If it’s not necessary to oppose Sibal, it’s necessary not to oppose Sibal



If I were a faqih, or a certified graduate in Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), I would have issued this fatwa (edict): When it is not necessary to oppose, it is necessary not to oppose.

By opposing efforts to refurbish what they teach, madrassas or Muslim religious schools are bleeding us with a self-inflicted wound.

India’s booming economy will leave us behind if we fail to realise how important mainstream education is.

Madrassa administrators have questioned the “Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Act, 2009”, informally called the right to education Act, on several counts, including a claim that it effectively outlaws Muslim seminaries.

The law is being seen clashing with another one, Article 30. Under Article 30, India’s Constitution confers two rights on minorities – (a) the right to set up their own institution; and (b) the right to run it independently with a virtual free hand.

I wrote a frontpager on it on July 5.  Some of the clerics’ concerns may be legally valid, the story had stated, quoting experts.

My report somehow led some people to feel I commiserated with the clerics. They called me up to understand my personal view. Merely reporting a development doesn’t tie the reporter and the cause together, I told them.

Minority affairs minister Salman Khurshid said the fear of madrassas is unfounded. The clerics, he said, are “fighting phantoms”. I think they are fighting against our own progress.

The high-level Sachar committee report on disadvantages faced by Muslims has pointed out that only 4% of Muslim children attended madrassas. That’s hardly a consolation. What the report forgot to tell us is that most of the rest 96% probably do not go to school at all.

The report also found that Muslims hold fewer than 5% of government jobs and make up only 4% of undergraduates. The report also found that, though self-employed at a far higher rate, Muslims are far behind other groups in terms of access to credit.

Between themselves, these statistics sums up the benighted socio-economic conditions of Indian Muslims. How are we supposed to overcome these basic barriers without an education that is relevant?

It is time the clerics loosened their grip on poor Muslim children. Islam doesn’t require every Muslim to be an alim (graduate in Islamic sciences). However, mushrooming madrassas, with their free meals, accommodation and religious appeal, remain an attractive option.

The bigger picture is about balancing religious learning with modern education. Muslims want employment, a decent life and equality on all platforms. However, employment is a function of education and skills, none of which can be realistically acquired by attending a madrassa alone. An educated Muslim is more resilient to all forms of disadvantages or discrimination.

Darul Uloom, Deoband, has been the wellspring of madrassas in South Asia. My several trips to Deoband gave an opportunity to look into what it teaches. Before I attempt to loosely describe its curriculum, it may be hard to believe if I tell you that they simply don’t teach jihad. This aspect of Islam is limited to an understanding of jihad as a spiritual concept.

Regardless of the “school of thought” they belong to — Deobandi, Barelvi or Ahl-e-Hadith — most madrassas follow a standardised course called Nizami, institutionalized by the Deoband seminary in 1867. It has roughly 20 subjects falling mainly into two categories: al-ulum an-naqliya (the transmitted sciences), and al-ulum al-aqliya (the rational sciences), include grammar, philosophy, Arabic literature and logic studies.

Notably, not every subject is purely theological or restricted to Islamic law, jurisprudence, Hadith, and Tafsir (interpretation of the Quran). The course includes medicine, mathematics and polemics. However, the courseware is thoroughly outdated. Madrassas teach human anatomy that predates Gray’s Anatomy. The range of their curriculum is restricted to the classical period.

Bangladesh’s Quomi madrassas have made themselves relevant in a very interesting way by successfully incorporating humanities and sciences.

There have been some attempts to mainstream Indian madrassas, like offering linkages with university education and bringing certain government-supervised madrassas on a par with secondary schooling certificates, like CBSE. I will tell you why this was such a bad call.

This move of the predecessor education minister, Arjun Singh, will only increase the relative incompetence of madrassa students. While it will allow him to compete for a job or a university seat, he will lose hands down to his competitor with a secular education.

Unless followed up with uniform curriculum and substantive reforms, real benefits will continue to elude madrassa students. However, the clerics have been effectively scuppering all efforts to modernise madrassas.

Muslim religious leaders, who command powerful voting blocs, have had an uneasy relationship with the human resource development (education) minister Kapil Sibal.

Sibal’s stand that the Delhi-based Jamia Millia Islamia — an institution of immense emotional pride among Muslims — may not be given the minority status has driven a wedge between him and Muslims. His efforts to mainstream madrassa education have only helped sharpen that divide.

The truth is somewhere in between. Both Sibal and Muslims are “fighting phantoms”. Sibal’s stand on Jamia mirrors a general fear that if Jamia is allowed to be a minority institution, it will slip into the hands of fundamentalists. By that yardstick, Sibal should have long been a fundamentalist because he is himself a product of a prestigious minority institution — St. Stephen’s College, Delhi.

Muslim religious leaders, on the other hand, are unnecessarily clobbering him for doing what is his duty – lighting up India’s dark corners with education.

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  • S Singh

    Sibal is the best education minister we had in the last thirty years; the right one for today’s times. Mrs Hilary Clinton gave him a heap of praise when she visited Indian industrialists in Mumbai in her first visit as State Secretary. (Not that her admiration is the yardstick; but let us give credit to Sibal for his egfforts and results).

    Muslim Clericss,as always, are fighting this reform. It is time ordinary Muslims just ignore this clerics who do not have any interest in the upliftment of Muslims; they want them ignorant so they can continue to be the vote gatherers.
    Shame on these stupid clerics, Mullahs, whoa re interested only in breeding terrorism

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    shan Reply:

    @S Singh , as much some mullahs are breeding terrorism , some bramhins are actually engaged in terrorism , such as col purohit and sadhvi sitambara. not mention all those trident wielding sadhus(in reality asadhus) engaged in babri mosque demolition.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Stupid Shan…

    We are talking about the clerics fighting the educational reform. As far as I know, thgere is nothing like madrasas , and that too controlled by Barhmins, like the madrasa system worldwide.

    Noew you are speaking from four sides of your mouth.

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    shan Reply:

    dick head singh, read carefully, only 4% muslim students in india go to madrassah, also these RSS schools may not be breeding terrorist now , but given their ideology has the know how and werewithals to produce lots of col purohit and sadhvi sitambara.

    S Singh Reply:

    Stupid Shan..

    purohit and his elkes do not go all over the world bombing.. It was the son of a Muslim doctor couple (from Banaglore) who blew up the airport in your country UK.

    And dickhead, why would you drag Brahmins into a discussion about Madrasas — are they responsible for the stupid courses they teach there?

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    shan Reply:

    @S Singh, what a wanker, so you are saying that the ilks of col purohit kills muslims in india, and does not touch any white foreigner and do not carry out a samjhauta express abroad , so it is okay .

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Sorry for butting in..but are you a muslim or related to some muslims?
    I apologise in advance if this question offends you.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, I leave it to you to make your mind up., here are some comments directed at me.
    Aslam Shah Reply:

    June 26th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Mr. Shan it seems you are for some reasons saying to be against all religions when time and again you have repeatedly tried to defend hinduism.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I stand corrected.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan
    what a laugh. Who told you Sadhvi Rithambara is a brahmin?

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, Holy maccaroni, It was sahvi all right , but I meant Pragya singh Thakur.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan,
    LOL.
    Pragya Singh Thakur is a Thakur (not a Brahmin). It does not make her alleged crime any less heinous, of course.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, she is a brahmin ,if banerjee, chatterjee and mukherjee and chakrabortis are. Her brother-in -law is a jha, which is a banerjee of bihar.

    KD Reply:

    Singhsaab, you give too much credit to Sibal.

    Hillary praised him because the education bill has laid the foundation for US universities to flood India with their educational ‘packages’.

    This is commodification of vidya so wholesale distributors can sell it across the country and get paid by the government, now that education is a ‘fundamental right’.

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    S Singh Reply:

    KD

    Thanks. I was not giving much credit for Hillary’s statement. .

    Sibal has taken many issues heads on, generally for a positive change.

    Also, education is “fundamental right” is applicable only to k-10. Foreign Universities will be operating at college level and not at school level. you are right that more high school strudents mean more university seats.

    Populace should be educated. I personally do not have an issue with foreign universities coming in, or more private “indian” universities (What is wrong if we have 1000s of St Stephens? or even Jamia Millia). I agree with you, we cannot have commoditization, no sham operators, good quality control ( administered and reviewed by a board consisting of eminent educationists, historians, scientists, high end college administrators etc)

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    shan Reply:

    @Ssingh, another classical rotting grain scenarion. We dont need enormous number of university for the CREAMY URBAN LAYER, but compulsory UNIVERSAL education till junior secondary. This is what economists will tell you , difficult to get through to sibal and co whose background is law.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan,
    the sheer scale of India requires everything.. including good universities.. we have very few of truly world class universities.
    It is not a matter of either/ or..
    Sibal is at least doing something; I may not agree with everything he is doing but, in this country even getting a doer rather than a talker is a huge bonus. All doers will attract criticism; mostly unfair.
    As an aside, economists say many things; but they are most accurate AFTER the event.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, you need to put things in perspective. 42 percent of indians live below poverty line. And world class university will not solve population explosion , universal education will. so if one were to allocate the limited resources(India is a poor country by any yardstick)
    I will divert fair bit to comulsory universal education. Now if kapil sibal happens to stumble upon this blog this is my advice to him. For next ten years education should be taken out of state matter into the hands of centre. Next it is nepoleonic in scope to create the infrastructure. in order to circumvent the problem of teacher absentism , and poor quality teaching , LETS HAVE VIRTUAL TEACHERS. This is where a teacher (good looking good voice) is teaching in front of a class with extensive use of virtual reality , cine footage and other virtual media tools. THIS IS SHOT LIKE A MOVIE. And this is transmitted through a tv bandwith , to be accessed by satellite receiver. I guess you will need twenty to thirty channels, each for each subject and particular class .Children just need to sit in front of a large tv. There will be HELPERS known as LIFE COACHES who will inspire and act as friend not like the SEX STARVED TEACHERS WE SEE BEATING CHILDREN IN INDIA. another problem is the books for children. In third world india buying book is mandatory. In uk , hundreed times richer than india , school supplies the book , BUT THIS BOOK IS PASSED ON TO NEXT YEAR STUDENTS , SO IT IS JUST A LOAN.You can buy some study aids on your own.

  • shan

    @Zia, Very very well thought out and researched article. Few observation , In west bengal I am told there is not difference between madrassah curriculum and state secondary curriculum. Also you can have schools run and managed by religious bodies, no problem there but why as a corollary you need a religious cuuriculum. Ramkrishna Mission (Founded by Vivekananda) runs quite a few outstanding schools. The curriculum is either cbse or WBSEB , and the certificatesare also according to the exam they appear. Now these school have a hundreed percent HINDU ETHOS , dont think a great deal of noise is heard from the bigots, certainly these are not secular schools, but the nonetheless some of them are outstanding schools . This may well be a model for the madrassah schools. The bottom line is YOU NEED TO KNOW ENGLISH, you need to follow science , because if you fall ill neither Quoran or Vedas will be of any use. Also your observation about muslims being mainly self employed is something to be proud of LIKE THE MARWARIS , the greatest people on earth, all they know in life is to make money , and as they say MONEY MATTERS.

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    rizwan Reply:

    In west bengal they have something called madrassa board, which allows a student of madrassa to write their Higher secondary exam. I think the madrassa curiculum should be reformed, look the madrassa are teaching good subjects like logic but it should be coupled with maths, science and english. These skills are necessary for higher education.

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  • Shoeb K

    Zia

    Singapore, under LeeQuan, modernized all madrasas making them more into “high school” and less into “madrasa”. He had opposition from certain clerics; however in his “singaporean” fashion, he went ahead. These madrasas now produce science and enginnering students who acn compete with any other schools in Singapore.

    Sibil should move ahead with all the forces of government. Leaving them in the present state is not good for anybody; changing it has only one group againt – clerics. So what, let them be annoyed. Government, through its various actions in the past, has given a “steady constituency” to these clerics. Time to decouple and worry about the nation; not the feelings of clerics. .

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Shoeb

    Leekwan had the interest of Singapore and all Singaporeans in his mind; he always aimed at making Singapore better, richer, calmer. He did not care a hoot about clerics (for that matter anybody!)

    our politicians are focused on vote banks . They please Mullahs so Mullahs deliver votes. Mullahs do not want Muslims to progress because of their fear that once educated, they will no more be under mullahs spell.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Zia always make a bad thing look good by tearing down the good thing. His last blog was about the current and anticipated holocause against Muslims in India by Saffronists. And now he is bringing down St Stephens to the same level as Jamia MIlla, or bringing Jamia Milla upto St Stephens.

    He could have talked about the Madrasa problems without bringing St Stephens into the equation. St Stephens does not have a dog in this fight of Mullahs for self preservation.

    Visit both campuses. All can figure out where Sibal’s concern is coming from. Just visit and observe the students..

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    shan Reply:

    @Gopi thomas, for once keep your prejudice aside. Zia has not equated zamia milia with St Stephens, all he has said as barkha dutt and all the creamy layer in newdelhi social circuit start blushing at the mention of the name St Stephens, same thing happens with muslims with jamia milia. He also points out that St Stephens is founded, and controlled and run by a tiny minorioty called christians. So just on the basis on of not belonging to mainstream secular education if cannot disqualify St Stephens, same yard stick should applied to jamia milia.Also the vice chancellor Prof Moshirul Hasan, is a die hard secularist. Now that india allows this freedom we should be proud of it , it is the only thing we have JOHN JANI JANARDAN, and I can vouch for it after having studied quite a few G8 country. The islamic fundamentalism , the obscurantism has no future, I rememeber a syrian scholar interviewed by Boris Johnson . The scholar(clean shaven) said all that you are seeing is a manifestation of impotency and inferioirity complex and the last gasp before it gives way to triumph of liberal democracy and rationality and science.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @Gopi,

    “And now he is bringing down St Stephens to the same level as Jamia MIlla, or bringing Jamia Milla upto St Stephens.”

    I have visited both St. Stephan’s and Jamia Millia on multiple occasions and they are much much similar… Infact… during the last last four years Jamia has completely transformed itself for the better in terms of academic support for students and infrastructure.

    Its doing well for itself its many students (including hundreds of non muslims) as a central university just like St.Stephens. I think you judged this one solely because of the way its name sounds.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Ahmer

    Thanks. My visit was six years ago; while campus was modern, students all seemed to be one ‘monolithic’ group, conservatively clad (i am using pc language), speaking neither English nor Hindi . I had a visit at St Stephens for a speech in the same trip.

    I hope your assessment is right and they are moving ahead right way

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    sam Reply:

    Ibn Warraq: “It’s no good pretending that somehow the real Islam is tolerant, the real Islam is feminist, and so on”
    Here, from a lengthy and fascinating discussion featuring Paul Berman, Judith Miller, Fred Siegel, Lee Smith, Ibn Warraq, is my friend Ibn Warraq’s take on a question that has been much discussed here and elsewhere, and is often obscured and confused: the distinction between Islam and “Islamism,” and that between the teachings of Islam and Muslims as individuals. “Modernity and the Muslims: A transcript of a discussion at St. Francis College,” at City Journal, July 15 (thanks to John):

    QUESTIONER: You talk about the difference between Islam and Islamism. Mr. Smith, you said that you don’t want to deal with it. We have the Islamic Conference, which Ibn Warraq mentioned, and 56 nations are promoting the so-called Cairo Declaration of 1992, which is basically an Islamic replacement for the United Nations’ 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So is the Islamic version of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Islam or Islamism? What’s the difference?
    IBN WARRAQ: I often think that this is a way of skirting the question. I prefer to bring in the nuances of history. I like to make a distinction that I actually owe to Bernard Lewis; oddly enough, Lewis, to my knowledge, has never made use of it. It’s a very useful distinction that he made between Islam One, Two, and Three. Islam One is what’s in the Koran, what the Prophet Mohammed did and enjoyed. Islam Two is the sharia and the theological construct that we call Islam, as developed by the theologians over the centuries. Islam Three is Islamic civilization, which is what Muslims actually did do as opposed to what they should have done, what actually happened in Islamic history. Often Islam Three–that is, Islamic civilization–was far more tolerant than what Islam One and Two demanded. For example, until very recently, Islamic society (Islam Three) was far more tolerant about homosexuality than the West was, whereas Islam One and Islam Two more firmly condemned it. There are several ambiguous passages in the Koran, but certainly Islam Two, the sharia, condemns homosexuality.

    Islamic history has never been a relentless series of theocratic governments; it has varied from century to century, ruler to ruler. Sometimes it has been very intolerant, and sometimes it has been very tolerant. Just look at some of the poets who were given free rein–for example, al-Mahawi, an Iraqi who was certainly an agnostic and very probably an atheist, but he was very critical. He was left alone; no one bothered him, so this is witness to the period of tolerance. This is, for me, the best way to approach the situation. For example, some of the terrorists are taking literally what is in the Koran. There are all sorts of intolerant passages in the Koran about killing infidels and not taking Jews and Christians as friends. It’s undeniably there, and you can’t get away from it. Chapter four in the Koran: you can’t get away from the fact that it gives men the power to beat women. It’s no good pretending that somehow the real Islam is tolerant, the real Islam is feminist, and so on. There is a great deal of confusion because people do not want to tarnish with the same brush a billion believers. We don’t want to be too crude in our defamation. We don’t want to call all Muslims terrorists, so the best way is this distinction between Islam One, Two, Three.

    shan Reply:

    @Sam, lengthy though the article is, it is what everybody knows, but pretends otherwise, a bit like the recenr Wikileak about ISI and its nefarious activity.

    Sam Reply:

    Can you show us any online links for ALL the textbooks and other class materials ?

    Do they have Jihad, as part of coursework ?

    What do they teach about Khilafa ?

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @Sam,

    You are hopeless… do this nonsense yourself if you’d like

    @Gopi,

    My experience has been very different… not conservatively dressed (but yes I did see a few heads covered) and conversing mostly in Hindustani (Hindi+Urdu) and English…

    And besides… what would they be speaking if not Hindi and English? Chaste Urdu? Highly unlikely given the mixed demographic and of even if so… then whats the problem?

  • Vinay

    It is admirable that Deoband opened a school (or Madrassa, whatever we say) with free meals,
    accommodation, teaching transmitted science, rational science and other philosophy stuff; was
    opened as early as in 1867. We don’t find such counterparts in Hinduism, schools providing food
    and shelter to the needy 150 years ago. (All the old educational institutions we have toady are church led, started by British). But as always, it is the syllabus which refuses to reform with
    age causes the problem.

    Zia says, Sibal is a product of a prestigious minority institution — St. Stephen’s College. That is the point I want to make. In most of the church based institutions, there are lot more Hindus than Christians studying there. Why a Hindu doesn’t mind to go to a Church institution and but not Islamic? … SYLLABUS, TEXTS need to be brought to current age, should not be struck in history.

    If Deoband school was kept updating syllabus since the time it started, then its strength would
    not have been 4% of muslims and JUST Muslims. It could have had majority of muslim students
    studying there and it could have had Hindu and Muslim students both studying there. Most of us
    Hindus, we don’t bother whether we pray Jesus at school or Allah, as long as we are learning life
    skills. We know, how to keep our religion at home.

    I am personally against enforcing religious things at school at very young age. I have spent my
    childhood half in Christian and other half in Hindu school. Most boring thing in both being same.
    The beginning fifteen minutes of prayer, be it is Jesus or saying “Sahana Bhavathu” with nobody
    knowing its meaning. Growing up and learning to understand our religion is different from an
    enforced prayer. But if exists, it doesn’t matter whether it is Ishwar, Allah or Jesus. All are
    equal(ly boring) for children.

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    DUDE Reply:

    Islam is fake ! infact all of the 3 abrahmic religions are fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IF you categorise buddism, hinduism in same column as the abrahamic religions then my friend you know nothing about them! Unlike the fake ones these 2 are a way of life, how to sync you body with the earth……being one with the univesrse……………

    learn facts!

    dont believe anything that come from jerusalem! all those abrhamic religions are fake! regardless if you went to fake christian school! DONT TAKE THAT SHIT IN! LEARN WHAT YOUR MUM TOLD YOU! WHAT YOU LAND TOLD YOU FROM PAST AND BEFORE TIME!

    WAKE UP MUSLIMS! CONVERT BACK TO YOUR ANCESTRAL RELIGIONS!

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  • L Mirza

    “Dar ul uloom, Deoband has been the wellspring of Madrasas thru South Asia” – Does Zia mean this as congratulatory?

    We should say we are fortunate (for the time being) that no extremist jehadi attacks have been attributed to Deoband school of India.. However, that is not the case with Deobandi schools in other parts of South Asia; Pakistan and Indonesia in particular, and springled throughout in other South Asian Muslim countries , including Bengla Desh. Maudid moulded the Deobandi School in Pakistan extremely fundamentalist, when he chose to join Pakistan after partition. Mehsud and Hafeez etc are products of Deoband i school in Pakistan; so also innumerable number of the foot soldiers in the various Pakistani jehadi movement.

    Dar ul uloom, Deoband, India should be congratulated when one compares it to its Deobandi offshoots in other countries. I will give credit to the Indian plurality and inclusiveness for restarining them; rather than to Dar ul Uloom . Let us hope it continues that way, and not follow their brotherly schools in Pakisatn and Indonesia.

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  • DUDE

    YO zaq haq…………….

    you wanna learn islam go to parkistan or even better go to arabia, where all arabs HATE Indian sub continent muslims!

    why torture yourself?

    become free, rejoice in re-converting back to your ancestral religion!

    become your ancestors! aka proud people, throw their chains away make them free!

    revolt against this invasion that casted a shadow over India AND the far east of other Indian related factions like indonesia…………

    Bhima and ashoka come back

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  • Ashish

    @Ahmer
    What would be the benefit to Jamia Milia of being accorded a minority institution status? More pertinently, how would it improve the access to education of Muslims in India?
    We are probably putting the cart before the horse. It might be more beneficial to have more schools with universal curriculum deep inside Muslim majority localities and even have all-girls school for enticing the conservative families to send their daughters to.
    Do this today and 20 years later, we will not need special universities or quotas for Muslims to get higher education.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @Ashish,

    “What would be the benefit to Jamia Milia of being accorded a minority institution status? ”

    I’m sorry if I gave you the wrong impression but I’m DEAD SET AGAINST Jamia getting a minority status. It’ll go down the drain! Will lead to more ghettoisation… and one day when it’ll be in tatters then the community will start complaining about how they don’t have access ‘good’ higher education institutions!

    My only point was to say that Jamia is not that bad a university as people make it out to be. Infact… in Delhi it enjoys quite a good reputation.

    And I agree completely your suggestion of education within the Muslim community… Sadly… the ‘people in charge’ are allergic to common sense.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Ahmer,
    :-)
    We are totally in synch then. Including the fact that Jamia is not as bad a university as people make it out to be.
    Cheers

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  • DUDE

    I know many muslims that eat pork and drink alcohol………….it is natural these guys dont care about islam and is backward made up book!

    most turks drink!

    islam was made up ………….. now please all brown muslims wake up and embrace your ancestral past! arabians hate all muslims from the indian sub continent! so why do you follow something that was forced upon your ancestors?

    your ancestors never had a choice …. by the muslim invaders who only cared about raping women to convert them and to spread their filth by the sword! NEVER EVER IN PEACE!

    convert back to your ancestral religions even if you dont practice it! you will become free of 1500 years of hate campaign aganist non muslims! real people! and not jumped up beardos who only care about mohammeds fake ideas!

    peace to real people

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  • Jai Vaidya

    What difference does it make whether Jamia gets minority status or why Stephens has minority status.Both still have to operate under the mother of all madrasa,the Marxist madrasa.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Jai Vaidya,
    I think I understand what you are saying; but, I think the influence of the Marxists in shaping the thoughts of our future generation is diminishing.
    The higher academia in almost all central universities and those shaping curricula will continue to have a strong Marxist presence for at least one more generation; but, today’s students will increasingly look to other sources like the internet to validate what they learn.
    College is to impart the analytical tools and rigour to the students. Ideology is sometimes “sticky” but mostly not.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, there is nothing called marxist science or medicine so those will be spared,also all the It world is pretty immune from marxist virus though may not be RSS virus.

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    Ashish Reply:

    right! As always, you know best.

    S Singh Reply:

    Stupid Shan

    So, RSs virus is sos strong that it spread all over the world?? I am so proud of my parivaris’ organizational skills.. They have then surpassed Al Queda in its organizational reach, sleeper cells, and terrorism! Thanks Shan for your illuminating thoughts…

    By the way your PM was here begging…

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, generous as usual.

    shan Reply:

    @S Singh, By the way your PM was here begging.
    I hold an Indian passport despite having the oppurtunity to avail british passport as i have permanent stay order.You probably would have sold your mother to get a british passport. So it is not my PM. Now the begging business. It is not surprising a plonker like you will fail to notice the real reason for cameron’s visit, HE HAD JUST FINALISED A SEVEN HUNDREED MILLION POUND,( YES POUND NOT RUPEE ) DEAL TO SUPPLY FIFTY SIX HAWK TRAINER AIRCRAFT.Apparently britain’s trade with sweden is more than that with India. Now as much there is reason for being massively proud about RECENT indian acheivements, before you get too carried away let me put things in perspective. Per acre yield of wheat in Uk is 8.2 tonnes per hectare, same for india is 2.8. India’s agriculture is in stone age. Twenty five thousand students come to uk from india each year to study. The average UK anual income is 24700 pounds, average indian income is 43749 RUPEES.
    Uk has produced 56 noble laureautes highest per poulation in the world. The CT scanner and MRI scanner is british invention , so is jump jet , which is a jet that can take off like a helicopter.India has produced four home grown nobel prize winners of which three, there nobel winning work took place in calcutta. As we used to say when coming across guy like you “singh, ming choley na” . Only ashish and bobby will understand what I mean.

    S Singh Reply:

    Stupid shan

    It is no wonder Britishes landed in kolkotta and took over Bengal first – with loyal boys like you, what else can one expect? You guys accepted them on your own; and now on your own, you have decided to be in the land of 14% unemployment; for all the achievements you mentioned, a crumbling society. You be a happy britisher ! By the way have some Pakistanis a s your neighbor. .

    shan Reply:

    @Ssingh, the dimwit, british landed at madras and seized arcot and and madras , before moving inwards towards bengal. The sea route from england dictates that inevitability, same with vasco de gama, no use talking to uncircumcised “aitf and wizeadviser” of india.

    shan Reply:

    @Gopi Thomas, I wouldn’t count yours chicken yet. However what has happened is quite incredible. The fact that Hasina swept back to power is quite baffling. Now though I dont hail from bangladesh , but I have made stopover couple of times en route to uk. Also I come across quite a few bangladeshi in uk and i can penetrate their mind. Lets give the bloggers some background. Bangladesh as you know was part of bengal suba and was famous for its muslin. and jute. The hindus used to own MOST of the land , all the WEAVERS were hindu with surname basak. Many of the great and good of bengal renaissance can trace their family to bangladesh, like amartya sen, satyajit ray , jibananda das, aparna sen, j.c bose(co inventor of radio) etc. In fact according to nirad choudhuri, the peasants of bangladesh may have originally come from thailand and thus ethnically different, they were the tribals who did not subscribe to any major religion till the proselytization of islam converted them to muslims. the upper class muslims were probably couries, hangers on of th muslim nabab.To the west bengalees , bangladeshi pre 1947(hindus and muslims) were called bangal meaning culturally inferior speaks with a specific accent..

    Now islam is islam , so despite 1971, are anual coup de ta , and military dictatorship , and brutal murder of entire mujib family including including ten yrs son. There are layers of bangladeshi. I have no idea of the percentage. At one end , the illiterate and partly literate , totally under control of mullahs. Some middle class AFTER HAVING DIPPED INTO THE BENGALI LITERATURE(WHICH IS 90% HINDU AND 100% HUMANISTIC AND SECULAR/LIBERAL) had been able to identify more as bengali than muslim. This is mainly the intelligentia. The bangladeshi in uk are mirror image to the pakistani ones , totally cocconed by islam.
    Now this is an excerpt from tasleema nasreen , which may throw some light on the disillusionment with islam
    In Mymensing, from March until November ‘71, the head Imam of the big Mosque has dumped many into the well after slaughtering them in his own hand . It was in December again when the city people brought out countless corps from the well in order to find their nearest ones. My relatives went out to search for those who left for the war, or vanished without for good. Pakistani soldiers looted our properties, burnt our house before they left, took my father away and bashed him with boots and bayonets, shot two of my uncles and left their dead bodies on the road, plucked my brother’s right eye out. In December two out of my three uncles, left for the liberation war, have returned. Sixteen days later, from the Pakistani camp, returned home my 21 year old aunt . Some of the neighbors, who fought for liberation and returned home, have lost their hands, some their legs. Still December is the month when the relatives of the cripple war victims became overwhelmed with joy for their homecoming.

    But nobody expected my poor aunt returns home. They all would have been relieved if she did not. Ever since, I always proudly referred to my father, brother and uncles. I was proud of our losses. But I never mention my aunt. Today stepping out of all damn inhibitions, I am proudly saying that: in the darkroom of the military camp ten brutish lechers (Pakistani soldiers) have incessantly raped my aunt for 16 days.

    Our society did not pride on my aunt. In newspapers and magazines, in conferences, meetings and seminars the big shots went loud about raped women. Their pompous title “War heroines” for the victim women of war is nothing but a farce in the name of liberalism.

    Although everybody accepted the ravage, the torture by boots and bayonets, even dreadful deaths unleashed by the war-they did not accept the hapless accident: rape.

    In December, when the political leaders were shouting outside for the honor of the raped mothers and sisters, then in December, the month of our victory, as the last resort to keep her honor: my aunt hanged herself on the wooden beam of their house.

    Taslima Nasreen: Nirbachita Columns (p25-26)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Both Bengalis and Tamil have clerkness in their blood courtesy British rule..

    I love tamil calling everybody ‘SAAR SAAR’ and Bengalis sticking to british street name and the claiming cultural superiority over others.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, take tamils out, india is in stone age of science, take bengalis out, india is cutural chernobyl.North or west rss/cow worship would have made india another middle east minus oil.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I guess I have hurt your regional pride. So much for the nationalism :)

    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev ,( royal bengal tiger, I hope you know about it) cnnot be hurt by go(cow) mata.
    Also I am a humanist , and rationalist , thus will point out the obvious, .

  • Gopi Thomas

    @Ashish

    I read that the student union at the Aliah Muslim University campus in Kolkotta has demanded all Muslim girls and women lecturers wear burqua. One lecturer Serrene Meydani oppposes this; so she has been asked to teach in another campus, or resign.

    Oh, Kolkotta!

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    shan Reply:

    This is stale news , infact i had disseminated it after it came up in bengali ananda bazar payrika. I think it was one of Zia’s earlier blogs coule of month ago. It is no longer oh kolkatta, it is oh kolkutta(kutta=dog), or in other words gone to the dogs with a little help from two idiots prakash karat and sitaram yechuri.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @Gopi

    Thats just really sad! I hope the student union fails in it efforts… and then in their classes so they know what they should really be putting their minds to!

    How the mighty have fallen…. to think AMU was once one of India’s premier educational institutions… not not for just for Muslims! :-s

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    Ahmer Reply:

    *and not just for Muslims…

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    shan Reply:

    Confusion galore, AMU is aligarh muslim university , this is some non descript university.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @Shan,

    You are right! I mis-read!

  • shan

    @Ssingh, the thicko, read carefully I have said IT world , that to in context of india, that to because RSS organises IT mela. Now IT is information technology, software for thickos like you.

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  • syed

    Hmmm, just been thru the blog, shan with his chilli posts makes it interesting & of course Ashish with his insights & Ahmer who seems to be my clone.

    I don’t know how many are aware, Sir Saiyed Ahmad Khan (Founder of AMU) had a fatwa calling for his death from mullas, enraged at his temerity to start education for girls in AMU. HE did not bother, did what he had to do & the rest is history.
    LEarning from history, Kapil Sibal should do what he feels right, this mulla influence is & always has been insignificant amongst muslims. I have time & again I have said that these mullas cannot even win municipal elections.

    Reg. minority institutions, – In Perth there are a couple of co-educational muslim schools – these are required to teach all subjects as per the Australian syllabus upto year 12. Over this they also teach another subject on Islam & Arabic. These schools have practically no drug/delinquency/discipline problems and rank among the top 30% schools as per results.

    Kapil sibal can consider such models and not bother about what the mullas say & if neccessary pass enabling legislation.

    Ashish- is that you on your avatar

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Syed,
    would you believe me if I said it is how streets in Delhi look right now as we hurtle down to a national disaster (also called the CWG 2010)?
    Like my head, covered only in patches :-)

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    syed Reply:

    “Like my head, covered only in patches”

    Not too bad, we are all on the same road…….

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Ahmer@Syed@Ashish

    Read that Bengla Desh has banned Maudidi’s (Pakistan Jama it Islami founder/spiritual leader) books from libraries, schools, mosques, shops ..all over.

    Mrs Begum (it always requires a woman!) wants to take Bengla Desh in a positive, potentially uplifting, trajectory; and she (and her government) believes Maudidi’s writings, followed by purists, will take teh country in the Pakistani route.

    The ex-dictator there, Gen Rehman was in collusion with the Maudidis. Do you think the army will oppose her now that she has banned Maudidi books?

    Are his books banned here? Are his books the manifesto for the extremist Muslim groups (like PFI/NDF who is involved in the professor’s hand chopping and other violent stuff here in Kerala) in India?

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  • Jai Vaidya

    Wow! 35,000crore already spent on Congress Wealth Games, with this money we could hve built a world class public library system for all 584 constituencies.. Each constituency having a library of no lesss than 50,000 books, digitally connected to othere world class libraries, this might “validate what they learn.”
    Jamia and Stephens were not exactly famous for their “science” and “medicine”
    .
    Shan, while in the U.K. please visit T.B. Macaulay’s grave, it’s in the poets’ corner, lay a wreath and observe a minute silence since he and K.M. have influenced you so greatly.

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  • shan

    @Jai Vaidya, I hope you do the same , because he laid the foundation that is why you can spew such banality , in the language of Macaulay. Otherwise your braj vasha or whatever would have kept you in the intellectual cow land.

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  • deb dulal dey

    I am from west bengal and I have never seen such kind of prejudice. People live here in harmony and even hindu students go to Madras and I have a large number of muslim friends who have studied in mainstream education. I really do not like the way people of different religious treating and calling one another in abusive names. Try to respect each other.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/hirankr Hiran Ramakrishnan

    Author is wrong in some aspects. It was not jointly developed with GM. Due to a failed strategy (partnership with GM), a deal was made between FIAT and GM to get access for only 1.3 MJ of FIAT to GM. GM has no access to any other multijet variants like 1.9 or 1.6 or 1.3MJ2. This was considered to be one of the blunders (made by FIAT) ever made in automotive history. According to the agreement, GM still has no rights to make MJD outside Europe and import to Europe which FIAT can do. Author says engines are noisy in TATA cars hasnt exploited the capabilities of engine but true that even maruti coudnt (even though people buys it with a perception that maurti is cheaper in case of maintanance) Maruti is no longer cheaper to maintain (new generation cars). Its the most expensive to maintain out of all MJD cars if not to own.There is reason for it.
    For each engine which maruti plonks, royalty has to be paid to Fiat Powertrains (FPT) and now for the new 100K engines they have to pay to FIAT India. For ECU, its a FIAT company again, Magneti Marelli which was setup in 2006-7 who makes ECU for all MJD and VW in India (this is an information to people who says maruti can tune ECU better ‘Its not true so’. Also Magneti Marelli and Bosch supplies the parts for MJD which again is a benefit to FIAT and Bosch. Hence maruti cannot be cheaper else like their older generation cars, they have to promote duplicate parts in the market which FIAT may not allow.
    I will come back to the point of usage in maruti. Maruti Swift platform is not made to marry with high end engines unlike FIAT. Maruti still uses its own transmission and mineral oil (people say the gear ratios are better) which forces it to service at a 10K interval. Breakes are extremely poor for such a capable engine. The schedule of steel body is again poor for a maruti as higher vibrations of the diesel engine makes it a rattle box after few 1000KMs. Its all purely my observations and no offense to anyone.

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    Rohit Chauhan Reply:

    Agree!
    And also thanx for clarifying my confusion about GM’s partnership with Fiat on the MJD. I always wondered if GM was an equal partner, it would’ve left no stone unturned to use & exploit this engine. That too when Fiat is getting all the applauds everywhere! :)
    I love Fiat! I wish to see the sleeping Giant wake up soon.

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    Dharmesh Reply:

    Are you sure about what you have written here?

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  • genuine person

    you ******* idiot, go and put some hair product on then feel superior. your fake a nd deluded.

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  • रक्स

    इस लेखक ने अपना नाम नहीं दिया कहीं पर। ये बंदा ग़लत कह रहा है। भारत के लोगों में अब इच्छाशक्ति जाग उठी है बदलाव लाने की क्योंकि उनको अब ये पता चल गया है (thanks to Arvind Kejriwal’s Aam Aadmi Party and Baba Ramdev’s active campaigning across the country) कि दोनो भाजपा और काॉग्रेस भ्रष्ट हैं। ये क़तर और भारत की तुलना अापस में क्यों कर रहा है? भला क़तर को आंदोलन की क्या ज़रूरत?

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    harjit singh Reply:

    Media wale sale chor hai

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  • Venkat

    Irrelevant comparison, wasted 5 mins. by reading this…

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  • Samira

    Writer is not clear about what he wants us to say. What kejri has to do with Qatar?

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  • NITYA

    it sounds like the assignments given in school, write an article about “Arvind Kejriwal if he were in Qatar”. THE BEAUTY OF INDIAN SYSTEM AND INDIAN GOVERNANCE.. HE CALLS THE PROTEST AGAINST SONIA AND ROBERT OUTRAGEOUS, GUESS THAT’S ALL WHO MATTERED TO HIM.

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    harjit singh Reply:

    Media ka baap mukesh ambani hai in ki maa sonia

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  • vivek

    क्या लिख रहे हो यार, निरङ्कुशता सिर्फ एक तरफि होता है क्या ? ये बात क्योँ नहि समझते कि अगर केजरीवाल बादशाह होता तो जनता सुखि होते और आप, सोनिया , गडकरी और मोदि जेल मे होते ।

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  • YZ

    A school boy writing an article on a topic given to him by his teacher.

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  • http://twitter.com/harjit100280 harjit singh

    Javid pakistan se comparison karta hai. Media wale qatar se .inko uk. Usa . Canada nhi dekhi nhi deta. In ke jija ji ko arvind ne kata hai. Aab in ke baap ko v kata hai. Media walo ki majboori hai.

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  • http://twitter.com/harjit100280 harjit singh

    Qatar hahaaaa

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  • alhazoor

    It appears that this Qatari writer of this essay was born of ilg wedlock of qartai maa so he is remembering his glorious past iin the haram of sheikh bin tuglak shahi shabur, Goodlubck kanzi khan

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  • sagar

    what a stupid comparison….javed shab telling in aaj tak to arvind kejriwal that if u go to **** for 5 days …and when u will return u will kiss the land of india…what he was trying to say that time…what is happening in india is good or better in comparision to ****…i dont knw what journos what to tell…i want to ask all the journos of india,,,whom they gonna vote in 2014(if they ever vote)… BJP, CONGRESS or AAP or some other party…

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  • appu

    you dumass..Qatar is a monarchy..India is a democracy..What the fish are you comparing..Yet there would be neglegible corruption in Qatar..Long live AK ..Hail o AAP

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  • ajay rawal

    stupidity at its best!one

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  • hello

    Look at the way india handles protest in Kashmir, worse than Qatar!

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  • sahil

    i think HT shud compare itself with US, UK & other countries where media dont work like a government stoog……………..i think i these countris HT would be already suspended

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  • arpit mittal

    HT are you threatening Mr. Kejriwal…..
    it seems like you do, so for your kind information I like to tell you that he is not alone and this is not Qatar, this is India where even a newspaper like yours is allowed to publish the most rubbish articles. This is India where Bhagat Singh was born, who took the most powerful britishers head-on, so think twice before threatening anyone because it is the common men because of whom your business is there you fools…… and this common man is with Mr.Kejriwal, just and watch.
    I have never expected HT to lead a fight against corruption but this threatening is way over the limit, you will face the same fate as the other corrupts when the common man will raise to the power.

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  • AAM AADMI

    Ye to vahi baat ho gyi ki hindustan times ko BBC/NY TIMES se compare karo…hahahahahha…….ARVIND KEJRIWAL KI JAI….AAM AADMI ZINDABAD….INDIAN PAID MEDIA MURDABAD !!!

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  • IIT’ian

    And you Journos (like zee news) would have been BEHIND THE BARS TODING SOOKHI ROTI had INDIA been USA/CANADA/RUSSIA…….thank god you journos are in INDIA !! shame on indian media !! thoo

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  • satyadevkhare

    Is this article meant for praising Kejriwal or criticize Approach of Quatar towards demonstrations? Had Indian leaders been in qatar, they would have been hanged in public for corrupt practices.

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  • satyadevkhare

    Is this article meant for praising Kejriwal or criticize Approach of Quatar towards demonstrations? Had Indian leaders been in qatar, they would have been hanged in public for corrupt practices.

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  • sudhir patil

    As we are free to take on Govt. They also feel free to loot the treasury and rob the common man as such.

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  • rat

    the writer want us readers to understand that the democracy in india is due to the generosity of people in power and that why people like kejriwal is able to speak freely.he should stop writing articles on social issues as his understanding of social structures are unbelievably stupid.plz go and do some other business to make money.

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