BJP: Many a slip between cup and lip

Muslim Brotherhood, which was banned for decades in Egypt, its candidate has now been declared as the President of the new Republic of Misr. They now have the opportunity to demonstrate what the religion of Islam is all about- with their centuries of producing Islamic scholars to guide the word of Islam. Freedom and justice for all, muslims, christians and others. Equal rights and responsibility for all citizens. You have a long way to tae away special rights for the military. Follow the example of Turkey.

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vijay ! Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

I think Engrch you should please leave for Egypt and help Muslm Brotherhood, rather than spreading communal bull shit here…

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Abu Ahmed Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

Turkey’s Rafah Party has already demonstrated that an Islamic party is as democratic as any other. Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt is up against much opposition; if they succumb to those pressures by getting despotic, they would be playing into their opponents’ hands, and if they run their affairs in an all-inclusive manner, would come out trumps. India’s moderate political culture was never conducive to any kind of extremism that is why a moderate or secular person was always the PM – Indira Gandhi tried to force issues during the Emergency and had to pay the price for it. China and Saudi Arabia too are changing due to the satellite onslaught.
Revolution in communications has seen to it that nobody anywhere gets away with any kind of fanaticism. RSS / BJP will not be able to take back India into the BC era – Indians will not tolerate that, for they too stand unchained under the post-Facebook era.

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Nihar Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:42 am

Tks for your view….a matured one.

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Gaurav Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 9:19 am

HI Zia ,
Why are u replying to engrich under the psuedo name of “Abu”?

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Ravi Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am

Abu

I agree with you.

We are witnessing – hopefully – a reformed Muslim Brotherhood. My view is that the Muslim Brotherhood has been to the extreme, had a good look, and is now moving towards a centre right position. I am sure that there still remain some radical elements within the Brotherhood, but they seem to be losing their influence. This is probably true of other Middle Eastern Muslim parties too.

Similarly, I believe that Indian Muslims are unique. I do not believe that they have ever been Islamists or Radical in any way. An attempt – under the influence of Saudi Money – was made to radicalise them and it miserably failed. Indian Muslims have seen the kind of fruit radicalism has borne in Pakistan and have collectively decided to not adopt that path.

However, the RSS/BJP combo and all other branches of the Sangh Parivar provoke them into retaliation as well as push them towards adopting more radical stance. This is purely a political gambit because if one has to make a हउवा then make sure that it is as डरावना as possible. Most Indian Muslim leaders have wisened upto this tactic and no longer respond in a prdictable fashion.

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engrich Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

ravi,
One person who will certainly not be happy with the victory of the Muslim Brotherhood”s Muhammad Mursi in Egypt’s first ever free Presidential election will be our twit of a Prime Minister, David Cameron.
Back in February 2011, soon after the Egyptian people brought down Egypt’s long-time dictator, Husni Mubarak, Cameron visited Egypt ostensibly to show support for Egypt’s transition to democratic rule. Cameron made a point of meeting a number of Egyptian groups while deliberately refusing to meet anyone from the Muslim Brotherhood – Egypt’s largest popular mass movement. When asked why he did not meet with the MB, Cameron said:
“My whole argument is that by opening up societies and having the building blocs of democracy and allowing greater participation, you actually give young people … something else to believe in rather than a more extreme Islamic root.”
Cameron had evidently bought into the argument advanced by the Israelis/Policy Exchange/Quilliam etc who keep parrotting that ‘Islamists’ are all extremists. So we can expect some amusing backtracking from the UK government as it realises that the Arab world’s most populous and influential country has voted for an ‘Islamist’ President.doctorate in engineering and ex-professor university of california.
Our Foreign Minister, William Hague was quick off the mark tweeting:
“The people of #Egypt have elected a new President. I congratulate him and them on the result, and the peaceful process

Guest Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm

A “liberal Hindu ” Ravi now a supporter of a islamist Muslim brotherhood.hahahahaha..”Ravi”, wonderful guy…

Ravi Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 6:52 pm

So what is your Frookhabadi point.
All Hindus should be like you fascist and Muslim Hating.

Zia
Why not give us a view on how women feel in four marriages just for getting a perspective on the minority among minorities?
My feel s that when HT gve you the column… it was to clear Islamophobia and not reinfocre it as you sometimes end up doing by justifying retrograde steps like religious finance, religious reservations, religious brotherhood above country…

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engrich Reply:
June 24th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

vijay one marriage is church order nothing to do with hinduism christianity or islam.if u are incompatible then go to hell.court and society will not allow u next life.u cannot divorce ur wife even if u see her sleeping with others as couples are made by god,which is bullshit.man makes the couples not god.
islamic thinking on marriage is better and more mature and practical.laws all over the world are being altered in same direction.thousands of philipnos convert because of this reason.

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I could not give 0 or -ve rating to such a pathetic and narrow minded article. It’s written by someone who could not say beyond ‘yes madam jee’ and ready to waste opportunity to show the dynamics of Indian politics & willing to write something which looks like party spokespersons statement.

Article starts with -ve of PA Sangma and branding him as opportunistic, and convincingly forgets that the guy opposed Sonia Gandhi on principle which many congress leader dare not to do.

UPA has politicize every thing & downgraded even post of president by forced to have character like Pratibha Patil over APJ Kalam, what good has done Patipbha Patil for society (other than for her family) before becoming president, she is not even able to upheld reputation of president by wishing to have huge dream bungalow on army land and taking extended family to free trips on expense of tax payer money. Last but not least she has converted 35 death penalties to life sentences without even looking into detail and acted like a rubber stamp, other wise how could she clear 4 files in single day. Not one, two or three, its 35 cases which involves mass murders & rapes of minors. How can someone trusts choice of UPA.

UPA does not try to consensus, announced a candidate; where is opposition involved; so what’s harm in contesting if ruling party is not open to listen to view who are not in power.

Tallest leader of UPA, Mr. Pranab Mukherjee, right hand of Mrs. Indira Gandhi, executioner of emergency, and current finance minister who is involved in mess situation of India economy, is UPA’s choice who does not have non partician image compare to PA Sangma who has at least his own mind & views and dare to take difficult path and was hailed by each party when he was speaker of house, is better candidate.

Mr. Mukherjee might have played long role in Indian politics but does not have capacity to laud his (individual) views for best of country but to fall in line to madam jee unlike PA Sangma. So choice is yours.

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ZIA ANTI HINDU KAFFIR !!!! OK ..

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Bharat Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 11:48 am

All Indians are one Please don’d divide my Vishal Akhand Bharat

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Ravi Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

How Vishal is it?

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Guest Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 5:48 pm

Not as vishal as “liberal Hindu” Ravi obviously. Nothing can be as vishal as Ravi mo.

Ravi Reply:
July 1st, 2012 at 6:02 pm

Even a neutrino is more vishal than your fascist Hindu Fundo
brain.

So now Narendra Modi is a demagog? How about you rename your blog title to”They call me an idiot”.

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Who had told this IDIOT that Narendra Modi is the PM candidate of NDA. I have heart it from HT and NDTV only, and no one else. Just to write the last line why write an entirely despicable article.

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This newspaper deserves better writers than Zia Haq. You are already well taken care of by the Italiano’s and let me tell you that You are no Muslim either. If you want to know the “Actual Muslim” sentiments go and visit Gujarat. They will spit on your face because of your idelogy. You are off-the-shelf bought-out writer….Nothing more. Hindus and Muslims can prosper under Modi only and penny collectors like you will be jobless once he comes to power. We patriotic Indians only pray that he be spared the assassination wrath of your Italian Mom’s gang….Jai Hind, Jai Modi.

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India is only the land that hindus have in this whole world, please let us live peacefully . Muslims have already got their share in 1947 kindly leave us alone.

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And if you actually want to write about Muslims, write about the one’s who become terrorist, pedophiles (Middle East Muslims who throng to poor Muslim families in India and marry girl as young as 6 year old), Muslim man marrying hindu girls and forcibly converting them to Islam, Hindus forced to convert to Islam in Pakistan, Some Madrassas in India and all in Pakistan who convert humans into human-bombs…..there are a lot more and my spondylytic fingers will be tired typing but people like you will never will raise these topics. Also how Congress has been fooling Muslims of India for last 65 years causing a gradual decline in their social/mental status and alienating them from the mainstream. Zia Beta Please help and save your community somehow. Learn from Modi who has saved Gujarati Muslims and given them a better life and treats them at par with us Hindus. Muslims in Gujarat are the most prosperous in India – Now you will say Dawood Ibrahim is the most prosperous Muslim of India. He is but also see how he became most prosperous?

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engrich Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

modi may be good or bad that is another issue.but he he should be punished for killing innocents.zoinism and brhmnsm should not be allowed to flourish.every body should be brought under law.
community will be saved by allah not by modi or his chamchas.muslims are hard working people.
all other points are nothing but bullshit usual rss propaganda based on lies.

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Why speculate about the future Prime minister now. Our history has ample examples when dark horses became PMs. It is my request to all the leaders,historians,the media,the political analysts that the need of the hour is to educate the electorate to elect a one party govt in the center like they do it for their respective states to ensure stability of the nation.It will ensure a strong India which can move ahead as a leading nation of the world. Are we not fed up with the coalition central govt in the past 15 years. This a wake up call to all those who love this country.
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agree fully wid har gobind bhukkal……the only one to be blamed for the plight of muslims today is muslim themselves….becoming a vote bank in the hands of the ugliest n oldest indian party congress for small n meagre short term gain has only increased the plight muslims face..n lot of these blame should also be taken by both electronic n print media too for just highlighting n exaggerating anti modi views…..these newspapers and media are sold in the hands of congress….n pity that media who actually should be touted as the opinion framers are just poltically motivated…..look at western media who always stands behind their nation n their strong leader who actually wanted good change…..one man who wants to make the country a leader of the world is being restrained to become….shame hindustan times n all other media…..

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Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am

Malhotra Ji you said it so succinctly. The same thing I was trying to tell Zia Haq Ji but he wears very dark sunglasses….he sees what he only wants to see and shows the same image to the world. HT is a congress mouthpiece and poor muslim sons like Zia are bought-out by Congress…Ab kya kare hamaara toh budhaapa aa gaya hai….ab kissi kaabil netaa kee taarif kare toh BJP agent kehte hai…. 30 saal tak congress ko vote dee aur baad mei realize keeya kee mei toh kuttaa thha…koi alternative nahi thha sahab … ab alternative hai toh laug samjhte nahi…aur ye hamaare padhe likhe musalmaan bhai bik gaye congressiyon kee chavanni-atthannio mei….Jai Hind Jai Modi

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engrich Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

hargobind bhukkal.muslims vote to congress is rss propaganda.truth is ,muslims are not voting to congress.they are voting to regional parties.

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gud article by zia..can understand the frustration of bjp chamchas..continue zia with the gud and geniune work

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gud article by zia..can understand the frustration of bjp chamchas..continue zia with the gud and geniune work

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What so ever, I personally feel Modi wil b the best prime minister of India

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Modi is an honest corrupt free leaders, any sensible people will praise him. Riot is a very bad thing, but it has happened many times under different ruling party. So may question is what is the definition of secularism? if Riot is the one, then no political party is secular.
Second point is if one party is asking for religion based quota, how it remains secular.
Third point is, Nitish and team does all caste based politics, how they are secular.
Modi should be the PM for India for next many years, people will see how India will progress under his leadership….Jai Hind..

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mr zia haq you want some body like mohammad ali zinnah as indian’s PM and not modi then please tell me that openly and dont beat around the bush. be frank and candid when you choose your leader for PM.

zia beta india is not your saudi arabia or iran to choose muslim PM who ever becomes a PM 1 thing is always certain.
indian voters would never allow a muslim to be PM and we must be proud about that.

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mr zia haq you want some body like mohammad ali zinnah as indian’s PM and not modi then please tell me that openly and dont beat around the bush. be frank and candid when you choose your leader for PM.

zia beta india is not your saudi arabia or iran to choose muslim PM who ever becomes a PM 1 thing is always certain.
indian voters would never allow a muslim to be PM and we must be proud about that.

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What can you expect from Zia Haq? Once Shyama Prasad Mukherjee said that there is only one nationalist Muslim and he is Jawahar Lal Nehru. So it explains the attitude of the minority.

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engrich Reply:
June 25th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

shayama prasad was one of the head prist of hindu fascism in india.

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What can you expect from Zia Haq? Once Shyama Prasad Mukherjee said that there is only one nationalist Muslim and he is Jawahar Lal Nehru. So it explains the attitude of the minority.

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70% Indian population is vegetarian? What a big joke. Say a few amongst them are really veg, who have never even tasted onions and garlic, leave alone any egg or meat. This 70% eats fish, mutton, chicken, beef and even pork; Not all of them all the time of course.

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