Thank you, Delhi Police, very much



A Muslim cleric, Nurul Huda, flying to London from Delhi on May 12 was deplaned on suspicion of being a terrorist, arrested and then let off. It was a goof-up.

We live in a world of violent extremism. Terrorism is not directly attributable to Islam, but a potent minority kill and main in Islam’s name. Ultimately the root cause is not religion but geo-politics.

However, the growing mindset, that ‘if you are a Muslim, you could be a potential terrorist’, is dangerous. Such an attitude could end up compromising basic modern values of freedom, dignity and human rights.

Suspicion is a natural human response and law-enforcing agencies often solve the biggest of crimes through the ‘needle of suspicion’. If a theft is committed, suspicion is often the first step in determining who the thief could be.

In ordinary crime solving, police go by the “rule out, zero in” principle. This is the same principle doctors follow in making a diagnosis. Let’s understand how it works. If a patient complains of headache, a doctor first thinks of the 100 or so known “causes” of headache. The doctor then “rules out” causes that may be unlikely in a particular patient and begins to suspect which cause could be the most likely. He then zeroes in on the most probable cause.

However, there is a difference between a theft and an act of terror.

To call someone a terrorist or claim they have terror links is a serious charge. Such a charge should not be made without significant proof. Anyone charged with terror links should be able to know the basis of such a charge and its evidence.

I have repeatedly said that if counter-terrorism is seen to be harassing and driven by baseless intuition, then there is a danger of people identifying more with terrorism than with the government.

Coping with terror is indeed a terrible thing for all of us. However, people must realize that a beard and skullcap doesn’t make one Osama bin Laden. Millions of Muslims sport beards and wear skullcaps. And an overwhelming majority of them is peace-loving, law-abiding and loyal. Laden did not invent Muslim cultural identity. It did not begin with him, nor does it end at his doorstep.

Flying is becoming a hassle for Muslims in India. Three Muslims have been offloaded from flights in the past two weeks over terror suspicion sparked by religious bias. In all such cases, it was false suspicion. On May 5, a Spicejet flight made “priority landing” at Kolkata airport after a Muslim Russian couple — the woman was in a burqa — was found to be behaving “suspiciously” on board.

It is horrible to be “constantly under the scanner” just because of one’s religion. A man in a skullcap may certainly be promoting Islam, but that should be no reason to call someone a terrorist.

Huda was taken into custody and questioned all night because his phone conversation with his wife alarmed a fellow passenger. He is supposed to have said, “plane udne wala hai aur hum sab udne wale hain (we are about to fly).” Idiomatically, in Hindi that could also be construed as “about to blow up” or an explosion being imminent. Therefore, the panic.

Given the piquant circumstances, I think Delhi Police had enough reason to deplane him. We cannot afford to take risks. The police charged him with causing panic because he could not have been detained beyond 24 hours without being charged and formally arrested.

My feeling is that in this case, they were treading a cautious line. Without any hard evidence, they did not want to press a serious charge on him. At the same time, they wanted to hold him longer for more intensive questioning.

Do not forget, given that the police can be nasty, they could have exploited legal provisions to slap some terror-related charge or applied a non-bail-able provision against Huda. Yet, ideally they should have pressed no charge at all. I am not a great admirer of police ways. In this case, however, I think they acted rashly but not maliciously.

So, what can we do to minimize such harassing blunders? My appeal to Delhi Police is that they should not be driven by bias. Let me also caution the police that more such goof-ups could force Muslims to hit the streets. Not just protests, we would press the best legal minds and take the highest legal recourse to put offending investigating officers behind bars.

Also, it would not harm Muslims to be a little careful of what they say and how they behave, given the reality of terror. Be your normal self. And yes, keep that skullcap on and your fine beard flowing. Your being Muslim does not automatically make you a terrorist.

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  • DUDE

    OI zia Haq listen………go back in history look what happened to your ancestors! they were forced to convert! why do you follow something that was forced upon your ancestral blood?????????/ convert back to your ancestral religion and become free! simple!

    why believe in fake ! islam = terrorist fake religion part of the other fake abrahamic religions!

    embrace your ancestral religion, reform, become free! this blind faith is no good!

    if you want to follow islam then go away to arabia! leave the lands of india which includes, pakistan, afganistan, bangladesh and india! leave! take your iranian fake muslims with you! the real resians have sufered enough they wan ttheir zoroastrian lands back!!!!!!!!!!!!

    come on all you non muslims of india chuck these jihadis out!

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    R.M Reply:

    do you keep copy pasting your comment again and again and again dude.seems like i am reading the same thing…..like your name though

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    DUDE Reply:

    WAKE UP! learn history become free!

    embrace your ancestral religion!

    has to be done my friend………….

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    DUDE Reply:

    WAKE UP! learn history become free!

    embrace your ancestral religion!

    has to be done my friend………….

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    DUDE Reply:

    Apologies mr zia haq xxxxx

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  • DUDE

    persians

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  • DUDE

    You’re a FAKE muslim! your ancestors were converted by force! learn history make your ancestors proud! reclaim your ancestral religion back and convert back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    do a little research!!!!!! instead of listening to blind faith from the age of 2!

    wake up!

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    hahahah Reply:

    So your parents and family were not forced, or they were relative of muslims or they given some gold, like you were doing in dark age of india.

    Muslim librated the stinky caste system.

    Go read your books, or may be you will be land up in trouble soon….

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    DUDE Reply:

    Another deluded fool! Islam did nothing but cause trouble!

    trying to convert people by force , no free will at all..women have no rights etc etc

    muslims are the most deluded peopel on earth after the christians and jews!

    all the abrahamic religions are fake!

    you love islam so much why dont you go to arabia and stay there?

    or you can become free from this devil religion and wake up and embrace your ancestral religion! the ones your ancestors were, the ones you insult! oh how they must feel that their own blood has done wrong to them!

    wake up……..reform, liberate your self with your ancestral religion!

    i suggest you do not read your book because you will become a fanatic of some sort….hatred of jews, non believers paying more tax etc…….oh really liberating isn’t it?

    islam is so fake that i hold mohammed as the greatest magician of them all! fooling hte world !

    and dumb people like you, brown skinned who have no right to follow such filth are doing just that!

    go back to your ancestral religion…..you will find truth in it…… also….don’t insult your ancestors you fool!

    reform!

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    Akash Reply:

    Duude,
    Can you write a sentence without “ancestral religion” and “convert”. Looks like the cd player’s got stuck.

    Sam Reply:

    Dude,
    Keep writing your thoughts, even if people say “broken record” stuck cd..

    your message needs to sink into other people.

    until they understand it, you need to keep repeating it.

    once they understand you can move on to other things.

    Akash Reply:

    DUDE,
    Looks like your bowel movements are not working properly. Ok, well, rant as much as you can. We don’t want you to get a heart attack from keeping stuff bottled inside you.

    Sam,
    Do teach him to use a spell check and use other words besides “convert”, “ancestral”, etc. etc.

    DUDE Reply:

    I’ll do as I please, freedom of speech! why should i be oppressed like the women of islam!!!!!!!!!!!!

    fake religion!

    convert these jehadis back to their ancestral religion ………make INDIA & IRAN ONE AGAIN……..FREE FROM ISLAM!

    UNITE, REFORM, REJOICE, EMBRACE YOUR ANCESTRAL PAST !

    DUDE Reply:

    I’ll do as I please, freedom of speech! why should i be oppressed like the women of islam!!!!!!!!!!!!

    fake religion!

    convert these jehadis back to their ancestral religion ………make INDIA & IRAN ONE AGAIN……..FREE FROM ISLAM!

    UNITE, REFORM, REJOICE, EMBRACE YOUR ANCESTRAL PAST !

    Rajeev Reply:

    There is a T*U*R*D Akash on this forum using multiple IDs. He is a pro-jehadi Shehzad faisal type. Do not get fooled by so called liberal comment. He is basically a closet jehadi symapthiser.

    DUDE Reply:

    agreed!

    Ahmer Reply:

    Hmmm… yes.. I can see how this comment is relevant to the post….

    NOT! :-D

    Sam Reply:

    muslim leader Mohd bought and sold slaves and made profit.

    slavery is part and parcel of islam, even today as per Saudi scholars.

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    ram Reply:

    Just see how this fellow openly and brazenly threatens the Police for doing their duty, “Let me also caution the police that more such goof-ups could force Muslims to hit the streets. Not just protests, we would press the best legal minds and take the highest legal recourse to put offending investigating officers behind bars.” What has become of this country? No wonder we are going to the dogs, literally! So he is not in favour of giving the Kafirs even the right of self-defense! He threatens the hapless Kafirs with legal prosecution and dire consequences! How petulant and shameless! I say Kafirs should never ever be apologetic about dealing strictly with Mullahs and their ilk and subjecting them to the same process of rigorous checking, instead of chickening out to threats of peope like Zia.

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    raman Reply:

    Legal action is ok.

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  • Varun

    Police cannot be blamed for anything in this case, not even rashness.
    The girl sitting on the side of the gentlemen called the Police as I understand because she assumed that the guy was talking about blowing up the plane.

    Police had to take him into preventive custody based on facts they had. If they would not have acted and the person was really a terrorist which was highly possible in INDIAN Context as he was a Muslim then a disaster could have occurred.

    Maybe the girl was biased in her assessment.
    But Bias would exist till Muslims are involved in terror activities. Normal Muslims will have to live with it. They will unfortunately will have to live in cloud of suspicion.
    Suspicion is quite normal when people of a certain community are ready to blow themselves up in any part of the world in the name of pious Quran

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Zia,
    Let us say if that person was really a terrorist and plane was really blown up (UDA diya), would you or your muslim community take responsibility.

    The fact is that muslims both educated (Faisal Shehzad) and non-educated (Kasab) are involved in terror and till you clean up your community, you will have to co-operate with others.

    Infact all these morchas and dharnas can backfire on you…So keep your soft-jehadi brain in control.

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  • ramesh

    I understand your concern, but the security can not be lapsed for asingle person a single percnt because that 1 percent could blow the plane.This has been brought upon by your own brotherhood, and there for all muslim should cry hoarse against this terror,not enough is being said against.Only afew voices like yours,it has to come from all quaters without fear.See how Javed Akhater speaks against the silly fatwas,but he is alone.Why dont you condem these fatwas and write something that will open peoples eyes.You need to say something on this.

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  • Raju Kurien

    The co-passenger and the police did the right thing. If the bearded Mullah was a real terrorist and if the plane were bombed, police will still be blamed for not picking this guy up.

    Zia should focus his enrgy on educating and convincing his fellow Muslims not to be terrorists. People all over the world are weary about Muslims. It is unfortunatre. But that is the way it is. It was not like this till 15 years ago. Muslims themselves are the cause. HAd they not done worldwide terrorist acts, nobody will be viewing them with suspicion.

    In this particular acse, this bearded guy used a word that equates to bvlowing up.. He had a beard, a skullcap, was in the plane, was telling somebody about “blowing up”.. So, what does Zia advise in these situations –

    Muslims should stop making statements like “only a small segment is terrorists”, “Quran does not promote violence”, “people do not understand Islam” etc… Nobody needs to understand Islam. Nobody is going to rush to understand Islam. Fortunately or unfortunatrely, most get an understanding from what they read in newspapers or what they watch on TV. And what theys ee on TV is all killings of innocents by Muslims

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    DUDE Reply:

    15 years? are you deluded??????????…………..these muslims have been doing wrong ever since they came to india and iran ever since mohammed made up the terrorist religion!

    do some research learn history! you will know the truth!

    islam is not a peaceful religion! ………history shows us this!

    1000 odd years ago iran was invaded and the islamic invaders converted masses of zoroastrians (farsis) by a convert or die attitude via the sword! ……. to this day only 140k of the real persians are left in this world………..70k reside in india!

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    DUDE Reply:

    THEY tried to do the same to india when the moguls came………coming to most households and converting the eldest son on the spot if they never converted the whole family would die!.

    all these attrocities go unnoticed by the world! India and all the Hindu, jain, zoroastrian, sikh, buddist religions need to get these muslims out of ASIA!………

    what is annoying is that these stupid muslims who have been brainwashed since the age of 2 continue to follow islam via blind faith disregarding the pain that their ancestors went through!

    they need to convert back to their ancestral religions or to simply **** off!

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    S Singh Reply:

    @Dude
    It is true that Islam spread thru the sword.

    Historical injustices, while many, cannot be undone. The key is what to do now? Either Muslims renounce terrorism, and learn to love their ancestral (or adopted) land; or face the wrath and suspicion of fellow citizens. Parsis loved their adopted land with all its vigor building and creating. The inhabitants of their adopted land accepted them with hands stretched out. The same thing happened to Muslims who came through the Malabar coast.

    Muslims should stop whining, renounce terrorism, be productive and contributing citizens; or move away to Pakistan or Somalia or Saudi or whatever. Enough is enough!

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  • http://www.tanzeel.wordpress.com Tanzeel

    Being a Muslim I can understand Zia’s sentiments but I partially agree with Hindu friends as well, Muslims have unfortunately spread terror over all. Police has no other option but to keep a close eye on activities and persons they might find suspicious. Police had released that Mullah as well which should be appreciated.

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    nin thale Reply:

    Yes, the police did the right thing. They should be commended for acting promptly and conducting a thorough investigation.

    If someone who works for a madrasa says something suspicious in a plane, what conclusions do you expect people to draw? There is a context here and it is all the terrorist events the world has witnessed over the past several years.

    Will you feel safer if the police had instead said that they cannot investigate without someone giving them conclusive evidence upfront, since they fear a backlash? Is that what you pseudo secular nuts really want? All people should be vigilant and proactive about reporting suspicious activity. And the police should, as they did in this case, act promptly on reports. This is an example of how things should really work.

    The arrested muslim cleric should thank God that he lives in a coutry where the people and the police want to live in peace and are prepared to take prompt action to maintain that peace.

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    Dr Devesh Misra Reply:

    Thank you Tanzeel, just a little honest introspection by Muslims will be the first step in solving this problem. At the end of the day, reformers like Raja Ram Mohun Roy, Acharya Vinobha Bhave and Mahatma Gandhi showed this introspection into the ills of the Hindu community and set about reforming it from within.
    It will also prevent a lot of hate mongering by people like Dude on this page. Best wishes from London

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    VARUN Reply:

    Thanks a lot for your unbiased opinion !!!
    Unfortunately very difficult to find amongst Muslims at large

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    Tanzeel Reply:

    You’re welcome .

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  • Arun Krishnamurty

    Just to let my fellow Indians, we in Saudi Arabia and Dubai opened an IT company and we are looking to fill numrous IT positions. I know this not the appropriate forum but just trying to see how many of you would like to come over.

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    Akash Reply:

    Arun,
    I wonder which pinhead gave you this job.

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    Sam Reply:

    Zia,
    Can you Tell me why is it that Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” translated into Arabic has been the best seller in Egypt, Syria, Turkey, and in the Palestinian terrotories for over 40 years? \
    (dont tell me that is for literary and political research)

    As far as I know, it is not translated into any indian languages.
    That shows how much Muslims like people like Hitler.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    “As far as I know, it is not translated into any indian languages.”

    I’ve seen Hindi copies in Delhi, Marathi copies in Pune and Tamil/Hindi copies in Chennai… just go to a large book store and ask…

    FYI.. it sells briskly still in London in its english version and can be found many times on the WH Smith top seller lists.

    Sam Reply:

    In london, they want to learn from history and make sure it never happens.
    In arab countries, they want to learn about the hate spewed by Hitler.

    That is the difference.

    Ahmer Reply:

    Right… If you insist… :-p

    Ashish Reply:

    :-)
    Akash,
    just a request. Can you stop this mindless stream of “he said this, I can’t let this pass without a response”?
    It was mildly amusing when it started, it is no longer funny. My daughter and niece wanted to collaborate on a school level term paper on identity, politics etc.. and I had to firmly and gently lead them away from this blog. You know what I am referring to, don’t you?
    In the past month, my acquaintance with the vernacular has been renewed in a way that I hoped would never have to be.
    @Bobby, you too! It gets a little embarrassing when a 12 year old comes to you asking to be told what a d***head is. Hindi or English, abuse is abuse.
    I have already emailed @Zia with an earnest appeal to moderate more actively. In passing, I would like to mention that I have seen some online comments policy on one of my favourite blogs, the RTDM blog by greatbong ( http://greatbong.net/faq/ ) which I would like to quote below:

    —- Quote —
    1) Regional/Religional name-calling

    2) Personal Attacks on my blog-readers and other bloggers.

    3) Abuse, Obscenities and other Vulgarities

    4) Comments which are waaayyy off-topic [you are encouraged to email me for that]

    5) Blog-whoring i.e. promoting your blog by putting a link in the comments section of RTDM to your own blog. This is fine as long as it is on-topic, you put a brief synopsis on the comment and then for a detailed arguement direct us to your blog. However just a curt link is going to find its way into the trash.

    6) Ads for home-loans, toilet-cleaners and herbal Viagra.
    — Unquote —-
    Good starting point, can we all agree?

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    Akash Reply:

    Ashish,
    Sorry man. But, honestly, this blog would be the last place to learn about identity, politics, etc. I can’t help feeling rather annoyed by the stupid rants here and I feel duty bound to stand up to these foolish bullies. Regrettably, their numbers seem to increase day by day. I don’t agree, however, with sanitizing the comments. It would be a perfect proof to some idiots who claim superiority of our ancient culture. They are giving a nice visible proof as to how gentlemanly we are. I am quite saddened.

  • Azhar Hussain

    How many of you Muslim haters would like to go to the Middle East and work? I see all hands raised for Dirhams; Riyal etc. Point is if we Muslims were that bad, you would never be allowed to live in those Muslims. Your undia shining cannot provide you with what those countries can. You can rant and thump your chest on your forums, when given the opportunity you’ll will pack your bags and board the next Saudi or Emirtes Jet.

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    Sam Reply:

    Several middle east countries ask for muslims specifically.

    Being poor and looking for earning money should not be equated with “if we muslims are that bad…:

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    Amit Reply:

    Azhar,

    Dont confuse Money with religion. First off everyone loves money. Given the first preference, everyone would love to go to UK and US, not Emirates or Saudi.

    These muslim countries come last in the ladder of preference to earn money.

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    R.M Reply:

    thats because their exchange rate is better…nothign else

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    nelly Reply:

    I am so sorry to inform you sir, but the middle eastern countries are based on oil, take the oil out of the economy and there is nothing left, can you name even one meaningful research or invention that came out of these countries, yes, people from all over goes to these countries, but do they want to settle there the answer is no!!! most of them try to earn and get out and may be settle in more secular countries, so this is baseless that people look to mid east to make their life. Islam is more about rituals and laws, it will be good to see, if the community becomes more about sprituality, quality cannot be compensated by quality, take example of small religions like judiasm, they are highly intelligent people and hardworking, small in number yes, small in actions no.At the end, peace will win , islam no islam doesnt matter, or for that matter any religion.

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    shiney Reply:

    who says people will come to middle east at any cost? i know of enuf people who are struggling to come back to india from wherever they had gone in search of better pastures. I have visited dubai atleast 6-7 times and i find that they discriminate in a very obvious way against south asians and they dont really care if ur a muslim or not. So get a life and get some facts before u write ****.

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    DUDE Reply:

    you dont even come from middleeast you fool! you’re probably a forgotten indian! you know the ones that your ancestrors were, the converted ones……..which in turn has spawned your sorry ***!

    why have bllind faith in something that does no make any sense at all! you been brain washed since you was 2 yrs old …….knowing nothing else ,…………

    bet you dont even knw that mohammed married aisha when she was 6 and he was 52 .. and consummated with her when she reached 9 claiming she was of child bearing age! do the maths…..words for people like that!

    that is fact…

    other facts in your book include hatred of jews and non believers have to pay extra tax! now what god tells its people that? lol

    wake up, reform, go back to your ancestral religion! embrace it! learn it enjoy it

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    s chadha Reply:

    i think that mr huda has written a very balanced report . he has not ben judgmental to anyone
    all of us appreciate the reaction of the woman as well as the susequent response of the police both were well merited and balanced we live in turbulent world where anything is possible and everyone s credentials are accountable
    what i would like to point out the growing arabisation of islam and its evocative and strident approach to each and every issue . in india at least the muslim culture was / and is still well influenced by the mild hindustani ethos . witness the sufis with their universal appeal we should not judge the religion by deobandhis or wahabis which after all thrive on obduracies . constant media exposure of the rantings of such persons makes them appear more important and self opiniated and their inconsequential followers appear as legionarries
    but as i have said before the arabisation of islam which can be seen in big cities is a cause for concern witness the increase of the fully burqa clad women in suburbs of mumbai. in one housing society in mumbai owned by muslims tvsets were boycotted some time back
    i am serving as a captain of a merchant ship with varied service all over the world . there were never any issues of religion amongst a crew professing various religions . you prayed in your room at times whether 5 or once whether to mecca or the rising sun or to the cross was acceptable/ nobody knew or cared each respected the others beleif and did noy botherwhat you were doing . it was in the tolerant indian tradition there were pictures of hindu gods / christ / mother marysome left by old crew and they were respected by the new crew and left respectfully in place. after all we all knew god is one recently however i sadly witnessed a twist to this idyllic world
    i had a muslim cadet on a vessel (one of several muslim crew) he prayed when / if he wanted / was given time off for roza / etc no issues and that was the right thing to do and was the practice always
    the same person after qualifying as captain was offered command of the vessel as he should be as he was agood oficer .nobody bothered for his religious views / inclinations for we are all taught that only professionalism matters and not personal beliefs and persons appointed to authoirity are upholders of the system
    imagine our surprise that the first thing he did was to remove summarilya picture of the christ in the engine room which was there for 4 years
    times appear to be changing and do we blame the lady on the plane or delhi police ? perhaps we all need to introspect where the fault lies and the system does not irrevocably break down

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Zia

    But this is stunning

    “My appeal to Delhi Police is that they should not be driven by bias. Let me also caution the police that more such goof-ups could force Muslims to hit the streets. Not just protests, we would press the best legal minds and take the highest legal recourse to put offending investigating officers behind bars”

    On whose behalf Mr Zia?

    Are you still working for Hindustand Times?

    Or may be, I was right after all. This site is just for political pamphleteering

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    So, what does Zia suggest in these situations? The Mullah used the word that meant bombing; the woman sitting next to him naturally got alarmed and suspicious , the police took him out, released him next day.

    So, what bias is he talking about? And if there is bias, how come he is zeroing in on Delhi Police only? Does it mean other police departments are not “biased”?

    People are going to be concerned about Muslims committing terrorist acts until Muslims stop committing terrorist acts. That is where Zia and his elks should focus on.

    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Gopi

    Please note he has two points: one religious bias and second that the bias is often malicious.

    As per Zia, the passenger’s release shows there was nothing malicious about police’s action, but that he was deplaned and questioned does show Bias.

    So, he is letting the police know what can happen, if they did something, which in his opinion showed bias.

    But my question is: does HT pay its journos for speaking on Behalf of their respective communities?

    Akash Reply:

    Dude is going to puke now.. He is foaming at mouth

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    DUDE Reply:

    LOL

    vicky Reply:

    “So, what can we do to minimize such harassing blunders? My appeal to Delhi Police is that they should not be driven by bias. Let me also caution the police that more such goof-ups could force Muslims to hit the streets. Not just protests, WE would press the best legal minds and take the highest legal recourse to put offending investigating officers behind bars.”

    @ SKS Mumbai – makes a very acute observation and the tone of Mr.ZIA in the above lines.Please take note of the WE.

    Now Mr.Zia already accuses any rational question/concern on Islam and muslims which might seem to muslims as offensive as ISLAMOPHOBIC.

    The above comments which ZIA made now makes it obvious to any person that this man is himself BIASED because he is almost threatening the POLICE with DIRE CONSEQUENCES if there is an perceived alert raised by a concerned citizen – offcourse that particular citizen was concerned of his/her life than the litigation which Mr.Zia promises in the glaring WE will SUE you POLICE.

    Offcourse Mr.Zia is more concerned about the “feelings” versus the REAL threat of a terrorist attack – that is called IslamoRealism.

    Alas what shocks me is that HT is alllowing this person to threaten the POLICE on BEHALF of Muslims when a concerned CITIZEN is raising an ALARM.

    Well what i want to know is CAN MR ZIA and HT which published this article ASSURE us that TERRORIST ATTACKS will not be done by MUSLIMS – if they cant then HT should think why this person is making such ALARMIST REMARKS when LIVES are at stake

  • Amit

    “Not all muslims are terrorists but 99% of all terrorists are muslims”

    So this suspicion is justified.
    And everyone had the right for self defence and self protection.

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  • Sam

    why doesnt hindustantimes publish a columnist.

    They call me Hindu …

    Can we ever see something like that ,or the secular brigade will say it is anti -secular ..

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    jackson Reply:

    hey Sam, we dont want that dude, they call me hindu or jain or catholic, no thanks, they call me indian or i am indian and proud of it YES!!!

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    Sam Reply:

    Jackson,

    Either get rid of the column “They call me Muslim” or provide equal chance for another column

    They call me Hindu
    They call me Christian
    They call me Parsi
    They call me Sikh
    They call me Jain
    They call me Buddist
    They call me ..

    Either that, or stop Zia’s column under that title.
    This itself shows partiality towards Islam and Dhimmi status Hindustan Times follows.

    Only Muslims get to talk about their religion.
    For everyone else, it is secularism ..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sam,
    It is fashionable to be pro-muslim in India evenif it borders on being totally irrational.
    We have a perfect example next door pakistan to see how Indian muslims will treat non-muslims the day they become 20-30% of population.
    The muslims have two advantages over others-
    1. Their unity
    2. Their capacity to lie in UNISON but in different style. One of the style is being demonstrated by Zia.

    You can never handle muslims because they know how to make excuses for all their misdeeds.
    The girls like Akash on hindu side are perfect allies of such muslims.

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    Sam Reply:

    How to get a proud Hindu writer as a popular columnist ?

    Should a letter writing campaign or online petition work ?

    The editors of HT, should know that the readers want such a columnist.

    If they know that, then maybe it is possible ?

    Can anyone suggest a plan to achieve this ?

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    SeekingMoksh Reply:

    I’m sure, if and when, they do publish this column “They call me Hindu” we all can see how the “educated” “blog-friendly” Muslims react and comment on that blog-posts…

    I’m sure we won’t see this kind of hatred and venom-filled, poisonous, “loaded” comments from its readers… There would be more peaceful, meaningful discussions over there…

    That’s the difference… and precisely the reason why this blog is in place… it shows how the “public” reacts to a Muslim vis-a-vie a Hindu or a Christian or a follower or any other religion or a follower of reason and science…

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    DUDE Reply:

    thes stupid indians giving way for such filthy muslims is doing my head in!

    why was their partition in the first place?????????

    need to get rid of all these muslims or even better still india should do what the mogols do…..convert by the sword.. or the gun ………..convert all these muslims back to their ancestral religion by the masses!!!!! then you will see the world turn against india!

    god knows how these insurgent mullahs got away with mass genocide! worse than hitler!

    i agree……why have a muslim column …why is there not a hindu column or a jain column or a buddist column or a sikh column????? hindustan not muzzostan!

    india should gather masses and get rid of all of these muslims! destroy each mosque only to find true beauty in shivas ling!

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    DUDE Reply:

    ok apologies……… but doesnt mean these muslims who perpetrated these acts 1000 years ago should go unpunished

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    R.M Reply:

    ya, lets find them and kill them……………..oooooooooooooooooooooops they are dead long time ago.Even the seven janma’s of my ancestral religion must have been over…so cant kill their incarnations too……..so can we get on with our lives please:)

    DUDE Reply:

    R.M

    teach your children well!

  • http://- Rajeev

    By the way-
    1. Kaaba is not islamic because it was captured from Pagans.
    2. Quran is not original but cut copy paste from Torah and Bible.
    3. Halal is nothing but jewish Kosher.
    4. Not eating pig idea has been stolen from jews.
    5. Skull cap too stolen from Jews.
    6. Persian language is language of Zorastrians not muslim.
    7. Urdu is not a muslim language but hindi language with sprinkling of persian and arabic world.
    8. Dome shaped building are from pre-islamic Iran. Muslims can only build ugly buildings like Kaaba.
    9. All muslim angels are stolen from Torah and Bible.
    10. The very concept of prophet is also stolen from xtians and jews.
    11. Mohammad had nothing to do with Israel, the land of true prophets.
    12. Al-Aqsa mosque too is built on occupied temple mount (jews).

    Islam is nothing but theft of others language, culture, idea, technologies…Now they are unable to conquer anymore, you see them at the bottom of humanity.

    Zia, It is time you look inwards and find what is wrong with you.
    You like most of the muslims are potential Jehadi..try to curb this animal jehadi instinct with you.

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    Sam Reply:

    I would not be surprised if Zia changes the title of this column from

    “They call me Muslim”

    to

    “They call me Terrorist”

    If it helps him get more readers, by generating more controverserey, it could be plausible.

    maybe i am imagining too many things,..

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    SeekingMoksh Reply:

    Ha Ha Ha… That’s a nice joke… is it???

    A learned, aware critic of any subject should do some basic home-work before commenting on the subject…

    Any Muslim would tell you that Christians and Jews are nothing but fore-fathers of Islam… They are the People of the Books… Jews were succeeded by Christians… Who were then replaced by Muslims… Islam is extension…. improvisation… advancement of the two religions you mention…

    Learn a bit of History and do your home-work before making any such childish comments…

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    Sam Reply:

    islam is a regression , not an improvement.

    sometimes in human history not everything proceeds in the right direction.
    sometimes it is two steps forward and one step backward.

    Judaism and christianity were two steps forward.
    islam is a giant step backward.

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    Akash Reply:

    Sam,
    Inquisition? Heard about it? Pope is still being a jackass.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Moksh,
    Islam is not part of abrahamic faiths. It has merely tagged along those faiths and Arabs never had their own religious philosophy.

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    shan Reply:

    @ Rajeev, This is utter ****, arabs had a wonderful religion with 360 gods, allah was one of them , the most powerful because he was god of rain and water, he had three daughters. The Kaba existed long before prophet was born and ritual of haj and umrah existed before prophet. They also had thier kind of puja and festivals. Prophet ordered destruction of all gods except allah and left kaba intact. Not only that completely erased it from history by labelling it as Zahiliya meaning darkness.

    mashiat Reply:

    whosoever you are..please go and read the full quran first then comment.
    islam has not copied or stolen anything from any other religion.
    in quran it is clearly mentioned that ALLAH sent a number of prophets among whom Mohammed s.a.w
    is the last one.In quran it is clearly mentioned that musa(a.s) was a prophet whom jews call their god.
    isa(a.s) was a prophet whom christians call their god and refer as jesus. even bibi maryam or you may call
    her as mother mary is clearly written about. father noah whom we muslim call as nooh(a.s) is mentioned.
    it is clearly written that how allah sent those people as his messenger to go on right path..the path that leads
    to allah..some understood this and became muslims(i m using the word muslim here because you
    people call the person muslim who worship allah),some claimed these prophets to be god,some stuck to their old
    religion and continued worshipping idols,air,sun,moon,or anything they were afraid of.
    now about the books.
    tauret aur taurah as you mentioned,zabur,ingil which you call bible were the four books that were
    sent to the people by allah on 3 different prophets.similarly quran was sent by allah through mohammed(s.a.w).
    all the earlier 3 books were tampered and changes were made to them by the local people.
    but quran remains as it is as was sent.
    kaaba was not overtaken by pagans or what,but was built by true muslims of that era.
    all the domed shaped buildings were built by moghuls who were also muslims.
    infact if somebody read the quran and understands it, he’ll come to know that even all the scientific researchs
    which were made later are already mentioned in some or other way.

    but to know some religion deeply you must not be biased and must be free from any sorts of negative thoughts.
    then only my brother please judge any religion.i m not asking you to do favour to islam,
    what i m asking for is that correct your knowledge first before abusing any one or anything.
    trusting blindly what others say is not a good way. i m sure that you do not do things in this manner when
    it comes to your peronal matters. before taking any strong decision or action against someone
    you must have knowledge about the real incident.

    it is true that allah ordered killing of non belivers of allah at certain places. but it is also written that
    allah ordered that no citizen should be killed whether he is a muslim or not in some other religious war.
    the thing is that we like to see only those aspect of something which we want to.

    it is also true that terrosrist attacks are done by muslims..but my brother what will you call maoists
    in INDIA..how will you judge killings by these people?? how will you judge killing of innocent muslims of
    countries like iraq,paletine etc??

    taliban what you call was establesihed by america and when they wanted to kick out america their country..they were
    killed..is this a true judgement??

    massive killing of sikhs in the riots were not done by muslims…were they?who to blame then?
    the killing and blowing of public transport in dantewada district is not being done by muslims..
    who to call terrorist then?
    if a muslim had done that then it must had been called as terror attack..

    and nobody can be forcefully converted to some religion..by heart he will be following the same
    religion..islam was never spread by sword..no body was asked to become muslim or he is gonna die.
    the war only happened when some country would not let the muslims enter their country and
    talk about islam..

    i have more to say but time does not allow me to do so..
    and need to mention that BEING A MUSLIM DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DONT LOVE INDIA..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I don’t question your love for India but I am firm in my belief that Islam is not an abrahamic faith. It has just tagged along.
    I guess, I have right to believe what I believe.

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  • Indian Pathan

    Many of you are more dangerous than terrorist. Check your history if you want, what have you done to Dlits in the name of your religion. Shame for you. Dalilts were not allowed to sit with you, not allowed to enter your homes, not allowed to enter the temples, how many cases of ‘Dallits women’s’ rape. But thanks GOD, you are less than 0 %. You are the people who do not want to stay in peace. The average Hindu is not like you. You are spreding hatered among the peace loving people of India. I am sure, others from your own group are not listen to you. In actual you have the thinking that can destroy the prosperity of Great India.

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    shiney Reply:

    Absolutely, so the dalits got converted to muslims and we have unofficial casteism in muslims as well. Can u list out actions that your community is taking to combat this evil system? Or ur going to get back saying it doesnt exist because u want to close ur eyes to it?

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    R.M Reply:

    i was under the impression that dalits converted to christianity….

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    Sam Reply:

    your founder had slaves.
    he bought and sold them for profit.

    Dalits were not bought and sold for profit.
    so do not throw stones from a glass house.

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    mashiat Reply:

    peolpe were sold in ancient india also..
    whether in the name of slaves or prostitutes..it is not a custom of a particular religion but a particular era of history

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    DUDE Reply:

    @Indian Panthan!

    You maybe right! that is why the mentality you and many have in India NOW AND MOST DEFINIETLEY IN THE PAST is the sole reason for India (and when i mean India i mean the whole of INDIA WHICH INCLUDED PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, BANGLADESH), is the sole reason India got fucked up the A.S.S! by mullahs and muslim jihadis!

    look at the mumbai terror act by the gun men who has been sentenced to death!

    if that was in a muslim country by a person or persons of another religion/country those people would have been killed straight away! no justicve no court bollocks!

    look at iran and how the british got captured couple years ago………how the iranians humiliated the british! in public!

    people like you and gandhi screwed india over!

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  • Indian Pathan

    CPI (M) demands inquiry into ‘Hindutva terror’

    Special Correspondent

    ‘Intelligence agencies are reluctant to recognise the reality’

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    ‘Several Muslims are tortured and kept in custody for seven months’

    ‘Both Abhinav Bharat and Sanathan Sanstha expound militaristic Hindutva’

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    NEW DELHI: Accusing the United Progress Alliance government of not being firm in dealing with Hindutva terror organisations, the Communist Party of India (Marxist) has demanded a coordinated probe into all bomb blasts in which their involvement is suspected.

    An editorial in the party organ, People’s Democracy, said the intelligence agencies were reluctant to recognise this reality as they were “fixated on terrorism emanating from Muslim extremism.”

    Otherwise, the investigation into the horrific Samjhauta Express blast would not have reached a dead-end. The target was the train to Pakistan filled with Muslims. “Yet, stories were planted of extremist groups from Pakistan being responsible for this gruesome attack.”

    On the other hand, the preconceived notion in the security agencies of “Muslim terrorism” was glaringly evident in the Hyderabad Mecca Masjid blast investigations. Several Muslims were tortured and kept in custody for seven months. In the Ajmer blast case too, the police initially announced the arrest of a Muslim. “The latest revelation should bring about a correction in the approach of the police and security agencies.” Making its case for a coordinated probe into all cases involving the Hindutva terror outfits, the CPI(M) pointed out that three persons arrested for the Ajmer Sharief Dargah blast (2007) were linked to the Abhinav Bharat, said to be behind the Malegaon blast (2008). Their involvement was also suspected in the Mecca Masjid blast (2007) as the SIM card found in Ajmer belonged to the same batch used to trigger the Hyderabad blast.

    It further linked them to two Bajrang Dal activists killed while making bombs in Nanded, Maharashtra, in 2006. They were also allegedly responsible for bombing a mosque and some activists from this cell left their signature in attacks at Jalna and Purna in 2003. However, no serious effort was made to link the culprits with Hindutva organisations.

    With the exposure of the Abhinav Bharat and the Goa-based Sanathan Sanstha’s bomb-making activities in Goa, it is no longer possible to deny that Hindutva terrorism is a reality. Both the Abhinav Bharat and the Sanathan Sanstha expound a militaristic Hindutva spewing hatred against Muslims, says the editorial.

    It recalled that one of the suspects in the Abhinav Bharat case was Swami Asimanand, who operates in the Dangs district of Gujarat and is lionised by the Sangh combine for his virulent anti-Christian campaign. Curiously, neither the Maharashtra nor Rajasthan police had been able to arrest him.

    Terrorist attacks

    “The terrorist attacks in Malegaon, Hyderabad and Ajmer must be seen as the handiwork of a network of Hindutva extremist groups. They are a mirror image of their Muslim counterparts. What is required therefore is a coordinated investigation into all these attacks. It is inexplicable why the cases involving the Hindutva terrorist attacks have not been handed over for investigation by the newly set up National Investigation Agency,” said the CPI(M).

    “Hopefully, the latest revelations regarding the Ajmer and Hyderabad blasts will end this pusillanimous approach.”

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    shiney Reply:

    so what does cpi(m) have to say about naxalism and nandigram? Joker, cpi(m) isnt god’s word on current affairs.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    CPI (M) contested the last Kerala parliamentary elections with the support of extremist Muslim parties and lost big time. They had an alliance with Madani (PDP Party); thought they will peel the Muslim votes away.

    Madani hassix or so terrorist cases against him. The CPI (M) leaders were soa rrogant that they shared dias with these terrorist leaders. People, including many Muslims, got disgusted with this. CPI (M) who normally used to win 19 of the 20 seats (the other seat is always won by Muslim LEague), won only 3 seats!

    So CPI(M) is on a redemption tour!

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  • Khan

    The language the muslim haters have been using on this forum clearly points to the “great culture” they belong to. Perhaps it is their religious scriptures that have taught them to think the way they do, I am talking only about the unfortunate, uneducated, frustrated and narrow-minded souls who have blatantly displayed their inner self and cultural purity by the type of language they have used on this forum.

    Rationally examined, if you look at the newspapers for a week, you will come across incidents of robbery, rapes, dacoity, murder, bride burning, widow burning or burning of so-called witches, sacrifice of children, rioters (most latest being Muthalik of Ram Sene), gangsters, drug lords and so on. If you honestly examine their religion, you will be in for a surprise, all you muslim-haters on this forum.

    Point is, why are “terrorists” not being caught at regular intervals as happened dueing NDA rule, or why are terrorists not being gunned down in Gujarat every week just after the SC cracked its whip? Innumerable bombing incidents are now being traced to Hindutva outfits, but these find mention only in some indiscreet corners of newspapers. This is nothing but religious profiling at work.

    Those talking about pushing away Muslims from India, must realise that it is the dravidians who should be asking all later-day Aryans to quit this country.

    Again, let me make it clear, my points are directed towards the bigoted views of narrow-minded individuals on this forum only.

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    karan Reply:

    Mr Khan,

    Very true – lots of bad things happen in the world but how many are happening under the garb of Religion ??? Islamic terrorism is no longer an Indian issue but its now a Global issue.This country was partitioned because of ISLAM and this country was ravaged by islamic maniacs for centuries.

    Does your own colorful language suggest about your own uneducated,frustrated,narrow minded bigotry ?? well as per your definition it does.

    Point is why are muslims in Afganistan become so crazy and Pakistan ?? Now we see Islamists rear their head in Bangladesh,Thailand,Indonesia – not to mention the mad mullahs of Iran who happily rape their own muslim people in jails for demanding democracy ?? what about hizbullah and hamas terrorists ?? what about MILF in malaysia ?? or the Chechen muslims who massacred 220 children in Beslan (Russia) ?? What ties them all together ?? Have you seen what is happening in Africa right now – Islamists have totally gone MAD there.

    While you belittle honest people from asking questions – muslim terrorists are going on with business as usual.Have you seen terrorists holding their ak47 in one hand and the Koran in the other ?? How strange …..why Osama bin Laden quotes the Koran so regularly ??? why Hizbullah is named Hizbullah (Army of Allah) ?? what the hell is going on here ??

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    Sam Reply:

    those dacoits, rapists are not claiming their acts in the name of religion

    unlike the jihadists, who are doing it for their arab moon god Allah..

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  • ramesh

    Why have muslims allowed afew of their own to hijack their religion,why havent they spoken against it.A simple unspoken law that a muslim cannot speak against amuslim.But now the water is above head,muslims are killing muslims,it is high time they spoke.For long the mullahs have given a sacred aura to their fatwas and made people to follow them blindly. It is time they are exposed by people like you.You dont have to waste your breath to deffend your religion or muslims,use your efforts to strike those who are actually giving you a bad name.What you are doing going with the fllow is not productive.

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    Younus Reply:

    I agree with Ramesh, we muslims should expose these fatwa issuing guys.

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    Vishal Singh Jain Reply:

    I lucky did not do business with Muslim business man – but soon realized that they all are CROOKS & THIEFS with no morals at all – rather scum of the society !!!!!!!

    why is the 99% of Muslims are CRIMINALS……

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Sardar Ji is it 12 O’Clock, or is that dunda’s you Sardarji got during Indra Ghandi rule. Which one is it?

    Sam Reply:

    Unless Islam tells them to be crooks, you should see that behaviour as human weaknesses.

    Dr Devesh Misra Reply:

    Thank you Younus. I as a hindu condemn the treatment of Dalits over the centuries and you as a muslim condemn the fatwas issuing idiots at Deoband. Together we grow in solving Indian problems one by one, and also grow socially closer. BW from London.

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    Sam Reply:

    Dr Devesh.
    While I applaud your statements..

    Before you condemn everything, ask if Muslims are going to condemn Slavery.
    Their founder bought and sold slaves for profit.

    Once they condemn that, then only they have a moral right to talk about Dalits.
    Until then, do not fall for their Taqiyya.

  • Gaurav

    This Zia is no more than an over ground propagandist face of Global Jihad. A part of the Jihadis blow you to bits and the other pretend to be your best friends and shed crocodile tears. Islam is on path towards Global Domination by all ways and means possible. The days of all non-muslims are numberd. Until and unless they wake up to the truth and take the bull by its horns. The only way for us non-muslims to survive and sustain our way of life is the complete annihilation of Islam and Muslims. To their last unborn child. Let no mercy be shown. The seeds are being sown for one final Muslim Holocaust.
    Come 2012 the seeds shall start bearing fruit. Let at all Muslims beware, death itself shall shudder, what we`ll do to them and there won`t be any stopping us. Here we come…..

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    DUDE Reply:

    Agreed! destroy islam the true root of evil creatd by the greatest magician peado of them all mohammed! i have proof!

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    Khan Reply:

    Gaurav and Dude, Dreaming??? That’s what I call true frustrated souls. You will die shadow-boxing and dreaming of eliminating Islam, unfortunately you will not achieve anything in life–you are such losers. I pity you. Go back to your scriptures, study, get some sense, and move on in life. That way you will be contributing more to humanity rather than spreading hatred through your vitriolic comments.

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    DUDE Reply:

    yo genghis ……….. convert back to your ancestral religion! only then wil you be free from hatred towards non muslims!

    wake up, reform, rejoce, embrace your ancestral religion, learn from it breathe it!

    stop following something that was brainwashed into you! from age of 2!

    L Mirza Reply:

    Terrorism has become synonymous with modern Islam.

    The “revival” is happening in Islam in a regressive way. The people who want to take it back to the sands of Arabia as it was in 600s are winning. They do not like anybody including “other” Muslims.

    What else could explain the brutal and systemic killings and destruction of Sufis and their darghas?.

    Wahabis are opening Madrasas in large numbers near all Darghas.. so that these students will do suicide bombing against the darghas and people who come to pray.

    They dont want music. they dont want dance. They say these are corrupted form of Islam. Instead of really rejoiicing in “one God”.

    Indian (and all other) Muslims will be better off with a loving religion like Sufism instead of a sword driven violent hate all religion they follow. Loving some is less important than how the mustache is cut or the angle of the skullcap. Illiterate mullahs are destroying a peaceful religion; and creating violent extremists. Life is beautiful and all become one when Sufis sing “dum dum mustt Qualander’ and when Hindus sing “dum dum damaro” .

    Wahabis started killing Ahamadiyyas in Pakistan twenty five years ago; now they have started killing Barelvis/Sufis.

    If Islam transforms and becomes the islam of Sufis and Rumi’s and Abdul Latif’s, then Islam has a chance. Otherwise, they will self destruct, will become hated by all, feared for their violence, discarded for their ignorance.

    This is what one powerful maulavi said “Music is against the law of Islam. Musical instruments lead men astray and are sinful. they are forbidden and tehse musicians are wrongdoers. with education (???), we hope they will change their ways” ..

    Latif said “dont kill infidels, kill your own ego”. All the great masters and Gurus of India/East always advidsed to control and destroy ones ego. Indian Muslims have to be a part of the ancestral India, and cannot be like water and oil. Sepaartion and exclusion will never bring them accaeptance. Coupled with the bterrorist activities worldwide, they will always eb viewed with suspicion, whatever constitution says or not. People go with their hrearts.

    Shoeb K Reply:

    I for one believe that Lucknow/Sindh Sufiism will go a long way to “cool” Muslims and bring all togetehr. Dara wrote about bringing the two oceans together, translating the great Indian/Hindu books to Persian.

    Language and methods of love are far preferable to jviolent ehad. For many Shias and Sufis, especially in India, jehad is an internal self movement and struggle to a selfless eternal situation, one to achieve Nirvana, like many great Indian seers have preached. Through Sufism and modified Lucknow Shia, Islam adapted to the Indian ethos.However, as Mirza stated, these people are under assault from Wahabi fascists like Deobandis.

    Akash Reply:

    Shoeb,
    Maulana Kalbe apparently agreed with Deoband’s fatwa. That makes me sad. Incidentally, some people are saying that it’s not a fatwa but was mistaken for one by some idiot. Here is the link on Vir Sanghvi’s page:

    http://virsanghvi.com/CounterPoint-ArticleDetail.aspx?ID=486

    Ashish Reply:

    @Akash
    this is Maulana Kalbe Jawwad and NOT the Maulana Kalbe Sadiq; vive’ la difference..

    Akash Reply:

    Oops! my bad! I should have noted the last name too..
    :)

    Akash Reply:

    Dude,
    Would you drink some water and chill a bit, please. What’s this nonsense about going to ancestral religion. You should convert to your ancestral religion, that of a barbarian. Have some shame. Maulana Azad was also a Muslim and so is APJ. Is this the way you are going to advertise Hinduism?

    By the way, Genghis Khan was not a Muslim. Read a bit before spewing your idiotic comments.

    Dr Devesh Misra Reply:

    Khan, pl ignore such mindless hate. As a hindu, I apologise. These are troubled times indeed.

    Gaurav Reply:

    You guys are just old farts and button pushers. makes me sad and sentimental hee hee. Anyways not here to debate your stupid issues. Telling you as a fact that come 2012 muslims shall start dying at the rate of thousand a day. Wish could increase the rate of processing but logistics come in way. You guys still do not get it. This all way beyond debating. we are going to take this to the brink. We are fine tuning our skills. A sample of which has been displayed over the recent years. That shall dwarf what we shall unleash come 2012. None of us gives a rat`s *** what becomes of the Hindus and India. The single point agenda is complete anihilation of muslims. As long as that is achieved we dont care if hindus perish too or the entire world gets engulfed in a nuclear third world war. We dont care if the entire bloody humanity persihes as long as muslims are eliminated. Thats the single point agenda, and to be sure we gnna get it, wait n watch … come Ramadan 2012 wen mecca goes up in a mushroom …..ud remember wat is was talkin about…..hee hee……Ciao

    DUDE Reply:

    @AKASH

    Yo ……….read between the lines……obvoiusly genghis khan was not a muzzo dog! he had better things in mind! i was making a passing joke fool!

    wake up and relax your flaps!

    another thing you do some research and leanr history on why the mogols came, why so many muzzos are named ‘KHAN’ ……………. DOPEY MOGOLS TRIED TO IMITATE THE MONGOLIANS to go east as oppose to west by genghis khan!

    stop faking yourself …………convert back to your ancestral religion! not barbarian you fool!

    learn history find out truth …..dont be blinded by fake mohammed abrahamic balls! you been brainwashed since age of 2……….

    islam need to be erradicated from the indian sub continent as well as from iran ………..so the true zoroastrian persian people can claim thewir lands back!

    wake up AKS…………OR SHOULD I SAY MUSHTAQ AKBAR?

    DUDE Reply:

    @AKASH

    Yo ……….read between the lines……obvoiusly genghis khan was not a muzzo dog! he had better things in mind! i was making a passing joke fool!

    wake up and relax your flaps!

    another thing you do some research and leanr history on why the mogols came, why so many muzzos are named ‘KHAN’ ……………. DOPEY MOGOLS TRIED TO IMITATE THE MONGOLIANS to go east as oppose to west by genghis khan!

    stop faking yourself …………convert back to your ancestral religion! not barbarian you fool!

    learn history find out truth …..dont be blinded by fake mohammed abrahamic balls! you been brainwashed since age of 2……….

    islam need to be erradicated from the indian sub continent as well as from iran ………..so the true zoroastrian persian people can claim thewir lands back!

    wake up AKS…………OR SHOULD I SAY MUSHTAQ AKBAR?

    Akash Reply:

    DUDE,
    I agree we should all convert to our “ancestral” religions. Remember, they used to sacrifice humans back then. Once we convert, the first goofball we are going to sacrifice is you. Got that? Now go and do your potty training and stop farting nonsense.

    S Singh Reply:

    Khan is right. We should debate the issue and use appropriate language.

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    DUDE Reply:

    Just giving you facts!

    I’m sure the innocent victims of mass conversion 1000 years ago by the mullahs were not given facts!

    injustice……….. yet india is still bending over backwards for these insurgents! ……..

    india, iran, afgahnistan, pakistan, bangladesh all need to convert these muslims back to their ancestral religions! for true peace!

    or simply ship them out to live where they think holiness himself mohammed is worshiped! let arabia be burdened by the spawned people they created!

    Sorry but all muslims even the ones you think are your friends or etc have some jihadi tendencies against non muslims…….!

    not all but majority……… why do you think islamaic countries are so racist, and predjudiced towards non muslims?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Most hate filled blog I have come across. I wonder how minorities live in your suffocating and self-rightous country.

    http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GNIPC.pdf

    Most of Muslims countries are doing better than you jokers.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Akash I understand your point of view. So is the population Muslims much more than 1 billion if we alll could stack them together. Much more diverse and different than the population fo India. Nobody supports terroism but look at the causes of such fanatism. Me and you can discuss this on the forum, and maybe get angry at each other but you got to understand if someone loses his homeland then what does the world to expect. Lets see how you guys would react if hindus were killed in the Caribean, like Muslims are being killed in Iraq, Afgahnistan and Kashmir. Now your opinion will change. What if your country is occupied wht would you? I doubt you are going to stay put, and go to the next resturant and sit and drink a glass of Lasi or Mango juice. You will take up arms and make sure that stike fear in the occupiers heart.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Azhar

    You are totally wrong! Hindus were killed en masse in Sri Lanka; no Hindu in India went to fight with them; no one set suicide bomb. It was an internal issue to eb resolved in Sri Lanka. In fact, many Indians (and Hindu indians) were quite upset that the Hindu minority in Sri Lanka was using women and children in suicide missiosn in Sri Lanka.

    Catholics did not band together when IRA and Catholics were being attacked in Northern Iireland.

    Muslims are unique in thes ense, they take on teh cause of any Muslim anywhere in the world whether they are right or wrong. Why would an Indian Muslim son of two doctors go to Scotland and explode himself? Why would Muslim kids from South India go to training in Pakistan and explode bombs in parts of india for the sake of Kashmir?

    Muslims are the only ones who do not have a “country”..They have Ummah. It is high time they care for their countries and countrymen, and humanity in general and not just for pockets of land where Muslims happen to be. Let Palestinians fight for Palestine, or Iraquis for Iraq. Why do Pakis and Saudis (And Indian Muslims) have to fight for them?

    Akash Reply:

    Azhar,
    I understand your point of view, but some of it is quite simplistic in its generalization. I can see why there is such a sympathy among muslims for “atrocities” against them in the world. I would have much greater sympathy if they showed the same kind of resolve when some Muslims rulers or governments are themselves to blame. For example, in Darfur, Arab raiders have created such mayhem, but surprisingly we don’t hear a word about it anywhere. As for Iraq, you should remember that most people opposed America’s involvement– even in US and Britain there were huge protests against the war. Now, the war there is almost over. I can’t understand why there are still bombings and random shootings going on. By the way, I never heard such chest beatings when Saddam Hussain was gassing Kurds. I have already posted my views about Afghanistan. US had full rights to go in Afghanistan. If you shelter a terrorist, you should suffer the consequence. US is not India where you can send bombers every year and all we do is hand over dossiers. Incidentally, Afghans themselves are not so opposed to US getting them rid of the Taliban. Please refer to columns by Farhat Taj. You can google her.
    Kashmir is a problem but as many people have pointed out, we never hear about decades of violence where Hindus were singled out for brutal massacres in Kashmir. You can find videos by Hoodbhoy about this.

    The problem is that you guys condemn terrorism but in the same breath issue qualifiers like ‘if’ and ‘but’, which generally waters down your response. So, for example, here you have said that we condemn terrorism but what would I do if so and so etc, etc. Such responses do not come from people who are honest about condemning terrorism in all forms. How would you feel if I said, for example, that RSS and Bajrang Dal are bad but look at how Hindus are being killed even in India and discriminated in Middle East and so on. There are some people who think they are valid causes. Would you agree?

    I have no sympathy for our right-wing Hindu fanatics but I have even less sympathy for ideologues who send bombers to kill infidels. They should be hunted down at all costs. If it means we have to side with Israel or US, so be it.

    Sam Reply:

    most of the muslims grievances are manufactured out of thin air.

    on a closer examination, it is they who start the trouble.

    they drove jewish people out of Mecca/medina and Saudi.

    Will current Arabs support a right of return for jewish people ?

    will pakistanis support a right of return of hindus to their Sindhu river civilization ?
    will they say sorry for all the slaves bought and sold by their cult leader Mohd ?

    anil Reply:

    muslims are being butcherdd in pakistan by pakistanis.. in sudan by sudanese in iraq by ioraqis .. what the heck are u doing about it

    Akash Reply:

    DUDE,
    I agree we should all convert to our “ancestral” religions. Remember, they used to sacrifice humans back then. Once we convert, the first goofball we are going to sacrifice is you. Got that? Now go and do your potty training and stop farting nonsense.

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    nationalist Reply:

    Simple question to Azhar – why are Muslims hated everywhere: US, Europe (Bosnia, Switzerland, UK, France, Netherlands, etc), India, East Africa, West Africa, Phillipines, Russia, Australia, Israel,etc ?
    Why do Muslims have a problem with everyone? Why cant Muslims live in peace with their neighbours?
    Why do all cultures have some problem or the other with Islam?

    DUDE Reply:

    Learn facts…………no one sacrifies humans apart from some african cultiures! ..also there was astory in the bible about father who was going to sacrifice his child…….! so abrahamic religons also sacrifice!……no one worships idols, etc………….learn facts before spewing ignorant things which mostly eminate from muslim persons mouth x

  • vicky

    Mr.L Mirza,

    you raise some very interesting points.

    ISLAM orginated in SaudiArabia(Mecca) and Muhammed was an Arab

    belonging to the Quraysh tribe.So which sect of Islam did Muhammed

    follow ??? offcourse thats a ridiculous question because then it was

    just ISLAM.

    Today there are 72 sects of Islam spread across the world.Obviously

    as Islam spread cultural,social influences of the people played a

    role in the formation of these sects.Sufism in the sub-continent is

    one such sect – yes its peaceful and merry but is this the same Islam

    as the one being followed in the times of Muhammed ?

    The question is not of modernity or peace – the question is how come sub-continent Muslims(non-arabs) know more about true ISLAM than the Arabs of Saudi Arabia ???

    Was the Koran revealed in Hindi or Urdu ?? No it was classical Arabic.Most of muslims here cant even read and write either hindi or Urdu …so how much chance do they have of knowing Arabic and having read the Koran (not mugging it up but understanding what they are reading ) ??

    You are right the brand of islam which salafis present is violent and pre-historic but the question is how do you know they are wrong and you are right – have you read the koran in Arabic ???

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  • syed

    @Zia,
    I have been meaning to say this for sometime – I feel that some of the recent comments on this blog would perhaps be more suited for hate sites rather than a blog of a respected mainstream newspaper. Now don’t get me wrong, I am all for free speech but as the saying goes – a place for everything and everything in its place. You will appreciate that the Hindustan Times blog is read by all and sundry including school students and I don’t think many parents would like their children to be exposed to such comments (any more that they would like po*n to be printed on the paper) at a tender age.

    For those who would oppose what I am saying I would like to tell them that there lots and lots of nice hate sites where their talents can be put to good use!

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Regards of what you say Syed, India is full of haters period. The moment you, yes you Syed start giving the facts about Islam and what it stands for, see how these guys jump on you. But being an indian you know how to protect your behind. Look at high achieving Indians Muslims, eg Salman Khan; Shah rukh Khan without compromising their beliefs they would not be where they are now.

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    Akash Reply:

    Azhar,
    I cannot apologize for the crude behavior of my countrymen. You must remember that we are a country of more than a billion, and like every country we have our share of rascals. Unfortunately, their number has grown exponentially in the recent times with the threat of Islamic terrorism. I know some well meaning people who have become radical after the Mumbai massacre. The video of that episode on Channel 4, which is freely available on youtube, fueled this fire even further.
    For most part, these guys are a bunch of losers.

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    syed Reply:

    @Azhar,
    India is definitely not a country of haters but maybe this blog is!

    I would not be what I am without extremely close friends from communities different from my own.

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    Akash Reply:

    Syed,
    I agree with you. Unfortunately, it seems like some morons feel duty bound to fill up pages with their unfiltered nonsense. I wonder what happened to the language of a civil society. Don’t these people realize that they sound more like the people they are criticizing.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Syed,
    100% agree.
    @Azhar,
    only losers think that winners won because they “compromised” their beliefs; if it was so simple to win, all of us would be winners.

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    sbhatt Reply:

    @ashish: you are totally correct.. there has to be way in which bloggers should interact.. HT should remove comments that are derogatory and abusive in nature. Until then we cant help but to bear with these intolerant bigots from different religions.

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    Sam Reply:

    please tell us what is hate ?
    isn’t self defence a right for other religions ?

    it is reactive, rather than proactive.

    imagine if hindus went and terrorized people in Mecca and killed 167 people.
    Will muslims just sit quiet and issue statements only (like most hindus are doing right now) or will they attack every hindu on street in Arab countries ?

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @syed
    I agree, it is high time.

    It isn’t that comments are not moderated here.

    Of course, we have some veterans who have been allowed to do so for quite some time, but many are newer entries. I’ve made a few requests to the commentators, once in a while but it clearly hasn’t worked.

    My suggestion issue one warning and in case of repeat offence, Ban for ever (of course he could return by another ID, but does not matter, can be banned again).

    The least that you can do is to censor the cuss words nothwithstanding the *&^@ kind of trickery

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    Ashish Reply:

    @SKS
    I noted your post on Gautam Chikermane’s blog (guidelines for posting and in a wider sense, how to run a blog).. it might bear repetition here.

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Ashish

    ‘only losers think that winners won because they “compromised” their beliefs; if it was so simple to win, all of us would be winners’

    May be it takes the right kind of ‘FRAMEWORK’ to locate those compromises. Read this series of “more than correct scholarship’ to see what all poor SRK had to undergo in the HINDU India.
    http://pulsemedia.org/2010/04/22/the-king-is-out-his-name-is-khan-long-live-the-king-part-ii/

    Some exciting gems : This is about SRK acting in the music video of Vajpayee’s poems in 2002:

    “the Other of Hindu India: the explicitly anti-Muslim, Hindu nationalist party ruling India (1998-2004) shows its coercive and persuasive potency by recruiting precisely the body of Bollywood’s Muslim super star to enact its fantasy”

    what is Sick??

  • prashant saxena

    Hey man,

    You are shouting into a vaccum, there are no takers for your thoughts, your rants will not change anything, you will pass into oblivion crying yourself hoarse.

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  • Ahmer

    @ Zia,

    Every post of yours has the same comments from the same people over and over again. Can’t you disable comments? Free speech is one thing… common sense is another… maybe people can email you directly if they need to respond in a private manner and all this non sense and fighting and mud slinging can be avoided.

    Anyhow, with regards to your post, what would you have done if you were next to a ’suspicious’ person? In all honesty, if I would be worried about a bearded maulana with skull cap saying “plane udne waala hai” too… just as much as I would for a guy with a tilak mark on his forehead, or a cross around his neck. We all love our lives and would like to preserve them. And besides, isn’t precaution better? I agree racial profiling is bad but this has been handled well enough by the authorities. I think more emphasis should have been put on that!

    Mr. Huda too should have known better… what is it with people and talking on the phone right till take off?! Is it a sport?!

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Ahmer

    “somebody will if I would be worried about a bearded maulana with skull cap saying “plane udne waala hai” too… just as much as I would for a guy with a tilak mark on his forehead, or a cross around his neck’

    Off course Freedom of expression allows that.
    But do you think, any body is going to take you seriously, in case of the guy with tilak mark or a cross around neck?

    NOT yet

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    Ahmer Reply:

    Probably not… yet…

    But self-preservation does make people suspicious and act in ways they might not normally.

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  • ramesh

    The recent fatwa baning women to work with men at work place and even to work at all can be countered by a fatwa issued by a learned muffti from Egypt. He upon asked about the workplace dilema of women said that the women in this should suckle the men in their workplace which would make the men their son like and therefore [the khulwa] haram would not apply.Tarvesty is all that comes to the mind.Are these mulhas not aware that these women folks could be the only support for certain families

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    Sam Reply:

    they just want sit at home and become a baby making machines and then claim resources from the society.

    in the rest of the society people work hard, to maintain their families and pay taxes.
    here they just want to be lazy and come up with all the theories of discrimation..

    this is another form of Jizya collection from dhimmis.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Sam, out of 1 billion plus only 150 m muslims, gues who are the baby making machines.

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    Sam Reply:

    Deobandi’s fatwa is intended for that.
    I am writing how the society will look if muslim woman follow that.

    DUDE Reply:

    They do that in USA, FRANCE, AFRICA AND IN UK! TOO……..all they do is make babies…10 per house hold and claim benefits of the government…….they dont work…. yet they always have money ….alot of it too………muslims are known for this…..corrupt people…..working the system to fund their terror activities!

    convert all these muslims back to their ancestral religion …only then will they be free of hate!

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    DUDE Reply:

    They do that in USA, FRANCE, AFRICA AND IN UK! TOO……..all they do is make babies…10 per house hold and claim benefits of the government…….they dont work…. yet they always have money ….alot of it too………muslims are known for this…..corrupt people…..working the system to fund their terror activities!

    convert all these muslims back to their ancestral religion …only then will they be free of hate!

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    Akash Reply:

    DUDE has pooped all over the place. It stinks! I bet he is an ISI agent instructed to defame Hinduism by his mindless rants.

  • http://- Rajeev

    This forum is infested with closet Jehadis and their supporters so it is time Zia block those to save his own skin.
    Zia, you have a responsibility for not creating any more jehadis. The girls like Akash will continue to appease you kind because they are scared of your terror but not everyone is imbecile like Akash.

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  • Indian Pathan

    Almost majority of the above comments are not good for a healthy society. Every place whatever it belong to any religion, cast or language has good and bad people. Showing disrespect to others proves the mentality of onself.

    We are belonging to a country that going to be developed nation. People from different religions staying together for centuries. “SAAREY JAHAN SEY ACHHA HINDOSTAN HAMARA”.

    This is a very short period of life. In average at the 60 years, ends one’s life. Generally, upto 20 years, this period goes to our chilhood, upto 35 years it goes to studies, remaining part goes to job or business. But what about after passing this worldly life. This is very important whether we believe it or not. Each and every moment of our life is valuable. The result of each act, we are going to face and will be either punished and rewarded. The journey starts from death. After death nothing can be done. Many friends on this board will not agree with me even some will get angry, I apologize. But all of us going to face. My work is only to provide the information. What is the harm if we study and try to realize the facts. Who is the creater of the great sky with out pillers. How the humans come to this world, stay some time then go to another world. Dear brothers, do not take death easily. This is changing from one world to another, thanks.

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Indian Pathan

    Dawah all the way?

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    SeekingMoksh Reply:

    there’s nothing wrong in “dawah” SKS…

    this is the least sane people can do amongst hordes of hate-spreaders… good-manners and respect for fellow human-beings irrespective of their gender, thoughts, religion, sect, race is what humanity is all about… dividing people on these lines is inhumane… and fighting amongst ourselves is even worst…

    we’re part of a country, a young democracy where people have the right to speak out their minds… we should respect this basic right given to us and make use of it for the betterment of all, not just hindus or muslims or just dalits, betterment of all Indians… and why stop at just Indians… why not the people of whole world… let us all cherish this life that we’ve been bestowed… lets make a difference to people around us… lets make use of the time we have to lessen someone’s pain rather than causing hurt to others…

    let us not worry about the life after death… if we do our deeds in this life. i’m sure a better results await after… for people who don’t believe in life after death, at least you would have done good for your brothers and sisters and your children….

    nice to read your views Indian Pathan… couldn’t help myself from writing my feelings… don’t worry about others… fear not the opposition, just do good, for yourself, for others, for all… may all of us have the wisdom and love for others…

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  • sajid

    i fail to understand one thing. if ur flying .. one has to go throu number of security check points. if somebody has already check in going all throu the security drill.. n stll somebody wearing a skull cap or women wearing a burqua speaks on the phone , how com these types of alarm is raised.
    those who raise such alarm should also be booked. Secondaly if muslim are terrorist why dont u double check on them before they board the flight. instead of creating news. the security system is again and again proving that they are biased towards muslim n simply dont want muslim to travel by air.

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    anil Reply:

    u will cry of bias if double-check happens.. even those guys mohd aat werre screened still they managed to blow the plane..

    it’s better to be safe than sory.. muslim sud stop complainign and let police do their job

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    Sam Reply:

    muslims just cry wolf…
    they are good at imagining things, which do not have any basis in reality.

    everywhere they see, how they are mistreated.

    these very same people, do not even want to condemn Saudi (&happy to take their money)..
    Look at the gross violations in Saudi.
    A top cleric there, says Islam allows slaves, 9yr girl can marry 80yr old guy…
    all this approved by islam.

    go condemn them.
    until then, you have no moral right to bring up your imagined wrongs..

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  • Gaurav

    You guys are just old farts and button pushers. makes me sad and sentimental hee hee. Anyways not here to debate your stupid issues. Telling you as a fact that come 2012 muslims shall start dying at the rate of thousand a day. Wish could increase the rate of processing but logistics come in way. You guys still do not get it. This all way beyond debating. we are going to take this to the brink. We are fine tuning our skills. A sample of which has been displayed over the recent years. That shall dwarf what we shall unleash come 2012. None of us gives a rat`s *** what becomes of the Hindus and India. The single point agenda is complete anihilation of muslims. As long as that is achieved we dont care if hindus perish too or the entire world gets engulfed in a nuclear third world war. We dont care if the entire bloody humanity persihes as long as muslims are eliminated. Thats the single point agenda, and to be sure we gnna get it, wait n watch … come Ramadan 2012 wen mecca goes up in a mushroom …..ud remember wat is was talkin about…..hee hee……Ciao

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    S Singh Reply:

    @ Gaurav

    This is not the forum to make these statements. Let us all discuss the particular blog; pro and con, why one disagrees or agrees, or why the author has not seen the other side etc.

    Also, with all our issues and problems, let us all live together; life is better than death; and let us not use words like elimination, annihilation etc.

    I do understand your anger; hope it gets redirected!

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    DUDE Reply:

    WAKE UP INDIA AND IRAN …….GET rid of these mullahs and fakers ………islam meant to be monlithic……….they abuse other religions like no mans lands…….abusing the caste system…………yet most muslims hate blacks…….saudis look down on pakis and inidans and any muslim from the indian sub continent………

    islam has so many different sects now………..so islam is not a monolithic religion!

    it is a fake religion conjured up by the greatest magician of them all .mohammed

    peace!

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    anil Reply:

    To call someone a terrorist or claim they have terror links is a serious charge. Such a charge should not be made without significant proof.

    what if that suspicison comes out to be true.. u will be sitting here abusing police for not doing thier work and lettign plane-ful of people getting bombed

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  • DUDE

    WAKE UP INDIA AND IRAN …….GET rid of these mullahs and fakers ………islam meant to be monlithic……….they abuse other religions like no mans lands…….abusing the caste system…………yet most muslims hate blacks…….saudis look down on pakis and inidans and any muslim from the indian sub continent………

    islam has so many different sects now………..so islam is not a monolithic religion!

    it is a fake religion conjured up by the greatest magician of them all .mohammed

    peace!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Dude,
    Stop this propaganda..no muslim is going to revert to religions of their ancestors.

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    DUDE Reply:

    they will if they wake up!!!!!!!!!!! many muslims are converting out of islam!

    they just hide it!

    if only the indian ancestors grouped together at the borders 1000 years ago and defeated these jihadi mogol mullahs…………the world we know now would have been a much better place!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Dude,
    Let muslims fight that battle. They should be allowed to make their own decisions.

    Akash Reply:

    Even Rajeev is fed up of you DUDE..

    DUDE Reply:

    let him be…………he knows the truth….

  • DUDE

    Aryans and Dravidians stand up against islam! reclaim your lands and convert back to your ancestral religions!

    wake up!

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  • anil

    look at this idiot.. police deplanes someone after finding nothign 2wrong lets him go but even that is not enough this idiot wud like polivc3e to give people benfit of doubt And endanger fellwo passengers.s. he is threatening police for doing thier job..

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    Ram Reply:

    Dear Ziaji,

    It is a well written and excellent column. I do not understand why HT allows irrelevant and malicious comments to be allowed on this website? Instead of having a civilized and courteous debate debate it has degenerated into a confused and bitter confrontation! Anyways keep up the good work Zia ji and more power to your pen.

    Warm Regards

    Ram

    Singapore

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    DUDE Reply:

    What are you on about? have you even read the article? it’s a biased view from a person hevaily involved with islam and what ever dodgey things that go on within islam! Zia is just an attention seeker………just like all of his fellow muslims!

    all they want is land more land and to convert people….ISLAM DOES NOT MEAN PEACE!
    IT IS a hate religion that has been over rated by people like zia ………. discriminating all other religions!

    these beardos need to wake up and smell the coffee that islam is fake………..people like you mr ram need to stop bending over to muslims letting them bum you ………..

    its people like you that let jehadis infest iran and india …..and indonesia, etc…….

    wake up convert back to your ancestral religion!

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Dude…

    May I suggest you, Rajeev (if he wishes), Sanjeev and Sam (and any other willing right winger) make one standardised post that throughly condemns Islam, calls Muslims idiots and traitors, Christians too if you’d like, ridicules the prophet, points out the various problems with Saudi Arabia and ends with a couple to cuss words.

    Infact DUDE (whats with this ’shield’ name anyway?) you can also throw in a solo “Wake Up and Embrace your ancestral religion” number to top it off.

    That way most people who would like to argue with you can do so in that one thread and the rest can discuss and debate the post in a civilised manner without fear of provocation or attack in other threads below.

    That way everyone can be happy. :-)

    DUDE Reply:

    HOW DARE YOU BE DIGUSTINGLY INSULTING!

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

    i have no idea of the stance that these others you mention have! so i can’t comment on their exploits!

    as for my own agenda, well im here to help people realise they dont have to be oppressed by a regime that conducted mass genocide 1000 odd years ago, and which it has spawned into.with people that follo wit via blind faith ………. disregarding fact that the birth place of the cult dispises all other races even if they are muslim!

    hence the arabs hating the pakis, and bangladeshis and indians etc…….these indian sub continent muslims should not stand for it and should convert back to their ancestral religion ! which is NOT PAGANISM, IDOL WORSHIPING, OR HUMAN SACRIFICING THAT these ignorant muslims think!

    peace

    Gouri Reply:

    I am unable to understand why a passenger with valid Boarding Pass was detained for more than 24 hours even after the authorities were satisfied that he was not a terrorist. What hell is going on?

    DUDE Reply:

    BECAUSE Muslims are all secret terrorists!

    ISLAM = PEACE MY A.S.S! …………….. GO learn history 1000 years ago on how islam was spread to iran and india!

    MASS GENOCIDE! WORSE THAN HITLER!

    Sam Reply:

    It is the kind of peace which comes after a person is dead.
    like R.I.P
    (rest in peace).

    DUDE Reply:

    SORRY IF THAT WAS OFFENSIVE

    Rahmath Reply:

    We can see them in the older comments section, maybe becasue of the number of comments being so much , it shows like this.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ DUDE

    :-D

    akram Reply:

    If goverment will not punish the related police man as well as concerned officer those are involved in arresting to an innocent citizens ( maulana nurulhoda ) it means that goverment is doing injustice to their duty as well disobey the indian constitusion

    so idiel solution is to go in dehli haigh court or suprime court ask to them to provide me justice
    dont hope goverment will do justice, try to get justice from higher court only ,

    Sam Reply:

    That is a good idea from Ahmer.

    Can I suggest along the same lines.

    All the Muslims who supported two-nation theory, go to our neighbouring country (just like Jinnah did, and they voted for him anywa)..

    and leave us alone.

    after they do that, we can have a separate column.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    Excellent idea… only you are 63 years too late! All those people who voted for Jinnah and supported the two nation theory have all already left. Since then we’ve fought 4 wars with them, broken their country in half, had numerous peace dialogues, played many cricket matches and seen many of their singers churn out hits in Bollywood.

    I wonder where you have been all this while. But no matter… since your condition is fulfilled then lets start that separate column. ;-)

  • http://- Rajeev

    What I find strange about muslim and akash kind of people is that when police (ATS) catches muslims involved in terror, they ask for proof and question integrity of police but when same ATS remotely pointes towards Hindus involved in terror, muslims lap it up as gospel truth (Zia included) and start a drumbeat about so called hindu terror. They infact start using these ATS accusations against hindus as facts and use it in every debate (Teesta Mujahid Setalvad, Her son Junaid calls her Mujahid).

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  • vicky

    I am shocked – i have never heard such a threatening article by a journalist published in a major newspaper and belive me i read several every day.

    This man has answered his own question – Am i a Muslim or an Indian

    Any Indian would sympathize with the alarm which was initiated by a vigilant indian – ZIA doesnt give a damn about the realism of islamic terror – he seems to be more concerned about MERE FEELINGS – how sad – what would ZIA write if the bomb exploded in the plane ??? Nothing – he will accuse us of Islamophobia when we say that a moslim blew it up.

    HT think about it ………………and note the WE – this is not a normal journalist

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  • DUDE

    Zia a jumped up jehadi in disguise! ……. he has the traits that all muslims have ..subdued but deadly if unleashed! he will claim that his ‘PEOPLE’ ARE DISCRIMINATED against are all the time!…..how typical of a muslim!

    Zia should write about all the wrongs islam has done against the true iranians, the true indians the aryans and dravidians and then start to wake up and embrace his ancestral religion!

    why dont you explain all the wrongs your people have done 1000 odd years ago?????????
    why dont you bring it to the fore???
    how your people destroyed 1000’s of temples and built mosques on shivas ling?
    how your people did mass genocide worse than hitler! against zoroastrians and hindus, buddists, siks, jains! and jews!

    ZIA go to pakistan go write for MUSLIMSTAN TIMES not HINDUSTAN TIMES………which ever A.S.S. hired YOU NEEDS TO BE SACKED!

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    DUDE Reply:

    ZIA IS

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    DUDE Reply:

    why don’t you go to Pakistan AND write the atrocities that Hindus and other minorities have to go through?????????

    You and your people are hypocrites …….. you may fool some but people are not dumb!

    The day will come when you yes you MR ZIA AKBAR will wake up and convert back to your ancestral religion! and then you will be free from all the hate crimes that you are involved with!

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    DUDE Reply:

    HUMBLE APOLOGIES TO YOU MR ZIA HAQ……..I THINK I WAS BRAINWASHED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS!

    SORRY X

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  • DUDE

    I find it an absolute disgrace that a fine well established newspaper …….known worldwide is even associated with people like ZIA HAQ AKABAR MUSTAQ AL HABIBI WALLA WALLA BING BANG ARAFAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    he is a muslim like all muslims he has terrorist tendencies!

    bet he is funding terrorists with all the money he is earning! gathering his fellow jehadis!

    HT = DISGRACE FOR HIRING PEOPLE LIKE ZIA!

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    Sam Reply:

    Can we do a letter writing campaign, to get similar column for other religions.

    They call me Hindu,
    They call me…

    What should be done, to get this ?

    If HT management rejects this, let us tell them they are partial to Islam by permitting
    They call me Muslim ===column only.

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    DUDE Reply:

    depends………at the mo the whole world is blind to islam and mogol genocides……..yet they all remember the jew persecutions in the holocaust……….

    zoroastrians, jains, hindus, buddists, shintos all need to start teaching their children the teachings of their faiths from early age ……..educate these people!

    this zia is a racist! or should i say the HT is discriminating against all other religions!

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  • Ashish

    @Akash,
    this was not the only blog that I would have asked to visit.. now, this would be one blog I would ask them to stay away from.
    Do you think there is a role the host plays here? By refusing to engage with reasoned dissenting opinion, the host is leaving the field open for malcontents to come in. And, it is convenient for him to dismiss all dissent as coming from the Hindutva right. Ha!
    I do not know if claiming superiority of our ancient culture itself would qualify you as a loony or an idiot. Or even trying to link ancient text to modern conduct of a fringe/ significant minority/ large but “largely silent” majority.. take your pick. Why not accord primacy to logic and let the debate flower?

    I doubt if some of the guys commenting here even understand that they are not taken seriously precisely because they seem to think abuse can win an argument. They do their “cause” if at all it can be dignified by that word, irreparable harm.

    I have enjoyed your battles with SKS and Bobby in equal measure. The success of this blog is in the number of thoughtful commenters it attracts rather than any new ground it breaks in describing either the problem or the solution.
    Why let profanity debase the debate? Why use words you would not use face to face in decent company?

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  • Kishan

    Confused writing.Starts well that the first stage of any investigation is suspicion, but goes on to advise the police not to suspect innocent Muslims. But how does the police know who is guilty and who is innocent? If it was so simple then life would have been much easier and happier.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Ahmer,
    I am getting a feeling that you are getting too judgemental about other people. Everyone has right to express his/her views but it looks like your kind are sermonising others. I don’t have to prove your kind that I am secular or not because you kind of display your balant communalism by showing vulgar hatred for people speaking for hindus.

    As far as Akash is concerned, he started it so don’t questions the relevance of my post. I’d appreciate if your stop giving sermons and please don’t pretend to be secular because your mask has been slipping.

    What is wrong with hindu right wingers if you have no problem with muslim right wingers?
    You guys amaze me everytime with your double standards.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Rajeev @Ahmer

    Ahmer is right that point-counterpoint should be directed towards the specific issue/comments and not a general dump. Rajeev, the Saudi Arabian regime and its treatment of minorities, Pakistani genocide, the “sepaartist” complex of Muslims etc are widely known, and they all should be refererd to in case of specific points. Otherwise, we will not have a healthy discussion/debate.

    With all the issues and problems, (many of them I myself have criticized many times in the past and agreed with you Rajeev), we all have to find a way to make the majority of our Muslim fellow citizens contributors to modern India. 150 million people is a big number. It is easy to say they should go to one of the 55 OIC countries or Pakistan, but very difficult to implement.

    Fortunatrely there are thinking brothers like Ahmer, Syed, Mirza etc who do present an Indian outlook rather than a narrow (or broad may be for Umma believers) religious perspective.

    Patience will win out. Mother India has welcomed and accepted many to its fold. It is “eternal” .

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Gopi,

    Thank you!

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    Sam Reply:

    The questions is what are muslims doing to protest the religious apartheid policies of Saudi ?

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    “Everyone has right to express his/her views but it looks like your kind are sermonising others.”

    Can you really pass off what DUDE has written above and below (please do read those gems) as ‘freedom of speech’? There is also a thing called rhetoric…

    “I don’t have to prove your kind that I am secular or not because you kind of display your balant communalism by showing vulgar hatred for people speaking for hindus.”

    You sure don’t have to… and there is nothing vulgar about what I’m saying… anti-hindu or anti-muslim… right wingers are making a whole mess of this place and other forums… if you claim to have balanced views then atleast show them once in a while to keep things in order.

    “As far as Akash is concerned, he started it so don’t questions the relevance of my post. I’d appreciate if your stop giving sermons and please don’t pretend to be secular because your mask has been slipping.”

    I have no idea how you responded to Akash and what he wrote… not concerned… as for my mask slipping… yea you are right… I’m not secular… I frekkin atheist… a brand apart! :-p

    And all things said and done… is it too much to ask for a little civility?! You get hurt and attack me all over again but could not take the lead and do something about it.

    Sermon over!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    Thanks for finishing the sermon.
    I am all for secularism but it has to be two way street NOW. The hindus have been very tolerant towards Islam (visiting Dargah, me included) but we haven’t seen any reciprocal respect from muslims.
    I have nothing against tolerant muslims (sufis) but somehow deobandis are ruling the roost in Indian muslim community.

    All these hindu right wingers can be neutralised if muslims start working with hindus and build bridge of trust that has been broken repeatedly by muslims till 1947.

    Lastly Atheism is more like a fashion than philolosphy. I do believe in god but not the god of scriptures and that’s why I reject hindu view of god as well as muslim view of Allah.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajiv,

    “I am all for secularism but it has to be two way street NOW.”

    I could not agree more.

    “The hindus have been very tolerant towards Islam (visiting Dargah, me included) but we haven’t seen any reciprocal respect from muslims.”

    I could not disagree more. If you haven’t seen then its not really anyone else’s fault.

    I have muslims in family, friends, their family and friends, work place, had in college (indian and foreigner) and none of them is ‘ruled’ by deoband. They are all super tolerant and respectful and shockingly not even sufi!

    Come on Rajiv, these are clichés.

    “All these hindu right wingers can be neutralised if muslims start working with hindus and build bridge of trust that has been broken repeatedly by muslims till 1947.”

    No they will not… right wing-ism is a psychological state… nuts like these have always been in religion and will always remain. Their power depends on how much importance main stream people like you give them. And as for the bridge of trust thing… it goes both ways between all faiths… not just Hindus and Muslims.

    “Lastly Atheism is more like a fashion than philolosphy”

    Yea… great analysis… thats why I constantly write here taking time out… because its fashionable! :-p

    Rajeev Reply:

    Dude,
    I’ll be tolerant to those who are tolerant to me. You can not force me to accept your ideology.
    Secondly every community has good and bad people the only thing that differs is percentage.

    Ahmer,
    We can agree to disagree however you are ignoring the fact that more and more muslims are leaning towards Wahabbism. Even people in pakistan are worried how middle class muslims are shunning Sufi tradition for Deobandi/Wahabbi ideology. The Islam in India is highly indianised and I prefer it that way but this is changing rapidly. The Indian muslims are identifying for with Pan-Islamism than Indian flavor of Islam.

    As far as ATS is concerned, it is a fact that a mere accusation against Hindus is taken as conviction whereas convictions againsts muslims are termed as conspiracy.

    When 26/11 happened, many muslims in India came up with a theory that Karkare was killed by Hindu rightwingers despite the testimony by Kasab and policemen involved in that Episode.
    The 26/11 muslim terrorists tried to fool the world by displaying ‘Kalava’ (sacred thread tied after yajna) on their wrist. The self-styled military expert across the border especially Zaid Hamid, claimed that actual name of terrorist caught was ‘HIRALAL’ :)
    So there is precedent available to show that muslims are doing terror act in the guise of Hindus and vice versa. I personally feel that 26/11 was conducted by pak to avenge Samjhauta blast.
    These may be ***-for-tat terror acts.

    Sam Reply:

    Can someone start a movement to tell Hindus to stop visiting Dargah’s

    The money they donate in dargah’s can be used against hindus.
    what if that money is channelized to islamic Ghazi’s to kill the kuffars ?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sam,
    Sufis are peaceful people. They are considered enemies by mainstream deobandis.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Please my reply to DUDE…I urged him to stop his propaganda.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    I saw! Thank you! :-)

    DUDE Reply:

    THERE is no propaganda!

    it is people like you mr rajeev that allowed iran and india to be hospitable to jehadi crusaders! only for them to create mass genocide, to the state that these countries arre in!

    so please stop your generous tolerance! and wake up……………..stop supporting jehadis, innocent mulsims or not! they all need to leave or be converted back to their ancestral religion!

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    Sorry, I wrote Rajiv in the last one. My mistake.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Ahmer,
    I’d like views of muslims or atheists on what I posted before-
    ‘What I find strange about muslim and akash kind of people is that when police (ATS) catches muslims involved in terror, they ask for proof and question integrity of police but when same ATS remotely pointes towards Hindus involved in terror, muslims lap it up as gospel truth (Zia included) and start a drumbeat about so called hindu terror. They infact start using these ATS accusations against hindus as facts and use it in every debate (Teesta Mujahid Setalvad, Her son Junaid calls her Mujahid).’

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    Well for one thing I’m mighty glad that the ATS is finally doing a more through job. And there is no lapping up bias for me. When the police used to catch some random guy and parade him in front of the media as a terrorist (or worse murder him in an ‘encounter’) we still used to lap it up. What else was the public doing? We believed them and they betrayed our trust. Even you have to be a little suspicious of an unprofessional police force.

    “and start a drumbeat about so called hindu terror”

    It is unfortunately Hindu terror… muslims took forever to accept that in their case… lets not make the same mistake again.

    “They infact start using these ATS accusations against hindus as facts and use it in every debate”

    Well those accusations are not convictions but factually they are accurate if described as accusations. And I only use them against such gems as “Not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims”… “why only muslims are terrorists”… “all terrorists are muslims” etc. etc.
    Why not see both sides of the picture?! I also point out to the crusades and the Holy Roman Empire when right wing Christians make statements. And if right wing muslims talk too much then there is a whole wealth of stuff to point out to now isn’t there?!?!

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    DUDE Reply:

    Learn history ahmer! then you will know why people dont see both sides of the picture

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ DUDE…

    No one really ‘learns’ history. They study it and ‘learn from it’.

    DUDE Reply:

    @Ahmer…

    you watching the world cup?

    or the champions league final?

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ DUDE

    I’ll follow the world cup… don’t follow football much otherwise. Why do you ask?

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    DUDE Reply:

    Coz greatest footballing prize is up for grabs this weekend…….

    champions league final!

    awesome………..

    Rahmath Reply:

    ZIa,

    Today in TV , i saw a protest in which the slogan was “All muslim countries unite to ban facebook”(beacause of the prophet’s carnicature issue).I was disgusted , i didnot see more.Recently a fatwa against women working was issued.Cant you write somethign about it.Hopfully against it.Is it any wonder our hindu counterparts hold us in contempt.There are so many issues we have to face , and the protest is against baning facebook.by the way i dont have an account in facebook and am not a fan.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Rahmath

    You are absolutely correct. The larger issues of development, training, education, health etc (of Muslims) are ignored by these Mullahs who focus exclusively on dragging all of you backward.

    So, they want to ban Facebook. It is the “connection/contact” mechanism for millions of people. New ideas come from connecting. From a pure commercial perspective, we know that many youngsters (and am sure people of my age too) write facebook applications and make tons of money. Mullahs do not want a Muslim boy developing facebook programs!

    And what do these demonstrators think? That they are in a banana republic like Pakistan? Is it even “Quranic” to protest and ban something lieke facebook which majority likes and uses and one that does not do any physical or mental harm?

    This will feed our Rajivs! I can just imagine.

    BTW I cannot read the first 184 comments… anybody else experiencing this problem?

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Gopi
    in all fairness, our great northern neighbour routinely does these things .. banning Facebook for an action deemed insulting to the prophet vs requiring that no mention of Tiananmen square turns up in search results.. spot any difference?
    Yes, I can’t read the first 194 comments either.. perhaps it is the long awaited drive to sanitize this blog

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ashish,
    Which Rajiv are you talking about? So much for the sermon you gave on not to attack people.
    Pl. practice what you preach. You are trying to be LIBERAL but it is all very fake.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    Er…. I gave the sermon and I didn’t attack here… Neither did Ashish…

    @ Gopi,

    We have seemed to reach an agreement not to attack each other like crazy anymore so lets keep that spirit up and not pre-emptively blame Rajeev. Also, I was able to see the older comments earlier (via the ‘Older Comments’ link) but not anymore.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Count me in. I am going to go after ideology and not the person.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Count me out till I fix Akash.
    She needs me.

    Ashish Reply:

    Hi Rahmath,
    there are “jobless” people everywhere.. and it is so easy to rent a crowd in this country.. I doubt anyone in that crowd even knows what FB is. I would not worry about it.
    Actually, compared to the last Danish cartoons episode, the reaction has been pretty muted except in Pakistan where they are driven by their desire to prove their superiority as Muslims (ahead of all other Muslim countries).
    I have been to the offending website and yes, it is in bad taste. Should such a thing be permitted? In my view, yes. Should those that find it offensive protest? Why not? If the protest is peaceful and does not preach violence.
    The best answer to provocations is to ignore. There is a network effect of protests and counter-protests which can spiral out of control.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Ashish @Rahmath

    Sadanand Dhumme has an excellent column on why Pakistan (among all IsSlamic countries) is the hub of Islamic extremism and central driver of IMuslim terrorism. He did an op-ed in Walll Street journal on May 5th or 6th; it is on nhis website. An excellent and reconcilable analysis.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Gopi,
    Yes, I read that on the WSJ site; it seemed to have been (just a suspicion, mind) edited .. the post ends a little abruptly.

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Ashish.

    Ya we normal people do ignore these things , but is it not one of the complaints that why educated muslims dont protest against the actions of some other insensible people.If at all they are protesting , they could have done it for something worthwhile.

    but the funny thing is , i dont think even the prophet would have cared for all this.if he had, i doubt he would have been a leader.(well …he was…i dont know what kind …but he was),Pity not everyone realises that.

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ ashish….sorry for the late reply

    Ashish Reply:

    @Rahmath
    I can easily see why this campaign page is offensive (I will NOT quote from the page just to add to the “titillation factor”). But, see this recent cartoon published in South Africa where the Prophet is seen commenting that “my followers do not have a sense of humour”.

    Has anyone of those issuing death threats and threatening to disrupt the WC next month, even understand that the joke is not on the Prophet; it is on them and on the same sort of behaviour that earns them a bad name?
    I am not surprised at anything that happens in Pakistan any more. They have banned pillion riding too; go figure. But, this reaction to something as well-meant as the SA cartoon is really saddening.

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Ashish….
    so so true

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Ashish

    I saw a sensible voice atlast…wanted to share with you…

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/21/naseem-mahdi-muhammad-cartoons-controversy-facebook-draw-bait/

    Rahmath Reply:

    P:S: i dont agree with the author on the intention of the cartoon though….the rest of the part on advicing muslims is good

    Sam Reply:

    some comments from foxnews website..

    I think Mr. Mahdi is being disingenuous. Mohammad clearly had many many people killed who had mocked him. He had Al-Nadr bin al-Harith executed in 624 for interrupting him and harassing him while preaching. He had Uqba bin Abu Muayt for writing insulting verses about him in 624. He had Asma bint Marwan killed for writing disparaging poetic verses about him. He had Kab bin al-Ashraf murdered for insulting him. He also had Ibn Sunayna murdered. He had a poor one-eyed Bedouin murdered, he had many many others murdered for mocking him, too. Murdering those who make fun of MOhammad or mock Mohammad is SUNNA, in Islam. It’s perfectly permissible, Mr. Mahdi– as you must know if you are familiar with your doctrine including the hadiths. Look up an article called “Muhammad’s Dead Poets Society: The assassinations of satirical poets in early Islam” by James M. Arlandson. He goes into depth about all the people we know about who Mohammad had murdered just for mocking him. This has been going on for 1400 years. It’s nothing knew and it’s part of Islam.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Ashish @Rahmath

    Pakistan is I think “beyond redemption”. What Zia Haq started 25 years ago is reaching a natural end. Obviously, the “cleansing” started with Zulfiker, by delisting Ahamadiyas,and then destroying them slowly. Recently, as apart of all the internecine violence, there has been an organized attack on Sufi dargahs in the Sindh region. No music and singing to please God. Wahabis ahve openly said music is sin.

    And I laugh when the western media makes Mrs Bhutto look like Gandhi! Mrs bhutto started the Islamization of ISI and the KAshmir attacks. While there was tension with Pakistan, Kashmir was violence free with tourists flocking. The whole KAshmir terrorism started with mrs Bhutto.

    I recently read (in Dawn) that the college educated middle and high class youngsters are now preaching the exclusive Islamization as a path for Pakistan’s salvation.

    Sam Reply:

    If some muslims do not want Facebook, let them do it.
    If muslim woman are not permitted by religion, let the religious muslim woman follow the fatwa.

    If some muslim woman is prevented from her desire to work, then the country/police/society should provide protection to her.

    If people do not want to make their and their family life better, the do not complain that their income is low, they are poor, they need state subsidy…

    in that case, they just want to get the Dhimmi’s money transferred to them so that they can be lazy baby making machines, while other religious people are working hard to feed those low lifes.

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    humanityfirst Reply:

    Very true! The more Muslims- the more poverty, filth, crime, rapes, arson, suicide attacks, prostitution, murders……..the list is endless.

    DUDE Reply:

    PEOPLE i would like to apologise to all faiths……… for being blunt and to express what many feel…………………………………

    Sorry to the viewers and bloggers, and sorry to mr zia haq!

    please learn history…….before discriminating and leanr how islam jehadis carried out mass genocide 1000 years ago in iran and india…………..and please all muslims wake up and convert back to your ancestral religion!

    …….. embrace it……….

    anyways sorry if people found it offensive ……………humble apologies

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    Ahmer Reply:

    Yaaaeee! :-)

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    Sam Reply:

    Dude,
    You have to give reasons for people to leave islam.
    You have convince them and persuade them.

    it is not like 1000 yrs back, where people have used sword to do that.
    Your only option is being welcoming them.

    check out
    http://www.refugefromislam.com

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    DUDE Reply:

    I’ve given plenty or reasons…………..

    the site looks amateurish

    Sam Reply:

    Can you make your own site and put those reasons..

    Rahmath Reply:

    what are your reasons….most of your comments on muslims seems to be taken from some movie…you give two reasons..opression against women…etc etc……

    DUDE Reply:

    ONLY IF WHOLE OF INDIA WOKE UP THEN IT IS WORTH IT!

    DUDE Reply:

    Rahmath……….ill cook for you some nice pizza x

    Sam Reply:

    Not just reason, you have provide a refuge.

    because as per Koran, anyone who leaves islam can be killed.

    So lot of muslims are afraid to live and are living with that religion in fear and shame.

    What do the laws in india say, if a muslim wants to convert out of islam ?

    Can anyone clarify

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Sam,
    visited the site….its not leave islam site…its join christianity site…..you dissapointed me…

    DUDE Reply:

    stop insulting people!

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ dude,
    thanks for offerrig to cook pizza, but sorry i like only good traditinal indian food.

    DUDE Reply:

    AND WHAT WOULD THAT BE?

    indian food f the true natives? or the muslim foods?

    DUDE Reply:

    how about pasta?

    or a jacket potato?

    Rahmath Reply:

    true natives….you make me laugh….as if there are any of those anymore in this so called civilsed place.Just becasue you asked.I love idiyappam and maasi kolumb.Ever heard of it…native of my village.so dont google it…you may get idiyappam….no chance on maasi kolumb though.

    DUDE Reply:

    lol…….

    i hope to try it one day

    Sam Reply:

    follow the links and look at the website mentioned there.
    (not that you care, but i know you will read if for defending islam even more and useful for your debate..)

    Rahmath Reply:

    sam sam sam…as if i need anything to help me defend islam against you.My college friends used to bring better relevant points which made me think more than you do.And that site is a join christianity site.I did check out the links.When we want someone to convert we obivously abuse thier religions.There are many antimuslim sites, you can put that link here.Wonder why you put a christian site….sam????

    humanityfirst Reply:

    Go to faithfreedom.com.

    pimt Reply:

    RAM KILLED RAVAN BECAUSE RAVAN KEEP CONTINUE ******* AND KSSING SITA BEAUTIFUL *****, WHILE RAM BECAME A FIRST HINDU TERRORIST. FROM THERE HINDU TERRORISM STARTED. TODAY GENERATION IN HINDUISM NOT FROM RAM IT IS RAVAN GENERATION THAT IS WHY WHEN EVER ANY BODY FROM HINDU COMMUNITY SPEAK SUCH AS PARVIN TOGADIYA OR BAL THAKRE SO THERE IS NO SURPRISE BECAUSE IT IS RAVAN GENERATION. NATHU RAM GODSE KILLED MAHATMA GANDHI , HE WAS THE FIRST HINDU TERRORIST AFTER 15 AUGUST 1947. IT IS GOOD TO SEE THE TRADITION STARTED FROM RAM AND STILL CONTINUE. HIDU & JEWS CLAIMS THAT THEY ARE BEST IN THE WORLD. IT IS TRUE IN MANY WAYS. JEWS AND HINDU AHS MANY SIMILARITIES. JEWS TAKE INTEREST, HINDU THE SAME. JEWS TAKE BRIBES , HINDU DO THE SAME. JEWS KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE, HINDU DO THE SAME. JEWS CAME FROM EUROPE IN MIDDLE EAST, HINDU CAME FROM SRI LANKA AND FROM MONGOLIA. INDIA WAS NOT A COUNTRY OF HINDU AT ALL. THEY WERE THROWN OUT FROM CHINESE TERRITORY.

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    humanityfirst Reply:

    This rant above shows all of us the illogical, schizophrenic and distorted mindset of all Muslims. This is what they are fed from childhood- intense hatred for all non-Muslims and utter falsification of facts, which leads to a contorted picture of the world in their rotten brains. Any wonder then that all Muslims are either terrorists or terrorist sympathisers?

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    humanityfirst Reply:

    Usurping others’ lands and properties and calling them their own is the trademark of Islam and the followers of this bandit cult. Throughout their 1400 yr.-old history they have destroyed much more than they have contributed to humanity, be it others’ worship places (Somnath, Babri, Constantinople, Cordoba mosque in Spain which was a cathedral originally), universities and libraries (Nalanda, Taxila) and other symbols of civilisation (Twin Towers). Ditto with Palestine. Their operating motto is- ” Any Muslims lived here, ever, even by chance? OK, then this land belongs to Islam. Let’s persecute and drive out all Kafirs and take it. No Muslims lived here? OK, then this land is unholy. Let’s seize this land by Jihad and kill all others.” What a satanic cult!

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  • S Singh

    Is this the “revivalism” (or “revisionism”) within Islam that Zia wrote about a couple of weeks ago?

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  • ramesh

    Why this fixation with their religion,why this notion that only they have the devine sanction of the allmighty and why this unrealistic quest to turn the world muslim.Why isnt religion apersonal aspect,why isnt it tolerant and peaceful.The almighty has shown diversity in his creation, is this not amessage in itself.He could have made everything similar and then there would not have been any problem.It is very clear that he wanted is creation to be like this beauty in diversity.He would not leave any thing for us to do for him.

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  • Vinod

    We all need to stop being scared of comments made on the plane unless otherwise we have a soild reason to accuse someone. We all need to stop being who we are for example Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, we all need to become Indian Period. We need to introduce overselves as Indian not with any religious sect. We all need to be proud of being Indian. In US no one introduces themselves as their religious affiliation they all introduce them selves with their name and how proud they are to be American. We are the nation of people who have survived every difficulty to reach to top why not be called Proud Indian.

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    Rahmath Reply:

    fist of all, nation should remove the caste and religion column in all official forms

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Rahmath

    Amen! Wouldn’t it be nice? But, i do not think it will happen in my lifetime or your lifetime or our children’s lifetime. Politics has polluted our civic discourse. May be economic progress will level off some of these things. It is happening in Bangalore and other cities; our kids are choosing their partners without thinking about caste or religion (but i should say, still a long way to go for Muslims – I see lot of intercaste and inter religious (not much Muslim/others) marriages in Bngalore. Trend is good/

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    Rahmath Reply:

    i assure you….its happening in muslim community too….yours truly included…

    Sam Reply:

    muslims should be banned from marrying outside their religion, until they lift the prohibition that muslim woman has freedom of choice..

  • Sam

    For all those defenders of Hussain, the artist.

    Today is Everybody draw a Muhammad day.

    Please find the details on the web and all the defenders of free thought and free speech, spread the word..

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    DUDE Reply:

    lol..

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    Akash Reply:

    Sam,
    Though we hardly see eye to eye on any issue, but I should say I am with you on this one. Step up on the plate boys, especially Rajeev and DUDE, with their real facebook profiles. Let’s see if you can put your money where your mouth is.

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    Sam Reply:

    I am not a defender of Hussian, “the painter of nude erotic Hindus symbols”..

    It is time for those defenders to step up and show that they are not going to offend just one religion.
    they are not partial towards other religions like islam.

    Show your true colours…come on…

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    Dusty Jasad Reply:

    Modern Zionism was born as a direct response to modern anti Semitism, the Jew tried their best to assimilate themselves in European societies but all their efforts were rejected by the diehard right wing nationalist/fascists groups. Adolf Hitler (Bal Thackeray’s hero) found an ingenious solution to the problem, he sent six million Jews to the gas chambers. The rest as they say is history…..there are about 130 million Muslims in India, their situation is some what similar to the situation of Jew in Europe pre-world war two. Will the Muslims of India be sent to the gas chambers or will there be more of what happened in Mumbai on 26/11? Let us wait and see what happens…….

    Sam Reply:

    Read about statements from Hamas and Hizbollah.
    They say that they are happy that most of the jews are in israel, so that they do not hunt them down all over the world.

    it makes their job easier.. as per their statements.
    The mufti of Jerusalem worked with Hitler and
    Mein kampf is most popular in Palestine, Egypt, Syria…in arab translations
    their hero is hitler and are eager to commit a second holocaust.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Lets all work towards preserving life and love.. Nobody wants the peace of a cemetary. It is high time Muslims of india break away from their Umma concept and focus on india. India is their home, not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. It is time for them to stop whining and be productive citizens . Others should support this. There is no other viable alternative; We can say deport, kill, go to OIC etc, none of this practical; plus although many are misguided (and “lost”(, they too are the children of india.

    Sam Reply:

    Why is it not practical to encourage muslims to follow the acts their leader did.
    create a country and move to that country.

    89% of muslim seats went to Jinnah, supporting two nation theory.
    Jinnah moved, but unfortunately india is stuck with those muslims who voted, but do not want to move.

    Govt can encourage, by giving them money to move to their Ummah and islamic holy land.
    That will be better for them, instead of living with Kuffars and constantly comprising their religious teachings/laws from Koran.

    It can be a win-win for both muslims and other indians.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Sam,

    “89% of muslim seats went to Jinnah, supporting two nation theory.
    Jinnah moved, but unfortunately india is stuck with those muslims who voted, but do not want to move.”

    You are still confusing 89% seats and votes of actual voters with the 89% of total Muslim population in India in 1940s. And besides, partition was one of the biggest mass migrations and transfer of populations in the history of the planet… it wouldn’t be if muslims who voted did not move there and hindus who wanted India did not come here.

    You make it sound like only Jinnah and a handful of people left and so the many who stayed behind actually wanted Pakistan. Thats speculation at its best.

    Sam Reply:

    Ahmer,
    you are the one trying to obfuscate my statements.
    It is simple.

    Everyone who voted for Jinnah’s two nation theory, should have morally and physically followed him.

    Simple.

    Wouldnt they be happy to live in an Islamic Republic ?
    Why shouldnt India help achieve their dreams ?

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    “Everyone who voted for Jinnah’s two nation theory, should have morally and physically followed him.”

    THEY DID! They went… they are gone.. the rest didn’t want to go… or vote for it… or do whatever it was Jinnnah was trying to achieve.

    Its that simple. Get over it.

    Sam Reply:

    There is a still a large section which in their bottom of their hearts do not want to live with Kuffars.

    for those people who do not like to live in a secular society where islam does not get special privileges (in law, haj, marriage, conversion..)

    they should be encouraged to leave.
    It is only fair for others, to live their secular lives without constant accusations by powerful muslim groups.. and religious jihad..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    The muslims used to regularly migrate to Pakistan till 1965 and even till 1971 but defeat of pakistan by India in 1971 made muslims realise it is better in India.

    There is a pakistani film called Bedari..Just watch that movie.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    “they should be encouraged to leave.”

    We can’t force people to do anything… if they want to leave… they’ll find a way (and that goes for everyone – students, migrants, other citizens).

    @ Rajeev,

    “The muslims used to regularly migrate to Pakistan till 1965 and even till 1971 but defeat of pakistan by India in 1971 made muslims realise it is better in India.”

    Okay… generalised statement again… atleast three cousin uncles in the extended family came back to India in the 50s because they realised it was just plain stupid to go there in the first place. There home was here and that was all that mattered.

    “There is a pakistani film called Bedari..Just watch that movie.”

    Really?! You form opinions from films?!

    I am in the writing and television and movie business… we construct every frame… nothing is real. Enjoy them… let them even influence you… but please don’t take it as fact! Even the ones based on true stories we mash up with fiction!

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    “There is a still a large section which in their bottom of their hearts do not want to live with Kuffars.”

    No there isn’t!

    And its ‘Kafir’ in Hindustani… what language is Kuffar?

    Akash Reply:

    Gopi,
    Where are the Muslims in India demanding to be a part of Ummah or whatever? That is just uncalled for patronizing.

    Sam,
    Get a girlfriend.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sam,
    Ask Akash for a date..she is ever willing to go on dates..

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev,
    don’t be jealous. We know that you have a hard time choosing who to go on a date with: male or female, because — you belong to the neuter gender.. :)
    It’s ok. You can still have a fulfilling life.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    I’m not jealous..I want to give you a chance. Let’s meet.
    I want you to have fulfilling life.
    Address please?

    Lagta hai phat gayi madam ki.. ;)

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev fatichar,
    Yaar kya “let’s meet” “let’s meet” tote ki tarah rat raha hai. What will I do with you. We all know that the only thing you can do well is to clap and say ‘hai hai’.
    Mera to pata nahin lekin teri to aise fat gayi hai ki aab silne ke kabil bhi nahin rahi. Isliye tu aaj se fatichar ke naam se jana jayega…

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash Laundiya,
    Dar gaya beta..Let’s meet. Tere se taali bajwa bajwa ke bheekh mangwaoonga..

    Akash ki phat gayi..Chal hawa aane de..dilli ke sadakchhap.

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev,
    “Tere se taali bajwa bajwa ke bheekh mangwaoonga”…
    Hmm…so this is your much vaunted family profession? I see. If we happen to meet(very improbable) remind me to drop a few coins in your katora.

    Pappu abhi tu baccha hai. badoon se is tarah nahin baat karte. Apna ghaghra sambhal, kahin koi piche se na maar jaye..

    Rajeev Reply:

    I want you to accept me as your master. Tereko apni rakhail banaoonga..saare jahan mein taali bajwaaoonga..chinaal.

    Bete, tu dilli ka chutiya hai..tere jaise kai chootiyo ko maine college mein dekha hai..Gand*u apni panty pehne rahe..teri to phuddi aage-peeche sab jagah se mari jayegi..Gahde ki gaan*d.

    Apna address de meri jaan..apne lu*nd pe bithal ke dilli dikhaoonga..

    Akash Reply:

    Arre arre mere munne itna gussa nahin karte..
    chi chi kaise language ka istemaal kar raha hai..Hmm..looks like common words used in your family..

    “apne lu*nd pe bithal ke dilli dikhaoonga..”
    Itna takleef mat de mere yaar. apni begum ko sambhal pehle..I know you are jealous because of certain deficiencies..As I said before, don’t use sande ka tel..It won’t help..Woh kahawat suna hai na: “doosri ki lungi mein l*nd jyada bada dikhta hai”..It happens. Don’t spoil your wife and your life by being so anxious..go to a reputed doctor..not to some “khandani shafakhana”..hmm..now I understand why you are so much against Muslims..Lagta hai Shafakhana mein tera ekdum saaf hi kar diya…

    Aur agar chahega bhi to yaar kaise karega tu. Tujhe to bhagwan ne hi addha bana ke bheja hai..50-50..aur ab to tune apna khandaani pesha bhi bata diya..arre kaise koi rishwat dega tere family ko..Kuch dene ko hai hi nahin unke paas.. hehe..

    Aur lambi g**nd, address to mera Bihar ka hai..aane ka naam mat lena..Tere jaise fattu se chappal se baat kartein hain wahan..acche acchon ki fat leti hai..tu to piddu hai..ja jake apna naak ponch..

    apna pichwara sambhal..Lagta hai marwane ki aadat pad gayi hai tujhe..

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ gopi
    “they too are the children of india”

    ****clap*** clap ***clap****

    I dont know why that one sentence made me so happy….maybe its because of the normal comment about indian muslims in this site……

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Rahmat

    not all. Many bring up the right questions and frustartions. As you know, Muslims ahve to be in the mainstream integrated with the society. U know in ur own homestate, how Christians have taken leadership and still admired by all. While there may be selfish motives, they accomplished it througfh selfless service, high education etc..India accepts everybody. Muslims have to eb in the maisntream.,Hipefully you and Mirza and Syed etc can lead!

    Sam Reply:

    Not everyone can accept your opinions on a philosophical basis.

    For those who do not agree philosophically with you,
    and if they are unhappy living with Kuffars ..
    they should be encouraged to migrate to Pakistan and other ummah countries where they can live according to Koran.

    It is only fair for the rest of the people who want to have a secular life..and not constantly be accused of religious discrimation (even after giving extra rights and money for muslims only)..

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Sam…

    hahaha….

    Akash Reply:

    Rahmath,
    Leave the clapping for Rajeev. He does that for living, doing it at weddings and mundan ceremonies.
    :)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Rahmath,
    You see Akash is already clapping..She is good :)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    I’d appreciate if you stop acting like a jerk.
    I guess, you are new to net thus such uncontrolled enthu..

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    Akash Reply:

    “Barking dogs never bite”

    Start with your facebook profile, Rajeev. I promise I will stand with you on this one.

    Rajeev Reply:

    But barking ******* do bite..You are proving to be my *****.

    Give me your address..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    How about we meeting somewhere? Are you in US?
    We can resolve our differences in person.

  • JC Moola

    The musilm society as a whole breeds, fosters, generates germs of genocide. When the reaction comes back to te perpetrators and breeders of genocide ie the society as a whole, people like Teesta Setalvaad, Burkha Dutt, Vir Sanghvi, Digvijay Singh, The Gandhis who are pseudo Muslims, hiding behind a non Muslim name start to cry crocodile tears and whip emotions

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    DUDE Reply:

    yes I find it obsurd to why the non mulsim earth bends over backwards tip toeing on egg shells to try and not offend islam ………..

    when islam it self blatently does as it pleases infront of all to see

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    Sam Reply:

    Muslims are free to offend everyone else and call other false prophets or false religions.

    but if others even dare to say that, Koran gives them a right to kill such blasphemous person.

    world is sick of this double standards and stupidity of islam.

    the sooner the world stops these double standards, the sooner there will be peace.
    the violence of islam comes from this sense of superiority and their muslim god given right..

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  • shan

    A simple request to all blog readers. Can you please suggest ways and means to prevent a suicide bomber , shoe bomber, hijacker with a hidden knife, boardinf a plane. Just give a detached objective answer as if you are from mars and nothing to do with planet earth and all its backwardness like religion and nationanality. I dont think one will have many options other than recommending religious(racial) profiling, agter having gone through the data regarding terrori

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    Sam Reply:

    Just like Mecca & Medina does not allow Kuffars, for fear of making that place impure..

    do not allow muslims until they change their verses in Koran, which justify killing Kuffars.
    (or atleast, every scholar should say those verses are not relevant).

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    DUDE Reply:

    god no …. if those versus are not relevant .then the whole book isn’t relevant!

    god forbids the truth when it comes innto question with taht book

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    Rahmath Reply:

    Boss i know of so many temples which dont allow people of other religion to enter…forget religion they dont allow even people of lower castes to enter.AS you said…..or dude said….dont throw stones from a glass house.Incase you odnt know,there is a very faous temple…Guruvayur temple in Kerala.Ofcourse i dont care but you should know it is both ways

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    DUDE Reply:

    GOOD!

    it aint both ways! ……. why the hell would you wanna visit a mosque anyway?

    don’t try and justify the mass genocide and conversions by the sword of a 1000 years of oppression by muslims on innocent persians and indians!

    learn your history 1st! …..

    ps i dont throw stones

    Sam Reply:

    Mecca /Medina is not just mosques.
    They are cities, that is the difference.
    read your own koran, which shows Jewish people lived there, before Mo showed up with vitriolic verses and banished those people.

    your comparison does not stand scrutiny

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Sam @ Dude

    Historical incidents (or injustices) cannot be turned around. It does not make any sense in scrutinizing what somebody dis 20000 years ago– because nobody really knows. It is alright in comparing todays things and critiquing. none of us was there when Mo was leading his people to war or salvation.

    So, I take Rahmat argument here.

    Listen, many chose Islam without any compulsion. The early west coast/south coast migration of Muslims (to Cranganore/Kizhur port city in the old Travancore coast) was quite natural, and no force involved unlike the later Lodhis and Gauris and Gazanis and later Moguls.

    DUDE Reply:

    @ ALUU GOPI T

    SO like a natural bend over chump you wanna let islam off the hook……….turn the other cheek, while islam today causes so much terror?

    you make me laugh!

    the moguls and islamic crusaders 1000 to 1200 years ago DID CONVERT INNOCENT pesrians and indians into islam! by FORCE! AND this is where the masses were created! the masses of blind faith islamites you see in the indian subcontinent is a direct result of the forced conversions here.,………………not the cranganore/kizhur balls you mentioned

    gandhi did his best to free us………..but the real freedom comes when the lands and its true people are united back to one………….

    very hard to see due to the NEW WORLD ORDER thats is taking place unknown to the masses …by the elite nations…………via thier divide and rule policy……….example of this is the break up of india via mount batam………………

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    syed Reply:

    @Shan,
    Don’t wear anything on the plane!

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    shan Reply:

    Blimey, what a majestic idea , solving the hijab problem as well as terrorist threat as well as non discriminatory!!, and save so much time and money by making all the security staff redundant , the air fare will drop , air travel will grow like hell and that may be a problem to keep up the demand.

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    DUDE Reply:

    lol they should all go naked………..

    that way people get to see some eye candy for the beaches and well laugh at the chopped penises

    ………….

    or simply get those body detectors from high profile airports

  • Raju Kurien

    Any terrorism suspect should be viewed as 100% terrorist until things are sorted out rather than “innocent until proven guilty”.

    Look at the recent arrests in Pakistan in connection with the New York bombing/Faizal. 6 rich kids and an army major are arrested..and one guy, a hotel management graduate from a US college, is a catering company owner (catering to US embassy in Islamabad)!

    Pakistanis/Muslims (okok not all) are against India, US, and any successful democracy. Muslims just do not get it……they rather have their virgins in heaven than on earth..

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Raju sadly you guys have no virgins left. They all loose their virginity before they finish college.

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    Akash Reply:

    Aren’t you jealous Azhar. :)

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    Sam Reply:

    it is better than an islamic idiotic raping a 9 yr old girl..
    and sleeping with a woman whose husband, father brother is killed. on the same day..

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Sam

    Cool down! There is no need for “defending” against a demeaned , nihilistic, backward, repressive, depressive set….

    Once you start picking on founders/people who are widely followed and respected, it ends in name calling

    Sam Reply:

    my statements could include any follower of islam, and do not explicitly talk about a specific person.

    DUDE Reply:

    i know who that 9 year old raper is ……… the girl in question is lil Aisha …………..

    some prophet married her when she was 6 and he was 52

    ……….ill say no more…………….

    peace to all faiths

    humanityfirst Reply:

    The only religion that has been founded by a subhuman, perverted, rapist, pedophilic, mass murderer and bandit personality is Islam. No wonder it is the vilest and basest of all cults.

  • Rahmath

    @ dude…

    i thought you guys were complaining that mecca was not allowed topeople of other faith.if you anyhow dont want to enter it then it only means you are creating unnecessary problem.Do you even know anything about issues tormenting india.any idea about the genocide you are talking.Sure you didnot get it from some hollywood movie.Any idea about what happened 1000 years ago.go back 10000 years and history shows something else.please dont talk about mecca being a pagan temple.I dont care if it was, and i dont care if you go there and break it to pieces.talk about relevant matters that is ,if you know anything about it.

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    Sam Reply:

    Mecca and Medina were occupied by islam.
    the original inhabitants of that place like Jewish and peaceful pre-islam arabs are shut out.

    they cannot even visit, which were originally theirs.

    Can islam allow them to visit their descendants ?

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    Dusty Jasad Reply:

    Yes, Mr. Sam you talk sense, Europe, Australia, American, etc.. Were occupied by Christianity, India, Nepal and some parts of the Far East were occupied by Hinduism. All of Arabia, Central Asia, Pakistan, etc were occupied by Islam. It is time the United Nation Organization sit down and they pass a resulation to return all these areas occupied by Christianity, Hinduism and Islam back to the original inhabitants

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    Sam Reply:

    i dont think you have spent time in coming with this response.
    If so, you will see what is wrong in your own words..

    DUDE Reply:

    pakistan, afghanistan, bangladesh was all india! belonged to the hindu, jain, and buddist ways!

    its about time these fake worshippers of embraced their ancestral religion to convert back and become free…….

    wake up!..

    Rahmath Reply:

    Mecca was built by Abhraham my dear sam.

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    Sam Reply:

    Jewish and pre-islam arabs let Mohd stay and practice his religion.
    But once Mo gains power he banishes them, as they are impure..

    this is exactly the replica islamists follow.
    The host societies (usually non-islamic) let them practice islam peacefully.
    islamists pick a fight, and if they win banish their host
    or even exterminate and then come up with funny revelations.
    after killing the host male members, sleep with their woman the same night.

    now the land becomes muslim holy land and claimed for islam exclusively.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mecca was Pagan and Kaaba was Pagan temple. All this stories of Abraham are pure non-sense.

    syed Reply:

    @Rahmath
    And yes, if you are upto it, Muir had written an earlier book – The life of Mohammad which is also available on the internet. All of Muir’s references are from islamic sources. My aunt had got me a copy from the AMU, Aligarh library so you can be quite sure it is authentic.

    DUDE Reply:

    iran needs to convert back to zoroastrainism………..get all these mullahs back to arabia………

    convert back to your ancestral religions

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    DUDE Reply:

    MR Rahmathh………..

    learn history please! islam has insulted the ancient persian and indian religions with full vulgur force….by mass genocide!

    this one rule for them and one rule for rest is balls!

    islam needs to accept its faults and pay its dues!

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    Rahmath Reply:

    Dear dude…
    Preassumption seems to be there in every thought of yours….its Ms.Rahmath…I have had enough of history in my school days though and dont intend to learn from some unreliable source…Thanks for your snippets of “facts” though.

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    DUDE Reply:

    Apologies Ms Rahmath……………..

    these sources are not unreliable ..they are facts……………

    funny how islamic people always demand facts………… when the truth is in their face……..

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    syed Reply:

    @Rahmath
    What Dude says about Iran is true.

    There is an interesting book on on the caliphate – the caliphate, rise decline and fall by William Muir which is also available on the net. You should read it..

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Syed
    I am sure it is true.But it is silly to expect me to feel guilty for what some political power is respo siblefor na.

    I will read the book.Wanted to read something interesting.Have read once about arab rule after muhammed.That day in understood,everything is politics.isit not.I got a wonderful link today.Pasting it here, hope you will like it.Itssomething light, but nice

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1lje8S/www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/how-my-six-year-old-boy

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ dude,

    Dude, when we say 80% nonsense and 20% sense, 80% loses its value….my apologies too.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Rahmath,
    thanks a lot for this link; I shall give this the widest publicity and since charity must begin at home, my daughter will read it first!

    syed Reply:

    syed Reply:
    May 25th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    @Rahmath
    And yes, if you are upto it, Muir had written an earlier book – The life of Mohammad which is also available on the internet. All of Muir’s references are from islamic sources. My aunt had got me a copy from the AMU, Aligarh library so you can be quite sure it is authentic.

    Rahmath Reply:

    @ Syed
    Both are available online,i was starting to read the second one.Which would you recommend for me to read first?????

    syed Reply:

    @Rahmath,
    Start with Life of Mohammad as it is chronologically the first.

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  • S Singh

    Well, it looks like the subject of Islamic Terrorism, related arrest, police behaviour, biased and threatening journalism etc is of enormous interest to the readers (based on the feedback in one week).

    as we point to the perpetrators (or the “likely” perpetrators), we should also examine and be critical of our government bureaucracy and a lack of focus and determination. US, after 9/11, was totally focused on security enhancements (may be too much ). It is high time our elected misnisters and the administrative bureaucracy consider each individual’ citizen’s life the most important and develop and administer appropriate plans. We should demnad that responsibilitya nd accountability from them

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  • ramesh

    For the air travel problem we should create an Islamic airline [ like the islamic finance and the halal stuff ] All muslims can travel without the hassle of body scanning,screening and any other inconvenience and can behave and say any thing they like on the flight,because no muslim will speak against amuslim. Then it will be ineresting to see how many muslims travel by this airline.They should be the last to complain are not others enduring the same.

    gainst a muslim.Then it would be interesting to see how many muslims travel by this airline.

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    Sam Reply:

    That will be interesting idea.
    What if some muslims insist on travelling on regular airlines, even after this exclusively muslim airlines is created ?

    muslim only airlines is good, but then they will ask for subsidy (like Haj) and the rest of Dhimmi’s end up paying for these guys..

    India’s Dhimmi govt should stop the Haj subsidy, as the trips to Mecca/Medina are the worst form of religious apartheid.

    Even in the worst days of apartheid in South Africa, entire cities were not excluded for black people for simple visits.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @ramesh

    actually it makes sense! One of the Moiddle Eastern companie s (Emirates, Etijhad, Gulf Airlines etc) may want to designate certain flights as Mulims only!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Infact one of the muslim guy jokingly told me, he felt safer travelling with mid-east airlines as chances of it being hijacked by muslim terrorists was NIL.

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    Sam Reply:

    Along the line of great conspiracy theories emanating from Muslim world…

    “Middle east airlines are actually encouraging hijacking of other airlines.
    Muslim terrorists are paid by them.
    Because Muslim owned airlines are not hijacked, they are going to get all the business.”"

    how is that for a new conspiracy theory ?
    (or maybe it is real..)

  • http://- Rajeev

    There are girls like Akash who are willing to give muslims BJ so that they spare her life.
    What kind of girls does India have?

    I am ready to protect her but she suffering from stockholm syndrome.
    Akash ka matlab, dilli ka ch**ya, laundiya, phatichar, darpok, G**ndu..How can you help such low life?

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Cool down, all

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Raju Kurien,
    We need this scumbag (Akash) banned because for no reason this dilli ka phuddu picked up fight with me.
    I asked him to meet me personally but is dilli ke dhakkan ki phat gayi.
    If she can not handle panga, she should stay within her panty.

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    Akash Reply:

    Oye vilayati tattoo..arre yaar kabi desh mein to reh..Bahar reh ke gaali de raha hai..Address kya bataoo tujhe..Bhikhmango ko main address nahin deta…

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    You said you’ll stop!?!

    @ Akash,

    You too please!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I am willing to stop but she (akash) needs to stop first. She started it first.

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    Akash Reply:

    Ahmer,
    You know people like Rajeev dhakkan can only shut up when someone stands up to them and call their bluff. Don’t worry; he will cool down.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash Laundiya,
    Use your original swear words..Bhains ki ch**t.
    Till girls like you keep offering phuddis unnecessarily, I won’t stop.

    ramesh Reply:

    @Zia writing in defance or to please some of your own is waste of time,write to change or reform is the right way.It is also high time to speak against the few bad apples that are spoiling the image of so many.Some poet has rightfully said ”Apna mashab chho doe nahi aur doosaroka chhedo nahi”. All the best you.

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    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev,
    Use some new swear words. That shows you have not lived in India for long. you are probably cleaning gutters in Piccadilly circus.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash Laundiya,
    I am pretty sure that you are one of those dilli ka phuddus who go around shooting their mouth.
    Behan ke laude..teri maa ki aisi maaroonga, tere bachche bhi naani naani chillanenge..
    Choot ke dhakaan..
    Behan ke laude, teri maa dilli ke galiyon mein chudati phirti hai aur tu bhosdika apni maa ka gutter mein baith kar wait karta hai.

    Beta tu apna address de..teri to 101 tareeko se phuddi marroonga.

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    Ajay Reply:

    Rajeev,
    Main akash hi hoon..
    ram ram ram..kinte ghatiya alfazoon ka istemaal kar rahe ho Rajeev mian..arre 101 tareek chodo, ek to seekh lo..aaj tak to marwate aaye ho.

    Yaar, talking about gutters, I guess you must be familiar with them..oh wait! totally forgot..Aren’t you resident of Kauriya Pul? Wahi to saare H*jre rehtein hain..aha! Now I see. To wahi hai apki Khandani Haweli janab..kya kehne..gustakhi mauf huzur, yeh shayad aapke khandaan ki hi hain..kahin aapki khala to nahin..kya baat hai..wah wah..so this was the service you were talking about..hmmm..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabnam_Mausi

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/668042.stm

    I know how you must be feeling. I know your address but you don’t know mine. But I am a little saddened. If you were serious about coming to my place you would have mentioned an email address where I would have sent my address.Buss hawa deta hai..G**nd mein dum nahin, hum kissi se kam nahin..arre vilayati tatte thora to dimaag ka bhi istemaal kar..Kahin woh bhi to shafakhana mein saaf to nahin ho gaya.. Aab yahaan to nahin likh sakta na address. Sab tere jaise chakke pahunch gaye mere ghar, to humari bari badnami hogi. Apke khandaan ka to pata nahin lekin humari thori abhi izzat hai..

    Waise batla doon apko: bande ka ghar Bihar ke Ara zile mein..Ara ke barein mein shayad apne nahin suna hoga..Jab jana ho to bata dena…kisi ko bhejwa doonga station pe receive karne ke liye..Bhojpuri mein kahawat hai:
    “Ara zila mein ghar ba, kaun baat ke daar ba”

    To yeh jo apne shehri fatte hain na, woh apne pichware mein rakhna..wahaan choon bhi kiya na..to bina tel ke tunnel bana denge tere piche..Aab ja aur ja ke apne pajame ka naara sambhal chokre..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ab dhakkan tune naam bhi badal liya…
    Teri to buri tarah se phati padi hai…I did not even read any sentence after ‘Ajay’…

    Teri maa chudai kardi, Bareily ke Bazzaar mein.
    Chal hawa aane de..

    Dar lag raha hai munne ko..apni maa ke pichwade mein ghus ja bhosdki ke..
    Beta, apna address to de..teri maa ki choot mein laloo ka khopra daal doonga..

    Akash ki Ammi chudi re Ara ke bazzaar…
    Bihari babu ke mummy chudi re humse takrar mein,

    Akash apni ammi ke legenga doodhe re laloo ke gahr pe..
    Dekho uski maa chudi re..zia ke haath se…

    Bihari babu, tere ko hijro ki basti ke baare mein zyada maloom hai..tera baap lagta hai wahi rehta hai..padosi ki aulaad..

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev “phat-phat phattu Kauriya pul wale”

    Nice ditty there..No doubt a part of your ‘family’ repertoire, which you perform at marriages and sundry other events. Don’t you think putting it out in the public domain would take your intellectual property rights.

    Arre tony blair ke dayein tatte, aab to de diya address. Bihar ka sunte hi saanp sungh gaya kya. Babu Bihari phatte nahin deta. Aao to beta Ara. Arre dekhein jara g**nd mein kitna dum hai.. aapki khidmat mein kuch logon ko bhej doonga. Huzur tashrif kab laa rahein hain? aur jara bima(insurance) kara ke aaiyo..oh wait..leave it..tere paas hai hi kya jo tu insure kareiga..babu tel acche se mal ke aana..aabhi hawa aane ki jo baat kar raha hai na..wapas aane ke baad hugne ke layak bhi nahin rahega..

    I should tell you, from your rants about Muslims, it seems that someone has hurt you badly..Kya aapki begum kisi ke sath bhag gayin kya? Yaar Rajeev, yeh to hona hi tha na dost..ab tu din bhar computer ke samne baitha rahega to bechari kya karegi woh. Jayegi hi aakhir Rustam Pehelwan ke paas..Upar se aapki khandani kamjoriyan..pahle se hi rajma tha pajame mein, shafakhana ne woh bhi saaf kar diya..Awaz to apki masha allah ekdum Lataji ko bhi maat karti hogi…

    to yahan gali bakna band kar aur sambhal apni mashuqa ko..kahin aisa na ho ki mohalle ke kallu miya aapki begum ki baja rahein hon..yahaan aap ‘hai hai’ kar rahein hain..aur udhar woh ‘oh yeah’ ‘oh yeah’ kar rahi ho…

    Yeh lagta hai aap hi ki koi rishtedaar hai..Kissi Pakistani bhai ne pakad liya hai inko..hai hai..kitne zulm huein hain aapki qaum ko..sina fat jata hai sun ke to..

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/10166519.stm

    Akash Reply:

    aur woh Ajay ke naam pe is liye chapa kyonki dar tha ki kahin mera sandesh nahin chapenge zia sahab..isliye naam change kar diya…

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash aka Anarkali,
    Bihariye..Tu to bhosdi ka Osama ka tatta hai. Abe Ara ke railway station par rehta hai kya. Poora address de chavannichaap. Bihar ka naam sunte hi mein samajh gaya ki tere level ka chutia sirf Bihar hi de sakta hai..Saale Sattu kha kha kar akal sad gayi hai ter..Kanjar tu to Potna mein ghar bhi nahi khareed sakta. Tere Baap kya Ara station par tel maalish ka business chalata hai..Wah kya family hai..maa randi..baap telmalish *** Bhadwa aur laundiya Anarkali ready to be randi.
    Jinko tu meri khidmat mein bhejega, kya woh teri ammi ke client hai..Tu Insurance ki chinta mat kar..I will pay insurance money for your ammi’s phuddi. Teri Maa ki aisi khidmat karoonga, teri saat pushtey gaa*nd se paida hogi..Muh se hagegi..Jhant ke Baal.

    Tune Sahi kaha..muslims teri jaisi laundiya le jayenge to hum jaise log gussa nahi honge to kya karengei..Pehle teri maa musalman se chudati thi..aur ab tu Kutia. Teri maa ko kate hue L ka zyada hi shauk hai..Aur beta..Bihar mein kaun si cyber cafe mein baith kar apni maa ki randi kamai uda raha hai..Saale kuch padh likh le..Ab Nitish ne tum jaise raand-baccho ke liye.

    Ab khol ke maar raha hun, to kehti hai, ki Huzoor Gali bakna band karoon..teri jaisi mashuka musalmaan ke haath haar ke, mein aise hi tu kutia ko gaali bakoonga..

    Chal teri ammi bula rahi hai..next round ke liye..apne abba ko bhej mere L ki tel maalish ke liye..aur tu saale paan laga..dhakkan

    Akash/Anarkali maa chud rahi hei magar zor zor se..
    Saali chilla rahi hai..dekho halke halke..

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev Fate chaddi wale,
    “maa randi..baap telmalish”

    Miyan, is tarah ke rozgar se to lagta hai aap hi wakif hain..kafi jankaari hai aapko..Hmm..Now I understand why you want my address. So you are the delivery man! thanks but no thanks. Humein is tarah ke tohfe nahin chahiye..Yeh bala aap hi ko mubarak..You should be proud of your achievements, coming from such a background. Very commendable! Buss thori aapki jaban hain na ussi se pata chal jata hai ki aapke background ke barein mein..Khair koi nahin…
    Aur miyan kafi naraaz maloom hote ho..Lagta hai Lallan miyan ne aapki begum ke sath aap ka bhi baja diya..ekdum sath sath..Kya tip nahin chora..hai hai..kaise chalega aise gujara tumhara..Lekin gussa thook do aur socho ki kyon aisa ho raha hai tumhare sath..Kabhi Kallu Miyan, to kabhi Johny, to kabhi Naresh, sab baja de rahein hain tumhara sar-e-aam. Pichware to tumhara ekdum jawahar tunnel ho gaya hoga..aisa isliye ho raha hai Kyonki tum sirf hekri marte rahte ho..ki yeh kar doonga woh kar doonga..arre gaand dhona seekh lo pehle tab kissi ke moonh lagna..Aur yaar, Patna mein bhi ghar hai..agar Patna aana ho to wahin aa jao..Khair choro yaar..tum kya aaoge..Even Hijras have more balls (pun intended) that you. Buss yaar yahi do jagah ghar hai apna..proper ghar banane mein to yaar time lagta hai..aab tumhari tarah thore hi ki jahaan gutter ya khali nullah dekha wahin barsaati daal ke so liye…

  • Rahmath

    Zia,
    WIsh you could post another article….

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    sam Reply:

    Wish Zia stops writing articles, which are nothing but complaining, complaining, complaining.

    all he talks is how muslims are discriminated, misunderstood…

    just show something muslims did for the greater good of society, regardless of religion and without hidden motives to convert poor hindus (using gulf oil money from apartheid regimes)..

    none, i guess

    so he goes on and on on complaining and being victims.

    if he really believes, he just talks like Jinnah.
    In that case, just follow him and get out of the country..

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  • Randhir

    How about same respect for Hindus and other non-Muslims in most Muslim majority societies? Pakistan insults Hindus by calling itself an Islamic republic even though Hinduism was the native culture. I don’t hear any Indian Muslim complain about that . DNA is reporting that 57 Hindus were forced to convert to Islam in Pak because they feared losing their jobs by Muslim employers.

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    Sam Reply:

    “DNA is reporting that 57 Hindus were forced to convert to Islam in Pak because they feared losing their jobs by Muslim employers. ”

    Will the people like Zia and Arundhati Roy go and protest in Pakistan ?
    or atleast at the border ?

    never !!!

    they may be not be concerned at all for the plight of forcible conversions, as long as they are converting to islam.

    Imagine if HIndus did that to muslims in india.
    It will be in headlines all over the world and huge protest marches in all izlamic countries…
    death threats, suicide bombings, fatwas…
    justification for events like in 26/11 mumbai..
    they will justify each and every evil committed by jihadists…

    stupid hindu gullible people who believe in secularism and so naive and gullible in beleiving in religious freedom..

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  • Rahmath

    @ Syed,

    Thanks for recommending the book ot me.These were things which i already suspected and now i can tell to my fellow muslims more firmly,though whether they will beleive is questionable.But may be the younger generation of muslims can read the book and maybe the flow to this “fixation” of religion to their lives can be made less and more importance be given to the goodness of people.In fact i think its a good book for non muslims to read as well.As one has heard, “knowledge is power”.Thanks once again.Presently am reading ,life of mohammed.have read only one by fourth till now….

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Latest-
    No pakistani minister or politician attended the funeral of Ahmadis killed in Lahore MOSQUE attack on firday. The reason is simple instituitionalised hatred for Ahmadis as they are considered worse than Kafir thus Wajib-ul-Qatl (Qualified to be killed by muslims).

    If you call a Ahmadi ‘Shaheed’ (martyr), you could be put in jail.

    This is true face of Islam so called religion of peace.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Akash bana Ajay..ab ajay banegi anarkali..lekin Bihar ki..
    Saala Sattuchhap.

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    Akash Reply:

    aaye le munna kyon apne abba huzur ko yaad kar rahe ho..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Chal apni dukaan utha ley..ab gaa*nd maar raha hun, to kutia huzur huzur chilla rahi rahi.

    Teri ammi ko apne L pe bitha kar Potna dikhaoonga.

    Aaj sattoo khaya ki nahi..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Akash ko Uthaya, uski ammi ne gale se lagaya,
    Chud rahi akash ki ammi chunar gote mein..

    Potna ki galiyon, chud rahi akash ki amma
    Laloo ke khopde se..

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    Akash Reply:

    Tu Togadia ke jhaant se bahar to nikal..

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    humanityfirst Reply:

    Rajeev, please stop this immature filthy non-sense! Akash is either a lowly dhimmi or a Muslim masquerader. Don’t stoop to his level, brother. You are earning a bad reputation.

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  • kamaloodin

    60 % of terrorists in the world are now muslims.so what do you want the policeman to do. to start with why can”t you write an article about the terrorist in delhi waiting to be hanged.since we muslims are partial and we do not accept a criminal as criminal but muslim ,we have to start from ourselves.otherwise getting a passenger is nothing wrong because we are paying the price of our stupidity which the community wont accept.

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    humanityfirst Reply:

    Correct your data- it’s 99% and not 60%.

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