Bangladesh: The better case

Henry Kissinger, in 1971, dismissed Bangladesh as a nation blighted at its very birth by calling it an “international basket case”.

Kissinger’s “basket case” is now eyeing 8% growth (from 5.8% in the year ended June 30); has pioneered a unique loan model for the poor; is one of the few Muslim-majority nations to pocket the Nobel Prize and last year picked up an award for work on the UN’s Millennium Development Goals. Oops! Sorry about the long sentence. I’d rather blame the long list of laurels instead.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh need not heave a sigh at 25% of Bangladeshis being opposed to India, if the rest 75% offers hope.

Turkey is often the Muslim country the world cites as a possible model for others. Bangladesh is an unsung hero we have much to learn from.

There are many upsides that looked impossible 40 years ago. Bangladesh’s population is rising less slowly than it did; it has achieved almost universal gender parity in primary education and reduced under-5 mortality impressively, according to the UN.

Bangladesh was in 2005 named among 11 developing countries that Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said had the greatest potential for long-term economic success. In an April 2007 report, JP Morgan Chase & Co. named Bangladesh one of the “Frontier Five” markets.

Bangladesh’s garments export totalled $12.3 billion last year, making it fourth in the world. Gerry Weber International AG, Germany’s second-largest maker of women’s clothing, moved production from China to Bangladesh. In March, Florida-based women’s clothier Chico’s FAS Inc. permanently moved some of its sourcing to Bangladesh.

According to The Economist Intelligence Unit, inflows of remittances from Bangladeshis working overseas stood at US$4.5bn in the second half of 2008, representing an increase of 31.1% compared with the year-earlier period.

Bangladesh also ranked 130 among 139 countries for its network of roads, power and ports, according to the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Report 2010.

It’s unfortunate when the West lampoons Bangladesh as “bang-the-dish” and we in India think Bangladesh owes its existence to us.

There was a time when Bangladesh fed eastern India, with its fish and food. It was once the Golden Bengal, where Tagore and poet laureate Kazi Nazrul Islam were born. Then, people from undivided India would migrate to the more fertile and prosperous east Bengal.

The odds are stacked still. Bangladesh, which has seen three major coups and two-dozen violent uprisings since its birth, has had underpinnings by vendetta politics and radical Islam. But few countries have shown the resolve to confront terror and embrace plurality.

Last July, the Supreme Court overturned a 31-year-old constitutional amendment and restored Bangladesh’s founding status as a secular republic. This June, Bangladesh High Court demanded an explanation from the government the legal grounds of keeping Islam as the country’s state religion, amid demands to restore the secular character of 1972 constitution. The two-member bench from which the notice came was symbolic in its composition; it comprised judges Shamsuddin Chowdhury Manik and Gobinda Chandra Tagore, a minority Hindu.

Overall, Bangladesh is a place where remarkable progress has been made. But it is also a country where much progress remains to be made. This needs our appreciation and recognition. Far from being the basket case Kissinger made it out to be, Bangladesh is earnestly trying to emerge as the better case.

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Posted by Zia Haq on Sunday, July 10, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Filed under World · Tagged Bangladesh, Gerry Weber International AG, Gobinda Chandra Tagore, Goldman Sachs Group Inc, Henry Kissinger, Hindustan Times, international basket case, Kazi Nazrul Islam, Manmohan Singh, Muslim-majority nations, news, Nobel Prize winner, Shamsuddin Chowdhury Manik, They call me Muslim, Zia Haq

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Binoy Hegde

Bangla Desh is moving in the right track. Hopefully, it will follow its Asian cousins like Malaysia, Indonesia and not follow the footsteps of Pakistan!

They took the right step in banning Maudidi’s books; Pakistan’s downfall can be traced to his crazy ideas of integarted “caliphate”

However, I believe either they passed or are going to pass the renaming of the countr as “islamic republic of bangla desh”

The dangerous and divisive figures are lurching behind the progress. Hope they can withstand these and move in a postive track.

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ANIL

Want it or not Bangladesh and other countries in the neighborhood will be influenced by what happens in India.
A STRONG AND TRULY DEMOCRATIC (not the make believe one) India and not a pretend one have great scope to influence that.
If the Bangladeshi politicians can charter a course on their own, they can truly hijack the initiative from India and become the voice in the subcontinent. But that remains to be seen and depends on how they face the wrath of their own radicals like Jamati Islami and other groups.

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raman

We should fire Manmohan Singh..How dare he criticised Bangladesh – a Muslim majority nation, off the record?

As Manish Tiwari (Cong. spokesperson) said once, Secular does not mean how you treat majority, but the minority people.

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Raj

This is amazing piece of journalism.
With one stroke this “journalist” has swept under the carpet the genocide of Hindus in the Bangladesh and infiltration of islamic terrorists into west bengal and assam.
No wonder you muslims are never trustworthy. Weherever you are born and bred your allegiance is always to your religion and its followers ONLY.

No wonder EVERYONE CALLS YOU A MUSLIM..

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Gautam Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:21 am
A very bigoted remark indeed !! By the way, who do you owe your allegiance to? I am a hindu and I deplore the treatment meted out to minorities in our own country. Look, the point is, Hatred begets hatred; there have been atrocities by both communities, and in my opinion religion has nothing to do with it, its all because of illiteracy and dirty politics. Whats your solution?, Remember ‘If you are not a part of solution, you’re a problem yourself”. In all honesty, what difference do you think your remark has made to the situation?

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wasim Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
@Raj
YOU ARE AN IDIOT…I hope you know that ….you are a dog who barks just looking work MUSLIM..
YOU have posted unrequired post showing your unworthyness…you show how one can misuse there FREEDOM OF SPEECH(WRITE)..

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tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 2:20 am
wasim hate is their duty and lie is staple food.pass their life in eating entertainment,sex and cheating.

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Mitra

Good article! Bangladesh is doing better in terms of gender equity than India- though Hindu nationalists invariably associate Islam with the degradation of women. Discrimination against women is far worse in the “Hindi heartland” or the “cow belt” than in the East or South of India or in Bangladesh. The role played by NGO’s in Bangladesh in the women’s movement is impressive. Bangladesh has only half the per-capita income of India, but it is making impressive progress in many ways.

However, there is nothing wrong in noting India’s role in creating Bangladesh as a nation – many Bangladeshis discount that role which is not a good thing. Of course, Bangladeshis fought heroically for their independence and sacrificed a tremendous amount, but without India’s help, it is more likely than not that Pakistan would have succeeded in crushing the Bangladeshi liberation movement, particularly given the kind of brutalities they were prepared to engage in. Pakistanis complain about Kashmir- but they killed more civilians in the opening weeks of the Bangladesh conflict than died in the last two decades of the Kashmir conflict. (I am not justifying the killing of civilians in Kashmir or anywhere else).

This is one of the most under-emphasized genocides of the world. America doesn’t want to highlight it because they played a despicable role during this time by supporting Pakistan. This was also (at least partly) a genocide against Hindus – a disproportionate number of Hindus were killed, because they were specifically targeted by the Pakistani Army. India’s secular government is not interested in promoting Hindu victimhood (that would only help the BJP), so they don’t talk about it either. But this was among the most horrible/severe genocides in the 2nd half of the 20th century carried out by the Pakistani Army with the support of the Pakistani people. To this date, I have seen very few Pakistanis express regret for what happened – except for a handful of hardcore liberals like Dr Pervez Hoodobhoy.

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tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 9:20 am
mitra u are right that hindus were targeted during liberation struggle by pak army.this is because india was behind the uprising and they were traininng mukti bahinand other groups asking for division of pakistan.i

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Ravi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Mr Mitra

I very much enjoyed reading your post.

I think that plight of Hindus in Pakistan and India should ALLWAYS be our concern and we should put aside our party political squabbles and address this issue as Indians.

However, I would like you to consider the following:

Most of the Hindus that were left in Pakistan and Bangladesh were extremely poor and therefore powerless. That could be one of the reasons as to why NO one took any interest in their plight.

Other attempts at Ethnic Cleansing that have taken place over the last 75 years, such as the attempt at extermination of Jews in Germany, The expulsion of Bosniaks from Bsonia Herzegovina, The expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo, etc were world news, but attempts by Pakistan to exterminate Hindus from Pakistan hardly makes news in India, let alone the world.

My hunch is that this has as much to do with poverty as it has with as religion.

Lets not forget killing of ALL people is wrong – not just Hindus. However, that should not be taken as “we should not protest to and ask for accountability from those on whose watch Hindus have become the victims of ethnic cleansing.

What are your views of female foeticide. Which is cleansing based upon sex.

Ronay waalon se kaho unka bhi rona ro lein
Jinko tang-i-hallat ne roney na diya.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Pakistan continues to clean. now with the goondas no more under govt control- as the killing of tee christian minister recenly,a nd the countless killings of Ahmadiyas (and even Shias) and of course the paltry non-muslims

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tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
dont worry american imperialists are leaving things will be normal.when there was no america ,there was no voilence.non state players are supported by worls powers.ahmadiyas are attacked sometimes,as they are suspected of spying for americans.with exit of imperialists things will be calm.war is political not religious.

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
ravi i miss u for ur emotional poetry,

kabhi kisi ko muqqamal jahan nahi milta
kisi ko jameen to kisi ko asman nahi milta.
zubaan mili hai par humzubaan nahin milta.
bujha saka ha ibhala kaun waqt ke sholey,
yeh aisee aag hai jisme dhuaan nahin milta.

ravi bhai in last blog there was letter of advani daughter in law to nanavati commission.can u gift this shenoy from my side.

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Ravi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Tajendar

Wah Wah.

Raungatay kharde kar diay aapki adaygi ne.

Funny Side Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
In the late 60s or the early 70s, there were neither so many newspapers nor tv channels. In fact there was no tv in India or in B’desh. And mass media plays a very big role which cannot be under-stated in higlighting communal riots / ethnic cleansing any where in the world. Killing of the innocents by any community / nation / country should never be allowed to occurr / pass by. It is the responsibility of all right-thinking people to somehow stop / protest / such bloodshed and help bring justice to the wronged people.
Bangladesh has almost as many universities per million population as India
India 8,407
B’desh 1,268
Number of Secondary school students
India with 89,461,794 in secondary school (43% female students)
Bangladesh with 10,354,760 in secondary school (50% female students)
Source: UNESCO (2007)

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tajender

mr raj and mitra,hameedurehman commission has put death toll during liberation or sepration as 20-30000.figure of 3million was fabricated as mass grave or any other proof was never found.total life of army action was 9 months in which for 6 moths pak soldiers were on run hiding here and there for their life.

recently one bangladesh advocate requested goverment through supreme court to furnish the list of 3million persons.he was sent to jail.TUM WO BAAT KYON POOCHTE HO JO BATANE KE QABIL NAHEE HAI.remillance from bangladeshees is 14.5 billion not 4.5.

brhmns sucked every drop of blood of east bengalees,specially muslims and converted them into
walking skeletons.after partition and specially after sepration situation is reversed.now they are
better than general people of west bengal,who are suffering under brhmnsm.

even qazi nazrul islam was starved to almost death by brhmncl congress regime.he survived on 300 rs per month stipened from then east pakistan.

bangladesh will do betterif follow turkish path,but islamist are very powerful and bengalees are practising muslims,so path is not easy.

life of haseena wajid is in danger i hope she will not have the same end as of his father.

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Raj Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 9:28 am
I agree with Zia, for once – economic progress should be the focus of all countries. Though I am rather aggrieved that Zia’s blog posts always have some form of religious overtone – probably something he wants to project or be known for, perhaps – but Zia’s half right, economic progress and not religious overtones should take precedence (Turkey is hardly a model, do note, hardly any major muslim country is a model state on economic or social achievements, I think that the EU, world second largest economic block, has rejected it’s membership application). Perhaps, if the Turks were to join the EU, then, I would agree with Zia for some form of Islamic role model for other muslim states.

Numbers don’t suggest a Turkish success story, mind you. If they were EU members, numbers can back them up in that regard.

Then again, isn’t Bangladesh secular too? It’s a democratic state not a muslim state. Zia, really dude, why does this Hindu/muslim always *need* to pop up? Even in economics!

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Ravi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Raj

I think the clue is in the title “They call me Muslim”.

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Raj Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Well… surely, there will be a time where he may have been called a human being? I have my reservations over the claim of his ‘liberalism’ to be honest. Deep down inside, he’s probably Islam-centric or something.

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
turkey is not allowed in eu because it is muslim country.example of white rascism.though turkey is industrially developed country.

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Raj Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Not really, it is a developing country – no muslim country is developed so far. It’s GDP, in terms of PPP is 1 trillion (India being 4, nearly 5 by next year) and it’s GDP is about 6-700 billion (Indian being 1.7 and 2 by the next two years). Per capita basis, they are at 10K, given their population is about 70 million (about 1/10th of India’s size). So, if you use mathematical analysis, you’d realise that their economic state per person-basis is about the same as India.

By logic, even if one looks at the definition of a muslim role model, by sheer logic, India should be leading the charts over Turkey, at least in the top 3 countries for muslims, given the number of muslims in the country. Logically, India should be the automatic choice for muslim interests along with SA, UAE, Indonesia (due to it’s recent boom and it’s size).

What the hell is Turkey?! 10K per capita… 7 hundred billion nominal… what role model is Mr. Zia talking about? All they do is organize all kinds of muslim-muslim bhai bhai consortium and then project their ‘leadership’ image!

To be honest, I consider Indonesia, or Malaysia for that matter, better ‘muslim’ role models. Very mellow and moderate developing countries. Not quite ‘role model’ material, but they’re way ahead of Turkey – which has some rather strange ‘Islam’ centric policies. If you want to see how a good muslim majority lives with it’s minority – Indonesia-Bali is a great example, and it’s also a member of the G-20 with a significant population.

Not Turkey – I don’t know the fascination of most South Asian muslims – it’s probably their skin colour or something maybe – given our fascination with fair skins, no matter the religion, it makes sense why comparative analysis would find a muslim Turkey to be a ‘better’ analytical comparative over a ‘darker’ but ‘better’ Indonesia/Malaysia…

I mean let’s face it, when numbers matter, even India is better off than Turkey!

shan Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
@raj you are wrong. it is not skin colour.TURKEY IS 50% IN EUROPEAND IS EUROPEAN IN OUTLOOK.aspiration , charcater. The rest 50% in villages is pakistan by the bosphorus.

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
raj most of european countries are now financialy bankcrupt.attack on libya was because of that.condition of east european block like romania and bulgaria were far worse than turkey.money is more evenly divided.there is no starvation deaths.jewish euro NE INKE TABOOT MEIN AKHRI KEEL TONKH DEE.
as i wrote before and say again it is because of christian white supermascism that turkey is barred.

tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 3:09 am
What the hell is Turkey?! 10K per capita

RAJ,it is 8 times of india which is 1200 dollars.
The tourism sector has experienced rapid growth in the last twenty years, and constitutes an important part of the economy. In 2008 there were 31 million visitors to the country, who contributed $22 billion to Turkey’s revenues.[98] Other key sectors of the Turkish economy are banking, construction, home appliances, electronics, textiles, oil refining, petrochemical products, food, mining, iron and steel, machine industry and automotive. Turkey has a large and growing automotive industry, which produced 1,147,110 motor vehicles in 2008, ranking as the 6th largest producer in Europe (behind the United Kingdom and above Italy) and the 15th largest producer in the world.[99][100] Turkey is also one of the leading shipbuilding nations; in 2007 the country ranked 4th in the world (behind China, South Korea and Japan) in terms of the number of ordered ships, and also 4th in the world (behind Italy, USA and Canada) in terms of the number of ordered mega yachts

they manufacture f-16 and very reliable helicopters who has cutomers all over world.

Turkish brands like BEKO and Vestel are among the largest producers of consumer electronics and home appliances in Europe.

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:21 am
@ Tejender

Simple mathematics, round off and if the Indian population is about 90% bigger in comparison, living standards – at the rate of growth are similar.

Simple maths and some knowledge of economics – I can prove it, in a professional and scholarly manner why India is a better example for muslims (as stakeholders in the country) than Turkey.

Just numbers – I am sorry, but India is just better. Facts speak for themselves, lower per capita due to larger numbers and vague economic size and growth potential puts India and even Indonesia at a higher platform.

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Oh yeah,

Turkey is *NOT* European in outlook – their population is *EURASIAN*, they are central Asian, this is scientific fact – that means, when it all started, they spoke *INDO EUROPEAN*. So, if you go by that standard, even India is ‘European’ due to the migration theory.

These people are as Islamic as the others – worse still, they’re history reflects one of tyranny. How are they role models after the so-called Armenian genocide? And Turks won’t even admit it. It is minimal influence today outside the muslim world.

As I said, it’s all about skin colour, South Asians are infatuated by it. Though I might add that an average Haryana or West UP/Punjab woman, if kept away from sunlight and tan, is probably just as ‘fair’.

tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
How are they role models after the so-called Armenian genocide? And Turks won’t even admit it

mascare of armenian was zoinist act.they were the first christians had lot of score to settle.

tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
These people are as Islamic as the others
they are islamic i feel so what.it means eu is gang of barbaric christians.though i feel they should not to be part of beggars.

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Yes, but that doesn’t mean they become role models – Turkey is simply *not* role model material. Maybe the Koreans (South) are, or Japan or, say, Taiwan or Singapore – maybe. But Turkey? Give me a break – that makes no economic sense at *all*. Why not Malaysia? Or Indonesia? Or wait, they aren’t fair enough maybe.

abhinav Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
tejender the last sentence looks more like a threat rather than a warning. BTW we all know that you are not tejender than why keeping this username?

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Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Breaking news-
Mumbai has been rocked by bomb blasts on the birth of Ajmal Kasab. Peaceful Islam back in action-
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/twin-blasts-in-mumbai-15-injured/167291-3.html

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
supporters o col purohit in action.

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:16 am
Tajender,
According to american agencies Samjhauta was work of LeT. Indian agencies are just following congress’s vote bank politics.

tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:54 am
even after aseemanand confession.americans are biggest liars.boms are planted by those who compete for political power.now sangh is losing power and support over indian mind and heart.they are being exposed as well.
now india is becoming colony of american corporates they want pace and their values.that is why modi is chased so much.from 69 to2002 they perpetuated 33 riots ,maree maree dhool udani.who cares rss is also included in list of terrorist organization.

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:56 am
You should know that Safdar Nagori gave identical confession in same case.

Americans smoked out Osama in your pakistan and that is proof enough that they are more reliable source.

tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
pls name the agency.may be they are run by perpetuators.in 26/11 cia was involve headley was their man,

Gopi Thomas Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
lets wait before putting blame

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Gopi,
Want to bet..This is work of muslim orgs… Even Samjhauta and Malegaon was their work. The terrorists involved in 26/11 tried to disguise themselves as hindus by wearing Kalava. This proves that muslim terrorists are trying to implicate hindus for the blasts and all the violence. Even congress knows this but is stuck in Batala house kind of pro-terror appeasement politics. Its only aim is to get all the muslim votes in its kitty so that it can rule India for eternity.
Moazzem

Thanks for a good and informative article about Bangladesh. ‘Basket Case’ was Kissinger’s thought as America was helping Pakistan to fight against Bangladesh. India was only friend during Liberation War. I am from Bangladesh and I believe in strong tie in between India and Bangladesh in every developing prospect in this South Asian region.

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Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Moazzem,

India and Bangladesh should be close friends. I think with trade, the countries can prosper.

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Ashish

Tagore was born in Jorasanko, in the heart of Calcutta and Nazrul was born in Burdwan..

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Ravi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Ashish

But which of the two is a better poet?

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Ashish Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Undoubtedly Tagore, by miles and miles.. don’t even ask.

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Ravi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
nazrul was revolutionary poet.tagore wrote jana gana mana to welcome king george 5th.

Ravi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Tajendar

That is grossly unfair.

Tagore is hugely more than just his poetry.

He is a philospher as well.

shan Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
@ravi , you are absolutely right , tagore’s poetry is philosophy , nazrul is more hectoring tone “I vow to thou my country ” sort . But nazrul ’s poetry is also full of cadence and his songs with his own composition are wonderful.Nazrul married a hindu lady?uma dasgupta, named his son hindu names Sabyasachi, Aniruddha. He was a towering figure amongst his cntemporaries in the music scene and much loved AND HAD MASSIVE CHELA FOLLOWING, ALL HINDUS.

Ashish Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@Tajender,
Ravi’s question was like asking who was a better novelist- Gorky or Tolstoy?
I can quote Nazrul chapter and verse- his collected works adorn my bedroom shelf- I doubt you have read much of him or of Tagore. Anyways, leave it… I dunno why I even bother…

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tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
ravi and ashish,

no doubt ,ravinder nath tagore was great poet and philosopher.song written by him is national anthem of bangladesh.but nazrul was great revolutionary poet.he was poisoned by britishers while in jail.
both had different path for future of india.when ghandhi met tagore,he said we agree to disagree on freedom struggle of india.as aliterary figure,no doubt he was one of greatest
india has ever produced.

Balwinder Sandhu Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
How many people here know that Tagore, while respecting Mahatma Gandhi, did have some differences with him as regards the struggle for independence. They shared a very robust correspondence, with most of the robust language coming from Tagore.
It is covered in the seminal book on Patel, called Sardar Patel, the Bismarck of India. Indian giants then, compared with the pygmies around today. And pluralistic debate then, compared with the raucous shouting in Parliament now

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
very right.

Raj Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
You’re right Balwinder, most of the comparatives today are half the policy makers/public workers of the baby boomers.

Rajeev Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Shan,
Are you serious about living in Bangladesh? Please explain why?

shan Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@rajeev , that was a rhetorical expression, I am fine where I am now.

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
ashish i can not challenge ur knowledge on both.u are bengalee.u are also very balance and fair so i take ur opinion as correct.

shan Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Tejender , something to make you feel SAD. nazrul wrote SHYAMA SANGEET, that is songs dedicated to maa kali.

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Tejender , something to make you feel SAD. nazrul wrote SHYAMA SANGEET, that is songs dedicated to maa kali.

SHAN,what is to be sad in it.as i know kaali too was revolutionary.she is not imaginary carricature like durga.she was challenging central authrity of india.he must have praised her BEING REVOLUTIONARY like him.

yes but i am sad the way he was treated by brhmnst congress goverment of west bengal.he was the property of india must have died iin burdwan not in dhaka.

Raj Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
By merit – Tagore, a nobel laureate.

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tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
noble prize was not given to mahatama ghandhi.tagore supported british rule in india.

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Raj Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Yeah, but didn’t the committee release a PR that they regretted their decision (a couple of times, where they short listed him). They symbolically gave it to the Dalai Lama instead. At least, a mistake was acknowledged, no?

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
dalai lama is their agent.noble prize to mahatama was not given because of his stand on palestine.if u want this award u have to speak their language.it was not given to tolstoy as well.
that is why jean paul sartre refused to take this.

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Dude,

I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories of masonry et al.

So, you agree? That if general facts are taken into account, Tagore is better because he was recognized?

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Bhaskar

A small elite still rules Bangladesh and holds all the power. The vast majority have little hope for upward mobility. Macro figures and Investment bank reports hide more than it reveals. I live in the Middle East in a country that has nearly 350,000 Bangladeshis mostly blue collar workers. I know many of them. They have little hope that their chidren and family can move upwards in society by the usual means, education, jobs etc. The population growth may have slowed down on paper, but it has already EXPLODED and the country has an intolerable population density.
Everyone that I talk to here, has family and relatives living in Calcutta (mostly). Go to Freeschool street and you will see that it has already been concerted to Dhaka. Go to the border areas of Bengal and you will see that the skyline has changed and the mike blaring off announces this to the whole world. Go to Bombay and you see them in all places, from eateries to mobile Chinese food stalls, domestic labour and prostitution. Bangladesh would probably be better in the long run, but, as Lord Keynes said, in the long run we are all dead. We will not live to see this.

By the way, Bangladeshis love to claim that Tagore was born in erstwhile East Bengal. Most Untrue. He was born in Jorashanko, Kolkata. The Tagores were zamindars in Shilaidaho, so he used to go there from time to time.

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shan

Bangladeshis wanted independence WHY, not to ban pork, or enforce Burqua , BUT TO SPEAK A LANGUAGE CALLED BANGLA.Anyone who reads the tomes of wisdom and literature is BOUND TO BE LIBERAL.Therefore bangladeshis must have been INFLUENCED BY THE STAUNCHLY SECULAR CHARCTER of west bengal polity and POLITICS(ONLY STATE IN INDIA SPARED OF CASTE TRIBALISM IN VOTING). But I wouldn’t count your chickens yet. Same bangladeshis SYSTEMATICALLY ANNIHILATED THE BUDDHIST CHAKMA, who fled to manipur , tripura etc.HINDUS IN BANGLADESH LIVE LIKE THE JEWS IN THIRD REICH.It is a fact HEARD FROM THE HINDUS OF SYLHET IN EAST LONDON. Lots of hindu temles are destroyed with recurring regularity , police not merely indifferent but active provocatuer
25%of 12 crore is THREE CRORES, that is hell of a lot off of ANTI INDIAN GADDARS TO CONTEND WITH.Though we all know of a certain author called TASLEEMA NASREEN and what happened to her.Given the choice i wouldn’t like to raise a family or settle in bangladesh , FOR THEIR IS CONSTANT FEAR OF THE RABID ISLAM, NEXT DOOR.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Shan,
The hindus were close to 16.5% in 1980-1990 and now they have been reduced to 8.5%. The properties of many hindus were confiscated using pakistan era ‘enemy property act’ by Awami league (even under mujbir rahman) and BNP.

Bangladesh owes its existence to Bangladeshi hindus who played pivotal role in its liberation and sacrificed more than a million hindus.

The only silver lining in BD is that there exists a secular society headed by liberal muslims who speak up for the minorities. I read Bangladeshi newspapers and have found that it is common practice for muslim ministers/leaders to attend hindu festivals which is unthinkable in pakistan.

Despite all its negative aspects, Bangladesh is much better when compared to other muslim countries.

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tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
ministers/leaders to attend hindu festivals which is unthinkable in pakistan

rajeev bengalees usually leave bangladesh because of better job and bussines prospect
in west bengalwest is mostly ruled by refugees from east.

mother of sheikh mujeeb was hindu by birth ,bulaku rani.most of colleges dedicated to carry her preconversion name.

pakistan also situation that is not bad.sikh heritages are kept in better shape and helped by goverment very genrously.even in this crises no mass scale exodus of minorities is noticed.

[Reply]
farid Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
–mother of MUJIB Hindu–is not a fact—
–Reactionary–Islamic-groups propagate such lies–in Bangladesh.
–you acquired a reactionary pill—

tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
LY ANNIHILATED THE BUDDHIST CHAKMA

chakmas. sided with pakistan during war of seprations.

[Reply]
Ziauddin Shafi

Dear Zia, for your info:
Despite shortcomings, Muslims Most Civilised in the World – 21
Hindus vis-à-vis Muslims
* As many as 25 countries have literacy rates more than that of India . …..Again 26 Muslim countries have higher life expectancy than that of India . With India having a very high female foeticide rate, the life expectancy in India, if calculated at the time of conception, will see India slipping far behind most of the Muslim countries……as many as 28 Muslim countries have higher per capita income than that of India., the number of Muslims killed in riots has been three times the number of Hindus Killed.*
Dr Javed Jamil*
The purpose of the comparisons between Muslims and other religious communities is not to show other communities in poor light but to answer the propaganda that out of all communities, Muslims are least civilised. In the last chapter, we saw a comparison between Christians and Muslims. All the indicators point out that the Christian world in general, despite the dominance of West in the world game of power, has extremely high crime rate, low-level of family stability, and a very high involvement in social vices. Except Western countries, most of the Christian countries are extremely poor with very low level of life expectancy and literacy. Some Hindus, out of their historical hatred for Muslims, try to prove that Muslims are backward, violence-prone, and project Arab countries as “centres of nomadic life”. The present chapter will try to deal with these questions.
At the very outset however, I will like to say that as Indian, I have deep respect for the cultural diversity of the country and tolerance, which is better than many “advanced” countries, its belief in family being the pivot of social organisation and its huge talents. Whatever the positives and negatives of India , both Hindus and Muslims share them. Azeem Premji has made possible India’s giant leap unto the Computer world, Abdul Kalam is widely known for guiding India to become a Nuclear Power and develop an advanced Missile Technology, Maqbool Fida Hussein introduced India to the International arena of Arts, Dr Syed Zahur Qasim led the Mission of Antarctica and a large number of Muslims dominate the Indian Film and Music Industry. But Hindus being in a clear majority, the performance of the country largely reflects the behaviour and psyche of Hindus. There are only two countries in the world with majority Hindu population, the other being Nepal , but India with its huge population has been able to make a clear mark on the world map. In recent years, it is being tipped to become of the major economies of the world. However, as will be seen below, India as a country has failed to give its citizens any real benefit on account of its economic growth.
Let us compare India with the Muslim world in terms of literacy rate, life expectancy, per capita income and crime rates.
Literacy Rate
India’s Rank: 134
Muslim countries with better ranks:
11 11 Kazakhstan 99.6
12 11 Tajikistan 99.6
13 13 Azerbaijan 99.5
14 13 Turkmenistan 99.5
17 17 Kyrgyzstan 99.3
62 62 Uzbekistan 96.9 [j]
63 63 Bosnia and Herzegovina 96.7
71 71 Brunei Darussalam 94.9
76 76 Kuwait 94.5
82 82 Palestinian Authority 93.3 [p]
83 83 Qatar 93.1
87 87 Indonesia 92.0
88 88 Malaysia 91.9
91 91 Jordan 91.1
97 97 United Arab Emirates 90.0 [l]
101 100 Lebanon 89.6 [j]
103 103 Bahrain 88.8
104 104 Turkey 88.7
112 112 Libya 86.8 [l]
115 115 Saudi Arabia 85.0
118 118 Syria 83.1
120 120 Iran 82.3
123 123 Oman 81.4
127 1 27 Tunisia 77.7
131 131 Algeria 75.4
Source: UNESCO Table of Literacy Rate

As many as 25 countries have literacy rates more than that of India . The only countries that have rates below are Nigeria , Pakistan , Bangladesh , Sudan , Egypt , Yemen and Morocco .
See now the Table of Life expectancies of Muslim countries that have better life expectancy at birth than India, which is ranked 138th:
33 United Arab Emirates
78.7 77.2 81.5
41 Kuwait
77.6 76.0 79.9
53 Oman
75.6 74.2 77.5
54 Bahrain
75.6 74.3 77.5
55 Qatar
75.6 75.2 76.4
62 Bosnia and Herzegovina
74.9 72.2 77.4
69 Syria
74.1 72.3 76.1
71 Serbia
74.0 71.7 76.3
72 Libya
74.0 71.7 76.9
73 Tunisia (10% above world average)
73.9 71.9 76.0
77 Palestinian territories
73.4 71.8 75.0
86 Saudi Arabia
72.8[2]
70.9 75.3
89 Jordan
72.5 70.8 74.5
95 Lebanon
72.0 69.9 74.2
98 Turkey
71.8 69.4 74.3
106 Egypt
71.3 69.1 73.6
107 Morocco
71.2 69.0 73.4
109 Iran
71.0 69.4 72.6
110 Indonesia
70.7 68.7 72.7
122 Maldives
68.5 67.6 69.5
124 Azerbaijan
67.5 63.8 71.2
126 Uzbekistan (world average)
67.2 64.0 70.4
127 Kazakhstan
67.0 61.6 72.4
130 Tajikistan
66.7 64.1 69.4
132 Kyrgyzstan
65.9 62.0 69.9
136 Pakistan
65.5 65.2 65.8
(Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and other sources)

Again 26 Muslim countries have higher life expectancy than that of India . With India having a very high female foeticide rate, the life expectancy in India , if calculated at the time of conception, will see India slipping far behind most of the Muslim countries.
Countries with Most Universities
1. India 8,407
2.
United States

5,758
3.
Argentina

1,705
4.
Spain

1,415
5.
Mexico

1,341
6. Bangladesh

1,268
7. Indonesia

1,236
8. Japan

1,223
9. France

1,062
10. China

1,054
▼

http://www.aneki.com/universities.html
The educational rise of India is certainly commendable but it can be seen that Bangladesh has almost as many universities per million population as India , and Indonesia is a little ahead.
Countries with Most Number of Secondary Students – Top 10 List
1. China with 100,631,925 in secondary school (48% female students)
2. India with 89,461,794 in secondary school (43% female students)
3. Brazil with 25,127,503 in secondary school (52% female students)
4. The United States with 24,431,934 in secondary school (49% female students)
5. Indonesia with 15,993,187 in secondary school (49% female students)
6. Russia with 12,433,155 in secondary school (49% female students)
7. Mexico with 10,564,404 in secondary school (51% female students)
8. Bangladesh with 10,354,760 in secondary school (50% female students)
9. Iran with 9,942,201 in secondary school (50% female students)
10. Vietnam with 9,939,319 in secondary school (49% female students)
Source: UNESCO (2007)
It can again be seen that the number of secondary school students per 1000 population is very good in at least 4 Muslim countries, with Iran showing maximum percentage. It is also not without significance that the percentage of girl students in the above listed Muslim countries is almost half and better than India .
It is also often argued that there are hardly any Nobel Laureates from the Muslim world. First of all, it is well known that Nobel Prize is an institution established by the West to honour its supporters and is becoming increasingly politicized. It does also not reflect a direct relationship with development or civilization of a country. China with its huge successes could win only two Nobel prizes that too for Peace, with both being the opponents of Chinese Establishment. India as a country has won 7 Nobel Prizes. 3 out of these have been won by persons who were no more Indian citizens. Hindus as community have won 6 prizes. Muslim countries have won 13 prizes, and Muslims have won 9. 2of them are in the fields of Sciences.
Per Capita income 138

1. Qatar 76,168 2. United Arab Emirates 59,717 3. Kuwait 36,412 4. Brunei 31,239 5. Bahrain 20,475 6. Oman 18,657 7. Saudi Arabia 16,996 8. Libya 11,314 9. Turkey 10,399 10. Lebanon 10,044 11. Kazakhstan 8,883 12. Malaysia 8,423 13. Azerbaijan 6,008 14. Maldives 5,841 15. Iran 4,741 16. Jordan 4,500 17. Bosnia and Herzegovina 4,319 74.9 18/ Tunisia 4,200 19. Turkmenistan 3,939 20. Morocco 3,249 21. Indonesia 3,015 22. Syria 2,877 23. Egypt 2,789 24. Iraq 2,564 25. Sudan 1,705 26. Nigeria 1,389 27. Uzbekistan 1,380 28. Yemen 1,282 (Source: World Bank (2009)[2] CIA World Factbook As many as 28 Muslim countries have higher per Crimes and Suicides
It can be seen from the statistics in the previous 75.6 93.1
78.7 90.0
77.6 94.5
77.1 94.9
75.6 88.8
75.6 81.4
72.8 85.0
74 86.8
71.8 88.7
72 89.6
67 99.6
74.2 91.9
67.5 99.5
68.5 97.0
71 82.3
72.5 91.1
96.7
73.9 77.7
63.2 99.5
71.2 55.6
70.7 92.0
74.1 83.1
71.3 66.4
59.5 82.3
58.6 60.9
46.9 72.0
67.2 96.9
62.7 58.9
(2000-2010)[3]
capita income than that of India . In top 5 ranking countries, there are 2 Muslim, both Arab countries, Qatar and UAE whose per capita income is more than the big economies like US, Australia, UK, France and Germany. There are 8 Muslim countries in the top 50 list. These include Saudi Arabia and Libya. Except Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan , Tajikistan , Bangladesh and Afghanistan , all Muslim countries have over capita income more than India , which is largely regarded as one of the emerging economic powers of the world. Most of the major Muslim countries including Iran , Turkey , Indonesia , Malaysia , Saudi Arabia , Egypt , Lebanon , Kuwait , Syria and Libya have good per capita incomes.
chapters that though India is not as much crime prone as several Western countries, its crime rate is certainly on the higher side if compared to Muslim countries. Furthermore, India is a country where female foeticide has already assumed monstrous proportions. This is mainly due to the cultural traditions of Hindus where girls are seen as a burden on the parents. The situation has already become so threatening that the ration between females and males in certain states has come below 700 to 1000.

Suicides too are common in Indian Hindus though again not as common as in the West. Suicide rates in Muslim countries isalmost negligible except in former Soviet states where low level of religiosity has also resulted in relatively higher rates of suicides.

Communal Violence

Like West, some Hindutva organizations are bust in spreading hatred of worst kinds against Muslims. The atmosphere in general remains cool in India in terms of communal situation with Muslims and Hindus living peacefully. But certain forces keep on inciting communal hatred which has recurrently resulted into communal riots.

The history tells the facts otherwise. Since Independence , which resulted in Hindus having gained dominance in Indian polity, it is Muslims who have suffered worst kinds of violence at the hands of Hindus. I searched to find the data of communal riots in India . Unfortunately, I could not find the data till this date, but I found the data of communal riots between 1968 and 1978. See this table:

DATA AND SUMMARY OF COMMENTS ON COMMUNAL RIOTS AND MINORITIES[1][1]

(i) Casualties in communal clashes during the period 1968-80 were as follows :-

Year No. of incidents Killed
Hindus Muslims Others/Police Total
1968 346 24 99 10 133
1969 519 66 558 49 674
1970 521 68 176 54 298
1971 321 38 65 - 103
1972 210 21 45 3 70
1973 242 26 45 1 72
1974 248 26 61 - 87
1975 205 11 22 - 33
1976 169 20 19 - 39
1977 188 12 24 – 36
1978 219 51 56 1 108
1979 304 80 150 31 261
1980 427 87 278 10 375
Total 3949 530 1598 159 2289

By N.C.Saxena, LBSNAA, Mussoorie, based on government reports and Judicial Commission findings)

The data show that 1598 Muslims were killed against 530 Hindus, that is, the number of Muslims killed has been three times the number of Hindus Killed. The data for other periods would clearly prove the same trend throughout the history of Independent India. Thousands of Muslims were bulldozed in Nille ( Assam ), more than 1500 were massacred in Gujarat and a similar number were killed in riots following the demolition of Babri Masjid. The number of Hindus killed in all these riots has surely been less than one third of Muslims killed. The blasts in Mumbai and other places attributed to Muslims, if the allegation is correct, are an illegitimate response on the part of some Muslims to genuine grievances shared by the whole Muslim community and many of the Hindus (except the proponents of Hindutva).
It is also often alleged that Muslims have caused violence in terrorist attacks in the country and Muslims are intolerant. The history tells is otherwise. When Aryans came to India , they were very cruel to the local population. It is notable that the two most popular Hindu epics (Mahabharat and Ramayan) are basically war accounts of wars among Hindus themselves. It is also not without significance that Hindus are the only religious community in the world, which has a full varna , Kshatriya, dedicated to war services. Hindus have been very aggressive against Buddhists as well and converted large number of their places of worship into Hindu temples. India has a long history of terrorist attacks involving Hindus and Sikhs. Sikh militancy in Punjab killed thousands in 1980s. The Government response to the movement culminated in an attack on Golden Temple in which hundreds of army men and Sikh militants were killed. There have been separatist movements in Eastern India that led to the killing of thousands of people in terrorist attacks. Naxalites have been killing people in several parts of India for almost half a century. The biggest seat of terrorist violence in the recent history has been Sri Lanka, where Hindu Tamils have been involved in terrorism for more than two decades; about one hundred thousand persons have become victims of this violence. In Nepal, Maoists have slaughtered several thousands in recent years. Maoists have more than 30000 fighters in their ranks and hundreds of thousands of sympathizers

Ahimsa (non-violence) is the avowed principle that Hinduism preaches. Yet, Ahimsa has sufficient scope for Himsa (violence). The Hindu scriptures are full of grandiose descriptions of wars and battles. The Mahabharat, one of the most sacred scriptures of Hindus is in fact all about the “greatest” war that was ever fought on the surface of the earth, under the command of Lord Krishna. The Ramayana, the other important scripture too has the war between Ram and Ravan as one of the main chapters. The major Hindu festivals like Diwali and Dussehra are celebrated in the memory of the victories in the wars. Many Hindu thinkers have been preaching for years the desirability of the use of force against their “enemies”. It will be worthwhile here to quote from an article, “THE REAL HINDU VIEW OF AHIMSA (non-violence)” by Shri Nandan Vyas. He says:
“The Hindu scriptures extol virtues of Ahimsa (non-injury or non- violence) and consider it an essential tenet of and guide for PERSONAL behaviour (ONLY). However destruction of wicked essential for establishing the Dharma (righteousness) is considered Ahimsa also……As the Bhagavat tells us: Jivo jivasya jeevanam Bhagavat – 1.13.46 …. (1) Knowingly or unknowingly a larger life form consumes a smaller life form, thence complete Ahimsa is not possible. Also in this respect one must define right or justifiable Himsa, and unjustifiable Himsa….in the context of the Mahabharat war wherein Bhagawan Krishna repeatedly asks Arjun to fight the righteous war (Tasmat yuddhasya Bharat!)….. Because the HINDU SCRIPTURES CONSIDER UNAVOIDABLE VIOLENCE (HIMSA) RELUCTANTLY UNDERTAKEN FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A RULE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (DHARMA SANSTHAAPANA) FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY AND FOR SUSTENANCE OF ONE’S BODY AS JUSTIFIABLE AND CALL IT AS AHIMSA ALSO. ….Dayaa tiche naav bhutaanche paalan aanika nirdaalan kantakaanche (Tukaram Gatha – Abhanga 129)…(4) Meaning – Compassion is thy name – nurturing all (living) beings AND the destruction of the wicked. …..Even Manusmruti says : Aatatayinaa mayaantam hanyaadevavichaaryan (Manusmruti 8.350) …(1) Meaning – A wicked, evil aggressor should be killed without any hesitation. ….…In fact in Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan Krishna promises – ‘paritraNaaya saadhunaam vinaashaayacha dushkrutaam dharma sansthaapanaarthaya sambhavaami yuge yuge (Gita 4.8) …(7) Meaning – For the protection of the good, for the destruction of the wicked, and for the establishment of dharma, I am born age after age…..real popular Hindu view considers destruction of wicked as Ahimsa also. Hindu scriptures are full of incarnations of Vishnu and Shiva with the destruction of wicked demons as their main Avatar karya (reason to be). It is also more than a coincidence that all Hindu divine images are always bearing arms. Even Hindu goddesses, such as Durga, Bhavani, Kali, carry weapons, and are immortalised in the stories of their destruction of the wicked. Even now during the Dasshera festival Hindus perform puja of their weapons. This tradition is followed even in the Indian and Nepali armed forces, particularly in the Gorkha regiments. Thus bearing arms and destroying the wicked are considered necessary for the preservation of society and are considered as Ahimsa.”
The article also opines about the need of taking arms in the current world and exhorts Hindus to fight their enemies:

“In the present day context, the fight against historical injustice against Hindus and the Hindu way of life must be considered as Ahimsa also. Because fighting for justice is a Hindu’s righteous duty (dharma). “
The article criticises Gandhi’s approach towards non-violence: “Gandhiji’s non-violent struggle worked against an educated and cultured oppressor, namely the British.” It then goes to prove that Gandhi’s style will not work against less cultured enemies who must be suppressed by force without hesitation.
In an article, “Is ‘Riot Free India’ A Possibility?”, Ram Puniyani comments:
“Starting from Jabalpur riot (1961), Hindu-Muslim riots have gone on and on, the last one being the horrific anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat , in the aftermath of burning of Sabarmati express at Godhra. These riots have been projected as Hindu Muslim riots but the statistics tell a different tale. In the data released by the ministry of Home affirms that prior to the Babri demolition, the percentage of Muslim victims in these riots had been 80%. (In the total population Muslims are 12.6%). Post Babri demolition the ratio might have become more adverse to Muslims.
The second minority to be on the target has been the one dealt in the report mentioned above, the Sikh community. In the single and intense anti Sikh pogrom (1984) around 3000 Sikhs were butchered in most merciless fashion. The third on the firing line has been the Christian community, amongst them particularly the nuns and priests, working in the remote areas. In this violence the most horrific case has been the burning alive of Pastor Graham Stuart Stains along with his two sons, Philip and Timothy (Ages, 11 and 7). Apart from this glaring act many a nuns and priests have been done to death, and an additional tool of community humiliation, rape, has been used against the nuns at places.”
http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-puniyani150905.htm

In terms of social vices too, Muslim world is far more civilised. In India too, commercialisation of sex including prostitution, nudity and pornography is becoming increasing disastrous. The alcohol consumption is on the rise, female foeticide is a big issue, there are moves towards legalising of prostitution as well as homosexuality and the premarital sex is becoming increasingly common. If the trends continue, all these will reach the Western levels soon.

Nepal

Nepal is the only declared Hindu state in the world. It is among the most backward countries of the world ranking 166th in terms of Per capita income, 159th in Literacy Rate and 143rd in life expectancy. Insurgency in Nepal has been a permanent feature in recent decades with several thousands people killed.

Conclusion
In the last chapter I had proved that in terms of the performance as communities, Muslim World is better than Christian world. Western world is only a part of Christian world, and their scientific advancement and power have not helped their societies becoming civilised because they use commercialisation of human susceptibilities to gain economic and political power and then use these powers to perpetuate their domination at the cost of innumerable human lives. Rest of the Christian world is extremely poor and backward. In this chapter, I have shown that Hindu community too is no better. If India is emerging as an economic giant, it is mainly because of its sheer size and its economic growth has not led to any significant improvement in the lives of its denizens. In many ways it has also been adopting the Western model of development with increased level of violence; and social vices are becoming increasingly destructive with every passing day. It can be shown that Buddhists too have mixed records. Jews are largely believed to be highly advanced. They have just one very small country and a very strong lobby in Western countries particularly America. If Israel has reached where it is now, it is only because it is a pawn in the hands of the Western world that has made it sit right in the midst of the Arab world so that the advances of Muslim world can be effectively thwarted. In terms of social vices, family breakdown, crime rates and involvement in violence, its record is shameful. Its tyrannical attitude towards Palestinians is worse than the worst examples of violent behaviour. It has therefore no claim to civilisation.
I personally believe that all religions must play a role in regulating moral behaviour of individuals as well as the system; and they must have a common minimum agenda to defeat the designs of the forces of evils. I will dwell on this aspect in detail some time later.
To continue
* Dr Javed Jamil is Executive Chairman, International Centre for Applied Islamics, and Chief Editor, “Islam, Muslims & the World” and Director PEACE. He is also author of more than a dozen books including “Islam means Peace”, “The Essence of the Divine Verses”, “The Killer Sex”, “Rediscovering the Universe”, “The Devil of Economic Fundamentalism” and “Islamic Model for Control of AIDS”. Also has more than 200 articles and papers to his credit. His yet-to-be-published works include “Scientific & Social Principles based on Qur’an” and “Westernism: the Ideology of Hegemony”. He can be reached at doctorforu123@yahoo.com

[Reply]
Rajeev Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Total BS.

[Reply]
Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Thank you for reading the above with patience – and I expected the kind of response with which you have come up. Thanks once again.

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tajender Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
when delhi was thiving and a vibrant city kualampur was village.now see the difference.

HINDUISM KA AUR GHAREEBE KA CHOLEE DAMAN KA SATH HAI.jis desh mein mandir
ashrams aur raja milke desh ka paisa ghayeb karte raheinge aur money circulation ko almost zero kar deinge wahan kya ho sakta hai.chor school jaega honest rickshaw chalaega.

muslims and britishers gave some moral values to india.future of india is bad.

tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 12:16 am
india is now slowly converted into colony of american corporations.

RajX Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Dude, you need to make your post precise and short. Otherwise, No one will read it even if it has substance. So less copy and paste and more summary of your thoughts.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 12:43 am
RajX,
This is not a post but propaganda by Islamists.
I have read this kind of propaganda before therefore regard it total BS.

This kind of BS comes from people who claim Islam is supreme.

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RajX Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:11 am
. I find such people interesting. We have to admit that it takes a lot of creative juice to come up with a good mix of truth and fiction which is believable.Islamists do have a lot of creative juice. The use of the word “revert” for a religious conversion with a nice story behind it’s use is a good example.

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Wrong – when comparing scholarly data you have to inflate or deflate the numbers for parity for true equation of quality standards.

Your number or the source’s data comes in question because they do note take into economic status, educational levels and comparitives – for instance, if a respondent is from a village, are the Hindus getting the same benefits? If no, there is no special case for Muslims.

Let’s face some things straight, Muslims in India are better off they may be other declared Islamic countries.

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wasim Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@Ziauddin Shafi
some facts are far from truth…
It bitter truth which you need to Accept…muslims contribution in modern world is ZERO..
All above fact which you have showed might be correct , there is “BIG QUESTION MARK”
my questions is after removing the revenue from OIL..their per capita income will be the same as it shows now.JAB TEIL KHATAM HO JAEGA TOH UNKA SARA TEIL NIKAL JAEGA..
No ARAB country has more population than UTTAR PRADEST except SAUDI ARAB or one or two
BAHRAIN,QATAR ,KUWAIT their population mere 1.5 million each.
and about literacy rate is high because “PERSON WHO CAN READ NEWSPAPER IS CONSIDERED AS LITERATE” This is because reading of QURAN they know to read arabic ..and most of papers are in arabic..circulation of english news papers are nil in arab world.(dont considered me as pro WESTERN)

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tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
It bitter truth which you need to Accept…muslims contribution in modern world is ZERO

wasim dont forget that islamic thoughts arabic physics and chemistry was the base of rennainace.muslims established libraries scientific centres and universities 500 years beore
oxford or cambridge was established.books for those colleges were brought fro muslim spain.

wasim per capita consumption of electical consumption of iran is 15 time more than up.

per capita income of turkey is 8-9 time more than india.indonesia dont have much oil.area 1/6th of india economy bigger than india.

all central asian countries have literacy level 95%plus they are not depending on oil.

from coffee to cameras to algebra and chemistry are muslim inventions.now jews are in fore front not even christians.but their inventions are basically meant to hurt humanity not help them.

[Reply]
Balwinder Sandhu

Shan says- “”"Given the choice i wouldn’t like to raise a family or settle in bangladesh “”"

SHAN babu, that is not going to happen. Actually SHAN the chances of any Indian girl wanting to marry a Nirad Chowdhry clone like yourself is pretty slim. Even English girls go for Indian munde who are proud of themselves.

Dhobi ka ….., naa ghar ka naa ghaat ka

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shan Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
@balls sandhu, I will never go for sardarni , they are all gold diggers, and all become TUNTUN after knocking off their first chavy

[Reply]
Vijay Kumar

@ shan

r u unmarried or …. going in for a second one?

[Reply]
tajender

Suresh Kalmadi, Ashok Chavan innocent: Digvijaya

tareef karoonga kya uskee jisne tujhe banaya.

[Reply]
RajX

For once, Zia makes sense. Bangladesh is in the right trajectory. It’s becoming less Islamist and more progressive. There may be truth in what manmohan said about 25% being islamists but based on the changes happening in Bangladesh, this 25% group is decreasing and not increasing. In Pakistan, the story is upside down. There are more islamists in Pakistan today than there were 20 years ago and their numbers are growing day by day. We would not big security issues in the Indian subcontinent if Pakistan had turned out a bit like Bangladesh.

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Dr Mishra, UK

MR ZIAUDDIN SHAFI”””””””””””’

Welcome to India, and thank you for your very long post. Please allow me to debate on just 2-3 points now, rest later.
First of all thank you for mentioning female foeticide and riots. We Indians set high standards for ourselves and are working towards ameliorating these. No Indian tries to brush this under the carpet.

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Dr Mishra, UK

MR ZIAUDDIN SHAFI”””””””””””’

Now, the replies-
1. Most muslim countries you have quoted are in the middle east with black gold, ie oil, which has given them riches beyond their wildest dreams.
2. Even the ones who did not have much oil, like Indonesia, did not have the grinding poverty that India inherited in 1948. Do not forget that India had 3 million deaths in 1940, and today it grows its own food to feed thrice that number.
3. So the issue is here about RELATIVE PROGRESS. Relative to many third world countries, India has made stupendous progress. Not as much as China, but for that we did not have the danda of communism.

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Dr Mishra, UK

MR ZIAUDDIN SHAFI”””””””””””’

If you compare like with like, ie, India with Pakistan or Bangladesh, then I hope you will not mind my saying that while Bangladesh has had moderate success (and it makes all of us Indians very happy), India’s progress by comparison has been astronomical.
Sadly, Pakistan, presumably your country, has practically imploded with an infant mortality now that is EVEN BELOW Bangladesh.
And yet, in 1960, Pak was the richest of the 3.
Thank you for your comments, too tired to answer the other points. I will ask my cyber friends here to help me in this regard.
Shabba Khair to you, my dear Pakistani friend.

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pankaj#1 Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 3:36 am
Mishraji;
for you, I came to this blog. I could not finish Mr. shafi’s long post. It is not even a good attempt of subterfuge. Shafi has not analysed anything, just quoted figures. Hope they are authentic. Your one sentence that all these numbers are because of oil, said it all. These communities have nothing, which will advance them for future. All the advancement is because money being offered to all the developed countries and they are working there. Nothing from self. It can not happen there.

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Shoeb K Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Ziauddin, dr Mishra

Ziauddin, did not understand your objective in doing the cutting and pasting of this Khan’s writing-

– Is it to indicate Muslims and Muslim countries are more advanced than others?
– Is it to indicate Hindus are violent contrary to their widely perceived image or their Sasthra?
The subject is Bangla Desh, which is a relatively happy story, especially for a Muslim country. That one had to write a good story as an example, a potential shining light on the hill, speaks volume about the Muslim situation in the world.

Statistics can be used to shut down freedom, denigrate feeble etc. It shows your world view when you compare a Kuwait or Dubai to 1.2 billion people India or 1.5 billion people China . Can countries like Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Quatar etc even be considered countries in a real sense of the word “country”?

We can recite these statistics and believe evrything is “kosher” (hohoho) among us Muslims.. Whom are we kidding? Have you ever seen Jewish people reciting status on how many professorships or nobel prizes they achieve? Because they do not have to. World gets it. To some extent, now Indians dont have to write about them. World is coming ins earch of the, just like world came searching for it 5000 years ago. Whatever statistics we raise, let us accept the fact (at least I accept, based on my extensive Western tarvels) that we, Muslims, are eitehr hated or feared by the bulk of the world. No statistics will solve it. Only behaviour will resolve it. Statistics is a good indicator, let us hope all the countries you listed continue to go in that tarck.

An optimistic and confident people vested in its country will solve its problems, such a sthe female infanticide, corruption etc. Democracy, aspirations, possibilities, positive challenges — all these drive all Indians who know each of them has a stake irrespective of rich/poor divides.

However, you and Dr Khan cannot get away with your broad brush on “Hindus are misconstrued as non-violent, their books are violent, blah blah”. Looks like a classic incessant Rupee News and Islamabadglobe.com propaganda.

Of course, you have not read those books, its central premises, the conflicts between good and bad, role of rulers and ruled… For all the “caste” bashing people do, these greatest books of India were written by two “ourtcasts” in a sense – one a hunter turned a scholar, and the other one the son of a fisherwoman, fathered by a saint.

Devarshi Vyasa states this, asLord Krishna’s profound statement on war, dharma etc

“Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharatha
Ashyuthanam adharmasys thadathmam sriyamayah
Prathinyaya sadhunam vinashayale dushkrith
Dharma samsthapnartheya Sambhavami yuge yuge ”

Hindus will accept a Budha, jesus,a nd even Allah as one who visist this earth yuge yuge to establish Dharma. But we will not..and that is the reason why we are violent.. Violence for everything, killing brothers and sisters and sons and daughters..Violence is bred when we create differences – us /them, ouor land/non-believrs land yada yada yada

Once in a while I visit my friend’s house for some special occasions. His father, a learnt “brahmin”, conducts pooja on those occasions… and always the pooja ends up with the recital of “Loka samastha sukhino bhavandu” (let everyone all over the world eb happy) and Ohm Santi Santi Santi (peace, peace,. peace). That sums up all .

Khans statistic is just that. They do not create visuals on millions of TV screens or PC screens. What is shown on TV is a christian cabinet minister killed in Pakistan just because he is a Christian, a Muslim governor of West Punjab kille d because he felt a Christian woman was in jail for death sentence just because she is a christian, Ahmadiya being killed just ebcause they are Ahmadiyas, trains attions and subways and airplanes being exploded just because those are infidels’, a muslim woman stoned to death because she was in love with somebody, a muslim girl forced to live with her rapist father-in-law as his wife etc etc..Statistics wouldnt count a jelly bean as long as our travelling salesmen (and occasioanlly women) dont go to other countries and blow up.

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Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:16 am
You’re mistaken dude – Krishna’s yada yada statement is that *HE* comes down to do the cleaning up of evil etc. – Hindus do not do it themselves.

The least you can do is get the premise right – Hindus have the avatar business, where GOd is supposed to take human form and do their dirty work for them – muslims, have special dictates on how khafirs need to be enslaved or killed or fined or taxed – we’re totally different in that regards.

Abrahamism, in itself, is a violent and non-tolerant concept – the 3 major religions of Judaism, CHristianity and Islam are wrong because their central tenet is one that suggests the other and the others are wrong – Hinduism is different because it entertains the possibility of truth being present in the other alternative, the others, these Abrahamic faiths, have rigid doctrines.

So, please, get it right before you shoot off like that – avatargiri is different from jihad and kafirism.

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S Singh Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Raj

You seem to be Singhi/RSSiy

That is what Shohab said — Krishna came to protect Dharma, that Hindus consider Jesus, Budha etc and even the prophet as souls who came down to institute Dharma…

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
S Singh…

What is Singhi… on RSS, well, it’s for others to judge – I am on those people’s side who is the most educated (preferably Oxbridge, Ivy degrees) and who are the most non-violent, mature and well spoken people.

If the RSS right wingers fulfill this credential, my opinion would be pro their stance, if it’s the centre or the left wing marxists, then my opinion would be in their favour, if it’s the centre secular humanists, then my opinion would favour them the most.

In short, I don’t believe in putting human ideas in boxes – RSS = Bad, Islam = Bad or Secularism = Good – nope, human thought is much deeper than this shallow classification.

And no, Krishna and Hindu thought is completely different from muslim thought – avatars are expected to settle the problem for you – muslims, on the other hand, are guaranteed victory and pleasure if they conduct warfare at the name of their God. Christians live vicariously, where they expect their sins to be forgiven after confessions and sacrificing their God (human sacrifices) every Sunday morning.

They are all fundamentally different. Do note that if you are seeking sects that have merged Jesus with Krishna with Buddha and Mohammed, you might be speaking about either the Ahmedis or the Bahaaii – both of whom have been oppressed everywhere else around the world except India.

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tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
pankaj why every one brhmn doctor is ent to jail for cheating the people.today dr shukla has gone before president of aiims was sent to jail,one sharmajee from kanpur is fined 19million dollars and jail term of 70-80 years for inject patients with hepetites b patients.as u have no conversion hence u are enemy of every body.no morality no honesty no bhagwan ka dar.

how indians can be rich when
The all-round solid support Karnataka’s most corrupt CM, Yeddyurappa, got from the entire godmen who control the Brahminic world, should once for all convince us that corruption is the other name for Brahminism.

All these godmen are sitting on mountains of money, generously donated by all such corrupt rascals. More corruption means more money to Brahmin temples.

Intellectual corruption: All the powerful godmen like the Pejawara Swamy, Dharmastala Hegde, “Sri Sri” Ravishankar, Shankaracharyas and the richest of the lot, Satya Sai Baba, the king of the frauds, have all blessed the CM and promised to stand by him.

The Lingayat swamis went on a strike to defend him. Not a single Brahminic “intellectual” was so far spoken against the CM.

What is the conclusion? Brahminism will never, ever let down its jatwala whatever may be his or her crimes.

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pankaj#1 Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Tajender;
You have such great visionaries and intellectuals to take guidance from. Good luck to you. Spew less venom and put more love in your posts. May God give you peace, as in present, you are quite agitated.

tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
dr saheb calling an indian ,pakistani is unfaiar,dr jamil is man extremely high calibre,propounder of many theories in the field of medicine and physics,

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___________________________________________
Contents

Introduction
Man of Theories: Theory of Economic Fundamentalism, Peace Economics, Dynamic Theory of Health, Universal Theory of Relativity
His Islamic thought: Applied Islamics, Quranic Scientific and Social Theories
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His works include The Devil of Economic Fundamentalism, The Killer Sex, In Search of a Comprehensive Solution for AIDS, Rediscovering the Universe, Beyond Einsteinian Limits, Islam means Peace, he Essence of the Divine Verses, Islamic Model for Control of AIDS, Scientific and Social Theories derived from Quran, Family Welfare in Islam and Islam and Science. Besides, he has a collection of Urdu poems (Ghazals), Rahguzar and a novel, Siskiyan. He has also hundreds of articles to his credit published in various magazine, newspapers and journals.

Introduction

Dr Javed Jamil was born on 15th December 1958 at Saharanpur, a city of Uttar Pradesh, the most famous province of India.did mbbs from king George’s Medical College Lucknow.

it is shame i call u american or british if u dont read the script written by me.

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Anil

Sick mullahs discrediting one glaring fact.
Bangaldesh has successfully reduced hindus number from 30% to 15%. Anything like that to muslim community anywhere this same mullah would be frothing venom

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Rajeev Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 2:33 am
Anil,
This is typical behaviour of Mullahs. Have you ever heard Indian muslim talking about hindus of pakistan and bangladesh? NEVER…

These muslims rule Pakistan and Bangladesh directly and India by proxy.

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Dr Mishra, UK

Thank you, Dr Pankaj and Shoeb. OVER TO YOU ZIAUDDIN SHAFI, just keep it brief

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Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Brothers,
I am more Indian than u all as after death I will be buried in the very soil from which I am created, so no thanx for calling me a Pakistani, who, by the way are nothing but Indians mislead by their selfish political leaders. Had India been a united country (India+Pakistan+Bangladesh), Indian Muslims would have been much more stronger than what they are today and their contribution to the country would have been just immeasureable. So creation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a very great loss to all Indians and the biggest tragedy to befall India, thanks to the British and the Jinnah+ Nehru+ Patel combine. Thanks to the political ambitions of Zulfi Bhutto & Mujib, Bangladesh came into being. So thats just bloodied history, at least I cannot do anything to undo it, however much I may wish to. I am a firm believer in Akhand Bharat, its another matter that the RSS now do not want anything to do with Pakistan & Bangladesh (poor cousins, leave them to die their own painful deaths).
- The exercise is dedicated to suggest that Muslims have made giant strides internationally in all spheres of life – and wherever the western imperialists have allowed democracy to flourish, those Muslim countries and societies have come up a long way. Only the GCC and Iran have oil wealth – otherwise most Muslim countries are making do without oil wealth, on the strength of their agriculture and industry. They are definitely less violent, have a higher life expectancy, have made great improvements in education and health and treat their women in a much better way than the western or Hindu societies do. Women are greatly secure and safe in those lands, as their crime rates reflect.
- We have a Muslim population in the country which is greater than all Arabs put together – and an overwhelming number of Muslims are converts – only a few are arabs, turks, moghuls and persians – 95% of Indian Muslims are either Aryans or Dravidians – so to suggest that Muslims are more secure in India than anywhere else in the world is to insult all Aryans and Dravidians of the country which is simply unacceptable.
- Communal riots in India after independance are nothing but a will to assert newly-found supremacy of one community over the other and a simple equation of demand and supply. However, the fact remains that it is simply impossible to dominate over Muslims – Muslims would die rather than be dominated by any other community, its a simple dynamic fact.
- All economically weaker people indulge in killings – kill the other to snatch his/her goodies – once India becomes economically stronger, nobody would have the inclination or the time to indulge in rioting and killings.
- We all know that we have come a long way from the time of independance and realise that there is much room for improvement in all sectors, its as simple as that. However, the simple fact once again is that the kind of poverty that one sees in India is simply dumb-founding – here I blame the Hindu community fair and square for not being ready to share its wealth with the have-nots. This poverty is definitely due to the caste system only and nothing else – and the caste system is inhuman, please do not try to defend it for any god’s sake.
- As an Indian and Muslim, I have both the Here and the Here-After in my reach – that’s more than what a Hindu can be proud of.

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Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Dude muslims should forget a Hindu India (Hindu Indians as well) or a Muslim India or whatever. There is just one India for all, sure full of faults – but one that has the potential to succeed for all, regardless of caste and creed.

When things get to a point where community interests overcome general interests, unity fails. India is as much for muslims as it is for Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Jains and the Hindus – mutual respect and inter-faith communication and reverence will pull the South Asian continent through.

Hopefully, sensibility prevails and education is provided for all.

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Raju Kurien Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
- Indo/Pak division – Considering the constant Muslim itching to be separate/constant dabbling in minority-majority perspectives/politics etc, dont you think the division would have happened anyway, if not then, may be later?

You make statements like “Mulims would have been stronger” etc — Why/how? What is preventing them from being stronger now? Why is South Indian Muslims “stronger” than North Indian Muslims? What does “numerical” strength have to do with anything? Why are Christians “strong” in kerala in spite of being a smaller minority?

- You are living in a parallel universe.. “democratic ” Muslim countries?? Status/growth???? achievements/accomplishmnts?? “Muslim countries where Western Imperialists allowed democracy to flourish” –why blame Western imperailists?? What did western imperialists do to make Pakistan military dictatorships draining the country and making it a communal Muslim basket case?

- Communal riots as “newly found supremacy of one community over other” — What is “newly found”? Weren’t Hindus always numerically far larger? Werent there communal riots before independence? And who is trying to run over Muslims? Youshould be ashamed to make statements like “Muslims will die rather than dominted by another community” – India is not a Pakistan for this to happen – Muslim share of population has only gone up, aand in some parts significantly, unlike in Pakistan or Bangla Desh.

- “All economically weaker people indulge in killings” — that is a new news

- China was dirt poor- poorer than India – until 20years ago-India had a higher GDP then. Did China have a caste system then? Do African countries like Somalia, Ethiopia etc have caste system? If caste system zaps everything, how is Shiv Nadar one of the richest guys in India?and 90% of 100 richest people non-brahmins? Myawati, Karunanidhi etc a spowerful political leaders. Does government endorse caste system?

- Why cannot you accept a Hindu, or a Christian or a Sikh or whatever as a brother? Why do you have to be “more proud of” , different, better than another religious group?

Try to be a better person, not better than a Hindu or christian

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tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Indian Muslims “stronger” than North Indian Muslims? What does “numerical” strength have to do with

north was in hands of brhmnst.their grip was very brutal and strong.not only muslims even hindus are in far worst situation than their brothers in south.outh has many ports north is landlocked.this is also one of the reason.

lekin ghareebi ka aur hinduism ka chooli daman ka saath hai.padmaswami was hiding almost entire wealth of south while malyalees were cleaning the boots of arabs to have 2 meals a day.because of their generosity kerala became rich.

tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
raju good hindu means good slave of brhmns. good muslim means better human being.
go through teachings.

Rajeev Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Mr.Shafi has expressed his anger towards caste system and rightly so but he has to say about muslim behaviour seen in this case.
It is good case of how muslims behave when in majority.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_muslims-boycott-dalits-in-gujarat-village_1564826
Muslims boycott Dalits in Gujarat village

Muslims of a village in Sanand taluka of Ahmedabad district have been boycotting the backward communities in the village, most of whom happen to be Hindu Dalits.

Muslims are in an overwhelming majority in Andej village, while the backward Hindus are in a minority. The Muslim community began its boycott of the backward communities on July 1 after a scuffle, in which a Dalit Hindu was left with a fracture in the left hand.

The Dalit lodged a police complaint against the Muslims under the Prevention of Atrocities Act.

After that a verbal fatwa was issued by the Muslim community warning Muslim auto-drivers that they would be fined Rs2,000 if they ferried any Dalit.

Andej has around 700 Muslim families, and 100-odd backward community families, including Dalits belonging to Shenwa, Valmiki and Rohit communities.

Since July 1, the backward communities are allegedly not allowed to purchase anything from the market. They are also not allowed to use the local transport system which is dominated by Muslim auto-drivers from the village.

“We are not allowed to purchase anything from the local market,” Shankar Shenwa said.

The scuffle that led to the atrocity case and the boycott took place after Shankar’s brother, Manu Shenwa, was accused of stealing stones meant for construction being carried out by one Hussain Khokhar.

“Khokhar came to my house, asked me about the stones, and then started beating me,” Manu said. He said Khokhar, along with five other people, had assaulted him and fractured his left hand.

Manu eventually filed a case, which led to the boycott.

Fatu Rehmu, sarpanch of Andej Gram Panchayat, was not available for his comment but, her husband, who handles all the activities of the panchayat, said it was true that the Muslim auto-drivers were boycotting the backward communities. “But they are doing this because they do not want any conflict between the two communities,” he said.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:21 am
brhmnsm in gujrat and all over india is surviving on muslim dalit sepration.coward brhmns use them as foot soldier during riots.

Raju Kurien Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Tajinder

You better stop your venom; you know why Zia’s blog went from tyhousands of comments to less than 100.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:39 am
Raju Kurien Reply:

July 12th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Tajinder

You better stop your venom; you know why Zia’s blog went from tyhousands of comments to less than 100.

is it not right.ur salvation is individual not general like in christianity or islam.ur guru (brhmn)will take u to heaven.so u have to be his slave.so a good hindu has to be a good slave.of brhmn.

Raj Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Stop the b/s tejender everyone knows that Hinduism doesn’t issue fatwas or whatever, mullahs completely dictate the muslim population, didn’t they challenge the government’s education for all bill, saying it was too secular and want to include madrassah education in it to ‘retain identity’?

I seek your help in pointing out a major brahmin decree (if there is such an organization) that issues hindu fatwas and all that. Hindus don’t really have that many problems (mainstream) with brahmins as non-Hindus do, I suppose.

Perhaps you haven’t been to Saudi Arabia – go there, see what they call muslims who are not arabs. Or better, go to the UAE or the Middle East, see what happens to non-Arab muslims.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:34 am
as per supreme court hinduism is not a religion.fatwa come from religious aurities.like sikh christian and muslims.
jahan ganga snan karne se paap dhul jatein hain aur bhagwan daan dene se ,rascal become angel ,wahan fatwe kee kya zaroorat.
all my life i was middle east.i came to know that kingdomship is better than democracy.everybody feel secure happy and confident.

chalti gadee mein gang rape cannot be imagined even.before law everybody is equal.

also note turkish airline is awarded best airline of world in 2011.

pankaj#1 Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Dear Zia;
It was good to know, that you are an Indian and not a Pakistani. Nothing wrong in being a Pakistani,except that, the social and scientific milieu has been rendered so much warped there, that fact and fiction have got mingled very badly. In Pakistan, there are top notch nuclear scientists, who try to tap energy from Jinns. At every social gathering, you will see suited, booted guys, sporting a long beard and after ever second or third sentence, will say, prophet had said this or sahabas had uttered this and that. Very stiffling for a modern person to relate with that.
Your angst with partition is well understood but do not you forget to count your blessings that you were born in and raised in India, so that you have all the freedom to make best use of your capabilities and quite free to practice your religion and be a part of larger civil society, in stark contrast to what is happening in Pakistan or not far past in BD. You have here and here after both. In other countries, you might have only one of them. Had there been no partition, it was more likely than not, you would have been imitating pakistanis. Will you please narrate the achievements of Muslim countries, past year 1940, as I can not go farther in past than this. Communal riots are bane of India. I will not go into details, who initiated and who perpetrated atrocities. It takes two to tango. Having said this, I am strongest opponent of riots of any sort. You said Muslims will never be dominated by others, but the flip side is, muslim will always like to dominate others, in the context of religion, past glory or simply for false machismo of being meat eaters. You say, you blame hindus for poverty, where as majority of poors are hindus for the simple fact that they are numerically more in India. It is not being in minority or majority, but simply an attitude to life, where you put more emphasis, on religion or your well being through the instruments of education and hard work and desisting from anti social activities. In fact, many professions in India, which, hindus do not take for religious reasons are in the custody of muslims and they thrive on it making them monied, like tannery, butchering etc. As far caste system, it is collapsing under the weight of modernity and state policies. This will be a thing of past in not very far future. Your highlighting of caste system is an attempt to project muslims as better but you forget Azlafs and Ashrafs.
Hope, I could put my thoughts properly for you to chew on and on every parameters, Indians are progressing better, inspite of huge population and historical baggage. This is in stark contrast to muslim societies, world over.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
pankaj brhmnsm ka aur ghareebe aur jehalat ka choli daman ka saath.outside india muslims have defeated u people in every sphere of life.in gulf countries where competition u are loosing everywhere.

India suffers eternally in the hands of the troika of Marvadi’s, Gujju’s & Brahmins. The Big three have made India suffocate & suffer by their unethical ways throughout the history. Put together they add up to 8 to 9% of Indian population and hold more than 90% of Indian money, power and other resources. Socially, Educationally, Economically they have always been very powerful & superior to the remaining masses of India. Indian Economy is in the hands of Marvadi’s. They hold most of the Indian businesses. It is surprising to see only one community flourish in businesses, generations after generations. These people do not eat mutton but suck the blood out of people. They have mistaken cheating & manipulations for entrepreneurship. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in business outside India but not in India. Sabeer Bhatia and others in Silicon Valley are great examples. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in Indian Business with Non-Indian clientele. Infosys & other big & small software companies are live examples. However, a Non-Marvadi cannot succeed in Indian business Environment whereas a Marvadi can easily succeed with their competence in manipulatuions and machinations without really having the real competence, technical or otherwise. Right from adultering milk & other food items in a grocery shop, duping customers with non-standard items for branded items, to the big industrialists evading taxes, a Marwadi is involved everywhere in cheating this Nation.
They have mastered the trick of greasing palms of ever greedy politicians & bureaucrats to ensure the unethical & illegal businesses & methods are ignored by the people in Power. Business are shared within their community irrespective of cost and quality to ensure firm hold on business & economy with the Marvadi’s. Every attempt is made to kill the entrepreneurship from other communities. Businesses given to Non-marvadi’s will suffer Non-payment OR late payments to the point of closure of the others business. Employees in Marvadi firms are treated like slaves. The most qualified, intelligent and effective of the Employees have to work under low educated marvadi, appointed by the owner, as their boss, who keeps on learning from them and bossing over them at the same time, without giving exposure, value addition, or avenue to move ahead in the company. Once a person enters a Marvadi company, his learning stops and has to remain clerk forever, even if he is a Professional. With no addition in knowledge, he cannot venture outside the company and has to live a life of stagnated pond. Marvadi’s are destroying the intelligent and educated middle class just because this class is entrapped in home loans and other such loans. Earlier they cheated people by lending money at exorbitant interests and grabbed farming lands & other properties worth crores of rupees. A parallel economy with black money is run by the same community
The unethical ways of Marvadi’s are destroying people and the Nation. Gujju’s are aptly represented by people like Harshad Mehta and Ketan Parekh. Recent killings of innocent men, women & children from minorities can give a peep into the minds of Gujju’s where they are in majority. The same Gujju’s have driven out Maharashtrians from Mumbai to the far outskirts of Mumbai. Mumbai has been grabbed by Gujju’s. It is only the Parsi’s who do business in India very ethically and with a lot of social commitment & ecological responsibility. They have tremendous respect from every Indian.

Brahmins blocked the education for others ensuring no competition. Brahmins have hold on Educational Institutions, Software companies, administrative jobs in Govt. & Lucrative posts in Private companies. Once a Brahmin enters an Organistaion, he slowly makes it the Brahmin Organisation, by employing everyone from his own caste. Where are others? They are peons, clerks, vegetable vendors, street cleaners, farm labourers, construction labourers, low level workers in factories and doing rest of the menial jobs. The suppression of masses continues in one form or the other.

These three communities are the ardent supporters of BJP & the RSS. They are blinded by their self interests, least bothered about the Nation. Indulging in the superiority on Indian masses forever, they have been curse to the Indian masses.

The new found mantra of Hindutva was a master stroke to deflect the attention of masses from the real issue of disparity & in equality to the non-issue of religion. Pitting one religion against another OR one caste against another are their strategic moves. It is indeed barbaric to fight each other just because the other is born in different religion or different caste. But that serves the purpose of these communities. Indian economy, businesses and education is in their hands. The masses should realise the intentions of the saffronites whose real masters are in this troika and instead of indulging in barbaric fights we should make every effort to uplift the masses to dizzying heights to be equal if not more equal to this troika, who have inflicted the greatest of injuries to the masses and this Nation.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
.in gulf countries where competition is even u are loosing everywhere.sorry

Mahesh Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 1:10 am
Brother Shafi,
Greetings.
Let me start with saying this that you are articulating a rather “Muslim Exclusivist” position. It has nothing to do with jihad, nothing even to do with the stereotyped “expansion of Islam”.It is not anti-India as well, and yet it seeks “Muslim Exclusivity”. Please allow me to explain in the course of point-wise response to your posting here.
You Said :
“I am more Indian than u all as after death I will be buried in the very soil from which I am created, so no thanx for calling me a Pakistani, who, by the way are nothing but Indians mislead by their selfish political leaders. Had India been a united country (India+Pakistan+Bangladesh), Indian Muslims would have been much more stronger than what they are today and their contribution to the country would have been just immeasureable. So creation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a very great loss to all Indians and the biggest tragedy to befall India, thanks to the British and the Jinnah+ Nehru+ Patel combine. ”
I am with you to the point of partition being a very big tragedy that befell India. True. However, just indicting Nehru, Jinnah and Patel may sound a tad to simplistic. Popular cultures tend to glorify and demean persons of public stature as heroes and villains. Our jobs start precisely at that point in dissecting further. Jinnah may have be seen as a villain in popular imagination in India, but he still represented something that was **not** represented in Indian National Congress. It is those un-represented aspirations that made Jinnah powerful. Just blaming Jinnah , or by the same token Nehru and Patel for not yielding the “top position” is hardly helpful. Problems probably were much before Jinnah articulated them.
“Thanks to the political ambitions of Zulfi Bhutto & Mujib, Bangladesh came into being. So thats just bloodied history, at least I cannot do anything to undo it, however much I may wish to. I am a firm believer in Akhand Bharat, its another matter that the RSS now do not want anything to do with Pakistan & Bangladesh (poor cousins, leave them to die their own painful deaths).”
Agreed , history can no longer be un-done. We have to libve through it , painful as it may be.
You said :
“- The exercise is dedicated to suggest that Muslims have made giant strides internationally in all spheres of life – and wherever the western imperialists have allowed democracy to flourish, those Muslim countries and societies have come up a long way. Only the GCC and Iran have oil wealth – otherwise most Muslim countries are making do without oil wealth, on the strength of their agriculture and industry. They are definitely less violent, have a higher life expectancy, have made great improvements in education and health and treat their women in a much better way than the western or Hindu societies do. Women are greatly secure and safe in those lands, as their crime rates reflect.”
Mostly Agreed. But then, think again. Is this the virtue of them being Muslims ? Rather, Isn’t it incidental that they are Muslims ? Will you ever buy into an argument that Sachin Tendulkar is great batsman because he is Marathi ? Same goes for the your “Hindu Society” argument. Isn’t it rather incidental that the under-developed society happens to be Hindu ? A simple rebuke to your argument of “Hindu Society” stays across the border, in Nepal . The Communist upsurge in Nepal did witness several Women leading the struggle against king’s autocracy. Were they not, again incidentally, Hindu ? History has it that an under-developed society does see its women more subjugated , financially and socially. That the society is Hindu is purely co-incidental in Indian context. In case, I am not being clear – it has nothing to with what is practised as religion by the larger populace. I was OK with your re-buttal against Muslims precisely for this reason. The point where you slipped ,IMHO, was where you brought religion in focus to defend the stand rather than focussing on Political Economy.
You Said :
“- We have a Muslim population in the country which is greater than all Arabs put together – and an overwhelming number of Muslims are converts – only a few are arabs, turks, moghuls and persians – 95% of Indian Muslims are either Aryans or Dravidians – so to suggest that Muslims are more secure in India than anywhere else in the world is to insult all Aryans and Dravidians of the country which is simply unacceptable.”
Agreed. A nice re-buttal of the popular position that equates Muslims world over.
“- Communal riots in India after independance are nothing but a will to assert newly-found supremacy of one community over the other and a simple equation of demand and supply. However, the fact remains that it is simply impossible to dominate over Muslims – Muslims would die rather than be dominated by any other community, its a simple dynamic fact.”
Two problems here with this point. First, despite the popular perception – you need to go back to the history of communal riots in India. The communal riots , I dare say, have been a orchestrated play mostly by State and dominant political forces. Sparing acceptance of these venal sentiments among the masses aside, the riots have been an orchestrated play. Another thing, nobody ever realistically thought that the largest minority in the country could ever be subjugated except for the those nut-cases that saw them relegated to the lunatic fringe. Only perhaps to be lamented and used as a thriving reason by similar nut-cases from the minorities. Incidentally, ever noticed how this lunatic fringe justifies each other’s presence for survival ?
“- All economically weaker people indulge in killings – kill the other to snatch his/her goodies – once India becomes economically stronger, nobody would have the inclination or the time to indulge in rioting and killings.”
I was about to dismiss this a pure BS when the following caught my attention – “once India becomes economically stronger, nobody would have the inclination or the time to indulge in rioting and killings” . So true. So true of our history so far where at times one just couldn’t miss the connection between socio-economic frustration and communal outbursts. My own sense is – even the Ram-Janmabhoomi / Rathyatra episode of late eighties and early nineties gained currency due to economic stagnancy Indians – particularly the middle class – we were facing.
“- We all know that we have come a long way from the time of independance and realise that there is much room for improvement in all sectors, its as simple as that. However, the simple fact once again is that the kind of poverty that one sees in India is simply dumb-founding – here I blame the Hindu community fair and square for not being ready to share its wealth with the have-nots. This poverty is definitely due to the caste system only and nothing else – and the caste system is inhuman, please do not try to defend it for any god’s sake.”
Again, the Caste system has been a feudal remnant. It is historically incidental that it originated in India and – as popular perception has it – in Hinduism. This has less to do with religios practice. Caste system is much more a social phenomena and much less a religious one. That it has been a hindrance in the past is well understood. Less understood is the fact that as economic development spreads, the caste hierarchies tend to wither away. A historical anecdote here . I am sure you have heard of Maratha leader Chhatrapati Shivaji. Did you know that the battles fought in Maharashtra then put a huge demand on forging of weapons. A skill traditionally with Lohars (Iron Smiths). The situational pressure forced a great deal of migration towards those skills, effectively reducing the rigidity and migration to the Lohar castes. The external pressures do play a great role. In the current context, it has to be economic development.
“- As an Indian and Muslim, I have both the Here and the Here-After in my reach – that’s more than what a Hindu can be proud of.”
Excellent. But then brother Shafi, you have chosen to approach the problems faced by Muslims from a rather communally exclusivist angle. I am not saying you are jehadi, anti-India or muslim expansionist. I understand you intend to reclaim your space as a Indian citizen who practices Islam. Fair enough. The only problem is how you defend your right. The metaphors you have at times chosen are ,un-fortunately, reactionary in nature. I hate your posting for this precise reason. You have “reacted” to the “Hindu Exclusivism” in those same communal terms.
All of the above said, let me sign off with a rather interesting anecdote. During the Egyptian upsurge the capital of Wisconsin state (Madison) was witnessing a strike against government spending cuts. The visual high point of – IMHO – of the egyptian upsurge was postering by some egyptian protestors procliaming support to their Madison comrades.
Nothing uniquely Islamic was at play in Egypt, brother Shafi.
- Mahesh.

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Ashish Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 11:11 am
@Mahesh,
one of the most well argued essays I have read in a long time. I sincerely learnt a lot. Thank you.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
that Hinduism is not a religion, it’s a way of life – it is so.

supreme court of india has stated that.not me.in a religion all its follower are same.brhmn hates backward and shudras they two hate brhmn.which religion is this.

Raj Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 6:02 am
So tejender,

Exactly, you’re a lying trash – especially since you’ve stated the obvious – that Hinduism is not a religion, it’s a way of life – it is so.

That said, know your facts first before running your mouth – empty brains, empty vessels make the most noise. Though, I am also rather glad that a muslim knows a little about Hinduism – but really dude, you’re giving a really bad view of muslims.

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Balwinder Sandhu

Shafi saheb, ok we accept you are Indian muslim. But you did not read both posts by Mr Shoeb and Dr Mishra above, who may be the best contributors here.
Your anti hindu bias and strong pro muslim bias is your choice, but robs you of objectivity-
1. you say “”"Except Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan , Tajikistan , Bangladesh and Afghanistan , all Muslim countries have over capita income more than India , which is largely regarded as one of the emerging economic powers of the world”"”

missed the whole bloody point- most of these countries have oil and the ones who do not have much oil were anyway much richer than India when the race began in 1948. Saadey desh nu dekho, kahan tha aur kahan pahuch gaya hai.
Aur kahan tak pahuch jayega

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tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
balwinder if anybody speak truth it means he is anti-hindu.turkey does not have oil but per capita is 9 times of india.why i have to take certificate of our nationality from u or anybody else.

kahan tha aur kahan pahuch gaya hai.
Aur kahan tak pahuch jayega

i also want like this but truth is that we are 134 and slipping.we have largest pool of illetrate in the world.we have maximum no.of farmer suicide in world.

indian gdp is increasing but fruits is not reaching to lowest strata of society.cash is going to the basement of temples ashrams or swiss bank.

this is nothing new only repition of blood curdling history of hindu india.

race is going on since centuries.condition of common indian was not better during buhddha time as well ,when population was only 2 crores.ashok converted to budhhdism after annihilating the entire population of kalinga.

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vijay kumar

@ Zia Shafi

If you are from India– as you claim– then you should take pride in what India does and how it can do better

You are fooling yourself that you are part of a larger Muslim world and their causes are dear to you and that of your fellow country men– HIndus, Sikhs and CHristians– not as important !!

And get that mistaken notion out of your mind that you have Arab blood inside you and hence you are a descendent of the prophet and superior

Arre baba… no Arab came to thsi land with a woman. So most of the Muslims in India are converts. And any one who claims Arab Blood could probably have only one super grandparent in a line of thousand with actual Arab blood

What a joke…. Ha ha aha

I have composed a poem for your name sake the one and only smiling cobra from Pak-shit-stan, now in jannat, the evil Gen Zia ul Haq. I think he is largely responsible for many a problem which befalls India and Pak-shit-stan today.

I am sure he is reading this and clapping… from up there

O Zia too- ne kya kiya..
Bharat — Pakistan mein aag lagayi..
Terror ki sponsorship karwayi
Brainwashing se suicide sena tyaar karwaayi

Phir tu jannat ke liye udd gaya…

Now as you dance with a bottle of rum
Dancing with 72 whores, having fun
A mango in one hand and a *** in the other one…

Your Pak-shit-stan still pines for you
Even as its last hour chimes soon

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vijay kumar Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
*** is not *** but plain and simple T I T

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vijay kumar

@ Zia

All this bally hoo about Arabs being our fathers adn mothers should be given a burial in a flush

The Arab population of Saudia + UAE and rest of the Arab lands is 20 crores. HOw could they have fathered 100 crores in India+ Bangladesh + Pak-shit-stan + Malaysia + INdiaonesia ??

Arre bhai dal mein Kaala !!

Nothing wrong in converting. BUt see the past and acknowledge rather than live in a fools paradise

By the way the Pak-shit-stanis treated the MOhajirs from India as lessr beings as they were convinced that they had Arab blood and the MOhajirs were converts…

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tajender Reply:
July 12th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
98%of population of muslims are not racially arab.arab have lot of christians anf jews.

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http://- Rajeev

Mr.Shafi has made some points that I’d like to rebutt-
1. He says that he is Indian so why is he trying to belittle India and its achievements by comparing it with Islamic countries unfairly. Most of the Islamic countries were not plundered by outsiders for 800 years like India. The population of India is 75% of whole Islamic world.

2. The biggest benefactor of partition were muslims. They got two countries Pakistan and Bangladesh to rule as per their wishes suppressing non-muslims. They are now controlling Indian politics using their vote bank. It was muslims who asked for partition not hindus. It was hindus who died in millions during partition and then in 1971 for no fault of theirs.

3. It is a fact that many hindus both upper and lower castes joined Islam due to following reason-
- fear of Islamic violence that forced upper castes to onvert
- fear of Islamic Jiziya that forced poor to convert
- Injustice in hindu caste system made many hindu leave for Islam

but once hindus became muslims they became preferred citizen of Islamic empire and held advantage over hindus in every field. Infact till 1857, hindus remained as second class citizen in muslim dominated India.

4. Mr.Shafi is right that muslims will die rather than get dominated by other communities. But he should open his eyes wide open and will find that most of the muslim countries lack spine to stand up to west and are basically puppets of west. The pakistani muslims may crib but they are effectively under proxy rule of west. So Mr.Shafi, don’t be under the illusion that muslims are some superior race. You are defeated people and that is the reason you crib. If muslims countries don’t have oil, no one will ever pay attention to them. The Indian hindus have been extraordinarily generous towards muslims after partition. They allowed traitorous muslim community to stay back in India and gave them equal right. Infact muslims have been ungrateful to everyone who has helped them.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:23 am
fear of Islamic Jiziya that forced poor to convert

muslim pay zakat which was almost same.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Zakat is voluntary and is charged at a very less % whereas Jiziya is mandatory and was almost 25% of total income.

Don’t leave out details next time. You keep talking about Islamophobia but what about non-muslim phobia in Islamic countries.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 11:08 am
jaziya was 4%.brhmns ,rajput and muslims were exepmted as they were physically contributing to war efforts.
it was applied at the end of moghul raj not from begining.to support crumbling empire.

Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Jiziya was 25%…You liar..

Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Jizyah

Zakat
Some will say that Muslims also had to pay a tax equivalent to the jizjah paid by Dhimmis’. It is true that Muslims, under the empire, paid a tax called zakat. However, this zakat is a 2.5% tax, while the jizyah (which can vary) is about a 10% income tax (although it has been known to be as high as 50%).[3] Muslims are obligated to pay this so-called “charity tax” even today, as its one of the five pillars of Islam. But, instead of paying it to the state, they now pay zakat to charities of their choice. It must however be noted that the majority of Islamic scholars are of the view that non-Muslims should not benefit from this alms giving,[4] which is why we find mainstream Islamic charities, like Islamic Relief, almost exclusively[5] focusing their humanitarian work in Muslim majority nations or areas in non-Muslim countries which are heavily populated by Muslim minorities. In the aftermath of the 2010 Pakistan floods, many Christian survivors were denied aid supplied by Muslim charities for this very reason.[6]

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Jiziya was 25%…You liar..

u have condradicted ur statement in next post.it varies nad imposed for short period of time when state was in trouble.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
You keep talking about Islamophobia but what about non-muslim phobia in Islamic countries.

i dont find it anywhere even in pakistan.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
which are heavily populated by Muslim minorities. In the aftermath of the 2010 Pakistan floods, many Christian survivors were denied aid supplied by Muslim charities for this very reason.[6]

wrong and bss from where u got this information.when jamatudawa ke charities were closed by pak goverment.first to demonstrate were local hindus as they were the main benefeciary.

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Read again…Jiziya can be between 10% to 50% and was imposed on hindus permanently by many of the muslim rulers…

The problem with you is that you can not think beyond Islam..It is basically trashy Islamic ideas that have corrupted your ability to think clearly.
http://- Rajeev

Mr.Shafi, let us also know how HARIS in pakistan and dalits in BD are treated by muslims.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:19 am
any how they neo convert.will take some time.

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http://- Rajeev

Mr.Shafi,
Here are Kaarnaamas of your peaceful community-
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Non-Muslims#India

India

Hindu Leader Sukhanand Shetty Murdered Savagely by Group of Muslims
46 killed and over 200 injured in 13 bomb attacks in 11 places
Islamic Terrorists kill 24 Hindus in Kashmir village
Islamic Terrorists kill 23 Kashmiri Pandits in the valley
Islamic terrorists kill sleeping Hindu Family of 8
Muslim Militants kill 9 Amarnath Hindu pilgrims, injure 32
Islamic Terrorists Attack Hindu Temple, Ten Hindus Killed
Two more Hindu families butchered as they dined together
Kashmiri Hindu Pandit Holocaust-1
Kashmiri Hindu Pandit Holocaust-2
Triple-Bombing in New Delhi Markets kills 59 and injured 210 More
Ethnic Cleansing of Kashmiri hindu pandits by Muslim Militants
More Than a Hundred Dead & Hundreds More Injured in Mumbai Terrorist Attacks
Doctors: Terrorist Torture of Jewish Victims ‘Beyond Words’
3 Muslims Arrested for Gang-Rape of Hindu Girl in Moving Car
Police Thwart Muslim Plot to Blow Up Hindu Pilgrims
Islam Battles Decriminalization of Homosexuality. Muslim Leaders Have Said any Attempt to Legally Permit Unnatural Sex is an Attack on Religious & Moral Values
Muslim ‘Chat Friend’ Abducts Hindu Girl & Demands Rs 5 Lakh From The Family For Her Release
Muslim Groups Turn Down Hindu Request for Peace in India
Islamists Wage ‘Conversion’ Campaign on Hindu Girls, as Many as 940 Hindu Girls Missing in Kerala in Past 5 Years
Hindu Man Murdered for Marrying Muslim Woman
Minority Hindus attacked again in Ahmedabad’s Shahpur on Diwali
2,000 Muslims attack and loot 3 Hindu Temples in Kolkata – 25 Houses Damaged & 20 Hindus injured
Muslims Demand Islamic Practices in Christian School
Christian Professor Mutilated by 2 Muslim Students and suspended over “offensive” Exam Question
Sikhs Ordered to Embrace Islam or Leave Kashmir Valley
Christian Church, School, and Cars Set on Fire in Punjab by Muslims Because of the US ‘Burn-the-Qur‘an’ Proposal
Mujahideen Attack a Tourist Vehicle, Injuring Two Taiwanese Tourists
Varanasi blast: 45 injured, one girl child killed,5 critical including foreigners; Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility
Islamists Destroy Hindu Temple With Bombs During Muharram Procession in Pachla, Howrah; Multiple Hindu Properties Attacked
Hindu Pilgrims Looted by Armed Muslim ‘Youth’ in Mayapur
Kashmir Cops Beat Youth for Trying to Raise National Flag and offer him urine
Hindu/Muslim Lovers Commit Suicide After Muslim Family Beat Up and Threaten Hindu Family
Muslims burn down Christian school in Srinagar
Hindu women granted a divorce after she was fraudulently made to sign papers by a Muslim youth which later turned out to be registration of marriage and conversion certificate into Islam
Imam allegedly “manhandled” by an unknown group of youngsters. 30 injured as Muslims respond by rioting against Hindus in Indian village
Hindu Couple Harassed for Adopting Muslim Girl
Islamic Groups Rob Banks to Fund Activities
Islamic Group Behind Brutal Stabbing of 2 Hindu Students
Indian Cops Injured After Sex Harasser Starts Quran Desecration Rumor

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:18 am
police should handle them as per our laws.if true.rss or rumour spreading society usually spread these bullshits to take attention.in community of 20 crores this is nothing.

940 Hindu Girls Missing in Kerala in Past 5 Years
can be found in haryana.hindus must have burnt alive 130000 hindu girls during that period for bringing less dowry.average 26000/year in and around delhi.

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shan

what this geezer ziauddin shafi has demonstrated is that most muslims are like ostrich ,digging their head in,not able to see yhings with an open mind. BBC today showed THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TUNISIAN AND LIBYAN making perilous journey to land in EUROPE.no job at home.
This is ISLAM for you. His assertion muslims will never live under domination. laughable comment really, just reflect with what IMPUNITY Iraq turned to rubble , Chechnya TURNED TO DUST . AND BOSNIA salvaged by american bombing. I think most muslims realise that THEY ARE IN DEEP s h i t .
They also realise that the religion has been so much dissected by non muslims, due to their STRIDENCY ,THAT WARTS AND ALL IS EXPOSED FOR ALL TO SEE.
There was a programme in BBC2 last night LIFE OF MUHAMMAD.This is hagiography gone barmy.Being aware of the violent nature of its adherents , the WHITE academics only offered platitudes, no dissection no analysis,JUST JUSTIFICATION OF EVERYTHING.And this is what is problem with islam INABILITY TO SEE THINGS FOR WHAT THEY ARE WORTH.
This business of PORTRAYING mohammad as ILLITERATE was a clever ploy by muslimhistorians.
Otherwise all the references to torah ,and all christian bible BECOMES JUST COPY CAT , so if he is portrayed illiterate then his words can neatly be drafted as god’s word. Yet I have shown in this blog from quotes from hadith by the author MUSLIM, where he clearly says to a jew , that it is written in your TORAH. This BBC”2 documentary was unbeleivably ONE SIDED. It tried to justify the violence and fatwa against rushdie , for quoran has been insulted by invoking THE SATANIC VERSES. Apparently these verses purport to come to some sort of agrrement with the PRACTICES OF THE PREPROPHET ARABIA.It was unbeleivable PROPAGANDA,making big deal about no images in a mosque ,whereas there is in all other religion.HOW ABOUT KABA, BLACK STONE , IS THAT NOT A TOTEM WORSHIP, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT AT THAT.
Bottom line is every religion is like a house ,it has drawing room ,living room BUT ALSO TOILET. every other religion accepts the toilet is toilet , WITH ISLAM THE TOILET IS ALSO LIVING ROOM.
Let HONESTY PREVAIL, lets accept MUSLIMS ARE NOT SUPRA HUMAN NOR SUPER HUMANS.thus should try to do what rest of humanity does, that is GET ON WITH LIFE.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 1:14 am
I agree with every word that you have said. I have noticed that Brits are in forefront of appeasing muslims. Sometimes I feel they beat India hands down when it comes to appeasing muslims.

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shan Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 3:27 am
@Rajeev, being somebody immersed in no less a complex intellectual exercise as LOGIC AND ALGORITHM, you should appreciat these BRITS are also the shrewdest.AL-Yamaha arms deal with SAUDI is worth 8 BILLION POUNDS. That a certain woman of pakistani extraction called SAYEEDA WARSI ,a vice chairman of the ruling party , has been invited as a special guest at the OIC conference HAS BEEN HAILED BY THE MANDARINS AT WHITEHALL AS A MAJOR COUP.
germans may make good cars , japanese electronics BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OIL , BRITS AND YANKS HAVE A BAAP KA MAAL HOLD ON ISLAMIC OIL, like brunei, middle east etc,and NOW SOUTH SUDAN, deliberately cleaved out for only one reason OIL.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Shan,
By the grace of god, I work in a industry that is actively fighting to uphold freedom of downtrodden. So whenever I see terrorists blown to pieces, I get immense satisfaction.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:10 am
shan muslims never discuss hinduism or indians.of course people like sachin or ash are praised.why u people are worried so much

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TUNISIAN AND LIBYAN making perilous journey to land in EUROPE.no job at home

they tried in begining but returned or forced to return when they found that condition in europe is no better than their country,libya can purchase 20%of europe.libyans might be victim of war.
syeeda warsi is from up india not pakistan.followers of haji waris ali shah of barabanki are called warsi.sai baba is also warsi.brhmns converted him into hindu god and started minting gold.he was muslim and had no divine power.but for a crowd who is always ready to be fooled
evrerything is god.
islam has great attraction iraq and afghanistan even missionaries have not gone.indonesia was never ruled by muslims.
it is only christianity which used forced to convert people.creation of hindu samaj (hinduism is not religion)was first big terrorist act on our soil.people were forced to accept their lower position.

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shan Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@tejender , you should realise in this age of net , you cannot post falsehood and get away with it.
This is about sayeeda warsi from wikipedia
Warsi was born in Dewsbury, West Riding of Yorkshire in 1971, to Pakistani immigrants from Bewal, Gujar Khan, the second of five daughters.

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tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:47 am
origin is indian her father safdar hussain sounds indian shia.migrated to pkistan.

tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
u cannot win the soul.can occupy nation.read hizbollah,how they fight.they fight to die.

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tajender

Jews & “Jews of India” 55 m. dollar plan to brain damage UP Dalit kids?

Bangalore: This is a warning to Mayawati in particular and the Dalits of UP in general: the world’s topmost zionist Jew accused of spreading the deadly virus of AIDS in Africa and killing millions of Blacks, has come to India to destroy the Dalit children of UP and Bihar.

Bill Gates of the Microsoft, called the world’s richest person and a Jew, is the cousin of the “Jews of India”.

we had given the warning about Bill’s “sudden love for the slaves of India”. Why the two enemies of humanity, specially the Brahminist oppressors are taking so much of interest in the Dalits whom they consider as the deadliest enemy?

Bills wife Melinda Gates’ interview to the Editor of the Hindu, India’s premier Brahminical daily (March 29, 2010), confirms our fear that the Jews and the “Jews of India” — the twin enemies of humanity — are up to some dangerous game in their sudden love for UP’s Dalit children.

The report says Melinda met Mayawati and discussed her Foundation’s plan to spend $55 million in UP to reduce the death rates of under 5-year-old Dalit children. A biological warfare against Dalits?

Dalits from UP may say when millions of dollars are coming for our benefit why we should criticise it? The fact is why the enemies have suddenly fallen in love with Dalits whom they so intensely hate? Why the anti-Dalit Hindu is so excited about the project? Why so many Brahmins hailed the Melinda “Gate-crash” into UP as a god-sent gift?

How such an important report announcing a $55 million project to UP was published only in one paper which has no circulation in UP? Why even the top govt. circles in UP are silent on it? Why so much of secrecy? Why the enemy takes so much interest in our dying children even as they are silently enjoying our slow death?

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http://- Rajeev

The people like Zia and Shafi should understand that Islam as a religion is out of sync with modern time. If we start applying Islamic laws, then most of the muslims will be living desert life of 7th Century.

The need of the hour is to bring in moderation and basically disregard Quranic verses (NOT DELETE IT) that are in conflict with current global scenario.

There is lot of junk in hindu, christian etc. holy books but we all have learnt to ignore such stuff and live peacefully with others. May be except for muslims and christian, no one raises the flag of SUPERMACY because rest of us are pragmatic and understand that our forefathers who founded the religion were not fully intellectually evolved. A religion has to change with time else it will die a natural death just like Greek and Roman religion.

We hindus call hinduism eternal religion because we have capacity to take a critical view of our religion. Today practices of Sati, child marriage, polygamy, brahminic ritualism, caste system are looked down. We write critique of Rama and Krishna and question their action without any fear. This is called freedom. Ours is not a perfect religion but the kind of freedom it offers is unparallel. We won’t kill you if you mocked our gods because we know that our religion will stay whether gods stay or not.

The choice is yours…You can continue to be a muslim but your need not be like a Nazi supermacist. No one is going to take your right to practice your faith. If someone questions actions of Mohammad, why should you get offended. Non-muslims have right to question mohammad because he is not their prophet. You are bound by his diktat but we are not.

You should visit WIKIISLAM and see how muslim are finding truth outside Islam. Some have decided to remain muslim but a peaceful one and some have embraced other ideologies.

Expand your worldview…The era of Islamic empires is long gone..If you don’t change, you will perish.

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Raju Kurien Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Rajeev

For whom the bell tolls!

For Tajender, the world problems are due to Brahmins and jews..and westerns..Muslims can never do any thing wrong.Ahmadiyas, Hindus, Shias, etc in Pakistan are killed by RAW, Mosad, CIA . Mumbai 11/26 is by Brahmins..Sati and Devdasi systems still prevalent in India..9/11 perpetrated by Jews..Jew and Brahmins control India…

No wonder this blog is ignored by many. SKS, Gopi, Bobby etc never shows up anymore

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Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
All I did was to show the mirror to my brothers – despite great progress & development made by us, there are many areas in which we have to improve. And, although there is much criticism of Muslims and Arabs throughout the world, the security of their women, education, health and life expectancy have improved a lot over the years. As far as crimes are concerned, in this area too Muslim countries are fortunate to have a much lesser rate of crime as compared to non-Muslim western or eastern countries. You can cry hoarse (and I will join the chorus) about violence and bomb explosions in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Palestine – these are troubled areas where war is being waged by you-know-who.
There is no need to scream murder, call me names, or sharpen your knives. Either work to improve our society or shut your big mouth.

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Raju Kurien Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Shafi

You cannot get away that easily. “violence, bomb explosions…..in Pakistan, Afghanistan where war is waged by you-know-who”…

War is waged on “infidels” by MUSLIMS.. Zia-al-Haq “converted” Pakistan to what it is now..a Salafi monster killing Ahmadiya, Shia, Hindu, christian, berelvis…Pakistan, from almost day 1 was under military rule, and dont blame America for that

Situation of women — who is bombing girls schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan..last time I looked at, it was Muslims

Hope is always good–but cannot be a strategy

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Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
I have never cited Pakistan as being a model Muslim society – oh God, what a joke. So why should I defend Pakistan? They are one of the most ignorant people on earth, who neither care to read nor follow what they do read.
You have to look far away from Pak/Afghanistan to learn about Muslim societies. Pakistan & Afghanistan are still under the influence of hinduism – LOL.

Raju Kurien Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Shafi

That is a piece of info — “pakistn is under the influence of hinduism”……Ohhohoho.. So that is why they are killing Hindus and Christians there..That is why they ahve the “blasphemy” law..taht is why they are rewriting their history taht they are the descendents of Arab (And rare mention to partition anymore?)

Get a life.. believe in what you want–after all, majority of the world, except Muslims in many Muslim countries, live free. You live in a free country.. so believe in waht you want, youa re also free to believe in other gods, other people,

Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Raju,
After reading Shafi, I am convinced that every muslim is potential terrorist. They simply can not think logically.
He says pakistan is under the influence of hindus..is he rubbing salt on wounds of hindus or is he really convinced that 1% of the hindus control pakistan?

In both the cases, he comes out as nutcase just like Tajender.

L Mirza Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Shafi-

Looks like you re drinking your own “kool-aid”.
Progress is good. Let us hope progress continues.
Arab and middle eastern world hasmajor issues – educational deficit, gender deficit, freedom deficit. All theseare well-documented under Arab Human development (UNDP) done by Arab scholars. A major depravity is in thenumber of books published in Arabic language – both original and translations. The number of books published for 1 billion people is something like 20% of books publihed in Indian regional languges (spoken by 60 million, say in Tamil, or 25 million, say in Maayalam, or telugu etc) in the last forty years.

Arabs are finally, Arabs are claiming their freedom from autocrats and kings– Let us hope it succceeds.

Good things should be admired. However, for Indian muslims, root is India and not Saudi Arabia (may be for Pakistanis, hehe). Unless we accept our forfathers were here before the Prophet (PUBH), and they belonged to dharmic, vedic , or Hindu, or whatever was the prevalent philosophy of the region, we will always be in the “proving, comparing, us/them” mode. There is no need for that. ,

Let us accept that an open mind is better than a closed mind.

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Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Brothers, the problem is simple: Since I have dared to say that Muslim societies are relatively better on some counts than many non-muslim eastern (including India) or western countries, knives are out to get me.
I scrutinise India because it is my country, I criticise Indians because they are my brothers. I cry about our systems because they concern us all. Why should I criticise Arabs or any other foreigner? In what way am I concerned with them and what relation do they have with me? I consider myself Muslim, you too consider me as one – but the racist Arabs would not just accept me as a Muslim because I don’t speak Arabic! So what affinity could I be having with them, apart form the universal brotherhood concept that Islam teaches. After all, the whole mankind is just one – it is simply divided, I think, for the sake of identification or demonizing some as it suits one. Just preen in the mirror and either use the Photoshop or do something constructive about the reflected image. Don’t call me names – thats futile and uncalled for too.

Shoeb K Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Shafi-

You could have used (and should use in future) countries like Singapore, South Korea, USA, Germany,Brazil etc if your aim was to “raise” your Indian bretheren. Middle East oil kingdoms are not countries; they are personal properties, and those comparisons are meaningless.

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Shafi,
“Why should I criticise Arabs or any other foreigner? ”

You are actually praising them and criticizing hindus in particular. After getting exposed, you are trying to change track.

You have demonstrated that you are more into Ummah than India so all this half-hearted explanation will cut no ice here.
L Mirza

Shafi

We all think too much of ourselves –like our sh– does not smell…..

Country after country in the West are passing rules saying enough is enough.. Angela Mrkel and one of her senior cabinet colleague openly stated the dangers posed by Muslims who refuse to be Germans.. that they are not interested in education, that they want to live in their ghettos etc etc..ditto in France–ditto in UK

I do not think there is much respect for us as Muslims in any non-Muslim country. Of course, as Indian, Indian Muslims may be at a respected plane.

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Balwinder Sandhu

ZIAUDDIN- JUST STICK TO THE POINT
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please you answer simple question- was there any country in the world, muslim or otherwise, which had starvation like poverty in 1947 and has made a bigger progress than India

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
china.india was in better condition than others.we had largest pool of english educated people.i wrote u kualampur was village when delhi was vibrant city.jakarta was no where.dubai did had one good street cairo was nothing.
japan was licking the wounds of 2 nuclear bombs.germany was destroyed completely.russia was totally destroyed after 2 world wars and a bloody civil wars on their soil.list is long.

even delhi dont have water or electricity.and rape capital of world.

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tajender

pankaj brhmnsm ka aur ghareebe aur jehalat ka choli daman ka saath.outside india muslims have defeated u people in every sphere of life.in gulf countries where competition is even u are loosing everywhere.

India suffers eternally in the hands of the troika of Marvadi’s, Gujju’s & Brahmins. The Big three have made India suffocate & suffer by their unethical ways throughout the history. Put together they add up to 8 to 9% of Indian population and hold more than 90% of Indian money, power and other resources. Socially, Educationally, Economically they have always been very powerful & superior to the remaining masses of India. Indian Economy is in the hands of Marvadi’s. They hold most of the Indian businesses. It is surprising to see only one community flourish in businesses, generations after generations. These people do not eat mutton but suck the blood out of people. They have mistaken cheating & manipulations for entrepreneurship. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in business outside India but not in India. Sabeer Bhatia and others in Silicon Valley are great examples. Non-marvadi Indian can succeed in Indian Business with Non-Indian clientele. Infosys & other big & small software companies are live examples. However, a Non-Marvadi cannot succeed in Indian business Environment whereas a Marvadi can easily succeed with their competence in manipulatuions and machinations without really having the real competence, technical or otherwise. Right from adultering milk & other food items in a grocery shop, duping customers with non-standard items for branded items, to the big industrialists evading taxes, a Marwadi is involved everywhere in cheating this Nation.
They have mastered the trick of greasing palms of ever greedy politicians & bureaucrats to ensure the unethical & illegal businesses & methods are ignored by the people in Power. Business are shared within their community irrespective of cost and quality to ensure firm hold on business & economy with the Marvadi’s. Every attempt is made to kill the entrepreneurship from other communities. Businesses given to Non-marvadi’s will suffer Non-payment OR late payments to the point of closure of the others business. Employees in Marvadi firms are treated like slaves. The most qualified, intelligent and effective of the Employees have to work under low educated marvadi, appointed by the owner, as their boss, who keeps on learning from them and bossing over them at the same time, without giving exposure, value addition, or avenue to move ahead in the company. Once a person enters a Marvadi company, his learning stops and has to remain clerk forever, even if he is a Professional. With no addition in knowledge, he cannot venture outside the company and has to live a life of stagnated pond. Marvadi’s are destroying the intelligent and educated middle class just because this class is entrapped in home loans and other such loans. Earlier they cheated people by lending money at exorbitant interests and grabbed farming lands & other properties worth crores of rupees. A parallel economy with black money is run by the same community
The unethical ways of Marvadi’s are destroying people and the Nation. Gujju’s are aptly represented by people like Harshad Mehta and Ketan Parekh. Recent killings of innocent men, women & children from minorities can give a peep into the minds of Gujju’s where they are in majority. The same Gujju’s have driven out Maharashtrians from Mumbai to the far outskirts of Mumbai. Mumbai has been grabbed by Gujju’s. It is only the Parsi’s who do business in India very ethically and with a lot of social commitment & ecological responsibility. They have tremendous respect from every Indian.

Brahmins blocked the education for others ensuring no competition. Brahmins have hold on Educational Institutions, Software companies, administrative jobs in Govt. & Lucrative posts in Private companies. Once a Brahmin enters an Organistaion, he slowly makes it the Brahmin Organisation, by employing everyone from his own caste. Where are others? They are peons, clerks, vegetable vendors, street cleaners, farm labourers, construction labourers, low level workers in factories and doing rest of the menial jobs. The suppression of masses continues in one form or the other.

These three communities are the ardent supporters of BJP & the RSS. They are blinded by their self interests, least bothered about the Nation. Indulging in the superiority on Indian masses forever, they have been curse to the Indian masses.

The new found mantra of Hindutva was a master stroke to deflect the attention of masses from the real issue of disparity & in equality to the non-issue of religion. Pitting one religion against another OR one caste against another are their strategic moves. It is indeed barbaric to fight each other just because the other is born in different religion or different caste. But that serves the purpose of these communities. Indian economy, businesses and education is in their hands. The masses should realise the intentions of the saffronites whose real masters are in this troika and instead of indulging in barbaric fights we should make every effort to uplift the masses to dizzying heights to be equal if not more equal to this troika, who have inflicted the greatest of injuries to the masses and this Nation.

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tajender Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
janab ravi saheb waiting ur expert comment.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Mr.Shafi’s replies are indication of disease that ails muslim mind. An imperfect religion unwilling to change can produce only these kind of people.

I am concerned that now people belonging to Barelvi sect are behaving like deobandis. The recend murder of Salman Taseer in pakistan by a barelvi is clear indication of such malaise.

The west and dharmic counties are giving muslims longest rope possible but it looks like muslims are hell bent on abusing this tolerance. No wonder muslims understand the language of George Bush…Daisy cutters in action..

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shan

@MAHESH your riposte to mr shafi , had these lines
My own sense is – even the Ram-Janmabhoomi / Rathyatra episode of late eighties and early nineties gained currency due to economic stagnancy Indians – particularly the middle class – we were facing.
I am not sure I can be as sanguine as you . Remember this RAJIV GANDHI era , the time when INDIRA SOCIALISM is being jettisoned in favour of MARKET ECONOMY. I read somewhere Mr Prem Shankar Jha , who said same thing happened in Germany when it first started to industrialise . This is the time when Nazism made its appearance . If you recall the greatest patron of Rath jatra vis a vis BJP were the BANIA or the grocer class , as i am informed by the newspapers. In fact my feeling is THERE WAS GROUND BEING PREPARED for this sudden upsurge of NATIONALISM, which CONgress could not address. Why this demand for nationalism , THE SOAP OPERA , RAMAYAN /MAHABHARAT , the sensation of that period with the recent introduction of COLOUR TV.
Or is it the gaddari by the sikh body guards , the sikh secceconism , all gave hindus a herd mentality.

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shan Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Oh yes this also the time of “jaisi lagi agan ” fame ANUP JALOTA which must have had massive influence in stoking hindu passions.

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http://- Rajeev

Milind deora is more concerned about COMMUNAL HARMONY than actual bomb blasts and victims. Kya politics hai…

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Rajeev Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
I’d like to ask Zia and Shafi what stops them from questioning these verses from Quran-

1. Fight non-Muslims
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”
Qur’an 9:29

2. A woman inherits half of what a man inherits
“Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.”
Qur’an 4:11

3. A woman’s witness testimony is half of that of a man’s
“O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things.”
Qur’an 2:282

4. A man may marry the wife of his adopted son
“Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way.”
Qur’an 33:4

5. Turned into Apes
“And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: “Be apes—despised and hated by all. Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people.”
Qur’an 2:65

6. A man can have sex with prisoners of war
“O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
Qur’an 33:50

7. A man can marry a girl who hasn’t reached puberty
“Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.”
Qur’an 65:4

8. A man may marry four wives
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
Qur’an 4:3

9. “Cut off their hands”
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
Qur’an 5:33

10. “Beat Them”
“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
Qur’an 4:34

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http://- Rajeev

Here is picture of Zia kind of person holding chopped hands
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/File:Hands-cut.jpg

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Gopi Thomas Reply:
July 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Rajeev

Professor Joseph’s hand was chopped off complying with Sharia law, administered by secret Sharia courts in kerala, run by NDF (reincarnation of SIMI). Investigations found out therew eer three Sharia courts dispensing justice in the state.

Professor Joseph’s hand was chopped off when he was coming back with his sister from the Sunday church service.

Several peopel have been arrsted in connnection with this, including a doctor.

Achuthanandan, thee x Marxist CM disclosed that the police found foreign money connections and documents indicating how Kerala can eb made into an “islamic county” in 30 years.

The investigation was handed over to NIA. 20 people have been arrested so far.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:25 am
What has govt. done about NDF? These 20 persons will be acquitted under the new govt. dominated by muslims.
Your kerala is now a lost cause because muslims are in firm control of its destiny. The hindus and xtians have no choice but to meekly sumbit to the will of keralite Jehadis.

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S Singh Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 1:27 am
Rajeev — yup, these guys all vote as a block for Muslim League which is a congress partner.

And they have a Muslim district that breeds and breeds. I read somewhere the state had four additional seats this year; all in the Muslim district because of the population explosion there..
Gopi may be able to shed some light

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 1:45 am
Mr.Singh,
The muslims have consolidated behind Islamic parties in Assam and Kerala after Kashmir. It will happen in UP too. India is headed for a very difficult future. We are going back to 1940s when muslims demanded more than they deserved.
The recent clamour for reservation for muslims is step in this direction. The only way to stop this is to remove congress from power. The need of the hour is to contain muslim separatism and fundamentalism.

Gopi Thomas Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Congress would not have won in Kerala without the Muslim support. IUML delivered for Congress; they won 21 of the 24 seatsthey contested. Although congress’ Oomen Chandy is the CM, the real power is with “ice cream parlour case” Kunjali kutty, the IUML leader. There is a case still pending about Kunjali Kutty, involving a major rape case dubbed “ice cream parlour case”. There is also a related case of two girls dying in mysterious circumstances.

Such is the plight of Congress! Christians, who used to vote for Congress or its ally kerala congress, did not vote for them in unison this time, mainly disgusted at the congress alliance. KM Mani and his kerala Congress (a predominently Christian party) used to get 15-20 seats; and they won only 9 seats this time.

tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:55 am
his christian school also kicked him out for being notorious.

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Ravi

This morning’s news covered the fourth day of Protestant rioting in Northern Ireland, and as I commuted to my work the mindlessness of this riot, after a decade of peace, played on mind.

Soon after reached my work, I heard the news that 3 terrorist bombs had exploded in Mumbai. As more details filtered through it became clear that 20 innocent Indians had lost their lives and countless people were injured lying in hospital.

Devastating news like this makes ones emotions go up and down like a rollercoaster ride, I felt anger, I wanted to nab the terrorists and shoot them with my gun, I wanted to understand WHY, why innocent people, what did they do, and many many more questions like this randomly appear in ones mind.

One feels the urge to tell some one and discuss it. This lightens the load a little bit, but it does not console the restless spirit.

In times like this, I reach for my music player and play the following shabad.

I would like to share it with you.

नारायन नरप्त नमशकारे

ऐसे गुर को बल बल जाईं हैँ

आप मुक्त मौहे तारे

कवन कवन, कवन गुन कहीये

अन्त नहीँ पिच्छपारे

लाख लाख, लाख कइ कौरे

तोहे ऐसो बिचारे

भिसम भिसम, भिसम पई है

लाल गुलाल रगां रे

कहो नान्क सन्तन रस आई हे

ज्योँ चाख गुंगा मुसका रे

जय हिन्द

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tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
good one i appreciated.

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Dr Mishra, UK

Bomb blasts in Mumbai again today. I AM FURIOUS- same old comments by Indian face bookers – sack the CM, Home minister etc. The y have MISSED THE BLOODY POINT
They are concentrating on sympt, not disease. A densely overpoulated country with a million mutinies within (hindu-muslim, Maoists, etc to name a few) cannot be made 100% safe till this alarming population is not controlled and these mutinies becalmed

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Dr Mishra, UK Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:49 am
Concentrate on getting population down, Chinese style, for the next 30 years. Then see ‘economic growth’ and ‘education’ solve most problems. If you cant do it- then suffer. From Naxalites to Khalistan, to Kashmir, to Islamic terror to Maoists- we will keep taking hit after hit

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tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
chines are facing big problem.their youths are going to vietnam to get women.beijing had the population of 1 crores(suppose)now 50 lacs.50 lacs have to come from outside.america is facing same problems.u brhmns are reaching to the verge of extinction,as yr ladies prefer enjoying life to pain of bringing out children.

3 thousans year before also in vedic goverment,ministry of religous affair was mor important than governence.in china ministry of administrative goverence was most important goverence was most omportant.

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Dr Mishra, UK Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:49 am
why blame leaders, blame us. India is right now a country where each man to himself. We all become doctors, lawyers MBA, accountants or WE EMIGRATE. Bacha kaun leader banne ke liye- Amar Singh Dalla and Digvinash Singh. No cure- learn to take hit after hit- I am furious

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Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
These shameful blasts which killed scores of fellow human-beings and injured hundreds have not only destroyed their lives – they have also destructed the on-setting mood which the holy month of Ramazan brings with it – a month when people busy themselves in peacefully praying and fasting for their spiritual cleansing. For most people and especially Mumbaikars, this year’s Ramazan is going to give a tough time instead of a peaceful month.
There are so many mercenaries around, such Supari blasts can be arranged by any tom, dick and harry for whatever purpose they may have. It can only be a politically-motivated diversionary one, what with the Lok Sabha about to meet in the month of August. These bomb blasts would also provide the Opposition with some ammunition to kick *** of the UPA. Myriad goals, as many criminals.

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shan Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
@Ziauddin you speak like Zia ul Haque, THE SAME DENIAL THE SAME TAQUIYA, no wonder muslims are in the state that they are in.
shan

Guys there is an editorial in the bengali newspaper Ananda Bazar Patrika. It was about a news from pakistan. A HINDU couple took saat phere in front of journalist at the press club of pakistan in karachi to draw attention to their plight. APPARENTLY HINDUS CANNOT REGISTER THEIR MARRIAGE IN PAKISTAN, thus easy prey to abduction and forced conversion and also scuttled from inheriting husband’s property.

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tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Pakistan’s principal natural resources are arable land and water. About 25% of Pakistan’s total land area is under cultivation and is watered by one of the largest irrigation systems in the world. Pakistan irrigates three times more acres than Russia. Agriculture accounts for about 23% of GDP and employs about 44% of the labor force. Pakistan is one of the world’s largest producers and suppliers of the following according to the 2005 Food and Agriculture Organization of The United Nations and FAOSTAT given here with ranking:

Chickpea (2nd)
Apricot (4th)
Cotton (4th)
Sugarcane (4th) (National Juice of Pakistan)
Milk (5th)
Onion (5th)
Date Palm (6th)
Mango (7th) (National fruit of Pakistan)
Tangerines, mandarin orange, clementine (8th)
Rice (8th)
Wheat (9th)
Oranges (10th)
Pakistan ranks fifth in the Muslim world and twentieth worldwide in farm output. It is the world’s fifth largest milk producer. Agriculture is the back bone of Pakistan’s economy

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Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
And you are Indian…

You forgot to add-
Terrorism (1st)

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Shoeb K Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Yes, land of honey and milk!

tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
in this field they are no.1 but they are victim of geo-political power game of world power
Balwinder Sandhu

SHAN YOU FR KING *** HOLE
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Here Mishraji, Rajeev and Ravi have started a discussion on Mumbai bomb blasts and you are saying something on a hindu couple marrying in Pakistan.
Are you just plain STUPID, have you no sense of timing or sensitivity? India is being ripped apart but all you are interested in is your obsessive blogging- the need to say something inane.
That you claim to be a doctor depresses me.
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Sack this Ghafoor and his colleagues- commisioner of Police – and put KPS Gill in charge

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shan Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
@Balls scratcher Bhondhu, did you watch last weeks Dispatches in Chanel4. It showed how folks EXCLUSIVELY FROM YOUR BIRADRI land from the back of a lorry and THEN LIVE LIKE RATS IN GARDEN SHEDS IN SOUTHALL , yet have to pay the landlords of your biradri 100 pounds per months.
I WAS APALLED EVERYTIME JOHN SNOW KEEP SAYING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM INDIA , should have said illegal sikh immigrants from punjab
http://xml.channel4.com.dl1.ipercast.net/dispatches.rss

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Binoy Hegde

In India, neiher the government nor the public cares about its citizenns’ death through terorism and governrnent negligence.

The usual statemnet after a terrris act is “Mumbaikars are resilient, they will pick up their lives and proceed”

A train accident kills 60 or so – due to poorly maintained tracks. The minister even refuses to visit the site.

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tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
this gruesome act of terror is carried out by hindu terrorist with following objectives,

1.ignite hindu muslim riots.
2.disturb peace talk between india and pakistan.
3.put pressure on goverment to release their brothers languishing in various jails in india on terrorism charges.
4.help their brothers in police to round up muslims and make good money from them as per instructions of manusmiriti.
5booty will be divided between media,goverment servants,police and politicians.that is why names of im simmi huji and let have started appearing.few of them dont exist at all.

in last attack 26/11 few objectives could not be achieved.especially hindu-muslim riot.

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Raju Kurien Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
venomous Tajender

Why cannt Muslims do these same things for similar objectives? Why do you box Hindus only? And, what i s your real gut feeling? The most likely culprits will be Muslims…

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Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Raju,
This guy believes 9/11 was done by jews so why do you take this joker seriously?

These people have a wonderful story on Osama too…Muslim mind is fertile mind but all it grows it garbage.

tajender Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
raju kurien,bombs are planted by those who are competing for power.muslims will not do as they are not competing for power.only those hinduse who want to take the control of power will do it .it is power game nothing to do with hi ndu or muslim.

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
There is your proof!!! Some people never disappoint you.

Rajeev Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Binoy,
The life is cheap in India so don’t expect anything to change in foreseeable future.

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pankaj#1

Tajender;
You Pakistani muslim, though you are not worth talking, tell me, why you muslim goons are not worth being persued and hunted like vermins. You have taken enough advantage of democracy and modern civilization to persue your nefarious design, having got stuck in 7 century era, behaving like tribals and showing your village cunningness. You people can be exterminated in next to no time, but always appealing to human values, democracy etc. etc.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Pankaj,
Tajender is a village idiot but what about so-called fake liberal Zia. His views are almost identical to Jehadi elements. Why are these kind of elements working in Indian media?

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tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 10:32 am
rajeev i dont want to indulge with u so pls keep urslf away.i can awnser all ur blogs but i m avoiding as u are also believer of roohaniyat.

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tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
RAJEEV I AM HAPPY TO NOTE THAT U ARE WORKING AMONG POORS.u can depend on my help if needed.

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tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 11:24 am
, tell me, why you muslim goons are not worth being persued and hunted like vermins

PANKAJ,if u can i can do as well hamne chudiya to nahin pahni hain.actually brhmsnt has to be sent to their fatherland america.where u have gone after studying on huge subsidy paid by poor indian tax payers.u are useless for indians.

there is more (Johnnie Walker) Red Label consumed in the average small Indian town than is produced in all of Scotland. When it comes to three things… black market, counterfeiting and corruption we are the world champions. If they were included in the Olympic Games, India would always win gold, silver and bronze in those three

In Hindu India, only the Bhoodevatas get all the awards. And we get only brickbats and death threats.
killing entire universe and depopulate this is final zoinist brhmnst aim.for which they are working together since a century.
600 plus riots happenend in india pepetuators of bomb blasts founnd to be sacred brhmns.now languishing in jails.

socialist brhmns are also no less, i like the “Sacred Brahmins” because they speak out the Truth but “Socialist Brahmins” like Nehru, Gandhi etc. are sheer humbugs.

RSS leaders Sudarshan and H.V. Seshadri told the absolute truth about Jinnah. We must believe them. Gandhi, Rajaji, Nehru and Patel were those who actually conspired to partition India. These crooks perpetrated this crime with British help.

better to fight on merit than race or religion.i am against brhmnsm as it is hurting india keeping us poor.not brhmns .
with muslims u cannot win if we decide to fight.can see the end of ur father in iraq and afghanistan.indian muslims wants to live in peace but brhmnst always provocate and kill them and incite hindus for political power.

now these days are over as well as india is gradually becoming colony of american corporates.
that is why so much hue cry on 2002 mascare of muslims in gujrat.fascists were doing this 30th time.
hate is ur duty and lie staple food.ur awnser to dr shafi was full of stupidities that is why he refrained from awnsering this.

PANKAJu say , having got stuck in 7 century era, behaving like tribals and showing your village cunningness. You people can be exterminated in next

bs and things are otherway around u have converted in dia into jurrasic park where funny animals and mens are worshipped everywhere.

The only reason the brhmnsts are holding on to Kashmir at the cost of the country is to rouse the ‘majority Hindus” against “minority” Muslims. But in the process the Brahminists are only destroying India. But “whose father’s what goes?” Brahminists have already said they don’t belong to India and hence don’t love India. As the Bahujans have been mentally crushed and made voiceless, the rulers may temporarily ride the waves with the Kalmadis,rajas looting the crores.padmaswami hiding billions. But how long this can continue?

WAITING UR REPLY.

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Dr Mishra, UK

Let us pay a tribute to Mr Sunder Singh Bisht, a resident of Uttarakhand who came to Mumbai decades ago for rozi-roti. He was present on on previous 2 blasts but survived. Must be the world’s unluckiest man, that when he stepped out from work to eat vada paav with friends, he got hit again.

I believe he is critical and unlikely to survive.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/mumbai-blasts-1993-2003-zaveri-bazar-blast-survivor-critically-injured/1/144871.html

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tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
accept my condolences.

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Balwinder Sandhu

Mishraji, tears in my eyes. India is in the mess that it is because it is divided. This blog has these characters and at their feet I lay the blame for the death of Mr Bisht-
Ravi- masquerading first as hindu, then as sikh. Abuses hindu gods, abuses anyone who exposes Islamic jehad
Tajender aka ramavtar
Shan- hates all things Indian with a vengeance – actually proud to be a Nirad Chowdhry clone
Ziauddin Shafi- says Pakistan and Afghanistan is in a mess because of ‘hindu’ residual influence
———————
PSEUDO F CKING SECULARS AND NIHILISTS AND SELF HATERS AND SELF DOUBTERS

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Balwinder Sandhu Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
THOSE WHO MISSED THIS TRAGIC POST-
Dr Mishra, UK says:
July 15, 2011 at 11:54 am
Let us pay a tribute to Mr Sunder Singh Bisht, a resident of Uttarakhand who came to Mumbai decades ago for rozi-roti. He was present on on previous 2 blasts but survived. Must be the world’s unluckiest man, that when he stepped out from work to eat vada paav with friends, he got hit again.

I believe he is critical and unlikely to survive.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/mumbai-blasts-1993-2003-zaveri-bazar-blast-survivor-critically-injured/1/144871.html

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Ravi Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Balwinder

I said I was a Hindu and I stand by that statement.

I said that I was a mona Sikh, I stand by that statement and I see no contradiction with the first statement.

I also said that you are a congenital moron a, challa Sikh, who presents himself as a village harlequin. I stand by that statement.

For a long time I have stayed away from personal abuse but you seem to want to re-start it. One can only surmise that you enjoy it.

You asked for it, you got it.

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Raju Kurien Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Ravi, Pakistani

You are a Pakistani.. You said you were born in Sialkot and driven away by Hindus to India…(obviously a slip of the tongue, “driven” to Sialkot during partition)

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Ravi Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Raju

When did I say that. You said that not me.

I said to Vijay, like his, my family were refugees from Sialkot. I was born in Dehradun after the partition.

Driven by Hinus and all stuff like that is your invention.

But then there is nothing new in that, is there?

However, MMS was born in that part of India which is now in Pakistan and converselt Parvez Musharaf was born in Delhi.

RajX Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Ravi is a “liberal Hindu” from Pakistan who is sometimes a liberal Sikh. It all depends on his mood.

tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
ravi a sikh cannot be hindu.hindu enjoys circus of 33 crores devtas many are under construction like multi-storey towers of bombay.

ur first word is EK OMKAR yanee god is one.what a cheap and mean people they are.awnser
the blog.
ramavtar hai, hindu hai, jamna pari brhmn hai ,army se bhaga hua sikh hai bagair poonch ka kutta hai,.kya shadi rachani hai.jo baat hai uska jawab do.

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RajX Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 2:01 am
Ravi, the “liberal Hindu” who supports illiberal islamist jihadis and shows contempt for “his own” Indian and Hindu culture. . A wonderfully complex character. I hope all that complexity doesn’t make his head to explode.

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tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
balwinder jee,

i too was hurt as well.but today hundreds of indians would have committed suicide as well,

Ronay waalon se kaho unka bhi rona ro lein
Jinko tang-i-hallat ne roney na diya

i love the above couplet by ravi.

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Ravi Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Sudarshan Fakir wrote the couplet, humnay to siraf dhoraya hai

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tajender Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
i knmow this but i thought it is also from ghalib.but couplet is great.

tajender Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Two diamond traders – A Hindu, a Muslim – put to rest near each other

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/two-diamond-traders-a-hindu-a-muslim-put-to-rest-near-each-other/205136&cp

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RajX Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 5:21 am
Hmm..don’t they cremate hindus? At least most Hindus cremate their dead. Interesting.
RajX

I am eagerly expecting our Zia’s take on the Mumbai blast. Hope he comes up with something original rather recycling what others have already said. Don’t talk about how to better protect ourselves and all that nonsense. We can leave that to our technocrats since whatever we say anyways is not going to have any effect. Maybe something deeper than that. Maybe the exploration of the mindset of people who do this sort of blasts and things which motivate them to do this would be a more interesting subject.

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Raju Kurien Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 6:46 am
Rajx–

That makes sense. However, did you want him to do this because youa ssume the perpetartors are Muslims? Or can he deal with this in a general framework?

Let us not pinpopint blame on anybody, although statistically odds are stacked against Muslims. At this time there is only one to be blamed – our own government.

And let us also not forget the larger issues – we had 70 people killed because our government, our bureaucrats did not maintan the railway tracks. Every day many get killed because of total negligence by our elected reps and bureaucrats. So, while what happened in Mumbai is quite bad, let us use this occasion to redefine terrorism to include callous negligence and “dont care” attitude of our elected reps. A mother whose son is killed in the rail track accident experiences the same pain as of the mother whose son is killed in Mumbai attack. So, there is no meaning in keeping one at a high threshold if we totally ignore everything else. What is the value of freedom in that case?

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Dr Mishra, UK Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 11:08 am
very we said raju

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tajender Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
i agree

RajX Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Well..the facts are that some individuals working for some group had placed some bombs in a few crowded places and many people have died because of it. Regarding who would have done this, we don’t know at this point but our society was not born yesterday. We have a history of experiencing these sort of blasts and the story behind those blasts and the ideology which drives the perps can’t be ignored. We can act like we were born yesterday and reset our knowledge base every time a terror attack happens to appear to be politically correct but that shows idiocy and not wisdom.

I find most of the things you wrote irrelevant to my post. You are talking about govt incompetence while I am focusing on the ideology of hate which drives people to kill strangers. Two different things. Most of the conversation in forums focus on the incompetence of the govt ignoring the fact that the destructive ideology would still exist irrespective of the level of competence of the govt. Better comprehension skills lead to a better conversation. It’s essential.

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tajender Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 7:16 am
the destructive ideology would still exist irrespective of the level of competence of the govt. Better comprehension skills lead to a better conversation. It’s essential.

are u talking of parivar thinking of hate..who were involved in mascare of christians in orrisa and gujrat,or whose members were involve in bomb planting bussines all over india.later caught and confessed.or who perpetuated hundreds of riots and glorified the killing of hapless innocents.
Gautam Gulati

After reading few posts of Tajender – I ignore most of those – now finally I have understood
what he wants to say. I sincerely thank him for enhancing my world knowledge.
According to him – Since this world came into existence three types of people/castes/communities/
religions also came into existence. Bhrahminsm, Zionism and Muslims. From the day one
brahamins and zionists have always persecuted, subjugated and done all sort of harmful
activities on muslims to not to allow them to progress. Now population of muslims is around 1.5 bilion
and I am not sure how many brahamins and zionists together are there in total may be
Tajender can help me there – may be around 100 mio – and this smallll population is still
able to subjugate all 1.5 bio muslims around the world. I realy pity all these muslims and feel very very sorry for them .
But dont worry your place in heaven is assured as long as you keep on blowing non believers around the world.
.

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tajender Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
gulati add to your knowledge,

CHANAKYA’S ARTHASASTRA & ZIONIST PROTOCOLS ARE THE SAME

Jesus was killed by the Jews (Just as Budha was killed by the vaidiks) and condemned. And had him executed by the Roman Governor of Palestine, which then belonged to Romans.

Henry H. Klein, himself a famous Jew and a top lawyer of New York, says the top secret document, Protocols, was first published in 1897 and again 1905 by a Russian professor. The world famous British Museum, London, had a copy of the secret document from 1906. But India has not so far produced an honest vaidik to expose the treacherous aims of the Arthasastra. For translating the secret book from Sanskrit to English, Shama Sastry of Mysore was punished.

The Protocols outlines the secret zionist conspiracy to destroy the Christian world. The Arthasastra says how to destroy India’s 98% non-Brahmins.

America is controlled by 2% Jews and India by 2% vaidiks.

Jews are called the “Chosen people” and the vaidiks called Bhoodevatas.

The objectives of the Protocols have been fulfilled and also that of Arthasastra in India.

The Protocols is to enslave the Christian world
make them bankrupt and then rule. The Arthasastra has already completed the job.

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Gautam Gulati Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Tajender,

I knew you will help me to increase my knowledge. Thanks.

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RajX Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Tajendar, dude u rock. It’s very rare to come across people with your level of creativity in tying disparate topics together to make it almost cogent and believable. Maybe you should have thrown in Sun Tzu’s Art of War into the mix to make it more interesting since it’s somewhat similar to arthasastra. Why leave the chinese out of this game since they are the worlds bankers? I swear that I would have believed your “presentation” if I had not personally read arthasastra. Good job.

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tajender Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
. I realy pity all these muslims and feel very very sorry for them .
But dont worry your place in heaven is assured as long as you keep on blowing non believers

GAUTAM,u should be pity for christians and hindus as well.most of europe is bancrupt.49%of indian women are anemic.90%of population is mentally crushed.we can not show a single intellectual or scientist of international fame.

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Shoeb K

tajdr– pl get lost

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tajender

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi authorities have beheaded a man convicted of attacking a woman and snapping nude photos of her in order to blackmail her for sex

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tajender

Let us pay a tribute to Mr Sunder Singh Bisht, a resident of Uttarakhand who came to Mumbai decades ago for rozi-roti. He was present on on previous 2 blasts but survived. Must be the world’s unluckiest man, that when he stepped out from work to eat vada paav with friends, he got hit again

Gujarat blast suspect Afzal Usmani’s brother died after questioning by the ATS in the hospital today. Faiz fell sick when he was being questioned in connection with Wednesday’s blasts. According to TV reports he was taken to the nearby Sion hospital where he died. Doctors said that he related stories

dr saheb,

ek do roz ka rona ho to ro lein faakir,

hamko har roz ke sadmaie halat ne rone na diya.

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Mohan R

“” Bangladesh: The better case “” and Pakistan ?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/211531/sikhs-kept-out-of-their-own-temple-for-shab-e-barat/

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tajender Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
they should settle the matter with local muslim population.etpb is accepting their right.both parties should bend a bit.
in half the mosques of delhi muslims are not allowed to pray as per instruction from heritage department.2200 muslim mosques are under illegal occupation in punjab and haryana.

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tajender

TP Sunderarajan, who approached the apex court requesting a stock taking of the gold and jewels stored in the Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple near in Thiruvananthapuram, passed away early Sunday. He was 70. He was suffering from fever for the past two days and was at his home near the temple related stories
Kerala temple petitioner gets eviction notice
SC bars opening of Padmanabhaswamy Temple vaults
Treasure worth $20 bn found, temple still has more
when he died, a source close to him said.

His funeral will take place later in the day, he added

ANOTHER FEATHER IN THE CAP OF BRHMNSTS.

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RajX Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 5:18 am
TP Sunderarajan is a Brahmin.

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tajender Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 7:08 am
brhmns are good but brhmnst are terrorists.

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RajX Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Hahaha..just like Muslims are good but Muslims are terrorists

tajender Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
rajx there are good muslims and some of them use terrorism as weapon to fight foriegn occupation like in afghanistan.in india most of the terrorist are brhmnst.rss,now recognized by usa as well, to be a terrorist organization.they are using terrorism to continue their supermacy in society\and goverment.

The so-called Indian democracy is a reflection of the “million mutinees”, so beautifully portrayed by the Brahmin, V.S. Naipaul. India is not a democracy but a ruthless dictatorship of the Brahminical racists in which even their own people are being suffocated to death.

The entire wealth of India is owned by a less than 10% who do not love this country. The rest of the indigenous people are pushed to the bottom – starving, illiterate, physically weak, sweat labour.
rajx country is exactly like a human being. Imagine a young boy (or girl) whose head alone has been growing with the entire body dwarfed. How can such a person be called a normal human being? India is, therefore, an abnormal creature — physically and mentally handicapped. That is how in all its thinking and action the Brahminical India is abnormal or sub-normal
that is why i say that brhmns too are victim of brhmnsm.

RajX Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Tajender, you should read V.S. Naipaul’s beautiful or some may say scary book called “among the believers” to understand why you say the things you say. You will thank me for it.

“The entire wealth of India is owned by a less than 10%”

Not sure if this is true. Are you saying these 10% are all Brahmins? Most of the billionaires I see are not Brahmins. The reliance guys, the tatas, wipro, UB group etc. I don’t know what you are talking about.

tajender Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
rajx iwill definitely buy and read this.this brhmn from gorakhpur was really genius.but brhmn in him killed genius in him.now married to lahori muslim girl.
all wealth is owned by 10%high caste hindus.share of others are very limited.flow of money should not be hermetically .sealed.like in case of padmaswamy wealth.it was state wealth not temple.should be brought back in circulation by increasing th salaries or some others.culprits should be tried as per indian law.

to hve better future race our women folk should be physically strong .49%of our women folk are enemic.
tajender

mr gautam add to your knowledge more,

आरएसएस के खिलाफ कांग्रेस महासचिव दिग्विजय सिंह ने रविवार को एक बार फिर हमला बोला। उज्जैन में एक कार्यक्रम में हिस्सा लेने यहां आए सिंह ने कहा कि मैं पहले से कहता आ रहा हूं कि देश में आरएसएस आतंक फैलाने के काम में सक्रिय है और उसके पास बम बनाने के कारखाने हैं। साथ ही उन्होंने एक बार फिर यह बात दोहराई कि मुंबई में हुए ताजा आतंकवादी हमले की जांच के दायरे में हिन्दू संगठनों को भी लाया जाना चाहिए। he looks very much correct.

why hindu terrorist roup should not be investigated as well.in past 3years only these groups are involve in bomb blasting and spreading terrorism.

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Rajeev Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Is it possible that Digvijay is leader of Indian Mujahideens? May be IM is front of Congress.

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tajender

doc saheb,ravi,shan and gautam,RSS IS RUNNING BOMB MANUFACTURING FACTORIES,

this is serious charge on rss by digvijay.why goverment is not attacking the premises where these factories are being run.if digvijay is sure it means goverment is sure.he is goverment spokesman.

what u feel about this.

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RajX Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 5:16 am
From what is known of digvijay Singh based on his past conduct, he will call his own mom a terrorist and the real terrorists as patriots if it helps his political carrier

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tajender Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
what digvijay says is correct.

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tajender

raj x pls go through ,America’s Dirty War on Islam – by Stephen Lendman

America’s dirty war, in fact, targets Blacks, Latinos, Native Americans, political activists, and Muslims for their faith, ethnicity, and at times prominence and charity, exploiting them as “war on terror” scapegoats.

On July 9, a Press TV US prison system racket interview highlighted the problem and urgency to address it, accessed through the following link:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/188396.html

America’s media ignore how unjustly it harms millions of disadvantaged people. Instead, they regurgitate spurious high-profile case accusations, always when Muslims are affected. Most often they’re men, occasionally women, bogusly charged with terrorism or conspiracy to commit it, when, in fact, they’re guilty only of being targets of choice and/or being in America at the wrong time.

Why Muslims when, in fact, Islam teaches love, not hate; peace, not violence; charity, not selfishness; and tolerance, not terrorism; or that Islam, Christianity and Judaism have common roots.

Who’d know though in today’s climate of hate and fear at a time America wages global wars on Islam, including at home.

Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame is America’s latest high-profile target, illegally captured, interrogated (and likely tortured) at sea for over two months, based on spurious allegations of Islamic terrorist ties.

Post-9/11, the same pattern repeated ruthlessly against hundreds of innocent victims. Pronounced guilty by accusation, America’s media shamelessly regurgitate fabricated hate charges, not legitimate honest accounts, doing what good journalists should – their job.

On July 5, New York Times writers Charlie Savage and Eric Schmitt headlined, “US to Prosecute Somali Suspect in Civilian Court,” saying:

Obama’s Justice Department will “prosecute (Warsame) in civilian court,” likely “reignit(ing) debate about (whether) to bring newly captured detainees to” Guantanamo, try them before military commissions, or do it “in civilian court.”

While admitting Warsame plotted no attack, and that administration officials gave contradictory accounts of his importance, the article presumed guilt by accusation.

It failed to question whether or not charges are legitimate, let alone his illegal capture, detention, interrogation, and likely torture at sea secretly for over two months.

A same day Karen DeYoung, Greg Miller, Greg Jaffe Washington Post article headlined, “US indicts Somali on terrorism charges,” was just as one-sided, presuming guilt because administration officials say so.

Quoting “human rights attorney” John Sifton, his best shot was saying, “It is not exactly satisfactory, from a legal point of view,” adding “that the Justice Department is better suited to prosecute” than a military tribunal, instead of explaining what authority gives either the right.

In addition, he didn’t question the core guilt or innocence issue or whether Warsame can get due process and judicial fairness in any court, given the circumstances of his capture, charges with no evidence, and America media’s acting as judge, jury and executioner.

On July 5, a Department of Justice (DOJ) press release headlined, “Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula,” saying:

“AHMED ABDULKADIR WARSAME, aka “KHATTAB,” aka “FARAH,” aka “ABDI HALIM MOHAMMED FARA,” aka “FAREH JAMA ALI MOHAMMED” has been indicted on charges of providing material support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (“AQAP”), two designated foreign terrorist organizations, as well as conspiring to teach and demonstrate the making of explosives, possessing firearms and explosives in furtherance of crimes of violence, and other violation.”

In fact, no evidence exists when suspects are charged with providing material support or conspiracy to commit terrorism. Moreover, in 2008, the State Department bogusly designated Al Shabaab a “foreign terrorist organization” like it’s shamelessly done to other groups, scapegoating them for political advantage. More on that below.

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Balwinder Sandhu

ZIA
……………….zia
……………………………………….ZIA

YOUR blog is dead. Where have the pundits gone- ravi, shan, Mishraji, Gopi Thomas, Rizwan, Shoeb, Raju Kurien- Hegde ???????????

answer- they are all at Vinod Sharmas blog. 1 day old and already 100 comments

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and u know why- mindless abuse and this pointless mile long cut and pastes by tajender- ramavtar

ZIA
…………………….YOU GOT TO CENSOR SOMETIME
YOU GOT TO BLOCK SOME PEOPLE SOMETIME
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Gautam Chikermane banned SHAN
Vinod Sharmna banned tajender
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your blog, your choice

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Balwinder Sandhu Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
a bit spooky in here, my voice echoes in the silence hehe

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tajender

sandhu one good mail is better than 10 stupid mails. but u never wrote any good informative mail, hence ur contribution anywhere is almost nil

[Reply]
tajender

sandhu i only challenge those who write bullshit about muslims.

sahn is not banned in gautam blog.he write sometime over there

he is good sometime behave in bad way.with u he has something personal.

u should show magnemity.

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tajender Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 8:16 pm
shan not sahn,

u should show magnemity

u should show more Magnanimity.

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tajender

mishrajee pesh hai ,

tumse dill milne kee sandhu koi bhee surat nahin,
AQLMANDOON KO MOHABBAT KEE ZAROORAT HEE NAHIN,
iske siwa aur kya kahoon, muzhe kisi se gad nahin
kahna tha jo kutch kah deyaa
bakne kee koi had nahin.

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Aaloke

This Blog from being a Group discussion became dialogue and now it is mostly monologue.

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tajender Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 2:23 am
u are right.

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tajender

Aap ke Rongtey kab kab khare ho jate hain, sirf Fake ki shayari sun kar. You have not lamented his absence since long. Tajinder, who admitted to be a pakistani Muslim, constantly trying to widen Indian fault lines, is your gang member

pankaj ,
brhmn
i am thousand time more stronger indian than u .u are a rss man, hate india and indian.only busy in planning intercommunity fight.hate is ur duty and war and voilnce ,an divine act.infant burners rapists.
it is not ur fau.in ur time b-grade mind used to go medicine while a grade to engineering.i am engineer.

sher -o- sheri mein hamein bhee hamein beat nahin kar sakte ho.

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tajender

ravi bhai,

mascare of norway is carried out by rightists and zoinists of norway.wait ur comment.

[Reply]
tajender

benoy hegde,guru chele both are fraud

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सीबीआई जांच में खुलासा हुआ कि बालाकृष्ण की डिग्रिया फर्जी हैं
वाराणसी।। योग गुरु बाबा रामदेव के सहयोगी बालकृष्ण पासपोर्ट विवाद के बाद अब एक नए विवाद में फंस गए है। बालाकृष्ण ने पासपोर्ट बनवाने के लिए जिन एजुकेशनल सार्टिफिकेट्स का सहारा लिया था , वे फर्जी हैं।

इस बात का पता सीबीआई की जांच में चला जब सीबीआई ने संपूर्णानंद संस्कृत विश्वविद्यालय से जारी बालकृष्ण के मार्क्सशीट की जांच करवाई।

बालकृष्ण ने अपनी शैक्षिक योग्यता में संपूर्णानंद संस्कृत विश्वविद्यालय की पूर्व मध्यमा व शास्त्री होने की बात कही थी। उनके प्रमाणपत्रों को लेकर देहरादून के सीबीआई इंस्पेक्टर योगेश सिंहदेव शुक्रवार को संपूर्णानंद संस्कृत विश्वविद्यालय पहुंचे थे। उन्होंने वाइस चांसलर प्रो . बिंदाप्रसाद मिश्र से मिल कर बालकृष्ण की मार्क्सशीट्स वेरिफाई करवाई।

अब देश विदेश की नहीं बल्कि हर तरह की खबर एनबीटी मोबाइल पर भी

वेरिफिकेशन में यह बात निकल कर आई है कि बालकृष्ण की पूर्व मध्यमा द्वितीय वर्ष ( हाईस्कूल के समकक्ष ) रोल नंबर 6118, साल 1991 की मार्क्सशीट फर्जी है। विश्वविद्यालय के रिकॉर्ड में यह रोल नंबर कमला सिंह ( सन ऑफ नरोत्तम सिंह ) का है। इसके अलावा शास्त्री के लिए तृतीय वर्ष ( स्नातक के समकक्ष ) रोल नंबर 101706, साल 1996 की मार्क्शीट भी फर्जी निकली। रिकॉर्ड में यह रोल नंबर लीला प्रसाद भटराई ( सन ऑफ टेक प्रसाद भटराई ) का है।

कुलसचिव डॉ . रजनीश कुमार शुक्ल ने इनकी जांच कर रिपोर्ट सीबीआई इंस्पेक्टर को सौंप दी है। विश्वविद्यालय से रिपोर्ट लेकर सीबीआई अधिकारी उत्तराखंड के लिए निकल पड़े हैं। जांच की पुष्टि प्रो . मिश्र ने कर दी है।

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tajender

A sad day for the TROIKA , Mishra , Bawinder and Rajiv.THE NORWAY SHOOTING IS NOT BY A ISLAMIC EXTREMIST. They are going on a upawaas (Fasting) only DRINKS , red wine for panditji and whisky for Balls and Budweiser for Raj

shan only brhmnst and zoinists are the the secret instigators of all mascares and ethenic cleansing in the world.

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tajender

pakistan is fortifying their cultural heritage while we are busy in destroying ours.These are very challenging times for the Pakistani nation, blessed with national resilience, sense of honour and the civilizational heritage, drawn from the four oldest civilizations of the world – Central Asia, West Asia, South Asia and East Asia (China), with whom it shares common borders. Itself being the ‘Cradle of Indus Civilization’, no other country in the world can boast of such assets, which determine the ‘Geo-historical Blend’ of the Pakistani nation and can rightly be called the ‘Land of the Rainbow Civilization”; yet, these very civilizational assets have so carelessly been sacrificed for the geo-political expediencies of the past. Instead of getting closer to our immediate neighbours, we made friends and allies with the United States of America, a distant land, with whom we share no civilizational values. And for this faulty decision, Pakistan has suffered immensely, during the last five decades. There is a strong realization now to ‘correct the course’ and create a more pragmatic geo-political environment of national security, most suited, to strengthen our civilizational linkages, with our immediate neighbours.

After six decades of conflict and distrust, India and Pakistan now have realized the need to resolve the outstanding issues through dialogue and discussion. The forces of globalization also demand that the existing developed trade and commerce infrastructure between the two countries, which have remained closed for over six decades, must be opened now, for the free flow of trade and commerce between the entire Asian region.

Since 1979, Iran has been subjected to sanctions and embargos by the United States and has been demonized for the alleged weaponisation of its nuclear programme, creating a state of panic amongst its immediate neighbours, who, during the last ten years have purchased military hardware from USA, worth over US$ 150 billions, to face the Iranian threat, yet Iran poses no threat to them. Iran has joined hands with Pakistan to evolve a common strategy for peace and stability in Afghanistan, after the American exit, which is a very healthy development towards strengthening the historic linkage between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is the epi-centre of Global Islamic Resistance, against the forces of aggression, for the last thirty years. It has defeated the Soviets, the Americans and the Europeans and has suffered immensely, yet in their resolve to defeat the mightiest of the mighty, they remain so steadfast, self-composed and confident of their victory, that has unnerved the occupation forces. Conspiracies are therefore being hatched to divide the country and create condition of a civil war, as in 1989, but the Afghans are much wiser now and know how to deal with such machinations. China, now stands solidly behind Afghanistan to protect the civilizational heritage so ruthlessly trampled by foreign invaders.

With the rise of China, the ‘global centre of gravity’ has shifted from the Atlantic to the Pacific and China, now is a factor of stability for the Pacific and Asian regions. Chinese policy of Peace, Cooperation and Engagement, projects Chinese ‘Soft Power’ and neutralizes, without fighting, the American military ‘Hard Power’ vying for global domination and emerges as the most successful policy in today’s multi-polar world. China is a reliable friend of Pakistan. It has stood by Pakistan and is a source of strength, radiating the civilizational virtues of peace and harmony.

Pakistan opted to be an ally of the United States of America who failed to correctly gauge the ‘inner strength’ of the Pakistani nation and tried to play the ‘role of a Master’, changing regimes at will and installing military dictators, who played their game so shamelessly. The break-up of Pakistan in 1971; the war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the immoral decision of the Pakistani government to join the American war against Afghanistan in 2001, turning Pakistan into a ‘rentier states’, happened during the reign of the military dictators. As if this was not enough, USA decided to establish Indian hegemony over the region from Afghanistan to Sri Lanka, trying to beat-down Pakistan to submission, through deceit and conspiracies, pressures and proxy war. Pakistan took the stand, rejecting Indian hegemony and submission to American demands, which happens to be the turning point now, where the new contours of Pak-US relations will be determined, under the geo-historical pull of the old civilizations, determined to banish foreign aggression and establish peace in Afghanistan and the region.

Pakistan’s civilizational heritage and its geo-historical linkages, determine the strength of its inner self. It is a vibrant and diverse society with great deal of resilience, sense of honour and the robustness of mind and soul which provide the guarantee for national security, in all its dimensions. The instruments of power, which help the state to fortify national security are conscious of their responsibilities. The judiciary is struggling hard to establish the Rule of Law in the country. The media is playing its due role to create a ‘State of Awareness’ amongst the people, about the flaws and failings in the system of governance. The armed forces have accepted the supremacy of the civilian rule and support the supreme court of Pakistan for the implementation of their judgments and together with the people of Pakistan are trying to establish the supremacy of the parliament and the civilian rule. No one is talking about the derailment of the existing democratic order, but wants change, remaining within the constitutional limits. These are healthy signs for establishing a robust democratic order.

Pakistani people have shown great deal of patience and perseverance, bearing the appalling conditions of insecurity, lawlessness, inflation, energy crisis and rampant corruption, while the Afghan crisis has added terror, death and destruction in every day life. Things have never been so bad in the past, yet, there is the hope, that out of such depth of sorrow and sacrifice, Pakistani nation will rise to claim its rightful place, as a vibrant, peaceful and progressive nation.

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tajender

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A depraved satanic cult called the Illuminati is waging a covert war against humanity. This is the key to understanding mankind’s tragic history and current predicament.

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The plan does not represent Jews but only a small cabal of bankers who organized in Masonic secret societies. They intermarried with prominent Gentiles and formed a vast occult and criminal underground. They are stealthily
constructing a totalitarian world government behind the facade of democracy.

Taking God’s place, secularism is a transition step to their Satanism. They involve nations in needless wars and enthrall the masses with porn, violence, trivia and toys. They attack our sources of identity and love — God (religion); family (gender); country and race — in order to stymie and dehumanize us.

Sounds incredible, but after reading some of these 90 short essays, you’ll nod in agreement. Their empire is partly based on controlling your mind. If you know the truth, they can’t.

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SATANISM, SOCIAL ENGINEERING, HIDDEN HISTORY

“…We aspire to corrupt in order to govern… We have taken from the people all the gods of heaven and earth…their religious faith, their faith in monarchy, their honesty and their family virtues…”

(Giuseppe Mazzini, 1805-1872, Founder of Italian Freemasonry and the Mafia)

“The objectives of Communism are being steadily advanced … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous, he cannot believe it exists.”
(J. Edgar Hoover, Elks Magazine, August, 1956)

“Man can become enslaved and betrayed by his own thoughts. He has indeed become a mental robot, completely unaware that he is such, and absolutely oblivious to the invisible power that controls him.”
(Helen Peters, “The Union Jack: Masonry and British Israelism” 1970)

“Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial — but democracy and freedom in a strictly Pickwickian [i.e. not literal] sense. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.”
(Aldous Huxley, “Brave New World Revisited” 1958)

“Sarah, if the American people knew the truth about what we Bushes have done to the nation, we would be chased down the street and lynched.”
(George H.W. Bush to reporter Sarah McClendon, Dec. 1992)

[Reply]
Jai Khosla

East Pakshaitan used to be 33% Hindu. In the 1970s-1971s when the Islamic Army of Pakshaitan killed 3 million Hindus and another 10 million ran away to India, Bangladesh is now only 12% Hindu.

That is how Muhammadanism operates– via ethnic cleansing.

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http://www.pctbl.com/?p=115 Jesus Koblick

I tend to concur, although I’m not certain about some of the details

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