From Jadd-o-jehed to Jihad



Our journeys as separate nations — India and Pakistan — are seeded in the subtlest of ironies. Our founding father Mahatma Gandhi was the most devout of Hindus and yet he dreamt of a secular India. Pakistan’s Mohammed Ali Jinnah, while being a non-practising Muslim who loved his ham and wine, came to found a non-secular religious State.

Religion-based political foundations are not the same as homespun religiosity and Pakistan’s non-secular political founding, I believe, is responsible for transforming it to a fountainhead of what we so often call global jihad.

What is jihad? From an India-Pakistan perspective, few people can answer this question better than Pakistani-American writer and Mary Richardson professor of history at Tufts University, Ayesha Jalal.

Her book last year, Partisans of Allah: Meanings of Jihad in South Asia (2008), puts this core concept of Islam in perspective for the subcontinental audience.

Jalal toured India last year with a talk on the subject at New Delhi’s India International Centre. This doubled up as her first book launch ever despite authoring as many as seven books. “Historians don’t need book launches,” she told me, “politicians do.”

Diminutive and small-framed, but with good-looking angular features typical of Lahore women, Jalal hardly looks like one who can ruffle feathers. But you have to know who she is. Her ancestry is legendary: she is the grandniece of well-known Urdu writer Sadaat Hasan Manto. Her qualifications are thoroughbred: a BA from Wellesley; and PhD from Trinity College, Cambridge.

Jalal’s credentials earned her a MacArthur Foundation Fellowship worth $265,000. Many people found it strange that a Pakistani was teaching Indian history on a global platform.

History may be cast in stone, but historians are all about posturing. Jalal enraged her countrymen when she stated that Jinnah had “feet of clay” and that he never actually wanted a separate Muslim state.

Then another torrid saga played out. Jalal shocked the US academia when she sued Columbia University alleging bias after her tenure as professor there was discontinued. She alleged that a lobby of faculty members from India objected to a Pakistani woman teaching Indian history and had “blocked her tenure application”.

Jalal opposed Columbia’s decision to accept a windfall grant from the Hinduja group to set up an institute for India studies. A federal judge in New York’s Southern District dismissed her case because the evidence of bias was, though “suggestive”, rather “thin”.

As a historian, Jalal is a rarity out of Pakistan. In the West, most subcontinental historians focus on India instead and along with Gardiner professor of history at Harvard, Sugata Bose, Jalal forms a formidable duo whose works have thrown bright flashes of light on the cultures of India and Pakistan. Now, we have a historical chance to know Jalal’s partisans of Allah, with her as their chief interpreter.

“Muslims have distorted the normative concept of jihad. The concept of jihad has changed throughout history, from being a spiritual exercise to a temporal one,” she told me during a brief interview. As an original concept, it was meant to be a philosophical jadd-o-jehed or literally a struggle to live an ethical life.

“You are never born a Muslim. You struggle to become one,” she says.

As an armed struggle, jihad could have been called only by the state, upon the advice of the clergy and it could only be fought when Muslims were prevented from practising their religion. “And even then,” Jalal says, “it was meant to be taken up only if there was a reasonable degree of success assured.”

Jalal enters jihad from South Asia rather than from the Arab world. And how. The battle of Balakot, she says, was one prominent example. Syed Ahmad Shaheed of Rai Bareilly in UP fought the Sikhs, who — as allies of the British — had taken the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan. Jalal uses instances from undivided India to show how the concept of jihad changed.

Now, “non-state actors” had entered the stage of jihad. It began to be fought for territorial purposes and would soon turn into a political weapon to wage war against perceived enemies of Islam. Finally, we would have self-styled jihadis. (Bin Laden?)

But then the two prominent figures who also took it up were Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, a member of the Congress, and Maulana Mawdudi, the founder of Pakistan’s Jamaat-e-Islami. Even Mawdudi, considered a fountainhead of mujahideen-like organisations of today, maintained that jihad was duty of the state, and not any private individual or organisation. (al-Qaida?)

Today’s jihad may be about the mujahideen and their bomb blasts, but this may change too. “As a historian, I cannot predict how,” she says and “it really depends on what actions we take today, which will determine the future.”

It is not for nothing that she says this. “What actions we take today” will indeed determine the future jihad. And future jihad may not be about mujahideen. Why should I revolt at the idea that jihad may indeed clock back into its normative concept of jadd-o-jehed.

Empires get built and razed. Sartorial trends fade out but spring back into fashion. Cold Wars melt. Hot air cools. As this “ball of earth rolls its eternal round”, history changes.

(This is an updated adaptation of an article the author originally wrote in the print edition of the Hindustan Times.)

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  • Sam

    Question 1:
    So what is the current definition of Jihas as per Ayesha Jalal ?

    (I did not understand, even after reading your whole article).

    Q2:
    “You are never born a Muslim. You struggle to become one,” she says.

    So what is the problem if some one born in muslim family, and does not want to struggle to become one, to leave Islam ?
    Would she give that freedom and condemn Apostasy ?

    So far it is just pulling wool over the eyes, without saying anything concrete.

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    anonymous Reply:

    @SAM

    Its not about predicting what jihad is or who follows it…….

    As author quotes, “What actions we take today” will indeed determine the future jihad. And future jihad may not be about mujahideen. ”

    She has basically evolved the meaning of jihad as the time passes by. And she stands by the view that there is a constant change in psychologies of human minds generation by generation
    ["Empires get built and razed. Sartorial trends fade out but spring back into fashion. Cold Wars melt. Hot air cools. As this “ball of earth rolls its eternal round”, history changes."]

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    Sam Reply:

    Please define what is the ORIGINAL meaning or Jihad.
    Please define what is the historic meaning or Jihad.

    How as it used in 7th century, 8, 9, 12, 15, 20, 21 century(i am just picking some numbers).

    Show it with examples.

    Convey that in an easy way for the reader to understand.

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com Zia Haq

    You don’t understand because — I’m afraid it seems — you do not want to understand. I can take the horse to the well but I cannot make it drink.

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    Sam Reply:

    Let us make it simple:

    What is the current definition of Jihad ?

    For the sake of the question, we do not need the historic definition or the future definition.

    Just the current one..

    (in general every action taken in any task, will define the future for that task.
    so there is nothing specific or new information there)

    So someone please explain it to me

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  • Singhi KJ

    This is the precise fear. The ability of this “jihad” to unify people who can commit violence together. The ability of this “jihad” to make non-jihadis understand about jihad when all the non-jihadis want is freedom from violence. Then, should we non-jihadis not be fearful about this? Fearing the above, should we not build some kind of defense to counter “jihad”. Would not that defense include condemning and nullifying the books, authors and practices that recognize Jihad?

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  • Sam

    Jinnah’s setoff the worst part of human actions by founding Pakistan…

    His creation has turned into a Frankeinstein monster, which led to killing about a million of Hindus/Sikhs.
    After that is over, they committed 3million deaths of Bengalis.
    After that is over, their actions led directly or indirectly to 3million deaths of Afghans.
    After that is over, they create mayhem in Kashmir.
    After that, try to terrorize the whole world.
    after that, they are trying to kill each other…

    all in the name of pure and Superiority of Islam, or trying to make the whole world accept islam..

    Now

    China is known as the world’s manufacturing hub.
    India is known as the world’s software and call center

    and
    Pakistan is known as the world’s assembly line (or factory) for making terrorists.

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  • Sam

    Historic meaning of Jihad
    http://www.danielpipes.org/416/jihad-the-fight-over-meaning

    Jihad has historically meant, almost always one thing-which is expanding the territories ruled by Muslims through armed warfare. That’s what it’s meant. Now I’m happy to see a development occur whereby it means something more spiritual. But we have to start by acknowledging that that’s the real meaning of the word, the historic meaning of the word, the traditional meaning of the word, and we can’t ignore it. And this young man is ignoring it.

    Sudden Jihad syndrome.
    (where law abiding, reasonable people suddenly turn into Killers and terrorists)

    http://www.danielpipes.org/3450/sudden-jihad-syndrome-in-north-carolina

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=5225

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    Sam Reply:

    Third Jihad, (movie is narrated by an Muslim)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gt9UGB1-tQ&feature=related

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    Zia Haq Reply:

    Daniel Pipes is an unbashed, established and well recognised right wing, neo-con policy advocate. Can’t take him to be neutral analyst. You are what you read.

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    SKS Mumbai Reply:

    Dear Zia,
    Unabashed, Established & Well Recognized Right Wing etc… Do application of these adjectives make the underlying argument void? Is there no other way to counter an argument without assigning “labels” to the proponent/participants?

    Is it open for everybody to apply those adjectives, or whether that requires a secular (say ‘IV’ i.e. Indian Version) certificate? Will it also have the same impact on the ‘Arguments’ (assuming they ever made “ONE”) of those, whom “I” (could be anyone)” chose to label as left wing, Liberal, IV Seculars?

    In that case, do you really need this ‘BLOG? You always have the RIGHT to NOT RESPOND to questions deemed unworthy, especially because, I do believe (may be, incorrectly) that you have often exercised that prerogative.

    Too often the debates on this blog (not always from your side) have relied on designating the proponents/participants as, BIGOTED, RIGHT WING, DEEM WITTED (or something to that effect) etc.
    The best of the lot happens to be “YOU ARE WHAT YOU READ.” This statement is a telling illustration of its underlying inanity.

    If anything above makes sense, then I request you, to list out some “do’s and “don’ts,” and to also reiterate them whenever the need arises. IF NOT, then note this: “The Modern Definition of a “RIGHT WINGER” is someone who is winning an argument with a LIBERAL.

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    Sam Reply:

    Please condemn or counter the arguments presented by Daniel pipes or anyone.
    (dont focus on the person or attack them, attack their ideas of facts)

    I understand every one has a prerogative to respond to or not respond to anyone.

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  • Sam
  • Sam

    Sikhs and Hindus agree to pay Jiziya in Pakistan.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=180908

    Wow!!
    where are all the Secular Muslims and other agitators for Palestinian, other world causes ?

    Why don’t they condemn inhumane religious apartheid in India’s neighbor ?

    I am not all surprised by their actions.

    For them if Hindus suffer it is ok !!

    Not a single condemnation or protest march..

    Maybe in their hearts they think this is good, as eventually after Kafir’s become poor (after paying Jiziya), they will have to convert to Islam due to financial difficulty.

    Remember everyone..the german saying
    When Nazi’s came for communists, we did not protest
    When nazi’s came for Gypsies, we did not protest
    When Nazi’s came for Jews, we did not protest
    When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.

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  • M. M.

    Jihad is a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels.
    JIhad is a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal.

    But killing of innocent people all over the is not jihad.
    According to “Ayesha Jalal” jihad means when some one is not letting you to practice islam and you protesh for it.

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    Sam Reply:

    Can infidels be killed in a jihad ?
    what is the political goal of jihad ?

    So are infidels not innocent ?,

    The problem is many muslims, do not want to accept (atleast in front of infidels) that historically Jihad meant only waging wars to expand their territory.

    If they accept violence, their legitimacy is less and may have to give up earlier gains.

    So deny, deny, deny….

    as long as there are willing people ready to believe that, why shouldnt they ?

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    Sam Reply:

    Some material found on internet
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    As minorities, Muslims have not been either as successful as other ethnic and religious minorities, in both developed and underdeveloped countries. Minorities like Jews, Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians, Sikhs, and Armenians are the most successful people in North and South America, in Africa, and Asia, but Muslims are not.

    The Jews, the arch enemies of Muslims, in the U.S. make up just 1 percent of the American population, but enjoy a living and education standard that is 80% higher than that of their American compatriots. Sixteen percent of all Nobel Prize winners have been Jews.

    The Chinese community, for instance, in Indonesia (a country of a Muslim majority), in Thailand, and America is economically the most successful. The same applies to Japanese, Indian, and Korean ethnic minorities. In Uganda and Kenya, the Indian minorities contribute 35 percent of the gross national product.

    Muslim Arabs and Muslims in general in America and Europe are not so successful. In Great Britain, 61 percent of Bangladeshi and Pakistani immigrants (all Muslims) are jobless. Forty-eight percent of Pakistanis and 60 percent of Bangladeshis have a low standard of education. On the other hand, the income of Indians in the UK is higher than that of average Britons.

    In Sweden, while the rate of employment among the local population is about 74 percent, it is only 42 percent among Turks, 31 percent among Lebanese, 21 percent among Iraqis, and 12 percent among Somalis.

    On the other hand, according to a recent study by a team of researchers at the American University in Beirut/Lebanon, Arab Christians, as minorities in Muslim and non-Muslim societies, are economically more successful than their Muslim counterparts.

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    Sam Reply:

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=181112

    A few months back I was talking to a friend of mine from Afghanistan, and naturally the Taliban came up for discussion. This is what he had to say: “Sir, I grew up in Peshawar because my family could not live in Afghanistan. Often, people in Pakistan would ask me why I was not living under the pure Islamic system that the Taliban had implemented. They wondered if I was not a true Muslim if I was running away from them, and that I should praise their efforts to impose the will of Allah on that land. You know what I would say to them? I would always say to them that I hope and pray one day the Taliban become rulers and masters of Pakistan and that people living in the cities of this country get to experience life under them. Only then will you Pakistanis know what it is like, and you will never question Afghans’ faith and desire to live under the Islam of the Taliban.” Clearly, he was right.

    Sohaib Athar

    Boston

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  • Sam

    Why are muslims in India constantly complaining for little things while in your neighboring country, they do not even admit a non-muslims evidence against muslim.

    This is the law in Pakistan.

    http://www.claas.org.uk/right_to_the_freedom.aspx

    Some Highlights.

    1.Religious apartheid:
    the evidence of a non-Muslim is not admissible against a Muslim person. Only two male witnesses can testify while four Muslims women witnesses are equal to two male Muslims witnesses.

    2. Blood Money (Qisas-o-Diyat)

    3. Forced to study Koran:
    They are forced to study Islam from the early years of education and when selections are made for higher education 20 extra marks are given to Muslim students who are Hafiz-e-Quran

    4, Lack of religious freedom

    In Pakistan the conversion of a Muslim to Christianity is not allowed. Indeed, conversion away from Islam is considered apostasy, a denial of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and an insult to Islam. Murshid Masih converted to Christianity and was charged under the Blasphemy law. He was sentenced to death.

    However, if a Christian converts to Islam he/she is not allowed to re-convert to Christianity because re-conversion away from Islam is considered apostasy. Kingery Masih is still in jail for his reconversion to Christianity.Inter-faith marriages are not allowed for Christian men and Muslim women. Islamic extremists often threaten Muslim women who marry Christians, as well as her husband and their families.

    5. Jiziya is fully compliant with Islam.

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  • Sam

    Convert to Islam or Pay Jiziya :

    The Taliban issued an ultimatum in March to the elders of more than 25 Sikh families in the Orakzai tribal agency near the Afghan border: Convert to Islam, join the jihad or pay five billion rupees — roughly $62 million — for protection. ‘What are we to do? We have nothing,’ Singh said. ‘We have asked the government of Pakistan, either relocate us to somewhere safe or send us to India.’

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  • sum

    I guess Zia has no answers to what Sam has been asking…Looks like he never considered all these issues or are all of these non-issues to him?

    The ground realities cannot be either be hidden behind some clever statements of muslim scholars or just wished away. They need to come out in the open and talk about reforms to Islam. How can you have an archaic law system based on a relegion.

    Cmon Zia…We’d like your answers and views.

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    Sam Reply:

    Very happy at least someone is recognizing the seriousness of these major issues..

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  • M.A. Haque

    The discussion about Jihaad has been blown beyond proportions. I think that there is no need that people who are not well versed with religious issues should argue on such issues. Religion is a personal matter and one should have the right to practice it in his/her own way. Once a person understands which religion is better in the sense that it is more humane, more practical and universal, the person may automatically come to embrace the same. So, it is for the followers of a particular religion to prove to the world that their religion is better. They can do the same only by practicing the religion in the right spirit and not by arguments and counter arguments.

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    SM Reply:

    “So, it is for the followers of a particular religion to prove to the world that their religion is better. ”

    I do not understand this need of Islam and Christianity for proving to the world about their religion being the best! The question of proving something comes only out of insecurity. Are these Abrahamic religions so devoid of good stuff that they need to be PROVED TO and IMPOSED UPON others?

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    M.A. Haque Reply:

    There is no question of imposing Islam (and for that matter it should not be with any religion) on any one. Qur’an is very clear about it. It says in clear words that Muslims should not impose their religion on others even if they are in a position to do so. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) always directed his followers that Islam should not be forced upon others. It is evident from the fact if it was so, all the countries where Muslims ruled for centuries could have become 100% Muslim. But the fact has been different.
    Today Muslims are in no position to impose their religion on any one. Still Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. This is proved by western statistics and not by Muslims.
    In past Islam could spread only because the followers of Islam were better people. Just for example before the advent of Islam it was common for people in Arabia to burry alive theri new born daughters. They considered daughters to be inferior and a black mark on the family. At the time there was no Ultrasound device. Otherwise they could do the same what we are doing now in India. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) strictly instructed his followers to refrain from the practice. In fact Islam gave the women more than equal rights as compared to men. He himself had no surviving son. Only he had daughters who could reach maturity and carry on his legacy. In fact he saw to it that women of his family were highly educated and scholars of repute. People used to go to them to clear their doubts on religious issues and social affairs. Similarly, Qur’an instructs in clear terms haow one should behave with his neighbours irrespective of the person’s religion (Suraa: Maoon). How Muslims should be honest in dealings and tradings etc.
    Usery was common in those days and Jews were master in the trade. He completely stopped usery which was one important reason why Jews became enemy of Islam and Muslims.
    If today’s Muslims practice Islam in real sense, there will be no need to call others to Islam. They may come themselves. In fact this is happening world over and that is why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

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  • ac

    Listen I and crores of people like me are bored and really disgusted by hearing this non-sense that ‘ISLAM’ is a religion of peace i mean really stop giving these statements now ………we all know how PEACEFUL is islam ,infact PEACEFUL MUSLIM is slowly becoming an oxymoron nowadays .

    I pray that all religions can live in peace ;but till that happens lets us be very realistic ,and call a spade a spade .

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  • http://------------------------------------------ sanjeev

    This is the truth of jihad

    Read

    M.A, KHAN : Islamic Jihad: A legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery

    Islam has created biggest genocide in Indian subcontinent of tolerant hindus and sikhs.

    These days it is the duty of so called intellectuals of ISLAM like mullah zakir naik, Tarik Ramadan etc. to befool non muslims.

    Islam allows telling lie at three places : 1. to wife 2. to defend islam 3. in war

    So deception is very common in muslims. Once they come in majority then they will show their true colours.

    People like zia are just befooling the ignorant non muslims.

    If they have guts they should answer questions posed by people.

    Why do you hypocrites quote quran everytime some question is posed to u, u need to look what your brethren are practising and facts all around.

    QURAN should be banned for acheieving peacefull world

    rest of these mullahs should be sent to SAUDIA KINGDOM

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Revenge of the Sangh Parivar – of course the opportunity is provided by the UPA govt undoubtedly, but the utterances and least possible action taken against Hindu terrorism by Chidambaram has finally got his goat. Bring somebody more pliable to the Sangh Parivar in the Home Ministry – thats the message. 2G is just an excuse, getting Chiddy out is the real grouse.

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  • Anonymous

    Your article is in poor taste. How would we feel if they wept with joy when god forbid, some enemy attacks us?

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  • Mark

    USA company killed 24,000 people in Bhopal instead Indian goverment put the chief executive on a first class flight to new York

    India is not an angel and has also supported terrorist and sought to impose its will in south Asia
    Who started nuclear arms race ? Who invaded siachin ? Who is worlds largest arms importer

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  • abu ahmed

    The martial racists in Pakistan, I felt would come to senses after 1971 – they didn’t. Then I thought may be after Kargill – again nyet. Actually they are living in a fool’s paradise of slowly bleeding India to death and getting kashmir to themselves. What the US is doing is cruel indeed – but it is hard to see any other medicine would work for these schizophrenic Pakistani generals and politicos.

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    King Reply:

    1971 was political problem exploited by India. India would still have lost the war where it not for Soviet Union
    Pakistan destroyed the Soviet Union anyway
    Pakistan couldnt also taken advantage during Operation Blue Star in punjab, or Sri Lanka Civil war, but Pakistan is not a country with designs on South Asia
    Kargil was a victory for Pakistan, and you have to remmeber LOC was only agreed in 2005 before that it was common for troops to take peaks and land

    India needs to accept, Pakistan will never submit to India ,no matter how hard india tries india brahmin elite need to come to term with existence of pakistan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    King,

    “” Pakistan destroyed the Soviet Union anyway”"
    “” Kargil was a victory for Pakistan “”

    Keep dreaming and please dont wake up otherwise you will
    see the truth and probably die of heart attack.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yasser-Yousufi/100000785644348 Yasser Yousufi

    I guess Shahid Afridi was right after all. You Indians are biggest small minded pricks in the entire world.

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    Made.in India Reply:

    I guess Mullah Zaeef is right after all: “Pakistan … is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.”

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is a throughly fraudulent, criminal entity. Absolutely nothing has changed in the criminal state which continues to train, arm terrorists against India and continues to protect 26/11 terrorists, IA Hijack terrorists and all others. its in India and world’s interests that Pakistan is contained, held accountable, isolated, marginalized and ostracized until it changes its policies or ceases top exist as Pakistan today.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan ’s juvenile obsession with Kashmir resulted in it becoming an arrmy ruled state, that committed genocide against its own citizens and losing 1/2 the country. Any state, with intelligence little more than a criminal moron, would have figured out that a state based on hateful bigotry of jinnah cannot sustain itself. Even today as it loses control over Baluchistan and Waziristans are ruled by militant groups , its criminal , corrupt and thug army/isi has not changed its ways and moron Pakistanis obviously continue to support the criminal entity.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Kalm/100001696983976 Ray Kalm

    Screw off India. Even after us giving you most favoured nation, you keep laughing at us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What you say is anathor lie from the crminal entity of Pakistan. India gave Pakistan MFN status in 1996, hoping unilateral good gestures will invite positive reactions from Pakistan. What followed was indian airlines hijacking, Parliament attack, Kargil, 26/11 terrorist attack and numerous otrher terrorist attacks carried out by the terrorist wing of pak army/isi called LeT.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan has yet not given india MFN status but only declared an intent, which has no value and is anathor fraudulent move by Pakistan to win even more concessions without ever really removing trade barriers against India. i repeat, pakistan has not given MFN status to India yet and there is no time frame known by which that will be given.

    Its callous, clueless Indian leaders who countenance engagement with such a copngenitally criminal entity whose foundations are based on a vile ideology.

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  • Anonymous

    India should never forget , that at partition while Indian government and leaders tried best to promote communal harmony, stop riots the criminal Pakistan muslim league and Jinnah went on a genocide unprecedented in human history. The result while only 10-15% of Indian muslims left India , 90% of hindus and sikhs were killed or evicted from West Pakistan. Thats just a undeniable fact about the genocidal and criminal nature of Pakistan. Today, 150 million Muslims make india home, while Hindus and sikhs have been literally eliminated ( from 25% of population to 1% ) from Pakistan. The state promotes religious bigotry and is based on a criminal interpretaion of a medieval ideology of intolerance imported from outside. Thats why Pakistan is a criminal entity and a failed state and India is foolish to engage it. India should have minimal contact, isolate it and not engage this criminal entity in any way or shape or form. Any engagement will result in ghetting defrauded.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/BasitHabib Basit Habib

    Once world is free of such RACIST people there will be no HATRED, and when there will be no HATRED, there will be no TERRORIST. Biggest of all is state TERRORIST USA who caused death of millions of MUSLIMS around the WORLD in past one DECADE alone.

    A RACIST thinker will never UNDERSTAND this… !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Basit, most terrorists , Like LeT of Pak army/isi are inspired by a hateful criminal ideology that claims their religion/cult is the best and only religion while other religions are false. Unless that criminal ideology based on religion is isolated and contained, terrorists from LeT will find inspiration.

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  • engrich

    ur comments and observation shows that u are communal narrow minded and a stupid bengali.

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  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile , whats so important about 24-28 Pak soldiers killed by US raid ? After all Pak army supports and protects criminal terrorist groups like LeT, jEm that have killed 1000s of civilians.
    More importantly, was it not the criminal, callous, coward Pak army that refused to accept for burial, 100s of its soldiers who were killed in Kargil ?

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    1989 Siachin War was started by Greedy India, which the bully of south Asia
    you are misinformed by your extremists right wing RSS media

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  • Anonymous

    What do you mean by typical Hindu mentality ? What would you say if someone said the vile, criminal conduct of Pakistan and your defense of the vile , criminality of pakistan army/isi ‘represents the typical ‘ islam mentality’

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    Ha ? Pakistan has every right to take counter measures to stop indian hegemony ,you have admitted india seeks to impose its will, that makes india an evil imperialist country
    indian media is also sick, like fox news
    Pakistan is only a problem for America due to small afghan issue
    whilst India – pak issue is to do with kashmir occupation by india

    america has disputes with everyone, and india has disputes with all its neighbours
    who are you to say pakistan is a problem

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    What a pathetic article by a cowardly Indian.
    I too was glad when Kashmiri Freedom Fighters brought mumbai to a standstill for 3 days. Still they only killed 200 people, but the blood of 2000 unmarked Kashmiri graves it to be avenged
    Whole world knows India is trying to Israel of the region

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  • Anonymous

    The writer makes his/her point of view quite clear based on his/her perceptions.This much is obvious in the arguments provided to find “glee’ in Pakistans current predicament.

    From a narrow very nationalistic Indian point of view,Pakistan being “smacked” by US and unable to resond in “kind” is a payback for Indian frustrations,or the inability of their goverment to respond to Pakistani’s ‘acts’ in India.

    There will be many in India with the same glee and the writer just maybe representing those.

    The trouble with this view is that it misses the bigger picture of working with Pakistan to stabilise the region. By humiliating Pakistan,it will become harder to get it’s help to find a political solution in afghanistan and beyond.

    The counter view that Pakistan is just a bogey man for Indians to let their steam off is also strengthened with the writers mindset.

    The affects of foreign meddling in the region will be felt for decades and no regional goverment can taka a glee from it.

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  • Anonymous

    only thug criminal peddl;ers of the criminal entity of pakistan will talk about engaging pakistan, the same entity that protects Daood Ibrahim, trains kasav and thousands others terrorists to come into India and kill hundreds. But why just India, the criminal, coward pak army killed millions of its own citizens in East Pakistan and continues to do so in Baluchistan, even as its reduced to 1/2.

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    India the fascist animals who dont let american journalist go to kashmir should provide evidence ???

    all india did was provide leads, not evidence beyond reasonable doubt

    indians celebrated destruction of babri masjid and bombing in Pakistan,particulary the attack on Sri Lanka cricket team and Mariot hotel bombing

    Pakistani People and Army are united,and jihadist have nothing to do with Army.
    several countries ? indian are full of lies and phobia when it comes to pakistan

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    he made a great point, Indians like to pretend they are victims when in reality it is they who are the nazis and go around attacking other countries through tamil tigers or consulates in afghanistan.

    Terror attacks in india are domestic issues, they are homegrown nothing to do with pakistan. where was your blue navy during mumbai attacks ? 26/11 was an inside job with the aim to kill all the senior mumbai police officers who were investigating hindu extremists

    brownie points ? is that how Indian logic works quote from bollywood and clap your hands

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2YD3ACPTZUGGUZ5H7WCWYAPNLA Ranjit

    Pakistan ,indeed a rogue state, needs some surgical operations to convert into a democratic set-up: but though the people of Pakistan bleed internally,it is surprising that they never try to be friendly with INDIA accept Wasim Akram in the world of cricket and that day even Imran Khan, the would be Pakistani President was arising the “K” issue in the same manner that his fathers and fore-fathers r to contemplate!
    I will give it straight : Let India support strategically Israel in breaking down the fanatic state because India , does not have the will power to blow the enemy!! So long Pakistan exists, India too,would be bleeding. No Indian political parties would disturb their “VOTE BANK” Muslim communities even knowing that many of them r pro- Pakistani and they would be opposing India’s anti-Pakistani stand.

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  • Anonymous

    There is a point of view that more you isolate and humiliate pakistan for its criminal, callous thuggish ways, the more infuriated its criminal army/isi become and sinks deeper into the cesspool of criminality on which the state is based, thus hastening its end. Why would enyone want to prolong a festering wound in S Asia called pakistan ? Adter its dissolution, there may be 3-4 states in its place, like Baluchistan, Sindh, Pak-punjab and then they can negotiate among themselves how to share the waters of river indus and how pak punjab can be given access to the sea. India should just ignore , isolate and disengage from tgis criminal entity and not help it in any shape or form.

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  • #1_Indian

    If the world seems in turmoil, full of hate, revenge and spite it is the writers like this being access to Media. HT is doing disservice to world community by allowing such narrow-minded, prejudiced and anti-Muslims writers access to a platform. They spew their venom based on very shallow and biased interpretation of History and by deliberately twisting facts. HT has become a galvanizing point for sordid characters who spread spite in the world.

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    macaby Reply:

    Kindly explain what is ANTI-MUSLIM about this article?

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  • Anonymous

    well, I’m prepred to do soemthing rather than be cynical and resign myself to the Chinese as a super power.

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  • Anonymous

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    The bottomline:
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    Pakistan state is itself based on the iodeology of religious bigotry, hate and criminality as spewed by its criminal founder Jinnah. The pakistan constitution itself promotes and protects that ideology.
    While Nehru-Gandhi faught for tolerance , secularism and unity, the criminal jinnah promoted communalism.
    Thats why only 15% muslims left India while 90-95% Hindu skihs were killed or expelled by jinnah’s criminal pakistan.
    There is no point ignoring facts and history. Hitlers Germany and his hateful ideology was not dismantled by making excuses for it as many criminal pakistanis are doing here. Make no mistake, Pakistan is a greater criminal than hitkers Germany. Thankfully the world is gradually realizing it.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/muhammad.ilyas.pk Muhammad Ilyas

    Pakistan always think for global peace and harmony because every Muslim believes and taught of this. What India and Indians do for global peace. I remember the court verdict on Babri Masjid where it is clearly mentioned who were behind that. Does Indian government took any action? The same sectarian group also threaten IPL sponsors for Pakistan cricketers.
    Relating to your allegations; buddy do you personally know what proofs/documents shared with Pakistan on Mumbai incident. The shared evidences were bullshit.
    ISI has gathered hundreds of thousands proof and also jailed many of RAW agents in Pakistan.
    I will recall; Indian RAW agents operated an operation against PCB and attack Sri Lankan team in Punjab.
    This is Pakistan only who still wants to sit together to resolve the conflicts and the major will always remain Kashmir.

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    RajX Reply:

    “Pakistan will always think of global peace”. HAHAHAHA

    Don’t you have any shame at all saying things things that everyone knows is a lie? Of course you have no shame. After all you are from the Islamist cesspool which is temporarily called Pakistan and soon to be called the worlds largest toxic nuclear dump.

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    vick hard Reply:

    Pakistan cannot govern itself properly with the land it has now and begging for aid from US and IMF. Why it wants Kashmir?

    Pakistan is a nation in peril if it cannot control its terrorists and grow economically.

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  • RajX

    Pakis can only have wet dreams. Pitiable and pathetic arabized society.

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  • RajX

    This righteousness from an arabized Pakistani who sent fanatical killers like kasab to kill nonmuslims. Have you exhindu converts lost your conscience? Has the Arab cult done that to you?

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  • http://twitter.com/speed_racer777 vick hard

    I want US next to invade and occupy Pakistan and deactivate all nuclear missiles before it gets into the hands of terrorists. There are terrorists within ISI and Pakistan military. ISI and Pakistan army have recruited Taliban and Al Queda specifically for creating trouble in India. This is a well documented fact and confirmed by CIA and FBI

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  • macaby

    and you are an ISI scumbag!!

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is threat, China is threat, Nepal is threat and even heard U.S. is threat, threat…threat..threat sound like Bollywood new theme song.Stop braying like donkey”s act like shers{lions}.Build the country, keep your eyes open, carry a big stick and offer no jokes.Indian politicians are jokers with loaded deck, clean your deck and vote for strong patriot Indians.

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  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that the standard of reporting among the media in our country is very poor compared to western countries. Many articles contains one sided reporting, there are numerous spelling and grammar mistakes even in our national news papers. But one aspect we seem to excel in is negativity and exaggeration. Articles are published with controversial titles to attract readers and stories are exaggerated to create controversy. Such tactics are in poor taste because individuals form their opinion on what they hear on the television, read on the newspaper etc so the media should be more ethical. Therefore, the media in both countries should highlight things we have in common and not fan paranoia. Personally, I hope Indian and Pakistan government can work together and build economic ties, which can benefit both countries. Lastly, I reside in a western county and I have witnessed people from both communities getting along with each other really well. They want things to improve in their respective country so they are not reminded by the western people that they come from a developing nation. They want the standard of living to improve and increase in employment opportunities so they won’t have to leave their homeland for a better life elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that the standard of reporting among the media in our country is very poor compared to western countries. Many articles contains one sided reporting, there are numerous spelling and grammar mistakes even in our national news papers. But one aspect we seem to excel in is negativity and exaggeration. Articles are published with controversial titles to attract readers and stories are exaggerated to create controversy. Such tactics are in poor taste because individuals form their opinion on what they hear on the television, read on the newspaper etc so the media should be more ethical. Therefore, the media in both countries should highlight things we have in common and not fan paranoia. Personally, I hope Indian and Pakistan government can work together and build economic ties, which can benefit both countries. Lastly, I reside in a western county and I have witnessed people from both communities getting along with each other really well. They want things to improve in their respective country so they are not reminded by the western people that they come from a developing nation. They want the standard of living to improve and increase in employment opportunities so they won’t have to leave their homeland for a better life elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    The writers personal bias ruins the article from being fair/balanced. The article justifies the killing of human beings, and the writer states such attacks satisfying. I am sorry to say, but killing of individuals are only satisfying to those who are blind with hatred, which the writer clearly displays in the article. I am a human being and I don’t care if an individual is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh etc. I have friends from different communities and we are friends because we have things we common and not because we happen to belong to the same faith, caste, region etc. Anyway, I hate political debates about India/Pakistan because it’s pointless. The solution requires sacrifice from both sides but it’s unlikely to happen. It will be wiser if the current young educated generation takes a different approach to this problem from the past generations. An approach which seeks to resolve the problem in a diplomatic way, not through proxy war.

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  • Anonymous

    Not a single individual has contradicted the facts of the criminal nature of the pak state, its army and isi, with any rational facts or arguments. The rest is all bs. Unless Pakistan is appraised based on facts fo what it is, how can someone resolve a strategy to counter act the menance that the pak state, army, isi and the ideology it propogates engenders.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ali-Larter/100001970700213 Ali Larter

    Pakistan a country made up of lazy youth who believe in reading pointless religious theology in some god forsaken religious school.
    The Pakistani youth could not use its time in making itself useful like its neighbors India and China–whose GDP’s are close to double digits due to their youth who have successfully educated themselves in technical education making their countries IT and manufacturing hubs.The fate of a country depends upon its youth and not upon the military or the government–if the people of Pakistan choose to be lazy uneducated and unemployed,misinterpret religion to incite violence and promote polygamy,progressively push the country into the stone age so be it.

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  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile, once you stop equating Islam with criminal Pak entity, you will stop seeing criticism of Pakistan’s policies, its army/ISI and the multitude of crimes it has committed against humanity in last 60 years, as criticism of Islam. No one has defamed islam all over the world than Pakistan, by calling itself an Islamic state.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jabli-Izvesti/100003096480500 Jabli Izvesti

    This particulat attack on the Pakistani soldiers could very well be the result of a real mistake.American military is not as competent as it is touted to be.They make plenty of mistakes like any other military.

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  • associatedtaxis

    dont you just hate smarmy ugly black baboon face indians when they try to ape western writers and their do-good finger pointing. indians and they kauthiliyan snake like traits. it is india and its hegemonistic designs, its india that stole kashmir, india that started terrorism through mukhti bahini in bangladesh that split pakistan in two, in rann of kutch, in baluchistan, india stole siachen, in water issues in countless other issues always formenting truble. the sun DOES NOT SHINE OUT OF INDIAS ARSE,. Blame everything on pakistan but most of indias neighbours hate india as a big bully. pakistan will not bow down to indian bullying

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  • Anonymous

    Not only your colleague was agahast at your inhuman happines,but any human of any country with normal sensitivity should also be aghast at it.There is a kind of rabidity in the anti-Pakistan views of Indian scribes and the so-called intellectuals.There is a total failure of understanding of the interests of our country as well as of Pakistan.Even America should not be happy with the violation of Pakistan sovereignty.if the action was erroneous,NATO(virtually America) should punish the guilty and compensate the affected families for the loss of life and damage of property to Pakistan.If it was a deliberate action.
    America has lost one of its staunch supporters and may soon start paying for this loss,if China-backed Pakistan really does whai it has stated.
    We have a govt the policies and actions of which encourage terrorism and grow it in India.Terrorism and communalism which Sonia flaunts as secularism is the basis of Congress’s hold on power.The day congress is routed,and that day is not far off, Indo-Pak relations will normalize.Similarly our relations with China will improve.It will be sheer impudence to quarrel with China when the US is afraid of it.America knows as the rest of the world does that china is as powerful,if not more powerful than America.America is making just customary noises about its sole super power staus to use countries like India,against China.And if not thrown out of power soon,congress may involve India in anti-india deals as it did in the nucluer deal.
    .China has another big advantage;She has not made enemies as America has done.Fair weather friends of America may desert her in a crisis.

    Terrorism is no longer Pakistan’s cup of tea.Our relations can quickly improve,if Chidambrams and Anthonies are booted out So,let’s stop cribbing against Pakistan and focus on the ousting of UPA for bringing trillions of dollars of black-money and scam money.That will boost the growth of our economy and consequent growth of strength in the world.China didn’t have to prove her strength by attacking other countries.But she hasn’t ever hesitated to challenge America wherever her national interests were involved.When we have honest and dedicated leaders at the helm of affairs,we will quickly adopt wise and country-centered policies and actions.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    The distinction between taliban and Pakistan army has been blurring with time. Pakistan army has been trained to fight for “Islam” and not Pakistan which makes them little different from jehadi terrorists. An incident like this was waiting to happen.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    The only credit Pakistan can claim for its 64 years of existence is the manufacturing and export of high grade terrorism…. they desrve every bit of what they are getting.

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  • Anonymous

    Dasg,

    Dont you know that destroying temples, Gurdwaras is peaceful act.
    Isnt it Mr. Muhammad Ilyas ?

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  • Anonymous

    You want India to be destroyed so that you can remove Indian from
    your name and call yourself only — A proud Muslim.
    Is that right ?

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  • Arnab Mitra

    Peace will reign if only the Pakistani govt stops exporting terror, dismantles the terror infrastructure in that country and books those wanted for murder/terrorist attacks in India. You’ll find India and Indians taking 10 steps to normalise relations for every step Pakistan takes. But I don’t see any attempt on Islamabad’s part to move in that direction. You’re right” peace is impossible with such a mentality.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Arnab Mitra, has raised specific points and the blog is based on facts and not fiction. Other than mumbo-jumbo about peace, I have not seen a single cogent criticism about what specifically is not right in the points he has raised. For too long, the mainstream media, has sought to overlook the incorrigibly venal and duplicitous nature of the pak entity. Even the so called MFN status to India, 16 years after India gave it to Pakistan, is just a media farce and a typical pakistani fraud and lie. There has been no action by Pak to reciprocate that and Mr Geelani, has gone back on his word to say no final decision has been taken.
    You have to be a moron to not see that pak army/isi and the state is at the core of every criminal enterprise and terrorist groups that operate against India from army/isi thug ruled state of pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

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    What has 60 years of efforts to foster friendship with Pakistan given us ??
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    From Gandhi-Nehru, through Shashtri-Indira, Desai-Vajpayee to Manmohan what has India’s policy to foster friendship with Pakistan given us ? It has given us 4 wars, all launched by Pakistan . It has given us extermination of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan and genocide of Bengali Hindus in East Pakistan. It has given us a state that has trained, financed the worst criminals to hijack our planes, attack Parliament, attack temples, provide shelter to Daood and launch 26/11 attack.

    No you may not need to hate Pakistan but loving genocidal criminals from commuinal Jinnah-Iqbal to Yahya-Tikka Khan of the 3 million genocide of Bangladesh, to butcher Zia-UlHaq to the Kargil criminal Musharraf to the originators of 26./11 Kayani-Pasha , there is nothing to love in the bigoted Pakistani state.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mr Arnab Mitra,
    I have a request.
    Mr Joginder Nath Mondal of WB in 1940-ties, played a crucial role in the division of India , as he and 4 other legislators provided crucial support to Jinnah’s Muslim League to form government in undivided Bengal and then in division of India. Mr Mondal gave up everything in India and migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Here is his letter of resignation from Jinnah-Liaqat Pakistan government 3 years later in Oct 1950, when he fled to Calcutta India to save his life.
    Please read it in full as its an insiders account of the chartacter and nature of the Pak state.
    Link provided below.

    http://www.mayerdak.com/root/jnmandal.htm

    (numerous other links to can be found for this historic resignation letter )
    This letter in my opinion must be compulsary reading for anyone studying Indian history for the events surrounding 1947.

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  • WiseAmericanGuest

    Arnab Mitra can talk all the smack that he wants about Pakistan. I’ll be the first to admit that Pakistan has problems, and that it has committed wrongs. But despite Pakistan being a failed state, it is in a much better geopolitical position than both Afghanistan and the United States.

    Afghanistan is being held together because of a 10-year NATO occupation. Once that ends, then who knows how it will end up. It is not hard to imagine the Taliban taking over again, with our without help from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. It is much more disunited and corrupt than Pakistan, and I would not be surprised if it plunges back into civil war.

    The US is on its way out. Actions like the NATO strike are not new, only in the past they have attacked militants and innocent civilians. It only has a few years left in the region. I live in the US, and I know how much the public wants the war to end. The US has created a bigger debacle than Iraq in Afghanistan, and it cannot control the future of Afghanistan once it leaves without support in the region.

    That leaves India. As Arnab himself indicated, India is reluctant to go hostile against Pakistan. It can try to seek to make a base in Afghanistan, but does India really want to make friends with the same Afghanis that it accuses Pakistan of sending to Kashmir as jihadists. Despite Afghanistan vs. Pakistan tensions, I doubt the people of Afghanistan, particularly the Islamists, would want to cozy up with India.

    This is because Islamists all over the world are furious at India’s occupation of Kashmir. Mitra really wants Pakistan to destabilize and break up. He should realize to not make such statements in the heat of the moment, and realize what the actual score is in the game.

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  • Zeenat232003

    posts like these really don’t help in any way. they aggravate the animosity between the countries. why can’t people be a little more careful with their words? I’m sorry to say, but this blog post has served no purpose at all except that it is full of hate speech.

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  • Anonymous

    Is the weakening or disentegration of W Pakistan in Indian interests ?
    Do we have state sponsored terrorism from East Pakistan anymore ? No. Infact, Bangladesh has now banned religious parties from parliamentary elections and the state is not engaged in arming, training and protecting jihadi terrorists. If W Pakistan disintegrates into Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtoonistan and Punjab, in all likelihood, Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtoonistan will be non-terrorist-sponsor states. Yes Pakistan Punjab will remain a criminal thug entity engaged in terrorism. But it will be much weaker and engaged in fights with other ex-units of Pakistan. It would be interestinmg to watch punjab and sindh negotiate distribution of indus waters and punjab’s access to the sea. So Indian should either totally ignore and isolate w pakistan or provide moral and diplomatic support to the units and people that want to get out of the pak punjabi army criminal ideology and rule.

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  • Anonymous

    US-based Kashmiri separatist Ghulam Nabi Fai pleads guilty to charges of spying for ISI

    WASHINGTON: US-based Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, accused of being an ISI agent and trying to influence American policy on Kashmir has pleaded guilty on federal charges of spying for the Pakistani spy agency.

    Fai also acknowledged receiving money from the Pakistani spy agency through clandestine routes and causing revenue losses.

    Pleading before the US Eastern District Court of Virginia on Wednesday, Fai pleaded guilty and agreed to the charges of federal prosecutors that he received at least $3.5 million from ISI between 1990 to 2011. This resulted in a revenue loss of between $200,000 to 400,000 to the US government.

    His sentencing is scheduled for March 9. Fai agreed before the court that he was in direct contact with the ISI officials including the head of its security directorate.

    He conceded receiving talking points from ISI regarding what to say and write. He agreed that he received directions from ISI with regard to which specific individuals to invite for KAC conferences.

    Fai, 62, has consented to forfeit all four bank accounts in his name or in the name of KAC totalling about $140,000. He also agreed before the court that he had send to the ISI annual budget of the KAC for approval.

    He continues to be under house arrest till the time of his sentencing. Fai was arrested on spying charges on July 19 and then put under house arrest.

    A resident of Fairfax Virginia, an affluent suburb of Washington DC, Fai was head of the Kashmiri American Council (KAC) and claimed to lobby on behalf of the people of Kashmir.

    Federal prosecutors, in their submission before the court, have charged him with working for the ISI and accepting millions of dollars from the spy agency.

    He is accused of funnelling $4 million ISI money into the US to influence country’s Kashmir policy.

    His handlers in Pakistan allegedly funnelled millions through the Kashmir Centre to contribute to US elected officials, fund high-profile conferences and pay for other efforts that promoted the Kashmiri cause to decision-makers in Washington, US attorney Neil MacBride had said in July.

    “Mr Fai is accused of a decades-long scheme with one purpose to hide Pakistan’s involvement behind his efforts to influence the US government’s position on Kashmir,” MacBride had said.

    The affidavit alleged that although the KAC held itself out to be a Kashmiri organisation run by Kashmiris and financed by Americans, it was one of three “Kashmir Centers” that are actually run by elements of the Pakistani government, including ISI. The two other Kashmir Centers are in London and Brussels.

    The FBI had arrested Fai for allegedly collaborating with ISI by “clandestinely” funnelling hundreds and thousands of dollars to change the view of American lawmakers on Kashmir.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-based-Kashmiri-separatist-Ghulam-Nabi-Fai-pleads-guilty-to-charges-of-spying-for-ISI/articleshow/11023279.cms

    ( Some of the money paid by ISI made it into the pockets of Indian journalists , who take a soft, pro-pak position in Indian media )

    Question is how many people has government of India successfully prosecuted for receiving funds from ISI to conduct terrorism inside India ? The case against jihadi Saeed Geelani went no where and he has been freely doing pro-pak propoganda for last 30 years in India.

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  • Anonymous

    Lol what the Hindu king though is irrelevant that is not what the Radcliffe line was based on. The Hindu king left his throne when people rose up and began rioting
    India has no claim to Kashmir and occupies it

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  • Anonymous

    Your papers are racist and intolerant
    I don’t care about your papers
    But when they make such twisted remarks which hitler would be proud of .. I come to pity you

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  • Kuldeep Issar

    Action speaks Louder than than Words/Quran….see around u what islam and muslims r doing to the world….

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