Muslim rage: how the Prophet handled insult



Muslims, from Libya to Hong Kong, have exploded again. The rage is against an anti-Islam film, made in the US, and cartoons in France.

In Benghazi, deadly riots had tragic consequences: death of four diplomats, including US Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens.

A 14-minute video was first posted on YouTube on July 1, but it went largely unnoticed until Arab TV stations picked it up. An Egyptian religious channel, al-Nas, broadcast some scenes on September 8. Some scenes were dubbed into Arabic, posted online and viewed by thousands.

These protests, like earlier ones, could be protracted. They could intensify hostility towards America, although, I believe, the US diplomats became a target because the film was made in America. It need not have been so.

US secretary of state Hillary Clinton condemned the film, calling it “disgusting, reprehensible” and rejecting its contents. I believe that Clinton genuinely condemned the video, and did not just mouth platitudes for the sake of preventing more attacks on Americans.

One may dispute US foreign policies, but America’s constitutional commitment to religious freedom is unquestionable. Muslims, as a minority, in America are safer than, say, Christians in Egypt. Religious tolerance is deeply linked to America’s most abiding idea: liberty. America’s founding fathers assumed religious freedom to be the “first liberty”. Therefore, America ought to make religious bigotry a serious punishable offence.

Incendiary films, literature and cartoons that poke Islam are not an expression of free speech. I consider them to be hate speech. Therefore, anybody who hates hate speech must protest. However, it is violence that we must all condemn.

Why is the Muslim world ‘provoked’ and why do Muslims react violently to denigration of Islam or insult to the Prophet?

Any representative portrayal of Prophet Mohammed is itself thought to violate Islamic tenets, let alone making fun of the Prophet. However, the problematic relationship between Muslims and the Western world, especially the US, may have more to do with the ferocity of such outbursts.

In the Muslim world, Islam has a deep resonance in people’s daily lives. In the West, Christianity has been subjected to an utterly private realm, since the separation of the Church and the state. Therefore, the West is sometimes incapable of judging Muslim sensitivities. Besides, there is a great deal of confusion over what Islam is and what it isn’t.

In any case, mainstream Western writers or artists do not indulge in producing work that crudely denigrates either Muslims or Islam, with the exception of Salman Rushdie. Much of the incendiary stuff comes from far-right Christian bigots, who like Muslim bigots, are no better. The Brevik shooting case and, recently, the shooting of US Sikhs are before us.

The anti-Islam film that triggered the current rage is itself the work of far-right religious groups. Evidence suggests three Christian groups were behind the film. The Southern Poverty Law Council, a prominent anti-White supremacy non-profit, has classified two of these as “hate groups”. Click here A third advocates the cause of Egyptian Christians, or Copts, who have faced worst recent violence from Muslims. See here

Muslims ought to look back at the life of the Prophet, who is the object of universal Muslim love. The Prophet routinely ignored the gravest of insults from his enemies.

Western countries, on the other hand, must shift from just condemning religious bigotry to criminalizing it, building on the UNHRC’s Resolution 16/18. That’s the way forward.

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  • Anonymous

    An apologist for Rahul gandhi..Had varun done the same thing Sujata would be giving totally different logic.

    Rahul Gandhi intentionally CHIDED people calling them beggars and incting hatrred for maharashtrians and punjabis.

    He did same in Bihar and was booed away by student when he brought up Gujarat..Listen to what a student said to him-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEodElHamrM

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  • http://twitter.com/SelfMadeScholar The Scholar

    nice

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    RAHUL SPEAKS FROM HIS UNDERSTANDING OF MASSES,,WHO ARE NO BETTER THAN BEGGARS. RAJ THAKREY SURVIVED BECAUSE OF CONGRESS ONLY.
    AS PER HIM ALL PERSONS WORKING IN OTHER STATES ARE BEGGARS.SEE THE TRAGEDY ,A PERSON WHO IS BEGGING SUPPORT CALLS ,GIVERS -BEGGARS.
    THE WHOLE CONGRESS JUSTIFIES THE STAND OF RAUL WINCI.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JRL42KKUAFYBZSO37F3KEBLEDM Shajan

    What Rahul Gandhi said is factually correct but politically incorrect.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So you mean to say that all migrants are Beggars..Truly a congressmen..devoid of any brain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You mean Amitabh Bachchan is a beggar.

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  • http://digitalblogindia.in/ Kunal

    Sunita…fyi the other “bhaiyaa” or whatever you want to call him was probably breaking the rules as well. First of all he lives in a slum is illegal, secondly he is being given a free house by he government on public property and in that also he is breaking the rules and renting out or selling those properties.

    Is it any surprise that these people are disliked ?

    And the first one was right…it’s because of the “bhaiyas” that there is no traffic sense in Mumbai today. Raj thackeray is not opposed to migrants coming and living legally but we do not want them coming and living in slums, breaking the rules and taking the jobs meant for other poor people.

    You are nothing but supporting a criminal there…you should be reporting him if he is doing deals on the slum redevelopment properties. Instead of that you are encouraging him saying that look how hardworking these people are….yes hardworking in breaking all the rules. Most journalists have now started demeaning the local population by subtly stating that look the migrants are hard working and you guys are lazy…if they are so hard working…ask them to break the rules in their own state and grow instead of flooding the other states.

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  • Jay Effkay

    LOL

    China is a despicable society

    To think theyre taking the high road and mocking is RIDICULOUS LOL

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  • Parmanu

    You love cricket. You just don’t know it. Go back and read all the reasons why you went to watch the game.

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    Kushal Reply:

    I am bored by cricket, Parmanu. I did go back and read all the reasons I went to watch the game and they had nothing to do with cricket.

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  • http://twitter.com/amishra77 Akhilesh Mishra

    Sorry if I sound presumptuous in the next few lines, but still :

    Then :

    When you did watch cricket it was because you were “less interested in the cricket than in the wandering chaatwallas and the opportunities to play with other children”
    Or
    You watched in Eden Gardens because it was less about “cricket than about bunking school and the excitement of being in the Eden Gardens stands….I could talk about it at school for weeks”
    Or
    You “..remember being too excited to sleep that glorious night in 1983 when India won the World Cup – the Prudential Cup – and Calcutta went crazy. But I wasn’t excited about the cricket. I was just excited that India had won. Even though I was in my early teens, I could sense that something in the world had changed.”

    Now :

    Now when you do not watch cricket, you are by your own admission, an introvert – who hardly likes parties, rarely interacts with friends, etc etc.

    Difference :

    See what difference a game of cricket makes. It is not just a sport. It is a lifestyle. A way of life. At least in the subcontinent. Cricket is about camaraderie, freinds, joy, happiness – and excitement of a teenage even when you are middle age !

    And I have not read Chinaman, but I am sure in some way the book captures this way-of-life thing.

    Sorry again, if I sounded too presumptuous :)

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    Kushal Reply:

    I really don’t get you, Akhilesh. What have you got against introverts and why are you taking it out on me? If I don’t want to tweet or post status messages or go to parties, how does it upset YOU? Do you not have a life yourself?

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    Akhilesh Mishra Reply:

    Fair.

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  • Kushal

    Mostly, it’s about the game, Kanika and that is sooooooooo BORING!

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  • Kushal

    Yaay Parvana, you kindred spirit.

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  • Kushal

    Good heavens! Alec Ishmart! What a blast from the past. Where have you been???

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  • http://www.ianswer4u.com/ I Answer 4 u

    Sorry for taking a political view of the blockbuster, but i feel India also needs its Avengers to revive its fast diminishing “glory” and “shine”….

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  • Kushal

    Hey, you were always fun to chat and argue with in the comments boxes, Alec. You keep in touch!

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  • Ishmart Alec

    BTW i do agree. Although i got tired of cricket long ago partly because of overkill, partly because of its new WWE-esque avatar… the only good that comes out of this circus is maybe regonition of more players than before and blurring of regional and linguistic lines amongst us.

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  • Bob Star

    “Western countries, on the other hand, must shift from just condemning
    religious bigotry to criminalizing it, building on the UNHRC’s
    Resolution 16/18. That’s the way forward.”

    I disagree. Freedom of speech is valued far higher in the West. While I will admit, deliberate provocation of Islam is completely stupid – causing innocent people to die means free speech has to be used wisely – but pandering to Muslim sensitivity is not the way to go.

    Every time I hear ‘Islam is a religion of piece’ it makes me want to laugh and scream at the same time. Islam is by far the most violent and barbaric religion around today. Christianity was there around 200 – 300 years ago. It will just take time for Islam to become more civil. It’s going to be hard to find that patience though. Hopefully with technology and the internet that process can be sped along. I hope Muslims will be able to make jokes about their own religion without people having to die in the future – much as we make jokes about red haired people, the Welsh and Christianity in the West.

    Strangely (and thankfully), in the West, people are moving onto the next step: atheism. It seems to have gone from violent Christianity, to more peaceful Christianity, and now we are reaching a tipping point where a lot of the younger generation are becoming atheists.

    I pray that everyone will be an atheist soon and we can get rid of these idiotic and dangerous religions.

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  • Anonymous

    cmon zia brother

    U know that all mussalas are tagutht to hate all other religionsas beign inferior. it is a gr8 game. The propehet is gr8 (PBUH) I love him.

    Let others make a porno about him. Why should it bother me. It is a free market out there. We muslims make fun of SHias, Ahemadiyas and Ismailesa.. We butcher the Sikhs and HIndus.

    All so rotten.

    Bamiyan Buddhas fell to 200 cannon shots. So we are a joke. Be liberal brother. Most of Islamic tezxt is against women and otehr religions. It is outdated.

    Katrina kaif would be buitceherdd today f our neighbourhood mullah had tthe choice. Madhubala the sexiset gal born would have been in jannat afeter a beheading. be agood muslim and forget iislamic books for a change.

    I got a cut. But it does not mean I cannot date hindu gals without conversion. Yeh sab drama hai. Islam is as good or as bad as any other religoan. Allah is not the final word. Einstein and Darwin k now more than Koran, half of it is wrong. So why spread myths?

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    Davar Hussain Reply:

    *******, if you talk like that in front of me , you will surely wish you were never born

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    Foulitics Reply:

    Here is one “true” Muslim. :-) . Thuggery comes naturally.

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    Foulitics Reply:

    Here is one “true” Muslim. :-) . Thuggery comes naturally.

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    Abhishek Reply:

    Thank you Mr. Hussain. I am sure you represent the voice of “silent and moderate” majority :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    so when are you joining the Taliban?

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    Shahriar Reply:

    Alas, if you had ever read Quran a wee bit, you would have realized that Einstein knows exactly what Quran says. And Darwin? OMG, even his followers rejected his cheap, illogical hypothesis (Darwin himself said his views as hypothesis, please note). Please brother, read and read to find out what a stupid illogical unscientific person this Darwin was, ha ha. Anyway, though I am a stern believer as a Muslim, I do never support arrogance and violence; to me, patience, tolerance and rationality MUST be the weapons against anti-Islam aggression by the Free Masonic agents worldwide. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So where did the bones of the dinosaurs come from? Surely not from a CHinese toy factory?

    Anyway i appreciate your gentle way of engaging and not the crass accusations someone else made.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @ Shahriar If you had comprehended the same book you are sanctimoniously advising another to read; you would be certain that the ‘earth is laid out as a carpet and the mountains are placed to hold it (in place). Darwin had the self-respect and intellectual honesty not to claim divine promptings for his postulate ( which has only now been confirmed by the technological progresses in DNA sciences). So brother, before advising others and debunking Einstein and Darwin please get in order your basic knowledge-base. The Church sponsored scientists have spectacularly failed and those scientists who had decided to throw away their scientific credentials for the sake of their belief are non-existent today either in their reputations or their numbers.
    Instead of focusing your intellectual curiosity only to puncture holes in the mathematically and chemically proven facts, you would do a lot of good to yourself if you began to seriously question the antecedents and credentials of a caravan-raider, pedophile, slave-merchant who opined that the sun settles each night to rest under the throne of the almigthy.

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    ssraja Reply:

    U don’t know islam nor ur mullas who teach hatred .first know about islam then express u r views . nor Einstein nor darwin reach the sky
    till date know one knows how life came into existence .whatever developments u r seeing today r marely just 150 year old this is the initial stage there is a lot to explore and know about so don’t come to conclusions and say that darwin and einstein r gods .

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  • Foulitics

    “Western countries, on the other hand, must shift from just condemning religious bigotry to criminalizing it, building on the UNHRC’s Resolution 16/18. That’s the way forward.”

    Where will that leave the ummah who practice bigotry in an industrial scale? This is crude way to protect the “sensitivities” of bigoted societies. Bigoted societies need to follow the civilized world and not the other way around. So for starters, any state calling itself “Islamic republic” should drop that term since it implies that nonmuslims in those societies are inferior. I am sure Zia wouldn’t support India being named as “The Hindu republic of India” but I am not so sure that he will support countries the Islamic tag in their names. That’s the sign of a true hypocritical bigot.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4L2EPTWZ43IVCYG6KTY7ICOSU4 Jess

    Islam may preach peace but most muslims are violent. Muslims use the rules of islam as per their own convenience, then try preach you the stories from the koran.
    China handles pakistan and its muslims well. Muslims know china does not buy their islamphobic stories. if they did this drama in front of a Chinese embassy, China will hunt and kill them all like pigs, maybe a few more just to set an example. Like India’s modesty in kargil, china will not stop at the border. It will show the real face of muslims.
    it is just a movie and there should be freedom of speech. The movie is funny. I hope there is a sequel. All this killing,violence, drama has shown that muslims are weak & violent people. The movie could have some truth to it.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4L2EPTWZ43IVCYG6KTY7ICOSU4 Jess

    Islam may preach peace but most muslims are violent. Muslims use the rules of islam as per their own convenience, then try preach you the stories from the koran.
    China handles pakistan and its muslims well. Muslims know china does not buy their islamphobic stories. if they did this drama in front of a Chinese embassy, China will hunt and kill them all like pigs, maybe a few more just to set an example. Like India’s modesty in kargil, china will not stop at the border. It will show the real face of muslims.
    it is just a movie and there should be freedom of speech. The movie is funny. I hope there is a sequel. All this killing,violence, drama has shown that muslims are weak & violent people. The movie could have some truth to it.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4L2EPTWZ43IVCYG6KTY7ICOSU4 Jess

    Islam may preach peace but most muslims are violent. Muslims use the rules of islam as per their own convenience, then try preach you the stories from the koran.
    China handles pakistan and its muslims well. Muslims know china does not buy their islamphobic stories. if they did this drama in front of a Chinese embassy, China will hunt and kill them all like pigs, maybe a few more just to set an example. Like India’s modesty in kargil, china will not stop at the border. It will show the real face of muslims.
    it is just a movie and there should be freedom of speech. The movie is funny. I hope there is a sequel. All this killing,violence, drama has shown that muslims are weak & violent people. The movie could have some truth to it.

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  • Sumit Bose

    Mr Muslim, as your other articles, this too is long on rhetoric and terribly poor on facts. you consider “Incendiary films, literature and cartoons that poke Islam are not an
    expression of free speech. I consider them to be hate speech”. In short your position is in no way divergent from those thugs all around the world who choose to get into rampage mode, whenever it is convenient to whip up a mob.
    This trailer was posted on 1st July and it is an absoloutely shoddily made movie, for certain, but the facts are clearly, without much alteration, straight out of Bukhari’s collection!
    It amazes me no end, when pious Muslims spend hours and hours reading the scriptures, but have not been offended in what is in the most authoritative of the H@diths. I wonder if they have any comprehension of the hours and hours of reading they have indulged in. If they have understood the facts that were dutifully compiled by Bukhari, then it is very clear that they don’t want anyone else to know what is between the covers of this most authoritative source of Islamic history.
    You conclusion that Muslims should look back at the life of the Prophet; and my point is they are doing exactly that! He NEVER forgave anyone who questioned his actions/claims.
    He got a nearly 100 year old man (Abu Talib, I think) assassinated because he opposed his religious claims. He requested volunteers from among his followers to kill Asma, who wrote satirical poems about his caravan looting and slaughters. One who did the bidding of the “most exalted human ever” returned with remorse and guilt, only to be assured by him, that “even two goats will not butt their heads for her”.
    The list is long and this is no forum for giving out the vast expanse of bigotry and brutality that was the defining characteristic of “most exalted human ever”. Is it any wonder that this group have to drum up a show of force to silence facts that are now freely available on the internet.
    Mr Muslim, what value is the merit of your “secular” education if you too choose to be a “gathiya taqqiya” and opine to criminalize any recounting of recorded facts, where even truth is no longer a defense against a group who feel “outraged” . Your teachers must be hanging their heads down in shame at your residue of all the long years of educations resources that have been squandered for you.

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  • Anonymous

    My comments have created a reaction which I would like to clarify.

    Frankly as a Muslim I am disturbed that my right to question my religion is taken over by a orthodox Maulvi. How can one’s brain be dictated by a guy who claims who knows everything all because he read or misread a book.

    Islam has to be tolerant and give the right to convert. If some Muslim wants to become a scientist– does he have to get stuck at the quranic stories?

    My right to reject what is clearly wrong cannot be taken away by an idioit who says he knows all because his beard is longer.

    This way Islam will keep fighting with the rest of the world. Sunnis will fight Shias will fight ahemadiyas will fight Ismailis will fight—– etc etc

    Human rights supersede the ideas superimposed by violent clergy.

    This way no human rights and women’s rights program will take place in a Muslim country. We will first wait for Christians and Hindus to progress and then copy all because we cannot fly as the “maulvi and book knows it all.”

    A bad film insulting the prophet should not disturb is but instead make Muslims feel morally superior.

    Need i get in all the propaganda material in Muslim countries against other religions?

    Furtheron we have too much of the victim card. Are we victims always?

    Some weeks back the students from NE were being chased out of South India… all because some idiots blamed them for a Muslim killing in Burma.
    Did we come out on the roads then?

    Stop this victim hood falsehood and free our women– even if it violates the religious text. That is the only way a Muslim mind will be as free as some other minds.

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    Bob Star Reply:

    Parvez you are an angel. You give me hope in this irrational world.

    Good luck to you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well I am a rational person… so I think!

    Hope peace prevails and hatred for others’s religion is not taught anywhere, and most of all not thru the interpretations of the koran.

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t have to prove my credentials as a Muslim to you. In fact you need to prove your credentials as a human being to me. My mission in life is to puncture the humbug we Muslims practice all our lives. Yes, I am a management student and from a family of respected Muslim doctors which knows the hadiths backwards. It is my right to reject what I see is factually incorrect and against human rights.

    You will never understand because you believe in violence against anybody who speaks the truth. Unless paras and practices in Islam are categorically rejected, Muslims all over the world will find themselves in confrontation with the world. Dont let your rhetoric sway you into a false belief of victimhood.

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    Shahriar Reply:

    Aah, if you would have known the definition of TRUTH brother……:)

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  • Bob Star

    Saj darling, it will never happen (me converting). How can an atheist be a sheep?? We are the only ones who think for ourselves and don’t follow any “holy” book. We are ruled by proof and evidence – that is all.

    If what you say is true about 2025 – then the world is well and truly screwed. How many violent animals can this planet take?
    Just to be clear, I don’t mean all Muslims of course. Just those who like to fight, kill and maim because it makes them feel good, or think that a books tells them it’s ok. Those are the animals. If all Muslims were like Parvez – we wouldn’t even be having this discussion – because people like him make this world a better place.

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  • Bob Star

    Some people will refuse to believe you even though we both know it’s true. It seems to be what happens to the religious mind. It’s the same with Jesus. If he was around today he wouldn’t be seen as a good person. He’d be closer to an Afghan warlord of today.

    The truth is morality changes and evolves (for the better) and that has nothing to do with religion. It comes from culture and inspired people. Religion is fixed and unchanging. If we still lived as they did in the Christian West a few hundred years ago, then people would still be being burned for being witches, or fathers would be offering their daughters as a sacrifice or to be raped. All that stuff was normal in the Bible.

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  • Anonymous

    I am here as a human being and not a bigoted supporter of any religion.

    Let me be frank. Most religions can be torn apart in context of today’s knowledge. While all of us have a right to believe what we desire, you cannot take my right away to reject what I perceive as wrong.

    Why is Islam in confrontation with the rest of the world?

    A few Muslims have tried to blame it on all, but never on themselves. Even in this blog :)

    let me give a respectable translation of the Quran from Dar us Salam publications which is used to poison us against others. NO bad intentions on my side. Just factual plain speaking.

    Here is the first Surah. Please note that the interpretation talks about the low life of Jews and Christians.

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    1. Surah Al-Fatihah1.

    In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

    3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

    5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

    6. Guide us to the Straight Way

    7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

    ——————————————-

    This interpretation straight away goes hammer and tongs at jews and Christians. SO are we training new minds for a peacefull world?

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  • Dr Mishra

    PARVEZ AHMED

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    Can I say that I have followed Parvez for the last 1 year on these blogs. Yes, he is genuinely a muslim whose father and sister is a doctor. He is modern and thinks rationally.
    He does slam ppl like Ravi and engrich-tajender who are militant Islamists or OBC- he does not take prisoners !! His heart is Indian, his religion is mild. Like mine.
    Most militant muslims have an issue with him, but they should realise that if they want to integrate and do well socially and financially, then they would do well not to attack him but read what he says.
    Regards Dr M, Harrowgate, UK

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Doc. I always try to be rational. And let me also state that in the context of the 7th century, The Koran came up with many many new scientific concepts and even recognised the rights of women on property.

    But alas, people who only think about the exact word and not the intention are creating a fight all over the world. If the Koran says two women should only get as much property as one man, then they are two ways to see this

    a) The Koran was far reaching in the 7th century to recognize this and give women the right to family property. The good way. let us improve this now and give women an equal share.

    b) The bad way which unfortunately idiots are stuck up with.– women should only be worth half of what a man is– all becasue the Koran says so.

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  • ssraja

    First thing i want to say is islam is not a religion.as most of the world thinks.
    islam is not myth it is fact of life it is a way of living it shows how to be a human being.in islam there is nothing like god nor any idol worship it is a system every
    human being has to follow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me be blunt here. I am from a Muslim family and many people dot consider me a Muslim since I dont believe in Maulvis imposing their rot.

    Blind worship of koran and imposing it word by word by force on Muslims, non Muslims and athiests is worse than idol worship. That is what is happening now

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    ssraja Reply:

    Mr parvez then u must know islam is not a religion it is just a system which makes u a human being. we muslim’s follow sunnah (living style of prophet mohammed(pubh)) did prophet(pubh) spread hatred.is there place for hatred in islam.r taliban real muslims do they represent muslims in the world.to be frank u don’t find a real muslim it is very hard to find a real muslim who practice islam .sahabah have donated their wealth to adopt islam show me a single muslim who is not greedy selfish .u should know allah will not accept u r prayer if u commit a single gunah in between the prayers.in todays world commiting henious crimes in the name of islam and the western world is provoking the muslim’s for their greedy intentions they have captured phalastine and now iraq afgasnistan libya lebnon for oil they r defaming the muslims their intentions r purly economical they just want to loot the natural resources of the muslim country’s.as an individual u write any thing u want u have the right to express not in the name of islam r muslim.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why should it be difficult to find real Muslims?

    Everyone claims I am the real Muslim and then seeks to chop the head of the other. Why should Shias be fignthing with Sunnis? or vice versa?

    I am a sceptical Muslim. I will now reveal above why Islam is in confrontation with other religions and with itself.

    ssraja Reply:

    mr parvez it is for domination(for khilafat) its politics not islam and they shia’s put islam in a different prospective as a religion which is not there is no place for worshiping objects of any kind in islam .even u can’t worship prophet(pubh) as god it is sin in islam .how can a human being r a star be god when the universe is so vast where just a galaxy has billions of stars .it takes100 light years to reach the nearest star.
    so don’t go into these kinds of arguments .if u want be a muslim(follower of islam) then just u choose the path of prophet(pubh) just follow sunnah nothing else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But you are saying that Shias, Ismailis and Ahemediyas are not good Muslims. While Osama and Hafeez Saeed are good Muslims because they are in your perception doing what you believe is right.

    I think you need to open the arteries of your mind.

    ssraja Reply:

    mr parvez i did’nt say that, i think u should cosnsult a good islamic scholar, islam is just following sunnah that’s all .while osama and hafeez i don’t know about them what they have to do with islam ,r they messangers of god. shias, ismaiilias ahmadias i don’t know what they preach and practice,but for certain they don’t follow sunnah.and i don’t have right to criticise followers of other religion r believes .one thing u should know islam says allah is the creater of the universe .
    now u may say who is allah ,allah is nothing he has no physical appearence ,and no one has ever seen him.and the holy quran says mohemmad(pubh) is his massenger.living style of prophet(pubh) is sunnah,if u believe other than this then u r not the follower of the islam that’s it.and the main aim of islam is to be human not more that. and u r quoting some sooras, u must is each line of quran in context . and quran is in arabic litreture and there r many scholars have their own view versions because of that there r as many as 76 firkhas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the trouble . Consult a good islamic scholor. Now who is this good Islamic scholar? Even Zakir naik considers himself a good Islamic scholar. The scholar i like may seem to be a complete idiot to you.

    In the end these so called scholars will drive Muslims to fight all– Non Muslims and Muslims with variationas i belief.

    I think this so called rigideness to follow texts to the word is the problem in current day Islam. You should rather work with peopl like me to revise texts which are against women and other religions.

    ssraja Reply:

    yes zakir naik in present days he is a good scholar who has knowledge of other scriptures also .u r miss guided about islam .what i have said earlier that don’t look what others have done in the name of islam just do follow sunnah nothing else.
    there is propaganda about is islam is cruel to women in islam women r not treated as equal it is wrong. it respects women no other religion does.because the creator knows what product he has created so u n me don’t know. so don’t believe in false propaganda.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ SS Raja

    Thank you for your reply. I appreciate that you have put in the effort to give your viewpoint on all this. I would give my reply over two days as right now I am sitting with my University friends and enjoying India prevail over Pakistan in the first half of the match.

    In my opinion, Zakir Naik is a very very very poor scholar. He is in fact a manipulator who has occupied centrestage of manipulating Muslim thought.

    In my second opinion, I think the Quran has nothing to offer to women as equals to men for the 21st century unless it is take int he spirit. When my sister was 18, my grandfather asked her to read the Quran,

    her first question was of disappointment.
    “the entire text is addressed to males… ” was her reaction. “It has paras like you can have one, two three four wives… women are your cultivation… ”

    In no way is it adressed to a woman. When you say, “woman are yours…”

    The whole dialogue is to a male.

    Raja sir, I will love e to have your opinion as I sincerely feel that Muslims need to break the hegemony fakes like Zakir naik have imposed on us.

  • ssraja

    sorry real muslim don’t be agitated sir by just having a muslim name is not a muslim u should know what is islam and islam it teaches to have patience.

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  • Plumbline

    1 Peter 2:23-24……….
    23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

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  • ssraja

    Here all r angry about islam.today there r more than 1 billion muslims in the world they r all not arabs .all these muslims did’t get converted to islam by force they have adopted islam because they liked the living style of prophet mohammed(pubh)all atrocities done in the name of islam r not the preachings of prophet(pubh) islam is just following the sunnah(living style of prophet(pubh)
    nothing more than that and if u don’t follow that u r not a muslim.islam is was adopted by many cults,culture,religion and region so there r many kinds of people and it is natural to show their behavior then where is the fault of islam.
    there is no place in islam for a person who is greedy,selfish,cruel and inhuman to others.it is human to react if some one provokes u that dose’nt mean that islam is bad .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    SS Raja

    That is the trouble. Everyone claims I am the true Muslim and you are not, so I will kill you.

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  • ssraja

    we human beings r animal in nature(greedy and selfish) what islam preaches is to be a human that’s all . if u r not greedy and selfish helpful to fellow being then u r the most respected person in the soceity that is a muslim.

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    amerigramma Reply:

    Actually, Muslims are the least respected persons in societies that are not run by Islamic laws. Muhammad was greedy and selfish and hateful, one of the worst monsters in history. He is right up there with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Kim Sung Il, Vlad the Impaler, Nero and the rest of the creepy twisted mass murderers. Anyone twisted enough to truly know the Quran and Haddiths and follow what is written in those books are equally guilty. Many “peaceful” Muslims are that way because they don’t know their books or what their religion is really about. They try to inject their niceness into the very hateful religion of Islam but it doesn’t work that way. The rate of Islamic followers is declining because more people are now actually taking the time to read their books.

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    ssraja Reply:

    @amerigramma no religious book preaches hatred r un equality except brahmanism which has divided a human into castes .its seems u r from that community.

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  • ssraja

    mr sharma u divided a human into 100 pieces in name of caste u created untouchability because of that today india has more muslims u still practice untouchability .

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @ssraja, please get it clear, there is a very brutal episode involving your direct ancestor,who had to kiss the feet of maurading foriegners and to save his body being seperated from his head and having his wife and children from being sold into slavery, This “untouchability” myth is foisted upon us by the Congressi Marxist Historians, who have been drumming into us all that the “Muslims started COMING to India”. It lead V.S. Naipaul question: As if they were coming into India in tourist caravans!
    This brutal episode in not just what your hapless ancestor had to ingest with humiliation; it was something that millions of Indians had to endure. This is a terrible episode in india’s past that has been adroitly covered up by our Congressi marxists, and it was not something that the Mughals brought into India, it started way before with the scoundrels of the Slave dynasties. Emperor Akbar was the only one who brought in a genuine composite entity, when he took Raja Man Singh’s help to defeat Ahmad Shah Abdali ( who was a star in forced conversions). besides Akbar had rejected Islam. I would suggest you read M.A.Khan’s well researched book name “Islamic Jihad” to put to rest once and for all this red herring that “untouchability” is the prime motivator of so many muslims in India.

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    ssraja Reply:

    mr sumit ji y r u peeking into history now too u practice untouchability u live in a seperate colonies u don’t entertain other communities U (brahmins) r just 4% of the population
    of the country and u enjoy 95% of the wealth of this country
    i have seen the atrocities of brahmins on dalits and sc’s
    now too they r commiting atrocities in north india.because of u r untouchbility most of the dalits and sc’s have adopted islam there r more than 50 crore muslims in (pak,bangladeshand india)these people not came from arab in carvans.these people r indian habitats ,in islam all r equal
    and don’t refer me to read any khan’s book nor the khan nor u know about islam .if some one commits crime in the name of islam that is not the fault of islam .who ever commits crime he is a criminal there is no place for any kind of crime in islam .islam has said there is nothing physical like god 1400 years now scientific community and people r realizing that universe is vast there cannot a be any human r an idol be a god

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @ssraja, ignorance is bliss and you would continue to be ignorant even about the religion you are born into. There are 624 suras that specifically advocate violence. there is no purpose servered showing an ornament or book to a monkey, it will just rip them apart. Another correction, I am not from a Brahmin family, hehe.

    ssraja Reply:

    sumit ji really u don’t know about islam ,u may know some bad people having muslim name’s authoring some books to defame islam if u really serious meet some good scholars and clear u r doubts but don’t defame islam it is the islam which has shown the mankind 1400 years ago when there were no satalites nor any communication devices that universe is vast and the sun is just a star in a galaxy which has billions of stars like that u can’t worship these stars nor any man r any manmade things.but most of the religions still practice stoneage retuals like hindus do worship stones trees.first u come out of islamphobia . even our indian scientist kept project papers in front of a stone for blessings , that there is no god like thing in universe today what the scientists r saying.in sura’s they may be advocating see them in a context ,don’t single out .

  • Anonymous

    I think a lot of people want to demolish my being a Muslim and then be satisfied!

    Well I find it funny. Why can’t there be a frank debate on the very nature of how Islam is finding itself in confrontation with the world and with itself? If I start this I surely will be called a fake Muslim, especially by people who claim to be the only Muslims. And then claim Victim hood ! Wow !

    let me start with the first Alphabet of this REAL debate. The right of being born a Muslim and yet appreciating what Maulvis don’t like. Music, churches, hymns, Beer, Aishwariya rai… Darwin, Einstien,

    I am sure the hackles of many a pure blood would already be raised. After all Muslims are only supposed to like this and only supposed to hate this. What rotten shit !!

    Who the F*** has the right to rule my brain?

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  • Foulitics

    I remember Zia writing that MF Hussein went into exile because he was “persecuted” or some such word. He is a fanatic. Fanatics can only be hypocrites since they stand on top of a sand castle which can crumble anytime.

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  • Anonymous

    Babu

    Thank you for your kind words. I think we Muslims are deliberatly foisted a feeling of victim hood and end up confronting many gentle people. My aim is to shake up the innocent Muslim human and make him see that he is being made a fool.

    I have added a few more points to your query, “upstairs.’

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  • Anonymous

    To all the Muslims on the blog

    Let me clarify I am just trying to bring sanity in the debate. It is very easy to keep crying that the world is ganged up against us. It serves no purpose. We need to train our minds in order to interpret Islam as per today’s world.

    let me quote again from a version of Quran I have during a time when my parents were in Saudia. The world should evolve now. Of course Islam originated in the area where Christianity and Jews existed. But do we need to now have the same intrepretation? The Surah Ale Imran itself in the Dar Us Salam publication has at least 45 barbs at Chirstians and Jews. We need to have a interpretation which does not pitch the young mind AGAINST the other religions.

    Now there are more vicious versions of Koran deliberately created to poison minds in say Pakistan. In the end the war of civilizations triggers of.

    Here is a part of the Sorah as in the intrepretation. Please not the stress on how we Muslims are superior to Jews and Christians. Okay all religons say that to some extent, but for the new world we need an amendment– otherwise the world will blow up.

    —————————————
    98. Say: “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you reject the Ayat of Allah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) while Allah is Witness to what you do?”

    99. Say: “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you stop those who have believed, from the Path of Allah, seeking to make it seem crooked, while you (yourselves) are witnesses [to Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah and Islam (Allah's Religion, i.e. to worship none but Him Alone)]? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”

    100. O you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians), they would (indeed) render you disbelievers after you have believed!

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    Shubhra Aurita Roy Reply:

    hello, you completely rock! power to you… I am really really impressed but stay safe. This is what I have been saying for years now. every single religion has grisly tales in its past because hello, they evolved in the BC period and in a different context. Every single religion… however the people following them evolved and took what made sense and discarded what did not and there was nothing that said that they cannot question or ignore. Don’t get me wrong – there are a few elements that i completely love about Islam (complete egalitarianism, rights to women in that era etc.) but lots that is questionable just as I question the Manusmriti or even that holy cow Rig Ved or the Old Testament. But its crazy that one cannot question anything that is written in the Muslim holy books… how will thepeople evolve? I also notice that in recent times, as the world has become more stressed those who seek an extremely prescriptive religion seem to gravitate towards Islam because it pretty much tells you how to think and behave for every thing

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  • Anonymous

    @ Rashid

    I live in Delhi. I find it impossible to believe that 90 women are burnt alive everyday. The figure could just be 1 or 2.

    Rape capital? Well the treatment of women ACROSS ALL RELIGIONS in India (except possibly barring Syrian Keralite Christians) is bad. In Muslims, the bad, gender un-equal, personal law makes it abhorrent.

    Rape Capital is a word which the sensation driven press has evolved.

    yes, we need to eb rich as Europe. But then we need fast economic growth and not this vote bank politics of confrontation and riots.

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  • Roy Stone

    India has a million social problems it keeps dodging and not confronting, do they actually think anyone gives a ****??? Idk about you, Ive been to both countries and Indian isnt even 1/10 of china when it comes to a functional society(yes women’s status and living standards part of it)

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