Liberal Muslim is an insulting label



I despise the term ‘Liberal Muslim’, although sometimes I use it for the sake of convenience. It is invariably used in a patronizing way and it perpetuates, what I call, the “zoo effect”.

Just as a child marvels at the sight of caged animals, attention is sought to be drawn to certain Muslims perceived as “liberal”.

The term is applied to Muslim individuals who may be seen to be behaving in a certain way, especially if that behaviour undercuts the Muslim stereotype.

For instance, a Muslim who drinks is looked upon as a liberal Muslim, although he may not have the foggiest idea of what liberalism as a political concept constitutes.

His liberalism may just be about the love of the smell of good wine. It’s so much like the common practice of mistaking a nattily dressed person as the modern man.

There is a tremendous mixing up of labels insofar as our understanding of various shades of thought, as applied to Muslims, is concerned.

My maternal grandfather, a medical doctor who mostly worked in British-owned tea plantations in Assam, was looked upon as a modernist and a liberal, mostly because of his lifestyle.

His shoes had to be so well polished that he could see his face in it. He ate a light supper and had a long English overcoat he invariably wore in winters.

Being a doctor, he used to deride plantation labourers for thinking small pox was caused by a curse. He also had a swagger and people’s notion of an English-speaking, well-dressed middle-aged doctor was that of a liberal Muslim.

He was a ‘believing’ Muslim but an unconventional one. He once slapped the cleric of the local mosque for stepping into his home without knocking or pressing the doorbell.

As the learned imam, he ought to have cared about the household’s women, who were startled by the sudden intrusion, albeit by the friendly neighbourhood imam.

This act of enforcing etiquette on a religious figurehead was instantly construed as a liberal act, even though grandpa’s views about John Locke’s life and liberty weren’t exactly known.

Nowadays, the term liberal is applied to Muslims who are apparently unIslamic or not overly religious, although Islamic values can be ‘liberal’ in their own way.

I have always maintained that, whether in the media, university classrooms or public discussions, there’s a lot of confusion about what Islam is and what it isn’t.

The peculiarities of Islam – as viewed from the prism of modernity – was accentuated by the events of 9/11, a cut-off date that permanently changed Islam in the eyes of millions.

Normatively speaking, certain Islamic values are germane to modern political liberalism as an ideology. The concept of ‘ummah’, for example, is primarily that of solidarity among Muslims, and by extension, equality among men, regardless of their social class, race or colour.

Islam endorsed women’s education, their right to property and their right to work. (The Prophet was an employee of his wife. So, there was a Muslim woman as a boss 1,400 years ago).

However, Islam also ordained limits for women, which, judged by modern notions of freedoms, obviously appear anachronistic.

True, Islam isn’t readily compatible with modernity or its features, such as markets, capitalism, liberalism and individual freedoms. No religion is.

Yet, there is a case for, and possibility of, reconciling Islam with these postmodern political frameworks, as some scholars have already argued.

Of late, there is this tendency to view Indian Sunni Muslims, who follow the Deobandi school of thought, as extremists and radicals. This is ridiculous.

Sufis particularly are thought to be peace-loving, while others aren’t. Such a claim was made by the right-wing BJP’s spokesperson Meenakshi Lekhi on television recently.

The BJP’s Subramanian Swamy, who is a bigot, in my view, has even talked of exploiting this division. What are these, if not nefarious designs?

For instance, Barelvi Muslims, who follow a 19th century movement founded by Ahmed Riza Khan Barelvi of Barreilly, are perceived to be harmonious, as opposed to Deobandis, as Lekhi stated.

Any belief system can be taken to a radical extreme. The Governor of Pakistan’s Punjab province Salman Taseer was actually murdered by a follower of the Barelvi sect for committing “blasphemy”.

The differences between Deobandis and Barelvis are about the right way of worshiping. However, Barelvis are increasingly trying to convert this into political differences, while the conservative Deobandi theological establishment has always sought to ridicule Barelvis.

I see no problem with such differences as long as they don’t border on bigotry or violate the law or become violent. In fact, when Muslims quarrel in this way (and I use the term quarrel in a liberal way) they are only being characteristically Muslim.

Debate is an inherent part of Islam. For example, the Prophet would say that his followers would never agree on a wrong thing.

Yet, the big picture is more important and it is this.

Islam in India remains a uniquely successful model of Muslims managing to largely reconcile their faith with some expressly modern concepts by subjecting themselves to a Constitution that is modern and liberal.

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  • Mohammed Mubashir

    you hit the nail on the head!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    he should have hit a nail in the head of Abdul Karim Tunda instead

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  • vijay !

    Zia my Pal. take of your blinkers for one day at least.

    What will you call people who behead Sikhs, butcher Ahemadis, forcefully convert and kidnap Hindu girls and bury their men? What will you call people who murder Shias, shoot Christians and torture artists, writers and thinkers

    Not liberals by any count.

    There is a fight going on the world. They are some jahils who believe that mankind originated only after the 7th century and by reading one book alone, we have the power of deciding the fate of all others.

    These are the ABdul Karim Tundas, the Hafees Saeeds and the Kasabs. People who sympathise with such scum cannot be called liberals in any way.

    Very few Muslims dare to come out in the open to support the rights ot the Ahemadis. Very few speak out against the hafees saeeds.

    Very few speak out against he brutal regressive Islamic laws which treat the woman as a Caged animal in the burqa. The Tundas and the hafees saeeds keep teenage multiple wives and proclaim that Islam mandates that.

    The few who oppose them are truely liberal. So we should be proud of the term the liberal Muslim.

    At last we are able to locate the liberal Muslim.

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  • Sumit Bose

    After reading through the hadiths and each and every Surah ,
    I would divide “Muslim liberals” into three categories. The first, and by far the largest category, consists of liars, opportunists and taqiyya; people who want to infiltrate our societies rather than reform Islam. The second category consists of people who may be well-meaning but simply don’t understand the issues involved. They are people, who have terrible knowledge or access to the brutal innards of not only the life of the Prophet himself, leave alone, the history of the conquest and the spread of Islam; or , they are ready to invert the bare facts to provide cover to this brutal cult. The third and smallest category consists of people who are knowledgeable and genuinely desire reform.The German-Syrian scholar Bassam Tibi could be placed here. I find some of his work interesting, but even he is incoherent and unconvincing in presenting the case for how a moderate Islam should look like or live like.

    Muslims during the early Mecca phase invited people to accept Islam. When some of them refused to do so, Muslims took upon themselves the right to start killing people and force them to accept Islam. Look all around the world, right from Morocco till Malaysia, this leit-motiff is yet consistent and persistent.
    There is absoloutely no difference between the Jihadis from Philippines,
    or Thailand or Pakistan, or Palestine, or Egypt, or Iraq, or Syria, or Chechnia,or Dagestan etc etc .
    All Muslims have to concur that the definition of “freedom” is identical with sharia, and that those who abuse their freedom by not living according to sharia should face armed Jihad until they do. It’s for their own good because the shariah is God-given!!!!

    What good is it to grant any person the label of “liberal muslim”
    when moderate Islam supports slavery ( there are several suras and Hadiths that state that the prophet himself was a slave trader and abused slaves), stoning people to death for adultery, whipping those who enjoy a glass of wine or beer and massacring those who disagree, or beheading for converting from Islam to any other religion?

    One question really arises about this “ghatiya Taqqiyaa” and his blurb that his “need to know” transformed into his “need to tell” and all that he is farting is at the best “ardh satya” and at its usual , just outright deception. Islam is just what Islamic societies have been doing, are doing and by the looks of it will continue to do, only a hardcore shameless person would spin any apologies for it.

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    Firoz Reply:

    Get your facts right. With people like you who have no knowledge on how Islam came into being are the ones who spread rumours. Go, learn, enlighten yourself with the facts and not something that you made up while shitting in the morning.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    The deletion of my post is the “political correctness” that is being abused by the Islamists, to keep under wraps their devious motives of imposing shariah all over the world.
    Firoz,, your barking is noted, but you have not had the wherewithal to find any inaccuracies in my post. All that you stated is a spiteful angry bark. Not surprising, one cannot expect more from you cutlets.

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  • Waltair

    Like any text, the message is a matter of perception. There is slowly developing a modern universal school of thought of what constitutes civilised behaviour and society is moving to this new set of rules. Most religious texts were written a long time ago to maintain order in a completely different society and which are in part not relevant today. These texts are now being used as a political weapon to subjugate society. Secularism is not a religion, it is tolerance. The most dangerous social criminals in the world today are those that condemn secularism. I may not like a particular religion but respect your right to practice it peacefully. No one should push their religion down anyone else’s throat.

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    Navaz Reply:

    Thumbs up for Waltair !!! Absolutely true!!! GREAT!!! BRILLIANTLY SAID!!! This message shall be focused into each and every extremist Indian mind.

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  • Bhupendra Singhal

    My dear Mr Zia Haq,

    Islam is a religion most misunderstood by Muslims only. Non-mMuslims, in general, have no business to understand their religion but rather judge them by their actions as is the case with every religion. So please don’t blame others for (mis)understanding Islam.

    As you mentioned in your article that “The concept of ‘ummah’, for example, is primarily that of solidarity among Muslims, and by extension, equality among [Muslim] men, regardless of their social class, race or colour.” This is where the problem lies. If you talk of solidarity among Muslims, which pan beyond the national boundaries (which practically is the case), is in direct conflict with nationalistic sentiments, and causes conflict with other parts of the society/ religions in a nation. Fundamental problem is that a Muslim’s solidarity lies not with fellow non-Muslim citizens but with unfriendly Muslim foreigners. This conflict causes massive bitterness especially when neighbourly foreign Muslim countries are enemies! It is in this context that non-muslims look up to in anticipation and brand some muslims as ‘liberal’ rightly or wrongly!

    For all practical purposes, I and everybody should accept that there will always be differences among religions/sects and we all do and should continue to respect that while working towards narrowing them.

    All the names you mentioned like Subramanian Swamy in your article, react to this problem. He is not a bigot but a thoughtful intelligent man though I may not agree with his views always. I will urge Muslims to do some introspection as to why is it that their status has become more precarious than other religions in the rest of non-Muslim world.

    Please remember this bitterness is caused by a vicious cycle of reactions between muslims and non-muslims

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  • tasneem

    Why are you assuming that Muslims who drink are not liberal..and in your words “The concept of ‘ummah’, for example, is primarily that of solidarity among Muslims, and by extension, equality among men, regardless of their social class, race or colour”..where do non muslims fit in

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    Zia Haq Reply:

    I Generally tend to stay away from joining issues. But two things: 1) Not at all assuming that Muslims who drink are not liberal…They can be both… depends on what books they read, which institution they went to…so and so forth. 2) Where do non-Muslims fit in?? Normative Islam didn’t explicitly promote multi-faith. I am not in the business of making Islam look what it isn’t. Islamic history will tell you about the wars fought by the Prophet with non-Muslims. Yet, the Quran itself in at least two instances I can recall now ordains Muslims to tell non-Muslims “Unto you is your faith and unto me is mine”. The Ahadith are full of instances of the Prophet’s basic behaviour with non-Muslims, where he endorsed their basic rights, fairness in dealing, etc. That’s normative Islam. Ummah doesn’t extend to non-Muslims per se, if that’s what you wanted to know. Islam in today’s context obviously has to be about living in a multi-faith, multi-religious society, which the Quran sanctions (for ex the verse that says God created men into different communities). Accepting a multi-faith, multi religious society isn’t just a Muslim problem. Muslims in Denmark are struggling to build what will be the only mosque in entire country. In that sense, there is no difference between Denmark and Saudi Arabia. One doesn’t allow mosques, the other doesn’t allow churches. ;)

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Zia Mian, there are legions of Taqqiyyas all around in the Islamic world and there is a very good reason,They have a very huge and important task to do. The complete turnaround of the fortunes of the Popat, from rags in Mecca (with around 70 followers) to riches in Medina, not by by honest trade or labour but by caravan raiding, hostage taking for ransom and selling slaves (captured in raids of the infidel villages).

    Likewise, the “revelations” to the Popat changed with his “successes”.

    A sampling below:

    Meccan Early Verses
    2:256There is no compulsion in religion.
    Medinan Later verses
    9:123Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers
    and let them find harshness in you.

    Meccan Early Verses
    73:10Be patient with what they say, and part from them
    courteously.
    Medinan Later verses
    8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the
    unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.

    Meccan Early Verses
    109:6 To you be your religion, and to me my religion”
    Medinan Later verses
    3:85 Who so desires another religion than Islam, it shall
    not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.”

    Meccan Early Verses
    20:103 Therefore be patient with what they say, and
    celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord,
    Medinan Later verses
    2:191 kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out
    from wherever they drove you out

    Meccan Early Verses
    2:83 Speak good to men…
    Medinan Later verses
    9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever you find them

    Meccan Early Verses
    50:45 We well know what the infidels say: but you are not to compel them.
    Medinan later Verses
    9:14 Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers.

    The list can go on and on.
    Now Mr Zia Mian, but this is a very large topic. In short, you who has made it your (supposed) mission to “tell” is spinning outright lies about this “most exalted human ever” and the God given “terror manual”..
    You right totally off the mark when you equate Denmark with Saudi Arabia.The first mosque in Denmark was built in 1967 and there are several more all over. But putting your lies on your face is of no use, you will come back again and again with even more lies.
    But is so doing you are being a very good Taqqiyaa and can lay stake to your 72 vir_gins, 80,000 slaves, endless wines, but as a human being are a ghatiya from the gutters, whose secular education is a total waste

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  • Debasish

    Since you claim that Islam values can be liberal in their own ways, why don’t you argue for a uniform civil code based on humanity and liberal values and equal rights for ALL irrespective of religion, caste, creed or gender. I guess you must be aware that in India, a woman has been given equal rights to property as long as she is NOT a Muslim. Wouldn’t you like to change that?

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    abhi Reply:

    Hi Debashish, I think Zia will agree with you as long as that common code is sharia compliant which is very liberal as per his own claims.

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  • Fazal

    Vey factually correct article

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  • Maurya

    There is no such thing as a fundamentalist Muslim or a liberal Muslim- there is only a Muslim- said, Zakir Naik!!!According to Zakir Naik,only one type of muslims that is HIS type- and we all know what type he is…. Mr Zia Haq here argues the same thing, old wine, in a new bottle…..wine is haram or not is irrelevant here !
    Now Zia, if you care to answer I have a question-
    What do you call the Muslims like Hafiz Zaeed Ji, Osamaji and Kasab Jee? Can they be called Fundamentalist Muslims?- Surely they are muslims , (since they believe in no god but Allah and prophet Mohammad is his last messenger?)..So if they are fundamentalist muslims, there must be liberal Muslims too? What do you call a muslim who does NOT support the actions of fundamentalist muslims? Surely they can be called moderate or liberal muslims? But truth is as I suspect, you too believe all other people who does not agree with the REAL muslims (aka hafiz Zaeed ji) are Munafiques :) Don’t you? Accept it man. We all know your real color by now- did not you once claim Popular Front of India (Kerala Taliban) is a left leaning organisation(classic taqeeya)? Did not you claim that Burqa protects women?

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  • Navaz

    Reading comments of extremists make me laugh. All your views would be contradictory if you were born with opposite family names. so its nothing but personal fury against each others religion. But why? is the main questions. Religion is a code of conduct in whatever way, but it is always misinterpret by counterparts and sometime leads to crime. All we need is to calibrate our self learning humanity and not religion. So instead of evaluating statistics and history better we concentrate on present and future for better outcome of next generation. BE GOOD HUMAN not good Hindu or Muslim is my humble request.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    The accident of birth should never strip one from the human values of respect and peaceful co-existence.
    Hindus have been co-existing peacefully, according full rights to all adherents of all other faiths.
    Over a millennium and half of Islamic rule, all over the world, bears witness to the profound intolerance and barbarity of Islamic rule and that merits no recounting. Intolerance of the muslims emanates from the verses in your terror manual.

    But, it is not just the 624 verses that exhort believers to commit violence to non-believers, but the terrible record of the life history of the most exalted human ever for one group that is instrumental for one group to be so convinced that perpetrating similar brutalities will ensure quick loot in this worlds and 72 vir gins in the next along with 80,000 slaves etc etc.
    How can members of a certain cult think straight when they get gems as this as Lord Almighty’s own command?
    4:76: “Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.”

    No wonder people all over the world are plain sick of the same cult members who have been so very successful in ridding their lands of all other belief systems, and then blame every one else for their own failings.

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    Sameera Reply:

    HINDUS HAVE CO EXITED PEACEFULLY!!!!! excuse me but what about the crimes and horrors done to Shudra and Dalits and low casts since hinduism came into existence……and it is still going on and on and on…..

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    The happy co-existence of the Parsi, Jews and Christians since 2 millennia is proof enough for the peaceful co-existence. The “crimes and horrors” of Shudras and Dalits are primarily economic in nature, not as a result of divine instructions with bountiful rewards in a debauched after-life in a unpaid “brothel”.
    Look all around the world, Islamic societies hold the perverse record of ridding multiculturalism as a fundamental cornerstone.

    Post partition of India, Muslims of Papistan has been successful in reducing Hindus to be statistically invisible, they do not even make 1% of the population today form 28.7% of the population. And the Bengali converts were also busy doing the same, from 43% in East Bengal, Hindus are down to 7%.

    In case if you are ignorant of history, this is the most comprehensive extirpation of humans since the dawn of mankind.
    Besides, you should have the honesty to look, why Muslims are a constant source of “crime and problems” in all countries of the world, once they are over 2% of the population.
    Sameera, if you have any sense of identity, you would look to find the reason, why you are “thinking” as a Pseudo-Arab and delve into your family’s authentic history to find out what was the brutal reason for your ancestor’s conversion into being a boot-!icker of the Arabs.
    One resource would be this book, “Islamic Jihad” by M A Khan.
    It is so well researched with straight translations from the chronicler’s records of the marauding scoundrels right from Muhamad of Ghazni right upto our great “freedom fighter” Tipu Sultan, to know first hand from their own records, what terrible bestiality they inflicted on us Indians in the name of that inhuman brutal cult named Islam.

  • max

    I have always maintained that, whether in the media, university classrooms or public
    discussions, there’s a lot of confusion about what Islam is and what it isn’t.

    —– confusions in/from/following the book of god, oh my god !!!!
    who is confused ? if written by god , why confusion in first place.
    – egypt wants to ban muslim brotherhood, what type of muslims are they.

    – according to book, god will judge the person, if he is good or bad,so, why do you waste time / trying to do here. (other than personal remarks on swamy ).

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  • max

    when Muslims quarrel in this way (and I use the term quarrel in a liberal way) they are only being characteristically Muslim.

    — tell that to shias killed in iraq & pakistan
    —- tell that to ahamadias killed by shia & sunnia

    —- tell that to kurds killed in iraq
    —- so killing is liberal or illeberal

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  • max

    when Muslims quarrel in this way (and I use the term quarrel in a liberal way) they are only being characteristically Muslim.

    — tell that to shias killed in iraq & pakistan
    —- tell that to ahamadias killed by shia & sunnia

    —- tell that to kurds killed in iraq
    —- so killing is liberal or illeberal

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  • max

    Debate is an inherent part of Islam

    —- but on its own terms & conditions. mostly ending with peices of opponent

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  • max

    Debate is an inherent part of Islam

    —- but on its own terms & conditions. mostly ending with peices of opponent

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  • TM

    Very well said and an important point made (for those who’ll understand). Ignore the haters bro! and remember if u don’t find many people encouraging or appreciating, it’s cause the haters will always be busier hating. The righteous tend to be lazier i guess, they ignore and pray :)

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    In your perverted world-view, any one who is able to show (from your own hallowed records) that your holy book is actually a “terror-manual” and your “most exalted ever” was no different from a ……, well you know what…… is a a “hater” !!!!!!

    How conveniently you have snatched even truth as a defense, from the kuffurs, hence, they have to be looted. tortured and beheaded.
    And you have the temerity to brand almost 6 billions of this planet as “haters”!
    No wonder your cult members are filled with so much hate, violence and are the scourge in almost all nations that you reside in, and are always disproportionately in almost all the developed and under-developed countries of the world.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    please add “convicted” after disproportionately. Thanks.

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  • donato bramante

    Managed to overcome the CENSORSHIP, can’t post a single opinion.However this is shan, Mai hoon shan
    Zia has perfected the art of obfuscation. This is Taquiya in full swing.
    UMMA MEANS CIRCUMCISED BLOKES WHO WILL NEVER EVER ENTER A MANDIR OR CHURCH TO PRAY, not the brotherhood malaki that zia would like us to beleive. It is true Liberal muslim is an oxymoron , if that muslim happens to beleive in SUBMISSION. But there are millions who are liberal , meaning LOVES HIS OWN FREEDOM AS WELL AS RESPECTS OTHERS FREEDOM, BUT MAY HAVE A MUSLIM NAME AND ENJOY THE ISLAMIC FESTIVALS. These liberals also put Allah before the political ideology called islam. As for Deobandi , just visit their website. One “ummah” asked the worthies through the website of his particular problem. He happened to visit a mandir just to accompany his friend. In the process he may have folded his hand in front of the idol and touched the railing of the mandir , and worse of all tucked in some delicious sweets offered to the idol. His question was WAS IT A GUNAAH. the answer from the DEOBANDIS was indeed it was a gunaah , and for penance HE SHOULD UTTER TOUBA 10000 times .
    Bigotry thy name is islam (with due acknowledgement to the bard)

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  • pankaj#1

    Zia;
    It looks like that you want your readership back and that is why you are writing such absurd articles. Islam and liberalism?? what non sense. I can discuss any aspect of this religion, with emphasis of it being the most toxic ideology in present woorld, and its followers chanting that not even a comma can be changed in it. Faithful taking each and every word of it as supreme truth?? what an irony.

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  • Vinodgupt

    Real Liberal Muslim is an oxymoron that does not exist. One who is liberal in the perceived sense is not really a Muslim in the real sense of the word. As Mahathir, former Prime Minister of Malayasia said there is no moderate or extremist Muslim — only a Muslim. Either one is a Muslim. One is not a Muslim.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    So by this definition, who is a muslim? Are Pakistanis Muslims? Are Talibans Muslims?? Is there any real Muslims, who follow each and every word of Quran???
    And if any one claiming to be a muslim, as most of the pakistanis do from roof top, then, they are not fit for present century as in this century and henceforth, humanrace will have to coexist, tolerate each other, respect each other and most important, not try to spread its ideology by hooks or crooks. At present, Pakistani muslims in general and Indian Muslims, where ever they are in majority, are intolerant persons and not fit for modern world.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    So by this definition, who is a muslim? Are Pakistanis Muslims? Are Talibans Muslims?? Is there any real Muslims, who follow each and every word of Quran???
    And if any one claiming to be a muslim, as most of the pakistanis do from roof top, then, they are not fit for present century as in this century and henceforth, humanrace will have to coexist, tolerate each other, respect each other and most important, not try to spread its ideology by hooks or crooks. At present, Pakistani muslims in general and Indian Muslims, where ever they are in majority, are intolerant persons and not fit for modern world.

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  • Zia ki maa ka yaar

    Now this Jihadi is showing his real colors. IB, RAW or NIA should arrest him under anti-terror laws because he sounds very suspicious. On giving third degree he will reveal ties to ISI.

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  • Anonymous

    To me, person like Salmaan Taseer with his western attire and habits was still feudal by nature (the way he treated women in his life) and not liberal. A person like Vastanvi who promoted computer education in madrassa, (even with traditional attire) are liberal. Unfortunately, people like Zia did not support him when Deobandis confronted him.

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  • murali manohar

    Guys the censorship of HT is preventing any comments favourable to Narendra Modi. Now BJP should take note , and particularly MODI himself.
    Blabeering Gujrat Gujrat all the the time will not lead him far. He needs to concentrate on UP , BIHAR MADHYA PRADESH , RAJASTHAN ORISSA , in short the **** states also known as BIMARU states. if he can pull it off there , he is the next PM. Also he should not get too much carried away by TWITTER AND FACEBOOK . 60 percent india is RURAL . Also PLEASE PLEASE keep RSS at arms length. BE YOUR MAN and not a puppet .
    Carefully avoid any talk s about secularism SAY I CAN ONLY TALK OF DEVOLOPEMENT, regards Shan

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  • abhi

    Liberal Muslim is an insulting label and also an oxymoron.

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