Ayodhya: Advani’s harvest

Advani’s rath yatra and all that followed in its wake may have brought the BJP to power in Maharashtra and then at the Centre but there was nothing religious or noble about that enterprise. He lacks even the grace to accept that his innings is well and truly over.

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Over the years, based on my conversation with educated Muslims, I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing like Secular muslim or moderate muslim. All the same under the skin, hardcore mullah.

It is no strange to read your prejudice for a man who are hated by muslims all over the world, becoz he talks about hindu cause.

For a non-hindu like Rahul Ganhi, it is very simple to brush aside the Ram Temple as a non-priority becoz it is neither going to bring him votes nor any brownie point among the chiristians.

We are seeing the development work being done by UPA all over the country and CWG venue is one of the hottest example.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

Hahaha now you are calling Rahul gandhi a non-hindu as well. How do you define a hindu? Anyone who is ready to kill for a temple? That sounds like RSS/VHP talk to me. Hindu terrorists and nothing else.

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Justistox Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

The TitleShould have been :”AYODHYA : “ADVANI’S WATERLOO!”
A score of years ago Advani launched his Rath Yatra from Somnath Temple in Gujarat to Ayodhya in UP to whip up emotional frenzy among the reactionary Hindus to seize Babri Masjid and build instead Ramjanmabhoomi Temple!That day he was a great hero of Hindutva!Within two years and two monthsthat structure was razed to the ground and amake-shift temple was created on 6th December, 1992!
He claims that the rath yatra changed the political course of the country and the future of the BJP!BJP could get just two seas in the Lok Sabha in 1984 elctions.Its tally leapfrogged to 85 in 1989 elections!In 1991 election BJP’stally rose to 120!And BJP led NDA coalition Govt.ruled from 1998 to 2004!Advanicoolly placed the “temple Issue”pn the back burnerunder the pretet of “Compulsions of coalition!”Consequent to that BJP failed to regain power not only in 2004 elections but also in 2009!
Now in 2010, he is sidelined in his own party and his achievements have been given a different colouring!So Ayodhya that looked like haldighati to Advani in 1990 has turned out a Waterloo in 2010!

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@ZIA, Blimey you looked much sober than your photograph in NDTV we the people, and you spoke much better than pork barrel Barkha, St Stephens second mariiage to a kasmiri muslim Dutt.Now as much I consider Advani to be a charlatan(Nirad Choudhuri was amazed to know the canon ball of hinduitva doesn’t even command a smattering of sanskrit), HOW ABOUT A SHAH BANO part two , shows up in the horizon . Now if a BRAVE JUDGE pronouces a humane judgement , contrary to Muslim Personal Law , and inevitably retards like Sahabuddin jump on the fray and DEMAND MUSLIM PERSONAL LAW WILL OVERRIDE AGAIN SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT. Will you call him looking backward. PEOPLE LIVING IN GLASS HOUSE SHOULD NOT THROW STONES TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:27 am

Shan,
Even monster Jinnah looked sober. He infact weighed just 50 pounds.
I have heard lot of rumours about Barkha’s Kashmir connection but was never convinced so have started observing Barkha’s reaction closely on Kashmir and muslim issue. There is some kashmiri connection for sure.

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Indian Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

@Zia, Don’t compare LK with Rahul. Rahul said only those lines which writes their advisor which gives him publicity. Rahul Gandhi is just a Robot without brain. LK is a political legend.

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While I do not support the narrow religious bigotry of any one irrespective of their religions, I can not understand the stands of the muslims of India for sticking to their stand that they want the mosque at that site, which has very strong religious and emotional sentiments for the Hindus. By saying this I am not at all condoning the acts of the people who had destroyed the mosque at Ayodhya.

The muslims of India have no specific attachment for that site. If it is Babri mosque, as some people say, then it is stigma for the muslims that one of their ancestors had destroyed a religious place of other community and made a mosque over that. Do they- the muslims- want to live with that stigma and shame?

Let the muslims magnanimously agree to hand over that site and build a grand mosque, may be if it required in the vicinity. This to my mind will go a long way to heal the wounds perpetrated long ago. This will also take away a potential mischief from the politicians.

Is some one listening to this? Will some one rise to make a new India, is the question.

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Are you forgetting the original intent of building a mosque on destroyed Hindu temple ?

it is meant to convey that only islam is the true religion and Hindus are Dhimmis and to humiliate them.

Current day muslims are drunk on islamism and they want to continue humiliating Hindus.
why should they stop this humiliation, as they get their superiority complex satisfied…

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Let’s look forward. When I look ahead, in a couple of decades you animal slaughtering barbarians will rule Europe and a major part of Asia by breeding like rats. United States will sooner or later fall in that threat zone. We already see more like Pamela Gellar, Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders coming up in every part of the west. I am scared of you guys… seriously!
You have many nations to go and live in, but this is our only nation. Your people don’t have a SINGLE TRULY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC country. But we made the only land available to us secular and democratic. We even gave your brainwashed siblings lands of their own (Pak and Bangladesh) but you guys are soon going to outbreed us in our only land!

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Dear Mr. Muslim ( sic), How about Muslims embracing development and letting the Hindus make a grand temple on the sites in Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi ? You take Rahul Baba’s development and let us have the temples…

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ishwar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

The best comment award goes to you Dr. Srivastava.

No disputes.

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What do education and jobs have to do with Ayodhya? As always, Rahul is obfuscating the issue, comparing apples and oranges. And we shall see, how far has India advanced if the judgment goes against the muslims. As I have said before, the core issue is that people in India look at the highly discriminatory policies of practically all muslim majority countries in the world and they are wondering what will happen to India if India becomes a muslim majority country tomorrow. They are afraid, very afraid. You maybe an Indian first and muslim next (are you?) but the only important thing here is the average muslim. Is he an Indian first and muslim next? Nobody would be happier than BJP if it was so. Ask Advani.

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Basic security comes before jobs. It sounds very good to talk of jobs, IT and progress in states where Congress is not in power, but Rahul should look at Congress rules states first. He is a novice supported by script writers and can’t be compaed with Advani. Rahul has his political compulsions and Advani has his. Reporters should give an unbiased picture rather than such loaded messages.

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This is typical muslim mentality. you and muslim terrorists enjoy Killing of non muslims (kashmiri pundits genocide my Muslims and other ) and cry when your muslim terrorist friends – Indian Mujahid are killed in encounter. Corrupt and dishonest Christian missionary – Sonia /Rahul who are enjoying cut backs from all the deals and CWG and 2G Spectrum deals manage to rule with help of Muslim anti nationals like you and Some corrupt media like NDTV and TOI/HT. This is what majority people in India want – Muslims have 50 country that have sharia law – you can move to any of these 50 country and live like the way you want to live. Hindus have only one county – India – We will live the way we want to live in india.

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The only honorable and fair solution to Babri Masjid issue is that the Muslims be allowed to build a mosque there. If Hindu_India is able to usurp the land because of their numeric strength, or by intimidation, it would leave an unbridgeable trust deficit between the Majority and Minority community. No Muslim of any disposition living anywhere in the world would ever accept the made up and concocted story of Ram’s Birth Place is Ayodhia Mosque. The logic, the proof is not there. BJP/VHP needed this to build political support and it has all been fabricated. Hindus have no legal or moral right to take this place from Muslims.

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zam zam cola Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:09 am

Please make sure Hindus have land in Mecca,before you think of it.

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S Singh Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:12 am

Naveed

There is really no “Muslim” place in India; for, if we go by land titles, any Muslim place at one time in history was confiscated from soembody who is not Muslim, because Muslim faith was not the original inheritor.

Questioning Rama was born in Ayodhya or whether Rama ever lived is like questioning the immaculate conception of Mother Mary. Will Muslims ever give away Mecca and Medina?

If the trsut deficit increases between majority and minority community due to this, let it be. Thousands of mosques have been created, and are still being created in every part of India without any issue or without any problems from the majoprity community.. Looks like that is not helping to bridge the trust deficit. . Muslim kings, Muslim chieftains, and some Muslim people have destroyed many temples in the past (pre independence), running in thousands. . No Hindu ruler or hindu chieftains or Hindu people have ever destroyed a Muslim or other belief’splaces of worship. Of course, Muslims of today cannot and should not be blamed for those destructions; however they should be aware of that history.

So, dont bring the **** of trust deficit.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am

@S Singh, If a community claims that their God was born where the Parliment stands today should the Indian government then give the land on which the Parliament stands today to that community to build their worshipping place? Or should they atleast at a bare minimum ask can you please prove what you are stating and then we will give you the place?

As for the Hindu kings in the past not destroying religious places go read the following link http://www.chowk.com/articles/14150. Please know your history before you ask others to know theirs. Hindus have not destroyed just Jain and Buddhist temples but also hindu temples in the past. That was the culture in those times and Muslims were no different.

One thing that I do agree with is no one should be blamed for what their community did in the past because that does not solve anything today. It only increases the divide and we should try and get people together.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

Pakistani Alert…

zam zam cola Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:15 am

Legal and Moral rights of Muslims look good in Mecca not in Ayodhya.Don’t trumpet you false beliefs.We don’t care what Muslims of the world think because India is not their business,they should mind their thing in their respective countries. Anyways Christian world also don’t believe you bull shit.

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raj Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:56 am

Destroy Pakistan once……..and…..FOREVER.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:49 am

@Naveed

Why do Muslims insist on having mosques in places considered sacred by others? The whole groound zero mosque controversy here in NY has really hurt Muslims’ cause.. More people consider Muslims with suspicion now than after 9/11. Activities like these raise alarms and questions even in a generally accepting peopel/country like US.

Muslims are their own worst enemies

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shan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:57 am

@naveed khan, How about no rationalist , no jew, no christian beleives that kaba was built by Abraham. This babri masjid was a UNUSED MOSQUE, which according to our fellow blogger Syed’s knowledge of islamic rites prooves that it was built after destroying the temple. I would argue this a golden oppurtuinity for Indian muslims to redeem themselves and cede the place in the greater interest of the nation of their birth and put to rest the constant doubt about their true allegiance.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:02 am

@shan

makes sense.. good suggestion..

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Vivek Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am

Hi Shan,
If there were more people like you there would be no riots in India. If we can have a big temple and a grand Mosque in Ayodhya standing side by side, we can turn this disaster into a big opportunity. Hinduism is more a way of life and it’s very flexible and allows people to worship God in any form. That’s why there were no massacres or persecution on new religions like Jainism, Buddhism etc. and a lot of people converted to these religions. Even majority of Muslims in India converted from Hinduism. You can find the Hindus divided almost equally on this issue while moderate Muslims are in a lopsided minority.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am

By your standards it is alright then to break an unused temple as well is it? Why do Muslims have to prove their allegiance to hindus or India? Why dont the hindus have to do the same?

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shan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

@sword of allah(for killing kafirs), By my standard demolishing an WORKING TEMPLE is perfectly reasonable thing to do , if there is need to build a school / hospital or it comes in the way of building a good roads/highway.

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am

Shaan,

Besides the kaaba, built without any proof, there is the on going dispute with the Jews in Jerusalem about the Al aqsa mosque, which Muslims all over the world, including Indian Muslims and also including the writer of this shit piece, Zia-ul-haq, believe, is the place from where Mohammed took wings on his upward journey to heaven. Now can any Muslim show any proof of Mohammed going to heaven or going to heaven from this mosque? For having no proof, will they give up the claim on this mosque? Never.

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zam zam cola Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:13 am

Muslims destroyed Temple in Deganga West Bengal( year 2010). Now this is a good example of Muslim morality. Now open your mouth and talk about legal thing.Talk about trust deficit.

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Ckaul Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:46 am

It is unwise to think about substituting jobs or work with religion. Religion and sentiments have their own place. It is very irresponsible for rahul to say Jobs are more important than mosque/temple. This type of mentality shows he is not a good elader and does not understand India. In place of a temple, he will throw money or jobs at people. That does not fit in India. He is a misfit Indian.
Rahul is not forward, he is short-sighted at looking at his prospects for leading the nation.

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Nirman Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:15 am

What a inhuman Babarish mind you have man. You are totally misinformed. And you never thought independently. Grow up.
VHP/RSS/BJP are only recent entrants.
But the issue was 500 yrs old.
The forefathers of Ayodhya hindus must have taken pledge to forward their agony to future generations and rebuild the temple. That is how the issue first surfaced in 1850 at judiciary level when hindus saw an opportunity with British legacy.
Please stright your facts before uttering nonsense.
If you think you can get away with your terrorism , then it will be eternal devide between Hindus and Muslims. Evey hindu will burn inside about the injustice meted to them in their own country.
And Vatican agents will add fuel to this fire to implement their hidden agenda destroying Indian culture.

Why not we build Ram temple on Mecca, if you are so fanatic without any rationality?

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Patriot Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:43 am

You should go and eat some pork. It would be good to show that you are progressive. Also, this joker, who has written this letter should screw Burkha dutt – would produce a mixed breed thug like Rahul Gandhi

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verysmartindi Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:00 am

Na-weed…..aka Laghman Afghani…..aka Pukeistani……. You go the Hell….wait….. you live in a Hell called Pukeistan!

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Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:07 am

Thats is the game plan of muslims to take over. Advani is forward thinking. Have you seen how other nations have faired in the past no matter how much progress they make its all bought down with an Islamic uprising Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, partition of India etc.

Yet we remain clueless people we even hide the shame of being treated like foreigners in our own motherland by muslims. We have had our religious places destroyed. Do muslims give up? They still want to destroy Israel and hate non-muslims.

Let look at facts about islam and muslims and why they want a mosque, it’s because muslims are required not to return any land they have taken away from non-believers.

This verse in Quran gave birth to the law that all non muslims living in an Islamic state have to pay the jiziya or poll tax for the privilege of being there. These people are called zimmis and are allowed to live and work in the Islamic lands under the following 20 disabilities: (one has to wonder if apartheid was derived from this)

1. They are not to build any new places of worship.
2. They are not to repair any old places of worship which have been destroyed by the muslims.
3. They are not to prevent muslim travellers from staying in their places of worship.
4. They are to entertain for 3 days any Muslim who wants to stay in their homes and for a longer period if the muslim falls ill.
5. They are not to harbor any hostility or give aid and comfort to hostile elements.
6. They are not to prevent any one of them from getting converted to Islam.
7. They have to show respect to every Muslim.
8. They have to allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings.
9. They are not to dress like muslims.
10. They are not to name themselves with Muslim names.
11. They are not to ride on horses with saddle and bridle.
12. They are not to possess arms.
13. They are not to wear signet or seals on their fingers.
14. They are not to sell or drink liquor openly
15. They are to wear a distinctive dress which shows their inferior status and separates them from Muslims.
16. They are not to propagate their custom and usages among the muslims.
17. They are not to build their houses in the neighbourhood of muslims.
18. They are not to bring their dead near the graveyards of the muslims.
19. They are not to observe their religious practices publicly or mourn their dead loudly.
20. They are not to buy muslim slaves.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:13 am

21. The non-muslims should just roll over and let muslims take over.

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Nishat Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am

To all people fighting here… a few lines from Bullehshah… Hope better sense prevails !! This is the true spirit of India.

You have learnt so much
And read a thousand books.
Have you ever read your Self?
You have gone to mosque and temple.
Have you ever visited your soul?
You are busy fighting Satan.
Have you ever fought your
Ill intentions?
You have reached into the skies,
But you have failed to reach
What’s in your heart!

Ankit Patel Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am

@ naveed

you are talking about evidence..

there is enough evidence to suggest that there was temple before Babri mosque(which was unused for years)..

if you look into the history of Islam in Indian subcontinent..Muslim ruler have destroyed so many Hindu temples..

if you really care about bridging trust deficit.. you should do some introspection to care for the sensitivity of others..

Look at the MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO debate in a liberal country like America..

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:51 am

Can you point to the verses where the above mentioned 20 points are mentioned in the Quran? Please state facts instead of what you have cooked up. Also what muslims do is not what Islam is. Like any other religion Muslims have good and bad people. Otherwise I can say the burning alive of Graham Staines and his two young sons by hindus is what hinduism teaches. Will that be true?

As for the Jiziya, Muslims have to pay zakat which is 2.5% of all savings which goes in charity. Non-muslims dont do that so they pay Jiziya instead which should be used appropriately then by the authorities. Ignorance is bliss for some isint it??

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

Jaziya was 25% as opposed to 2.5% zakat. You LIAR..

usa Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am

if you think advani is forward thinking….i dont think anyone is going to take you seriously….i suggest: to make your ranting more effective next time and to get more feel good points from the likes of rajeev…dont overtly show you are rss.

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Nirman Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:43 am

Navid.,

What a inhuman Babarish mind you have man. You are totally misinformed. Did you ever thought independently?

VHP/RSS/BJP are only recent entrants.
But the issue was 500 yrs old.
The forefathers of Ayodhya hindus must have taken pledge to forward their agony to future generations and rebuild the temple. That is how the issue first surfaced in 1850 at judiciary level when hindus saw an opportunity with British legacy.
Please stright your facts before uttering nonsense.
If you think you can get away with your terrorism , then it will be eternal devide between Hindus and Muslims. Evey hindu will burn inside about the injustice meted to them in their own country.
And Vatican agents will add fuel to this fire to implement their hidden agenda ( many-to-many, whenever-wherever-whoever, age-no-bar,and gender-no-bar culture).

Can we build Ram temple on Mecca or Medina? You say Rama is a fabrication. But it is not more fabrication than calling Mohammed as Prophet. Because atleast the epics of hinduism under go peer review process via Ashtavadhanam and Shatavadhanam which is absent in Abrahamic religions.
CAN YOU PROVE THAT YOU GET DREAMS?

( Moderator. Please let me save my nation).

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Major ( Retd ) Virendra Sharma Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:22 am

Naveed Khan

That mosque in Ayodhya had no emotional or historical value to muslims of that area. The only history, perhaps, it had was that it was constructed by Babar, grand father of Akbar, by demolishing a Hindu temple. If that is the history then it would be tainted one for any muslim. Many mosques have been relocated even an islamic country like Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for very routine reasons like relaying roads etc. So, what are we talking about? If “Hindu India”, as mentioned by you, wanted to usurp the structure, they could have done it any time from 15th August 1947 when a muslim Pakistan was created for them. The very reason, it was done shows the tolerance of the majority community.

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guest Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am

Is the pubic hair of mohammed in Hazrat Bal in Kashmir is for real. Can you guys do some dna tests of the pubic hair and confirm its of mohammed. If you do that and confirm then we will believe.Then we will talk about whether Ayodhya is Lord Ram’s birth place or not.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

@naveed khan, i dont believe the right solution is to have a Mosque there. Neither do I think making a temple there is a great idea. In either case someone gets hurt. And hurting someone is not allowed either in Hinduism or Islam. The best solution is to make that place a common place like a Peace park where everyone can visit and enjoy.

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ishwar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

go ahead and make as many peace-parks as u like in Mecca or on the grave of Jawahar Lal Nehru – the father of secularism in India… leave the Ram Janmbhoomi to us

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ash Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

Naveed Khan, you say ‘If Hindu_India is able to usurp the land because of their numeric strength, or by intimidation, it would leave an unbridgeable trust deficit between the Majority and Minority community’. you mean what muslims in all other parts of the world do to other minorities. that is a muslim game not a hindu one.

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cpsingh Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

To all, who does not know history,
Muslim religion was started in 500 AD, even Emperor Ashoka has born well before this religion has started. How can people say that there is no proof of Ayodhya and Lord Ram. Even well before Kuran was written we have emperor Ashoka and his history. History and proof can tell you only 2000 years story but how you will verify which has happened at the time ther was no concept of history and religion.

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Mitra Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:59 am

Hi Navid,
I am a Hindu and I totally agree with you. Devotion to God Ram should not and does not require Hindus to demolish religious structures belonging to other communities and build a temple there. Anything that is achieved through this much needless bloodshed and hatred can hardly inspire religious devotion. Every second building in Ayodha is a temple anyway!. The land must be handed over to the Muslims and they should rebuild the mosque there. Anything else will be a travesty of justice and a violation of religious freedom and liberty. Down with the Hindu rednecks on this blog!

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Ashish Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am

Hi Mitra,
what would be your prescription for the more recent events unfolding in Deganga in your homestate?
Haven’t heard of Deganga? Aha, not surprised. No sickular media carries the story. Whipping up minority passions over one mosque increases circulation, gains TRPs..
No such gains in Deganga.

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Indian Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

@Naved The covered Blackstone in Macca is a Shiva’s Sibling. I beg u to give that place to me. I will build a grand temple overthere.

If this is impossible same here in Ayodhya. Its a birhthplace of Lord Ram! Please wash your brain

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Vijay Bhatia Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:40 am

“The only honorable and fair solution to Babri Masjid issue is that the Muslims be allowed to build a mosque there. If Hindu_India is able to usurp the land because of their numeric strength, or by intimidation, it would leave an unbridgeable trust deficit between the Majority and Minority community.”
Nonsense! You don’t seem to have ANY respect for majority of Hindus who have huge religious value for that site, compared to almost none for Muslims.

“No Muslim of any disposition living anywhere in the world would ever accept the made up and concocted story of Ram’s Birth Place is Ayodhia Mosque.”
And that is the statement of utter intolerance of your community and total disregard for sentiments of millions of Hindus.

“The logic, the proof is not there. BJP/VHP needed this to build political support and it has all been fabricated. Hindus have no legal or moral right to take this place from Muslims.”

Again, it is a matter of faith. Creationism mentioned in your religious books has long been proven wrong.
By your logic, your religion should cease to exist?

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I fully accept that in this day and age the Babri Mosque should not have been destroyed by Hindu fanatics because if we are to be taken as a serious country then we should not be doing such things and to maintain the sanctity of the constitution, those who perpetrated these act must be duly punished. But the Muslims with their horrible and savage history of pillage and destruction of some of the most sacred sites of other religions in India are the last people on the face of this earth to complain about any mosques being destroyed. This is a Hindu issue and it should be the Hindus who should solve this issue in the best spirit of the secular Indian constitution. I suggest the Muslims should keep out of this. Period!

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As a congress sycophant, no wonder Zia drools over Rahul Gandhi; although his great grandfather’s love for political power at the expense of the territorrial integrity of the country is one reason of this constant enmity and lack of trust between the two communities.

So, here is a self-made old man, who lost everything in partition, came to India and built a life for himself. A man cannot run away from his experience and eye witness incidents; only Gods and angels can. For good or bad Advani is the living product of a messy bloody partition.

Somnath is a symbol of civilizational wounds impinged on not once, not twice, not thrice, not four times.. It is a wound even deeper than the division of the country. So, finding fault with him for retiring to Somnath, while may not be fashionable, is quite timelya nd poignant, giving the message of “never again” with the thtreat of radical Islam around us all over again.

Rahul Gandhi has not been burned in the crucible like Advani. A sheltered boy of below average intelligence; he could be what he is only in India — well, we have examples of everything here! We all know he will be the prime minister one day, and let us hope he will more than make up by delivering to the country.

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Ahimsa Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:24 am

The comments in reply to the article imply that there are so many religious nuts here. I agree that good jobs are more important than temple/mosque. Harping on the past and maligning an entire group of Muslims of today, who had nothing to do with what might or might not have happened, is the height of stupidity.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am

Singhji,

Most Indians do not know why Muslims hate Somanath so much and so viscerally. It was rebuilt by Sardar Patel after shfting a mosque which had been built into it. At that time there was nobody to protest. All the Shahabuddins, Bukharis and other mullahs were busy licking their wounds at the moth-eaten Pakistan that they said the Britishers and the Hindus had doled out to them. It is only when the re-awakened Hindus started demanding construction of Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir, all these people formed Babri Masjid prtotection committee etc with active support from the congress and other pseudo seculars.

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NISHIT DESAI Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am

Oh Mr. Zia, with whom are you comparing Advani with. The relatively inexperienced Rahul. And what are you trying to bring into picture. That Advani rose to fame because of the any such previous tragedies. What cheap comments and cooked stories. Your lavish prasies on Rahul and criticisms of Advani shows that you are on Congress payrolls who has been actually sponspored by Congress to write such nonsense things. After all secular Muslims like you are bound to be on the Congress payrolls lest knowledge of cheap secularism cannot be spreaded without your writings.

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Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

Get real man. The fact is Rahul Gandhi has shown far more maturity than L K Advani. whose credibility is at the lowest. A temple in Ayodhya is not going to solve the serious problems of the country – education, unemployment., health care, and infrastructure, which by the looks of it Advani does not care and neither do you. Advani may be a hero to Hindutva brigade, but to the vast majority of the Indians he has been a divisive figure. That is why his attempt to fulfill his Prime Ministerial ambitions ground to dust in the last general elections.

Why only Muslims but vast majority of Hindus would support the Congress much to your chagrin, because they do not subscribe to the hate and divisive agenda of the RSS, whose principal exponent has been L K Advani. It seems that Advani and RSS do not wish to learn any lessons even after two successive defeats in the general elections in 2004 and 2009.

Samir Banerjee Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

A vast majority of people including MUSLIMS will support the BJP if elections are held tomorrow.The congress has failed on all fronts as it has been for the last 60 years. It is the most communal party responsible for partition and the anti sikh pogrom.Rahul if elected PM will fail like Omar Abdullah has in Kashmir. Got it Congress man !!

ishwar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

Satish,

Why does Rahul Gandhi talks so much without accepting any responsibility of the state of affairs in the country? If Mr. Advani is a divisive figure, what is the contribution of Rahul Gandhi and his family since independence?

The fact is Congress has effectively kept half the nation illeterate and carry on getting voted back to power on the back of media propaganda and people’s ignorance (including yours).

Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

Why shouldn’t he talk? He is also an MP. just as L K Advani is. By your logic, neither should Advani talk then. That is not on. They are free to express their views, just like you and me.

Sure, Advani has been a divisive figure. His infamous rath yatra resulted in riots killing more than 2000 people all over India. He will be remembered only for this and his unequivocal backing of Narendra Modi.

I am no particular fan of Nehru-Gandhi family, but here is my take. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru was the best Prime Minister we have had. He nurtured many of the democratic institutions needed to govern this country. Indira Gandhi was the worst, as she tried to browbeat the system (the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary) to her whims and fancies. Rahul Gandhi was just an ordinary Prime Minister, nothing much to write home about.

The problems of the country – illiteracy, health-care, infrastructure, etc. cannot be blamed on party alone. These are national problems. What makes you think that BJP would have solved these problems? They were given one chance in 1998/1999 and what did they do to solve the problems, hardly anything. Instead they shamed India by Gujarat 2002. If Gujarat 2002 had not happened, probably BJP would have won in 2004 and in 2009.

Zia mian,
Raul is a certified ******! No one knows what he stands for. The italian mafia queen and her dumb son don’t know governance. They are being managed by a coterie of converted christians and moslems. The impotent congress has dragged india down be it Kashmir, Naxalism, NE or handling china. They messed up CWG royally and corruptions galore!

Now, listen you moslem fanatic, Advani does not matter anymore! We the educated Hindus want a temple for Lord Rama where it once stood. Advani only kindled the dormant feelings in every Hindu. He desrves kudos for it! Advani has officially retired and he has publicly said he would not be contesting next elections. Are you not a ****** to not know this?

Any misadventure by congies or courts or barbarian worshipping moslems or christians, there will be a massive Hindu backlash! Let Raul and you scums shove your “development” plans in our rear!

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Advani has been going to Somnath at this time of the year for the last 20 years, there is nothing special about him offering payers to the Lord this time around. I am sure you know this, yet you indulge in this falsehood.

Considering you keep on writing these kind of jihadi propaganda pieces, it is no wonder that the US did not want you to go there. US, unlike India,is not willing to roll over and let itself get screwed by jihadis.

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Just to put the record straight – there is considerable evidence in history that places of worship of the minorities have always been destroyed by the rulers to assert their faith – so Hindu rulers destroyed Buddhist temples in India, the Buddhist rulers destroyed Hindu temples in South east Asia, and Tamil temples in Sri Lanka, etc .

It is wrong to say that Hindus have never destroyed places of worship, as Mr. S. Singh seems to believe.

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When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here’s how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

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Ankit Patel Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

interesting one.. informative!!

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Zia – yeh tune kya kiya!! This veild attempt at bringing Advani down can be understood because you are comparing him with Rahul – an unproven but articluate born-with-a golden-spoon man. But by calling him and Uma retards you have just showed everyone your own mental handicap. You come out as numbnuts yourself and pray, exactly what are your accomplishments when comapred with Advani or Uma!! I’m guessing not more than impotent attempts to villify others.
The only conclusion readers can draw is that you were abused as a child and have not been able to overcome that trauma even as you fade away in the sunset.

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What else would Rahul Gandhi speak when he is addressing IIT students? It would be interesting what Rahul Gandhi speaks when he is at a political rally in a place say Moradabad or Azamgadh. Do you think he would say on the lines of mandir/masjid do not matter in Muslim dominated areas?

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COMPARING A NONENTITY NAMED RAHUL WITH ADVANI IS STUPIDITY. CONGRESS MEN FIND HIM WORTH HEARING,IT IS THEIR PROBLEM.
ANY STATEMENT MADE BY HIM ISNOT EVEN WORTH REPORTING.,WHY WASTE TIME INCOMMENTING.

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Nirman Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:30 am

What a heartless inhuman Babbarish mind you have man. You are totally misinformed. And you never thought independently.
VHP/RSS/BJP are only recent entrants.
But the issue was 500 yrs old.
The forefathers of Ayodhya hindus must have taken pledge to forward their agony to future generations and rebuild the temple. That is how the issue first surfaced in 1850 at judiciary level when hindus saw an opportunity with British legacy.
Please stright your facts before uttering nonsense.
If you think you can get away with your terrorism , then it will be eternal devide between Hindus and Muslims. Evey hindu will burn inside about the injustice meted to them in their own country.
And Vatican agents will add fuel to this fire to implement their hidden agenda ( many-to-many, whenever-wherever-whoever, age-no-bar,and gender-no-bar culture).

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Naveed Khan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:35 am

There is lot of ranting and hatred. There is lot of Bigotry and deception. There are lot of words and bravado. There is lot of pent up frustration by Hind_India on this blog. There is no cogent proof that Babri Masjid was a temple at the Birth place of Ram. No proof. No logic. No moral reasoning. Just intimidation. Just use of raw power of the majority to subdue and subjugate the minority. That is all I see. I see no rationale in Hindu_India demanding to take over the Babri Masjid to Build a Temple.
If Hindu_India succeeds by share use of force and violence, then I believe there will other places demanded by Hindu_India. If Hindu_India takes over the place, I would consider it theft and robbery. I would call it State Terrorism to humiliate and subjugate the minority, deny them freedom of religion. It would shatter the facade of Indian secularism and democracy.
Muslims of India must stand up and fight for their rights otherwise they would just be eliminated. Take lesson from Sikhs. They were crushed, physically, morally and religiously. Today, Sikhism is considered an off-shoot of Hinduism. Sikhs do not have the courage to even demand a separate religious status for themselves.
Forcibly taking over of Babri is last step towards extermination of Islam in India under the guise of Hindutva.

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Nirman Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:52 am

Navid:

Your mind does not think independently. And the moderator is not publish my comments which can invoke thinking in you.
And now I see you as conspirator with ulterior motives when you bought Sikhs into the subject.

For your knowledge there is no secular than a hindu mind in the history of this planet.

For sure muslims have grounded cultures throughout the world. Even if say the history is wrong, recent episodes of Bamiyan and ethnic cleasing Kashmir Pandits are not wrong.

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Shashank Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:55 am

Well Naveed, India is a land of Hindus and Islam is a Invading (and cowardly) religion and was never ever born in India (or Pakistan for that fact). They always thrived in destroying Indian temples, sculptures and building their mosque on it. Even Taj Mahal is thought to have had a Shiva temple in its place before the cowards destroyed it. Ever forget Hampi? See their remains and it will show how BARBARIC Muslims really are!

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Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 6:12 am

Will muslims allow us to build a temple in Mecca? No matter what you say you will not have your mosque there. Even in the US no one wants the ugly mosque in NYC. The world has changed.

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Ahimsa Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:27 am

Do Muslims of India control what might or might not be allowed in Mecca, or NYC? Stay with the subject and do not treat Muslims to be monolithic.

hami Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:06 am

auqat hain kiya aalogka. liar.

S Singh Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 6:16 am

Naaveed
Soikhiism is an outshoot of Hinduisam, formed to remove the inconsistencies an dinjustices in the Hindu syatem..

Foer your information, many Sikhs were murdered by your Muslim Kings and during partition. No Sikh was killed by a Hindu when the enw religion was formed (compare this to Ahmadiyyas , Sufis, Shioas). The New Delhi massacre was not a Hindyu vs Sikh, but a revenge and attack by Indira AGndhi followers/congress members.

have u ever thought why do people have problems with Islam/Mus;ims all over the world? It is in USA, in Denmark, net5herlands, Germany, farnce, UK. Right wing parties are coming into prominence ebcause of Muslim behavior in those countries.

There is no Hindu india or Christian india or Muslim India. Although Muslims want their Muslim India.

Your propblem is your religion. You cannoi keep your religiona s a personal thing. You want your religion to permeate all walks of your life. MAny of you do not believe in geographically configured countries.

Either adapt or perish. Dont cry for India. It will survive and prosper. It has done it for 7000 years, withstood invasion after invasiuon. Produced one of the oldest surviving civilization in the world. A land of rishis, Arsha Bharath, of teachers, of learning..It will survive if Muslims decide to move on because it is not a hispitable land.. And where do you think it is more hiospitable? In the land of the pure? Where will Islam survive from ytour observation, if not in India?

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Rajendra Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 6:28 am

Oh, Yes! It is Kashi Vishwanth Mandir in Varanasi! Have you ever seen it? The Mosque that is standing there is supported by the walls of the earlier Vishwanth Temple, with all the Hindu sculptures intact! Walls are enough of an evidence that it was a temple. After all, Mosques will not built with Hindu temple architecture! Go and see it for yourself!

The other one is the birthplace (Janmabhoomi) of Lord Krishna in Mathura. Earlier the Kesava Deo temple had a room which was considered as the birthplace of Lord Krishna. Mughal emperor Aurangzeb ordered the demolition of the temple and constructed Katra Masjid in 1661. Traces of the ancient Hindu temple can be seen from the back, where the modern temple Shri Krishna Janmasthan complex stands.

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

Can you post pictures of Kashi Vishwanath mandir’s walls ?

Kushagra Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 6:37 am

Ok

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:14 am

Naveed Khan,
I see a potential terrorist in you but I won’t blame you. It is soft jehadis like Zia who give birth to bigots like you.

If muslims continue to behave like this, non-muslims will run out of patience and you know what will happen next.

If you want a mosque in Ayodhya, we want a temple over Kaaba..and don’t give me ADAM c*rap.

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Naveed Khan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:23 am

Rajeev,

I do not see a human being in you. I see a Hindu Terrorist threatening people devoid of intelligence.
I do not control Kabba, do you? If you do, then you should build a Temple there. Why in your imbecilic way equate destruction of a Masjid in Aydohia to building a temple in Saudi Arabia. It is retarded.

My concern is that Hindu-Extremist do not take over religious place of a minority community by use of force, intimidation and violence. Am I not aware of what Hindu_India did to Sikhs? Were you part of that mayhem as well? Did you participate in the genocide of Gujarat Muslims?

Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:46 am

You have answered my question. You will not negotiate on Kaaba but we have to negotiate on Ayodhya.

You should not worry about hindu-sikh relation because both suffered greatly at the hand of muslims. Then sikhs suffered at the hands of Rahul’s Papaji.

I did not participate in any genocide but it looks like you have good experience. What you pakistani muslims did to bengali hindus in 1970-71 is called genocide not what happend in Gujarat.

You are free to live in your make believe ISlamic world…I think US should have stoned you guys to stone age.

Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am

Only terrorists the world knows about are muslims 9/11, london bombing, spain bombings, Mumbai bombing, murder of the person who drew a great cartoon of ugly mohammad, etc. So the world knows who is the real terrorists.

All mosques are terror HQ’s and need to be pulled down. In NYC that is the sentiment and they do not want that ugly Rabat built near site of WTC. A lot of people know what a Rabat is and how muslims deceive.

Joshua Pedo Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:19 am

This Indian Muslims are shameless. Read the history of Isalmic rule that continued 700 years of slaughtering of Hindus and destru

Joshua Pedo Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

his Indian Muslims are shameless. Read the history of Isalmic rule that continued 700 years of slaughtering of Hindus and destruction of more than 100000 temples and the Muslim rulers built Mosques there. Hindus tolerated so much for this barbaric faith to destroy our Vedic civilization, Other Hindu sacred religious places like Kashi Vishwanath temple and Aurangzeeb the greatest swine of all Muslim ruloer destroyed brick by brick the Krishna Temple in Mathura. Indian Muslims conspired with the British and got Paskitan and now Bangldesh so waht legitimate rightsMuslim has to live in India? We want Muslim, if they do not like to live with Kafir Hindus should go back to Paksitan. Look at the condition of the Hindus In Paksitan.Shame to the Muslims, no wonder whole world is kicking them out, like the Dutch banned Muslim Immigration and deporting them enmass. US deported 200000 Muslims after 9/11 and they are treated like criminal in US. France jsut banned the Burqua, If Muslim do not reconcile with the Hindus no Sonia Maino will able to protect them in future.

Joshua Pedo Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am

Naveed Khan, are you a member of Indian Mujhahedin ? have you read Isalmic barbaric History of India? Do you know the history of Blacks in America? theyere brought to America as slaves and was put on a leash by the white masters and did hard labor for the white masters in the field. So the minority blacks through historical perspective has the rights in America.Political as well as religious rights. But your ancestors the Moguls or other Muslim invaders looted our wealth, destroyed our temples and slaughtered millions of Hindus and forced convert them. Undivided India, Muslims demanded Paksitan, a seperate Muslim country and they got it. So Indian Muslims do not have any minority rights like the Blacks who were brought against their will by the whites. You Indian Muslims belong to Paksitan, Isalmic country and we are reday to take back the few millions slave Hindus in Paksitan back.

Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:25 am

Sunil,
The mosque are the only place of worship where politics is discussed (Khutba) and that is the reason muslms go beserk after friday (jumma) prayers. The one way to deal with muslim fanaticism is to keep intelligence eyes on what goes on inside mosques. The FBI in US keeps eyes on activities in mosque..If they can do it, we should be also able to do it.

The pseudo seculars are just afraid of violence that muslims commit so they keep on siding with muslims without any logic. They are so scared that they won’t mind offering their moms and sis to muslims just to keep them in good humour.

Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am

You can not be a muslims friend and we need to pull down all their HQ’s. There is no place for them in India or elsewhere. Mahatma Gandhi was a big fool an idiot, we should have allowed him to die, when he fasted. The Nerhu/Gandhi family are the same. We need Kranti and soon.

satish Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

why do we all think of others as hindu or muslim or sikh, why not as human only. why do we need to built a temple or a mosque when we already have so many in our country. why we cant make a good garden for our chlidren or a good school or education instution / a hospital which can be used by all indians.

Raghul Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:41 am

It was Gandhi’s fault. Instead of Britishers had been chased away, the donkey-ridden barbarians, who came to India with mass murder weapons, had been driven back to deserts and rocks. Corrupt media and mafia goons now supporting these blood sucking devils to vote bank.

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Joshua Pedo Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

This Indian Muslims are shameless. Read the history of Isalmic rule that continued 700 years of slaughtering of Hindus and destruction of more than 100000 temples and the Muslim rulers built Mosques there. Hindus tolerated so much for this barbaric faith to destroy our Vedic civilization, Other Hindu sacred religious places like Kashi Vishwanath temple and Aurangzeeb the greatest swine of all Muslim ruloer destroyed brick by brick the Krishna Temple in Mathura. Indian Muslims conspired with the British and got Paskitan and now Bangldesh so waht legitimate rightsMuslim has to live in India? We want Muslim, if they do not like to live with Kafir Hindus should go back to Paksitan. Look at the condition of the Hindus In Paksitan.Shame to the Muslims, no wonder whole world is kicking them out, like the Dutch banned Muslim Immigration and deporting them enmass. US deported 200000 Muslims after 9/11 and they are treated like criminal in US. France jsut banned the Burqua, If Muslim do not reconcile with the Hindus no Sonia Maino will able to protect them in future.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

Naveed Khan,

your posts here are proof enough that you are full of hatred for Hindu India. Will you say the same thing (about proof, logic, rationale etc., etc..) about the Al aqsa mosque, from where you Mulsims believe Mohammed rose to heaven?

Indira Gandhi ordered the demolition of the Golden temple, the most sacred temple of the Sikhs, which is also sacred for Hindus too and she was assassinated by her Sikh body guard. But, the Sikhs have later elected congress governments in the state and also at the centre. Therefore, stop your nefarious ****-game of trying to drive a wedge between the Hindus and the Sikhs.

By the way, the Parsees too are a small minority living in India for the last fifteen centuries and not a single Parsee has ever had to say that he has been persecuted by Hindua anywhere In India.

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shan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

@Naveed the one who is awake , but pretending to be asleep. Its very difficult to awake such a person. However just to give you an example to breathtaking ISLAM/ ARABIC BARBARITY.
when arabs conquered NORTH AFRICA, they found the place verdant and lush , remember carthage was built by phonecians . However they found the landscape abbhorent , they wanted arabia transported or otherwise. So THEY DELIBERATELY let the green fields WITHER by calculated indifference. the desertification did not take long.Next Iran , one Iranian doctor told me arabs deliberately wiped out all PERSIAN NAME AND LITERATURE after the conquest(Please ask why Ratan Tata and his family had to leave Iran), only after Shah Abbas the persian names like jamshed , navroz etc began to be adopted.

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It seems that the Muslim mentality in Bharat is still stubborn. Shree Rama Janmabhoomi is a vital issues as far as the progress & development of Bharat is concerned. Bharat can prosper & guide the confused world only through it glorious past based on Hindutva. Does Rahul Gandhi represent Bharat ? I doubt. His upbringing, his ideological moorings cannot & should not be compared with likes of Shri Advani. IIT interaction does not depict true picture of the sensitivity & Shraddha of crores of Hindus throughout the world regarding Ayodhya.

Mandir will be at Janma Bhoomi at all costs. Hindus are ready for all eventualities

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Naveed Khan is a madrassa educated **** bastar..d. In every blog he is spreading hatred against hindus. For him hatred is the truth. He is totally brainwashed and is the next candidate for suicide bomber. The people like him are satan in islam and need to be stoned.

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I am surprised by the content of the article and I strongly disagree with the the author. Its completely biased.

First of all Mr. Rahul Gandhi is playing to the audiance. So far, I have never noticed Mr. Gandhi doing something real and effective. Just fooling the people and enjoying his surname. So far Mr. Advani is concerned, I basically don’t agree with most of his ideas and visions. But I can confidently say that this time Advani has played a constructive role and by the way, he is a strong nationalistic leader and has decisive conviction. The present bunch of Congress leaders basically have no idea on dealing with issues. They only have the time delaying tactics.

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if hindus believe this is where lord ram was born then they should be allowed to build a temple at that site. the issue really isn’t whether he was born there or not, it is one of belief or faith. the fact whether there was a temple or wasnt is not important. the point is that particular spot has little significance for muslims and a mosque can be built at an alternate site.

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Ankit Patel Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

we need more sensible people like saleem in muslim community..i know there are many..they need to come out..

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Guys,

Please don’t respond to Naveed Khan as he is ****. No India Muslim will use the works Hindu_India, State Terrorism, inciting Sikhs etc. These Pakis are frustrated, dejected by their own country and would wish for the same in India

Mr Naveed Khan – India is not Pakistan or Terroristan. Please ****-off

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The man who can change his name from a Sindhi Lalchand Kishenchand Advani to a more Hindu sounding Lal Krishna Advani for political purpose how you expect him to be honest with himself or us??????????

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Everyone makes a great point but only to win their side of the argument not to solve the issue –

Sunil – you are an idi*t. you picked some diktat out of some muslim kingdom and are claiming that you derived this and apartheid from Islam. Did you know the first adhaan from a black slave named Bilal? Islam grew early on because of its revolutionary nature to unite ranks. So stop your bull, either read it properly and quote or sh*t it. we don’t need your ignorance spilling over … i know your predictable first reaction would be some boorish comments but that’s fine.

Naveed / Shan / S Singh : time to be put in the other shoes with factually correct informaion and make some hard decisions?

Shan, Singh – Did what the Advani and RSS / VHP clan do by destroying a religious place of worship, right? Would you have been up there and believe you were doing the right thing by taking it off stone by stone? If so, if it was your place of worship in a foreign land – how would you react? Let’s be realistic here – Mecca and Medina are hypotheticals … let’s also not compare ourselves to saudi arabia and insult this great country …

Naveed – Pinning this one thing as a litmus test for India’s embracing of its own muslim citizens is not right? Muslims and Hindus have co-existed here (remember, same people) … Muslims have thousands of masjids here, i hear the adhaan everywhere … so religious freedom exists here and not every incident is a test of that … Dont u think you want your fellow muslims to take up meaningful causes such as eradicating poverty, education to compete in the modern world? Muslim communities here are so backward and before quickly claiming it as a conspiracy to keep the community behind, walk in to a local madrasa of a modest community and see what they learn / discuss? i think you are a smart guy but instead of spending your energy on calling this a litmus test, help them with curriculum that includes english …

Now, let’s put the facts down …
Goons led by Advani / RSS broke up a place of worship – the whole thing was savagery caught on live TV
Babri masjid wasn’t being really used
This is not about religious freedom as every minority has plenty of it in this country
This is about a political party’s agenda
Rahul gandhi is no saint either but is definitely more forward faced than the current lot ..
if this was your place of worship (symbolic) in a land where you are a minority, how would you feel?

Whatever / however you answer this question is where you stand … if everyone still sticks to their guns, then god help us all …

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shan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

“sai, this is what I wrote in Zia’s earlier blog
No there should not or need not be a WIN/LOOSE SITUATION , IT COULD BE WIN/WIN POSITION. judges are not stupid people. Here is one option which I described in another of your colleagues blog,
THE IDEAL SOLUTION IF ANYBODY IS READING
Turn the place into a MULTI FAITH WORSHIP PLACE. This will force all the communities to meet together and leave their bigotry behind. It will be a single structure with several different areas for different religions, INCLUDING ONE FOR THE INDIAN RATIONALIST ORGANISATION, who will point out PORKYS OF ALL RELIGION by the way of posters etc. The architecture has to be stunning, something akin to a Taj Mahal of 21st century. I can think of only one person who can handle this job. he is FRANK GEHRY. This architecture itself will attract people all over the world and will STAMP THE SECULAR CHARACTER OF INDIA FOR ONCE AND ALL.
In the same blog I said Also hindus shouldn’t have demolished the mosque , DEMOLITION (ICONOCLASM) IS HALLMARK OF ISLAM, thus by that act they are becoming mirror image of muslims

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Good attempt to cover up the mess created by the CWG and the high food prices.THIS IS THE WAY THE JOURNALIST COMMUNITY HELPS THE NATION AND ITS POOR AND NEEDY!cANNOT EVERYBODY SEE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF PROBLEMS BEFORE US!Besides these,Kashmir problem too is being given too much importnace just now.Do you want to have riots in the country when so many foreigners are there here,on a goodwill mission?Could not the judgement have waited for one month more,till the last athlete has left for his home?Do we need supreme court to te;ll this?SHAME ON OUR SYSTEM!NONE OF THE POLITICIAN IS WORTH RUNNING THE GOVT. TODAY,EITHER INSIDE THE GOVT. OR IN OPPOSITION.

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ram temple will come at appropriate time at the place where it was once stood before it was destroyed by mughal barbarians .

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Indian muslims belonging to criminal congress also took part in genocide of sikhs in 1984. It was a purely political riots where bhookey nange muslims took full advantage of the situation.

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Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am

Really??? I mst have dreamed about Hindus killing Sikhs on the train that I was traveling on, that very same day. What can I say – hallucinations can strike without warning!

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

@Rajeev, Then why are all the court cases only against Hindus?? Maybe because the congress was appeasing the Muslims right? hahaha … you are a joke!!

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I feel that-
1. Islam is not a true religion but a bad hybrid of Judaism and christianity.
2. Islam has hitched onto semitic family of religion just to get legitimacy.
3. Islam is basically arabic tribalism + judaic practice + stolen prophets of xtianity and judaism + violence.
4. The story of Kaaba construction is made up story. Mohammad was a LIAR. Kaaba is an occupied Pagan temple.
5. South Asian muslims who make up close to 33% of total muslim population are dalits of muslim world. Can you believe 33% of these slave muslims found no mention in Obama’s Egypt speech?
6. Most the muslims are fanatic to the core with just one goal in mind i.e. supermacy of Islam over others.
7. Educated muslims are far more dangerous than uneducated one..e.g. Jinnah, Iqbal, Syed Ahmed Khan, Zia Haq, Naveed etc. These are the muslims who create terrorist.

The only way to deal with muslim stubbornness is to use brute force on muslim majority lands and make them landless. It is time muslims supermacy (Fascism) is dealt with firm hand.

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Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

You can’t make them landless they will still exist. We need to get rid of them. This is a war that muslims have started and they want to finish us off no matter what and we have to do the same to them.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

@Sunil, seems like a true follower of the Hitler of Gujrat. Did not need to go far to find a ready and willing Hindu terrorist.

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Indian Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am

U all shd be ashamed of urself,for posting such type of religious comments.rather being showing ur identity as hindu / muslim u shd represent urself as an Indian,B4 passing any comments on our leader u shd be aware that bcoz of their sacrifice we all are living an independent life.

mr Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am

you are a fear mongering lunatic….stop wasting your time at rss bootcamps and get some decent education…..ha!

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am

@Rajeev, Can you give any proof of points 4 and 5 you have mentioned above? Or just because you have said that becomes the truth!! Facts please.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

Please provide me facts from NON_MUSLIM sources that say KAABA was built by prophet ?????.
The population of south asian muslims is 500 million that is 1/3 of total muslim population.

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mr Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

and the same goes for you….stop watching too much tv and reading rss/vhp propoganda material and get some decent education.

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Noor Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

Dear Rajeev,
Do not judge Islam on the basis of its followers, judge it on the basis of its holy booh The Quran. I am sure all your misunderstandings will be cleared.

1. Islam is the truest religion, its not a hybrid of Judaism or Christianity. It is a continuation of the messages brought by Judaism and Christianity. Prophet Mohammad purified the corrupted religions.
2. Islam does not need to hitched onto semitic family of religion just to get legitimacy.
3. Islam is not a mixture of what you have said.
4. The story of Kaaba construction is not a made up story. Mohammad was not a LIAR. Kaaba was purified by Mohammed for the worship of one true god Allah.
5.There is no division in islam on the basis of lower or higher castes only on the basis of faith or taqwa.
6. Most the muslims are not fanatic to the core with just one goal in mind i.e. supermacy of Islam over others.
7. Educated muslims are not terrorist. They also want to lead a peaceful life. They also want jobs.

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

noor,

stop your propaganda.

the whole world is realizing how violent islam is.

someone did an analysis of many different religions books.

Koran has the highest number of words, which incite violence
asks its followers to kill infidels.

koran permits slavery
as per koran i can have slaves and even have sexual relations with captured slave girls.
(this is above and beyond 4 wifes)..

so please do not write garbage.
go and read your own islamic scholars rulings coming from saudi.
(the holiest land in islam)..

they themselves will contradict your writings..

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A certain gentleman has repeatedly demanded that proof be shown that a temple existed in Ayodhya over which a mosque was built. That proof exists. The Archaeological survey of India (ASI) has long submitted a report pointing to strong evidence of a temple below the babri rubble. Some hindu leaders are letting their own cause down by saying this is a matter of faith. That it surely is, but it is additionally an issue where irrefutable proof exists of a temple being broken for a mosque to be built over it. Hopefully the courts will take that into account and deliver a just verdict.

Separately, I am amazed that this prattle of building schools and hospitals is raised only when one talks of Hindu temples and issues. Why does Rahul baba not remember this theme of schools and hospitals when it comes to issues with other faiths? Because Hindus do not vote en masse which other minorities do.

The day that stops, rahul baba will become the biggest supporter of the Ayodhya temple movement.

This call is in bad faith for history knows that Aurangzeb accelerated the temple destruction program of his forefathers and single-handedly championed the destruction of thousands of temples.

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God resides in man’s heart, not in man-made houses: SRK

SRK, agreed, you must also tell, people should not go to Mecca and Madina …

SRK, Let indians resolve Ayodya the way we do, keeping the religion exploiters from both sides out of this.

You dont have to ride on it and be ready to accept what your ancestor religion was publicly.

Do Not be swayed by Middle-east to disconnect from your Indian blood and heritage by their false publicity on lost tribes,
kafir-haram, people of books, etc.

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ofcourse if it was this writer’s way or rahul gandhi’s way india will be either talibanic or catholic.hinduism is our ethos,our values,our soul.our life and we hindus live for or die for.hundreds of civilisation came and left but hiduism survived.hinduism introduced mankind to god,value of life,respecting each other’s faith and true meaning of secularism.to muslims of india i have only one thing to say:shame on you.you fought for a home land for muslims of the subcontinent and refused to go to your promised land.soplease shut up and go to pakistan.i will pay for your train ticket personnally.

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Advani is hardcore hindu terrorist,those they dont know islam my kind request study islam then talk

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Perfect. Go ahead and kill each other.

India shining.

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My religious fanatics are crazier than your religious fanatics!

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Ashish Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:06 am

1. Vote CONgress
2. Understand the Gandhi-Nehru is the “real” Gandhi; all else are imposters.
3. Praise the Glorious 50+ years of CONgress rule; label the non-CONgress eras are dark-ages.
4.. Shastri, Nanda, Rao are convenient scapegoats for all major or minor embarrassments of CONgress rule.
5. Everyone not following rules 1,2,3,4 are political retards.
6. Finally, job-security in mainstream media is ensured by following rules 1,2,3,4,5

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tk Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am

THE MOST CORRUPT PARTY IN THE WORLD CONGRESS!!
IDIOTS LIKE ASHISH STILL BELIEVE MAFIAS! GO AND LICK THE SHAMELSS CONGIES

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Vinay Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Have you heard of anything called “sarcasm”? Somebody’s statement: “Irony is wasted on the stupid.”

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

Ashish,

One eighth class student in Karnataka recently replied, to a question, ‘who is Mahatma Gandhi’ that Mahatma Gandhi is a relative of Sonia Gandhi. This is what our “young people” are learning today. Therefore, it is no wonder the government once gave an affadavit in the supreme court that there is no such person called ‘Lord Ram’ and that it was all a myth. Most of our young people would go along with that kind of education.

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Ashish Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

@Vinay,
I worked really hard to earn fulsome praise as a congress lackey; now you go and spoil it all. I was hoping that finally I would get a call to join the Congress, at least as a primary member if not get a call up to the Rajya Sabha (see even I have a price!)

@B.V.Shenoy,
don’t even get me started on what passes for education in our children’s schools.. sad.

Binoy Hegde Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

@Ashish

When u say “sad” is it in government schools or also in private schools? Or, do both follow the same syllabus?

Ashish Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 12:16 am

@Binoy Hegde,
well, this is a digression; but, the syllabus is the same and for the “social sciences” like History, Geography and Civics- every school follows NCERT in Delhi; either in Hindi (that would be lot of the aided/ government schools) and the so called public (actually private!) schools.
Now, it also depends on the delivery. Lest it be misconstrued, the books have not yet sunk to that level of “saffron for Hindus and green for Muslims” kind of nonsense. It is the teacher who does not know any better. And, this is in one of the better known schools.
@BV Shenoy,
Well, I am a non-believer myself (responding to the last para of yr post.). To be honest, I would not have any problems declaring Lord Rama as a mythological figure. But, you know, you or any Hindu will never kill me for it. Which is why, I feel safe and proud calling myself a Hindu.
The point about the Ram Temple is not about whether Ram existed or not; I am quite definite he did not. But, a large number of folks seem to think he did and that was his birthplace.
It is just a property dispute as far as Muslims are concerned. Whereas, for Hindus it is not JUST a property dispute.
@All on this blog, please google Deganga. You will never expect sickular media to report the story.

shan Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

What exactly happened in deganga. It is not true print media did not cover it , all major papers did. Apparently muslims had constructed a wall around the muslim burial ground. This new wall had blocked access to a hindu temple. So some of them probably tried to take it down. Islam as usual , without any forethought goes around and beats hindus , sets some shops to fire and mobs did a la kashmiri youth , stone pelting. What does it prove. We can safely hammer the last nail on the coffin of marxist, and all the falsehood they represent. But then again there has been NELLIE MASSACRE , so folks shouldn’t get disheartened.This again reveals the muslim quom. A saying about them is apt here. If somebody tells a muslim , “look the eagle is running away with your ear , the muslim before cheking whether the ear is still attached to the side of his head or not runs after the eagle with only one muqsad “jihad”. This is the very reason what precipitated gujrat progrom. It is like I am trying to burn quoran in pakistan , These muslims knowing they make only 13% of the population is completely blind to reality.

shan Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

@Ashish, the know all salesman. Further digression. Let me enlighten you about the origin of public schools, from the mother country of public schools. Schools were founded by the monarchy ?1000 yrs ago in England. The viking queen sent her children to GRAMMAR SCHOOL. somewhere in east anglia(that is near cambridge). I guess it was called grammar school because only thing they studied was latin grammar. The public schools are schools founded by PUBLIC(Yeh public hai jo sab janti hai) in distinction to monarchy, bit this was probably only 200 yrs ago. This is where the term public school has come. I am writing this in between doing flexible cystoscopies, as a release from the stress of breaking bad news to patients. I have at home a book on public schools , feel free with your queries about education in general , as you know by now my reach is pretty wide , just like in surgery.
@Rajeev, Sincere apologies , I just had a pakistani punjabi patient , who was obviously embarrased to have a cystoscopy done by a male doctor. In order to make her feel at ease , I asked was about basant festival
i WASN’T PREPARED FOR THIS BOMB SHELL . apparently BASANT IS BANNED IN PAKISTAN , though the lady said in her youth she took part in basant and flew kites

Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

Shouldn’t you then blame it on BJP, as they are in power in Karnataka, for the same reason you seem to blame Congress for all the ills the country faces.

IMO, if you need to pin the blame then that has to be on the political class as a whole. These people irrespective of the party they belong to and very much our own have let us down very badly. We need politicians, who are efficient, not corrupt and not divisive.

Hey Rajeev, Naveed and the other Sunil – why don’t you exchange addresses and go and kill each other and spare us all this bigoted, uninformed nonsense?

You guys are the lowest of low – all three of you.

Just to make things clear – I am the ‘good’ Sunil!

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

You are a fattu Sunil.

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What you lack in substance, you try to make up in venom. What is with you Muslims that your rights come before anybody elses? Anywhere you go, you expect the majority to change their ways to comply with your requirements. Perhaps you should look at the backlash in countries like France, Belgium, Switzerland, to name a few, before frothing in the mouth. Mend your ways before the majority in India decides that they have had enough.

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Nadeem
Is the pubic hair of mohammed in Hazrat Bal in Kashmir is for real. Can you guys do some dna tests of the pubic hair and confirm its of mohammed. If you do that and confirm then we will believe.Then we will talk about whether Ayodhya is Lord Ram’s birth place or not.

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Nadeem

Is the p*bic hair of mohammed in Hazrat Bal in Kashmir is for real. Can you guys do some dna tests of the p*bic hair and confirm its of mohammed. If you do that and confirm then we will believe.Then we will talk about whether Ayodhya is Lord Ram’s birth place or not.

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Nadeem khan

Do you have any proof of the pubic hair of mohammed in Hazrat bal in kashmir.. Get the proof of that and we will get the proof of Ram’s birth place in Ayodhya

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There is really no “Muslim” place in India; for, if we go by land titles, any Muslim place at one time in history was confiscated from soembody who is not Muslim, because Muslim faith was not the original inheritor.

Questioning Rama was born in Ayodhya or whether Rama ever lived is like questioning the immaculate conception of Mother Mary. Will Muslims ever give away Mecca and Medina?

If the trsut deficit increases between majority and minority community due to this, let it be. Thousands of mosques have been created, and are still being created in every part of India without any issue or without any problems from the majoprity community.. Looks like that is not helping to bridge the trust deficit. . Muslim kings, Muslim chieftains, and some Muslim people have destroyed many temples in the past (pre independence), running in thousands. . No Hindu ruler or hindu chieftains or Hindu people have ever destroyed a Muslim or other belief’splaces of worship. Of course, Muslims of today cannot and should not be blamed for those destructions; however they should be aware of that history.

So, dont bring the **** of trust deficit.

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SHAME on all u belligerent idiots (the ones busy spewing hatred on this blog)! how easy it is to incite you – and its because of fools like you that politicians are easily able to manipulate our imbecile population into seving their purpose!
‘Hindu-India’; ‘Islamic – Terrorist’; Hindu-terrorist’!! All of u get out of India – the normal peace loving people dont want you here…

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Babari Masjid – Full History

1949 On December 23rd, Muslims finished their night prayer and left to their home. A shock was waiting for them, who came for fajr prayer. Inside the Mosque a mob kept Rama, Laxamana, Sita statues and claimed that their God took avatar (appeared) inside the mosque and they started agitating against innocent Muslims.

An FIR was filed at faizabad police station. Afterwards central and state government banned Muslims to conduct prayer inside the mosque and this became one of the important issue in Indian history.

Then Innocent Hindu’s mind were brain-washed with hatred feeling against Muslims by spreading a false propaganda that “Babri Majid was built by demolishing Ram Temple”

If the propaganda of Saffron Group ” Babri majid was built after demolishing Ram Temple” is true then no Muslims will fight for this issue. Because in Islam, demolishing other religious Temple is strictly prohibited. Due to their false claim about Ram Temple, Muslims are fighting to get back their mosque.

We don’t want to divert the subject by exposing the comment of Chatterji, AK majumdhar, Nehru that RAM is an imaginary character.

Because the subject is to discuss by doing research whether any Ram temple exists in the disputed location ? Whether Majid was built in that location by demolishing Ram temple? Not about the existence of Ram or whether it is imaginary character or not!!!

Even Ram is an imaginary character; no Muslims will accept the demolition of Ram temple and build a mosque in that location.

Was Ram born at Ayodhya ?

We’ll see how the claim of Ram born in that disputed location will be true.

Whatever the decision Hindus want to take, it should not be fundamentally taken from the comment of RSS or any other saffron organization. It should be taken from Hindus Vedas and Purunas. In fact, it would be opposite to Hindu ideology, if some decision taken apart from this jurisdiction of Vedas.

Valmiki wrote first about Ram and his words explained everything about Ram in crystal clear format. Valmiki explained in his Ramayana that he born at DHIREDHA Yuga.

A basic measurement unit of time, to denote the Hindu’s belief of time is Yuga. There are four Yugas.

Kirudha yuga 17,28,000 ( 17 lakhs, 28 thousands ) years
Dhiredha Yuga 12,96,000 ( 12 lakhs, 96 thousand) years
Duvaba Yuga 8,64,000 ( 8 lakhs, 64 thousand ) years
Kali Yuga 4,32,000 ( 4 lakhs, 32 thousand ) years

Now we are living in the time of Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga starts before 3102 years of Christ. Now 2009 finished after Christ. So 5110 years finished after kali yuga starts.

Duvaba yuga was before Kali Yuga and Ram didn’t born during this time. Before this was Dhiredha Yuga and even Ram born during last stage of this Yuga and according to Valmiki Ramayana’s Judgment ” Ram should have born before 8,69,110 years ( 8,64,000 + 5110 )

Like Valmiki Ramayana told about Ram’s Yuga, he specified the birth place too that is “He born at Ayodhya city ”
That means ” Ayodhya” should exists before 8 Lakhs, 64 thousand years. A report was submitted on 1976, 77 by central government archeological department regarding ” when Ayodhya appeared?”. This report in its 52, 53 page explained that “A place name called Ayodhya in which people started dwelling was before 700 BC.

That means, before 2708 years, there would be no Ayodhya according to their archeological research.

Afterwards this was re-researched by C.P.Lal and K.N Theetjit , a notable historian. They also found that it was true whatever the archeological department found.

Valmiki told that Ram born before 8 lakhs 69 thousand years at Ayodhya, but it is crystal clear that there was nothing called Ayodhya at that time.

How Hindus can conclude by neglecting Ramayana and archeological finding?

The age of this Ayodhya is 2708 years. But this is not the one explained by Ramayana. May be it is in different place. It is general to find many places in the same name. By considering these facts, they have to come for conclusion, which will not contradict with Ramayana and research facts.

There is lot of testimonials in Ramayana that Ram born at Ayodhya which is different from the existing one.

While speaking about Ayodhya, Ramayana spoke about Sarayu River. Sarayu River exists 1.5 yojan distances from Ayodhya. (1.5 yojan means 23 kilometers )

Even though there’s one river called Sarayu at Ayodhya, it’s running inside the city, not 23 kilometers away from the city.

That means, Ayodhya and Sarayu River told by Ramayana is not the existing one. Ramayana teachings will be correct when you believe Sarayu River flows 23 kilometers away from Ayodhya.

People are simply neglecting Hinduism, if they consider existing Ayodhya is same like Ayodhya explained in Ramayana.

Also Valmiki Ramayana explains that “ Sarayu River join with Ganga”. But this Sarayu River mingles with Raabthi River. What we learnt from this? Ramayana doesn’t denote this Ayodhya and Sarayu river. Also Valmiki Ramaya explains Sarayu river flows from east to west. But Sarayu river in UP flow from west to east.

A researcher, Saer Singh Identified a truth. There is one Ayodhya at Nepal. 20 kilometers away from that city one river is flowing from east to west. Also it mingles with Ganga.

So, those who believe Ram born at Ayodhya, which is at Uttarpradesh, are neglecting Ramayana and its ideology.

Real Ayodhya should be one, which was explained by the Ramayana with all testimonials.

was Ram temple existed at Ayodhya ?

Babar Majid was build at 1528. We’ll see whether any truth present with the opinion of ” Mir Baahi” a minister of Baber, who was accused for demolishing Ram Temple in the disputed location”

RSS claimed that Ram temple was built by king Vikramathithya. Vikramathidya is general name like Chola,Pandya kings. Chandra Gupta, samutra Gupta kings are called in the name of Vikramathidya.

They contradict in specifying the actual king who really built the Ram temple. There is not fact in their claim.

Gupta kings ruled some part of U.P during the period 300 AD to 1100 AD. These kings who ruled for 800 years are called as Vikramathidya.

During the period 300 AD to 1100 AD, there was not even a smell of human at Ayodhya, according to the chief of Indian Archeological department.

P.P Lal who submitted research report and was published at famous magazines” The Week” (25.02.1990) and “Sunday Times” (20.11.1987 ). In that report, after showing several evidences, he was confidently explained that, at Ayodhya during that period of 300 – 1100 AD, there was no human, building, temple or anything.

In some place, which is untouched by human, how can they build a temple? How Baber can demolish a temple which was not existed? I request Hindu Brothers and sisters to think about this.

When Ram was worshipped as God?

If temple to be built for Ram, it should be built after Ram was worshipped as God. Now Hindus are worshiping Ram as God, but they didn’t do it before. Ram was not considered as God, Especially during the period of 300-1100 AD, which was claimed by RSS, the time when Ram temple was built.

Amar Simha of AD 600, released many Sanskrit Poetry resources in the name of ” Amara Kosa”. In that, those who are worshipped as God in India were specified. Ram name was not in the list. So Hindus during that period were not considering Ram as GOD’s Avatar and its considered as big testimonial.

A Sadhu called Lakhsmidhar, collected the information of all sacred place up to 11th century (until last time of Gupta Dynasty). Ayodhya Ram temple is not existed in that.

If Ram temple was build during Gupta period, why it was not included in the list of sacred place?

Same like that, S.S.Iyer , a notable research scholar, published book called ” Indian Temples, Historic notes”. He didn’t specify anything about Ram temple. He noted five temples which was built by Vikramathidya. Ayodhya Ram temple is not there.

At 1989 November 12, IAS officer Ramachandra Kadri wrote one article at “Radiance”. He referred so many evidences with Encyclopedia like Britannica and comment that only after 1100 AD, Ram was worshipped as God.

That means, until the last period of Gupta kings, Ram was not worshipped as God. Can any Hindu who has real conscience, believe that Ram temple was build during the Gupta period?

If we want to tell more clearly, Valmiki wrote Ramayana in Sanskrit. Sanskrit was not popularly spoken by all people and only Brahmins knew about that. Because of this Ram was not considered as God.

Valmiki Ramayana was translated and released in Hindi by Tulsi Das. After that, Ramayana was very famous among people. After Tulsi Das translated Ramayana in Hindi, people start considering Ram as God’s Avatar.

What’s the time of Tulsi Das ? Tulsi Das Lived during the period of Baber (in Ayodhya ), which was claimed for demolition of Ram temple. Baber ruled during 1500 AD and Tulsi was living under that rule.

Ramayana was translated in Hindi during the rule of Baber and that time Ram was not considered as God. So it becomes true that Hindu people didn’t have any knowledge about him.

How Ram was worshiped as GOD when Ramayana was not spread across people? How temple was build for him? Dear Hindu Brothers and sisters, think about this.

India’s first president was Dr. Radha Krishnan. His son Gopal who was good Hindu devotee and very good research scholar too. In his research article, he proclaimed that “There was no temple for Ram before 1750 AD, in any part of India. He confidently declared that “All Ram temple belongs to 18th century”.

if Ram temple was not existed before 200 years, how Baber demolish Ram temple at Disputed location of Ayodhya. I request every citizen, to think about this.

The truth is, the foundation of Babri Majid was laid by Ibrahim Lodi, on 1524. He was unable to continue the service for long time and he was killed in war by Baber. Then, Baber build a Majid, with the foundation laid by Ibrahim Lodi. So it is untrue to tell that Baber demolished the temple.

Will Baber Demolish temple ?

So far, the evidences provided here is enough for everyone, who can really able to distinguish between good and bad. For debate purpose, even though if any temple was there in the disputed location, Baber would not demolish that.

Because, in same Ayothya, for five temples like Hunumangiri ,Jenmasthan, Baber provided incentives by writing in brass . This been safeguarded still now by temple management and was reiterated with evidences by Ramrasha Thiribathi.

How a person will demolish a temple, who provided incentives to many temples?

Also the population of Muslims during Baber reign would be meager when compared with present population. Sovereignty of the kingdom will be maintained only by the support of majority Hindus. Baber would be thrown-out from his throne, by agitators of Hindu Majority, if their temple was demolished. No king will be involved in such activities, if he really wants to retain his power.

Hindus during that time were not involved in any riots or agitation, but only welcomed all Mughal heirs like Babar, his son Humayun, his son Akbar. This shows the courtesy and kindness were showered by Mughal emperors towards Hindu majority.

During the last time of Baber, he wrote one WILL to his son Humayun written in Persian language and it is been preserved still today at Central government’s National museum at Delhi. In that he gave advise as “Dear son, you are going to rule a country where Hindus are in majority. They are respecting COW as God. So don’t eat Cow’s meat (Beef) at any instance.

How a Good Citizen can believe that Baber demolished a temple, who advised his son to renounce the eating habit of Cow’s meat (beef)?

Guru Nanak who founded Sikh religion was considered as big enemy during Baber’s reign. He rigorously opposed Baber, especially for the issues related with women. If Baber demolished the temple, he would have indicated that with his strong resentment. But history commenting that he went to Ayodhya and enjoyed the beauty of Babri Majid’s Structure.

Person like him who lived in those years only knew that whether Baber constructed Majid by demolishing temple. In such case, he would never enjoy its building structure.

Some falsely imagine and claim that people didn’t oppose the rule because of Babar’s tyrant nature.

Baber was neither hated by Hindu people nor was he was a tyrant king. This is the truth. For debate purpose, if we consider Baber was a tyrant king, it would not be true.

After Baber, his kingdom was ruled by his son Humayun. After 25 years of Baber’s death, his grandson Akbar ruled the kingdom. He gave up Islam and was following New Religion Din-ilahi, for which he was the founder. Akbar was like a Hindu king and even he got appreciation from many saffron organizations.

If Baber demolished the temple, it should have been noticed by many people who lived during the period of Akbar too. They don’t need to worry about Akbar and they would have asked to rebuild the temple which was demolished by his grandfather. Surely, Akbar would have satisfied such people, if his grandfather would have demolished such structure. People could have requested, only if temple was demolished!!! But there happened no such incidents.

We’ll leave that. Even after the Mughals era was ended by Britishers, this issue was not raised by anyone until 1948. There was no case registered too.

In 200 years rule of British:

No case was registered during British rule against the demolition of mosque and nobody requested British government to get back their temple.

Problem suddenly rose to its full vigor only after December 23, 1949, when a mob placed Ram idol inside the mosque.

In Ayodhya there are more than 30 Temples which manifest about Ram’s birth place. Hindu scholars identified many places as Ram’s birth place and they didn’t include Babri Majid among them.

This was the reality, until saffron group diverted the attention of Hindus by such false claims.

Saffron Group discovered that by evoking extreme hatred among Hindus and Muslims, they can capture the opportunity to rule India from Congress. Finally they captured the rule by cheating innocent Hindu citizens who believe that” All the glitters are Gold “.

Dear Hindu Brothers and Sisters!!!

We’ll strive to preserve the UNITY.

We’ll neglect communal forces, which have vested interest in creating extreme friction to the development of our country.

We’ll work hard for the economic development of our country and for its prosperous future.

Herewith we’ll do oath to respect the Court verdict and not involving in any anti-social elements

In Tamil: please click following link
http://www.tntj.net/?p=7656

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shan Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

@Indian, pretty interesting and somewhat convincing but your assertion about the YUGA TIME SCALE is not true. Go to wikipedia , apparently this is the false reading , the true reading says it is much much smaller.(Incredible the Kal Chakra with the yugas are IN GERMAN, see wikipedia). However this shows Hindus did have some pretty sharp observation about the age of the earth which is at least worth discussing.AND SOMETHING CLOSER TO WHAT SCIENTIST THINK. According to Islam and its forebearers , the EARTH IS FIVE THOUSAND YEARS OLD(AN AREA OF DARKNESS)

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

According to Carl Sagan, hindus are the only one who have ability to measure COSMIC time..Muslims and xtians can’t go beyond few thousand years.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

Indian MUSLIM,
You even got names of Yuga wrong..How about visiting some more Jehadi sites and get more anti-hindu anti-india propaganda..

Kirudha yuga 17,28,000 ( 17 lakhs, 28 thousands ) years – KIRUDHA…
Dhiredha Yuga 12,96,000 ( 12 lakhs, 96 thousand) years – DHIREDHA
Duvaba Yuga 8,64,000 ( 8 lakhs, 64 thousand ) years – DUVABA o)
Kali Yuga 4,32,000 ( 4 lakhs, 32 thousand ) years – You got this right…

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arl Reply:
October 9th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

informative and make sense but what ever we try prove hate mongers never change there attitudes with little knowlege of their own religious books.

this is time all kind harted people of india to unit do not think those group only after perticular comunity like muslim today ,tommorrow if the get power next may be your term like low cast hindus/jain/buddist/sikh christians all minortity community etc if we standing on railway track thinking train will not harm is just foolishness. GOD Bless India.

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Muslims authors and celebrities want to speak up and make hue and cry about ‘injustice’ against muslim interests and never say a single thing against injustice done for 1500 yrs by this voilent religion and the violent followers of this religion.

This can happen only in tolerent, democratic India.

But you can’t change the fact that Muslims and Islam violent & source of terrorism.
The whole world knows now.

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Zia, I think you can do better than give publicity to people who spread hate. Advani and the Hitler of Gujrat come in that category. Advani did try to rise out of the RSS fold but he was pulled in line very quickly. The young generation cares more about the living standard and the intelligence of others rather than the Mosque/Temple and the religion of others. All religion teaches good things and we should use that to get to a common ground rather than digging the past and blaming each other for the mistakes in the past. Thats how India will go forward.

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Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

Your comments would carry more weight if you were to use your real name and not Sword of Allah. By using such an alias, you are no different from the very same people who you do not agree with and who also use similar aliases. Have the guts to use your real name.

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Samir Banerjee Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

Zia and people like you are the ones who spread real hatred.Hatred,violence,arson and treachery is in the blood of you people.You people have been doing it for the last 1000 years culminating in the creation of Pakistan in 1947 and the present J&k problem.You people are a curse upon any nation.The whole world knows that. Advani and Modi are real patriots who had the moral courage to hold their ground against ISLAMIC TERRORISM

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Sunil Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

Do tell us what the RSS has done? What terrorist acts have they committed? Do tell us when the RSS marched in as muslims have and invaded other nations? The real NAZI’s are muslims.

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Naushad Ahmad Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 11:33 am

In last 60 years all riots and 90% bomb blast In India is done by RSS. One of its trained pracharak of RSS went on to kill the spirit of Indian-ness, father of the Indian nation, Mahatma Gandhi.
Read the RSS history you will learn thier real patriotism.
They were never a part of national movement.
Its patriotism was sleeping when the whole nation was struggling against British rule.
After all,
when the founding fathers of RSS, Hedgewar and Golwalkar, were busy in sycophancy of the British masters,
the rest of Indians including the Muslims were standing together and giving sacrifices for independence.
In 1920, when the entire nation was standing with Gandhi and the imperialists were losing never against the tsunami of pro-independence emotion, British government accepted the apology of VD Savarkar
who was in jail then and released him on the condition that he would form an organisation that will divide Hindus and Muslims.
Any student of history will tell that soon after his release Sawarkar wrote his book ‘Hindutva’.
On the basis of the book and the narrow Hindutva ideology espoused by him, RSS was formed by a ‘doctor’ in 1925.
Later Hedgewar scripted his scheme for causing discord between Hindus and Muslims, which gave relief to British as communalism spread its tentacles.
For 27 years, nationalist movement remained at its peak but not a single RSS leader was jailed though
tens of thousands of Indians were incarcerated in this period. While it kept a distance from freedom movement,
RSS leaders’ names came up during the course of investigation in the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi.

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shan Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

@Naushad, Post Script, the original board of directors of RSS corp, wereALL BRAMHINS, albeit Marathi.

REGHU Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

I THINK YOUR NAME YOU JUST HIDE BECAUSE OF YOU SCARED TO FACE PEOPLE, THAT MEANS YOU THE 11 NTH PERSON WHO COMING FROM PAKISTAN AND ATTACK MUM BAI TWO YEAR BEFORE. YOU CAN ONLY SPREAD HATE NOT ADVANI OR ANYBODY, ADVANI ONLY EXPRESS BHARATH CULTURE, THAT SAING AYODHYA WAS A RAM TEMPLE AND TERRERIST BABAR DEMOLISH THAT TEMPLE AND BUILD BABAR BUILDING.

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Manoj Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 10:34 am

Mr Zia there was conflict ever since the creation of Babri mosque. And there is proof that the place was birth place of Lord Ram. Because babri maszid was otherwise called as masjid-e-Janmasthan. That means the builder of mosque were well aware of the fact. In the vast country of India wasn’t there any other place to build a mosque. Why that certain place. Because Babri masjid was only built to humiliate Hindus. And humiliating other religions is not allowed in secularism. So Babri masjid demolition was a symbol of secularism.

@Sword of Allah. Your name in the blog itself shows how secular you are. The Gujrat riot was a reaction to the Godhra train burning case. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This is the law of physics. But as per the human sentiment is concerned the reaction may be more and less. may be peaceful or violent. So before burning the train the mischievers should have think twice that it might harm their community. why don’t you talk of Kashmiri Pandits ? who had to leave their homeland for decades.

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“Rahul Gandhi, talking to a gathering of IIT students in Guwahati, said education and jobs”.

Of course you can keep blabbering always. Anyone tell me what else he is doing? Going to dalit home in aam aadmi dress, media will show he having lunch/ dinner whatever it is with them, some time will go to colleges in modern dress ( i wont mind his dress) speak about his visions, dreams, of course talking is more than enough (he might have realized that in this era of politics talking is more than enough). I would say rather he might have shown his skills in conducting the CWG well. What if he formed a chorus of young MPs regardless of party and did something for this. Definitely being Gandi”? Gandhi (you read through) he had the power for that.

TO conclude, I never agree with Adwani as well.

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Some really really angry people are writing comments to this column. Forget all these petty issues – after the embarassment that the country has suffered due to CWG, what we need now is a leader who will buck this trend of negativity and provide a vision for great achievements – thousands of Kms of roads, express trains, new towns, airports, ports, education for all in 10 years etc. – that India can and should undertake. We need to be united in this hour of great shame and for that we need a GREAT LEADER who can make us rise above ourselves.

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shobhna Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am

thanks Rajesh, for the 1st sensible comment on this blog. what a sorry picture we paint for the rest of the world – a country so caught up in century old non-issues, that it forgets the basic requirements of its populace – food, water, health & hygiene. if only man could live by religion alone, we would be as well off as our neighbours in Pakistan!

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Sam Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

If religion is not important,,

please tell that to Muslim Personal board, which got the Shah bano case judgement nullified.

it all started with muslims asking for special rights..

they never feel part of india, always asking for extra favours
but at the same time, do not want to participate and solve India’s problems..

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rahman Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

very true….we have greater issues to worry about….
floods for one….

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Prabhu Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

Really there are lots and lots of crisis situations in India that needs to be taken care of.. But why to make this particular verdict a greater issue.. I believe it is Ram or Allah or Jesus or Budha or whatever God you believe all are ONE .. HE never said to kill your brothers for a piece of land……Check out Sabarimala temple in Kerala.. you have to Pray to Lord Baabar (mussalman) before you start trekking to sabarimala , temple of lord Ayyappa (Hindu)..This indicates religious harmony in ancient days……

According to me instead of building a Mosque or Temple on the land of dispute , Its better to build a HOME for the SPECIAL Children or a HOSPITAL that can be free of cost for all the poors out there………

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Sam Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

>you have to Pray to Lord Baabar (mussalman) before you start trekking to sabarimala , temple of lord Ayyappa (Hindu)

Do any muslims do anything similar ?

or is it only Hindus who are required to “pray” for non-hindu ?

looks like secularism is fine, as long as Hindus are forced to do this.

but if you ask muslims to do “similar” things, it is a crisis..

Rahmath Reply:
October 1st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

Prabhu,

No one prays to Babur and he is not a lord.He was the friend of Ayyappan swami. Yes they pray “at” Babur’s mosque which is supposed to have been where he used ot pray. As you said it is a great example of unity.

I am glad there are people like us who can see both sides.there are many comments in this blog about kaaba not allowed for non muslims yet they forget the guruvayoor temple and the pathmanabhaswami temple which in in trivandrum which is not allwoed for non hindus. its purely faith which matters yet there are some who deliberalty dont want to understand.

By the way , my husband goes to sabarimala whenever he can , hence my knowledge on it

If Ram Mandir was not an important issue, why did Rahul Gandhi’s father allow the shilanyas for the Ram Mandir in 1986? And why did he further, permit opening of the locks to the Ram Janmabhoomi complex, allowing the continuation of pooja-path? Therefore, much as our secular media may like to mislead the nation with half-boiled ideas like the young not wanting the mandir to be built in Ayodhya and the country having “moved on”, the issue is very much relevant. No Muslim young man wants the Hindus to get the judgement in their favour and every one of them want that the mosque should be re-built, even by destroying the existing Ram Mandir.

Will Rahul Gandhi also admit that his father was foolish, immature and pro-Hindu?

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Nyayman Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

Mr.Shenoy,
As far as “Hindutva” is concerned , there is very little to choose between Congress and BJP! The
former suffers because of its “Soft Hindutva” and the latter is guilty of its “Hardcore Hindutva!”In short BJP is the” Post card”and Congress “Inland Letter”!
A medieval structure with three domes existed as Babi Masjid at Ayodhya from 1528 till kar sevaks razed it to the ground on 6th December, 1992.Sunny Muslim Waqf Board of Ayodhya has valid title to that property!
On the other hand the Hinu groups claim is only on the basis of their “Faith” only!The oldest textof Ramayan is supposed to be writen by Valmiki! It is deemed one of the two epics of Ancient India!Tulsidas’ “RamCharitra Manas”written by him at Ayodhya during Baber’s reign only led people to deify Lord Ram and he was worshpped as an incarnation of Vishnu after 175o A.D. only.(Dr.S.Gopal avers that)
Secondly,religious texxts of earlier times do not include Ayodjya as a sacred place!Valmikis reefrences about River Sarayu then and Sarayu now are at a tangent!Yet vociferously they demand the site as theirs!

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H P Narang Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

Well said Shenoy. It is being argued that a young Hindu generation has arrived who is not bothered about whether the site is in fact Ram’s Janamasthan or not. Yes, this generation is perhaps more involved in their daily enjoyments of life as their upbringing has been in a westernised way of life. But, when the time comes, they will definitely stand-up for saving their civilisation from the barbarians who are still adament to force more divisions of our motherland. Also, there is still a vast Hindu majority who are, by and large faithful to their civilisational moorings and do remember the historic facts that barbarians from other lands invaded them, destroyed their temples, looted their wealth, forcibly married Hindu girls and forcibly converted Hindus to their religion. It is largely these converts who are occupying a part of our motherland now known as Pakistan and Bangladesh and half of them are still living here in what is left of Hindustan. We, the older generation who have passed through turbulent times before and after partition, have’nt forgotten the recent past. It, therefore hurts a lot to hear that those who decided to stay here still do not appreciate that for a matter of such immence faith they, for once, not only agree to vacating the Janamasthan, but also participate in the construction of a magnificent Ram Temple, for, afterall, they largely belong to the same ancestoral moorings to which Hindus belong.

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WE HAVE PROOF A TEMPLE EXISTED BELOW THE BABRI RUBBLE. TEH ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF INDIA SAID SO MUCH IN A REPORT SUBMITTED TO THE ALLAHABAD HIGH COURT.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

No they did not. They found some utensils and thats about it. By the way there are idols under the Taj Mahal and the Qutab Minar. Why not break them as well and lets make mandirs there.

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guest Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

How about the pubic hair of mohammed in Hazrat Bal in kashmir. Do you have proof that the pubic hair there is that of Mohammed’s. All they found is one pubic hair being worshipped by dumb *** morons lifting their butt like jack ***.

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Hemant Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 11:17 am

Please do not talk rubbish, hiding behind a false name.

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Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

That is one of the issues the courts are supposed to decide, so do not jump the gun and assert that there was a temple.

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ishwar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

the fact is there is a temple there now… Babri Masjid has been demolished…whether you like it or not.

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Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

For the same precise reason, the matter is in the court.

syed Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

Dear,
This type of remarks makes you an extremist, and for your information, i am working in Gulf country and many of our Hindu and Christian brothers are working with us, all together without making them differentiated as Hindu or Muslim or Christian. even Muslim employers don;t make partiality in requiting other religion people, then why you are making many of us divide by such comments, taking any property forceful from other is not at all allowed.

for example:
if a parson forcibly rapes a women and say that now i have raped her and she is my wife. how it is acceptable.

Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

>all together without making them differentiated as Hindu or Muslim or Christian. even Muslim employers don;t

Which country are you working in ?
you are telling there is partiality or religious favouritism in Gulf ?
are you joking..

Let hindus demand to build a SINGLE TEMPLE in saudi.
we will see this joke of “no partiality” exposed…

no wonder so many outright lies about islam are originated and propagated from Gulf countries..

There is lot of ranting and hatred. There is lot of Bigotry and deception. There are lot of words and bravado. There is lot of pent up frustration by Hind_India on this blog. There is no cogent proof that Babri Masjid was a temple at the Birth place of Ram. No proof. No logic. No moral reasoning. Just intimidation. Just use of raw power of the majority to subdue and subjugate the minority. That is all I see. I see no rationale in muzlims demanding to take over the Ram janma bhoomi to Build a Mosque..
If Muzlims succeeds by share use of force and violence, then I believe there will other places demanded by Muzlims.. If Muslims takes over the place, I would consider it theft and robbery. I would call it Islamic terrorism to humiliate and subjugate the majority, deny them freedom of religion. It would shatter the facade of Indian secularism and democracy.
Hindus of India must stand up and fight for their rights otherwise they would just be eliminated. Take lesson from Sikhs. They were crushed, physically, morally and religiously and expelled out of pakistan. Today, Sikhism is considered non existant in pakistan . Sikhs do not have the courage to even demand a separate religious status for themselves in pakistan. Same as with shias and ahmedias.
Forcibly taking over of Ram janma bhoomi is last step towards extermination of Hinduism in India under the guise of Islamic Umma.

Dont forget to get the proof of pubic hair of mohammed in mohammed and any other such replica of Adam in Mecca then we will think of proof of Ram’s birth at Ram janmabhoomi

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Another message without any logic. Ok for argument sake … my god was born where vaishno devi is 2500 years ago… give it to my religion and we will create our prayer place there. I have no proof but you should give it to me because I say so. If you dont give it to me how will you feel if I come and take varanasi because you dont have any proof that it was made by hindus as well. This is what people here seem to say. Learn to live in peace and not become like Pakistan.

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Hemant Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 11:22 am

This man is a crazy man having absolutely no knowledge. That is why hiding behind a false name.

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There is lot of ranting and hatred. There is lot of Bigotry and deception. There are lot of words and bravado. There is lot of pent up frustration by Muzlims on this blog. There is no cogent proof that Mohammed’s pubic hair exists at Hazrat Bal exists in Kashmir. No proof. No logic. No moral reasoning. Just intimidation. Just use of raw power of the minority to subdue and subjugate the majority.. That is all I see. I see no rationale in Muzlims demanding that pubic hair of mohammed exists in Hazrat Bal. Thats all bull shit. Same with the replica of Adam exists in Kaaba.

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Reading the article, I felt very low that there is no one in India who cares about the cause of Hindu’s. Every one is divine when considering Non-hindus and when it comes to thinking about hindus, they all feel like eating this race away. But, it is heartening to see people raising their voice against such healess articles. When they praise Rahul’s concern, do they forget the situation of Bharat after the secular/liberal rule of Rahul’s forefathers. A country which is not even able to manage common-wealth games in 7 years…and they talk about progress and jobs and developing India. See, Gujarat… how is has progressed after Modi took it over… You can’t make wake up someone who is sleeping with open eyes….

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

There we go another supporter of the Hitler Of Gujrat. Thats what most anti-nationals here want. To see a hindu dictator who will kill all those who oppose him muslims or otherwise. The case going on in gujrat regarding where even a hindu cannot go to the court without any fear right now is the best example. Havent you guys seen what is happening in Pakistan. Dictators are good only for some time. Even Musharraf was good for some time.

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ishwar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

Mr. Modi is a democratically elected leader of the state. I think there isn’t a better way to elect your leader. You may call him by any name of your choice, however; please don’t compare him with a Porkistani.

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Dear Moderator,

Why are my comments “subject to moderation”? Are you black-lisitng me for my views? More explosive, offensive and hateful views are published without the “moderation”, like the views expressed by Naveed Khan. If you do not want me to ‘contribute’ my comments, please delete them Na dI would stop writing on your fora.

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Vijay Bhatia Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am

This has been debated many times: Ram Janmabhumi is a matter of faith. So the argument about evidence if Ram was born right at that place is settled. Also it has been established that the mosque was built after destroying a temple at that site. Also the fact that the mosque is of little religious value to Muslims, compare to religious value of the site to Hindus.
Building a temple is not looking back, as author seem to think, it is a matter of setting right that was done wrong. Saluting national flag is symbolic, but very important. Same is the case with honoring the sentiments of millions of Hindus who draw strength from character of Rama, the Maryada Purshottama who symbolizes goodness that this nations believes in and is very proud of.

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Sword Of Allah Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

You cant right every wrong in history. Some you can. If there is proof that there was a temple there I dont think Muslims would have any issues in giving up the land. The problem is some Hindu terrorists didnt want to prove that there was temple and took the place by force and demolished it illegally. How about punishing them? Wont that be correcting a wrong? How about punishing the killers in Gujrat? wont that be correcting a wrong? or wrongs to be corrected only when Muslims did the wrong?

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ishwar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

That’s the problem with u katwas. When u are in power, u give a damn to the feelings of people of other religion and when in minority start cribbing about law and rule and human rights and secularism…

Prabhu Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

Really there are lots and lots of crisis situations in India that needs to be taken care of.. But why to make this particular verdict a greater issue.. I believe it is Ram or Allah or Jesus or Budha or whatever God you believe all are ONE .. HE never said to kill your brothers for a piece of land……Check out Sabarimala temple in Kerala.. you have to Pray to Lord Baabar (mussalman) before you start trekking to sabarimala , temple of lord Ayyappa (Hindu)..This indicates religious harmony in ancient days……

According to me instead of building a Mosque or Temple on the land of dispute , Its better to build a HOME for the SPECIAL Children or a HOSPITAL that can be free of cost for all the poors out there………

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

I consider APJ Kalam greatest living Indian. I think hindus and muslims should ask a decision for us. If he decides in favor of muslims, I’ll accept him because I have full faith in his honesty.

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Vikram Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

man that is stupid

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Rajeev Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 12:46 am

If people can make stupid statement like “Create a hospital or interfaith center or toilet”, Why can’t I make my own stupid contribution.

payal Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 7:10 am

hey zia it is illegal to censor our comments after taking our private emails
for ur ht business
we have an agreement and we give our private property to u to post our comments

first obey the law of contracts and then lecture about progress and secularism to hindus…

shenoy..this zia moderates ur comments and allows his brothers like navid from pakistan a free hateful ride…

its as simple asthat..

and this duplicitouus employee lectures hindus about progress and secularism
when his mindets and name r imported from tghe mideatsern and islamic countries…

what a joke…no wonder he works for the islamic secular times…

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:11 am

>first obey the law of contracts

It is too much to ask Islam to obey contracts.
contracts are made to be broken, when they become powerful.
It started with Mohadmmed and Hubeydah agreement, which he broke once he was powerful.

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The problem with L K Advani and his fellow travellers is the Golwalkar’s ideology, which they are unable to disown and discard. Down the years, the leaders of the Sangh Parivar have been naive and completely misjudged the consequences of the infamous Rath yatra in 1992 and its aftermath resulting in the demolition of Babri Masjid. The BJP lost the minority vote for decades to come and the consolidation of the Hindu vote did not neutralise the loss. In fact, the reverse happened, many of the Hindus too moved away and have been moving away from the BJP for the simple reason, most of the Indians irrespective of their religion do not subscribe to the politics of hate and divisiveness. At best with dozens of coalition partners, all it could muster 182 seats for itself and part of the reason was the perceived moderate image of Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

The Gujarat genocide in 2002 have only made matters worse for the BJP- no remorse, no apology and no justice to the victims. The results of the 2004 and 2009 general elections are a testimony to their total misreading of the Indian ethos.

On account of the actions and utterances for the 20 years or so, the BJP and the RSS have painted themselves in a corner from which it is almost impossible to get out. Today, if BJP makes any dramatic shift away from its core ideology, their die-hard supporters would feel let down and others would be sceptical. It is a lose-lose situation for the Sangh Parivar. L K Advani’s and other voices emanating from the RSS/BJP have to bee seen in this context.

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H P Narang Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

The people do not vote for the Congress or the BJP. The vote against the incumbent party. Deeper the anger against the incumbent, more votes for the opposition. Anyone can predict the outcome if elections are announced today. It is the BJP who is going to make it. Congress manipulated prices to keep them in check before the 2009 election and just about made it, 5 seats more than the BJP.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Satish Haldankar,

40,000 crores spent in seven years and what this congress government has produced is a national disaster and an international shame for India. India’s name is dirt everywhere. we call this a progressive, secular, government. Before that, we loved for forty years the socialist, secular pro-poor congres government, which only kept us all in abject poverty, with a perpetual begging bowl in hand standing in front of US asking for more and more alms. We love those days and that kind of governance. And with voters like you, we will enjoy the luxury for some more years.

If the BJP is in a bad position, the Muslims who opposed the construction of Ram Mandir with one voice too are in far worse condition today than they were before 1992. By antagonising the mjority community and appearing to be utterly unreasonable and obstinate, what have they gained? Contrast this with people who are supporting the construction of the Mandir in Ayodhya. Almost all of them are speaking from a position of strength born out of education, social, economic and political development.

So, Haldankar, support the Muslima all you want in their stubbornness that there was no Ram (Remember Ambika Soni?) and there was no Ram temple. It is not going to benefit the Muslims.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

Haldankar/Shenoy

Muslim stubbornness is causing problems for them all over.. the most recent one being the situation in NY with the planned mosque at Ground Zero /9-11 site. Approval/acceptance of Muslims has gone down significantly in US, much worser than when it was after 9/11.

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Satish Haldankar Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

Mr. Shenoy and Mr Hegde, you do not see the point. People have demonstrated time and again that they prefer corrupt, and inefficient governments (read Congress) rather than one which is also corrupt and inefficient, but with an added baggage of being divisive (read BJP).

I am not supporting Muslims or Hindus. I support human beings. What I written above is the state of affairs of the BJP and the dilemma it faces. We need a strong opposition to keep the governments on their toes and the BJP was well suited to fit into this role. However, the problem remains – Golwalkar’s ideology. I repeat the BJP has totally miscalculated its strategy, which has proved to be a very shortsighted and still in state of denial.

What people do in other countries is their problem. We have enough of ours. So no point in raising the issue of mosque in New York or any other.
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China has encircled us from all sides. The GOI is worried of frequent stand-offs between our and chinese forces on various fronts. This is the time for all Indians to unite and face the challenges of the future that China poses to our country and people. Muslims of India were always in the forefront to defend our country – be it the Ghadar of 1857 or 1962, 1965, 1971 or Kargil (hundreds of muslim soldiers sacrificed their lives in this war). When it comes to defending our porous borders against China, we really need a unified stand and unified people. Way back in the 90s, Bala Saheb had proposed a national monument to be built over the Babri land. We should accept that and proceed on the path of unification of all Indians for our common good and security. Otherwise, alongwith the chinese armies a new Babar, from Xinjiang this time, would invade the country and reoccupy it. United we stand, divided we fall – remember this old saying.

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Sam Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

Will muslims accept a
“national monument” in Kaabah ?

Kaabah is also an occupied place by Muslims..

Stop preaching and give up your “violent occupied” properties.

this muslim denial, will only lead to more counter violence..

even British had the sanity to leave occupied countries.
How come muslims do not leave India?

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Few questions to be answered here before someone judge who is forward and who is backward.

1. Who is Rahul Gandhi, and how does he matter?
2. Is he a protestant or catholic?
3. Does he have any right to talk for Hindus?
4. Are Hindus obligated to listen to what he says?
5. What has he done for Hindus?
6. Is he comparable to Advaniji in any manner?
7. Does he Qualify for the post Congress is aspiring for him?
8. Is he capable?
9. Does he have any experience and knowledge?
10. Last but not the least why he has not married? Fearing for some political backlash? Is there anything suspicious here!!

Between us the patriots..

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rajeev…. u have nt right to comment any religious

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Mr Zia, you are nothing but an Islamic Jehadist, masquerading as a journalist. You and your “like-minded” Muslim brothers are very lucky that you all are living in a country like India and in times like these, where the majority of young generation has been bred on ideology of pseudo-secularism and minority appeasement. Just like even a 1 year old child realizes which action and words/sounds of his makes his audience cheer him, similarly, our media has “tutored” the present generation to parrot the cliches of secularism, communal harmony and forward thinking etc without even realizing the real meaning of these terms.

RAHUL’S FORWARD THINKING – Mr Zia, that you and your Muslim Brethren would even love a pig if it was pitched against the sangh parivaar or BJP is another matter, but lets just study your “forward thinking” comment on crown prince Rahul Gandhi.

1) Do you know that in every gathering and in every speech made by Sonia and Rahul in the last 15 years, they cant resist “reminding” people about the incident of 6th December 1992. Is this what you call “forward thinking” ?

2) The media that you belong to and the party of your Sangh-hating comic hero Rahul Gandhi also refuses to acknowledge all the groundbreaking achievements of Gujarat Govt and charisma of Mr. Modi and keeps on harping about the Gujarat Riots and various Congress/CBI sponsored and concocted allegations against the messiah of Gujarat. Is this proof of your’s and Rahul’s Forward thinking ?

3) Every year our PM hoists flag at Lal Quila on 15th August and one day even your beloved Rahul lalla might do the same. Would you write an article and condemn Rahul Baba’s “backward” thinking for remembering 15th August 1947, a bygone date and historical event ?

4) Would you condemn Your beloved Rahul for year after year going to samadhi’s of his father, mother, grand-father, great grandfather etc ??

5) If Mr Rahul is really so “forward thinking’ and if Ayodhya is a backward issue, then please take a pinch of your journalistic salt and swear by it that Congress, Sonia and your’s truly Rahul baba do not rake up this issue in every election speech and particularly when they are in Muslim ghetto localities and cities. Can you Mr Zia???

6) God Forbid Mr Zia that you or your demi-god Rahul some day develop some ailment or physiological complications. But if you guys do, would you warn your physician everytime to not study the history of your ailment and look forward and tell you words like “Dont worry. Your Ailment is no issue. Nothing has happened. So what if you cant sleep at night. So what if you get fever 24 hours. So what if you cough your lungs out. So what if you keep vomiting everything you swallow. Nothing to worry boys. I am “looking forward” and have ordered all the required things you may require to pass away peacefully’ !!! Is this what you would like Mr Zia ???

BJP/SANGH’S STUBBORNNESS – Mr Zia, Lets say BJP is stubborn about Ayodhya. But pardon me,

1) Did i hear you, your newspaper, Rahul baba, Congress, AIMPLB or AIBMAC say a word about “going soft” on their stand ????

2) Did media ever ponder over the “historical wrong” of 1528 and its effect on Hindu Psyche ?

3) Did media or Congress ever try to “tell” the Muslim community to “move on’ from Ayodhya-Babri debate saying its a trival issue, why cant you just let it go ??

4) Does Media and Congress condemn incidents of 6th dec ‘92 and 1528 in the same breath everytime ??

5) Does media and Congress agree that just like bringing down of Babri structure has hurt Muslim sentiments, similarly there is historical proof of destruction of Ram temple and so feelings of Hindu community should also be taken into consideration and we should not draw an imaginary line of pre 1947 and post 1947 religious sentiments?

Religion is a transcendental entity and is not and most importantly – should not be bound within a constitution or court of law. And in cases like Ayodhya, the courts should not judge the “wrongs” and “rights’ on the basis of a “separating line” of a particular date as the incident’s “birth’ occurred in or around 1528. So Ayodhya issue is a 472 year old complainant and an “entity” of its own and court should judge it that way.

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Mr Zia, Just because Rahul Gandhi is pro-Muslim, you like him. The same man, if he were to once say a word in favor of Ram temple, you and entire media fraternity will denounce him communal.
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That is the tragedy of so called Modern India and its getting caught up in a vicious circle of pseudo-secularist ideas propounded by an anti-Hindu Jehadist media which by all indications is adopting such stances at the behest of a political party. Its anybody’s guess why entire media is so brazenly anti-BJP and anti-Sangh parivaar and so openly and shamelessly pro-Congress !!

Indian youth should try to see through the evil designs of Congress party and how it is waging war against Hindu conscience and Hindu sentiments because the solidification of Hindu community is politically disadvantageous for the Congress party. As such they have started turning anti-Majority and even anti-National as is evident by their Kashmir policy, just because they must please the vast vote bank of Muslim community. All the talk of BJP communalizing the atmosphere of the country is a false propaganda unleashed by Congress and its associates in Media.

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Mr Zia, you are nothing but an Islamic Jehadist, masquerading as a journalist. You and your “like-minded” Muslim brothers are very lucky that you all are living in a country like India and in times like these, where the majority of young generation has been bred on ideology of pseudo-secularism and minority appeasement. Just like even a 1 year old child realizes which action and words/sounds of his makes his audience cheer him, similarly, our media has “tutored” the present generation to parrot the cliches of secularism, communal harmony and forward thinking etc without even realizing the real meaning of these terms.

RAHUL’S FORWARD THINKING – Mr Zia, that you and your Muslim Brethren would even love a pig if it was pitched against the sangh parivaar or BJP is another matter, but lets just study your “forward thinking” comment on crown prince Rahul Gandhi.

1) Do you know that in every gathering and in every speech made by Sonia and Rahul in the last 15 years, they cant resist “reminding” people about the incident of 6th December 1992. Is this what you call “forward thinking” ?

2) The media that you belong to and the party of your Sangh-hating comic hero Rahul Gandhi also refuses to acknowledge all the groundbreaking achievements of Gujarat Govt and charisma of Mr. Modi and keeps on harping about the Gujarat Riots and various Congress/CBI sponsored and concocted allegations against the messiah of Gujarat. Is this proof of your’s and Rahul’s Forward thinking ?

3) Every year our PM hoists flag at Lal Quila on 15th August and one day even your beloved Rahul lalla might do the same. Would you write an article and condemn Rahul Baba’s “backward” thinking for remembering 15th August 1947, a bygone date and historical event ?

4) Would you condemn Your beloved Rahul for year after year going to samadhi’s of his father, mother, grand-father, great grandfather etc ??

5) If Mr Rahul is really so “forward thinking’ and if Ayodhya is a backward issue, then please take a pinch of your journalistic salt and swear by it that Congress, Sonia and your’s truly Rahul baba do not rake up this issue in every election speech and particularly when they are in Muslim ghetto localities and cities. Can you Mr Zia???

6) God Forbid Mr Zia that you or your demi-god Rahul some day develop some ailment or physiological complications. But if you guys do, would you warn your physician everytime to not study the history of your ailment and look forward and tell you words like “Dont worry. Your Ailment is no issue. Nothing has happened. So what if you cant sleep at night. So what if you get fever 24 hours. So what if you cough your lungs out. So what if you keep vomiting everything you swallow. Nothing to worry boys. I am “looking forward” and have ordered all the required things you may require to pass away peacefully’ !!! Is this what you would like Mr Zia ???

BJP/SANGH’S STUBBORNNESS – Mr Zia, Lets say BJP is stubborn about Ayodhya. But pardon me,

1) Did i hear you, your newspaper, Rahul baba, Congress, AIMPLB or AIBMAC say a word about “going soft” on their stand ????

2) Did media ever ponder over the “historical wrong” of 1528 and its effect on Hindu Psyche ?

3) Did media or Congress ever try to “tell” the Muslim community to “move on’ from Ayodhya-Babri debate saying its a trival issue, why cant you just let it go ??

4) Does Media and Congress condemn incidents of 6th dec ‘92 and 1528 in the same breath everytime ??

5) Does media and Congress agree that just like bringing down of Babri structure has hurt Muslim sentiments, similarly there is historical proof of destruction of Ram temple and so feelings of Hindu community should also be taken into consideration and we should not draw an imaginary line of pre 1947 and post 1947 religious sentiments?

Religion is a transcendental entity and is not and most importantly – should not be bound within a constitution or court of law. And in cases like Ayodhya, the courts should not judge the “wrongs” and “rights’ on the basis of a “separating line” of a particular date as the incident’s “birth’ occurred in or around 1528. So Ayodhya issue is a 472 year old complainant and an “entity” of its own and court should judge it that way. Indian youth should denounce the false or sponsored glorification of Mr Rahul Gandhi.

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@ Zia,

i am begining to think that your blogs are calculated means to increase the divide between muslim s and hindus in INdia.You blog is a breeding place for hatred and you yourself are providing the fodder for it. Hindu’s who come here are going to get brianwashed and muslims who are comming here are going to feel that all hindus are like this. What are you doing????

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Sam Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

>muslims who are comming here are going to feel that all hindus are like this

such a generalization..

in that case, looking at news and terrorist events, I should think all muslims are like that too..

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Rahmath Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 10:08 am

you already do sam….and you are talking about generalization.you encourage others to start hate blogs on the basis of somemuslims.get a life

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

>you already do sam….and you are talking about generalization.you encourage others to start >hate blogs on the basis of somemuslims.get a life

you can have your beliefs…
of course looks like only muslims have a right to believe Hindus are all like “this”
(as per you)…

Rahmath Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

as per me????…….No it seems only people like you have the rt to have any beleifs.And beleifs which will destroy others. I was criticizing your beloved zia who gives you and your kind so much material for your hate propoganda.Apparently you didnot like it.And for record i didnot mean hindus christians or even jews. i mean psychos whose only wish is to promote division. even if islam was annihilated, you will find something else to hate. As i said get a life.

Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

>even if islam was annihilated

waiting for that day..
please make it happen soon.

then there will be peace in the world.

ask New Yorkers, …
they are sick of islam constructing mosques on the building destroyed by the landing gear of the hijacked plane..

Rahmath Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

there will be peace when people like you let people like us leave in peace.Sorry i am not interested in doing your dirty work. annihilate islam and mankind yourself

New yorkers????/??

see you are not even concerned about indians.you are an elite watching news sitting in a comfortable sofa passing judgment on someone just because you want to.PLease continue i have better work to do.

And for record again us does not mean just muslims or hindus or any particulare religion or community….

and…..

of all those lines in my previous reply… it was only these lines you could latch on to Sam???? it seems you are running out of ideas and issues to criticize..

Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

>Sorry i am not interested in doing your dirty work. annihilate islam and mankind yourself

It is not dirty work.
It is the most important work for humanities survival.
Once islam leaves India, peace will return.
India was peaceful with Teachings of Gautam Buddha, Ashoka.
This happened 2000 yrs before islam was even invented in deserts of arabia.

We have to bring back the real peace, not islamic propaganda.

Rahmath Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

sam

“in that case, looking at news and terrorist events, I should think all muslims are like that too”

you have made that pretty clear by the way.

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Rahmath Reply:
October 1st, 2010 at 9:24 am

peace will return when anitsocial elements like you will leave india,But then are you in india at all????

Zia, ur blog name is good and even better answer to your post.

You can not take phobia away as it tells GOD in very narrow minded way whether as muslim you like it or not , you accept it or not

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It is an insensible blog for number of reasons. First you write a blog with an open mind, in this case the author has set the agenda to bash Mr.Advani (read Hindus and BJP) and to praise Mr.Rahul (read congress – do not worry Mr.Zia your padmashree’s is on the way). The politicians or leaders will give lectures; speeches talk on various issues at various point of time, to quote two different speeches of two different topics and compare it will not make sense. To remind the author, that congress and to be precise Rahul’s family has been ruling India after independence for more than 70%. In spite of that in India 77% of people are below poverty line. If anyone needs to be blamed for our mess in our country it should be Congress as they have ruled India majorly. The last thing India does not need is empty promises or speech. If you cannot understand this and write a blog on Rahul speech before any action he has done exposes you how ignorant and dumb you are. Please bear it in mind “Action speaks louder than words”. A leader is one who inspires others in crisis, here is a so called leader who shies away from responsibilities but gives lectures. If rahul is so concerned why can’t he take some responsibilities and deliver instead of giving empty speech. I do not want to go personal against you but do not brand me as BJP sympathizer or communal. As a matter of fact I am least bothered whether a Hindu temple or Muslim dargha comes in Ayodha or not as I know for sure Lord Ram’s is in the heart of Hindus and not somewhere else and similarly for Muslims Allah is in their heart and not some where else. To the Author, stop promoting hatred and promote humanity

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@Shenoy

Just counted the number of replies in Zia’s blog. At present, somewhere around 140. Out of it, 50 (more than 1/3 rd) are generated because of/in reply to Naveed Khan. Reacting to his provocation, most of the replies have been hateful. But strange, Mr. Khan’s replies are not moderated.

@Zia
Would approve Rahul, when he resumes some job and show his efficiency (like CWG) apart from “just talking”. No need to compare this boy (who just happened to get the “Gandhi” tag, because of his birth) having no responsibilities on his shoulder to self raised leaders. Be it Advani or Mayawati or Mamata Banerjee. I may not like all the 3 leaders which I mentioned. But I respect them because, they are in their place because of their work, not their birth.

Zia, it is the same “you”, who supported a Muslim girl’s right to veil herself, who favored “Islamic Banking” over “private enterprise”, who suggested how India can follow Malaysian model for Huj travel. None at the above times, you felt, “Religion is irrelevant. Progress is more important”. Why the faith suddenly takes back seat, when the discussion is about Mandir?

Fact is, in this country RELIGION/FAITH is “always present” and it CO-EXISTS with “DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESS”. I don’t approve Advani because, he kept the first on the top of the other. I would call Rahul naive, as he says first one is just irrelevant (as if faith does not exist). One has to acknowledge Mandir-Masjid issue involves lot of sentiments and it has to dealt delicately and NOT ignored.

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Dear Moderator,
My comment is awaiting moderation. For how long will you hold it from viewing?

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Sam Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

Narang ji
Please start your own blog.
In that way, you will have full and complete editorial control.

Your opinions and views will not be censored or edited out.

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Zia glows about Rahul Gandhi’s progressive views and while saddened by the regressive viewes of Advani.

More than these two men, I am worried about our young generation, like the IIT Gauhati students, who attended Rahul’s meeting. Who is Rahul Gandhi? He is an MP not from Gauhati, but from another constituency in UP. He is presently not a national leader, but an office bearer of a party.
Whatever he is now, he got it through as the crown prince of a political family, a family that has done a lot of injustice (may not be deliberately, but through false choices) to the cause of India. A boy born in sheltered, pampered, isolated environment, shipped to Harvard on “friends and family” quota, but who did not complete his education (btw, none of Jawahar Lal Nehru’s lineage completed their college – Indira Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi, and now Rahul)
So, something is terribly wrong, when the best and brightest of our students (IIT) invite him to speak and assemble to listen to him. Indians, it looks like, will remain sycophants, even after “India Shines”.

Now to Advani. One can fault with Advani on his politics and policies. But portraying his return to Somnath as “retarded” is off the mark. Advani is one of the unfortunate ones who had to leave his birth place, leave everything behind, and migrate to what is now India. He saw the violence first hand in that run during partition. Somnath to him is a symbol where it all started. The continuous, constant razing of the great temple by the invading Muslim barbarians eventually resulting in the partition of his motherland. For him Somnath is a beginning and partition its end.

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Its not good to give judgement in favor of either Hindus or muslims … Better not allowing any one to to build a temple at dat place.. let we hindus and muslims keep place sacred by not shedding blood over there… our enemy countries waiting for getting into war with us, if we people make this issue bigger for sure we gonna give them a chance to start d war… hope we all be happy…

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Zia Mian one Q to u…??
Why are Non Muslims not allowed to go to Mecca and Medina Mosques???
as it was place of worship of other religion people…
Babur who was one time gunda(Gangster) in the central asian region and was bugged by wealth of india so he invaded india…and thought that god has personally chosen to come to this position so he started to build mosques in some of the important places of hindus and babri is a result of it…

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Under-achiever, Back bencher, low-IQ Rahul Gandhi lecturing IIT student..What a joke!!!
His family has ruled this country for 40 years (18 Nehru + 16 Indira + 6 Proxy Sonia) and you see where we stand compared to China. The real development in India was started by PV Narasimharao followed by BJP. Now what congress is doing is following PVN and BJP’s development model.

Few days back Rahul Gandhi said that Marxism is a dead ideology and I totally agree with him but the kind of populism that Nehru, Indira, Rajiv, Sonia and Rahul himself have indulged in is anti-capatalism and pro-marxism. When you get Vedanta scrapped based on some violation and then go for photo-op with pro-maoist elements, what is that called, development or marxism? When your mother goes around with corruption ridden populist measure such as MNEREGA, what is this..Development or Marxism? When your mother allows kalmadi and company to loot CWG, what is it called, development or marxist corruption? You allow Sharad pawar to loot Indian agriculture sector, Is it development or marxist loot?

I can say with conviction that inflation 2-G spectrum, CWG mess etc. are intentional acts done by Congress and allies to raise party funds so that they can pump money during 2014 election to buy CEC, fix EVMs, Media, Minorities and corrupt hindus. I am pretty sure congress must have close to 100,000 crores in its kitty. I am saying this based on Sukhram story (if our so called development oriented youth will care to read about it).

On terror front, we have seen Rahul’s chamcha Digvijay going around visiting homes of terrorists providing them moral and political support. There were some congress MLAs who have been accused of providing safe refuge to IM terrorists. There was a congressmen caught today in Allahabad with 1 Cr. drugs found in his house.

This congress is not the congress of Mahatma gandhi but it is congress of Maglomaniac Nehru, Dictator Indira, Butcher Rajiv, Chalu Sonia and Idiot rahul. The congress of Mahatma is long dead. This congress is congress of fundamentalist minority elements who want to keep majority fractured by using British trick of DIVIDE and RULE. The hindus ae destined to be ruled by non-hindus.

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Advani has been discredited not because he is a hardliner hindu but because of his views on partition and Jinnah. He changed his stance to woo muslims but muslims saw thru his politcal ploy and it boomranged on Advani. He has lost his creditibility among his supporters as well as his enemies. However when it comes to sharpness of mind, I think, 80 year old Advani is miles ahead of LOW IQ Rahul.

I’d also like to know why did Rahul enrol as RAUL VINCI in foreign educational instituitions. It seems to be a matter of fraud. He should come forward with his real name and not fool masses. If he is not Raul Vinci then he should present proof if he is indeed Rahul gandhi.

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

Did he really enroll in Harvard as Raul vinci???? I hope this is not a witch hunt like Obama’s birth certificate…Any proof for this name?

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

I heard this in mainstream media..possibly NDTV/IBN/TimesNow.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 27th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

Here is the link from Pro-congress web-site
http://hamaracongress.com/2010/02/15/rahul-gandhi-unraveling-the-man-who-will-be-king/

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My stand of temple is clear. If muslims remain rigid (stubborn) on mosque in Ayodhya (that has absolutely no relevance in Islam), Hindus should insist on temple at that site.

I just want to ask muslims. If non-muslims attack Kaaba and convert it into a temple or church, will they give up on Kaaba or fight till eternity to get it back. Mind it that non-muslims will ask you about birth certificate of Adam and Abaraham. They may also ask for land records from Mohammad’s time to prove Kaaba is Islamic shrine. Infact they may also ask for birth certificate of Mohammad and other angels who spoke to Mohammed when he has having epileptic strokes.

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Rahmath Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

i had replied for a message something like this which was favourable to your cause…i must say our casue. it was deleted. We are fools to beleive that people will actaully let misunderstanding go.

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This is how brothers of INDIAN muslims treat hindus when they are in majority.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/11/protectingpakistanshindus
Protecting Pakistan’s HindusThe cultural and institutional marginalisation of Hindus in Pakistan is a travesty of human dignity and freedom

Ali Eteraz guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 April 2008 08.00 BST Article historyHindus in Pakistan have suffered grievously since the founding of the nation in 1947. Recently, in the southern province of Sindh, a Hindu man was accused of blasphemy and beaten to death by his co-workers. This comes at the heels of the abduction and dismemberment of a Hindu engineer.

A little while earlier, the military removed 70 Hindu families from lands where they had been living since the 19th century. To this day the temples that Pakistanis destroyed in 1992 in response to the destruction of the Babri mosque in India have not been restored.

Pakistan, according to many accounts, was founded as a way to protect the rights and existence of the minority Muslim population of Colonial India in the face of the larger Hindu majority. Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, is reported to have said in 1947: “In due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims – not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state.” It is therefore a travesty of Pakistan’s own founding principles that its Hindus – and not to exclude Christians and Ahmadis – have suffered so grossly.

There are two levels of prejudice in Pakistan with respect to Hindus – the cultural and the legal.

While it is difficult to say which one is more pernicious, cultural prejudice is certainly more difficult to uproot because it is perpetuated by religious supremacism, nationalism, stories, myth, lies, families, media, schooling and bigotry.

Cultural prejudice has become part and parcel of language itself. Hindus are referred to as “na pak.” Na means “un” and pak means “pure.” So, Hindus are turned into the impure, or unclean. Given that the word “pak” is part of the word “Pakistan” – which means Land of the Pure – somebody’s impurity suggests that they are not really Pakistani.

To make matters even worse, Pakistani mullahs teach a very supremacist version of the Islamic creed, the kalima. Usually, the kalima reads simply: “There is no god but God and Muhammad is His final messenger.” The version that children are taught, however, reads as follows: “The first kalima is Tayyab; Tayyab means Pak (Pure); There is no god but God and Muhammad is His final Messenger.”

Do you see how the word “Pak” – which denotes both purity and connects to citizenship in Pakistan – is smuggled into the Islamic creed? Since in Urdu this little ditty rhymes very effectively, this is the version of religiosity that most children repeat their entire lives. As a result, while they grow up, they psychologically equate Hindus with impurity, with uncleanliness, as not Pakistani, and therefore less than, both Islamically and as citizens.

The only two parties that can begin to bring some change in this arena are the state and the liberal clerics.

Last year Pakistan’s prime minister did greet Hindus during Diwali and a prominent Hindu nationalist leader – who had to quit his party because of his outreach – that was born in Karachi did come back and pay respects to his birth-city.

Cricket diplomacy, which began in 2004, helped a little (but not really, because the focus was on cricket and not on religion). Also, there are a few prominent Hindus here and there – one is a justice of the Supreme Court and one is the leading leg-spinner for the cricket team. Yet, as the Pakistani exile Tarek Fatah points out, Justice Bhagwandas had to take the oath on the Quran. Meanwhile, Kaneria is regularly excluded from the Pakistani cricket team’s congregational Islamic prayer.

As bad as the cultural prejudice is, legal prejudice is the one that must be more urgently dealt with, because it is what allows cultural prejudice to acquire institutional power.

Two laws in particular have been very problematic for the Hindu community.

The first one was promulgated under the 1973 constitution which made Islam the state religion of Pakistan and established a separate electorate for Muslims and non-Muslims so that Hindus could only vote for Hindu candidates. Musharraf abolished this in 2002. I think Muslims who support the idea of Islamic states around the world really need to stop and think about this for a second. It took an American-backed dictator in the year 2002 for a Muslim state to abolish unequal voting? As a wise man once said: are you kidding me? This is a deplorable commentary on the state of equality in today’s Islam.

The second law is the infamous blasphemy law passed under Islamist dictator Zia ul Haq in the 1980s. Designed specifically to punish the Ahmadi minority, the blasphemy law now provides convenient protection to anyone who ever wants to kill, murder, maim, beat up, mug, abduct, or punish any religious minority. All you really have to do is carry out your brutality and then point at the victim and say that he was blasphemous.

This law needs to be repealed immediately: no reform, no fixing, no tweaking, but total abolishment. Efforts to repeal it under Musharraf failed in the Senate. The secular parliament in session now is probably not going to touch it unless it is told to do so by international groups (who frankly aren’t really interested). The UN, EU, US, and International Council of Jurists must make some noise about repealing Pakistan’s heinous blasphemy law.

There are little more than three million Hindus in Pakistan (a nation of 160 million). They are still part of Pakistani life and need to be treated with respect and dignity. According to some sources, at the founding of Pakistan, Hindus comprised nearly 15% of the country’s population and now number barely 2%. Many have left, many have been killed, and many have converted to other religions to protect themselves. All in all, a travesty for a state that was created with the intended purpose of protecting minorities.
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Sam Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 2:58 am

How to contact Pakistani Hindus and help them ?

(just do not complain about muslims treating Hindus badly.
please do something..)

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Rajeev Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

I replied you with contact addresses but moderator for the fear of getting exposed chose to delete my post.

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Sam Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

Can you start writing a blog, so you can bypass these moderators..

Rajeev Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 2:46 am

I’ll post related links tomorrow.

@Rajeev I am going to spoil your party. Oh God , I will say pakistan is a hindu country through and through. I once came across the matrimonial columns in Star Dust UK, muslim jat boy seeks muslim jat girl , muslim RAJPUT boy seeks seeks Muslim Rajput girl. The People in Raiwind in Punjab wear Dhoti. BASANT is a much big festival than Id. In fact Sir Sikandar Hayat didn’t like Jinnah at all , in fact he was apprehensive this partition will lead to slaughter of Lalas. He had said if Jinnah has his way pakistan will be a jinnastan and nothing more. Sadly he died long before the partition and thus could not change the course of history. I can quote chapter and verse from Patrick french’s book “liberty or Death”. Also it is quite upper class to wear SARIS in pakistan.Also the treatment of rather skinned Mohajirs is nothing but pakistani version of scheduled caste or harijans.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

Shan,
This is the real irony. As per muslims, people converted from Hinduism to Islam to escape caste system but what we see today is that pakistani muslims are still trapped in caste & on top of that they are divided on Ethnic lines such as pathan, sindhi, Baloch, Punjabi who never intermarry.

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Sam Reply:
September 28th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

>As per muslims, people converted from Hinduism to Islam to escape caste

The conversions mainly happened to escape Jizya and the violence of Muslims thugs.

Muslims will tell any stories.
They tell different stories in different countries.
Just compare what they are telling in other places and you will know what is the truth and what is propaganda…

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Dear Friends,

What I am writing below is apparently off the main topic of this blog, but actually it is not. The root of problem and solution is discussed.

The end of Ideology of Hate and fear is near. How this ideology has survived so long is by clamping on discussions and knowledge through out its violent history. Adherents have been made by Power of Sword and Political / Social discriminations. They could do it as they had the means to control what one can speak and hear. Severe penalties were imposed on anyone going against its policy of total darkness in Knowledge. Now with this option on its way out due to advancements in communications ( Internet, Mobile etc.), this hate and fear filled ideology can not survive for long. Time is running against it.
In the interim, as most of them have been born and brought up with total brainwashing , which starts from their early childhood ( In their families as also among their friend circle ), they shall resist. This happens with everyone who has to renounce in light of knowledge, what had looked a certainly till then. Let us be patient with them .They are our long separated brothers and sisters. If our ancestors also had to go through the circumstances that their ancestors had to go through, we also would have been in their brotherhood and we also would have been replying similarly. What sometimes looks from outside as a very powerful entity is actually very brittle. It can collapse surprisingly very very fast. We have seen something like this happening in our life time. Communism as a philosophy and Political ideology looked so strong just 25 years back. It was sometimes suggested that it will over run entire world. It already was in power in almost half of the world. New adherents to this philosophy were getting added every day. It remained very powerful for almost 70-80 years. But now what has happened to it? It is nowhere including in China. Why did it collapse? because it was in its application contrary to basic human instincts , which is freedom of thought. How did it survive for so long, it used the same tactics of clamp down on its population as Islam is doing. Why has Islam survived for so long and communism collapsed much faster ? It was because God is invoked in this religion while Communism did not invoke God. ( God can be used and badly misused . Islam has misused it very badly ). Communism developed during times when initial scientific knowledge of Europe was challenging concept of God. It had started appearing that future generations will be able to do without God. So Communists missed on involving god. This was their shortcoming , otherwise Communism would also have taken more time to get rid off.
Anyone who has understood Islam as per its sources and in its actual actions through out its history, knows its creation is from a delusioned and hallucinating person ( something like our failed yogis ) .He stumbled on some higher levels as he used to go into some sort of meditation in caves. Arabia did not have not much of higher spiritual background , there was no one to properly guide him / correct him and hence he became totally disjointed. He really started believing that what he is hearing is from God. Any one in India who wants to go into meditation is clearly informed by our yogic traditions that he/she should first cleanse one’s inner self other wise he/she can get into illusions and hallucinations. First two steps out of eight steps of RAJ YOG relate to this inner cleansing. Only after inner cleansing, a person is asked to adopt meditative postures and go for meditation. With this initial and very crucial preparation , a yogi can overcome what he/she can experience there after. Even after this, it is strongly suggested to have a Guru to help in developing a persons spirituality. Go through history of Quranic revelations and what Mohammed experienced and how he related it to his wife and others makes it clear on his Spiritual Psychological problems. Had Mohammed been born in India, he would have been guided by the great Spiritual tradition of India and the world would not have suffered so much. In his Medina years , he started on physical violence, looting , killings and he really believed that God is guiding him in this. His followers became his very strong followers as he was winning and was successful in what he planned. Now Quranic revelations were propping as per convenience of Mohammed ,like allowing him to marry his Daughter -in-law which was a taboo in Arab society. So many other revelations started coming which were the concerns of Mohammed at that time for his political and social needs. There is a saying that nothing succeeds like success. His followers also were sharing his loot and becoming rich. They also had the superior feeling of helping themselves and being on the right side of God. Something similar happened to Chengiz Khan also . Changiz khan was not a Muslim as we sometimes confuse , he was a Shamanic from Mongolian tribe , similarly not educated and with no experience in his tribe for warfare . He also used to go to a mountain and meditate there. He also got visions which made him believe that God is telling him to win over all world. With this firm God belief and also his initial successes, his followers also started firmly believing in his connection with God. In a span of 30-40 years, he had ravaged and won areas as distant as from today’s Poland to Peking ( from East to West ) and Mongolia to Iran ( North to South ). Biggest area ever ruled by one person in History of world. If Chengiz Khan had also propounded any God theory for others to follow ruthlessly, we would have been having another ruthless religion of Chingezia.
So my friends, please don’t hate Muslims. They are our brothers and Sisters. They will comeback surely and very soon. In the meanwhile please keep them engaged.

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shan Reply:
October 3rd, 2010 at 2:19 am

I have another take on Muhammad’s problem. Remember there is age difference of twenty years between them. The time he went for meditation is when his wife was 55yrs. Obviously there was no physical relationship , I am a doctor I have seen many many patients with post menopausal hormone deficiency problem.(I am approaching this matter with an academic mind thus I am not going to use any true but hurtful words). Mohammad being young this must have been an unbearable situation. Remember he dare not leave his first wife , she was so powerful , it would have cost him his life. Faced with this impossible situation he turned to meditation to take his mind off carnal intrusions. There is nothing to go mad about this speculation gandhi apparently went psychotic when he had an involuntary orgasm, thereafter he started sleeping with two female consorts on both side and practice repression . Gandhi had this idiotic beleif that if he could control his urges , the energy will channeled in acheiving greater things.
Now as you know the revelations came thick and fast , and he supplanted them at will to suit his purpose , like marrying the wife of his own adopted son as this was against the prevailing custom of arabia. This was a very very passion driven person is borne out by the number of wives he had and ALL OF THEM AFTER DEATH OF KHADIJA. and the fact he did not think twice in consumating his relationship with his most favourite wife whom he married by prevailing on his friend Abu Bakr, who was not at all agreeable in the first instance. The rest is SHEER LUST FOR POWER which led to all those wars he fought.

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good man ! i m enjoying this…this is gonna happen forever dudes…there is no end to this…muslims in their own self conscience will think they are right on the issues of babri masjid or whatever ****…and the hindus in their own self conscience will think they are right… but dont we understand that this all just leads to a vicious circle that is never gonna end .. people in the past have gone through this and now we are treading the same path…and nothing is gonna come…so just come out of this cloak of vanity and mutual hatred and religious fanaticism(mega ****) which we have worn for decades on ourselves.. bcoz there is no end result to all this…there will only be crusades and riots and these incidents like terrorism nd all..religion is the worst evil.. it is created by man to gain political power over people..so follow no religion and seek for one god which is beyond all religion , an infinite power which is probably beyond our imagination..the best way to lead life should be to be an individualist bcoz what religion does is to dissolve our own individuality into a herd or crowd mentality where we are fed to our minds everything from religion..and here is where hatred starts at the very beginning..the whole world war2 had a religious backing behind itself (german hatred of jews)… and now the word is at the brink of another great war (iran vs usa\israel or india vs pak) and the root cause of all this is religious which is meaningless , the most stupid concept of humanity because it tends to divide the supreme control by giving the concepts of blasphemy or naapak and many other things.. religion hinders us to think about the better good…so we must get rid of these petty issues and let our individuality be free from religious evils because that will be the real independence , the independence of our spirit

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 3:26 am

Hindus are just seeking justice and peace.

why should muslims insist on violence and keeping properties acquired through violence ?

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There is an inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence. A nation so fervently preoccupied with religion (instead of science and technology) deserves politically retarded leadership. What else can be expected?

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Binoy Hegde Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 7:19 am

jindal, dont think so– What about israel? They have produced, may be the largest number of nobel winners..

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shan Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

@Binoy Hedge, I can speak authentically about Israel.Israel is not a theocratic state , it is a ZIONIST state. That is racial thing. Constitutionally ISRAEL IS A SECULAR DEMOCRACY. Also Israel has produced at best five to six nobel laureattes, rest are jewish from all over the G8 countries , not israelis.That is why there are loads of night club and brothel in israel. Also ISRAEL IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON AMERICAN HANDOUTS WHICH IS MORE THAN THE POST WORLD WAR 2 MARSHALL PLAN.

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syed Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

@Binoy,
You are wrong here. About the max number of nobel prize winners are Jews (mostly American) but there are a very few Israelis because Israel is a religious state.

Further, the ultra religious jews in the Israeli city of Bnei Brak rank at the bottom of the matriculation list with a pass percentage of 15%.

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/18676/jews-rank-high-among-winners-of-nobel-but-why-not-israelis/

Corollary: If muslims continue to follow religiously in the same path, they will pretty soon be totally left on the sidelines.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

Syed,
I’d like to share the story of Abdus Salam from Pakistan who won Nobel prize in Physics.
He was a Ahmediaya and how he was hounded when alive and when dead.
Please do read it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam

Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:06 am

Nobel prizes in sciences, medicine do not come from vaccum.
Unlike peace & literature, nobel prizes in hard sciences need excellent institutes
huge infrastructure and investment

Whichever countries, institutes, universities have those infrastructure will most likely dominate nobel prizes.

Israel does not have that density of required infrastructure, as it is a relatively young nation.
their effort is more focused on military and other needs.

Maybe if arabs/muslims let them live in peace, Israel will develop those institutes..

Mr. Zia, the world is bigger than 2 politicians. If you look at the world, you will see it is
the Muslims who are the champions of backwardness. First develop a democracy
in one of the 57 Muslim majority nations; then talk. First stop doing your burqa and
triple talaq, then talk.

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It will be a big surprise if some day Zia and his like see something good in BJP and Advani and something to criticize in Sonia and Rahul Gandhi.
So this post is no surprise at all. It is as per the script.
Not that there is nothing good in Advani or BJP, or nothing wrong with Congress, Sonia and Rahul.
But today one can hardly find a really unbiased, independent commentator. What a pity!
Yesterday on a TV news channel a Muslim writer tried to admit that more than 1500 temples were destroyed in the Muslim invasions and the Mughal rule but he was shouted down not only by a fellow Muslim but even the TV anchor.
This is the state of truth in our country. Today if the Hindus want to remember their past history so that they remain alert that those things are not repeated, not to subjugate Muslims as some commentators dishonestly portray, this is defined as communalism in today’s secular India. And even most of the Hindus have fallen for this propaganda.

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Sam Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

Justice to Hindus and Vedic civilization..

until this happens, there will be violent incidents.

it is not against Muslims.

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It is a sad statement of fact that Hinduism is a dying religion. Today no one in his right state of mind or in his good sense will love to identify himself as Hindus. Some mentally retarded people speak of minorities appeasement whenever GOI does something positive in the interest of the Nation. Indians should wake up to the reality that there is no such thing as Hindu. India is a country of minorities and among the minotities Muslims are the single largest minority. They far exceed the Brahmans, The Thakurs, the Yadavas, the Punjabi, Gujeratis, Biharis and what not.

By right the PM of India and most of the senior Ministers in India should have been Muslims. India by nature is more of a Muslim State than a HIndu State. Muslims out of their generosities are safeguarding the Secularist character of the Indian Naton. We should be thankful to the Muslims.

The Ayodhya judgment is a victory of Allah the Almighty over Rama the mythology. People having a sense of self respect and dignity should waste no time in renouncing Kaffirism practiced blindly by
their forefathers and embrace the one and only true religion, the Religion of the Creator and the Master of the Universe. Raj babbar, sharmila Tagore and Kareena Kapoor are giving good examples and those who want to be saved should follow.

In 20 years time Insha Allah, India will be a Muslim country and only the flag of Islam will be seen in
Mathura, Brindaban, Ayodhya, Kashi, Haridwar and Rishikesh. who can defy the Will of Allah Almighty

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t is a sad statement of fact that Hinduism is a dying religion. Today no one in his right state of mind or in his good sense will love to identify himself as Hindus. Some mentally retarded people speak of minorities appeasement whenever GOI does something positive in the interest of the Nation. Indians should wake up to the reality that there is no such thing as Hindu. India is a country of minorities and among the minotities Muslims are the single largest minority. They far exceed the Brahmans, The Thakurs, the Yadavas, the Punjabi, Gujeratis, Biharis and what not.

By right the PM of India and most of the senior Ministers in India should have been Muslims. India by nature is more of a Muslim State than a HIndu State. Muslims out of their generosities are safeguarding the Secularist character of the Indian Naton. We should be thankful to the Muslims.

The Ayodhya judgment is a victory of Allah the Almighty over Rama the mythology. People having a sense of self respect and dignity should waste no time in renouncing Kaffirism practiced blindly by
their forefathers and embrace the one and only true religion, the Religion of the Creator and the Master of the Universe. Raj babbar, sharmila Tagore and Kareena Kapoor are giving good examples and those who want to be saved should follow.

In 20 years time Insha Allah, India will be a Muslim country and only the flag of Islam will be seen in
Mathura, Brindaban, Ayodhya, Kashi, Haridwar and Rishikesh. who can defy the Will of Allah Almighty

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shan Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

@Circumcised avivekanand, who beats his wife for refusing sex as per hadith , married and deflorated thirteen year old girl. The india that you are describing is the one after an epidemic of EBOLA FEVER when all sane people have left the country only PIG BRAINS WITH PIG HABITS AND PIG APPETITE IS LEFT BEHIND.

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Rajeev Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

Pakistani alert!!!

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We await torrow with baited breath. Meanwhile come and join me on Kumkum Chadha’s blog- should the queen open the CWG,
nICE DEBATE REQUIRED THERE.

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Advani ji is one of the finest and the smartest chors of India. He holds various patents on how to steal things by diverting people’s attention.

His dream of becoming a PM will never come true, he often wakes up screaming “Mujhe pradhan mantri banna hai”:. Bechara pagal buddha ab kya karay :O

He is such a hypocrite who gave inflaming speech before the demolition and said it was a dark day in his life after the demolition. He will definitely ROT in hell.

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Rajeev Reply:
October 1st, 2010 at 12:54 am

He is far better than she-male MMS, he-female Sonia and no-male rahul.
Infact congress and its corrupt supporters are the cause of India’s rot. May all of you rot in hell.

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So, today is verdict day and I am sure that some people will try to again create rift between hindu and muslim. It is so predictable that these politicians try again and again. Some people terrorise people irrespective of their religion. This is the time for the common people to say NO to them, and to maintain peace whatever the verdict. There is scope to reevaluate in Supreme Court.

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For all your kind information;

Are you not ashamed to destroy our nation’s reputation among other nation’s in the world? We have a good reputation of religious tolerence. Please dont try to destroy it. All Indians are one when we go to a foriegn country. The other nationalities consider us as Indians only.They dont even care whether we are Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever.
We have lots of other social issues to take care of;like poverty, unemployment, corruption etc.
Think about solving these issues rather than being extremists
All religions preach about love. The summary of all holy books is

” LIVE AND LET LIVE “

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

>The other nationalities consider us as Indians only.They dont even care whether we are Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever.

Then how come, muslims only want to meet with muslims from Pakistan ?
they do not want to mix with fellow indians when they are outside India.

By the way, only muslim indians are allowed in Makkah
saudis do not look every indian as equal.
please learn about islamic aparthied followed in Gulf countries, Malaysia…

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Rajeev Reply:
October 1st, 2010 at 12:52 am

Not true for all the Indian muslims but I have seen many Indian muslims behaving like slaves in front of pakistanis and other muslims.

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The courts should not accord the site to Hindus or Muslims. The state authorities should become custodians of the place and turn it into a memorial for peace and harmony in India. It would also be a memorial for the 2000+ innocent people who were killed in the aftermath of the 1991 tragedy.

This idea would serve the nation well.

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Sam Reply:
October 1st, 2010 at 1:48 pm

>The state authorities should become custodians of the place and turn it into a memorial for peace and harmony in India

Please do it for every Mosque contructed..

most mosques are supposed to be victory monuments and to humiliate Hindus.
Tear down those mosques and bring back peace to india..

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Europe, America, China, Japan and more countries are developing day by day, and India n V Indian are busy criticizing each other…………… well that includes me as well, we all are brain washed by our beloved politician, name me one politician who is in politics for the sake of our country………… and the best part is we all know they all are corrupted and we cant stop ourself to vote them, coz v have to vote someone, v have to select at-least one corrupted man.
ILLITERACY BRINGS UNEMPLOYMENT
UNEMPLOYMENT INCREASE CRIME
CRIME INCREASE HATRED
HATRED = OUT OF YOUR MIND
and when v are out of our mind, guess wht v do……………….
WE VOTE…………………………. and the cycle continued

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Sam Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

If muslims left to Pakistan, India will not have this religious strife.

Congress should have insisted as part of Partition.

Then India would have been peaceful, like the land of Gautama Buddha & Ashoka.

India is suffering due to Congres’s sins in 1947.

Even now, Indians should work on a voluntary plan to encourage muslims to leave India with voluntary economic incentives.

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hey for what we are thinking about
the god or allah made us to live on this earth not to fight for making there place
we worship god to thank them for such beautiful life and for solving the problem
and we just busy in these verdicts on thats piece of land who own that a hindu or muslim
before hindu or muslim we are indian
or before any country we are human a beutiful and most intellingent creature of god and allah
just belive in yourself

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It looks like self-styled secular terrorists have started showing dis-respect for Ayodhya judgement. It looks like seculars are hell bent on inciting muslim mobs to go on rampage.

The Indian secularism stands exposed thanks to stand taken by secular media and people like Rajiv Dhawan.

The muslims are calm and respectful of verdict but it looks like congress doesn’t want hindus and muslims to unite. It might dent their vote bank.

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The Sword Reply:
October 17th, 2010 at 7:08 am

I being an Indian Muslim totally agree with the verdict and the WAQF board should give their one third to the hindus as well. That will sort this issue for good. Having said the problem is not that the Muslims dont want to do the above. The problem is then the hindus will turn around and say Sita was born where another Masjid stands and the muslims should give them that land as well. Mathura and Varanasi are the same isint it. How about a barter system. For every Mosque the Hindus want they give equivalent land and pay for the creation of the Mosque there or the moving of the existing mosque there and there should be no problem.

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journos sud get themselves informed before vomitting nonsense..
advani goes to somnath on that date every year.. so after all these years once verdict came hindus sud say no temple..

please rahul gandhi is not fit enough to tie advani’s shoes stop bigging this medicore stock up

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Ah Mr. Haq, how simplistic of you (and Rahul Gandhi) to speak in favour of IITs and IIMs instead of mandirs and masjids. Can we start by breaking all mandirs and masjids and making them into schools and colleges.
A solution should be replicable. Is this a replicable solution. Whenever there is a dispute, break what is there and build a hospital, school, museum…..
Secularism means respect for all relegions, lets have a little respect for Hindu sensibilities, Ram Janambhoomi is hallowed ground for all Hindus. This dispute has gone on for 500 years. Lets finish it by making the temple and moving on. The stubborn Muslim bodies which insist on maintaining the masjid there, just ensure that the issue stays alive and kicking in every Hindu heart.
Negotiate for a favourable compromiise and just give the land be done with it !! Jai hind !

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The Sword Reply:
October 17th, 2010 at 7:11 am

I agree totally with this. But the Hindus should also respect the Muslim sensibilities and not ask for any ground where a Mosque stands. If it was just ayodhya then there wont be any issues but there is Mathura and Kashi as well and god knows how many will come up if those three are given.

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The message we are getting from muslims who are very sad/disappointed/angry with the verdict is that they refuse to acknowledge the existance of Lord Ram as historical figure and God in general. All they know is their god Allah and no one else. Its high time for them to understand that other faith people are around and they have their own true God and true faith and those people give a damn to their Allah. Also naturally they wont question the existance of their prophets and the angels who whispered in their ears the holy words of Allah.

Guess muslims should grow up and accept, respect, appreciate Gods of other faith instead of questioning their historic authenticity and mocking their beliefs ( idol worshippers, satan influenced, kafirs, infedels, pagans etc) and imposing taxes, zazias, treating them as sons of satan, destroying their temples etc.

Also they go into hysteria when some one questions about the koran, mohammed, authenticity of the pubic hair in hazrat bal, authenticity of the allah, other prophets, adam and eve etc. Let them bring a birth certificate of their first prophet Adam and Eve (father and daughter) Abraham and Sarah (father and daughter) and their historic birth place. Then we will think about the historic facts of our Lord Ram

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The Sword Reply:
October 17th, 2010 at 7:17 am

Verses from the Yajurveda regarding the concept of God

“na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]5

“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6

Now you tell me either the Hindu vedas are incorrect or Ram was not a God. Ram and Krishan could have been prophets and if they were then peace be upon them who brought the message of God but not God themselves. Why does God need to come down to earth if he is the most powerful and can do what needs to be done sitting where he is?

As for Hazrat Bal and other such Muslim shrines that is unislamic. These practices have been by taken Muslims in India from the Hindus.

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shan Reply:
October 17th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

@The sword, of islam , that brought misery to the world and still dragging the muslim world towards year hizra one. This is cut and pastefrom what i had written before.
Sheila, anybody with a microscopic brain will know that most likely there was a FAIR SKINNED ARYAN WARRIOR WHO SAVED HIS FOLKS FROM THE RATHER DARK SKIN PEOPLEOF SOUTH(RAKSHAK). In order to extoll the victory an epic was written to celebrate the victory.
Now in order to spare you the trouble of scrolling upwards here is what i wrote last night in response to your queries. You did not dare to respond. Here it is
@Sheila ,perhaps new to these blogs, otherwise you would have got the answer in my postings in earlier. By the way is your surname a hindu surname.
Now to reiterate what I written in earlier blogs. The concept of god in hinduism is tad complex in hinduism. At one level you have Nag (snake) devta, and at other level it is PARAM BRAMHA.This param bramha is cosmic consciousness or a massive ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY which influences every thing on this earth including humans. one school of thought thinks god is SUPRA HUMAN not superhuman or superman . Thus it is no good praying to god for benevolence, charity etc, because these are human attributes and by asking for forgiveness or wealth or fortune or help YOU ARE HUMANISING GOD. next IS CHARBAK who thinks there is NO GOD and the whole purpose of this life is to live to its full INCLUDING CARNAL PLEASURES. Now Ram . It is not neccasary for hindu beleif to have an authentic Ram. As you know all this worship according to Swami vivekananda , is just to focus your mind , so Ram is a symbol of virtuesand a symbol of god but not god per se. (though one of the greatest poet of modern India Michael Madhusudhan Dutt thought otherwise, that is another big topic)
Now if you are a rationalist like me , you have to concede Hindus have reason to feel aggreived. They passionately feel about that place(rightly or wrongly)and that mosque was an UNUSED mosque and they can rightly feel HARD DONE BY and betrayed by the INTRASIGENCE of the lack of sagacity in the leaders of the quom.

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I frankly am unable to understand what you found dumb about Advani’s statement.
Ram Lala under the present Judgement keeps 1/3rd of the land, including the centre dome where the idol is placed. Does the statement that the judgement sets the stage for a temple on the site undecipherable or offensive to you? Seems pretty normal.

On the other hand, Rahul Gandhi was addressing IIT Graduates and wasn’t specifically talking about the judgement per se. Since their priorities are Jobs & Education, he talked about the same things.

From the looks of it, given the case, There is a clear example of Advani being more honest as a person, and far more forthcoming than Rahul Gandhi, who repeated cliches relevent to the specific people he was addressing, and the intelligent media people take this as his personal political priorities.

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Very well said, Dr ShivKumar. I have time and again commented on his writings/debates that he’s a sold-out Journalist on the payrolls of Congress. When you see him on one of those debates he unmasks his loyalty openly and becomes aggressive (verbally) if anyone points out anything about his paymasters. Such an unflinching loyalty is akin to the loyalty of a scabied street dog who wags his tail to all those who throw leftovers at him and bark at the outsiders passing through the streets. My one and only one request to Mr Sharma is Please come clean in some of your next writing by openly saying that you are “An openly bought out Journalist of Congress” just like those people who say that they are “openly gay”. Indian Public, as it is, will shower you with more respect then.

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Well Dr ShivKumar, Journalism is a highly competitive industry. To survive in this industry either you have to be best or properly networked. Mr Vinod Sharma falls in the second category. Once you taste the Pasta, Spaghetti and Pizza leftovers thrown-over by the Italian Madam the taste of hard-earned Makki ki Roti and Sarson ka Saag disappears. Mr Vinod Sharma is the head of all those Journalist who line up at the mansion of the De-Facto Italian Ruler of India. To maintain his seat at this citadel he has to time and again prove his loyalty through the best lick of his tongue. Any journalist who wants to enjoy leftovers is welcome to join the bandwagon of Mr Sharma. To gutter with unbiased Journalism….they don’t sell anymore.

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I am Indian in GTA (Greater Toronto Area) and I hate to go to Brampton. I am much happier in my multicultural Scarborough. If I were so fond of everything Indian, I wouldn’t have stepped out of India. Also, people living in Brampton become so restricted in their circle that they’re even unfamiliar with Downtown Toronto. They are physically in Canada, but not taking advantage of what multiculturalism has to offer. What a waste.!

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Simaljit Sandhu Reply:
August 26th, 2012 at 1:40 am

Aseem, I don’t know what are you talking about when you say that “Indian’s who live in Brampton are unfamiliar with downtown.” That is quite an assumption, and more specifically stereotyping. I am aware and in contact with many Indian senior citizens that travel all over Canada with their clubs. Many Bramptonians work downtown. It is a shame that you say you don’t like to visit Brampton, because too many indians live here. Ethnic enclaves are all over Canada like Indian populations who primarily reside in Brampton, Surrey, Montreal. However, it is not just Indians. Many other cultural groups decide to live in similar areas (i.e., Woodbridge is home to a large Italian-Canadian population). Seems like you are not proud to be an Indian feel sorry for you. WE love our Brampton.

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Aseem Swarup Johri Reply:
August 26th, 2012 at 2:05 am

I guess I’ll have to move to Brampton to prove my patriotic colours! Why not move back to India to show greater colours.

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