Can we trust Salman Khurshid with our affairs?



English constitutionalist Walter Bagehot once said of the monarchy something appropriate to India’s minority affairs minister Salman Khurshid too: both don’t let in daylight upon magic. In other words, both owe their success to their air of mystery.

Khurshid is described as a “dynamic leader of mankind” by a website on him. But unlike the monarchy, he doesn’t appeal much to the very masses he is supposed to represent in the larger body politic.

Put him in the company of lettered men or the so-called elite, he’s at home. Amid ordinary Muslims, a perfect stranger — even though he has almost everything going for him – his working knowledge of Urdu, Islamic theology and Muslim culture among things.

Muslims are often skeptical of him. Many explanations are offered for this icy disconnect — he doesn’t say his prayers as often as he should; he’s not even half as dogmatic as others when it comes to prickly issues and seldom hysterical. I take such explanations to be flimsy.

Yet, I believe, the reason he has failed to harness an impressive family legacy to top the popularity charts is simply because he has not tried hard enough. Maybe, he just doesn’t care. Maybe, he thinks it’s not worth trying.

With him as the minority affairs ministers, Muslims should have been sanguine in the belief that their affairs are in safe hands. Far from it.

A widening trust-deficit between influential Muslims and minority affairs minister Salman Khurshid threatens to stall a plan to put Islamic assets called wakf to profitable use — raising questions about how well the government’s schemes are taken by the community.

The UPA government is wary of murmurs of “wakf privatization”, especially from the Muslim Personal Law Board and Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind.

Wakf assets — strewn countrywide — are Islamic endowments for charity, usually in the form of prime real estate. According to a parliamentary report, they can generate over Rs 10,000 crore in potential revenue.

A parliamentary report says of the 4-lakh hectares of wakf property, nearly 3 lakh remain encroached, often by government entities.

Now, plans for a clean-up – with a wakf development agency and mandatory wakf registration — by modifying an earlier law have come unstuck. Even Muslim MPs raised doubts, resulting in they holding back the legislation.

How a wakf is to be used depends on its creator’s intentions – a principle called mansha-e-wakf. Some wakfs, like a drinking-water facility, can serve everybody, unlike others, such as a school for needy Muslims.

The Cabinet recently approved the hiring of a consultant to suggest a finance mechanism – a tricky area, since wakf assets cannot be hired, mortgaged, gifted or sold.

Critics say such financing could route wakf revenue to non-Muslim entities if their funds are used. Khurshid refutes: “By creating an agency to finance wakfs, their properties cannot into the hands of non-Muslims.”

There is absolutely no evidence that Khurshid has mala fide intentions. He held a very resolute brief for Jamia Millia’s status as a minority institution. So, if it’s not necessary for Muslims to oppose Khurshid, it’s necessary not to oppose him.

A snob yes. Arrogant yes. But a traitor? No. That’s my verdict on Khurshid. But snobbery is so monarchical a trait. It doesn’t go well with democracy’s leaders. It can even be politically counter-productive. Khurshid knows what the heck I’m talking about.

1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (17 votes, average: 2.76 out of 5)
Loading ... Loading ...
  • shan

    This one breaks zia’s all previous record for being the most REACTIONARY article written by him
    Lets start with the opening lines. Please zia leave this to me. Monarchy survives mainly in ENGLAND not so in scotland or Wales , because WORKING CLASS(a bit akin to fanatic muslim mob), cannot relate with science or fine arts , and due to class structure is shunned by the middle class , and religion has left them SO ONLY THING THEY CAN RELATE TO IS WITH THE MONARCHY , A KIND OF DEIFIICATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ENGLISH NATIONALISM.THAT IT REPRESENTS
    Regarding shunned by middle classes, let me clarify. Every working class home flies the english flag , a red cross on white representing PATRON SAINT OF ENGLAND St George.Now any middle class buyer sees a house with this flag , immediately is put off , infact the price of the house in the neighbourhood goes down.

    Next is Salman Khurshid, can readers detect any echoes of the abuse hurled at ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN . The same syndrome here.Zia doesn’t mince his words , just puts it in third person
    Muslims are often skeptical of him. Many explanations are offered for this icy disconnect — he doesn’t say his prayers as often as he should; he’s not even half as dogmatic as others when it comes to prickly issues and seldom hysterical

    What is the problem with Salman Khurshid , well to start with his wife is MARIA FERNANDEZ.
    How can salman khurshid be a saccha mussalman , IF HE HAS FAILED TO CONVERT HIS WIFE TO BEGUM MARIAM KHURSHID
    He is liberal SECULAR cambridge educated , the VILEST antiislamic trait a muslim can posses
    Perhaps Khurshid supported Arif Khan in the infamous Shah Bano case , would some blogger please enlighten me.Perhaps zia should pitch for MJ Akbar , a thoroughbred reactionary and islamic flag waver.

    Next is WAQF property, this is what zia writes
    The Cabinet recently approved the hiring of a consultant to suggest a finance mechanism – a tricky area, since wakf assets cannot be hired, mortgaged, gifted or sold
    OH REALLY , Then Mukesh Ambani has built his ONE BILLION DOLLAR(yes you have read it correct)PAD suspended up in the air. Zia do your homework first.
    This waqf is a source for making money for the BEARDED ONES who mange these estates.
    It is sold at a pittance , THE BACKHANDER TO THE BEARDED ONES , SEES THAT MARKET FORCES ARE KEPT AT BAY.
    Look at the state of muslims all over the world, libya for instance , nato bombimf with impunity , still these geezer zia doesn’t learn. I SAY JUNK THEOLOGY EMBRACE SCIENCE , APPLY MODERN FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES(then again zia has problem , IT IS UNISLAMIC) USE THE PROCEEDS TO BUILD SCHOOL FOR POOR FROM ALL COMMUNITIES NOT JUST ISLAMIC.
    So the REAL reason for non acceptibility by muslims of khurshid has nothing to do with his capability to deliver the goods that will help in the upliftment of muslims
    ZIA KNOWS WHAT THE HECK I AM TALKING ABOUT.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    shan u worship penis cow and monkeys in 21 cntury and teaching us lessons of embrassing science.nearly all muslim countries have literacy level more than india.barring pakistan and afgjhanistan.in india we are pushed to poverty and education is expensive..u have no scientific achievement in past or present.u are expert in making money through the fraud.one king of fraud has died last week leaving billions.
    regarding salman he is too soft gentle and honest to be politician.he is kept in congress in congress because of his family background.if u go through history muslims always kept christian and jewish wife and them to practice their religion,for muslims it is nothing new.
    u are right he has no root in muslim community.actually he is hated by his own close ones.

    politicians should come from grass root level like narendra modi,nitish kumar mayawat even laloo was better than high caste cms who only looted bihar destroyed education system.
    and perpetuated communal riots in every city of bihar.

    [Reply]

    Debdeep Reply:

    well, someone’s penis brought you to this world, Tajendar, so if your religion prevents you from worshipping the stone phallus, feel free to worship mine.

    Muslims like you need to be educated in the real world, learn science and technology, forsake jihad, and contribute to society.

    [Reply]

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Salman Khurshid defended SIMI after the Mumbai bomb blasts which killed hundreds. As a lawyer, he is allowed to do that. Indeed, even serial killers have this right. But when you are a member of Congress at a senior level, and a minister to boot, THEN THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

    Can you then claim to be completely neutral to this vicious seditious group in the future? Can you defend India and be part in our own war against terror or will you go on claiming SIMI is a misunderstood cultural organisation, when presumably you are a part of cabinet discussions on this subject?

    Just a thought.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    karkare was calling for help for 45 minutes nobody reached there.control room was 10 minute walk.ultimately they were released in absence of proof.police was catching wrong persons to make money.to defend innocents is duty of lawyer.those days abhinav bharat was planting bombs.as they were afraid of exposure of truth.used to beat lawyers if someone wants to defend.

    [Reply]

    Debdeep Reply:

    Tajender, Looks like you were present with Karkare when he was calling for help for 45 mins?
    Were you with Kasav firing bullets ? Looks like you are the local help of 26/11 which Congress never talks about.

    [Reply]

  • John

    Mule is a cross-breed between a horse and a donkey. Similarly, ‘indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis/sri lankans’ are cross-breeds between Aryan and Dravidian (austral-african, black, negrito). The Muslims/Christians in the sub-continent are only converts to Islam/Christianity. For eg. Salman Kurshid is Aryan while APJ Abdul Kalam is Dravidian admixture. Humans are vertebrate mammals belonging to the primate (monkeys, apes etc.) family of animals. That is the scientific view. God and religions are just mythical folklore to explain humanity in older (un-scientific) times.

    [Reply]

    raman Reply:

    John is a mixture of his father and mother….Leave alone GOD…

    [Reply]

    RajX Reply:

    Hahaha..funny distraction. Please post often.

    [Reply]

    BM Reply:

    The biggest cross breed are British. No one knows what he/she is, Anglo, Saxon, French, Germans, Italians or what. Brits are a cross between French, Germans, Russians and Croats.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    salman is not aryan he is pure pathan from afghanistan whose family came india not very long ago.

    [Reply]

    RajX Reply:

    Pathans are a cross breed as are most communities in that area. So there nothing called a pure Pathan. Maybe you were saying that he is a pure crossbreed.

    [Reply]

  • Dinesh

    Even Kapil Sibal was also known as DYNAMIC LEADER of MANKIND, and I was very impressed by his smartness. But instead of standing on strong principles , when this Leaders starts playing Tunes for Corrupts and Looters to cheat Citizens, for whom they indirectly becomes TRAITORS, then they are EVIL SOCIETY for CIVIL SOCIETY.

    [Reply]

  • RajX

    It appears that Zia thinks that minority affairs minister is actually a Muslim affairs minister. I am wondering what he will say if a Christian is appointed as a minority affairs minister.

    [Reply]

  • RajX

    I missed this one at first glance . The title is “Can we trust Salman Khurshid with our affairs”? The “we” and “our” refers to Muslims. So Zia is writing for Muslims and nobody else. He is a Muslim affairs correspondent for HT and salman kurshid, the “Muslim” affairs minister for India. They are a fine pair.hahaha.

    [Reply]

  • http://- Rajeev

    Osama is dead…great news…

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    Not great news , THE GREATEST NEWS OF 21ST CENTURY, USA should do a proper job AND CLEAN UP OR MOP UP ALL THE TERRORIST INFESTING PAKISTAN

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    victim of their policies become terrorist.death of ossama is good news and relief for many.
    now they are debt of 14 trillions better to leave them.and help their own people ,who are sleeping in gardens and have no job.
    poverty unemployment and hunger is base of terrorism.only 1%of what they are spending on wars if given to poors of that area will finish terrorism.otherwise they will turn ossama into che guera.

    [Reply]

    RajX Reply:

    Yes indeed. But unfortunately, mosques in all major Indian cities held a prayer for Osama as reported by TOI. I was under the impression that Muslims think that Osama is not a Muslim because he killed so many people( Muslims). But when now that lie has been exposed since some of them at least are offering prayers for him. The only consolation is that these prayer meetings were not well attended so maybe there is hope for this community.

    [Reply]

  • Karma

    Zia’s entire rant is about how Salman Khurshid doesn’t understand the nuances of the muslim people rendering him incapable of being trusted with “our affairs”. Mr.Khurshid is a minority affairs minister, not a Muslim Affairs minster.

    [Reply]

  • Atul

    Salman was a misfit in our corrupt political system, due to excessive St stephens, elite background and Cambridge, he never gelled with the grass roots, even when he was the presdent of UP congress He was representing UP Nawabs in some form or the other that irked masses and he was seen as an elite.

    It is a pity both including Arif M. Khan could have done a lot for indian politics and muslims in general. Both are vicitms of inhouse political bickering and fundamentalism from Saharnpur.

    Infact, I respect Arif a lot for taking stand in Shah Bano case, also for Salman having represented India and debated at UN on Kashmir against **** stalwarts in geneva with AB Vajpaye. Both Arif and Salman are highly competent and 100% Indian in spirit, character and letter.

    [Reply]

  • Mahesh Chandra

    Salman and me were classfellows in 1967-69 in DPS Mathura Road when in 198=69 we passed ISC.

    His simplicity can be estimated from the fact that he never spoke or let feel for 3 years in the classroom that he was the Grandson of Zakir Hussain. He behaved all through like he was from some low end colony of the city. He was weak in Science but exceptional English and oratory powers which clearly he uses to the fullest extent now.

    Mahesh Chandra

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    doc mishra, gud point above. But r u suggesting that lawyers in govt shud not fight any cases at all. Perhaps when SIMI hires Khurshid they r not only using his legal brains but also hoping for some behind the scenes influencing.
    maybe lawyers shud not take on cases of terror and corporate scams. maybe they shud not take on any cases at all when they get a salary from govt to be a MP or MLA.
    Maybe I shud myself declare a conflict of interest here cos our family is distantly related to Salman Khurshid lol lol

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    organization like simmi and im were mgnified only to hide the nefarious activities of abhinav.
    inspite so much pressure cbi could prove anything against them in the court.salman khurshid and his family is too gentle to be politician.they speak truth,what they feel is right.

    [Reply]

  • Jai Vaidya

    Pakistan has lost its’ most prized milch cow. This wii put the billions of dollars in aid at risk. The Americans certainly did not keep the Pakistani military in the loop. The Raymond Davis affair clearly shows, much to the displeasure of the ISI, that the CIA was not going through the ISI, but was conducting its’ own field methods in collecting information on Osama’s whereabouts.The Pakistani forces involved in this operation in my opinion woukd have been informed at the very last minute just before the compound was hit.
    Pakistan is now caught between a rock and a hard place, It will have to accept it’s role in Osama’s elimination for the sake of Western audiences, butr it will draw the irte of Islamist mobs at home and the “Arab Street”.
    There are huge lessons to be learned for India. RAW has to alot more of it’s operatives inside Pakistan. PAkistan has to be the easiest to infiltrate it’s operatives given the cultural similarities. One cannot just push low rank Punjabi operatives into Pakistan. THey have to br trained in the nuances of speech , food and other culture that differentiates a Pakistani Punjabi from Sikhs and Hindus. THis is ngoing to have a huge positive reaction to Obama’s re-election effort.

    [Reply]

  • http://- Rajeev

    Zia must have arranged Quran Khwani for Osama as he has been an indirect admirer of that SOB.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    i think u will pass night with bottle of whisky with paaji/

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    And you Mo-Autar must be weeping in your bed…You new age prophet was shot in head as he deserved.

    I am drunk with happiness as it is a deathblow to fanatics like you.

    You see Kafir have a pretty long D*ick but your pu$$y (pakistan) is not deep enough.

    Get lost…

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    i dont talk about kafirs i talk about today in rage of happines,

    u r right i am weeping and fkng a punjabi girl.delhi kee koi punjabi laundiya nahin hai jisne arabi lnd ka maza na chakha ho.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Are you sure you are not talking about Lahori Laundiyas who get stuffed by all non-pakistani muslims…

    RajX Reply:

    The fact of the matter is that Pakistan got caught with it’s Burkha down around her ankles doing the dirty with Osama. No matter who stuffs who, this fact is not going to change. My condolences for your sheik osama turning into fish fish. By the way, don’t believe the Americans when they they say he was given an Islamic burial. He was probably just dumped into the sea.

    [Reply]

  • tajender

    ossama bin laden , khalid mohd sheikh and all other terrorist are caught /killed because of pakistan.

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    ossama bin laden , khalid mohd sheikh and all other terrorist are caught /killed INSPITE of pakistan.

    [Reply]

    syed Reply:

    @Shan,
    From a long term perspective, every country ultimately tries to do what is best fpor it, morals etc. be dammed. Like they say, countries have no permanent friends, only permanent interests.

    Wasn’t the Caliphate which muslims are rightly so proud of created largely by conquests of different countries? Similarly America’s (and now China’s) sphere of influence can be considered to be the modern version of the caliphate. Thats how humans are.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    AMERICA IS NOT A COUNTRY IT IS A CORPORATION,RUN BY ZOINISTS.IT IS CALIPHATE OF ZOINISTS.

    tajender Reply:

    they were caught and killed because of pakistan.

    [Reply]

  • shan

    For vinod sharma. The helicopter did not take off from Bagram. It took off 30 miles away on the afghan border. So there is no question pakistan was caught napping. Also AMERICA SIMPLY DOES NOT TRUST PAKISTAN,and knew very well any prior information will led to OBL slipping away. It has happened UMPTEEN times before , just read the book OBAMA’S WAR.
    The question is what happens next.Difficult to predict. But any revenge attack by Al quaida , on US soil if can be tracked back to pakistan , THEN IT MY BE END OF PAKISTAN S WE KNOW.
    As for India , IT DOES EXPOSE INDIA BEING JUST ANOTHER THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.Hafeez Sayeed , Azhar Masood , even small fry like Dawood Ibrahim roaming freely,so much for all the imported military hardware. ISI had put up OBL in that pad. Otherwise how come VIDEOS and TAPES kept surfacing regularly at Al Jazeera TV. Then it will be interesting to see the trajectory of US-PAK relation in coming days and weeks.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    shan take my words nothing will happen.people will feel relax.he was problem for that area no following among common people.only some stupid analyst were supporting him.now it is begining of end of pakistan.balkaniztion will start.new small countries will come.
    india should be carefull and very tough.after finishing job circus will come to india.will repeat the same show.

    [Reply]

  • Ashish

    If Salman Khurshid is not good enough, I know of someone who can do a better job.
    He is Digvijay Singh.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Eye-on-UP-polls-Digvijay-slams-Osamas-sea-burial/articleshow/8147868.cms

    Let me also quote from another, very revealing article (revealing of the Muslim leaders’ mindset, that is.. I hope not a generally held Muslim view) in today’s TOI
    NEW DELHI: From incredulity to hostility towards the US — reactions of Indian Muslim organisations changed rapidly as it became clear that the news of Osama bin Laden’s death in a CIA operation in Abbottabad in Pakistan was not American propaganda.

    Muslim religious leaders, cutting across sectarian divisions, questioned the “America-propounded” description of the al-Qaida leader as a terrorist, asking what judicial procedures had been followed to pronounce him as one. There was, however, obvious unease at the fact that he had been found to be living in Pakistan and had been killed in an US operation on Pakistani soil.

    The “leaders” included Imam Bhukhari, Maulana Arshad Madani, president of one faction of the Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind and Jamaat Islam-i-Hind president Jalaluddin Umri.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    general muslim opinion is usually not in line with clergy.no arms or ammunition was found from his residence.he was hiding.generally muslims are relaxed and happy as ossama was part of problem not solution.because him zoinists were succeeding in waging wars and hurting muslims and making money through their media and arm selling bussines.this was pauperizing americans and muslims oif subcontinent.indian muslims are challenger of power,hence want peace to work.just to show isreal and america of their support ,muslims were harrased looted and boycotted by certain section of indian society.this was extremely painfull to them.
    ossama was reactionary more than terrorist.american brought him from saudia to fight in afghanistan then in balkan.after fall of soviet union,overnight he was declared terrorist.he was definitely involve in few terrorist act.but not in sept 11 which was zoinist act ,to justify attack on iraq and afghanistan.day and time was choosen to minimize jewish casaulaties.

    world is better with his death.provided america leave this area and allow us to live in peace.

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    Rajeev, did you gain ANYTHING at all by exchanging obscenities with ramavtar, tajender, moavtar

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    it is he who always start.sometime i cannot control.

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    No, I got sadistic pleasure in needling these internet Jehadi…with Osama gone, they have become orphans.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    shvlng arse mein daal ke so jao.better for u.

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    That shivling is up in the arse of OSAMA….You pakistanis are now shitbags for whole world..
    Same shivling went up the arse of Mohammad when he died…

    tajender Reply:

    Mohammad when he died

    NO IN THE ARSE OF UR MOTHER.U ARE born when streets dogs fkd ur mother.i am sure u are son of abitch.tonight put 2 shvlng in ur arse and ossama pns in the arse of ur mother sleep nicely.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Too late for abuse..US has royally f*cked you guys..even Mohammad will be trembling in his grave…”Navy Seals Aa jayenge”….I guess you guys like Camel-ling more..

    You pakistanis stand defeated and exposed in front of whole world. Have you read what Imran Khan has said about Pakistan?

  • syed

    Osama is going to heaven.

    Warm up the virgins!

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Syed,
    You made my day…nice one :)

    [Reply]

  • shan

    @Syed, only you will be able to answer and appreciate this.
    You know this MORONIC hatred towards USA (DEFINITELY PRE IRAQ INVASION) by the equally MORONIC supporters of the one , recently slipping out of pakistani PROTECTION is not founded on any rational analysis. These illiterate bunch do not know IT FOR THE USA that the scum and bum france and britain coudn’t snatch back suez canal after they had invaded and OCCUPIED the suez.USA threatened Britain with withdrawing support for pound sterling.And that was the only reason which those scums and bums withdrew their their tail . Do these morons know it is FRANCE who supplied israel with nuclear bomb technology , just to teach egypt and arabs a lesson.
    Same with vietnam , it is USA which made vietnam independent, for just after WW2, FRANCE WANTED ITS COLONY BACK.That usa screwed up with its obsesssion with mcarthy era anti communism holy war.is a different matter and US paid with 500000 yanks killed.
    Regarding support for israel. This is US , welcome to BRIBES and LOBBYING to senators. The Jewish lobby do with it surgical precision.The ARABS ONLY COME TO US TO VISIT THE BROTHELS.
    Your comment will be appreciated.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    The ARABS ONLY COME TO US TO VISIT THE BROTHELS.

    they have enslaved america and americans even europeans or indians cannot do anything.
    when it comes to middle east it is more than lobbying.OSSAMA CONDEMNED NETANYAHU TO CONTINUE SETTLEMENT,BUT HE CONTINUED.first executive order he sighned was to close guantanamo,he could not do.they pauoerized america.what could they do.kennedy tried to make his own currency ,he was shot.
    vietnam was freed because of vietnamesew.french would have run away much before.

    they go for war to make money and kill christians.

    hatred towards usa is not moronic.this because double standards.occupation of plestine destruction of iraq and afghanistan.
    they have produced boutrous ghali and ahmad baradi oomar sherief(hollywood.)in front of them bemgalees looks moron.they know everything.

    PAR SAMAY BADA BALWAN HOTA HAI,VILLIAN END MEIN MARA JATA HAI.NOWBODY KNEW SOVIET UNION WILL FELL SO SOON.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    america go everywhere to liberate the nation,they converted philipines into brothel on same argument.before liberating vietnam killed millions.slavery is better than their liberation.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    OSSAMA CONDEMNED

    pls read OBAMA CONDEMNED .SORRY

    [Reply]

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    syed bhai says- “”"Osama is going to heaven. Warm up the virgins! “”"

    yes syed bhai, 72 virgins are waiting for Sheikh Osama. 72 strapping, bearded ARAB MALES.

    No one specified that the virgins had to be females

    hehe

    [Reply]

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    NEARLY FELL OFF MY CHAIR TYPING THIS
    he he he he he

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    may be u also got one bearded virgin.

    [Reply]

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    wow, tajender, aka ramavtar, – why did my joke on Osama hurt YOU so much
    we all know you are muslim- is that why ?

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    it is not hurting me at all.i am enjoying ur joke muslims are more happy than u people.he was problem for us.

    [Reply]

  • Vijay Kumar

    Can anybody out here tell me which sea Osama has been buried?

    My doggie needs to do susu and potty there… :D

    Sagar kinaare
    Hamaara doggie susu maare

    Osama ke kafan se
    Nikal rahe angaare :D :D

    [Reply]

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Ashish, your link was great. Simply cannot believe Digvijay Singh could have said somethig like this – made me want to vomit- ‘..Osama should have had a proper burial ‘
    Minority appeasement of this type is sickening and can only take place in India. – http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Eye-on-UP-polls-Digvijay-slams-Osamas-sea-burial/articleshow/8147868.cms

    Balwinder, your joke is unrepeatable. Brilliant

    Rajeev- the hindu / Indian tradition is shastrartha. I agree with many who have said it before me – abuse, name calling and obscenities- achieves nothing, other than hide the gems by praaji and Ashish above

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    proper burial ‘
    Minority appeasement of this type is sickening and can only take place in India

    may be it is political,but what is wrong in it.it is as per our constitution.americans did it.how it is minority apeasement i dont understand.

    now with ossama instruction to his son for not joining alqaeda,it is clear that he too was against them.but it was too late.he was made joker of zoinist circus.but they are in far trouble trhan us as their banking systen is sinking.rothchild is ruling the world through this.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    Balwinder, your joke is unrepeatable. Brilliant

    this joke is not brilliant as it has religious slur.he should know that

    Nanak was deeply impressed by Islam specially Tawheed (i.e. oneness of god) and Akhuwat (brotherhood of all the believers on the basis of equality). Nanak took his concept of god from Islam

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mishra,
    What gems are you talking about? It is all BS.

    [Reply]

  • Venkat

    No not at all in my life time

    [Reply]

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    so tajender+ ramavtar- it has become CLEAR that you DID find my joke on Osama a religious slur.
    But syed bhai did not- and that is the difference between a patriotic Indian and someone like you who can barely keep his pro-OSAMA tilt hidden.
    Tajender- you disappoint me

    And as regards MISHRAJI and ashish’s comments on Osama burial- that hurt you deep
    Funny that Indian muslims like you have feelings for Osama’s dead body, but not on the terror and murders he unleashed on India and US, Europe, Indonesia etc

    He did not want his sons to join al quaeda cos he wants a good life for them, and a life of dogs for poor AF-PAK madarsa children.

    NO WONDER 1% OF INDIAN MUSLIMS LIKE U give the whole quom a bad name
    disgraceful

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    bade paajee ,but still i enjoyed ur joke some time happens like.i respect u annd mishra jee both.comment of digvijay was not apeasement to muslims.ossama has not killed any indian.his name was not in terror suspect of 26/11. ,i supporthis burial in see.as i told u earlier that most of the terror attacks are planned and executed by zoinists including sept11.ossama has instructed his son ,not to join al qaeda.americans brought him to afghanistan to fight with russians.in balkan war they were supporting muslims,they took him to bosnia.when he became popular and had strong following among local saudis ,royal family of saudia wanted him finished.and paying heavily to americans for that.
    why u people take muslim versus world.this is all money game.there was no arm or explosive found in his house.in india at the end isreal based col.purohit and gang was caught.herre also it was bussines to rob muslims.

    He did not want his sons to join al quaeda cos he wants a good life for them, and a life of dogs for poor AF-PAK madarsa children…………..

    it means he himself hated al qaeda.but he already became joker of their circus.i agree with sea burial otherwise people will make him god.which is anti-islamic.saddam grave is visitedby thousands .these madarssas are atleast providing cheap moral based education to poors.40%students in bihar madarssas are hindus.30%of their principle are hindus.why u get effected by european propaganda.they hate madarssa because ,their students can not be spiritually and menally enslaved.they also dont eat and wear their product.to enslave our soul,it is must to pass through their education system.our ancient education system(hindus and muslim)must be rediculed and condemned.if u read history even guru nanak jee studied in madarssa.madarssas have done great service to poors of india and pakistan.it is goverment duty to modernize them.WE HAVE BIGGEST NO. OF ILLTERATE IN THE WORLD.
    madarssaeducation is moral based education while english educated schools create jugadoos thieves crooks and liars.i give a piece from speech of lord macaulay in british parliament,which expose this conspiracy,

    I have travelled across length and Breadth of India and I have not seen aperson who is a beggar who is a thief. such a wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient educational system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and english is good and greater than their own way,they will lose their selfesteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them , a truly domintaed nation.

    hame naste nabood karne ke liye yeh badi purani conspiracy hai.

    ossama knew that alqaed is part of zoinist circus.he was trapped.they were using his name.

    i still say that digvijay statement was not appeasement to muslims.he is political person.muslim have left congress and join hands with regional parties.but they will not be back to them.they did lot for country ,also they also did lot bad for the country.

    just to make u happy at my request watch this on you tube.and give ur opinion,

    umar sharif comedy king part 1
    i again say ur joke had religious slur.but still joke is better than hate.i cannot blame u as atmosphere has been made like this.they want blood bath on indian soil.it is temoprarily halted
    with the arrest OF zoinist agents.PAR BAKRE KEE MAAN KAB TAK KHAIR MANAIGEE.

    paajee we are democrate in democratic society difference of opinion is possible.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    i dont know ,if u know or not ,third man in command in alqaeda is azzam al amerikee,an ex-zoinist and jew.he was known muslim hater and beater.how he reached to that level.

    [Reply]

  • http://- Rajeev

    I am happy for two reasons-
    1. The scumbag Osama is dead and being eaten by fish deep in arabian sea.
    2. Scum-Country pakistan has been exposed for good. Now no one is going to believe pakistan version of story on any issue.

    The good thing is that Indian Shia muslims have welcomed slaughter of Osama and asked world community to declare Pakistan terrorist state. Finally sane muslim voices are speaking up.

    As far as Bukhari is concerned, India should dissolve this SHAHI IMAM instution and hand over Imamiat of Jama Masjid to COMMON Imam.

    SAS Geelani has shot himself in the foot by calling Osama Shaheed and has ensured that he will never be listened by west.

    These recent developments are good for India and we should take full advantage of pak’s weak international reputation but our PM Woman Singh will still plead and beg pakistan for dialogue.

    [Reply]

  • tajender

    Bin Laden, according to a briefing on Monday, used his wife as a human shield and she was killed. By Tuesday, the White House reversed that: she had not been used as a human shield and she was not dead. The other point of discrepancy was the initial briefings that stated Bin Laden resisted and was killed in a “firefight”, which suggests he had been armed. The White House insisted he had resisted, without saying how, but said he had no gun.

    Did the Obama administration deliberately suggest he had hidden behind his wife as part of an attempt to portray him as a cowardly figure? Did it want to suggest he was armed to avoid criticism that US forces shot dead an unarmed man? Was it just part of the fog of war, with a clear account only available when those engaged in the mission are fully debriefed?

    The problem for the White House is that damage has already been done, with these discrepancies opening the way for, at the very least, future conspiracy theorists.

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    He was coward anyway because he himself lived with his family with all the luxuries but at the same time asked slave muslims like you to put their life in harm’s way to wage Jihad against non-muslims.

    He was basically a eunuch.

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    Rajeev, completely agree with you. Bukhari is an embarrassment to all of us muslims. When he had exhorted Indian muslims to go fight yanks in Afghan 10 years ago, Shabana Azmi had said the Indian govt should first parachute his sone in Af as well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    hahahahaha

    regarding tajender-ramavtar and ravi- isi- I stay away from their corrosive lives. 100% they are muslims and very anti hindu. their warped thoughts get caught out – Balwinder paaji and Syed crack brilliant jokes on Osama and its like these guys have a bamboo up their own bottoms !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    beta rizwan mera asli naam mustandan hussain trad.aqil 40 ke baad aati hai.dont take my name again.keep quite.better.

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    all enjoy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -

    Balwinder Sandhu says:

    syed bhai says- “””Osama is going to heaven. Warm up the virgins! “””

    yes syed bhai, 72 virgins are waiting for Sheikh Osama. 72 strapping, bearded ARAB MALES.

    No one specified that the virgins had to be females
    —————————-
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    next stop- D IBRAHIM

    [Reply]

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    riswan, Shabhana Azmi has more balls than Bukhari. btw, read this-
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-capable-of-surgical-strikes-like-US-Army-chief/H1-Article1-693505.aspx#disqus_thread

    When the Indian black cat commandoes go across the border to cut Dawood Ibrahim- and IT WILL HAPPEN ONE DAY- then I shall ask them to take RAVI, ISI AND TAJENDER with them. Drop them in the JHELUM in Pakistan ON the way back
    kind of ganga snaan for Pakistani traitors, what do you think riswan
    hehe

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    paajee woh to aapki hee janam bhoomi hai aap bhi chaliye to achcha hogajhelum mein flood aya ke hum phir india mein.yeh bataeyeh ki you tube dekha ya naheen.indian muslims are more interested in their resevation in educational system than in death of ossama.
    ossama was killed because of saudi pressure.che guera was killed same way.they showed his body through helicopter for weeks.but still he is hero of latin america.moghuls killed 3 of ur gurus,could not finish their message.ossama will remain hero of the victims of american agression.he is not a body.he is message for supressed masses of saudi arabia.
    so much happines who have not hurt any indian too is religious slur.their followers in saudi arabia did not attack any of 4 millions hindus working there.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    paajee agar aap hamree batoon ka jawab dete to achcha tha,discussion se kutch knowledge badti apne to desh nikala de diya.main ek choota aadmi itna bada nahin.aap theek se aankh mar deejiye mar jaonga.
    jhelum se achche jamuna hai.

    [Reply]

  • shan

    Guys if you go to the spineless wimp chikermane’s blog you will find blogger’s comment on shan , yet there is no posting from him.
    I tried to post , so that the bloggers can make some sense.
    At least zia , true to his islamic credentilas is not a wimp , he NEVER CENSURES..
    This was the original
    “I think this bolg article has been written just for the sake of it, a kind of a filler. In war there are definite rules and decorum to be followed, like if an enemy soldier is killed in action , his body is treated with due respect(though indian soldier’s were mutilated by pakistanis during Kargil war) and prisoners of war are given all therights as laid down in geneva convention. But this is not war , this is a lone terrorist. who killed INNOCENTS ONLY. I beleive chikermane has a teenage daughter , how would he have felt if a serial rapist of his mohalla was apprehended and killed , will he say prayers for his departed soul or would he rejoice . “

    [Reply]

  • shan

    This was my response to the bloggers comment about my post
    “The example was dragged in to HOME IN THE MESSAGE, that blogging is one thing , facing reality is another”

    [Reply]

  • tajender

    as laid down in geneva convention. But this is not war , this is a lone terrorist. who killed INNOCENTS ONLY

    when american soldier who killed one million iraqis can enjoy this facility why not ossama.

    [Reply]

  • shan

    This was the one is response to Bobby
    “As much I wholeheartedly endorse your views about America being a GOONDA, it would be interesting to know what you thought about JOSEF and his gulags.
    I am aware you had expressed your condescension about hollywood movies, if that does not extend to all movies , then may I politely suggest you watch a GERMAN movie called LIFE OF OTHERS
    Here is what someone from venezuela thought about it
    2 out of 70 people found the following review useful:
    The ghost of authoritarian regimes, 11 March 2007
    10/10
    Author: Hprog from Venezuela

    I’ve been taking German lessons for about 2 months now, and since movies were great in helping me learn English language I’m always looking for German films to watch (as well as German music to listen to) in order to educate my ears.

    Anyway, I went to this place where I get all sort of rare movies and this one caught my attention… and I had no idea it got the Oscar for foreign language film this year! So I watched it without prejudice and… what did I find? A MASTERPIECE! This is the kind of movie that gets your attention from the first moment, and makes you interested in understanding the characters’ psyche, which is very varied: you have the idealistic good guys, the idealistic bad guys, the people that broad their minds understanding that no political dogma is better than individual freedom, etc. And even though the movie has very tough moments it is all so well done and presented with such a good taste that in the end you feel some sort of relieved.

    In this present day, when the ghost of authoritarian regimes still fly over our heads (in my country we’re getting closer and closer to that reality), this movie will make you think about how important love, life and freedom are

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    A REPORT FROM INDIA MORENA, India – The room is large and airy, the stone floors clean and cool — a welcome respite from the afternoon sun. Until your eyes take in the horror that it holds. Ten severely malnourished children — nine of them girls.

    The starving girls in this hospital ward include a 21-month-old with arms and legs the size of twigs and an emaciated 1-year-old with huge, vacant eyes. Without urgent medical care, most will not live to see their next birthday.

    They point to a painful reality revealed in India’s most recent census: Despite a booming economy and big cities full of luxury cars and glittering malls, the country is failing its girls.

    Early results show India has 914 girls under age 6 for every 1,000 boys. A decade ago, many were horrified when the ratio was 927 to 1,000.

    The discrimination happens through abortions of female fetuses and sheer neglect of young girls, despite years of high-profile campaigns to address the issue. So serious is the problem that it’s illegal for medical personnel to reveal the gender of an unborn fetus, although evidence suggests the ban is widely circumvented.

    “My mother-in-law says a boy is necessary,” says Sanju, holding her severely malnourished 9-month-old daughter in her lap in the hospital. The woman, who goes by one name, doesn’t admit to deliberately starving the girl but only shrugs her own thin shoulders when asked why her daughter is so sick.

    She will try again for a son in a year or two, she says.

    Part of the reason Indians favor sons is the enormous expense in marrying off girls. Families often go into debt arranging marriages and paying elaborate dowries. A boy, on the other hand, will one day bring home a bride and dowry. Hindu custom also dictates that only sons can light their parents’ funeral pyres.

    But it’s not simply that girls are more expensive for impoverished families. The census data shows that the worst offenders are the relatively wealthy northern states of Punjab and Haryana.

    In Morena, a sun-baked, largely rural district in the heart of India, the numbers are especially grim. This census showed that only 825 girls for every 1,000 boys in the district made it to their sixth birthdays, down from an already troubling 829 a decade ago.

    Though abortion is allowed in India, the country banned revealing the gender of unborn fetuses in 1994 in an attempt to halt sex-selective abortions. Every few years, federal and state governments announce new incentives — from free meals to free education — to encourage people to take care of their girls.

    In Morena, a Madhya Pradesh state government program offers poor families with one or two daughters a few thousand rupees (a few hundred dollars) for every few years of schooling, and more than 100,000 rupees ($2,250) when they graduate high school.

    But while a handful of Indian women have attained some of the highest positions in politics and business — from late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi to Pepsi CEO Indra Nooyi — a deep-rooted cultural preference for sons remains.

    Even the government has accepted that it has failed to save millions of little girls.

    “Whatever measures that have been put in over the last 40 years have not had any impact,” India’s Home Secretary G.K. Pillai said last month when announcing the census numbers.

    In Morena’s homes, villages, schools and hospitals lie some of the answers to why the country keeps losing girls.

    In the district hospital’s maternity ward, a wrinkled old woman walks out holding a just-born girl wrapped in a dirty rag like an unwelcome present. Munni, who uses only one name, is clearly unhappy. Her daughter-in-law has just given birth to her sixth girl in 12 years of marriage.

    Will the daughter-in-law go through another pregnancy?

    “Everyone wants boys. A boy takes care of you in your old age,” Munni says.

    As a mother-in-law, Munni will likely have enormous control over her son’s wife, influencing how many children she has and nudging or bullying her to bear a son.

    According to the current CIA “World Factbook,” the United States has a birth ratio of 955 girls per 1,000 boys. In China, where families with a strong preference for boys sometimes resort to aborting their baby girls, there was a birth ratio of 885 girls per 1,000 boys.

    District hospital head R.C. Bandil said his facility strictly obeys the law against using sonograms to reveal the gender of a fetus, adding that the sex ratio at birth there is as high as 940-945 girls per 1,000 boys.

    Bandil said that for ages 6 and under, however, the ratio fell to 825 girls per 1,000 boys.

    Part of the reason lies in the hospital’s malnutrition ward.

    “Women cry when they have girls,” nurse Lalitha Gujar says as she spoons powdered coconut, peanuts and sesame seeds into bowls of fortified milk to nourish the tiny children.

    All nine mothers of the sickly infant girls say they want sons — to look after them when they get old, because their sisters-in-law have more sons, because their mothers-in-law demand male children.

    “If a woman has a boy, for a month she will be looked after. If she has a girl, she’ll be back in the fields in three days,” says Sudha Misra, a local social worker.

    An exhausted mother who faces neglect, poor nutrition and blame for producing a daughter is likely to pass on that neglect, social workers say. For an infant, that can mean the difference between life and death.

    “A malnourished child will get sick and the chances of death are very high,” Bandil says.

    Males get first priority. “First the husband is seated and fed, then the brothers and then whatever is left is fed to the girls,” says Bandil. “If there are two mangoes in the house, first the boy will get to eat.”

    For the very poor, the pressures to bear sons result in mistreatment of both the baby girl and mother. And rich women are not immune to this mistreatment if they fail to bear male children.

    For those with money, it’s often about being able to locate a radiologist who, for a cost, will break the law and reveal the sex of the fetus, or being able to fly abroad for such tests.

    A 2007 study by the rights group ActionAid India found that gender ratios were worse in urban areas, and that sex-selective abortions were more common among wealthier and higher-caste people who could afford ways to learn the gender of fetuses.

    The law is not enough to combat “a society that values boys over girls,” says Ravinder Kaur, a professor of sociology at New Delhi’s Indian Institute of Technology.

    “Laws are good because they may act as a deterrent” she says, but sex-selective abortions continue underground because “people find more devious ways.”

    [Reply]

  • Gaurav

    Why is it that everyone seems ok to refer to a more thna 250 million strong community as a minority? India seems to have changed even the Oxford English Dictionary forever.
    The problem with this 250 million strong “minority” is that it still considers itself to be a minority.
    Then again, why is it necessary that a minority affairs minister must be from the minority community? That is such a conceited mindset. Its like saying that a gynaecologist must always be a woman. How can the so called minorities expect good treatment if they continue to follow the ‘we are minority and we are different’ attitude in life?
    Muslims in UP are similar the Hindus and Christians in UP while being quite unlike the Muslims in West Bengal or Kerala. Each state has a different minority either in terms of the language or the caste or the culture or the religion. Muslims however seem to identify themselves as a minority everywhere. Till this attitude changes, starting with the writer of this blog, it would be difficult to bring out genuine changes in this 250 million strong minority.

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Gaurav

    Some of the points you make are interesting and I would like to offer a counter view.

    1. Why 250 million Muslims in India are considered a minority.

    This some what depends upon your definition of a minority. If a minority is defined on the basis of NUMBERS then in a population of 1.2 Billion, 250 of anything would be classed as a minority.

    If you believe that a MINORITY is classed based on Economis/Social/Political clout a community can exercise then the Jewish community in the USA can be classed as a minority on the basis of numbers but perhaps not on the basis of their disproportionately large influence in Economic/Social/Political affairs of the US.

    Sadly, the Indian Muslim community on both counts can be classed as a Minority and therefore considers itself as a Minority.

    2. Why should a Minorities Minister be from a Minority Community.

    Whilst it is not necessary for a Gynaecologist to be woman, it does help if she is. In most countries of the world, a woman still feels comfortable in talking about female issues with another woman.

    Of course it is very possible for a Minorities minister from a majority community to be a very effective minister, however in such matters perception is a disproportionately large component of the ministry’s role.

    Ministers are a political appointments and the politicians want to create an impression that minorities are not discriminated against in political matters. What better way exists than to offer the role to a capable individual from a minority community? I believe that in the case in point that objective has been met.

    3. Various identities.

    It is true that a UP Muslim shares a regional identity with other people from the UP, and not with Muslims from other regions of India. Likewise a Muslim from UP shares his religious identity with other Muslims from different regions of India rather than Hindus/Christians from the UP.

    4. Muslims are a Minority everywhere in India.

    That is true, for reasons see 1 above.

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    Minority and majority is a mindset , ONLY IF YOU ARE IN A SECULAR COUNTRY, if you ghettoise your existence , and insulate your mind , then a hindu individual can be a minority in India. Difficult to understand for some one who is in a mourning phase , and who by admitting the falsehood of minority ,will undermine the dogma behind the creation of his birthplace PAKISTAN.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    the original supporters of Hitler were the Brahmins. They brought a pretty, young French woman to India (1932), made her “fall in love” with Brahminism, brainwashed her on the Brahminical love for Hitler, and made her write a book praising Hitler. It is this book that helped the Brahminists to become close to German Nazis, Hitler and then turn them against the British whom they hated. The Brahminists called themselves “Hindu nationalists” and pure Aryans — though they were not — but Kazhars and Eurasians like the Jews. Savitri Devi was paraded in India as a great Hindu scholar. She described Hitler as the “both sun and lightning”. She compared Hitler to Brahminic gods like Kalki, Brahma-Vishnu-Maheshwar. Brahminists influenced the entire lot of thought leaders of Germany by using her charisma. They hailed Hitler’s plan to make Germany a “pure-blooded German race” by eliminating the Jews. Savitri Devi profusely quotes from the Brahminical Vedas, Bhagavad Gita and called the Jews “the world’s only real enemy”. The Jews then hated Brahminists for pretending to be Aryans. Even as the Brahmin M.N. Roy went to Soviet Russia under the Jewish dictatorship and got himself trained in communism, Brahminists were busy in Germany advising Hitler on how to eliminate Jews. Savitri Devi bitterly criticised Jewish-made marxism even as Brahmin M.N. Roy was selling the Jewish philosophy of Marxism in India. Such contradictions are possible only under the wonder that is Brahminism

    tajender Reply:

    mindset of the people of the country which has 10 crores temples cannot be secular.we are secular on papers while rascialist and apartheid and cheaters in action.

    tajender Reply:

    mindset of the people of country which has 10 crores temples cannot be secular.we are secular on papers.while in action we are apartheid,jealous thieve and communal.

  • Shoeb K

    I have been in the US since last Thursday; it is unbelievable how the citizens are reacting to Bin Laden’s killing. It has brought the country together. There was a “jasmine” gathering of youngsters in front of the white house and at WTC ground zero.

    Cowards like Bin Laden created the anti-Muslim feeling in countries like USA. Now that he is gone, memories may fade, terrorism may subside, and we can all live together as a big family.

    [Reply]

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Gaurav, in a sense I agree with the gist of your post.

    But do you not think that the muslims, who have a problem with image, with education, with a higher propensity to crime- and who share a religion with our neighbour-an unstable, dangerous terrorist sympathetic state called Pakistan- do you not think that this minority is indeed unique enough to merit special attention?
    And do you not think that by having an affluent urban educated modern muslim like Khurshid as its moinority minister is a good idea to engage them , rather tha Imam 1500 AD Bukhari?

    Special problems call for special solutions

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    shoeb, very well said above. But the jubilant mood of the country has been spoilt by the comments of Digvijay Singh, Geelani, Bukhari and our very own ramavtar aka tajender aka mustand hussain, with their needless nitpicking over terrorist Osama’s funeral.

    Indirectly, Al quade WAS involved with Lashkar et al who have bombed India repeatedly. Once again some Indian muslims have missed the opportunity to improve their community’s image with these traitorous sound bites . SAD

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mishra,
    The reality of Indian muslims can be seen in Bukharis and Madnis. The only difference is Bhukharis and Madnis have audacity to praise Osama in public whereas common muslims praises him in private.

    As far as Digvijay is concerned, it is becoming obvious that he makes all these kinds of statements for vote bank politics only. He should remember that Bihari muslims ignored his and clown prince’s antics..Same will be repeated in UP elections.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    doctor saheb,

    i know salman khursheed family very closely.they are good cultured honest but not good for this post.if we want to live in india,we have to engage each other.but u have to accept as we are.a strong brhmn with link at top and will to improve the situation of downtrodden will be better than
    weak muslim who cannot assert himself.they are soft people.but i thank u for thinking good for this neglected community.leaders of muslims should come from grass root level.not from ex-talukdars zamindaars or nawabs.
    i agree with u here.

    but statement of digvijay can be better called muslim cheating not muslim apeasement.but what he said,americans did.obama knows arabs can live without america,american cannot live without arabs because of their wealth and strategic position.insulting his body will bring retaliation and americans will loose life.

    sept 11 was a zoinist act.not ossama.18 people as per their story crossed security and immigration without being noticed.was anybody punished for deriliction of duty.i am in middle east from 40 years. is ee them playing games like this they play every day.
    from last 10 years isreal based purohit and his gang was planting bombs.attack on parliament and akhshay dham was also ixed match.since advani has gone and purohit arrested ,nothing is happening.all this has given lot of pain and humiliations to muslims.
    so help muslim for betterment of india.this should not be considered favor or appeasement.but duty for strenghthening india.even digging well in muslim area is considered apeasement.we should be indian first indian second indian third.

    my new name will be vinayak purohit.mustandan hussain tarad is not apealing to me.i am sure u too will laugh.

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Post a link to prove that 9/11 was done by jews. You are constantly ducking this.

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    @Rajeev,
    plenty of links which argue passionately with “proofs” that it was the handiwork of Jews- conspiracy theorists are aplenty. There are also plenty of links which debunk all the conspiracy theories.
    Utter waste of time.

    tajender Reply:

    ashish u cannot convice somebody agaist his wishes.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Tajender, for the record, I am utterly unconvinced by all the conspiracy theories. I personally find “the Zionists did 26/11″ as ludicrous as the “Armstrong and Aldrin faked their moon-landing” theory.
    You are of course right; I can’t hope to convince you; you notice, I seldom try.

  • RajX

    I am waiting for Zia’s next column about bin ladens execution. Will he co plain that bin laden was not given a proper Islamic burial or would he complain that the US has destroyed the Islamic republic of pakistans sovereignty? Or maybe he will surprise us and write how nasty bin laden is and how the US had the balls to take the fight inside nuclear armed Pakistan unlike us.

    [Reply]

  • Ashish

    @Shan,
    let me state at the outset that I am aghast at the personal nature of the comment you posted on Gautam’s blog.
    The least offensive way that sentence could have been worded was: “I wonder if you would be able to be so rational/ compassionate etc etc.. if someone close to you was murdered/ raped etc and would you still want to offer prayers for his soul”
    The moment you first say, “I believe Gautam has a teenage daughter..” you personalize and do so, needlessly. It adds no weight to your argument and shows your utter lack of taste. It must be possible to disagree with a man’s ideas without being disagreeable and indeed, being personally insulting.
    I think Gautam did a favour to you by removing your post – so that it does not serve as a constant reminder of the depths to which you can sink.
    And, I have a contrarian view on Zia’s spine as well. I think instead of chasing eyeballs by allowing you to repost your asinine remarks here, he should have blacklisted – if not you, but at least this and similar such posts from you.

    [Reply]

    Rizwan Reply:

    Ashish, you spoke for all of us. SHAN is shan, many a times before he has been condemned and attacked by mst here for his personal abuse, name callinng etc.
    He is much better now, but still slips in disgusting stuff abt Gautam’s daughter etc like a cheap shock jock. WHAT SURPRISES ME IS HE CLAIMS TO BE A DOCTOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    @Rizwan, Now look you milk teeth kid , remember this blog is for men not kids like you.

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    I do not need a lecture from a cow belt university graduate “salesman”. I had previously given you a glimpse of my titles acquired here in UK. They were so many , must have taken you some time.
    As to why i used the example that i used , this is beyond you.it is in the realm of Biological sciences
    In Psychiatry , if you want to get rid somebody of a phobia , you do not tell him to avoid , you FLOOD him with the images .This is known in psychiatric parlance , FLOODING. This is the best way to RAM IN A MESSAGE , that there is nothing to fear from the offending object.Similarly there is a thing called PsychoDrama.Here the sufferer is asked to take part in a drama which reenacts the part of his life that he does not come to term with , in the process suffers in his subconscience.
    This buffoon Chikermane is so outrageous , he derides americans for expressing their releif and jubiliation at the death of a person who not only killed 3000 fellow americans DEEP INSIDE AMERICA(It has only happened thrice in the history of america), but made their life a living hell so far air travel is concerned . When and if you have the chance to visit US you will know air travel in US is like rail travel in India , because of vastness of the country.
    There was a news in Channel 4 last night.It was about teenage or juvenile murderers in USA .they are treated like adults They have full life sentence meaning they die in jail, unlike in uk , released after 14 yrs.Now there were lot of people saying in favour of giving these kids a second chance. But when it came to the victims mother , SHE BROKE DOWN , she said dying in jail is their second chance.
    As much you are perturbed at the example where chikermane s forced to confront reality , YOU HAVE NEVER USED A SINGLE WORD AGAINST YOUR chutney ferret ISI Agent , who spews out nothing but vile obscenities.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    ous , he derides americans for expressing their releif and jubiliation at the death of a person

    there was no big jubiliation on death of ossama.this was kamal of their tv.when saddam statue in baghdad was demolished there only 50 jounralists.cnn was showing them as crowd.
    may be few people.americans are most innocent people.cnn representative ask the geogoriphal position of iraq.most of them put finger at australia.

    only few indian high caste idoits like u were celeberating out of propotion.becayse u have no mind india will go in slavery soon becuase of ur incompetence lust for worldly things.
    last week ramdeo purchased 30lac worth of items from a mall in dubai.i am cheking whether he paid custom with full honesty or not.

    [Reply]

  • Ashish

    @Shan,
    do you still wonder why when you visit Calcutta, your hometown, your old acquaintances avoid you like the plague?
    The more you froth in your mouth, the more it convinces me that you are cloaking bad breeding and a lack of education in mumbo jumbo, which is tangential at best to the thurst of the blog. I wasn’t aware that you can use psychodrama to cure someone, in a blog; it is not even established that he needs a cure in the first place far less your qualifications for administering such a cure.
    But, you need psychiatric help.

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, you are beyond any help , your inferiority complex driven green eye monster syndrome , needs institutional care.

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Shall I add “chuttney ferret” to my name.

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    @iASK (CF),
    you can, provided you explain what a chutney ferret is :)

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    @iASK,
    don’t bother; I just googled. By all means; go ahead. You ARE supposed to be my “homoerotic” soul-mate, aren’t you?

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    SHAN- on this one occasion I will support one of your statements. But first let me get an unpleasant task out of the way- I join everyone in condemning your tasteless mention of Chikermane’s daughter.

    Now, to support you in one minor point. You said to riswan – “”"YOU HAVE NEVER USED A SINGLE WORD AGAINST YOUR chutney ferret ISI Agent , who spews out nothing but vile obscenities.”"”

    I will agree with that. Riswan is a lovely boy, a patriotic Indian muslim, whpo does not tolerate sh i t from anyone. But yes, although he has threatened to spew fire on ISI- +RAVI, he has never done so. I agree with you, RAVI+ISI can sometimes debate politely, but there are many times when he does get abusive and disgusting. I had cracked a minor joke on him about packing him off to Pak to take riswan;’s rishta, and then closing the border- and he reacted with gutter level abuse.

    SO riswan puttar, explain your silence on your co-religionist !!?? After all, you had always said you would speak like a Rao, Gupta or Singh- lets hear you

    [Reply]

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    incidentally, most ppl here found my jokes amusing- not one said I ever maliciously attacked anyone

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    Dear Balwinder, the accusation of not spewing venom on iASK was directed at me and not at Rizwan. So, I better explain.
    I find it (inexplicable that it may seem to most) intellectually stimulating to cross swords with Ravi/ iASK. I have found it possible to disagree and, even if I say so myself, score a few points, without having to use any personally abusive term. Plus, I am a sucker for well-written prose; and he does write well.
    It is not my style to abuse anyone, period. Least of all in print. I simply was not brought up that way. If someone abuses me, I simply ignore the abuse and if necessary ignore the person.
    I remember your exchange with iASK and I must say I was puzzled Ravi reacted so violently. Perhaps months of being called a Pakistani finally brought him to such a pass and you just happened to cross his path then.

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Ashis

    There is no denying that there have been times when I have been abusive. I hope creatively.

    This was ALLWAYS done in retaliation to other people abusing me. Each time I have abused someone, I have offered them to stop their abusing and in return promised that I will do the same. Those that have accepted the offer have been beneficiary of the promise I made.

    Here are some examples.

    1. I have hardly ever abused Binoy Hegade and S Singh, even though I very rarely agree with them.

    2. I largely ignore Raju Kurien, because I just don’t quite get what he is trying to say. We have even ranted at each other in verse.

    3. I have never abused Vinay/Ashish/casual writers, because they do not abuse me.

    4. I have once abused Rizwan for his unnecessary taunt at me “too anti Hindu”.

    5. I have several times abused Balwinder because he calls me Pakistani, etc etc. He is not funny. I now just ignore him. He can drown me in any river he likes, including the Grand Union Canal that passes through Southall and Hayes.

    6. In our early exchanges I did abuse Dr Mishra, but as I got to know him better, I resisted. So has he.

    BTW, my chutney ferret, you write tons better than I do. Must be all that Hilsa you eat.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Ashish

    All this talk about drowning me in Jehlum/Grand Union Canal, has reminded me of chacha Ghalib’s sher. I’ll share it with you, its poignancy is topical.

    Huey mur kay hum jo rusva, huey kyun na gharq-e-darya,
    na kabhi janazaa uthta, na kahin mazaar hota.

    Ashish Reply:

    @iASK,
    my Hindi is passable; with a vocabulary of about 600 words; Urdu, especially Ghalib, is quite beyond me. Translation, please.
    Someone famous once said, “a man who does not like flowers and appreciate poetry can kill people”- I guess, I am a serial killer.
    I think you and Balwinder should go pubbing together.. you know, nothing like some beer to take the edge off anger ..

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Ashish

    Translating poetry is beyond me and dare I say many many others, however I can have a stab at explaining the meaning of the couplet.

    Ghalib is saying, that he can imagine being sad after dying, then he wonders why is it that he was not destroyed in a darya (river/sea).

    That way there would have been no funeral, and therefore no mausoleum.

    As regards Balwinder, he is still presenting a hostile posture and I am extremely choosy about what company I keep.

  • shan

    @Ashish, If I stayed back in calcutta , all my friends would be surrounding me all the time. It’s just I was the only one out of the 150 in your class who had managed it to uk. I hope you got the message.
    As for people appreciating me .here is a fair sex
    Joshi Reply:
    July 11th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    @Atif and Unwize…you both seem to be senseless and dumb…and both of you put together have negative IQ. That is why you follow Islam! :)

    Shan – Its been a pleasure having known you virtually. I enjoy reading your posts…Wishing you the very best! Smita Joshi
    Knowing your insomnia , I willnot refer to your ancestry in detail, of which you gave us an inkling. Like the fact that they used to visit villages collecting money for “seed distribution” among pubescent girls and they may have numbered 100plus in total.

    [Reply]

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    MORE FUN ON THE DOG OSAMA-
    VAARY FUNNY-
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Fun-theory-How-Osama-was-traced-through-Facebook/articleshow/8179018.cms

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    —-Quote
    shan Reply:
    April 13th, 2011 at 2:40 am

    @Ashish, many thanks for coming back. This is Adda , at least i treat it as such , my intellect has not detoriated to that extent that I need to be enlightened by Zia. I have learned more from the bloggers. As it is adda .let me open my heart to you. …
    it is due to firing of nerve cells , presumably that is why some people who have a lot of these nerves are easily emotional (like me) and those who have very few have little empthy (like Kuttar and Ram autar)’
    I may have to visit cal shortly , but incredible thing is I AM A FOREIGNER , this is a fact , my school friends and my mohalla friends avoid me , and my medical school friends try to run away.
    I dont know why , I carry myself very humbly and I am very very indian/bengalee.
    Well enough for today , please fill me with your experience in delhi.

    —-Unquote—
    Shan,
    can you just let us know on which occasion you were drunk/ speaking the truth? Yesterday or on April, 13th 2011?

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    I was speaking the truth because I am, as syed has characterised me as “brutally honest”. Combination of insomnia and cheap beer had fogged your ability to see through the statememts I made .Given your “petty and small ” world ,it was too much to ask for.
    But i have given the answers myself and it accords with the link you posted about a similar experience of an IIT graduate returning to his alma mater.
    To spare you the trouble of scrolling upwards , this is what I said
    @Ashish, If I stayed back in calcutta , all my friends would be surrounding me all the time. It’s just I was the only one out of the 150 in our class who had managed it to uk. I hope you got the message.
    I am aware insomnia combined with cheap beer , can seriously compromose the ability to comprehend simple english as above.

    [Reply]

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Balwinder-

    Dont listen to/worry about the Pakistanis (Ravi-hahah) on this site

    Pakistan now has been exposed to the whole world..They cannot go on doing the double deals. A shammeless country…..

    Btw — nobody in Saudi Arabia had a “prayer” ceremony for UBL… Guess where they had…in the frucking Kashmir… Guess who had tears about his (Unislamic) burial… Many Muslim leaders and secular leaders of India…Figure it out

    tajender Reply:

    he was declared yerrorist to save saudi royal family.closest ally of america.yes pakistan is exposed to world.

    .
    After the so-called “Holocaust lie” which the zionists manufactured to create Israel, the second biggest lie is the 9/11/2001 — the Israeli Mossad attack on WTC twin towers to launch the worst deadly wars on Muslims. They invent dangers to dupe and deceive innocents. And provoke wars.

    Both Zionism and Brahminism thrive and survive only on wars, blood, hatred and lies. The zionists invented “terror”, meaning Muslims. And the copycat Brahminists followed it.

    The Lie is mightier and deadlier than the Hydrogen Bomb. The Bomb merely devastates. The Lie steals our souls, says Henry Makow.

    : If “terrorism” did not exist the racist Israel could not have been created. i\. These two evil forces are killing the world are playing upon “terrorism” to destroy the society’s immune system.

    tajender Reply:

    what i wrote about devdaasi was right.but **** rulers are extremely corrupt this too is right.high caste hindu convert chuch has joined hands with rss to convert kerala into lanka on the instruction of american church is also correct.afghan war will extend to pakistan is correct.
    civil war soon in pakistan is correct.pakistani rulers are most corrupt rulers in the world is too corrupt.
    high caste vedic and high caste convert christian have joined hands to enslave india.blood is thicker than water is also correct.son of soil will resist occupation is also correct.

    raju kurien there are many rights in this world.

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    @ Ashish- I will play fair here. As far as sense of humour goes, SHAN can take a joke on himself. But ISI/ RAVI ’s response to this brilliant if harmless joke was, as you say Ashish, psychopathic.

    Ladies and gentlemen- here goes again- THE JOKE-
    “”"When Rizwan said that his Lahori spice romance had fizzled out, I said-
    Shame, I was so hoping that we would send Ravi ISI to Lahore to take riswan’s ‘rishta’. And after that I would put him in an AC deluxe taxi and give him a trip to Pakistan’s scenic spots which have such a terrific international reputation- Fata, Swat and of course Waziristan

    [Reply]

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    I then added

    -I would bear the entire cost of the taxi ride. And since Ravi is always praising the pakistanis, we would arrange for him to have high tea with the Mehsud family. hehe

    Also, Rajeev, S Singh and approached Manmohan Singh and said that once the taxi went across the border, then they would work day and night and build an electrified fence between India and Pakistan and would close Wagah for 5 years. hehe

    Singh did make a special request – couldnt Shan babu be put on the same taxi ??

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    visa system between pakistan and india should be finished like european union.people of pakistan and india should be allowed to mix freeely.so that they can see themselve that hate mongering by fanatics of both side is based on lies.racially we are same.
    while corresponding with pakistani my pen name is MUSTANDAN HUSSAIN TARAD.he was punjabi and big joker.he make laugh and laugh.i cannot forget him.mixing will improve trade and generate employment.

    [Reply]

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    there you have it simple joke, vary vary funnnny
    Shan to his credit took the joke well and responded with one of his own

    If Syed, Gopi Thomas, Mishraji, Raju kURIEN, Benoy Hegde, Mohan or Ashish say the joke is cruel, I will admit defeat.
    Otherwise we will diagnose ravi-ISI as a case of lack-of-homouritis and he will be sent to Dr Shan for brain surgery. I will foot the bill hehe

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    balwinder bhai i confirm joke was not cruel i enjoyed this.but this type of material is being popularized by zoinist to mak blood bath here and there.u are very intelligent balance person so i told u.i regret.jis group mein sardar nahin hai us group mein jaan nahin hai.
    i attack brhmnst not brhmns30%of my friends are brhmns and 50%of my relatives are brhmns.brhmnsm is cruel and bad thought even brhmns are the victim of brhmnsm.i hope u will not mind sikhs have big heart.
    i was relieved at his death but not very happy as it will bring more bloodshed.entire tsupply to american troops for afghan war pass through pakistan.innocents of that area will suffer for nothing.america is under debt 17times their gdp.one american economist(also sardar)described their financial condition in urdu,

    udhar le le ke itni maaree hai,

    qarz mein hai ab to bal bal l…de ka.

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Qarz ki pitay thay mai, aur kehte thay
    rang laye gi apni phaka masti eik din

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    MADE MY DAY, ashish babu moshai, LACK-OF-HUMOURITIS
    hehe, what a diagnosis

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Re-posting my repost to the PJ from Balwinder.

    This was by way of thanking Balvinder Sandhu for bearing my Taxi fare to across the Wagha Wagha land.

    ________________________________________________________

    It is surprising how easily a – nodding dog – can be pleased.

    Some of us have to stand in front of a house in Hayes and observe the goings on in side.

    Where one can see a Sardar – of the mein koi jhooth bloya, koi na bhai koi na variety. A challa sikh if there ever was one.

    Him with a large BAY WINDOW, situated where normal people have tummies, no doubt Dimple Double Glazing fit it there.

    The Sardar is seen yanking out from under his wife’s petticoat, his deranged adolescent son, who has taken to suckle the sow at the wrong end.

    Now lets’ see Sardar ji falling of his chair.

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    From chutney ferret to his puff mate ,( the sucker for good prose ), an outstandingly beautiful prose addressed to balwinder sandhu.

    [Reply]

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Sandhu praaji
    I hope you will not mind if I disagree with you slightly. And with Ashish, Rizwan et al- I think you have all been too harsh on Shan. The gist of his argument was correct, the only mistake was mentioning Gautam’ daughter to highlight his argument.
    By now we all know Shan and how he writes. He did not indulge in abuse or personal attacks. Somehow, even I feel his frustration that the do gooders, pseudo secularists and some muslims on this blog , who feel miffed that USA got Osama, and are now focussing on the detail of his death, and not his evil life.
    Arguments like- remember Vietnam etc are being bounced about. Everyone forgets that the ISI / Pak govt / Dawood / Jaish e muhd / Lashkar / Al Quaeda / Taleban / SIMI / ETC are one loose organisation, with a lot of cooperation and encouragement. Osama was no friend of India, and made enough terror threats regarding Kashmir.
    So to find that Digvijay and his soul mates are – playing to the vote bank / playing to their visceral anti USA hatred etc- rankles. It is almost anti national.
    THE DEATH OF OSAMA MAY BE THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO INDIA. Pray now for a similar fate for Masood, Kashmir Ilyaasi, Haffeez etc- and just like they did not care about the victims of Diwali bombings or Mumbai attacks, pl do not spare a thought of how they are dispatched- whether by India, Seals or Mosad.

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    praaji, hope you did not mind my disagreeing – let me say your jokes are whacky, not cruel, and the latest on Osama going upto meet 72 male bearded virgin males – was top class

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    STYLE (UN) MAKETH THE MAN

    Dr Mishra, while we are in the realm of dis-agreements, allow me to state here that I vehemently dis-agree with you.

    Ashish has not commented on the content, but on style. Uniquely here he has made the effort to provide an example, of an elegant way of making a point, whilst criticising the original style. Not many people here do that.

    ELEGANT WAY: “I wonder if you would be able to be so rational/ compassionate etc etc.. if someone close to you was murdered/ raped etc and would you still want to offer prayers for his soul”

    INELEGANT WAY: “I believe Gautam has a teenage daughter..” you personalize and do so, needlessly.

    Ashish is not alone:

    Avinash said: “quoting example of blogger’s own daughter is hurting. It looks personal attack, there are many other ways and many other fit examples to express the feelings which I would have highly appreciated.”

    xyz said: “I have been your frequent reader …infact appreciated your thought as well, but this time It’s really disappointed me a bit,”

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    For style , swim with the tide , for PRINICIPLES stand like a rock
    —– THOMAS JEFFERSON

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan
    oh well..
    So, on 13th April, you were pouring your heart out and saying
    “my school friends and my mohalla friends avoid me , and my medical school friends try to run away.
    I dont know why , I carry myself very humbly and I am very very indian/bengalee.”
    And, yesterday, you claimed your fiends would be surrounding you all the time..

    I suspect your erstwhile friends know you for what you are- an insufferable boor.

    As for the experience of the IIT graduate, couple of small corrections-
    - the said graduate is me; it is my blog.
    - I am however NOT an IIT graduate; I passed out of IT-BHU.
    That said, the link was posted to make you understand that people change, memories remain. In your case, perhaps your friends’ memories of you are not happy to start with.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, there was no doubt ever about your capacity to be disingeniuos , well the csate is there to back you.Why did you stop quoting my lines , let me complete it for you
    “It’s just I was the only one out of the 150 in our class who had managed it to uk. I hope you got the message”
    Read this with the HIDDEN suspicion lingering in my previous post
    I dont know why , I carry myself very HUMBLY and I am very very indian/bengalee.
    Anyway i am off to M&S for shopping before THE MATCH kicks off (no , i am not talking about IPL, which i wish to leave it to you to enjoy with your beer)

    Ashish Reply:

    @Humble Shan,
    You probably wear a T-shirt with “1 of 150″ when you visit Calcutta. No wonder your erstwhile friends and acquaintances stay away.

    shan Reply:

    I am past the age for wearing T shirts , I usually wear kurta pyjama while in India , and also wear the same in UK , but indoors for obvious reasons.

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Actually we have not disagreed Ravi.
    The main issue is however- OSAMA’S death. Wat is your opinion of-
    -Not capturing him alive- ‘he did not resist etc’
    - Burial at sea
    - Violating Pakistan’s sovereignity
    - not informing Zardari

    Are you happy he is dead?
    If India had the resources, would you support a SEAL type Indian attack to take out Dawood and Kashmir Ilyaasi etc

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    Since you ask.

    I am very happy he is dead.

    The US in every respect acted the way it should have; that includes the manner of his killing, the burial at see and keeping it a secret from Pakistan.

    To me the more interesting facts are:

    1. They lived there for six years.

    2. Co-incidentally Osama and Aiman Al Zawahri had fallen out – over distribution of money – six years ago.

    3. Every body is hoping that the post Osama era will herald a more peaceful world.

    4. Yes if India has the ability, resources and the political will then it should also act accordingly. However, we have to be cautious here for obvious reasons. Sorry I do not know who Kashmir Ilyassi is.

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    I hope you are not hanging on to the false belief that I am a Pakistani.

    Sorry to disappoint you, if you were hoping that my views would provide you with an insight into the mind of a Pkistani.

    I am afraid, for the insight you seek, you may have to visit one of the many Pakistani blogs that you frequent.

    :( , :( , :(

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall, when some one first relayed the news to Ashfaq Kayani.

    The expression on his face would have been a sight to remember.

    [Reply]

  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    Dr Mishra

    Kayani’s Dilemma

    Faced with a choice between admitting collusion or incompetence, which one did Kayani opt for.

    What is your opinion and why??

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    surprised you had not heard of Ilyas Kashmiri…. a commander of the Harkat-ul-Jehad al-Islami, He also served in the elite Special Service Group, a commando unit of the Pakistan Army…On February 26, 2000, Kashmiri was able to kidnap an injured Indian officer whose throat he later slit, the report said. Kashmiri came back to Pakistan with the head of the Indian officer and presented it to Musharraf, who gave him a cash award of Rs 1 lakh,” …..

    Pictures of Kashmiri with the head of the dead Indian officer in his hands were published in some Pakistani newspapers……
    ……………….
    Ravi- And Indians, with the world’s most Islamist country next door actually fete Musharraf paying him millions to talk at conclaves.
    …………
    so you see ravi / isi- I feel Shan’s frustration at pseudo secularists like Gautam and some bloggers here who weep at Osama not getting a proper islamic funeral. the ‘daughter’ mention is avoidable

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Of course Kayani and Pasha knew that the yanks were flying in to take out Osama. No way would Obama have risked 4 helicopter loads of elite commandoes being fried by F-16s on their way out.
    Cant have hollywood making another sequel called- FOUR BLACK HAWKS DOWN

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/musharraf-rewarded-militant-who-killed-indian/519671/

    ilyas kashmiri is India’s most wanted, behind Dawood but ahead of Azhar and Hafiz

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    Gautam’s views can hardly be described as the views of a person who is motivated by secular ideals, any more than Dr Rowan Williams’s criticism of the US can be styled as that of a secular man. After all, he is the Arch Bishop of Canterbury.

    His opposition is based on the belief that justice was not “seen to be done”.

    So Dr Mishra, some people are critical because they believe that even though Osma was a ruthless murderer, we should have dealt with him with standards of conduct that are based upon higher ideals. This does not make them Osama lovers or sympathisers of Jihad.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    Thanks for the information.

    Sadly those of us who live in a Juhugi Jhompri by the side of “Nai Sarak, Dehar Ul Dhoom, Cawnpoore, in Karachi”, do not get such gruesome news.

    Our Pseudo secular news papers do not necessarily cover such news items.

    [Reply]

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    some excerpts of my posting on Vinod Sharma’s blog-
    Dr Mishra, UK says:
    April 27, 2011 at 2:17 am
    ……But diplomacy does not run on emotions. We have one of the world’s most unstable country on our borders, it is also nuclear. So talk to them, but like Bruce Lee bowing before an opponent, never take your eyes off the opponent. Imagine how Chanakya or Shivaji would have dealt with a difficult enemy- steely fist in a velvet glove.

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    April 27th, 2011 at 2:26 am

    Also do not make repeated demands- give us Dawood, or Hafiz Sayeed etc. ASK ONCE ONLY.
    If you have the power like USA, then you can make these demands. Otherwise keep quiet, it makes us look weak.
    Instead go after these terrorist masterminds. Pay crores to hit sqads or rival talebani ppl to go after Dawood etc. Reactivate RAW in Pakistan- Gujral idiot had withdrawn it from Pakistan.
    Never forget your naval strength and Pakistan’s weakness- Nawaz Sharif had openly said that the Indian naval blockade had almost brought Pak to its knees on account of oil.

    So next time there is a Kasab, show some muscle rather than verbal diarrrhoea- we will bomb camps, salami land grabs etc. BULL SH.. Like the iconic scene in ‘The good, the bad and the ugly’ where the man in his bathroom shoots first at his gloating would be assasin- ‘If you have to shoot, then shoot. Dont talk’

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    I think I need a drink

    [Reply]

  • http://- Rajeev

    Pl. go thru comments of Indian muslims on Osama’s death and compare those to reactions from Pakistan.

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/ws/hi/thread.jspa?forumID=13933

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    and also look at this one too…

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/ws/hi/thread.jspa?forumID=13916

    [Reply]

  • tajender

    dawood smuggled explosives because of communal riots perputuated hindu fascists after demolition of babri mosque.
    why u are not asking for leaders of that rowdy brigade to be punished as well and arrested.
    i am not supporting dawood ,i want him arrested.but root in problem is rss who initiated ram movement for vote politics.
    after demolition of mosue muslims were taunted and insulted in trains and buses.all types of lies against them were propagated in media.

    by excessive buying on arms PAKISTAN HAS MADE HIMSELF a junooni state.america ne usko uski auqat dikha dee.ossama was there with knowledge of **** generals.

    sometime IF RAT WALKS WITH ELEPHANTS HE THINKS HIMSELF ALSO AN ELEPHANT.
    our pawan helicopters are falling everyday.we are spending most of our budget on arms starving indians to death.49%of our women are enemic.poverty in india is more than poverty
    in sub sahara region.our gdp is still less than gdp of indonesia.
    think some time for india and indian as well

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    SHAN and Balwinder paaji, both of u dudes hv challenged my stance.

    SHAN sez– …..YOU HAVE NEVER USED A SINGLE WORD AGAINST YOUR chutney ferret ravi+ ISI Agent , who spews out nothing but vile obscenities…..

    and sandhu saheb accuses me more directly- ….SO riswan puttar, explain your silence on your co-religionist- ravi- isi !!?? After all, you had always said you would speak like a Rao, Gupta or Singh- lets hear you….
    ……………
    like a ‘aapki adaalat guys’, huh ? prove yr patriotism by criticising a fellow muslim ?? i am bak in the university cafe- on the defensive
    have i not sid enuff times that (tajender- ramavtar) and (ravi- isi) disgust me when they are anti hindu or anti national- which is a lot of time

    [Reply]

    Rizwan Reply:

    ok let me finish-
    right from childhood, my parents taught me to stay away from such muslims. yes, ravi+isi is eloquent as Ashish says, but that is nullified by a very nasty side that emerges if-
    - if he is proved wrong
    -if he is caleed a muslim or pakistani
    - if anyone cracks a joke at him

    SO LET ME SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR-
    -ravi indulges in obscenities when paaji cracks a wonderful joke at him
    - ravi abused the hindu gods when arguing with rajeev last blog
    ……………….
    so SHAN and balwinder – guilty Sir of not speaking up before- but- and this will surprise u- ravi scares me- he is 2 vile and unstable
    for sure he is muslim not sure he is pakistani, he is an embarrasment to us indian muslims

    [Reply]

    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Rizwan,

    The probelm is that people like you who have proved from their sveral earlier comments
    that you are a ture patriot Indian , but, being a muslim you have to prove it again and again.
    It is really very sad. Just be what you are – a fine young gentlemen – no need to defend yourself everytime .

    [Reply]

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Rizwan

    I am so sorry.

    I misread your post.

    I mistakenly understood what you were trying to say.

    I understood what you were saying as Shan did not abuse me and that my abusive reactions towards him were un-provoked.

    Hence, why I unnecessarily posted the proof of his obscenities towards me.

    Feel free to ignore them.

    Just for your information, I am not a Muslim. If I were I would have been the worst Muslim you would have ever known.

    I eat pork and drink alcohol regularly. I have not said a prayer in decades, though I am regular vistor to the Havelock Road Sikh Temple.

    You have reminded me of two Shers, that cover the subject.

    Momin said.

    Umar to sari kati Ishaq – e – buttan mein Momin
    Aakhri waqt mein kya khak musalman hongay.

    Mir Taki Mir said.

    Mir ke majhab ka poochtae kya ho Un nay to
    khshka gaincha daer mein baitha kab ka tark Islam kiya.

    Please accept my apology.

    [Reply]

  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    RIZWAN

    Against my better judgement, I am going to take on the challenge. So this is what you say.

    SHAN sez– …..YOU HAVE NEVER USED A SINGLE WORD AGAINST YOUR chutney ferret ravi+ ISI Agent , who spews out nothing but vile obscenities…..

    The following just goes to prove what you actually are, a light weight idiot of the first order. Now run along to show this to your Abba Jan and se if he falls off is broken ghatia.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Ravi Reply:

    December 21st, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Dr Mishra

    Thanks for your rsponse.

    I will address each of the issues you have raised.

    Let me first take the General Point. What I asked you was if you could quote any of what I have said, which is anti Hindu. You have singularly failed to do so.

    However, you do make the point that I use un-gentlemenly and intemperate language. I plead guilty and offer the following in mitigation.

    SHAN attacks me personally at every opportunity he gets. I will cut and paste here some of what he has said to me and about me from previous posts. In each of the examples I site here, there is a date and time stamp so you can investigate further, should you be so inclined.

    ________________________________________

    1. November 16th, 2010 at 2:55 pm ….@ravi circumcised, wife beater,

    2. November 8th, 2010 at 8:51 pm…@Ravi, are you sure about your birth certificate , not a forgery which turned Dera adam khan to dehra. and weall know where dera adam khan is.

    3. November 8th, 2010 at 8:18 pm…@jindal, I read the posting to you by ravi, I cannot help agreeing with him . A lady came to casualty , apparently beaten and black and blue , because as she was having a headache , she refused sex. but her husband , his name surprise surprise Ravi,

    4. November 9th, 2010 at 3:29 am…@Ravi, the NOT is missing because your foreskin is missing

    5. November 9, 2010 at 2:28 am…@Ashish and his homoerotic soul mate Ravi….

    6. November 9th, 2010 at 10:38 pm…@Binoy,well this ravi and haram autar may be the same person , or perhaps ISI at work .

    7. November 11th, 2010 at 12:42 am…like the Ravi pakistani, Ashish kamchor , faltu hindustani.

    8. November 11th, 2010 at 3:39 pm…Classical response of a ISI man.

    9. November 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm…@…..unless you are also a pakistani like Ravi.

    10. November 13th, 2010 at 3:31 pm…@Ravi is it really,

    11. November 7th, 2010 at 3:33 pm…@Ravi, the mole of a particular country ,

    12. November 5th, 2010 at 5:55 pm…@Ravi , the difference is between you and me , one rationalist , the other a closet jihadi, if not jihadi then definitely beleives islam is the greatest and innutable , or shall we say just THE beleiver.

    13. November 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm…@Ravi (most definitely circumcised for religious reason)

    14. December 5th, 2010 at 12:04 am…@Ravi, you ignorant moron you reveal your birth religion that is a congregational religion and that is Islam.

    15. December 4th, 2010 at 11:52 pm…@ravi, the dole cheat from the council estates of toxeth

    16. December 5th, 2010 at 2:33 am…@ravi, the genital warts,

    17. November 29th, 2010 at 8:30 pm…@ravi, the internet ISI..

    18. November 30th, 2010 at 12:45 am…@Ravi , the purest beleiver in five pillars

    19. November 29th, 2010 at 1:30 am…@Ravi circumcised

    20. November 30th, 2010 at 5:38 pm…@Ravithe greatest admirer of hadith.,

    21. December 2nd, 2010 at 6:37 pm…@Ravi, the ISI agent

    22. December 5th, 2010 at 10:31 pm…@Kunal, it is time beneath the stairs , blindfolded pakistani ravi came out of the closet and declare himself a pakistani.

    23. December 6th, 2010 at 9:44 pm…@rajeev, wellcome back, i have been at my wits end to derobe this soft jehadi RAVI, now he has a soul mate in Ashish

    24. December 8th, 2010 at 9:12 pm…@Ravi Pakistani, from a rational humanist

    25. December 8th, 2010 at 11:18 pm…@Ravi pakistani from shan Hindustani

    26. December 8th, 2010 at 9:08 pm…@raju kurien, you didn’t ……….Similarly this circumcised ravi says I hate paedophiles yet his his room is stacked with child porn. He doesn’t like foul language yet describes the expletives with candour, this is taquiya in full swing.
    [Reply]

    __________________________________________________

    So Dr Mishra, now that you have been acquainted with Ali Shan’s modus operandi, I hope you would be gracious enough to afford me the luxury of RETALIATORY aggression.

    Further more all of the above is a part of widely used tactic, if you do not like what some says, discredit them.

    Now let me address some of the other points you make.

    I vehemently disagree with you and I believe that it is the tactic of Hindu Right, to draw attention to Islamic Terrorism and not to the SANCTIFIED oppression of Dalits and OBCs in India. I also disagree with you when you say that such form of oppression is not TERRORISM. IT IS if you view it from the POV of those that are being oppressed.

    So Dr Mishra, here in this Forum, each time people say, look how bad Islam is, then I have this uncontrollable urge to pint out that, we are not much better ourselves.

    Once again, I will take issue with the fact that Islamic terrorism is most feared all around the world. I do not feel it. During the 70s and 80s there were anti immigrant riots in the UK, Toxteth Liverpool, St Pauls Bristol, Broadwater farm Totenham, London, Southall, where Blair Peach died. During these years, Islam was not even an issue and it peacefully coexisted among other immigrant communities in the UK. So rioting and terrorism as a political weapon is widely used and Hinduism is no exception to this general rule.

    I notice that you have joined the ranks of people who think I am a Pakistani, simply because I oppose the Hindu Right. I suggest that in any future posts you desist from such baseless accusations or I will become abusive towards you too. The choice is yours. I am ANTI HINDU RIGHT, not anti Hinduism. I am a Liberal Hindu myself.

    I don’t give a tinker’s cuss as to what Pakistan is or what other journalists say about Pakistan. I am not in a race with Pakistan. My entire focus is on my own motherland and I leave Pakistan to the Pakistani’s

    Since when has the Hindustan Times become your newspaper. I was reading the Hindustan times when you were nothing more than a twinkle in the eye of a honeymoon couple.

    I will pass on your condescending remarks to those who care about Pakistan/Jews/Americans, etc.

    So here is an offer, this offer was also made to SHAN on at least three different occasions, stick to making points and you will get a civil response. Resort to conjecture, name-calling or casting aspersions on my nationality, religion etc, you will get a mouthful back and as you know I can be very unpleasant when it suits me.

    [Reply]

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    Such elegant prose , what will the sucker of good prose do today, perhaps skip his afternoon beer , and spend the whole night sucking the prose with dreary eyes.
    On a more serious issue , only a person indoctrinated in the philosophy of Al -Muhazuroon , will equate INDISCRIMINATE terrorist violence with riots. With riots , police can preempt the riot from taking place ,
    would the scribe (some people have become sucker for his good prose , an example”The following just goes to prove what you actually are, a light weight idiot of the first order. Now run along to show this to your Abba Jan and se if he falls off is broken ghatia.”) from Middlesex in a house with Dimple double glazing window like to tell us , how many people including blair Peach , have died in Britain since 1947 till date and how many people died in july the 7th TERRORIST ATTACK BY THE VERY ONES WHO WERE SURVIVING ON THE COUNTRY OF THEIR BIRTH’S GENEROUS SOCIAL SECURITY PACKAGE
    Total killed in riots 20 total killed in 7/7 170

    [Reply]

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    HaHA he (and his buddy Ram) leaves Pakistan to Pakistanis….Looks like he did not get Devdasis this time..Or the attack on Jains by Hindu thugs eons ago.. or the justification all conquerers screw up..His equivocation and eagerness to blame India’s “right wing Hinduism” is unbelievable…What happens if people vote right wing Hindus to political power..

    As a Christian, I rather be under right wing Hindu party rather than the Mullahs who mourn for Osama bin Laden..

    [Reply]

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    @ riswan puttar, kush keeta, your silence on ravi-isi obscenities was inexplicable. Sorry to take you back to your university cafe, I did not intend it like that

    Aashish- I agree with you – ravi writes well. but did you see his pathetic attack on my family in obscene language after a cracking joke on him, and him alone

    Or ASHISH are you one of those Indians who are so charmed by the eloqence of Zufliqar, Zia and Musharraf- that even after they are responsible for tens of thousands of INDIAN deaths, you still cannot utter a word against them

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    @Balwinder,
    I make it a point not to involve myself in others’ quarrels- I did say, Ravi’s attack was “puzzling”.

    And, I take serious exception to “one of those Indians” from you. You are not even an Indian; you are a ******* brit. Don’t ever assume some monopoly on patriotism.

    [Reply]

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @ravi- the wheel turns a full circle, your statement, which has been fully addressed before, still beggars belief – ….Once again, I will take issue with the fact that Islamic terrorism is most feared all around the world. I do not feel it…..

    Yes Ravi, on your planet, Islamic terrorism is not feared. On planet earth, it is. I have no energy to once again address this vacuous statement, I leave it to the eloquent young guns- Rajeev, Rizwan, Shan and Ashish. And the young-at-heart praaji Sandhu.

    Imagine, stupid Obama, sending his braves halfway around the earth to kill cuddly Osama, who was perhaps leading a retired life, watching Sheila ki jawani, on Satellite tv.

    @Ashish- shan made a small mistake of mentioning Gautam’s daughter. Pl leave him alone now

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    In planet Parnoia it is felt on Planet Earth it is not.

    The day after Osma was killed the daily life in London did not feel any different than it did the day before.

    This is even after David Cameron had warned about reprisals, etc.

    So excuse me if I do not shre the same level of Paranoia as you do.

    if there ever was a vacuous staement then it has to be “islamic terrorism is most feared all around the world”, if it is then it does not seem have affected daily life here in the U.K.

    Please bring out your absurd comparison between the Marwari loan shark, etc. etc.

    I have made my views AB S O L U T E L Y C L E A R T O YOU A B O U T O B A M A.

    So talk to him watch Sheila ki Jawani who gives a toss, I for sure do not.

    Dr Mishra it is clear beyond any doubt what so ever that you are a Paranoid Hindu Fundo.

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    bombings in
    BALI
    SHARM EL SHAIKH
    INDIA
    PAKISTAN
    911
    MUMBAI
    AKSHARDHAM TEMPLE
    INDIAN PARLIAMENT
    LONDON 7/7
    TIMES SQUARE- FAISAL
    SWEDISH BOMBER 2011
    GLASGOW AIRPORT- DR BILAL
    SHOE BOMBER
    INTERNAT SCIENCE CONF BANGALORE
    UGANDA WORLD CUP TV WATCHERS
    US EMBASSY AFRICA

    this is all islamic terrorism, my hands are tired of writing, there is much more

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    How come you did not mention the following.

    1. 1000s killed in Libiya

    2. 100,000 killed in Iraq.

    3. 100,000 killed in Afghanistan.

    4. 1000s killed in Palestine.

    These are all regularly cited as the basic reason for radicalisation of Muslims in the middle east.

    I can go on you know.

    Or are you one of those who wishes to measure reaction and not the action that is the root cause of it.

    It is not your hands that are tired; it is your arguments that are one sided, tired and jaundiced.

    You are not an analyst but you are a reactionary.

    tajender Reply:

    doctor saheb kutch sharam aa rahi lekin kahana padta hai,we were not,

    1.eliminators of aboriginals of america canada newzealand australia .
    2.we did not killled 10 million africans in slave trade.
    3.we did not 66 millions in russia to establish communism.
    4.we did not perpetuated ww1 and ww2.
    5.we did not marganalized and killed jews for centuries.
    6.we did not killed 25million ladies in medieval ages claiming them witch.
    7 we did not killed millions of europeans to force them to convert them.
    8.we did not robbed latin america.
    9 we did not starved to death half the population of assam bengal and bihar in first 50yrs of rule.
    10.we did not killed 250000 resident of jammu in 72 hrs on 6th nov.1947.
    11.vietnam war was not perpetuated by us.
    12 philipines was not pauperized and brothelized by us.
    13.palestine was not occupied by us.40 million refugees languishing different in camps
    from 68 years not because of us.
    14.we did not pauperized latin america And stole their natural wealth.
    15 we did not created shudras and bhangees in india.
    16.we did not stole 1.5trillions and hide them in ashrams and swiss banks.

    regarding ur charge sheet of islamic terrorism,in india it was hindu terrorism,islamic fight is limited to kashmir.remaining places it is neglible as compare to what they are doing.
    dont keep double standards.u are doctor.

    Ravi Reply:

    Tajendar

    You are absolutely right in listing these historical facts.

    However, you have to remember, when Dr Mishra goes to the airport and they search him, then it is not because any of the atrocities that you cite, it is because of the Islamist (not Islamic as he insists in calling it) terrorism.

    So for him the Islamist terrorism is very real, the rest is propaganda put out by Pseudo Secular Historians such as Romila Thapar.

    So stop being rational, leave that for the other Doctor. Just learn to be a jingoist, that way you will be appreciated more.

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    911=islamist terror

    stupid bush reacts- invades Iraq

    action- stupid reaction

    tajender Reply:

    mishra jee,
    thanks for responsing.islamic terror is because of occupation of palestine.their plan to demolish our third sacred mosque in jerusalam.then relentless anti-muslim propaganda.there are 40 million
    palestanian refugees languishing in different countries from 68years.daily killing of muslims in different part of world will bring some reaction.some angry men who last there loved one will react.
    always attacking and blaming game.it is pakistan who captured all alqaida leaders and handed over to america.
    whereever there is money ,they go and destroy civil society.attack on muslims and islam.is more as they are sitting on oil and gas wealth.islam terror is only an imagination propagated by zoinists to occupy or attack muslim country.
    moreover muslims are fighting with americans not indians.hindus working in muslims countries are living good life.none of them was ever attacked or harrased because of their religious affiliation.
    in australia london or

    tajender Reply:

    in australia london or us and canada u people are generally attack.
    wealth and generosity of arabs is feeding half india.ossama was against usa and isreal for treatment of palestanians.he was not against india or indians.

    tajender Reply:

    shan lot muslims and suppressed of world LOVE OSSAMA.they should pray for him.it is done all over the world.

    Would somebody kindly tell me why the bodies of 26/11 terrorist WERE REFUSED FOR BURIAL BY THE MUSLIM CEMETRIES ACROSS INDIA. One for the goose , one for the gander

    SHAAN like any other bengalee u r also moron u cannot find difference.ur knowledge is superficial

    OSSAMA WAS NOT AGAINST INDIA OR NON MUSLIMS.HE WAGED A HOLY WAR AGINST AMERICA AND ISREAL FOR THEIR OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE.AND THEIR TREATMENT OF PEOPLE OF THAT AREA.AND THEIR CRUSADE AGINST PEOPLE OF IRAQ .
    ruling class of muslim society support america.their victims by and large support ossama.

    10 were not allowed burial because they were directly involved in terrorist act killed indians
    hence ex-communicated from community.

    BUT THIS WHITE F.K..D U PEOPLE WITHOUT PUTTING A DROP OF GREASE WHY U STILL
    FEEL GREAT BY POLISHING THEIR SHOES.

    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    So you are drawing a direct link between 9/11 and the second Iraq war.

    I think you may be a lone voice here.

    The universally accepted wisdom is that Saddam Hussien and Iraq were not supporting any form of terrorism, least of all Islamist terrorism.

    I suggest that over a glass of Chilean Merlot you study the difference between Pretext and Reason.

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Ravi-

    There is a direct link between 9/11 and Iraq war from a US govt perspective.

    US Govt decided tafter 9/11 hey cannot take any chance on anybody who apparently had WMD who was against US. They were genuinely afraid that WMD will find its way into Muslim terrorists hands.

    There was always suspicion about Saddams weapon programs. That coupled with his occasional shooting of no flyzone planes was enough situation for US to attack.

    And their faulty intelligence told them it will be a surgical stuff – in a week they can get back. We all kn ow what happened.

    They genuinely believed Sadam’s weapons will end up with Al Queda. But that should not be a sufficient situation to go to war. Again, in their worldview they thought that it would have been swift with very little collateral damage.

    tajender Reply:

    they wanted change of goverment.like what they are doing in iraq.

    tajender Reply:

    . But that should not be a sufficient situation to go to war. Again, in their worldview they thought that it would have been swift with very little collateral damage.

    because they are foolish.may be they are clever.money does not belong to them or their father.war and voilence make them.iraq and afghanistan are the 2 countries which were never ruled by outsiders.

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    Are you talking about the pretext or the real reason.

    If real reason, then I dis-agree with you.

    Further more we are talking NOW and not in the days immidiately after 9/11.

    Regards

    Ravi

    Ashish Reply:

    @Dr Misra,
    Re’ “Shan made a small mistake…”..
    Shan keeps making such “mistakes” every time he posts.. he derails every discussion that he enters with his needless name calling, personal abuses and off-tangent quoting of facts without any bearing on the topic. This is not the first time I have had to point out the abusive nature of his posts- Rizwan, Balwinder, Vinay.. many other have done so in the past-
    He considers himself an expert on topics as diverse as economics, sociology, electronics, british royalty, medicine and what have you.. much of what he writes is drivel.
    He has more than once made a claim that owing to the fact that he lives in UK, he is somehow superior to the rest of us poor Indians. We have been treated with gratuitous details of his lifestyle- including cars he owns. He claims we should be jealous of him.
    I maintain what I wrote earlier- I admire Gautam Chikermane for having the decency to remove Shan’s post- and blacklist him; so that Shan can stop embarrassing himself and others. I still maintain Zia Haq should do so as well. But, given that Zia measures the success of his blog in terms of comments and visits- and trolls like Shan are good for eyeballs- I do not expect him to follow Gautam.

    You used the word “vacuous” in connection with Ravi’s statement on Islamic terrorism. I wonder if you would consider the word “contentious” instead? Vacuous is what Shan’s statements are.

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    @ASHISH- agree with most of what you have said, just felt shan was getting too much stick.
    Your own opinion about my ?duel with ravi above, would be welcome

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    and for whatever it is worth, I have pointed all of this to shan last year

    shan Reply:

    @Dr Mishra , you wanted an evidence in support of my assertion that wherever arabs went they turned the place into a desert. While researching on the genetic origin of arabs I came across this article (will bring back ashis’s insomnia, also perhaps that mean soul would like to comment why so many other bloggers have acknowledged the value of my contribution), first copy and paste
    Wherever Arabs have conquered, the lands became deserted; the Arabian peninsula itself was not so dry, and Yemen had an irrigation network that allowed the land to be fruitful before Northern Arabs invaded and subdued the Sabean kingdom. Spain and Sicily were fertile lands in Roman times; they became dry during the Arab occupation. Only Eretz Yisrael recovered fertility after hard work done by Jews – the pieces of land still occupied by Arabs remain arid. The second term is also suitable to define Arabs, as they are indeed a mixture of different peoples. Arabs themselves recognize to come from two unrelated patriarchs: Qahtan (Southern Arabs) and Adnan (Northern Arabs), to be respectively identified with a Sabean and an Ishmaelite ancestor.

    http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Arabs.htm

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Good piece of reserach..Thanks Shan

    here in US people are feeling a little bit jubiliant– although economic issues are there —
    Anand girdhardas has writen an excellent article on the OSama killing as well as other stuff in todays NY times

    tajender Reply:

    ossama was creation of america.they. took him to afghanistan,them to bosnia.then personal clash with bush ,huge payment from saudi arabia,he became terrorist.

    SURPRISINGLY IN FBI LIST OF PERPETUATOR OF 9/11 NAME OF OSSAMA IS MISSING.

    tajender Reply:

    all ur claims are bullshit and wrong.when muslims lost power to britishers our gdp was 25%of world.literacy was 93%.in 1947 gdp was 1.5% and literacy was 7-8%.it means they f.k.ng u without putting one drop of grease.while muslims were using best quality lubricant provided to them by brhmns.
    this was india ur bengal did not become desert as u claim.during muslim rule it was called sonar bangla BRITISHERS CONVERTED THIS INTO BHOOT BANGLA.just to get clerical jobs u were polishing their boots and licking their a$$.they used to call u badboo(bad smell)because of smell of fish from ur body.THIS LATTER BECAME BABOO.

    REGARDING THE WORLD.mr hegde in newyork an exhibition is going on depicting 1001 muslim invention (innovative).read about muslim spain.it was most properous country of europe with street light running water coplete irrigation system(later brought to india)thousands of libraries and hundreds of universities.iraq iran egypt wherever they have gone country became
    good because of their high morality and system.

    regarding nabatea,petra and karnak(syria)these civilization were roman.90%slaves 10%nobles.
    remanant of that civilization can be found in jordan ,syria and lebnon.islam came 3000 years after,locals converted.

    regarding egypt ,sahara desrt is 3000 years old,i think same time brhmns came to india.sometime i see their origins from.egypt.mishra means people from misr.

    THIS SITE IS FROM ISREALI PROPAGANDA DEPARTMENT HENCE FULL OF HALF TRUTH AND UNTRUTH.
    Spain and Sicily were fertile lands in Roman times; they became dry during the Arab occupation.

    READ THE HISTORY OF SPAIN.ONLY .ONE CITY ALHAMRA HAD 59 GARDENS.when european rulers could not read or write muslim ruled areas had best universities.
    desett

    Ashish Reply:

    @Doc Misra,
    I started writing my response to the “contentious” remark of Ravi- but, it is getting late here.. I shall be back, tomorrow.

    Ravi Reply:

    Asish

    Very well said.

    I am sorry if you feel that somehow I may have dragged you in my dispute, then let me assure you that was not my intention.

    However, I notice that a clique of like-minded pseudo pundits seems to have formed and they try to out wit one, not by the strength of their argument by referencing to each other. It was that which prompted me to create this concept of 5 nodding dogs.

    I have felt that recently several attempts have been made to co-opt you in that group and thereby isolate Ram Autar and myself.

    It seems that any attempt at made here trying to understand the underlying phenomenon rather than recount the incident is treated as an un-patriotic activity and there by deplorable.

    Today I have two re-posts.

    The first one was my abusive post against Balwinder. I did that because the so called unfunny joke was re-posted.

    I do not regret that.

    The second was posted because I mistakenly believed that Rizwan was under the impression that Shan did not abuse me. This post included evidence of all the abuses I was able to gather in a short time. Regrettably, this post also included in it some points from a previous discussion with Dr Mishra. Perhaps it would have been better if I had removed them because they have re-kindled unintentionally an old argument.

    I regret this repost and have apologized to Rizwan.

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    @Ravi,
    No sweat; I can handle my corner.
    I just promised Doc Misra, I will be back. I think I need to make a case for the true Hindu Right Wing Reactionary who is scared of Islamic Terrorists.
    Good night for today.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    Good night.

    Look forward to your arguments, rather than the arguments of a True Hindu. Arguments do not have a religion; they can stand on their own and do not require props from a religion.

    tajender Reply:

    Right Wing Reactionary who is scared of Islamic Terrorists

    ashish they are not scared,they are paid.also a drama to take shabashi from zoinists.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Ravi,
    taking the family out for a long and leisurely lunch; will post on return.
    I decided against putting the Hindu Right Wing Reactionary in quotes; that’s how I used to be labeled on this blog (I was the original Hindu fundoo on this blog, sob! till others came and usurped my position :) ) not so long ago.
    @Tajender, Hindu fundoo or not, I AM scared of the Islamists.

    shan Reply:

    @Tejender your lines
    “we did not killled 10 million africans in slave trade”
    Now read on
    “David Livingstone would tell audiences in London in 1857 that though the Euoropean slave trade may be dying that of ARABS IN EAST AFRICA was growing.Slaves may have constituted a fifth of the population of Haut-senegal -Niger in first quarter of twentieth century , a quarter of that in Sokoto CALIPHATE.MUSLIM SCHOLARS STILL HAD THEIR SLAVES IN THAT REGION AS THEIR PREDECESSORS HAD IN THE FIFTEENTH CENTURY, AND SO DID NOBLE MEN.
    OTTOMAN slave trade was probably about 11,000 a year in the second half of tthat era.
    MAURITIANA where despite the abolition of that institution at least three times , MOST RECENTLY IN 1980
    90,000 (yes you are reading it correct)BLACK AFRICANS ARE SAID TO LIVE AS FULL TIME SLAVE TO ARAB MASTERS”(Source , The Slave Trade ,by Hugh Thomas , page 790-791)

    Post script : Hope the sucker for good prose does not suffer from Dyspesia after reading this drivel.
    hopefully his family outdoor lunch would have the mandatory six hours break ,needed for gastric transit.

    tajender Reply:

    yeas europe it was dying in arab world it remained for longer period.but zoinist were trading this.from new amsterdem (newyork)they will go to africa bring them to new york sell them.9 out of 10 will die on the way due to hunger and atrocities.that is why africa is thinly populated continent.

    tajender Reply:

    but arabs used to eat in the same plate with their slave.there are many slaves who were holding ministerial cabinet posts.now system abolished long ago.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    Enjoy your family lunch.

    I look forward to a civilised discussion.

    tajender Reply:

    Tajender, Hindu fundoo or not, I AM scared of the Islamists

    THIS IS THE VICTORY OF MEDIACRACY.WE INDIANS ARE MADE TO AFRAID WITH ANYTHING REAL OR ORIGINAL.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish your lines
    He has more than once made a claim that owing to the fact that he lives in UK, he is somehow superior to the rest of us poor Indians
    UTTER BOLLOCKS
    All I have tried to impress is that it is not possible to imagine the difference between UK/USA and India in terms of access to INFORMATION(internet notwithstanding)Just ask Dr Mishra , binoy, Rajeev or even your DOST ISI Agent.
    The whole purpose of my coming to these blogs is to PERCOLATE information to my fellow Indians(I hold an Indian Passport) so that they wake up from the slumber of SMUGNESS.
    Currently reading “The World of Christopher Marlowe” by David Riggs.
    In 1955 , marlowe Snr , had to undergo SEVEN yr of apprentice to become an independendent shoe maker and admitted to the guild. he got away with four yrs ,as there was massive shortage because of plague .His shop was not very big , how do we know HIS NAME WAS NOT IN THE TAX REGISTER. Yes Tax Register in Canterbury circa 1955, that too for a shoe maker.
    You could not just become an apprentice, it had to be someone approved by the guild.
    once independent , he could take apprentices , infact his son in law was entitled by law to become an apprentice. This fetched a handsome dowry for the daughter of the shoe maker.
    Any lingering doubts as to why England ruled and India was ruled.

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    SORRY for 1955 read 1565

    Ashish Reply:

    irrelevant drivel; as usual

    shan Reply:

    The green eyed monster , as usual

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @shan, very interesting link. I have just finished reading AATISH TASEER- Stranger to history- where he travels through Saudia, Iran, Syria, Turkey and finishes in Pakistan. An acid work at times, particularly when he clashes with his estranged father Salman Taseer, but entertaining.
    Shades of VS Naipaul here.

    @tajender- no one said Islamists were responsible for every atrocity in the world. But yes, as the world comes together in a quest for economic progress, tourism and universal healthcare, and in which India has benefitted enormously in its interaction with USA and Europe over the last 25 years, the biggest danger of the world’s economiy’s wheel coming off is Islamist terror.
    The reactionary response to it by US in its invasion of Iraq is evil, and certainly on many Pakistan websites where I blog a lot (and so do some others here) I have always said that G Bush should be tried for war crimes.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    So a new theory is born.

    “The reactionary response to it (Islamist terror) by US in its invasion of Iraq is evil” .

    Since when has the invasion of Iraq being linked to Islamist Terror.

    Unless, I am mistaken, Saddam Hussein, who was not Islamist, was the reason for the Iraq war.

    He was a brutal dictator, yes. Islamist, A BIG NO NO.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    All

    Now that, rather unexpectedly, Dr Mishra has sprung to undeserved defence of SHAN and has started to appreciate his irrelevant research, one expects jibes such as “pill pusher” will stop.

    If that happens, I will monitor it carefully, then may be Ashish and I should learn from such sycophantic behaviour and seek salvation from personal abuses.

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    benoy, welcome back, you been away on hols? Giridhardas writes well, I read excerpts of his book on India- reads like a ballad.
    Isnt it great that some of the most amazing books written in the last 15 years have been by Indians or about India-
    life of pi
    white tiger
    stranger to history
    slumdog
    maximum city
    etc

    There is also an interesting book on Pakistan- in fact thrilling- Mohsin Ahmed- THE RELUCTANT FUNDAMENTALIST- I could not put it down. I belive hollywood wants to make it

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    bush must be tried for attack on iraq.because he ordered bombing of civilian areas.american themselves have taken large no. of serbians including their president to world court in hague for the same crime.it is not only muslims(better call them victims)who are asking this ,but many american human right organization pressing for this.there are 4.5 million orphans begging of streets of iraq.
    this is not finished here.gaza is a strip of 35 square mile.he send many many ship loaded with
    phophorius and cluster bombs to isreal knowing fully well,that these sre goining to be used oncivilian population.

    HE MUST BE TRIED FOR CRIMINAL ACT.but like modi he will get away as well.but somewhere he will be punished.
    reagen called taliban ,soldier of god.war finished they became terrorist.now guantanamo bay they are being sent to libya to fight against qaddafi.again they became soldier of god.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    911=islamist terror

    stupid bush reacts- invades Iraq

    action- stupid reaction

    MISHRAJEE DAVID RUMSFIELD AND AMIN JAMEL (president of lebnon)were classmate.amin jamal went to new york.invited donald rumsfield for dinner,he told him that we will remove saddam
    we want regime change.amin went to baghdad and informed this to saddam.he did took it seriously.
    attack of iraq was planned from longtime.false bibilical prophecies were created.when american public opinion was not showing interest ,sept11 was perpetuated.

    to avoid jewish casaulaties septt 11 (jewish new year)time morning was choosen.they are doing religious profiling every where why not here.therre are 11%jewish names.but they were convert or jews nobdy knows.kerosene oil lanten nahin jala pata hai.18inch mota girder kaise melt kar dega.
    100 storeys fell in 57minutes.

    go to fbi web ossma name is not included in name of culprits.when the question was with fbi
    spokesman ,they awnsered ,they are not sure.

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    I had read Tasser a year ago and quoted him extensively in this blog, BUT CHECK THIS OUT
    olkata, May 6 : Muslim devotees in large numbers assembled at a mosque in central Kolkata to participate in a special Friday prayer meeting for ”peace of the soul” of slain al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden.

    The Shahi Imam of Tipu Sultan Mosque at Dharamtalla, Maulana Nurur Rehman Barkati, presided over the special prayer for ‘peace of the soul’ of the al Qaeda leader killed by the US forces in Pakistan.

    ”The prayer was organised for peace of the soul of Bin Laden as he was not given a proper burial,” All India Minority Forum president Idris Ali, who particiated in the prayer, said.

    –UNI

    Would somebody kindly tell me why the bodies of 26/11 terrorist WERE REFUSED FOR BURIAL BY THE MUSLIM CEMETRIES ACROSS INDIA. One for the goose , one for the gander.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    comes together in a quest for economic progress, tourism and universal healthcare

    IN ALL THESE ITEMS INDIA IS FAR LAGGING BEHIND MANY COUNTRIES INCLUDING MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
    TO ITNI TEACHERY KYA HAI.HAMMAM MEIN SAB NANGE HAIN.in indian brhmnsm has pushed
    everybody to poverty and ignorance.we are not the only one.

    [Reply]

  • shan

    There is no doubt , that what bush and Cheney and their POODLE Tony did was VILE , comparable to the Nazis. Even inUSA a half jew director OLIVER STONE have been scathing about the troica , cheney , rumsfeld and the dumbo bush. Just watch the film W.
    They should ideally face a trial , then jiska danda uska bhains.
    At least in UK , their is an enquiry going on.But the bloggers (ashish included) should realise ANGLOSAXON world is based on LEGALISM. So long they did not break the law (of which I know hardly anything), they will get away with it.
    As to invasion of IRAQ, whether it would have taken place on some other pretext is a million dollar question ,ie, supposing 9/11 didn’t take place.
    Then again you cannot absolve the arabs of their pig(oops) headedness. Why Saddam needed to invade iran and kuwait.Perhaps saddam should have let the americans send as many inspectors they like , rather than making it a prestige issue, a bit like letting BJP build the Ram Temple , thus taking the wind out of its sail.
    Then that is Islamic irrationaity for you ,WHICH WE SEEIN ABUNDANCE IN PAKISTAN.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    attack was planned long ago to rob their oil.attacking kuwait and iran was their internal matter.both attacke secretly instigated by jews.who mostly trade in oil.

    Then that is Islamic irrationaity for you ,WHICH WE SEEIN ABUNDANCE IN PAKISTAN.

    in pakistan it is game of dollars.their rulers have their stolen money in european banks.if refuse american orders money will go.if they follow american orders their neck will go.

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    doc Mishraji, with due respect u r beginning to irritate me. u and others on this blog seem to be drawn to Ravi- he MAKES IMBECILIC STATEMENTS LIKE – Once again, I will take issue with the fact that Islamic terrorism is most feared all around the world. I do not feel it – and promptly you feel compelled to debate it.
    I a muslim say ravi’s statement is obsessively dangerously denialist- like Zaid Hamid after 2611- yeh sab Indian RAW ney karaya hai. Please mishraji, I respect you, but u do not know my quom, dude. 1% lives in denial and in an ether of putrid anti hinduism.
    For example, I STATED THAT RAVI HAD INSULTED THE HINDU GODS IN HIS ARGUMENT WITH RAJEEV LAST MONTH, and none of u hindus are moved. He is giggling, having evaded answering that question.
    wot’s it with u hindus????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Rizwan

    If there is any one here who is in denial and is an imbecile, then it is you. You are unable to analyse the underlying forces, which are responsible for terrorism. You are observing the symptoms rather than diagnosing the disease.

    Siraf marham lagane say zakham dheek nahin hoga.

    Yes when exchanging abuses with Rajeev I did utter an obscenity against RAM. RAM the mythical God, which the RSS has imposed upon North Indian Hindus.

    If you want a discussion on that then study the activities of the RSS, over the last 60 years with the aim of coalescing the Hindu community around a strong (one or two) Gods.

    My abuse, regrettable as it may be, is completely irrelevant, its hardly anything more than a measure of my temper at the time.

    Against my better judgement, I have a feeling that Shan’s assessment of you is correct. You indulge in school room politics.

    [Reply]

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Ravi, Pakistani-

    It is interesting to watch you (and Ram, most probably you yourself as a less sophisticated version) dumbfounded when you come across Indian Muslims such as Syed, Rizwan, Shoeb, Mirza etc. ISI is spending money on wrong people and wrong things (reinforced by Osama’s death!), you guys will not able to persuade Syeds and Rizwans; they are equal partners in the process on this side of the border.

    How long are you going to equivocate Osama Laden’s global Islamic terror to RSS terror? And this is another new colour – “RSS trying to unite Hindus around a strong (one or two) Gods..Does ISI have any info on what those two Gods are?

    I requested you several times — discuss the subject, dont bring something that may have happened as a justification – Devdasis do not have anything to do about Osama bin Laden, neither Jain conversion that happened 2000 years ago, and for that matter RSS organizing Hindus on two Gods (waiting for the list of two gods).

    No wonder with agents like you where else Pakistan can go, other than to “Strategic Depth”

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    “RSS trying to unite Hindus around a strong (one or two) Gods..Does ISI have any info on what those two Gods are
    so now it is clear that u are hindu fascist not christian.biggest liars on the earth

    tajender Reply:

    raju rss is a bunch of gangester,murderers,hom0sexuals,wife swappers hawala dealers ,infant burners,scam operators,riot organizers,financial thieves,hawala dealers,bomb planters infant burners,rapists and duplicate medicine manufacturers.
    iknow these people from my child hood.most of my friend were going to shkhas.

    FULL FORM OF RSS SHOULD BE rumour spreading society.

    any type of derogatory adjectives is nothing as compare to their deeds.in kerala congress and cpm is doing their job.hence it loses the election.they are the strom troopers of hindu
    fascism in india.

    Ravi Reply:

    Raju

    Yes I have. Read below.

  • Mohan Ramchandani

    EXCULUSIVE FROM HEAVEN.

    Reported by Zial Al Haq ( Late President of Pakistan )

    All 72 virgins have refused to sleep with Osama Bin Laden till he shaves his beard.
    Now this poor guy is in dillema whether to keep his beard which is the sign of “TRUE “muslim
    or should he shave and enjoy those 72 virgins. ( Not yet confirmed whether male or female virgins).

    Inside information – he is tilting towards shaving.

    Will keep you updated.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I recommend Wilkinson Sword

    [Reply]

    shan Reply:

    I recommend ISI agent , to do the job .

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    This job requires surgical precision, which is beyond you.

    Therefore, I accept the job.

    shan Reply:

    I wish you a “safe” journey to your assignment

    tajender Reply:

    ossama pauperized america.30trillion dollars were spent to find him.every man has to die.what is new in it.

    tajender Reply:

    i think he will go to asahram of ichadhari baba who had 600 ready all the time through sonu punjabin

    [Reply]

  • Rizwan

    balwinder paaji, you had chalenegd my patriotism and my sense of fairness. The only reason I had not been harsh on RAVI is-
    - he is too vile and unstable, resorts to abuse
    - nice oldies like Ashish and Mishraji indulge him, ‘cos he is eloquent’

    Well, folks, enjoy his eloquence one last time-
    +++++++++++
    Ravi- Yes when exchanging abuses with Rajeev I did utter an obscenity against RAM. RAM the mythical God, which the RSS has imposed upon North Indian Hindus.
    ++++++++++++++
    I denounce this scumbag- RAVI- ISI AGENT and hope others will too

    [Reply]

    S Singh Reply:

    Well, his cover has come out if he said this.

    Ram as a God was there time immerial before RSS was an organization. Nobody had to impose/. Ram, Krishna etc are parts of ancestral india.

    Ravi is a Pakistani, an angry Muslim from Pakistan, who thinks his country’s demise is all caused by India (and US, and Israel).

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    he meant through ram temple movement.he imposed ram as a political issue not religious.ram and krishna were part of hindu mythology.they were popularized in ruler area by nawab wajud ali shah of lucknow who used to play ralila and krishna lila in baradari lucknow.
    ravi is very much indian.in democratic society one can have different view.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    S Singh

    I urge you to read this.

    I based my opinion on the following.

    “The god-hero Rama has always been important in RSS iconography. Hedgewar deliberately inaugurated the organization on the day when Rama is supposed to have defeated Ravana in the epic contest between good and evil. …….Rama appears in the symbolism of the organization family under a variety of aspects: a pure baby, an angry warrior fighting in a hostile universe, a king presiding over an ideal era of prosperity and morality.

    In the process oa appropriating Rama as party/organization symbol, the organization transformed the traditional iconography of Rama in various ways. First, they turned him into the central god in the rntirety of the Hindu religion for the entire nation. This had not been the case formerly: Rama was little known in the south, and in some regions he was not even an admired figure. Through this process of transformation the RSS and other groups were in effect making Hinduism more monotheistic – ‘semiticizing it.’ As this development is sometimes described. There were good reasons for a movement bent on a national unity to try to rein in the chaotic and colourful many-sidedness of traditional Hinduism, in which, as in ancient Greek religion, worship is highly polymorphous, local, and syncretistic. Just as the British had to invent a fiction of Hindu law to codify civil law for all Hindus in a uniform way, so too the right had to invent a fictional Hinduism, very different from its roots.

    From: The Clash Within, pages 171, 172, Martha C Nussabaum.

    Let the abuse begin.

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi,
    Let me lead the abuse.
    I think Martha N (and by extension you, since you quote her verbatim), ascribe farsightedness and intelligence to the chaddiwalas they did not possess, do not possess and probably never will.

    Ravi Reply:

    I denounce you as weak sycophant scum bag

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Terrorist ravi,
    You Papa Osama is dead..no buzz off and jump into arabian sea to give him some company.

    [Reply]

  • tajender

    rizwan why u were silent when this son of a ***** was was using derogatory remark and abuses for our prophet.

    [Reply]

    tajender Reply:

    i mean to say rajeev

    [Reply]

  • http://- Rajeev

    The fact is that it is Mohammad and Quran who are responsible for all the terrorism we see in modern world.
    I will repeat this 100 times because SOBs like Tajender can not get away by blaming others for Islamic terrorism.

    [Reply]

  • Peter

    Just as a mule is a cross-breed between a horse and a donkey, ‘indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis/sri lankans’ are cross-breeds between Aryan and Dravidian (austral-african, black, negrito).

    The muslims/christians in the sub-continent are just converts over a period of time.

    For eg. Salman Khurshid is Aryan type while APJ Abdul Kalam is admixture (cross-breed). Both are converts to islam.

    The classification is based on skeletal/skull anthropometrics.

    [Reply]

  • http://opsudrania.blogspot.com/ Dr. O. P. Sudrania

    This is first time that I have perused his bio. I have always felt that he has so far distanced himself from any controversy. But because of his working with “Kaurav Sena” in Delhi, even he is feeling or bearing the brunt. I have not felt him politically or otherwise arrogant or egoistic so far overtly. My personal opinion for Mr Khursid is fairly high.

    [Reply]

    tres Reply:

    Traitor

    [Reply]