Waving the Flag, Pulling a Stunt



Kashmir is biding its time. Its streets are frozen. People hibernating. Winter is for lying low and drawing comfort from the kangri, a local warming device. During the summer months, angry, young Kashmiris will be seeking heat on edgy streets, taunting policemen with bricks again.

Seen from Delhi, the uprisings have appeared to be usual flare-ups of a familiar, old ailment. But last summer, when Kashmir was caught in months of violent protests, over 100 died, signaling more than just an eruption.

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), the nationalist opposition party, has come up with a rash plan. Its workers are heading for Lal Chowk, the flashpoint in downtown Srinagar, to hoist the Indian flag.

The irony about the BJP is that it tends to act more rationally and pragmatically when in power than when it is outside government. Its longest tenure at government saw most of its polarizing agendas relegated backwards.

Its prime minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, had famously promised Kashmiris to “do all that is possible within humanitarian limits”. Now, the party is behaving like belligerent adolescents, who often exactly do what others forbid.

Whatever happened to the BJP’s much-vaunted brainy strategists? Even my five-year-old daughter would handle sensitive problems better. The other day, she asked me to be careful with a cut on her hand, so that it heals.

Kashmir isn’t going to heal anytime soon but ill-conceived plans to score political points certainly don’t help. The flag-hoisting mission is being viewed as fraught with risks of triggering another bout of flare-up. First, ordinary Kashmiris may see it as a needless attempt to scratch their backs. Two, Kashmir’s secessionists have called for a counter-march on the same day.

Following last summer’s cycles of violence, the government has made some political gestures. After an all-party delegation — which included the BJP — visited Kashmir in September 2010, the government sent a team of interlocutors in October to prepare a series of reports after consulting all sides in the conflict.

The idea apparently is to seize the opportunity of the winter lull to start fresh dialogue and announce soothing recommendations towards the summer.

Clashes in Kashmir only serve to draw international attention to it, which India is left struggling to deflect. Kashmir is increasingly being compared to Palestine, riling the government, which likes to describe it as an “internal issue”.

A recent article in The Economist magazine said protestors in Kashmir had “aped Palestinian methods”. During uprisings, helicopters buzz overhead. Police batter stone-throwing youngsters. Walls are scribbled with anti-India graffiti. Soldiers are yelled at. Troublemakers are put under detention without trial, sometimes summarily executed, according to the Human Rights International.

The BJP certainly does not need to be reminded that every one of those flare-ups provide fresh fodder to rebellious hardliners to flag off Kashmir to the international community.

At this point, waiving the flag does not serve Kashmir in any way, but the BJP’s own agenda of boosting its profile.

In the context of Kashmir, the BJP’s argument is juvenile: that hoisting the Tricolor, the Indian flag, is the right of every Indian. To an outsider, it gives the impression that the national flag is a proscribed article in Kashmir. In reality, the national flutters at all key government buildings – from the courts to the State Assembly – on all days.

But patriotism could sometimes be about not hoisting the national flag and doing something rather more constructive.

To begin with, the BJP could concentrate on opening the locks on its offices in the state. That’s a far better plan for itself and the country. That’s how national parties can deepen their stake in the region, not by pulling off political stunts.

As for the flag, Kashmir’s chief minister Omar Abdullah – who moves from one crisis to another — is going to anyway hoist one in Srinagar on Republic Day.

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  • manujsk

    I thought initially not to respond, but the itch wasnt easy to control. For the starts, read the comments on Hazra’s comment on the same issue. They all apply to you, to start with. I dont understand why does your heart bleed so badly for the Muslim Kashmir? Are you giving us an assurance that the wound will heal, if no flag is hoisted by the BJP? If not, then why not celebrate the Tiranga. Can you tell us who get offended by the tricolor? Is it an Indian, or are they just the separatists? Should we then start doing what the separatists want us to do ? Shame on you for even remotely suggesting that. IN the garb of couple of anti-Islam (if I can call it), you guys start claiming a certificate of secularism. Alas, they are as fake as an INR currency from Pakistan. The idea of pseudo secularism is dead. You may want to flog it a little more. The BJP and its supporters are completely right. Omar Abdullah is turning to be traitor and wants to hide his inefficiencies in governing the state. How come you guys remember Vajpayee, when you have to defend your stance on Kashmir. Why dont you remember him on so many other things that he said and did. Opportunism at its worst! All those who disallow the hoisting of flags are traitors, including you. Howsoever hoarse you deny that, people have seen through you. And they call you Muslim, because you are one. :) Dont shy away from that. Being a Muslim is not yet illegal, its just stinking immoral and you cant run away from that.

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    Shobs Reply:

    Very well said!!

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    Col KMS Sahasi Reply:

    It is nave to view Kashmir issue from your foggy vision. Yes, wound would heal. People will reflect in the lull period. They will like to take their struggle in more democratic way. If you provoke separatists by such supped gesture in a state wher BJP is hardly visible in the velley areas.
    Do some constructive work. Connect with people of Kashmir and try to bring them to a table where both sides place their views.
    Cranky speaking, if referendum could solve the issue let it be so. I am sure if joint referendum is taken Kashmir will remain with India without doubt. Even if you take valley separately, there are many parties know that survival of Independent Kashmir from Talibanization immediately would be imminent danger. Or it would be claimed by Pak. They know in a democratic & secular India Kashmir would prosper more economically and religiously . May God give some wisdom to BJP juvenile politicians to wake up to reality and cancel flag hoisting. Governor will do it in the State Capital as per protocol in all other states.

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    manujsk Reply:

    Sorry Col,but I thought Vajpayeeji, probably the last statesman India has, did indeed try peace very very hard. The result was nought. The hearts and minds are not easy to win with constant moral, economic and physical support from across the border. As regards referendum, why are you so more-than-willing to do that? All countries in the world do things which are the best for them, and not what the UN says. This holds true for the most “just” America, to the most unjust- N Korea (current flavour).
    Frankly speaking, this is not done. Just because some people say no flags, are we going to say- ok no flags? Tom , they will say no Vande Mataram. Where do they stop and where do we start? If BJP withdraws the march, can you assure that come summers things will be fine? Then, why not let the BJP peacefully hoist the flag, make an statement of their patritism and come back. And isn’t it a fact that Kashmir issue started before the BJP was born? How come BJP shares the onus for the Kashmir issue? Hasn’t it allowed space since the last flag hoisting by MM Joshi in 1992? What happened? Are we any better off? This thing of accommodating the Kashmirs is just a pretense for giving in to the separatists. They will NEVER reconcile. We are wasting time. We have given enough time and resource. Time has come to exert ourselves- democratically. And what is this “BJP has no stakes” argument? BJP had no stake anywhere in India 25 years back. Now it rules almost 30% of India. Tom, Insaallah, it will rule Kashmir also! Regards

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    raj Reply:

    Connect with people of Kashmir and try to bring them to a table where both sides place their views. — does this include hindus, buddhist & other relious minority, i hv never seen a hindu included & do you really include them,

    If you provoke separatists by such supped gesture in a state — yes, let us appease other wise islamist will get angry… i don’t see you following the same when extra land was not given for amarnath yatris.

    Do some constructive work. – like what… they don’t like anyone other than muslims, they hv done ethnic cleansing, only muslims there, so pls give some exampls, rather than talking like armchair col

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    Hamid Reply:

    I want to ask one question after hoisting national flag What BJP wants to show. Why do they want to do now. For many woh log kahan the. During thier govt why they didnot think like that. Why do you people always want to defame Islam. Tumlogto kiya duniya sare taqatnebi mita nahin sakta Islam. It remains as the truth for the whole universe. you 100% ignorant liar.

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    shan Reply:

    @hamid, I agree duniya ka koi taquat nahi mita sakta, as for Islam being 100%truth, UTTER BOLLOCKS

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    raj Reply:

    Why do you people always want to defame Islam. -
    pls expalin how islam is defamed by raising a country national flag anywhere & by anyone within in india. pls get out of this victim mentality.

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    raj Reply:

    I want to ask one question after hoisting national flag What BJP wants to show. Why do they want to do now
    — after hositing flag they will distribute choclates. they want to show they are together with indians facing terrorist.
    Why do they want to do now – this is the question you will ask whenever they did it. be happy they did it atleast now.

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    Piyush Reply:

    Let me get this straight : Zia you are proposing that BJP shouldnt hoist the flag because it will ( not may) lead to violent protests in Kashmir and you are calling BJP wrong. Somehow doesnt fit right. What is your stand on Kashmir – Is it or is it not according to you part of Indian Territory and if yes do you have this vague idea that India by force took over Kashimir?
    Seriously it wouldnt have been a political issue if the Government would follow this practice rather than siding with separatists. And not hoisting flag for past one decade has resulted in “( not peace or solution) but legitimization of separatists!!!
    Are you actually full of it, as the tittle of your blog suggests (or shouts out) this blog is nothing but a self victimization forum of a weak self pitying individual. How about learn to reply as well, its just a good practice ….. Hindustan times really does a real good as Congress’s media wing… I really wanna kno do they pay you in cash or in kind!!!

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    Hindustani Reply:

    Like you, I also cannot help responding. Is any voice that differs from yours condemnable in words such as yours? You seem to conveniently forget how this patriotic BJP released dreaded terrorists who have been troubling India ever more, ever since. You do not remember the ransom the BJP paid. There is already violence in Kashmir and the BJP wants to raise it to a new level; no doubt the resulting deaths will give a handle to our neighbour, besides bringing the issue in sharp focus when the western attention is diverted to other problems. This same strategy was used by the BJP on the Mandir-Masjid issue leading to the entire chain of senseless violence that has engulfed the country ever since, giving an opportunity to our enemies to foment trouble on our soil. Whatever you may think, Indian Muslims are as much Indians as you are despite the warped notion of India that you may have. Whether you like it or not India belongs to Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists and whatever else you may have under the sun; BJP cannot alter this. Just imagine how much this country could have developed if our energies did not have to wasted on such divisive pastimes.

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    shan Reply:

    Succha Hindustani, Fully agree. BJP is a party of morons HAD CAUSED ENOUGH STRIFE , there will be plenty of flag hoisting in Kashmir, one less will not make any difference.Also THIS CONFRONTATIONALIST approach reeks of JIHADI ISLAM , actually ALL RELIGION INSPIRED PARTY ARE JUST TWO SIDE OF THE SHIT. In UK the word “Flag waver”is used in a derogatory way suggesting what Dr samuel Johnson said 2PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF THE SCOUNDREL”. How about BJP demanding swift justice to put behind bars the IAS couple JOSHI from Bhopal for swindling 360CRORES(yes you have read it correct)

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    manujsk Reply:

    @Hindustani- Man, you are funny, seriously! Ok, can you pls enlighten the boarders here how does a tiranga create divide between Indians? Is antagonising the separatists with a Tiranga such a wrong thing? And this Babri Masjid, et. al are history. Leave them there. Baat niklegi to door talak jayegi. We know who partitioned India, who killed countless Sikhs, the Shah Bano case, the opening of the Mandir, 1000s of riots in all parts of country. So, chill. As regards releasing the terrorists, we atleast threw them out. Unlike keeping Kasab and the ilk alive on chicken biryani. We saved 120 lives. Pls suggest what was the alternative then? Dont talk rubbish. Do you think your Kangressis would have doen anything else? And finally, you seem to imagine issues. Go, see a shrink. Nobody ever doubted the Indian Muslims. Cite me if I have done, and I will never be seen. So, dont get worked up. See the arguments with an open mind and then write, rather than carrying some old propaganda.

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    raj Reply:

    HIndustan – conveniently forget how this patriotic BJP released dreaded terrorists — it was result of media frenzy created by secular english media. if you were so worried (incl english media) you could hv approached supreme court & get a stay order against release, as it happened in case of kannada actor rajkumar. Supreme court sat for urgent hearing & inform TN govt it cannot release prisoners for hostage.
    There is already violence in Kashmir —- you know who they are, but want to appease thinking to stop violence, its ummah . i don’t see any buddhist monk /kids throwing stones.
    Just imagine how much this country could have developed if our energies did not have to wasted on such divisive pastimes. — is it addressed to terrorist or helpless indians. fighting for country = divisive pastimes. get a back bone please & stop patronising

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    Ravi Reply:

    The real face of Hinduism

    Recently, on BBC, I watched a news discussion being chaired by Mishal Hussien and it involved Beeban Kidron and Jay Lakhani of the Hindu Academy. The topic of discussion was “Devdasi”, based around a film that Beeban has recently made. The Hindu gentle man was appearing in order to provide some sort of Hindu defence of this reprehensible tradition. By itself, this was hardly a remarkable discussion.

    However, what is remarkable is that such discussions – where unsavoury aspects of Hindu religion are discussed – have recently increased by significant proportions.

    The world is progressing from glibly admiring the superficially attractive façade of Hinduism and is increasingly asking it to defend its theologically sanctified caste system, which is used to oppress millions of people and to deprive them of their basic human dignity for over two millennia.

    We are now entering an era when Hinduism, as seen on the TV is no longer represented merely as a peace loving vegetarian religion but as an arcane set of beliefs which SANCTIFY, human oppression and deprive large portions of Indian population of their basic human rights.

    Sankhwan-e-tesdik-e-mashrik kahan hain

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/impact_asia/9372357.stm

    guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jan/21/beeban-kidron-devadasi

    raj Reply:

    at least hindus are ready to discuss , critically analyis their religion
    more over, secular rule of land takes over religion. today a woman made devadasi / sati can legally challange such an act & people can be punished.
    but islam is stuck in 7th century with sharia. let us see some soul searching with sharia.
    now take this anti hindu bigotry to outlookindia sites for your friends there.

    ram autar Reply:

    education datas of of bangladesh women is better than india.inspite of such bad conditions hardly there any starvation death.

    muslims have more than 5 noble prize holder.noble prize is politicalEVEN LEO TOLSTOY COULD NOT GET IT.AFTER 1947 NO REAL INDIAN GOT NOBLE PRIZE.under hinduism talent is not possible.only frauds survive like sree satya sai baba kalmadi suresh rao etc etc.
    a kashmiri muslim boy topped ias this year.film industry is making money because of khans.cricket we have good representation.common indians are linning in frnt of muslim embassies to get job.

    raj Reply:

    muslims have more than 5 noble prize holder
    —- ok , be good boy & name them.

    ram autar Reply:

    raj give the the name one hindu /european who is as versatile intellectual as avorroes.ignorance is bliss.

    raj Reply:

    you are the one who praised the knowledge of beleivers & i asked you to name at least 5 beleivers who got noble prize.
    so lets stop worrying about kaffirs.
    now answer the orignal question – 5 beleivers who got noble prize
    – to make it simple – at 5 inventions in last 50 years by beleivers which changed peoples life.

    ram autar Reply:

    raj, to make it simple – at 5 inventions in last 50 years by beleivers which changed peoples life

    raj there are 1001`inventions in last one thousand years.coffee u drink every morning is muslim invention watch u wear is muslim invention algebra alcohol alkaline are all muslim inventions.west learned astronomy and physics through muslims.i gave u name of 3 muslim scientists with so versatile qualites.give me one such from europe /india.

    christians and jews are not kafirs they are our blodd brothers cousins.after partition dr abdul salam and one bangladeshi ,yasser arafat,barrack hussain obama,atleast 3 egyptians.there are many many more.

    ram autar Reply:

    raj also add nuclear scientist Mohamed ElBaradei,an egytian.got nobel peace prize.

    raj Reply:

    i gave u name of 3 muslim scientists with so versatile qualites.give me one such from europe /india.
    — think you forgot to mention them, i cannot see them anywhere in your message. ok even in that case i asked for 5 & you can give only 3 (you say so , but names not mentioned in your message)

    raj Reply:

    nuclear scientist Mohamed ElBaradei,an egytian.got nobel peace prize

    —- nuclear scientist —- you are sucking some thing these days, read what he studied.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei

    he shared his prize with IAEA, it was was for peace , not for science or technology , in which muslims are very good as you mentioned.
    - ok one down , next 4 please.

    raj Reply:

    christians and jews are not kafirs they are our blodd brothers cousins.
    —- so why don’t you allow your cousins to have church & synagouge in saudi arabia, so much for your blood brothers. will islam die if a church built there.
    — yes, you see the blood of your peaceful cousin brother in pakistan & iraq where they are killed in church.
    may be time to learn a few thing from your peaceful brothers.

    ram autar Reply:

    raj mohd el baradi is nobel peace prize holder like mubarak hussain obama.

    raj Reply:

    raj mohd el baradi is nobel peace prize holder like mubarak hussain obama

    — On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
    — now go out & get a life or learn to use wikipedia – another kaffir thing… haram ???

    raj Reply:

    still waiting for 5 names….

    ram autar Reply:

    even iran is far ahead in technology than india.as per indians analyst and observers pakistan is ahead of india in defence and nuclear technology.
    u brhmnst are expert in making bhagwans and looting the innocents.durga was first painted and exhibited in 1862 by someone sarkar.how she became godess only bhagwan knows.

    raj Reply:

    even iran is far ahead in technology
    — petrol is rationed in iran as they don’t hv beleivers technology to pump out more.
    maybe iran can buy this technology from kaffir countries.

    ram autar Reply:

    petrol is rationed in iran as they don’t hv beleivers technology to pump out more.
    maybe iran can buy this technology from kaffir countries

    christians are not kafirs they are blood brothers.rationing shows heavy use.iran has population of 7 crores generates 60000 megawats up with population of 17 crores generates 7000 megawatts.iran is manufacturing drones and nuclear water.

    raj Reply:

    population of 7 crores generates 60000 megawats up with population of 17 crores
    — now make up your mind…. as usual you have problem with 00′es

    iran is manufacturing drones and nuclear water.
    — in 1950 they kissed the great statan *** to start this, unlike other kaffir. so much for beleivers science & technology
    The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

    raj Reply:

    durga was first painted and exhibited in 1862 by someone sarkar.how she became godess only bhagwan knows.
    — some time around year 1500, there was a guy. one day when he was in cave, he heard a voice in his head (if you say this today, you will be sent to psychatriatic treatment). he came out & said he got message from god….. how he became a prohet only allah knows.

    ram autar Reply:

    raj daasi was pratha.not religion.hinduism (brhmnsm)is system of slavery it is not religion.

    raj Reply:

    - and you point is ?

    ram autar Reply:

    ram autar Reply:

    January 27th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    raj daasi was pratha.not religion.hinduism (brhmnsm)is system of slavery it is not religion

    point is this `gifting woman to pujaris is pratha.tradition.

    raj Reply:

    gifting woman to pujaris is pratha.tradition.
    — tradition is not religion !!! , try doing today & you will land in jail !!!!!!!

    seems islam is no better than kaffirs, as this seems to be going on even as we talk.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting

    — islam seems to doing worst things than kaffirs, time to get down your islamic moral high horse.

    ram autar Reply:

    on nov.6th rss goons and army of raja killed 250000 natives of jammu.u mrhmnst are interested in war confrontation that is how u can kill natives and make money in every movement of wars.

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    manujsk Reply:

    This is no time or place for propaganda. Any facts?

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    raj Reply:

    — again you have problem with 0′es , nothing wrong in adding two more 00.

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    Rohit Reply:

    The Flag is being hoisted, the question is why is not BJP hoisting flag in RSS shakas that to this day don’t fla Tiranga

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    raj Reply:

    why is not BJP hoisting flag in RSS shakas —- for a change why don’t you or congress try to do it like bjp doing in kashmir.

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    Ravi Reply:

    The U G L Y face of H I N D U I S M.

    There are estimated to be over 900 000 sex workers in India. 30% are believed to be children. Recent reports estimate that the number of children involved in prostitution is increasing at 8 to10% per annum.

    About 15% of the prostitutes in Mumbai (Bombay), Delhi, Madras, Calcutta, Hyderabad and Bangalore are children. It is estimated that 30%of the prostitutes in these six cities are under 20 years of age. Nearly half of them became commercial sex workers when they were minors. Conservative estimates state that around 300 000 children in India are suffering commercial sexual abuse, which includes working in pornography.

    In one study of 456 sex workers in Mumbai who had been ‘rescued’ by police in February 1996, a fifth were under 18 years and two-thirds were under 20. The main obstacle in the cracking down on child prostitution for the police is the issue of rehabilitation and where to place and reintegrate all the children that they rescue.

    ROOTS: The problem of child prostitution in India is more complicated than in other Third World countries where it is directly related to sex tourism. In India, sexual exploitation of children has its roots in traditional practices, beliefs and gender discrimination. According to some research, child prostitution is socially acceptable in some sections of Indian society through the practice of Devdasi. Young girls are given to the ‘gods’ and they become a religious prostitute. There are believed to be around 3 300 devdasis in Belguam area alone. Devdasi is banned by the Prohibition of Dedication Act of 1982. Parents or guardians dedicating their girls are liable to five years in jail and a Rs5 000 (approximately £71) fine.

    Sankhwan-e-tasdeek-e-mashrik kahan hain

    raj Reply:

    again, your source of informtion pls ______________________

    Ravi Reply:

    Untouchables:

    ………..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1CY48_Tmho&feature=related

    There is no Hindu Right terrorism in India – Just massacres.

    ……………http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYpvnMks1HE&feature=fvw

    raj Reply:

    even i can post horrible video from you tube about happening in islamic countries.
    so take your agend somehwere else.

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    I see you opening your bowels a lot.

    Yet I have not seen one original contribution from you. All you have managed up until now is glibly challenge other people’s contributions.

    So here is some thing that you need get into your shit filled head.

    You tube is just a medium. Reputable producers produced the films, I cited.

    If you can point to anti Islam video’s on youtube then why dont you.

    The reason is you are a lazy twat, who just goes around challenging other people’s arguments without actually having any view of your own.

    If you are a REAL man then attack the arguments….I don’t see you contradicting any of the facts I have posted.

    In comparison to you, Ram Autar is a paradigm changing individual.

    raj Reply:

    I see you opening your bowels a lot.
    — in islam seeing a man’s a** is haram. really, don’t you have anything better to see ?

    challenge other people’s contributions
    — and next line you say — If you are a REAL man then attack the arguments
    – that’s what i did & proved them to be lie for what it was.

    If you can point to anti Islam video’s on youtube then why dont you.
    — i don’t wan to post violent, goresome, snuff movies

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    Fantastic….I will let the readers be the judge.

  • shan

    @zia, first a piece of information. I have been barred from gautam chikermane’s blog. Only a spineless , coward will resort to such censorship.and it is rich when this geezer gautam sermonises the arab world and by extension muslims about freedom.Then again his blogs have the intellectual merit of the book “Thommo” or a karan johar film.i salute you for despite being very harsh to you YOU NEVER CENSORED ANYONE.
    Now coming to Kashmir issue , i fully agree with your observation. BJP is anything but patriotic , it is upper caste hindus and banias party.Remember what Dr Samuel Johnson said “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”. and BJP has no dearth of scouldrels in its ranks.

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    Prasoon Reply:

    I do agree with you that BJP is doing this for vote politics they are least interested in solving Kashmir problem. But I do feel that media and chief minister Omar Abdullah has unnecessarily made it into a full blown national issue. If nobody would have gave them any publicity then this whole yatra would have died down. Remember Advani became famous when Laloo attested him in Bihar. Both were playing to the gallery. After that Advani had 100 more yatras but nobody cared. Mr Abdullah if really he cared could have directly spoken to top BJP leaders like Advani and he could have found a face saving compromise for both the camps. But I suspect he wants to have the confrontation to improve his own image in valley. Abdullah has always tried to use any thing he can to boost his vote bank remember the land allocated to Amarnath shrine board.

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    Nishant Reply:

    either you agree or not…its not going to change the fact…you have right for your opinion..which to me is worthless. thank you for your comment and do keep commenting, btw, BJP is the only hope india has left and i say with every single blood cell in my body, good day my pakistani friend.

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    ram autar Reply:

    mr shan arabs dictatorships nad king ships are far benefiar to local populations than blood democracy.which divide the people in groups and subgroups and subgroups.it is for rich by rich.mixed with brhmncl poison common man becomes walking skeleton.like in india.

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    manujsk Reply:

    Yeah, thats why you dont find democarcy in the ME. Ask the citizens there if they want the kings, or would like to have some democratic right.

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    Raghavendra Reply:

    Hi Mr Shan

    you feel it is a crime of one party in india is upper caste party? you feel a MUSLIM LEAGUE is most patrotic?where were people like you when pakistan flags were unfurled on the streets of kashmir during amarnath land row? have you forgotten those incidents? you dont utter a word against people raising pakistani flags in kashmir because they are muslims?
    you dont find anything worng when kashmiri muslims move on streets with PAKISTAN flags but you start barking like a mad dog when BJP unfurls indian flag?

    isnt it an irony Mr Shan?

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    shan Reply:

    @raghavendra, Those who follow me,know that my creed is rationality and humanism. As to unfurling of pakistani flag , this is the same mindset that caused godhra train carnage. THESE ARE NUTTERS.
    They do untold harm to the fellow poor muslims , just like stone pelting ,and paralysis of valley bringing untold misery to the POOR. just like GODHRA, caused hundreed times more destruction and loss to the MUSLIMS than the fifty hindus killed by MUSLIM brain dead morons. Also pakistani flag hoisting takes place or used to take place in Park Circus area of calcutta. A nazi or lets say islamic jihadi approach would be to hack them down.A CIVILIZED society tries to understand and address , just like if their is food riots , you dont exterminate the protestors so that there is no more riots. Or a corollary would be in a civilized society , if the govt is oppressive (Thatcher),you dont kill the head , you organise and humiliate them by voting them out. That they unfurl pakistani flag is a show of their impotence , otherwise they would stood and swept the elections on a totally seccessonist agenda.But they are cowards , and know very well what the result will turn out to be.

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    Raghavendra Reply:

    Mr Shan

    many many thanks for your reply.i agree that elements like seperatists do untold damage to common muslims.. yes only 50 odd hindus were killed by muslims in GODHRA that set Gujrat on fire in 2002.thing is what caused the response was the brutality of burning 50 odd people by locking a train bogie. the barbaric act of setting train on fire led to all those incidents.
    you must remember 1 thing many HINDUS were killed in the firing during those riots?
    only HINDUS died in GODHRA , in the aftermath voilence both muslims and hindus dies.
    so picturing godhra riots as just anti muslim would be grossly unfair.
    muslim mobs also behaved aggressively in gujrat riots.
    **** flag can be raised in KOLKATTA because those moron communists get offended when BHAGWA flag is raised in INDIA they keep their eyes shut when **** flag is raised.
    there is no denying that politicians of KASHMIR are the biggest cause for all those things happening. if leaders of kashmir work well for people of that state may be such things will be reduced.irony of kashmir is on one hand it has HURRIYAT and such elements on the another they have bitter enemies like NATIONAL CONFERENCE and PDP.
    these 2 parties always find time to fight like cats and dogs but they never care for welfare of that state.

    Raghavendra Reply:

    Mr shaan
    those hurriyat guys would never win even one seat if they fought elections that is why they always create these things. yesterday on popular news channel i was amazed by tacit support the PDP leader Mehbooba mufti and Congress party’s Saifuddin soz were virtually condoning Mr Yaseen mailk’s views on rasing of indian flag.
    they talk for hours when it comes to BJP.
    but have these National conferece , PDP , DESH BHAKT CONRESSIS lost their balls to oppose guys like yaseen malik?

    raj Reply:

    A CIVILIZED society tries to understand and address , just like if their is food riots , — yes but this is not some food or famine riot, and you know it well. its a religion inspired movement to get rid of all religions in kashmir & make it another land of pure. there are other religions in kashmir, they are not blowing up. its ultimate calliphate, & when they get it it will be shia , sunni, sufi, ahamadia & other sects killing themselves – like iraq , pakistan & afghanistan today.

    raj Reply:

    BJP is anything but patriotic , it is upper caste hindus and banias party. —-
    remove your blinkers, so you talked with crores of bjp supporters.
    stop such sweeping generalized & sterotypes
    its like saying muslim terrorist.

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  • Rahul

    shame on you Zia get out of india people like you make india heaven for islamic extermets

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  • http://www.singh.com KK singh

    The basic question is whether the proposed activity (hoisting the flog) by the BJP is Legal ? Next whether it is an Indian citizen’s right to hoist the tricolor on the Republic Day anywhere in INDIA? I think the answer to both the above questions is YES. The BJP should be allowed to hoist the Indian National Flag. It is a Patriotic act and it should be allowed to happen.

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    MDMehra Reply:

    Why suddenly the urge to hoist the Tricolor after so many years??? Was the Bhartiya Jhagda Party (yes this is the best name suited for the BJP) seems to always itch for creating trouble! They did the same with the Babri Masjid/Ram Janmabhoomi issue which led to hundreds to losses of innocent lives and increased terrorism in the country…. BJhagdaP is at a complete loss of issues hence will keep creating issues out of nowhere… its turning to be a liability to have these kind of people in India!

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    ishwar Reply:

    Thanks Mr. Mehra for reminding that BJP also raised the issue of Ram Mandir at Ayodhya.

    Can you say for sure that if they hadn’t demolished the illegal Babri structurein ‘92, the court’s verdict would have been the same? The courts did find the place to be the birth place of Lord Ram. This govt. has denied even his existence. What other means was left for the nation to get justice for the faithful Hindus in their own country?

    And you say BJP has run out of issues – you must be joking!! The only issues which are alive in this country are of corruption and price rise and your party is already on the mat.

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  • Judge Stern

    Zia,s piece of trash analysis is a clear indication of the majority of Muslims in India. They live and flourish in india and would like to inflict all ills on India and its interests. As pointed out by others, the issue of flag hoisting is to challenge the separatists and Pakistanti elements that Kashmir is an inalienable part of India, and the flag hoisting is the best way to demonstrate it. In this efforts, people of any civilized society would expect that their governments – both federally and state-wise – will provide 100% support to the folks who do the patriotic things like flag-hoisting. But funny thing is Indian government and the J&K separatist government got together under MMS as PM and are hell-bent to prevent any patriotic things in J&K and would like to usher in the separatists to indulge in all anti-national activities against the Indian interests! It is the real irony in India today!!!!!

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  • shan

    Bloggers et al. This is what I posted In gautam chikermane’s blog about Yemen. It is BLOCKED
    jUDGE FOR YOURSELVES, THIS SLIMY CHARACTER IS NOT ONLY LOOKS UGLY , IS UGLY BY NATURE
    Lets see if this one get through, all previous one were blocked , WHAT A HYPOCRISY, LECTURING ARABS ABOUT FREEDOM. There have been instances where dictatorship have done well , the best example is SOUTH KOREA 1960-1985. As BISMARK said the best form of Govt is BENEVOLENT RATIONAL ABSOLUTISM. Not to forget Weimar Republic was such a pandemonium , yet Nazi dictatorship catapulted Germany to a terrifying force to challenge the ancien imperialist.
    Then again the problem with Bismark’s prescription is that you can neither guarantee benevolence or rationality , only thing you can guarantee is absolutism

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  • Ganesh

    Are you suggesting that Omar Abdullah has a right to host the flag in shrinagar and no one else? I mean what kinda article is this?

    To be clear with my intent, I am completely supportive of the families who lost their lives in the stone pelting episodes this year but I am also supportive of the military there. Come on guys, you have guns in your hands, killings in your mind, Pakistan in your heart and opposition to tiranga comes from there. Not only BJP but every citizen has a right to hoist the flag anywhere in India.

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  • Nkautalya

    If a separatist voices his anti-Indian stance then, it’s freedom of speech, however if BJP or any one tries to hoist an indian flag then the PM of nation and media displays the action as communal or anti-Indian.
    The comment by PM and media is biggest joke of the century.

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  • Bala Varadarajan

    I dont believe this. Zia, what are you really advocating – handing over Kashmir to Pakistan. Would you be satisfied with that and move to Pakistan and live happily under Islamic laws. Or are you advocating this as the first step towards Islamisation of the whole India and enforce medieval laws and push the women behind purdah.

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  • Preet

    I support BJP on this.

    I am sick and tired of being blackmailed by Kashmir muslims for the past 64 years. They are being treated with kid gloves. Those who quote 90000 killed in over 25 years and presence of 7,50,000 indian troops in Kashmir must know that India does not need over half a million of troops to kill 90000 and also compare with how many people have been killed all over the world in the proxywar hit zones in the last 25 years. Congress is notorious for buying peace at the cost of ignoring direct thrreats to national security and than over reacts like it did in 1984 in Punjab to show to general public how it defend the national security.
    UN resolutions mean nothing as Pakistan buried any prospects of so called plebicite by gifting away a part of J&K including Aksai Chin to China.. and “we want azadi” is not a reason for countries to be broken-up. It is nothng but lack of firmness on the part of India’s politica leadership that Kashmiri separatists continue with their unjustified and unacceptable dramas to get publicity.

    Let it be truning point and I don’t care how it goes. I know
    like always my comments will not be published but neverthe less I want to register my support to take the bull by its horns. I

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  • Ramesh

    What a traitor this writer is !

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  • RB

    Itching to reply- why not kasmiri Muslims do something to heal
    Wounds of Kashmiri pandits , that would be a good
    Start and your daughter will approve too!!

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  • Shiuli

    What is a civic society?

    In today’s term Civilization is best defined as to what we forbid more than what we permit.
    The current incidences in India lead to an exceptional notion of not Civic but a Civil society.
    I use the term civil because apart from the synonym of being common, collective, mutual and joint it also has a vocab of communal. In the political affairs actually the stance of BJP to put up the National Flag of India in Kashmir is the triumph card now being used by the Central Govt’ and the CM of Kashmir, Omar Abdullah. The flavour of Communalism is the best card to play as the current govt’ faces internal problems from its own party.
    As the scams started to surface, one after the other, the govt’ had to shift the focus from their wrong doings to something more easy prey. And now the country’s media plays along with the tune to highlight the Issue of Hoisting India’s “National Flag” in one of its own states run by one of its ineffectual govt’!

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    abhi Reply:

    Was it Chamberlain in 1939 who came up with the brilliant idea of “peace at any cost” in his dealings with Hitler? It didn’t work. And it would not work in Kashmir.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Islam is hitler of today with 1.5 billion heads…

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    ram autar Reply:

    hinduism is father of rascism and terrorism.

    ram autar Reply:

    A group of muslim EDUCATED youth attacks most powerful country US on 9/11 killing close to 3000 people.

    750 top intellectuals of america confirmed through signed letter that it was inside job.assemand has shown ur true face.verdict on dara and afzal guru showed what brhmnsm is.
    hate lies killing and fraud is ur staple food.

    Rahul Reply:

    dear writer…

    Please..please stop this. The Indians will not buy this argument anymore. Go and tell the kashmiris the same thing. we also want to live in peace. we would also like to live in a secular atmosphere. But this hypocrisy of pseudo-secularism will not be tolerated anymore. The flag hoisting does not symbolises Hinduism. It represents India. The green part of our flag symbolises the Islamic religion…Its our every right to tell the separatists that there threats will not be appeased anymore.

    Every Indian…whether Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Buddhists, Jain…etc..should support this march…remember I am not asking to support BJP, but the message…

    mohan Reply:

    so raj dictates every time zia writes about kashmir he has to refer to the plight of pandits..otherwise he is a terrorist,fundamentalist,what else muslim..and he even envisages of a day when all will unite to wipe out muslims from the face of earth…a true representative of a tolerant,inclusive,benevolent religion …what did the sangh parivar do to alleviate the problems of the pandits when they were in power?
    zia has rightly worded the agenda behind bjp’s flag hoisting drama…it is nothing but pulling a stunt..to appease the asinine jingoists…well done zia..it is hilarious to watch the rabid rantings of the sangh band.

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    ram autar Reply:

    PUNDITS WERE REMOVED BY JAGMOHAN ,A HINDU,NAAZI TO COMMUNALIZE THE PROBLEMS.all their houses properties and religious places are intact.mzlms of valley are welcoming them with open arms those who return back..brhmnst are responsible for their plight.they are using them for propaganda pupose.these brhmnst are responsible for all their pains.

  • rajeev dua

    That’s rich and juvenile. You are saying, don’t do what is constitutionally correct because it’ll upset some people in Kashmir. You might as well take the clue from Arundhati Roy and declare Kashmir as not a part of India. Well done!

    `They call me Muslim’; What would you prefer to be called mate? Could you pl. write a blog explaining this name for your blog?

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  • SS USA

    The matter is actually quite simple. If J&K is an integral part of India, the national flag can be hoisted by anyone anywhere in that state. If it is not part of India, take down all the national flags flying anywhere in J&K. Somewhere I read that the government of J&K has “closed its borders”. Shame on you Mr. Prime Minister. You should send the troops to accompany the flag hoisters. If they are doing it for petty political reasons, you would have stolen their thunder. Now you risk looking like an idiot, and worse, unpatriotic.

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  • Raj

    See the level of audacity of muslims..
    Now this “journalist” is dare to say that hoisting the Indian Flag on Indian soil is “rash plan”.
    How come the people of Jammu and Kashmir are offended by hoisting of Indian flag even after receiving thousands of crores from India?

    Jammu and Kashmir is a state where both the Central and state governments are unable to collect substantial revenue. In 2008-09, the Centre collected direct taxes amounting to Rs 335,000 crore nationwide. In J & K, however, it could collect only Rs 452 crore. Only two tax payers, notably Jammu and Kashmir Bank Ltd and Sun Pharma Ltd, contributed more than Rs 300 crore by way of direct taxes. As regards Central excise, only Rs 62 crore could be collected. Further, it is the Jammu region that yielded the bulk of the Central revenue. The revenue of the state government from its own taxes was only Rs 3011 crore in 2009-10, while the state’s total revenue this fiscal was Rs 19,362 crore. J&K received Rs 1880 crore as its share of Central taxes and Rs 13,232 crore as grants-in-aid from the Centre. A sum of Rs 15,112 crore was received by the Jammu and Kashmir government from the Centre, out of a total revenue of Rs 19,362 crore (78 per cent).

    So who are these people who happily receive all the Indian tax payer’s money and still get offended by the sight of Indian flag?

    Further who is this journalist who is eats, breaths, and sh#^&*ts in free India and still glorifies the acts of the terrorist in J&K?

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    ram autar Reply:

    kashmiris dont want army t go.they are very happy with army.local traders are doining good bussines with them ,without any delhi based bichaolia.army officers are purchsing their materials at high prices.anyone can see lot of prosperity in srinagar now.but brhmnst dont want to solve political as they survive on anarchy.why u commualize the problem.same movements are on eatern part of country with almost seame demands.they are also left unsolved.

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    shan Reply:

    @raj, emotion is one thing , RATIONALITY is another, and HUMANISM is alltogether different. As you are aware this flag hoisting is not just flag hoisting it is also RUBBING IT IN. now if this lead to VIOLENCE who will suffer , and WHO SHOULD BE LEGITAMATELY BLAMED, THE BJP. It is like you know there are some mad dogs, that you avoid prevoking them says a lot about your judgement and good sense, doing otherwise , also proves you are at the same intellectual level as the mad dog.

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    manujsk Reply:

    Why wud violence be there in flag hoisting? No other place in India except some Muslim areas see that. So, what is this violence thing? Are you trying to create unnecessary panic? Did anything happen in 1992, even when terrorism was at its height, when M Joshi hoisted flag? And anyway, you will blame BJP for anything and everything, including whats happening in Pakistan. We care two hoots about that. We have survived and thrived despite the media and people like you.

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    Sohail Reply:

    Why is it so difficult for you to understand that hoisting Indian flag in a country like Pakistan is bound to create problems for both countries.India ends at Gurdaspur and all those trying to reach Srinagar will be dealt with like any illegal entrants into a country without visas.I am sure you Indians also dont let any illegal people into your country.

    raj Reply:

    @shan
    -It is like you know there are some mad dogs,
    — but mad dogs are put down everywhere, except in india as they will loose muslim votes.

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    shan Reply:

    @ Sohail, would you like to tell us where is BAKSHI STADIUM and what colour flag is being unfurled today 26th january.

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  • Raj

    The author of this article should be booked for sedition. He is openly advocating secession of Kashmir. These so called educated muslims are the biggest threat to India and guys like this Zia should be asked to leave India and go to some arab country or Pakistan. His heart bleeds only for muslims in Kashmir and Palestine. Zia is a traitor and should be treated as such. Please stop publishing his articles. I do not wish to see his ugly face on this newspaper.

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  • Raj

    Why does this author not write about the plight of Pandits who have been forced to leave their homes by the extremists? What about the plight of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Bangladesh? The world recognizes the double standards of muslims and will soon unite to destroy this menace. India, US, Russia, Europe and Israel will soon join hands to wipe these scum from the face of the planet.

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    aij Reply:

    it was india who supported banglades and now it’s indian complaining about bangladesh…f—king truth!!

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  • JP

    Bangladesh, Pakistan: Were created for the subcontinents muslims who were not happy with Indias secularism and hindu majority. What they have created on Indian border on either side is for all to see. Yet, they want ANOTHER muslim state carved from India. For what? Better living conditions, healthcare facilities, roads, religion, humanity, better what??

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  • Rajiv

    good article! keep writing…

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  • http://- Rajeev

    It looks like seculars like Zia (actually hardcore soft jehadis) oppose Tricolor hoisting at LAL CHOWK using arguement that it will PROVOKE separatists and create trouble.
    Now there are two cases of so called PROVOCATIONS and you guys decided which is morally right.

    1. A group of muslim EDUCATED youth attacks most powerful country US on 9/11 killing close to 3000 people. Then what we see is muslims insisting on wearing BURQA to empahsise their muslimness in west. They repeatedly bomb non-muslim world. Then after 9 years they have audacity of proposing a MOSQUE (in the garb of cultural center) 2 blocks away from GROUND ZERO. It is equivalent of Nuking KAABA and then after 9 years proposing a church near it. This is FIRST CASE of PROVOCATION.

    2. The Hindus/Buddhists have existed in Kashmir since time immemorial and are farnkly true native of Kashmir but then a large section of cowardly, opportunistic morally corrupt population converts to Islam changing the very basic moral fiber of Kashmir. The native tolerate this then in 1989 half a million hindus are forced to convert/die or leave Kashmir by peace loving muslims. These muslims with the help of their terrorist brothers across the border and world turn Kashmir into a living hell. In 2010 Hurriyat pays lumpen elements to pelt stones of forces who are denied right to defend by so-called pro-muslim secular govt. Most of the Indians feel that it was an attempt to severe Kashmir from rest of India. Now they want to make a statement by hoisting tricolor in lal chowk that Kashmir can not be taken away in the name to cult Islam and its terrorist ideology. This is second case of PROVOCATION.

    Now you guys decide which is bigger PROVOCATION?

    and secondly which party is more responsible for the mess in both the cases?

    US does not give Visa to Modi and may be rightly so (there are some double standards here) but at the same time it has wisdom not to give VISA to soft-terrorists like Zia who in the garb of journalism promote terror against non-muslims.

    This guy Zia is resident HT terror journalist and should be exposed.

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    ram autar Reply:

    give strong kick on the as… of those traitors who want to hoist flag at lal chowk and divide india for political purpose.brhmnst under aadi shankaracharya butchered budhdhists.conversion is liberation from permanent brhmncl slavery and humiliations.

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    ram autar Reply:

    mr shan arabs dictatorshipsand king- ships are far btter to local populations than bloody democracy.which divide the people in groups and subgroups and subgroups.it is for rich by rich.mixed with brhmncl poison common man becomes walking skeleton.like in india.

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    ram autar Reply:

    group of muslim EDUCATED youth attacks most powerful country US on 9/11 killing close to 3000 people

    gundaas of sangh parivar and army of raja killed 250000 residents of jammu on 6th nov.1947.

    america has killed 2 million afterwards and destroyed 2 nations ,WHY NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM.

    AMERICA (LOOTERS AND COWBOYS)TERAA BAAP HAI.

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    manujsk Reply:

    You seriously stink!

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  • Sukumar

    Now again the question of doubt has arised why always such kind of muslim extremists create problem for the whole country.We should never forget we are Indians.Kashmir is & will be a integral part of India always.This kind of behaviour from muslim extremists is not at all accepted.We will do everything to curb such extremism.Its the right of every Indian to waive the national flag wherever he wants to limitless of any state border & kashmir is not a exception.Hats off to BJP for initiating such a move which will again demonstrate that Kashmir is in India.These muslim extremists are not even aware that what is going to happen to them if we stop supporting them & allow them to be separated or get merged with pakistan.Their life is still much more better & they are still receiving special status in all gthe fields by all the levels of govermnets.Well these extremists before raising such unacceptable demands should deeply think the consequences of their separation with us they are alive & secure just because we had deployed all of our armed forces to protect them or else they could have been fucked off either by Pak or Chin.But instead of accepting the truth these fuckers still want to be separated so shame on u cowards…..

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    payal Reply:

    rajeev u always spoil it with ur wishy washy statements…

    anyone against modi is a traitor…and ur hindu feebleness of mindi is revealed by this statement..

    first talk about rajiv gandhi and nehru-gandhi duo and hold them responsible a million deaths in 1947 and all communal riots in india because of their deceision to allow muslims to stay back even after 40 % land demanded by them…

    modi inherited this and there was a plotted godhra train provocation by congress..

    so who shuld be denoed a visa for above and kashmiri pandits and by ur logic so shuld obama and bush because they rkilling muslims in mideast and pakistan in their fight against terror..

    also u say bjp is a shade better…that is like saying sachin is a shade better than nehra in batting
    because both of them make 0s sometimes

    man only hindus can be so moral hypocrites…learn from zia..see how he writes blogs like atypical jihadi enjoying freedoms here which arabia and pakistan dont give..

    i am fed up of soft wishy wsashy hindus like u…bjp is the only one that can save us congress…

    and it is not a shade better just because u cant judge with that wishy washy mind of urs…

    if u were truly moral u wuld be going all out for modi and bjp which is the only hope and far far far better just like sachin is compared to nehra in batting

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    gash Reply:

    kashmir iz not part of india bcz .. Bcz .dis iz a latest truth .. If thy wnt liv wid ind .. If thy r some sepratests .. If thy love ind thn why .. Why govt iz not alowng .bjp. To enter with flag in kashmir ..bcoz truth iz that thy r not some thy are all without hindus .. Thy want selfdetermination it iz written in un. If anybdy give azadi to kashmires it wil be .bjp. With their mistakes like flag march

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    manujsk Reply:

    Can’t agree more. Keep flowing.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Payal, I get ur point ;)

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  • Kedar

    First of all your intention to write is not clear to me. Are you writing this to get more reactions or pageviews ? of course that is your job and not constructive journalism. We have stopped hoping for that from a long time from HT.

    Now about Kashmir. What BJP is doing today is opportunistic but it is the only thing they can do today. They can not open the office in the city since whoever will sit in that office will be dead with in a month or will be raped in a month. That is the reality of Kashmir. Real problem to the solution was removal of article 370. BJP never came in power on its own so it could not do this. Once that article is gone, this is not a Palestinian situation. Kashmir is integral part of India. It has been and it will be. The only reason Muslims could not dominate hindus in Kashmir was about the sober nature of hindus. There was never real chance to selling their properties to outsiders so they can come in assimilate in people. That’s the way this problem could be solved. Give them work in other parts of India. Never happened. Can BJP do anything about that ? Not at the moment. But rest of the country is forgetting about Kashmir and they need this patriotic rekindling in between so they can think about a nation rather than what happened between Salman and Vivek. That is what it is trying to do. Wake up the nation. If this is gives firepower to separatists so be it. It is not like they were not going to find a dummy rape to fire up people again. I am pretty sure they will find some cause or other next time. It is a very precise effort.

    So please stop attacking BJP on weak points. History has shown us one thing (unfortunately). Muslims leaders never let their people be calm. Whenever they are minority they will always keep some issue burning and will make their followers sacrifice their normal routine life in the name of religion. When they get in majority, they will evict every other religion. Survive and stay in peace and harmony is against the so called religious faiths.

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  • Kumar

    HI Mr. Honourble writer,

    As we all know or understood by what happens in 2g scam, Media is turned Ugly and it is biased on Money, INC and curruption rather truth. I Still dont understand what is the point of objecting tricolor in Lal chouk by doing so we are agreeing that J&K is not part of INDIA. R u trying to reveal the same then Do it as a point, don’t try to blame some one bold enough to say J&k is part of india. Why dont write much about when seperatists were hoist Pak flag last year..What ever BJP is doing right. we all feel there is nothing wrong about It. Dont try to rub ur timid openions on ours.

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  • sadhu vedant muni

    If B J P wants flag hoisting in LAL CHOWK no problems to any body either state or central governments. there is a local BJ P workers and leaders available in KASHMIR . I THINK THAT I AM ALSO HOISTING NATIONAL FLAG IN independent day and in republic day since 20 years. it is a hardly one minute time function and for the B J P is carrying thousands workers for the ceremony is not acceptable to me. during the TRINGA YATRA whole country is worried and thousands workers are wasting time,money, energy ad food. every moments in tension that unfortunate situation may occur. during the course of the function the game of uncertainty is there men power are wasting in wrong directions. it is nothing only conflict management is there. no body is interested to respect the opinion of others. if we will apply one word BHEE(ALSO) IN PLACE OF HEE (HAVE TO ) . IT IS A VERY DELICATE ISSUE AND ONLY THE SOLUTION IS BHEE . if BJ P workers want flag hoisting in peaceful atmosphere so there will be no problems to ruling govts in state as well as incentral. but it is true that when huge gatherings will be there so no surety of peace because in the mobs some miscreants will try to create nuisance and the chances of disturbances may convert in to blood sheds, property damages,inquiry will set up. sufferers will suffer life long. how much money is wasting for a small cause. it is a egoistic fight and is true no body will be benefited by this act. end will not peaceful. during this course of time the men power can convert their energy in constructive form. still our country is facing many many problems like corruption, illiteracy, health,, education, roads, electricity poverty,. i can say with authority the J & K problem is a in curable disease like cancer , AIDS. THE BROTHERS ARE ALWAYS GOOD FRIENDS AND REMAINS BEST ENEMIES. this dispute is endless and no politicians want permanent solution of J& K because the election manifesto will be no where and in other hands the defense expenses will minimized. this dispute will not be solved at any cast . it will go to generation to generation .only solution is to apply BHEE in place of hee and to respect the opinions of others and treat them in the views of universe is one family.it is time to reconsider the issue and save our country from bloodsheds.

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  • ram autar

    kashmir is annexed terrotery.was never part of india.general kashmiri wants to be with india in loose federation.whenevr peace sarts`descending brhmncl agents in army and paramillitary organization kill their children to ignite the atmosphere.brhmnsm cannot survive without war and violence.that is why all over history they perfected themslves in the art of war , sex.and lies.

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  • Vikram

    I agree with you. we should focus on dealing with the Rajas, Kalmadis of India and then deal with the situation in Kashmir. no need to aggravate that at this point. Even though I would hate the fact that the Tiranga is not encouraged to be flown on Indian soil we should learn to pick our fights.

    I actually agree with you ZIa. for a change. the other guys are unrealistic loonies. In fact I think the biggest enemy which India faces is not Pakistan or China or the jihadists or the maoists it is the corrupt neta- babu combine which I believe is unfortunately mostly Hindu. These traitors and their benefited extended families should be chopped into pieces. Once these lechers are removed from the Indian core the resultant strength itself will be able to ward of all these scavengers the pakistanis etc who torment us now. and until our core is weak any galli ka kutta will come and piss all over us

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  • s chadha

    If one may ask zia , what has one achieved in last 60 years in kashmir in spite of treating it as a special entity / what has one achieved by not hoisting the flag at lal chowk since 1992 /?
    We have ,by allowing kashmir to be viewed as a special entity , having its own rules ,played into the hands of the separatists . Whether bjp hoists he flag or not the situation is not going to change
    The problem is mainly communal —-i think it was gellani who some time back in a interview said that kashmir had a muslim majority hence they wanted to follow that religion in that area —to follow it they require a separate state . Qed.That is the plain truth —al other considerations , talks viz winning the hearts and minds , development , employments etc are all rubbish and politicians talk to cover their own mistakes which have brought about this situation .
    It is a inalienable truth that a sizeable muslim minority puts a strain and makes demands on a countrys body and social politic as they consider themselves a separate and if one may say a superior community to other cultures and religions —–we see it in india as we see it in the rest of the world . A illegal mosque was demolished on the orders of the court in delhi and there was a furore —-in this secular country the chief minister went repeat urgently went to meet the imam bukhari to try resolve the situation and assure him that it will be built—mulyam singh came down from lucknow to utter words that even a illegal mosque was sacrosant as it was a symbol of the muslim faith . This in a area / delhiwhere the muslim population is 20 pcnt –in valley kashmir it is more than 80 pcnt so the religious coloring and proclivities and temper is well seen and understood
    You can hoist the flag in ladakh , in jammu but not in the valley ? why ? because of its preminent muslim majority which does not permit this ? that is the plain truth
    it is not about hoisting the flag –it is about the warped sense of secularism , integration ,patroitism , and conditions of peace which is being asked of the country
    The plain truth is that we have a problem with muslim separatism which is showing up in kashmir as there their numbers are more —but psychologically this problem is there all over the country

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    shan Reply:

    chaddha, dont spread falsehood, tricolour is unfurled in bakshi stadium and all Govt buildings. till recently no INDIVIDUAL could hoist the national flag from his roof top.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I concede that BJP’s aim is political but don’t forget that Lal Chowk has been symbol of Kashmiri separatism and Indian attempt to assert its integrity.

    It is no secret that Separatists unfurl Pakistani flags on 14th August at Lal Chowk so let us have unfurling of tricolor just for a change.

    I am pretty sure Bangladeshi will start objecting to Tricolor in Kolkata..What will status quoist cowards do then?

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, first we should give credit Zia for not blocking our posts as it happened when I replied to you in that spineless coward twerp chikermane(never come across such an alien surname)blog. Now coming to your reply. There is a thing called the BROADER PICTURE. As the saying in England goes “You can live with infidelity , but you can’t live with indifference”. Indifference is a much potent weapon . As to bangladeshi objecting to tricolour , there are mohallas in park circus area where Pakistani flag is unfurled. This is a sad reflection of the state of affairs with the muslims, essentially they are downright stupid, you dont need to be angry , you need to be saddened at their imbecility and pigheadedness. Same thing I see in UK day in day out . Hijab with Calvin Klein inscribed on it. If somebody is looking for a fight , the greatest pain you cause is by denying those morons a chance for a fight . As for the these irritants , they do untold harm to their fellow muslims. ALSO SPARE A THOUGHT FOR THE HAPLESS POOR WHO WILL BEAR ALLTHE BRUNT FOR THIS MISADVENTURE OF BJP.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Ever heard of “Gehu ke saath ghun bhi pista hai”. In the larger interest of nation, some collateral damage is acceptable else these separatists will consider us wimps and kick our a$$es day in day out.

    I fail to understand why can’t India handle Kashmir the way China handles Tibet. You see no one dares question China on Tibet despite the fact that Tibet was a FREE country that was occupied by China whereas Kashmir was never Independent and has always belonged to India.

    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev ,I fail to understand why can’t India handle Kashmir the way China handles Tibet.
    The answer is simple really , not rocket science , in India people do a thing called VOTING, in India we can speak our heart out on the internet (refer to google incident in china)
    ALSO WHY CAN’T INDIANS EAT FRIED COCKROACHES AND CATS(that however caused SARS) andTIGER’S PENIS LIKE THE CHINESE DO.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Indian Army and defence doesn’t work on the basis of VOTES..You are sadly mistaken. The reason we can’t handle Kashmir like Tibet is that we suffer from acute inferiority complex and cowardice (also called non-violence).

    Have you ever wondered how 17% of muslim people keeps 80% of hindu population terrorised? It is because 17% of muslims are introduced to kiiling in their childhood (BAKRI-EID) so they are not afraid to spill blood. I have myself seen 5 year old muslim kid watching GOAT being slaughtered and then saw him palying around dead goat. Have you ever seen hindu kid doing that?

    I wish we were a culture where CATS and Fried Cockroaches were eaten. If that was done, we would not such COWARDS.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Zia should give us credit for tolerating his soft-terrorism. In a country like US, he would be reported to FBI.

    ram autar Reply:

    it is not about hoisting the flag –it is about the warped sense of secularism , integration ,patroitism , and conditions of peace which is being asked of the country

    chadhdha you dont feel shame of talking of secularism for a country ,where rowdy communal murderous brigade of brhmnsts planned and excuted 600plus riots ,killing thousands of innocent muslims and destroying billions worth of their property.when riot became difficult,same criminals started the game of bomb planting,hurting the poors more.

    now the same danga brigade has gone to kashmir with sole purpose of spreading pioson of hatred
    and disturbing peace.i know many kashmiris who were sepratist but later change their view and now pro-indian.peace will change the mood of people.something sepratist and danga brigade of rss do not want.

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  • raj

    First, ordinary Kashmiris may see it as a needless attempt to scratch their backs –
    does this include sikh, hindus, buddhist & other religious people living there. why do you care more about muslims than other religions in india. as indians everyone is equal. another bad image for religion of peace, & author wonders why muslims are negative stereotyped.

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  • Vinay

    Omar is speaking about Kashmir sentiments. Keeping his family in Delhi, taking frequent time off from Kashmir, he has left the state for separatists to rule. Now he says, he will not let BJP to hoist the flag. If their family had worked honestly since independence, Kashmir would not have been in this state. Why to blame BJP?

    Coming to flag hoisting,

    Is BJP’s move patriotic? : I suppose, it is more opportunistic and manipulative. In todays world, nobody (party) is patriotic (as far as flag hoisting is concerned). Every party is corrupt. Most of us, who speak patriotic words in this blog will get up late on the day to enjoy a holiday. Those who get up early must be working abroad. Then why the hypocrisy?
    BJP is churning out one more short term policy. I wish God to give to them some brain. Let them come out with some developmental strategies (like Bihar, Gujarat) to counter corrupt Congress, than this Tiranga gimmicks.

    Is it legal? Will it boil Kashmir?: If it is not legal, then why Omar hoists the flag every year? Why the flag is hoisted on government buildings in Kashmir? Does this imply Kashmir does not feel agitated if Omar hoists, but it gets irritated if BJP hoists? Then why not a Kashmiri himself hoist the flag in Lal Chowk?
    What is the point in Omar taking a confrontational approach? Let him allow BJP to enter, let an NCP worker hoist the Indian flag before BJP reach the scene. Omar can satisfy himself, that he did not let BJP to hoist the flag and he can insult BJP (without humiliating Indian sentiments).

    During Hubli Edga Maidan problem, when the issue got tense between BJP and Edga people (who had claimed, it was a private property not a public place), ex CM(PM) Devegowda intervened and he made the Edga people (Muslims) to hoist the flag and ended the chapter. A not so educated farmer could solve the issue, what is the problem with these morons? Their brain only works if it sees 1lakh crores.

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    raj Reply:

    Is BJP’s move patriotic? – why question bjp. this is similar to amarnath yatra, 2 years back, when muslims did not want to give more space for yatris. now they don’t want to raise indian flag. its the double standards in indian secularism which BJP is exposing & exploiting. its again the islam terrorising which you don’t want to see & or want to put end to it. Just appease them or there will be violence. But why should there be voilence for raising indian flag. they get voilent for various reasons from novels to cartoons.

    mean while author does not comes with strong words when pakkstan flags were raised in kashmir or extra land given to yatris.

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  • Ravi

    For democracy to function properly, it is essential to have an elected opposition to an elected government.

    The question is, is BJP an effective opposition to the Congress or not. I suggest Not.

    BJP has always preferred to rely on GIMMICKS to deliver votes than to have an alternative set of policies. BJP has no policies and that is why it looses time and again.

    BJP is nothing more than a political façade for the vehemently anti Muslim, and a violent Hindu Fundamentalist organisation the RSS.

    The raising of Tricolour in Lal Chowk is nothing more than a GIMMICK, whose design is nothing more than to antagonise the Muslim community and to draw public’s attention away from a number of cases – against members of the RSS – which are currently going through the courts.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I know for Talibanis like you the ultimate dream is to urfurl the Islamic flag (or pakistan) at Lal Qila.

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    ram autar Reply:

    know for Talibanis like you the ultimate dream is to urfurl the Islamic flag (or pakistan) at Lal Qila

    any proof no.but what is wrong hindu terrorist wants bhajwa saffron to be unfurl there.u are only 15% and have only 5%support from ur caste.green flag supporters don not have even 1%supporters.

    u have no mudda hence making non-issues as problem of nation.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I know BJP is playing politics with this Tiranga Yatra but reaction of Separatists and Pro-congress lobby is simply shocking. Now it is amply clear that LeT/IM/ISI/HuJI/SIMI are true allies of UPA and vice versa.

    Now we understand why Rahul Gandhi bats for LeT..after all both have same goal of bleeding India.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    BjP. whether it has any ulterior motive or not, should raise the flag wherever they want. The audacity to suggest that they should not raise the national flag in Kashmir, lest it will trigger violence and anti-Indian feelings, is simply unbelievable, unbearable,a nd intolerable for any Indian- Hiondu, Musllim, Christian, Sikh, Budhist, aethist, whatever.

    I have stated many times in these blogs that we just cannot go on doing the Nehru mistake. let blood flow, let us fix this once and for all. Does China care about what the world says about Tibet? Or what soem/all Tibetans say about China’s integration of Tiibet.

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    ram autar Reply:

    Brahminism is a mental problem. Zionism has produced many critics within the Jews. But to this day we do not have one single honest, genuine critic of Brahminism among Brahmins. Brahminism, therefore, is a more serious problem compared to zionism.

    Except the North-East India, nowhere Christianity has been able to fight Brahminism.

    In the North-East, the church succeeded because the Mongoloid tribals are not Hindu and hence free from Brahminism. Today the North-East people are sought in all parts of India for their honesty, hard work, discipline. Their women are wonderful. Bangalore has thousands of them.

    Periyar E.V. Ramasamy, who is ranked next only to Babasaheb Ambedkar, was once asked by Gandhi: “Is there no good Brahmin”. His answer was: “The only good Brahmin is the dead Brahmin

    That is why ever since Brahminism came to India, they have not produced a single revolutionary. All the greatest revolutionaries of India are not only non-Brahmin but anti-Brahmin.

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    Raghavendra Reply:

    ram autar

    i have to pity your knowledge. look at noble award winners most of them are from a caste you hate so much. most of them are brahmins. truth is brahmins in india have the ability to compete with best brains in america and europe.

    dont forget Dr ambedkar’s original surname was Amabawadekar. and he changed his surname as AMBEDKAR in memory of a BRAHMIN teacher who recognised talent in Dr Ambedkar and encouraged him. with out that BRAHMIN teacher india would not have got Dr Ambedkar. you should be indebted to BRAHMINs and not hate them my dear.
    you talked about PERIYAR his followers today are number one in oppressing DALITS in Tamilnadu.
    don distort history ram autar.

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    ram autar Reply:

    ..ha,

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    ram autar Reply:

    raghvendra jee i hate brhmnsm not brhmns.brhmns are first victim of brhmnsm.like jews are first victim of zoinism.dont take it personal.

    ram autar Reply:

    all these changes u find in him(ambedkar) ,because his wife was brhmn.who killed him with the help of his boyfriend ,a doctor, mshsrshtrian brhmn.

  • ram autar

    there are mohallas in park circus area where Pakistani flag is unfurled. This is a sad reflection of the state of affairs with the

    shan muslims of west bengal can fly bangladesh flag.pakistai flags are hoisted by GURGAS OF SNGH PARIVAR to accentuate hindu-muslim politics.this has zero suppor tin muslims..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    It looks like Kashmiris are very emotional and can get very disturbed at the sight of Tiranga. Not only should India take down Tiranga all over Kashmir but also recall its security forces because the presence of security forces and everything Indian upset Kashmiris.
    Why not just dissolve this union? At least it will make kashmiris happy and may be Indian muslims too.
    It’s time to become a PROSTITUTE in Asia so that everyone can f*ck India at will.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Frannkly speaking If Indians are so afraid of Separatists, Chinese, pakis, bangladeshis etc., why do we have massive Army, Airforce and navy? Are they there to do MUJRA?

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, the real mujra is SHASHI KAPPOR getting padmabhushan, kajol getting padmashree, and yes tendulkar getting bharat ratna for a game played by at most fifteen countries in the world out of hundreed fifty. No science doesn’t matter , seriously thinking of changing my nationality.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The day Bharat ratna was given to CHOR Rajiv gandhi, it lost its value.

    Can you imagine Saif Ali khan getting padam shri ahead of tabu and kajol?

    I guess Sharmila tagaore (muslim name SULTANA) licked Sonia’s feet pretty good last year.

    They are giving Padam Bhusan to Shashi kapoor because they know he may not live very long. As far as tendulkar is concerned, Indian consider Cricket as religion and Italy as their mother country so let them enjoy their ratnas.

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    Our flags is the one most Kashmiri’s fly when they come in hundrends of thousands…You know that is not your tri-color.

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    shan Reply:

    @Mumtaz Mir, Your flag is a flag with skulls and daggers. It only means DOOM. Hopefully there are enough SANE people in Kashmir , who will rise up against the tyranny of Islamic barbarism or obscuranism.

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    I live in Kashmir and your army is one committing atrocities and lots of those cowards are committing suicide.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    STFU

    raj Reply:

    oops you forgot the atrocity of muslims ,driving out pandits, buddhist & sikh from kashmir.
    this is the problem when muslims become majority .
    inshallah , you live under taleban, you wouldn’t hv this privelage of using internet or going to school, may be you are already married to a mulla with 1o kids by now.
    be happy you live in india enjoy the benefits of decmocracy.

    Rajeev Reply:

    But you should know 6 billion people all over the world use Pakistani flag to wipe their rear..

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    raj Reply:

    can u pls explain why islam is having problem sharing space with other religions.
    2 yrs back you did not give space for amarnath yatris,
    islam has probelm with vande matharam,
    islam has problem with national flag,
    islam has problem with novels,
    islam has problem with cartoons,
    islam has problem with tasleema , what is problem with islam.

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    ram autar Reply:

    2 yrs back you did not give space for amarnath yatris
    AMARNATH IS A FRAUD ON INDIANS ITS PERPETUATORS SHOULD GO TO JAIL.
    slam has probelm with vande matharam
    MUSLIMS AND MANY OTHER MINORITIES AND NON VEDIC OF INDIA HAS PROBLEM WITH THIS NOTORIOUS ANTI-NATIONAL SONG WHICH PRAISE ONLY IMAGINARY DEVIS OF BENGAL INSTEAD OF BHARAT VARSH.THIS IS WRITTEN BY BRHMN TERRORIST TAITOR \
    OF BENGAL.BANKIM CHANDRA CHATTERJEE.WHO COLLABORATED WITH FORIEGN INVADERS.establish their rule who starved to death half thepopulation of bengal bihar and assam
    in first 50 years of their rule.song is originally is war cry agianst muslims.dont deserve to be national song.
    islam or muslims have no problem with national flag.
    islam has problem with novels,
    so every race nothing new.
    islam ha problem with cartoons
    dont make to do anything to hurt others.
    islam has problem with tasleema , what is problem with islam.

    u shelter her only to hurt muslims.otherwise u have murdered more than billion women in sati and other nonsense prathas.

    DONT FOR GET HINDUISM IS FATHER OF RASCISM,APARTHEISM AND FASCISM

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    raj Reply:

    you are the one who praised beleivers, so when you answer next time don’t compare kaffirs and other relegions. ok
    now write the answers again.

    raj Reply:

    AMARNATH IS A FRAUD ON INDIANS ITS PERPETUATORS SHOULD GO TO JAIL.
    — talked like a true beleiver… and the reason to go to jail is _______ (give 3 reasons)
    MUSLIMS AND MANY OTHER MINORITIES
    —- no, its was only muslims , buddhist, jains, sikh, ahamedia, sufi hv no problem
    so every race nothing new.
    – stop now, islam is not a race, its a religion. iam indian by race, i am muslim can & convert to christian tomorrow, but i cannot become chinese race (like cannot change face like chinese…)
    – if islam like all, has so many problems, how is it superior to others as you project here.

  • shan

    @Rajeev, India can hardly be accused of cowardice, REMEMBER BANGLADESH WAR AND AMERICAN THREAT WITH SEVENTH FLEET. Also think about Arunachal pradesh , they would rather commit mass suicide than accede to china. THE MORONS OF THE KASHMIR VALLEY SHOULD REFLECT ON THIS. Also another 26/11 , and you will see the dismemberment of Pakistan.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Those days are long gone…The last brave act was in 1998 when we defied world and did Pokharan. Remember Manmohan Singh cried hoarse saying India will be doomed after sanctions.

    We are now governed by a Italian Mafiaso lady who has no love for India, her dirty work is done by stupid impotent PM…and then heir apparent has openly come out in support of Islamic terror.

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    ram autar Reply:

    POKHRAN WAS A FAILED EXPERIMENT.KALAM WAS MADE PRESIDENT TO HIDE THIS FACT.
    U MORONE MADE PAKISTAN A NUCLEAR STATE DUE TO THIS STUPIDITY.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, I agree about the DUMBO italian, agree about the WIMP primeminister, and a dumbo will give birth to a dumbo.

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    Only when someone’s backing your coward india will you fight the Pakistani otherwise just threats….

    what happened when you cowards mobilized 1 million soldiers…..who finally backed off

    Tum hara baap bhee nahi dismember ker sakta

    Kashmir is our and ONLY Pakistani flag flies here understand that

    Now take your toilet paper tri-color out of our State

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    Rajeev Reply:

    1971…1971…1971…We will do it again in Balochistan…There will be no pakistan left..as far as kashmiris are concerned, they don’t want to be with terrorist state of pukistan.

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    ram autar Reply:

    MUMTAZ MIR IS SANGHI WITH ASSUMED NAME.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    !971 is gone…that is why you guys are crying Pakistan is doing this Kashmir and that in Kashmir but can’t do anything about it, can you Rajeev….You know why Rajeev we got the same Masala as you guys and we will use it when needed. Last one of your brave pilots tried to cross the border and he was shot down.

    Mumtaz bhai don’t loose hope these buniya’s will and are paying the price…And that is exactly why they will not fly that tr-color toilet paper in Kashmir.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    2011 is about to come when Balochistan will be made free..that’s a promise..till then enjoy drone strike topped with taliban attacks… :)

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    ram autar Reply:

    rajeev ,u r brhmnst ,u criminals will always toe a line where moolnivasis are killed and u make money through war and violence.u dont want peaceful solution of anything.u bstrds demolish babri mosque to divde india.61 china war was ignited by nehru by inslting chao-in-lie.1 lac soldiers of indian origin were killed.u celeberated this mascare and start looting india,u spread fear to purchase arms and transfer development budghet into war budghet.and make money through commissions.hide this fortune to ashrams and swiss banks.this is the truth of ur patriotism and jingoism.

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    ram autar Reply:

    RAJEEV/SHAN,UR Anti-Pakistan/anti -muslim or anti-kashmir war-mongering has no takers as 85%of indian bahujans want peace.u peole have already eaten their body,only the soul is left,u are after their redidue now..they know u have personal interest in this cunning jingoism.

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    ram autar Reply:

    redidu pls read residue

    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    Rajeev you forgot when you took on a similar size country China and we all know what happened. Why your papa forgot to tell you

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    Rajeev Reply:

    But don’t forget we still host FREE TIBET govt. in India. We have china by the balls. We lost in 1962 because of our pacifist leadership but 20 years down the line China will have 80% old people whereas India will have 80% young. We will beat the **** out of old chinese farts…just wait for the time..oh sorry..by that time there will be no pakistan left.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/BJP-s-flag-march-in-Jammu-amp-Kashmir-fizzles-out/H1-Article1-654864.aspx

    Heck you can’t even fly the tri-color in Kashmir what are you talking about Balouchistan.

    “Tumhare chote chote tukde kar ke aas pados ke kutton ko daal denge….tumhare prophet ki kasam.” Boy truth really hurts, Rajeev baita calm down

    Rajeev Reply:

    Beta hoga tera baap… It was pro-pakistan congress govt. who stopped Indians from hoisting flag…Tum aur separatists ko to hindustan joote ki nonk par rakhta hai..bhool gaye 125 killed..just few months back…We will turn kashmir into a kabristan if they behave like pakistani pig…tumhare pagle prophet ki Qasam..

    We will continue to urfurl tricolor in Kashmir till eternity. God willing we will decimate pakistan and unfurl our flag in Lahore.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Rajeev seriously by you talking like a mad and emotional dog is not going to change ground realities in Kashmir…..In this day and age your mahabharat cannot do anything and but I understand your frustration because your dad told you otherwise.

    By abusing nothing is going to happen, the Pakistani has been, is and will keep flying in Kashmir,ain’t nothing you can do about it. Sit back, chill out and drink some Moraji Desai’s cold cow drink

    Rajeev Reply:

    Yes, you should drink Mohammad Drink (Camel Piss) and keep deluding yourself. You can not do anything more than unfurling **** flag..that too chori chori..We will keep pumping bullets in your Namazi a$$.

    KD Reply:

    And yet another !!

    ram autar Reply:

    India’s silent genocide
    Hindustan Times
    Samar Halarnkar, January 26, 2011First Published: 21:24 IST(26/1/2011)
    Last Updated: 21:31 IST(26/1/2011)Share more…7 Comments Email print

    I remember being disturbed enough to stop watching the 2003 Hindi movie Matrubhumi(motherland). Set in the future, it depicted an Indian village populated only by men. It gets that way after a man, yearning for a boy, publicly drowns his newborn girl in a vat of milk, sparking a custom that wipes out women. So the men watch porn, fornicate with farm animals. A father marries his five sons to a woman from the outside and the six men take turns raping her. Eventually more men in the village get involved. She is tied to the cow shed and gangraped every night.

    Matrubhumi was excessively brutal, I thought, but it addressed a silent, growing genocide that emerging India prefers to ignore.

    At least 1,370 girls are aborted every day in India. For perspective, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died before being born. More are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash.

    This is mass murder on a scale unseen in any other country this century. Only China runs us close. The overall Indian sex ratio should be at least 950 women to 1,000 men (Nature produces more males than females as boys are more vulnerable to infant diseases than girls). But the child sex ratio, the number of girls to every 1,000 boys in the age group zero to six, has dropped from 1,010 girls in 1941 to 945 in 1991 to 927 in 2001, according to census figures. The 2011 census will reveal a further decline based on mostly disturbing trends.

    First, explosive economic growth has driven survival rates of girls under six in northern India to an all-time low. Families are shrinking, but in doing so they are aborting more girls than ever, says a study, funded by the charity ActionAid, across five northern states.

    “It was a girl, we paid Rs1,200 and got it over with,” was one response researchers got from a middle-class family in Himachal Pradesh, the only northern state with an acceptable sex ratio (968).

    Second, the spread of ultrasound machines that can determine the sex of a foetus has hastened the killing of girls since the 1980s. A nationwide ban on sex-selective abortion has failed. Ravinder Kaur, a sociology professor at the Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi, told me how in the formerly dacoit-infested district of Morena in Madhya Pradesh she found portable ultrasound machines in villages bereft of basic healthcare.

    Third, relatively prosperous urban areas are killing more girls than rural areas. The sex ratio in rural India is 946; in urban India it is 900. Predominantly rural and poor Chhattisgarh (989) and Orissa (972) are doing fine. In the richest state, Punjab, the sex ratio at birth, as revealed by the 2006 National Family Health Survey, had declined to 776 from 793 in 2001 (urban Punjab: 761). Neighbouring, and equally prosperous, Haryana boasts India’s worst sex ratio: 861 women for every 1,000 men.

    The north is producing millions of excess young men. Crime rates are high and rising. So is violence against women. “Our community is known for female foeticide,” observed Commonwealth discus-throw champion Krishna Poonia, referring to her upper-class, prosperous Jat community.

    Fourth, there is hope in the southern states and isolated pockets elsewhere. Tamil Nadu has India’s best sex ratio with 1,058 women for every 1,000 men. Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala are doing well. For those who believe killing girls is an exclusively northern problem, Maharashtra (922) and Gujarat (920) are cause for great worry. South Mumbai, one of India’s richest areas, has one of its worst sex ratios. In the east, West Bengal is rapidly improving. Highly educated Mizoram (935) is not doing well, while poorer Manipur (978) is well above the norm.

    Killings in the south have receded, but regressive attitudes remain. A leading Bangalore lawyer, who wanted to send her daughter to an expensive, top-grade school, told me this reaction from her upper-class friend: “We sent our son there, not our daughter. Why do you want to spend so much money on a girl?” Dowries in the south are among the highest in India.

    The cycle of discrimination is reinforced by the subtle degradation of women in the popular media, from the discriminatory (women performing subservient, domestic roles in advertisements) to the shameful. I refer you to Rishton Se Badhi Pratha (customs are greater than relationships), one of many regressive but popular television serials. “The explicit scenes of torture being inflicted on a female character is (sic) barbaric,” said the ministry of information and broadcasting in a notice to the channel Colors last month.

    Often, it’ women who abuse and kill their own. Educated or not, many inherit odious traditions from their mothers. Nearly 80% of girls in Patiala’s higher secondary schools did not want a girl, noted a 2010 study by paediatric doctor Harshinder Kaur.

    The horrors of India’s silent genocide were reflected last year by Justices Pradeep Nandrajog and Suresh Kait of the Delhi High Court. “The moral regression of the people of India, ie Bharat, has not been crippled by the penal laws,” the judges said after the trial of a labourer’s wife (a child bride) who strangled her daughter in a Delhi hospital. “She was a baby girl and her arrival was a calamity, she was a poor little thing and the blocking of a puff of wind was enough to put her out. Society had scripted her obituary much before she was born. Her mother only published it.”

    ram autar Reply:

    mr shan,

    The above is the tragic, blood-curdling history of Hindu India. This history has been repeating — endlessly centuries after century.
    If any good-hearted, far-sighted, impartial, noble historian were to come in future, she or he can write the sordid, atrophied, violent, criminal past of India only in letters of blood.

    KD Reply:

    Azharbhai,

    You need to change ‘cant’ to ‘didnt’ . We didnt hoist a flag in lal chowk because our government valued Kashmiri lives more – period.

  • Binoy Hegde

    Islamic terrorists exploded again; this time in Moscow.

    Foreigners who were in the terminal were killed along with Russians .

    BJP or any Indian belonging to any party is free to raise the national flag anywhere. It is secular stupidity to question the motive. Upsetting Mus;lims there – my a-s!

    Moscow will repeat here, unless India owns the Kashmir issue and solve it in a manly way, rathet than appeasing 24 x 7 .

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    ram autar Reply:

    GHANSHAYAM KAHAN THE,HEGDE JEE ,PLS TELL THE BLOGGERS THAT WHEN RUSSIANS ENTERED CHECHENEYA THEIR POPULATION WAS 2MILLION.NOW ONLY 800,000 IS LEFT.they have killed 600000 chechen childrens in last 15yrs.some reaction is bound to come.though the way is wrong.it is not sure if it done by zoinists or by chechens.zoinists are under big pressure there as well.most of their top bussinessmen are in jail.

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    raj Reply:

    some where in pak madrassa,
    hey ram autar, now don’t h be a coward, use your orignal name. russians hv to learn from us about ethnic cleansing, like we did the hindus here. in pakistan….
    you are done for today, now be a good boy & bend. inshallah.

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    raj Reply:

    hey ram !!!
    you are having problem with 0′es again. there is nothing wrong in adding 2 or 3 more 000 to your figures.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Balochis say… “pakistan ka matlab kya l*nd pe chade humko kya”

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    Pakistani Flag Hoisted in Kashmir University

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    Buzz up!vote nowBy Fayaz Wani

    Srinagar, Jan 25, 2011: The situation in Kashmir took a new turn Tuesday evening, when the students of Kashmir University, highest seat of learning in Kashmir, hoisted a Pakistani flag on main gate of the campus.

    The locals of Hazratbal, some 12 kms from the summer capital Srinagar, said that hundreds of students of Kashmir University came out on roads on Wednesday evening. Raising pro-freedom, pro-Pakistan and anti-India slogans, the university students hoisted the Pakistani flag on the main gate of the university. They also removed the “Gandhi Bhavan” board in the campus and raised pro-freedom slogans. The board has been named after the Indian father of nation, Mahatama Gandhi.

    The Pakistani flag was also hoisted on the office of Vice Chancellor’s Secretariat. The Vice Chancellor of Kashmir University, Prof Riyaz Punjabi is the Indian track-II diplomat.

    The students have virtually taken over the control of the University, which is the highest seat of learning. Thousands of students are studying in the university.

    One of the university students was told over phone that the university is witnessing a total revolution with students virtually in control of the University.

    Fayaz Wani reports on life in Srinagar, Kashmir.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Breaking news – Indian Tricolor unfurled all over Balochistan on 26th January.

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    shan Reply:

    Breaking News, The valley have been allowed to seccede now a fortnight. today a pakistani army convoy took over the administrative centre and declared a marshall law. THE ARMY ALSO TOOK FIVE HUNDREED GIRLS AGE 16-25, to the army barracks, the army spokesman said this is to IMPROVE THE BREED OF KASHMIRIS BY INFUSING PUNJABI AND PATHAN BLOOD LIKE THE EXPERIMENT THEY DID IN BANGLADESH

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Your post certainly shows your mindset

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2009/0624/p06s14-woap.html

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    Rajeev Reply:

    :) You are right after all Azhar kind of guys are product of such marshall laws :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    One just has to look at you, in order to measure the success of the Bangladesh experiment.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You talibani..still alive..Survived drone strike..koi baat nahi next time..

  • Azhar Hussain

    Thanks for sharing Mumtaz, be safe and May Gods speed be with you.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Reality vr hallucination

    Pakistani flag is already in Kashmir

    Where as Balouchistan is concerned, there struggle is against the Pakistani government not against Pakistani nation. Most of there demands are legitimate and government is working to alleiivate those issues.

    Now go back to sleep and think how you are going to fly your flag at that chowk or can you?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Balochis have repeatedly unfurled Balochi flag in Lyari. Just google it.

    India own Balochistan i.e. 40% of pakistan. Don’t forget that we divided pakistan in half during 71.

    Tumhare chote chote tukde kar ke aas pados ke kutton ko daal denge….tumhare prophet ki kasam.

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    KD Reply:

    Bhai Rajeev,

    Stop watching too many movies ……you have started sounding like Danny in Ghatak !!

    This ‘We Divided Pakistan’ talk doesnt sound very good to me as an Indian. We didnt divide Pakistan, the Pakistani army did by committing human rights violations in East Pakistan.

    We need to learn from that and make sure Kashmiris are as happy and safe as Gujaratis or Punjabis.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This is the true face of people like Azhar Hussain, Mumtaz Mir and Zia.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q09b6Y_FhTw&feature=related

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Gali Gali mein shor hai..Pakistan mahachor hain…

    Jahiliat ka naam..Islam Islam…

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    KD Reply:

    Illiterate on steroids !

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Ram you are the only sain voice in this forum, so that these Rajeev’s; Rajiv and others don’t sit here and hellucinate about Islam and Pakistan.

    This not propoganda but Proper Danda

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You still have that Danda up you a$$ from 1971…Nice..

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  • Azhar Hussain

    That was 1971…we have big danda up yours in Kashmir and your sorry a$$ can’t even fly your flag…how pathetic is that

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  • shan

    @Mumtaz Mir, Ram Mia et al . The following is a cut and paste from a comment on the You Tube about Balochi flag hoisting in Lyari.
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    ambardarlane 9 hours ago
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    **** PAKISTANI PUNJABIES….

    they are exploiting our resources doing all progress in punjab. ALLAH WILL FREE US AS LUCKY BANGLADESHIS…

    BALOCHISTAN, SINDHDESH are not far insha allah
    rodtorre7 2 days ago
    rodtorre7 2 days ago

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Well, Muslims are the most backward of any people..ton of money, “caliphate” type rule (Mubarek, Saud, Gadfi etc) has not helped. Western colonialism, christianity/hindu/judaism etc religions etc are blamed ad nauseum for their faults.

    The blaming game will continue until there is no country . Pakistan will disintegarte. The trouble in Egypt finally will dislodge the Mubaraks; but what comes after that — Muslim brotherhood or other moderate parties will decide Egypt’s fate. A great civilization will die if Muslim brotherhood comes to power.

    Muslims are doomed because they do not bother to read any book other than “the book”.

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    ram autar Reply:

    BINOY BRHMNST HAVE CREATED FRAUDS VERY FEW INTELLECTUALS.READ ABO ABOUT IBN HAYTHAM,

    Ibn al Haytham – The First Scientist – Alhazen Biography Watch New
    Ibn al-Haytham Animated Video Trailer!

    Known in the West as Alhazen, Alhacen, or Alhazeni, Abu Ali al-Hasan ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Haytham was the first person to test hypotheses with verifiable experiments, developing the scientific method more than 200 years before European scholars learned of it—by reading his books.

    Born in Basra in 965, Ibn al-Haitham first studied theology, trying unsuccessfully to resolve the differences between the Shi’ah and Sunnah sects. Ibn al-Haitham then turned his attention to the works of the ancient Greek philosophers and mathematicians, including Euclid and Archimedes. He completed the fragmentary Conics by Apollonius of Perga. Ibn al-Haitham was the first person to apply algebra to geometry, founding the branch of mathematics known as analytic geometry.

    A devout Muslim, Ibn al-Haitham believed that human beings are flawed and only God is perfect. To discover the truth about nature, Ibn a-Haitham reasoned, one had to eliminate human opinion and allow the universe to speak for itself through physical experiments. “The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them,” the first scientist wrote, “but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration.”

    In his massive study of light and vision, Kitâb al-Manâzir (Book of Optics ), Ibn al-Haytham submitted every hypothesis to a physical test or mathematical proof. To test his hypothesis that “lights and colors do not blend in the air,” for example, Ibn al-Haytham devised the world’s first camera obscura, observed what happened when light rays intersected at its aperture, and recorded the results. Throughout his investigations, Ibn al-Haytham followed all the steps of the scientific method.

    Kitab al-Manazir was translated into Latin as De aspectibus and attributed to Alhazen in the late thirteenth century in Spain. Copies of the book circulated throughout Europe. Roger Bacon, who sometimes is credited as the first scientist, wrote a summary of Kitab al-Manazir entitled Perspectiva (Optics) some two hundred years after the death of the scholar known as Alhazen.

    Ibn al-Haytham conducted many of his experiments investigating the properties of light during a ten-year period when he was stripped of his possessions and imprisoned as a madman in Cairo. How Ibn al-Haytham came to be in Egypt, why he was judged insane, and how his discoveries launched the scientific revolution are just some of the questions Bradley Steffens answers in Ibn al-Haytham: First Scientist, the world’s first biography of the Muslim polymath.

    Midwest Book Review calls Ibn al-Haytham: First Scientist a “fine blend of history and science biography.” Booklist concurs, praising Ibn al-Haytham: First Scientist as a “clearly written introduction to Ibn al-Haytham, his society, and his contributions.” Kirkus Reviews touts Ibn al-Haytham: First Scientist as “an illuminating narrative…of a devout, brilliant polymath.” Children’s Literature adds, “Steffens deftly weaves an overview of Islamic history into this biography. Writing for The Fountain, Dr. Ertan Salik adds: “I congratulate Bradley Steffens for his beautiful work about Ibn al-Haytham and his advancement of experimental science.”

    Critics are not the only ones praising Ibn al-Haytham: First Scientist; casual readers are lauding it as well. Abdul Jabbar Al-Shammari, the director of the Ibn al-Haitham Center for Science and Technology in Amman, Jordan, writes: “I enjoyed reading about the events in the life of the first scientist, Ibn al-Haitham. I congratulate Bradley Steffens on writing a fantastic and accurate book.” A. Nor of Ohio adds, “I find the book interesting, for it accords and recognizes a Muslim scientist his proper place as the first scientist who is responsible for advocating experimental work in verifying conceived scientific ideas (hypotheses).” And Reformistan blogger Usman Mirza, of Karachi, Pakistan, writes, “As Muslims, we are subject of taunts for our ‘backwardness’ and lack of secular, scientific achievements. I encourage readers to read a book on the ‘first scientist’, a Muslim in Islam’s golden age. It is a nicely written biography of Ibn al-Haytham by a westerner, Bradley Steffens. He has written about a neglected subject that needs to be read by all.”

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    ram autar Reply:

    HEGDE READ ABOUT AVVOROS FOUNDING FATHER OF SECULAR THOUTHS.,

    AverroesFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
    Ibn Rušd (ابن رشد‎)
    Averroes
    Ibn Rushd depicted in a painting by Italian artist Andrea di Bonaiuto. Florence, 14th century.
    Full name ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad bin ʾAḥmad bin Rušd
    Born 1126
    Córdoba, Al-Andalus
    Died December 10, 1198 (aged 71–72)
    Marrakech, Morocco
    Era Medieval era (Islamic Golden Age)
    Region Muslim world, Western philosophy
    School Sunni Islam (Maliki madh’hab)
    Averroism
    Main interests Philosophy, theology, religious law and jurisprudence, geography, medicine, mathematics, physics
    Notable ideas Existence precedes essence; inertia; rejected epicycles; arachnoid mater; Parkinson’s disease; photoreceptor; secular thought; reconciliation of reason with faith, philosophy with religion, and Aristotelianism with Islam
    Influenced by[show]Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, the Qur’an, Muhammad, Malik, al-Farabi, Avicenna, al-Ghazali, Ibn Bajjah, Ibn Zuhr, Ibn Tufail
    Influenced[show]Ibn Khaldun, Siger de Brabant, Descartes, Boetius of Dacia, Aquinas, Dante, Maimonides, Giordano Bruno, Pico della Mirandola, Cesare Cremonini

    ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad bin ʾAḥmad bin Rušd (Arabic: أبو الوليد محمد بن احمد بن رشد‎), better known just as Ibn Rushd (Arabic: ابن رشد‎), and in European literature as Averroes (pronounced /əˈvɛroʊ.iːz/) (1126 – December 10, 1198), was an Andalusian Muslim polymath; a master of Aristotelian philosophy, Islamic philosophy, Islamic theology, Maliki law and jurisprudence, logic, psychology, politics, Arabic music theory, and the sciences of medicine, astronomy, geography, mathematics, physics and celestial mechanics. He was born in Córdoba, Al Andalus, modern-day Spain, and died in Marrakech, modern-day Morocco. His school of philosophy is known as Averroism. He has been described by some[1] as the founding father of secular thought in Western Europe and “one of the spiritual fathers of Europe,”[2] .[3][4]

    His name is also seen as Averroës, Averroès or Averrhoës, indicating that the “o” and the “e” form separate syllables. Averroes is a Latinate distortion of the actual Arab name Ibn Rushd.[5]

    According to Ernest Renan, he was also known as Ibin-Ros-din, Filius Rosadis, Ibn-Rusid, Ben-Raxid, Ibn-Ruschod, Den-Resched, Aben-Rassad, Aben-Rois, Aben-Rasd, Aben- Rust, Avenrosdy Avenryz, Adveroys, Benroist, Avenroyth, Averroysta, etc.[6]

    Contents [hide]
    1 Biography
    2 Works
    3 Contributions
    3.1 Philosophy
    3.2 Astronomy
    3.3 Celestial mechanics
    3.4 Law and jurisprudence
    3.5 Logic
    3.6 Medicine
    3.7 Music theory
    3.8 Physics
    3.9 Politics
    3.10 Psychology
    4 Significance
    5 Cultural influences
    6 List of works
    6.1 Logic
    6.1.1 Short Commentary
    6.1.2 Middle Commentaries
    6.1.3 Long Commentaries
    6.1.4 Questions
    6.1.4.1 Questions on the Isagoge
    6.1.4.2 Questions on the Categories
    6.1.4.3 Questions on Peri hermeneias
    6.1.4.4 Questions on the Prior Analytics
    6.1.4.5 Questions on the Posterior Analytics
    6.2 Philosophy of Nature
    6.2.1 Physics
    6.2.2 On the Heavens
    6.2.3 On Generation and Corruption
    6.2.4 Meteorology
    6.2.5 Biology
    6.2.6 Questions
    6.3 Psychology
    6.3.1 Commentaries
    6.3.2 Treatises on the Intellect
    6.3.3 ʿAbd Allāh Ibn Rušd (son of Averroes)
    6.3.4 Anonymous
    6.4 Metaphysics
    6.4.1 Commentaries
    6.5 Practical Philosophy
    6.6 Mathematics
    7 See also
    8 Notes
    9 Further reading
    10 External links

    [edit] Biography
    Ibn Rushd was the preeminent philosopher in the history of Al-Andalus.Averroes was born in Córdoba to a family with a long and well-respected tradition of legal and public service. His grandfather Abu Al-Walid Muhammad (d. 1126) was chief judge of Córdoba under the Almoravids. His father, Abu Al-Qasim Ahmad, held the same position until the Almoravids were replaced by the Almohads in 1146.[7]

    Averroes’s education followed a traditional path, beginning with studies in Hadith, linguistics, jurisprudence and scholastic theology. Throughout his life he wrote extensively on Philosophy and Religion, attributes of God, origin of the universe, Metaphysics and Psychology. It is generally believed that he was perhaps once tutored by Ibn Bajjah (Avempace). His medical education was directed under Abu Jafar ibn Harun of Trujillo in Seville.[8] Averroes began his career with the help of Ibn Tufail (“Aben Tofail” to the West), the author of Hayy ibn Yaqdhan and philosophic vizier of Almohad amir Abu Yaqub Yusuf. It was Ibn Tufail who introduced him to the court and to Ibn Zuhr (“Avenzoar” to the West), the great Muslim physician, who became Averroes’s teacher and friend. Averroes’s aptitude for medicine was noted by his contemporaries and can be seen in his major enduring work Kitab al-Kulyat fi al-Tibb (Generalities) the work was influenced by the Kitab al-Taisir fi al-Mudawat wa al-Tadbir (Particularities) of Ibn Zuhr.[9] Averroes later reported how it was also Ibn Tufail that inspired him to write his famous commentaries on Aristotle:

    Abu Bakr ibn Tufayl summoned me one day and told me that he had heard the Commander of the Faithful complaining about the disjointedness of Aristotle’s mode of expression — or that of the translators — and the resultant obscurity of his intentions. He said that if someone took on these books who could summarize them and clarify their aims after first thoroughly understanding them himself, people would have an easier time comprehending them. “If you have the energy,” Ibn Tufayl told me, “you do it. I’m confident you can, because I know what a good mind and devoted character you have, and how dedicated you are to the art. You understand that only my great age, the cares of my office — and my commitment to another task that I think even more vital — keep me from doing it myself.”[10]
    Averroes was also a student of Ibn Bajjah (“Avempace” to the West), another famous Islamic philosopher who greatly influenced his own Averroist thought. However, while the thought of his mentors Ibn Tufail and Ibn Bajjah were mystic to an extent, the thought of Averroes was purely rationalist. Together, the three men are considered the greatest Andalusian philosophers.[7]

    In 1160, Averroes was made Qadi (judge) of Seville and he served in many court appointments in Seville, Cordoba, and Morocco during his career. At the end of the 12th century, following the Almohads conquest of Al-Andalus, his political career was ended. Averroes’s strictly rationalist views which collided with the more orthodox views of Abu Yusuf Ya’qub al-Mansur who therefore eventually banished Averroes, though he had previously appointed him as his personal physician. Averroes was not reinstated until shortly before his death in the year 1198 AD. He devoted the rest of his life (more than 30 years) to his philosophical writings.

    [edit] WorksAverroes’s works were spread over 20,000 pages covering a variety of different subjects, including early Islamic philosophy, logic in Islamic philosophy, Arabic medicine, Arabic mathematics, Arabic astronomy, Arabic grammar, Islamic theology, Sharia (Islamic law), and Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence). In particular, his most important works dealt with Islamic philosophy, medicine and Fiqh. He wrote at least 67 original works, which included 28 works on philosophy, 20 on medicine, 8 on law, 5 on theology, and 4 on grammar, in addition to his commentaries on most of Aristotle’s works and his commentary on Plato’s The Republic.[7]

    He wrote commentaries on most of the surviving works of Aristotle. These were not based on primary sources (it is not known whether he knew Greek), but rather on Arabic translations. There were three levels of commentary: the Jami, the Talkhis and the Tafsir which are, respectively, a simplified overview, an intermediate commentary with more critical material, and an advanced study of Aristotelian thought in a Muslim context. The terms are taken from the names of different types of commentary on the Qur’an. It is not known whether he wrote commentaries of all three types on all the works: in most cases only one or two commentaries survive.

    He did not have access to any text of Aristotle’s Politics. As a substitute for this, he commented on Plato’s The Republic, arguing that the ideal state there described was the same as the original constitution of the Arab Caliphate,[7] as well as the Almohad state of Ibn Tumart.

    Imaginary debate between Averroes and Porphyry. Monfredo de Monte Imperiali Liber de herbis, 14th century.[11]His most important original philosophical work was The Incoherence of the Incoherence (Tahafut al-tahafut), in which he defended Aristotelian philosophy against al-Ghazali’s claims in The Incoherence of the Philosophers (Tahafut al-falasifa). Al-Ghazali argued that Aristotelianism, especially as presented in the writings of Avicenna, was self-contradictory and an affront to the teachings of Islam. Averroes’ rebuttal was two-pronged: he contended both that al-Ghazali’s arguments were mistaken and that, in any case, the system of Avicenna was a distortion of genuine Aristotelianism so that al-Ghazali was aiming at the wrong target. Other works were the Fasl al-Maqal, which argued for the legality of philosophical investigation under Islamic law, and the Kitab al-Kashf, which argued against the proofs of Islam advanced by the Ash’arite school and discussed what proofs, on the popular level, should be used instead.

    Averroes is also a highly regarded legal scholar of the Maliki school. Perhaps his best-known work in this field is Bidāyat al-Mujtahid wa Nihāyat al-Muqtaṣid ( بداية المجتهد و نهاية المقتصد), a textbook of Maliki doctrine in a comparative framework.

    In medicine, Averroes wrote a medical encyclopedia called Kulliyat (“Generalities”, i.e. general medicine), known in its Latin translation as Colliget. He also made a compilation of the works of Galen (129-200) and wrote a commentary on The Law of Medicine (Qanun fi ‘t-tibb) of Avicenna (Ibn Sina) (980-1037).

    Jacob Anatoli translated several of the works of Averroes from Arabic into Hebrew in the 13th century. Many of them were later translated from Hebrew into Latin by Jacob Mantino and Abraham de Balmes. Other works were translated directly from Arabic into Latin by Michael Scot. Many of his works in logic and metaphysics have been permanently lost, while others, including some of the longer Aristotelian commentaries, have only survived in Latin or Hebrew translation, not in the original Arabic. The fullest version of his works is in Latin, and forms part of the multi-volume Juntine edition of Aristotle published in Venice 1562-1574.

    [edit] Contributions[edit] Philosophy
    Giovanni di Paolo’s St. Thomas Aquinas Confounding Averroës.See also: Averroism and The Incoherence of the Incoherence
    According to Averroes, there is no conflict between religion and philosophy, rather that they are different ways of reaching the same truth. He believed in the creating of the universe by an all perfect god contrary to Avicenna’s ideology which was the universe is eternal since god doesn’t have specific knowledge(this is the view of Avicenna). He also held that the soul is divided into two parts, one individual and one divine; while the individual soul is not eternal, all humans at the basic level share one and the same divine soul. Averroes has two kinds of Knowledge of Truth. The first being his knowledge of truth of religion being based in faith and thus could not be tested, nor did it require training to understand. The second knowledge of truth is philosophy, which was reserved for an elite few who had the intellectual capacity to undertake this study.

    The concept of “existence precedes essence”, a key foundational concept of existentialism, can also be found in the works of Averroes, as a reaction to Ibn Sina’s concept of “essence precedes existence”.[12] Averroes’s most famous original philosophical work was The Incoherence of the Incoherence, a rebuttal to Al-Ghazali’s The Incoherence of the Philosophers. In medieval Europe, his school of philosophy known as Averroism exerted a strong influence on Jewish philosophers such as Gersonides and Maimonides,[7] and was opposed by Christian philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas.[3][4]

    [edit] AstronomyAt the age of 25, Averroes conducted astronomical observations near Marrakech, Morocco, during which he discovered a previously unobserved star.[13]

    In astronomical theory, Averroes rejected the eccentric deferents introduced by Ptolemy. He rejected the Ptolemaic model and instead argued for a strictly concentric model of the universe. He wrote the following criticism on the Ptolemaic model of planetary motion:[14]

    “To assert the existence of an eccentric sphere or an epicyclic sphere is contrary to nature. [...] The astronomy of our time offers no truth, but only agrees with the calculations and not with what exists.”
    Averroes also argued that the Moon is opaque and obscure, and has some parts which are thicker than others, with the thicker parts receiving more light from the Sun than the thinner parts of the Moon.[15] He also gave one of the first descriptions on sunspots.[16]

    [edit] Celestial mechanicsSee also: Celestial spheres
    In celestial mechanics, while discussing the celestial spheres, Averroes rejected John Philoponus’ ‘anti-Aristotelian’ solution to his refutation of Aristotelian celestial dynamics, and instead restored Aristotle’s law of motion by adopting the ‘hidden variable’ approach to resolving apparent refutations of parametric laws that posits a previously unaccounted variable and its value(s) for some parameter, thereby modifying the predicted value of the subject variable. For, he posited a non-gravitational, previously unaccounted, inherent resistance to motion, as hidden within the celestial spheres. This was a non-gravitational inherent resistance to motion of superlunary quintessential matter, whereby R > 0 even when there is neither any gravitational, nor any media resistance, to motion.

    Hence, in refuting the prediction of Aristotelian celestial dynamics:

    [ (i) v α F/R & (ii) F > 0 & (iii) R = 0 ] entail v is infinite
    the alternative logic of Averroes’ solution was to reject its third premise “R = 0″ instead of rejecting its first premise as Philoponus had.

    Thus Averroes most significantly revised Aristotle’s law of motion “v α F/R” into “v α F/M” for the case of celestial motion with his auxiliary theory of what may be called celestial inertia M, whereby R = M > 0. But Averroes restricted inertia to celestial bodies and denied sublunar bodies have any inherent resistance to motion other than their gravitational (or levitational) inherent resistance to violent motion, just as in Aristotle’s original sublunar physics.

    However, Thomas Aquinas, also a student of Aristotelianism, rejected this denial of sublunar inertia and extended Averroes’ innovation in the celestial physics of the spheres to all sublunar bodies. He posited all bodies universally have a non-gravitational inherent resistance to motion constituted by their magnitude or mass.[17] In his Systeme du Monde, the pioneering historian of medieval science Pierre Duhem, stated:

    “For the first time we have seen human reason distinguish two elements in a heavy body: the motive force, that is, in modern terms, the weight; and the moved thing, the corpus quantum, or as we say today, the mass. For the first time we have seen the notion of mass being introduced in mechanics, and being introduced as equivalent to what remains in a body when one has suppressed all forms in order to leave only the prime matter quantified by its determined dimensions. Saint Thomas Aquinas’s analysis, completing Ibn Bajja’s, came to distinguish three notions in a falling body: the weight, the mass, and the resistance of the medium, about which physics will reason during the modern era….This mass, this quantified body, resists the motor attempting to transport it from one place to another, stated Thomas Aquinas.”[18]
    Some five centuries after Averroes’ and Aquinas’ innovations, it was Johannes Kepler who first dubbed this non-gravitational inherent resistance to motion in all bodies universally ‘inertia’.[19] Hence the crucial notion of 17th century early classical mechanics of a resistant force of inertia inherent in all bodies was born in the heavens of medieval astrophysics, in the Aristotelian physics of the celestial spheres, rather than in terrestrial physics or in experiments.[20]

    However, having discounted the possibility of any resistance due to a contrary inclination to move in any opposite direction or due to any external resistance, in concluding their impetus was therefore not corrupted by any resistance, Jean Buridan also discounted any inherent resistance to motion in the form of an inclination to rest within the spheres themselves, such as the inertia posited by Averroes and Aquinas. For otherwise, that resistance would destroy their impetus, as the anti-Duhemian historian of science Annaliese Maier maintained the Parisian impetus dynamicists were forced to conclude, because of their belief in an inherent inclinatio ad quietem (tendency to rest) or inertia in all bodies.[21] But in fact, contrary to that inertial variant of Aristotelian dynamics, according to Buridan, prime matter does not resist motion.[22]

    [edit] Law and jurisprudenceAs a Qadi (judge), Averroes wrote the Bidāyat al-Mujtahid wa Nihāyat al-Muqtasid, a Maliki legal treatise dealing with Sharia (law) and Fiqh (jurisprudence) which, according to Al-Dhahabi in the 13th century, was considered the best treatise ever written on the subject.[7] Averroes’s summary the opinions (fatwa) of previous Islamic jurists on a variety of issues has continued to influence Islamic scholars to the present day, notably Javed Ahmad Ghamidi.[23] While Averroes himself claimed that women in Islam were equal to men in all respects and possessed equal capacities to shine in peace and in war,[7] he summarized the opinions of previous jurists and Imams on the status of women’s testimony in Islam as follows:[23]

    “There is a general consensus among the jurists that in financial transactions a case stands proven by the testimony of a just man and two women on the basis of the verse: ‘If two men cannot be found then one man and two women from among those whom you deem appropriate as witnesses’. However; in cases of Hudud, there is a difference of opinion among our jurists. The majority say that in these affairs the testimony of women is in no way acceptable whether they testify alongside a male witness or do so alone. The Zahiris on the contrary maintain that if they are more than one and are accompanied by a male witness, then owing to the apparent meaning of the verse their testimony will be acceptable in all affairs. Imam Abu Hanifah is of the opinion that except in cases of Hudud and in financial transactions their testimony is acceptable in bodily affairs like divorce, marriage, slave-emancipation and raju‘ [restitution of conjugal rights]. Imam Malik is of the view that their testimony is not acceptable in bodily affairs. There is however a difference of opinion among the companions of Imam Malik regarding bodily affairs which relate to wealth like advocacy and will-testaments which do not specifically relate to wealth. Consequently, Ash-hab and Ibn Majishun accept two male witnesses only in these affairs, while to Malik Ibn Qasim and Ibn Wahab two female and a male witness are acceptable. As far as the matter of women as sole witnesses is concerned, the majority accept it only in bodily affairs, about which men can have no information in ordinary circumstances like the physical handicaps of women and the crying of a baby at birth.”
    He also discussed Islamic economic jurisprudence, particularly the concept of Riba (usury). He reported that Ibn ‘Abbas, a sahaba (companion) of Muhammad, did not accept Riba al-Fadl (interest in excess) because, according to him, the Prophet Muhammad had clarified that there was no Riba except in credit.[24] He also discussed the role of Islamic criminal jurisprudence in the Islamic dietary laws in regards to the consumption of alcohol. He stated that physical punishment for alcoholic consumption was not originally established as part of the Sharia in Muhammad’s time but was later decided by the Shura (consultive council) of the Rashidun Caliphate. He wrote:[25]

    “The general opinion in this regard is based on the consultation of ‘Umar (rta) with the members of his Shura. The session of this Shura took place during his period when people started indulging in this habit more frequently. ‘Ali (rta) opined that, by analogy with the punishment of Qadhf, its punishment should also be fixed at eighty stripes. It is said that while presenting his arguments, he had remarked: ‘When he [– the criminal –] drinks, he will get intoxicated and once he gets intoxicated, he will utter nonsense; and once he starts uttering nonsense, he will falsely accuse other people’.”
    [edit] LogicAverroes was the last major Muslim logician from Al-Andalus. He is known for writing the most elaborate commentaries on Aristotelian logic.[26]

    [edit] MedicineAs a physician, Averroes wrote twenty treatises on Arabic medicine, including a seven-volume medical encyclopedia entitled Kitābu’l Kulliyāt fī al-Tibb (General Rules of Medicine), better known as Colliget in Latin. This encyclopedic work was completed at some time before 1162 and elaborated on physiology, general pathology, diagnosis, materia medica, hygiene and general therapeutics. He argued that no one can suffer from smallpox twice, and fully understood the function of the retina.[7] He improved on Alhazen’s Book of Optics (1021) which, though providing a largely correct optical theory on vision, incorrectly assumed the lens of the eye to be the organ of sight. Averroes corrected this by showing that sight is the function of the retina.[27]

    His Colliget was largely overshadowed by the earlier medical encyclopedias, Continents by Muhammad ibn Zakariya ar-Razi (Rhazes) and The Canon of Medicine by Ibn Sina (Avicenna). As a result, Averroes’ fame as a physician was eclipsed by his own fame as a philosopher. His Kulliyāt was translated into Latin by the Jewish translator Bonacosa in the late 13th century and again by Syphorien Champier in circa 1537, and it was also translated into Hebrew twice. Max Meyerhof notes that the prototypes for the physician-philosophers that predominated in Spain were “Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) and Averroes (Averroes)”.[7]

    Averroes discussed the topic of human dissection and autopsy. Although he never undertook human dissection, he was aware of it being carried out by some of his contemporaries, such as Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), and appears to have supported the practice. Averroes stated that the “practice of dissection strengthens the faith”[28] due to his view of the human body as “the remarkable handiwork of God in his creation.”[29] Despite his criticism of Al-Ghazali’s theological views, Averroes agreed with him on the issue of anatomy and dissection, and wrote:[30]

    “Whoever has been occupied with the science of anatomy/dissection (tashrfh) has increased his belief in God.”
    In urology, Averroes identified the issues of sexual dysfunction and erectile dysfunction, and was among the first to prescribe medication for the treatment of these problems. He used several methods of therapy for this issue, including the single drug method where a tested drug is prescribed, and a “combination method of either a drug or food.” Most of these drugs were oral medication, though a few patients were also treated through topical or transurethral means.[31]

    In neurology and neuroscience, Averroes suggested the existence of Parkinson’s disease, and in ophthalmology and optics, he was the first to attribute photoreceptor properties to the retina.[32] In his Colliget, he was also the first to suggest that the principal organ of sight might be the arachnoid membrane (aranea). His work led to much discussion in 16th century Europe over whether the principal organ of sight is the traditional Galenic crystalline humour or the Averroist aranea, which in turn led to the discovery that the retina is the principal organ of sight.[33]

    [edit] Music theoryAs an Arabic music theorist, Averroes contributed to music theory with his commentary on Aristotle’s On the Soul, where Averroes dealt perspicuously with the theory of sound. This text was translated into Latin by Michael Scot (d. 1232).[7]

    [edit] PhysicsIn Averroes’ commentary on Aristotle’s Physics, he commented on the theory of motion proposed by Ibn Bajjah (Avempace) in Text 71, and also made his own contributions to physics, particularly mechanics. Averroes was the first to define and measure force as “the rate at which work is done in changing the kinetic condition of a material body”[34] and the first to correctly argue “that the effect and measure of force is change in the kinetic condition of a materially resistant mass.”[35] It seems he was also the first to introduce the notion that bodies have a (non-gravitational) inherent resistance to motion into physics, subsequently first dubbed ‘inertia’ by Johannes Kepler. But he only attributed it to the superlunary celestial spheres, and in order to explain why they do not move with infinite speed as was predicted by the application of Aristotle’s general law of motion v α F/R to celestial motion, given the assumption that the spheres have movers and thus F > 0, but no resistance to their motion, whereby R = 0.[36]

    John Philoponus had earlier rejected Aristotle’s theory of motion because of this celestial empirical refutation in favour of his alternative theory v α F – R that avoided it because v is finite even when R = 0 and when F > 0 and is finite. But contra Philoponus, Averroes restored it by positing inertia instead, whereby R > 0 even in the absence of any external resistance to motion and of any inherent gravitational resistance, as in the quintessential heavens in Aristotelian cosmology. But Averroes denied sublunar bodies have inertia, and it was Thomas Aquinas, also a student of Aristotelianism, who extended this inherent force to terrestrial bodies as well, thus also rejecting Aristotle’s prediction that the speed of gravitational fall of all bodies in a vacuum would be infinite because there would be no resistance to motion in the absence of an external resistant medium (i.e. R = 0). For Aristotle had assumed the only inherent resistance to motion in bodies is that of gravity, without which bodies would not inherently resist any motion, and which does not resist gravitational (i.e. ‘natural’) motion where it acts as the motor rather than as a brake as it does in violent motion. The Averroes-Aquinas notion of inertia was eventually adopted by Kepler, but not by scholastic Aristotelian impetus dynamics nor Galileo Galilei who maintained like Jean Buridan, for example, that prime matter does not inherently resist any motion and so is indifferent to motion or rest. It eventually became the central concept of Newton’s dynamics in its notion of the inherent force of inertia in all bodies, with the minor revision that the force of inertia resists all motion except for uniform straight motion, a purely fictitious ideal motion whose perseverance it would cause. But Newton’s inherent force of inertia resists all actual motion, given it is all accelerated motion in the Newtonian cosmos populated by many gravitationally attractive massive bodies. Thus on this analysis Averroes is creditable with one of the two most crucial innovations in the history of the development of Aristotelian dynamics into Newtonian dynamics, namely its two auxiliary notions of the force of impetus and of the force of inertia.

    [edit] PoliticsAverroes did not have access to any text of Aristotle’s Politics. As a substitute for this, he commented on Plato’s The Republic, arguing that the ideal state there described was the same as the original constitution of the Islamic Caliphate,[7] as well as the Almohad state of Ibn Tumart. He also believed that a wise philosopher should be commander and chief of a nation.

    Averroes also claimed that women were equal to men in all respects and possessed equal capacities to shine in peace and in war, citing examples of female warriors among the Arabs, Greeks and Africans to support his case.[7] In Muslim history, examples of notable female Muslims who fought as soldiers or generals included Nusaybah Bint k’ab Al Maziniyyah,[37] Aisha,[38] Kahula and Wafeira,[39] and Um Umarah.

    [edit] PsychologyH. Chad Hillier writes the following on Averroes’s contributions to psychology:[8]

    There is evidence of some evolution in Averroes’s thought on the intellect, notably in his Middle Commentary on De Anima where he combines the positions of Alexander and Themistius for his doctrine on the material intellect and in his Long Commentary and the Tahafut where Averroes rejected Alexander and endorsed Themistius’ position that “material intellect is a single incorporeal eternal substance that becomes attached to the imaginative faculties of individual humans.” Thus, the human soul is a separate substance ontologically identical with the active intellect; and when this active intellect is embodied in an individual human it is the material intellect. The material intellect is analogous to prime matter, in that it is pure potentiality able to receive universal forms. As such, the human mind is a composite of the material intellect and the passive intellect, which is the third element of the intellect. The passive intellect is identified with the imagination, which, as noted above, is the sense-connected finite and passive faculty that receives particular sensual forms. When the material intellect is actualized by information received, it is described as the speculative (habitual) intellect. As the speculative intellect moves towards perfection, having the active intellect as an object of thought, it becomes the acquired intellect. In that, it is aided by the active intellect, perceived in the way Aristotle had taught, to acquire intelligible thoughts. The idea of the soul’s perfection occurring through having the active intellect as a greater object of thought is introduced elsewhere, and its application to religious doctrine is seen. In the Tahafut, Averroes speaks of the soul as a faculty that comes to resemble the focus of its intention, and when its attention focuses more upon eternal and universal knowledge, it becomes more like the eternal and universal. As such, when the soul perfects itself, it becomes like our intellect.
    Averroes succeeded in providing an explanation of the human soul and intellect that did not involve an immediate transcendent agent. This opposed the explanations found among the Neoplatonists, allowing a further argument for rejecting of Neoplatonic emanation theories. Even so, notes Davidson, Averroes’s theory of the material intellect was something foreign to Aristotle.
    [edit] Significance
    Averroes, detail of the fresco The School of Athens by RaphaelIn the West, Averroes is most famous for commentaries on Aristotle’s works, most of which had been inaccessible to Latin Europe during the Early Middle Ages. Before 1100 only a few of Aristotle’s logical works had been translated into Latin by Boethius, although the entire extant Greek corpus was known in Byzantium. After Latin translations of Aristotle’s other works from Greek and Arabic were made in the 12th and 13th centuries, Aristotle became more influential on medieval European philosophy. Averroes’ commentaries on Aristotle contributed to his growing influence in the medieval West.

    In medieval Europe, Averroes’ school of philosophy, known as Averroism, exerted a strong influence on Christian philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas and Jewish philosophers such as Gersonides and Maimonides. Despite negative reactions from Jewish Talmudists and the Christian clergy, Averroes’ writings were taught at the University of Paris and other medieval universities, and Averroism remained the dominant school of thought in Europe through to the 16th century.[7]

    Averroes’ argument in The Decisive Treatise provided a justification for the emancipation of science and philosophy from official Ash’ari theology, thus Averroism has been regarded as a precursor to modern secularism.[40][41]

    George Sarton, the father of the history of science, writes:

    “Averroes was great because of the tremendous stir he made in the minds of men for centuries. A history of Averroism would include up to the end of the sixteenth-century, a period of four centuries which would perhaps deserve as much as any other to be called the Middle Ages, for it was the real transition between ancient and modern methods.”[42]
    Averroes’s work on Aristotle spans almost three decades, and he wrote commentaries on almost all of Aristotle’s work except for Aristotle’s Politics, to which he did not have access. Averroes’ philosophical works had less influence on the medieval and early modern Islamic world than the contemporaneous Latin Christian world, as indicated by the fact many of them works did not survive in the original Arabic but rather in Latin and Hebrew translation. However, his works on specifically Islamic topics such as fiqh (Islamic law), which were not translated into Latin, naturally influenced the Islamic world rather than the West. His death coincides with a change in the culture of Al-Andalus. In his work Fasl al-Maqāl (translated a. o. as The Decisive Treatise), he stresses the importance of analytical thinking as a prerequisite to interpret the Qur’an; this is in contrast to orthodox Ash’ari theology, where the emphasis is less on analytical thinking but on extensive knowledge of sources other than the Qur’an, i.e. the hadith.

    Hebrew translations of his work also had a lasting impact on Jewish philosophy, in particular Gersonides, who wrote supercommentaries on many of the works. In the Christian world, his ideas were assimilated by Siger of Brabant and Thomas Aquinas and others (especially in the University of Paris) within the Christian scholastic tradition which valued Aristotelian logic. Famous scholastics such as Aquinas believed him to be so important they did not refer to him by name, simply calling him “The Commentator” and calling Aristotle “The Philosopher.” Averroes’s treatise on Plato’s Republic has played a major role in both the transmission and the adaptation of the Platonic tradition in the West. It has been a primary source in medieval political philosophy. On the other hand he was feared by many Christian theologians, who accused him of advocating a “double truth” and denying orthodox doctrines such as individual immortality, and an underground mythology grew up stigmatising him as the ultimate unbeliever; these accusations were largely based on misunderstandings of his work.[43]

    A later importation of Averroism into Europe is associated with the University of Padua in the early Renaissance, important names being Zabarella, Cremonini and Niphus.

    [edit] Cultural influences
    Commentarium magnum Averrois in Aristotelis De Anima libros. French manuscript, third quarter of the 13th centuryReflecting the respect which medieval European scholars paid to him, Averroes is named by Dante in The Divine Comedy with the great pagan philosophers whose spirits dwell in “the place that favor owes to fame” in Limbo.

    Averroes appears in a short story by Jorge Luis Borges, entitled “Averroes’s Search”, in which he is portrayed trying to find the meanings of the words tragedy and comedy. He is briefly mentioned in the novel Ulysses by James Joyce alongside Maimonides. He appears to be waiting outside the walls of the ancient city of Cordoba in Alamgir Hashmi’s poem In Cordoba. He is also the main character in Destiny, a Youssef Chahine film. The Muslim pop musician Kareem Salama composed and performed a song in 2007 titled Aristotle and Averroes.

    Averroes is also the title of a play called “The Gladius and The Rose”, written by Tunisian writer Mohamed Ghozzi, and which had the first price in the theater festival in Charjah in 1999.

    The asteroid “8318 Averroes” was named in his honor.

    A movie depicting the life and times of Averroes was released in 1998, titled Destiny (1997 film).

    [edit] List of works

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    MathematicianKhayyám was famous during his times as a mathematician. He wrote the influential Treatise on Demonstration of Problems of Algebra (1070), which laid down the principles of algebra, part of the body of Persian Mathematics that was eventually transmitted to Europe. In particular, he derived general methods for solving cubic equations and even some higher orders.

    “Cubic equation and intersection of conic sections” the first page of two-chaptered manuscript kept in Tehran UniversityIn the Treatise he wrote on the triangular array of binomial coefficients known as Pascal’s triangle. In 1077, Khayyám wrote Sharh ma ashkala min musadarat kitab Uqlidis (Explanations of the Difficulties in the Postulates of Euclid) published in English as “On the Difficulties of Euclid’s Definitions”.[9] An important part of the book is concerned with Euclid’s famous parallel postulate, which attracted the interest of Thabit ibn Qurra. Al-Haytham had previously attempted a demonstration of the postulate; Khayyám’s attempt was a distinct advance, and his criticisms made their way to Europe, and may have contributed to the eventual development of non-Euclidean geometry.

    Khayyám had notable works in geometry, specifically on the theory of proportions.

    [edit] Theory of parallelsSee also: History of non-Euclidean geometry and Parallel postulate

    “At the Tomb of Omar Khayyam”, by Jay HambidgeKhayyám wrote a book entitled Explanations of the difficulties in the postulates in Euclid’s Elements. The book consists of several sections on the parallel postulate (Book I), on the Euclidean definition of ratios and the Anthyphairetic ratio (modern continued fractions) (Book II), and on the multiplication of ratios (Book III).

    The first section is a treatise containing some propositions and lemmas concerning the parallel postulate. It has reached us from a reproduction in a manuscript written in 1387-88 AD by the Persian mathematician Tusi. Tusi mentions explicitly that he re-writes the treatise “in Khayyám’s own words” and quotes Khayyám, saying that “they are worth adding to Euclid’s Elements (first book) after Proposition 28.”[10] This proposition [11] states a condition enough for having two lines in plane parallel to one another. After this proposition follows another, numbered 29, which is converse to the previous one.[12] The proof of Euclid uses the so-called parallel postulate (numbered 5). Objection to the use of parallel postulate and alternative view of proposition 29 have been a major problem in foundation of what is now called non-Euclidean geometry.

    The treatise of Khayyám can be considered as the first treatment of parallels axiom which is not based on petitio principii but on more intuitive postulate. Khayyám refutes the previous attempts by other Greek and Persian mathematicians to prove the proposition. And he, as Aristotle, refuses the use of motion in geometry and therefore dismisses the different attempt by Ibn Haytham too.[13] In a sense he made the first attempt at formulating a non-Euclidean postulate as an alternative to the parallel postulate,[14]

    [edit] Geometric algebraWhoever thinks algebra is a trick in obtaining unknowns has thought it in vain. No attention should be paid to the fact that algebra and geometry are different in appearance. Algebras are geometric facts which are proved by propositions five and six of Book two of Elements.

    Omar Khayyam[15]This philosophical view of mathematics (see below) has had a significant impact on Khayyám’s celebrated approach and method in geometric algebra and in particular in solving cubic equations. In that his solution is not a direct path to a numerical solution and in fact his solutions are not numbers but rather line segments. In this regard Khayyám’s work can be considered the first systematic study and the first exact method of solving cubic equations.[16]

    In an untitled writing on cubic equations by Khayyám discovered in 20th century,[15] where the above quote appears, Khayyám works on problems of geometric algebra. First is the problem of “finding a point on a quadrant of a circle such that when a normal is dropped from the point to one of the bounding radii, the ratio of the normal’s length to that of the radius equals the ratio of the segments determined by the foot of the normal.” Again in solving this problem, he reduces it to another geometric problem: “find a right triangle having the property that the hypotenuse equals the sum of one leg (i.e. side) plus the altitude on the hypotenuse.[17] To solve this geometric problem, he specializes a parameter and reaches the cubic equation x3 + 200x = 20×2 + 2000.[15] Indeed, he finds a positive root for this equation by intersecting a hyperbola with a circle.

    This particular geometric solution of cubic equations has been further investigated and extended to degree four equations.[18]

    Regarding more general equations he states that the solution of cubic equations requires the use of conic sections and that it cannot be solved by ruler and compass methods.[15] A proof of this impossibility was plausible only 750 years after Khayyám died. In this paper Khayyám mentions his will to prepare a paper giving full solution to cubic equations: “If the opportunity arises and I can succeed, I shall give all these fourteen forms with all their branches and cases, and how to distinguish whatever is possible or impossible so that a paper, containing elements which are greatly useful in this art will be prepared.”[15]

    This refers to the book Treatise on Demonstrations of Problems of Algebra (1070), which laid down the principles of algebra, part of the body of Persian Mathematics that was eventually transmitted to Europe.[16] In particular, he derived general methods for solving cubic equations and even some higher orders.

    [edit] Binomial theorem and extraction of rootsSee also: History of binomial theorem
    From the Indians one has methods for obtaining square and cube roots, methods which are based on knowledge of individual cases, namely the knowledge of the squares of the nine digits 12, 22, 32 (etc.) and their respective products, i.e. 2 × 3 etc. We have written a treatise on the proof of the validity of those methods and that they satisfy the conditions. In addition we have increased their types, namely in the form of the determination of the fourth, fifth, sixth roots up to any desired degree. No one preceded us in this and those proofs are purely arithmetic, founded on the arithmetic of The Elements.

    Omar Khayyam Treatise on Demonstration of Problems of Algebra[19]This particular remark of Khayyám and certain propositions found in his Algebra book has made some historians of mathematics believe that Khayyám had indeed a binomial theorem up to any power. The case of power 2 is explicitly stated in Euclid’s elements and the case of at most power 3 had been established by Indian mathematicians. Khayyám was the mathematician who noticed the importance of a general binomial theorem. The argument supporting the claim that Khayyám had a general binomial theorem is based on his ability to extract roots.[20]

    [edit] Khayyám-Saccheri quadrilateralMain article: Saccheri quadrilateral
    The Saccheri quadrilateral was first considered by Khayyám in the late 11th century in Book I of Explanations of the Difficulties in the Postulates of Euclid.[21] Unlike many commentators on Euclid before and after him (including of course Saccheri), Khayyám was not trying to prove the parallel postulate as such but to derive it from an equivalent postulate he formulated from “the principles of the Philosopher” (Aristotle):

    Two convergent straight lines intersect and it is impossible for two convergent straight lines to diverge in the direction in which they converge.[22]
    Khayyám then considered the three cases (right, obtuse, and acute) that the summit angles of a Saccheri quadrilateral can take and after proving a number of theorems about them, he (correctly) refuted the obtuse and acute cases based on his postulate and hence derived the classic postulate of Euclid.

    It wasn’t until 600 years later that Giordano Vitale made an advance on Khayyám in his book Euclide restituo (1680, 1686), when he used the quadrilateral to prove that if three points are equidistant on the base AB and the summit CD, then AB and CD are everywhere equidistant. Saccheri himself based the whole of his long, heroic, and ultimately flawed proof of the parallel postulate around the quadrilateral and its three cases, proving many theorems about its properties along the way.

    [edit] AstronomerLike most Persian mathematicians of the period, Khayyám was famous as an astronomer. In 1073, the Seljuk Sultan Sultan Jalal al-Din Malekshah Saljuqi (Malik-Shah I, 1072–92), invited Khayyám to build an observatory, along with various other distinguished scientists. Eventually, Khayyám and his colleagues measured the length of the solar year as 365.24219858156 days. Khayyám’s calendar was more accurate than the Gregorian calendar of 500 years later. The modern Iranian calendar is based on his calculations.

    [edit] Calendar reformKhayyám was part of a panel that introduced several reforms to the Persian calendar. On March 15, 1079, Sultan Malik Shah I accepted this corrected calendar as the official Persian calendar.[23]

    This calendar was known as Jalali calendar after the Sultan, and was in force across Greater Iran from the 11th to the 20th centuries. It is the basis of the Iranian calendar which is followed today in Iran and Afghanistan. While the Jalali calendar is more accurate than the Gregorian, it is based on actual solar transit, (similar to Hindu calendars), and requires an Ephemeris for calculating dates. The lengths of the months can vary between 29 and 31 days depending on the moment when the sun crossed into a new zodiacal area (an attribute common to most Hindu calendars). This meant that seasonal errors were lower than in the Gregorian calendar.

    The modern-day Iranian calendar standardizes the month lengths based on a reform from 1925, thus minimizing the effect of solar transits. Seasonal errors are somewhat higher than in the Jalali version, but leap years are calculated as before.

    Khayyám built a star map (now lost), which was famous in the Persian and Islamic world.

    [edit] PoetKhayyám’s poetic work has eclipsed his fame as a mathematician and scientist.[citation needed]

    He is believed to have written about a thousand four-line verses or quatrains (rubaai’s). In the English-speaking world, he was introduced through the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám which are rather free-wheeling English translations by Edward FitzGerald (1809–1883).

    Other translations of parts of the rubáiyát (rubáiyát meaning “quatrains”) exist, but FitzGerald’s are the most well known. Translations exist in languages other than English.

    Ironically, FitzGerald’s translations reintroduced Khayyám to Iranians “who had long ignored the Neishapouri poet.” A 1934 book by one of Iran’s most prominent writers, Sadeq Hedayat, Songs of Khayyam, (Taranehha-ye Khayyam) is said to have “shaped the way a generation of Iranians viewed” the poet.[24]

    Khayyám’s personal beliefs are not known with certainty, but much is discernible from his poetic oeuvre.

    [edit] PoetryMain article: Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám

    Monument to Omar Khayyám in Bucharest.And, as the **** crew, those who stood before
    The Tavern shouted – “Open then the Door!
    You know how little time we have to stay,
    And once departed, may return no more.”

    Alike for those who for TO-DAY prepare,
    And that after a TO-MORROW stare,
    A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries
    “Fools! your reward is neither Here nor There!”

    Why, all the Saints and Sages who discuss’d
    Of the Two Worlds so learnedly, are thrust
    Like foolish Prophets forth; their Words to Scorn
    Are scatter’d, and their mouths are stopt with Dust.

    Oh, come with old Khayyam, and leave the Wise
    To talk; one thing is certain, that Life flies;
    One thing is certain, and the Rest is Lies;
    The Flower that once has blown for ever dies.

    Myself when young did eagerly frequent
    Doctor and Saint, and heard great Argument
    About it and about: but evermore
    Came out of the same Door as in I went.

    With them the Seed of Wisdom did I sow,
    And with my own hand labour’d it to grow:
    And this was all the Harvest that I reap’d -
    “I came like Water, and like Wind I go.”

    Into this Universe, and why not knowing,
    Nor whence, like Water willy-nilly flowing:
    And out of it, as Wind along the Waste,
    I know not whither, willy-nilly blowing.

    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
    Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
    Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

    And that inverted Bowl we call The Sky,
    Whereunder crawling coop’t we live and die,
    Lift not thy hands to It for help – for It
    Rolls impotently on as Thou or I.

    [edit] Views on religionIn his own writings, Khayyám rejects strict religious structure and a literalist conception of the afterlife.[25]

    How much more of the mosque, of prayer and fasting?
    Better go drunk and begging round the taverns.
    Khayyam, drink wine, for soon this clay of yours
    Will make a cup, bowl, one day a jar.

    When once you hear the roses are in bloom,
    Then is the time, my love, to pour the wine;
    Houris and palaces and Heaven and Hell-
    These are but fairy-tales, forget them all.

    Rubáiyát of Omar KhayyámThere have been widely divergent views on Khayyám. According to Seyyed Hossein Nasr no other Iranian writer/scholar is viewed in such extremely differing ways. At one end of the spectrum there are night clubs named after Khayyám and he is seen as an agnostic hedonist. On the other end of the spectrum, he is seen as a mystical Sufi poet influenced by platonic traditions.

    Robertson (1914) believes that Khayyám was not devout and had no sympathy for popular religion,[26] but the verse: “Enjoy wine and women and don’t be afraid, God has compassion,” suggests that he might not have been an atheist. He further believes that it is almost certain that Khayyám objected to the notion that every particular event and phenomenon was the result of divine intervention. Nor did he believe in an afterlife with a Judgment Day or rewards and punishments. Instead, he supported the view that laws of nature explained all phenomena of observed life. One hostile orthodox account of him shows him as “versed in all the wisdom of the Greeks” and as insistent that studying science on Greek lines is necessary.[26] Roberston (1914) further opines that Khayyám came into conflict with religious officials several times, and had to explain his views on Islam on multiple occasions; there is even one story about a treacherous pupil who tried to bring him into public odium. He then wrote that Khayyám “performed pilgrimages not from piety but from fear” of his contemporaries who divined his unbelief.[26]

    The following two quatrains are representative of numerous others that serve to reject many tenets of religious dogma:

    O cleric, we are more active than you,
    even so drunk, we are more attentive than you,
    You drink the blood of men, we drink the blood of grapes [wine],
    Be fair, which one of us is more bloodthirsty?خيام اگر ز باده مستى خوش باش
    با ماه رخى اگر نشستى خوش باش
    چون عاقبت كار جهان نيستى است
    انگار كه نيستى، چو هستى خوش باش
    which translates in FitzGerald’s work as:

    And if the Wine you drink, the Lip you press,
    End in the Nothing all Things end in — Yes —
    Then fancy while Thou art, Thou art but what
    Thou shalt be — Nothing — Thou shalt not be less.
    A more literal translation could read:

    If with wine you are drunk be happy,
    If seated with a moon-faced (beautiful), be happy,
    Since the end purpose of the universe is nothing-ness;
    Hence picture your nothing-ness, then while you are, be happy!
    آنانكه ز پيش رفته‌اند اى ساقى

    درخاك غرور خفته‌اند اى ساقى
    رو باده خور و حقيقت از من بشنو
    باد است هرآنچه گفته‌اند اى ساقى
    which FitzGerald has boldy interpreted as:

    Why, all the Saints and Sages who discuss’d
    Of the Two Worlds so learnedly — are thrust
    Like foolish Prophets forth; their Words to Scorn
    Are scatter’d, and their Mouths are stopt with Dust.
    A literal translation, in an ironic echo of “all is vanity”, could read:

    Those who have gone forth, thou cup-bearer,
    Have fallen upon the dust of pride, thou cup-bearer,
    Drink wine and hear from me the truth:
    (Hot) air is all that they have said, thou cup-bearer.
    But some specialists, like Seyyed Hossein Nasr who looks at the available philosophical works of Khayyám, maintain that it is really reductive to just look at the poems (which are sometimes doubtful) to establish his personal views about God or religion; in fact, he even wrote a treatise entitled “al-Khutbat al-gharrå˘” (The Splendid Sermon) on the praise of God, where he holds orthodox views, agreeing with Avicenna on Divine Unity.[7] In fact, this treatise is not an exception, and S.H. Nasr gives an example where he identified himself as a Sufi, after criticizing different methods of knowing God, preferring the intuition over the rational (opting for the so-called “kashf”, or unveiling, method):[7]

    “… Fourth, the Sufis, who do not seek knowledge by ratiocination or discursive thinking, but by purgation of their inner being and the purifying of their dispositions. They cleanse the rational soul of the impurities of nature and bodily form, until it becomes pure substance. When it then comes face to face with the spiritual world, the forms of that world become truly reflected in it, without any doubt or ambiguity.
    This is the best of all ways, because it is known to the servant of God that there is no reflection better than the Divine Presence and in that state there are no obstacles or veils in between. Whatever man lacks is due to the impurity of his nature. If the veil be lifted and the screen and obstacle removed, the truth of things as they are will become manifest and known. And the Master of creatures [the Prophet Muhammad]—upon whom be peace—indicated this when he said: “Truly, during the days of your existence, inspirations come from God. Do you not want to follow them?” Tell unto reasoners that, for the lovers of God, intuition is guide, not discursive thought.”

    —‘Umar Khayyåm[27]
    The same author goes on by giving other philosophical writings which are totally compatible with the religion of Islam, as the “al-Risålah fil-wujud” (Treatise on Being), written in Arabic, which begin with Quranic verses and asserting that all things come from God, and there is an order in these things. In another work, “Risålah jawåban li-thalåth maså˘il” (Treatise of Response to Three Questions), he gives a response to question on, for instance, the becoming of the soul post-mortem. S.H. Nasr even gives some poetry where he is perfectly in favor of Islamic orthodoxy, but expressing mystical views (God’s goodness, the ephemerical state of this life, …)[7]:

    Thou hast said that Thou wilt torment me,
    But I shall fear not such a warning.
    For where Thou art, there can be no torment,
    And where Thou art not, how can such a place exist?
    The rotating wheel of heaven within which we wonder,
    Is an imaginal lamp of which we have knowledge by similitude.
    The sun is the candle and the world the lamp,
    We are like forms revolving within it.
    A drop of water falls in an ocean wide,
    A grain of dust becomes with earth allied;
    What doth thy coming, going here denote?
    A fly appeared a while, then invisible he became.
    Considering misunderstandings about Khayyám in the West and elsewhere, S.H. Nasr concludes by saying that if a correct study of the authentic rubaiyat is done, but along with the philosophical works, or even the spiritual biography entitled Sayr wa sulak (Spiritual Wayfaring), we can no longer view the man as a simple hedonistic wine-lover, or even an early skeptic, but a profound mystical thinker and scientist whose works are more important than some verses. [7] C.H.A. Bjerregaard earlier summarised the situation:

    “The writings of Omar Khayyam are good specimens of Sufism but are not valued in the West as they ought to be, and the mass of the people know him only through the poems of Edward Fitzgerald which is unfortunate. It is unfortunate because Fitzgerald is not faithful to his master and model, and at times he lays words upon the tongue of the Sufi which are blasphemous. Such outrageous language is that of the eighty-first quatrain for instance. Fitzgerald is doubly guilty because he was more of a Sufi than he was willing to admit. “[28]
    [edit] Philosopher
    Tomb of Omar Khayyám Neishapuri in Neishapur, IranKhayyám himself rejects to be associated with the title falsafi- (lit. philosopher) in the sense of Aristotelian one and stressed he wishes “to know who I am”. In the context of philosophers he was labeled by some of his contemporaries as “detached from divine blessings”.[29]

    It is now established that Khayyám taught for decades the philosophy of Aviccena, especially “the Book of Healing”, in his home town Nishapur, till his death.[7] In an incident he had been requested to comment on a disagreement between Aviccena and a philosopher called Abu’l-Barakat (known also as Nathanel) who had criticized Aviccena strongly. Khayyám is said to have answered “[he] does not even understand the sense of the words of Avicenna, how can he oppose what he does not know?”[29]

    Khayyám the philosopher could be understood from two rather distinct sources. One is through his Rubaiyat and the other through his own works in light of the intellectual and social conditions of his time.[30] The latter could be informed by the evaluations of Khayyám’s works by scholars and philosophers such as Bayhaqi, Nezami Aruzi, and Zamakhshari and Sufi poets and writers Attar Nishapuri and Najmeddin Razi.

    As a mathematician, Khayyám has made fundamental contributions to the Philosophy of mathematics especially in the context of Persian Mathematics and Persian philosophy with which most of the other Persian scientists and philosophers such as Avicenna, Biruni, and Tusi are associated. There are at least three basic mathematical ideas of strong philosophical dimensions that can be associated with Khayyám.

    1.Mathematical order: From where does this order issue, and why does it correspond to the world of nature? His answer is in one of his philosophical “treatises on being”. Khayyám’s answer is that “the Divine Origin of all existence not only emanates wojud or being, by virtue of which all things gain reality, but It is the source of order that is inseparable from the very act of existence.”[30]
    2.The significance of postulates (i.e. axiom) in geometry and the necessity for the mathematician to rely upon philosophy and hence the importance of the relation of any particular science to prime philosophy. This is the philosophical background to Khayyám’s total rejection of any attempt to “prove” the parallel postulate and in turn his refusal to bring motion into the attempt to prove this postulate as had Ibn al-Haytham because Khayyám associated motion with the world of matter and wanted to keep it away from the purely intelligible and immaterial world of geometry.[30]
    3.Clear distinction made by Khayyám, on the basis of the work of earlier Persian philosophers such as Avicenna, between natural bodies and mathematical bodies. The first is defined as a body that is in the category of substance and that stands by itself, and hence a subject of natural sciences, while the second, called “volume”, is of the category of accidents (attributes) that do not subsist by themselves in the external world and hence is the concern of mathematics. Khayyám was very careful to respect the boundaries of each discipline and criticized Ibn al-Haytham in his proof of the parallel postulate precisely because he had broken this rule and had brought a subject belonging to natural philosophy, that is, motion, which belongs to natural bodies, into the domain of geometry, which deals with mathematical bodies.[30]
    [edit] LegacyA lunar crater Omar Khayyam was named after him in 1970.
    A minor planet called 3095 Omarkhayyam, discovered by Soviet astronomer Lyudmila Zhuravlyova in 1980, is named after him.[31]
    [edit] See also Poetry portal
    Nozhat al-Majales
    The Keeper: The Legend of Omar Khayyam
    Omar Khayyam (film)
    Mathematics in medieval Islam
    Astronomy in medieval Islam
    Xayyam Project
    [edit] Notes

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    raj Reply:

    ok,
    stop the cut & paste
    now name atleast 5 muslims who got noble prize. ?
    be a good boy go to the corner & bend

    ram autar Reply:

    muslim brotherhood is voice of haves not.most of the time dictatorship is better for people ,like in china,than bloody democracy of iraq.democracy is the most advance wepon in the hands of capitalists to rule.iran developed far faster under mullahs and ayatollahs than liberal shah.

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    raj Reply:

    most of the time dictatorship is better for people
    — what do you smoke, are you following news from Egypt. people are protesting from last 4 days to overthrow Mubarak (dictator) – your muslim brotherhood is missing in action.
    so much for brotherhood.

    ram autar Reply:

    what do you smoke, are you following news from Egypt. people are protesting from last 4 days to overthrow Mubarak (dictator) – your muslim brotherhood is missing in action.
    so much for brotherhood

    it means he is not good dictator.but he will survive this onslaughtb with the help of israel and america.he is outdated he should step down.brotherhood is voice of haves not.but like in india
    egytian middle class is also too strong.

    raj Reply:

    it means he is not good dictator — what do you mean by a good dictator. !!!!!!

    brotherhood is voice of haves not.but like in india egytian middle class is also too strong.
    — you are always praising islam, islamic countries & how they are better than india,
    so stop comparing it with kaffir land like india. truth is your brotherhood is found nowhere !!!

    ram autar Reply:

    shan mian here i agree with u .sindh and balochistan may get freedom.newyork based bhagwans wants this for their benefit.they want indian subcontinet like UNITED ARAB EMIRATES. .but dont forget naxal as well they also want liberation fromn brhmncl salvery.there is no difference between hindi or muslim brhmnsts.bangladeshees are lucky they are prospering like anything.since first liberation from sen rajas and then from cruel punjabis..cities are fortress of brhmnsts but coyntry side situation is same as as in sindh.india WE should follow sudan example.
    liberation of south is good for sudan as well.india was centralized by moghuls.before it was conglemation of small states.under indian fedration all states should be free what kashmiris and naxals are demanding.

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  • Ravi

    The Real Face of Hinduism

    Recently, on BBC, I watched a news discussion being chaired by Mishal Hussien and it involved Beeban Kidron and Jay Lakhani of the Hindu Academy. The topic of discussion was “Devdasi”, based around a film that Beeban has recently made. The Hindu gentle man was appearing in order to provide some sort of Hindu defence of this reprehensible tradition. By itself, this was hardly a remarkable discussion.

    However, what is remarkable is that such discussions – where unsavoury aspects of Hindu religion are discussed – have recently increased by significant proportions.

    The world is progressing from glibly admiring the superficially attractive façade of Hinduism and is increasingly asking it to defend its theologically sanctified caste system, which is used to oppress millions of people and to deprive them of their basic human dignity for over two millennia.

    We are now entering an era when Hinduism, as seen on the TV is no longer represented merely as a peace loving vegetarian religion but as an arcane set of beliefs which SANCTIFY, human oppression and deprive large portions of Indian population of their basic human rights.

    Sankhwan-e-tesdik-e-mashrik kahan hain

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/impact_asia/9372357.stm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jan/21/beeban-kidron-devadasi

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    shan Reply:

    How about the women oppressors,limb amputators, fornicators of thirteen year olds and rapist who get away with full religious sanction because the women’s evidence is same as an imbecile man,RELIGION OF PEACE OR PISS (CAMEL’S)

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    ram autar Reply:

    shan u bstrds have killed billions of women in sati prathas and nari prathas.i already told u idiots reality of ur stupid bhagwan.u put a shvlng in ur *** and sleep.give me the name of one cjhut1a bengali who can equate any of thes philosopher.keep a shvlng in ur a…s and sleep.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Now do you believe me that this RAVI guy is Jihadi?

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Interesting statistics from today’s Nw York Times..

    Number of children per woman – Muslim women (mainly Sunni) had on an average on a worldwide basis 3.6 children in 2010 while others (including Shia Iran) had only 1.8.

    The survey also forecasted the Muslim population growth in xx years; and Pakistan will have the largest Muslim population, surpassing Inddonesia by 2030.

    So, what does this mean? for the world and for India? For India, it has many implications:

    - If Pakistan population is growing faster than Indonesia, is it because Indonesia has accepted a “liberal” version of Islam, not arabism/Whabism, whereas Pakistan has gone 100% Arabic “heritage” (the craze in Pakistan now is to discard its Indus roots, and lay claim to the Arab root (?), thanks to Zia huq. With a growing population, ytrained by the Wahabi mullah madrasas, and nothing more to destroy within, will the ejhadis find full time job in destroyoing india ?

    - Will Kashmiri Muslims breed like their bretheren in Pakistan and elsewhere (my understanding is they are majority Sunni) and create an even formidable problem from casualties, will we end up killing much more because the Msulim mothers are breeding more?

    - Will the Indian Msulims follow the general direction of the majority of indians towards a smaller family or breed like the Msulim bretheren elsewhere? What does that mean to tax payer funds earmarked for Msulim welfare? Will it go through the roof? What type of tensions it creates when one group is growing (population wise) 2-3 times the other groups?

    - Is breeding a part of a plan — that oil did notw ork, terrorism did not work, book did not work, so the only way to take over the world is through sheer numbers?

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    ram autar Reply:

    hegde population of brhmns is going down.soon they will be on verge of extinction. which is god news for oppressed of world.

    i told u before population goes with economic status.iran is prosperous hence growth is less.shia are comparatively properous race,hence the growth is less.indian muslim will beat all of them as they are pushed to poverty through a plan.
    laloo when poor had 10 children.kennedy had 10-11 brothers.both were not muslims in pakistan are drowned to poverty because of invasion.
    my dalit hindu neighbour used to have chlldren every year.i asked the reason he awnsered ,that he has only one blanket.i purchased him another.but result wa same.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    It is clear that Ravi and Ram Autar belong to the cult of Islam. Both are Talibanis.

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    ram autar Reply:

    in iran the process is reverse because of prosperity.in emirates 90%of hospital remain empty as young generation girls dont want more babies.

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    raj Reply:

    in emirates 90%of hospital remain empty as young generation girls dont want more babies.
    — may be men are busy with camelks

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  • Ravi

    The U G L Y face of Hinduism.

    300 million people in India are designated as – untouchable – by the upper caste Hindus. This is the equivalent of the combined population of the USA and the UK. These people have been told – for over 3000 years – that they are impure and therefore untouchable. They are repeatedly told that they have no right to dignity.

    Every day in I N D I A – Upper Caste Hindu’s MURDER two dalits.

    Every day in I N D I A – Upper Caste Hindu’s RAPE 3 dalit women.

    Every day in I N D I A – Upper caste Hindu’s BURN down 2 dalit houses.

    In a 10 year period between 1991 and 2000 – 250,000 cases of untouchablity were registered in I N D I A.

    Sankhwan-e-tasdik-e-mashrik kahan hain.

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    raj Reply:

    and your source information is ———————
    (pls fill in the blanks other wise you got it from ram autar’s a**)

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    Ravi Reply:

    raj

    I assume your reason for asking me the source of information is that you doubt the accuracy of the facts provided.

    Lets just test that…..are you doubting that for the last 300 years Upper Caste Hindus have been telling the Dalits that they have no rights and no dignity……

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    raj Reply:

    doubt the accuracy of the facts provided.
    — in fact , there was no fact provided, its your agenda, let me make it clear
    —— just by saying / proving hindus are bad doesn’t make islam better.

    for that matter all religions have got blood in their hand. so don’t try to pick & choose on one.
    if you want to do, be brave & do it for all religions, iam ready.
    but you as a true beleiver are worried about blood on other’s hand rather than yours.

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    It was not my intention to prove Islam as better or worse. I did not even mention the word Islam in any of my posts here. Of course Islam has blood on its hand and yes I agree that all other religions have their own imperfections. I never doubted it.

    However, you imagined my favouritism towards Islam. That is because you are irrationally Islamophobe.

    My motives are simply to point out that our own religion is not as exemplary as we may think.

    So I suggest you look at what is happening in our own home, before you start to pointing fingers at others.

    Hinduism is less than perfect. In fact, there are many unsavoury and U G L Y aspects to it.

    raj Reply:

    However, you imagined my favouritism towards Islam. That is because you are irrationally Islamophobe
    —- sorry, its because you can only see fault only in particular religions and not all religions. irrationally Islamophobe – islam like all religions is irrational,
    so it should be rationally irrational(religion) phobe
    So I suggest you look at what is happening in our own home, before you start to pointing fingers at others.
    — yes we have islam, christain, buddhuist, sikh in our home india, & i hv right to point blood in their hand.

  • Ravi

    The T E R R O R I S T face of Hinduism.

    In Bihar – Ranvir Sena – a private Upper Caste H I N D U army, sweeps through dalit villages and kills, men, women and children.

    They were preserving centuries old way of life – the caste system, which gives tem the right to kill dalits.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Ravi has been exposed..Rabiuddin Bin laden

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    ram autar Reply:

    ravi bin assemanand bin purohit al pragya devi.

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    ram autar Reply:

    sorry it is for rajeev not for ravi.sorry ravi bhai.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You see, you are capable of saying truth SOMETIMES.. ;)

  • ram autar

    Manning’s Torture Commonplace In U.S. Prisons
    By Sherwood Ross

    SHAN,

    January 27, 2011

    The corrosive, solitary confinement being inflicted upon PFC Bradley Manning in the Quantico, Va., brig is no exceptional torture devised exclusively for him. Across the length and breadth of the Great American Prison State, the world’s largest, with its 2.4-million captives stuffed into 5,000 overcrowded lock-ups, some 25,000 other inmates are suffering a like fate of sadistic isolation in so-called supermax prisons, where they are being systematically reduced to veritable human vegetables.

    To destroy Manning as a human being, the Pentagon for the past seven months has barred him from exercising in his cell, and to inhibit his sleep denies him a pillow and sheet and allows him only a scratchy blanket, according to Heather Brooke of “Common Dreams” ( January 26 th .) He is awakened each day at five a.m. and may not sleep until 8 p.m. The lights of his cell are always on and he is harassed every five minutes by guards who ask him if he is okay and to which he must respond verbally. Stalin’s goons called this sort of endless torture the “conveyor belt.”

    Not surprisingly, Manning is attracting global attention to the Pentagon’s sadism. If anyone did not believe the Pentagon’s ruthless treatment of Iraqi prisoners when the Abu Ghraib torture photos were released, they believe it now that it is torturing one of its own. In this assault upon the body and mind of a 23-year-old American soldier, all of the Pentagon’s arrogance and clumsiness is revealed to the world. Perhaps not even the French military—when its frame-up on treason charges of Jewish Colonel Alfred Dreyfus was exposed—attracted to itself the global searchlights of opprobrium now bathing the walls of the Marine Corps brig at Quantico.

    The kind of isolation torture Manning is enduring in recent years has spread itself quietly throughout U.S. correctional facilities like a deadly gangrene. According to one reliable report, by 2003 between five and eight percent of the prison populations of Arizona, Colorado, Maine, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia were rotting in isolation. In some federal prisons the cells are referred to euphemistically as “Communications Management Units” and are, incidentally, “disproportionately inhabited by Muslim prisoners,” according to an American Civil Liberties Union(ACLU) law suit challenging them. In another suit, the ACLU has accused the Texas Youth Commission of “throwing children (girls) into cold, bare solitary confinement cells…” and told the TYC bluntly its “reliance on solitary confinement has to stop.”

    Dr. Stuart Grassian, a veteran of 25 years on the faculty of Harvard Medical School, wrote in a law school journal of his interviews with prisoners in solitary. He said almost a third of them experienced impaired brain function. They “described hearing voices, often in whispers, often saying frightening things to them.” In an article published in “The Long Term View” magazine of the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover, Grassian wrote that about a third succumbed to “acute psychotic, confusional states” in which they saw objects “becoming larger and smaller, seeming to ‘melt’ or change form.” And this was only one of the syndromes experienced.

    In a related article published in the same issue (Volume 7, No. 2), Dr. Atul Gawande of Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston, cited the findings of psychology professor Craig Haney of the University of California at Santa Cruz on isolation’s impact. Some inmates in the Pelican Bay supermax, Haney found, even after just months of isolation, suffered “Chronic apathy, lethargy, depression, and despair often result…In extreme cases, prisoners may literally stop behaving, becoming essentially catatonic.” This, of course, is what the Pentagon apparently seeks to inflict on Manning. In June, 2006, the Commission on Safety and Abuse in America’s Prisons recommended ending long-term isolation of prisoners but the so-called “House of War” wasn’t listening.

    In the 2008 presidential race, Gawande wrote, both Obama and McCain came out firmly for banning torture and closing Guantanamo Bay prison where hundreds have been held in years-long isolation, yet neither “addressed the question of whether prolonged solitary confinement is torture.” McCain spent two of his five years as a POW in Viet Nam in solitary, later stating: “It’s an awful thing, solitary. It crushes your spirit and weakens your resistance more effectively than any other form of mistreatment.”

    The U.S. willingness to hold prisoners in isolation for years “made it easy to discard the Geneva Conventions prohibiting similar treatment of foreign prisoners of war, to the detriment of America’s moral stature in the world,” Gawande wrote, adding, “In much the same way that a previous generation of Americans countenanced legalized segregation, our (generation) has countenanced legalized torture. And there is no clearer manifestation of this than our routine use of solitary confinement—on our own people, in our own communities, in a supermax prison…”

    ” This conduct (solitary confinement) by the U.S. Federal and State governments constitutes torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment in violation of the Convention Against Torture and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, both of which are treaties to which the United States is a contracting party,” says international legal authority Francis Boyle, professor of the subject at the University of Illinois, Champaign.

    Boyle believes, “As citizens of America and human beings in the world, we must do all in our power to terminate such illegal and criminal practices that are daily perpetrated by our own governmental institutions in our name against our fellow citizens and human beings.” Boyle is the author of “Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law”(Amazon).

    Those supporting Manning need to recognize he is an icon for the bizarre, systemic destruction of tens of thousands of other human beings locked away in perpetual silence by their tormentors, often for mere infractions of prison rules, without the review of any judge or jury. As the ACLU told the TYC, this must be stopped. What action will you take in your community to put an end to it?

    (Sherwood Ross is a Florida-based public relations consultant for good causes and director of the Anti-War News Service. Disclosure: he was editor of “The Long-Term View magazine cited in this article and is a media consultant to the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover.)

    Take action

    – click here to contact your local newspaper or congress people:
    Please protest the torture of PFC Bradley Manning and enact legislation

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  • Kishan

    It is the inexperience and incompetence of Omar Abdullah that is creating the problems. And the stone throwers the last summer were paid for throwing stones from across the border. Even the separatists are slowly realizing that they are fighting a losing battle. Omar should put them in their place.
    The irony is that not even the Kashmiris know what is it that they actually want, let alone Zia. Their agenda was to join Pakistan but Pakistan itself is sinking, so now they talk of Azadi, knowing fully that Azadi for Kashmir is an impractical idea.
    I think Zia also needs to get mature in his thinking.

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  • ram autar

    rajeev,raj shan and benoy pl visit this .

    New York exhibit highlights 1,001 Muslim innovations

    Between the 7th and 17th centuries

    Eight-year-old Marissa Campis is playing a game that is part of the new exhibition, “1,001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World” at the New York Hall of Science in Queens, New York. The touch screen displays a family room, asking visitors to select the items invented during the height of Islam’s “Golden Age”, which lasted for 1,000 years between the 7th and 17th centuries.

    “What they made was interesting – like an old fashioned camera,” said Marissa, referring to her favourite invention, a camera obscura, which paved the way for modern day photography. She didn’t know it yet, but she was learning about Muslim culture from Asia, Africa and the southern part of Europe.

    The New York Hall of Science was the first stop of the American tour after installations in London and Istanbul drew a recording-breaking 800,000 visitors.

    The exhibition’s displays engage visitors not only by explaining how scientific inventions work, it also challenges negative stereotypes of Muslims that have become commonplace as a result of those who associate their hateful actions with Islam. This was reflected by a Pew Research Center report from 2009 that states 38 percent of Americans say Islam encourages violence more than other faiths.

    The exhibition breaks down the stereotype that Muslims are associated with violence. By informing visitors of the rich cultural heritage of Muslims, the installation also dispels the narrative that has been shaped by Orientalism, a Western perspective of the East that is often criticised for misrepresenting Eastern civilisation as being less innovative and generally in opposition to Western culture. This view has prevailed for centuries in the West. The scientific achievements from Islam’s Golden Age are surprising to all visitors regardless of their religion; this will be the first time many Muslim Americans learn about these inventions as well since it is a period of time that is not taught in most schools in the West.

    While the era covered by the exhibition is considered the Golden Age of Muslim civilisation, this was the same period as Europe’s Dark Ages. This disparity is addressed in the short film 1001 Inventions and The Library of Secrets that introduces the exhibition, starring Academy Award-winning actor Ben Kingsley. The film, in which Kingsley plays 12th century Turkish inventor Al Jazari, follows a group of 21st century teenagers who are taken by Al Jazari on a journey to meet scientists and engineers from Islam’s Golden Age. The film won the Best Educational Film award at 2010 Cannes Film Festival.

    As they walk through the purple and gold themed exhibition hall, visitors are drawn to the centrepiece of the display, a 20-foot replica of a water-powered clock created by Al Jazari. And across from the clock is a suspended model of a flying machine designed by 9th century inventor Abbas ibn Firnas, who some consider to be the first person to make a scientific attempt at flying. Yet another popular feature is a drawing of the ship used by the 15th century Muslim Chinese admiral Zheng He, whose ships have been estimated to be as large as football fields.

    The display also focuses on non-Muslim scientists and inventors, such as Maimonides – the 12th century Jewish physician from Cordoba, Spain – who worked with Muslim philosophers. His place in the exhibition reveals the successful intercultural partnerships of scientists that led to some of the greatest scientific inventions in history. This history of partnerships is also reflected by the fact that inventors from Islam’s Golden Age built upon the knowledge of their predecessors from Ancient Rome and Greece, and the work of Muslim scientists was later used by European inventors during the Renaissance Era.

    Such links demonstrate the rich legacy of scientific achievements shared by humanity.

    The “1,001 Inventions” exhibition, an initiative of the Foundation for Science, Technology and Civilisation, a non-profit, non-religious and academic organisation in the UK, will be in New York until April. Its next stop will be the California Science Center in Los Angeles before it moves to the National Geographic Museum in Washington, DC in 2012. Visitors of the exhibition will learn that we can look past today’s differences between East and West because history shows us that the greatest scientific inventions still used today are a result of the partnerships of scientists from across the world.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Also read about how these 1001 inventions were stolen from civillizations conquered by arab muslims. You can not claim persian acheivements as your own…
    There was never any scienitific thought in Islam.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Past is past, and good things from the past should inspire for accomplishments and achievements.

    Unfortunately for Muslims, they have to go back to a frozen time to talk about the golden time. The process for innovation, inquiry stopped for them in 1300s , never to recover. They can go on blaming everybody else; that is not going to change an iota, unless they themselves join the larger world.

    May be, may be may be, the wave of discontent spreading from Tunisia to Egypt may usher a new era. It can also be a journey backward, if islamic brotherhood takes over Egypt.

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    ram autar Reply:

    pped for them in 1300s , never to recover

    hefde it is not true

    May be, may be may be, the wave of discontent spreading from Tunisia to Egypt may usher a new era.

    things are financial.most of these rulers are supported by american jews or israel their exit will bring betterment it will follow iraqi pattern.no one knows.

    upto 19th century books written by muslims were taught in oxford .oxford started with books from spain.

    ram autar Reply:

    hegde ur hate has closed yr brains.open yr eyes even in india everything good was made by muslims where there were no moghuls no development.8000 kilometer roads from calcutta to kabul was built by nuslims.why britshers came here .to loot wealth of muslim india.during muslim rule india became economic super power.from murshudabad to ahmadabad were built by muslims.india was paradize of earth.

    prince charles told in a speech that church now should accept base of european civiliation is muslim civilization.even from jakarta to istamboul and khartoum are well managed clean cities providing jobs to millions of europeans and indians.without enough science and technology QUTUB NINAR could not have built.330 meter tructure standing from 800 years.

    be fair dont go after brhmnst zoinist propaganda.crusaders have taken muslim astronomy and physics ,with the help of that they were able to find another route for trade with india.(cape of good hope.)since then clouds of depression spreaded over west descended on middle east.
    then economic exploitation of theses countries like india by west ,changed the`scenorio.but time chages.iran is example.our society is not money based society its base is morality and deeds`will come up very soon.

    ram autar Reply:

    civillizations conquered by arab muslims

    which civilization

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Persian…Indian…Mesopotamian…Egyptian…

    raj Reply:

    but still you haven’t named 5 beleiver who got noble prize….

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    ram autar Reply:

    go down u will find .per capita income of turkey is 5 time more than india.

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    raj Reply:

    The “1,001 Inventions” exhibition, an initiative of the Foundation for Science, Technology and Civilisation, a non-profit, non-religious and academic organisation in the UK
    — hiding the truth like a true beleiver – thaqia

    a non-profit, non-religious – liar , thought lying is haram….
    — the orignal is here from muslim heritage site, its their agenda

    http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=829

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  • ram autar

    continued,

    100 200 years are nothing.but we have contributed a lot to the development of humanity.entire irrigation system of india was developed on pattern of muslim spain.before passing comments please study.

    rajeev is brainwashed by hindu zionists.they are expert in brainwashing.that is why theyhave the key of the circus of 33 crores devtas.

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    raj Reply:

    — muslim spain

    no wonder spain is still one of the sick boy in european union.

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    ram autar Reply:

    under muslim rule when paris and london had mud houses cordoba and al hamra were most beautiful secular cities,inhibited by jews,christians and muslims,like dubai or jakarta of today. of world with stree lighting water ,drainage and irrigation system.having best universities of world.oxford was established 500 yrs later with books from cordoba.

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    raj Reply:

    oxford was established 500 yrs later with books from cordoba.

    — was it already in english….

    raj Reply:

    under muslim rule when paris and london had mud houses cordoba and al hamra were most beautiful secular cities
    — it cannot be secular city when you have
    1. sharia law (law based on fairy tales – not a standard rule for all citizen
    2. citizens separted as beleiver & non beleiver
    3. zakat
    4. protection money from non beleivers
    5. canot have church
    6. practise slavery

    raj Reply:

    under muslim rule when paris and london had mud houses
    — today, more beleivers are queing for french & uk visa to live with kaffirs rather than cordoba and al hamra or land of pure or to live with bin laden. actually they are doing all haram things to get away from arab lands and live happily in western countries rather than live with true belivers.

    what went wrong with those secular cities with all facilities ?
    now, do you agree that it was all stories about cordoba and al hamra.

  • ram autar

    Ahmed Zewail (1999 in Chemistry), Anwar Sadat (1978 in Peace) and Naguib Mahfouz (1988 in Literature).
    raj, the above three also got nobel peace prize apart from mohd elbaradi.add to ur knowledge.there are many turks as well.

    india is 15 time more in population.india cannot produce big brains as entire population is victim of brhmncl circus of 33crores elephants.hindu values are based on money not on morality or quality.

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    ram autar Reply:

    also add
    mubarak hussian buamama(obama)
    yasser arafat.

    there are many others.innovators of 1001 should be added to this.except kaamasutra u have nothing to offer the world.

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    raj Reply:

    see my earlier reply about obama… he is a christian, not a muslim !!!!!
    — On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
    — now go out & get a life or learn to use wikipedia – another kaffir thing… haram ???

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    raj Reply:

    except kaamasutra u have nothing to offer the world.
    — you got kaffir phobia….
    actully our perfume garden was copied from kamasutra… but orignal is still the best.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perfumed_Garden

    but still more people read kamasura & not perfume garden, why , is it due to our worthless positions !!! always bending…. & holding camels

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    ram autar Reply:

    i agree most of the readers of kamasutra are muslims.i dont have kafir mania.u r challenging i am only awnsering.i didi not ask in population of 120 crores how many of u got noble prize.
    christians physically liquated almost every idol worshipper during witch hunting.muslim ruler of india used to celeberate holi dewali in their palaces with same fervor.

    JINKE GHAR SHEESHE KE HOTEIN HAIN DOOSRON PAR PATHAR PHEKTE.

    TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG.

    EK ROAD OR STRUCTURE INTERNATIONAL KA NAHIN BANA PAYE BATEIN BADI BADI.

    TRIVIA, BINGE DRINKING AND BOASTING IS MAIN PASTIME FOR PEOPLE LIKE U.

    raj Reply:

    u r challenging i am only awnsering.
    — sorry , you were sprouting nonsense on these pages & you were corrected. you said these , nuclear physict – El baradi, obama = muslim , Foundation for Science, Technology is non relegious while its a front for muslim heritage.

    i didi not ask in population of 120 crores how many of u got noble prize
    – you mentioned muslim are great in science & technolgy & invented 1001 things. i wanted to know how many got noble prize, i wanted to improve my knowledge, is it wrong seek knowledge, while qoran itself says seek knowledge !!! is in’t it.

    TRIVIA, BINGE DRINKING AND BOASTING IS MAIN PASTIME FOR PEOPLE LIKE U.
    - label people when you cannot answer them or caught lying

    TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG
    — easy to advise, for a start why not stop harping on kaffirs (hindu, jews, christin)

    raj Reply:

    muslim ruler of india used to celeberate holi dewali in their palaces with same fervor.
    — when they should not be in india in the first place. who invited them to india ? after killing millions of hindus, they celebrated . how sick !!!!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    Remind me who invited Hindus into India??

    raj Reply:

    Remind me who invited Hindus into India??
    — ok who invited buddhiust, jains & other religions. there was indegenious native population which was secular & people were following whatever religion they want. no one was invited.
    – using your logic , who invited muslims to iraq, so its ok to have usa presence there.

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    raj Reply:

    as you alread proved, kaffirs are no good so leave them alone. lets not worry about their a**

    your blood cousins – few million jews managed to get around 30 noble prize, but with billion beleivers you could not even get more than 5!!! ( will chk the count again.) & 3 of is not for science or technology but as per you beleiver are best in science & technology & invented almost everything !!!!

    no need to mention you other million christian blood brother who got nopble prize..

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    ram autar Reply:

    christian and jews are believers.add prof abdusalam in physics and one bamgladeshi in microeconomics.yes this century is their century .how many of ur got nothing.as compare to ur populatiofew million jews managed to get around 30 noble prizen.

    why u are celeberation for the succes of others u are almost zero as compare to population .after partition since india became hindu nobody got any nobe prize.science or no science prize come with hard work.

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    raj Reply:

    india became hindu
    — stop twisting truth. india is a democratic republic.
    its not hindu….. did you read history in school

    ram autar Reply:

    talk about urslf u are almost zero.as compare to ur population.we accept from last 200 years our scientific achievement is not commendable.but u are except in fraud how u stole 280lac crores no body knows.yoga is biggest fraud.

    india was introduced to west by ibn buruni.

    raj begani shaadi mein abdullah deevana.
    agar kisi jew ko nobel price mila to usme raj ka kya contribution.

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    raj Reply:

    .but u are except in fraud how u stole 280lac crores no body knows
    — WTF is it. again having problem with 00′es

    .yoga is biggest fraud.
    — few msgs back you mentioned
    TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG.
    —now you say joga is fraud
    see you cannot hide your kaffir phobia even for few minutes

    raj Reply:

    raj begani shaadi mein abdullah deevana.
    agar kisi jew ko nobel price mila to usme raj ka kya contribution

    — i don’t know this language, can you write in english.

    TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG.

    ram autar Reply:

    u r challenging i am only awnsering.
    — sorry , you were sprouting nonsense on these pages & you were corrected. you said these , nuclear physict – El baradi, obama = muslim , Foundation for Science, Technology is non relegious while its a front for muslim heritage.

    obama is muslim by birth and even now he is muslim otherwise he will not insist for hussain to be spoken correctly during oath taking ceremony.no muslim has ever left his religion.have u seen any.his father grandfather all were muslim.mother was convert.
    el baradi was the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency commission.tell me any of u ever reached to this position.he was noble prize holder.

    didi not ask in population of 120 crores how many of u got noble prize
    – you mentioned muslim are great in science & technolgy & invented 1001 things

    even in india ar rehman is example of greatness.like tendulkar.

    yes ,i say we were great upto 17 century.then after reainssence europe came.but they built their institutions from money robbed from muslim india.with the help of brhmns.IT IS TRUE MUSLIMS INNOVATED 1001 ITEMS.if u have objection or u feel it is wrong ,challenge it officially.europeans took algebra,geometry,chemistry (word chemistry has come from arabic word chemia)l,astronomy and physics from middle east and developed this.read and tell me any any european or indian equivalent to averros
    why u are asking all this western countries consider u people like shit,a cheap labour.ur own contribution is zero.zero was invented by shephards.u insulted indian scientists.bharat kee science ka use pundito ne janamkundali(brhmncl fraud)nikalne me kiya.kabhi padhe likhe ko shraadh mein nahi bulaya.

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    raj Reply:

    even in india ar rehman is example
    — dilip converted to rehaman, he is hindu by birth
    same as your obama
    obama is muslim by birth and even now he is muslim

    raj Reply:

    yes ,i say we were great upto 17 century
    — we —- who is that

    money robbed from muslim india
    — wtf, mogul robbed from hindu india. this is correct history. seems ghauri came for picnic to india.

    .bharat kee science ka use pundito ne janamkundali(brhmncl fraud)nikalne me kiya.kabhi padhe likhe ko shraadh mein nahi bulaya.
    — pls write this in english – TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG.

  • raj

    per capita income of turkey is 5 time more than india.

    — don’t include christian cyproit in this survey. now give the beleivers figure.

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    ram autar Reply:

    i am talking of turkey.cyproit is very poor they survive by giving their women to lebnese muslims.
    saudia is 7 times.

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    raj Reply:

    cyproit is very poor they survive by giving their women to lebnese muslims

    — but this seems to be better than child prostitution in iran
    http://ethnikoi.org/iran.html

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    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    How does the Child prostituion in India, as SANCTIFIED by the HINDU Religion, compare with the child prostituion in Iran.

    ram autar Reply:

    prostitutes are hanged in iran.in india they are supplied to temples to be fkd by bhang eating pujaris.

    ram autar Reply:

    this is fkng jewish propaganda.in saudia many people loose their neck homosexuality.ayyapan was product of homosexuality.he is worshipped.israel is world capital of pornography and prostitution.6 porn channels are on 24 hrs a day,7 days a weak and 365 days in year.
    u people are nowhere near near christianity.idol worshippers were hanged in europe by catholcs.

    shan Reply:

    @raj, jaw dropping, then again you cannot wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. Read the above link posted by you keeping in mind IRAN HAS THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC TO PORN SITES AND THE COMONEST WORD SEARCH IN GOOGLE PAKISTAN IS SEX , HORSE SEX ETC

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Ravi, you are disengenuous when you make statement “child prostitution sanctified and sanctioned by Hindu religion”…

    There is no “pope”, Deobandi Mullah, or anybody in “power or influence” in hindu religion to sanction or sanctify; neitehr theer are followers to follow a Mullah type figure. There was a “devdasi” practice in ceratin southern parts of India; when it started, it was girls from noble families dedicated, just like a christian family deciding one child will be numn or priest. These girls were highly educated; considered in high esteem. Like anything; over a period of time it got deteriorated , and became an enunciation into prostitution.

    Blogging that India has child prostitution and Hindu religion supports it etc are the jealous vomitting of Pakistani Muslims. India is progressing at 10%, it has problems, people will fix the problems.

    FYI, Obama, in his State of the Union speech, mentioned that US kids will have to go to china and India in serach of jobs – Ur guys create post graduate institites of tyerrorism while Indians are creating world class institutes and people (ya there are zillions of untouchable and dalits and downtrodden nobody wamnting muslims…)

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    The original post of mine was to introduce the fact that Beeban Kidron has made a film about “Devadasi” tradition, and the point you make was also made by the Hindu Gentleman who came on the BBC to discuss this film.

    I do not deny that over a period of time the Devdasi Tradition has metamorphosed from a good to a terrible idea.

    However, in its present terrible form, the Devdasi practice has been around for centuries and to date no successful attempt has been made to reform it.

    With regards to the fact that there exists no Central Authority in Hinduism, I don’t see how that falsifies my contention that the Devdasi Practice is Sanctified. My assertion is based upon the fact that a Hindu Temple, a Hindu Priest and a Hindu deity are involved are all involved in this brutal practice. Do you deny this?

    Once again before you accuse me; of favouring Muslim’s or of suggesting that Muslims do not commit any social misdemeanours, then let me re-iterate, there are many disagreeable things in Islam and Muslim societies are far from perfect. But then again I am not the one who – at every available opportunity – throws brick-bats at them and whilst ignoring the unsavoury and unacceptable practices of my own religion. (Yes I am a Hindu).

    As far as economic growth in India is concerned then, like you I am very proud of it, but I do not let that prevent me from wishing for long overdue reforms, in relations to the treatment meted to Dalits and other backward classes in India.

    Ravi Reply:

    Small Comfort

    This is the table listing – in order – the name of countries, where the search term “Sex” was used in Google.

    1. Pakistan
    2. India
    3. Egypt
    4. Turkey
    5. Algeria
    6. Morocco
    7. Indonesia
    8. Vietnam
    9. Iran
    10. Croatia

    Before Raj – mindlessly – asks for source, here it is.

    …..http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics-pg3.html

    raj Reply:

    Small Comfort
    This is the table listing – in order

    — as its been proved kaffirs are uselss, i don’t know why you bring in india.
    big comfort, 7 are islamic countries !!! . (1,3,4,5,6,7,9) , ok !!!!

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Well, India has the second largest Muslim population; so no wonder india is in the lsit behind Pakistan and among all other Muslim countries in the search for “sex”.

    It is a fact that many “gay” and wild sex sites have more Pakistani members than members from india, in absiolute numbers, although india has ten times the population than pakistan.

    In fact, public TV recently showed a documentary about how Pakistani and Afghnistani men ‘cultivate” and kep boys as their ’side wives”. We are not talking about a dead Devdasi system or one temple in BElgaum; we are talking about a widely accepted, across teh country, thriving, nobody looking down, man-boy system. These boys were known under some name, something like “second wife”, and men took them with them as “trophy” wives/boys. People will murder for these boys (because occasionally another man lures them with more comfort and money).. the interesting thing was there were no laws against this, it was a badge of honour, nobody looked down upon it, and it was not restricted to one single village, but all the way from karachi to kandahar.

    Now let us wait to see what happens to Egypt. Another country will be under the ISlamists. good company for Pakis.

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj and Binoy

    So what you would like the readers to believe is the following:

    Because 7 of 10 countries in the list are Islamic, then it follows that ALL the traffic coming from India must be coming from Indian Muslims.————No Comment———-

    Binoy

    Devdasi in your opinion is a Dead Tradition, sadly no one told Beeban Kidron. Had she spoken to you before embarking on her project, it would have saved her a lot of money and time. Half a dozen or so women who are interviewed in her film, must have been resurrected from their graves. ———————-No Comment——————–

    Every-time some one points towards problems in Hinduism and or Indian Society, you mention unsavoury practices in Islam/Afghanistan/Pakistan. Why?

    Is there some kind of race going on between India/Hinduism to see who is worse.

    I am aware of the issues with Islam and Muslim societies. It is YOU who repeatedly under plays:

    1. Widespread practice of Child Marriage in Rajasthan. This is not a dead practice it is current.
    2. Incest is more prevalent in India than in any other country (Raj go and find your own sources you lazy twat)
    3. Hindu Sanctified Prostitution is widespread in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka.
    4. Female foeticide is dangerously skewing male/female ratio in Punjab/Haryana and Delhi.
    5. Over 300 million Indian citizens do not have basic human rights and suffer quotidian violence.
    6. A form of Slavery is practiced all over India.
    7. Thousands of Dalits are raped and murdered with impunity, in India.
    8. It is only in India, where one human being cannot drink water from the same well as another human being.

    To you all of the above does not matter, what matters to you is that WE must appear to be better than THEM. Ha ha ha.

    You are childish.

    raj Reply:

    2. Incest is more prevalent in India than in any other country (Raj go and find your own sources you lazy twat)
    – chk this, again muslims lead other
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam

    Worldwide, it has been estimated that almost half of all Muslims are inbred:

    A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called “consanguinity”) and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30 percent (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants)

    Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.).[11]

    raj Reply:

    So what you would like the readers to believe is the following:
    Because 7 of 10 countries in the list are Islamic, then it follows that ALL the traffic coming from India must be coming from Indian Muslims.————No Comment———-
    — this is your assumption that readers will assume what you assume. to be my assumption
    assumption is mother of all f****up – forgot the movie, die hard 3 ??
    readers are not fools

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    The list of 10 nations– Vietnam must be a mistake; may be it is yemen (oops, they cannot afford internet!)

    Well Croatia– they have lot of Muslims, you remeber Bosnia-Herzagovinia

    A Muslim preaching “high culture” is oxymoron in todays world. May eb it was OK in 1200. Muslism are frozen in 1200, while others have advanced way beyond..

    And there is no meaning in blaming the 30 million jews or Christians or Hindus for the plight. Muslims brought it on themselves.. Look what they did to “their own pure country’ Pakistan..

    I know most of the Indian Muslim brothers believe in India, and theya re Indians first and second and do not subscribe to these nonsense. They rather live in today’s world rather than aspire 72 virgins in afterlife..Losers.

    Ravi Reply:

    SOME LIGHT READING FOR RAJ

    It was a national debate on a news channel. Tempers were running high, so were the decibels. The subject was explosive – Haryana’s khaps and their diktats. In the midst of this charged atmosphere, a voice rose above the rest, silencing them all. Seema, a law graduate and resident of Karora village, made an allegation that changed the course of the debate. Her brother had been executed for marrying a woman from the same gotra, but that was not what Seema wanted to talk about on the primetime show. It was another shameful reality of Haryana villages she wanted to expose – incest.

    “Khaps should look into their homes before passing fatwas on lovers and crying hoarse about honour. Incest is rampant in the state and virtually every home is affected. Where is the honour anyway ?” she screamed.

    Read more: Incest: Haryana’s shameful social heritage – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Incest-Haryanas-shameful-social-heritage/articleshow/6451268.cms#ixzz1CVpOc0ik

    ___________________________________________________________

    Rape

    Rape is the fastest growing crime in India. Every hour Indian women face two rapes, two kidnappings, four molestations and seven incidents of cruelty from husbands and relatives [National Crime Records Bureau Report 2006]

    Incest

    Delhi based organisation RAHI said 76% of respondents to its survey had been abused when they were children – 40% of those by a family member. 4% were abused by their own fathers or brothers.

    Prostitution

    Out of the 593 districts in India, 378 or 62.5 % are affected by human trafficking. In 2006, United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) sponsored study conducted by Shakti Vahini, found that domestic violence, illiteracy, unemployment, poverty; unsafe migration and child marriage are the major reasons for the increasing rate of illegal human trafficking.

    95 % of the women in Madhya Pradesh in commercial sex are due to family traditions. So are 51.79 % in Bihar,’ said the study. While 43 % of the total women trafficked are minors, 44 percent of the women are into flesh trade due to poverty. Of the total women who are into sex work in the country, 60 % are from the lower and backward class, which indicates the pathetic living condition of the communities. In Madhya Pradesh, a political bastion of Hindu right wing party, 96.7 % of the women sex workers are from the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes.

    India has 4 million prostitutes nationwide and 60% of the prostitutes are from the Scheduled Castes and Tribes or other backward caste. UNAIDS says over 38% of those living with HIV in India are women.

    The year 2008, reported more than 20,000 rapes (and estimates say only about one in 69 cases is reported in India). In a staggering 92 per cent of the cases, the perpetrators were known to the victim. One of the worst places for a woman to live in, in terms of personal safety and security, India records 57 rape cases per day, up by 800 per cent if one considers the seven per day recorded in 1971. This is excluding the several others that are muffled or pushed under the carpet for reasons of ‘honour’ and ‘family name’. Rape is present as at least one of every four crimes recorded in India. Every hour, there are at least 20 crimes committed against women across the country. And out of all rape cases, only about 20 per cent actually see conviction for the offenders.

    According to 2008 statistics, out of 35 cities checked for women’s security, national as well as rape capital Delhi stood first, with an incredible one-third of total rapes happening here. If the capital of the country and one of its biggest cities does not guarantee safety, what will? And to think that these are estimates that don’t even reveal the whole truth. If one were to have the ‘real’ figures in hand, one would realise that there is indeed truth in the claim that rape is India’s biggest crime at the moment.

    ……..http://kamasutranews.wordpress.com/india-sex-rape-poverty/

    _______________________________________________________

    Just how big an issue is incest in India? Well obviously a topic like this will always be in the shadows and one may have even to look at the definition of the word “incest”. In South India, marriages happen between cousins (especially cross-cousins, that is, the children of a brother and sister) and even between uncles and nieces (especially a man and his elder sister’s daughter). That is culturally acceptable and would not be termed as an incestuous relationship.

    A report produced by the BBC a decade ago had opined citing research sources that Close-knit family life in India masks an alarming amount of sexual abuse of children and teenage girls by family members. It said that that disbelief, denial and cover-up to preserve the family reputation is often put before the individual child and its abuse. A report from RAHI, a Delhi based NGO working with child sexual abuse titled “ Voices from the Silent Zone,” suggests that nearly three-quarters of upper and middle class Indian women are abused by a family member – more than often an uncle, a cousin or an elder brother.

    Indeed, sexual abuse of children in any form of household setting by a family member in India is among the most urgent forms of child abuse which our society must address. As per women’s organizations and activists nearly ninety-five percent of the abused are girls and more than ninety-five percent abusers are males. Surveys carried out in schools and informal chats reveal that around 40% girls experience incest abuse or sexual abuse in one or the other form in India. How deep the ice berg is can perhaps be gauged by the fact that 6% of all calls made to CHILDLINE (a 24-hour Indian helpline for children in distress) in the last ten years have reported Child Sexual Abuse(CSA) — 6% of 10 million calls! There probably could not be greater statistical validation that CSA/incest is the most under-reported child rights violations in India.

    In India, there is no single law that specifically deals with child abuse, and there is no clear delineation of sexual abuse in the Indian Penal Code. Indian laws consider only “assault to outrage the modesty of a woman,” rape by penile penetration, and “unnatural sexual intercourse” like sodomy as punishable sexual crimes

  • ram autar

    TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG
    — easy to advise, for a start why not stop harping on kaffirs (hindu, jews, christin)

    we dont hate anybody.we have provided employment to 20 million hindus which is feeding half india.

    dont ask our wealth only one sheikh of abu dhabi can buy 4 bill gate.

    christian and jew call u little macaca.use u as cheap labour.

    )India has strongly taken up with the US the issue of Indian students duped by the Tri-Valley University in California being made to wear radio collars for monitoring purposes, urging the American authorities to remove them and treat them fairly and reasonably. Jayanth Jacob
    the above is ur respect.u r honoured in muslim countries.if rat moves with elephant he will remain rat.

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    ram autar Reply:

    as per unesco report hindu (brhmnst)india is also the biggest open latrine of the world.

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    raj Reply:

    – seems mecca/jeddah is trying to overtake india, why are they competing with stupid kafirs ?

    http://www.al-shorfa.com/cocoon/meii/xhtml/en_GB/features/meii/features/main/2010/07/17/feature-01

    Abdullah was referring to a lake formed over the past 25 years when tanker trucks started dumping Jeddah’s sewage haphazardly in an area called Aslaa Valley.
    The sewage lake, sarcastically called “Musk Lake” by city residents because of its awful odour, is about 14.5 km northeast of Jeddah and holds about 50 million cubic metres of sewage water.

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  • ram autar

    IRAN HAS THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC TO PORN SITES AND THE COMONEST WORD SEARCH IN GOOGLE PAKISTAN IS SEX , HORSE SEX ETC

    shan triputi has biggest brothel of world.in calcutta and bombay more than 400-500 thousands prostitute live in one area.isreal ur father has 6 porn channels running round the clock.delhi is the rape capital of world telaviv runs biggest global prostitution racket of the world under nose of their official.

    in latest report india is also biggest open latrine of world.iran and pakistan i can understand.their women and men bothare sex thirsty.like saudis who can fk 10-12 times a day easily.ISEE KO MARD KAHTE HAIN.i nhave seen their power in beyrouth.
    pak girls especially punjabis are too sx thirsty.tau ko unke bare mein bhi kafi pata hai.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ram autar, Blimey looks like pakistani punjab and saudi is THE COUNTRY TO BE FOR A BATCHELOR wont mind temporary conversion to islam.

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  • ram autar

    ravi bhai benoy kya bole ga,

    lord krishna made caste.hence the caste is divine.women is not coming in those castes.hence their murder killing or`raping dont carry any punishment.that is why billions of women were burnt alive ,never ever any religious authrity came to their resue.people outside caste have body but no soul.

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    raj Reply:

    i cannot understand your complicated english, pls make it simpler…
    billions – now you got million, billion with existing 00′es problem

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    ram autar Reply:

    women is harrased beaten and killed from thousands of years.if u add figure billion is not imaginary.
    it will be like that.all surrounding countries have women men ratio as 3to one.india has 9to 10.

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    ram autar Reply:

    If you thought Greek tragedies such as Odeipus Rex were embarrassing in their details of incest, our own epics and mythological texts are no less. They, in fact, abound with instances where men and women have conjugated with close kin. For instance, in the Mahabharata, Arjuna was married to Subhadra, the daughter of his aunt Rohini. Then there is the union of Yama with his twin sister Yami;Manu, son of Vivasvat, and his sister Sraddha;Prajapati and his daughter Ushas;Pushan and his sister Surya;Sukra and his three sisters;Satrajita and his 10 sisters;Nahusha and his sister Viraja. Purukutsa’s queen Narmada after her husband’s death obtained a son through her own brother

    Read more: Incest: Haryana’s shameful social heritage – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Incest-Haryanas-shameful-social-heritage/articleshow/6451268.cms#ixzz1CWG6iU5X

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    raj Reply:

    as you proved already, kaffirs are no good , there is no point in talkign about them , they are not worth talking about.
    but it seems beleiver are following the kafirs in case of incest, child prostitutuon, & open laterine as in above message. now do you hv anyting to talk about flag hoising
    next time avoid cut & paste, just the link is ok, i will go there and read it.

    ram autar Reply:

    nothing like this u are twisting the truth as u have nothing to awnser.protitution among hindus is part of religion and tradition among muslim it is due to poverty.

  • ram autar

    FYI, Obama, in his State of the Union speech, mentioned that US kids will have to go to china and India in serach of jobs – Ur guys create post graduate institites of tyerrorism while Indians are creating world class institutes and people

    benoy there is no world class institute in india.that is why foreign universities are invading india.
    brhmnst are only terrorists in india .after aseemanand confession u cannot say no.in pakistan and afghanistan.have resistence.invidual terrorism is response to global and state terrorism.where there is no america there is no terrorism.
    only terrorist in world are zoinists and their satanic cousins in india.

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  • ram autar

    raj begani shaadi mein abdullah deevana.
    agar kisi jew ko nobel price mila to usme raj ka kya contribution

    — i don’t know this language, can you write in english.

    this is wording of punya bhasha called hindi.though now dream of hindi hindu hindustan is finished for ever as rss run vidya bharti schools have taken english as their medium of instruction.

    meaning above line is abdullah is mad in others marriage.if jew gets noble prize why brhmnst are cleberating.

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    raj Reply:

    .though now dream of hindi hindu hindustan
    — india has 23 languages & 100 relegions , as you said earlier TALK OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY AND MAKING INDIA STRONG – not everyone speak hindi,
    your kaffir phobia took you off to RSS & english medium. did you take your medicine, really.

    if jew gets noble prize why brhmnst are cleberating.
    — because they will not call it jewish invention !!!! or name it jewish invention 1000001

    abdullah is mad in others marriage
    — is he jelous of other getting married, can he not find a bride or doesn’t want to miss his camel

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    ram autar Reply:

    rss run vidya bharti schools used to run to teach sanskrit and hindi to high caste hindu boys ,to fulfill their dream of hindi hindu hindustan.but now the dream is finished for ever,as medium of instruction changed.

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    raj Reply:

    you need some medicine, you could not hide your hatred for kafirs even for 1 hour.
    i don’t know why the fear & hate kafirs, its showing up even if you try hard to hide it.
    i din;t know how rss come into picture. get out out of this victim mentality & avoid friends spreading conspiracy theory,

    ram autar Reply:

    yes brhhmnst i hate.no doubt i pray their slow and agonizing as they have given to millions in india.

    ram autar Reply:

    raj conspiracy theories are correct.but i analyze the matter.rss is murderous brhmnst organiztion .they are nobodys friend.till they are not marginalized ,india cannot progressed.being foreeigner they hate everybody.muslims are their open victim.
    hate for rss is not hate for kafirs.as hindu zoinists are kafirs.they are gang of fascist murderers and bomb planters.brhmns were ally of moghuls.

  • ram autar

    raj Reply:

    January 30th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    india became hindu
    — stop twisting truth. india is a democratic republic.
    its not hindu….. did you read history in school

    raj if india is democratic ,why dara singh who burnt alive 2 infants and his father is given life sentence while afzal guru who did not killed anybody is given death sentence.
    democratic means everybody is treated equally.600 plus communal riots nobody ever punished.in 69 i still remember 3 infants of housemaid were thrown in fire when her hut was put on fire by deshbhakts.three policemen were holding her and forcing her to see the end of her loved one.no one was punished ,though indira jee paraded her in delhi.she lost her voice.
    this mobocracy not democracy.

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    raj Reply:

    and meanwhile, a guy who chopped a professors hand in kerala is wlking freely threr & won local election…. god’s own land, maybe….

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    ram autar Reply:

    even his own christian school kicked him out.

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    raj Reply:

    yes, a tragedy, while people of book are busy chopping off hands & killing each other see
    jesus & mo chiling out.
    http://www.jesusandmo.net/2011/01/18/signs/

    ram autar Reply:

    raj Reply:

    January 30th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    yes, a tragedy, while people of book are busy chopping off hands & killing each other see
    jesus & mo chiling out

    WE ARE NOT BUSY IN CHOPPING HANDS HE DESERVE IT.IF ANYBODY USE DREGATORY REMARKS ABOUT JESUS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES .HE WILL GO TO JAIL.

  • ram autar

    wtf, mogul robbed from hindu india. this is correct history. seems ghauri came for picnic to

    moghul did rob anything from india as they have no foriegn ontacts.

    gauri was invited to india by competing brhmns they guided him to right places.got hefty cut.gauri was not moghul.
    during aurangzeb times india gdp was 25%of the world after in 1947 it reduced to 1.5%.during this period brhmns cooperated with britishers.help them to loot india after wards they started themselve.280lac crores is now in swiss bank.

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  • Shoeb K

    I just read the article.

    I can not believe anybody will question anybody’s right to hoist a national flag in any public place in the country.

    What was Zia thinking; was he serious or just acting like a provacauter?

    And the most ludicrous comment – “As for flag, Kashmir’s chief minister Abdullah is going to ANYWAY (caps mine) hoist one in Srinagar on the republic day”…
    as if flag is nothing (‘as for flag”); it is a nuisance (“ANYWAY”), well one is enough or too many “hoist one in Srinagar”.

    People like Zia will get away, because the country is unfortunately ruled by thieves and Pakistan lovers and Muslim appeasers (but they do not know Muslims are increasingly becoming repulsive about their policies).

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb K

    What nonsense.

    If the act of raising a Tri-Colour was a simple patriotic activity, then no one will object.

    However, if the raising of Tri_colour is merely a POLITICAL GIMMICK, whose sole purpose to create mayhem, then both the local as well as the national governments have a right to prevent such political shenanigans from taking place.

    BJP has NO POLICIES; it relies heavily on Political GIMMICKS for votes.

    The raising of Tri-Colour in LaL Chowk, was nothing more than a feeble Political Gimmick.

    I hope like all other BJP Gimmicks, this one back-fires too.

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    S Singh Reply:

    That is utter non-sense. Since when is the constitution enforced based on a group’s motivation? Whatever be the motivation, they have the right to hoist; the state’s responsibility is to allow the hoisting; and if there is a fear of mayhem, managing and preventing the mayhem with adequate police force.

    Only in India! – Congress better be called Islamic congress of India; it will backfire as Shoeb indicated. Congress is in for a major surprise in the next election. Modi/Nitin model will win the national elections. Indian youngsters, like their counterparts in Tunisia,, will vote for a paryrty that uplifts all and do not care about vote banks.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi da sussu nanga, This is what is known as TRUTH HURTS as it is coming from the horses mouth, in this case from a ENLIGHTENED AND HIGHLY INTELLIGENT person by the name of shoebK, though for the greater good I have backed Zia , in this case against the folly of BJP

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    raj Reply:

    BJP has NO POLICIES; it relies heavily on Political GIMMICKS for votes.
    — so what, people will decide it during election, bjp should worry about. are you closet bjp supporter

    what are the policies of india muslim league, & other muslim parties. hv you questioned it or know it or for the matter congress. just because congress appeasses religious minority, you think they hv policy.
    people ask, what a big fuss, let them hoist. but govt say, there will be violence. but why should there be violence for flag hoisting. … omar is scrathing his head…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    Just as BJP/RSS appeases HINDU FUNDOs and consolidates H I N D U , vote bank.

  • ram autar

    ravi aur shan bhai ,pesh hai,

    SANIA aur SONIA meN dekho kitna farq hai

    Ker ke shaadi Pak meN bhi SANIA Hindi raheN

    SONIA ghar ki bahoo ghar meN hi bewah ho gayeeN

    Phir bhi kuch susral waale unko pardesi kaheN

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  • Binoy Hegde

    People like Ravi and Ram struggling to pinpoint anything positive for their Muslim countries, always love to talk about Sati, Devdasi system etc as the Indian state sanctions them like the blasphemy law of Pakistan.

    They are saddened by the plight of Muslims all over the world, and worse, the Muslim masses’ inability or lack of desire to make anmy meaningful changes. They are jealous that democracy thrives in India amidst all its chaos, at the end of the day people make choices..No King Abdullah, No general Kayani, no King Mohamed, No King Jordan here..No rule for 40 years by people like Gadafi and Mubarek..

    Examples like the following make me believe that Indians will find always ways to pull us forward.. That this Ravi will give inspiration to hundreds-thousands-millions. It just gave me goosebumps.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/magazine/02Striver-t.html

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    As you very well know my Country is India.

    What about yours?

    Just to remind you, to be ANTI HINDUISM is not the same as being PRO MUSLIM.

    You are in a race….I am not.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Thankfully, the Indian State is a secular state and it does not endorse any of this rubbish.

    However, the same can not be said about HINDUISM. It did sanctify Sati, a Hindu Priest does preside over Child Marriages in Rajasthan, and Hindu Priests are fully committed to up holding the Devdasi tradition in Andhra and Karnataka.

    I have never ever suggested that INDIA does this or that.

    Hinduism is my target, solely because Islam is your target.

    Neither religion is perfect, therefore it makes no sense to criticise other’s religion when our own needs massive reforms.

    HINDU FUNDOS are just as bad as Islamic FUNDOs.

    Jai Hind

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    ram autar Reply:

    benoy bhi democratic india stole 280lac crores of people.rule should be on reason.democracy is latest weapon in the hands of imperialists to rule and ruin the countries.iraq is latest afghanistan pakistan under test.there are 17000 suicide per year in andhra only.
    i think raja and praja is best system .if raja is good raj will be good.proleteriat dictactor of china is far better than democracy of thieves law breakers in india.

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    ram autar Reply:

    I predict that Hindu India’s free fall has begun. The collapse is all-round. Nothing can stop this crisis after crisis. Here is a proof of perfection of our predictions.
    Collapse of education system
    “We are producing sub-standard doctors, engineers, lawyers and other professionals. There is not a single educational institution in India that is par-excellence. The chairman of Medical Council of India (MCI) is in jail. I got to know the condition of some medical colleges. The lesser that is said, the better”, said Karnataka Governor H.R. Bharadwaj. (Times of India, June 26, 2010).
    Brahmin speaks Truth
    The education sector lays the foundation for a society’s forward march.
    Governor H.R. Bharadwaj is a former Union Law Minister and top Brahmin of the country. A great quality of the Brahmin is they never criticise themselves, particularly the education system which is their 100% monopoly.
    But Bharadwaj says India’s entire education system has collapsed. There is no village in India with a functioning primary school. The ruling class (read Brahminists) want to keep the Bahujans (SC/ST/BCs and Muslims etc.) totally illiterate. Bharadwaj knows all this but in a state of excitement at a Bangalore function truth burst out of his mouth unconsciously.
    Iyer reveals where money is going
    There is yet another Brahmin (a Tamil Nadu Iyer), an ex-Union Minister who was a former diplomat who also spoke the truth which will not be liked by his jatwalas:
    The UN human development index for India was 134 in 1984 and it remained at 134 even in 2007, despite so much of being spent on development, said Mani Shankar Iyer, former Union minister for Panchayat Raj.
    The centre spent a nominal Rs. 7,500 crore on the social sector and the poor in 1984, but by 2007, it went up to Rs. 1,20,000 crore though the human development index remained the same.
    We are now among the top four nations having dollar-billionaires and dollar-millionaires now.
    But there are nearly 836 million people who are earning Rs. 20 per day, which is lower than the NREGA pay scale. There has been a regression in terms of panchayat raj which was supposed to take us to development.
    Quoting late PM Rajiv Gandhi who once said that “out of Re.1, only 15 paise reaches the poor and the rest is lost in corruption”, Aiyar said: “It has actually been misinterpreted. What he actually said was that 85 paise goes to administration costs”.

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    raj Reply:

    I predict that Hindu India’s free fall has begun
    — and insha allah – raise of cliphate …. keep deaming.
    - astrology is haram for beleivers, but its ok in case of predicting kafirs, funny set of rules.

    can you also predict,
    - so other religions also go down with hindus …
    - what is future of sikh & buddhist
    - which part of india is hindu india (which will hv free fall, north, south, east west…)

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    ram autar Reply:

    A rough estimate shows that Rs. \70,000 crore is being spent for the Commonwealth Games, for sheer entertainment of the middle class (read upper castes — Editor). However, there is a furore when there is a Rs. 70,000 waiver for farmers and the poor, he said.
    Now with nearly 47% of the children suffering from malnutrition and 9 in 10 mothers being anaemic, the chances of children becoming athletes are very slim”, he said. (TOI June 29, 2010).
    Both are TOI reports by the country’s topmost Brahminical daily and reports quoted above are speeches made by two Brahmin leaders of India. The impression given to public is that Brahmin alone speaks truth and nothing but truth.
    But the above two truths will not shock the Brahmins because they have already become the unquestioned leaders with one leg in America supported by their Jewish cousins

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  • Ravi

    BIGADE DIL SHEHZADE

    Watching the events unfolding in Tunisia and Egypt, where masses have taken to street demanding the removal of long established dictators, I am reminded of a song from the film Shri 420.

    The song In every way is a perfect GEM.

    The stanza that more specifically relates to the events in North Africa is:

    Honge Raaje Rajkanwar, Hum Bigde Dil Shehzade
    Hum Singhasan Par Ja Baithen, Jab Jab Karen Iraade
    Surat Hai Jaani Pehchani, Duniya Walon Ko Hairani
    Sar Pe Laal Topi Roosi, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani

    One of the best songs Shailendra ever wrote.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Well, I do not understand what you have written — But I think it is something good.

    What happened in Tunisia is good indeed. Let us hope it sustains there; and no strong man takes over.

    However, it looks like the Islamic world generally prefers strong men. May be a small section uprises, but the strong man finds a way to suppress, like what happened in Iran.

    Egypt is aquestion mark. Mubarak has appointed his intelligence chief and chief torturer as the new number two. So, what happens if he is the new strong man after the 82 year ruler leaves. Or, if the people power succeds, what happens if Islamic Brotherhood is the majority party.

    May be it is in the DNA of Muslims in Islamic countries a longing for a “caliphate” , a caliph who is the ruler and one who rules from divine blessings. The burdens of democracy, where individual has to take initiative, may be too much for a group of people who have been fed by the Book from an early age.

    I hope the Egyptian movement results in a strong democratic country.

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    ram autar Reply:

    kurien u have seen the end of iraq after democracy.democracy dictatorship or caliphate,people want result.millions of india are leaving india pak europe america for middle east countries to have better future and life.democracy is latest weapon in hand of imperialist to rule.by rich people for rich people.india is example.thieves in banglore are looting the nation under cover of democracy with blessings of elephants of hindu circus.with money and donation they convert the thieve into angle.

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    raj Reply:

    thieves in banglore are looting the nation under cover of democracy with blessings of elephants of hindu circus.
    — so all thieves are blessed by elephants, may be its like inshallah they loot !!!!
    — how about hassan ali, – which darga he went

    ram autar Reply:

    kurien for ur information and just to fill ur empty mind,even saudi arabia is run on reason not on religion.

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    raj Reply:

    even saudi arabia is run on reason not on religion.
    - last time i read it was ruled based on sharia (which is based on fairy tale – koran)
    they have reason to base it on religion,
    if any problem can blame on god, inshallah , allas wish, alla’s wrath…. got their reasoning ?

    but then kafir doctors are ok to cure beleivers !!!
    can use latest kafir technology
    get kafir usa – to control their religious nutters

    ram autar Reply:

    last time i read it was ruled based on sharia (which is based on fairy tale – koran)
    never saudi arabia is run on reason it is not even call islamic republic.whatever is right they do.country is private property of saud family and america.islam has sharia.we dont run circus of 33 crores elephants.

    hinduism is only religion which says that man is born unequal.u wrshp cow monkey pns and *****.ur bhgwans used to fk their daughters.(swarsati and padma were fkd by brahma)

    ram autar Reply:

    christians and jews are not kafirs.pns worshippers are.science medicine are all invented by us developed by our cousins.

    raj Reply:

    never saudi arabia is run on reason
    —- don’t lie,
    the king must comply with Sharia (that is, Islamic law) and the Qur’an. No political parties or national elections are permitted and according to The Economist’s 2010 Democracy Index, the Saudi government is the seventh most authoritarian regime from among the 167 countries rated.[31][8]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

    raj Reply:

    we dont run circus of 33 crores elephants.
    — when you are embarassed and could not handle a question about 1 flying horse
    kaffirs could handle 33 cores elephants. may be you should learn from them.

    ram autar Reply:

    TEHERAN – Iranian courts on Sunday sentenced two people to death for running porn sites, prosecutor general Abbas Jafari Dolatabadi said, quoted on the Islamic republic’s official IRNA news agency.

    ‘Two administrators of porn sites have been sentenced to death in two different (court) branches and (the verdicts) have been sent to the supreme court for confirmation,’ Dolatabadi said, without naming the two convicts.

    Last December, Canada expressed concern over the reported death sentence handed down to an Iranian-born Canadian resident for allegedly designing an adult website.

    Saeed Malekpour, 35, was convicted of ‘designing and moderating adult content websites,’ ‘agitation against the regime’ in Teheran, and ‘insulting the sanctity of Islam,’ according to an online campaign calling for his release.

    Malekpour was detained in Iran after returning in 2008 to visit his ailing father. He was sentenced to death in December.

    The Netherlands froze contacts with Teheran after Saturday’s hanging of an Iranian-Dutch woman for drug smuggling, having initially been arrested for taking part in anti-government protests.

    Iran, China, Saudi Arabia and United States have the highest numbers of executions each year.

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    raj Reply:

    — and your point is.

    raj Reply:

    what happens if Islamic Brotherhood is the majority party.
    — worst case scenario, but possible, its direct jump from pan to fire….
    hope it doesn’t become another iran,
    good luck to egyptians.

    – mubarak has saved his son, sent him to uk….

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    ram autar Reply:

    this what american wants.see what happenend to iraq and iran.,muslim brotherhood has chance.it is vox populi.

    ram autar Reply:

    pls read qazi nazrul islam,

    bol are o dharti bol
    raj singhasan dnawadol.

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    ram autar Reply:

    ‘Ai khaak nasheeno uth baitho woh waqt qareeb aa punhcha hai
    Jab takht girae-e jaaen ge, jab taj uchchaale jaaen ge
    Ab toot girain gi zanjeerain ab zindano ki khair naheen
    Jo darya jhoom ke uthay hain, tinko se nah taaley jaain ge’
    (Arise the downtrodden, that time has arrived
    When thrones will be toppled, crowns will be tossed,
    All chains will now shatter, jails can no longer confine,
    Rivers in spate cannot be controlled by blades of grass

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  • Azhar Hussain

    After coming back from a trip to Swat Valley Ski competition, I see this forum as usual busy bashing Muslims and Pakistan. And I hope the struggle in Tunisia and Eygpt continues to culminate in democratic setup and then moves to throw out the rest of the kings in the Mid East.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Well, Muslim bashing will continue as long as they have primitive governments, and they remain a drag on the world. create and innovate for gods sake, rather than bitching about jews and americans and hindus behind all problems in the world.

    You will be distanced and viewed with suspicion as long as you guys flirt with “infidels” (how can there even be a term like that in a Holy book?)

    You should be thankful to god that you came back safe from SWAT. Your Salman Tasser was not that lucky.

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    ram autar Reply:

    these goverments are most modern but highly corrupt and work for benefit of foreign forces.
    salman taseer was corrupt and highly immoral.islam is based on morality.
    bashing is on our foot.u hidus who ,in 21st century consider pns as god are teaching.

    in swat thousands of hindus live.nobody can touch them.we are brave people we fight with stronger.
    kicking at somebody who is already down is not part of our culture.

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    raj Reply:

    kicking at somebody who is already down is not part of our culture.
    — tell that to cypriot christian in egypt
    – tell that christians in iraq, pakistan
    – tell that to sufi, ahamadiya in pakistan & other islamic countries

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @S Singh sahib the beating you guys received in the late eighties by your democratic setup is a great example of what happens in your country. You probably don’t know anything about Salman Taseer except for he married a sikh women and then left her. If you people are sore because of that, but isn’t that exceptable tradition in your aping the west type of culture. Majority of people in Pakistan have condemed the killing of Salman and courts will punish the terrorist Qaderi. When is your democratic government going to punish the killers of thosands of sikhs or have they shut your traps permanently. As long as killings of Muslims continue there will be reaction, which is natural. Yes I am thankful to God that our Army was able and willing to take on the terrorists trained by our enemies. Those extremists were are still being used by CIA, MOSSAD, KGB and RAW to create law and order situation, we are aware of it ans we will take of it. By the way those primitives countries and goverenment have given opportunites to your kind with open arms, if your ever visit Delhi go to your dipolomatic area and count how many are dying to go, live and work in those Muslim countires. Apparently those Muslim countires are providing what your country cannot give, be greatful.

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    shan Reply:

    @Azhar Hussain , ask yourself why bangladeshis are flooding and PAKISTANIS (yes all of those finished serving in Tihar jail for overstay) are begging to stay in INDIA , and have applied for asylum, why not arabia.

    raj Reply:

    — if you ever visit islamic countries, go to diplomatic area, at usa, canada & european embassies, thousands of beleivers are dying to leave their countries to live with kaffirs who eat pork and drink alchol. what is missing in islamic countries for a beleiver in their home country.
    be grateful of kafirs.

    raj Reply:

    As long as killings of Muslims continue there will be reaction, which is natural.
    — keep dreaming calipahte, so religion comes before humanity.

    how about muslim killing muslim – will there be reaction ? or ir doesn’t count ?
    shia &sunnis killing each other – no reaction from islamic countries !!! so much for brotherhood.

    ram autar Reply:

    alchol. what is missing in islamic countries for a beleiver in their home country.
    be grateful of kafirs.

    they are plenty in muslim countries.we go there to fk their ladies.u go there to clean their shoes and be call little macaca

    ram autar Reply:

    shan bangladehis are coming because of farrakha dam.when they need water u stop when flood u open.this brhmnst game.crop of border district gets spoil.

    raj Reply:

    we go there to fk their ladies
    — few msgs back , you wrote no prostitutes in muslim countries. now you say you go there to fk their ladies.
    now …tell the truth, did you fk a camel named ladies.

    raj Reply:

    alchol. what is missing in islamic countries for a beleiver
    – Many other Arab or mainly Muslim countries such as Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey do not have any ban on alcohol, and production as well as consumption are legal, under the provision that people below the legal drinking age
    pakistan – members of religious minorities often sell their liquor permits to Muslims and a black market trade in alcohol continues
    - see, they are not going to western countries to drink , they want to escape from beleivers way of life !!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    S Singh

    For as long as Muslim Bashing continues, then so will Hindu Bashing.

    Hinduism is a primitive set of beliefs and long outdated, but not out moded, practices.

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    raj Reply:

    as told by true beleiver still stuck in 7th century. do you still beleive allah creates rain

    ram autar Reply:

    as told by true beleiver still stuck in 7th century. do you still beleive allah creates rain

    shiv ke pns ko pranam karo

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    No I do not believe that Allah creates Rain.

    However, I do believe the following:

    1. Hanuman could fly. But still felt the need to create the Ram Saetu Bridge.

    2. Human could change size and become so colossal, that his body could have covered Sri Lanka, yet he chose to burn it.

    3. Shiva could use the Himalaya as a churn to, to churn the Ocean, using a very long snake as a rope.

    You know I could go on, but life is too short and you are a Hindu Fundo.

    raj Reply:

    — i cannot stop you from beleiving what you want…its called freedom of thought.

    Ravi Reply:

    S Singh

    So Sanskrit terms for outcasts, and worship of Lingham, don’t embarass you. But the word Infidel, does.

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    ram autar Reply:

    ravi bhai, Urdu Hai Jiska Naam Hameen Jaantey hain Daagh
    Saarey Jahaan Mein Dhoom Hamaree Zabaan Kee hai

    raj Reply:

    so flying horse, marrying a 9 year old child – ayesha, man hearing voice in head don’t embarass you, but novels & cartoons does.

    ram autar Reply:

    so flying horse, marrying a 9 year old child – ayesha, man hearing voice in head don’t embarass you, but novels & cartoons does.

    dont forget krishna had 1603 wives used to fk his neighbours wife called radha.

    9 yr girl was given to him by his closest companion to help him in last year of life.we are after message.revelation of islam is the highest gift of god to mankind.

    raj Reply:

    9 yr girl was given to him by his closest companion to help him in last year of life.
    — nice twist, but tell how can a 9 year old girl help him, she is kid and she is the one who actually need to be take care of. as an all knowing person he should hv rejected.
    crazy companion, who could not even find able bodied person to help him

    raj Reply:

    revelation of islam is the highest gift of god to mankind.
    — stop this mankind story, you keep it for yourself.
    moses, jesus, mo, – why didn’t god do it correctly the first time. why was mo sent third,
    who know god may send a much perfect prophet later.

    Ravi Reply:

    Raj

    The 9 yr old helped HIM just as 9 year old Devdasi, HINDU TEMPLE PROSTITUTE helps the H I N D U priest

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Well, that priest (or any priest) is revered like Muhamed …So, are you saying thes epriests are at the same level as Muhamed or is Muhamed at the same level of priests?

    I am not a Hindu; but I am yet to see a Hindu who believes in the temple priest or gives any special respect to the priest, although they obviously have high regard and respect for the temple itself or the diety of the temple.

    raj Reply:

    The 9 yr old helped HIM just as 9 year old Devdasi, HINDU TEMPLE PROSTITUTE helps the H I N D U priest
    — now it seems your prophet is no better than kaffirs.
    going thro’ your messages it seems prohpet is at same level of kaffir priest, not even their god.
    i think at this rate, soon, you will have nothing good to say about the prophet.
    - already prophet behaviour = kaffir priest !!!! tha’ts progress…..

    raj Reply:

    @ kurien, but I am yet to see a Hindu who believes in the temple priest or gives any special respect to the priest,
    — yes , this is true, some times true to church fathers.. but ravi’s blind hatred to hindu
    blocks him from seeing things on ground. he & ram are consumed by hatred for hindu, brahamin, jews,usa,kaffir. and tell tings which happend 1000 years back, which is illegal now.
    — today any priest / or anyone touching a 9 year old will be in jail. talks as if priest will not be jailed

    Vinay Reply:

    If we consider the Devadasi system as a part of our history, we need to thank them for preserving the cultural heritage of India, with their music and dance. Bharat Natyam, traditional dance form of southern India was preserved in their hands till 1950s. (http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDK981/ ) A Devadasi, having a live in relationship with a man was not looked down in our society. (Having independent sex was not considered a sin. India was not ashamed of Kamasutra or Khajuraho). Calling a Devadasi to the marriage used to be one of the auspicious ritual. The temple complex of Tirupati hosts the statue of a famous king in South India, Krishna Deva Raya with his 2 wives. One is actually a Devadasi. Despite of this, she has been given equal importance, queen’s status and respect throughout the history. Our most respected singers Subbulakshmi, Lata Mangeshkar and Kishori Amonkar are from Devadasi lineage.

    The Hindu rulers could not fund the temples after Muslims invasion and British rule. The dancers have to look for other professions. That is when prostitution entered their life an exploitation started. Later British (followed by missionaries) could not understand our tradition of dancing in front of God and looked down at the practise, which was echoed by British educated intellectuals. Thanks to the intervention Theosophical Society, the art form in Devadasi culture was revived and preserved.

    ” Hindu Priests are fully committed to up holding the Devdasi tradition in Andhra and Karnataka.”

    A person must be intentionally blind, if he sees religion as the main reason for the existence of Devadasi system in its current form (prostitution). Today’s Hindu laws do not promote the practise, instead they ban the practise. Hindus care a damn about what priest thinks or speaks. If these people had money, would they have still driven their girls to this, due to religion? Any person with open mind can immediately realise, it is the poverty and social deprivation rather than religious compulsion that is driving young girls into prostitution in the name of Devadasi. There is not much difference between these girls and other girls who are forced into the profession. (Religion is just a label). It is the economic problem, not religious. People can just bring it in an attempt to score brownie points.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    I enjoyed reading your contribution, and would like to respond to the main points you make.

    1. It is true that the original intention of the Devdasi tradition was noble and I, like you, am grateful to all the previous Devdasi’s who have maintained our MAGNIFICANT culture of Dance and Music. My life would have been poorer, had they not maintained our culture. However, one could also say the same about the original intention of the Caste System – its original function was noble – but in its current manifestation, it is a massive social handicap and a grotesque corruption of original intent.

    You may ask, if that is the view I hold, then why is it that I present it here in a negative way. The answer is simple. There are some regular blogers here who present Sharia as a medieval system which has out-lived its usefulness. I agree with them. But then so has the Caste System as well as Devdasi tradition, etc etc. Because other blogers find faults with Islam, and not Hinduism, then that creates a distorted and one sided view. I help them out by balancing the history. I am getting this feeling Vinay, that we may have actually discussed this before.

    2. Am I, and others intentionally blind by seeing Religion as the prime reason for the Present day Devdasi’s. Not sure if that is true. I have mentioned before, A Hindu Temple, A Hindu Priest, and A Hindu Diety is involved, and further more the Devdasi’s themselves state that this is their act of Religious Devotion. So in what way is this not a Religious phenomenon?

    Vinay Reply:

    Caste system is still approved in Hindu society. But Devadasi system is not. (This “approved” or “not approved” only implies the psyche of the society in general. This psyche is not governed by any temple or a priest). A Devadasi can come out of her profession, if she wants. One can’t get detached from ones caste. Government has banned Devadasi system, but it can’t ban caste system. (It can only compensate for it by giving equal rights).

    “A Hindu Temple, A Hindu Priest, and A Hindu Deity is involved”
    These system will mean NOTHING, “if” Devadasis were not poor. I wonder who becomes Devadasi out of religious devotion today. (Claim is different from reality).

    I don’t consider, bringing Devadasi factor to counter Mohammad-Ayesha relationship was a good idea. People here can condemn the Devadasi system, they don’t mind punishing the priest. Can Muslims condemn Prophet? One can bring Krishna’s wives also into arguments. But then Krishna could lift mountain, could marry thousand ladies. One can’t just say, Mohammad was divine and get away. Mohammad, unlike mythological Krishna was a historical character. It would have been a lot easier to say, “The act happened in medieval period, the incident cannot be judged with today’s moral standards”. But people would reply “Even Sharia is medieval”. It all boils down to the same.

    Muslims are scoring their own goal by insisting on Sharia law in today’s world. If they had left it as it is, it would have been compared with other religious texts of that era. People could have then appreciated its advance thinking, (like trying to provide divorce rights to women, which no other societies had considered then). But today, people compare it with constitutions of democratic countries and make fun. Why to blame others, when it is actually the Muslims who made their holy book a laughing stock?

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    It was not my intention to get into a ***-for-tat kind of exchange, or create a like-for-like comparison between what is wrong with both Islam and Hinduism.

    I will let some one who is a Muslim to defend their religion.

    What interested me is that you believe that Krishna is mythical. Which he is.

    However, do you believe that RAM is mythical, with a Janambhomi, but Hanuman is mythical?

    Now that is an interesting question. As you know that Hindu Political Parties would like us to believe that RAM was a REAL person.

    Rajeev Reply:

    And you terrorists believe that Mohammad went to heaven at the back of an a$$.

    Vinay Reply:

    @Ravi,

    I have already expressed my opinion (rather opinions) regarding Ram Mandir issue in Gautam’s blog before. http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/just-faith/?p=601
    I have nothing new to add.

    ram autar Reply:

    their overthrow will be unfortunate.rulers will take entire wealth with them with the help of america and israel.like in iraq.evolution is always better than revolution.

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    raj Reply:

    dont forget krishna had 1603 wives used to fk his neighbours wife called radha.
    —- luck guy, seems to hv f*** more than your prophet…. 1604 fk not a simple task, you agree…
    (did kafirs invented viagra in those days itself, maybe …)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Also don’t forget that Prophet Mohammad was Bisexual. He had sex with Ali and Omar and sometimes with Camel too.

    ram autar Reply:

    He had sex with Ali and Omar

    rajeev beta kahan se aa gaye.he was fond of shiva.read brahma and padma and saraswati.

    Rajeev Reply:

    So you mean to say that Mohammad got banged by hindu gods and their bull Nandi.
    Well done..See after all Islam is offshoot of hinduism.

  • shan

    @Bloggers et al, rather than reading what that DIMWIT chikermane geezer has written (his last six blogs have total five responses , PATHETIC)read my response which was again blocked. However it collides with what we are discussing.
    No there is no EGYPT lurking in India’s backyard. India despite all its failings is a DEMOCRACY, that is like a SAFETY VALVE. just like Prof Amartya Sen showed in his book on study of FAMINES , wherever there was democracy Famines have been averted UNLIKE COMMUNIST CHINA CIRCA 1950, BANGLADESH CIRCA 1975. As to Maoist insurgency , as much there is economic reasons THERE IS NO DENYING THERE IS A SINISTER HAND AT PLAY HERE. Land mines are not assembled like a cottage industry. As for Indias ills JUST TWO THINGS NEEDS ATTENTION LIKE A LASER BEAM. Massive industrialisation of AGRICULTURE , MASSIVE PUSH FOR COMPULSORY EDUCATION . When this is done then MASSIVE PUSH FOR INFRASTRUCTURE devolopement

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    raj Reply:

    – one more – population control
    educate people on family planning and bring in awareness . at this rate of population growth, any amount of agricultural growth cannot feed enough. agriculture land is decreasing as a result of population growth.

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    shan Reply:

    @Raj EDUCATION on its own will take care of population control. You are absolutely right , land is not going to increase , but given yield in India is so poor by western standards(Wheat yield is 8 ton per acre in UK and 2.5 ton per acre in India) there is massive scope for growth by applying industrial scale farming , crop rotation , soil care etc

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    raj Reply:

    education will take care of population control, but that will take generation. until then they can vigrously go for these campaign in villages, & make it accessible easily. once people are aware & talk openly, religious & social taboo can be broken.

    - also , we let the grains rot as there is no proper distribution logistics. so simply increasing the production will still be wasted. the whole agricultural / supporting industry should be given importance & more loans / technology given out. govt has money , but no will power or anyone with vision for a green revolution.

    shan Reply:

    @Raj, This is where the MASS RETAILING kicks in , they will make sure not a single grain rots. Also such a lopsided priority sending LUNAR PROBES yet cannot build GRAIN SILOS which most major farmers have in their own land.

    raj Reply:

    @shan, lopsided priority sending LUNAR PROBES – sorry i differ with you.
    govt has lot of money & allocate budget for all sectors, some get people who can show results. pawar is interested in cricket & making his daughter a minister. he is not interested or capable. You cannot say, let us bring down others performance to level of pawar. let us stop others working as we don’t have grain silos. its agriculture minsiter to get these done. it doesn’t mean railway or airlines ministry cannot go for latest technology as we don’t hv grain silo. pawar should be sacked for non performance.

    for argument – you think we would hv enough grain silos even if the whole buget money is given to him. i don’t think so…

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    shan Reply:

    @Raj, this is what is known as throwing good money after bad money. Why cant there be a GRAND STRATEGY. Lets break it down to a small town level . Let there be autonomous ADMINISTRATION, which has to be manned by professional managers (MBA) hired on a contract basis. His remit would be to design the NEEDS of the population that it serves. for example he will be RESPONSIBLE to enlist each and every citizen(in this case CONSUMER)
    and keep a record. Now he has to tell the govt how many schools are needed and how many PROPER hospitals need to be build. He needs to make a business plan kind of approach. Next the DELIVERY. Govt should draw up a list of preffered suppliers OF CONSIDERABLE REPUTE rather than tender(which is source of corruption),. I am aware the price will go up , BUT IT WILL BE A PROPER JOB. In fact for schools it should be straight handed over TO KENDRIYA BIDYALAYA. This business of Govt servants with jobs for life should stop.

    raj Reply:

    @ shan, see how money wasted,
    Member of Parliament Local Area Development Scheme (MPLADS). Under the scheme, each MP has the choice to suggest to the District Collector for, works to the tune of Rs.2 Crores per annum to be taken up in his/her constituency.
    assume govt stop this for 1 year, that’s lot of money , how many grain silo can we build.

    if you wan to know what your mp did last year, see this
    http://rti.saveyourindia.org/template:rti-mla-development-fund

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    raj Reply:

    http://mplads.nic.in/

    Member of Parliament Local Area Development Scheme (MPLADS).

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    ram autar Reply:

    shan u are absolutely right but it will never happen.harrasment of bahujans is the primary aim of brhmnsts.

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  • ram autar

    The revolt in Egypt is an organically driven people-power movement to oust a dictator, restore universal freedoms, and wrestle the country free from the clutches of the US military-industrial complex, but the man now being positioned to form a new government is a pied piper working for the very same globalists and NGO’s that autocrat leader Hosni Mubarak has dutifully served for nearly 30 years.he is nobel laurete mohd al beradi.

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    raj Reply:

    restore universal freedoms,
    — so no more christian will be killed ???? — even a nobel laurete for peace can guarantee it.
    – will there be end ot christian cypriot problem ?

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    ram autar Reply:

    no christian ever killed in muslim country.last bombing was zoinist act.middle countries are far more free than america or india.there is no scanning machines to see the wife of others.

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    raj Reply:

    middle countries are far more free than america or india.
    — oh, so why did people of egypt & tunisia raise against their rulers. they were not even free to vote.

    there is no scanning machines to see the wife of others.
    — but they can still see them with eyes.. maybe the whole world should be wearing burka.

    no christian ever killed in muslim country.last
    — go back 2 message, where i hv given link …..

    ram autar Reply:

    oh, so why did people of egypt & tunisia raise against their rulers

    main reason is corrution and autocratic rule.another reason which main is the american agents in establishments and military got green light from from their bosses in washington to destablize region.

  • ram autar

    tell that to cypriot christian in egypt
    – tell that christians in iraq, pakistan
    – tell that to sufi, ahamadiya in pakistan & other islamic countries

    what a stupid reply.there is no cypriot christian in egypt.christian in paistan are far safer than india.there is no dara singh there.in iraq things deterioted after american democrats cam.for jews iraq was was garden of edens.

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    raj Reply:

    iraq was was garden of edens.

    — remember chemical ali, gassed his own people

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    ram autar Reply:

    zoinist propaganda.absolute lie.read on u tube LAST JEW OF IRAQ.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Egypt shut down Al Jazzeera.

    Islamic Brotherhood (yes, Ayman Sawahari’s) has joined the protests/uprising.

    Quite possible ISlamic Brotherhood may come to power.

    Wait for the “razing” of the symbols of great civilization…No “BC” stuff there.. Bammyan will be repeated million times!

    What a frucked up group of people! The stupid people let this guy be there like a king for 40 years and then expect him to go bye bye.. Even if he goes, all the bureaucracy is his people, all the army is his people..

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    raj Reply:

    usa is the biggest donor & kept this place running. lets see who is going to replace it.
    tourism is alreay dead.

    ISlamic Brotherhood may come to power.
    – they will start to eliminate seclurist, socialist, liberals, trade union, student union, intellect & who ever they think are not proper muslims. (reason can be as silly as length of beard.)
    iran in making !!!

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    ram autar Reply:

    a is the biggest donor & kept this place running. lets see who is going to replace it.
    tourism is alreay dead

    AID WAS ONLY MILLITARY.USELES.NEITHER COULD BE USED AGAINST ISREAL,NOR ON PEOPLE.

    ISlamic Brotherhood may come to power.

    IT IS VOICE OF PEOPLE LIKE TUNISIA.OR IRAN,

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    raj Reply:

    AID WAS ONLY MILLITARY
    —- around 250 milion for economy… 1.3 billion for military

    ram autar Reply:

    more than 250 million will go in maintaining ang keeping them.this is obama awnser to israeli no to stop settlements in occupied terrotory.

    ram autar Reply:

    .
    What a frucked up group of people! The stupid people let this guy be there like a king for 40 years and then expect him to go bye bye

    AMERICA DOES THIS WITH ALL HIS ALLIES.NOTHING NEW.MUSHSHARAF GONE SAME WAY.MARCOS GONE SAME WAY.SADDAM GONE SAME WAY.THIS ZOINIST TREATMENT WITH THEIR FRIEND.see the condition of american people.

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    ram autar Reply:

    islamic brotherhood is voice of people.in sunni muslim countries they are not acceptable to common muslim.even in pakistan jamt could never get more than 7% votes.while in india ,bjp,hindu terrorist party got 32%votes.

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    raj Reply:

    may be your favourite
    USA , CIA, ZIONIST, BRAMIN, JEWS , AMERICANS , MOSSAD, ISRALEIS , KAFFIRS
    voted them

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  • ram autar

    raj and brother hegde,Until the advent of the British Raj, the sub-continent of South Asia had no name; its parts had names — Ganges Valley was known as Hind, Indus Valley as Sindh, the Brahmaputra Valley as Bengal and the South as Deccan. The connection between them was established by epics — the Mahabharata linked Hind with upper Sindh (Punjab) and the Ramayana linked the Ganges Valley to the South all the way to Lanka.
    But these epics were tales of conflicts between the invading Aryans. In the epics the indigenous peoples were called villains.
    HINDUS LOVE JEWS
    Hinduism called the indigenous peoples as evil deserving of every excess and injury. Hinduism has not changed despite 1,000 years of Muslim and British rule. Hinduism is the nemesis of every other faith in the world today which are more or less egalitarian. Perhaps the only faith that comes close to Hinduism is the modern-day Zionist Judaism. Jews like Brahmins are both ‘chosen people’ given to cheat, betray and torment all the other peoples. But the Jewish world did not overlap the Hindu world until the 20th Century.
    Now the alliance of Jews and Brahmins is a formidable force as both employ ruses and stratagem as the prime instrument for getting their way.
    HINDUISM IMPOSED ON BAHUJANS
    The indigenous peoples of India now call themselves Bahujans which means the majority people. After the Aryan conquest they suffered for thousands of years as serfs of conquering Aryans who imposed on them a religion called Hinduism that robbed them of their identity and their faith. Apartheid and untouchability are not just evil practices, the varna (caste hierarchy) system is an article of faith — perhaps the prime article of Hinduism. Hatred is the religious duty of every practicing Hindu. The situation of the Bahujan is like the serfs.
    That was until the advent of Muslim rule over South Asia, which lasted 800 years. Under Muslim rule, repression of the Bahujan became impossible as the non-working priest caste (Brahmins) became impoverished and the caste of fighters could survive only as soldiers in the service of the new rulers. The Bahujan flourished under Muslim rule because they were workers and were eventually employed as fighters by the Muslims as well as the British. In the 17th Century the Mughal Empire in India accounted for 25% of the GDP of the world. No wonder it was so much sought after by European colonial powers and ended up being a ‘Jewel in the British Crown’.
    BRITISH LIES
    The British started with the assumption that conflict must have existed between the Hindu and Muslims. The British history claimed that Hindus were slain for disputing with ‘Muhammedans’, generally prohibited from worshipping and taking out religious processions, their idols were mutilated, their temples destroyed, they were forced into conversions and marriages, and were killed and massacred by drunk Muslim tyrants. Thus empire scholars, went on to produce a synthetic Hindu versus Muslim history of India, and their lies became history.
    BAHUJANS START BREATHING
    The Hindus quickly embraced the British view of history for two reasons:
    1) it helped them gloss over the main feature of their society – caste apartheid – and articulate a Hindu view of history to build a Hindu nation, 2) demonisation of Islam and Muslims provided a cause celebre as well as cement for the new Hindu nation.
    However, the British also recognised that the Bahujan were not Hindu. While the Muslims were repressed, the Bahujan were given a leg up by the British rulers. The social as well political gap between the Muslims and the Bahujan narrowed.

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    raj Reply:

    stop this cut & paste, just post the link,

    palashbiswaslive.blogspot.com/…/questions-over-political-culpability.html
    http://www.dalitvoice.org/Templates/june2010/articles.htm

    … these are no good, try other anti hidu sites which are quite good.

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    ram autar Reply:

    these are no good, try other anti hidu sites which are quite good.

    raj bhaiyya give their name.

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    ram autar Reply:

    DR. AMBEDKAR ROLE
    OBCs were given Separate Electorate and reserved seats in education and employment. In 1932, under the Communal Award, the British offered the Bahujan as well as the Muslims Separate Electorate for provincial and central legislatures. M. A. Jinnah, the leader of the Muslim League, accepted Separate Electorate but the leader of the Bahujan, Dr. B.R.Ambedkar, first accepted it but was then forced to resile from his stand under pressure from the ‘fast unto death’ trick of M.K.Gandhi. That made a crucial difference to the life of Bahujan in India. With advent of Islam and Christianity in South Asia, India was in any case divided into two nations — the Hindus and the Untouchables — as the Muslims were also untouchable for the Hindus. In 1932, India was polarised afresh into two nations –Muslims (who got separate electorate) and non-Muslims (who all accepted Joint Electorate with the Hindus).
    Politically, the Bahujan identity got assimilated into Hindu identity.
    BJP’S ANTI-MUSLIN STAND
    India was partitioned in 1947 on the basis of the principle of ‘majority rule’ between the two nations that crystallised in 1932. Had the Bahujan accepted the Communal Award, one nation would have been ‘Hindu’ and the other ‘non-Hindu’. Hindus may have enjoyed majority only in a few princely states but not in any province of British India. The partition may indeed have been avoided.
    Indian historians have been at great pains to stress that it was the Muslims who made the societal polarisation a communal problem. But that is not true. Societal polarisation existed in consequence of caste apartheid and there was little opposition from the Hindus to Minto-Morely Reforms of 1905 that introduced Separate Electorate. It was much later that M.K.Gandhi realised that Muslim-Bahujan alliance would reduce the upper castes to a minority. It was he who made opposition to Separate Electorate the focal point of Congress politics. To establish and maintain Hindu-Bahujan Alliance has ever since been the focal point of Congress politics. However, Bahujan parties have been growing in maturity and self-confidence and won electoral victory in many states. But the Hindu leaders have seen that a combination of: 1) crumbs off the Varna Hindu table called reservation, 2) corrupt Bahujan leadership, and 3) share in political power, is a powerful recipe to keep the Bahujan in line. But with the rise of the BJP the focus has shifted to the Muslims once again. The BJP sees the Muslims, who are as numerous as the varna Hindus (each about 15% of the population) as the main problem.
    The BJP competes with the Congress Party, albeit with different measures and words, in persecution and subversion of Muslims to impoverish and disempower them. The Muslims are now at the bottom of the socio-political pile. Post Gandhi politics is once again remarkably similar to pre-Gandhi politics. Once again the religious identity of Bahujan is an issue and political alliance with the Muslims is on offer.

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    raj Reply:

    The BJP competes with the Congress Party, albeit with different measures and words, in persecution and subversion of Muslims to impoverish and disempower them

    — stop this victim mentality to blame everyone for your fault.
    - new deoband chief said gujarat is developing & muslims are enjoying the benefit of this growth. mulsim are not discriminated. muslims who could pull up like other indians are making it.
    – how are muslims – disempower. india does not follow sharis, so rule of land is applicable for all.

    ram autar Reply:

    bjp is brhmna jaati party.recent arrest of their members in bomb planting and 600 plus communal riot has confirm that it is pure terrorist party.brhmnsm is walking as hinduism but this fraud is now being slowly exposing.
    congress and bjp are both brhmnsts.deoband chief is right.but terrorist modi should be hang for his role in gujrat.gujrat was developed by moghuls during those days it was econinomically most advanced in india.development is due to gujrati enterpeunarship not modi.
    modi was tea-boy of a road side rest. in ahmadabad.brhmnst used him to collect backward votes and dirty work.he should pay for his henious crimes.
    in sharia rules are applied even on president.in india u have seen now.life for dara singh and death for afzal guru.parrots of sangh were` singing the song for his death.modi should be punished as per law of land.

    raj Reply:

    gujrat was developed by moghuls during those days it was econinomically most advanced in india.
    — zionist propaganda.

    raj Reply:

    modi was tea-boy of a road side rest
    —- smear campaing your opponnent if nothing to say,
    zionist propaganda…. see even i can find out one like you, progress made…

    raj Reply:

    sharia rules are applied even on president
    – -so what is punishment for the guy who chopped off professors hands.
    — guys who burnt train with hindus alive
    — guys who killed hindus during mopla revolt.

    raj Reply:

    After the Aryan conquest they suffered for thousands of years
    — latest research say, man orignated from africa and spread out from there. and adapting.
    so your prophet is actually african, not arabian.

    so you still want to split hair with these old de bunked theory.

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    ram autar Reply:

    Recent sensational disclosures in their own Hindu media about Hindu India’s top upper caste (Hindus) corruption have revealed the pernicious hand of many Hindu godmen.

    Mrs. Niira Radia, India’s topmost fixer and the king (or queen) pin behind the spectrum scam, the mother of all scams, has disclosed that she had the full blessings of the notorious Pejawara Swami of Udupi in coastal Karnataka heading a Madhwa Brahmin cult.

    SAI BABA’S ROLE
    This swami is also the driving force behind Karnataka’s most corrupt Chief Minister Yeddyurappa.

    When Yeddyurappa and the “Khatri Sick” PM were exposed for their role in scams both rushed to Puttapurthi to seek the blessings of the notorious Satya Sai Baba who keeps the stolen money of all the biggest thieves of the country.

    If the “Khatri Sick” PM is so pure why he is avoiding the JPC?

    HOT FAVOURITE OF RASCALS
    The Ambanis regularly visit Tirupati, the country’s richest temple, and pour billions of their tainted money.

    The god on receiving the money from these thieves converts them into angels. Does it not mean Hinduism stands for corruption and through corruption Hinduism is being strengthened ?

    Another notorious “Sri Sri” Ravi Shankar, who is operating an international racket from Bangalore, is the hot favourite of all the corrupt rascals.

    Yet another postman-turned holy man at Mysore, Ganapati Sachidananda Swamy, had all the money of the Chanakya, P.V. Narasimha Rao, who slept while the Babri Masjid was demolished by the Brahmin terrorist party. The Chanakya died before taking the money back.

    SHANKARACHARI AS MURDERER
    Chandraswami of Delhi was the hot favourite of PM Indira Gandhi.

    The Shankarachari of Kanchi is the principal adviser to the Hindu terrorist party itself. Nothing happened to him despite all the proven charges of murder etc.

    Abhinav Bharat, the super Hindu terrorist party, comprising mainly the Chitpavan Brahmins who murdered hundreds of Muslims, is fully protected by all the Swamis, saints.

    There are hundreds of such fraudmen parading as godmen but all of them are going strong despite keeping all the money stolen from the treasury of this poor country.

    When the govt. is ordering raid on the houses of top crooks like Radia, Kalmadi, etc., etc., why it is not handling these godmen-turned fraudmen?

    Temples and Ashrams in India are like the Swiss banks, safe and secure. Since political leaders have close connections with these godmen, they are well-sheltered and well protected.

    STOLEN MONEY
    The nexus between Hindu godmen protecting the stolen money and the thieves can be broken if the judiciary orders the CBI and the police to raid such centres.

    One thing has became clear: Brahminism parading as Hinduism and its myriad godmen are promoting their Hinduism by promoting corruption, enslaving the Bahujans and thereby destroying this country

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    ram autar Reply:

    Similarly, it is not true to say that Sanskrit is the oldest language of India; even aside from the language of the Indus Civilization, we can trace evidence of popular speech much earlier than Sanskrit. The language of the Jains (known today as “Ardha-Magadhi”) and of the early Buddhists texts (“Pali”) derived from languages spoken in the area of the earliest kingdoms (Magadha) and central India (an important center of the Ashokan empire). The term “Prakrit” should be avoided since it is also a Sanskrit term. Early Dravidian literature and the languages known today as Munda/Ho/Santhali (including perhaps the earliest language of the Bhils) from a “tribal” belt stretching across central India can also claim priority over Sanskrit. Religion or spirituality is a crucial part of human culture, and whatever our personal feelings are, we should recognize and respect the opinions of other religions.

    (We do not consider “Brahmanism” a religion but as a purely exploitative ideology).

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    raj Reply:

    who is we — i asked many times & you never answer.

    — why don’t you post the link ==== may be know their agenda.
    reading all this cut & paste is tedious, it will be better if you can put your own thinking

    ram autar Reply:

    we go after his message.in islam arab non arab are equal.

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    raj Reply:

    islam arab non arab are equal.
    — what about your fellow indians ? what is their ranking

    ram autar Reply:

    what about your fellow indians ? what is their ranking

    equal

    raj Reply:

    i mean,
    indian beleiver & and an indian kafir

  • http://www.al-hidaayah.travel/ Umra

    I think considering the sensitivity of the issues involved, a more delicate mode of handling is required.

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  • ram autar

    -so what is punishment for the guy who chopped off professors hands.
    i will recommend his a$$to be cut as well.
    — guys who burnt train with hindus alive
    vhp goos put fire.give me the 2 names of victims.a lie and rss propaganda
    — guys who killed hindus during mopla revolt
    high castes killed muslims.with the help of british troops.

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    raj Reply:

    — easy to blame others….
    now use your brain & answer

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  • ram autar

    jitna angrazon ne nahin loota bharat ko usse kahin zyada brhmns ne bharat ko loota.

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    raj Reply:

    - unity in diversity,
    can you write in english…

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    ram autar Reply:

    brhmns have looted india more than britishers.i sthe translation.

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    raj Reply:

    brhmns have looted india more than britishers.i sthe translation.
    – thank you, but you seem to be forgetting mughals, who should not be in india in the first place.
    its not their country.

  • ram autar

    News Education Pakistani teen breaks O Level record
    Feb 01, 2011 at 15:13 Views (6404) | | | 36 | |

    By AFP
    ISLAMABAD – A Pakistani school boy has smashed a world record by getting 23 A grades in his O Levels, taking inspiration from the controversial father of Pakistan’s atomic bomb who is hailed a national hero.

    Ibrahim Shahid, 17, the son of a university professor of electrical engineering and educated at the private Beacon House School in Islamabad, set the record last month by achieving 23 As in 24 subjects in the Cambridge exam.

    “It’s a recognition for my country. This has never been done at O Level,” he told AFP, dutifully thanking his parents and teachers.
    a “message of hope” for Pakistan’s future.
    | | 36 | |

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Well, he will be given preferential admission to their IIT, International Institute of Terrorism, and will use his admiration for the nuclear peddler to build new and improved terrorist bombs.

    Frucking hope….. my a-s .

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Raju

    I see that smoke coming from your A-s, don’t worry you are not alone there are more than 1 billion of your kind.

    This reminds me of the nuclear test conducted by India and everybody and their mother were advising Pakistani not to do the same. Because there will be a N-bomb race, really. Every Patel, Singh, Kumar and Khrishna’s in your country were advocating “India will finish Pakistan”
    Once Pakistan conducted its test, everyone of you and theri mothers had to shut their traps.

    Now coming back to the achievement of this lad, if you can’t match it then SHUT The F up and enjoy the ride.

    As far as the nuclear peddler is concerned, Israel stole that technology from unclce Sam, and your country attained the same from, let me guess the USSR. Dr. Qadeer Khan shut your trap so nicely that all you guys are left with is hot air..

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    ram autar Reply:

    azhar they are low grade animals.forget them.

    raj Reply:

    Dr. Qadeer Khan
    — A.Q. Khan then established a proliferation network through Dubai to smuggle URENCO nuclear technology to Khan Research Laboratories. He then established Pakistan’s gas-centrifuge program based on the URENCO’s Zippe-type centrifuge.
    — Khan’s lab was initially focused purely on enrichment, and was not involved with other phases of the nuclear project, including the actual design, development and testing of weapons,
    — It was reported that Chinese technicians had been at the facility in the early 1980s
    - In 1983, Khan was sentenced in absentia to four years in prison by an Amsterdam court for attempted espionage;
    — so much for stolen technology….

    ram autar Reply:

    phat1

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    ram autar Reply:

    The Hindu, India’s principal Brahminical daily from Madras, called the “Mount Road Maha Vishnu”, published a picture of a notorious Tamil Brahmin, who has made millions and boosted by his tribe, which controls the entire Indian toilet papers.

    The picture published in its issue of Oct.27, 2010 shows “Sri Sri” Ravishankar, the latest craze of the leisured class, opening his “Art of Deceiving” centre in revolutionary Beijing on Oct.25, 2010.

    Humbug of yoga: What Ravishankar is made famous for is nothing but the good old Brahminical gimmick called yoga which is essentially a deep-breathing technique — but in a closed room.

    Some years back, the swami, who controls a multi-million dollar empire in Bangalore and employs hundreds of his jatwalas, sent a Dalit IT engineer to our office to invite our Editor to one of his “intercourse”. He told the Dalit brother that he would be too glad to come if the swami said that if he was doing anything more than the centuries-old deep-breathing technique, advertised as yoga.

    The one who brought the invitation never came back.

    Thousands of such swamis are deceiving the rich upper castes who are too willing to be deceived. But the “Art of Deceiving”, much less the yoga, has not so far succeeded in deceiving the Dalits or Muslims.

    The latest is the Hindu announcement that the “Art of Deceiving” has reached the capital of revolutionary China. We don’t know how far this report and the picture are to be believed. Because this swami is known for many such false claims which their jatwala media are too willing to advertise.

    Our question is how China allowed such counter-revolutionaries to enter Beijing? Both the Jews and the “Jews of India” have declared China as their enemy. To this day none of them could infiltrate into China. Are the Jews and the “Jews of India” trying to subvert the revolutionary China by using their “art of deceiving”?

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    raj Reply:

    Because this swami is known for many such false claims which their jatwala media are too willing to advertise.
    — zionist propaganda !!!!

    raj Reply:

    Our question is how China allowed such counter-revolutionaries to enter Beijing?
    – may be chinese know how to treat a doormat pakistan,
    as usa treats pakistan as condom, thrown away after use.

    ram autar Reply:

    Hindu India as world’s most violent state

    Bangalore: “Hindu India” is advertised as a land flowing with milk and honey, wedded to peace and non-violence where Budha, Gandhi reigned and made it a model for the whole world to follow.

    This is pure propaganda — bullshit. The facts of history are entirely different.

    In this so-called “secular democratic” India, pogroms against all the three significant “minority communities” like the Muslims (15%), Christians and Sikhs (2.5% each) are a daily dose.

    Why Muslims opted for partition: The very partition of India (1947) took place because the then dominant Muslim community, which had a sizeable population in the undivided India and ruled this country for 800 to 1,000 years, said it could no longer live with the hate-mongering Brahminical Hindu rulers and opted for Pakistan.

    During the partition riots Muslims were recklessly slaughtered. The undivided Punjab, which was a predominantly Muslim-majority state, witnessed the worst violence against Muslims (Dr. Sarfraz H. Mirza, Hindu-Muslim Confrontation, 2009, Lahore, photocopy available Rs. 125).

    Gujarat genocide: “Independent” India’s first biggest bout of violence against Muslims occurred in a well-planned attack during the Babri Masjid demolition. Thousands died.

    The second biggest was the massacre of 2,500 Muslims in what became famous as the “Gujarat Genocide” (2002).

    The massacre of over 12,000 Sikhs (men, women and children) was ordered at the instance of a great Hindu Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi, when she sent Army tanks into the Golden Temple, Amritsar in 1982. (V.T. Rajshekar, Turmoil in Punjab, DSA-2010).

    The killing of Sant Bhindranwale and his band of dedicated Sikh disciples was well-planned by the Brahminic leadership to break the backbone of Sikhs, and dub them as terrorists so that the domination of brave Sikhs in the Indian army is once for all finished.

    The Indian army today is an all-Hindu affair fully, mired in corruption.

    Christians (2.5%), the most peace-loving among the three minority communities, got a wonderful taste of the Hindu ahimsa in Orissa.

    Only the violence against non-Hindu “minorities” are detailed above. The violence of the Hindu rulers against their own “Hindu” SC/ST/BCs (65%) is a daily affair. But the only difference is this violence is inflicted in a most non-violent way.

    And yet our Hindu heroes go on boasting of their non-violence. No. Hindu India is the world’s most violent state.

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    Why Godse Killed Gandhi ? The book needs a revised edition
    OUR CORRESPONDENT

    Bangalore: Our “most explosive book”, Why Godse Killed Gandhi? (1997) by V.T. Rajshekar, has gone into three revised editions (all sold out) and created history.

    The Father of India, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar had described Gandhi as the “Enemy No.1 of Untouchables”. We have extended it and called Gandhi as the enemy of entire Bahujan Samaj (85%).

    Every word in the book has proved correct, every prophecy proved right.

    HONEST ENEMY
    Hindu terrorist parties hate Muslim/Christian/Sikhs (all our blood brothers) as the enemy of Hindus. But the Gujarati Bania called Muslims and Christians as brothers but ditched them. Between the two, the Hindu terrorists are more honest.

    Always the honest enemy is better than a dishonest friend.

    The Indian ruling class calls Gandhi as the “Father of the Nation” (not our nation). China has called Mao as the father of their nation. Mao made China a super power — soon to become the world’s no.1 power. But India is becoming a beggar nation.

    If Mao is to be given credit for what China is today, the same credit must go to Gandhi for what India is today.

    DR. AMBEDKAR AS OUR P.M.
    Gandhi said he stood for non-violence but his every action was violent. His going on a fake hunger strike (1932) against Dr. Ambedkar’s proposal of separate electorate, upheld by the then British govt. was shot dead by Gandhi thereby reducing the SC/ST (30%) as slaves of Hindus.

    But for Gandhi’s conspiracy, Dr. Ambedkar would have been the first prime minister of India.

    Both Dalits and Muslims lost and the country got divided. Muslims who remained in India became weaker and third-class citizens. Gandhi handed over the country to Brahminists — installing a fake socialist as India’s first PM.

    PHILOSOPHICAL TREATISE
    The moment their job was done, the Brahminists shot dead their own “Father of the Nation” and celebrated it by distributing sweets all over India.

    The Editor and the author of the book, V.T. Rajshekar, had met Gopal Godse, the younger brother of Nathuram Godse, at Pune and congratulated him for the clean job he did.

    All this and many more highly philosophical issues are discussed in this book hailed as philosophical treatise on “independent” India’s sordid, sorrowful 64 years of Brahminical rule of blood and tears.

    There is a big demand for this highly investigative book in India and abroad — from the dwindling thinking sections.

    We will be glad if any in our DV family agrees to bear the cost of the reprint — which will be a revised edition — raising the total pages to about 150.

    R.S.S. INVITATION TO EDITOR
    The book was translated to Hindi, Marathi, Malayalam and Kannada. We are not aware of any translations to other languages.

    On reading the second edition of the book RSS Brahmin leaders came to our office to express their pleasure. They invited the Editor to their annual “celebration” of Gandhi death anniversary (Jan.30) by distributing sweets.

    The Editor declined the invitation. He told them that they had already proved untrustworthy as any speech he delivered would be twisted.

    Those interested in reading more about the ugly life of the “Mahatma”, we have a number of books, the latest being Ved Mehta’s Gandhi & His Apostle, on his sleeping naked with young girls.

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    China defeats USA

    Bangalore: As “Hindu India” is sinking all-round and the different sections are busy quarreling, the country has gained fame as one of the worst corrupt, China, which became independent two years after India, is fast becoming the No.1 world power. Read the following report from the world’s No.1 anti-communist Jewish-owned US daily:

    A Chinese scientific research centre has built the fastest super-computer ever made, replacing the US as maker of the swiftest machine, and giving China bragging rights as a technology superpower. (New York Times – Deccan Herald, Oct.29, 2010).

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    raj Reply:

    as i mentioned earlier, kafirs are no good, not worth talking, but then chinese are not far away.
    fastest super-computer ever made
    – Graph500, tests supercomputers for their skill in analyzing large, graph-based structures that link the huge numbers of data points present in biological, social and security problems, among other areas. did it pass it. why not release the results

    – how about their stealth jet planes.
    Good for the Goose, good for propaganda: China steals Top Gun clip
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/28/china-tv-news-top-gun?INTCMP=SRCH
    see the video.

    ram autar Reply:

    as i mentioned earlier, kafirs are no good, not worth talking, but then chinese are not far away.
    fastest super-computer ever made

    neither i nor holy quran say kafirs are no good.most of prime ministers of moghuls were brhmins.cheating is wrong like in case of vaishnav devi making stealth bomber is graet step,if is not used to kill innocents who cannot their fire power.

    shan Reply:

    @Raj,well done , chinese are capable of anything, after all they manage to wash down fried cockroaches, and tiger’s penis with dim sum. a similar thing appeared in the london METRO paper about a town called kangabashi near mongolia. huge arrays of high rise flats , but not a single occupant, as people cannot afford it. This is what happens with SLAVE LABOUR economy , the state sits on Trillion Dollar trade surplus , but poor workers wages are forcibly kept down (try talking about trade union), so china overwhelms the USA with exports ,sits on massive trade imbalance , buys US bonds . The same kangabashi advt showed people in the park with children , it was quickly decipheredby the experts as a ADOBE PHOTOSHOP work.just like your stealth fighter video footage lifted from TOP GUN.IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE BLOGGER ASHISH WERE READING YOURS AND MINE (He works his heart out for china ,well possibly works for a chinese company , thus understandable his sympathies)

    raj Reply:

    As “Hindu India” is sinking all-round
    — which part do you think is hindu india…
    China, which became independent two years after India,
    — that was communist take over by mao, not independence… cultural revolution after that saw 2 million dead. no wonder you like mass murderers, and people who beleive in 1 book

    raj Reply:

    Ibrahim Shahid, 17, the son of a university professor of electrical engineering and educated at the private Beacon House School in Islamabad, set the record last month by achieving 23 As in 24 subjects in the Cambridge exam.
    — so what, it will be a shock if a guy with this background fails !!!
    meanwhile
    Srinivasa Iyengar Ramanujan
    Without a degree, he left college and continued to pursue independent research in mathematics
    He became a Fellow of the Royal Society and a Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4811920.stm

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Young-Mumbaikar-set-to-be-Cambridge-professor/articleshow/6640017.cms
    At 38, Dadar boy Vikram Deshpande is all set to become one of the youngest professors at Cambridge University

    — now google & find anything better , longer, for you to compare with indians.
    when are you going to stop this

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    ram autar Reply:

    At 38, Dadar boy Vikram Deshpande is all set to become one of the youngest professors at Cambridge University

    good news we should be proud of him

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    Vinay Reply:

    When I was searching for this boy Ibrahim Shahid in google, I also came across another guy Ali Moeen Nawazish. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7863473.stm
    Looks very modest.

    I congratulate both the boys for their hard work and merit. I wonder whether A.Q. Khan is the right inspiration for a teenager like Ibrahim Shahid (not because Khan made a Bomb. But he was not an honest person). Anyway, let these boys achieve things which not only make Pak proud, instead whole south Asia proud.

    @Raj,
    Your anger is with Azhar’s attitude. Why to target these young kids hard work? Yes, there could be some who have achieved more than them, many others who have achieved less than them. That will not take the credit from these boys. Or does it?

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  • ram autar

    Beware of yoga. It is the other word for hinduising (enslaving) the unthinking fellows. No Muslim country has allowed the infiltration of yoga, which is nothing but deep-breathing — but in a closed, congested room.

    China is fully aware of the Brahminical poison. Yoga is barred.

    Early morning walk: The Brahminical people are actively assisted by the Jews in the West, particularly the USA, to set up yoga centers and gradually poison the Christian mind. The Vatican, the Roman Catholic headquarters, is fully aware of the tricks of the “Jews of India” who are in league with the Jews.

    If you want to do deep breathing take a brisk early morning walk (or even run) which helps you take plenty of pure oxygen that will fill your lung. Your Editor does it daily. But if you fall a prey to the yoga guru humbug you will be huddled inside a closed, congested room and you have to inhale the dirty breath of others. It is advertised as a sure cure to reduce your weight. Nonsense. If you want to reduce your weight the best cure is start running and reduce eating. Simple.

    Yoga is a big business in India and abroad. Being expensive it brings a huge income to our enemies besides hinduising (enslaving) the non-Hindu.Don’t believe all the **** and bull stories sold by the Brahminical toilet papers saying “yoga will upgrade your efficiency”. Nonsense.

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    raj Reply:

    China is fully aware of the Brahminical poison. Yoga is barred.
    - a quick search gives these
    Yoga gains popularity in China – http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/10-27-2005-79946.asp
    http://yogaalliancechina.com/
    http://www.zeenews.com/news663513.html
    http://www.chinasahajayoga.org/
    http://www.lonelyplanet.com/china/activities/yoga
    http://www.ashtangayogachina.com/home.htm
    — lair —- use your brain… hey, the thing between legs is not brain, don’t use it, or you will end up with lies like this.

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    ram autar Reply:

    yoga is hindu humbug.walking is better than yoga.now research has shown this also develop arithrites in legs.tell me how ganesh who cannot walk,who cannot remove 200 kg elephant head ,which disbalances his body,can doo anything good to others.

    brhmns dont believe in these idols,they make it market it,to make money.

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    raj Reply:

    now research has shown this
    — a little bit of proof will help me.

    who cannot remove 200 kg elephant head
    — are you are still interested in talking about these. like i told you, all religions are fairy tales.
    - but again kafirs will ask, when a horse can fly , why can’t a man with elephant head move.

    see, you are going down the slippery slope. you either respect all religions or nothing at all.
    don’t make fun of other religions, as they can also make fun of yours., in which case you should not get angry, but get angy & put out your hatred to be seen.

    ram autar Reply:

    Aurangzeb, was his policy of temple destruction

    give me the name of temple he destroyed.his prime minister and cnc wedre both hindus had 36.5 %hindus in his cabinet.either divulge the name or apolize.all glittering temples of chitrtakoot were built on his order.in prsonal life he was religious in public he was honest and even.demonized by british robbers.propaganda is carried by a$$lckers and boot polishers of empire.temples of budhhdists jainese were destroyed occupied by brhmns.

    heinous claim against Aurangzeb, was his policy of temple destruction

    give proof

    Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb’s distaste for Christians. This led to the demolition of Christian settlements near the British/European Factories and enslavement of Christian converts by Shah Jahan. Furthermore, Aurangzeb stopped all aid to Christian Missionaries (Frankish Padres

    he was right britishers rob india.in first 50 years of rule they starved to death haf the population of bengal bihar and assam.only on khooni darwaza they hanged 38000 freedom fighters including 22 princes.whose grand father they took permission to trade.they created havoc in india .hence he was right.
    aurangzeb dedicated his life to maitain unity and integrity of india.he used earn his own personal expenses,by stiching caps and writing holy quran.
    after his death his earning through stiching caps qas distributed amiong hindus while earning through writing holy quran was distributed among muslim subjects.

    lie is ur staple food hate is duty.

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    raj Reply:

    chitrtakoot were built on his order.
    — intersting story
    When Aurangzeb arrived at Chitrakoot, he ordered the army to destroy all the temples at Matiah, Gander and every statue and Math early next morning. However, when his forces commenced on their task,the army man began crying with unbearable pain in their stomach. They started falling one by one and all became unconscious. This shattered and upset Aurangzeb. All efforts to cure the soldiers were futile and he became even more nervous. Finally a local lad plucked up the courage to call out to the Shahenshah, Nobody can cure this sick men, except our temple priest, “Sant BabaBalik Dasji”.

    Aurangzeb had no choice but to beg the Baba to save his enfeebled army, promising not to destroy any temple at all, if his men were cured. Baba revived the unconscious army with his medicine, which greatly impressed Aurangzeb. He ordered his men to build a grand temple then and there. He also conferred 330 bigahs of precious and fertile land with seven villages and one rupee daily from the state treasury for the maintenance of the temple. These villages are Hamutha,Chitrakoot, Rodra, Sarya, Madri, Jarva and Dohariya in Allahabad district, UP.

    ram autar Reply:

    When Aurangzeb arrived at Chitrakoot, he ordered the army to destroy all the temples at Matiah, Gander and every statue and Math early next morning. However, when his forces commenced on their task,the army man began crying with unbearable pain in their stomach. They started falling one by one and all became unconscious. This shattered and upset Aurangzeb

    RAJ,this idocy can be belived by lnd pujaris only.non brhmns are praised like this.same theese crooks did to lord krishna now to lalu and other non brhmns leaders.

    BIGGEST CROSS OF THE WORLD IS IN DUBAI.ALL 4 MATHS OF SHANKARACHARYA WERE BUILT DURING HIS TIME.

    golcunda,the richest muslim empire of south was demolished by him when the tried to seccede.
    he kept every evil under his control,from mountain of west to scavangers of north.

    ram autar Reply:

    mountain of west to scavangers of north

    mountan rat

    raj Reply:

    -When Aurangzeb arrived at Chitrakoot
    BUT HE SHOULD HV BEEN IN INDIA IN FIRST PLACE
    WHO INVITEDE HIM TO INDIA

    ram autar Reply:

    Aurangzeb had no choice but to beg the Baba to save his enfeebled army, promising not to destroy any temple at all, if his men were cured. Baba revived the unconscious army with his medicine, which greatly impressed Aurangzeb. He ordered his men to build a grand temple then and there. He also

    the above is all rubbish .foolishness like is taught to yougesters in rss shakhas .baba kee g=phat gayee ho ge aurangzeb ko dekh ke.baba are usually beggers and ex-criminals.temples of other faith were demolished by brhmns only.all hindu temples in ayodhya were budhdhist or jainese before.even golden temple was under hidu control.they converted this place den of prostitution and drug trafficing.what a immoral religion.they are using their idols to bully others and occupy the land and property of weak.like babri masjid.

    raj Reply:

    occupy the land and property of weak.like babri masjid.
    — BACK TO LYING MODE. TEMPLE DESTROYED & mosque built.
    DUE TO THIS THE MOSQUE COULD NOT BE THERE

    raj Reply:

    ANY PROOF

    raj Reply:

    — now i know why you are scared of kaffir lingam like aurangzeb

    Temple where Aurangzeb fainted

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/nm7/Temple-where-Aurangzeb-fainted/Article1-67712.aspx

    ram autar Reply:

    now i know why you are scared of kaffir lingam like aurangzeb

    we laugh at them.we are not afraid.u are all are expert in myth writing.

    raj Reply:

    .u are all are expert in myth writing.
    — did you mean koran

    raj Reply:

    you my laugh , but aurangzeb fainted.
    another illegal land owner in inda, & you call him king

    raj Reply:

    as a true beleivers, you could not accept the fact that muslims can be bad. you hv got blind hatred for kaffirs,

    maitain unity and integrity of india
    — these moughals should not not hv been in india in the first place.
    — following sharia is against humanity & other religions
    — as convert, your indian heritage is wiped off, & you start licking new boss. which you continue till date.

    britishers rob india.
    — so shall we hv argument , who is a bigger robber, mougal or british
    — but why silent about muslim atrocity & islam inspired ethnic cleansing of native people.
    — try to avoid if not white wash killing people in name of islam….

    ram autar Reply:

    so shall we hv argument , who is a bigger robber, mougal or british

    submit any proof when brit came codition of india was narrated by macaulay in these following wods,

    LORD MACAULAY’S ADDRESS TO BRITISH PARLIAMENT 2nd FEBRUARY 1835

    “I have travelled across length and Breadth of India and I have not seen aperson who is a beggar who is a thief. such a wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient educational system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and english is good and greater than their own way,they will lose their selfesteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them , a truly domintaed nation.

    u white skins are curse.where are the originals of america newzealand europe and australia.very soon same quetion will be asked about palestine and then india.chemical war fare is on ,on indians..

    raj Reply:

    —- 100 % british propaganda, you can beleive anythng you want

    raj Reply:

    Beware of yoga. It
    http://www.madina.com/groups/topic/view/group_id/590/topic_id/1860
    go down to user – Omar Assam – 3rd response.
    — madina.com – sharing halal

    — now take your agenda some where else…

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    ram autar Reply:

    o u tube u can put anything.they are responsible for authenticity of subject.

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    raj Reply:

    o u tube u can put anything.
    — but its absolute truth, when it suits you ?

  • Azhar Hussain

    @Raju exhales smoke from the other side when he sees anything good about Islam and Pakistan. Then again 1 billion of them do the same.

    Ram you are doing a great job by showing them the mirror…boy are these jokers pi-s-ed

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    raj Reply:

    anything good about Pakistan.

    — you mean like -Pakistan Army atrocity during 1971 Bangladesh War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ds63EIW57g

    … i don’t know why you bring in pakistan ,

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    ram autar Reply:

    20%right 80%fabricated

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    raj Reply:

    20%right 80%fabricated
    — this is progress, better than your standard – zionist conspiracy .

    ram autar Reply:

    2 months back in court a lawyer asked for the list of those died in 1971 war including those mascared.goverment awnser.he is in jail now.

    raj Reply:

    showing them the mirror

    —- people living in glass house should not throw stones…

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  • Ankit

    So it was a blog about the flag controversy, right? Do these people even read your blog? Your posts get the maximum nos of comments, just if you could have a cent for every comment.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ankit

    I have many a times thought about this and here is what I concluded.

    1. There are some comments wrt to the topic – in this case flag waving.

    2. The contributors hardly ever P U R E L Y adhere to the topic. They introduce – important – but off point issues in their post.

    3. Responders then not only respond to the in point issue, but also to the off point issues.

    4. An unruly arguement develops.

    Isn’t life like that. Is that not what happens when people gather to discuss – any point.

    So this blog is therefore a more accurate reflection of real life.

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    ram autar Reply:

    ankriti these brhmnst ,thieves of higfhest order ,were taking flag to srinagar to ignite communal riots.there was no deshbhakti it.same money they could give to poor kashmiri pundits as protection from winter.

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    raj Reply:

    same money they could give to poor kashmiri pundits as protection from winter.
    — if they were allowed to live/work there as they did for so many years, they don’t need money.
    they were chased out & property taken over by muslims. crocodile tears now !!!

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    ram autar Reply:

    they were living together for thousands of year.even now who stops them to go.those who returned are welcomed with open arm.all their property religious place is intact.jagmohan a nazi governor of kashmir removed them to communalize kashmir issue.their matrabhumi is only place for them.they are neither hindu nor muslim theyr are brhmns,will get far better treatment with muslims.

    ram autar Reply:

    they are the brhmns for political purpose.

    raj Reply:

    .those who returned are welcomed with open arm.
    — you need a complete re programming of truth, start with this first
    http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/kashmir-pandits/

    Slogans of Kashmiri Muslims to Drive Out Kashmiri Hindus in 1989
    •Kashmir main rahna hai, Allah-ho-Akbar Kahna hoga.
    (If you choose to live in Kashmir, you will have to say Allah-o- Akbar).
    •Asi gachi Pakistan, Bata ros ta batanev san.
    (We want Pakistan, with Kashmiri Hindu women and without their men-folk).
    •Allah-o-Akbar, Musalmano jago Kafiro bhago, jehad aa raha hai.
    (Allah-o-Akbar, arise and awake Muslims, buzz off infidels, jehad is approaching.)
    •Kashmir kya banega – Pakistan
    (What will Kashmir be – Pakistan)
    •Zalimo O, Kafiro, Kashmir hamara chhod do
    (Ye cruel Kafirs (infidels) vacate our Kashmir)
    •Yahan kya chalega, Nizam – e – Mustafa
    (What will have sway here – Prophet’s governance)
    •Arise ye, fearless Momins,
    For Russia has lost the race,
    Now the sword hangs on India’s neck
    Now it is Kashmir’s turn.
    •Islam hamara maksad hai
    Kuran hamara dastur hai
    Jehad hamara rasta hai.
    (Islam is our destination
    Koran is our constitution
    Jehad is our way.)
    •Hamein kya chahye, Nizame Mustafa
    Kashmere main kya chalaiga, Nizame Mustafa
    Hindustan mein kya chalaiga, Nizame Mustafa
    (What do we need – Prophet’s governance. What will
    have sway in Kashmir – Prophet’s governance.
    What will have sway in India – Prophet’s governance.
    •Ganga-Jamuna mein aag lagayenge
    (We will destroy Ganga and Yamuna)

    raj Reply:

    brhmnst ,thieves of higfhest order
    — control your hatred,

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    ram autar Reply:

    everyday there is scam.one joshi mp used to take 12crores bribe per month.from gas victims purchases.tell me who can break their record.1.5 trillions is siphoned by same people.now money is now hiden in ashrams.we need many ghouri and ghazni to clean these evil places.asaram sacrificed more than 25 childrens.satya sai baba ,the king of frauds killed 6 of his bed companions.has 4billions in his bank account.result of frauds.jointly played by another
    brhmn bhaktwatsalam.sabrimala also declared there is no divine power,fires are ignited by bhaang eating (shiv jee ka bhog)pujaris.
    i have no hatred against anybody.but i hate the haters.why u were silent when aslam guru,a muslim brhmn was given death sentence while he did not kill anybody.whike dara singh was not.
    i hate this system.aurangzeb kept his own son in jail for 18 yrs of graft charges,with very hard jail conditins.why u abuse aurangzeb,under his instruction morabadi trade was developed by his son morad.which provided employment to millions and millions.hindu bias profited with this emensely.

    raj Reply:

    .now money is now hiden in ashrams
    – allegation with out proof, zionist propaganda !!!
    .we need many ghouri and ghazni to clean these evil places
    —- and make it worse , as they did to indians
    .asaram sacrificed more than 25 childrens
    —- really, if you provide proof, he will be in jail. see you don’t to help to fix the system, but keep blaming…
    i have no hatred against anybody.but i hate the haters
    — haters hate what, im lost here
    .why u were silent when aslam guru,a muslim brhmn was given death sentence
    —- you are blindly supporing muslims & blindly hating others (kaffir).

    raj Reply:

    why u abuse aurangzeb
    —liar, where did i do it in this thread, ok, now let me find something good about him
    his conservative interpretation of Islam and belief in the Sharia (Islamic law)
    he not only placed a prohibition on music, but actively sought and crushed any resistance
    heinous claim against Aurangzeb, was his policy of temple destruction

    Francois Bernier, traveled and chronicled Mughal India during the war of succession, notes both Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb’s distaste for Christians. This led to the demolition of Christian settlements near the British/European Factories and enslavement of Christian converts by Shah Jahan. Furthermore, Aurangzeb stopped all aid to Christian Missionaries (Frankish Padres) initiated by Akbar and Jahangir.[21

    the conquest of the Deccan, to which, Aurangzeb devoted the last 26 years of his life, was in many ways a Pyrrhic victory, costing an estimated hundred thousand lives a year during its last decade of futile chess game warfare...The expense in gold and rupees can hardly be accurately estimated. [Aurangzeb]’s moving capital alone- a city of tents 30 miles in circumference, some 250 bazaars, with a 1⁄2 million camp followers, 50,000 camels and 30,000 elephants, all of whom had to be fed, stripped peninsular India of any and all of its surplus grain and wealth… Not only famine but bubonic plague arose…Even Aurangzeb, had ceased to understand the purpose of it all by the time he..was nearing 90… “I came alone and I go as a stranger. I do not know who I am, nor what I have been doing,” the dying old man confessed to his son in February 1707. “I have sinned terribly, and I do not know what punishment awaits me.[38]

  • http://www.rediff.con Paritosh

    ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SH*T. ISLAM=SH*T

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  • ram autar

    Foreign power may take over India made so weak & powerless by Brahminical imperialism
    When the ruling class of a country decides to kill it and those slaves being ruled decide to remain as slaves, what can anybody do? Who can save the slaves?

    This is the exact situation of India as it entered the gloomy year 2011 — 64 years after it became “independent”.

    The ruling upper castes — beneficiaries of Gandhism, a minority of mere 15% upper castes led by its micro-minority 2% Brahmins — are unyielding, unchanging, unmoved by the steep fall, fall and slow death of the country with a massive population of 1,300 millions — world’s second largest. It is this 15% of the rulers in the course of 64 years who have become extremely rich, well educated and unabashedly selfish and also most violent.

    Obedient gods: They hold their 330-million obedient gods in their hands and make them dance like circus elephants. Their 64-year-long brain-washing of the rest of the 85% slaves — comprising SC/ST/BCs (65%) plus Muslim, Christian, Sikhs (20%) is so total and complete that the Hindu road-roller has bludgeoned all of them and made them flat Hindu — meaning obedient.

    A marvellous, painless, non-violent killing — unprecedented in the history of the world.

    All that is said above may be repetition. Yes. But stark facts.

    We have time and again bored our readers saying that India has become the world’s largest country housing not only the obedient slaves but slaves enjoying their slavery.

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    raj Reply:

    Foreign power may take over India made so weak
    — indra ghandi’s famous words for all problems. , but you seem to know more, how about naming them…
    massive population of 1,300 millions
    — but then only a few planning by muslims, as its against their religion. so don;’t blame kaffirs.

    marvellous, painless, non-violent killing
    — its better than the alternatives you put forth like communism, islamic brotherhood, sharia, china
    or your favourite aurangazeb…

    We have
    – who is the we here.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Raj

    Do not bother to respond to Ra Outer. He is a Pakistani cutting and pasting on Sati and Devdasi and Dalit and Brahmin etc ad nauseum, whatever be the subject of discussion.

    This blog use dto have good interactions with Syed, Ashish, SKS, Gopi etc; but most have left because of Outer’s craziness. 380 of the 460 entries inthis are Ram’s cut and paste.

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    ram autar Reply:

    ur anti muslims hate spewing has no taker.creator of wealth want peace.cities are the fortress of fascist but countryside situation is reverse,

    Rajeev Reply:

    Raju,
    I guess, he is unemployed mullah sitting in a mosque blabbering BS.

  • ram autar

    Hinduism is not only anti-democratic but anti-human. Even the Brahmins, the custodians of Hinduism, have not benefited materially from this suffocating religion. Hundreds of Brahmins have fled the “holy” India and settled in beef-eating “unholy” US, UK and Gulf countries. Quite a number of them are still complaining of their own poverty in India.

    Foreigners are likely to be deceived by the propaganda of nonviolence, the Gandhian ahimsa. But as representatives of the Untouchables, we would like to blast this myth. Nowhere in the world we can get a set of people who are more violent and blood-thirsty than the Hindus.

    Hinduism is no doubt dying. Christianity and Islam have a better future in India. Urbanisation and scientific development have set fire to the very citadel of Brahminism. But what keeps the dying Hinduism alive are the two main props: caste system and the karma theory — the belief in rebirth, predestiny.

    The Hindus talk about democracy and socialism but “majority rule” in India has resulted in majority tyranny on the minorities who are reduced to the level of second-rate citizens — a persecuted minority. India will soon plunge into a bloody communal and caste war.

    Christianity has helped millions of Untouchables to get liberation. The Tribals of the North-Eastern India are today a force to be reckoned with because of Christianity. All those who went over to Christianity are definitely better off than those who stuck to Hinduism. If Christianity has to attract more followers, it has to immediately set its house in order by getting rid of the caste within the church as far as possible. Secondly, it has to render all-out help to Untouchables and Tribals.

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    raj Reply:

    Hinduism is not only anti-democratic but anti-human
    – think your are drunk & talking about islam

    Christianity has helped millions of Untouchables to get liberation
    — so christian are committing suicude in iraq !

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    ram autar Reply:

    Hinduism is not only anti-democratic but anti-human

    the religion which says that man is born unequal,cannot be democratic.

    Christianity has helped millions of Untouchables to get liberation

    this is fact.i am talking of india.before arrival of americans on scene all races were living like brothers.

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    raj Reply:

    before arrival of americans on scene all races were living like brothers.
    — before arrival of isalm on scene all races were living like brothers.

  • ram autar

    What is alarming is the press reports that the Army is fully infiltrated with Chitpavans. That is why no action is being taken against the AB.

    Abhinav Bharat pledge to impose Hindu Rashtra by using violence, killing all those opposed to their heinous Brahminic dream, has proved the claim that Hinduism stands for non-violence is utterly false. Every Hindu god is fully armed. Every major violent flare-up in India killing thousands and thousands of innocent beings was done only by the Brahminic Hindus. Who says Hinduism stands for non-violence

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    raj Reply:

    wahhabi, shia progaganda

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    ram autar Reply:

    any proof

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  • ram autar

    Caste rivalry among Hindu gods
    Therefore, Hinduism cannot be defined except that we can identify that a Hindu is one who is by birth. The Hindu is one who is not a Muslim or Christian,. That means Hinduism can be defined only negatively. Caste system, of which untouchability is a part, is the foundation on which Hinduism is built. You remove caste, the Hindu edifice falls like a house of cards. So every Hindu must have a caste. Without a caste there can be no Hindu. Nay, caste system is the other name for Hinduism. Caste and untouchability are deathless because they have divine sanction. Even the Hindu gods belong to different castes. And one god fights with another god because of caste rivalry.

    Hinduism is, therefore, a vast mad house. Nay, the maddest house in the whole world. India, because of this, has become a sick country and its sickness is affecting the health of other countries. Look at Sri Lanka, Singapore, Malaysia, UK, USA, Canada, etc. True, Hinduism is actually practiced only by the Brahmins who form the apex of the caste pyramid. They form not even 5% of the Hindu population and yet as “gods of earth” they control everything — all the property and privileges. And, therefore, rightly constitute India’s ruling class, supplying every Prime Minister that India had (barring three or four for a very brief period) since “independence”. None can rule India except the Brahmin. This is the power that Hinduism has conferred on the Brahmin, who is called the Bhoodevata, god on earth

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    raj Reply:

    isalamic propaganda

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  • shan

    Ram autar , another example of hindu yankee zionist plot to malign bangladesh , here is your trade mark technique cut and paste
    14-year-old girl was whipped to death by clerics for allegedly having an illicit relationship with a married man triggering massive protests across Bangladesh. The clerics ordered 14-year-old Mosammet Hena to be whipped by 100 lashes in a Fatwah or a religious court at a village in the outskirts
    of the capital on Tuesday for allegedly carrying on with a married man.

    The girl collapsed midway after being lashed 70 times publicly with a bamboo cane and had to be rushed to hospital where she died hours later.

    The 40-year-old man with whom Hena was having an affair was also sentenced to 100 lashes. But the man fled to escape the punishment.

    The street fury prompted the high court to demand an explanation from the government.

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    ram autar Reply:

    shan bhai khap courts are everywhere,this henious crime should be condemned irrespective cast or creed.calcutta wpmen are more liberated and powerful because of british reforms.the same brhmns who establish their rule started abusing him AND BROUGHT GHANDHI TO SPREAD HINDU REVIVALISM(BRHMNMS).i totally agree with u here.but in india it is at far bigger scale.only thing it is reported much.

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    ram autar Reply:

    actually ghandhi was brought from south africa to fight reforms.brhmn can loose money house even life,but not the system.

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    raj Reply:

    — any proof, usual nothing

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    ram autar Reply:

    see how he acted.he preached hindu slavery.

    Ravi Reply:

    Moral of this story is that we should get the Yanki Zinoist athletes to train all 14 yr old Bangladeshi girls to run away.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Terrorist speaks again…Mullal Saala..

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    raj Reply:

    if they don’t get , don’t say yanki zionist conspiracy

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    farid Reply:

    HENA –DIED—was killed by VILLAGE MULLAHS –village is far away —
    IT IS PATHETIC–WHOLE NATION STOOD UP —AGAINST MULLAHS–
    ALL THE CONCERNED MULLAHS WERE ARRESTED–perhaps MULLAHS will be punished–
    BUT– HENA —WILL NOT RETURN–
    WE ALL ARE GUILTY –WE COULD NOT PROTECT –THE GIRL–OUR DAUGHTER.
    IT IS A SHAME FOR US——-

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    Ravi Reply:

    Farid

    I have a feeling that you may have mis-understood Shan’s intentions.

    Shan is not or ever has been interested in “Our Daughters”, he is ONLY interested in highlighting how Sharia is medieval and brutal.

    Had he been interested in “Our Daughters” he would have realised that brutal misogynist practices are also widespread among H I N D U S in India.

    At least the case has created an outrage in Bangladesh, where whipping is illegal. Similar cases in India hardly are mentioned except when bodies are fished out of canals.

    I share your concern and pain. I hope the Mullah’s are severely punished.

    God bless Hena Akhter’s soul, for she was innocent, a victim of Political Islam.

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  • ram autar

    RAJ, this is specally for u,

    Why India could not produce any Nobel-laureat ?

    : The vaidik boast that they alone constitute the country’s intellectual cream was challenged by none other than the blue-eyed boy of the vaidiks — the “Khatri Sick” PM — described as the “god’s good man” — by the very ruling class. This is what he said:

    Poverty of brain

    Bombay: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Jan.6, 2011 bemoaned India’s inability to produce a Nobel laureate in science since late C.V. Raman won the coveted accolade for physics in 1927.

    “While several Indians have received global recognition for their work, and even Nobel prizes, we have not had an Indian working in India receive a Nobel Prize since Raman”, he said at a Science Foundation awards ceremony here.

    Nobel Prize winners from India in the last century like Dr. Hargobind Khurana and Dr. Chandrashekhar were working in American laboratories when Science’s ultimate success came their way. Dr. Raman, by contrast, worked at his modest laboratory in Bangalore under not too encouraging atmosphere, he C.V. Raman was a Brahmin and the Prize that he got was for “discovering” why the sea water is blue. Why the sea water is blue, white or red is of no use to the people. Raman got the prize before India became “independent”. Even after eating thousands of crores of rupees on scientific experiments these Iyers and Iyengars did not produce anything. Yet they go on getting money.

    ISRO DEBACLE
    The latest is the ISRO tragedy (Ratan Tata, head of the Indian Inst. of Science in Bangalore, has said IISc produced nothing. But the IISc is not worried.

    The Brahminical ruling class (15%) headed by its 2% vaidiks are good only at eating, mating, drinking, idling, killing, destroying — of course boasting.

    The “Khatri Sick” PM now says they are duds. , i have said it a million times.

    But this class of people are a shameless lot. They don’t mind anybody, in or out of India, saying anything about them. Because they are the rulers. “Let the dogs go on barking. We don’t care”. This is what they say.

    RAMAN CHEATED BY ANOTHER BRAHMIN
    Sir C.V. Raman Iyer lived in Bangalore and got the title of “Sir” from the British for being their favourite slave. But the Brahmins boast they “fought” the British and “died for Indian independence”. Bullshit. But you see the “Sir” and other titles, most of it were cornered by the Bhoodevatas only. And yet they claim they are patriots and fought the British.

    Yet another story: C.V. Raman was such a money-minded miserly maniac that he invested all the Nobel money in a Brahmin “fund” floated in Bangalore by Gopal Rao who swallowed the entire amount and Raman lost all the money.

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    raj Reply:

    pm can say anything, but you as usual nothing meaningful

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    ram autar Reply:

    i laugh at vedic boasting.

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    raj Reply:

    where is the vedic boasting, but still better than islamic jihad

    ram autar Reply:

    In his incisive study of the Hindutva phenomenon, titled Saffron Fascism, Shyam Chand, a Dalit scholar and activist who served for many years as member of the Haryana Legislative Assembly, quotes from a secret circular sent out by the RSS to its preachers. It clearly indicates the sinister Brahminical strategy of using the Dalit-Bahujans to attack the Muslims and Christians, while at the same time aiming to keep the Dalit-Bahujans under the permanent slavery of the ‘upper’ castes.
    Excerpts from Secret Circular No.411 issued by the RSS:
    [.] Scheduled Castes and Other Backward Classes are to be recruited to the party so as to increase the volunteers to fight against the Ambedkarites and Mussalmans.
    Hindutva should be preached with a vengeance among physicians and pharmacists so that, with their help, time expired [sic.] and spurious medicines might be distributed amongst the Scheduled Castes, Mussalmans and Scheduled Tribes. The newborn infants of Shudras, Ati-Shudras, Mussalmans, Christians and the like should be crippled by administering injections to them. To this end, there should be a show of blood-donation camps.
    Encouragement and instigation should be carried on [sic.] more vigorously so that the womenfolk of Scheduled Castes, Mussalmans and Christians live by prostitution.
    Plans should be made more foolproof so that the people of the Scheduled Castes, Backward Classes, Musslamans and Christians, especially the Ambedkarites, become crippled by taking in [sic.] harmful eatables.
    Special attention should be given to the students of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes so as to make them read the history written according to our dictates.
    During riots the women of Mussalmans and Scheduled Castes should be gang-raped. Friends and acquaintances cannot be spared. The work should proceed on the Surat model.
    Publication of writings against Mussalmans, Christians, Buddhists and Ambedkarites should be accelerated. Essays and writings should be published in such a way as to prove that Ashoka was opposed to the Aryans.
    All literature opposed to Hindus and Brahmins are [sic.] to be destroyed. Dalits, Mussalmans, Christians and Ambedkarites should be searched out. Care should be taken to see that this literature do [sic.] not reach public places. Hindu literature is to apply [sic.] to the Backward Classes and Ambedkarites.
    The demand by the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes for filling in the backlog vacancies in services shall by no means be met. Watch should be kept to see that their demands for entry and promotion in government, non-government or semi-government institutions are to be rejected and their service records are destroyed with damaging reports.
    Measures should be taken to make the prejudices amongst Scheduled Castes and Backward people more deep-rooted. To this end, help must be taken from saints and ascetics.
    Attacks should be started with vigour against equality, preaching communists [sic.], Ambedkarites, Islamic teachers, Christian missionaries and neighbours [?].
    Assaults should be made on Ambedkar’s statues with greater efforts.
    Dalit and Muslim writers are to be recruited to the party and by them essays and literature opposed to the Dalits, Ambedkarites and Mussalmans written and preached [sic.]. Attention is to be paid to see that these writings are properly edited and preached [sic.].
    Those opposed to Hindutva are to be murdered through false encounters. For this work the help of the police and semi-military [sic.] forces should always be taken.”[2]
    *
    In the face of this circular, no more evidence is needed to show what Hindutva actually bodes for the Dalit-Bahujans. It circular very clearly indicates that Hindutva aims essentially at preserving the oppression of the Dalit-Bahujans, in addition to the Muslims and Christians, on which the entire edifice of Brahminism stands.

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    shan Reply:

    @ram harijan (hari that is lord krishna’s jan ,meaning people). You have made a BIG ERROR.CVRAMAN
    did all his work in INDIAN ASSOCIATION for CULTIVATIVATION OF SCIENCE IN CALCUTTA.just google the name and you can also see the instrument he used. While Golwalker and his elks busy making a plan for hindu rashtra , long before, MOHENDRA LAL SIRCAR(a yadav and a doctor) founded this institution to rival the british Royal Institution.Oh yes he was an atheist , who told Ramkrishna (guru of swami Vivekananda) , that “your going into samadhi is nothing but epilectic fit”. The MUSLIM world needs few Sircar at the moment. However it is sad to note what has happened to the birth state of sircar. it might just be true the Bramhin and bose /mitras HAVE SCREWED THAT STATE FOR GOOD. mamata may be bramhin by birth , but my feeling his she has no caste prejudice. ALL THE COMMUNST IN BENGAL DO, they only marry into their own caste , though communist THEY ALL PERFORM ALL THE HINDU RITES , WILL COMITSUICIDE IF THE DAUGHTER MARRIES A MUSLIM. Though in the ultimate analysis ISLAM is to blame for West Bengal’s ills.Because 2 crore HINDUS crossed from BANGLADESH to WEST BENGAL, for muslims going to bangladesh from west bengal the number is 1000. Why Islam is to blame , NO SELF RESPECTING LIBERAL NON MUSLIM CAN LIVE IN A ISLAMIC THEOCRATIC STATE.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Here are the numbers of Indian’s who live in Muslim Theocratic states.

    Malaysia 2.4 Million

    Saudi Arabia 1.5 Million

    UAE 1.5 Million

    Oman 450,000

    Qatar 125, 000

    I guess these may have been self loathing Hindus, for as you say – NO SELF RESPECTING LIBERAL NON MUSLIM CAN LIVE IN A ISLAMIC THEOCRATIC STATE.

    I guess the Bengali bowel movement is still thriving and is disgorging its liquid load in the Medway.

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    shan Reply:

    This bengali is responding from a train from london to wales. All those examples you whose “sussu da nanga” cite is OVERWHELMINGLY POOR LABOURERS EXPLOITED MORE THAN THE CHINESE SLAVE LABOUR.

    Ravi Reply:

    My sussu is not nanga even though you may have read Khushwant Singh, you do not read your own shite, isalmophobic, irrational, and inhuman propoganda.

    They may well be exploited labour (most labour in India is exploted too, just ask Primark and M&S) but they are not your “NO SELF RESPECTING LIBERAL NON MUSLIM CAN LIVE IN A ISLAMIC THEOCRATIC STATE.” This utterly unsustainble platitude, is without any evidence or foundation. It reflects your putrid mind, rather than any ground reality.

    You missed my point, as you always do. These H I N D U s are in the Middle Eastern Muslim Countries, of their own FREE WILL and among them are as many Self Respecting Liberals, as their are muslim hating fascists like you.

    Daily queues form outside embasies of Middle Eastern coutries where yet more willing H I N D U recruits wait for their life-changing Visas.

    Ravi Reply:

    Before the Islamophobe, H I N D U, Fascists, point out that most Indians living in Islamic theocratic states are Muslims from India, here is the break down of Hindu population by Islamic Countries.

    There are many Hindus in Arab states, many due to the migration of Indians to the oil-rich states around the Persian Gulf.
    Hindu temples have been built in Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Yemen and Oman.

    The estimated figures for the Hindu population in several Arab countries is as follows:

    Saudi Arabia 1,100,000
    United Arab Emirates 900,000
    Oman 300,000
    Kuwait 200,000
    Bahrain 100,000
    Qatar 90,000
    Yemen 6,000

    Total: 2.7 million, slef-loathing Hindus, for as you say, “NO SELF RESPECTING LIBERAL NON MUSLIM CAN LIVE IN A ISLAMIC THEOCRATIC STATE.”

    So how does that Baul song goes, “Tumhrae dil ki doya hoye na”

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Ravi

    The incredible lengths you go to support your people should be conngratulated. I am sure you will have this focus and energy in educating your fellow brethren nd showing them an upward path.

    The numbers and statements you ahve provided are from Wikepedia. I hope, sincerely hope, we do not take Wikepedia as the authoritative foundational info.

    It is true that there are considerable number of hindus in middle east. Whether that is 2 million (seems to ebe a high number because all other than Egypt is very small population countries) or 1 million.

    But it is not true that they allow temples and freedom of worship. Of all the countries, Saudi Arabia does not allow anything. You cannot even take a Krishna or Jesus or Ganesh picture; it will eb confiscated in teh airport, or if the religious police come sto know about it, it will be taken away from your home. So, half of your people do not have the right to pray or assemble for prayer.

    As fara s temples in Oman (you must be kidding!) etc , they are weekly gatherings in an auditorium/hall; not temple. None of the middle east countries, except Saddam Hussen’s Iraq, allowed temples.

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    So the thrust of your atguement is that Wikipedia is wrong. Ha Ha Ha.

    So I do not see you presenting any alternative set of figures other than that you have a hunch that the figure sounds a bit too much.

    I am sure readers can judge for themsleves.

    You are an undisputed H I N D U fundo and therefrore a Political Hindu.

    Yes that is true that Saudi does allow practice aof ANY religion, but that does not mean it is anti H I N DU. But you are irrationally anti Islam.

    Where is your proof that there are no Temples in Oman.

    The lenghths to which you would go to irrationally demonise Isalm is deplorable and un-acceptable.

  • Raju Kurien

    As a Christian, I find Ram Outer’s writings abhorrent, inflammatory, insulting to all human beings. He coopts Christians as a “opptressed minority”, hey, why not! Christians are the richest and most powerful in Kerala, and they achieve dit through their hard work, not based on any government handouts. Ditto for Christians in Karnataka (mainly Mangalore), ditto in Tamil Nadu, ditto in Andhra Pradesh (the respected CM YSR who died in a plane crash was a Christian). Ditto in MAharashtra (mainly Mumbai)
    The recent converts, North East christians are well-educated.

    So, i request Ram Outer that he focus on educating Muslims and improving their livelihood, rather than constantly blaming Hindus, Western christians, (he has coopted Indian christians), Jews (ya milliuons of them in india)….

    People like him make people hate Muslims.

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    ram autar Reply:

    raju u hate muslims.i dont care.education in muslims is silent revolution.u were rich in kerala but now muslims are richer than u.education needs money.why education is not made fundamental right of every indian,even higher education likein countries li canada.ur views are always partial and one sided.brhmnsm are pushing people into poverty.u got rich in kerala by working in muslim countries.
    where there is america,there is problem.why u put blame on muslims.u are helped by missionaries in educating poor converts.why u hate muslims.i dont understand.our record is far better than ur record.
    how u treated non christian in christian countries.u write against our prophet while we respect jesus.
    brhmnsm is root of all evil in india.in northern india they destroyed primary education.they damage the root hence in competitive world there own people will go up.then the circus of bhagwans.

    Christians in Karnataka (mainly Mangalore), ditto in Tamil Nadu, ditto in Andhra Pradesh (the respected CM YSR who died in a plane crash was a Christian). Ditto in MAharashtra (mainly Mumbai)

    this is all due to missionary school who provide u with best education free.bur muslims are coming fast.as i told u it is silent revolution.but ur hatred will kill u.u dont brutal attacks of christian countries on weak defenceless countries,but only weeps on suicide attackers.u never say that britishers were robbers and killers.because u r christians.
    u should be even in ur views.

    achieve dit through their hard work.
    muslims are more hard workers than u do office jobs while we do hard jobs.in gulf countries u are nowhere near muslims in bussines.

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    raj Reply:

    what – nothing to cut & paste ?

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    ram autar Reply:

    i have lot wait pls.

  • ram autar

    I guess, he is unemployed mullah sitting in a mosque blabbering BS.

    rajeev,

    Brahminism is, , the root cause of our poverty, corruption, exploitation, backwardness, illiteracy, and more than anything hate-mongering resulting in reckless violence.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You bloody Mullah whipped a girl to death in Bangladesh..Saale Joote maar kar kar tera munh laal kar denge.

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    ram autar Reply:

    khap adaleten rooz yahi karti hain.hum to latin america mein rahte hain.door hai.rohtak mein pakad lo.she was having illicit relationship.in brhmnsm it is not sin some where it is taken seriously.

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  • ram autar

    Corruption dents India’s global image, says Prime Minister

    “Holy Hindustan”, land of spiritualism, is stinking with corruption

    : Brahminical rulers, like their Jewish cousins, are experts in propaganda which made the gullibles in the West to believe that India is the “land soaked in spiritualism”, that the people are so god-fearing that they do not kill even an ant. Their biggest gas balloon is Gandhi whose “saintly appearance” deceived the whole world.

    Such a “great land of spiritualism”, with 330 million gods, is buried under mountains of corruption and destroying every wing of the society. Its very pillars of “Hindu spiritualism” are shielding and defending the corrupt rascals.

    “KHATRI SICK” IN SCAM ?
    When the World Bank nominee, the “Khatri Sick” PM’s name figured in the country’s most famous and the largest financial scam, (telecom), he rushed to the notorious Puttaparti Satya Sai Baba, hailed as the very incarnation of god, though the same god could not cure the hundred and one diseases he is suffering from.

    Brahminical “spiritual” leaders in hundreds have gone to US, UK and other Western countries to fool the godless Christians and doing brisk business selling their bogus yoga, a big humbug.

    TIRUPATI RECEIVES TAINTED MONEY
    Suresh Kalmadi, a Madhwa Brahmin from Karnataka, is fully protected by the Udupi swamis and their butter thief god Krishna. Harshad Mehta, Ketan Desai, Ramalinga Raju, Ambanis, all of them are highly spiritual fellows — whatever that may mean.

    Bangalore’s Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and the Udupi Pejawara Swami are the gurus for all these thieves.

    The Tirupati temple, the richest in India, is receiving all this stolen money. Yet, neither the presiding god nor its priests rejected this filthy stuff. Reports say the money stolen in all these scams are deposited with these Hindu swamis and temples for safe- keeping.

    GADKARI’S Rs. 4-CRORE MARRIAGE
    More corruption means more income to temples and the Brahmin priests.

    That is why they deliberately encourage corruption.

    Corruption, therefore, helps Brahminism — and well — promotes Brahminism.

    How then can these Hindu swamis claim they are opposed to corruption when they are the most corrupt?

    One Brahmin writer advocated “more spiritualism to stop the proliferating scams”. Spiritualism in India has a different meaning: injecting the poison of Brahminism which is the other name for corruption.

    MEDIA CORRUPTION
    You kick the “spiritually rich” Hindu swami and you can see him vomiting and shitting tons of corrupt money.

    It is this Brahminical spiritualism that caused a sudden spurt in scams.

    The newly appointed Brahmana Jati Party president, Nitin Gadkari, a Brahmin from Nagpur, recently celebrated his son’s marriage spending Rs. 4 crore or more. From where did he get so much of money? Party leaders did not question him. Shankaracharis blessed him. Our Brahminical media (print and electronic) loves corruption stories. The corruption in the media is a well-known fact. It came to light in the “Nira Radia tapes”. Most of those figuring in the tapes are Brahminical journalists.

    Corruption helps Brahminical rulers to divert attention of the people from burning issues to stupid non-issues. Social justice is the first casualty of corruption.

    As most of the people caught in corruption cases are small fellows like SC/ST/BCs and Muslims, it helps the ruling Brahminists, who are the most corrupt, to crush the enemy.

    GANDHI AS KING OF THE CORRUPT
    M.K. Gandhi hailed as the apostle of non-violence, walking with a simple loin cloth and fountain head of Hindu spiritualism, was the king of all the Hindu corrupt crorepatis. He made the Marwadis, once beggars, into multi-millionaires. Birlas, Dalmias, Bajajs, Ambanis, Goenkas, Sahu Jains were all blessed by Gandhi to loot the country and become rich.

    “Hindu spiritualism” is the other name for Brahminical blood-sucking exercise.

    INDIVIDUAL SALVATION
    “Brahminical philosophy” is different from all other religious philosophy. Under Islam, Christianity and even Jewish religions what is preached and practised is “collective salvation”. Followers of each religion go to their religious centers at the appointed time or day and pray to their god collectively.

    But under Brahminism you are directed to go to your temple alone and pray alone for your individual salvation alone. See the difference.

    Happiness is always collective. An individual can never be happy when the whole society is rotting, stinking, sick and suffering. Hinduism has killed our sense and sensibilities.

    This is the essence of the Hindu value system. It is this dangerous value system that makes a Hindu to make money — beg, borrow, steal or murder — and then offer a part of the money to the god (meaning the godman) and a heaven is assured for you. That is how most of the corrupt rascals caught in the scams are all “highly religious”.

    Brahminism is, therefore, the root cause of our poverty, corruption, exploitation, backwardness, illiteracy, and more than anything hate-mongering resulting in reckless violence.

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    raj Reply:

    – with out any proof as usual.
    —- so long it was zionist, changed the track…

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    ram autar Reply:

    be specific.what proof.

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    raj Reply:

    that your cut & paste is true

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