Remain cynical or overcome cynicism, choice is ours



Muslims face an urgent choice they must not sit over. They must decide between remaining cynical or overcoming cynicism. It is a critical choice and will determine how we see the world and would be seen by the rest of it.Should history see us as being hysterical or harmonious? Progressive or regressive? People are not noted for what they fail to achieve, but for what they do.

On Sunday, I attended a conference, where one of the speakers was a cleric leader from Bihar, Maulana Wali Rahmani. I have no doubts Rahmani has great knowledge about Islam. I also know that he is a patriot. But left to him, we are doomed.

Rahmani thinks the Right to Education Act will kill madrassas, since it will outlaw children from attending them. He is wrong. He has not read the new Act.

Therefore, aside from the fact that every child must get modern education, Rahmani does not know that there is nothing in the new law that forbids Muslim kids from getting a religious education. In case you thought Rahmani was just another cleric, you should know that he is the general secretary of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) and a former deputy speaker of Bihar Assembly.

I have always said that one of the problems with India’s Muslim political leadership is that it largely overlaps with the religious leadership.

Clerics like Rahmani would do better to stick to their area of expertise. They should be given due respect for the services rendered by them, like teaching us how to say our prayers and how to bury our dead. When they try to sound more knowledgeable then they are, they should be simply ignored, not engaged.

A few weeks ago, I wrote a story, which appeared on the front page, about a perceptible increase in minority employment.

Several Muslims called me up to enquire if this was indeed true. I told them two things: I am not a fiction writer and Muslims need to step back and look at how far they have come.

News reports, especially ones that reveal a statistical trend, must always be backed by hard data. In an infographic alongside my story, we put out numbers to show how much minority employment had gone up by, both in absolute numbers and in percentage terms.

Considering our population and backwardness, even a 15% rise would look very small. True. But employment is a function of education and skill. There will never be anything like mass enrollment. You can’t just troop in like that.

According to the Sachar Committee’s findings in 2006, Muslims held fewer than 5% of government posts and made up only 4% of undergraduates, though they make up 13.4% of all Indians.

The share of minorities, including Muslims, in government employment is rising steadily on the back of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s directive in 2007 to focus on their employment, latest government data reveal.

The directive had come after the Sachar Committee, which probed disadvantages faced by Muslims, the country’s largest minority, found the community lagging abysmally on various socio-economic parameters.

So after much effort, minorities constituted 9.24% of total government recruitment last year and in fact had risen from 6.9% in 2007 to 8.3% in 2008.

We have become so cynical that even a news story, evidenced from hard data, looks too good to be true.

Between 2008 and 2009, the share of minorities on government rolls jumped 24%, the data reviewed by HT show.

In absolute numbers, 15,172 people from various minority groups were hired in 2009, up from 12,195 in 2008 and 12,182 in 2007.

Disaggregated employment data for Muslims is not available, since the PM’s directive was to focus on minority employment on the whole, even though it came in the context of Sachar’s findings.

“Some way or the other, Muslim employment would have gone up since they make up 90% of all minorities,” minority affairs minister Salman Khurshid said.

“This indicates inclusive development, which necessarily cannot happen without minorities,” retired chief justice Rajinder Sachar, who headed the Sachar panel, told me.

Khurshid said the UPA government was now pushing the private sector to improve workplace diversity voluntarily, without instruments like reservation. “The PM is engaging the private sector directly on this,” he said.

With a helping hand we can improve our lot. This has been proven. This is not to suggest that we sit back on our laurels.

There is enormous sluggishness in way government schemes are implemented. This sluggishness affects us more, because we are more backward.

We have to push ahead, complain and raise a stink when things don’t work. In fact, all citizens should. But skepticism hinders success. Don’t let it take root.

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  • KD

    Agree Zia – Good points.

    Part of the reason why the mullah or any other citizen, for that matter doesnt understand the right to education bill is because it hasnt been written so common man can understand it.

    Other than opening up government funds for private institutions to enter the education business, I dont think it does much for the common man any way !

    This bill paves the way for government to ‘outsource’ education in my view. It gives the government a weapon or ‘alibi’ against those who will protest against rising costs of education and the culture of granting ‘easy degrees’ when private institutions enter this business and create enough seats. The level of competition will go down drastically, mediocrity in education will prevail just like that in western education.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @KD,
    good points. But, all of pvt sector initiatives may not be just for making money out of education.

    Read this; nice story on pvt sector participation in education http://bit.ly/coz1na

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    KD Reply:

    Hi,

    Thanks for the link – it sounds too good to be true though. What does Melinda-Gates foundation gain from its altruistic activities ? I doubt if its all just the intention to do go for the people, although I could just be another cynic.

    In general, there is always a solid long-term profit-making business plan that drives short-term investments. May be its the tax breaks or something else, I am not sure.

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    shan Reply:

    @KD you are quite right but you should qualify , so far indian businessmen are concerned you are hundreed percent true. Not so for the protestants, that is what Max Weber reffered to “the calling”. Wareen Buffet donated yesterday two billion , as to his children he said “they had a good head start”.
    Also as I understand USA IS FOUNDED ON THE BASIS OF MERIT , that is why the inheritance tax is so high , it does not automatically pass on to the children , in fact this the fundamental concept of CORPORATION or Inc, that you cannot have a fiefdom the personal liability will be so high , you are compelled to corporatise, this may happen in india but only in theory . IN WEST THERE IS A CULTURE OF CHARITY ROOTED IN PROTESTANT RELIGION , THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN HINDUISM TILL VIVEKANANDA TRIED TO INTRODUCE THESE WESTERN VIRTUES.

    KD Reply:

    I dont know about that – Protestants use charity as a means to promote their religious beliefs.
    Yeah, I know that convents provide excellent education but there was no invocation of saraswati in our class prayers – it was all “O Father we thank thee” type of invocations.

    Hinduism had the gurukool parampara where pretty much the whole education system was free and considered a sacred act. Students were expected to live on ‘bheeksha’ from the society, as a means to overcome their ego and learn to work towards the benefit of society. There are no modern day equivalents of that system, not on any large scale as far as I know.

    May be we are digressing from the topic a little bit. But its an interesting topic anyway.

    shan Reply:

    @KD , you have stirred a hornet’s nest by those invocations. all the memory keeps flooding in . I was madly in love with a girl called shabnam , who was a cross between madhu bala and preity zinta. and she used to be a student of a american missionary school. She told me they had the choice between bible and moral science. Now though she studied in a firingee school , the family was taliban . So I was threatened with murder so much so I left the shores into a self exile still thinking about her. Last I heard about her is that her husband apparently started growing long beard after 9/11 , and suddenly vanished , apparently fighting jihad in Chechnia, hasn’t given her talaq, occasionally they receive letters asking for money.

    KD Reply:

    Cross between Madhu Bala and Preity Zinta ……….I dont blame you for falling ‘madly’ for her – I’d call it ‘falling wisely’ instead. :)

    Jokes apart – I think there may still be light at the end of this tunnel for you if he is fighting in Chechnya. What kind of a moron, by the way, would leave his country and a beautiful wife to join some foreign mercenary organization !

    shan Reply:

    @KD Thanks for the sympathy, whether i was wise or not depends which angle you are looking at , live the life with pain or cherish and savour the failed past.Chechnia would fit in to the transmorgation.

    D Mishra, UK Reply:

    Shan, no culture of charity in Indian culture ?? Not true. The greatest Hindu king- Ashok- set up a network of inns, schools and hospitals all over India. The earliest world Umiversities were in Taxshila and Nalanda and had bursaries for poor and international students.
    In their heyday, there were 10,000 students in Nalanda.

    Sam Reply:

    Zia is the biggest CYNIC..

    calling for the disintegration of the country..

    If there are secularists who can issue a fatwa, they should issue a fatwa for banning his writings in a mainstream media.

    he can take his disintegrate or splitting the country to rabid islamic or pakistani media.
    he will be at home with those views.

    then suddenly the chamelon changes his colours…

    is this real or just acting like koran asks muslims to do Taqiyyah for fooling infidels ??

    anyone want to bet, how long he can act this way, before he will go back to his separatists ways ?

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    Brackish Reply:

    How do you guys manage to dole out such ****** news pieces & articles every day? HT happens to be one of most hopeless newspapers on the face of the country. Why do you guys have 3500 employees? Fire at least 3400 of them immediately. You being the first.

    Sad but true.

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  • shan

    Holy Maccaroni, what am I reading , a torrent of optimism and not an iota of despair and despondency. Can we please have a URDU and KASHMIRI(do they speak posto) translation of this article sent to Mirwaiz omar farookh and gilani, and generally if somebody could read it loud during the friday namaaz at the ?Lal mosque in SRINAGAR. As to to the maulana , his holiness should keep his gob shut and not use unless specially asked for , in fact any more bullshit should be given a beating by the clones of mirza, shoebk, and syed and if I am around will join even if I am not invited , happy to bear the consequences.

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  • KD

    Not related but related. These are the kind of events that give religions a bad name (and bad press) –

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Alleging-blasphemy-fanatics-hack-lecturers-hand/articleshow/6129146.cms

    For Pete’s sake (Joe’s sake in this case !), please stop this kind of brutality in the name of religion.

    The biggest attribute that any religion can instill in its followers is an open mindset. MF Hussain should consider himself lucky that hindu gods were a subject of his fantasy !

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    Raju kurien Reply:

    Yes, and that it happened in kerala, suposedly a place whose people are educated and hindu/muslim.christian exist peacefully and harmoniously … It is alarming indeed. Muslims will make Kerala enxt Kashmir.. watch out

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    Vinay Reply:

    This is really alarming, considering the ethnicity and education levels of Kerala. Only ray of hope could be the women of Kerala. Keralite society has a mother dominated family structure unlike the rest. Also women there are more empowered with education. They need to take control of the situation and crush this Satanic brutality in the name of religion committed by their idiot sons.

    It is again social values versus religious sentiments. Can the society triumph ?

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    S Singh Reply:

    Talibanization has started. All, including Muslims, better fight against this.

    S Singh Reply:

    It seems the professor was suspended from the university and other legal proceedings done against him based on this “blasphemous” quote on the prophet.

    Apparently, the Kerala Muslim Talibans were not happy with the ruling; so they wanted to “show” it to him and others.

    There has been lots of reports from Kerala about Talibanization and terror training in Pakistan. Their leader Madani is wanted in Karnataka for the bomb blasts there — this is the same chap responsible for Coimbatore blasts

    Sam Reply:

    people like Zia will just gloss over.

    the day i see all the “educated” muslims lead a huge rally of people against this, then i will believe those guys are not just “terrorists waiting for an opportunity”

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    NAM Reply:

    @Sam, All educated muslims do condemn and hang our heads in shame whenever such an incident happens.. however people like you and me (the educated bunch) are just to busy with their personal life to organize and have a rally against such gruesome incidents.

    It is similar, as I never see a rally against honor killings, shameful acts by Ramsene activists though ever educated person I meet did vocally condemn all these incidents and oppose it.

    Education makes us productive but numb to the environment around us.

    Sam Reply:

    how there if fatwa after fatwa on so many silly things ?

    is this not an important issue ?

    how come there is no fatwa on this ?

    how come there are no announcements in mosques asking muslims to help catch this criminals ?

    how come zia or arundhati roy or some other pseudo secularists shouting at their top of their lungs ?

    or they only shout if the victim is muslim and perpetrator happens to be hindu.. ??

    how come muslims do not raise a hue and cry ??

    so either you do it or, show that it is just crocodile statements like “islam is peace” empty slogans..

    Sam Reply:

    @Nam
    >It is similar, as I never see a rally against honor killings, shameful acts by Ramsene activists though ever educated person I meet did vocally condemn all these incidents and oppose it.

    how can you compare these events to chopping someones hand for blasphemy ?

    the honor killings are not sanctioned by a religious scholar, nor is it based on a book, nor can it be identified with a religion..

    same thing goes with Ramsene.

    so please do not try to confuse people every petty crime, with religiously sanctioned global monster…

    Vinay Reply:

    @Sam
    The comparison of two heinous acts saying one is slightly better than the other does not satisfy me. If two things are good, let’s say they are nice. Why an argument on which is nicer and spoil the beauty? Similarly if two things are bad, let us not have a yardstick to decide which is worse. Let us condemn both of them. What NAM was trying to say is, how the so called educated, civilized society reacts to aggression. I don’t think we are numb. But in the fight between aggression and civic manners, aggression glaringly wins.

    Sometimes, we find it in some of these blogs as well. When venom starts flowing aggressively from other side of the border, many regular bloggers stop writing and let it pass(/flow). The other side feels, they triumphed. Call it strength or the weakness, civic society(/manners) can only react, cannot attack.

    Sam Reply:

    @vinay,

    if you look at two crimes and think they are same that is a mistake.
    you have to see where the motivation for the crimes is coming from..

    if you equate a drunken guy killing someone with, a planned killing of a guy (say muslim apostasy)…

    then you are mistaken..
    you should differentiate and be able to see the larger social/religious sanction, is it local or global…

    Ziauddin Shafi Reply:

    I caution against jumping to the wrong conclusion without any proof; Many a times, bombers have turned out to be non-muslims while the whole country was looking for a muslim hand. After reporting to the police and getting a court case going against the victim-culprit, it is pointless on the Muslims’ part to resort to such violence. It is a deliberate attempt to politicise the issue and go after the CPI(M) govt, which is playing it fair and square in the administration of the state.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Ziauddin

    I hope you are right for the State’s and country’s sake.

    However, the first few arrests are members of PDF, an orthodox Talibanistic Muslim party. And if it is true, Christians will not take it lying down. Christiians “own” Kerala, and they wioll unleash soft and hard power against Muslims.

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    KD Reply:

    It is good that many islamic organizations have condemned the incident today.

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    Sam Reply:

    zia

    what is the basis for your statements ?

    do you believe in waiting for proof, so then you “discredit” proof

    or is this part of taqiyyah ?

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    KD Reply:

    I think it is important to NOT put all muslims on the defensive due to deeds of some rotten apples.

    Overall though, there has been a significant move from muslims and non-muslims to condemn such incidents recently, including 26/11 attacks. Its a positive sign for us.

    Sam Reply:

    The very same people who ask for patience and proof when muslims are allegedly involved in perpetrating the crimes….

    do not extend the same courtesy when it is vice versa..

    similar statements came out on 26/11 and even tried to portray that it could have been done by hindu extremists.
    if Kasab was not caught alive, they would have continued that denial or asking for proof..

    the next terrorism from Pakistan is going to make sure, no one like Kasab is caught alive.
    then they can blame Hindus with full energy…

    they will even play the innocent victim card, and I am sure they are already planning for that in mosques.

    this is just a practice for another major events.

    M R Goswami Reply:

    Muslims in India should take lesson from Indian Parsis. Parsis in India is never a problem, rather they are frontliner in India’s economic progress and social net work. All Hindus respect them. I have not heard any instance if there has been any problem of majority with Parsis. Congratulations Indian Parsi community. We are proud of you.

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    Sam Reply:

    @goswami
    muslims are not supposed to learn from anyone, except their religious books.

    what you are saying is to learn from the vanquished people in iran/
    can you read the VS Naiapaul’s book “among the believers” book ?

    it deals with conquered people in iran (especially Zoroastrians)..

    you are dreaming..!!

    Sam Reply:

    How about stoning to death for this perpetrator (if the person is muslim only, as Sharia applies to muslims only)…

    just like they do in iran for adultery

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/18-iran-stones-to-death-adulterer-sa-05

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  • ramesh

    Zia,good finally your efforts are where they are needed the most. Islam has been used by mixing it with politics to control the masses.when pakistan was created the islamic experiment was engineered to create anew identity,erasing their Indian origins.But islam was not the uniting factor,but a monster was created which eats its own.Muslims rightly need to think more on their own and depend less on the so called ullema

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  • Ziauddin Shafi

    Encouraging story indeed – our masses must learn to sideline the preachers and trust secular politicians to do the job.

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    KD Reply:

    Actually, the biggest myth is this thinking that there are ’secular’ politicians in India. For me, it works better to categorize them as ‘nationalists’ or ‘non-nationalists’ / ‘pseudo-nationalists’.

    In my view, Indians shouldnt vote for anyone who is likely to act against Indian interests. This will force everyone to think about what exactly is in our national interests , as opposed to thinking about politicians who talk about local interests or religious interests.

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    schadha Reply:

    For once zia you have articulated what we all feel —that any minority be it muslim or any other has to be a part of the mainstream for it to be respected . ClInging to a separatist ideology only will instill in you a ghetto like attitude with all its implications
    The separation of the church and the state –or religion and poitics — was the harbinger of europes march to progress , intellectual . material and social The present muslim leadership in the country is ineffective to lead the muslim masses in a progressive way —perhaps they feel they are in a minority and historically a minority clings to each other and their beleifs more vehemently . It is perhaps easier to pass a progressive legislation — by muslim standards — affecting muslims in pakistan than in india because of this “minorytism mind set”–
    See the difference with the christian minority / , their progressive education system where all denominations students go — why because they seem to be liberal and modern . why cannot muslim minority and its insttutions be on same level ? The answer is simple — an obdurate leadership which has no relevance in todays world . A closed mind , a iliberal attitude . a aversion to debate and dissension , these only increase obduracy — and these are sought to be instilled in young impressionable muslim minds
    Is it any wonder that in kerala some extremists chopped off the palm of the college lecturer who they said had set a ” blasphemous” question ? In koranic law i am told it is not wrong to kill a non muslim — i know a islamic country where the u.s.a. trade representative was attacked and killed and this was the defence put in .When you have madrassas teaching a narrow, religious based , curriculum , with teachers who are die hard maulivis you can well imagine the product
    In todays world the question is does the muslim leadership have the courage to change itself and its flock for change has to be from within only— you can have reservations , quotas , fundings etc — this is like taking the horse to water but you cannot make it drink

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  • Raju Kurien

    Zia says MAulana Rahmani is a patriot … if so, why is he saying and doing this?

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  • L Mirza

    Hope Zia starts giving some positive news, and more importantly use his pulpit to make trhings better and to improve the lives of the “disadvantaged” .

    It is high time Muslims negate the so called “spokesmen” for them, be it ulema, or AIIPM or alll the numerous Muslim parties, or political leaders like Oiswal. Does AK Antony speak for thhe Christians of india? Foes the Hon’ble PM Manmohan Singh speak fro the Sikhs of India? IS there a priests’ assoiciation speaking for the Hindus of India?

    Indian Muslims have a God-given chance (compared to Muslims in all otehr countries, may be except Turkey) t for right o equality and liberty because of the constituition, and they have squandered that all these years based on false leaders of the community, be it religious or religious oriented politicos.

    Jamait Islami Hind, as recently as last week stated that Al Maududi’s vision is still important for Indian Muslism – whatw as his vision; ina nutshell what you see being played out in Pakistan is his vision. They dont even call their leaders leader; it is Ameer — they nahve a state Amir, district Amir–

    My advice to my fellow Muslims is although difficult it may be, keep the religion at home. Nothing has happened Christians in doing so. No harm has happened to Hindus because .they are jkauffirs. Use Quran and Sunnah as a guide for personal peace; in your personal lives. It cannot be and should not eb what Maudid said — dont believe MAududi, listen to the great pghilospher of 13th century Ibn-al-Nafis, and bring the golden age back.

    A Muslim mother should have a razor sharp focus on her childrens education. She should not care what her maulavi or Ulemma instructs. If she has any doubt, “compare notes ” with her Hindu or Sikh or Christian friend — is any of them listening to any of their religious leaders (if there is one) when it comes to their children;s education? And if this mother does not have e a friend from other faith, make one.. One of the goals of the so called Muslim leaders and Ulemma should be to have a fatwah that all M uslims should have a non-Muslim as a good friend. Try this instead of constant harping of exclusionary notions and separation. The educational and economic status of Muslism will only improve.

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    God bless you. If we have more people like you in all the religions we will have
    less problems. Keep up the good work.

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    Vinay Reply:

    I second your opinion.

    Mubeena Shah (mother of Dr.Shah Faesal from Kashmir, who topped the IAS examination) and Dr Zakia Khan (mother of Kafeel Ahmed, suicide bomber in the UK airport) both have faced personal tragedies standing on the opposite ends of the terror. Both have tried to educate their children.
    First one is the example of parent’s aspirations winning over imam’s inspirations. Second one is the case of madrassa taking over mother.

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    shan Reply:

    @vinay, very apt, very true, but given the current happenings in valley looks like imam’s inspiration winning the day.

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    Sam Reply:

    @vinay, very apt, very true, but given the current happenings in valley looks like imam’s inspiration winning the day.

    It is not just in valley..
    It is a global phenomenon of islamic imam inspired violence..

    my guess is, this is the last major war of islam on infidel’s before it is going to collapse and disappear …

    Vinay Reply:

    The growth in terrorism in world today reminds me of a Hindu mythological demon Raktha-beejasur. Whenever a drop of his blood fell on Earth, it produced a new demon. Ironically he was not killed by male Gods, instead by an empowered woman (Maa Durga).

    S Singh Reply:

    So, the whole issue is how do we make sure Imam’s voice does not get an upper hand or get drowned in mothers’ voice..

    Will our politicians have guts to corral madrasas or shut down or throroughly revise the madrasa syllbus.

    Can they institute a strict merit based employment and prestigious college admissions progarm – while creating government funded elementary, high school, and preparatory program for Muslims and otehr minorities to develop/prepare them for prestigious colleges , jobs,a nd higher nd vocational education in general.. Give this training, but do not give any preferential treatment after this.

    Take out the personal law board. Bring every body under single law. That is a price to pay to live in this country.

    What is preventing us from being like Singapore? How have they controlled the Mulllahs and madrasas there.

    And put forward looking, intelligent Muslims like Syed and Mirza (And Kurshid and Omar ) in charge of progarms, without caring for Oiswals and maulavis. USe police to control the reactionaries. They will keepa low profile once they know there is a new “sheriff” in town.

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    KD Reply:

    Very good, Mirza. There is something for all religions to learn from your write up.

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  • Sam

    They call me Muslim===

    that is wrong name

    They should call you as a separatist

    or a person who “called for disintegration”..

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  • Gopi Thomas

    @Shafi @Nam @Singh@ kurien@KD @Vinay

    Regarding Muslim extremists cutting off the (Christian) professor’s hand….

    SKS had a question few weeks/blogs ago about the fight between jamait islami and the state’s Marxist government, and I indicated to him about the mushrooming of extremist Muslim parties all over the state, all of them with “democratic” adj in their names – Peoples Democratic Front , peoples Democratic Party, Socialist Democratic Party of india . All these are carryover from SIMI/NDF. Until recently, they were killing each other (to answer the age old question of “who is pure”), and now they have entered the “mainstream”.

    What happened in Muvatupuzha is nothing but a “mini’ Taliban attack, intended to frighten the people. That it will happen in kerala was just a question of time. Successive political parties (leftists and Congress) have looked the other side at the growing terrorism/extremism by Muslims in the state (in the spirit of full disclosure – there is no BJP/Sangh Parivar to speak of in Kerala; they do not have any assembly seat, they do not control any Municipalities, and not even panchayaths (I am not sure about Panchayaths); so the usual secularist argument that extremism is in response to the majority militancy and power just does not fly! Muslim League party controls several municiplaities and panchayaths, have several mebers in the assembly, and is a part of UPA/UDF; I should say Muslim League party has not participated in any violent activities, and has been a decent participant in the state politics. All these offshoots are against Muslim League party also, because they are going “secular” and not wahabist/Salafi enough! )

    Marxists, much more than congress, were the appeasement masters. They created the first “Muslim district “in India, Malappuram. Marxists were in cohorts with PDP, whose leader Madani is now under arrest for the Bangalore explosiuons. However, even they could not digest some of the statements jama it islami hind leaders articulated recently – as to al maududi’s vision of an Islamic country, as to why a muslim should not believe in state and its instituitions etc. And jamait is going to contest the upcoming panchayath elections!

    Several young Muslim men were arrested during the last three months for getting terrorist training from Pakistan, prominent among them T nazir, the “head” of LeT for South India.

    Kerala’s Muslims are richer than Hindus; they have a higher educational attainment compared to Muslims in other parts of India; Kerala Muslims do not live in segregated ghettos, kerala has a rich tardition of different religions coexisting harmoniously for 1500 years.

    So, in kerala also, Imam’s inspiration is winning the day..

    Now that the genie is out of the bottle, through sixty yeras of Marxist appeasement and looking at the other side in the state, it is going to be very difficult to control thee xtremism, until it runs its course of violence and counter violence.

    And this time it is going to be worse. The victim this time is a christian; and in some quarters, they have started talking about ‘existential threat” (what else!).

    kerala can become the next kashmir. Devils own country!

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    Sam Reply:

    if it was a hindu victim, the world wouldnt have cared.

    as sad as this event is, now atleast the whole world would wake up to this islamo fascist monster masquerading as a religion of peace..

    watch how even australia is waking up to these fascists who call for overthrowing democracy and secularism.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZChhgVAyvs&feature=player_embedded

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    Leo Reply:

    Gopi – your assessment is spot on

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    Bala Reply:

    The unity among three major religions Hindu,Muslim & christian in Kerala was examplary. Onam the harvest festival was always celebrated by every one. But the turning point appears to be influence of large number of Muslims returning from Saudi Arabia where Wahabism the strictest form of Islam is practiced. It is also the level of education among the youth in Muslim society. The intolarance has gradually seeped in and enveloped. It is time the Muslim youth should look for education for emancipation from poverty. Madani of PDP kind of people must remain behind bars. The state police must act tough with Talibanism.

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  • shan

    @bolgreaders et al, Guys I think i am to relate an incidence that will throw light on the muslim psysche. I was discussing with two trainee doctors about the circumcision , and told them how the pendulum has swung away from carrying out circumcision at the drop of a hat. This is because it is thought the foreskin has nerves that will come to good use for men folks in one particular act. Of course circumision is mandatory where there is clinical indication. One of the trainee doctors went ballistic, later I realised they were from middle east. Now why a hindu doesn’t behave this way. I think because hindus have been fortunate to havr Vivekananda who exhorted young boys to go out of home and play football rather than praying , as this will be good for mind and body. Also we had Nirad Choudhuri , describing how lord shiva was uncontrollable at wedding night. And then there was Nehru brought in Hindu marriage act sweeping all the garbage such as child marriage and allowing divorce. Otherwise if you think about it hindus stuck to scriptures then they wouldn’t have a glass of water from muslims as they are mlecha, which is worse that kaffir. But we junked all this away , why muslim society couldn’t do it , I think the answer is likes of Zia , who says Islam has a PR problem , RATHER THAN SAYING ISLAM HAS A INTRINSIC PROBLEM AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PR. And the fact hindus managed to offload all these obscurantism didn’t make them any less pious , in fact THE WHOLE WORLD LOOKS TO INDIA FOR SPIRITUALITY RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY. There are some green shoots in the way of shoebk, mirza and syed and history will record thier contribution. And also has any body noticed the news from iran , a women is going to be buried upto neck(men are done upto waist) with sand and then STONED FOR HALF AN HOUR FOR ALLEGED ADULTARY.
    VERY GOOD PR PROBLEM INDEED.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Shan

    You are absolutely right. All – Hindus, All denomination of Christians, Budhists, aethists , Sikhs, Jains – have adapted and moved on.

    Muslims also were an adaptive society till 1300s as Mirza indicated. They had a golden age when thoughts, science, literature flourished.

    Unless Muslims unfreeze themselves, future is really bleak; as you said it is not just a PR issue.

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    sam Reply:

    >Muslims also were an adaptive society till 1300s as Mirza indicated. They had a golden age when thoughts, science, literature flourished.

    can you analyze if this golden age was real or just PR.
    if real, how it happened and why it stopped ?

    the supposed golden age scientists were mostly infidels.

    after islam establishes itself strongly, they are less accomadative of kafir ideas.
    after that the discussion is mostly who is pure..

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    VARUN SAXENA Reply:

    I HAVE ALSO Heard that there have been several Scientists Mathematicians and Astronomers who were Muslims. Kindly refer to below. Although them being a scientist per say would have had nothing to do with them being a Muslim.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

    Sam Reply:

    bunch of exaggerated things as always ..

    if it was upto some muslims, they will claim all the science is already written up in their religious texts/myths..
    there is nothing humans have discovered, as muslim god allah has revealed everything worth knowing..

    Akash Reply:

    Sam is on autopilot. I wonder if he is real or some auto generated content. I bet he cannot write a line without Islam and fascism.

    sam Reply:

    on circumcision;;;
    the world should pass a law banning it on any minor under 18 or 21.
    after they grow up, as an adult they can decide whether to be circumsized or not..

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    KD Reply:

    Lol !! the last thing we need is a law permitting or banning every procedure done on the human body ! Let us leave it to the experts and to those who are getting circumcised (or their guardians).

    Lets not leave it to the courts or the mullahs – they have enough to do with other more important issues.

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    Sam Reply:

    Whenever some muslims like Zia call for disintegration of India, what should the response be ?

    why are the bloggers did not react to that column where he called for death or disintegration.

    M R Goswami Reply:

    Muslims say that circumcision is hygienic. They can not justify as to why the muslims mostly are not better health wise than uncircumcised men in the world over. Circumcision should be a personal choice and should be adopted if required medically. Otherwise, the adult men function equally because during the intimate action, there is no difference between circumcised and uncircumcised organ.

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    Sam Reply:

    how to ban this practice for a minor ?

  • http://Instablogs.com Anil Maheshwari

    An apt post. The issue is of the mindset. Deobandi Muslims fought for the freedom of the country and incurred the wrath of the British masters. But these Deobandi, often referred to as Wahabis are now accused for fomenting terrorism globally. Is it not ironical? It seems that we have played havoc in the post-Infdependence country in a bid to garner minority votes by the Congress and in the political game the right wing Hindu partry Bhartiya Jan Sangh, the prececessor too benefitted politrically.

    The biggest minority of the country suffered from persecution complex. Some other minorities such as Christians, Parsis and of course Kashmiri Pandits etc. thjrived in every walk of life because they has the majority mindest while remaining in the minority. On the other hand, the biggest minority suffered from the sub-minority mindest and in this game their leaders, foisted on them by the Congress played the game on the desired lines.

    We have forgotten Maulana Madni who refused the title of Padma Shri and politely told his companion in the freedom struggle Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru, ” Panditji, we fought for the freedom of the country. We are ‘fakirs’. We have to do nothing with these ‘Tamga-billa’ ( medals and titles). After independence he renounced politicis and devoted himself in the religious service. Instead of grabbing the Dar-ul Uloom, Deoband he visited Pakistan to convince Malana Kari to return to India and to resume his duties as rector of the great Islamic Seminary. Panditji choose Maulana Hifzur Rehman, a rabid communalist to represent Muslims in the Congress. Another great freedom fighter Maulana Azad was only a showpiece.

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    Sam Reply:

    It is not persecution complex.

    It is superiority complex in the disguise of persectuion..
    koran tells muslims that they have to grab political power and cannot be ruled by infidel rules.
    if you do not agree with me, please do research on your own about the sermons in muslim mosques..

    if it is persecution, they would either migrate out or convert …
    neither of that is happening… they resort to violence..and terrorism..

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    Sam Reply:

    Muslims who kills a non-muslim is not subject to retaliation.
    THis is what Islam teaches to muslims..

    just based on this, islam should be banned from civilized world and from all public space.

    http://revuse.wetpaint.com/page/Reliance+of+the+Traveller:+On+Killing+Offspring

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    shan Reply:

    @Anil, is the current Madni, bespectacled we see in the ndtv, rajya sabha mp , grandson of that famous madni. The current madni is a very nice person , and very patriotic.

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  • Sam

    Will Zia fight for a secular society in Islamic countries ?

    YEMEN
    “…the General Election Committee has adopted a policy barring all non-Muslims from running for Parliament…”

    AFGHANISTAN
    “Citizens who convert from Islam to the Baha’i faith face risk of persecution, similar to that of Christian converts, up to and including the death penalty…”

    JORDAN
    “…the Government prohibits conversion from Islam in that it accords primacy to Shari’a, which prohibits Muslims from converting … The Government freely allows conversion to Islam…”

    ALGERIA
    “Ordinance 06-03, which entered into effect in September 2006 and has been enforced since February 2008, limits the practice of non-Muslim religions…”

    COMOROS
    “Proselytizing for any religion except Islam is illegal…”

    INDONESIA
    “Article 156 of the Criminal Code makes spreading hatred, heresy, and blasphemy punishable by up to five years in prison. Although the law applies to all officially recognized religions, the few cases in which it has been enforced have almost always involved blasphemy and heresy against Islam…”

    Here’s a list of Muslim-majority nations. I’m guessing that if you look at the State Department Reports, you’ll find that almost all of them legally discriminate against non-Muslims:

    Afghanistan – Albania – Algeria – Azerbaijan
    Bahrain – Bangladesh – Brunei – Burkina Faso
    Comoros – Chad -Djibouti – Egypt
    Gambia – Guinea – Indonesia
    Iran – Iraq – Jordan – Kazakhstan – Kosovo
    Kuwait – Kyrgyzstan – Lebanon – Libya – Malaysia
    Maldives – Mali – Mauritania – Mayotte – Morocco
    Niger – Nigeria – Oman – Pakistan – Qatar – Saudi Arabia – Senegal – Sierra Leone – Somalia
    Sudan – Tajikistan – Tunisia – Turkey = Turkmenistan
    United Arab Emirates – Uzbekistan – Western Sahara – Yemen

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  • karan

    Sam …………..its called Slam dunk !!! ………..beautifully expressed ..and its wonderful to see citizens ……challenge ………..these so called hypocrities…………….INDIA is a wonderful country ………………and it DOESNT DESERVE THIS **** ……………..spread the word ………thank you for your thoughts ..

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  • Sam

    Zia …what are your views on Maududi ?
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    Non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If they do, “the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.” — Syed Abul Ala Maududi, founder of the Pakistani political party Jamaat-e-Islami

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10661454

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  • Harun Hussain

    Lets stick to what is being discussed by Zia.
    In a nut shell two things to my notice: A) muslim participation. B) religious interference.
    A). On my first visit, this year, to my (predominantly muslim) village after my grand father’s migration 120 years ago, i find that all the people (not only muslims) suffer similar fate to conditions within the village.
    It is the responsibility of the Government and the leaders of the community to develop fair and equitable conditions for all the peoples. Unfortunately this is not being done and sadly so the citizens have laid back to let things deteriorate to their own detriment.
    What is needed is a refreshed leadership. New and young leaders should stand up who have the whole country at heart. I am talking about participation by all.
    B) The Maulana has my sympathies. He not only has to protect his pulpit but his political seat. A stand must be made by the ordinary, in this case, muslim leaders to guide the community. We must as muslims, act, behave and think as citizens of this country for the good of all.
    I have many indian muslim business friends who through their hard work and sacrifices have made it in this competitive world. The muslims (indvidually & as a community) should stand up to the challengers in this world. Obstacles should not deter us from progress.

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  • Sam

    Muslims are very exclusive people.
    I am afraid of a successive muslim will be promoting islamic hatred with more vigour than an ignorant muslim.

    We have to watch out for supposedly educated muslims.
    They are even bigger threat to India.

    Just look at Jinnah and all the muslim intelluctuals.
    They are more smarter, as they provide a framework for HATRED.

    Just look at so many muslim idiots calling for the disintegration of India.
    They are found in many prominent places..

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  • jose

    Logan is from Renault! not mahindra.

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    jose Reply:

    and M&M destroyed its name!

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  • Anonymous

    Except for a very few top notch inst in US/ UK the students in all the other colleges is simply to get an entry into these countries and nothing else. These students can hardly be tagged as skilled resources. I wonder how long will this sham be allowed to be continued by these countries with finances for their own students strained and employment opportunities strained

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  • Foodie

    Ted it is leaves which are dried and then pin together with mini wooden pins the dish is called “patrala” and bowl is called “Padia” in Gujarati. They may have different names in other Indian languages. Hope this helps.

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  • northbrook

    From another article on the UN being upset by the US resisting the lead in climate control. Best states the reason WHY.
    ‘But for some reason, the climate change crowd always focuses on the technologies that don’t work as well as what we have, or that have a steep trade off, such as in our food supply quality.

    And the flip side of that focus is that they always want to reduce our use of oil, gas and coal by taxing the heck out of it and setting up some sort of carbon-credit trading scheme that could make some people very rich.

    it’s almost as if this whole climate change business is about keeping down the middle class and poor by picking their pockets and limiting their freedoms, while making some of the wealthy even wealthier. “…

    Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/u-n-officials-upset-u-s-not-going-along-on-climate-change/#ixzz2DC6KN0j8

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  • Anonymous

    Only the delusional, the misinformed, and the dishonest claim that climate change isn’t a human-caused problem. Read what the experts have been saying for decades. Some activists are saying that organizations spreading vested interest propaganda (The Heartland Institute) should be called to task. The link will take you to a list of their “experts”. These so-called “experts” are used to legitimize fossil fuel industry agendas. Their email addresses are posted. One could ask each of them how they can morally justify working for an organization that willingly propagates disinformation that could put our future generations at risk. It’s immoral to needlessly put others at risk. I hope the link goes viral!

    http://heartland.org/experts

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