US politics: Donald Trump’s gotta ‘very negative vibe’



Despite 9/11, American Muslims are much better off and better integrated as a community than those in Europe, and the United States did not quite have a ‘Muslim problem’ — until Donald Trump and Fox television invented one.

Trump, the Grand Old Party’s potential candidate for 2012 presidency, recently gave an interview to the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN)’s David Brody, in which he said that “[t]here’s something” in the Koran “that teaches some very negative vibe” and also asserted that there is “a Muslim problem” in the United States. Click here

Trump’s charge that there is “a Muslim problem” in America in fact originated in the rabid Bill O’Reilly of the hectoring Fox News. O’Reilly had earlier asked Trump if there was a Muslim problem. And Trump said, “Absolutely, yes”. (While discussing a proposed Islamic centre in New York City during an appearance on The View in October 2010, O’Reilly had asserted that “Muslims killed us on 9/11”.)

All this Islam-bashing from Trump, a religious, church-going tea-pooper: “Well I go as much as I can (on going to church). Always on Christmas. Always on Easter. Always when there’s a major occasion. And during the Sundays. I’m a Sunday church person. I’ll go when I can.”

Trump is an upstart who probably thinks there are new lows American politics could conquer. Therefore, Hadley Freeman writes in the UK’s Guardian: “Trump has never been averse to sacrificing his dignity at the altar of attention, but making himself the birther candidate takes his self-sacrificing nature to a new level.” And George Neumayr in the American Spectator: “The standards of American politics are so low that it is probably not possible for Donald Trump to lower them. Nevertheless, the media is treating him as a grave danger to the integrity of political discourse.”

Trump was once hailed, as Neumayr notes, as somebody who the Republicans could well consider promoting, until he “committed a series of unpardonable sins”: by switching, almost overnight, to the pro-life, anti-abortion side, endorsing opposition to gay marriages, and bashing Islam, etc.

Trump had his “Sarah Palin moment” when he used “the blacks” to describe African-Americans. Ironically, what he actually said was that a lot of “the blacks” supported him. Unfortunately, this is Barack Obama’s America of 2011 and “the blacks” is such a gut-wrenching epithet.

Then again, recently appearing on O’Reilly’s programme, Trump said he thought Obama wasn’t America-born and – guess what – that he could even be Muslim. It doesn’t matter if Obama thinks he is Christian. Or that authorities in Hawaii state – where Obama was ostensibly born — have officially refuted charges that Obama was born outside the US. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, has officially testified that Obama was born there. Click here

Rather than debating bread-and-butter issues at a time when America’s economy and public health care system are still traumatized, American politics seems to be consumed by conspiracy theories and a lack of civility in public discourse.

The problem is so acute that political opinion is now divided between the so-called non-birthers and birthers – denoting a group of people who don’t believe that Obama was born in the US. Trump is a Fox-promoted, self-aggrandizing birther. And birthers also tend to believe Obama is in fact a Muslim.

According to a recent Public Policy Polling survey, birthers now make up the majority of likely GOP voters in 2012. About 51% say they believe Obama was not born in the US; whereas only 28% say they think he was; 21% are unsure. That means nearly 3/4 – 72% – of GOP primary voters either think Obama was not America-born or are unsure. This must be the GOP’s collective opium moment.

To ordinary Muslims pushed to a corner by the events of 9/11, the war on terror initially did look different. It did look like a war on Islam itself. However, Muslims themselves have come a long way. They already realize that radical Islamists pose a grave threat to not just a large number of countries but to Islam’s identity as practised by millions.

Muslims now seldom dismiss any suggestion of domestic radical Islam in America as merely an Islamophobic assault against all American Muslims. They realize that there’s a problem to fix.

On March 10, 2011, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy testified before the Committee on Homeland Security hearing to discuss ‘The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and that Community’s Response”, focusing on the need to fight it. Watch video

But irresponsible public comments, such Trump’s “negative vibe”, strengthen the belief that many in the West still taint the entire Muslim community with the same brush. By portraying Islam as the problem, they help the radicals even more.

Just like Muslims coming to terms with the “bad apples”, non-Muslims in the West must learn not to lump together the vast majority of law-abiding, loyal Muslims and a minority of belly-blowing Islamists.

As for Obama, he isn’t a secret Muslim. And, in any case, a Muslim isn’t a potential traitor, but Trump could be a potential embarrassment, a hazard who could better Bush. Certainly not the Trump card the conservatives think he is.

In Obama’s own words, from his Cairo speech: “American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our Universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch.”

If Trump gets a “negative vibe” from the Koran, then it is the same Koran that one of America’s founding fathers – Thomas Jefferson – kept in his personal library.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Trump is now at the top of the potential republican contenders.

    American elections go through wht is called a “primary” system. Each state ha sits own rules as to who can vote in primary (generally registered party people voting to their pary candidates). A democratic party candidate and a republican party candidate emerge through these primary processes – for all elected offices be congressman/Senator (like MP in India), Governor (like CM india), and state senator (like MLA in India). There is no “list of candidates” managed by a political party. Many fight thru the primary, whoever gets the majority ebcomes the party’s candidate for the elected office.

    Generally, only “hard core” loyalists vote in primary elections. It is like, if India had primary system, generally only RSS members will vote for BJP primary candidates, hardcore maotype communists vote for Marxist primary candidates etc, or people with extreme views only participate in primary elections.

    So what Trump is doing is to appeal to the right wing extremists who will vote in the primary. They are ardent anti-Obamites, ardent anti-immigrants, ardent anti-govt spending on welfare progarms, and ardent-anti Muslims. Zia is right that Fox news had a dominant role in pumping the right wing by perpetuating anti-Obama stuff.

    However, the Muslim cause is not helped by the many terrorist plots uncovered, both here and in other parts of the world. The Manhattan plot, the Oregon plot, the Minnesota Somali Al Shahab, the underwear bomber, the Virginia four, the NY subway plot etc etc capture people’s attention; and people like Trump, Gingrich etc capitalize on that. So the best thing for Muslims is 1) Not do terrorist stuff and 2) denounce strongly if one happens. Not denouncing perpetuates the notion that theer are no moderate Muslims, that all Msulims support terrorism.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Just to clarify – people can register as democratic, republican, or independent .

    Only people who are registered as democrat (or republican) can vote for their respective parties candidates in the primary. A registered democrat should vote for teh democartic candidate. In some states, crossover is allowed, just like some republicans crossed over and bvoted for Hillary Clinton in 2008 Presidential porimaries to deny nomination to Obama.

    However, in general elections (Post primary), anybody can vote for anybody

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  • shan

    First of all lets all agree that OReilly guy is someone who i would like to s h i t upon. i think every sane people
    will do. But Zia should be intelligent enough to appreciate this is MARKET FORCE at play. Reilly makes his living by playing to the TARGET AUDIENCE. In fact Murdoch (THE LAST GOD) had calculated he could not take on the old established networks , the alphabet networks , abc efg or whatever.So he positioned his newschannel at the extreeme right , for he realised there is good money to be made out it. SKY news in UK is also Murdoch’s , BUT IT IS RADICALLY DIFFERENT.
    Next is muslims in europe and usa .Not rocket science is it. USA only let in professionals and white europeans and JEWS. infact couple of yrs ago when there was a fear doing rounds in USA that NON WHITE population ie, blacks , all asians , all portoricans ,mexicans and latinos WILL OVERTAKE WHITES
    So the americans issued visa lottery , who qualifies ONLY WHITE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.
    in case of europe it took in all and sundry from its former colonies to work in shop floor of factories and bus drivers etc , NO WONDER THE MUSLIM EXPERIENCE WILL BE DIFFERENT.
    one massive folly all BROWN people suffer from particularly indians , that this WHITE PREJUDICE is somehow SUPER SELECTIVE , it aint, to whites either you are white christians or you are not
    NO WONDER THE POOR SARDARJI GOT SHOT AND DIED IMMEDIATELY AFTER 9/11 ,to whites PUGDI and BINLADEN HEAD GEAR IS THE SAME THING.
    As for Donald trump ,he fits the bill of a classical WASP,HYPOCRITE TO THE BONE , fooling around with girls his daughter’s age , drugs , you name any sin he is not comfortable with.
    This does not take way the fact THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH ISLAMIST AND BY EXTENSON BY THE SILENT MAJORITY , FOR THEIR SILENCE CAN BE INTERPRETED AS THEIR APPROVAL

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    shan – trump does not smoke, drink, or take drugs

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  • shan

    @binoy this is donald trump the church goer family man
    he twice-divorced Trump reflects on his marriage to first wife Ivana in Surviving at the Top, published in 1990, expressing regret that he didn’t divorce sooner. “Why had I hung in there so long when things were just not what they should have been?” he asked. “It’s very uncharacteristic of me to act that way; I’m not one to let problems fester.” Trump also admitted to briefly considering an “open marriage” arrangement, before deciding it was too “tawdry.”
    The one who is considering OPEN MARRIAGE , DRUGS SHOULD NOT BE TOO FAR

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    all of that is true — but the man does not drink, smoke, or use drugs.

    also he does not shake hands with anybody…he has germ phobia

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  • http://- Rajeev

    A bright kid exclaimed few days back…’PRESIDENT TRUMP’ sounds so wrong…
    I totally agreed with her.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, so are you in teaching.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    No, I am not cut out for that kind of job but I do like to listen to views of kids because they don’t try to sound politically correct.

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  • raj

    He is only playing politics indian styles
    we run the biggest democracy in the world, with the help of castism religion and divide he is just doing the same, and hope he will win too like all others netas win holding it

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  • tajender

    mr hegde thank u for nice exposing american rightist,kicking on those .who are already to win election like indian incompetent rightists,sendind you an article by a firefighter,

    First Responder – “We Were Nuked on 9-11″
    April 22, 2011

    In November, the heat from the underground fires were melting fireman’s boots. My feet were hot as I walked across the rubble.

    by “Joey Peeps”
    (for henrymakow.com)

    I laugh when all these firemen and cops are portrayed as heroes for responding to 9/11.

    Consider me the anti-hero. I arrived at the WTC on the second week and I worked at the WTC and landfill until November. I made the best of it and did what I had to do.

    As an Italian American cop from Brooklyn I did my job-nothing more. I was out for me. Throughout my career I made arrests and I was never in trouble yet I knew in the back of my mind that the job would screw me. It did.

    I am now sick like thousands of other first responders. The difference is that I’m not bellyaching about what an injustice was dealt to me. Perhaps it is karma.

    It is funny how the powers-that-be hide the truth right under your nose, in plain sight. In the early 40s the “Manhattan Project” was started. Years later we all knew about the devastation of the first A-bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. It turns out that no one could fathom that the government would build an Atom bomb right in downtown Manhattan.

    Surely the Manhattan Project had to be in some far off, secretive place like Hanford,Washington, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, or Los Alamos, New Mexico . Well, the uranium and other elements were stored near Columbia University, West 20th Street and the West Side Highway, and in the Woolworth Building located at 233 Broadway.

    We referred to the World Trade Center as being “Ground Zero.”

    Hmm….Remember I said “hiding in plain sight.” “Ground zero” began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The term ‘ground zero’ was be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or ‘air zero.’

    Ground Zero was the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test at Trinity Site.

    MY EXPERIENCE AT GROUND ZERO

    I found it strange that the Trade Center which was 110 floors was reduced to approximately six stories of tangled steel girders. Where did all the materials go? Where were all the bodies? Where were all the porcelain bathroom fixtures? Dustified? Why was sand brought in by the truckload and old dirt taken away?

    In November, the heat from the underground fires were melting firemen’s boots. My feet were hot as I walked across the rubble. Steam rose up from below as excavators removed debris. How do you have fires that continually burned at 2000 degrees, several stories below the debris in the absence of oxygen?

    Christie Whitman of the EPA under orders from the White House stated the air was safe to breathe. Thousands of first responders are now sick as well as are downtown residents. Where is the EPA’s air sampling report for radiation? Why was it never made public?

    Why were the steel girders quickly brought to the Staten Island Landfill and sold without an investigation?. Should not a forensic investigation have been conducted of the steel and debris?

    I was also a first responder to the WTC bombing in 1993. Former NYPD Chief of Department, Louis Anemone listed WTC Building 7 as a target for a second terrorist attack. Against both Anemone’s and former Police Commissioner, Howard Safir’s recommendations, Mayor Guiliani placed the NYPD Emergency Center in Building 7.

    He cited “walking distance” as a factor for placing the emergency command within walking distance of City Hall. Why would any one in their right mind make their Emergency Center at the same location that was already hit?

    First responders are contracting cancers at an unprecedented rate compared to the public at large. Of interest many are rare blood cancers such as multiple myelomas, lymphomas, leukemia, esophageal, lung, gastric and kidney cancers.

    First responders report developing shortness of breathe, the infamous “WTC Cough” now termed Reactive Airway Disease (RADS), Chronic Sinusitis, GERD, esophagitis, and severe sleep problems such as Severe Obstructive Sleep Apnea, skin disorders, memory problems, depression, cognitive disorders, endocrine disorders, and general muscle pain deemed fibromyalgia. Interesting enough Gulf War veterans report experiencing severe headaches,joint pain, diarrhea,dizziness, memory problems, fatigue and skin rashes in addition to breathing and similar gastric problems that mimic 9/11 illness.

    The symptoms are similar to that of the atomic bomb survivors. Many, including retired US Army Major Doug Rokkee, PhD., a DU expert, now believe that depleted uranium (DU) from munitions is the cause of Gulf War Illness. Government investigator’s hint of the possibility that the burning fires filled with toxic oil laden smoke and the multitude of immunizations may have been the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Likewise 9/11 cancers were supposedly caused from benzene from the jet fuel from the burning planes, and the respiratory and gastric problems resulted from a caustic toxic brew of pulverized silica, cement dust, and airborne asbestos among other chemicals.

    CONCLUSION

    The events of 9/11 were orchestrated by members of our government. There are many examples of False Flag attacks. There were many motives and both the government and private entities profited as detailed previously.

    It is becoming apparent that the government put out the official story which for a multitude of reasons does not stand up to scrutiny. For those non-believers the 9/11 Truth Movement was established which ushered in the theory of “controlled implosion.” Thermite was found. Then the DEW theory of “no planes” and directed energy weapons were espoused by Dr. Judy Woods.

    I saw plane remains so I don’t buy the “no plane theory.” I wonder why out of four planes no black boxes were recovered from the planes. It does not make sense.

    Most people gave up by this time, but the more I looked at “dustification” I added up the evidence: trucks of sand being brought in, high heat melting firemen’s boots, the disintegration of steel, porcelain fixtures and bodies, and the relation of 9/11 illness to Gulf War Syndrome and atomic attack symptoms.There is only one feasible answer.

    The World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition that involved thermite and small, possibly suitcase nuclear weapons. The WTC really is “Ground Zero,” the site of an atomic blast.

    The high heat fires were evidence of a nuclear “China Syndrome.”Sand and copious amounts of water were used for radiation containment and the contaminated sand and structural steel girders were quickly carted off and disposed off.

    The powers-that-be want to hide this fact because the American people will not stand for the fact that an American city was nuked. Many more first responders and Manhattan residents will be added to the 9-11 death toll in the years ahead.

    Related- Because First Responders know the truth?

    First Responders to be Screened as “Terrorists” Before They Get Benefits

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    tajender Reply:

    kicking on those .who are already down to win election like indian incompetent rightists,sendindg you an article by a firefighter,

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  • shan

    @Tejender , is it unreasonable to call you an A S S H O L E. The whole world saw it in TV the planes crashing into WTC , IF NOT ANYTHING YOU ARE INSULTING THE fabulous thirteen(according to islamist nuts)
    all those Mohammad Atta and all the saudis FROM YOUR QUOM.

    WOULD ZIA AND THE SILENT MAJORITY SPEAK UP PLEASE , OR WE TO CONCLUDE THEY GO WITH TEJENDER’S FALSEHOOD OR TAQUIYA.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Shan-

    Ram Avtar is reborn as Tejender.. He is nuts all the way; and sscrewing up the cause of Muslims

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi and Ram Autar are firm believer of this conspiracy theory so no point rebutting these Internet Jehadis.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Trump is an unscrupulous guy taking advantage of people’s fear – economic, national security, cultural etc etc..

    The re is a real fear of Islamic terrorism; and Trump is taking advantage of this.,. So, unless Muslims stop terrorist activities, people like Trump will exploit this. All the right wing parties all across the Western world are doing this, successfully to win elections and to take the countries further right.

    new York Times ran an extensive three pager on Guntanamo terrorists. Just an excerpt::

    “Saifulla Paricha, an American of Pakistani origin, is accused of offering his business to help Al Queda to smuggle weapons into the United States. Detainee attended the New York institute of technology until 1973. He owns a travel business. He met Usma Bin Laden in 1999 and 2000 to discuss promoting UBL and his message to the world.”

    As long as global islamic terrorism continues, and as long as rich/poor/educated/uneducated Muslims commit the jehadist acts, Muslims will be hated and feared, and politicians like Trump will have a field day leveraging these.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Trump is basically an A-Hole…He is basically glorified form of Laloo.

    shan Reply:

    @Binoy, The problem is you will be clubbed together with the ones which you hate most , or in other words , this gives the “whites” an execuse to vent their prejudice against NON WHITES . when you walk down the subway , you will be shouted at as OSAMA, and their lies the tragedy.

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    well, not really – beard and turban is a no-no. but not the run after non-whites.
    when economy goes down anything possible — scaprgoating will start , like the current rage against illegal immigrationr

    shan Reply:

    @Binoy Hegde , SPARE A THOUGHT FOR HE HE BALWINDER SANDHU IN NEWYORK SUBWAY.

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Also, Shan, there are two Indian born governors (unfortiunately both are “tea party” folks). 12 Indians contested for house seats last year; but sinec it was abad year for democrats , none won.

    In general America accepts success, achievement etc whoever produces it. The chief odf MAster Card is a trurban wearing Ajay Pal Banga ; but nobody questions his turban or accent –he just delivers.

    Obamas ascendency to presidency should open up the door for a future Indian american for presidency. MAny youngsters are in government and politics , so you can see one contesting in the enxt ten years. Assuming Nicky HAaley does a good job in South CArolina, she is a potential republican nominee of the futrure (Bobby Jindal will not make it). Preetam Baara , the district attorney of Manhattan is a potential one.

    America, with all its faults, have stuck to the notion that it is a land of immigrants, although successive waves have been disctriminated against in their first wave. It happens..

    shan Reply:

    @Binoy Hegde , As you know by now I live in uk, so I am aware of the goings on in USA.
    the REDNECKS hasn’t disappeared. The Vice chairman of TORY(conservative) party is a pakistani lady sayeeda something.This same party’s PM Cameron doesn,t miss a chance to heap all the blame for britains ills on immigrants . There are massive numbers of indians in UK in very high position , but when it comes to voting it is the REDNECKS who decides the agenda. Top of the list is MITTAL , and there are several academics , but come election only one agenda IMMIGRATION and how british culture is polluted by alien culture and imported food habits.

    tajender Reply:

    mr hegde 99%of muslims want peace if there are few bad guys police should take action
    as per american law.they are not doing evil acts after telling muslims or with permission of muslim.muslim society completelly boycot them.

    tajender Reply:

    mr hegde oaklahama bomber was not muslim.there are bddys in every community.

    tajender Reply:

    i am discussing an issue.750 top scientists and intellectuals of america has signed that sept 11 was inside job.they were not muslims.

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    tajender Reply:

    shan as per record mohd atta took only 6 month training to fly light aircraft.firefighters reached to site in 10-15 minutes where are the dead bodies of passengers.sterel don not melt in open air.
    why there was no jew in the building 5000plus were working there.instead of abusing better to concetrate on argument.better try to convince than defeat.

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    shan Reply:

    @Tejender , science is haram to islam so difficult to convince.Imagine a boeing plane fuselage filled with 1000000litre of kerosene catches fire , IMAGINE YOURSELF IN IT YOU WILL GET THE ANSWER.

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    tajender Reply:

    what we were seeing was smoke.not flames.flames dont melt anything.building has 200million tons of steel.can not melt steel in open air.check any of engineer friend.

    tajender Reply:

    smoke do not melt any thing.

    tajender Reply:

    The whole world saw it in TV the planes crashing into WTC , IF NOT ANYTHING YOU ARE INSULTING

    i dont deny this but where is black box and bodies of passangers.building fell in 57 minutes.how.why media is almost hiding building 10 which was demolished in the same manner.

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  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    Genesis of an Internet Hindu

    In a paichida street in Jabalpur lived a woman, though she had been married for a while, the marriage had remained issue less. All manner of Jadu & Tona, and visitations to dargahs had failed to result in any pregnancy. When all hope had nearly gone, and the in-laws were considering castigating the bhanj out of their family home, some one introduced the family to a walrus moustachioed young man, who said that he knew of a new fertility technique, which would guarantee a pregnancy.

    The desperate family was willing to try any thing, considering that everything previously tried had failed. The young man wrote some detailed instructions and left them with the family. On the auspicious day, when Rahu was entering the house of Ketu, the infertile woman was taken to a discrete location, where a rope bed – propped up at the head-end – waited for her. She was made to lie there with her legs wide spread, in a receiving position.

    All the relatives were waiting patiently when they started to hear a strange, yet familiar, sound. At first everybody thought some children outside were playing with coconut shells, until one of them said, “it sounds like the opening of, many a songs composed by O.P. Nayyar, just like – Banda parvar dham lo jigar, ban ke payar phir aaya hoon”. He had hardly finished singing the song when to every one’s amazement a magnificent stallion, not dissimilar to the one Shiva Ji – the Maratha strong man himself once rode. A quick glance at the nether regions of the beast left no one in any doubt, as to what role the beast was expected perform in this fertility ritual. Before any one was able to say, hang on a cotton picking second, the beast had lifted his front legs and the conjugal congress was completed.

    Exactly 342 days later, after a hard labour, a boy was born. Outwardly, the boy looked like any other boy does so every body rejoiced. Laddoos were distributed, and every one was happy. On the third day people noticed that all was not quite right with the boy. He was rushed into a hospital, where a nice Doctor, decided to examine the boy with a brand new Neutrino Firing Gun that he had recently imported from Germany.

    The examination complete, the Doctor gathered the family to share the results with them. He started by saying, that this is the strangest case he had ever come across. The boy is unique indeed. It seems that some of his internal organs are similar to those found in a Mule. Other strange thing is that instead of having a small bowel and a large bowel the boy seems to have two large bowels. One attached to the ******, as normal, and the other one is attached to his mouth. That means the boy can defecate from both ends.

    But how will the boy eat, said one distraught relative. The kind Doctor looked skywards for inspiration and said, free of cost, he could instantly attach a RSS feed straight to the boys navel. That way a lot of pre-digested, if mildly toxic, nutrition will go straight inside and then a short time later come out as shite from both ends.

    As the happy family was about to leave, the Doctor said, “Oh one more thing, the boy has a very dense brain, not even a Neutrino can pass through it, and Neutrinos are known to pass through a light year of LEAD.

    Delighted that free treatment had solved the boy’s problems they started to think about what name should they give to this boy.

    Rajeev, said the overjoyed mother, Rajeev it is, said the rest of the family.

    _____________________________________________________________________________

    This C- exercise in creative writing comes to you from: Pakistani Ravi, ISI Agent, Jihadi, Terrorist Material, Shan’s Kuttar, Plonker, etc. etc.

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    shan Reply:

    It only makes me say “what the F is this ISI(who has been according to news out today , clubbed together with Alquaida and LeT by the CIA) trying to say.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “This C- exercise in creative writing comes to you from: Pakistani Ravi, ISI Agent, Jihadi, Terrorist Material, Shan’s Kuttar, Plonker, etc. etc.”

    How about adding ‘Osama lover’ to this description? Take this challenge..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    By the way, Ravi’s favorite terrorists ISI are being branded as international terrorist by many US officials.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Well, it looks like the Chief of Staff for US Defence had enough of the ISIs double (or triple?) dealings.

    Just imagine where will Pakistan be (bombed to middle ages as a former secretary of USA mentioned after 9/11). No wonder why many countries, including Iran, are racing for the bomb. It is the real TRUMP!

    I hope US brain is working on taking out the Pak nuclear stuff. World peace requires that

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    tajender Reply:

    Ravi’s favorite terrorists ISI are being branded as international terrorist by many US officials

    so the rss

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Benoy, I thought Bobby Jindal was a serious contender for US presidency in the future, esp after his conversion to Christianity. In fact, India is already kind of claiming him as one of their own

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    No, Bobby Jindall is gone after this term.

    Republicans selected him to give response to President Obama’s first state of the union speech. It was a pathetic one, ridiculed by left and right. he has not recovered from that. Now he is not considered as anything; not even invited to republican think tank meetings.

    Nikki Hale has an opportunity; she seems to have the interpersonal skills and have the “qualities” neeeded by todays extreme right wing Republicans. And republicans can use her to change the image of republicans as “party of middle age white republican man”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Are you kidding? No Indian can ever be president of US. New rule is-
    1. You have to be WHite or Black
    2. Should be a believing chrirstian?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    By the way Bobby Jindal is pathetic to say the least. I watched one of his interview, when asked about his Indian heritage, he quickly distanced himself from anything India… He is basically an opportunity who became BOBBY from PIYUSH based on reality of american politics.

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    tajender Reply:

    Indian heritage, he quickly distanced himself from anything India
    because he is punjabi

  • shan

    @Rajeev, That is same with Indians every where in GORALAND but never in AFRICA OR WEST INDIES, acutely seen with sikhs and punjabis and anybody who has been able to climb the ladder and able to ub shoulders.This Nicky mare is a SARDARNI to start with.

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  • tajender

    Tejender , science is haram to islam so difficult to convince

    shan,tell me how a allumunium bodied plane can pierce 18inch concrete wall of pentagon ,a building constantly protected by 62 best fighters of the world,and enter the building kill 40 people and disapear with bodies of passenger ,though sprayed by fire extinguishers within minutes.how this passenger jet dogded these 62 fighters.

    go through the huge sale of airlines shares in stock market on 10th september.
    steel melts only in induction furnace.

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    shan Reply:

    @tejender, there is a thing called MOMEMTUM which mass multiplied by velocity. What is the mass of a boeing 747 with 200 people , and it has to travel 550miles per hr to be afloat on air. Work out.
    And that amount of kerosene , how much heat does it produce, also there was an engineering explanation of the nature of collapse , it did not simply melt , it is more crumbled. THE STEEL WAS OF HIGHEST QUALITY AND WAS SOLD TO INDIA , AND INDIANS WERE OVERWHELMED BY THE QUALITY OF THE STEEL

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    tajender Reply:

    THE STEEL WAS OF HIGHEST QUALITY AND WAS SOLD TO INDIA , AND INDIANS WERE OVERWHELMED BY THE QUALITY OF THE STEEL
    why it was sold in hurry without being tested like godhra compartment.this nuclear waste was brought to india fot indians to die.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    BULL$HIT…You are just making up like a typical muslims. No wonder you guys are hated for this attitude.

  • shan

    guys have you noticed that zia has not come to this blog to refute tejender unequivocally. It is not as if zia does not step in. he did only couple of blogs ago. Are we to conclude that our worst fears are turming out to be true.

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    tajender Reply:

    i will wel come his refutation.now tell me about pentagon.
    tell me not even a single jew died in wtc while 5000 plus work daily.have u ever heard any crash where bodies gets melted.especially when fire fighters reach to site in moments.girders under 30th floors were 40centimeter thick.u know 150 firefighters die.why.usually when plane hit concrete its wings and tail get seprated.why this did not happen.hit at pentagon was horizental
    it means plane walked and hit like car.how can it penetrate so easily.keroses oil cannot take temperature so high.
    also note that this complex was purchased by a australian jew real state builder for 3.8 billion and insured for 7.1 billion only few months back.somebody was benefitting 3.2 billion with this act.may be trump was one.he was bankcrupt till 2000 suddenly became rich again.how.he too is jew of east european origin hiding under some unknown evangical church.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    These muslims live in la-la land and keep on spinning lies after lies.
    The most laughable thing they keep repeating like parrots is that not a single jew died during 9/11 attack. This is a big lie. There were lot of jews killed and these devils should go and look up the names of people who were killed.

    Their new age prophet Osama was seen on a video owning up 9/11 attacks and the pakistani Khalid Mohd. Sehikh confessed that he masterminded attack but these Piddu muslims prefer to live in denial.

    You should ignore these lunatics…Their mantra is very simple..we muslims innocent and all other devils.

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    tajender Reply:

    trainer of ossama army was cia agent..now living in us.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Osama showed the true characters of muslims when he attacked his past-master US. You guys are traitors by nature.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Zia was denied US visa for what???? Exactly for this kind of behavior.

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  • tajender

    there was no jew in death list.can confirm.actually 6 israeli boys were caught dancing while towers were falling.they were caught but released.nearly all top officers of interior mininstry had dual nationality.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pl. post a link showing names and also video of jews dancing.

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    tajender Reply:

    i will

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    Rajeev Reply:

    C’mon…provide the link fast…Are you searching for proof on Al-Qaeda site.

    tajender Reply:

    matter is old.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Now that matter is old, you are posting propaganda…Do you guys have any shame?

    Post the link else apologize and scoot from here..

  • Binoy Hegde

    how the fru…. Pakistanis screw up the world….Father and son willingly participating in terrorism for teh gloory of Allah — ooooo also the blessed daughter of Pakistan Dr Aifa the susten in law of Kalid Sheikh ..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/world/guantanamo-files-portrait-of-push-for-post-september-11-attacks.html

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    tajender Reply:

    6 millionis a big lie.From History & Scriptural Origins of the Six Million Number;

    [Quote 1] Jewish prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million Jews must “vanish” before the state of Israel can be formed. “You shall return minus 6 million.” That’s why Tom Segev, an Israeli historian, declared that the “6 million” is an attempt to transform the Holocaust story into state religion. Those six million, according to prophecy, had to disappear in “burning ovens”, which the judicial version of the Holocaust now authenticates. As a matter of fact, Robert B. Goldmann writes: “. . . without the Holocaust, there would be no Jewish State.” A simple consequence: Given six million Jews gassed at Auschwitz who ended up in the “burning ovens” (the Greek word holocaust means burned offerings), therefore, the prophecies have now been “fulfilled” and Israel can become a “legitimate state”. –Unknown
    [Quote 2] Regarding the ’six million’ number you should know the following: In the Hebrew text of the Torah prophesies, one can read “you shall return”. In the text the letter “V” or “VAU” is absent, as Hebrew does not have any numbers; the letter V stands for the number 6. Ben Weintraub, a religious scientist, learned from rabbis that the meaning of the missing letter means the number is ‘6 million’. The prophesy then reads: You will return, but with 6 million less. See Ben Weintraub: “The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism”, Cosmo Publishing, Washington 1995, page 3. The missing 6 million must be so before the Jews can return to the Promised Land. Jahweh sees this as a cleaning of the souls of the sinful people. The Jews must, on the return to the Promised Land, be clean — the cleaning shall be done in burning stokes. –A Correspondent
    A few examples for your consideration;

    1900-
    Jewish leader lets slip the Zionist Holohoax scheme

    JUNE 11, 1900 – NEW YORK TIMES – page 7 – Rabbi Wise’s Address
    “There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Didn’t you call jews your brothers?

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  • tajender

    they are zoinists not jews.land grabbers

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Whose land have they grabbed? Now don’t tell me MUSLIM land as land keeps changing hands in history. The land of Pakistan, Persia, Mesopotamia etc. belonged to non-muslims for ages but was captured by muslims. Now if non-muslims are re-taking their land, why are you so upset.

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    tajender Reply:

    The land of Pakistan, Persia, Mesopotamia etc. belonged to non-muslims

    local population change the religion.population did not change.it was property of locals.whether they read quran of bible.
    it was never a hindu land as they came from outside.in case of isreal land belong to semitic muslim christian and jews ,not east european ashknazi.they are idiots they will out.first they wanted to occupy UGANDA and rob the natural wealth of blacks.that was more easy.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Not an inch of land belongs to muslims…They are all invaders and their slaves.. You will be kicked back to Saudi in few decades…

    Rajeev Reply:

    If it was never a hindu land then all the land under illegal muslim occupation too does not belong to muslims. Even the land on which ugly cube Kaaba stands belongs to us.

  • shan

    ervery bit of islam is like cheating in a exam hall , and I am talking about the things straight lifted from jewish religion. There is no way of knowing what was there in preprophet arabia for our prophet had erased it from living memory consigning it as jahilia. Take circumcision, skull cap, reading left to right .Would some bloggers enlighten me why they didn’t copy the treatment of women from jewish religion. As you know women have much high standing in jewish religion. Like you are jew only if your mother is jew (highly intelligent, if you think about it), you cannot have sex during her periods , there is talaq , there is a thing called GET , but that is only after Rabbi sanctions it. I would be interested to know from zia why this departure. ALSO JEWS ALWAYS USED TO EDUCATE THEIR GIRLS IN PREFERENCE TO BOYS, THE THINKING BEING AN UNEDUCATED MOTHER WILL FOSTER UNEDUCATED CHILDREN

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    tajender Reply:

    isreal is the only country which runs 6 pornographic channels 24 hrs a day..some time teacher fk their student in classroom.rabbis are very bad character guys. torah is full of pornography.
    one million visit isreal per month to enjoy their brothel.east european girls are brought through cheating by luring them for good job and thrown in prostitution ring.they are choosen people others are like cattle.they study as they had no land.ieven are no more mosquito for them,
    A PORTION OF A SPEECH MADE IN KNESSET BY MENACHEN BEGIN,

    “Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine goods on this planet. We are as different from inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be reuled by our leader with a rod of Iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “isreal is the only country which runs 6 pornographic channels 24 hrs a day..some time teacher fk their student in classroom.rabbis are very bad character guys. torah is full of pornography.”.

    Pl. provide a link.

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    tajender Reply:

    just read torah u will know everything.it is full of dirty language,more than ur literature.available on internet

    tajender Reply:

    go to israeli embassy check this fact.it is only jews who run nearly all the brothel and casino of the world.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Isn’t Quran lifted from Torah and Bible? The kind of BS Quran has is unparallel.

  • Shoeb K

    Trump is leveraging the hidden fear, anger, may be loathing of some Americans against Muslims after the 9/11.

    Unfortunately, it isan action/reaction scenario.

    I have seen the detrioration as a frequent traveler to US/Europe. Attitudes have changed from warm to cold. And terrorism is the cause. Westerners will revert back to their smiling acceptance once terrorism subsides – the trend seems to be in that direction.

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    shan Reply:

    Absolutely true , ISLAM HAS BIG LEVERAGE THAT IS OIL .

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    tajender Reply:

    this leaverage is feeding half india.this is gift of god to indian and other countries.banias would have stolen the wealth brhmnst would have ignited war in the neighbouring countries with this leaverage.

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  • Dr Mishra

    I have a lot of Pakistani and Arab doctor friends here in UK. We get along very well. but to a man they believe that 911 is an insider CIA, Mossad etc job. So I assumed it is muslim denial.
    A bit like Batla house encounter or Karkare,s death.
    Interestingly, one of my CLOSE friends is a Syrian doctor, married to a white christian lady. HE TOO BELIEVES the same loony theory. Thus the denial is not only religious, it is also cultural.
    Abit like Indian muslims who hold 2 identities.
    A bit like the Iraqi christian woman interviewd by BBC just after a bomb attack on a church in Iraq. She condemned the terrorists, but then shouted- this is ultimately the fault of the biggest terrorist on earth- G Bush.’
    When the journalist showed surprise, she said- I am a christian, but an Iraqui first.

    For some reason, I remember her all the time. Multiple identities, so confusing. As Aatish Taseer said (speaking of his Pak father)- ‘my father had the violence of a pure faith- while I, of mixed sikh-pak lineage am more plural. The world is better because of hybrids like us !!’

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    tajender Reply:

    man they believe that 911 is an insider CIA, Mossad etc j

    doctor problem with u people is u take anything anti-muslim as truth.5000 jews were pemanent employees in wtc.how come they all are alive.batala house also ,the man got 5 bullets in the head.
    during saddam christian were fully protected only after arrival of zoinists all these evil things are happening.it took them 3 years to ignite shia sunni war.unity was so strong.
    in other u were supporting american israeli effort to knock out pak nuclear installations.idiot muslims supported zoinists to demolish soviet union.see their end.THEY ARE AFTER OUR NUCLEAR INSTALLATIONS ALSO.once they enter india they will cut india into pieces.india is already divided society.they are enemy of humanity and human being.just after money.
    no ned of mixture or mixed identity.china kicked these zoinist out long ago.they are better.now they into muslim tukermenistan.they created havoc.it will criminal and most unpatriotic act jion hand with evil and see the destruction of india.
    india pakistan iran can be good alliance against china.who can really threaten us.

    zhoot ki tahni kabhi phalti nahin

    nav kagaz kee kabhio chalti nahin.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You surely are into drugs.

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    It has to be.. He is smoking something real good!

    tajender Reply:

    dont talk of religion or smoking drugs.awnser if u have any.in the same way they used afghans to finish soviet union.now they are killing them.they want every country to be size dubai.it is only a matter of time.they are financier of all divisive movements in india.

    tajender Reply:

    Interestingly, one of my CLOSE friends is a Syrian doctor, married to a white christian lady. HE TOO BELIEVES the same loony theory

    doctor this iws trurth.750 top intellectuals have confirmed this through signed letter.
    wht u believe this.kindly tell me.tumhe lucknow kee kasam.

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    tajender Reply:

    tumhe lucknow kee kasam

    sorry ,aapko lucknow kee kasam.

    Ashish Reply:

    Dear Tajender,
    it has been a really tough day at work and elsewhere; so I turned to this blog for amusement and upliftment and for sure, you did not disappoint.
    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
    Just one question; we all know your other name is Ram Autar. What are you in reality? A film-script writer for Kader Khan/ Mithun-da movies?
    Aap cheez bade hain mast mast…

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Tajender- ramavtar, Lucknow ki kasm naa dilayen. Hum kati patanh hain.
    All I will say is that there was no need for USA in 2001 to attack itself thus

    Dr Mishra Reply:

    sorry- hum kati patang hain

    tajender Reply:

    hum chote saand hai,

    lekin phir bhi,
    hum hain fidae lucknow
    aur lucknow hum par fida

    tajender Reply:

    it was needed to sell iraq and afghan wars to americans.attack was not american ,it was zoinist attack.they hardly americans.thanks for awnsering.

    tajender Reply:

    thanks for comparing me with big people i am small man.not as famous or big like kader.

    can u awnser my enquiry,why none of the 5000 jews working in wtc tower died.india should be the leader of pakistan lbangladesh afghanistan and iran against china.the only country who can challenge us.neighbours can not be changeed.
    my proposal loks jokey but it is natural alliance.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, talking about tough day , talk to me. It;s not a day its everyday.One false move you are hauled in front of General medical council. The best way to relax in UK is to have a steam bath ,in India it ought to be swimming . Also tension relaxation exercise. here is how it is done .
    lie flat on your back in a dimly lit room .Take a deep breath, hold it , start counting slowly one to six.
    Then relese the breath through your pursed lips slowly little by little . start again.
    After six times , then just lie flat(this is essentially sob(dead) asaan.) Just breathe gently , but consciously feel the movemenent of your abdomen during exhalation. You will see after five minutes pulse rate and respiraion will slow down . Do it for half an hour .Stress is guaranteed to be alleviated ,only to come back next day , then that is to do with modern day living.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan,
    reading Tajender has the same effect on me; only faster. I laugh; and that relaxes me.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Mo-Autar,
    Pl. provide links to prove that not a single Jew died in 9/11 attacks and it was an inside jobs.

    You said the matter is old but it does not mean that you can post any propaganda..Post the proof..else buzz off..

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    tajender Reply:

    chech with american embassy.this was discussed lot in papers 6-7 years `back.how a building with 200 million ton steel can fell in less than an hour.how dead bodies melted when water spray was on.especially at pentagon.i cannot convince u against ur wishes.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Why don’t you post the link and educate all of us on this 9/11 conspiracy?

    As far as we ignorant kafirs are concerned, we all saw Osama (your new age prophet) owning up the attack, expressing happiness that even SLAVES i.e. non-arab muslims too were happy.

    Then another pakistani Khalid Sheikh Mohd. claimed that he was the brain behind 9/11.

    Can you explain if it was a conspiracy in the eyes of you muslims, why did pakistan agree to fight taliban and al-qaeda on behalf of west? Why did Saudis and all muslim countries line up behind US to save their sorry a$$ from Al-Qaeda?

    All that you have posted is imagination of good-for-nothing muslims sitting in mosque killing time and coming up with this nonsense. You guys are always in denial. The fact is that you people are threat to world peace right now and have made life hell for non-muslims. Why don’t you guys leave us alone and let us live in peace? You can all go back to your fantasy muslim lands where you will have all the rights and power to exterminate minorities…

    Post a link else apologize for your nonsense.

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    tajender Reply:

    Then another pakistani Khalid Sheikh Mohd. claimed that he was the brain behind 9/11

    khalid sheikh mohammed has agreed after 200 torturing water boarding sessions.he prefer to die than aceept this torture.
    chief trainer of ossama was cia agent.after sept 11 he ran away to america nad staying there.he was not pakistani

    Can you explain if it was a conspiracy in the eyes of you muslims, why did pakistan agree to fight taliban and al-qaeda on behalf of west? Why did Saudis and all muslim countries line up behind US to save their sorry a$$ from Al-Qaeda?

    everybody hate taliban as they are hurting muslims moreover dictators only aim is to save their position.democratic turkey refused.al qaeeda is political organization not religious.basically they are against saudi kings.
    4.5 million orphans are begging on the streets of iraq after invasion.

    you will have all the rights and power to exterminate minorities

    this is only ur faith away from truth.this is absolute rss lie.spreaded by brhmnst.things are other way around.

    my question is how come 5000 plus jews working in wtc toweres were not there at the time of attack.u have the list.if not take from internet.go israeli embassy tell them to mark the jewish names.u also can identify.

    ossama is not our prophet.he is prophet of zoinists to whom he is getting through wars.
    ossama too is not innocent he was planning but mossad outsmart them.

    tell me how building wit 200 million tons of steel can fell in 57 minutes when hundreds of firefighter were extinguishing the fire.how allumunium bodied plane penetrated 18inch thick pentagon concrete walls and disappeared alongwith passengers.killing 450 member of pentagon staff.
    in shamshan ghats body of nrmal indian takes 36 hrs to melt.for jansanghis and punjabis
    time require is 48-96 hrs.

    tajender Reply:

    rajiv go u tube and type.NEW PROOF 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

    another one is TOTAL PROOF THAT BOMBS WERE PLANTED.

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    tajender Reply:

    rajiv go u tube and type.NEW PROOF 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

    another one is TOTAL PROOF THAT BOMBS WERE PLANTED.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I won’t google such nonsense…
    It is you who is spinning these stories so onus is on you to provide the links..
    Now don’t run away like a coward…

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    tajender Reply:

    IF ABOVE IS NON SENSE.THEN GO TO HELL.

  • Manoj

    Zia, you disappoint. I come to read your blogs every now and then to see if you have improved upon and actually started working on taking Phobia out of Islamophobia but every time i am disappointed. May be you have a totally different point of view where you believe that either discussing, exposing or belittling what are obviously half witted , jingoistic remarks of celebrities (and i mean celebrities, not leaders of any stature or track record) you just stoke the fire and the now getting impossible to tolerate concept of misunderstood Muslims and Islam. Any reform or change of idea begins with self critic, acceptance and then action for improvement. Why do we not see stories of modern young Indians who happens to be Muslims and are role models for any young man or woman in India, and i do not mean Pathans, Kaif and Khans from Cricket and Sania from tennis et al, no i mean the lakhs of engineers , doctors , businessmen that we have and should be proud of. You need to tell the tales of those Indians who see the challenges and have met them and have hence not receded to be a jingoist Islamist. You will not make me less afraid of Islamic terrorists by saying – oh look what he says, look there is so much of injustice and look there is so much of hate, for let me tell you there is hate on both sides and i think that is the reason you write and we read to understand why this hate is there, whether it has any real reasons and if this is un avoidable, i want you to answer me.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Mo-Autar called Jews brothers of muslims. Then he called muslims refined jews..then he denied holocaust…then he abused jews talking about sex etc….then he called torah pornographic…

    So by all this can we assume-
    1. Muslims being refined jews are like jews in their behavior (as described by MO)
    2. As Quran is inspired by Torah and according to Mo-Autar, Torah is pornographic, can we deduce that Quran too is pornographic.

    I have never seen such honesty from a muslims. Finally someone has spoken truth.

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    tajender Reply:

    holy quran is revealed.not taken anything from anywhere.but many of instructions are very similar.torah has lot of vulgarity holy quran no..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Revealed from the arse of Mohammad…Are you telling me ‘not eating pork’ and ‘Halal’ are original Quranic concepts? Quran is full of vulgarity which is very appealing to deranged minds like you. On one hand you call jews your brother and then on other you trash Torah. You forget by doing so you also dismiss Abraham, Moses and other prophets who were JEWISH.

    Quran is an arabic text with no original ideas of its own and was a copy-paste job from other semitic text.

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    tajender Reply:

    judaism was revealed islam is improvement on their basic ideas.many toughts like interest banking has come from there but islam applied these ideas.neverthless we all are same ibrahimic family.
    torah is quite vulgar like ur and roman literature.but holy quran rejected those thoughts and language.
    jews are our cousins i am not against them.
    u are maniac narrowminded stupid c-grade reactionary.
    u deserve lunatic centre.believe me.

    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev/tejender , draw your conclusions
    Book 38, Number 4434:

    Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

    A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

    They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

    He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi’(No. 4431).

    shan Reply:

    @Tejender , this is to kick the taquiya out of your arse.
    It is possible that some who wish to believe that 9/11 was an Israeli
    conspiracy will not accept all of the reference sources listed above.
    If that is the case, the plainest evidence that many Jews died in the
    World Trade Center is the list of the names of the dead:

    “How many Jews actually died in the world Trade Center attacks is not
    known with any precision. The official New York City ‘Missing Persons
    List’ does not categorize victims by their religion or nationality.
    But ask families with names like Adler, Aron, Berger, Bernstein,
    Cohen, Eichler, Eisenberg, Feinberg, Friedlander, Goldstein,
    Greenstein, Horwitz, Jablonski, Kestenbaum, Kirchbaum, Kleinberg,
    Levi, Levine, Mayer, Rosenberg, Rosenblum, Rosenthal, Sachs,
    Safronoff, Schwartz, Shulman, Shwartzstein, Silverstein, Solomon,
    Steinman, Temple, Weil, Weinberg, Weingard, Weinstein, Weiss, Zukelman
    what they wouldn’t give to see their loved ones again. Why didn’t they
    get a conspiratorial cell-phone message warning them to stay home? By
    all appearances, the 9-11 hijackers were equal-opportunity murderers.”

    tajender Reply:

    rajeev THUS SPAKE PERIYAR

    Brahma’s sex with daughter, animals
    (3) As Brahma left the place after the marriage, he once again secreted the semen and dropped it on the ashes of a graveyard. Here also a Rakshasa named Pooricharavanan was born.

    (4) After this Brahma collected the bones in the burial ground and once again secreted the semen and dropped it on the heap of the bones. Instantly a brave and strong man called Salliyan was born.

    (5) As he left the graveyard small quantity of semen was secreted and it dropped on the ground. A bird came there and consumed the semen of Brahma. The bird became pregnant and gave birth to a man called Sakuni.

    (6) Then god Brahma went to a tank. He dropped a little of his semen there. A frog came and swallowed the semen of Brahma and the frog gave birth to a female child called Mandothari.

    (7) At last Brahma dropped the last remnants of his semen in a lotus flower in a tank. The lotus flower became pregnant and gave birth to a female child called Padma?

    (8) On seeing his daughter Padma, Brahma was very much moved. He looked at the beauty of his daughter. He wooed his daughter and wanted to have intercourse. How could a daughter give consent to one’s own father? Padma refused. Brahma did not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to his daughter to make her realise that there is nothing wrong in enjoying with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child:

    Mathara Mupathya, susara mupaithe, Puthrartheetha

    Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nasthee thath.

    Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham

    Matharam suransathee Rahathee.

    This is the Sanskrit sloka Brahma quoted to his daughter. He explained to his daughter, that for the sake of a child one can enjoy with one’s own sister or daughter, as per the authority of the sacred Vedas composed by Brahmin scholar.

    (9) Brahma managed to convince his daughter with the help of the Veda and enjoyed her. Brahma’s semen entered the womb of his daughter. But somehow, for reasons not known he extracted his semen from the womb of his daughter, with the help of his own penis.

    (10) This behaviour of god Brahma and his lustful actions reached the king of Devas – Devendra. He deputed Thilothama, a dancing girl of devalokam to dance. She danced in all the four directions and up above in the sky. By this Brahma got five heads. He was much enamoured of the beauty of Thilothama. Brahma followed Thilothama for her love. God Eswara personally saw the madness of Brahma. So he cut away one of the heads of Brahma.

    (11) Then Brahma began to roam about in the forests. He happened to see a female bear in a bush. Brahma would not leave it. He went straight to the bush. The female bear yielded to Brahma. God Brahma enjoyed with the bear and a human being with the head of a bear was born. He is called Jambu Vandan, the son of Brahma.

    (12) Then Brahma met Urvasi, a prostitute. He was much moved for her beauty. He wooed her and made an agreement. Accordingly after enjoying her, he left the semen extracted from the womb of his daughter Padma and left in the womb of Urvasi. The child born was named Vasistan. After performing all these increditable acts, god Brahma transferred his powers to Vasistan and went away to perform penance.

    The origin and birth of munivars and rishis who created Vedas and sastras
    The birth of these Rishis is against the laws of nature, absurd and vulgar. I give few examples:

    Rishis Born to
    1. Kalaikottur Rishi Deer
    2. Kousik Kusam
    3. Jambukar Jackal
    4. Gouthamar Bull
    5. Valmiki Hunter
    6. Agasthiar Vessel
    7. Vyasar Fisher woman

  • tajender

    rajeev too to bachpan mein hui thee bewa
    aaj banne chalee hai qawallin
    bewafa ye tera muskarana
    pyar lane ke qabil nahin hai.

    ISKA SHUDH HINDI TRANSLATION KARO LINK BHI BATA DENGE.

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  • tajender

    RAJEEV ISKA BHI HINDI TRANSLATION TUMHE LINK DENGE,

    The Kabul airport killings: what are US troops dying for?
    Bill Van Auken

    WSWS, April 29, 2011

    Wednesday’s execution-style slaying of eight US troops and a civilian contractor at a supposedly secure military facility at Kabul airport underscores the crisis of the nearly decade-old US war in Afghanistan.

    It was the seventh―and deadliest―such attack this year on American or other foreign occupation troops by a member of the US-trained Afghan security forces―or someone dressed in their uniform.

    The Americans killed in the attack were airmen assigned to train the fledgling Afghan air force, which consists of less than 50 aircraft―helicopters and transport planes―which are largely confined to routine transport missions.

    This, under conditions in which the Pentagon is waging a massive air war in Afghanistan, with US Air Force and Navy warplanes flying nearly 35,000 close air support sorties last year alone. Bombing and strafing runs set new records every month, with 387 such attacks in January, compared to 157 during the same month in 2010.

    The assailant was identified as Ahmad Gul, a 48-year-old veteran pilot, who had first been trained 20 years ago in an Afghan air force created under Soviet tutelage. He was shot to death in an exchange of gunfire after having “disarmed…and methodically killed” the nine Americans, according to ABC news.

    The Taliban said that it was responsible for the attack, but Afghan officials dismissed the claim.

    The alternative explanation is significantly worse. After nearly 10 years of occupation, broad sections of the Afghan population who have no connection with the Taliban are seething with hatred for US and other foreign troops, and this is finding deadly expression in attacks by members of the security forces who are supposedly Washington’s allies.

    There have been 20 such incidents of men in Afghan security force uniforms turning their weapons on US and other foreign troops since March 2009, four of them taking place this month

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Mo-Autar,
    Pl. provide links to prove that 9/11 was done by US and also post of jews dancing on streets.
    If you don’t then consider that you have defiled Quran and abused Mohammad.

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    tajender Reply:

    why bring religion here what i told u is true.jews are arch enemy of christians.killed66millions christians while ruling russia as per alexzender solzhentsyn.became godless to kill the priests.always enjoyed killing of women and childen.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Post link…Stop making excuses.

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  • shan

    @ashish, massive digression from the tejender lying or taquiya mode.
    Remember once you took such pleasure from the comment of an imbecile who described britain . a colony of bangladesh.I would love to see that happen. INSTEAD WHAT I AM WITNESSING IS INDIA REVERTING BACK TO ITS OLD STATUS AS A COLONY OF BRITAIN.
    I was fed with this trashy wedding , so i switched over to NDTV, hey presto , what i find , THE ROYAL WEDDDING , and not just a clip here and there , the whole live commentary.
    The whole monarchy business survives in England , because1, working class pellets , cannot relate to science , or fine arts , and religion has left them , only thing that they can hold on to or deify is the monarchy.which represents their english nationalism
    In scotland there was only one street party to celebrate the marriage , scots know the price they had to pay for being in the union.They have been short changed of their NORTH SEA OIL.
    Indians in UK mostly behave like LOYAL SUBJECTS (looks like the mother country india is more loyal) and sardars and gujjus are going out of their way to show their loyalty.
    This marriage also confirmed to me ANGLO SAXONS whereever they are consider ENGLAND AS THEIR SPIRITUAL HOME AND MONARCHY THEIR SPIRITUAL LEADER.
    That is why folks have camped on the footpath near the westminister abbey , some from USA (displaying flags of usa) , some from Canada , and australia , newzealand has queen as its head anyway.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan,
    I missed the Royal wedding this time; saw the Princess Diana one- I was at the right age to ogle at her cleavage shot from top :D
    But, think about it- Indians have a huge fascination for spectacles- so, this was one “band, baaja, baraat” that Indians would not miss out on. On a Friday evening, I for one settled in front of my TV to watch IPL with a can of beer.
    And, the monarchy is about a spectacle, pomp and show-biz. I recommend to your reading the following:
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/mj-akbar-on-british-monarchy-and-princess-diana/1/136000.html

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, well about that fraud MJ akbar’s article , one line that stands out is the one he takes such relish in writting , the LOST POSSIBILITY OF ARAB(read islam) BLOOD SHOWING UP IN THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR.He is wrong about kate middleton’s middle class origins . It is not . Her mother an ex airhostess looks working class through and through(I have lived long enough in this country and by virtue of my job , able to pick up such subtelties). her mother’s grandfather a geordie(that is from Newcastle) was a miner. That is near bottom of the english pecking order,other than grave digger and road sweeper.Dad is from leeds but also working classish. BUT MONEY CAN CHANGE ALL. Dad made money from business , sent children to prep school and kate was bullied there , OLD MONEY HATES NEW MONEY ALLWAYS.
    India has changed indeed , you enjoying IPL with a can of beer . I would have thought it is pretty hot out there to enjoy beer. I have gone off IPL after the treatment meted out to ganguly. I think bengalees should show some pride and keep EDEN GARDENS empty.
    I enjoyed watching a french film “Of Gods and Men” with a glass of LASSI.:)
    I am not averse to drink , but average wine in supermarket is nothing great.
    Then i read Alan Clark (a pukka toff) any wine under 100 pounds is not worth drinking.
    well i have better things to do with 100 quid than splash on wine.

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    tajender Reply:

    SHAN U ARE NOTHING IN FRONT OF MJ AKABR.DONT SPEAK BIG.MAD BENGALEE.

    tajender Reply:

    SHAN TUM MJ AKBAR KEE ZHAANT BHI NAHIN HO.IDIOT BENGALEE.

    shan Reply:

    @Tejender , tum mere tutti ya ulti ke barabar bhi nahi ho, dont bullshit or else you will get more “gems” revealed from your revealed religion.

    tajender Reply:

    i have far more gems.ready for u.

  • shan

    @TEJENDER , STOP BULLSHITTING or else
    Muhammad’s sayings about women:

    1“A nation headed by a woman shall never succeed”,
    2”The worst sin and distraction from virtue that I have left for man is woman”,
    3“When I stood on the door of hell, I saw most of its inhabitants were women”,
    4 “Women lack brain and religion”,
    5 “If I have commanded kneeling for somebody, I would command a woman to kneel for her husband”,
    6 “If a man summoned his wife for intercourse and she refused, the angels will curse her till the dawn”,
    7 “If a man summoned his wife for intercourse, she has to respond even if she was above the furnace”.
    “The husband has the right to have sex with his wife even if she is above the camel”
    8“A woman shall not fast without the permission of her husband”
    Beating of women

    In his Quran and Hadith Muhammad legitimised the beating of a wife in the event of any dispute. Violence, beating and physical power become the basis of marital relationships and traditions in the Muslim society for solving any problem.
    Muhammad said in his Quran: “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of further punishment)9”.

    So first the husband has to advise his wife, if she is not convinced, he shall abandon her sexually. If this doesn’t work, finally he has the right to punish and beat his wife.

    In the last part of the sentence, the fairness of Muhammad is shown by saying “If the wife accepts the husband’s conditions, the husband shall stop beating her, because if he continues, this is cruelty”. And Muhammad is against cruelty! Muhammad himself had beaten his wife Aisha, hitting her on the chest10. Muhammad also said “The man has to hang his whip in a place where the whole family can see it” 11 and further, “Man shall not be questioned as to the reason why he beats his family” 12.
    Muhammad’s orders of Female Circumcisions.

    Muhammad adopted the Bedouin tradition of cutting away the clitoris by saying that circumcision is an obligation for men, and an honorable deed for women13. Muhammad explained the reason behind cutting away the clitoris: a woman may ejaculate before the man!! Why is this a problem? Because it will lead her to conceive a boy with female traits.14 This is what Bedouins try to avoid for their sons, as the woman is a symbol of weakness for Bedouins, they want their sons to be strong, fierce and violent.

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    tajender Reply:

    I why there’s so much homosexuality in the US, because the women are so impossible. They’re mean, greedy, vindictive, so whatever feminine qualities they have are almost totally submerged

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    shan Reply:

    @tejender , imagine yourself with these american girls locked up in a room , jessica biel, scarlett johansson or for that matter the cheer girls from IPL ,what will you do turn homosexual or prove true what quoran says , “a man ,and a woman in a room ,the third person is always the devil”

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    tajender Reply:

    I WILL SAY FK OFF BSTRD.DONT TALK HOLY QURAN.I HAVE FAR MORE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS THAN THEM.

  • tajender

    i will not awnser ur above mail mail because it is rubbish and propaganda material.hindus have have no face to show when it comes women.women is outcaste whose killing is not sin.u burned alive billions of ur women as sati ,nari prathas.used leave women in temples to be fkd by nasedi bhaghedi priets.lot of them are killed even now at the time of birth.thousands are murdered if dowry is less.left in vridavan when old.in bengal i have read many cases when women ran away from chita to be catched by her sons and again thrown in fire.

    next time dont bring religion in discussion.communists were jews they killed 66million christians and others while ruling russia.read alexzender solzhentsyn.one one of the few survivor of death camps.
    i advise you to readSECRET HOLOCAUST by EUSTACE MULLIN.

    on my observation on talmud is right.
    i dont speak lie talmud is holy to us well.but fact`is fact.

    Historian Michael Levi Rodkinson, in his book The History of the Talmud, wrote that persecutors of the Talmud, both during and subsequent to its formation, “have varied in their character, objects and actions” and the book documents a number of critics and persecutors, including Nicholas Donin, Johannes Pfefferkorn, Johann Andreas Eisenmenger, the Frankists, and August Rohling.[28] Many attacks come from antisemitic sources, particularly Christian antisemites such as Justinas Pranaitis, Elizabeth Dilling or David Duke. Criticisms also arise from Muslim sources,[29] Jewish sources,[30] and atheists and skeptics.[31] Accusations against the Talmud include alleged:[32]

    1.Anti-Christian or anti-Gentile content[33]
    2.Absurd or sexually immoral content[34]
    3.Falsification of scripture[35

    next time dont bring religion in worldly matter.i have very true but mad material for bengalees u will be hurt.this is not my aim to hurt anybody.
    sept 11 is zoinist lie.they did it and putting blame on us.like purohit was planting bombs and muslims used to get blame.

    zoinists are the secret instigators of all mascares in last 200 years.they killed 10 million ukranian
    during stalin.in india rss is their agent.26/11 was also perpetuated by them.
    they enjoy killing of women and children.

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  • shan

    @Chutander , this list gives the full names of the jews murdered on 9/11, now go and celebrate by uttering talaq three times to your fourth wife and preparefor nikah with a thirteen yr old poor girl from slums of orangi.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35516

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    tajender Reply:

    chutender jiska lnd teri bahan ke under.put this list in ur and fk off.i am checking it.

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    tajender Reply:

    chootiya gaali hamari madari zaban hai dobara mat karna.zeet nahin sakte ho.

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    shan Reply:

    Yeh tumhara madari zaban nahi tumhara mazhab hai. full of you know what

    tajender Reply:

    Yeh tumhara madari zaban nahi tumhara mazhab hai. full of you know what

    jo jee mein aie kaho.u are loaffer nothing more.khud kaho to kutch nahin humne kah diya to mazhab a gaya.mazhab kahan se agaya.u mean narrow minded rascists.always think small speak small do small.basically u people are mean and cheap.reach to religion instead awnsering the enquiries or ideas.ghatia cheap rubbish uncultured.

    tajender Reply:

    why u use derogatory lagyage agaisnt us.u feel we r weak.britishers fkd u people without putting one drop of grease but u clean their shoes and lick their arse.happy to be a obedinient slave.jo hum kah rahein hai woh hamari zaban hai.mazhab kahta hai ki tumharee ghaand pe do laat dein.
    donkey sale jewish propaganda khol khol ke jo chaho likho.

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    shan Reply:

    @tejender, mera mazhab hai INSANIYAT, tu hindu banega na musaalman banega , insaan ka aulad hai insaan banega.

    tajender Reply:

    tera mazhab angreziat hai insaniyat nahin hai.jinme angreziat hoti hai insaniyat nahi hoti
    warna yeh sab nahi karta.jab insaan ban jana bata dena main tera bhai ban jaunga.

  • shan
  • Anuj

    Dear Zia
    I just happned to see the blogs of Hindustantimes for the first time and and that too your blog is the first one. I saw your introduction as a Muslim who did not read Arabic as a muslim kid and then read Koran as a muslim adult and reached to the conclusion that Islam has to be understood and not feared!
    In one of the replies of one Mr. Sethi you go on saying that you can not comment on Taliban and atrocities of Muslims in the other parts of the world becasue you were not born in Pakistan and you are an Indian Muslim and so on.

    How come you are wrting about Trump and the problems of the Muslims in America and the Islamofobia of Europe and Geert Wilder! Were you born in USA or Europe? Going by your logic of your birth you are not supposed to be talking about Muslims in USA and Europe!!
    How much ever you try to hide behind the words and argumement, you can not fool people for long.
    Understanding about Islam is not a result of one day or one year or one generation. It has taken generations of understanding which has now spread worldwide because of electronic media and internet in the whole world.

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    tajender Reply:

    present understanding on islam is result of continous anti-muslim media compaign carried out
    by zoinists who had plan to occupy middle east.most of their arguments are vulgar and lies.they want christians from europe and america come fight for them.help them to occupy their land.otherwise we are the most peaceful people in world.

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  • tajender

    shan i checked the list around 12%have jewish names..but selection of day(sept 11 is jewish new year)and time (usually in morning they go to pray) attempt was made to save as many jews as possible.this itself is indicative of their involvent in this game.

    today ossama is killed.good for world bad for zoinist ,now they have to search and popularize some one else.to continue war and pauperize america and world.

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  • Anonymous

    Wows ..And i will say R is for Rupee Symbol as their is corruption in designing Rupee Symbol too http://www.saveindianrupeesymbol.org

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  • VAMSI KRISHNA

    y z it that every catalytic thing in the society is somehow made related to politics and their outcomes; when politics never shows its true outcome for the society????

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