Fashion needs to grow



Close to three decades and we are still far behind when it comes to making it to the global fashion arena. Is that enough? Not quite.

Barring a few, very few at that, Indian fashion is not really accepted in the world markets. Whether it is the complacent mindset or the lack of opportunities provided by those who are responsible, the fact remains the same the: none of our designers have made it big worldwide as is the case with other such Asian designers as Yohji Yamamoto, Kenzo, Rei Kawakubo or Issey Miyake.

What could possibly the reason for this?

First let’s examine this from the designers’ side. While all the other Asian designers who have made it big in the Western fashion scene have successfully translated their country-specific sartorial styles so as to suit the markets there, those who attempted from here either tried to imitate those successful Western fashion designers (of course with a little here and little there kind of Indianness on their garments) or did an over doze of India in their collections. While they all know the essence remains in the conversion of Indian onto wearable western sensibilities, they somehow left that very essence behind while trying their hands in these markets. Add to that their overzealous price tags. It is rather unfortunate that we still don’t have a name that screams loud its global acceptance.

Second, none of the organisations that exist in India are known anything more than organising fashion weeks. Whether it is the Chambre Syndicale of Paris, CDMI of Milan, British Fashion Council of London and CFDA of New York, they all are known much more than organising just fashion weeks. They push hard for their member designers and do other activities related to fashion through the year.

Five years or so into the formation of the Fashion Design Council of India, I used to tell its Executive Director that time that the Council should indulge in all possible activities related to fashion for promoting its member designers. If nothing happened that time, it remains the same even now.

If fashion needs to move forward, as it should, we need to make a concerted effort to give it the push that it needs. So far no one does it and that includes the media and its editors.

Until that happens it will remain a small scale industry with big egos and attitudes.

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  • Anonymous

    You are right again Mr. Sharma,

    The govt. must persuade Anna and his team to show some patience. If it is sincere in providing the nation an effective and sustainable anti-graft bill, it should (and be seen) making efforts to reach out to the protesters and ask them to allow the parliament some more time to fine tune the proposed bill.

    The opposition should also avoid using the non-passage of this bill as a political tool to beat the ruling dispensation with.

    What intrigues me however is your statement “Equally daunting are the prospects of creating an Ombudsman that’s a liability in governance terms”. If we can afford the NAC backed Food Security Bill, then we might as well be able to take care of the liabilities (at least financial) arising out of the proposed institution.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Well spoken.

    There is a difference though between Food Security/NREGA and the creation of this institution of Lokpal.

    The former provide sustenance to the hungry of this country and make their life less miserable and we must not complain. The benefits of the latter, as you you know by views, are unknown and it may just turn to be another white elephant.

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  • Anonymous

    The responsibility for putting the government unnecessarily into a tight corner vests entirely with the chairman of the standing committee, Abhishek Manu Singhvi.

    He went about his duties as if the congress party was his client for whom he has to get the best terms in the drafting of the bill. He neither kept the country’s interests in view nor took note of the :sense of the house” resolution. In the end he created a product which was highly contentious, inviting several dissenting notes and alround disapproval.

    It is in the fitness of the things that the civil society team, the government and also parliament, all will accommodate one another’s view points and create a bill that has few loop holes, maximum power to book and sentence the corrupt in the least possible time frame.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I like Vinod’s heading. Congress is going to Parlok on its own volition.

    MMS is an honourable man. The fact that it is his own Queen, his own party members are ditching him more than his coalition parties is a telling tale,

    This is the time when we need him and Montek and PC etc on the policy front to get this economy out. Opposition has its share; the bigger share rests with the stupidity of congress.

    MMS cannot be a hostage to the queen of West bengal. He has enough with one queen, the queen mother.

    Mamta will hang herself, now with this liquor tragedy, last week the hospital tragedy, and you bet, there will be a lot more calamities and she will be helpless.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    with so many tragedies, Mamta will get the title, “tragedy Queen”, like Meena Kumari or Dilip Kumar (trtagedy king).

    If Satyajit Ray were alive today, he would have made another Pather Panchaali with Mamta as his heroine.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very good idea. But we need auidience for such movies,
    for that one item song by Sonakshi Sinha should be
    filmed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You cant blame Mamta… a lot happened in34 yrs of CPM rule. She has not been there for 34 weeks.

  • Anonymous

    In the previous blog

    Ishwar
    ——
    Food Security Bill

    Are we ready for it?
    Is this the right time to bring it?
    Would it be passed in this session?

    Gopi
    —-
    ishwar– It is a good bill; however, they should just sit on it..
    pretty soon , there may not be “i” in “BRIC” countries if we go the way we are..

    Ishwar
    ——
    Gopi,

    If it’s good, when should we bring it in?

    As of now we are experiencing high inflation and interest rates, low industrial output and sentiment, chance of a high fiscal deficit and rapidly declining currency.

    What should improve in,your opinion, before we are ready to make it a law?
    Or, is our economist PM good enough to finance it even in these economic conditions?

    Mohan
    —–
    NREAGA and food security bill are the state funding of the election for the
    ruling party.

    ——————————-

    Mohan is right. These initiatives, good in their own right, become tools in the hands of the ruling dispensation to woo voters and the other political parties do not seem to realise it, so busy they are opposing everything for the sake of
    opposing it.

    Ideally speaking these measures should be non-political in nature. The whole country and all the political parties should take credit for it. This is the ideal state of affairs.

    The ruling party and the opposition parties have burned the bridges. Politically, they are not talking terms, so busy they are scoring brownie points against each other. This is the real situation. Who benefits? The ruling party by claiming that it is their policy and initiative. Who loses? The opposition parties, who are left in the cold. They dare not oppose these policies, that would be committing electoral suicide.

    Ishwar has also raised a valid questions.

    Are we ready for it?
    Is this the right time to bring it?
    Would it be passed in this session?

    IMO, it is a good thing per se.
    Right time? Do not know. Sharad Pawar is against it – saying it is going to put tremendous pressure on the fiscal situation, he may be right. He happens to be in minority of one in the cabinet.

    It will be not be passed in this session, it might just be tabled. They will pass it just before UP elections and laugh away to ……

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    I agree with Pawar on this (although I hate him for his Eiffel tower like corruption)..

    There is a time and place for everything…Food security is a good idea like Mahathmaji said about “western civilization’..

    We are at a precipitous situation — as I mentioned, if we are not careful the BRIC story will become the BRC story..

    Industrial production down, rupee low, growth being revised downwards with a big drop…

    As they say, you caannot take away something that you have given …

    A winter of discontent and a different spring to follow…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    See my response to Mohan above.

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  • Anonymous

    Prof Amartya Sen said on NDTV, that he was staggered that there so much UNITY and passion in the opposition ranks with LOKPAL , yet when it came to FOOD SECURITY BILL , there is no such passion. Well he should know better , this is a land of SMUG B mishra, Vijay khapodia , konkan banker , hindu humbug, callous to the core.
    I had suggested long ago , that it is in the interest of BJP to drag this issue and milk it for what it is worth , for congress A SWIFT SURGERY(passing the bill) will see congress recover from this self inflicted malaise.GIVE THEM WHATEVR HELL THEY WANT , FOR EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT A GREAT DEAL WILL HAPPEN IN PRACTICAL TERMS.

    A CLERK was arrested from INDORE. He was an ordinary clerk in the VEHICLE LICENSING DEPT. A raid into his house has unearthed gold , silver cash and address of a 49 acre farmhouse , ALL IN TOTAL 50 CRORE WORTH OF LOOT.
    all this was done without any trace of Lokpal around
    WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    1) Once the Lokpal into existence, then after few years there will be another movement to demand Dharampal as a watchdog over Lokpal.

    2) Yes, you are right about the BJP., it is so busy scoring cheap little brownie points that the it missing the big picture. No initiative of its own, only reacting to the shenanigans of the Congress party.

    As Gopi keeps saying it is working overtime to lose elections. The recent elections to (urban/semi-urban) Municipal Elections in Maharashtra are a pointer.

    For example,

    1) its attacks on P Chidambaram are to be in good books of Jayalalitha.
    2) Its stand on economic policies is of 16th century vintage.

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    engrich Reply:

    shan u are right. up goverment appointed a SP police in every district to control theft of power.actually theft increased as sp saheb wanted his share as well.who will supervise lokpals.death sencentece to afzal guru was given by supreme court judge ,which is totally unconstitutional.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, on the lines of the UP government appointing the police SP, Afzal Guru should also be appointed as Chief Security Officer of our parliament house.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan,

    yesterday, the Lokayukta police raided the house of a BJP MLA in Bangalore.

    They have recovered a huge sum of Rs.3lac in cash!
    He is said to be having agri.land of 65 acres!!

    Your friend, the congressie troll, who has visceral hatred for Anna Hazare has been campaigning for not having an additional work force of 35,000 staff for the Lokpal machinary.

    If you calculate the salaries to be paid out to these employees, it will work out to 1500crores max. per annum.

    NOW, THE CONGRESS GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO RAISE THE FOOD SUBSIDY (AFTER PASSING THE FOOD SECURITY BILL) TO A WHOPPING 9,50,000 CRORES!!!!!!!

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  • Anonymous

    The latest Economist magazine (holiday double issue) has two interesting articles:

    1) The cover page/article on “In search of frogs” – a very interesting article on the scientist Sathya Biju Das (yaa a fellow Keralite) and he and his team’s efforts/discovery of finding/categorizing (and protecting) rare frogs
    2) A report on the dismal state of governance in India.. Shashi Tarror says “a presidential system may be better”

    Economy is in a downspin – there is a trigger there that will create satyanash…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shashi Tharoor is a scoundrel. In a BBC radio programme on NEtaji Subhas Bose’s centenary HE SAID ” BOSE’S ANTI BRITISH STANCE MAY HAVE ITS ROOTS IN THE RACISM HE SUFFERED WHILE HE WAS IN ENGLAND FOR HIS ICS EXAM”

    This SOB should know BOSE CAME 4TH IN ICS YET DECLINED THE JOB,
    NEHRU ATTEMPTED TWICE , COULDN’T PASS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan-

    Shashi Tharoor is full of air!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It has become a passtime in India to put down Netaji on every opportunity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    where are you?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi-
    I read the issue. Kudos to another “Keralan” (I never bumped into that term).
    Looks like there is some good stuff in your piece of the arrow strip!
    More on the economy, Economist’s views on the govt and economy later.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, shoeb, Shaan,

    all of you are right. Shashi Tharoor, though an aristocratic Malayalee, is full of hot air. He is mostly superficial, speaking in a highly anglicised accent, just to show that he is “different”.

    As for the economy, Gopi, the game is not over yet; not by a long shot, though we all know it runs on the foundation of confidence.

    The banks collected, in the month of November11, 10% less number of cheques than during the same month last year. This means the corporates and individuals are taking more time to pay their debtors, suppliers and employees.

    If the government or basically the RBI wakes up to the situation and scales down the interest regime, sellers and suppliers can resume doing brisk business.

    Shaan, Tharoor has no business to interpret Bose’s anti-imperial stance in the manner he has done. Netaji had always been a pragmatic Leftist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan, Shoeb, Shenoy,

    We somehow got impressed by the people who speak very
    good Engish with an accent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And if they have fair skin too, wah, sone pe suhaga!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only the naive do.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~ WOULD WE HAVE COME THIS FAR WITHOUT ANNA ?????????? ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Vinodji, you have to concede this even if you dont want to publicly. This Lok Pal would not have happened without Anna.

    The Congress never wanted it. For 42 years it kept rebounding like a carrom board striker. And when under duress it proposed a bill– it was a dud which would have given the ruling party another means of harassing opponents.

    But repeated threatened of hunger strikes and team Anna’s perseverence have given rise to the possibility of a strong Lok Pal coming in.

    In the end — despie all teh vilification– team Anna has scored a goal for the people of India….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We ll I dont exactly agree with Anna blackmailijng the government. Yet, I will concede thqat the Bill would have never happened without him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well if we can talk to those separatists and so on, we can surely alk to ANna who is Indian to the core. i think we need to forget this artificial divide between what he is doing is wrong but his intention is right.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Vinoo. In the end we have to remember that the entire movement was totally nationalistic.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,

    Agree with you.

    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    I would rather thank A Raja for expediting the anti corruption war and forcing the hand of all Indians to get this Bill.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    We would nat have covred any distance without anna and kejriwal

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    What about a poem boss?

    At every stage the Congress has opposed the Lok Pal and villifeied team Anna. But when the people’s movement lead by team Anna threatens to do something, the Congressis agree and then say, ” Exactly…. this is what exactly Sonia and Rahul had proposed…”

    HAHAH !! What jokers !!

    her is my tribute to team congress.

    Rahul- Digvinash, pudding and pie
    loot the janata and make them cry

    When team Anna comes out to play…
    Rahul- Digvinash ran away !!

    HAHAHA YAHOOO !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ VIjay

    Pretty funny !!
    Send this to Digviajay and Rahul…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You are improving day by day. Along with writing a book why dont you
    think of writing poems also. (: (:

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And send me a copy. Please have digvijay on the cover… if you dont want it to sell. For sales… have sonakshi or Vidya on the cover.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Book a copy for me if Sonakshi is on cover.

    Anonymous Reply:

    this jihadi, engrich, will himself buy 100 copies if Noor Jehan is put on the cover! (And he will pay in genuine currency too).

    Anonymous Reply:

    noorjehan along with Yahya Khan will really fire his imagination…

    Anonymous Reply:

    And the sales will zoom towards the sky, beating the Arundhatis, Bhagats and Adigas at their own game.

    All the Best for the BOOK OF THE YEAR 2012.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thxx Mohan,

    Would certainly think about it…someday…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Recently, Digvinash and Rahul were seen holding hands and dancing around a bonfire on a cold night, ’singing’ ballads’. Here are some bits that were heard:

    hamne laya narega, narega
    ab netaon ka jeb bharega, bharega

    hum food security layenge, layenge
    khoob paisa khayenge, khayenge

    kaise aayega Anna ka jan lokpal
    jab hum daalenge rukaawat pal, pal?

    Anna kehta hai, ‘jail bharo, jail bharo’
    hum kehte hain, loot maro, pocket bharo’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Ver nice one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely marvellous !! Beautiful,,..

    Set it to the tune of Kolavari di and this would be the New year tune !!

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Higly entertaining and biting.

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  • engrich

    dr shan and mishrajee,

    Medical Discoveries

    Medical Journal Article: 14,000 U.S. Deaths Tied to Fukushima Reactor Disaster Fallout
    21 11 1
    Impact Seen As Roughly Comparable to Radiation-Related Deaths After Chernobyl; Infants Are Hardest Hit, With Continuing Research Showing Even Higher Possible Death Count.

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 19, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — An estimated 14,000 excess deaths in the United States are linked to the radioactive fallout from the disaster at the Fukushima nuclear reactors in Japan, according to a major new article in the December 2011 edition of the International Journal of Health Services. This is the first peer-reviewed study published in a medical journal documenting the health hazards of Fukushima.

    Authors Joseph Mangano and Janette Sherman note that their estimate of 14,000 excess U.S. deaths in the 14 weeks after the Fukushima meltdowns is comparable to the 16,500 excess deaths in the 17 weeks after the Chernobyl meltdown in 1986. The rise in reported deaths after Fukushima was largest among U.S. infants under age one. The 2010-2011 increase for infant deaths in the spring was 1.8 percent, compared to a decrease of 8.37 percent in the preceding 14 weeks.

    The IJHS article will be published Tuesday and will be available online as of 11 a.m. EST at http://www.radiation.org.

    Just six days after the disastrous meltdowns struck four reactors at Fukushima on March 11, scientists detected the plume of toxic fallout had arrived over American shores. Subsequent measurements by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found levels of radiation in air, water, and milk hundreds of times above normal across the U.S. The highest detected levels of Iodine-131 in precipitation in the U.S. were as follows (normal is about 2 picocuries I-131 per liter of water): Boise, ID (390); Kansas City (200); Salt Lake City (190); Jacksonville, FL (150); Olympia, WA (125); and Boston, MA (92).

    Epidemiologist Joseph Mangano, MPH MBA, said: “This study of Fukushima health hazards is the first to be published in a scientific journal. It raises concerns, and strongly suggests that health studies continue, to understand the true impact of Fukushima in Japan and around the world. Findings are important to the current debate of whether to build new reactors, and how long to keep aging ones in operation.”

    Mangano is executive director, Radiation and Public Health Project, and the author of 27 peer-reviewed medical journal articles and letters.

    Internist and toxicologist Janette Sherman, MD, said: “Based on our continuing research, the actual death count here may be as high as 18,000, with influenza and pneumonia, which were up five-fold in the period in question as a cause of death. Deaths are seen across all ages, but we continue to find that infants are hardest hit because their tissues are rapidly multiplying, they have undeveloped immune systems, and the doses of radioisotopes are proportionally greater than for adults.”

    Dr. Sherman is an adjunct professor, Western Michigan University, and contributing editor of “Chernobyl – Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment” published by the NY Academy of Sciences in 2009, and author of “Chemical Exposure and Disease and Life’s Delicate Balance – Causes and Prevention of Breast Cancer.”

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issues weekly reports on numbers of deaths for 122 U.S. cities with a population over 100,000, or about 25-30 percent of the U.S. In the 14 weeks after Fukushima fallout arrived in the U.S. (March 20 to June 25), deaths reported to the CDC rose 4.46 percent from the same period in 2010, compared to just 2.34 percent in the 14 weeks prior. Estimated excess deaths during this period for the entire U.S. are about 14,000.

    EDITOR’S NOTE: A streaming audio replay of a related news event will be available on the Web at http://www.radiation.org as of 4 p.m. EST/2100 GMT on December 19, 2011. Embargoed copies of the medical journal article are available by contacting Ailis Aaron Wolf, (703) 276-3265 or aawolf@hastingsgroup.com.

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  • Anonymous

    Few days back we were talking about the benefits of FDI. The things which were discussed
    that FDI would help improve the delivery system, cold storages will be built,
    more godowns will come up which will help storing the excess grain which
    is left rotting. My question is the money which is being spent on NREGA,
    waiving of farmers loan and now this food security bill, why this money cannot be
    used in building all those mentioned above. Yes, poor poeple of BPL need
    money and food. Give them actual work instead of distributing free money.
    Build the roads which are required, cold storages, godowns, bridges, flyowers
    and dams etc. These all will not only help in bringing down the prices and will
    also give fair prices to the farmers if along with these things the role of
    middlemen is removed/reduced. Our infrastructure will improve also.
    IMO distributing free money without giving jobs to the people and not building
    better infrastructure will be disastrous in long term.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    You have raised some very valid concerns.

    I am given to understand people employed under the NREGA do build basic infrastructure in the rural areas – roads (rudimentary perhaps), dig wells, etc. Is that so?

    However, the flip side of NREGA initiative is that there is a shortage of workers in the agriculture sector (a concern raised by Sharad Pawar and not paid heed to) during the harvest season. What will it do the produce and the prices later, one can only guess.

    FDI. The basic argument in its favour, is that it will bring additional funding for infrastructure in food supply chain – whether these chains will actually spend money to build the warehouses, cold storages and help improve
    delivery system, thus reducing wastage or sensing opportunities, entrepreneurs would step in, do the needful and fill in the blanks is to be seen. One should not be expect state owned entities such Warehousing Corporation of India, Food Corporation of India, etc. If they do get into this, it will mired in all that bureaucratic mess, which we are so familiar and which is not a good thing.

    Writing off loans was an onetime measure.

    Regarding the Food Security Bill, the actual and fine print is to be read as to how it will actually be get implemented and how much of the food and money will actually get siphoned off. We have never tried something like this on such a scale. One needs to worry whether it will be a success or money badly spent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    “”However, the flip side of NREGA initiative is that there is a shortage of workers in the agriculture sector”"

    Is it true ? Or they dont want to work because they have been offered
    free money through NREGA. Why work when you are being paid
    doing nothing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why Sharad Pawar had voiced an opinion that NRGEA be suspended during the harvest seasons, but who is listening?

    There is truth in ‘why work when you get paid for doing nothing”.

  • engrich

    quite interesting

    Sagarika Ghose: Just to come back to your article. You said that Arvind Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia have received $ 400,000 from the Ford foundation. That was one of the reasons that you were sceptical about this movement. Why did you make it a point to put in the fact that Arvind Kejriwal is funded by the Ford foundation.

    Arundhati Roy: Just in order to point to the fact, a short article can just indicate the fact that it is in some way an NGO driven movement by Kiran Bedi, Arvind Kejriwal, Sisodia, all these people run NGOs. Three of the core members are Magsaysay award winners which are endowed by Ford foundation and Feller. I wanted to point to the fact that what is it about these NGOs funded by World Bank and Bank of Ford, why are they participating in sort of mediating what public policy should be? I actually went to the World Bank site recently and found that the World Bank runs 600 anti-corruption programmes just in places like Africa. Why is the World Bank interested in anti-corruption? I looked at five of the major points they made and I thought it was remarkable if you let me read them out:

    1) Increasing political accountability

    2) Strengthening civil society participation

    3) Creating a competitive private sector

    4) Instituting restraints on power

    5) Improving public sector management

    So, it explained to me why in the World Bank, Ford foundation, these people are all involved in increasing the penetration of international capital and so it explains why at a time when we are also worried about corruption, the major parts of what corruption meant in terms of corporate corruption, in terms of how NGOs and corporations are taking over the traditional functions of the government, but that whole thing was left out, but this is copy book World Bank agenda. They may not have meant it, but that’s what’s going on and it worries me a lot. Certainly Anna Hazare was picked up and propped up a sort of saint of the masses, but he wasn’t driving the movement, he wasn’t the brains behind the movement. I think this is something very pertinent that we really need to worry about.

    Sagarika Ghose: So you don’t see this as a genuine people’s movement. You see it as a movement led by rich NGOs, funded by the World Bank to make India more welcoming of international capital?

    Arundhati Roy: Well, I mean they are not funded by the World Bank, the Ford foundation is a separate thing. But just that I wouldn’t have been this uncomfortable if I saw it as a movement that took into account the anger from the 2G Scam, from the Bellary mining, from CWG and then said ‘Let’s take a good look at who is corrupt, what are the forces behind it’, but no, this fits in to a certain kind of template altogether and that worries me. It’s not that I’m saying they are corrupt or anything, but I just find it worrying. It’s not the same thing as the Narmada movement, it’s the same thing as a people’s movement that’s risen from the bottom. It’s very much something that, surely lots of people joined it, all of them were not BJP, all of them were not middle-class, many of them came to a sort of reality show that was orchestrated by even a very campaigning media, but what was this bill about? This bill was very, very worrying to me.

    Sagarika Ghose: We’ll come to the bill in just a bit but before that I want to bring in another controversial statement in your article which has sparked a great deal of controversy among even your old associates Medha Patkar and Prashant Bhushan, where you said, ‘Both the Maoists and Jan Lokpal Movement have one thing in common, they both seek the overthrow of the Indian state.’ Why do you believe that the movement for the Jan Lokpal Bill is similar to the Maoist movement in seeking the overthrow of the Indian state?

    Arundhati Roy: Well, let’s separate the movement from the bill, as I said that I don’t even believe that most people knew exactly what the provisions of the bill were, those who were part of the movement, very few in the media and on the ground. But if you study that bill carefully, you see the creation of a parallel oligarchy. You see that the Jan Lokpal itself, the ten people, the bench plus the chairman, they are selected by a pool of very elite people and they are elite people, I mean if you look at one of the phases which says the search committee, the committee which is going to shortlist the names of the people who will be chosen for the Jan Lokpal will shortlist from eminent individuals of such class of people whom they deem fit. So you create this panel from this pool, and then you have a bureaucracy which has policing powers, the power to tap your phones, the power to prosecute, the power to transfer, the power to judge, the power to do things which are really, and from the Prime Minister down to the bottom, it’s really like a parallel power, which has lost the accountability, whatever little accountability a representative government might have, but I’m not one of those who is critiquing it from the point of view of say someone like Aruna Roy, who has a less draconian version of the bill, I’m talking about it from a different point of view altogether of firstly, the fact that we need to define what do we mean by corruption, and then what does it mean to those who are disempowered and disenfranchised to get two oligarchies instead of one raiding over them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For those interested in the full interview/chat

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/jan-lokpal-bill-is-very-regressive-arundhati-roy/179990-3.html

    A different perspective on Jan Lokpal Bill and corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This is an old article and as usual she has highlighted the problelms
    without giving the solutions. Most of her answers start with ” I think “, is she not sure of what she wants to say? She also
    claims that this is the agenda of world bank and she has mentioned 5 points.

    ) Increasing political accountability

    2) Strengthening civil society participation

    3) Creating a competitive private sector

    4) Instituting restraints on power

    5) Improving public sector management

    What is the problem with these points mentioned above ?

    It will be interesting if some TV channell brings her and Mr. Kejriwal
    for a live debate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You and me know that one does not have to agree with everything anyone says. Just read on and separate the wheat from the chaff.

    I am not sure whether the World Bank is involved. I doubt very much it is so. But then …

    The message that I see that is coming across (and that is what I have been advocating here on blog too) is that we do not need this monster of a Lokpal. Instead we need to correct the systemic errors and clear the bottlenecks (some of which you mentioned above) to make the country/society just – that ‘just’ includes a massive reduction in corruption, which I see is a form a violence.

    Debate involving Arvind Kejriwal and others? Interesting yes and would be great. Though, I doubt he would be willing now – given his conduct for the last several months. Also the fact in the debates, interviews and panel discussions he took part earlier, surely he was ill at ease when confronted with uncomfortable questions. That is why generally Ms. Bedi and others are to be found in these debates and discussions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I mentioned Mr. Kejriwal because he is the main
    force behind Lokpal. Anyone from Anna team
    will be welcome.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    very funny ideas about Arvind Kejriwal from the congressie troll.

    I have seen him in panel discussions, interviews with the toughest editors, public fora, wrtitings in papers and on the net etc. In fact hundreds of them.

    And not once was he found to be ill at ease or incoherent or angry or ducking to answer. Every comment about him by almost all editors is that he is the main force behind the idea of jan lokpal bill, that he has the clearest concept of the bill etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I have not heard any full fledged inerview of Mr.Kejriwal. Only few short ones, in which I felt he was in complete controll of the situation
    and was replying to the questions raised without getting agitated.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He was interviewed extensively by Karan Thapar, Rahul Tomar and Arnab Goswami.

    In all these, he gave sterling performances, giving back more than what he got.

    engrich Reply:

    he is also agent of american intellence agencies in india.making things easy for them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Did shuja {asha tel you this or masood azhar?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Sagarika Ghosh has dusted some old trash containing fuzzy ideas from a crazy writer to show that Jan Lokpal is Nazism incorporated. Just try to make sense of what this crazy means:

    “Yes, not just that, I think centrally, that I was saying earlier, can we discuss what we mean by corruption. Is it just financial irregularity or is it the currency of social transaction in a very unequal society? So if you can give me 2 minutes, I’ll tell you what I mean. For example, corruption, some people, poor people in villages have to pay bribes to get their ration cards, to get their NREGA dues from very powerful vested interests. Then you a middleclass, you have honest businessmen who cannot run an honest business because of all sorts of reasons, they are out there angry. You have a middleclass which actually bribes to buy itself scarce favours and on the top you have the corporations, the politicians looting millions and mines and so on. But you also have a huge number of people who are outside the legal framework because they don’t have pattas, they live in slums, they don’t have legal housing, they are selling their wares on redis, so they are illegal and in an anti-corruption law, an anti-corruption law is naturally sort of pinned to an accepted legality. So you can talk about the rule of law when all your laws are designed to perpetuate the inequality that exists in Indian society. If you’re not going to question that, I’m really not someone who is that interested in the debate then.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    As I had said earlier about people who speak good English. Same happens with
    The people who write good English. Most of the people don’t try to read what she writes,
    They will agree with her because of her good command on the language.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “The people who write good English. Most of the people don’t try to read what she writes.”

    Exactly. A large number of the bloggers here are prime examples of those people – who don’t try to read or cannot read. Just shoot the messenger.

    Anonymous Reply:

    About this lady Ms. Sagarika Ghosh, she should
    have been sacked from CNN-IBN.

    http://www.mediacrooks.com/2011/11/sack-sagarika.html

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    She is the owner … mohan…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Yes I know and that makes it even worse.
    Would love to hear the views of Mr. Sharma on this as he is from the
    same fraternity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    owners don’t sack themselves.
    Besides, she is not merely a ’sleeping partner’. She also has the capacity to make viewers lose their sleep by her incessant talking, questioning and hectoring.

    engrich Reply:

    again attack on personility not content.

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  • Anonymous

    @Abu

    Well then we must also thank the media which raised the stink on Raja…

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ ARUNDHATI IS A PUBLICITY SEEKING TROLL~~ dont get charmed by her ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    As a nation we are surefire suckers for good looking women speaking English– coyly !

    Arundhati is one troll who gets more publicity and importance than she ever ever deserves.

    Consider the following:

    When she recieves the booker and money from an English superstore food chain…for herself… it is called talent. When Kejriwal and Kiran recieve money from the World bank for educating children and removing corruption, she calls it corporate loot and pursuit of materialism !! Wah Wah Wah !!

    When she begged Channel 4 for a budget and made a very very lousy film which lampooned Indian English for the benefit of British viewers– the Electric moon– she called it art. When SHekhar kapur made the brilliant “Bandit Queen,” she called him an exploiter of women, an atyachari who was looting the izzat of the downtrodden !!
    Wah Wah Wah !!

    When you and me wish our brave soldiers to fight the evil jehadis in Kashmir, we are called RSS, right wingers, peddlars of Hindutva. When she consorts with the Taliban, the funders of jehads– who kill and brainwash children and people who want India broken– like the dacoit Gilani, she terms it as liberalism

    Wah what an intellect !!

    When the nation is outraged as ISI, Kasab and company launch a terror attack on Indians killing 166 , she calls it misplaced grief. That the killed were symbols of rich and corporate loot !!

    Wah !! pyaari Arundhati Wah !!

    Right now this troll is being left out that she is nowhere in the picture as this huge important legislation for removing corruption is about to happen. Her jealousy shows in every word she spews…. Her saathi Prashant Bhushan too talks with Kiran Bedi who is a nationalist, a doer and the exact opposite of Arundhati

    Hell hath no fury than a JEALOUS woman scorned!

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    You are right VIjay, she is a publicity seekar. The people of Jammu have special scorn for her as she sides up with the terrorists in Kashmir and even did so in26/11

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    do you by any chance know Rahul Gandotra?

    ‎’The Road Home’, the short film, by Rahul Gandotra reaches the top ten for the race at the Oscar’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Nicely put. You have analysed the lady very well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar has a special talent for analysing publicity-seeking ladies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Shenoy. it helps you avoid kiss and tell situations… !

  • Anonymous

    Sadly Arundhati Roy has not given one single pracxtical idea which can be implemented and is good for India. Her reasons all arise from a need for remaining in the news.

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  • Anonymous

    Sadly Arundhati Roy has not given one single pracxtical idea which can be implemented and is good for India. Her reasons all arise from a need for remaining in the news

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  • shekhar gandotra

    We would have been happy if your father had thought about family planning, worn a rubber and you would not have happened.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your comment speaks volumes about you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He has become an unwanted guest!

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  • Anonymous

    The favourite game – Shoot The Messenger – is being played out here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar if u r referring to my comments on Arndhati… why dont u refute them point wise.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    1) Whatever gave you the idea that I was referring to your comments? Guilty mind!!!

    1) Secondly, I am not into the ‘pastime’ of Shoot The Messenger, except for a stray remark here and there. So no shooting Arundhati Roy or Arun Jaitley (see walk the talk above) or anybody else.
    2) Thirdly, you are being presumptuous as always ( I suppose that is on the expected lines – given your mindset). Nowhere I have said I agree with the all the views/opinions of Arundhati Roy or yours or for that matter anyone else’s. (Read my exchange with Mohan below). Though I will defend her or your or other people’s right to hold any views, however disagreeable they may be to me. Therefore, there is no question of refuting or agreeing with whatever you have written about her. I have chosen to ignore your post on this count.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx… I will aso uphod your right to have different views, even though I may disagree with them.

    As Far as Arundhati goes, i find her a flea who can upset a national program for persona gain. Shekhar Gandotra has commented on her as a Kashmiri .

    Still, I wonder what your views on her are when she made light of 26/11 qne the murders by Kasab and ISI. Well as a Mahrashtrian maybe it os closer home than the tragedy of Kashmir…

    i woud luv to know your views on her defense of the terorists saying that Indian capitalism was somewhere a partner of the global forces repressing the jehadis…

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Thx… I will also uphold your right to have different views, even though I may disagree with them”.

    Why mine only? Everyone’s. Having decided to do so, I sincerely hope that you will stop using abusive language against those who do not agree with you. Kyoon apnaa naam kharaab karte ho? Sorry for the moral science lecture.

    Frankly, I do not remember or recall what exactly she had said (perhaps I had ignored her comments then). Anyone justifying violence and killing of innocents whatever be causes or reasons is downright unacceptable. So if she has and I will take your word for it, I condemn her in the strongest possible terms.

  • Anonymous

    Walk the Talk with Arun Jaitley

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/you-cant-build-consensus-by-being-an-introvert-or-if-your-leaders-are-sulking-or-if-there-is-arrogance.-you-must-talk/889748/0

    Excerpt

    And which are the ones you don’t agree with (Team Anna)?

    For example, I’ve told them that I don’t agree with this whole concept that Lokpal or Lokayukta should be empowered to bug telephones. You’re putting the Prime Minister under the Lokpal. You don’t want a state where the Prime Minister’s phones (are bugged). The Prime Minister doesn’t talk only corruption on the phone, he talks a lot of serious stuff. Ministers talk a lot of serious stuff. Therefore, let there be some existing safeguards. Then for instance, they wanted Prime Minister unconditionally to come in. We said no. You’ll have to put in a lot of conditions and safeguards so that people don’t keep harassing the Prime Minister. They wanted the judiciary to come in. Now the Lokpal, essentially, is not a judicial institution. It’s an executive institution. You can’t put judiciary under the executive.

    But in one of your states—Uttarakhand—that’s been done.

    It has been done. And I’m sure somebody will test it, whether that’s possible or not. My own view is that for the judiciary, you need the National Judicial Commission. That’s the need of the hour.

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  • Anonymous

    When you talk about corruption, the Americans are no less corrupt than us.

    Read on:

    Three contractors were bidding for a job of fixing a fence at the White House.
    Each one was from India, China and Japan.
    The Chinese said “$700″
    The Japanese said, “$900″
    The Indian whispered in the officer’s ear, “$2700″
    The Officer said to the Indian, “You gave such a high figure?”

    The Indian whispered again, “$1000 for me, $1000 for you and let us hire the Chinese to do the job”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If it is the white house fencing we are talking about…. the chinese would have more than realised the value… by gettting $ 100,000 of info by planting a bug…

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    engrich Reply:

    now 1000 for lokpal as well so rate will be 3700.

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  • engrich

    You can’t live properly on $16 an hour.

    “The Center for Automotive Research … said it expected the Detroit automakers to hire 14,750 hourly employees in the next four years.

    “They would receive entry-level wages of $16 to $19 an hour.

    “Workers hired before 2007 earn about $29 an hour

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  • engrich

    vijay and shenoy,

    What is a fascist?

    “They claim to be superpatriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution.

    “They demand free enterprise but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Frankly look into the mirror and find the fascist.

    A person who wishes to make light of all the murders commited by his own co-jehadis; a person who has been brainwashed into thinking that what the madrassa teacher says is the only truth and the rest lies by brhmnst, zionist, bullshitsms media. A person who feels kasab was a Hindu and Osama a robin hood and Masood Azhar a genius.

    If you can reverse your mindset and brainwashng you can rescue yourself from fascism for the rest of your life and atone for some sins. Othersiwe… u will remain a fasicist.

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    engrich Reply:

    Fascists from such places as the USA, Israel, Europe, Turkey, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia worked together.

    These fascists had a common interest in the preservation and promotion of (1) the Feudal System and (2) mafia activities

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  • Anonymous

    Viju

    Arundhati, the one book wonder, has lost her mind…

    The one book became a wonder because she was against Marxism in the book (ridiculing the great Kerala/India communist leader EMS Namboodiripad ) and of course talking about the untouchable Velutha (untouchability had gone away long ago in Kerala thru Temple Entry pronouncements etc, nd later thru the communist influence)..Westerners delighted — here is another “how bad it is in India”..

    (in fact the resort operators of Kumarakom must be paying he rbecause she made Aymanam famous through her book)

    her mother Mary Roy has done more for women; her landmark case instituted “equal” property rights for syrian christian women of Kerala

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    engrich Reply:

    EMS Namboodiripad

    ems like anyother brhmn was fraud.she was right.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mohanr , In the last blog you asked me about Higgs Boson. You need a veteran of this blog , whom I miss sorely. His blog name is BOBBY, Ashish knows him well.
    His subject is theoretical Physics. I had conferred on him the title of my blog physica tutor. Bobby my mate where ever you are join us.
    Apparently Prof Higgs was asked to explain in simple terms in a BBC interview , and what he said , nobody could make head or tail out of it.
    One guy said , and I heard him on BBC , that Boson is like a ARC which connects the two limbs on the right and left.The right limb representing STANDARD THEORY and the left limb representing SPECIAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY.
    For illiterates like me , put simply , it is as you know when the universe was created with a big bang , there was scattering of massive amount of energy. That is the energy we see all around. The problem was with the MASS, and where did it come from . Apparently Higgs Boson explains the mass.
    They all talk about Higgs Boson , in western media BUT NEVER POINT OUT WHAT BOSON IS, FOR THAT WILL BRING TO THE FORE THE NAME OF AN INDIAN SCIENTIST, whose paper on the same matter was rejected by the British Journal of Physics. So he sent it ton Einstein in GERMAN.(He and Meghnad Saha , both knew German and were the first persons in the world to translate Einstein’s famous paper in English. Einstein was impressed and published it in German journal with his comments and commendation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Thanks for trying to explain Higgs bosson. Even I saw in a Tv programme someone
    Was explaining this particle, but, everything went over my head.
    Appreciate your response.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    See if this makes sense to you and helps you to understand it better.

    Q&A: The Higgs boson

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16116236

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks. Will go through this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shan and Other Blog Friends,
    Mass and Energy are interchangeable. So why should there be so much confusion on it.
    I have my own theory on it . We have to understand concepts of Zero and Infinity properly. Currently It is being visualized that Universe started from a Big Bang. Now what was before Big Bang?It is theorized that it was some intense collection of energy.So in effect we are talking about a finite energy.In my view universe is Infinite. We will never be able to find the end of Universe as that is Infinite.Same way we will never be able to find the smallest particle , as Smallness starts approaching Zero,but never Zero.However we will always be able to find small and still smaller finite things by differentiating with limits as also big and bigger things by Integrating within limits.
    So imposed limits makes Finite while without limits it tends to be Zero or Infinite. Infact Zero and Infinite are at a level both different forms of Infinite.These are mathematical concepts ,but a non mathematician can also visualise them.
    My theory on Start of Universe is that Consciousness is all pervading.There comes a thought in Consciousness ,there evolved “Formula of Universe”, there came “TIME ,SPACE,and ENERGY”.All these things with infinite limits.Big Bang could have been one of the things happening .Universe shall also end by the same route . Time,Space and Energy shall collapse in consciousness.
    We do everything with reference to Time,Space and Energy.Matter is only a derivative of Energy. Try to visualise without above three.
    Sorry friends if it is sounding a Stupid theory.Please bear with me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Aaloke

    Thanks, It is an interesting viewpooint. But when you say consciousness do you really link it with religion or do you hav ed anything else in mind…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    Interesting read.

    True that mass and energy are interchangeable and that is not the issue. The point is that what gives mass to all the elements in the universe in the first place and this Higgs-Boson (God Particle) – theoretically predicted way back in 1964 – is supposed to be that missing thing.

    How the universe began and will end – your guess is good as any,
    so you do not sound stupid at all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Very interesting. Worth pondering upon.

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  • Anonymous

    Lokpal Bill approved: CBI out, PM in with safeguards

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Lokpal-Bill-approved-CBI-out-PM-in-with-safeguards/Article1-784983.aspx

    —————–

    Though I am against the creation of this institute, IMO, the bill approved by the Cabinet is a good one. Now it is left to the both houses of the parliament to take call on it. Once it becomes a law, then if someone challenges any of its provisions on the grounds they being unconstitutional, then the Supreme Court will have a final say.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar-

    Hopefully this will help in a little or big way to clean up the system. I know you had opposition based on pragmatics; let us give it a chance. We all agree that the system is rotten; may be this will create another 20,000 corrupt Indians. As you know I have started wondering what is the right system for us, for that maytter any country? We are going through quite tough time all over the world ; crony capitalism destroyed world economy, and it will take a while to get back; USA is in an extreme pessimistic mood, young people (including ours) are getting agitated etc etc. Inyternet has made everybody “powerful”; old systems/command-controls etc do not work any more. UPA should have got this behind long ago; the prolonged arguments gave people a perception that Congress has something to hide.

    The whole thing was a golden opportunity for BJP, but they also screwed up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I hope you are proved right re: Lokpal and I am proved wrong. I am very sceptical about it though, for reasons I have been putting forth and our track record.

    Complicated legislation always takes time in a democracy – there are many stakeholders – especially in a country like India.

    This Lokpal bill will be tabled tomorrow in the Parliament and then let us see where it goes and what final shape it takes.

    We have also have discussed the golden opportunities missed by the BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    Like Gopji I also believe that this Lokpal will make a difference
    if properly implemented. I think we are on the threshold of
    the huge change for a better India in comming years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I only hope it does.

  • Anonymous

    Egrich
    Namboodiripad was a great man/leader (although I do not subscribe to Communism). He gave away his considerable wealth to the party; did not induct any of his children into political power, Lots of social progress for whichw e are proud in Kerala is partly a result of his vision

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    engrich Reply:

    he gave away his considerable wealth to the party

    this is a himalyan lie.he did not give anything.i was secretary of cpm at district level i know about him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I agree with you. I have always respected EMS Namboodiripad as a leader, as a human being. He approximates the axiom, “nishkaama karma”. I am no believer in communism, but I can and will always give EMS a Lal Salaam.

    This jihadi, engrich, is insulting the memory of a true leader.

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    engrich Reply:

    u are an ignorant person.gopi might be knowing better.gopi can u tell me the name of any property or cash which he donated to poors.his generosity was part of marxist propaganda,which i also believe for quite long.later it came out to be lie.

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  • Anonymous

    guys- something is wrong with the software – Replies are not going into reply, but comes out as brand new comment

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  • Anonymous

    India most uncharitable in South Asia

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-most-uncharitable-in-South-Asia/articleshow/11187473.cms

    In the South Asia region, India is the worst performer with a global ranking of 91. In 2010, India ranked at 134. Pakistan, which was ranked at 142 last year, has made it to 34th position this year. Sri Lanka is ranked 8th while Bangladesh is 78 and Nepal 84.

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  • Anonymous

    Novel way of collecting muncipal taxes in Bihar.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/sweepers-to-collect-municipal-tax-dues-1.954569

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Nice.

    We do not pay taxes and yet expect that the government/local bodies do their duty.

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  • Anonymous

    No more deals on lokpal: Sonia says ready for battle

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/No-more-deals-on-lokpal-Sonia-says-ready-for-battle/Article1-785116.aspx

    At last, someone from the UPA/Congress has shown the guts to take on Anna and opposition. Should have happened long time back.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Team Anna has not accepted this Lokpal. Fight is on. We have to wait
    and watch who blinks first.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Sonia Gandhi’s belligerance is too little and very,very, very late. Only congressie trolls here will feel some kind of a fire being rekindled in the congress belly.

    Over the last year or so, the congress party has suffered one debacle after another, politically. It shows that it is passing through some very bad times in its kundali. Sonia Gandhi’s undisclosed illness necessitating surgery by unknown doctors at secret hospitals supposedly in US under mysterious circumstances is all part of that ‘durdashaa’.

    Therefore, while we can excuse the trolls feeling for elated at her latest pseudo-toughness, we can confidently say that she will lose the eye ball to eye ball confrontation.

    THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE COUNTRY WILL NOT COUNTENANCE ANY MORE DELAYING TACTICS BY THE MOST CORRUPT PARTY IN THE WORLD.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Without the help of opposition this bill cannot be passed
    atleast in Rajya Sabha. What is the stand of BJP on this
    one? Will they allow this weak Lokpal to be passed ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    the point to be noted here is that the congress party has never been in support of a Lokpal bill, strong or weak.

    At least after Anna and his team took up the issue of corruption in the government/s, the BJP has repeatedly said that it is for a strong Lokpal bill.

    It means that the CBI cannot be a handmaid of the ruling party anymore. Now, the BJP says that it will be independent of government control, like the election commission or CAG. WHat is the shape it is going to take is to be seen.

    If the congress party continues to be obstructionist and tries to prevent the country from having a strong Lokpal, the BJP and associate parties may come on the side of team Anna and then the fast will take new political colours.

    engrich Reply:

    he wants voilence or indian spring.most of his demand are met.evolution is better than revolution.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The point I was making that we did not see tough talk from the Congress to call the bluff. Now let us see what happens next.
    The bill will be tabled tomorrow and then we have to see where the individual parties stand.

    For giving the Lokpal a constitutional status, 2/3rd of the members in each house of the parliament have to vote in amending the constitution.

    As I see, the Anna team is now out of the equation. it will be between the various parties in the Parliament.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Team Anna is not out of the equation yet.

    You are living in your own world where Sonia mata is the ultimate authority. Her govt. was forced to backtrack on FDI and obvoiusly she won’t be able to get this (reportedly) powerless Lokpal bill passed in both houses.

    Anna and his team (not gang – gang is of the Sonia coterie) would carry on their fight for their cause and nation won’t be on the side of Sonia this time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please read my comment again, I did not say she will be able to get the bill passed. I had said now it is between the various parties in the parliament to see what happens to the bill and what shape it takes.

    It is to be seen whether Anna is out of the equation or not, which I believe he is and expressed my view.

    I did not say and consider Sonia as the ultimate authority. She may be a ‘mata’ to you, not to me. Some of you are so obsessed with the family not a day passes without some comment about them.

    My point was at least someone got up and said enough is enough. Congressmen were just seen as spineless in dealing with Anna Hazare..

    It is to be seen whether Anna is out of the equation or not, which I believe he is.

    Here in Bombay, Team Anna is asking for the waiver of rent for the ground (at BKC complex) to stage his “fast”. The rent is Rs 2,00,000 per day. It is to be seen if the Congress-NCP government will oblige.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you can’t get the bill passed on your own, you at least don’t make statements which shows arrogance.

    What has happened to arrogants all over the world is not hidden. I hope she is gets right advices and not led to beleive that her party and can do whatever it wants and others can be simply shooed away.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I suggest you read what exactly has been said. She probably is arrogant. Let her be.

    The situation for the opposition parties now is they will be damned if they help to pass it (as it is) and they will be damned if they oppose it and prevent it from becoming law.
    Therefore, I said that it will be between the parties to decide the fate of the bill.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The opposition parties would NOT let this bill be passed in its current form.

    The onus of presenting a diluted bill to the parliament (because Sonia or her NAC wants it that way) lies completely with Congress, and people including Team Anna would not hold the opposition responsible for its non passage in this session.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is you view, which I do not agree with.

    Anna not not holding opposition responsible!

    There is nothing more to say, as to some hidden intent of the team and on whose behest they have been making noises all this time. This my view and you may or may not agree with.

    Now, it does not matter whether Anna gets angry or not. I repeat, now it is the parliament that will thrash the matter out.

    engrich Reply:

    the same gang kept india paralyzed for 8 years on ra m mandir issue.

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    engrich Reply:

    ANNA SHOULD BE TREATED STRICTLY.his gang wants voilence like arab springs in india.arab sprigs gave nothing to common man.except installtion of extremist islamist regimes.anna too is puppet of brhmncl fascists forces in india.
    i salute soniajee for her clear stand.now u will see they will run in womens clothes like ram deo.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    your tribe can’t think beyond violence.

    Fasting and offering to be arrested to protest against something is the same as violence – go get a certificate from your supporters.

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    engrich Reply:

    after partiton 600 communal riots,bomb planting ,money swindling assam mascare gujrat mascares were not done by us.
    cia/mossad agents wants voilence in the name of corruption.so put demands which are unreasonable,cannot be met,like in case of ram mandir,then start voilence.after election forget them.

    this is brhmncl conspiracy to enslave other races.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK fine, if it makes u happy it is brhmncl conspiracy.

    no wonder your tribe sides with Congress – the ISI brainwashes u to side with the real and only secular party in this country.

    engrich Reply:

    u have no awnser.congress was always brhmn lead party.

  • Anonymous

    guys a very interesting article by an EX SECRETARY FROM RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS WING, in todays HT. Most of it we suspected , but he gives a blow by blow account. MADE ME FEEL PROUD ABOUT THE STANDARD IN THAT ESTABLISHMENT

    Here is an excerpt
    It is the control of production and distribution of oil that has helped America’s military and economic rise. The gigantic oil conglomerates bankrolled its post-World War economic boom. The West endeavours to retain control of both. Oil major BP has calculated that the world consumed 13.2 billion tonnes of oil in 2010. In the same year, oil production was only 82 million barrels a day as against the estimated 97 million barrels a day. Future predictions about increased production are not very encouraging either. Worse, the world would need a 40% increase in fossil fuel supplies by 2030 for industrial powers and for sharply increasing demands from China, India and other nations. West Asia’s multiple insecurities affect not only Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States but also global growth which depends on uninterrupted energy supplies.

    The Great Game of the century in West Asia is ultimately about the control of the region and its energy resources.

    ( Vikram Sood is former secretary, Research & Analysis Wing )

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    engrich Reply:

    oil producing countrie should have freedom to sell their oil ,in currency they want.dollar should not be compulsion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It has always been a game of controlling resources since the advent of mankind.

    Today, Chinese are the most aggressive practitioners of this game.

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  • engrich

    Kim Jong-il’s body lies in state in glass coffin

    something worth watching.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi

    An Indian fox for the Chinese dragon

    http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/inside-story/2011/12/21/an-indian-fox-for-the-chinese-dragon/

    Excerpt

    Menon speaks Mandarin Chinese fluently but he negotiates with Beijing in English. He is a pedigreed diplomat with roots in Kerala, but he is equally at ease with Punjabi aggressiveness in Delhi — including all the cuss words.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar–
    Yup, those Menon/Nairs are all smart..btw Nirupama Rao is also a menon –Nirupama Menon Rao…

    btw Ranjan Mathai, the current foreign secretary is from Kerala too…

    Not bad for a “narrow strip” as Shoeb said

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Down the years, there have been state-wise coteries among the top level bureaucracy. At one time the officers from UP, Bihar, Tamil Nadu and Kerala were the most powerful and influential. Presently, I think UP and Bihar groups have been marginalized.

    There are never enough IAS/IPS officers from Maharashtra – people in the state seem to prefer jobs in the private sectors, which are plenty in Bombay and other parts of the state. The number of Maharashtrians (Marathi speaking) in the elite services is very small compared to overall strength.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar –

    In fact, as the economy grows and executive jobs with zillion rupees open up, it will eb difficult to attract quality caliber people to defence, administartion etc. Public sector payscale has but may never catch up with private…

    Obviously , we will have a fair share of patriots

  • Anonymous

    Ishwar

    We have been discussing the Lokpal bill below, whether the new bill is weak or rubbish or whatever and should it be made stronger or more powerful.

    Did you not (in the previous blog) raise your concern (rightly so) about the efficacy of the institution of Lokpal on the grounds as to how does one ensure that its personnel (numbering in thousands) are above board and would remain so?

    Is there not a conflict with your present arguments with the previous one?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I had raised the concern about the personnel needed to man this institution if it were to include Group C employees. I don’t have a satisfactory answer yet.

    Now, although the bill is yet to be tabled, some media reports suggest that it is a significantly watered down version of the Lokpal bill which Team Anna has beed demanding.

    Please consider the case of CBI for example. It has been kept out of the purview of the Lokpal bill. It effectively means that the CBI still remains under govt. control (the party in power may change). The Lokpal would simply be a receptionist – getting complaints and then forwarding the same to CVC or CBI.
    Is this the Congress’s description of a strong Lokpal?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar/Ishwar,

    Anna team calls this governments Lokpal A POST OFFICE.
    The head of the Lokpal will be called POST MASTER.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar / Mohan

    First of all, let me clarify that nowhere I have said the new draft of the bill is perfect.

    1) The bill demanded by Team Anna was draconian and would not have stood the test of constitutionality.

    BTW: A Lokayukta Bill of Uttarakhand is on the lines Team Anna’s and even Arun Jaitely has questioned it

    Jaitley’s veiws

    AJ: “They (Anna) wanted the judiciary to come in. Now the Lokpal, essentially, is not a judicial institution. It’s an executive institution. You can’t put judiciary under the executive.

    SG: But in one of your states—Uttarakhand—that’s been done.

    AJ: It has been done. And I’m sure somebody will test it, whether that’s possible or not. My own view is that for the judiciary, you need the National Judicial Commission. That’s the need of the hour”.

    2) As I have understood, Team Anna’s demand (forget its intent – known or hidden) is to create a “parallel government” answerable to no one. Government over government.

    3) I would like to have the CBI independent of the Government – I suppose somewhat on the lines of FBI in USA.

    However, whatever details are available and my view of Team Anna’s demand that CBI must be subservient to the Lokpal is not tenable. One cannot be the complainant, investigator, prosecutor and judge all rolled into one.

    4) I again ask, who is Team Anna? The only credit that they should be given is to put this process on fast track. As AB Bardhan (CPI) had told Kejriwal that his team was not the only repository of wisdom. I would go further and say that they are no repository of wisdom at all. With legal luminaries among them, I am amazed that they drafted what they drafted. The Supreme Court would have thrown out most of its provisions out of the window.

    The bill that will passed can be examined minutely by the Supreme Court.

    I await your responses.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Has team Anna asked for whole CBI under Lokpal or only
    its investigating arm ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    As I understand – whole.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    As far as I understand that they have only asked for the investigating arm of
    CBI to be included.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As per the original draft of Jan Lokpal, they wanted the CBI to be merged with the Lokpal.

    Subsequently, if they have amended their demand, I am not sure.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1. Yes, I don’t like any institution to be above the judiciary. Despite a few cases of corruption against the judges, our judiciary by and large is fairle reliable. We should not not allow anyone to supercede it or question its decisions.

    2. From what I understand (I have very limited knowledge and learn from you),it won’t be a parallel govt. There are instances when the high and mighty in beaurocracy and legislative get away because the agency which are supposed to investigate and prosecute reports to it. There must be someone in at least the investigative or prosecution role which doesn’t report to it. Final decision maker should always be the judiciary.

    3. Completely agree with point 3. If CBI should not be under Lokpal, it shouldn’t be under the govt. either.

    4. Agree with this as well. I always love to add this bit – no one from this team should get a place in the proposed institution.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What the Government has done to make Lokpal lean and effective is to separate laws to reduce corruption under different bills and laws. –

    1) Lokpal to look into corruption at higher levels.
    2) National Judicial Commission to look wrongdoings in the Judiciary.
    3) The Whistle Blowers Act
    4) The Citizen’s Charter and Grievance Redressal Bill to look into corruption at lower levels.

    For some reasons (known only to the Team Anna), they want all of the above to be under Lokpal. One wonders why? Perhaps they had thought they would play a major role and have a say/influence – I am only guessing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    To the observation of AB Bardhan about repository of wisdom, see what some parties are already saying

    SP, RJD oppose Lokpal Bill; BJP mum as Congress ‘ready’ for fight

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/SP-RJD-oppose-Lokpal-Bill-BJP-mum-as-Congress-ready-for-fight/articleshow/11195507.cms

    Yechury takes dig at Team Anna over Lokpal Bill

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Yechury-takes-dig-at-Team-Anna-over-Lokpal-Bill/Article1-785384.aspx

    Whether one agrees with them or not (for whatever reasons), you cannot completely ignore their concerns/viewpoints. They have a certain number of MPs and they will have their say and would vote accordingly.

    Now will Team Anna slam them or the slamming is only reserved for the Congress?

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~ EXACTLY THAT IS WHAT RAHUL AND SONIA SAID…. EXACTLY ~~~ !!
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    The Congress wanted to dodge, fudge and give all credit to the nehru- gandhi parivar as a matter of Pavlovian response.

    They did not want the Lok Pal … Team Anna’s pressure got this to this stage. now Congressis say…. that is what RAHUL AND SONIA WANT EXACTLY !! :)

    They did not want the PM under the Lok Pal. But because of team Anna they have got it. Now they say… EXACTLY… what Rahul and Sonia want !! HA AH

    They did not want the class C employees and the citizens charter, but have included it under pressure of team Anna. Now they say.. EXACTLY what Sonia and Rahul want EXACTLY…. HA HA AHAH !!

    I bet when all Congressis go the the loo they look into the mirror and say
    “EXACTLY…. this is what Sonia and Rahul want EXACTLY >>> !! ”

    HA HAHAH WHAA WAH

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  • Anonymous

    There is one serious flaw in the Lokpal suggested by team Anna. If that becomes
    the law than most of the members of the parliament will be in jail.
    Who will run the country ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I have alist

    Congress benches to be filled by Manohar and company with Vindo Sharma as the leader of the house.

    opposition bences to be filled with Shenoy and co, with the erudite Gopi as the leader.

    Mohan u could be te speaker and give us a joke a day…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Since you have asked for a joke.

    A boy before taking his girl friend to meet his parents, asked her

    Tumhe khaana banana aata hai?

    Girl replied. Khaana to bananan nahi aata Lekin BANANA khaana aata hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Thx…

    I hope there are two intrepretations of this joke… A and U versions !

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure engrich, the ****, will ask the mullah to issue a fatwa against this ‘A’ banana joke.

    And the ‘interim speaker’ will be removed by a voice vote by the seculars for hurting Tajender ****’s religious sentiments.

  • Anonymous

    THE GREATEST JOKE SINCE THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED.
    A girl found dead in the boot of a HONDA cfx car boot .she is aged around 9yrs.
    She was found to have bruises around her genitalia , face and arms.
    POLICE CONCLUDED SHE DIED WHILE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE CAR FROM NATURAL CAUSES.
    will LOKPAL’s remit cover this case which happened in NAGPUR

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan, Ishwar and others.

    Lokpal Bill

    During the last 24 hours or so, many smaller parties have started raising objections to the bill that is to be tabled today. SP, RJD, SS and BSP so far. The list may become longer. The BJP has said it will study the provisions once it is tabled and then react, with the possibility of moving amendments (their right to do so and no issues on this count).

    One wonders whether the bill be passed in the extended session.

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    engrich Reply:

    they are not small,they form majority of indian population.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    You must have created some sort of a record yesterday. You were seen, simultaneously, on 5 English news channels on prime time. I think congratulations are in order.

    You also deserve praise for the steadfast manner you defended the congress party and its jokepal bill.

    The burden of your song seems to be that Lokpal, as an institution, cannot be above the law of the land. However, you didn’t explain to your “devoted” viewers, how, the lokpal, created by an act of parliament, can be above the law, when the parliament itself is subject to judicial scrutiny and fundamental rights and guarantees are unalterable even by the parliament by a two-thirds majority.

    The election commission is outside the administrative or jurisdictional control of the parliament, but for that reason, you cannot say the EC is above the law!

    According to Chandan Mitra, Sonia Gandhi’s new found belligerance, ready-for-battle-ness is because of the change of advisers, who had earlier badly let down her, her party and her government. I wonder if you have been co-opted as one of her new advisers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    You have raised a very valid point. When EC which is completely independent cannot be above law than how Lokpal
    would be above law.

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  • Anonymous

    Then as farce

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/then-as-farce/890472/0

    Excerpts

    By now, political parties should have learnt there is no winning with Team Anna. They are not looking for a mutually negotiated, workable Lokpal — how can they, when they hold our representative institutions and constitutional offices in such contempt? The prime minister is weak, the leader of the opposition is driven solely by self-interest, the CJI is marred by association. This vocabulary of “lying”, “cheating” and complicit public officials may rouse a certain kind of rabble, but it should remind the rest of the dangers of allying with such a shallow, hot-headed movement. Team Anna deserves full credit for ensuring the Lokpal bill has come to this pass — deferred for decades, it will finally be introduced in this parliamentary session.

    —————–

    The point is, given what we know of them, Team Anna must not be allowed to set the terms any more. They do not own the cause of the Lokpal, or that of integrity in public life. The upcoming debate in Parliament must consider the bill on its own terms, without heeding the chants from Hazare’s crowds.

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  • Anonymous

    Lokpal being tabled in parliament is only because of the efforts of Team Anna.
    If they had not agited, this bill would not have seen the daylight. Government claims
    that this is a very strong bill and it will help reduce corruption, which team Anna
    does not agree. Anna has challenged the government to debate this issue in front of
    media, but it seems that governemnt is scared of public debate. If they are so
    sure of their bill then why shy away from the debate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Laws are not made on the streets, in TV studios or by public debates.
    Whatever debates and explanations have to be given by the Government will have to be to the parliament, otherwise it will be breach of parliamentary privilege and the Minister concerned will be hauled up. It wil be foolish on the part of any government functionary to engage Anna in a public debate.

    If the Team Anna is so bloody sure about the ‘goodness, effectiveness and legality’ of their version of the Lokpal, why were they not able to convince a chunk of politicians to back it? Without these politicians, there is no way that any bill will be passed. Shouting on the streets, accusing (rightly or wrongly) the Government, politicians and officials of cheating, lying, etc., and threatening to go on fasts will not get them anything. Confrontations from day one has been their style. All this has gained them ‘taalis’ from the public. The only silver lining is that it has only helped to put the issue of tackling corruption on fast track.

    It is like this, a supplier/vendor comes to you, abuses you, calls you a liar & a cheat, questions your & your company’s credentials and then insists that you must buy only from him (and no one else) justifying that whatever he has to sell is the best. Would you oblige?

    My feeling is that the politicians have had enough of Kejriwal & Co., they are not going to pay much attention to them. See the Indian Express edit below. it has rightly described it as hot-headed movement.

    PS: I doubt the bill will be passed very soon. The house has been adjourned. More fireworks to watch for in the coming days.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Monahar,

    You comparison of the government with a private company is misplaced. Private company is not obliged to do business with anyone,
    however, government if OBLIGED to pass the laws which are beneficial to the public. Anna broke his fast in August after government promised
    of certain things which will be part of the lokpal, on which they are
    detracting now. They keep shouting about the supremacy of the parliament and now they have gone back on what they had promised in
    parliament. How can this government be trusted ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you would be indulging in pointless “discussion” with this congressie troll. From the beginning he has been indulging in the most virulent attacks on Anna Hazare and members of his team. Earlier too he had ‘prophesied’ that Anna would be a big zero. Even when ministers began running like headless chicken, he “foretold” Anna would lose face.

    And then the prime minister himself took the lead to assure Anna that the bill will be presented and passed in the winter session. Even after that this troll continued saying that Anna is a big zero.

    The whole of parliament got seized of the matter and passed a “sense of the house” rsolution to persuade Anna to withdraw his fast. Still, the tirade against Anna continues.

    For the last one week, this government is paralysed by the fear of losing it all. The present ruckus by the gang of the most corrupt chara-chors is all a calculated gamble to send the bill on the way of women’s reservation bill.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nor is Government obliged to do business with a bunch of self appointed guardians. That they gave so much leeway to the Anna team is besides the point.

    It was the Parliament that gave assurance by sense of the house resolution. The problem is that Anna is jumping the gun all the time – Parliament is yet to debate the bill put forward by the Government and he (or rather his gang) is not ready to wait to see if the MPs respect the sense of the house or not, as the final word on it will be by the MPs.

    Whether they shout or not or you agree or not, there can be no dispute and no questions about the supremacy of the parliament. It is supreme, by virtue of being the voice of the 120 crore people. Period. Never mind the fact that many members may not deserve to be there.

    To cite an example of the supremacy of the parliament. The parliament and only the parliament can impeach and remove any holder of the posts of the President, the Vice-President, the Chief Justice & the Judges, the Chief Election Commissioners and other constitutional offices.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    “Why Anna was not able to convince a chunk of politicians ?”
    Do you really trust our politicians ?

    There is reason for such proverbs :

    Hamam mein sab nange hai

    chor chor mausere bhai

    You scratch my back, I scratch yours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Whether we trust our politicians or not is not the point – they have been elected through the ballot box (and point to note is that Team Anna is not) and one has to deal with them,like it or not. If they are insensitive and uncaring, next time we should get a better set of people into the parliament.

    Right you are – You scratch my back, I scratch yours. That is what our political class does all the time. Cutting deals on the sly. No question about it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Scratch my back… or… scratch the balls?

    Anonymous Reply:

    what to do with MPs who have no balls?

  • Dr Mishra

    Greetings from Sharm el Sheikh all-

    saw Mulayam Yadav and Lallu looking scared on TV today- said something like- hum par ek daroga raaj karega.
    haha made my day- more power to Anna and Kejriwaal- TRUE INDIAN FIGHTING GRIT- not the violent convulsions seen here in Egypt.
    Arab spring- dont make me laugh- I may choke on my regulator. I have been educating all the weterners and the Egyptians on my liveaboard boat about Anna and they are all united- IN RESPECT OF GANDHIAN VALUES

    Manohar et al- you missed the bloody point- of course Anna and Kejriwal are theoreticians. The final nitty gritty- cost, undermining of Parliament etc- will be decided in the next few months. What you missed was the higher ideals that Indians are suddenly aiming for- a just and fair society. A beautiful feeling of community linking ppl from villages and cities, big and small, linking the dalit and the muslim with the nation- drawing him away from the militant isms of the jehad and Mandal….

    Dare I say RAM RAJYA?? Mera bharat mahaan

    I know some ppl are now going blue- better go for my first dive. Pressure 150 bar- check. Buoyancy control device-inflated- check. Weights belt- check….warm feeling because of Anna- double chek….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    SMUG B dr mishra has no much faith in india and so much love for its gandhian values ,and so attached to the concept of swabhimaan, THAT HE GAVE UP INDIAN NATIONALITY BEFORE YOU CAN COUNT TEN AND BEGGED THE BRITISH GOVT TO GRANT HIM HIS LONG CHERISHED
    DESIRE TO SING ” God save the queen” in sharm al sheikh in front of egyptians, OR GOING TO BRITISH EMBASSSY FOR HELP IN CAIRO.

    Does the saying about the choice between a SNAKE and a BRAMHIN ring a bell here.
    Or EMPTY VESSEL SOUNDS MUCH

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dr. Mishra;
    I envy you. I use to do deep see diving and was an advance diver with PADI.
    Lucky you are that you are diving in warm water, where fauna is so colourful. Jamica and Dominica is not bad either.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare challenges Sonia Gandhi for a debate on Lokpal VS Jokepal.

    This is really Anna at his funniest. Because Anna can win hands down by mere gesticulating and not speaking one word!

    Because the opposite party has debate-phobia.

    PAPPU CAN’T DANCE SAALA!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Charachor members of UPA raise RSS bogie.

    Anti-corruption bill goes the way of Womenn’s reservation bill.

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  • Anonymous

    Tohafe Mein Mat Gulab Lekar Aana,
    Meri Qabr Par Mat Charag Lekar Aana.
    Bahut Pyasa Hoon Arso’n Se Main,
    Jab Bhi Aana Sharaab Lekar Aana

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ SAB DRAMA HAI… CONGRESS KNEW Superchor lalu and mulayam would derail !
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    Do we have a minorites quota in the judiciary or election commission?

    NO !!

    These bagal mein churri walas new that once they start shouting minorites… minorities…. COngress will be forced to include that. ANd BJP will oppose.

    So the bill will go into abeyance….

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    engrich Reply:

    rss is sleeping cell of international zoinism.this illetrate anna is local face of
    of this voilent cult.like ram mandir he is asking something which cannot be done.i think after thsi parliament indian spring will start.

    last time they caught at 53 places taking training with live ammunitions.why they are not fighting for exploitation of peasants.

    ghandhi is respected by zoinists because he was supermascist and racist.chief recruiter of british army in india and promoter of bhagwad geeta.

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    engrich Reply:

    parliament session

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No Vijay
    This is not a drama. It is well thought out plan by the congress to destroy the Lokpal even before it is born. The Lokpal shall only become another forum of caste politics and not to fight corruption. Congress and the other parties who have built their political edifice on a foundation of corruption for “money power” and “fake secularism” for herding vote-banks can not let the status-quo go. Who are opposed to Lokpal ? Those who have grown using “money power” , “muscle-power” and “vote-banks”. Congress party goes about its task in a polished manner , overtly trying to show that it is doing a great job of creating this institution but covertly undermining it. It is getting ample help from its collaborators in the media, so-called independent thinkers, and those who have benefited from its regime.
    The status -quoists shall fight tooths and nail to retain corruption in the country

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are absolutely right Parveen.

    If an effective Lok Pal comes the first to be hit are Lalu and Mulayam and so many congressis.

    SO they have donned the halo of martyrs yet ensured that the bill is not passed.

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    engrich Reply:

    Do we have a minorites quota in the judiciary or election commission?

    they should have.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    No.

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Why?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Because, when they don’t get deserving candidates, even jihadis like engrich can get govewrnment jobs and indulge in corruption. That is why.

    engrich Reply:

    100%of corrupt caught are not jihadi.

    engrich Reply:

    because of descrimination and bhai bhateeja wad.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Discrimination in Judiciary and bhaibhateejawad? Can you please explain.

  • engrich

    how to desroy and enslave a country,

    Bring false Accusations against Government
    Phase 2) Bomb country to rubble
    Phase 3) Install your own Government
    Phase 4) Loan the money for the “rebuilding” contract
    Phase 5) Win all the contracts
    Phase 6) Heavily in debt the country
    Phase 7) Impose SAP’s through the IMF
    Phase 8) Buy all national assets for pennies
    Phase 9) Send foreign “AID”
    Phase 10) Demand foreign “AID” procure only western products
    Phase 11) Convince the world the country failed because the people are uncivilized.

    anna is on stage.which takes some time other steps.other steps are bit faster.

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    engrich Reply:

    anna is on stage 1.the same game was tried with ram mandir.

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  • Anonymous

    Will the bill see the light of the day?

    —————–

    The Lokpal and Lokayuktas Bill, 2011 was introduced along with a Constitutional (116th Amendment) Bill, even as several parties questioned the “haste” and asserted that Parliament should not allow itself to “succumb” to some individual threatening agitation, a reference to Anna Hazare and his team.

    Rejecting the contention of “undue haste”, the government declared that it was under “no duress” on the issue and it was for Parliamentarians to decide the fate of the Bill.

    “If you feel it is not necessary, we will not have it. Legislation is the domain of Parliament. It is not made on the dharna manch or on the streets,” Finance Minister and Leader of the House Pranab Mukherjee said.

    Various parties, including BJP, Shiv Sena, RJD, AIMIM and AIADMK, opposed introduction of the bill in the current form and wanted the government to revise it.

    While RJD, Samajwadi Party, and AMIM opposed bringing the Prime Minister under the purview of a body which would be “accountable to nobody,” the BJP, JD(U), BJD, DMK and CPI(M) objected to a provision in the Lokpal Bill, claiming that it made it “mandatory” for states to set up Lokayuktas and was an “attack” on the federal structure. The AIADMK registered its objection to both the clauses.

    ———–

    BJP leader Sushma Swaraj objected to the provision for “not less than 50 per cent” reservation for minorities in the proposed Lokpal bench, saying it would mean five in nine-member bench which was “patently unconstitutional” as there was no provision for quota on the basis of religion.

    She noted that there were dozens of Supreme Court orders which said that there should be no reservation beyond 50 per cent. She did not want the judiciary to strike it down.

    Ms. Swaraj said this bill should not be introduced and the government should bring a revised one.

    To this, Mr. Mukherjee said the “legislative competence” should be left to the House and objected to any discussion on the merits of the bill at its introduction stage.

    “It is the Constitutional responsibility of the House to pass a law. It is for the judiciary to pick holes. Let this House not assume the role of judiciary,” he retorted.

    “Whether to pass a bill or not, depends on the numbers,” he said, noting that the Lokpal Bill was “not an ordinary piece of legislation” but something for which the country has been waiting for 40 years.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Let me start with that I do not agree with every thing team Anna says or demands. Having said this, misgovernance has to be tackled by civil society, after all it is in the name of people, that executives are functioning. Yesteryears’ misgovernance has produced this situation. One form of protest is by naxals, which is not correct too, but in some way, our liberals do not decry it in with the same intensity as they slam Anna movement, which has not become violent so far. Anna team is not asking for comforts for middle class. It is asking to check corruption only, which should help citizenary across the board.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/graftthe-rise-politicians-police-most-corrupt-survey/153587/on

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Last paste job for the day.
    Any similarity between AMARI episode and present governance is incidental only?
    http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/subir-roy-how-sick-is-our-private-healthcare/459156/

    Anonymous Reply:

    We cannot deny the fact that the system has become rotten and we have to do something about it. My concluding para in the detailed response says what.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    1) You must have already read the following

    Lokpal Bill: MPs give it to Anna, government Left, Right, Centre

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/Lokpal-Bill-MPs-give-it-to-Anna-government-Left-Right-Centre/Article1-785597.aspx

    2) Why things have come to such sorry pass? The Lokpal bill may not see the light of the day very soon.

    The blame squarely lies all, with the Government, the opposition parties and Team Anna.

    a) The Government really messed it up (by accident or by design – I suspect the former) – by first molly coddling Baba Ramdev and then Team Anna. They should have simply showed them their place way back in March / April, however taking and doing something about the concerns raised.

    b) The opposition parties turned out to be opportunistic and abdicating their own role in favour Team Anna, playing footsie with Kejriwal & Co.

    c) Team Anna sensing ‘victory’(*) kept upping the ante and have not yet given up.

    * My belief (and perhaps shared by many) is that agitating to end/reduce corruption does not seem to be their goal – it was an excuse. No wonder they came up with an draft of Jan Lokpal Bill, which was untenable and most of the provisions were unconstitutional, in spite of having legal luminaries (including a retired Supreme Court judge) to author it. They should have come up with such a fine piece of legislation so that there would have been no conflict Plus singly out a particular party all the time as the target, as if all other parties are without blemish. Perhaps also to settle personal scores.

    —————
    This is from The Indian Express editorial

    By now, political parties should have learnt there is no winning with Team Anna. They are not looking for a mutually negotiated, workable Lokpal — how can they, when they hold our representative institutions and constitutional offices in such contempt? The prime minister is weak, the leader of the opposition is driven solely by self-interest, the CJI is marred by association. This vocabulary of “lying”, “cheating” and complicit public officials may rouse a certain kind of rabble, but it should remind the rest of the dangers of allying with such a shallow, hot-headed movement.

    —————–

    The targeting the Congress party does not seem to have worked at all, if one goes by the recent Municipal Elections in Maharashtra, including the home district of Anna Hazare. Didn’t he say , he will teach the party a lesson? Actually, he must have learnt a lesson instead.

    3) Agree, Civil society groups must be vigilant and should keep reminding the Government of its bounden duties and commitment to good governance, but not the way Anna and his gang went and are going about it.

    Team Anna has to be credited with fast tracking the process of tackling corruption. Whenever this process is over and if Team Anna decides to take on the Government some other issue, what do you think will happen? They will be told to go take a walk.

    They had a golden opportunity to be a good and respected pressure group to tackle host of other serious issues and problems facing the country, they have lost it.

    PS: I will be glad, if this Lokpal bill fails for reasons I have already articulated for several months. And I hope the Government and the civil society groups started paying attention to the root causes of the corruption and other ills and take measures to end to eliminate them. Starting with bringing in a bill for electoral funding.

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  • Anonymous

    Minorities are used to cover Charachori and lootmaar:

    I feel sad that this big drama of Muslim welfare is used to destroy the movement against corruption. The fools are no friends of minorities or Muslims. Did Sikhs, Jains or Christians ask for a quota?

    Muslims should forget all this quota talk and instead try to be equal by performance. Does Zaheer Khan ask for a quota and say that please give me your wicket Ponting as I am a minority. Does Amir Khan say please see my film because I am a Muslim.

    All the enemies of Muslims who want to push us on the road of inferiority complex ask for quotas. Tomorrow someone can legitimately say that there must be something wrong with Islam that they need a quota.? the poor among the Muslims can get the benefit of bckward class reservation.

    Rest is votebank politics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pervez

    On the spot!
    Did Dr Kalam get into prestigious programs thru minority quota?
    Did Azim start his Wipro on a handout?

    Congress and its cronies will keep us down for ever..I hope the next Lok Sabha elections will produce a result like the last Bihar state elections – I do not mean from a party perspective, but from a Muslim vote perspective..Muslims in that election went with the ‘development” people; hopefully that behaviour it will be repeated in the next Lok Sabha election, and once and for all Congress will be taught a lesson!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you Shoeb

    It is nice to hear that they are more and more voices like us. Azim is indeed a role mode for Muslims and for that matter all Indians. So is Abdul Kalam– a gentle, caring president who will always be remembered.

    I think all more Muslims need to stand up and shun some of these idiots who masquerade as our leaders but are more interested in building their own wealth.

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    engrich Reply:

    talk of general not exceptions.

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    engrich Reply:

    Did Sikhs, Jains or Christians ask for a quota?

    they are over represented.2%brhmns hold 66%of administrative posts in india. 5

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  • Anonymous

    “Sense of the House” resolution has now become nonsense of the House.
    Khoda pahad aur nikla chuha!

    I hold Kapil Sibal, Chidambaram and Abhishek Singhvi personally responsible for wrecking the senbse of the house and producing a “babu bachao” bill.

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    Larry Reply:

    Agree with your comments…also don’t forget the contribution of some very pliant media, including Vinod Sharma’s paper…which has not only been portraying Anna as a villain since the last one week in its headlines, but also gave an award to Robert Vadra – most stylish person of Delhi in 2011!! This paper is certainly fit to be called Dynasty Times

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  • Anonymous

    Well, one way to look at these is that things could be worse…..Gilani has openly stated that his army is sabotaging the elected government!

    May be there is no dfference between army sabotaging there, and MPs and ministers sabotaging here!

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  • Anonymous

    We were talking of Verghese Kurien in the previous blog.

    An illustrious son of India (and Kerala) , Dr Padmananbha Krishna Iyengar (PK Iyengar) passed away last week.

    Pk Iyengra and his team produced the plutonium indigeneously from the Poornima reactor. Poornima was designed by Iyengar. This plutonium from Poornima was the engine behind Pokhran atomic testing.

    Unlike many scientsts of those days (and now), Padmanabha Iyengar’s education was all in India. He studied in Kerala from his grade school to MSc, then at Bhabha/Tata Institutes.

    Padmanabha Iyengar, Varghese Kurien, Abdul Kalam — What a great country!

    (in spite of these stupid parliamentarians!)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    In spite of stupid and rotten political discourse, the country has produced a very long list of distinguished personalities that make us very proud indeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @manohar_T, Couple of personalities dont make or break a country .
    What does was aptly pointed out by you but as expected ignored by all bloggers.
    INDIA RANKS LOWEST AMONGST COUNTRIES IN GIVING CHARITY.
    in UK 90% of youth have taken part in some charitable work in the last year.
    You don’t need treatise on sociology or economics to explain India , the likes of SMUG Mishra and like minded others will do it for you,just read their post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    True, one swallow does not a summer make.

    The achievements of few among 120 crore is just a ray of hope, as on most parameteric indices India hovers in the bottom half of the list.

    About charity, I have posted a link here – as per news item thereof we are the worst in SAARC countries – leave alone comparing ourselves with the rest of the world.

    Perhaps this ranking only includes charity through official links and recorded. I wonder if we can include alms to the beggars (a very widespread practice and could be considered as a form of charity), donations to many numerous temples by anonymous persons, which in most cases is utilized for schools, hospitals and other welfare schemes. Plus there must be numerous cases of charity in various places and known in the area concerned and no bragging, hence outside the data zone.

    engrich Reply:

    gopi is it neccessary to speak lie at every occasion

    Iyengar was trained in Canada working under Nobel laureate in Physics Bertram Neville Brockhouse.his achievement were not so great.being iyenger he was elevated to the post of chairman of atomic energy commission.they are expert in propaganda.in banglore i have seen them.except copying old russian designs they dont do anything.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Burning midnight oil in Sharm el Sheikh”””””””””

    Dr Pankaj, glad to hear you are also a PADI diver. Still active ??
    Gopi- thanks for info ‘ Unlike many scientsts of those days (and now), Padmanabha Iyengar’s education was all in India ‘
    Parvez- brilliant clarity- @ I feel sad that this big drama of Muslim welfare is used to destroy the movement against corruption ‘
    Shoeb- ‘ I hope the next Lok Sabha elections will produce a result like the last Bihar state elections – Muslims in that election went with the ‘development” people ‘
    Shoeb and Parvez, do all your muslim friends and relatives think like you, just curious

    Saw Mulayam’s son for the first time on TV today, aggressive about quotas in Lok Pal, and I was disappointed. He just seemed like a polished version of Dad in style, but not in substance. Maybe I had hoped for more

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    engrich Reply:

    Gopi- thanks for info ‘ Unlike many scientsts of those days (and now), Padmanabha Iyengar’s education was all in India

    it is a lie.

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    engrich Reply:

    Parvez- brilliant clarity- @ I feel sad that this big drama of Muslim welfare is used to destroy the movement against corruption

    in up our state muslims are 18.5%.in job of patwari ,which do not require any special skill we are .6%(point six percent).same is position in other fields as well..jahan bhai bhateejawad is social duty reservation is must.

    dr awnser me,what is connection between muslim welfare and and movement
    against corruption.corruption can be finished moral teaching are given to boys from lower level.which is absent in india.people go dargah and temples to pray for the succes of their fraud.when succeed 40 crores ka taaj.allh bhagwan are pertner in robbery.movement of anna is to establish brhmnsm in india.

    muslims are creator of wealth being extremely poor and hard worker they want peace nd support who are for development.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because of communalists like you who dont want Muslims to mix with other people in villages.

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    engrich Reply:

    what an idiotic awnser.jobs are given against hefty bribe and family connections.even hindus are victims of this corruption.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dr. Mishra.
    Sorry, not now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tanks Dr mishra

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  • Anonymous

    Civil society can flag, not flog an issue: Bhagwati

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Civil-society-can-flag-not-flog-an-issue-Bhagwati/Article1-785792.aspx

    As Anna Hazare launched another scathing attack on the government on Thursday, there was a word of advice for the civil society that Hazare represents. “They should learn the value of dialogue, not diatribe,” noted economist Jagdish N Bhagwati said, delivering the Intelligence Bureau
    Centenary Endowment Lecture on “Designing Institutions for Governance Reforms on Thursday.

    Bhagwati, who teaches economics and law at Columbia University, also took pot-shots at the Anna Hazare movement that had “turned into uncivil society instead”.

    “The mayhem among those activists reminds one of American free-style wrestling where there are no rules or, more cynically, the only rule is that you must hit below the belt,”

    ————–

    Bhagwati — who held the licence raj responsible for sowing the seeds of corruption that trickled down to the lower bureaucracy over time — said the greatest disappointment with the civil society was their presumption that they could supplant the democratic process.

    “The UPA government has been exactly right: the civil society can agitate, it can make suggestions but it cannot be allowed to impose solutions. They are good at flagging an issue; they are not good at flogging it,” Bhagwati said.

    Bhagwati also emphasised that the Lokpal, in any form, would not prevent corruption but reduce its adverse effects.

    “The real problem … is not its (Lokpal’s) problematic efficacy. Rather it lies in the fact that these measures do not provide mitigation which would reduce the incentives for corruption,” he said.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Enrique

    You are a fool, a duffer an anti national coward. You are the shaitan who should be remembered at haj and pilloried . Why do you want muslims to be scared and backward?

    Last time you were defending 75 yr old Arabs picking on 12 yr ild Indo-**** girls. Why dont you go to Saudi Arabia and do the same thing there? Please do that and if you come back WITH HANDS then type us the answer.

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    engrich Reply:

    Why do you want muslims to be scared and backward.

    jobs are given against hefty and family connections.both muslims dont have.18.5% muslims should hav atleast10%resevation what is wrong in it when resevation is given to every community in india.

    arab dont marry 12 yrs old girl.thisis lieand anti mulim propaganda.but her marriage giverespite to hungry family.india 75 yr old goes to brothel.

    i told india has biggest brothels of world.plight of women in india far more than
    than in saudi arabia.
    u are an idiot who dontunderstand the internal dynamics of indian society.saudi arabia is better managed country than india.has atleast 2 uviversities in first 200 of world..ia small country iran is far ahead of india in scientific research.

    india runs on boasting and muslim bashing.stupids like u start believing everything.

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    engrich Reply:

    jobs are given against hefty and family connections

    pls read,

    jobs are given against hefty bribe and family connections

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    Anonymous Reply:

    u r a gone case. The superhero of conspiracy theories.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Enriche

    Please go and settle in saudi arabia. or Iran. Please spreaad your conspiracy theories there. Tey your luck witrh 12 yr old girls and come back without hands.

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    engrich Reply:

    12 year old girl is another brhmncl lie.remaining is bullshit.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Civil society can flag, not flog an issue: Bhagwati

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/...

    Justice Bhagawati has no sense of shame or remorse.

    He is the same judge who upheld Indira Gandhi’s emergency regime’s repressive powers to suspend fundamental rights.

    Wah, Justice Bhagawati, now you are “advising Anna Hazare about flagging and flogging.Wah!!!

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    engrich Reply:

    justice bhagwati is right.anna should go to people.explain them ,his point of view.take mandate.do whatever he wants.but rss people were doing the same in case of ram mandir.why is he forcing himslf on parliament.4 judges means 4 brhmns.they will decide our destiny.this is an old conspiracy.

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  • Anonymous

    For the ignoramus person on this blog.

    Amazing that some of the other bloggers consider such an nescient person as their guru or boss. Speaks volumes.

    The truth – Prof. Jagdish Bhagwati happens to be the brother of the Justice P N Bhagwati, the former CJI

    Ignorance knows no depths or is it the same old RSS tactic of broadcasting lies, untruths, falsehoods and innuendos?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Furthermore, for a Judge to be declared; Mad, Corrupt, Biased, etc. all he has to do is to pass a judgement which is not approved by the Nagpur Wallahs.

    Should he start to wear Khaki Nikkar, White Shirt, and a Black topi for his morning walk, then all of a sudden he becomes an upright citizen and a patriot.

    There is a reason why one sees the fascists trying to corrupt the Judiciary with their hard line agenda.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    When a person is blinded by hatred and anger (now that Anna and his gang are getting it from all sides), how can that person distinguish between the two words ‘Jagdish’ and ‘Justice’. Some people here just cannot read.

    We have discussed many times before the twisted sense of RSS’ brand of uprightness, patriotism and nationalism.

    This instance is a classic case of person running around with glee after ’scoring’ a goal until told that it was a self goal.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Mishra

    I can only speak for myself. And frankly the individual in me is more important that the Muslim in me. Somewhere the entire world has started segregating Muslims believing them to have thoughts which would be different from that of rest of humanity. Very sadly this is because many intolerant fanatic Muslim voices have taken upon themselves to become spokesmen for Muslims, even when the person who is a Muslim may ascribe to a milder version of Islam or even if he would have moved away from Islam.

    Let me give you a few examples. Last year I was at a Sikh college friend’s house on Basakhi. Amidst all the hulla gulla, one or two friends did ask me whether as a Muslim I was allowed to dance on a Sikh / Hindu festival. Utter nonsense. I was enjoying the atmosphere. End of the matter.

    Tomorrow is Christmas. Three Goan friends in Delhi are having a party, where I intend to have a good time. My Mamujaan from Moradabad who is visiting me is horrified at the idea that I will bhe celeberating with Christians a Christian festival, when they have bombed “us’ in Afghanistan. Frankly I have asked my mamu to shut up. First of all the Goans who are holding the part6y are not the bombers. Secondly it was not “us” being bombed in Afghanistan but vile terrorists and Taliban who are enemies of humanity.

    In the end all I can say that most Indian political partiews dont want us to have individual voices of dissent but wnat us to be one flock of sheep or goat who will dance to their tunes.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez

    I believe your point about individual freedoms is a valid one.

    Every one must be allowed to follow their individual choices. I mean EVERYONE. The reason for my emphasis is because you seem to believe that MUSLIMS are the only community that is being shepherded.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Every major community, has within it people who believe they can dictate how other members of that community can or can not behave.

    The difference is SANCTIONS that each community imposes upon those who do not toe the official line and prefer to follow their own path. Some religions are more tollerant of dissent than others.

    We still have areas of the world where the word excommunication has a real meaning.

    For further examples just look at the Chinese society.

    BTW Baisakhi is not a SOLELY Sikh Festival, it is the start of a Month, called Biasakh. It just so happens that on that day Guru Gobind Singh established Khalsa. This has made the 1st day of Baisakh Extra Imortant for us Sikhs (I am expecting some reaction to this).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I dont know your age so I will call you Ravi.

    My father used to say that being a Muslim was not so difficult 20 years back. The fatwas and dictates were not sent so rapidly and strongly. However these days it is literally one fatwa per hour.

    You may think it is a joking matter. It is a joke for me staying in Delhi to laugh it away. It is not so for my sister staying in Moradabad or for my mother. They have to stay in society and would be ostrscised in case they just take one step not in line with what the mulla prescribes.

    Frankly all societes may be having bas_ _ _ _ _ds who try to snatch your rights. but Muslims seem to have at least 5 times more than Christians or Hindus.

    there is a fatwa on Veena Malik today. Well she posed nude. You may or may not agree. (Fankly I enjoyed her photos) . Maybe even prosecute her in case the law prescribes. But a fatwa?

    Muslims have put themselves in a prison by creating a scene that our persobnal laws written 1440 years back cannot be tampered with. This is the big reason why we remain at the bottom of the ladder in social indices in mixed societes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    If parvez is opening his heart due to accumulated frustrations, Let him.No point reminding him not to do so because others also have this problem. If some Hindu on this Blog opens his heart out on Caste system in Hinduism, no one will comfort him with reply that so do Muslims / Christians also have it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Aaloke

    Our problem is that we have to many of these brainwashed morons like this enriq who sees a conspiracy everywhere. These guys will scare our women and kids that the world is out to screw Muslims so please take panaah behind the maulvi.

    engrich Reply:

    tum bhi vijay ke bhai lagte ho.ya phir vijay naam bada l ke aa gaya hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So u smell another conspiracy theory here? Why dont you come to Delhi Univ hostel now. But wait…

    I think you must be a zionist hding under this identity.

    Bloody shaitan and haram, address the central problem rather than keep giving a stuck record…

    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    I was not contradicting Parvez, just simply saying that the conflict between Individual Rights and Institutionally Proscribed Collective behaviour is an age old conflict.

    People from Individualistic cultures tend to think of only themselves as individuals, conversely people from communities which are centrally controlled, an individual is seen as an element of a collective.

    Parvez is personifying this conflict.

    Protestants are more individualistic whilst Catholics are more centrally governed as a collective. Indian society as a whole is Individualist whilst China is collective. The change we are witnessing in Pakistan is to take a historically Individualistic population and bring it under Saudi style Collectivism.

    Aaloke, but it goes without saying it is entirely Parvez’s choice how he resolves that internal strife he is experiencing. He has my support (if that is ever needed).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank u Ravi for the support. I am headed back to class now.

    However, I think you are simplyfying by saying that societies are collective or individualistic. Frankly i am part of a larger society but it does not give anybody the right to control my thoughts.

    engrich Reply:

    Frankly all societes may be having bas_ _ _ _ _ds who try to snatch your rights. but Muslims seem to have at least 5 times more than Christians or Hindus

    can u elaborate this bit more.publishing fatwa in national press so frequently is part of anti-muslims hate compaign by brhmncl toilet paper media.why they dont go to hindu holy people and take advise on nakedness of vidya balan.awnser will be the same.but they will never go..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engric

    So you feel that all newspapers who publish news on these fatwas are part of a grand conspiracy to defame Islam, including the Hinduatan Times which has this news on the website?

    engrich Reply:

    yes otherwise they publish fatwas from other religious chiefs as well.we have veena one veena malik,they have thousands.

    everybody used to ask the dress code of sania
    mirza with moulvis.nobody ever asked about serena william with pope.on dress code we both are same.

    engrich Reply:

    This is the big reason why we remain at the bottom of the ladder in social indices in mixed societes.

    in america we are after jews.40%of the russian billionaires are muslims.there are muslims in arab world who can buy ambanis 4 times.most of billionaires in africa are muslims.
    in gulf area now muslims(indian) are richer than anyother race.

    up ka musalman nachta nahin hai nachata hai.tumhe nachne ka shauk hai nachoo.yahan gut gut kya karte ho.

    begining of 20th century jews were ghetto dwellers in new york.
    now they are strongest race with 33 senators.time will change for us as well.but we should not leave our identity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez

    Allow me.

    You father is absolutely right. Prior to1990 or thereabouts, it was indeed not difficult for anyone just on account of one’s religion. Whatever difficulties one faced in life were duue to other factors, which may afflict all of us.

    Then with the ‘advent’ of that infamous mechanised chariot, …………
    ————-

    I agree with your the rest of your observations.

    engrich Reply:

    or two friends did ask me whether as a Muslim I was allowed to dance on a Sikh / Hindu festival

    pakistani pujabis dance in baisahi more than hindu or sikh.it is not religion,dancing is not part of up mulims culture.u are immature.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So you feel Sharukh Khan dancing is not part of the Muslim culture and Farah Khan who is a dance choreographer should be issued a fatwa for getting so many people to dance in her item numbers?

    I think you should also dance, burn some fatwaas and stop the bakwas in your brain.

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    engrich Reply:

    i am talking about up culture.even hindus aoid dancing in public.

    engrich Reply:

    avoid not aoid

    Anonymous Reply:

    Farrah Khan is teaching dancing in public, which invites punishment of death by stoning. The first stone would be hit by Engrich the **** and the next would by the other jihadi, fake Ravi.

    The idea is to teach Muslim women a lesson.

    engrich Reply:

    is teaching dancing in public, which invites punishment of death by stoning

    if u take fatwa from hindu holy man awnser will be the same.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘dancing is not part of up Muslims culture’.

    Who says?

    Dancing, music and enjoying life is as old as the mankind and is as much as part of us as breathing and they never killed anybody.

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    engrich Reply:

    Expand ‘dancing is not part of up Muslims culture’

    here up stands for uttar pardesh.i am from there so i know.
    among punjabi muslims it is very common.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    A liitle while back, you were district secratary of CPM in kerala in the times of Namboodaripad. Now you are from UP. Not in distant past, you were from Punjab. This “Ummah” thing has very personal meaning for you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    that was the other jihadi ****, Tajender urf Mootandar.

    engrich Reply:

    here u will find nothing but truth.sometime sour but truth.

    engrich Reply:

    i never said that i am keralian..iwas cpm student wing secretary at aligarh.i am not keralian.i know a lot about cpm leaders of bengal and kerala.i never said i am punjabi.but i know punjbai muslim a lotmy brother is married to punjabi muslim girl.i found punjabis good people with great heart.
    i left politics but memories are not leaving me.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Your love for Islam, professed so openly, including its opressive part, (subjugation of women status quoism and selective anamosity to hindu religion), does not rhyme well with a CPM worker. However, your Aligarh connection appear genuine.

    engrich Reply:

    yes love for islam is there no doubt.but iam rational.i will defend islam or muslims if it is attacked unneccesarily.u high cast enjoy muslim bashing mainly on stupid grounds.u people are brainwashed by zoinists brhmnst propaganda,why is baed on hate.islam liberated the women it never subjugated anybody including women.islam is the only religion hich provides ,right to property ownership and divorce to women.this is bullshit zoinist/brhmnst propaganda.60%of neocorverts in europe are women.they find peace and security in in islamur religion.
    most o ur bloggers speak lie.gopi cannot speak lie since i am here.as i am fighting here for muslims,all my life i fought for suppressed hindus.ometime u surprise with my knowledge,

    ek umr guzri hai isi dasht kee sayahi mein.
    but u rss people are well brainwashed ,hate filled and myopic.u cannotproduce an honest person.

    THAT IS WHY INDIA HAS BECOME AN INTELLECTUAL
    DESERT.
    THANKS FOR READING AWNSERING.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    End of discussion. You have gone back to blabbering. did not answer me.

    engrich Reply:

    I THINK I AWNSERED ALL UR UERIES.I IF ANYTHING SPECIAL I AM READY.

  • Anonymous

    1) What is satyagraha for you, could be nuisance for others: Bombay HC on Anna fast

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/What-is-satyagraha-for-you-could-be-nuisance-for-others-Bombay-HC-on-Anna-fast/articleshow/11219426.cms

    Coming down heavily on Team Anna’s agitation, the Bombay high court on Friday said it can’t allow “parallel canvassing” when Parliament is seized with debate on Lokpal bill and questioned its decision to seek exemption from charges to use MMRDA grounds for Anna Hazare’s proposed fast.

    When the counsel for the petitioner informed the court that they have got permission for holding the fast in Delhi’s Ramlila Maidan, the court said,”If Ramlila Ground is available, why don’t you hold fast there.”
    ——————————

    The right word has been. Indeed Anna and his gang have indeed become a nuisance. What were they imagining when they approached the High court? Expecting the judges to be indulgent!

    2) HC rejects Team Anna plea over MMRDA ground

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Bombay-HC-rejects-Team-Anna-plea-over-MMRDA-ground/articleshow/11220066.cms

    The court said another ground for rejecting the plea was that the petitioner was not a registered social organisation, a mandatory requirement for seeking concession from MMRDA.

    There you are. ‘Self appointed guardians’ asking for relief from the establishment. Who they think they are?

    The best place for the nautanki fast and agitation would be his own village, which is as much part of India as the open spaces in Bombay and Delhi. The location should not matter.

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    “We can’t allow parallel canvassing when Parliament is seized with debate on the bill. You can propagate the bill sitting at home. Till now the bill has not been passed. No one knows what form and what features it will have. Is public debate permissible at this stage?,” the court asked.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,
    Many times it is not the” Most appropriate method ‘, but method with “Good intentions” which wins the day.Otherwise Parliament had 40 years to do something on corruption in “Most appropriate way”, but intentions were lacking.
    Anna and his team may have lot of flaws, but they seem to have good intentions.They have succeeded so far, let’s hope they are successful for balance job left also. We may not come out with best bill,there may be glitches in short term. however I feel ,in medium term and long term, it will work .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    No issue on the fact the ruling class, if they can be separated from the aam janta, did nothing to tackle the menace of corruption for 40 plus years, except talk. We have had such type of MPs, who did nothing about it, is also a reflection on our choices of people whom we have elected.

    The fact that Team Anna has put the issue on fast track is to be lauded. That’s about it.

    Rest has been show of threats, arrogance, and megalomania – we know best, our way and no other, everyone else is an idiot. These are not minor flaws, if you ask me. The supporters of the Team Anna do not realise what the draft of the Jan Lokpal Bill entailed. The devil is in the detail. They were shown a ‘dream’ of corruption-free India minus the cost.

    We should not forget the fact we are a democracy (an imperfect one if you like) and there is no place whatsoever for a handful of self appointed ‘Guardians and Gandhians’ attempting to set the agenda. No different from Ayotollahs or Thakres or Mullah Omars (for whom we do not waste time lambasting) challenging our pillars of democracy, except agitate.

    The way Team has conducted itself since, questions can be and are being raised as to the ‘real intent’ of this ‘hot-headed movement’ (not my words, but of the Indian Express).

    About the bill itself. I wonder if you have been reading what I have been saying for the past several months. This Lokpal is bad business and I would be glad it does not become a law, as its effectiveness is highly questionable. The solutions to tackle and reduce corruption lie elsewhere within the system.

    True, there probably will be glitches in the bill to begin with, but Kejriwal & the gang are not even ready to wait and see what the parliament (the only body authorized to do so) comes up with.

    I repeat what I told Pankaj yesterday. Team Anna has lost a golden opportunity to be a respected, forceful and effective pressure group, on account of their shenanigans since April. After this is over and if Team Anna (they should think twice) decides to take up some other cause for the betterment of the country, what do you think will be their fate? They will be simply be ignored or told – go take a walk.

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  • Anonymous

    A good article on how capitalist India is transforming “even” Dalits…Now Ravi will say it is only one, (and what about the 4999 being raped a day) Egrich will say Muslims are prohibited from growing…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/world/asia/indias-boom-creates-openings-for-untouchables.html

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    Let me not disappoint you.

    So what about the 4999 that are raped daily and no one even bothers to register their complaints.

    It is a joke to you, but for them it is a daily opression.

    The article is not exactly a testimonial Binoy, is it??

    Despite the success of men like Mr. Khade, a Dalit entrepreneur is still much more likely to be a poor woman who has no choice but to start a small, low-profit margin business because so few other options are open to her, said Annie Namala, a researcher and activist who has worked on Dalit issues. A survey completed this year of Dalit women entrepreneurs in Delhi and Hyderabad found that most made less than $100 a month from their businesses.

    “These are basically survival enterprises,” Ms. Namala said. “These women would prefer a steady job, but no jobs are available so they start a small business and work very hard with very little return.”

    Despite gains for some Dalits, a recent paper from the Harvard Business School that used government data from 2005 found that even after the economic liberalization, Dalits “were significantly underrepresented in the ownership of private enterprises, and the employment generated by private enterprises.”

    Even for those who have had wild success in business, social acceptance has proved harder to attain. While wealth insulates them to some degree from lingering caste prejudice, barriers remain even for rich Dalits.

    Names often reveal a person’s caste, so one Dalit businessman who installs solar water heaters changed his last name because he worried that upper-caste people would not want a Dalit installing an appliance associated with personal hygiene in their homes.

    Even Mr. Khade, with all his wealth and newfound status, does not want to offend potential upper-caste clients. His business card reads Ashok K, leaving off the last name that reveals what he is: a Dalit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ ravi
    .
    While you may live in a make believe world of fantasy where rapes are happening everywhere and somewhere giving you a hidden joy, let me tell you what a top line TV correspondent of a Channel had to say about UK at our lunch hour chat at the sanctuary.

    “It is a country in total decline. No jobs are available… the wages are low as compard to corresponding wages in India. ”

    “nobody manufacutres anythign… everyone wants to sell bonds and insurance… or go on dole…

    “The health facilities are lower than what a middle class Indian recieves in Delhi. ”

    She was pregnant and had been assigned a community hospital near canary wharf which had common toilets in dormitaries.

    Listen further, “The society is totally alienated with a dog eat dog attitude. No social support. One british collegue died in office because of a heart attack… nobody knew his father… his half brothers were least interested in recieving the body… his mother had shifted in with someone in Australia and was not in touch with the son for 20 years…”

    Aur suno bhai

    “The London riots I covered were a total eye opener. Everyone wanted to grab something. Delhi despite more poverty has a certain way of behaving. But the Londoners were just thieving then…”

    Want more?

    Listen to this then, ” I dont want my children to grow there. I have applied for relocation back to India….”

    So ravi bhai… yeh ek sachi atam Katha hai… ek ladki ki zubaani… who is a famous name in India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    And you think that I live in a fantasy world.

    Ho Ho Ho.

    Vijay Ji paesh-e-khidmat hai.

    मैं गरीबों का दिल, हूँ वतन की जुबान
    बेकसों के लिए, प्यार का आशियाँ
    मैं जो गाता चलूँ, साथ महफ़िल चले
    मैं जो बढ़ता चलूँ, साथ मंजिल चले
    मुझे राह दिखाती चलें बिजलियाँ

    हुस्न भी देख कर मुझको हैरान है
    इश्क को मुझसे मिलने का अरमान है
    अपनी दुनिया का हूँ मैं हसीं नौजवान

    कारवां जिंदगानी का रुकता नहीं
    बादशाहों के आगे ये झुकता नहीं
    चाँद तारों से आगे मेरा आशियाँ
    मैं गरीबों का दिल …

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    On the sacred day of Mohammed Rafi’s birthday, I would have thought you would choose a song like this one to extoll the greatness of our motherland.

    But, No. you mjust sing the “5000 dalit rapes everyday in India by caste Hindus” song once again!

    Still I commend to you to listen to this great song:

    जहाँ सत्य, अहिंसा और धर्म का
    पग-पग लगता डेरा
    वो भारत देश है मेरा

    ये धरती वो जहाँ ऋषि मुनि
    जपते प्रभु नाम की माला
    जहाँ हर बालक एक मोहन है
    और राधा हर एक बाला
    जहाँ सूरज सबसे पहले आ कर
    डाले अपना फेरा
    वो भारत देश है मेरा

    अलबेलों की इस धरती के
    त्योहार भी है अलबेले
    कहीं दीवाली की जगमग है
    कहीं हैं होली के मेले
    जहाँ राग रंग और हँसी खुशी का
    चारो और है घेरा

    वो भारत देश है मेरा

    जहाँ आसमान से बाते करते
    मंदिर और शिवाले
    जहाँ किसी नगर मे किसी द्वार पर
    कोई न ताला डाले
    प्रेम की बंसी जहाँ बजाता
    है ये शाम सवेरा
    वो भारत देश है मेरा …

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    I deal in the realities of India where for centuries the DALITS have been oppressed, raped and kept under-developed by Caste Hindus.

    Such fantasies as penned above, even if sung by Mohd Rafi, I leave to Snaghi’s like you.

    The article I quoted was submitted by Binoy. I merely extracted the concluding paragraphs.

    engrich Reply:

    not only muslims but many others as well.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare has said that it was wrong for his supporters to approach the High Court for grant of concessions in rent.

    If they had sought his opinion, he would not have allowed them to seek judicial intervention, he said.

    “Justices P B Majumdar and Mridula Bhatkar said the court could not direct the government to open the gates to the enclosed area in Azad Maidan…”

    The above “observation” of the court is correct, but what they said, in addition, was beyond propriety:

    The Court came down heavily on Team Anna’s agitation plans on Lokpal Bill, saying it can’t allow “parallel canvassing” when Parliament is debating the issue, observing that what may be a “satyagraha” for the group could be a “nuisance” for others.

    Because satyagraha has societal sanction, is legal and has been permitted by other local governments, with the approval of local courts.

    “We can’t allow parallel canvassing when Parliament is seized with debate on the bill.”

    Actually, nobody has asked the HC for “permission” to carry on the satyagraha. Clearly, the court took upon itself the sanctioning powers, which are vested with the MMRDA.

    “When Mahendra Ghelani, advocate for the petitioner, told the court that they would file another application to MMRDA through a registered organisation, the court (After all the ‘pontification) said they could do that and the state-run body shall consider it on merit and according to their discretion.

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    engrich Reply:

    Anna hazare wants to go onto a hunger strike for the second time. We can only laugh at these scoundrels . When several of dalit brethren and farmers cannot get to eat two square meals a day these theatrical acts are just a big drama staged by caste hindus. Both ramdev and anna are not against corporates looting the country. Ramdev has the nerve to talk againt black money when he himself has 1000 crore black money.

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  • Anonymous

    Hi Everyone

    I am on a break and staying at a widlliife sanctuary. Can only net once I come out of the sanctuary… which i do to check mail…

    @ Vindo Sharma

    Congrats for replacing Manish Tewari and Singhvi. Keep me as an assistant when u go to the TV channels. Maybe I will spike ur coffee with rum that you end up lauding the BJP for a change. :) Anyway felcitations for being on the hig swing to power :)

    @ Pervez

    Interesting exchange. nice to know u r getting the hang of things. Though I still fell u wont get anythin talkin to engrich :)

    If you do a reverse brain wash on him… Ill nominate you for the nobel prize in peace.

    @ Pankaj

    Welcome back to the blog. WE could not catch up when u were in Delhi… I’ll send u a long explanatory note…

    @ Binoy

    Welcome back after a long time !! hope u hang here….

    @ Shenoy

    nice poem last time. Still rinign in my head

    @ Ravi

    The battle started from Sialkot is not over yet. You have 3 full days to rule the blog… till I come out… fully

    @ Manohar

    Thx for giving all the reasons why we should not have a LokPal. But just try to think of all the good thigs which would happen in case we get one…

    @ Aaloke

    You still did not answer my question where you linked Consciousness with physics. Was it relgion u had in mind? Well… science is all about actuals and Labs,,, and equations…..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank u for including my name in the list of the diistinguished alumnii of the blog. I wish to learn from seniors. But bloggin seems to be fun and takes your mind away from the pile of books on my table which are bugging me as I prepare for a dissertion.
    .

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Thanks for mentioning me. Please do not give any explaination. I am equally guilty. Reaching Delhi, one finds pile of work to be done, meeting relations included. I could not take out time to see you or Vinodji. Saw him on NDTV, yes we have it here as well. He has put on some weight, winter and wine must be doing the trick, but he is much better than Vinod Dua, who has grown so much in the middle that I was surprised. I had his image of youth in my mind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Since you requested, the only good thing I can think of if there is a Lokpal is that it will provide secured livelihood to about 35000 Indians, unless you plan to send a spaceship to Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto (the moons of Jupiter) to bring Snow Whites to man this ‘august’ institution to ensure that there is no ‘hanky-panky’ and we have corruption free India.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Vijay,
    Religion is a very small and narrow affair.infact, in India ,the ideal was not religion but Dharam. Religion is not Dharam. Well,this itself is a long discussion which we might save for some other day.
    Coming back to my post which you are referring to,at a levels,all differentiations in knowledge start disappearing. Let us say, if I start my quest for knowledge from Biology, you start it with physics and someone else starts it with Philosophy, they will start converging once you start going deeper.Similarly Science,Dharam,Spritualism etc. Start converging.Science can be expressed in actuals and labs, but it can also be expressed in ideas for which Labs, actuals and Formulae have still not been derived.

    There is a story , Einstein’s wife was taken to a tour of one of the biggest observatory at that time.A very distinguished scientist was guiding her through the observatory and showing her Giant Telescopes and very complicated looking Research Equipments. When Einstein’s wife enquired what were they doing with all these grand equipments, she was told by the Scientist that they were trying to find nature of Universe. Einstein’s wife replied “But my husband does it scribbling at backside of his cigarette Box”.

    Einstein first worked out the theory of Conservation of Mass and Energy,Formula came later.It was only around 1925 onwards that Lab work started.Actuals came after another 10 years. However in this case , progress from Theory to actual was very very fast.
    My concept of consciousness is similar to Brahman (not Brahmin of Engrich) of Sankhya Philosphy .It can be called God by someone.One of those days when you get into deeper meditative contemplation, suddenly certain things start looking clearer.

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    engrich Reply:

    einstein was the brhmn of engrich he made nuclear and wmd after inspirng from geeta.where kauravs were mascared without y good reason.

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    engrich Reply:

    in blog of zia u have written in arab world there is no christian,

    correct urslf.there are 1.4 rores coptic christians in arab world.ignorance is bliss.
    places of worship of budhhdists and jainese were demolished by brhmns like babri masjid.paryag kashi mathura and ayodhya were budhhdist and jainese cities forcibly occupied by brhmns when they lost battle.

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    engrich Reply:

    .there are 1.4 crores coptic christians

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Aaloke , Not much aaloke(light) in what you write. Indians have a fascination with things FUZZY. a kind of maya.And this is what kept HINDUS enslaved for 1000yrs. rather than see things for what they are worth HINDUS HAVE AN INCREDIBLE CAPACITY OF TWISTED THINKING.
    This is the SCHISM with western approach, they see things for what they are worth , THERE IS NO MAYA MALAKI for them.
    THE RESULT IS ALL THERE TOO SEE.
    The whole business of BRAMHAN is HOCUS POCUS, there is NO SUCH THING.
    As for consciousness , WE KNOW VERY VERY VERY LITTLE.
    I suggest you do some reading , unlike VIJAY KHAPODIA , a cow belt product.
    Here is a suggestion , the name of the book is A WORLD OF CONSCIOUSNESS by Gerald Edelman , A NOBEL LAUREATTE IN MEDICINE 1972

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shan,
    My purpose of coming to this blog is to discuss and not to argue. In an argument,there are no gainers or winners.Everyone sticks to his stand as it becomes an ego issue. Closure to arguments have been done with violence provided one of the party is that strong .However, in a discussion everyone is a gainer.If I find better view than mine, I modify my view and I am also a gainer as I have got a better view.Person who has propounded so called better view is also a gainer as his view has been tested one more time.So expect my responses only with this philosophy.
    First, if India was enslaved for 1000 years due to fuzzy thinking, what happened to great Persian ,Egyptian,Mesopotamian and so many other great Empires of past. They did not have many of these so called fuzzy thinking.We still have been able to retain many of our past things,others have simply been annihilated. India has been one of few areas in world which bore full force of Islamic invaders,but could never be completely subjugated. not only that , after 500.600 years of onslaught, it was local people like Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs and many other locals who had regained India.It has not happened anywhere except in Spain, but in Spain it was not locals who won back, but outsiders of Spain.

    If we know very little of something ,does it mean it has to be disregarded.Now let us talk about concept of Molecules and Atoms. Time when people were theorizing on it,they were only concepts. There was no way to see them,no way to analyze them , and the current society at that time had no need for them. So should that have been discarded at that time because there was very little known about them.

    There is a big confusion on Concept of Maya.In westerners and Indians also.

    I will try to complete my part of discussion in next post.

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    engrich Reply:

    First, if India was enslaved for 1000 years

    before that aryan invaders enslaved india.did nothing for india except continous wars.muslim rulerd indianized rhemselves and gave india a lot.

  • Anonymous

    the “Quota within Quota” will put Muslims ffurther bbehind…will also cause violence —- Another election ploy from congress –

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Mirza

    Without any hesitation, reservation or any sense of compunction.

    I totally dis-agree with you.

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    engrich Reply:

    jahan bribe se job milta ho.aur bhai bhateejawad social duty ho wahan resevation is must especially for haves not.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I disagree. As long as there are quotas based on labels, no problem with reservations for the downtrodden from any section of the society.

    I wish they were reservations solely on the basis of economic condition of the beneficiaries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr.Mirza,

    Look who have jumped to refute your statement! The usual suspects. Congressie trolls and jihadis who also claim to be well wishers of Muslims.

    Your fear of Muslims being left behind is real and immediate. Further ghettoisation is on the cards, making the community try to grasp at straws of reservation. Even a 4% or 3% will look like manna from heaven.

    The carving out of this quota within the overall OBC quota will antagonise the OBCs further and accentuate social tensions which, unfortunately are already are at breaking point.

    But, I am sure, the congress party will feel happy that it has thrown some dried crumbs to their vote bank.

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  • engrich

    High Court slams Anna, says fast can be nuisance for some

    he is pain for indians like zardari is pain for pakistanis.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Parvez and MORADABAD”””””””””””
    Bhai mere, tun to apne aangan key ho. As you drive into Moradabad from Delhi, there is a ‘chauraha’ called Kapoor company ka chowk. There on the junction of Hallet road and Station Road, barely 8 km from the rly stn is a complex of 8 houses- they belonged to the extended Mishra family.

    Now they have been grabbed by the tenants and the Waqf board- that’s life. All the Mishras have moved to much better lives elsewhere, although one or two have gone into brass exports and live in plush Harpal Nagar ( a cousin actually supplies the designer Terence Conran stores here in UK).

    So there you have it Parvez, a small world. My roots are in fact in Afzalgarh where great grandad was a rich landlord in 1800s- died bankrupt however. I am abs thrilled that someone from Moradabad, esp a muslim, is doing as well as you. My memories of my 2-03 visits to Mbd in the sixtees was that the muslims were amongst the poorest and least educated I had seen anywhere in India.

    Greetings from Sharm el Sheikh, Parvez, I am diving here. will write tomorrow.

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    engrich Reply:

    dr saheb,add to ur knoledge that moradabad has become a virant city because of murad,son of aurangzeb.who forced his son to stay there ,till this trade become best in the world.millions and millions of people benefitted from vision of this great ruler for centuries.who is cursed in modern history ,written by britishers and not corrected indians.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    engrich, history is full of rulers like Alexander who slughtered in their testosterone driven youth. Very few were as brutal as Aurangzeb who made a continuous war in the south in THE LAST 26 YEARS OF HIS LIFE, right into his eightees.
    The monster resulted in 1 lack deaths every year, 1 million wounded annually and the cost was that it ripped the heart out of India. By today’s population numbers, it equates to 1 million Indians dying annually in a war!!!
    Stop this pointless muslim tyrant worship, be big enough to realise that Ghaznis and Aurangzebs were brutal savages. There are great muslim figures from Rahim to Abdul Kalam

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    engrich Reply:

    brutal as Aurangzeb
    dr saheb thks for awnsering can u give some example.being ruler it was his duty to maintain dicipline.rajputs and brhmns were his main ally.he had 36% high caste minister in his ministry.raja jai singh was his cnc and chandu khatri of lahore was his pm so it is wrong that he killed anybody.what u are is not per history.it is part of rss hate propaganda base on absolute lies.

    check with some historian or give me link (not rss liars)from where u got these figures.totally bullshit and lie.

    even then u or any rss liar cannot deny that moradabad trade was developed by him which provided wmployment to millions.

    Very few were as brutal as Aurangzeb

    pls tell me battle grounds where he killed so many.in south he destroyed muslim empire bijapur and golcunda. or take back lie which was fabricated by britishers.

    THE LAST 26 YEARS OF HIS LIFE, right into his eightees

    he was fighting for unity and integrity of india.after his death his personal wealth which he earned through stiching caps was given to hindus.money which he got by writing holy quran was distributed among muslims.his dargah is still managed by hindus.ONLY IN HIS TIME INDIAS GDP WAS MORE THAN GDP OF CHINA.

    history written by rss is full of lies with sole aim of spreading hate against muslims.

    son of shivajee was killed by brhmns for siding with anti-moghul army.

    BUT NOW U ARE BRAINWASHED BY HINDU ZOINIST.IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO BE NORMAL.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Engrich;
    did not read full mail. But if you say that Aurangzeb was your idol? No further correspondence needed.

    engrich Reply:

    i dont say he was idol.if south want to become independent and u are ruler of india.what u will do.it is responsibility to fight for unity and integrity of india.regarding casaualities ,british or jews increase this 10-15 times for somebody to whom they want to demonize ..
    he demolished more muslim empire so he was not communal .maximum he was brutal ruler.

    emperor could live in the luxury of palace but he spent most of time in battlefield to save india.how u can say he was bad.when.

    he developed moradabad trade which provided employment and bussines oppotunity to millions.so he did a great job.

    engrich Reply:

    dr saheb pls read make debate.we can exchange ideas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji, Dr.Mishra,

    Auranzeb is the hero to millions like engrich, Tajender, fake Ravi etc. In Pakistan, he is a venerated figure and millions bear his name, while in India, no Muslim keeps his name for his child.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic as usual

    Anonymous Reply:

    For your pitifully small, woefully inadequate intellect, everything non-jihadi looks ‘pathetic’.

    Ravi Reply:

    Not everything, but almost evrything coming from a Saffron Terrorist like you does.

    engrich Reply:

    ghaznis

    ghazni was invited by competetive brhmns.like now we are inviting corporates.they knew where is money..but the money which he collected provided job to thousands of indians,when he built city of ghazni.which stood best of the world at that time.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    Aap to hamare Aadmi ho. Rest after holidays.

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    engrich Reply:

    u mean to say he is ur husband. joke pankaj jee.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    engrich;
    Though I feel you can not improve, but I will still give you chance. First look at Lok and then Parlok, title of this blog. Pyare, tum mogul history se bahar kyon nahin Aaskate? Consider your self as a human being with a head, two eyes, nose, limbs and most important a brain. I feel, still you can make your Lok and parlok, if you leave your madarsa and AMU training behind you. If you do not resort to abuse, I may interact with you, much against advise of my friends on this blog.

    engrich Reply:

    muslims were amongst the poorest and least

    unka paisa dallal khatein hain.jab kutch mangte hain to danga kara diya jata hai.
    that is why now korea has taken over most of the international market.

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  • Anonymous

    National Interest: The caste of corruption by Shekhar Gupta

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-the-caste-of-corruption/891508/0

    Incisive and hard-hitting as always

    Excerpts

    Why is there a preponderance of this underclass among those charged with corruption, or even targeted in media sting operations? Here is a roll call: A. Raja and Mayawati (Dalit), Madhu Koda and Shibu Soren (tribal), Lalu Prasad and Mulayam Singh Yadav (OBC), are all caught in corruption or disproportionate assets cases. Faggan Singh Kulaste, Ashok Argal and Mahavir Singh Bhagora, caught in the cash-for-votes sting, are all SC/ST; among the BSP MPs in the cash-for-queries sting, Narendra Kushwaha and Raja Ram Pal (who is now in the Congress) are OBC, and Lalchandra Kol a Dalit. Of course, there are also some illustrious upper-caste representatives in the net: Sukh Ram, Jayalalithaa, Suresh Kalmadi. But there are far fewer of them. Could it be that the upper crust tends to be “cleaner” as a rule, or could it be that the system is loaded against those in the lower half of the social pyramid? The Sachar Committee report on the condition of Muslims also tells us that the only place where our Muslims have numbers disproportionately high in comparison to their population is jails. So, face the question once again: do Muslims tend to be more criminal than Hindus, or is the system loaded against them?

    For another example, look at the BJP. Two of its senior leaders were caught on camera accepting cash. One, Dilip Singh Judeo, caught taking Rs 9 lakh, was a mere MP, but of a high caste, and was happily rehabilitated in the party, fielded in the election, and is now back in Parliament. The other, Bangaru Laxman, caught taking just Rs 1 lakh, was ranked much higher in the party; he was, in fact, the president, but much lower on the caste pyramid, a Dalit. He has been banished and isolated and is fighting the charges in that Tehelka sting case by himself. I am sorry to use this expression, but the party treated him as an utter outcast even as it continued to defend Judeo. What is the difference between the two except caste? You want to take this argument to the judiciary? It has been loosely insinuated by many prominent people, including by some notable members of Team Anna, that a large number of our former chief justices have been corrupt. But who is the only one targeted by name (however unsubstantiated the charges)? It is Justice K.G. Balakrishnan, currently chairman of the National Human Rights Commission and, more importantly, India’s first Dalit chief justice.

    ———–

    Representative inclusiveness, they probably believed, was part of our cynical electoral politics though that did not stop them from having a Dalit and a Muslim girl help Anna break his fast, making it the first time that a child was described as “Dalit” on a public stage in a mass rally.

    Leaders of Team Anna now rightly say that theirs indeed is a political movement. But even if they assert that it is above electoral politics, they have erred gravely in not learning from the political class and building a representative leadership. It could have come from both their abhorrence and ignorance of politics, from a lack of respect for the political class, and an inability to appreciate that you need politics to create a sense of fairness, balance and empowerment in such a diverse society. That is the difference between Anna on the one hand, and Gandhi and JP on the other. Both of the latter made inclusive politics the vehicle of their revolutions. Team Anna, instead, tried to circumvent politics, and now finds itself right in the thick of it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Paying the Bill

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/paying-the-bill/891513/0

    The Lokpal bill now in Parliament is an unloved orphan — introduced under duress by the UPA, nearly every political party objects to one or the other idea in it. Much of the needless furore is now over the question of reservation for minorities in the Lokpal, while the 70-page, confused bill is riddled with glaring contradictions.

    ———————

    Its (Lokpal) members, if not judicial members, shall be of “impeccable integrity and outstanding ability having special knowledge and expertise of not less than twenty-five years in the matters relating to anti-corruption policy, public administration, vigilance, finance including insurance and banking, law and management.” The Lokpal chairperson can be removed only by the president — based on a petition by at least 100 MPs, or by any one citizen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    So called backwards coming to fore front are yet to develop methods where they can avoid getting caught. At the moment they indulge in corruption in a very brazen way and are more likely to get caught. That could be the only reason. Their getting caught because there is some conspiracy against backwards definitely is not the reason.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke, Shoib,

    here is my reply to Shekhar Gupta, which I have posted on his paper:

    “Dear Shri Shekhar Gupta,

    Your article, for once is rambling and weak on arguments.

    The EC too is all powerful; the system did indeed unseat a serving PM. But has anybody tried to convince “this vast majority of Indians below the very top of the social pyramid” that it also serves them as it serves the upper crust? And what about the CVC?

    Gandhiji too drank orange juice from the hands of Harijan girls while breaking his numerous fasts. Was it not symbolic? He always walked to his meetings with harijan girls on either side of his. Was that anything but symbolic? Why then deride Anna for drinking orange juice from the hands of a dalit and a Muslim girl?

    Or is it your case that what Anna did is infringement of Gandhiji’s trade mark?

    Gandhiji won freedom for India with his entire team consisting of upper caste Hindus and a handful of Muslims. It was OK then, but not OK if Anna does it now?

    I do not find any reason for Anna to have an “ideology” to be able to defeat corruption. I am sure he will win any way.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Aaloke

    The leaders from the disadvantageous sections that came up as their messiahs have let these sections down very badly (never mind if it is politically incorrect to say so). In fact, this was discussed between Pankaj and me earlier. I am posting it again.

    —————————–

    My reponse

    One of the causes of such sorry state of affairs is that many of the leaders who came up ‘fighting’ for the rights and dignity of their fellow dalits and other disadvantaged sections simply abandoned the cause once they established themselves and their cronies, as they got “busy” enriching themselves. Examples galore – Mayawati, Mulayam, Lalu, Paswan just to name a few. Perhaps, keeping their flock (as a vote bank) as it is, is a sure fire way of ruling the roost and keep “fighting” (actually only make noises on their behalf) for them.

    Nitish Kumar is an exception. Can you think of other leaders like Nitish Kumar?

    Pankaj’s response

    Kamraj Nadar comes to mind immediately. I believe he did not enrich himself despite of wielding considerable power.

    My reply

    Pankaj

    Leaders of that generation were a class by themselves.

    In fact, there are many instances of people from the advantageous sections genuinely taking up cudgels on the behalf of the poor and downtrodden and not making merry themselves.

    Two recent examples, Medha Patkar (one may or may not agree with her discourse) and Sharad Joshi ( http://agricoop.nic.in/sharad…. ) – former Indian Postal Service Officer.

    In the last general elections, Lalu and Paswan were shown their places. This time may be it is the turn of Mayawati and Mulayam – we have to wait and watch.

    ————–

    The question is whether their endeavour to enrich themselves (by foul means mostly) was an attempt to remove the ‘caste’ label and be counted among the more privileged sections? The response from the latter – how dare you?

    There may be truth in that there is a conspiracy against them, given empirical data and how things have panned out. Every now and then we get reports from across the country that the teachers and children (on instructions from their parents of course, from the upper castes refuse to eat food cooked by the dalits under the mid-day meal scheme. There is a definite bias in many parts of the country and it manifests itself every now and then.

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  • Anonymous

    Today is Mohammed Rafi’s birthday.

    It feels great to specially remember him for the thousands of songs in which he has left his voice for crores of Indians to entertain themselves.

    Here is a song of perennial beauty:

    phir tumhaari yaad aai ai sanam, ai sanam
    ham na bhulenge tumhen, allaah qasam
    allaah qasam, allaah qasam, allaah qasam.

    Another of my favourites among his forgotten gems is:

    phir teri yaad naye geet sunane aayi
    dil ki duniya mein naye deep jalane aayi…..(film Bekhabar)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBkezoxVJOE

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Immortal voice indeed.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar-

    This simply is pathetic! I cannot believe you will tout this!
    BTW, I wonder why he left out Karunanidhi, Kanimozhi etc of the Tamil Nadu gang.They are also “backward’ or scheduled caste..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    there is nothing surprising in the congressie troll peddling anti-Anna kitsch, because it has come from Shekhar Gupta, who, like our own Vinod Sharma, is aiming for a Rajyasabha seat. Any damn thing as long as it xontains something running doen Anna and his anti-graft crusade.

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    Ravi Reply:

    And how surprising is it that SANGHI’s post pro Anna purile rubbish

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    The truth no 1 – India’s “most biased” journalists – Shekhar Gupta, Vinod Sharma, Vir Sanghvi, Barkha Dutt, Pronnoy Roy, Rajdeep Sardesai, Sagarika Ghosh, etc., etc. (the list too long) are not Rajya Sabha members – either no offers have been made to them or they may have turned them down.

    The truth no 2 – India’s “most unbiased” journalists – Chandan Mitra (now in his second term) and Tarun Vijay are Rajya Sabha members.

    Lessons to be learnt

    1) It does not pay to be a ‘biased’ journalist. “Serves them right”.

    2) Truth becomes the first casualty and lies, falsehoods, untruths and innuendos rule the roost, when unlettered …….

    Ravi Reply:

    It surprises me that a former RSS Pamphleteer is a Rajya Sabha member.

    He is as bent as a 9 bob note.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You forgot to mention that the lighting-candles-on-Wagah-border wala was a Rajyasabha member for two terms as well as the ru-ba-ru small time journo, who is now a minister too!

    Anonymous Reply:

    You forgot, too, the owner of HT!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    You should not be surprised at all. This is par for the course.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Surprise,, surprise. Providing a link is touting?

    I have no problem if you and anybody else finds it pathetic. You are entitled to your view.

    I know truth hurts and I can guess which one, but I will keep my counsel.

    Why he left out Karunanidhi’s family is for him to answer. My guess is that he could not have possibly listed all the cases. The one’s he listed were to illustrate the state of affairs and in support of the point he was making. There must be hundreds of cases down the years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I agree with Shoeb. Yes, there are problems in India where Dalits are
    concerned, which everyone knows and admits. However, things have
    changed a lot and are changing more in favour of dalits, that is also
    a fact. India is not what Ravi and Engrich try to portray. You have
    provided the link of an article which presumably you believe in, — otherwise you would not have given the link to this article — thats
    why such comments from Shoeb. You know very well that there
    are many dalits in India who have done extremely well in their life.
    There are many such examples in politics also.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Please read my response to Aaloke.

    Things have indeed become better for the Dalits, but we have miles to go before we have a just society.

    What made you reach a conclusion that I approve or believe in the contents of the links i Post?

    I have my reasons to believe, as to why Shoeb has taken exception to my posting this link, but as I said I will keep my counsel.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I am happy to admit that India is not as bad as my posts may suggest.

    But they certainly are not as rosy as Shenoy, Vijay and you paint it.

    The article I quoted was as recent as 2 days ago from NYT and even that was from a link that arch optimist Binoy had posted.

  • Anonymous

    I had posted a detailed reply to Shan. Somehow it has disappeared.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Two things.

    1. The reply is there.

    2. I read it

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The reply was in two parts.The second part was posted after 2hrs. of first post. 1 post was always there, it is the second one which is not there.

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  • Ravi

    Mr Shenoy

    This is how I wish to remember Mohd Rafi

    बस्ती-बस्ती परबत-परबत गाता जाए बंजारा
    ले कर दिल का इकतारा

    पल दो पल का साथ हमारा, पल दो पल की यारी
    आज नहीं तो कल करनी है चलने की तैयारी

    क़दम-क़दम पर होनी बैठी, अपना जाल बिछाए
    इस जीवन की राह में जाने कौन कहाँ रह जाए

    धन-दौलत के पीछे क्यों है ये दुनिया दीवानी
    यहाँ की दौलत, यहाँ रहेगी साथ नहीं ये जानी

    सोने-चांदी में तुलता हो जहां दिलों का प्यार
    आंसू भी बेकार वहां पर, आहें भी बेकार

    बस्ती-बस्ती परबत-परबत गाता जाए बंजारा
    ले कर दिल का इकतारा

    दुनिया के बाज़ार में आखिर चाहत भी व्यापार बनी
    तेरे दिल से उन के दिल तक चांदी की दीवार बनी

    हम जैसों के भाग में लिखा चाहत का वरदान नहीं
    जिसने हम को जनम दिया वो पत्थर है भगवान नहीं

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Interestingly, the ‘B’ in my name stands for Basti (Venkatraman Shenoy).

    A college friend always calls me “basti, basti, parbat parbat”.

    My favourite too for the last 50years!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Mohd. Rafi will live in our hearts for ever. He sang for for all the actors
    of that era.Whether non-actors like Bharat Bhushan, Pradeep Kumar,
    Vishwajeet, Joy Mukherjee or great actors like Devanand,
    Dilip Kumar, Dharmender, and Shammi Kapoor, he immortalised all the
    songs he sang. Whether it was – aasman se aaya farishta – , or
    din dhal jaaye or that great song from Baiju bawra – o duniya ke rakhwale – . A great versatile singer.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    Not sure how much of the lyrics you understand.

    I know that you spent a large portion of your life in Delhi and therefore you should experience no difficulty in understanding all of it.

    You do indulge in poetry, which is even a stronger indicator that you would have understood the finer aspects of Sahir’s poetry. His first book of songs was titled “Gata Jaye Banjara”, on days when I need solace, I pick it up and read it.

    Considering that Sahir, Rafi as well as Madan Mohan are all dead, I hope you will savour the left-wing pro poor sentiments of the song, and set aside parochial difference we have.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even before I went to Delhi, I was quite literate in Hindi, having passed Dakshin Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha’s Rashtrabhasha exam. My father’s younger brother was a Hindi-Sanskrit scholar and our School’s Hindi teacher.

    I have loved the lyrics of Sahir as much as I have loved Shakeel’s poetry. I am of the opinion that both were gems of rare brilliance in the Hindi film world. My respect for S.D.Burman has grown several fold after I realised that he created masterpieces with Sahir Ludhianvi’s poetry, as in Pyaasa.

    But, don’t you see that supporting jihad, the state of Pakistan that promotes terror and your entertaining anti-Hindu hatred DO NOT GO AND CANNOT GO HAND IN HAND WITH BEING IN TUNE WITH THE BEAUTY OF SAHIR’S POETRY OR MADAN MOHAN’S MUSIC?

    As for me, I respect, with all my heart, people who have pro-poor sentiments and philosophy, which they express in words and deeds.

    But I equally hate people who rob and kill in the name of the poor and also attack the rich.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    The first half of this post, I agree with.

    The middle bit is more in your imagination than it is in reality. However, If that is what you feel, then that is what you feel.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But your ‘iktaara’ sings only” 5000 dalit rapes …..”!

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    Ravi Reply:

    You win

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  • Anonymous

    For the two Pakistan lovers on this site:
    Musharaff’s (and thru Ijaz Shah to kayani’s too) duplicity is revealed by the ex- general Ziauddin Butt – that Osama Laden was put in the safehouse and protecxted with the full knowledge and approval of Mushraff — while all the time he was saying that OSama must have died of kidney disease in the hinterlands of Afghanistan..

    Aapparently CIA/navy seals who did the raid on the monster (the protector of Islam) seems to have the same knowledge – Chuck Pfarrer, a navy seal of the raid team, has published a book on the raid – “Seal Targets Geronimo” – he also refers to the same based on the confidential info .

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    Ravi Reply:

    Only congenital moron and simplistic idiots like you, did not know about the duplicity of the Pakistan regime and its military.

    So much money wasted on educating you and you still remain a duffer, a sycophant.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    hahaha– waiting for the other to document about the brahmin-zionist brainwashing of Mushraff so Mushraff will allow this…
    get a life man

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    Ravi Reply:

    I have a life, what about you.

    Do moron’s have a life or are just arse lickers like you are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ya, u can blame it on dalit rapes,

    Anonymous Reply:

    btw where is your sidekick –

    Ravi Reply:

    He is shagging your master

    Anonymous Reply:

    you mean ‘his master’?

    Ravi Reply:

    4999 rapes can’t be all ignored

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what do u agree with — the first para or the 2d

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why can’t it be both?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Mirza,

    actually there are three Pakistan-lovers on this site, two of them being crypto-jihadis and the third their avid supporter clapping from the side lines.

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    Ravi Reply:

    And not to ignore the half a dozen or so SAFFRON TERRORISTS who present themselves as super patriots but are only interested in regime change.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I often used to wonder, but no more.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Aaloke

    A quick one. As I said I am in a wildlife sanctuarry and only come out for emailing…

    Well what do you do for a living? Student or working … in science.

    If you are in physics let me advise you a bit. Keep your emotions aside and keep hard facts in front of you. einstein too believed that this mess called the universe… could it really be possible without a hidden hand.

    And if you are in physics… well read all the religion you want to, but keep it aside when you probe fact.

    So in case you were to visuallise the world… and intrepret it as always in a state of matter ( instead of consciousnes) which has not been quantifed and measured yet, well you will be able to get the message across.

    All religious books from teh Gita to the Koran to the Bible cannot ever be the final word. In case someone goes onto that track what engrich has become. :)

    But seriously speaking your idea was engrossing. It is always engrossing to probe into theoritical physics even when you are not a scientist.

    So getting dharma would definately answer the question for yourself..

    But in case you need to convince the world…. maybe you would need hard facts…

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  • Anonymous

    Friends

    As we celebrate “Unni Yesu’s” (Unni is baby in Malayalam) birthday, peace for all..
    loka samastha sukhino bhava n dhu
    ohm shanti shanti shanti

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Merry Christmas to you and all the fellow bloggers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I too wish all the bloggers a merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    On this auspicious day please pray for the success of Anna and his
    team.

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  • Anonymous

    We should stop discussing Lokpal on this blog. Bombay high court has said that
    it cannot allow parallel canvasing when parliament is debating the issue.
    Whole country should stop talking about this issue till our great honorable
    members of supreme parliament are working extremely hard to bring in a strong Lokpal which will completely eradicate the corruption from our country.
    We should be very grateful to these great honorable members of supreme parliament
    who have extended the period of parliament, thus reducing their vacation period — I sympathise with these great honorable members of supreme parliament — to help common people like us.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Sorry to ignore your suggestion.

    Hegde asks Team Anna to concede on some points

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Bangalore/Hegde-asks-Team-Anna-to-concede-on-some-points/Article1-786717.aspx

    I did not know that the fate of the bill and its provisions were in the hands of Team Anna alone – what they can concede or not concede to the Government of India and the Parliament.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Pankaj ji, Gopi,

    the Bombay High court went out of its way to be critical of Anna’s fasting programme. It had no business to pass sarcastic remarks. The Honourable judges said “we cannot permit this”, while the petitioners had not come to the court for any kind of ‘permission’.

    As we have seen in this blog itself and in the media, the congress and its allies have gone all out to finish Anna Hazare, because, if he succeeds with the proposed anashan and the country gets a strong lokpal bill on the lines suggested by the civil society, then that would be the beginning of the licence-control-permit raj, practised by them for the last sixty give years.

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  • Dr Mishra

    RAVI’s attacks on muslims on this blog”””””’

    First of all, Mr L Mirza, thank you for posting that nugget about a senior Army ex-general saying Musharraf and Kayani KNEW of Osama in A’bad. Pak will be hammered even more by US.

    Then BIZARRELY, I see Ravi ripping into him. Why is Ravi so uncomfortable with any attack on radical Islam and / or Pak ? Last blog, he attacked Parvez who responded brilliantly and simply tore him personally, and engrich’s ideas generally, to shreds.

    I remember Ravi clashing viciously with Rizwan, that bright young Delhi university grad from an industrialist family, forcing him off the blog. Is there anyone here who disagrees that Ravi’s attack on L Mirza was uncivilised?

    I am genuinely perplexed- who is Ravi? Is he India hating Pakistani , a hindu hating militant dalit, a ….? Why cant he let muslims report on negative aspects of jehad?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    That is my concern as well.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra – The resident Pulpit Pitbull barks a lot

    Dr Mishra as expected you do bark a lot and more often than not up the frooking wrong tree.

    If you had read – that is asking too much from you as history here is evidence that you do not read – he Mirza starts his post by an abuse, to two Pakistan Lovers.

    Then he goes on to report on the duplicity of Pakistan Army, as if that is a revelation. It has been discussed in the US Senate, it has been reported by analysts for the past decade or so. He was just trying to abuse and I gave him back what he was asking for.

    So hold your frooking nose, dive and don’t come back up.

    I know who he meant, and therefore responded to him in kind.

    Parvez, shred me to bits, says who. You. The bent referee. He himself didn’t think so

    The problem is that you have in your mind that every Muslim is a jihadi, when you get one here who is not you start drooling over him like a pitbull terrier. I don’t care whether Mirza is a Muslim or a Hindu, I will retaliate if he attacks me.

    Just in case your LUNGOAT is too tight and is giving you the jip, there are TWO people who have been furnished with PHYSICAL evidence of who I am.

    What I am not, read it again NOT, did you get that, NOT, drum beating Jingo Jingo twerp like you are.

    BTW I have never attacked Dr Shah Allam or Usman Chodhury

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mirza, Shoeb, Pervez,

    Dr. Mishra’s loud thinking above is thought provoking.

    Actually, when Pervez came to this blog first, he was viciously attacked for his liberal views. The congressie troll here “guessed” that Pervez must be a fake (as he knows Tajender and Ravi are fakes). Most laughable reaction came from the two fakes themselves, agreeing with the troll that Pervez must be a fake, he must be an RSS, faking it as a Muslim!

    Their thinking, quite in tune with the party they support, is How can a Muslim, even if he is educated, display independent thinking processes? Why is he not showing any sign of the herd mentality (which they saw and loved in Dr. Shah ALam)?

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    Ravi Reply:

    We have heard from the advocate, now lets hear from the victims.

    Me thinks the advocate has a bigger axe to grind then the victims do.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Mishra
    You are right. Ravi did push that Rizwan boy out. Hope Pervez gives to Ravi; Shoeb has come with foumdational arguments; however, he seems to be busy to participate.

    Ravi does not like an Indian Muslim saying good things about India; especially when a Muslim says BJP can potentially be a good alternative to the misgovernment of Congress

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    You are fundamentally wrong.

    I will oppose – anyone who supports BJP, because BJP is a Hindu Fundamentalist organisation, irrespective whether they are Muslim or Hindu.

    I will attack anyone who attacks me.

    You do NOT attack me and I have never attacked you. Ashish, Aaloke, Mohan, are among people who I have dis-agreed with but not attacked because they do not call me Fake, Jihadi, etc.

    L Mirza and Shoeb did so they get mouth-full back.

    I do notice that you never ever, ever, ever, ever, point out when people attack me, but are very forward in agreeing with others when I attack them.

    There have been TWO notable occasions when I have asked you to balance your finger pointing towards me with similar exercise with Shenoy. Guess what on both those occasions who did not respond??

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Fails to respond for the THIRD time.

    engrich Reply:

    BJP can potentially be a good alternative to the misgovernment of Congress

    even i believed so.but they are proving themselves far bigger thieves than congress.
    everybody has right to his own opinion.we praise indian achievements but avoid lies.

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    engrich Reply:

    Then BIZARRELY, I see Ravi ripping into him. Why is Ravi so uncomfortable with any attack on radical Islam

    because usually it is coming from narrow minded communal voilent hindu fascist.and mostly based on lies and assumptions.

    dr death figure for aurangzeb was witten by brit whose aim was to demonize best reulers of india.where are grave of those killed.u know history was written and u brhmnst are amplifying british hate compaign.just to malign muslims.

    in first 50 years of british rule ,they starved to death half the population of bengal bihar and orrisa.help to imperialists are coming from brhmns.u have no hart and respect them.

    war voilence and hate is brhmncl way of ruling.spend all money on wars and defence and starve indians so that they dont ask more.THIS IS CALLED CHANKYA NEETE.

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    engrich Reply:

    Why cant he let muslims report on negative aspects of jehad.

    there is fatwa against militant jehad.non voilent jehad no problem.they will have peoples support if they are right.secular and liberals are thievs and corrupt,who are selling nation for their personal befenit.like in egypt or pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi, Raju, Pankaj ji, Mohan, Aaloke, Vijay Kumar, Mirza, Pervez,

    A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL.
    MAY THE NATION SEE BETTER DAYS AHEAD.
    MAY THE WORLD PROSPER UNDER INDIA’S LEAD.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Shenoy Sahab;
    I also wish a merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you.

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    engrich Reply:

    where is praajee abto mishrajee bhi aagaye.

    tum na jaane kis jahan mein kho gaye.

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  • Anonymous

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO OUR HOST VINOD SHARMA, ALL OTHER BLOGGERS.
    As it is not possible to share roast turkey , pork and sage stuffing , cranberry sauce, Julieene of carrots roast parsnips, fried mushroom , roast potato, christmas pudding and brandy sauce , and mince pie.with custard and for drinks sherry(that’s the menu in gravesend)
    LET ME TREAT THE BLOGGERS WITH AN EPITAPH OF THIS NEVER ENDING ANNA DRAMA As promised we will not be discussing Anna anymore.
    This is for the people who don’t have the access to the delights of bengali language, here is a translation from a book by Bijoya Roy(Wife of Satyajit Ray)
    The name of the book is “ABOUT US” , page 112-113
    “What a beautiful place Salzburg.We enquired at the festival hall , and we were told that all the tickets have been sold out for the three days of the festival.The whole purpose of coming to salzburg is to attend the Mozart festival , so when we found out there is no ticket available , I felt like crying.
    We waited infront of the gate , in case somebody had to cancel and wanted to sell their tickets. When we have just about given up hope of getting any ticket , one guide came up and said he has got ticket BUT IT WILL COST SEVERAL TIMES MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL PRICE.We were desperate , so we agreed.HE ASKED SEVEN TIMES THE LISTED PRICE.The guy after selling the ticket ., literally ran away.
    When we entered the hall , we understood Why.
    The overture of Magic Flute had already started, one cannot enter once it has begun.
    The usher came running , said all seats are full , YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD FAKE TICKETS.

    IF THIS CAN HAPPEN IN AUSTRIA CIRCA 1950, then India is doing pretty well

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  • Anonymous

    That was starters , THIS WILL BE MAIN COURSE FOR THE ISLAMOPHOBES OF THIS BLOG
    This time of the year , there is no planned activity in hospital. So I spent the whole day watching pakistani TV’s like PTV, Geo Tv , ARY tv.
    SOME GEMS
    When jinnah was ill with TB , someone suggested that he try an experimental drug only available for trial in India. Jinnah declined BECAUSE IT WAS COMING FROM INDIA

    There was a programme in Pakistani TV called AAP KI ADALAT
    It was a debate between two groups consisting of two person in each group.
    The topic was” Is internet to blame for the moral degradation in pakistan.”
    The guy (apparently he had written commentary on Quoran) who supported the motion LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG.He said PAKISTAN IS CALLED PORNISTAN, because maximum number of hits to child rape videos, horse sex , child abuse videos , all originate from pakistan. He asks “Is it possible all the sexually repressed people in the world live in pakistan”. He also said theseare downloaded and made into HARD COPY for export to Dubai. The moderator said there is a punjabi munjra which has some 35000 hits Vina Malik 50000 hits .
    The other side was quite rational. The guy said YOU CAN USE YOUR HAND TO KILL SOMEBODY OR USE IT TO BE CREATIVE.He suggested IRan , China type censor.
    To which a classical PUNJABI MOHATARMA (fat and fair) who is also MP in punjab assembly , said HER EFFORTS TO BRING IN CENSOR HAS BEEN THWARTED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE MALE MEMBERS OF PUNJAB ASSEMBLY.
    She said SAME WITH STOPPING MUNJRA IN THE WEDDINGS.

    Another Tv programme spoke about a village boy (with Hindu name DHANI , but surname baksh) who rose from dirt poor surroundings , and graduated with BSc Hons.
    He had applied for a job and was selected. But when he enquired about appointment letter , he was tols unless he pays HEFTY AMOUNT to the bosses , he will not get his job. This young man had dreamt so much of a way out of this grind, but seeing this insurmountable INJUSTICE, he lapsed into depression and ended his life
    ISLAM UP YOUR A SE.

    Lets end with something to cheer up
    Vina malik ’s pictures in HT is worth having a look , VERY ARTISTIC, VERY DROOLABLE, I am reliably informed her pectoral assets may have high content of SILICONE
    Merry and happy Christmas and a Happy New Year

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    engrich Reply:

    , but seeing this insurmountable INJUSTICE, he lapsed into depression and ended his life
    ISLAM UP YOUR A SE.

    even hindus in india has to pay hefty amount to get job.this is weakness of system nothing to do with islam or hinduism.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Re:Village Boy

    Change only the name of the boy to Dhani Ram and setting to India, yet the tale …………..

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  • Anonymous

    Fun begins.. UP election dates are announced. Congress has a new goodie for UP Muslims..reservation within reservations..

    I bet they get less than 40 seats… ..
    BJP will be in the same boat..
    Behanji will win with high margins…democracy, that is your name!

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    engrich Reply:

    i agree with ur assesment of situation.behenjee will win.congress is late.muslim vote will go her.muslims should be treated equally.there should be 10%resevation for muslims and 4%for brhmns.should not be quota with quota.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    if you leave our prejudice aside, you would see the possibility of the BJP making hay while the sun sets on the congress hopes for the ’son’.

    There is, even according to the Times Of India, sharp polarisation of Muslim vote because of the promised quota on religious ground, which in turn may polarise, at least in parts of UP, the Hindu votes. The upper castes too are very likely to move away from Mayawati and the congress and vote en-block for the BJP. All that remains for the party is to present a united leadership and enthuse its none too insignificant cadres.

    March 4, 2012 may hold a lot of surprises.

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  • engrich

    gopi the following statement of beni prsad verma is right.i never heard ant rss man fighting and dying for country.they military train themselves to kill original indians.

    प्रसाद वर्मा ने बेहद असम्मानजनक भाषा में अन्ना के ऊपर व्यक्तिगत आक्षेप लगाते हुए कहा, ‘ वह सन् 1965 के भारत-पाक युद्धा का भगोड़ा सिपाही है। इसके गांव रालेगण सिद्धि में सरपंच इसके खिलाफ जीता है। महाराष्ट्र में यह शरद पवार का विरोध कर रहा था, इसके बावजूद कांग्रेस-एनसीपी का गठबंधन नगरपालिका चुनाव में जीता है। ‘

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “प्रसाद वर्मा ने बेहद असम्मानजनक भाषा में अन्ना के ऊपर व्यक्तिगत आक्षेप लगाते हुए कहा, ‘ वह सन् 1965 के भारत-पाक युद्धा का भगोड़ा सिपाही है।”

    This comment of Beni Prasad Verma shows what a cheap and inferior kind of an Indian he is. And he was perfectly at ease and comfortable with Ram Vilas Paswan, who campaigned in the company of a look-alike of Osama Bin Laden, the terrorist.

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    engrich Reply:

    प्रसाद वर्मा ने बेहद असम्मानजनक भाषा में अन्ना के ऊपर व्यक्तिगत आक्षेप लगाते हुए कहा, ‘ वह सन् 1965 के भारत-पाक युद्धा का भगोड़ा सिपाही है।

    but he spoke truth.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Vijay,

    I had posted my reply in 2 parts. 2nd part has somehow disappeared.The 2nd part would have answered many of your questions.

    I get your message and suggestion clearly. However let me assure you that on daily routine, I have to be a hard nosed professional. I make my living by application (not theorizing )of various sciences like Thermodynamics,Heat Engineering,Mass transfer and many more.I do make a very very comfortable income.Idea of giving you all this background information is to inform you what I am writing is not outpourings of a dreaming armchair theorist.

    Coming back to our topic, I had tried to explain in my 2nd disappeared post on Limits and Maya. When we discuss,act in limits of our day to day activity, our responses , actions have to be as per those conditions. However, we can also sometimes relax our limits and think in much broader way. It may be called Fuzzy thinking (as by Shan) or Speculation (as by Ravi ) but It is much more than that. I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts about European view and Indian view. We have lost much of our capacity to understand Indian perspective.We should be equally comfortable in thinking with smaller limits ( What you call as hard facts ) and with broader limits .

    Hope it is not becoming too boring. Let us take a pause for some time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Very interesting. Would love to read more about this subject from you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Mohanrr,
    Thanks for your interest.Shall write as and when topic comes in discussion. However I sometimes feel, discussing using writing as the medium conveys less than half of your ideas.Verbal method conveys more as you can use speech and whole body to convey your idea ,most of the time results are better with spoken word.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Agree with you. Untill we meet, — I am sure some day we will — write some more on this subject whenever you feel
    like .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps your second post must have ‘mayafied’, proving that there is maya in this world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke…

    You are right

    Our great ancestors meditated about life, death, birth, energy, planets etc , came up with deep pronouncements, the world is still trying to decipher. .

    Indians will discover the eternal India.

    Today’s “below 30″ youngsters are quite different from my times. Liberalization and economic growth has created youngsters confident of themselves, deeply rooted to the larger community, well-anchored in their own country.

    When I compare how I (and my friends) was in my thirties to a 30yr old now, I only have optimism for the country. Thousands of flowers are blooming..

    Welcome to this blog Aaloke,

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Today is for family duties and I will be in the kitchen a lot, so will discuss this on a later occassion.

    For now accept from me, that your post is N O T boring.

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  • Anonymous

    Ramanujan lost and found: a 1905 letter from The Hindu

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article2745164.ece?homepage=true

    December 22, 2011 marked the 125th birth anniversary of the mathematical genius Srinivasa Ramanujan (1887-1920).

    The Ramanujan@125 celebrations are being inaugurated in Chennai on Monday, December 26 by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who will declare 2012 to be the National Mathematics Year.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe there are couple of movies being made in UK based on Ramanujan’s story – one based on a famous book/novelette written recently. DrShan may be able to elaborate.
    btw Ramanujan died at 32. So also Vivekananda, aadi Sankara, Jesus Christ – any body has any theory on this? Or more names to this dead by 32 group of great men (women).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi’s soul died at 32. What we see here is only the fake.

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    Ravi Reply:

    At least I had one.

    That is more than one can say about you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One who is under an illusion that he is too clever by half, does not know when he gets the knock out punches.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You still have one, but it is all evil. All the time bleating about ‘5000 rapes of dalit women by caste Hindus’

    Ravi Reply:

    And you without a soul can manage Jihadi this Troll that and 72 virgins.

    Shame on you

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ramanujan ,may have been a genius so far mathematics is concerned. But he was a PLONKER hindu bramhin to the core.
    He took a dip in the thames in the cold winter hoping to replicate the ganges.Inevitably he contracted pneumonia and died.
    Vivekananda died most likey from heart attack , ( he loved milk and cream )as a result of diabetes.There no Iccha Mrityu as paraded by his disciples.
    As for Jesus Christ , there are lot of theories , as to whether he really existed.The four gospels differ markedly in their content

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shan,
    What I have read about Ramanujan, he died of Tuberculosis .About Vivekanand, never heard that he had Diabetes and he died of Heart attack.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Aaloke , you may be correct about ramanujan’s TB
    but the bramhinical food fad of strict vegetarianism in UK is correct.Apparently that may have contributed to his TB. Given in winter of UK in 1915 , not much nutritious vegetable was available

  • Anonymous

    Three great human beings make the December 25th date a unique, very special day.

    Jesus Christ was born on this day.

    The greatest film music director, Naushad, was born on this day in 1919.

    And Vajapayee, our former Prime Minister, too was born on December 25th 1924.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And tommorow on boxing day, first test match between India and Australia
    will start where India will beat Australia and Sachin will score his 100th
    century.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    I did not know the story (or history) behind “boxing day” until recently.
    The upper crust celebrated Christmas on 25th, with their servants working hard on the dinner, party etc.
    Servants get a day of rest next day, when they celebrate their Christmas. And their bosses “box” the leftover toys/gifts as presents to these little people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is like made snan inKukke Subramanya.
    Only, the ‘little people’ don’t have to roll on the left overs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Thanks. I knew this story.

  • Anonymous

    Ram Lanka se vaapas aa rahe the
    Surpankha boli : Prabhu, mera kya hoga?
    Ram: Kalyg mein Ayodhya par raaj karogi, par viviah phir bhi nahin hoga
    Naam hoga MAYAWATI.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what about the ‘Indraprasth” ki Rani?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Three cheers for mohan. Hip Hip Hurray.

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  • Anonymous

    A Polish immigrant by name Brzzxnssky went to the DMV to apply for a driver’s license. First, of course, he had to take an eye sight test The optician showed him a card with the letters

    ‘C Z W I X N O S T A C Z.’ ‘Can you read this?’ the optician asked.

    ‘Read it?’ Brzzxnnsky replied, ‘I know the guy.’

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    You have hit your funny bone today. Another good one from you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very good one.

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  • Anonymous

    RAVI ATTACKS PARVEZ, RIZWAN & MIRZABHAI
    ____________________________________________________
    Totally disgusted with you ravi, u hv nasty streak in u that u need to control. Last yr u drove away sweet boy Rizwan because he was modern, rich and did not go along with your hate hindus hate india campaign. This year you hv diluted yr stance but yr occasional claims of”i luv india” sound insincere. Puttar even on blog deshbhakti ki khushboo soonghi ja sakti hai.

    Then I see you got jealous when Dr mishra and parvez bonded. There are some very unusual bonds here, Gopi and Rizwan, dr mishra and gopi on history, mohan and vijay and Dr pankaj on whiskey, hehe, manohar snd prabhat on Congress, isi ka naam hai India.

    You feel left out and lashout. Leave the moderate muslims on this blog alone, maybe they want good lives for children, good schhools and hosp, maybe they want to get out of ptison of hindu hate. Maybe u shud join them rather than abuse mishraji , most respected voice on blog. Every week yr credibilty sinks low

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    Ravi Reply:

    Look in the mirror

    What about all the attacks they and people like Shenoy and Vijay make on me.

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    engrich Reply:

    superpatriotism is start of fascism.which ultimately curtail and finish
    civil liberties.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Here we have ’self appointed’ thinkers and preachers, who unfailingly use a grammar of labels – Hindus, Muslims, etc., never in terms of people and humanity. Some preachers.

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    Ravi Reply:

    It sure does.

    Yet again we have a situation where modern Muslims want to escape from mad Mullahs only to fing that Boring Brahmins are waiting for them.

    They end up swapping one guy telling them what think with another set who want to do the same.

    engrich Reply:

    praaje blog was missing u.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Smug B mishra’s obidient poodle balls bhondhu has written an intellectual tome

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    So what is your credibility now??

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  • Anonymous

    BVS-
    I am not for Congress to win. In fact, with the announcement of another petrol price rise, they will most probably lose.
    However, BJP as it is, is only marginally better//different – they are also looting (may be on a smaller scale), they also lack personal integrity, they also have their ‘party politics”..
    The country needs a Modi now. Growth has to be brought back, rupee has to be brought up – Dr MMS is too tired and caught up in the palace politics.
    U are right; yuvraj sun will set in UP if he repeats his electoral performance in the last assembly elections of Kerala and Tamil Nadu….may be he wants that, that way he can get out of politics (the doctors in this forum should be able to provide the psychological term for this behaviour)

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi u feel indians are absolutely fool.

    the man who was using top officers of gujrat police and petty gundaas to extract money from bussines houses will be our pm.moreover he is illetrate
    person.now blood thirsty brhmns of nagpur are fter his neck.so ur wish is not going to be fulfilled soon.

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  • Anonymous

    Shaan,

    you wrote:……”He suggested IRan , China type censor.
    To which a classical PUNJABI MOHATARMA (fat and fair) who is also MP in punjab assembly , said HER EFFORTS TO BRING IN CENSOR HAS BEEN THWARTED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE MALE MEMBERS OF PUNJAB ASSEMBLY.
    She said SAME WITH STOPPING MUNJRA IN THE WEDDINGS.”

    Here is proof of how ‘mean’ men are:

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab, Jindabaad.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra Moradabad

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who is mean , I think the designer is mean

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Being a ladies tailor was a dream which many kids had. This tailor has added many NEW DIMENSIONS !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Parvez,

    Ladies tailor ? Very interesting profession. Why I did not think
    of that when I was young .
    Abhi bhi umar itni zyada to nahin hai, I can always start a side
    business.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pervez,

    in my boutique, when ladies come to get their blouses and dresses stitched, my wife makes it strictly out-of-bounds for me.

    Mohan, you can still fulfil your desire. Come, invest in my boutique. I will hand over the ladies’ section to you.

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  • Anonymous

    Hi everyone!

    Am back after a day of Christmas merriment at DU hostel.

    Was nice to hear Mirza’s voice. There are many voices like us who can become a chorus. Somewhere we let the conservative voices shout us down and let them decide the agenda of what all Muslims think and for that matter decide what Muslims should be doing.

    Balwinderji, my fight is NOT with Ravi, but with anyone who pre-supposes that only a conservative agenda can suit us. Or take for granted that just because of a Muslim name it is important for a person to support global jehadi voices rather than the problems which all Indians face. In this context this joker Engrich (I hope I get the name right now) is a prime example. I love to rub cow dung on his face. He may look like a joker here. But once ten of these types are standing in front of your house, they become monsters. They will start giving a dictation on you and family members that as a Muslim you have only one path, and if you confront that, then you are doomed.

    When Ravi made light of fatwas… a joke in Delhi— but deadly serious matter in Etawah and Aligarh– I did a bit of Kushti,

    You see it is my fundamantel right to question all Islamic belief and even if it requires– toss it into the Ganga.

    Dr Mishra. the areas of Moradabad you mentioned are where I cycled and motor cycled five years back. Maybe we will meet at morari Chat shop one day ! I have left behind a legacy of brass exports which my grandfather did– my father being a doc– I wonder whether for monetry reasons I may need ot go back one day !

    I would also say that this bit of Muslim reservations is a bad step which is going to segregate the community and destroy free thinkers like me. We have minority institutions but reservations are going to make people more religious– which I feel is a bad thing in case they end up supporting orthodoxy and fixed belief. There are people in our community who still believe that the Earth rotates around the moon and moon landing is a joke!!

    The way out was to expand the meaning of backward classes to include poor people who cold be Muslims or any other minority. I dont think this drama will end now. Hotheads will ask for 10% and then tell liberals like me… what have you done for Muslims. We have done this much. Sad. Very Sad.

    This is COMMUNALISM Jayate !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    Practice religion at home only and enjoy life. Religion is not the only thing in life, there are many interesting things in life to do. Niether mullahs nor anyone
    on this blog should make any difference to your life. Do what you want
    as long as your actions dont harm anyone.
    Am I preaching ? Sorry if I am . As I tell this to almost everyone, hopefully
    one day we will meet, have a drink together, talk about many things like
    cricket, movies, beautiful girls — if my wife is not around– and many other
    interesting things.
    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you MOhan

    I am a light drinker. But I take my beer seriously… and love it !

    yes there are many intersting things in life happening. The most important being to give these bloodie Aussies a bleeding nose in the boxing day test.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    A cricket lover? Yaar, tum to meri biradari ke ho. I am going
    to wake up early in the morning to watch this match.
    And yes, we will win this time.
    Where drinking is concerned I am game for anything.

    Ravi Reply:

    It being Xmas today….I have been cooking most of the day and I have had a bottle or two of Hoegaarden, the best wheat beer that there is.

    Try it if you can get it. A few months ago I did try a Wheat Beer in a bar with micro brewary in Gurgaon. It was very very good.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have noted down the name. Will try to locate it. Was the bar you mentioned in ambience mall gurgaon?

    Ravi Reply:

    I have been to that one as well and they too have a good Wheat Beer. But the one that I went to recently was on the other side of Gurgaon and sorry I do not know its name.

    There was a rock band playing mainly Pink Floyd it was wierd seeing Pink Floyd being played some 25 yrs after people in the UK stopped listening to them, live.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pervez, Mohan and also Ravi,

    I am not a bit amused that “aap log iss blog mein aisi gandhi, gandhi baatein karte hain”.

    On my part I have been singing this song since yesterday night:

    log peete hain lad-khadate hain
    dil se duniya ka ghum mitate hain
    ek hum hain ke teri mehfil main
    pyaase aate hain, pyaase jaate hain

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy.

    Come to my mehfil, I promise you wont
    go pyaasa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy sir.

    Aap hamari mehfil mein aayein. Delhi Universioty ki ladkiyan dekh kar, Lemon juice par hi scotch ka nasha aa jayega…

    (hope you forgive this bacha for being cheeky !)

    Anonymous Reply:

    ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.

    Ravi Reply:

    प्यास कुछ और भी भ्र्ड़का दी झलक दिखला के
    तुझ को पर्दा रुख-इ-रोशन से हटाना होगा

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez-

    study well. India needs you.
    I am a single malt whiskey drinker.. Well, you will graduate into that as you age!

    We had a big christmas procession this morning.. Santa Appoppan (Grandgfather Santa) sitting on top of a decked, bejewelled elephant, with “pancha vadya ” (music of five instruments common in Kerala temples)…. with christians, hindus, and some muslims showing up…
    a great country in deed

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you for your kind words Gopi. I have always admired the sheer joy and merriment which accompanies Xmas. My greetings to you for the day.

    I also took part in a procession which was to culminate at the church in Gol Dakhakhana in New Delhi 1. I am happy that some Muslims took part in the procession in Kerala as inter religious mixing is the best way to remove barriers which politicians want to create.

    engrich Reply:

    You see it is my fundamantel right to question all Islamic belief and even if it

    thid should not be limited muslims and islam only.

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    engrich Reply:

    this context this joker Engrich

    parvez u are applauded because uare idiot and donkey.awnser my queries.what u are saying and dpoing is very normal nothing new.but u are so idiot i never knew.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you need to get your head tested. Your time has gone. In case we follow your fundoo ideas, Muslims will become more isolated the world over.

    You should also question the fundamantel belivefs which make you a duffer. Instead of listening to Zakir naik, you shoul follow me. Did our religious book have a treatise on car engines, democracy, petro products, theory of relativity, theory of species, films, foreign relations, moblile phones, internet, TV news, quality of beer etc etc?

    If the answer is no, then please dont use it to intrepret and coment on all that. Please realise that it was written 1400 years back and can be an indicative text and not a binding guide. Learn from it and evolve. Reject it on its theories on women and people from other relgions and scinece.

    If you think the answer is yes– that the relgious books have detailed notes on all these subjects– Then continue being the zombie you are. And yes…. if you try to impose your ideas on others by force… then be prepared for a slap from me….

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    engrich Reply:

    . Did our religious book have a treatise on car engines, democracy, petro products, theory of relativity, theory of species, films, foreign relations, moblile phones, internet, TV news, quality of beer etc etc?

    holy quran is spiritual.above things are worldly.we need both to live.dont compare apple with orange.

    u fllow what u want.nobody care.but dont attack others faith or others way of seeing the things.

    tody india is begging bullet train technology from japan.i sit on bullet 35 yrs agao.butjapanese are extremely religious people.india is being destroyed by those who are boasters.
    u are still immature hence dont take my name next time.

    professor abdusalam (holder of noble prize in physics )was a very practizing muslim.after 1947 no indian (living in india)could not win noble prize.

    i consider u a an idiot and stupid,dont take my name in ur writing.u are worth of it.

    in iim banglore brhmns invented nothing while eating thousands of crores.only expertize they have is muslim bashing and boasting.

    our holy book has instructed us
    to go after ilm.first ayat of quran says ,ALLAMAL INSANA MA ALM YALAM,which meanns hamne tumhe ilm diya taki tum ise padho aur samjho.ilm lene ke liye zaroori ho to cheen bhe jao.

    muslims were the most enlightened and educated race till

    17th century.with 1001 innovative inventions.

    regarding christmas parties ,no city in india can compare the way christmas and new year is celeberated in muslim country like dubai and istamboul.

    also add to ur knowledge that biggest cross in world is made in dubai.not in europe.

    engrich Reply:

    Please realise that it was written 1400 years back and can be an indicative text and not a binding guide

    it is binding for us and indicative also.aaj insaan jitna preshan hai kabhi nahi tha.

    dont try to teach or impose.if balwinder will say these things to sikhs ,they will cut his neck.

    u are young junior dont advise.aql 40 saal ke bad aati hai.
    this is ur time to see the world.
    hence next time dont take my name.

    engrich Reply:

    In this context this joker Engrich (I hope I get the name right now) is a prime example. I love to rub cow dung on his face

    son of a donkey whisky kee bottle apni ghaand mein daal ke soya karo.but dont talk islam while drunk.

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  • Ravi

    Balwinder and Dr Mishra

    I hope you have read Pervez’s post. I hope you do not mind if I do not hold my breath, your history here suggests that you do not read. I am not the only one who has repeatedly suggested that, others have too.

    So who is blown out of the water now, who has shredded me to pieces, now.

    Keep dreaming you name dropping, game dropping ego maniacs, the corner you trolls can bury me into, has not been made yet.

    The two of you are as shallow as a dog piss puddle.

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    engrich Reply:

    ravi bhai,

    why this misra and balwinder discuss personities.anybody speak bad about
    islam and muslims is great and friens .anybody speak truth is to be boycotted and attacked.

    rss is brhmnst party.public show hinduism is 100 times more than islam in muslim countries.to har waqt naseehat kyon dete hain.

    jab se modi ke police officers jail chale gayein hai tubse koye jihadi modi ko marne nahin aata.

    kutch hai nahin isliye zhoot of personality attack hee rah jata hata.

    mujse darte hain isliye bhagna sab se achcha daon hai.

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  • Anonymous

    Nice to hear Pervez’s voice out here. He is right that Muslims– or for that matter all religions need to see the limitations of religious texts written centuries back. But maybe that threatens status quo and force is used to quell such thoughts.

    hopefully in India– politicains and mullas won’t crush voices like Pervz’s. Though I have my doubts. Our resident fundoo defender– Engrich — has called Pervez an idiot and a donkey. Look who is sayign that ! :)

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    engrich Reply:

    Our resident fundoo defender– Engrich — has called Pervez an idiot and a donkey

    he is more than this.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare to stage dharna outside homes of Sonia, Rahul

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anna-Hazare-to-stage-dharna-outside-homes-of-Sonia-Rahul/articleshow/11245480.cms

    Strange. On second thoughts, not strange at all.

    Why no dharna outside Bal Thakre’s residence, he is opposed to the creation of Lokpal in the first place and his party would vote against the bill.

    Why no dharna outside the residence of the two Yadavs, they do not seem to want the Lokpal?

    Why no dharna outside the residences of MPs of other parties, who have been lambasting Team Anna?

    ‘Zaroor daal kuchh kaalaa hai’. Lopkpal Bill was/is an excuse – the real intent has always been something else, but some people never seem to learn – e.g. from the results of the recent elections in Maharashtra.

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    engrich Reply:

    anna is an rss man,sleeping cell of international zoinism.corrution is base of brhmnsm.if not checked, in time, very soon india will become another syria.karkare cught them taking training with live ammunition at 53 places.anna ne yudhdh ka begul bajaya hai.

    our only hope is great SONIA GHANDHI.we hope and pray that she will succeed in fighting these vile wickeds an chamoleons.

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  • engrich

    GOPI ,

    TELL ME WHY AFTER SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUR GRASS EATING SCIENTISTS COULD NOT INVENT EVEN A RAZOR BLADE.BULLET TRAIN WAS INVENTED BY JAPAN MORE THAN 40 YEARS AGO.OUR LABS COULD NOT EVEN COPY.CHINA IS FAR
    AHEAD IN THIS TECHNOLOGY WHY.

    U ARE NATIONALIST MAN FILE PIL IN SUPREME COURT.

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  • Anonymous

    Did Jesus Christ Really Live? (ca. 1922)
    by Marshall J. Gauvin

    http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    VERY INTERESTING

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One on the facts is that it was written 90 years ago.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I have read such articles before also, however, this is more elaborated.
    My belieif is that religions are based on faith and not on historical facts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Even I had read a similar article years ago, a short one though. This is really an elaborate one, which I chanced upon yesterday. It was written some 90 years ago.

    1) Imagine someone writing on the same lines about Islam and Hinduism. All hell will break loose. Blasphemy and treachery are some of the words come to mind. Fatwas and violence will be weapons.

    2) “My belieif is that religions are based on faith and not on historical facts”. 100% correct.

    We have discussed this before. Yes, of course, religions are based on faith, but the problem is the faith is being forcefully manifested as a reality, which is a dangerous thing and we have seen the consequences.

    However, many of the reformist movements by the likes of Gautam Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak and others have been turned into religions i.e. exclusive clubs by their followers after these great souls departed.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra Moradabad

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar for u to comment on what happened in Zia blog when YOU WERE NOT EVEN THERE is bizarre, it is foolish. Many here, Gopi, Vijay , Shenoy, Raju Kurien, Rajiiv, Mishra doc, have spoken very fondly of Rizwan, and have remembered how Ravi used to rip into him abusively when he did not spout jehadi bullshit.
    So for you to make light of Rizwans hounding is to deny the memories of all above, it is stupid. The way engrich is using dirty language now was what Ravi used to use. Now Ravi is suddenly talking of wine, but when he attacked Mirzabhai, mask had slipped. RAVI SHOUTED OBSCENITIES AT HINDU GODS AND WHEN ATTACKED BY ALL OF US FOR THIS VULGARITY, SAIS “balwinder, gone”
    RAVI, U ACKNOLEGE THIS INCIDENT OR SHALL WE C/P, and listen Ravi, try not to abuse your elders, it makes all here despise you more. Dont forget that when everyone used to atack u, u sent me 15 personal emails

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This blog is for MEN not boys , grow up.
    BOYS DONT CRY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a disease of self-righteousness afflicting them and when challenged they become abusive cry-babies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My response was to your statement, there was/is no need to go into the background.

    One person is appalled at hate Hindu campaign but simultaneously is not appalled by hate minorities campaign. Very selective indeed to get upset about. A real human being will or will not take offence about all hate campaigns.

    Rizwan or whatever must be a very strange person, he takes offence at hate one religion (not his own) and does not take offence at targeting of his own religion, if you go solely by the name or alias. I repeat -speaks volumes about him and a lot of people here. Stinks of double standards, doublespeak and …, the hallmark of ……………

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just as well as Rizwan is not here to represent himself.

    You – being a Chul Khilaren Walla – remember only what you wish to.

    Do C/P I shouted obscenities on you – NO APPOLOGY OFFERED- because you are a partisan idiot, who organises fake surveys which you always win.

    Shall C/P.

    I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I USED AN INAPPROPRIATE WORD FOR RAMA DURING A NIGHT WHEN RAJEEEEEEEEEEEEEVS AND I EXCHANGED 100 OR SO ABUSIVE POSTS, ABOUT A YEAR AGO. IT WAS NEITHER B A L W I N D E R, NOR D R M I S H R A, WHO ACCUSED ME OF THIS OBSCENITY, RAJEEEEEEEEVS DID.

    THE REST ARE BANDWAGONISTS INCLUDING SHENOY AND VIJAY. BIGGEST BANDWAGONIST IS BALWINDER WITH NO ORIGINAL THOIUGHT OF HIS OWN

    BTW I still stand by 4999 Dalit Rapes a day. Want to discuss it!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is mine

    vkkhanna71@gmail.com

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    You now should have everything I sent to Balwinder.

    What you believe or not is your choice.

  • Anonymous

    This is an antidote to the BANAL , childish tripe , that balwinder has inflicted on the bloggers.
    Christmas in UK , few observation.
    It is not a religious occasion really , it is a secular festival of feasting and shopping(THE REAL SHOPPING BEGINS TOMORROW , WITH THE SALES)
    This year I am sure the sales figures will be appalling given the economic climate.
    I am pissed off to watch the witch look alike Queen on the TV.
    Amazing country this England or perhaps UK in one respect . The working class(there is no such equivalent in India), by which one refers to craft people , like plasterer , builder , petty clerks , nurses. Small amount of education , THUS VERY NARROW OUTLOOK OF LIFE , GOD REPLACED BY MONARCHY IN THEIR WORSHIP.
    And also VERY XENOPHOBIC , well RACIST in blunter terms, vote labour only when their jobs are threatened OTHERWISE TOTALLY RIGHT WING , VERY EASILY SURCHARGED BY THE TALK OF IMMIGRATION , AND HOW IT IS AT THE ROOT OF ALL PROBLEM IN UK.
    In fact in England , if you see any house flying the English flag(there are four different flags , english, scottish , welsh , british , may be also northern ireland) , immediately you know this is working class, IN FACT THE PRICE GOES DOWN FOR SUCH A HOUSE.
    Also UK is NOT STRICTLY SECULAR, thus councils spend money for decorating the high street with christmas tree. , THIS HAS BEEN A BONE OF CONTENTION IN USA , where NATIVITY PLAY on display in Texas has been challenged in court , as state and church should be separate according to US constitution.
    It is good in INDIA , GOVT TO MY KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN RELIGIOUS FESTIVITIES, APART FROM THE SCUMBAG SHIV SENA PERHAPS IN GANAPATI PUJA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is good in INDIA , GOVT TO MY KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN RELIGIOUS FESTIVITIES, APART FROM THE SCUMBAG SHIV SENA PERHAPS IN GANAPATI PUJA.
    ———–

    Even the lumpen Shiv Sena cannot use the Government machinery to celebrate festivals, however they would dearly love to do so, so also many of other scumbag parties who also exploit religion for their own nefarious goals.

    Our framers of the Constitution were really very far-sighted and made sure that the goddam religions were kept out of the affairs of the state.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,

    This is the first time I am in US during the Christmas season. There is a tension, promoted by Fox news 24 hrs, that there is nothing wrong in govt decorating govt buildings ( “and public squares”) with Christmas/nativity scenes..

    The republican presidential primary process is underway. I understand a big voting block is “religious/fundamentalist” Christian, and Mitt Romney, a Mormon, has not so far hit above 24% nationally. It seems Americans will take a black, or a woman, before they take a Mormon as their president.

    This is an interesting country….some of the stories my friends say, well, seem like stories — (such as home education, the firm belief that the world was “created” six thousand years ago by you know who, the belief that US is specially blessed by God (“exceptional” country)…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    It will be very interesting if a Mormom is elected as a president of USA.
    If the Mormon laws are applied, then their will be interesting compition
    between Mormons and muslims about who can keep more wives.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It’ll be a sad day… It may tempt our fiery women’s rights angels to demostrate outside the US embassy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And our friend Engrich will come with his gang to
    oppose these fiery women.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Some of these women’s activists are kown for their razor sharp brains… and I hope they dont use the razor on our fundoo in the worng way…

    Anonymous Reply:

    (: (: ha ha

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    Well observed, but can you not see some parallels with India.

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  • Anonymous

    2011 has been really a tragic year, a good number of our stalwarts bid adieu.

    Here is a partial list
    01) Pandit Bhimsen Joshi
    02) Maqbool Fida Hussain
    03) Dev Anand
    04) Shammi Kapoor
    05) Jehangir Sabavala
    06) Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi
    07) Jagjit Singh
    08) Mario Miranda
    09) Satyadev Dubey
    10) Bhupen Hazarika

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    Ravi Reply:

    Every one a great model and a great talent. Their achievemnets makes one feel a proud Indian.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Engrich,

    Prefoessor Abdus Salam was hounded by fundoos like you in Pakistan for being a Ahemadiya. Even his grave was vandalised.

    Instead of taking pride in his name, go and hound all the people who troubled him and continue to do so to all Ahmediyas in the name of Islam.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez

    Just so this is not mis-understood.

    I believe that Ahemadiya (Kadiyani’s) should be allowed to follow what ever they wish to.

    However, for the sake of accuracy, the conflict between Sunni’s and Ahemadiya’s is nothing new and has been going on since the very inception of the Ahemedia sect.

    There are other secterian conflicts within Islam in the sub-continent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    The conflict may not be new but it is nobody’s right to stop people from thinking differently. Engirch claimed ownershop of Abdussalam’s greatness, yet would have never have allowed him to worship the way he wanted to openly. In case Sunni’s have a right to preach, then why should not Qadiani’s have the same rights?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I do not dis-agree as far as “same rights” is concerned.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is there any part of my posting you disagree with?

    How can anyone crow about Abdus salam’s Islamic background when in real life the sect he belonged to– Kadiyanis– who were founded in India like sufis– are hounded by the same people?

    engrich Reply:

    . In case Sunni’s have a right to preach, then why should not Qadiani’s have the same
    they can but should not call them as muslim.as they are challenging base of islam.

    engrich Reply:

    nobody stopped them to worship or preach.but they should not call them muslim.

    MAHMOOD ABBAS THE PLO LREADER IS QADIANI.selected by muslim fighters of palestine.problem is this that u people are expert story makers.

    engrich Reply:

    every religion has some variant.christainity has thousands of different evangical churches.

    they can follow their faith but dont use label of islam.

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    engrich Reply:

    i have great respect for him.qadiyani is political problem not religious.these qadianis were british agents and spies gave lot of pain to local population people to have petty favors.

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    engrich Reply:

    Prefoessor Abdus Salam was hounded by fundoos like you in Pakistan
    this is lie.

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    engrich Reply:

    dont teach me what i should do what i should not.

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    engrich Reply:

    dont teach me what i should do what i should not.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    Nanaji Deshmukh took sanyas from active politics in 1980 and devoted his life to the integrated development of 80 villages in the Chitrakoot block.

    Praising Nanaji Deshmukh for his single-minded devotion to the uplift of the people, Dr.A.P.J.Abdul Kalam had said “What the octogenarian leader was doing at Chitrakoot should be an eye-opener for others.”

    Therefore, if Anna Hazare gets inspired by Deshmukh and emulates the village upliftment work for his own village Ralegan-Siddhi, why should Digvinash Singh propagate the falsehood that Anna is attached to RSS?

    I believe even Rahul Baba went and stayed in Chitrakoot for three days and saw the work done by Deshmukh and was highly impressed.

    Why don’t you advise your friend, Digvinash, to stop being a joker?

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  • Ravi

    Dr MISHRA is a Lying Toad, The bent Referee

    Yesterday Dr Mishra ACCUSED me of hounding Rizwan out of Zia’s blog, supported by his chela Balwinder and the resident Narad Muni Gopi.

    He provided NO EVIDENCE beyond his warped imagination.

    I DID NOT HOUND RIZWAN OR ANY ONE ELSE.

    I have gone back and analysed ONE Blog entitled Islamist terror: Is this the beginning of the end

    Here is the link to it.. http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/they-call-me-muslim/2011/04/10/islamist-terror-is-this-the-beginning-of-its-end/

    I have excerpts (ask them to be posted if you want), if not look for your self.

    Dr Mishra is a liar

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I think you should calm down. if you are confident of your beliefs why let others upset you. Blogging should not be reduced to personal battles.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez

    Allow me.

    You are absolutely right. Having said that please check out – one section – the supporters of Hindutva/RSS – here has made a regular disgusting habit of targeting bloggers not amenable to their views of the world. The weapons used are abuse, accusations and “questioning” the credentials and background of the individual bloggers. They are not interested in discussing or debating the points raised. As a result many times, the other side retaliates in a similar vein.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez

    Manohar has expressed my views better than I would have.

    The issue here is that these people go gaga when they hear, from an Indian Muslim normal views.

    That also means that others who treat you as they treat any one else, are then supposed to walk on egg shells around you, in case my opposing your views throws you in the clutches of some mad mullah, or a jihadi.

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  • Anonymous

    Parvez, (and Egrich):

    Pakistan is the only country to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims. The law that made them outcast also prohibited them from attending Muslim mosques, prevented them from making calls for prayer etc etc.

    Ahmadis have been the victim of killings and elimination, along with other minorities such as Hindus and Christians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mirza

    Thank you sir for pointing this out. We only expect the worst of things to happen in Pakistan. For them anyone who does not confirm to their hardline, single sided view of Islam is anthema. I have granduncles who settled in karachi and when they come to India, they give us gory tales of violence between factions and religions. A shamful and shamefull country which can
    only be an example of what not to be.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistan, not only did not give Dr Salam a state funeral; but also removed “Muslim” from the epitaph on his tomb in Jhang, his birth place. The word “Muslim” was removed from the epitaph “The first Muslim Nobel laureate”; they could have replaced Muslim with “Pakistani”, but that was not to be. The epitaph now reads
    “The first —- — Nobel Laureate”.

    He never received any honours from Pakistan govt, although he was the founder of the Pakistan Atomic Energy commission and the “father”/trainer of many prominent scientists in Pakistan. There are no roads named after him. No buildings.. except his college in Lahore that is named after him.

    The “non Ahmadiya” pygmies who came after him have been honoured with the “lion of this” “sh– of that”…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mirza

    That’s sad! Abdus Salam certainly added a big chapter in electomagnetic unification. Only trolls would want to measure such research at the alter of religous discrimination.

    Surprsingly ECG George Sudarshan from kerala too has done a massive amount of work in various fields of atomic physics. It has definately missed the nobel prize…. by a Higgs boson !

    Feel sad that Pakistan could not recognise its real son and instead chose to give importance to turds like Zia-ul Haq, Hafeez Saeed and zain hamid.

    engrich Reply:

    u are right.this is called politics.he himself was a practising muslim.i have great honour for him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    U have gr8 honor for him,,, then go to Pakistan and fight for the rights of Ahemadis. Sit outside the Pakistani embassy , like gandhi,and go n a hunger strike with placard “stop butchering Ahemandis:

    Engrich your fake crocodile tears only prove that you will lay claime to the property of anyone, even the poor souls tortured by fanatucs in our releiogn.

  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~~~~~~~~ HI…. FROM WILDLIFE RESORT ~~~~~~~~ :) :) ~!!!~~~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    @ Mirza

    Thx for reminding us on the pitfalls of a hardline state Pakistan is…

    @ Pervez

    Impressive postings. Yes, you certainly are the vopice of India. Wish I could join you in the mehfil in your room. If Shenoy has the lemon juice… I wont mind the beer !

    @ Ravi

    One thing I learnt in the nature reserve…. Tigers don’t cry… only hyenas do !! :) :)

    @ Balwinder

    Thx for the history….

    @ Manohar

    We need employment… Ok… kuch toh faida hai lokpal ka !!

    Jai Ho !!

    Bye everyone !

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Vijay;
    I am happy to know that you love wild life. I Wish to make a documentary on wild life of India, in an amature way. Hope you can deliever a script.
    BTW, could not get documentaries made by Bedi brothers. Any idea, where I can get them?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Absolutely! I’ll love to deliver the script! As for Bedi brothers… they made some excellent stuff during the 70’s and 80’s which I have seen on discovery.

    DOnt knwo where you can get hold of their works. Probably you need to hint the net. Some fan or maybe their children would have definately posted their films.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna and his gang dancing on tune of BJP.,Intention of BJP is very clear they want to disgrace to Sonia and Rahul Gandhi any how .I am 100 p.c. sure the bill will not pass in parliament..Anna ans his gang have chances to create chaos in the country up to 2014 general election and both Sonia and Rahul completely disgraced up to that time and BJP easily came to power.Team hostage to Anna for their selfish purpose

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  • Apurva Gaglani

    There is no danger to Test cricket whatsoever as long as the cycle of 21 is there, because it is 2 innings for each team in 1 match. It is all hype

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  • Vivek Agarwal

    In various conversations with authorities, schools, etc. related to fashion in India – it becomes painfully clear that they are not interested in furthering the designers interest further. Its painful, but you are right – there is no hope unless there is a concerted effort !

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  • http://www.facebook.com/rob.greene.1426 Rob Greene

    No man is an island so they say. A concerted effort surely will help. It is important that a right person be designated as the chair who will head the planning and all.

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