Outsourcing the government



What is the foremost thing that we expect from government? It’s, undoubtedly, security. In exchange of security, we surrender a portion of our freedom and our income. For instance, we subject ourselves to frisking, before boarding a plane.

The collective will of a democratic society is codified as laws. To enforce those laws, the government gets a monopoly over violence. For instance, if you beat up someone, it’s a violation of law. If the police cane a violent crowd, it’s enforcement of law. When collective will and laws are not in agreement, conflict emerge.

In recent times, the government is outsourcing itself – by design, default and complicity.

In the state of Chhatisgarh, the government has armed a large tribal population to fight Naxalite extremists. The Supreme Court of India has slammed this.

That’s outsourcing of government by design.

In the states of Bihar and UP, there are local gangsters who collect tax, settle disputes and administer justice. In many cases, local people are happy about such Robin Hoods, who also dabble in politics of the legal kind. The state is helpless. That’s outsourcing by default.

In Karnataka, you have recently seen a group of a few dozen hooligans, calling themselves the army of Lord Ram, codifying and enforcing laws as they please. Girls and boys, if seen romancing, will be married by force instantly, according to the latest dictum by the group. (See an interview with the group’s leader Pramod Muthalik here). The government of Karnataka is a happy spectator to all this. A senior police officer in charge of the area even defended the locus standi of the group to intervene in matters suspected to be of religious conversion. That’s outsourcing by complicity.

What do you expect our governments to do?

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  • Anusha

    What do you expect our governments to do?

    The above mentioned trend indicates more outsourcing is on the way.

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    varghese k george Reply:

    do you think it’s for the better?

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  • Tushar

    Well, I would venture out to say that ours is illusive democracy. There is very little deciding power in the hands of the people except vote once in 5 years. If we look at it, all we can do it Vote or litigate. Majority of the decisions that affect a significant portion of the population are taken without taking them into the conversation. We all talk about participation of the masses but there is no codified law that deals with active participation of the people. If there is, why isn’t it called out like the RTI. Most of the participation (like people’s meeting to raise objections) is an eye wash to have the feel good factor. The other alternative is litigation. Which personally is a double edged sword. It doesn’t reflect nicely on the administration if people are forced to litigate on every gubernatorial decision that affects them. On the other hand, it might start becoming an attractive option to litigate instead of following community based principles of democracy.

    Add to that, the fact that most of the administration, at least on paper, is low on cash always. You just cannot expect the government to do almost everything. The real success of the rule of law is in being to able to implement it in letter and spirit. And that can be done, when there is no perennial fear of lack of funds. (Read corruption and syphoning off of money). With Cash strapped, understaffed and almost negligible desire to serve, there is little we can expect out of them. We are naturally corrupt people. No doubt about it.

    The incident in Mangalore Pub, as discussions with my editorial friends in respected publications go, are an eye wash, designed to create a newer celebrity in Karnataka. With polls fast coming up, there is a need to polarize votes. If we really meant to teach them a lesson, we could have totally ignored it in the media and let law take its own course. And keep tabs on the course of law to make sure that they are punished. I am still wondering how cameras reach before the police and how none of the police was ‘red-circled’ during the operation if they were there at all. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that all of this is a co-ordinated operation to keep the media happy with news and start preparing for polls. No wonder the leader gets sound bytes from countless channels and all the coverage for all his actions. Media has tons of tape to waste on this. Sorry, there is a minority that has seen through this and there are parallels across the country that just cannot be ignored.

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    varghese k george Reply:

    the media, of course, are the least accountable and i admit it.
    but here the question is slightly different. shouldn’t the state enforce the law of the land? it did not bother to, in Karnataka and Maharashtra (where different versions of Thackerayism hold the country to ransom), and it cannot in Chattisgarh, Bihar, UP, etc.

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    Shreyas Desai Reply:

    In fact, there was very good article in express one year ago about privatization of the government.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/what-bengal-does-today…/242826/0
    You have brought the same point. Thing is, every state government is sleeping on the administrative and police reform.
    Police officers don’t see direct co-relation between their work and reward. Rewards in India are linked with Political patronage, greasing the elbows by currency or buttering, and favors from seniors.

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  • Anusha

    Muthalik said that they in search some drug mafia, some sex mafia. What rubbish! Is it the duty of politians to search mafias or is it the duty of police, CBI and other authorized departments which have been put up for such purposes?

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    varghese k george Reply:

    precisely the point…

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  • Mann

    well, I don’t expect anything from the government but you have definitely made a point.

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    varghese k george Reply:

    thank’s for that one…

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    D K JAIN Reply:

    I FEEL THAT WE AS A SOCIETY , ARE COMING UP ONLY TO EXPRESS OUR ANGUISH OVER THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY . WHEN IT COMES TO DELIVER , TO IMPLEMENT, WE ALL FALL SHORT AS WE FEAR TO SACRIFICE, OUR LIFE FOR THE CAUSE OF THE SOCIETY. THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US,THE ENLIGHTENED AND THE IGNORANT. UNTIL WE ARE READY TO SACRIFICE, OUR PLEASURES, CAREERS ETC. THERE IS LITTLE HOPE OF ANY CHANGE.

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  • http://www.gonewiththewindies.blogspot.com Som

    As long as we don’t find something that suits us better than democracy, I’m afraid we would have to make do with it. Or whatever is dished out in the name of democracy. I don’t expect democracy to be the panacea, the magic pill that would kill all my ills. But what worries me is the fact that the three instances cited here were actually quite avoidable with a little action from the state.

    ‘Salwa Judum’ was a fatal concept right at the start. Equipping civilians with arms and unleashing them to tame the Naxals was a doomed idea which clearly boomeranged. The masterminds behind the master-blunder clearly didn’t have time to think about its consequences. Besides, Chhattisgarh, a veritable political backwater, didn’t influence national politics like a Bihar or UP. So we were only happy allowing it rot and simmer.

    Regarding the parallel administration in Bihar and UP, I’m afraid it is not going to vanish anytime soon. My impression is all parties there are bafflingly convinced about the necessity of such a system! Common people, at the most, can only vote the incumbent out of power but can’t ensure those who occupy the seat next abandon the practice.

    Meanwhile in Karnataka, it’s really a baffling to see Muthalik’s goons roaming around with impunity. The state government reacted in a way as if fate of Yeddyurappa’s throne hinges on Shri Ram Sena’s support.

    By the way, what we expect from the governments? Slumber, pardon my cynicism.

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  • Amit

    Well, this is like putting something on blog which is known to everybody. Offer some solutions instead of pointing out what is obvious.

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    varghese Reply:

    Dear Amit,
    i wish i knew the solutions..in any case, my attempt is not to offer solutions. journalism is about informing, and making sense of the information. thanks for the feedback..
    regards
    Varghese

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  • Vincent Van Ross

    Varghese,
    In Chattisgarh, the government is clearly shirking its resposibility and the Supreme Court did the right thing by intervening. Otherwise, it would have set a bad precedent for the whole country. This kind of action gains sanctity after sometime if it is allowed to continue.
    In Bihar and UP, the governments are subjecting people to double taxation by letting the goons collect tax. I think the governments should be dismissed and the government tax should be waived.
    In Karnataka, the senior police official who issued that statment needs to be converted into a secular citizen. There is no case of forced conversion in Karnataka as far as I know.

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  • http://sumitnangia.blogspot.com/ Sumit Nangia

    Well, the problem needs a solution and what people are doing is just talking. There need to be a huge turnaround of the so called system. Take our country to be a company which comes out with results on 28 Feb and we, the people, the investors. With a competent system, structure & staff, the need of the hour is ” Accountability” (which is actually the only difference between our political system and an efficient organisation). The day our politicians realize that they have held positions to serve the country, failing which they will be taken to task, till then i don’t believe there will be any change at all.
    .. We all are in Q .. waiting for something to happen by itself.

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    varghese Reply:

    Hi Sumit,
    Don’t you think politicians are taken to task more frequently and more easily than those in all other sections? as it is going to happen now, during the elections?

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  • Ankit Bahri

    Let me take out a bit of my frustration here. Everytime during elections there are celebrities,campaigns,advertisements pleading us to go and vote. “Every vote matters!”, “You are sleeping if you dont vote”, “you have the power” and many more. The situation in the country is that whom do u vote for? The party in power is rogue, party in opposition is rogue, politicians are criminals. Whom to vote for then? should we vote to replace a bad party with a worse one or vice versa? Is there any choice? Its a matter of choosing the lesser of the two evils! So why vote? recently a mail was floated regarding 49-0 wherein u go to the polling booth and vote for nobody if you believe that no party is worthy of your vote. I would love to see more awareness,celebrities,campaigning,advertisements etc informing people of what choices they have before they vote.But will such a thing happen? I dont think so. The politicians are too influential to let anything of that kind to happen.

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  • Rajeev G

    Makes a lot of sense and I agree. Pakistan has done everything to destabilize our Nation and Economy. Cowardly acts of terrosim has been Pakistan’s trademark for a long time now, be it Kashmir or the 26/11 attack, killing unarmed innocents and instead of taking the blame, being regretfull, the politicians came up with a staunch reubuttal that Kasab is not a Pakisani but an “Indian” because of the “Saffron Thread” he wore on his wrist. What ludicrous rationale they can resort to, to save face!!

    Sorry, but for the above and various other reasons, I too find the US atacks on Pakistan satisfying, probably a lesson on “Karma” for those who are oblivious of it’s meaning.

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  • Rahim

    How about those **** cricketers who are in jail..any comment on them…they are pakistanis, arent they……you pakistanis are world’s best ignorant race living in la la land…you easily ignore the deeds of your country, your own poor people, your own slums, your own corruption, your crimes against the minorities, your khairat brigade, your begging bowl, your stubborn but weak army……and the globally recognized state-sponsored terrorism…. you guys have the guts to think that whole world is conspiring against your pathetic country…….You are a failed state with failed people….and that for your fake ego….

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  • Sameetabilgrami

    you are right.
    I would also like to add that if we go to war with Pakistan (as the author implies) we will actually be playing in the hands of China and the USA. That is what both countries want i.e. Inda-Pak war so that the progress and rise of India is halted due to war. That is why they blatantly support Pakistan even though they know very well that it is the one funding terrorism

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  • Nemesis

    I like your honesty and truthfulness when I read your topic heading. Like all Indians, mostly hindu, you also felt happy and satisfied over the death of 24 innocent soldiers, who were NOT at all in a war. You need classes for HUMANITY.

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    Arnab Mitra Reply:

    Your reference to my religion is a reflection of your thought process, not mine. The 166 people who died in 26/11, the securitymen who died in the attack on the Indian Parliament… the list is endless. As peace loviing as you, or the next person, I’ve come around to the logic that bullies/tormentors don’t learn their lessons unless there’s retribution. Hopefully, the Pakistani elite will learn that being at the receiving end of bullets is not a very pleasant feeling.

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  • Sameetabilgrami

    at least we are not killers. also at least we do not kill by proxy war. If the need arises we will attack from the front

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  • Bokhari

    Its true Indian ideology towards its neighbours. Actually hindu leaders are responsible for 1947 division before writing the article you have to study the history my dear.

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  • Amitabh Maheshwari

    Yes, he was right, and I am proud of that. Pakistan is getting what it deserves.

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  • Amitabh Maheshwari

    Huh ! Do you think they will feel otherwise anyway ?

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  • Amitabh Maheshwari

    India is the largest and the strongest country in South Asia and has every right to impose its will. Pakistan should do the introspection about why it is considered as a problem by the whole world.

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    King Reply:

    Ha ? Pakistan has every right to take counter measures to stop indian hegemony ,you have admitted india seeks to impose its will, that makes india an evil imperialist country
    indian media is also sick, like fox news
    Pakistan is only a problem for America due to small afghan issue
    whilst India – pak issue is to do with kashmir occupation by india

    america has disputes with everyone, and india has disputes with all its neighbours
    who are you to say pakistan is a problem

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    Muhammad Tayyab Reply:

    Let me remind you india can be the largest and it is but not the strongest country of south Asia. With this type of thinking you can make yourself happy only. Isn’t it shit that by you so called strong country is afraid of a country which is ten time smaller than it not ten time weaker?

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  • Amitabh Maheshwari

    You are absolutely right. Yours is the only sensible comment that I see here. I hope more and more people from Pakistan realize this.

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  • Vikas

    Ziyo mere dost…dil khush kar diya…..I thought you are writing my thougths:)…history shows when Pak is strong and stable…it creats havoc for India….when it is weak and unstable…it is less troublesome….let Pak break…this whole theory of India being nuked is also farce….

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  • vk

    Who said truth tastes good. It is bitter but truth.

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  • KrishnaGopal

    You find the NATO attack on Pakistan satisfying because you are a Hindu who finds the existence of Pakistan unbearable and given the humiliation dished out to India by Pakistan in the 1948 war when Pakistan captured 80,000 Sq Km of Kashmir and in 1965 beat India to a stalemate, That and the fact that Pakistan killed and raped 3 million Hindus in Bangladesh, Hindu woman were raped on the sides of roads by Pakistanis and the fact that India is incapable militarily of doing nothing against Pakistan when terrorists strike India.

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    Arnab Mitra Reply:

    Huh! That’s what I call a BVR missile … beyond visual range missile… you’ve left me completely befuddled, my friend.

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  • shyam sunder

    every word u written is right. as for i feel it is not de US govt but it is the public opinion in US which is the guiding factor for US actions in this case .Now US masses has gone totally against their govt giving any relaxation to Pak because now their lives are affected I feel this will bring sum sort of changes in Pakistan’s capabilties (not intentions) to get away with terrorrist actoins

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  • Dalit

    Chaddi Alas Mitra, for him death of 23 people is nothing but pleasure, I donot see any difference between him and Kasab. At least Kasab is a 8th pass and can be punished.

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  • Sajad Khan

    Kashmir belongs to kashmiris not Pakistan and not India we are we

    ll aware India Israel (USA) are our enemies. Yes Pakistan Afghanistan and Iran must form a federation and support each other to oppose evil insiped empire of India and Israel(USA). Proof India supports MQM and PPP these so called political parties are criminal gangs payed for by India and Uk USA to weaken Muslim nations by their criminal activities.

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  • sid

    i love your threat of china…i suppose i won’t be wrong if i say that the biggest
    threat for us is within,when we look at china,they really are super power and the nation on the move,we are brainiest people on earth,master craftsmen…sorry to say,all the high-tech i-tech is being manufactured in china of the highest standard..for example look at apple..etc and to come to terms with china’s iconic status we too have some icons that world can acknowledge…. china bank building in shanghai,guanzhou tv tower,bird’s nest and so on…and we have/had..indira gandhi,rajiv randhi,sonia gandhi,rahul gandhi,priyanka gandhi,vadhra’s and some small insignificant demi-icons….so cheer up,we will catch up with them one day…have faith in your million god and goddesses and some demi-gods(mentioned above) plus some guru’s…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    well, I’m prepred to do soemthing rather than be cynical and resign myself to the Chinese as a super power.

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  • Natasha Jehangir

    Rhetoric being posted as original thought….not very original….points for being well written though.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is a throughly fraudulent, criminal entity. Absolutely nothing has changed in the criminal state which continues to train, arm terrorists against India and continues to protect 26/11 terrorists, IA Hijack terrorists and all others. its in India and world’s interests that Pakistan is contained, held accountable, isolated, marginalized and ostracized until it changes its policies or ceases top exist as Pakistan today.

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    Arnab Mitra Reply:

    Way to go… if only every Indian thought like you…

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  • nusrat khan

    this article captures the sentiment of the average indian vis-a-vis pakistan quiet accurately, thank you.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan ’s juvenile obsession with Kashmir resulted in it becoming an arrmy ruled state, that committed genocide against its own citizens and losing 1/2 the country. Any state, with intelligence little more than a criminal moron, would have figured out that a state based on hateful bigotry of jinnah cannot sustain itself. Even today as it loses control over Baluchistan and Waziristans are ruled by militant groups , its criminal , corrupt and thug army/isi has not changed its ways and moron Pakistanis obviously continue to support the criminal entity.

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  • Kshama

    Excellent Article and totally true!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Kalm/100001696983976 Ray Kalm

    Screw off India. Even after us giving you most favoured nation, you keep laughing at us.

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    Arnab Mitra Reply:

    Believe me, we’re not laughing…. when terrorists indoctrinated, trained, armed, employed, paid and exported by Pakistan are attacking our nation and killing Indian citizens, laughter is the last thing on our minds. Still, every Indian PM, from Nehru to Manmohan Singh, has extended a hand of friendship… only to have it rebuffed. Why? Because peace with India will rob the military-feudal elite of Pakistan with the raison d’etre, the one reason, for their dominance of that country’s political and economic commanding heights.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What you say is anathor lie from the crminal entity of Pakistan. India gave Pakistan MFN status in 1996, hoping unilateral good gestures will invite positive reactions from Pakistan. What followed was indian airlines hijacking, Parliament attack, Kargil, 26/11 terrorist attack and numerous otrher terrorist attacks carried out by the terrorist wing of pak army/isi called LeT.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan has yet not given india MFN status but only declared an intent, which has no value and is anathor fraudulent move by Pakistan to win even more concessions without ever really removing trade barriers against India. i repeat, pakistan has not given MFN status to India yet and there is no time frame known by which that will be given.

    Its callous, clueless Indian leaders who countenance engagement with such a copngenitally criminal entity whose foundations are based on a vile ideology.

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  • Sadhana

    Well said. Gandhi called a spade a spade but it never made any difference in the face of British officialdom’s unconditional support of Muslim league. This might be the first time since the Anglo-pakmuslim collaboration began in the 1840s anglosikh wars that the two allies are officially at military odds.

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  • Anonymous

    India should never forget , that at partition while Indian government and leaders tried best to promote communal harmony, stop riots the criminal Pakistan muslim league and Jinnah went on a genocide unprecedented in human history. The result while only 10-15% of Indian muslims left India , 90% of hindus and sikhs were killed or evicted from West Pakistan. Thats just a undeniable fact about the genocidal and criminal nature of Pakistan. Today, 150 million Muslims make india home, while Hindus and sikhs have been literally eliminated ( from 25% of population to 1% ) from Pakistan. The state promotes religious bigotry and is based on a criminal interpretaion of a medieval ideology of intolerance imported from outside. Thats why Pakistan is a criminal entity and a failed state and India is foolish to engage it. India should have minimal contact, isolate it and not engage this criminal entity in any way or shape or form. Any engagement will result in ghetting defrauded.

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    Arnab Mitra Reply:

    Any blog on Pakistan can become a forum for a debate on the communal question, but getting even for the alleged wrongs of Partition wasn’t the point of this article. My pleasure at seeing the US give Pakistan a bloody nose is motivated purely by the atavistic feelings of seeing a completely unrepentent neighbourhood bully get his comeuppance. Millions of Indians from all communities — Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain and Jew who make up the great Indian nation, which is both salad bowl and melting pot — feel the same way. My personal appeal to all readers: Please don’t communalise India’s defence against the undeclared war being waged by the rulers (as distinct from the people) of Pakistan. We will lose our moral authority to claim the high ground the day that happens. BUT, I KNOW: THAT DAY WILL NEVER COME.

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  • stranger…

    hahahahaa.. this man dunt knw anything.. so no need of giving importance to it :P
    he is just telling one side storyy .. saying like indians are sooo inocent.. they eat from ear :P kidss >… further i will not comment on this type of one sided storyy ..

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  • Ramnarayan

    The article is an absolute fact, now I know most of Pakistani conservatives will say “You Indians blaw blaw blaw”. The fact of the matter is average people of Pakistan suffer because of the non-sensical approach the Pakistan government has opted for during the past 60 years. In order to build a nation a country needs to allocate its resources smartly. Take a look at Pakistan’s GDP and then take a look at its expenditure on arms. I mean to say what for are they building this arms dump yard. Has India ever attacked them: No But they have continued to do so mostly to maintain their ego and neglected their people. So what happens when you do this, people are uneducated, neglected,easy target of terrorism. Look 20-30 years from now , if you change now you may have a great country, if you choose otherwise the country may not exist.So to the avg peeople of Pakistan” Open your eyes for the sake of next generation, Live in Peace , and let the world live in peace.

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  • aamir

    Mr. Mitra, I can see to an extent where you are coming from “the spoilt Pakistan most times getting away with different kinds of things”. What you have brushed aside quickly is the main villain of the sub-continent was the crook Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru architect of the Kashmir disaster, knowing that his stand on that matter was criminal but decided to show the world how low an animal a Kashmiri pandit could be With Kashmir not an issue, the sub-continent woud be different and you might be savoring healthier past times

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  • Shanky_raina

    the article is very very well written.i agree war is not an option and we dont have capability for covert action. but india can do “*** for tat” to pakistan. what pakistan is doing to india, we have to do to them.

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  • Gulam70

    Thank you for the truth and waking-up Indian politicians. I hope people look at this article not from biased perspective but the facts it contained.

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  • Sangeetkumarjain

    You seem terribly misinformed. I donot blame it on you. It is because you have been made to think like that by your governments.

    This ininforamtion is proved by your only single point – Who invaded Siachin?

    God bless you.

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    King Reply:

    1989 Siachin War was started by Greedy India, which the bully of south Asia
    you are misinformed by your extremists right wing RSS media

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  • Harshran

    India is the laughing stock of the world, All this hype of being a “Superpower” makes me as an Indian Hindu cringe because we can could not keep India united and our congress party and Nehru in their rush to rule sacrificed India at the alter of partition for the creation of Pakistan.

    As Indians and Hindus we can never forget that Muslims ruled India for 1000 years and that Pakistan occupied Kashmir which it captured in 1948 and defended in 1965 and that it killed millions of Bengali Hindus.

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  • Chingaar

    I can understand the harsh reactions of many Indians towards pakistan and feel that they are not without some justification. It has attacked India four times – 1947, ‘65, ‘71 and ‘99. And defeated every time by India. It has launched blatant terror attacks, through its home grown terrorists, on India’s citizenry. The fact of the matter is, that pakistan is founded on the abhorrent ideology of communalism and is an historical mistake. It is a client state of US interests and subservient to the royal retards of saudi arabia who are the biggest pimps of the USA. This latter nexus has funded the jihadi retards, seeking to recreate the 7th century, which proliferate in pakistan under the wing of the deep state and undertake assymetric warfare in India. Pakistan is an ugly story. It is founded on the abhorrent ideology of communalism and is an historical mistake. It has no valid basis to exist and in desperation to maintain their power and pelf its miltary led establishment uses the opium brand called islam to control its people. Now islam is gushing out of all the orifices of its people. Should this cauldron of terrorism launch another incident against India , then India must blocade its port of karachi and gwadar and salami slice it under the cold start doctrine. The pimp state of pakistan is a curse on itself and the region.

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  • Jayantyad

    I think Hilary Clinton was right, “Pak cannot keep snakes in their backyard and expect them to only bite your neighbours “

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  • Ramesh

    They wept with joy when Mumbai was attacked . Remember I would have sympathy if civilains were killed by external forces. USA killed only **** soldiers. But Pakistan’s army, ISI and jihadists have killed innocent civilains ion several countries, without consideration of territorial integrity and soverignity. I will only tell Kiyani, Pasha, Zaedari, Gilani and Rehman Malik – GIVE ME EVIDENCE AND I WILL TAKE ACTION. If you have evidence give me.

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    Pashtoon Reply:

    A very good try by blind Indian. Dont forget how many normal people US killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ramesh you should go to eye and mental doctor to check your health. Lol

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    King Reply:

    India the fascist animals who dont let american journalist go to kashmir should provide evidence ???

    all india did was provide leads, not evidence beyond reasonable doubt

    indians celebrated destruction of babri masjid and bombing in Pakistan,particulary the attack on Sri Lanka cricket team and Mariot hotel bombing

    Pakistani People and Army are united,and jihadist have nothing to do with Army.
    several countries ? indian are full of lies and phobia when it comes to pakistan

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  • http://www.facebook.com/BasitHabib Basit Habib

    Once world is free of such RACIST people there will be no HATRED, and when there will be no HATRED, there will be no TERRORIST. Biggest of all is state TERRORIST USA who caused death of millions of MUSLIMS around the WORLD in past one DECADE alone.

    A RACIST thinker will never UNDERSTAND this… !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Basit, most terrorists , Like LeT of Pak army/isi are inspired by a hateful criminal ideology that claims their religion/cult is the best and only religion while other religions are false. Unless that criminal ideology based on religion is isolated and contained, terrorists from LeT will find inspiration.

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  • engrich

    ur comments and observation shows that u are communal narrow minded and a stupid bengali.

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  • Salim Dar

    NATO will find out for themselves next time they repeat this. They are losing in Afghanistan. Their supplies have been stopped through Pakistan. It won’t be long before their trucks have no fuel and no food for their soldiers, and weapons which won’t work anymore. Let’s see how long a hungry army with no working weapons will last?

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  • raj

    India is a big country with small people… an american politician
    Indians = slumdogs

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  • AjmalKassab

    well i guess Pakistan deserved this as much as India Deserved Bombay attack. I can see why low life like you would feel joy in death of 24 people, did you enjoy the deaths in Bombay attack as well, alot of Pakistani’s found that emmensely satisfying as well…

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  • Sunil

    Only solution is to destroy Pakistan and Islam then there will be peace. No use calling Islam a religion, it’s not a religion but an arab ideology created by uncivilised people.

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  • Venkat

    Agree. The impotent rage ringing out from those words are very similar to those of the Indian government whenever there is an attack on our country from accross the border. “Don’t test our patience”, “Dismantle terror camps in PoK”, “Give us Dawood back”,…it goes on endlessly. How many times have we heard these over and over again? Impotence is the other word for the successive Indian governments. We will not have much international credibility unless we are able to stand on our own and deliver.

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  • Venkat

    Feeling is mutual, sorry to say.

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  • AMERICAN HERO

    THE WRITER IS VERY RIGHT ARTICLE IS WELL WRITTEN
    PAKISTAN IS VERY AMBITIOUS WITH INDIA PAKISTANI MILITARY AND SO CALLED PAK LEADER WANTS TO FIGHT WITH INDIA WELL THE ACTULY
    THE PROBLEM IS PAKISTAN WANTS TO GO BACK TO INDIA MERGE
    AND INDIA DOES NOT WANT PAK BACK IN INDIAN UNION

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  • dw

    Somebody say india is cleaner than pakistan? Shut it u plums. why is that prick amitabh hapy that pakistant getting what it deserves? why does it deserve that? you pricks even reading news? why bring the **** cricketers in this? indians take bribe as well yh, just that they lucky enough to get away. Musharaf nay india ki maa ko day di teh cause you guys were hyping. india – pak war, pak hit india preety bad init? thats why you guys still feel the chill up yours.

    when there is war there are no rules to how you fight, or is there? so why hype over pak guys took indians ‘from the back’. you ppz only have one reason and only one to respond to a loss of a war of indians.

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  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile , whats so important about 24-28 Pak soldiers killed by US raid ? After all Pak army supports and protects criminal terrorist groups like LeT, jEm that have killed 1000s of civilians.
    More importantly, was it not the criminal, callous, coward Pak army that refused to accept for burial, 100s of its soldiers who were killed in Kargil ?

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  • Rajesh Kumar

    Good post. Totally agree with this thinking.

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  • Anonymous

    What do you mean by typical Hindu mentality ? What would you say if someone said the vile, criminal conduct of Pakistan and your defense of the vile , criminality of pakistan army/isi ‘represents the typical ‘ islam mentality’

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  • Shahzeb_18

    Narrow minded indians

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    RajX Reply:

    This righteousness from an arabized Pakistani who sent fanatical killers like kasab to kill nonmuslims. Have you exhindu converts lost your conscience? Has the Arab cult done that to you?

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  • #1_Indian

    It is not surprising that HT allows such parochial, narrow-minded, prejudiced, biased and communal writers access to their blog site. Such people are full of vengeance and hatred for mankind. They do not deserve any access to media because the sow the seeds of vengeance and lust for power. They should be banished and provided a writing table in a jail. Why does HT promote hatred? Why is HT so much anti-Muslim? Such kind of journalism continues to astound me. HT has become a galvanizing point for people who hate and despise. They are the bane of the world and HT’s role is most reprehensible. HT is providing a forum to such people and I call it an unconscionable journalism.

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  • Red X

    Anyone who even thinks of Pakistan as a failed state, is a fool my indian ENEMY.
    No failed state can survive more than 10 years, let alone 61. And indians tend to forget their own doings in Kasmir, Assam and their eastern parts. And dear, India not only has problems with Pakistan but with Bangladesh, SriLanka , China . So any idiot would tell u that problem lies not in Pakistan but in India. And yes, we are sworn enemies. it is our dream and aim to break India into million parts like it broke our Mother Land. So dont cry when the tides of time change.

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    RajX Reply:

    Pakis can only have wet dreams. Pitiable and pathetic arabized society.

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  • Utsavsinha

    This article is designed to polarise view and spread hatred. The writer is a simple minded moron and a hate monger. Anyone who derives pleasure in mindless bloodbath only prooves his inhuman nature and shud be outrightly condemned as a blood thirsty scumbag. As an Indian I feel ashamed and offended by his stupid comments.

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    macaby Reply:

    and you are an ISI scumbag!!

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    What a pathetic article by a cowardly Indian.
    I too was glad when Kashmiri Freedom Fighters brought mumbai to a standstill for 3 days. Still they only killed 200 people, but the blood of 2000 unmarked Kashmiri graves it to be avenged
    Whole world knows India is trying to Israel of the region

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  • Anonymous

    The writer makes his/her point of view quite clear based on his/her perceptions.This much is obvious in the arguments provided to find “glee’ in Pakistans current predicament.

    From a narrow very nationalistic Indian point of view,Pakistan being “smacked” by US and unable to resond in “kind” is a payback for Indian frustrations,or the inability of their goverment to respond to Pakistani’s ‘acts’ in India.

    There will be many in India with the same glee and the writer just maybe representing those.

    The trouble with this view is that it misses the bigger picture of working with Pakistan to stabilise the region. By humiliating Pakistan,it will become harder to get it’s help to find a political solution in afghanistan and beyond.

    The counter view that Pakistan is just a bogey man for Indians to let their steam off is also strengthened with the writers mindset.

    The affects of foreign meddling in the region will be felt for decades and no regional goverment can taka a glee from it.

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  • Anonymous

    only thug criminal peddl;ers of the criminal entity of pakistan will talk about engaging pakistan, the same entity that protects Daood Ibrahim, trains kasav and thousands others terrorists to come into India and kill hundreds. But why just India, the criminal, coward pak army killed millions of its own citizens in East Pakistan and continues to do so in Baluchistan, even as its reduced to 1/2.

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    he made a great point, Indians like to pretend they are victims when in reality it is they who are the nazis and go around attacking other countries through tamil tigers or consulates in afghanistan.

    Terror attacks in india are domestic issues, they are homegrown nothing to do with pakistan. where was your blue navy during mumbai attacks ? 26/11 was an inside job with the aim to kill all the senior mumbai police officers who were investigating hindu extremists

    brownie points ? is that how Indian logic works quote from bollywood and clap your hands

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2YD3ACPTZUGGUZ5H7WCWYAPNLA Ranjit

    Pakistan ,indeed a rogue state, needs some surgical operations to convert into a democratic set-up: but though the people of Pakistan bleed internally,it is surprising that they never try to be friendly with INDIA accept Wasim Akram in the world of cricket and that day even Imran Khan, the would be Pakistani President was arising the “K” issue in the same manner that his fathers and fore-fathers r to contemplate!
    I will give it straight : Let India support strategically Israel in breaking down the fanatic state because India , does not have the will power to blow the enemy!! So long Pakistan exists, India too,would be bleeding. No Indian political parties would disturb their “VOTE BANK” Muslim communities even knowing that many of them r pro- Pakistani and they would be opposing India’s anti-Pakistani stand.

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    1971 was political problem exploited by India. India would still have lost the war where it not for Soviet Union
    Pakistan destroyed the Soviet Union anyway
    Pakistan couldnt also taken advantage during Operation Blue Star in punjab, or Sri Lanka Civil war, but Pakistan is not a country with designs on South Asia
    Kargil was a victory for Pakistan, and you have to remmeber LOC was only agreed in 2005 before that it was common for troops to take peaks and land

    India needs to accept, Pakistan will never submit to India ,no matter how hard india tries india brahmin elite need to come to term with existence of pakistan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    King,

    “” Pakistan destroyed the Soviet Union anyway”"
    “” Kargil was a victory for Pakistan “”

    Keep dreaming and please dont wake up otherwise you will
    see the truth and probably die of heart attack.

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  • Anonymous

    There is a point of view that more you isolate and humiliate pakistan for its criminal, callous thuggish ways, the more infuriated its criminal army/isi become and sinks deeper into the cesspool of criminality on which the state is based, thus hastening its end. Why would enyone want to prolong a festering wound in S Asia called pakistan ? Adter its dissolution, there may be 3-4 states in its place, like Baluchistan, Sindh, Pak-punjab and then they can negotiate among themselves how to share the waters of river indus and how pak punjab can be given access to the sea. India should just ignore , isolate and disengage from tgis criminal entity and not help it in any shape or form.

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  • #1_Indian

    If the world seems in turmoil, full of hate, revenge and spite it is the writers like this being access to Media. HT is doing disservice to world community by allowing such narrow-minded, prejudiced and anti-Muslims writers access to a platform. They spew their venom based on very shallow and biased interpretation of History and by deliberately twisting facts. HT has become a galvanizing point for sordid characters who spread spite in the world.

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    macaby Reply:

    Kindly explain what is ANTI-MUSLIM about this article?

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  • Anonymous

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    The bottomline:
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    Pakistan state is itself based on the iodeology of religious bigotry, hate and criminality as spewed by its criminal founder Jinnah. The pakistan constitution itself promotes and protects that ideology.
    While Nehru-Gandhi faught for tolerance , secularism and unity, the criminal jinnah promoted communalism.
    Thats why only 15% muslims left India while 90-95% Hindu skihs were killed or expelled by jinnah’s criminal pakistan.
    There is no point ignoring facts and history. Hitlers Germany and his hateful ideology was not dismantled by making excuses for it as many criminal pakistanis are doing here. Make no mistake, Pakistan is a greater criminal than hitkers Germany. Thankfully the world is gradually realizing it.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/muhammad.ilyas.pk Muhammad Ilyas

    Pakistan always think for global peace and harmony because every Muslim believes and taught of this. What India and Indians do for global peace. I remember the court verdict on Babri Masjid where it is clearly mentioned who were behind that. Does Indian government took any action? The same sectarian group also threaten IPL sponsors for Pakistan cricketers.
    Relating to your allegations; buddy do you personally know what proofs/documents shared with Pakistan on Mumbai incident. The shared evidences were bullshit.
    ISI has gathered hundreds of thousands proof and also jailed many of RAW agents in Pakistan.
    I will recall; Indian RAW agents operated an operation against PCB and attack Sri Lankan team in Punjab.
    This is Pakistan only who still wants to sit together to resolve the conflicts and the major will always remain Kashmir.

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    RajX Reply:

    “Pakistan will always think of global peace”. HAHAHAHA

    Don’t you have any shame at all saying things things that everyone knows is a lie? Of course you have no shame. After all you are from the Islamist cesspool which is temporarily called Pakistan and soon to be called the worlds largest toxic nuclear dump.

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    vick hard Reply:

    Pakistan cannot govern itself properly with the land it has now and begging for aid from US and IMF. Why it wants Kashmir?

    Pakistan is a nation in peril if it cannot control its terrorists and grow economically.

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  • http://twitter.com/speed_racer777 vick hard

    I want US next to invade and occupy Pakistan and deactivate all nuclear missiles before it gets into the hands of terrorists. There are terrorists within ISI and Pakistan military. ISI and Pakistan army have recruited Taliban and Al Queda specifically for creating trouble in India. This is a well documented fact and confirmed by CIA and FBI

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  • Majeed_1256

    Every time I hear there is a bomb blast somewhere in Pakistan, I take up a glass of wine in cheers. With NATO and Drones and Karachi target killings, I might be drunk all the time in the comming days.

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  • Muhammad Tayyab

    Whenever we confronted with America, India started chest beating (America and Pakistan will fight and then we will get our goal) don’t have guts to do itself but what would be the value of India when U.S will go after packing all its stuff as defeated by a small group of Muslim fighters? Now india is dying to take place of America after it but when they will face same attacks by Muslim fighters then it must be crying again “Pakistan is exporting terrorism” Let me remind you all indian kids, to protect your motherland and to fight for your home can never be terrorism what Muslim fighters (TALEBAANS) are doing in Afghanistan.

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  • Dharmendra

    I am really proud that there is some one in media who has balls to write what every indians from all walk of life feels and belive, its time to chage our foriegn policy specially towards pakistan( did not write pakistan with capital P as i do have rispect for this nation). Since independence we have tried to be frienf with this nation and see the result we have, one should know that one can can clap with one hand, it takes two to make a sound. Time to be brutally enemy and lets say in fase of our neighbour , no playing games as what will happen that this nation will will enemy of us well it is all our enemy and our politician should know that giving other cheek policy is not working and time has come to show our enemy side as pakistan has seen for decades our friendly side, and our politician should stop playing religious politics. I know many will diagree but do i care as i am not here to win friend or popularity contest.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is threat, China is threat, Nepal is threat and even heard U.S. is threat, threat…threat..threat sound like Bollywood new theme song.Stop braying like donkey”s act like shers{lions}.Build the country, keep your eyes open, carry a big stick and offer no jokes.Indian politicians are jokers with loaded deck, clean your deck and vote for strong patriot Indians.

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  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that the standard of reporting among the media in our country is very poor compared to western countries. Many articles contains one sided reporting, there are numerous spelling and grammar mistakes even in our national news papers. But one aspect we seem to excel in is negativity and exaggeration. Articles are published with controversial titles to attract readers and stories are exaggerated to create controversy. Such tactics are in poor taste because individuals form their opinion on what they hear on the television, read on the newspaper etc so the media should be more ethical. Therefore, the media in both countries should highlight things we have in common and not fan paranoia. Personally, I hope Indian and Pakistan government can work together and build economic ties, which can benefit both countries. Lastly, I reside in a western county and I have witnessed people from both communities getting along with each other really well. They want things to improve in their respective country so they are not reminded by the western people that they come from a developing nation. They want the standard of living to improve and increase in employment opportunities so they won’t have to leave their homeland for a better life elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that the standard of reporting among the media in our country is very poor compared to western countries. Many articles contains one sided reporting, there are numerous spelling and grammar mistakes even in our national news papers. But one aspect we seem to excel in is negativity and exaggeration. Articles are published with controversial titles to attract readers and stories are exaggerated to create controversy. Such tactics are in poor taste because individuals form their opinion on what they hear on the television, read on the newspaper etc so the media should be more ethical. Therefore, the media in both countries should highlight things we have in common and not fan paranoia. Personally, I hope Indian and Pakistan government can work together and build economic ties, which can benefit both countries. Lastly, I reside in a western county and I have witnessed people from both communities getting along with each other really well. They want things to improve in their respective country so they are not reminded by the western people that they come from a developing nation. They want the standard of living to improve and increase in employment opportunities so they won’t have to leave their homeland for a better life elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    The writers personal bias ruins the article from being fair/balanced. The article justifies the killing of human beings, and the writer states such attacks satisfying. I am sorry to say, but killing of individuals are only satisfying to those who are blind with hatred, which the writer clearly displays in the article. I am a human being and I don’t care if an individual is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh etc. I have friends from different communities and we are friends because we have things we common and not because we happen to belong to the same faith, caste, region etc. Anyway, I hate political debates about India/Pakistan because it’s pointless. The solution requires sacrifice from both sides but it’s unlikely to happen. It will be wiser if the current young educated generation takes a different approach to this problem from the past generations. An approach which seeks to resolve the problem in a diplomatic way, not through proxy war.

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    Deep Reply:

    nasif, although I am not in agreement with everything in the article, it is very clear if you read objectively that the author is not celebrating the death of the Pak soldiers, but is merely expressing his satisfaction at the humiliation of Pakistan at the hands of the US. While the details and the consequences of the incident have been very sad for the individuals who have been killed, it is also true that Pakistani authority’s response to it is IMPOTENT rage and nothing more. Your comment seems lucid, and you seem well endowed in words, so why not try to read the article objectively first and then comment. I offer my condelences to the dead, and feel that while this incident might have been accidental, Pakistan’s terrorism supporting policies and flawed decision making is a reason is in very bad taste, not only for India and the rest of the World, but also for its own people who are just getting caught in the fire. I agree with Arnab that this is a manifestation of Pakistan’s obsession and use of terrorism as state policy and if this continues, they will be ruined by their own actions. Seeing Pakistani authorities, and how they behave, they will always blame outsiders, neighbours and the rest of the world as their enemies hellbent on destabilizing the so called sovereign nation, to take the focus away from their own mistakes. I would be happy for Pakistanis if they shed their obsession with India and try to better their own people’s lives, but if they continue like what they are doing now, I would be ecstatic to see their demise from the world stage. Nothing against the Pakistanis who are trying to make it better for themselves and trying to be good fathers, mothers, teachers, soldiers defending their nation or just a common man with dreams. May we all find peace, even when we don’t declare it loudly just for the listening pleasure of the Pakistani authorities. So, you misunderstood the intentions of the author and the article, but I hope you find reasonability in the article now.

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  • Anonymous

    Not a single individual has contradicted the facts of the criminal nature of the pak state, its army and isi, with any rational facts or arguments. The rest is all bs. Unless Pakistan is appraised based on facts fo what it is, how can someone resolve a strategy to counter act the menance that the pak state, army, isi and the ideology it propogates engenders.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ali-Larter/100001970700213 Ali Larter

    Pakistan a country made up of lazy youth who believe in reading pointless religious theology in some god forsaken religious school.
    The Pakistani youth could not use its time in making itself useful like its neighbors India and China–whose GDP’s are close to double digits due to their youth who have successfully educated themselves in technical education making their countries IT and manufacturing hubs.The fate of a country depends upon its youth and not upon the military or the government–if the people of Pakistan choose to be lazy uneducated and unemployed,misinterpret religion to incite violence and promote polygamy,progressively push the country into the stone age so be it.

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  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile, once you stop equating Islam with criminal Pak entity, you will stop seeing criticism of Pakistan’s policies, its army/ISI and the multitude of crimes it has committed against humanity in last 60 years, as criticism of Islam. No one has defamed islam all over the world than Pakistan, by calling itself an Islamic state.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jabli-Izvesti/100003096480500 Jabli Izvesti

    This particulat attack on the Pakistani soldiers could very well be the result of a real mistake.American military is not as competent as it is touted to be.They make plenty of mistakes like any other military.

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  • associatedtaxis

    dont you just hate smarmy ugly black baboon face indians when they try to ape western writers and their do-good finger pointing. indians and they kauthiliyan snake like traits. it is india and its hegemonistic designs, its india that stole kashmir, india that started terrorism through mukhti bahini in bangladesh that split pakistan in two, in rann of kutch, in baluchistan, india stole siachen, in water issues in countless other issues always formenting truble. the sun DOES NOT SHINE OUT OF INDIAS ARSE,. Blame everything on pakistan but most of indias neighbours hate india as a big bully. pakistan will not bow down to indian bullying

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  • Anonymous

    Not only your colleague was agahast at your inhuman happines,but any human of any country with normal sensitivity should also be aghast at it.There is a kind of rabidity in the anti-Pakistan views of Indian scribes and the so-called intellectuals.There is a total failure of understanding of the interests of our country as well as of Pakistan.Even America should not be happy with the violation of Pakistan sovereignty.if the action was erroneous,NATO(virtually America) should punish the guilty and compensate the affected families for the loss of life and damage of property to Pakistan.If it was a deliberate action.
    America has lost one of its staunch supporters and may soon start paying for this loss,if China-backed Pakistan really does whai it has stated.
    We have a govt the policies and actions of which encourage terrorism and grow it in India.Terrorism and communalism which Sonia flaunts as secularism is the basis of Congress’s hold on power.The day congress is routed,and that day is not far off, Indo-Pak relations will normalize.Similarly our relations with China will improve.It will be sheer impudence to quarrel with China when the US is afraid of it.America knows as the rest of the world does that china is as powerful,if not more powerful than America.America is making just customary noises about its sole super power staus to use countries like India,against China.And if not thrown out of power soon,congress may involve India in anti-india deals as it did in the nucluer deal.
    .China has another big advantage;She has not made enemies as America has done.Fair weather friends of America may desert her in a crisis.

    Terrorism is no longer Pakistan’s cup of tea.Our relations can quickly improve,if Chidambrams and Anthonies are booted out So,let’s stop cribbing against Pakistan and focus on the ousting of UPA for bringing trillions of dollars of black-money and scam money.That will boost the growth of our economy and consequent growth of strength in the world.China didn’t have to prove her strength by attacking other countries.But she hasn’t ever hesitated to challenge America wherever her national interests were involved.When we have honest and dedicated leaders at the helm of affairs,we will quickly adopt wise and country-centered policies and actions.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    The distinction between taliban and Pakistan army has been blurring with time. Pakistan army has been trained to fight for “Islam” and not Pakistan which makes them little different from jehadi terrorists. An incident like this was waiting to happen.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    I guess Mullah Zaeef is right after all: “Pakistan … is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.”

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    The only credit Pakistan can claim for its 64 years of existence is the manufacturing and export of high grade terrorism…. they desrve every bit of what they are getting.

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  • A proud Indian Muslim!!!

    India is the biggest anti muslim nation on earth,, it should be destroyed.
    I am an Indian muslim waiting for that day and for the killings of thousands of muslims in gujrat,Kashmir and in communal riots all over India, for the destruction of the Babri masjid.I promise that day will come shortly and India will disintegrate,,
    A proud indian muslim!!!mwaiting for india’s destruction. we will destroy India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You want India to be destroyed so that you can remove Indian from
    your name and call yourself only — A proud Muslim.
    Is that right ?

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  • Jagan

    Pakistan has always been a rouge and a pain. But one need not be happy just because USA has done what India should have done when it was attacked and humilated.
    India did not have the guts and there is no point in rejoicing.In the background of India’s repeated failure to stand up to a bully. Rejoicing now is a very cheap senttiment

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  • Alisandhu

    I thought maybe the next generation of Pakistani and Indian would be more tolerant of each other, but listening to all of you is very discouraging.

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  • Nehru

    Pakistan needs to stop all forms of terrorism both within their own country and exporting terrorism to its neighbours. They need to disarm its self of guns and bombs from public and civilian domain. Only obdient arm forces should be armed for its defence but if they shoot at its neibours then they can expect to be shot at.

    Americans in Afghanistan has every right to defend itself, and world knows that Pakistan is harbouring terrorism within its army as well. Sooner the American goes in to Pakistan and disarm the better the chance of world living in peace thereafter.

    GOD SAVE AMERICANS TO DO THE JOB – & BRING HEAVEN ON EARTH.

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  • Pertinentobserver

    Superb blog. Great job:)

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  • anil

    Pakistan is out of place in the fast changing 21st century world as it continues to clings to an obsolete worldview. Only pakistanis who had the opportunity to get out of pakistan & stay outside pakistan for some years are able to view things with a bit more objectivity !. Even in Britain Pakistanis display the strongest tendency to create “Mini-pakistans” whereever they go ! . Pakistan is a Cancerous Tumour which is disintegrating & spreading the cancerous cells far & wide within the body of humanity. It needs a CHEMO-THERAPY urgently.

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  • Anonymous

    Dasg,

    Dont you know that destroying temples, Gurdwaras is peaceful act.
    Isnt it Mr. Muhammad Ilyas ?

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  • Raja

    khan sahab…aap jaise log kam hai udhar. ofcourse, koi kisi ki maut pe khushi nahi mana raha idhar. agli baar mein bhi mumbai mein ho sakta hoon, asli sawal wo hai.

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  • Rabblerouser666

    Right, and that’s helpful.

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  • KS

    Super-duper like. Pakistan not only as state but as society is rogue. Constant irritant causing headache for entire world.this part of world is doomed.It should be balkanized and exploited by Americans as well as local ‘Vadheras’/hoors etc. which will crop up in such anarchic state.They must pay for their evil designs.

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  • Arnab Mitra

    Peace will reign if only the Pakistani govt stops exporting terror, dismantles the terror infrastructure in that country and books those wanted for murder/terrorist attacks in India. You’ll find India and Indians taking 10 steps to normalise relations for every step Pakistan takes. But I don’t see any attempt on Islamabad’s part to move in that direction. You’re right” peace is impossible with such a mentality.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Arnab Mitra, has raised specific points and the blog is based on facts and not fiction. Other than mumbo-jumbo about peace, I have not seen a single cogent criticism about what specifically is not right in the points he has raised. For too long, the mainstream media, has sought to overlook the incorrigibly venal and duplicitous nature of the pak entity. Even the so called MFN status to India, 16 years after India gave it to Pakistan, is just a media farce and a typical pakistani fraud and lie. There has been no action by Pak to reciprocate that and Mr Geelani, has gone back on his word to say no final decision has been taken.
    You have to be a moron to not see that pak army/isi and the state is at the core of every criminal enterprise and terrorist groups that operate against India from army/isi thug ruled state of pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

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    What has 60 years of efforts to foster friendship with Pakistan given us ??
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    From Gandhi-Nehru, through Shashtri-Indira, Desai-Vajpayee to Manmohan what has India’s policy to foster friendship with Pakistan given us ? It has given us 4 wars, all launched by Pakistan . It has given us extermination of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan and genocide of Bengali Hindus in East Pakistan. It has given us a state that has trained, financed the worst criminals to hijack our planes, attack Parliament, attack temples, provide shelter to Daood and launch 26/11 attack.

    No you may not need to hate Pakistan but loving genocidal criminals from commuinal Jinnah-Iqbal to Yahya-Tikka Khan of the 3 million genocide of Bangladesh, to butcher Zia-UlHaq to the Kargil criminal Musharraf to the originators of 26./11 Kayani-Pasha , there is nothing to love in the bigoted Pakistani state.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mr Arnab Mitra,
    I have a request.
    Mr Joginder Nath Mondal of WB in 1940-ties, played a crucial role in the division of India , as he and 4 other legislators provided crucial support to Jinnah’s Muslim League to form government in undivided Bengal and then in division of India. Mr Mondal gave up everything in India and migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Here is his letter of resignation from Jinnah-Liaqat Pakistan government 3 years later in Oct 1950, when he fled to Calcutta India to save his life.
    Please read it in full as its an insiders account of the chartacter and nature of the Pak state.
    Link provided below.

    http://www.mayerdak.com/root/jnmandal.htm

    (numerous other links to can be found for this historic resignation letter )
    This letter in my opinion must be compulsary reading for anyone studying Indian history for the events surrounding 1947.

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  • WiseAmericanGuest

    Arnab Mitra can talk all the smack that he wants about Pakistan. I’ll be the first to admit that Pakistan has problems, and that it has committed wrongs. But despite Pakistan being a failed state, it is in a much better geopolitical position than both Afghanistan and the United States.

    Afghanistan is being held together because of a 10-year NATO occupation. Once that ends, then who knows how it will end up. It is not hard to imagine the Taliban taking over again, with our without help from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. It is much more disunited and corrupt than Pakistan, and I would not be surprised if it plunges back into civil war.

    The US is on its way out. Actions like the NATO strike are not new, only in the past they have attacked militants and innocent civilians. It only has a few years left in the region. I live in the US, and I know how much the public wants the war to end. The US has created a bigger debacle than Iraq in Afghanistan, and it cannot control the future of Afghanistan once it leaves without support in the region.

    That leaves India. As Arnab himself indicated, India is reluctant to go hostile against Pakistan. It can try to seek to make a base in Afghanistan, but does India really want to make friends with the same Afghanis that it accuses Pakistan of sending to Kashmir as jihadists. Despite Afghanistan vs. Pakistan tensions, I doubt the people of Afghanistan, particularly the Islamists, would want to cozy up with India.

    This is because Islamists all over the world are furious at India’s occupation of Kashmir. Mitra really wants Pakistan to destabilize and break up. He should realize to not make such statements in the heat of the moment, and realize what the actual score is in the game.

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  • Zeenat232003

    posts like these really don’t help in any way. they aggravate the animosity between the countries. why can’t people be a little more careful with their words? I’m sorry to say, but this blog post has served no purpose at all except that it is full of hate speech.

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  • Anonymous

    Is the weakening or disentegration of W Pakistan in Indian interests ?
    Do we have state sponsored terrorism from East Pakistan anymore ? No. Infact, Bangladesh has now banned religious parties from parliamentary elections and the state is not engaged in arming, training and protecting jihadi terrorists. If W Pakistan disintegrates into Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtoonistan and Punjab, in all likelihood, Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtoonistan will be non-terrorist-sponsor states. Yes Pakistan Punjab will remain a criminal thug entity engaged in terrorism. But it will be much weaker and engaged in fights with other ex-units of Pakistan. It would be interestinmg to watch punjab and sindh negotiate distribution of indus waters and punjab’s access to the sea. So Indian should either totally ignore and isolate w pakistan or provide moral and diplomatic support to the units and people that want to get out of the pak punjabi army criminal ideology and rule.

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  • Anonymous

    In Pakistan, the entire state is based on false-hood. They teach utter false-hoods and have deleted Hindus and Sikhs from there history and have adopted the murderers of their own ancestors as their heroes. In India the state is secular. The students are taught Mughal history with equal fervour to other periods of Indian history. Akbar is praised and eulogized , while the communal killer and thug Aurangzeb is critically appraised. In Pakistan, Aurangzeb is the hero ! Mahmud of Ghazni, Mahmud of Ghori , Timur-e-langra – all bandits and thugs , who are not even from Pakistan, have been adopted as their ancestors. So no amount of rationality or talk of peace is going to change the ground reality of a state born out of communal bigotry and ideology of Jinnah and now occupied by his rightful heirs – the taleban, LeT , Pak army/ISI.

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  • Anonymous

    US-based Kashmiri separatist Ghulam Nabi Fai pleads guilty to charges of spying for ISI

    WASHINGTON: US-based Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, accused of being an ISI agent and trying to influence American policy on Kashmir has pleaded guilty on federal charges of spying for the Pakistani spy agency.

    Fai also acknowledged receiving money from the Pakistani spy agency through clandestine routes and causing revenue losses.

    Pleading before the US Eastern District Court of Virginia on Wednesday, Fai pleaded guilty and agreed to the charges of federal prosecutors that he received at least $3.5 million from ISI between 1990 to 2011. This resulted in a revenue loss of between $200,000 to 400,000 to the US government.

    His sentencing is scheduled for March 9. Fai agreed before the court that he was in direct contact with the ISI officials including the head of its security directorate.

    He conceded receiving talking points from ISI regarding what to say and write. He agreed that he received directions from ISI with regard to which specific individuals to invite for KAC conferences.

    Fai, 62, has consented to forfeit all four bank accounts in his name or in the name of KAC totalling about $140,000. He also agreed before the court that he had send to the ISI annual budget of the KAC for approval.

    He continues to be under house arrest till the time of his sentencing. Fai was arrested on spying charges on July 19 and then put under house arrest.

    A resident of Fairfax Virginia, an affluent suburb of Washington DC, Fai was head of the Kashmiri American Council (KAC) and claimed to lobby on behalf of the people of Kashmir.

    Federal prosecutors, in their submission before the court, have charged him with working for the ISI and accepting millions of dollars from the spy agency.

    He is accused of funnelling $4 million ISI money into the US to influence country’s Kashmir policy.

    His handlers in Pakistan allegedly funnelled millions through the Kashmir Centre to contribute to US elected officials, fund high-profile conferences and pay for other efforts that promoted the Kashmiri cause to decision-makers in Washington, US attorney Neil MacBride had said in July.

    “Mr Fai is accused of a decades-long scheme with one purpose to hide Pakistan’s involvement behind his efforts to influence the US government’s position on Kashmir,” MacBride had said.

    The affidavit alleged that although the KAC held itself out to be a Kashmiri organisation run by Kashmiris and financed by Americans, it was one of three “Kashmir Centers” that are actually run by elements of the Pakistani government, including ISI. The two other Kashmir Centers are in London and Brussels.

    The FBI had arrested Fai for allegedly collaborating with ISI by “clandestinely” funnelling hundreds and thousands of dollars to change the view of American lawmakers on Kashmir.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-based-Kashmiri-separatist-Ghulam-Nabi-Fai-pleads-guilty-to-charges-of-spying-for-ISI/articleshow/11023279.cms

    ( Some of the money paid by ISI made it into the pockets of Indian journalists , who take a soft, pro-pak position in Indian media )

    Question is how many people has government of India successfully prosecuted for receiving funds from ISI to conduct terrorism inside India ? The case against jihadi Saeed Geelani went no where and he has been freely doing pro-pak propoganda for last 30 years in India.

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  • Anonymous

    Arnab Mitra,
    I think you will not survive in HT for very long. This paper is controlled by fake-liberal-secular extremists.

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