New and improved Hindutva 2.0, coming soon

Well written, the right diagnosis , though uma bharti has been given to high a profile and too nasty an image by Zia. I have heard her in TV saying “We want hindus to greet the muslims on their Eid JUST LIKE WE THE MUSLIMS TO GREET HINDUS ON DIWALI .Honesty speaking the first part may be just green shoots , the seeds of later is yet to be seen.

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tajender Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

balwinder what u have written is pure bullshit and untruth.first hinduism is not a religion it is slavery of brhmns.as per geeta there are 4 castes women and shudras are outside caste.there is no sin to kill them.there is no conversion hence every body is ur enemy.beant singh killed indira because he was sikh.indira mascared sikh because brhmn.if u rread dharamshastra it is nothing but hate and tactics to enslave others.
all ur bhagwans are loaded with deadly weapons.they dont come to spread message of peace.they come only for ethenic cleansing.brhmn bhagwan parusram came to kill the entire khatriya of the world.he murdered even his mother.
hinduism is system of slvery to keep superiority of brhmns.fraud is base of everything.lie is not sin.
budhists were first to challenge brhmnsm.they finished them.then jainese challenged they they exterminated them.sikh were fooled and subjugated treated like slave.
islam is the only religion which stands for egalitarinism.

HINDUISM IS ONLY RELIGION WHICH SAYS THAT MAN IS BORN UNEQUAL.HENCE VOILENCE AND HATE START FROM BIRTH.THAT IS WHY 600 COMMUNAL RIOTS WRE PERPETUATED AFTER INDEPENDENCE.
stealing of national wealth is not sin hence looting is going on.

Almost 60% of the Kuran is nothing but hate speech against the “Kafirs.” That is why the state based on Islam

where it is written bullshit and lie.

in geeta krishna force arjun to kill all his cousins and uncles.all ur so called religious books are
war stories.nothing but voilence.

Islam – Pakistan – is bursting with religious hatred and violence. Any articles on that anytime soon,

so the india.hindus has not faced the agony of 600 anti-muslim riot.or bomb planting or social boycot.

what u have written its recerse is true.for khatriyas all non khatriyas are kafirs.so……

in geeta burden of giving comforts to high caste is on shudra.manu smiriti is full of punishment to shudras even for small mistakes.

balwinder if uare hindu tell me the name of brhma vishnu and mahesh.

good hindu means good slave.

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tajender Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

mr zia as u removed the blog of mr balwinder kindly remove mine.also.thanks.

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There was and is no Hindutva in Bangladesh or Pakistan yet the Hindu-Muslim relationship is well known, decimation of Hindus has occured , and a few that remain are denied basic rights and suffer daily. There is was never any Hindutva in Kerala and yet Jiahdi mindset. Muslim realtion with non-Muslim in Indonesia, Thailand, Philppines, United Kingdom, Holland, France and many many places suffer from the same fate.

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Zia Haq is a true Pakistani masquarading as an Indian paper reporter! His writings, once carefully read, are always anti-Hindu and against the cultural norms of India. BJP and RSS are very strong patritotic organizations that do not have to follow other perverted ideological moorings and they cannot be wished away from the Indian political and cultural landscape. The HT, being a foreign investor controlled enterprise, would like to use Muslims to bash Hindus and these nefarious activities are used to polarize the public opinions in an illiterate and impoverished society to create confusion in the process of advancing the vested interests. It is despicable. The HT will not publish it but I would like to bring this to the attention of those midguided in the HT.

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R R Madhav Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 7:24 am

I guess, doggy singh, sibbal and raul paid mr zia for this “timely” article.

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Paratha Indian Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 10:22 am

Hey “Judge Stern”???
Try to bend hard and suck your own banana. That will make you feel better.

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Bhushan Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

Dont start nonsense. It is true that the Congress party filled with “upper caste” Christian fanatics and Hindu-haters such as Sonia and Digvijay Singh are paying a lot of writers, orators and other people to speak against Hinduism and divide further. Mother-son duo went to Switzerland to bribe officials there and to take out a lot of money in preparation for the elections which they think is imminent. Just like they rushed through the nuclear deal in the last elections, got thousands of crores from US companies and won the elections with the help of corrupt election officers and hooligans.

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subash Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 11:15 am

Only in secular India can a Muslim vomit his trash on a party in the name of another religion.
He or other writers like him dare not pen their dirty thoughts in Muslim countries. They should not abuse this privilege that a secular society like Indian provides to them.

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@Zia , your allergy towards all thing hindutva is at odds with history.
As much I loathe the obscurantism and the stone age conservatism(the terodactyle is murali manohar joshi , this bramhin is one SOB and all that is wicked with BJP and RSS) of RSS , one claim of theirs has a recent taker in me . That is the idea of AKHAND BHARAT which apparently stretches as far as IRAN.
In fact I am begininig to realise indian history ans civilization is incomplete without the IRANIAN side of the story.
Now this from a book i am reading inbetween my professional studies.the book is THE PERSIANS BY HOMA KATOUZIAN ,PAGE 48
“A text that is held up as an excellent example of SASSANIAN(the sassanids ruled iran circaAD224-651)
LITERATURE is the INDIAN FABLE PANCHATANTRA, WHICH DID SURVIVE IN THE PAHLAVI LANGUAGE LONG ENOUGH TO BE TRANSLATED INTO ARABIC(yes you are readind it correct)

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Dear Mr. Zia,

Hinduism is the only major world religion that is ALREADY secular. There is no concept of “Kafir” or “Heathen” in Hinduism. Hindus are the only major religion in the world that has no history of systematic persecution of any other religion. On the contrary, we have accepted and nurtured persecuted minorities everywhere, such as the jews and the parsis (who were, incidentally, fleeing Islamic persecution). There are no “suras” in our holy texts that ask for the slaughter of Kafirs. Therefore, I feel you are being fundamentally malicious in choosing the wrong tree to bark at. You fullly well know what your religion teaches towards Kafirs. You would display more honesty if you wrote articles questioning those suras, rather than beating an imaginary boogeyman called “Hindutva.” I hate no one, want to live at peace with everyone, and am a proud Hindu. Indeed, it is because my Hindu religion teaches me that God is in everyone, and can be reached through many paths, that I am this way. Call me Hindutva if you like. The basic fact is that Hinduism is not a religion that teaches hate, while Islam is. That is the fundamental difference. Almost 60% of the Kuran is nothing but hate speech against the “Kafirs.” That is why the state based on Islam – Pakistan – is bursting with religious hatred and violence. Any articles on that anytime soon, Mr. Zia? I thought not.

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Terrorists like Zia have no sense to understand the word ‘Hindutva’. This word is a social order and it is a true form of secularism. Crooked corrupt congresswals and ****-supporting terrorists only brand Hindutva as communal.

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AJ Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 6:17 am

If you are a tru secularist, I challange to write a similar article on Congress- IUML- SIMI and congress – Christianity relationships, Godhra rail burning incident, Mass killing of Sikhs under congress regime, etc…

I dare you…..

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any body can write any comment under the framework of dignity, respect and wisdom.I believe we should not sow the seeds of hate among Hindus, Muslims,From the last 50 years i am wishing to hindu friends and neighbour DEEVALI MUBARAK< HOLI MUBARAK,HAPPY RAKHI,HAPPY BAISAKHI and i am receiving HAPPY EID.HAPPY RAMZAN. from my hindu friends and neighbours. I remember my late father and Tau were visiting their elder hindu friends they were wishing namastey, and when they were coming to meet us they were wishing salam saab, at that time IT WAS HINDUSTAN <TODAY IT IS ALSO HINDUSTAN I AM SURE THIS BONDAGE MAY BE DISTURBED FOR A SHORT TIME ( NOT WISDOM) BUT THIS BONDAGE OF LOVE CAN NOT BE BROKEN . AMEEN

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Its because of the traitors like you Zia, that muslims will never be integrated with mainstream and nationalistic psyche of Indians.
shame! shame! shame!

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Islam is a violent POLITICAL movement. To a reasoned argument Islam replies with SUICIDE BOMBERS………..Be warned.

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Just because Muslims like Zia are allergic to Hindutva that doesn’t mean there should be no voice againt a deliberate and well planned inaction of Congress against corruption. More than enough oppurtunities and time has been given to Congress to at least set the ball rolling on. But no .. Congress doesn’t want to do anything other than dillydelaying things on one pretext or the other. The naked truth is this that Congress is the end benficiary of corruption, therefore, they want no control over it. You can’t blame Hindutva forces for exploiting strong anti corruption sentiments prevailing in the indian society. Congress being in power should have taken the bull by its horns and by now put a strong Lokpal bill in its place, but instead , it launched a counter attack on those who raised their voice against corruption. Zia and company are OK with a delibearte inaction against corruption but not OK with HIndus raising their voice against this inaction and thats why I always feel people like Zia will always pick religion before nation and they want Hindus to be secular!!!!

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Zia Ul Haq will do what he is suppossed to do. It is unfortunate in the part of media to allow him to do so. Extreme hindutva is bad, so is extreme ISLAM (Zia , write something abt. the islamic leaders also, they will cut your tongue and give you a good bath in your own blood!) . The reason for BJP coming to national forum with hindutva plank, because they had no other alternatives. Congress was always corrupt, non-performing , but on electon day the kind of money they distribute is unbelievable. which BJP does not have. To counter that BJP had to do something which hits at congress’s secular image and people’s relegious belief.

Currently BJP does not have a single leader which people can identify with or know. In that case UMA, Narendra Modi are their mascots. How many people know Arun Jaietly, Susma , Gadhakaari etc ? These people ae not adroit politicians also.

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I failed to understand how HIndu-Muslim relations came in author’s concluding remarks.? What has to do with the main content of the article?

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LOL.. at least they don’t blow up World trade centre……

Islam is the best religion, let’s convert all people to Islam….

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What an anti Hindu rabid monger. Pathetic. Author’s madrassa teachings have overcome everything. His anti Bharat and anti Bharteeya rantings will put even Pakistanis to shame

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Dear Sir, This gentleman has clear;y exposed him self as a BJP hater, by his one sided comments and conclusions. He ignoers the fact that the most successful CM is from BJP. The most advanced state is a bjp state. He does not acknowledge that all the top CMs and others are are all from back ward classes. Ghadkari the President who was elected to the highest position is a successful business man with hundreds of Muslim employees who all admire him and praise him. Compare this to one sided dynastic rule of Congress. With so many scams,scams and scams and attack on fasting social activists at midnight, the Congress and the PM has gone down in the eyes of the people. Dr Singh is no longer perceived as Mr Mahatma innocent. A large section believe that he did not do his job well, that is the reason we are having so many scams almost every month. When a nation has 80% of Hindu population, Mr Haq wants us to stop using the word hindutwa even when it clearly states it is nationality and not a religious identity. example-American. It is a cultural identity which can be like hindustaniat. where all religious identities are preserved and a cultural natioanalistic identity is promoted. UMA bharathiji comes from a back ward community and she has super oratory skills. She is a sanyasin who has invoved in politis a rare event indeed. When so many muslim clergy men and bishops are getting involved in politics, what is wrong in Uma bharathi entering politics? she was MP chief minister, a union minister etc Congress has been winning with the help of its allies. Mamata in West Bengal, DMK in Tamil nadu and Muslim league in kerala!

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more nonsensefromKaangress stooges. Allofthem areworking overtimeto prove thatBJPis communal sothat Kaangresscangobeing corrupt.

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shshsh Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

Hindutva 2.0 is a the right usage because hindutva is not at all related with what hindues believe. Hindus believe in a Vedic religion. This hindutva was the ideology put forward by the rss, bjp and its forefathers to attain a political niche by exploitiong communal feelings in india. Lets keep all the arguments aside, BJP ruled india for five years, what did they accomplish?…they were the biggest of the scammers…ok lets forget tht, what has BJP got to offer now that is different from COngress, its some more pure hindi speakers and few more babas…..the great successful CM in india, what is he successful abt?…..bringing business without any concern for environement or social responsibility, leading the killing of people in massacres?…..wat has he got to offer tht is different from rahul is offering……now the other opposition is communists, wat have they got to offer, there policies have failed miserably and the result in very clear in recent election…..so there is not point abt blaming congress whn i power or bjp whn in power, we get rulers we deserve, y dnt we try to stop ourselves from bribes and corruption in every small and big steps, y dnt we try to keep the streets clean and tidy, y dnt we try to help eradicate poverty in small means we can, y dnt we do something thn a lot of blabbering tht is not going to get us anywhere…….uma bharati is the lady who said y dnt u buy a knife instead of buying vegetables so that u can kill atleast one muslim someday…..i dnt knw if she has changed and she has had some divine tranformation…..but else there is no reason to expect her to be anything but her stupid self of before…… and for the really lame guys who said muslims blew up wtc…..dude mulsims didnt got to mkaakh and conjure to blow wtc up….some dhadiwalla in afghan did tht…..y so seflresprcting practising muslims take the blame……?….and the dhadiwalla got wat he rightly deserved…..

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HIndutva nut wing is vital to neuter Islamic nutjobs in South Asia. You can only fight fire with fire, for all that talk (that I agree with), Gujarat only happened post train-burning. I hear Modi this and that – but what about the people who were burned alive? Both the outcomes were wrong – hence both are held to account. You can’t white wash Islamic nutjobs – in a political spectrum, any right wing has it’s role.

You really can’t do that – escalate faults on the Hindu side but have nothing to say about the Muslim side. I hate the Hindu right wing, but that doesn’t mean muslims can overlook their faults. The funny thing is Islam is currently suffering from a global image problem – Hindutva elements, for all their retarded ideologies, have not been bombing embassies and WTCs of countries abroad. Saffron terror this or that – please, conduct a research assess trends and you’d realise the flaws.

Balinese Hindus are Hindus as well, who are living well in a Muslim majority Indonesia, never heard of a problem there. COmpare that with Indian muslims who give birth to the likes of SIMI or the Indian Mujahiddin. You look at an educated trend analysis – from Kashmir to Xinjiang to Kosovo to Chechnya – either muslims have always been targeted by the rest of the world, which is a very unlikely case, or that there is something really very wrong in your philosophy. You know, when muslim immigrants to Pakistan, the mujahirs, start to demand a separate Jinnahpur… I tend to have reservations. I really wonder – are there separatist Hindu elements? Note, Tamil tigers were tamil nationalists – as opposed to popular belief, they had a considerable Christian converts in their ranks.

Muslim authors such as this Zia chap have a myopic problem – please – leave Hindus alone, look at your own community – failing, under educated and engulfed in violence. Is it me or is Azamgahr the terror and criminal incubator of India? So, Mr. Zia – how about covering that?

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Dear Zia bhai,
Is it aq threat from you in last senence. That you advocate a hindu -muslim amity, only and only if hindutva is weak, other wise, you wont work for unity.
sorry, bhai.
I am hindu, a devout one, doing everyday pooja, ihave many muslim friends. They are also very devout one.
we mutually respect each other, . We must accept that there is difference in a way we worship our mutual gods.
Its bad to use ramlalla for political benefit. Its even bad to blackmail entire muslim community to submission, with a threat that ” vote congress , warna RSS aa jayega” Governace.. who cares?

Zia bhai, just give me an example of muslim community voting for good goverance and voting out bad governance. Is corruption non issue with the community ? I can understand if poverty and religous isolation is prevalent, But the community as a whole, quite smartt politically, then how come it always gives a blank cheque to political parties. It blind trust that prevant in community.

jai hind

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tajender Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

Zia bhai, just give me an example of muslim community voting for good goverance

anna baba fight with goverment is elite class qawalli.95%of muslims are poor.they hardly have any intetrest in this.they are interested ,who can get them better life.baba owns 1100 crores without paying income tax.when his assets are goining to checked by it dept he started this drama.

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A rather disappointing article. The flaw is in the “logic” that is frequently used by muslims when they talk of BJP and “hindutva”. What Mr. Haq and pseudo-secularists fail to see is that the strengthening of “hindutva” is a direct consequence of the deliberate pro-muslim (vote-bank) politics of the Congress party and the GoI. This is increasing the insecurity felt by the average hindu. If this policy does not change, the strength of “hindutva” will increase which in turn will increase the religious polarization of India.
It is a pity that Mr. Haq has raised the “hindutva” bogey in the movement against corruption just because the BJP is involved. Surely a fight against corruption is in the interest of every Indian citizen and a large number of people involved are not BJP supporters. Mr. Haq’s insinuation shows a naive understanding of the concept of democracy. Corruption does not have a religion and not everything has to do with religion.

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ZIa, not that I am a big BJP fan. But please restrain you pen from writing things like new improved Hindutva 2.0. Who the hell are you to comment. What do you know about the religion. Illetrate fool masquerading as a journalist. How would you feel if I wrote a new inproved Zia’s Islam 3.0. Moron

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Ronnie Jal Patel Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

Its of no use as they the minorities would never learn, had that ******* Nehru heeded the sincere advise of the Great Lion Late Vallabhbhai Patel then we Hindus would had been in a far far better Position & how knows that by Today we Indians would had been the world’s real & the only one Super Power.Its really & indeed India’s greatest Ill Luck that Lion Late Sardar Patel passed away very quickly.

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What I think is that. People are more biased to impose secularism and anti-Hindu movement on India. Why people cant follow path of what Hindutva tells us.?? We are hindu and Hindu is not bound to Puja, Temple or any Karma Kand.. Hindutva also teaches us how to run Business, Government and Society. Hindutva can not be come under focus of being biased or casteism. If we follow Hinduism, it doesnt mean that we dont respect Islam or Christianity. Why one party cant follow Hinduism principles ruling on India?? I dont understand the system of always blaming Hindus of being non-secular.

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everyone should read Mahboob’s Saeedi’s words above before commenting. Hindus and sikhs should not be weak to get so upset abouyt this mild article. Debate, clear your head, share your thoughts keeping Mr Saeedi in mind
jai hind

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Mr Zia

Whether hindutva should weaken or get more powerful depends on indian voters ,

i was surprised by your sweet language in between your sentences when did you star having sympathy for BJP Zia bhai? you people should distribue sweets because your CONGRESS party is 200 plus and going strong while COMMUNAL party is getting weakened by every day

BJP will remain strong in indian politics if indian voters want and another thing mr ZIa since you people never like voting for that COMMUNAL party then why do you worry about how that party is being run?

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Please forgive Hinduism.. Its limit now. How many times you will blame hindus being casteists. Now this is limit when a Muslim blogger will right something about Hinduism. This must be Stopped. At least have some idea about Hinduism and then write something. Better Hindustan times take care to publish such articles by Any Muslim candidate.

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What is the meaning of Secularism?
On WordWeb : A doctrine that rejects religion and religious considerations……. On Oxford : the belief that religion should not be involved in the organization of society, education, etc.

Whenever Political people are plays card of Secularism in order to refrain some religious activity, I feel some kind of restrictions on following our own religion. Does politics come in between religion and us? Is politics responsible for making Hinduism down in eye of world. Now whenever Hinduism come in talks, people think about superstitious , riots, temples, wrong beliefs, poverty, untouchables, casteism, many more things…… Is it everything about Hinduism? Center is depicting total wrong picture about what is Hinduism and secularism. The greatest loss of secularism is to Hindus none. Even new scholars from Hinduism itself believes that Secularism is above Hinduism and expressing Hindu feelings and thoughts is offence in free India.

Is expressing thoghts about Hinduism is offence in India? If I find some good things in my own religion and want to tell every body then would it be considered as offence? Why Our religions are bound and frozen in hands of Atheist government.
Hinduism is the one though which the first democracy cam into existence called Mauryan Emperor.Shakas and Ashoka empire and many states where there about 2000 years ago.

You are teaching the lessons of democracy and harmony to he community which holds the credit running first democracy in the world . You are teaching lessons of harmony to the community which never attacked any community for the sack of converting them into Hinduism. Do you know any incident in the history of world in which Hindu empire attacked the empire of any other religion in order to convert them into hinduism???

Then how can you blame Hinduism for breaking of country norms, rules of Harmony and in turn make them responsible for being communistic .Do you really think when there were 90% were hindus India became secular country?? Is that possible with any other country in which there are 90% of the same religion?

If you still say that Hindus in India are communistic , its your wicked mentality in order to run the game of politics.

Read my blog: http://differyourself.blogspot.com/

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Zia your article itself is so communal that it leaves you with little authority to lecture others.

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I do not see anything wrong abut the BJP taking the sides of the Hindus, just show me any one Party who has always stood by the sides of the Hindus, Dose anyone of the minorities have any guts to say that thye would proudly sing Vande Mataram? & why the congress always sides with Minorities just for Vote Banks of the Minorities, then in the same way even the BJP has the right to see Hindus as their Vote Banks, whatever the congress dose is right & whatever the BJP dose is always wrong, why Pamper the Minorities when they themsleves do not want be a part of India, then why the hell do they all not go & settle down in Pakistan, just go away from India, if you all minorities feels unsafe.
My request to the Media is also that Please do not see from the congress Point of View also see from the BJP point of view also, as even the BJP is the National Political Party of India, & its the main Opposition in the Parliament. I do know that all the Big Media Bosses are & always would be Pro Congress & anti BJP. why this double stantard by the Media itself ?

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Please read this

http://tribune.com.pk/story/187855/textile-city-politicians-turn-blind-eye-to-hate-pamphlets/

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The author,, as usual, is playing his multiple distortionary roles – a provocateur, a propagandist of falsehood, an emitter of indirect venom, and a “secularist” who never want Muslims to come up or to have good relations with others.

what does he mean when he says ” By getting a Hindueta like bogey to raise legitimate political issues on its behalf, the BJP has showed its over-reliance on an extremist ideology and that Hindueta will always be its last resort” _

Who is Hindueta-like bogey? Ramdev organization, Anna’s movement? And if they are, are they protesting on BJP’s behalf? Arent all in India (may be except congress memebers and may be Msulim League mebers) against corruption and the erosion of “freedoms”. And even if, for argument, let us say BJP has relied on Ramdev and Anna, .how can anybody of any reasonable mind say “BJP has showed its over-reliance on an extremist ideology” — IS Ramdev an extremist? Is Anna an extremist? All of Anna’s colleagues in his army unit were killed by Paksiatni army; he was a sole survivor; and he decided to dedicate his life to serve Indians after an internal search on”why me? Why I alone survived”.

Success of congress in Assam (and the 4 seat majority in Kerala) has nothing to dow ith congtress, and everything to do with Muslim votes. More on it later.

“Hindueta has no suitable place in modern India – the weaker Hindueta becomes, the stronger Hindu Muslim relations will be”..

It is an oxymoron- First of all, is India’s sole numero ono purpose Hindu-Muslim harmony? Just for argument, let us say something like Sri Lanka happened in India where a ruthless majority essentially put a minority in a “controlled” place/status — what happens? Ya, human rights advocates will scream, other countries may put remarks critiocizing that, world and India will go on . Obviosuly it will not happen in India, a country whose ancestors started their prayers with “ekam sat Vipra bahude vedanti” and ended with “Loka samastha sukhino Bhavandu”,, will not do that (I can see secularists coming back to Gujrat).

The statement “weaker hindueta becomes stronger Hindu msulim relations” — such a stupoid and riduculous and baseless argument – I hve mentioned in these columns many times what is happening to kerala – there is n o BJP there, there is no RSS there (in any menaingful presence – no assembly seats, no municipality chairmanships); Muslims are quite powerful, Muslim league has many MLAs and municipality chairmanships – so what happened? CBI is nabbing young Msulims who particpated in the hand chopping of the professor, poloice is nabbing young Muslims who attended terrorist training camps in Pakistan, neighbours are worried about neighbours (whose sons went to Kashmir to achive “martyrdom”)….

So the issue is not BJP or RSS; te issue is extremist Muslims – Kerala has demonstrated that BJP/RSS is not needed for some Muslims to go crazy. .

Now I do agree with him that BJP is stupid for not grooming good leaders – as they say you can lead the horse to water, but you cannot make him drink the water. Congress will not retain South India because the regional parties will pack them off. Congress may eb able to nudge out in some of the populous northern states because of the clumsiness of BJP.

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S Singh Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:35 am

Zia wants to go back to the India of pre 1947! with proportional voting representation — You are right, that BJP is giving away their potential electoral success to Congress (may be there is a corrupt deal between them, who knows!)

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@Balwinder sandhu, you said you will be busy coming two weeks travelling , this may be the reason
An Indian couple believed to be part of a people-smuggling syndicate will be deported from the Philippines for violating immigration rules, authorities said on Monday. Police detained Lakhvir Singh and his wife, Shinder Pal Kaur, at their home in a Manila suburb last week and they will soon be depor
ted, immigration bureau intelligence chief Maria Antonette Mangrobang said.

“We believe they were part of a big human smuggling syndicate,” Mangrobang told AFP

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Shoeb K Reply:
June 13th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

Shan-

Not good to genralize and individualize unless it is universally recognized as a dominant trend — (such as Jehadism)

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shan Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:00 am

@ShoebK, All terrorist may be muslims ,but certainly all muslims are not terrorist.
That does not stop internet hindus pontificating muslims , and gloating on the misery of pakistan.
By the same token MOST human trafficing activity is confined to ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY,
though it is also true not every person of that community is engaged in human trafficing.
It is almost true that HUMAN TRAFFICING is exclusively confined to ONE PARTICULAR state in INDIA. If you watch NDTV documentaries , you will reconsider your statement.

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“The Bharatiya Janata Party is on a high. It is basking in the afterglow of anti-corruption revolutions, financial scandals, inflation and the comeback of one of its most provocative Hindutva mascots – Ms. Uma Bharti.”

How sarcastic!! It seems author is angry with Congress b’cause of not that it is looting us, but its giving advantage to BJP. & Uma Bharati, who?

“In reality, the BJP has demonstrated how best to concede political space to civil society — to its own exclusion. As the main Opposition party, it should have been dictating terms on drafting an effective lokpal law – which seeks to install a national anti-graft ombudsman.”

Now it seems that Zia is criticising BJP by not going on Hunger strike against corrpution – so later Zia can criticise it…

“The BJP proudly claims its leader Lal Krishna Advani first highlighted the issue of “black money” – illegal cash supposedly stashed away in foreign banks — in May 2009. Despite this, it wasn’t BJP leaders who faced police batons on the issue. Rather than leading from the front, the BJP was merrily outsourcing all this to either Hindutva activists and their associates or simply to civil society.”

Again repeating..and who is stopping Islamic, Christian , Sikh, Jain (& all other religion) organization to perform agitation against corruption?

“Ms. Uma Bharti’s nomination as the chief of Uttar Pradesh, not merely her re-induction into the party, confirms that there is nothing new to look forward to in the BJP”

No comment…don’t know much about UP politics

“The Bharatiya Janata Party is on a high. It is basking in the afterglow of anti-corruption revolutions, financial scandals, inflation and the comeback of one of its most provocative Hindutva mascots – Ms. Uma Bharti.”

1) How sarcastic!! It seems author is angry with Congress b’cause not of the fact that it is looting us, but its giving advantage to BJP. & Uma Bharati, who?

“In reality, the BJP has demonstrated how best to concede political space to civil society — to its own exclusion. As the main Opposition party, it should have been dictating terms on drafting an effective lokpal law – which seeks to install a national anti-graft ombudsman.”

2) Now it seems that Zia is criticising BJP by not going on Hunger strike against corruption – so later he can criticise it…

“The BJP proudly claims its leader Lal Krishna Advani first highlighted the issue of “black money” – illegal cash supposedly stashed away in foreign banks — in May 2009. Despite this, it wasn’t BJP leaders who faced police batons on the issue. Rather than leading from the front, the BJP was merrily outsourcing all this to either Hindutva activists and their associates or simply to civil society.”

3) Again repeating himself..and who is stopping Islamic, Christian (& all other religion) organization to perform agitation against corruption?

“Ms. Uma Bharti’s nomination as the chief of Uttar Pradesh, not merely her re-induction into the party, confirms that there is nothing new to look forward to in the BJP”

4) No comment…don’t know much about UP politics

“The BJP was seen moving towards a more secular platform in recent times. This swing was perhaps more notional than real. The party seemed to be realizing that Hindutva had proved to be a short-term asset but a long-term liability. But, with the return of the likes of Ms Bharti, that baby step will never get to become a sure-footed stride.”

5) what is secular? I bet providing any type of help to Madrasa will consider secular than to Temple by media in India.

“By getting a Hindutva-like bogey to raise legitimate political issues on its behalf, the BJP has showed its over-reliance on an extremist ideology and that Hindutva will always be its last resort.”

6) check 3)

“For the Congress, this bitter harvest may have come from an inability to effectively run government. However, politically it looks much more agile and better prepared for the future. Even in a remote state like Assam, six Youth Congress candidates – all in their 30s and first-timers – were elected in state’s recent elections.”

7)It seems author is sympathetic with congress because they don’t know how to run government…And under relatively young guy like Rahul Gandhi, Congress is more prepared & set to run government ineffectively in future..

“In the BJP camp, there’s hardly new blood or fresh talent. The return of an ardent acolyte of the RSS, at the expense of all that she stood for, certainly doesn’t leave room for the hope that the BJP would gradually emerge less strident.”

It seems like author has gone through the BJP candidate’s list of all states( hmm..sure?) and couldn’t find any young guys..and RSS bashing..

“Hindutva has no suitable place in modern India. The weaker Hindutva becomes, the stronger Hindu-Muslim relations will be. By resurrecting a Hindutva propagator, the BJP has reposed its faith in status quo, not change.”

9) So, does this same logic apply to a statement like ,
Islamism has no suitable place in modern India. The weaker Islamism becomes, the stronger Hindu-Muslim relations will be….

10) Moral of the story –
* could not find any conclusion..and no connection between title and body data

* I have a lot of free time like Zia to write rubbish…

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raman Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:13 am

sorry it is mess… the good one is …

“The Bharatiya Janata Party is on a high. It is basking in the afterglow of anti-corruption revolutions, financial scandals, inflation and the comeback of one of its most provocative Hindutva mascots – Ms. Uma Bharti.”

1) How sarcastic!! It seems author is angry with Congress b’cause not of the fact that it is looting us, but its giving advantage to BJP. & Uma Bharati, who?

“In reality, the BJP has demonstrated how best to concede political space to civil society — to its own exclusion. As the main Opposition party, it should have been dictating terms on drafting an effective lokpal law – which seeks to install a national anti-graft ombudsman.”

2) Now it seems that Zia is criticising BJP by not going on Hunger strike against corruption – so later he can criticise it…

“The BJP proudly claims its leader Lal Krishna Advani first highlighted the issue of “black money” – illegal cash supposedly stashed away in foreign banks — in May 2009. Despite this, it wasn’t BJP leaders who faced police batons on the issue. Rather than leading from the front, the BJP was merrily outsourcing all this to either Hindutva activists and their associates or simply to civil society.”

3) Again repeating himself..and who is stopping Islamic, Christian (& all other religion) organization to perform agitation against corruption?

“Ms. Uma Bharti’s nomination as the chief of Uttar Pradesh, not merely her re-induction into the party, confirms that there is nothing new to look forward to in the BJP”

4) No comment…don’t know much about UP politics

“The BJP was seen moving towards a more secular platform in recent times. This swing was perhaps more notional than real. The party seemed to be realizing that Hindutva had proved to be a short-term asset but a long-term liability. But, with the return of the likes of Ms Bharti, that baby step will never get to become a sure-footed stride.”

5) what is secular? I bet providing any type of help to Madrasa will consider secular than to Temple by media in India.

“By getting a Hindutva-like bogey to raise legitimate political issues on its behalf, the BJP has showed its over-reliance on an extremist ideology and that Hindutva will always be its last resort.”

6) check 3)

“For the Congress, this bitter harvest may have come from an inability to effectively run government. However, politically it looks much more agile and better prepared for the future. Even in a remote state like Assam, six Youth Congress candidates – all in their 30s and first-timers – were elected in state’s recent elections.”

7)It seems author is sympathetic with congress because they don’t know how to run government…And under relatively young guy like Rahul Gandhi, Congress is more prepared & set to run government ineffectively in future..

“In the BJP camp, there’s hardly new blood or fresh talent. The return of an ardent acolyte of the RSS, at the expense of all that she stood for, certainly doesn’t leave room for the hope that the BJP would gradually emerge less strident.”

It seems like author has gone through the BJP candidate’s list of all states( hmm..sure?) and couldn’t find any young guys..and RSS bashing..

“Hindutva has no suitable place in modern India. The weaker Hindutva becomes, the stronger Hindu-Muslim relations will be. By resurrecting a Hindutva propagator, the BJP has reposed its faith in status quo, not change.”

9) So, does this same logic apply to a statement like ,
Islamism has no suitable place in modern India. The weaker Islamism becomes, the stronger Hindu-Muslim relations will be….

10) Moral of the story –
* could not find any conclusion..and no connection between title and body data

* Zia has a lot of time to write rubbish like me…

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raman Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:15 am

oh…written under Title: New & improved thoughts 2.0:…

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S chadha Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:10 am

It is fashionable for al and sundry to malign the bjp -this is from a fear that in case the Hindus are united politically then the cozy comfort level of monotheism , minority politics , minority privileges wil vanish . Hence it is the attempt of all to see that this does not happe
Hinduvata is not Hinduism -but to a community which sees red over things like Singing vande mat ram -a patriotic song -such concepts are not important . Let us face it that every country should have a soul , a reason for existence , a meaning which sets it apart from other countries –in our case it is hinduvata , a concept of unity for all citizens living in this land of Hindustan . Let us face it even after centuries of Islamic degradation , repression , subjugation , terrorism in our country basis ethos of Hindus have been undefiled -they still remain tolerant , middle of the road , not given to religious extremism as some other religions. Look at pakistan -the minorities were 8 pcnt st partition today less than 2 pcnt -ditto in Bangladesh . Who should one blame ?Hinduvata or islamicts for the religious extremes? This country remains what it is because it has a Hindu majority , a Hindu soul , -pity if any other religion was paramount

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shan Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 3:18 am

@chaddha, there is a lot of truth in what you write , but BJP may not be the sole representative or the right representative of the MODERATE hindus.

Rajeev Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 2:51 am

It serves people like Zia and party like Congress to keep the hindu divided. They have artificially created a difference between silent hindus (also called liberal) and vocal hindus (also called communal). Both kind of hindus are victim of minority fundamentalism. The north east is no go area for hindus, Assam has already being taken over by Islamists, Kashmir is already lost to Islamic fundos and Kerala is on verge of just that. The Indian hindus have lost large chunk of land in the form of pakistan and bangladesh. They have been killed in masse both in pakistan and Bangladesh. They are being killed daily in India.
How long can hindus take it? The people like Zia are actually provoking hindus. It is better for people like Zia to live in a country where there are no hindus. The hinduphobia displayed by muslims like Zia, Shabana Azmi etc. is unbearable.
If muslims don’t mend their ways there will be a backlash so they should stop abusing hindu tolerance.

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S Singh Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 11:38 am

A Sri Lanka situation can result if Muslims and their vote masters are not careful.

Please read ” A parable of martyrdom for minorities” in today’s Dawn by Ahktar Asif

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It is truly unbelievable. The man who sympathizes with Islamic terror is teaching Secularism to Hindus.
Can he explain how Islamic fundamentalism + terror in Assam, Kerala and J&K is connected with Hindutva?
The muslims like Zia keep inventing excuses to justify Islamic terror. No wonder this guy was denied US visa.

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I think by Hindutva – the author is referring to the political meaning of the term only, he doesn’t mean Hindu religion.

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Mr Gopi Thomas’ comment above really exposes this “if only there was no BJP/RSS, great Hindu-Muslim rel;ations will accrue) nonsense..

Why are (some) Muslims in kerala militants and attack Hindus (their Madani is on trial in my state for Bangalore conspiracy) when there is no BJP/RSS in Kerala, where Muslim League always had many minsters in congress coalition governments, where Muslims are rich, where they control lots of land, business, and educational institutions?

So, this talk about BJP causes fear among Muslims and cause Hindu Muslim relations to go down is “bugwas” nonsense…

Congress will destroy India by appeasing to Muslims left, right, and center. Muslims will remain backward.. So, it is in Msulims’ interest that they form their own parties so at least they can have some regional influence, or join a party like BJP. Congress has all the interest to keep Msulims backward so the vote base is there at becka nd call.

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Guys if you are not aware of this fact please read this – it is little long but everyone should know
this. Will Mr. Haq comment on this ?

Why are we Hindus taking all this lying down. Why is there an IAS officer as
head of every temple. Can they dare go to a Masjid or a church? Please see
the attached article and decide for yourself. If you agree then pass it on……

Foreign writer opens our eyes… !!!

The Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment Act of 1951 allows State
Governments and politicians to take over thousands of Hindu Temples and
maintain complete control over them and their properties. It is claimed that
they can sell the temple assets and properties and use the money in any way
they choose.

A charge has been made not by any Temple authority, but by a foreign writer,
Stephen Knapp in a book (Crimes Against India and the Need to Protect
Ancient Vedic Tradition) published in the United States that makes shocking
reading.

Hundreds of temples in centuries past have been built in India by devout
rulers and the donations given to them by devotees have been used for the
benefit of the (other) people. If, presently, money collected has ever been
misused (and that word needs to be defined), it is for the devotees to
protest and not for any government to interfere. This letter is what has
been happening currently under an intrusive law.

It would seem, for instance, that under a Temple Empowerment Act, about
43,000 temples in Andhra Pradesh have come under government control and only
18 per cent of the revenue of these temples have been returned for temple
purposes, the remaining 82 per cent being used for purposes unstated.

Apparently even the world famous Tirumala Tirupati Temple has not been
spared. According to Knapp, the temple collects over Rs 3,100 crores every
year and the State Government has not denied the charge that as much as 85
per cent of this is transferred to the State Exchequer, much of which goes
to causes that are not connected with the Hindu community. Was it for that
reason that devotees make their offering to the temples? Another charge that
has been made is that the Andhra Government has also allowed the demolition
of at least ten temples for the construction of a golf course. Imagine the
outcry writes Knapp, if ten mosques had been demolished.

It would seem that in Karanataka, Rs. 79 crores were collected from about
two lakh temples and from that, temples received Rs seven crores for their
maintenance, Muslim madrassahs and Haj subsidy were given Rs 59 crore and
churches about Rs 13 crore. Very generous of the government.

Because of this, Knapp writes, 25 per cent of the two lakh temples or about
50,000 temples in Karnataka will be closed down for lack of resources, and
he adds: The only way the government can continue to do this is because
people have not stood up enough to stop it.

Knapp then refers to Kerala where, he says, funds from the Guruvayur Temple
are diverted to other government projects denying improvement to 45 Hindu
temples. Land belonging to the Ayyappa Temple, apparently has been grabbed
and Church encroaches are occupying huge areas of forest land, running into
thousands of acres, near Sabarimala.

A charge is made that the Communist state government of Kerala. wants to
pass an Ordinance to disband the Travancore & Cochin Autonomous Devaswom
Boards (TCDBs) and take over their limited independent authority of 1,800
Hindu temples. If what the author says is true, even the Maharashtra
Government wants to take over some 450,000 temples in the state which would
supply a huge amount of revenue to correct the states bankrupt conditions

And to top it all, Knapp says that in Orissa, the state government intends
to sell over 70,000 acres of endowment lands from the Jagannath Temple, the
proceeds of which would solve a huge financial crunch brought about by its
own mismanagement of temple assets.

Says Knapp: Why such occurrences are so often not known is that the Indian
media, especially the English television and press, are often anti-Hindu in
their approach, and thus not inclined to give much coverage, and certainly
no sympathy, for anything that may affect the Hindu community. Therefore,
such government action that play against the Hindu community go on without
much or any attention attracted to them.

Knapp obviously is on record. If the facts produced by him are incorrect, it
is up to the government to say so. It is quite possible that some
individuals might have set up temples to deal with lucrative earnings. But
that, surely, is none of the governments business? Instead of taking over
all earnings, the government surely can appoint local committees to look
into temple affairs so that the amount discovered is fairly used for the
public good?

Says Knapp: Nowhere in the free, democratic world are the religious
institutions managed, maligned and controlled by the government, thus
denying the religious freedom of the people of the country. But it is
happening in India. Government officials have taken control of Hindu temples
because they smell money in them, they recognise the indifference of Hindus,
they are aware of the unlimited patience and tolerance of Hindus, they also
know that it is not in the blood of Hindus to go to the streets to
demonstrate, destroy property, threaten, loot, harm and kill

Many Hindus are sitting and watching the demise of their culture. They need
to express their views loud and clear Knapp obviously does not know that
should they do so, they would be damned as communalists. But it is time some
one asked the Government to lay down all the facts on the table so that the
public would know what is happening behind its back. Robbing Peter to pay
Paul is not secularism. And temples are not for looting, under any name. One
thought that Mohammad of Ghazni has long been dead.

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Bhushan Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Sad. Gross injustice to Hindus in their own land. Do they have the support of Muslims and Christians, who call themselves secular in this matter?

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well, that is secularism, baby!

while most of this is true, there is one element supportive of the board management – only very few temples are well-off; and the money from these is used to support the non-welloff thousands of temples.

However, I believe money is diverted for non-temple purpose and that should be a no-no.

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S Singh Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

YSR, the Congress “revivor” in AP , went a step further. He diverted part of the Tirupati money to fund Christians’ pilgrimage to Vatica.

His son also is a looter; however, he will not be looting in congress name anymore..

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Rajeev Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Mr.Singh,
Some of my telugu friends told me that YSR had setup many churches around 7 hills of Tirupati. He was planning on having a church in Tirupati itself.
During YSR years, conversion to christianity was encouraged by Andhra govt. I personally know some crypto christians who still use last name ‘Reddy’.
According to unofficial sources, Christian population in India including crypto christians exceeds 6-7%. The state of punjab that had very few christian today officially has 5% christians.
The pace of conversion picked up once Sonia was voted into power.

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Leftists lost bad in the last state elections. Congress also for all the Rahul mania they pumped up. BJP of course did worse than Congress.

Muslims voted for Amma here in TN, dropping their past favourite, DMK. I do not think Muslims fit the Zia model; they will migrate to the Nitish Kumar model more and more.

There is no more a leveler and a “belonger” than education and economic growth. And as Muslims (and others) move up the ladder, they will vote more on the base of economic and social platforms rather than on a religious affiliation platform

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Aaloke Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

Recent Elections were held in States where BJP has hardly any strength. However all by election seats in Karnataka have been won by BJP.

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Rajeev Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

I think BJP needs to work in Andhra and North east. With that it will reach all states except southern politically bimaru states of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

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gautam gulathi- excellent post- were the number of zeroes correct- is it really 3100 crore rupees deposited with Sabarimala every yr ??#
also is it really true that funds were ACTUALLY diverted to haj or vatican tours- we need to see actual evidence, links

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Rajeev Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

Where do you think this Hajj subsidy comes from?

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tajender Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

paaji sabrimala is pure fraud.things like this used to happen in baku before communist revolution.1.5 crores used to attend the show of agni devta.communists exposed the fraud and show was banned.
only in mentally backward countries like india these frauds are allowed to happen.

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Rajeev Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

Obviously Hajj is not a fraud committed by Saudis on slave muslims on the world.

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tajender Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

haj is duty sins will not finish even if i do haj.ur crying on haj subsidy shows ur cheapness meanness and naroowmindedness.also ur hatred for muslims.we are 15% and creator of wealth.bania become rich by trading our`product.a smaal ticket subsidy is not happily accepted.
what type of people u are i could not understand.whenever pakistani prisoner goes back to pakistan,most of them loose their senses,because of bad behaviour in indian jails.
u people are muslim baiter and boasters.

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Rajeev Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

Hajj is not a duty but a ploy by Saudis to milk slaves like you.

tajender Reply:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:06 am

there is no concept of daskhina in islam.nobody can ask money anywhere.

Rajeev Reply:
June 16th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

There is concept of extortion in Islam.

air ticket discount is only sibsidy.which muslims dont wants.billions are spend in organizing and on security of these annual frauds

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सोमालियाई लुटेरों के चंगुल से छूट कर छह भरातीयों के घर लौटने की खबर उनके परिवार वालों के लिए बड़ी राहत बन कर आई है। उन्हें अफसोस है तो इस बात का कि इस रिहाई में भारत सरकार का या देश के नेताओं का कोई योगदान नहीं है। यह रिहाई संभव हुई पाकिस्तानी मानवाधिकार कार्यकर्ता अंसार बर्नी की वजह से जिन्होंने चंदा करके सभी बंधकों की रिहाई सुनिश्चित करवाई।

एक बंधक रविंदर गुलिया की पत्नी संपा कहती हैं ,’ यह इंसानियत का बंधन है जो देश और जाति की सीमा से ऊपर है और इसी की वजह से हमारे अपनों की जान बची। ‘ उन्होंने कहा कि मैं पाकिस्तानी नागरिक बर्नी और यहां तक कि पाकिस्तान सरकार का भी हृदय से धन्यवाद करती हूं। उन लोगों ने बंधकों को छुड़ाने के लिए सबकुछ किया , पर हमारी सरकार और हमारे लोगों ने हमें निराश किया। ‘

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the work of Ansar Burney over the last 10 years in promoting friendship with India and hindu-sikhs is hugely commendable
hoodbhoy, burney, asma jehangir, nadeem piracha- these are the flames that have not yet been extinguished in banana republic of Pakistan yet

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This is a cue for all english blog writers and people who live in their own world.

A common man doesn’t take Hindutva in negative terms and branding BJP with Hindutva doesn’t help UPA cause.

Yes the BJP is confused but so is Congress. If they think UPA is in power because public rejected the Hindutva they are mistaken. UPA is in power on purely “jod tod” Their popularity is at the same level as it was in 1999, actually it has gone down.

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Rajeev Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

Congree is in power because fanatic 6% christians (real and crypto) and hinduphobic muslims are solidly behind it. This govt. is by minorities, for minorities and of minorities.

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L Mirza Reply:
June 15th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

Govt is ot for aybody! Oly for some looters ad cheaters

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The hindus are on backfoot all over south Asia-
1. India – Hindu majority is ruled and humiliated by govt. controlled by minorities.
2. Pakistan – Hindus are subjugated and forced to live in humiliating conditions.
3. Nepal – The hindu state has been replaced by secular states where minorities are on rampage. The christian conversion is in full swing due to fanatic christians who pose as maoists.
4. Bangladesh – Hindus are treated as 2nd class citizen.
5. Srilanka – Sri lanka has institutionalized way to discriminate against hindus. LTTE is gone but there has been no solution for hindus.
6. Bhutan – It doesn’t treat hindus as equal citizen.
7. Afghanistan – Less said the better.

In almost all the cases muslims are the guilty party. Zia should look into this angle but his worldview is so narrow he can not see beyond his Islam and Quran.

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tajender Reply:
June 16th, 2011 at 10:59 am

which hindu u are talking.85%hindu are the victim of hinduism.

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Tribunals to be convened in London, Dublin, Brussels and Rome on September 15, 2011

The ITCCS Executive announced today that its member organizations plan to convene opening sessions into crimes of church and state in four European capitals on September 15.

“These cities are all very close to the scene of the historical crimes we’ll be investigating, and are home to the institutions that have been summoned to appear at our Tribunals, such as the Vatican and the Crown of England” said ITCCS Executive official Dr. Eduardo Rosario today at a gathering in London.

“We look to the European Parliament and its Human Rights courts to aid us in our deliberations, and we deliberately chose to meet in Brussels to seek such help from the European Union.”

Pope Joseph Ratzinger and Queen Elizabeth Windsor have both been issued a Public Summons by the ITCCS to appear before it in September and answer charges of their complicity in crimes against humanity, genocide and child trafficking.

The ITCCS has the endorsement of over thirty organizations, including eight indigenous nations in North America and Asia, survivors of Catholic church torture in Ireland, Australia and England, and the autonomous sovereign nation of Eurostaete.

Other Tribunals associated with the ITCCS will also be convened on September 15 in Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa, Canada, in New York City, in Mexico City, and at venues in Australia to be announced.

Tags: church crimes, genocide, holocaust
Category Action: What to Do, Canada, Countries, England, Ireland, Italy, Legal Background, Media

All Roads, and Crimes, Lead to Rome: Global Protest and Fast to commence there on October 30, 2011 0 Posted on June 09, 2011 by itccs

Notice this!Survivors of crimes by the so-called Roman Catholic church will gather from around the world in Rome on Sunday, October 30 at 12 noon outside the Vatican to begin what some are calling “a Second Reformation.”

“We are in a spiritual battle with a murderous lie masquerading behind religion” said Rev. Kevin Annett today. “As we have pulled back its false mask and ordered it to depart from among us, now we must cleanse ourselves and our society of its influence, and enshrine truth and transformation where we once upheld injustice.”

On October 30, Annett and survivors of church torture will conduct a third and final exorcism outside the Vatican, and will commence a 24 hour Fast for purification and transformation. Since October, 2009, Rev. Annett has conducted two public exorcisms and memorial services outside the Vatican for the victims of the church.
The next day, survivors from many countries will gather at St. Peter’s Square in Rome for a protest and international press conference, and to escalate the campaign to bring the church under public control.

“I will be coming to Rome with other survivors of Catholic Indian residential schools to stand with Reverend Annett” said ITCCS official Jeremiah Jourdain, a Cree tribal elder from Winnipeg, Canada.

“I saw children die at the hands of priests in my school. The day is over when the church can get away with murder.”

ITCCS members in Rome will host the event along with Survivors Voice and groups from Ireland, Australia and the USA.

Category Action: What to Do, Canada, Countries, England, Ireland, Italy, Legal Background, Media, Testimonies of Survivors and Eyewitnesses

The Web of Crime Widens: How Much Money does the Vatican soak from ordinary citizens? 0 Posted on June 09, 2011 by itccs
ITCCS researchers have discovered that at least 73 nations have signed secret treaties or Concordats with the Vatican, many of them since 1982, which channel untold billions of dollars of taxpayers’ money into church coffers. These countries include Canada, the United States, England, Ireland, virtually all European countries, and most of the third world.

Under the concordats, a regular percentage of national revenue – anywhere from two to five percent – is given to the Vatican either directly or in the form of subsidies to church-controlled businesses or “charitable”societies. In 2010 alone, Spain granted 262 million Euros to the Vatican – or over $350 million – under its concordat, which also entitles the catholic church to help formulate laws and control education.

“The figure is enormous” commented Hugo Barrero, an Argentinian who has studied the concordats.

“So much money is pouring into Rome through these agreements that the Vatican bank has a special financial officer just to handle the concordat money. But like the Bank itself, most of these agreements are secret and can’t be modified or even reviewed by elected officials of that country.”

The estimated cash assets each year from catholic church collections alone exceeds $50 billion, according to Barrero, and it’s all tax free.

“Even the costs of construction and maintenance on catholic church buildings can’t be taxed. Somebody has called the church an unregulated on-shore tax haven subsidized by taxpayers to pursue the supernatural. But in many cases, it’s actually pursuing child trafficking and rape.”

Requests to government officials or Members of Parliament or Congress in the United States, Canada, Ireland and England for copies of the respective nation’s concordats with the Vatican have repeatedly gone unanswered.

For more, plesae visit http://www.concordatwatch.eu/

Category Countries, Italy, Legal Background, Media

Autonomous European Nation endorses Kevin Annett and the ITCCS, Calls for Recognition of Republic of Kanata 0 Posted on June 02, 2011 by itccs

Amsterdam, Netherlands

The autonomous Republic of Eurostaete and its officials have formally endorsed the aims and work of Rev. Kevin Annett and the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), following a conference held near Amsterdam on May 28.

Eurostaete also welcomed the establishment of The Republic of Kanata as “a hope and an inspiration” to victims of the Crown of England and “religious intolerance”.

Dr. Gerard Beukeveld, founder and head Regent of The Republic of Eurostaete, announced the endorsement of the ITCCS at the end of the conference where Rev. Kevin Annett was the featured speaker.

“In defending Indian people targeted for genocide, Mr. Annett has defended the same principles we believe in, especially the rights of nations to sovereignty. We therefore join him in holding accountable the powers that have caused these crimes against humanity” stated Dr. Beukeveld.

We welcome the establishment of The Republic of Kanata and call for its diplomatic recognition by other nations, for only in the democratic courts of such a new Republic can indictments be brought against those powers.

The Republic of Kanata was proclaimed on July 1, 2009 in Winnipeg, Canada by native and non-native people frustrated by the refusal of Crown-based Canadian courts to prosecute the government of Canada and its churches for Genocide. Rev. Annett is a member of the Republic’s Provisional Council.

In accepting Eurostaete’s endorsement, Rev. Annett presented Dr. Beukeveld and other Eurostaete officials with the flag of The Republic of Kanata, and said,

Our common stand today is part of a growing movement to bring to trial the churches and governments that exterminated millions of indigenous people, including our ancestors here in Europe. The global corporate agenda is continuing this extermination as we speak, and so we must hold on to our lands and our lives as free and sovereign people if we are to survive.

Observers from Eurostaete will be present at the convening of the ITCCS Tribunal in London, England in mid September, and at other Tribunal locations to be disclosed.

Issued by the ITCCS Executive, 2 June, 2011

Category Action: What to Do, Canada, Legal Background, Media, Netherlands

Kevin Annett Jailed, Barred from re-entering England 0 Posted on May 31, 2011 by itccs
London, UK: Monday, May 30, 2011

On the verge of his addressing a major public rally in London against child trafficking by church and state, Rev. Kevin Annett was arrested and detained in an immigration prison at Stansted airport last night for over 12 hours, and then deported from England without due cause.

Border officials detained Kevin at 8 pm Sunday night upon his return from speaking in the Netherlands, and deported him the next morning, after fingerprinting, photographing and jailing him in a crowded immigration prison cell.

“The only reason they gave for denying me re-entry into England was that my giving public lectures was not an appropriate activity for visitors to that country, if you can believe that” Kevin Annett said today in a press statement.

“But I’ve repeatedly mentioned my lecturing work to customs people whenever I enter England, and it’s never been an issue before now. And the cop who detained me admitted that the decision to deny me entry came after he consulted his supervisor and the computer files about me.”

Kevin was detained by British customs police and members of the private security firm Reliance, which operates the airport detention facilities and growing numbers of prisons in England.

While detained, Kevin was denied the right to communicate with others, and the arresting officers refused to give him their names or badge numbers. This morning, Kevin was sent back to his departure point in Eindhoven, Netherlands.

“This was obviously aimed at our ITCCS tribunal, to prevent its convening this September in London. But nothing will halt our campaign for the murdered and tortured children. This only shows how scared these villains are of exposure.”

A complete description of the incident, and Kevin’s public statement, will follow shortly.

Issued by the Executive, The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS)

Rev. Kevin Annett (left) at the Protest the Pope March last September in London, England
Rev. Kevin Annett (right) outside Canada House in Trafalgar SquareCategory Action: What to Do, Countries, England, Historical Background, Media, reality checks

An Open Letter of Concern to the Trustees and Directors of The National Portrait Gallery, London, England 0 Posted on May 23, 2011 by itccs
To whom it may concern,

During a recent visit I made to the National Portrait Gallery in London, I was shocked to observe on display in one of your galleries a portrait of the infamous General Geoffrey Amherst, a British officer who by his own admission ordered the dissemination of smallpox-infected blankets among the Mi’kmaq Indians of Nova Scotia during the 1740′s.

Amherst’s order to his subordinate, a Major Bouquet, is documented in his own hand writing in his journal, which was recently published by the Mi’kmaq Nation.

Your display made no reference to this murderous action by Amherst, but simply described him as a loyal and victorious officer who was knighted by the Crown for his actions in the wars against the French in Canada.

As a publicly-funded educational institution, you have a duty of care and a legal responsibility to display history accurately and truthfully, which in the case of Geoffrey Amherst, you have not done. By appearing to conceal the proven fact of Amherst’s complicity in Genocide, you bring disrepute not only to your institution but to the Crown as well.

I urge your researchers and officers to consult my research on the issue of genocide in Canada, including Amherst’s smallpox war against the Mi’kmaqs, by accessing my book Hidden No Longer: Genocide in Canada, Past and Present (2010), at http://www.hiddennolonger.com . I will gladly provide you with a hard copy of this book, which has been quoted in the Canadian Parliament and at the United Nations.

I also request that you incorporate this research and information about Amherst into your display, or explain publicly why you refuse to do so.

Finally, I am sending a copy of this letter to the government of England, the United Nations, the world media, and the Mi’kmaq Nation, who I expect will also contact you over this grave matter.

I look forward to your reply,

sincerely,

Reverend Kevin D. Annett

Category Action: What to Do, Canada, England, Historical Background, Legal Background, Media, reality checks

The Wall of Holocaust Denial Begins to Topple: Aboriginal Museum is Forced to Display Evidence of the Canadian Genocide 0 Posted on May 14, 2011 by itccs
An Update, with thanks to Jim Windle of Teka News
Brampton, Ontario

For the first time in Canadian history, a public museum will exhibit evidence which makes reference to overtly genocidal policies by both the churches and government of Canada towards indigenous people, including in the deadly Indian residential schools.

Relying primarily on the research gathered by Rev. Kevin Annett in his book Hidden No Longer: Genocide in Canada, Past and Present (2010, http://www.hiddennolonger.com), the aboriginal advisory committee of the new Peel Region Heritage Museum in Brampton, Ontario convinced the Museum designers, Vilnis Cultural Design Works, to establish a display that shows that genocide, according to the United Nations’ definition of the crime, did occur in the Indian residential school system.

The schools were established and run jointly by the Vatican and the Crown of England in 1834, and continued until 1996. According to government statistics, nearly half of the 150,000 children in these schools died because of treatment and conditions there.

The decision to document this genocide in the new Peel Region Museum was forced by the Advisory committee’s chair, Allan Jamieson of the Haudenosaunee Nation, who faced major opposition from Vilnis to include the term “genocide” in the Museum displays.

“We want to tell our story about what happened to our people, and is still happening in Canada, and we want Canadians and others to learn about it, and we don’t want to sugar coat it” said Jamieson to Teka News this week.

“As victims of this genocide, we have a right to characterize for ourselves how we have been, and still are mistreated. The committee’s work does not include having to convince the Vilnis team of genocide in Canada … It is truly tiring and demeaning to have to try to convince learned people about accurate history.”

Allan Jamieson, who has consulted Rev. Annett in the past, has also learned that Canadian government agencies make up about one third of Vilnis’ business. Their list of clients includes companies that also benefit from the dispossession of First Nations lands including a home builders association, a mining association, and a pulp and paper company.

Until now, not a single Canadian Museum has displayed the evidence of the massive mortality level in Indian residential schools or of their deliberate murder and crimes, documented in archived letters and testimonies published by Rev. Annett since 1998.

“It’s an incredible breakthrough” commented Rev. Annett today in London, England, where he is working with an International Tribunal to bring charges against Canada and its churches for genocide.

“Thanks to the persistence of Allan Jamieson and his people, the truth of crimes against humanity in Canada is finally being formally acknowledged, and taught to the next generation. The walls of denial are tumbling, and a huge leap has now been made towards bringing those responsible to justice.”

The London-based International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) has been endorsed by over thirty organizations, including survivors of child abuse in nine nations, as well as seven different indigenous nations across Canada.

- information from the files of Teka News, Brantford, Ontario, Vol. 42, issue 19, May 11, 2011

Category Canada, Countries, Media

Is Britain’s cover-up of its 1845-1850 holocaust in Ireland the most successful Big Lie in all of history? 0 Posted on April 27, 2011 by itccs
The cover-up is accomplished by the same British terrorism and bribery that perpetrated the genocide. Consider: why does Irish President Mary Robinson call it “Ireland’s greatest natural 1 disaster” while she conceals the British army’s role? Potato blight, “phytophthora infestans”, did spread from America to Europe in 1844, to England and then Ireland in 1845 but it didn’t cause famine anywhere. Ireland did not starve for potatoes; it starved for food.

Ireland starved because its food, from 40 to 70 shiploads per day, was removed at gunpoint by 12,000 British constables reinforced by the British militia, battleships, excise vessels, Coast Guard and by 200,000 British soldiers (100,000 at any given moment) The attached map shows the never-before-published names and locations in Ireland of the food removal regiments (Disposition of the Army; Public Record Office, London; et al, of which we possess photocopies). Thus, Britain seized from Ireland’s producers tens of millions of head of livestock; tens of millions of tons of flour, grains, meat, poultry & dairy products; enough to sustain 18 million persons.

The Public Record Office recently informed us that their British regiments’ Daily Activity Reports of 1845-1850 have “gone missing.” Those records include each regiment’s cattle drives and grain-cart convoys it escorted at gun-point from the Irish districts assigned to it. Also “missing” are the receipts issued by the British army commissariat officers in every Irish port tallying the cattle and tonnage of foodstuff removed; likewise the export lading manifests. Other records provide all-revealing glimpses of the “missing” data; such as: …

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Category Countries, England, Historical Background, Ireland

AN URGENT REQUEST FROM KEVIN ANNETT AND THE ITCCS: 0 Posted on April 05, 2011 by itccs
URGENT ACTION NEEDED:
Help Bring the Pope to Trial: Support the application at the International Criminal Court today!

Protestors in UKDear friends,

You can have a direct and real impact on the efforts to bring the Pope, Joseph Ratzinger, to trial at the International Criminal Court (ICC). Here’s how:

Two German lawyers, Christian Sailer and Gert Hetzel, have applied to the ICC prosecutor, Dr. Luis Moreno Ocampo, to begin the prosecution of the Pope as a German citizen who is complicit in crimes against humanity.

The Prosecutor will decide by May 15 whether or not to pursue criminal proceedings against Ratzinger. If he does so, an amazing and historic opening will be made that will shift public consciousness enormously.

To make this happen, as many groups, individuals and survivors of church crimes as possible must IMMEDIATELY write to Dr. Ocampo and ask him to pursue charges against the Pope by supporting the Sailer-Hetzel application.

Please send a letter to:

The Prosecutor
The International Criminal Court
Dr. Luis Moreno Ocampo
Maanweg 174
NL-2516 AB Den Haag

The Hague, The Netherlands

AND

also by entering their names in one of the websites of the German lawyers Christian Sailer and Gert Hetzel:
http://www.popeaccountability.org/do-you-approve-/index.php (English)

http://www.der-fall-des-papstes.com/finden-sie-das-gut/index.php (German)

From these websites you will soon be able to go to the Spanish, Italian and French sites.

We in The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) fully support these two German lawyers and their application at the ICC. We call upon all our affiliates and supporters in every country to contact the lawyers and the ICC Prosecutor and immediately support the application to prosecute the Pope.

Do so before May 15! Have an impact!

We will keep you updated about the ICC application.
With my thanks,

Kevin Annett
Secretary, ITCCS

Tags: canada, church crimes, genocide, holocaust, kevin annett, pedophilia, residential schools
Category Canada, Countries, England, Ireland, Media

Riding the Groundswell: A Report on my Recent Speaking Tour 0 Posted on April 04, 2011 by itccs
by Kevin Annett

For five weeks starting in late February, I visited fifteen cities across Europe and Canada, and spoke at twenty four public gatherings: in bookstores, community centers, among indigenous people on their traditional lands, and even to a packed Opera House in Ljubljana, Slovenia.

The tour was scheduled as a book launch for my just-released “Unrepentant: Disrobing the Emperor”, but it quickly became much more than that: as I helped survivors of church torture picket Catholic churches as far away as Copenhagen and Toronto, and served a Public Summons on Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper in Ottawa, and received new endorsements for our International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) from indigenous groups here in “Canada”.

What was common, however, was that everywhere, I encountered the same courage and determination in people who I met, and a growing groundswell of support for our campaign to end the reign of terror against our children, our rights, and our planet.

Frankly, my head is still spinning from my tour, so I hope I capture the essentials of what I experienced, and the enormous change that is shifting our world, symbolized perhaps by the earthquakes that rock our planet daily.

Since the tour, I am more hopeful than ever about the future of our work. For one thing, the crowds at our events keep getting bigger: at venues where I had previously spoken, the attendance was twice the size than previously. I was interviewed on national media in Slovenia and Denmark, and local media all over England and Canada. But most important, many more people stepped forward at these events to sign up with our campaign.

As is expected, the attempts to undermine and sabotage our work also increased, primarily in Canada, where gatherings in Brantford and Hamilton were the target of misinformation and smear campaigns aimed at me. This was undoubtedly due to the fact that the area is a center of native activism and support for my work. Fortunately, the organizers at these events spotted the signs and helped diffuse the lies and keep our events on track.

In this regard, one of the more amusing incidents happened in Hamilton, during the waning days of my tour, when the local police informed the organizers of my talk at Mohawk College that an “undercover” cop from their “hate crimes” division would be present at my lecture to monitor what I said. In response, many of you wrote to the Hamilton police challenging this obvious intimidation tactic, and I myself asked the head cop in question whether his department was also investigating the churches that murdered local native children with the same interest.

He hasn’t replied to me.

During that same week, I was delighted to speak to a wonderful class of Catholic high school students near Toronto, many of whom want to sign up with our work to hold their own church accountable for its ongoing crimes against children. Their support, like that of traditional Catholic college students in Cork, Ireland where I won a public debate with a Vatican official last year, indicates how much the church is a trembling house of cards, behind its image of solidity.

It was also a high point on my tour when I was presented with the Two Row Wampum Belt by elders of the Kanien’keha:ka (Mohawk) Nation near Montreal, and, as part of their endorsement of our ITCCS, was authorized by them to bring the message of the Two Row Wampum to my people. This Belt was the original treaty of equality between Europeans and the Mohawks which was abrogated and violated by the English Crown. Undoing the genocide of residential schools involves, I believe, the re-establishment of the Two Row Wampum, and the dis-establishment of the Crown of England and its false jurisdiction.

I am resuming the next phase of my tour in mid April – hey, two weeks is plenty of rest for me! – when I return to Ontario, and then back to London, England on May 7. I will be based in London throughout the summer and into the fall months, and will travel from there all over Europe and North America.

During those months, I will be helping organize our September Tribunal in London and building up the networks that will sustain our campaign, especially among groups of survivors all over Europe. We have a promise of support from politicians in Italy and Ireland, and from the same German-based media group that has broadcast our film Unrepentant to over 10 million viewers since August. We also recently received a generous financial offer from a donor to sustain our campaign and pay for travel costs.

We now have five local groups in Canada, two in Ireland, five in England, one in Australia, and two each in Denmark and Slovenia, that endorse our ITCCS hearings in the fall, and most of which will be holding forums of their own to coincide with the Tribunal. In these gatherings we will be composing the indictments by which we will bring to common law trial and sentencing those persons and institutions that planned and continue crimes against children, the earth and indigenous people.

We have a growing legal advisory team that will be guiding this aspect of our campaign, but we also look to indigenous elders and survivors of genocide in many countries to help determine the course of our work. We are part of an enormous work in progress, the future of which is in your hands.

In that regard, I have reprinted below recent you tube postings of events related to my tour, including the endorsement from the Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake near Montreal.

I want to end by thanking all of you for your tireless efforts at hosting me and making the recent tour possible, and for preparing for the months ahead. More news and details are forthcoming.

As a survivor of the first residential school in Canada near Brantford said to me at my last public talk this week, as she embraced me,

“I didn’t want to trust you because you’re a white man. But after listening to you I don’t think that anymore. I’ve been waiting for what you’re doing my whole life and I ain’t gonna be silent anymore about they done to us.”

We are overcoming. Thanks my friends.

Kevin Eagle

Tags: canada, church crimes, kevin annett, pedophilia, residential schools
Category Action: What to Do, Canada, Countries, England, Historical Background, Ireland, Media, Mohawk Nation

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1. To bring to trial those persons and institutions responsible for the exploitation, torture and murder of children, past and present, and

2. To stop these and other criminal actions by church and state.

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Convening Session: Monday, September 12, 2011 in London

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Tribunals to be convened in London, Dublin, Brussels and Rome on September 15, 2011

The ITCCS Executive announced today that its member organizations plan to convene opening sessions into crimes of church and state in four European capitals on September 15.

“These cities are all very close to the scene of the historical crimes we’ll be investigating, and are home to the institutions that have been summoned to appear at our Tribunals, such as the Vatican and the Crown of England” said ITCCS Executive official Dr. Eduardo Rosario today at a gathering in London.

“We look to the European Parliament and its Human Rights courts to aid us in our deliberations, and we deliberately chose to meet in Brussels to seek such help from the European Union.”

Pope Joseph Ratzinger and Queen Elizabeth Windsor have both been issued a Public Summons by the ITCCS to appear before it in September and answer charges of their complicity in crimes against humanity, genocide and child trafficking.

The ITCCS has the endorsement of over thirty organizations, including eight indigenous nations in North America and Asia, survivors of Catholic church torture in Ireland, Australia and England, and the autonomous sovereign nation of Eurostaete.

Other Tribunals associated with the ITCCS will also be convened on September 15 in Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa, Canada, in New York City, in Mexico City, and at venues in Australia to be announced.

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GOD help us all- the comments section is getting dreary. Thanks SHAN for driving away all the pundits- syed, Ashish, Dr Mishra, Vinay, Shoeb K

Dear Zia
pl you send email to mishraji, syed bhai, shenoy poet, Vinay, Dr Shah Alam Khan and Ashish- we need their very rich contributions which then gets our own creative juices flowing
Mishraji in particular sets this place alight with his life experiences- ghazals, sailing etc

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tajender Reply:
June 16th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

sab aapkee karistani hai.

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rajeev,
naqshbandees are very soft spoken and kind people.how u become like this.WAS UR MOTHER JANSANGHI

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Rajeev Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 1:21 am

We are sufis on both side but sufis are not hardliners like you. I have never raised questions on Sufis but wahabis like you who disrespect hinduism in particular so that you can become a better muslims.

My problem is not with spiritual side of Mohammad and Islam but with the political side of it.

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tajender Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 6:16 am

i am going to bokhara to lay flowers on the shrine of hazrat bahauddin.i am not his follower but his admirer.i have read lot about islamic mystism or sufism.i am from lucknow .but i never knew that my city too has naqshbandis.that way i thank u.that too hindus.i will visit there.

whatever problem u have with islam,use better language.because u have good lineage and family.people from lucknow are soft and known for their good manners.
i am not advising u it is only request.vinod jee has barred me from his blog on the request and insistence of balwinder jee.so we can meet here.

i was born im muslim family.i had lot of confusion.at end i have reached to conclusion islam
best among worst.things has to be changed with time,it is changing.regimes like suadia is using islam as instrument of suppression,as rulers are jews hiding among muslims.with imperialist and zoinist support.but they are doing good job of building the nation.

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tajender Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 6:26 am

who disrespect hinduism

i dont hate t hinduism at all.but u people hardly know anything about true hinduism.by and large u people are muslim baiter and think that muslim baiting is hinduism.sanatn dharam is hinduism.but the situation is changing with time people are understanding.one rss pracharak from kanpur who past his life abusing islam, has now published book apoliging with muslims and praising inslam.i think his name is sree laxmiacharya jee.
wahbism is zoinsm.read the memoires of dr memphire. u will understand.this cult was created to enslave sudia.origin of king family is from jewish tribe of south iraaq.
brhmnst know this,that is why during nda rule,king was chief guest at 26th jan.parade.

Tajender,
Read page 129 of
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51933798/2/Photo-Gallery

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tajender Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 6:33 am

i have not only read it but i have saved it will visit places mentioned here in my next visit.sufism is the only remedy for present day maladies.this unites the people not divide.

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rajeev,

Sedition law must go. The Supreme court itself must scrap it.
Free speech and writing is the foundation of democracy. India calls itself a great democracy but hundreds have been jailed in Kashmir and else where for expressing their anguished feeling.
The section 124/A (sedition law) must be scrapped. Thinkers and scholars have the intellectual liberty to criticise anybody–not only the govt,. any religion or any god or god man.
M.K.Gandh i was also charged with sedition and he defended himself in 1922. “ Affection cannot be manufactured or regulated by law”, he asserted saying that section 124/A was manufactured by the British rulers to threaten and finish its enemies. India’s rulers who took over from the British, however, retained the same IPC to threaten people like us. Only when Binayak Sen of the ruling class fell a victim there was howl.

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Tajender,
I have absolutely no problem with spiritual side of Islam but I refuse to accept that Islam is the final religion.
I find sufism very close to hinduism because it allows total freedom to follow the path of spirtualism.
What I expect from muslims is that they should show same kind of respect for Hindu tradition and god (I am not asking you to worship hindu gods). All I want is TWO WAY respect.
According to me, hinduism is eternal and will remain so. We consider all religions as different paths to reach same god. There are some problems in hinduism especially casteism but tell me which religion doesn’t have problems. But most of these problems are social or political in nature.
When it comes to Ruhaniat Hinduism-Sufi Islam are two sides of same coin.

Please do not use degrading words for hinduism from now on. Let us stick to spiritual side and leave political angle.

You must admit that Islam is getting bad name because it is being used politically to gain lands and people.

May god bless you.

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tajender Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

What I expect from muslims is that they should show same kind of respect for Hindu tradition and god.

respecting hindu god is instructed in islam.what u are saying may be the practice of some people.
casteism is base of hinduism.in islam this is considered evil in hinduism it is duty.in islam ur deeds are more important than worship.
anyhow holy people of both side say that holy quran and holy vedas are very close.moreover description of prophet mohammad comes at many places in hindu holy scripture,may be they are right.
brhmnsm is a system which keeps unequal system intact and helps exploiters to exploit weak and poor.this is against sufism.this is my difference with them.

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“The BJP was seen moving towards a more secular platform in recent times. ” Now, you find BJP was once secular. Never heard you say so, though! All we heard, always, was the same old rhetoric- Ah, the communal BJP Anyways, all BJP supporters have lived with it, and take it in stride. The more you call us communal, the more we will reiterate ourselves the same way. Lets see who backs off.

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tajender Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

in practice bajpai was more secular than anyother primeminister of india.they talk hindu hindu only to capture middle class hindu votes.communal and secular is vote game.in practice every indian is same.

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Ravi Reply:
June 17th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

Manujsk

You mean just like us Congress supporter have learned to live with the jibe of “muslim lovers” and “vote bank” pleasers.

Join the club mate.

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Gopi Thomas Reply:
June 18th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

One can even construe a theory that Congress wants to keep Muslims and their other key voting blocks poor, because of their fear that growing middle class will incvreasingly gravitate to BJP.

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tajender Reply:
June 19th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

i agree

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Iran plans to send a live monkey into space in the summer, the country’s top space official said after the launch of the Rassad-1 satellite, state television reported on its website on Thursday.

“The Kavoshgar-5 rocket will be launched during the month of Mordad (July 23 to August 23) with a 285-kilogramme capsule carrying a monkey to an altitude of 120 kilometres (74 miles),” said Hamid Fazeli, head of Iran’s Space Organisation.

In February, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad unveiled a space capsule designed to carry a live monkey into space, along with four new prototypes of home-built satellites the country hopes to launch before March 2012.

At the time, Fazeli touted the launch of a large animal into space as the first step towards sending a man into space, which Tehran says is scheduled for 2020.

Iran sent small animals into space — a rat, turtles and worms — aboard its Kavoshgar-3 rocket in 2010.

Fazeli also announced plans for the launch in October of the Fajr reconnaissance satellite with “a life span of a year and a half, and to be placed at an altitude of 400 kilometres,” the website reported.

On Wednesday, the Islamic republic successfully put its Rassad-1 (Observation-1) satellite into orbit 260 kilometres above the Earth.

Rassad-1, which orbits the Earth 15 times every 24 hours and has a two-month life cycle, will be used to photograph the planet and transmit images, media reports said.

Originally scheduled to launch in August 2010, the satellite was built by Malek Ashtar University in Tehran, which is linked to Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards.

Iran, which first put a satellite into orbit in 2009, has outlined an ambitious space programme amid Western concerns.

Western powers fear that Iran’s space agenda might be linked to developing a ballistic missile capability that could deliver nuclear warheads.

But Tehran has repeatedly denied that its contentious nuclear and scientific programmes mask military ambitions.

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Two incidents of crime against women have been reported from Uttar Pradesh in a day. A 14-year-old-girl was stabbed in eye after she resisted rape attempt while an 18-year-old dalit girl was allegedly raped at gun point. A 14-year-old dalit girl suffered a grievous eye injury after she was stabbed a related stories
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llegedly by two youths when she resisted their attempt to rape her in Gursahaiganj area in Kannauj, a senior police officer said today.

Dilip and Niranjan Yadav attempted to rape the girl when she had gone out in connection with some work in Gadwa Buzurg village last evening, Rajendra Singh, Superintendent of Police Kannauj said.

“When the girl raised alarm, the duo attacked her with knives, piercing her left eye and injuring the other,” Singh said.

The girl has been referred to Kanpur for further treatment, the SP said.

“The two accused are from the girl’s village,” the SP said.

The left eye has suffered around 80 per cent damage and it might not be normal again as the cornea has been affected, a doctor at a local hospital said after examining the girl.

Sub divisional magistrate Manoj Singhal said that financial assistance would be given to the girl from the Chief Minister’s Relief Fund.

While in another case, an 18-year-old dalit girl was allegedly raped by a youth in Ranipur Beladi village in Basti, police said on Sunday.

Satti Singh allegedly raped the girl at gun point yesterday night, police said.

A case has been registered in this connection and manhunt for the accused is launched, they said.

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This blog The Bharatiya Janata Party is on a high. It is basking in the afterglow of anti-corruption revolutions, financial scandals………………………………
Thanking you sir,
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This writer is a xenophobic, trying to indulge in scaremongering.
Uma was expelled form the party. He does not write a word ever of how that Gilani masterminded the pogrom of Kashmiri Pandits and is still a mass leader.
Will the bill on preventing secular violence be implemented in Kashmir?

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