A better Islamist who banned terror

What a frucking apologist /story — Rahman took 8 years after 9/11 to pronounce terorism is bad, and then he had his own qualifications as to which terrorism is bad, basically making all terrorism “just”.. For God’s sake, Deoband School even have a course on “jehad”..

Bad people live long… that is the only moral of this wreteched man’s life.

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shan Reply:
December 12th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

@Zia, okay I commemnd the nationalist in him ,but these are the people who should be history,because he could not reform islam , or he wouldn’t dare to ,nor did he modernise islam , nor did he question the authenticity and veracity of quoran, and lastly he didnot RE EVALUATE quoran in the light of seismic changes in beleif system brought about by science. Here is the difference. When Bishop of Durham was asked about RESURRECTION , he said he does not beleive resurrection
in physical sense , but more of a symbolic. If the late rahman said something of that order he could have ushered in a cataclysmic change for good in islam. like he could have said we need allah , and that’s it , no need for haz to fill the coffers of imperial arab , eating pork has nothing to do with allah, and life and society should be dictated according to the needs of the time , thus no nikah no talaq but civil marriage and civil divorce.

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G. Mustafa Reply:
December 12th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

Your demand is stretched one, he was afterall a mullah not a socialist/activist. Religious freedom are confined well within limits, crossing that is taboo.

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shan Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

@Mustafa, religion need not DRAW THE PERIMETER OF FREEDOM , it is no longer religion then , which is supposed to be the quest for meaning of life , that is draws the perimeter IN ONE PARTICULAR RELIGION says it all about that religion and the kind of society it breeds.

Vinay Reply:
December 12th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

@Shan,
As far as marriage-divorce laws, government should have taken the bold decision. Don’t put the blame on this person. Regarding questioning the authenticity of quoran; your expectation is not reformation of Islam, instead a revolution. An ordinary religious head cannot do that. To me, one smaller irreversible step is better than 10 reversible ones. But he could have made an islamic scholar committee (or some such blah blah.. an eyewash) who can device some Islamic laws which help an average muslim fit better into the modern society’s requirements (like population control, rights of divorced woman). Some route, which does not hurt an average Muslim’s religious sentiments, at the same time relevant for today. It would have helped Muslims better.

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A khan Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

@Vinay, Shan

Have you read the Quran? It is not fair to comment on something for which you dont possess any knowledge. Reform yourself and world will be reformed.

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shan Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

I have read it , there are passage after passage , which are totally incompatible with modern day as are there IN EACH AND EVERY RELIGION, but people of all other faith bar ISLAM is open to that scrutiny , and accept SCIENCE as the defining principle , whereas in ISLAMIC QUOM this backwardness in thinking , this demented approach and TOTAL UNCONCERN FOR RATIONALITY is the root cause of islamic countries will continue to live at the mercy of SCIENTIFIC, SECULAR , LIBERAL WEST.

Shakil Ahamed Reply:
December 20th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

Dear Shan

I respect your thought as a human being that is different from other.

but wht you have read is what u want to read and wht u understand is wht u wnt to understand.
but bright minded and read what u read try to find the context then u will be able to under stand. and u will be able to understand any book of religion.

ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

shan be aware of brahmns,

There were 80 % Brahmins in Budhas’s Bhikku Sangha, but they only ditched and killed the Budha. Emperor Ashoka had to dislodge and remove the pious saffron robe (chiwar) of around 75,000 Brahmin Bhikkus. Brahmins troubled and even killed the great leaders who walked on Budha’s path like Kanishka, Harshwardhan, Namdev, Ravidas, Kabir, Tukaram, Shivaji, Tegbahadur Singh, Arjun Dev, Mahatma Phule, Shahu Maharaj, Sambhaji, and even Dr. Ambedkar. In the beginning Dr. Ambedkar didn’t hate the Brahmins but after the incident of Maratha people program at Pune (1942), he also declared that Brahmins can’t be anybody’s friend. Therefore, we should paste everywhere that “Beware of Brahmins (i.e. aliens in India”). It should be written on all the walls of all the cities

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Ankit Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 11:24 am

Two things:
1. What have you been reading?
2. If you actually count the number of ‘brahmins’ in India, they would be less than 20%. I don’t have any figures on their wealth, but since none of the richest or powerful people in India happen to be ‘Brahmin’ (Ambani, Wadia, Gandhi family, Azim Premji, Mallya, Manmohan Singh, yes all non-brahmins) I can assume that brahmins don’t hold all the wealth, and all the power.

Yes moron, India is not ruled by brahmins, but a collection of people called Indians. GETTIT!!! (BTW if that helps, Im a Brahmin)

Ziauddin Shafi Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 1:21 am

It will take some more time for you to appreciate that Indian Muslims are writing a new chapter in Islamic history. In India they are neither a majority nor a mini minority and are struggling against all odds in marking socio-economic space for themselves peacefully in their country under a hostile atmosphere. Moderate nationalists like Maulana Abul Kalam Azad to a great extent and Maulana Marghoob to a lesser extent have chalked out a spiritual-scientific path for post-independence Indian Muslims to follow. Hard-liners of all hues would find it hard to digest – and that’s a tragedy which Indian Muslims have to cope with courageously.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 1:35 am

Muslims would have been far better off had they followed Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad’s advice.

It is time to blame others – hard liners or soft liners or one liners — There is no substitiute for hard work, persistence, accomplishments, achievemnets. Indians of all caste nd creed respect Dr Abdul Kalam. Children of all religions went gaga over him. (although many Muslims resented him). India has demonstrated time and again that merit and accomplishments will be respected and recognized, whereevr it comes from. All respect Manmohan Singh. Tos ome extent, all respect Antony for his simplicitya nd uncorruptability. Different rleigions, all Indians, all contributing…

The targedy of Indian Muslims (as all other Msulims worldwide) is a self-inflicted one, constantly refusing to be with the flow, to integrate, to be a part of teh vibrant community. Trains have left so many times, and you guys stayed in the station. It is still not too late… Again do not blame others.. Whom will you blame for Muslims’ situation in all other ISlamic countries – Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Somalia, Chad, Sudan — are Muslims rising there to top achievements …and they are nort rising there because some majority is suppressing them????

Aamir Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 7:50 am

9/11 was an American plan.many christians have come forward with theories regarding that .u may google it

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

aamir it was zoinist plan to ignite war between christians and muslims.weaken both and enslave botk.

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Sam Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 9:23 am

Deboband Fatwa, does not define who is an innocent.

Can a hindu, who does not recognize Islam or Mohammed be innocent ?

the koranic verse of prohibiting innocent’s killing only applies to Muslims.

Islam gives full permission to kill Hindus, as a part of waging Jihad for Allah..
Deoband fatwa is full of loop holes and is not even worth 1% of importance Zia (& other apologists ) gives..

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Sam Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 5:30 am

If a Hindu in pakistan says

Mohamed is false prophet, or islam is a false religion…
he will be hanged.

but muslims have a right to say, all religions before them are false or not true..

what is is double standard of blasphemy ?

why only muslims have a right to denigrate other religions, but not others ?

if a muslim leaves islam, he can he hanged on apostasy charge.
but muslims can actively canvass for converts from other religions..

what is this double standards. ???

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

Can a hindu, who does not recognize Islam or Mohammed be innocent ?

why not yes

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

Mohamed is false prophet, or islam is a false religion…
he will be hanged

yes.

but muslims have a right to say, all religions before them are false or not true..

muslims are not supposed to speak bad about other religion.mullah says qualities of islam but never say bad about others.that is why in inmuslim countries u will not find any literature against others ,except comparative studies.

if muslim dont respect jesus and moses ,he will not remain muslim.that is why it is muslims who
made christmas tree worth 11 million dollars.dubai has biggest cross of world.we are not evangelist.who hate everybody.

GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH,i agree with u hegde moulana was wrong.he should declared those who will attack muslims will be killed.his line is wrong.why we should not kill somebody who kill my son.whatever he says,revenge is nature.satanic brhmnst are the only terrorist in india.their days are nubered,

The micro-minority pro-zionist rulers of India, surrounded by enemies outside the country and hated inside by the overwhelming indigenous Moolnivasi Bahujans, have no other go but to commit mass suicide and follow their zionist cousins. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Rajeev Reply:
December 12th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

Looking at the comments of terrorist Mahommad Autar, I must say this Maulana must be a good person.

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:43 am

hegde,islam is against nationalism u are brhmn u will never understand good human qualities.
islam is against any type of ism except humanism.

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Ajaya K Dutt Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am

I am a Brahmin. I do see the hatered in your words, just as much as I see hatered in those who declare that I, being a Kafir or pagan or whatever, should be killed. Do you not think that is EVIL, Mr Ra Autar?

India, is the most tolerant country in the world. I would never dream of seeing supporter of 9/11 chanting slogans in United States, but I see that there are those supporting

shan Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

@Ajaya , Dutt a bramhin?

ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:56 am

mr rajeev ,tell me what u will do ,if ur family is systematically annihilated.pak jehidis are doing the same.whatever moulana say,if u kill my dog i will kill ur cat.

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Kunal Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 5:03 am

lol brahministic demons ….we know what your dalit friend A. Raja has done to India so far …come here and talk nonsense..go and do some work instead of living on quotas.

Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 7:37 am

Kunal

Autar is a Muslim guy… But as you know, there is a concerted effort by Extremist Jehadist Muslim politicos to co-opt Dalits and present a “unified” platform -

HEGDE FROM 8000 YEARS INDIANS ARE WAITING SAME WORDS FROM BRHMNST.WHEN THESE MURDER AND PLUNDERS OF INDIA WILL SAY SAME.

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Whatever may be his personal belefs, Mr Rahman should be given some cerdit that the Indian deoband School did not turn like its offshoots in Pakistan . Pakistani deobandi school created almost all of its terrorist leaders. Indian deobandi school, as far as we know, hs not created any terrorist.

A future Ph D student may unearth the rationale/reason as to why the seed (pakistani deobandis) grew into a monster. and why the parent stayed non-controversial. Was it Rahman’s idea and leadership? Or was it the pluralistic Indian polity? Or, was it the belief that Muslims in India will be doomed if they try to be like Pakistani Deobandis. Or, if India were a Muslim majority country, would Indian Deobandis also have behaved like Pakiistani deobandis believing in autocracy, clerical leadership, death obsession, burqua, women suppression, and a life like it was in the sands of arabia thousands of years ago..

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Vinay Reply:
December 12th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

Will second you. Despite having great sympathizers like Diggi Raja, if Indian deobandi school has not created any terrorist, then we need to congratulate this man!

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:47 am

vinay creator of wealth want peace.hindu zoinists are theonly real terrorist of india.lie is their staple food while violence is their oxygen.

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:53 am

A future Ph D student may unearth the rationale/reason as to why the seed (pakistani deobandis) grew into a monster

**** deobandi became monster because of american agression.otherwise they are part of us.

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Ajaya K Dutt Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am

The answer is in the acceptance and tolerance of Hindusim. If hindus would have created an environment as “Islamic” Pakistan has created for Hindus, then there will be monsters even if stays silent because of practice reason. The reason that most of the Muslims do accept Hindu Majority India as their own country is because there is tolerance and acceptance in Hindu culture.

Even then there are people like Indian Mujahidin and Mr Ram Autar, who think Hindu “Zionists” (I am completely confused why he calls Hindus Zionist, but then he thinks that “american agression” is creating monsters). It is creed and practice of hatered that creats monsters. Evil stems when one hates another because of Caste, creed, color, gender or age. Hatered is the breeding ground for monsters. Mr Ram Autar, and his like in Maoist will not understand that.

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

ajaya hindus are most intolerant and blood thirsty race of the world.

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The reason Deobandis was against partition does not have anything to do with nationalism; but the fear about the Muslims left behind who may not migrate. Their mean calculus made them believe that the ones who are left behind will be eliminated by the majority. While that did not happen in India; those “fears’ (of course Hindus being naive did not have that fear!) did prove right in Pakistan, where the majority systematically killed Hindus and Sikhs and Christians marginalizing the minority from 17% to 2% today.

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Vinay Reply:
December 12th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

Both sides of Punjab (Pakistan and Indian) have acted terribly during partition. (Only debate can be, who started first). I feel, Hindu percentage in Punjabi Pakistan is same as Muslim percentage in Indian Punjab. I presume, southern states of India were not much involved with partition and their demographics remained same.

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:51 am

benoy rss was leading blood bath of 1947.on 6nov.1947 250000 muslims were slaughtered in jammu only.
demand for partition came from rss followed by lala lajpat rai ,then nehru.muslims always wanted united india.

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Rajeev Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 9:52 am

Since 1948 11 million muslims have died in violence and out of this 11 million 10 million were killed by muslims themselves- only 1 million have been killed by non muslims put togther. So much for muslims and peace.

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

rajeev u all like brainless moths,can not think and see the things in proper way,

why hindus behave like brainless moths,

t is a formidable task for you to go on at your age. I hope you will have a band of young men to continue this movement. The main point in my article was to show the similarity between the behaviour of Hindu-Faithfuls and the moths. For millions of years all insects developed their nervous system to be guided by star-light or moon-light which are at optical-infinity. When they came into areas of man-made artificial lights they get dis-oreinted. They think they are going in straight line, but they fly into spirals around the lights. Hindus are made to believe by the wily priests that by going round and round the stone idols they will earn the grace of god to win a place in Vaikhunta [Lord Vishnu’s], being released from the cycle of birth and death. If a rich man builds a Balaji- Temple, people of the area rush there, just like moths when a second light is switched on. Or even at the reflection of the lamp in the pail of water.

ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 3:59 am

where the majority systematically killed Hindus and Sikhs and Christians marginalizing the minority from 17% to 2% today
they migrated to india out of fear of voilenece and better economic prospects in india.few were killed in retaliation.rss goons were killling muslims ,with far more determination.

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One thing is evident, No Muslim cleric supported Violence, Murders and Killings, Rape*s etc. Always they denounced.
Unfortunately no prominent Hindu/RSS leader denounced Rapes by its cadre, Killings, demolitions, burning alive of human beings.
Leaders like Bhagwat, Advani, Togadia, Modi, Bal have involved and supported most heinous crimes in the history.
It is shame on those who target Muslim clerics without looking in to the evil designs of Hindutvadis.

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shan Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

@Indian whose heart lies outside india in the sand dunes. Muslim cleric do not advocate violence , they dont need to , THE BOOK is full of inspiration for violence, that is the rason MAJORITY of violence at the moment are carried out by the ardent followers of that book. Hindu clerics HAVE NO SWAY ON HINDU MINDS , that is the reason their opinion counts zero , for hindus god is a personal worship , like lover in case of meera , or child in case of gopala, ALSO THERE IS A CONCEPT CALLED AHIMSA IN HINDUISM , there is no such thing in islam.

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

SHAN,
why hindus behave like brainless moths,

t is a formidable task for you to go on at your age. I hope you will have a band of young men to continue this movement. The main point in my article was to show the similarity between the behaviour of Hindu-Faithfuls and the moths. For millions of years all insects developed their nervous system to be guided by star-light or moon-light which are at optical-infinity. When they came into areas of man-made artificial lights they get dis-oreinted. They think they are going in straight line, but they fly into spirals around the lights. Hindus are made to believe by the wily priests that by going round and round the stone idols they will earn the grace of god to win a place in Vaikhunta [Lord Vishnu’s], being released from the cycle of birth and death. If a rich man builds a Balaji- Temple, people of the area rush there, just like moths when a second light is switched on. Or even at the reflection of the lamp in the pail of water. This should get wide publicity among youth. This is what I wanted to say in “Narayana Murthy & Brahmins” (DV Feb.16, 2010 p.26

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

shan ,t Hinduism as we all know it’s the most idiotic religion brought to practice in the history of mankind.hence dont dicuss much about ur faith and religion.for of hindu samaj was first biggest
terrorist act of our holy land.
u all are like brainless moths as i discussed earlier.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

Which world are you living, “Indian”? Mullahs and Maulavis are behind exhorting the young Muslims to commit suicide bombing – in UK, Pakistan, US, Europe. All acts of terrorism eventually lead to a Mulah where the kids got brainwashed.

All the leaders of Pakustani terrorism ae students of deoband Madrasa, Pakistan

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ram autar Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

Which world are you living, “Indian”? Mullahs and Maulavis are behind exhorting the young Muslims to commit suicide bombing
yes but only against occupiers and their local cronies like zardai and geelani.they both are making 1.5 arab pakistani ruppes per day through bribedrinking and eating the blood and flesh of innocent
loving people of pakistan.

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

@ram Autar , get your facts right, Nehru a bramhin by birth 150% english in all other aspect(he said @I will be the first british Prime Minister) was virulently opposed to nazis. Bose did seek Hitler’s help , but he wrote to his nephew , Hitler is hopping mad. Then again for a pakistani like you not much to expect. just finished reading OBAMAS WARS. There is a passage about holbrooke meeting Haquani , the pakistani ambassador. Holbrooke asks haquani , how can pakistan help america. Now mark haquani’s words When a man meets a woman , WE KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE THING IN HIS MIND , but for women it is different , she expects showered with gifts and begging on hs knees. I think for the generic word men he should have qualified with by saying ONLY PAKISTANI MEN

Raju Kurien Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

The grand Mufti of palestine lso was a supporter of Hitler

ram autar Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

not because he endorsed his views and ideas.enemy of ur enemy is ur friend.but hitler was jew.his mother was jews.he was playing the game on behlf of choosen people.result christians were killed christianity was weakened.
like india jews,HAMARA KYA JATA HAI.

ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 6:45 am

due to his love for lady mountbattan ,he divided india.

hi zia,

are you sure terming the maulvi as ‘islamist’ is correct?Islamism as a term is loaded with political connotations, and often lends itself to negative interpretation. You might want to rephrase it….

cheers,
amit

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May Allah ta’ala grant the maulana Marghubur Rahman jannatul Firdouse,Ameen. Most of the comments, above show the lack of understanding and knowledge of Islam. They show the animosity towards Muslims and Islam. It is pity some people have such thoughts,notions and ill feelings towards the religion, even in this 21st century. Let us have more more prudence and live in hormony.

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Under a stupid blashphemy law in Pakistan a docotor has been put behind the bar because
he threw the visiting card of one of his patient whose name was Mohammad in dustbin. This
patient of his complained to the police that the doctore has insulted Prophet Mohammad.

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@Sam@Binoy

Agree with you on the “looseygooseyness” of mr Rahman’s fatwa. Not only that it took him 8 years to condemn terrorism, and when he did it it was full of “loopholes” ..

And it is sad that the bar is so low now for a Muslim that ‘eminent” journalists like Zia says “he was good because he did not commit terrorism/did not promote terrorism”..

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Sam Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

the expectations for a muslim are very low (not just in india, but worldwide)..

if they do not commit terrorism, they are considered “good” people.

if a hindu/christian does not commit terrorism, they are considered “normal”..

we do not call Hindus “good” people..

Zia and other muslims are so biased, they want to praise even “normal” muslims as “good”..

I wonder why ??

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ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

two days back all body parts of our female ambasdor were checked by a male security gaurds.today turban of our sikh reprenstative at un was removed and thoroughly checked by force.tooth cavity of all 6plus children are also thorughly investigated for security reasons.

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Ashish Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

Unable to understand what the fuss was all about.. sometime back Senator Bob Dole did not clear security as he was not carrying an ID and could not catch a flight.
This whole incident is nonsense; our babus do not just get it; outside of India, they can’t get preferential treatment like at home.
So, now we make a collective *** of ourselves as nation and people and cry outrage.. what utter rot!

shan Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 2:47 am

@Ashish, this is a symptom of a nation colonised for a long time. In personal life as well as in NDTV , you see the a r s e licking of anything “euro american”. like NDTV’s bleeding heart campaign to save the tiger , yet no campaign to implement right to food, universal education , universal access to family planning, OR THE HEADLINE NEWS OF THE SLAPPER LIZ HURLEY AND HIS CUCKOLD NAM KA WASTE HUSBAND ARUN NAIR’S SEPARATION.IN ALL PRINT AS WELL AS ELECTRONIC MEDIA. MERA BHARAT S H I T.

ram autar Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

mr sigh,
invidual terrorism is awnser of state terrorism.till imperialist powers will kill local hapless people.they have full right to retaliate.islam is moral based religion.we dont want certificate from those ,who killed 25 million women,blaming them as witch.finished all old religions of their areas.extincted the aboriginal.seized their land without compensation.killed 10millions blacks during slave trade.financed ist and second `world wars for their interest.invented communism to rule the world.also killed 5 crores rusians.pauperized america through wars.

moulana satatement is wrong.apology should come from west for their brutal bad deeds.
we are good people.our history is known to everybody.

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Binoy

You are right about the Deobandi motivations against the partition. Another less mentioned and often over-looked factor is the Ulema’s desire to keep ignorant masses of Muslims under the permanent “religious” shackles. Madani made so many deals with Nehru, basically keeping government as far away (other than receiving money) controlling all aspects of Muslim life, essentially enslaving them , and preventing indirectly them from particiption, growth, accomplishments, achievements.

History(including Islamic History) is full of examples of how clerical domination screwed up countries and civilizations. This is what is happening in Pakistan. As somebody mentioned, it is a good thing that (Islamic) Clerical control on Indian (Muslims) did not create any terrorists. However, the bad thing, zapping of aspiration and motivations, takes a long time to rectify. And Deoband school has not done anything and is not doing anything to bring Muslims up. (other than manufacturing Mullahs as they have done for two hundred years, with the same objective as they had then, “to unclutch Muslims from western science and progress and corrupting influence of western civilization”

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shan Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

@L Mirza, the voice of reason and rationality , kind that needs in every society INCLUDING IN GUJARAT.

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ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 6:40 am

shan and mirza u both are ignorant.islam is for humanity.partition wa handiwork of english speaking
crooks of muslim and hindu communities.they were the main benefiary of partition.indian masses wer victims of this cruel , brutal and inhuman act.it is not only muslim clergy but hindu clergy too was opposed to partition.english speaking micro-minority of this country is resposible for all evils of this.
all thieves and liars are coming from this anti-national community.whatever may be weakness of
mullah or pundits,they are still thousand time better than these crooks.

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Gautam Gulati Reply:
December 13th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

You have analyiesd it perfectly. I wish other muslims understand this and live their life
like a normal person.

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Daisy boy Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 1:34 am

Very true – because of the Mullahs stronghold on society, in cohorts with exploitative politicians, we have self-styled Shahi (feudal) Imams still calling the shots; its another matter that only the pigeons of their Masjid are lending a non-ear to them nowadays. Classic case is that of the MIM in Hyderabad, who for their 5 MLA seats, have politically compromised with Congress/TDP at the cost of Muslim representation in the AP Assembly. And the ruling party of the day turns a blind eye to all the criminal activities that the MIM carries on within the old city of Hyderabad. Resultantly, millions of Muslims in AP do not have any voice in the Assembly or any institution worth its name. In the 39 member-cabinet of Kiran Kumar Reddy, there’s only one Muslim minister! That goes to prove the criminal nexus between Congress and MIM which allows for such a sad situation to prevail.

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

@Daisy Boy, MIM , is is the same party whose head is that bearded but totally english medium school educated OWAISI , that guy above all is a supreme hypocrite , though he may be through and through nationalist unlike mohtarma with DIOR shades from kashmir , and sajjad lone, that son of erstwhile congressi minister .

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Daisy Boy Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

Leave alone Oxford law graduate Asad Owaisi, MP of the MIM; Indian Muslims 100% are nationalists. It is those who are their enemies who try to tarnish their image.
The point is: this Owaisi family have compromised with and bartered away the democratic rights of millions of AP muslim for the sake of their stranglehold over the old city of Hyderabad and 5 MLA seats. Those millions are not represented in the Assembly, thereby making them voiceless and without any stake in the democratic process of the state. They are getting ghettoized and totally disinterested in the political process of our country. This must be stopped, and that can be done by Congress of TDP who occupy power in Hyderabad; and these parties are least bothered about the issue, as it suits them perfectly. That is the problem – the commitment of the Congress and TDP towards secularism in AP is a big problem.

shan Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

@Daisy boy, Owaisi has done which each and every so called leaders of the indian quom have done. hundreed percent kosher western english education for the leaders ,MADRASSAH for the masses, AND THIS INCLUDES THE HT BLOGGER ZIA HUQ.

farid Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 8:08 am

Yes—-these MADRASHAS produced MULLAHS [soldiers ] of right reactionary forces–who opposed progressive thoughts and ideas–

BANGLADESH’S national poet KAJI NAZRUL ISLAM WROTE ————————————

world is marching forward—MULLAHS are busy with HADITH // KORAN — TO FIND OUT THE RULES OF TALAK [DIVORCE]———-

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

@Farid it is not only mullahs , looks like the cretins from west of bongaon border have been able to transmit the oposanskriti (debased culture) bandwagon to the shores of padma. here is a cut and paste
Post SRK’s visit, a Bangladesh-based newspaper, the Weekly Blitz, has called the star ‘the king of vulgarity’. And there’s a list of reasons why he’s been given the ‘title’.

The paper alleges that Shah Rukh smoked in public, with the TV cameras on him, showing that he didn’t really care about what people in the country thought about him.

The Weekly Blitz also brought up that SRK was apparently allowed to use the VVIP terminal at the Dhaka airport. The paper wondered why he didn’t use the VIP terminal, and pointed out that he didn’t have privileges to use the VVIP terminal in India or any other countries he travelled to.

Shah Rukh’s use of Bengali slang also got him on the wrong side of the paper. The paper said that it shoowed SRK’s lack of respect for the country that was paying him a huge amount of money for the show. And the paper wasn’t too happy with SRK using English and Hindi either, writing that he was trying to impose the language on proud Bangladeshis.

Finally, the paper accused Shah Rukh’s troupe members at the show (including Russian dancers) of performing illicit activities with locals

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ram autar Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

mr shan,

because of hindi films ,every young boy of dhakha can speak hindi.with great proud.like u speak english.i stayed in for few months.i like the place and people very much.only regret i already have
4,hence cannot be more.

farid Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 3:30 am

@shan,

In this age of open sky every one is influenced by the others—–but influence of CLOWNS and actors hardly visible even within their life span.The said actor is popular–but –he cant have a place in the BANGLADESH CULTURAL HISTORY.

So long there will be a BOISHAK in Bangla calender [ IF YOU HAVE TIME VISIT BANGLADESH ON 1ST BOISHAK // 21ST,FEB ] and FEBRUARY in English calender—so long RABINDRA//NAZRUL//LALON//HASSON-WILL REMAIN——BEGALI CULTURE WILL FLOURISH———IT CAN BE FELT HERE IN USA TOO.
BANGLA CULTURE IS DYNAMIC–ONLY A STATIC ONE PERISHES——-

This is what you will see in yesterday’s and today’s papers:

- A bomb targeted at an school bus (yes, school bus) in Peshwar by Muslim fundos narrowly misses, hurting the driver nd few students
- A Muslim explodes a bomb in Sweden (yes Sweden, the land of peace) killing two
- Zaerkowsky blames Pakistan for feeding and promotoing terrorism
- Angela Markel blames Pakistan Govt/ISI/Mulla nexus for using terrorism as an instrument for politics
-Suicide bomber explodes in Pakistan killing 18

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

@Binoy Hegde, a few more information has come to light about that suicide bomber in Copenhagen. He is a IRAQI , who immigrated to SWEDEN in 1999(long before 9/11, or american invasion and occupation of iraq.Then came to UK to study (must be for the language, becauseIraq is also anglophone) physiotheraphy. Married a fellow middleeastern, settled down in LUTON (incubator of global jehad , all the london bombers assembled here for dry run before the blasts, area full of pakistanis and bangladeshis), had a house two young kids , the third one one year old. INCREDIBLY HE HAS BEEN SEEKING A SECOND WIFE (APPARENTLY WITH THE CONSENT OF FIRST WIFE) THROUGH MUSLIM MATRIMONIAL SITES. Muddled is the word that first comes to mind.

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ram autar Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

sweden was asking for this.this will be repeated again and again till swedish army show their as… to world and run away.we take 2nd wife.u people have made triputi as biggest brothel of world.

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Rajeev Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 1:45 am

Vinod Sharma,
You have duty to report this terrorist RAM AUTAR to authorities. He has been consisitently justifying bomb blasts against India and the west.
You have his e-mail..report him.

Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

i could have rationalized if he bomb UK when he was studying there, for UK was a strong partner with US in the attack on iraq… but why sweden?? (because he could?)

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

@Binoy Hegde, sweden because , his family is settled in uk , also swedish cartoonist lars something drew a cartoon of the prophet.

A heartwarming story from the heartland.. cutting across the religious divide, women are taking a stand against male domination and winning..
“Dial D for Denim”
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268585

Most religious bigotry claims women as their first victims; it is amazing how much guts these women have in little towns of UP to stand up to antediluvian social mores. More power to them.

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Gopi Thomas Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Great..

Isnt Nitish victory a great part due to women across all religious spectrum voting for him/development/a better life for their children?

Women hold the key…It is a pity Laloos and Muslim clerics prevailed against the Womens reservation bill..

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ram autar Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

gopi 90%of mail muslims also voted for nitish.evrybody wants development.

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Ashish Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

Gopi,
One day Laloo will get his just comeuppance; perhaps at the hands of his daughter/ grand-daughter ..

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Vinay Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

@Ashish,

Luckily these protesting girls are in India. A news from Sudan
http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=552103&vId=2017134
Footage is quite disturbing.

Ashish Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 12:42 am

@Vinay,
That’s just the point; see, this is India- at least on paper, the right laws exist. It is for us to take the laws seriously.

shan Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 2:35 am

@Vinay, Unluckily , the medeival rites and rituals are still healthy and kicking well in our mera bharat mahan , here is a newswww.indianexpress.com/…actress…sabarimala/72465

shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

@ashish, just distributing free 15 inch Tv to each and every villager will bring in even bigger change as the world will open up, as it has already happened with HINDU girls in villages according to research by an american think tank. As they say if you liberate men you free a group , if you free women folk , you liberate a society.

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ram autar Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

just distributing free 15 inch Tv to each and every villager will bring in even bigger

in tv they will see ,CHALTI GHADEE MEIN RAPE THANEDAR DEKHTA RAHA ,HAWALDAR BHAG GAYA/.DAILY NEWS.

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

@pakistani autar, they will seee that and will be careful , unlike in pakistan where it will not be shown and she will be raped , but according to hadith her witness will along with another female witness will count as same as that of a imbecile man. wakey wakey

During the Nehru days Brahminic rulers had their bogus pro-Soviet policy because the sham socialism helped the rulers to set up massive public sector units, recruit their jatwalas to all top posts and milk the socialist cow for 30 years. Wonderful. Subsequent PMs gradually started becoming closer to the West. But it was P.V. Narasimha Rao, the notorious Telugu Brahmin who tightly embraced his fellow Jewish state of Israel and collaborated in the demolition of Babri Masjid to declare India as a Hindu Rashtra.

Brahminism has no permanent friend. It has only permanent interests. During the World War-II they hugged Hitler ( “Brahminsts supported Hitler”). There was no stopping. America became the motherland of the Bhoodevatas. The “Khatri Sick PM”, the World Bank export, is the principal villain who made India turn into the tail of USA.

As this is written India is behaving as the enemy of China at a time when the world’s sole super power, USA, is afraid of it. China for all outward purposes may use some nice words but our information is Beijing fully knows the Brahminists hate China. The proof is Brahminists have not so far started going to China on a holiday.

Keeping the hated Dalai Lama as its honoured guest and encouraging the beef-eating Tibetan toughs to attack Chinese embassy is a clear sign of Brahminist hatred of China

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Raju Kurien Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

Mr Autar

Will you please stick with the subject, and not do your permanent, usul rant about szionism and Brakimnism and blaming everybody else for your problems. Why dont you accept they are like that, pull yourself and your fellow Muslims up … many people and countries have done that, why not you and Muslims..

And let us discuss the specific items brought by bloggers. It is a request; I hope you will honour that.

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Ashish Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

@Raju Kurien,
To turn a popular saying on its head:
with enemies like Ram Autar, one does not miss friends!

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shan Reply:
December 14th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

To reiterate a popular bengali adage It is better to have an inteeligent foe than a stupid friend , which applies to ram stupid autar.

DEAR SHAN BHAI,AND BROTHER HEGDE,The Hindu, India’s principal Brahminical daily from Madras, called the “Mount Road Maha Vishnu”, published a picture of a notorious Tamil Brahmin, who has made millions and boosted by his tribe, which controls the entire Indian toilet papers.

The picture published in its issue of Oct.27, 2010 shows “Sri Sri” Ravishankar, the latest craze of the leisured class, opening his “Art of Deceiving” centre in revolutionary Beijing on Oct.25, 2010.

Humbug of yoga: What Ravishankar is made famous for is nothing but the good old Brahminical gimmick called yoga which is essentially a deep-breathing technique — but in a closed room.

Some years back, the swami, who controls a multi-million dollar empire in Bangalore and employs hundreds of his jatwalas, sent a Dalit IT engineer to our office to invite US to one of his “intercourse”. we told the Dalit brother that hwe would be too glad to come if the swami said that if he was doing anything more than the centuries-old deep-breathing technique, advertised as yoga.

The one who brought the invitation never came back.

Thousands of such swamis are deceiving the rich upper castes who are too willing to be deceived. But the “Art of Deceiving”, much less the yoga, has not so far succeeded in deceiving the Dalits or Muslims.

The latest is the Hindu announcement that the “Art of Deceiving” has reached the capital of revolutionary China. We don’t know how far this report and the picture are to be believed. Because this swami is known for many such false claims which their jatwala media are too willing to advertise.

Our question is how China allowed such counter-revolutionaries to enter Beijing? Both the Jews and the “Jews of India” have declared China as their enemy. To this day none of them could infiltrate into China. Are the Jews and the “Jews of India” trying to subvert the revolutionary China by using their “art of deceiving”?

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 12:06 am

Ram, please do not drag dalits into your nonsense.. They are improving.. You Muslims have decided to stay backward..Ur choice..

Get some yoga like Chinese and Europeans and US.. few minutes of concentartio will improve your intelligence so you can compete with Jews, Brahmins, Americans, chinese and all your enemies.. Otherise you will be a lost tribe

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ram autar Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 1:10 am

i dont know abt jews or americans ,brhmns are nakalcjis,frauds and liars.

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they will seee that and will be careful , unlike in pakistan where it will not be shown and she will be raped , but according to hadith her witness will along with another female witness will count as same as that of a imbecile man. wakey wakey

shan it is correct and i agree women is always under pressure,can speak lie.like now kavita karkare
who earlier refused 1 crore help from modi was denying all his comments,to save the life of her son.

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Zia,
You have duty to report this terrorist RAM AUTAR to authorities. He has been consisitently justifying bomb blasts against India and the west (see his comments on attack in Sweden).
You have his e-mail..report him.

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ram autar Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 1:51 am

sweden there fire crackers.no bomb.

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Sam Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

“”Zia,
You have duty to report this terrorist RAM AUTAR to authorities. “”

I thought a Muslim can never betray another Muslim, as per Koran..

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Rajeev Reply:
December 15th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

Sam,
This is serious. Ram Autar has been posting propaganda and garbage against India, West, Hindus etc..which is OK by me but now he is openly supporting terror acts.
He should be reported by HT to authorities. He is security risk for India and the country he resides in.

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ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 1:23 am

rajeev,since u wrote that jinnah kidnapped his parsi wife.hame mallom ho gaya tum bilkul idiot ho
.i wrote that if i will kill ur brother u will kill my brother.natural.maulana says even somebody killl ur brother,u shpild remain calm.this is aginst human nature.

best way americans and his allies should accept defeat and leave afghanistan and iraq as quickly as possible.save american life and money.

i exposed ur frauds does not mean i am security risk.i am very peaceful man.u also have written lot of shit and lies abt my religion.I WAS FED UP THEN ONLY I AWNSERED.JINKE GHAR SHEESHE KE HOTEIN HAIN DOOSRON PAR PATTHAR NAHIN PHEKTE.

why so much love for sweden.sweden is not part of india.scavandian countries are most rascist
countries of europe.
u shld support us we are feeding half india.

ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 6:12 am

The Stockholm “terror attacker” Saturday more properly should be called the ‘firecracker-bomber’. As can be seen in the videos, there was no bomb damage to the cars, except burning. Also the nearby glass windows didn’t break. The ‘firecracker-man’ died,due to a stomach injury, and still showed signs of life when a passerby came to help him.

In the film linked on the front page of this newspaper, you can hear how minor the explosion was, so minor that people continue to walk towards the burning car. Also at the end of the film you see a billboard man (for a restaurant), who is hiding his face very effectively. Looks rather suspicious as we have had cold weather now for about a month and people have got used to the cold. Also this guy might fit in together with, what looks like an other billboard directly at the side of the dead ‘terrorist’. This board seems also to have some damage. Did the suicide bomber have this board on him and if so, who had hired him?

In the pictures of the ‘bomber’ there is also a mobil-phone with some wires attached, supposedly used to ignite the ‘bombs’. But why use such a sophisticated device when an ordinary battery and switch could do the job? Was this, like in Iraq bombings, used to let the real perpetrators set of the’bomb/bombs’? (There was a few more, very small ‘bombs’ around the ‘firecracker-bomber’, that didn’t explode. Is it possible that his collaborators betrayed him?)

It’s already a scandal here. As on 9/11, a person got a warning from a friend in the military that something was to happen in the actual street and day. (I thought they had a little better control of our big media?)

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ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 11:51 am

A Swedish Armed Forces (Försvarsmakten) employee warned an acquaintance to stay clear of an area in central Stockholm on Saturday where, several hours later, two explosions went off in what is being called a terrorist attack. “If you can, avoid Drottninggatan today. A lot can happen there…just so you know,” the message said, according to the TT news agency.”
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/defense-employee-warned-about-attacks-hours-before-the-bombing-1.1226051
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article8268714.ab

There are some more questionable factors. One is the facial expression of the man from our civil security service (SÄPO), at the beginning of the press conference. He seems very amused when a police chief starts of talking. Why? (second guy from left).
http://svtplay.se/v/2266160

This might very well have been a staged set-up, similar to the film in the article “The Political Persecution of a 7/7 Truther”.

Here are some more links to Swedish media. You might use Google for translations).
http://www.dn.se/ (Biggest morning paper)
http://www.expressen.se/ (the other large evening paper besides Aftonbladet above).

Here some TV-stations
http://svt.se/ (formely state monopoly)
http://www.tv4.se/ (first private TV-station located in Sweden)

You can also find videos on YouTube by searching [Stockholm suicide bomber].

Events like this provide the authorities with an excuse to step up their persecution of the general population in Sweden, as in the UK and America.

Gautam Gulati Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

Ram Autar,

“u also have written lot of shit and lies abt my religion.I WAS FED UP THEN ONLY I AWNSERED” Now since you have finaly agreed that you are a muslim HAVE SOME
COURAGE AND GIVE YOUR REAL NAME. But I know you wont as you are a coward
as other muslims are.

view of an european,jounralist who visited site,
Stockholm “Terror Attack” Seems Contrived
December 14, 2010

“Two explosions in Sweden’s capital tore at the fabric of this tolerant and open nation — a society that hadn’t seen a terrorist attack in more than three decades. For the first time Sweden faces the prospect of domestic terrorism.”
–Typical media coverage ratchets up the fear in Sweden inviting more “security” measures.

By Krister
of our Stockholm Bureau
(for henrymakow.com)

The Stockholm “terror attacker” Saturday more properly should be called the ‘firecracker-bomber’. As can be seen in the videos, there was no bomb damage to the cars, except burning. Also the nearby glass windows didn’t break. The ‘firecracker-man’ died,due to a stomach injury, and still showed signs of life when a passerby came to help him.

In the film linked on the front page of this newspaper, you can hear how minor the explosion was, so minor that people continue to walk towards the burning car. Also at the end of the film you see a billboard man (for a restaurant), who is hiding his face very effectively. Looks rather suspicious as we have had cold weather now for about a month and people have got used to the cold. Also this guy might fit in together with, what looks like an other billboard directly at the side of the dead ‘terrorist’. This board seems also to have some damage. Did the suicide bomber have this board on him and if so, who had hired him?

In the pictures of the ‘bomber’ there is also a mobil-phone with some wires attached, supposedly used to ignite the ‘bombs’. But why use such a sophisticated device when an ordinary battery and switch could do the job? Was this, like in Iraq bombings, used to let the real perpetrators set of the’bomb/bombs’? (There was a few more, very small ‘bombs’ around the ‘firecracker-bomber’, that didn’t explode. Is it possible that his collaborators betrayed him?)

It’s already a scandal here. As on 9/11, a person got a warning from a friend in the military that something was to happen in the actual street and day. (I thought they had a little better control of our big media?)

“A Swedish Armed Forces (Försvarsmakten) employee warned an acquaintance to stay clear of an area in central Stockholm on Saturday where, several hours later, two explosions went off in what is being called a terrorist attack. “If you can, avoid Drottninggatan today. A lot can happen there…just so you know,” the message said, according to the TT news agency.”
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/defense-employee-warned-about-attacks-hours-before-the-bombing-1.1226051
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article8268714.ab

There are some more questionable factors. One is the facial expression of the man from our civil security service (SÄPO), at the beginning of the press conference. He seems very amused when a police chief starts of talking. Why? (second guy from left).
http://svtplay.se/v/2266160

This might very well have been a staged set-up, similar to the film in the article “The Political Persecution of a 7/7 Truther”.

Here are some more links to Swedish media. You might use Google for translations).
http://www.dn.se/ (Biggest morning paper)
http://www.expressen.se/ (the other large evening paper besides Aftonbladet above).

Here some TV-stations
http://svt.se/ (formely state monopoly)
http://www.tv4.se/ (first private TV-station located in Sweden)

You can also find videos on YouTube by searching [Stockholm suicide bomber].

Events like this provide the authorities with an excuse to step up their persecution of the general population in Sweden, as in the UK and America.

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@Bloggers etal, a succession of depressing tales. last night watched a documentary on BBC about the current situation of flood in pakistan. To call it heartwrenching would be an understatement. The waters haven’t fully receded , the poverty is all pervading , so is illiteracy , and healthcare. This makes your blood boil , those buffons in smart cut suits WHOSE ONLY MAQSAD IS ANTI INDIA RHETORIC, and the VILE ARMY, even viler isi, yet nothing is going to happen. Then came the news of a flotilla capsised after hitting the shores of christmas island in australia. many died , THEY WERE IRAQI AND IRANIAN REFUGEES. You can imagine how awful must have been the situation in their country that they took this suicidal journey. AND YES USA , MORE PARTICULARLY BUSH AND HIS POODLE BLAIR HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. What the moronic islamist dont appreciate IT IS THE AMERICANS WHO ARE UNMASKING THIS CHARADE. Just watch oliver stone’s “W”. Though I wholeheartedly support USA and nato involvement in AFGANISTAN.But if the book Obamas Wars is anything to go by , then there is plenty to worry about the outcome.Next i watched Milos Foreman’s GOYA’S GHOST. this should be dubbed in arabic, persian, urdu and poshto. It is what my fellow blogger Syed and L mirza been saying all along. This is what happens when clergy rule like in times of spanish inquisition. A girl has been brought to the court as she preferred chicken to pork , the deduction is it shows jewish sympathy , though she is christian through and through. ANY ECHOES WITH THE NEWS FROM PAKISTAN WHERE A MAN HAS BEEN CHARGED UNDER BLASPHEMY LAWS FOR THROWING THE CARD BEARING THE NAME OF A PERSON CALLED MOHAMMAD.

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ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 6:10 am

IT IS THE AMERICANS WHO ARE UNMASKING THIS CHARADE

shan what a stupid analysis.why u are blaming clergy.rulers of pakistan are choosen by americans not by clergy.ithat is why ,they have most corrupt rulers in the world.ran is ruled by clergy situation there is far far better.in field of science and technology they are much ahead of india.there are 60%girls in all there educational institutions.papers`written by them are as good as american.

hindu clergy is ruling india and our country has become intellectual. desert.dirty and ugly bhagwans can be
seen on the table of science proffessors.i dont know why it is only hindu bhagwans who are loaded with dreaded weapons.

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Butcher of Bengal” as darling of Bhadralok

Jyoti Basu was the longest serving Chief Minister of any state in India (DV Feb.16, 2010, p.9). As head of the ruling Left Front he ruled W.Bengal for 23 years from 1977 to 2000. He never dreamt to become the CM. For the first five years of his tenure the communists shouted from roof top that Indira Gandhi would dismiss his govt. which, however, never happened.

He will be best known as a man of status quo. He never tried to push through any of the policies which the powerful manuwadis and upper caste bureaucrats resisted.

Though land reform started soon after the Left came to power, it had to be abandoned when the marxists realised that their supporters in the countryside were upper caste landowners. This rural educated section (teachers) who have to do party work more but not bother much about teaching. 32 years ago primary school teacher’s monthly pay was Rs. 200 month. Now over Rs. 5,000.

Giving the havenots very little and yet controlling the vast rural area with the help of the upper castes has been the modus operandi of the manuwadi marxists.

Muslim support: Pass-fail system was abolished in Bengal. Children are promoted to the higher class without exam. The idea behind this is to keep the children unlettered. 40% children of class III and IV cannot read and write Bengali. The percentage is higher for SC/ST/OBC and Muslims. After he took over, industrial units one by one closed. Howrah dt., which had maximum number of factories is today barren.

He was more interested to remain as CM than do something concrete to save his state. Most important quality of this marxist was to maintain the status quo. Muslims supported him because no state-sponsored anti-Muslim riots took place during the last 32 years unlike the anti-Muslim riot (1964) under the very nose of the then Congress Chief Minister P.C. Sen when 10 lakh Muslims emigrated to East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). (abulqaseem2008@yahoo.com)

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farid Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 11:16 am

—JYOTI BASU was a great man//leader for many BENGALI SPEAKING person–he was a CM of a small INDIAN state–he had the chance to be PM of India –not allowed to avail——-
He could not do —so many things — due to the limitations of a CM–in INDIA–.He could not forget the dissolution of FIRST communist government in KERALA.
WITH ALL HIS MERITS AND DEMERITS—HE IS HONORED BY A GREAT MAJORITY OF
BENGALI SPEAKING PEOPLE.

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ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 11:48 am

mr farid ,it is not question of merit or demrit.cpm came to power because of muslim votes and remained in power because of muslim votes.but they did nothing for muslims.muslims cannot get place to live.they change their name to get accomodation.keep their shops in the name of hindu deities to sell their products.even at mental level hatred for muslims was increased.in ministries also they had no important portfolio.calcutta became stinking and decaying city.

only achievement was the stoppage of anti-muslim mascares,which continued till the days of ajoy mukerjee.muslims have booted out cpm in favour of mamta(ma kali).let us hope for better.

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Gautam Gulati Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

Ram Autar,

So you admit that politicians since many many years have been fooling you all muslims
for you votes only . Still you keep on supporting congress party knowingly that they
are making of fool out of you. Just simply admit that you all are idiots.,

ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

gautam gulati,

muslims have deserted congress long ago.they lost in cow belt because of muslim desertion.they lost bengal because of muslims.nitish had landslide in bihar ,because of muslims.they are afraid of bjp because of their jingoism,which brings them high cast vote.in practice bajpai was best.he did lot to uplift muslims.19%of votes goes to bjp.muslim support only those who help them to solve economic problems,as they are creator of wealth.

farid Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 3:09 am

@ ram autar,

Dear brother,
– going through your writings-I can understand you are really a knowledgeable person–some times I agree with your views and sometime I differ.But I have all the respect for you and all who write inhere.

One person or a PARTY can not do all–what they promises–it should be judged by their sincerity and intention [ NIAT ? ]–JOTY BASU”S intention to do good for society was above doubt to me—he did not look after people on the basis of religion or color.
HE IS RESPECTED BY ———-PEOPLE.
I have little idea about MUSLIM SOCIETY of WEST BENGAL —But before blaming the opponents,one should acquire strength [ education ] and compete–if any foul play-then complains are justified.
Muslims [with few exception] all over the world kept half [women ] of their work force idle,uneducated–how can we fight with one hand ?In Bangladesh– government trying to uplift womenfolks interest but they are facing stiff oppositon from the so called ISLAMI UMMAH LEADERS.Position in W,BENGAL may be same–so before blaming opponent-we should liberate-us-from the clutches of evil reactionary forces of dark–
Majority of Muslims community supported LEFT IN W.BENGAL because they feel secure with them-now you say they are siding with MAMATA DEBI.

–But it may endanger their interest–
-MAMATA a lady with vacillating //volatile character–having heterogeneous elements under her umbrella– may not control the situation after[if]getting power.—

COMMUNAL TENSIONS MAY RESURFACE—THEN

—LEFT MAY BE AN SPECTATOR OUT OF ANGER//DISGUST.
—- SO MUSLIMS SHOULD TAKE UTMOST CARE IN EXERCISING THEIR
RIGHTS—–DEGANGA [ GRAVEYARD ] EPISODE IS AN ALARMING SIGN.

NOT BEING AN INDIAN.–I THINK I SHOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN THE LAST PARA.
Thanks to———- you—— all ——- and HT ——————-

Gopi Thomas Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

Farid

There was a ground swell movement “vimochan Samara” (liberation struggle) organized by religious leaders, private educational institutions, lawyers etc against the communist government of EMS Namboodiripad in Kerala. Ultimately it became a major law and order isue that Nehru government had to dismiss the state govt and institute presidential rule.

Communists have won elections on and off in Kerala including the present Achuthanandan Government.

This may be the last communist govt Kerala may witness. People are fed up with them on many grounds. However, one that created big problem is their support in creation of extremist Msulim parties in Kerala. In an effort to wean some Muslims away from the moderate Msulim League (that always was in congress coalition), they supported extremism which now is out of control. They were indirectly responsble for the creation of extremist, fundamentalistic Muslim parties sucha s PFI (the professor chopper), SDPI, PDP (Abdus Madani and Soofiya Madani). Keralas historical religious and social harmony has been upset by the extremist acts of these groups, originally nurtured by Marxists.

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shan Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

@Gopi Thomas., In case of west bengal it is the EXTREMIST LABOUR UNION called CITU , and whole scale INDUSTRIAL VANDALISM, only people profitted from this idiotic rule is the college lecturers , whose pension pot is a tidy one and the clerks in govt offices.

Gopi Thomas Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

Shan

You are right. Kerala also has rowdy labour unions and labour rules (one reason why no company moves there!) All keralites who are “anti capitalists” migrate to the gulf countries and work for “slave owning capitalists” there…such is the irony!

It is discussed whether Kerala’s social progress is the result of the communist rule or the ingrained systems – womens property rights, christian educational institutions, benevolent (school building, hospitaaal building etc) kings instead of the palace building variety, a historical middle class etc… Of course, communists have been taking credit

ram autar Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

cpim in kerala is high caste party.who are shifting their loyality congress and bjp.ems was brhmn first brhmn second and brhmn 3rd.he was not communist.there is no extremist muslim league there.rss with support of high caste has become very powerfull and they are planning blood bath in keral.
high caste christins have joined hand with them.

Gopi Thomas Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

Autar-

There is no BJP/RSS in the state in terms of electoral power. No single MLA, no single Muniicpal chairmanship, and for that matter I think no single PAnchayat presidency.

Unfortunately, whether you like it or not, it is Muslims that create havoc here now… they are killing other Muslims as well as getting into many terrorist activities –as the recent wikileaks have documented.. ISI sending agents to train Kerala Muslims….Several cases are pending; the recent “hand chopping” case has unearthed real bad stuff for the country, including treason. Muslims in Kerala are now viewed with suspicion, because of a few exrtremist Musl;ms..

You always seem to be in a “denial” and “blame” mode.. For any Musoim issue , u seem to have a blame on somebody else. Even if it is true, is there something Miusloims can do to get out of their situation worldwide?

Rajeev Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 12:40 am

Gopi,
This Rat Autar supports terrorist attacks on India and west but he is preferred guest of Zia.
We should not be engaging this terrorist in any discussion.

farid Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 3:51 am

———–@ Gopi Thomas,

People of KERALA voted to power—COMMUNIST.
Religious leaders and others agitated against government of the—–COMMUNIST.
Law was made— dismissal of elected government , headed by the—-COMMUNIST.
———————-PATHETIC—————AND— VERY— SAD—– EPISODE—— —
———IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER-
—————–IF PRES.RULE IMPOSED WITH -
———–CENTRAL PARLIAMENT’S— APPROVAL.

Christmas came in extravagant fashion to the Muslim desert emirate of Abu Dhabi as a glitzy hotel…
chrismas tree worth 11 million dollars installed in muslim emirates.see contrast between fascist rascist evangelist and tolerant muslims.

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what a contrast from other cultures / religions ——a person like rahman who supposed made some anti terror comments —-however specious , qualified , —is news / big news . AS if such a person is an odditity in a otherwise islamic society which swears by terrorism
In other cultures , religion ,a person who talks terror is a odditity ——
this speaks volumes for the different approach of islam / other religions which oddity i hope zia realises —-

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 16th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

Precisely!

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gautam gulati,

“u also have written lot of shit and lies abt my religion.I WAS FED UP THEN ONLY I AWNSERED” Now since you have finaly agreed that you are a muslim HAVE SOME
COURAGE AND GIVE YOUR REAL NAME. But I know you wont as you are a coward
as other muslims are.

naam se kya hota hai.hanuman hindu hai par naam musalmanon walla hai.jaise rahman,suleiman.

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To all my pakistanis especially Rat Autar and pro-pakistanis
Happy surrender day..Dec 16th

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 2:44 am

mithai kahan hai.

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Rat Autar,
Happy Surrender day…
http://insurgencyresearchgroup.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/images-from-the-1971-bangladesh-liberation-war/

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 2:43 am

mithai kahan hai,pundit jee.

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To all pakistanis- A very happy surrender day
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=166308

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There is no BJP/RSS in the state in terms of electoral power. No single MLA, no single Muniicpal chairmanship, and for that matter I think no single PAnchayat presidency

hatred and riots took place in congress rule.congress is the a team of brhmn fascist.bjp is their b team.these forces sometime change their facade to become communist to take muslim votes.ems was chamoleon.he cheated muslims,though he ruled kerala with their votes.

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to shan gopi thomas and hegde,
a good peech by someone,shan bhai,main kaise naam loon unka jo dil mein rahte hain hardam,

For your information the anti-Mandal war and violence during the V.P. Singh Govt. was planned and executed by the Brahminical students in JNU. Some Dalit students were staying with us fearing threat to their lives. The Brahminical students found out our address in Vasant Vihar, Delhi, broke open our flat, ransacked the whole thing and threw leaflets condemning Mandal Report. When we returned late in the night, our neighbours were all laughing and enjoying the “punishment” given to us.

Dalits suffered for OBCs: Delhi then witnessed unprecedented violence. All Dalit students of JNU had to run away to their villages to save their lives.

The Mandal Commission Report was meant for the OBCs but the people who led the agitation and suffered were the Dalits. There is no change in the behaviour of the upper castes — whether elders or its youth — since then. Among the upper caste women, there may be some exceptions.

But by and large the upper caste Brahminical people, who constitute less than 15% of the country’s population, have not changed. They don’t want to change. Why should they change when they are the rulers?

Their behaviour has been the same ever since they came to our India as beggars — thousands of years ago.

Reddy or Khamma rule : Today they are the rulers. And particularly after the so-called “independence”, they are the owners and rulers. And we are the victims of their rulership.

Our statement may shock you. But unfortunately it is the supreme truth. We have written about it, spoken about it hundreds of times. None has challenged it so far.

Take the case of AP. It is either the Reddy rule or the Khamma rule. It is the case in all the states of India.

As the Editor of Dalit Voice, the oldest and the largest circulated journal of the Bahujan Samaj, now 30-years-old, we are in touch with all the states and frequently tour the country. We are in touch with our people of the whole country.

Mayawati rule: This is our third visit to this university (Hyderabad Central University). There is no state in India which is ruled by the Bahujan Samaj.

You may ask: What about UP under Mayawati? Sorry, UP also is under the control of Brahminical people. Only the CM is a Dalit.

Brahmins may be 2 or 2.5% but the other three layers of the Brahminical society, comprising Kshatriya, Vaishya and shudra put together become 15%. And these sections control all the wealth, monopoly of English language, control all the Hindu gods and their wealth. Even our very thinking is under their control.

And more than that, they have the govt. in their hands, judiciary, education system, industry and commerce.

Fear of Bahujans: And on the top of that the powerful media — that can convert the day into night and vice-versa.

This (15%) ruling class is fully aware of the dangers of the voting power of the Bahujans (85%) and the possibility of the over-whelming Bahujans capturing the political power and becoming the rulers.

Thinking sections among the Brahminists do not even get sound sleep in the night.

Fearing such a possibility, this Brahminical ruling class earlier experimented with their favourite philosophy of manuwadi marxism.

In AP, all the top marxist leaders were Khammas or Reddis. Even the Naxalite, Maoist leadership was in the hands of Brahmins, Reddis and Khammas.

In W. Bengal, the three upper castes — Brahmins, Baidyas and Kayasths — have been having an uninterrupted rule — all marxists. In the other “marxist state” of India, namely Kerala, it is again the same upper castes, Brahmins, Nairs who rule.

In the Naxalite or Maoist movement also, it is the same upper caste Brahmins and others who are holding the leadership.

Gaddar’s worry: But those who carry the gun, fight the police and die are our people — the SC/ST/BCs.

Gaddar is the lone Dalit in the maoist movement but he was shot twice and silenced. If he opens his mouth against the upper caste control of the Maoist movement, he will be shot dead. He knows it. The poor man is deeply worried.

His only job is to sing and dance — and entertain the people, gather the crowd and brainwash them about the maoist movement.

Gaddar is an Ambedkarite and our close friend. But he is helpless. Poor man, we pity him.

The Brahminical control of the Maoist movement is total. But those who die in the police bullets are our people.This is a serious problem.

Corporates financing Mao: A powerful section of the upper castes, including big corporate houses are financing and supporting the Maoist movement. How the upper castes (rich) are supporting Maoists? Because they know the Bahujan movement, inspired by the thoughts of Babasaheb Ambedkar, Periyar E.V. Ramaswamy, Mahatma Phule etc., will turn the 85% Bahujans against the 15% upper caste exploiters.

That is why they are financing, advertising and doing everything to promote the Maoists. But at the same time confining them to rural areas.

On one side the Maoist movement has taken control of the entire eastern part of India — covered by dense forests. The Maoists are strictly ordered to confine themselves to rural areas.

Hindu terrorists: On another side the Hindu terrorist organisations like the RSS and the more powerful Abhinav Bharat, fully supported by the zionist Israel, are attacking Muslims, Christians and Sikhs.

The Maoists operate in villages and Hindu terrorists operate in cities.

But the govt. is not taking any action against either the Maoists or the RSS-Abhinav Bharat leadership — because both are controlled by the 15% ruling Brahminists.

Caught in the cross fire of these two Brahminical counter-revolutionary movements, fully supported by India’s Brahminical toilet papers and our super-rich corporate houses, the country’s Bahujans (85%) have become helpless, totally impoverished, completely confused.

Rulers hate Truth: This is the prevailing situation today, though no media will speak out the truth. Because speaking out the truth is not in the interest of the micro-minority upper caste ruling class.

What we have said so far sums up the boiling cauldron to which the ruling class of India has pushed the 85% slaves of India.

Jews support Brahmins: For your information the ruling Brahminical people are receiving all their inspiration, support and the tools to tackle the situation from the Jews who control America and the West.

The entire American system, the sole super power of the world, is controlled by its 2% Jews. Barack Obama is a just a slave in the hands of the Jews.

And here, we are controlled by its 2% “Jews of India”.

Both are blood brothers and well-known for their destructive capacity.

In spite all these advantages the ruling class in India is in a terrible dilemma. All its trump cards have failed.

Hinduism & Gandhism are same: Their “Hindu Dharma” is buried deep under mountains of corruption. To this day they could not build their “Ram temple”. (cheers) Their Karnataka Govt. controlled by the BJP (Brahmana Jati Party) is buying MLAs paying Rs. 50 to 70 crores.

The “Hindu dharma” has become the other word for corruption. Their own party of BJP was defeated in Delhi.

Marxism has failed to attract the poverty-stricken SC/ST/BC and Muslims.

Their gandhism has proved to be nothing but the other side of the Hindu dharma. Both are bogus.

So all the three varieties of experiments which the Brahminists have tried: (1) Hindu Dharma, (2) marxism and (3) gandhism — have failed to attract the Bahujan majority.

That is how the micro minority 15% upper caste rulers are facing such a serious dilemma. Because anything and everything they touch is becoming mud. The rulers are getting extremely worried.

Jews offer magic formula: And at this critical juncture, their blood brother Jews ruling the Western world have come out with a magic solution.

This magic mantra which the Jews tried in America and Europe has achieved considerable success. What is this magic mantra? It is called “money-driven society”.

This is the subject of our talk today.

What we were told by our elders, our saints, savants, seers like Dr. Ambedkar, Mahatma Phule, Guru Ravidas, Periyar E.V. Ramaswamy, Sri Narayana Guru etc. was to adopt a value-driven society — based on the principles of justice, truth, compassion, kindness to animals, birds, nature, respect for women and all other weaker sections.

Worship of the rich: We were told to respect the aged, elders, sick and the deprived sections.

Today, the entire process has been reversed — thrown out. It is replaced by the money-driven society.

Every month the newspapers will publish on its front page a list of the country’s “richest people”.

The Ambanis head the list.

Mukesh Ambani’s palatial house, the tallest in Bombay, is pictured on the front pages.

He is praised, paraded and every management course (MBA) student is told to emulate him. Bill Gates, the world’s richest man, a Jew, is called our model.

We are also told by our father, mother, teacher, neighbour, relative to make money. Because money brings fame, name, respect, authority. Yes. This is true also.

Ambanis have become our model. Narayana Murthy of Bangalore is another model. Every rich man becomes the leader of the society.

Political leaders are ridiculed. The upper castes are made to hate politicians because being a minority they never get elected.

Humanities dept. closed: So much so all university departments teaching “humanities” subjects are attracting no students. Teachers and even professors have lost respect. If an IAS or IPS officer is honest and doesn’t take bribe, even his wife and in-laws will say he is a useless fellow.

If you have a big car, that too foreign-made, you will be called an important man.

You command respect if you live in a posh bungalow.

If you go to the Tirupati temple and offer Rs. 100 crores, that will come on the front page.

Nobody will ask you from where you got the money.

India’s rank in corruption: When money brings you respect— not your educational qualifications, academic achievements or intellectual capacity — you feel frustrated and naturally you will be forced to turn to make money.

Making money is the easiest thing. Because in India our whole socio-economic system itself is corrupt. India ranks very high in corruption.

Our judiciary is top to bottom corrupt. So too the politicians, businessmen, education system. Even our Defence forces.

Media is the worst corrupt. Times of India is the leader in this field.

Our Hindu religious leaders are swimming in corruption.

As a newspaperman for the past about 55 years, I have not found a single field which is not corrupt.

Money corruption leads to intellectual corruption.

I have written a book, India’s Intellectual Desert, (DSA-1999, Rs. 50) in which I have explained this in detail.

Our university libraries are closing down because nobody goes there. Reading habit itself is dead under this money-driven society which has encouraged luxury, eating, drinking, pleasure-seeking and all unethical behaviour. In Bangalore, there is a big demand for night life.

Death of social science: Cinema is promoting such a money-driven culture.

Our education system with its emphasis on “business management” is killing all our values.

There is no demand for subjects like literature, sociology, history, humanities. If such important subjects like humanities are neglected how can we produce policy-makers? In US, UK and Europe humanity subjects are very popular. But the Brahminical India has killed the humanities. Killing humanities means killing the human being itself. (cheers)

The rush is only to such depts. like medicine, management, IT, engineering, corporate law, fashion designing etc.

Only such courses that help you make money.

Harshad Mehta glorified: And making money is the easiest: if you don’t speak the truth and work against justice and universal truth, you can make any amount of money.

And the moment you make money, you command respect and your picture hits the front page of the Times of India.

You can take it from me that nothing will happen to Modi, the Marwari Bania involved in the IPL cricket scandal.

When the notorious Gujarati Bania, Harshad Mehta, caused a crash of 2-3 banks, the Economic Times appointed him as special adviser and published his articles on the front page. (cheers)

Pigs club: All these rogues and rascals, who have made money through illegal means are parading as Rotary Club, Lions Club, Pigs and Donkeys club presidents.

Money-driven society has brought a big boom to Hindu temples. Such a money-driven society is helping the Brahminical temples.

Hinduism promotes corruption: All these neo-rich rascals are running to temples for whom the temple authorities are holding special pujas, giving special blessings of the god and the devotees are paying money to the pujaris in lakhs and crores.

See how the Hindu religion is promoting corruption.

Brahmin temples are growing richer. Corruption is helping the bhoodevatas to grow rich.

Tirupati temple does not know what to do with its enormous funds.

But the country is not growing, the oppressed Bahujans are further squeezed in this mad rush of the money-driven society.

Agriculture devastated: Agriculture is devastated. Nobody is growing food crops. Attention is diverted to cash crops.

Food crisis is becoming a very serious problem. Newspapers and journals sticking to value-driven society are collapsing. Dalit Voice is a victim of this new society.

Universities are re-fashioning themselves.

Kapil Sibal, the Brahmin Union Minister for HRD, is promoting the money-driven society by inviting Western universities to India. That means Indian universities are killed.

In the process, the already rich have grown enormously rich. The poor, meaning the SC/ST/BCs and Muslims have become more poor.

World’s most corrupt country: Nature and ecology are devastated. Women are the worst affected by the onslaughts of this society.

India is already hailed as the world’s most corrupt country.

United Nations has given the 160th place to India. While China ranks No.2

Every section of the society is corrupted in this storm of the money-driven society.

Kalmadi scandal: Already, India has reached the saturation point as you have recently witnessed in the Kalmadi-scandal in the Commonwealth Games.

Nothing will happen to Kalmadi because he is fully protected by the ruling Brahminists.

Except the Opposition political parties, no Brahminist “intellectual” has so far criticised Kalmadi.

Karnataka’s BJP Govt. has crossed all limits of corruption. But no Brahminist intellectual has criticised it.

Stock exchange as temple: All Brahminists are supporters of this money-driven society. The stock exchange is their new temple.

So much so big cities have become bigger and unliveable.

Bombay has become one big slum. Calcutta died 20 years back. Madras became a slum long back. Bangalore is dying fast. Delhi is chaotic.

Only Hyderabad is somewhat untouched because 20% of its population is Muslim.

The country itself is facing very difficult times caught in this chaos created by the money-driven society.

Micro Finance menace: You must have heard of the micro-finance menace created in AP. These sharks led by the Vikram Akulas etc. after finishing the urban poor, are now after the blood of poor women, living in villages.

The govt. itself winked at it. But when their blood-sucking game reached intolerable limits, the govt. and the police had to step in. Many top people will be arrested.

Bangalore’s Narayana Murthy has diverted his money to SKS Micro Finance.

Blood sucking: From this you can make out that blood-sucking is reaching critical stages. Big sharks are out to squeeze us.

Yet our people are not getting angry. This is because of the Brahminical religion which injected the poison of ahimsa into our veins.

Every Hindu god is fully armed: arrow, gadha, chakra, talwar, chakra, etc. (cheers)

Yet they call Hinduism as the world’s only religion of non-violence. Bullshit. (cheers)

On one side our people are deliberately kept poor and hungry. And on the top of that they are given this Hindu injection to remain peaceful. Ahimsa.

If ever by chance they turn violent, the Brahminical rulers have one of the biggest standing armies, over a dozen para-military forces, police etc. to violently deal with us.

Non-violence for us but violence for rulers. (cheers)

But all this will not last long. Anarchy is setting in. Things are collapsing.

Karnataka has proved that undemocratic, if not anti-democratic, Hindu rule will destroy democracy itself in India.

International developments: In the midst of such a gloomy atmosphere, the only silver lining is the grave developments at the international level which will destroy the Brahminical money-driven society.

Both the Jews and the “Jews of India” are nearing the end of their rule.

So we have hope more in the developments outside India.

And some hope in the oppressed Bahujans losing patience and hitting back.

The subject I have dealt with is a very serious one and also very complicated which cannot be compressed within the time-limit given to me. Yet I have done by level best.

[Speech delivered at the Hyderabad

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sam Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 7:37 am

if Muslims and British gave back all the looted wealth of india,

India will be rich and poverty will come down ..

Will they do it ?

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 8:46 am

muslims have not taken a single ruppee out of india.during time of aurangzeb india gdp was 25%of world.india was looted by britishers with the help of brhmns.who also looted a bit.but after partition brhmns broken all the records of roobry.muslims built india created wealth.britishers and brhmns are 2 main looters of india.

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sam Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 1:10 am

Bin Qasim is a looter
Ghori is a looter
Ghazni is a looter.

Babar was looter.
Aurangazeb was looter
Nadir shah is a looter..

looter means someone looting other people’s wealth.
just because they did not take it out of the country does not mean, they did not loot..

farid Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am

@sam

Brother –pl. be logical.
Majority Muslims are BHUMIPUTRA–You call them DALIT –I am one of them.
Those MUSLIMS who followed the —–ARYANS—from central ASIA– also settled in INDIA permanently.
SOMNATH MONDIR WAS LOOTED AND WEALTH WAS TAKEN TO AFGANISTA [?}--one case.

BRITISH came --looted--went back.---with everything------

OUR [ DALIT ] ANCESTORS WERE VERY BADLY TREATED–OUR LEADER–RAVAN AND HIS COUNTRY AND RELIGION–WAS DESTROYED —MERCILESSLY AND ALSO TREACHEROUSLY—EVEN AFTER SO MANY YEARS HE IS PERSONALLY CURSED.— people get pleasure by humiliating RAVAN even now—-

IS THERE ANY BOLD PERSON—WHO CAN SAY –STOP HUMILIATING RAVAN-

–WHAT WAS HIS FAULT?HE DIED DEFENDING HIS PEOPLE,RELIGION AND COUNTRY-
–IS IT HIS FAULT————?
THIS IS NOT JUSTICE—-
I HAVE SEEN THE LOOTING–PLUNDERING AND RAP——G–IN MY COUNTRY——-
I AM FORTUNATE–I FOUGHT AGAINST THE AGGRESSOR–

I FELL THE PAIN OF MY ANCESTORS– [DALITS ]—FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.
———-BECAME EMOTIONAL—SORRY FOR THE OUTBURST.
—— BEG PARDON IF IT HURTS ANY ONE–

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Ashish Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

Hi Farid,
I think your knowledge of Indian/ Hindu mythology is flawed.
Firstly, Ravana was a Brahmin.
So, if you want some bold person to stand up and say that “stop humiliating Ravana”, you are right! He has to be really brave.
Secondly, Rama’s victory over Ravana is ALWAYS portrayed as a victory of good over evil- it is an universal theme, I daresay, that runs through most epics in the world.

ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 11:36 am

Firstly, Ravana was a Brahmin.

I CAN BELIEVE AS RAVANA WAS SX MANIAC.RAVAN PUJA HAS STARTED IN UP.i was happy to see.

shan Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

@Farid, Ashish, Farid , apnar hindu puran niya aonek porashona korety labgo. Ashish , you are spot on , ravan is a bramhin , not only that he is a scholar, shiva upashak , astrologer etc etc. Regarding your comment about good triumphs over evil , this is a consequence of leaving bhagirathi for the filthy jamuna. I suggest both of you TRY to read Meghnad badh Kabya , by michael madhusudhan Dutt. You will need a samsad , bengali to english dictionary by your side. I remember just arrived from St Michaels , kurji danapur , straight forced to sit for the entrance exanm of HINDU SCHOOL in college street. We were asked to translate a passage from Meghnadh badh kabya , I remember the line “Bankim Griba khani hilaye” ., didn’t have a clue what bankim or griba meant , but such a irony that language became my soul so much so the honour board in my school has my name for highest marks in bengali , by a kid from patna.According to Michael RAM is is a conniving coward and spineleess , who is more interested to find out whether sita slept with Ravan , rather than providing her with mental support for all the trauma of confinement that she underwent.

Ashish Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

Karnataka has proved that undemocratic, if not anti-democratic, Hindu rule will destroy democracy itself in India.
And, of course, the example of UP proves….? What?? Go on, we are all ears

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shan Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

@Ashish, in case you find original insurmountable apparently there is a translation.
The poem is rising into splendid popularity. Some say it is better than Milton-but that is all bosh-nothing can be better than Milton; many say it licks Kalidasa; I have no objection to that. I don’t think it impossible to equal Virgil, Kalidasa, and Tasso.” Michael Madhusudan Datta wrote this in a letter to a friend about his verse narrative, The Slaying of Meghanada (1861). The epic, a Bengali version of the Ramayana story in which Ravana, not Rama, is the hero, has become a classic of Indian literature. Datta lived in Bengal at the height of what is frequently called the Bengal Renaissance, a time so labeled for its reinvigoration and reconfiguration of the Hindu past and for the florescence of the literary arts. It was also a period when the Bengali city of Kolkata was a center of world trade-the second city of the British empire-and thus a site of cultural exchange between India and the West. Datta was the perfect embodiment of this time and place. The Slaying of Meghanada is deeply influenced by western epic tradition, and is sprinkled with nods to Homer, Milton, and Dante. Datta’s deft intermingling of western and eastern literary traditions brought about a sea change in South Asian literature, and is generally considered to mark the dividing line between pre-modern and modern Bengali literature. Datta’s masterpiece is now accessible to readers of English in Clinton Seely’s elegant translation, which captures both the sense and the spirit of the original. The poem is supplemented by an extensive introduction, notes, and a glossary.

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

bhoot parete ki kahaniyoon ka doosra nam hinduism.sita slept wit hanuman also.when somebody kidnap a woman,rape is natural.ramanaya started from egypt then travelled with aryans.
ram treated sita in worst possible manner.he did not see his sons for 16yrs.burnt alive a dalit shambhouk who was found reciting holy scripture.after sunset he will drown himself in wine and cuncubine.
when he reached after 14 yrs with the help of langoors and bandars heade by hanuman,he sent hanuman (known womanizer)to see her.remained 21/2 yrs with her.
he never built any road or hospital or city.
story is small and full of shame.but in cowbelt ,isee ko leke ,poori poori raat TUNA TUN TO TUNA TUN.SPOLS THE NIGHT SLEEPS OF THOUSANDS.

shan Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

@farid Mia, A personal request,can you please find out why your family converted to Islam. I am revising my long held beleif that it was due to oppression by the forebearers of ashish(bramhins).
having re read nirad choudhuri again , I am thinking there may be an another reason.according to nirad choudhuri, most of the peasants in bangladesh , are ethnically migrants from THAILAND,and they didn’t have any particular beleif , as the “raw sewage of hell”(bramhins) were TOTALLY INDIFFERENT to these people , the TSUNAMI OF PROSELYTISATION which must have has DHAKA’S NAWAB’S full blessing is probably more plausible reason for this MASS CONVERSION.Your honest answer will be appreciated.

farid Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 4:23 am

–RAVANA WAS A BRAHMIN–SO WHAT?
NEHRU WAS A BRAHMIN TOO–WAS LEADER OF INDIA N MUSLIMS AND LOVED//RESPECTED BY MANY MUSLIMS —ME TOO.
I AGREE –I AM NOT RICH–OF HINDU MYTHOLOGY–
I BELIEVE DALITS WERE NOT ILL TREATED IN HIS KINGDOM–FOR THIS HE WAS OUR LEADER–LIKE NEHERU—

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ram autar Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

shan ask from dead soul of nirad choudhari ,

why shankaracharya of kashi converted recently.

a shudra cannot be behmn but can be muslim.deserves equal treatment.if he goes to hinduism
he will be treated unequally.

ram autar Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 1:21 am

farid bhai except hatred and lies u will not find anything there.high caste are bengalees.they are vedic
hiding among bengalees and swallowing them slowly.
they are master of medicracy.they promote their icons through media ,like hate spewing nirad choudhry or chamoleon jyoti basu.they came from outside and stayed in bengal and america/london is their true motherland.

In today’s NY Times about Germany’s fear about Salafi extremists and the threat they pose to germany..

” the German interior mi nistry ordered simultaneous raids in three states on Tuesday against Salafist networks suspected of seeking the imposition of an ISlamic state. The action signaled growing concern over the radical messages of some Islamic groups.

The raids in Berman, Lower Saxony and North Rhine-Wesphalia , were linked to……waring of a pending Mumbai style attack, the interior ministry said.

The ministry said the raids were directed at two groups” Invitation to Paradise and the Islamic Culture Center. The two groups work together and share the same ideology.

Here is an important dimension — “the raids appeared to represent a departure for the German authorities in treir dealings with radical Muslim groups. Theyw ere conducted under the authority of postwar laws enaxcted with an eye top the NAzis to prevent the overthrow of teh state or Constitution by extremist groups. The ministry’s statement emphasized this shift in approach – for a well-fortified democracy, it is necessary and demanded , without waiting for the jihad to occur in the form of armed struggle, to take action against anti-constitutional organization.s ” .

the statement said the groups were suspected of opposing constitutional order by seeking to “overthrow it in favour of an Islamic theo carcy’. They do have the aim to change Germany and make it Islamic…both have called for the implemntation of Sharia law..”

Indians should be vigilant. The salafis are organizing with Saudi money to kill and maim and spread the Islamic terror..

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 8:49 am

pending Mumbai style attack, the interior ministry

mumbai attack was handiwork of ABHINAV BHARAT,super hindu terrorist.there is no ilamic terror.terror which is facing is from sangh parivar.

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Gopi Thomas Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

@Binoy

Some of the information received from the raids here in Kerala in connection with the hand-chopping of the Christian professor (by Muslim extremists) parallels what German authotities found in Germany.

Just like the authorities there talked about the salafist plan to make Germany a Muslim/Sharia country; the chief minister of Kerala, Achuthanandan, not a Congress/BJP Brahmin, but a backward caste Marxist, stated that the evidence gathered from the raids into the offices of the PFI members (who chopped the professor’s hand) clearly point to making Kerala Islamic Sharia satte and then carving out Keralal from India.

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

making kerala sharia governed state is good.better than communist or democratic state.carving out
is non sense.but these people have no support among muslims.chopping hand was bad but natural.christian school chopped his a**s by firing him,this was too much.next attack should be on his pns.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

Interesting development in Oklahoma- the state voted into the constitution that Oklahoma will never be under “Sharia” law. While it was a right wing ploy, the fact that they did a statewide canvassing and passed this – to protect against a future what if that may never materialize – shows the concern with which people consider this whole Islamic terrorism; how it is falling into the hands of political opportunists etc

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

brhmns are story writers benoy u are no different.

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People of KERALA voted to power—COMMUNIST.
Religious leaders and others agitated against government of the—–COMMUNIST

FARID ,MUSLIM MONEY GAVE POWER TO KERALA .OTHERWISE MALYALEES ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING LIKE HIGH CASATE BENGALEES.

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Sam Reply:

December 14th, 2010 at 5:30 am

Mohamed is false prophet, or islam is a false religion…
he will be hanged

yes.

but muslims have a right to say, all religions before them are false or not true..

muslims are not supposed to speak bad about other religion.mullah says qualities of islam but never say bad about others.that is why in inmuslim countries u will not find any literature against others ,except comparative studies.

if muslim dont respect jesus and moses ,he will not remain muslim.that is why it is muslims who
made christmas tree worth 11 million dollars.dubai has biggest cross of world.we are not evangelist.who hate everybody

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Ashish Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

11M$ on a X’mas tree.. obscene..
Another way to look at it is, what other tree can they put up? Certainly not a “Khajur ka ped”, right? Though, who knows, that that might also come.

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shan Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

11million for christmas tree,250 million buying players and club called MANCHESTER CITY, how many dollars for pakistan flood victims nil , india 25 million dollars. Quom up your a r s e. As one guy said what will happen when oil runs out , KHAJUR KHAYEGA.

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ram autar Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

As one guy said what will happen when oil runs out , KHAJUR KHAYEGA.

uae has given millions of dollrs to pakistan as well.they are bussines man,only one foundation of sheikh khalifa can buy bill gate(jew)4 times.manchester city will fetch them double what they invested.
qatar is spending 200 billion dollars for world cup football.will provide jobs to 1 million.

shan bhai aaj hee ek pathan ne pochcha,YE BALATCAR KYA HOTA HAI.JAB ZTV KHOLO ,pahlee news.chalti gad mein balatcar.

i awnsered ,
it is car ,
usually driven by one

sometime another person enters by force,

then it become becomes balatcar.

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shan Reply:
December 17th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

Ram Autar, Ek hindoostani ne ek pathan ko poocha , yeh bacchabazi kya hai ji.
Pathan ne ek dus sal ke umra ka baccha pakar laya , apna pajama utara , bacchey ka bhi utara , aur dikhaya bacchabazi kya hai. hindustani ne es sharamnak kartoobo sey ulti kiya , fir pathan ke sir pe goli thok di , aur bacchey ko hindustan mey ek anath ashram me le aya , uska mazhab badal kar usko sudh hindu banaya , uska nam RAM AUTAR.

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ram autar Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Hindu India as world’s most violent state
OUR CORRESPONDENT

Bangalore: “Hindu India” is advertised as a land flowing with milk and honey, wedded to peace and non-violence where Budha, Gandhi reigned and made it a model for the whole world to follow.

This is pure propaganda — bullshit. The facts of history are entirely different.

In this so-called “secular democratic” India, pogroms against all the three significant “minority communities” like the Muslims (15%), Christians and Sikhs (2.5% each) are a daily dose.

Why Muslims opted for partition: The very partition of India (1947) took place because the then dominant Muslim community, which had a sizeable population in the undivided India and ruled this country for 800 to 1,000 years, said it could no longer live with the hate-mongering Brahminical Hindu rulers and opted for Pakistan.

During the partition riots Muslims were recklessly slaughtered. The undivided Punjab, which was a predominantly Muslim-majority state, witnessed the worst violence against Muslims (Dr. Sarfraz H. Mirza, Hindu-Muslim Confrontation, 2009, Lahore, photocopy available Rs. 125).

Gujarat genocide: “Independent” India’s first biggest bout of violence against Muslims occurred in a well-planned attack during the Babri Masjid demolition. Thousands died.

The second biggest was the massacre of 2,500 Muslims in what became famous as the “Gujarat Genocide” (2002).

The massacre of over 12,000 Sikhs (men, women and children) was ordered at the instance of a great Hindu Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi, when she sent Army tanks into the Golden Temple, Amritsar in 1982. (V.T. Rajshekar, Turmoil in Punjab, DSA-2010).

The killing of Sant Bhindranwale and his band of dedicated Sikh disciples was well-planned by the Brahminic leadership to break the backbone of Sikhs, and dub them as terrorists so that the domination of brave Sikhs in the Indian army is once for all finished.

The Indian army today is an all-Hindu affair fully, mired in corruption.

Christians (2.5%), the most peace-loving among the three minority communities, got a wonderful taste of the Hindu ahimsa in Orissa.

Only the violence against non-Hindu “minorities” are detailed above. The violence of the Hindu rulers against their own “Hindu” SC/ST/BCs (65%) is a daily affair. But the only difference is this violence is inflicted in a most non-violent way.

And yet our Hindu heroes go on boasting of their non-violence. No. Hindu India is the world’s most violent state.

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Ravi Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 1:48 am

PATHAN KA JAWAB _ ALI SHAN KE NAAM

Sleeping with the Goddess

BY SHELLY NGO WITH SANJAY SOJWAL

Each year in India, thousands of girls are dedicated to a temple goddess in a ceremony that begins a lifetime of prostitution.

Through the whitewashed arches of the Uligamma temple, Durgamma proudly marches toward the banks of India’s Thungabadra river. Today is the girl’s wedding day. The eyes of her relatives, friends, and neighbors are fixed on the 12 year-old bride.

Close to an overhead bridge spanning the Thungabadra, a priest accepts the goat brought by Durgamma’s family. With a quick stroke of a blade, he sacrifices the animal to the temple goddess Uligamma. The goat’s blood drips into the river where hundreds of worshippers are bathing.

Durgamma patiently submits. to her women relatives who apply a sandalwood paste to her body and bathe her in the river. After they dress her in a white sari and blouse, she listens to the high caste priest chant and pray in Sanskrit, the ancient language of Hindu scriptures, which none in the crowd understands. As his prayers conclude, the priest sprinkles a yellowish mixture of turmeric paste and water over her head and she feels the refreshingly cool liquid trickle clown her head and back.

Durgamma walks up to the temple where a priest puts a glittering string of red and white beads strung on saffron colored thread around her neck. No groom, however, comes to meet this bride. Instead Durgamma is wed to the temple goddess, and her life will be spent as a devadasi, a temple prostitute. Today, Uligamma’s spirit, the priests teach, has entered Durgamma’s body; for the rest of her life, when priests and other men sleep with her, it is not Durgamma, but the goddess they are sleeping with. It is the goddess’s desires the men must appease.

“This simple word, ‘devadasi’ says Dr. I.S. Gilada, one of India’s most prominent AIDS activists and an honorary secretary of the Indian Health Organization, “is a label which condemns 5,000 to 10,000 girls every year into a life of sexual servitude (concubinage) and subsequently into prostitution.

Despite India’s government law forbidding the practice of temple prostitution, the centuries old religious tradition continues. To understand the mentality that permits this sexual exploitation, one has only to think of those in Western societies who are enthralled with the idea of sleeping with models, sport heroes or other celebrities. Young devadasís are regarded by some as deities, and then discarded when they grow old.

Although devadasis are not prevalent across the country, most men know where to find them. In the south.central state of Karnataka alone, one of six states in India, there are an estimated 100,000 devadasis. A few are paid to stay close to the temple to sleep with priests or other men their parents have struck an agreement with. Some return to their homes to be auctioned off as mistresses for as long as men will have them. Most of them wind up in the brothels of india’s major cities.

World Vision supports the efforts of people such as Dr. Gilada who are working to eliminate the devadasi system in India. For women already dedicated, World Vision has started two programs in the southern city of Bellary to give devadasis a second chance.

A CENTURIES-OLD CYCLE

After the dedication ceremony, Durgamma’s father, Huligappa, instructed the little girl to go to a small room in the temple where a man would be waiting for her.

“When I told him I was very scared, he scolded me and reminded me that this man had given me silver toe rings, a nose ring, bangles, gold earrings, a sari, and a blouse,” Durgamma says. In order to be the first man to sleep with her, the man paid for these gifts, made donations to the temple priests, and paid for the family’s travel by train from Bellary to the temple in Munnirabad, located 200 miles northwest of Bangalore, the state capital of Karnataka.

After that evening, the man lived with Durgamma in her father’s home for two years before packing his clothes one day and leaving without a word to her. Since then, Durgamma’s father has arranged about 20 paramours for her, relationships lasting from a week to two years.

“Whenever I look at married women my age carrying their children, walking by their husband’s side, I think of myself, my life, and my future, and something deep down in me snaps, and I feel like crying,” says Durgamma, who at 25 is considered old for a devadasi.

References to devadasis, which literally means “god’s servants,” are found in Hindu scriptures dating back 4,000 years. Then, devadasis cleaned the temples, kept the temple bells, and performed ritual dances to appease the gods and goddesses. The earliest devadasis were virgins who pledged to remain celibate, but over the years the state began supporting devadasis, and the girls became mistresses to the kings.

With the onslaught of Muslim Moguls from the north, the Hindu empire declined in the 16th century, and the devadasis lost their royal patronage. No longer virgins, devadasis had few marriage prospects, so they turned to prostitution to earn a living.
For now, Durgamma lives in a village on the outskirts of Bellary in a wood and bamboo, clay plastered hut. Bellary, with a population of 200,000, is the hub for Uligamma worshipers and devadasis. Every respectable father in India is expected to marry off his daughter, but in this area, dedicating one’s daughter to the temple is almost as acceptable.

Had she married, Durgamma would look after her in-Iaws according to India’s customs. But by making Durgamma a devadasi, her father, a farm laborer who earns less than 15 rupees a day, does not have to raise the 20,000 ($667) necessary for a dowry and marriage expenses. Also, he does not have a son to support him in his old age, so he will take his pension from the men who sleep with Durgamma.

There are other reasons why, in northern Karnataka alone, an estimated 3,000 devadasi dedications take place each May. Devadasis’ mothers dedicate their daughters to appease the gods, fearful that they will be stricken with diseases or poverty if they don’t. Sometimes pregnant mothers vow to dedicate their first born daughter to a goddess if she will grant the mother a son or even a safe delivery.

PREYING ON THE UNTOUCHABLES

Despite the fact that most devadasi girls are “untouchables,” from the lowest caste in India, the priests do not hesitate to sleep with the young girls – some have not even reached puberty. The priests prey on the poor, telling parents that dedicating their daughters to the temple will help family members be reincarnated as high caste Brahmins in their next life. And they offer family members of devadasis the right to enter sacred temples normally closed off to the lower castes.

Rich landowners also exploit the poor by paying for a girl’s dedication in exchange for the right to spend the first few nights with her. The money often includes large loans to parents as an incentive to dedicate their daughters.

Temple prostitution is a practice enmeshed in religious traditions, but it’s a “spirituality that has no roots in the idea of human beings created in the image of God,” says Sam Kamaleson, a native of India and vice president for World Vision International. “It’s a spirituality where the Holy Spirit, clarifying a person’s identity so that they can be known as a son or daughter of God, is alien.”

India’s government is attempting to end the practice. But its 1982 law, which imposes a five-year prison sentence and a 5,000-rupee fine for parents of relatives who dedicate a girl to a temple, is difficult to enforce. Remote villagers remain ignorant of laws handed down in city centers hundreds of miles away. And in the major cities, some of the very politicians who make the rules keep devadasi mistresses themselves. Many who know of the law stubbornly cling to old superstitions to justify their decisions.

Temple prostitution is perpetuated by poverty as well. Many devadasis have between five and eight children usually by different men. Often the boys leave their mothers as soon as they are grown. A devadasi’s career is over by the time she is 35 and, too old to attract men, she is faced with the option of begging on the streets or dedicating her daughters as a devadasi.
Bebamma was 13 when her mother, Kenchamma, dedicated her three years ago. “It was a mistake, but what could I do,” Kenchamma says. “I had no male child.

“I feel sorry for my daughter and wonder what her future will be, but I had no money to get her married. Anyway, who would have married a devadasi’s daughter?”

On the night of her dedication and for the following three nights, Bebamma slept with a 40 year-old temple priest “I was scared,” she says, “but they gave me toddy (palm liquor) and I was not aware of what was happening. I didn’t feel anything.”

Bebamma, now 16, wears red bangles and an old, faded gray-colored sari, most likely her only one. Her pierced ears remain bare – the earrings were probably sold to meet some expense. She lives in a thatched roofed hut in Bapuji Nagar, 40 miles from the Uligamma temple. It is said that devadasis have lived in this area for centuries.

One-room stone houses line the dirt road, and open sewage gutters run along each side. An unusually high number of children for such a small area play outside in garbage-littered streets.

Bebamma’s men have come and gone in the past three years, offering only sporadic and inadequate support. To make ends meet she has tried to earn money weaving cotton and carrying cotton bales. A cotton shortage, however ended that source of income. Then she began begging for food to feed herself, her mother, and her 3-year-old daughter, Gangamma, who is malnourished.

Like most devadasi children, Gangamma was delivered at home by a midwife. Despite the high rate of sexually transmitted diseases among these women, few go for any medical treatment Government hospitals are supposed to provide free care, but doctors will often postpone treatment until they receive money. Another reason women hesitate to go to a hospital is that they feel awkward discussing their problems with mostly male doctors, or they simply don’t understand that delaying a hospital visit can result in death.

DOOR TO A NEW LIFE

Across from Bebamma’s hut is a government high school that few bother to attend. Next to the school is a small building. The sign out front advertises: “Sahaya Community Development Project”. Started by World Vision in 1989, the Sahaya project is one of two programs for devadasi women in this region; the other is a Women in Development program, opened in 1993. The one and-a-half-room office for the Sahaya project, which is slightly bigger than some of the devadasis’ homes, is a door to another world for the women of Bapuji Nagar.

The front room is stark with its unwhitewashed waIls, but it is clean, and a nurse sitting behind a. steel table is neatly dressed. In just 10 months on the job, Nurse J. Paramjyothi, 21, has earned the trust of devadasis who feel comfortable telling their health problems to another woman.

“The overall health problems of the devadasis can be expected to be about the same as those of other child prostitutes,” says Dr. Eric Ram, director of International Health for World Vision. “Nearly nine out of 10 girls are dedicated to be devadasis at or before the age of 10. Apart from the physical assault on the body, these girls, and young women also, suffer from psychological trauma and social castigation, which are equally if not more difficult to deal with.”

Next to Nurse Paramjyothi is a cupboard stocked with the most commonly needed drugs, which she dispenses to the steady stream of local women who enter the clinic throughout the morning. In the afternoon, she leaves the clinic to visit women and children in their homes to follow up on special cases.

“Diarrhea, cholera, and typhoid infected wounds are very common among the children,” the nurse says. “Malaria is also common, because stagnant water and blocked sewage gutters are fertile ground for mosquito breeding.”

She conducts meetings for the devadasis, teaching them about cleaning the areas around their homes and where their children play. She explains that drinking polluted water leads to dysentery, typhoid, and cholera. “But the most important thing,” she says, “that I have only recently started teaching them is about AIDS and how to reduce the risk of contracting the disease.”

Few of the devadasis know about AIDS, a scourge spreading rapidly through this country. Dr. C. Johannes van Dam of the World Health Organization in Delhi estimates that there were 1 million to 1.5 million HIV-positive cases in India in mid-1994
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A low partition separates the “clinic” from an area where 15 young women sit cutting cloth, sewing, and weaving plastic-wired baskets. Among them sits Bebamma, who has been in the project’s training course for a year. When she completes the course, she’ll be able to sell her handicrafts and earn up to 20 rupees a day – the same salary most men earn as carpenters, masons, or truck drivers.

So far, the project has given 22 sewing machines to women who have completed the course and now earn a regular source of income by sewing. Through the Sahaya program, World Vision has also provided the women with vending carts and small shops to help eliminate the economic need to sell their bodies.

Seeing to economic and health needs are only part of World Vision work with devadasis; there are spiritual needs to meet as well.

“Memory of the past is a very difficult thing to erase.” says Kamaleson, who also directs World Vision pastors’ conferences around the globe. “With that memory comes shame and guilt – both of them, the gospel says, should not be our property. But God is a covenant God who walks back into our situation to restore dignity, and hence we can live as transformed people.

“World Vision is there for these women, to be the Christian symbol of Jesus walking with them as their restored owner.”

World Vision ministers to devadasi women through the work of the Rev. Sathyam and the Rev. G. Peter of the Assemblies of God church. “When a devadasi is dedicated to a goddess, once in a while the woman’s body is possessed,” says Sathyam, whose sister was possessed. To appease the goddess, Sathyam’s Hindu father killed 100 buffalos, but the spirit refused to leave the girl. One day an evangelist carne to Sathyam’s house to pray for his sister and cast out her demon. This was the event that led him to receive Christ and commit himself to serving God.

God led Sathyam to Bellary, where he has been working with devadasis for 13 years, praying with them and telling them about Christ

Every Sunday he conducts a church service for 300 people – almost half are former devadasis.

THE NEXT GENERATION

A few feet away from the tailoring center, Gangamma is one of 50 scrubbed-faced children sitting on the floor repeating after her teacher, “‘a’ for apple, ‘b’ for ball …” They wear clean clothes and their oiled hair is neatly combed into place. Later the youngest ones sing songs while the older children work on their reading and writing. Three World Vision child care centers in the area provide devadasi children with a nutritious lunch and protein-enriched snacks in the evening.

In the past, if Gangamma got sick, her mother would have attributed it to a curse from the gods. But today, more knowledgeable mothers are shaping a new course for their children. They look to women such as Hanumakka. president of a women’s neighborhood Committee and a strong supporter of World Vision’s work among devadasis. Hanumakka’s mother-in-Iaw is a devadasi, yet Hanumakka’s daughters were married instead of dedicated to the goddesses. “Nothing has happened to me or my daughters,” Hanumakka tells them. “Life is full of joys and sorrows. If someone falls sick or is poor. it is not because of the goddess. Why should you dedicate your daughters to this evil practice?”

Slowly, the changes occur. Women like Bebamma see a chance for a different life. “I don’t want my daughter to be like me,” Bebamma says. “I want to send her to school. I will never dedicate her to the goddess.”

Dekho Dekho – Kya SHAN hai, Kya SHAN hai, Kya SHAN hai.

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shan Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 6:01 am

DEKHO DEKHO YEH GHINOWNI HARKAT KARNE WALO SUB HE RAVI JAISAY CHUNNUT (CIRCUMCISED) HAIN, here is a cut and paste from Times of India
EW DELHI: A day after a 16-year-old girl, who had gone missing from Balikhal village in South 24-Parganas more than a year ago, was rescued from Begumpur in northwest Delhi, the tale of her ordeals left cops stunned.

The girl reportedly told her counsellor Rashi Aditi Ghosh that she did not want to return to her home. “She fears that she be might be physically abused by her father who had once threatened to marry her,” claimed Rishikant, a social activist from the Shakti Vahini who helped cops in tracing the girl.

Rishikant claimed that the girl has told investigators that she was happy in Delhi with Kadir who had “married” her after “buying” her from Azhar, leader of a trafficking gang. Azhar was arrested by the cops on Wednesday midnight after a shootout. Ghosh revealed on Friday that she accompanied her sister-in-law Jasmira on April 15 in 2009 to a fair. “At the fair, she met Kalam, a resident of Park Street, and agreed to go with him as he promised her security from her father. On the way to Kolkata, Kalam allegedly offered her a cold drink laced with sedatives. She was brought to Delhi and sold to Azhar for Rs 6,000,” said Ghosh. A few weeks later, Kalam demanded more money from Azhar. “To avoid confrontation with Kalam, Azhar sold the girl to Kadir,” said the IO.

Police first arrested Kalam. Azhar was nabbed after they forced Kalam to call him. “Two female members of the NGO posed as victims. While the fictitious deal was underway, Azhar got suspicious and tried to flee. But we managed to nab him,” said a senior police officer. “When we asked Azhar about the girl, he put up a lot of resistance. He yielded after two hours of questioning and called up Kadir, telling him to leave the girl at a secluded house in Begumpur. ”

Read more: Fearing assault by father, rescued girl refuses to go back to Bengal – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Fearing-assault-by-father-rescued-girl-refuses-to-go-back-to-Bengal/articleshow/7121103.cms#ixzz18Vr7YP63

Ravi Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

Yet another point less post from semi-trained LUN GOAT wearing Butcher from Medway.

His point was about Bachabazi in Afghanistan ( read Muslim), I countered with Child Temple Prositution SANCTIFIED by HINDU RELIGION and all he can manage is recount an incident.

Thousands such incidents go unreprted not just in India but around the world.

My post – cut & Paste – it is, but it is well researched, well balanced and well presented. His is just a rant of disgruntled inhuman idiot.

SHAN IS A PROVEN ISLAMOPHOBE & IRRATIONAL

So I was not the only one who thought that about the Hindu Right.

MUMBAI: State Congress leaders are worried about the political fallout of recent controversies over saffron terrorism since it was the state’s home department which first detected and investigated saffron links after the Malegaon blast. The controversy over WikiLeaks’ revelation that AICC general secretary Rahul Gandhi had told the US ambassador that saffron terrorism was as dangerous as the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) has provided fodder to the Shiv Sena-BJP combine .

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For whom the bell tolls…

Ram Autar, the fake Muslim, has seen to that his fellow muslim Zia’s blogs will be dead. His constant ranting about atrocities against budhists and brahmin/jewish conspiracy has done the deal.. You can see him all over and nobody else… Good job Autar! Now you cannot blame others (including Muslims) for your fete

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While the WIkileaks shows what the red cross thinks of Indian state use of torture in Kashmir, its interesting that in the mainstream papers what is being shown as a headline news is that “Sonia Gandhi reveals that her parents did not want her to marry Rajiv”. Obviously this is more important than the torture issue.

Then there is much hue and cry on a tautologically true statement by Rahul Gandhi that the Hindu right wing, is arguably more dangerous in India, given the fact that Hindus are a majority and majority fundamentalism is always more dangerous than minority fundamentalism.

Now in any honest and civilized society this should be so plain obvious, that it need not be even mentioned, however calling a society where Modi is revered, because he brings “economic progress”, as civilized would be like calling Nazi German society “Jew lovers”.

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Ravi Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

Bobby

I could not agree with you more

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Ravi Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

Bobby

Is’nt the danger posed by Hindu Right, the central hypothesis in “The Clash Within”. Is’nt that dismissed by some bloggers here on the grounds that Indian’s don’t need to learn anything from a firangi.

I guess by the same Token Rajiv Gandhi is wrong too, because he is Half Firangi.

How can one have a sensible discussion when such crass arguements are presented.

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Bobby Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

@Ravi,

“How can one have a sensible discussion when such crass arguments are presented.”

Thats why they ARE presented. The whole point is to bring in absolutely meaningless points, so that the facts are not discussed.

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S Singh Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

Majority “terror” is a hypothetical what if.. What the world is facing today – present and now – is the Islamic terrorism in all its virulent formations, destroying and killing, with its love for a culture of death, depravity and a push backwards to medival times.

This madness coupled with the active strategic and tactical support of thei ISI and army of the failed Pakistani state poses the greatest threat faced by human beings today — that the Muslim (yes, Muslim) terrorists will get access to nuclear weapons or dirty bombs and will not hesitate to use them in the streets of Mumbai or in the boulevards of Paris or in the boroughs of New York..

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badal kar usko sudh hindu banaya , uska nam RAM AUTAR

aur uska vivah ek brhmn ladki se kar diya.dono kahjuraho chale gaye.bade pyar se.

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The circumcised is back without a bang. Now lets talk about wikileaks. First Red Cross.Now i cannot direct bloggers to the BBC link where you can watch past Tv programmes,it is only accessible to UK residents through Iplay, ndtv is accessible through Iapps.this was in Newsnight day before yesterday.it showed COPTIC christians in EGYPT , who mostly survive as rag pickers(now hope some moron wont be pointing to boutros Ghali , exception proves the rule) .the young girls are routinely abducted and forcibly converted to islam by recording in their national register. Now if that girlwants to “reconvert” to Christianity , she cannot. because Egypt’s constitution is FULLY SHARIA COMPLIANT, thus conversion from islam to any religion is greatest sin , punishable by death. (I have merely related the facts as i saw in the TV).
Next is SWITZERLAND, it is stale news , but it came up in that programme, THAT SWISS HAVE BANNED BUILDING ANY MINARETS.
Bobby would he consider avoiding geneva for his theoretical physics experiments at CERN.
Now redcross , what was it doing at abughraib prison , what was it doing at Guantamo bay.
So shall we start by offering a plate of BIRYANI when interrogating terrorist.
The same Rahul baba (who above all is a thicko) said GANDHI FAMILY IF WANTS CAN PAKISTAN KO DO TUKRA KAR SAKTA HAI , JAISAY BANGLADESH ME KIYA THA.

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ram autar Reply:
December 18th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

shan ignorance is bliss.
COPTIC christians in EGYPT , who mostly survive as rag pickers(now hope some moron wont be pointing to boutros Ghali ,
i personally know more than one hundred coptic christians.educationally and financially they are far better than general egyptian.boutris boutris ghali reached to this position because ofhis jewish wife.
1.4 crores coptic christians still live in arab countries is proof of muslim tolerance.they hardly leave their country or arabic language.i have never heard of any kidnapping of their women folk.most of the right hand ceo of sheikhs are coptic.they take extremely high salaries other enoluments and bring their entire tribe in gcc countries.
propaganda is to divide society.media is in hands of jews.they want christians to fight everybody and finish like they finshed them 2000 yrs ago.

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ram autar Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 2:13 am

HINDUISM IS SWIMMING IN CORRUTION.The all-round solid support Karnataka’s most corrupt CM, Yeddyurappa, got from the entire godmen who control the Brahminic world, should once for all convince us that corruption is the other name for Brahminism.

All these godmen are sitting on mountains of money, generously donated by all such corrupt rascals. More corruption means more money to Brahmin temples.

Intellectual corruption: All the powerful godmen like the Pejawara Swamy, Dharmastala Hegde, “Sri Sri” Ravishankar, Shankaracharyas and the richest of the lot, Satya Sai Baba, the king of the frauds, have all blessed the CM and promised to stand by him.

The Lingayat swamis went on a strike to defend him. Not a single Brahminic “intellectual” was so far spoken against the CM.

What is the conclusion? Brahminism will never, ever let down its jatwala whatever may be his or her crimes. Yeddyurappa is the standing proof.

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Ravi Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 2:32 am

Pure meaningless twadle without any single point in it.

Just a jumble of random facts (?) signifying nothing.

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Shan–there was a report from Clapton yesterday about a 35 yr old Muslim mother cutting the heart of her daughter listening to an MP3 of Quran and reciting some verses.. This pious woman was always in burqua; neighbors have never seen he except her eye slits!

Any light on this? May be they should pick up this habita nd kill the male progenies so as to reduce the supply of jehadists!

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shan Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

@Binoy Hegde, you are spot on , blimey, would you beleive it this news has been UNDERPLAYED in UK ,perhaps not to add the revulsion which ordinary english now feel about this visible aspect of that religion.Terry Jones ,gun carrying preacher , of the infamous koran burning episode has been invited by English defence League , though the Minister may not allow him entree.Here is a detail account from a INDIAN WEBSITE, for the OPEN JIHADI RAVI
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London, Dec 19 (ANI): A mother in UK has been arrested for brutally killing her four-year-old daughter as an apparent religious offering.

Nusayba Bharuchi’s corpse was found stabbed to death in the kitchen with her heart and other organs cut out and strewn around her flat and lying next to her mother, Shayna.

The 35-year-old woman was allegedly chanting verses of the Koran as her daughter’s disemboweled corpse lay next to her in the home in Clapton, East London, reports the Daily Mail.

The woman had her MP3 on full blast as she listened to the Muslim holy book.

The mother, who is understood to have two teenage children of 14 and 16, has since been sectioned under the Mental Health Act and is in a secure unit as police continued to guard the third-floor premises on the estate.

The girl’s father, Jerome Negney, discovered the gruesome scene when he arrived home to the flat to find his partner clutching a kitchen knife.

The man, believed to be a Muslim convert, dialed 999 and paramedics pronounced the girl dead at the scene.

The Metropolitan Police’s Child Abuse Investigation Command is leading the murder iquiry. They are not believed to be looking for anybody else.(ANI)

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ram autar Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

A mother in UK has been arrested for brutally killing her four-year-old daughter as an apparent religious offering

shan muslim are not diot like u people.there is no concept of human offering in islam.even in mosques also there is cash offering.

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Rep Peter King, the new Chairman of Homeland Security Committe in the upcoming Republican House, is planning a hearing on American Muslims (born here as well as naturalized) – how radixcalized they are, how much of a threat, should US be worried about them like UK is worried about its Muslims, where do the loyalty lies (he does not have to do a hearing for that! ) etc.

generally these hearings lead to new legislation – in this case it may be restrictions on immigration, monitoring of mosques etc..

It will be an interesting discussion!

He is planning this as soon as the congress convenes in early 2011.

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Ravi Reply:
December 19th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

I think similar investigation should be held in India, which should include why Hindu Youth have become readicalised by the RSS/VHP.

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brhmn aur angrezi padha,
karela aur neem chadha

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private sector is primarily driven by profits….. one cannot force them to have impose employee reservations based on caste…… A pvt sector would just care about actual ability of its potential employee rather than the caste and creed he belongs to….. if you really want to empower all sections you got to do away with reservations …… Ensure that primary education is made compulsory and a quality education is imparted to all sections of society….. Make them equally capable and let them free to compete with each other…..

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Yeah I’m thinking of common man from last 65 years ..and that’s all we did “thinking” – RG

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He can start by empowering a promising guy from a backward community to be the CEO of the county..a certain Mr. Narendra Modi. How bout that?

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TMM Reply:
April 7th, 2013 at 3:27 am

So that he can divide and communalise this nation like he has done in Gujarat???

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Does he own a mantra or similar to Namo Mantra, common the guy is too naive to even find his brain at the right place..

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the mantra for success of any industry any here in the world had been the workers ability to perform to the best as per accepted company’s standards and as per if a person belongs to any lower class or minority such as scheduled class or backward class or belonging to a minority such as muslim .

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the mantra for success of any industry any here in the world had been the workers ability to perform to the best as per accepted company’s standards and as per if a person belongs to any lower class or minority such as scheduled class or backward class or belonging to a minority such as muslim .

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if the rahul wants to give away jobs because a person belongs to the minority or a lower class .then he would be better off giving away some of the money his mother has looted thru various scams to the tune of $900,000 crores and increasing daily,instead of asking industry to give the jobs away whether or not a person is qualified to do it or not.

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if the rahul wants to give away jobs because a person belongs to the minority or a lower class .then he would be better off giving away some of the money his mother has looted thru various scams to the tune of $900,000 crores and increasing daily,instead of asking industry to give the jobs away whether or not a person is qualified to do it or not.

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Spin away…
Rahul speech received a lukewarm reception because it was anti-pvt sector? Or pointed out non-inclusive nature of pvt sector policies?
It received a lukewarm response because it showed up an immature young man for what he is. It was a speech full of “huh” and “duh” moments.

Sample these:

- “if you can do business in India, you can do so on the moon”- Who takes credit, Mr Gandhi?

- China’s development/ social sector progress got dismissed, rather arrogantly- “dragon”/ “simplistic place”/ lack of accountability- witness this driver who ran over pedestrians and absconded. Point??

- Beehive – again, what was the point? That we all slog and the Queen bee grows rich?

Anyway,

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