Leader of the Opposition’s speech: three-fourths tawdry

@Zia, you are childish in your approach in analysing current India.I dont know if you follow me, i had suggested in vinod sharma’s blog BJP’s strategy would to be let this ANNA nautanki LINGER ON , so that it can reap the harvest. I also said Congress strategy should be to iimplement WORD FOR WORD , The Anna Bill , so that IT CAN TAKE THE WIND OUT OF THE SAIL OF TEAM ANNA.And then Anna will be LOST IN OBLIVION, and that is what is going to happen. Reminds me of that remark by DEV ANAND.In early SEVENTIES Dev anand was driving along some where in bombay. His accomplice on the car kept on blabbering about RAJESH KHANNA . Dev Anand , interjected “TELL ME ABOUT THIS GUY IN TEN YEARS TIME”. same fate awaits the EX hawaldar.

As for bipartisanship , this is THIRD WORLD, this is DEEPLY caste ridden society , the concept of PATRIOTISM is an OXYMORON., as one great scholar once remarked Hindu society is innately corrupt , or to put it other way it all airy fairy NO CONCRETE RELIGIOUS STRICTURE AGAINST CORRUPTION.
And last is this UTTERLY BARMY idea of REFERENDUM as suggested by no other than that IDIOT
prashant bhushan, with COMPUTER KIOSK IN EVERY VILLAGE TO REGISTER OPINION ON EVERY LEGISLATION.If that were the case MIGHT DO AWAY WITH FIVE YRLY ELECTIONS.
That IDIOT TRIMURTI should know there are far more PRESSING ISSUES , LIKE FOOD FOR ALL FOR 365 DAYS

And FAR FAR more UTILITARIAN will be building GRAIN SILOS SO THAT WHEAT IS NOT LEFT IN THE OPEN AIR TO ROT AND BE BE EATEN BY RATS.

Oh by the way HOW ABOUT CLEAN DRINKING WATER OR ALL
Led by a HAWALDAR , will lead you to hawaldar’s standard of INTELLECT and its manifestation

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abhi Reply:
August 28th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

“Led by a HAWALDAR , will lead you to hawaldar’s standard of INTELLECT and its manifestation.”

To call Anna a Hawaldar, is about as fair as to call Sonia Gandhi a waitress. Most people wash dishes during their student days. So, are we all dish washers in our “standard of intellect” And what is the “standard of intellect” of a dishwasher. Is it any different from that of a prime minister? This person should watch out for his own “standard of intellect”.

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shah-sense Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 8:30 am

your parents have learned some english and send you to some school that you have got guts to call anna a hawaldar. A hawladar is 1000 times more superior to you arm chair strategist posting your venom like snake. Whats your credential dude? A solider is a soilder aand cant be held in contempt by anybody who ever might it be

It take more than guts to be on line of fire and engage in war?

Ask you wife, she will any day prefer to sleep with a solider than pimps like you

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shan Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

@shah sense , your wife may prefer a hawaldar in bed ,because her brains are stuck between her thigh , the ones i mingle with are interested in brains first balls next

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Karthik Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 8:50 am

Shan, I do not normally react on uninformed responses like the one you have, nor would I want to stifle the opinion of an individual because while working his standing was lower than most of us

What matters at this point is that this individual has raised an important issue, which affects all of us irrespective of whether we support right, left or centre

Most importantly he has made a difference to the lives of thousands of farmers and hundreds of villagers and he is a member of planning commissions of various states, and an acknowledged expert in poverty elimination

When you consider these points his thoughts have more weight and it would be wise for the government to involve him if they are talking of inclusive development

Lastly in our culture, we do not ask what was the status of our elders before we touch their feet and ask for their blessings and opinions, we do so because we know they mean well for us and we will be better off with their opinion, I think the same is the case here

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shan Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

@Karthic, first of all , other bloggers have informed us that his so called “work” in his village is OVER HYPED and lot to do with political patronage.
raising awareness is one thing(As if Indians don’t experience it for themselves everyday),BLACKMAILING with fasting and NAUTANKIBAJI is another . And insisting only HIS VERSION will do is straight from the books of FASCIST, No wonder he has contempt for parliamentary proceedures.ALSO THE NAIEVITY IS BREATHTAKING,as if PASS THIS LOKPAL BILL ,AND WAKE UP NEXT DAY SMELLING CORRUPTION FREE INDIA.
no wonder there is a saying “It is better to have an intelligent foe , than a stupid friend”
FOR REAL SOLUTION read my post by scrolling downwards

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“Led by a HAWALDAR , will lead you to hawaldar’s standard of INTELLECT and its manifestation.”

To call Anna a Hawaldar, is about as fair as to call Sonia Gandhi a waitress. Most people wash dishes during their student days. So, are we all dish washers in our “standard of intellect” And what is the “standard of intellect” of a dishwasher. Is it any different from that of a prime minister? This person should watch out for his own “standard of intellect”.

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So author gets hurt because Sushma Swaraj questoined Rahul the prince of UPA. Why was he himself not their during the debate? Probably his script writers could not create another script so soon.

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Congress Zindabad!!!!!!!

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That’s the problem with the BJP – it simply cannot rise above the sensibilities of a Northerner’s militant activism – no subtlety and no grace.

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The objection is to the way a man steps in to the parliament and speaks, not like a people’s representative, but as a Prince, and a pre-supposed heir to the throne.
What democracy, when one whole party is full of people that consider the Gandhi family to be the rightful rulers of India.
Sick of this!

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how many skull caps, burqas did one see in ram lila maidan.

few if any.

however muslims are ever willing to criticise bjp- it is paronia.

nothing will change for these guys. its a waste of time to interact with them

muslims should look at pakistan. given a chance these guys would create another pakistan in india. happily they will not be allowed to do this

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diya Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 1:58 am

Why couldent this communal writer Zia write about what Bukhari, jama masjid imam[islamic communal radical iman] ? he himself is communal and cant digest the truth. Narrow minded and cheap writing.

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now here comes another Gandhi follower. She was in her right to flak the issue of Rahul Gandhi getting special treatment when he is not even a minister, PM or LOP. Secondly, it was time that PM starts exercising his power rather listening to his cabinet. All these pro-Cong writers don’t like Hindi speaking members coz their madam can’t speak hindi.

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Congress slave article and narrow minded communal person only can write such things about Graceful, apt, eloquent sushmaji. I reject this biased and communal journalism by Zia. ashamed such peoples dwell in my country

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Probably this is why They Call You muslim Zia! Beacause you are dcommunal writer, have guts to write against Bukhari who spewed cummunal venom on Anna hajare’s crusade? Have balls?

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shan Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:09 am

@Bloggers et al, THE REAL CURE FOR THE MALADY CALL CORRUPTION

Form a committee comprising 1.nandan Nilekani2. debraj Roy, 3. MohandasPai4.harish salve4,Soli Sorabjee5.Azim Premji6.prof amartya sen
They will first create a DATA BASE of corruption., by making detailed surveys . This will be to find out about if and each and every facet of corruption , paying particular attention to past cases and data supplied by vigilance dept.
Next they will come up with measures, some may be tinkering with the administrative process , like making the public/govt interface TECHNOLOGY driven , thus corruption neutral, some legal recourse by changing legal loopholes , some by increasing vigilance , some by SIMPLY INCREASING THE SALARY AND MOTIVATING WITH SPECIAL TRAINING.
This is how it is done in a civilized world , NOT BLACKMAILING WITH FASTING , AND OBSCENE GESTICULATING BY DUMBO BEDI AND AAMIR KHAN CASHING IN WITH FREE PUBLICITY FOR HIS DHOOM3.AND MUNNABHAI CHALA AMERICA

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rajiv Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:12 am

What a callous , comunally driven and thuggish defense of Rahul Gandhi, who insists on proving that he is an idiot and worse.

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rajiv Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:14 am

@Shan,
If Rajiv Gandhi is an idiot , you are even worse. The queens people are looking for you . Yonk. yonk.
lol

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shan Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:44 am

@rajiv, I thought you were caught pimping , and had your MUG SHOT splashed in local newspapers.Oh perhaps it is the HURRICANE IRENE stalling things ,and this is your momentary freedom till the hurricane lasts

-Those who practise illegalities and communalism will never see the brilliance of the speech by Sushma Swaraj.
-Why? becoz they are stuck into medevial mentality,as well as loosing their illegal income through corrupt means, like hawala, smuggling etc, where corruption and bribery is the life-line of their business.

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Zia is most communal and immature writer[ifatall] ever i saw. I canat beleive such islamic communal peoples are allowed to publish their krap articles by HT, shame on you editor in chief. shame.

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Author is exhorting Sushma Swaraj and BJP to critique Rahul, PM and Congress on contents not intents, while entire blog is filled with attacking her and BJP for their style and intent. Author does not want to let Sushma and BJP raise the point about Manmohan’s Cabinet disagreeing with PM, by pointing to some appeal BJP PM made to Gujrat CM in 2002 and which in “Author’s opinion” Gujrat CM did not head to back then.
May be author’s point is that that gives right to Congress to provide a government where cabinet does not listen to it’s leader, the PM.

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I have not seen a single intelligent article by this person “Zia”. Not sure why Hindustan Times gives him this space. Other than being a muslim, he does not bring anything to the table. There is nothing to comments on Zia’s articles.

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Another Islamist in a different form

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Naveed Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:37 am

You are an another Saffron terrorist.

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Sushma with her shrill and always contemptuous speech puts people with a little intelligence to shame. RSS/BJP should be a religious cult and not a political party. Sushma, LK Advani, Gadakri, Modi are an insult to human race. They never understand, never appreciate, never savor the moment, they always in anti-Government mode. They are always after the blood of Muslims. They have made 150 Million Muslims destitute and reduced them to rubbish. RSS/BJP are the world’s largest and most sophisticated terror organization.

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RajKamal Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:53 am

It is typical with some Muslims these days, that they seem to blame someone like BJP, Modi or even sushma for their plight and downtrodden stature. It is time for them to grow up from the propaganda that congress has fed them for half a century.

The Whole of India has the will to root out corruption, if you intend to be left back, under the influence of your self serving medieval mentality leaders, you would soon be marginalized into insignificance.

Luckily many Muslim brothers and sisters are now able to see this through.

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Vijay Bhatia Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:00 am

Your anguish is ill placed.
BJP and right leaning political parties articulate distint political position. They want India to be what gives it it’s unique tolerant culture.
Muslims are in a bad situation, as Maulana Abul Kalam Azad had said, because of ill conceived idea that Muslims were a separate nation and Pakistan was formed.
Later Pakistan tried to identify itself as Arabic, as they were ashamed of their “Indian” roots/history.
See where they got? They are neither Arabic, nor Indian anymore.
And in the process they caused so much misery to all the muslims in India as well!
Place the blame where it belongs Mr. Naveen (or whatever your real name is)

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RahulG Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:04 am

Mr Vijay Bhatia, A very good reply to Naveed, who has nothing but hate for fellow hindus on which shoulder this country rests and making progress.

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Naveed Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:49 am

I lay the blame entirely in Saffron Terrorist. RSS/BJP is a sophisticated terror organization that has set its mind on the blood of Indian Muslims. If 180 Million Muslims of Pakistan had stayed with India their condition would not be any better. Problem lies with Hindu Caste system. What had Dalits done to Hindu_India that they are so oppressed? What had Sikhs done to India that 30% of Sikhs were either killed, arrested tortured or exiled between 1984-1992. Mr Bhatia, anguish is not misplaced. It is very well placed and it is squarely on Hindu India which is more and more like Saffron Terrorist. Why hasn’t Hindu India punished any Hindu for the genocide on 20,000 Sikhs in 3-days of 1984. Problem is Hindu Brahmin that considers murder and genocide of non-Hindus as their religious duty. RSS/BJP are reflective of those traits.

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RahulG Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 4:08 am

Eeryone knows world knows Islam produces terorists and prophet himself was terrorist. shame on u as humans, u muslims are disgrace to humanity including ZIa Haq

Kanishk Yadav Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 4:40 am

Naveed ,

You seem to be educated and well read, so I’d reply to you in the most polite way I can. You say that Indian Muslims are not treated well? They go to the same schools as hindus. Infact , India has Islamic universities which are centers of excellence and have most of the seats reserved for muslims. Look at the plight of Hindus in Pakistan on the other hand. The few that remain are oppressed and not allowed to live a dignified life. Islam as such is a beautiful religion. I myself find real happiness in going to Ajmer Shareef and Jama Mashjid, but why are terrorists worldwide from islamic countries? Thats because you have understood you religion wrong. Its not us Indians who are against sikhs or islam or christianity or any religion for that matter, but we are against terrorists. You guys have proven time and again that pakistan is the breeding ground for all terrorists.
You talk about different castes in hnduism and you conveniently chose to ignore the shia sunni divide in muslims. Dont have these double standards. We as a nation are as friendly to muslims as we are to hindus or sikhs or any other religion. Our prime minister is Sikh for God’s sake!!! Get your house in order first and then comment on whats going on in India.

Amit Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 5:03 am

ha,
This piece of yours assures me that you have never been to India and hence are a ****. Blame congress – your fav party – for killing of Sikhs. Sikhs, Christians, Jains, Budhists, Hindus are all integral part of India. See the pics coming in from the lokpal movement and you will realize that. Educated muslims are also coming along and joining mainstream although they don’t have any alternative than voting for Congress. I have no idea from where you are getting all your bul-shet. Jai Hind.

Rajeev Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 6:50 am

Naveed,
I am sure you are a pakistani but let me point out the irony-
1. In the earlier responses, you are defending CONGRESS and NEHRU GANDHI dynasty and slamming BJP/RSS.
2. In later responses, you are slamming hindus for mass murder of sikhs.

You should know sikhs were killed in mass courtesy Rajiv Gandhi and his congress.

You are blabbering without logic because your hatred for hindus has overcome your little intelligence. India is not your pakistan and Indian muslims are not murderous and liars like you pakistanis who first killed Hindus and Sikhs then moved on to true muslims Ahmediyas and after than Shia and then Sufis…You guys need any reason to kill. I thank Jinnah for dividing India..He got $hit like you out of India…Thanks Jinnah.

tej Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:32 am

There is no Sushma, Modi or Advani in Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Seria, Palestine, Libia, Bahrain, Yaman & Somalia where thousans of muslims are killed. Should I conclude that muslims are meant for this fate? No. But, for that this community has to change its basic instint. This instint might be related to their faith. Sorry, I don’t want to offend anybody. At the sametime I won’t buy the idea that someone else is responsible for what is happening the muslim community all over the world.

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CORRUPT CONGRESS PARTY Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:49 am

IF YOU CALL SUSHMA SWARAJ SPEECH A SHRILL THE WHAT YOU MUSLIM WOULD CALL THE RAHU KHANS SPEECH, IT WAS DIRECT TO THE POINT AND MORE DESERVED .SHE PUT THE LYING AND CHEATING CONGRESS INCLUDING RAHUL VINCI IN THE PROPER PALCE AND TOLD PEOPLE THAT BECAUSE THE ITALIAN MAID IS SUPREME IN THE CONGRESS AND THE PRIME MINISTERS EVERY WORLD IS CONTROLLED AND WHEN EVER PRIME MINISTER USES HIS MIND AND AUTHORITY LIKE THIS TIME WAS BRILLIANT AND HE AND PRANAB ACTED OUSIDE THE INFLUENCE OF THESE PHONY GANDHI NAME SAKE PEOPLE,THAT IS WHY SHE SAID TO CONGRESS PARTY TO LISTEN TO THE PRIME MINISTER MORE THAN THE UN-UDUCATED ITALIAN MAID AND HER SON.
IT IS YOUR OWN PARANOIA AS A MUSLIM THAT YOU THINK WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MUSLIMS
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT SHE NEVER SAID ANY THING ABOUT ANY MUSLIM AND IF YOU GUYS THINK THAT INDIANS AND HINDUS AND B.J.P ARE AFTER THE BLOOD OF MUSLIMS THEN IT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM,THE FACT IS THAT MUSLIMS OF INDIA ARE THE RICHEST OF ALL THE MUSLIMS ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD AND B.J.P IS THE ONE WHO SAVED YOU AND KEPT YOU GUYS IN LUXURY AND IF YOU MUSLIM IS SO UNSATISFIED AND AFRAID THAT HINDUS AND B.J.P ARE AFTER DESTROYING MUSLIMS OF INDIA THEN TRY LIVING IN YOU MUSLIM DOMINATED PAKISTAN OR SAUDI ARABIA ,IT IS IN INDIA ONLY YOU CAN TALK .IN PAKISTAN YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD BY NOW .PAKISTAN WAS ALTHOUGH CREATED FOR MUSLIMS AND BY MUSLIMS AND I WONDER WHY YOU GUYS ARE STILL IN INDIA WHEN YOU ARE SO MUCH UN-SATISFIED.
FACT IS THAT MUSLIMS ARE MOST UN-SATISFIED GROUP WHERE EVER THEY MIGHT LIVE ,EVEN IN AMERIACA ,EUROPE,SCANDANAVIA .NO ONE HATES MUSLIM THAN THE MUSLIMS HATES THEMSELVES , YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE OTHERS THAT OTHERS SHOULD HELP YOU , DO YOUR WORK AND YOU EAT MEAT 4 TIMES A DAY WITHOUT ANY EFFORT.LOOK WHAT YOU MUSLIMS HAVE DONE TO YOUR OWN PAKISTAN, SO GET OFF THE SYMPATHY WAGON AND DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE PROSPEROUS HINDUS AS THE REASON OF YOUR MISERY. AS I SAID EARLIER YOU HAVE A CHOICE ,IF YOU DONT LIKE IT HERE IN INDIA THEN YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO AFTER ALL YOU HAVE CHOICES,

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Zia like other muslim fundamentalists is twisting the subject and harping on Gujarat riots. Why is he not talking of 19894 massacre of Sikhs ? As a pseudo journalist he is singing congress song.

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All I can see there are not many in Indian Parliament who can talk. They are very few indeed (like Arun Jaitly and Sushma Swaraj).

If the Parliamentarian don’t even know how to talk, how they are going to run their business?

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IT WAS UNDOUBTEDLY THE BEST SPEECH BY SUSHMA SWARAJ , TO THE POINT AND NARRATED BRILLIANTLY . ONLY LOW CLAS FOOLS AND IDIOTS OF NO EDUCATION WOULD CALL IT ELOE THE BELT ATTACK ON RAHUL KHAN WHEN FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THIS MAN HAS NEVER ATTENDED THE PARLIAMENT AND ALL THIS TIME DID NOT SAY A WORD LET ALONE ANY INTELLIGENT WORD. NOW THIS GRADE 4 EDUCATED MAN WANTS THE LOKPAL TO BE UNDER THE PARLIAMENT WHICH INDIRECTLY MEANS CONTROLLED BY THE CONGRESS WHICH ULTIMATELY MEANS CONTROLLED BY HIS MOTHER AND HER GOONS WHICH MEANS THAT HE AND HIS MOTHER WOULD NEVER BE ARRESTED FOR THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY HAVE LOOTED ESTIMATED TO BE MORE THYAN $900,000 CRORES AS PER U.S.MEDIA.
RAHUL KHAN WANTED THAT LOKPAL BILL SHOULD NOT BE AS PER ANNA STYLE AND SHOULD BE RE DISCUSSED IN THE PARLIAMENT . SOME CONGRESS AGENT WROTE THE SPEECH AND THIS ****** READ IT AT THE TOP OF HIS VOICE ALMOST SHOUTING AND THE PRO CONGRESS SPEAKER ALLOWED HIM ALL THE TIME AT THE CRUCIAL MOMENT WHEN ANNA WAS IN HIS 11 DAY OF FAST,SHE SAID THAT IT WAS CONGRESS PARTY WHO WAS PUTTING BLOCKS IN THE WORK OF THE PRIME MINISTAER AND THAT IS WHY THE PRIME MINISTER IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK .
IF RAHU WANTED TO BELIEVE PASSIONATELY ,HE SHOULD HAVE THE PARLIAMENT AND SHOULD HAVE STRESSED ON HIS POINTS AND BE ABLE TO VOTE BUT HE CHOSE TO STAY AWAY MEANING THAT HE WAS AGAINST IT ALL . HIS PET DOGD CHIDAMBRAM AND DOG-VIJAY SINGH WERE ALSO ABSENT SHOWING CLEARLY THAT CHIDAMBRAMM HAD ORDERED THE ANNA HAZARE ARREST ON THE ADVICE OF RAHUL A.D NEXT DAY THE CONGRESS SENT IT GOONS TO CREATE TROUBLE AT THE RAM LILA GROUND AND WERE STOPPED AND NONE WAS CHARGED ALTHOUGH ALL OF THEM WERE DRUNK.
I THINK THAT SUSHNA SWARAJ EXPOSED THE CORRUPT CONGRESS BEATIFULLY AND THEY SHOULD NOT FORGET THAT THEIR DOG DAYS ARE OVER

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Narrow minded Muslims are never going to change, thinking just pro-congress (what so ill-act congress do for Muslims; they will always support this party). The way you have written against Sushma Swaraj without even mentioning a single good point of the speech shows your narrow-mind set. You should have appreciated the way the leader of opposition created an amble atmosphere for the Jan Lok Pal discussion.

Well, if educated people like you ( I assume you to be a college graduate at least) are like this, I can imagine about a poor, illiterate fellow of your community.

P.S. I wonder if HT pays you only to write anti-Hindu, anti-India articles.

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Cheapest writing ever.

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Kick this **** agent out of country

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This blog is complete nonsense. HT has lowered its standards by publishing this idiots rant. Congress is neck deep in corruption and this monkey should write about it too.

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Mohan R Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

Rob,

No, HT has not lowered its standard, they are just mainting the same .

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@Zia
Let’s look at the fact.

RG/Prince of congress was given special privilege by allowing to speak for 15 minutes to address the nation.Even for zero hour, there is a list.

If he was serious about Corruption then he could have started debate on corruption on Friday.Ironically,He was absent on crucial debate on Saturday. I think he is good for not taking stand on any issue but always ready for photo opportunity.

It is fact that our PM speaks very less.It is also fact that he does not have real authority in congress.Otherwise our honest PM would not be condoning the corrupt practice of its ministers.

Use of CBI is well known.

Author’s conscious or may be unconscious hatred toward BJP is always evident in his article.

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I don’t blame Sushma Swaraj very much. Judging from the continuous flip flop and deception in the actions of the ruling party leadership, she did not know about the outcome of the debate, so she went aggressive. Rahul Gandhi is no holy cow to be spared of all criticism. Actually by his speech, he by design postponed the decision of the house by two days. From his speech it appeared that the government wants to change the rules of the game in the middle of the match. Actually the ruling party belittled the importance of the prime minister too by repeatedly spurning his offer of the PM’s inclusion in the Lokpal.

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Dear Mr Zia.
The job you have done by writing this article was the job of Congress parliamentarians. It was their responsibility to respond to Ms Swaraj in coherent way. As far as Ms Swaraj is concerned she would not have better work than she did on the day. She tore apart PM, Mr Rahul Gandhi and and the Congress Party. She also scored some point for the party by supporting the motion with reasoning and and also showed the guts to disagree with it where required. I would say, ur article is injustice to a brilliant politician in our parliament.

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Dear Zia,
I do not understand your beef with the leader of opposition. If the chair allows her own party’s member to make a speech during zero hour, which is not for showcasing ruling party’s king-in-waiting, then leader of opposition her every right to call it out. If this amounts to contempt, so be it. It is well deserved.

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quote: “The Leader of the Opposition should have taken her hectoring lecture to a political rally, while rest of the House could have got along with the task of resolving the impasse between the people and Parliament over an anti-corruption law.” – Wow, is it impasse between people and parliament, did parliament get elected from Moon? Dear Author, please come down to earth.

On his defense of Rahul, how can one explain that but for sycophancy, how come an MP coming out of blue to parliament and give a 15 minute read out of an out of box solution, when already parliament is discussing some solution in the form of Janlokpal? Looks like he got an incremental paycheque from corrupt people.

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I can see only muslims are allowed to spew their venom without any censor and when we hindus try to denfd, they censor our comments, most communal writer and most communal news paper. I hope i wont see u outside in public when u do reporting.

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Zia Haq is ISlamic fundamentalist with ill temper towards country and hindus.

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Very cheap article… very very cheap.

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tHE CONGRESS TIMES ONLY CAN PUBLISH SUCH BLOG.THEY WOULD HAVE EARNED MONEY BY SOME AD.RATHER THAN THIS MEANINGLESS PIECE OF RUBBISH.

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It is petty to criticize Sushma on the contents of her Speech. Much as Rahul had the right to express his views in Parliament as the author says so does Sushma. There are Politicians who are ascerbic in the views they express. We should give them the freedom to be so. They are merely speaking their minds. The Congress, including Rahul, have castigated the BJP for being a Fascist Party. If they are speaking about Fascism in terms of disdain for an outlook that disregards minorities and seeks to repress them then the Congress would be the biggest culprit of Fascist Tendencies. The Congress is the Party that has yet to own up to its lumpen elements inflicting a pogrom on the innnocent Sikhs of India following Indira Gandhi’s assassination. No less a person than their revered leader, Rajiv Gandhi, said “The ground shakes when a big tree falls” on being told about the riots targetting Sikhs in Delhi. Who are bigger Fascists the Congress or the BJP?

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Zia radical **** agent in India

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The writer is conveniently ignoring that Rahul Gandhi was allowed to speak during Question Hour by the Speaker without prior notice, also Rahul Gandhi spoke for 15 minutes in direct contravention of Question Hour rules. Additionally if Rahul was really interested in a game changer, then why has he disappeared again when Anna broke his fast.

It is conveniently forgotten that hundreds of riots have taken place under Congress state governments over the last few decades, in which many more people have died than the events in Gujarat in 2002. Where is the Congress accountability for all that.
Congress stands for incompetence and corruption. The HT writers can keep getting paid by the Congress for writing misleading articles, this will not stop people power from dislodging a non-functioning government

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shan Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

Guys please keep in mind THIS WHOLE DEBATE contravened all HOUSE RULES, and was accomodated just to satisfy the EGO of the hawaldar

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I am not sure what is the significance of Modi and Gujarat riots here while reporting on speech by leader of opposition. Riots have to be condemned and there in no riot that is more sad than other. The problem is the pseudo-secularism and playing partisan. Why does the author forgest that Congress(I) has been in power and its PMs and CMs have presided over the largest riots in history of India from 1947 genocide to 1989 Bhagalpur riots. If you actually analyse, you would find the congress(I) has always cashed in riots much before BJP even became a force in India. In fact the constant Hindu bashing by these elitist is leading to Hindu Hardliners in the fore front.

The problem is not riots, but the elitists in the country getting testy on the slightest criticism of FAKE Gandhi clan. Grow-up and try to make some point which is worth reading and not paint every time on every news items with the same old brush of Gujarat Riots. It makes all of us sick.

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Of course I do not expect you to write anything positive about BJP, but you could have mentioned Arun Jaitley’s name, he was exceptional, perhaps the best in house.
All the worst riots happened under the watch of beloved Congress. It is NDA govt in Bihar who is actually pursuing Hindus who were involved in 1989 Bhagalpur riots, I believe few are in jail already. Why not beloved congress or Lalu did that ? Of course you(and many like you) wont see it.

The funny thing is that whilst you expect bipartsanship and reaching out from BJP, congress never does it. The arrogance and incompetence is for all to see with spate of scams. In fact it is the worship of congress by section of people that actually made BJP this strong.

Now they will bring reservation based on religion! And crying holier than thou but siding like goons called lalu and mulayam. I mean seriously.
If BJP is communal well then congress is equally communal.

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This is a rubbish pointless blog.
Country had reached a critical mass regarding corruption. We can all agree with that. All RG tried to do is create diversion and confusion. That’s the way busines is done in Indian parliament. Swaraj just pointed it out. It has to happen some day.

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Zia u do connecting everything to Narendra Modi…………………….well done keep it up……………………………………………………………

Surely u have some role in making him famous

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rahul yadav Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:22 am

I happened to see Sushma’s sppech live and i think she was justified in attacking Rahul here as though rightly pointed out by the author that he has a right to speak after chair’s permission but this is usually limited to 3 mins in the ‘zero hour’ for raising issues and not ramble on for 15 mins or so as Sushsma said and infact in the garb of raising an issue he went on to address his party’s vote constituency. His statement came after being not heard at all in the 10 days of fast prior to his speech and also not in the important day after, when he wasn’t even present in the parliament. You can’t just saunter in and expect it to be your right to deliver an address through parliament, so this is the context in which Sushma’s strong remarks about Rahul’s speech were made.

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Susmaji was awesome as usual. Secondly, why you said only Riot in Guijrat? Why do not you say Godhra? Why you do not say mess with Sikhs by bharatratna and congress leaders? Why do not you say Swiss money is visible but no one in congress is doing anything? On n on……….

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I am not at all surprised by Zia’s view on Shushma Swaraj’s speech. He is just confirming his rabid communalism for all of us. No wonder US denied this ideological terrorist Visa just like Modi.

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Amit Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 7:30 am

wells guys US on one hand denied visa in public and has highest regards for him in private
look at wiki leaks reports

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Zia, You are exactly one of those who wanted to divide India and crossed across to Pakistan. It is high time we should pack you and throw across there to save our country from Communal journalist like you. You are always eager to open the Gujrat riots but never ever utter a word when the victims of such riots are Non-Muslims. Never ever you speak about Godra or Kashmir.
Shame on you

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@author,
did u even go to school or attended only ______ ?
“But such attacks don’t carry much moral weight when they come from people in the BJP, who did not honour Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s wishes 14 years ago on a graver issue: the 2002 Gujarat riots.”

2011-2002 = 14 years !! great .. we need to start learning new math (Simple math) from you first before we even go to civilization and start worry about other people speech..

I did not even bother about reading anything else .. such a pathetic losers of Hindustan Times .. the list goes on and on ..

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Piyush Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

I think the right title of your blog should be ” I call myself Muslim” just so that people don’t blame anyone else. Get over your self victimizing antics and write for a change since HT won’t pull your blog down cause it’s being politically correct and may risk losing congress funding. Ridiculous article. And i am not even from RSS!!!

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manujsk Reply:
September 7th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

The maths is straight from the maulvis who taught him to at the madrassa? Zia bhai, which madrassa was that, by the way? Did you notice that Vinod Sharma has gone a little soft in his last couple of blogs on the BJP. Seems Zia is in line to take over form him, and he is testing grounds

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Muslims are supporting the drug addict and ****** Raoul Vinci alias Rahul with fake Gandhi surname

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I will call you clown.

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Zia,
First and foremost! Zero Hour is to raise a question in 3-4 minutes. Not for addressing the Nation. So YOUR messiah Rahul is wrong.
Next the Speaker’s chair is Non-Partisan. She allowed Rahul to speak a good 15 minutes. Why this previlege to your Messiah?
Sushma was hitting below the belt as you say…Duryodhan deserves a blow below the belt. that is not Adharma…
Why was Rahul Missing during the debate? Why he vanished after Addressing The Nation during Zero Hour?
Please do not take educated readers for a ride. Pls answer all questions raised above.

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It looks that author of this article follows Congress. Speech was full of dignity. Author should write about words of Sibbal, MAnish Tiwari, Diggi raja. If Gandhi wants to give speech then he should give his name to Speaker in advance. Zero hour is meant to raise the issue or answer with in 3-5 min. I think Gandhi have shown disrespect to parliament.

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Excllently wrtten blog. BJP never introstcts before speaking. They have ot learnt lession of Bipatrinism. That is why meeting their waterloo one after another Dwindled number in Loksabh, supportdCorrut chief Ministers in Karnataka and Chhatis Garh and Jharkhand. Always opposed sensible PM in deacdea who has changed the livin standards of miilions abd ever poorest of poor is getting 100 days work, RTI Acts, Nuclear Isolation lifted, economic growth of 8% plus, Absolutely honest PM leading by self example. What else nation needs?

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Rajeev Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:02 am

Col. Saheb lagta kai bada peg laga rakha hai…

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Raja Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:04 am

Are you so shameless “col”? 8% GDP? For whom? You filthy rear hole, what about the mega scams devoring countless crorers of tax payers’ money? DO you “col” pay any taxes? Unbelievable that worms like you supprot this communal filth of a writer!

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Amit Kumar Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:14 am

This nation needs A Raja,Sharad Pawar,Deshmukh,Chauhan,Kanimozi,Kalmadi..right??This is the biggest paradox of this nature. Idiots like u don’t would always be in society and this govt is thriving just bcoz of that.

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rob Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:19 am

Who has made this illiterate colonel… he can’t even spell right.

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manish Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 11:04 am

Mr. (I doubt if you are colonel) Khush Sahai. First of all you better check what are you typing/posting anything. you have made 100 spelling mistakes before telling BJP to introspect. Secondly, about your honest Prime Minister – CWG Scam, 2G Scam, CAG, Black Money and now recently Lok Pal so many scams in just last few years and you still ask what else we need??? Do you know that inflation rate is 14% in last two years big deal if the growth rate is 8%. and about this filthy article – I just have to say that the writer sucks and has no political sense whatsoever. This was one of the finest speech I ever heard in Indian Parliament. Not to mention BJP lead the way to Lokpal as accepted by Kiran Bedi too. Get ready to get your *** whooped because Mr. Modi is coming with a danda soon!!

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Thedre Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Manish, before you comment about the Colonel’s spelling mistakes, check your own language. You do not seem to know that in English, a new sentence begins with a capital letter and that it should be “BJP led the way” (which of course they did not) and not “BJP lead the way”. Your comment simply goes to show how people like you and the side that you support have complete contempt for those who disagree with you.

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lalit bagai Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 4:33 am

india is a country devided-

muslims will remain muslims first and last. that is the way they have been brought up to think. this is true of muslims in europe as well. the only causes which interest them are their own, and they have a deep seated antpathy for other religions and cultures.

that is reality, and will not change. europeans have accepted this. several europeans
have expressed the imposibility of getting muslims to change.

formation of pakistan provided a solution. despite oroblems pakistani,s prefer their
violent prone society to india. maybe muslims shoud be allowed to form muslim majority states, or zones where they can live on their own, safe from bjp and rss. it is an out of
box solution, but should be tried in some places- in kerala, azamgarh, kashmir valley.

hindus should be pleased with this too.

Mahendra Daga Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

Shri Rahul Gandhi’s name was not listed in the list of speakers for zero hour.Further,a speaker in zero hour is supposed to speak for a maximum of 3 minutes.I fail to understand by which logic Shri Gandhi was allowed to sermonise a written speech from a prepared text which he himself acclaimed as gamechanger .No body had stopped Shri Gandhi to incorporate his suggestions in the Government Lokpal which was presented in the house some days ago.Should we believe,one fine morning Shri Gandhi got this brilliant gamechanging idea.It may be worthwhile to note,that a similar ditto copy speech had already been given by her esteemed mother,Smt Sonia Gandhi in some forum a couple of months ago and this was reported in Times Now channel.

As for our Primeminister Shree Manmohan Singh,no body had charged him of directly receiving any gratification so it was a theatrics by him to challenge to check his personal assets.The charge against Manmohan Singh is that he knowingly allowed others to loot .It started with the UPA government in letting Shri Quotrocchi off the hook and also allowing him to withdraw the plundered money as the managed media also looked the other way round.The successive scams that broke out were all in the knowledge of our honest Prime minister and its impossible for him to wash his hands off.

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Didn’t expect anything better from you. It is one of the most lop sided and biased views. This journalist should be banned from writing. all his views are very communal and vitriolic. shame.

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dilwala Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 9:14 am

i’m guessing that you have an italian passport or that you desperately want one

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Congress truly deserves that kind of public humiliation….lying to the nation…looting the nation……i wonder opposition were so soft on them….i would rather smear the face of rahul gandhi with dog shit…..italian dog ie

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gsg Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Try doing that, and see what happens to you, my friend.

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Why is it that these pseudo intellectuals never criticize congress for the murder of sikhs? I have never seen any writer in this paper ever mention that?

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Expected comments!!What else can be expected from Hindustan Times ,a pro Congress newspaper. Why does Rahul Gandhi have a right to everything and who are you to second it.Where were you when Sharad Yadav and Lalu Yadav were commenting on almost everything and all of them were laughing.Who had given Rahul Gandhi the right to utter all non-sense.And if he has then the leader of opposition has the right to comment on it. Congress for all the days has been using the CBI,is the power house of corruption,anti-democratic party. The chair–ha ha ha aha …although a constititional post , everyone knows what it means.Governors we have seen in Karnataka ,MP,UP,and else where..how it is used by the Congress. Whatever she said was absolutely correct. He was allowed to speak even though he name was not in the list and without interruption for 15 min.That shows it all.
How so ever eductaed we are…God knows why in this country we always form opinions on biased lines.

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It looks like you have not heard the speech correctly. Or it’s just your heartache that is coming out.
I thought, this article might give some impartial account of that speech, but alas, its just gross, taken out of “letters to Editors” section of some urdu news paper.

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It perceives the comments of Zia Haq on the speech of Leader of Opposition were below belt rather. To recollect, Shri Gandhi was a mute spectator for 10days, besides in the Govt. was changing stance every day. Further, in the speech of the Leader of Opposition, it was clearly spelt out how the Chair, going out of the norms set by the House, allowed him speech for 15 minutes against 3 minutes, extendable to five.

The article appears to be highly biased and it is expected that the newspaper management, should think twice before giving permission for publication.

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Why do you think Rahul Gandhi has the right to read and not speak a sermon with thinly veiled threats during zero hour. Rahul Gandhi has the right to express what he feels, at least seeing him for so long we do not expect him to stoop to levels which his partyman are capable of, but not the way he was trying to do, with the intention of distorting the course of the deliberations and mislet the people.

By the way where was he on saturday. Hindsight his contribution to the most pressing issue facing the people India is just a 15 minute speech. Very lamentable…

It was good to know that as the govts’ sloppiness continues more and more “Govt. Sleeper Cells” are coming to the fore. Your defence of Rahul Gandhi was uncalled for and was actually below par.

What do you have to say one of the speech given by one of the young parliamenterians and minister in the union cabinet…..Jyotiraditya Scindia. Bipartisan and legendery throwing light on the pressing issue.

And lastly the Gujrat riots are about a decade old and not one and half decade as mentioned in this article. We remember it because pseudo secularists neve forgot to mention it in any speech.

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Ronit Sen Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

What more can be expected from a University drop-out, other than reading a prepared text. His mother, would, as commented by late Pramod Mahajan, if given pages from a phone directory would read that out at an election rally!
When all MPs are given a max of 5 minutes during Zero Hour, what is soooo special about the Rahul Vinci that he be given 15 minutes????? This writer feels aggrieved that the leader of the Opposition has “hit” the PM-in-waiting under the belt! That makes him a perfect boot-licker of the Italo-Gandhi mafia. Reminds me of the good old days of the Rajas and Sultans of medieval India, when hangers-on and boot-lickers would shout and scream at the fan-pullers whenever they would see a single bead of sweat on the monarch’s forehead.
This boot-licker would never admit that Rahul Vinci’s record in the Lok Sabha is far beyond anaemic or pathetic.

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In this article, Zia is showing that he is what he claims not to be, a muslim first (and an Indian next). This must be the reason why he is eulogizing an incompetent PM, who belongs to the Congress party, against an extremely competent leader of opposition in the lower house. Shusma Swaraj, who belongs to BJP. I would suggest a competition. Let the PM, who cannot speak one single word in public unless somebody has written it for him, have a debate on affairs of the nation, with the leaders of opposition, Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitly. The PM wins the coin toss. He can choose who he wants to debate with first and choose his own convener (Zia?). The next day, he has a debate with the other person and BJP chooses the convener. The Nation will be enlightend. We shall know which party should lead the country.
But Zia is not interested, precisely because he does not want the country to prosper, he wants the muslim interests in the country to prosper (not that anybody has any problem with that). Take the mask off, Mr. Zia.

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PM Reply:
August 29th, 2011 at 11:50 am

I fully agree with Abhi. Her reply in LS is the best I have seen after Bajpayee. It was tactical, aggresive, speech for the moment. Alas, this fellow Zia before writing something should understand the difference in outlook of MMS, RG vis-a-vis Swaraj. What a difference? The problem in this write up is you bring in Modi into everything and show a communal colour. Nobody understands , Gujurat remains the best governed state in the country now.

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What about LALU PRASAD YADAV ….speech……

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Such Krap writers should be hung in public, for humiliating the most patriotic peoples like sushmaji who tore the burkha of PM, Amul baby Rahul and this moneky Zia is licking their balls. kick such radical islamic porkistani agents out fo this country who for money will sell our country,please do it peoples, enough is enough by this krap jurnos.

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Wow! What mindset these people are having? If you are not with us You are wrong. Utter disgust for those who do not toe your line of thinking. So called educated people????????

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Leader of opposition rightly pointed how speaker broke the law for blue eyed boy. YEs congi sttoge might find this troublesome someo1 poitnign how their heor breaks law but it needed to be said.
Ironically this idiiot accuses Susham ji for not being on topic and suddenly otu of no freaking where pushed Narendra Modi is the article on parliament debate..

idiots practice hat you preach at least in the artcile where u r preaching

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Rajeev Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 1:51 am

Meira Kumar will even wipe Rahul’s rear without thinking twice.

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Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

Narrated ‘Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. I was ten years old and was still playing with my dolls. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle my breasts with his beard. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head in between my thighs and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

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tajender Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

this made in america literature.next time i will explain u BRAHMAS LUST FOR PARVATI,which is true.

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Sushma Swaraj correctly pointed out that the speaker broke all conventions in order to let Rahul Gandhi read out a piece of paper for 15 minutes during zero hour. Not only did Rahul Gandhi shamelessly proclaim that his monotone was a ‘game changer’, he did not even attend the ‘historic debate’. Sushma Swaraj, on the other hand, spoke specifics about the three poins that were being discussed in the motion.

Only a hardened bigot like Zia can write this kind of article, knowing fully well that the whole country saw the shallowless of his political favorite Rahul Gandhi and the eloquence of so many other speakers.

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i condemn the writer of this article…shame on you for such double standards…. i saw smt Sushma Swaraj’s speech live, and hence i m 1000000000% in her support….her speech was the best in LS so far…!! i was a congress supporter before,and now i like BJP more…:):)

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I have come to the conclusion that Zia keeps his job in HT just because “he is Muslim”. Any other person would be throw out for coming out with a steady stream of bad articles and posts. The fact that he didn’t mention that the speaker broke the rules to allow extra time for the prickling is enough to prove that Zia is just another congress feet kicker from the media.

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Raoul Vinci alias Rahul with fake Gandhi surname was carrying two lakh dollars for roaming around in USA with his girl friend. Times of India newspaper report dated 8-3-2005 said that Rahul Gandhi and his Columbian live in girl friend of Kerala backwater tourist centre fame, Juanita alias Veronique, who now live with him in Delhi after their secret marriagae, was arrested in United States of America’s Logan airport in Boston, by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) on On September 27, 2001 at the Boston airport in USA, for carrying $0.2 million without declaring it. It results in a mandatory two year jail sentence in USA. Rahul and his girlfried were released after nine hours of detention after NSA Brajesh Misra spoke to US autorities to release him. At that time, Atal Bihari Vajpayee was the Indian prime minister and Rahul Gandhi was not a member of the Lok Sabha. BJP was helping Sonia Gandhi not only in this but also altered our constitution to enable Sonia to contest elections. Traitor and sick steroid filled Vajpayee kept the whole information secret. Rahul Gandhi was traveling with Italian passport. A suit was filed on this on 8-3-2005 at the Lucknow high court. This shows that congress and BJP are the same and this stupid Advani has no brain.
bit.ly/aQ4NwS, times of India report
bit.ly/hYl81R, Antonia Maino alias Sonia
bit.ly/fe6xfb, India’s next pm is an Egyptian belly dancer

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gsg Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

Fantastic! Very well-researched. All you need to do now is go to Supreme Court with these facts.

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Small Bio of the blogger says he is attempting to “taking the phobia out of Islamophobia.” I hope he also get over his “BJPphobia” one day.

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Zia has conveniently forgotten what the leader of the muslim Ummah (Imam Bukhari) said. Imam Bukhari gave reasons on why Muslims should not be part of the movement. For once Zia, write an unbiased article, just once.

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tajender Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

anna hazare movement is media orchestrated plot to ignite civil war in india and establish brhmncl apartheid dictatorship in india.supreme judges will be brhmns.they will control everybody from there.our system is running because of corruption.most corrupt people will banish corruption.ha ha ha
war on parivar is the only way to finish exploitation and corruption.on middle and lower level indians are least paid in the world.because of exploitation which is worst form of corruption.
presence of sadhvi ritubharaanother communal ghandhi shows that movement is run by indian fascists through electronic media.

rss is local agent of international divisive forces in india.with the help of imperialist they have plan to occupy india like libya.kill and rob indian.they can not live without war and voilence.EVERY WAR MAKES THEM RICH.

SO BE AWARE.

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tajender Reply:
August 30th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

that is why fascists are taking extreme positions.

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August 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

@ RAJU

Wonder what happened to T U R D tajendar. Is he still alive

brother vijay i am here.enjoying ramadan in houston with my friends.tommorow is eid.

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Rajeev Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 7:55 am

Pretty sure almost 100% of your friends must be from Pakistan.

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tajender Reply:
August 31st, 2011 at 8:22 pm

not 100%but quite lot of them are pakistani.they are as good or as bad as we.only thing they dont hate india or hindus.like u people on blogg here.

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tajender Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 6:18 am

Why don’t these punjabis (khatris) convert back to hinduism? What is there in slavery of Arabic masters?

may be it is better than brhmncl slavery.i dont know.neverthless as per supremecourt hinduism is not religion.khatris as race are good people khao piyo aish karo.

Rajeev Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 12:47 am

So do you support their support for terrorism in India? Don’t tell me they don’t hate hindus and India…Most of them are mureeds of Zaid Hamid..

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 12:15 am

zaid hamid is banned and redicule in pakistan.how can i support terrorism in india.TERRORISM IS PERPETUATED by brhmnst and muslims are its victim.muslims in dindia are creator of wealth.creator of wealth want peace.hate spewing brhmnst agenda has no taker in country side.
so far 90%of terrorist caught in this henious crime are brhmns.they live for war voilence hate and lies.every voilence act makes them rich.

tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 12:19 am

Don’t tell me they don’t hate hindus and India

except those punjabi who are attach with army,most of punjabi love indians and want to become like indian.better go and see yrslf or check with sikh yatris coming from there.

Rajeev Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm

Why don’t these punjabis (khatris) convert back to hinduism? What is there in slavery of Arabic masters?

You should know Khatris are also aryans who destroyed your harrappa and Mohenjodero.

Taj

Please resume your medication.

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Nothing about Muhammad was moderate. He was tightly drawn, passionately emotional, filled
with enormous feelings of self-negativity, seeking to deal with those feelings in the timehonored
way of external controls, unflagging religious fanaticism and zeal, and rigid discipline. He could
not, however, master the passions that consumed him.

What were these passions? There should be no doubt that they were sexual in nature, but
what kind of sexual passions were they?

Searching once again through the hadiths and the quran and the sirats inevitable conclusions
begin to emerge that startle and surprise the reader. Muhammad’s passions seemed to be
incapable of being relieved. Why was that?

Muhammad himself had said that all men that person should marry, preferably virgins. He
married several times, including a six year old child when he was 52. He had teenaged
concubines and wives, mainly widows whose husbands he and his men had massacred.

Yet he never seemed to have satisfied the true origin of his lust, lust for other men. His pursuit
of young women and children were desperate attempts to arouse his libido that seems to have
been reserved for men.

A primary purpose of sexual activity in marriage, according to Muhammad, was to keep Satan
from tempting people through lack of self-control. Why, when Muhammad seemed to be so
consumed with a passion he could not control, would he resort to having sexual relations with
children when he was approaching the age of sixty, when most men in Arabia died by the time
they reached 40.

Muhammad has been perceived as basically negative toward women. He once said he had
visited hell and there were more women than men in hell. Hell to him was where the most
wrteched wnet. He was of the opinion that women had lower intelligence than men.

His abhorence for the female body made him prohibit all exhibition of the female form including
felame hair. This hate towrds the female anatomy was again a desperate attempt to subdue
his lust for men, humans of the same sex as himself.

The passion that burned so deeply in Muhammad did not seem to be related to the desire for
union with a woman. Why would that desire create such negativity in Muhammad anyway?
Marriage, married love, and married sexual desire were not thought to be evil or loathsome.
Muhammad’s sexual passions do not fit comfortably into this explanatory pattern. But what
does?

Obviously there is no way to know for certain the cause of Muhammad’s anxiety prior to that
moment of final revelation in the Kingdom of Allah. But that does not stop making educated
guesses. The value of guesses in this case comes when a theory is tested by assuming for a
moment that it is correct and then reading Muslim scripturesl in the light of that theory.
Sometimes one finds in this way the key that unlocks the hidden messages that are present in
the text. Once unlocked, these messages not only cease to be hidden but they become
obvious, glaring at the reader, who wonders why such obvious meanings had not been seen
before.

Many have suggested that that Muhammad was plagued by homosexual fears. This is not a
new idea, and yet until recent years, when homosexuality began to shed some of its negative
connotations, it was an idea so repulsive to Muslim people that it could not be breathed in
official circles. It is still lethal and dwells in high places in the life of the Muslim societies, and it
is a subject about which the Islamic clergy is deeply dishonest, saying one thing publicly and
acting another way privately.

When I suggest the possibility that Muhammad was a homosexual person, I do not mean to be
salacious or titillating or even to suggest something that many would consider scandalous. I
see no evidence to suggest that Muhammad ever acted out his sexual desires and passions
except on one occasion when he clutched the young boy next to him harder than men would
normally do if exhibting paternal instincts. He seemed to be truly in high heaven. He lived in an
age and among a people that cloaked the way he would have viewed this reality with layer after
layer of condemnation.

Muhammad must have felt tremendous guilt and shame, which produced in him self-loathing.
The presence of homosexuality would have created this response among Arab people in that
period of history. Nothing else, in my opinion, could account for Muhammad’s rhetoric, his
negative feelings toward the female, and his sense of being controlled by something he had no
power to change. The war that went on between what he desired with his mind and what he
desired with his body, his drivenness to a legalistic religion of control, his fear when that
system was threatened, his attitude toward women, his penchant for having sexual relations
with children as an outlet for his passion-nothing else accounts for this data as well as the
possibility that Muhammad was a gay male.

Muhammad’s religious tradition would clearly regard gay males as aberrant, distorted, evil, and
depraved. When discovered, gay males were quite often executed. Muhammad was the law
maker in that region. Since homosexuality was his condition, he knew well that by that Law he
stood condemned. His body was a body in which death reigned. He lived under that death
sentence. What Muhammad knew himself to be, the people to whom he belonged and the Law
to which he adhered called abominable, and Muhammad felt it to be beyond redemption. Is it
not possible, even probable, that this was the inner source of his deep self-negativity, his inner
turmoil, his self-rejection, his superhuman zeal for a perfection he could never achieve in the
sexual domain as illustrated by his adventures with female children?

Others have suggested that epilepsy was the condition from which he was not free. Epilepsy
was thought of as demon possession, but it was a periodic sense of being possessed by an
alien spirit, not a constant malady. Also, in the Arab narrative the epileptic elicited a sense of
pity, or at times fear, but seldom did it elicit despising or loathing. Epilepsy does not appear to
me to account for the intensity of the feelings that Muhammad expressed. The realization that
he was a homosexual male does. It is a hypothesis that makes sense of the data and accounts
for the tone, the fear, the passion, and the behavior.

If this hypothesis is correct, it also illumines in powerful ways Muhammad’s experience of
conversion to monotheism of the Jews and the Christians, and his move toward universalism.

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If this hypothesis is correct, it also illumines in powerful ways Muhammad’s experience of
conversion to monotheism of the Jews and the Christians, and his move toward universalism.

islam is religion of peace because islam stands for egalitarianism and reject concept of choosen people against the brhmnst concept of zoinism znd brhmnsm.where people are respected according to worshipping of god.in brhmnsm and zoinisism only they have soul.remaining humanity is like cattle.can be killed tortured robbed as per requirement.
brhmnsm and zoinism are voilent cults that is why more than half brhmns converted to islam.

but even remaining are sufficient to pauperize indians and destroy india.like libya.50000 of its citizens are murdered in nato strikes.country is taken to stone age just to fulfill the economic thurst of rothchild banker family.

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Jai Khosla Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

Taj

Looks like you forgot your medication again.

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tajender Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 11:54 pm

The Manuwadi Hindus destroyed Buddhism in its own land of birth. While Buddhism is widely spread across Asia, it had lost all traces in the land of its birth. Buddha was the greatest emancipator of Dalit Bahujans in India. He was the biggest challenger to manuwadis till Babasaheb came into picture. But the most cunning race on earth, the Brahmins infiltrated Buddhism and destroyed it in India. Adi Shankaracharya, the wily Brahmin pygmy priest destroyed Buddhism with the help of kings like Pushyamitra Sunga. The Brahmins destroyed the Buddha Viharas and converted the Buddhist Idols into Hindu gods. They made the great humanist Buddha into the ninth avatar of the inhuman Vishnu. The Brahmins are excellent fiction writers and their fictions are called Puranas. They have enslaved the people of India using these fictions.

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I HOPE U PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME,

George Bernard Shaw once mentioned that “Cricket is a game where eleven fools play and eleven hundred fools watch”. We at Dalitnation have changed Mr. G.B.Shaw’s words a little bit to reflect the modern Indian reality. We say “Cricket is a Game where eleven brahmins and upper castes play and eleven million sarvajan and bahujan fools watch and eleven hundred fools in the upper caste media comment and analyse this stupid Game.”

One look at the teams will clear up all your doubts. How the pappati pot bellied Brahmins have injected the caste system. Look at the list of Brahmin Indian cricketers: Sunil Gavaskar, Ravi Shastri, Anil Kumble, Javagal Srinath, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Sourav Ganguly, Vinoo Mankad, Ajit Wadekar, G.R.Vishwanath, EAS Prassana, Ishant Sharma, Yashpal Sharma, Chethan Sharma, Manoj Prabhakar, B Chandrashekar, K Srikanth, L Sivaramakrishnan, Dilip Doshi, Sunil Joshi, Rohit Sharma, Venkatesh Prasad, Ashok Malhotra, VVS Laxman, Murli Karthik, Sreeshashant, Dileep Sardesai, Sanjay Manjrekar,ML Jaisimha, Sudhakar Rao, TA Shekar and many many more. The 4% brahmins in India have on an average more than 70% representation in the cricket teams. The rest are occupied by other upper caste fellows like the jat Kapil dev, Yuvaraj Singh, Mongia, Rajputs Ajay Jadeja, Chethan Chauhan, Upper caste khatri sikhs Sidhu, B S Bedi, Harbhajan Singh. Out of fear of the muslims the sacred threadwallahs reserve some places for muslims like Azzarudin, Irfan Pathan, Pataudi, Kirmani, Munaf Patel. The indian cricket dressing room is virtually a Brahmin Agraharam. Even the recent under 19 team is full of Brahmins with surnames like Kauls and Sharmas. Based on the analysis we have found six Brahmins in this team of eleven and the rest are upper caste and one muslim

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RAJEEV,

In more physically vigorous sports like Hockey and Football the Brahmins don’t qualify so we don’t find the papans there. They would collapse due to exhaustion if they played these games. They need others to play these games. But these they don’t get any money for playing hockey and football. The Hockey and football federations have no money. All the money from the upper caste Business sponsors are given to this filthy casteist game of cricket.

Brahmins who never bothered to play any games and who spent all their lives memorizing the stupid Vedic texts found the leisurely game of cricket most suitable to their lazy temperament. Cricket is one of the most laziest games fit for people who have a lot of time to spare and not physically taxing. In cricket unlike in other sports there is less contact between players. This appeals to the Brahmin practice of untouchability. No wonder young Brahmin boys are sent to coaching camps by their parents to get into the cricket team. The Brahmin selectors, the players and Brahmin commentators form a mutual admiration society.

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Taj

Islam is indeed an egalitarian cult.

From the Quran:

4:34
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

4:15

If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.

4:24

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (slave girls) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 8:59 am

saattar choohe kha ke billi haj ko chalee.u have murdered 1 billion women .islam is the only nd breligion which provides right to property right to divorce right to choose husband and right to say no to house job to women.
ur bullshit is outdated christian propaganda.no more valid in present circumtances

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Jai Khosla Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm

So the Quran and the Muhammadan faith are invalid according to Taj.

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The Kashmir issue has been solved. According to rules laid down at Partition the ruler opted for
India as it was the only contiguous state with a ruler.

Junagadh and Hyderabad, both with Hindu majorities, are not contiguous to both India and Pakistan. The population of Kashmir at that time in 1947 was about 60% Muslim and 40% non-Muslim. In a tradition set by Muhammad who perfected ethnic cleansing, Hindus have been killed or driven out of Kashmir by Muslims and the call for a plebiscite is no longer valid. Furthermore the UN resolution of 1948 required Pakistan to pull back all its soldiers and mercenaries before a plebiscite can be carried out.

The UN recognized the validity of the ruler’s decision but wanted it ratified by the people and the
first condition it laid down was that Pakistan withdraw its soldiers which Pakistan has not done.

So plebiscite is no longer a valid option.

In Punjab non-Muslims had a percentage almost equal to Muslims and they , Hindus and Sikhs,
chose to go to India rtaher than be murdered by Muslims.

In Sindh non-Muslims were about 40% and most chose to flee to India to save their lives.

That is what Pakistan was all about. It was assumed that all Muslims would go to Pakistan.
Muslims in India have not gone to Pakistan and the argument that since Kashmir is majority
Muslim and therefore it should become a part of Pakistan is no longer valid. Nor is it valid that it
become independent as that was not an option for any state before Partition.

So the Muslims of Kashmir have one of two choices. They either stay in Kashmir and be part of
the Indian Union or move to Pakistan. Pakistan must vacate all areas occupied by including
areas such as Azad kashmir, Gilgit, Northern territories and China must vacate the area ceded
to it by Pakistan.

Pakistan can do what it wants , that is become an Islamic state aligned with the mideast and
therefore fully Arabic or become a secular state.

India has made its decision that it will be a secular state. Muslims have grown from less than
9% of the population right after Partition and are now 13%. Muslims are prospering in India.

Had they left India there may have been some room for a plebiscite. But since they did not
leave India for Pakistan Pakistan must get out of Kashmir and leave India alone.

We should all try to eradicate Islam in India by educating the Muslims about the the truth of
Islam–that is a false faith, an insult to God.

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 9:01 am

rubbish and lie.250000 muslims were mascared by raja and his hencemen on on 6th nov.1947.ethenic cleansing of muslims was done in jammu rsss gondaas.

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Muslims should stop insulting God by insisting that the Arabic idol Allah is God and that the Quran is the word of God.

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Muslims should stop insulting God by claiming that the pedophile Muhammad was the prophet of God, the Khatm-e-nabi.

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 9:11 am

bullshit.

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Muhammad’s sayings about women:

1“A nation headed by a woman shall never succeed”,

2”The worst sin and distraction from virtue that I have left for man is woman”,

3“When I stood on the door of hell, I saw most of its inhabitants were women”,

4 “Women lack brain and religion”,

5 “If I have commanded kneeling for somebody, I would command a woman to kneel for her husband”,

6 “If a man summoned his wife for intercourse and she refused, the angels will curse her till the dawn”,

7 “If a man summoned his wife for intercourse, she has to respond even if she was above the furnace”.

“The husband has the right to have sex with his wife even if she is above the camel”

8“A woman shall not fast without the permission of her husband”
Beating of women

In his Quran and Hadith Muhammad legitimzed the beating of a wife in the event of any dispute.

Violence, beating and physical power become the basis of marital relationships and traditions in the Muslim society for solving any problem.

Muhammad said in his Quran: “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of further punishment)9”.

So first the husband has to advise his wife, if she is not convinced, he shall abandon her sexually. If this doesn’t work, finally he has the right to punish and beat his wife.

In the last part of the sentence, the fairness of Muhammad is shown by saying “If the wife accepts the husband’s conditions, the husband shall stop beating her, because if he continues, this is cruelty”. And Muhammad is against cruelty! Muhammad himself had beaten his wife Aisha, hitting her on the chest10. Muhammad also said “The man has to hang his whip in a place where the whole family can see it” 11 and further, “Man shall not be questioned as to the reason why he beats his family” 12.

Muhammad’s orders of Female Circumcisions.

Muhammad adopted the Bedouin tradition of cutting away the clitoris by saying that circumcision is an obligation for men, and an honorable deed for women13. Muhammad explained the reason behind cutting away the clitoris: a woman may ejaculate before the man!!

Why is this a problem?

Because it will lead her to conceive a boy with female traits.14

This is what Bedouins try to avoid for their sons, as the woman is a symbol of weakness for Bedouins, they want their sons to be strong, fierce and violent.

Forced marriage

One of the most dishonest and unjust legislations of Muhammad against women is that of forced marriage. Muhammad said: “If a man fabricated the acceptance of a woman to marry her by bringing two false witnesses to confirm the marriage, then if the judge confirmed that marriage, although the man and the two witnesses knew that the woman did not accept the marriage herself, the marriage is to be considered legal and valid” 15.

This means that if a man proposed to a woman but she refused to marry him, the man can bring two false witnesses to certify that this woman is his wife, so his marriage shall be considered legitimate and the man has the full right to rape this woman as his wife. The woman shall not object to marrying him even if the marriage was fake, she is still forced into it, as this marriage is legalized by Muhammad. This law reflects Muhammad’s hatred for women. Any woman can be attained as a legal wife in any way and method, even if it means the use of cheating and forgery.

Muhammad legitimised adultery with a prostitute in his Quran by saying: “Seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their money as agreed; but if, after the money is paid, ye agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you”16. This means that if a Muslim man admires a woman that is not his wife, he is not considered sinful to entertain himself with her, provided she is willing and he pays her an agreed amount of money. In one saying he has permitted the temporary whoredom.17

Stoning women

The Bedouin punishment of adultery was whipping and exiling for one year. As Islam developed out of Bedouin thought and belief, Muhammad legitimised this punishment and quoted it in his Quran:

“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred lashes” 18

Muhammad said that the inspiring angel informed him about this punishment.

The first time that Muhammad witnessed the punishment of stoning was when the punishment was being carried out against an adulterous Jewish woman19.

He was astonished by the punishment and went to Jewish schools to learn more about it. Abdullah bin Salam, a former Jew who became a follower of Muhammad accompanied him. The Jews refused to tell him the truth regarding this punishment as they were aware of his intention of quoting all these details in his Quran and claiming it was an inspiration from the angel, so the Jews said they bind adulterous individuals, leave them in the sun and beat them and claimed there was no mention of the stoning punishment in the Torah.

Abdullah bin Salam challenged them by saying: “Liars!” Muhammad started to beg for an answer from the Jews about this punishment, saying “I ask you in the name of God, who gave the Torah to Moses, I ask you in the name of he who rescued the Israelis from the pharaoh’s punishment by parting the sea, providing clouds as shade and sent down to you Manna and quail” 20.

Muhammad kept begging until one of the Jews started to read the Torah while hiding the stoning chapter under his hand21, he read above and underneath his hand without reading this chapter.

Abdullah bin Salam took off the Jewish man’s hand saying “What are you hiding here?” The Jew answered “It is the stoning punishment”. From that moment Muhammad knew that the punishment of adultery is stoning, but he did not know its details, so Muslims have to refer to the Torah for that. Muhammad said in his Quran: “It was us who revealed the Torah: therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah’s Will” 22.

Furthermore Muhammad said: “My decisions and judgments are based on what is written in the Torah” 23.

Due to Jewish refusal, Muhammad did not quote the stoning punishment in his Quran. Muhammad practiced by himself the brutal and cruel punishment of stoning and legitimised it in Islam24.

The Muslim clergymen are now confused about the legitimisation of this punishment, as there is no quote in the Quran.

Muhammad despised women because he was a homosexual and discriminated against them even in the punishment of adultery. The adulterous man stands in the middle of a yard surrounded by Muslims who stone him. If he is lucky and the first stones are not fatal, he can run and escape. His punishment is complete and if he survives, it is considered as Allah’s will to rescue him. On the contrary, the adulterous woman shall be placed in a large hole and buried to the line of her shoulders, this hole shall be in the middle of a yard, surrounded by Muslims who stone her, but the woman can not escape, so Muhammad can ensure her death.

Muhammad claimed that the inspiring angle – the ghost – used to visit him several times a day and informed him of everything going on around, like conspiracies for his assassination, especially if plotted by Jews, such as Bani Natheer’s clan.

If this is the case, why did Muhammad beg for an answer from the Jews about the punishment of adultery? Why do we have to read the Torah to apply this punishment? And why did Allah send Muhammad and his Quran if we have to follow the Torah?

References

Sahih AlBukhari, wars, 4425

Sahih AlBukhari, fornication 5096

Sahih AlBukhari, fornication 5196

Sahih AlBukhari, Menstruation 304

Muhammad’s wives, al Sharawy Pg 66

Sahih AlBukhari, fornication 5194

Marriage and divorce in Islam , Ghassan Ascha Pg54

Sahih AlBukhari, fornication 5192

Quran , 4the women , An-Nisa 34

Marriage and divorce in Islam , Ghassan Ascha Pg 62

Marriage and divorce in Islam , Ghassan Ascha Pg 62

Marriage and divorce in Islam , Ghassan Ascha Pg 62

Musnad Al-Imam Ahmed saying number19794

Sahih Al Bukari, prophets sayings 3328 and Sahih Muslim , Menstruation saying 471

Sahih Al Bukhari, Al hee’ al , saying 6969,6970,6971

Quran , 4the women , An-Nisa 24

Sahih Al Bukhari, fornication 5116

Quran, 24the light , an-nur -2

Sahih Al Bukhari , Quran interpretation saying 4556

Ibn Kathir Pg 619 -620

Sahih Al Bukhari , Quran interpretation saying 4556

Quran ,5 the feast, Al –Maidah-44

Asbabb Al Nuzzul , Al Neassbory Pg 197

Sahih Al Bukhari , Al Muharben saying number 6830

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 9:03 am

i agree to all .even vivekanand said same.among hindus women comes below shudras whose murder is not sin.

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We moolnivasis had created the greatest civilization on earth in Harappa and Mohenjadaro. The Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this. But out historians don’t even talk about this. We have the living proof of harappa and mohenjadaro in pakistan. My heart bleeds when I see those ruins. How cruel thearyans are. This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes.. We should and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization. We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahminist a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.

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Jai Khosla Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

If you are a Muslim and a moolnivasi, you made your choice: pakistan. Harappa and Mohenjodaro are in Pakistan. So go to Pakistan. Even better. Go to Arabia and taste your masters’ payshaab fresh every day instead of the one day old payshabb you are tasting now. The Arabs will even kick your butt daily.

” Those who bit the hand that feed it usually lick the boots that kick them”.

India feeds its Muhammadans. Muhammadans bite India’s hands.

Arabs kick Indian Muhammadans. Indian Muhammadans consider that a blessing and lick Arab boots.

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 8:01 pm

saale chor india tere baap ka hai.india sab kaa hai.u thieves are sucking the rsources of india.u all are traitors ready to go to america and europe after enjoying subsidized indian education.
u high caste are 13%moolniwasis are 87%.u are sucking the blood of indians.

we are not mohammadans we are muslims.we follow the message of allah came through prophet mohammad(peace be upon him).
as per message arabs indians or inonesian are equal same and one.ur brothers polish the boots of arabs to get lucrative jobs over there.not we.

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Jai Khosla Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Taj

Here is a bunch of message from the idol of your Arab masters. What a message.

From the Quran:

4:34
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

4:15

If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.

4:24

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (slave girls) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Muhammadanism does not imply that Muslims worship Muhammad. To insist this must be the meaning indicates a poor understanding of the English language on your part.

An -ism refers to a doctrine, conduct, or system of thought; it does not imply divine worship. Muhammadanism simply refers to the doctrine, conduct, and system of thought that were taught by
Muhammad.

For example, terrorism does not mean the worship of terror. Darwinism is not the worship of Charles Darwin; it refers to his theory of biological evolution. Likewise, Hinduism is not the worship of Hindu, instead it refers to a complex set of beliefs that center around reincarnation, castes, customs, Vedic scriptures, and a multiplicity of gods. Judaism isn’t the worship of Judah (Yehuda) who was the fourth son of Jacob and Leah.

So there is no reason to object to the term Muhammadanism signifies that Muslims worship Muhammad.

Muhammadanism is better portrayal of the cult formed around Muhammad’s teachings. Besides Allah was created by Muhammad and to say that the Quran is Allah’s word is misleading. In fact it is a downright insult to God to say that the Arabic idol Allah is God.

English speaking Muslims know what -ism signifies, but some disingenuously insist that Muhammadanism still implies the worship of Muhammad. Yet, these same Muslims add the suffix -ism to words knowing that the resulting word does not imply worship. For example, they use the term, Marxism, to describe the system of thought that Karl Marx developed in Das Kapital. When they use the term, Marxism, they know that Marxists don’t go to sacred building to worship and pray to Karl Marx, and they would never suggest that Marxists revere Karl Marx as a divine object of worship. Now, if Muslims understand words like Marxism, Judaism, Hinduism, and Darwinism, why is it so difficult for them to understand the word, Muhammadanism?

Muslims refer to the Quran and the Sunnah of Muhammad as the basis for their religion. The Quran instructs Muslims to pattern their lives after Muhammad because he is thought to be the perfect pattern of conduct. That is why Muhammadans have no objections to old Muslim men having sex with 9 year old children because Muhammad when he was 56 took a 9 year old Child, Aisha, to bed and devirginated her.

To accomplish the task of becoming a Muhammadan or a Muslim, Muslims study many volumes of the hadiths, because these books contain his sayings and behavior (Sunnah).

The prophet of Islam is considered by Muslims to have been the most perfect of men, in fact the most noble and perfect of all of Allah’s creation, ashraf al-makhluqat. Allah bestowed upon him all
the virtues and all the perfections which the human state is capable of possessing.

As the Quran states, he did not acquire the state of prophethood by himself but was chosen by the idol Allah; furthermore, all of the virtues became perfectly actualized in him. Therefore, he is seen by Muhammadans as the perfect model for human life to imitate. He is the perfect or universal man, al-insan al-kamil and the Quran itself refers to him as the example to be emulated in the

verse, “Verily in the Messenger of Allah ye have a good example” (XXXIII:21).2

In fact, Muslims obey Muhammad as if they were obeying Allah. This shows the elevated place that Muhammad occupies. He is the second of the Islamic Trinity which is completed by the
Quran.

He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. Sura An-Nisa 4:80

These Muslim sources show the central place that Muhammad had in the establishment of his religion. That is why Muhammadans are ready to kill Jews because Muhammad killed Jews.

Islam is a term that carries many uncritical assumptions and biases that may not be freely investigated by Muslims. On the other hand, as a term, Muhammadanism does not ground itself upon these presuppositions.

Instead it critically assesses the truth claims of Muhammad in an objective manner that values academic and intellectual freedom. Most Muslims find this approach distasteful and personally
dangerous, so they reject this approach to the study of Muhammad.

In the back of some Muslims’ minds is Sharia law that demands the death of a Muslim who would deny an Islamic tenet where there is prior scholarly consensus.

Someone raised among Muslims who denies the obligatoriness of the prayer, zakat, fasting Ramadan, the pilgrimage, or the unlawfulness of wine and adultery, or denies something else upon
which there is scholarly consensus and which is necessarily known as being of the religion (N: necessarily known meaning things that any Muslim would know about if asked) thereby becomes
an unbeliever (kafir) and is executed for his unbelief.

On the other hand the term, Muhammadanism, has been used by scholars past and present who value intellectual freedom and the pursuit of truth. Because of this, the term, Muhammadanism,
is an enlightened and eminently appropriate term to use for the intellectual study of Muhammad’s teachings without assuming the uncritical presuppositions of Muslim believers. This is why
scholars often use the term, Muhammadanism, to describe the topic of their investigation.

There is no reason why a Muslim who values intellectual freedom, Taj you are not one of them, should not be offended by the term. Quite the contrary, you should encourage an unfettered study
of the teaching and life of Muhammad and follow the path of truth wherever it leads them. Your prayer should always be, ” Show us the straight way. al-Fatiha 1:6.

It will inevitably take you away from Islam because it is not the straight path.

Muslims should be able to walk this path without the dread of Sharia casting its dark shadow over our love and pursuit of the truth. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

Muhammadans, open your minds to love. Close your minds to Muhammad.

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tajender Reply:
September 2nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

put ur stupidities in ur *** with a greasy shvling and just fk off.

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30,000 Bombs On Libya
By Thomas Mountain
9-2-11

After some 8,000 bombing raids, with estimates of 4 bombs used per attack NATO has already dropped over 30,000 bombs on Libya. That’s almost 200 bombs per day for 6 months, some tens of thousands of tons of high explosives. With an estimated 2 Libyans killed per bomb and without a single NATO casualty the Western regimes have massacred over 60,000 Libyans in the past half year with the rebels themselves having said there have been 50,000 Libyan deaths. One hell of a humanitarian intervention isn’t it?

How the “civil war” in Libya has proceeded can best be described in light of the events of August 21. On that Sunday afternoon a BBC film crew showed a rebel column fleeing the approaches to Zawiya outside of Tripoli. With their tales between their legs, glancing fearfully over their shoulders as they fled wildly back down the road from whence they came, even the BBC presstitute on the scene could not contain his disgust at the sight. Once again the rebels had run into stiff resistance and had shown their true mettle by fleeing the fight.

The next morning a France24 reporter recounted how later that Sunday night she had accompanied these same rebels as they drove almost unopposed through Zawiya into Green Square in the heart of Tripoli, this time passing row upon row of bombed out still burning buildings.

This has been NATO’s war and while the world may not understand this, the Libyan rebels certainly do

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Jai Khosla Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 3:40 am

Taj

It appears to me that you were doing taste tests on Gaddhaffi’s payshaab too. Not that the supply from this Arab master has been cutoff you are feeling the pinch in revenues.

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tajender Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 6:09 am

jao goomtra piyo aur ja ke so jao.ghaddafi is african not arab.jahil

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Jai Khosla Reply:
September 3rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Aha, you are diversified!!! Payshaab of rich Arab masters and rich African masters!!! You must be living in jannat!!

tajender Reply:
September 4th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

Aha, you are diversified!!! Payshaab of rich Arab masters and rich African masters!!! You must be living in jannat!!

u bloody sindhis are as $licker and **** sucker of every rich man u are even sending women folkto them.i have seen u bstrds in middle east and africa.u are most corrupt race and teach corruption to whole world.hawala experts.

Another gem from Allah’s mouth.

33:50

O Prophet ! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridel price given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage to buy her), and those captives or slaves in your possession – whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and any believing woman( married or unmarried) if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those captives or slaves whom their right hands possess, – in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

My comments: the above verse is very powerful. The Arabic idol All legitimizes the type of women Muhammad can sleep with including slaves and married women, but makes the provision limited to Muhammad. He can have an unlimited number of wives. All other Muhammadan men can have only four wives at a time but an unlimited number of slave concubines.

What a god!!! Would any reasonable person worship this atrocity?? Be honest.

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he married with women.most of them were war victim.ur krishna used to sleep with 1603 apart from cuncubines used to fk neighbours wife called radha

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He used to kill their husbands before he married them, provided they converted to Muhammadanism. Saffiyya was a child of 15 when he murdered her husband. He stole all the property of her tribe and then added to her harem. He was a nearly 60 year old gizzard when he first raped her and he was not even married to her when he first took her to bed. He could have adopted her as his daughter or given to a trusted but younger aide. Dont try to excuse the criminal behaviour of this fake.

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tajender Reply:
September 5th, 2011 at 5:57 am

totally wrong and rubbish.he never killed anybody.truth is he married with women.most of them were war victim.ur krishna used to sleep with 1603 apart from cuncubines used to fk neighbours wife called radha

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Muhammad used to kill their husbands before he married them, provided they converted to Muhammadanism. Saffiyya was a child of 15 when he murdered her husband. He stole all the property of her tribe and then added to her harem. He was a nearly 60 year old gizzard when he first raped her and he was not even married to her when he first took her to bed. He could have adopted her as his daughter or given to a trusted but younger aide. Dont try to excuse the criminal behaviour of this fake.

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tajender Reply:
September 5th, 2011 at 7:26 am

I have no reason to be proud of being Indian where there still exists varna/caste/devdasi systems.The adi-bahujans are degraded .The Indian constitutional machinery is helpless to finish these systems as the rulers are manuwadis or their stooges .We must put our incurable problems on international platforms so that the international brotherhood may find solutions.The world bank may impose restrictions on Indian govt. to finish these systems in practice.
The foreigner Aryans penetrated in India have no sympathy for the under privilege aboriginal Indians because they ( Aryans ) are the real root cause of the main Indian problems.The never suggest the solution of the problems .They never encourage a person who finds solution of the problems.They create problems to make the lives of the shudras a hell .
Our Adi-bhagwan Valmiki was a feminist.He wrote in his Ramayna that the mother and mother land are superior to heaven ! Aryans`Bhagwan Rama banished his pious wife mata Sita without any reason. But Adi-bhagwan Valmiki gave her shelter in the forest.He made arrangements for education of her two sons.Her sons defeated Rama by force and Valmiki defeated Rama in dialogue .Sita suicided by jumping from a hill. .Rama also suicided by jumping in a river. ( Please read Valmiki ramayna for details ). The Aryans never have sympathy for Sita`s banishment.
Brahma also tried his best to rape his own daughter . She run in four directions but the Brahma had four heads.Then she floated in the air . But father Brahma made his 5th head to watch her in the sky . At this Bhagwan Shiv ji estranged with Brahma and chopped off his 5th head .Who was right ? Our Bhagwan Shivji was right ! This proves that Bhagwan Shiv ji was an ancient feminist . The Aryan Bhagwan Brahma was totaly wrong .That is why the Aryans also have not a single Brahma temple except at Pushkar near Ajmer ( Rajasthan ) ! When will the Aryans also self impose ban on varna system created by the mischiveous Brahma which Dr. Ambedkar`s constitution banned ?
Brahma also performed an havna jag in which his annoyed wife refused perspicuously to share it.Then his brother Indira abducted a yadva girl Gayatri to be wife of Brahma at the havan yag .Her father objected but he was compelled to leave that place.There is also a Gayatri mantra .
There was an interesting write-up regarding a legal fight at the Ajmer ( Rajasthan ) courts between the priests of Brahma and his wife`s separate temples at Pushkar (Ajmer) published in the IndianExpress,Chandigarh edition dated 1st July 1997 ..The priest of Brahma temple filed a case in the court against the priest of Mrs.Brahma to claim the right on the offerings of Mrs. Brahma temple as according to Hindu law husband had right on wife`s property etc.. The priest of Mrs. Brahma temple gave proofs in the court that they divorced one another ! Therefore he has no right on Mrs. Brahma temple`s offerings ! How the Aryans exposed their own Bhagwan Brahma for money.
Bhagwan Vishnu raped innocent and pious mata Varinda and murdered his husband Bhagwan Jalandhar founder of Jalandhar city (PB.) Please read the uttar khand of the Padam Purana ,the Jalandar Distt. Gazetter of Punjab govt.and watch a movie the Tulsi Vivah .There is mata Varinda mandir near Guru Ravidass High School ,Kishan pura Jalandar city.There is a ststue of Bhagwan Jalandar in the mata Baraaaaijeswari mandir at kangra ( HP ) and a JALANDAR BEACH ad DEO ( UT ) near Gujrat ! The Aryans never condemn the rapist Vishnu.His brother Indira also raped mata Ahillya wife of rishi Gautam ( Please read Valmiki Ramayna and Ramanand Sagar`s visual Ramayna.).They even worship rapist Vishnu and his incarnations They also worship Varinda as Tulsi wife of Vishnu.Varind cursed Vishnu that one day he will be woebegone in departure of your wife as I was on the departure of my husband Jalandar..They( Aryans)worship both the rapist Vishnu as well as the victim Varinda @ Tulsi.What a brilliant bent of mind of the Aryans ! The followers of rapist Vishnu dev created devdasi system to humiliate women of aboriginal Indians.They will call you a terrorist and will laugh at you because your good self is ready to annihilate the devdasi system.We are whith you in thes common cause because devdasis are our sisters and mothersReply

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