Muslim moniker is sticky but I didn’t coin it



Why “They Call Me Muslim”, I have often been asked. How about “They Call Me Indian” instead? What if someone were to write under a competing title, “They Call Me Hindu”?

At times, the query may have popped out of naivety, but mostly, there seems to be a question behind the question.I would answer by saying I don’t like to be called ‘Muslim’ all the time. But much to my chagrin, the general tendency has been to put me, and millions others like me, in that little box called ‘Muslim’ and shut it up. This is the reality today for Indian Muslims, French Muslims, Dutch, American, Israeli and even British Muslims. And it must be some crazy out-of-the-box thinking to box in Muslims this way across the world. Therefore, they call me Muslim.

It actually has to do with the syntax of the sentence and etymology of the word. ‘They call me Muslim’ as opposed to ‘they call me a Muslim’.

In the latter of the two formations, the word conducts itself with dignity and behaves like a humane adjective describing the community a person might belong to. It is like using ‘azure’ to describe the colour ‘blue’.

Ditch the ‘a’ midway, as in the former of the two formations, and you might end up getting a euphemism for a ‘potential terrorist’. Or someone whose ‘patriotism is suspect’. When used this way, the word could also simply mean ‘non-native’, ‘usurper’ or ‘inward-looking’.

Islamophobia is impossible without reverence to ultra-nationalism, as opposed to patriotism. A nationalist, therefore, should always go about with a patriot — they show each other off to the best advantage. Both may well use ‘Muslim’ negatively at some point or the other. Every tribe after all will have its failings. But there’s a difference. A patriot speaks the truth though it may give offence; an ultra-nationalist, in order that it may.

The rise of ultra-nationalism — at the expense for all that it stands for — has sparked a mistrust of Muslims not limited to religious cranks alone.

So, a Muslim’s sympathy for Palestine is a sign of putting religion before nation. This yoking together with violence of things meant to be separate is dangerous.

Why does an Indian Tamil sympathise with a Sri Lankan Tamil’s plight? Do we not lament the plight of minority Hindus in Pakistan? Explained purely in terms of human behaviour, such fraternal tugs are natural and legitimate. Therefore, they call me Muslim.

For any Muslim, Islam is a universal religion based on a set of global principles. Therefore, Muslims do not have to decide whether their religion has to be subsumed within their Indian ethos, or the other way around. So, putting religion before country or vice versa is an irrational argument.

Islam calls Muslims to universal brotherhood. This is how an egalitarian religion was founded.

The Prophet had said in his last sermon delivered on Mount of Mercy: “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.” Click here

The sermon was delivered in 632 AC. By that time, nearly the whole of Arabia was Muslim. Therefore, the inference is clear. A Muslim, devoid of scruples, is not superior to a non-Muslim.

In the Muslim tradition, it is often said “you must respect the contract”. So, a deeper understanding of Islam will only unveil a Muslim’s obligation to be a deeply committed citizen wherever he/she lives. The concept of universal Muslim brotherhood is not a substitute for Muslim nationalism. There is nothing like Muslim nationalism in the first place. It has no religious grounding. It’s not possible to have such a thing, given the way politics within Islam has unfolded.

Had there been such a thing called Muslim nationalism, Sunnis would not have contested Shias on principles of faith. And there would have been a uniform model of governance rooted in Shariah-complaint theocracies. There would not have been one type of government in Lebanon and another type of petromonarchy in Saudi Arabia or Jordan. There would not have been a dictatorial regime in Iraq, while having a theocracy-backed democratic government in Iran at the same time.

It is high time we emphasized that Muslims do not have a nation but nations; not identity but identities; not culture but cultures. A French Muslim and an Indian Muslim could not have been more dissimilar than they now are.

It is the ultra-nationalist’s mix-up of universal brotherhood with non-existent Muslim nationalism that is responsible for such aberrations. Therefore, they call me Muslim.

Muslim-perpetrated terror is a reality and the vast majority of Muslims condemn it. They condemn it in Europe, in UK and here in India, too.

According to a Pew poll, the concern that Islamic extremism poses a major national threat is strongest in Morocco, the site of a devastating terrorist attack two years ago, where nearly three-quarters of the public (73%) hold that view.

A Gallup polling over six years and three continents, a sample equivalent to 90% of the world’s Muslims, showed that widespread religiosity “does not translate into widespread support for terrorism”. So it’s time we asked this: should we be at war with terror or should we be at war with Muslims?

We as Muslims must learn to argue off perceptions based on this dangerous method of ‘Googling Islam’. If you want to talk about Islam, you’re welcome. But then you must find better methods of studying the religion and its followers.

There is a propensity to transform abhorrent perceptions about a potent radical minority into a mainstream Muslim movement. Regardless of their potency and ability to cause death and destruction, the guilt of a few Muslims cannot be transferred to the vast majority of Muslims committed to the two Ls — lawful and loyal.

Native versus non-natives is a racist tendency. One only has to look at escalating attacks on Indians in Australia? So, the racist exclusion agenda calls for a global non-violent resistance. Whether you are an immigrant or indigenous is a question of time really. Therefore, “They Call Me Muslim”.

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  • S Singh

    So, it is again the fault of others…. shame , shame…

    No I ndian Tamil (or Malaysian Tamil or Singapre Tami ) or for that matter Indian Hindu went to Sri Lanka to join the suicide crazies like Muslim crazies are doing worldwide. Muslims seem to revel in situations where they can eb the foot soldiers in distant lands – create a problem, we will be there. What else justifies foreign fighters in uyghar, chechnya, Kashmir, and now in Western countries, Somalia, Yemen…..

    Muslims are the only ones who can solve teh problem. Islamophobia will remain rooted in people as long as Islamofascists go on creating havoc.

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    Indian Reply:

    Well there are no foreign fighters in Kashmir, almost all are kashmiris from India pr Pakistan side, unless you consider **** kashmiris as foreigners…..I agree there are few mercenaries!!! Foreigner thins is Indian army figment!!! for crazy “nationalist” like u!!

    And in Uighur i wud say, the Chinese are more foreign in that land cos they have colonized that area in similar way Chinese are foreign in Tibet and colonized it!!!

    similar logic goes to Chechenya!!!! where the foreign fighters are the occupiers and not these small fighters!!!

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    S Singh Reply:

    Indian

    We do not see Tibetans exploding with suicide bombs. We do not see other Budhists traveling to Tibet. We do not see Budhists exploding subways and airports to liberate Tibet.

    Now in Malaysisa, Muslims are destroying Churches because of the ruling that Christians can call their God Allah. Is “Allah” patented? Why cannot anybody call their God anything they want?

    Muslims, a large number, if not a majority, do not subscribe to the theory of nation-state; and care on;ly about their “nation” – Ummah. And this is creating a big backlash all over, especially in liberal Western countries with questions on the twisted and dangerous loyalty of Muslims.

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    Indian Reply:

    we too don’t see Uighur exploding in china….we too don’t see kashmiris exploding in India…..We do see some entity called Al Qaeda created by CIA, or Huji, IM creation of RAW exploding from time to time through their sleeper cells!!!!

    Rajeev Reply:

    There you go…Conspiracy againts Islam …These guys are full of it.

    sanjeev Reply:

    @ Indian
    “Foreigner thins is Indian army figment!!! for crazy “nationalist” like u!! ”

    What about kashmiri pandits ?

    Are they not kashmiri ?

    If indian army is foreigner in kashmir, to me you and your ilk like Zia are more aliens in india. Ask your forefather who voted enthusiastically for muslim homeland in 1946 elections. Let me remind 89.6 percent muslims voted for muslim league, whose sole agenda in those elections was pakistan. Still you parasites remained to suck the blood for india.

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    Indian Reply:

    Kashmiri pandits are very much welcome in Kashmir valley as said by kashmiri leaders from time to time, but to aggravate the matter to strengthen their cause RSS and rightist dont wnat them to return……..otherwise people like u will have no issue to talk about…………U rightwinger hindus want to make kashmir a communal and religious issue rather than geopolitical issue……..therefore you want to demarcate clear cut lines between Kashmiris Hindus and Muslims.. Not one but many times Kashmiris Muslims said that demand for their homeland or whatever is incomplete without their hindu brethren. But the problem lies here that Kashmiri pandits have more affinity towards their hindu brothers than kashmiris concept. KPs dont give damn about kashmirismuslims killings and death cos they have more “closeness” to hindu brothers!!!! For Kashmiri pandits the religion is more important their Kashmiri identity…….Look still many sikhs are living in valley!!!!whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    U blind RSS guy look from some other perspective………………..

    Indian Reply:

    During Ram lahar Majority community from India to enthusiastically voted for Right winger Hindus…….but later they never got that percentage…………..so why the hell u r quoting some election in 1946………r u in frozen time or what…………time changes!!!

    sanjeev Reply:

    @ indian

    Hope you understand the difference between voying for a party with separatist agenda, contesting elections only on the plank of sepaarte homeland, participating wholeheartedly in its direct action day (16 july 1946 ) when 10000 hindus were killed in a day in calcutta under the leadership of Jinnah.

    I hope u understand difference between opting for one party for another in democratic India. Political parties keep coming and going out in power.

    BTW your comparision of BJP with 1946 is off the mark.

    ta Reply:

    @rajeev

    In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

    The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system’s core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code.

    As Afghan schools reopen today, the United States is back in the business of providing schoolbooks. But now it is wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism. What seemed like a good idea in the context of the Cold War is being criticized by humanitarian workers as a crude tool that steeped a generation in violence.

    Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22?language=printer

    I am not quoting AlJazeera Will you agree now that Al-Qaeda is the creation of the CIA and the US is not figting a war on terror against Islam, they are only fighting a nemesis, they had once upon a time, created when it suited them?

    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    Oh yeah

    There are no foreign fighters in Kashmir.
    Mangalore is Frankfurt, Bangaore is Glasgow
    Istanbul is Assam
    Argentina is Iraq

    Kashmiri Terrorist Movement is not a communal and religious issue rather a geopolitical issue.
    Correct. Nijam-e-Mustafa is Geopolitics.
    Same as Agriculture means Culture.
    Law Mean Qawwali

    “Not one but many times Kashmiris Muslims said that demand for their homeland or whatever is incomplete without their hindu brethren”
    Yes Of course, (BTW could it be because Kashmiri Pundits took their daughters also with them? You must be aware of the original Self Respect Slogan of Kasmiri Muslims painted over the houses of Kashmiri Pundits) Under Nijam-e-Mustafa, even George Bush would be welcome by Kashmiri Muslims.

    At the end of the day “Sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone”

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  • Bala Varadarajan

    The author makes a well-reasoned argument for the Muslims to be treated on par with other communities in the lands they settled. However, if they are to be treated on par with other communities, then they will have to accept the rule of law, even when it is in contradiction to their religious practices. Freedom of expression is revered in most western countries. The unholy response to the publication of Danish Cartioons by a significant number of Muslims and the threat of violence that followed is a good example of why most reasonable people have come to the conclusion that Islam and modern liberal democracy does not mix. I request the author to address this issue.

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    Indian Reply:

    well thanks for telling about “liberal western value”. That is the most the hypocrite values u can found now……like can u deny holocaust in west, can you talk in favor of hitler or nazi, If they really have mature society and free expression why are they afraid about talking about this!!! They only use the freedom of expression against selected situations. What happened to western values when they banned minaret in swiss or dealing racism or immigrant problem!!

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    Ashish Reply:

    The West is not afraid of talking about the holocaust; I think you mis-understand, perhaps deliberately. Yes, many countries in Europe have legislation against “holocaust denial”. This is to deny any space to the extreme right wing in those societies. However, such space is routinely granted to and misused by Muslim extremists in all liberal societies. See the well-attended demonstrations by Muslims in the heart of London carrying placards openly inciting violence and promising Europe that “Islam is the answer”, tells a story.
    Freedom of speech is rarely unconstrained in any society. Perhaps you have better role models as far as freedom of speech and civil liberties is concerned in some Islamic countries.
    It is just my opinion, but, give me a European model of free speech and civil liberties any day.

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    Indian Reply:

    Ok. why cant you deny holocaust?. This goes against freedom of speech. And how this legislation will deny space to extreme right wing in the societies!!! and how “islam is the answer” placard incite violence!!

    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Ashish

    “And, I had wanted to spare your blushes about the placards: so, I had quoted the most innocuous of them. Here are some of the rest:
    1. Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way
    2. behead those who insult Islam
    3. Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer
    4. Freedom, go to hell!
    5. Europe you will pay, your 9/11 is on its way”

    I was about to say that to the INDIAN, somehow I knew that you were trying to be nice when you only mentioned “Islam is the Answer”.

    Ashish Reply:

    @SKS,
    I ALWAYS am nice; till the facts dictate otherwise :-)

    Ashish Reply:

    @Indian,
    Holocaust denial: the wounds from the Nazi atrocities are still raw in Europe. Do understand that a large majority of Germans living in those days were directly or indirectly culpable for what went on. That “it went on” is a historical fact; denying this is a pastime indulged in by the lunatic fringe. It is believed by the vast majority of Germans (and other Europeans) that as a society they need to make reparations for their unsavoury past. The first act in it is to acknowledge that the holocaust happened and the extent of its horrors.
    This is not a Jew vs Muslim issue. As you very well know, Muslims did not kill the Jews in Europe; it is the Nazis who did. Their collective conscience, as voiced by their elected representatives and given teeth by their laws have made “holocaust denial” a crime.
    When a Muslim raises “holocaust denial” issues, it is mischievous. He had no direct or indirect part to play in it. He raises it only as a counterpoint to Jews, in the mistaken notion that anything that turns the screws into the collective psyche of the Jews is good for the Muslims.
    Any examples of great freedom of speech or civil liberties from Muslim countries? I am still waiting.
    And, I had wanted to spare your blushes about the placards: so, I had quoted the most innocuous of them. Here are some of the rest:
    1. Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way
    2. behead those who insult Islam
    3. Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer
    4. Freedom, go to hell!
    5. Europe you will pay, your 9/11 is on its way

    Now, UK police did not stop the demonstration nor indeed were any arrests made. This is an example of civil liberties gone mad. I

    ta Reply:

    @Ashish


    1. Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way
    2. behead those who insult Islam
    3. Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer
    4. Freedom, go to hell!
    5. Europe you will pay, your 9/11 is on its way

    Now, UK police did not stop the demonstration nor indeed were any arrests made. This is an example of civil liberties gone mad. I”

    please quote your sources.

    Ashish Reply:

    @ta
    sorry, took me some time because I normally do not follow discussions that are “dead and buried”
    Will this link, from BBC, do?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4683002.stm

    Bala Varadarajan Reply:

    So you think it is perfectly justifiable to use violence when the laws contradict Islamic practices. While we are on the subject, even you (with your seemingly reasonable analysis) can not justify Islamic practices with respect to women. And how can you justify the Islamic civil code which very clearly treats women as nothing more than objects in the hands of men. If you want to live in a Islaimc society, just go and live in Saudi Arabia and Iran.. Hypocrites the wsterners may be they still provide more freedoms and empowerment than an Islamic society governed by Sharia.

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    Indian Reply:

    Well with you seemingly reasonable knowledge, you are saying about the place of women in islam. This only shows you don’t know much what are you talking about or heavily biased. place of women in Islam is heavily influenced by local heritage and society. It ranges from open european societies like Balkan, albanian Muslim to downright bigot (similar to sri ram sene) like Saudi Arab or taliban!!!. But the biased guy like you will always bring the example from Saudi arab or Taliban. because you people dont see, what you dont want to see. You talk reason and rational one hand but forget on the other hand.
    For example The place of Muslim women in India is not different from Hindu or Sikh counterpart rather i would say much better as there are no dowry deaths in Muslim community or problem of DOWRY itself or inheritance of property law where muslim women inherit equal property like their male siblings which is unheard of in hindus.

    .unless you go bak again and try to pick some examples which suits your assertion.

    Why don’t you study country by country the place of women in Muslim society, if you talk about it every where. to me sheikh hasina wajed (recently visited india) looks not much different from sonia gandhi or benenazir from Indira or Megawati Sukarnoputri. how cud they be head of their countries!!!! if the position is so bad like what u said….they dont visit indian in burqa they cover the head in modesty the same way our president patil cover her head!!!

    but problem lies with u in looking selective, when ur minds are pollluted and biased..you guys will always got to Taliban or saudi arab. look at indian moral police like VHP and sr ram sene tooo

    Tanveer Reply:

    @Bala Varadarajan

    If you think anyone can get away with just about anything in the name of freedom of speech and people do not even have the right to protest well then look at this :

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8524043.stm

    “The government in the Indian state of Meghalaya has confiscated textbooks showing pictures of Jesus Christ holding a cigarette and a can of beer”

    What was so wrong in it? The government of India should have protected the people who made the cartoon ,after all it is freedom of speech!! You know what we call it , hypocrisy!! When Mf Hussain paints a ‘certain’ picture all right wing hindu parties get offended to the point that the best known contemporary artist of India has to leave India and settle abroad because he fears for his life in his own country! Where did the freedom of speech disappear my brother?

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  • http://thegoofysufi.blogspot.com Amit Julka

    hmm…nice one…btw I also liked your articles on Israel…It gave a fresh perspective to things…

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    sanjeev Reply:

    @amit zulka

    You should have been living in islamic republic of pakistan.

    Ask your forefathers why do they left pakistan if islam is so nice religion.

    I feel you suffer from “STOCKHOLM SYNDROMME”

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    Amit Julka Reply:

    3 words…GET-A-LIFE…
    i feel you suffer from ‘my idol is adolf hitler’ syndrome…and yes,i did ask my forefathers, and they were thankfully very secular, in spite of what happened….

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    sanjeev Reply:

    @ amit zulka

    I hope people like you believe in being politically correct or either you are a teenager who has made it fashionable be labeeld secular.

    Ask those back home in Pakistan whats their position ?

    Why can’t a pakistani from minorities become head of state ?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Amit,
    You suffer from “My Idol is Jaichand and Mir Jafar”…

  • Shoeb K

    Muslims have to accept the responsibility and start internal dialogue as Zia articulated in a blog a while ago.

    Others can form perceptions based on what they see (and they see a lot of terrorist activities worldwide); and it is for Muslims to change that perception through their actions. Others are not going to go out of their way to study the “Book” and form a nice opinion of Muslims.

    Muslims, through their insistence on exclusion in all spheres, have brouight the current predicament that is totally incompatible with the current globalization, worldviews, political systems, national identities. The result of taht is evident in the utter backwardness of Muslim nations including Pakistan – why else PAkistan be so backward when its sister country with the same race is racing forward?

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  • SKS Mumbai

    “Islam calls Muslims to universal brotherhood. This is how an egalitarian religion was founded”
    Spot on- Muslims For Universal Brotherhood (as explained by Mr Zia’s Click here source):

    “Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood”.

    And the last sermon on Mount of Mercy: “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an — — – ——- etc etc.
    To complete the Sermon add the following:
    “O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust” (source as cited by Mr Zia)

    You can just go on asserting the same TRUTH. On and On. Others will give up sooner than later

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    Ashish Reply:

    @SKS
    The last Mufti of Jerusalem was a Nazi sympathiser; admiration for the methods of the third Reich and particularly that of Goebbles seems to be widespread (“if you repeat the same lie enough number of times, enough people will believe it..”.. oh, sorry, the I forgot that in these Orwellian times, lie is called the TRUTH)

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    L Mirza Reply:

    @SKS

    You are right; it is not Universal brotherhoo; it is Universal Islamic brotherhood. There is no “Lok Samastha Sukhino Bhavandu”; it is “Loka Muslims Sukhino Bhavandu”; obviously theer are multiple interpretations on what to do with non-Muslims. Hence you do not see the catholicism and selfless God’s work nuns do for poor and sick; everything gts defined by twhat belief you subscribe too.

    Only some are God’s children.

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  • sanjeev

    “Why does an Indian Tamil sympathise with a Sri Lankan Tamil’s plight? Do we not lament the plight of minority Hindus in Pakistan? Explained purely in terms of human behaviour, such fraternal tugs are natural and legitimate. Therefore, they call me Muslim ”

    My comment :

    Ziz you should have brought forward some good analogy. This is pity that you don’t know the difference between Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils. Sri Lankan tamils are emmigrants from india settled by the british some where around 150 years before.

    Did you migrated from palestine ? or else the palestinians migrated from india ?

    Similar is the case for malaysian hindus most of whom were settled by british colonizers to work in plantation. they are indian diaspora, people of indian origin

    Similarly if indian PM Manmohan Singh makes case for human treatment of minorities in so called islamic republic of Pakistan and Bangladesh because those people have historical links with people over here in india. Many people in India have their kith and kins in Pak-bangaledh. Further hindus from india don’t go to these countries on jihadi missions like your brothers from across the border keep on coming. Furhter any attrocities on them forces them to migrate to india. That is also the problem for india. A single country can’t be host to so many people from other country. The same happened during 1971.

    I hope you have some knowledge of history.

    The arab marauders have done no good to indian civilization. So people like me infact feel good if america attacks Afghanistan or Iraq because these countries have many morons. and these morons were problem for all. See the terrorism in kashmir had gone down after INSAF controlled Afghanistan.

    If you have any morality left in you answer questions raised by me above .

    Jai hind

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    Tanveer Reply:

    “The arab marauders have done no good to indian civilization. So people like me infact feel good if america attacks Afghanistan or Iraq because these countries have many morons. and these morons were problem for all. See the terrorism in kashmir had gone down after INSAF controlled Afghanistan.”

    WOW *Applauds* Your insane arguement definitely deserves a round of applause and the way you feel happy when innocent civilians are killed show how much you value life. Kudos to you and the culture you belong to!

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    Doctor Reply:

    Islamic terrorism and Islamic conquests have killed more people than all the other wars in human history put together. So don’t shed crocodile tears! Do you think only Muslims are innocent civilians? Why were Muslims in India, Chechnya and Palestine celebrating openly when 9/11 happened? Bigots!

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com Akhilesh

    Zia Ji,
    Posting some portions from my blog I wrote a year ago – in response to why they call u Muslim :

    Mumbai attackers

    Consider the terrorists who attacked Mumbai on 26/11. Recent transcripts of the phone conversations published reveal that they were instructed to identify Muslims and spare them, while kill anyone else in sight. This they could not do in CST, since there was too large a crowd there and it was impracticable to segregate people in such short time. But this they did in every other place including the Taj, Oberoi, Cama Hospital etc. That is why although 48 Muslims died tragically, yet almost all of them at died at CST and just none at any other place (except TOI food critic at Taj, and that too because the terrorists did not know her identity.). Infact Muslims were stuck in both the Oberoi and Taj and they all escaped.

    I raise this point in response to your “one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter” argument. Infact this argument of yours has disappointed me most. The terrorists were freedom fighters for at least some body as per the argument. But if they were fighting against India and probably for Kashmir, why did they specially spare Muslims? Were the Muslims stuck there not Indians? If they were, why spare them??? Why this special affinity for certain citizens of a country, a country against whom they are fighting for freedom (freedom by at least someone’s definition). If the fight is against the country and its oppression, then why spare some citizens of that country? If such so called freedom exhibit religious profiling, is it unfair to profile these terrorists by their religion?

    You brought out the example of Bhagat Singh, Netaji etc. They did employ violent means against Britishers. But there was no hint of religious preference in their opposition. So they did kill Britishers, as they did their Indian supporters. That is why people like Bhagat Singh and Ashfaqulla Khan are freedom fighters for all and terrorists for none!! But can you say the same thing about the present so called freedom fighters?

    Kafeel and Glasgow attacks

    You are well aware of the conspiracy and the issues involved in this. I raise the point in a different perspective. Kafeel was born in India. He was well educated and earned a scholarship to UK.

    Now give a thought to this question. Why do people leave their motherland and go to a foreign country? Why do people leave India and go to US, UK anywhere? Presumably because the conditions offered to their talent there is better. Right? The opportunity could be better in terms of better education, better jobs, better pay, better life style, etc. Some people also migrate because their home country is oppressing them, or does not offer equal chance to them or discriminates against them because of religion, caste etc.

    But consider the turnaround in Kafeel’s case. Kafeel goes to UK from India. The reason could be any of the above identified. Yet in an amazing turn of events, he starts feeling oppressed in UK too!!!! And decides to take revenge. Who invited him to UK? Was it the British government? If he made the choice on his own free will, then surely he would have known beforehand what UK was offering him. Yet he made the choice to go there, and on his own free will.

    Is it not unprecedented, that one chooses a foreign country as his new residence, utilizes its infrastructure, its education, its money, and then says sorry……..you are too bad a country so I will bomb you? Consider the sheer hypocrisy here. A shameless sense of gratitude. Absence of any morals. If you did not like the country and its ways, why did you go there? And even after you went there and found it not as per your liking, why did you not simply return? Instead you choose to bomb the country.

    Kafeel and his motivation

    Now lets look at Kafeel’s motivation to maybe understand his psyche. Kafeel did, what he did, because he disagreed with British policy in Iraq, and Israel-Palestine issue. This is the kind of motivation that most people in the world have a problem with, and that is why sometimes Muslims get branded.

    You know most people, including me, can understand at least in some way, a Palestinian bombing Israel. He is oppressed, his family might have been killed, or if no harm has come to him and his family, at least his country is under subjugation. Infact sometimes I also understand Kashmiris bombing or killing Indians. They are the direct party feeling oppressed and subjugated. Therefore, although we might not agree with them and their methods, at least we understand the reason. That is why India and such other countries, who do not endorse violent means, still support the cause of Palestine.

    What I, and people like me cannot understand is, what was Kafeel’s relationship to the sufferings of people in Iraq /Palestine? How was he in any way related to these people? Was his family ever affected by policies of Britain and Israel? Were his relatives affected? Was his society affected? Was his country affected? Was he in any way opressed by any means whatsoever? Infact Kafeel had as much to do with Palestine as I have. Which is zero?

    Oh yes, he had one thing in common with them. He shared the religion with the people of these lands. And for this reason alone he decided to Bomb his new country of choosing. All his loyalties were superseded by his loyalty to his religion. Therefore, when it came to choosing between his country and his religion, he chose his religion.

    Think of it like this. Kafeel says – I will enjoy all the benefits that my new country (UK), which I have chosen on my own free will, has to offer, I will selfishly use all its facilities created by its citizens over centuries of hard work. I will fight for the right to earn its citizenship. But if my new country (UK) goes to war with another country (Iraq), whose citizens happen to be of my own religion, then I will betray my new country (UK) and fight on the side of the enemy (Iraq). You know what is this kind of behaviour called? At least treachary if not more.

    End piece

    I raise the above point only to answer the argument, as to why Muslims are sometimes labelled. Because frankly, no other religion and its followers exhibit this trait. A trait where there is para loyalty to their religion above every thing else. A person who has been born and bought up in UK for 25 years ( the 2005 metro train bombers) choose to turn against their own country and murder fellow citizens. Not because Britain had harmed them in any way. Infact, quite the opposite. They had only gained from Britain’s way of life. They killed scores of people not because their loved ones have been killed. Not because they have faced oppression. Not because they have been discriminated against (the usual dfefences of such acts).

    Had any of the above happened, we could have at least understood, if not accepted, the reason. But they choose to murder fellow innocent people, of their own country, because some people in Iraq were killed in a war. And what relationship did they have with those people in Iraq, that made them more loayal towards them than their own countrymen – None whatsoever, except that they shared the same religion.

    Many people opposed the Iraq war. There were indeed many legitimate reasons to oppose the war. International law, strategic calculations, human rights, proper justification, and myriad other reasons. And a vast majority of people did indeed oppose the war in legitimate ways. But these terrorists opposition had only one reason. Shared religion. And the manifestation of their opposition – mass murder of fellow innocent citizens. Were they freedom fighters for anyone? Anyone?

    Muslims are also labelled because of another reason. Perfectly normal people, who are living otherwise very normal lives, choose to use all kinds of arguments to defend such actions. That Muslims are oppressed. That they are alienated. That they are demonized.

    Is it not unprecedented that Muslims are alienated in India and in US and in UK and in Australia and in Spain and in France and in China and in Russia and in any other country of consequence? Ironically, and not by coincidence, these countries are considered as the most open, free and just socities.

    However, I also agree with you, that not only a majority of Muslims but a very vast majority of Muslims are peace loving and have nothing to do with the actions of these terrorists. But what is most disappointing is that many educated individuals are not part of this majority. Because educated individuals, like the one I am addressing in this email, use arguments and language skills to defend acts of violence.

    Hinduism had over the middle years been plagued by many vices like sati, dowry etc. But it was rescued by educated leaders of the religion like Raja Ram Mohan Roy and Swami Vivekananda. These people fought against the clergy and dogma of those times, and did not defend the self serving actions of the entrenched order, but tried to change it. And that is the reason that Hinduism reinvented itself.

    The other great religion of the world, Christianity had similar movements across many countries which rescued it from the medieval vices and grip of the papacy. And it was also led by the educated class of that religion.

    When will this happen to the only other great religion of the world – Islam? We are awaiting that educated leading light, who will admit the there are problems in the way the religion is being practised and not always blame others for it. He will be revered because he will show to his people that Islam is a great religion. But he will also show to his people that like other religions, some of the followers of this great religion have twisted it during the middle ages and many distortions have crept in. And trust me, he may well be recognized as the greatest personality of that era. I hope it will be in my life time.

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com Akhilesh

    By the way folks – here is the link to my blog :

    http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com

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  • Anil Kumar

    http://www.dailypioneer.com/230183/Malaysia-strips-Hindus-of-rights.html

    See what that socalled tolerant islamic state fo malaysia is doign to indian hindus.. you will never see any muslim raising this concern but they do protest fro Saddam hussain and palestine..

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    Tanveer Reply:

    Please quote a credible source. When people like Chandan Mitra with known policital affiliations become editor of newspapers, news invariably is distorted and mangled. If you could instead quote CNN/BBC/any credible source, we might as well have a debate. Mixture of Politics and journalism is a dangerous cocktail

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  • Raju Kurien

    the infatuation (rigidity, belief) of Muslims with “Muslim” identity to be above any other identities – community (geographical), language, country, political bel;ief (the only political belief being Muslim vs other religions) – creates the environment of suspicion, differential treatment, willful ignorance, fear, and contempt.

    Muslims only have to be blamed if people are perceiving them differently. They are totally responsible for creating whatever impression people have about Muslims.

    Although Muslims clamour for inclusion, all their activities and behavior, all over the world has been exacrtly in the opposite direction. They want to build minarets in Switzerland. Clsoe to home, everything theyd o point to exclusion, and not inclusion. Arabic is their fvorite language; their mosque services are in Arabic. In South India, tehy wear their dhotis leftwards, while all others , including christians wear it rightwards. They forbid their women wearing bindis on their foreheads, while all others, including christians wear bindis. They want to wear hijab and burquah. They, especially with their drive to sepaartion recently, have funny names, not the old Indian Muslim names like Abdul or Ahmed . Their ministers and representatives refuse to light traditioanl Indian lamps at public functions. They do not celebrate traditional harvest festivals liek Onam or Samkranti; neither they ecelebarte all India functiosn like Diwali .

    I have never been asked about my religion; i have never felt like any thing different. Partly, it is ebcause I do not consider any different , and my religuon is quite personal to me. I do not care about Christians in all other parts of the world. My lifestuyle, my parents, my grandparents’ – all are hardwired in Indian ethos. In constantly trying to be sepaarte and different, Muslims are attracting unneeded and wronga ttention. No community is going to go out of their way to accept a group who want to be different all the time everywhere.

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    Indian Reply:

    Are you Gopi Thomas in disguise… with another name!!! cos ur comments are similar and thought process looks same….u dont have to change the names for that matter!!!

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @Indian

    You can continue to drink your lkool aid. The majority of people all over the world feelso. Muslims have to solve these themselves, instead of complaining that others do not understand Muslims. It is up to Muslims to put their best behavior out and make others understand their good side, if there is a good side.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Guess you are high on Camel Cola..

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    Indian Reply:

    No on Cow pee-Cola!!!

    Tanveer Reply:

    ” Although Muslims clamour for inclusion, all their activities and behavior, all over the world has been exacrtly in the opposite direction. They want to build minarets in Switzerland. Clsoe to home, everything theyd o point to exclusion, and not inclusion. Arabic is their fvorite language; their mosque services are in Arabic. In South India, tehy wear their dhotis leftwards, while all others , including christians wear it rightwards. They forbid their women wearing bindis on their foreheads, while all others, including christians wear bindis. They want to wear hijab and burquah. They, especially with their drive to sepaartion recently, have funny names, not the old Indian Muslim names like Abdul or Ahmed . Their ministers and representatives refuse to light traditioanl Indian lamps at public functions. They do not celebrate traditional harvest festivals liek Onam or Samkranti; neither they ecelebarte all India functiosn like Diwali .”

    This has to be THE MOST FUNNY COMMENT on this page. Sorry but I can’t stop laughing at your logic!! 8D

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  • sanjeev

    @ indian

    i think you are mullah bobby in disguise, you also show your tru clours from your thoughts.

    Else you are some maulana from mdeoband

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    Tanveer Reply:

    Big Deal?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Thumbrule-
    1. Muslims can never do any wrong.
    2. Whole world is conspiring against muslims.
    3. Muslims killing non-muslims is OK.
    4. Muslims are by default becharas.

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    Tanveer Reply:

    anything substantial apart from the usual rhetoric sir ?

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  • SKS Mumbai

    ar@Mirza

    In normal course of things, we should not be bothered about what is written in Quran and what it means, the only reason we have to is because, most of the arguments that Mr Zia presents (and many like him) are always justified because Quran says so or does not say so.
    If PC has to request Kashmiris to treat the minority well, he has to invoke Quran, but for Hindus all over India, he only cites the constitution. Any idea why so?

    Is all this merely in response to the terrorists citing the same source for justifying their actions ? I don’t think so.

    On top of that, there are some who keep on propogating that Islam is the answer for everything, e.g. the so called Peace conference at Chennai : http://twocircles.net/2010jan18/can_peace_exhibition_be_vision_islam.html

    Quote ” I could hear the shrill voice a speaker who was speaking in Tamil lamenting over the fact that the present rulers of the country and our state of Tamil Nadu are not aware of the Islamic system of governance. He was absolutely convinced that all problems of our country will be solved once Islamic principles are introduced.”

    Nevertheless I do see a relatively larger no of respondents (as compared to the usual) standing up against these propogations.

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    Savitambar Reply:

    So if the blogger says Muslims are mistreated, then you would expect that non-Muslms in about 57 Muslim majority would be treated nicely by Muslims to show the rest of the world on how to treat minorities.

    Well, there are no Hindu/Jewish/Buddhist/Sikh temples in most of Arabia and even rest of Islamic world. Where is freedom of religion in Muslim world? It seems it is my way or the highway. Then why do Muslims complain all the time.

    Look at this delirious Muslim reaction to ‘IPL snub”. Why did not Muslims feel insulted when 10 young Muslim men massacred 200 civilians in Mumbai?

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    Indian Reply:

    Muslim reaction to IPL…I guess u r going crazy with ur level of hate!!! now you see everything as muslim or non muslim!!

    Hindu temples are very rare in Arabia cos of historical reasons, Since there are not too many hindus in arabia therefore why the hell there shud be temples…..there are indigenous Hindus in Oman and they do have Shiva temple and other temples there in Muscat same goes for UAE and kuwait!! the only bigots are S Arab…. well we crazy conservatives like those in India too…I mean look at yourself……!!!
    Well there are many Hindu temples where it should be…like there are tonnes of hindu temples in indonesia and Malaysia and bangladesh etc.since they have historically hindu culture!!. or there are many gurudwaras in Kabul!!

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @Indian @Svetambar

    This is the standard line Muslims use always. They want all the “so called freedoms” when they are in US, India, or UK, although they may ahve migrated from Pakistan, Saudi, etc. And when somebody questions them about the treatment of minorities in their countries, their answer is that is their consituition, and that should not affect how USA or UK treats its minority Muslims. So, they find nothing wrong with KSA not allowing churches or temples; not allowing the picture of Jesus christ inside the homes; but they find everything wrong whn Switzerland bans minarets (although they did not ban mosques!).

    Muslims are the biggest double face hipocrytes.

    Indian Reply:

    @Kurien

    You look like doing research in psych of muslim mindset. If anything KSA does muslim everywhere shud be responsible and why do u link with islam. in many islamic cointries this is not the case therefore u cannot generalise it…….(since u r crazy hater, u will off course). and in KSA there are 12 lakhs hindus are living and they can practice their religion freely in homes………..I hope u don’t write here lie to make it more dramatic!!! but I am all for Mallu christians being thrown out of arabia…cos they earn there like kurien and talk hate about them!!
    and christian fanatics like u always have two examples like KSA and Taliban…..go bring some other examples…and have healthy debates!!

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @Indian

    You are right that one can say whatever prayer one wants to say inside their homes in KSA. But, you cannot have a picture of Jesus or Krishna, or a statue of Ganesh , or a calender with a God picture. Those will be taken away and you will be arrested.

    syed Reply:

    @Gopi..

    ..just read your earlier post..

    “For a while I thought the Iranian students will lead the tarnsformation; hoever, teh clerics ther
    seem to have an iron hand.

    Indian Muslims can take the mantle; because with all their complaints, they all have rights more than in any other Islamic lands; but instead of siezing the moment, theys eem to be happy about fighting for government reservations….”

    The part about Iran is proving true unfortunately..The “revolution” in which the Iranians toppled the shah of Iran, took place because the Iranian army simply switched sides. The Shah was left with no worthwhile “hard” support & had to flee. The mullas have learnt from the fate of the Shah. Their revolutionary guards are chosen for their fierce loyalty to the clergy & dependent on them as well. In fact the revolutionary guard establishment has begun to resemble the military-industrial institution of the americans. The silver lining paradoxically is the clergy themselves, quite a few of whom are reported fed up with the shenanigans of the govt. The laity is not going to take to the streets in really huge numbers because of teh threat of violence.

    abt. indian muslims taking the leadership..Has any real revolution ever happened here involving active participation from a majority of the population? Anyway, like we have discussed before, most are too busy going about the mundane business of keeping themselves alive to even have time for such things..

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Syed Bhai, happy new year! I was wondering where you were.. must be keeping busy with “mundane business” (it is not mundane if you are busy with it!)

    I still give the rebel cleric/students a 60% probability that they will be able to get the hardliners out. But what I hear is that the hardliners/Ahmanadijj/Khamini are quite popular in the interior and rurtal areas; and that the student movement is only in Tehran and Shiraz.

    Iran has deep spiritual heritage, they have not supported or financed suicide crazies (although US constantly drumbeats their terrorist tradition), their people are young and friendly and adaptive- as modern and as anchored as any serious youngsters anywhere; so I think they will finally make the transformation. Unfortunately, the whole nuclear issue may force people to unite behind the Khamini regime because of the threat to national honour. Us is working overtime on this stupidity, thanks to Israel and media pressure.

    Why is Turkey an anathema for Muslim countries? Why cannot Turkey be an example?

    Rajeev Reply:

    We want a temple on top of Kaaba.

    Tanveer Reply:

    @Kurien @All Haters

    WIll someone please explain why hordes of Hindus go to UAE to earn money and send it back to India. UAE does not treat non- muslims properly , why not show some solidarity with them ? Is it that money beholds no morals?

    @Rajeev
    You are the Biggest loser I’ve ever seen on the internet! BIGGEST May ALLAH show you the right way!

    Rajeev Reply:

    We want a temple next to Kaaba…Period.

    Sam Reply:

    Kaaba itself is an muslim occupied territory.

    Waiting for a day, when the original arabs will reclaim Kaaba, which is part of their pre-islamic heritage.

    Please condemn islam’s occupation of Mecca/Medinah/Kaaba..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Amen…or Amin..

    Even this ‘Amen’ has been hijacked by muslims.

    Sam Reply:

    Right from the beginning, Islam shows it violent nature.

    Why can’t they build their own mosques, instead of occupying Mecca/Medinah/Kaaba ?
    Why dont they quit those places now ?

    Why do they have to suppress others ?

    Indian Reply:

    We want Kaaba on the temple, next to the temple surrounded the temple!!!! hehehehehe

  • Shiuli Mukherji

    I am missing Mr.G.Thomas’s insight on this blog. Though I appreciate Mr.Zia’s paradigm on the Wish for a Blogger coming from a Islam dominated country and say “They call me a Hindu”, be rest assured Mr.Zia, his views won’t see the daylight.
    That’s the kind of staunchness people face in Islam dominated countries. Fate in a time of Chaos. And when is Time not Chaos? And when is War not a spawnhole of fiends? And who dries the tears of the nameless when even saints and martyrs lie sleeping in their crypts? Search for the answers, Islam fundamentalism and its agony also might be answered then.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    The time has come to treat muslims like they treat non-muslims in muslim majority country.
    The only way these Jahils will reform is by use of brute force.

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    Tanveer Reply:

    Excuse me but I believed I was living in a secular country ,not in a HINDU country

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Zia still maintains “if only non-Muslims understood Muslims well”.

    He succinctly put forward the case for Muslims taking leadership on their own internal dioalogue to sieze control of the dialogue and direction from the zealot clerics, as wella s to demobnstarte to the wide world that there is a different Muslim/ISlam, and they are in majority and the crazies are a small minority.

    As we all know, there is no dialoguee happening anywhere in the Islamic world. But everyday, one hears about the violent incidents, or the arrests of Muslims who go to distant lands for jihad. Since Zia published that blog, theer has been many incidents – the five Pakistani Americans going to northern Pakistan to fight against America, the major in the US army shooting his fellow army people because he did not want to go to Afghanistan, neither he wanted his fellow army officers to serve the tour of duty, the recent arrest of the Nigerian Msulim boy who wanted to blow up a plane over Detroit, the arrests of so many Muslim boys in northern Kerala for obtaining terrorist tarining in Pakistan — the list goes on.

    As long as the manichean divide of believers and infidels is tehre,

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    Rajeev Reply:

    According to apologists like Zia, all these incidents are conspiracies of infidels (read zionist, hindoos and yankees).

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    Tanveer Reply:

    Yes blaming everything that happens on Muslims is a favorite pastime is certain countries.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Madrasas teach all Msulims at an young impressionable age about differences – and as long a sthe manichean divide of believers and infidels are there, theer are always going to be a large group intent on eliminating infidels. We see it all over : to go back to a time of the Prophet; to the boundaries of the early 19th century.

    An excellent thought process that originated with the Prophet, and enhanced through the works of many learned men like shafi, Hanifa, tirmidhi, Muhasibi, Yazid Bistami, al Razi, al Farabi etc stopped its quest and inquiry; Chengis Khan’s attack on Baghdad became an opportune moment for the clerics to sieze the control; and that grip obtained in the 12th century has only become stronger and deeper. The oil money of Sadi Arabia put Wahabism and Salafism squarely at the center, leading to a path of destruction all over the world culminating in the destruction of prehistoric Bamiyan Budha statues, suicide attacks all over , and 9/11 and 11/26.

    Islamophobia is real, based on the acts of Islamofascism crystal clear all over the world. In these busy lives of ours, we do not have time to deep dive into Islam or make an assessment of who is a good Muslim and who is a bad Muslim. Sweeping generalizations get made, because taht is what most peopel do when they see and hear these things.

    Muslims are the only ones who can get them out of this conundrum.

    For a while I thought the Iranian students will lead the tarnsformation; hoever, teh clerics ther
    seem to have an iron hand.

    Indian Muslims can take the mantle; because with all their complaints, they all have rights more than in any other Islamic lands; but instead of siezing the moment, theys eem to be happy about fighting for government reservations. And for teh remainder of the time, whining about “nobody understands us”.
    .

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    Tanveer Reply:

    Oh yes by that very same logic of sweeping generalisation, all Hindus should be called savage for the way they brought down the Babri Masjid and the Gujarat riots in 02. I dont have the time to bother about a good Hindu and a Bad Hindu .

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  • http://- Rajeev

    The south asian muslim who are 33% of total muslim population of the world have no say in Islamic affairs. These people are considered low-lives slaves by rest of the muslim worlds. The proof of this this Obama’s “NO REFERENCE” to these south asian muslims during this Cairo speech.

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    Anil Kumar Reply:

    In prophet’s time any non arba muslim used to be caleled Mawali. They even started collecting Shariah from non arbs muslims till Umar II intervened.

    Even muslim slaves used to be forced shariah on them. Basra was the city of muslims slave traders. Once for around 100 days these slaves united and unseated the Abbasid Khailfah in Bhaghdad.

    Their war machinery used to run on Jazayh seeing economci aggression fo Jazyah more and more people converted to ISlam suddenly funding for war dwindled and these shameless creatures started exclusding even amongst muslims less said abotu non-muslims betetr it would be..

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    Indian Reply:

    Oh GOD people should learn about propaganda and distortion of facts from these people!

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    Indian Reply:

    which islamic affairs are u talking about!!! Why the Obama shud address south asian muslims!!!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Because you south asian muslims lead by pakistan are cause of all the terrorism in the world.

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    Indian Reply:

    Hey little Hindu terrorist monkey!!! dont bother so much about the world!!!

    In 9/11….No South Asian terrorist involved, all from KSA and funded by KSA oil money, strange that your messiah US dint bomb KSA, but bombed Iraq and Afghanistan!!!

  • Anil Kumar

    Even cursory reading of Quran will tell you that book is an exclusivist book the moment you induklge in exclusivism you earn a moniker for yourself.. So yes you chose muslim moniker noone bestowed it on you.

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    Indian Reply:

    Oh yes I am proud of being a MUSLIM . The fact that you call me one will only strengthen my belief! BTW your comments are ignorant to say the least . Please educate yourself

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  • gopi thomas

    Monikers undergo changes; old labels get thrown out; new labels get put in. Islam/Muslims will have to change whatever is the current moniker.

    I am told that the joke running about Muslims in America is , “I am very patriotic, I would die for this country, by blowing myself up”.

    Muslims are the only ones who have separate religious groups in western university campuses – ISOCS (Islamic Stocieties). They promote self imposed segregation, many of them work to briong Islamic governance and law (tehyr eally think they will succeed!). Many Briton (Muslims) terrorists had active roles in ISOCS.

    These societies’ main role is organizing Friday prayers, procuring halal meat etc, amnd some of them work with the fringe terrorist groups. Global Islamist movements like Hizb ut_tahrir, which
    aspires for a caliphate and abhors electoral democracy are quite active in western campuses . (tehse kids cannot do any of these from teh countries they come from, such as PAkistan, KSA , Egypt etc).

    Years ago, I discovered an interesting thing on a visit to Univ of illinois. It is a University of 40,000 students, with students from all creeds, countries. They have an India Students Association (and other countries’ association also). There was a Muslim Students Association (but not a Christian Students association, or Budhist Student Association, or Hindu Students Association). Interestingly, most of the Indian Muslim students were members of the Msulim Students Association, and not India Students Association.

    Monikers get a ssigned based on what people observe and see.

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    Indian Reply:

    Dont say lie to spread hate!!don’t generalize!!

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    @Indian

    It is not hate, it is a fact. “Monikers” are formed by observation, by what one sees. Only Muslims can help Muslims to get out of the abyss. “religious” Muslims will have a major problem of adapting and coexisting with other societies unless you steer your religion to a purely personal one. Otehrwise, amny Muslims will be left behind, as you see all over the world. Some will resort to terrorism thinking the purist Islam will solve all the problems. Others will whine and defend it.

    Looks like Muslims cling to their religion too much at the expense of other equally or more pressing things. They lose the sense of the larger community (of course they have the sense of “larger Muslim Umma”) . It even goes to an extreme, with statements like “we are not followers of Gandhi; we are followers of Muhamed” (this is not a lie; I heard it myself!) (I would not have been surprised if they said we are followers of Jinna or Maulana or Suhrawordy! )

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    Indian Reply:

    Get a LIFE HATERS

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  • Akhil

    Simple solution.. impose the Uniform Civil Code .. every indian citizen will be seen as the equal in the eyes of the law when it comes to issues like marriage and property and adoption and so on. Will the muslims accept it ? Oh no.. it goes against their religion.. they will insist on their 4 wives and 100 children even if they cant feed them properly.. why ? Because their religion says they can have 4 wives and make them baby machines. ANNNNNND.. Mr.Indian says the position of women in Indian Islam is far better compared to other religions ? Does he even know how women have succeeded in other communities ? Is there a middle class at all in muslims which is educated and can take up jobs ? They dont educate their children properly and then say oh we are so underrepresented in everything, we need a quota to correct the imbalance. Muslims should realise taht their koran was written 1500 years ago or so and taht times change and that society must also change with the times. Its no small wonder that an islamic society is completely incompatible with a liberal democratic system.

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    Indian Reply:

    Ok..I am all for Uniform civil code or whatever you say!!!! On the contrary to belief of hindu fanatics like you there is almost rare polygamy exist in indian muslims (I am not including those opportunist hindus who convert to muslim for marriage remember Chand-Fizaand many others)..So this is not a big problem and I guess muslims are very much in mainstream of Indiaand whatever code is not gonna bother them. May be to some fringe religeous elements or fanatic elements which every religion has it (same like u).
    But isn’t it pathetic u just want this law to stop polygamy which is not a big problem at all in India. i mean are you jealous of a guy when when he enjoys more than one lady and you just have to sit frustrated behind computer screen looking for porno!!! go get a life….come with serious rational!!
    but this uniform code is possible in India where there more than half of people starve, no access to medical facility, no drinking water, no infrastructure, malnutrition, social disparity and so on… I guess u must be from any of the four indian cities therefore u don’t know the reality that we are worse of than any subsaharan republic in any goddamn index except that we r gonna be world super power…..i guess first we have to give the people wht they don’t have make them uniform in all these sense…

    there shud be first UNIFORM ROTI CODE, UNIFORM KAPDA CODE and UNIFORM MAKAN CODE…then u can talk about ur fanatic friendly cod

    why u fanatics dont think different!!!look around big problem is something else!!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    BS.

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    Indian Reply:

    That is what the thing is except ranting muslims everything other is BS. Now ranting muslim has become best timepass for aimless people like you who are blot for humanity!!

    Rajeev Reply:

    BS..again. You muslims and your Quran is BS and blot on human race.

    Indian Reply:

    BS…..You Hindu and your whatever text is blot on Universe!!!!

    Tanveer Reply:

    Well Said

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  • Gopi Thomas

    It will be inteersting to watch liberals’ and Muslims’ reaction when France bans Burqua.
    In a plan to make M8uslims adapt to French ways, the ruling UMP party submitted draft law in the parliament banning burqua (actually banning covering the frace) in public places. Anybody refusing to take off the fce cover will be fined 750 Euros (about 40,,000 RS).

    President Zarkosy declatred that burqua was not welcome on french soil”. Ten years ago burqua was virtually non-existenrt in France. The spread of extremist Salafi/Wahbi (KSA) Islam caused women going back to burqua. zarkosy was courageous to declare that burqua is nota religious sign, rather a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement of women,.

    When will Indian politicians have teh courage to declare burqua is banned from india, because it is not Indian, neither ISlamic.

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    Indian Reply:

    I guess only handful of muslim women in france or europe wear Buqa..so i guess it will not be a storm for which you are eagerly waiting!!!

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    Tanveer Reply:

    Who are you to decide what someone should wear or not wear in India? Because of people like you, modern and educated women are in fact turning to wearing a Hijab. No one has the right to decide what a person wants to wear out of own free will. GET A LIFE

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  • S Singh

    Why do Muslims always want to secede from their countries? They want to break away from Philippines. From Thailand. From China. From Russia (Chechnya). They did a major brreakaway from India in 1947. . Then this Kashmiri s–t

    Looks like they can never coexist with others. And they say, it is a perception problem…

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    Indian Reply:

    Why did East Timor separated from Indonesia and southern sudan want to separate from northern sudan. Tibet wants to separate from china too, NE states of India already have parallel government running. tell me what is the problem with them???? I guess it is the same reason everywhere, cos they have different language, culture and society and they cant see it degrading with time. therefore they want. i guess in kashmir it is OK but in china and russia their language and land is complety routed!! Anyway I not giving this reason to change ur deeply biased mind but this is the state of the matter!!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The reason is muslims are violent by nature and can’t live like normal humans.

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    Indian Reply:

    To me you look like more violent and hater than normal “average” person. Though I dont know who you are actually!!!

    Rajeev Reply:

    OK..A terrorist sympathiser is lecturing us on non-violence..

    Indian Reply:

    No I have no sympathy for you ‘Terrorist’

    Tanveer Reply:

    Haters like you should be picked up and jailed for life. The world will be more peaceful

    Itisha Reply:

    Singh ji,

    Just a simple question to your above post. Why do people in Andhra Pradesh want Telangana????
    Why do Sikhs in Punjab want Khalistan? Why were Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Uttarakhand formed?
    Awaiting your reply. :-)

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    S Singh Reply:

    Telengana does not want to be out of India; neither Chatisgrath or Uttarkhand.

    There was a movement . financed by Sikhs from overseas, for a separate independent Sikh land, Khalistan. Mrs GAndhis’s murder was a part of that movement. And that mobvvement, rightfully so, got contained and suppressed.

    What Muslims are asking for in Russia, Philippines, Thailand, China etc is not a “Telengana”. They just want to disassociate with the “mother ship” and be sepaarte country. It simply is not going to happen., Muslims better learn how to coexist with other people.

    They are looked down upon by the whole world because of this exclusivity, sepaartion, backwardness, inability to cope up with anything etc etc. Indian Muslims, ebcause of the Indian democracy are better off compared to Muslims in ISlamic countries.. Why are they backwardall over these places? .Why are Msulims the only ones who go to other countries and vblow up? Why is a Pakistanu Mislim going to Chechenya and blowing up?

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    Tanveer Reply:

    @Ishita

    Good Question!

    @S Singh
    Lame reply

  • Savitambar

    The only victims I see today are non-Muslims suffering from Islamic attitudes of supremacy, hatred and many violence towards them. Just like Jews suffered from Nazism in 1930s.

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    Indian Reply:

    I dont feel like you…dont try to project yourself as victim!!!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You are obviously the terrorist sympathiser.
    Why don’t you call yourself closet jihadi?

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    Indian Reply:

    Since you are Hindu terrorist sympathizer, I can also choose my side!!

  • Raju Kurien

    Terror Update:

    Osama bin Laden, the pious believer, has taken ownership for sending the young man on suicide mission in the Amsterdam-Detrot flight. That great believer in The Book did not care anything about sending this young man to kill himself and another 300 or so passengers.

    BTW I think there is an Israeli/Al Queda connection. How come Israel is never attacked by Al Queda operatives? Would nt that be something? These f u Muslim terrorists getting money from Israel!

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  • Indian

    Looks like you struck the chord. The worst victim of so called Al-Qaeda is Muslims themselves and therefore you shud understand that muslims never support these groups. These group use force and terror cos they can never come in power by democratic means
    . Whatever US wants to do first they project the danger and then attack !!!! Al -Qaeda is nothing but device to further the US imperialist agenda!!!

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    K Reply:

    Hi Indian,

    You are being unfairly cornered in this blog, so I understand your frustration. Some of your arguments do make sense. Instead of criticizing human actions carried out under the garb of religious affiliation, most of the bloggers are unfairly attacking the ‘messenger’ (no pun intended).

    Having said that, I do believe that educated people like yourself should give up the ‘imperialist agenda’ argument. The last thing any country wants is to invest in a meaningless war.

    If you are willing to entertain the ‘imperialist agenda’ theory, you should also criticize the wellknown ‘need to establish islamic khalifaat’ agenda.

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    Indian Reply:

    Wow some of my arguments does not make sense…Let me which are those one…………hehhehehe!!!
    and also the arguments from my opponents which make sense!!!!!!

    and I am not frustrated, just playing around with these little flying monkeys here on the forum, who habitually go to some islamic website and spew anti-islamic venom there. The same comments from these guys you just don’t find here on this site, but tonnes of other website as well. I love to have DO-DO HATH with them.

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    Indian Reply:

    “The last thing any country wants is to invest in a meaningless war.”
    Well then who will buy expensive and sophisticated weapons from USA or Israel,

    “should give up the ‘imperialist agenda’ argument. ”

    There is no imperialist agenda theory. Why US never attacked Saudi Arabia?? they are major funder of jihad and all 9-11 guys came from there!!

    “criticize the well known ‘need to establish islamic khalifaat’ agenda.”

    when nobel term like “Ramrajya” is hijacked by VHP and now it is the hated term, same I guess goes for Khilafat which is used badly by Taliban!!

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    K Reply:

    “Well then who will buy expensive and sophisticated weapons from USA or Israel”
    - If you believe in the ridiculous theory that the cost of war for USA and its president is worth the commissions earned in ordering weapons, you also need to identify (and hopefully criticize !) the smuggling of Opium by Taliban as a source of funding for their weapons. The killing on millions due to drug trade is what the world gets from this war.

    There is no imperialist agenda theory. Why US never attacked Saudi Arabia?? they are major funder of jihad and all 9-11 guys came from there!!
    - How will attacking Saudis solve the terrorism problem ? All of them get trained in Pakistan anyway so the terrorist’s mailng address doesnt matter ! Are you suggesting that religious donations should be banned in Islam if they come from Saudi Arabia ?

    When nobel term like “Ramrajya” is hijacked by VHP and now it is the hated term, same I guess goes for Khilafat which is used badly by Taliban!!
    - Do you see me supporting VHP ? Do you really think Togadia is educated ? What is the ‘good way’ to create an Islamic Caliphate across the world by ‘acquiring’ parts of land from various countries ?

    TanG Reply:

    The last thing any country wants is to invest in a meaningless war.

    Apart from what has already been said, both the wars were not meaningless. Why did the Americans chose afghanistan for war and not Pakistan when according to you “All of them get trained in Pakistan ” Well that might be true but Afghanistan was a fairly easy target, with a non-existent government and absolutely no military might .It was fairly easy to crush them but why didn’t the US attack pakistan instead ? In fact they are giving billions in aid to this country. USA has had a tryst with vietnam and with a nuclear armed pakistan ,it could not have possible been able to achieve what it did in Afghanistan. The occupation has given them a presence in the Asian continent for a decade now .They have well established military bases, surprisingly in Pakistan!!! Are they really fighting terror ? NO Iraq was again an unfulfilled agenda of Bush the senior , this was the opportune moment for the junior to take charge of and get hold of the land and the oil. What about the contracts that were awarded in the name of development to American companies? None of the wars were meaningless. They had a design and they continue to serve a purpose.;

  • Itisha

    Why do we always have to blame the whole Muslim community for any terrorist activities? Why don’t we look inside ourselves before blaming others? Why don’t we believe in brotherhood.
    I have met many Muslims, and some of my very good friends are Muslims. Though my parents do not like when I go out with them. But they are my friends, who were by my side when I needed. They never thought of my religion while helping me.
    Hindu bhi doodh ke dhule nahi hain. Had they been so very good, they would have accepted the Muslims in their country at least. They would not give them a bad look on seeing them.
    Have we forgotten the terrorism in Punjab. Was it a Muslim activity? India was a slave until 1947. Was it a Muslim activity? I don’t think so.
    If everyone has Islamophobia, I have Hinduphobia, Christianphobia, Sikhphobia.
    Let us coin all these terms also.
    Mahatma Gandhi, our father of nation. Have we forgotten the values he wanted us to imbibe? Hate the sin, love the sinner. Have we forgotten this?
    The need of the hour is to be together and fight against the terror and not the Muslims.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Who divided this country?
    Who is terrorizing India and the world?
    Who see everything thru communal prism?

    I guess you are in love with some muslim friend of yours. You are actually trying to convince yourself that muslims are good.
    Good luck.

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    Itisha Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Division of India was not the decision of Hindus or Muslims. It was the outcome of what our leaders thought at that point of time.
    If something is terrorizing India then its not the Muslims, its the communal thinking of the people here. Are we not being communal when we blame Muslims for every wrong activity happening in the country.
    Do you watch movies? I bet you do….
    Did you watch 3 Idiots? I bet you did……Why did you watch it? Amir Khan was in the movie. You should not have watched it. He is a Muslim. May be a terrorist too….Where does you communist mind goes when you watch Muslims in the movies?
    Our previous President Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam is also a Muslim.
    It is in our mind…Muslim is terrorist.
    This argument is never ending….
    I am not trying to convince myself that Muslims are good. It was taught to us. Let me remind you if you have forgotten,”Mazhab nahi sikhata, aapas me vair rakhna”.
    Hope you remember these lines which you must have sung during your school assemblies.
    Good Luck to you and may Allah bless you with peace.

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    Tanveer Reply:

    *Applauds*

  • Ashish

    @S Singh @ Raju Kurien @Gopi Thomas @SKS @Indian

    The 10 ABSOLUTE TRUTHs of our times:
    1. Mossad bombed the World Trade Tower.
    2. The UNHOLY TRINITY of Zionism, Hinduism and American Imperialism sponsored the 26/11 attack in Mumbai.
    3. Kasab is a STATELESS CITIZEN. As were his comrades carrying arms, sorry, bouquets.
    4. Quran has all the wisdom and knowledge needed to guide men; corollary: studies of any other book is useless; may even be unIslamic.
    5. Islam is the most perfect religion, actually the only religion.
    6. There is no Muslim terrorist; only freedom fighters.
    7. If God wanted Women to show their hair, he would not have invented the chador, the niqab, burqua and such fashion statements.
    8. Osama bin Laden is a CIA agent.
    9. Osama bin Laden is also a double-agent for Mossad.
    10. And, Osama bin Laden is actually a Hindu.

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    Indian Reply:

    11. Pervert like you exist all the times.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    12. Terrorist sympathiser like you exist in muslim community.

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    Sam Reply:

    Rajeev,
    Do not waste your time responding to certain ideas.
    Instead can you come up some good list of
    islam says this …
    muslims say this…

    for each of those statements, what should be our precise 1-2 line response.

    also lot of muslims are ashamed to be part of islam (they know deep down in their hearts they are with a irrational religion)..
    so explain to them a more rational and peaceful religion and welcome back to their fore-fathers religion..

    Indian Reply:

    13. Terrorist like you exist and flourish in Hindu community.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Indian,
    and I thought I was unique..
    by the way, what’s the placard of the day? The London ones are stale..
    they were fun, for sometime. But, surely you can spend your considerable energies into coming up with better ones? When you are not writing tracts on Jihad, that is.
    How about the ones below, slightly modified from what your brothers in London were showing
    1. India you will pay, extermination is on its way
    2. behead those who insult Islam (Sam, Rajeev, Sanjeev… the list is long)
    3. India is the cancer, Pakisan is the answer (oh please… go!)

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    Indian Reply:

    I guess you are echoing the ideas of Kali Mata who beheads people if someone not respect her. See, it comes from your religion!!

    Ashish Reply:

    @Indian,

    I agree. The guys carrying placards in London are actually Hindus; Kali devotees to boot.

    Indian Reply:

    No Wonder!!! Nazis too were follower of Kali Mata!!

    Rajeev Reply:

    Muslims are current day Nazi..Actually Hitler was re-incarnation of Mohammad.

  • syed

    @Gopi,

    Happy new year to you too. Been some time!
    Part of my mundane business was finding my roots which I found happens to be a town called Mashad in Iran.My great, great (7 greats) grandfather came from there to India and settled in Gonda, UP. But thats another story…

    Abt Iran lets hope for the best. The govt has paid special attention to the rural & poorer segments which form their support base but they cannot take their support for granted.

    Can the muslim world take Turkey (or any other country) as an example? If the influence of wahabism is removed from Islam quite a lot of issues would be sorted out. However these guys are smart and have unlimited funds..

    http://sunninews.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/sunni-conference-neither-the-leadership-nor-the-imamat-of-wahabi-is-accepted/

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    That is great, Syed. You should write a book!

    I recently read a review about a book on Quom – as to how different that place is, time stand s still there– written by an American author. Persia is it man… talking about Persia, did you see that movie two years back, where this Greek warrior goes to war with the nPersian emperor who was on to conquer the world– I foregot the name 200 ? or something like that.. It was a wonderful movie.

    You are right –these Salafis and Wahabis will destroy themselves and oithers.. It has become a 100 head hydra now. It is even sppreading here.. i am telling you, everyday something is coming up heer in Kerala, and I just cannot believe it.. Somebody shoold have taken notice when suddenly Arabic style mosques weer coming up hetre, either new or in the place of KErala architecture mosques –suddenly women started wearing butrqua etc etc..The new chapter in that continuum is youngsters going to Pakistan for tarining in terrorist attacks..Why, oh why, –these nguys are from rich families, there is no discrimination to compaint about (or there are more discriminated people than them), they own all the businesses, most of the property –just do not make sense.. It is the Saudi push…more later..Take care..Hope ur family is doingw ell–is ur wiife back fro0m US..I remeber in an eatrlier blog u mentioned u were house husband since ur wife was on a foreign assignment..

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    Indian Reply:

    This burqa menace is spreading in north too.

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    syed Reply:

    @Gopi,

    I think Iran was great when it was Persia, unfortunately now there is nothing great about it. My wife has come back from Saudi & is not interested in renewing her contract, having got fed up of life there. Actually I am also working here & now we have to take a call on moving to Perth . Lets see.

    Coming to Wahabies, these people are progressively gaining control over all sunni mosques & mazaars. They are extremely united & working to a plan. Controlling a mosque means that they have the power to appoint the mosque imam & two guesses are not needed to know what sort of imam they will appoint. Imams are in a prime position to influence the congregation which comes for namaaz. Quite a few mazaars are cash cows & that is one good source of funds for the wahabies.
    This is one area where govt. intervention is required to prevent the spread of this ideology. Unfortunately the gvt. just does not seem to be bothered, despite what the home minister says. Here in UP, a close muslim confidante of madam CM is a wahabi!

    We seem to have adopted a passive posture — be prepared and wait for a terrorist attack instead of proactively taking steps to stop the spread of this ideology.

  • SKS Mumbai

    “Division of India was not the decision of Hindus or Muslims. It was the outcome of what our leaders thought at that point of time”
    Our Leaders? Names Please?

    “If something is terrorizing India then its not the Muslims, its the communal thinking of the people here”
    Who are these people? Bigoted Fascist Hindutva Hate Mongerers.

    “Are we not being communal when we blame Muslims for every wrong activity happening in the country”.

    Some corrections first, it is not just what is happening in OUR country alone.
    But Otherwise I am in full agreement with you. As you said Hate the sin, not the Sinner (or was it Gandhi?), so we must not hate Muslims.

    “I am not trying to convince myself that Muslims are good. It was TAUGHT to us”
    Bull’s Eye, Perhaps?

    “Let me remind you if you have forgotten,”Mazhab nahi sikhata, aapas me vair rakhna”

    This one is 100% Bull’s Eye. I have been telling the bigoted Sanghis to stop hating and to start singing “Mazhab nahi sikhata etc.” every morning and once in the evening. But they are so communal so communal, they don’t want to sing that song at all and keep on terrorising the rest of us Indians.

    But as long as people like you are there, there is hope. The need of the hour is that people like you come forward and work sincerely towards eradicating all communalism Your wishing that Allah give us peace can only fructify, if there are people like you to provide Right-Guidance.
    That is why it is said Peace be upon those who are “Rightly-Guided”

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Itisha,
    [Division of India was not the decision of Hindus or Muslims. It was the outcome of what our leaders thought at that point of time.]
    You are wrong about this. It was Sir Syed Ahmed Khan followed by Iqbal who gave birth to the idea that hindu and muslims are two nations and can not co-exist together. It was Jinnah who used terror (mass scale rioting) during direct action day to blackmail spineless congress to give in to the demands of pakistan. Pl. read for god sake.

    [If something is terrorizing India then its not the Muslims, its the communal thinking of the people here. Are we not being communal when we blame Muslims for every wrong activity happening in the country.]
    Again the same non-sense. The first act of terror against India was direct action day (by muslims) followed by unending riots till 1992. It was only after hindu reply in 1992 muslims started realizing that Hindus were no longer cowrads (Gandhi once said Hindus are cowards and muslim are bullies). Most of the hindus have no problem in admitting that Allah and Bhagwan are one and the same but can any muslim agree to this. So who is communal?

    [Do you watch movies? I bet you do….
    Did you watch 3 Idiots? I bet you did……Why did you watch it? Amir Khan was in the movie. You should not have watched it. He is a Muslim. May be a terrorist too….Where does you communist mind goes when you watch Muslims in the movies?]
    Don’t preach if you don’t understand the issue. I don’t see anyone thru the prism of religion. I consider Amir Khan a great actor but the day he starts saying “muslim muslim Islam Islam”, he will become a communal person for me. You are a nut for sure.

    [Our previous President Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam is also a Muslim.]
    Yes, he is a muslim who respects other religions including HINDUISM unlike most of the muslims. Most of the Indian muslims do not consider him a role model because he keeps committing Shirk (read what this means). Did you see any muslim protest in Kalam’s favor when he was denied presidentship by communal congress.

    [It is in our mind…Muslim is terrorist.
    This argument is never ending….]
    You kind of naive people simply can not make that difference. There are many muslims who do not believe in violence but believe me 99.999999% muslim want Islam to dominate over others and are overtly communal.

    [I am not trying to convince myself that Muslims are good. It was taught to us. Let me remind you if you have forgotten,”Mazhab nahi sikhata, aapas me vair rakhna”.]
    The same Iqbal who wrote this song demanded Pakistan based on ideology that hindus and muslims can’t co-exist so keep this non-sense to yourself.

    [Hope you remember these lines which you must have sung during your school assemblies.
    Good Luck to you and may Allah bless you with peace.]
    I remember lot of things from school but in real life these are pure non-sense. We Indians are emotional fool so we keep harping on peace just to hide our cowardice.
    I don’t want peace from your Allah because your allah is vengeful and narrow minded whereas mine is not. May your muslim boyfriend bless you with jihadi son.

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    Indian Reply:

    BS.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I don’t value inputs of terrorist sympathisers.

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    Indian Reply:

    Look, who is talking about values, A Hindu terrorist!!

    Rajeev Reply:

    A hindu terrorist is an oxymoron.

    You muslims are born terrorist because you mohammad was the first terrorist that world ever saw.

    Tanveer Reply:

    Hindus are terrorist by the very same logic that you brand Muslims as ones.

  • SKS Mumbai

    @Indian
    You are right. Nazis killed Jews because they were inspired by Kalimata.
    But see the treachery of these followers of Kali, today they have managed to forge an Hindutva-Zionist alliance with the same Jews to harm Islam and Muslims. Foolish jews don’t realize that they are helping those who provided the ideology for Oppression of Jews.

    Now look at Al Qaeda, as you said, it is nothing but a device to further US’ imperialist design and not surprisingly Zionists happen to be their main partners. Some belive, that it is actually US which is being used by the Zionist for their own objectives. So it does seem that Islam and Muslims are not only oppressed by this Imperial-Zionist-Hindutva combine, but they are also made to look like the agressors.

    Probably, it is time to think whether Muslims can withstand such a treacherous and powerful alliance which not only owns a lethal war machinery but also a sophiticated propoganda machinery?

    Frankly, Muslims must get some help from the all powerful Allah, now, otherwise Hereafter is their only hope. But it is really interesting that these powers also want to expedite this Journey.

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  • Kishan

    This blog by Zia is a product of some deep sense of guilt and efforts to put the blame for that guilt on others. That is why the laboured arguments by most Muslim writers.Better don’t give any. What is ultra-nationalism? How can the sympathy of Indian Tamils for Lankan Tamils be compared with Zia’s for Palestinians on the ground of religion? This is wrong logic.

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    Tanveer Reply:

    BS

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  • SKS Mumbai

    @Indian
    Your guess about VHP’s Ram Rajya may be correct. Please list some sources (sources espousing the ram rajya) where I can get some information on what exactly is the plan?
    As for Calliphate, I can tell you some dependable sources for example “Reliance of the Traveller and Tools for the Worshipper” – A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”. This is an English translation, edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, of the original Arabic, referred to as the Umdat al-Salik, authored by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 1368 A.D.). http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller-Classic-Islamic-Al-Salik/dp/0915957728#reader_0915957728. Most Importantly, this happens to be first translation of a standard Islamic legal reference in a European language to be certified by al-Azhar, University saying : “We certify that the above mentioned translation corresponds to the Arabic Original and conforms to the practices and faith of orthodox Sunni Islam …”
    Now only a few gems: Besides explaining the Obligatory Character of the Caliphate, it clarifies that “among the qualifications of the caliph are that he be: (a) Muslim (H: so that he may see to the best interests of Islam and the Muslims”. Of course, appointing a non-Muslim, even to rule over non-Muslims is out of question.

    On the easiest one of Jihad: Quote “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion” Unquote. Very interestingly, it call this as the Lesser jihad, which incidentally is not the opinion of India’s Dar-ul-uloom.
    Quote “The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus (def: b7) is such Koranic verses as:-1- “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216); -2- “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran 4:89); -3- “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36);and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah” Unquote

    Later it explains that Jihad is Communal Obligation, which is considered superior to the personal obligation in that the person performing it fulfills the need of the Islamic Nation (Umma). For our immediate interest, it Quote “As for subsequent times (i.e post Prophet), there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.
    The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, “Jihad is a communal obligation,” meaning upon the Muslims each year” Unquote

    The second one is the defensive one which is claimed by the apologists to be the only basis for violent Jihad.

    Quote “Who is obligated to fight in Jihad upon (O: to perform jihad when it is a communal obligation are every able bodied man who has reached puberty and is sane” Unquote (some exceptions are listed).
    As for the other claim that only a Caliph can call for Jihad, the Manual is precise: Quote “It is offensive to conduct a military expedition against hostile non-Muslims without the caliph’s permission (A: though if there is no caliph (def: o25), no permission is required)” Unquote

    Before any one start jumping to claim that it is only for “Hostile” non-muslims, read further: Quote” The Objectives of Jihad: The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until
    they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax” Unquote.

    So we see what is meant by “HOSTILE” non-muslims.
    Second para under objectives of Jihad: Quote “A Caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) [n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi')]”Unquote
    Idolaters, praise the HANAFI’s for their generosity.

    As for another theme in our secularistion project that jizya (the poll tax) was just some tax on Non –Muslims, the manual clarifies in one place that paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself. But later on, it says that Jizya is to be collected with leniency and politeness, as are all debts, and is not levied on women, children, or the insane..

    What else accompanies Jizya : Quote Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:
    -1- are penalized for committing adultery or theft, thought not for drunkenness;
    -2- are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);
    -3- are not greeted with “as-Salamu ‘alaykum”;
    -4- must keep to the side of the street;
    -5- may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims’ buildings, though if they
    acquire a tall house, it is not razed;
    -6- are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display
    crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals
    and feastdays;
    -7- and are forbidden to build new churches” Unquote

    Although, these benedictions are not perpetual and will help you only till “final descent of Jesus, after which nothing but Islam will be accepted from them.

    There are other praiseworthy provisions, but my real interest right now is in VHP’s Ram Rajya. So please let me know the sources.

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    Indian Reply:

    Well you can always cite the sources supporting your point of view!!!
    I can bring similar or more harder values from Christian and Hindu sources and then we can debate till eternity. I don’t want to give examples if you are well read guy you know the sources too and when and where this happened in history!!

    The problem is you don’t want to believe it, because you are deeply biased thinker!! Think objectively!!

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    Anger Reply:

    Again a vague reply! Why don’t you quote your sources? This is the typical dumb attitude Muslims adapt when they can’t win any argumaent!

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  • http://- Rajeev

    SKS,
    Was that from Nazi manual?

    The time has come that muslims reciprocate the freedom offered to them in non-muslim countries by giving equal freedom to non-muslims in muslim majority country.

    I demand a temple next to Kaaba in Mecca if muslims don’t give up claims on temples in Ayodyha, Mathura and Kashi.

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  • SKS Mumbai

    Oh wow, so a document certified by Al-Azhar University is like Hard Line view?

    Well I am not that well read, please do let me know where find Ram Rajya Manuals?
    As you are so confident that you can bring an equally hardline source and presumably also authenticated by someone like RSS or VHP types, please do so. It may not be online, tell me name of the book, I will buy it. I seriously need it.

    BTW, if you are interested enough, I can also point you to Quran and Hadith sources with adequate examples as set by the model for all humanity. The reason I did not do it, was there are many here who believe anything can be interpreted to mean whatever one wishes to. So probably, what we should concern ourselves with is something more like a mainstream or one among the mainstream positions, not necessarily one which many people practice, but certainly something which many people do not object to.

    Incidentally, the document I have quoted also explains that:
    “The four Sunni schools of Islamic law, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’I, and Hanbali, are identical in approximately 75 percent of their legal conclusions, while the remaining questions, variances within a single family of explainers of the Holy Koran and prophetic sunna, are traceable to methodological differences in understanding or authentication of the primary textual evidence, differing viewpoints sometimes reflected in even a single school. The present volume, “Umdat al-salik [The reliance of the traveler], represents one of the finest and most reliable short works in Shafi’i jurisprudence, a school with perhaps fewer scholarly differences on rulings than others because its main resource is the recension of Imam Nawawi, the great thirteenth-century Shafi’i hadith scholar and jurisprudent who upgraded the work of previous generations in terms of the authenticity and application of hadith evidence. The author of Umdat al-salik, Ibn Naqib, closely follows the order and conclusions of Nawawi’s encyclopedic al-Majmu: sharh al-Muhadhdhab [The compendium: an exegesis of the “The rarefication”] with its addendum, al-Takmila [The completion], by Ibn Naquib’s own sheikh, Taqi al-Din Subki. The present volume is virtually an index of the conclusions of the Majmu, and readers interested in evidence from Koran and hadith for the rulings of the present volume can find them there, or, Allah willing, in a forthcoming sister-work to be called The Guidance of the Traveller.

    There is a lot more there, self explanatory as you will notice.

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    Indian Reply:

    Here you go!!!

    http://bit.ly/9b2u7Q

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    Rajeev Reply:

    But than Manu laws are largely ignored by hindus and hindus are ready to consign it to dustbin but can you consign QURAN and criminal MOhammad to dustbin.

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    Indian Reply:

    Really to the dustbin, I don’t think so!!!!!!

    Anyway lookup carefully in the webpage there are many references to Rig-Veda, Atharva Veda, Aithareya Brahmana, Bhagavad-Gita as well. How many books are you gonna junk now!!

  • Shoeb K

    The future of Islam is doomed unless it goes through a “reformation”. The killings that is happening between Muslims and Muslims will eventually lead to that.

    Adaptation, absorption, renewal, etc are keys for any philosophy to survive and grow. Islam, maily Wahabi Islam, has not only resisted that; but gone out of their way to drag it to the “starting point” as it was in 650 AD.
    The burqua, beard, hijab etc aer all false identities promoted by Wahabis with the Saudi money.

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    Indian Reply:

    I agree with you regarding reformation.

    but as you said “The burqua, beard, hijab etc”, are these things gonna make Islam doomed…… I think you are exagerrating small problems here!!!

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  • SKS Mumbai

    @Indian
    So this is how a NON biased thinker behaves, to link to a criticism of Manu smriti, when asked to provide VHP’s vision of Ram Rajya?

    Nevertheless, the question was to list some sources (sources espousing the ram rajya), and/or an equally hardline source and presumably also authenticated by someone like RSS or VHP types” I hope you realize the difference between the two.

    Now, I can get into explaining why Manusmriti does not have the same authority as Shruti, or that the questionable verses are later day interpolations, or that you will hardly find a Hindu using Manusmriti at all or using it as a religious text and blah blah blah. Or I could also point out to what Rajeev said, that hindus have consigned it to dust bin, or as another Hindu Fanatic on this website commented some time back, that he would “Urinate” on manusmriti in Public. But in your scheme of things, these might be (any may be rightly so) mere Hindu apologetics.

    So Let us indeed focus on what VHP has to say about Manusmriti (hopefully their view of Manusmriti must be integral to the concept of Ram Rajya they are espousing):

    Quote “The Vishva Hindu Parishad totally rejects the “Manu Smriti” as it has no place in a civilized & cultured society. The Srimadbhagavad Gita is, in fact, the “Adi Manu Smriti” (Original Code/Law of Manu) as revealed and related by Bhagwan Sri Krishna in Chapter IV of the Gita. The Dharma Sansad and the Maargadarshak Mandal of Vishva Hindu Parishad constituted of Dharmacharyas, Sants, Mahamandaleshwars and Mahants have totally rejected caste untouchability as prevalent in the Hindu society today. They have decided to give ‘Mantra Deekshaa (initiation)’ without any discrimination. Unquote
    Source : http://vhp.org/?page_id=775.

    That VHP arrives at this conclusion (or at least pretends to) by blaming Muslim rule or British rule, is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they Reject Manusmriti and because they think it does not belong to a civilized society”

    So of course you are free to compare VHP’s Ramrajya with AL-Azhar Univ’s Calliphate, but if you want to be treated with
    any seriousness, you would do better to criticize VHP for what is actually wrong with them, not for what you and your ilk want to believe about them. But perhaps that would be a Biased thinker in your opinion so be it.

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    Indian Reply:

    Wow …when you quote some unknown Islamic text then you pretend that everybody follows it. Leave alone follow I am sure majority of muslim does not know if it exists!!

    “: Quote Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:
    -1- are penalized for committing adultery or theft, thought not for drunkenness;
    -2- are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);
    -3- are not greeted with “as-Salamu ‘alaykum”;
    -4- must keep to the side of the street;
    -5- may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims’ buildings, though if they
    acquire a tall house, it is not razed;
    -6- are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display
    crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals
    and feastdays;
    -7- and are forbidden to build new churches” Unquote ”

    WHO FOLLOWS THIS…..why to bother about it!!!! this all is archaic unless you are right winger like taliban!! anyway biased guys like you will always something like this!!!!

    And when it comes to hindu text you say it has been junked!!! smart answers…huhh!!
    The similar way you quoted VHP which is trying to improve the face value.
    Just by junking does not undo the bad deeds of hindu text. Look what has happened throughout history and now!!!!
    So if manu smriti is out of use then why millions of people have converted or converting to Buddhism (I guess you are from Mumbai, you may know Dalit-buddhist in Maharashtra and there are no more dalits-hindu) and remaining others are hunted or poached by hungry missionaries!!!!

    Guess why because these poor people were screwed by their own brethren who were/are following the text!!.
    i would recommend you to instead of wasting time on reading sharia from Egypt and bothering about Islam around the world, talking about ancient concept of Jziyaaa, stop conversion of your own people, just sitting behind keyboard and coming with funny logic will not help!!
    Thousand years of pain and suffering you just cannot undo by junking your texts!!

    After you are done then you can point finger on others!!!! isn’t it….now get working!!

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    Sam Reply:

    Saudi arabia follows it.

    most muslim countries, if given a chance, want to mimic them..

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    Indian Reply:

    No you are wrong, it is mostly tribal laws or whatever!!!do you live in arabia!!!

    Rajeev Reply:

    Pakistani,
    You are wrong. Every muslim wants to follow Mohammad (Hitler) and Quran (Nazi manual) totally.

    syed Reply:

    @Indian,
    Actually all major religions have major flaws in their scriptures which cannot be justified by any stretch of logic. The only difference between the adherents of islam & other religions is that most muslims believe their scriptures are perfect & applicable for all times and all cultures & believe in them blindly.

    There are issues in Islam which you cannot find answers to such as permitting of slavery, child marriages, treatment to for non muslims, apostates etc. etc. (all mentioned in many verses in the quran).

    The burqua as you rightly pointed out is a peripheral issue, rather not an issue at all but rather the symptom of a much larger problem….

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  • SKS Mumbai

    @@Indian
    Too GOOD, actually very very very good!

    Since you haven’t considered it necessary to bother about the topic of our discussion, let me remind you that the question was comparison of Calliphate vis-a-vis VHP’s Ram Rajya. You claimed that Taliban had besmirched the pristine and Noble concept of Calliphate, as has been the case with VHP’s Ram Rajya.
    What I did in my initial response was to give you a sense of the Fundamental Greatness of Calliphate and asked you to show me proofs which would allow VHP’s Ram Rajya to match the greatness.

    What you showed me instead was an explanation of the brutality of Manusmriti!! It wasn’t VHP’s vision of Ram Rajya. Not just that, VHP considered to be the epitome of Hindu Fascism, have openly and officially declared it as JUNK. Even if we ignore the absence of any basis for your claims and agree for a moment that this is so merely because they want to present a Nice Face, how does that matter? It still isn’t a part of their RamRajya! Not done yet with your “No-Funny” Logic, you add the bad deeds of Hindu Text throughout history!! Let me just say that Islamic deeds of History (in the words of contemporary muslim historians) aren’t the topic here.

    That you call a document certified by Al-Azhar University as an unknown text is interesting although not so important. So @Indian let us try this: Get me any Muslim organization (which does not fall in your classification of Hard liners), any one of the mainstream entity will do ( in Indian context, it should be quite easy, as except for the most virulent breed of Jehadis, most of the Muslim Organisations in India are considered Secular. So revoking a ban on SIMI becomes a cause for celebration for many secular leaders). I would expect you to
    keep Heretics out of this as also the Shias, bcoz, we are talking Sunnis only). Now the only criteria for this organization would be a public statement saying they reject the idea of a Islamic Calliphate or at the very least acknowledge that there is “SOME PART” of Quran which it totally rejects and/or that “SUCH or SOME PARTS” of Quran have no place in a civilized & cultured society (forget the exact words, even milder ones will do).

    Your deep concern for the Low caste hindus is noble but pointless again. You have also assumed quite a bit on my behalf and gone ahead to trash them with some relish. Will get back on them later.

    For now get a Muslim equivalent of VHP’s position on manusmriti. In case you find this very funny, you won’t surprise any one, that is quite the norm.

    And one more thing, your advising me to Get working was no surprise either.

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    @Indian
    I am now talking about the assumptions you made about me and victoriously trashed them. This happens to be the case even in those stances where I have been careful enough to explicitly state otherwise.

    For e.g. you accuse me of pretending that ‘Reliance of a Traveler” is FOLLOWED by everybody. If you had read and read well, you would have noted my following statement:
    “So probably, what we should concern ourselves with is something more like a mainstream or one among the mainstream positions, Not Necessarily one Which Many People Practice, but certainly something which many people do not object to”

    What was that ? An example of “Non-Funny Logic” of a “Non-Biased Thinker”?

    Next, you accuse me of claiming “that hindu texts have been junked”. Again, if you were not a “Non-Biased” thinker, you might have noted my statement :
    “…………that you will hardly find a Hindu using Manusmriti at ………… .. …. “Urinate” on manusmriti in Public. But in your scheme of things, these might be (any may be rightly so) mere hindu apologetics”

    So, I called it “mere Hindu Apologetics” in your scheme of things, and for good effect also added “may be rightly so”. But, you read this as a “claim that Hindu Texts have been junked”. I reiterated further, “we need to focus on what VHP has to say about Manusmriti” no more! no less!

    It might be good to remember that meanings are found in written words and also in between the lines, you can always search for meanings in the demons you have created in your mind, but that might be a good basis for debate in what you consider as civilized societies, unfortunately for you, not the case here.

    Finally a reminder please will show me some Muslim organizations as reprehensible as you label VHP to be.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    It is impossible for muslims to reject anything partially or fully because their allah is vengeful, arrogant and mean. He doesn’t allow people to use brain so pakistani (who calls himself Indian) can not defy illogical pice of $hit called Quran.

    I am ready to disown Manusmiriti totally but can pakistani even critcise Mohammad the criminal for raping a 6 year old child Aisha.

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    ram Reply:

    Very true, brother!

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  • SKS Mumbai

    @Indian
    No luck ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I guess he is consulting Zakir Naik symbol of muslim tolerance.

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  • Anger

    This camel-banger compares Muslim terrorists with Bhagat Singh! Really we are eunuchs. Somebody should teach this anti-national a lesson!

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  • ram

    Islamic terrorism and Islamic conquests have killed more people than all the other wars in human history put together. So don’t shed crocodile tears! Do you think only Muslims are innocent civilians? Why were Muslims in India, Chechnya and Palestine celebrating openly when 9/11 happened? Bigots!

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  • Ram Kumar

    It is the rise of Muslim “Ummah” ultra-nationalism thats the root cause of all problems. But this Muslim guy is conveniently blind to the issue.

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  • abhinav

    This is really pathetic attempt.
    Do you know Iqbal (Allama Iqbal) and his song “Muslim hain hum watan hai sara jahan hamara”

    Do you think he was a CIA or RAW agent?

    I think the pakistan movement and its supporters have created enough slogans and write up for the cause of muslim nationhood that this muslim moniker has become so sticky.

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  • Archana

    Sir,

    I am a muslim as well.But the disconcerting fact is that muslims tend to excuse or sympathise with the radicals.They contribute to radical causes thru zakat and sadaqah to front organizations,of terror organizations,knowingly because the fund raising is very radical in speech.
    Muslims especially Indo-pak have a tendency to see in blank or white,and hence consider every ill in their soceity to be a conspiracy by US/Israel/Hindutva.I cannot tell you how many teen muslim kids that I teach in a school think so,hearing their parents views having similiar conversations !
    They also take for granted that they can walk into any country and should get all human rights but when muslim majority countries treat minorities badly,it is indicated of the ‘dhimmi’ status from the Khilafa times.There is a costant ‘I am a victim’ sense by Muslims,whether they are a majority or a minority.They fail to put themselves in others shoes entirely.
    Muslims are paying for ‘I am Muslim’ because Arabs did,during the Hitler era,do the ‘they are Jew’ thing.There is material that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in the 1930s met Hitler several times and drew plans for similiar concentraion camps in Asia as well.
    The world is coming a full circle now,and I regret saying this,because I am Muslim too.
    We must do a clean house first and apportionize the blame on ourselves,to admit and correct our mistakes.That is what Germany and Japan did after the war,with introspection.Europe is a peaceful continent today only because of that introspection and not with revenge,sense of victimization or conspiracy mentality

    Thanks.

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  • abhi

    “This is the reality today for Indian Muslims, French Muslims, Dutch, American, Israeli and even British Muslims. ”
    These are also the societies where muslims are in minority.
    Zia’s contention that these societies ”put me, and millions others like me, in that little box called ‘Muslim’ and shut it up.” could be a general feeling among the muslims that they find it ”inconvenient” to live as minorities. Perhaps, if, in those societies where they are in majority, they treated minorities with more dignity, this guilt feeling may disappear.

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    What basically is being formed is capitalistic, open and democratic communism – whether in the EU, ASEAN or any other grouping of birds of similar feathers.

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  • chetan

    working day should start from sunday

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  • Krich

    We haven’t even heard the side of his story, there is more to this story than a rape. Until DNA test proves he is guilty stop acting like India doesn’t have any rapist. The only reason this aired in the news is because he is French, what about all the other stories of rapist case filed everyday?

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  • vijay !

    In trying to prove you are angry dont go over the top and say that India is home to 69% of world’s abused children. Very very funny!! Shallow reporting.

    Look around in your house, friends, colony and office and check up whether it is 69% of India;s children actually undegoing abuse or Indians happen to be 69% more hysterical than the world…

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  • Rahul

    You said the right thing, working days should be only 5. A 1 day holiday is too less for any employee to spend with their family. India is a developing country but the development is very slow, so i don’t think i am going to see such a change in my lifetime. Government needs to put some light on this factor.

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    Rahul Reply:

    Has somebody told you that you are a ******????? I doubt, truth is always tasteless.

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    Hi Mr Expat I don’t know about others however I for one support your thought of abolishing the 6 day working week in India.However that may be easier said then done as the current United Pricks Alliance or the current UPA government of India is run by the corporate sector and are only dummy representatives of people of a banana republic.

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  • Raw Indian

    Coz people think – work is worship…which is WRONG!!!!!!!!!

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  • Satish

    I don’t completely blame employers or government for this.Mainly in IT industry employees themselves are responsible for working Free-Overtime.Its like this ,Employee A offers his employer 8hrs work/Day.Then Employee B wants to show his employer that he is more “Hard Working”, and offers him 8 + 2 Hrs free over time, Then C comes and say “Hey I can work 8+4 Hrs free OT…and so on. And now there is a negative trend Employers are asking freshers Money for giving them “Opportunities to work in their esteemed Organization”.. This all happens because employees in India is too scared to ask their rights and challenge their employer. They don’t understand when they do “Free Charity Work”, their salary, lets say its 12Laks (based on 40 Hr work week) when they do it 80 Hr week it becomes 6 Laks. And also they are taking away an opportunity for another person!!

    Solution: IT Employees make a labor union. Now a days it easy. You can create it through internet and ask people to join. So that you will not be afraid to challenge your boss. You will not be removed from your job just because you challenged your boss..Labor union will back you up. Please act fast you are already late….

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  • http://www.facebook.com/carol.phelps.560 Carol Phelps

    Until we booked a trip to India (for next month) it never even occurred to me that there might be places on the globe where people might not have two days off work every week – i.e. the “weekend” which people in the western world take for granted. Certainly there are people in the U.S. who work 60 or even 80 hours a week – now & then I’ve done that myself when there weren’t enough hours in a normal work week to meet all my responsibilities – but at least in most jobs that isn’t the norm or expectation.

    I think you’re entirely right about having interests &/or hobbies &/or family life outside of work, and the need for a balance between the two. We should in fact be working to live, and not the other way around, as you so aptly said. Hear, hear!

    And I fully agree that moms & babies need time together… even if that means leaving one’s career. Jobs come and go, but your relationship with your children is going to last a lifetime. Better make it a good & happy relationship.

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  • anand

    Do you know that India govt has a policy to drive the employees mad by making it mandatory for all indian railway operating staff who ensures the safe passage of trains throughout india to work 60+3. 48+3. 42+3 hours.
    Besides no govt holidays are there. Even Casual leaves & Earned leaves are not granted to them.

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  • Kari

    “Work is worship” is alright as way of life. “Secret of Work” by Swami Vivekananda made a great impact on me. If profession and work are obsessions, only dream that matters then it is mighty problem. Work should embrace life, should aid human spirit not kick out or crush life. So, work is also life.
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    respond with embraces and joy. That which gives joy and embraces us, we
    can hug it easily.

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