The Pakistan I love, the Pakistan I loathe



Before the first word of this essay is written, let a prophecy be made: Blinkered nationalists may accuse me of writing a puff piece on Pakistan, something far from the truth.

That said, let’s now proceed. I have a ‘split personality’ when it comes to Pakistan.

A banana republic of kangaroo courts and of savage society that swears by medieval values: Pakistan — to me — isn’t about all this. There is a Pakistan I adore and one that I abhor.

I loathe the way Pakistan has not just injured India but also itself over the years. Most of the wounds have been inflicted by its reckless military. (The smugness of Pakistan’s politicians, such as its foreign minister SM Qureishi, is also part of the Pakistan story I have an aversion to.)

But what could be so great about a country that often disregards democracy, is kept afloat by international aid, and concentrates more on destabilizing India than stabilizing itself? The answer lies in such men as Sadat Hasan Manto, Bulley Shah, Waris Shah and Tufail Niazi etc. Much of the legacy risks being wiped out by the Taliban and neo-Islamist outfits.

Those aware of the cultural treasure trove Pakistan’s blistering borders hold within themselves will always be more saddened by that country’s descent into chaos.

On Delhi’s GT Karnal bypass the other day, I found the state-owned Delhi-Lahore bus speed past my car. It was being escorted by a siren-blaring police car and tailed by another one.

In its journey spanning 12 hours and 540 km, the bus connects not just two countries, but two Punjabs cut into clean halves by the Partition of British India. What has remained intact, however, is Punjab’s cultural heritage – utterly secular and unsullied. Music and poetry are its two high-points.

The uninitiated can only see Punjabi culture as crude and crass — and not as subtle, superb or sparkling.

For Bengalis who think no other language could be as sweet or North Indian Muslims who think Urdu is God’s gift to poetry, the best of Punjabi poetry and songs can sober them down.

When I hear such greats as folk singer Tufail Niazi, I can feel a rush that only youth can offer, despite not being so young anymore.

Tufail is Keats to me, Nusrat is Shelley, Bulley Shah the Milton and the great Waris Shah the Shakespeare of Punjabi. Waris Shah, by the way, immortalized the Heer-Ranjha saga, the immortal epic of doomed love.

Punjabi folk music has such rich mines of gold that its lustre can never be scraped by time. My appreciation of music is restricted largely to American country music and Punjabi folk, not necessarily in that order. It certainly has no place for most of the current crop of Bollywood music makers, with a few exceptions.

Secularism is at the very heart of Punjabi folklore. Tufail Niazi was born in India in 1916, near Jallandhar, and died in 1990 in Islamabad, Pakistan.

Tufail is said to have been born in the only Muslim family of a Sikh village of Jallandhar. His ancestors were traditional musicians, who played the pakhawaj; hence were called Pakhawajis. The pakhawaj is a key accompaniment in the Dhrupad style of Hindustani vocal music that originated as temple music. During the Mughal period, it is said to have evolved into the more ornate north Indian classical, vocal-music form of khayal (literally “thoughts”).

Tufail’s family members were also “Rubabis” who sang Gurbanis in gurdwaras (Sikh temple). His father, Haji Raheem Buksh, is said to have taken him to a gaushala (community cowshed) in Gondwal near Taran Taaran, a district of present-day Indian Punjab. Here he joined the Gaushala troupe, singing songs of Hindu scared devotion to cows.

The Partition forced many East Punjabi Muslims to move out and Tufail landed in Multan. He was the first singer to perform on Pakistan Television, or PTV, when it was launched in 1964.

Tufail’s “Main Naheen Janaa Khereyaa De Naal (Don’t Want to Come to Khereyaa)” is haunting. In Punjabi folklore, Khereyaa was Ranjha’s home town. This song often carries me away to a blissful neverland.

Baba Farid, after whom Faridkot in Pakistan is named, was a Muslim Sufi generally regarded as the “first major Punjabi poet”. Sikhs revere him as one of the 15 Sikh Bhagats and his select works form part of the Guru Granth Sahib.

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, his gruffly voice, vigour and pith, is rather well known to us because Bollywood has showcased his talent. Whenever I remember God, I remember Nusrat’s song Wohi Khuda Hai. It has one of the most apt definitions of God:

Dikhayi bhi jo na de, nazar bhi jo
aa raha hai, Wohi Khuda hai

(Not visible, yet apparent, That is what is God)

Guru Nanak Dev, the supreme Sikh saint, was himself a great poet. Everybody knows how well loved he was by Muslims and Sikhs both, so much so that when he died, Sikhs wanted to cremate him, while Muslims wanted a burial.

Now, if Pakistan fails to protect its Sikhs, it will fail to protect its own heritage.

Famous Punjabi tragic romances, which continue to inspire India’s Bollywood movie industry, include Heer-Ranjha by Waris Shah and Mirza-Sahiba by Peelu, who was a Muslim Jatt said to be from Majha, the midlands between Ravi and Beas rivers of the Punjab.

Pakistan’s Punjabi folk culture has had an enduring, alluring aura. It embodies something beyond politics, beyond war-mongering and stuttering conflicts. Something beyond the border.

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  • Sam

    >A banana republic of kangaroo courts and of savage society that swears by medieval values: Pakistan — to me — isn’t about all this. There is a Pakistan I adore and one that I abhor.

    >I loathe the way Pakistan has not just injured India but also itself over the years.

    Zia does not talk about Islam’s role in any of the things he hates about Pakistan.

    But he talks about Islam and muslims in the things he loves about Pakistan..

    All readers, please see this Bakwas..

    If he is truthful, he should write about Islam’s role in Pakistan’s hatred for Secular Hindu India.

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    bobby sen Reply:

    ” savage society that swears by medieval values” — isn’t this about Islam in Pakistan.

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    budha Reply:

    sam, tilt a little bit that fixated prism through which you view and judge everything..then through a new angle you will be able to see, for the first time in your life, the brighter side of the world and life around you!

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    Sher Reply:

    Be ‘liberal’ in your criticism of Pakistan Zia Haq. You have failed to mention even once the wahabi islamic zeal to decimate non-Muslim communities. In Pak’s case, the list also includes Shias and Ahemdiyas.

    Hindus and Sikhs living in Pakistan have seen their numbers dwindle fast after 1947 tragedy named ‘Partition’. They are offered two choices till date – convert or get beheaded.

    Factual errors in your essay too sir. for a follower of Punjabi folklore, you seem to work very hard before you teach other ‘uninitiated’ ones.

    “Tufail’s “Main Naheen Janaa Khereyaa De Naal (Don’t Want to Come to Khereyaa)” is haunting. In Punjabi folklore, Khereyaa was Ranjha’s home town.”

    ‘Ranjha’ (real name Deedo, ranjha roughly means ‘youthful’) was from village Takhat Hazara and ‘Khera’ is a Jat caste. heer was married against her wishes, as the folklore goes, to Saida Khera. Heer is alluding here that she does not want to go with Kheras.

    When Nanak died Muslims wanted burial and HINDUS wanted to cremate him… There was no community named ‘Sikhs’ with its own set of funeral rites and other socio-religious norms.

    shiv Batalvi is known as Punjabi Keats and no one else as he died young and …no one simply can match his caliber as far Punjabi poetry goes.

    Do more research Sir and let their be more of intellectual honesty.

    Sher Doaba

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  • Vinod Pandey

    Dear Zia, you need not be worried about the blinkered nationalists or what they say, as they ‘know not what they are doing.’
    Partition was the greatest damage the Britishers inflicted on us. The myopic politicians, of both India and Pakistan,did the rest. Today, we derive perverse pleasure from the other’s discomfiture.
    The sad part is—–there is no Berlin wall between the twins——-there is a wide gulf of mistrust , in the creation of which we, the ordinary people of India and Pakistan have, willy-nilly , participated . We get carried away by the politicians’ facility with deceit.

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    Abhay Reply:

    Friends,

    In hindsight I feel, partition was biggest boon to “secular India” Today Kashmir is giving so much of heart burns to nation. Imagine Baluchistan & Waziristan were part of India, could India ever have had Infosys’s of the world. There would be blood bath on the streets of Delhi/Mumbai like Lahore/Karachi.

    Secularism is not a religion, and it is least understood by narrow minded Islamist groups, for them here is no concept of “co-existence” it always was and is between “us” and “you”

    India will be more developed if we have one more partition, but this times a peaceful one, well negotiated and mutually beneficial. (eg Malaysia and Singapore both prospered).

    Hope there is some strong leader like Jinah, who creates one more partition – India will be grateful to this leader. No one likes amputation, even though non desirable and extemely painful, it is the only way to save the larger body.

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  • Sam

    “Our religion calls on us to kill everyone who does not believe in Allah and his Prophet Muhammed deeply,” Abdulrahman Abdullahi, a black-clad imam, declares in one DVD. [...]

    What kind of inflammatory literature would endorse such an open-ended call for violence against non-believers? Oh, wait:

    Qur’an 9:5: “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

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    numan Reply:

    this verse talks about the war with the pagans of Makkah….why dont you mention the next verse…

    Qur’an 9:6: And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.

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    DUDE Reply:

    @nunanmna

    why dont you go preach to your incest wife? dont be preaching that to innocent people!

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    Kishan Reply:

    In other words let him live only if he lives like a subjugated slave.

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    MKK Reply:

    This verse does not help much. All it says is spare them if they convert.

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    ismail Reply:

    Dont quote out of context. It was revealed in the context of declared war between pagans and muslims. It is not applicable in peace time.
    Dont consider yourself as brute pagan, you are blessed with vedas, a devine knowledge.
    Islam believes in free will of human that is why Allah says
    Dont show disrespect to others religions, their scripture and their deities
    There is no compulsion in religion
    For you is your religion, for them is their religion

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    DUDE Reply:

    Yo is mail ……….

    re convert back to your ancestral religion!

    cheers

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    Bani Reply:

    get rid of your blooming caste system first, the worst kind of apartheid sanctioned by religion,negating the oneness of human beings.Then perhaps you can chalk out a reconversion plan!

  • http://thegoofysufi.blogspot.com Amit Julka

    zia sahab,
    one of your best articles so far….the partition destroyed the unique syncretic culture of punjab…btw, since you are into punjabi culture, read up on shiv kumar batalvi’s poetry….you wont regret it

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    Varun Mahajan Reply:

    I second Amit Julka. Shiv Kumar Batalvi was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, Punjabi poet. Read/hear this poetry like ‘Birha tu sulatn’, ‘Shikra yaar banaya’, ‘Eh mera geet kisse na gaana’ etc.

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  • ela

    Hi Zia.Sorry but nothing new in your post .We have been hearing these things for the last 63 years.It is very predictable topic..And SAM please stop criticising Zia all the time.

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  • Amandeep Singh

    Beautiful Heart-rending piece Zia. That is all I can say! Kudos to you & shucks to hate mongers on both sides of the border. (Probably there are more of these hate-mongers in power across the border but our country has its own share too. The good thing is that they have mostly been kept out of the mainstream. For that credit must go to the people of our beautiful country India.

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  • L Mirza

    I am not sure whether Zia is nostalgic and romantic about a bygone time or whether he is stating that Pakistan Punjab remains the Punjab of Tufail and other great Dhrupd and other artists.

    Pakistan punjab is now considered a larger Taliban stronghold than other parts, even frontier area. A Tufail could not perform on national TV today. And many Sufi shrines have been demolished by the Salafi madrasa students.

    Zia is simply lying when he states a borderless Punjab remains, with all its arts and songs and “moderate ” (meaning Sufi) Islam prevalent.

    The downhill started ever since Zulfiker Ali Bhutto, under pressure from clerics, modified the constituition to be the Islamic Republic, and the final deathknell hammered by Zia Al Haq with his anti blasphemy promulgations.

    There is no Pakistan to love for even for a romantic. Obviously, we have to be considerate forf the “good ” Pakistanis (may be 10%?) as fellow human beings.

    The people have been so brainwashed, that a majority will say that the floods are the results of a RAW/CIA/Mossad conspiracy if a survey is taken now.

    It is not just a failed state. Aspirations have disappeared. Dreams have died. The landlords and the military had to work overtime to achieve something like this.

    I do not know; but I do not think even in Somalia, dreams have died.

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    farid Reply:

    ————when dream is lost———nothing remains—-darkness approaches.

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  • DUDE

    DUDE says no to islam……….

    VOTE for DUDE for next KING / PRESIDENT / PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA!

    I’ll clean the whole country up!
    I’ll make it prosper!
    I’ll create harmony!
    I’ll build whole new cities with fresh clean water for all!
    I’ll star in movies!
    I’ll have beautiful HOT women!
    I’ll make bollywood better than hollywood!
    I’ll get rid of all arabs!
    I’ll make bollywood free from underworld muslim chains!
    I’ll screen all muslim actors and put a stop to their stardom!
    I’ll get rid of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism!
    I’ll reclaim all our lands – Including afghanistan, pakistan, bangerstan!
    I’ll create buddist, jain, hindu finance!
    I’ll make sanskrit a must to learn for Real Indians.
    I’ll ship all muslims out to arabia. They can burden that dump with their countless incest babies!
    I’ll build real new places of worship, keeping in line with the old!
    I’ll create a new safe railway service!
    I’ll make India more green!
    I’ll be a trillionaire!
    I’ll create housing for all the true indians!
    I’ll erradicate poverty!
    I’ll make India Great!
    I’ll make India a footballing nation!
    I’ll make converting to Islam and any other fake abrahamic religion ILLEGAL!
    I’ll have one child policy for muslims who stay in India! – Very strict rule!
    I’ll make China one of India’s best allies!
    I’ll reclaim all assets and treasures that were stolen by Britain and rest of world!
    I’ll clean up the streets!

    VOTE FOR DUDE! …. DUDE LOVES YOU, WILL STICK BY YOU AND WILL GET RID OF THE SCUM!

    DUDE

    Reclaim all of Kasmir too! a must!

    oi Indian Government; invade pak land (old india land) and reclaim the streets!

    If pak takes indian kashmir! you people should be ashamed of yourselves! bend over backward dopes!

    do what the dumb paks do, ATTACKKKKKKKKK!

    DESTROY THAT DUMP AND RECLAIM! GET RID OF THESE RACIST, INTOLERANT MUSLIMS!

    PS.

    VOTE FOR DUDE!

    I’ll also get rid of all corrupt government officials! permenantly!
    I’ll deffo get rid of all muslim officials in indian government! No muslim will be allowed any say!

    VOTE FOR DUDE!

    ALL HINDUS, SIKHS, BUDDISTS, JAIN; VOTE IN UNISOM………..THE POWER OF ONE MASSIVE 800 MILLION VOTE, WILL PUT PRESSURE ON INDIAN GOVERNMENT TO GET RID OF ALL MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT LET INDIA BE RUN BY MUSLIMS! DON’T YOU KNOW THEIR AGENDA EVER SINCE THEY INVADED IRAN AND CAME TO THE BORDERS OF INDIA 1000 ODD YEARS AGO!

    peace

    VOTE FOR DUDE!

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ DUDE

    please stop your stupid rant

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    DUDE Reply:

    VOTE FOR DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YOU FOOL!

    with your bend over backward ideology!

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    Vineet Reply:

    relax dude ..chill :)

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    farid Reply:

    ———–prior to that ARYANS invaded India——they came from central ASIA—they were not MUSLIMS.

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    ABHINAV Reply:

    you are insane to believe such lies spread by whites to forget our glorius past and in the process lose our integrity and faith in our unmatchable intellectual and awesome figures of the past.
    you fool try reading some of our (hindu or better sanatan dharma-omniscient religion) books once in a while if aryans came from mid east asia why are all the cities and landmarks referred in books are indian origin why not shitters like kabul or tashkent.

    MAKE A NOTE FOOL-

    “Every society and religion is a mere candle,lighting in a windy night compared to the mighty afternoon sun of hindu literature and sanskrit is a boat by which one can travel vast horizons of the unbounded spiritual and mental ocean of divine knowledge that human race has ever or seemed capable of gathering.”

    ARYANS WERE BORN HERE AND WILL SURVIVE EVERY ONE OF YOU IGNORANT FOOLS.

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    Raz Reply:

    Dear DUDE,,, The future PM/ President…. You have to solve a few of the domestic/ international problems. Please read carefully…….

    1. Muslims are brutally mass murdered in Gaza/ Palestine.
    2. Many Muslim countries are bombed to ruins (includes part of Pak, Afghanistan, Iraq…….)
    3. Palestine is no more a nation now, instead that is a jail, the inmates are deprived of basic human rights and amenities…..
    4. The ministers/ officials/ people responsible for mass killing of Muslims in Gujrat are still roaming free. Actually they haven’t done any offense legally even more than 3000 Muslims were killed.
    5. The situation of Indian Muslims is nothing better today than what it was at the time of indepandance.
    6. On an average, more than 10 people are killed daily in Kashmir (yes they are Muslims)
    7. Indian state is denying the Kashmiri people their right to protest in UN.
    8. In Dec. 1992, a Masjid was demolished by a crazy mob led by some well known leaders who are still sitting in parliaments.
    9. Muslims are being discriminated at every level of their life even in India.
    10. Muslim youth is being targeted every now and than. Ask me for more details if you really cares.
    Dear Dude, the list is endless,,,,,,don’t see the situation only through your myopic views. Today the Muslims all over world are being targeted only because they are Muslim.

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  • DUDE

    Peace to all religions

    even if they are fake (abrahamic religions)

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Zia

    if you really love Pakistan , please pack your bags and fuc-k off over there. please take some brethren as well if possible.

    @Vinod Pandey

    you are a typical arsehhole. please get our historical facts right. bahot ho gaya dosti-dosti ka khel

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Actually all the wounds inflicted on India has been due to Pakistani punjabis who dominate their armed forces.

    All other pakistanis especially Balochis and Sindhis are no so anti-india when compared to punjabis and their slaves pathans.

    Total Nonsense…

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  • ela

    I guess it is hard being a muslim in India.Even a simple post becomes battleground. Zia can you give us your point of view? Since you love provoking so much ,why not write a post on this topic.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    STFU

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    ela Reply:

    +-

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    ela Reply:

    what does STFU mean?

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    Arun Krishnamurty Reply:

    Simple article by Muslim writer and we all start questioning his Indianess. But when you have an I d i o t called parotosh and rajeev, what did we expect

    Some of the morons on this forum, bent out of shape to rattle and rant about anything and everything Pakistani, that they forget they are showing their own bigoted mindset.

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    NAAM HI NAAM Reply:

    THE INDIA HAS BEEN AFFLICTED BY A DISEASE NAMED SECULARISM WHICH PUTS BLINKERS ON THE EYESIGHT , BRAIN , THINKING POWER , ACTIONS , NATION OR NATIONALIST , RIGHT THINKING . THATs WHY THEY START PUTTING NONSENSE ARGUMENTS ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MUSLIMS OR RATHER SAY MUSLIM DOMINATED PAKISTAN OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY . THESE PERSON DO NOT KNOW THE WAY INDIA WAS HUMILIATED IN RABBAT WHERE INDIRA GANDHI SENT ITS EMMISSARY TO PARTICIPATE IN A MUSLIM CONFEDRATION CONFERRENCE & HUMILATION IT SUFFERED WHEN HE WAS BLOCKED IN HIS HOTEL . NO BODY KNOW WHY HE WAS SENT THERE IN FIRST PLACE .

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    S Singh Reply:

    Arun

    Where did you gert this impression? Yes, there was one or two who wanted him to go to Pakistn if he loved PAkistan that much; but nobody questioned his Indianness, you fake naed Murthy

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    Rajeev Reply:

    KHrisnamurty,
    I know what you are…a porki behind Indian name.

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    budha Reply:

    you are absolutely true…these type of venomous worms like rajeeve and paratosh are the curse of hinduism…they sing hatred even when they do ‘it’ to their wives…i feel sad and dejected ..this is not our ,for that matter any religion,stand for!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    porki alert!!!!

    DUDE Reply:

    TODAYS UPDATE; PEACE WITH CHINA

    VOTE FOR DUDE!

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  • Vinay

    Pakistani people have got so engrossed with a religion they embraced couple of centuries ago, that they have totally forgotten about a civilization which started on the banks of river Sindhu; which gave the name to this subcontinent. The Pak Punjabis look for their identity in this acquired religion rather than the five rivers which have fed them through ages, have witnessed all the battles this society has waged, faith conversions they have undergone and gave their land a name. (That is the only thing which is unchanged in the history of this land. Sadly, people don’t seem to care about them).

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  • sam

    sorry – hindu religion is fake totally

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    Ron Reply:

    @SAM: We all know that. It was a word invented by Arabs for people living beyond Sindhu.

    The only true religion is Sanatan Dharma. On the contrary.\, Christianity is nothing but Judaism hijacked by rebels Jews and Islam is a kichdi of Christianity and Judaism both with it’s added flavor. All these Semitic religions are primitive, full of stupidity and have a message of hate. Only the Dharma of the Yogis is based on science and logic and has a message of love.

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    DUDE Reply:

    ffs …….. The abrahamic religions are fake!

    The word Hindu is the Persian name of the Indus River (Sanskrit Sindhu). It was only towards the end of the 18th century that the European merchants and colonists referred collectively to the followers of Indian religions as Hindus. Eventually, it came to define a precisely religious identity that includes any person of Indian origin who neither practiced Abrahamic religions nor non-Vedic Indian religions, such as Jainism, Sikhism or Buddhism, thereby encompassing a wide range of religious beliefs and practices related to Sanātana Dharma.

    The term Hinduism was soon appropriated by the Hindus in India themselves as they tried to establish a national, social and cultural identity opposed to European colonialism in India. Broadly known as the Sanātana Dharma.

    If you are saying that the Sanātana Dharma is fake … then my friend you are totally wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Abhay Reply:

    do not live in past glory, only way you go is back to stone age.

    If you prefer to live this “santana dharma” life, next time refuse to seek modern medical help when you are unwell. You may die young like stone age people…..

    Do not be pseudo, if you want to live modern life, wear a denim jeans than must have civilsed thoughts. thoughts of humanity. Move towards aethism, world will progress……

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    DUDE Reply:

    I oppose all retards who curse the True religions of India!

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    farid Reply:

    ===there is no Hindu religion——–may be Hindustani religion.

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    DUDE Reply:

    yawnnnnnnnnnnn

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    farid Reply:

    ———-is there a religion which can be called ———– ‘HINDU-RELIGION’?

    Farid,
    Tx.
    USA

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    Ashish Reply:

    @farid,
    why not?

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    farid Reply:

    ————-because no such religion was there—-is there now —-I cant say about future .Ask any INDIAN religious leader and read late P.M NEHERU’S books.

  • Abhi

    Islam is not what is written in a book, any book. Islam is what muslims do.

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    M. J. Shaikh Reply:

    So is Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism

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  • Sam

    How about similar things about Saudi Arabia ?
    (we all know how most muslims are never going to criticize S Arabia…
    the mother of all islamic evils, but at the same time gives enough money for all muslims to stop them from criticizing..)

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  • ramesh

    pakistan was intended to be the citadel of islam and the muslims,but was not to be,today muslims cannot stand muslims in this land of the pure and there is infighting at all levels of society’.at the advent of islam the present day pakistan was the killing feilds of hindus and buddhists. the grave yard of the innocent.they will never have peace in their land of the pure.it is the curse of the dead.even nature and the allmighty are not forgiving.dear zia what ever good you remember was never pakistan but was and is always indian to begin with.

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    M. J. Shaikh Reply:

    Pakistan is the citadel of Islam and the Muslims and will remain so until kingdom come. The killers have come from far away lands. Also the level of killing is the same in India too. Only difference is, in India the poor, weak and the deprived are being killed. One need not kill the other person with a knife or a gun. There are other ways to kill like the four small children who took vaccination for protection against measles but immediately died thereafter. Pakistan today is a fact of life and not all your renting or weeping will make it India again.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @M. J. Shaikh
    thank heavens for that ….. which Indian in his right senses would want to reunite with Pakistan? We thank Pakistan for being there; it keeps us from sharing a border with Afghanistan. Just don’t disintegrate, okay? And, if you or your brethrens want to visit, use a passport in your correct name and apply for visa rather than look for innovative border crossings.

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    ela Reply:

    We dont want it back.

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  • ramesh

    the minority sect of ahamadis who are victims of the flood in pakistan are denied help by the authorities.there is out right discremination in offering aid to the minorities from the aid workers and the establishment.this is the moral level the muslims in pak. have sunk to.pathetic.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    There was a news, but not widely covered or reported, about the rich farmers/landowners in the north (Punjab) doing something with the levies/canals upstream that caused flood downstream in Sindh. The report also mentioned a collusion of the government oficials with these rich farmers in this diversion.

    Does anybody have any info on this? I hope that is not what happened, but this is Pakistan!

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  • M. J. Shaikh

    Modern Zionism was born as a direct response to modern anti Semitism, the Jew tried their best to assimilate themselves in European societies but all their efforts were rejected by the diehard right wing nationalist/fascists groups. Adolf Hitler (Bal Thackeray’s hero) found an ingenious solution to the problem, he sent six million Jews to the gas chambers. The rest as they say is history…..there are 130 million Muslims in India, their situation is some what similar to the situation of Jew in Europe pre-world war two. Will the Muslims of India be sent to the gas chambers or will there be more of what happened in Mumbai on 26/11? Let us wait and see how time takes it’s own twists and turns…

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    What are you implying Shaikh? That Muslims in India are like the Jews during the Nazi times, that milliuons will be gased like they did in Europe?

    You should not be living in India if you belive in this. This is “arsh bharath” which has accepted every persecuted ab well as expanding groups. This is a country where the majority accepted a nominal minority as its rulers. The people who welcomed Christianity, Jewish religion, Zorostrianism, Islam (Kerala accepted ISlam long before the invaders came thru the north borders) centuriea ago – 2000 years ago for Christians and 1400 years ago for Muslims.

    This is a land os sages. Believe me,, gasing of milliosn of Muslims just will not happen. But, as you know, Some Msulims are working overtime (Like PFI in kerala) to create a situation that will lead to the killings of some muslims..may be that will set up the stage for secularists to clamour that India is a NAzi sate.

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    ela Reply:

    They will not be sent to gas chambers. They are our muslims and will live with us. Why do you pay attention to the fanatics ohere.

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    VK SINGH Reply:

    You are unnecessarily trying to ignite hatred. No body can say that any Indian muslim is denied what he deserves as an Indian. In case you put being a muslim before being an Indian, it becomes a different story altogather

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  • Vineet

    Well Zia. I dont think the Punjabi Pakistan which you like exists at all. if at all there were peace loving sufis they are being blasted away by the intolerant talibans. We jst will have more enemies at the gate

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  • J Devgan

    Some of our basic problems,for us in India and for the Pakistanis; started when we agreed to partition this great country,on the basis of religion(read blind ambition of few leaders).Imagine,had there been no partition,there would no danger of nuclear war on the subcontinent,no Kashmir imbroglio,great world’s genuine superpower,that would be India;no wasteful expenses on military compaigns,no unnecessary killings of our people(both sides).
    What did partition gave us? Fundamentalistic mindset,terror tolerant citizens,sickly Pakistan and Bangladesh,all sapping border conflicts,Kashmir problem,ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan which hundreds of years Muslim Rule and conversions,had not achieved.
    All the saints and sufis were forgotten in no time.
    Let us undo partition,if we can.

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    syed Reply:

    Interesting declaration from the Canadian Council of Imams. Hope it’s the nucleus for something bigger.

    http://www.canadiancouncilofimams.com/pages/EklEVVVZFkFzwZtrsi.shtml

    The core: We believe in peaceful coexistence, dialogue, bridge building, and cooperation among all faiths and people for the common good of humanity. The sanctity of human life overrides the sanctity of religious laws. Islamic rulings do not — and should not — contradict natural laws.

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    Sam Reply:

    What is new ?

    This declaration may be done with good intentions, but it is not clearly defined or quite a few weasel words.

    > In point1 : All human beings are equal, and all of them are the children of Adam and Eve (peace be upon them).
    So if people do not believe that they are children of Adam&Eve are they still equal ?

    > In point 2 : Islam does not permit the killing of innocent people,
    Can an Kafir be innocent ? there are several educated islamic professors and lawyers who say that this islamic rule does not apply to kafirs.

    > In point 3 : Islam upholds the sanctity of religion, life, intellect, family/society, and property.

    Can they give equal rights to other religions ?
    Islam clearly defines how Dhimmis should act.
    How Jews/christians cannot build their places of congregation..

    >In point 4 : following the pristine teachings of Islam leads to good citizenship
    what are those teachings ?
    Sharia, beheadings, jizya, triple talak ? please tell us more..

    1. Who is innocent ?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Syed

    Thanks. What is the process in Ulema to endorse a “regional” recommendation… after all, Canada is a quiet region.. How will this be received by Imams in Paaistan?;Or India?

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    Sam Reply:

    Do they regionally endorse killing Kaafirs ?

    http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/confessions.htm

    This Bangladeshi Hindu was caught in the street. He was brought to the mosque and was beaten to death. His pleads for mercy had no effect on the stone-hard hearts of the Muslim Satan worshippers. They chanted, “kill the kafir, kill the kafir” and shouted Allah u Akbar while Vimal Patak met his agonizing death.

  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    the article posted by Zia shows that he dreams about the same old pre independence unpartitioned India. however today in the 21st century , this Heer-Ranjha , Sufi Punjabi , Baba Fareed , Taufel etc is a total bull s-h-i-t.

    let Pakistan be treated as a separate nation with separate culture and values and definitely as an enemy nation.

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  • guys

    Guys,

    Here are some web sites you all must go through and spread to understand the real threat of Islam.

    FaithFreedom.org
    JihadWatch.org
    TheReligionOfPeace.com
    islam-watch.org

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  • Sam

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1168647/pg1

    Pakistan: Flood aid withheld from “non-Muslim” Ahmadis as country depends on aid from… non-Muslims

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  • ramesh

    it was good strategy by congress in 1947 to let jinnah have his way to pakistan .by this the intolerant,nonsecular cancerous elements left on their own,the bloodshed was unfortunate result of their deep rooted lust for violence.what remained was secular and has progressed through the yrs.minorities have their problems every where,nothing we can not manage in a public domain.see how they are treated in pak and how they have dwindled,

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    J Devgan Reply:

    This is no logic to justify partition.The cancer never goes away.That cancer has flourished and is hurting our body and soul,by harbouring terrorism.
    The partition has only brought miseries to huge no of our countrymen,killings of millions,humongous losses,creation of a permanent enemy on our door(armed now with nuclear weapons),ethnic cleansing(such a inhuman word now) of all hindus and sikhs in NWFP,W.Punjab and Sindh,where they had lived for centuries.
    Partition was most horrific thing ever to inflict on Indians.
    I will not like this to be thought of as Congress Strategy to let it happen.If they ever were shown to do this,they have committed an unpardonable sin.

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  • Kishan

    Mr Zia
    On balance, the things to be loathed in Pakistan are gaining dominance over things to be loved.
    So your write up is wide off the mark in present day Pakistan.
    For the present day Pakistan romanticism and nostalgia are a sign of weakness as is Sufism.
    Remember Sufism is a unique system of belief in the Indian sub-continent born when Islam came in touch with Hinduism. Today it is hated in Pakistan.

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  • Kalyani Kapur

    Zia, your articles do little but provoke people. Is this some sort of sadistic disease you are inflicted with. If yes, please get a doctor’s help & just leave all of us alone so we can decide for ourselves. We surely don’t need your assistance. You are not much of a journalist, so do yourself a favour & find another career.

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    Sam Reply:

    Zia has nothing to say about this video where two young boys are beaten to death and their bodies hanged.. police encourage this just based on suspicion..

    http://thecurrentaffairs.com/sialkot-killing-video-police-is-with-you-said-dpo-police-sialkot-geo-news-exclusive.html

    If this happens to muslims boys, imagine how kaafir’s life will be in islamic countries..

    It is good most Hindus/sikhs migrated out of islamic thug areas to save their lives..

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  • syed

    @Gopi,

    I don’t think there is any such laid down process for anything such as a regional recommendation. However we can hope that such a declaration would have local impact that may in time spread outwards.

    The very fact that a collective bunch of imams seem to be talking the language of common sense gives me some hope.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Syed

    Yes. Let us hope other regions, especially South Asia, pick this trend! Self-destruction is not a hope nor a solution!

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Gopi

    the core of all the problem is Islam. destroy Islam , and humanity will be at peace

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Islam is not the problem but political Islam is problem…

    Sam Reply:

    Islam and political islam are in-separable twins.

    They do not have separate books for islam and political islam.
    Sharia, jihad, dhimmi’s, talak, marriage, stone throwing punishments…
    (these are not separable into a different book or volume to be kept on a different shelf)..

    Democracy can accept and survive Islam.
    But Islam cannot accept democracy.

    in the end islam will go down into the dustbin of history, just like several failed idealogies went ..

  • budha

    zia, i know you won’t mind the rabid ranting of the bhajarangis…the piece was brilliant ..the esthetic sense is alien
    to the bhajis..keep on posting such articles..keep on provacating (as someone commented) them..until they go and stand in front of a mirror and see their ugly faces..

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  • aman

    this was just a view shared by zia , i dont know why it disturbed indian and pak talibanis so much (but then they r talibani…). I have often seen these sam dudes shouting over the roof on many blogs, and thanks god civil society dont give a damn abt them.
    Partition was something where humanity failed. If it was politically induced why did hindu sikh muslim participated in the festival of bloodshed?
    We dont learn from our mistakes
    Keep writing zia.. For a history that went wrong

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    Sam Reply:

    >Partition was something where humanity failed.

    Muslims keep saying that they cannot live with Infidels and kaafirs..

    Jinnah is the biggest power hungry thug..
    his tongue can utter anything, if he gets power..

    Indians (& Hindus) believe they can live with different religious people.
    Inspite of this vivisection, they went for secular govt.
    they are stupid in that action and paying with their second class status in their own country.

    The pilgrims to Amarnath Hindu shrine are taxed by the muslim majority J&K, while Hindus pay for Hajj pilgrimage to Muslims..
    (what a shame).

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  • D Mishra, UK

    Here in UK, I met a young Indian muslim doctor from Hyderabad. Nice girl. In the midst of a long conversation she mentioned that her Indian patriotism had been dead till her teens. In fact her family used to cheer for the Pak cricket team.

    There were many reasons for that. There was a feeling of alienation, there was an episode involving a communal riot, or maybe there was just a feeling of bonding with co-religionists.

    As she grew up, her outlook changed. She thinks of herself as an Indian now. Many reasons for that too, but surprisingly one of the most imp one was the emergence of muslim icons like Shahrukh Khan!!

    I did not mind her views at all. IN FACT, THESE VOICES NEED TO BE HEARD.

    I think we need to hear more muslim voices from India. Whatever their feelings, they need to be aired. Yes, Pak is a dangerous unstable neighbour, but that does not stop anyone keeping some communications lines open, even if by mutual appreciation of some culture, music and poetry.

    We are Indians after all. Shastrarth and vartalap is the cornerstone of our Hindu civilization.

    Therefore, Zia, keep writing and opening your heart to us. I loved your piece.

    Dr Dev Mishra, of AIIMS and UK

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    Sam Reply:

    >As she grew up, her outlook changed. She thinks of herself as an Indian now.

    If this is “true” that is good news.

    Maybe she is lying, just to please you as a doctor.

    Have you seen if there is additional proof to believe her statements ?

    How can we know, if it is not part of Taqiyya ?
    Islam says, that they are allowed to lie when dealing with Kaafir’s.

    Islam is extremely good at lying (to Kaafirs) and breaking their treaties with Infidels.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    We cannot have blanket statements about one group’s or one individual’s patriotism, love of ones country etc.

    Damage is done by many means, not just through terrorist acts. There are many Hindus, Christins, Sikhs (and of course Muslims) who deal in nefarious activities, corrupt partices, denying food, shelter, healthcare etc to the deserving. Can we call these people patriotic? Do they have love for India?

    I do understand many Muslims take the wrong (or right to them!) path using literal interpretatiosn of the Book . They are sawing destruction all over the world; they do not have a country, they do have a belief, that is all. And that belief kills their own bretheren – Shia, Sufi, Ahamadiya, people belonging to other siunni sects, people from otehr religions..

    There is a big problem happening in Kerala; I do not think it has got the appropriate national attention. Kerala will become the next Kashmir. PFI, an extremist LeT affiliated Muslim party is creating big problem here. While teh ruling Marxist party has criticized it, it has not banned it , saying that banning is a central govt responsibility. Radical Muslim leader Madani was arrested two weeks ago by Karnataka police; but the Marxist government was less than cooperative in his arrest (him being their electoral ally in the last election).

    The rise of extremist Muslim parties does not have anything to do with depravation, education, access to opportunities – Kerala Msulims are richer than Hindus, theer are several elected representatives and municipal chairmen, they are significantly better educated than the Muslims in North india, there aer no ghettoes – Muslims, hindus, christians all live in contiguous areas..So, if Kerala M uslim has a problem, then better watch out!

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    Sam Reply:

    >So, if Kerala M uslim has a problem

    So what is Kerala Muslim’s problem ?

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    I did my graduate (masters) program in an US University. There were many Indians, of all religions. There was an Indian Students Association, where most of the Indian students were members. However, majority of the Muslim students stayed away from the Indian Association. However, they were all members of the Islamic Students Association at the university, an association of Muslim students from all over.

    The Indian Association would have many writers, philosophers etc from India to lecture to the group. Muslim students turned up very rarely.

    It looks like many, for no reason at all, grow up with hatred (difficult to believe). Or, may be, a neutral state – there is no hatred , and no sense of affiliation to the country. But the Mullah based early Madrasa and religious education/training may be solidifying and reinforcing the affiliation with other Muslims while ignoring other aspects.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @Binoy

    I experienced the same thing when I was at U of I ten years ago

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This is true but Indian and pakistani muslims are treated as second grade in such Islamic associations.

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  • L Mirza

    Zia says there is a part of Pakistan he ‘loves”.. Tufal’s Punjab; to him, it is borderless, transcending..

    Obviously, it is a romantic notion, something one wishes is true; but the reality is far from this nostalgic notion.

    Moderate Barelvism rooted in Sufism has been taken over by the fundamentalist, extremist Deobandism in Punjab and elsewhere in Pak, with 70% Madrasas run by Deobandis. William Darlymple, in his “Nine Lives”, talks about the extremism vis-a-vis demolituon of Sufi shrines.

    Zia Haq put a chain on the people tying them to the sands (literally sands – that is all what they are getting now) of Arabia, an Arabia of AD 650. So, the students of Punjab, and elsewhere in Pakistan, do not study about Indus Valley civilization and their roots. There is no Tufall and Dhrupad in their version of Punjab.

    The tragedy of Pakistan is that, even elites and talk show and other “respected’ personalities on Pakistan TV channels are becoming “fundamentalist” (may be they have to, to keep their viewership), blaming everything on USA, Israel, India. No blame is put on their institutions (or lack of); believing that a Muslim will not and cannot do the mayhems that is a daily occurrence. So, there is nothing to act upon!

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    Sam Reply:

    Sharia Law:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0DJjrOxE9I&feature=related

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  • Ashish

    @L Mirza,
    I think your use of the word “romantic” hits the nail on the head.
    The votaries of “people to people” contact, civil society exchanges and cross-border “bhaichara” have a logic that runs (roughly) as follows:
    - somehow, people power is so powerful that it trumps the army, the mullahs and the politicians (who, as you correctly observed have to play to the extremist gallery to maintain viewership.)

    The assumption, implicit in the above, is that an average/ large majority of Pakistani has nothing
    but love for India. Is that assumption true?
    As Pakistan sinks into chaos, the tendency of its beleagured citizens is to blame the Zionist, American and Hindu nexus for all the ills afflicting their country. As time goes by, and extremism strikes even deeper roots, this trend will only gather force. We are foolish if we think that we can influence the trend from across the border.
    Yes, Pakistani people are different from Pakistani state or army. But, remember, it is an extremely feudal society, with entrenched roles for the army. If there was no “market” for extremism, why would the TV commentators risk fulminating against India?
    Nothing stops us from appreciating good poetry or music or food from across the border. But, it is fallacious to take that as a basis for statecraft or indeed, imagine, this can lead to lowering of tensions.

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    DUDE Reply:

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    re-convert all brown people of the indian sub continent back to their ancestral religions!

    AND THE Terrorist few can go back to arabia to spew more garbage!

    if the people of abrhamic religions want to stay in REAL WHOLE INDIA! Then they shall be TAXED much more than real indians!

    And also they will be given a one child policy like how the chinese did!

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  • DUDE

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  • DUDE

    WHO was that notorious muslim SERIAL KILLER in pakistan about 10 years ago i think?

    He killed over 100 boys…..

    he used to make friends with them and have constant gay, peadophile sex with them, and corrupt muslim police would pay the serial killer so that they can have intercourse with the young boys…….

    think he killed em in bath tubs with acid etc cant remember……….

    other muslims prob defend him……. tut tut

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    DUDE Reply:

    Javed Iqbal Mughal

    was his name lol

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    DUDE Reply:

    “A week after his sentencing, a Pakistan’s top religious said the planned execution of serial killer Javed Iqbal went against Islamic tenets. Though the sentence of the killer called for his body to be cut into 100 pieces and dissolved in a vat of acid, the Council of Islamic Ideology said that would desecrate the killer’s body, which would go against the Islamic teaching of respect for the body of the deceased.”

    lol ‘went against islamic tenets’…………..oh ye what about all the mass genocides that islamic oppressors have committed in the past?

    hypocrites

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  • DUDE

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  • DUDE

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  • Sam

    Please read the sorry state of Hindus in Bangladesh..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

    Declining Hindu population in Bangladesh region Year Percentage (%)
    1941 28.0
    1951 22.0
    1961 18.5
    1974 13.5
    1981 12.13
    1991 11.62
    2001 9.2 [2]

    On 3 January, 1964, an unprovoked carnage of the Hindus took place in major cities of East Pakistan. In the city of Khulna alone thousands of Hindus were killed in one night. It was aided and abbeted by the then Government of Pakistan. A false rumour was spread that the Hindus in India stole the sacred hair of the Prophet Mohammed from the Hazarat Bal Mosque in Kashmir. This ignited the passion of the Muslims to go berserk and as a result scores of Hindus were murdered. It was followed by a mass exodus of the hapless Hindus from East Pakistan to India[citation needed]

    Despite the public commitment of Sheikh Mujib and his government to re-establishing secularism and rights of non-Muslim religious groups, two significant aspects of his rule remain controversial as relates to the conditions of Hindus in Bangladesh. The first was his refusal to return the premises of the Ramna Kali Mandir, historically the most important temple in Dhaka, to the religious body that owned the property. This centuries old Hindu temple was demolished by the Pakistan army during the Bangladesh Liberation War and around one hundred devotees murdered. Under the provisions of the Enemy Property Act it was determined that ownership of the property could not be established as there were no surviving members to claim inherited rights, and the land was handed over to the Dhaka Club.

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    farid Reply:

    ——the said KALI_MANDIR—destroyed by PAKISTANIS——-now re-constructed and any one can go for PUJA—– but BABRI MASHJID has not yet been reconstructed –the unfortunate thing is that it was destroyed by hooligans with government backing———this is quite unthinkable in Bangladesh. Migration takes place all the times and at all the places.
    One third of BANGLADESH’s population are migrants from INDIAN MUSLIMS and they have been
    absorbed in the society.It is true ,IN a HINDU family of four at least one goes to INDIA and mostly they are educated and rich.
    I do not blame anybody—–here in USA number INDIANS will be around 3 million and they are not
    RED-INDIANS.

    farid,
    tx.
    USA

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  • SKChadha

    “There is a Pakistan I adore and one that I abhor.”

    Zia – You have beautifully put your point when described the rich heritage of Punjab on both sides of the border. However, rather than having abhorrence for Pakistan, you should have pittance on its condition. I think you have also became too poetic in ‘adore and abhor’.

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  • asad

    it makes me sad to see such an outpouring of hate under a post obviously directed at trying to find common ground among us, as well as casting our diversities in a more positive light. you see pakistanis hating indians for a stale unimportant issue such as kashmir, and indians with an irrational phobia of islam and muslims. even on this site? can you not contain your antipathies so those of us that are ready to move on and embrace change and peace at least stand a chance? can we not attempt to remedy the wounds that irrational people such as yourself have inflicted with your hatred?

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    Sam Reply:

    Indians are irrational, as they do not have a phobia of Islam.

    look at the status of Hindus in Bangladesh..
    Millions of them are killed ..

    Islam killed 80 million Hindus in the biggest genocide in the whole world.

    Inspite of that, they still opt for a secular country
    (when both Pak/Bangla go for islamic jihadist culture)..

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    farid Reply:

    ————-ooooooooo———Jehadis are creaing problems for Bangladesh also ——not a single HINDU was killed in BANGLADESH–for being a HINDU.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    That’s a lie..Jehadis in Bangladesh regularly attack hindus and take over their land.

    farid Reply:

    @Rajeeb
    Dear sir,
    ————–Maoist JEHADIS are also killing people [including Muslims] in INDIA–Many of the attacked persons can not live in their houses———Strangely,a central cabinet member endorses it——-sorry to say.

    SKChadha Reply:

    My dear Asad,
    The basic difference lies in ideology of our two nations. India is secular and Pakistan is a Muslim country. Our good wishes for Pakistan, whatever small they are, are directed towards its entire citizenry, whereas voices emanating from Pakistan are directed mainly towards India’s Muslim population only. Hence, such voices from Pakistan are attributed as false motive of our neighboring nation. The feeling would not have pinched so much if India would have also been a religion based State. Religion or faith here is personal to anyone? We cajole, entice, criticize and persuade each other on religious beliefs and enjoy or feel annoyed but do not have feeling of hatred for each other. The voices of Pakistan may be with good intentions, but when they are directed to a particular community or protectionist for a particular religion alone is making more harm only to that community or religion. The enimocity between the two nations come on forefront and only agitates masses here as also further alienates society. Moreover, such intention creates more mistrust towards motives of our neighboring country. It is fact that religious intolerance still exists in India, but believe me the efforts of our masses are to dose it and not to give air to it. The atrocities are highlighted in mainline media for correction and not for advertising hatred by skewing it in favors of a particular religion. Zia’s blogs are safety valve to vent out such feelings and cool down the fire. We all admire him for his contribution to our society. If you read comments carefully, you will observe that he is lauded for his efforts, even in criticisms. The disliking expressed against Islam or Muslims is only due to the scars of Partition and the terror inflicted from across the border in the name of religion. You can further observe this cross border effect in Mr. Madani’s, encounter with Gen. Musharaff. He is an elite Muslim leader and our Rajya Sabha Member at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CXrHxC8MY.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    As Ashish said “enjoy music and food, but let it not be the basis of statecraft”..

    Pakistan is beyond any redemption, working overtime to become a Somalia in our neighbourhood.

    As every day passes, it is becoming even more different and distant. Our “Pakistan” focus should strictly be on border security and terrorism, and nothing more.

    We should spend some energy on Bangla Desh, the news from there in the recent past has been quite encouraging.

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    SKChadha Reply:

    Gopi,
    Your reference to Bangladesh remind me a story a recent story “Bangladesh War’s Toll on Women Still Undiscussed” published in New York Times whosoever is interested may please read at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/world/asia/25iht-letter.html?_r=1&ref=asia

    Sam Reply:

    Shame on India…
    India should have prosecuted Pak army people involved in rape and hanged them in public.

    Indian political leaders did not do this, and shame on them..

    shan Reply:

    @gopi thomas, I wouldn’t count your chickens yet. I recently stumbled upon a piece of news while buying groceries from a bangladeshi shop in east london. It was a headline in a vernacular paper called euro bangla. The headline is Hasina pulls all stops to deislamasize
    bangladesh. The tone and tenor of the article was virulently anti hasina with a not so subtle hint that all this was done at the behest of delhi.

  • DUDE

    anyone know how to re convert muslim people by force? honest question?

    anyone know how to gain mass political weight to turn the people against the terrorists (muslims)?

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  • Sam

    Rights of non-muslims in an islamic state.

    Do not be surprised when Pakistan & Bangladesh will impose Jizya on Hindus there.
    Afterall it is recommended by Islam.

    They have to impose Jizya to humiliate Hindus.

    http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/Rights-of-Non-Muslims.pdf

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    farid Reply:

    ———–NEVER IN BANGLADESH——BANGLADESH IS A MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRY— BUT IT IS A PEOPLES REPUBLIC ——–NOT AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Farid,
    Please visit official websites of Bangladesh and know the truth. Bangladesh is an Islamic republic.

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    farid Reply:

    @ RAJEEB,

    PLEASE READ THE CONSTITUTION OF BANGLADESH .

    Rajeev Reply:

    BD’s state religion is Islam.

    US department of State cites Bangladeshi constituition about Islam as state religion
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90226.htm
    The Constitution establishes Islam as the state religion but provides for the right to profess, practice, or propagate, subject to law, public order, and morality, the religion of one’s choice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Bangladesh
    ‘The Constitution establishes Islam as the state religion’

    from NY times
    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/08/world/bangladesh-parliament-votes-to-make-islam-state-religion.html

    BD hindus says so
    http://www.bangladeshihindu.com/

    Farid,
    Pl. know more about your country. Thanks to Sheikh hasina it is getting back to its secular roots but this can reverse if BNP comes back to power.

    farid Reply:

    ——-@ rajeeb,

    ———Nowhere in the aforementioned documents said—Bangladesh is an Islamic
    Republic.
    Ershad made Islam state religion—-that has been narated only —Ershad’s that action has also been negated by the highest court——–now Ershad faces prosecution.

    OPEN THE CONSTITUTION————YOU WILL FIND—–CONSTITUTION OF THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF BANGLADESH ————

    R U fine?

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    They are trying to sabotage even India and are succeeding partially. It is little difficult here due to its size and inherent resilience.

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  • Bani

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  • RK Sharma

    When politicians are themselves rapists , why will they make any law, nothing will happen in India, tomorrow if something happens to me i will die in case i am not well connected with money along with physical power, Imagine if the boy who was trying to save this girl would have hit Ram Singh on head with full force using iron rod and Ram Singh was dead, other 6 would have scared, Indians are violent and indifferent, i repeat nothing will work in India, a country which was founded on false ego and wrong policies of Gandhi and Nehru is not a fit country to live, Real patriots like Netaji Bose and Bhagat Singh were sidelined, Netaji Bose was thrown out of Congress but Gandhi and he was killed in Russian prison by Stalin under pressure from Nehru, When base is wrong what is the end Result, same Gandhi has Rajghat where politicians do dramas every now and than, Have you ever heard a powerful politician daughter getting raped or Police commissioner home getting on fire; only common person will get beating and only their daughters are unsafe, Each man and woman on his own, what will these Candle light vigils do where our old politicians are shameless and emotionless. Also too many intellectual spoil show look at Janlokpal, what happened Aruna Roy was thrown as pawn to defeat Anna Hazare, with only debates end result, nothing happened. But this 23 year old Gang rape shakes me also, they way they tortured her runs a fear in my body also, i hope at-least some fear of law remains and country doesn’t go to dogs.

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    Hima Bindu Reply:

    When all these will stop.. Indian is still dependent..We din’t got Independence..God will our Indian girls will be safe. Is only mother womb is the safest place for us? are we not suppose to go anywhere without fear?

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  • P Agrawal

    What can be expected from politicians when almost one-third of themselves have criminal record. One just have to read the statements given by various politicians of broad spectrum to see through their chauvinistic mind-set. Politicians and police who do not help or register cases against molestations and rape should also be tried for the same crime as the accused. All politicians with criminal record should be asked to resign and those with cases against them should be suspended until the cases are heard and settled. Police personnel should be tried for lapses and charged as criminals.

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    Sonali Reply:

    Justice
    I dont understand why the India Goverment waited such a long time to take an action against such crimes. Police are also to be blamed for their ignorances when thousands of reports made against various cases, they are suppose to safe guard the public especialy women but they did not take any actions to all the reported cases and this incident will be a good lesson to all the Police Dept & Politicians in India. If only the actions was taken earlier, this poor girl will not been a victim today……..By hanging the 6 evils is not a great punishment, they should be tortured before the final punishment……India Govenrment & Police Depts,forget about earing assets than concentrating in human life. You should be embarrased of all the violences happening in your own country and yet you people can’t find a solutions to all the crimes…….May the God Save India…

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  • Hima Bindu

    hatsoff girl for ur courage battle..may ur soul rest in peace..

    but we know until those country brutes (who tortured u and killed) hanged
    till the death u will not have peace. Un jaanvaro ko utna hi torture karna jitna
    unhone is ladki ko diye the..they should know the pain, they should pay for what
    they did to the girl..Not only those ******** but for all whoever rape a lady or
    a girl should be sentenced to death.This is the ONLY solution. Until this law
    introduces in our Indian Judiciary there will be no end for the rapes. And I
    urge u Police of all the parts of our country please accept the complaints of
    girls no matter they are of eve-teasing, raging or rapes please responed and
    show quick action on that.But we all Indians demand u to kill those six ********
    in public torture them by any means but should know the pain in the same way
    what they gave to her, No matter there is a minor in the group,even if he is the
    minor y that sick fellow did this,he is no more a minor he is very matured so he
    have friends like that street dogs, i mean the remaining fellows, they are more
    than the wild animals by just covering themselves with human face. HANG THOSE
    SIX PHSYCO’s IMMIDIATELY.

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  • Dr.Yogesh Sharma

    1.
    The cases in which the victim dies or
    get serious injury, in such cases the rapist/rapists should be given Capital
    Punishment. The victim must be given a suitable government job and Rs. 20 lakhs
    as compensation.

    2.
    The cases where the rape is committed
    in a forced, ruthless and violent manner but the victim does not die nor gets
    serious injuries, the rapist/rapists should be given life imprisonment and
    chemically the rapist should be castrated. He must be fined according to his
    financial status but not less than Rs.10 lakhs. The victim must be given
    government job and Rs. 10 lakhs as compensation.

    3.
    In other rape cases where blackmailing,
    threat, allurement, false promises etc., methodology has been used the rapist
    should be awarded at least 10 years imprisonment. The victim should be given
    government job and 5 lakhs as compensation.

    4.
    Charge sheet must be filed within 7
    days. If the concern officer fails to adhere to the time limit, he should be
    dismissed from the job. Zero tolerance must be there.

    5.
    Only women police officers should
    investigate rape cases.

    6.
    Hearing of the rape, molestation, acid
    throwing cases must be held on the day to day basis.

    7.
    District and Session level judge must
    decide the case within 3 months. If the judge fails to decide the case within
    the given period, he must be dismissed from the job.

    8.
    High Courts and Supreme Courts Judges
    also must be given only 3 moths jointly to deliver the judgment. If they fail
    to deliver the judgment within the stipulated time they should also do not be
    given any promotion, increments or any other consequential benefits.

    9.
    If at any level any lawyer/legal expert
    is found guilty of using delaying/prolonging tactics, his license/registration
    should immediately be terminated and a fine of Rs.5 lakhs must be imposed.

    10.
    If police gets concrete/solid evidence
    like CCTV footage, witnessed by responsible citizen such as Class I & II
    Officer, Gazetted Officer, Army/Air Force/Navy Officers, Doctor, Professor, Scientists,
    Professionals of some reputed groups such as Tata, Birla, Ambani, Hinduja,
    Caterpillar, Facebook, Twitter, etc., of eve teasing, molestation or harassment
    the criminal must be publicly flogged and be paraded with face blackened. In
    such cases the criminal must be given 3 years imprisonment and at least 1 lakh
    fine after summary trial.

    11.
    If any person throws acid or harm
    physically on any girl it should also be treated at par with rape and in the
    same manner the criminal must be punished and the victim must be given a
    government job with 10 lakh compensation.

    12.
    If any crime is committed against women
    such as rape, eve teasing, molestation, acid throwing and the concern police
    officer fail to identify and arrest the culprit, the police officer must be
    dismissed from the job.

    13.
    Police and judicial reforms should be
    done as early as possible.

    14. Justice department must have
    an all abiding calendar on the pattern of academic/university calendar.

    15. As teachers/universities finish all the work within the
    date of academic/university calendar, similarly judiciary must stick to judicial
    calendar.

    16. Meritorious students should be appointed as judicial
    magistrates from the reputed law colleges through campus selection for speedy
    trials.

    17. As there is rampant absenteeism, corruption problem
    among judges and court staff, so to check absenteeism of judges and court staff,
    Bio-Metric machines should be installed to check their attendance/presence.

    18. CCTV Cameras should be installed to monitor the
    workings of judges, lawyers, and court staff and to check corruption.

    19. AS most of the judges and lawyers are academically very
    poor so in promotions their performance, merit, academic excellence, research
    work and published work should be checked to promote excellence as it is done
    in the promotion of University and College teachers.

    20. Academically poor judges, corrupt judges should be
    dismissed from the job after summary trial as the practice is in the Army.

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  • nida

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    thm at their convenience?
    Let us be absent wen it matters most. Let d world get a taste of our disgust. Let us shame thm by playing their game.
    if u agree then pls share and spread the word…

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