Swamy taunts us again. We couldn’t care less



Politics in advanced democracies is often characterised by conservatives on the one side and liberals on the other. In India, even though we follow a multi-party system, the political pendulum often swings from the right to the left, with a vast swathe of centrist space between them.

We have liberals all right, but we have cultural zealots for conservatives. We don’t really have principled intransigents, such as the Reps or Tories.

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), a nationalist right-wing party, has not been able to evolve into a real conservative party of consequence. If conservatism is about principled intransigence and opposition to “non-negotiable” liberal demands related to politics, economy, taxation or foreign-policy matters, the BJP has so far showed proclivity for only cultural conservatism. Cultural nationalism remains the BJP’s only calling card.

Obviously, the standards set by the BJP are adopted or excelled by its adherents in other like-minded parties.

The one-man Janata Party’s chief Subramanian Swamy recently wrote a hate piece in a newspaper, calling for suspension of voting rights of Muslims until they accept and take pride in their alleged “Hindu past”.

Swamy appeals to all the Hindus of the country to unite against radical Muslims. I wonder why he counts Muslims out. He asks them to take inspiration from the Jews. He also wants Hindus to “propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.” This is the mindset of Neo-Nazi radicals in Europe and elsewhere too.

Two years ago, I bumped into Swamy at Deoband, the small UP town where Darul Uloom, an important Islamic seminary is located.

At Deoband’s circuit house, I spent an hour with him over tea. He didn’t appear half as fanatic as he usually is. He also took pains to convince me that he is not against Muslims, going on to even say how his daughter is married to a Muslim family. (His daughter Suhasini Haider, an anchor with CNN-IBN, is married to a son of Salman Haider, former foreign secretary and external affairs minister.)

My instant thought was that Swamy should not have referred to his daughter, because marriage is a very personal decision. In any case, a father whose daughter is married to a Muslim household can hardly be the evidence for not being a bigot.

Since Swamy had no compunction in bringing up his daughter’s marriage into a Muslim household in our conversation, I now think if Swamy is serious about his macabre revisionist agenda, then he may have to start at home. Swamy and his ilk are products of India’s poorly conceived political conservatism.

What, exactly, is demanded of Indian Muslims by people like Swamy? They are always asked to “mainstream” themselves. To belong in the mainstream is a good thing, but what does it mean in this context? It means Hindu nationalists want Muslims to stop being who they are and start becoming one of them.

I wonder why Muslims alone should be shifting boundaries. What is the much-vaunted mainstream doing to spread its margins so that it integrates us, one would like to ask? The “mainstream” is not a one-way street. We reject Swamy’s demand to mainstream. We rather stand for integration with equality.

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  • Raju Kurien

    Zia

    Obviously you care. That is why you wrotethis. Shame on you; you should have used another title!

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    Mohsin Reply:

    Why… because truth is bitter? Listen buddy, why do you want to divide our country based on religious on caste lines? You know very well that Subramanyam Swamy is also anti-Dalit

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    Kulvir singh Reply:

    I am an Indian. My dad is a sikh, mom is a muslim. My maternal grandparents hated us, untill my dad helped them to come out of financial crisis. Who cares these days? I used to think, this zia guy is moderate. We r indians first than hindu muslim or sikh. Its just bcoz most muslims r uneducated and students harrassed in madrassas by mullahs.

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    RajX Reply:

    Zia is moderate by Muslims standards but the standard for moderation among Muslims is very low. A RSS guy maybe considered as an extremist by most Hindus but I doubt if the RSS equivalent of a Muslim organization will be considered as extremist by most Muslims.

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  • S Singh

    Why would people like Zia care for a one man party of Swamy?

    Obviously he wants to use this to broadbrush all Hindus.

    However, when it comes to terrorism, he does not want to use the term “islamic terrorism”!

    Like any Muslim, he has double standards!

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is nothing but pure unadulterated hogwash.

    There is a great deal of difference between “Islamic Violence” and “Islamist Violence”, as Zia on a number of occasions has pointed out that the first one does not exist, and the second one is the phenomenon we all observe.

    Only Islmophobes – like you – insist on the existence on the first.

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    Das Reply:

    Humans are human across the world, with remarkably similar hopes, fear, aspirations, ethics, and morality. But history informs us, and many Indians want to forget, that many as mass murders, holocausts and in conflicts have risen and continue to arise from ideological differences. Unless Indian are blind, there is one religious ideology that is now responsible for the disproportionate violence across the world. Many more informed people and liberal voices, ranging from Naipaul, Christopher Hitchen, O’Brian have been disturbed by the ideologically driven fissures of this so-called religion. Whilst in most other societies religions is being sidelined, unfortunately trend is in the reverse direction in Isalmic paradise.

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    tajender Reply:

    muslims are the victims of voilence.they dont perpetuate voilence.

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    Das Reply:

    Ask that to Hindus/Sikhs who were expelled from Pakistan after 1947, and numbers reduced from 20 per cent to less than 1%, or Hindus and Chakmas who comprised 30% in B;desh now reduced to 15%. Those who exit in these paradises are brutalised, the Taleban asking every Sikh and Hindu in Afghanistan to bear yellow arm ribbon so that they can be identified as Kaffirs arose from them following their ideology based on their religious scripture. Yes Muslim are victims of violence, but it is from their fellow MusSouth lims, but Muslim dish this violence to kaffirs more readily. The world knows that and no amount of repeated lying, spinning stories and suppressing historical evidence of vioelnce unleashed this religion can hide the truth.

    Rocky Reply:

    Next you will say that Islam is a religion of peace. What a hogwash?

    Raj 911 Reply:

    Tejinder: Please document some evidence of your statement: muslims are the victims of voilence.they dont perpetuate violence.

    If you don’t have the proof, please don’t insult your own whatever intelligence you have.
    Have a respect for yourself.

    tajender Reply:

    Tejinder: Please document some evidence of your statement: muslims are the victims of voilence.they dont perpetuate violen

    i million killed in iraq hundreds of thousands killed in afghanistan.in india during these years sit chiefs were competing in atrocities and robbery.nobody has killed less than 100 innocent muslims in this process.on a pil in the account of one police inspector govt found 3000 crores.50%media and politicians takes.just imagine the amount of robbery on a poor people.
    inspite of this u ask this question.this is only tip of iceberg.

    A Prakash Reply:

    The writer not once uses “Mumbai” in his writeup! It is as if the blast never happened or Jehadis never did it. He has proved the point Swamy was trying to make. People would only give lip service to Hindus killed in Mumbai blast.

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    tajender Reply:

    26/11 was carried out by brhmnst by hiring muslim gunmen.

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    RajX Reply:

    Hahaha! Tajender, good one. You are even better than zaid hamid. He at least said that the gunmen are Hindus and kasabs real name is Amar Singh.

    tajender Reply:

    why no enquiry commission was formed and who killed terrorists and mutiliated their faces.

  • shan

    @Zia, i am with you on this . But you seem to have lost your way about what is an Indian. The fact of the matter is if i deeply beleive in and obey all the hindu edicts and you zia beleive and adhere to all the islamic edicts , THERE IS NO MEETING PLACE. What I like to see is a india where Indians are defined by a SOLE CREED of humanity and plurality , where religious practices are just ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS , NOT THE ONLY WAY. Thus if I follow hindu practices , should not prevent me from joining in Eid clelebration , nor if you follow muslim practices , should not prevent you offering anjali at durga puja ,or lighting diya at Diwali.THIS MAKES US UNIQUE , THIS MAKES US INDIA.
    Any other path is a path of self destruction , archaic , and not keeping with the AGE OF SCIENCE AND THEORIES OF EVOLUTION AND SYNTHETIC BIOLOGY, AND CLONING AND SUPERSTRING THEORY TO EXPLAIN EXISTENTIALQUESTIONS.
    Religion is at best a cultural anchor and psychotheraphy at worst causes mayhem

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    abhi Reply:

    @shan
    What you have written here could be very hurting to our muslim brothers. inviting them to durga puja is insulting their faith, lighting diya is the biggest sin as per their faith. Don’t bring these controversial topic and there will be peace.
    It will be ok if you join them in Eid, you can even say salam to them, but don’t expect the same back from muslims as saying salam to non muslim is the sin which will not be forgiven by Allah.

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    RajX Reply:

    Shan, not sure if you had noticed it or not, Zia seems to suggest that Indian Muslims don’t have a Hindu past by using the term “alleged Hindu past”. One more thing he snuck in is that having a “Hindu mindset” is equivalent to neo nazism. I doubt if Zia is going to offer Durga Pooja anytime soon since he seems to not even accept his “alleged Hindu past”.

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    shan Reply:

    Sadly zia’s ilk in pakistan called MOHAJIRS are thought to be inferior species and TOO DARK SKINNED for the punjabis and pathan’s liking .Sadly the UMMAH MALAKI comes of no use.
    mohajirs are dumped into the slums of ORANGI district in karachi

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  • manujsk

    Zia, we still can see through you! You are no different from the bunch of jokers in AIPLM and the madrassas at Deoband. What works for them is that they have a following. And you are still attempting. If anything, you seem to have a following amongst the “Hindu zealots” (did I just use a redundancy?). Go through or last several posts, and all you have been doing is defend Islam in its current form and understanding. Shame on you that you tried to title your blog in a way, which many thought that you were likely to take a more modern world view, a more rational approach to life. You have lost the plot, but the likes of Mr. Vinod Sharma see a able crutch in you still.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manuj

    I can feel the heat coming out of this rant, perhaps you can elaborate on some of the accusations that you make and thereby throw some light on the issue.

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  • Jai Khosla

    Zia

    What we want all Muslims to do is to keep their word that once they got Pakistan they would go there.

    Now keep your word so that we can build a non-Muslim secular India.

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    shan Reply:

    India is secular , with or without muslims , RSS , Bramhinical orthodoxy and caste oppression notwithstanding.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Jai Khosla

    Remind me who, when and where did any one say that when Pakistan was created that A L L Muslims will go to Pakistan.

    When you say a non-Muslim Secular India, what you mean is a HINDU FUNDO INDIA.

    Let me remind you that this idea has perpetually lost the Jan Sangh and now the BJP the elections. Which means there are not many takers of this segregationist proposition.

    Did Golimarkar, Jugadkar, and other walrus moustached idiots from Nagpur say this.

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    uhavelowiq Reply:

    I am a common person having no affiliation. But I think people like you are so stupid not to realise that the only muslim majority state is J&K where they want to be with Pakistan or a separation. The partition and then the example of J&K and other examples all over the world clearly show that they can’t and they don’t want to live peacefully with other communities. It was the congress traitors who didn’t allow complete partition of India. Its a common sense that if Pakistan was a Muslim country definitely the remaining was Hindu country which included Sikhs, Jains, Parsis, Budhists and all others. In fact Muslims have left no right to ask anything more. Now Kashmiris are asking separation. In future if they gain significant percentage in some state they will again ask for separation. So how many times will go on doing partition of the already partitioned country.

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    tajender Reply:

    population transfer was not part of partition.terrorist rss used slogan based on lies to ignite bloodbath.

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    Raja Reply:

    So you justify pakistan and on top of it blame Hindus too for it?

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    tajender Reply:

    yes.muslims never wanted pakistan.they were provocated to ask by hindu revivalists.who had plan of controlling and robbing india and indians.this what we see now.

    Das Reply:

    If it was not then why did Congressis allow **** Hindu/Sikh population to be decimated

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    tajender Reply:

    it was not decimated things are other way around.hindus left for better future in india,nobody ever asked them to go.

    tajender Reply:

    hinduism means slavery of brhmns.

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    Raja Reply:

    Islam – terror to existence of human beings on the entire earth!

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    Sujoy Gupta Reply:

    You are not doing yourself any favors by targeting an entire religion like others here are targeting Islam. Bigotry cannot be fought with bigotry, and that is my message to Hindu fundamentalists here as well.

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    sanju Reply:

    Have you read history of hinduism.read ramayana and mahabharat.evebody was respected as per their work.That was real hinduism.everybody was happy.not like you people always have hatred towards hindus .Hindus give place to live when people came from other part of world.
    But Hindu kings were not unite when Muslim Daku came to India from arab side .that was the big issue.they converted people who is Muslim in India approx 99%.Some muslim kept their last name like rana etc etc.Swami wanted to tell those things.This article is not intelligent article it is not anywhere near to Swami’s article.these people like Zia only write about BJP and RSS and trying to abuse them in their words but not presenting any logic.

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    Indus Darya Reply:

    Jai:
    The RSS and its political wing the BJP are in a time warp. They are effectively the mirror image of the muslim league and the islamic parties of pakistan who subscribe to the ridiculous idea of a muslim pakistan and a hindu India. And where has it got pakistan! A failed state that is morally politically and economically bankrupt. Take note. The future of the world is secular. All religion is man made claptrap.

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    Raja Reply:

    Yeah ! Ask the deobandis who oppose RTE! Enslave their women under burqua! Which secular weed you smoke? Do you belong to the Fai gang taking money from ISI and spewing venom on Hindus to impose your secular shariat?

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  • Ben

    India Hindus are soft and stupid. They are cowards, they cannot speak up for themselves. They cannot protect,upheld their religion and culture. The moosalman and sikhs are making india looking like a garbage dump. The muslims and sikhs stole 450 billions US dollars from india and they are forming communities abroad, and they are killing the hindus in india. The hindus are walking sickly and with dirty clothes all over india. The hindus cannot run anything- the country needs young energetic leaders, not sickly, embarassing and inferior looking politicians. The pakistanis and india muslims are running bollywood, and all the money are funding terrorism . The stupid hindus flocked to the theater to watch garbage embarrassing muslim movies. Now all the muslims want to be on television and stupid bollywood movies. The muslims with the help of stupid hindus destroyed the career of hindu actor – arjun rampal, hrithik, akshay kumar, abhishek etc. The hindus raised their sons to be like women and gave their daughters to foreign men and non-hindu men. The hindus never did anything to empower their hindu youths. That is why they have no confidence and they look like little, weak, inferior cowards.

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  • shan

    @zia let me correct you on one point You mention Tory party of UK being principled intransigent.
    They may be intrasigent on matters of RACE and NATIONALITY, they definitely ain’t PRINCIPLED.
    a COMMON THEME IN tORY PARTY CONFERENCES HOW BRITISH CULTURE IS DILUTED BY ARRIVAL OF “STRANGERS FROM A DIFFERENT SHORE”.
    This is used in every election and has aquired a name called RACE CARD.
    Churchill’s grandson is one such bigot who gave a speech on how” british way of life”(booze and cheap sex I suppose) is being allowed to suffer because of multiculturalism.Another is the slum(chingford Essex) dweller Norman Tebbit , who wanted immigrants to pass the cricket test. Which team you support England or your parents country of birth)
    As for Swami , that his daughter married a muslim may have hardened his outlook about muslims.
    Exactly similar thing happened in UK. When a black candidate was hoisted upon the local party as a tory candidate in cheltenham , the local boss said “We dont want a nigger to represent us”. The black candidate lost the safe Tory seat by 5000 votes first time a tory losing a seat in cheltenham.
    TIME TO SAY WITH GARV MERA BHARAT MAHAN.

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  • Raju Shah

    Hindus have every right just like muslims and christians , to convert these people back to HInduism. After all they were formerly Hindus. Let me know if I am a bigot for saying this.

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  • Yashvin Patel

    Muslims in India are converted through force, inducement or deceit. Very few like AR REHMAN converted due to devotion. People like REHMAN accept their Vedic ancestral roots. Promlem with imported intolerant faiths is like in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Vatican ‘can’t accept plurality with tolerance’.

    Very easy to preach Hindus as they are tolerant people through their Vedic Culture, which converted Muslims of Afganistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc fail to accept. Swamy has highlighted a problem of deceit and treachery of intolerant imported faiths. Pakistanis are used in Behrain to crush movement of democracy and Zia ul Haq used Pakistani soldiers to crush Palestanian cause in JORDON. Now Pakistan is using Indian Muslims on the name of Islam to blow up India.

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    tajender Reply:

    conversion is liberation from continous brhmncl slavery and huniliation.

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    tajender Reply:

    creation of hindu samaj was the first major terrorist action in indian subcontinent,where 85%of population was forced to accept their lower position by force.

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  • Mohammed

    And why is Hindu midnset a Nazi mindset? Clearly shows you are a supporter of Taliban, and you would love to kill Hindus and non-muslims in general? Yes?

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  • n. sastri

    all religions have extremists. but there is a violence and backwardness problem in islam that dwarfs the problem in hinduism, judaism, and christianity. no other religion has a worldwide jihadi terorrist network bent on world domination. no other religion has members who blow themselves up in public or fly planes into buildings. the world has a muslim problem. and the so-called moderate muslims sit around and complain about discrimination but they never ever criticize their own terrorists. lets face it, most of the world’s conflicts arise because of islam.
    mr. swamy is NOT advocating violence against muslims. however there are many many muslims in india who advocate violence against hindus. why don’t you write about them mr. zia? instead of whining about hindus, mr. zia, why don’t you take action against your own terrorists (and there are a lot of them) or do something to uplift the backward muslim community?

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  • Jai Khosla

    The demand for Pakistan was most strident among Muslims in what is today India. that is because they were a small minority, about 10%. The Muslims in What is today Pakistan were not all that crazy about Partition. The Bengali Muslims did want Partition because Hindus were over 45% in undivided Bengal. Remeber even the traitor Jinnah was settled in Mumbai.

    After Partition the Muslims in what is today got cold feet. They did not want to go to a land that was uncivilized and undeveloped. They cajoled Nehru who was ever ready to sign the Nehru Liaqat pact that forbade any further migration of Muslims to Pakistan. It was signed in 1951 by which time most non-Muslims had either been driven out of Pakistan or killed.

    Had Muslims kept their word we would have 150 million lees people in India and a much more developed country without the threat of terrorism.

    if Muslims do not keep their word then Partition is moot and we have every right to take back Punjab and Sindh.

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    Naveed Reply:

    Muslims of India deserve better than to live under the oppression of Hind-India. They deserve a separate homeland.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    They have a separate homeland . It is called Pakistan. Now they should go there.

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    tajender Reply:

    partition was the conspiracy of brhmnst to weaken muslims then rob india and enslave indian mainly mentally then physically.target achieved as 49%of our women are enemic.

    first call for partition came from a lahori bania lala lajpat rai.later terrorist rss also asked for it.then nehru-ghandhi were involve in it.

    brhmns dont love india being foreigner ,they wanted absolute control for complete mental and financial enslavement.

    muslims were the major victim of this conspiracy.they never supportedpakistan.landlord of up were asking for this because bania controlled congress was asking for agragarian reform to pauperize them and take their land.

    ab brhmns ne india ko corrutiop mein duba dia hai.

    regarding this notorious tamil brhmn.i pity him.he came to india from new york via israel
    with torch of intellectualism in his hands and unneccesary abuses for muslims in his mouth.i still remeber the day.
    it is not secret that he is cia agent.had problem with bajpai.
    now brhmncl toilet paper media belonging to his tribe is supporting him to have some follower.
    solution

    catch him,give him injection then take him to nearby lunatic cntre.brhmns are 2%and foriegners while minorities including musims are 35%.

    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajener,

    Very good joke. tks.

    whatdoumean Reply:

    The first partition should have been complete and more time should have been allowed to move Hindus and Muslims to their respective countries. It was the greed of Nehru to become PM soon which resulted in hasty partition and massacre of hindus and muslims in bloody riots. In fact hindus have been eradicated from Pakistan. Congress is stained with the blood of all those innocent people and nobody including so called right wing has ever raised these fundamental issues.

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    Sahil Reply:

    Yeh yeh, muslims are always victims. Let it by Thailand, China, Russia, France or US. The cruel world, mainly evil jews, hindus and christians want to get rid of poor, tolerent and peaceful muslims. Osama and company has always said this.

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    RajX Reply:

    You already got one called Pakistan. You are free to go there. I am sure people will be happy to pay for ur tickets if it’s one way. By the way, get ready to be called “mohajir” in ur Islamist homeland. That’s what they call the muslim immigrants from India in Pakistan. “Naveed, the mohajir” ..hmmm.. Sounds kind of grand. You should go.

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    Stephen Reply:

    usually I do not reply to comments like its.But I feel your information and facts are distorted. If you read through history it is not Jinnah who is a traitor but it was Gandhi who lacked the will to tell Nehru to step aside and make Vallabhai Patel the PM of India.

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  • Naveed

    It is not a question of one man, a mental ******, irrespective of his degree from Harvard, the real issue is that a vast majority of Indian Hindus feel and behave the same way as this imbecile Swamy wrote in his piece. He should not be suspended or removed from Harvard Faculty. I see clear collusion between Hindu Extremist (about 90% of Indian Hindus of India), Christian Extremists and Zionists (Jewish Extremists) to undermine and to disparage Islam. I will tell Swamy that yes, my ancestors were Hindus and I am not at all proud of that. I thank those in the lineage who chose Islam as their faith. Islam is a religion of equality, equanimity, justice, piety and giving away your wealthy belongings. It is the spirituality of Islam that scares such scholars. As they understand it well and because of fear they write such commentary. He disgraces Harvard University and his ancestors by writing such bigoted and hate filled articles. Time will disgrace him, as all bigots meet the same end, there is no need for Muslims to protest, no need to ask for his removal from Harvard University. Such people will bring down the institutions of hatred and bigotry and Harvard will meet the same fate.

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    teachthistotaliban Reply:

    Teach this theory of Islamic equality to Pakistani and Afghani Talibans who don’t even allow music or any sort of creativity. If you see the videos of women stoned to death in Islamic countries you will not be able to watch if you have an iota of humanity left. There we have the worst record of human rights and no minority rights and they are the strict followers of Islam.

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    sunil Reply:

    Keep living in your own cocoon…my friend. My way or no way. That is how a lot of fanatic Muslims look at others. If I am wrong, tell me one good reason why have a Muslim name on your passport raises eyebrows literally anywhere u go in the world?

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    Jack Reply:

    ‘Naveed’ as Jai Khosla said –go to Pakistan. Nuff said. Go Naveed Go!

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    Indus Darya Reply:

    All religions profess equality , justice, peace etc. It is not peculiar to islam. Get that through your head. Second, islam spread as a poltical force and plundered and looted other peoples as did the empires before be it in Hindustan, Persia, China, Europe , America., etc. So get off your high horse.
    Islam is a defeated civilisation and the bearded retards cannot recreate the 7th century. As for giving away your wealthy belongings, charity begins at home How about you making a start.Tell that to the primitive beduins who rule saudi arabia.
    You need to get your head examined

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    tajender Reply:

    hinduism is the only religion which says that man is born unequal.jew have theory of coosen people.christianity too is not totaly egalitarian.islam is the only religion whih stands for egalitarinism.
    remaining all your point are nothing but bs.

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    Raj 911 Reply:

    You are a Muslim hiding behind a Sikh name. Shame on you.
    Secondly, please make some sense by reading your own write up and revising it.
    Wake up from your seventh century slumber!!!

    rohit Reply:

    Yeah right!!! Giving no rights to your women is egalitarian, keeping them in burqas is egalitarian, marrying 4 women is egalitarian and divorcing them by saying ‘talaq’ 3 times is egalitarian. Wow Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi, Iran are such egalitarian societies. Shame on you ‘tajender’ and your muslim brethrens, get real dude – open your eyes and see what’s really happening in the world. Its fast becoming a Muslim Vs. Non-Muslim world and you know that you’re on the wrong side.

    Vic G Reply:

    If Islam did indeed profuse equality of men, why are there so many Arabic cultural ethos stamped onto it which are non-negotiable.

    Islam seems more like a Arab cultural imperialism than a global religion. It propogates superioirty of Islam itself while demonizing everything non-Islamic.

    If Islam though all men were equal, it would not look down upon non-islamic religions. It would not force people to convert. The dichotomy is unbearable.

    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    Great joke. tks.

  • desi

    Those who have studied and worked with common Muslims know much more reality than people like Zia, Rahul Gandhi or any other congressi. I have seen many Muslims openly used to boast that they keep bombs and firearms in most of their houses and it is so common. Because of political interference it is so difficult for police to raid. Also not only in India, even in UK there has been substantial evidence that Muslim groups and gangs have been targeting white girls, hindu and sikh girls enticing them in love, drugs etc and then forcing them to convert to spread Islam. See just a glimpse in http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344218/Asian-sex-gangs-Culture-silence-allows-grooming-white-girls-fear-racist.html .

    It is huge shame that people can’t call spade a spade. In India and all over the world they are even afraid to recognize the issue and confront it. Its like hiding your head in sand and wishing that there is no Islamic terrorism. Just by saying that there are some odd groups in other religions you can’t wash your hands of the growing terrorism issue somewhere emanating from this closed mentality of Islam.

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  • Mohsin

    In India there are approximately 23 crore Muslims, 55crore Dalits, couple of Crores each of Christians, Sikhs, Jains etc. Now Subramanyam Swamy’s one-man Brahmanical Tirade we have seen against Dalits, Christians and Muslims is nothing but hatred. Either he has lost his mind or is Racist to the core. If not, how come he is against the entry of Dalits into temples, h de-franchisement of Muslims ? He is a bigot hell-bent upon throwing wild ideas which would result in virtual Civil War in the country. He wants the country to fail just like Pakistan with ethnic and religious killings taking place every day without any trace of law and order. Only RSS hatred-filled philosophy would support Subramanyam Swamy, which we see in ample numbers on these forums unfortunately.

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  • gaurav

    Does you just wrote the word “WE” in last paragraph???? shame on you if you calls yourself a journalist..shame shame…people like you makes swamy right..shame shame

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  • Vic

    Zia,
    Castigating his opinion is right but not him as a person. He has done some good activism on issues of corruption 2G, etc. Some of his views are over the top, but not all.
    As regards to, “He also wants Hindus to “propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.” This is the mindset of Neo-Nazi radicals in Europe and elsewhere too.” , maybe a few people have this mindset. But it is not widespread. Can you say the same about the Muslim dominated countries? I have never come across a Muslim who advocates for lessening of a Muslim mindset, never once.
    Some people are turning right wingers, true but it is not as bad as all Muslim dominated nations being right wingers. Why is there no centre or left wing in Muslim nations? Why are you so silent about it? He has just said about denial of right to vote, in Muslim majority countries minorities do not get a right to live. Please note that people see through double standards.

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  • ANIL

    Can any one give examples of all important Muslim organisaion around the world who condemned all terrorists works that took place/taking place. Why they are conveniently so quiet on this?

    Fact is Islamic belief system works based on FEAR OF GOD and not LOVE OF GOD. So what they inherit from the FEARFUL GOD are just passing it on to the unsuspecting public. There is a big gap here if peace is to prevail this gap is to be filled up first.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Muslims do not fear God. they fear the evil idol Allah. Allah was created by Muhammad.

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  • Jai Khosla

    the following is from Muwatta, Book 31, Number 31.1.1. It highlight the wonderful equality of Islam.

    Yahya related to me from Malik from a reliable source from Amr ibn Shuayb from his father from his father’s father that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade transactions in which nonrefundable deposits were paid.

    Malik said, “That is, in our opinion, but Allah knows best, that for instance, a man buys a slave or slave-girl or rents an animal and then says to the person from whom he bought the slave or leased the animal, ‘I will give you a dinar or a dirham or whatever on the condition that if I actually take the goods or ride what I have rented from you, then what I have given you already goes towards payment of the goods or hire of the animal. If I do not purchase the goods or hire the animal, then what I have given you is yours without liability on your part.’ ”

    Malik said, “According to the way of doing things with us there is nothing wrong in bartering an arabic speaking merchant slave for abyssinian slaves or any other type that are not his equal in eloquence, trading, shrewdness, and know-how. There is nothing wrong in bartering one slave like this for two or more other slaves with a stated delay in the terms if he is clearly different. If there is no appreciable difference between the slaves, two should not be bartered for one with a stated delay in the terms even if their racial type is different.”

    Malik said, “There is nothing wrong in selling what has been bought in such a transaction before taking possession of all of it as long as you receive the price for it from some one other than the original owner.”

    Malik said, “An addition to the price must not be made for a foetus in the womb of its mother when she is sold because that is gharar (an uncertain transaction). It is not known whether the child will be male or female, good-looking or ugly, normal or handicapped, alive or dead. All these things will affect the price.”

    Malik said that in a transaction where a slave or slave-girl was bought for one hundred dinars with a stated credit period that if the seller regretted the sale there was nothing wrong in him asking the buyer to revoke it for ten dinars which he would pay him immediately or after a period and he would forgo his right to the hundred dinars which he was owed.

    Malik said, “However, if the buyer regrets and asks the seller to revoke the sale of a slave or slave-girl in consideration of which he will pay an extra ten dinars immediately or on credit terms, extended beyond the original term, that should not be done. It is disapproved of because it is as if, for instance, the seller is buying the one hundred dinars which is not yet due on a year’s credit term before the year expires for a slave-girl and ten dinars to be paid immediately or on credit term longer than the year. This falls into the category of selling gold for gold when delayed terms enter into it.”

    Malik said that it was not proper for a man to sell a slave-girl to another man for one hundred dinars on credit and then to buy her back for more than the original price or on a credit term longer than the original term for which he sold her. To understand why that was disapproved of in that case, the example of a man who sold a slave-girl on credit and then bought her back on a credit term longer than the original term was looked at. He might have sold her for thirty dinars with a month to pay and then buy her back for sixty dinars with a year or half a year to pay. The outcome would only be that his goods would have returned to him just like they were and the other party would have given him thirty dinars on a month’s credit against sixty dinars on a year or half a year’s credit. That was not to be done.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    More of the beautiful equality of Islam

    Section: The Blood-Money for the Foetus
    Book 43, Number 43.7.5:

    Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Abu Salama ibn Abd ar-Rahman ibn Awf from Abu Hurayra that a woman from the Hudhayl tribe threw a stone at a woman from the same tribe, and she had a miscarriage. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gave a judgement that a slave or slave-girl of white complexion and excellence should be given to her.

    Book 43, Number 43.7.6:

    Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gave a judgement that the compensation for a foetus killed in its mother’s womb was a slave or slave-girl of white complexion and excellence. The one against whom the judgement was given said, “Why should I pay damages for that which did not drink or eat or speak or make any cry. The like of that is nothing.” The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “This is only one of the brothers of the diviners.” He disapproved of the rhyming speech of the man’s declaration.

    Yahya related to me from Malik that Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman said, “The slave of fair complexion and excellence is estimated at fifty dinars or six hundred dirhams. The blood-money of a free muslim woman is five hundred dinars or six thousand dirhams.”

    Malik said, “The blood-money of the foetus of a free woman is a tenth of her blood-money. The tenth is fifty dinars or six hundred dirhams.”

    Malik said, “I have not heard anyone dispute that there is no slave in compensation for the foetus until it leaves its mother’s womb and falls still-born from her womb . ”

    Malik said, “I heard that if the foetus comes out of its mother’s womb alive and then dies, the full blood-money is due for it.”

    Malik said, “The foetus is not alive unless it cries at birth. If it comes out of its mother’s womb and cries out and then dies, the complete blood-money is due for it. We think that the slave-girl’s foetus has a tenth of the price of the slave-girl.”

    Malik said, “When a woman murders a man or woman, and the murderess is pregnant, retaliation is not taken against her until she has given birth. If a woman who is pregnant is killed intentionally or unintentionally, the one who killed her is not obliged to pay anything for her foetus. If she is murdered, then the one who killed her is killed and there is no blood-money for her foetus. If she is killed accidentally, the tribe obliged to pay on behalf of her killer pays her blood-money, and there is no blood-money for the foetus.”

    Yahya related to me, “Malik was asked about the foetus of the christian or jewish woman which was aborted. He said, ‘I think that there is a tenth of the blood-money of the mother for it.’ “

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  • jatinder chohan

    i live in canada and so many pakistanis work with me one i was having conversation with raza my god what amindset he had so much hatred he was talking about muslims rights in india i asked him about hindus rights in pak we see muslims in every field but no rights for anyone who are living in mulim countries but they want all rights in other countrys.i asked him why you call us kafir he told me because you have so many gods who are muslim to tell us how you should believe in god.i met one hindu who migrated from karachi he told me we are o.k. in pak only thing is that we dont get govt. jobs in pak so we are in business or proffessors in colleges and most of our women are doctors is this can happen in india no way.muslim are part of us only those should stay in india who consider themselves indians rest should moove to pkistan then they will know what they had in india

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  • Jai Khosla

    Book 43, Number 43.19.14:

    Yahya related to me from Malik from Muhammad ibn Abd ar-Rahman ibn Sad ibn Zurara that he had heard that Hafsa, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, killed one of her slave-girls who had used sorcery against her. She was a mudabbara. Hafsa gave the order, and she was killed.

    Malik said, “The sorcerer is the one who uses sorcery for himself and no one else uses that for him. It is like the one about whom Allah, the Blessed, the Exalted, said in His Book, ‘They know the one who devotes himself to it will have no share in the Next World.’ (Sura 2 ayat 102) I think that that person is killed if he does that himself.”

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  • MKK

    The basis on which India was partitioned that Muslims and Hindus cannot get along therefore country must be partitioned – Pakistan for Muslims and India for Hindus. While it may not be written (I am not sure that it is not written somewhere in an agreement in some archive which is not accessible to me), it was the tacit understanding when the country was partitioned.

    While I don’t believe that Muslims should, at this time in India’s history should go to Pakistan, the least that India expects them to do is to accept India’s secular and benefit from it as have many Muslims.

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    tajender Reply:

    muslims and hindus were living like brothers from thousands years.partition was brhmncl conspiracy.they knew with 30-33 muslims complete mental physical nd financial enslavement of india is not possible.

    population transfer was not part of any clause of partition.

    solution …give 2%of india preferably desert to 2 % brhmns and say bye bye.

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    tajender Reply:

    another 2%to punjabis who have infested our city like rats and are responsible for all evils in our society.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    Wow two jokes back to back. Great. Tks.

    Kumar Reply:

    Is not a miracle of Allah, that the daughter of Muslim hater Swamy’s daughter has got married to a Muslim. Her name is Suhashni Haider. I think this must be one of the reasons that Swamy hates Muslims with great intensity.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Swami has all religions inhis family.

    he is married to a Parsi.
    His brother is married to a christian.
    His daughter is amrried to a Muslim
    His sister is married toa Jew
    So, let us assume if he has come up against Islamic behaviour/threat to India, he has valid theories and observations supporting it. After all he is an analyst/statistician from some of the top colleges in the world..

    tajender Reply:

    raju good one.

    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Swamy is basically a Zionist Brahmin now looking for political relevance. He was useful to the Zionist lobbyists. Unfortunately, Jayalalitha has now made him totally invisible; and the only way to be heard anywhere in the world is by abusing the Muslims. This pygmy-swamy is following Bush, Blair, Sarkozy so that keeps him in august company.

    tajender Reply:

    true global terrorist.

    tajender Reply:

    swami hates evrybody because he is brhmn.

    Naveed Reply:

    India is secular only on paper. In practice and implementation, Indian laws, Constitution, judiciary, executive all are for Hindus. Just an example, in 2008 Hindus with the connivance of Odhisa government destroyed churches, raped nuns and burned Christians alive and last week all 39 accused were acquitted. Not even a single Hindu has ever been punished for the genocide of Sikhs in 1984. Indian secularism is a farce, it is a joke on religious minorities. Sikhs are not even recognized as a separate religion. The day they succeed in getting that status, they would all be killed by Hindu mobs.

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    Jon Reply:

    Dear Naveed, as I can see u cant spell orrissa state…rather u wrote odhisa….I guess ur a hate monger **** commenting here with half baked knowledge of indian culture.
    In pakistan, when wud u make a hindu or christian or even shia a prime minister ??? not in next 1000 yrs if u survive till thn. In ur country, minority are forced to convert befor ethey can join civil services or higher government positions. U dont have any player from minority in ur national sports team…or for that matter when will u have a hindu or xtian or shia leading actors in ur movies.
    India is diverse, but still very tolerant society. Have u heard of riots set up by muslims in muslim dominated areas in UP and Bihar. Have u heard of marriage conversions etc propogated by some radical muslim organisations. Having said that , still think, that sensible people from minorities are much happier and enjoy all rights in india as compared to minorities in surrounding countries be it srilanka bangladesh or pakistan.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    In the 7th century Arabia the pedophile prophet of Islam massacred 800 Jews in one night including young boys. he has never been punished. Your country Pakistan had 25% Sikhs and Hindus just before Partition. Today less than 1%.

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    Plainspeak Reply:

    The Indian secularism is displayed in its brazen form in the only Muslim dominated state of J&K where the Chief Secretary, Director General of Police and the top bureaucracy has to be non-Muslim and non-local by an unwritten rule. Not a single employee above the rank of a gardner in the Raj Bhawan there is a Muslim. The Muslim majority has to be contented with being subjects who are subjected to all kinds of ill treatment.

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    Arvind Reply:

    The 1984 attack on Sikhs was done by Christians and Muslims against Sikhs. Rajiv Gandhi was a Catholic and Jagdish Tytler is a Christian. AB Vajpayee saved the Sikhs (see article on this by Khushwant Singh).

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    tajender Reply:

    but where is muslim.

    Sahil Reply:

    Why don’t you put on burqa and suicide bomb in one of the Indian cities again to express your anger and injustice against you. Do what is best known and tought to you!

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    abhi Reply:

    The upper caste hindus, the OBC’s, the dalits, and the muslims, are four major constituecies in India. They should all be treated at par and given equal minority status in India. Smaller groups like Jains, Sikhs, Christians and others, should also be recognosed as religious minorities.

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    Ravi Reply:

    MKK

    You have got only the half truth.

    At partition it was envisaged that Pakistan Was for Muslims. There is no doubt about that.

    However, at that point India decided that will N O T be a Hindu coutry but a secular country where, Muslims could live should they wish to.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Ravi,

    And what had Pakistan decided ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gutam

    I dont care what pakistan decides.

    I care what India does. You may be in a race to degenerate youself to the same level as pakistan is.

    I am not. My India is great because it is not solely for Hindus

    tajender Reply:

    read jinnah soeech.he told from today onwards there is no hindu there is no mulim everybody is pakistani.national song of pakistan eas written by a hindu.

  • M H A

    In fact religion is the hottest selling commodity in India and above that “abusing, accusing, slanging Muslim or Islam” is the source of gaining political power, winning election etc. so that with Mr sawamy too, he saw how ignored Ramjesth malani reached rajya sabha by BJP/RSS when he in a public debate abuse islam and sunni wahabi thought in presence Saudi Arabia’s ambassador in India. Now this man too need to go to delhi power house by anyway and the cheap and best way is what he choose . Second point if he does not convinced his daughter not to marry a muslim then what moral he have to say suspension of voting rights of Muslims until they accept and take pride in their alleged “Hindu past”. first India is not his property second presently what pride he show, Kalmadi, Yaddurappa, A Raja, KOda, Reddy brothers, Asaram bapu, Swami Nithyananda,Swami Devanathan Kanchipuram priest, Swami Bhimanand,Lt Gen PK Rath , Lt Gen Avadesh Prakash, Lt. Col. Shrikant P and countless, is this pride?
    The one thing is clear who ever or where ever abuse, accuse Islam or Muslims is harm to islam for short period but it gain in long run that’s why Islam is the most growing religion in the world ,including worldwide rediscovering or you can say conversion to islam is going on.

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  • Michael Anthony

    Zia, What were you or the minorities of India doing when Kashmiri Pandit’s being butchered? You are a hypocrite!

    Islam is a contradictory religion and it has different teachings when Muslims are in majority and in minority. When in majority Muslims follow Hadith which is nothing but violence and conversion at knife. When in minority Muslims follow Quran just to do some kind of “show put up” before the world.

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  • Sanjeev Veda

    Zia,
    I think you should not twist the story. Everybody knows what is what !
    SVeda

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  • Harjeet

    Zia has again misfired.
    I fail to understand that there are over 55 muslim counties in the world with over 1.5 billion population. why can’t you leave even few countires for others and who have given you equality ? There are no rights for non-muslims in 52 out of 55 muslim countires while they are complaining of discrimination in non-muslims countries which have given them complere equality and freedom.

    There are no moderates within muslims, only those who are in the second line of suicide bombers pretend to be moderates as they are relying on the first line to do the job and if they do not do than the second line will take over. Muslims of all shades have one thing in common, they want to eliminate all other faiths and religions from the face of the earth. They may differ in their approach but they want to do the same.
    Now more and more people in secualr democratic countries in Europe are becoming aware of the covert and overt Muslim invasion and taking steps I wonder when will INdia awake. I have always believed that mulsims caused division of India in 1947 to get thie homeland what are they doing in INdia ? Also why muslims should not be treated same way as they treat non-muslims in Pakistan ? Shameless has its limits but when it comes to muslims it appears it has no limits at all. What is mine is mine what is yours is also mine.

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  • Prem Aggarwal

    If Subramaniam swamy speaks and utter any word against Muslims, it pinches, although his Daughter is married to a Muslim Family. But when Dig (Dog) Vijay singh speaks and spits Venom against hindus, RSS, BajRang dal, BJP, ABVP, etc, Muslims have no face to show anywhere on earth. Even these ruchered Corrupt Congress Politicians do speak in theier language. it is now true that Congress Party is not a well- Wisher of hindu Society, but they align with Muslims. then why ask for Votes from hindus at the time of electrions in India?

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  • Jai Khosla

    The question not answered by Muslims.

    Why do you keep associating the pedophile prophet and his evil creation Allah with God?

    Why do you keep insulting God?

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    Vox Populi Reply:

    Khosla-ji: May be you could do some research in Hindu Mythology and you would come up with umpteen examples of which you might feel embarrassed to admit!

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Vox Populi

    I have always maintained that Hinduism is a construct by humans, just as Islam is.

    Both are imperfect. We Hindus do not claim our faith is perfect. Instead we ask ” How can we make Hindusim better” and our Golden Rule is

    Vasudev Kutumhka, Sarva Kalyanam Prtham Dhrma.

    All Beings are family and the welfare of all is our supreme duty.

    The Muslims made a choice. They wanted Pakistan and they promised us all that they would go there once they got Pakistan.

    Once they got Pakistan they got cold feet and refused to go.

    I care for Muslims and their welfare. they will always be miserable in India unless of course they break up India one more time and then they will be miserable again as they will refuse to go to the Muslim part they get and the cycle will go on.

    That is why I want them to keep their word.

    Pakistan will be the Pyara Pakistan where all Muslims can live and achieve their ultimate desire of becoming full time Arabs.

    India will become a secular non-Muslim country where religion will be confined to the homes and the religious buildings and everyone will be governed by a single penal and civil code of laws.

    It has been proven again and again that Muslims and non-Muslims can never live together. Muslims cause problems wherever they go. See the problems they have caused and are continuing to cause in the West. the West is finally waking up.

    It is time for all non-Muslims to say to Muslims.

    You have your lands , now stay there.

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    tajender Reply:

    brhmns or high caste hindus cannot live with anyone.

    Ravi Reply:

    Jai

    I think you are a moron.

    Allah in Islam is the same as GOD is in Christianity.

    Islam is a part of the Abrahamic religions.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Ravi,

    really ? Thats why in Malaysia muslim oraganisation did not wanted Christains to
    call their GOD as ALLAH.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Humbug, utter nonesense.

    What Malysisn say or not say is not the issue.

    Educate yourself. My chaiwallah says that a child born in Anand parbhat is an incarnation of Ram. Shall I believe him. Stories like these are dozen to a street in India. They do not decide on what the theology of hinduism is.

    Jai Khosla Reply:

    The God of Islam is not the same as the God of Christianity.

    The Gods of Islam and Christianity are not the same as the Gods of Hinduism.

    All Gods are human constructs and are generally different from each other.

    As an example the the Arabic idol Allah, the God of Islam, was created by Muhammad. In the Quran Allah commands Muslim men to beat up their wives.

    I have not seen anything in the New Testament where the Christian God commnds beating.

    And I have seen nothing in the Vedas, the Geeta or the Upanishads where any of the Gods created by Hindus commands the beating of wives.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rubbish.

    All Abrahamic Religions share the same God, the difference is in Language not in concept.

    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Gods are defined by what they are made to say in the respective scriptures.

    The Jewish God, the Christian God and Muhammadan God, all three say different things and are therefore not the same.

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    Ravi Reply:

    God does not say anything in the Bible.

    You are a fool.

    You are confusing Prophet with God.

  • Plainspeak

    Subramanyam Swami is a sick mind and a failed politician. He has been spewing venom against adversaries in politics to get limelight but since he failed there he tries it now against Muslims to get into news. He is only ruining his health by harbouring hatred in his heart least knowing that the heart that bore hatred is bound to decay. I pity him.

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  • Vox Populi

    I believe that Muslim community in India lacks leadership. It is time that Muslim Indians stop accepting second class citizenship and be less accepting of any non-sense from the right wing hindu nationalists. There needs to be an open debate about the issues rather than this shadow boxing. The Hindu had run a multi-part article in the early 90’s shattering many myths about the Indian Muslims. We need more assertiveness and honest debate among the Indian Muslims. Truth and Honesty are the best weapons against Bigotry. If there is extreme illiteracy and poverty among the Muslims and disproportionate representation in the services let it be spelled out. Same with the number of children among households. I find the latter to be a red herring in my own practice.

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  • Ramesh Lahoti

    I read all the comments and I find one thread going through all of them. Each and every writer is fanatic in a small or large dimension. All, no exception, religions are full of evil. In the name of religion; irrespective which one, the greatest crimes and suffering has been brought up on human beings, since religions were created by bigoted and stupid fanatics. Edifices – whether temples. mosques, churches and the like were created to propogate the fanatism to satisfy the egoism of illiterate, ignorant and stupid human beings. Try to quarrel with a person, relative, wife or any other person in total darkness and after a few sentences, the quarreling will cease. Why? The moment one cannot see the face of the other, the quarreling is over. So is the case with all religious books. Stop reading them or listening to the wretched preachers and all the quarrels shall stiop. There shall be peace. As Lenin correctly said: Religions are a poison.

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    Sameer singh Reply:

    Well said, we as a nation are so obsessed with religion, that we do not realize that in the past the reason for downfall was our divide and in today’s day and age we are going back to the same old issue.

    Maybe its in the DNA of Indians to be divided over caste, creed religion, language and what not.

    India really needs to grow up before we are back at square one.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Ramesh,

    Brilliant. I really liked your post . Specialy this

    Try to quarrel with a person, relative, wife or any other person in total darkness and after a few sentences, the quarreling will cease ‘

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  • guest

    By any standard of measure Swamy has shown that no amount of education can change a person and his embedded vle instincts. Swamy is an insult to hinduism and the highest level of humanism it preaches and promotes.Hinduism is the epitome of tolerance,love and charity. It does not require champions,defenders or protectors etc.particularly by skewed up bigots who more often use it to promote themselves.They thus abuse it’s foundations and reflect poorly upon it to those who do not know the religion,it’s philosophy and it’s harmony with man and nature.
    There’s a lot of talk violence. Violence is violence whether it is because of religion,furtherance of robberies,disputes,rivalries political and otherwise of every kind,sectarianism,caste based etc. We read about them and about wanton killings and murders everyday. These dont stir us as much as when there is a religious connotation. Then it becomes a evil thing attached to a group or a following to tar the entire lot. We thus then show how little-minded we are and how unworthy we are to our own reigious beliefs and to the Supreme Being.

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  • Sanjiv

    Why should Muslims, or for that matter anyone, have to shift boundaries. The writer should do a check of all inter-religious marriages where one spouse converts and then ask why should only the non-Muslim or non-Christian shift boundaries and sell their soul to Islam or Christianity.

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  • Sameer singh

    Shan & Ravi: Its great to see that people like yous till exist in our country however the numbers seem to be declining. I hope I am wrong and just that secular and progressive like you 2 don’t want to waste time speaking to religion obsessed.

    We gained our independence led a by great man called Mahatma Gandhi however we completely disregard him and his ideology which basically brought all indians together to fight the brits and form a great nation.
    A nation which was supposed to be free and not stuck in kind of slavery whether it was the cast system or the hindu muslim fight or our customs etc.

    However in todays time what people like jai khosla, tajinder seem to be inclined is towards the thinking of muslim league or the hindu groups such as RSS, VHP etc which did nothing in building the nation and in reality where the reason why the brits could rule for so long.

    Nothing has changed Indians will continue to fight on religion.

    If Gandhi was alive today he would have gone back to south africa.

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  • Arvind

    What is required of us? How about you allow us to run our temples instead of getting the government to plunder the revenues and subsidize you? And since you called it free-speech when MF Husain depicted Hindu Goddesses as objects for his pornographic images, we expect you to support Dr. Swamy’s free-speech rights as well. We already gave you a country? So why do you covet our temples now? Speak out openly against the government interfering in Hinduism.

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  • Jai Khosla

    A Muslim organization in Istanbul recently filed a case against ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness). The case came up in court.

    The Organization stated that ISKCON was spreading its activities and gaining followers in Turkey.. They wanted ISKCON banned because its followers were glorifying a character called Krishna “who had loose morals,” having married 16,000 women called Gopikas.

    The ISKCON lawyer to the Judge: “Please ask Organization’s lawyers to tell the number of wives and concubines Muhammad had.”

    The Judge asked the organization to loudly tell the court the number of wives and concubines Muhammad had. They refused. .

    The ISKCON lawyer asked whether he could say loudly the number of wives and concubines Muhammad had.

    Go ahead, said the judge.

    The lawyer stated that Muhammad had at least 12 wives at a time, two wives had divorced him and he had divorced one wife because she had contracted white leprosy ( vitiligo or lucoderma).

    Muhammad also had at least two concubines, Rayhana and Maria. Maria when she was 16 had delivered a male child, Ibrahim, out of wedlock.

    The judge asked the Muslims” Was not Muhammad an immoral leader?”

    The case was dismissed.

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    tajender Reply:

    absolute fabricated lie maria and rihana were his wife.ibrahim died after some time.

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    tajender Reply:

    filed a case against ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness).

    bullshit isckon people are most bad charactered people.bhangedi nasedi.druggist .what u have written is all wrong.in islamic country if u talk like this their *** will be broken.bloody liar.krishna had 1603 wives used to fk his neughbors wife called radha.

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  • Jai Khosla

    Here is what Subbu Swamy really said.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment_analysis-how-to-wipe-out-islamic-terror_1566203-all

    The terrorist blast in Mumbai on July 13, 2011, requires decisive soul-searching by the Hindus of India. Hindus cannot accept to be killed in this halal fashion, continuously bleeding every day till the nation finally collapses. Terrorism I define here as the illegal use of force to overawe the civilian population to make it do or not do an act against its will and well-being.

    Islamic terrorism is India’s number one problem of national security. About this there will be no doubt after 2012. By that year, I expect a Taliban takeover in Pakistan and the Americans to flee Afghanistan. Then, Islam will confront Hinduism to “complete unfinished business”. Already the successor to Osama bin Laden as al-Qaeda leader has declared that India is the priority target for that terrorist organisation and not the USA.

    Fanatic Muslims consider Hindu-dominated India “an unfinished chapter of Islamic conquests”. All other countries conquered by Islam 100% converted to Islam within two decades of the Islamic invasion. Undivided India in 1947 was 75% Hindu even after 800 years of brutal Islamic rule. That is jarring for the fanatics.

    In one sense, I do not blame the Muslim fanatics for targeting Hindus. I blame Hindus who have taken their individuality permitted in Sanatan Dharma to the extreme. Millions of Hindus can assemble without state patronage for the Kumbh Mela, completely self-organised, but they all leave for home oblivious of the targeting of Hindus in Kashmir, Mau, Melvisharam and Malappuram and do not lift their little finger to help organise Hindus. If half the Hindus voted together, rising above caste and language, a genuine Hindu party would have a two-thirds majority in Parliament and the assemblies.

    The first lesson to be learnt from the recent history of Islamic terrorism against India and for tackling terrorism in India is that the Hindu is the target and that Muslims of India are being programmed by a slow reactive process to become radical and thus slide into suicide against Hindus. It is to undermine the Hindu psyche and create the fear of civil war that terror attacks are organised.

    Hindus must collectively respond as Hindus against the terrorist and not feel individually isolated or, worse, be complacent because he or she is not personally affected. If one Hindu dies merely because he or she was a Hindu, then a bit of every Hindu also dies. This is an essential mental attitude, a necessary part of a virat (committed) Hindu.

    We need a collective mindset as Hindus to stand against the Islamic terrorist. The Muslims of India can join us if they genuinely feel for the Hindu. That they do I will not believe unless they acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus. If any Muslim acknowledges his or her Hindu legacy, then we Hindus can accept him or her as a part of the Brihad Hindu Samaj (greater Hindu society) which is Hindustan. India that is Bharat that is Hindustan is a nation of Hindus and others whose ancestors were Hindus. Others, who refuse to acknowledge this, or those foreigners who become Indian citizens by registration, can remain in India but should not have voting rights (which means they cannot be elected representatives).

    Any policy to combat terrorism must begin with requiring each and every Hindu becoming a virat Hindu. For this, one must have a Hindu mindset that recognises that there is vyaktigat charitra (personal character) and rashtriya charitra (national character). For example, Manmohan Singh has high personal character, but by being a rubber stamp of a semi-literate Sonia Gandhi and waffling on all national issues, he has proved that he has no rashtriya charitra.

    The second lesson for combating terrorism is that we must never capitulate or concede any demand, as we did in 1989 (freeing five terrorists in exchange for Mufti Mohammed Sayeed’s daughter Rubaiya) and in 1999, freeing three terrorists after the hijack of Indian Airlines flight IC-814.

    The third lesson is that whatever and however small the terrorist incident, the nation must retaliate massively. For example, when the Ayodhya temple was sought to be attacked, we should have retaliated by re-building the Ram temple at the site.

    According to bleeding heart liberals, terrorists are born or bred because of illiteracy, poverty, oppression, and discrimination. They argue that instead of eliminating them, the root cause of these four disabilities in society should be removed. This is rubbish. Osama bin laden was a billionaire. In the failed Times Square episode, failed terrorist Shahzad was from a highly placed family in Pakistan and had an MBA from a reputed US university.

    It is also a ridiculous idea that terrorists cannot be deterred because they are irrational and willing to die. Terrorist masterminds have political goals and a method in their madness. An effective strategy to deter terrorism is to defeat those political goals and to rubbish them by counter-terrorist action.Thus, I advocate the following strategy to negate the political goals of Islamic terrorism in India.

    Goal 1: Overawe India on Kashmir.
    Strategy: Remove Article 370 and resettle ex-servicemen in the valley. Create Panun Kashmir for the Hindu Pandit community. Look for or create an opportunity to take over PoK. If Pakistan continues to back terrorists, assist the Baluchis and Sindhis to get their independence.

    Goal 2: Blast temples, kill Hindu devotees.
    Strategy: Remove the masjid in Kashi Vishwanath temple and the 300 masjids at other temple sites.

    Goal 3: Turn India into Darul Islam.
    Strategy: Implement the uniform civil code, make learning of Sanskrit and singing of Vande Mataram mandatory, and declare India a Hindu Rashtra in which non-Hindus can vote only if they proudly acknowledge that their ancestors were Hindus. Rename India Hindustan as a nation of Hindus and those whose ancestors were Hindus.

    Goal 4: Change India’s demography by illegal immigration, conversion, and refusal to adopt family planning.
    Strategy: Enact a national law prohibiting conversion from Hinduism to any other religion. Re-conversion will not be banned. Declare that caste is not based on birth but on code or discipline. Welcome non-Hindus to re-convert to the caste of their choice provided they adhere to the code of discipline. Annex land from Bangladesh in proportion to the illegal migrants from that country staying in India. At present, the northern third from Sylhet to Khulna can be annexed to re-settle illegal migrants.

    Goal 5: Denigrate Hinduism through vulgar writings and preaching in mosques, madrassas, and churches to create loss of self-respect amongst Hindus and make them fit for capitulation.
    Strategy: Propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.

    India can solve its terrorist problem within five years by such a deterrent strategy, but for that we have to learn the four lessons outlined above, and have a Hindu mindset to take bold, risky, and hard decisions to defend the nation. If the Jews could be transformed from lambs walking meekly to the gas chambers to fiery lions in just 10 years, it should not be difficult for Hindus in much better circumstances (after all we are 83% of India), to do so in five years.

    Guru Gobind Singh showed us how just five fearless persons under spiritual guidance can transform a society. Even if half the Hindu voters are persuaded to collectively vote as Hindus, and for a party sincerely committed to a Hindu agenda, then we can forge an instrument for change. And that is the bottom line in the strategy to deter terrorism in a democratic Hindustan at this moment of truth.

    The writer is president of the Janata Party, a former Union minister, and a professor of economics.

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    tajender Reply:

    The terrorist blast in Mumbai on July 13, 2011

    it was carried out by hindu terrorist.wait truth will comeout.

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    tajender Reply:

    hindu means brhmn remaining are their slave.

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  • Jai Khosla

    In the blog about Norway, Taj says to me “i am not apoliging to u.u are bstrd and evil man.revelation of islam is the highest achievement of mankind.u belong to a race of thieves and liars.”

    Taj, u and I both belong to the human race.

    In the Quran, verse 4:34 says ”

    Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them superior to the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear disobedience, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them up. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. ”

    Is this the best the idol Allah could do?

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    tajender Reply:

    i am not apoliging to u.u are bstrd and evil man.revelation of islam is the highest achievement of mankind.u belong to a race of thieves and liars.”

    u have any objections.it is true.

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  • Jai Khosla

    The vast majority of literate Muslims take comfort in ignorance, skepticism and conspiracy theories. The self-glorification of an imagined past, mostly imagined Arab achievements, matched by habits of national denial have assumed crisis proportions today in India and Pakistan.
    What lies beneath this inability to critique and lack of intelligent analysis?

    Undoubtedly, one’s education influences views on politics and society.

    As Robert Frost aptly puts it: “education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence.”

    A look at the Pakistani education system sheds light on why Islamic terrorism happens.

    Let us consider a ubiquitous slogan about the ‘ideology’ of Pakistan. A staple of the school textbooks, it echoed in massive public rallies as well as debates on secularism.

    Pakistan ka matlab kiya? La illaha il lallah (What is the meaning of Pakistan? There is no God but Allah)

    It has become the rallying cry of the campaign to Islamise Pakistani society. Ironically, it is a slogan that was coined long after the creation of Pakistan, but it is now being falsely ascribed to the leaders of the Pakistan movement in 1947.

    Religion has often proved to be a powerful binding factor which has merged heterogeneous groups into a distinct nationality. Through appeal to supernatural authority, religion promotes national unity as a divine command. Examples abound in contemporary history: the Greek church as a source for Greek nationalism, the Catholic church as a factor in Irish separatism, Judaism and the state of Israel, Islam and Pakistan, Islam and the separatism of Indian Muslims, islam and the killing of 3 million Hindus in Bangladesh.

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt. It has become something of a personality cult in Pakistan. Nowhere is this cognitive dissonance more visible than amongst the educated who refuse to accept facts and logic, clinging instead to a neurotic persecution complex.

    History textbooks in Pakistan written soon after Partition – a time when the grief of shattered families who experienced communal killings was at its peak – show a more liberal mindset. The history of the subcontinent was taken to start with the ancient Indus valley civilisations rather than with the conquest of India by the first Muslim invader, Mohammad bin Qasim, in 712. In contrast to today’s history books, these books contained discussions of the empires of Emperor Ashoka and the Maurya dynasty. Has there has been a deliberate revival of communal antagonism over 30 years after Partition? Undoubtedly, the permanent militarization of society requires a permanent enemy.

    Muslims are going the same route. they are forgetting that they are Hindu ki aulaad and not Arab kay bacchay.

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  • NAVIN DHIGHE

    PEOPLE LIKE ZIA ARE MULLAHS IN DISGUISE UNLIKE OWAISI OF HYDERABAD WHO IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT HIS FOCUS AND GOAL CREATE ANOTHER PAKISTAN WITHIN INDIA ZIA HAS HARSH WORDS FOR DR SWAMY AND EVEN MAKES PERSONEL ATTACKS BUT PLEASE BE INFORMED SWAMY IS SPOT ON WHEN HE SAYS THAT SOME MUSLIMS IN INDIA ARE GETTING DANGEROUSLY RADICALIZED I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED TWO INSTANCES OF KERALA AND RATNAGIRI IN KONKANCOME TO MY MIND IN KERALA SOME 30 YRS AGO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SEE A WOMAN OF ANY AGE IN A BURKHA TODAY EVEN A 10YR OLD WILL BE IN A BURKHA ONCE IT WAS DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH HINDU AND MUSLIM WOMEN WHO JOINTLY CONTROLLED THE FISH MARKETS IN KONKAN TODAY YOU HAVE GUSSED RIGHT THE ARAB BURKHA IS IN FULL PLAY AN

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  • Rakesh Katyal

    The writer actually wanted to write against his favourite BJP. So even if he found that Subramaniam Swamy has nothing to do with BJP, he still devotes first two paras to BJP. What a shame Mr Zia , I think you are the biggest communal person I have come across. But I am sure your write ups please your masters in the Congress and you get well paid for that. We all know Congress has enough money in India and abroad.

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  • Raju Kurien

    Zia’s title is msileading; because he would not have written this if he did not care.

    Obviously heuses his usual charade againt BJP — the last time I checked , Swamy was the president of janata party.

    Zia and his elks of secularists (and fundamental Muslims) who supported MF Hussains’ freedom to draw nude Hindu gods/goddeses somehow do not think Swamy has the right to speak. Wonderful!

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  • Shoeb K

    Many – Hindus and Muslims and others – may laugh at some of the details of Swamy’s article as the usual nutcase examples. However, those people will agree with him on the macro theme of his article.

    Islamic terrorism is the numero ono threat India faces. And it is not due to the physical destruction and the people who get killed. It will create question marks among the majority of Indians, resulting in a wider rift; with the majority questioning minority in every motive, and Muslims being radicalized more destroying the peace of the country. That is what the perpetrators want.

    What Swamy said about fanatic Muslim activities is correct. There cannot be ifs and buts about that. “Muslims are being programed by a slow reative process to ebcome radical…………”

    So called Muslim leaders will be smart to take an example from the Indian mythology (for a change) – that Sita should be beyond suspicion. However, they have consistently missed the cues and clues, clinging to stupid sacred cows (against Shah Bano, against womens legisltive seats etc) reinforcing the question marks.

    And discarding Vastanvi last week was just another example. There was no outrage.

    And it is a shame that Zia did not bother to write about that and its consequences – Muslims will lose big on that decision; and not from whtat Swamy says.

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  • tajender

    KHOSLA SPECIAL

    THUS SPAKE PERIYAR : God Shiva’s one lakh years-long intercourse WITH ALL HIS CONSORTS.

    The Hindus do not know who created their gods. No god is found to be the embodiment of so many attributes. They say that god cannot be seen. They say that he has no shape. Yet they have created different gods with different shapes. They say god is not in need of anything. They say that he is the giver of all things. Yet they offer cooked food. Gods have wives, concubines, marriage and other ceremonies.

    What is the difference between man and god?

    Do we have one single god that exists free from moral depravity. Your gods are born to elephants, horses and donkeys. There is not a god that has a decent parentage. God Siva is said to have had intercourse for a lakh of years with his consort

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    tajender Reply:

    Why should a god have a wife? A man may enjoy with his wife for an hour or two. Even for this many need drugs and medicines to whip up their potentialities. But our Puranas say that our god had intercourse continuously for thousands of years. The Devas were witnessing this scene. They became afraid. They prayed to the god to stop. The god expressed his inability to stop. At last with great difficulty he stopped the intercourse. His semen gushed forth like a canal. The devas are said to have drunk Siva’s semen. Is it not so written in the Puranas? Is this the way to create a god? If the Brahmins had any respect for us and considered all of us as human beings, would they dare to record such absurd things in the Puranas? Are we devoid of common sense? No. He has the boldness to compel us to believe every thing he has written in the Puranas.

    Gods as murderers: God is described as the embodiment of love. But you find dreadful weapons in the hands of gods. Are gods murderers? Is there a single god that has not killed anyone? The Puranas are replete with umpteen instances to prove that gods killed so many. Are our gods butchers? How are we to be convinced of the statement that gods are kind?

    With all these baseless, senseless and idiotic puranas, they have succeeded in making our society static, reactionary and dumb. People have lost their sense of thinking.

    Hence no sensible man endowed with reason would consider it necessary to worship such gods or touch the feet of any Brahmin with veneration.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    What a Joke . tks

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    HATE YOUR NEIGHBOURS
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    just look at this blog- everyone hate everyone, shame on you.
    As always Shoeb has written the best muslim response here- highlighted Islamic terror
    Naveed has over reacted and spewn anti hindu feelings
    Tajender and ravi- both confessed before to Pak origins- are worse than naveed
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    and jai khosla, sahil etc are blinded by islamophobia
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    LISTEN I READ SWAMY ARTICLE AND IT IS GARBAGE
    iNDIA COULD NOT HANDLE ONE MOSQUE DEMOLITION AND HE WANTS TO DESTROY MORE

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    tajender Reply:

    apke aane ka shukriya.fikr thee.

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    Ravi Reply:

    No one confessed anything.

    YOU ACCUSED THEM, YOU CONTINUE TO ACCUSE THEM.

    That is because you are a congentital moron who presents himself as a challa sikh, you give Sikh’s a bad name.

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    tajender Reply:

    what is chall sikh can u tell me ravi bhai.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Challa in Punjabi means a dim wit, an idiot.

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    ISLAMIC TERROR MUST BE FOUGHT, but the majority hindus-sikhs-jains must not go down to level of radical muslims and wahabis and cheapen themselves
    Swamy has cost his party votes, including mine

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    tajender Reply:

    there is no islamic terror in india.it is only brhminical terror.

    It is not Hindu but Brahmin terrorism

    Finally the cat is out of the bag. Even the Union Home Minister (a Tamil Chettiar) has unequivocally said that the country is facing grave threat from the emerging ‘saffron’ terror. He deliberately chose to ignore one interesting fact that all the accused (yes all) in the Malegaon, Ajmer Sharif, Samjhouta Express, Mecca Masjid and Goa bomb blasts are Brahmins and not “Hindus”. Brahmins, specially those who consider Aryans, have always maliciously practiced the indoctrinated sacred ideology of violence and terror. To continue with their superiority doctrine, they killed Gandhi and now Karkare. They brutally murdered Sambhaji, the son of Shivaji, because in their view he had committed all the crimes that deserved to be punished under the Manusmirti. In fact the Brahmin history is replete with the acts of terror and violence.

    Actually it is a misconception to label the Brahminical acts of terror as “Hindu terror”. For, Brahmins are not Hindu and Hindu are not Brahmins. Will the Home Minister release and seek an unconditional apology from all the innocent Muslim boys falsely accused and arrested in the above blasts or his statement is merely the recognition of the grave wrongs committed by our Brahmin worshipping system?

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Wow. Another joke. tks vm Tajender.

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    tajender Reply:

    HE IS ONE MAN GANG.NO PARTY MEMBER.

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    Anil Reply:

    It’s simple freaking join mainstream schools aand compete for jobs like evberyone else.. this fixation with quran /ahdith teaching and yet seeking job on par with main stream education is what keeping victimization fire of muslim burning.. muslim are victims of their own bull $hit faith which keeps faith teaching above everything else and when they lag behind others they start whining

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  • abhi

    “It means Hindu nationalists want Muslims to stop being who they are and start becoming one of them.”

    Can you (author) tell what “Muslims” are? Do they consider themself indian or they feel proud in they Arabic/Turkic ancestory? What is so wrong if one expect them to treat themself as Indian and look for Indian interests rather than part of some great islamic ummah?

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  • tajender

    KHOSLA SPECIAL PART 3

    shastras are a heap of trash to be thrown in to the gutters. They are mere conjectures of the Brahmins.

    YOUR gods were created when people were innocent and barbarians. Nowadays all speak about the epic Ramayana. Rama is referred to as god. But look into the parentage of Rama. To whom was Rama born? You may say to Dasaratha. But the story says that the king had no children. Hence he offered his wives to the Brahmins. Before that in order to stimulate the queen’s sexual instincts horses were permitted to copulate with them. Then the Brahmins joined the queens in unison. This is clearly stated in the Bala Kandam of the epic Ramayana. Look at Rama. How did he treat his wife? She returned from Ravana as a pregnant lady. Neither Rama nor Sita considered it a horrible immoral act. This matter was ignored and taken into account as nothing serious. You take any god and think over deeply. You don’t have any god that is acceptable to us these days.

    We have no selfish motive in unfolding all absurdities about gods. We gain nothing by cheating you. We are not concocting anything. We speak facts and figures

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    Laughter is the best medicine. I dont think I will ever fall sick after reading so many
    jokes you post. Tks .

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  • L Mirza

    Zia ends his article..”We reject……mainstream… We stand for…. equality”

    Who are “We”? Is he talking for Muslims, or Indians?

    And whoever he is speaking for, how can he be so sure?

    Here is a man who drags a persona-nongrata’s article, says he does not care about the article author’s “taunting”, then creates a “us vs them” using false analogies, cherry-picking what Swamy said

    India’s problem is not its politicians; it is its so called journalists who are not really journalists, but mouthpieces for vested groups

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    Ravi Reply:

    L Mirza

    By the same token one can say that his audiences, which includes you and I, are also mouth pieces of vested groups.

    Is that not so.

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Ravi-

    Absolutely no. I am a private citizen; you may be a mouth pece of a vested group; however, I do not see why anybody in the audience (unless they are also paid like journalists a k a Veer Sanghvi , Burkha etc) has to be a mouthpiece.

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    Ravi Reply:

    L Mirza

    You are a ventroloquists dummy, and you do not even know who is moving your lips

    Ravi Reply:

    Gautam

    I have read the article.

    Did you.

    I guess not.

    The Judge, the only person who was asked to make a judgement made the judgement that Allah = God.

    However, you ignored that but believed that a lunatick fringe element of Malaysian society said.

    That is because you are an Islamophobe.

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  • Gautam Gulati

    Ravi,

    This was the so called humbug I was talking about.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/world/asia/09malaysia.html

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    tajender Reply:

    when all over world they use god why use allah there.it is part of conspiracy.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    What is the problem if a non-muslim calls his god Allah. ?

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    tajender Reply:

    there is no problem but aim is to cheat.

  • S Singh

    Time and again many bloggers have written about how Muslims do not want to coexist with others. Killings, other forced elimination/avoidance, conversions, total discrimination etc are often cited as their way…

    Ok , here comes China.. a relatively quiet ountry froma religious perspective (because they do not have religion or most part)… The Urghyer Mulims are in a riot (for what else… because they think Islam is in danger)..15 people wee killd in the Urghyer region yesterday due to the Muslim uprising..

    Dont believe in the propaganda that somehow Indian Muslims are diffferent, they believe in democray, pluralism etc… THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANYOF THESE, THEIR ONLY BELIEF IS IN ALLAH, KILLING KAUFFERS ..just look around to the so called Islamic countries. Also look into separatist threats in Chechnya, may be now in Urghyer, China; and our own Kashmir.

    Swamy’s statements, while controversial , are not far-fetched. A mere 10% of Muslims becoming and radicalized, motivated by Allahs land, is 15 Million people!

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    tajender Reply:

    Chechnya, may be now in Urghyer, China; and our own Kashmir.

    chechenya is annexed terrotery.like india was occupied by britishers.they are not russians.now south sudan has seprated.checheya is kept to rob them of their oil.they have full right.never in the history kashmir was part of india,but things should solved ith negotiation.if it was part of india why raja was not tried for killing lacs of kashmiris.now it is america.kashimiris want to stay with india.
    but fraud of yatra should be investigated and banned as penis is erected throughrefrigeration cycle,there is nothing divine there.it makes valley dirty and do irrepairable ecological and invoirmental damage.

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    RajX Reply:

    “our own Kashmir”

    Tejender, u forgot the script. Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. Right?

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Was Muhammad’s sex with nine year old Aisha a clean act?

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    Ravi Reply:

    You are pathetic.

    Why dont u ask your self why Dhropdi was shagged by 5 brothers

    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Should we ban the teaching of the terrorist manual , the Quran, to young people below the age of 21? We ban alcohol and drugs, why not something even more destructive, the Quran?

    Look what the Quran has done to Tajuddin.

    tajender Reply:

    it is already banned.bigamy and child marriage is more rampant among hindus.u people are expert in killing and torturing women.that is why everhindu girl want to have muslim husband.

    Atul Gupta Reply:

    Every Hindu girl wants to marry muslims….HA HA…
    Child marriage is more rampant in Hindus, is that the reason a girl as old as 9 years (who has had her first period) allowed to marry and have sex with a Bully…?

    tajender Reply:

    that was tradition that time and all over world.discuss the message not the married life of a family.

    tajender Reply:

    because we are beef beater.look more bright than grass eating monkies.

    Nabila Qureshi Reply:

    Jai, a very stupid suggestion on your part.

    The Quran is the best tool to wean impressionable young people from Islam. It should be made available to every young person in a language they can understand. Which young person will become a Muslim once he or she, especially a she, finds out that Islam requires disobedient wives to be beaten up?

    I wish I had the Quran available when I was very young. I would not have gone through the torment I went through.

    tajender Reply:

    among hindus u would have been burnt alive.

    reena Reply:

    After going through what’s been written by people, I just don’t fathom the mindset of our people, Hindu/ Muslim, I think It’s purely Indian trait , nothing to do with religion really.

    I don’t agree that all the muslims are radical, religion is a important part of life for hindu’s too and we can see the evidence all around.
    What Subramaniam swamy says is wrong and can’t be done. Muslims have coexisted with us so long now, I have seen muslim families in small villages in remote uttaranchal which was a surprise and they have been living there for generations together.
    I don’t know what’s the trouble is with Indian muslims becoz I have had a lot of muslim friends doing very well , given same opportunities as us everywhere, so only thing needs to be changed is mindset and stop deciding and thinking about everything on the background of religious beleifs.
    The change which I have noticed is , I see more of my Muslim neighbours of all age groups wearing dresses which identify them out as muslims in day to day life which was not the case few years back, ……..any ideas why is that happening Zia,

    S Singh Reply:

    You are right Reena..

    They have started wearing burquas..Showing their Islamic identity is now important rather than Indian identity..They have “Indian Mujahuddin” exploding bombs. They have organizations that parallel terrorist outfits like JuH, LeT etc of Pakistan.

    You may be right that majority of Indian Msulimsare peace loving people. But they do not come out criticizing their fellow Muslims’ violence or suggesting that wearing burqua etc in an open society is not a good practice.. Western countries like France have started prohibiting burqua – they consider burqua a s a threat to national integration/identity

    tajender Reply:

    They have started wearing burquas

    what is ur problem.ur ladies are roaming in miniskirts i dont object.

    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Ravi,

    As for as I know Dropadi was an adult .

    tajender Reply:

    yes because those days 9 was marr`iage age.
    but 5 brothers fk a poor women is shameless act.that too without marriage.if one will fk for longer period others will complaint to their mother.hindus are shameless people.that is why they worship lnd.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Here comes of the mask…Ravi unmasked again..Poor chap looses his cool when his super-duper pedo prophet is criticized.. :)

  • tajender

    Ok , here comes China.. a relatively quiet ountry froma religious perspective (because they do not have religion or most part)… The Urghyer Mulims are in a riot (for what else… because they think Islam is in danger)..15 people wee killd in the Urghyer region yesterday due to the Muslim uprising

    singh when u hindus will have mind to see the thing in rational and right way.trouble is because china has brought millions of han from the main land..now the local foreigner population is fifty fifty.
    moreover because of huge quantity of oil zoinists involvement is also there.islam is not in danger ,their identity is definitely in danger.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    I 100% agree with you that muslims are the victims of zionist and brahmins since
    thousands of years. I am not good at history so I wil only ask you about recent events.
    Israil killing Palistinains, USA attacked Iraq and Afghanistan and have killed many muslims.
    In Pakistan due to regular drone attacks by USA many muslims are being killed. In Inida
    poor muslims are the main victims of hindus. All over the world also they are being seen as
    terrorists.
    Now can you please tell me why you and all 1.5 billion are not doing anything about it.
    Till how long you want to remain vicitims and keep and complaining without doing anything.
    Are you all WEAK or COWARDS.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Muslims are f——- up… always whining…give me, give me, and back stabbers
    I really feel bad for “mderate’ Muslims..their voice (if at all) are drowned by Tejinders and Zias and the actions of Jehadis

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    tajender Reply:

    singh we dont ask give me we give ,we give.
    in india not only we but 90%of indians are victm of brhmnsm.they hide their wealth under basement of temples and ashrams.smuggle them to outside and make india poor.this routine continues 365 days a years.
    hinuism is anti-people and anti-india forces which is busy in pauperizing india.they suck money out of circulation nd leave people fighting together.

    tajender Reply:

    we made america bankcrupt now they are running away from afghanistan an iraq accepting their defeat.

    PAHLEE JEET HAMESHA VILLIAN KEE HOOTE HAI MARA TO BAAD MEIN JATA.

    actually it is nexus of bankers and oil cartel there is nothing religious in it.they target small weak country suck their blood and then leave it.same game they were playing in latin america.
    now american president is not welcome anywhere.vietnam they did same.now in libya even
    muslim regimes are helping.a small country iraq is attacked by coalation of 47 what he can do.
    we are not coward we fought at every step even in somalia.got them defeated on both front.now they are leaving area with tailes between their legs.in libya they will be beaten more severely.

    they are satanic evil force which attack weaker countries.they are godless irreligous people only after wealth and worldly things.hated by every body except indian brhmns.they entered phillipines to liberate them from spanish.converted the whole nation into brothel.this was their democracy and liberation.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    You mean to say that muslims made America bankrupt ? Can u please provide some
    proof of that .
    I did not understand other than the first line .

    tajender Reply:

    You mean to say that muslims made America bankrupt ? Can u please provide some
    proof of that
    yes wars swallowed its perpetuator.there is no religion involve anywhere.bankers always make money if siuatioby media.n is bad.now they are able to offer loan to american gverment at better terms.oil cartel was involve in attack with hope of getting oil at cheap price.war industry is run by jews were hopeful of big orders.they got.it.
    all wars are planne by bankers and agents from warindustry supported by media.libya which has 35 mirage in their`airforce cannot be danger to europe or america but coalition of 47 countries has attacked this weak country.target is water and oil.

    tajender Reply:

    the victims of zionist and brahmins since
    thousands of years
    till 1857 brhmns used to clean the shoes of muslim ruling class.jews used to trouble christians of europe till palestine was occupied by ritishers,

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  • NAVIN DHIGHE

    I THINK ZIA IS A MULLAH IN DISGUISE AT LEAST PEOPLE LIKE OWAISI ARE MUCH MORE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR ABOUT THEIR GOALS TO CREATE ANOTHER PAKISTAN WITHIN INDIA ZIA HAS STRONG WORDS FOR DR SWAMY AND EVEN GOES TO THE EXTEND OF GETTING PERSONEL BY TALKING ABOUT HIS FAMILY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH DR SWAMYS VIEWS THAT SOME INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE GETTING RADICALIZED I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS IN KERALA AND RATNAGIRI IN KONKAN EARLIER 25YRS AGO IT WOULD DIFFICULT TO FIND A WOMAN IN KERALA IN A BURKHA BUT TODAY IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO FIND EVEN A 10 YR OLD WITHOUT BURKHA IN KONKAN EARLIER IT WAS IT WAS DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HINDUS AND MUSLIMS THEY SPOKE THE SAME LANGAUAGE ATE THE SAME FOOD DRESSED THE SAME HAD COMMON ANCESTORS BUT NOW YOU HAVE GUESSED IT SOME OF THEM ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO LOOK ARAB

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Naveen

    You are absolutely right – from no burqua (which is totally foreign for this part of India, where Muslims have been living before islamic invasions), it is now total burqua.

    Swamy talked about “Malappuram” in his article. Malappuram had double digit growth in its population (of predominantly Muslims – 80%), resulting in 4 additional assembly seats from Malappuram district (all the other thirteen districts together had only a two seat increase). Obviosuly all those seats went to Muslim league, resulting in Congress led coalition winning by two seats majority.

    Coming to terrorism — Kerala has witnessed several of its Muslim boys particpating in Jehad all over India, including in Kashmir. Many have been arrested for particpating in terror training in Pak.

    The latst terrorism connection is with the Mumbai attack three weeks ago. Three of the arrested people are Kerala Muslims; two from Kannur and one from Kasaragod.

    Now, if anybody says Muslims in kerala are discriminated against, he or she shold be shot at!
    They are the second riches group (afterChristians), they own lot of lad especially in Kannur, Kasargod, Kozhikode, and Malappuram districts, they run sveral colleges including several medical and engg colleges, they have been in all Congress ministries including a short term stint as the chief minister; thereare seven Muslim ministers (of the 20) in OOmen Chady’s current cabinet. If they feel that they are discriminated and have to resort to terrorism, God help India.

    Swamy is not crazy. He is letting the citizens know. Congress govt has culpability.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Gopi

    What is the status of the professor case? (chopping off the christian professor’s hand)

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    tajender Reply:

    GOPI BEING RSS MEMBER U ARE THE NO1 LIAR ON THIS BLOG,TRUTH IS

    Hindu terrorism” becomes India’s No.1 problem
    OUR CORRESPONDENT

    Bangalore: When the Indian Govt. is so merciless on “Islamic terrorists”, arrested thousands of them, threw them into jail, keeping them indefinitely without any charge (take the case of Abdul Nasser Madani), why it is so kind and compassionate towards the deadliest Brahminical terrorists with proven charges of murder and mayhem?

    Why these terrorists are not put on trial, convicted and punished even after the Bengali Brahmin Aseemananda’s confessions of the crimes of all those named and arrested? Why the judiciary is silent ? The answer is it is also “Hindu”.

    Only Muslims arrested: Aseemnanda is not an ordinary criminal. He is a top leader of the Hindu terrorist party, RSS, and seriously engaged in hinduising (enslaving) the Gujarat tribals with the active assistance of its Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the killer of hundreds of Muslims in the “Gujarat Genocide”. His confessions have revealed that almost all the recent major terrorist attacks including Samjhouta Express train were the handiwork of the Brahminic terrorists. But the police arrested only hundreds of Muslims for all these “terrorists actions” and Hindu media blamed them of “conspiracy”. The people were made to believe an utter falsehood.

    Has the Indian police, prosecutor, judiciary, media, the state itself gone “Hindu”? Why then it is soft on Hindu terrorists even after their secrets have been disclosed by S.M. Mushrif in his book, Who Killed Karkare?

    We have been repeatedly writing that the greatest threat facing India is neither the Islamic terrorism nor the maoist menace. The one and the only threat facing India is “Brahminic terrorism”. Even Rahul Gandhi, who named it, is helpless — forced to keep his mouth shut.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Fruck u tjinder..

    We will ride you out of the country–yu are all pests ..whiners..not dong anything for the country..In fact taking a citizenship oath is not a bad idea..

    Hope swamy will unite all other Indians- Hndus, Sikhs, Christian, jain, budhists – against the backward, crazy Muslim jehadists

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Tajnder-

    What is not true?
    - that Malappuram had an increase of 4 assembly seats
    - that 2 MUSLIM guys are arrested from kerala in conjunction with the Mumbai attacks few weeks ago
    - that MUSLIM boys from kerala went to Pakistan for tarining in terror
    - That MUSLIM boys from kerala died in Kashmir
    -that Professor’s hand was chopped off by someMUSLIMS
    - that MUSL:IMS ar the second richest community in Kerala
    - that MUSLIMS have several professioanl colleges in kerala

    Atul Gupta Reply:

    Tajinder, you must be out of your brain. Hindu terrorism, this is something I have heard for the first time..There are ofcourse some radicals which exists in all society, from all culture but to call the terrorist is totally insane. Whatever happened in Gujrat was communally driven not particularly by any religion like it happened during independence and also in 1984

    This has been over time become very evident that Muslims all over have been sponsoring terrorism and spreading the hatred against all other religions in the name of promoting their religion. is Kasab a Hindu who after getting into custody chose to call him a Muslim. Its very simple, not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists indeed are muslims and hence you get a bad name everywhere. Just stop discriminating yourself by calling yourself great and I am sure things will be better for you in India atleast or till the time this great nation with 1.3 BN population is ruled by the Congress Govt who doesn’t feel for muslims otherwise but to secure a vote bank of nearing 2 crore (excuse if this figure is inflated or deflated), they promote their cause.

    tajender Reply:

    Whatever happened in Gujrat was communally driven not particularly by any religion like it happened during independence and also in 1984

    in gujrat bhmnst are carry out riots since 1969.all over india they have perpetuatedd 600 plus anti-muslims riots plundering the muslims.

    tajender Reply:

    Muslims all over have been sponsoring terrorism and spreading the hatred against all other religions
    gupta jee things are other around.if u have any proof submit.

    2 crores hindus work in muslim countries no one wants to leave.why.

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  • RajX

    What subramaniam swamy said is really disgusting and irresponsible. I am not sure why he said what he said. Maybe he is fishing for votes but I doubt if even the most virulent Hindu fanatic would agree with voting rights being taken away from one group.

    But two other things in Zia’s response caught my eye and maybe it’s an explanation for the existance of anti-muslim bigotry.

    One is

    “The one-man Janata Party’s chief Subramanian Swamy recently wrote a hate piece in a newspaper, calling for suspension of voting rights of Muslims until they accept and take pride in their alleged “Hindu past”.”

    By using “alleged Hindu past”, is Zia implying that Muslims are all foreigners or maybe is saying that not all Muslims were Hindus in the past but may have been buddhists and such. Not sure. Only he can clarify that.

    The second one is this

    “He also wants Hindus to “propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.” This is the mindset of Neo-Nazi radicals in Europe and elsewhere too.”

    He directly equates having a Hindu mindset(whatever that means) to neo nazism. If having a Hindu mindset is nazism, what can we compare the “Muslim mindset” which Zia has and does not hide at all? After all people having “Muslim mindset” from central Asia and middle east were occupying the lands of people with “Hindu mindset”( including Zia’a forefathers even though he seems to be uneasy about that) for more than a thousand years.

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    tajender Reply:

    hindu mindset means brhmn mindset.whose only aim is to rob and enslave india and indian.

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    tajender Reply:

    Biological defect of Brahmins
    swamy is not exception.
    Those who suffer from absence of empathy, exhibit some ominous signs: systematic suppression.

    The research revealed a biological anomaly among some group of people who regularly suppress the weaker sections.

    Robert Hare, a University of British Columbia psychologist, who has done this research says: The suppressor persecutes those whom he hates in a cold, calculating state rather than allowing himself to be carried away by the heat of anger. As the suppressed anger goes on accumulating, the anomaly emerges. Their heart rate drops, instead of climbing higher, as is ordinarily the case with mounting fury. That means they are growing physiologically calmer, even as they start boiling from inside and become abusive.

    Their violence appears to be a calculated act of terrorism, a method for controlling the weaker people by instilling fear. Such coolly brutal people are a breed apart from most other men.

    Certainly, it seems these are the very distinguishing characteristics of Aryans also. Though the Brahmins have only emotional intelligence, they have a lack of empathy or compassion. That means all Brahmins are criminals.

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  • Mansoor

    This in defense of Islam which Khosla and others have been trashing.

    Allah spoke thru the Quran and acted thru Muhammad.

    Allah’s words are in the Quran.

    Allah’s actions are in the ahadiths as the words and acts of Hazrat Muhammad.

    You should not compare Islamic values with western values as Islamic values are values that Allah gave us.

    for example when the Prophet married six year old Aisha Allah was sending a message that the actual age of nikah was not important. Muslim men had to wait till the female menstruated before consummating the marriage. That is why Hazrat waited three till Aisha had her first period and then had sexual intercourse with her.

    In Islam when a female begins menstruating she is a an adult fully capable of sex and/or marriage.

    Another instance is when Hazrat punished the Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe because they refused to accept him as the final Prophet. The reasonhe had the young boys killed was that they had attained puberty and therefore were considered adults.

    It is futile for Muslims to keep explaining to infidels like Khosla because they will never understand.

    Allah has a place reserved in hell for Khosla and his type of criminals.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    monsoor

    The chief imam o f Saudi Arabia has issued a Fatwa that girls as young as in cradle can be married away by her father. He said that is sharia, and govt or ruler acnnot have a different rule.

    He also said the only criteria is that the girl should “not be crushed” under the man’s weight.

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    tajender Reply:

    there is hardly any taker.so why u discuss.agae of muslim girl in general is as big as hindu christian.u discuss why delhi has become rape capital of world.why no women or old is safe.

    how mentally and physically handicapped india can face china.who is responsible for this.

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    SKS_Mumbai Reply:

    >>>>>>>Another instance is when Hazrat punished the Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe because they refused to accept him as the final Prophet. The reasonhe had the young boys killed was that they had attained puberty and therefore were considered adults.

    So Mansoor:

    It is perfectly legitimate to kill adults if they refuse to accept Hazrat as the last Prophet?

    Wow and this was in defence of ISLAM.

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    tajender Reply:

    IT IS FABRICATED STORY.ONLY 4 WERE EXECUTED.while during those days entire tribe used to to be killed for treason.

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  • Jai Khosla

    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha:

    ” What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one?”

    Aisha replied: “I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done. One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating.I was nine years old at that time. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold.

    And the Apostle of Allah he said: Come near me.

    I said: I am menstruating.

    He said: Uncover your thighs.

    I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and his face between my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    The above hadith is from Sunan Dawood.

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    tajender Reply:

    so what is the problem.

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    tajender Reply:

    ANOTHER KHOSLA SPECIAL…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Bengali language got international status because
    of Bangladeshi Muslims

    A Bengali Hindu on Hindu atrocities on Muslims

    THE MENACE OF HINDU FASCISM

    Dr. W.C. Deb

    Eminent Hindu leader of Bengal

    Says the three “eminent” Congress leaders — Lal, Bal, Pal — engineered partition of India. Hindu terrorist Savarkar’s call to “Hinduise politics and militarise Hinduism” inflicted so much violence on Muslims.

    Calcutta University was a Hindu fortress. Most Hindus in every village were richer than the richest Muslim. Not a single Muslim had cultivable land in my village. In the 80s, Hindu communalism transformed into Hindu fascism.

    It was the Muslim invaders who gave us the name “Hindu”. Savarkar formulated the “two-nation theory” much before Jinnah. The worst anti-Muslim culprit was Bankim Chandra Chatterji, a Bengali Brahmin, the author of Vande Mataram. Muslims never observed untouchability. That is how Dalits opted for Islam in a big way and got liberated.

    Muslim rulers Indianised themselves. Dalits fought Brahmins and when defeated embraced Budhism and fought them again after becoming Muslims. Bengali Muslims are mostly Dalit converts. Even Swami Vivekananda said “Islam was a great blessing and liberated the oppressed”. Upper castes partitioned Bengal. Gandhi was a cunning fox” and “a Hindu revivalist”.

    “Babri Masjid” was a Hindu conspiracy.

    Muslims are too poor to be polygamous but Bengali Brahmins were polygamous.

    Though an upper caste Hindu (Kayasth), Deb is very critical of Gandhi, Nehru, and all the Bengali upper castes. On the Babri Masjid, he says it was a Brahmin-instigated conspiracy as old as 1885. He quotes L.K. Advani, the villain who demolished the Masjid: “The Congress wanted the demolition and they had it done by us”.

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    tajender Reply:

    IT IS FROM CIA HEAD OFFICE AMERICA.

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  • Raju Kurien

    All

    It is easy to ridicule Swamy.

    But many of the issues he raised are real. Islamic terrorsm aimed at creating a permanent fissure in the society is real and ever-present.

    Muslims, instead of negating, should own ; work with the majority to create an India all acn be proud of, and flourish.

    Time for Muslims to get out of the coccon of false security, their future is wih all India, that they cannot resort to terrorism , that they cannot be different (of course practise their eligion, go to their mosque, but dont mae it the sumtotal of your life)

    India isyour homeland. But that cannot be a selective history starting with the good for nothing Quasim’s attack. Your forefathers were also Rishis of india–who wrote the geratbooks of Mahabharath etc.. Why do u negate those?

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    tajender Reply:

    KHOSLA HELP ME TO BAN THIS THOUGHT FROM INDIAN SOIL, punishment for sudra & respect for Brahmin
    If the sudra attacks a Brahmin with hands or with a stick the part affected should be noted and the sudra should be beaten severely at the same part of his body. His hand should be cut off, if he had used his hands. His legs should be cut off, if he had used his leg. (Chap.9.S.224,248).

    If the sudra takes away anything belonging to the Brahmin he should be tortured and killed. (Chap.9.S.248).

    If a sudra leaves his trade and seeks the trade of others, the king should confiscate his property and excommunicate him. (Chap.10.S.96).

    If a non-Brahmin enjoys with a Brahmin wife, he should be punished till he breathes his last. (Chap.8.S.359).

    If a sudra enjoys a Brahmin girl without protection, his male organ must be cut off. If he enjoys a Brahmin girl in a family, his body must be cut to pieces and his property should be confiscated. (Chap.8.S.374).

    For eliciting truth and for taking a promise, the sudra should be made to hold a hot iron or be immersed under water. (Chap.8.S.114).

    If the sudra’s hands are not scorched, and if he does not de in the water then only the words of the sudra could be taken as true. (Chap.8.S.115).

    A country where the sudras have no other work than being slaves, is the only right place where the Brahmin can live. (Chap.2.S.24).

    A Brahmin should not live in a place where the sudra is ruling. A Brahmin should not live in a place near the abode of the Chandalas (Chap.4.S.61).

    No right to the sudras:

    A sudra should not be taught the sastras. Brahmin should not given food to anyone other than his disciples or followers. Offerings of the homa should not be given to any sudra. Brahmins should not go for performing rites or pooja to any one who boycotted the Brahmins. (Chap4.S.80).

    The dead body of the sudra should be taken by the south direction. The dead body of the Kshatriya should go by north. The dead body of the Vaisya should go by the west. The dead body of the Brahmin should alone go by the east. (Chap.5.D.92).

    Brahmin rule:

    A king should receive preaches of the vedas and the sastras and all Brahmins. Every morning he must meet their demands and rule the country as dictated by the Brahmins. (Chap.7.S.37).

    A country ruled by a king will be ruined, if the vedic scholars and the Brahmins are made to suffer for food. (Chap7.S.134).

    If a king does not rule the country as is stated in the Manu’s code, (varnasrama dharma) the ministers and others should kill the king. (Chap.7.S.26).

    A sudra should be suppressed by the Brahmin without minding the powers of the king. If the varnadharma is dishonoured by a king, the Brahmins should take up the weapons and fight. (Chap.8.S.348).

    A country where a sudra administers justice, will undergo sufferings as a cow caught in the marshy pond. (Chap.8.S.21).

    Share in the treasure:

    If a king finds a treasure in his country he should first give half of the treasure to the Brahmins and take the other half only to his treasury. (Chap 8.S.38).

    Hanging:

    Punishment by hanging is not applicable to the Brahmins.

    Instead of hanging, it is enough if his head is shaved. Others could be hanged. .. (Chap 8.S.379).

    A Brahmin and a snake should not be heckled, even if weak in health. (Chap.4.S.135,136).

    Even if the Brahmin commits a very serious offence, he should not be tortured or hung. He should be sent away with his belongings. (Chap.8.S.380).

    Women:

    Bed, seat, beauty, pregnancy, anger, lie, betrayal etc. were created only for the sake of women. (Chap.9.S.17
    RAJU i put these fkng rishis on my foot who only robbed and cheated india and indian.98%of muslims are local while 100%of these bhangedi(druggists)nasedi(drinkers)are foriegners from central asia.they are liars murderers and killers,

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    S Singh Reply:

    So, what is your point tajemder..
    Are you committed to stop the traffic in your fellow Muslim Zia’s blog flow?

    Ok Brahmins screwed up the 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world..now what?

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    tajender Reply:

    U CAME BEFORE US SO U LEAVE BEFORE US.or stop teaching us ,as udont deserve this..u are killing and cheating india and indian since ur arrival here.hiding indian wealth in the basement of ashrams and temples thus paperizing india.

  • S Singh

    Muslims is a fu….up group.. Indian Muslims should be packed off to Pakistan, or begiven another piece (West Bengal) and make sure all Muslims from other states have been packed over to there.

    Precious time and energy are spent on these fools at the detriment of overall progress.

    Give them a state and get rid of Muslims in india. It has been too much.

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  • sajan

    why are indian muslims living in India? what is their identity? why are they rejecting to shift to their islamic neighbors? why ???? either they want the whole of india to become a mogholistan or they believe in their common indian identity of having hindu ancestors who under force, rape got converted to muslims….

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  • Anil Bonde

    I am strongly in support of what Dr. Swamy had said and written about how to wipe out Islamic terror in India. It is the need of hour for Hindus to be awakened as it relates with the survival of great Hindu dharma if we Hindus don’t react to the Islamic terror we are facing till today. Hindus must collectively respond as Hindus against the terrorist and not feel individually isolated.
    We Indians, especially Hindus have a tendency of only being reactive when the need of the hour is to be proactive.
    Why not those opposing Swamy did came forward when our crooked govt did not take any action on Arundhati Roy and Geelani for speaking in favor of dissolving India as a country. Why don’t they come forward when the terrorists like Kasab and Aafzal guru are not hanged even after the conviction by the supreme court of India? The blatant fatwa’s about Hindus to either convert to Islam or pay jizia tax, being issued from our own Indian soil has not been contested or the perpetrators brought to book. In the present day, such a tolerant attitude is considered a sign of weakness. Like what the Australian P.M. stated, we should announce a policy that anyone found supporting communal terrorism, even if covertly as sleeper cells, will be deported. This will be easier to accomplish than what has been suggested.
    Hindus have rights to obey, save their dharma and fight against those who try to kill innocent Hindus and try to defame Hindu.

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  • Gautam Gulati

    Tajender,

    I could not reply you yesterday. I did not understand your reply that how muslims made
    America go bankrupt ? Can you please explain me in simple language .

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    tajender Reply:

    thfrough war .they lost everything.got defeated on both fronts.now lies about killing ossama and illyas kashmiri.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Yes I can understand that due to war USA lost lot money and they are on the brink of bankruptcy. But my question was
    how muslims made USA bankrupt ? Do you mean to say that muslims asked USA
    to attack Iraq and Afghanistan so that they can go bankrupt.

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    tajender Reply:

    by not accepting their hegemony and deciding to fight.their greed for oil and their satanic desire to control world resources brought them into this area.

    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    You have still not replied me properly. My original question was that despite
    muslims being at the receiving end all of their life why they are they not doing anything.
    Are you all 1.5 billion people WEAK or COWARDS. I dont want to know what USA did.
    It seems you all only complain and do nothing and it proves that you all are either
    WEAK or COWARDS.

  • Gautam Gulati

    Ravi,

    Comming back to the so called fringe organisation in Malaysia whom you call lunatic.
    According to that Saudi not allowing worship places of other religions are lunatic.
    Pakistanis killing Ahemadiyas and victimising minorites on silly blashphemy law are lunatics,
    Taliban not allowing girls schools and killing men who are not keeping beard are lunatics.
    Deoband in India removing Vastanai is lunatic. Preperators of 26/11, 9/11 7/11 are lunatics.
    Issusing fatwas against Salman Rushdi and against Danish cartoonists are lunatic. The list can go
    on and on.
    Can you please tell me are their any sane people in this religion.? Looks like majority is lunatic.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Islam started with violence; spread mostly with violence; its foundation is hate and separation; its orientation is backwards and not forward

    No other creed in the world states to annihilate others who do not believe in its God and prophet.

    No other religion has 4th grade educated Mullahs as the “all knowing” front. Christian priests are highly educated, Hindu swamis are highly educated, Jewish Rabbis are highly educated, Budhist Monks are highly educated.

    Muslims love killing others – not only other religions, but in places like Pakistan, after killing others, thy have started killing among themselves defining who is the pure Muslim..

    Muslims have started their “second phase” of killing in India; the first phase being during the invasions and aftermth. Congress and state govts are dealing with this as a law and order problem. It is not.

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    tajender Reply:

    No other creed in the world states to annihilate others who do not believe in its God and prophet

    it is a lie.allah is rabbul allmeen.not rabbul muslemeen.

    Muslims love killing others

    BS before interference of hindu and christian zoinists in area everything was peaceful.while india had 600 plus ant-muslim communal riots killing and murdering thousands.

    Muslims have started their “second phase” of killing in India

    all phases of mascares and killing were committed by rss the brhmnst and and hindu zionists.criminals are in jail.hindu terrorism should be taken as national.

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    L Mirza Reply:

    tajider

    Time to stop this cr—. People like u make Muslims look bad!

    tajender Reply:

    i stop this but no more insult should come against our great prophet by these louts.

    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Pedophilia in Islam has prophetic origins. Muhammad married a six year old child and the rest is history.

    Let me begin with a quote from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.

    “A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”

    You need not fear that your Muslim male baby-sitter will rape your 7-year-old daughter. If he is a good Muslim he will only sodomize her.He is obligated to pay for any surgical repairs that may be required. If those repairs are deemed insufficient you may work out a financial settlement to compensate you for his trivial infraction. No big deal. Muslim boys will be Muslim boys. And, after all, she is only a girl.

    Other forms of sexual abuse inflicted on children by Muslim male family members include fondling of genitals, coercing a child to fondle the abuser’s genitals, masturbation with the child as either participant or observer, oral sex, anal or vaginal penetration by penis, finger or any other object.

    Another technique used by Muslim men is called “thighing”. The child’s legs are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the thighs of the little boy or girl. As this was how Mohammed had sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old the practice, of course, was approved of by Ayatollah Khomeini who in his Little Green Book asserted “It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.” Y

    es, indeed, you can be a good Muslim while copulating with the thighs of an infant. An Arab woman vigorously denounces this vile practice in the following video clip from Bahrain TV. Her denunciation of the “thighing” of infants and young girls comes towards the end of the interview.

    This practice flourishes in Muslim countries where women are ruthlessly oppressed and normal sexual development systematically suppressed. That would include the Arab world, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Deny men wholesome and natural sexual outlets and they will find unwholesome and unnatural alternatives.

    The Grand Ayatollah’s full ruling on marriage can be found here. The institution of “temporary marriage” appears to be designed to facilitate prostitution. A USA Today article tells the story.

    Homosexuality

    Islam has the effect of denying Muslim boys and girls the opportunity to develop their sexuality in a normal, wholesome fashion. The public mixing of sexes is prohibited by Islam although it may be tolerated by the secular governments of most Muslim nations. Denied the opportunity to have normal heterosexual experiences during adolescence and frequently the victims of sexual abuse by male relatives while they were growing up it is no wonder that Muslims are much more likely than infidels to find romance and sexual gratification in homosexual relationships. The following excerpt from a piece published in a gay and lesbian publication gives one a notion of Muslim sexuality in Saudi Arabia.

    “Ibrahim bin Abdullah bin Ghaith, the head of the religious police (the Committee for the Prevention of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue) acknowledged, in unusually tempered language, that there are gay Saudis, while also speaking of the need “to educate the young” about this “vice”. But he denied media reports that gay and lesbian relationships were the norm in the strictly segregated schools and colleges, that homosexuality “is spreading”.

    In an unprecedented two-page special investigation, the daily newspaper Okaz said lesbianism was “endemic” among schoolgirls. It justified the article with a saying of the Prophet’s wife Ayeshathat “there should be no shyness in religion”. The article told of lesbian sex in school lavatories, girls stigmatised after refusing the advances of their fellow students, and teachers complaining that none of the girls were willing to change their behaviour.

    Mr Ghaith dismissed a suggestion that he should send his “enforcers” to investigate. Armed with sticks, they routinely hunt down men and women in public they suspect may not be directly related. “This perversion is found in all countries,” he told Okaz. “The number [of homosexuals] here is small …” That assessment is contradicted by teachers and students who say that, in the absence of other outlets, a “gay” subculture has inevitably flourished among youth.

    “A particularly beautiful boy always gets top marks in the exams because he’s some teacher’s favourite,” said Mohammed, an English teacher in a government high school in Riyadh. “On the other hand, I know many older boys who deliberately flunked their final exams so they can stay … with their younger sweethearts.”

    Ahmed, 19, a student at a private college in Jeddah, said there was no shame in having a boyfriend in his private high school. Although he firmly rejected the label “gay”, he admitted that he now has a “special friend” in college, too. “It’s those who don’t have a boy who are ashamed to admit it. We introduce our boy to our friends as ‘al walid hagi’ [the boy who belongs to me]. At the beginning of term, we always check out the new boys to see which are the most ‘helu’ [sweet] and think of ways to get to know them.”

    Gay marriage is not the contemporary invention of decadent Western civilization. The Egyptian city of Siwa has for centuries legitimized and celebrated marriages between Muslim men. No other community has done more to suppress heterosexual behavior thereby making homosexuality the norm. A gay cruising guide to Siwa provides both historical background and tips on finding gay sex partners in that city — truly a no-brainer. Gay marriage is also practiced in Afghanistan. News reports documenting that fact and others about rampant Afghan homosexuality can be found here. Paradoxical though it may be, Islam calls for the severe punishment of homosexuality while at the same time working diligently to make that forbidden practice more attractive. An excellent analysis can be found here.

    If you have a particular interest in the Islamic persecution of homosexuals al-bab.com is a good place to pursue it further. As this form of barbarity is inflicted on Muslims by Muslims and is relatively rare I will not dwell on the matter much further. The overwhelming majority of homosexuals who have been murdered by Muslims died because they were infidels. Count the millions murdered and multiply by whatever percentage incidence of homosexuality you fancy. You will get a very, very large number in return.

    Bestiality

    Is there a proper Muslim way to have sex with animals? Indeed, there is! Guidelines for sex with animals can be found in the writings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Two excerpts from his writings serve to clarify the matter.

    “A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.” Don’t the buyers deserve a discount of some kind?

    Khomeini’s “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

    “If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.” What if it was really good and invites another lap or two? Must animals always be one-night stands?

    Ravi Reply:

    Gautam

    I am not denying that the incidents you mention are real, they are tragic. But they are perpetrated by lunatics.

    The general population of Pakistan, Malaysia are just as much fed-up of these lunatics as you and I are.

    By all means condemn them, for they deserve that. But do not generalise from their behaviour and entire religion.

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  • Aaloke

    Dear Friends,

    I think with such amount of information now available from very reputed Muslim sources and combining it with well documented and researched History of Islam, only a stupid ( or someone who has to show that he/she is an intellectual / liberal which makes that person even more stupid ) will say that Islam can or has lived peacefully with others. What needs to be done is cold and non emotive analysis of Trap a Muslim gets into , what is the solution for making him come out of this trap, how the solutions can be implemented in India and through out world. We have to remember that Muslims are the first victims of this ideology. They are our brothers and sisters. We have to make them come out of this dark pit. However till Muslims come out of this violent philosophy, we may also have to take protective actions against them . In line with above need, we need to understand this cult and adherents to this cult using Socio-Pscycological studies. Solutions may be derived by these studies.

    I had posted below in Zia’s last Blog . I am posting it once again. The post was addressed to Jai Khosla.

    Your analysis in your long but informative post is completely correct. I have also been writing something similar to this effect in my posts on Vinod Sharma blog. Unless we go to basics and root of problem, we can not find the solutions.

    What really fascinates me is following issues for which we need to get into areas of Socio- Psychological analysis:

    # With such mountains of facts on Islam (Koran, Mohammed , Behavior of Islamacised rulers and people from all over world for last 1400 years ) available, how can such well read and intelligent people become apologists of Islam.
    # What happens to a person / community when they are forcibly converted.Many of their menfolks having been killed, many of their young women raped, kidnapped, even then how they slowly start adjusting to new realities . How there next generations starts behaving like the same people who ruthlessly forced themselves on their earlier generations.
    # How brainwashing happens from early age in Islamic societies . How fear and hatred are instilled in them. How longing for Koranic heaven and fear of Koranic hell are deeply embedded in their psyche.
    #How Women who are treated as third class humans accept it and even some educated women defend it.
    # How a cult based on such abnormal ideology can grow to such a large extent and survive for 1400 years without being seriously mauled from outside and inside.

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    tajender Reply:

    Thinking people all over the world have now realised that the very survival of the human race is at stake. The danger posed by the Brahminists is not so much known outside India —.

    Together, the zionists and their more dangerous Brahminist cousins constitute a sadistic and dangerous Satanic cult.

    They are well-organised and well-funded. The entire banking industry and media are in their pocket. Both these weapons are used to subvert every institution. India has been pauperised and reduced into a beggar nation.

    Henry Makow warning: Unless we wrest control from these twin Satans, we are doomed. Fortunately we need not take much pain to finish them. Being suicide-prone, the two cousins are digging their own grave by triggering the World War-III in which every country in the world including America will join to push them into war and fry them alive.

    We must get ready with whatever weapons to defend ourselves and this Mother Earth they are killing.

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  • Jai Khosla

    The annual Ramdan farce is here again. The Ramdan fast is a an insult to intelligence. Muslims, all they do, is to skip lunch. They eat to excess between sunset and sunrise. Abstaining from liquids is against the wishes of God who would not like any of us to punish our bodies by skipping liquids. Only Allah would send down such foolish rules. Millions of working non-Muslims skip lunch throughout the year, so what is the big deal other than to pay homage to some 7th century child lover?

    Quran 2.187 requires all Muslim men to stay in the mosques and pray to Allah between sunrise and sunset. Why are Muslim men disobeying Allah?

    “It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them. Allah is Aware that ye were deceiving yourselves in this respect and He
    hath turned in mercy toward you and relieved you. So hold intercourse with them and seek that which Allah hath ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn. Then strictly observe the fast till nightfall and touch them not,
    but be at your devotions in the mosques. These are the limits imposed by Allah, so approach them not. Thus Allah expoundeth His revelation to mankind that they may ward off (evil).”

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  • tajender

    If “terrorism” did not exist the racist Israel could not have been created. Brahminists repeated this terrorist lie and today India is full of “terrorism”. Every day new and newer terrorism is invented. The two evil forces killing the world are playing upon “terrorism” to destroy the society’s immune system.

    Muslims are not terrorists. They are victims of the Brahminical terrorism, the twin founders of the Satanic Cult.

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  • tajender

    Zionists & Brahminists — Satanic cult governing us — will be wiped out when World War-III begins
    Zionists and Brahminists are the world’s only two micro-minority cult and yet the cruelest creatures who have posed a danger to the entire humanity. Today, the zionists are forcing President Obama to attack Iran but, as already predicted in DV, that would surely lead to World War-III. We certainly welcome such a war for two reasons. (1) Such a war will end all future wars (2) and that will surely shift the balance of power from the West to the East — straightaway making China the world leader

    singh gulati and khosla,the following is my forecast,

    The second Intifada may coincide with the Iranian attack on Israel on one side and Lebanon on the other. The entire Muslim world will rush suicide bombers to Israel.

    The zionists, who engineered the two World Wars will then force the Third World War that will be more deadly and more prolonged than the two previous wars.

    Jump into Mediterranean Sea: The zionists in Israel, cornered from all sides, will then have no other go but to jump into the Mediterranean.

    China and Russia, all the Muslim countries, plus Venezuela, Brazil, the entire African continent will support Iran. Except “Hindu India”.

    The micro-minority pro-zionist rulers of India, surrounded by enemies outside the country and hated inside by the overwhelming indigenous Moolnivasi Bahujans, will then have no other go but to commit mass suicide and follow their zionist cousins. Good riddance to bad rubbish

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Tajuddin

    Will you obey Allah this Ramzan by staying in the mosque and praying between sunrise and sunset?

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    tajender Reply:

    yes 100%.

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    Aaloke Reply:

    Good Riddance for day time. Will have to suffer in night.

    tajender Reply:

    aaloke,

    Both Zionism and Brahminism thrive and survive only on wars, blood, hatred and lies. The zionists invented “terror”, meaning Muslims. And the copycat Brahminists followed it.

    If “terrorism” did not exist the racist Israel could not have been created. Brahminists repeated this terrorist lie and today India is full of “terrorism”. Every day new and newer terrorism is invented. The two evil forces killing the world are playing upon “terrorism” to destroy the society’s immune system.

    Muslims are not terrorists. They are victims of the Brahminical terrorism, the twin founders of the Satanic Cult.

    Both the zionists and Brahminists do not believe in god. But they sell god to us to deceive us and make money. They threaten us and bully us in the name of god. They believe not in god — but Satan.

    A Satanic Cult governs the world. This cult will die with the World War-III. i assure you.

  • tajender

    s.singh balwinder the shudra khosla and ravi the sher,

    u want hindu rashtra based on following,

    Reports

    SECRET OF BRAHMINIST RULE OVER INDIA

    Keep Bahujans starved by diverting funds to war & violence
    OUR CORRESPONDENT

    Bangalore: The world has just learnt the official announcement of China becoming the world’s second most powerful economy, overtaking Japan. But the Hindu rulers of India, who have kept the over 85% of its slaves crushed, are least bothered about the failing health of the country. Because they say the country does not belong to them as they are Aryans, aliens and invaders.

    They say their job is to rule India at any cost and they have been successfully doing it since centuries.

    BAHUJANS HAVE NO ENEMY
    In 1962, China crushed India in a border war and even after about 48 years the border dispute remains unsolved. On one side the Indian rulers are spending so much on “defending” Kashmir where the local people are on perpetual revolt. On the other side it is spending its resources on guarding the Himalayan borders against China. And fighting Pakistan.

    A major portion of the Indian tax-payers money is being diverted to defence expenditure, further depriving funds meant for the food, clothing and shelter of the 85% indigenous Bahujan have-nots.

    OUR MONEY DIVERTED TO WAGE WARS
    Since the West, led by its Jewish hate-mongers are against China but chummy with the ruling “Jews of India” it is very difficult to get at the truth in this series of conflicts between India and China, Pakistan, Kashmir.

    The native Bahujans are peace-lovers. They are poverty-stricken, illiterate and devoid of health care.

    But the ruling micro-minority Brahminists are diverting our money to wage war against the these “enemies”.

    Reading between the lines in Western media reports, we were able to make out that China-India relations are as bad as ever — if not deteriorating because India’s policy-making is in the hands of the hate-mongering Brahminists who being “Jews of India” always go hand in hand with their Jewish cousins.

    China has patched up its differences with all its neighbours as far as border disputes are concerned — except India. The 4,000 km border between the two is the main bone of contention even after half a century. The border dispute affects pockets in Uttarkhand, Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh — thousands of miles.

    OFFICERS SIPPING WHISKEY
    Such a lengthy border is manned by our Bahujan soldiers in freezing cold round the year. The Army bosses, all Aryan upper castes, spend time sipping whiskey in the cosy comforts of army clubs.

    Brahminical rulers giving shelter to the hated Tibetan refugee, the Dalai Lama, is the main source of trouble between the two countries.

    Whenever the Hindu rulers want to irritate China, they let loose the well-fed Tibetan hounds to attack the Chinese embassy in Delhi despite the embassy enjoying all the diplomatic privilege and protection. The entire police force deployed to “protect” the embassy belongs to our Bahujan Samaj.

    DALAI LAMA’S HEINOUS ROLE
    As long as this hated Dalai Lama is pampered and protected by the Indian rulers, China will never be ready for any reconciliation with India. Political observers say the Hindu rulers are sheltering the Dalai Lama, a stooge of the West, only to irritate China.

    Does it not mean India is deliberately diverting billions and billions of rupees meant for its Bahujan have-nots for border defence? Who asked the rulers to wage war against these countries?

    BORDER DISPUTE DELIBERATELY NOT SOLVED
    If the rulers are genuinely interested in the well-being of its own population will it divert such huge funds for border defence?

    Aryan rulers hate Bahujans and to punish them they play such war games.

    The only thing that guides and directs the Indian upper caste rulers is hate. They hate the over 85% oppressed, starving Indians and that is why to keep them permanently under slavery they are not solving the border disputes.

    In other words there is no chance of a border settlement with China.

    WANTED MORE BOMBS
    The Hindu rulers have just pushed through a nuclear deal with US which the observers see as a sign of America trying to use India against China. India became a nuclear power to fight Pakistan. Now it wants more bombs and more powerful ones to face the super power China. That means more money will be diverted to buy bombs.

    BRAHMINISTS GAIN IN EVERY WAR
    Look at the American hypocrisy. It is against Iran going nuclear but it is giving all-out help to further enhance the capabilities of the already nuclear power (India).

    The hate-mongering Jews, after enslaving the White Western Christians, forced the West to attack Islam. Iraq and Afghanistan are pounded. But the West did not win — rather defeated. Their next target is said to be China for which they are using India’s Brahminical rulers.

    Having been once defeated, is it ready to face China, now a super power? The Aryan rulers are not bothered.

    If there is a war with China or Pakistan those who die in battlefield are our people. The money meant for us will be spent. Both ways the Brahminists stand to gain.

    China is fully aware of all these developments and that is why it has encircled the whole of India. All the countries surrounding India have become closest allies of China after Hindu rulers quarrelled with every neighbour.

    ITCHING FOR ANOTHER WAR WITH PAKISTAN
    Pakistan and “Hindu India” had several wars and Indian rulers are itching for another war. “Hate Muslim” campaign is at its height in India.

    Brahminical terrorism led by the Abhinav Bharat is preparing the ground with Israeli funds and weapons.

    But China has assured full support. It has become Pakistan’s biggest supplier of defence hardware and fighter planes and guided missiles. And even bomb.

    As long as Brahminical rulers continue to hold India’s neck, the Bahujans will be kept at starvation level with war and violence against neighbours always exploding on our face.

    But when will the Bahujans wake up? When will they understand the Brahminist game to keep us enslaved? No answer.

    REFERENCES:

    DV April 16, 2010 p.6: “Dalai Lama: DV wins”

    DV Oct.16, 2009 p.12: “Dalai Lama promotes second Israel inside India”.

    DV Sept.1, 2009p.11: “Brahminical rulers itching for war with China?”

    DV Edit Aug.16, 2009: “China tightens grip on India’s neck: Brahminical rulers unconcerned because they remain unchallenged”.

    DV May 1, 2009 p.11: “Dalai Lama is a hated blood-sucker feudal lord”.

    DV April 1, 2009 p.9: “Dalai Lama admits defeat”.

    DV Dec.16, 2008 p.8: “West realises its mistake on Tibet”.

    DV Sept.1, 2008 p.13: “World recognises China as super power”.

    DV July 16, 2008 p.23: “Dalai Lama as CIA pimp: Killers of democracy funding him”.

    DV Edit April 16, 2008: “Dalai Lama propped up by US to irritate China: Vaidik rulers bid to pelase West will harm India”, p.3: “USA using India to liberate Tibet”, p.4: “British backing Dalai Lama”.

    DV Edit Feb.1, 2008: “PM’s China visit fails: His mad love for US will not allow him to embrace Beijing”.

    DV July 1, 2007 p.19: “Indian rulers are not honest in friendship with China”.

    DV Dec.16, 2006 p.7: “No peace with China until Dalai Lama is kicked out”.

    DV May 16, 2005 p.10: “China as hope of Third world”.

    DV April 16, 2005 p.23: “India can never, ever overtake China because of caste system’.

    DV Edit July 16, 2003: “How can Hindu rulers driven by hate & hegemony generate love & peace with China”.

    DV July 16, 1999 p.11: “Chou Enlai predicted Nehru bid to establish a great Brahminical empire in India”.

    DV Edit Oct.1, 1985: “Who Faked the boundary document: It is time to patch up with China”.

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    Police raid on Calicut book house
    A CORRESPONDENT

    Calicut: The office of the Other Book was raided on Aug.6 2010. The police team was led by Calicut Assistant Police Commissioner Showkath Ali. There was no search warrant. The police told the media that they had not seized any incriminating data from our office (Hindu, Aug.8, 2010). The reason for the raid was said to be that an accused in an undisclosed case under the Aluva police station limit possessed a book and pamphlet whose publisher they wanted to trace. The incident was part of the state-wide attack on Popular Front of India, a Muslim socio-political organization in connection with the attack on Prof. Joseph, who prepared a question paper insulting Prophet Muhammed.

    The Brahmin-Nair led marxist-front Govt. of Kerala has proved to be more dangerous to Dalits and Muslims than the Manuwadi-Congress govt. The Other Book is a scholarly publishing house with which Dalit Vioce is closely associated. DV members in Kerala and Malabar in particular must strongly defend the Other Boook — EDITOR.

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    Kerala OBC youth under Nair attack
    A CORRESPONDENT

    Ernakulam: V.S. Shine, an Ezhava youth (OBC), SNDP Yogam activist, and a close associate of Vellappally Natesan, its powerful general secretary, a Kerala Govt. servant hailing from Alleppey dt. is being hunted for writing a blog in internet (www.vichitrakeralam.blogpost.com) on the Nair past history based on proven historical facts. Nair (sudra) is the most oppressive upper caste in Kerala. Both are ruling Left front and the opposition Congress are controlled by Nairs and Syrian Christians. In the past the notorious custom of Nambuthiri Sambandam, which a famous Nair, Swami Dharmatheertha, was roundly condemned in his book, History of Hindu Imperialism. The Nair Service Society chief lodged a complaint against Shine and the police are after him. The “marxist” (CPM) govt. of Kerala is more casteist compared to the Brahmana Jati Party (BJP). Shine fortunately got bail with stringent conditions. Nair police, Nair govt. advocate, Nair judiciary colluded with each other to finish the Ezhava youth. SNDP Yogam activists, Ezhavas, Kerala’s single largest caste, want to make this an international issue of human rights violation and naked racism. Meanwhile, the poor Abdul Nasser Madani, finally out of the Coimbatore Jail on concocted charges, is once again facing Brahminical fury. This time they are bent upon jailing him and finish him there.

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    LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
    Ms. Saleena Karim, London: I am a British Pakistani writer who became interested in the debate over the so-called Pakistan idea a few years ago. I happened to discover that a quote attributed to Jinnah was a fake and wrote a book about it (released in 2005, now out of print). Since then I have also attempted to start a ‘Jinnah Archive’ of Jinnah’s speeches online. My current book is a political biography of Jinnah and an in-depth discussion of the Pakistan idea (seep.28). I have taken the position that speaking in terms of either a ‘secular Jinnah’ or a ‘Muslim Jinnah’ is too black-and-white and that Jinnah has been misunderstood because of this simplistic categorisation. I also argue that whilst Jinnah was protecting Muslim interests he was by no means ‘communalist’ and defended the civil rights of all minority communities, whatever their faith or ethnicity, both in pre-partition India (for instance in the Round Table Conferences in the 1930s) and later in Pakistan. Finally I have suggested that Muslims in Pakistan have failed to understand Islamic idealism and that this is directly responsible for their inability to resolve Pakistan’s ‘ideological’ question. More information about myself and my work is at my website: http://www.secularjinnah.co.uk.

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    THUS SPAKE PERIYAR

    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening: Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only. Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour. Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.

    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).

    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).

    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:

    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).

    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).

    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month (Chap.3.S.250).

    There are seven varieties of sudras:

    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional worker. (Chap.8.S.415).

    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).

    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras (Chap.10.S.43).

    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these. (Chap.8.S.125)

    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced. (Chap.10.S.235).

    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins. (Chap.8.S.413).

    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).

    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).

    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).

    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so, he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).

    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).

    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).

    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.272).

    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).

    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281).

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  • tajender

    KHOSLA ESPECIAL PART4 QUALITIES OF HINDU RASHTRA.

    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening: Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only. Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour. Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.

    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).

    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).

    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:

    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).

    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).

    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month (Chap.3.S.250).

    There are seven varieties of sudras:

    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional worker. (Chap.8.S.415).

    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).

    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras (Chap.10.S.43).

    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these. (Chap.8.S.125)

    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced. (Chap.10.S.235).

    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins. (Chap.8.S.413).

    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).

    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).

    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).

    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so, he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).

    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).

    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).

    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.272).

    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).

    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281).

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  • Gautam Gulati

    Tajender.

    If you have missed my question above I am repeating it .

    You have still not replied me properly. My original question was that despite
    muslims being at the receiving end all of their life why they are they not doing anything.
    Are you all 1.5 billion people WEAK or COWARDS. I dont want to know what USA did.
    It seems you all only complain and do nothing and it proves that you all are either
    WEAK or COWARDS.

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    tajender Reply:

    barring few countries where zoinists attack peace exist everywhere.these 2-3 places now enemies are retreating with tailes between their legs.we are not brhmnst who always sell their country to highest bidders.u cleaned the shoes of moghuls then britishers now american corporates.
    we never sell soveriegnity of our country.

    MANY NEW FACTS ARE COMING IN KHOSLA SPECIAL 5 AND 6.

    NOW I AM IN SURAJKUND ENJOYING MY LIFE WITH PUNJABI BUND.SHE LOOKS TO BE CLOSE RELATIVE OF LOUT KHOSLA.

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  • Jai Khosla

    Muhammad did not invent monotheism. The Jews had been worshipping a single god for centuries, so had the Christians. The Pharaoh Akhenaten in Egypt’s eighteenth dynasty had put a single sun deity at the centre of worship two thousand years before Muhammad.

    Monotheism makes totalitarianism and intolerance much easier. If there is a single god then only one way of doing things is right, so people can be judged quickly and easily as good if they are believers or thoroughly evil if not. Monotheism is probably responsible for more human suffering than any idea ever thought up by man, with the possible exception of the idea that faith is a virtue, but we can’t solely blame Muhammad. Whatever his myriad faults are originality of thought is not one of them. I have been racking my brains for a few days trying to come up with any original thoughts invented by Muhammad but I have drawn a blank.

    Muhammad did not invent slavery. Slavery had been universal across Africa, Asia and Europe for as long as anybody knew. Slavery was considered to be totally normal. We can’t blame Muhammad for inventing slavery.

    However we can say that he thoroughly endorsed the practice and engaged in the trading, keeping and taking of slaves himself. It is absurd to think that somehow slavery, which we acknowledge to be profoundly evil could somehow have been perfectly reasonable at another time in another place. This is nonsense.

    Simple human empathy tells us very clearly that we would not want to be enslaved and so we should regard making, keeping and trading of slaves to be totally abhorrent.

    If we were introduced to a man who lived in the desert who traded slaves we would not show him respect, we would be right to be seeking his arrest and that was not possible then we should consider the possibility of killing him if that would lead to the freeing of slaves.

    Slavery is in some ways a very clear black and white issue: slavery is wrong, no ifs or buts, and anybody who is involved with it deserves the maximum legal penalty available, after a fair trail if it is practical to do so, but an active slaver needs putting out of business at once however this is achieved.

    Muhammad did not invent the practice of marrying very young girls. Men had been demanding virgin brides for centuries, and they had got them. A man’s fear that his wife might be carrying another man’s child, or that she would have experience of sex with another man so as to find her husband inadequate had long been a force in society which had led to the practice of marrying off very young girls.

    Muhammad married Aisha at the age of six, he watched over her until the age of nine when he took her into his household as his wife, with all that this normally entails. He did not invent the practice. This was what men did when they wanted a wife who had literally never even thought about having sex with another a man. Of course it’s barbaric and primitive, but it was not invented by Muhammad. He wasn’t that original.

    Ironically despite his best intentions Muhammad was not secure in his utter ownership of his child wife Aisha. She was unfaithful to him. Muhammad declared that Aisha was innocent after a convenient divine revelation and decreed that from then on all accusations of adultery (which includes rape) require four reliable witnesses, which of course means men.

    To this day women are being thrown into prison or even stoned to death in places where sharia law is applied for the sin of being raped without enough reliable witnesses.

    Muhammad did not invent the ritual sacrifice of animals. The Hebrews had done it for thousands of years. Animal sacrifice was also done by many other civilizations, the Greeks did it too, but they also sacrificed pigs, a practice that the Hebrews didn’t like because the sounds and smells of a sacrificial pig are too close to the sounds and smells of a sacrificed child. After all, it was only their refusal to sacrifice children which made the Hebrews stand out in any way among the other primitive bronze age semi-nomadic herders around the Middle East, they were not in any way that we recognize civilized, scientific, advanced or moral people. They were polygamous, genital-mutilating, animal sacrificing, women-oppressing, wine guzzling slave owners just like their neighbours, but they made their sacrifices only to the jealous god, so that was alright then, wasn’t it?

    Muhammad did not introduce animal sacrifice to Arabia as his tribe and many others had been sacrificing to their Pagan gods for centuries and the younger Muhammad himself had both sacrificed to pagan gods and eaten the meat of that sacrifice.

    Muhammad did not invent homosexuality, paedophilia, pederasty, the oppression of homosexuals nor hypocrisy over homosexuality. He merely carried on the traditions of persecuting homosexuals while extolling boy love and offering the cheap promise of plentiful supplies of fresh young boys for those who would die fighting for his cause. What exactly does a martyr with 72 virgins need young boys for? The Qur’an is silent although it does promise boys to martyrs..

    Muhammad did not invent the circumcision of boys. Neither did the Jews, who probably copied it from the Egyptians. Circumcision was carried out across large parts of Africa, Asia and the Middle East. It is a strange barbarous practice, of little obvious merit and yet it survives very well, it seems that men who have been circumcised have to believe it was done for a good reason even if logically they know the reasons given by their parents are bogus.

    Perhaps there is simply too much cognitive dissonance in the idea that your parents who say they love you would amputate part of your genitals, without either consent or anaesthetic without there being a sound reason behind it somewhere, if only you could find it.

    Many circumcised men have devoted their lives to a retrospective justification for this barbaric practice. Time after time these excuses have been dismissed, time after time the circumcisers come back with new ones. The latest argument is that circumcision reduces the spread of Aids, a man with Aids will give it to almost every person he has vaginal or anal sex with whether he is circumcised or not but a circumcised penis is less effective at acquiring the virus in the first place. A bit less. Of course condoms give far more protection to the man and so much more protection to his partner that even to hint that such surgery is an effective option is bordering on the obscene.

    Muhammad did not invent female circumcision either. This too was widely practiced across Africa and Arabia before his time. Today the butchery of the genitals of young girls is widespread across Africa, practiced by Muslims, practitioners of African traditional religions and Christians. Female Genital Mutilation is very common in Egypt and Ethiopia among Christians, it is nonsense to blame this on Muhammad.

    However, female genital mutilation is now happening in the West , and that is something we can blame Muhammad for. Of course it is thoroughly illegal to do such a thing to a girl and the law should deal with it as on a par with kidnap, rape and criminal mutilation. But it is a matter of cultural and religious sensitivity. Cultural sensitivity be buggered. Anybody involved in this practice, including teachers and neighbours who fail to report it, should be charged with conspiracy to commit sexual assault and malicious maiming.

    As far as it is physically possible to remove the potential for sexual pleasure from a woman with a bit of a sharp stone this is what they are trying to do. Calling it circumcision is a euphemism. It does not cut around the sex organs, it excises them. As a minimum the clitoral hood and the tip of the clitoris is removed. There is no tissue in the human body with as many touch-sensitive nerve cells in it as the tip of the clitoris. The only function of this tissue is to give sexual pleasure and to trigger orgasm. So to the mind of the control freak this has to go. A woman who enjoyed sex might want to do it, and if she wanted to do it she might want to do it with the wrong man. And if a woman had sex with the wrong man the sky might fall in.

    Why would a god design something in order for it to be removed by people wielding chips of flint while holding down a struggling child? That is clear evidence that religion and gods are man-made. Men benefit from multiple wives who endure sex rather than enjoy it. Just men. There is no benefit to the woman at all, she has her potential for sexual pleasure removed and gains nothing in return, not even the respect of her husband, who regards her as his sexual property. I have come across Muslims trying to argue that female genital mutilation somehow protects woman against rape, how this is meant to work is beyond me.

    I cannot hide my contempt for any man who would allow his daughter to be surgically altered in order to make her a more pliant and easily dominated wife. The whole concept is disgusting on so many levels. As for the women who do this many of them buy into the lie that it is essential to curb “immorality”.

    But as I said, Muhammad didn’t invent this barbarity either. He was not an original thinker.

    In fact Muhammad didn’t do much original thinking at all. He took a people who were child-marrying animal sacrificing polygamous genital mutilators who marched around a fallen meteorite using a crescent moon symbol for their goddess and he turned them into theocratic monotheistic child-marrying animal sacrificing polygamous genital mutilators who marched around a fallen meteorite and marched off to war under a banner of a crescent moon.

    Muhammad stole the god of the Jews along with several of their prophets. He even stole their genealogy with the absurd claim that he was descended via Ishmael from Abraham.

    Before he turned forty when he turned to propheteering for fun and profit Muhammad the merchant travelled quite widely and met Jews, Christians and Greeks, whose ideas emerged later in the inspiration he claimed to receive from Allah or the angel Gabriel. He also had companions who were Jewish and others who knew the beliefs of Christians.

    Muhammad was epileptic, he died after complaining of head pains for several days and many accounts of him seem to suggest somebody whose brain activity was at times lightly fried. This may explain why information he had taken in over a lifetime of international business emerged in this form. On the other hand he might have been as much of a conscious fraud as convicted conman Joseph Smith the founder of Mormonism or L Ron Hubbard the founder and first CEO of Scientology.

    There’s no way he can be dismissed as being too stupid or ignorant to have been deceitful, he might have been illiterate, or dyslexic, but he was obviously both charismatic and intelligent. Idiots don’t build empires.

    They sometimes run them, the names Caligula and George W Bush spring to mind, but they never build them. Founding an empire requires talent, intelligence, application, often charisma and ruthlessness: just think about Hitler, that is the kind of man who builds an empire. No halfwit or ignoramus has ever founded a civilization or started an empire.

    The smarter a person is, the less likely it is that they didn’t know what they were doing. Sincere holy man or cynical manipulative despotic charlatan? We will never know but how many people have a problem with that choice when thinking about L Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith? I suggest it is simply patronizing to suggest that people of that earlier era were more honest and too innocent to be manipulative. There is only ever the here and now, nobody believes that they live in the era when mythical heroes can do miraculous things.

    From the Christians he stole the useful ideas of the afterlife, heaven, and hell. If you read the Old Testament you should notice that nobody before the time of Daniel thought for one moment that there would be any experiences at all beyond death. The Muslim version of the afterlife is taken clearly from the Christian version of those two places, with a suitable adaptation to the tastes of desert nomads: more emphasis on exotic water features and more sex.

    Muhammad was a camel-mounted pirate, a warlord, a child molester, a slave trader and the murderer of defenseless prisoners. His trial for crimes against humanity can stop there as he has done more than enough to justify a life sentence without prospect of parole.

    It really is not necessary to charge him with being a coward on the battlefield or being a paedophile and as far wiping his arse with his hand or drinking camel’s piss we don’t need to bother with such trivia. The briefest outline of his biography reveals that here is a man who invented a religion for his own benefit, a religion which has grown out of control due to the overkill of its own memetic ruthlessness. If we as a species wish to remain free we have to combat the spread of this dangerous religion.

    It is not possible for a religion to arise which does evil and nothing more. Nobody would join it or bring their children up in it. Islam offered some improvements over the previous situation in pagan Arabia. The status of women improved, or so Muslims have claimed, they were no longer treated like field slaves to be whipped mercilessly, they rose in status to that of house slaves, to be patronized and whipped mercifully.

    Muhammad also swept away much of the old order’s rigid structures of class, he had some tendencies which you could almost describe as egalitarian. Not democratic socialist of course, let’s not get carried away, but he did institute a taxation system which worked to alleviate absolute poverty.

    So, when you compare him to tyrants he stands alongside those tyrants who while conquering a lot of people, slaughtering his enemies, selling their children and raping their women did manage to do a few things to add to the positive side of the ledger. Like Alexander the Great, or Hitler, who loved dogs and built the autobahns and encouraged Germans to go on seaside holidays to the Black Sea.

    But when you compare him to great spiritual leaders like Guru Nanak, Confucius, Laozi, Jesus or Buddha, well, he looks like a ruthless tyrant.

    It is nonsense to declare than any bunch of ideas once discovered to be based upon unprovable superstitious bollocks thereby gains the status of a religion and so is automatically deemed to be A Good Thing and worth having in whatever amounts it is served up in.

    Religions vary from the Mostly Harmless such as Anglicanism to the hideously dangerous such as those which declare that all outsiders are an abomination and should be killed. While it is conceivable that a more overtly threatening religion could be devised which was even more hostile to the freedoms we hold dear in the western world than Islam it would almost certainly have to feature many of the dangerous elements collected by Muhammad the plagiarist.

    The claim that the status of women improved under Muhammad is hotly disputed by many who say that the status of women went down under Islam. Women lost the right to own and control property. Muhammad’s first wife, Khadijah, who was a wealthy widow and trader in her own right employed Muhammad before marrying him.

    Perhaps years of being the husband of one older wife who was wealthy and powerful in her own right contributed to his rather extreme treatment of women. It is difficult to give credence to the idea that the status of women before Islam could possibly have been so low that the Islamic rules would actually be an improvement, however the crux of my argument does not require Muhammad to be a paedophile, a coward or a misogynist, we already have more than enough evidence to convict him of being a mass murderer, armed robber and slaver trader as well as being the cynical creator of scriptures that he must have known were faked for his own convenience and personal aggrandizement.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    disgusted by gulati, jai khosla and s sinngh- virulently islamo phobic
    disgusted by Ravi pakistani and tajender- rabidly hindu phobic

    listen to Ravi’s comment, I mean how low can this ‘educated’ man get-
    “”"Ravi Reply: Why dont u ask your self why Dhropdi was shagged by 5 brothers”"”
    then ravi begs us to believe he is a hindu or sikh
    ————————–
    REQUEST EVERYONE PL IGNORE TAJENDER PL PL

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    tajender Reply:

    PRAAJEE I ONLY REACTED NOT ACTED.these louts are really stupids.they are not hindu,they are only anti-muslims.i have so much of material for them.they will really apprecite me.abhi satyarayan kee katha shiv pqarvati kee shadi.

    aap idhar na aaya keejiye.ravi has written fact.entire hindu mythology is actually ponography.

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    Aaloke Reply:

    Dear Balwinder ji,

    Let the truth come out. Have’nt we tried to brush such things under the carpet for last 60 years. Has it helped. Was’nt British Prime Minister Chamberlain trying to be nice with Hitler. Did it help.Hase’nt Europe and America tried to be good with Muslims and Islam since last 50 years. Has it helped.
    One has to understand, ideologies which may be stupid , but harmless for general populace are still OK. We can keep ourselves aloof from them. However, you can keep quiet with dangerous ideologies at the peril of your own extinction. So speaking truth with facts is very important. Can you tell me specifically where Jai Khosla has said something which is a lie. If he has, we should exactly point it out.

    Unfortunately we can not be goody-goody with every thing. We have to expose true nature and intent of Islam. This is in the first place good for our Muslim brothers and sisters .

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    tajender Reply:

    you tell me specifically where Jai Khosla has said something which is a lie

    he is concentrating of married family matters not political matters.if i start discussing how krishna used to fk his neighbours wife radha.it will be disgusting.

    muslims (nearly half the world)follow his political vision and his justice system.discuss.nobody follow him for 9 year old marriage.though among indian hindus it still happens.those days it wa common.

    u know ur religion is full of pornography.i can write hundreds and hundreds.but these punjabis and sindhis are more anti-muslim than pro-hindus.

    what muslims have done to europe.they have destroyed many muslims countries u hinhus are fkng them financially.everday one is caught.

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    Aaloke Reply:

    Brother Taj,

    You are already writing Hundreds and Hundreds of vile things against Hinduism, so that is not a threat. Offcourse almost every comment of your is without any basis and reference document.. Like Jai has informed you clearly that thousands of books have been written by Hindus. If we have to discuss about Hinduism, then we have to base it on basic scriptures which are Veda, Gita, Upnishads etc. We also have to base it on how these scriptures have been interpreted by various Hindus through the ages and how they have been practiced. Jai is making all his statements referring to Koran and Hadiths which are recognized and respected by Muslims. He is also referring to respected Muslim Historians and writers on what they have written.
    So if you really have any point on Hinduism other than some gibberish without any head or tail that you write, then write coherently and with reference of Scriptures and practices. You can be taken seriously only then. Till that time no one will read your mile long posts.
    Frankly brother, I think you have got yourself into a terrible psychological trap. I only hope you come out of this and see light of real reason.

    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    Yes I said that.

    Yes I fruking proud of it.

    Did you read what it was a reply to.

    No

    Because you are a Challa Sikh

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    Are you proud that you are product of 5 Mullahs shagging.. ?
    Dhakkan…Bloody liar.

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    tajender Reply:

    what is lie in this.

    tajender Reply:

    this balwinder is most idiot blogger dont be angery on him.he should remain at sharma blog
    why this moroone donkey come here i dont know.

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  • Gautam Gulati

    Balwinderji,

    Why you are disgusted with me.? I have just asked Tajender a simple question and I am still
    waiting for him to give me a proper reply. Have I abused muslims or Islam ?

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    tajender Reply:

    ye hamare praajee hain is blog ke tomcat hain.kisi ko ched sakte hain.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Ignore him. Nothing is going to affect him .

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mohan,
    This Taj is low life liar muslim who will even pi$$ on Quran to protect his LIE…His lie is more than Quran..This is what you call true muslim..self-preservation.

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    tajender Reply:

    i will piss and spit only on the as$of yr mother.u r true son of a b1tch.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Again not by answering and uses bad words during Ramadaan, you have spit on Quran 6th time in 2 days. Nice going.

  • Gautam Gulati

    Balwinderji,

    Hum aapke jaise bade dil waale nahin hain. Some time someone has to retaliate.

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    tajender Reply:

    most welcome.hamare pas bhe koi kaam nahin hai.lekin sach par chalo.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Tajender,
    Aajkal ramadan hei. Tum agar sachche musalmaan ho to apni aur ravi ki true identity batao. I am sure you will not lie or hide during ramadan.
    If you duck this question, you will be basically spitting on Quran.

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    tajender Reply:

    what identity u want .u know i am muslim and indian.pakistanis dont know anything abt hinduism.i am brought up among hindus so i know everything.
    naam nahin batonga.
    ravi is good man but i dont know who he is.like u.i know u are also good man but dont know who are u.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ramadan ka samay hai miya, apna naam batao..India mein Kahan se..

    As far as Ravi is concerned, you know who he is but being a muslims you are bound to lie.

    You have already spitted on Quran by hiding your identity and telling lies on Ravi.

    As far as I am concerned, I am a north Indian who was educated in Maharashtra, practices hindu faith but comes from Sufi lineage. I am against ritualism that is hallmark of Islam, Xtianity, Judaism and also hinduism. I believe in one god and totally reject religious interpretation of god.
    I am in IT industry for decades now and make a honest living. Anything more..My Name is Rajeev S (As I am anti-caste, I’ll just reveal that I am part of upper caste who have denied rights to lower castes including your ancestors for centuries).

    tajender Reply:

    rajeev u dont trust dont talk ON THIS MATTER.in worldly matters dont bring religion geeta or quran.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Taj,
    Now you are using deception another Islamic technique to avoid difficult question.
    You don’t worry about Geeta but worry on Quran on which you spitted twice during month of ramadaan. Shame on you.

    tajender Reply:

    Ramadan ka samay hai miya, apna naam batao..India mein Kahan se..

    zhoot batanein se na batana achcha hai.more i am from up.presently contractor in gulf countries.also has canadian residence.i dont like canada so shuttle between india and
    gulf.
    i hate brhmnsm as i consider this as root cause of all evils in india and world.not a practising muslim.half my family is brhmn.from high caste but i hate brhmncl treatment to othrs.bsc engineering.true name will prefer to hide.
    pls talk in better language.
    balwinder is after u.i dont know ravi met him on blog like u.never enquired about him.and why.

    with u also i never enquired about u.but telling somebody liar without full enquiry is not good.

    i know u are refugee this i guessed from ur accent.because people from other side of border whether hindu or muslim are very harsh.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Taj,
    As you have confessed to being Mian, I’ll call you Tajuddin.
    Hiding is far bigger crime than telling lies. You have spit on Quran third time. On the very first day of Ramadaan you have insulted Quran just to hide your identity,

    As far as Ravi is concerned, he has exposed himself to be Islamic fundoo just like you.

    You did ask me about my identity. Your half of family is brahmin, but you are a muslim..never heard of such brahmin-muslim family but let me confess Brahmin-Muslim is deadly combination. Ek kahavat hai “Ek to karela us pe bhi neem chada”…Now I know why you behave this way. Problems with genes..

    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Tajender,

    I am still waiting for the reply. Are you all WEAK OR COWARDS. ?

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    tajender Reply:

    what is ur actual question.

    tajender Reply:

    do u have objection on this,

    Both Zionism and Brahminism thrive and survive only on wars, blood, hatred and lies. The zionists invented “terror”, meaning Muslims. And the copycat Brahminists followed it

  • http://- Rajeev

    I find views of Swamy irrational bordering on insanity. How can we pack off 150 million muslims to pakistan? We had a god given chance in 1947 when pakistani leadership proposed swapping hindu-muslim population but our leaders especially Nehru rejected it not for the love for the muslims but to keep them in India as bulwork against hindu right.

    I frankly find Swamy’s views as mirror image of Islamic views. Infact Quran itself contains views which are swamy-like. If we condemn Swamy, we should condemn mohammad and his Quran.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Agree with you Rajeev. Swamy is a fool.

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    tajender Reply:

    when pakistani leadership proposed swapping hindu-muslim population but our leaders especially
    muslim leadership never proposed anything like this.brhmns never wanted muslims to leavetheir presence was must to play the politics of hindu majority and muslim minority.they were afraid in absence of muslims 85%hindus will turn against them.
    we are victim of their game plan.

    Agree with you Rajeev. Swamy is a fool
    itni purani khabar aaj kyon de rahe hain i know him from 1974.jab yeh intellectualism kee mashal le ke newyork se ude the uar isreal hote hue delhi par intellect aur knowledgr kee baarish kar dee thee.failed to convince people .phir intellectualism kee yeh mashaal kisi ur cia israeli agent ko de ke
    madras kee taraf nikal gaye.

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  • tajender

    Brahmin Iqbal on fellow Brahmins

    The following Iqbal’s Persian couplet will tell you the poet-philosopher-statesman’s depth of knowledge about India’s Brahmins and their Brahminism.:

    Nigah darad Brahmin kare khudra
    Ba kas hargiz na guft israre khudra
    Mira Goed keh uz Tasbih Bigzar
    Badosh-e-Khud nihad zunnare khudra

    Translation: Brahmins conceal their secrets and do not open their hearts and share them with non-Brahmins. They preach and persuade others to change their minds and ways in accordance with BSO (Brahmin Social Order) and they themselves do not want to change and mend their ways and means.

    The famous poem, Sare Jahan se Accha, was written before 1905. It is a song composed on the spot at a meeting held in YMCA Hall, The Mall, Lahore, Pakistan.

    This song is named as Tarana-e Hind included in the first Urdu book of poetry under the title of Bang-e-Dara.

    Iqbal wrote a poem on Guru Nanak (founder of Sikhism) in which he depicted the tragic plight of Untouchables/shudras:

    “Aah (Alas) sahudar ke liye Hindustan gham khana hai”
    Dard-e-insani se is basti ka dil begana hai”

    Translation: Alas, Hindustan ( India ) is a chamber of pain and horror for untouchables/ shudras. This land of Brahmin is totally devoid of all human feelings and sentiments.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Zia was denied visa for US..The reason is obvious looking at his columns and blogs. I find it amazing that HT has a resident pro-terror journo in their staff.

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    tajender Reply:

    why balwinder wants to remove u from all blogs.

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  • tajender

    balwinder,

    then ravi begs us to believe he is a hindu or sikh
    ————————–
    can anybody deny what he has written about draupadi.this is written by hindus.
    u are truely a challa sikh.

    why u are worried by anybodys religion.in west this is considered limit of bad form.

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    tajender Reply:

    can anybody deny what he has written about draupadi is wrong .this is written by hindus

    why u are worried for anybodys religion.in west this is considered limit of bad form.

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  • Aaloke

    Brother Taj,

    You are already writing Hundreds and Hundreds of vile things against Hinduism, so that is not a threat. Offcourse almost every comment of your is without any basis and reference document.. Like Jai has informed you clearly that thousands of books have been written by Hindus. If we have to discuss about Hinduism, then we have to base it on basic scriptures which are Veda, Gita, Upnishads etc. We also have to base it on how these scriptures have been interpreted by various Hindus through the ages and how they have been practiced. Jai is making all his statements referring to Koran and Hadiths which are recognized and respected by Muslims. He is also referring to respected Muslim Historians and writers on what they have written.
    So if you really have any point on Hinduism other than some gibberish without any head or tail that you write, then write coherently and with reference of Scriptures and practices. You can be taken seriously only then. Till that time no one will read your mile long posts.
    Frankly brother, I think you have got yourself into a terrible psychological trap. I only hope you come out of this and see light of real reason.

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    tajender Reply:

    i wrote against brhmnsm not hinduism .jai posting is not original.this is part of anti-muslim propaganda by cia.he was concentrating only on his marriage .those days this was a custom.this propaganda was prepared by britishers during their occupation of india.

    in christianity more marriages are prohibited.which is wrong.in islam and other religions u have
    more marriages.if i start discussing geeta i should not concentrate of 1603 wives.

    every asaspect of prophet life is respected to us.he is respected and followed by people for islamic justice and social system.and egaliarism.he never discussed anything like.

    YOU SAY So if you really have any point on Hinduism other than some gibberish without any head or tail that you write
    SUPREME court has passed judgement that hiduism is not religion.it is system which is used to enslave the people and steal the wealth.this is called brhmnsm.this money is also used create riots bomb planting and weakening the society.
    mr jai or u can discuss any aspect .concentrating on one marriage is non sense.what u do in ur home i am not interested what u do to socety and human being.

    hundreds of brhmns like mn roy have called indian masses to convert to islam to get freedom from slavery of brhmns.9o%of the corrupt are coming from these people.

    pls specify if i have written anything wrong.i am as good indian as u are.

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    Aaloke Reply:

    Dear Taj,
    I already knew type of your answer. I consider you and other Muslims as my brothers and sisters. If my ancestors had not evaded those terrible times when millions of people were forced to become Muslims, I also may have been speaking and thinking like you.

    Anyway, you have gone too deep in this . I don’t know whether there is any immediate remedy.

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    tajender Reply:

    dear mr aaloke there was no forced conversion.there cannot be anyother lie bigger than this.brhmn cannot be dalit and dalit cannot be brhmn inspite of this muslims never asked these people to come in their fold.some places like in bengal where brhmncl suppression reached its peak they converted.same in kerala and some other part of india.
    muslims always considered them selves as manager of india not its owner.
    they serve the country in best possible way.from mueshidabad to ahmadabad best cities road system postal system transport system was developed by them.

    hindu system has come egypt.they are continously sucking wealth from society

    what is nonsense of hindu-muslim we should join hand to make india strong.

    but brhmnst forces are dividing us that is why i hate them.i love hindus(indian)but hate those who hurt them and divide them.

    jai khosla is evil person.in seventh century we had libries with million books.islam has produced best philosopher thinkers scientists.discuss them.this filthy literature was written by britishers after1857 to divide indians.

    thanks for reading.

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    disgusted by Ravi pakistani and tajender- rabidly hindu phobic

    listen to Ravi’s comment, I mean how low can this ‘educated’ man get-
    “””Ravi Reply: Why dont u ask your self why Dhropdi was shagged by 5 brothers”””
    then ravi begs us to believe he is a hindu or sikh
    ————————–
    REQUEST EVERYONE PL IGNORE TAJENDER PL PL
    just dont understand why ppl dont ignore tajender- what do educated, cultured, nice, polite Indians get out of descending into gutter with his vile anti hindu bashing
    IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE

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    tajender Reply:

    everybody is not a challa sikh like u.u are an pure idioit never contribute anything just create nuisance like a child on blog.u deserve to be kicked out from here.my bashings are pro hindu anti-brhmn.u also write some time.

    all ur friends have left u or laugh at u.u are a communal donkey nothing more fight with everybody.
    i hope next time u will not show up here.

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    tajender Reply:

    disgusted by Ravi pakistani and tajender- rabidly hindu phobic

    ur upper chamber is empty hence dont show ur as$again here.ur contribution to any of the blog on HT is big ZERO.

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  • tajender

    Balwinder Sandhu says:
    August 2, 2011 at 10:05 pm
    this was the SICK DEPRAVED COMMENT made by Lahori Ravi

    “””Ravi Reply: August 2nd, 2011 at 12:45 am. Why dont u ask your self why Draupadi was shagged by 5 brothers
    anything wrong.u are opening hindu muslim war here communal narrow minded challe sikh..
    it is not muslim countries but in india that millions of women are killed either in womb or burnt alive
    all ur literature is full of atrocities on women.

    krishna had 1603 wives use to fk his neighbours wife called radha.every year u glorify this illegitimate relationship.

    u are most communal mindless challe on this blog.

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    tajender Reply:

    challe i have lot stories writtenby britishers on guru nank.childhoodi if i see ur as$here again u will read many of them.so better fk off.

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    tajender Reply:

    hindus have made film on this.every brhmn teacher of primary school teaches this story to his students with shinning eyes.
    ravi is not hindu.if he wrote what mistake he has done.

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  • Jai Khosla

    Some honest advice for Muslims. This is the month of the farce called Ramzan when you guys and grls, owing allegiance to Arabia, skip lunch, eat like pigs between sunset and sunrise as Muhammad ordered and then claim you are fasting. This preposterous claim only further aggravates the fact Muslims and Islam have become the laughing stock of the civilized world, the non-Muslim world.

    You have to become honest about your foreign Arabic faith and take some concrete steps that should include the following.

    1. You should admit that Islam is not a revealed faith but a faith that is of human construct.

    2. You should admit that the Quran, because it is of human construct, is a flawed book and full of, therefore, errors and major flaws. It cannot be used as the basis of any laws although there may some good things in there that are worth following.

    3. And this is very important: you should admit that Muhammad was a seriously flawed man: he was a pedophile, a slave monger, a murderer, a bandit and a blasphemer. He was brillinat man but came out with the wrong religion for his people.

    Once you admit the above Islam can go on a correction path and Muslims will gain some respect of which they have none today.

    Asa first step Muslims should declare that no Muslim will waste the average of 25 lakhs rupees per Muslim making the pilgrimage that is currently wasted on the hajj every year.

    Globally this waste is estimated at 500 billion rupees, money that should instead be spent on the education of Muslims, not the madrasssa type education but a solid grounding in the sciences and in critical thinking and questioning.

    As a start subcontinental Muslims should take a pledge that the hajj is dead and that instead they will build a elementary school through university institution strictly for women.

    Muslims women are biggest lower caste ever created, they have unequal rights and can be beaten up. They must be liberated.

    An educated and liberated Muslim woman will bring up liberated and educated Muslim children. It is unfortunate that men will not do that but that is the way it has always been.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Jai

    You are right on educating women….that is the key

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    tajender Reply:

    in all muslim countries women are more educated.than india.in tehran university percentage of women is more than men.papers written by them are no lessto their american counterpart.

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    tajender Reply:

    can educated and liberated ladies finish lnd puja bandar puja and hathi puja.

    for ur information educated are more muslim than uneducated.i became after reading islam.

    Asa first step Muslims should declare that no Muslim will waste the average of 25 lakhs rupees per Muslim making the pilgrimage that is currently wasted on the hajj every year

    pur saal 33 crore devtaon kee nautanki bharat mein chalti hai.spoiling billions of working hours and billions of worth of money.which at the end is stolen and sent to ashrams or international banks ,makes india and indian poor.will u declare this is fraud.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Bandar puja and hathi puja is no worse pujaing an idol named Allah who commands the beating up of women. Ganesh and Hanuman never commanded the beating up of wives nor did they appoint a prophet who was a pedophile, a murderer, a slave monger, a slave owner, a bandit and blasphemer.

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    tajender Reply:

    it is in india that 49%of hindu women are enemic.26000 are burnt alive for bringing less dowry.
    millions are raped another millions are murdered in womb.

    in western india women man ratio has become really bad.

    u accept without shame that hindu is the most immoral religion in the world.

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  • Jai Khosla

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCNtKSLZNJY

    Watch the above for a picture of true Islam

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    tajender Reply:

    this is bullshit she looks prostitute will speak nything for which she is paid.during iraq war CIA hired many like this.which later on found to be **** were looting americans.

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  • tajender

    DEAR gautam gulati, The world’s sole super power, USA, is defeated in Afghanistan — defeated by a rag-tag terrorist outfit called Taliban. The same tribal Muslim force once defeated Soviet Russia, also a super power then.

    : The implication is al-Qaeda wins. Osama Bin Laden (if there is one as publicised world-wide by the US and the Jews controlling it) is laughing in his Tora Bora caves.

    Brahminical rulers of India, tail of USA, are deeply worried because they have invested a lot in the corrupt Afghan ruler Karzai. Bribing him, they have been waging a war against Pakistan through Afghanistan. All is lost now.

    USA ate dust in Iraq and now shit in Afghanistan. With this, the US sole super power status will start falling — along with the dollar alienation. Unless the Christian America frees itself from the zionist noose, its defeat will lead to disaster.

    libyan mess will finish britain as world power.

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  • tajender

    ravi see jati prema,u only tell one truth which is not even hidden every body is at your neck,

    in case of madhwa brhmn i saw same,

    Look at the entire Brahminical lot which stood by the notorious Karnataka Brahmin, Kalmadi Suresh Rao, the MP from Pune, despite all his proven highway robbery in the Commonwealth Games. This is called the real love for jati — “caste identity”.

    Brahmins work and think as one man. The community will never let down even when he is proved a rascal. Kalmadi case proves this.

    Why this love, solidarity, jati prema is lacking among our people.sikhism and islam stands for truth not for gangesterism.

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  • tajender

    As you have confessed to being Mian, I’ll call you Tajuddin
    i told u 3-4 month ago u knew.i also told i like name of ramavtar and tajender as they are names of my friend.what is new.hiding is not crime.cheating lying or hurting somebody is crime.there are hundreds of brhmn muslim family in up created through intercaste marriage.
    i told u i hate brhmnsm as it is cult and their bad attitude towards their servants and general people.
    because of me thousands of sikh and hindus are working in gulf area.i told u i was contractor.i am first indian.i telling all these because of ur roohani background.
    what i write is important not my name.
    i am happy to know that u r it man earning ur living through honesty.

    Problems with genes..
    i am 100% muslim though non practizing.brhmns are very very good people.like alqaeda is bad not general muslims.

    karela aur neem chadha ,kavahat up mein pujabieon ke liye kahee jaate hai.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You again ducked the question. You have spitted on QUran again. Your score is 4 in two days. Well done.

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    tajender Reply:

    wrong and rubbish.now stop on this.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You ducked the question again and spit on Quran once more…Score 5…Tera Allah tere ko Jahannum dega..murtad..kafir..

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    tajender Reply:

    न्यू यॉर्क।। अमेरिका में एक फेडरल जूरी ने 19 भारतीयों समेत 26 लोगों को लाखों डॉलर की हेल्थ केयर और ड्रग डिस्ट्रिब्यूशन स्कीम में धोखाधड़ी के मामले में आरोपी बनाया है। ये सभी मेडिकेड और निजी बीमाकर्ताओं के पास झूठे दावे दाखिल करने के आरोपी हैं। अमेरिका की अटॉर्नी के मुताबिक, आरोपियों में डॉक्टर और साइकॉलजिस्ट शामिल हैं।

    भारतीय मूल के एक फार्मासिस्ट को इस फर्जीवाड़े की साजिश का केंद्र बताया जा रहा है। इस शख्स का नाम बाबूभाई पटेल (49) है। जूरी ने पटेल को 34 मामलों में दोषी ठहराया है। उसे करीब 26 फार्मेसियों का मालिक और नियंत्रक बताया जा रहा है।

    आरोप है कि पटेल ने इन फामेर्सियों पर अपना मालिकाना हक और नियंत्रण छुपाया, जो कि इस फर्जीवाड़े में लाभार्थी हैं। पटेल पर आरोप है कि वह डॉक्टरों को रिश्वत की पेशकश करता था, घूस और दूसरे लालच देता था। इसका मकसद उनसे मेडिकेयर, मेडिकेड और प्राइवेट इंश्योरेंस वाले मरीजों के लिए पर्चे लिखवाना होता था। पटेल डॉक्टरों से ऐसे पर्चे बिलिंग के लिए उसकी फॉर्मेर्सी पर भेजने के लिए कहता था।

  • tajender

    digvijay will soon india.indians have lot of hope from him.

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  • tajender

    ravi bhai problem with sikh is this,

    The Sikh people are fully under the Brahminical yoke and nobody can save them. Brahminical Sikh preachers are usually found on TV, propagating the Brahminical preaching and teaching. Every Sikh woman is asked to do varta like karva chouth and visit all temples like Vaishno Devi. The Sikh people are forced to become the illegal children of Brahmins and follow the Manu Smriti.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Despite repeated requests not to spit on Quran, Tajender has spitted again and again on Quran and is now threatening to pi$$ on QUran…WHat a muslim!!! Wallah..

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  • shiney

    Thanks for sharing the link to Swamy’s article. I actually find nothing wrong with what Swamy said except that i dont 100% agree with his solutions suggested.
    But in terms of stating the problems the country today faces, i dont think he was wrong. When minority consolidation isnt wrong, y is any call for majority consolidation branded as ‘communal and divisive’???
    As regards this article, it doesnt deal with the issues raised by Swamy rather side tracks all issues by repeating same old jargon again.
    If you dont care about somebody’s taunts, then y bother writing a big article about it and inflicting more tensions between people, dont we already have enough? If u can spread some cheer, do so, otherwise just stick to providing solutions on how u think things can be improved upon rather than deriding others

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  • Jai Khosla

    I have stated before that Partition was a good idea becayse Muhammadans and non-Muhammadans can never live together. Study any nation where Muhammadans exceed 1% and there are problems. There are only 25 Muhammadans in the UK and they have already bombed the Tube and more bombings are inevitable.
    What is bad is incomplete Partion.

    How do we get Muhammadans in India to leave and settle down in Pakistan or Bangladesh or some other Muhammadan country?

    We will be happy to take in all non-Muhammadans from Pakistan and Bangladesh once all Muhammadans leave India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    They have lived in Kerala happily enough for over a 1000 years.

    Come to think of it one could say the same about karnataka.

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    tajender Reply:

    but high caste led by rss and high caste syrian christians have joined hands to convert kerala into another somalia.

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    tajender Reply:

    order has come from their fatherland america.

  • Jai Khosla

    WE must be undersatnding of Muhammadas. Their mother is generally also their aunt and their father is also their uncle. They marry within their families and the indoor sport has ruined their genes permanently.

    Read what Tajuddin writes–evidence of defective genes.

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  • Jai Khosla

    From Tabari and Lingis

    The Prophet and his daughters now went to live with Sawda in her new house; and after a month or two it was decided that ‘A’ishah’s wedding should take place. She was then only eight or nine years old, a child of remarkable beauty, as might have been expected from her parentage…

    Small preparations were made for the wedding- not enough, at any rate for ‘A’ishah to have had a sense of a great and solemn occasion, and shortly before they were due to leave the house she had slipped out into the courtyard to play with her passing friend. In her own words: “I was playing on a see-saw and my long streaming hair was disheveled. They came and took me from my play and made me ready.”

    Abu Bakr had bought some fine red-striped cloth from Bahrain and it had been made into a wedding-dress for her. In this they now clothed her. Then her mother took her to the newly built house where some women of the Helpers were waiting for her outside the door. They greeted her with the words “For good and for happiness- may all be well!” and led her into the presence of the Prophet. He stood their smiling and combed her hair and decked her with ornaments. Unlike his other marriages, at this there was no wedding feast… then they all went their ways, and the bridegroom and the bride were left together.

    For the last three years scarcely a day had passed by without one or more of ‘A’ishah’s friends coming to play with her in the courtyard adjoining her father’s house. Her removal to the Prophet’s house changed nothing in this respect. Friends now came every day to visit her in her own apartment – new friends made since her arrival in Medina and also some of the old ones whose parents, like hers, had emigrated. “I would be playing with my dolls,” she said, “with the girls who were my friends, and the Prophet would come in and they would steal out of the house and he would go out after them and bring them back, for he was pleased for my sake to have them there.” Sometimes he would say “Stay where ye are” before they had time to move. He would also join in their games sometimes, for he loved children and had often played with his own daughters. He would fondle all of us one after the other. The dolls of puppets had many different roles. “One day,” said ‘A’ishah, “the Prophet came in when I was playing with the dolls and he said: ‘O ‘A’ishah, whatever game is this?’ I said: ‘It is Solomon’s horses,’ and he laughed.” But sometimes as he came in he would simply screen himself with his cloak so as not to disturb them.

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  • Jai Khosla

    It is notable that Pakistan including Occupied Kashmir (POK) is virtually cleansed off of non-Muslims, with most driven to India. Had India followed similar policies, the Indian part of Kashmir wouldn’t have Muslim majority — negating the need for self-determination.

    The role of Pakistan in its sponsorship of terrorism that has led to ethnic cleansing of almost all non-Muslims from the Kashmir valley is well established. Fundamentally, Islamic Pakistan could not indoctrinate and sponsor acts of “self determination” of Muslims in a secular India while
    ethnically cleansing Hindus and other non-Muslim minorities (to India) wherever it encounters them.

    It is true that Muslims too got ethnically cleansed from Punjab. But it was a one-time event that occurred during the partition. The fact that Muslims remain in India in large numbers is an indication of its limited scale.

    The Kashmir issue, originated in 1947, is intimately linked to ethnic cleansing of non-Muslim minorities by Pakistan since 1947. Therefore, the Kashmir problem could not be discussed, without at the same time addressing ethnic cleansing of non-Muslim minorities in the Indian
    subcontinent.

    Clearly, Pakistan must be made accountable for these dastardly deeds.

    When India was partitioned, an understanding had been reached between Indian and Pakistani leaders that minorities in their respective countries would migrate to their respective lands. Thus all Muslims had to go to either East or West Pakistan.

    Pakistan kept this promise and ethnically cleansed almost all of its Hindu and Sikh population to India. These refugees had to leave behind their considerable properties virtually overnight for India.

    In 1947, at the time of partition, the population figures were 330, 27 and 30 million people in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh respectively. In terms of area, India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh constituted 1.3, 0.3 and 0.06 million square miles.

    Population percentages were 85%, 15% and land percentages were 75% and 25% for India and the united Pakistan (West and East Pakistan) respectively. Thus, India had to accommodate 85% of the population in 75% of the land.

    So, Pakistan got a much better land deal during the partition compared to India.

    It is important to realize that the partitioning of India in 1947 was made on the basis of population levels in various regions. Thus, these acts of ethnic cleansing has created a land imbalance in Pakistan’s favor that can only be corrected by transferring land from Pakistan to India.

    Let us now study this issue of ethnic cleansing. In 1947, Hindus constituted over 25% in Pakistan and 36% in Bangladesh. Now, they are less than 1% in Pakistan and about 8% in Bangladesh, thanks to Pakistan. While in India, the Muslim population has risen from about 10% in 1947 to about 15% today.

    These facts clearly establish India as the aggrieved party in the hands of a criminal Pakistan.

    It must be clear by now that any fair and appropriate approach to dealing with Pakistan has to involve demanding land from Pakistan.

    What should be demanded?

    Pakistan owes India at least 1/3 of its entire land-mass, as it drove away more than 20% of its Hindu and Sikh population from Pakistan and POK in 1947; also over 10% Hindus from Bangladesh in 1971.

    India should therefore demand at least half of Sind and half of Western Punjab (only real state, without Muslims).

    As a penalty for the expensive Kargil intrusion and ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Indian Kashmir, and in POK, Pakistan should vacate and the line of control should be moved further north, with areas including the Mangala dam becoming part of India.

    Do only Kashmiri Muslims have the right to “self-determination” and join Pakistan along with the land?

    What about the human rights of non-Muslims and their descendants who have been ethnically cleansed to India while losing their properties, including land?

    There is a vital human rights issue at stake — the right of non-Muslims in the Indian sub-continent to have a secular land, where they feel secure and eventually prosper.

    That land can only be India as every Muslim majority area in the sub-continent has become virtually non-Muslim free due to ethnic cleansing and discriminatory Islamic laws. These are legitimate survival issues for the Indians. Indians both internally and externally, should bring focused attention of these genocide actions by Pakistan that has become almost free of Hindus and Sikhs.

    In summary, it will be to India’s strategic advantage to bring up the issue of minority ethnic cleansing by Pakistan. This should be brought up in any future talks with Pakistan. India should also formally file a complaint to the UN Security Council and the International Courts, portraying India as a victim of minority ethnic cleansing and demand the kind of “accountability easures” suggested here.

    These ideas also form a basis for a legitimate military pressure and future operations leading to the annexation of Pakistan’s land-mass. If India couldn’t make Pakistan accountable for its ethnic cleansing through land annexation, the proxy war through the acts “self-determination” of
    Indian Muslims would escalate.

    It will destroy India’s economy and put its long-term survival under jeopardy.

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  • tajender

    MAHATAMA RAVAN KEE KAHANEE HAMARE PURKHON KEE JUBANI.

    Ravana: A Non-Violent “Gana-Nayaka”, (Chief of Republics) Contemporary with the Buddha

    Sidhartha Gautam Buddha and Ravana were contemporary.

    The principle of the Dhamma of Buddha and culture of “Rakshas” of Ravana were more or less similar. The Brahmins’ culture of Ashrams had spread their web throughout the area to spread their concept of God and Yajnayas over the Adivasi thereby causing great danger to the traditions of Adivasi republics. There was a great conspiracy by the Vedic Rishis to start the internal revolt and struggle amongst different Adivasi republics because in North India the Buddhists created a strong influence. The Aryans had prepared themselves to oppose the Buddhist challenges.

    Mahatma Ravana was a great world renowned hero of the Raksha Gana. Walmiki himself has called him Mahatma. Ravana was grand son of Pulsta and son of Wirsawa. In the Adivasi language Koytur “Pulai” means lion. The totem of Pulstya was lion. Trunbindu was wife of Pulstya. Wirsawa, whose other name was Kubara Virendu, had a wife Kakeya and Ravana was their son. The name Ravana has originated from their totem, though the complete name of Ravana is different. Ramdeo Paswan in his book “bharat se Arya”, mentioned full name of Ravana to be “Raujaner Varendu Narendar” (RaVaNa) and its short form was Ravana. [Dalit Voice, May 1-15, 1998] His wife Mandodari was daughter of Danava named as Maya. The Rakshas Gana of the Ravana belonged to Daitya race and his mother also belonged to the same race.

    Ravana was a very powerful hero of battles. He had only one mouth two hands and two legs. Aryan Pundits depicted him in a corrupt form to the society out of hate and contempt.

    The real enemy of Aryans until then were the Indigenous people in this country and therefore they were called Rakshasas and Daityas. Ravana being in the Daityas race and Rakshasa Gana he was depicted to have 10 mouths. In this connection H. D. Sankaliya observed:

    ” Ramdas’s important contribution was to show that Ravana and his kith and kin were ordinarily human beings and Ravana had only one head, two arms and two feet.

    – [p. 47, "Ramayana Myth or Reality"]

    As Ravana was very brave and powerful warrior he was compared with the powerful star in the sky and 10 th being himself, he was called Dash Mukha as a rhetoric. Another idea of calling him Dashmukh was he was strong enough to beat 10 wrestlers at a time. Mahatma Buddha was also called “Dash Tathagata Balopen” because he was endowed with 10 “balas”. Similarly, Ravana had 10 powers and hence he was called Dashmukha.

    The republics system of Adivasi and Ravana.

    The system of republics – “Gana” – is the main basis of Adivasi culture. The deity of each Gana is different and is worshipped by Adivasi in form of plants and animals. They consider these totems as sacred, and their identity is based according to their totem. Ravana had also a totem of Raksha Gana of Adivasi and his totem was a palm tree. That Ravana and his followers were related with totemic culture can be seen from the examples of Ravana (palm tree), Shurpanakha (palm tree), Tadaka (palm tree), Maricha (shal tree), Shabari (tree of berries). His co-workers were worshiping animals totems for like Hanuman, Wali, Sugreeva, Angad (all monkeys), Jambuwants (bear), Jatayu (vulture). Adivasis worshiping trees are called Maravi. M. S. Purnalingam Pillai observes:

    “Ravana and his race Rakshas belong to the human race and in all probability to the “Marava” community of the present day.”

    – [p. 10, "Ravana: King of Lanka" ]

    H. D. Sankaliya observes:

    “Thus the view that Ravana and other Rakshasas were in truth an aboriginal tribe, most probably the Gonds and Vanaras, belong to other tribes such as the Savaras and Korku, seems to be justified”

    – [p.47, "Ramayana Myth or Reality"]

    This proves that Ravana and others were Adivasis from different ganas. Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu observed that Ravana was Gond and his Lanka was in Central India. [p.22, "Ravana aur uski lanka"] Purnalingam Pillai observes:

    “A mystery by GRSM Ravana is represented as the titanic or in other words the anti Brahmanical aboriginal fetish worshiping monarch of Lanka or Ceylon”.

    – [p.77, "Ravana: King of Lanka"]

    Ravana was against Vedic Yajnyas

    Basically, Ravana was a worshiper of nature and used to hate the Aryans Rishis and deities killing their totems in yajnyas. Manu enjoins killing of animals in Yajnyas as Madhupark [p.66, "Ravana aur uski lanka"]. It therefore follows that Ramayana is a story of conflict between Adivasi culture versus Aryans culture. “Marathi Vishva Kosh” vol. 14, p. 781 mentioned Ram Lakshman driving away Maricha, Subahu from the Yajnya of Vishwamitra. Ramaswami Periyar observed that Ravana was hating Vedic deities and Rishis because they were indulging in cruelly killing of animals and there was no other reason. [p.26, "Ravana aur Uski Lanka" by Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu]

    Raksha culture of Rakshasas

    Mahatma Ravana had started a struggle against the Vedic Yajnyas to protect the culture of Adivasis and his Rakshasa Gana. “Raksha” means to protect. Acharya Chatursen named his book “Wayam Raksham”, meaning “we protect” [p.131, "Wayam Raksham" by Acharya Chatursen] Aryans always hated the Adivasis as seen by depicting them as enemies of Gods and men [p.999, v.14, "Marathi Vishva Kosh"]

    Ravana was worshiper of Shiva

    The Siva worshiped by Ravana was not the same as Vedic Rudra and was against the Vedic yajnyas. Shiva is truth and good. His totem was a bull and he was king of Daitya ganas. It is also said that the Siva that was being worshiped by Ravana was ancient Buddha. Ravana used to worship by music. M. S. Purnalingam Pillai observes:

    “By his austerities and penances for years he obtained boons from Shiva as longevity and broad bright sword which gave him victory.”

    – [p.20, "Ravana:King of Lanka" ]

    There is also a book by Ravana on music, says Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu [p.47]

    Ravana was contemporary of Buddha

    Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu has observed that Ravana was contemporary of Buddha and has attended His discourses and believed in Buddha’s karuna and non violence. Acharya Narendra Deva in his “Buddha Darshna describes Ravana asking one hundred questions to the Buddha about Buddhist doctrine like Nirvana. [p.53-54, Ravana aur Uski Lanka] Ravana has accepted the concept of Nibbana and Shunyata of the Buddhists.

    Totemic culture of black Buddha and Ravana

    Sidhartha Gautam Buddha belongs to Shakya Gana of Adivasis having totem of the tree of Salai and Gautam means a bull which was his totem. Debiprasad Chattopadhyay has observed:

    “In actual fact, there were a number of clans within the Shakya tribes, and one of these gave the Buddha his name Gotama (Gautam).” [p.472, "Lokayat"]

    The totem of Ashoka was the Ashoka tree and peacock, today’s national bird, was the totem of his Maurya gana and was being worshipped during Buddha’s times. Ravana’s region had plenty of Shal trees and hence Dandaka vana was also called “Shalvana”, [Waman Puran,90.32] says Prof. Hiralal Shukla, “aadivasi asmita aur vikas”, [p. 84-85]. To kill Mahabali Vali, Rama had to use arrows of Shal tree, because shal tree was Vali’s totem, as Sugreeva had told Rama that Vali can not be killed otherwise. H. D. Sankalia observes:

    “It is Rama with one arrow only pierces all the seven sala trees” [p.11, "Ramayana: Myth or Reality"]

    The society, worshiping totems, naturally was against Vedic Yajnyas. Ravana and Buddha both were believers of nonviolence, and were the heroes of struggle against Yajnyas. Adivasi Ravana and Buddha and Charwaka were criminals in the eyes of Aryans. [p.28, Chandrika Prasad Jidnyasu: "Ravana Aur Uski Lanka"]

    Ramayana, the struggle of Whites against Blacks

    By the participation of brown colour of Wanaras it seems that the Rishis had civilized the wanaras. Master Purnalangam Pillai observes:

    “They were in colour and complexion black opposed to the Aryans, who were bright or fair in colour and features. It (the Ramayana) represents the Rakshas as black of hue, and compares them with black cloudier and masses of black collyrium, it attributes to them curly wooly hair and thick lips, it depicts them as Loaded with chains, collars and girdle of gold and the other bright ornaments which their race has always loved and in which the kindred races of the southern still delight.”

    – [p.9-10, "Ravana: King of Lanka"]

    Fraser believes that there existed in Lanka, even before the Rakshasas, a culture of Black people. Some scholars believe that Rama had destroyed the culture of Black people in Indian Ocean. [5.63,"Siteyacha Parityag" by Arvind Kumar]

    All the Ganas in Raksha culture of Ravana were black and had a black flag.

    “Ravana was a dark-skinned man who had not more than two hands and one head and he had carried away Sita in his hand”

    – [p.61, "Ramayana: Myth or Reality" ]

    The people who influenced Ravana were also Black, like

    (1) the Buddha who showed him way of Nirvana, so was His father Shuddhodana,

    (2) Alar Kalam, who taught Sankhya to Buddha.

    (3) Shiva, whose disciple Ravana was, was also Black. Shiva was a Buddha before Gautama, the Buddha.

    (4) All relatives of Ravana were Black like Kumbhakrna, Meghnad, Shurpanakha, Mandodari, Tadika, Maricha, Bali, Shambuka Shabari, Subahu were all black.

    There was a culture of black people in India and they had importance in Buddhist and Raksha culture. Siva, Charwaka, Buddha, Alar Kalam, Ravana, all considered black as a sign of success.

    Rama went to forest for 14 years to destroy the Adivasis. He had preferred killing of Adivasis to the pleasures of king’s palace. All those killed in Ramayana war were black Rakshasas and Vanaras, and not a single white Aryan was killed.

    Killings were because of black colour

    Bali, Matang, Shabari, Maricha, Lawanasaur, Tadka and Thadamai, Shambuk were all Black. All this proves that the struggle depicted in Ramayana was a struggle between White coloured Aryans crusading against the Black Adivasis and in the real sense was a struggle between Blacks and Whites.

    Black Ravana and Sita

    As Ravana was present on the occasion of Sita Swayamvar it can not be gainsaid that his relation with Ram Lakshmana Sita were not friendly. The black beauty Shurpanaka was insulted by Rama and Lakshmana. To her proposal of marriage, why did they not tell her that they were already married, why was she disfigured? The real reason of this was that Mahatma Ravana had accepted Buddhist philosophy of nonviolence and opposed the killing of animals in Yajnyas. To avenge this Rama cut the nose and ears of Shurpanakha, who was much more beautiful than Sita herself.

    There was no crime in the kingdom of Ravana. The justice was done by Ganpanchayats and the punishment was Eye for an eye and hand for hand. No brother would have tolerated the torture of Shurpanakha. Ravana took away Sita to question Rama in her presence. At the time of Swayamwara of Sita Ravana was already known to Rama but still Rama kept on searching him. It appears therefore that to liberate Sita was his secondary aim and the main aim was to destroy the culture of non violence of Ravana.

    Ravana kept Sita very respectfully in the Ashoka Watika and treated her with great respect as a guest and followed political protocol. He never tried to outrage her modesty or to rape her. As a matter of fact there are many folk songs among the Adivasis that one can hear describing that Ravana had not abducted Sita but she has gone with him with her willingness.

    Korku Adivasis worship Ravana and Meghnath. Ravana was very handsome and expert in music and dressed attractively. That is why Sita went with Ravana with full willingness. G. B. Pradhan, “Korku che San war” edited by Sarojani Babar – “Adiwasi che San War”, [p. 55-56] has given detailed folk songs prevalent among them. The summary of these is as follows:-

    Sita was asked what did you see in Ravana in the guise of a Sadhu on which she replied that she went behind Ravana by seeing at his crown. She went behind Ravana looking at stick in his hand. She went behind Ravana looking at a cloth bag on his shoulder. She went behind Ravana looking at musical instruments in his lips.

    Thus it appears that Sita went of her own with Ravana but misunderstanding of was spread among the masses to create the feeling of hate against him. The reason of this was that Mahatma Ravana was out side the caste system of Hindus, was nonviolent and was a great personality observing karuna.

    It appears Sita had accepted many traditions of Ganas of Ravana during her stay in Lanka and learned the Dravidian language of Ravana. It is mentioned that, “Hanuman spoke to Sita in a Dravidian Language which was intelligible to her and not in Sanskrit. [p. 65, "Ravana King of Lanka"] Not only that but she started worshiping the Black Shiva. “Sita was a Dravidian lady worshiping Shiva.” [p. 68, "Ravana: King of Lanka"]

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  • Jai Khosla

    Imam Malik Book 50, Number 50.1.1:

    Yahya related to me from Malik that Muhammad ibn Abi Umama ibn Sahl ibn Hunayf heard his father say, “My father, Sahl ibn Hunayf did a ghusl at al-Kharrar. He removed the jubbah he had on while Amir ibn Rabia was watching, and Sahl was a man with beautiful white skin.

    Amir said to him, ‘I have never seen anything like what I have seen today, not even the skin of a virgin. He is the type of man every Muslim man will and should desire.’

    Sahl fell ill on the spot, and his condition grew worse.

    Somebody went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and told him that Sahl was ill, and could not go with him.

    The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, came to him, and Sahl told him what had happened with Amir. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘Why does one of you not kill his brother? Why did you not say, “May Allah bless you?” (ta baraka-llah) The evil eye is true. Do wudu from it.’

    Amir did wudu from it and Sahl went with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and there was nothing wrong with him.”

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  • Jai Khosla

    Malik Book 50, Number 50.1.1:

    Yahya related to me from Malik that Muhammad ibn Abi Umama ibn Sahl ibn Hunayf heard his father say, “My father, Sahl ibn Hunayf did a ghusl at al-Kharrar. He removed the jubbah he had on while Amir ibn Rabia was watching, and Sahl was a man with beautiful white skin.

    Amir said to him, ‘I have never seen anything like what I have seen today, not even the skin of a virgin. Sahl is the type of man every Muslim man desires.’

    Sahl fell ill on the spot, and his condition grew worse. Somebody went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and told him that Sahl was ill, and could not go with him.

    The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, came to him, and Sahl told him what had happened with Amir.

    The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘Why does one of you not kill his brother? Why did you not say, “May Allah bless you?” (ta baraka-llah) The evil eye is true. Do wudu from it.’

    Amir did wudu from it and Sahl went with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and there was nothing wrong with him.”

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  • tajender

    a comparison ,swami know what he is doing .he evil yes but playing brhmncl card,PLAN,HOW TO EXTERMINATE THE MUSLIM OF INDIA.

    Muslims ruled over Spain from 712 AD to 1492 AD for 780 years, yet today there are no Muslims in Spain though every aspect of Spanish life has a touch of Islam. Spanish language has many Arabic words, its music has an Arabic tone, its culture has more Arabic influence than the European, and proper nouns in Spanish often have the Arabic prefix al. From 1492, when the last bastion of Muslim political strength Grenada fell, the Muslims of Spain were on the decline and its culmination took place after 120 years when the last batch of Muslim die-hards left Spain in 1612. From that year, Islam vanished from the Spanish horizons.
    A particular noteworthy point is that during this period of Islamic decline from Spain, the entire civilised world was ruled by Muslims. The Ottoman Turks had conquered Constantinople in 1553, and were ruling the entire Balkan Peninsula, Egypt was ruled by the powerful Mamiukes, Persia was at its political pinnacle under the Abbasi rulers, and India was ruled by the Moghals. Still Islam vanished from Spain and none of these great Muslim armies did anything to protect the Muslims of Spain. How Islam was ejected from Spain had been a subject of keen study by lndia’s Hindu Nazis in the 30s and 40s of this century. They studied this aspect to be copied in India and to counter this possibility, the Muslim leaders also studied this to prevent a repetition of the Spanish methods because Muslims (forming 11.35% of the population as per 1981 census) as lndia’s single largest minorities have become the biggest headache to the upper caste Hindus. But the present-day Muslims are totally ignorant of the history of Islamic decline in Spain and hence of the designs surrounding it.

    Through this we intend to shed a little light on this subject so that the thinking section of the Muslims and their sympathisers may do some more research on this subject. As in India, Spanish Muslims had three categories: (i) the descendants of the original Arabs, (ii) descendants of Arab fathers and Spanish mothers and (iii) Christian converts to Islam. Immediately after the fall of Grenada many of the original Arabs to save their lives (not property, as they were not permitted to carry their wealth) left Spain to Tunisia and Morocco; many died on their journey by the attacking Christian hordes. Rest of the original Arabs who opted to live in Spain itself were subsequently branded ‘foreigners” (as in India) and destroyers of Spain. The other category of Muslims viz. the descendants of Muslim fathers and Christianmothers and converts from Christianity opted to live in Spain believing in the declaration of King Ferdinand that complete religious freedom would be guaranteed. (in India also, we are told that Muslims enjoy full religious freedom and minority rights). The attacks by Christian on their lives and property during the earlier years was pardoned as a temporary phenomenon.

    Compare it with the development that took place in India after the partition (1947). But these attacks on Muslim life and property in Spain did not abate but continued for about 50 years with lesser intensity in a sporadic manner, just as it is happening in India today. In the earlier years, the Indian Muslims resisted and fought back. There were mini-battles in the streets, but gradually there were one-sided attacks and every time Muslims were the losers. Of late, the Hindu police itself is let lose to kill the Muslims in India.

    While the organized Christian groups were committing such massacres, Ferdinand’s Govt, in Spain adopted the policy of eliminating Muslims from the services and adopting the following measures:-

    Arabic was removed from administration,
    schools attached to mosques were debarred from teaching academic and secular subjects like science, history, mathematics and philosophy. Only religious teaching could be imparted,
    Lessons in history were faked by which the Muslim rule was dubbed as barbaric. Contribution of Muslims to the development of Spain was avoided,
    Muslim houses were made objects of constant searching by police on allegations of arms hoarding and secret meetings,
    Original Arab Muslims were projected as enemies of Christians and destroyers of Spain.
    Christian converts were persuaded to reconvert to Christianity on the ground that their ancestors were forced to become Muslims and as there is no more coercion, they should revert to Christianity.
    Muslims who were from Muslim-Christian parentage were branded as ******** and ridiculed and persuaded to revert to Christianity.
    Marriages performed in the Islamic manner were directed to be registered with the judicial officers.
    Islamic law was declared illegal. Every method followed in Spain is being experimented in India with better precision and timing.
    Thus Muslims in Spain were made objects of ridicule, condemnation and continuous attack. Burning of Muslim houses and shops was encouraged to destroy their economy. Mock ceremonies of reconversion of Muslims to Christianity were held and publicized. In India, Hindu Nazis of all hues-Arya Samaj, Ramakrishna Mission, Vishwa Hindu Parishad etc,. are doing the same. The first two generation of Spanish Muslims adopted passive methods to save their religion by teaching Arabic to their children at home and mosques, and telling them orally about the realities but gradually they lost the zeal. When marriages were ordered to be celebrated only through Govt. agencies, Muslims in early stages performed dual marriages – one with the Govt. authorities and again privately in their homes in the Islamic manner. Gradually the second ceremony was given up as even such a private ceremony was banned.

    During this period, Muslim masses gradually fell out of the grips of the Muslim leadership and Muslim elites started flocking to Turkey, Tunisia, Morocco and Egypt where they were received with sympathy. Poor Muslim masses were left uncared for. This is exactly what is happening in India. The richer, English-educated Muslims are getting Brahminised. They have become imitators of upper caste Hindus as they live not in Muslim localities but in Hindu areas. The poor Muslims (they form 95% of the Muslim population) live in ghettos and being better followers of Islam, they are left high and dry. Hence they are getting killed in all anti-Muslim riots.

    The seeds sown in the first half of the century in Spain started yielding results in the second half. There was no political leadership, no organization to protect Muslims and enlightened personalities to save the situation. Religious leaders knowing nothing but Islamic’ theology tried their best to save the situation, but against heavy propaganda by the Govt. agencies, lures and offers to reconverts, ignorance of Islamic values by the masses and sense of inferiority nurtured in the minds of Muslim masses were too big a force to be undone by the theologians. This needed a political leadership and an organization with arms to counter, but there was none. Those who spoke of invoking the help of Muslim powers of Turkey and Egypt were feared and exposed before the authorities (by the Muslims themselves) to be condemned. Without willing fighters, other Muslim powers could not help. Those who had settled in Turkey and Egypt advised the authorities there to desist’from such a thought as otherwise atrocities on Muslims of Spain would increase. An Ahmed Shah Abdaii was needed but th@’@ was none. And the Muslim masses joined the “mainstream” of Spanish life and the mullahs finding no job for their preaching gradually left Spain. And the last batch to leave Spain consisted of the diehard mullahs in 1612

    In India also the political leadership of the Muslims became a tail of the Hindu parties led by the upper castes. Only the theological leadership like that of Moulana Hasan Ali Nadvi has tried to maintain the cultural identity of the Indian Muslims.

    This “Spanish experiment” is being tried with greater energy and efficiency in India. Urdu, which is as Islamic in India as Arabic was in Spain, is being eased out. Muslims are voluntarily holding on to madrasas. English-educated richer Muslims are away from the Muslim masses. We saw this at the Tablighe Jamat International conference held in Bangalore (DV, March 15, 1985). They are not going to Muslim countries, but are taking refuge in their psychological and physical seclusion. Any move to organise them to protect the Muslim life and property is branded as communal. Any Muslim flirting, if not supporting the upper castes, is called a “nationalist Muslim”. The gulf between the Muslim masses and educated rich Muslims is widening every day. Mass killing of Muslims is considered something natural by the Muslim leadership itself. Whenever it is raised at international Islamic platforms such actions are called interference in the internal affairs of India. Muslims history is deleted from the syllabus. Names of Muslims who died for India are avoided. A great martyr who died for India like Tippu Sultan is unknown to youngsters, whereas the name of Tantia Tope, who fought not for India but for his pension, and Jhansi Laxmi Bai, who fought for her adopted son’s heirship to the throne, is brought on the lips of every Indian. No Muslim gets awards for his contribution to science, medicine, music, art or gallantry. Even those who fought from the ranks of the ruling Congress Party like Moulana Azad, Kidwai, Syed Mahmood, Humayun Kabir etc. do not have a road or extension named after them. But there are half-a-dozen in the names of each upper caste leaders in our towns and cities. History is being re-written. (“Falsifying Indian History”, DV editorial, April 16, 1985). Muslims are killed daily and their houses and shops burnt. The doors of the Army, police and administration are closed to them. And yet Muslim organizations to protect Islam are coming up like mushrooms. Everybody wants to protect Islam and nobody wants to protect Muslims. We are really worried.

    A study of the Ruling Class policies reveals that it has great similarity with the one followed by Ferdinand and Isabelle in Spain. The only difference is that the Hindu upper castes are more sharp and sophisticated because of the limitations imposed in the 20th century by the checks exercisable by the United Nations Human Rights Charter and international public opinion.

    The systematic and daily anti-Muslim riots resulting in loss of life and property, and above all the sense of fear in the hearts of every Muslim, elimination of the martial Muslims from the Defence, paramilitary and police forces and brahminising of these forces, closing the doors of appointments in Govt. services and public undertakings, Brahminisation of education and mass.media like radio, TV and advertisement, elimination of Urdu as official language from those areas which form the presentday States of Punjab, Haryana, UP, Bihar, parts of Madhya Pradesh, Maharastra, Andhra Pradhesh and Karnataka overnight in 1947-48, gradual closing of Urdu schools are all examples of positive anti-Muslim policies.

    On the brahminical psychological warfare side comes the cries of Personal Law amendment, now diluted as common civil code, greatness of the Indian (Hindu) culture, projection of notorious anti-Muslim personalities like “Mahatma” Gandhi, B. G. Tilak, Madan Mohan Malaviya, Veer Savarkar, Lala Laipat Rai as heroes of India to belittle the contribution of Muslims for the development and progress of the country, re-writing of Indian history, describing Muslim professions like beef-selling as a sin and glorifying cow protection policies, introduction of mechanical slaughter of animals to throw out of job butchers, declaration of import and export business carried on by Muslims as smuggling are policies through which vulnerable Indian masses are misguided, resulting in a psychological anti-Muslim bias. Muslim electoral constituencies are divided horizontally and vertically so that they don’t have an effective voting power anywhere and thrusting upon them ultra-secular Muslim leaders who have started worshipping Hindu idols and such scenes being systematically televised. Unfortunately Muslim leaders, who are dejected with the Govt., repose much confidence in Hindu masses and hope to secure their help ignoring the fact that the poor Hindu (Dalit) masses are as much victims of such a propaganda. And as on this day only seeds are being sown. The harvest is yet to come. When the harvest reason comes, what will be harvested in India is repetition of Spain, unless the Muslims resort to counter measures soon.

    It is high time the Muslim/ intelligentsia rises to the occasion to undo the repetition of the history of Spain in India. Islam has always been protected by the Muslim masses and not by the classes. Rich Muslims, who are not even 5% of the Muslim population (with minor exceptions) are joining the upper caste exploiters. They may talk of Islam but they have forgotten the fellow Muslims. Please note: religion does not protect its followers, but followers protect the religion. Remember if Islam has to be saved in India, Muslims have to be saved.

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  • Jai Khosla

    It is no secret that sexual abuse of children has serious consequences on its victims and, among Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

    It is no longer a secret that the Quran explicitly condones pedophilia. Muhammad was not going to indulge in self-criticism because of the sexual abuse he used to heap on young under-age females such as Aisha.

    Of course, for Muslims to finally acknowledge the harmful effects of abuse on a child it becomes necessary for us to expose those effects through authentic Islamic sources. That is why we find Aisha, Muhammad’s third and “favorite” wife, to be the perfect model for assessing pedophilia and its consequences on the victims.

    In Islam, Aisha bint Abu Bakr is referred to as one of the “Mothers of Believers”. Islamic sources boast of her as a great scholar who narrated a large volume of aḥādīth. There is some truth in this claim because, with over 2,000 narratives attributed to her name, Aisha is second only to Abu Huraira in narrating hadiths.

    However, the ability to narrate incidents which occurred in Muhammad’s life would not have required much scholarship, simply a good memory: something which we will later see she most definitely possessed. In contrast, there are so many things about the life of Aisha, Muhammad’s child bride, that Muslims of today would rather have forgotten.

    Contrary to their claims, she was never a likeable character in life. Perhaps she would have grown into an emulative figure if it had not been for the carnal needs of a perverted old man, who claimed to be a Prophet, disrupting her innocent life. We have lost most ofMuhammad’s wives and concubines to history, but Aisha stands distinctive in this regard. Her life is well known in Islamic tenets through her involvement in the notorious “Battle of the Camel” and the devastation it caused among the Muslims.

    Was she a good wife in Muhammad’s harem? Given that she was by far the most rebellious among the wives, the answer is an emphatic ‘no’. Islamic sources attest that Aisha remained as an immature child in Muhammad’s harem.

    Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: that ‘Umar entered upon Hafsa and said, “O my daughter! Do not be misled by the manners of her who is proud of her beauty because of the love of Allah’s Apostle for her.” By ‘her’ he meant Ayesha. Omar added, “Then I told that to Allah’s Apostle and he smiled (on hearing that)”.

    Sahih Bukhari 7:62:145

    ‘Umar, the second Caliph of Islam, testified about the “perfect Mother of Believers’s” bad mannerisms in a sahih hadith, warning his daughter to not be misled by her.

    Islamic sources also tell us that there was much fighting within Muhammad’s harem. The wives were divided into two groups with Aisha in control of one.

    Narrated ‘Urwa from ‘Aisha: The wives of Allah’s Apostle were in two groups. One group consisted of ‘Aisha, Hafsa, Safiyya and Sauda; and the other group consisted of Um Salama and the other wives of Allah’s Apostle…
    Sahih Bukhari 3:47:755

    Was Aisha happy with Muhammad’s wife-concubine-collecting spree? Again, no, she was not.
    When made privy of Muhammad intentions of making a further addition to his harem in the form of Zainab bint Jahsh, his paternal cousin and his son-in-law’s wife, Aisha exploded.

    This frantic outburst even warranting an intervention from Muhammad’s alter-ego, Allah, with holy verses.

    Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Apostle and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’ (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.”

    Sahih Bukhari 6:60:311

    The truth is, she was never happy with Muhammad, and their marriage was far from being a match made in heaven. We have Sahih sources which confirm this. In one Bukhari hadith, she recalls how she “disliked to face him.” After all he was 62 when he died and she was 18, her hormones raging.

    Narrated ‘Aisha:….I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away for I disliked to face him.”
    Sahih Bukhari 1:9:490

    She once went so far as to plot against Muhammad, and by extension, this can be construed as a plot against Islam itself.

    Narrated Ibn Abbas: I intended to ask ‘Umar so I said, “Who were those two ladies who tried to back each other against the Prophet?” I hardly finished my speech when he said, “They were ‘Aisha and Hafsa.”

    Sahih Bukhari 6:60:436

    So, even during Muhammad’s lifetime Aisha was subversive towards Islam and she, along with Hafsa, rose up against him. Once again, Allah, the alter-ego of Muhammad, had to intervene with verses to fix the problem. We find these verses in the Qur’anic chapter At-Tahrim.

    Aisha’s Attitude Towards Muhammad

    So far we have looked at Islamic sources and how they reflect on Aisha but, if we take a careful look at the ahadith that Aisha narrated, their nature and content are almost always derogatory towards Islam, and very often she is found mocking and belittling her husband. This is not merely propaganda but a fact which anyone with an impartial outlook can confirm for themselves.

    Here are just a few examples:

    Aisha said Muhammad was affected with magic, and black magic is considered to be the devil’s doing, thereby she is in fact proclaiming he was under the influence of the devil. Muhammad had lost all sense of reality and acted quite bizarrely. This has been recorded in many places. In Sahih Bukhari alone, it appears six times. Muhammad, the final Messenger of Allah, being controlled by the devil. This, from the lips of the Mother of Believers.

    She also created the impression of a very forgetful and clumsy Muhammad.

    Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet heard a man (reciting Quran) in the Mosque, and he said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy upon him. No doubt, he made me remember such-and such Verses of such-and-such Sura which I dropped (from my memory)…
    Sahih Bukhari 3:48:82

    She disclosed things which Muhammad had told her in private.

    Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, “Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka’ba?” I replied, “She told me that once the Prophet said, ‘O ‘Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka’ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit.” Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.

    Sahih Bukhari 1:3:128

    She betrayed Muhammad’s private affairs.
    Narrated ‘Urwa from ‘Aisha: The wives of Allah’s Apostle were in two groups. One group consisted of ‘Aisha, Hafsa, Safiyya and Sauda; and the other group consisted of Um Salama and the other wives of Allah’s Apostle…….
    Sahih Bukhari 3:47:755

    From Tabari ” Allah’s Apostle did azl on me between the ages of 9 and 11. He was 56 years old when he first entered me. He then went to live with his umm walaad ( concubine) Mariyah who bore him Ibrahim.”

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    When all is said and done, it is very hard to believe that Aisha was in fact a true Muslim. There is little wonder that most Shi’ites view her with contempt. They are treating her memory in accordance to her merits in Islam.

    Yes, it may come as a surprise to many but 1/10th of the world’s Muslim population considers Aisha as not being a Muslim..

    Due to her (Aisha’s) actions against Imam Ali during the times of the Prophet and after his death (including the famous battle of the Camel), the followers of the ahl al-bayt are not encouraged to keep her name for their children.

    The Shi’ite cleric, Shaykh Yasser Al-Habib, has also accused Aisha, along with Hafsa, of being responsible for the poisoning and death of Muhammad.

    Aisha’s Hatred of Ali

    Ali, Muhammad’s son-in-law, once suggested for him to divorce Aisha when she had become involved in a scandalous sexual affair with a man named Safwan; and there is evidence in Islam’s authentic sources which affirm that Aisha kept hold of her vengeful hatred towards Ali for the rest of her life. So much so, she could barely bring herself to mention him by name. Safwan had sexually satisfied her which the ageing Prophet could not.

    Narrated ‘Aisha: “When the Prophet became seriously ill and his disease became aggravated he asked for permission from his wives to be nursed in my house and he was allowed. He came out with the help of two men and his legs were dragging on the ground. He was between Al-Abbas and another man.” ‘Ubaid Ullah said, “I told Ibn ‘Abbas what ‘Aisha had narrated and he said, ‘Do you know who was the (second) man whose name ‘Aisha did not mention’” I said, ‘No.’ Ibn ‘Abbas said, ‘He was ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib.’ ”
    Sahih Bukhari 1:11:634

    Furthermore, the troubled state-of-mind of this young woman led to the first civil war in Islamic history caused by a woman. She led an army against Ali, the fourth elected Caliph of the Muslims. Her actions ultimately caused the death of twenty thousand Muslims in the war now known in history as the “Battle of the Camel”.

    Conclusion

    What could have possibly drove her to such extreme measures without ever considering the outcome of her actions? The answer is simple: she was metaphorically attempting to kill two birds with one stone.

    Narrated Jarir: The Prophet said to me during Hajjat-al-Wida’: Let the people keep quiet and listen. Then he said (addressing the people), “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).”
    Sahih Bukhari 1:3:122

    Aisha’s actions were very much reflective of her disturbed psychological make-up. She was a physically and sexually abused female, deprived from the innocent pleasures of childhood and adjoined to Muhammad’s harem while she was still a playful little girl.

    She could never rid herself of this affliction, and the physical and psychological pain manifested itself through hatred. And the outlet for this hate? In a delirious state, she raised up arms against Ali and her own brethren (Muslims), and by doing so she was rebelling against her deceased husband’s wishes, “Do not revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks of one another.”

    Aisha’s forces were ultimately defeated, yet amidst all of these mishaps, this deranged woman preserved and carried her animosity towards Ali throughout her life. In Tabari vol. 7:224 we even see her rejoicing at the news of Ali’s death. The life of Aisha bint Abu Bakr truly was a seventh century tragedy.

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  • Jai Khosla

    Wondrous Treatment Of Women In Islam

    T he purpose of this article is to show how the barbaric nature of Islam manifests itself in the cruel treatment of women.

    1. Lets start with the “great” Mohammed himself, the founder of this “fabulous” faith. Mohammed was married to Khadija Bibi, his employer and 15 years his senior. At that time Mohammed was 25 years old. He was Khadija Bibi’s third husband. Khadija Bibi was a widow when she married Mohammed. For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed a luxurious life.

    This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer so that he can live a rich life without putting in a single day’s work.

    2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages of 49 and 63 the “great prophet” married at least 11 times.

    This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women were nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least 11 women in 14 years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite.

    Read on about the “greatness” of this prophet.

    3. Mohammed’s favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when she was married to him.

    Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows that Mohammed was not only a womanizer but also a child molester.

    4. Mohammed’s adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of Jahsh. But one day the prophet “beheld in a loose undress, the beauty of Zainab, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire. The servile, or greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and yielded without hesitation to the love of the benefactor.”

    Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to marry his son’s wife. His son being a devoted follower of the “great” prophet was more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father-in-law Mohammed was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws!

    Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the following verses from Quran and Hadiths.

    Quotes from the “Holy” Quran on Women

    II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will…

    Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam are referred to as fields that are to be cultivated by man. What an honour for a Muslim woman!

    IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

    First point to notice here is that Quran clearly states that Men are superior to women. Secondly, Islam instructs that a man should control his women through brutal violence and fear.

    IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness …confine them until death claims them.

    IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful.

    As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by the all merciful Allah.

    XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies…

    Here we see, that a husband can easily accuse his wife (or wives) and eventually sentence her to death by merely declaring four times that the accusation is true. On the other hand, women have no such right in Islam.

    Quotes from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS

    If a woman’s conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)

    It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)

    A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father

    A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband’s father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)

    She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)

    A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)

    If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)

    If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)

    The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)

    A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440)

    On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will.

    Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)

    If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband’s bed. (Bokhari P 93)

    Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: “I have never seen any good from you.” (Bokhari P 96)

    A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to practise birth control either.

    Quotes From Sahih Muslim Hadith

    Chapter 540.The prophet said that he saw a woman coming and going in the shape of a devil and she fascinated him. So he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning leather and had sexual intercourse with her. That drove out what he felt in his heart.

    Chapter 558. The prophet said: “When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come, the husband spends the night being angry with her, and the angels curse her until morning. The one who is in heaven is displeased with her until the husband is pleased with her.

    Chpater 576. The prophet said :”Woman has been created from a rib, and will in no way be straightened for you.”

    Anwar Shaikh , the author of Islam: An Arab National Movement says:
    “It shows the basic doctrine of Islam about womanhood, that is, she is basically crooked, and man has the right to keep her under his constant vigil; she must never be left alone.”

    In fact, another hadith expresses woman’s position bluntly:

    “I have not left any calamity more
    hurtful to man than woman.”

    Chapter 619: Selling a cat, selling a dog (unless it is a working dog), and earning of prostitutes(unless they are non-muslims),… are all forbidden.

    This verse encourages the Muslim invaders to convert women of other faith into prostitutes for their own enjoyment as prostitution by non-muslims is NOT forbidden. We can see plenty of examples of this throughout history, especially Indian history.

    Chapter 1140: The prophet said : “The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women.”

    So Islam considers most of the women are evil in nature and they end up in hell.

    Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said “I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?” Hajjaj said “They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry.”

    The next three verses are related to each other.

    Malik 364:1234 If a woman suckles a baby, she becomes its foster mother and her husband a foster father. If a man has two wives, and one suckles a boy the other a girl, the boy can not marry the girl as the foster father of each is the same.

    The next verse contradicts the previous one.

    Malik 364:1239 The rule pertaining to foster relationship only applies to children under 2 years. Thus (Malik 365:1243) a grown up man fed with the milk of a woman does not entail fostership.

    Read the next verse carefully.

    Malik 365:1245 A man said, “My wife has willfully given my slavegirl with whom I used to cohabit her own milk to drink. What is my relationship to the slave girl ?” Omar said “Punish your wife and go into your slave girl”.

    What more can I say about these golden verses from the “Holy” Quran and the enlightening Hadiths– guidelines for every true Muslim!

    Gazzali, the renowned Islamic thinker summed up the 18 pains that had been visited on Muslim women as a punishment for Eve’s transgression in paradise. The list eloquently shows the position of women in Islam and how the social customs were backed up by Islam. Here Islam goes to the extent of saying that even pregnancy and childbirth are punishments from God. Such is the nature of the all merciful Allah!!!
    The 18 punishments are:

    Menstruation
    Childbirth
    Separation from father and mother and marriage to a stranger
    Pregnancy
    Not having control over her own person
    A lesser share in inheritance.
    Her liability to be divorced and inability to divorce.
    It being lawful for man to have 4 wives but for a woman to have only 1 husband.
    The fact that she must stay secluded in the house
    The fact that she must keep her head covered inside the house.
    The fact that 2 women’s testimonies have to be set against the testimony of one man.
    The fact that she must not go out of the house unless accompanied by a near relative.
    The fact that men take part in Friday and feast day funerals while women do not.
    Disqualification for rulership and judgeship.

    The fact that merit has 100 components, only one of which is attributable to women while 999 are attributed to men.

    The fact that if women are profligate they will be given only half as much torment as the rest of the community at the ressurection day.

    The fact that if their husbands die they must observe a waiting period of 4 months and 10 days before they remarry.

    The fact that if their husbands divorce them , they must observe a waiting period of 3 months or 3 menstrual periods before remarrying.

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    tajender Reply:

    much better than anyother message.

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  • Vinay

    For retaining status quo, opposing forces have to be equal in strength. This applies to liberal group and right wing as well. If there is Jaitley to match for Sibal’s sharpness, there has to be Swamy to match Digvijay for being a nutcase. Can’t even blame Swamy’s age for being off track. He has been like this all his life. That is why he was never taken seriously, despite his intelligence. Why should Zia bother about those words, which have no impact on anybody?

    Regarding his article, I understand his frustration to some extent. I was okay with first sentences of many solutions which he suggested, But not, when he extended them. He starts with uniform civil code. Then goes tangential. Says, everyone should learn Sanskrit etc. Why? Case of Tughlaq. (Capital at the centre not a bad idea, moving the entire crowd was). Method of implementing ideas is as important as the idea. When he says 100s of mosques need to be brought down, his message sounds even more stupid.

    I understand his concern when he says Muslims should acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus. To give an example, Afzal Khan was a Afghan warrior, raised by Deccan Sultanate who was killed by Shivaji. Today’s Maharashtra Muslims have blood of the same fearless Marathas. What is the need to celebrate the “urs” at the tomb of Afzal Khan, with whom they share nothing except religion? Why Sinhaghad and Tanaji does not become a collective Maratha pride, the symbol of Maratha’s defense against foreign invaders, the way British show off Trafalgar Square and Nelson? Why Shivaji needs to gifted to Shivasena? After making such a statement, Swamy goes to say “no voting rights” for those (Muslims) who are as much Indians as the rest.

    A community say “Yadav” has its own history and cultural practices. What makes it a caste and Islam a religion? If a community does not have a prophet or a book, does that make its cultural practices (which are actually more historic than Islam) less unique? In India, every community with its own God and tradition could have been a religion on their own. We had a society where in a totally vegetarian community and also a community which drank animal’s blood, each praying to different God could live in the same village for centuries (may be in ghettos), not trying to influence each others practices. If this was not multiculturalism, then what else is? It was some outsiders who branded our diverse society as one religion and labeled it as “Hindu”, not us. When BJP coins the word “Hindutva”, does it forget our history? Why Swamy wants to “impose” something onto a community, which our society never tried to do for centuries?

    In practice, every community have retained their distictness it in a similar way; be it getting married within their caste/religion, or voting as a block to people/party like Yeddy, Lalu or Congres (unfortunate though). Pattern is same between a caste and religion. Islam and Christianity might have their seeds outside. But the way they are practiced in India (like Babas and Fakirs in Islam) is as much indigenous as other communities. Indian version of Islam and Christianity should be considered native like any other caste. Problem with our society is not caste, it is the hierarchy, which treats one community superior to other, rich over the poor. This is what needs to be condemned. Swamy could have said, Indian Muslims (who practice Indo Islam) need not feel inferior to (or feel the need to change themselves to) Arabic Islam.

    As once commented by Shoeb, Bharatiya as a collective term could have been better. That is how we called ourselves as. It sounds more inclusive than “Hindutva” of BJP or “Brihit Hindu” (the word coined by Swamy). In that society, every community could have had equal rights with no majority/minority business. Swamy did not package his frustration well.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Taj,
    Again not by answering and uses bad words during Ramadaan, you have spit on Quran 7th time in 2 days. Nice going.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    jai khosla, rajeev and others
    JUST CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE HERE CANNOT IGNORE TAJENDER
    is it so difficult
    and why abuse islam and prophet- wots the point

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    tajender Reply:

    ravi challa is here again,
    he is talking big u spoke a truth which everybody knows.see how they are treating.
    they call their spititual fascism as non-voilence.
    spiritual fascism and intellectual gundaaism are the gignatic octopuses which is sucking very vitals of our society.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Tajju

    Aisha bibi was nine wen Moe took her to bed. She was six when the nikah was contracted. Aisha had no say in it, she was still playing with dolls when Moe took her to bed. That is why she started having one night stands with Safwan the handsome young Arab. Moe forgave her because he knew he could not satisfy her.

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    tajender Reply:

    KRISHA HAD 1603 wives used to fk his neighbours wife called radha.most of ur bhagwans are animal fkrs.vamps of vedic vampire are so sexy that new youth of india prefer to mstrbte on them
    than worship them.all ur literature is full of filth pornography.

    Kalinga Putra Reply:

    Your society ?? from when did son of arabian pigs started having society ??
    Intellectual !!! I am surprised….. from 7th century till this date, in last 15 centuries muslims can not be credited with a single innovation. only they know, to fight with others, in the name of islam. first, they will fight with other religions, then with themselves (shia, sunni, sufi, ahmadia etc). they never learn to leave with peace.

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    tajender Reply:

    challe why u showed ur as$here.rubbish cabage fk off.

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    tajender Reply:

    JUST CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE HERE CANNOT IGNORE TAJENDER
    is it so difficult

    isliye ke tu gadha hai aur challa hai.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    I AM ignoring Tajuddin. What I am trying to do is to expose Islam so that India is rid of this scourge from 7th century Arabia.

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    tajender Reply:

    what u are is fk .has no real value.character and message of our prophet is examplary in every field.what u have c&p from church and cia propagandsa.

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    tajender Reply:

    what u are writing is fk .has no real value.character and message of our prophet is examplary in every field.what u have c&p from church and cia propa

  • Jai Khosla

    Warren Jeffs will be sentenced to between 6 and 75 years. His crimes were similar to Prophet Muhammad’s but the Prophet was guilty of even bigger crimes. He was also a bandit, an armed robber, a slave monger and a murderer–Muhammad would probably have been given the death sentence.

    SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — As a prophet of his polygamist sect, Warren Jeffs documented everything he did, keeping track of every marriage he performed, every young woman he wed, and even recording his intimate moments.

    It was those meticulous records — including an audiotape of what prosecutors said was him sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl he’d taken as a bride — that helped authorities secure two child sex assault convictions against the 55-year-old ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    Now, prosecutors hope those same records will help bring a life prison sentence to a man regarded by his followers as God’s spokesman on Earth. The West Texas jurors who convicted Jeffs will begin determining his appropriate punishment on Friday, and they’ll hear evidence about scores of alleged crimes not mentioned during his trial.

    For starters, Jeffs had 78 wives in addition to his legal spouse, and 24 of them were under age 17, said Eric Nichols, lead prosecutor for the Texas Attorney General’s office, which is handling the case. Nichols also said he would show that Jeffs committed six other sexual assaults and either witnessed or performed more than 500 polygamist marriages, as well as 67 other sect marriages involving underage girls.

    Jeffs spent years evading arrest, crisscrossing the country as a fugitive who eventually made the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list before his capture in 2006. He excommunicated 60 church members he saw as a threat to his leadership, breaking up 300 families while stripping them of property and “reassigning” wives and children, Nichols said.

    All of that is separate from the criminal charges on which he was convicted Thursday. Jurors deliberated for 3½ hours before finding Jeffs guilty of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15, whom he’d wed during what his sect considers “spiritual marriages.”

    Prosecutors used DNA evidence to show Jeffs fathered a child with the older victim and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting the younger girl. They played other tapes in which Jeffs was heard instructing as many as a dozen of his young wives on how to please him sexually — and thus, he told them, please God.

    “You might have asked yourselves … a lot of people may ask, why would someone record sex?” Nichols told jurors during closing arguments. “This individual considers himself to be the prophet. Everything he did, hour after hour, he was required to keep a record of that.”

    Jeffs’ sect has more than 10,000 members nationwide who believe polygamy brings exaltation in heaven.

    Both victims entered into unions with Jeffs willingly, and did not participate in the trial against him. But Nichols said in his closing statement that the crimes were so egregious that under Texas law, convictions did not require the victim to bring charges.

    Jeffs burned through seven lawyers in six months, then insisted on representing himself after jury selection last week — turning a high-profile case into what felt at times like a surreal religious revival.

    He quoted God as threatening all involved with a Biblical scourge if the case wasn’t halted immediately, then later filed an unsuccessful motion to remove state District Judge Barbara Walther from the case, saying the Lord visited him in his jail cell and said Walther was afflicted from a crippling disease that would soon kill her. The judge suffered polio as a child and walks with a limp.

    Jeffs stood almost completely mute during his closing argument, staring at the floor for all but a few seconds of the half hour he was allotted. He finally turned and looked toward prosecutors and the jury, most of whom avoided direct eye contact with him. “I am at peace” he mumbled, then said no more. The only noise in the courtroom was the creaking of wooden benches brimming with spectators.

    Jeffs had claimed his religious rights were being trampled after police raided his sect’s remote Texas compound, called Yearning For Zion, in April 2008. They found women wearing frontier-style dresses and hairdos from the 19th century and saw underage girls who were clearly pregnant.

    The call to an abuse hotline that spurred the raid turned out to be a hoax, and more than 400 children who had been placed in protective custody were eventually returned to their families. But authorities found a small mountain of documents, including hundreds and hundreds of pages of Jeffs’ personal journals, which he called his “Priesthood record.”

    That helped bring sexual assault and bigamy charges against a dozen men from the sect. All seven of those who were prosecuted before Jeffs were convicted, and they received prison sentences of between six and 75 years.

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    tajender Reply:

    what u wrote above is replica of brhmnsm and zoinism.adultry is punishable by death in islam.

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    tajender Reply:

    kutch shree krishan jee ke kahani lagtee hai.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Islamic Apartheid in Saudi Arabia is a real blot on humanity. is a real Every living breathing non-Muslim on the planet can be arrested if caught inside Mecca or Medina under any circumstances. The world population is approximately 6.8 Billion people of which 1.4 Billion are Muslim leaving 5.4 Billion people who are not legally pure enough to step foot on Mecca or Medina soil – this is Islamic Apartheid by their own hands.

    Islamic Apartheid in Mecca and Medina is a legal, political, and religious segregation enforced by the Shariah compliant country of Saudi Arabia, under which the rights of the majority Muslim population were maintained and minority rights by everyone else are severely restricted. Saudi Arabia is a sovereign country and has the right to engage and enforce any type of bigoted hateful policies they see fit towards non-Muslims. Advocates of tolerance and pluralism here in America have an obligation to speak out against bigotry and hatred wherever it is found – yet these groups remain silent on Islamic Apartheid resulting in a double standard that merits further discussion regardless if you are liberal or conservative.

    The Islamic apartheid problem in America exists because every Mosque and Muslim Advocacy group in America promotes the bigoted exclusionary practices of Mecca and Medina with their silence. The wholesale promotion of Mecca and Medina bigotry is embraced and accepted by Islamists because of the fifth pillar of Islam or pilgrimage called the Hajj. Performance of the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca) is required of every adult Muslim, male or female, if physically and financially possible. Many Muslims spend their entire lives saving and planning for this journey. Every Mosque in America who promotes the Hajj endorses the Islamic Apartheid bigotry that is currently in force inside Mecca and Medina. It is well past time for all the Mosques in America and their respective Imams to condemn the exclusionary and bigoted practice of Islamic Apartheid in Mecca and Medina in the name of pluralism and tolerance. Imagine the outrage if the Vatican only allowed Catholics or Christians access to their most holy of sites, and rightfully so.

    At the sixty-fifth session of the General Assembly of the United Nations, 9/25/2010, the statement of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia delivered by their Minister of Foreign Affairs, H.R.H Prince Saud Al-Faisal, exposes Saudi Arabia’s dangerous double game. Prince Saud Al-Faisal delivers pluralistic platitudes for Western consumption to the United Nations while the Apartheid Shariah laws of Mecca and Medina shed valuable insight into how Saudi Arabia, and more importantly, Shariah Law, views non-Muslims with actions rather than meaningless words.

    Prince Al-Faisal said: “ My country (Saudi Arabia)believes in the importance of full, universal commitment to the fundamental principles of the United Nations, including the regulation of relations between States, the maintenance of international law, and the international legitimacy and rejection, of all forms of violence and extremism. These noble goals are fully in keeping with magnanimous Islamic Shariah, since the eternal message of Islam is unificatory and non divisive, just and equitable, and NON-DISCRIMINATORY, and advocates co-operation among ALL PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, in order to further their welfare and happiness, and safeguard their rights and dignity.”

    The double game being played here is neither subtle or hidden for those who choose to see it. Saudi Arabia is proselytizing the message that Islamic Shariah Law is just, equitable, non-discriminatory, and advocates cooperation among all peoples of the world. The previous message of pluralism is exactly what the American people must hear to feel safe and secure with the dark cloud of Islamist Jihad casting a dark, looming shadow over the United States of America.

    Prince Al-Faisal goes on to say, “ Accordingly, the Government of the Two Holy Mosques, emphasizes the need to put the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations into actual and effective practice, in a non selective manner, without any double standard.” Prince Al-Faisal’s statement is a lie! Those in America who take refuge in this falsehood do so at their own peril. Unfortunately, there are many in the current administration, State Department, universities, Synagogues, Churches, and Islamic Interfaith Initiatives, all across the country, who are knowingly, under their watchful and complicit eye, perpetuating the lies of Saudi pluralism, as Islamic Apartheid is being practiced in the Kingdom.

    The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, aka government of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, have made it illegal for any person, who is non-Muslim, to enter Mecca and Medina. This policy, makes a mockery of Prince Saud Al-Faisal’s claim, that the eternal message of Islam and Shariah Law, is “ Non-discriminatory”. It is a colossal joke and insult to the 5.4 billion inhabitants of earth who are not Muslim. The former South African Apartheid racial hatred issue pales in comparison to the Apartheid of Mecca and Medina. Islamic Apartheid of Mecca and Medina is important because Political Islam makes it obligatory for all Muslims in the world to be co-conspirators in the bigotry and hatred heaped upon any Non-Muslim who dares to set foot inside the borders of either city.

    Obligatory is the key word here when it comes to Islamic Doctrine. Islamic doctrine states the Qur’an is the uncorrupted word of God/Allah, and is the last divinely inspired document on earth. All previous religious and political texts have been corrupted by man, and are believed by “good” Muslims to be inferior to the Qur’an. Those corrupted texts include the Bible, Torah, U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any other political and religious texts men use to guide them in all matters of life and politics. Agnostics, Atheists, and Secular Humanists are not given a pass either. Islamists view Atheists and Secular Humanists as weak and without faith in the one true God, Allah, and have a special hellish place reserved for you too.

    The politics of Mecca and Medina is the window to understanding how most all Muslims view us 5.4 Billion Non-Muslims. We have learned non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca or Medina under Shariah Law. The Saudi government supports their position using Qur’an 9:28, “O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.”
    —Qur’an, Sura 9 At-Tawba, ayah 28

    The Saudi government Custodians of the Two Holy Mosques see all 5.4 Billion non-Muslims as “nothing but unclean.” You know it is true, because no matter how much you may not like me for saying it – YOU will be arrested if you enter Mecca or Medina. Every Mosque and Islamic Center in America is complicit in this Islamic Apartheid, because it is obligatory for them to help and encourage every Muslim to make the Hajj and teach the 5th Pillar of Islamic Apartheid. Islamic Apartheid is a crime against humanity. All people who believe in pluralism and tolerance must lead the way in demanding American Muslims and their Imams stop supporting this abhorrent Islamic Apartheid practice with their silence.

  • Vinay

    For retaining status quo, opposing forces have to be equal in strength. This applies to liberal group and right wing as well. If there is Jaitley to match for Sibal’s sharpness, there has to be Swamy to match Digvijay for being a nutcase.
    Can’t even blame Swamy’s age for being off track. He has been like this all his life. That is why he was never taken seriously, despite his intelligence. Why should Zia bother about those words, which have no impact on anybody?

    Regarding his article, I understand his frustration to some extent. I was okay with first sentences of many solutions which he suggested, But not, when he extended them. He starts with uniform civil code. Then goes tangential. Says, everyone should learn Sanskrit etc. Why? Case of Tughlaq (Capital at the centre not a bad idea, moving the entire crowd was). Method of implementing ideas is as important as the idea. When he says 100s of mosques need to be brought down, his message sounds even more stupid.

    I understand his concern when he says Muslims should acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus. To give an example, Afzal Khan was a Afghan warrior, raised by Deccan Sultanate who was killed by Shivaji. Today’s Maharashtra Muslims have blood of the same fearless Marathas. What is the need to celebrate the “urs” at the tomb of Afzal Khan, with whom they share nothing except religion? Why Sinhaghad and Tanaji does not become a collective Maratha pride, the symbol of Maratha’s defense against foreign invaders, the way British show off Trafalgar Square and Nelson? Why Shivaji needs to gifted to Shivasena? After making such a statement, Swamy goes to say “no voting rights” for those (Muslims) who are as much Indians as the rest.

    A community say “Yadav” has its own history and cultural practices. What makes it a caste and Islam a religion? If a community does not have a prophet or a book, does that make its cultural practices (which are actually more historic than Islam) less unique? In India, every community with its own God and tradition could have been a religion on their own. We had a society where in a totally vegetarian community and also a community which drank animal’s blood, each praying to different God could live in the same village for centuries (may be in ghettos), not trying to influence each others practices. If this was not multiculturalism, then what else is? It was some outsiders who branded our diverse society as one religion and labeled it as “Hindu”, not us. When BJP coins the word “Hindutva”, does it forget our history? Why Swamy wants to “impose” something onto a community, which our society has not done for centuries?

    In practice, every community have retained their distictness it in a similar way; be it getting married within their caste/religion, or voting as a block to people/party like Yeddy, Lalu or Congress (unfortunate though). Pattern is same between a caste and religion. Islam and Christianity might have their seeds outside. But the way they are practiced in India (like Babas and Fakirs in Islam) is as much indigenous as other communities. Indian version of Islam and Christianity should be considered native like any other caste. Problem with our society is not caste, it is the hierarchy, which treats one community superior to other, rich over the poor. This is what needs to be condemned. Swamy could have said, Indian Muslims (who practice Indo Islam) need not feel inferior to (or feel the need to change themselves to) Arabic Islam.

    As once commented by Shoeb, Bharatiya as a collective term could have been better. That is how we called ourselves as. It sounds more inclusive than “Hindutva” of BJP or “Brihit Hindu” (the word coined by Swamy). In that society, every community could have had equal rights with no majority/minority business. Swamy did not package his frustration well.

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  • tajender

    I understand his concern when he says Muslims should acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus

    brhmn(hindu)came india since 3000 yrs.muslims are blood and son of thosewho were living in the subcontinent before their arrival.give me list of those whom we should respect.also reason.

    To give an example, Afzal Khan was a Afghan warrior, raised by Deccan Sultanate who was killed by Shivaji.
    shivajee was sessionist he was fighting for his empire.all his important generals were muslims
    he secular.he was bstrd .brhmns of maharahtra refused his coronation,as he was backward.thugs of benaras looted him completely during coronation.after becoming chatrapati .his first act was to loot the banias of SURAT.brhmnst is using his name create hatred and sepration.they are true evil.

    swamy needs attention as he no follower.all ur remaining points are ok.uniform civil code is not accepptable to common indians including muslims.as we laways had unity in diversity.

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  • tajender

    GOOD NEWS,

    IN LIBYA 3 AMERICAN SHIPS DESTROYED BY RESISTANCE.15 senior nato official arrest by nationalist forces.

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  • Rak Khosla

    Every living breathing non-Muslim on the planet can be arrested if caught inside Mecca or Medina under any circumstances. The world population is approximately 6.8 Billion people of which 1.4 Billion are Muslim leaving 5.4 Billion people who are not legally pure enough to step foot on Mecca or Medina soil – this is Islamic Apartheid by their own hands.

    Islamic Apartheid in Mecca and Medina is a legal, political, and religious segregation enforced by the Shariah compliant country of Saudi Arabia, under which the rights of the majority Muslim population were maintained and minority rights by everyone else are severely restricted. Saudi Arabia is a sovereign country and has the right to engage and enforce any type of bigoted hateful policies they see fit towards non-Muslims. Advocates of tolerance and pluralism here in America have an obligation to speak out against bigotry and hatred wherever it is found – yet these groups remain silent on Islamic Apartheid resulting in a double standard that merits further discussion regardless if you are liberal or conservative.

    The Islamic apartheid problem in America exists because every Mosque and Muslim Advocacy group in America promotes the bigoted exclusionary practices of Mecca and Medina with their silence. The wholesale promotion of Mecca and Medina bigotry is embraced and accepted by Islamists because of the fifth pillar of Islam or pilgrimage called the Hajj. Performance of the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca) is required of every adult Muslim, male or female, if physically and financially possible. Many Muslims spend their entire lives saving and planning for this journey. Every Mosque in America who promotes the Hajj endorses the Islamic Apartheid bigotry that is currently in force inside Mecca and Medina. It is well past time for all the Mosques in America and their respective Imams to condemn the exclusionary and bigoted practice of Islamic Apartheid in Mecca and Medina in the name of pluralism and tolerance. Imagine the outrage if the Vatican only allowed Catholics or Christians access to their most holy of sites, and rightfully so.

    At the sixty-fifth session of the General Assembly of the United Nations, 9/25/2010, the statement of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia delivered by their Minister of Foreign Affairs, H.R.H Prince Saud Al-Faisal, exposes Saudi Arabia’s dangerous double game. Prince Saud Al-Faisal delivers pluralistic platitudes for Western consumption to the United Nations while the Apartheid Shariah laws of Mecca and Medina shed valuable insight into how Saudi Arabia, and more importantly, Shariah Law, views non-Muslims with actions rather than meaningless words.

    Prince Al-Faisal said: “ My country (Saudi Arabia)believes in the importance of full, universal commitment to the fundamental principles of the United Nations, including the regulation of relations between States, the maintenance of international law, and the international legitimacy and rejection, of all forms of violence and extremism. These noble goals are fully in keeping with magnanimous Islamic Shariah, since the eternal message of Islam is unificatory and non divisive, just and equitable, and NON-DISCRIMINATORY, and advocates co-operation among ALL PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, in order to further their welfare and happiness, and safeguard their rights and dignity.”

    The double game being played here is neither subtle or hidden for those who choose to see it. Saudi Arabia is proselytizing the message that Islamic Shariah Law is just, equitable, non-discriminatory, and advocates cooperation among all peoples of the world. The previous message of pluralism is exactly what the American people must hear to feel safe and secure with the dark cloud of Islamist Jihad casting a dark, looming shadow over the United States of America.

    Prince Al-Faisal goes on to say, “ Accordingly, the Government of the Two Holy Mosques, emphasizes the need to put the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations into actual and effective practice, in a non selective manner, without any double standard.” Prince Al-Faisal’s statement is a lie! Those in America who take refuge in this falsehood do so at their own peril. Unfortunately, there are many in the current administration, State Department, universities, Synagogues, Churches, and Islamic Interfaith Initiatives, all across the country, who are knowingly, under their watchful and complicit eye, perpetuating the lies of Saudi pluralism, as Islamic Apartheid is being practiced in the Kingdom.

    The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, aka government of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, have made it illegal for any person, who is non-Muslim, to enter Mecca and Medina. This policy, makes a mockery of Prince Saud Al-Faisal’s claim, that the eternal message of Islam and Shariah Law, is “ Non-discriminatory”. It is a colossal joke and insult to the 5.4 billion inhabitants of earth who are not Muslim. The former South African Apartheid racial hatred issue pales in comparison to the Apartheid of Mecca and Medina. Islamic Apartheid of Mecca and Medina is important because Political Islam makes it obligatory for all Muslims in the world to be co-conspirators in the bigotry and hatred heaped upon any Non-Muslim who dares to set foot inside the borders of either city.

    Obligatory is the key word here when it comes to Islamic Doctrine. Islamic doctrine states the Qur’an is the uncorrupted word of God/Allah, and is the last divinely inspired document on earth. All previous religious and political texts have been corrupted by man, and are believed by “good” Muslims to be inferior to the Qur’an. Those corrupted texts include the Bible, Torah, U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any other political and religious texts men use to guide them in all matters of life and politics. Agnostics, Atheists, and Secular Humanists are not given a pass either. Islamists view Atheists and Secular Humanists as weak and without faith in the one true God, Allah, and have a special hellish place reserved for you too.

    The politics of Mecca and Medina is the window to understanding how most all Muslims view us 5.4 Billion Non-Muslims. We have learned non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca or Medina under Shariah Law. The Saudi government supports their position using Qur’an 9:28, “O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.”
    —Qur’an, Sura 9 At-Tawba, ayah 28

    The Saudi government Custodians of the Two Holy Mosques see all 5.4 Billion non-Muslims as “nothing but unclean.” You know it is true, because no matter how much you may not like me for saying it – YOU will be arrested if you enter Mecca or Medina. Every Mosque and Islamic Center in America is complicit in this Islamic Apartheid, because it is obligatory for them to help and encourage every Muslim to make the Hajj and teach the 5th Pillar of Islamic Apartheid. Islamic Apartheid is a crime against humanity. All people who believe in pluralism and tolerance must lead the way in demanding American Muslims and their Imams stop supporting this abhorrent Islamic Apartheid practice with their silence.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Tajender,
    Again not by answering and uses bad words during Ramadaan, you have spit on Quran 8th time in 2 days. Nice going.

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    tajender Reply:

    did i promise u to reveal my true name.why u are writing bullshit.
    neverthles i apolige using bad words.this is holy month of ramazan.close this chapter you leave ur mail i will met u.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Tajuddin
    What is so holy about your Ramzan farce? It is an insult to God. I bet your place in jahannum is reserved. Next to Prophet Muhammad.

    Aisha Bibi must be in jannat as compensation for the sexual abuse heaped on her by Hazrat Rasul.

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    tajender Reply:

    u belong satanic cult u will say like this.member of this cult from 3 tribes.who are resposible for destruction of india,
    regarding aisha bibi she was at 9 which was general custom at that time.before any sympathy for her,sympathize with draupadi.who was abused by 5.
    u should be pity for the women of the religion in which women ia described as,

    Women:

    Bed, seat, beauty, pregnancy, anger, lie, betrayal etc. were created only for the sake of women

    u should be pity for women of religion who burnt millions of their women alive for not bringing enough dowry.or thrown to vrindavan when become old.hindu is the only race treat their women in harshest possibleway.

    HINDUISM IS FATHER OF RASCISM APARTHEISM AND FASCISM.IT IS NOT A RELIGION.IT IS SAMAJ.WHOSE `CREATION WAS FIRST BIGGEST TERRORIST ACT ON INDIAN SOIL.MAN WAS FORCED TO ACCEPT HIS LOWER POSITION.
    WOMEN WAS TREATED WORST THAN ANIMAL.

    JINKE GHAR SHEESHE KE HOTEIN HAI DOOSEROON PAR PATHAR NAHIN PHEIKTE.

  • Jai Khosla

    It is not true that adultery is punishable by death in Islam.

    In fact Islam has made adultery legal by making polygamy legal. Polygamy is nothing but legalized adultery.

    Also Islam allows concubines. two of Muhammad the Prophet’s long term concubines were Mariyah and Rayhana. Both refused to convert and Muhammad did not marry them. Mariyah became pregnant by Muhammad out of wedlock when she was 15 and bore him a son Ibrahim who died in infancy.

    Saffiya was a short term concubine but she became a Muslim and Muhammad then married her.

    Both Rayhan and Saffiya’s husbands were murdered by Muhammad and he lost no time in adding the two children to his marital beds.

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  • tajender

    India suffers eternally in the hands of the troika of Marvadi’s, Gujju’s & Brahmins. The Big three have made India suffocate & suffer by their unethical ways throughout the history. Put together they add up to 8 to 9% of Indian population and hold more than 90% of Indian money, power and other resources. Socially, Educationally, Economically they have always been very powerful & superior to the remaining masses of India. Indian Economy is in the hands of Marvadi’s. They hold most of the Indian businesses. It is surprising to see only one community flourish in businesses, generations after generations. These people do not eat mutton but suck the blood out of people. They have mistaken cheating & manipulations for entrepreneurship. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in business outside India but not in India. Sabeer Bhatia and others in Silicon Valley are great examples. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in Indian Business with Non-Indian clientele. Infosys & other big & small software companies are live examples. However, a Non-Marvadi cannot succeed in Indian business Environment whereas a Marvadi can easily succeed with their competence in manipulatuions and machinations without really having the real competence, technical or otherwise. Right from adultering milk & other food items in a grocery shop, duping customers with non-standard items for branded items, to the big industrialists evading taxes, a Marwadi is involved everywhere in cheating this Nation.
    They have mastered the trick of greasing palms of ever greedy politicians & bureaucrats to ensure the unethical & illegal businesses & methods are ignored by the people in Power. Business are shared within their community irrespective of cost and quality to ensure firm hold on business & economy with the Marvadi’s. Every attempt is made to kill the entrepreneurship from other communities. Businesses given to Non-marvadi’s will suffer Non-payment OR late payments to the point of closure of the others business. Employees in Marvadi firms are treated like slaves. The most qualified, intelligent and effective of the Employees have to work under low educated marvadi, appointed by the owner, as their boss, who keeps on learning from them and bossing over them at the same time, without giving exposure, value addition, or avenue to move ahead in the company. Once a person enters a Marvadi company, his learning stops and has to remain clerk forever, even if he is a Professional. With no addition in knowledge, he cannot venture outside the company and has to live a life of stagnated pond. Marvadi’s are destroying the intelligent and educated middle class just because this class is entrapped in home loans and other such loans. Earlier they cheated people by lending money at exorbitant interests and grabbed farming lands & other properties worth crores of rupees. A parallel economy with black money is run by the same community
    The unethical ways of Marvadi’s are destroying people and the Nation. Gujju’s are aptly represented by people like Harshad Mehta and Ketan Parekh. Recent killings of innocent men, women & children from minorities can give a peep into the minds of Gujju’s where they are in majority. The same Gujju’s have driven out Maharashtrians from Mumbai to the far outskirts of Mumbai. Mumbai has been grabbed by Gujju’s. It is only the Parsi’s who do business in India very ethically and with a lot of social commitment & ecological responsibility. They have tremendous respect from every Indian.

    Brahmins blocked the education for others ensuring no competition. Brahmins have hold on Educational Institutions, Software companies, administrative jobs in Govt. & Lucrative posts in Private companies. Once a Brahmin enters an Organistaion, he slowly makes it the Brahmin Organisation, by employing everyone from his own caste. Where are others? They are peons, clerks, vegetable vendors, street cleaners, farm labourers, construction labourers, low level workers in factories and doing rest of the menial jobs. The suppression of masses continues in one form or the other.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Muslims are poor because they have low IQ, Taju being solid proof of that.

    The reason is that Muslims marry their first cousins and the offspring is inevitably deficient. Plus Muslims grow up with mind control.

    The big dilemma for all Muslim children is they ask their abbajan ” Abbajan, main aapki bibi ko ammi kahun yaa chachi kahoon” because the mother is also the father’s first cousin.

    Reading Taju’s rants we should all feel sorry for him because of all the indoor sports that is typical of Muslims.

    When Muslim males go to a family reunion it is to meet women.

    That reminds me of the incident when a Muslim gilr tells her bhai” Salim bhai, aapka kela Abbajan say jyaadaa bada hai, bahut dard hota hai.”

    Salim replies ” baat such hai, Ammi bhi yahi kahti, usay bhi bahut dard hota hai.”

    Tajjudin probably wont get the above.

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    tajender Reply:

    Muslims are poor because they have low IQ, Taju being solid proof of that

    u say like this who could not built a good road in last 60 years in delhi.

    we are poor HA HA .WE CAN PURCHASE U THIEVES 10 TIMES.u delhi based punjabi sell their women to make money.delhi aur mumbai ke koi punjabi aurat aise nahin hai jisne muslim lnd ka maza na liya ho.
    khosle kya baat karta.
    tum chor gadhon ne india loot ke kha liya hai.they way general p[eople is converting soon india will be muslim majority country.

    U ARE RICH IN INDIA BECAUSE U ARE BUNCH OF THIEVES.

    LND AUR BANDAR AUR HATHEE KE PUJAREE HAMEIN SIKHATA HAI.

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    tajender Reply:

    ur community only produce thieves and liars.hinduism is main reason for our poverty.

    u people pass ur life in eating entertainment sex and cheating.especialize urslf in art of sex and vilence.
    shiv was animal fkr so brhma who used to fk his 2 daughters.

  • tajender

    who will follow this religion who says like this,

    THUS SPAKE PERIYAR

    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening: Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only. Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour. Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.

    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).

    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).

    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:

    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).

    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).

    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month (Chap.3.S.250).

    There are seven varieties of sudras:

    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional worker. (Chap.8.S.415).

    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).

    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras (Chap.10.S.43).

    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these. (Chap.8.S.125)

    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced. (Chap.10.S.235).

    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins. (Chap.8.S.413).

    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).

    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).

    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).

    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so, he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).

    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).

    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).

    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.272).

    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).

    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281).

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  • tajender

    GOOD NEWS

    United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P

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  • abhi

    “To belong in the mainstream is a good thing, but what does it mean in this context? It means Hindu nationalists want Muslims to stop being who they are and start becoming one of them.”

    I think what is demanded of Muslims is what Zia claims to be but obviously is not. An Indian first and a muslim next. Start by criticizing ALL acts of terrorism, committed by ANYBODY. Start caring for the COUNTRY first and your religion next. Fight with Anna Hazare and Baba ramdev against galloping corruption in the country. Worry about the over population in the country and not push for over population of muslims in the country. And a thousand other such things.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Abhi

    Zia and his fellow Muslims are more worried about Gauntnomo Bay than about India.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Tajender,
    Again not by answering and uses bad words during Ramadaan, you have spit on Quran 9th time in 2 days. Nice going.

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  • Mitra

    Forget the nutjobs, Zia – this was one of your most balanced articles. Keep it up!

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  • Jai Khosla

    Many centuries before the pedophile prophet Muhammad and the destructive advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich and glorious center of Vedic civilization.Pre-Islamic Arabia was in fact a flourishing civilization which revered Vedic culture.

    It is the prophet Muhammad and the followers of Muhammadanism who are fully responsible for the dissemination and destruction of this once glorious culture.

    In learning about this most ancient heritage, let’s begin with the word Arabistan itself. Arabistan is derived from the original Sanskrit term Arvasthan which means The Land of Horses. Since time immemorial proponents of the Vedic culture used to breed exceptional horses in this region. Thus eventually the land itself began to be called Arva (Horses)-Sthan (place). The people who lived in this land were called Semitic. Semitic comes from the Sanskrit word Smritic. Arabs followed the ancient Vedic Smritis such as Manu-Smriti as their revered religious guides and thus they were identified as Smritic which has been corrupted into Semitic.

    At that time the Uttarapath (Northern Highway) was the international highway to the North of India. It was via Uttarapath that Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries drew their spiritual, educational and material sustenance from India. Besides, this Sea-links were formed with India at least 800 years before the advent of Islam. Basra was the ancient gateway to India because it was at this port that the Arab lands recieved Indian goods and visitors. At that time the spoken language was Sanskrit, which later dwindled into the local variation that we now call Arabic. The proof of this is that thousands of words that were derived from Sanskrit still survive in Arabic today. Here is a sampling of some:

    Sanskrit Arabic English
    Sagwan Saj Teakwood
    Vish Besh Poison
    Anusari Ansari Follower
    Shishya Sheikh Disciple
    Mrityu Mout Death
    Pra-Ga-ambar Paigambar One from heaven
    Maleen Malaun Dirty or soiled
    Aapati Aafat Misfortune
    Karpas Kaifas Cotton
    Karpur Kafur Camphor
    Pramukh Barmak Chief

    Even various kinds of swords were referred to as Handuwani, Hindi, Saif-Ul-Hind, Muhannid and Hinduani. The Sanskrit Astronomical treatise Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta in Arabic translation is known as Sind-Hind, while another treatise Khanda-Khadyaka was called Arkand. Mathematics itself was called Hindisa .

    The Arabs derived technical guidance in every branch of study such as astronomy, mathematics and physics from India. A noted scholar of history, W.H. Siddiqui notes:

    “The Arab civilization grew up intensively as well as extensively on the riches of
    Indian trade and commerce. Nomadic Arab tribes became partially settled communities
    and some of them lived within walled towns practised agriculture and commerce, wroteon wood and stone, feared the gods and honored the kings.”

    Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by name:(The English translation is in black)

    “Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha minar HIND-e Wa aradakallaha manyonaifail jikaratun”

    “Oh the divine land of HIND (India) (how) very blessed art thou! Because thou art the chosen
    of God blessed with knowledge”

    “Wahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur -rasu minal HINDATUN ”

    “That celestial knowledge which like four lighthouses shone in such brilliance – through the (utterances of) Indian sages in fourfold abundance.”

    “Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen kullahum Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun malam yonajjaylatun”

    “God enjoins on all humans, follow with hands down The path the Vedas with his divine
    precept lay down.”

    “Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR minallahay Tanajeelan Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an
    Yobassheriyona jatun”

    “Bursting with (Divine) knowledge are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation, Hence brothers respect and follow the Vedas, guides to salvation”

    “Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin Ka-a-Khuwatun Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun”

    “Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us fraternity, Sheltering under their lustre dispels darkness till eternity”

    This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C. That was 2300 years before pedo Mohammed!!! This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.

    That the Vedas were the religious scriptures to which the Arabs owed allegiance as early as 1800 B.C. proves not only the antiquity of the Vedas but also the existence of Indian rule over the entire region from the Indus to the Mediterranean, because it is a fact of history that the religion of the ruler is practised by his subjects.

    Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Muhammad. Again let’s refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem was written by Jirrham Bintoi who lived 165 years before the prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India’s great King Vikramaditya who had lived 500 years before Bintoi.

    “Itrasshaphai Santul
    Bikramatul phehalameen Karimun
    Bihillahaya Samiminela
    Motakabbenaran Bihillaha
    Yubee qaid min howa
    Yaphakharu phajgal asari
    nahans Osirim Bayjayholeen
    Yaha sabdunya Kanateph natephi
    bijihalin Atadari Bilala masaurateen
    phakef Tasabahu. Kaunni eja majakaralhada
    walhada Achimiman, burukan, Kad, Toluho
    watastaru Bihillaha yakajibainana
    baleykulle amarena
    Phaheya jaunabil amaray Bikramatoon”

    -(Sair-ul-Okul, Page 315)

    “Fortunate are those who were born
    during King Vikram’s reign, he was
    a noble generous, dutiful ruler devoted
    to the welfare of his subjects. But at
    that time, We Arabs oblivious of divinity
    were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting
    & torture were rampant. The darkness of
    ignorance had enveloped our country.
    Like the lamb struggling for its life
    in the cruel jaws of a wolf, we Arabs
    were gripped by ignorance. The whole
    country was enveloped in a darkness as
    intense as on a New moon night. But the
    present dawn & pleasant sunshine of
    education is the result of the favor of
    that noble king Vikram whose benevolence
    did not lose sight of us foreigners as we
    were. He spread his sacred culture amongst
    us and sent scholars from his own land
    whose brilliance shone like that of the sun
    in our country. These scholars & preceptors
    through whose benevolence we were once again
    made aware of the presence of god, introduced
    to his secret knowledge & put on the road to
    truth, had come to our country to initiate us
    in that culture & impart education.”

    Thus we can see that Vedic religion and culture were present in Pre-Islamic Arabia as early as 1850 B.C., and definitely present at the time of Mohammed’s birth.

    In his book Origines, Volumes 3 & 4″, Sir W. Drummond adds:

    “Tsabaism was the universal language of mankind when Abraham received his call, their doctrines were probably extended all over the civilized nations of Earth.”

    Tsabaism is merely the corruption of the word Shaivism which is Vedic religion. On page 439 of this book, Sir Drummond mentions some of gods of pre-Islamic Arabs, all of which were included in the 360 idols that were consecrated in the Kaba shrine before it was raided and destroyed by Muhammad and his followers. Here are some of the Vedic deities and their original Sanskrit names:

    Arabic Sanskrit English

    Al-Dsaizan Shani Saturn
    Al-Ozi or Ozza Oorja Divine energy
    Al-Sharak Shukra Venus
    Auds Uddhav -
    Bag Bhagwan God
    Bajar Vajra Indra’s thunderbolt
    Kabar Kuber God of wealth
    Dar Indra King of gods
    Dua Shara Deveshwar Lord of the gods
    Habal Bahubali Lord of strength
    Madan Madan God of love
    Manaph Manu First Man
    Obodes Bhoodev Earth
    Razeah Rajesh King of kings
    Saad Siddhi God of Luck
    Sair Shree Goddess of wealth
    Sakiah Shakrah Indra
    Sawara Shiva-Eshwar God Shiva
    Yauk Yaksha Divine being
    Wad Budh Mercury

    The Kaba temple which was misappropriated and captured by Muslims was originally an International Vedic Shrine. The ancient Vedic scripture Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions that Lord Vishnu’s footprints are consecrated in Mecca. An important clue to this fact is that Muslims call this holy precint Haram which is a deviation of the Sanskrit term Hariyam.

    “Ekam Padam Gayayantu
    MAKKAYAANTU Dwitiyakam
    Tritiyam Sthapitam
    Divyam Muktyai Shuklasya Sannidhau”

    The allusion is to the Vamana incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose blessed feet were consecrated at three holy sites, namely Gaya, Mecca and Shukla Teertha. Worshipping such carved, holy foot impressions is a holy Vedic custom which convert Muslims are inadvertently perpetuating. But in doing this they delude themselves and mislead others that these foot-impressions which are on reverential display in several mosques and tombs around the world are in fact Muhammad’s own. There are several snags in this argument. Firstly worshipping a foot -impression amounts to idolatry and should therefore be taboo for a true Muslim. Secondly Muhhamad disclaimed having performed any miracles. Therefore there can be no foot-impression of his on stone. Thirdly foot-impressions must always be in pairs like shoes. Yet in most of these shrines, it is usually a single footprint which suggests that Muhammad walked on only one foot. Another question that crops up is whether the foot-impression is of the same size and foot in all the shrines. The fact appears to be that when the Vedic Kaba shrine in Mecca was invaded by Muhammad, the pairs of foot impressions of Vedic deities there were plundered and later traded to the gullible and devout as Muhammad’s own footprints for some favour, reward or personal gain by unscrupulous muslims. That is why they are single and not in pairs.

    The Shiv Ling at The Kaba. It was broken in seven places and now is held together by a silver band.

    The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta–meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration. All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It’s parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall . The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.

    In addition, in the inscriptions from Hajja and its neighborhood was found a votive vessel dedicated by members of two tribes called Rama and Somia. Rama and Soma are Vedic deities, Rama is of the Solar dynasty and Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The moon god was called by various names in pre-Islamic times , one of them was Allah. Allah had 3 children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were both feminine deities. Alla is another name for the Hindu goddess Durga. It is obvious that the goddess Al-Lat was Alla (Durga) and Al-Uzza was Oorja (energy or life force also known as Shakti). Manat was none other than Somnath which is another name for Lord Shiva. One significant point to note that Soma in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself was dedicated to the Moon God Somnath alias Shiv and the word Somnath was corrupted to Manat. The famous Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the Vedic origins of the Kaba.

    Muslims from all over the world pay homage to this shrine. This shrine is actually the pedestal of Brahma. Notice that the word, Ibrahim is actually a corruption of the word, Brahma. The octogonal grill which is a Vedic design, protects the holy footprints which represent the start of the creation nearly 2000 million years ago. Before it was captured by the Muslims it was an international shrine of the Vedic trinity.

    In fact the names of the holiest of Muslim cities Mecca and Medina come from the Sanskrit words Makha-Medini which means the land of Fire-Worship. Even the most ancient names of these 2 cities were Mahcorava- which came from Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) and Yathrabn – which came from Yatra-Sthan (place of pilgrimage).

    Islam came into being about 1372 years ago. It is well known that over 7500 years ago, at the time of the Mahabharat War, Kurus ruled the world. The scions of that family administered the different regions. Prophet Muhammed himself and his family were adherents of Vedic culture. The Encyclopedia Islamia admits as much when it says: “Muhammed’s grandfather and uncles were hereditary priests of the Kaba temple which housed 360 idols!”

    According to Arab traditions, Muhammad is a title. We do not know what name his parents had given him. We do however know that the central object of worship which survives at the Kaba today is a Shivling. That was allowed to remain there because that was the faceless family deity of Muhammad’s family. One of the original names of Lord Shiv is Mahadev (The Great God) therefore it is entirely possible Muhammad came from Mahadev. This appears fairly certain because the Arabs still have a Mahadevi sect. Moreover the title Mehdi of a Muslim chief is also a malpronounciation of the term Mahadeva. According to Sanskrit etymology the term Muhammad implies ‘a person of great inspiration’-'Mahan Madah yasya assau Muhammadah’ In a hostile sense it also implies ‘a person of a proud and haughty temperament’.

    The Qurayshi tribe into which Mohammed was born was particularly devoted to Allah ( Moon god) and and the three children of the Moon God. Therefore when Muhammad decided to create his own Divine religion, he took innumerable aspects of the daily Vedic culture that surrounded him and corrupted them to suit his needs. It was with the advent of the Prophet and Islam that the death-knell of the glorious Arab culture was sounded. With Islam came the flood of destruction, murder, plunder and crime that destroyed the great Vedic heritage of Arabs. The pedophile Prophet merely took some existing artefacts and terms and corrupted them so profoundly that no one would be able to discover their actual origins.

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    tajender Reply:

    Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Muhammad. Again let’s refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem was written by Jirrham Bintoi who lived 165 years before the prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India’s great King Vikramaditya who had lived 500 years before Bintoi

    absolute lie.
    cow and horses are the base of vedic culture both these animals dont exist there.

    lie is staple food of vedics.cheaters and liars.

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    tajender Reply:

    khosla there is no vedic culture in india what we see in india is buhdhdist and muslim culture.
    brhmns plundered budhhdists occupied their places of worship kashi mathura and ayodhya are all budhdhist places.

    vedics are immoral cheaters and robbers.did not mde any culture any where.they make temples fool the masses through cheating earn good money which they use to hurt others.

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    Aaloke Reply:

    Jai,

    Every thing written by you is really very informative and interesting. Dear Taj is hardly able to breathe. I feel like saying ” Bachhe ki Jan Loge Kya” . But then , he needs to be hammered with reason . Hope something positive will happen to him.

    tajender Reply:

    this bullshit and lie.bundle of half truth,untruth and lie.vedics has expertize in this line.

    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Taj is not my target audience.

    My target readership is the section of Muslims who can read, write and think, so that they will look at Islam critically and not through Arab eyeglasses.

    Jai Khosla Reply:

    If there was Islamic culture in India we would all be marrying six year old females in imitation of the Prophet.

    tajender Reply:

    now u copy krishna who used to fk neighbors wife and had 1603.
    copy vishnu jisne mahesh kee ghaand maree to ayyapan paida hue.

    shiv ka lnd ghaand mein daal ke sone ke aadat banao.

    tajender Reply:

    Prophet Muhammed himself and his family were adherents of Vedic culture

    absolute lie.mecca had idol worshipper.vedas prohibit idol worshipping.

    when man was donkey he was hindu when they got knowledge and civilization they became muslim.

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    Sid Reply:

    I believe Vasudhaiva Kuttumbakam as the right subhashit for this beautiful description of yours!
    I hope everybody acknowledge that Hinduism has gifted this world with languages, science and technology in-short knowledge of every field that exists today was known and discovered in India 5000 years before!!
    I guess that means if you are a strong hindu follower you are exploring this universe through knolwedge. So all hindus be smart and make your careers, create money and marry muslim, christian, hindu or any woman for that matter and bring hindu(following knowledge as his/her religion) children. Also try and protect any hindu girl/ woman from marrying into other religion because that might cause creation of negligent children.

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  • Jai Khosla

    In Islam many rituals performed (today) by devoted Muslims in the name of Allah are connected to the pagan worship that existed before Islam.
    Pagans practices of the Pilgrimage of Kabah once a year–the skipping of lunch during Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc. are strictly followed by Muslims today. Nobody can deny the fact that, all the above rituals of Muslim’s hajj today—existed well before the arrival of Islam.

    PedoMoe’s father was Abdullah, a name in existence before Muhammad founded Islam. Abdullah means slave of the idol Allah. Allah was one of the 360 idols Arabs worshiped.

    Muhammad made Allah the only idol.

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  • tajender

    It was with the advent of the Prophet and Islam that the death-knell of the glorious Arab culture was sounded

    arab culture is still exist there prophet mohammed gave the light and made them civilized

    there was no vedic culture.over there.

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  • tajender

    According to the RSS, India’s biggest Hindu terrorist party, and the widespread belief in the “educated class”, Hinduism is India’s biggest religion and over 85% of its population are Hindu. Fine.

    But according a seminar conducted in Bangalore on Jan.4, 2009 by the RSS followers the ruling religion of over 85% is in danger — facing a threat of extinction.

    The speakers were crying and saying conversions were weakening their Hinduism and the SC/ST/BCs were simply slipping away into Islam and Christianity. They asked Karnataka’s BJP Govt. to bring a law to ban conversion.

    But conversions have been banned in many North Indian states. Yet the conversions have not stopped.

    If the oppressed SC/ST/BCs are well-looked after by the custodians of Hinduism why will they go out? The Bangalore seminar had no answer.

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  • tajender

    GOOD NEWS

    HELICOPTER SHOT DOWN IN AFGHANISTAN 31 SOLDIERS (AMERICANS)DIED.

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  • Aaloke

    Jai,

    Every thing written by you is really very informative and interesting. Dear Taj is hardly able to breathe. I feel like saying ” Bachhe ki Jan Loge Kya” . But then , he needs to be hammered with reason . Hope something positive will happen to him and people like him.

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    tajender Reply:

    it is bullshit and wrong.at every step.vedics are biggest liars.how they lied about babri masjid.

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  • tajender

    it is still happening in india u fk 1603 and neighbours wife.

    ayypan was product of homosexuality.this is india.har achcha hindu ghaand mein shvln daal ke soota hai this is great india,
    khusra ganesh na chal sakta na hil sakta.kaisa ghandoo bhagwan hai.

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  • tajender

    like ramanaya and geeta it is also fabricated story by vedics.vedics were never in arab world.

    India suffers eternally in the hands of the troika of Marvadi’s, Gujju’s & Brahmins. The Big three have made India suffocate & suffer by their unethical ways throughout the history. Put together they add up to 8 to 9% of Indian population and hold more than 90% of Indian money, power and other resources. Socially, Educationally, Economically they have always been very powerful & superior to the remaining masses of India. Indian Economy is in the hands of Marvadi’s. They hold most of the Indian businesses. It is surprising to see only one community flourish in businesses, generations after generations. These people do not eat mutton but suck the blood out of people. They have mistaken cheating & manipulations for entrepreneurship. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in business outside India but not in India. Sabeer Bhatia and others in Silicon Valley are great examples. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in Indian Business with Non-Indian clientele. Infosys & other big & small software companies are live examples. However, a Non-Marvadi cannot succeed in Indian business Environment whereas a Marvadi can easily succeed with their competence in manipulatuions and machinations without really having the real competence, technical or otherwise. Right from adultering milk & other food items in a grocery shop, duping customers with non-standard items for branded items, to the big industrialists evading taxes, a Marwadi is involved everywhere in cheating this Nation.
    They have mastered the trick of greasing palms of ever greedy politicians & bureaucrats to ensure the unethical & illegal businesses & methods are ignored by the people in Power. Business are shared within their community irrespective of cost and quality to ensure firm hold on business & economy with the Marvadi’s. Every attempt is made to kill the entrepreneurship from other communities. Businesses given to Non-marvadi’s will suffer Non-payment OR late payments to the point of closure of the others business. Employees in Marvadi firms are treated like slaves. The most qualified, intelligent and effective of the Employees have to work under low educated marvadi, appointed by the owner, as their boss, who keeps on learning from them and bossing over them at the same time, without giving exposure, value addition, or avenue to move ahead in the company. Once a person enters a Marvadi company, his learning stops and has to remain clerk forever, even if he is a Professional. With no addition in knowledge, he cannot venture outside the company and has to live a life of stagnated pond. Marvadi’s are destroying the intelligent and educated middle class just because this class is entrapped in home loans and other such loans. Earlier they cheated people by lending money at exorbitant interests and grabbed farming lands & other properties worth crores of rupees. A parallel economy with black money is run by the same community
    The unethical ways of Marvadi’s are destroying people and the Nation. Gujju’s are aptly represented by people like Harshad Mehta and Ketan Parekh. Recent killings of innocent men, women & children from minorities can give a peep into the minds of Gujju’s where they are in majority. The same Gujju’s have driven out Maharashtrians from Mumbai to the far outskirts of Mumbai. Mumbai has been grabbed by Gujju’s. It is only the Parsi’s who do business in India very ethically and with a lot of social commitment & ecological responsibility. They have tremendous respect from every Indian.

    Brahmins blocked the education for others ensuring no competition. Brahmins have hold on Educational Institutions, Software companies, administrative jobs in Govt. & Lucrative posts in Private companies. Once a Brahmin enters an Organistaion, he slowly makes it the Brahmin Organisation, by employing everyone from his own caste. Where are others? They are peons, clerks, vegetable vendors, street cleaners, farm labourers, construction labourers, low level workers in factories and doing rest of the menial jobs. The suppression of masses continues in one form or the other.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Tajuddin

    You really believe that the arabic idol spoke to Moe thru the angel Jarbilla?

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    allah was sendinghis instruction throgh jibril.it is right.holy quran is perfect book cannot be written by man.

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  • satya

    Hey mlechha Tej,

    (In india, Muslims were always called mlechhas = barbarians)
    read this

    Q. Why did Sri Krishna marry so many women?

    A. Bhaumasura had kidnapped and made captive over sixteen thousand princesses by collecting them from the palaces of various kings.

    Lord Krishna killed Bhaumasura and after entered the palace of Bhaumasura. When the princesses saw the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krishna, enter the palace, they immediately became captivated by the beauty of the Lord and prayed for His causeless mercy. Within their minds, they decided to accept Lord Krishna as their husband without hesitation. Each one of them prayed to Providence that Krishna might become her husband. Sincerely and seriously, they offered their hearts to the lotus feet of Krishna with an unalloyed devotional attitude. As the Supersoul in everyone’s heart, Krishna could understand their uncontaminated desire and He agreed to accept them as His wives.

    In Vedic system, if a girl is touched by a man then nobody will marry that girl. And because of this also they pleaded Lord Krishna to accept them because nobody else is going to marry them.

    Krishna arranged to marry the 16,108 girls brought from the custody of Bhaumasura. By expanding Himself in 16,108 forms, He simultaneously married them all in different palaces at the same auspicious moment. All the palaces of the over 16,000 queens of Krishna were filled with suitable gardens, furniture and other paraphernalia, of which there is no parallel in this world. The queens of Krishna were all expansions of the goddess of fortune, Lakshmiji.

    In the Vedic system, a ksatriya could have more than one wife and we find many examples of this. (When Krishna accepted wives, he did so in His lila as a king, or ksatriya.) Even so, we cannot find anyone marrying 16,108 wives! And to satisfy all of His queens, He manifested Himself in an expanded form of Krishna to reside with each queen, simultaneously! This is but one demonstration of the unique opulence and unlimited potency of Krishna. “Why only 16,108 wives?”, Srila Prabhupada would sometimes remark about Krishna’s marriages. Everything and everyone ultimately are His property and He is ultimate enjoyer.
    Srila Prabhupada says in the purport of Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.31

    “As mentioned above, the Lord entered His home palaces occupied by 16,108 queens. This means that the Lord at once expanded Himself in as many plenary expansions as there were queens and palaces and entered in each and every one of them simultaneously and separately.

    Thus the Personality of Godhead manifested Himself in 16,108 plenary expansions and simultaneously entered into each and every one of the palaces of the queens. This is called vaibhava, or the transcendental potency of the Lord. And because He can do so, He is also known as Yogeshvara. Ordinarily, a yogi or mystic living being is able to expand himself at utmost to tenfold expansions of his body but the Lord can do so to the extent of as many thousands or infinitely, as He likes. Unbelievers become astonished to learn that Lord Krishna married more than 16,000 queens because they think of Lord Krishna as one of them and measure the potency of the Lord by their own limited potency.

    One should know, therefore, that the Lord is never on the level of the living beings, who are but expansions of His marginal potency and one should never equalize the potent and the potency, although there is very little difference of quality between the potent and the potency. The queens were also expansions of His internal potency and thus the potent and potencies are perpetually exchanging transcendental pleasures, known as pastimes of the Lord. One should not, therefore, become astonished to learn that the Lord married so many wives. On the contrary, one should affirm that even if the Lord marries sixteen thousand million wives, He is not completely manifesting His unlimited and inexhaustible potency. He married only 16,000 wives and entered in each and every one of the different palaces just to impress in the history of the human beings on the surface of the earth that the Lord is never equal to or less than any human being, however powerful he may be. No one, therefore, is either equal to or greater than the Lord. The Lord is always great in all respects. “God is great” is eternal truth.”

    His marrying Rukmini and other queens should not be seen from the mundane platform. Rukmini and all the other queens of Dvaraka are actually expansions of Srimati Radharani and are the internal spiritual energy of the Lord. There is nothing immoral, unfaithful or reproachable in the divine pastimes of the Supreme Lord – they are all meant simply for increasing the spiritual happiness of His devotees.

    Srila Prabhupada says in the purport of Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.35

    “Lord Krishna’s behavior with His wives is never to be understood as mundane sex relation. The women who became the wives of the Lord are certainly not ordinary women, because to get the Lord as one’s husband is the result of many, many millions of births’ tapasya (austerity). When the Lord appears on different lokas, or planets, or on this planet of human beings, He displays His transcendental pastimes just to attract the conditioned souls to become His eternal servitors, friends, parents and lovers respectively in the transcendental world, where the Lord eternally reciprocates such exchanges of service. Service is pervertedly represented in the material world and broken untimely, resulting in sad experience. The illusioned living being conditioned by material nature cannot understand out of ignorance that all our relations here in the mundane world are temporary and full of inebrieties. Such relations cannot help us be happy perpetually, but if the same relation is established with the Lord, then we are transferred to the transcendental world after leaving this material body and become eternally related with Him in the relation we desire. The women amongst whom He lived as their husband are not, therefore, women of this mundane world, but are eternally related with Him as transcendental wives, a position which they attained by perfection of devotional service. That is their competency.”

    Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.36

    Although the queens’ beautiful smiles and furtive glances were all spotless and exciting, and although they could conquer Cupid himself by making him give up his bow in frustration and although even the tolerant Shiva could fall victim to them, still, despite all their magical feats and attractions, they could not agitate the senses of the Lord.

    Srila Prabhupada writes in purport

    Lord Shiva, who is considered to be most tolerant, was also struck by Cupid’s arrow because he also became mad after the Mohini incarnation of the Lord and acknowledged himself to be defeated. Cupid, however, was himself captivated by the grave and exciting dealings of the goddesses of fortune and he voluntarily gave up his bow and arrow in a spirit of frustration. Such was the beauty and attraction of the queens of Lord Krishna. Yet they could not disturb the transcendental senses of the Lord. This is because the Lord is all-perfect atmarama or self-sufficient. He does not require anyone’s extraneous help for His personal satisfaction. Therefore, the queens could not satisfy the Lord by their feminine attractiveness but they satisfied Him by their sincere affection and service. Only by unalloyed transcendental loving service could they satisfy the Lord and the Lord was pleased to treat them as wives in reciprocation. Thus being satisfied by their unalloyed service only, the Lord reciprocated the service just like a devout husband. Otherwise He had no business becoming the husband of so many wives. He is the husband of everyone, but to one who accepts Him as such, He reciprocates. This unalloyed affection for the Lord is never to be compared to mundane lust. It is purely transcendental. And the grave dealings, which the queens displayed in natural feminine ways, were also transcendental because the feelings were expressed out of transcendental ecstasy.

    Krishna taught Bhagavad-gita and lived as an ideal king and we should abide by those instructions. But just as we cannot imitate Krishna’s lifting Govardhana or dancing on Kaliya’s hoods, similarly we cannot imitate His rasa-lila or marrying so many wives.

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    Krishna taught Bhagavad-gita

    krishna never existed in peacticle form.

    bhagwat geeta is pure fraud,written with sole intension of enslaving blue and black indian.also forced white brhmncl superiority on indians.every blue and black indian is supposed to serve
    white fraud guru.who have dedicated his life in stealing the national and social wealth of india.

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    (In india, Muslims were always called mlechhas = barbarians

    malecha means foriegner in hindu literature they call others with abuse.though they themselves are most wicked on earth.

    all their bhagwans comes on earth for ethenic cleansing.like parushram.

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    Why did Sri Krishna marry so many women

    krishna never existed.this story is very like story of moses.bhagwat geeta is writtenb recently.though part of mahabharat ,has differnt sanskrit.this was written to fool indians to accept brhmncl slavery.
    ghandhi, the biggest fraud of last century used to market this when brhmn bania alliance was formed with only purpose of looting india.

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    Pradeep Mn Reply:

    Moses peace be upon him, is accepted by Dr.Zakir Naik.

    Kalinga Putra Reply:

    And kuran is full of gyan, ehh ?? You pig, how many years old your islam is ? You moron, has not your muhhamad killed his foster son bilal & accepted his widow daughter-in-law as kept ?? you dog-shit, understand that you are not from arab countries where muhhamad started preaching his non-sense. your fore fathers have converted from any other religion or some arab had killed your father & enslaved your mother. you are product of arabian gangbang.

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    Pradeep Mn Reply:

    Bhagawad geeta is pure truth.

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    sati Reply:

    Miss tajen

    single example: Maha rushi(saint)Valmiki is not Bhramin he is SC/ST in current India..Note it it is propaganda by Western to divide Hindustan on basis of religion/caste…but if u talk abt Krishna yuga there is no religion/caste .there is only Dharma or Adharama :) correct you Knowledge

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  • abhi

    ‘He also wants Hindus to “propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.”
    Those who think that Swamy has done no wrong, should start a Swamy Defence Fund and contribute to it generously. You be the first, Zia,

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Tajender,
    Again not by answering and using bad words during Ramadaan, you have spit on Quran 15 times in 3 days. Infact you have started farting on Quran. Nice going.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    Taj does not have to use profanities to insult God.

    Every time he associates the Arabic idol with God he insults God.

    Every time he calls Muhammad God;’s prophet he insults God.

    Every time he skips lunch during Ramzan and then claims he fasted under orders from god he insults God.

    The Quran is worth spitting upon.

    God should not be insulted. It hurts God lovers like me.

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  • shan

    @Jai Khosla,I will fully endorse your theory of FOOTPRINT WORHIP. I had seen one in TOPKAPI MUSEUM in ISTANBUL. Allegedly brought from mecca , it was about one feet long and had a clear impression of a feet .Also it was probably GRANITE.This is sold as PROPHET’s footprint .I asked a devout and soft jehadi libyan doctor , if he beleived it was mohammad’s actual footprint.Even he said he did not beleive it was muhammad .t can’t be IT IS ONE FEET LONG.This must be the relics found after the destruction of preislam religion by prophet .It does fit in squarely with your hypothesis .

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    I agree. Islam is an idolatrous and idol worshiping faith. I remember once I was in Hydrebad and in a shrine type building there was a skull in a glass case, believed be that of a Muslim holy man. I wont name him to not excite Taj and company.

    Then I was in Delhi a few months later and there was another glass case with a skull in it that was also claimed to be that of the same holy man.

    When I questioned the claim, the imam bluntly stated that the skull in Hyderabad was when the holy man was 20 years old and the skull in Delhi was when he was 5o years old.

    The skull like the kaaba in Mecca with the Shivling that all Muslims kiss, is another gimmick that religious phonies use to steal money from the gullible.

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    u are liar this joke is told in up for guru nanak.

    for ur good health i advise,

    ROZ SUBAH UTH KAR EK CHOTA SHVLNG HOMOSEXUAL SAVARKAR KEE GND MEIN EK AUR GOLWALKAR KEE GNH ME DAAL KE,

    MUH PE KALIK POOT KE EK TAANG PE KHADE HO KE,EK AUR SHVLNG APNEE GNH DAAL KE DO UNGLYAAN KHUSRE GANESH KEE GND MEIN DAAL KE NAAK KISI RSS WALE KE GND PE RAKH KE,MUH KO NAGPUR KEE TARF KARKE GND BARTA MATA KARKE,GAO
    JAI JAI KUNJ BIHARI KI,
    MAA KEE CH00T RSS WALON KEE
    GALE MEIN LATKE ZHATOON KE MALA
    GHAAND MEIN SUBKEE RSS KA DANDA.

    PHIR TUMHE SWARAG MILEGA WAHIN OSSAMA TUM SABKEE AKELE GHND MAREIGA.

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    taj

    did you forget to take your medication today?

    TAJENDER Reply:

    AS SAUDIA WAS UNDER TURKISH CONTROL THEY TRANSPORTED MOST OF THE RELICS TO TURKEY.but many were also purchased by rich mulim rulers of avadh.which fell in the last.

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  • Jai Khosla

    The truth about Godhra should be told and told again.

    1. Muslim residents of Godhra set the caoches on fire and burned to death 59 Hindu women and children.

    2. In the riots that followed 1000 people were killed of whom 300 were Hindus.

    Since no ’secularist’ or ‘liberal’ or ‘objective’ person ever challenged the above sets of figures, they must be true.

    Who killed 300-odd Hindus so early in those riots? Was it the police or the Hindus themselves?

    And what made those 40,000 Hindus rush to relief camps? Was it fear of Hindu mob violence, rape, arson and murder?

    Or were they afraid of Muslims?

    Two recent ‘news briefs’ in print are critical evidence of a reality that’s been totally ignored by our ‘liberals’ who have, for four years running, gone on and on and on about the ‘genocide’ of Muslims in Gujarat after the sudden inferno in the S-6 compartment of Sabarmati Express had consumed 59 Hindus, including 26 women and 13 children, returning home after performing kar seva at Ayodhya.

    In its edition of March 19, 2006, The Sunday Express carried the following report from Ahmedabad:

    “Post-Godhra riot case: 7 get lifer

    The city sessions court on Friday convicted seven people in a post-Godhra riot case and sentenced them to life term for the murder of 35-year-old Mukesh Panchal, a resident of Lambha. He was attacked by the accused and went missing on November 7, 2003 from Shah-e-Alam Darwaza. His mutilated body was found near Chandoka Lake on November 11. One of the seven accused—Javed Shaukat Ali—meanwhile managed to give the cops a slip and fled from the court.”

    In its edition of Wednesday, March 29, 2006 The Indian Express carried the following report, also datelined Ahmedabad:

    “Nine get jail in post-Godhra riot case

    The city sessions court on Tuesday convicted nine accused in a post-Godhra riot case. Additional Sessions Judge Sonia Gokani sentenced Mushtaq alias Kanio Ahmed Sheikh to 10 years in jail for murder and attempt to murder. Eight others were sentenced to 18 months in prison for unlawful assembly, possessing weapons and rioting.”

    Out of the five convictions so far in l’affaire Godhra, the above two rip the blindfold on Godhra that the country was subjected to since March 2002.

    Those two convictions conclusively prove that even as some Hindus in Vadodra, Ahmedabad and a few other parts of Gujarat were provoked into insane killing, arson and loot by the S-6 carnage, the Muslims in that state were hardly the cattle hiding from the slaughter house that they have been made out by the “secularists” in and outside our national English media.

    Do you, for instance, recall reading about the mutilation of Mukesh Panchal’s cadaver in any of the English print media? Did you hear a sound byte about it on our TV?

    Yes, despite all the media and the consequent political, propaganda about the ‘genocide’ of Gujarat’s Muslims, the reality is that some of that community were also engaged in murder, rioting and unlawful assembly with arms in hand.

    Since no ’secularist’ or ‘liberal’ or ‘objective’ person ever challenged the above sets of figures, some questions arise: Who killed 200-odd Hindus so early in those riots? Was it the police or the Hindus themselves? And what made those 40,000 Hindus rush to relief camps? Was it fear of Hindu mob violence, rape, arson and murder?

    More proof of the blindfold on Godhra came in 2005, when the UPA coalition (comprising the ’secular’ friends of Muslims) made a statement in Parliament that 254 Hindus and 790 Muslims were killed in those riots.

    But our national media simply refused to remove the blindfold on Godhra. Hence it was that the elites of our society continued to rant about the Gujarat ‘pogrom of genocide’; some cussed Indians even conspired to deny a US visa to the Chief Minister of one of the country’s fastest developing states.

    Aiding and abetting that conspiracy were reports from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International et al. The National Human Rights Commission joined in; written lies by the likes of Arundhati Roy and fake e-mails added fuel to the fire. All of them went to town about the Gujarat ‘genocide’ with blinkers on, a blindfold underneath. None wanted to touch upon the minority community’s role in that tragedy.

    But the latest criminal conviction of 16 Muslims evokes the recall of the Justice Tewatia Report on the Godhra issue published on April 26, 2002 under the aegis of the Council For International Affairs And Human Rights, based in New Delhi.

    It was a report based on a six-day field study of a team headed by Justice D.S. Tewatia, former Chief Justice, Calcutta High Court and Punjab and Haryana High Court. Its other members were Dr J.C. Batra, senior advocate, Supreme Court, Dr Krishan Singh, academician, Jawahar Lal Kaul, veteran journalist, and Prof. B. K. Kuthiala, Dean, Faculty of Media Studies, G.J. University, Hisar.

    The five-man team visited three affected areas and relief camps in Ahmedabad, interacting freely with the public and members of both communities, and without government interference. In Godhra, five delegations from both communities and also of mixed composition presented their views and facts to the team. Similarly, free discussions with the public and affected communities were held in Vadodra at seven affected areas and five relief camps.

    It collected information from the staff at the Godhra Railway Station, district administration, including the Collector and Police Commissioner, passengers traveling in Sabarmati Express on 27.02.02 in S-6 compartment as well as in other compartments, staff of the Fire Brigade, Godhra, reports in 22 newspapers and nine magazines (local, regional and Delhi) and views on media coverage articulated by some 500 persons including intellectuals like lawyers, doctors and businessmen. The site where the train was initially stopped and stoned was also visited. A high point was that 13 delegations consisting of 121 citizens met Justice Tewatia’s team and presented their viewpoints and information. The delegations ranged from the Association of Hoteliers to a group of Vanvasis and affected Muslim as well as Hindu women.

    Based on the considerable oral, audio and visual evidence obtained from the above interactions, the Justice Tewatia team’s conclusions most relevant to the blindfold on Godhra were as follows:

    Burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims on February 27, 2002 was an act carried out at the behest of then government of Pakistan which had planned to burn the entire Sabarmati Express carrying some 2000 passengers. The primary objective was to create Hindu-Muslim communal conflagration in India.

    The actual perpetrators were jehadi elements in the predominantly Muslim town of Godhra where a very high traffic of telephone calls was recorded between Godhra and Pakistan, especially Karachi, before the date of the carnage an abnormally large number of passports were issued, there was a large number of persons without ration cards , a large number of unemployed Muslims had mobile phones, though there is no tradition of being a Muslim pilgrim center and the local Muslims are not affluent, three istema (religious gatherings) have been held and attended by large numbers of foreigners, and an Assistant Collector (a young Muslim from eastern UP) went on leave two days before the gory incident and did not return till the middle of March though the district of his posting was aflame with communal riots much earlier.

    The vacuum pipe between the Coaches No. S-6 and S-7 was cut thereby preventing any further movement of the train. Muslim miscreants threw bricks and stones at the train as soon as it left Godhra railway station.

    The stoning intensified after it finally stopped about 700 metres from the station. The passengers of the train, particularly Coaches S-5, S-6 and S-7, were the main targets. Burning missiles and acid bulbs were thrown on and in the coaches. One such acid missile landed in Coach S-7 and a fire started which the passengers were able to extinguish. But the attack continued and more burning missiles were thrown into the Coach S-6.

    In an effort to control the subsequent riots, the Gujarat government publicly announced its decision to employ the Army on the evening of the day riots began on February 28 (Within less than 24 hours at least one brigade of Indian Army had air-landed at Ahmedabad),
    Made preventive arrests of over 33,000 people,

    Fired over 12,000 rounds of bullets,
    Fired over 15,000 rounds of tear gas shells,

    The involvement of Vanvasis in the post-Godhra riots added a new dimension to the communal violence. In rural areas the Vanvasis attacked the Muslim moneylenders and shopkeepers. They used their traditional bow and arrows as also their implements used to cut trees and grass while attacking Muslims. They moved in groups and used coded signals for communication. Apparently, the accumulated anger of years of exploitation by Muslim moneylenders (interest of 50 per cent per annum) and shopkeepers had become explosive after Muslim moneylenders sexually exploited their womenfolk.

    The media selected, distorted and added fiction to prove their respective points of view. The code of ethics prescribed by the Press Council of India was violated by the media with impunity. It so enraged the citizens that several concerned citizens in the disturbed areas suggested that peace could return to the state only if some of the TV channels were closed for some weeks. Even the Vanvasis complained that the media had no time to hear their agony and was spreading canards against the Hindus.

    Newspapers published in English from Delhi invariably editorialised the news. Direct and indirect comments in the news writing were so telling that the personal likes and dislikes of the news reporters were too obvious to be missed. They appeared to have assumed the role of crusaders against the State Government from day one. It coloured the entire operation of newsgathering, feature writing and editorials.

    Conclusions 1 to 4 above are indicators as to why our national media, ever afraid to criticise the Muslim and ever ready to indulge in BJP/Hindu bashing, bypassed the Justice Tewatia Report, despite its high credentials and the fact that it was publicly released at a press conference in New Delhi. After all, our ’secular’ national media simply could not have tolerated giving even a line to report’s conclusion 5 above.

    Hence, they simply buried the whole report itself, put a blindfold on the country vision of it. After all, they had found their Hindu-bashing agenda in the post-Godhra riots and they were hell-bent in pushing it full steam, right up to the Supreme Court and beyond to the United Nations.

    Will the criminal conviction of 16 by two separate sessions judges in Ahmedabad remove the blindfold on Godhra that the ‘monster media’ put on the people of this country?

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    Jai Khosla Reply:

    FIFTY EIGHT PILGRIMS ROASTED ALIVE:*

    *Police investigations later revealed that miscreants entered the S-5 and came through the vestibule to S-6 and threw the inflammable petrol, and set fire to the coach. This corroborates the findings of the State Forensic Laboratory that the inflammable material was not thrown through windows from outside, but was lighted/ignited within the coach S-6”

    Soon, S-6 caught fire and within minutes it was in flames. Passengers who managed to get out of the burning compartment were attacked with sharp weapons and stoned. They received serious injuries. Some of them got out through the windows and took shelter below the coach. After some time (between 20 minutes and 40 minutes) fire engine arrived at the scene and took about half an hour to extinguish the fire.

    Inside the coach, 58 charred bodies were found. These included 26 women and 12 children. Those who had seen the charred bodies shiver even weeks after the incident while recalling the gory scene. Even a cursory look at the photographs of the charred bodies is a chilling experience. Forty-three(43) injured persons were rushed to the Civil Hospital at Godhra with different degrees of burns. The train left Godhra at about 1230 hours minus Coach S-6, 58 dead and 43 injured.

    The question why a large number of Hindus were roasted alive at the hands of Muslim crowds at Godhra and also what was the motivation to enact such a ghastly act needs to be answered. There is strong logic supported by direct and circumstantial evidence that enables the team to assert without an iota of doubt that the entire action was carried out on the behest of the Government of Pakistan. The primary objective was to create Hindu-Muslim communal conflagration in India.
    The reasons why Pakistan would resort to such acts are:

    1. Hindu-Muslim communal riots in India would have echo in Bangladesh, and would help in cleansing of Hindus from that country resulting in further straining of relations with India. The communal rioting will provide yet another excuse for India bashing. The reaction in Bangladesh will add fuel to the already communally tense situation in India. It would ultimately gives sustenance to the “Two Nation Theory”.

    2. Hindu-Muslim riots in India would further accentuate alienation of Kashmiri Muslims, thereby creating further space in Kashmir for Pakistan’s nefarious activities against India.

    3. Hindu-Muslim riots in India would tend to adversely affect India’s present friendly relations with Afghanistan. It is worth mentioning here that Prime Minister of Afghanistan had in a television interview while responding to a question about the nature of Afghanistan’s relations with India observed, “That would depend upon how India treats its Muslim minority”. Incidentally, the Prime Minister of Afghanistan was in Delhi on the fateful day the train was torched.

    4. Situation at the Indo-Pak border is extremely critical and volatile. A little misunderstanding or even an unintended move can lead to a war between the two countries. Hindu-Muslim riots in such a situation would come handy to weaken our defence as the army would have to be withdrawn from the borders to combat riots. The army is normally summoned to assist the civil authorities when the situation worsens as happened during recent riots in Gujarat.

    With a view to maintain law and order, two Brigades of army were deployed in various parts of the state thereby leaving a portion of our border uncovered or weakly protected. To cite an example, if the troops deployed on the Kutch border are withdrawn our defences in that area become weak and border more porous thereby increasing the danger of infiltration by jehadis and smugglers dealing with drugs and arms. What would please more the hostile neighbour and ISI than weak defences and porous borders and what can be a better mechanism than creating a situation where Indian army’s attention is diverted because of its deployment in riot- hit areas. All patriotic and nationalist forces demanding deployment of army to assist the civil authority for one reason or the other need to look at the situation from this angle as well.

    5. Hindu-Muslim riots increase the alienation of the saner elements among Kashmiri Muslim and add to the support base of terrorist outfits sponsored, armed and financed by ISI. Terrorism and insurgency get a shot in the arm. In the event of a war between the two countries these subversive groups can play havoc.

    6. Hindu-Muslim riots create tensions and misunderstanding between India and Muslim countries with which India has developed understanding and goodwill. By provoking communal violence, Pakistan wants to isolate India in the international community and tarnish its image as a pluralistic and democratic society.

    Another question that needs systematic analysis is: Why Godhra?

    Why did Pakistan choose to enact this ghastly act at a small, little known town of Godhra?

    On the basis of information gathered from various sources the team identifies the following reasons for choosing Godhra for this carnage:

    The rate of growth of Muslim population in Godhra is much higher than the national growth rate of Muslim population. At present the estimated ratio of Hindu-Muslim population ranges from 60:40 to 48:52. In any case, it is an established fact that Godhra has a very large Muslim population. Most of them live on both the sides of the railway station in depth.

    In normal course, the Sabarmati Express was to arrive at Godhra railway Station at 02.55 a.m. The conspirators must have chosen the place with a view to complete their operation “Burn the train” at the dead of night when most of the passengers would be asleep. They must have planned to accomplish their evil “mission” unhindered and with impunity.

    Godhra has the dubious distinction of having a large number of Muslim fundamentalists and jehadi elements. Godhra is neither a Muslim pilgrim centre like Ajmer nor a Muslim educational center like Aligarh and Deoband. The local Muslims are not economically affluent either, yet this town had hosted three istema’- religious congregations. In one of the istema’, Muslim representatives from more than hundred countries participated.

    The holding of international congregations on such a massive scale gives credence to the commonly held perception that there has been a massive inflow of foreign money into Godhra.

    One Shri Haji Bilal, a Congress member of Nagarpalika, who has been booked by the police as the executor of the carnage, have been, according to locals, proudly proclaiming himself to be “Bin Laden of Godhra”.

    President of the District Congress Committee, Farooq Malla and Congress activist and member of Godhra Nagarpalika, Abdul Rehman Dhatia, are amongst those booked for the carnage giving credence to reports that local Congressmen were actively involved in the burning of the train.

    The next question is: Why was this particular train chosen for torching?

    The team provides the following answer:

    This particular train was chosen because the 2300 pilgrims were returning from Ayodhya on this train. Torching and burning alive a large number of Hindu pilgrims (including women and children) was intended to let loose a tide of indignation and provocation of horrendous proportion in Hindu population resulting in intended ignition of the communal tinder box, causing wide spread Hindu-Muslim riots all over the country.

    However, the train got late and the miscreants were able to burn only one compartment instead of the entire train and (contrary to the expectations of their Pakistani masters) the communal riots were confined to only a part of Gujarat.

    The evidence that leads to the conclusion that the torching of Sabarmati Express on the morning of 27. 02.02 was pre-meditated can be stated as:

    The train took only three minutes, as per the statement of the Stationmaster, form the platform to the place where it was stopped by pulling the chain at a distance of about 700 metres. It is impossible for a mob of about 2000 persons carrying acid bulbs and highly combustible liquids to converge within three minutes that too in the early hours of the morning.

    The conspirators had done their homework. They ensured that the mob gets enough time to accomplish the misdeed. Had the train stopped because of chain pulling, the driver could have re-started the train after it was attacked by the mob. In order to ensure that the train would not move even an inch further, the conspirators had deputed certain persons to cut the vacuum pipe. Consequently, the train could not move before the pipe was repaired.

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    another bundle of lies and untruth by a rss(rumour spreading society)man.

    all so called consipators are free barring few.remaining will also be freed.train was infested like rats by the gundaas of vhp and rss.(for short period my relatives also boarded same train).
    compartment was put on fire by them to provide rason for muslim mascare which was preplanned and used to happen yearly since 1969.

    u high caste hindus are so inferior in qualities that u cannot win election without inciting communal riot.

    U PASS UR LIFE IN EATING, ENTERTAIMENT SEX AND CHEATING.

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    Kalinga Putra Reply:

    “compartment was
    put on fire by them to provide rason for muslim mascare which was preplanned”
    OK, we will do that again & again. we will massacre you more & more. as you have tortured kashmiri pandits, get prepared for life in hell.

    bharathmaa... Reply:

    fellow , see the world
    muslims vs budhists in burma
    muslims vs christians all over world
    muslims vs hindus in india
    muslims vs christians in bangladesh
    where ever the **** it is ……. it is on its work of voilence

    Indian Reply:

    It is because all the religions u mentioned are declining in numbers and hence are afraid of the increasing numbers of the muslims!!

    Pradeep Mn Reply:

    The reason for declining numbers should be known first.

    TAJENDER Reply:

    . In the riots that followed 1000 people were killed of whom 300 were Hindus

    only muslim exceed 2500.hindus were not killed might have died in accident.

    another lie by rss propagandist.hate is their duty while lie is their staple food.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Might have died in accident’?

    WOW. The mask is off your face.

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    Kalinga Putra Reply:

    more than 7 lakh kashmiri pandits died or disappeared from 1990. till that much muslim dogs are not killed, more gujrat will happen.

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  • TAJENDER

    jai khosla,

    Why should a god have a wife? A man may enjoy with his wife for an hour or two. Even for this many need drugs and medicines to whip up their potentialities. But our Puranas say that our god had intercourse continuously for thousands of years. The Devas were witnessing this scene. They became afraid. They prayed to the god to stop. The god expressed his inability to stop. At last with great difficulty he stopped the intercourse. His semen gushed forth like a canal. The devas are said to have drunk Siva’s semen. Is it not so written in the Puranas? Is this the way to create a god? If the Brahmins had any respect for us and considered all of us as human beings, would they dare to record such absurd things in the Puranas? Are we devoid of common sense? No. He has the boldness to compel us to believe every thing he has written in the Puranas.
    Gods as murderers: God is described as the embodiment of love. But you find dreadful weapons in the hands of gods. Are gods murderers? Is there a single god that has not killed anyone? The Puranas are replete with umpteen instances to prove that gods killed so many. Are our gods butchers? How are we to be convinced of the statement that gods are kind?
    With all these baseless, senseless and idiotic puranas, they have succeeded in making our society static, reactionary and dumb. People have lost their sense of thinking.
    Hence no sensible man endowed with reason would consider it necessary to worship such gods or touch the feet of any Brahmin with veneration.
    WHAT IS GOD ?
    Let me not misunderstood. We are not asking you not to worship god. That is not our motive. Please keep this in your mind that we do not ask you not to worship god. What all we ask is to tell us what god is. We demand them to explain in unequivocal terms what they mean by god. We are not asking you to keep away from the worship of god. What is the meaning of calling anything and everything as god. If god is a lizard, a snake, a tree or anything, will it be wise? No, it will be sheer foolishness. How much of our time is wasted? How much of money you give, we are recognised as shudras only.
    There is no need to justify our cause. Just ten days have elapsed since we conducted the conference. Many thousands attended our conference. About 30 reporters attended the conference. Our resolutions were published in the newspapers. It spread all over India the very next day.
    I like to ask whether anyone came forward to oppose the resolution passed in the conference. Is there any news about it in any newspaper? No one is able to criticise our motives, why? Our work is genuine and our objective is noble. Who will accept that he is the illegal son of a prostitute?
    Amend constitution: We know that we cannot reach our goal by simply passing a resolution. No right could be secured as a gift. We will demonstrate our strength and claim for early solution.
    When we begin to agitate we know they will repress us. They will arrest in thousands. We must be prepared for all. We know the price we have to pay for our struggle. We must demonstrate that we could no longer remain the sons of prostitutes. We must demand the government to amend the Constitution suitably. If the government is not prepared to do so we will ask what relationship we have with the government. In whose government are we citizen? The next stage is to force the government to quit. Our rulers are thousands of miles away. We cannot understand their language. They cannot understand what we say. Their manners are different. Their civilisation is different. Their culture is different. (At this stage Periyar wailing with Amma, Amma. Bearing the terrible pain he continued the speech).
    Why should you be our rulers? What do we lose if you quit? We have our natural resources — mountains, rivers, seas, forests and all wealth. What are you helping us with? We want you to amend the constitution. If not “QUIT”. In what way our demand is unreasonable? We are not against the government. It is wrong to accuse us as traitors to the government. (to

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  • Jai Khosla

    Taj

    God does not a wife, does need a prophet, especially a pedophile prophet like Muhammad, nor does God need to be worshiped.

    Only idols like Allah Mian needs to be worshiped, needs a pedophile prophet,. Ifthis evil idol had any guts he would speak to all human kind at the same ime and give his message.

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  • Jai Khosla

    The evil idol Allah needs to be worshiped five times a day.
    The true God does not worship.

    The evil idol Allah commands Muslim to beat up their wives.
    The True God would never issue such vile commands.

    the evil idol all chose a pedophile named Muhammad to be his last prophet.
    The true God does need prophets to convey His message.

    The evil idol Allah demands that his devotees waste money on the hajj pilgrimage.
    The true God would never make such wasteful demands.

    The evil idol Allah demands the month long Ramzan farce.
    The true God would never make such foolish demands.

    The evil idol Allah allows slavery .
    the true God would never allow slavery.

    The evil idol Allah allows polygamy which is nothing but legalized adultery.
    The true God does not.

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    tajender Reply:

    ji, I understand your problem.

    You know you do not have the substance to refute me, you wish to withdraw but without losing your Hindu face. The question is how. It is inadmissible that Hindutva is Hindu fascism and it has instigated divisive forces in India. Chanakya niti denies the need for any morality in human affairs. This is in your Hindu upbringing.

    Your godesses also cannot uplift your character. Kali is presented as an ogre with blood dripping from the tongue. Thugees are followers of Kali.

    Hindus are always reading my writing and replying. So is it, sub-standard or magnetic ?

    Does it not show that what I write has substance and it pinches your Hindu soul ?

    jai, if Hindus have suffered, you must investigate their karma. Everything follows the law of karmic recompense. Punishment may be deferred to the next life often.

    However, if you transgress too much, Lord Vishnu might intervene in this life and you will face the consequences now.

    The Muslims and British had to come to clear the adharma created by the Brahmins with their caste system. The Rajputs were fighting between themselves when the Muslims came.

    Had the Muslims and Biritsh not come, you would not have the country today called India with capital in Delhi. So come to terms with the reality.
    jai, you are following Hindu adharma. Lord Vishnu is taking corrective measures. So either follow your religion correctly (as Dr. Naik often says), or convert.as i recommend to u.Avoid falling into the hands of the Hindutva, as then you will promote idolatry, casteism and communalism, which have taken their toll on India.

    The pressure of debate with Pandit antichaddhiwala takes a toll and even Brahmins become demented and lose track of what they are writing.

    You do not know much about Hindusim. I had to tell you about who is a swarna and a sudra. You did not read the Ramayana and know the story of Shambuga. You probably do not know that Vishnu will descend when there is adharma. So don’t be an ingrate.

    Learn to appreciate those who understand your religion.But I do see some improvement in the Hindus now. Vishnu is coming in new forms to correct the Hindus.
    jai,, I know what is HIndu dharma, but I would not say it is great. But I want to know whether you know what it is.

    Neither you nor any other Hindutva Hindu can write a decent paragraph about it. Quite a lot has been written on Hinduism – by me.

    Ambedkar notes that the Hindu is the only one in India who cannot explain what his beliefs are. You are the proof. How can you save Hindu dharma when you cannot define what it is ?

    So you are saying Hindus like to live on your fabrications of Islam ? Still, you are unable to say what is Hindu dharma.

    You copy something from a hate site, which is written in poor language by someone too eager to vilify by any means, and you add that Hindu dharma is different !

    If you do not know what is Hindu dharma, then you read my publications on it and learn.

    I said I am open to persuasion. My publications on Hindu dharma are on the net. Whenever you do a search, they will come up.

    I asked you to explain Hindu dharma since you seem to disagree with my interpretation. You boasted you could write hundred pages on dharma. I requested a paragraph. All you do is say that Hindu dharma is not the same as Islam.

    Can you not define Hindu dharma without Islam ? If you don’t know the answer, say so. Then respect those who know about Hinduism, like Naik, Ambedkar and me.

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    MKK Reply:

    Do you know what your name stands for, Tajender?

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    Shailendra Reply:

    I just read your post and had a good laugh. First off there is nothing in our religious literature or text called Hindu Dharma. No wonder you are not getting the right answer or definition the way you phrase it. Ask me the right question and I will furnish the answer from the authentic sources – the only warning is be prepared to read the original texts and do me a favor and don’t quote me interpretations from a western context.

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  • TheYoungHindu

    Dear Tej,

    U and ur religion will always be haunted because of your mindless fanaticism and penchant for converting people. Change for the good, be a human, ur own allah may not accept ur foolish fanatic ideology. Grow up babie.

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  • Tej

    So we have cultural zealots like BJP in India. Well said but what do we have in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Seria, Jordan, Turkey (98% singl religion again), Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia, in the state of J&K?

    This is what highlights the Islamic apologists hypocrisy. Take a good principle and apply it selectively. They just don’t get tired of using the same formula again and again.

    And Zia Haq also says, “marriage is a very personal matter”. Right Zia but then how much interference into this personal matter is done by Islam?

    Islam will be a happy place when Islamic hypocrisy ends.

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    Tej Reply:

    Read “done by Islam” as “prescribed by Quran”.

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  • AfterCorruption,Islam!

    >I wonder why Muslims alone should be shifting boundaries. What is the much-vaunted mainstream doing to spread its margins so that it integrates us, one would like to ask? The “mainstream” is not a one-way street. We reject Swamy’s demand to mainstream. We rather stand for integration with equality.

    Why you ask ? simply because you muslims are so far away from what is right and what is the truth… Let me explain in simple terms:

    1. According to non-muslims, “Prophet” is a person who lives and teaches by his/her own example exemplary human values – of love, forgiveness, equality, magnanimity. When we see someone living like that and making great personal sacrifice in his/her own life, we call them “Prophet”

    whereas muslims choose the most despicable character in the history of humanity as their prophet…. and you read his book and follow it… Thoughts create emotions and emotions give rise to actions…. more you read that book, more and more violent, evil and inhuman you become. You probably don’t even realize this and wonder why rest of the world is against you…

    This is the root cause of muslim’s plight. Not the rest of the world, but your own so called ‘prophet’ has laid the seeds of your persecution and eventual destruction – through his own life actons and throgh that evil book called Ku-r-an.

    2. Islam has a very heavy karma of thousands of years of violence and persecution. According to the law of action and reaction, there will be a reconing. Everything that Islam has done unto others will be done to it. The payback time is coming closer and closer. When the time comes, anyone who is in the ‘Islamc camp’ will have to pay… This is called ‘Karma’ … Like Kaoravas, most of them were destroyed, even ones like ‘Bhishma’ , ‘drona’ etc.

    Islam is becoming universally hated religion. Muslims are being persecuted all over the world.. and this is not injustice, its justice.

    So if you hold Muhammad as your prophet, and follow his evil book, you will pay… now and forever… until end of Islam comes, which is going to be soon.

    Prediction: Islam will be no more. Its time is coming very close. Before exploding like a cracker, it will appear to swell up and seem to spread all over the world, but then it will be caugh up in wars internal as well as external conflicts. and then it will be wiped out .. you will not find a single person who would be willing to call themselves a muslim.

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    P A Muraleedharan Nair Reply:

    this is to happen

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The time draws near

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    Indian Reply:

    I think u havnt read the life of Prophet Mohammad…..Just speaking nonsense….The book he taught us has logic rather than just stories and that has been proved by statements of various scientists….Let me also remind u I have been living among hindus and when i question their beliefs they dnt hv an answer….so first study your religion and try to find logic….and thn comment about islam….When muslims came to india u were already fighting among urselves…there was inequalities…People claim many converted to islam by force but if it would have been the case they would have converted back now…They converted to Islam bcoz of its equality and justice…..Read History before arguing…

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  • Shankar Gopalakrishnan

    I agree with you completely. There will be a lot of idiots and fascists accusing you of all kinds of things on this site, but the simple fact is that Swamy’s piece is a disgrace. The basic tenets of democracy require some reiteration in our country. What you have said is perfectly right.

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  • Anonymous

    fanatic moron

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  • Assertive Hindu

    Swamy is a great Indian and a great intellectual. I do not know anything about the author but he sounds like a typical Islamist. Every Muslim must understand that their prophet preached hatred and voilence, and practiced both while he lived, and left followers who have perpetuated crimes against humanity for 1,400 years. The Muslim record in India, as elsewhere, is horrible. Even Akbar, the best of the demonic lot, was a hateful and violent person against non-Muslims. Muslims need to take a good look in the mirror. Unfortunately, Indians are too politically correct so Muslims get away with the kind of stupid commentary such as by this writer, and are not forced to recognize and acknowledge what a horrible religion they follow. Muslims do not allow non Muslims in their majority countries to practice their religion, forcibly convert non Muslims, as they are doing in Pakistan, and then try to preach to a great religion and civilization, such as Hinduism. The reason you will not be objective is congnitive dissonance. Having been forced to convert from Hinduism, you have to justify your act of conversion.

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    shakil Reply:

    I will like to tell you just few points

    1) Firstly that prophet didn’t say to kill any innocent
    people or suppress any other community. If you give the example of war during
    the time of prophet then what about war during Mahabhart or Ramayana.

    2) 2nd point I would like to say that Muslims
    are no more minorities in India, around 17 to 18 % of Indian population is of Muslims
    (Around 20 corore) which itself is more thn the population of Pakistan or many
    Muslim countries. So you cannot do injustice with so large population or you
    cannt take way the right of voting as suggested my Mr Subramaniya.

    Also Muslim are also played important role
    in India development. Take example of APJ Abdul Kalam, Ajim Prem jee, Zaheer
    Khan, Moulana Abdul kalam (Founder of
    cipla industries), Zakir Hussain, Dr S. Y. Quraishi, former Chief
    Election Commissioner, Shahrukh Khan, Allah Rakha Rahman and list will
    go on…

    3)
    Nowhere
    in the world, were the minority treated equal. You have taken the name of
    countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia where the non Muslim population are
    very very less in compare with majority and most of them were not democratic
    countries. But our India is a democratic
    where everyone has equal right.

    4)
    Take a example of India only a) In 1984 Sikh
    were butchered like any thing b) 1992 In
    riot both Muslims and Hindus were
    killed, although number of Muslims were killed were far more than Hindu c) North
    Indian were bitten by MNS and siv Sainaik (Maratha people), some South Indian don’t
    like Hindi speaking people , dalit nd lower caste were exploited by upper
    caste, so the list will go on …. And at
    last if sit and think then you realize that its Human tendency to exploit
    minorities and weaker section of society.

    caste, so the list will go on …. And at
    last if sit and think then you realize that its Human tendency to exploit
    minorities and weaker section of society.

    3)
    Muslims
    are no more minorities in India, around 17 to 18 % of Indian population
    is of Muslims (Around 20 corore) which itself is more thn the population of
    Pakistan or many Muslim countries. So
    you cannot compare the condition of minorities of other country with Muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    oh then why do politicians categorize Muslims as minorities. They should then ideally do not deserve the benefits of the minorities right?

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    ashu Reply:

    Well, my friend, if u are a muslim, what makes u belive u r an alien to india. He simply asks muslims to acknowledge that they have deep rooted relationship with india first and than with the religion. so are you trying to say u decline to say that india is your mother country and religion came later.or u are saying what swami said?

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    Ali Reply:

    There was no India before 1947. Islam has been there since the beginning of mankind. Whtever ridiculous shit u people believe in doesn’t bother us. Ur s called ancient civilization of India was the hub of shamelessness, as evidenced by various temples around India, don’t blame us cause we don’t want to be a part of culture that practiced sex with donkeys. (Just look at the kujraho temples)

    suresh Reply:

    if killing is not mentioned then how come all the parsis were thrown out and killed in Iran and making it a complete Islamic country.why the population of Hindus came down to 7% which was more than 20% after partition.is there any Muslim dominated country which gives the minorities the freedom of religion?
    why not the intellectuals the right meaning of living harmonally.

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  • maharajtuyan

    muslim people have easy employment in “any terrorist organisation , smuggling counterfeit currency , drug peddling ,, and many other “nobel job “..bravo ..

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  • http://www.facebook.com/aadith.kadambi.aiyangaar Aadith Kadambi Aiyangaar

    The neo nazi comparison is puerile & lame!!
    You can’t choose to be white.It is not a choice.
    Hindutva or Hinduness unites everyone in India.Ways of worship or Upasana Paddhati, as Dr.Swamy would call it, is different and accepted by him & everyone else as well.
    No problems there,mate!
    The problem comes with Uncle toms & Arabised Muslims.This is happening primarily in south and south western india where local muslims are being asked to become more and more arab.Stop using words like Namaz because of their indo-iranian infidel origins & use ‘Salah’ instead.They are asked to
    Moreover Dr.Swamy sat on dharna for muslim,yes you read that right-Muslims.This was in a protest against the Hashimpura massacre.
    So much for hate.
    And the BJP is only half right wing.The other half of teh BJP is centre-right.Just like teh congress which is half left wing and half centre-left.
    There is nothing fanatic about talking of the civilisational heritage of our nation.Ours is a continuing evolving civilisation which is largely Hindu.
    I do not deny foreign iunfluences but look at what we did to them.We took kababs and made hara bhara kababs,which are veg.That is almost blaspheous for the people who came up with the kebab in the first place.I’ll tell you what is blashpemour, by definition, is the pork kebab.Again, an indian invention in pork eating parts of india.This mixing and moving on process, is a part of the larger hindu culture.Hinduism is NOT a religion.It is a treatise on values.You can pray to allah and be culturally hindu like most muslims already are.
    It is the ones in southern and south western india who are being fed a supremacist,even a neo-nazi kind of a mindset that you believe Dr.Swamy has, who are teh problem.They are being asked to forget everything Indian or south asian about themselves.They are asked to learn arabic and not the local languages including urdu, which is largely an indigenous indian language since it’s base is Khadi Boli.They are told that sufis are grave worshipping infidels,Shias are dirty, Qadyanis are the worst infidels and that they(naive young muslims) are the true muslims with their literalist interpretations of islam.
    What is religion if not interpretation??
    The UK is culturally christian, so is the US.We are culturally Hindu & this has nothign to do with religion.
    It is a treatise on values is Hinduism.Not a religion.You can be an atheist and be Hindu.In fact you can be an atheist and be an orthodox, practising Hindu.
    And Dr.Swamy doesn’t just have close Muslim relatives, he also has jewish, christian & Parsee relatives as well.Not to mention the fact that he sat on a fast for Muslim victims of the Hashimpura massacre.

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  • La Grenouille

    Dumb ways to die- fight about religion.

    Really people? You are having this argument in the 21st century!

    So many dumb ways to die.

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  • nationalist extremist

    the truth is muslims indeed have a hindu past so i dont understand whats wrong in accepting it , muslims r no outsiders they belong to a land that was once hindustan now its considered secular india, we r not asking them to reconvert to hinduism but want them to accept that they are converts then it might be for any reasons. the hard and truth fact is if they dont change their attitude they will remain of nowhere because arabian’s dont accept them(where most of them beleive they r from lol:)} and soon hindustan will leave them on their own crying. whats the harm in accepting the truth.

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  • Anonymous

    Problem with Muslims is that, if they are majority, they never allow minorities to stay. They either kill them or treat them as second hand citizens. But when they are minority. First they start to create problems and show the world that they are poor. Show me just one muslim country, which allow any minority to construct its own temple or even show their faith. Just name me one.. Why, people are silent.. My prediction, In name of secularism first these Muslim will create probelms and once they cross over 40% of population, They will convert this country to a hijab, shia law country.. They will kill people just like they did in kashmir… You should be secular, but not stupid. First I demand muslims to make their countries secular. Only after that ask for rights. They are already having more rights in India. U.S, world most secular country. Did they have different CIvil laws ? NO, only India, this prove India is sickular country.. I hate stupid politicians…

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    Indian Reply:

    Turkey, I named u one muslim populated country which allowes u to do so….and as far as secularism is considered India chose to be secular if it hadnt no muslim would have stayed here….the muslims stayed here because of the appeal of Mahatma Gandhi to Abul Kalam Azad….I am proud of India for its secular laws but at the same time I am ashamed of its politics…and now its too late to change it from a secular to hindu…

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  • http://themmindset.wordpress.com/ TheMindset

    people call u muslim because u r a muslim,
    what a question

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  • Prasoon Gupta

    basically we all want a Life of Peace & Prosperity.

    The Quality of Islam that everyone is claiming to be called secularism is
    Approval of Killing of Animals (oh its their culture let it be that way!! we are secular), Causing Riots (even small fights within muslim community have become riots causing harm to entire society..!! for this characteristic people call themselves Secular)
    Where as after 2002 when Hindus gave them tight slap for the Stupidness they have been told to perform in the name of religion, they have awakened and they have realized that they are Human Beings FIRST then muslim, they have Son at home who can do much better than just being Torch Bearer in a Riot every 5 years..

    The result is there are NO Riots in Gujrat..
    While How Muslims are behaving on Shab-e-Barat Night in the Capital, is a result of secularism.. this is exactly what Islam stands for..

    IF NOT, then WHY HAVEN’T TILL DATE ANY MUSLIM LEADER COME UP TO SAY, KILLING COW IS NOT BEING MUSLIM, KILLING HINDU IS NOT BEING MUSLIM.!

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  • Raghav

    Including my elder brother , around 6 lakh hindus live in saudi arabia , muslims’ holiest place , and they are living peacefully.. (have heard any attack on hindus in saudi ?)..,, but here in india , every muslim feels insecure by absurd or impolite comments from extremist like many people.. my brother doesnt like leaving saudi and he practising hinduism properly earning 12 lakhs a year… why cant indian people embrace muslims and together develop this nation………….. Why this hatred ? WHY ?

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    Atheist India Reply:

    Such a stupid argument. Did you know that after partition, about 22% of Pakistan’s population was still Hindu? Do you know what the figure is today? Less than 5%. Do you want to take a guess what happened to the remaining Hindus? Meanwhile the Islam population in India has only gone up since partition and there are Muslims who live well off if they are properly educated. If you actually used that little brain of yours for a change, you would see that almost all the major communal riots we’ve had in this country, the primary aggressors have been Muslim.

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  • Mohammad Idrees

    To me Swami is fooling Hindu’s.They become supporters of Hindutwa in order to launch them selves.

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  • AJ

    In all fairness, on the whole Muslims have avoided integrating into the mainstream. In fact, it was due to this very reason that the nation of Pakistan was created. The majority of India had to appease Jinnah in order to avoid Civil War.
    I do think that Swamy’s views are often extremist and sometimes even irrational, but he is right about the fact that the non-Muslims of India have always had to restrain themselves from voicing their opinions because of the all so prickly nature of their Muslim compatriots.
    I for one can freely talk to people of any community, but when it comes to Muslims, even when I mention Muslim (in any context), people ask me to shush fearing offending the community. This is because people fear the community. There is a general lack of trust of the community. And it is all very well saying that the majority are communal but sometimes one has to self-introspect rather than shamelessly blaming others for the failures of a community.

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  • Azad Manash Khan

    would like to know if any of the Indian holy books mention the word ‘HINDU’ my understanding is that this word was coined by the Arabs and Persians to describe the people of the Indus Valley nothing to do with one’s belief. It describes a nationality just like people living in Germany are called Germans. So India is populated with Sikhs , Muslims , Christians , Jews , Buddhists and …….. I rather instead of getting in this debate wish that all people would respect each other and accept them as they are do we really need more killings round the world ????

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