What defines success



Once again murmurs are on in the fashion field here. The word around is that there are two fashion events coming to Delhi soon and which one is going to be better.

The newcomer claims that there are plenty of big names on his side and that he will leave no stone unturned to make his entry into the Capital a huge affair. And the other one, an established on with a proven track record and backed by the fashion designer’s council, is also bound to be an affair to remember. But one of them got to be better than the other. But how is this going to happen?

If you ask me, I don’t really go by the names of fashion designers that appear on the fashion runway. So there really is. No point in throwing their big names on my face to show that one is bigger than the other. For me, I much rather see their collections on the runway, from a big name or a not-so-big name, and then decide.

I say this because I have seen crappy collections from designers with huge profiles and excellent ones from those who don’t have big names. End of the day what really matters is what they show on the runway and that will define the success of the event.

Add to that the crowd profile. At couture weeks its always good to have the creme-de-la-creme on the sides of the runways watching the presentation. If that’s missing, then there is a problem.

Plus, the settings and decor of the show also matters when it comes to a high-end showing. So let’s see who will put all these together one show after the other.

Then it will be time for us to decide who is the winner.

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  • Anonymous

    The problem is with the political class, and not anybody else (of course the “we” who elect these robbers).

    Congress has to assess whether Trinamool is a worthy partner (they do not have an alternative now; may be never, the way 2014 is shaping up).

    Something is seriously wrong when media and parties point to Anna team and its just or unjust demands, and give a free pass to the parliamentarians

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    That has been the problem from the day this anti corruption campaign started.
    Most of the media has been targeting all the members of team Anna while
    ignore the cause they are fighting for. Media seems to be partisan in this
    fight against corruption by civil scoiety.

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  • Bose DK

    Had K Bedi, P Bhushan and others been non-partisan, there would not have been such brouhaha about this bill. These people are neither the ruling party nor mandated as the Opposition. Their behavoiur leads one to the conclusion that there seems to be more than meets the eye vis-a-vis the motives and intentions behind this all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very true.

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  • Anonymous

    @Vinod Sharma happy New Year , must be raking in a lot, saw you in “We the people” , forgive my arrogance , would be interested in your curriculum vitae.
    Difficult to accept you are a very well read man.I mean what you write is so childish, like the following lines
    Yet, the fight against graft wouldn’t succeed the way people want without the civil society being a little more flexible and the political class a lot more accommodative

    FIGHT AGAINST MALARIA OR CHOLERA OR HUNGER IS NOT WON BY MAKING DEALS
    It is won by approaching it RATIONALLY AND SCIENTIFICALLY
    First need to identify the source , prevalence and magnitude, we need a CENTRE FOR CORRUPTION STUDIES. identify , analyse , then PLUG it with administrative reforms , more vigilance and TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS
    Also need AWARENESS, in UK there are regular TV advts asking people to report if they know someone who is working yet claiming DOLE MONEY. They dont need LOKPAL, just complaining to relevant dept , will suffice , and they have mechanism to catch the culprit.
    Also this business of Lokayukta and Lokpal.
    are you not aware THE LAW ENACTED BY CENTRE WILL ALWAYS SUPERSEDE THE LAWS ENACTED BY THE STATE WHEN IT IS IN CONFLICT.
    So the state CAN DO NOTHING but TOE THE LINE ,they can only have a say in the appointment , but as to its scope and powers IT CANNOT DILUTE NOR CAN IT TAMPER WITH THE CENTRAL LAW, UNLESS LOKAYUKTA IS COMPLETELY DELETED FROM THE CENTRAL LAW.
    Also in a classic THIRD WORLD HINDU delusion , never address the REAL CORRUPTION.
    Not a single blogger or yourself ever commented on ON THE LOOT OF KAVERI BASIN BY THE AMBANIS.
    Govt gives the ambanis permission to drill for oil , when their expertise is in short supply rather than rope in BP, THEY SELL THEIR RIGHT TO BP FOR 10 BILLION
    SHORTCHANGING GOVT OF INDIA. This is SUBLETTING.
    GOVT OF INDIA MIGHT WELL AS GIVEN THE RIGHT TO BP IN THE FIRST PLACE THE 10 BILLION WOULD COME TO THE GOVT COFFERS
    This is CORRUPTION , we all know HOW THERE A WAS A RESIDENT MOLE IN DELHI PASSING ALL POLICY DECISIONS AND INFLUENCING FOR THE AMBANIS.
    i think that was sometime in mid 1990

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nirad Babu,

    when you come out of the stupor induced by a combination of spurious liquor and shwethaling-aalingan, you may, just may, re-read the outpourings of your bakwas.

    There are clear cut areas and domains in our constitution for the centre and the states only in which they can legislate. The fomation of the lakayukta falls within the domain of the states. The centre CANNOT step into it and legislate for the formation of lokayuktas for the states simply because some states are unwilling to have them at all or have “timid lokayukta” as Vinodji put it.

    This anti-corruption bill is only for the government sector, which itself is a huge behemoth. The country can ill-afford to legislate, at this stage, against corruption in the private sector.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr. Sharma,

    Your only problem is this – why is Team Anna only targetting the UPA and not the whole political class. BJP or anyone else in opposition is not expected to support the govt. even when it comes with a toothless (did you say draconian!!!!!!!) bill.

    If you need the votes of BJP on a bill, it would only come with the amendments suggested by it. I didn’t vote for them so that they in turn vote for UPA’s bills in parliament.

    What was presented in the parliament was not Team Anna’s Jan Lokpal bill but Congress’s Lokpal bill – BJP never committed to support this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    good observation

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Swamy Agnivesh is kaavi-vesh outside and congress-vesh inside; also on the pay roll of Kapil Sibal.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Simply because Team Anna is just a front for the BJP

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha ha… b’coz Digvijay Singh told you so.

    I am sure you know the political leanings of the Bhushans and the (rightly) expelled Swami Agnivesh. One of the members Justice Hegde made sure that Yeddyurappa was out before he ended his term as the Karnataka Lokayukta.

    The Congressi bill has been sent to the place it belonged – trash.

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    Ravi Reply:

    If you need to know as to who told me, then we live on different planets.

    No further discussion necessary. You believe what you want to and I will what suits me.

    From the excerpt posted by Shoeb above…

    an opposition led by Bharatiya Janata Party seemed interested primarily in thwarting the government, and offering little in the way of a constructive alternate agenda……..

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP and constructive! It increasingly looks like an oxymoron.

    BJP is actually Bharatiya Reactionary Party – only reacting to the shenanigans of the Congress Party. How true – nothing alternate and better has come out of this party of …………. for a long time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you define a constructive opposition?

    An opposition which helps the govt. in passing hopelessly useless bill. Sorry Manohar, BJP would rather not be one if that’s the yardstick.

    Mr. Sibal said the same thing about BJP in parliament and was thoroughly rebuffed by Mr. Yashwant Sinha. You’d do well to read the transcript of his speech in Loksabha.

    And the constructive works of Congress includes: a) Waiving off farmer’s loan b) Saying Muslims have the first right on the resources of the nation c) Bringing NREGA which gives out money to people without acheiving anything significant in return and now d) bringing in Food Security Bill which means you’d buy expensive food grain from the market and give it away to people for having done nothing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    and Shoeb quoted Newyork Times
    and Newyork Times quoted Yogendra Yadav,
    and Yogendra Yadav is in the pay of Rajdeep Sardesai and rajdeep Sardesai is onthe pay roll of Manmohan Singh,
    and Manmohan Singh prostrates before Sonia Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi prostrates before the pope!

    Ravi Reply:

    And the pope does not give a flying hoot as to what Mohan Bhagwat thinks.

    Circle complete

    Anonymous Reply:

    As Congress is front of LeT and IM/SIMI.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    The Jan Lokpal Bill would have created a monster answerable to none with unlimited powers – a law unto itself. In a democratic set-up, there has to be checks and balances for every institution. Moreover, as I have said, most of the provisions of this bill were unconstitutional and some plain idiotic/bizarre.

    Team Anna’s draft is not some gospel document, which the parliament is duty bound to accept – in spite of the ’sense of the house’ resolution. That resolution only promised a strong Lokpal bill.

    BJP’s did not support the Government’s bill, simply because as events unfolded, it has become amply clear that Team Anna was/is the street-side gang for the RSS/BJP in what can be now termed as ‘Operation Target Congress/UPA’ or put it in another the RSS/BJP outsourced their work to Team Anna clandestinely, so if it went haywire (which has) the RSS/BJP would go unscathed. The Jan Lokpal Bill was only a weapon.

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    Vinodsharma Reply:

    @Ishwar
    I had stopped responding to queries on this blog because of people like you who resort to insinuations at the drop of the hat. Address the substantive points I have raised regardless of whom they suit. Or else I will not waste time with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I’ll take care, Mr. Sharma.

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  • Anonymous

    Interesting analysis of Rajya Sabha fiasco.

    http://www.governancenow.com/news/regular-story/premchand-s-sense-justice-vs-rajya-sabha-s-low-cunning

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Very well written article. The expression “low cunning” sums up our current state of mind. I think the current down-slide of Team Anna is too for the same reason.

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  • Anonymous

    This is a summary news analysis appeared in New York Times today, 2nd January (by Jim Yardley, Chief correspondent in India) :
    “An ugly political year in India ended last week with an ugly political spectacle. Shouting and bickering like school children, Indian lawmakers provided the nation with a televised reality show of the political class in action………..lawmakers responded late Thursday night to political self interest: they screamed and postured but ultimately did nothing…Doing nothing might be considered the epitaph of India’s political year in 2011 ….an opposition led by Bharatiya Janata Party seemed interested primarily in thwarting the government, and offering little in the way of a constructive alternate agenda……..Political stalemate is not always a terrible thing, but the question is how much longer India can afford its increasingly dysfunctional politics. India’s dynamic economy, buffeted by the broader global slowdown and uncertainty about Europe, is wobbling precariously: the rupee has weakened badly, economic growth is slowing and private investors are spooked by governmental inaction ……………
    ……gloom is the prevailing political mood in New Delhi, less than a year after Indian leaders were projecting a 9 percent growth…India’s economic problems may well be confined to the short term or midterm, assuming an improvement in governance..But if Indian entrepreneurs have managed to maneuver adroitly around the inefficiencies of the Indian state in the past, analysts say, that will not be enough to keep driving the economy forward…..
    Public disgust with the political class helped fuel the rise of Anna Hazare, the anticorruption campaigner ………………………………………………………………..Ordinarily, given the ineffectiveness of the national government, the National congress Party might seem headed for a pasting. but Mr Yadav (Yogendra) said the opposite could be true. In each of the state elections, Mr Yadav said, the National Congress Party could actually improve its standing, given the local dynamics of each race, even though public attitudes toward the government have seemingly soured. It is a reminder that the logic of governance and the logic of elections are not always one and the same.”

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    What is your conclusion, having read the article you mention above??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-
    1)Congress will continue its suicidal union with Mamta Banerji..in spite of her ditching them on three major initiatives… .(not related to the article, but my own conclusion).
    2) I can see Congress doing better in UP, but not enough to dislodge Mayawati.
    3) Indian economic growth will continue to suffer.
    4) BJP has to work on their credibility as a clear alternative to Congress; voters dissatisfied with Congress will not naturally flock to them.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Interesting.

    My view is that the main thrust of the article is that no matter how bad the governance is, it does not necessarily deliver electoral benefit to the opposition.
    That would mean that BJP needs to mature itself into a REAL political party, with a full range of policies (right of centre) so as to offer the electorate a real alternative. This is easy said than done.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    if we take this as a representative sample of American media, it shows clearly that the media like its political class is clearly biased against Hindus and by extension the BJP led opposition, which has come to include another enemy of the US, the Left.

    To take Yogendra Yadav to show that the congres is likely to “bounce back” gives the game away.

    I hope some Indian Americans would tell NewYork Times’ Jim Yardley that he is miles away from reality. India is not sinking like his own country is.

    India’s economy is performing reasonably well, its currency has seen weaknesses in the past too and has bounced back, as are its exports. The US measures its health by counting car sales. In India, you have to wait for at least six months to get your Maruti Swift Diesel.

    It is the height of journalistic ‘innocence’ to blame the BJP for all the ills afflicting the government!

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi

    Give me suitable post by January 15: Yeddyurappa’s ultimatum to BJP

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Give-me-suitable-post-by-January-15-Yeddyurappas-ultimatum-to-BJP/articleshow/11340174.cms

    If you were the BJP chief, what would you do?

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    engrich Reply:

    Birth of Jan Lokpal Team

    Let’s start from the team members of Jan Lokpal Bill. Anna and his people choose five members and all of them were from so called upper castes. Anna and his team couldn’t find a single honest person from Dalit, Buddhist, Muslim, or Christian community. This wasn’t enough; the team Anna choose were those who were at some time indulged in the corruption charges of one or another kind. The leader (Anna) himself at some time was involved in diverting the fund (Rs. 2.2Lakh) of the trust to celebrate his birthday and they gave the justification that it wasn’t a big crime! Who decided that it’s not a big crime? Ask a Dalit person who’s both hands were chopped off for stealing a penny. Or ask a Dalit who has lost both of his eyes for taking a bucket of water from the well without permission. A crime is a crime as said by Mr. Gandhi; it doesn’t matter whether it is small or big. But his chella (Anna) seems to differ at this point. Anna should have asked for the punishment if he would have been so serious about the corruption in recent times.

    I think everyone knows that there are many cases pending in court against the Shanti Bhushan and his son (both are members of Anna’s five member team). There are also allegations against Kiran Bedi i.e. she used her power to get her daughter admitted to Delhi Medical College on the seat which was reserved for Mizoram state.

    I want everyone to see a small documentary on Anna Hazare: The Real Story. Anna is recent times glorified Gujarat CM, Modi, the person who is responsible for killing more than 5000 innocent Muslims and sidelining the Dalit community’s growth in the state Gujarat. How can a true leader and responsible citizen support such crimes?

    Ramdev, who came to support Anna and a king of Rs. 1100 crore empire, he has build that empire by selling (smuggling?) natural resources of India and at his yoga camps you can see many fanatic people and he do havefull support of BJP and other anti-dalit parties.

    Ramdev have previously urged people to boycott foreign companies, he has been calling homosexuality a sickness and such people to be medically treated, he wants to build Ram Mandir, and recently he has said that he will built his own militia army. All these things are against constitution or against democracy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good question, but no good answers!

    I will ask him to wait for a year, build up Sadananda, ensure Karnataka BJP is on a sustainable base. The Lokayukta verdict would have been declared by then, he will be found guilty, and that gives the high command an opportunity to get rid of him.

    No way I will give him any position of power (except building up the party in Nagaland); and in no way I will not give him an opportunity to work against the party in Karnataka.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    Yeddyurappa’s tantra (plural of tantrum) is nothing new in Indian politics.

    This has been practised to perfection in your own state by Karunakaran, in Andhra by Jagan Mohan Reddy, In maharashtra by ANtulay, in J&K by Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, in HP by Khanduri, in Karnataka itself by Nijalingappa etc.

    The congressie troll takes leave of his sense of history when it concerns the BJP. That is all.

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  • Anonymous

    Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh walks into State Bank of India to cash
    a cheque. As he approaches the cashier he says: ‘Good Morning, Ma’am,
    could you please cash this cheque for me?’

    Cashier: ‘It would be my pleasure, Sir. Could you please show me your ID?’

    PM: (utterly shocked) ‘I did not bring my ID with me as I didn’t think
    there was any need. I am Man Mohan Singh, THE Prime Minister of
    India!’

    Cashier: ‘Yes Sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations
    and monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers, etc., I
    must insist on seeing your ID.’

    PM: ‘Just ask anyone here at the Bank who I am and they will tell you.
    Everybody knows who I am!’

    Cashier: ‘I am sorry Mr. Prime Minister, but these are the bank rules
    and I

    must follow them strictly.’

    PM: ‘I am urging you, please, to cash this cheque. Soniaji has gone to
    America and Rahulji has, by mistake, taken the keys of the safe with
    him. I need some extra spending money urgently.’

    Cashier: ‘Look Mr. Prime Minister, this is what we can do. Some months
    back, Baba Ramdev came into the bank without ID. To prove he was
    Ramdev, he pulled his tummy in so much that it went and touched his
    back. With that feat, we knew him to be Baba Ramdev and cashed his
    cheque.
     
    On another occasion, Raju Srivastava  came in without his ID. To prove his identity, he mimicked all the actors so well,we knew it was Raju himself and we cashed his cheque. Similarly, Anna Hazare came without an ID and he immediately threatened to go on Anshan and his ID was confirmed easily.
     
    Now, Mr. Prime Minister, what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you, as the Prime Minister of India?’

    PM stood there thinking, thinking and thinking, and finally said:
    ‘Honestly, my mind is totally blank ~ there is nothing that comes to
    my mind… I can’t think of a single thing!!!’

    Cashier: ‘There you are! That is enough. In what denominations would
    you like the cash, Mr. Prime Minister?

    KEEP SMILING.

    __._,_.___
    .

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    Ravi Reply:

    The Cashier was called B.V. Shenoy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist,
    You are still here scum.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Digvinash would have deputed fake Ravi, the asli jihadi terrorist, to the bank to show his unique identity card- a terrorist-friendly PM!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one.. He should have brought terror sympathiser Diggi with him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He could, if the cashier was still unconvinced, bend backwards beyond the point of breaking, to prove that he indeed is our honourable, spineless Manmohan Singh!

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  • engrich

    vinod jee,this movement is an upper-caste uprising against India’s political democracy. That apart, vesting so much power in the Lokpal, a non-elected person, could lead to a dangerous situation.thank god it failed.”

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  • Anonymous

    @Exbank manager from Konkan who now runs a garment factory
    Your lines
    This anti-corruption bill is only for the government sector, which itself is a huge behemoth. The country can ill-afford to legislate, at this stage, against corruption in the private sector.

    Not surprising you will say that , FOR THE LOKAYUKTA WILL COMING AFTER YOU
    For once lets get this clear THIS IS NOT A PAN INDIAN MOVEMENT , AS MUCH KEJRIWAL &CO WOULD LIKE US TO BELEIVE.
    In WEST BENGAL nobody gives a toss about ANNA, neither in BOMBAY as we saw the FLOP ANASHAN of ANNA.
    one reason may be that EVERY INDIAN HAS TO TAKE RECOURSE TO CORRUPTION TO SURVIVE IN INDIA.Remember BRIBE GIVING IS AS CORRUPT A PRACTICE AS BRIBE TAKING, but then can anybody say with a hand in their heart , THEY HAVE NOT WILFULLY USED BRIBE AS AN INSTRUMENT TO REACH THEIR OBJECTIVE.
    like undervaluing the price of flat to pay less registration fee, TAKING PAYMENT IN BLACK , not in cheque.
    Also what you write about Centre not being able to ram lokayukta down thethroats of states is UTTER BOLLOCKS, WELL THEN WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS LOKPAL MALAKI , only to POLICE THE UNION TERRITORY OF DELHI

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nirad Babu,

    first, get your facts right. I am not from Konkan. I am a Konkani speaking Kannadiga from Mangalore.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Sir,

    you wrote -

    @ Prahlad

    saw the picture. Still I dont get it… Well a satisfed Ratan seems to be introducing a man he deems fit to rule his 80 Billion dollar empire … That was my impression.

    -
    Vijay Sir,

    Please do me another favour. Please search another picture. The picture where Ms Sonia Gandhi is seen to be introducing Mr Man Mohan Singh to the President just before forming UPA Govt.. It’s an old picture, but I am sure you will find it online.

    Then compare both the pictures. And see if you still get the story or not. Trust me, as I promised, you will not be disappointed for your effort.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    for two days, you have been chanting
    ratan, mistry, mistry, ratan,
    Sonia, manmohan, manmohan, sonia

    ghoda, chatura, chatura,ghoda!

    you would do well to be cohesive and intelligible to all, instead of cracking a joke or piece of wisdom, which, we are not sure, even you know much about.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    wow. You are in a completely different mood today.
    Aggressive, cynic and funny. Deadly combination.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Of all people I believe you have got the context of the discussion. Great ! I bow before your intellect.

    Vijay Sir could not get the context. I guess he needs your help.

    Could you please play it out openly for an open house discussion ?

    Attention Vijay Sir !
    Please paste the photograph here for Shenoy Sir to comment and others to see.

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  • engrich

    he is backward not dalit used by brhmns like modi.

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  • Anonymous

    It seems Ms Mehbooba Mufti is in trouble with PDP for praising Modi.

    According to the transcript of the September NIC meeting, she praised Modi who solved the specific business problem (in Ahmedabad) of a Chennai based Muslim business man friend of hers within 10 minutes of meeting/reporting to him.
    (NIC website (of Home Ministry) — page 67 of September NIC meeting transcripts).

    Now PDP feels she is an embarrassment!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The media is harassing Mehbooba for praising Modi, but eulogises Digvinash Singh for calling Osama “Osamaji” and praising LeT for keeping peace in India.

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi if u are deshbhakt,u ask supreme court that wealth hidden in the various should be seized and spent in infrastructure projects of india.this money can also provide free good education to all indians for next 50 yrs.

    hindus are polluting and destroying all our water resources.this should be banned through presedential decree.or anna should do anshan for this.even fish of ganga cannot be eaten.kanpur is full of cancer pantients.WE. are not indians.thought is MERA KYA JATA HAI.
    we have learn how to love and protect india.PANKAJ JEE u also give thought..

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    engrich Reply:

    wealth hidden in the various should

    wealth hidden in various temples should

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What do we do with the taxes we pay if the temple’s money needs to be used for infrastructure projects?

    BTW, Muslims are causing air pollution by their Ajaan calls five times a day. Kanpur is filthy because of the same people.

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    engrich Reply:

    kanpur is filthy of poors but ganga is polluted by u people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ever heard of bio-degradables… most of the items dispersed in the holy river are such and the river can take care of itself. What it can’t handle is the industrial waste – and u don’t seem to have much of a problem with that.

  • Anonymous

    A Wife was Kidnapped… Kidnapper sent her husband a piece of her finger and demanded money…..

    Practical and worldly wise as he was, the husband replied -”Ungli Kiski Bhi Ho Sakti Hai, Mundi Bhejo Mundi”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very good one. Now I have to come up with better than this. Won’t be easy.

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  • Anonymous

    Coming from a lawyer, speaks volume about Prashant Bhushan.

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  • Anonymous

    Bharat,

    you are very right.

    Sonia Gandhi had and still has no opinion about the Lokpal issue. She has been absolutely mum (?) all the time her government was attacked, pilloried, ridiculed and brow-beaten by team Anna, the media, the opposition and the pople of India.

    But, when the Lokasabha couldn’t fulfill her son’s wish of having a constitutional post and the amendment lost. she lost no time in attacking the BJP!

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  • engrich

    gopi if u are deshbhakt,u ask supreme court that wealth hidden in the various temples should be seized and spent in infrastructure projects of india.this money can also provide free good education to all indians for next 50 yrs.

    hindus are polluting and destroying all our water resources.this should be banned through presedential decree.or anna should do anshan for this.even fish of ganga cannot be eaten.kanpur is full of cancer pantients.WE. are not indians.thought is MERA KYA JATA HAI.nobody should be allowed to spoil our rivers and lakes.
    we have learn how to love and protect india.PANKAJ JEE u also give thought..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The wealth is not hidden – it has been preserved. Its not your money and you should not tell others how they should use it.

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    engrich Reply:

    it is worthless piece of paper if it dont come in market.this wealth is earned through making stupid stories and keeping majority of indian illetrate. not hard labor.bhagwan dont want money.he wants his worshippers happy and healthy.goverment should take this money and spent it on infrastructural and educational and health projects.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    u don’t have currency note in the vaults – go check your facts before u vomit.

    engrich Reply:

    it is not vomittng trillions and trillions of dollars are not in circulation because of temples and dargahs.money belongs to country.that is how egyptian civilization fell.religiousplaces should not be used as bank or hiding black money.(like in the case of padmaswami temple).it should be used for worshipping.

    sai baba was king of frauds and left 50000 crores.he was homosexual also killed his 6 bedfellows.why this money should not be used for the benefit of common people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Would u like me to remind u who was allah?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pray to your Allah, you will be cured.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I thought you were above that.

    engrich Reply:

    i pray for presperity of india.also for safety of our water resources,which are declining at very fast rate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Et tu, Mohan?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know he should be ignored,
    as there is no cure for him
    but, as I have said this earlier
    –khujli hai- just cannot stop
    myself from replying him sometimes.
    Will try to ignore him completely from now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, there is no cure because these two jihadis feel secure under Vinod Sharma’s benign, even benevolent overseeing.

    Otherwise, can you imagine someone expelled from the blog for blaspheming hindu gods and Hinduism itself, re-entering and occupying centre stage with wah, wahs from another congressie troll?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Egrich-
    You should refrain from blasphemising revered figures like Sai Baba . It brings reactions, prophets and gods get dirtied, discussions lose robustness…Please do not bring shame to Islam..Looks like Parvez has already left this blog due to you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    this Pakistani engrich **** gets paid weekly in fake currency, so he is drooling over the temple wealth in India!

  • Anonymous

    Shenoy Saab, Vijay, friends

    I am grateful for your New Year Greetings . I wish all of you a very Happy and prosperous 2012. I could not respond earlier due to sad demise of a relative who had been ailing for long.
    Mt Vinod Sahrma has come back with his new post which unsurprisingly , seeks to subtly reinforce the Congress propoganda. More on this later. Best Regards

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen my condolences

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  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    have not been able to locate the pic. But saw another. Are you going to say that it shows SOnia relaxed and comfoirtale that she has given the reins to MMS?

    Well and tryign to draw a parallel…. that the Yuvraj will don that role and hand the reins to Digviansh? Pranabda? Meira? or maybe….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Congress has to be defeated and BJP/other coalitions have to have a 10 year run to see the end of dynasty.
    Congress will partner with the devil to maintain an electoral majority, although they will remain crippled with the likes of Mamta Banerji.
    BJP should learn a thing or two from them.
    Muslim league is an electoral partner (in fact a controlling partner) of Congress in kerala; yet Congress has the audacity to blast BJP is a communal party!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The BJP is messing up things. UP is there for the taking. But it needs a single face as a CM candate at ti does not have one.

    Maybe it needs a huge shakeup. Jaitley and sushma are fine in Parliament. But they need ot be on the roads.

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    engrich Reply:

    bjp,

    thakur bania aur nang

    inse milkar banee jansangh

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you didn’t see any parallel because there is none.

    Sonia Ghandy handed over the reins to MMS out of majboori, because Kalam had told her that if he appoints her, she will face court cases calling into question her Roman origin and the reciprocal law will come into play. Subramanyam Swamy had told Kalam of the same.

    THEREFORE, SHE BEAT A HASTY RETREAT, handing over the reins to MMS.

    Tata has gracefully opted out, handing over the reins to the next most eligibe head.

    Pity Prahlad/Prabhat doesn’t see the darker side of the mataji’s thyag.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Completely false…as the following article explains the issue in depth.

    Sonia Gandhi as Prime Minister: re-examining the issue

    While the `nativity’ as a criterion for eligibility is not a legally sustainable issue, though an emotional one on which the electorate can be swayed, other issues merit re-examination as they appear to be germane to a political and legal debate on the eligibility and suitability of Sonia Gandhi as Prime Minister.

    foreign birth of Sonia Gandhi, a naturalised citizen, was not a legal or the most relevant issue since (a) the Indian Constitution does not bar a naturalised citizen from holding high offices

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/op/2002/09/24/stories/2002092400070200.htm

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It may appear false to you, a fake yourself, but here are some unpoalatable facts, as detailed by Dr.Subramanyam Swamy:

    “In 1992, Sonia had revived her citizenship of Italy under Article 17 of the Italian Citizenship Law [Act 91 of 1992]. Rahul and Priyanka were born Italian citizens because Sonia was Italian when she gave birth to them[Italian law based on jure sanguinis]. (see Annexure-19) Hence, they continue be Italians since they have never renounced their citizenship upon becoming 21 years old. Both, Rahul and Priyanaka have been traveling abroad on Italian passports. They may now acquire
    Venezuela passports too, since Rahul Gandhi’s wife, Veronica, is a Venezuelan. (See annexure- 20) That means one more foreign bahu for us tolerant Indians. The Maino-Gandhis are certainly getting Indian society globalised in their own selfish way.”

    “There was no area that was left out for the rip-off. On November 19, 1974, as fresh entrant to Parliament, I had asked the then Prime Minister Ms. Indira Gandhi on the floor of the House if her daughter-in-law, Sonia Gandhi, was acting as an insurance agent of a public sector insurance company[Oriental Fire&Insurance], giving the Prime Minister’s official residence as her business address, and using undue influence to get insured the officers of the PMO, while remaining as an Italian citizen[thus violating FERA]. There was an uproar in Parliament, but Mrs. Indira Gandhi had no alternative but to cut her losses. She made a rare admission in a written reply a few days later that it indeed was so, and that it was by mistake, but that Sonia had resigned from her insurance agency[after my question]. But Sonia was incorrigible. Her contempt for Indian law continued to manifest.”

    “In January 1980, Indira Gandhi returned as Prime Minister. The first thing Sonia did was to enroll herself as a voter. This was a gross violation of the law, enough to cause cancellation of her visa [since she was admittedly an Italian citizen then]. There was some hullabaloo in the press about it, so the Delhi Chief Electoral Officer got her name deleted in 1982. But in January 1983, she again enrolled herself as a voter even while as a foreigner [she first applied for citizenship in April 1983] (see Annexure-15)”.

    Third, Sonia Gandhi has not studied beyond High School. But she has falsely claimed in her sworn affidavit [see Annexure-6] filed as a contesting candidate before the Rae Bareli Returning Officer in the 2004 Lok Sabha elections, that she qualified and got a diploma in English from the prestigious University of Cambridge, UK.

    Earlier, in 1999 in her biographical data given under her signature to the Lok Sabha Secretariat and which was published in Parliament’s Who’s Who, she had made the same false claim [see Annexure-7].

    But later she wrote to the Lok Sabha Speaker, after I had pointed it out to him in a written complaint of a Breach of Ethics of the Lok Sabha, that it was a “typing mistake”. This qualifies her for inclusion thus in the the Guinness Book of World Records as the longest typing mistake in history.

    “The truth is that Ms. Gandhi has never studied in any college anywhere. She did go to a Catholic nun–run seminary school called Maria Ausiliatrice in Giaveno [15 kms from her adopted home town of Orbassabo]. Poverty those days had forced young Italian girls to go to such missionaries and then in their teens go to UK to get jobs as cleaning maids, waitresses and au pair. The Mainos were poor those days”. Sonia’s father was a mason and mother a share cropper [now the family is worth at least $ 2 billion:

    If you feel these are nor enough, I can give you more.

    Ravi Reply:

    You believe what you want to. Mainly RSS propoganda.

    I believe that you are under RSS brief to neutralise Sonia Gandhi’s self-less act. The nation rewarded her and that sticks in you saffron fundo gullet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You too read Mark Tully.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    http://wearethebest.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/has-twitter-found-mark-tullys-character-assassin/

    Nice Reading.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Unfortunately, Dr Swamy is a very marginalised character in Indian politics. And he is a desperate man. And nobody has time for him. Sad for a learned man like Dr Swamy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is marginalised only to congress cronies.

    As far as corruption is concerned, he is occupying centre stage.

    As for your other views of him, you are entitled to hold them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    It does not take much effort to find some truth. We just need to be well intented.

    ————–
    The Kalam Effect: My Years with the President, written by PM Nair, Kalam’s secretary throughout his term, details several unknown facts from the eventful tenure of the ‘People’s President’.

    Kalam wrote a letter to Sonia on May 17, inviting her to meet him the same day.

    The plan was as follows: Nair would wait with a letter appointing her as prime minister in an ante room near the study in which Kalam and Sonia would meet; Kalam would ring a bell, Nair would walk in, and she would be named PM.

    The letter was prepared. Sonia came, but brought Manmohan Singh along. Nair waited impatiently for the bell to ring. It finally did.

    “I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving. I ran into the study,” Nair writes. Sonia ultimately stepped aside for Singh. The letter was discarded, and a new one was drawn up.
    —————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kalam’s writing the letter to Sonia Ghandy is a matter of record.
    What Nair has not disclosed about Swamy’s letter of the same day informing Kalam of his resolve to challenge his (Kalam’s) decision of swearing in an Italian as India’s PM, too is a matter of record.
    Things changed dramatically within a matter of a few hours, leading to Sonia listening to the voice of her conscience etc., etc., etc………

    But Nair’s story makes for interesting reading even if much of it is fantasy.

    For your kind of innocence there is only one cure: knowledge.

    Meanwhile please also read Mark Tully’s article, particularly the second para:

    “As for Sonia Gandhi, I did not mind her, when she was Rajiv Gandhi’s wife, but after his death, I watched with dismay as she started stamping her authority on the Congress, which made me say in a series of broadcasts on the Nehru Dynasty: “It’s sad that the Indian National Congress should be completely dependent on one family; the total surrender of a national party to one person is deplorable. You have to ask the question: what claims does Sonia Gandhi have to justify her candidature for prime-ministership? Running a country is far more complicated than running a company. Apprenticeship is required in any profession — more so in politics”. I heard that Sonia Gandhi was unhappy about this broadcast.

    Then, after President Abdul l Kalam called her to the Raj Bhavan and told her what some of us already knew, namely that for a long time, she had kept both her Italian and Indian passports, which disqualified her to become the Prime Minister of India, she nevertheless became the Supreme leader of India behind the scenes. It is then that I exclaimed: “the moribund and leaderless Congress party has latched onto Sonia Gandhi, who is Italian by birth and Roman Catholic by baptism”. She never forgave me for that. Yet, today I can say without the shadow of a doubt that when history will be written, the period over which she presided, both over the Congress and India, will be seen as an era of darkness, of immense corruption and of a democracy verging towards autocracy, if not disguised dictatorship, in the hands of a single person, a non Indian and a Christian like me. Truth will also come out about her being the main recipient for kickbacks from Bofors to 2G, which she uses to buy votes, as the Wikileaks have just shown.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Mrs Gandhi Had even nominated Mr Singh’s name in 1999 ( I guess ) when there was an opportunity .

    So it was not new.

    A lot has already been written about this event on this blog itself. I have had chance to go through all that including your point of view.

  • shekhar gandotra

    Engrich you are a fool and an evil man. Why are you trying to insult the feelings of millions of followers of Sai baba. Shenoy Calls you a jehadi ****. I will insist you are a pigs ****.
    In case you have no brains to contribute suitably keep shut, instead of showing of your madrassa trained brainwashed education. Nobody is listing the defects of Islam here. Why are you insisting on trying to pursue a jehadi brainwashed agenda here?

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    Ravi Reply:

    The best introduction to Mr Gandotra, as provided by none other than Mr Gandotra himself.

    Mr Gandotra if you want to become like Engrich, then you are more than half way there.

    Do continue.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Woh karre toh raas leela hai
    hum karee toh character dheela hai

    When he spouts nonsense and shit, you have only support for him. When someone shows that pigs **** a mirror you are rushing to defend the pigs ****. Sorry, your game is too obvious for all.

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    Ravi Reply:

    As you say, from neutral to reverse in two posts.

    Not bad, you would go far.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ SHekhar

    there is no point in trying to communicate to brainwashed robots, who will continue with their anti-liberal and anti India agenda.

    I think you should keep your liberal values intact and just exterminate the fundoos whenever they cross your path. As they say for a dengue mosquito should be swatted… but life should go on.

    By the way, how is the situation in Jammu these days? Good for a Vaishno Devi trip?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar, Vijay Kumar,

    in the last blog, the two jihadi fundoos had an argument and some disagreement. That was the only time the two have voiced different views.

    Now I know why.

    Even the fake currency in which they get paid weekly, got delayed beyond their short tolerance span. That was why.

    Ravi Reply:

    All my energies are reserved to countering Saffron Fascists – like you.

    Yes fascists like you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Knowing the level of your ‘energies’ in plural, you might need the reserves of the other ****.

    Give him a call. Tell him you will share the weekly wages for favours granted.

    Ravi Reply:

    We all know that your primary source of nutrition is dog T U R D S, that is why you like the word so much.

    engrich Reply:

    keep ur a$$shut next time u will have fitting reply.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    u have fake $ in ur A$$ u bloofy ****. What do u say about mohamad and ayesha who was 9 yrs old?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I only like it, but you both are IT.

    Ravi Reply:

    You don’t just like it, you eat it

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    That is right shenoy ji. These guys have a definate agenda to hurt Hindus.

    engrich Reply:

    ravi tell me if i was wrong.sometime truth is sour.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wah, Mootandar ****,

    poocha, toh kis se poocha! jihadi bhai se!!!!

    engrich Reply:

    chola tumhee bata do.in north india spritual people donot touch.guru of ramdev kicked him out when he started selling yoga.

    maya aur dharam kabhi saath nahin rahte hain.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Madrassa students serrve their teachers in different ways. You must have been a good student..

    Vinodsharma Reply:

    To all those obsessed with that filthy word

    Is this the kind of debate mature people should be having on a serious issue. Pl stop this name calling for it helps nobody.

    engrich Reply:

    tell what is wrong shenoy is an idiot.i dont need his certificate.tell me anything i wrote was wrong.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Mr Ravi, did you notice that Engrich made very violent, ill tempered and foul comments against HIndu spiritual leaders. Before that he was doing the same to jews and Christians. At that point you had nothing to say. SInce he seems close to you it seemed an approval. Yet when Mohan retaliated against him, you have chosen to reprimand Mohan.

    Even when others like Rajeev call you a jehadi scum, I was trying to be nuetral. But somehow it seems more and more obvious that you are a Pakistani here, trying to create dissensions and hatred. Please refrain from this and go back to your land and repair the jehadi path of your country,

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Gandotra

    I did not interfere in a conversation that was going on between two very immature people, Engrich and Ishwar.

    Mohan on the other hand is a matured man, quite capable of sane discussions and his pointless intervention dis-appointed me.

    I said so.

    Now what you think of me does not worry me the least.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    You did not reprimand Engrich for his foul comments but attmpted to restrain Mohan.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Restrain, how?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    the jihadi, fake Ravi, is diappointed. yeh kaafi nahin hai kya?

    engrich Reply:

    gandotra jee spiritual people dont touch money.sai baba with the help bhaktwatsalam was running bussines to make maoney.all his life he fooled others.he was claiming to have cure for all diseases,while he had 100s of diseases could not cure one.he was claiming to die in2021 but he died 10 years before.i was against jews and brhmns from begining because these 2 satanic forces are hurting the humanity.i was never against hindus muslims or christians.

    he murdered 6 of his bedfellows during nda period save by atatl bihari bajpai.

    movement to save our water resources should come from majority community,as it is their resposibility.in villages many ponds and lakes have vanished.nowhere in the in the world people are allowed to pollute and spoil their water resources.lakes are the source of water supply to city of geneva and toronto.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy-
    Jim Yardley’s NYT column did not blame the opposition party, BJP, for the non-functioning of the govt. He mentioned BJP’s recalcitrance as an issue, along with the many issues on the governing coalition side.
    Today is their (USA’s) first presidential “caucus” in Iowa. It is interesting and ridiculous. Anyway, back to the country this weekend.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    Did you by any chance wondered if Shenoy had in his mind any of the content of the article before he put together his post.

    Be honest.

    I think his aim was to draw a straight line between the article and the POPE, that he managed with 3.5 degrees of seperation.

    A record no doubt.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shoeb

    Coming back to the discussion on reservations and positive discrimations as pracitsed in the US, I think your ideas were gr8/ Look forward to reading more.

    In my opinion, the 80 crores of Indians added to the after independence could never be classified as haveing suffered a thousand years of discrimantaion. Imagine at 1950, 10 crores were suffering from 1000 years of discrimination and now we insist 80 crores arer suffering from it. Its all a joke!

    The real issue is nuetral, positive education and killing prejudice. Sad that our politicians messed it up badly.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Discrimination in most societies is STRUCTURAL and not bound in narrow time windows as you seem to suggest.

    Hispanic, Black and other minorities in the USA are still very-much disadvantaged. US solution, to their unique problems, is their choice. We can learn from those, but we can not whole-sale implement them in Indian scenario.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The solution lies in haveing thousands of schools which teach equality right from the time of birth ande making sure that all kids get educated there. Even five years of education will eradicate regional, castewise and relgious discriminations.

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    Ravi Reply:

    At naive idealism level that works.

    In reality it takes generations to take some one who has had no education in the family for 1000s of years to then all of a sudden become a highly educated person.

    Yes there are exceptions, but they are just that – exceptions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont think so. Let us accept it. Till the late ninties Indias were kicked around the world. I remember having to ask goras for directions in Paris and see them grimace and go away without answering.

    In HongKong th Chinese would just growl at you, as if you were ….

    but the IT guys changed it all. A bit fo swabhiman and education. And of course our economic revolution.

    A friend married to a german girl wa at my place for dinner some days back. His wife insisted that in 1995 when they married all her friends were bewlidered that she was marrying an Indian as Indian men were considered boring and yuck (sic). Now her family members believe that Indian men are…. most loyal.! And brainy ( now not true… why not pretend that is so… )

    Ravi Reply:

    That is the issue.

    You think a few foriegn traveled Indian IT guys are INDIA.

    I have a very different India in my mind than you do.

    BTW Parisians do not give directions to other Gora’s either. So don’t take it personally.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In your India, there are 5000 rapes of dalit women by caste Hindus everyday.

    Islamic fundoo, pretending to be a sometimes Hindu, sometimes Sikh!

    Ravi Reply:

    I thought after some considerations, the number had been reduced to 4999.

    I am and remain a Mona Sikh.

    You believe what you want to…Saffron Terrorist

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    As Ravi Sir said it’s an exception. With guys speaking in english and managing call centers might give somebody a feeling that India is an english speaking country. But then that’s barely 1-2% ! The english speaking populace does not represent India when you talk of mitigating social issues.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “In my opinion, the 80 crores of Indians added to the after independence could never be classified as haveing suffered a thousand years of discrimantaion. Imagine at 1950, 10 crores were suffering from 1000 years of discrimination and now we insist 80 crores arer suffering from it. Its all a joke!”
    Spot on. And the Casteism
    (with all its Socio-Economic structural ramifications) vanished too – all of a sudden the moment we won independance.
    I wish we all could sing
    Hocus Pocus Take My Magic Potion
    Hocus Pocus Wishes become True.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    hope u recoverd fromt he new year Daru bash :)

    Look … and let me not shout this out to loud… work place intermingling and school intermingling is the way to go. I run a small company. I used to notice that even among the so called lower castes they used to be snobbery. The carpenters would not share food with the Adivasis ec. But now I insist that every few days we have a communal dinner at site at every one eats from the same big pot.

    Even all the engineers. A small step has shaken up the life of fifty people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ mahesh

    A lot of these social justice theories that all this cannot go are just bull. it is a mindset thing. A gopvernment which insists that any temple built on government land will have priests from all segments could wwell have knocked off more prejudice than theories of getting them to vote on caste line.

    Hocus pocus… fill me a drink
    Maybe you wont understand this thing…

    This is what real education all about
    Want a solution, give Vijay a shout ! :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the bash greetings. :-)
    Hope yours was fine too – with Delhi hitting a sixing years record low, it must’ve been real fun. Thodi Thand Mumbai ki taraf bhi aane do. :-)
    Back to the topic…
    We are talking of two things here.
    One is the Caste question in terms of Socio Economic structure.
    The Second aspect – non mingling among different castes – which happens to be a outward and mostly symptomatic manifestation.
    Try looking beyond what is symtomatic.

    Ravi Reply:

    You are asking chief reactionary to look beyond the obvious.

    I admire your optimism

  • Anonymous

    Viju
    They should put all their strong players – Jaitley, Sushama (she may be a bit tainted through the Reddy relation), Modi – on the road.
    Sonia Gandhi is no Mahathma Gandhi; nothing unusual in her wanting her son as yuvraj. In that hse is following many Indian mothers of the past – Kaikeyi, to some extent even Gandhari..

    Come to think of it, there is a Kaikeyi-Bharatha complex at play here. Rahul’s reluctance has a parallel with Bharatha – But Bharatha had an admirable, well-deserving, ideal for leadership brother for whom he could wait; we do not have a Rama, either in UPA or in NDA. A crisis will create a Rama; but why should it be like that always? I look forward to young smart ones like you, Iswar, Parvez etc to be the Ramas of our country before Digryodhan and company destroy this land,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    What a comparison. Kaikeyi and Gandhari with Mrs. Gandhi. Perfect.
    Where children are concerned all mothers are same.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This Gandhari can’t speak too.

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh–

    The recent history of India, except the last sixty years, has been British (200 years) and various Islamic rulers (for 800 years). There are no references to ChandraGupta Maurya, Harsha Vardhan, Ashoka etc suppressing one group or other.

    As I mentioned elsewhere (I believe in the last blog), many problems, such as caste suppression, Muslim backwardness etc is a regional/state problem; it should be solved as such and not as an all India problem. I speak from a local kerala perspective, where Muslims and certain backward groups are significantly better – economically, educationally- than the forward castes.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Your Keralite perspective, welcome as it is, does not typify India.

    I would go further and say the Kerala does not even represent typical Hinduism, or at least not the kind North Indians would recognise as such.

    Perhaps, going forward north India should follow the Keralite model, as forged by decades of rationalist leftist governments.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    The rest of us too understand English, at least enough to say that you are wrong.

    Gopi said, “many problems, such as caste suppression, Muslim backwardness etc is a regional/state problem”. How then can you say that Kerala doesn’t typify India?

    Kerala has no such history of rationalist movements. You are mixing TN with Kerala.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Simply because Kerala is significantly different form the Base-Case, which is UP/Maharashtra centeric view.

    I am not mixing anything with anything. You may well be.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-
    That is right. Each region, for historical and adaptive reasons, is different; hence a solution with a broad-brush approach make the problem worse.
    (fyi, Kerala’s Hinduism is the oldest; with certain Brahminical “oral” traditions preserved by a “minority” (hahaha) of Namboodiri Brahmins.
    “Atiratram”, one of the oldest fire worship in the world, is performed by these guys (you can google Atiratram)
    National geographic/PBS has a nine hour video on Indian Civilization of the last 10,000 years, where settlements happened, how settlements moved etc. Mind boggling)

    If we really want to solve the Muslim backward problem, the real focus should be on Muslims in UP/Bihar/West Bengal – 60% of Indian Muslims live in those states. If we dive further deep, more than 50% of that is in Bihar-West Bengal, spread on both sides of the state border, districts like Kishanganj, Puria, Aria, Hara, Brihbaum Karthar etc.

    A focused program then will uplift a large percentage, rather than monkeying with an all-India solution, where Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka etc Muslims may not require a focused approach; they have moved on either on their own effort or due to the efforts put by the state govts.

    But once one starts focusing on those three states, plus the outlier state of MP, one will find it is not a Muslim issue or a backward caste issue; it is a statewide issue – meaning all are poor, so Muslims and backwards also naturally are poor..all lack healthcare, so also Muslims and backward. All lack education, so also Muslims and backwards. So, it boils down to statewide upliftment.

    As I have advocated many a time in Zia’s blog, if an economist/sociologist/political party can package Kerala’s social metrics/advancement with Gujrat’s economic/industrial advancement, put in a bottle, and spread it in the UP/WB/Bihar (and the larger BIMARU belt), we all will be in heaven.

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    engrich Reply:

    If we really want to solve the Muslim backward problem, the real focus should be on Muslims in UP/Bihar/West Bengal – 60% of Indian Muslims live in those states. If we dive further deep, more than 50% of that is in Bihar-West Bengal, spread on both sides of the state border, districts like Kishanganj, Puria, Aria, Hara, Brihbaum Karthar etc

    congress is responsible for their bad conditions.every city o fthese states is known for their handicraft.in 1947 thier condition was far better then people of kerala.continous communal riots suppresion of work force & influence of dallals on goverment pushed muslim community in poverty.mulayam maya nitish and laloo did lot for upliftmentof muslims.soon thing will improve.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Your idea of mixing Kerala’s social advancement with Gujarat’s economic is very good. However, in this era of coalition it will be almost impossible to implement such idea. We saw that when our helpless PM blamed some of the problems
    on compulsions of coalition. He was not very far from the truth
    when he said that. Though ideally it is not correct, but can we
    expect our politicians to go against their coalition partners
    and in the process lose the power ? Mrs. Renuka Choudhary
    in a NDTV program -We that people- clearly said that we
    are not running a dharmshala.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    No, I am not articulating this as a “coalition”.
    Gujtart has demonstrated that a high growth economy could be launched/implemented. kerala has demonstrated that inclusive social, medical, women etc progress could be made even in a “poor” economy. What I was trying to articulate was that social scientists/economists/leaders should understand both in detail, why it worked, how it can work in other regions etc..The country will be better off If the Kerala social progress coupled with gujrat economic progress could be replicated in other states

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I hope your wish comes true.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you have mentioned Kerala and Gujarat in the same breath!

    SHANTHAM, PAAPAM, SHANTHAM, PAAPAM!!!

    engrich Reply:

    poorest of poor coverted to islam.muslims of kerala are better because vast number of got employment in gulf countries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They converted to Islam / Christianity importing the Casteism to these Religions.

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    engrich Reply:

    in these religions casteism is sin while in hinduism it is divine.as caste were made lord krishna.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sin or no sin. Casteism still exists in the Indian flavour of these religions.

    engrich Reply:

    right

    Anonymous Reply:

    Many of the people who chose to convert to Islam and Christianity have not forgotten their history – the caste slots and the works. I have first hand knowledge on this.

    engrich Reply:

    u are right.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Chima, Bajwa, Randhawa, etc are sir names of Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs alike.

    Najam Sethi – the Editor of Friday Times is an example of a Khatri Muslim Man.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is no issue about families/tribes keeping their surnames/tribal identities, while deciding to change their way of praying to God.

    However, some of them do make a ’song-and-dance’ about it. Never mind though, after all these are their surnames/tribal names.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Anybody has any first hand experience about conversion ? I mean anybody who could share honest experience with us about why did he convert and how was the life after conversion to a different religion?

    Please do not respond if it’s too personal and if there are chances of raising controversies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My first hand knowledge is talking to people, whose ancestors converted long ago. Many of them made it a point to tell me to which caste their ancestors belonged to. It is almost exclusively prevalent among those who were members of the upper castes.

    In arranged marriages in Goa, for example, the matches are generally between the same erstwhile castes (again more prevalent among once-upon-a-time upper castes).

    Re: Why did anyone or whole societies or tribes convert? Many reasons and special circumstances specific to the places.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    If they really stick to caste while choosing the alliances, does it mean people really value caste much above their religion ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    Extending a bit on what Ravi says below.
    While I somewhat agree on regional legacy playing out and yielding differently on Social imbalances – there are other aspects as well. Important one being that of land reforms. On rural side it is the skewed land holding pattern that has mostly structurally sustained the social imbalances. Second aspect is the access to market . Market forces played out well in correcting social imbalances only in those regions where the socially and economically backward gained access to markets . Third aspect is that of state intervention .
    That said – a short comment on your idea of correcting the imbalances at regional level…. what if the state and center run foul of each other in implementation/non-implementation of the social obligations ?

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi, Shenoy, Mahesh

    Off to tennis guys ! My first game this year….

    C U late. I’ll post replies to all !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Idon’t want to discourage you, but don’t you think it is a bit late in the day (figuratively) to play tennis?

    Take to golf, you may even play well.

    And when you come back, make the replies crisp, couched in more than one meaning and also entertaining.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Vijay,

    Golf is copied from an Indian game gilli-danda, only they have
    changed it a bit. In gilli-danda we remove the gilli from a hole
    and try to hit as far as possible. Where as in golf, the game starts far away from the hole and the idea is to hit the ball with danda which
    should ultimately reach the hole.
    This is 100% true and to prove this I swear upon my neighbours Alsatian who almost bit me last evening.

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    Ravi Reply:

    My sympathies are with the Alsatian. ;)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    When do you get your best ones ? After 9 pm ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Before I take my first peg. By the way it is 8 PM here and I am still at my office.

    Aur ab ye sir, sir band karo yaar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    i appreciate your gesture. But allow me to be me.

  • Anonymous

    This is a Blog. However, what have we been witnessing it here?

    Some of the bloggers keep indulging in the ‘ fabrication’ of labels and then ‘plaster’ them on their hate objects and those who do not agree with them. Then there are others as ‘clapper boys’ in support. The roles are swapped between the two often. Probably this activity makes their days and must be giving them ‘bellyful’ of satisfaction in labeling/plastering/spewing venom.

    Speaks volumes of the level of intelligence (rather lack of it) about the fabricators and the rooters – it is CTs all the way and not blogging to say the least.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure this ilk is boasting its “ShauryaGaatha” to audience outside this blog begging for “wah wah”s in return.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I believe that this ilk uses their name calling/labelling behaviour as a form a laxative.

    It regulates more than meets the eye.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi and others

    BJP takes Mayawati’s ‘tainted discards’ into its fold

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/BJP-takes-Mayawatis-tainted-discards-into-its-fold/articleshow/11351960.cms

    What gives? Sign of utter desperation!

    —————

    Mamata Banerjee accuses Congress of colluding with CPI-M; ally denies charge

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Mamata-Banerjee-accuses-Congress-of-colluding-with-CPI-M-ally-denies-charge/articleshow/11353077.cms

    Are we going to have General Elections this year?

    ————–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    What could have happened between 31st December and today ?

    (On 31st December, the BJP had demanded a central probe in the role of Mayawati’s former aide who was forced to resign in April after two successive murders of Chief Medical Officer (CMO) and deputy CMO in Lucknow. BJP secretary and chairperson of the graft expose commitee Kirit Somayya had claimed to have substantive proof that funds amounting to at least 1000 crore from NRHM parked in 25 companies, were directly traceable to Kushwaha. )

    On 31st December , they demand probe and by 3rd of Jauary BJP brings Mr Kushwaha home !!! Very difficult to explain.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad

    “What could have happened?”

    Here is a cynical suggestion.

    A hand-shake with Mohan Bhagwat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi Sir,

    Though I am against BJP and I know RSS loathes Congress, I genuinely do not believe that RSS would really approve BJP’s this kind of desperate approach.

    I am also aware that RSS does not have much faith in BJP’s ( present leadership) ability to deliver a solid electoral result. I can see why they mobilised Anna’s movement. But I do not think RSS really appreciates this kind of flip-flops from BJP. So it has to be BJP’s own political calculation just before the election.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad Ji

    I do not dis-agree with your analysis.

    However, I very firmly believe that RSS exercises an unhealthy control over the activities of BJP. This became abundantly evident when the last leader of the BJP was elected.

    I have said here, more than once, that I would welcome an independent BJP, which goes on to develop a full range of policies for modern India, rather than allow itself to be bogged down with the RSS social engineering agenda for Bharat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahalad Ji ;) looks very RSS type..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Brilliant!!

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi is turning into a Drapadi..pandavs are Enrich, Prabhat, Manohar, PrahaladK, waiting for 5th one..may be Vinod Sharma.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi Sir,

    That’s difficult. I do not think BJP can really delink itself from BJP. Honestly speaking one should not even expect that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    You are entitiled to your views, but I think you are paranoid.
    You are giving too much of credit to RSS. They are not as strong as you believe.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Guilty as accused.

    I am of the opinion that it is wiser to overestimate one’s enemy than it is to under-estimate it.
    Yes I do consider the RSS not only my enemy, but also the enemy of India, that I love.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is double standards and doublespeak = the ‘registered’ trademark of the RSS/BJP and their supporters too.

    Demand utmost probity in public life from others, never mind the trash they have in their own backyard and now on a collection drive for more.

    As Ravi said – the BJP never fails to slosh its ‘angelic credentials’. That is doublespeak and double standards in practice.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. Offer 4.5% reservation for Muslims just before elections and call yourself secular. doublespeak and double standards

    2. MLAs vote for Rajya Sabha members. It is OK to take the support of BSP members in Rajya Sabha. When the same member is thrown out of the party only days before elections, he becomes corrupt and shouldn’t be touched with a barge pole. doublespeak and double standards

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP takes Mayawati’s ‘tainted discards’ into its fold

    I see no problems with that… we are living in a democracy… those tainted MLAs won’t elect themselves… they would contest in the polls and we have a choice not to vote for them.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    But it does indicate that these people have no values or beliefs to which they are loyal.

    All they want is an opportunity to get elected and for that they are willing to change their core beliefs and ideologies.

    If that is not Vote Bank politics then I do not know what is.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In politics, it is the numbers which matter the most. I have been made to understand this many a times by Manohar who never forgets to keep reminding that BJP has been voted out by the country.

    Congressis also know the value of numbers (at least in Rajya Sabha).

    Ravi Reply:

    Yes Ishwar, numbers matter….so no matter how corrupt or tainted these people are, they bring along with them some real numbers.

    However, that puts BJP – who beats the drum of being purer than pure, into just another corrupt political party and communal with it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shathe shathyam samachret…

    There are times when you need all kind of support to fight the evil – no matther where they come from. Now, you don’t beleive that BJP only stands for these two “tainted” people from BSP.

    And yes, BJP is still far better than others.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is little more than an opinion of a fan.

    You are entitled to it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So you think Congress is better because it supports Islamic terror.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Ravi,
    Ishwar is only taunting.

    Since many times answers are given in legal terms, so Ishwar is also stating a legality. Mr Kushwaha can only be elected by people and can only be put behind bars if proven guility. Before that nothing makes any difference. I think Ishwars’s grouse is, whenever discussion on Dynasty or some other misdeeds of congress takes place , he gets answers similar to above.

    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Fair enough, he can have a laugh on my account.

    Anonymous Reply:

    … , he gets answers similar to above.

    However, he does not accept them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When Congress can take RSS Vaghela and Shiv Sena’s Nirupam, why can’t BJP take BSP men?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You see no problem with that! Strange. I find it totally wrong- be it the BJP or the Congress. So these parties with corrupt MLAs will make merry and we here will be discussing ways to reduce corruption – some will advocate a sequel – Team Anna II and a more monstrous Lokpal.

    It will be interesting to see the reactions of Anna Hazare, Kejriwal, Bedi and the rest of the gang. Probably they will choose to remain silent or dismiss it as an internal matter of the party!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You don’t want to implement what Team Anna suggests to curb the corruption, but need their opinion on every issue!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not mix the two.

    What Team Anna has suggested is unworkable.

    Their opinion was awaited (which has come in today) to see whether they too practice double standards and doublespeak.

  • Anonymous

    Congress too has accepted many SP goondas in their party. We did not hear Congressis discuss that issue.

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  • Anonymous

    It is very simple. BJP saw this as an opportunity and they grabbed it. Whether it
    will benefit them will become clear only after the results of the elections.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    this is not something new happening. Earlier too, they accepted Sukhram.

    Similarly, all the maha secular leaders like Mamta, Karunanidhi, Naidu, Ram Vilas, Naveen Patnaik, Farrukh Abdullah, Mayawati and even the great secular VPSingh, have all shared BJP’s bed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Hamam mien sab nange hain.

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  • Anonymous

    A goal was set ten years ago to have electric power for all by 2012.
    As the target date of March nears, with the current five year plan ending in March, India has met 64% of its target so far!
    So, if a government cannot provide/meet easier stuff like electricity, (which is a question of money and execution), how can it solve the so-called ageless deep rooted social behaviours/patterns?

    300 million people do not have electricity! Just yesterday CSF fired and killed two people in Kashmir, not because they were fighting a “separatist” campaign; but protesting against the 16 hour shut down of electricity in this cold weather!

    Govt should focus on economic growth, providing incentives to all entrepreneurs, a lot of our caste/religion etc will go away when the tide lifts. Money is the equalizer than any other thing; preservation of that will force people to pursue education, community development etc

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    Ravi Reply:

    Hear hear

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    “” Money is the equalizer than any other thing; preservation of that will force people to pursue education, community development etc “”

    !00% agree with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi Sir,

    The local politics have hampered the progress in energy generation. from Maharahtra to Tamil Nadu, we have seen interuptions everywhere. Moreover, last 18 months have really been wasted in terms of implementing various policies. The Govt. will take atleast 6 more months to pick up the progress, but then it’s time for general election. Things will be on back burner till the next election is over.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gujarat has 100% coverage with 24 x 7 supply! Blame it on Modi!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very Commendable.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad Sir,

    pardon me for saying this. There is a spelling mistake in your comment.You have used ‘d’ in the place of ‘t’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Well read.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    As usual very good one.

    engrich Reply:

    general kashmiri is with india.they hate pakistan.we have to be careful in handling them.

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  • Anonymous

    Wishing the bloggers a very happy new year.

    Few random thoughts over happenings of last year, loosely (and unfortunately) interconnected.

    1> I dreamed a dream :
    Months back, I started to day dream; Anti-corruption movement will bring in a revolution. (I really hoped that major parties like Cong and BJP would face a split and young people from both will come out like Young Turks in 70s. No such wonder happened). Money proved, it is bigger than values. After all we all sat on our comfy chairs, hoped someone else will take all the pain and do wonders for us. Forgot the people who are fighting are also human beings with their own vulnerabilities. Now sense of disappointment and being clueless.

    What do “we” the people really want? “We” select the most corrupt people (like mining people from Bellary, polling results in Maharashtra), being fully aware of their background. Anna fights for the right to call back. Why were the candidates got elected at first place?

    2>What is the difference between caste and religion?
    I am repeating this question for the second time. People speak of Muslim vote banks. Why is Yeddy, Mayavati, Mulayam, Lalu, Choutala are in commanding position in today’s politics? How does the Mining guy Sriramulu get elected despite everyone knowing his background? Is the caste bank less vicious?
    For Muslims, it is Wakf board which eats money, other castes have Mutts which are equally good (I should say, they do better) in commercialising religion or education. Why a cultural thing which should have been kept at home becomes a deciding factor and in everything? Social hierarchy or education or electoral power, caste/religion overrides merit of an individual.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Welcome back. Happy New Year to you too

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Ravi. I remember, some issues have not been sorted out between us. Like Devdasi system or why Jainism became a minority. But promise, will settle the score some day :-)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    I remember those discussions too.

    Very happy to resume where we left off.

    Just one condition – I am confident that you will not but others here have – that you do not ascribe to me jihadi fervour and an alien religion, just because of my views.

    That aside, I look forward to reading your considered and well thought out posts, even those that are against my personal beliefs. Happy to grow with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay Sir,

    I was getting used to certain types on this blog. Suddenly I feel out of place !

    Very refreshing.

    Happy New year to you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad (Ji)

    The blog is what we make of it.

    The more sane voices here, better the discussion will be.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As I said – there are constant attempts to turn this into a ‘label making factory’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    What will be fun if everyone says and believe in same way.
    Enjoy the different views. You don’t have to agree with anyone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Come to think of it I believe in that. It’s just that if people could change ‘ how-they-say-it’ a little, then it would be such a pleasure to listen to what they say !

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘if people could change ‘ how-they-say-it’ a little’

    Depends, who these people are? Do not put your money on some of them.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Come on sir.

    Very happy to have differing opinions. They are not what degenrates this blog into an unpleasant place.

    You very-well know what does.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I am what I am. I love and respect reading everybody’s view and that
    Includes some of the people you do not get along very well.
    Well, almost everyone.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Prahlad

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay Kumar,

    Welcome back. If people have jobs, food, proper dwelling than this
    caste/religion will be easily overridden.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Mohan. Hope, you are not getting confused with Vijay Kumar. I am an infrequent blogger, earlier used to write with Vinay as my id. But disqus didn’t let me use that name, so another version.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    No, I did not confuse you with Vijay Kumar. It was my mistake by addressing you
    As Vinay Kumar instead of only Vinay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay

    Welcome back! Happy 2012!
    I am optimistic; a youth movement will happen.
    Meek shall not inherit the earth as Jesu says. Power speaks. Democracy gives ample opportunities for various power groupings. But agaih, as Bihar elections showed, Lalus cannot keep the “power grid” for ever; dfferent permutations emerge.

    New forms of govt will emerge. We are seeing the beginning of it in the nascent Europeabn and US movemets such as “occupation”.. A goood numberr of peopple all over are upset about their institutions, govt ..a sense that everything is rigged by the politicalo class (be in US, europe, india, Chima) is becomig a uiversal feeling.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, you are an eternal optimist!!

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  • Anonymous

    My answers to few of the Manohar’s earlier questions

    1> What should BJP do with Yeddy’s threat:
    This question transponds to “What should be Karzai’s decision regarding tenure of US forces in Afghanistan ?” I think the choice lies with US, not with Karzai. BJP could have easily sorted out Yeddy’s problem if the party in Karnataka was larger than the person. To understand this, one needs to understand the caste politics of Karnataka. This state is mainly ruled by two dominating castes; Gowdas and Lingayats (Out of 19 CMs Karnataka had so far, 14 have come from these two. 7 each.)
    Gowdas are with JDS (ie Devegowda’s Party) and Lingayats have shown loyalty to Yeddy by Lingayat Swamis openly parading their support to Yeddy. (Congress lost this Lingayat support long ago, when Rajiv Gandhi removed its leader from CM post). For BJP, loosing Yeddy means, loosing this caste base. Money power has gone with Reddys. What else will remain with them?
    Today, BJP and Cong in Karnataka are like Kareena and Katrinas without Khans. They can’t pull the voters by mere party name.

    2> BJP takes Mayawati’s ‘tainted discards’ into its fold.
    BJP has realised it can’t win an election without caste banks. (It has tried in Karnataka, knowing Yeddy very well). A Brahmin Jati Party has travelled a long way, compromised on lot of things before reaching this place. But if compromising on its earlier morals was the way it is going to reach all classes, then I would prefer a earlier version of BJP. If this statement sounds casteist and politically incorrect, so be it.

    3>What exactly is the agenda of right wing? (Was it Manohar or Ravi)
    Agree, it is too broad and diffused. (Too many organisations under same umbrella). There could be a confusion in the right wing as what exactly we are, but commonality was we supported BJP for decades and hoped it will bring a difference.
    Dev Saab’s line from Guide; Kya se kya ho gaya…chaha kya, kya mila .. .Chalo suhana bhram to toota.

    Lastly, my question: What is the difference between “communal” and “secular” in todays politics? We have witnessed lot of “secular” parties getting teamed up with BJP and whenever they leave, they always have said, BJP’s “communal” behavior made them suffocated and leave. Kumaraswamy or Mayawati, both have broken up with the party once, when they needed to transfer the power to BJP. Both sung the same tune. Every person who leaves BJP automatically get purified and becomes “secular”.
    Recently I was hearing, Modi is discontent with BJP, may float a party on his own. Much to my amusement, I found in one of the Engrich’s post (I have no problem in what you call yourself as; but it would be helpful for infrequent bloggers if you are consistent with your name. Every time I visit the blog, I see a different “Avatar” of you !), Modi was “used” by upper caste to defame him (!). Very much in line with the earlier tunes. If that move happens (Modi floats a party), will that leave Modi “secular” with bechara BJP being “eternal communal” ??

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    A refreshingly original post.

    However, let’s not forget that before Modi became a BJP man, he was in the RSS and still is. So a new Political Party can hardly be much different than a mixture of the two. I not expecting it to have a radically different ideological basis.

    Whatever his administrative and entrepreneurial skills may or may not be, his social ethos is based around the RSS social engineering project. This is to convert Hinduism from being a peaceful and pluralistic religion into an aggressive monotheistic one.

    Fat chance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Look who is talking… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your imagination always runs wild..fearing about the unknowns, what ifs, …
    Modi will be the greatest human being on earth (on persuasive and leadership skills) if he could “convert” 1.1 billion , or a majority of that, into whatever philosophy he believes in or aspires to.

    Hinduism and its ancestral lineage is eternal. No single man created it, no single philosophy drives it, and no single man can transform it. In one way it enshrines the American concept of “individual freedom”, exploration, search. And in that sense, it will be there, along with Budhism and Jainism and Sikhism, after all the other religious movements have disappeared — because of the very fact that these were not religious movements .

    Why are you constantly fighting RSS as if they rule the country? What policy decisions have RSS imposed on the country? All the decisions that ail the country, all the decisions that crippled the country, blocking the aspirational and real growth of the country were taken by the party that ruled India for 50 years. No need to blame RSS.

    We will not be talking about caste and religion and inequities If only congress had adapted to Chakravarti Raja Gopalachari’s “swatantra” principles, accepted the brains of Minoo Masani and Piloo Mody. Nehruvians shoulder the blame for that.

    At least Nehru’s broad vision did not have the caste/religion calculus, albeit a socialist belief. His daughter, Srimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi excelled in sewer politics; not only caste/religious base, but also party alliances, controlling the bureaucracy etc etc. She was the one who forced Nehru to dismiss the first ministry in Kerala after the state formation in 1956 – the first communist ministry elected anywhere in the world through democratic process. Nehru could not believe there will be an opposition to Congress; Shrimathi Gandhi wanted to crush that opposition. What she did in 1959 in kerala culminated in her suspension of civil liberties on a national scale in mid 1970s.

    So, speak of the devil you know and have experienced.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Out of the two of us, you are more imaginative than I am.

    My views on RSS is based upon The Clash Within by Martha Nussbaum (feel free to denigrate her)

    Lost Years of the RSS – By a lifelong member Sanjeev Kelkar and a supporter of Deoras and an opponent of Golimarkar

    Personal experience from my teens. I was once a member of the Ajmal Khan Park Shakha.

    What are your views based upon??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    “Hinduism and its ancestral lineage is eternal. No single man created it, no single philosophy drives it, and no single man can transform it. In one way it enshrines the American concept of “individual freedom”, exploration, search. And in that sense, it will be there, along with Budhism and Jainism and Sikhism, after all the other religious movements have disappeared — because of the very fact that these were not religious movements”.

    The above is the good side. Now the ugly side.

    The RSS wants to change all that to make Hinduism into a one huge monolithic religion with it calling the shots and worse mixing it with nationalism and patriotism – Hindu Rashtra. It also wants all Indian origin religions – Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism to accept the suzerainty of the Vedas. As for Muslims and Christians, they want them to be subservient to the Hindutvawadis and be content to live as second class citizens.

    Whether they will succeed or not in the long run, one never knows, however going by the past record, it is not going to happen, we Indians are not fools to let go the good and embrace the ugly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    You need to understand the worries of fundoo christian Manohar who wants west to be ruled by judeo-christian ideology but has problem with Hindu India..I am pretty sure evenif India becomes a hindu country (which it never will thanks to hindus like me), minorities will never be discriminated against.

    Less said the better about Terrorist ravi..we all know he wants Sharia to rule this country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    honestly, a great post. Every word worth its weight in gold.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    BJP is doomed if Modi leaves the party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is one point of view.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay

    Thanks for your background notes and analysis on various issues.

    1) I personally do not have a problem with the BJP becoming ‘amoral’ and playing vote-bank politics to gain and remain in power. Every other party does the same. It is that ‘high moral ground’ it attempts to sit on and then ……..

    2) “then I would prefer a earlier version of BJP”

    Which vintage are you referring to and how much back in time?

    3) Smaller/regional “secular’ parties associating and disassociating with the BJP and then being termed ’secular’ after they leave is to be analyzed with each specific party. Some examples

    a) Mayawati twice earlier joined hands with the BJP in UP and dumped it when it was the turn of the latter to have its own person as the CM – the reason – ‘empresses’ do not play second fiddle and the BJP should have known that. In future, the have to be careful with the other ‘empress’ – Jayalalitha.

    b) The reason for other parties leaving the NDA is not far to seek. It was Gujarat 2002 and it is despicable the timing of their departures. If they had any qualms, they should have all left in 2002 itself in one go. The nation and the parties having almost forgiven the BJP for the riots shadowing the infamous ‘rath yatra’ and culminating in demolition of the Babri Masjid.

    c) The trigger for Biju Janta Dal to say goodbye was the Kandhamal rioting by the RSS/VHP/BD.

    d) JD(U) is still in the NDA fold – strictly on its terms – no Modi.

    Poor fellow, Modi. He has been solely held responsible for 2002, when the act was planned and orchestrated by others too from the parivar.

    If there was no 2002, there is a very good chance that the NDA would have been power even today.

    4) About BJP occupying Right-of-Centre space, I will elaborate later.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Your Comment – Poor fellow, Modi. He has been solely held responsible for 2002, when the act was planned and orchestrated by others too from the parivar.

    -

    I believe Mr Modi was cornered / forced by RSS/VHP men to say “yes” for a revenge. Very few could have really resisted such pressure. Finally Mr Modi allowed that 3 day window.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I agree with you.

    But Modi is just the face of some very ugly aspects of the Hindu Right in India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi Sir,

    Sometimes a man has to live condemned all his life for a momentary lapse. I have a feeling Mr Modi is such a case.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad Ji

    momentary lapse, I assume that you have chosen these words carefully.

    For a long-time I was in two minds about Modi, until I realised that – despite persistent efforts of many lobby groups – the USA refused to issue Modi a Visa, not just once but twice.

    Now this fact on its own is no proof of his culpability (as opposed to momentary lapse), but it is some kind of judgement made by a non-interested 3rd party. The fact that US bans people but is open to revising such decisions can be gleaned from John Lennon’s case. He was first banned and then after a few years allowed back in the US. I believe that the US knows something that is not in the public domain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your observation.

    I believe Mr Modi was cornered / forced by RSS/VHP men to say “yes” for a revenge.

    Not necessarily.

  • engrich

    Final Curtain: Obama Signs Indefinite Detention of Citizens Into Law As Final Act of 2011

    January 2, 2012

    President Barack Obama rang in the New Year by signing the NDAA law with its provision allowing him to indefinitely detain citizens. It was a symbolic moment to say the least. With Americans distracted with drinking and celebrating, Obama signed one of the greatest rollbacks of civil liberties in the history of our country . . . and citizens partied only blissfully into the New Year.

    Ironically, in addition to breaking his promise not to sign the law, Obama broke his promise on signing statements and attached a statement that he really does not want to detain citizens indefinitely

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Obama also signed a law denying money of 1.6billion dollars to your country!

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    this may be ur country not mine.u people have nothing to say.so label others.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Shenoy is right. You are a callboy of Pakistan. Your jehadi malfunctioned brain needs a hammer on the head so that it stops spewing jehad, violence, verbal turds, from both ends.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,
    There are lot of good pakistanis and Indian muslims who are nothing like this scum. To call this person a muslim is insulting other law abiding muslims.

  • Anonymous

    Ravi is turning into Modern day Draupadi..under the protection of these 5 Pandavs-
    1. Vinod Sharma
    2. Prabhat
    3. Manohar
    4. PrahaladK
    5. Enrich
    :)

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I agree with you rajeev, even though I am new here. This enric is definately an ISI agent. I dont know why Ravi covertly supports him.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Because

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Extra shift in the ‘label making shed’ is in full swing and the clapper boys are slowly coming around to say ‘waah, waah’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ manohar

    You arer ending up clapping for Ravi and Engrich all the time…

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have said this earlier – short memory is injurious to your health. Please go back and check my comments – it is strictly based on the content of the post and not exclusively ‘label making and or clapping’. I have clapped for many who seem to be on the other side of the fence too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are guilty of supporting Islamic terrorist on this blog..No amount of flowery language can change that fact.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    short memory is injurious to your health, but a twisted mind like his is dangerous for the country itself, because it refuses to see the terrror being spread insidiously by the two turds here and being clapped all the time by him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You clap all the time when Ravi keeps dishing out sheer nonsense.

    Anonymous Reply:

    These five Islamists and Congressis work in tandem and keep protecting terrorist Ravi. Anyone can see that but Manohar being a Congressi and Rahul follower can not be expected to use brain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because his disguise is better than engrich’s.

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  • Anonymous

    PrahaladK loves to use too much ‘JI’ and ‘Sir’…I think he is Sanghi or a tamilian…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is anything wrong if he is a Sanghi or Tamilian?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    btw Prahlad is a sort of a common name in Karnataka; Dr CK Prahlad, the famous management guru, is from karnataka

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pl. don’t insult simple hearted Kannadigas..

    Anonymous Reply:

    among whom I happen to be one.

    Vaary Vaary simble and humble too!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanghi is a hated word for Islamists and muslims..and tamilians are usually Babus who love calling everyone ‘SAAR SAAR’…

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev and Prahlad,,

    I bet he is oriya ! s that right Prahlad?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am looking forward to something substantial from you. I skipped a movie for this blog !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    No..he is not Oriya..Oriya people are very simple and not cunning like the guy in question.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ Prahlad

    When you talked about conversions, everyone started talking about Hindus being converted to other religions. In jammu, where I hail from all conversions are one sided, Hindus can be converted to Islam, but inc ase a Muslim converts to Hinduism or christianity, he is killed, especially in the Kashmir area. Can we also specifically talk about

    a) Muslims like Sikander bakht, Sahir Ludhianvi etc who covnerted to Hinduism and felt relieved

    b) Sikhs being converted to Islam

    c) Christians being converted to Islam and Hinduism

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Maybe you are right. To get the total picture one may need to see the reactions of different religions. I guess nobody likes the idea of a person leaving his/her fold… while the people in the other religion feel they have added another number.

    Specifically this freedom has to be two way. I have a grouse– and so many others to– that Islam allows people in but rewards an outgoing person with the death sentence in case Sharia applies.

    Yes everyone has a right to choose his or her religion– my view. But apostasy is an evil which needs to be wiped out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hi,

    I am not really talking merit or demerit of conversion. It’s too delicate to touch upon that. I was hoping somebody would be honest enough to share his experience – why did he convert and what was his life experience after that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar and Ravi have been converts to xtianity and Islam respectively. Let them tell us merit of such conversions.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    we all know about the ex-Mona Sikh, who is now an Islamic jihadi, but the congressie troll?

    I should have guessed!

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  • Anonymous

    Cmon Prahlad

    have a sense of humour!! I was jus making a guess… ! Anyway my guess was just based on an intutionof judging language which I believe I ahve and u may prove I dont !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    It’s ok. I love debating with you and I look forward to lots of opportunities.

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  • Anonymous

    As another new year unfolds, this is what I wish will happen in the next few years:

    - Womens reservation in parliament gets passed. The panchayat/municipality reservation for women have worked well in improving the general well-being; so it should help a lot if we have a good number of women in Lok Sabha.
    - Decimation of congress in the 2014 Lok Sabha elections; with a coalition led by Modi (with BJP or not), with Modi becoming the PM, and hopefully at the helm for two terms
    - full electric supply in 5 years (taking full fledged advantage of the nuclear treaty)
    - Economic growth climbing back to 9% or higher from the depressed levels of today
    - Opening up infrastructure to private sector, with appropriate regulations on land seizure etc formulated by the government
    - Government to get out of the “dilution of merit” business; but providing educational and training facilities for the disadvantaged to help them compete (ie do not reduce marks to get into medical college, create best higher sec schools, coaching programs etc so they get the requisite marks) — how many of us will want our children to be treated by a doctor who got into MBBS/MD programs with a lower level of marks, and who got the job based on some quota? We have to stop the mad rush to mediocrity

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi SIr,

    One small observation. There are more doctors out there who got their degrees through huge donations than reservation.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Them too– no dilution of merit

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    Ravi Reply:

    That is an interesting point.

    I have a relative who got dispensation of 5% marks as well as a seat based on Defence Quota.

    We here focus mainly on Religious and Minority Quota’s, when they exist for other criteria – such as Defence – as well.

    I hope Shoeb reads this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    As things stand today… state governments have stopped creating medical colleges. And many a time, the money spent on educating doctors goes waste in case docs migrate . (Now I am going to lose a few doc friends here, but let me be brutal now… )

    So in the end nothing wrong with private med education, considering that we have such an absymal shortage fo doctors here. believe me.. and let me say it from experience, getting into even the private mad colleges– in ase you are not a quota person– is near impossible for an excellent student. The ratios are literally 100 people giving an exam for one seat.

    The pitfalls of expensive med education are many. Besides bankrupting parents, in many cases, the docs are under a lot of pressure to prescribe tests and do procedures which may not be required, but the docs need the money.

    I ahve seen my brother do his medicine in a government college– MAMC and pay the negligent fee. And I am now seeing friends children getting ready to pay 15 lakhs an year.

    We need doctors. Perhaps the government should reverse policy and create at least 100 more med colleges.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am not sure if this mushrooming of private engineering/management and medical colleges have really helped in producing good talents !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    The state has failed here in getting in public education.

    NOthing wrong in pvt colleges. As far as Engineering goes… small companies like mine… do not get IIT or REC products. We get ,,, well people from smaller colleges or pvt colleges. They get their opportunity, we get employees who are not going to ditch us fast.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I guess it’s still safe to have bad talents in Managerial jobs. But it could be a nightmare in pure engineering / medical jobs !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    15 lakhs? When did this rate go down. ? I know a boy who paid 30 lakhs just
    two years ago. Perhaps recession has affected this business also.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    That is over the top optimism…you are forgetting that this country is infested with people like Prahalad and Manohar who hate any change to status quo because it suits their vested interests.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I know your utmost admiration for Modi.

    One small point though – full electricity supply in 5 years. If you referring to Gujarat’s electrification of all its village and Modi taking credit or his supporters giving him the credit for the entire electrification, the facts are – when Modi took over as the CM, 18000 odd villages out of the 19000 odd villages already had electric power, so he had to see that 1000 or so villages got power over period of 5/6/7/8 years.

    Modi as the PM is not likely to happen. The central leadership has made sure and has confined him to Gujarat for over 10 years now and I do not see that they will bring him on the national stage. This is my reading. I may be wrong.

    It would be interesting to see if the BJP uses him as one of the party’s campaigners in UP and other states going to polls. We will have to wait and watch.

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  • Anonymous

    PrahaldK has been floating a new theory that Modi was forced by RSS to take revenge in 2002 riots.

    What is his theory on who forced Rajiv Gandhi to slaughter 5000 sikhs in 1984? Fake sikh who keeps defending Osama and bunch should keep away. Let the real Boss PrahaladK reply if he has an iota of honesty in him. I am sure he is Diggi like who shoots and scoots..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure he will come up with some weird theory, like his ratan, mistry picture.But the fake Sikh, Ravi will blame it on RSS, and his side kick, the ****, will blame it on Brahmnsts and zionsts.

    Because, Rajeev means a kamal, which, even when it grows in cess pools, is considered pure.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    Your words ‘ we Indians are not fools to let go the good and embrace the ugly ‘
    Than what is the problem ? Why keep on shouting RSS. I believe there are
    negligible number of Indian who believe in extreme – if there is any extremism
    left in RSS – policies of that organization and that should not matter at all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Your comment – …I believe there are negligible number of Indian who believe in extreme…

    It’s true.Life can go on despite this small extreme groups. But at times these small groups ( not necessarily RSS ) can hold the whole society to a ransom. from time to time, small and marginal leaders from various religious groups have pushed their communities to corner.

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    Ravi Reply:

    RSS has 50,000 shakhas in India.

    Is that small?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    And all the members of these shakhas believe in extremism ?

    Ravi Reply:

    No they just go because they are bored.

    What do you think?

    If all Muslim Madrassa students are not Jihadi, then surely not all Shakha swayamsevaks are fundos.

    But in both cases a good proportion are. N R Godse was one such individual.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There are more than 50,000 madrasas only in North India who teach extremism and produce terrorists like you.

    engrich Reply:

    u are wrong madarssa dont extremism.actually 40%students in bihar are non muslim.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad, Sirji,

    again pardon me butting in, but this time you have used a whole word ‘necessarily’ unnecessarily.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Well read.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    1) If there are ‘negligible’ number (as you say), then why get upset about my post? I stand by my post.

    2) ‘if there is any extremism left in RSS’ – policies of that organization and that should not matter at all.

    Any extremism left?

    On the contrary plenty, IMO.
    It should matter, so that we have to be on the guard.

    3) RSS ‘professes’ to be a cultural organisation. If it is actually so, why does it have a political outfit? Is it to spread ‘culture’ through politics or is to bring to ‘politics’ to culture?

    Moreover, are there any other cultural organisations which have a political outfits?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    it may be purely incidental to the point you are making about extremism, but have you read in today’s papers that Abdul Madani has been refused bail by the Supreme Court of India.

    And trolls are talking about cultural organisations!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    The problem is that RSS extremism — if there is any left — is compared
    with Islamic extremism. It is like comparing an ant with an elephant.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    These pseudo secular fundoos believe that if the ant is not crushed now, it will grow into a huge tiger, that will threaten their very existence.

  • Anonymous

    Let us guess who is this guy-
    1. He justified 26/11 attacks on India.
    2. Justified Maoists killing para military forces.
    3. Justified Pakistani terrorism against India.
    4. Justified Indian Mujhahideens attacking Indian cities.
    5. Cried when Osama died.
    6. Justifies Islamic terror against west especially US.
    7. Supports Congress wholeheartedly.
    8. His allies are Prabhat, Prahaladk, Manohar, Enrich and Sharma.

    Who is he??? Why is it that a Islamist finds great friends in Congressis?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    your broad hints at “pehchaan kaun” are absolutely bang on spot.

    We can identify fake Ravi even if there were a thousand bloggers here.

    It is also not difficult to understand why the congressi troll supports all his anti-Hindu, anti-India rant and propaganda.

    Prabhat has, inexplicably melted away, giving rise to a new blogger, Prahlad.

    But he has made sure nobody misses Prabhat.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ Rajiv

    ??? I am new to this blog. But this seems pretty easy. I hope all that is not true

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Why are discussions on conversion never frank? When I talked about Sikhs being converted to Islam, Christians being converted to Islam and Muslims being converted to Hinduism… there was a dead silence. As long as there was talk of Hindus being converted to other religions it was party time. LET US TALK NOW…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Gandotra

    You have a very short memory.

    In our last interaction on this blog, I did say that forcible conversion from any religion to any other is wrong and I whole-heartedly condemn it.

    If you do not remember then ask me, I will search out the post and give you the evidence. I frequently provide evidence.

    However, now that you have been persuaded of my REAL IDENTITY, I am not sure if my repeating this will make any difference.

    Enjoy your freedom from the known.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,
    The reason is that most of the Congressis here are exactly like Diggi always finding faults with others.

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  • Ravi

    Gopi and Shoeb, and others.

    Must reservations and concessions always amount to dilution of merit

    Over the last two blogs both Shoeb and Gopi have linked reservations of student places in academic institutions with dilution of merit. I am not convinced that any REAL dilution of merit results or for that matter if such concessions necessarily lead to poor quality graduates.

    I believe that senior academics have a very clear understanding of the level of entry qualifications essential for a candidate to be able to follow the course successfully. The fact is that a very very large proportion of people achieve this standard of entry requirements. So much so that a straight cut-off mark is WAY ABOVE that is essential for a successful completion of the course. It is mainly used to admit the BEST possible, and not all those that are capable.

    For Example, let us assume that 70% marks in three sciences are sufficient to indicate that a candidate will experience no difficulty in coping with the course. Furthermore, let us assume that there are 100 seats in an institution and that 600 candidates with marks over 90% apply. In this case going by strict merit criteria 500 capable candidates, will not get admission.

    Let us extend the example slightly, let’s say that the institution in question reserves 5 seats for minorities and allows them 5% concession in entry criteria. Then 5 of the 505 candidates that did not make the cut-off point of 90% will become eligible.

    However, all of these candidates are still above the point needed for successful completion of the course.

    So where is the dilution of merit in the above example? Most institutions in India request entry qualification way above that needed for the course and apparent concessions are not real concessions.

    Professor Brian Cox only managed a D in his Maths A level.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    The 5% who get seats from reservation quota, more often they do not meet
    this cut off of 70% marks.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I need to be convinced of that. Although I will not rule it out.

    My reason is simple, from experience of my nieces, the cut off points are way way above what is necessary for such courses.

    I am sure that you know, people who do not get admission in India, often end up in prestigious institutions abroad and make a very good job of their selected courses.

    There is no shortage of academic achievers in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-
    Academic achievers are sidelined to give admissions/seats to the less qualified. The situation may be the worst in my home state TN, where essentially all TamBram candidates are sidelined despite achieving very high marks. (American universities know this situation now; they recruit these kids to Dartmouth, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon etc on full scholarship! They end up at Google and Apple and accumulate patents for them. I personally know seven students – all my close friends’ cousins or cousins’ children – doing undergraduate studies on full scholarship at Princeton, Stanford, and Dartmouth. They could not get in to TN professional colleges.

    I do not endorse any reservation – be religion, defence forces children. I am for equality of opportunity, like here in the US where an equally or higher qualified person is not rejected because of ethnicity, race, language etc.

    I am traveling next few days; back to India on Saturday; so I will not be able to respond till then.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    I understand your position, and I know how well Indian’s do in international institutions.

    However, I am not convinced that all these pople in the US, UK and elsewhere are there as a direct result of reservations.

    Enjoy your trip.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi- you are right, not all Indian students in US/UK are there as a result of reservations. In fact it may be a smaller number; because the booming Indian economy has helped many parents to send their children abroad for studies. However, a good number in prestigious schools seem to be the result of reservations (according to the students I know — may be a small sample to extrapolate).

    Have a wonderful new year!

    The right wingers here, especially the Republican presidential primary contestants, have started rabble rousing about attacking Iran…Obama may be forced to bomb if his poll numbers continue to drop!

    Ravi Reply:

    It would’nt surprise me.

    All the demonization is for a reason.

  • Anonymous

    FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MONTHS, Ravi has said something pretty sensible. His theory that some reservation candidates who get 70 percent marks, come out ok on the other end has some truth in it.
    But while a 70 score candidate may make a good IAS officer, I dont think I want my cardiologyst to be anything less than 90 percent marks, you missed that ravi.
    BIG WELCOME BACK TO VINAY, I remember you. And I see you remember your getting very irritated by Ravi one year ago when ravi used to spout jehadi bullcrap like you Indians have devdasis and you genocided Jains, god he used to give everyone a headache. However ravi has shed his jehadi skin of 2010 and become an obsessive congressi now.
    Gud to talk vinay

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  • Anonymous

    Shekhar, what you say abt apostacy and blasphemy in Islam is depressingly true. But vinay will remember, ravi said indians were just as bad cos they objected to M F Hussains vulgar paintings, but oh please, if anyone dared paint the prophets face, ravi would get vaary upset and blow himself up.
    Convrrsions theoretically should be freely allowed except when hatred of the other religion gets involved or when money is involved, then folk get upset. Why hv conversions, as Sri sri ravi shankar said, take what u want from all religions

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    Ravi Reply:

    Months after I expressed my views on the above.

    I still stand by my views.

    M.F. Hussein was hounded out of India by Hindu Fundos. It was just another point scoring exercise, a platform from which the Hindu Funds were able to show their newly aquired agression.

    It is not the question if a picture of Mohammad is allowed or not, it is that in Ilslam ALL representative art is forbidden. Hence why Islamic art is graphical.

    Where as in Hinduism, pictures of Gods can be bought from pavement vendors.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There has been tradition of painting Mohammad..Google and find out..

    and let us say if there is not, why can’t a new tradition be started by non-muslims. For you he may be holy but for us he is no more than ordinary warrior and politician.

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    engrich Reply:

    keep ur views nobody should force u to changethis.but dont do or say anything which hurt others.

    Anonymous Reply:

    why?

    Hurting Hindus, you as two fundamentalist Muslims, believe is your birth right?

    Mohammed is your prophet, you worship him.

    If Hindu gods are painted obscenely, others would feel free to paint Mohammed equally obscenely.

    Then don’t start your wailing and breast beating.

    Blow yourself up with a kilogram of TNT.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is this your *contribution* ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    why are you coming with your gripe on the side of the Islamic fundoos?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You had two choices . Either to meaningfully contribute or keep wallowing in your make believe world of labels. You chose latter. Enjoy the hot airedness while it lasts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Two points
    1) Meaningful contribution? When was the last time did you get to read it from label maker?

    2) Is this ‘label-making’ racket a profitable one?

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think this is all a game of self congratulation. If hindu feeligns are being hurt congratulate yourself. But when Engrich is not allowe dto run with pink chaddi of Danish cartoons talk about labels.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    you are now wallowing in your own secular ****!

    I have contributed to the MFH debate with full meaning and substance. AND you cannot deny that he had to run away from Indians just like me, who objected to his secular copulation of Hindu goddesses. All you pseudo secular fundoos couldn’t do a thing to bring him back. Even the Left front government in Kerala had to beat a hasty retreat.

    But, I regret to say this about you:

    You will always write fuzzy things fuzzily and believe that your ‘contributions” are being appreciated by everybody. In the words of your mate, the congressie troll, May I say to you, “Mahesh, take a walk”.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Right Shenoy

    I have asked a simple question to mahesh, Manohar, Ravi and Engrich. WHy cannot engrich wear a chaddi fo danish cartoons in Srinagar and run like DK bose bhaag.

    After all all these guys were shedding tears for artistic freedom.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Mr Mahesh, why u keep quite when enrihch post all nonsense about hindu spiritual leader? When they can do it, they should have the guts to get it back without crying bachao mummy bachao !

    Anonymous Reply:

    because he is Raj Thackrey variety of Ghati.

    engrich Reply:

    If Hindu gods are painted obscenely, others would feel free to paint Mohammed even if not obscenely

    u are parrot of parivar.hindu gos are painted usually by hindu painter.mf hussain only copied one of the painting earlir painted by hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “In Hinduism, pictures of Gods can be bought from pavement vendors”…???

    Ravi, couldn’t you have just said, “Hindus can buy their Gods’ pictures from anywhere” – instead of dragging their Gods in pavements? And, is selling Gods’ picture by pavement vendors a tenet of “Hinduism”? Why “in Hinduism”???

    There are no MFH type Gods’ pictures in the pavement – that man painted, not once, not twice, not thrice, not four times, not five times; but six times insulting images of Gods worshiped by billion people – nude Indian Goddesses copulating with animals — nobody could buy that in the pavement…

    Obviously fundo Hindus should have put him in his place after the first painting. He must have thought it is A OK when nobody objected and continued on his merry rounds.

    It indeed is shameful that his artistic freedom could not paint a dressed prophet, leave alone a nude one…

    I nevertheless consider him as a great Indian painter

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Obviously fundo Hindus should have put him in his place after the first painting. ”
    How So ? What would your choiice be ? Issuing a Fatwa or ignoring the person into oblivion ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    They should have gone to the court after the first one, or do a Mafia threat that he is a goner if he does one more..I honestly believe he went on doing this because he knew the Hindus’ clarion call of “no more Somnath” is simply a paper tiger..( so he draws a tiger copulating with Durga…! )

    Anonymous Reply:

    IMHO, going the Court way is acceptable. Trouble with Mafia way is once it is done it keeps getting done.
    That said – personally I don’t have any high opinion about him given the not so random co-relation between controversies and the price that art form . Plus my own aesthetic sense is terribly poor. However, the Mafia way is definitely no go.

    Anonymous Reply:

    well, did not want Mafia to knock him down; but just a threat from Tony… he was a cheerleader for Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Nehru Gandhi during the emergency because he was afraid of being put in jail; so a simple threat would have made him not to draw these offending ones

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Obviously fundo Hindus should have put him in his place after the first painting”.

    The painting (Bharatmata) which is supposed to have ‘outraged’ the sensibilities of the ’self appointed’ guardians of Hindu culture was created in 1970. The outrage manifested itself only in 1996, when the Hindutvawadis were in ascendance, after they were printed in Vichar Mimansa, a Hindi monthly magazine, which published them in an article headlined “M.F. Husain: A Painter or Butcher”. Then all hell broke loose and the hounding started by the RSS supported hoodlums started.

    Why were these ‘guardians’ of the society sleeping for 26 years? Any answers?

    —————
    Those opposing M F Hussain were wrong and so were people who went berserk over the Danish cartoons.

    The respective religions are not so weak that they would be get adulterated and compromised by mere paintings and cartoons. it is high time people got a life.
    ————–

    The spineless Government of India just caved in and did nothing to protect M F Hussain, on the other hand the Danish Government made sure that the newspaper and the staff were protected and if I am not mistaken, the culprit(s) who had threatened to kill the cartoonist, were apprehended.

    ———
    Today there is interesting quote by Salman Rushdie in print addition of TOI.

    “Free speech 101, gents, you say what you like, I choose what I listen to, I write what I like, you choose what you read”.

    This elementary homily is lost on the extremists of all shades.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, what if some abstract painter paints a picture of abstractly and gives it the name of the prophet?

    Would that be alright? In fact, MF Husain too did some abstract painting and gave it the name of Bharat Mata.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Shenoy

    IMO, the problem is not that Mr. Hussain painted these
    pictures, problem is the people who talk in favour of Mr. Hussain
    citing freedom of expression and then go on and lash at
    people who drew Danish cartoons or the lady who wrote
    about plight of hindus in Bangladesh, because it will hurt the feelings of the people of one particular religion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, they will say Hussein’s liberty is a license, whereas the Danish painter’s liberty is not a license.
    It is a shame on Hussein, a “believer in freedom” will renounce his Indian citizenship to live in a FREE Quatar… Anyway, may he RIP…
    In an interview with Shekhar gupta, to a question on why he doesnt paint the prophet, his answerw as “I do not want to discuss it” ..a weasel answer…

    I am ashamed that my state Govt will award him “Raja Ravi Varma award”… Raja Ravi Varma must be turning in his grave!

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    he would not discuss it becsue of summar killings in sharia. Let us admit the truth instead of beating around the bush.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Mr. Hussain was believer in freedom upto a certain point only. He knew where to draw a line. He would never paint anything which
    would hurt the feelings of muslims as he knew
    that will probably kill him He was a very clever person, he know these controversial paintings
    will fetch him immense fame which will eventually turn into huge financial gain.
    Our ‘ secular ‘ media and few goondas
    helped him in achieving his goal of becoming
    rich and famous.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    He did not care about the freedom of others. He was one of the few (or may be the only one) artists who supported and cheered the emergency decree of Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Nehru Gandhi in 1975. He was not jailed (while many other writers/artists, including an uncle of mine were jailed).. In appreciation he drew a painting of Indira (mother Durga) riding India

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I agree with you.

    It is a double irony. One is that he is being supported by those very same people demanding freedom for him to draw whatever he chose to, who were in 1974-75 crushing Indians under their emergency jackboots. The other is that those artists who got crushed under those very same jackboots, too were cheering the clever painter MFH whilew he painted those obscene pictures.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    What else you expect from Congress?

    The artists learned how to make money and achieve position by cheering for MFH

    Anonymous Reply:

    please note that SHekhar Gupta was quite comfortable with the weasel’s answer, else he would have bombarded the interviewee literally out of the TV screen. Remember his inquisiition of Arvind Kejriwal on NDTV last week?

    He couldn’t badger MFH, because MFH has become a secular icon precisely because he could, non-chalantly as it were, paint Hindu goddesses having sex with animals.

    And your state government was prevented from honouring MFH with the award by the High court.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This is what I have been saying. The problem are these ‘ secular ‘ people like Shekhar Gupta, who would appreciate the paintings for Mr. Hussain, citing freedom of expression and will go and attack
    Danish cartoonists. M F Hussian
    understood this situation and exploited
    it to his benefit. He was a very clever person.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Here you are mohan.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Who has not allowed painting MOhammad? it is only some fatwa weilding terrorist with an AK 47 of which you are afraid of.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Bye

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    JO darr gaya woh bye keh ke bhaag gaya

    Ravi Reply:

    बच्चों से लड़ने से भागना बेहतर है

    ऐसी लड़ाई बड़े कभी नहीं जीत सकते

    तुम जीते में हारा, अब घर जाओ

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Sach ka saaman kar ne ki himmat nahi hai. Come to Jammu and wear a chaddi of Danish cartoons along with engric. Then say I believe in artistic freedoms

    engrich Reply:

    objected to M F Hussains vulgar

    same painting was painted by hindu painters million times before.hence issue was political not spritual.

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  • Anonymous

    Laloo’s views are almost identical to Congressi-Jehadi group on this blog.. amazing

    http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/videos/64855

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  • Anonymous

    The Spirit of Bombay/Mumbai

    Ranji Trophy Quarter Final

    Day One: Madhya Pradesh – 192 all out, Mumbai 70 for 5
    Day Two: Mumbai 346 for 7 (Kaustubh Pawar – 160*)

    From the TOI print edition

    It doesn’t take long for Mumbai cricket to discover it’s next hero. And he usually arrives when the going gets tough. In fact, the Mumbai Ranji team serves as a good illustration when one talks about ‘the spirit of Mumbai’- a term used as a tribute to the perseverance and determination of the people of this metropolis to keep life going come floods, blasts or any adversity.

    A case in point being their Ranji quarterfinal against Madhya Pradesh at the Holkar Stadium here. By Monday evening on Day One of the game, they were chopping in troubled waters at 70 for five in reply to MP’s 192. By Tuesday evening, they turned the game on its head with a marvellous fightback.

    —————

    Bombay / Mumbai has become India’s most successful domestic team .It has played in 43 of the 66 Finals through 2010 and have won 39 Ranji Trophy championships (Total – 75).

    Beat that.

    Delhi is distant second with 7 wins followed by Mysore/Karnataka (6), Baroda (5) and Holkar/MP (4).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Is there any way that this spirit of Bombay is passed over to our
    current team playing in Australia ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The situation in Indian cricket is like this. The selectors (one from each zone) have for the last several years have ganged up and make sure that players from Bombay do not get in – unless you are ST or ZK. perhaps out of sheer jealousy.

    The situation has become worse after K Srikanth became the chief selector.

    1) He has been busy pushing players from his own state Tamil Nadu in particular (Mukunds, Muralis and Badrinaths) and South Zone in general. All of them have turned out to be failures (never mind they do very well in domestic competition). International cricket is a different ball game altogether.

    A case in point – Wasim Jaffer – he had one bad series in Australia and has been forgotten for good. Let us see if they give marching orders to Guatam Gambhir – who is in the same boat at the moment and to V V S Laxman (bad series in England and now in Australia).

    I suppose, get more batsmen from Bombay and then see the difference. This city is crazy about playing (and playing it well) as distinct from watching.

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  • Anonymous

    Reservation should be only at the starting point. At primary level only.
    Education is very important and should be mandatory for everyone.
    At primary level government should ensure that children below BPL are admitted
    to the schools. This should not be based on caste or religion, but purely on economic reasons.
    Problems start when this reservation is extended till colleges and further
    extened to get government jobs. We are breeding mediocrity by this system.
    People in favour of resversation never take human nature into account. Their idea
    is noble but not good for furture generation. Just look at NREGA. This is a scheme
    where free money is given to people, where as it is suppose to extract work from them. This scheme has created a huge burden on the state, and has increased
    the inflation without any asset being created by all this money which is spend on
    this silly scheme. It is very simple – why work when you are freely paid – .
    Same happens with the reservation at college level and for government jobs.
    Why study when you are almost assured of the admission in the colleges and
    jobs in different government departement.
    Push them up the ladder at the starting point only and latter let them climb
    on their own. If you keep on pushing them further and further they will just stop climbing, because they know that even if they do not make any effort to climb, a
    push will come to help them.

    As Balwinderji said, I want my cardiologist who got 90% and not who got
    70% or less. Let the merit win in the end.

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    engrich Reply:

    those who make 90%leave india after using our subsdized eucation system.bill gate never got 90%.brhmn doctors use their eduation to hurt others.many are languishing in american jails.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Engrich and Ravi

    Scientists are discovering new things every day. New rules are being created. Why cannot a new tradition of painting Mohammad and ayeesha be created as per the painters creativity? Why will it be firebombed?

    I do not agree with the intention of the Danish cartoonist. But given the abuse of Hindus engirch does, he should appreciate that the danish cartoo0ns were like mickey mouse. They did not have vulgar language. He can wear those danish cartoons on his underwear and run around and enjoy life.

    Engrich you pigs **** I want a straight answer on this. When are you goingo wear the danish cartoons on your chaddi and run in Srinagar? You can start the jounrey from my house in Jammu. I promise I will collect 100 “liberal” PDP and NC members to flag the rally. Since Ravi also aprreciates the depiction of gods in such a manner, he should join you.

    Will you ravi?

    bhaag D K Bose bhaag! Bhaag Engrich Bhag ! Bhaag pigs **** bhaag ! Bhaag D K Bhaag ! Danish cartoons ki chaddi bana ke bhaag…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    you will be disappointed if you expect these two jihadi turds, fake Ravi and Mootandar, to rise to your challenge, because that would expose their Pakistani connection,m which will expose the ISI.

    Perhaps, engrich will now enter J&K as a woman, as per the ISI’s new strategy of pushing in jihadis in the disguise of women.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Another meaningful contribution by the resident Hindu Fundo, fabricator of labels with much reduced ability to tackle even the simplest of points.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    wearing a burkha would help in your entering J&K.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    In Jammu and Kashmir this sort of twisted logic is given by so called secular forces to justify the on side killing by jehadi forces. I do not expect them to rise to the challenge becasue fo cowardly nature of discourse. If they are so eloquont about hussain’s paintings as artistry, let them wear Dansihs cartoons as artistry outside PDP and JKLF offices.

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    engrich Reply:

    danish cartoon was made by a notorious jew to hurt that country.as norway hate isreal and jews both.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I am sure you and Ravi believe this. Is that true Mr Ravi?

    Ravi Reply:

    An introduction to Mr Gandotra, by none other than Mr Gandotra himself.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Eloquonce and artistic freedoms cannot be only evoked when HIndus get hurt. I hope you will have guts to answer my seedha question.

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    engrich Reply:

    hindus made these paintings million time before.only crazy like were supporting the gundaas and murderers of rss.a rumour spreading society and biggest centre of sodomy in india.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Why cannot you wear a pink chaddi fo Danish cartoons and also have hussains paintings in a placard and then say “I love artistic freedom” ? Then run !! Bhaag D K Bose Bhaag

    engrich Reply:

    this stupid argument was rejected even by our supreme court.
    donkeys of parivar sing the same song.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Gandotra

    I have the guts, I just do not have the will.

    Anonymous Reply:

    fatt gayi.. :)

    engrich Reply:

    u people are only anti-muslim .u are not hindu.kali is shown naked in temples.so nakedness is not banned in hinduism.
    in christianity and islam it is banned.

    engrich Reply:

    yh bhi bara singha lagta hai

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    engrich Reply:

    gadhon kee kame nahi ghalib

    ek dhoondho hazar milte hain.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Did you see the mirror? Have you changed from a pig to a gadha? When r u comimg to Srinagar with a pink chaddi of “very artistic” danish cartoons?

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar-
    I did not answer your q on the two BSP ministers joining BJP.
    Kushawaha is not only deep in corruption, he is also a suspect in two murder cases – a doctor and an IAS who were murdered because they objected to the siphoning of rural health allocation…
    BJP has shown total immaturity, lack of political clue/skills by jumping on immediately to take them in. Gadkari’s oversize head is hollow.

    My tea leaves say BJP will get fewer seats than what they have now. They cannot blame anybody but themselves.

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi,

    As long as this hated Dalai Lama is pampered and protected by the Indian rulers, China will never be ready for any reconciliation with India. Political observers say the Hindu rulers are sheltering the Dalai Lama, a stooge of the West, only to irritate China.
    Does it not mean India is deliberately diverting billions and billions of rupees meant for its Bahujan have-nots for border defence? Who asked the rulers to wage war against these countries?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    India is not sheltering Dalai Lama to irritate China. On the contrary, China and India are co-operating even more these days. And yet, India has maintained sheltering Dalai Lama. An acti that is finely balanced.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dalai Lama is better than Mohammad anyday. Don’t abuse such a peaceful person if you have some decency left.

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi and shekhar ,do u agree with me,

    SECRET OF BRAHMINIST RULE OVER INDIA
    Keep Bahujans starved by diverting funds to war & violence

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Bhag D K engirch… and learn new brainwashing theories from your jehadi masters.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Yes, BJP is no different from others, never mind the pontificating of its “virtues” by its leadership.

    ————

    On the side lines. I have not seen you so indignant earlier as you are for the last 24 hours or so. What has changed? Just curious.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    After CBI raids I think it was Congress who was trying to rope in Kushwaha but BJP beat it.

    However I find BJPs action of admitting scums like Kushwaha suicidal.

    By the way Rahul is on unchecked abusing spree in UP..Both SP and BSP are looking scared.. I think CBI’s fear is keeping them quiet.

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  • Anonymous

    A lady doctor in Tamil Nadu was stabbed and killed by the husband of one of her patients who died due to her negligence. I believe him being an auto rikshaw driver/not having enough money etc played a role in the doctor not caring for the patient.

    Things will change in this country for good when a few doctors, few MPs, few ministers, few IAS get killed by the people affected by their greed/non-performance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    “Things will change in this country for good when a few doctors, few MPs, few ministers, few IAS get killed by the people affected by their greed/non-performance. ”
    Two problems with this line of thinking :
    1> Problems won’t stop with just killing a few. There will others who will take their place and now they will be better protected and more fortified.
    2> Violent actions – be it resorted to by Naxals or individuals or State armed groups (including security forces) almost tend to re-inforce the perpetrator’s behavior in resorting to more such violence, almost leading to point where they become the new powers. Who and how will keep that power in check ?
    Plus there is always a problem with the visible corrupt face of system being much smaller part of the problem .

    And yet I agree that “aam aadmi” stands utterly helpless in front of the throroughly corrupt system. Somehow, I don’t see any good answer coming up anytime soon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Addendum to my earlier comment – as and when you get time watch the film “The Killing Fields”. Especially the part how violence de-sensitises kids even in their teens.

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  • Ravi

    Freedom of Expression and Heaven and Hell

    Much is talked about Freedom of Expression as soon as M.F. Hussein, Danish Cartoons, and the subject of Painting of Mohammad is mentioned.

    It would be a good discussion, if it was not that most of the contributions here are little more than thinly disguised rants of dyed in saffron Islamophobes. These people are not interested in any argument because to them it is just another opportunity to propel their rancid irrational Islamophobic views.

    Freedom of expression does not require us to set aside our innately felt laws of decency. These laws must apply when one considers commenting upon basic fundamental beliefs of other people. I would agree that in comparison to other religions Islam is particularly touch about certain things. But that is where we presently are.

    In Islam figurative art is forbidden, an idea which is not original to Islam, but was widely prevalent during the times of its inception. Plato – who pre-dates Islam had banished artists from his ideal republic. So no pictures of Mohammad exist because Islam is against Idol worship and such pictures are considered as idols.
    Once we understand the above and we wish to exercise our FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION then such freedom needs to be exercised with sensitivities towards such fundamental beliefs. For centuries that has been the case. The world has mostly respected this taboo.

    M.F. Hussein – Subject of M.F. Husein’s very large body of work is INDIA in all its glory, Hindu Gods and Goddesses, included. He has done nothing different in any specific painting that he has not done in the rest of his work. He did not set out to offend or for that matter to blaspheme against Hindu Gods. But then we are talking about India within which sits this monolithic organisation called the RSS. It has a long term social engineering project – Invent Hinduism – or at least redefine it. This project requires a constant supply of ISSUES which can be used to project its warped ideology and publicise its view of the world. M.F. Hueesein’s picture caught the eye of ONE journalist and the rest you all know.

    M.F. Hussein was a manufactured issue; which was press ganged to serve the RSS agenda. It is one more example of the oxymoron – aggressive Hinduism. Hinduism is a passive religion with the highest quality spiritual content of any religion.

    Meanwhile, some elements of Islam – wahabism in particular – itself is on a path of aggression and has needlessly created conflicts here there and every where. US’s reaction to this aggression is also aggressive and as a result we have an atmosphere where the Danish Cartoons fit in. After centuries, self imposed restrain and respect gave way to provocation. What did it achieve? Absolutely nothing.

    Danish cartoons had nothing to do with freedom of expression, it was a weapon used in the current war between Islam and the west. Here the timing is more important than freedoms. Freedom of expression was brought into play post event and was not the original objective.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think you are doing a bad job of propoganda. If an artist views Mohammad as a cartoon it is his right . Plain and simple.

    Every year at least 10,000 criminals are caught whose name has mohammad in it. Does it mean that the original mohammad commited the crime.

    If Hussain can visualise hindu gods and goddesss, why should there be a restraint on a christian a jew or Hindu to make a similar drawing of Mohammad and Ayesha.

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    engrich Reply:

    Every year at least 10,000 criminals are caught whose name has mohammad

    where .

    most of the criminals in and aroud delhi are hindus from jammu.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Do not agree with you. You cannot apply Indian laws in USA. Similarly
    Islamic laws should not be binding on people of other religions.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Who said anything about Islamic laws.

    Laws of decency do not have geographical jurisdictions.

    But I note your dis-agreement. Nothing new there then.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Religions should withstand such onslaughts. Whether they come in form of Danish
    Cartoons, Quran burning, banning of Geeta and movies like Da Vinci code.
    If the reaction is violent to such episodes, then there is some serious problem
    with that particular group of people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    This is at a higher level of sophistry away from your earlier condescenting sattement “In Hinduism, pictures of Gods can be bought from pavement vendors”..

    MF Husain is no lover of freedom, as his support (one of the few prominent artists at that time, or may be even the only artist) of Shrimathi Indira Gandhi during the 1975 emergency amply demonstrates. Not only he supported her, he cheerlead her by drawing her (depicting as Durga) slaying Jayaprakash Narayan. This was when other artists lost their right to “freedom of expression”.

    You talk about world norms, practice from the time of Plato….how does a “natural born” artist from rural Kakinada know what is “norm”.. What if he draws a nude picture and caption it Mohamed Nabi? Will he be lynched?

    But MFH knew the norms you are talking about. He very well knew he could not draw the prophet, whether clad or unclad. He has the artistic freedom to draw sexual perversions, but he does not have the license to depict them as Sita or Durga. There would not have been a quarrel if he had painted a nude woman sitting on the tail of a monkey. But he captioned it as “Sita”. Then he has an Indian goddess like figure copulating with a lion. He captions it as “Durga”. Well, idol worship is prohibited in Islam, and one can understand him not drawing the picture of the Prophet. But will he paint Fatima in a compromising position? MFH took the Indian liberty as a license.

    “He did paint India in all its glory, Hindu gods and goddesses included” – yes glory pictures of Gods and goddesses, not just nude, not just copulating, but copulating with animals. And he had the audacity to caption them Sita, Saraswathi, Durga…fellows, not once, not twice, not thrice, not four times, not five times, but six times. Did he exercise his “freedom of expression” with sensitivities to a large part of the billion of Hindus who consider Sraswathi etc their personal Gods? Or is that sensitivity restricted only to the prophet?

    Liberty is a two way street. As Kant said “act only on that maxim whereby thou canst at the same time will that it should become a universal law’

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I completely disagree with you.

    You have assembled some facts and put them in your own crucible and synthesised a completely unsustainable argument.

    In Hinduism female icons are portrayed in nude throughout our history. Saraswati, Lakshmi, Parvati are all portrayed in the nude with graphical details. M.F Hussein just adopted that universally practiced artistic idiom into his work. If anything he was more conservative than most other artists. His depiction of Hindu goddesses is less erotic than those one can already find in our temples and museums.

    As far as bestiality and other issues you mention, these are common place in our ancient literature as well as sculptures.

    The truth of the matter is that the RSS used M.F. Hussein, just like the Ayodhya Temple, as an issue to agitate against in order to progress their social engineering project.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I knew it was coming.

    You see nothing wrong in MF’s paintings but have problems with RSS protesting against it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In all this vacuous verbosity, there is a kernel of truth, which is that you are an Islamic fundoo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No illustrations by any Indian artist or calender printer depicted female Indian goddesses in semi or full nude. –there have been shirtless Gods, but no blouseless goddesses, or goddesses who did not cover their breast. Saraswathi, Durga or anybody else has not been depicted in nude pictures; neither in bestiality form. Your imagination is just going wild, and your hatred of Hinduism clearly visible.

    And, there NEVER is a story in epics or puranas about a goddess having sex with a beast. That is a figment of your anti-Hindu imagination, a fodder you are creating for your icon.

    MF Hussain “adopted that universally practised artistic idiom “–what universally practised artistic idiom?

    There are nude sculptures of “unknown” Godesses, but not Saraswathi, Parvati, etc

    Your anti Hindu venom is coming out in these justifications..

    Ravi Reply:

    Then we must read different books.

    engrich Reply:

    Saraswathi, Parvati

    parvati is usually shown in see through dresses.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    You are right. I have never seen any nude photographs of Saraswati, Durga or Laxmi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If we talk about tradition, should we not talk of tradition of raping small girls by Mohammad?

    engrich Reply:

    what about ur mother.whom i raped.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    In total agreement with you Gopi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fully agree with you. The Islamists fool people when they say there is no tradition of painting Mohammad. There are many paintings of mohammad some with face and some with blank faces from middle ages.
    What stopped MFH from painting Ayesha copulating with faceless figure? May be fear of beheading..

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    engrich Reply:

    totally right ,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Salman Rushdie’s novel too was a weapon against Islam. It had nothing to do with freedom of expresion.

    Tasleema Nasreen’s book too was a weapon used by Hindu fundoos, who had credited her Swiss bank account with large sum of money to write the “weapon”. This too had nothing to do with the freedom of expresion.

    Actually, the treatment meted out to her, Rushdie and the cartoonist is THE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.

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  • Vinodsharma

    @Bharat
    I have delliberately not repeated the points made by the Opposition in the media. I have only filled up through this blog the points most people ignored.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ Ravi

    What you are trying to say :

    If something is banned in Islam– no Muslim can oppose it becasue he deseerves to be killed for apostasy

    b) All of us in this world should be scared that in case we oppose a ban on figurative art, the AK 47 weilding terrorists will kill us becasue we deserve it.

    Sham arguements.

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  • Anonymous

    Shekar and Shenoy,
    It is never too late to stop arguing with fools – and hence I give up.
    Feel free to revel in your contributions. Some may find them juvenile – but never mind.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Good move, I will follow your example

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shrinks cannot do anything for people who suffer from jihadi halucinations.

    You ahve to take a full bottle of chyawanprash every week.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have been following this for months now. Two of them(edited – make that three mow ) are already on my ‘banned’ list and I avoid others of these types (label makers) like plague. Let them wallow in their muck. No point in wasting one’s precious time in their favourite pastime – shoot the messenger.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    You have not answered my post on self congratulations of convesrions from HInduism to christianisty BUT no self congratulations for conversions from Chirstianity to Hinduism.

    Maybe it does not fit inot your world view.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What do we have here? What do you think of yourself, expecting others to respond t your posts?

    If you expect a reply from me, only if – there is no compulsion from my side – first get some elementary lessons in netiquette and civilised discourse. It is disgusting reading the language (that includes label-fabrication) you have chosen to employ to defend your beliefs and points of view elsewhere on this blog.

    You can wait for support from your types, it will be not long in coming.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shut up Chamche..Now your Pitajis PrahaladK and Ghati Mumbaikar are here, keep quiet.

    engrich Reply:

    hindu is born ,not converted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I told you the support group would not take long to come to your rescue. That is what ‘friends’ are for.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    you are suffering from acute intellectual snobbery.
    It would be too late if you don’t see a shrink immediately.

    In addition you would do well to take a tea spoonful of chyawanprash mixed with cinnamon powder and honey.

    It would cure your snobbery to some extent. Rest, leave it to the shrink.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Snobbery is a very mild word you have used. It is something else completely.
    They way he has written last few posts, he feels that people like you and me
    are beneath him. I would say this is caste ism of the highest order. He feels
    that he is more intelligent than us and it is below his dignity to discuss any
    Issue with the us.

    Mahesh,

    I rarely get angry and I have never said anything like this to anyone and will
    probably never say again.

    Get a life. And I hope I will never see you again.
    ,

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    With all due respects.

    This is a gross over-reaction.

    Just as well that you do not get angry very often.

    It is not difficult to form an impression that your natural comfort zone is to be with agents of provocation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    This Mahesh guy is Ghati and a hired gun by Sharma. He talks nonsense 100% of the time. Only trolls without understanding a word clap for this guy.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    I think you have no answers to my pointed questions. First I asked you if you celeberate conversions why dont you celeberate when Muslims convert to christrianity, Sikhs convert to Islam and Muslims convert to Hinduism. YOU RAN AWAY !

    Then I asked you if you castigate people who perseucted MF Hussain, why dont you say somehting about the Danish cartoonist which was less hurtful as it did not show the respeccted Muslim heads naked, YOU RAN AWAY AGAIN !

    Why dont you coe to J&K and see the onsided killing of HIndus on for 20 years. YOU WILL NEVER DO THIS

    Then who is the fool here? the person with no answers…..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Marathi Ghati calling others juvenile…Go and lecture your Guru Raj Thackrey.

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  • Anonymous

    Fake Ravi,

    “I would agree that in comparison to other religions Islam is particularly touchy about certain things. But that is where we presently are….”

    This is the most hilarious understatement of this century!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    WE !!
    yet again from the Mona Sikh

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    Ravi Reply:

    And what is wrong with that.

    How is WE here wrong. Oh OK so you read it as me saying WE the MUSLIMS are where we are.

    That is fine if it makes your bowels move then you too move into the Label Manufacturing unit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    ‘we’ is not wrong, in fact you said it right.Shows sometimes even you speak out the truth, even if inadvertantly.

  • Anonymous

    I personally believe that one’s freedon of expression should end where it touches someone else’s nose. I would respect your sensibilities and expect the same from you.

    The case of MF Hussain is a classic case. Even Vir Sanghvi didn’t approve the reaction of “secular” people on this controversy.

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  • Anonymous

    Gentlemen,

    In this discussion about mf Hussein which has been discussed umpteen times and fight between shnoy Moran and mahesh a nice post by Mohan on reservation was lost. Iexpected
    regulars like gopi manohar Shenoy Ravi vijay will give their interesting views but alas.
    Gentlemen will you please oblige. Thanks in advance.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    sorry sonam

    It all started with everyone congratulating each other with their version of conversion from Hindu dharma and this pig Engrich abusing Sai baba. I just showed the miror and said, let us alos celeebrate Muslimm converting to Hinduism, Sikhs to Islam and Christians to Hinduism. Sudddenly the self congratulatory group ran away and started throwing stones.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    I like the style of your reply.

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    engrich Reply:

    Engrich abusing Sai baba

    holyman dont take bath with money.gurunanakjee,lord mahavir budha or jesus christ were not billionaire.he was king of frauds making money through fraud and lies.he claimed thet he had cure for all major diseases.fooled the people made money.

    he had 120 diseases could not cure one.died 10 years before prediction.his shram was also used as safe heaven for stolen money.
    actually now ashrams are being used to hoard stolen money.especially since swiss banks became unsafe.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ eNGRICj
    Bhaag Dk Bose bhaag !! pig **** bhaag !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonam,

    let me tell you a story.

    The teacher asked Ram (Ramu in the Hindi class) “tell a story which has a moral in it”.

    Ram said, ” I rang up my GF, but she didn’t lift the phone. Then she rang me up and I didn’t pick up the phone.

    The moral of the story is “jaisi karni waisi bharni”.

    END OF THE STORY.

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  • Anonymous

    Some thing wrong will try again

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  • Anonymous

    RAVI, YOUR MASK SLIPS, AGAIN
    _____________________________________
    You first posed as hindu from UP to debate with Mishraji last year. Then you became UK resident cos u were cosying upto dr shan and myself, then you changed to a sikh, finally to a mona sikh.
    You refused to give your phone number confidentiality to both Zia and Vinodji when they asked you. Raju Kurien remembers time when you were from Sialkot ???? WHAT IS COLOUR OF RAVI”s PASSPORT, is it green, is he pakistani, who knows
    Yesterday, I tripped him again, knew he would fall into manhole, would foam at mouth, HOW DARE YOU PAINT Prophets face. And then shenoy saab, why folk underestimate him, caught Ravi”s famous slip, HE SAID”we”
    mask slipped ravi bhai, u r out of place here. You dont understand indians, no need to hide yr religion or passport here. Hv u seen how much Shoeb and parvez are liked here

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    Don’t be a challa sikh.

    I live about 6 miles west of you, and I am a mona sikh.

    Do you want some more emails, including two or so from Vijay Kumar.

    You just do not know how to read. You are a moron.

    You could’nt trip an electric circuit mate, admit it you are as thick as SAND shit

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    engrich Reply:

    Don’t be a challa sikh.

    mishra jee ke na hone dimag chl gaya hay.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yaaaaaaaaawn ………

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now my verdict.
    1. I would repectfully ask whole world to not paint mohd, but if someone did I would not want that person to be attacked
    2. If Husseins painting offended, then those folk can go to court. Sorry Manohar and Mahesh, so basic.
    Mahesh puttar, less arrogance plesse, Sardar Patel took away royal priveleges
    Sat Sri Akal to gopi, alok, ishwar, vijay, vinay and brilliant shenoy. Mohan yr rare anger is brilliant. Shekhar, like some of yr views, in fact lots, but less of this pink chaddi stuff.
    This is gentelmen blog

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    you are right. Nobody in his senses should get “inspiration” to paint Mohammed even abstractly.

    I DO NOT WANT ANYBODY TO HURT ANY GOOD MUSLIM’S FEELINGS.

    But I hate this hypocrisy about freedom of speech.

    As I had told Mahesh, he is suffering from intellectual snobbery and also arrogance, which Dr. Balwinder has only now diagnosed vaary correctly.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ghati and intellectual…Are you in senses?

    Anonymous Reply:

    A little curious – did you read my “moderate sparring” with Gopi on the topic where I suggested legal route as against Mafia tactic ?
    Baaki rehti hai baat arrogance – apna apna nazariya hai. Maybe your nazariya is selective too.

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    engrich Reply:

    what u do if somebody paint gurunanak in bad way.

    hindu painting and temples are full of naked poses.both religions are diamatrically different.but being sikh u have no mind so u always talk nosense.moreover these notorous bloody zoinists did this to create mayhem in the world.scavandians hate jews and isreal.their export is usually consumed by muslim countries.this was their revenge.like brhmnsts these zoinists are notorious people.

    hussain has done nothing wrong as this painting is repeatedly made by hindu painters since centuries.super patriot fascist use this opportunity to hurt india.openness and nakedness is not sin in hindu
    culture or religion.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Thank you balwinder/ Ill try to avoid Pink chaddi stuff/

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    engrich Reply:

    u talk according race and religion of man.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi,
    “Where as in Hinduism, pictures of Gods can be bought from pavement vendors. ”

    Nude Gods, Ravi ? I stand by with the protest. Ours is a democracy. But not on violent protests. Anyway, we have been here before. So, will not discuss it further as it would just be a repetition.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    Yes in Karol Bagh one can buy POSTERS of Hindu Godesses in a variety of poses and some semi-nude on the pavements.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Friends,

    Let us understand certain basic things very clearly.

    So called Hindu Fundamentalism is only a mild reaction to Islamic philosphy in action. It has no basis of its own. I have never heard any Hindu giving scriptural reference for his intolerant views on religious subject . It always boils down to , Since Muslims do not allow so and so, so we also should not allow it. Left to themselves , they would not object to Hussain paintings. That is how it was not objected for so many years.

    On the other hand , Muslim intolerance draws its inspiration from Quran and Hadith. Every Terrorist is able to refer quran for his brutal action. So was the case with all Brutal Muslim Invaders from Mahmud Ghazni to Taimur and there after. All of them , I repeat all of them ,have very clearly referred Quran and Hadith as inspiration for their brutality. And as we know, the bones, flesh and Soul of Islam is Quran and Hadith. So let us come to the basic question, should Quran and Hadith be allowed to go scot free given that billions of people have suffered and are still suffering due to this cult philosphy . Why should we respect Islamic traditions when they have brought so much of havoc to world. It is like having sympathy with Hitlers philosophy and respecting traditions of Third Reich.

    Let us not be try to be politically correct and in actual behave like Stupids.I have my total sympathy for Muslims.So many Muslims who contribute on this blog are nice and sensible people . I do not want to hurt them. But not speaking clearly is more unjust. TPoor Muslim Brothers and Sisters are trapped in world’s biggest and longest lasing crude Cult Philosophy. If only my ancestors had not somehow evaded becoming Muslim , I also would have been behaving like them. So , let us not hate Muslims (including Engrich), it could have happened to us also. We have to draw them out of this as our brothers and sisters.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    You are absolutely right in pointing out that they way Islam has evolved (yes evolved) is due to its theological basis.

    This very theological basis of Quran is not only discussed between the Islamic Schools of Jurisprudence but also in Open Forums where non Muslim philosophers are invited and listened to.

    All of this is lost because – as is the intention – the world has started to view Islam from the POV of LITERALLISTS. They have been in the main body of Muslims since its inception, but have re-asserted themselves more recently. We have also had other types of Muslims, such as Sufi’s which influenced my own religion.

    For world to move on and to accept Islam and give it the respectability it craves, is to dis-regard the literalist and focus on the Sufi’s. Sadly, the large benefactor of the literalists – Saudi Arabia – not only has deep pockets but also power to influence.

    Saudi Arabia is changing and will change more but at its own speed.

    Meanwhile W E (note Ishwar, Balwinder, Mask Slipping) can do little more than exercise vigilance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I didn’t note!!

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Absolultrely right Aaloke !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    “So called Hindu Fundamentalism is only a mild reaction to Islamic philosphy in action”

    Are you justifying the reaction (mild or otherwise)?

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    engrich Reply:

    hindu fundamentalist are local agents of international fascism.

    forgiveness is the supreme virtue of islam.they use islam as pretext to propagate fascism.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    I on my part would be totally comfortable with Hussain’s paintings. Not that I like them, but it does not bother me . My understanding of Indian traditions is much deeper. However , a society has its own ways to react, good or bad. Yes, the bad part should be avoided as much as possible, but it does need understanding of genuine causes also.

    This Slogan of all religions preach peace and all religions are similar is one of the most stupid slogan.All Religions are not same and all do not preach peace.We do need comparative religious study in more open and frank way. Let us not hide behind respect and sensibilities. We had a strong tradition of Shastrarth where anything on the subject could be discussed in an organised way. We need to start that once again.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    I am not still not sure whether my query has been answered. Never mind.

    If one has to justify any wrong doing, one can find 101 excuses (outlandish or otherwise). In this case, purely going by your statement – it looks like if someone behaves like an idiot, then the other must act like one. Doesn’t it speak volumes about the “reactionaries’?

    IMO, this targeting of M F Hussain had nothing to do with Islamic philosophy. During the RSS/BJP’ heydays (1996-2004) and this was not an isolated case, a whole range of targets (Islamic and Christianity mostly) were chosen. Bigotry and intolerance, by the Hindiutvawadis and their ilk, was the flavour of the season.

    Ravi Reply:

    Absolutely correct

    engrich Reply:

    u are right aaloke hinduism is the only religion which preaches that man is born uneven.

    except u all religions especially islam christianity and buhdhdism are almost same.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Agree with you. The problem is that whole world now know that they will
    react violently if anything is published in a way which they do not approve of.
    Danish cartoonists and that crazy pastor in USA who burnt the Quran, they
    knew what they were doing and also knew the reaction their action will get.
    Sadly, extreme fundamentalists in Islam obliged them with the violent reaction.
    Best way to handle this is to just ignore.

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    engrich Reply:

    if any muslim burns vedas how brhmns will react.this is a game.to provocate muslims and incite the world.typical zoinist game.brhmnsts in india copy this.

    rss is local frenchize of international zoinizm.

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  • Anonymous

    @Balwinder,
    Thanks for your welcome note. I have visited this blog several times in the gap, but have controlled my itch to reply.

    Few clarifications: Me getting irritated by Ravi – No. I usually don’t get irritated. In fact, I have thanked him. He made me look back towards my culture, about which I had hardly bothered before. But yes, I have had disagreement with his opinions. I will continue to have, which is a different issue.

    Now bringing in the topic of Hussein’s paintings. I feel, it was not necessary. Most of the people are rewinding the same tape.

    I have said earlier, in this virtual environment it is better if people discuss about opinions of an individual rather than identity of him.

    I have also read, you and Dr. Mishra suggesting Ravi hounded Rizwan out of the blog and he is trying to do the same with another guy Pervez. Whatever I have witnessed, they are discussing, agreeing and disagreeing with some. I do not know what is the basis for your inference. Or may be, I have not read all the exchanges between them. But in the case of Rizwan, my answer is definite NO. In fact, I remember you challenging Rizwan’s patriotism (in Zia’s blog) just because he was not arguing with Ravi. He said he was hurt by your allegation and just to score some points from you, he argued. The person who kept bringing in circumcision and pulling Rizwan down as living on father’s money was NOT Ravi. I am not bothered whom this post will favour. I am just saying the plane truth.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan was abused by Ravi’s protector Shan not Balwinder.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am aware of that. I didn’t bring Shan’s name; he was not in question. I just asked Balwinder/Mishra to stop blame game unnecessarily. As for Ravi being protector of Shan, you very well know how they used to like each other at that time.

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    engrich Reply:

    mishrajee is not involve in blame game.praaji is fatherly figure.so we should tolerate him.i think rizwan has left volantarily.ye site retired logon kee jagah hai.

    rahno ko ghar nahi hai sara jahan hamara.for rizwan this is time to work and attain knoledge.

  • Anonymous

    @Mahesh,

    Whom you want to speak or ignore is entirely your choice.

    I suppose, you would have noticed this post from Engrich “danish cartoon was made by a notorious Jew to hurt that country as Norway hate Israel and Jews both” ..Engrich anyway keeps posting such pearls which many bloggers here ignore. But in between, he suddenly utters something from his heart which touches, even if it is his frustration. I don’t think you have ever called him with any name, which is fine.

    Now your words to Shenoy:

    “Is this your *contribution* ?” (In the discussion of M.F Hussein)

    “It is never too late to stop arguing with fools ..”
    … Is it a bias, or you really feel others intellectual ability is lower than you? It would not have mattered if Ravi had said it; there is point scoring game going on at personal level between the two.

    Mahesh, Is that you? May be you have grown too big that I can’t recognise you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,
    Thanks for the nice words of moderation.
    Especially these ….
    “Mahesh, Is that you? May be you have grown too big that I can’t recognise you. ”
    To the topic you pointed out while you are not demanding an explanation – let me still explain.
    I tend to ignore voices (whichever colour they don) whenever they resort to abuse. However, at the same time, I find it a wastage of discussion subjecting same person to abuse on the basis of past postings. That explains my posting to Shenoy – questioning his contribution. Plus their is a problem of frequent labeling and ganging too which at times crosses the threshold of irritation.
    That said – thanks again for bringing in the moderation.
    Nice to see you back . Stay well and do visit here frequently.
    p.s. : A little curious, what did you mean by “grown too big” ? In my professional life that hasn’t happened much. In personal life – just added a bit of chonology , just about the same amount you added. :-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was speaking about your brain :-) I understand if you feel irritated. But while taking out frustration one needs to be cautious, it is not misread as arrogance. Thanks for taking it in the right spirit.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Ravi,

    So called Wahabi Islam is closest to what can be called real Islam. In science, when we have to understand character of a particular phenomenon, do understand it properly, we try to plot as many points as possible so that we can arrive at a clearer picture. Same procedure can be adopted to many social things as well.

    Like if we have to understand what is real Islam, we should plot our graph taking into consideration
    #What is written in Quran.
    #What is mentioned in Hadths.
    #What inter references are between Quranic verses and Hadith.
    #How has this concept been used during Mohammed’s time and during first four Caliphs time.
    #How this concept has been used during various invasions of Muslims from Spain to Indonesia, From North Africa to Central Asia.
    # How this concept has been used from time of Mohammed to now, including in recent ethnic cleansing of Kashmir.

    So you take the widest range of plot points. Unfortunately we arrive at a fairly clear picture that Wahabis are closest to Islam. They are and were always very widely respected in Islamic world and not only because of recent Petro dollars. This respect was there even before last 100 years when there were no petro dollars. Petro dollars may only have made situation more acute .

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    engrich Reply:

    So called Wahabi Islam is closest to what can be called real Islam

    this cult was created zoinists like rss in india.it has nothing to do with islam.thiscult was created by britishers in 19thcentury.when oil was discovered.aim was to kick turk out of arab pennisula.

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    engrich Reply:

    How this concept has been used from time of Mohammed to now, including in recent ethnic cleansing of Kashmir.

    muslims never ask any nonmuslim to leave.hindus were removed by fascist jagmohan to save them from non stop curfew.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistan dish out the same bull about Jagmohan..typical muslim..always lie..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wahabism is Fascism of mid-east.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Not whole Mid-East. Whole Dubai was in celebration mood on 31st.
    More than 100,000 people gathered around Burj Khalifa –the tallest
    tower in the world — to watch the fireworks. What a splendid
    show it was . And what happens in Saudi Arabia — A person was
    arrested for carrying balloons, which was assumed that he will use
    these balloons to celebrate New Year.
    New year celebrations are banned in Saudi.

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    engrich Reply:

    wahabism is restricted to saudia.europeans created it to finish
    islam.like rss was created to finish hinduism.but even in saudia all races including hindus feel more safe and satisfied than delhi.

    engrich Reply:

    holy in saudia is celeberated with full fervor.this i know.before law everybody is same.this is the only country in me which allows porn films in their 5 star hotels.

    engrich Reply:

    u are right.this was created to help imperialism like rss(sleeping cells of international zoinism)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Firstly Wahbism only started in the 18th Century, so it is less than 300 years old.

    The present crisis is caused by Saudi Wahabism which is a unique alliance between money and mullah. This is more to do with the fascist politics of the house of Saud than it is to do with Islam.

    Surely it is not news to any one that Islam was violent from its inception and has spread through the use of sword.

    So if any discussion that needs to be had must be on general religious violence and how religions have expanded themselves. For example:

    Islam via the use of sword and

    Hinduism, through absorption.

    If we have to talk about ethnic cleansing then it must include the ethnic cleansing carried out by other religions as well.

    If we did’nt do that then not only the discussion will be one sided it will also regress into and exercise in Islamophobia

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Wahabism was and will always be respected because the most sacred places
    of Islam are in Mecca and Madina in Saudi Arabia. Petrol Dollars have
    helped them to spread their style of Islam all over the world.

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    engrich Reply:

    their style of Islam all over the world

    with zoinist media.wife of abdul wahab al najdi was english woman,agent of mi16.

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    engrich Reply:

    How this concept has been used during various invasions of Muslims from Spain to Indonesia, From North Africa to Central Asia

    those days there was no wahabism.indonesia was never attacked.common people converted after listening about islam through missionaries.attack on india and spain was the work of few with imperialistic ambitions,otherwise both these countries,would have been totally muslim.

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    engrich Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Even Swami Vivekananda said “Islam was a great blessing and liberated the oppressed”. Upper castes partitioned Bengal. Gandhi was a cunning fox” and “a Hindu revivalist.

    u people always critisize others.ur vedas are full of abuses against local indians.india was ruled by muslims but indians were ruled by brhmns.u people sucked every drop of blood from veins of indian poors.abusing others is divertory tactics.

    This is the tragic, blood-curdling history of Hindu India. This history has been repeating — endlessly centuries after century.
    If any good-hearted, far-sighted, impartial, noble historian were to come in future, she or he can write the sordid, atrophied, violent, criminal past of India only in letters of blood.

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  • Pankaj#1

    So again M.F. Hussain issue has surfaced. Reminded me of Hussain painting Indira as Durga and few years later, showing Durga with a tiger in …. Achha badla diya state patronage ka.

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  • Anonymous

    Fight gets worse, Congress calls Trinamool stooge of BJP

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/WestBengal/Fight-gets-worse-Congress-calls-Trinamool-stooge-of-BJP/Article1-791082.aspx

    ————–

    Looks like it is the beginning of ‘Mamta, bye,bye’ and General Elections around the corner, unless the Congress gets the SP on its side. One bad apple being replaced by another bad one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    General elections around the corner ? Only if congress does very well in
    coming elections. Otherwise they will again start doing kuchi muchi
    with Mamta.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Until 2014 or whenever the General Elections are held, if SP comes on board, then Mamta will know which side of the bread is buttered and will fall in line. What she is displaying now is her arrogance and crowning herself as the third empress, after M and J.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Congress should dig out some stink against Mamata and unleash CBI on her. This is the only way to save democracy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It looks like Congress is looking for new Stooge in SP. I guess CBI can negotiate on Congress’s behalf.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Look at the panic reaction of the congressi troll!

    We want general elections only in 2014, by which time the congress would be left with only two leaders, Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Baba and no followers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Three leaders will be left. Digvijay Singh will be always with
    them .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    My addition to Queensberry rules.

    1) Never underestimate your opponents strength and guile.

    2) Never overestimate your own strength and guile.

    ————–

    These rules were not respected in 2004 ans 2009. Two lessons should be enough.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree with both the rules..but for Congressis there is 3rd rule
    3) Always consider Nehru-Gandhis your masters and be always be a loyal slave without brain and backbone.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope BJP does not take Mamta in their alliance, although it will guarantee them Loksabha majority (assuming mamta can retain all her seats; which is a big if).

    I am sure they can find a way for majority without Mamta – But their UP moves portray them as one who is even more clueless than Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who knows what these politicians will do grab power? In today’s environment anything is possible.

    The latest news is that the BJP has suspended a leader for criticising Kushwaha’s induction.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/UP-BJP-suspends-leader-for-criticising-Kushwahas-induction/articleshow/11366498.cms

    “The state leadership of BJP has decided to deal resentment in the party against induction of expelled BSP leader Babu Singh Kushwaha with iron hand”. ………..

    Sad to say much to the chagrin of some here, they were clueless in 2009 too.

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  • Anonymous

    Let me use a little imagination here. Indira Gandhi was hailed as Durga after 1971 victory. According to me she rode on a tiger called Gen.Maneckshaw.

    Now can any muslims artist (sadly MFH is rotting in his grave) take the liberty and paint Indira Gandhi copulating with General? Let us see how Congress especially fascist Sonia treats that artist and his/her artistic freedom.

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  • Anonymous

    Aaloke, Mohan, Rajeev,

    Saint Ravi says, “Surely it is not news to any one that Islam was violent from its inception and has spread through the use of sword”.

    How was it that when it came to India, it became so saintly and soaked in spirituality that millions of Hindus voluntarily adopted the new faith and became voluntary Muslims. which was why, we can believe engrich (I will not use the honorific word) says Aurangzeb was very pious, self-sacrificing, devout, kind and saintly,who took pity on the non-Muslim pagans and humbly requested them to pay zazia tax, for their own good.

    This kind of history being peddled by these two jihadis would put even the shameless JNU historians to shame.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    There is nothing called liberal muslim. This word itself is an oxymoron. You can not expect them to treat Hinduism on par with Islam. For them Islam is the supreme truth but all other religion are to be insulted.
    They have right to their view and we have ours. For us Islam is primitive religion with ZERO spirituality and 100% politics. It is not a religion but a personality cult on lines with Communism.
    There has been attempt to reform Islam by Sufis but they have been branded heretics by Wahabis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Indian custom officers of that time did not allow them to bring their swords with
    them . Without their weapon, they had no choice but to request hindus
    to convert and many hindus happily obliged.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Many Hindus that were OPPRESSED by their own religion found new found respect very attractive.

    It will do you good to consider the role of that Hinduism played in that conversion story.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But now same converted muslims are asking for reservation based on Caste..So what was the great benefit of converting to Islam?

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Here is a good start…

    History of Islam in India

    by Dr. Neria H. Hebbar

    Introduction

    ‘Islamization’ of India did not occur as a result of mass conversions. The process took several centuries. Though the province of Sindh was conquered in early 8th century it was not until the incursions of Mahmud of Ghazni and Muhammad of Ghor that serious settlement of the subcontinent with Muslims took place. Even then contrary to belief it was not the forced conversions that increased the number of Muslims in India. Of course, the unfair taxes called jizya of all non-Muslims had an effect. Many Hindus were forced to convert to Islam to escape from the punishing taxes. The invading sultans like Qutb ud-din Aibak and Ala-ud-din Khilji often offered clemency to the enemy after their defeat if they converted to Islam. Many of these local rulers switched back to Hinduism as soon as the sultans turned their backs and returned to Delhi. The major reason for mass settlement of India by Muslims was the invasion of Mongols into central Asia. Genghis Khan, his grandsons and later Timurlane wreaked havoc in the Central Asian countries causing migration of countless number of people seeking refuge in the relative safety of India.

    http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=776

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Different people have written different history of the same time.
    It is upto you what you want to believe. Most of the people
    do not read history with an open mind. The prejudice in our
    mind about certain events in hisotry takes over.
    According to a British historian, Bhagat Singh was a terrorist.
    Will any Indian historian believe and write such thing ?
    You belieive in a book writen by Ms.Nussbuam about RSS.
    Everyone will not believe her version of RSS.

    Ravi Reply:

    Fair enough

    But I have also read Sanjeev Kelkar’s version of the RSS.

    And frankly if there was a choice between SHENOY’s version of RSS and Martha’s. No Contest.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When there are many versions of historical events and eras, then one has to separate the wheat from the chaff (primarily a job of the historians) and not attempt to rewrite it as a fairy tale to suit one’s beliefs.

    No one has forced us to believe what a British historian has to say anything about Bhagat Singh, but one should be prepared to read him with an open mind and then decide for yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Islam came to the Malabar coast of kerala around the time of the prophet when Arab traders came over the Arabian sea for trading. Muslims, even today, are called “mappilai”, a term used for son-in-law.. The traders married and settled ..

    There are many mosques dating to 700

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Agreed, however not sure what was the point you were trying to make.

    Are you contradicting the above.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You surprise me. Should I look forward to more surprises in days to come?

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  • Anonymous

    Sonamkk wrote

    Gentlemen,

    In this discussion about mf Hussein which has been discussed umpteen times and fight between shnoy Moran and mahesh a nice post by Mohan on reservation was lost. Iexpected
    regulars like gopi manohar Shenoy Ravi vijay will give their interesting views but alas.
    Gentlemen will you please oblige. Thanks in advance.

    ————

    You have already seen the inane and also supposedly ‘interesting’ views by some.

    ————-

    This is in response to Mohan’s views.

    “Reservation should be only at the starting point. At primary level only.
    Education is very important and should be mandatory for everyone.
    At primary level government should ensure that children below BPL are admitted
    to the schools. This should not be based on caste or religion, but purely on economic reasons”.

    One push may not be enough. Perhaps, also at college level too.
    Yes, it should be based on economic criteria, this keeping the creamy layer.
    There is the Right To Education Act. The problems are as to how to implement them – is there sufficient infrastructure and man.woman power available, though it is early days,let us see how it works out.

    At the college level, perhaps there should be special foundation courses for them, something similar to what IITs do, then may be the level of mediocrity, which Mohan mentions would be reduced and eliminated.

    The immediate focus of the Government should be to set-up schools in rural and tribal areas.

    In Government jobs too, there should be reservations at the entry level only.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that there should be not be more than 50% reservations. In Tamil Nadu, the reservations in educational institutions is 69%, it has been challenged in the Supreme Court, which has still to find time to hear it and give a ruling.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi,

    “RSS social engineering project. This is to convert Hinduism from being a peaceful and pluralistic religion into an aggressive monotheistic one”

    Hinduism and monotheism; they are oxymoron. I remember one of our school teacher sarcastically commenting on the lines “hum sab ek hain”. He used to say “bus ek ek ek ek… hain”. In a place where Gowdas fight with Lingayats, Reddys with Naidus …… (list goes on) for power, Iyers compete with Iyengars to decide who amongst them are “pure”, if any organisation thinks of converting all of us into one monotheistic group, they must be day dreaming. Except once (Rathyatra), people here have never voted as “Hindus” and don’t consider will ever be. BJP does realise this, that is why it is slowly leaving its idealistic “Hindutva” policy and leaning more towards the realistic “caste banks”.

    RSS has 50,000 shakhas in India and you believe a good proportion of its members are extremists and are representatives of N R Godse. I am repeating whatever I had said before. If RSS was that extreme, then the millions of Swayamsevaks it has produced would not have let India as what it is today; pluralistic. I have said earlier, two generations have come out after India’s Independence. Today’s Congress (/Rahul Gandhi) cannot take credit for what Gandhi did or Patel did. Today’s RSS worker can take blame for Gujarat riots, or Hyderabad blast but not for Gandhi’s murder. Can you please elaborate more about the communal riots that have taken place post independence and pre rathyatra, which are “orchestraed by RSS” ? I am not saying they have not, just that I am not aware of. I said pre Rathyatra because, till then “only” RSS was present (This is the phase I was talking with Manohar, when BJP was called Brahmin/Baniya party). Now too many wings (some of course violent) have got attached to it and influencing it, BJP has expanded its base but everything is selling with RSS label.

    I know, your information about RSS is based on which book. Once you mentioned about a speech by Modi referring the same book. Do you remember how it turned out?

    If necessary, I will repeat my intro which I gave couple of years ago before you joined in. Born and brought up in a pucca RSS family where spelling Congress was a sin (Emergency days). Sang Namaste Sada Vatsale Matrubhume… Prabha Shaktiman Hindurashtraga bhuta … ending with Bharat Mata Ki Jai .. Dhwaja Pranam … Obviously did not understand much .. Everything in Sanskrit .. No regrets for singing .. no pride either, don’t know why .. Age has put a cynical coat on everything. Had endless hearing of discourses by a person called Vidyananda Shenoy on “Bharata Darshana” that whole cassette was by heart. How great Nalanda university was, even the door keepers used to be scholars etc.. got tired of leading this “ideal life” imposed by parents. Started bunking school on Independence and Republic days and to enjoy my holidays.

    Post Rathyatra, had no clue where RSS was heading. Left it. (Don’t think, it has any clue even now). It has mainly outsourced its responsibilities to VHP, Bhajrang Dal and politically to BJP. It surely has an identity crisis. Apart from giving some statements periodically, Nagpur chief does not do anything. When Lokayukta head Santosh Hegde was battling with Yeddy, I corresponded with IT wing of RSS as why RSS does not take a stand pro Santosh Hegde (who any way was a known right wing) against Yeddy. The answer surprised me, they wanted to know more about myself (Why? ) Then they described, how ABVP is always proactive against corruption etc. Why beating around the bush? Just a candle light procession from RSS swayam sevaks on Guru Purnima day against corruption in BJP government could have sent shock waves across the state. After doing nothing about it, they started conducting daily meeting in fields when Anna began to fast against UPA. These guys have totally lost it.

    But still I feel touchy, when people make fun of RSS. Why do you guys make fun of Cheddis? Don’t you guys wear Bermudas? :-) RSS mostly hold their shakhas on empty plots in a road, which they clean it by themselves. If there are 50000 shakhas, at least give credit to RSS for its contribution to Parthenium clearance. I do not consider RSS could be a threat to India just because of one thing. It is too difficult to lead that boring “idealistic life” in our youth, so people either quit or don’t take it too seriously, even if they attend. I know there are RSS shibirs in US too. I have wrote earlier, Bhagva Dwaj (Saffron colour) actually denotes sacrifice. Only thing which has been sacrificed in this case is the Indian passport. I cannot say same thing about VHP or Bhajrangdal. I have never been to them. Consider them violent. But because of identity crisis in RSS, everything gets merged.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great reading.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,
    Thanks for describing RSS to us. This is the first time I am reading a former RSS swyam-sevak.

    I can not expect such honesty from corrupt Congressis.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    Many thanks and your detailed post merits considered response and I hope to do it justice.

    Hinduism and monotheism…. I agree with the point you are trying to make. However misguided the project on homogenising the diversity of Hinduism into an Abrahamic look alike religion (one with clear identity which can then be manipulated) is what the Hedgewar and Golimarkar ambition was. This still continues to be the reason for RSS’s existence.
    My knowledge about the RSS is based upon:

    1. The Clash Within – Prof Martha Nussbaum
    2. Lost Years of the RSS – Sanjeev Kelkar
    3. A year as Swyam Sevak in the Ajmal Khan Park Shakha.

    The trend to push the ancient Veda’s into the background and give prominence to Ramayana and Mahabharata are carefully planned tactics to coalesce the diverse Hindu population into something resembling other major religions. This is so they can be manipulated into a Hindu Fascist regime sometime in the future. This is my firm believe and othering of minorities, chiefly the Muslims is a part and parcel of this project.

    RSS has 50,000 shakhas…. The maths is true and the narrative not. Not even jokingly have I ever suggested that all Swyamsevaks are crypto fascist any more than all Girl Guides are goody two shoes and all Maddrassa goers are potential Taliban’s. However, if a Hindu Fanatic of the N. R. Godse kind, and the Singing Nun of the Sound of Music, or the Killer of Taseer – Mumtaz Qadri are to be developed then the three institution mentioned above provide perfect training grounds.

    If millions of swyamsevaks are not Hindu Fundos, then neither are millions of Madrassa goers Talibani.

    Today’s Congress…. I disagree with you. The credit for history of the Congress belongs to the institution itself and not the individuals that made it, both historic and contemporary. Whilst organisations evolve, their long term institutional memory, reputation, ethos continues as an unbroken influence on its members. Likewise, present day RSS’s members cannot divorce themselves from its history, reason for its foundation, etc. Brand values are an extremely durable reality.

    Riots are a tactic and often communal riots often have secular motives mixed in with them. I highly recommend that you read Martha Nussbaum on this (She also delivered a lecture the one you refer to). RSS uses Riots to give the Hindu polity a sense of insecurity with the result of nudging them towards right. If Muslims are a vote bank for Congress then the RSS delivers a Hindu Right vote bank to the BJP.

    If necessary… I had similar experience but less intense and 40 yrs in the UK has added a different perspective. Contrary to what my distractors here say, I am extremely proud Indian, but that does not mean that I am not aware of dis-agreeable elements of Hindu culture and Indian society. This has directly led me to be called many names and given a permanent residence in Muridke.

    But still…. The essential philosophy of the RSS is based upon Italian Fascism (how ironic) so is the uniform of Khaki Nikkar, White shirt and Black topi. The uniform is the external manifestation of this largely discredited and grossly unsuitable political ideology. Bermuda’s are worn voluntarily and not as a part of any uniform, the signify nothing. That cannot be said of the Chaddi. The fact that RSS does good work in the community is not deniable. However, the same can be said of LeT. It is not the work such organisations do, it is motives behind such work that matters. LeT recruits mujahidin’s to attack India. I believe that RSS is a grave danger to India. Where we differ is as to what either of us thinks is India. What Bhagwa signies and what it is used for are two different things. It has been hijacked and converted into a political icon, just as green has become associated with Islam, and political Islam particularly. All Sangh organisations share a common ideology.

    RSS from its early days developed a strategy of distancing itself from chosen individuals and organisations, which it intends to use for controversial and often illegal work. This it does in order to protect itself and sacrifice the individual or a subsidiary organisation. N.R. Godse and Hindu Maha Sabha are but two examples. The popular question RSS members ask is why are there no cases against it. Indeed why not. Just like the Mafia Don does not get his hands dirty, neither does the RSS. Despite running illegal and evil business empire for decades Al Capone was finally caught for Tax evasion and not for moonshining.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist gives his own spin on everything…Most of the terrorists have come out of Madrasas..This is undeniable fact.

    RSS even in its worst form is better than the moderate muslim societies that suffocate non-muslims.

    But being a Islamic terrorist, you see all milk and honey in primitive Islam.

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    engrich Reply:

    muslim societies that suffocate non-muslims.

    give the name of one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistan, BD, SAUDI and remaining 54 muslim countries.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Also great reading.

    Ravi & Aaloke

    The fact that the RSS has not succeeded in its goal of establishing a theocratic Hindu Rashtra speaks volumes about the rest of citizenry of this country in rejecting this idea, though they have not given up the goal as yet and will not – abandoning the idea may dry up the funds.I believe they thought that they were in the fast lane during 1996-2004, having set the ball rolling in 1989/90 by that rath yatra.

    I had asked Mohan the question a day earlier, but got no reply.
    RSS professes to be a cultural organisation (it is anything but not that only) and yet it has a political outfit – the BJP. Why?

    Normally, in an organisation the hard-liners and the moderates are supposed to be on the opposite side of the fence. Not so in the RSS, the ‘moderates’ are there to a form a ring around the hardliners to camouflage its real intent. The VHP/BD and god alone alone knows how many more are the hard liners and the perhaps the BJP and the likes form the outer ring. Community service though laudable is another camouflage to give itself respectively and perhaps more recruits. Suspicions are constantly raised because of the extreme secretiveness of its workings. No one knows what goes behind doors.

    Regarding rioting. The RSS has been censured for its involvement in communal riots in at least six reports by judges who presided over commissions of inquiry:

    – Jaganmohan Reddy report on the Ahmedabad riots 1969
    – D.P. Madon report on the Bhiwandi riots in 1970
    – Vithayathil report on the Tellicherry riots in 1971
    – Jitendra Narayan report on the Jamshedpur riots in 1979
    – P. Venugopal report on the Kanyakumari riots of 1982
    – report on the Bhagalpur riots in 1989

    and add Gujarat 2002 and the Kandhamal 2008 to that.

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    engrich Reply:

    not succeeded in its goal of establishing a theocratic Hindu Rashtra

    they want fascist state not hindu state.savarkar was godless.he never called himself a hindu.he only planned a road map of intercommunity war in india,

    brhmnsts and zoinists are satanic cousins,

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have read the Jagan Mohan Reddy report.

    The riots were instigated by the Muslims. Re-read to find out how. And finally the report concludes: “The evidence relating to participation of some of the workers of these parties or organisations is not by itself sufficient to justify the inference of the participation of the aforesaid parties as all-India parties or organisations”. So, what’s your point?

    I still maintain that I won’t be the first one to offend you (Muslims) but you won’t decide the degree of my reaction against any provocation from your side.

    I’ll go through the others and respond.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Frankly, It is not possible to go through each of the reports running into thousands of pages.I got the list from a source. It is possible that in this one particular case, RSS may not have been involved.

    I must ‘congratulate’ you for joining the label fabrication factory. Would we see more labels from you being plastered on people, who do not agree with you and share your world view?

    There are no sides as far as I am concerned, if you wish to play sides, be my guest.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    you have given the correct position about RSS being involved in the riots.

    The congressi troll has falsely quoted this particular report to bolster his pseudo case.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi

    I think u have written nonesense. Seems u have been brainwashed by pig **** engrich.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Your list of comparing RSS with other outfits is increasing. Now it is mafia.
    Cannot believe this. How can anyone live with so much hatred. Sorry to
    Say but you must be a very lonely person.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I rather be alone than to be with psychophants like you

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    He is not a loner but is in company of Islamic terrorists.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BS.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Explained in a nice way. A great read. Tks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    all this long “explanation” about why you came out of the RSS was a waste.

    See the jihadi fundoo’s response to your self-criticism.

    Question is why do you indulge in this self flagellation?

    “Why do you guys make fun of Cheddis?” -this is bleating about the bush.

    Why are you worried that the Islamic fundoos and their congress backers hate cheddies?

    Has it made any difference?

    “I do not consider RSS could be a threat to India just because of one thing”.

    Why don’t you, even as an ex-RSS, say boldly that far from being a threat to the country, RSS is a great nation-building asset? Of whom are you scared?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Shenoy,

    I have read Ravi’s response. It needs a lengthy reply. I would need time, but will definitely reply him back.

    Shenoyji, I used to work in basic Science, later shifted to applied Science. I know, even while doing Science how half truths can be told. If all the results are not exactly fitting your theory, then present only those results which fit in your model. When Science can tell half truth, how much can I expect from historians? Today, unfortunately the truth I seek is split between left and right. But will assure you whatever I find as truth, I am not scared to speak about it.

    I have read first two reports from Manohar’s (Wikipedia) list. In the first case, RSS is not much of a mention. Second one, definitely sounds. If the truth goes with my belief, I would come back to declare. If it goes against my belief, I won’t hesitate to apologise. Shenoyji, I am what I am. I respect you for what you are. But dare I say; You were at your best when you did not bother about others and were writing mainly about Congress and not Congressis. We used to love the jugalbandi of you and Sharma. But things changed when Ravi and RamAvatar entered. Initially the continuous cut and paste articles on Hinduism by RamAvatar made everyone mad. He was banned for a while and came back. Most of the people moved on and got back to themselves. But you just could not get over him or Ravi. I feel, it is still affecting your posts. I know Ravi’s comparison of RSS to LeT makes one angry. But calling him Jihadi will not spell out the differences between the two. You could have helped me in detailing the differences. But if you choose the other way, I am okay with it too.

    Lastly my name is not Vinay, but this is how I call myself in the blog. You addressed me this way. Thank you. The Jihadi fundoo too calls himself with a name in this blog. Why can’t you address him with that name for a change? If not, just ignore him. Be a moderator to young boys who sometime use foul language, when they loose temper. If you feel I am too preachy, then let me apologise. That was not the intention. Please ignore this as a bull shit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Eagerly waiting to read your reply to Ravi. I hope it will come soon.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good post.

    Is somebody listening though? Does not look like.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    I have read this post and I myself told Shenoy, as much.

    I also feel that I beileve that he may have heard you. He has not addressed me at all and therefore no Jihadi label has appeared.

    Vinay, about your last para.

    I will not decieve you, I swear on my dead mother’s honour, I am Ravi, and I am a mona sikh who has lived in the UK for nearly 4 decades.

  • Anonymous

    Many muslims are now asking reservation on Caste which means that casteless Islam has failed them and disappointed them in great way. They converted to Islam to get rid of casteism but that didn’t happen. Now they can abandon Islam and come back to hindu fold and avail reservation. Same goes for christians too.

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  • Anonymous

    What is common between Islam and Congress?
    1. Both have double standards on every issue.
    2. Lies are used to justify action.
    3. Both profess slave attitude and total loyality to Prophet/Madam.
    4. Both use violence to achieve goals.
    5. Both justify moral and financial corruption.
    6. Both claim to respect the book Quran/Contitution but manipulate it for their own benefit.
    7. A non-muslim converting to Islam turns pious overnight and someone joining Congress becomes secular.
    8. Both are anti-national in character.

    What is common between Hinduism and BJP?
    1. Both are divided houses.
    2. Both have multiples gods/Netas.
    3. Both believe in caste system.
    4. Both try to change but are beaten black and blue by prejudiced opponents.
    5. Both are full of Jaichands.
    6. Both are geographically limited.
    7. Both are bad at developing good PR.
    8. Both are fake-nationals always selling nation for benefit.

    Unfortunately Hinduism/Islam and Congress/BJP dangerous to humanity and India respectively but options are even worse. Out of Hinduism and Islam, Hinduism has enough flexibility to change and thus is better option.

    Out of Congress and BJP, Congress is expert in looting nation whereas BJP is just learning the ropes so I think BJP is better but will catch with congress very fast.

    At the end of the day we have horrible choices all over.

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    engrich Reply:

    what an idiotic comparison.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    truth hurts…

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Bhaag DK B ose bhaag . Ravi ki bahooyein mein bhaaag , Bhaag DK engrich bhaagl.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Congress is a pimp which needs Bhaag Dk Bose Engrich type of dullards to win elections

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  • Anonymous

    A lot about history/revisionism/chicken-egg……

    There was a news yesterday that LeT is training Muslim women terrorists to infiltrate and bomb in India.

    Our government, for fear of alienating or for want of votes, has not been aggressive in tackling Islamic terrorism (I am sure many will talk about RSS terrorism now). This fear (or appeasement) will create violence here like what is happening in Pakistan.

    While prevention is difficult, our govt has been hopeless in capturing the perpetrators..Mumbai jewellery dist, Delhi high court, and many other attacks remain unsolved.

    The government that denied Baba Ramdev a forum in RamLila Maidan did not have any issue with E Abobacker, the firebrand ex NDF/SIMI Muslim radical (and the current president of PFI, the reincarnation of SIMI) to extort his followers at RamLila Maidan that “we can see Delhi now; we will take over and restore our old glory”

    And btw the government that wanted to award MF Hussain “Raja Ravi Varma” award
    declared that the Khilafet related Mopplah (Muslim) rebellion in which thousands of Hindu women were raped, converted, with places of worship destroyed, was just an agrarian revolution of the landless Muslims against the landholding caste Hindus.

    Such is the interpretation of history.

    See how the Congress govt lawyers saved Ramasimhan murderers – Ramasimhan and his brother were converts back to Hinduism (his family converted to Muslim during the moplaa rebellion) — Muslims decided one conversion back will be an opening up of the flood gates.. google Ramasimhan acse

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    Coward and short sighted Indian government is pimp, who is selling the country for pecuniary benefits.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Visiting Batala house, as a shrine, was established by Digvijay and SP.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    U R right sir. In jammu, at least 100000 Hindus and sikhs have been killed.

    All in the name of Islam. Who is going to avenge this?

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    engrich Reply:

    u are liar.tell me when and where.

    on 6th november 1947 250000 muslims were mascared by gyndaas of rss and army of raja,

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Bhaag Dk Bose bhaag. Bhaag Enfgrich dk bose Engirch dullard DK bose bhaag

    engrich Reply:

    give awnser

    Anonymous Reply:

    white lie. The muslims killed 1 million hindu-sikhs in 47 an then 2 million hindus in 71.

    engrich Reply:

    in due course there will be shrine.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I will send a pig to piss there

    Anonymous Reply:

    In due course, Mecca will be turned into pigsty.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    Calling Moplah riots as rebellion is shameless and cowardly act. Even MK Gandhi was so disturbed because of this riots that he called Hindus cowards and muslims bullies.

    Islamic violence should be countered with double violence as US has shown. The muslims have false sense of victory after looking close to 300000 muslims to US bombing.

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    engrich Reply:

    bullshit

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    If the world is smart and intelligent then only will it save itself from intorence and fanatic islam. Gopi be truthful Are hyou not afraid that Ravi clones and Engrich dk Bose will engulf Keral? While Manohar will clap all the time?

    I think all this intolernace of fnatic Osama type of Islam needs shock therapy. This apostasy needs prison and death sentences from liberal societies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Even after all these events, there are people who believe in secularism of
    Congress. Very sad indeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh is the prime example of secularism going berserk, making defence of terrorists and jihad the centre piece of their pseudo culture.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    We spar again !!!
    As a starter – please choose to publish the link for news item that you cite.
    Secondly, your argument about government not going tough on Islamic terror co-relating it with Vote Bank actually runs foul on facts as I experience anecdotally and discuss with some of my close friends working with “state apparatus”.
    Actually, their observation (as far as Mumbai area is concerned) is 92/93 riots were a big (in fact really big) setback for the Mumbai Intel community in terms of information gathering. The recovery has fallen through only recently. Secondly, the community has been rather forthcoming in terms of reporting “outsiders” moving in to the established packets of settlement (actually , several have been “false alarms” – most of them traced to UP migrants looking for jobs here with a micro minority of them affording to buy a license).
    So, my question to you is this – how much of the anecdotes that you quote here are applicable to your own state of kerala ? And , further more, what is your basis of extrapolating them to whole of India ?
    You may well be correct, but then what you say runs against my own anecdotal observations – so what gives ?
    Could we arrive at some way of quantifying the anecdotes ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A bit of correction here….
    ” Secondly, the community has been rather forthcoming in terms of reporting “outsiders” moving in to the established packets of settlement (actually , several have been “false alarms” – most of them traced to UP migrants looking for jobs here with a micro minority of them affording to buy a license). ”
    The community referred to here is the Muslim community – mostly relating to the packets of settlements.
    “affording to buy a license” refers to the Rickshaw license.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ghati,
    Did you participate in 93 riots on behalf of Raj Thackrey?

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  • Anonymous

    Hindu-Sikh-Mona Sikh Ravi has more knowledge about Islam and muslim society than Sikhism. He gets very angry when muslims are killed in riots like 2002 but for 1984 riots, he has no sympathy for fellow sikhs. He gets charged up when truth about Mohammad is told but doesn’t show same kind of reverence for Sikh Gurus.

    Yahan to Ketlee Chai se Zyaada garam hai.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    You hit the nail on head. I find some people here who get more incensed with RSS and BJP than LeT, JeM etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    This happens because we let it happen. Such fake should be marginalised and thrown out but Jaichands like Manohar/Prahalad and now Ghati mumbaikar consider Congress interests over Indian interest. This is the reason every anti-national finds refuge in Congress.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    I want to convert muslims women from Islam to Judaism and christianity to free them from torture and an unfair religion.

    @ All the oporessors of women like Ravi, Engrich and Manohar

    You guys do not have tears for one half of humanity that is women. Why dont yhou want to convert Muslim women who are sujugated to third class lives in burqas and sharing the husband with 5 other women ?

    Why dont you talk about converting this oprressed 50% of humanity in MUslim countries . Let us give 50 reservation for women in Pakistan, iran, Saudi Arabia.

    But you cowards and duffers will be scared of the fatwa weilding AK 47 holding Osamas to say anything.

    COWARDS KYA MOUTH KHOLNE KI HIMMAT HAI???

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    engrich Reply:

    in and around delhi 26000 women are burnt alive while 2 millions are raped yearly.billions were mascared in sati and nari prathas.
    have u ever heard anything like this.

    islam has liberated women through sharia.

    u help ur women.all ur treligious places are infested with brothels.triputi has biggest brothel of the world.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Tripoli has the bigges brothel and not tirupati. Your madrassa iow IQ teacher was stammerign and u heard wrongl !!!!

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    engrich Reply:

    tripoli has no brothel till ghaddafi.now i dont know.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In fact muslim men treat all muslim women as prostitute. Each female gets screwed by different males. Nikaah itself is not marriage but a sexual contract…what a sick way of treating women!!!

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    engrich Reply:

    . Each female gets screwed by different males

    this is tue for ur mother not muslim women.marriage is civil contract.both have right.
    in hinduism pati is devta.in geeta women is classified between shudra and chandal whose killing is not sin.

    engrich Reply:

    But you cowards and duffers will be scared of the fatwa weilding AK 47 holding

    fatwa is only advise cannot be enforce.u r a parrot of parivar..u all sing same song in the same rythm at the same time.u all are brainless creature on this earth.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Back from my scuba diving at Sharm el Sheikh- and then got an email from my old friend from AIIMS, Dr Rajesh Sharma, the famous cardiac surgeon from Bangalore who treats Pakistani children. A coincidence, he was also with his family doing a scuba diving holiday in Agatti island. Lakshadweep.
    What a small world. I myself must dive in India one day- and as I had said once- my first dive will be at Andaman so I can pay tribute by walking thru Veer Savarkar Airport, a tribute to that anguished patriot.

    But what do I see here- same old fights, same old entrenched positions. DID ANYONE EVEN SEE HUSSAIN’S CONTROVERSIAL PAINTINGS before mouthing off ?

    Manohar, I dont have problems with your RSS bashing- it is good to have an ankush in the best traditions of hindu society- but I can bet you have not seen the worst pics which even to a liberal like me were plain vulgar and offensive

    btw all, pl see my new avatar photo- if you click on it you can enlarge it- it is from the recent cral reef dive at Ras Um Sid

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    engrich Reply:

    savarkar was main suspect of ghandhi murder case.he was godless atheist,
    a fascist murder and british spy resposible for arrest of many sincere freedom fighter.a rascist cannot be called patriot.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    I was doing deep see diving, when this was just with Navy. Wish could join with you and your ideas. Commitments are not allowing me to make a drastic change to my comfortable life here. Wish could come back to India and start a whole new culture of going to sea.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ rAVI

    You are a dullard who has less brains than engrich. You are the dullard who writes long posts with no meaning. You should take training under engrich and improve your mind to be single engined and more clear in your jehadi intent. You are wastign space here. just say that you hate Hindus and India and get out from here.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shekhar;
    Way back in 80s, when I was visiting Pathankot, I saw about 25/30 Moslems, bearded ones, offering namaz in Railway station plateform. Is this the India our elders fought for? and made sacrifices??. these liberals are out and out selling this country to remain in power. I know liberalism and I am dead against fascists and orthodoxy, but what is happening is pure pandering of communalism and worst. You can see here right in this blog.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinay , Ravi,
    Please choose to continue your discussion on RSS.
    Wonderfully civilised discussion from politically adversarial positions.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is it worth it, considering the volume of abuse it has generated??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    why worry about the abuse ? why not focus on what vinay argues instead ?
    I am sure you can discern the wheat from chaff.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Yes we should discuss what Vinay has written. At least he had attended Shakhas in his early youth and left it because of boredom. He has not written anywhere that RSS is foisting a hindu rashtra on Indians. Given a choice between IM and RSS, I will embrace RSS anyday.

    Anonymous Reply:

    and Ravi and Congressis IM and LeT.

    engrich Reply:

    there are other choices as well.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Engrich;
    As we use to say, Tumahare chawal kache hain, tumhe seriously nahin liya jasakta. aur tum se jhagda bhi nahin kiya jasakta. bachon ko tarah de do.

    engrich Reply:

    u see the deeds of rss with ur own eyes.u support rss because u are brhmn.but believe tis is not good for u people and country.at the end u people will suffer like we suffered by supporting league

    soon they will have the end of ghaddafi or saddam.time is changing and it is not with them.their time has expired.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    How does one stop the intervening abusive posts (it does not bother me one bit though, as I and others are royally ignoring them) – don’t they have anything meaningful to add or to debate and refute the points (however disagreeable) being raised?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am at loss to know the way. We can only appeal to people. Really speaking, I would have left this blog some time back but for few bloggers. Any one using low language from any side of ideology divide should use only decent language. I will use your example, as you advised Engrich, to my friends, as and when they use such language.
    Friends:
    A couplet:
    Zafar aadmi us ko na jaaniye,
    Jise Aish main yaade khuda na rahe, aur taish main, Khof e khuda na rahe,. Please we are a family(Indians) and difference of opinion should not be cause of abuse. Abuse is weapon of weaks only.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kudos for your thoughts.

    The problem is that not everyone is as decent and cilvilised as you are.

    One can only request others to debate issues and not resort to abuse.

    I hope people on this blog take cognizance of your advice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What else were you expecting from the label fabricators? Just stand your ground.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ghati,
    Are you follower of Ghati Raj Thackrey?

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    engrich Reply:

    india is a hindu state not secular.congress is A team of brhmnst bjp is their B team.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Any comment for Engrich’ Observation?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Or Rajeev’s “ghati” observation?

  • Anonymous

    Vote lust makes BJP wobble on probity plank

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Vote-lust-makes-BJP-wobble-on-probity-plank/articleshow/11368738.cms

    ———-

    Excerpt

    Despite the outrage, the BJP brazenly defended Kushwaha’s entry into the party along with Badshah Singh – another ex-BSP leader sacked in a land allotment case – by fielding party MP Mukhtar Naqvi who indulged in political rabble rousing while addressing the media, attacked Rahul Gandhi in totally unrelated matters, but failed to explain why BJP has inducted a tainted leader. He, however, added that all those who join the party will not necessarily be given the party ticket in the polls.

    The unease in the BJP was apparent with senior leaders like Sushma Swaraj, M M Joshi and Advani questioning the decision at the meeting of the party’s central election committee. BJP president Nitin Gadkari is believed to have justified the decision on the ground that Kushwaha was not facing a “serious” charge like murder and that the corruption cases against him are yet to be proven.
    ———

    Good night.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP is finally learning secularism Congress style. Accepting corrupt, criminal, communal has been Congress tradition for years and now BJP is doing same. Indian polity is turning secular very fast.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-
    Not good.. They are panicking, without a strategy.Time to handover to Modi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Its early days. We have to wait and watch for shenanigans and stupidity of other parties too – Congress, SP and BSP. I am sure they are not going to ‘disappoint’ us.

    On the other hand, I hope that this brazen and desperate act by the BJP is a wake-up call for all of them and they would probably not field tainted people in the elections. Only hoping. A blessing in disguise, so to speak.

    What can one say about Nitin Gadkari – the chosen one. If you recall, Manohar Parrikar from Goa was also being considered for the top job. He probably lost out for calling L K Advani a rancid pickle (rightly or wrongly) – calling spade a spade! Who knows he may have been a better President of the party.

    May be you are right – when the party is bumbling along from one disaster to another – it is time to ring in drastic changes in its top leadership and its functioning, so let them take its chances and shift Modi to Delhi, of course its ally JD(U) will probably walk away. Let the BJP worry about itself first and then worry about its allies and others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    the good news- no, change it to best news- is that with all these so called “shananigans”, the next election will bring the BJP group back to power in Delhi.

    Indications are already there: Mamta tellingSonia/Pranab where to get off. Jayaalalitha telling her party that she will be part of the next government in Delhi.

    It would be an idiotic romantic who will back this rump called UPA now. As I said earlier, soon there will be only two leaders and no folllowers ( of course, the congressie troll on this blog will amke the solitary exception).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    Believe me, I want an alternative to Congress. They have screwed this country for long. I would rather have a principled, committed alternative. The way it is now, what is BJP? Especially after taking the two crooks – one possibly a murderer – in their ranks/leadership? They may be less corrupt, partly that is due to a lack of “opportunities”, not the result of a core conviction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    Will anybody want Mamta in their alliance? Wouldnt she be an albatross? Will she let BJP govt function?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not an albatross. She is an unbearable pain-in-the-axx.

    But, Sonia Gandhi has to bear the pain, in addition to the pain caused by her recent operation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, in principle, I agree with you, but in the true traditions of UP politics, it would be looking for the needle in a hay stack if you go about searching for an honest politician. In UP, it is the question of how many murders a politician has committed, rather than whether one is a murderer or not.

    Khushwaha in any other party would always be a politician, murderer and OBC leader. Therefore, relax, Gopi, and watch the fun.

    If you watch the media, the frenzy it is showing at the BJP’s action speaks volumes about the levels of panic it has created, because, in a carefully orchestrated media campaign, the BJP has been already consigned to the not-even-ran basket.

    Now, when there are renewed hopes for the party, the media is mighty worried. Nothing else can explain the foaming-at-the-mouth reactions of Arnab Goswami etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    They need someone to write a speech for them.
    Digvijay singh will do that job for them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is besides doing the odd jobs and running errands like attacking Chidambaram, ManmohanSingh, etc.

  • engrich

    rajeev the ollowing is awnser of ur previous blog,
    Expand . Each female gets screwed by different males

    this is tue for ur mother not for muslim women.marriage is civil contract.both have right.
    in hinduism pati is devta.in geeta women is classified between shudra and chandal whose killing is not sin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich

    I suggest that you temper your language in whatever you have to say.

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    engrich Reply:

    sorry this is in reply to a madman.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    BHaag DK Bose Bhaag Engrich Bhaag… apni useless thoughts se kewal Ravi ko impress kar. When are u comun to Jammu with Danish cartoons on ur chaddi … sorry undies?

    engrich Reply:

    barking like dog

    engrich Reply:

    Chris Hedges “Brace Yourself! The American Empire Is Over & The Descent Is Going To Be Horrifying!”

    on u tube .very interesting

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  • engrich

    gandotra now i understand why u are so stupid that u feel that sai baba ,the king of frauds,had gody powers,

    Why should a god have a wife? A man may enjoy with his wife for an hour or two. Even for this many need drugs and medicines to whip up their potentialities. But our Puranas say that our god had intercourse continuously for thousands of years. The Devas were witnessing this scene. They became afraid. They prayed to the god to stop. The god expressed his inability to stop. At last with great difficulty he stopped the intercourse. His semen gushed forth like a canal. The devas are said to have drunk Siva’s semen. Is it not so written in the Puranas? Is this the way to create a god? If the Brahmins had any respect for us and considered all of us as human beings, would they dare to record such absurd things in the Puranas? Are we devoid of common sense? No. He has the boldness to compel us to believe every thing he has written in the Puranas.
    Gods as murderers: God is described as the embodiment of love. But you find dreadful weapons in the hands of gods. Are gods murderers? Is there a single god that has not killed anyone? The Puranas are replete with umpteen instances to prove that gods killed so many. Are our gods butchers? How are we to be convinced of the statement that gods are kind?
    With all these baseless, senseless and idiotic puranas, they have succeeded in making our society static, reactionary and dumb. People have lost their sense of thinking.
    Hence no sensible man endowed with reason would consider it necessary to worship such gods or touch the feet of any Brahmin .

    gandotra now u understand why u are so stupid to consider money swindler as god.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Did MOhamad have a wife?

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    engrich Reply:

    he was a normal man not god.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But you treat him higher than God i.e. Allah..even Quran make Allah look like sidekick of Mohammad.

  • Anonymous

    Guys this blog should be named DIL TO BACCHA HAI JI. The sparring , the spats is so juvenile by people who probably have juvenile GRANDCHILDREN.
    However something bloggers will find interesting .
    Quote: A special reception was held in her honour and attended by the bigwigs when in 1882 Miss KADAMBINI BASU became the then british Empire’s FIRST LADY BA,
    WHEN EVEN WOMEN IN ENGLAND WERE BARRED FROM UNIVERSITIES”Unquote (Source Portrait of a Diector , by Marie seton) page 24
    @rajeevS , Misogyny was not exclusive to islam .

    INFACT EVERY DOG (read religion) has its day.
    To dismiss Islam on the basis of CURRENT VISIBLE MORONIC MUSLIMS , is an act of gigantic folly. Just read the book THE GRANDEUR THAT WAS ISLAM
    Anybody who was seen the architecture of SINAN in turkey , cannot help engulged by its spell. Or take AL HAMBRA in spain , or the GEOMETRIC IZNIC TILE WORK WHICH FOLLOWS DEFINITE ALGEBRIC LAWS.
    In fact if you read Homa Koutzian’s book THE PERSIANS , who will find the aristotalean logic used , which is in OPPOSITE POLARITY TO THE TEACHING OG GITA. In gita it says MAN IS JUST A PART OF GRAND DESIGN , ITS ALL PREDESTINED. the greek logic which early islamicscholars used , was as follows.
    If I have sex with mullah omar’s daughter , mullah should not say anything FOR I AM COMMANDED. Now if you accept that EVERY MAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS , then the corollary follows, MAN CAN THINK FOR HIMSELF , stretch it a little further , HE NEED NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING WITHOUT THINKING
    Thus HE SHOULD QUESTION QUORAN.This was ISLAM circa 600AD.
    Same thing happened with SPAIN , the dungeon of CATHOLIC FAITH
    watch the film GOYA’S GHOST by MILOS FOREMAN.
    Here the catholic religion was hundreed times more barbaric than Taliban.
    Yet when french conquered spain , spaniards went to france CAME BACK ENLIGHTENED TRANSFORMED(there is a scene in the film to the effect)
    Same with Hinduism IT HAD ITS DAY , any doubt about that statement disappears if you see ANGKOR VAT , one the greatest wonder of the world , A MILE LONG TEMPLE COMPLEX.
    But Hinduism lost out , because of PRIEST CLASS(HAS HAPPENED WITH THE DECLINE OF EACH AND EVERY CIVILIZATION INCLUDING JEWISH AND NOW ISLAM)
    In Modern society SCIENCE SHOULD REIGN SUPREME , religion is just a CULTURALCLOAK

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    engrich Reply:

    u are right shan.religion should be personal matter.state should run on reason
    not on religion.present dubai is glaring example.from istamboul to jakarta ,muslim is creating more sinan.mullah are being used to fight americans.where there is no america there is no mullah.now americans are using mullahs as their foot soldiers.

    but religious mullahs are good,they inject morality and honesty in kids.politica mullahs are different.but they have no support in muslim community.communal parties could not get more than 7%vote in pakistan.while their share in share in india is 25%.talibans are are due to americans but now they are marginalized.main problem of muslim world is corruption and lak of democracy.ummah is on right direction,it is only matter of time.america is on verge of collapse.uk will sink with america.
    arabs are investing in india in huge way.so future of our economy is good.but in scientific research we far behind china.for that brhmnst have to be controlled.
    they keep country busy on non issues.like ayodhya,lokpal and terrorism(chor machawe shor).we should concentrate on quality education only.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Let the past remain in past. If anyone was good in past does not gives
    him/her a licence to commit a crime now.
    A 61 years old kills a person and seeks a clemency on the grounds that
    he did not commit a single crime for the last 60 years. Is that what you
    are trying to say ? Historically we will always find glorious and hatefull
    chapters in all the religions. Let us just learn from those and improve
    our current life.
    Anything good or abhorable happening NOW in any society should be highlighed.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Hey Psuedo liberals;
    Just read The news and /or daily times of pakistan, or are you fan of Jang( Urdu edition) and papers of such taste???

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    engrich Reply:

    what is special there.can u read urdu.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj ji,

    aapne kaha, “Engrich; As we use to say, Tumahare chawal kache hain,…”

    Fake Ravi aur tu..engrich ke chawal hain kachche
    ye terrorism ke duniya ke hain asli bachche
    Shekhar ne kaha ‘Danish cartoon ke pehno kache’
    lekin woh kahan sunte hain, woh hain hi luchche.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I have to learn how to write these from you.
    Good one.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    very nice poetry

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    How you bring out this poetic reply?

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  • Anonymous

    This blog has gone silent again.
    Till any serious discussion starts : Read this,

    A man dies, In heaven he sees a large wall full of clocks
    he asks angel : what are these for ?
    Angel : These are lie clocks. Every person has a lie clock. Whenever
    anyone utters a lie on earth his clock moves a bit.
    Man points towards a clock and asks : whose clock is this ?
    Angel: Its Mahatma Gandhi’s clock, it hardly moved in his whole life.
    Man : Can you show me any clock which belongs to an Indian politician ?
    Angel :That is in our office , we use it as our Table fan.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Maan Gaye Mohan tumhen..

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  • Anonymous

    RSS again .

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=746557

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    Ravi Reply:

    And what is your view?

    Considering that there some of us here, who have been pointing this out for a while.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    During indepence time this organization was quite strong and was leaning
    towards what we call today hinduvata type. Slowly they started losing the followers,
    reasons could be what Vinay said that people found it boring or because of their
    stringent rules and many people lost interst in their fundamentalism also. Now they
    are trying to change their image,but not many believe their sincerty- if there is any -’
    I think it is a innocuous organization where few of their members still like to believe
    that they regain the past glory of Hinduism and Akhand Bharat.
    Nothing wrong in dreaming of this so called Akhand Bharat but it will remain dream
    only.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I hope what you say is true, and my friend Ashish has also said the same.

    I am happy to revise my view of the RSS, once I start to see evidence of what you say.

    Until then, I hope you will allow me to stick to the view I outlined in my response to Vinay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I will never tell anyone to change their views on any subject. As you had told
    me once that
    ‘your views define you.’

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    How very true.

    ‘your views (and utterances) define you (and not the target)’

    I only hope many of the people on this blog understand this.

    engrich Reply:

    hindu zoinists were copyig hitler.but movment failed as muslims are very poor.in germany jews were rich.
    who will waste his time in abusing ricksha puller.
    like hitler ,they are master liar.they fabricated the pst.
    like imaginary atrocities of aurangzeb on brhmns supported by zoinist media.lekin,

    zhoot ke tahni kabhi phalti nahi,
    naav kagaz ke kabhi chalti nahin.

    our new generation is more interested in future than in past.

  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    Something that could interest you – on PTSD.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ptsd-treatment-20111226,0,317377.story
    In the article below – read through comment posted by “ANavyShrink” .

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    I got the list from a source – that’s wikipedia (copy-paste) under accusations. Now, I won’t even bother to go thru the others.

    However, I don’t understand this – label fabrication factory. What did I say that offended you?

    If it was the “You-Muslim” issue, I’m sorry, it wasn’t for you – it was for Muslims. My mom has taught me this and I don’t find anything wrong in that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thats a man. I accept your apology. No more issue about it.

    The Wikipedia only gives the list of the reports – it is no reflection on the contents of the reports itself. I stand by my post.

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    engrich Reply:

    The Wikipedia is budle of half truth and untruth.prepared by zoinists to serve their purpose.glorifies/demonize the kings/races according to their advantage.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ Cingulate

    Culture and technology and art should not be given a Hindu / Islamic/christian or Buddhist label. Egyptians made pyramids long before Islam was born. Iraq had a persian civilisation. The technology of mosques was not because fo Islam.

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    engrich Reply:

    the best building and structures of the world were built under muslim rule.all big temples were built during muslim rule.even now muslims are building most specticular buildings of world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Culture , technology and art USED to be a direct byproduct of religion. The KIRTAN, HYMN, QUAWALI ,MUSIC , TEMPLES CHURCH , MOSQUE , the source of inspiration for all is RELIGION as is ART and CULTURE , thus HOLI, EID , CHRISTMAS etc It is so glaringly obvious doesn’t need any detailed discussion.Later NATIONALISM replaced religion as the source of inspiration for art , culture and technology.
    Present day MARKET is the source of inspiraion for art , culture and technology.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~ A POEM FOR LOVERS OF POETRY AND BEAUTY ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    She seems a flower whose fragrance none has tasted,
    A gem uncut by workman’s tool,
    A branch no desecrating hands have wasted,
    Fresh honey, beautifully cool.

    No man on earth deserves to taste her beauty,
    Her blameless loveliness and worth,
    Unless he has fulfilled man’s perfect duty—
    And is there such a one on earth?

    ~~~ * ~~~~

    Now who wrote this ?

    Kalidasa in 4th century !! Seems that Indian society was pretty developed and romantic then.

    Today I will take out a printout and then show it to my girl…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    yes, it is a poetry-lover’s delight.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    And put those lines of the lover Dushyanta side by side with the Raja Ravi Varma painting of Sakunthala looking back at Dushyantha (under the pretense of a dharba grass cutting her feet skin) with her friends Priyamvada and Anasooya walking forward..

    The famous RS Pandit in the English translation of Ritusamhara says “To read Kalidasa was like coming home after an absence of centuries”

    We had Meghasandesh (of course a Malayalam translation) as a text for my pre degree. The distraught husband sending his message of love to his beautiful waiting wife through the clouds — clouds taking shape, taking colour, moving over green lands, watching the running rivers, rising hills of our great country (can be any country)..He describes his wife:

    “Tanvi Shyama Shikari Dashana Pakwabimbadharosthi
    Madhya kshana chakithariniprekshana nimnanabhi
    Shronibharatha alasagamana stoknavra stanabhyam
    Ya tatrasatya dyuwati vishaye shrushtiradyev dhatooh’

    Get the English translation and show to your GF.

    My interest in Kalidasa started then; having read all his books, having visited Ujjain.

    I transform/transcend to the period when I visit a historical place – converse with the gone heroes and kings, poets and painters. I felt the great poet, one of the “nava ratna” of Vikramaditya Maurya court, answered my questions. I imagined the poet and I retraced the path of Raghu, the son of Dileep and the great grandfather of Lord Rama, as he laid out in Raghuvamsha — so many days of travel thru south and north India, central Asia….

    Back to Kerala… The only Sanskrit theater form that has been continuously “living” for the last thousands plus years is “koodiyattam” of kerala. I have seen Malavikagnimitram and Vikramorvaseeyam performed under the lead of the famous Mani Madhava Chakyar. I believe Delhi may show a Koodiyattam performance in connection with some of the national celebrations; attend with your GF.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, I can see a couple of bloggers here lumping Kalidasa, Ravi Varma, etc as the predecessors of RSS; with DigVijay Singh as their main flag waver

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj in reply to Manohar_T

    Manohar;
    I am at loss to know the way. We can only appeal to people. Really speaking, I would have left this blog some time back but for few bloggers. Any one using low language from any side of ideology divide should use only decent language. I will use your example, as you advised Engrich, to my friends, as and when they use such language.
    Friends:
    A couplet:
    Zafar aadmi us ko na jaaniye,
    Jise Aish main yaade khuda na rahe, aur taish main, Khof e khuda na rahe,. Please we are a family(Indians) and difference of opinion should not be cause of abuse. Abuse is weapon of weaks only.

    Response

    Kudos for your thoughts.

    The problem is that not everyone is as decent and cilvilised as you are.

    One can only request others to debate issues and not resort to abuse. I hope people on this blog take cognizance of your advice.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I am sorry to say that this suggestion only goes as far as it does, but not nearly far enough.

    Foul language – of which I too have been guilty in the past – is not the only issue which poisons this blog.

    Here are some non-language type issues:

    Did MOhamad have a wife?
    ——–
    Ghati,
    Are you follower of Ghati Raj Thackrey?
    ———
    and Ravi and Congressis IM and LeT.
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    @ rAVI

    You are a dullard who has less brains than engrich. You are the dullard who writes long posts with no meaning. You should take training under engrich and improve your mind to be single engined and more clear in your jehadi intent. You are wastign space here. just say that you hate Hindus and India and get out from here.
    ———
    In fact muslim men treat all muslim women as prostitute. Each female gets screwed by different males. Nikaah itself is not marriage but a sexual contract…what a sick way of treating women!!!

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I asked in honest ways about Mohamad wife. This was when your gurji Engrich was abusingg all hindu spiritual figure heads. For you his abuse of HIndus is spiritual music as he is your guruji.

    Franly you are wasting space here. All the time a school siren RSS RSS RSS. When the topic is Anna, talk RSS. it may be because of pyscological problem but please do not bore others. Anway to see the benefits of RSS for Indians come to Jammu. Here forces lead by your guruji Engrich and similar brainwashed jehadi robots is killing innocents all the time.

    If you are not jehadi, then you will need RSS help for protection from evil anti India jehadis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This was engrich’s reply to your Mohammed wife question :
    “he was a normal man not god. ”
    Now what ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    BTW, it just struck me that I engaged in discussion with you against my own better instincts.
    Sorry if your sense and sensibility got hurt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    After-statement for Vinay :
    Sorry for the rude behavior , just felt tempted …..
    Agree that this was best avoided.

    engrich Reply:

    this does not change the fact sai baba was swimming in cash.
    was a good bussinesman not bhagwan.good work of rss was seen by us whn they mascared 250000 muslims on pretext of taking them to sialkot.
    after this they have shown their greatness in various communal riots by raping women and burning infants,looting the property of weaker section.1984 also their acts were really unparralel.demolition of babri mosque is longest feather in their cap.they are communal fascist rascist and anti-national.
    then abhinav bharat took the command showed their KALA of bomb planting and blaming on muslims.they are creating nation within nation.show thenselves as hindu while actually they are agnostic anti-god.they were the secret perpetuator of 26/11 and all voilent acts after 1947.may be they are doing something for some special class.
    now brhmnsts should go back to their country of origin or america 3000 years of beating is sufficient for moolnivasis.
    god fearing brhmns can live.

    i tried to study vedas but that too is full of abuses for original inhabitants of this country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Using the word ‘abuse’ included spewing venom on others with or without context.

    As Pankaj has correctly stated ‘Abuse is weapon of weaks only”.
    I will add also of the bigots and the intolerant people.

    To add Mohan’s view and my addition
    ‘your views (and utterances) define you (and not the target)’

    The picture is complete. I still hope that there will be decency and civilised debates, though I am not optimistic.

    It already looks Pankaj’s appeal has fallen on deaf ears of at least one member.

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    Ravi Reply:

    As you may have noted there are some people who have I have ignored for a while, the list has recently grown.

    engrich Reply:

    pankaj left india after enjoying our subsidized education paid by poors through taxation.now .he is talking big.this is called brhmn.he was hurt to see 25/30 namazis.but feel very much at ease with thieves murders and liars.also says we fought for independence for that day.what a joke.they were the main pillar of british empire.churchill decided to free india in 1905.
    nehru and his cronies took the control of throne bypassing all other section of society.even ghandhi was murdered by a brhmnst,who distributed sweets all over india after this act of great bravery.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Any reaction from your side? No I am not calling you reactionary, just want to know your opinion to what this guy wrote.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Engrich;
    Pyare(?) nadan balak. whose 6 brothers are IAS officers and children studying/ settled in North America. You have no idea that I serve India in the way, your puny mind can not imagine. Feel happy in lyarri in Karachi. yes. I can read URDU.

    engrich Reply:

    u mean to say that u won the freedom so that not to see namazis in india.i think u are kashmiri.why u write something which u cannot defed.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Did I say that? What I was saying that this unruly behaviour on public places like Railway plateform or Public Roads is not allowable. Not MahaArati, as well.

    engrich Reply:

    u are right but this is india.have u seen cows and monkeys roaming at plateform.or temple next to plateform.u can see this on most of the airports.this shows ur intolerance.

    engrich Reply:

    urdu makes the man more civilized i have special place for these people.it is indian language which kept india uited for centuries.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    We can only appeal. Our appeals for moderation seems to be falling on deaf ears, even on Engrich’s. Should we give up our efforts to ‘cleanse’ the blog?

    Almost most of the time, I just ignore what he writes, letting him be what he is. He probably has a view on everything and articulates them – he uses the freedom of speech (if you like) to the utmost. He is not alone here, though.

    The attack on you was uncalled for. I request him once again not to get personal and stick to issues.

    Interestingly, he has lambasted Pandit Nehru – the favourite whipping boy of many of his ‘adversaries’ here.

    Late edition: Another one it seems is deaf too.

    engrich Reply:

    he was hurt on seeing 25/30 namazis and says that we liberated india to see this.

    what about this.nehru was also responsible for partition which killed 5 million people.he could reach a solution with leagu on ministerial berth.but he wanted to become prime minister at any cost.for this he should be condemned and critisized.muslim league had no support among muslims.gradually they will vanish.after 47 in bangladesh they have to chage their name from muslim league to awami league.in pakistan peoples party and tahrik insaaf is far above muslim league.i dont care if our adversaries support or critisize nehru.
    i am ready to support rss if it becomes indian,not hindu.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Being thick with the reactionaries and Islamic fundoos comes easily for this congressi troll.

    What “reaction” are you expecting from him for the jihadi engrich’s outpourings?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    your “injured innocence” may be very endearing to the congressi troll and your side kick, engrich, but it is all a put on, fake from beginning to end.

    You are a jihadi fundoo, and your camouflage can have only these two takers.

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    engrich Reply:

    i fully agree with u manohar i also apolige u and others for that,but this rajeev s

    is really mad.though sometime he is very nice as wll.

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  • Anonymous

    Kingfisher Airlines in default, a non-performing asset: SBI

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Kingfisher-Airlines-in-default-a-non-performing-asset-SBI/articleshow/11378278.cms

    “Kingfisher is a NPA (non-performing asset) for us. They are in default,” SBI Chairman Pratip Chaudhuri told reporters here on Thursday.

    The private carrier is in a financial mess and struggling to service its loans, which have run up to over Rs 6,000 crore.

    ———–

    Now we have to wait and see what the King of Good Times does.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t get me wrong, but there is this perverted sense of hilarity I get looking at the KingFisher story. My feeling stems from the way Air-India has been “ill-treated” (read it as screwed financially) by the Aviation ministry. So much so that – as a particular folklore has it Boeing distributed sweets using elephants to Indian community in seattle area when Mr. Praful Patel became aviation minister. One of the major finanical decisions the aviation ministry took favoured air-craft manufacturers , driving down a profitable Air-India in financial mess it is in today by purchasing 60 odd aircrafts.
    Air-India may have had its principal objective as sustaining the aircraft manufacturers, what was the Kingfisher smoking ?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    My sympathy is with Kingfisher. they offer great service, which i used in my recent trip to India. Feel bad when any Indian company goes down. Do not dislike Air india either, they offer fabulous meal enroute to India and girls are more to my liking in dress sense.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    For me there is no perverted sense of hilarity. it is all about nation’s scarce resources being loaded into few selected sectors (more later) and now there is a royal mess of gigantic proportions.

    1. Air India and Indian Airlines. I have never been able to understand as to why these two (with stark difference of work culture and markets) were merged. The Ministry of Civil Aviation (read Praful Patel) has a lot to answer for. Even now it is not too late to demerge them and bring them back to profitabilityand then sell atleast 49% to the public) . The latest – Ajit Singh, the new ‘boss’ of the airlines has stated no airline will be allowed to go down under. What do we make out of it? That a deal will be struck and the King of Good Times will be laughing (speeding in his Force India racing cars) all the way to the bank at tax payers’ expense?

    I think we have got the economic liberalisation wrong halfway. Everyone is allowed to buy (generally with other people’s money) and play with the toys of one’s liking and when the toy breaks down or is on a deathbed and is of no further use, other people’s (read tax payers) money is used to keep repairing it indefinitely. As I understand, free market economy means you discard playthings that are no more profitable. Didn’t USA allow iconic airlines like PanAm and TWA – the most visible torch bearers of everything that USA stood for and probably biggest brand names then – die their natural deaths? The rule, as old as the mankind – survival of the fittest – was thrown to the winds. it seems single airline (especially ii is owned by buddies) is a priority and not the state owned petroleum companies allowed to bleed at the behest of the likes of Mamta Bannerjee, who can spell economics partially – the NO part.

    2. Once the economic liberalisation set in, everyone it seems wanted to have the fancy ‘things’ what the neighbour had. One could say – owner’s pride, neighbour’s envy.

    These guys took fancy for few glamourous businesses like airlines, malls, housing (for the rich creamy layer) and began pouring other people’s money as if there was no tomorrow into these without an iota of any homework, bringing us to the current state of affairs. Playing with other people’s money is the ‘easiest’ thing to do in the world.

    ————

    Does the above sound like a rambling of a person (me) gone berserk, getting it all wrong?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    My loss on holding shares of Kingfisher airline keeps on increasing every day.
    But, I still like their yearly calendar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Aren’t there a cheaper ways of getting hold of the calendar? ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    Still on taint trail, BJP gives ticket to MP booted out of RS

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Still-on-taint-trail-BJP-gives-ticket-to-MP-booted-out-of-RS/896249/

    The induction of tainted former UP minister Babu Singh Kushwaha today continued to create tension within the BJP, which attracted more controversy by giving a ticket for the Assembly elections to a former MP who was expelled from the Rajya Sabha over the cash-for-query scam.

    ——————-

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  • Anonymous

    The tradition of manufacturing and pasting labels was started by Manohar & Ravi when they called anyone opposing their congressi-jehadi views as Sanghi. Now that people are paying back in same label, both are crying foul.

    It looks like their PitaJI PrahaladKji has abandoned them and taken Sanyas.

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  • Anonymous

    I have finally started admiring RahulG’s Concern for Dalits ;)
    He has really helped Kalavati (of N-Deal fame). It is another matter that she was shooed away when she went to meet Rahul.

    Now that another Dalit Bhanwari Devi (mistress of 5 Congressmen) is killed and her husband is being made a scapegoat, why don’t we hear Rahul Gandhi utter a single word?

    Also the people who stick to 5000 Dalit rape theory have nothing to say about sexual exploitation of dalit women by Congressmen.

    Double standards..anyone?

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi’s and Manohar’s hero Digvijay’s RSS links have now surfaced in open. It is becoming clearer and clearer than most of the rabid Congmen are Sanghi.

    On this blog PrahaladK too was found Sanghi..

    Are all these rabid Congmen actually closet Sanghi? Manohar may be Sanghi too…As far as Ravi is concerned, he belongs to Batla kind of group.

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  • Anonymous

    Using the cow

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/using-the-cow/895763/0

    If you are a resident of Madhya Pradesh, Muslim and poor, nowhere close to the class of nawabs who can pay for murg musallam or mutton raan, watch your pot! The BJP government, led by Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan, has just armed itself with a big danda ostensibly to protect the holy cow and its progeny. But, make no mistake, it’s a stick to beat you with.

    …….

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    engrich Reply:

    they should also punish those who bury her calf alive.and those who kick her out when she stop giving milk.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Are you sure. Are there some people who bury a calf alive?

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    engrich Reply:

    dr saheb i think u dont know india.have u ever seen any of calf on street.most of them are buried alive.muslims eat cow meat because it is cheap,for rss it is point to perpetuate ,communal riot..i am from cow belt many cows know our house as we feed them regularly.we are the family of animal lovers.

  • Anonymous

    Didi’s show

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/didis-show/895762/0

    One of the first things Mamata Banerjee did on assuming power was the setting up of a humble podium in the protected zone outside the chief minister’s office where she would regularly hold the ritual of paying homage to well-known personalities — from Kishore Kumar to Uttam Kumar, from Swami Vivekananda to Ma Sarada, from Shahid Khudiram to other revolutionaries like Benoy, Badal and Dinesh. It was in keeping with this tradition of iconic symbolism that she went on to name railway stations after the Kolkata Metro had been extended from Tollygunge to Garia. The new stations were called Netaji Subhas, Surya Sen, Geetanjali, Nazrul, Shahid Khudiram and Kabi Subhash. Such steps have been lauded by many as these were in sharp contrast to the Left regime when Bengal’s greats were largely relegated to the background and ignored — even Tagore. It came as a late realisation for the communists in Bengal that they should reassess Tagore and his songs, literature and philosophy.

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  • Anonymous

    Corruption, Lokpal and the IAS brotherhood

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/masala-noodles/entry/corruption-lokpal-and-the-ias-brotherhood

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    Let me reply quoting a rather contorversial figure – Mao.
    Mao , more often than not, spoke in a language that passed for sloganeering.
    One of his famous quotes was “Bombard the Party headquarters”.
    The reason I bring up Mao is to highlight a inherent conflict when polity establishes itself as established structure. In the process granting itself executive rights. Somewhere the thin line between right for execution gets crossed to become a right to rule. This is probably where the trouble begins.
    Part of the checks and balances we witness and do yearn for (especially so in the context of Jan Lokpal Bill proposed by Team Anna) tend to grapple with this inherent conflict.
    Admittedly the Babudom example you quoted in the link above has less to do with the conflict – and yet somehow I have my own fears about the Jan Lokpal Bill admin. structure proposed by Team Anna in precisely these terms. The crossing over of thin line. And now without any checks.
    We may not know what is good for us at this point – but somehow history has equipped us in atleast instructing what is bad or what can go bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very true – ‘Somewhere the thin line between right for execution gets crossed to become a right to rule. This is probably where the trouble begins’.

    We cannot have a system or a structure without checks and balances. That is where Team Anna and its backers went horribly wrong. Behind their slogan’ Corruption Hatao’, there was the devil the people were not told of.

    History has many lessons for the betterment of societies, but is anyone reading it?

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  • Anonymous

    @mahesh , manohar.mahesh , thanks for the link about PTSD. I do not come across much PTSD , but there is a condition called interstitial cystitis , where the patient experiences as if a BALL OF FIRE coming out when peeing Also I will share my experience about bariatric surgery.
    Guys I am really impressed by the AMERICAN POLITICAL PROCESS. i think India can do well to emulate. I am aware there is always that stench of corrupt money in the air.But the thing that impresses me about their selection process known as PRIMARY , is that every candidate TEARS the other to shreds.Public has all the DIRT and MUCK about all the candidates on public display.
    THERE IS NO HIGH COMMAND CULTURE AND NO CENTRAL LIST .
    Your opinions will be appreciated

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan-
    I am traveling in US. Was here for the new year; also watched the Iowa Caucus (sort of a primary, but not exactly).. In a way the caucus/primary system makes sense; in the sense there is no party list of candidates. Anybody interested announces his candidacy, and whoever gets the majority becomes the party’s candidate – be it for presidency, governor, MLA, MP etc..However, each state rule is different; in general registered democrats have to vote for democratic candidate, and registered republicans have to vote for republican candidate. But, in some states, there is crossover, also independents can vote; and it screws up the process.

    The major change this year is in election financing. The Supreme court passed a law last year making “corporations as individuals” allowing corporations to push their candidate (however, they cannot promote him, but only his positions; but can pinpoint the negatives of all other candidates). Newt Gingrich, who was leading in Iowa, lost badly because the corporate PACs (political action committee) supporting Mitt Romney spent millions on negative campaigning against Gingrich.

    In a way primary system will be good for India. However, in the Indian scenario, the political party/MLAs in power will be able to squeeze money from their sponsors; rich individuals/companies will float their candidates..

    One thing – primary system puts party organization as a supporting organization devising rules and organizing party conventions, and not as a candidate/PM picker. The dynastic nature of Indian politics will definitely end with something akin to the primary process.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Primaries. Only possible in a presidential form of government, not in a parliamentary system – not workable given 540+ seats in the parliament and thousands in the legislatures.

    The alternative (asking for the moon actually ) – parties have to be totally transparent with inner party democracy at every level all year around, where the party men compete with each other in a free and fair manner. May the best man win. This is opposed to a few ‘wise’ from the high command deciding the ‘winnable’ candidates based on considerations other than merit, mostly. It is like ‘mai-baap’ know best.

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  • Anonymous

    Engrich,
    This is about Satya Sai baba.
    Let me start with Abraham Kovoor. The first person to publicly question divinity of Satya Sai Baba. Several rationalist organisations that came up in the later period questioned the divinity of god men (yes, they were mostly men) . While doing so they somehow learned one thing. Walking the fine line that didn’t insult the devotee’s emotions and yet question the divinity. It was and still is a tough task. Somehow, the rationailst movement in this country learned the knack of doing it.
    There were conflicts and tere still are. Those working with these organisations at times risked their lives exposing the magic – much out of the ire of devotees. And yet they mostly chose to honour the devotees emotions.
    See and try if you can follow the suite.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    You ask me that now Engirch has said Mohamad was ordinary man, now what?

    I ask, if MOhamad is ordinary man, why Muslim create bawal about satanic verses and feel happy by insulting Sai baba and TYirupati?

    if mohamad is ordinaly why death puishment for apostasy? Engrich say Mohamad is ordinary, why not revise so much backward thought which he preached?

    I think you will not answer but pretend that Indian secuar system is hur and now start cursing Hindus and RSS.

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    engrich Reply:

    i dont curse hindus as hinduism is tolerant.our prophet has also instructed us for this.that is why zoinists has published 60000 books attacking islam and our prophet.muslims never wrote or published a single book even countering them.
    we respect moses jesus and lord rama.allama iqbal always called lord rama as IMAM-E-HIND.
    YES OUR mohammed (pbuh)was an ordinary man..he never claimed that
    he has any power.he was only sending message to the people.he was DHARMDAAS,not god.

    but i definetly curse rss as it anti-hindu anti-india fascist voilent organization,hurting india and indians.

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    engrich Reply:

    I ask, if MOhamad is ordinary man, why Muslim create bawal about satanic verses and feel happy by insulting Sai baba and TYirupati?

    if mohamad is ordinaly why death puishment for apostasy? Engrich say Mohamad is ordinary, why not revise so much backward thought which he preached?

    death punishment is wrong even in pakistan majority is against this.but public abusement of any religous figure is wrong and there should punish ment for this.u say,

    why not revise so much backward thought which he preached?

    anything irrevelant goes automatically with modernity and education u cannot force.few diehards are in everysociety.like u.
    on satanic verse,it was abusive it was not critical.salman still says that i am muslim.he was paid 5million poud to write this so bawal was must ,to sell it.it is ordinary book nobody will buy if no mayhem on it.

    sai baba was fraud and govment shoul bring legislation to stop people like to rob innocents.or they should prove.his 50000 crores wealth should be confiscated and spent in building hospitals roads and other projects of public interest.
    i am not against triputi but wealth should be used for public same with other temples dargah and churches.religion should be made ,money minting bussines.money taken out from circulation hurts our economy.
    if this wealth comes in market salries of employe will increae four fold.

    shekhar,this new sai baba was a muslim from barabanki upa sufi,had no super power.brhmns of that time wanted to kill him saved and sheltered by tipu sultan.NOW THE SME BRHMNS ARE MINTING MONEY USING HIS NAME.
    INDIA SHOULD DEVELOP SCIENTIFICMIND WE ARE 20 YEARS
    BEHIND CHINA AND GAP IS INCREASING.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    May I say you are horribly wrong about the so called rationalist movement and its star preformer, Abraham Kovoor.

    They, particularly Kovoor didn’t give a tinker’ shit(whatever it means, you may seek it from your friend, fake Ravi) to the feelings of the believers. Their campaign was extremely vicious in the case of Sai Baba.

    The same gang of rationalists had nothing to say and remained tongue-tied, when Benny Hinn came with a plane-load of evangelists for faith-curing Indians and displayed their miracles of curing life-long lepers, cripples and even paraplygics. Congress ministers and governors lined the tarmac when his plane landed in Bangalore and some of them even applauded the evangelist supremo, Hinn, when he performed the miracles.

    And contrary to your statement of threats to their lives, the rationalists carry on merrily only because they feel safe in carrying on their tirades, mostly against Hindu beliefs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    Only if we people could think rationally all the time (is it possible? doesn’t look like if one goes by the posts here), then these ’self anointed’ Gods …………..

    Carrying on, how can there so many ‘Gods’ floating around at the same time ? It must be very ‘confusing’ for mere mortals. Or it is a case of more the merrier?

    Further , if we were to ‘elect’ a god based on as to how many exotic magic tricks a person can conjure up – then P C Sorcar, Jr would win hands down. Didn’t he make the Taj Mahal disappear?

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    engrich Reply:

    mr mahesh ,

    i could not understand when goverment jholee chaap doctors why they people are arrested for false claims.sai baba was claiming to have cure for cancer.goverment should have checked his claim iffound wrong ,book him
    under 420.same now nitya nand is doing.this country is being run by foryune tellers and magic showers.if our goverment is really serious ,should take action on them.

    prevention is better than cure..make baba testing institute where certificate should be issued for their claim.this is not restricted among hinus only.muslims are too victim of muslim baba sfraud.

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  • Anonymous

    For muslims who don’t believe in anything remotely hindu, insulting hindu faith is article of faith for them. They become better muslims by doing so.

    Mahesh Ghati is unnecessarily stopping a muslim from practicing his religion.

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  • Anonymous

    @ShoebK, thanks for your reply. This is the remedy (american primary) that can put an end to dynastic politics , and political dictatorship ,be it behenji or mamataji , or amma. People are exasperated at the regularity of the CRIMINAL candidates getting elected, But this is because the ELECTORATE is MOSTLY ILLITERATE , thus they have no clue as to what is going on , thus they fall for THE DEVIL YOU KNOW , that is your own caste. SO EDUCATION IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT WEAPON that will change the political landscape for ever. along with NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN to expose these CRIMINALS.
    In fact ANNA’s team rather than devoting in media attention , should form a forum to expose the BAD APPLES.

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  • Anonymous

    Do not dislike Air india either, they offer fabulous meal enroute to India and girls are more to my liking in dress sense.

    JOKE OF THE CENTURY

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  • Pankaj#1

    5cingulategyrus9
    I am replying to you, as I see that this is directly related to my comments. Yes, I repeat, what ever I had said. Dear Shan, as my work make me travel extensively, you can not compete with the travel experience I have. Please do not bring me to level, where I unmask you.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    sorry for sharp last line. You may have some bad experience once and in such cases, once is good enough.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    SELECTIVE INDIGNATION AND DOUBLE standards being practised here:

    There is a duo here, Guru Engrich and his dumb chela Ravi who wants to hurt India and Hindus and consequently diverts all topics onto that road. Sometimes it seems there are one and only one. It is easy for them to celeberate the foul remarks against Sai Baba and Tirupati becasue they are attuned to hurting HIndus and India. When I asked them something about Mohamad. Both of them pretend that secular feeling are hurt.

    Mahesh you can object against me. You are mumbaikar. When Engrich and his chela Ravi tell falsehoods about 26/11 , that it was spread by RSS, why u r silent? is this your grasp of reality. Guru Engrich and Chela Ravi also said that Churchill was giving India freedom in 1905 and RSS and Nehru went against. So you and Manohar think this is true and must be applauded.

    When the entire gang was celeberating conversion from Hindu to othere religions I ask a pointed question. Also celeberate when Christians becum Muslim. When Sikhs becum Muslims and Muslims become . hindu

    ALL RAN AWAY AND HAVE NOT PUT IN SINGLE POST. Only hurt India is secular thinking in their head.

    Can any one of them tell me : WHEN RSS IS DAILY PROTECTING HINDUS, BUDDHISTS AND SIKHS FROM MASSACRE IN JAMMU AND KASHMIR FROM LASHKAR AND JEHADI FORCE… WILL YOU SUPPORT LASHKAR OR SUPPORT RSS??

    NObsody will give answer in next ten years

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    engrich Reply:

    Mahesh you can object against me. You are mumbaikar. When Engrich and his chela Ravi tell falsehoods about 26/11 , that it was spread by RSS, why u r silent

    i raised 7 question u or gopi(both rss agent on this bog)awnser them.

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  • Anonymous

    Shekhar–

    I do not recollect Ravi saying that 26/11 was an RSS creation. He did state that it is done by Pakistanis (although he has his on rationale as to why Pakistanis did this/do these types of things).
    Engrich has consistently maintained it is done by RSS.

    On another question of you regarding the Islamic extremism in kerala – yes, there is; several Muslim boys have been arrested for attending terror training camps in Pakistan, a few have died fighting against Indian army in Kashmir (figure it out!); T Nazeer , the South India commander of LeT has been arrested, Abdus Madani and his wife have been arrested for recruiting for terror, etc etc. I personally think there is a well organized Islamic terrorist wing, mainly belonging to PFI, the reincarnation of NDF/SIMI. They had a meeting in Ramlila maidan in November, the same place where Anna and Ramdev were denied to conduct their meetings. E Aboobacker, the founder of PFI/SIMI did announce there that “Delhi is close, we will take over and bring the old glory back..) I do not think neither the centre nor the state has the pulse on these activities; and that is one reason why we are never able to find the culprits, even after two and three years of an attack like the Mumbai jewelry bazar, Delhi high court, etc .
    In fact the current Congress/Muslim league ministry in the state is even an enabler – the previous govt had put a DIG, Tomin Thachengerry, on suspension because he had met Paksiatni/Indian organizers (tied to Dawood) in Dubai (where he went without obtaining the necessary permission for foreign travel). The press reports said he is on the payroll of Dawood connected terror planners. The suspension was based on the NIA/Embassy report. However, the UDF (equivalent to UPA) govt who took over in March reinstated him, as if it was the number one issue facing the state! NIA just brushed off stating reinstatement is up to the state authorities.
    Muslim League is a determining group in the state UPA, with 25 MLAs. There were no press reports about any pressure from Muslim League to reinstate this DIG; Congress seems to have taken this initiative to please them. I should note that none of the people arrested so far in connection with terrorism is connected to the Msulim League party; but fringe movements like PFI/SDPI , or Muslims who have left Muslim League because they think Muslim League is not Muslim enough.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    This growing of Islamic extremism in Kerala is worrying. A serious and decisive
    Action should be taken to stop these fundamentalists otherwise it may grow to a level
    which will be almost impossible to handle.

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    engrich Reply:

    mohanrr gopi is rss propagandist.fear of muslims helps him to get recruits.creator of wealth wants peace.muslims are not competing for power.they are hard worker and want peace to meet their expenses.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Re: your first para. A closed mind is a devil’s workshop.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Are you referring to Engrich or me regarding closed mind. If you are referring to me, no problem. But then I have full rights to ask this question. Why do you not answer my question on conversion of Christians to Islam and Muslims to Hinduism. Can you tell me are you scared to answer?

    Honestly I will not be rude.

    Second I want to know why you are silent on one sided killings of Hindus for 20 years in Jammu and Kashmir.

    As u say you are from Goa. Can you tell me why Goa government clamp down on madrassas. WHy Muslims were not allowed to convert beach sides into Kabristan. Why is goa government scare that a 26/11 type of attack will be launched on beach parties by Pakistani murdrers and Inidna Mujahidin like Engrich.

    If you answer with frankness I will be happy.

    If you dont answer, I think I will get the answer.

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    engrich Reply:

    Second I want to know why you are silent on one sided killings of Hindus for 20 years in Jammu and Kashmir

    pure lie submit the list of those killed..provocating muslims and inciting hindus is part of game.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Please do not expect and ask why I do not answer your posts (No one is expected to comment on everything that is posted here). There can be various reasons – and you know the principal one – I do not care to respond to those who do not temper their language and indulge in personal attacks (labeling) in all their posts. These are my terms – whether you wish to follow them or not is is entirely up to you or anyone else. That I am not a great blogger and one may not care what I write is another matter and you perhaps will not be missing anything if there is no debate between us.

    If you says so that you will be not be rude, I will take your word for it for now.

    Let me remove a label you have chosen to plaster. I am not only from Goa. I am an Indian, so I am partly Goan too.

    I have stated the following many times before. The others will be bored reading it.

    Religion is a personal thing and to be confined within four walls of one heart & mind and home.

    At least in India, freedom to practice and change one’s way of reaching to God is guaranteed and no one else has the right to enforce his way and prevent others if they wish to discard one and adopt another for whatever reasons. There cannot be any issue of conversion from religion A to religion B. Period.

    All laws and actions (legal or illegal) that defies the above are not acceptable and I condemn them.

    In future, if I do not respond, you are free to reach a conclusion and “know’ my answers, it will not bother me. I cannot control other people’s minds and thinking.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Thank you for the nice post Gopi. We are all worried and scared about Islamic terror engulfing India. I think we should not be scared but plan well to defeat them here for the sake of free world. The RSS is one option which can help get nationalist feelings in all of us.

    It is also true that RSS should open its minds more and make its culture more interesting to young people. I look forward to that day when Muslims and christians will openly join RSS to comabt Islamic or any other terror.

    Regarding Keral, it is very bad that the peaceful atmosphere is in danger. I think the culture of Keral with music and arts will be the first sufferers in case rabid ISlamic terror comes there. I look forward to hearing some concrete ideas on how the youth can defeat these evil forces with funding from OSama etc.

    For COngress all this radicalisation is music as this is the way it rules by dividing India.

    I can also say that Engrich is Guru with chelas like Ravi. Engrich sets agenda. Ravi will give very boring nonsense lecture on this fanatic, converting LeT agenda.

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    engrich Reply:

    I do not recollect Ravi saying that 26/11 was an RSS creation. He did state that it is done by Pakistanis (although he has his on rationale as to why Pakistanis did this/do these types of things).
    Engrich has consistently maintained it is done by RSS.
    GOPI,
    rss is secret perpetuatrs of all evil acts in india.rss(brhmnst)were part of this game.if they were not,

    1.why no enquiry comission was formed to investigate the facts.
    2.such a big act cannot happen without local support.why no indian was arrested.
    3.why our chief security advisor(ak narayan a notorious palghat brhmn) was fired after this operation.
    4.who killed terrorists tried to hide their identities by mutiliating their faces.
    5.2-3terrorists cannot fight with nsg and other security agencies and at the same time rape and kill and mutiliate the faces of 166 women,men and chilren,while taking brhmns to exit gates.
    6.intellegence agencies were warning about attak but karkare and his team was ordered to surrender ak47 and replace with sten guns.
    7.karkare and his team was suppose to expose bomb planter next morning.

    gopi if u have courage awnser.or never repeat ur lie kerala muslims are moving towards extremism.muslims are the creator of wealth who want peace to feed their babies.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,

    Friday morning, holiday here, having my morning coffee and going through all the posts which I could not read yesterday and I come across this couplet.

    Zafar aadmi us ko na jaaniye,
    Jise Aish main yaade khuda na rahe, aur taish main, Khof e khuda na rahe,.

    Beautiful. You have made my day.

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    engrich Reply:

    no doubt beautiful couplet.urdu language was one of the biggest asset of india.it was not the language of pakistan or bangladesh.it was pure indian language,developed with joint efforts of hindu muslim sikh and christian. destroyed by communal bigots.

    pankaj bhai

    badal kar fakeeron ka bhais hum ghalib,
    tamashai ahle chaman dekhte hai.,

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks mohan.

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  • Anonymous

    Who said beggars cannot be choosers ?

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/On-the-rise-Cost-of-giving-up-begging/Article1-791824.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Let me tell you a anecdote

    An acquaintance of mine on his way to work used to pass by a empty room with a big kitchen attached. The food being cooked daily used to be fit for a king’s banquet.

    Out of curiosity, he stopped and inquired. The conversation went something like this

    Q: Kis ke liye yeh itnaa achhaa aur itna zyaadaa khaanaa roz bantaa hai?

    A: Gyaara seth logon ke liye.

    Q: Kahaan hai seth log?

    A: Sab kaam par haye hain

    Q: Kyaa kaam karte hain?

    A: Bheek maangte hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Good one.

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  • Anonymous

    “Good” to know that Congress Ministers can do at least one thing ‘right’.

    Lining up, greeting and waiting for ‘magic potions’ / ‘good luck charms’ from the ‘Gods’ on this planet. Wot! No BJP ministers? Must be very sensible and ‘rational’.
    ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    Very inspiring story.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/an-education-revolution-that-started-with-rs10-1.962041

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    a truly inspiring tale. It makes me sad to say that after sixty five years of attaining independence, our children have to study in thatched huts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    People like Mr. Abu Zafar are the real heroes of our country.

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  • Anonymous

    Kolkata Marwaris feel the heat as Mamata Banerjee breathes fire

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Kolkata-Marwaris-feel-the-heat-as-Mamata-Banerjee-breathes-fire/articleshow/11385826.cms

    —————

    The angst is acute enough for some members of the community, who migrated from Rajasthan to Bengal centuries ago, to aver that they are curtailing fresh investments. An industrialist on the verge of setting up a chemicals plant and a steel manufacturer both said their next investments would be in Gujarat.

    ————-

    Mamata’s loss, Modi’s gain!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    This seems a complex issue.

    Any attempt to raise the standards of corporate governance is like to have two effects.

    1. It will raise the cost of production.

    2. It will create white collar criminals.

    Both these can result in flight of Capital.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is not an isolated scenario and this is not about raising the standards of corporate governance, as far Mamata Bannerjee is concerned.

    A whole range of her actions (rather reactions, impulsive mostly) since storming the Writers’ Building are ample indications that power has gone to her head and has started overestimating her strength. A sure sign of a megalomaniac. To make it worse, her track record as an administrator is abysmal.

    Also looks like she wants to be the A-team of the Comrades.

    Now we have three empresses, one each in North, East and South. None yet in Western India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Are you recommending a gender re-assignment for Mr Modi.

    Now that would be something

    Anonymous Reply:

    No.

    There is no woman leader in the western states as yet to match them.

    engrich Reply:

    modi makes money by selling state property at throw away prices to capitalists who create ignorance and poverty.general people of gujrat is as ignorant and poor as people of orrisa.poverty is increasing with industrialization.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr. Gadkari’s controversial decision to take Kushwaha in BJP fold has created rift
    In the party. Many have appossed this move.
    If similar thing happens in congress where Mrs. Gandhi picks someone,
    will anyone have courage to apposse such decision?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohanrr
    The induction of these leaders in the BJP is quite a mystery.Some press reports mention Katiyar, some mention Uma Bharti and of course Nitin Gadkari too. But BJP has scored a huge self-goal.Till this episode ,we would all say nothing can be said about the final outcome in the UP elections. But now one thing is clear that the BJP is not in the picture.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No.

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  • Anonymous

    A very good comment by Ms. Poonam Pandey

    Indian cricketers are like faithful husbands,
    they only perform at home.

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    engrich Reply:

    Indian cricketers are like faithful husbands,
    they only perform at home

    and against money.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is not ‘against’, it is ‘for’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that was literally hitting below the belt.

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  • Anonymous

    We all have forgotten the issue of this blog-”ANNA AND HIS JAN LOKPAL BILL.

    HERE IS HOW IT CAN STILL BE GOT PASSED BY THE PARLIAMENT:

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  • Ravi

    Indian Revolution Born in Farce Ends in OneBy MANU JOSEPH

    Published: January 4, 2012

    I have selected some GEMs from this fresh look at Anna.

    NEW DELHI — Last week in Mumbai, an old man accepted defeat. Anna Hazare sat cross-legged on a stage, enduring yet another fast and staring bleakly at a massive public ground that can fit 100,000 people but was not filling up with supporters as he had expected. Just a few thousand had turned out to watch, a small fraction of the numbers the 74-year-old man had attracted during his earlier fasts in New Delhi to demand the creation of a powerful anti-corruption body called the Lokpal that would primarily roast politicians and bureaucrats. The news media, too, had grown tired of his fasts. All this and poor health forced Mr. Hazare to end his demonstration just a day after he had begun his three-day fast.

    ………..For more than four decades, Parliament members have been trying to create a Lokpal, and they have, not surprisingly, failed, because it would be suicidal for them to succeed.

    ………..It is over not for want of ideals or self-righteous rage, but because of the way it began, last April, as a spectacle on television news channels. The news anchors projected a man with outdated rustic ideas, including flogging as a cure for alcoholism and chopping off limbs as a punishment for corruption, as the new hero of the middle class.

    ……….Television news quickly converted Mr. Hazare into a saint who had arrived from his village to fight the corrupt authorities in New Delhi. On the first day of his fast, there were no more than 300 people around him, but the cameras framed the fast in such a way that it gave the impression that something big was going on.

    ………By the time the anchors asked the important question — “Who exactly is Anna Hazare?” — it was too late. They had already proclaimed him a modern saint, and he had amassed millions of supporters in a matter of days. As it turned out, Mr. Hazare is not a man the urban middle class would normally call a saint.

    ……….After the media’s canonization of Mr. Hazare, his utterances and actions slowly began to expose him as a very different man from what people had been led to believe. He praised the chief minister of Gujarat State, Narendra Modi, for “rural development” even though the image of Mr. Modi in the national conscience is of a man accused of having a role in the killings of hundreds of Muslims in communal riots. On a television show, Mr. Hazare recommended amputation and death for the corrupt.

    ………It was exactly men like him from whom India had liberated itself in its struggle for modernity.

    Also, he has declared that in the approaching state elections he will campaign against the Congress party — even if this means supporting other corrupt politicians. His priority, he has stated, is to punish the Congress for not passing his version of the Lokpal bill.

    ……So a movement that was born in a farce has ended in a farce. But Mr. Hazare, despite the erosion of his credibility, still has support in the middle class because of its deep hatred of politicians. Also, the people who have walked long distances holding candles and wearing “I am Anna” caps are embarrassed to admit that they were wrong. They want to believe that a revolution can clean India of corruption, even though some of them have most likely done things like bribe nursery school officials to secure their children’s admissions.

    No doubt some abuse will be directed towards Mau Joseph. Lets see.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Can post the link for the full article?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    The telling line is

    “Also, the people who have walked long distances holding candles and wearing “I am Anna” caps are embarrassed to admit that they were wrong”.

    A very familiar situation here on this blog too. Identify oneself too closely with an idea or an ideology without due diligence, then in due course do not know where to look.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Absolutely true.

    I have not seen a modicum of magnanimity here. Have you?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now isn’t that asking for the impossible?

    On the contrary it is all malevolence here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar/Ravi

    Gloating at the so called failure of Team Anna ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not gloating at all. I said twice earlier that they lost a golden opportunity to make a difference. They really messed it up. Perhaps their fight was not against corruption in the first place. The NGO they formed IAC probably stood for ‘India against Congress’ and not ‘India Against Corruption’. If it was so, they should have come clean from day one.

    Now Arvind Kejriwal & Co. is asking people to suggest as to what they should do next, fair enough. The moot question is, will anyone, especially the political class, pay heed to their next “fight’? I do not think so.

    engrich Reply:

    ravi bhai i sent a harh comment which was meant for shenoyv.by mistak it was publish as reply to u.i apolige for inconvenience.DOG TURDS.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ Guru Engric and chela Ravi

    Why you are supporting lies that RSS was beihnd 26/11?

    You people eat from India and stab indians in back because of Jehadi mentality and training by Lashkar.

    When all your gang was celeberating conversion from Hindu to othere religions I ask a pointed question. Also celeberate when Christians becum Muslim. When Sikhs becum Muslims and Muslims become . hindu

    ALL RAN AWAY AND HAVE NOT PUT IN SINGLE POST. Only hurt India is secular thinking in their head.

    Can any one of them tell me : WHEN RSS IS DAILY PROTECTING HINDUS, BUDDHISTS AND SIKHS FROM MASSACRE IN JAMMU AND KASHMIR FROM LASHKAR AND JEHADI FORCE… WILL YOU SUPPORT LASHKAR OR SUPPORT RSS??

    NObsody will give answer in next ten years

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    engrich Reply:

    shekhar first awnser my 7 enquiries on 26/11.which clearly shows that sacred brhmns perpetuated this heinous act.one of the main was to liquidate honest secular socialist brhmns KARKARE..till then u and rss propagandist gopi dont write any new bullshit.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Mahesh, Ravi, Manohar

    Can I take it that Engrich is giving your opinion?

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    engrich Reply:

    i want ur awnser.not manohar or mahesh.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Will you ever grow up and stop indulging in juvenile logic?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,
    All three of them have different opinions on most of the matter (ravi and enrich are more closer to each other) but strangely all three defend each other’s view as a team.

    engrich Reply:

    Can any one of them tell me : WHEN RSS IS DAILY PROTECTING HINDUS, BUDDHISTS AND SIKHS FROM MASSACRE IN JAMMU AND KASHMIR FROM LASHKAR AND JEHADI FORCE… WILL YOU SUPPORT LASHKAR OR SUPPORT RSS??

    providing protection to subjects is duty of state not rss.u cannot run state within state.u are fabricating mascare to win point.let attacks army.

    u people pass ur time in spreading lies and trivia.u dont protect anybody.u only attack poors and innocents.

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    engrich Reply:

    WHEN RSS IS DAILY PROTECTING HINDUS, BUDDHISTS AND SIKHS FROM MASSACRE IN JAMMU AND KASHMIR FROM LASHKAR AND JEHADI FORCE… WILL YOU SUPPORT LASHKAR OR SUPPORT RSS

    what u were doing in 1984 when sikhs were taking shelter in muslim houses to save their life.lashkar attack army not people.budhdhists are also attacked by u people not lashkar.

    like anyother rss man u are boater and liar.

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    engrich Reply:

    When all your gang was celeberating conversion from Hindu to othere religions I ask a pointed question. Also celeberate when Christians becum Muslim. When Sikhs becum Muslims and Muslims become . hindu

    hindu is born only.not converted.u are propagandist.

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  • engrich

    Blow after blow for Team Anna; fine imposed on Shanti Bhushan

    dard badta gaya

    jun jun dawa kee

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~~ HI FROM CHILLED OUT FOGGED DELHI !! ~~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    A quick hullo … Exacting work pressures have kept me away from the blog. And now I am just itching to rush to the tennis courts and play in the flood lights to get some mental relief !

    @ Gopi

    Thanks for the info on Kalidas. As always you surprise me on the range of your interests. I would definately catch up with Kalidas’ works. My interest was ignited because of a late night dinnner with a bonfire at a JNU professor’s house. The subject came to the change in courtship norms. As people opined, it has become so easy– the net, the mobile phone etc etc, it has just become all physical etc etc. And then a lecturer in English suggested suggested that our society was pretty liberal and refined even 1700 years back.

    She recited this poem from memory…. And when I checked up later, it really did look so subtle and sensitive, a far cry from the general perception that the society then was all about wars and barbarianism….

    @ Shekhar

    Maybe you have diagnosed correctly. Engrich is the guru…

    @ Shenoy

    What bout a poem for the new year…

    @ Mohan

    Naya saal ka naya chutkala kahan giya????

    @ Engirch

    Have a life man!! Just chill out for a change and try to see some movies, read Prem Chand or Vikram Seth. Have five shots of tequila. Maybe that will help you in seeing the world differently

    @ Ravi

    Chill out man !

    Bye… the courts wait ofr me now…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    “ekam sat vipra bahuda vidatnti” “Loka samastha sukhino bhavandu” etc was recited long before 1700, when nobody else knew the divrsity and scopeof our world…
    Our education system, “McCauley’s as well as the post independence secular”, has done untenable damage to our being.. The economic growth of the last 15 years has helped us, especially the youngsters to look nto our treasures, protect and cherish. I hope our rich industrailists such as Premji, Moorthy, ambani etc will allocate part of their wealth to construct world class museums with qualified curators… so much but so little to see a9nd appreciate..I feel ashamed when I go abroad..the way they keep their historical a9nd cultural treasures..So far we did not have money.. But no excuse now

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Always glad to oblige.

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  • Anonymous

    Shekhar gandotra, respect yr pain on killing of hindus and sikhs in Jammu. Now we all know abt Kashmir, but Jammu ??? Pl u provide link and solid saboot.
    Another thing, shekhar stop this childish baiting of ravi and engrich aka tajender. Pointless, takes up too much space, drives out other gems who like polteness and high standards.
    THE REAL GEMS HERE ARE ASHISH, GOPI, SHOEB, SYED, DR MISHRA, DR SHAH ALAM, etc, they stay away when u ppl start stupid fights.
    Both ravi and engrich are OBSRSSIVE BLGGERS, dont give them oxygen of publicity, they love it.
    Dear manohar and mahesh, u hv never been abusive but this tu/tu/main/main over minute points, pl sirji stop. I will reply on Anna and Manu Joseph later

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    engrich Reply:

    THE REAL GEMS HERE ARE ASHISH, GOPI, SHOEB, SYED, DR MISHRA, DR SHAH ALAM.balwinder u are the biggest gem.kohinoor.

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    engrich Reply:

    Shekhar gandotra, respect yr pain on killing of hindus and sikhs in Jammu. Now we all know abt Kashmir, but Jammu ??? Pl u provide link and solid saboot

    PRAAJEE zhoot zhoot hota hai zhoot ka koi suboot nahi hota.yeh rss ka admi hai.sach paap hai zhoot odhna bichouna.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,

    you said, “Who said beggars cannot be choosers ?”

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/

    There is one such beggar in the US.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very good one.

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  • Anonymous

    New Year brings for the congress rare cheer
    prices of food drop, cloudy skies clear
    Digvinash thunders, but nobody to hear
    Rahul Baba blunders, but nothing to fear

    Khushwaha brings for the BJP loss of face
    In UP it has many cards, but not a single ace
    Dissention in rank and files keeps pace
    with the determination to lose the race.

    Mayawati hopes to repeat her poll success
    In a hurry she sheds baggage that was in excess
    though her state’s finances are in a mess
    her own finances are sound, tucked in every recess.

    Mulayam, in the end, may be the master spinner
    he is no more a Maulana, but neither is he a sinner
    His Muslim-Yadav-OBC combi may make him the winner
    he may ride the wave yet, but margins may be thinner.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bang on. BJP will be number 4 courtesy Kushwaha.

    Most probably SP-Congress will form the govt. where Congress will run UP keeping SP on CBI danda.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    Good analysis.
    Assuming SP/Congress are buddies, and assuming BJP/coalition gets 65-70 seats in South India, where will BJP get the remainder for 2014 Lok Sabha – 2 years is eternity; but knowing BJP, they will sleep till then. It looks like they will have to have behanji or Mamta; hobsen’s choice.

    Time to project clean image and excellent candidates…

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    keep this poet’s cap for ever.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As usual apt and pertinent !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy at his best again with his great tukbandi.

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  • Anonymous

    shenoy–
    Do you see any winning strategy for BJP in coopting Kushawaha… money corruption is one thing — but isnt there two or three murders indirectly or directly connectedwith him?
    Is this a suicide mission or is there any brilliant possibilities?

    Is Gadkari getting money from Congress?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Hear, hear.

    BJP leader Yashwant Sinha defended the decision, saying Kushwaha has come as a “whistleblower” to the party and will expose the deeds of UP chief minister Mayawati.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/BJP-ties-itself-in-knots-over-Kushwaha-s-induction/Article1-792085.aspx

    Did he say that with a straight face?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yashwant Sinha is fit to be in Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think BJP has inducted Kushwaha because of caste factor. It is sad BJP too is becoming like Congress, RJD, SP, BSP…

    I am sure it will backfire on BJP and they will loose heavily in UP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    rajeev-

    It is pretty sad– wastg a huge opportuty

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    Unlike Congress, BJP is a party that believes in change but of late it has started to mirror Congress party.
    I have never voted for BJP in my life, not even during its peak years because I found it difficult to support them wholeheartedly. I started liking BJP only because it gave a new push to infrastructure development especially roads. The other thing I liked was its bold foreign policy except for Kanadahar episode when it was bullied by Congress and media to give in to demands of terrorists.

    I voted for VP Singh blindly when I was 18 years old and still regret that wasted vote. After than I went to polling booths number of times but came back without casting my vote because I never found anyone deserving my vote.

    However I believe BJP is still best out of worst but still not worthy of our votes. They need massive change in their ideology totally focussed on giving better lives to ALL Indians without bias or prejudice.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Gopi;
    I am very disappointed with decision of Gadkari to induct Kushwaha. This is no BJP of yore.

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    engrich Reply:

    bjp is party of unintellegent people.their first principle is ,they have no principle.cannot win election without igniting riots.

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  • engrich

    gopi,

    i am waiting ur reply on 26/11.thanks.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi, yr thoughts on Kalidas were touching. Sadly the only culture we Punjabis know is agriculture hehe
    s
    Shekhar I still await yr snswer. In this gentelman blog, we have to back our claims.
    Mohan, Shenoy yr jokes poems are great.
    Ravi, I accuse you of crime worse than abuses, you have as others put it become vaary boring with long posts.
    Now Anna and Manu Joseph article, I feel like saying SHARM KARO YOU CYNICS, in cesspool of Indian corruption a seventy year old man took on the looters and criminals of parliment and shook them into 21 century. A sangraam like this takes decades and I thank Annaji from bottom of my heart. Sirji tussi great ho.
    THIS SARDAR IS FLYING TRICOLOUR IN UK, wearing cap saying I am Anna, with tears of pride,
    ABHI TO YEH ANGDAAI HAI
    AAGEY AUR LADAI HAI…… anyone remember these slogans. Manohar and cynic Mahesh, u once again disappoint with Anna attacks. Ravi, dont respond with boring repetitions

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    Don’t worry, Dr Mishra will be coming along soon.

    You will then be able to sing

    हम घर साजन आये प्यारेया

    हम घर साजन आये

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    engrich Reply:

    good one

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    engrich Reply:

    I feel like saying SHARM KARO YOU CYNICS, in cesspool of Indian corruption a seventy year old man

    there is saying in UP that kala brhmn aur boodha chamar bada kharanak hota hai.praaje hoshiar raheiye ga.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    When we people in J&K talk we talk for entire Kashmir and Jammu. It is like Punjabis saying Ludhiana, jalandhar, ropar etc. For the past 21 years there is been a concentrated movement to change the demography and drive out Non Muslims from Jammu and Kashmir in business and service. This being done through violence and murder as we all know.

    My grandfdather had cloth business in Srinagar and Jammu. Jammu shop still worrking but Srinagar shop forcibly taken over in 1997 after killing all non muslim employee. In such a manner, one by one the entire markets in Sopore,baramula, anantnag, sirnagar etc etc have been emptied out for Non Muslm. Violence and murder is the way terrorists use. People who stay behind are doomed. Except for some sikh in transport business, most shifted especially after Chitisinghpura (anantnag) massacre/

    Now jammu is safer because there is Hindu and RSS resistence out here. Otherwise rawayia of kashmir police wil be same. Terrorists are trying to change demogerpahy of jammu and ladakh. Indians from rest of India cannot buy house here. But people from POK can buy freely.

    Now Srinagar, and rest of valley is clear of hindus, sikhs etc. But in Jammu same forces who drive Non muslims from valley buy land. So they drive us from vally but say we can come here now, while you will not go there. Similarly Ladkah is seeing major religious conversion. Somehow this sad long story of Pakistani terror and collusion by some Indian moles is not being given publicity.

    That is why my anger at the total lies by Ravi and Engrich who keep silent on Pakistani killing in India but keep cursing RSS which is a strong saviour in jammu

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    engrich Reply:

    full of lie.in 1947 jammu was the muslim majority state.u people killed muslims in hundreds of thousands and drove muslims out.communal riots and tense atmosphere breeds ur fascist communal organization
    otherwise u have nothing to offer to people of india,

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  • Ravi

    Manohar

    I do not know what the results of UP elections are likely to be.

    But do you sense that excuses are already being rehearsed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We are neutral who call spade a spade unlike you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have not followed the ground-level politics in UP too closely. Probably it is a race between SP and BSP as the largest party, with no party is likely to get a majority on its own.

    The Congress may become the deciding factor as to who becomes the CM, by giving outside support, but the Congress is known to be a slippery customer in such an arrangement. The moment it feels that its interests are being harmed or it feels that it can win a majority on its own, it will withdraw support. It has done it earlier at the centre too – supporting and dumping Charan Singh in 1979 and Chandra Shekhar in 1991. Rahul Gandhi has put all his energies in UP, it paid dividends in 2009, but it has to be seen whether the upward movement in its support and seats will be maintained in these elections. In case, the script does not work as written, the Congress has an escape route – it has always stated that it is a long haul process to build the party and increase its support base.

    I am not very sure about the BJP. With ‘questionable’ decisions in the last few days it is difficult to know whether it will be factor or not. The induction of tainted discards will probably make a dent in its support base, especially in the urban constituencies (thanks to Team Anna), but may not be so in the rural areas. However, as the corruption has never been a major issue in elections, welcoming Mayawati’s rejects may be a master stroke and the BJP’s will increase its share of vote and seats. If it is a disaster (as its supporters – except one – here too seem to be a very disappointed and despondent lot), it would be because of other factors plaguing the party.

    Mayawati expelling tainted ministers and MLAs is ironic. The ‘tainted’ boss, in trying save his/her skin and wearing a halo of innocence, is giving marching orders to the cronies to leave the den. It is hard to imagine that these alleged wrong doings were going on for nearly 5 years without the blessings of the Behenji and the loot not sent to its rightful destination. The UP Lokayukta does not have the jurisdiction to investigate charges of hanky-panky against the Chief Minister. Where was/is Team Anna?

    Now this is out of the hat. Mayawati throwing out so many ministers/MLAs in a short span of time may be a ploy by her to plant her confidants in the enemy camps, in case they are welcomed by the latter (and they are) to get info as to what is cooking in other kitchens. Whats say?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    Rahul Gandhi’s efforts paid “dividends” in 2009???? Which UP? On some other planet?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-
    Mayawati is street smart, her firing of these ministers is a master stroke.
    Now she will be a real behanji who has been wronged by her bhais.. It will strike a chord with rural UPites.

    UP has to be divided into four or five states if that place has to progress politically and economically.

    And she will win, and she will keep all the lot for herself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree, Mayawati is street smart. Otherwise she would not have won 200+ seats the last time.

    It is to be seen whether the rural voters are still with her.

    Dividing a state is not going to happen in a hurry. The centre has sent back the proposal with queries. The States Reorganisation Commission will have to be constituted, because there are demands from other regions also and that will take its own time.

    Her proposal at the present juncture is a political card at the moment, which she will use to her advantage (no problem with that).

    How do you like the idea of 4 behenjis as CMs?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    They won 20+ seats against 9 in 2004 in state where they were in doldrums for ages. Wasn’t that a good enough for you?

  • Anonymous

    Guys I have harping all along INDIAN AGRICULTURE IS IN STONE AGE , Now here is proof from Gopi’s wonderland in India
    This from Mahesh’s favourite scribe SAINATH
    From an average of six litres a day to 8.5 litres, even as crossbreeds came to account for 87 per cent of Kerala’s cattle.” http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/sainath/article2778130.ece?homepage=true
    NOW FOR MILK PRODUCTION IN UK

    Over the last fifty years, dairy farming has become more intensive to increase the amount of milk produced by each cow. Extreme dairy breeds such as the Holstein-Friesian, the breed most common in the UK, Europe and the USA have been bred to
    produce very high yields of milk. Around 22 litres per day is typical in the UK. The yield in the US is even higher at up to 30 litres per day. Milk production per cow has more than doubled in the past 40 years
    http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/cows/dairy_cows/default.aspx

    LETS HAVE SOME MORE ANASHAN / MORE **** FROM ROTE LEARNERS OF THIS BLOG

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi, Rajeev, Mohan, Praveen Saxenaji, and Pankaj ji,

    on the face of it the BJP’s decision to accept Khushwaha into the party may seem irrational, suicidal and bizarre, but I am sure it has not come about overnight and not without any serious electoral caculations.

    As for Khushwaha’s crimes, most of them are in partnership with Mayawati- and the CBI, as all of you know only too well, has come as a willing hand maid of the congress to “fix” him. The courts may hold Maya equally guilty.

    As for the electoral possibilities, Khushwaha is haivng considerable influence and following among the intermediate (OBC) castes like Khushwahas, Mauryas Sainis etc., which, BJP may well gain from. Uma Bharati, another OBC leader too can work the caste equations.

    However, how the 25% muslim votes get polled and in how many constituencies, will make or mar the elections for the congress and the SP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-

    Even if his inclusion is based on any electoral calculation, (the timing- the next day after his dismissal- points to not much analysis, unless BJP knew the guy was going to be sacked), they should have kept him away. The man is involved in two or three murder cases.

    Yes, UP politics is caste permutations. They should have figured that earlier, persuaded somebody “cleaner” to defect.

    All of this three – four weeks after Advani did his stupid rath yatra on anti-corruption?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Mohan, Vijay Kumar,

    all of us urbanised liberals speak about these things from the standpoint of the media, which is, in the first place is viscerally anti-BJP and churns out reports by the dozens ridiculing the party for admitting Khushwaha.

    Rahul Gandhi has attacked the BJP for the same, saying that he had earlier approached his party. If you recall the instances of how many bahubalis have been admitted by his own party, this instance appears a perfectly normal political activity in UP.

    If you think it over, you will realise that uP and Bihar are still in the 1950s, while the reat of the country has marched on. (of course, Chidambaram could still manipulate the EVMs to get the 4000 votes that made him the winner).

    Therefore, it is rather premature to say that UP has suddenly become modern and bahubalis have ceased to influence election results.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    As I said earlier, BJP saw this as an opportunity and grabbed it. However,
    now the pressure from within the party has increased, which Mr. Gadkari
    did not anticipated. He will either be dropped or will not be given the ticket
    for this election. If not dropped we will see him campaigning in favour
    of BJP candidates in UP. Whether it will be good or bad for BJP will come
    out only after the results.

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  • Anonymous

    Last week Shekhar Gupta had taken the Congress to the cleaners. This week is the turn of the BJP..

    ————

    National Interest: Blunder Janata Party

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-blunder-janata-party/896887/0

    Excerpt – concluding remarks

    Meanwhile, some of the best ideas in governance and reform are coming from the BJP’s own and its allies’ chief ministers. Raman Singh in Chhattisgarh is running a food subsidy scheme so good even supposedly pro-Maoist activists (who otherwise hate his guts) applaud him. Narendra Modi is the most economically progressive chief minister in the country and you can say what you want about his hundred other delinquencies, but can you argue with 24-hour power to all his villages? Nitish has already successfully implemented direct cash transfers to the poorest, a first in India. But the BJP’s high command will not stitch together a proper vision, a national agenda, based on their own vote-catchers’ ideas. The state leaders are, in fact, kept confined where they are. It is only in boredom caused by such smug, vacuous political thinking, where you believe the UPA would simply blunder into handing over power to you, that idiotic ideas like recruiting a Kushwaha, criminalising the eating of beef, blocking retail FDI and pension reform rise. And you keep paying for them.

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    engrich Reply:

    ONLY SONIA GHANDHI AND HER PROGENIES CN SAVE INDIA AND IT INSTITUTION FROM DESTRUCTION.all our national and regional parties are out to destroy our institution.GOOD NEWS,today pundit sukhram has gone to jail.before pundit suresh rao kalmadi met the same fate.she is only leader who has courage to send her ministers to jail.
    indian public is very intelligent.after keeping and hurting india for about a year rss agent anna hazare also resting like wounded tiger.

    sonia jee india needs u.

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  • Anonymous

    Sri Rama Sene disowns youth who hoisted Pak flag in Sindagi

    http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_sri-rama-sene-disowns-youth-who-hoisted-pak-flag-in-sindagi_1634494

    Sindagi, which has survived a shock and saved itself from a possible communal flare-up earlier this week, seems to have gone into introspection. The town elders now started looking at things in a different perspective after the police arrested Hindu fringe group activists for hoisting the Pakistani flag on the administrative headquarters of Sindagi taluk last Sunday.The alleged culprits have been arrested.

    ———–

    Now who was trying to engineer riots?
    When caught, disown them.

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    engrich Reply:

    Pakistan flag in Tipu Sultan Circle

    only sree ram danga sena can do this to get recruits.without danga fasad their stupidities have no taker.

    last year their chief was caught on camera,selling riot againt cash.

    they are curse for india.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Ram Sene has got no credibility in the eyes of the public. They are bunch
    of BHADE KE TATOOS who will work for anyone offering them money.

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  • Anonymous

    Looks like this is the time of suicide wishes..
    BJP takes in this Kushawaha guy……
    Now I read that Musharaff wants Pakistan to have stronger ties with Israel. And he is returning to Pakistan at the end of the month…I bet the ones he trained must be lining up to hit him!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan and Musharaff want to fight the next elections in partnership. What do you have to say to that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran seems to have a following.. my reading is that Mushreff does n+ot have a following; also a large sectio harbours visceral hatred against him…
    I also believe, based on what I have read in Dawn, western press, Imran is a hard core anti-india fundamentalist clad i the modernity of cricket…He will be bad for India. In fact Zardari/gilani was the best as far as India relation is concerned.. If he had a diff army, Zardari would have taken the relationship a long way.

    btw there is a joke about Imran.. as u know his first wife is British/white. When he asked the to be father in law “to give her hands”, it seems the father in law asked him “what crime she has done?”
    Imran is Taliban incarnated, buddy of Zaed and co..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am aware that Imran Khan has been anti-India since the 70s – his grouse – Kashmir.

    Zardari/Gilani best for India! I hope so.

  • Anonymous

    Gopi you are right!

    BJP has lost at least 25 seats ion the Lok Sabha becasue fo Kushawa. Here was a platform to ram Mayawit for corruption. Instead they have chosen to use the corrupt as a mascot for caste vote gathering.

    Very short term, stupid and Congress like.

    Musharraf may of course soon find himself the target of BRHMNCL, zionist hunting Engirch sort of gangs. Good. it will hit Imran Khan also who is ting up with Musharaff.

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  • Anonymous

    Kushwaha’s drama is being telecasted by all the TV channels. I am still
    to see anyone mentioning this person against whom even few FIRs have been registered .

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-01-04/hyderabad/30588528_1_criminal-intimidation-murder-case-local-court

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, this criminal mayor belongs to a party which was called Razakars, before Hyderabad became part of India, and its prresent president is very media friendly, appearing on NDTV and CNN-IBN regularly. So it is undertandable that the mayor is untouched by the media.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Mohan

    I read somewhere the current CEC wanted to bar candidates who have court cases against them. However, it seems, parliament will have to pass this — do you think the “supreme” parliament will go anywhere near that — you have it, corruption, crime all together presiding and discoursing in the so called “august’ “supreme” body

    (this Hyderabad goonda will not be affected anyway because his election to mayor is not under the CEC)..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Shenoy,

    I have problem with the media we have in our country.
    It is not only biased, paid but also selective. If they were little
    bit honest in their reporting and show the news as it is without
    being biased in favor any political party and also not
    being selective of which news should be shown and which should be blocked/ignored, then such people with criminal background would not able to reach such prestigious positions.

  • Anonymous

    Another news which Indian TV channels did not deemed as important.

    Mr. Jethmalani exposes Sanjiv Bhatt, the cop who accused Mr. Modi.

    http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/ips-officer-bhatt-crossed-all-bounds-to-attack-modi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My earlier comment on this juicy subject has diappeared!

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Another secular champion exposed.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    I had posted a joke few days ago which I think you missed. I know there are
    better things to do than visiting this blog specially for a bachelor. Now since
    you have asked me, here is this for you.

    A man died. One of his friend went to his wife, offered condolence and asked her
    ‘ can I take his place ? ‘. The lady replied ‘ why not, but you have ask the people
    who manage the cemetery ‘

    ,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Priceless !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Thanks. I was expecting you would tell us ‘boring married people’
    what interesting things keep you away from this blog?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now now now…. this blog is U not A !!

    but honestly it is just meeting some good friends… :)
    And of course tennis and yoga
    a bit of writing
    and news and films…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    And most honestly… I am part of a team working on a R&D project which works on combinign biophysics with engineering… well so after hours from my regular construciton work gets me on the net and thus I switch between blogging and working on the medical info…

    Sounds crazy !

    Pankaj Reply:

    Mohan;
    just one question, you write these jokes after drinks or before drinks. Many creative people were at their best only after imbibing some.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Between the drinks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Maine suna thaa ki between drinks, mixture- fixture, ande-shande hote hain?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Then you must revisit sholay. Drinks ke beech… Helen ka dance… aur mehbooba mehbooba bhi ho sakta hai…

    Pankaj Reply:

    Drinks ke beech ande -SANDE hote suna hai. shakepere said it increases the desire but decreases the performance.

  • Anonymous

    This joke is only for the believers:

    A man is talking to God.

    man: “God, how long is a million years?”
    God: “To me, it’s about a minute.”
    man: “God, how much is a million dollars?”
    God: “To me it’s a penny.”
    man: “God, may I have a penny?”
    God: “Wait a minute.”

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Aap ke sher or jokes both are classy. Even the beggar, up there in photograph has has more than two meanings.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj ji,

    ‘hum urdu na likh sakte hain na padh sakhte hain
    lekin thoda kuch samjh sakte hain”
    .
    Yeh sher aap ke liye:

    khuda ko bhool gaye log fikr-e-rozi main,
    Rizak ka khyal hai, raazak ko bhool gaaye

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Beautiful sher.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    This is the beauty of poetry. every one can interpret in so many ways. Sher bada mauju tha.

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  • Anonymous

    Mamta hasstated boldly “Congress can leave the alliance if they want”..

    She is really positioning to claim a big bargain whoever she goes with…

    However, will she still have the 30 plus MPs in the next LS election?

    Why is she contesting in UP? Is it to get a estimate of her support or to spoil congress?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The war has begun – it seems.

    Cong to Mamata: We are not here to fulfill your wishes

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-to-Mamata-Banerjee-We-are-not-here-to-fulfill-your-wishes/articleshow/11403716.cms

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi

    Women, especially single women are difficult to handle… as alliance partners. Now don’t all of us know that !

    Now do you think Maywati or jaya would give an easy time in a coalition ! :)

    The BJP has already tasted the bitter apple of an alliance with jaya and Maya. Maya promised that she would vacate the CM’s seat after 30 months and let BJP rule. She reneged.

    And jaya kept them waitign att the president’s house.

    Well in case anybody is planning to get a government with Maya, Jaya and Mamta as partners… He’d better by all the blood pressure pills available in the market.

    We guys will have plenty of blogging material… and maybe Shenoy will have enough material to write a poetic saga, Kalidas style on teen deviayan !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Ya, these women draw circles around the men..
    In a way it is commentable that about 40% of India is “governed” (?) by women. In fact, with women early onto education/professions etc in kerala (first high court justice, first chief engineer, first woman (and muslim) supreme cort justice, and many women legislators in the early assemblies) I thought Kerala would produce the first woman CM.. but it was not to be, because of the gender/caste bias of the marxists – the legitimate and well respected leader of Marxists after EMS death was a woman, KR Gowri, but they sidelined her.

    I am viewing Jaya with admiration. She has handled herself very well in the last nine months. Extremely intelligent, quite capable, decisive; she will be a key player in the next LS. My tea leaves say that she will eb above the fray for she is now for her legacy, knowing well that age is catching up (she is young compared to many others, only 62 or 63). She wants glorious paragraphs in Indian history; she will work for that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I concur with your views on Ms.Jaya Lalitha.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Knowing a bit of pyschology, the only person who could control these tempremental single women would be either widower Nitish or bachelor modi. Rest will run aorund in circles.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Vijay Kumar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan

    I want to leave this this world at 90 with all my hair intact…. and not lose them in 90 days…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I can always lend you some of my wigs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx… will need them also becasue the markets are in a tizzy !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you have a blue one?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Modi and Jaya are good friends; each admiring what the other has been able to accomplish

    Anonymous Reply:

    You got it all wrong. There is no ‘maai kaa laal’ who will be to control these formidable ladies. If they agree to something (like extending support), it will be at a very huge cost and expense, make no mistake about that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    well it will be like a woman asking for diamonds every week… as Mamta is proving.

    Then they will start comparing who got how much. If Jaya gets a package for her state… Maya would want double…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    Gowri Thomas had a formidable reputation and agreat presence.

    So was Kamla Das, the on-again, off-again Muslim convert poet and novelist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay, the eligible bachelor of this blog and his expertise on women. (: (:

    I wish I could draw smiling faces.

    Some charm of this blog is lost because of this horrible Discuss.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Vijay reneging on promises is as old as humanity. In a famous olympic marathon race, two friends had agreed to take a ‘water break’ towards the end. One of them however sprinted thru, did not stop and won the race by a whisker.
    On being scolded by the one who stopped, the victor replied- I PREFER THE TASTE OF CHAMPAGNE TO WATER’
    haha- Mayawati likes the taste of champagne now

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gud one ! But I hope Mayawati tastes water for a change !! And she does seem to be sufferign from water retention too !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    this is real humour in chaddi.

    May not be khaki, may be sportsmen’s chaddi, but humour is great.

    Vajapayee, the bachelor with a romantic heart, had to contend with Mamta, Samta and J’lalitha, but was scorned only by the southern siren of old.

    The trick Maya played on the BJP was repeated in Karnataka by Deve Gowda & Sons Pvt.Ltd. with Yeddy. You can imagine why Yeddy became a corrupt.

    Rumour has it that he was singing the Amanush song:

    dil aisa kisine mera toda
    barbaadi ki taraf aisa moda.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Whatever I try, but in my heart I believe that I will never be
    able to beat you in humour.

    You are just too good.

    Ravi Reply:

    अपनी किस्मत का में खुद मुख्तिआर हूँ
    कामयाबी हो या बर्बादी, में तय्यार हूँ

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Perfect.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are doing fine with your rib tickling jokes, which we all like. Keep it that way.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Empresses’ (especially single) do not play second fiddle. They do not go visiting. Others (however mighty) have to wait outside their abodes for an audience. If lucky, one gets a ‘dekko’.

    Heavens forbid, if any party at the centre is compelled to take the support of all three.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    All the doctors on this site will be in business whenver the three ladies become part of a single coalition…

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  • Dr Mishra

    HUMOUR ON BLOG”””””””””’

    Mohan and Shenoy, good jokes thanks.

    But the best extempore cutting humour on this blog comes from the 3 ‘oldies’- Mr Shenoy, Sardar Balwinder and surprisingly engrich- I know I will lose some friends here when I say the last name but he does sneak some cheeky one liners at people.

    And praaji, sorry, but engrich has shot a few barbs at you and you have been silent, haha.

    And sorry Mahesh- dont shoot the messenger- but Balwinder’s one liner at you was vintage punjabi- ‘Mahesh, less of this arrogance, Sardar Patel took away royal priveleges’ Priceless praaji

    And fox hunting may have been banned in the UK, but on this blog fox hunting of RAVI has now become a weekly phenomenon. Last week he said banning Valentine cards was like Taleban blowing up girls schools, and this week he felt Fida Hussain’s predicament made us as bad as Ayotallah’ death sentences on Rushdie.

    The way Balwinder and Shenoy hunted him down with earthy humour was almost cruel to watch- the end result is always the same- Ravi falls in a trap, ends up trussed up upside down as youngsters like Ishwar or Aloke said the obvious- your sense of freedom ends when it reaches my nose.

    Priceless, this blog should come with a health warning. Ravi, I think on humanitarian grounds I will take you diving for free to Sharm

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    While you were away the quality of this blog improved a lot. Partly because of your absence and largely because New (old) people re-joined the blog.

    Among them is Vinay.

    I guess you missed the following post of his. It speaks very highly of you.

    ———————————


    @Balwinder,
    Thanks for your welcome note. I have visited this blog several times in the gap, but have controlled my itch to reply.

    Few clarifications: Me getting irritated by Ravi – No. I usually don’t get irritated. In fact, I have thanked him. He made me look back towards my culture, about which I had hardly bothered before. But yes, I have had disagreement with his opinions. I will continue to have, which is a different issue.

    Now bringing in the topic of Hussein’s paintings. I feel, it was not necessary. Most of the people are rewinding the same tape.

    I have said earlier, in this virtual environment it is better if people discuss about opinions of an individual rather than identity of him.

    I have also read, you and Dr. Mishra suggesting Ravi hounded Rizwan out of the blog and he is trying to do the same with another guy Pervez. Whatever I have witnessed, they are discussing, agreeing and disagreeing with some. I do not know what is the basis for your inference. Or may be, I have not read all the exchanges between them. But in the case of Rizwan, my answer is definite NO. In fact, I remember you challenging Rizwan’s patriotism (in Zia’s blog) just because he was not arguing with Ravi. He said he was hurt by your allegation and just to score some points from you, he argued. The person who kept bringing in circumcision and pulling Rizwan down as living on father’s money was NOT Ravi. I am not bothered whom this post will favour. I am just saying the plane truth.

    Like
    Reply
    01/04/2012 12:55 PM

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    I think it puts your ability to recall what I said and what I did not say and to make honest judgements about what I say, into perspective.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ THE ANNA EFFECT ! MORE HONEST POLITICIANS WANTED !!~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Vinod Sharmaji,

    Many of us on this blog and outside on the roads believed that the Anna effect will surely start changing India for the better. I will not take Anna for his views on VAT 69, Kiran Bedi for making me wait outside a disco in Chandigarh, Prahsant Bhushan for his love of Arundhati and kejriwal for his views on Shakespeare — if he has any.

    But I and crores of us will bow in respect for starting this anti corruption movement.

    The effects can be seen NOW…

    The BJP has been forced to drop the tainted Kushawa like he was stale vomit !

    The ever corrupt Mayawati is throwing the supercorrupt from her party ! !

    Even SP, the abode of crimanls has dumped Amar Singh and REFUSED entry to Crime Don D P Yadav… who was their blood brother once ! ! !

    yeh revolution kaun laya?
    Anna Anna Anna !!

    Yeh nay soch kaise aayee ??
    Anna mere bhai, Anna mere bhai !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I believe this Anna story is not dead. They will reconvene, will get their act
    together, rejuvenate and come back strongly with better and workable
    plan. Their next movement will be much stronger and hopefully will come
    out winner . They still have lot of good wishes and contribution from the people
    who believe in their cause.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    I hope it does not end. Corruption is the huge thing which separates us from the first world. Anna was the big hope. Ohersiwe it is business as usual..

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    Ravi Reply:

    The super corrupt has submerged with the supra corrupt just as आत्मा merges with प्रमात्मा

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-
    good one

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  • Pankaj

    An interesting article from T.N. Ninan in Business Standard from the perspective of ideological divide of both sides.
    http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/do-gooder-economicsthe-lokpal/460973/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Very good article. The writer has hit the nail on the head of the problems ailing
    India. Most of the bloggers here have always being saying that the policies
    Of congress are the real problems of our country. But, even if there is a change
    in the government those policies cannot be scrapped overnight. It has to be
    done gradually. Meanwhile, to control the corruption, strong Lokpal is required.
    Though it will not eradicate the corruption completely from the system, but will have some effect. Something better then nothing.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Agree, Mohan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj & Mohan

    Haven’t I have maintained for several months that Team Anna and their supporters have been barking (pardon the expression) up the wrong tree?

    I have also written against the subsidies in the petroleum sectors.
    So much of the subsidised kerosene apart fro adulterating petrol and diesel is smuggled to neighbouring countries, especially to Pakistan. There has to be a better system of extending subsidies to the poor.

    Ninan has mentioned scams in other sectors too.

    The solutions to set correct the distortions and reduce corruption lie elsewhere. Does the Government (never mind of which party or ideology) have the will to set them right? I do not think so.

    (Please do not take this as a self-congratulatory post).

    Sharad Pawar wants the NREGA to be suspended during harvest season. No one is prepared to listen to him. He has expressed doubts about the proposed Food Security Bill. Here too no one is paying attention to what he has to say.

    Lokpal in any form and with whatsoever powers will be corruption ridden bureaucracy too. Moreover it will never be able to reach all the corners of India to be able to prevent or reduce corruption.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Manohar;
    Yes, I myself have doubt about the even 80% effectiveness of Lokpal, but it was the idea and courage with which he put it forward, that now Indian society is more sensitive to gross corruptions and as mentioned before, in this blog, even political parties are hesitant to hobnob openly with corrupts. I welcome this awakening in Indian society.

    engrich Reply:

    anna movement t was an rss attack on our parliamentry system of democracy.our constitution can deal with corruption.the question is of will.i think soniajee is doing good job we all should support her.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I suppose that would one fringe benefit from the movement. Period.

    engrich Reply:

    devil u know is better than angel u dont know.yedurappa and madhu koda.

    attack on parliament anf akhshayadam were planned and carried out by ANVANI.why they dont happen now.bjp thinks that indians are fool.

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  • Ravi

    The passing of Stephen Bidve

    Last week the News Papers in the UK were full with pictures of Neville and Doreen Lawrence, the parents of Stephen Lawrence. He was murdered 18 years ago by a racist gang of white youths and his parents had to wait all that time to obtain justice for their dead son.

    This week the papers in the UK have been full of parents of Anuj Bidve, as they visit the UK to pay their homage to their beloved son, at the site where another racist gang of white youths gunned him down just after Xmas. This time one hopes that Yogini Bidve and Subhash Bidve will have to wait less than 18 moths to witness the killer of their son brought to justice.

    Whilst the memorial stone placed at the spot where Stephen Lawrence fell, is regularly defiled, at least, for now candles burn bright where Anuj fell. What will happen to his memorial stone – if one was ever erected for him – can only be speculated.

    If the progress the English society has made, in the 18 years that separate these two murders is anything to go by, then one would imagine that Anuj’s stone will remain an unmolested memory of this bright Indian, who was needlessly murdered by a deranged individual.

    May god provide both sets of parents the strength to bear their pain in dignity, and to behold these two un-fulfilled souls and grant them eternal salvation in heaven.

    कल्ले आये नानका सद्दे ही उठ जाए

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ravi-

    I read somewhere about an analysis/survey done; mainly among western population about perception of numbers, percentages etc. people i UK overestimated the number/impact of immigration, (more than belgium, france, Germany, Ireland), with only Italy and Spain overestimating even more than UK. Part of the study implied that when “natives” see more foreigners, they assume that there are really more foreigners living in the country than what really is; and no amount of statistics will change their mind. With or without info, approx 50% believes immigrannts undermine cultural life; 65% believe they take more services, 50% believe immigration should be reduced.

    I am sure these perceptions contributed to Anuj’s murder.

    However, I cannot see something like this happening in India, say when Indian economy goes thru stratosphere and westerners start migrating to India ( a big if). I do not think Indians will harbour any dislike/dilution to westerners; however they may not like Africans to migrate because the colour “blindness” we have.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    A few years ago I went to see a test match between Zimbabwe and India, at the Froze Shah Kotla Grounds.

    I will leave the rest to your imagination.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Ravi

    We have still not got rid of the stigma of caste ism completely – though it has reduced a lot – and now this. Racism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is one word – hate. It manifests itself due to various factors – caste (perhaps unique to India only), race, religion, ideology, etc. and it is not going to go away.

  • Anonymous

    @ Mohan

    Now since you asked me the question, on how I spend the time here is one song, which is old but young which sums up my feelings…. and those of so many others.

    Poochho na kaise maine rain bitaai
    Ik pal jaise, ik yug beeta – 2
    Yug beete mohe neend na aayi
    Poochho na kaise…

    (Na kahi chanda, na kahi taare
    Jyot ke pyaase mere, nain bichaare) – 2
    Bhor bhi aas ki kiran na laayi
    Poochho na kaise…

    Ik jale deepak ik man mera… mera… man… mera… mera …
    Ik jale deepak ik man mera
    Phir bhi na jaaye mere ghar ka andhera
    Tadpat tarsat umar gawaayi
    Poochho na kaise…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You have chosen a perfect and a very good song.
    Enjoy your life till you get married.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi,

    Here is a heart warming article in Sunday Times Of India on the maker of the film DAM999. You must read it.

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIBG/2012/01/08&PageLabel=39&EntityId=Ar03900&ViewMode=HTML

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Good article.
    Let us hope that this movie will win the Oscars.

    By the way what are your views on this controversial topic ?

    Also would love to read Gopiji’s view on this subject.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    I want the two state governments and the centre to put their heads together and try to reduce the tensions first, and then entrust the job of finding out the technical safety aspects to an international experts committee.

    If there is even 30% risk in continuing with the existing structure, a new dam should be built immediately.

    At no cost a disaster of gigantic proportions should be allowed to happen.

    I also want eminent personalities like Rajani Sir, Mohan Lal, Mammooty etc. to join the issue to cool tempers on both sides.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy

    Right on the mark.

    Only in India we will debate something like this, literally to “death”.

    We, unlike Westerners, do not care for human lives.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I have always wondered why this immensley talented
    actor Mohan Lal has been overlooked by Hindi film
    industry. Just yesterday I was watching the rerun of
    the movie Company by Ram Gopal Verma. Very impressive
    performance from this actor.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    MohanLal undoubtedly is a thespian of Indian/Malayalam movie/stage.
    A busy man he is, but he took time away a few years ago to stage a Sanskrit play – a theatrical production of Bhasa’s “karna Bharam” (the anguish of Karna).. It was a wonderfully done play; I had the unique privilege to see that play, and see this great artist’s performance in flesh nd blood.

    Try seeing his “kireedam’ and “Vanaprastham” .. Quite probably there are subtitles so you can follow.. In any case, you dont have to know the language to appreciate great movies..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Though I do not understand Malyali language,
    I will try to see the movies you have mentioned.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Mohan-

    I, for one, cannot believe the two states will have disagreements like this as if they are two entirely different countries with two entirely different cultural ancestries, say China and India.

    The worse is that nobody, neither the two states, nor the centre is doing anything about it.. This is like the never ending Lokpal discussions, however in this case the possibility of huge life loss- 5 to 6 million people – exists.

    The dam is quite old, 120 years or so; so it requires strengthening, it requires water level maintenance in the catchment area etc. Instead of treating it as a structural engineering issue (Viju’s specialty), it is treated as a political issue. Between the two, my sense is Kerala is playing politics, and is using fear as a weapon.

    One rumour in the state is that a new dam is a huge money making opportunity for politicians in the state — they “missed” on mining, spectrum etc….

    There is another rumour that the controversy is raised by Christians of the district (Idukki) to discourage Tamilians and Andhrites visiting Sabarimalai for pilgrimage, that they will not visit if there was a fear of dam bursting and flooding; they cross to kerala around that vicinity to visit/worship at Sabarimalai.

    There is a potential danger; the dam has to be structurally strengthened, and until then water level has to be lowered. The CMs of Kerala and TN have to work this out without delay. Some sort of subsidy should be given to TN farmers if they are affected by lower water level.

    Issuing statements and sending letters to each other is not the way to solve this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Shenoy

    Thanks vm.

    I hope in the end better sense will prevail and all parties
    will come to solution which is not only beneficial to both
    states but also will guarantee the safety of the dam.

    Pankaj Reply:

    Mohan;
    any party which is opposing corrective action just for the sake of votes, ignoring technical/scientific advise, should be accountable for genocide and tried in the court of law. Not in the court of people(election) only.
    This is accountability for politicians.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    100% agree with you.

  • Anonymous

    @Ravi, manoharT, MohanR, Gopi, et al
    The PASSING OF ANUJ BIDHWEY
    Guys I had posted a detailed response , but HT’s server being a poor one , for strange reason it appeared on my computer , but when I checked next , it had vanished
    Guys you can take my word as the last word on Racism in White World.
    Now where to start.
    History is very important.
    People only talk about Nazi’s exterminating jews , completely oblivious that most of the jews in Britain was exterminated during the reign of Edward the first , few that escaped went underground, the CRYPTO JEWS.
    Also this country is pioneer in SLAVE TRADE(though jews in spain were also big middlemen). The Church in Bristol celebrated the election of a patron of the church , a RICH SLAVE TRADER who got elected as an MP , by clapping the bell in full force for a long time.
    Also this country colonised HALF THE EARTH.
    Churchill , a thoroughbred racist , is worshipped in this country LIKE BIN LADEN BY AL QUAIDA.
    Given this background , it is not surprising there is racism.
    I remember when I first arrived in this country a well meaning senior consultant used to remark casually THAT’S A BIT IRISH, meaning STUPID.
    I am told in 50’s and early 60’s there used to be sign boards in front of houses to be let , DOGS AND IRISH NOT WELCOME.
    @Ravi , A lot of self flagellation is going on in the media at the moment as to how ENGLAND HAS CHANGED following the crusade of the murdered black teenager Stephen Lawrence’s , mother Doreen Lawrence.
    Sorry , WITHOUT LABOUR PARTY COMING TO POWER NOTHING OF THIS CHANGE WOULD HAVE EVER COME. If Tories were in power Doreen would had to drown her sorrow in tears , and nothing else on the ground would have happened.
    (A BIT LIKE BJP IN POWER in centre , NO ENQUIRY ON GUJRAT RIOT)
    Labour instituted the famous MCPHERSON ENQUIRY.
    Lord Mcpherson concluded in unequivocal language “BRITAIN IS A RACIST COUNTRY”What is most interesting is the enormous number of HATE MAIL HE RECEIVED. Recently Ken Mcdonald , Ex director of Public prosecution , wrote in The Times “I remember hearing crusty voice at the bar at that time , Mcpherson has gone native”
    The problem is that not many people are aware that BRITAIN HAS A HUGE UNDERCLASS, whose non material life is worse than a beggar in India.
    ALSO BARRING HOUSING CLOTHING HEALTH AND FOOD , THEY HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AND SHUNNED BY THE SOCIETY AT LARGE.
    Due to STRICT HOUSING PATTERN, these people are holed in GOVT ESTATES(which to anyone from India would look better than what a middle class can afford in India) like a GULAG OR A CONCENTRATION CAMP. Due to the class structure , there is no mixing with MIDDLE CLASS. Though I must concede the girls are incredibly pretty , once you take away the jalebi size earrings and nose stubs, in contrast to english upper class women , who all are flat chested , little femininity.
    These people dont have religion to turn to , they vent their frustration with racist violence. ALSO FOR GENERATIONS IT HAS BEEN DRUMMED INTO THEIR EARS BY THE MEDIA AND POPULAR ARTS , THAT ALL FOREIGNERS ARE INFERIOR AND HATING FOREIGNERS IS A MARK OF PATRIOTISM.
    THIRTY THOUSAND INDIAN STUDENT COME EACH YEAR TO UK TO STUDY(some are fake like the balwinder biradri and govt is clamping hard on them)
    One can understand young age , one like to enjoy with late night party , but they need to be aware the confines of four wall is very very safe , THE STREET IS DEFINITELY NOT. I remember had to operate on a patient that went on for some time , by the time I finished it was late . Knowing that part of London , I took a taxi all the way to my home in Kent. Cost me 100 pound.
    Despite all that BRITAIN IS STILL THE MOST TOLERANT AND OPEN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, try living in Japan , or spain or Denmark even Germany, and we should not forget about BHAIYYA BASHING BY SHIV SENA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan-

    Is there any terror-connection? Several Pakistani-British young men were arrested during last year in Birmingham, Bristol, London etc; — Does the average white man see every brown youngster as a terrorist with Pakistani roots?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ShoebK, Sadly 90% of british population are totally ignorant about GEOGRAPHY, to them any non white is a **** , terrorist or not.
    I am trying to build an extension to my house , my stupid architect(not really architect ,more of an draughtsman, I had previously employed a reputed one from London, but his design with glass and timber cladding was deemed not suitable in a conservation area where i live ) said India that is where all are Muslims!!!!
    I remember the operating dept assistant from Kenya , a hindu clean shaven punjabi shouted at just aftermath of London Bombing “**** GO HOME”
    There is a very interesting passage in Patrick French’s India , A portrait of BillionPeople.
    Deep in the hinterland of gujrat , patrick comes across a hindu gujrati .
    After knowing he is from england , he says his son works in Birmingham. Turns out the son sneaks in time to time , does odd jobs and then when going gets touch , he is back to gujrat.
    The father asked “WHY PEOPLE IN ENGLAND CALL HIM **** , HE IS NOT FROM PAKISTAN”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan-
    Makes sense.
    But has the widely televised arrests of “brown” youngsters created further animosity to an already existing racial hatred?

    I just got back from US, I visit there often; I have not experienced any racial (or Muslim) prejudice so far. Part of it may be due to the generally positive coverage of India on TV, plus the presence of respected Indian personalities in the media.

    engrich Reply:

    The father asked “WHY PEOPLE IN ENGLAND CALL HIM **** , HE IS NOT FROM PAKISTAN

    we are so similar.

    engrich Reply:

    The US has taken an initiative to spread the counter-extremist message across Pakistan to prevent the breeding of extremism and to deradicalise militants who were completely taken by the jihadist ideology — which is a tough battle becausePakistan is, perhaps, the only country where the state, with funding from US andSaudi Arabia, financed and trained jihadis to fight Soviet Russia and did nothing todeprogram the mujahideen after the war was over

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your people destroyed the sculptures of Kushan empire… smashing all the Budha sculptures

    engrich Reply:

    u people destroyed entire budhist civilization in india.put 52 ginni for the head of bodh bhikshu.kashi mathura and ayodhya were budhdhist places.this is history.budha statues damaged by taliban is repaired,when u will rebuilt babri mosque,which is longest feather in the cap of rss.while anna is latest.

    engrich Reply:

    If the al Qaeda poster boy, Dr. Fadl, can take a U-turn in the jail and write a book titled “Rationalising Jihad in Egypt and the World” that shattered the extremist ideology, it gives cause to believe that rehabilitation is possible no matter how brainwashed the person is.

    Saudi Arabia has been running terrorist rehabilitation programs for ex-Guantanamo detainees. And the kingdom officials claim to have 80 per cent success rate. However, they have enormous resources and are seemingly committed to make a change as well.

    But in Pakistan, initiatives to counter-violent extremism pose a difficulty when the subject starts to question the legitimacy of the program

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    There are many issues on which hatred (many times accompanied by violence and vandalism) rears its (ugly) head. Religion, race, caste (unique to India I suppose), ideology, language and any issue a person can find. It is not going to go away.

    The question is – is there less or more hatred across the world today than say it was 20 or 50 years ago?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    There is less violence in the world today compared to 500 years ago, 1000 years ago, and of course 50 years ago.
    It would have been zero if Muslim terrorism was not there. And of course, USA unilateralism/misadventures created its share of violence too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Raju

    Zero hatred, if there was no Muslim terrorism and no USA’s misadventures! You must be joking. Are you?

    Ravi Reply:

    If you remove the two Atomic Bombs.

    Four genocides.

    One Holocaust

    Then the hypothesis of Mr S Singh may well be true.

    engrich Reply:

    what about bomb planting bussines of abhinav bharat.

  • Anonymous

    DONKEY MORON IMBECILE CINGULATE DR SHAN
    _________________________________________(________________
    first revel in his arrogance, he says “you can take my word as last word on …”
    Then the cretin says with breathtaking stooopidity, that poor in Uk has a non material life worse than beggars in India.
    Ashole forgets to mention that poor in Uk has central heated flat with cooker and washing machine, and free coronary bypass and free education for kids.
    Yes you monkey Dr Shan beggars and suicidal farmers in India have nice non material life. They love itwhen 100 million poor in India have NO CLEAN DRINKING WATER and get hepetitits and cholera, unheard of in Uk.
    Your ARROGANCE IS ONLY MATCHED BY YR LONG POSTS FULL OF VOMIT AND LIES.
    DR CINGULATE SHAN, really a doctor ???? Most ridiculed man on blog

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For more than 24 hours, the blog did not see any abuse and Pankaj & I had hoped that people here would refrain from doing so from now onwards, then you come along and ………………

    Disgusting.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear manohar, u will notice I hv never abused even engrich, whom most hate. Cos woh dil ka bura nahin hai. But shan, despite being a doctor, has called others all vulgarities including dick, dickhead, arseehole, calling both Ravi and Rizwan circumcised kattuay, and YOU WERE SILENT ON THAT . WHY?
    All I did was call hom donkey and cretin, on the basis of what he said, notice no vulgarity, anf you got disturbed. ???
    Lets get one thing clear, yr arogant attitude is disgusting as is the 100 BORING POSTS you make every week. For a man who revels in using disgusting phrase like Hindu rate of growth, displays more yt disgusting smarmy personality. Shut up before u ever take a swipe at me again

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    Considering that you yourself have proclaimed that your horizons are limited to Agriculture and Double Glazing, no wonder you find Manohar’s well written, researched, considered and surprisingly balanced posts – boring.

    Let me assure you, that you are in a minority there.

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    engrich Reply:

    ravi bhi,jab tak mishrajee nahin aate, inka yahee hal rahega.enjoy following on u tube,

    UFOs Over London BBC Radio 1 Building

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    you have proved that jihadis and congressi troll are thick as thieves.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    If you see one abuser/label maker, the other is not far behind. It is always a tango. There is a third one also, must be just round the corner.

    Ravi Reply:

    For a nano second I thought that Vinay’s post may have stopped all this.

    Alas no such luck.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought I had responded to a reasonable and an intelligent person, alas my bad luck thanks to a disgusting phrase – Hindu Rate of Growth and my 100 boring posts per week.

    Have a nice day.

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  • Anonymous

    CHALLA (means THICKO) Balls Bhondhu, HAS GONE POTTY, perhaps this may be the raeson
    “THIRTY THOUSAND INDIAN STUDENT COME EACH YEAR TO UK TO STUDY(some are fake like the balwinder biradri and govt is clamping hard on them)”
    ALSO CHALLA CANNOT READ , THUS HIS RANTS , again here is the proof
    ALSO BARRING HOUSING CLOTHING HEALTH AND FOOD , THEY HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AND SHUNNED BY THE SOCIETY AT LARGE.
    Due to STRICT HOUSING PATTERN, these people are holed in GOVT ESTATES(which to anyone from India would look better than what a middle class can afford in India)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok, cingulate, I will stop calling you imbecile, JUST EXPLAIN HOW YOU SAY THAT BRITISH POOR HAS A WORSE non material life than Indian beggar
    In what bloody way. You donkey. Pl explain

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  • Anonymous

    Now Rashtriya Lok Dal ( R L D) who have made an alliance with Congress
    to fight an election in UP has inducted two ministers and given them ticket,
    whom BSP had suspended.
    All political parties are same ..
    Hamam mein sab nange hain.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/RLD-gives-election-tickets-to-two-suspended-BSP-ministers/articleshow/11413750.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Agree.

    Is there no way a party can contest elections without the tainted candidates?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    it is like the IPL auctions.

    After the big names of bahubalis have been taken up by the big players, small time pickpockets, rapists, swindlers etc are left for the players like RLD, RJD, Apna Dal, Mera Gaon-Mera Desh, Jai Kisan party etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Perfect comparrison.

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  • Anonymous

    Mother of all appeasement—

    CEC has postponed the Feb 4th round of polling in UP due to the date uncertainties regarding the Barawafat festival!

    Birthdays, even of the Prophet, are not celebrated; it really is stooping to the lowest level …

    Congress will attract Muslim votes – because they are willing to postpone an important exercise as elections to accommodate the religious sensitivities.

    This is beyond “laughable’..

    Yup, tell me CEC is independent; UPA does not give it hints!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Problem is not that political parties regularly come up with appeasement policies and now this change of the election dates. Problem is that most of the voters fall in such traps. Education is the key .

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Didn’t you know that not even a bird in this country can flutter its wings ‘without’ a hint from the mother of all parties Congress and its first family? ;-)

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Congress and TMC are fighting over renaming of a building – Indira Bhavan – in Kolkatta. Here is the lift of the buildings, airports, government schemes
    having names from Nehru and Gandhi family.

    (((Central Government Schemes))))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi Grameen Vidyutikaran Yojana, Ministry of Power
    2. Rajiv Gandhi National Drinking Water Mission (RGNDWM)
    3. Rajiv Gandhi National Crèche Scheme
    4. Rajiv Gandhi Udyami Mitra Yojana
    5. Indira Awas Yojana, Ministry of
    Rural Areas and Environment
    6. Indira Gandhi National Old Age Pension Scheme
    7. Jawaharlal Nehru Urban Renewal Mission, Ministry of Urban
    8. Jawaharlal Nehru Rojgar Yojna
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Shramik Kalyan Yojna
    10. Indira Gandhi Canal Project, Funded by World Bank
    11. Rajiv Gandhi Shilpi Swasthya Bima Yojana,
    12. Indira Vikas Patra

    (((State Government Schemes)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi Rehabilitation Package
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Social Security Scheme for poor people
    3. Rajiv Ratna Awas Yojna
    4. Rajiv Gandhi Prathamik Shiksha Mission , Raigarh
    5. Rajiv Gandhi Shiksha Mission, Madhya Pradesh
    6. Rajiv Gandhi Mission on Food Security , Madhya Pradesh
    7. Rajiv Gandhi Mission on Community Health, Madhya Pradesh
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Rural Housing Corporation Limited (a Govt Company)
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Tourism Development Mission, Rajasthan
    10. Rajiv Gandhi Computer Literacy Programme, Assam
    11. Rajiv Gandhi Swavlamban Rojgar Yojana, Govt. of NCT of Delhi
    12. Rajiv Gandhi Mobile Aids Counseling and Testing Services
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Vidyarthi Suraksha Yojana, Maharashtra
    14. Rajiv Gandhi Mission for Water Shed Management, M.P.
    15. Rajiv Gandhi Food Security Mission for Tribal Areas, MP
    16. Rajiv Gandhi Home for Handicapped, Pondicherry
    17. Rajiv Gandhi Breakfast Scheme, Pondicherry
    18. Rajiv Gandhi Akshay Urja Divas, Punjab
    19. Rajiv Gandhi Artisans Health and Life Insurance Scheme, Tamil Nadu
    20. Rajiv Gandhi Zopadpatti and Nivara Prakalpa, Mumbai
    21. Rajiv Arogya Sri programme , Gujrat State Govt. Scheme
    22. Rajiv Gandhi Abhyudaya Yojana, AP
    23. Rajiv Gandhi Computer Saksharta Mission, Jabalpur
    24. Rajiv Gandhi Bridges and Roads Infrastructure Development Haryana
    25. Rajiv Gandhi Gramin Niwara Prakalp, Maharashtra Govt.
    26. Indira Gandhi Utkrishtha Chhattervritti Yojna Himachal Pradesh
    27. Indira Gandhi Women Protection Scheme, Maharashtra Govt.
    28. Indira Gandhi Prathisthan, Housing and Urban Planning, UP Govt
    29. Indira Kranthi Patham Scheme, Andhra Pradesh
    30. Indira Gandhi Nahar Pariyojana, State Govt. Scheme
    31. Indira Gandhi Vruddha Bhumiheen Shetmajoor Anudan Yojana, Maharashtra
    32. Indira Gandhi Nahar Project (IGNP), Jaisalmer, Govt. of Rajasthan
    33. Indira Gandhi Niradhar Yojna, Govt. of Maharashtra
    34. Indira Gandhi kuppam, State Govt. Welfare Scheme for Tsunami
    35. Indira Gandhi Drinking Water Scheme-2006, Haryana Govt.
    36. Indira Gandhi Niradhar Old, Landless, Destitute women Maharashtra Govt.
    37. Indira Gandhi Women Protection Scheme , Maharashtra Govt.
    38. Indira Gaon Ganga Yojana, Chattisgarh
    39. Indira Sahara Yojana , Chattisgarh
    40. Indira Soochna Shakti Yojana, Chattisgarh
    41. Indira Gandhi Balika Suraksha Yojana , HP
    42. Indira Gandhi Garibi Hatao Yojana (DPIP), MP
    43. Indira Gandhi super thermal power project , Haryana Govt.
    44. Indira Gandhi Water Project, Haryana Govt.
    45. Indira Gandhi Sagar Project, Bhandara District Gosikhurd Maharashtra
    46. Indira Jeevitha Bima Pathakam, AP Govt
    47. Indira Gandhi Priyadarshani Vivah Shagun Yojana, Haryana Govt.
    48. Indira Mahila Yojana Scheme, Meghalaya Govt
    49. Indira Gandhi Calf Rearing Scheme, Chhattisgarh Govt.
    50. Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Vivah Shagun Yojana, Haryana Govt.
    51. Indira Gandhi Calf Rearing Scheme, The government of Andhra
    52. Indira Gandhi Landless Agriculture Labour scheme, Maharashtra Govt.

    (((Sports/ Tournaments/ Trophies)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi Gold Cup Kabaddi Tournament
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Sadbhavana Run
    3. Rajiv Gandhi Federation Cup boxing championship
    4. Rajiv Gandhi International tournament (football)
    5. NSCI – Rajiv Gandhi road races, New Delhi
    6. Rajiv Gandhi Boat Race, Kerala
    7. Rajiv Gandhi International Artistic Gymnastic Tournament
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Kabbadi Meet
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Roller Skating Championship
    10. Rajiv Gandhi memorial marathon race, New Delhi
    11. Rajiv Gandhi International Judo Championship, Chandigarh
    12. Rajeev Gandhi Memorial Trophy for the Best College, Calicut
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Rural Cricket Tournament, by Rahul Gandhi in Amethi
    14. Rajiv Gandhi Gold Cup (U-21), football
    15. Rajiv Gandhi Trophy (football)
    16. Rajiv Gandhi Award for Outstanding Sportspersons
    17. All Indira Rajiv Gandhi Basketball(Girls) Tournament, Delhi
    18. All India Rajiv Gandhi Wrestling Gold Cup, organized by Delhi State
    19. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Jhopadpatti Football Tournament, Rajura
    20. Rajiv Gandhi International Invitation Gold Cup Football, Jamshedpur
    21. Rajiv Gandhi Mini Olympics, Mumbai
    22. Rajiv Gandhi Beachball Kabaddi Federation
    23. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Trophy Prerana Foundation
    24. International Indira Gandhi Gold Cup Tournament
    25. Indira Gandhi International Hockey Tournament
    26. Indira Gandhi Boat Race
    27. Jawaharlal Nehru International
    Gold Cup Football Tournament.
    28. Jawaharlal Nehru Hockey Tournament.

    (((Stadium))))
    1. Indira Gandhi Sports Complex, Delhi
    2. Indira Gandhi Indoor Stadium, New Delhi
    3. Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium, New Delhi
    4. Rajiv Gandhi Sports Stadium, Bawana
    5. Rajiv Gandhi National Football Academy, Haryana
    6. Rajiv Gandhi AC Stadium, Vishakhapatnam
    7. Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Pondicherry
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Stadium, Nahariagun, Itanagar
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Badminton Indoor Stadium, Cochin
    10. Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Kadavanthra,Ern akulam
    11. Rajiv Gandhi Sports Complex , Singhu
    12. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Sports Complex, Guwahati
    13. Rajiv Gandhi International Stadium, Hyderabad
    14. Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Cochin
    15. Indira Gandhi Stadium, Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh
    16. Indira Gandhi Stadium, Una, Himachal Pradesh
    17. Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, Vishakhapatnam
    18. Indira Gandhi Stadium, Deogarh, Rajasthan
    19. Gandhi Stadium, Bolangir, Orissa

    (((Airports/ Ports)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi International Airport, New Hyderabad, A.P.
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Container Terminal, Cochin
    3. Indira Gandhi International Airport, New Delhi
    4. Indira Gandhi Dock, Mumbai
    5. Jawaharlal Nehru Nava Sheva Port Trust, Mumbai

    ((((Universitie s/ Education Institutes)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi Indian Institute of Management, Shilong
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Aeronautics, Ranchi, Jharkhand
    3. Rajiv Gandhi Technical University, Gandhi Nagar, Bhopal, M.P.
    4. Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law, Kharagpur, Kolkata
    5. Rajiv Gandhi Aviation Academy, Secundrabad
    6. Rajiv Gandhi National University ofLaw, Patiala, Punjab
    7. Rajiv Gandhi National Institute of Youth Development, Tamil Nadu
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Aviation Academy, Begumpet, Hyderabad, A.P
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Technology, Kottayam, Kerala
    10. Rajiv Gandhi College of Engineering Research&Techno logy, Maharashtra
    11. Rajiv Gandhi College of Engineering, Airoli, Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra
    12. Rajiv Gandhi University, Itanagar, Arunachal Pradesh
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Technology, Chola Nagar, Bangalore, Karnataka
    14. Rajiv Gandhi Proudyogiki Vishwavidyalaya , Gandhi Nagar, Bhopal, M.P.
    15. Rajiv Gandhi D.e.d. College, Latur, Maharashtra
    16. Rajiv Gandhi College, Shahpura, Bhopal
    17. Rajiv Gandhi Foundation, Rajiv Gandhi Institute, New Delhi
    18. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Petroleum Technology, Raebareli, U.P.
    19. Rajiv Gandhi Homeopathic Medical College, Bhopal, M.P.
    20. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Post Graduate Studies, East Godavari District, A.P.
    21. Rajiv Gandhi College of Education, Thumkur, Karnataka
    22. Rajiv Gandhi College of Veterinary&Anim al Sciences, Tamil Nadu
    23. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of IT and Biotechnology, Bhartiya Vidhyapeeth
    24. Rajiv Gandhi High School, Mumbai, Maharashtra
    25. Rajiv Gandhi Group of Institutions, Satna, M.P.
    26. Rajiv Gandhi College of Engineering, Sriperumbudur, Tamil Nadu
    27. Rajiv Gandhi Biotechnology Centre, R.T.M., Nagpur University
    28. Rajiv Gandhi Centre for Biotechnology, Thiruvananthapu ram, Kerala
    29. Rajiv Gandhi Mahavidyalaya, Madhya Pradesh
    30. Rajiv Gandhi Post Graduate College, Allahabad, U.P.
    31. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Technology, Bangalore, Karnataka
    32. Rajiv Gandhi Govt. PG Ayurvedic College, Poprola, Himachal Pradesh
    33. Rajiv Gandhi College, Satna, M.P.
    34. Rajiv Gandhi Academy for Aviation Technology, Thiruvananthapu ram, Kerala
    35. Rajiv Gandhi Madhyamic Vidyalaya, Maharashtra
    36. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Contemporary Studies, Islamabad, Pakistan
    37. Rajiv Gandhi Centre for Innovation and Entrepreneurshi p
    38. Rajiv Gandhi Industrial Training Centre, Gandhinagar
    39. Rajiv Gandhi University of Knowledge Technologies, Andhra Pradesh
    40. Rajiv Gandhi Institute Of DistanceEducation, Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu
    41. Rajiv Gandhi Centre for Aquaculture , Tamil Nadu
    42. Rajiv Gandhi University (Arunachal University), A.P.
    43. Rajiv Gandhi Sports Medicine Centre (RGSMC), Kerela
    44. Rajiv Gandhi Science Centre, Mauritus
    45. Rajiv Gandhi Kala Mandir, Ponda, Goa
    46. Rajiv Gandhi Vidyalaya, Mulund, Mumbai
    47. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Polytechnic, Bangalore, Karnataka
    48. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Circle Telecom Training Centre (India), Chennai
    49. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Pharmacy, Kasagod, Kerala
    50. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial College Of Aeronautics, Jaipur
    51. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial First GradeCollege, Shimoga
    52. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial College of Education, Jammu&Kashmir
    53. Rajiv Gandhi South Campus, Barkacha, Varanasi
    54. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Teacher’s Training College, Jharkhand
    55. Rajiv Gandhi Degree College, Rajahmundry, A.P.
    56. Indira Gandhi National Open University (IGNOU), New Delhi
    57. Indira Gandhi Institute of Development&Res earch, Mumbai, Maharashtra
    58. Indira Gandhi National Forest Academy, Dehradun
    59. Indira Gandhi RashtriyaUran Akademi, Rae Bareli, Uttar Pradesh
    60. Indira Gandhi Institute of Development Research, Mumbai
    61. Indira Gandhi National Tribal University, Orissa
    62. Indira Gandhi B.Ed. College, Mangalore
    63. Smt. Indira Gandhi College of Education, Nanded, Maharashtra
    64. Indira Gandhi Balika Niketan B.ED. College, Jhunjhunu, Rajasthan
    65. Indira Gandhi Krishi Vishwavidyalaya , Raipur, Madhya Pradesh
    66. Smt. Indira Gandhi College of Engineering, Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra
    67. Smt. Indira Gandhi Colelge, Tiruchirappalli
    68. Indira Gandhi Engineering College, Sagar, Madhya Pradesh
    69. Indira Gandhi Institute of Technology, Kashmere Gate, Delhi
    70. Indira Gandhi Institute of Technology, Sarang, Dist. Dhenkanal,Orissa
    71. Indira Gandhi Institute of Aeronautics, Pune, Maharashtra
    72. Indira Gandhi Integral Education Centre, New Delhi
    73. Indira Gandhi Institute of Physical Education&Sport s Sciences, Delhi
    74. Indira Gandhi High School, Himachal
    75. Indira Kala Sangit Vishwavidyalaya , Chhattisgarh
    76. Indira Gandhi Medical College, Shimla
    77. Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Andhra Pradesh
    78. Nehru Institute of Mountaineering, Uttarakashi
    79. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Business Management, Vikram University
    80. Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
    81. Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research, Bangalore
    82. Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, AP
    83. Jawaharlal Nehru Engineering College in Aurangabad, Maharashtra
    84. Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for advanced Scientific Research, Bangalore
    85. Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Social Studies, affiliated(Pune , Maharashtra)
    86. Jawaharlal Nehru College of Aeronautics&App lied Sciences, Coimbatore
    87. Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Tech, Katraj, Dhankwdi, Pune, Maharashtra
    88. Kamal Kishore Kadam’s Jawaharlal Nehru Engineering CollegeMaharash tra
    89. Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Education&Techn ological Research, Nanded, Maharashra
    90. Jawaharlal Nehru College, Aligarh
    91. Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Hyderabad
    92. Jawaharlal Nehru Krishi Vishwavidyalaya , Jabalpur
    93. Jawaharlal Nehru B.Ed. College, Kota, Rajasthan
    94. Jawaharlal Nehru P.G. College, Bhopal
    95. Jawaharlal Nehru Government Engineering College, Sundernagar, H.P.
    96. Jawaharlal Nehru PublicSchool, Kolar Road, Bhopal
    97. Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kakinada, A.P.
    98. Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Technology, Ibrahimpatti, Andhra Pradesh

    (((Awards))))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi Award for Outstanding Achievement
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Shiromani Award
    3. Rajiv Gandhi Shramik Awards, Delhi Labour Welfare Board
    4. Rajiv Gandhi National Sadbhavana Award
    5. Rajiv Gandhi Manav Seva Award
    6. Rajiv Gandhi Wildlife Conservation Award
    7. Rajiv Gandhi National Award Scheme for Original Book Writing on Gyan Vigyan
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna Award
    9. Rajiv Gandhi National Quality Award
    10. Rajiv Gandhi Environment Award for Clean Technology, Govt. of India
    11. RajivGandhi Travelling Scholarship
    12. Rajiv Gandhi(UK) Foundation Scholarship
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Film Awards (Mumbai)
    14. Rajiv Gandhi Khelratna Puraskar
    15. Rajiv Gandhi Parisara Prashasti, Karnataka
    16. RajivGandhi Vocational Excellence Awards
    17. Rajiv Gandhi Excellence award
    18. Indira Gandhi Peace Prize
    19. Indira Gandhi Prize for National Integration
    20. Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award
    21. Indira Priyadarshini Vrikshamitra Awards, Ministry of Environment and Forests
    22. Indira Gandhi Memorial National Award forBest Environmental&E cological
    23. Indira Gandhi Paryavaran Purashkar
    24. Indira Gandhi NSS Award
    25. Indira Gandhi Award for National Integration
    26. Indira Gandhi Official Language Award Scheme
    27. Indira Gandhi Award for Best First Film
    28. Indira Gandhi Rajbhasha Awards for The Town Official Language
    29. Indira Gandhi Prize” for Peace, Disarmament and Development
    30. Indira Gandhi Prize for Popularization of Science
    31. Implementation
    32. Indira Gandhi Shiromani Award
    33. Indira Gandhi NSS Award/National Youth
    34. Indira Gandhi Paryavaran Pushar award – search n correct
    35. Indira Gandhi N.S.S Awards
    36. Indira Gandhi award for social service, MP Govt.
    37. Post Graduate Indira Gandhi Scholarship Scheme
    38. Indira Gandhi Rajbhasha Award Scheme
    39. Indira Gandhi Rajbhasha Shield Scheme
    40. Indira Gandhi Vision of Wildlife Conservation Zoo
    41. Jawaharlal Nehru award for International peace
    42. Soviet Land Nehru Award, a cash prize of Rs. 20,000 given to Shyam Benegal in Dec 89, in recognition of the above film.
    43. Jawaharlal Nehru Balkalyan awards of Rs.10,000 each to 10 couples by Govt. of Maharashtra (ToI-28-4-89).
    44. Jawaharlal Nehru Memorial Fund,New Delhi, for Academic Achievement
    45. Jawaharlal Nehru birth centenaryresearch award for energy
    46. Jawaharlal Nehru Award for International Understanding
    47. Nehru Bal Samiti Bravery Awards
    48. Jawaharlal Nehru Memorial Medal
    49. Jawaharlal Nehru Prize” from 1998-99, to be given to organizations (preferably NGOs) for Popularization of Science.
    50. Jawaharlal Nehru National Science Competition
    51. Jawarharlal Nehru Student Award for research project of evolution of DNA

    ((((Scholarship / Fellowship))))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi Scholarship Scheme for Students with Disabilities
    2. Rajiv Gandhi National Fellowship Scheme for SC/ST Candidates, Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment
    3. Rajiv Gandhi National Fellowship Scheme for ST Candidates
    4. Rajiv Gandhi Fellowship, IGNOU
    5. Rajiv Gandhi Science Talent Research Fellows
    6. Rajiv Gandhi Fellowship, Ministry of Tribal Affairs
    7. Rajiv Gandhi National Fellowship Scheme
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Fellowship sponsored
    9. Rajiv Gandhi science talent research fellowship
    10. Rajiv Gandhi HUDCO Fellowships in the Habitat Sector
    11. Indira Gandhi Memorial Fellowships check
    12. Fullbright scholarship now renamed Fullbright- Jawaharlal Nehru Scholarship
    13. Cambridge Nehru Scholarships, for research at Cambridge Univ, London
    14. Scheme of Jawaharlal Nehru Fellowships for Post-graduate Studies
    15. Nehru Centenary (British) Fellowships/ Awards

    (((National Parks/ Sanctuaries/ Museums)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi (Nagarhole) Wildlife Sanctury, Karnataka
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Wildlife Sanctury, Andhra Pradesh
    3. Indira Gandhi National Park, Tamil Nadu
    4. Indira Gandhi Zoological Park , New Delhi
    5. Indira Gandhi National Park, Anamalai Hills on Western Ghats
    6. Indira Gandhi Zoological Park, Vishakhapatnam
    7. Indira Gandhi Rashtriya Manav Sangrahalaya (IGRMS)
    8. Indira Gandhi Wildlife Sanctuary, Pollachi
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Health Museum
    10. The Rajiv Gandhi Museum of Natural History
    11. Indira Gandhi Memorial museum, New Delhi
    12. Jawaharlal Nehru museum in Aurangabad, Maharashtra opened bystate govt.
    13. Jawaharlal Nehru memorial Gallery, London
    14. Jawaharlal Nehru planetarium, Worli, Mumbai.
    15. Jawaharlal Nehru National Science Exhibition for Children

    ((((Hospitals/ Medical Institutions)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi University of Health Science, Bangalore, Karnataka
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Cancer Institute&Resea rch Centre, Delhi
    3. Rajiv Gandhi Home for Handicapped, Pondicherry
    4. Shri Rajiv Gandhi college of Dental Science&Hospita l, Bangalore, Karnataka
    5. Rajiv Gandhi Centre for Bio Technology, Thiruvanthapura m, Kerala
    6. Rajiv Gandhi College of Nursing, Bangalore, Karnataka
    7. Rajiv Gandhi Super Specialty Hospital, Raichur
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Chest Diseases, Bangalore, Karnataka
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Paramedical College, Jodhpur
    10. Rajiv Gandhi Medical College, Thane, Mumbai
    11. Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Pharmacy, Karnataka
    12. Rajiv Gandhi Hospital, Goa
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Mission on Community Health, Madhya Pradesh
    14. Rajiv Gandhi Super Specialty Hospital, Delhi
    15. Rajiv Gandhi Homoeaopathic Medical College, Chinar Park, Bhopal, M.P
    16. North Eastern Indira Gandhi of Health&Medical Sciences, Meghalaya
    17. Indira Gandhi Medical College, Shimla
    18. Indira Gandhi Institute of Child Health, Bangalore
    19. Indira Gandhi Institute of MedicalSciences, Sheikhpura, Patna
    20. The Indira Gandhi Paediatric Hospital, Afghanistan
    21. Indira Gandhi Institute of Child Health Hospital, Bangalore
    22. Indira Gandhi Institute of Child Heath, Bangalore
    23. Indira Gandhi Medical College, Shimla
    24. Indira Gandhi Institute of Dental Science, Kerala
    25. Indira Gandhi Memorial Ayurvedic Medical College&Hospita l, Bhubaneshwar
    26. Indira Gandhi Government Medical College and Hospital, Nagpur
    27. Indira Gandhi Eye Hospital And Research Centre, Kolkata
    28. Indira Gandhi Hospital, Shimla
    29. Indira Gandhi Women and Children Hospital , Bhopla
    30. Indira Gandhi Gas Relief hospital, Bhopal
    31. Kamla Nehru Hospital, Shimla
    32. Chacha Nehru Bal Chikitsalaya
    33. Jawaharlal Institute of Postgraduate Medical Education
    34. Jawaharlal Nehru Cancer Hospitaland Research Centre, Bhopal
    35. Jawaharlal Nehru Medical College in Raipur.
    36. Nehru Homoeopathic Medical College&Hospita l, New Delhi
    37. Nehru, Science Centre, Worli, Mumbai
    38. Jawaharlal Nehru Cancer Hospital&Resear ch Centre, Bhopal
    39. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Homoeopathic Medical, Maharashtra

    (((Institutions / Chairs / Festivals)))
    1. Rajiv Gandhi National Institute of Youth Development. (RGNIYD)
    2. Rajiv Gandhi National Ground Water Training&Resear ch Inst, Haryana
    3. Rajiv Gandhi Food Security Mission in Tribal Areas
    4. Rajiv Gandhi National Institute of Youth Development
    5. Rajiv Gandhi Shiksha Mission, Chhattisgarh
    6. Rajiv Gandhi Chair Endowment established in 1998
    7. Rajiv Gandhi Project – A pilot to provide Education thru Massive Satellite Connectivity up grassroot Level
    8. Rajiv Gandhi Rural Housing Corporation Limited (Government of Karnataka Enterprise)
    9. Rajiv Gandhi Information and Technology Commission
    10. Rajiv Gandhi Chair for Peace and Disarmament
    11. Rajiv Gandhi Music Festival
    12. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Lecture
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Akshay Urja Diwas
    14. Rajijiv Gandhi Education Foundation, Kerala
    15. Rajiv Gandhi Panchayati Raj Convention
    16. The Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Educational and Charitable Society, Kasagod,Kerala
    17. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial trophy ekankika spardha,Kari Road
    18. Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts, Janpath, New Delhi
    19. Indira Gandhi Panchayati Raj&Gramin Vikas Sansthan, Jaipur, Rajasthan
    20. Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), Kalpakkam
    21. Indira Gandhi Institute for Development and Research , Mumbai
    22. Indira Gandhi Institute of Cardiology (IGIC), Patna
    23. Indira Gandhi National Center for the Arts, New Delhi
    24. Indira Gandhi National Foundation, Thiruvananthapu ram, Kerala
    25. Indira Gandhi Mahila Sahakari Soot Girani Ltd, Maharashtra
    26. Indira Gandhi Conservation Monitoring Centre , Ministry of Envir&Forest
    27. Post-Graduate Indira Gandhi Scholarship for Single Girl Child
    28. Jawahar Shetkari Sahakari Sakhar Karkhana Ltd.
    29. Nehru Yuva Kendra Sangathan
    30. Jawaharlal Nehru Centenary celebrations
    31. Postal stamps of different denominations and one Rupee coins in memory of Jawaharlal Nehru.
    32. Jawaharlal Nehru Memorial Trust(U.K.) Scholarships
    33. Jawaharlal Nehru Custom House Nhava Sheva, Maharashtra
    34. Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for. Advanced Scientific Research, Bangalore
    35. Jawaharlal Nehru Cultural Centre,Embassy of India, Moscow
    36. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru Udyog Kendra for Juveniles, Pune, Maharastra
    37. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru college of agriculture and research, Pondicherry

    ((Roads/ Buildings/ places)))
    1. Rajiv Chowk, Delhi
    2. Rajiv Gandhi Bhawan, Safdarjung, New Delhi
    3. Rajiv Gandhi Handicrafts Bhawan, New Delhi
    4. Rajiv Gandhi Park, Kalkaji, Delhi
    5. Indira Chowk, New Delhi
    6. Nehru Planetarium, New Delhi
    7. Nehru Yuvak Kendra, Chanakyapuri, New Delhi
    8. Nehru Nagar, New Delhi
    9. Nehru Place, New Delhi
    10. Nehru Park, New Delhi Nehru House, BSZ Marg, New Delhi
    11. Jawaharlal Nehru Government House New Delhi
    12. Rajiv Gandhi Renewable Energy Park, Gurgaon, Haryana
    13. Rajiv Gandhi Chowk, Andheri, Mumbai
    14. Indira Gandhi Road, Mumbai
    15. Indira Gandhi Nagar, Wadala, Mumbai
    16. Indira Gandhi Sports Complex, Mulund, Mumbai
    17. Nehru Nagar, Kurla, Mumbai
    18. Jawaharlal Nehru gardens at Thane, Mumbai
    19. Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Hall, Chennai
    20. Jawaharlal Nehru Road, Vadapalani, Chennai, Tamilnadu

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Disgusting (OMG I am using the word again) to say the least and not fair to others.

    One too many. Only if there was one entity less named after the family in the above list, I suppose everybody would be “happy”. ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    congress will lose if this list is published all over

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    Ravi Reply:

    I very much doubt, this list would make any difference what so ever.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The list doesn’t contain this name:

    MJIRSR PUBLIC TOILETS in Besharamnagar in UP.

    (MJIRSR STANDS FOR ALL THE NEHRU-GHANDYS FROM MOTILAL TO RAHUL).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I was expecting something like this from you, and thankfully you have
    not disappointed me. Nice one.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    There is an Airport named after Golimarkar. Dr Mishra’s ambition is to go there.

    I think we should send him there.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I did not know you were keeping track, others had given up counting long ago. ;-)

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Manohar;
    others are keeping track of some other names as well, jelously guarding the legacy of the name of one family only.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t is easier to keep track of small numbers?

    Pankaj Reply:

    Mohan;
    Awesome.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    “Awesome” family needs ‘awesome’ monuments, institutions, roads, stadiums and lamp posts. ;-)

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Manohar;
    Good one. But last words, Lamp Posts made me think uses of Lamp posts in our enlightened(?) society. ha

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. I did not mention toilets, as it seems some have an aversion towards them and below their dignity (literally how very true). I wonder, where do they go for the morning constitutionals – fields or footpaths? ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Ram Autar,

    this post of “yours” shows that you are Dr.Jackal during daytime and Mr.Hyde at night.

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    engrich Reply:

    which post.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    Brilliant. And rhey must be thousands more which may not be on the list. For example Motilal nehru Marg Delhi, Kamala Nehru ridge Delhi, nehru nagar and Indira puram GhaziABAD etc etc. And Indira gandhi internationsl airport and mark a thousand more for Sanjay Gandhi–

    I think part of the support many trolls give for Rahul is actually believing that all this institutions and places were the private contribution of the parivaar. God bless the believers!

    As an engineering college trainee I had an opportunity to attend a meeting where the name of a building had tto be chosen. Since rhe building was about a health project I suggested the name fo Patanjali or Susruta ( a fmous Indian surgeon thousand years back). mani Silencer Aiyar who was represnting the GOI told me to just shut up…. “because only Nehru deserves the honour…”

    And thus the 176000000000 the building after ths corrupt parivar was named…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No, not brilliant, it is a ‘blasphemy’, after all I am a ‘congressie troll’ if you ask a label maker. What should do now to atone for my ’sin’? Should I go to some god(man) here on this earth for help? Suggestions welcome.
    ;-)

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    Ravi Reply:

    I hope you don’t fall of your trolley

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Cmon…
    you know it as well as I do…
    I was not pointing the gun at you !

    I was generally talking about the sycophancy which was promoted with the active connivance of the COngress high command. SOme years back there was a big drama on TV of a COngress MP with a gun wanting to shoot himself in case Sonia did not become the PM.

    Did anybody actually believe that he would have shot himself int eh head. Of course not. either did the COngress kick him out after the drama.

    Ti was just happy that the sycophantic culture had been taken one notch up…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pataa hai. Main to yoon hi taang kechh rahaa thaa.

    You also point guns at people! Phir taang kechh rahaa hoon.

    Have a nice day.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you forgot the famous Kamla Nagar in Delhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Crores are waiting for Sachin, who is struggling to get his 100th ton,
    where as the ‘First family of India’ has achieved much more than that in
    relatively less time.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan wants halt to Arab ‘religious colonialism’

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pakistan-wants-halt-to-Arab-religious-colonialism/articleshow/11413807.cms

    ———

    A section of Pakistanis have raised their voice against Arab colonialism (imposing Wahhabi Islam over Sufi Islam) amidst attacks on Sufi shrines in Pakistan.

    ………………..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, let us see…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    these Pakistan-friendly congressi trolls are hoping that Pakistan would pull back from the brink of the abyss of religious fundamentalism, which is now impossible.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Where as the Sanghi’s are hoping that Pakistan will implode, and request the Hindu’s to come and sort their problem.

    Once that has been done then the dream of Akhand Bharat will be that much closer to realisation.

    I will let Tarun Vijay know, so that appropriate preparations can be put in place.

    Dream on.

    engrich Reply:

    this is step in right direction.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    In the last two weeks, you have cast wrongly accused me of some misdemeanours which have been contradicted and clearly stated to be false by Vinay as well as Gopi (which pleasantly surprised me).

    This casts some doubts about your rationality as well as your ability to form sound judgements.

    This is further exemplified by the fact that some months ago you staked your personal reputation (what ever that is) by categorically stating that the Dentists Mr and Mrs Talwar are personally known to you and that you can vouch for their good character and emphatically stated that no way they could have been involved in the murder of their own daughter and their domestic help.

    Well the Supreme Court of India disagrees with you and professional judges have adjudicated against your friends.

    So much for your Judgement.

    Let the trial begin.

    ——————

    NEW DELHI: In a major setback to dentist couple Nupur and Rajesh Talwar, the Supreme Court on Friday cleared the decks for their trial in their daughter Aarushi’s murder case.

    A bench of justices A K Ganguly and J S Khehar dismissed the couple’s plea to quash criminal proceedings against them in the sensational 2008 case involving the killing of Talwars’ domestic aide Hemraj and their teenaged daughter in Noida on Delhi’s outskirts.

    The bench said there was nothing wrong in the magistrate’s order taking cognisance against them and putting them on trial.

    Refusing to interfere with the lower court’s order which had rejected the CBI’s closure report, the bench said that the magistrate gave the ruling after applying his mind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    this post clearly shows that you are not an Indian and your knowledge of Indian jurisprudence is pathetically abysmal.

    Ordering for a COMMENCEMENT of trial is NOT ADJUDICATING AS GUILTY.

    That is a long, long way off. They can still emerge as NOT GUILTY for want of evidence. CBI is notorious for botching up cases.

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    Ravi Reply:

    When did I suggest they were guilty.

    Just that the SC has approved lower courts decision to prosecute. Which suggests that there is some prima facia evidence.

    BTW Britain and India are governed under common law.

    Whether they are guilty or not is for the court to decide and not Dr Mishra as he once did here.

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  • Pankaj

    Manohar/ Mohan?Shenoy/ Vijay/Gopi
    this is the place where I would like to park my money/time/energy/ emotions.
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/infrastructure/narendra-modis-rs-78000-cr-hi-tech-city-gift-to-try-new-concepts-may-shape-future-city-technologies/articleshow/11368455.cms.
    Not,Dalit rapes, Brahmnst, etc. Because, empowerment of have nots is not only enevitable, it is desirable too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Thanks. Great piece of news.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Thanks for the link. We will see similar type of projects comming
    up in Gujarat regularly. This state is progressing at a very good speed.
    Last I had visited Ahemedabad was about five years ago and now I am told
    it has changed a lot — positive change — . I will be there for few days next month.

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  • Anonymous

    Nationalist congress president threatens Internationalist presidente of congress.
    ——————–//////////////——————————//////////———————–////////—————

    The congress parivar, which has splintered into so many congresses, is now immersed in internecine war.

    After the humiliation meted out to Sonia Gandhi by small time Bengal politician, Mamta Banerji (a Brahmnst, jewst, fascst, zionst conspiracy!),

    now Sharad Pawar is causing pawar problem.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Now-Congress-faces-Pawar-problem-over-civic-polls/articleshow/11416610.cms

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  • Anonymous

    Has Congress become desperate ? They are burning the effigy of their own leader.

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=746915

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  • Anonymous

    Is madamji unhappy with Mr Vinod Sharma?

    Yes….ho sakta hai …… ( Madamji is Shobhnaji and not Soniaji).. If madamji has to step out of HT Bldg on Curzon Road and come to the TV Studios and step into the shoes of Sharmaji and give the Congress viewpoint on Karan Thapar’s show …then … do baatein ho sakti hain …Yah to Karan Thapar ki Mr Vinod Sharma se pat ti nahin hai… yaa …a performance better than Mr Vinod Sharma’s performance is desired …
    What can we say?…Yeh to Congress party ki undrooni baatein hain..Hum log to Anna Hazare ke aam aadmi hain..( Congress ke nahin… woh to Swiss bank account holders hain..)..
    We are being charged with being selective in our indignation..but why ..we are indignant with those who wish to have a weak Lokpal..BJP has come out with a good Lokayukta in Uttaranchal and supports our key demands on the Lokpal.. The blog says that the Oppositions’s Lokpal is truncated… if that is truncated is the Congress party’s lokpal complete..why does the blogger overlook that the Congress party which has been the biggest beneficiary of Corruption in high places wants to protect the status quo on corruption…. but we are optimistic … Anna wil succeed and India shall have a strong Lokpal .

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  • Anonymous

    Sitting idle, I have been raking my mind since morning thinking why Sachin is
    not scoring 100th century. Now I know the reason. It is because of Aashish,
    who had suggested tht Sachin should not score a century and should draw parallel
    with the great Don Bradman.
    Test average of Bradman — 99
    Centuries by Tendulkar 99

    Aashsih,

    If you are reading this, please call Sachin — this is a humble request from me
    and millions of his ardent fans — and tell him that you have changed your mind.
    Let him score that elusive century in next match. This will not only give him
    a great record which will almost be impossible to break and it may reverse the
    fortunes of Indian cricket down under.
    I hope you will oblige.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    A rather intriguing article on GM Cotton in India.
    http://gmwatch.eu/latest-listing/1-news-items/13579-stop-all-gm-research-in-the-public-sector
    p.s.: If my own memory serves me right, About an year or so back when GM corps. (probably Monsanto) were lobbying for liberalisation of GM regime here – Jairam (then the Env. minister) had strongly argued against the so called liberalisation, specifically citing the reason that since food security was not an issue he would rather wait and watch ’til the picture gets clearer.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Is’nt GM in India made complex by the need for farmers to keep going back to Monsanto for seeds.

    This will be such a change that caution is probably the best option.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Is’nt GM in India made complex by the need for farmers to keep going back to Monsanto for seeds.”
    Exactly. Incidentally, do we realise in the end it was Environment Ministry that ended up batting for the farmers while Agriculture ministry hardly opined .

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    Ravi Reply:

    That is because early issues with GM – TRIALS – was contamination and containment issues. These are managed under the ENVIRONMENT ministry. Widespread roll out of the GM will be under the agriculture ministry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agreed. However, at the same time the history of GM seeds was there world over to see. Skeptics had brought out the topic of cost escalation for farmers too. Given this backdrop, it was indeed un-settling to see agricultural ministry maintaining a silence on the topic.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    I am only guessing. My fear is that there may well be a formal gate through which a project has to pass, before it can be adopted by the Ministry of Agriculture. Until that point it stays with the Ministry of Environment which has to certify it as being safe.

    Politics, is ever present in such projects and I guess that is what you are commenting about.

    From your perpective, what would good look like?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe many farmers suicides are related to loans to buy these new seeds.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    R U Sure. My understanding is that Farmer Suicides is more complex than that. I beleive it involves some social issues as well.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Most of the suicides had GM seed loans. Of course, weather, pesticide etc caused these seeds not to grow; but the cost (and the loan) was a main contributor to suicides. Your own prince Charles lamented about this; and the industry called him fearmonger

    Ravi Reply:

    I accept your better knowledge. I have no details other than those you have just pointed out.

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj

    The technology incubator park is a great Modi/industry initiative.
    The model has been executed well in US time and again. In fact, I visited one a few weeks ago in my last trip. This park was primarily fueled by a university, with additional funding from state, federal authorities.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    This is what Wiki say about Farmer Suicides.

    Research has also pointed to a certain types of technological change as having played an instrumental role in the problem. One study from the Punjab showed dramatic misuse of agricultural chemicals in farmer households in the absence of any guidance on how to correctly use these deadly chemicals and linked it to the rise in farm suicides wherever farm chemicals were in widespread use.[23] Important research in Andhra Pradesh showed the very rapid change in seed and pesticide products to have caused “deskilling” in the cotton sector.[24]

    [edit] GM cropsThere have been claims of genetically-modified (GM) seeds (such as Bt cotton) being responsible for the farmer suicides.[25][26][27][28] A short documentary by Frontline (U.S. TV series) suggested that farmers using GM seeds promoted by Cargill and Monsanto have led to rising debts and forced some into the equivalent of indentured servitude to the moneylenders.[29]

    A report released by the International Food Policy Research Institute in October 2008 provided evidence that the introduction of Bt cotton was not a major factor in farmer suicides in India.[30] It argues that the suicides predate the introduction of the cotton in 2002 and has been fairly consistent since 1997.[30][31] Other studies also suggest the increase in farmer suicides is due to a combination of various socio-economic factors.[32] These include debt, the difficulty of farming semi-arid regions, poor agricultural income, absence of alternative income opportunities, the downturn in the urban economy forcing non-farmers into farming, and the absence of suitable counseling services.[32][33]

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  • Anonymous

    Now since an aristocratic Muslim, Salman Kurshid, has promised 9% subquota to UP Muslims if Congress is elected, Behanji is going to come up with 15% subquota..

    Hope Muslim votes will follow the Bihar pattern… a big hope!

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    engrich Reply:

    muslim votes will go to mayawati.first aim of muslim vote will be to defeat bjp

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  • Soumens

    Vinod, you need to understand that there is a conflict of interest issue associated with the politicians. So, it wont be easy for anyone to bring that kind of legislation and accepting there graft.
    I think the politicians need to understand the society more..I am surprised that they are overlooking the sign of frustration among the people and that can be really bad…So, good luck to you!!!!

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  • Syed

    Series in England start hown toun pelhan hi tatian , lag gai-an nay.

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  • Atul

    Do you know that India is the largest importer of arms and weapon system in the world?

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