Artificial intelligence: How counter-terror failed us



Our Intelligence is said to have brains, but nobody has seen them yet. There isn’t a single clear-cut case where they have caught terrorists immediately before or after bombs are put. In many border states, such as in the Northeast, newspapers frequently run cock-and-bull stories planted by the Intelligence, which are meant to put out an impression that they are on the job.

Typically, they seem to have all information and crucial details, except that the culprits are never in their bags. Consider this recent headline: “Alert in Guwahati after reports of ULFA bombers sneaking in.” Click here

The story says at least three bombers of the outlawed United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA) had sneaked into the state’s main city Guwahati to carry out serial explosions in public places.

The police spokesperson quoted seems to know exactly how many would-be bombers have descended (as if they alighted from a flight, waving guns), which wing of the militant outfit they belong to, and even the marketplaces they would precisely target.

If so much is known, why are they not caught? How come the radar blanks out once they are inside the city limits? Poor intelligence at work, not in counter-terrorism, but in story-telling.

As a result of our sleepwalking intelligence, internal security has suffered.

There is serious doubt if they get the right people, map the right plots and crack the right terror rings. Their gadgets pick up conversations of chief ministers, not terror masterminds. Click here

Every time a bomb goes off, the usual suspects are Muslims. Many Muslims are rounded up and the police spin stories about them in the media. Crime reporters are usually the most inexperienced. They are invariably the youngest, working for city reporting bureaus. These reporters depend on the police for their bread and butter. So, they never question police theories.

All bombings between 2006 and 2008, which took place in multiple cities and towns, were immediately blamed on people of one community by an intuitive intelligence. As a Muslim, it was appalling and dreadful for me. It was equally shameful. Yet, there was no option but to keep quiet. After all, bombs don’t fall from Mars. Someone must have planted them. It must be Muslims, a few who ultimately kill for geo-political reasons, but in the name of religion.

It has become such an all-too-familiar story that even Muslims were starting to believe that only Muslims can get really ugly and Islam really evil.

However, serious about-turns have taken place in investigations into the bombings in Muslim shrine Ajmer Sharif and Hyderabad’s Mecca Masjid, both of which took place in 2007. The blasts in Malegaon in 2006 and 2008, and then the violence in Modasa, were all initially blamed on Muslim outfits, either the Kashmir-linked terror groups or alleged homegrown terror like the Indian Mujahideen.

It now appears that some of these acts were committed by groups acting in the name of Hindutva, an ideology equally prone to be extreme. Am I saying no Muslim ever detonated a bomb? No. But when terror strikes repeatedly at the heart of one religion, it is common sense to look elsewhere for clues. But common sense is not all too common. Our intelligence blamed Muslims for what were essentially attacks on Islam.

An intuitive intelligence jumps the gun. Smart intelligence is driven not by instinct or intuition but hard information. Therefore, it has ended up tainting just one community, transferring the sins of a potent few to the whole of it.

Somebody must be brought to justice for arresting 75 Hyderabadi Muslim youths for the Mecca Masjid blasts. Many of them have been freed. But tainted by terror, their lives are going nowhere. During visits to Hyderabad, I had met one of them. I felt terrible to see a peaceful, educated, law-abiding young Muslim to have been wrongly blamed for terror.

How is it that soon after the bombs go off, police and even home ministers, quoting intelligence, immediately blame members of the Muslim community, alleging links with Huji and Lashkar? It takes them more than two days to ascertain what explosives were used, but two minutes to blame Muslims.

Stereotyping of Muslims is often blamed on the media, but the real culprit and the root cause is the Muslim-obsessing intelligence of this country.

It’s difficult to know how they operate, and whether they update and hone their skills. Such information cannot be sought even under the Right to Information Act.

We now work closely with Israel, a country known for its ruthless but highly accurate intelligence.

During my December 2009 visit to Israel, our ambassador in Tel Aviv, Navtej Sarna, called me over for a dinner. His wife Avina spread out a simple but a delicious Indian meal.

Sarna said he was focusing on increasing the tremendous business potential between the two countries. I had told him that, given the growing closeness of the two countries, our intelligence agencies should hone their skills with the help of Mossad, Israel’s external intelligence, and Shabak, Israel’s internal security agency in charge of monitoring the West Bank.

On hundreds of occasions, Israel has managed to kill enemy operatives in pin-point strikes based on real-time information. Often, fugitives are killed by firing missiles at their cars, when they traveled from one safe haven to another.

Israel’s intelligence works closely with that country’s minority community. Time magazine writer Dan Ephron, in a recent article on how Israel got the son of a Hamas founder to defect, writes that the Shabak security agency maintains a list of every Palestinian in every town and village, ranking them in order of their usefulness. That’s the kind of hard work it takes to ferret out the real operatives.

Problems of India and Israel are very dissimilar. Israel was born out of a debatable part of history. But sharing intelligence skills does no harm, especially when we have so many shades of terror — red, green and saffron — to take care of. If targets are precise, innocents are spared.

All public money spent across all departments is accounted for by the government before Parliament. Lawmakers routinely review “demands for grants” of all government wings, except in the case of internal and external intelligence agencies.

With Delhi’s Batla House shootout on September 19, 2008, intelligence officials claimed the masterminds of one of the deadliest outfits had been wiped out. To kill a revolution, it is said, you have to kill its leaders. Yet two days after Batla House, a bomb went off in south Delhi’s Mehrauli.

Indian Muslims continue to face risks of persecution, especially in Gujarat. One of Gujarat’s senior-most policemen, Abhay Chudasama, has been arrested in connection with the Sohrabuddin fake encounter. Chudasama is the chief of the Ahmedabad Crime Branch. Imagine? Such policemen, if their guilt is proved, deserve the same contempt as terrorists. When protectors turn predators, they should be treated as extraordinary offenders.

Shamefully, Chudasama is the 14th police officer to be arrested for abducting and killing Sohrabuddin Sheikh and his wife, Kausar Bi, in 2005, near Ahmedabad. The police wanted us to believe that Sohrabuddin was a terrorist after they shot him dead in a fake encounter.

Sohrabbudin’s death was first investigated by the Gujarat CID, which came under severe censure from the Supreme Court for deliberately moving too slowly, and for botching up the investigation. It was then handed over to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI).

The CBI has charged Chudasama with trying to influence witnesses into changing their versions. He also allegedly arranged guns that were used in the shootout, including one that was planted on Sohrabuddin.

Sohrabuddin and his wife were pulled out of a bus near Gandhinagar and taken to a farmhouse. Later, he was allegedly taken by the police to a highway. A hail of bullets was fired to make it seem as if Sohrabuddin had attacked the police. Kausar Bi was never found. Investigating officials suspect she may have been set on fire.

Three senior police officers who were arrested earlier for the fake encounter include former deputy inspector general D.G. Vanzara, superintendent of police Rajkumar Pandyan, both from the Gujarat Police, and superintendent of police Dinesh MN of the Rajasthan police force.

On September 8, 2009, the Ahmedabad metropolitan magistrate, S.P. Tamang, had found that the June 2004 killing of Ishrat Jahan, a young girl suspected to be a terrorist, was a case of ‘fake encounter’.

The war on terror looked different to some Muslims, like the Hyderabad boy, who found themselves under instinctive suspicion because of their religion. If counter-terrorism is seen to be harassing or partial, there is a danger of people identifying more with terrorism than with the government.

Therefore, we need a law-respecting police force and a non-partisan intelligence. Nobody has a greater duty to follow the law than those who make or enforce it.

Brash as ever, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi has alleged a witch-hunt, accusing the CBI of harassing senior policemen. Modi’s crying hoarse makes me wonder if these policemen are his henchmen. Egregiously enough, he gets BJP leader L.K. Advani, whose political steam is fast depleting, to lead a protest against the CBI’s probe. Modi’s fear, of law catching up with him, is finally showing.

Rajya Sabha MP Brinda Karat made a statement on May 6 in Parliament. “It seems there is a network of groups operating in different parts of the country that are committed to acts of terror in the name of Hindutva. The government should institute an enquiry into this,” she said.

When Muslims are linked to blasts, then Islam itself is blamed. Should we not then strongly condemn the politics that act as factories for extremist ideology, the politics of communal hatred?

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  • Bobby

    Very good post. Indian Police and Intelligence have such a disgusting record of false “encounters”, lying to the public, torture, and getting the wrong people or rather implicating the wrong people so that they can “solve” the case fast that its becoming hard to believe any thing they say anymore. Which is why in this country we should never have laws like POTA and what not. Its definitely going to be misused. Not just on muslims, but rather on all weaker sections of society.

    As far as Israel is concerned, I strongly disagree. We should have the same policy with it, that we had with Apartheid South Africa.

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    Ali Reply:

    great reply

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    Akash Reply:

    Bobby,
    You should convince Rajeev that you are not me. I disagree with you as regards our relation to Israel. Actually, we should have an even greater co-operation with Israel. We have much to learn from them and didn’t the Prophet himself say that, you should go to China even, for the sake of knowledge. Israel is farther but …
    And, why should we raise our hands for Arabs. When have they supported us? We should work with countries that benefit us and don’t send money to create havoc all around. Witness what Saudi money is doing to Pakistan. They have even outsourced Jihad to Pakistan.
    By the way, did you see how Pakistan reacted when US asked(ordered) it for some information regarding Faisal. Wonder what’s the reason. Oh and before I forget, do read what Farhat Taj has to say about FATA.

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    Bobby Reply:

    Dear Akash,

    Would you have issues being associated with a known rapist in you locality (say), or would you happily take his help just because he is powerful..forgetting what he does?

    What Israel is doing to Palestine, is what the APartheid regime did to the blacks in South Africa and what Hitler did to the Jews.

    Regarding Saudi money coming to the US, well I am assuming that you know who is the biggest provider of arms, and material help to Pakistan… By that criteria, would you also then agree that we should have no truck with the US?

    I dont know what the Prophet said, nor do i care….. so I dont know how that helps in this duscussion?

    Regarding the Jeev twins, why do you give them any importance. He is just a piece of sh it. Some one who has his head buried in his ar s. PLease ignore him, he really cant help being a dick head…he was born that way.

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    Akash Reply:

    Bobby,
    By that measure, there are very few(if any) countries that we can associate with. Hammam mein sab nange hain. Should we stop our relations with China, or with Russia due to its doings in Chechneya. Iran, along with most countries in the Middle East, should also be in that list. We cannot talk in absolute terms. For you, the Israeli regime may seem like Nazis. It doesn’t seem like that to me. Surrounded by hostile regimes, one of which regularly threatens it with nuclear annihilation, I am surprised as to why you cannot see how it can be driven into a seize mentality.
    As for your issue regarding US, yes, there are some problems. Yet, a big factor is that it’s a democracy like us guided by its self interest, in which, I am sure, it’s not alone. The problem with Arab states is that they have consistently voted against us on Kashmir, and that is solely based on Pakistan being an Islamic state. I hope you get on some of the calenders published there and distributed worldwide. Kashmir is in the list of places where Muslims are being raped and murdered in lakhs(yes, that’s the figure). I don’t remember such canard emanating from US or Israel or Russia. I am not condoning our army’s actions in Kashmir, but really, do we have that much of a choice. Would the hostilities end if we give up Kashmir?

    Bobby Reply:

    Dear Akash,

    Hamam main sab nange hain is true, but some are more nange than others :) There have been many cruel regimes but the Nazi Regime stood out at its time, like the Apartheid regime did….

    Regarding Kashmir, honestly we should start by acknowledging that no government has the right to rule over a people, if the people do not want it. 7,00,000 troops to rule a place, is simply immoral. Its more than the troops the US has in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    What the army is doing there is not the fault of the army as much as its the fault of the Government, who put them there.

    sanjeev Reply:

    Zia

    Muslims have no right to talk of morality…they are biggest sexually frustarated men..

    See the story here.:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslim-mans-wedding-void-if-woman-fails-to-convert-says-HC/articleshow/5918103.cms

    The only language you people understand is that of Israeli or spanish style…else non muslims should be ready to get wiped out the zorastrian style..

    Sam Reply:

    First they came for fellow arabs.
    then they came for jewish people in mecca/medinah
    then they came for zoroastrians
    then they came for christians in Syria, Iraq, egypt, turkey.

    now they are coming after Hindus & Christians in a global scale.

    just watch the inferno.

    sanjeev Reply:

    @ Babaruddin ghazni ghauri taimur abdali nadir

    Stop this shit of yours.

    We are lucky that we don’t have foreign policy advosors like you…Go and advice to your ilk in the ummah..they seriously need some brains like you.

    Regarding Kashmir i am proud to say that Indian army is doing really good job..

    My father has been part of the Indian army’s operation to liberate bangla desh..so I know what your so called beloved country Porkistani did to Bangladeshi’s in 1971 and 9 months preceding the Indian intervention.

    This country needs to be traitors like you and handfull of kashmiri mullah’s who had driven 3 lakh pandits out of their valley.

    Kashmiri’s are getting much better treatment than they actually deserve in this country (seeing their treatment.

    Only the Indian police and intelligence needs few more encounters of people like you, arundhati Roy, Anju gupta rizvi, Teesta setalvad jAVED, and Zia who are more dangerous than the handfull of mullahs in kashmir

    Bravo indian army…

    Bobby Reply:

    Di ck head Jeev twin,

    You are not taking your daily doses even now. For your own family’s sake get yourself admitted in Ranchi Mental Asylum. I had even sent you a link with its address typed in one of the old posts…so please do yourself and your loved ones a favour, by getting admitted asap.

    Akash Reply:

    Dear Bobby,
    I hate to agree with Sanjeev given his fondness for Khap panchayats, but setting aside his ramblings, I do not agree with your contention. If we were honest about the democratic setup, the Kashmir problem wouldn’t have arisen. Your theory sounds very nice but a little otherworldly. By that token, we should immediately withdraw the central forces from the naxal infested belts. They obviously don’t want anything to do with the current dispensation.
    We are a “wounded civilization”, in words of Naipaul. 100 years on who knows, India may not exist as we know, but we are duty bound to preserve what we have now. We have known what is the outcome of a divided, denuded India. It’s an idea, our India, but it’s also a physical entity. No more shrinkage of borders.

    Bobby Reply:

    Dear Akash,

    “we should immediately withdraw the central forces from the naxal infested belts”

    Thats exactly what we should do. The land where tribals live belongs to them. What the Indian Government is doing, is nothing but putting ghee to the fire.

    The tribals and the kashmir issue are not the same. The tribals are not demanding indpendence, only some amount of control over their land and their way of life. I think the government should respect that, and talk to them….

    The Naxal problem is something the state of India created, by its wrong policies towards them, for the last 60 years. Its very different from the Kashmir issue, which has a international angle to it, and is something left over from partition. They are not the same.

    Nevertheless, I think when a state, or rather all states decide that they will be truly democratic, by which I mean, that in ALL cases, when the Government accepts the basic policy that if a demand is made by a group of people, regarding issues which affect them primarily then it should be accepted.

    If this policy is accepted by governments across the world, then violence will automatically stop. On the other hand, if as is happening, states terrorize those making just demands, then sadly we and our children are going to live in the shadow of terror.

    “but we are duty bound to preserve what we have now”

    Firstly, meeting democratic aspirations of people, will only make India stronger, not weaker. I have heard this comment before that If kashmir is given, then Indian secularism will fail or some such nonsense. The point is not of giving or taking Kashmir, the point is to let them decide what they want. The more we keep the army there, the less they will want to be part of India.

    Secondly, this line of yours could have easily been made, (and I am sure had been made), by british citizens, in pre independence India…. that we are duty bound to preserve the unity of the British empire and that therefore we should not grant India their independence. This is how power structures across the world since time immemorial have behaved. Be it religious fundamentalists, who give and take lives for “preserving their religion”, or “patriots” who do the same “to preserve the intergrity of the nation”.

    To quote Arundhati Roy from her famous “Come September speech”:

    “Nationalism of one kind or another was the cause of most of the genocide of the twentieth century. Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people’s minds and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead.”

    Ahmer Reply:

    Great debate Akash and Bobby… it was nice to read a mature and informed conversation!

    sanjeev Reply:

    @ Babaruddin ghazni ghauri taimur abdali nadir

    If people buy your argument then

    India should give kashmir on platter to porkis

    north east to chinha

    central india to maoist

    pujab to porki again

    and then …

    oh i forgot the democratic argument….:)

    there are majority of people in the world who do not want to live with followers of a pedo-rapist-murderer..

    can they eliminate them wherver they non muslims are in majority ..kashmir valley style ?

    your democratic argumet apply here also ?

    Akash Reply:

    Dear Bobby,
    Nothing riles me more that quotations from Arundhati Roy and her cohorts. She is just an articulate bimbo. She learned some mnemonics during her college days, something that goes like:
    There is problem A.
    What is the cause?
    Think.
    Think more.
    Damn, can’t connect the dots.
    Oh well, US imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, military-industrial complex(not necessarily in that order) is to blame.
    Q.E.D

    Her arguments are of echo chamber variety on the lines of a human parrot repeating ad nauseam, “four legs good, two legs bad”. She is an excellent fiction writer and that’s all what there it is to her arguments. None of these writers have done an honest day work in the field in the beating sun. I have ties to my village. The Naxal and tribal problems are separate. The Govt. has failed tribals, no doubt about it. But the naxal problem is of a different variety. They are only slightly better than Taliban; their ideology is easy to counter. I have known some of these idiots. During the time between harvesting and sowing season in the villages, all the lumpen elements join the so-called naxal forces. All they know is to chant “lal salam” and smoke ganja all day. They are a pest. So, don’t get carried away and conflate the two. The tribal problem has been hijacked by the naxals to give them a legitimacy something that wide-eyed fools like Roy and co. regurgitate without an iota of thinking.
    The Kashmir problem has been debated many times. I cannot add anything new. It was entirely mismanaged by Nehru. Hyderabad would have gone the same way had your advice been followed. We live in real world. Sometimes the threat of ‘danda’ works better than all the blandishment. You must remember that the current uprising started in 1989 with the botched elections, which, no surprises, was the handiwork of Congress. The religious angle is also there. I have met quite a few Kashmiris outside India where they have been open to admit that they rather side with Pakistan, and when I asked them why, they say that their culture is similar, something which shocks even outsiders as to why someone would want to ally themselves with a rapidly failing state. I don’t buy that argument that if we let Kashmir go then our secularism would fail. That is just baloney. But, in the current context, where we are ringed by inimical forces, it’s better to fight them at the border of Kashmir rather than at the border of Himachal. Don’t forget, we control the water of five(?) rivers when we have Kashmir.
    So, what you have said should be the guiding principle, we must not forget the more prosaic matters. There is a reason why China keeps Tibet.

    Btw, I agree with Sanjeev with most of his points except his admiration for Modi. Modi is a mass murderer who should be dragged into court by his chootiya and given exemplary punishment.

    Bobby Reply:

    Dear Akash,

    Its pretty clear that you have no idea of Arundhati Roy’s stance on any issue. She is the one person, among the articulate people, who makes sense, and has the courage to speak the truth, instead of singing bhajans in praise of the Indian state.

    The tribals and Naxals are not different people, most of the fighting forces of the Naxals are the tribals… simply fighting to exist. It is true that there are Naxal leaders who come from the cities, but they are few. The main component in the forests are the tribals….and even the government acknowledges that they are increasingly joining the Naxals. The question one should ask is why? The fact is that the Government has systematically refused to react to any kind of non violent protest from the people, and when non violent resistance is crushed or defeated, the lesson the people take home is that “violence is the only language they understand”.

    So unless the government talks to the people, understands the tribals concerns and stops taking away their land without consulting them and taking them into confidence, then the message they are passing on to the tribals, is that “this is not our government”

    Regarding Kashmir, you keep saying that Kashmir issue was one of “mismanagement” by one individual, and that Kashmir is acting as a buffer state to keep “them at the border of Kashmir rather than at the border of Himachal”.

    This kind of corporate talk and mentality is precisely the problem. Its clear from what you say that you think of Kashmir as a real estate and a buffer. That alone makes it clear, that you or other “patriotic people” have no interest in the kashmiri people per se, its just the land you want for “strategic reasons”…. Well are you too surprised, that they dont share your concerns, and that they do not want to be used as a buffer?

    You are totally wrong about Hyderabad. In fact, the whole point was that the logic that the Indian state used in Hyderabad, and correctly, was that the people wanted to be with India while the Nizam did not, and that its what the people want that matters. A logic, which they conveniently chose to relax when the sides were switched, as in Kashmir.

    prashantkumar137 Reply:

    @Bobby- You liar, Jews never fired rockets on the Nazis! That’s precisely what Palestinian terrorists are doing against Israel. Now since Israel is not a eunuch state like India, it replies in kind to the terrorist Palestinians, which is what hurts the entire muslim ummah- the epitome of double standards. The blood of other people is cheaper than water to the terrorist muslims. So, blind muslims from India and Pak, who are treated like shit by their Arabian brethren when they go for Haj, take up bombs to fight for them! Even when Muslims will be done with killing the others, the basic tenets of Islamic mind are not going to allow any peace on earth! Then they will start killing shias, muhazirs and hazaras and Armenians! Bloodthirst is the lifeline of this murderous cult!

    Akash Reply:

    Dear Bobby,
    If you have read my posts, you would know that I do not make unsupported claims. I am well aware of Arundhati Roy’s stance and her soporific writings. Her Alice in Wonderland-esque arguments would be laughable had it not affected critical issues. Sadly, there are many buffoons who fawn and go ga-ga over what she wore and how her nose bud looks different, rather than focus on the crux of her arguments. I don’t include you in those uncritical camp followers. I take back my words describing Arundhati. I was being too charitable. She reminds me of those rock groupies we came across in our college days. You frowned and advised them to the tune of:”The guy is a jerk; he sleeps around, and he does coke”, and they would say:”Oh! God! but look at how his fingers strum the guitar.” That may be a joke too far, but you get my point I hope. She writes approvingly of how a naxal leader watches video of men being blown up while going through her daily routines. Isn’t that a description of a psychopath? How is that different from Taliban hawking videos of people being beheaded? So, lets not talk about the intellectual scope of her arguments. Shorn of their linguistic habile, her writings suit a high school essay, at best. I could go on and on, but let me remind of one more instance. A few months ago, this same flummery about US imperialism et al. was bandied about with regard to Afghanistan. Roy, true to her reputation, went about the town peddling this beating-the-dead-horse argument. Just then, some articles, a few of them by Farhat Taj, started appearing from NWFP. Wonder why we don’t hear about those arguments anymore. Even you have wisely kept quiet about such issues. Nevertheless, I give her credit for taking a whirlwind tour of the affected areas. In that sense, she is better than those neutered intellectuals who sitting in their ac homes in Delhi continue to propagate fatuous theories.

    Now, let’s come back to the main issue. I have said before and I will say it again. The government has miserably failed the tribals. Yet, and let me emphasize: this problem has been cynically manipulated by Naxals. Naxalism was present even before this problem of tribal displacement came up. This is a problem of last 15 years. I don’t blame Naxals for filling up vacuum created by lack of governance, but if you ask if I have sympathy for naxals. That would be a big no. You haven’t seen them. They are as devious, as manipulative, and as power hungry as the politicians that they are claiming to replace. It’s not very difficult to get a true picture. All you have to do it take a bus from Ranchi to any place in Chotanagpur. That would be enough, but do live there for at least a week. The tribals are caught in a crossfire. In most areas dominated by naxals, they would not allow roads or hospitals to be built and no one dares going against their diktats. In the manner of Taliban, schools are regularly blown up, though, their reasoning is different. It is a naked quest for power. Arundhati and her twittering followers are living in a la-la land and being their unwitting supporters. It just surprises me that if, as they claim that they have a huge following, why don’t they stand in an election. The truth is that they see democracy as an emasculated system that they cannot master and so they want to subvert the whole system and take us back to the horrors of Gulag. Thanks but no thanks. I’ll have the western style democracy any day.

    Arundhati Roy is a publicity hound adept at snatching issues. We all remember how Medha Patkar was quietly pushed out of the focus when Arundhati stepped in. The whole thing then became a media tamasha. I have great admiration for Medha Patkar, Baba Amte and people like them. Here I would like to clarify another thing. My criticism of Arundhati Roy does not include Testa Salved or Rizvi. They are well meaning and genuine people.

    With regard to Kashmir, I guess, I didn’t make my point very clear. I use the word mismanagement in the broadest sense of the word. The details are too boring for me to put here, but I’ll let you find answers to the following question: why did Nehru go to UN and offer a plebiscite? It would have been extremely foolhardy to do so knowing that Kashmiris wouldn’t join the Indian Union. The present alienation of Kashmiris is totally understandable and it is primarily the result of 87 elections and then crude handling by Jagmohan that fueled the fire even further. Ten years ago, if you had asked the same question, I would have supported the right of Kashmiris for a free state. Not now. The scenario has changed since then. Among the terrorists regularly mowed down in Kashmir, how many are ethnic Kashmiris? The Kashmiri movement now has been taken over by the bearers of militant Islam as it has become along with Checnaya and Palestine a cause celebre of the global Jihadist. That is a different monster. It has to be confronted forcefully and defeated completely. Even loony tunes like Kuldip Nayar lament the rapid disappearance of sufi brand of Islam from Kashmir. The people who are fighting for Kashmir are not going to stop at its border. To ignore that is to make the same mistake that we have made over the centuries. If your memory is short, the British left us only 60 years ago and each one of our asinine kings thought that the East India Company would stop its avarice at the neighbor’s borders.

    As an aside, I now stand accused of being a corporate sympathizer, a secular nutcase, and a socialist lotus eater. That makes my job complete. No one can accuse me of bias anymore. Oh well, the right-wing hindu fanatic label is still to be had.
    :)

    Bobby Reply:

    Dear Akash,

    I dont want to divert this into an issue regarding Roy. Nevertheless I will answer the one point you are raising about something she wrote in her article.

    Firstly, I didnot say that you do not read Arundhati Roy’s articles, but that you dont understand what she is saying. From your reply it seems I was right.

    In the particular part of the article of hers that you are describing, She is very clearly saying, as she has repeated it in several other forums, that what she appreciates is the courage the tribal men and woman show, in the face of the attack launched on them, by one of the most powerful institutions of the world– namely the Indian state. As she explains , it is very sad, that it has come to this…. that young woman , men, and even children have to take up arms and resort to violence, but for that the main responsible lies with the Indian state.

    However given the option, that they either they fight back, or they take all the injustice done on them quitely, she considers the first option more heroic. As an analogy, if a woman attacks her rapist violently, you would be sad that she had to take that option, but you still prefer that she did something, rather than simply get on with life and accept the humiliation and injustice.

    Another more telling analogy would be the way the entire media was celebrating jubiliantly when the court passed the order that Ajmal Kasab should be hanged. People on the streets were celebrating. Now if you simply look at it in isolation, that is people celebrating the murder of a 20 year old man, it would look “psycopathic”….. but when you take into consideration, that this man had murdered in cold blood many innocent men woman and children who had done no harm to him, then we start to understand their behavoiour.

    Anyways this is beside the point being debated.

    sanjeev Reply:

    @ akash

    No point in arguing about what Arundhati Roy says..
    She is neither an strategic affairs expert or political scientist.

    She is just a fiction writer and living in her world of fiction..

    Btw her credentials as writer have been put into question these days as she couldn’t produce any signifiacnt work in last 12 years….

    The mullahs like Bobby get to quote..Arundhati Roy, Angana chaterjee, Noam chomsky etc

    Every genuinely academic expert know what their point have weightage when they talk about politics and diplomacy.

    btw naom chomsky is undisputed linguist philosopher.

    But i m surprised these sort of master of all sciences people provide fodder to people like Bobby.

    sanjeev Reply:

    @ Babaruddin ghazni ghauri taimur abdali nadir

    and add to this

    If I buy your argument that people should be allowed to do whatever they like…as in the case of your Mullahs in kashmir….so your and arundhati roy advocated freedom should be given to them because people are supporting them .

    Then the same argument apply to other parts of country also.

    If a democratically elected govt decides to do anything why you people cry every time ?
    e.g.
    You and your ilk teesta setalvad javed are always up against Modi when he has been given mandate by the majority of people to govern ?

    Isn’t it democratic for Modi to act whatever way he does if people endorse his govt. (by returning him in power again ).

    By steching the argument futher people of other religions who are in majority in rest of india have moral authority to kick the ……….just the way you people did in kashmir vally with pandits.. ?

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    Akash Reply:

    Bobby,
    Here is an excellent piece. Some fodder for thought.
    http://www.wichaar.com/news/284/ARTICLE/20008/2010-05-07.html

    Sanjeev,
    Yaar, itna gussa mat kar. Blood pressure high ho jayega..
    “Babaruddin ghazni ghauri taimur abdali nadir”
    That’s funny..
    :)

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    Akash Reply:

    Dear Bobby,
    Yaar, Arundhati Roy’s writings are not so nuanced that one cannot capture the meat of her arguments. As I said before, we should focus on the crux of her arguments. Remember, ‘if’ and ‘but’ though innocuous, are very potent words. These same arguments with slight variations and, of course, with liberal dosage of ifs and buts were floated for Taliban as well. Look where they have got us. In fact, there are still people like that buffoon Imran Khan who still talk about the heroism and bravery of good Taliban in standing up to US.
    When Roy blithely spews forth words like neo-capitalism, I sometimes wonder if she ever catches the irony of her own position. Without the modern media circus and book signings and glam photo shoots, she would have been cooling her heels in a far corner of the world. The central problem with these well-meaning but woolly dreamers, apart from their simplistic one size fits all approach to a problem, is their own guilt that gnaws inside and thus gives them an outlet for dreams of leading a revolution that they had but could never fulfill due to their own weasel like characters. Faiz comes once in hundred years. She is not Faiz, not even close. I have great admiration of some of the naxal leaders who, however skewed their aim is, still have the character and principle to share the deprivation of their foot soldiers. Roy has reduced herself to a pin-up of Naxals.

    By the way, I thought she was Gandhian till a few years back.

    I think your comparison with celebration following Kasab’s conviction is a little far-fetched. It would be fair to say that most people celebrated the speedy trial of Kasab rather than anything else. In any case, your comparison would have been a little more accurate had we hanged Kasab in public and made it a spectator sport. No prize for guessing where it is still a part of cultural evening.

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    Sam Reply:

    Maybe Indian police should learn from our neighbour Pakistan on how to effectively do counter terrorism..

    or even better, learn from Pak army (which has tremendous experience in counter terrorism from Bangladesh)

    in that way we can become good friends.

    Zia can organize a police training course.
    (the worst thing is every guy is suddenly expert in a huge range of issues, so I can be also an expert)…

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    TruthSeeker Reply:

    I agree 100% with you Bobby!!

    Does the appearance in Times Square of a Muslim Evil Doer credibly reinforce the need for the U.S. to lead a Global War on Terrorism? Or was the Fizzler a “patsy”—a pawn—deployed to freshen up a stale storyline and revive a flagging geopolitical narrative?

    The following article, confirms the same:
    http://www.countercurrents.org/gates100510.htm

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    Akash Reply:

    TruthSeeker,
    I suggest you get some psychiatrist help.

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  • A.M.FAZIL

    MR.ZIA HAQ, YOU HAVE FEARLESSLY AND IMPARTIALLY POINTED OUT SOME TRUTHS WITH PRECISION REGARDING THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND THE POLICE FORCES OF OUR COUNTRY THROUGH THIS ARTICLE, WHICH IS TOUCHING AND THOUGHT PROVOKING.

    YOU HAVE RAISED SO MANY QUERIES,ANXIETIES WHICH HAVE BEEN ANNOYING US EVER SINCE WE BEGAN TO HEAR ABOUT THE STATE SPONSORED ATROCITIES OF POLICE FORCES AGAINST MUSLIMS IN GUJARAT.

    BUT,SIR, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONDEMN AND RAISE OUR VOICE AGAINST TERRORISM IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND WE CAN’T DENY THE FACT THAT ISLAMIC TERRORIST GROUPS ARE BEHIND MAJORITY OF THE EXPLOSIONS THAT TAKE PLACE IN OUR COUNTRY. TERRORISTS SHOULD BE PUNISHED WHETHER THEY’RE HINDUS OR MUSLIMS.

    AND,SIR, YOU SAY THAT ISRAEL HAS MANAGED TO KILL ENEMY OPERATIVES WITH REAL TIME INFORMATION. ISRAEL CAN.BECAUSE THEY DON’T WORRY MUCH ABOUT UN OR HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION OR OPPOSITION POLITICAL PARTIES.THEY CAN GO ON KILLING THEIR ENEMIES FREELY.THEY’RE THE ONES WHO’RE CONSTANTLY IN WAR WITH PALESTINE.BUT INDIA IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM ISRAEL. IN INDIA YOU JUST CAN’T HANG AFSAL GURU TO DEATH EVEN IF THE COURT ORDERS IT! AND IT’LL TAKE 10 YEARS TO EXECUTE KASAB AND THAT ALSO IS NOT CERTAIN.

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    Akash Reply:

    Fazil,
    If you only wrote in small letters. It’s quite an effort to read, man.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Faizal Shahzad, the son of a retired Vice Air Marshal of Pakistani Air force , has been arrested for the failed bomb plot in New york. Were it successful, thousands would have died, world financial markets would have collapsed, and US would have been in paranoia and fear , causing more controls on Pakistani Muslims and otehr Muslims.

    Muslims do commit most (if not all) terrorist acts all over the world. While others may also commit, nobody is committing it for religion, or in an international scale. Anybody wanting to eb politically correct about this is really not confronting the issue – that early religious tarining in madrasas do create believers who see only one thing – going back to the Arabia of AD 650.

    Recently, several young Muslim men were arrested in my home district in Kerala on terrorism charges. One is apparenntly the South indian commander of LeT. Several of them were in Pakistan for training in Islamic (yes, I assert it is Islamic) Terrorist Training centers . Several blasts have been linked to them. Now, let me tell you – Muslims are not ghettoed in kerala, they are the richest after Christians, Muslims are the richest in my home district, they own most of the commercial buildings, and lots of land, and are educated (70% or so) compared to Muslims in other parts of India. So, if they join extremism and violence against India, it is easy tto believe why many will attribute any terrorist acts to Muslims first. It is a natural human impulse. People see these on TV (bombing in London, New York, Pakistan, Somalia all over) , arrests in Kerala, Mumbai etc etc..

    So do not blame the people. Nobody will add “:Muslim” to terrorists if muslims are not doing any terrorism. And that is along way off.

    Police, of course, has acted badly in some situations. Our legal system is taking care of those transgressions; obviuously faster actions will restore confidence.

    Police should be given all draconian authorities, POTA included, to cease and desist. The right tools acnnot be denied because of the potential fear of misuse.

    All terrorists should be annihilated with brute force; causes and triggers should be analyzed and solved; but never linked. There is no “fairness” in these.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    “Police should be given all draconian authorities, POTA included, to cease and desist. The right tools acnnot be denied because of the potential fear of misuse.”

    Maybe if there is more professionalism and accountability in the ranks… sadly thats not the case right now… our track record in the North East speaks volumes about the the excesses of our forces when there is no accountability.

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    Ali Reply:

    I wanted to do my Phd on why are Muslims becoming extreme groups…but there was non to supervise me and i therefore had to drop….but …let me in a nutshell tell you that those muslims who join to fight …are misled in many cases…..

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    Akash Reply:

    Gopi,
    We don’t need Pota; we need to improve our intelligence gathering. POTA just makes our cops even lazier and more brutal. Kerala is poisoned due to Gulf money, I think. I just don’t understand this fascination with the Arab “culture.” They are one of most boring people I have met.

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    prashantkumar137 Reply:

    Very well said Gopi! Zia is a liar and a fake apologist. And people like this likely pseudonymous duo Akash and Bobby are the real morale-boosters of the terrorists, who rush to defend and apologise on behalf of the followers of the terrorist cult of Izzlam at the drop of a hat. These people are self-proclaimed secularists, but in effect they are pseudo-secular dhimmis at best and idiot dumbheads at worst! Okay, you say all religions are equal and no one teaches terrorism. Following are some of the verses from Quran (with chapter no. and verse no. ). I’ve noted them down from my roommate’s copy of Quran ( Majid Daryabadi’s The Holy Qur’an: with English Translation and Commentary (Lahore) which is very authentic according to http://www.soundvision.com/.).
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.- 9:29.
    Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.- 47:4.
    “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”- 69:30-37.
    But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.- 9:5.
    I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.- 8:12.
    Now publish my arguments if you have got guts, Mr. Zia! Count down all the instances of terrorism that have happened in the world in last 10 years. 99.9% of it is done by people from your ‘peaceful’ religion (as is evident from the above quotes from Quran!). And please don’t get me started on the pedophilic perversions of your prophet (those interested should read the Islam-sanctioned first biography by Ibn Ishaq- Sirat Rasul Allah). Now since all the people in this world are not like Gandhiji, you can expect some of them to reply in kind to the ‘peaceful’ activities Islam is carrying out since last 1400 years (demolition of lakhs of worship places of others, mass murders and rapes, in recent past such ‘humanitarian’ acts like driving out Kashmiri Pandits through mass persecution, rape and murders of Hindus in Bangladesh, Beslan rape and massacre of schoolchildren, 9/11, 7/7, 26/11)- the result is Mecca Masjid bombing and Sadhvi Pragya and VHP- it’s reactionary violence, I condemn them but at the same time your people can’t be exonerated of their misdeeds. And tell me were the terrorists who massacred people in the glaring eyes of cameras at Akshardham and Mumbai CST not muslims- do you think Kasab was someone pulled out of your self-enforced ghetto by the Indian Police and falsely implicated in this case? And you people always harp about Gujarat riots but never mention the spark that started it- the ‘kindness’ your people exhibited by burning Hindus in the train at Godhra! Don’t spread bullcrap propaganda. People are awakening and seeing the real face of Izzlam- you can fool dickheads like Akash and Booby (oops, Bobby) by your taqiyya, but not me.

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    Bobby Reply:

    “you can fool dickheads like Akash and Booby (oops, Bobby) by your taqiyya, but not me.”

    there is no need to fool you, its in your genes

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    sanjeev Reply:

    @ akash

    Bobby is a mullah and he himself has told this in ahis comments almost a year back..

    Akash is “jaichand “

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    Bobby Reply:

    Please show me this comment fu ck face

    Akash Reply:

    Sanjeev,
    And, you are Sanjyogita, the luckless bimbo who brought ruin upon both her father(Jaichand) and her lover/husband (Prithviraj) by her thoughtless actions.
    :)

    Sam Reply:

    Gopi,
    why are you surprised about this.

    islam is a supremacist cult.
    they want only their version of life and vision of the world.
    all the way from top to bottom in that cult believe this.

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  • ramesh

    My name is khan & i am not a terrorist,but the real drama in NY says i am a terrorist & i am a muslim. Even though i am educated and i live in afree society by choice. Most muslim psyche require very little to go on to the far side.This is due to the deep rooted intolerance,violence,hatered for others in their culture.We have done justice with Kasab but it will be complete if he is executed.If was in a muslim country he would be in his grave by now.Doing justice in court is one thing and doin it on the ground is another.

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    Ali Reply:

    where do you live ramesh? i will tell you how free your soceity is and how free your choices are?

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    ramesh Reply:

    This is for my friend Ali, the Tibetians are under occupation,are they bombing everything to hell.Look at pakistan ,it was made for muslims only, not for Islam,today they can not stand each other,they have turned on each other for the reason i have stated,intolerance,and deep rooted violence in their culture.Their past is full of this jihadic violence atrocities.

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  • L Mirza

    Muslims will be branded terrorists as long as they travel to distant lands and unleash terror in the name of “Ummah”. They should start believing and caring for the larger humanity; not just “Ummah”. A Tibetan does not do suicide bombing in USA on behalf of Tibetan Budhists. (and no other Budhists care about what happens in Tibet) Whereas, a Muslim from Bangalore will fight against India in Kashmir; or will go to UK to fight against the atrocities in iraq and bomb innnocent people waiting for their flight in Heathrow airport. Leave liberation of countries to the people of those countries. As long as a Pakistani Muslim goes to fight for Chechnya, or a Saudi Arabian goes to Afghanistan, or an Indian Muslim goes to Scotland to kill in the name of Islam, people will continue to call those terrorists Muslim terrorists. The solution is within Muslims to correct this, and not complaining about why nobody calls it Christian terrorism when a Christian commits an act of terror..

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    Ahmer Reply:

    Every faith has its fanatics… as long you have religion and god you’ll have people who’ll believe their god is the best… Human history is littered with terror in the name of a lord…

    And like all things before it… this too will pass… and some other faith will come in the spotlight… and some other after that because frankly… and very sadly… I don’t think I’ll see people do away with religion and God in my lifetime…

    So relax L Mirza, they’ll all be killed sooner or later and we will move on to show our concern about the actions of the next lot! ;-)

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Well, i dont think that is universal Ahmer. I have never heard Budhists killing believers of other religions to show the superiority of their religion. Hindus neither. Jains neither. Sikhs neither.. Unfortunately, it is the Abrahamic religions, and that too Muhamed followers and Jesus followers (Jews were making money!) that has killed in the name of whose God iand religion are superior. And in the present times, it is Muslims. And unfortunately, they are in the weakest position, in terms of knowledge accumulation, philosophical questioning and underpinnings, standard of living, womens status etc etc one can go on and on.. This is not the stage to fight any war; even here, they are negating the Prophet (who camped somewhere till he could get a trained army and attained a position of strength); although they are committing all these atrocities in the name of the Prophet. .

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    Vikram Reply:

    Well this is what we need. Muslims to take on those who are bringing disrepute to their own religion and believe me you guys take the bad guys on in sufficient numbers and sufficient conviction without the conspiracy theories and excuses like – maybe osama dint bring down the towers, maybe the Hindu groups organized 26/11 etc, that just pisses of other people. You do that and within no time the stigma on Muslims will be removed immediately.

    Also this extra territorial allegiance to the world wide ummah is another thing which makes others hate and be suspicious of their own countrymen muslims. religion is a personal one to one relationship with our maker while in this world we all should be more loyal to our neighbors, our societies or cities, states and countries. religion should have nothing o do with that.. salaam walekum to u all

    Ali Reply:

    well Mirza you are ill-informed about what people of other faith do.it is so universal……..read about the ban on burqa… what are the jews doing….what did the srilankan do with tamil….what did the croates and serbs do with muslims…..please read and speak than speak without reading…though i am not supporting what many muslims do

    Ahmer Reply:

    Ofcourse its universal!

    I’ll agree I’ve never heard of Buddhists or Jains blowing up bombs but I have met a rather fundamentalist monk in Delhi who had very nasty things to say about people and cultures. A shocking meeting that was. On the other hand… Christians had their phase of fundamentalism during the Dark Ages and crusades (when incidentally, the eastern civilisations were more advanced, educated and liberal)… The Sikhs had their insurgency in the 80s and a lot of people were blown up then… Hindu fundamentalism is sadly on the rise now with the Malegaon and Ajmer blasts as examples… And well Muslims are anyhow down in the pits with the worst period of stupidity yet.

    Religion divides people… it might have been a good idea in the past but its outlived its usefulness… And so to continuously hold unrelated people accountable for the deeds of the criminal minded is becoming tiresome and quite useless.

    Its God vs God all the way…

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Ali, What are the Jews doing? Its sad that being from a community thats widely misunderstood in the world today (Muslims), you are doing the same to another community (Jews) that have been misunderstood throughout history.

    Lets not blame others for our own problems and faults… it will never solve anything.

    S Singh Reply:

    Muslims are taught religious studies right from small age through the madrasa system. The etachers of these madrasas are rot, literal interpreters of quran, teaching essentially hatred and separation. May be madrasa education for children should be banned; any religious education should be given when the child has some foundations, say while in high school or so.

    The mayhem in Pakistan is attributed to the 70,000 or so madrasas and the Islamization move done by Zia Haq.

    The evidence points that, unfortunately there is no “moderate” Islama/Muslim. The guy who tried to bomb Manhattan was rich, with his dad retired from the top air Force job in Pak, the boy was educated in Univ of Connecticut and in the Terrorist Camps of Pakistan. Similar story with the Nigerian Muslim boy who tried to explode a plane while landing in Detroit. The 19 world trade building bombers were from so called moderate background.

    Muslims in Muslim mmajority countries kill each other on which brand of Muslim is purer – most of the money for this fight comes from the most orthodox and violent sect, Wahabism of Saudi Arabia. Muslims in non-Muslim majority countries fight for separation (Chechnya, Chinese enclave, Kashmir etc – given a chance they will fight for and want separate pieces in other parts of India ).

    On one side one has to admire them — they seem to be selfless people who want to create an Utopia as they understand their scrtiptures, the only issue is that there wont be many to inherit that. They really are not worried about their families, society, counytry etc.

    Bobby Reply:

    “The mayhem in Pakistan is attributed to the 70,000 or so madrasas and the Islamization move done by Zia Haq….”

    With the support of the US, something which you guys always forget to add.

    vdm Reply:

    @bobby

    so its all because of US

    where was the brain of pakis when they got money from US “IMPERIALISTS”?

    NEVER accept the mistakes

    its always zionists, hindus

    chanderkanta Reply:

    We must make a distinction between Islam and Muslims , just as we must make distinction between Hinduism and Hindus. The wrong actions of each bring discredit to their respective religions .Blaming the religion for the action of the individual will make the debate murkier and more heated.
    The failure of the Intelligence can be attributed just to a few national characteristics from which the Nation suffers as a whole , viz lack of COMMITMENT and DEDICATION to our vocation , add to it INEPTNESS and LAZINESS or else how would you explain the case of Arushi Talwar or most recently Nirupama . Neither Muslims nor Hindus , neither Islam nor Hinduism is involved ? Why veer the debate to religious realm when the fault lies in our adequacies as Indians ?

    Sam Reply:

    Muslims are testing the tolerance of the super power and other civilized nations.

    if they push it too far, the right wing in usa is not going to sit quietly.
    there are discussions that if another 9/11 happens, that US should nuke Mecca/Medina and wipe out islam’s supposed sacred places.

    just google “should we nuke mecca ..”

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    From one extreme to another… why don’t we just nuke the whole world and end all its problems in one go?!

    Sam Reply:

    Ahmer,
    Why are Discussions about nuking Mecca & Medina considered extreme ?

    Didnt islamic jihadists bring down the symbols of Capitalism(& USA) and try to attack White house ?

    Just keep dreamin, that it is extreme, while USA has plans to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and teach the jihadists a lesson…

    Sam Reply:

    Vikram writes “Also this extra territorial allegiance to the world wide ummah is another thing which makes others hate and be suspicious of their own countrymen muslims. religion is a personal one to one relationship with our maker while in this world we all should be more loyal to our neighbors”

    It is very sad that you misunderstand Islam.

    Islam is exact opposite of what you said,..
    From the beginning it is a cult for grabbing land and conquering others and making them Dhimmis.
    You

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Sam,

    Please understand what you are reading… I wrote “From ONE EXTREME to ANOTHER”…

    So that means on one hand we have jehadi’s who wouldn’t mind nuking the US for their crazy reasons and on the other hand we have you who wouldn’t mind nuking mecca and madina for your reasons…

    What you both fail to understand is that the most people killed in these acts of wisdom wouldn’t have anything to do with either of you!

    And also… wouldn’t nuking any place by one one be considered extreme? What is extreme then if not this?!

    Sam Reply:

    Ahmer says “other hand we have you who wouldn’t mind nuking mecca and ”

    It is not me…
    it is the right wing people in US, who love their country.
    they will not sit quite after a second 9/11 without doing something drastic.

    it is a reaction to the saudi & muslim jihadists.

    those right wing people will not start this, but they will end it.

    Do not abuse the tolerance of US and other civilized nations.
    their will to survive is more than the power of islamizts capability to inflict dange on them

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Sam,

    Wow you really are just all output and no input… same thing over and over again… there is no conversation happening here..

    “It is not me…
    it is the right wing people in US, who love their country.”

    Then whats your role in all this?!

    Sam Reply:

    Ahmer,
    until muslims understand that their actions will have serious consequences, …

    just keep repeating that message, until they understand it, should be fine.

    Ahmer Reply:

    Then you choose to lead a very bitter life! :-(

    Ashish Reply:

    @Ahmer,
    what a delight to see one of my favourite quotes “this too shall pass” appear in your post.

    The other one is “Remember me only in happiness”.. first spotted both in O Jerusalem; incidentally I think both are Jewish proverbs.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Ashish,

    Its one of my favourites too. Nothing else says ‘hope & strength’ to me like those four words. Have used it forever… :-)

    The other one I know but don’t really use it much… and I didn’t know its Jewish heritage… time to Google then I guess! ;-)

    Ashish Reply:

    @Ahmer
    “remember me…” was used extensively (perhaps still is) when Jewish soldiers/ kids left for their missions.. I try not to remember the morbid association.
    I use it not too often but only when bidding farewells, especially when the parting might be long/ forever (like switching jobs/ cities). Also, when a near and dear one passes away, I tell myself that I should “remember her only in happiness”.
    Best of luck with googling.. I did, out of curiousity and it turned up a link to a short story called “Remember me in happiness”.

    prashant saxena Reply:

    very well said. the answer lies not in blaming people for calling muslims terrorists but in searching for why so many muslims are terrorists.

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    prashantkumar137 Reply:

    Islam- the satanic cult of mass murder, mass forced conversion and gangrape- is the root cause of most of the problems of world. In any part of the world they reach, they start breeding faster than rabbits to gain control of that area, they live in their ghettos and never integrate with the mainstream and what is more, then they demand favours from governments for their backwardness which is due to their own practices. When they reach 15-20%, they syart demanding a separate nation and waging jihad for it. When they reach majority, forced mass conversions, riots and arsons in and about their ghettos starts. And after reaching 70-80%, they start cleansing the country of Kafirs by mass persecution, murders and rape (example- Bangladesh). Open-minded Europeans and Americans blundered by treating the Muslim serpents as fellow human beings, allowed them to settle in their countries and now are paying the price! In India, we can see the effects- already they’ve reached 15-20%. Do you think 26/11 was perpetrated without the help of local Muslims? Open your eyes and see, the truth is there for everyone to see. In India, alas, we have a whole mass of ‘pseudo-intellectual’ pseudo-secular Muslim appeasers and sycophants, who have made blatant lying, Hindu-bashing, distortion of facts and Muslim glorification the only mission of their lives. But you can’t turn the day into night by just tightly closing your eyes! Don’t believe me? Go watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTV1spgb1-k. Go to http://www.faithfreedom.org/, http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/ and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html. Find out what happened in Lebanon and Malaysia. Find out about Kashmiri Pandits, Bangladesh. And, dear ‘liberals’, tell me were Beslan massacre, Beirut bombings, 9/11 in response to Gujarat? Mind you, once they are finished with getting rid of us unbelievers, they will turn upon you and kill you also, unless you convert or pay Jaziya and give your womenfolk for ‘comforting’ of the tired ‘holy warriors’!

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    nationalist Reply:

    i agree about the breeding part: the common stereotype is that their women are baby-making machines.

  • syed

    @Zia,
    Spot on!
    Ultimately its good intelligence which can prevent terrorist attacks of any colour. However gathering such intelligence is a slow and painstaking job. And our police, CBI and other agencies are just too busy making easy money

    Justice Anand Narain Mulla had commented some 60 years ago that the Indian police force was the the biggest organised gang of criminals – this still holds true. You really cannot expect criminals to be good at catching terrorists!

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Syed,
    a police force is only a reflection of the society it is moored in. With all its attendant ills, abuses, mis-uses and prejudices.
    Not many government bodies have modernized in thought or rules/ procedures and infrastructure. The Police is among the worst.
    Here is an article that argues, fairly persuasively, that the conviction rate for murders in India is 6.5%. http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/comparison-conviction-rates-world/
    Now, of the 93% murder cases that are unresolved, we can blame incompetence, lack of infrastructure, political pressure, lack of will to investigate ..
    Of the 6-7% “resolved” cases, it is not unreasonable to expect the same factors in play.
    Influence peddling to wriggle out of sticky situations is not “typically Indian”; nor is the tendency of the police to harrass the poor and dis-advantaged.
    The communal biases can not be ruled out in any country, least of all in India. But, the experience of blacks in US show how that can be fought and that battle won, even in a short time-span.

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    syed Reply:

    @Ashish,
    a police force is only a reflection of the society it is moored in. With all its attendant ills, abuses, mis-uses and prejudices…….
    Well, I think our police force is much worse than our society and especially in the poorer states – the police is literally god in those places. Probably this has to do with the fact that there is no effective mechanism to police the policeman. While most of the police is definitely communal, however the silver lining is that they prefer money over being communal!

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    Bobby Reply:

    Police is always worse than the society, because it has power and authority, and when that happens its bound to behave like god….. As we see in the Stanford prison experiment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

    This is more true in Asian societies in general, and in particular in the subcontinent where unjust, unequal, cruel hierarchical institutions such as the caste system have been in existance for thousands of years.

  • yaj

    @Zia — I don’t understand why your every piece of wisdom should have a communal angle to it?When you say Indian Police lacks professionalism ,i agree but when you say that only Muslim community is targeted then it’s purely absurd and only shows your mental status where you are a Muslim first and then an Indian.So many times Hindus are also targeted in fake encounters but you have not talked about them at all.If you have been honest in your investigation you would have found that people irrespective of their religion have suffered at the hands of our ill organized Police force . A Muslim killed in a fake encounter is a big news in this country and seen as communally motivated but what about the Hindus who have meted the same treatment on so many occasions? Why you did not talk about their stories ? Are their suffering not a suffering for you or you just care about your community ?CBI’S finding of Hindu terrorist group behind HYDERABAD blast is a clear indication that govt. is honest about their job ,but this has not led Hindus spreading some conspiracy theory .Blast happened in Hyderabad in the month of August 2007 did have a Muslim hand and neither you can ignore the IM terror cell existing in India.So, stop filling this fear in the mind of people that they will be targeted because of their religion which has already born so many terrorist in this country.Mistreatment at the hands of Police is a common story in India so stop giving it a communal angle as if we are falling short polarization of India.

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    S Singh Reply:

    @yaj

    Agree with you. For him, only Muslims are poor, only Muslims are targeted, and oh, by the way, none of them is terrorist, it is a worldwide propaganda by the West (well, US did not support India until recently, even after repeated evidence of leT , Jisha Muhamed etc in terrorizing India

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    TruthSeeker Reply:

    Much about the New York bomb incident is worrisome, besides the media already pronouncing sentence, biasing future jurors to convict or face the wrath of public opinion, their communities, friends and even family. As a result, Faisal Shahzad doesn’t stand a chance, guilty or innocent, regardless of his alleged confession and the plausibility that he was set up – used as a convenient dupe with his device rigged not to go off but to emit smoke to be found. Why not given America’s history of using false flag incidents for political advantage.

    Again, the possibility is real, given the incident’s similarity to the Christmas 2009 airline one involving Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. He was also used as a convenient dupe, his explosive device no more powerful than a firecracker.

    Understand also how involved CIA operatives and assets are globally, especially in Eurasia. Pakistan’s ISI (its intelligence service) is a de facto adjunct, both working together destabilizing the region for US geopolitical interests. So-called terror incidents in America or the West are directly connected, perhaps the New York one the latest using Shahzad as a convenient dupe.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @Truth seeker

    You should get medically examined!

    Yes, CIA is upto mischieves occasionally. ISI is in no collusion with CIA; it is in collusion with all these murderous Jehadis. They cultivated these Jehadis to create havoc in Kashmir and India, and now Pak is paying for that, jehadis have become uncontrollable.

    So, the Muslim Army Major Hasan who shot and killed tens of soldiers in the US camp is in collusion with CIA? 9/11 iattack by Saudi Muslim men is in collusion with CIA? The Nigerian Muslim boy who bought bomb to Detroit is in CIA collusion? The Indian Muslim boy (son of hoispital owning doctors from Banaglore) who exploded himself in Scotland airport is in collusion with CIA? The Muslim boys from Kerala who got trained in Pakistan terrorist camps and bombed in Coimbatore, Hyderabad, Banaglore in collusion with CIA? T Nazir, another Muslim boy, considered to be the South Indian commander of LeT in collusion with CIA? Pakistani Muslim Kasab and his Muslim associates in collusion with CIA?

    Muslims are going crazy, confused and backward, driven by a book frozen in time, worried about Umma (and not concerned about humanity), driven to violence and destruction killing their own and others. It is high time people like Zia write or do something to “control” his fellow Muslims worldwide. There is no meaning in complaining “why are these people called ISlamic terrorists” when these stupid jehadis go on creating mayhems all over the world.

    Sam Reply:

    It is a nihilistic cult.

    the fear is this cult will bring down the world in flames and destroy civilization as we know it.

    Sam Reply:

    don’t you know only muslims are worth protecting (even for educated pseudo seculars)
    Hindus and christians are dhimmi’s whose life is not equal to muslims.

    go look in saudi arabia.
    1 Muslim man life is worth 33 Hindu woman.
    (as per islam).

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Wn4gAYWI_TkJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya+blood+money+in+saudi+arabia&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

    In Saudi Arabia, when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the prescribed blood money rates are as follows[8]:
    100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
    50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
    50,000 riyals if a Christian man
    25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
    6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
    3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    Wow! What a great example… Saudi Arabia… because everyone knows how reasonable they are! :-p

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    Sam Reply:

    if saudi arabia is not reasonable, then stop taking money from them
    muslims worldwide take their money happily.

    then pretend that they have no link with them.

    Saudi has more muslim scholars than all other countries.
    only saudi opinion matters in many muslim circles.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam…

    Haha… who is taking Saudi money?

    “muslims worldwide take their money happily.”

    Wow… you should be in intelligence! :-p

    Unlike you, I have lived in Saudi Arabia and I know exactly who gets their money… The reckless salary boom of the 70s and 80s ensured that vast number of immigrants from the sub-continent (regardless of religion) go and work there for a better pay and they did… they worked hard for a living in terrible conditions in a restrictive country but they did it. They made an honest living like any other expat working anywhere in the world.

    “Saudi has more muslim scholars than all other countries.”

    Where else would they be? Antarctica?

    “only saudi opinion matters in many muslim circles.”

    Yea because you have inside information about those circles! ;-) good job!

    DUDE Reply:

    bloody B.A.S.T.A.R.D SAUDIS…all of them need to get converted to the dog pagan religion that their ancestors held high! lowest of all people are arabs suadis are fake people who believe in devil worshiping peados ie// mohammed the greatest of all magicians! creating fake religion because he got jealous of christian and jews ……….

    saudis can all die!

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    DUDE Reply:

    bloody B.A.S.T.A.R.D SAUDIS…all of them need to get converted to the dog pagan religion that their ancestors held high! lowest of all people are arabs suadis are fake people who believe in devil worshiping peados ie// mohammed the greatest of all magicians! creating fake religion because he got jealous of christian and jews ……….

    saudis can all die!………….

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  • ramesh

    i agree with L mirza that this Umma or the Brotherhood mindset should be discarded.The arabs dont consider asians as their brothers in any form,in fact they see them below their par.Stop arabization of yourselves,and folow the religion in its peace mode

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  • Bobby

    Just to show all you backward muslims, how much progressive and in sync with the times, we hindus are…

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Chautala-supports-Jindal-on-Khap-panchayats-meets-Chidambaram/articleshow/5913405.cms

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    Sam Reply:

    atleast they are not asking for
    “death upon leaving islam”
    or a muslim woman has to marry a muslim only..

    things like that.

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  • syed

    @S Singh,
    How many Indian muslims go through the madarsa system in India? Extremely few.

    Further, this can be bought to practically zero if good alternatives such as secular schools are made available in the neighbourhoods.

    Talking about terrorism, muslims are not monolithic. There is an interesting article here…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/may/10/islam-sufi-salafi-egypt-religion

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    shiney Reply:

    Silly article as usual. Atrocities are committed on weaker sect whereever they are. I wish you journalists like you could write post indepth analysis of root causes, but you are more interested in selecting 10 disparate newspaper articles and building an article around it.
    Least u could do was pick up 2-3 cases and go into specifics of why u think the intelligence officer reached a particular conclusion. The most plausible answer is due to lack of accountability government officials do whatever comes easy to them and not really because they like to target a religion. Who is responsible for policy making and implementation in this country? Do you ever care about how upright government servants get shunted out of their jobs for doing the right thing, do journalists like you waste time highlighting such cases? NO….all u will do is increase the negativity, u cant even openly appreciate the fact that there are senior officers being punished finally in Gujarat.
    Do u care about the living conditions of those who are the backbone at the ground level for intelligence collection? Without right conditions and training, u want them to do the same job that Israeli intelligence does……….dont pretend to be a journalist if u cant do justice to ur job.
    Do they even have 10% of the amenities given out to ur madam Brinda Karat, whom u have quoted as if she was India’s Intelligence chief? Who cares what she says, if only politicians had that much credibility, the face of this country right now would have been very different. If she cared about human rights, she would have not let her party do a Nandigram.
    From Bhopal Gas tragedy to every other major man made tragedy in this country, have u ever seen any victims apart from those in weaker sections? (and that is not defined by money alone, it includes those who dont have political clout), but if u would want to categorise everything in the name of religion then there never can be a solution. People like you should build the clout of ur community by trying to take it to next level in terms of their thinking rather than encourage it to build clout by playing a victim all the time. Its exactly the perverted thinking that u have put out in this article that is to blame for the condition of ur community.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Shiney,

    Though you raise great points… I feel your anger might be a bit unjustified. There is a specific purpose of this blog as its introduction says. Zia’s posts are keeping inline with that purpose. I’m sure as a part of his job profile in HT he must cover a lot of what you’ve written about… just because he doesn’t write about it here doesn’t mean he is biased.

    Its like a complaining that a journalist only writes about sports on a sports blog and demanding that he cover world affairs!

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    shiney Reply:

    I am not asking him to cover world affairs, atleast i dont think he is capable of the same.
    All i am saying is that when ur in a responsible position of influence being a journalist whose views are read by many people, he should look at the positives rather than give into flights of imagination which somehow always shows the community he belongs to as victims. If you think whining is the solution to all problems of the author’s community, pls carry on.
    I agree intelligence gathering in india is pathetic, and there are lots of people who are victims of the same, but to say its mostly muslims is ridiculous.
    Get a life and a broader perspective. Whining doesnt get one anywhere. Have u ever seen this author write about the things that his community can do to prosper and get better? Have u ever heard him writing about the ills that affect his community and how to get over the same? Instead we had him writing articles praising Deoband and look at the ridiculous fatwa they released y’day. If u want ur community to remain closeted in a time warp, go ahead and make ur intentions public, so we will then know what to expect and not react.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Shiney,

    “All i am saying is that when ur in a responsible position of influence being a journalist whose views are read by many people, he should look at the positives rather than give into flights of imagination which somehow always shows the community he belongs to as victims. If you think whining is the solution to all problems of the author’s community, pls carry on.”

    I think he is hardly whining… our police and intelligence do fumble up on an alarmingly regular rate and the current favourite bashing toys are (more often than not) the medium to low income male members of the local muslim community (specifically when it comes to terrorism). I’m not saying Muslim radicals aren’t the problem… just that sometimes investigators jump the gun and go as far as to frame innocent people, ruin their lives and then be embarrassed when the court frees them rightfully.

    That has to be acknowledged… and that said I do agree what he is in a position to positively influence and tackle head on the more ridiculous aspects of minority mentality more forcefully. But being his blog thats still his decision to make. We can only give feedback.

    As for the Deoband fatwa… let me tell you… that does not amount to anything… another bearded maulvi who just embarrassed himself and the larger community by saying anything for his 15 mins of fame… such people should be ignored at best.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shiney
    in all fairness, Zia wrote a piece in HT (today/ yesterday??) criticizing the ante-diluvian stance of the Deoband; so, perhaps, just perhaps .. there is hope!
    @Ahmer, yes, the Deoband fatwa “should” be ignored and probably is ignored by most right-thinking Muslims. I saw the interesting NewsX programme where Asghar Ali Engineers tore to shreds this and another fatwa (women can only apply henna to their hair and not any other colour). All very nice. But, frankly Deoband’s constituency is not folks like Mr Engineer or Mushirul Hasan or Javed Akhtar or Arif Mohammad Khan or yourself or Mirza, Shoeb or Syed (Muslims who comment on this blog, frequently).
    Deoband’s constituency is impressionable Muslims with a sense of hurt, fear of losing their “Muslimness” and who are ill-served by these fatwas. And, it is a simplification to suggest that Deoband’s views are not shared by educated Muslims; Mr Engineer was not the only Muslim in that debate. Other than a Muslim lady, whose name I unfortunately did not catch (who had views which were in tune with modern living) there were at least one other Muslim panelist, who should have known better, given his stature than to defend the indefensible.

    L Mirza Reply:

    @Ahmer@Ashish

    The abject and complete failure of Pakistan, the only country in the world created for Muslims, should encourage Indian Muslims to discount Deobandi fatwas.

    But a large number of Muslims fit Ashish’s description of the panelist.

    I recently attended a question/answer session of a new (Muslim) political party, one supposed to lead Muslims into prosperity the “Indian” way (whatever it means!). There were many ‘fashionable” youngsters in the audience, most of them quite inteersted to be a part of this party. One of these youngsters asked a question about terrorism, asto why there are so many Muslims committing the act of terrorism worldwide, killing innocents in the process. Instead of explaining that terrorism is bad and Muslims committing this are not following Quran properly, the speaker stated that the subject of terrorism is magnified by the western press, that only *** were killed by terrorism while the Americans killed yyyy in second world war and in Viet Nam, etc etc.. There was no criticism of jehadis, no mention of Pakistani terror training camps.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Ashish,

    That article is in HT today and summarises quite well the lack of constructive focus of the Deoband today. I’m not even sure why its there anymore!

    “Deoband’s constituency is impressionable Muslims with a sense of hurt, fear of losing their “Muslimness” and who are ill-served by these fatwas. And, it is a simplification to suggest that Deoband’s views are not shared by educated Muslims.”

    But on the larger subject of Deoband’s constituency… education doesn’t really mean awareness or liberal mindset. People can be extremely educated and yet extremely orthodox. And thats universal, the Deoband is playing its role in the a section of muslim society where on the other hand Swamis, Babas, Reverends and Godmen are doing in sections of other religions.

    None of it if right and none of it is distinct. All part of the same fear (of society, god, harm, loss) and pseudo-piousness (if I may use that word) that defines religious affiliation. That panellist that decided to defend the fatwa… well I guess that shows us his mind set… he is embarrassing… but what can be done about him? As a democracy, we guarantee freedom of speech and thought. I choose to counter such people if I ever get an opportunity to but sometimes (as in the case of TV) you just have to let go sometimes…. I’ve tried yelling at the TV.. it doesn’t help! :-p

    @ L Mirza,

    “Instead of explaining that terrorism is bad and Muslims committing this are not following Quran properly, the speaker stated that the subject of terrorism is magnified by the western press”

    Thats just sad… shows us his closed and warped (we are victims) thought process and one wonders what good such a political party might do?!

    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Ahmer

    Just run around the Indian blogs and web sites whose target audiences are muslims, and see for yourself : check the articles and the comments thereon regarding 26/11.

    If you find that only 90% of them agree with the 26/11 being a CIA-MOSSAD-RAW/IB-Hindutva plot, consider it a very positive change. (of course there is freedom of expression so anybody can write anything and no problem with that)

    Also see the level of support for Dr Naik

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ SKR Mumbai,

    So whats your point?

    Am I to try and stop people from supporting Dr. Naik? Or try and stop them from being stupid in their comments?! Or condemn them for being delusional?! What?!

    Websites aimed made for a certain reason will only push their agenda forward… and their readership and comments will reflect that mentality. The same reason you won’t find love for India in Khalistani group’s websites, Love for christians or muslims in RSS, VHP related websites, or love for truth or logic in conspiracy web-sites!

  • Anil

    Very fact that investigation has found someone other than than islamist involved shoudl tell u they are not biassed.. Mistakes happen ..

    for instance recently accusing some hinduaffiliated organization was flavour of the town but it was found in case of goa bombing it was false accusations..

    so stop cribbing and smell the coffeee.. fact still remains recent reactionsm of some loony hindu brigade aside i terror india remaind muslim and muslim only pastime..

    For pete’s sake stop putting forward geo-political reason but n name of religion nonsense we all know it’s religion and religion alone

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    Roshan Reply:

    I feel sorry for the Muslims that so many of them have to live under medieval systems where every action needs to get sanction from the holy book. I have been astounded to see young educated Muslims holding forth on the benefits of burkha based on literal quotations from the holy book! Sometimes I feel like asking “Is your mind working? Can you think for yourself and decide what is right or wrong? Why do you have to go to the book for each and every thing?”. The fatwa against working women is the latest example.

    Hindus have their own challenges, but thankfully they have been able to work out many of our evil systems and wll continue to change the norms as society changes. They do not have to go to some holy book to decide what is right and what is wrong. They do not have to get religious sanction

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  • DUDE

    Please all brown muslims, wake up ……..your ancestors were forced to convert by the sword…….learn history ..do little research………

    Irans great persian zoroastrian (farsi) religion was nearly wiped out by these islamic invaders converting by the sword! they were forced if they never did convert they were killed or they fled…to this day only 140k of the true persian ppl are left……70k reside in India!…….you ask them how they feel about the country their ancestors lost!

    when the mogols came to india you think ppl just said; ‘oh hi ill convert to islam ye coz its the best thing since sliced bread’ wake up……..they convert ppl by force… the eldest son of most of the hosuseholds were converted on the spot, if they never their whole families would have died ………

    how do you think your ancestors must feel that you carry on something that they were forced upon and detested?………….you are following via blind faith! wake up ………convert back to your ancestral religion! make your ancestors proud!

    so mucch is wrong with islam!… yo pray to a blac rock in mecca where the greatest of all magicians body rests…..mohammed….. ….. a hater of jews and all other religions! islam is not a peaceful religion , history shows this……… read above…….as an example!………

    you do realise mohammed married aisha a girl that was 6 yrs old and he was 52..and then consummated with her when she reached age of 9…you do the maths……..peado comes to mind……..
    these are facts………

    what god tells its people that non believers have to pay extra tax?……………
    this is in the koran…….

    pure nonsesne religion! wake up detatch yourself from this devil religion!

    embrace your ancestral religions make your ancestors proud………..reform! rejoice …. become liberated!……..dont follow something that was forced forced forced upon your great ancestors!

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Police everywhere abuses power. The degree may be different ; countries like US, it may be isolated, whereas developing countries like India, more coomon. It is a question of time, as the country develops and progresses, and institutions take deeper roots, our police should become better.

    I am optimistic about the “revival” of police in India.

    Islamic terror obviously is a different issue. I do not see anything to make me optimistic. In fact, it is going the other way.

    20 Muslim kids were arrested in my hometown for attending terror training camps in Pakistan, exploding bombs, organizing cell etc. Several CDs of the fiiery mullah Anwar Awlaki of Yemen were confiscated from their homes in the police search.

    Awlaki has made frightening statements, and in a sense these statements attract Muslims on the edge .. “Jihad against America is binding upon myself, just as it is binding on every other Muslim” , “the important lesson is never, ever trust a kuffar (the video name is “Never trust Them”), “the iunbelievers are plotting to kill this religion, they are plotting night and day” “you could not be Mohamed in the m orning,and “Mo” in the evening” ..Many Muslims worldwide (including many in India, it looks like based on this arrest) are his ardent followers, thinking of Jehad, planning to kill kuffars..

    It is not only terrorism, even attempts at any ‘modernization” have to be justified by the “Book” to pacify the Mullahs.

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    former muslim Reply:

    Islam is an incurable grade IV cancer.

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  • http://not bhavin patel

    i join to intelligence company i wok free gujrat pless help

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  • nationalist

    Am sick and tired of this seige mentality that all muslims have. Muslims are involved in disputes in US, UK, India, South Eastern Europe (Bosnia, etc), China, Russia, Phillipines, various parts of Africa, etc. Does this mean that everyone except muslims are wrong? Does this mean that there is a global conspiracy against muslims?
    Muslims who hate Hindus should be booted out of the country – JAI HIND!!!

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @Nationalist – Ha!

    “Muslims who hate Hindus should be booted out of the country – JAI HIND!!!”

    Why? India is a secular democratic republic (one that doesn’t belong to any one religious/ a -religious group) or were you marching in your ‘nationalist heil leader’ marches when that was taught in class? – JAI HIND!!! :-D

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    Sam Reply:

    89% of muslims in pre-independance india voted for Jinnah and his two nation theory.

    So when Jinnah created a homeland, everyone who voted should have followed him to their promised land.

    Just like him they should have left India and gone forever.

    How come they vote, but then do exact opposite.
    more than 95% stay back.

    This is a biggest joke played on gullible Hindus, in the name of secularism.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    I would like to see the statistics that you quote and the source from where you got it.

    And please don’t tell me to ‘google it’ or link me to ‘wikipedia’. Hardly academic resources. For such sensationalist comments we expect better proof than that.

    Bobby Reply:

    @Ahmer,

    You seem to be new here. The first thing you will realize if you spend some more time here is that Sam and the Jeev twins- Rajeev and Sanjeev are mentally retarded characters, so having any meaningful conversation with them is a waste of time.

    The second thing you will realize here is that many people here have Saudi Arabia as their role model, therefore you will see comparisons with it at almost every instance.

    Finally, you will also notice how some people here, love to go and visit the most stupidest Islamic websites, and after reading comments there, proudly make sweeping generalizations about the nature of ALL muslims…. like someone making generalizations about all mankind, after visiting a mental asylum.

    DUDE Reply:

    I would like ahmer to wake up and become free from your oppresive religion! wake up and smell what your ancestors smelt! the blood from their families by jihadi muslim swords, converting by the masses…………..

    wake up … make your ancestors proud! they never had a choice! …….god knows why you follows omething that was forced upon on your ancestors………convert back to you ancestral religion!

    do some research, learn history! islam is not a peaceful religion! wake up…….. how do you think your brown *** became muslim? your ancestors were converted by force….look at what happened to iran……..how the zoroastrians were nearly destroyed and converted!……..

    wake up……………all you care about is facts which are there before ..all you muslims are typical…blind faith followers never wanting to know real facts……..

    why dont you condem your book on why it hates jews so much, and why the hell would god tell mohamm that non believers have to pay extra tax!?

    also ..little embarrassing fact for you!, why do you whorship mohammed a man who married aisha a 6 yr old girl when he was 52 and consummated with her when she reached age of 9 claiming she was of a child bearing age! do the maths, there are words for people like that!

    all muslim should go back to arabia! only reason it has spread is because years ago they converted by the sword……… and instilled fake things into dumb peoples minds….most were given ultimatums to eihter convert or their families would die! ………….. you honestly think when when the moghuls came they asked people ; ‘ hey old chappers, why dont you convert to islam…its brill….plus you get 70 virgins when u die’………you honestly think people would convert to that? ……….hell no ..they were converted by force!……..

    people liek you and the rest of the muslim world should wake up and convert back to your ancestral religion and for gods sake please leave india, iran, afghanistan, bangladesh!

    give it back to the true people!

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Bobby,

    You seem to confirm what I been starting to feel lately :-)

    @DUDE…

    “wake up … make your ancestors proud! they never had a choice!”

    I’m not sure what religion you belong to… but I would like to ask you how your brown/white/yellow *** came to follow that?! Very few people choose their religion… most follow what they are born into… so you my friend, did not really have a choice either… so lets not preach… especially to people who don’t give a fudge about it… namely… ME!

    I don’t care what your take on what is… I don’t believe in religion or God but I am proud of my personal heritage and place in the world and that you can’t take away from me or from anyone here by imploring again and again to ‘OPEN YOUR EYES’. Keep your bias to yourself…

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Bobby,

    “like someone making generalizations about all mankind, after visiting a mental asylum.”

    HAHAHAHAHA! Brilliant! :-D

    DUDE Reply:

    @ Ahmer i dont give a flying **** about your heritage……… if your so proud of your heritage then you should realise the pain your ancestors went though you deluded fool!

    you’re a typical muslim following via blind faith! you not having religion is basically balls..you are pro muslim and have subtle terrorist tendencies!

    if your so proud of your heritage go back in history find out who you ancestors were and find out what happened to them…….. sure in hell they were converted by force! wake up………

    embrace your ancestral religion…….. dont need to follow it but embrace it!

    dont be pro muslim when it was forced upon your ancestors!!!!!!!!

    open your own eyes and wake up! wanna learn facts go look at your family history from 1000 years or so!

    islam belongs in arabia togetehr with the other 2 fake abrahamic religion!

    Sam Reply:

    Just read authentic muslim sites and listen/watch the TV videos ..

    for the statistics of muslims voting fof Jinnah, just look around.

    secularism is the biggest joke played in india, when all our neighbours are proud to be islamic..

    only naive hindus fall for it.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    You are new here so you should know that Bobby is an open supporter of Jehadi and a soft terrorist. You being a muslim should be careful else you will end up as friends of Faisal Shehzad.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Bobby the terrorist,
    WHere were you hiding for all these days? Were you helping IM guys find safe houses?

    Sam Reply:

    Ahmer,
    What are acceptable proofs for you ?
    Can you give me a list of sources which are authentic for you ?

    I am fully confident i can convince any reasonable and open minded person, regarding this statements.

    Bobby Reply:

    “Bobby the terrorist,
    WHere were you hiding for all these days? Were you helping IM guys find safe houses?”

    I was helping nuts like you find good MA’s (Mental Asylum)

    Ahmer Reply:

    Aaaah… so much activity…

    okay… @DUDE,

    “you’re a typical muslim following via blind faith! you not having religion is basically balls..you are pro muslim and have subtle terrorist tendencies!”

    Yea… you are right… because subtle terrorists go about saying “I don’t believe in god and religion and don’t care about it either!” :-D Bravo Agent Dude!

    “if your so proud of your heritage go back in history find out who you ancestors were and find out what happened to them…….. sure in hell they were converted by force! wake up………”

    I am proud because I have found out about it… I have Pagan, Islamic, Hindu and pretty sure Zoroastrian and Jewish heritage… as do most people in North India one way or the other… Movement of civilisations dictated that trend and the family tree traced back till before the 16th Century confirms most of that… so yes… I am very proud of it and you should give a flying **** about it because it totally dilutes your premise of us vs. them…

    @Sam, with regards to your proofs and sources… you made the statements… wide sweeping generalising ones so how did you come about them?! I just want to see the value of your sources to arrive at judgements like the ones you rattle off here…

    Also, are you, Sanjeev and DUDE the same person?!

    @Rajeev,

    “You are new here so you should know that Bobby is an open supporter of Jehadi and a soft terrorist. You being a muslim should be careful else you will end up as friends of Faisal Shehzad.”

    I doubt that very much… though unfortunately, your ultra right wing standing does make you likely candidates to be friends of Faisal Shehzad or Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur .

    DUDE Reply:

    @ahmer

    at least your proud! so why do you hate all these other religions?

    go back to your zororastrian, hindu religion……. you will be enlightened as oppose to brainwashed by arabian muslim bollocks!

    abrahamic religions = fake!

    Ahmer Reply:

    @DUDE

    “at least your proud! so why do you hate all these other religions?”

    I don’t hate anything… I dislike the concept of religion and God itself and that sort of covers all faiths.

    “go back to your zororastrian, hindu religion……. you will be enlightened as oppose to brainwashed by arabian muslim bollocks!”

    Why is it so difficult for you to accept that for many people all these things don’t matter (or even exist). They don’t care who you worship and how you worship and why you worship.

    DUDE Reply:

    @ahmer…….

    just trying to help you brother! be vigilant and to wake up to your true ancestral past!

    worshiping it or not worshiping, it is still within you!

    embrace it!

    Ahmer Reply:

    @DUDE

    And I’m just trying to make you see the other things the world has to offer besides faith and being on the lookout for skull caps! ;-)

    “worshiping it or not worshiping, it is still within you!”

    And it is up to you to decide if you control it or it controls you!

    nationalist Reply:

    I said Muslims who “hate” India – not all Muslims or do u mean to say that all Muslims are anti-indian? ;)

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    Ahmer Reply:

    No, I know what you said and only in this regard it doesn’t matter if a muslim hates a hindu or vice-versa… India is not Hindu or muslim… hating a hindu or muslim doesn’t make one anti-India…

    thats the point!

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    I have lots of opinion on your stated subjects and would respond in due course.

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  • DUDE

    Muslims hate all religions !

    convert back to your ancestral religion! become free from oppression that islam instills in you!.

    become free, reform, embrace your ancestral religion!

    islam = no freedom of speech!………………i have proof!

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Bobby,
    You are soft terrorist in closet. The day is not far when you too will behave by Faisal Shehzad.
    You show all signs of future terrorist.

    Ahmer,
    I’d advise you to keep away from soft terrorists on this forum especially Bobby.
    Here is the link that clearly states that almost all muslims voted for muslim league in 1946..This link is from non-indian, non-hindu site. Try googling more to get exact %.
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Muslim_League.aspx

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    I will not google anything I have better things to do but I did see your source and I quote from it the most relevant statement that supports your argument…

    ” It won nearly all of the Muslim vote in the elections of 1946.” – http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Muslim_League.aspx

    Could it be any more vague?! What is nearly all of the vote?

    Also you used the number 89% in your previous post… Do you actually think its possible in pre-independance India to make every muslim person vote in a referendum?! We have the most complex and one of the more advanced voting systems today and still the turn out is rarely more than 65% of the eligible population. And you are suggesting that 100% of the pre-independance muslim population voted in a Muslim League referendum.

    So that 89% could be out of 100 people, or 1000 or 100000 and thats the huge variation!

    A) It a fake figure
    B) The figure can only be a percentage of the people who voted and CANNOT realistically be attributed to any one whole community just because you don’t like them.
    C) What does that have anything to do with anything?!?! :-p

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    Sam Reply:

    simple.

    1. Go look for the statistics.
    2. Huge number of muslims voted for Jinnah and two state.
    Then only less than 5% move, like Jinnah did.

    Why did 95% stay back ?
    3. If muslims did not vote for Jinnah, he would not have been such a big leader and got the power.

    he was a British spy , groomed to delay independance.
    That is why he never went to jail even for a SINGLE DAY.

    While congress leaders were in Jail, he forms a govt from 1940-45 and becomes a british partner in crime.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Sam,

    Same accusations, no proof…

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    It is very difficult for you to accept the truth so here it is-
    http://www.chowk.com/articles/muslim-leagues-politics-19371947-Yasser-Hamdani.htm

    Elections of 1945-1946 saw Muslim League sweep the Muslim vote. The turn around was miracle in the Muslim Majority areas. In Sindh and Bengal the league had enough seats to form ministries of their own. In NWFP and Punjab it still turned out to be the largest single party, but was upstaged in the assembly by coalition ministries of Congress/Khudai khidmatgars in NWFP, and the Unionist Party in Punjab.

    Having won 445 out of a total 490 Muslim seats, the League was now able to lay exclusive claim to speaking for the Muslims of India.

    another from secular Ram Guha
    http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2007/10/chapter-week-ram-guhas-india-after.html
    Guha also looks at the Provincial Assembly elections of 1946, which pretty much sealed the deal for Partition. Again, the Muslim League ran on a Muslim Unity/Pakistan platform, and was highly successful. Of the 492 “reserved” seats for Muslims in 1946, the League won 429 seats. The Congress still had an overall majority (927 seats), but the anti-Pakistan Muslim representatives were effectively swept out of power, leaving the Congress with no negotiating power whatsoever.

    http://www.search.com/reference/Muslim_League
    In the 1940s Jinnah emerged as the recognised leader of the Indian Muslims and was popularly known as Quaid-e-Azam (Great Leader). In the Constituent Assembly elections of 1946, the League won 425 out of 496 seats reserved for Muslims (and about 89.2% of Muslim votes) on a policy of creating an independent state of Pakistan, and with an implied threat of secession if this was not granted. Gandhi and Nehru, who with the election of another Labour government in Britain in 1945 saw independence within reach, were adamantly opposed to dividing India. They knew that the Hindus, who saw India as one indivisible entity, could never agree to such a thing.

    Ahmer,
    I guess your arrongance will be able to see the truth. You and Akash kinds are certainly new to internet because I have seen this all non-sense from muslims and their liberal supporters in last 15+ years. Read more…interact more and then show your arrogance laced with ignorance.
    I hope you will not stoop to the level of *T*U*R*D* Akash, the closet laundiya liberal.

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    Ahmer Reply:

    Ah an effort…

    @ Rajeev,

    Even if one takes these figures (varying from report to report) to be an indication of accuracy, you still refuse to accept that this is an indication of the will of the people who voted and not an indication of the will of every single person of the minority community. 89.2% of the voters is NOT 89.2% of the entire Muslim population! Its as simple as that and like I said before… there could have been a 100, 10000, 100000, 1000000 voters but it still would only be relative.

    So to say, “Muslim population decided this or that” is pure speculation! And I still ask again… what does this have anything to do with anything TODAY?!

    “You and Akash kinds are certainly new to internet because I have seen this all non-sense from muslims and their liberal supporters in last 15+ years. Read more…interact more and then show your arrogance laced with ignorance.”

    My first computer came with DOS OS because Windows 3.11 was still 3 months from being launched… My first net connection gave me a blazing speed of 1KB/Sec in those days so I would think I’ve been around on the internet long enough. Atleast I didn’t spend my time accusing people and spreading hate! And in 15+ years you still haven’t gotten the point then I totally see the lack of use of me trying!

    “I hope you will not stoop to the level of *T*U*R*D* Akash, the closet laundiya liberal.”

    Wow… I think you just stooped to levels far below! :-(

    Sam Reply:

    Ahmer,
    Apart from your nitpicking and denials.

    If 89% of muslim seats were not won by Jinnah, he would not have been such a huge figure.
    You can show us, what else it means.

    The bottomline is simple.
    More than 90% of the people who voted for him, did not leave india like he did.
    It would have been better for them and for India, if they just followed their leader.

    Even now they should consider doing it (does not matter if it is late by 60 yrs).
    this can bring peace and a closure to this constant debate.

    Sam Reply:

    Rajeev,
    can you contact me at sam_sc95051@yahoo.com ?

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Sam,

    No, the bottom line is that you hate muslims. And regardless of what anyone is like if you see a Muslim name you like to pounce on it. 63 years on… India has one of the largest Muslim populations in the world… because most of them wanted to stay here… this is home! And no matter how much you complain… you’ll just have to get used to it.

    That will bring peace and closure to this debate.

    Sam Reply:

    You say “No, the bottom line is that you hate muslims.”

    I love every human being, but condemn false idealogies and tendencies.
    Without Islam, muslims are good people.

    Ahmer Reply:

    “I love every human being, but condemn false idealogies and tendencies.”

    Good to know that… but false for who? You?

    “Without Islam, muslims are good people.”

    Come on Sam! As much as I’d like the world to get rid of religion that statement makes no sense. How can a person be Muslim without Islam? Or Sikh without Sikhism or Hindu WITHOUT Hinduism?!

    They are good people still… you confuse born affiliation with personal belief.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev… are you also Sam?!

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    Akash Reply:

    Aha! So Sam is actually Rajeev. hmm…what a jackass. Rajeev, don’t be a p u s s y….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    You are pushing the envelope. I simply do not understand what made you pick up fight with me. I had never interacted with you before. It looks like you are a closet Jehadi who have been using multiple handles on this blog.
    You are basically a **** with no brain. You are just bothered about posing yourself as liberal but your kind of the people who encourage others to commit terror.
    Let me know the reason behind your unnecessary unprovoked hostoility towards me.
    You are picking fight with a wrong person…Laundiya Chaap. Give me your contact and let me show you your real place.

    Ahmer,
    I am not SAM. I’m not coward like Booby and Akash Laundiya to use multiple IDs.

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev,
    I don’t give my contact to hijras. This is the wedding season and I am sure you are busy anyways.
    :)

    Ahmer Reply:

    @Rajeev,

    I’m asking because I’m having a conversation with one but the next post is from the other continuing what we were talking about as if its the same person.

    You, Sanjeev, Sam and DUDE… nothing to take offence on though.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    I am not against muslims as you would like to think.
    I am against the attitude of muslims on issues..You guys never seem to accept your mistakes and work on it.
    Anyway you are free to beleive what you want.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    Apni Ammi ko bhej mere paas..usko batata hun kaun hein hijra..

    Phat gayi hai teri..phudde..dilli ke dhakkan..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    You have asked for it..now don’t complain laundiya..

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    “I am not against muslims as you would like to think.”

    I think its very clear that you are… because….

    “You guys never seem to accept your mistakes and work on it.”

    You just don’t get it…. you are content by widely generalising! I’ve repeated over and over again… I’m a-religious… non-believer… but you still club me in a group and accuse me of something. What kind of thinking is that?! And how many others are you doing this to?! Whats the point? You have more in common (ideology wise) with Ultra right wing individuals from across the border than you have with your own people here. And thats something to worry about!

    Akash Reply:

    Ahmer,
    It’s useless to explain things to Rajeev. You might have heard about the saying that bhains ke aage been bajana. He has an IQ little better than that of a monkey.

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev,
    tu apni ammi to aise hi jagah bhejta hai kya. chi chi. I learned about your sense of honor for your sisters. I am learning how you treat your mom as well. Wah wah! so much from the sacrificing traditions from your family. hmmm..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Akash,
    Kya hua puttar..teri ammijaan ne bataya tujhe ki tera baap hijra hai..beta apna address to dena..
    Phati gayi hai..Akash laundiya

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    Let me tell you very clearly that I have absolutely no problem with tolerant muslims especially Sufi type (Barelvi). I hate muslims who are leaning towards Wahabism (Deobandis).

    I have very similar contempt for Pajam Chhap VHP and ultra-hindu forces. They are no different from Islamic nuts.

    But unlike Askah, I am not in the business of appeasing. I don’t believe in Caste, religion, language, all I believe is in neutral laws.

    Akash,
    You are proving your IQ here..Give me your address and let me explain you how IQ is calculated.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ahmer,
    What % of muslims do you think accept problem with muslim community (not islam)?
    Your kind of people are in minority and that is what is sad.

    Our hindu society is full of imbecile like Akash who are too afraid to take muslims fundoos head on. These kind of people are the real reason that muslims (not all) oppose change.

    Ahmer Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    “What % of muslims do you think accept problem with muslim community (not islam)?”

    Unfortunately, not as many as should.

    “I have very similar contempt for Pajam Chhap VHP and ultra-hindu forces. They are no different from Islamic nuts.”

    You don’t show it with the same vigour as you do against Islamic fundamentalism and that makes you seem biased. You could’ve said this a lot earlier.

    Akash Reply:

    Rajeev,
    I gather that your knowledge about how babies are conceived is not very accurate. This may suggest that you are defensive about your own ability and thus shouting hoarse to hide your kamjoriyan. I recommend you and your (poor)wife go to a good doctor. Don’t be fooled by the random ads of “Bungali baba chamatkari” on DTC buses and stop using sande ka tel. There is still hope that you may not be a h**ra after all.
    And, why do you keep asking for my address? Bola na shaadi ke time bulaenge agar tab tak confirm ho gaya ki tu h*jra hi hai…

    Ahmer,
    Rajeev believes in neutral laws because he is of neuter gender..
    :)

  • DUDE

    wake up indian sub continent! get rid of all muslims! convert them back to their ancestral religions! teach them history!

    the young iranians are learning their pre islamic history and one day will get rid of the mullahs and islam all together!

    indan empire need to do the same!

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    Sam Reply:

    When you said “get rid of all muslims”

    did you mean “get rid of islam” ?

    I don’t think you have anything against individual persons, but just do not approve islam as a political ideaology.

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    DUDE Reply:

    YES GET RID OF ISLAM = getting rid of muslim religion…………..to convert all these fake worshippers back to their ancestral religions!

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    Dusty Jasad Reply:

    Modern Zionism was born as a direct response to modern anti Semitism, the Jew tried their best to assimilate themselves in European societies but all their efforts were rejected by the diehard right wing nationalist/fascists groups. Adolf Hitler (Bal Thackeray’s hero) found an ingenious solution to the problem, he sent six million Jews to the gas chambers. The rest as they say is history…..there are 130 million Muslims in India, their situation is some what similar to the situation of Jew in Europe pre-world war two. Will the Muslims of India be sent to the gas chambers or will there be more of what happened in Mumbai on 26/11? Let us wait and see how time takes it’s own twists and turns…

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    former muslim Reply:

    Come on you taqiyya specialist! Which Hindu has sent Muslims to gas chamber? And which Jew had committed acts like the murder of more than 50,000 Hindus on a single day in Calcutta in Direct Action, 26/11, Mumbai train blasts, Akshardham attacks, Delhi blasts, Parliament attack, Pune blast etc (the list is huge)? Don’t compare a violent and murderous cult like Islam to other religions. Most of the violence committed by other religions has been in response to Islamic violence in the first place.

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  • Gaurav

    This Zia is no more than an over ground propagandist face of Global Jihad. A part of the Jihadis blow you to bits and the other pretend to be your best friends and shed crocodile tears. Islam is on path towards Global Domination by all ways and means possible. The days of all non-muslims are numberd. Until and unless they wake up to the truth and take the bull by its horns. The only way for us non-muslims to survive and sustain our way of life is the complete annihilation of Islam and Muslims. To their last unborn child. Let no mercy be shown. The seeds are being sown for one final Muslim Holocaust.
    Come 2012 the seeds shall start bearing fruit. Let at all Muslims beware, death itself shall shudder, what we`ll do to them and there won`t be any stopping us. Here we come…..

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    Sam Reply:

    Zia should tell us why is it that Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” translated into Arabic has been the best seller in Egypt, Syria, Turkey, and in the Palestinian terrotories for over 40 years?

    It is not translated into any indian languages (to my knowledge)..

    that shows why islam likes nazi idealogies.

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  • Gaurav

    You guys are just old farts and button pushers. makes me sad and sentimental hee hee. Anyways not here to debate your stupid issues. Telling you as a fact that come 2012 muslims shall start dying at the rate of thousand a day. Wish could increase the rate of processing but logistics come in way. You guys still do not get it. This all way beyond debating. we are going to take this to the brink. We are fine tuning our skills. A sample of which has been displayed over the recent years. That shall dwarf what we shall unleash come 2012. None of us gives a rat`s *** what becomes of the Hindus and India. The single point agenda is complete anihilation of muslims. As long as that is achieved we dont care if hindus perish too or the entire world gets engulfed in a nuclear third world war. We dont care if the entire bloody humanity persihes as long as muslims are eliminated. Thats the single point agenda, and to be sure we gnna get it, wait n watch … come Ramadan 2012 wen mecca goes up in a mushroom …..ud remember wat is was talkin about…..hee hee……Ciao

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    DUDE Reply:

    lol fool! destroy islam!

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  • ram

    Read contents from this Islamic website to know from Muslims what Islam is. That will open your eyes to the taqiyya propagated by liars like Zia- http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=21.

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  • former muslim

    Islam means “submission” and not ‘peace’. Remember this. I have read Arabic as a subject in my B.A., so I can sure tell you. I will not reveal my true identity as I can be in danger then, but suffice it to say that I am an ex-Muslim from India. I have not yet found the courage to tell even my parents about my renunciation of this evil cult. I was simply fed up with the blatantly and openly anti-human and unethical nature of almost all its all aspects. Just read the Quran and see how violent and filthy it is. And Muslim authors have taken great pride in describing the gory details of evil deeds of its founder, who was really an allrounder par excellence in Satanism- a rapist, child molester, bandit, mass murderer, genocide perpetrator- all rolled into one. And, mind my words, there are no true ‘moderate muslims’, they are all hardcore terrorist sympathisers actually. The few who get a modern education like this Zia just put a facade of moderation, while at the heart of the matter they are always promoting orthodoxy, always! I can tell you this because I saw my Muslim friends, who are Engineers and Doctors, praising Kasab and Al-Qaeda in private, while condemning them in public- this is taqiyya that Islam teaches its followers. So, beware, they might not be bearded or in a skull cap, achkan or lungi, but Muslims are never ever moderate so long as they don’t shun Islam. Islam is not moderate by any chance, to even an infinitesimally small degree and it has taught only killing and subversion of Kafirs and everything else is taqiyya (plain lying). This fellow is supposed to be writing to promote understanding of Islam and he is advocating the veil and making hideously ridiculous claims about Muslims bankrolling the Air India! Well, I can say that he is really showing us the true picture of a Mullah in modern get-up at work to propagate the orthodoxy and bigotry inherent in Islam.
    P.S.- I have not converted to Christianity or Hinduism or any other religion for that matter. I believe that all religions are useless and more of a hindrance in progress of Mankind. But I do admit that Islam is the most dangerous and inhuman of all religions.

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    Another very mis leading blog. Facts people Facts. You cant handle truth. Ron Paul is the best candidate to go against This Obomanation of our country!!!!

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  • Anonymous

    May be but not of Rahul Gaandhy anyway! [Incidentally, this spelling of surname with 7 (seven) alphabets will bring a lot of good fortunes in his political career, but the question is will he listen and change his?]

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  • Plumbline

    1 Corinthians 13:13
    Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.

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  • DEEPAK VOHRA

    all officals responsible for protecting and looking ater these animals shoiuld be criminally prosecuted & fired. All responsible for killing, poarching, maiming, poisioning, trapping, torturing these animals should be hanged.

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    joe Reply:

    Is that you Dicky V of Lal Sitara?

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  • raji

    devastation of nature due to modernism/commercialism/deforestation/.. Nature does well with minimal human intervention. Our help is only needed when we have almost devastated them to extinction. And does india have the expertise and sincerity!!!

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  • gee

    It is alarming to read about this kind of poaching activity. Sooner the GOI wakes up the better it is for the jungles of India. Our famous jungles will fall silent soon with this rate of poaching. The nation requires an answer from authorities being paid by the nation. You are paid to protect and your failure needs an explanation and quick remedy.

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  • Stacey

    It all comes down to funding and education. Our governments do not give protection of our living world sufficient priority, because the masses of most countries are more concerned with being able to afford the latest gadget from Walmart than saving a species. We need to start educating at a very earlier age that the world with all it’s ecosystems it’s more important to our well being than the acquisition of any “thing”.

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