Don’t tell me I am only Muslim



We as Indian Muslims are struggling to remain who we are — Indian Muslims. I am sorry to see so many people treat the term “Indian-Muslim” as the greatest oxymoron of our time. Don’t tell me that I am ‘only Muslim’. I am ‘also a Muslim’. I am also sorry to hear that we only wear our religion on our sleeves; that we fail to integrate and mainstream ourselves; and that we are not loyal enough. That’s done and over. We only have to look at our society with blinkers off. Mainstreaming is done. Assimilation is over. Loyalty is established.

However, what we are witnessing are post-assimilation issues, like millions of migrant Muslims in Europe. We are finding it difficult to find decent housing, jobs and above all goodwill. Like European Muslims, we are looked upon with a degree of suspicion and demonised for terrorism-related crimes that affect us in equal measure.

There are differences however: Unlike European Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, we did not come here to escape theocratic tyrannies or in search of a better life.

Unlike European Muslims who are still evolving into their European identities, our Indian identities are no less evolved than any other community, and still evolving. Unlike European Muslims, we did not come here to reap the benefits of progress we were not part of.

Unlike European Muslims, who nonetheless have spent enough time to perfectly reconcile themselves to secular European principles, racial integration is not our problem at all. We come largely from the same stock, having converted roughly between 700 and 900 years ago.

Those of us who chose to stay put after the Partition, did so not to ‘colonise’ or ‘Islamise’ India but to continue remaining who they are: Indian Muslims. Yet, post-assimilation issues are cropping up. (For instance, young Muslim jobseekers have become appropriate objects for extra scrutiny.)

The fundamental problem has to do with the perception that if you are a Muslim, you are a potential terrorist. It is through the prism of this prejudice that every prospective Muslim tenant is seen, as Muslim youths storm new cities in search of jobs as if they were another Bastille. This is not acceptable because this is not the truth. In the Muslim psyche, there is no contradiction between being an Indian and being Muslim.

While we only talk about a few on the fringes of Muslim society who have set out on the path of wanton violence, we ignore the vast majority of perfectly law-abiding Muslims. It is for them that I stand up.

Many fallacious presumptions have taken roots:

(a) Sometime ago, an egregious text message did the rounds. All Muslims aren’t terrorists, it stated, but all terrorists are Muslims.  With this, I disagree, for we only have to look at history.

(b) Large Muslim households are the consequence of an express ambition to Islamise India. With this, I disagree. Large families are not unique to Muslims. A former President of our country had 14 children and he was not a Muslim. A sitting non-Muslim Union minister has nine children, while I am the only issue of my parents. We have to stop judging Muslims on the basis of very personal decisions they take, like the number of children they wish to have and the choice of their attire. Family planning however remains a national priority.

(c) Full loyalty is not possible because Muslims in themselves form a political community that over-rides national loyalty. With this, I disagree. Political Islam is not an immutable Islamic concept and Muslims in India have never, ever dreamt of a theocratic state.

Indian Muslims fully recognise that the diversity of our society is a permanent reality and not something to be ultimately overcome by a future Muslim majority. I am critical of what a narrow understanding of loyalty often demands of Muslims like me. There should be no problem, in a democratic country like ours, to accommodate all Islamic religious sensibilities that don’t infringe on our basic constitutional principles. Those that do are not immutable Islamic concepts and we shall talk about them in another blog.

Nonetheless, I have my own demands to make of Muslims like me. We are dealing with a crisis here and we are to blame as well. Going by the strides that the two communities have made, let’s for a moment, see how Hindu India has fared versus the Muslim India. The Hindu India has been far more synchronised to the emerging global order and has treated modernity as opportunity: the language of Bollywood is more like that of Hollywood and our fashion more Paris, etc. The vast majority of Muslim India has however resisted modernity, treating it as a threat.

One reason for this is the leadership crisis gripping Muslims. The Muslim religious leadership overlaps the religious leadership. As far as business role models are concerned, we have none, save Azim Premji. The worst thing our clergy-dominated political leadership has done is to instil fear. We have only been told to be cynical; transforming us into a community that has never realised that there indeed may be a level playing field out there for some of us.

One way to tackle the crisis, and ameliorate our lot, is by exuding a positive and creative presence wherever we go. No matter what, we have to deepen, not weaken, our stake in the system. Nobody looks upon AR Rehman as “only a Muslim”. Shah Rukh Khan is seldom looked upon as a Muslim movie star. Successful Muslims no longer remain ‘only Muslim’. That’s how the cookie crumbles.

Yet, whenever I am asked if I am a Muslim or an Indian first, then I my answer is I don’t answer stupid questions.

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  • priyanka

    its true…a Muslim isnt ‘only Muslim’. But more than that, the issue is of letting a person decide for himself or herself who he or she would like to be….why ask for that extra proof of loyalty from Muslims time and time again?! Why cant we just learn to recognize the multiple identities of every individual and stop prioritizing one identity over another?

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    rohan sharma Reply:

    Its quite human to see what is striking,
    whenever there is a terror attack all Muslims in the society are looked upon with narrow eyes,
    but then why doesn’t those eyes widen up when a Muslim gets you an Oscar or some other Muslim goes ahead and becomes the first man of the nation, the point is there has to be a sense of indifference in the society, which has ceased to exist. I am quite young to actually analyze what is the society actually like but the point i wonder the most is why do the Muslims call themselves minorities?
    why are they given separate areas to stay, i mean why is there a divide still in this nation?
    Even in cities like Delhi there are places where the Muslim population is dominant and there are regions where the Hindus are dominant. WHY??? just have a look at your locality where you are putting up and u shall find that there are only a few as very few Muslims putting up and rest all Hindus and vice versa, it is agonizing sometimes when there is this divide and segregation still persisting in the nation called secular and sovereign.
    belonging from a Brahmin background i studied in the top notch school in Delhi and there was just one Muslim guy in our class and he too was a fast friend of mine, a very small issue though but he used to get beef in lunch, and we used to have lunch together even though i might not take a share from him but we used to sit together and eat on the same table and never ever i had problems or even him, but yes even amongst us there were students who had issues..!!!!
    Its disgusting on the part of parents the society and everybody and lately Mr Varun Gandhi who truly is a disgrace to the Gandhi family!!!!
    i believe this narrow mindset and the filtering views of the society are never going to end, religion is going to be the most dominant reasons for everything existing in this nation be it good or bad!!!
    its the humans who created it, and its going to be the humans who shall destroy themselves just for the name of religion.

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    renuka Reply:

    Well said, Zia.

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    Sana Reply:

    Nothing can be worse than a feeling of alienation in ones own homeland. There are certain misconceptions that need to be cleared. Your post could be a step forward…….Best

    Mayank Reply:

    Muslim are not different than any other individual ,its just the environment and basic teaching which impact the mind that lead to the actions.But if someone says why most of the terrorist all the muslims.
    we should not run out of this question ,its not a stupid one.

    If we really serious to remove the tag of criminal activities from muslims,then its need to save the young minds.whatever u teach a kid he will deliver the same.why there are so much conflict in understanding the religious book of kuran?whether kuran is tough to understand or some pople are misusing the words of kuran by putting it in wrong way in ignited minds of youths.because every criminal attach his activity with their religious books(why?).

    In all i want to say respect and morale can not be given by anyone it has to earn by themselves.

    Rituraj Reply:

    Like some earlier comments, i too have the same question – Why must a Muslim ( Indian or otherwise) should be put through the task of justifying himself, not time and time again, but even once? If X is a muslim, and Y is a terrorist, why must X have to prove the X is not equal to Y? The major goof-up in this issue, is not ‘people trying to come to terms with the fact that there ARE good muslims who need to be heard’ but people from all backgrounds and faiths failing to see that the more the justifications are encouraged (read demanded), the more alienation it creates. Alienation – the alleged grand reason, for ‘local goodie muslims’ to just ‘cross the line’….is it that hard to see that while trying to unite a nation, all these justifications are rather widening the cracks? The Cracks, which the majority has taken upon itself to exploit. and yet, it doesn’t have to explain itself. Funny, i think.

    The current social scene in India is not really helping. Look at the support that Varun Gandhi is getting after he proclaims that ‘he shall set the hindus free’ of this minority appeasing politics. Hasn’t he fit the perfect bill of the Hindu-Terrorist yet?? The Batla House incident where Jamia students were apparently harbouring terrorists (proof? none.), was seen as a success of delhi police. Same delhi police that also managed to create a martyr out of Amar Singh, who according to eye-witnesses, was seen walking out of the locality after suffering a ‘minor wound’. The Establishment will NOT help us. Clearly.

    In this short time-frame( most of 2008 actually), we have also welcomed a wave of so-called well made movies that raise the questions of communal tension in this country. ‘A wednesday’ where Muslim terrorists are the cause of the problems of the AAM AADMI who has been forced to action against it. Very conveniently, the writers HAD to include a “good Muslim” in the Mumbai police too, who by the way, had to hide his ‘tabeez’ when speaking to the terrorists and his Hindu colleague coming to the rescue…Utter ****!!! if i may be allowed to say so. Well made movie? may be. but the message its sending across, knowingly or otherwise, is a very dangerous one. “Shaurya” – muslim army officer has to face the music this time around because he knew a thing or two about human rights violation and respected human life. Throughout the movie, the officer is resigned to giving it up to the laws of the Indian Armed Forces. Again, it is upto good’ol Hindu military lawyer to come to his rescue, and tell the world what exactly happened. “Aamir” – common man (read, Good muslim) sacrifices his life for a greater cause – upholding the moral duty of the good muslim of justifying his faith. Bollocks!!!!! all of these might be good movies, technically. but we can’t be naive enough to not see past the message that these movies are trying to propagate – some muslims are good, it is upon the ever-so-good hindus to acknowledge, understand, and help them.

    something, somewhere is seriously wrong. Please try not to be blinded by the sense of this brotherhood one one hand, while totally ignoring the fact that some of us, albeit unknowingly, are fanning the flames by these justifications.

    by the way, Good blog Mr. Haq.

    Rituraj Reply:

    My apologies for typing “Amar Singh” ….i meant “Mohan Chand Sharma”….thats the police inspector who died as a result of the batla house incident. Sorry.

    nbz Reply:

    Zia,

    My comment is missing from this page but it somehow landed up with Anil Maheshwari as a”Hate Mail”
    Your comments.

    Zia Haq Reply:

    NBZ:

    So many of the mails here, including yours, are a strong indicator of the need and place of Ijtihad (loosely translated as the appliation of reason and analogy and, contexualisation of Koranic principles by a qualified scholar to respond to a new situation.) It was practised in the early years after the death of Prophet Muhammad. Even when the so-called doors of Ijtihad were closed by the orthodox Ulama, scholars like Ibn Taimiyya and Shah Waliallah maintained the right of Ijtihad.

    Frankly, I did not find anything unparliamentary in what you wrote. Going by what is there for us to see and what has been quoted, it is certainly not a “hate mail” but a opinionated response.

    I am firm in my belief that Ijtihad is the next jihad for us. Let me try to re-word this, lest I am misunderstood: The next big struggle of Islam is to bring reason and reform back into Islamic theology and practice. Thank you.

    Zia Haq Reply:

    I would briefly respond to the issue of Muslim population because I plan to devote a whole blog on this some time soon. There is no cohort stody, none at all, to suggest that Muslims have produced far more children at all points of time and at all places where they exist.

    Let’s stop propogating this myth once and for all. The Muslim population of Mizoram has hovered below 1.5 per cent (according to a political party’s estimation) for decades. In Assam, it has substantially shot up, obviously because of illegal immigration. Even if your assumtion were to be true, don’t impute religious motives to it. If the Muslim fertility rate is high — there is no peer-reviewed evidence yet — there should be no objections save one: family planning is in national interest. But please stop judging Muslims on the basis of very personal decisions. I would really want to now the basis of this statement: “the average family size of Muslim family is larger than non Muslim family with same level of education and income”.

    As regards Dar al-Harb, I would rather go by what Muslims think about it than a non-Muslim because it is an Islamic issue. The seminary Darul Uloom has already made this clear. A country where Muslims elect their own government cannot be Dar al-Harb. Either they refuse to elect governments or consider their country as Dar al-Harb. It can’t work both ways. In any case, few Muslims would even know what Dar al-Harb means.

    I can understand some people will be difficult to convince. As they say, you can take a horse to the well, but you cannot make it drink.

    Hemant Reply:

    I want to respond to big family part. It is more of socio-economic than religion. When more hands to earn is better than more mouth to feed a population explosion occurs. When you are poor and it takes very little to bring-up kids, and at the same time a little income by kids (by working or begging or any means) forms a big part of total family income ,people tend to have bigger family.
    In poor family there is no cost of schooling, medical etc. hence bigger family hardly translates to any cost. Once family becomes middle class they start thinking schooling, college , medical expenses, food ,clothing costs and at the same time they do not want their own life standard to go down, families tend to have less kids.
    Religion plays a part but not to that extent. You will see middle class families with 1-2 kids but poor families with lots of kids(one theory is also about survivor rate in poor families also contributes to more kids).
    Muslims in India are more in trouble because of their leadership than anything else. Everyone has exploited them and left them to be just votes. Their is not a single leader who is not a Moulana and has a unifying voice for Muslims.
    This is excellent blog. I have many Muslim friend and I prefer their views about Islam then my Hindu friend’s. If Muslims have to overcome world-wide phobia bout their religion it will require moderate voices from their own community.
    We all have to understand , most of us did not choose our religion , we happen to associate to a religion because of our parents or so. We have not studied all religion and then found one which fits our thinking. If you are one of these , I am one, then please do not talk bad about other religion ( you know nothing about that religion). That is why I say voices of moderation should come from own community, who have some knowledge of religion.
    Mr. Haq , if you find time , let me know your though about socio-economic theory of population explosion.

    Diva Reply:

    As the famous quote goes: Who are we to say we are Hindus? Who are we to say we are Muslims? For there is Ram in Rahim and Ali in Diwali! We are all one basically. But Sadly this topic needs a broader platform than a virtual blog space.

    Most of us have grown up with preconcieved notions nad over the years, have formed are own twisted versions of the truth…and recent activities under the garb of religion havent helped :(

    Hopefully, we can have a messiah to help us understand one another in a better manner.

    Aameen!

    Spartacus Reply:

    Shall we demand an inquiry about Taj and Oberoi Hotels too? You were quick to conclude that Mohan Chand Sharma was walking out with minor injury, were you there? Why this minority friendly UPA government is not going for any inquiry? Is it humane to discredit the sacrificed life of Mr Sharma’s ? I live with Pakistanis and Muslims, these loose talks, discredit us. Disgusting, if I put it mildly.

    Rituraj Reply:

    No one’s discrediting the life that was lost. in fact the India govt., credits only one life, one out of many, that was lost that day….students were murdered. so was an officer.one’s life is not above the other’s.the witnesses(neighbours/shopkeeers) saw him walk out. i’m not making it up. The inquiry also said the students were shot dead at a point blank range, that too shot in the heads from an angle above them. impossible if they say its an “encounter”. Mr. Sharma’s life was lost – true. But the question still remains, who shot him?. ..i think i have a clue.

    The indian army/police/establishment has a habit of conducting such “encounters”….forget muslims in jamianagar, take a look at the north east….six out of seven states are still under the Armed Forces Special Powers Act(AFSPA) – an officer of the law, can detain, shoot, kill any local even under SUSPICION. And then rest of india wonders why are these north eastern people so disgruntled. same in kashmir. Try enforcing these laws in the rest of india. have the army barge into your room while you’re having dinner with family. let one of them hold a gun to your father’s head, let the other “search” your house, while the third and fourth one oggles at your sister. Been there yet? i have.

    I don’t need to be present at the batle house incident. I already have my eyes open. the govt. and media never show you both sides of the story. and the system condemns anyone who raises his voice by labelling it “anti-nationalist”…
    26/11 was an attack by terrorists on indians. then fight the terrorists, not the people the share their religion with. i’m not fighting my fellow hindus, for what happened in Kandhamal, Orissa, am i? i’m not fighting sardars when someone from the sikh regiment stationed in assam raped one of our women….my whole point is, know who your enemy is, before you fight it. Don’t just pick on someone just because he/she does not eat the same kind of meat as you do.

    P.S. Funny how, spartacus was actually the name of a gladiator, who fought the establishment, not supported it.

    Anil Kumar Reply:

    You can’t wish away facts with anecdotes. Yes Lalu has nine kids but if you look the census data then state after state birth rate of Muslims is higher than every other community..

    Spartacus Reply:

    Allow me to answer you Mr. Rituraj. Spartacus was a slave leader, who rebelled against a very exploitative system. He was not a deviant; or rebel without a cause. You fight the exploitative establishment; you just don’t fight an establishment, for the sake of fighting. A pseudo-secular group of neo intellectuals may fill the shoe of an exploitative establishment. Crime conducted by an individual doesn’t warrant criminal tag for the entire group until and unless it is a pattern. Does the army or the political system justify the crime conducted by the individuals? Tough time warrants tougher measure, because gentleman like you can sleep, talk and live peacefully. There is huge gap between theory and practice. I will not fight this establishment for everything because I still find this establishment much better than Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Afghanis or Talibanis. Your instant inquiry of Jaminagar will leave, FBIs and Mosads off-color. I can portray million pictures when innocent kids, women and men are slaughtered and left into the pieces, I would love to see these “anti establishment” rebels to fight the perpetrators actively. Or a minority group is asked to leave their women and properties and asked to leave their ancestral homeland . If North-Easterns or Kashmiris have problem with the federal government or state government then find a solution through the constitutional means, fight with the government like an Indian, anti-Indian should be forcibly thrown out of the country. I belong to Kashmir, I belong to Indira Point, I belong to Saurashtra and I belong to Nagaland. A P J Kalam is one of my idol but I loathe Dawoods and Shakeels. Do I make my self clear?

    Saima Reply:

    i agree… the worst thing which is still very much prevalent here in india is the feeling of muslim alienation… people : indian muslims are as indians as any other indian hindu… Why do we always have to prove ourselves ??

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    Swati Reply:

    What I do not understand is that why is this issue about only muslim minority. I am a Jain and I know since a long time where ever I go, people ask me things like — ‘Do you guys have the same hindu gods’ or ‘Do you guys celebrate Diwali’ and other stuff. It was always presumed that since I am a Jain girl, I will just get married in a business family and have children. I have always been different.
    True as of today, there have not been any terriorist with a Jain last name so we do not have to prove ourself in case of any terriorist activity and muslims have this problem. But, that was not always the case right!!!. I mean it has happened since the last few years since there have been many cases in which the terriorist or the anti social element caught turned out to be a muslim. I agree that every muslim should not need to prove himself for any other muslim doing anything.

    But, one thing I would like to point out when you said – “Unlike European Muslims, we did not come here to reap the benefits of progress we were not part of.” What do you mean progress you are not part of … who is stopping you to be a part of progress. I am in the IT industry and I have had two muslim bosses in past 7 years. I have several colleagues who are muslim and are in the same situation as me. Now, here do not start talking about rich or poor. I know many Hindu and specially jain families who do not educate their girls and they end up being in the same situation as their parents. A person who does not want to grow will not grow irrespective of being a hindu or muslim or jain or christian or sikh. Why do we forget that our previous president was a muslim.

    Point is I am in a good place today because I did not let anything stop me. Everyone can go to school, everyone can go to college if he has good marks and everyone can get admission to any course depending on his merit. If you keep thinking you are minority and the government should do something for you, then nothing is going to happen. Which general category candidate gets something done for himself. He works hard to clear all exams.
    Frankly if you look at the numbers and percentage, the people living below the povertly line in rajasthan, haryana, bihar who are hindus is also very high. Simply because the state machinery does not let them rise and they themselves do not want any change.

    herminder kaur Ohri Reply:

    To be a good Indian it is necessary to be a good Muslim/ Hindu / christian/ Sikh/ Buddhist/parsi/etc.

    only then can one be a good citizen a good human being is the most precious asset a nationhas

    It is the rabid fringe of lunatics no matter what their article of faith that give the country and religion a bad name.
    You do not have to answer this most unfair of questions, non of us can.

    Mayank Reply:

    I agree,actions of individual leads to the actions of public.so execute right activities get the rewards.

    Zia Haq Reply:

    Dear Swati:

    When I wrote “Unlike European Muslims, we did not come here to reap the benefits of progress we were not part of”, I was comparing the social history of European Muslims vis-à-vis Indian Muslims. The sub-text of my comment is this: that Indian Muslims are very much part and parcel of Indian society and this is the time-honoured result of an evolutionary process. The majority of them are not immigrants like European Muslims. In other words, Indian Muslims are very much Muslims of India. Thank you

    Shenaz Reply:

    A very well written article.

    Muslims are not just muslims but they are more than that. It depends on what you want to glorify and what you want to ignore. There is very much ignorance and misconceptions in our teachngs. Few months back, I visited an ‘elite’ educational institute in Gujarat and I was taken aback by the responses of the students. Are you a muslim or a parsi? If you are wearing jeans, then you can’t be a muslim. If you are educated and muslim and so on…….

    I maybe neither parsi nor a muslim or say that my parents liked the name. But am I not a normal human being?

    Do names also have religion and castes? then let me tell you ‘Sarah’ is a muslim, christian, hindu….a universal name.
    Sarah is one of the name of Devi Durga. Sarah is also a very famous christian and muslim name.

    All things are so closely related and infact have emerged from a single cell. But we love to remain ignorant.

    Anil Maheshwari Reply:

    Is there any room for reforms in Islam? I think ‘NO”. Don’t equate revivalism with reformation.

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    D10 Reply:

    I hope you will not take offence at this, but I feel that it is precisely this kind of thinking which is most damaging to our country, its ethos and its people. Whether or not Islam is ‘good’ or ‘bad’ or whether there is ‘room for reformation or not’ is not the issue. Terrorists and fundamentalists are people with hidden agendas and stunted mental growth, who more often than not, use religion to justify what they do. And religion being such a sacred subject is considered above criticism. The point I’m making is that there is no point in judging a whole religion and its beliefs and painting it with the same black brush. Everywhere there is room for interpretation. It is the people and the narrow parochial thinking which is to be attacked. And religion is NOT the root of that. The root of that is indoctrination and alienation. There are fundamentalists in every religion. Does anyone say that Hinduism is ‘beyond’ reform, just because of some crazy people like the RSS and MNS? No – because we are able to judge these lunatics for what they are – lunatics – who are in no way an advertisement for their purported religious beliefs. Similarly, a Muslim bomber, is more importantly a bomber, and that is to be condemned.

    I think this article is a very well written one. It brings home something I’ve felt for a long time. Alienation has grown among the Muslim community largely because of a lack of positive interaction between the two. If I have had only one or no Muslim friends while growing up, I have a greater likelihood of developing prejudices and myths about them in my mind compared to someone who might have had more Muslim acquaintances, and vice versa. This culture of suspicion is something which the younger generation (which I hope is more educated and enlightened) needs to end.

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    Amit Mishra Reply:

    A very thought provoking article. Zia’s view’s would be shared by most secular people. But i strongly beleive the the community must try to create a leadership to put forth their positive aspect’s of the entire community. This would dispel the wrong notions being propogated by vested interests.

    Anil Maheshwari Reply:

    On my one line comment questioning the scope for “Reforms” in Islam, I received the following email but I do not find this comment here. For the Benefit of others, I am reproducing the same:

    “Anil, Unfortunately you know nothing about Islam often stereotyped as regressive, women subjugator incompatible with democracy and first world progressive ideas. Reform is an integral part of islam and whenever faced with new challenges that threatened to throttle islam( the first and second fitnah, the hashishin ,etc) reformists rose again and again to the challenge. People like Imam Al-Ghazali. The trouble started when the so called gates of Ijtihad were closed. We have enough trouble at our hands and are trying to deal with it (maybe in a haphazard manner, but then societies are not chemical laboratories where reactions can take at standard conditions). So kindly refrain from such stupid sweeping generalizations.”
    I am unfortunate, ignorant, making stupid sweeping globalizations. I have to add nothing. I would have been happy if any instance of reform movement in Islam, a religion of book, would have been quoted. As a pleasant surprise, however, the writer of the hate mail admitted that “the trouble started when the so called gates of ijtihad were closed”.

    sonam Reply:

    Why should any muslim needs to prove his identity to any one. And our Hindu swami’s ( sadhwi )are involved in supporting terrorist, then why only muslims need to prove there identity. In india it’s not about religion it’s just about money. everyone just want to check that if someone has money & power, then they r not suspects. I m sorry but it’s my view.

    Mayank Reply:

    its right criminal/terrorists can belong to any community , but excess of anything always create problems.currenrly it comes from muslim community thats why they are required to are this.

    Anindya Reply:

    Zia, thanks for posting this.
    Sure, you are an Indian and a Muslim. I am not even asking you to choose one over another. It is my firm belief that we are a sum of our many identities. You are also western educated, live in a city and hold a job in a mainstream publication.
    In the spirit of open discussions, I submit that the reason Muslims become objects of special scrutiny are their perceived inability to step outside, even tentatively their Muslim identities. For example, one of the (Hindu) posters on this blog recounts an incidence from his childhood where he used to sit at the same lunch table as his Muslim friend who used to get beef from home. The subtext is, “hey, I am liberal and tolerant; I did not mind”. I have yet to come across a Muslim who would confess to having no problems sharing a table with a friend who is eating pork.
    Salman Khan recently raised eyebrows and invited censure for celebrating Ganapati festival at home. He is a celebrity and managed to get away. How many Muslims in India would say something like that?
    I am a beef-eating, pork-eating atheist who was born a Hindu. I love religious festivals because of my shameless love for food. My religion does not really care what I am.
    I hope we can have a giant “coming out” party for folks who are past the great debate about their religious identities.

    Spartacus Reply:

    Agreed

    arpana Reply:

    True Sonam no one needs to prove this or that. And as you point out terrorists/criminals can be belonging to any community or class. Many of the things that people here mention above are dead right. Also there’s a lot of false propaganda on all sides to keep vested interests.

    Kiran Mehta Reply:

    Muslim population growth fell from 32.9 per cent in 1981-91 to 29.3 per cent in 1991-2001. In the same period Hindu population growth fell from 22.8 per cent to 20.0 per cent. Overall, the picture is that while the Muslim population growth fell by 3.6 per cent, the Hindu population growth fell by 2.8 per cent; and the growth rate for the Muslim population has remained several points higher than the rates for others’. A 4% per annum (over 40% over a decade) growth rate could DOUBLE the population in 20 years. It is in the interest of all Indians (Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and others) to keep the growth rate as low as possible. A falling growth rate does not mean a decline in population. It just means slower increase – but increase nevertheless.

    Zia Haq Reply:

    Absolutely no disagreement over the fact that unsustainable population holds back development. But to impute anti-national motives to Muslim population growth rate is not right. It is indeed in the interest of all Indians to keep the growth rate as low as possible.

    Spartacus Reply:

    No offense to anyone, just keep your faith private and personal, worship stone or any object, just don’t throw at me. Faiths need tolerance either they are imperialist Christianity or Islam or Evolved faiths like Hinduism. Islam is the only true religion (in other words, other faiths are false? and Prophet Muhammad is the last messenger (So there is no scope for others in future). Ostriches of Sahara insert their heads in the sand when there is a storm? Are we ostriches here? There is a problem, open your eyes.

    Rituraj Reply:

    “Faiths need tolerance either they are imperialist Christianity or Islam or Evolved faiths like Hinduism”

    doesn’t this sentence contradict itself?
    Darwin had nothing to do with Hinduism, the last time i checked.

    Irfan Reply:

    I have only one observation; aren’t we better off calling ouselves Muslim Indians, rather than Indian Muslims? The former denotes an Indian who happens to be a Muslim; the latter denotes someone who is first and foremost a Muslim who happened to be born in India.

    This may be a subtle distinction but it makes a huge difference. Indianness is what’s common to all of us; all our other identities – religion, language, profession, education – while being important, should be secondary.

    Consider how Americans describe themselves – Native American, Asian American, African American etc.

    And yes, I disagree with the poster above who says that Muslims worldwide are Muslims first and then anything else. At least it shouldn’t be that way. This kind of mentality earns us the distrust of our fellow citizens.

    Spartacus Reply:

    Evolution is not confined with living being only, society evolves and yeah Darwin did not evolve the word, “Evolution”. Evolution is not confined with Darwinism, or in other words, evolution doesn’t need a tag or certificate from Charles Darwin. Imperialist faith, Christianity is relatively much more tolerant than what it used to be during the medieval period, in other words, na’ah “Faiths need tolerance either they are imperialist Christianity or Islam or Evolved faiths like Hinduism” doesn’t contradict. Intolerance in Hinduism is mere counter-reaction to intolerant faiths and their activities.

    nbz Reply:

    Anil,

    In context of the “hate” mail that you have received I would suggest that you read Karen Armstrong’s “Islam A short History” (btw – she is not a muslim). her lectures are available on fora Tv ( http://fora.tv/2006/11/20/Karen_Armstrong) you can also visit TED (http://www.ted.com/) for her “TED wish”.
    Hope this opens up the gates of knowlegde and understanding in you. ;-)

    Anil Maheshwari Reply:

    ‘Mashallah’, you have spared me of adjectives which you used in your earler mail. Thanks for suggesting the book by Karen Armstrong. However, my question” give me a single instance of reform in Islam during its 1400-year old history” still remains unanswered by you, the writer of this post and others. I am really ignorant, rather callously ignorant. Pl. open the gates of knowledge and understanding in me but pl. give the answer of my query.

    nbz Reply:

    Anil,

    Boy i am surprised to hear from you. Well before i write anything i must say that you should not be so opinionated. There wasn’t any “Hate” in my comment. It’s just that generalizations just put me off, be islam or muslims, religion, caste or something like regional chauvinism or anything that you may want to think of. We all have our prejudices and then tend to look for facts that support them and that is something that drives me up the wall. ( i hope you don’t get me wrong here. i ain’t doing any preaching out here)
    Any ways coming to the reform issue, in Islam reform is a constant process. Soon after the death of the Prophet several political assasinations took place causing a leadership crisis which seemed to threaten the very existence of islam. They are reffered to as the “Fitnah”( First and the second). Then in the 11 th century arose the the Hashishin (the word assassin is derived from it). again islam rose to the challenge ( you will find more on this in Karen Armstrong’s book that i have mentioned). there are many other instances where reforms have taken place but i have limited knowledge on them hence would not prefer to elaborate on that) you can also read John l esposito’s “Islam the straight path” and “The Oxford History of Islam “. I would recommend his “Islam and Democracy” also.

    take care
    nbz

    Ps. I have a soft copy of armstrong’s book. if you want i could send it to you.

    Mandeep Reply:

    Yet, whenever I am asked if I am a Muslim or an Indian first, then I my answer is I don’t answer stupid questions….
    This is a real pain area Zia…We are Marathi… Bengali or Bihari first and than Indian. Similarly We are Hindu..Christian or Muslim first and than Indians. I am waiting for the day when it will be reverse. Perhaps we can achieve this by the end of this century. By then our education system and politicians would be mature enough, who will make us Indians first and we are no more Marathi or Bengali or Hindu etc.

    arpana Reply:

    Anil bhai! since you quote the mail as u say for our benefit, there is nothing “hateful” about it. isme “hate” wali baat kya hai? It’s full of information.

    sonu Reply:

    “Those of us who chose to stay put after the Partition, did so not to ‘colonise’ or ‘Islamise’ India but to continue remaining who they are: Indian Muslims.”

    Zia,
    These were same “Indian Muslims” who demanded for Pakistan, many stayed in India and many went to Pakistan.

    How the Muslims who stayed in India are are different from those in Pak or Bangladesh?

    In every country where Muslims are in majority we have seen how badly minorities are treated, how are Indian Muslims different?

    Who decides that who should stay in India? Any one can decide that India is there home? Like illegal Bangladeshi’s in Assam. (Indian govt can give citizenship to these illegal people but not to NRI’s who send money back home.)

    Muslims who stayed back here did so to “Islamise India”, what can not be achieved during 700 years of Muslim rule. Best examples are Indonesia and Malaysia where once they were Hindu kingdom and now Islamic states. With 500-700 years Islam penetrated society of these nations.

    They have now made rules (sharia) and other so that their minority embrace Islam. If you are not aware go and search some articles on this on google.

    Why is that we do not hear of following terms more often: I have never heard of these:
    “Indian Sikhs”
    “Indian Christians”
    “Indian Buddhist”
    “Indian Hindus”
    “Pakistani Sikhs”
    “Pakistani Hindus”

    Why only we hear “Indian Muslims” and their “issues” and “issues” with them?

    During my college days I can still recall how a small fight between two Muslims during cricket match turned into Hindu-Muslim fight.

    I can recall support for Pakistan during cricket match among Muslims in Aurangabad.
    Ask following questions to a Muslim:
    Why can’t you sing Vande matram?
    Is Koran or land of law (constitution) supreme?
    Uniform civil code in India.
    Why is that Muslims in India do not invest in BSE/NSE?

    “Whenever I am asked if I am a Muslim or an Indian first, then I my answer is I don’t answer stupid questions”
    Zia,
    Can you tell me why this question is not asked to a Sikh, Hindu , Jain, Buddhist, Parsi, Christian living in India? Why only this question is asked to Muslims?

    It’s time Muslims should take religion lightly…….Religion no matter what is made by man.

    Zia Haq Reply:

    Having read both Maheshwari’s one-line comment and D10’s views to my blog, I can hastily reach one conclusion: that Islam and Muslims are understood very differently by different people.

    The problem with Maheshwari’s opinion, if I may say, has to do with the very way he has opened the critical door. He summarily concludes with a form NO on whether reform is possible in Islam or not. His view is rooted in a view that Islam is rigid, and ironically, that view itself is an inflexible and rigid one.

    D10 has already given us the answer: “Everywhere there is room for interpretation.” I have already stated in this blog that we will very creatively and exhaustively try to address the issue of reform. There is a reformist tradition in Islam. It –believe it or not — began with the Prophet himself. In Islam, there are the Texts and the Contexts. You cannot change the texts. So, what do we do? We change the Contexts. Reformist traditions have already started taking roots. Watch this space for more. Thank you

    Prabhakar Reply:

    Zia, you may be the only son of your father, but the average family size of Muslim family is larger than non Muslim family with same level of education and income.
    While India’s fertility rate has reduced to below 3 per couple, Pakistan’s continues to be higher than 4 and just below 5.
    Islam does divide the world into two areas – Darul – Harab (land of Kafirs like India) and Darul Islam – land of believers like Pakistan. And for Muslims to say that they are Indians first is like “Sau Chuhe Khake Bill Haj Ko Chali” or Jinnah wanting Secular Pakistan after millions were killed during Partition.
    And while there are terrorists amoung non Muslims, a very large proportion of terrorist violence has roots in Islam
    You may find difficult to believe this, I actually love Muslims, it is Islam that one is scared of.

    arpana Reply:

    Well answered Zia. Looking forward to your future postings:) We need many such churning(s). I think the problem also is, that people with various ideas are not really talking with each other. They are just at each other. Maheshwari, no offence meant, but If one is really seeking answers to one’s questions, one would find them. One just has to search. But if one doesn’t even begin to look for them, how is one ever going to find them. To begin with, there’s plenty of matter for you to chew on at the following group blog http://indianmuslims.in/

    Zia Haq Reply:

    The word “stody” in the second line of the first para should have read “study” The word “now” in the last line of the second para should have read “know”. Regret the typographical errors./Zia

    Anand Dubey Reply:

    I like the way you and many see, . I have lots of muslims friends and family friends. I am aware Islam and muslim culture (which is Indian culture). The experience I had puzzled me and my Muslim friend. As friends we decided to get admission in same college, which we did, It was a muslim majority college. The was the only college we could go together due to my friends little lower score and my being otherwise. I was among few Hindu in the college. That was the time I made best muslim friends, but then one night as we were watching India vs. Pakistan Cricket match. To my surprise I saw overwhelming support for pakistan cricket team, and only few Indian cricket team supporters in the hostel. There were strong Muslim Indian supporter and very strong muslim Pakistan supporter. All these students are Indian. It blew my mind and my Muslim friend was outraged with what he saw.
    The point here is Hindus are open to all religion and group of society which if you see in history they have been. I believe Islam or any other religion if practiced in its real sense will lead to harmony. But you understand why may Hindus or Sikh or Christian or Jain or Buddhist have that narrow look on muslims some times. Now these same narrow eyed people when get to know muslim will open their heart wide to muslim friends.

    An action in society gives birth to a perception in the minds and believes in the hearts. This is when heart reads mind and mind analysis heart, results in extremists. Peace.

    Desh Reply:

    Personally, I believe the struggle between Islam is really the struggle between Dara Shikoh and Aurangzeb. That’s all. And unfortunately, Aurangzeb has always won.

    There is a reason why Maheshwari says that reform is not possible in Islam. Dayanand Saraswati fought with the Pandits of Benaras. Yet, his sect is within the fold of “Hinduism”. You don’t find anybody going out to hit an Arya Samaji simply because he has a different interpretation of Vedas or believes the idols in the rest of the temples are not useful.

    But can the same be said about Ahmediyas? Shias? Baha’is? or others? Can the reformist be a part of the broader Muslim community AFTER he has given a call for reform?

    The truth is that Salafi/Wahabi Islam has failed in being a humanistic tradition. It may have succeeded in killing off the Sufi Islam, which was really the Islam that should have succeeded and thrived. But the history has been otherwise.

    Beyond the semantics and anecdotal “proofs” of moderate Muslims, which carry very little weight in the face of actual reality in any Islamic society; the truth is that Sufi Islam is the ONLY redemption for the Muslims society. Or the question – Can Dara Shikoh live? It is really that simple.

    Cheers,
    Desh
    Drishtikone.com

    Ruchi Ahuja Reply:

    Well said, Zia.
    Well, there is an irony of religion in India.
    Hindus are “scared” of the minority.
    The minorities — let me not single down on one — are “scared” of the majority (and other minorities).
    So, all are “scared” of one another. But isn’t this scare pulling us all down, not even leaving us to be good Indians. Most of us don’t choose our religion, rather born with it. So, why carry that badge over other important tags — Human, Indian…

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    Junaid Khan Reply:

    Well,

    A lot of good discussion above. I would like to make some points:

    * For every Mulsim in the world, He is Muslim First than anything else.
    * Extreme groups exist in every society and in the current Indian (Hundustani State), there are several Hindu extreme groups who publically mention there anger and hate towards Muslims in India and croos border.
    * I consider the current condition of Muslims of India as a “Cultural Genoicide” where they have been killed educationaly,culturaly,socially etc. They have lost their connection to the very roots of Islam ( With some exceptions)
    * If we consider the Islamic version of certain western and non islamic supported groups, than how would the justification of Muslim rule of India iteself and across the globe is justified?
    * Current global situation is a preplanned game in which a lot of stake holders are included for the Global domination, Islam is the only threat to them .
    * Diversity has been a great tool and pride for Muslim Societies over centuries, and for Subcontinent URDU is the shining example of the diverse society.
    * Where are the moderate voices when the Babri Masjid got demoished and several hundreds of Muslims get massacred by Hindu fanatics? Justice provides 80% or more harmony to the society and there are several verses and innumrable Fiqh rulings and systems defined for Justice in Islam.
    * Tribal customs must not be mixed with the concrete teachings of Islam.
    * Existence of Sufias in Subcontinent is the biggest example of moderation in this Deen-e-Islam.

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    Spartacus Reply:

    *Agreed
    *Hindu Hardliners and their hatred is counter reactive to the imperialist faiths like Islam and Christianity, who consider that other religions have no right to exist.
    *Anything will be cultural genocide, if you don’t tow the line of Talibani mentality, anyway what sort of genocide is taking place in Pakistan? Which genocide in Pakistan cleansed once 20% Hindus less than 1% ? Was it something like what happened to Kashmiri Pundits?
    *Western religions are imperialists, Christianity is reformed and more diplomatic, Islam is pretty crude intolerant. It’s a fight between two imperialist ideologies, Islam and Christianity.
    *There are two violent faiths, so obviously they are threat to each other. Anyway, Islam is in Medieval period and Christianity is in current era. Oh yeah, Islam and Muslims are more insecure, because they don’t even allow their followers to leave the religion.
    *Diversity in Islam, are you dreaming? What sort of diversity is there in Muslim world? Pakistan 99% muslims, Bangladesh 90% and dwindling minorities, middle east, you can’t even practice your faith.
    *Islam is a imperialist political religion.
    *Sufism had more influence of Hinduism.

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  • Partho

    “Full loyalty is not possible because Muslims in themselves form a political community that over-rides national loyalty. With this, I disagree. Political Islam is not an immutable Islamic concept and Muslims in India have never, ever dreamt of a theocratic state.”

    I disagree with you, Zia. Are you telling me that the concept of Ummah does not touch the average ‘normal’ Muslim (India or anywhere else in the world)? If you look at the history of Christianity, it too went through a similar crises with papal edicts demanding fealty from citizens of free states. It resulted in the strengthening of non-romish churches. Nothing of that sort has yet happened to the Muslim sensibility.

    Another example of this sensibility: I have often asked new Muslim acquaintances this question,’what language do you speak at home?’ And the majority of the responses, ‘Arre! I’m Muslim, we speak Urdu at home’. So when I protest and say, ‘your surname is from Konkan/Gujarat/.. why don’t you speak Konkani/Kutchi/…?’, I get a bewildered gaze. The very idea seems wierd to the person. This raises the question: what kind of cultural embedding has happened in the last 800 years? It seems that Muslims have increasingly looked to the West (as far as Arabia) to seek their roots, alienating their blood-ties and linguistic affiliations.

    It is not unfair to then conclude that Muslims have, by and large, identified themselves as the ‘other’. The exceptions have been the South and the East where Malayalam and Bangla have not been disowned, and cultural traditions have continued and not been replaced by Arab ideas.

    In passing, another interesting thought: why is a Date required to break the fast during Roza? I have seen friends carry a small packet of dates for this purpose. One might say, this is a small, inconsequential issue. I say that it is in these small details that the sensibilities are revealed. Had cultural synthesis happened then Muslims would not have sought a desert fruit, the only fruit available to the Prophet and his followers in those parched, barren lands. It would have been replaced by local, real alternatives. Ask yourself the question: has it happened?

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  • Sanjay

    Dear Zia,
    In every sociey you have mixed people some opposing you some believing you. You will find that there are Hindus supporting/opposing you. Its not that the total Hindu community is opposing Muslims. We should I believe that we all should be citizens of India first then Hindus/Muslim/ Sikh/ Parsis/Jains etc. I am at pain when I come to know that a Muslim is treated badly just because he is a Muslim. Its not only in India but across the world that Muslims are viewed with suscpicion. I think educated Muslims like u should come forward and work towards changing this concept. Terrorism in name of religion has to be stopped. Oppose people from your religion who are bringing bad name to your religion be willing and take extrat step to coooperate with law. This is what a Maulana from Mira Road along with Muslim had done few days back. Why is it that when there is a India- Pakistan match. Some people support goes for Pakistan. Is it because it is a muslim country. if that is the criteria then ask them to see the plight of the muslim who have left India to stay in pakistan. Do i need to tell that they are called ” Mujahir”. You should be opposing such people who are not loyal to their country. This rules applies to people from other religion staying in India also. There are people/ leaders on both side who use dvisive politics for their gains. We all should not heed to their advise. Lastly dont based your decision one few instance. Did HT tell you that you are a muslim and we would not hire you. Did the school/ society adopted this approach when you were kid. India has always treated people from all religion with same respect. Last request lets be an Indian first then a Hindu or a Muslim.

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  • KK

    Dear Zia Haq,
    Your efforts are appreciable, however, there are fundamental things which muslim intelectuals should seriously and urgently address. Intelectuals/rationals fought over a 100 years to fight chirstian religious fundamentalists in Europe to separate religion from the state institutions. Power of Chistrianity is limited to Vartican City when it comes to state affairs, otherwise in no christian dominant country religion interefer with state/political/social affairs. In India, Hindu intelectuals/rationals have been fighting against odd caste systems and successfully abolisehd Sati pratha and many other issues etc. Since independence in India Hindu personal law is totally modernised without taking into account religious groups. Despite many limitations, Hindu, Budist, Sikh have been more or less trying to modernise their religion like Christians, Jewes and other religious people faught against fanaticism in the past (though every religion can still have few number phanatic group like chrisitain missionaries, Bajrang Dal etc but these are not dominant group). It may be partly true but it is not absolutely correct that there is Islamicphobia in western world. There are non-muslim scholars who have gone through holy book, some of the controversial things that you have tried to explain in your other article. But rarely islamic religious people give intelectuals a chance to interpret independently even though they are muslim in a civil society (you can say Islamic intelectuals have failed in front of their phanatic people till now). Unfortunately, in most Islamic country including India (Muslim Personal Law) still religion has the main role in the political system as Sharia law, many of those social rules and regulations were made in about 1500 years ago and in modern sense looks rubbis (like Hindu caste system, remeber our law does not support caste system though socially still it deserves more work). Islamic intelectuals have failed to support open views or criticism on Islam due to strong religious phanatic people in their community unlike Hindu, Budhist, Jewes or Chritian community. Recently pope misquoted on Jewes religion, but unlike burning the embassy (like Danish cartoonist issue), the Jewes community opposed it in more civilized way by directly meeting with the pope. Later on things cooled down between two religion and things were sort out between two religious communities. One of the reasons Islam got caught in modern world as aggressive and radical religion is that Islamic intelectuals/rational became silent on important social issues encouraging fudamentalists or phanatic people to dominate the religion. I will not say Hindu is perfect but the way its evolving it is less dangereous and more acceptable to modern days and recent time to come (thanks to people like Mahatma Gandhi, Jawahar Lal Nehru, Sardar Patel and other). Fortunatly, there were/are few Indian muslim showing hope for the Islam community in India unlike many other countries in the world, like Molana Abdul Kalam and few others. People like you need to be much more stronger …… not for the shake of Hindu -Muslim conflict but for the shake of intelectual – phanatic Muslim conflict, the day you will win over phanatic muslim that day I am sure Islamicphobia will die for ever in western world. Its a fight within Islam and its the biggest challenge for many countires all over the world.
    Western world does not have any thing called Budhistphobia or Hinduphobia, so why it should have Islamicphobia if you can able to show the world truth?

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  • KK

    Additionally, a Hindu intelectual does not run away when it comes to castism or widow issues rather talks over it, why does Muslim intelectual do not discuss their religious problems openly? Why do Indian muslim watch PakistaniTV? Does Hindu watch Pakistanitv? Why do Indian muslim allegedly show loyal to Pakistan? Does Indian Hindu care more about Hindu in Pakistan or Bangladesh? You must be knowing conditions of Hindu in those countries. Hindu intelectuals care more about Indian muslim over Hindu in other countries, why? Why for many muslim prioritising religion and nation become a stupid question, where as a Hindu intelectual can confidently chose his/her nation? Islam has been seriously interfering in state affairs since centuries that’s the only reason why a muslim intelectual fails to say what a Hindu intelectual can confidently say. One fundamental problem, religion takes a first place among muslim all over the world whereas in other religion it can take a minor place. Unless Islamic intelectuals come forward and dominate the phanatic people, Islam will continue to be misunderstood in all over the world.

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  • http://p_rajag@yahoo.com Mauryan

    Zia,

    Somehow, due to the global terrorism events linking radical Muslims has changed the perspective about Muslims in general. Forgive my saying, in the US, UK and other “developed” nations, they view the black communities with a prejudice – crime infested, drugs, prostitution, school drop outs, convicts etc.. When people, including Indians go into black neighborhoods, go with a sense of increased alertness. I have been advised many times not to park the car, not to ask for directions etc. And many poor black kids do indulge in mugging, teenage pregnancy, gang activities etc. As soon as they show blacks in the media, they play the rap music, which is supported by drug dealers. Is it wrong to classify all blacks as criminals? Strictly NO. But then the image has been created, not entirely by others, but by the actions of many individuals belonging to the black community.

    The same thing has happened to Muslims across the world. There are lot of forward looking Muslims and intellectuals. I admire people like Irshad Manji who have been very open in questioning many tribal tenets in Islam that do not fit any spiritual aspects. And she is threatened with death sentences in many Islamic nations. This creates a very negative image. I admire people like Shabana Azmi who are a pride of India.

    I think there is nothing much we can do about the perspectives of different communities across the world. Things will go through their own evolutionary paths. Once upon a time, the Catholic controlled Europe in the medieval ages was as brutal as today’s Islamic world. This is just the sign of times. Hopefully, progress will happen and things will change.

    Anti Muslim mindset has become like Anti-semitic, Anti-Negro mindset unfortunately. It will take a long time for things to heal. Islam in today’s world has to adapt to the changes. It cannot be rigidly stuck in the 600ADs. Many of the tribal customs of those days do not make any sense. And Muslims must come forward to shed them from within. Only then the world will stop looking at them with suspicion and mistrust.

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    Rituraj Reply:

    a suggested read : http://hubpages.com/hub/Assam-Nellie-Massacre-Eyewitness-Journalist

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  • Ifran

    Great blog, keep it up.

    I have only one observation; aren’t we better off calling ouselves Muslim Indians, rather than Indian Muslims? The former denotes an Indian who happens to be a Muslim; the latter denotes someone who is first and foremost a Muslim who happened to be born in India.

    This may be subtle but it makes a huge difference. Indianness is what’s common to all of us; all our other identities – religion, language, profession, education – while being important, should be secondary.

    And yes, I disagree with the poster above who says that Muslims worldwide are Muslims first and then anything else. At least it shouldn’t be that way.

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  • Sanjay

    Junaid, Get your facts right. Certainly there was a huge uproar from Hindu Moderate when Babri Masjid was demolished or the Gujarat Incident. Recently you would have heard that a Masjid was blown up in Pakistan. What were you and your other Muslim friend doing when such incident happen. You will turn a blind eye to such incident and always crib that you people are treated badly in India and there is “Cultural Genoicide” where Muslims have been killed educationaly, culturaly, socially etc. Who has stopped you from taking education or doing what your culture says. Indian goverment funds for the Haj Trip or the Schools run by Urdu Medium. Yes countries are fighting to be a super power but they are not doing in name of religion. Yes you will never comment about the autrocities commited by the terrorist. Certainly Islam is one of the best relgion of the world which teaches to live in harmony, love your neighbour, protect the weaker section. No religion allows you to take life of any other person. Some people have their own way of interpretaions due to which they bring bad name for their religion. See the plight of Indian Muslim leaving in Pakistan they are called “Mujahir” they left India to be with people of their religion and see what they are getting in return. Certainly Muslim living in India have more rights and freedom then their counterpart Hindu leaving in Pakistan. Let me ask one question how many muslims have voiced their anger when there is a terrorist attack in Kashmir. What about the Hindu Pandits who are forced to Leave their Home land. Will you or your friends speak for them. Ask yourself that question first.

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  • Sanjay

    Zia, Its because of people like you Muslim Khan is making a statement that the Hindu government is making autorcities on Muslims. You complain that people should not call you only Muslim. Then prove by action with a blog stating that you stand by India and we do not need Taliban over here. I do not deny that there are incidients in the recent past in which Muslims were treated badly. But certain cases cannot be treated as the land of the law.

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  • indian

    Hi

    If you have time, please read. Have received this article from a friend…..please go through it, sift through the dust & see (if possible!) the truth in India!

    India is under an armed attack from within and
    without. An undeclared war has been unleashed on
    Hindus. Hizbul Mujahideen chief Salahuddin has planned
    to send 400 trained terrorists to launch terror strikes
    during the country’s general elections in April/May
    2009. Another Muslim terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Toiba
    has threatened to target India’s senior scientists and its
    top Hindu politicians. . According to one report in
    The Times of India, 107 people have been killed and 449
    others injured in bomb blasts that have rocked Assam in the
    last six months U.S. State Department has
    said that there were at least 971 Naxalite attacks in the
    first seven months of 2007.

    During the last five years of United Progressive Alliance
    government led by the Congress Party, India has touched the
    nadir of humiliation and degradation in post-independence
    era. At this time, thousands of Jihadists and Maoists
    are being trained to destabilize India.. The lack of
    political will in India, deep vested interest of political
    class coupled with the vote bank politics has emboldened
    various cabals of terrorists to kill innocent people and
    spread anarchy all over India.

    The deadly combination of radical Islamic and Maoist terror
    is the single biggest internal security threat to India’s
    existence as an independent nation. Several
    mini-Pakistans have sprung up all over India. Azamgarh
    region in Uttar Pradesh and southern sate of Kerala have
    become breeding ground for Islamic terrorism. Muslim
    Sleeper cells all over the country are waiting for a signal
    to commence the subversive activities and bleed India to
    death.

    Both these fanatic groups want to tear India apart.
    They are guided by the foreign ideologies. Their loyalty to
    India is highly questionable. Islamic fundamentalists
    is funded by the Hawala money. Hence no information is
    available on the government records. However,
    according to the Home Ministry Report for year 2005-06,
    posted by Sanjeev Nayyar at ExploreIndia@ vsnl.net
    mailto:ExploreIndia@ vsnl.net
    , Rs. 7,877 crores were sent to India by way of
    contributions. One other report indicates that between year
    1993-94 and 2006-07, a staggering sum of Rs. 64,670 crores
    was sent to India from Western countries. Bulk of this
    money goes to Missionaries in India who convert poor Hindus
    to Christianity. After converting to Christianity,
    these people join the Maoist movement, kill their own
    brothers and create chaos and mayhem all over India.

    The magnitude of danger posed to the survival of India in
    one piece can be gauged from the following few
    examples. Maoists have already overthrown the Hindu
    government and taken over the neighboring Nepal.
    Naxalites-Maoists now have a presence in 40% of India’s
    geographical area. In the last two years,
    Naxal-related violence has already claimed the lives of 700
    people in India including 250 security personnel. In
    2008, India’s Central Reserve Police Force in its
    operations in 18 states seized 7,000 kg of explosives
    According to an estimate made by the Police, about 5000
    Maoists armed with AK-47 rifles, mortar and rocket launchers
    and land mines are very active in this area. These are
    backed by another 20,000 cadres who carry self-loading
    rifles. It should be clear from the above that a
    diabolical conspiracy has been hatched to create an
    interregnum in India, destabilize its economy and finally
    balkanize India on the lines of Soviet Union or
    Yugoslavia.

    Radical Islamists are ruthlessly killing Indian citizens,
    mostly Hindus, with impunity.. Due to its vested
    interest in Muslim votes, the Government of India, headed by
    the Congress Party, pursues pro-terrorist policies and
    deliberately downplays the heinous role played by Islamic
    sleeper cells in the terrorist attacks.

    Secularism has become an euphemism for the
    Hindu-bashing. Hindu has become a dirty word in the
    lexicon of phony-secularists. Any person espousing the
    Hindu cause is dubbed communal. That person is
    harassed, demonized and his/her voice is gagged. If
    the person displays any signs of stubbornness, that person
    is put in jail under the National Security Act a la Varun
    Gandhi!

    On the other hand, no action is taken to hang the convicted
    terrorist Afzal Guru, the mastermind behind the 2001 attack
    on India’s Parliament. No action is taken against
    the Kashmiri Muslims who burn the Indian flag in full public
    view. No action is taken against the Muslim legislator
    of UP who had announced Rs. 50 lakh award to anyone who
    would behead the Danish cartoonist allegedly to have
    insulted Prophet Mohammed! No action was also taken
    against the Ulema Council members who unfurled Indian flag
    upside down in a public rally in New Delhi. This
    utterly unfair treatment of Hindus in their own country is
    the closest thing to the Islamic rule of Aurangzeb.

    Elections 2009 will start from April 16th. This is a
    crucial time for the Indian electorate. They get an
    opportunity to decide whether they want to be ruled by the
    Gandhi Dynasty or the nationalist parties like BJP. The
    other lesser choices they have are the Leftist-Islamist
    combine supported by selfish and greedy Hindus who derive
    inspirations from Russia/China/ Pakistan, or by the castiest
    leaders and regional satraps.

    It is about time the Hindus learn from Muslims and
    Christians who almost invariably vote strategically and en
    block. If Hindus use their common sense, intelligence,
    financial resources and cast their votes en block in favor
    of those candidates who have the Hindu interests in their
    heart, they could jettison all anti-Hindu politicians
    and put their own candidates in Parliament.

    As declared by the Hindu Dharma Acharya Sabha, the apex
    representative body of all Hindus, every individual vote is
    sacred and sacrosanct.. If Hindus want to avoid five
    more years of ignominy and discomfiture and they want to
    live in India with self-respect and dignity, they should
    cast their vote judiciously in favor of those
    who can guarantee them safety and security. They
    should give their precious vote to those candidates who want
    to take Bharat Mata to the pinnacles of glory. Hindus
    should reject all other candidates outright who subscribe to
    the alien ideologies of hate and intolerance.

    Hindus and Sikhs are the backbone of Indian society and
    polity. India, as a country, is secular because the
    Hindus are in majority. Anyone working against Hindu
    interests should be treated as a traitor to the Hindu cause
    and should be boycotted socially. Therefore, it
    devolves on the 83% Hindu majority to show signs of courage
    and maturity, and vote only for those candidates that
    possess the brave kshatriya spirit to liquidate the enemies
    of nation.

    It is only through this vigorous and collective response
    from Hindu public that the India could be saved from
    becoming another Pakistan.

    Narain Kataria

    President

    Indian American Intellectuals Forum

    41-67 Judge Street, Suite#5P
    Elmhurst, New York 11373

    (718) 478-5735

    katarian@aol. com

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  • http://gmail.com sonali

    hi Zia sir ,

    i just want to know (frm all who commented on this article)does only islam need reform , dont u think tat hindusm , sikhism or buddism doesnt need any reform i think tat all of us need reform .I just wnt to highlight tat minority always feel aleination in b/w majority . Whether a hindu lives in muslim majority, or muslim in hindu majority , a sc in b/w higher class,bhiharis in delhi etc this is not a problm of any specific religion this the problem with all of us as v get this caste & religion teachng frm our elder ones……..so all of us think in the same way tat is why if any leader say anythng about caste & religion he got such a huge publicity as in case of varun gandhi

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  • Anil Kumar

    Seriously why do we keep hearing Babri Mosque which came on the ruins of temple in first place.. ( ASI investigation confirms it now , for instance bricks on mosques had sriram engraved on it )

    Anyway much beofre babri in Kashmir in 1990 600 temples were razed over night noone talks about that

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  • Asif Iqbal

    Brother Zia,

    Well said. Excellent presentation.

    Points I have are parallel but with a different view – And I take the liberty to present them in the essence of Quranic teachings –

    Holy Quran – Chapter 5 Verse 32 : Invite all to the way of Allah, with wisdom and beautiful preaching. And argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.

    1] “I am also sorry to hear that we only wear our religion on our sleeves; that we fail to integrate and mainstream ourselves; ”

    Mainstream – if you could throw some more light on what is defined as mainstream ? I do not wish to assume and hence it is important we define the right parameters of a discussion.

    The best form of integration is Democracy. Islam’s core principles are based on democracy and Indian constitution is based on the same. The constitution defines equality – and Islam practices democracy 5 times a day.

    2] Sometime ago, an egregious text message did the rounds. All Muslims aren’t terrorists, it stated, but all terrorists are Muslims. With this, I disagree, for we only have to look at history.

    I agree with your argument. Taking the liberty to add –

    Holy Quran 2:11&12 When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only want to make peace!”. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realize (it) not.

    Clearly, each human can cross their heart and we’ll know, who is making mischief, as well claiming to be the makers of peace. It is not rocket science. The UN charter gives the right to any nation, community, group of people to defend their basic rights. Add to that the history you referenced, I am sure its a no brainer.

    3] “Large Muslim households are the consequence of an express ambition to Islamise India. With this, I disagree. ….”

    I disagree too. In my mind the reason is the belief in Allah, in his words – He is the best planner and he shall provide substance to all born, which he promises. It is this belief that has led to the phenomena of large families and nothing else.

    Islam allows contraception but not abortion (unless the life of the mother is in danger).

    4] “Full loyalty is not possible because Muslims in themselves form a political community that over-rides national loyalty. With this, I disagree. …”

    I disagree too. The reason for this again being, there is nothing in the Code of Quran that can go contrary to the basic principles of democracy. And the law of land is ordained to be respected and obeyed unless the same is used to oppress and victimize for one being a Muslim.

    5] “The Hindu India has been far more synchronised to the emerging global order and has treated modernity as opportunity: the language of Bollywood is more like that of Hollywood and our fashion more Paris, etc. The vast majority of Muslim India has however resisted modernity, treating it as a threat.”

    You actually answer my original question here – and I take the liberty to understand your definition of mainstream.

    Brother, the resistance is not due to threat. The resistance is due to despise.

    We Muslims, respect the chastity of women, and therefore do not subscribe to fashion that only reduces women to objects of pervert glorification.

    We do not subscribe to interest based business where risk is not proportionality shared between both the parties. The consequence is clear – the down fall of the entire financial industry.

    We do not believe in commercialization of economy and letting it being exploited by those you are ‘haves’ and therefore let our farmers the ‘have nots’ die. We believe in inclusive growth.

    We do not believe in philanthropy being individual dependent, we believe in it as a discipline. The principle of Zakat. The economy that cannot take care of its farmers has a lot to think about. Following the principle of Zakat, I as a muslim think about it each year.

    The paradigm shift here is, the more closer I look, the more confident I become that following the basic principle of Islam has made me and others like me far more progressed and the rest of the world.

    This actually makes me ask the question once again. What is Mainstream?

    Peace

    Asif Iqbal

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  • gopi thomas

    You are absolutely right. Rehman is everybody’s idol/. So also, Shah ruh Khan. Talents get recognized.

    The muslim clerics and the leaders aligned to them have done a gross injustice. With all India’s problems, there were schools, colleges, and universities; most of thems subsidized by government, most of them free for backward castes and MSulims; but Muslims never took advanatge of those.. Without education, coupled with the boom in early 1990s, Muslims were left ebhind. But instead of garssroot activism, they went on asking for more government help.. Governments are inefficient; even if they allocate money.

    The constant griping has to end. Discrimination is faced by many; on language, caste, region, way of dressing etce tc. It is not an unique Muslim thing. All of us have to
    work hard to eliminate this. It is a never ending process, ebcause, we as human ebings will always find a reason to discriminate. In pakistan, it will be Punjabi muslims against Wazirstan muslims. In Iraq, it is between sunni and shia msulims.

    India is a work in progress with enormous potentials and a rich heritage. It is for us to continuously polish his rough diamond.

    Education is the only key; achievements are the tickets.

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  • ashish

    No Muslim has the right to say that Islam is the religion of peace and Islam promotes unity and blah, blah blah till he can silence a certain person called Ali Sina.(By silence I mean refute his arguments successfully, not kill him as most muslims would take it).

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