Fair games



Alright. We have many fashion weeks. And all boast of generating business for participating designers. And at each of these fashion weeks, most crib that they are not happy with the business they generated.

So each season whether in Delhi or Mumbai, I get to hear plenty. That they didn’t get their due, that buyers were kidnapped and sent to a few stalls and shows, that the stall location was crap, that they didn’t get a stall at all, etc, etc.

I wonder why we never had a fashion fair in India. I often visit such fairs as Tranoi, Pittie Imagine, etc and there I see hundreds of buyers milling around buying from exhibitors from around the world. These fairs are positioned in such a manner as to not to clash with any major fashion weeks and at places where all would love to go to. These are organised well and all go participate in them go home happy as well.

Perhaps we too should have such a fair here. May be we should make an attempt and see how such an event would work here. There are many talented ones here who don’t get places in fashion weeks because of politics. Such people will get a chance to showcase what they have to offer at such a fair.

It will be a great thing to have here. Exhibition stalls with preview areas coupled with cafes, eateries and meeting places with hundreds of fashion and lifestyle brands and products on display. Not a bad idea, don’t you think?

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    Let it be tried in other states too such as Maharashtra, Gujarat (Modi has welcomed the decision – though he may be forced to toe the central leadership’s line) and other states who are willing.

    The same groundless arguments were put forward to oppose, when domestic super market chains set up shops all over.

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  • Anonymous

    By all means, lets allow it only in Punjab to begin with and nowhere else.

    Why do I need to beleive that Walmart would be here to save our farmers and urban consumers like us.

    When our democratically elected govt. can’t/won’t do the same, why do you expect that Walmart would do it for us?

    In fact, I have a sense that Sonia G was in the USof A couple months back finalising this deal with Walmart and making sure the huge commission earned was safely put somewhere before she returned. That’s why the cabinet rushed through the decision without a debate in the parliament. If the Congress is so sure that it is good for everyone, why shy away from a debate?

    The debates are necessary only for a Jan Lokpal bill???????

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Who went and “finalized the deal” with other global chains like the 7-Eleven, Tesco, Carrefour, Metro and others, surely they cannot be allowed into the country for “free and without striking a deal” with Sonia Gandhi? Or will only Walmart be allowed into the country?

    2) Get your facts right first – it is always a cabinet decision and then it is tabled in the Parliament so that a debate can take place and not the other way around.

    Who is stalling the Parliament and shying away from debate? Are there congressis in the opposition ranks, who are orchestrating the opposition?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I only suspected certain things and someone is already fuming.

    Where do you get your news from? Is it the opposition which is responsible for the current logjam? They have moved a perfectly legal “adjournment motion” and asked for a discussion.

    The Left and the BJP have insisted that the policy be discussed in Parliament under an adjournment motion- which means a debate will end with a vote. The government has rejected this – it wants a debate, but no vote.

    Who are you trying to fool?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not fuming. Only pointing out the inconsistency of your post. To me neither Sonia Gandhi nor Narendra Modi struck any ‘under the table” deals.

    The opposition has been stalling the proceedings on one pretext or the other from day one even before the FDI announcement was made. You are surely fooling yourself.

    FDI is just one of the bills, there are 31 more important pieces of legislation including the much vaunted Lokpal bill waiting to be discussed, debated and passed.

    All discussions can take place as per procedures and not by threats – let them bring adjournment motion and if they are so confident a no-confidence motion too. Who stops them tabling such a motion?

    Anonymous Reply:

    My party’s stand is my stand on FDI retail: Narendra Modi.

    Is asking for a discussion followed by a vote a threat? In a democracy, why is the govt. scared of votes? A discussion without a vote is nothing more than a waste of time – it yeilds no result.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Ishwar has raised a valid point. Why only debate,
    why no vote on this policy ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    There cannot be debate and vote on every issue, because 1) parliament is not in session for 365 days of the year as the executive branch is. 2) there are many decisions which the government takes, because it has the majority in the parliament. That is what parliamentary democracy is all about.

    If every decision was to be checked first by the parliament – imagine the delays in decision making and you will be the first one to complain, curse and protest at the delays. It is like asking the Managing Director and the Board to take prior permission from all the shareholders of the Company for every decision they take. Is that practical?

    Let me give you an example – the decision to release terrorists and Jaswant Singh to accompany them was also an executive decision (right or wrong) by the Vajpayee’s cabinet – leave aside the consequences. Going by your logic – why was it not discussed in the parliament and a vote taken? It was after all a question of national security and lives of x number of people. Was the parliament stalled when it met again to protest this decision? No.

    The point is the opposition has taken upon themselves to force the agenda of the parliament – disrupting question hour, etc. If they wish to discuss anything they should give a notice to the speaker. Today it looked like the biggest calamity (FDI in retail) had fallen on this country, so all other matters needed to be set aside, as if the FDI in retail will start flowing within next 24 hours of the decision and needs to stopped. As I said there are far more crucial bills about 30 pending to be debated and passed and that can only happen if the parliament functions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If the govt. was so serious about all those 30 bills that you are crying about, they should have brought them in parliament first rather than bringing up the FDI in retail issue at the behest of Sonia or her son-in law.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here we go again. Now, we have to say in your case too – you do not read, because you cannot read. Please re-read my post above.

    Let me repeat.
    It is an executive decision, which the Government of India has the authority to do so by virtue of its majority in the Parliament.

    Please take time to read some text on civics, constitution and government administration and democracy, perhaps it will clear many cobwebs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even if it it is an “Executive Decision” starring Kurt Russell and Steven Seagal, the govt. should have waited a while before it announced it – if the intent was to ensure the passage of 30 bills.

    Was it not aware that there would be a big opposition to it. At least they should have consulted their own partymen if not the allies and the opposition.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If they do not take a decision – you have a problem, if they do, you still have a problem.

    Out 200 odd Congress MPs, surely some would oppose it, the majority view held and the announcement was made. Do you have a problem? It is their problem to take their own doubting thomases on board, why are you worried? Let them deal with the own internal problem and you do not take that as a reason for your opposition.

  • Anonymous

    “Like any new idea, FDI in retail must’s be rejected out of hand.”

    Vinodji, what do you mean by this?

    Do you conclude that the idea is not worth trying out anywhere and must be rejected out of hand?

    If Indian business entrepreneurs want to set up shop in China, will they be allowed to bring their entire ware from India? If not why should India try to be obsequious to the interests of these modern day East India companies?

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WRRXAOS6PYEZQPFJ3D5UAMQYAE Krish

    All new ideas are always rejected in Modern India. That’s is why in last 63 years of independence we have produced zero.
    In independent India people have to leave India to try new ideas.

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  • Anonymous

    without comment:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Nice one. Now I will go home with a smile on my face.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    There’s something known as logistics and supply chain which in our country is non-existent almost. A chain of Cold stores, freezers, freezer trucks and the like are to be built and bought for our agri produce. FDI would also bring in a spurt in agro industries. For example, Al Kabeer (a Madu company for the uninitiated) based in Dubai that produces a variety of frozen agroind products that are marketed in the M.E. as they are produced in Dubai – and the same are not available in India! We lack infra-structure for all the MNCs, who must first invest in creating a supply-chain in our country for their products to end up on the store’s shelves. Small-time stores are not at all going to close down – we have a huge population and the majority goes to the neighbourhood store for its immediate needs. In fact, the advent of MNCs in our market would force the govt to improve storage of food grains that presently rot in our open-air stores! As far as middle-men are concerned, I have full faith in their Jugaadu nature – they would find innovative ways of getting business even with MNCs around!
    Old order changeth, yielding place to new – the younger generation of the mom and pop store owners are already averse to continue presiding over the Gaddi and run the business. B-grade cities, small towns, districts and villages all have a thriving small store Kirana business, which is not going to be affected in the coming 50 years come what may.
    However, what remains to be seen is, who is twisting whose arms at this moment that had forced the Cabinet to decide in favour of 51% FDI in retail? The EU, the Yankees, the WTO or the IMF? Whatever, change in the retail is inevitable – like the change in IT and auto industries. and both these industries helped our economy – so will the advent of MNCs in retail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So, we need a Walmart here to improve the supply-chain?

    Probaly we also need them to:
    a) solve our farmer’s plight and
    b) bring down the inflation

    Big retail stores don’t care about either. They only need the BIG Indian retail market as their home country is already saturated with their stores which are flooding wit cheap Chinese goods.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    The good thing about Chinese goods is that they lose their appeal in a very short time. Consumers go back to quality products once they have experienced the Chinese ones. And Chinese goods are already in our market – you can buy Chinese make furniture in Chennai being on the streets, in the open! MNCs would open up job avenues, improve quality of products, bring in innovative marketing ways, advance technology and more competition that would eventually drive down prices, hopefully. Nobody is worried about inflation – if you want to buy something, you will go for it – variety of products would afford you the opportunity to chose the one for your pocket.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What kind of jobs these big retail chains offer? Are we so desparate to get them? Why do we need them in the first place? Is there something you can’t get here that you need a Walmart to source it for you? Their focus is – always low price -never quality. They are the biggest importers of Chinese goods – even bigger than a few developed countries put together.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just because you have a job or run your own business, it is really dismissive of you to question – whether the rest are desperate to get jobs. If you do not know – yes a very large section of the people are desperate.

    What kinds of jobs(direct and indirect) these retail chains offer?
    I suggest you
    1) Google and read about the jobs they create
    2) can talk to someone you may know say in Reliance stores or Birla’s More Stores or some other domestic retail chain.
    3) read relevant books on Business Management.
    4) visit the career section of the websites of these big chains.

    If these chains bring in low priced low quality Chinese or any other goods, let them. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy them and they (chains) would be really stupid to bring in goods which people do not want.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, the focus now shifts to employment. Why don’t you confess that the inefficient Congress govt. has completely failed in providing even the absolute low-skill/no-skill jobs (that the big retail houses would offer) to this country and hence have now chosen to outsource this to a certain Mr Sam Walton.

    Anonymous Reply:

    First of all this is not a party issue.
    Check out Gujarat for instance.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/unemployment-continues-its-upward-spiral-in/757703/

    We as a nation have not been able to create enough jobs, so if Mr. Walton comes along, do you have problem? What about foreign car manufacturers setting plants in Gujarat – has Modi failed to create enough jobs? Yes, he has. So he has done a wise thing in enabling them to set up shop there. In this case, I suppose. you will not have a problem, because Modi does not belong to the Congress Party. I suggest you stop looking at issues in a partisan manner.

    Second, first check out what type of jobs these chains will create – you cannot do that in 12 minutes after I suggested sources to check.

    You can also check out sectors (automobiles for instance) where FDI is allowed – how many jobs (skilled and managerial) are held by foreigners and how many by Indians. You will be surprised.

    If you do not know and it looks like it, low skills and no-skills jobs are as essential to the economy as skilled jobs. Perhaps you will not realize this, because in your office and environment the peons, sweepers, drivers, etc. must be MBAs from the IIMs and Harvard. Also perhaps the domestic servant in your household must be a post graduate Housekeeping.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh yes, it is not a party issue.

    Manohar, I expected better from you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Expected better what?

  • Ravi

    While I was reading the news about FDI, I came across the following comment posted by an inspired guy.

    I pay compliment to him, by re posting his comment here, where the audience is probably a bit more decerning.


    the fartriotic hindutva party will do anything to oppose the govt….all i can see from the fartriotic internet hindus is :” something fishy, swiss banks, antionia, raul ” and the usual hindutvavadi bullsh1t…………………really, the fartiots from the r ar$e ar$e deserve to be f@rted on their faces……….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This same “patriotic and ultra-nationalist” party had FDI in retail as a part of their 2004 India Shining manifesto. Hypocrisy, anyone?

    Check out

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-hard-sell/881190/

    Excerpt

    However, the principal opposition party, one ostensibly committed to reform (unlike the other FDI opponents), has mutinously refused to engage, and chosen petty interest-group politics over an open-minded debate on the consequences of this decision. The BJP has subordinated considerations of national gain to the question of its own political gain — specifically, how it stands to benefit by misrepresenting the issue as one between global behemoths and small, embattled businesses.

    The BJP might imagine that it stands to lose among small traders if it does not make loud protective noises about their interests. Or it might want to seize every chance to attack the government, no matter how flimsy. But this stand reveals its confusion and broken principles, its tendency to opt for narrow tactics rather than operate from larger conceptions of the common good. Its inability to outline a consistent economic agenda that rivals the government’s, and back up its claims, is what makes the party’s stand appear so curmudgeonly now. While its own chief ministers, far more attuned to ground realities, have been taking bold, reformist steps in their own regions, the party’s central leaders are undercutting those principles, busying themselves with power games and, in the process, diluting the BJP’s once-cogent political and economic philosophy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Spreading lies!!

    Not unexpected from you. Show me a reliable source which says that in 2004, BJP was in favour of 51% FDI in multibrand retails that the govt. has proposed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    Manohar is a biased Congressi who doesn’t like any dissent on the topic initiated by Congress. He has consistently supported Congressi corruption by citing BJP’s pocket change corruption. These Congressis thrive on lies and propaganda…and this is the reason you see Manohar in the company of nuts Ravi and Engrich.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is what was I told. OK. I checked again myself. It was not part of it. My apologies. I will edit my the post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar was suppose to edit his post 40 minutes back..Now he has lost face, he may be frantically searching for something that can prove him correct.

    Every Congressi is Digvijay..They are all zombies in control of Congress-Mata Sonia and her family.

  • Anonymous

    This is what Pranab thought about FDI in retail just a few months back.

    http://khabar.ibnlive.com/news/63244/12/4

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    The decision was probably taken during Sonia’s last visit to the US in the garb of sickness. Looking at the size of India’s retail market, the rake-off must have been too huge for her to refuse.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    Let us not get into this conspiracy theories but I do understand the reason behind your thinking. There is so much secrecy around Sonia and her past that people tend to see all her actions as suspicious. There was an RTI application to find out about Sonia’s foreign visits in past few years and surprisingly Govt. confirmed that it had no clue. The UPA govt. has no clue where their leader has been, raises more suspicion.

    However things are governed by law and law needs proof which is either non-existent or suppressed.

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  • Anonymous

    The real reason behind introducing ‘FDI in retail’ bill by Congress is to divert attention away from Lokpal and anti-corruption movement. The Congress party is master of manipulation and knows every trick in the book to divert minds of Indians from real issues. They could have introduced ‘FDI in retail’ bill after Lokpal Bill but they want parliament not to function so that they can blame others for Lokpal Bill fiasco.

    I am sure the next diversionary tactic by Congress will be to introduce ‘Communal violence Bill’. This bill will effectively divide opposition and put Lokpal bill in background.

    The sad part is that Congressi supporters knowing fully well what Congress is doing, pretend to be all innocent..Becharo ko kuch Maloom nahi…

    They tend to support everything coming from Congress as Hindutva supporters do in case of BJP. Where is independent thinking?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Couldn’t agree anymore with you.

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  • Anonymous

    As far as ‘FDI in retail’ is concerned, it will have major impact on job market, manufacturing and agriculture sector. This is not a simple issue as congressis will like us to believe. It has its advantages and also disadvantages. These should be debated at length keeping in mind India’s large labor force and condition of agriculture and manufacturing sector. The ‘FDI in Retail’ is going to be new Sector on par with Telecom sector revolutionizing Indian society but it could also spell disaster it is allowed without proper debate.

    I think ‘FDI in retail’ can be allowed only in mega-cities (2.5 million plus) provided it doesn’t harm our workers and farmers. The 90% of agricultural produce sold in these stores should be Indian and 75% of manufactured goods made in India. This is the only way it can help both ways else India will be another US where people crib about losing jobs without realising they themselves are to blame for that.

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  • Anonymous

    I think current retail market employs people in millions. My guesstimate is directly 40 million and indirectly another 40-60 million people. Can big retail companies absorb this workforce? Let us not forget the Labor in India is surplus and very cheap compared to US. Do we need Big Retail Business Model in India as our conditions are very different to those of west?

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  • Anonymous

    FANTASTIC BLOG, RAVI pl you do not bring in hindutva bashing, as vinoo said in last blog you are now becoming tiresome. Let us discuss burning topic. Now.
    At many stages in my life I learned to say, I WAS WRONG, or I DID NOT KNOW THIS.
    Life taught me, India taught me, world taught me. eg I wanted to open up markets slowly in 1990, but MMS supersikh and PV N Rao said, total liberalisation was way forward. And Gurcharan Das economist wrote in India Unbound that Indians thundered up to challenge and kicked ***.
    So, I was wrong and I learnt. Same with IT wealth, wah ji, what a revolution.
    Now retail, my gut feeling is, our govt ministers like PC, Pranabda, Sonia,Sibal etc must have thought hard and consulted Montek etc, and nice industrialists like Tata and Premji, and Moorthy, and only then gone ahead. It seems right to me.
    Pl can ppl make relevant cuntributions now, yr turn, no wild theories like kickbacks Ishwar please

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    Ravi Reply:

    Once again Balwinder you did not read what I posted.

    It was some one elses quote…much funnier than you ever are.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I think we should not allow trolls to hijack this discussion with their jehadi agenda…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    trolls of the congressie variety and jihadis of the fake Ravi variety should be kept out of FDI in retail trade. They can invest the ISI funds in retail terror like killing cycle rickshaw drivers etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi puttar dont quote words like =fartriotic= raise yr standard, this is gentleman blog. And too much repetitive hindutwa bashing gets boring. Saadi gal maan.
    Now pl I request stars like Ashish, Gopi, Mishraji, Shoeb, Vijay, Rajiiv, Shenoy, to come on stage and make brief RELEVANT, CHALLENGING cuntributions.
    ravi pl you take ringside seat for now. Listen for change

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    FDI IS A CRUEL JOKE ON 77% INDIANS WHO CANNOT SPEND RS.20 PER DAY AS PER ARJUN SENGUPA COMMITTEE REPORT.( MR.VINOD SHARMA ,PL CONTRADICT ,IF WRONG.) THE KIND OF GOVERNANCE AVAILABLE UNDER NOMINATED BAREBABU MMSINGH,WHO CANCELS HIS PROGRAMME OF INAUGRATING BUDDHIST MEET IN DELHI AS DALAI LAMA WILL BE THERE,IN ORDER TO APPEASE CHINESE, ALL WALL MART NEEDS ENTRY. ARTICLES IN FAVOUR OF WALLMART WILL BE AVAILABLE DIME A DOZEN.
    PM WHO HEADS PLANNING AND COMMISSION IS DOING HIS DUTY AS ORDERED.
    INDIANS DONOT MATTER TO HIM. WHAT HAPPENED IN MANIPUR IS NOT HIS CONCERN.
    VINOD SHARMA SHOULD ADVOCATE FDI IN NEWSPAPER OR MEDIA INDUSTRY ,SO THAT BETTER AUTHORS BECOME AVAILABLE TO THE NATION.

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  • Anonymous

    @Vinod Shama , spare me my arrogance , I do know a tad more than the average indian about MASS RETAILING.First of all the fear about KIRANA shops withering away is UTTER BOLLOCKS. In gravesend where I live , there is a TESCO five minutes walk , a MASSIVE WAL MART(in uk known as ASDA) 6 minutes walk , a SAINSBURY 10 minute drive , a MORRISON 8 minute drive . YET THERE IS KIRANA SHOP BY THE NAME OF” COSTCUTTER” run by Mr Randhawa , and two in the Arthur street both run by sardarjis and one run by a srilankan tamil.
    NOW FOR THE EAST DELHI CITIZEN TO MULL OVER WHAT THESE SUPERMARKETS OFFER , that i have been harping all along

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The reason the Akali Dal government in Punjab has welcomed the move because of the past experience with companies like Pepsi, who tied up with the farmers in Punjab and elsewhere for products that go into their packaged foods and snacks. The farmers deliver quality raw materials and get handsome prices in return. The scale of their business lets Pepsi sell their products at a very competitive rates. Who loses out? None to my mind. Even domestic companies are replicating the model – ITC for example.

    The other political parties are playing politics to score brownie points.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the rosy picture. Now for the inconvenient truth.

    (a) In USA today farmers cannot sell raw milk directly to customers. If they try, FDA guys will put them behind bars. Feel free to google and check the news on this. Why so? Because the companies have managed to put their guys in high ranking places in FDA. These people then shape FDA policies in favour of the companies.

    (b) In USA again, the farmers who produce livestock for the purpose of ending as hamburgers etc are practically the slaves of the big companies. They can put you out of business by not buying your stuff, and you can’t sell anywhere else. Also feel free to check on how horrible the condition of the hens etc are. The hens are so obese, they can barely move.

    (c) Walmart is well known for its aggressive tactics in negotiating tactis with suppliers. Walmart is so big, no one can afford not to be in walmart. Therefore walmart is able to squeeze farmers for better prices.

    (d) Now, with appropriate laws and checks we can prevent (a) to (c) from happening, but if these companies could buy the US officials, what chance do the indians have, being already corrupt? FDI in retail can be good, but ONLY if the government allows a level playing field, which it is not.

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  • Anonymous

    Peopel who tout parliamentary process are finding fault with the parliamentary process (Manohar, no pun intended).. And as usual we have a few who want to bring Hinduta in the argument.

    I agree with Vinod that a willing state (preferably Congress ruling such as AP) be coopted to pilot.

    Rajiv has a good point – the jobs lost by mom and pops shops will be more than the employment provided by the Walmarts. However, the price should be lower..

    Instead of the preference to retail sector, I think we should have given first preference/priority to agriculture sector . We should have a network of storage and distribution centres – a project similar to the Quadrilateral

    H

    ighway project we undertook under the BJP admin. Thi will also partially address the food security issue. So much food is wasted now because there is no refrigeration, distribution capacities. This would have ensured an all India market for vegetables, fruits, flowers, grains, fish etc.. resulting in reduced price, reduced inflation. The success here would have easily opened up the avenues for retail and other sectors.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    All that the Government has done is to allow 51% FDI in retail (there is no such thing as a free lunch). Each individual state is free to disallow these international chains (independently or with local partners) setting shop in the state.

    The opposition is a pure politics. We can ignore tantrum throwers like the three empresses – Mamta, Maya and Jaya and the regional outfits. The point being made is that BJP being a national party and aspiring to be in power at the centre has also gone berserk like they did during the Nuclear debate (oppose for the sake of opposing), when in theory they too are for real liberalization.

    The country needs more money (forget the colour) and to build infrastructure to avoid food wastage on account proper storage, transportation and distribution system.

    Opposing for the sake of opposing has become the norm. Take the case of setting up of Nuclear power plants to overcome the grave shortage in the sector. Parties in Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and elsewhere are opposing them. Current shortage – 20,000+ MW

    Where and how do you generate power
    - coal based? too polluting,
    - hydro-based? how many can you build on a single river in the mountains?
    - solar and wind power (though that is the future) – currently too expensive.

    See the irony – political parties promise free electricity as part of their election manifesto. For example – Jaya promised free laptops to students and Karunanidhi earlier free TVs. On what do they run on – Gobar gas? Or they meant only for the well do sections in urban centres where there is less shortage of power. What about students in rural areas – don’t they have the right and are more deserving?

    Without enough power – how do we progress and build infrastructure?

    I agree – Quadrilateral Highway Project launched during Vajpayee’s tenure was a good move,in spite of constraints and hick-ups. It set the tempo for better multi-lane roads all across the country.

    Let us see how things pan out today.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    this government, which is touting the virtues of FDI in retail, has been allowing rotting of millions of tons of food grains due to improper storing and distribution, which has nothing to do with FDI.

    When mom&pop stores close down, they not only render the workers jobless, mom and pop too go bankrupt.

    Lakhs of farmers have committed suicides, not because there was no FDI in the farm sector, but because the government had ignored the problems faced by the sector.

    Moreover, why allow 51% FDI while in certain sectors like the media, the government and the media are not at all willing to allow any foreign investment?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    DOWNRIGHT STUPID ARGUMENT, India Govt did not build the small component manufacturers first to ATTRACT THE CAR MANUFACTURERS.
    Similarly the supply chain all over the world will set up loint venture in India just like they did in Car Manufacturing.

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  • Anonymous

    I support FDI in retail. Let the market pick the winners. Just as there will be some losers there will also be some winners. That happens everyday in the market place. The goal is what’s best for the consumer ? Let the consumer decide.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Except that this is not about the market at all. This is about the livelihood of the people who don’t have the money to bribe politicians.

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  • http://twitter.com/gurpreetsays Gurpreet Singh

    What is the need of trying out something when this model is proven? Secondly, even if you try this out in Punjab, there is no definition of success and political parties can still disagree and say no to FDI in their respective states. The simple answer is that those who want to oppose may keep opposing and not allow in their respective states, while those who believe shall allow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A very sensible suggestion. It would also help, in this age of information explosion, if the experience of other economies, similar to India were brought to the knowledge of the people, so that an unbiased opinion can be formed.

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  • Anonymous

    Currently India needs huge foreign investment in-
    1. Power
    2. Infrastructure
    3. Water Supply and distribution
    4. Agriculture sector

    Retail should be far lower in the priority list.

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  • Anonymous

    You are bang on target.

    Punjab is one of the smallest states of India representing 1.6 per cent of its geographical area and 2.6 per cent of it’s cropped area. Agriculture occupies the most prominent place in Punjab’s economy. About 70 per cent of the people are engaged in agriculture. As against an all India average of 51 per cent, it has 85 per cent of its area under cultivation. the state on an average, account for 23% of Wheat , 14 % of cotton and 10% of rice production of the whole country.

    I am not even talking about the industries in and around Ludhiana and other areas.

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  • Anonymous

    @Trap daar, You are locked in a trapdoor. I again reiterate I HAVE HAD FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE with farmers in Isle of Wight. THE REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY STRINGENT. The farmer I was putting up with had all his CARROTS rejected , as it did not meet the approved standard for supermarket. These carrots do find their way into the “KIRANA” shops of UK.As to animal welfare YOU NEED NOT WORRY , THERE IS MANEKA GANDHI TO TAKE CARE OF THAT , IN UK THAT JOB IS DONE BY RSPCA.
    Regarding not being able to sell RAW milk , I fully approve , THESE ARE NOT THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. Industrial scale farming has its problem.
    Crohn’s Disease virtually unknown in India is thought to be (one of the theories) due to bovine TB. This one is not killed by pasteurisation , needs ULTRAFILTRATION . Then I would happily accept 0.1% incidence of Crohn’s Disease for the SEA OF MILK produced by industrial scale farming.
    FINDING FAULT WITH WEST A FAVOURITE PASTTIME OF UNPATRIOTIC INDIANS , WHO WILL TAKE THE FIRST FLIGHT TO WEST IF GIVEN THE CHANCE.
    jUST APPLY COMMON SENSE , if supermarkets are good for the WEST , it ought to be good for INDIA.
    Also this mass retailing is not so pronounced in AUSTRIA , thus food prices ARE MUCH MUCH HIGHER THAN UK(personal observation)

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  • Anonymous

    @pralhad_k , Brilliantly put BUT YOU CANNOT WAKE A PERSON PRETENDING TO BE ASLEEP

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ WHY WAS FDI FOR RETAIL PUSHED NOW ?????????? ~~~~~~
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    Knowing a bit about real estate in and around the NCR, here are some unpalatable facts.

    a) FDI for retail should not be a priorty as this will lead lead to massive unemployment as most fo the shopkeepers are self employed. Unlike the west, India is not a serviceman’s market. The majority are self employed, Small shops and roadside stores etc.

    Instead Indian retailing chains could have been allowed to collaborate with foreign giants with the majority stake being with Indian companies.

    Many malls have failed becasue the shops were not attreactive enough. One Wal mart will kill a lot of other malls as well as the smaller shopkeepers. SO to balance out the need for classy retailing and growth, this could all have been done in phases with joint ventures.

    b) The biggest gainers will be builders. WHY??? Becasue foreign companies are NOT ALLOWED to buy real estate here, but take it on lease. A typical lease will be in crores per month for a full mall.

    c) Now there are many many politicians and their sons and son in laws who own these maega malls or want to have malls which they can give on lease. EVEN the Saint VP SIngh’s son owns malls in Lucknow…. :)

    d) Builders like DLF etc who are huge can certainly benefit in crores and crores.

    NOW IS THERE SOME SON OR SON IN LAW WHO PUSHED THIS CASE FOR FDI FOR RETAIL ??? :) :) :) !!!

    After all we keep hearing of a disco dancer with a link with India’s biggest builder….
    Vinodji I would luv the answer…..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    You may be right; the timing looks suspect; with all the anti-corruption noise, the politicians must have co nsidered this a safe avenue to collect crores in leases since foreign firms cannot own land.
    while this is not a prioritty, foreign investment should be welcomed; hopefully domestic investment/capital can move to higher priority items, such as agriculture/grain -food distribution.
    FCI during the last three years procured 60 MM metric tonnes of grain; however their network of 1820 warehouses could store only 30.5MM tonnes. To store the surplus theyd evised ‘Cover and Plinth”, basically leave in the open covered with polythene covers. As you all know, grains rotted while many in the country did not have enough to eat. Then the supreme court intervention et al…
    The mechanics to acquire and release food is highly debated. The financial slicing and dicing technocrats consider relyiong on swaps and futures/international markets; that storing does not make sense since tomorrow’s value is unknown. Shrimathi Kavitha Karugandi, Trustee of Kheti Virasat Mission, an organization helping farmers of Haryana and punjab cope up with the intensive agricultural models of excessive cultivation, presented to world forums a different model of decentralized production/distribution that has been getting critical attention.

    I agree with many here that let a willing state implement the new retail model. Looks like there are no takers even within Congress govts.

    Personally I am disappointed Jaya is against this (she and Karunaidhi are against; they know where te votes come from!)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shoeb

    I would welcome the foreign investment… but let it come with riders. And a phased way of coming in.

    I would hate it.. in case it leads to genetically modified food being forced down the farmers neck.

    I am quiter sure that the lease money from rentals has been one of the reasons why this policy is being pushed in a covert way.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shoeb

    I would be worried that this important policy was pushed surreptatiously.

    As Indians we love to debate endlessly. SO this should have been sent to the Parliament and views of all parties incorported.

    As you has pointed out… the lust for lease rentals could have motivated politicians.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is unseemly haste and unexplained eagerness to push the 51% FDI in our retail business.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Let us also suggest Vinod ji to talk about 51% stake for foreign newspapers…

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @vijay_kumar
    The newspapers are asking for it, the government isn’t agreeing. By putting the question you have only showed your ignorance about the issue.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “I would welcome the foreign investment… but let it come with riders”.

    If there are too many riders, they may not be interested – they will not come here for charity or as a goodwill gesture.
    They too would wish to make their profits, just like any other business house. Free market economy and competition thereof will decide how much ‘moolah’ they can rake it in.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If there are too many riders, they may not be interested – they will not come here for charity or as a goodwill gesture.

    Exactly!!

    Let the PM say so as he puts his foot down in support of Walmart. Let him say that we are welcoming them here because they need us and not vice versa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha, ha.

    Do haathon se taali bajti hai.

    Unless you are an expert in clapping with only one hand. Would love to see how you do it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    They will come in anyway. The size of the market will drive them in. I am talking about a situation where they are asked to export an equal amount as the prfoits they take from retailing…

    Anonymous Reply:

    We tried that during the socialist era until the 80s and it did not work. If they come and bring in capital from home – they expect to make a profit and take it home,

    Would you agree to a similar arrangement (restriction) for any venture your company may set in another country?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @shoebk, all that you have written about STORAGE applies to a THIRD WORLD country called India, GRAINS ARE STORED IN GIANT SILOS IN UK, also FOOD PROCESSING takes care of lot of storage, like frozen vegetables, potato powder that can be reconstituted into mash with water.
    Lot of BUTTER IS STORED in disused MINES.
    The fundamental thing about supermarkets is ECONOMY OF SCALE.
    adidas IS TRYING A BUSINESS MODEL ONE DOLLAR trainers for INDIA’S RURAL MARKET TO WEAN THEM OFF THE HAWAI SANDALS
    Again they are RELYING ON VOLUME

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Trying to apply business principles of first world economies to third world countries with huge populations like India, West Bengal etc(?) is utter stupidity only Shanfingerintheass fake doctor can propose.

    You should confine yourself to compundary and and cleaning operation tables etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right – FDI in retail should not be a priority. The question is who has made it a priority? The opposition parties, so much so that they have stalled parliament (pushing all other more important bills in the background) with the argument that heavens will fall if the policy is not rolled back. 30 other more important pieces of legislation have been sidelined, including the mother of all bills – the Lokpal bill..

    It is case of – if the government does not take a decision it is damned, if it does it is damned.

    There is no evidence that small shopkeepers have shut shop since the advent of hyper/super markets and malls (all domestic), because most people still buy a large range perishable items like milk, eggs, bread, etc. from the neighbourhood shops.

    If certain malls and certain chains like Subiksha and Vishal failed (without foreign competition) has more to do with their business models rather than anything else. For new (read foreign) chains to set up shops in fully developed areas like the Defence Colony or Colaba or New Alipore will not make business sense, given the cost of real estate. And they are not stupid, in spite of the fact that they have deep pockets.

    If the builders benefit so what? Do we have an aversion towards the builders (Indian companies)?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Maybe u should check out some son in laws who are partnering with Builders…

    They are probably making this a priority.

    As far as builderrs go I luv them… becuase I am also one… though a very tiny one.. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is your discomfort because the son-in-law did not partner you? Perhaps, you should find some other son-in-law, then you can laugh all the way to the malls first, then the bank. ;-)

    If you think this was not a priority, then please tell me how long the government should have waited before making the announcement?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    disco dancers are greatly respected in congress culture, because they are very close to bar girls……………….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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  • Anonymous

    Praveen Saxenaji, Rajeev, Rajiv, Gopi, Gurpreet, Trapdaar and also Prahlad,

    a very informative, unbiased article in the Indian Express with practical proposals to “solve” the problem:
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/muddling-through-retail-reform/881591/0

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  • Anonymous

    A certain builder has posted some nonsense , which is essentiallt a reflection of his ROTE LEARNING in school and college. SUPERMARKETS of the scale of west cannot be built near the residential area , PLANNING PERMISSION PROHIBITS IT also it NEEDS MASSIVE SPACE FOR THE GIANT ARTICULATED LORRIES TO GET IN AND OUT.
    Most of them will be out of the residential areas, SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF SCOPE FOR KIRANAS.
    By this PORKY logic . we shouldn’t have had TELEVISION , for it killed off our RADIO MANUFACTURING , or should have stopped SONY AND SAMSUNG so that BPL and ONEIDA can prosper.
    The bottom line is ECONOMY OF SCALE , this is the NAME OF THE GAME , which a structural engineer will find impossible to fathom

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By your logic, you should have not been born.

    A blue eyed whiteman’s sperm should have been used to seed women… :) :)

    HA HAHAHA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By your logic you should not be blogging , for MG Road is waiting for you

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  • Anonymous

    Retail debate, WHO STANDS WHERE

    For foreign investment= Sir Sardar Balwinder from Hayes (with caution), Manohar, Prahlad, Rajiiv
    Against= Gopi, Vijay, Shenoy, RajeevS, Praveen Saxena, Vijay, Ishwar
    Ambivalent= Gurpreet (puttar, not allowed, Sikhs think clearly one way or another)

    Good I am happy, good minds all, voting independenly or maybe some still pushing pro Congress or anti Sonia anti Congress line.
    SHOEB, DR SHAH, DR MISHRA , DR PANKAJ, pl u come online and vote/ debate

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr donkey cingulate Shan, no need to get orgiastic about”look at me, I am from UK, listen to wot I say”. You dummy, u forgot to say most imp thing, IN UK IF PAPA/MUMMY STORE PPL LOSE JOBS, THERE IS MASSIVE BENEFITS,a heated flat, education for kids, unlimited healthcare and food on table.
    You moron, shan, in India ppl wud commit suicide if they loose livelihood. Dunce arrogant

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    Good observation

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji, Vijay Kumar,

    Yes, it is a good observation and an important one. Sociual security is totally lacking for 90% of Indians and as I had noted earlier, if a papa mom outselt shuts shop, the owners would go bankrupt and there is no dole like our resident jihadis here enjoy in England.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As somebody aptly remarked about you “YOU DO NOT READ BECAUSE YOU CANNOT READ”, stick to your livelihood KABUTERBAJI

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    Anonymous Reply:

    India is going the same way on Social Security – slowly but surely.

    There is the Food Security Bill to be tabled, debated and passed, if the parliament is allowed to function. More such bills will come in due course of time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Social security for Indians can wait.

    Let the FDI in retail come in first!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is no such thing as queue system.

    To have total social security for 120 crore population will certainly take time, unless you have a magic wand (I know who you have in mind, but it is not going to happen).

    With investments in other sectors (retail for example) is also way of having social security – more jobs (isn’t job a security in your lexicon?).

    In that case, you can argue no airlines, no rajdhani/shatabdi express trains, no cars, no malls and many other things, unless total food security system is in place.

    Who made FDI retail first? The opposition parties, as I have argued elsewhere on this blog.

    Wah!

    Anonymous Reply:

    The point is which issue should get the priority.

    And opposition parties only proposed 26% FDI in retail and not 51% as the present dispensation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually, I was waiting as to when you would raise this question 26% vs 51%? You finally did.

    What is so holy about 26% and what is so evil about 51%? Does it depend on who is proposing the limit?

    Present dispensation can have its way, because it has the majority in the parliament. The opposition is no holy cow that its mewing is the final word.

    I suppose you will have double objections to 100% FDI in power, pharmaceutical sectors and roads, highways, ports & harbours.

    There are other sectors where the investment limits are 49%. Do you problem with that too?

    We do not have enough funds, so FDI in all sectors (including retail) are sought to be allowed and welcomed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Le there be 100% FDI in all other sectors you mentioned above – except retail – the reasons are too well known to you.

    Let the Indians take care of themselves here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, I do not know the reasons as to why you are opposed to it or I am not convinced as to whatever you may have put forward. I can only guess one real reason, but will not articulate it.

    What is so goddam holy about retail that there cannot be no FDI in it? Will its sanctity be violated if it is touched “phoren dirty” money? Why the discriminatory attitude towards it?

    Do you by any chance happen to own any super market chain and felling threatened? Just wondering.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If I was the owner of a super-market chain, I would be celebrating the decision. After all, Walmart would need a partner like me to set up its business.

    If you don’t trust me, just watch the graph of share prices of Pantaloon Retail (and others in same business) after the cabinet’s decision and opposition that followed!!

    BTW, I am happy that you know the REAL reason.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How sad? That you cannot celebrate and another reason for your opposition to it. You do not own a super market chain.

    What is so holy about Pantaloon and Bi Bazaar that their price movement on the share market is an indicator whether to allow FDI in retail. Go on and give more reasons for your opposition.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I am not against it . Just want it phased over a period of 10 years. With the following assurances

    a) Genetically modified food will NOT be pushed thru these marts

    b) at least 70% goods will have Indian content

    c) Sale prices would be directly linked to the prices paid to the farmers…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    a) Frankly I do not have any in-depth knowledge about genetically modified foods – hence I will not comment about it.

    b) 70% Indian content. Of course, it will be so or even more. Would it make business sense for them to import potatoes from USA or Russia, try and sell them at Rs 100 per kg, when the local produce is available at Rs 10 to 15 per kg?

    c) That is not valid. The prices of goods (food items) will be what the competition offers. With the advent Walmart. Tesco and Carrrefour, our existing local chains will also be in business, so they cannot overcharge and undercharge.

    What is so magic about 10 years. Why not 10 months? Doesn’t the country needs to grow at a faster rate or are you happy with 3%-4% historical Hindu Rate of growth until 80s.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    a) Not surprising

    b) Walmart would not be coming here to sell only potatoes. They need our market for their cheap imports from China.

    c) There you go. The GoI argues that the big superstores would benefit the farmers. So, why are you opposed to the idea of linking the retail price to the procurement price from the farmers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “a) Not surprising”

    I get it – you just scored a brownie point against me – given our exchange over the last 24 hours.

    Anyone who says he knows everything about every subject or matter under the sun, must surely rank as the number one fool. You may not give me credit for admitting that my knowledge on this is very limited. You may be different -perhaps you know everything about every subject in the universe. If so, congratulations.

    b) “Walmart to sell cheap Chinese goods and not potatoes’.

    I did not ‘know’ (see how ignorant I am) and you ‘know’ that the Walmart is a Chinese owned company and only sells goods from there and cheap ones at that. Congratulations once again.

    c) “There you go. ……….”

    Are you not contradicting yourself vis-a-vis point (b)?

    I did not know that Indian farmers would make cheap Chinese goods (instead of growing potatoes) and sell them to Walmart. You said above that they are not going to sell potatoes.

    Over to you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The fact is Walmart is one of the biggest importers of Chinese goods and it needs our big middle class consumer market. Where is the contradiction?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps yes in the USA. Not necessarily it will be so in India. Our own goods are also inexpensive, so it does not make sense for these chains to get Chinese goods into India. They are already being imported in spite of they being not here.

    The contradiction is in your statements in (b) and (c). Not here to sell potatoes and then link retail price to procurement price. For what? As you say they will be not selling our agriculture produce.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I note with approval your conscious decision to leave out the jihadi and his side kick, the gangrene engrich from the list. I read your earlier “advice” to the jihadi to lay off this discussion as it pertains to only India.

    You have done us proud as a concerned Indian.

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  • Anonymous

    The fast uniting opposition is not on firm ground either. Till 2004, the BJP saw merit in permitting FDI in retail and had even included it in the “India Shining” manifesto. Its change of heart took place only when it vacated the Treasury benches. Its concern about the viability of operations of the eight million-odd “kirana” shopkeepers, many of whom

    reportedly tend to be its political supporters, may be genuine, but is more in nature of an apprehension than based on well-founded empirical facts. The modern large-store format of retailing run by domestic giants has been around in India for about 15 years. Its effects on the mom-and-pop stores that dot the Indian retail landscape has been to make them more nimble in operations and creative in customer service. Almost all have managed to survive the competition, with the consumer being the ultimate beneficiary.

    NOT MY WORDS BUT FROM THE INDIAN EXPRESS ARTICLE KINDLY PROVIDED BY AN EX BANK MANAGER FROM KONKAN

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Earlier too, the BJP changed its stand on the Nuclear Deal, initiated by it in the first place, when it was made to sit on the opposition benches.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP didn’t change its stand on the nuclear deal. In fact, it made sure that there were enough safeguards for the victims in case of a disaster. before it supported the civil nuclear liability bill in the parliament.

    Left to the Congressis, the country was sure going to be short-changed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It certainly did just to score brownie points, as some of its leaders admitted to the US officials – Wikileaks cables indicated. They also certainly voted against the deal. Check the voting numbers.

    “Left to the Congressis, the country was sure going to be short-changed”. That is your view and I have no problem with it.

    If you put too many riders – most of them would not be interested. There is no such thing as a free lunch or free power.

  • Anonymous

    WHY INDIA 2015 NEEDS SUPERMARKETS.
    My recent trip to calcutta revealed to me few extraordinary changes. CAR USAGE HAS ASTRONOMICALLY EXPANDED. Lot of NEW TOWNSHIPS like RAJARHAT is full of HIGH RISE and is essentially OUT OF THE CITY CENTRE. where the BPO’s and IT cos are located. For these people (who will multiply in crores in coming years) supermarket shopping is the only way to get all they need AND THEN RETREAT INTO THEIR HIGH RISES , where there are no kiranas as land prices have kept them away.

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  • Anonymous

    As you all must have read, the Prime Minister has put is foot down – no roll back. Now let us see what the opposition will do – the ball is in their court.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thankfully, even the UPA allies, some of the Congress MPs and a state PCC are not with the Prime Minister on this issue.

    By the way, if thats the govt. decision, what was the purpose of the all party meet? Have a friendly chit-chat over tea and biscuits.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The basic point is that the Government has allowed up to 51% FDI in retail, with certain riders.

    1) The states can allow or disallow such entities operating in their own states (as Maya and Jaya have already announced). Even Congress ruled states can say no. There is no compulsion. So what is the big deal? Whichever states allow will either benefit or pay the price.

    2) All party meet to break the logjam in the parliament. The opposition may not be interested in parliament working on one pretext or the other, at least the Government is worried. ( I repeat there are more important bills need to be debated and passed).

    Parliament is the first and the tallest pillar of the democracy. Everything is built around it. Every other institution’s authority, responsibility and power flows from the Parliament. No parliament – nothing.

    Event in case of the Nuclear deal – there many in the Congress and its allies who were not on the same page as the Prime Minister, yet the deal went through. Right? Now you tell me is the Nuclear Deal a good thing or a bad thing for India?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    To me, nuclear energy is an expensive proposition and we need to bank on some not so friendly countries for the raw material.

    You may have your own opinion and I respect that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you. As long as we respect each others views , though we may not agree with them, I am fine. keep debating. Moreover, we should ignore some of the barbs we throw at each other.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why nuclear energy?

    Coal and gas are not going to last forever. Hydro electric plants are many times subject to vagaries of the monsoons.

    The cost comparison is as follows.

    Solar 2.20
    Natural Gas 1.00
    Wind 0.80
    Coal 0.50
    Hydro 0.30

    Nuclear 0.40
    ————————————————–

    Before the Nuclear deal, no country was willing to talk to us for supplies. Now that window has been opened. Whether we succeed or not is another matter altogether.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, the cost of electricity produced per unit should not only depend on the operating cost but also take into account the amount of capital required, how long does it take to build a nuclear plant (ther may be cost over runs if it takes too long), security needed for such plants, costs involved in the waste disposal and the cost involved in purchasing third party liability in case of an accident.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That has been taken care of by the Nuclear Liability Bill.

    Whether it is commercially viable to have nuclear power or not, that is for the operator (GOI in our case through The Nuclear Power Corporation Ltd.) to decide.

    Surely they must have done their homework in this regard. Or no?

    If it is any comfort to you – 4 nuclear plants were started when the NDA was in power.

    If we do not go for nuclear power now, then it may be too late. We cannot wait until we run out of gas and coal, then start thinking what should we do now? It is the same syndrome you are demonstrating vis-a-vis: FDI in retail. Why now? What is the hurry?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh come on, you mean to say that 10 years down the line, we need to beg Walmart for them to set up their shops here? That’s why we are hurrying.

    Economics says, the retailer needs the market and not vice-versa. Indian retail market doesn’t need a Walmart. The reverse is probably not true.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You come on and show me how to clap with one hand, then we continue this discussion.

    You are asking the classic question – which came first the egg or the hen? Can you answer that?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The hen – you have your answer – don’t ask me how?

    Jokes aside, if Walmart wants to set its shop here (looking at the size of the growing middleclass), it might have bribed those in power as it does elsewhere where it has its operations. That’s the reason for the hurry. Apart from that, the reasons suggested by Vijay (the son-in law angle) also fits the bill here.

    Can you completely rule that out?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    “at least the Government is worried.”

    the funny thing about this government is that it is worried if the parliament is not working and it is more worried if parliament is working!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha… it could have only come from you, Mr. Shenoy!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    :} :}

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    my secret informant SMSsed me that some of the participants were seen imbibing contents of hip-flasks, though rather unobtrusively and in small quantities.

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  • Anonymous

    Is the PM of India misleading the country?
    How do farmers benefit from Walmart ? How do common consumers get food items and items of daily use at lower prices at Walmart… With all their glamour and razz matazz ? Will they compete with Big Bazaar for the Aam Admi or go for the Rich who have more money to splash on lifestyle goods ?
    Me thinks if farmers and consumers alike have to benefit from a reform , then it is to allow farmers to bring their produce directly to market or move around with carts or in whatever manner to sell their produce to consumers. There should be no restriction that all produce has go to Mandis or the organized Markets . Police or municipal authorities should be prevented from harassing these farmers.
    Although nowadays it is not so frequent that we see farmers directly bringing their wheat or rice or vegetables and selling it , but I recall that this was more common earlier and the farmers would always sell at lower prices.

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  • Anonymous

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    the way Walmart is being mentioned with awe, respect and wonder, it appears they are coming to India with only one motive- a noble one at that, of helping the Indians eat better, live better and not care for anything, because Walmart sells their ware without a paisa profit.

    The congressie troll here says: “As you all must have read, the Prime Minister has put his foot down”.

    Now why would an eighty year old man dare to stamp his foot hard on the floor on the side of Walmart, if he were not sufficiently arm-twisted by you-know-who? And when he is arm-twisted sufficiently hard and painfully enough, why would he care for the country?

    Soon, you can hear the war cry from the congress: “We R’smart, we want Walmart”.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Is your opposition to:
    - large format retail, per se?
    - or, foreign ownership?
    If it is the former, can you tell me why you do not oppose Big Bazar, Reliance Superstore and so on?
    If it is the latter, then please tell me if we should throw out all the MNCs operating in this country- Unilever, P&G, HP, IBM, Coke, Pepsi, Accenture, Deloitte….
    Or, is it that your opposition to the “combo”- foreign ownership of some part of Indian retail business?
    In these days, can you even tell how much of a company’s ownership is in which country? How would it matter, anyway?
    Are you against profits? As a businessman, you can’t afford to be, right? Why grudge anyone their right to want to profit?
    I would certainly welcome the apprehensions regarding large format retail to be brought on the table- there are enough and more to learn from other countries’ experiences. So, let’s table those and ask for safeguards and laws and regulations.
    Why erect barriers against one particular type of investment?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Please allow me to get involved. I would appreciate and thank you for your veiws on:
    a) Why do we need FDI in retail at the first place?
    b) If the motive is profit, why does the govt. say that it is for the benefit of the farmers and consumers?
    c) Who woul be the biggest beneficiary?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ishwar,
    a) Do we need hollywood movies? Or, multinational banks opening branches here?
    I do not think we can selectively say what this country needs or it does not- let the consumers decide if they want to shop in Big Bazar, or Carrefour or Kirana shops.

    b) The motive of government is not profit (oh, how I wish the governments had some profit motive :) ), it is the enterprises -kirana shops to Carrefour who want a return on their invested capital. I repeat, it is the very nature of capital to seek a return; irrespective of the size.
    Any economic activity generates employment- some direct, many indirect. For example, the kirana shop has the owner and his brother managing the counter and 4 others assisting and 5 doing delivery to neighbouring houses. But the indirect employment is generated by the teams of salesmen and delivery boys who serve those shops.
    The Walmarts of the world will generate employment- in the entire value chain- from procurement to inward delivery to store management to billing to IT support and so on…) Some will be direct, some will be indirect.
    Farmers will find a bigger market for their produce and better prices too- it will also push them to improve crop yield, better seeds and so on. Why do we only worry that Indian farmers will be squeezed out; think of their produce finding its way to other countries around the world.
    Consumers will benefit because we will find unseasonal produce on our shelves at seasonal prices.
    c) Difficult to say; but a cross section of people- producers and consumers both will benefit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Ashish.

    I always look forward to and respect your opinion.

    I hope what you think would happen rather than what I fear would happen.

    AshishC Reply:

    I do not really have a well formed opinion, yet on FDI.
    In India, it is many times what is not apparent is what is important.
    The decision may be right, but the motivation in announcing it now, or even behind it may be all wrong.
    Honestly, the government finds itself in a tight corner, because it has zero credibility- and everyone suspects the worst motivation behind all its actions. They may well be right. But, the debate is not on motivation behind the decision or announcing it now. The debate is on the socio-economic justification behind FDI in retail.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish, Ishwar,

    Wah, so many questions, so few answers, nothing is clear; every answer has sub-questions to it. Every question has two or more answers.

    I am opposed to 51% FDI in retail trade of food and agri items. Cosmetics and luxury sector have insignificant, overall effect.

    I am opposed to sourcing of stocks from outside India wholesale. I can stand 50% or less, but our producers like farmers and SMEs should not get squeezed out.

    It should be brought about in a step by step manner and the effect on each sector should be closely monitored.

    All of these would make me NOT oppose FDI in retail.

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  • engrich

    now india has become colony of corporates.our sovereignity has already been compromised.brhmns invited foreign invaders including mahmood of ghaznavi,then baber ,then britishers now corporates.

    ngos and journalists in libya were spying and helping genocidal nato bombing foreign rats which killed 200000 people.was stopped on howleen..these corporates and their employees are working for their bosses.
    all brhmnst from bjp congress is supporting take over of indiao Pranab Mukherjee is proving himself as the Best Chieftain of Vedic Violence in India in more than one ways. He was instrumental to pass the Citizenship Amendment Act to Deport the SC OBC Bengali resettled Refugees. It was no one but Pranab who Helped the Marxist Brahaminical gestapo to continue in Power for so long killing the Opposition. Again as the Brahamin Marxists have been Discredited , it is Pranab who ENSURES Parivartan with Replacing Bhattacharya with Banerjee! It is Pranab who is against Regulation of Foreign capital Inflow and does head almost all Parliamentary Committees to PUSH for Economic Ethnic Cleansing. Pranab who quoted Chanakya in his Budgetary speech, now UNVEILS the Statue of Chankya nowhere else but in Nagpur which is the Hindutva headquarter thanks to RSS.He sustains the legacy of LAL, BAL, PAL and Hindu Mahasabha leaders who CONSPIRE to kill Indian aboriginal, Indigenous and Minority Communities with the Partition Holocaust which continues even today.

    The lesson from Sirte(last city in libya to fall) must go down in the annals of the collective identity of humankind as a classic and historic tale of resilience and virtue and determination, the fight to survive against the most tremendous odds – a handful of loyalists and Libyan Patriots standing fast against marauding gangs of cowards and traitors, foreign mercenaries, looters, rapists, murderers, torturers and terrorists.
    thsiis i the ways to live freely.otherwise all our wealth will be sucked by coporates like
    east india company.
    at the moment we have to obey their orders like pakis.wall mart will finish middle class
    khudra traders.this is sad.i have seen this destruction in middle east.

    now our yoga gurus in west are teaching yoga in completely naked destroying the families.kim kirdishian husband divorce her when when he saw this seen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There was nice debate going on FDI in India. I thought since BJP, RSS or
    Pakistan are not part of this debate, I will not see any post from Engrich and
    Ravi. I was completely wrong .

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    engrich Reply:

    u were definitely wrong.fdi was allowed by nda first.it was part of shinning india.now we are enslaved by multinationals so we have no other option, fight or follow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich this is for your only

    A teacher asked her students : how will you make 1+1 = 3 ?
    Papu got up and said : unki SHAADI kara do
    Teacher : how you will make them 11 ?
    Papu : unka NIKAH kara do

    engrich Reply:

    eleven is better than 2 kennedy were 11 brother and sister.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    The ISI will not throw away its money, even counterfeit one, on its foot soldiers like Ram Sevak/Tajender, fake Ravi just like that. These jihadis are programmed to talk only about RSS, Hindus, Brhmns and how evil they are, how 5000 dalit women are raped everyday in India by upper caste Hindus etc. This is the ISI’s theme song.

    These foot soldiers with naqli Hindu/Sikh names have to sing it on every blog, or else………

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  • Pankaj#1

    Hot debate is going on about FDI in retail. Do not pretend to be an economist ( well no body else either) so like everybody else, it will be a lay man’s observation. But before that, my impression about India, which has changed a lot in last few years. will try to be brief. Terminal 3 at Delhi, what a relief, world class Airport, not best but not ugly either and functional. Workers appear friendy, as against previous experience of yesteryears. Rows of Taxis available, comfortable but costly. paid, Re. 800 for a oneway ride from Terminal 3 to my destination in Delhi, surprised, still cheaper than in west but so much different from fare structure of yesteryears. Fly overs all around, movement facilitated in wee hours but during rush hours, not much difference. Crowds are intimidating, prices for everything prohibitive, even with glitzy malls, quality of life has deteriorated, and I have a feeling that I have lost my Delhi of my formative years.
    Had a rush tour of 5-6 cities, travelling has become comfortable with facilities but again, fare appear prohibitive. It appears that things have improved substantially for a section of people, but what about people at large, can not say. Had a hurried affair with Rajinder da dhaba in south Delhi, Annapurna in Yusuf sarai, and could see friend in Safdarjang. could not visit Dr. Shah Alam khan at AIIMS because of time constraint. Purchased a book at Teksons from south extension- Hello Bastar- Rahul Pandita, read during travel back to America, and within hours, came to know about the death of Kishenji. Can not comment, whether it was right or wrong. Appear both right and wrong. Balwinderji, Malls in Metropolitan cities appear OK, with certain conditions, market may do rest of the corrections but in tier 3 and 4 cities, malls appear incongruous. Hope, there will be no malls in villages, as opposed to America.

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  • Anonymous

    This is how OUR poor are treated at hospitals.

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24×7/caught-on-camera-hospitals-humiliate-poor-patients-entitled-to-free-treatment/217249?pfrom=home-topstories

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    engrich Reply:

    good and thnks for highlighting.this is anti-people indian mentality.

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  • Anonymous

    This ‘FDI in Retail’ Card is Congressi attempt to make a deal with Opposition so that Parliament can function in smoother way.
    1. Congress will want NDA to take back boycott of Chidambaram and break away from left on Price rise issue and also mute down opposition to Congress sponsored corruption.
    2. In return Congress will take back ‘FDI in retail’.

    Once this is achieved Congress will-
    3. Introduce Communal violence Bill and isolate BJP on that issue.
    4. At the end of the session, Congress friendly media will hail this session as Congress victory.

    No one is serious about burning issue of Corruption and Price rise and I mean no one including BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    You are right. No party cares about common people. This is all drama happening.
    End of the day everyone will share the loot.

    This is democracy in India now:

    Democrazy

    off the people
    buy the people
    far from people.

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  • Anonymous

    @the ex bank manager from Konkan WITH HATE , a tutorial on ECONOMY OF SCALE
    Economies of scale

    Economies of scale are the cost advantages exploited by expanding the scale of production in the long run. The effect is to reduce long run average costs over a range of output.

    These lower costs represent an improvement in productive efficiency and can feed through to consumers in lower prices. But economies of scale also give a business a competitive advantage in the market-place. They lead to lower prices and higher profits!

    The table below shows a simple representation of economies of scale. We make no distinction between fixed and variable costs in the long run because all factors of production can be varied. As long as the long run average total cost (LRAC) is declining, economies of scale are being exploited.

    Long Run Output (Units)

    Total Costs (£s)

    Long Run Average Cost (£ per unit)

    1000

    12000

    12

    2000

    20000

    10

    5000

    45000

    9

    10000

    80000

    8

    20000

    144000

    7.2

    50000

    330000

    6.6

    100000

    640000

    6.4

    500000

    3000000

    6

    Returns to scale and costs in the long run

    The table below shows a numerical example of how changes in the scale of production can, if increasing returns to scale are exploited, lead to lower long run average costs.

    Factor Inputs

    Production

    Costs

    (K)

    (La)

    (L)

    (Q)

    (TC)

    (TC/Q)

    Capital

    Land

    Labour

    Output

    Total Cost

    Average Cost

    Scale A

    5

    3

    4

    100

    3256

    32.6

    Scale B

    10

    6

    8

    300

    6512

    21.7

    Scale C

    15

    9

    12

    500

    9768

    19.5

    Costs: Assume the cost of each unit of capital = £600, Land = £80 and Labour = £200

    Because the % change in output exceeds the % change in factor inputs used, then, although total costs rise, the average cost per unit falls as the business expands from scale A to B to C.

    Increasing Returns to Scale

    Much of the new thinking in economics focuses on the increasing returns to scale available to a company growing in size in the long run. If a business can sell more output, it may become progressively easier to sell even more output and reap the benefits of large-scale production.

    An example of this is the computer software business. The overhead costs of developing new software programs are huge – often running into hundreds of millions of dollars or pounds – but the marginal cost of producing additional copies of the product for sale in the market is close to zero. If a company can establish itself in the market in providing a piece of software, positive feedback from consumers will expand the customer base, raise demand and encourage the firm to increase production. Because the marginal cost of production is so low, the extra output reduces average costs, giving the business the scope to exploit economies of size. Lower costs normally mean higher profits and increasing financial returns for the shareholders of a business.

    The long run average cost curve

    The LRAC curve or ‘envelope curve’ is drawn on the assumption of their being an infinite number of plant sizes – hence its smooth appearance. The points of tangency between LRAC and SRAC curves do not occur at the minimum points of the SRAC curves except at the point where the minimum efficient scale (MES) is achieved.

    If LRAC is falling when output is increasing then the firm is experiencing economies of scale. For example a doubling of factor inputs in the production process might lead to a more than doubling of output leading to increasing returns to scale.

    Conversely, When LRAC rises, the firm experiences diseconomies of scale, and, If LRAC is constant, then the firm is experiencing constant returns to scale.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Not fair. You like Freddie Trueman or Malcolm Marshal or Dennis Lillie cannot bowl bouncers to the 12th man. ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    looking at the “tables” you have tried to provide to your jihadi bhais here, I am compelled to advise you that you should confine yourself to looking at the “figures” of the nurses at your hospital. Do not venture into the real world of figures related to economy, commerce, finance etc. It will only lead you to the farce you have created here after consuming so much space. If you still believe in and persist in calling it “tables”, be the guest of the congressie troll here.

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  • Anonymous

    Sorry , please follow the link , this disqus doesn’t let in tables
    tutor2u.net/…notes/a2-micro-economies-diseconomies-of-scale.htm

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  • Anonymous

    some more about supermarkets
    Supermarkets compete by cutting costs, assuring consistency
    from day to day, and raising product quality and diversity.
    This is done through improvements in co-ordination and
    logistics systems, contracts with wholesalers and producers,
    and private standards specifying quality, safety, volume and
    packaging of products.
    An increase in the scale and volume of procurement is
    driven by supermarket expansion, and centres are set up to
    procure products from large areas, handle large volumes,
    serve a large number of stores and work with suppliers
    whose scale, capital, managerial and organisational capacity
    are sufficient to meet the requirements of the procurement
    system. In general, this prompts new investment by suppliers,
    which is expensive but generally perceived as ‘worth it’ if a
    supplier can get on a supermarket’s procurement list.
    http://www.odi.org.uk/resources/download/1312.pdf

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  • Anonymous

    A detailed debate on FDI in retail. Worth watching..

    http://khabar.ndtv.com/PlayVideo.aspx?id=217180

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  • Anonymous

    Ishwar

    You wrote in response to my post.

    “The hen – you have your answer – don’t ask me how?

    Wow! You must be the only one ever in this universe to know that the hen came first. Everyone since the advent of man on this planet has and is still wondering.

    ————————

    Jokes aside, if Walmart wants to set its shop here (looking at the size of the growing middleclass), it might have bribed those in power as it does elsewhere where it has its operations. That’s the reason for the hurry. Apart from that, the reasons suggested by Vijay (the son-in law angle) also fits the bill here”.

    ———————–
    Yes, jokes aside.

    Your posts are only harping upon Walmart and conspiracy theories. You did not answer my question earlier – about other chains – Tesco, Carrefour, etc.? Aren’t they going to be allowed in, because they have not paid huge bribes to your “beloved” Rajmata and Amul baby and of course the son-in-law angle and Rajmata’s family members in Italy to make the picture complete.

    Neither you have answered supplementary questions to that – Did Modi go to China to collect huge bribes and put them in some safe place, before allowing Chinese to invest in Gujarat ? What was the hurry for Modi to go to China? He could have waited after the next state elections in 2012/2013? I can ask you more ludicrous questions. Why did Nitin Gadkari go to London in July? Did he go to collect black money (hey, what colour is the British currency these days?) for UP elections? What was the hurry?

    Talk nonsense, you get nonsense response and questions.

    I have no proof of the any of the above being so. If you have any, please let the public know.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chicken and egg – my answer is based on my complete non-beleif in Darwin’s Theory of Evolution. Let the world be on the other side – I don’t have a problem with that.

    Your questions regarding Mr. Modi and Gadkari are definitely ludicrous, though not completely surprising, given your blind support for the family.

    The suspicion I have regarding Sonia is valid because the reason/purpose of her trip has been kept a secret. I would not raise it again if you ansswer this one for me.

    a) Was it paid for by the government (i.e. by tax payers money)?
    b) Was it paid for by Sonia G

    If the answer is first one, I have all the rights to know the details and suspect foul if it is not publicly available. If the answer is the second one, then, I would like to see if it matches with her declared income to the Election Commission.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ludicrous posts deserve ludicrous responses.

    Regarding personal details of an individual – medical and other, it is amply clear that you have no respect for one’s privacy, guaranteed by the constitution. Should I take it that you have no respect for the constitution either?

    Regarding expenses for her medical treatment in USA, – I suggest you go back a couple of blogs, where I think Praveen Saxena explained how the system works. All MPs are entitled to free medical treatment in India and if the treatment is not available here then in another country – there is a committee which decides whether the MP needs to go abroad or can be treated in India itself. Hence, your question along with your right to know as to who paid the bills needs to be thrown into the gutter. You may cross check with Praveen Saxena.

    Next time, please take the trouble of cross checking information and data before taking someone on. You did not bother to do so earlier too – in case of BJP’s 2004 manifesto re: FDI in retail. it will save you a lot of heartburn and embarrassment.
    Whether I am a blind supporter or not has been made amply clear in many of my posts in the last couple of months – if you do read and understand, then it is your problem not mine.

    BTW, try getting one’s medical details of private citizens or public figures in USA, Europe, Australia, Japan and probably in most countries. Mere inquiry or attempt will probably will land you in lot of trouble.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No question would go to gutter because you want it there.

    I have no problems with MPs entitlement of free medical treatment. The question is which doctor/hospital recommended the US visit and if any of the doctors also accompanied her? Why should that be a secret?

    Anonymous Reply:

    See you do not wish to read. I said go back couple of blogs, which you did not bother, never mind.

    First you wanted to know (‘as your right’) as to who paid the bills, you got an answer and got beaten back . Now you want to know who are the doctors or which hospital recommended her treatment in USA. What next?

    Try the following for answers

    1) Check it with the Ministry of Health. I believe the Committee is attached to it.
    2) Check it with Parliament Secretariat..
    3) File a PIL in the Supreme Court.
    4) The best option – ring up 10, Janpath and ask.

    Do not ask me the contact details of the first two nor how to file a PIL. Good luck with your efforts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    when Gadkari underwent an operation for weight reduction this very same troll made extremely ugly comments on it. But when you question the secrecy shrouding Sonia Gandhi’s trip abroad ostensibly for medical treatment, you are asked to shut up and respect her right to privacy!

  • Anonymous

    The advent of another nautanki
    ——————————————

    Once again Anna threatens govt, warns of protest

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/Chunk-HT-UI-HomePage-TopStories/Once-again-Anna-threatens-govt-warns-of-protest/Article1-775615.aspx

    Shouldn’t he be telling the opposition parties first not to stall the parliament? How can the bill be debated and passed.if the parliament is not allowed to function?

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  • Anonymous

    Ashish,
    Let me add my own two bits here with your very fine response to Shenoy as a starting point :
    This is what you wrote :
    “Shenoy,
    Is your opposition to:
    – large format retail, per se?
    - or, foreign ownership?
    If it is the former, can you tell me why you do not oppose Big Bazar, Reliance Superstore and so on?”
    Just today afternoon – re-visiting this blog – I had precisely those same doubts about the opposition FDI in retail is facing. Commuting back from my workplace after somewhat drunken tryst with my hostel roomy (am over 270 m.l. plus of Whiskey as I write this response) saw me re-visiting this blog , reading your response brought me a smile , truly.
    So, to the discussion….
    Let me start with easier points first – the Congress Government’s claims :
    1> 10 Million of Jobs being created in Retail : Absolutely un-substantiated claim. Here goes the reasoning … Walmart’s yearly sales exceeds India’s total Retail Sector output by 40 p.c. And yet, the overall employment is roughly 2 million . So , where are these remaining 8 million going to come from ? In case it interests you – a much detailed treatise may be found at : http://prajatantra.blogspot.com/2011/11/fdi-in-retail-finally-bulldoze.html . This particular blogpost goes to an extent of providing documentary links for Parliametary committee’s own ecaluation report on retail.
    2> Boon to the farming sector : Really ? Think again . What is the constraint that farming sector is facing today ? Is it lack of market or is it lack of finance ? Here, on this blog itself – we have discussed this point severally. Treatise by P. Sainath on farming sector (and much much earlier – somewhat congruently expressed by V. M Dandekar committee in context of agriculture in Maharashtra). So, how is Walmart going to help ? Or rather, how much substantially ?

    And yet , despite all the brouhaha in our Parliament I keep getting that nagging question. Why now ? Why not earlier ? Earlier, as in when “big retail” got its permit. What is so special about Walmart that it could be so devastating and the chain of Reliance or More couldn’t .
    My own hypotheses goes somewhat like this – the opposition that we are seeing now in parliament is not at all represeing the “Kirana wallahs”. They are anyway to inconsequential to matter as much in parliament. This polity is just not representing them. There are other two vocal classes who are going to be affected and could weild enough clout. One is obviously the “local” “big retail”. The second one is probably a conglomerate of traders who could lose their clout vis-a-vis the small local traders.
    These probably are the fault-lines that are currently finding expression in our parliament .

    As for the small retailers – well its a vastly complex topic. Perhaps as complex as environmental sciences. Requiring analytical skills as complex and sharp as those environmentalists who analyse the (for instance) impact of smuggled Carp Fish on native aquaculture. Unfortunate aspect of our own polity is , both the skills and will are missing as the economic Carp fish continues to nibble its way , now being Reliance – then being Walmart. And yet , finally , we keep asking ourselves – how come Maoists got such a strong foothold.

    p.s. : Proud to be JNU type , left leaning , Amnesti Jholawalla Marathi Mumbaikar with propensity for cheap Whiskey and a promoter of fine oriental porn.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    I don’t get the “oriental porn” bit.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    you are obviously much younger than I am: I can never keep a precise count of those mls :) – especially after the first 100 or so.

    Let me make a rather provocative – even uncalled for – remark. It is not for the first time I have seen the “JNU types” cosy up to the BJP types (there, now I have done it- let a thousand enemies bloom!) in economic ideology.
    I fly the flag of the right of centre. Consistently.

    What is our objection? Is it ownership or the large format? Or is it to the combo?
    Let me see if the kirana wallas will lose their livelihood. If they do, will it be a bad thing?
    Many months back, in a different context, I had made a point that no one can afford to take his occupation or avocation for granted. Especially when disruptive forces like technology come in.
    When the coachmen lost their jobs- and few got re-employed as drivers- as a result of one Mr Henry Ford, it may well have been traumatic for those coachmen. But, would you rather that we never had motor cars?
    So, who is to say who is essential and who is not?
    My great grandfather lived off the land- his son worked for the Indian Railways and my dad was an engineer; who knows what my daughter will be?
    There is Mother’s dairy, there is Amul and there is also the small dairy owners who supply milk. The small dairy owners may not survive in the next generation- their children may not want to carry on in this profession. Is that a bad thing?
    Employment generation:
    There will be direct employment generation and there will be indirect- including in software development :) . Also read my response to Ishwar. The nature of employment might even require higher levels of skills- requiring a generation to upgrade their skills. Will that be all bad? No one can guess what the figure will be, 10M is as absurd as the figure of 3 crores that are supposedly employed by the retail trade in India that is bandied about in TV studios. Who knows?
    My take on the “faultlines” that you talk about- opposition to the FDI in retail, is different and less based on conspiracy theories.
    See, in north, the BJP/ Jan Sangh has always been identified as the party for and of the small traders- so much so, that their economic ideology used to be derisively summed up -perhaps unfairly- as “get rid of sales tax”. Now, even though BJP may have broadbased its appeal, its leaders, by force of habit, still feel impelled to talk about small traders.
    The left’s opposition is more to “foreign ownership”- though I am not sure if they have a position on Mr Tata owning Corus or Jaguar or Airtel running mobile networks in Africa.
    In summation, I love JNU types and their cousins.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    a masterly ambivalent dissertion. Perhaps, you were sitting on a half wall while typing on your laptop.

    I want to call it ‘the sermon on the wall mount’.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Your sermon on Wallmart has secured you a position in the rationalist humanist club.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Couple of last points..
    1. I browsed through the link you provided; I think he needs to read some basic economic theory before blogging on public policy.
    2. I am a rummy myself; as you know in India there is only one rum- thus, no class divide as with the whiskey drinkers

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  • engrich

    i think wall mart we can make easily.india has the largest pool of educated people in the world.51%fdi should be opened in the field of defence.licenses should be issued to companies with most advance and latest technology.

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  • Anonymous

    @mahesh , interesting post , but not convincing at all. There should be no illusion just mere arrival of SUPERMARKET chains and India is catapulted to FIRST WORLD. far from it. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT AT ALL , THEY WILL IMPART A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY IN EVERY FIELD INCLUDING AGROECONOMY.
    In maharashtra you have seen how a tiny application of science TRANSFORMED nasik , and adjoining areas with grapes production.More later Arsenal match on

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    Anonymous Reply:

    0-1

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1-6 man U -man city

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  • Dr Mishra

    Balwinder praaji, you have done a great job in moderating this blog.
    You summarised as follows-
    For foreign investment= Sir Sardar Balwinder from Hayes (with caution), Manohar, Prahlad, Rajiiv
    Against= Gopi, Vijay, Shenoy, RajeevS, Praveen Saxena, Ishwar
    Ambivalent= Gurpreet (puttar, not allowed, Sikhs think clearly one way or another)
    ————————-
    well praaji somewhat surprisingly I find myself in an opposite camp from my usual cyber friends- I AM FOR THIS FDI IN RETAIL- but hey it is our country, if after 5 years we find we dont like something- we can always modify it
    —————————
    Gopi, Shenoy etc- can I say- India trebled its food production since 1948- but at least 20% of grain and 30% of fruit and veg rots. Now we gave our society 60 years to stop this CRIMINAL WASTE- but as Balwinder says-we are a nation oh ‘hand wringers’- all talk- so give technology a chance

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    LOKPAL AND FOOD WASTAGE- what is the similarity?

    I got fed up of the ppl here who kept attacking Anna. I say, we gave you 60 years, all you gave us was world’s biggest corruption. So Anna and I have come to kick yr butt.
    Same for this food waste- you cant do, so let someone else
    ————————-
    In the summary above, I do not know where Ashish and Mahesh fitted in. The whisky that Mahesh drank confused me, and I suppose him. Maybe they can declare their colours.
    Excellent debates all/ thanks

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    engrich Reply:

    dr saheb, anna jee wants LAMB TO SLEEP WITH WOLF.

    This is India. Brahminists can convert a pig into race horse and race horse into a donkey. They have their own monopoly media to mesmerise the people .So, with all these many-sided advantages the Brahminists have been ruling this world’s second largest country — reducing it into a beggar nation — easily manufacturing “leaders.

    anna jee is product of same system.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Balwinder, this video is about yr spirit-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ-JcGMgqko&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    All, this video will blow your mind away- MERA BHARAT MAHAAN-
    India Talent Show – Warriors of Goja AMAZING MUST WATCH !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    I am not opposed to FDI in retail in pricnciple. But I strongly feel that the folowing need ot be worked out first

    a) NO promotion of GM food

    b) Promotion of Indian goods so that they dont become killers of local industry

    Etc etc

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  • Ravi

    Let us assume that in the next 5 years Punjab has 50 Supermarkets and 5 Hyper markets.

    Then which of these is likely to happen.

    1. Will the FARMS stay as they are or will they become larger.

    2. Will the Packaging and resultant waste, stay the same or increase.

    3. Will people change shopping habits from daily shopping to weekly shopping.

    4. Will this be the start of out of town shopping or not.

    5. Will these super markets be in our congested cities or outside them

    6. Will the food, start to look good but taste worse.

    7. Will fresh meat give way to frozen packs

    8. What size will these super markets be and will they have sufficient car parking.

    9. Will weekly shopping require increased storage needs in an average Indian 2 bed flat.

    10. Finally will we be able to get good quality cheese and Tonic water. Or not?

    11. Will Indian palette accept Marmite

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    1. They may become larger – probably if the farmers form a co-operative. I doubt they would like to sell out for x amount of money, which may not last long and would be poorer afterwards.

    2. Marginally the wastage will get reduced.

    3, 4, 9. Shopping habits have changed already due to advent of the domestic chains about 15 years ago.

    5. Most of them are outside the congested areas. In some cases, redevelopment of old areas results in the large stores opening up there. For example, in Bombay – many defunct textile mills have been redeveloped into malls, multiplexes and hyper stores.

    For example, Hypercity in Thane, is spread over 100000 sq feet with 45000 A to Z branded products. Is that OK by US/European standards?

    There are few more huge stores/malls nearby.

    A place where the consumer is really spoilt for choice is the shopping area outside the Vashi Railway Station in New Bombay. You name a chain , it is there, along with multiplexes, numerous restaurants, what have you. Being bang outside the railway station, people from far come for their monthly/weekly shopping here – no need for a car.

    Parking is generally not a problem, as most of the shoppers do not own cars.

    Similar setups would also be there in other metros and large cities.

    6. More variety is available. For example, grapes from Australia, California, etc. are available side by side from local areas like Nasik.

    7. Packaged meat, fish, etc. also with fresh items are available in super markets. Take your pick. In some cases, eating habits of the owners dictate whether non-vegetarian stuff is available or not. For example, Big Bazaar does not stock them in ‘deference’ to the owners(?). So also in Reliance Stores. Having realized their folly, Reliance have separate branded stores, where they have started doing so. Birla’s More Stores had started with stocking non-veg food items, the Marwari community was up in arms – (how dare you?), so they stopped for some time. Kumarmangalam Birla later told the community to go take a walk, as he was losing out to other chains.

    8. Now that would depend upon many factors like in ay other country – cost, population, availability.

    10. A large variety of imported items are available in the existing chains.

    11. If there is a market for it, why not? Someone has to stock and see if it sells. Perhaps only certain higher end areas.

    There would not too much of a drastic change, as the domestic chains are already here and know a lot about retail trade, except perhaps not enough investments in storage for perishables. For grains, major part of the responsibility would rest with Food Corporation of India – the Government has to do a lot in this sector.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi all the questions posed by you are straight out of the ASDA experience. The WAITROSE experience and MARKS AND SPENCER experience is totally different MOSTLY POSITIVE.What will happen is FARM PRODUCTIVITY WILL GO UP , new lands will be cultivated, buy one get one free and OTHER TRICKS will make indian consumers buy more. Buy more will lead to produce more , generally leading to stimulating the economy. I have experience of “INDIAN” supermarkets (if you can call them supermarkets), the one in calcutta is called SPENCERS.It is full of IMPORTED GOODIES, like pasta , jam like st dalfour that you get in TESCO in uk , oregano etc.
    the indian goods are not good. It has hardly made any impact to the west bengal economy.
    Bottom line is ECONOMY OF SCALE , they may source slippers in MILLIONS if indian cos can supply them. take papaya ,in UK i see then coming from Venezuela , in calcutta the tree grows by the road side , no proper cultivation .
    Take tinned tomatoes , UNKNOWN IN INDIA , supermarkets may introduce thus providing a way to incease the shelf life.
    Also chicken , lamb production will increase , they may source for their international inventory.
    Parking will not be provided ,land is too scarce.
    Remember during WORLD CUP Tesco was selling beer cheaper than bottled water.
    FOOD PRICES ARE BOUND TO DROP if all the western practices are adopted .
    Also Even if 8 million job is created instead of 10 ,as mahesh alleges , it should be a GROUND BREAKING PROJECT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are already many mega/super stores operating in the metros and other large cities. In certain areas, saturation has already taken place – footfalls have dropped, fatigue having set in and one two many stores.

    With advent of stores with up to 51% foreign percent equity, the question is what would be the positives – quantitatively. and qualitatively.

    There is not going to be any drastic change in the spending budgets of the household. They will change independently of the presence or the absence of international chains. What may happen that they may snatch business from the existing players, who will not be sitting idle to cope with the new competition in town. Either they tie up with them or get aggressive themselves.

    There may be qualitative change in the front office and back office operations – improved delivery systems, better supply chain management and better prices for the primary producers, eliminating the middlemen in many cases. The last named is already happening with the domestic chains. For example, in my area, Reliance Fresh for example sells milk (under its own brand) at Rs 27 per litre as against Rs 32 to Rs 33 sold under established brands like Amul, Govardhan, etc. Other companies (such as ITC) have also started marketing packaged quality products – through these chains and neighbourhood shops.

    The advantage the chains have over the neighbourhood shops is that they are able to offer discounted rates. In some chains, standard discount (other than special offers from time to time and festival time sales) of 2 to 2.5 % is available on all products throughout the year.

    They also offer free home delivery within the certain range and for some minimum amount of purchases. Neighbourhood shops also do the same – amount does not matter.

    We should not expect a complete overhaul of the retail trade.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr.Mishra, balwinderji,

    It is good that you two have come on the side of ‘yes sayers’ to FDI in retail.
    You have also spoken of the huge wastage of food grains and fruits and vegetables for the last sixty years.

    You believe, too, that MNC’s like Walmart ansd Spencers would make it their leit motiv to stop India from losing billions in this manner.

    I have just three points:

    1.Was the absence of FDI the reason for our government not taking required steps to save lossese due to rotting?

    2. Why Walmart was thrown out of the country by Germany?

    3. Is the experience of countries who have FDI’s of 51%-100% uniformly good?

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  • Anonymous

    Walmart wants to enter India because India has a growing ‘middle class’.
    But right now the entire country is being turned into a growing ‘muddle class’.

    Those who support the entry of Walmart definitely have their middle growing and the ends shaking.

    And those who oppose Walmart have their votes growing and wallets bulging.

    And the aam aadmi is forlornly looking at the aam tree and wondering whether next season he would buy aam from Walmart or from the neighbourhood rediwala.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    At this rate of inflation will the aam aadmi able to buy any aam next year ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    A small favour. Can you please tell me what Mahesh was trying to say ? Was he in favour of FDI, Wallmart or was he against ?
    If I ask him, I am sure I will not understand his reply, or he may ridicule me for my spelling and grammital mistakes .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    this vexed question has bothered other bloggers too, whenever Mahesh found time between his whiskey and rum, to post his power-packed ideas, which, if understood well, can bring about changes which no FDIs can match.

    The problem, however, is that only the congressie troll and a couple of jihadis understand him and say, ‘wah, wah’.

    But one thing is for sure. There is always a kernel of truth in his long posts. But the big problem is that he himself is not sure where in the long post he has hidden the truth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Thanks vm. Next time when I read his post I will
    try to find that truth, if successful will pass on that
    treasure to you.

    Ravi Reply:

    Truth in your posts is in Homeopathic Proportions.

  • Anonymous

    Moral policing
    ——————-

    Love under siege: Cops harass couples in parks in Ghaziabad

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Love-under-siege-Cops-harass-couples-in-parks-in-Ghaziabad/articleshow/10923488.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Sir, as a retired gentleman… I hope u dont get entangled with the moral police.

    Anyway for a change it is a BSP ruled state you have found the moral police in.

    let me also state that in th Congressi Delhi, moral police also rules the roost. And I know from experience. Only thing is I threaten them by saying that

    “Give me your name…

    It will be on the first page of HT tomorrow… “

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did I make distinction between moral policing from one state to another based on which party is in power? It is you who did, for reasons best known to you. Try with someone else next time.

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  • Anonymous

    Is the PM of India running with the hares and hunting with the hounds?…. Or is he too Majboor ?

    On the interministerial note on 2G which brought out the war between the FM of India and Home Minister of India , the facts as revealed by Pranab Mukerjea’s second letter (duly leaked) and not denied by anyone , are that it was the PM of India who was the architect of that note which sought to point the needle of suspicion on P Chidambaram.

    And now of on ” FDI in Retail” the timing …and the decision itself is being questioned by his own Party. He first announced the decision , then he called for All Party Meet , in that Meet the FM says that he shall apprise the PM of the views of the Parties, and the PM goes on to announce in the Youth Congress Meet that he is firm on the decision….. taken it to a point of no return..
    So is he doing it deliberately? Is he a friend of the Opposition and intent on digging the grave of his own Party ?… Or is he under someone’s pressure? …who stands to gain from this decision..the Real Estate biggies as Vijay Kumar pointed out and those who have invested in those biggies . and whose influence he cannot ignore ?
    These are times of scams and scams by this government …and lurking questions shall certainly come to fore.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    I think Vijay is right on this one. Some pressure is comming from
    realestate biggies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manmohan Singh at his lamenting best:

    hai, yeh kaisi ajeeb majboori?
    yeh naukri hai ya chaakri?
    kya main sardar hoon ya marwari?
    mera sarkar khudkhushi kare, ya harakiri?

    In my party they call me a hound
    the opposition says I am hide-bound
    they are after my flesh, pound by pound
    my policies are coming back on the rebound

    With Chidambaram they say I am a hare
    And with Pranabda I am a hound
    In Sonia’s presence I go round and round
    How I wish I could say, I don’t care!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    There was a way to do this. And that was consensus and keeping in mind the good of the Indian farmer and retailer.

    Real esate biggies have a lot of empty malls, which they want to give to big foreign chains. There is a certain gentleman– whose name I wont take– who is linked to some big builder(s).

    Either we do 2 +2 or we do 2×2.

    The result will be the same… and that finger and needle of suspician points to the big realo estate linked sons and in laws of the big names.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ex bank manager from Konkan, DONT SPREAD CANARDS, Wal mart was not thrown out of germany , BUT IT IS NOT A SUCCESS IN GERMANY having made losses od 1 billion Euro.THIS IS BECAUSE GERMAN RETAILING WAS ALLREDY SATURATED , with german majors ALDI ,METRO and host of others .
    However this is WALMART
    Wal-Mart‘s Retail Link-system, the backbone of its sophisticated inventory
    management and logistics infrastructure, is the biggest civilian database in the

    world (second only to the Pentagon’s, but holding three times more data than the
    US Internal Revenue Service’s mainframes).
    • It is operating the world’s biggest private satellite communications system,
    allowing it, amongst other things, to track sales, to replenish inventories and to
    process payments in real-time, and even to regulate the temperature in individual
    stores.
    • Wal-Mart’s 2003 turnover is three times higher than Carrefour’s, the world’s
    no. 2 retailer (Table 1), and equivalent to the combined revenues of Germany‘s
    Top 30 retailers.7
    Wal Mart is a huge success in latin america “EVEN WHERE IT CANNOT GET ITS GIANT ARTICULATED LORRIES IN”

    Bottom line is IF FOREIGN CAR MANUFACTURERS TRANSFORMED INDIA’S CAR INDUSTRY with Tata producing world beating product in Nano , AND BAJAJ devoloping small car to be MARKETED BY RENAULT NISSAN
    same should happen to india’s AGRO BUSINESS which is in a STONE AGE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The reason for ranting is obvious – it is not the ‘beloved’ party that is spearheading the push in FDI in retail and it rankles.

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  • Anonymous

    Majority back FDI in retail

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/images/HTPopups/301111/30-11-pg10a.jpg

    The opposition parties (as usual) are completely out of tune, as they were in case of the Nuclear Deal. Some people never learn or choose to be in denial.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Have u bothered to check out a glaring anomaly here…

    Have you reduced or stopped purchases from local stores because of a retail store close by?
    - 64% say No

    And then,

    Your local grocery
    -13% will benefit
    -64% will lose out

    How can both be true?

    The fake poll was released in as much haste as the decision itself by none other than HT – who else apart from NDTV probably?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why it cannot be true?

    If they ask X number of people, do you expect identical replies to all the questions in certain sequence? If that is the case, then they should speak to only one person and publish the results saying they spoke to 1 million or 100 million people or to the whole world.

    I have no info whether it was fake or real poll. You know better, perhaps.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ishwar,
    permit me..
    both these responses may be valid.
    In the first question, the respondent is asked about his actual behaviour; whereas in the second, he is asked for his opinion which is frankly shaped by confusion all around :-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You still think it is a fake poll?

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  • engrich

    History of the Bush Family

    very interesting must watch on u tube

    ravi,ashish&shan,balwinder …

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  • Anonymous

    1.Headlines today report:

    …..”Key UPA allies and Opposition step up heat on government over the FDI issue.”

    2. Indian Express report:

    “FDI deadlock: Congress core group meet fails to find answers:

    With its government in a knot over foreign direct investment in the retail sector, the ruling Congress Party was unable to come up with any answers in a brain-wracking core committee meet held today.

    “No decision,” an informed source said after the hour-long meeting that took place at the residence of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which was also attended by Congress President Sonia Gandhi.”

    3. Hindustan Times report:

    “Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee meets Congress MPs after calling on party president Sonia Gandhi to discuss the standoff with the opposition.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pioneer report:

    “Congress sources said Mukherjee strongly defended the government’s decision and asked party MPs not to oppose it because it was taken in the interest of the nation.

    The meeting assumes significance in the wake of opposition to the move from within the party.

    Congress MP from Uttar Pradesh Sanjay Singh Tuesday criticised the government, saying the move would hurt the poor and the timing was not right because of the upcoming assembly elections in his state.

    Kerala Congress chief Ramesh Chennithala has written a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh opposing the decision. He has also requested Kerala Chief Minister Oommen Chandy not to implement the move in the state.

    The decision has also come in for sharp criticism from the opposition and some key allies of the Congress in the ruling United Progressive Alliance (UPA).”

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  • Anonymous

    =============================================================
    ~~~ HOW THE CONGRESS CAN RESCUE ITSELF ~~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    At this point… the government may just get tossed inot the dustbin of history. Unlike the nuke deal in which most parties saw India getting technology and strenght, the FDI think looks like a sell out.

    Now the US is pushing this as much as a famous son in law for future generations.

    So the COngress should bargain with the US to get into the UN security council. We will open the market to ur giants. U make us feel strong. That should be the message.

    Given the fact that the US desperately needs allies in Asia right now and needs markets for its companies, it could well back India at this point.
    .
    Well when they could get Taiwan the seat, after chacha Nehru said he considered “Big brother China more suitable for the UNSC, ” the US could well bend right now…

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  • engrich

    yesterday wife of pakistani prime minister made purchasing of 800000 pound from harod london.he prime minister of a country where trains are not running because they have no money to buy diesel.

    reports according to Transparency International’s corruption perception index, India scored 3.1 on a scale from zero to 10, where anything below five is bad news. Last year, India scored 3.3. The country’s rank is better than Pakistan (No. 134) and Nepal, which at rank No 154 is perceived to be the most corrupt country in South Asia.

    hum kisi se kum nahin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is all brhmnst, zionst consprcy, to discredit the fair name of the Pak PM’s wife. Brhmns hate her you know, because she eats cows.

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    engrich Reply:

    pakistan never had fair name.they are ur blood brother.

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  • Khalidsiddq

    WRITE ABOUT VIR SANGHVI, BARKHA DUTT, PRABHU CHAWLA,(RADIA WALE) NDTV, HT & YOURSELF.JUST THINK WHY YOU PEOPLE ALWAYS FOUND ON CONGRESS BED??????????????????? ANY SHAME FOR THIS ?????????????????? OR FEEL GREAT?

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  • Anonymous

    Even as we try and take a closer look at the politicians and their shenanigans , we find they are all the same . Last week the country witnessed how Mayawati pulled out the “Divide UP in 4 parts “ act and the Bill was passed in 20 minutes flat….. Now what do the great champions of Parliamentary Democracy and why Anna should be assailed for his extra parliamentary dictatorship have to say about this conduct of our Legislators
    But is Manmohan Singh any different ? …..Probably not . And this is why I firmly believe view that they are all alike , just the way they would like the country to believe that it is all about upholding the ideals of their “Secularism.”
    Let us quickly run through what the Editors of HT have to say about the Manmohan Singh’s “Warm Welcome to Walmart “ act
    Shishir Gupta
    ……..After the unseemly “Memogate” controversy over the 2G spectrum allocation, the FDI in retail decision has only strengthened that both the party and government were at times working at cross purposes…….
    ………It is not that the Congress High Command is opposed to retail. The issue here is whether enough due diligence was done by the government before the decision as it has widespread political ramifications particularly in poll-bound Uttar Pradesh…….
    Pankaj Vohra
    Last week I had written that the logjam in Parliament was probably to stall the Lok Pal Bill. As events have started unfolding, the presumption is coming out to be correct. …..
    ……The thinking could be that the continuation of this government has always had question marks over it and therefore it is better to shift the focus from corruption to FDI. Many cynics believe that it will not be so hard on either the Prime Minister or the party if it government gets isolated on FDI rather than corruption. At least the honour will be preserved. In any case, the Lok Pal bill will be a casualty.
    Vinod Sharma
    …..The dip test in Punjab will confirm or dispel the widely articulated apprehensions, showing the country the way forward on the issue made controversial by the sheer timing of it……
    Now .. what Vinod Sharma has to say notwithstanding , as he is a die-hard Congress fan , and would always try to find a way out to bail it out the with all the ingenuity at his command …it appears that the “Allow FDI in Retail “ by Manmohan Singh was more about politics and saving face than all the Economics reasons he touts in public .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    You are right. This is what some of the bloggers had suggested that
    this is just to divert attention from the issues of corruption and Lok Pal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji, Mohan,

    FDI in retail is the hot current issue, which is occupying the maximum space in the political discourse of the country, but it is not a permanent one. The more urgent and from the UPA’s point of view most tricky issue is the Lokpal bill, which is going to hot up in a couple of weeks.

    If the congress managers thought that attention from the anti-corruption agenda of the nation could be diverted, they are sadly mistaken and in for shock.

    In my opinion, the issue will flare up with much more vehemence and fire, sweep away the couple of anti-Anna trolls on this blog.

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  • Anonymous

    Can small suppliers deal with these big retailers ? They have stringent rules
    when procuring goods from suppliers, which will make almost impossible
    for small suppliers to deal with these big retailers.
    This is my personal experience. We have a business in Mumbai and
    we tried to become one of the supplier to a big retailers of India.
    1. To be their supplier, the local purchaser has to be bribed.
    2. The godown incharge where you deliver the goods has to bribed, otherwise
    he will keep your trucks waiting for hours before unloading your goods.
    3. Brible is paid to the quality controller who will inspect your goods, otherwise
    for a very very minor mistake your whole consignment will be rejected.
    4. Credit for six months.
    5. If I sell them goods of one crore in a month, I need atleast six crore of
    capital just to deal with one party.
    6. Supplier is suppose to give them the guarantee of the x amount of goods
    which has be supplied to them at one week’s notice. Supplier has to always keep
    that much stock whtether he gets a order or not. There is a penalty clause if
    your not able to fullfill such orders in time. To avoid this penalty supplier will have to always keep that stock which will require more capital.

    Who will be the major beneficiaries :
    Big real estate owners who will lease their properties.
    Big suppliers — who will become new middle men– will buy from small suppliers at low prices and resale those goods to these big retailers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are absolutely right. The biggest problem for SMEs while dealing with the biggies is of finance. The six month credit is the norm, which will knock the bottom off of most small units. Then there is the truth about ‘quality’, which can be ensured only by palm-greasing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Very true. I have supplied building material to two Indian chains. 4 months minimum waiting time…for payment.

    I think they need to get their act together.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan,
    you are very right. Corruption in private sectors is the elephant in the room that no one talks about.
    By the way, have you read Engrich’s post on corruption below? Seems like, he is coming around to recognising how terrible corruption is for a country.
    Corruption distorts market forces.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Yes I read his post. I think this is just a temprory phase,
    he will be back to normal very soon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan and Ashish

    I think it is madness to take this Engrich seriously. He is a Jehadi T U R D who wants to drive a wedge between HIndus and SIkhs and amongst Hindus by creating a Dalit vs Upper caste fight.

    he had declared once that his real name was Moot-andar Hussain TU RD. Ravi his soulmate had acknowledged that Engrich, Ram Autar and Tajendra are one. In short along with his ideological mentor,Ravi, they are a four headed Hijra.

    So when he posts anti Hindu propaganda as Tajendra he is basically trying to create a Hindu-Sikh divide.

    When he tries to post anti Hindu propaganda under the name of Ram autar, he is trying to create a divide amongst Hindus, becasue he feels that the caste barriers are dissolving and he must create them again.

    The two jehadis– Ravi and Engrich move in coordinated flanks, adorning different garbs. Motive– hurt India and Hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    aap sab brahmnst, zionst propaganda ke shikar ban gaye hain.

    Only a few, who are otherwise called congressie trolls, can see these two for what they are: true patriots, who daily sing Vande Mataram at wake up time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    The four headed Hijra is squirming bcos NATO has bombed the Taliban…

    Anonymous Reply:

    With the monthly dole for Pakistan itself in doubt now with the stupid arrogance shown by Kayani and Khar, the ISI can stop all doles to these two jihadis turds, Ram Autar and fake Ravi.

    It would be interesting to see what kind of rants these jihadis will now dish out and how loudly the congressie troll will clap.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic Rant of a Hindu Fundo, who has nothing better to do than gali gilouj.

    Never ever responds to content, always focuses on personalities.

    Anonymous Reply:

    nothing you cannot, with your ISI training, match with your favourite theme song, “5000 dalit rapes every day by caste Hindus in India”.

    Ravi Reply:

    You fall in the same category. No content just gali giloj

    Anonymous Reply:

    I keep reminding you – what else are you expecting – scholarly discourses and reasoned arguments from those whose first line of defence is abuse?

    Ravi Reply:

    Not at all Manohar, scholarly debate is beyond their capabilites.

    I do expect abuse.

    I just remind other readers that these people are not interested in debate, they are just interested in the Person and that leads to abuse, etc.

    The bait people to try and elicit abuse from them, I sued to respond in kind. I no longer do that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    By your jihadi rants if you think you appear scholarly, you are utterly mistaken. You are taken for what you are- a jihadi with an agenda to divide Hindus and Sikhs and carry on anti-Hindu rant.

    The same goes for your side-kick, the congressie troll, who can be relied upon to clap for every one of your rants here.

    Scholarly, my foot!

    Ravi Reply:

    You are simply pathetic

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi
    If reconfirmation was ever needed – it is here below.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    You tell me why muth andar hussain TU RD should post under the name of Ram Autar and Tajendra?

    And then abuse India and Hindus.

    Is it not an agenda to create hatred between Hindus and Sikhs as well as create an artifical caste divide?

    Only Ravi cooes and applaude Muthandar Hussain TU RD

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Just one question. If someone jumps into the well. will you follow him. Sorry, justifying your own actions based upon someone else’ s actions, is not on.

    Don’t we see this repeating ad nauseam – that happend earlier, so this happened now and is justifiable . You get the point what I am hinting at. Two wrongs do not make a right.

    My apologies for the homily, you are intelligent enough to understand. I need not say it again.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But u have still not answered my basic question. why should muth andar hussain **** post under a fake sikh , christian and Dalit name. in such a manner to promote hatred between hinus and others?

    Anonymous Reply:

    It only goes to show how well the ISI has trained its jihadis.

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    engrich Reply:

    ashish in kerry lugar bill,pakis are getting 7.5 billion in period of 5 yrs.
    corruption sucks 500 blns early.

    my path is chinese path,where ,death is the punishment for corruption.
    indian path of anna hazare is conspiracy.rajiv ghandhi promoted 53 judges 52 were brhmns.this looks brhmncl conspiracy.
    pakistani liberals have eaten nearly all institution completely.chines ways is only way.
    how can they fight,when many of them have palaces in 1700 acres of land.
    they cannot defeat haqqani group or talibanthey have only ,
    dadhi(beard)
    zhadi(bush) and
    pahadi(forests) and war is the only industry they have after years of destruction
    by international democrates.

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    engrich Reply:

    cases against financial corruption must be finished within 6 months and perpetuator must be hang publicily.i know corruption has eaten very vitals of our society.
    judges cannot be trusted.fzal guru case is example.he was not provided with defense attorney.which is his fundamental right nd given capital punishment ,while he has not killed anybody.

    kasab requested again and again to verify his cd through international
    lab.he claimed it was forged.but this request was not accepted.why patil used to go to meet him in jail is unexplained so far.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is how most businesses in India are run. Existing entities will always try and protect their own turf. It becomes very difficult for a new entrant to get a foot in(*). As you are aware, these bribes are passed off as expenses under heads such as business development, entertainment, etc.

    * One of the companies, where my friend is employed have faced similar hurdles while trying to supply equipment to a company (not AAI) running airports in India.

    Multi-location big retailers would certainly look for assured and timely supplies of goods given the volumes (they cannot afford to have any item out-of-stock in their outlets). Hence, some of the stringent conditions could be justified (this six month credit period seems to be too long, however). Having one or less number of big suppliers may have its advantages for the retailers – they do not have to track supplies from large number of suppliers. Though with computerisation it should not be a problem

    Having said that – greasing the palms of the line staff to ensure “smooth operations” is surely criminal and is no different from everyday corruption (speed money) the citizens have to face day in and day out when dealing with government authorities. Bribing the main suppliers is akin to buying off ministers/bureaucrats.

    In your particular case, perhaps the big daddy (local purchaser) may be a relative/close friend of the owners. Just speculating.

    The question is – with more big retailers in the market place, will this corruption will increase or decrease?

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  • Anonymous

    Many disturbing news during the week (the leasdt of it the FDI in retail) -
    - Mr Devvraj,senior engineer of Bangalore Corp who submitted a report on the multcrore rupee scandal /scam in bangalore corporation regarding fake construction bills is ridiculed by MLAs/Corporation members belonging to both BJP and congress (both have been stealing) (shenoy, any light into this?)
    - A high risk situation with a dam potentially flooding three populous Kerala districts; with nobody doing anything about this other than mutual accusations (bbetween kerala and Tamil nadu! as if theya re two diff sovereign countries)
    - the connecrtion between several young Muslim boys and Karachi based terrror cells/bombing of pune German bakery, and three other bombings – the leader of the terrorist group being a RICH Muslim from Bhatkal (JNUtypes will still sy poverty drives terrorism)–

    And the news about Egyptian elections – Muslim Brotherhood seems to have obtained a decisive majority in their parliament — so much for Arab spring! Al Queda’s chief Al Zawahari started as a Muslim Brotherhood member!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “And the news about Egyptian elections – Muslim Brotherhood seems to have obtained a decisive majority in their parliament — so much for Arab spring”!

    Saudi Arabia must be laughing all the way to the mosque.

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    engrich Reply:

    in libya alqaida flgs are flying over goverment building.belhaj ,alqaida terrorist has been sent to syria alongwith 700 snipers sharpshooters and cia death squads to syria ,to demolish progressive socialist secular goverment of syria.bring evil extremist and terrorists and islamists to power through so called democracy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistan must be flexing its muscles all the way to the training camp!

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    engrich Reply:

    A high risk situation with a dam potentially flooding three populous Kerala districts

    this is only media news when enquiry will go deeper ,true perpetuators onf this heinous crime will be caught,that will be rss.rss agents in police and media fabricate these stories.

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    engrich Reply:

    And the news about Egyptian elections – Muslim Brotherhood seems to have obtained a decisive majority in their parliament — so much for Arab spring! Al Queda’s chief Al Zawahari started as a Muslim Brotherhood member!
    THIS PUBLIC RESPONSE TO CORRUPTION IN PUBLIC LIFE.THAT WAY HINDU TERRORIST ALSO STAND GOOD CHNCE.

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    engrich Reply:

    pune blast is done by rss,u will come to know sooner or later.rss is the only terrorist organization in india.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ AS PREDICTED BY ME– The Congress has stifled TIMES NOW ~~~
    ==============================================================

    Two blogs back I had predicted that the libel case against Times Now of 100 crores would be used by the COngress to arm twist it.

    Those who are watching it for the past few days would see that Times Now has changed course now. Sad that Congress has managed to stiffle Arnab, the true voice of India.

    He is now forced to take the COngress line.

    Vinodji… are you happy or sad about this?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arnab Goswami was forced to ‘air’ for half an hour “why this kolaveri di’ on prime time!

    why, Arnab, this kolaveri Di?
    kahaan gayi woh chhaDi,
    jis se tumne unka kamar thi toDi?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    As usual excellent and pertinent

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  • Anonymous

    The evil ice.
    —————–

    When you drink vodka over ice, it can give you kidney failure.
    When you drink rum over ice, it can give you liver failure.
    When you drink whiskey over ice, it can give you heart problems.
    When you drink gin over ice, it can give you brain problems.

    Apparently, ice is really bad for you.
    Warn all your friends.

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  • engrich

    terrorist modi is right.GUJRAT IS SPECIAL.

    Gujarat cops can’t be trusted, CBI to probe Ishrat case: HC

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ram Autar,

    when your military itself is running for cover, why do you bother about Modi’s police?

    The Home Secretary has told the HC that Ishrat was a terrorist and was hosting other terrorists from Pakistan.

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    engrich Reply:

    bullshit.19yr old girl without any arms could be arrested.deads cannot defend themselve.submit any poof.brhmnst in ib play this game.

    where is money extractor amit shah.

    modi is different.home minister using goons and his police to make money.

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    engrich Reply:

    The Home Secretary has told the HC that Ishrat was a terrorist

    did he submitted any proof supporting his claim.if not can submit now.

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  • Anonymous

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD NEWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ~~~
    ===================================================

    US does not apologise to Pakistan. But shows this as a revenge for death fo the seals !!

    Jolly good !! Bloody Good !!

    Dear Ravi autar Engrich. Run for cover. Muridke may be next !!

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    engrich Reply:

    villian is beaten at the end.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    dear Engrich autar Ravi

    Four headed, why dont u post under ur real name of muth andar hussain ****????

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  • Anonymous

    GOOOOOOOOOD NEWWWWWWWWWWWWS
    —————————————————————————-

    Rajiv Shukla has told the Times TV that the government is actively considering putting the FDI issue ON HOLD.

    If MMS knows about it, ie. if Sonia Gandhi has cared to tell him after asking Shukla to announce it, it means the UPA government has developed cold feet and considers, even at this late stage that DISCRETION IS BETTER PART OF VALOUR.

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  • Anonymous

    What the ex bank manager from Konkan writes is simply BOLLOCKS.
    Anand Sharma came to NDTV today and had a free ride with barkha backhander dutt..
    In fact his job wasn’t difficult at all , a bit like Barcelona playing Churchill brothers of Goa.
    Also this whole thing shows HOW UNPATRIOTIC BJP IS, the LEFT IS GADDAR EVERYONE KNOWS, NOW WE KNOW THE TRUE FACE OF BJP.
    I mean even if Supermarket chains come , it wont be for another FIVE YEARS till the first outlet is opened.INDIA NEEDS TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THINGS.
    THE FEDERAL STRUCTURE .I think HEALTH AND EDUCATION SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT FROM THE HANDS OF STATES , AND MANGED BY THE CENTRE.
    This will ensure UNIFORMITY AND ALSO 15% OF gdp NEEDS TO GO INTO IT.
    Need to tax the rich and the corporates.
    BONFIRE OF ALL ANTIQUATED LAWS.
    I was taking out my OWN MONEY which i had deposited over the years in POUND STERLING in HSBC bank.
    One of the papers i had to fill in had a declaration “THIS MONEY WILL NOT BE USED FOR IMMORAL PURPOSES” , sounds like BANANA REPUBLIC doesn’t it.Even it were used for paying off tarts , is CBI going to come to UK to investigate.
    THERE ARE COUNTLESS SUCH UTTER BULL SHIT IN EVERY FACET OF LIFE, WHICH NEEDS TO BE EXPUNGED.
    Regarding Corruption in PRIVATE SECTOR , DO REMEMBER IT IS MANNED BY INDIANS. In UK the NRI centres of HSBC is a real joke , YOU WILL NEVER FIND ANYBODY TO TALK TO, The difference in service between NRI centres and LOCAL GORA centres ARE JUST LIKE HSBC INDIA AND BANK OF INDIA OR STATE BANK BRANCHES IN INDIA.
    Maybe 500 yrs of gulami , or the vile caste system, INDIANS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF HONOUR , AND WORK ETHICS, FOR THAT MATTER ETHICS OF ANY KIND.That is why we see the THIRD WORLD PARLIAMENTARIANS , whose only preoccupation is disprupting parliament FOR ANYTHING ELSE WILL DEMAND THE USE OF PHILBUT which is of same quality as that of Balwinder
    Let the abuse begin(with due acknowledgment to Ravi for borrowing his phrase)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    1) Until now, I used to consider Anand Sharma has just another minister being one solely on the strength of his loyalty. The above mentioned programme has shown that he surely knows his onions.

    2) During his yesterday’s “Bharat Bandh”, outlets in Nagpur belonging to Nitin Gadkari’s Purti Group did not shut shop – it was business as usual.
    Talk of commitment and conviction to the cause.

    Whether Bandhs serve any useful purpose is a different matter altogether. To me, it is like cutting one’s nose to spite the face. No purpose is served and only deprives the daily wage earners the livelihood.

    3) You are right, it will take a few years for the international chains to set up shop and make a difference (if at all).

    4) Regarding work ethics and honour, one cannot paint all of them with one brush. A substantial percentage of the population are upright and would not indulge in any hanky-panky.

    5) Regarding domains like Education, Health, etc., they are on the concurrent list. Putting them on the central list exclusively will serve no purpose, the central government cannot be everywhere.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is because:

    The BJP confuses Political shenanigans with Political Opposition

    The BJP confuses Political Nautanki with Political Opposition.

    It is a single AGENDA party which flounders when faced with any other issues.

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    Ravi Reply:

    SHENOY

    Please note, the above is an EXAMPLE of a CONSIDERED point by point response to a serious, scholarly post. Leading to a proper debate, of what ever length.

    The way you respond is at best argumentative, but mostly it is abusive to the other person. You come across as a political goonda who all too readily resorts to Gali Giloj.

    Your approach is if you can not counter the point being made attack the person.

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    Ravi Reply:

    SHENOY

    Please note, the above is an EXAMPLE of a SCHOLARLY approach to debate.

    What you indulge in is, at best title tattle of the he said this to him and then again he said this to the other variety

    You are a baiter and a very obvious and extremely poor agent provocateur.

    You are a victim of propaganda and in turn have become a caricature of a propagandist.

    BTW how is your foot.

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  • engrich

    LUCKNOW: In a state ruled by a Dalit chief minister, a 14-year-old Dalit boy was allegedly murdered merely because he shared his name with an upper caste neighbour in Basti on Thursday. The accused, Neeraj Chaudhary (25), is unemployed, and belongs to a backward caste himself.

    The teenager’s body was found in the forests on the outskirts of Raghupur village in Lalganj area of Basti on November 23. He was identified as Neeraj Kumar, son of a vegetable vendor Ram Sumer.

    A student of Class VII at a government school, Neeraj had left the house after dinner on November 22, to watch TV at a classmate’s house. He was untraceable ever since.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mayawati has no time for such “minor aberrations’. She is so busy installing her own statues, where is the time?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Maywati only learnt this art from Motlial-jawhar-kamala- Indira-rajiv – sanjay-sonia who ahve about 1000000 statues and bldgs named after them. Hope she learns from Atal Bihari and Advani who did not go into this ego trip and wasted public money and named bldgs after themselves.

    Even true national heroes like Shyam Prasad Mukherji and Sardar Patel have few statues …

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    Ravi Reply:

    The juxtapositioning of Sardar Patel with Shyama Prasad Mukherji is noted.

    Old trick, just new names. Let a villain bask in reflected glory.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree it is disgusting to see so many monuments and institutions named after Nehru-Gandhi family.

    No living leader has ever gone on a megalomaniacal trip like Mayawati.

    How can Sardar Patel – an out and out Congressman to the core has become a true national hero to you? You have always given the impression that Congress and Congressmen are on top of your hate-list. Just wondering.

    engrich Reply:

    dont blame mayawati.these incidence are result of injections of manusmiriti which we are given from last 3000 years.even muslims and christians and sikhs are infected.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, on Muslim brotherhood winning elections in Egypt “Saudis must be laughing all the way to the mosque” Incisive sirji, troubled times. Egyptians I meet in mybusiness travels are very moderate, friendly, bollywood loving pro India folk. Not sure anymore now.
    ..but Manohar, you disappoint when u use phrase like hindu rate of growth. This silly term was coined by Brits in sixties to sneer, why we indians parrot it? What we call 9 percent growth now, MARTIAN ??
    Shan of cingulate singularly stuck up white man bottom, happy with another post slamming Indians. You have less respect than engrich on blog now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Egyptians
    ——————-
    I know the Egyptians are moderate and friendly having met and known them. For the past of couple of decades with moderate and modern party(s) in power, all they got to see as to how the system was abused, insensitive and corrupt leadership, hence they might have decided give the Muslim Brotherhood a chance – never mind their core ideology – ancient, orthodox, etc. After seeing both sides, in a couple of years, they will know to make right choices.

    The voters of India also tried out a similar experiment in late 1990s to see the other side of the fence – whether the grass was greener. Rest is history, as they say.

    Hindu Rate of Growth.
    ——————————
    Please get your facts right first. The term was coined by Indian economist – Raj Krishna (and not by the British). It refers to average growth rate of 3.5% from the 50s and 80s. The use of the word Hindu may be incorrect, however it has become a part of the lexicon and is simply used as a benchmark of the days gone by.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Would you not consider the possibility that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood has changed, perhaps not as much as one would like, but the movement is in the right direction.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have not studied or read enough about them to know whether they have indeed changed for the better. Do you have any evidence in support? The proof of the pudding is in the eating. So we have to wait and see. The time starts now.

    Ravi Reply:

    I believe there has been some movement. Ideology is being diluted and pragmatism is being adopted.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    This may be of interest to you.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/world/middleeast/egypts-muslim-brotherhood -keeps-distance-from-salafis.html

    engrich Reply:

    america creates situations where religious fanatics win the election.same they did in iraq,now in afghanistan.libya now in hands of alqaida.qaddafi was not corrupt did lot for his people and people of africa.so genocidal bombing was used.as people were not revolting.before rss was created by them.

    liberal secular dictators are hearless thieves who dont care for common man.in a poor country husni mubarak was worth of 97billion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Because they don’t eat pigs, but allow them to grow wings and fly.

    Ravi Reply:

    Another scholarly contribution from a Hindu Fundo

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is indeed a scholarly discourse. Must be a part of some doctoral thesis on pigs. I pity the pigs.

    engrich Reply:

    hindu is nationality not religio.some evil divisive brhmns made it religion.vedics, islam sikh is religion.word britain cannot be religion.people who live within geogoriphal boundries of india are hindu.whether they read holy quran or guru granth saheb or vedas.,

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    engrich Reply:

    because american agression and humiliation muslim support muslim parties. moreover it is only they who fight and lay down their lives for the cause of common people.moulvi live among poors,help them on all occasion.take their support.

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  • Anonymous

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    ~~~ WHY OBAMA NOT APOLOGISING IS A TURNING POINT ~~~
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    Pakistan, the land of conspiracy theories and fake martyrs is now truly at crossroads.

    Either it is back to marshal law and Kiyani rule …

    Or

    It faces upto truths, that it is a hated jehadi monster.

    The NATO attack on its soldiers was deliberate to show it its true place. I can bet my last fake currency not from the ISI press in Muridke, that the Pakistanis deliberately provoked the attack or at least fired first. Good that Obama has taken a stern stance. Otherwise Pakistan would hae acted as a fake martyr and got away again !

    Ab Kiyani ki kahani to purani ho gayi :) So it is better that Pakistan changes.

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    engrich Reply:

    but stoppage of supply has put them in trouble.russia is also threatening them.
    america is story of arrogance super power.mast hathi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good. Pakistanis need to be bombed in their terror camps and ISI headquarters. :)

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy sahab

    ek poem ho jaye. I am giving you the first lines. Arz hai….

    Gilani Kayani ki kahaani
    Toh puraani, puraani ho gayi…. :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    मां आज मुझे सुनाओ एक ऐसी ही कहानी
    जिस में शिनोय हो राजा और विजय हो रानी

    जिस में FDI का चर्चा तो भरपूर हो
    ज़रा सा भी न हो ज़िक्र-ऐ-कयानी

    जिस में अपनी समस्यओं पर करें गोर
    और भूल जाएँ के हमारे पडोसी हैं पाकिस्तानी

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tota Maina ki kahani
    Toh purani purani ho gayi…

    Ab Ravi toh Tajendra ki rani rani ho gayi !!
    Tota maina ki kahaani toh purani ho gayi !!

    Tajendra to raaton ka raaja..
    Ravi raaton ki raani…
    yeh Laila Majnu ki kahani
    Sab ki zubaani ho gayi…

    Tota maina ki kahaani toh purani ho gayi!!
    Engrich bhi in dono ki dewaani ho gayi !!!!!!!!

    HAHAHHHA HAHHAHH HAAAA !!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    I bet you laugh every time you ****.

    Infantile twerp

    Anonymous Reply:

    No I laugh everytime I make u cry !! :)

    HAHAHHA A!

    Ravi Reply:

    Your entire Kunba could not do that.

    You do make me feel sad

    engrich Reply:

    par in dono ko aati hai yahee ek kahani.

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  • Ravi

    Arao

    Just to respond to some of your points:

    Existing retail companies do not have this money??? Any company which has a well thought out Business Plan is able to go to the Money market, as well as their existing share holders and raise funds. So I am not sure why you think that this is an FDI issue.

    There is no price difference If the road side shops are able to compete with Super markets then that can only be good news, is that not what you believe?

    directly procuring from farmers your point seems that all the profit previously made by a myriad of middle men will dis-appear from the chain. If no value is being added by the middle men (brokers/agents) then how can this be a bad thing. Furthermore, Supermarkets will stock a wide variety of good which are not farm goods and they may still be procured via wholesalers/consolidators.

    What difference will it make to existing retail giants? The same difference if a NEW INDIAN BUSINESS had entered the retail sector. The fact that under the FDI it will be foreign competitors should only have a beneficial impact on other Indian Business’s in this sector.

    dumping ground Your fear that out of date and sub-standard goods will be dumped in India, then does not already happen and in the future a simple legislation should be able to cover it.

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  • Anonymous

    The last time when the PM of India staked his personal prestige on an issue ,it was the Indo -US Nuclear Deal. To convert his Minority Govt . to a Majority one he had engaged the services of Dalla Raja and the country was witness to the” Cash for Votes” Scam , in which if it had not been for a pliant Delhi Police , who refuse to investigate the source of the money , he and his co- conspirators and abettors would be in serious trouble.
    Now what trick does he have up his sleeve.Dalla Raja is in Singapore , nursing his kidneys. The hunt for the new Dalla Raja is on. Mamata refuses to play ball. He is again renegading on the Lokpal as the JanLokpal would sound the death knell of his masters. Gives more credence to the theory that he wishes to go down as a martyr for the cause of Walmart , rather than go down fighting the charge of defending corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Amar Singh Dhala is back. Now he is a majnu with a beard. he is part of the Sarkari JOKEpal committee meant for protecting him and others like him and Yuvraj. yesterday he was on TV along with Manu Singhvi.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    A national hero is a national hero and Patel is surely one. I never divide heroes on religious or party lines. Bhagat Singh was a member of the Communist party. he still remains my hero.

    Yes as far naming goes, the Nehru family and its Chamchas take the cake. Mayawati is a megaloman iac as she is doing what Saddam did. But she learnt it from the Nehrus. That a myth could be built by obliterating the contributions of others so history only remembers the visible. Like Nehrus did to Patel.
    .
    I nearly lost my first job when in a meeting I suggested that the particular building we were constructing could well be named after Patanjali– the founder of Yoga.

    My favourite character– the all time dunce– Mani Silencer Aiyar– representing the government and chairing the meeting gave me a glare reserved for people to be thrown out for violating rules of existence.

    “This can be named after Nehru or Rajiv… as they did so much for the country.” He announced. And that was it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I think a distinction needs to be made here between National Heros and Political Heros. In case of certain individuals the distinction between the two gets blurred.

    Take the case of JL Nehru, besides being a Post Independence Political Leader, he was very active in Freedom Struggle and for that alone he merits to be regarded as a National Hero. In that respect Nehru and Shaheed Bhagat Singh fall in the same category.

    Indira Gandhi; despite her heroic conduct during the war, remains a Political Leader and therefore at par with Atal Bihari Vajpai. In statue and monuments she probably hogs greater space than Vajpai does.

    IMHO, Mayawati is in a different category. She is motivated by an attempt to redress century’s worth of imbalance that has put her community in a state persistent dis-advantage. Whilst there probably is a very very large dollop of her own ego involved, but the proliferation of statues is a means to create visibility of Dalit Heros in our general gaze.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I will buy your argument to certain extent about Sardar Patel. As Ravi suggested that there is a difference between National Heroes and Political Heroes, and has given apt examples of the two. What the BJP has been trying to do by attempting to appropriate Sardar Patel as their own and turn him into a Political hero from a National hero. – Loh Purush and Chhote Sardar, et al.

    I have not been able to understand your (and your fellow travellers’) pathological hatred (and obsession with) of the Nehru-Gandhi family purely on the grounds a person belongs to it – I can only guess. Why not analyze each one on their own merits and demerits? For example, I have said this many times before, I consider Indira Gandhi to be the worst Prime Minister we have had, does it mean I should also label Pandit Nehru also the worst? (I have views on other members of the family too). No, Sir.

    You are entitled to hold your views on what (real or imaginary) Gandhi and Nehru did to Patel. I do not agree. Surely, Nehru and Patel had their differences and why not, both were independent minded and thinkers. Yet didn’t Patel work under Nehru – that is part of his greatness.

    To bash their objects of hate, a scenario is being bandied about as to how this land would have been full of honey and happiness if Sardar Patel would have been the Prime Minister. Why not worse of? How does one know? One could argue it would have been even better if Dr. Ambedkar or Acharya Kripalani or …. would have occupied the chair.

    What have you to say to the fact that in early 60s, Pandit Nehru was the one who had predicted that Atal Behari Vajpayee would one day become the Prime Minister of India, given the fact that Jan Sangh’s number in the parliament were always in single digits. His prediction was based on his performance as a MP.

    There is another little known fact about Vajpayee, which you may not be aware of. When he was the External Affairs Minister during the Janta Party government (1977-1980), a framed portrait of Nehru (along with the ‘mandatory’ portraits Mahatma Gandhi, the President, etc.) occupied the pride of place in his office in South Block. Remember, Nehru always held the portfolio of the External Affairs in addition. The fact other RSS/Jan Sangh members were mighty displeased with it and they tried to convince him to remove it, he did not oblige. Would you slam Vajpayee for showing his deference to a person, who it seems you love to hate? I would like an answer to this.

    What is disgusting is not what he sycophants say or do, but the acquiescence by the family.

    I do not know whether Mayawati learnt the dirty tricks of the trade from Nehru-Gandhi family (in your lexicon the fountainhead of all evil this country has ever had – am I right?). Perhaps you know better.

    Vijay and Ravi

    What Mayawati has done by despicable self-glorification is a matter of degree. This may be politically-incorrect to say, but the fact is that most of the leaders (from within) of the disadvantaged sections of the society, who took up cudgels on their behalf have utterly failed them – all they have done is to enrich themselves (by foul means mostly) and their families and their cronies – the poor be damned. Mulayam building a airport for jets(!) in his village is no different from Mayawati erecting her own statues.

    People are not blind, they may get fooled for a few years and these leaders are shown the door – Lalu is a prime example.

    Ravi, there are enough statues of Dr. Ambedkar all over the country, so one may not need those of Mayawati. I do not agree that this sort of visibility is required. I am against statues per se. That money could well be spent in creating even basic infrastructure – like primary schools and health centres – let these be named after Mayawati in UP for example; for all I care.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Like you I am not into statues, etc and believe that money can be better spent in infrastructure projects.

    I do also accept that Dr Ambedkar has a fair amount of monuments erected in his memory, but they are still all of HIM and HIM only. Many statues of a Dalit hero is not the same as ONE statue each of Many Dalit Heros.

    With Mayawati it becomes TWO heros (however tainted one of them may be). Like wise is RSA many statues of Nelson Mandella do not have the same effect as One Statue each of many Black Heros, like Steve Biko to name just one.

    Mayawati is practising cult of personality politics and sees statue building as a means to achieve that. Like you say, she’d fail

    Note: One of the first thing the Iraqis did after Sadam was deposed, was to pull down his statue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The people who believe – more the merrier – should read and pay heed to GK Chesterson’s 1909 masterpiece

    The Advantages of having One Leg

    http://www.gkc.org.uk/gkc/books/one_leg.html

    I am sure you and others must have read it. It was one of the essays for the English Literature course in my SSC examinations.

    If there were two Taj Mahals, then one would turn around and say – what else is new.

    ————-

    The similar fate would befall to the parks and statues – any other dispensation in UP would be loathed to allocate funds for something which for all purposes is party specific monument. It might be too expensive for Mayawati to maintain them or may be not – the ‘vulgar’ amount of money she is alleged to have made would come in handy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    if Ram Autar **** ’s posts, anti-Hindu as they were and always are, are harmless rants, why did Vinod ji threw him out of his blog? Was Vinodji too an RSS agent?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Because you led a campaign of intolerance and almost blackmailed Vinod Sharma into doing it.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Yes, Tajinder’s anti hindu rants are intolerable. Whatever may be the topic of the day, he will come calling names to hinduism and different hindu communities and will try to sow the seeds of disharmony. Need of the hour is to forge unity not amongst hindus only but amongst different communities, which call India their home. Few people here, have only this agenda to sow the seeds of anarchy. As long as Tajinder restricts himself to economy, foreign policy, fiscal policy, he has freedom to contribute but the moment he transgresses to mudslinging on different communities in general and hindus in particular, he becomes person non grata.

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    engrich Reply:

    Few people here, have only this agenda to sow the seeds of anarchy

    pankaj only brhmnst and rss has this agenda.that is why i am against them.they are also caught and serving jail term.days of modi are numbered.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    Vinodji couldn’t be bamboozled into expelling Tajender **** if the fake Hindu/fake Sikh was not the lowly creature born in the filthiest Pakistani gutter spewing anti-Hindu hatred here on his blog.

    Fake Ravi too, if you remember, was almost expelled, only to be asked by Vinodji to reform or else…..

    Unfortunately, the same Tajender **** is n ow back as engrich soiling the blog with his hatred-filled posts, ably supported by fake Ravi and clapped from the side line by the congressie troll.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic and all in your head

  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    “But u have still not answered my basic question. why should muth andar hussain **** post under a fake sikh , christian and Dalit name. in such a manner to promote hatred between hinus and others”?

    We have gone down this road before.

    1) I am not his keeper.
    2) Fake name, alias or pseudo name – what difference does it make? Let him use any alias he likes – Cleopatra, Stalin, Ching Chao, etc. Why do you get upset? Debate what he writes or ignore it. Do not provide anyone the fodder.
    3) Are you so gullible that (or need his help of) his posts (rants, if you like) to actually make you hate other communities?

    If someone abuses me for example (thankfully it has almost stopped – when I started royally ignoring the known culprits), it is more of a reflection on the abuser and his credentials/mindset than the target i.e. me. If it gives him the pleasure to do so, let him enjoy his momentary two-seconds under the sun, I do not wish to deprive them of the “little fun” they wish to have at my expense. I am still what I am.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I think we were talking about his intentions. If Engrich’s intention is so evil… I wont give him space… but just keep exposing him and making fun of him till he dies of shame :)

    I see thru his game. Many first time visitors will feel that there is a Sikh trying to say bad things about HIndus. Or a Dalit abusing Hinduism.

    This is what the ISI agenda is. Promote hatred amongst communities. I think by experimenting on Tajendar/Engirch we can learn a lot about Pakistan. Especially why it will never change.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Intentions or well planned conspiracy or ISI agenda or whatever – what difference does it make? Promoting hatred is not a very successful to me here, just because someone is “trying” to sow the seeds. You plan of action does not seem to be working either, he and your other objects of hate are still around and very much alive and kicking.

    I have no problem with him around – how to interpret what he or for that matter anyone else says (with whatever intentions or motives) is a matter of individual judgment and is to be dealt accordingly.

    One can question your intentions or motives too, but let us not go into that. For me what you write is important, not what your intentions or motives or agenda is. My motto is simple – do not shoot the messenger.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I am seriously dooing a thesis on brain nueral commands of suicide bombers.

    one bomber my guru interiviewed in Tihar jail was convinced that jannat has bakras of 200 kilo weight and well 72, while life on earth was bakwas.

    I think as I get more of the psychology of Engrich– I can make contirbutions to this global hunt for reverse brainwashing jehadis and duicide bombers…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wijay.

    Sorry. For me, your comment is not worth the paper it is written on and hence I will not respond.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I am serious. I am doping research on the human mind with psychiatrists. That is what gets me onto blog sites to understand hidden motivations.

    We have interviewed suicde bombers. I am just quoting one I met.

    Ravi Reply:

    A pathetic Sanghi unable to change his abusive psychology.

    You are a genuine Kahppaonda

    engrich Reply:

    manohar jee i never abuse anybody unless and untill provocated.i never insulted vijay jee.i also dont see any future conspiracy about his.bloggers here are not so childish as he think of them.i wrote many times that i am wife fearing (not god)muslim.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What can I say. Perhaps, if you do not get provoked and ignore their abuse or rants, they will stop, hopefully. Just hoping.

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    engrich Reply:

    I NEVER REPLIED VIJAY .HE IS NOT WORTH WASTING TIME..ONLY WITH RAJIV I HAD ARGUMENTS SOMETIMES.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    I think you should do some soul searching on what you are gaining in your attempt to create hindu sikh fissures or fissures in HInduism by pretending to be a Dalit martyr.

    U you change– have a drink– tell Mullah omar to have a rum and coke,

    Engirch zindagi chotti hai. Jhoot fareb mein na toh allah milega na izzat. Kick the ISI in the bum, leave jehadi thoughts and adopt Amir khan as ur hero. Not Gadaffi, Osama or Hafeez Saeed…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    Some good advise but some grossly inappropriate.

    I am sure you will not ask a Hindu Purohit to eat a beef burger, or will you?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I would tell the purohit to have rum and chajj..

    Beef is not desirable as meats are cancer causing…

    Anyway ISI and Mulla omar are both terrorist organisations and have no parallel… much less anything to with a Hindu purohit.

    Ravi Reply:

    Now you made me laugh.

    engrich Reply:

    vijay ghaddafi was great man an african legend.he will be remembered in history.ossama was against america not india.he even had no grudge against hindus.otherwise millioms of hindus working in saudia could not stay.
    u people were hating him why.
    hafiz saeed willhave bad end.but war is big racket and only industry,which provides employment to the victims of american
    imperialism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Errr…. Engrich… I think either u had too much rum and coke OR fell into a tub of jehadi tonic :)

    Ravi Reply:

    Once again, even after an extremely rational and totally dispassionate explanation provided by Manohar, you choose to attack the person without even so much as an attempt to counter his points.

  • Anonymous

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    “What the ex bank manager from Konkan writes is simply BOLLOCKS.”

    Anand Sharma and Rajiv SHukla are two faces of the same confused government that is at its wit’s end.

    I had quoted Rajiv Shukla, who said that the FDI issue is being considered for keeping on hold.

    Now, read on: THIS IS TOI FRONT PAGE, BANGALORE EDITION.

    No rollback on FDI, but no rollout very soon
    Trinamool, DMK Reject PM’s Appeal
    TIMES NEWS NETWORK

    New Delhi: UPA partners Trinamool Congress and DMK rejected Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s appeal to drop their opposition to FDI in retail on Thursday, enhancing the possibility that the government may have to announce that it will not roll out the controversial decision.
    Although a formal notification to make the Cabinet decision operational has already been put off, the unrelenting opposition from Trinamool and DMK may force the government to put it in deep freeze to appease the allies whose combined strength of 37 in Lok Sabha can help the Centre prevail in a vote on BJP-sponsored adjournment motion.
    Both the Trinamool and DMK made plain their decision not to support the Cabinet decision at a meeting the PM held with allies to get them on board, accentuating fears of a prolonged logjam of Parliament and continuing legislative paralysis.
    Sources said the PM told Trinamool representative Sudip Bandopadhyaya to explain to his leader, West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee, that the Centre’s controversial decision imposed no obligation on her to let in foreign retail chains on her turf. He also said Banerjee should not come in the way of those states which may wish to benefit from the entry of foreign giants like Wal-Mart and Tesco. “Ours is a federal polity,” the PM is said to have argued.
    But Congress sources were doubtful the pitch would work with Banerjee, who has been vocal in her opposition to FDI in retail.A vocal opponent of the decision, she has upped her ante too high. Besides, she also has to contend with her principal rival, the Left, which along with BJP leads the resistance to allowing foreign retailers.
    Disturbingly for government, Trinamool’s sole representative in the Union Cabinet, railway minister Dinesh Trivedi who opposed the decision last week, did not attend the Cabinet meeting on Thursday.
    Likewise, DMK, which reiterated its opposition through T R Baalu at the meeting with the PM, has to factor in the opposition from its principal foe, Tamil Nadu chief minister J Jayalalithaa. The AIADMK boss has emerged as a strident opponent of the decision to allow FDI in retail.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi

    Very Interesting, which is up your street.

    India could be China if it was less democratic: Mahathir

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/India-could-be-China-if-it-was-less-democratic-Mahathir/Article1-776912.aspx

    Excerpt

    “Democracy does not always ensure stability and prosperity. He said that though democracy is the best form of government, it is not the easiest because people do not understand the limitations of democracy”,

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare blames Rahul Gandhi, says FDI row a ploy to block Lokpal Bill

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anna-Hazre-blames-Rahul-Gandhi-says-FDI-row-a-ploy-to-block-Lokpal-Bill/articleshow/10958837.cms

    What he says may be true. But these ’self appointed guardians’ of our society have not said a word against the stalling of the parliament by the opposition. Anyone knows why is it so?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Or, perhaps it is not the opposition which is responsible for it at all.

    Debate the issue – followed by a vote – Section 193. Undemocratic??

    Anna is wise enough to see through the Congressi plans.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome back.

    I have explained it before, perhaps you do not wish to read. So let us go down the same road to make it easier for you.

    Vijay Kumar, I believe, runs a Company. Or if you run a company yourself, ask your self.

    Ask him, does every executive decision (which he has been authorized to do so by the Board in the first place) of the Managing Director is questioned and voted upon by the Board of Directors on day to day to basis? Going further, is every decision (again allowed to do so by voting and approval in the previous AGMs) of the Board of Directors is questioned and voted by the shareholders again on day to day basis?

    Now replace, Managing Director by the Executive Branch – that is the Prime Minister and the Cabinet, Board of Directors by Parliament and Shareholders by citizens, and see if that makes sense to you. If not, then it is your problem, not mine.

    Last time, I related the following and asked you to answer, but
    there was a knowing silence from your side.

    Vajpayee’s cabinet took an executive decision to release the hostages and Jaswant Singh to accompany them to Kandahar. The question was, why was the parliament not called and the matter debated and voted under section X? Did the opposition go bonkers and stalled the parliament the next time it met? Do you have an answer?

    If you allow this sort of thing, then it will set a dangerous precedent for all times to come. The work of the governments (present and future including NDA/BJP if any) will come to a halt and the parliament will have to be in session for 365 days of the year and that may be of no use, as the opposition can stall decisions by disrupting it, just as they are doing today.

    Looking at your photo. If it is current, all I can say, you need to grow up, read and learn a lot of things, unless ……..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Allowing 51% FDI in retail has not been welcomed by a significantly large number of people represented by MPs in the parliament. It is not a normal day-to-day executive decision which can be taken without even discussing (and creating awareness and possibly consensus).

    Kandahar episode can’t be compared with this for the obvious reasons of urgency needed.

    I feel it is the treasury benches which is stalling the house proceedings because it clearly doesn’t have the numbers needed to face a vote on the issue.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Reread what I have said. Before going on and on, wait for him to answer or request Vijay Kumar to clarify it to you – you may have more faith in him than me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, it is my current photo and I certainly do learn a lot visiting this space.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry to say this – it does not look like you are a good learner. No hard feelings – it is my honest opinion, which you can trash it if you wish to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    This congressie troll is asking you about the ‘executive decision Vajapayee took to release 3 terrorists prisoners.

    It is worth reminding him that Indira Gandhi released 93000 Pak prisoners in an executive decision without consulting the parliament. Was it wise? Was it in the interests of the country? No congressie has ever dared to answer these questions.

  • Anonymous

    Engrich

    You wrote

    1) “people who live within geographical boundaries of India are Hindu, whether they read holy quran or guru granth saheb or vedas”.

    In brief, my personal views, which you or others may not agree with.

    Good thought. There has been problem though for the last 20 years or so. The right wing in India has distorted this to suit its agenda by attempting to mix religion with nationalism and patriotism, insisting that suzerainty of the Vedas be accepted by all and host of other conditions, before one can call himself/herself an Indian.

    That is why now the preferred nomenclature is Indian or Bhartiya if you like, but not Hindu.

    2) “hindu is nationality not religion. some evil divisive brhmns made it religion.vedics, islam sikh is religion.word britain cannot be religion.

    IMO, Hinduism is neither a nationality nor a religion in the strictest sense of the word. It is more generally accepted as a way of life. There are a very large number of strands / different practices under it. The fact is the right wing has been trying to make it a monolithic order with set practices and rituals – no diversity is to be tolerated.

    Coming to Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, etc. – I for one believe that the original protagonists did not wish to start a new religion or an order and themselves be worshiped. They were rather movements to reform the society and rid it of the evils or bad practices and make it more humane at that point in time. What followed after they were gone is a different matter altogether.

    In order that there is order in the society and given its diversity – religion, language, etc., today we have the Constitution of India (which is naturally religion neutral). In a sense, this can be considered the universal and supreme religion of Indians.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Beautifully written and an example as to how one can engage with Ram Autar (oh dear I must get this mask re-fitted, it keeps slipping) in a constructive manner and counter his wacky but interesting ideas.

    However, while reading your post the following thoughts occurred to me, so I will jot them down.

    1. I think there is a Historical view which suggests that the word Hindu (as distinct from Sanatan Dharm) had geographical rather than a religious origin. If one accepts that then what Ram Autar is saying is correct. The word Hindu is an evolution from the word Sindhu meaning the river Indus. There was a time, in our life time, when the two words Hindu and Sanatan Dharm meant different things. Our right wingers have successfully made them synonymous.

    2. You are right in so far as some spiritual leaders did not wish a break-away religion to be set-up, based on their teachings such as Mahavir, Gautam, Nanak, etc. did not start a new religion.

    Except, I am not sure that applies to Christianity and Islam. Whilst both were reformation movements, Jesus was – in his life time – proclaimed as a Messiah and a Son of God, and Mohammad, did say that he received messages from GOD. These two factors makes both Jesus and Mohammad as people who were aware that they were starting a new religious movements.

    Right wing Hinduism’s defence, previously tried and tested, was to absorb Buddhism, by designating Gautam as an avatar of Vishnu. Job done.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Hindu does have geographical origin, popularized by the Persians and the Arabs to refer to people living to the East of the Indus (SIndhu) river.

    I do not think that the right-wing (as we know them today) has been instrumental or to be blamed (if at all) for making Hindu and Sanatan Dharm synonymous.

    Your views on Christianity and Islam must be true.

    Nothing new for right wing in their attempts to rewrite history and mythology.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    A very good debate was going on so far on FDI. Infact, I was intimidated by the intellectual level of the debate. Then, this topic of bashing hindus crept in. Here, I can not remain silent. Your ire is seemingly, against hindu right but you always remain silent about right wingers of other faiths. That is intriguing. Do you represent, present congressi thinking in totality? I am trying to figure out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I was about to retire for the night, when I saw your post. I would respond in the morning.

    Good to have you back on the blog.

    Good night.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar;
    No, I am chastened thoroughly. Can not come back as regularly as I use to. Lost much time and focus in seemingly frivilous debate. But, as I like your posts on certain points, I will keep coming selectively. I am not writing from a pedestal but, really, these discussions, some time become frivilous.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    1) Frivolous posts have been the norm on this blog. The frivolity is primarily attacking the poster – abuse, question motives/intentions. I do not have to name the usual suspects. Debate be damned.

    Blaming one side or the other is standard excuse to justify. Without the frivolous posts, the navigation on the blog would be a breeze.

    2) The topic of Hindus crept when Vijay broached the topic in connection with his ongoing battles with Engrich and my views were sought by both.

    In this particular post, I did not talk of other religion(s) as that was not germane to the topic under discussion. Now you seem to have reached a conclusion that I do not talk of extremists of other religions. I have indeed talked about them in the previous blog. one does not have to be Congressi to point out the ills/misdeeds of one Hindus. Now that you specifically made a mention, here goes.

    Muslims in India have a acquired a siege mentality on account of events and injustices (real or imagined) within India and without for the last 20 years or so. The majority of them being from poor uneducated section have a greater degree of helplessness. Who do they turn to for security (mental and physical) and solace? Their religious leaders naturally. These enlightened and learned people take advantage of the situation – power over people is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

    The message is sent out that the solace and security lies in more rigorous practices of their religion to the almost exclusion of everything else. The problem is that current events and situations are sought to be interpreted as if they are happening 1500 years ago. Mode of dressing goes a sea change. Most do not protest because of mob mentality or to be among the ‘majority’. To me this is ludicrous and sad. The ‘fatwas’ from the research institutions and centre of learning make it even worse – most of the fatwas are laughable to say the least. Objections to the length of Sania Mirza’s skirt, women cannot work in offices where men also work, TV is bad, blah, blah, blah. There is a marked gender bias in the interpretation. In short, the underlying message is that religion is supreme, in case of India, even above the Constitution of the country. Remember the Muslim student in a missionary school, insisting upon his religious right to sport a beard, going up to the Supreme Court. Disgusting and condemnable to say the least. This to me is totally unacceptable. I keep telling people – keep your goddam religion within the four walls of your heart, mind, home and the place of worship. This was the non-violent retrograde step by the right wing extremists – with ample financial backing from abroad – Saudi Arabia. Perhaps in India it is not so severe as it is in other countries, yet it is disturbing

    Next we come to more dangerous path the movement took – the path of terrorism – to avenge real and imaginary wrongs suffered by them – again backed by state actors across the host of countries. This also surely not acceptable too. India has suffered the most from these acts of cowardice.

    Both of the above have isolated those sections of the community who chose to run to the maulvi in particular. It has not made much any difference to the well-to-do and the educated lot. However, the community has got a bad name and the level of trust has fallen drastically. Paying a price for putting themselves in a shell.

    Ashish and I had discussed in an earlier blog, as how to shake this community out of its self imposed lock-up and isolation. Whether it needs any outside interference or they have to reform themselves and join the mainstream as equals. Where are the moderate voices which the people pay heed to it?

    A very sorry and unacceptable state of affairs.

    Right wing extremists on either side feed on each other. Each side justifying their misdeeds on the orher’s misdeeds – as if two wrongs make a right. It has been all tu-tu-main-main.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar;
    Yes, extreme position from any quarter is against the interest of nation.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar;
    Yes, extreme position from any quarter is against the interest of nation.

  • Anonymous

    Ashish,
    Continuing on the FDI Retail at the point where we left last.
    BTW, Sorry that my postings have been fairly sparse and been taking long …. too much of work hardly left me with any room to respond.
    So back to your response…..
    You said :
    “Let me make a rather provocative – even uncalled for – remark. It is not for the first time I have seen the “JNU types” cosy up to the BJP types (there, now I have done it- let a thousand enemies bloom!) in economic ideology.
    I fly the flag of the right of centre. Consistently.”
    Is it ? Too bad that my attempts at cosying up were lost on the “tea partiers” here on this blog. In fact, it is you who has been getting the “wah wahs” here from them.
    Gives me an opportunity to try better next time. :-)
    You said :
    “What is our objection? Is it ownership or the large format? Or is it to the combo?”
    Well, I thought I made it clear already. My objection is on touting the FDI as engine of growth.
    You Said :
    “Let me see if the kirana wallas will lose their livelihood. If they do, will it be a bad thing?
    Many months back, in a different context, I had made a point that no one can afford to take his occupation or avocation for granted. Especially when disruptive forces like technology come in.
    When the coachmen lost their jobs- and few got re-employed as drivers- as a result of one Mr Henry Ford, it may well have been traumatic for those coachmen. But, would you rather that we never had motor cars?”
    So , what do we expect here ? Kirana Wallahs step forward and commit a hara-kiri in front of the superior disruptive forces ? For a moment if your implicit assumption that it is indeed “Kirana Wallahs” that are suffering and it is indded them that are being represented by the opposition in parliament is to be accepted, my question is this – did ever evolution work this way ? “Lesser species” side-stepping on a road to suicide for “superior ones” ? Do “market forces” work this way ? I mean – just pure play competition ? By the same token we may want to join millions of those americans – who lost their jobs to out-sourcing – in celebration as we see Philippines edging us out in call center jobs. Comrade Ayn Rand ko Lal Salaam – as one would say !!!
    Maybe , you may want to re-look at your assumption about market and market forces playing out a pure competition without involving polity.
    While agreeing with you in general terms about “disruption” – what we may be seeing here with “big retail” is something different from just “disruption”.
    (BTW, I have a rather vague feeling that “disruption” somewhat synonymous with “automation” is being looked at closely as well – for instance look at Krugman here : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html, Autor here : http://econ-www.mit.edu/files/569 and another blog here opining on Krugman and Brad DeLong’s take : http://econfuture.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/krugman-and-delong-on-automation/).
    Nobody is arguing here that we bring in and maintain a new casteism facilitating Railway Engine Foreman’s children pursuing the same profession.
    And yet worries persist.
    More so , because – sans a safety net (which ,btw, the first world folks enjoy – though somewhat diminishingly these days) we could be walking in towards un-mitigated disaster.
    My trouble starts precisely at this point – the polity neither has any skill nor any will to understand the complexity of “free markets”. With FDI in retail – we may not exactly run into any large scale disaster, but then it would be purely flirting with randomness.
    p.s. : Some 8-9 days after stalled parliamentary proceedings, do we still want to to argue that it is Kirana Wallahs running the “counter argument” ?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Have pity on us, people less endowed with cerebral hemisphere. Why you can not write in simpler language? OK, I can be speaking a different language, if I have time and inclination ( Pisa Minar) Ha.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    May God give you so much prosperity through so much work
    that you will have so little time to write your so scholarly posts
    which most of us ‘ornary’ trolls find so absorbing but also so taxing.

    I also pray God to shower you with so much energy
    that despite your back-breaking work you will still find time
    to post small, beautiful ‘ideas’
    which even the worst congressie troll here
    will think twice before clapping to.

    Mahesh, by the way, don’t pay any heed to Dr. Pankaj, who is plainly jealous of your stupendous mental prowess.

    Keep posting your seemingly intelligent, but also boringly long posts till God puts into action PLAN A ABOVE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have forwarded this post to my English teacher of my school days,
    she called me and said that it will take her few weeks to decipher
    this great write up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    please give me her e-mail ID. I can dissuade her from the post-mortem.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Please ignore these bouquets of barbed wire.

    Ashish, to whom this post was specifically addressed, is a man of letters. I believe he will have no difficulty in understanding your valuable contribution to the debate.

    I enjoyed reading it and always look forward to your considered posts.

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  • Anonymous

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    ~~~ NATO will bomb Pakistani terror camps ~~~ GOOOOD NEWSSSSSS ~~~
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    As of now it seems that the killing of 25 soldiers was just the begining. The real fun will start now. NATO does not seem bothered by closure of Pakistani routes. It is now going to use Afghanistan as a base to decimate Pakistani terror camps.

    In these conditions we Inidans should

    a) Enjoy and watch the spectacle

    b) Tell our jehadi bretheren like Engrich and behenoi that Allah bombs all jehadis

    c) DO NOT GET CONFUSED IN SAYING THAT PAKISTANISARE THIRD WORLD BROTHERS WHO NEED HELP. fOR 30 YRS THEY HAVE BEEN sending terrorists to India. Let them be kicked in the Butt,

    The Pakistanis only change with danda. As they did after 71.

    e) We can provide material on Hafeez saeed etc so that LeT too is attackd. It is possible, Nato may just attack anti afghan terrorists. Let us be proactive here…
    :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Let us rejoice at the ‘good news’. Let us feel happy that Pakistan is reaching ‘critical mass’ for the inevitable meltdown. If possible, let us give a helping hand to America to achieve what we ourselves will never be able to accomplish: the breaking of the evil terrorist state of Pakistan.

    Here is an interesting article by Gautam Adhikari in TOI:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Pakistan-today-and-tomorrow/articleshow/10960523.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Great Article. I hope Vinodji takes up this in the next blog.

    What should be India’s strategy in such a case? I hope the real strong men like Parthasarthy, KC SIngh and Kanwal Sibal take up the foreign office instead of the current confused peaceniks…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Pakistani generals cannot hide their duplicity anymore. They will self explode (or implode?) , may even use nukes on its own people (“its own people” is really a misnomer — the generals are for themselves).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I think the US has a plan. The Robert Blackwill option. In case Paksitn puts up resistance or goes on a path of confrontation, it will hedge for freedom of Pakhtoonisan and Baluchistan.

    However there are chances that Paksitan will back off. If it does it needs to reform for sure now…

    The game is up.

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    Ravi Reply:

    US Bombs Pakistan!

    Mr Khappaonda is convinced that any time soon, his favourite tourist haunt, Muridke (with which he has as much acquaintance as he does with SOHO) will be bombed by the US.

    Let us for a moment consider what the likely out come will be if indeed US did openly bombed Pakistan.

    To guide us lets look at what happened when US Bombed Libya.

    Gaddafi retaliated by increased support to European as well as Arab terrorists.

    On December 21st 1988 the PanAm Flight 103, carrying many many innocent passengers, many Indians among them, was brought down by a bomb planted on board by Libyan agents.

    Be prepared to pay the price and I am fearful that once again innocent Indian’s will pay the price just so Khappaonda can have his momentary Bhangra Bash.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    HAHHAHA !! The thought made u come out of your hideout in muridke — Engrich’s petticoat !!

    Be careful. NATO has upped the ante. And the US is a bull gone haywire. When it unleashes brute power.. it forgets human beings. It killed 175000 of Saddam’s army when it was retreating.

    At this point the relations between US and Pakistan are zero. Good for us… and good for the world …

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  • Anonymous

    @Manohar, thx for correction. Even if one anaemic Indian decided to call it hindu rate of economic growth= what an idiot he was= surely we should not be parroting the same. What u call 8 cent growth now, non hindu ? I rest the case.
    @ Vijay, when did US say it is going to bomb terror camps in Pak lala land. And that too the ones near Indian border. Or is it wishful desire of passion on your part?
    @ Mishraji, u said India has trebled food production sincs Independence. WRONG, it has quadrupled grain production, and yes one fifth rots cos in some places it is covered by polythene alone !!!!!! Can u believe sirji
    Anyway, made my day, correcting panditji. My source Ed Luce book In spite of Gods, wonderful book, everyone go out and read it.
    @ Mahesh, nice post but like dr pankaj says, make it byte sized
    @ ravi, lay off Mr Shenoy, getting boring now. You hv way with words, put to gud use. Even engrich is trying now

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    Here is an offer, and not being made for the first time.

    Ask Shenoy to lay off me, and I will comply with your request.

    Until then, he is fair game.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whether you or anybody likes it or not and objects to – the term ‘Hindu Rate of Growth’ has become part of Economic parlance and it will be continued to be used for times to come. It has nothing to do with Hinduism as such nor it is targeted at Hindus.

    8 percent growth rate? I do not think anybody has coined a phrase for it as yet – certainly not non-Hindu. May be you should coin one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder.

    I read situations quite well. And I can see that the US is upping the ante. It has taken revenge for the murder of the Seals and doees seem bothered by the closure of suppy routes.

    Next step– it may just carpet bomb regions with terror camps– even in Punjab.

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    engrich Reply:

    Even if one anaemic Indian decided to call it hindu rate of economic

    pls call it high caste hindu rate of growth as fruits of groeth are not reaching to lower of strata of society.where suicides have increased and poverty more rampant.education is far far out of reach

    only problem was ossama(who never hated india or hindus)an pakistan,(weak and small)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    Here is what Arun Shourie said (Wkikpedia)

    “‘It has almost become routine to slight Hindu sentiments — our smart-set do not even notice the slights they administer. Recall the jibe of decades: ‘the Hindu rate of growth’. When, because of those very socialist policies that their kind had swallowed and imposed on the country, our growth was held down to 3-4 per cent, it was dubbed — with much glee — as ‘the Hindu rate of growth’. Today, we are growing at 9 per cent. And, if you are to believe the nonsense in Sachar’s report, the minorities are not growing at all. So, who is responsible for this higher rate of growth? The Hindus! How come no one calls this higher rate of growth ‘the Hindu rate of growth’? Simple: dubbing the low rate as the Hindu one established you to be secular; not acknowledging the higher one as the Hindu rate establishes you to be secular!’.

    Now you know why this congressie troll uses the derogatory term, which has strong approval from his two jihadi chums on this blog. And all of them flaunt the secular tag they have pasted on themselves!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar sahab.

    Please appreciate Arun shourie without getting into the Congress vs BJP on this…

    No slight meant. Only for good blogging… I dont endorse the last para. But Arun shourie

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who is Arun Shourie? Is he my or the world’s keeper? I read him as I do others tooo and may or may not agree with him/them – that is my prerogative. The term which has offended you and your fellow travelers is still being used in the appropriate context by many. Just Google.

    The period the term refers to was under the Congress rule except for 2.5 years and a reflection on it for the sorry state of affairs.

    Congress – vs – BJP.! Nice attempt to be too clever by half.

    Good blogging – yes I am all for it, but have look at many of your own posts – would you like to show them to your teenage children and other family members That is the test.

  • Anonymous

    Ashish,

    I told you about our friend Engrish that it is only a temprory phase and he will be
    same very soon. He is back to his normal ways of blaming all the ills of the world on
    RSS and brahmins. May be it was a Muharram effect and he was in mourning for a short while.

    Shan,

    About your banking experience in India. I partly agree with you. I have always got excellent service here at Dubai as well as in India where NRI services are considered.
    About that form where you had to answer about immoral use of funds, I will tell
    you about my experience at HDFC at Bombay. I gave a cheque to the teller for withdrawing Rs. 30000/-. He asked me to write on the back of the cheque for what
    purpose this money will be used. I told him that it is my money why bank wants to know the reason, but he was adamant and would not give me the cash citing
    the policy of the bank/government. I wrote this on the back of the cheque
    ” I will throw this money in the gutter the moment I step out of this bank “.
    He just smiled and give me the cash.

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    engrich Reply:

    He is back to his normal ways of blaming all the ills of the world on
    RSS and brahmins

    i still stand rss is far more dangerious than maoists.they are jews,hiding among hindus and satanic.they are sleeping cell of international divisive &voilent forces.
    now alqaida has become foot soldiers of cia and mi16.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    Thanks for the link. I agree with Mahatir.
    Even a strong man like Mrs indira Gandhi could not subvert the democratic system – it shows the sacredness and ‘deep rootedness’ of the system with the people. Amartya Sen, in his “Argumentative Indian” , gives a clear picture of how democracy, rule of law etc is embedded with Indians of past centuries, withvillage councils and arguments uder the village banyan tree. The greatest gift of Mahathma Gandhi is in the renovation of this ancient platform.
    I do not see India going back to kings and autocrats like the Muslim countries. The debate about LokPal, further inclusion and transparency etc are the ongoing refinements. I m sure , with economic growth and improving incomes, we will move and mature into an American style democracy, where party bosses and corruption are left behind, people select their party nomines through primary system.
    The latest growth figures are not good. I am afraid that UPA has lost its clutch, with them involved in internal domestic problems crisis after crisis; and the continuing and casacding Western economic problems will erode the growth further, causing slowing down of this evolution and contiuous refinement needed for ‘perfecting this democracy’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    1) The rate of growth will vary from time to time – no economy can be in cruise control all the time and keep notching up impressive increased rate of growth. At any given time, the economy can absorb so much and no more – it needs a pause ever now and then. The growth of 6.9% is not bad at all, especially when we compare to the Hindu Rate of Growth witnessed during our ‘glory days’ of socialist model of development. This slowing may have nothing to do with the economy as such. Politics would be one such big road-blocking factor. Here in India, it is certainly is, the latest making a wholly avoidable mountain out of a molehill re:FDI in retail.

    2) Dr. Mahatir was also right when he said – people do not understand the limitations of a democratic set-up and hence we have these conflicts – the latest being Civil Society – vs – the Government. There are no quick-fix solutions and no magic wands are available to wish away the problems by single swish of a hand by P C Sorcar, jr. This is no way I am justifying lethargy and criminal delays, which are avoidable.

    3) Whether we will go the American way is one of conjecture. We have discussed this some months ago in great detail. – Village councils / panchayati raj, etc. Sure there is no way we will go back to kings and queens or to a benevolent dictator, which you were looking for some months back, on the lines of the former rulers of Travancore.

    4) It may not be bad at all to be argumentative to certain extent . It may have its merits too. In this blog, I had to deal with Ishwar, who I found to be bit over argumentative – he kept shifting the goal posts – not that I did not enjoy engaging with him. Ishwar – no disrespect to you – that is the way you are perhaps and not necessarily a bad thing.

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    engrich Reply:

    bjp invited king of saudi arabia on independence day.arab spring perpetuated by zoinists is to kick christians out of middle east.snipers,death squads and professional killers and american defence contractors brought arab spring.has many objectives.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, using words like nigger was part of parlance in USA till sixties.
    Using words like Pakis on TV by comedians and then to see respected interviewer like Parkinson laugh about it, was commonplace till the seventees in UK.
    But not anymore. As society refines itself, it uses more refined language.
    That an Indian like you is still persisting in using this self defeating lexicon of sixtees reflects a streak that many insecure and nihilistic Indians have. I would be very surprised if Sonia, Rahul, PC, Shashi Tharoor, Advani, Salman Khurshid , Shah Nawaz, Tata using this silly phrase
    you disappoint me

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely right!

    I would rather ask a counter question to Manohar. Pakistan has been failing economically and its growth rate has been 2-3 % for the past deacde. Would you dare call it the “Muslim rate of growth” ? I bet you won’t.

    Even if you do it would be insulting Islam.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Much ado about nothing.

    Vijay

    Please go ahead and use the term Muslim Rate of growth or Zardari Rate of Growth or whatever takes your fancy – no one is stopping you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I will not use it… becasue I dont want to insult the fine religion of islam. But Since you use the term Hindu rate of growth, you should also use the term Muslim rate of growth… to balcane this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    To balance things, great. If the opportunity arises, I will definitely do it, rest assured. It can’t be said about you, though. There are enough examples right here on this blog to show your unbalanced posts and remarks (I can give many examples – being intelligent enough, I think you do not need any reminding, this saving you the embarrassment).

    Practice before preaching.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    this congressie troll thinks nothing of using the offensive term, as long as it offends the Hindus and hurts their self respect. If it were also hurting Muslims and/or christians, he would have been extra careful to avoid it.

    As for fake Ravi, you know better than anybody why he too keeps hurling abuses on Hindus and uses his much soiled cliche ‘5000 rapes’. He forgets that his own countrymen killed 3 million Hindus and Muslims in Bangladesh during 1970-71. Same is with the Tajender ****. Jihadi, sala.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yet another attempt to interject a discordant note into some one else’s harmony.

    This Hindu Fundo has no original opinion than to cast unsubstantiated aspersions on other people’s contributions.

    He sits on this blog as an untreatable carcinoma.

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  • Anonymous

    @ MOhan, Ashish and Pankaj

    Arre baba there is a gr8 game on and Engirch/tajendra/Ram Autar is a small pawn.

    This game is called decimation of Hinduism and India. In my eyes, and in those of most people– India belongs to all religions. However in the eyes of a few nuts like Engrch the four headed Hijra, Hindus need to be insulted and other religions need to be pitted against that.

    His real name is Muth Andar hussain **** as he confessed in many blogs. Strange name — but he is a strange personality.

    That is why he posts as Tajendra so that some HIndu -SIkh hatred comes about.

    That is why this four headed hijra posts as Ram Autar so that the breaking barriers of caste in Hinduism are re-erected

    That is why he posts content of a nature that Muslims hate Hindus.

    I think this four headed hijra gives us an opportunity to understand the jehadi mind, its propoganda and how it trains suicide bombers. Like Pakistan, which is berated and insulted world over– yet will neve give up Hafeez Saeed or Osama, Engrich too is stubborn in pushing jehadi propoganda.

    Ravi, who supports him, wants us to appreciate this incoherent nonsense !!

    Why should we !! We should rather try to study Engirch’s failed brain and try to show it to psychiatirsts on how to counter Suicide bombers and jehadis….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Needless and Pointless ranting of a Khapodia who is suffering from clinical paranoia resulting from irrational fear of Islam.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Emgrich ke petticoat se Ravi ki aayi aawaz…
    Mohabbat Zindabad… Mohabbat zindabad !!

    HAHHAH HAHAHHA

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy ke LUN GOAT se aayi Vijay ki aawaz

    Hinduatva ki jai ho, Hinduatva ki jai ho.

    Ha ha, ha ha ha, hha hha hha.

    You are a PATHETIC SICK RUNT

    Anonymous Reply:

    Copy cat copy cat
    Where have you been?

    RAVI : I was in abbotabad,
    cleaning Osma’s spleen !!

    Copy cat copy cat, what did u do?
    Engrich did everything… I was dead as a dodo !!

    HAHAHAHH HAHHAHH !!

    Saade naal panga na lo, four headed !!
    HAHAHAHAH

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay lad Vijay lad where have you been
    In the centre of Bangalore I could be seen

    Vijay lad Vijay lad what did you do
    With my head in the bowl, I ate his goo

    Vijay lad Vijay lad what slithers down your throat
    Oh Sir I Opened my gob near Shenoy’s Lun Goat

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ohhh HOw sad Ravi autar Engrich!!

    Not even funny no originality !!

    just shows that LeT camps only promote rote learning !!!

    HAHAHHA !!

    Where r ur brains, four headed hijra
    ??

    Ravi Reply:

    Garbage from you can only elicit garabage from us.

    We keep the good stuff for those who merit it.

    However, Don’t worry I have a base ball bat with six inch nails sticking out. It is ready and lubed which I intend to shove it up your jacksy, before you have finished saying Did you know my driver is from chatisgarh

    engrich Reply:

    vijay to call u an idiot will be the insult of idiots.ur mthr is fkd by somebody with 4 heads.donkey.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich, I want to know your age, weight and sex. This is part of the research on brainwashed jehadi Turds spreading communal hatred like termities…

    As for ur abuse…seems ur dad Hafeez saeed did not teach u tehzeeb !

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    engrich Reply:

    fk off idiot.u are brainless and stupid.debate or keep ur a$$ shut.

  • Anonymous

    Not too long ago, Ravi posted a copy of the comment he read somewhere. The language was not very decent. Here’s what I found (on ToI) which might be of some interest to him…

    A Quereshi (Karachi)
    5 hrs ago (11:10 AM)

    It is time Allah bestows our military and politicians the good sense of understanding the benefits of peace. We fanned terrorism in Indian Punjab and then their part of Kashmir and we have been doing so for almost 30 years now. But what we have gained from this policy? We have been the aggressors with India for 4 times and have lost almost half of our territory called East Pakistan. Our leaders play macho viz-a-viz India and give us the impression of our having superior and more numerous nukes than India. The plain fact is in any future war with India, India would like to take over our part of Kashmir and would endeavour to create or carve out an independent country on our southern part. Once this happens we shall not be able to dream of fighting another war with India as India would then be able to attack us from all four sides- the 4th side being from the see as they have already had a pact with Afghanistan on our North. We are a mule in comparison to the Indian elephant yet it is we who have been harbouring aggressive designs against India since our birth. Our Mullas and military and politicians want us to live on Jihad and trudge back to the medieval period or even the stone age. May be we go back to the period of Indus civilization of the past.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    when the country is drowning in its own shit, some people become virtuous and get afflicted by pangs of conscience. Unfortunately, they are few and spread all over.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar.

    Yes this is of interest to me.

    I read many such posts on a regular basis.

    Most of this comment is commonly accepted by every one, me included. I have never disputed – despite what Sanghi Bhangi’s will tell you – that Pakistan is a terrorist country. I have even provided my own opinion as to why that might be. The only difference is that I believe Islam is being used as an element to justify this violent strategy, rather than it being the root cause of it.

    I stand by that opinion, even now.

    The rest about regression to medieval times, and anti modernisation, is just conjecture and if you were to analyse some religious fundo organisations on our side of the border then you will find that similar tensions exist here, all be it in much reduced intensity.

    Thank you for trying to get even with me rather than merely abusing me. In that respect I welcome your comment.

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  • Anonymous

    And this one is for Manohar… (from IBN Live…Updated Dec 03, 2011 at 05:56pm IST)

    Mamata forces UPA Govt to put FDI in retail on hold

    Main (oppose) karu to saala character dheela hai???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    toast it to the half mad compunder in London, who escaped from Kolkatta as a stow-away in a Somalian pirate dhow, with a fake degree in medicine. His name is Shaan Nirad Babu, who, like the congressie troll, is a great fan of Anand Sharma.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Another scholarly contribution from our resident Hindu Fundo

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you should not be surprised. There is a severe shortage of the Intelligence Quotient, having expended it (if there was any) on a ‘doctoral thesis’ on pigs earlier.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you should not be surprised. There is a severe shortage of the Intelligence Quotient, having expended it (if there was any) on a ‘doctoral thesis’ on pigs earlier.

    Anonymous Reply:

    cheers!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What is the connection between what we have been discussing and this news item?

    That FDI in retail is bad (IMO, not so). That the UPA (read Congress if you like) does not have the guts and blinks (probably true). That Mamta is right (I do not agree with her).

    I have not questioned the type of character you are, just because you are opposed to FDI in retail. Where did you get that idea from?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that the decision has been kep in abeyance, let’s call truce.

    I am happy that the Congressis have been shown their rightful place in the coalition. They were trying to push something down the throat of the nation which it didn’t need and that too by trying to gain the moral high ground that it would:
    a) benefit the farmers
    b) bring down the inflation and
    c) create 10 million jobs.

    Mr. Sanghvi has also expressed similar views in his latest blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Was there a fight to call a truce? We had opposing views, thats about it.

    You have taken the assistance of Mr. Vir Sanghavi in support. Should I be surprised?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vir Sanghvi… a gentleman.

    At times (and not always) he writes sense. I particularly loved his opinion on M F Hussain – Portraits of the artist as a Qatari citizen – published in HT under “Counterpoint”. Now, he writes under “Medium Term”

    Btw, I have been opposing this FDI thing even before Mr. Sanghvi wrote his piece. Our opinion on the issue is not very dissimilar.

    Let me go back and concentrate on the Newcastle-Chelsea match where Chelsea is fighting hard to defend its 0-1 lead with 10 men. I am a Man Utd fan.

    Ravi Reply:

    Say no more

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vir Sanghvi… a gentleman. = Agree.

    However, you should check with your fellow travelers whether they concur? You would be surprised

    BTW, I hate football. You go ahead and enjoy the game.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vir Sanghvi… a gentleman. = Agree.

    However, you should check with your fellow travelers whether they concur? You would be surprised

    BTW, I hate football. You go ahead and enjoy the game.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vir Sanghvi… a gentleman. = Agree.

    However, you should check with your fellow travelers whether they concur? You would be surprised

    BTW, I hate football. You go ahead and enjoy the game.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Basle might just stick it your backside next saturday , and then you can watch arsenal playing in the knock out stages.
    wigan vs arsenal, 0-3 , just to make you happy

    Anonymous Reply:

    Basle might just stick it your backside next saturday , and then you can watch arsenal playing in the knock out stages.
    wigan vs arsenal, 0-3 , just to make you happy

    Anonymous Reply:

    No disrespect to them, but Basle won’t be able to stop us from getting to the knock out stages. Sir Alex knows how to churn these results in Europe for us.

    van Persie added another one for you!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    No disrespect to them, but Basle won’t be able to stop us from getting to the knock out stages. Sir Alex knows how to churn these results in Europe for us.

    van Persie added another one for you!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    No disrespect to them, but Basle won’t be able to stop us from getting to the knock out stages. Sir Alex knows how to churn these results in Europe for us.

    van Persie added another one for you!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Basle might just stick it your backside next saturday , and then you can watch arsenal playing in the knock out stages.
    wigan vs arsenal, 0-3 , just to make you happy

  • Anonymous

    The name says it all Ishwar , meaning God , If this is the intelligence who needs God.
    Not that i ever thought you had any idea of mass retailing for that matter anything apart from DHANDHABAJI.
    Ignorant people like you needs to be enlightened.
    have you heard about the book called HUNGER by knut hamsun. No it is not about Bangladesh , it was about NORWAY. a coroner in London ruled that a woman from east london circa 1938 with NINE CHILDREN did not die from pneumonia but from HUNGER.now whom am i speaking to BALWINDER CLONE.
    This MASSIVE PROSPERITY in the west has been brought about by REVOLUTION IN AGRICULTURE .There are PRIZE BULLS size of a DINASOUR whose semen is sold in refrigerated packs from denmark. There are breeds of chicken which guarantees to produce 365 eggs a year. SUPERMARKETS have played a major role in bringing or encouraging these innovations TO PUSH DOWN PRICE
    THE GREATEST THING IS ECONOMY OF SCALE , which an ignorant chap like you will not fathom.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ShaanNirad Babu,

    your post clearly shows that you have been affected by the beef you eat which is infected by mad cow disease.

    I am told these cows are fed crushed bones and dried flesh of goats and cows. Do you know about it?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ShaanNirad Babu,

    your post clearly shows that you have been affected by the beef you eat which is infected by mad cow disease.

    I am told these cows are fed crushed bones and dried flesh of goats and cows. Do you know about it?

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  • Anonymous

    @the ex bank manager from konkan who withheld loans unless a cut is paid.
    Yes I aware of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy , as well as Scrapie , and also aware these are caused NOT BY A LIVING ORGANISM but by a protein called PRION proteins . I am also aware this EXCLUSIVELY due to feeding the cows with sheep brain and what not.
    HOWEVER THAT WAS ONLY IN UK NOT EVEN USA EVER ADOPTED THIS GRISLY PRACTICE.So being a plonker that you are it is not surprising you would lump entire WESTERN agriculture with ONE MASSIVE FLAW in UK agriculture which has been LONG RECTIFIED

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  • Anonymous

    @the ex bank manager from konkan who withheld loans unless a cut is paid.
    Yes I aware of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy , as well as Scrapie , and also aware these are caused NOT BY A LIVING ORGANISM but by a protein called PRION proteins . I am also aware this EXCLUSIVELY due to feeding the cows with sheep brain and what not.
    HOWEVER THAT WAS ONLY IN UK NOT EVEN USA EVER ADOPTED THIS GRISLY PRACTICE.So being a plonker that you are it is not surprising you would lump entire WESTERN agriculture with ONE MASSIVE FLAW in UK agriculture which has been LONG RECTIFIED

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As we are on the topic of mad cow disease. Here is a link for further reading

    http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/16varsha.htm

    Excerpts

    On 31 March, 1996, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad set about to play the worst April Fool’s joke on India. Its London spokesman, Hasmukh Shah, said on BBC’s Sunday: “We have offered to look after the 12 million cattle which are facing execution (in Britain)… It is immoral to slaughter these cows and they should be allowed to lead their natural lives.” No, the VHP wasn’t going to open a sick corral in Britain to nurse the Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy-inflicted cows. Instead, it wanted Britain to cough up 1 billion pounds in shipment charges – to transport the cows to India!

    ————

    But not clever enough: In 1995, if the VHP had offered to harbour Australia’s huge rabbit population which was infected by the rabbit calcivirus disease and thus slated to be destroyed, I may have seen the morality in the mad-cow proposal.
    ————–

    Just as the Quran is employed to sanction fatwas against ideas, so also is Hinduism being used to prop up the bigotries of puritans — which lot always is lethal for any society. The Sangh Parivar will have us believe that Hindutva asks for protection of cows as a religious tenet. Bullshit! It’s simply goodbye Hindu laissez faire; hello, Hindutva fatwas.
    —————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As we are on the topic of mad cow disease. Here is a link for further reading

    http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/16varsha.htm

    Excerpts

    On 31 March, 1996, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad set about to play the worst April Fool’s joke on India. Its London spokesman, Hasmukh Shah, said on BBC’s Sunday: “We have offered to look after the 12 million cattle which are facing execution (in Britain)… It is immoral to slaughter these cows and they should be allowed to lead their natural lives.” No, the VHP wasn’t going to open a sick corral in Britain to nurse the Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy-inflicted cows. Instead, it wanted Britain to cough up 1 billion pounds in shipment charges – to transport the cows to India!

    ————

    But not clever enough: In 1995, if the VHP had offered to harbour Australia’s huge rabbit population which was infected by the rabbit calcivirus disease and thus slated to be destroyed, I may have seen the morality in the mad-cow proposal.
    ————–

    Just as the Quran is employed to sanction fatwas against ideas, so also is Hinduism being used to prop up the bigotries of puritans — which lot always is lethal for any society. The Sangh Parivar will have us believe that Hindutva asks for protection of cows as a religious tenet. Bullshit! It’s simply goodbye Hindu laissez faire; hello, Hindutva fatwas.
    —————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As we are on the topic of mad cow disease. Here is a link for further reading

    http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/16varsha.htm

    Excerpts

    On 31 March, 1996, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad set about to play the worst April Fool’s joke on India. Its London spokesman, Hasmukh Shah, said on BBC’s Sunday: “We have offered to look after the 12 million cattle which are facing execution (in Britain)… It is immoral to slaughter these cows and they should be allowed to lead their natural lives.” No, the VHP wasn’t going to open a sick corral in Britain to nurse the Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy-inflicted cows. Instead, it wanted Britain to cough up 1 billion pounds in shipment charges – to transport the cows to India!

    ————

    But not clever enough: In 1995, if the VHP had offered to harbour Australia’s huge rabbit population which was infected by the rabbit calcivirus disease and thus slated to be destroyed, I may have seen the morality in the mad-cow proposal.
    ————–

    Just as the Quran is employed to sanction fatwas against ideas, so also is Hinduism being used to prop up the bigotries of puritans — which lot always is lethal for any society. The Sangh Parivar will have us believe that Hindutva asks for protection of cows as a religious tenet. Bullshit! It’s simply goodbye Hindu laissez faire; hello, Hindutva fatwas.
    —————

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  • Dr Mishra

    KUDOS to Balwinder, Vijay and Shenoy for finally burying this stupid term- hindu rate of economic growth- surprised that it even got an airing in India.

    And praaji, you may be right- when I said food production had trebled since 1948 I was making a near guess. That it has quadrupled makes me ecstatic. Now to store and distribute it properly.

    I have learnt a lot from bloggers and media about FDI in retail. I think even now I am for it. Gopi, Vijay and Shenoy and Dr Pankaj- can I leave you with this taster-

    “In the 21st century, companies transgess national boundaries. Tata’s sales are now 80 billion dollar, an Indian multinational whose major part of its revenue comes from abroad.. And read on- Walmart now exports, yes EXPORTS billions worth of stuff from China.”

    Big business is complex, let us take this stratospheric leap into the future, lets not get left behind. With safeguards, maybe in a graded way, after an open and transparent debate.

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  • Dr Mishra

    KUDOS to Balwinder, Vijay and Shenoy for finally burying this stupid term- hindu rate of economic growth- surprised that it even got an airing in India.

    And praaji, you may be right- when I said food production had trebled since 1948 I was making a near guess. That it has quadrupled makes me ecstatic. Now to store and distribute it properly.

    I have learnt a lot from bloggers and media about FDI in retail. I think even now I am for it. Gopi, Vijay and Shenoy and Dr Pankaj- can I leave you with this taster-

    “In the 21st century, companies transgess national boundaries. Tata’s sales are now 80 billion dollar, an Indian multinational whose major part of its revenue comes from abroad.. And read on- Walmart now exports, yes EXPORTS billions worth of stuff from China.”

    Big business is complex, let us take this stratospheric leap into the future, lets not get left behind. With safeguards, maybe in a graded way, after an open and transparent debate.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    just read yr comment fully Balwinder-
    ‘ I would be very surprised if Sonia, Rahul, PC, Shashi Tharoor, Advani, Salman Khurshid , Shah Nawaz, Tata using this silly phrase ‘

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    Ravi Reply:

    I did not understand as to who used it….not sure any one would

    Even Jeremy Clarkson would not use it.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I did not understand as to who used it….not sure any one would

    Even Jeremy Clarkson would not use it.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I did not understand as to who used it….not sure any one would

    Even Jeremy Clarkson would not use it.

    [Reply]

    Dr Mishra Reply:

    just read yr comment fully Balwinder-
    ‘ I would be very surprised if Sonia, Rahul, PC, Shashi Tharoor, Advani, Salman Khurshid , Shah Nawaz, Tata using this silly phrase ‘

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    just read yr comment fully Balwinder-
    ‘ I would be very surprised if Sonia, Rahul, PC, Shashi Tharoor, Advani, Salman Khurshid , Shah Nawaz, Tata using this silly phrase ‘

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji

    I am not against FDI in any sector. The issue I had was why a push for this, at this time, what pressing growth issues we are trying to solve with this etc..

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    The issue of timing.

    Please tell me which Political party does not time major announcements to:

    1. Divert attention

    2. Influence negotiations

    3. Gain electoral advantage.

    This is politics not sin.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    The issue of timing.

    Please tell me which Political party does not time major announcements to:

    1. Divert attention

    2. Influence negotiations

    3. Gain electoral advantage.

    This is politics not sin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji

    I am not against FDI in any sector. The issue I had was why a push for this, at this time, what pressing growth issues we are trying to solve with this etc..

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji

    I am not against FDI in any sector. The issue I had was why a push for this, at this time, what pressing growth issues we are trying to solve with this etc..

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    engrich Reply:

    dont forget that our goverments are run by dallals.who are usually jansanghis.wall mart will benefit peasant and buyers,hurt these dallals who make money without doing anything.it is they who are hallowing a lot.in ruler areas this hawolling has no effect.

    but fdi should be in hightech and defence where we are depending of foriegn technology a lot.

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    engrich Reply:

    dont forget that our goverments are run by dallals.who are usually jansanghis.wall mart will benefit peasant and buyers,hurt these dallals who make money without doing anything.it is they who are hallowing a lot.in ruler areas this hawolling has no effect.

    but fdi should be in hightech and defence where we are depending of foriegn technology a lot.

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    engrich Reply:

    dont forget that our goverments are run by dallals.who are usually jansanghis.wall mart will benefit peasant and buyers,hurt these dallals who make money without doing anything.it is they who are hallowing a lot.in ruler areas this hawolling has no effect.

    but fdi should be in hightech and defence where we are depending of foriegn technology a lot.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    Thanks for asking my opinion. Frankly speaking, I do not feel qualified to speak on such a complex issue. However, fearing any new thing is in human nature. I am not saying that take a leap of faith, with nation’s destiny at stake but a selective opening in few metros should not hurt nation. One can build on the results of first five year or ten years rsults, have that data analysed in bipartison or even multi partison manner( if there is such term in dictionary) and then, go from there. GOI can take action, as a soverign entity any time in the interest of nation. Such fear was expressed, when computer was being introduced in India in seventies/ eighties, which proved unfounded.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    Thanks for asking my opinion. Frankly speaking, I do not feel qualified to speak on such a complex issue. However, fearing any new thing is in human nature. I am not saying that take a leap of faith, with nation’s destiny at stake but a selective opening in few metros should not hurt nation. One can build on the results of first five year or ten years rsults, have that data analysed in bipartison or even multi partison manner( if there is such term in dictionary) and then, go from there. GOI can take action, as a soverign entity any time in the interest of nation. Such fear was expressed, when computer was being introduced in India in seventies/ eighties, which proved unfounded.

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  • Dr Mishra

    KUDOS to Balwinder, Vijay and Shenoy for finally burying this stupid term- hindu rate of economic growth- surprised that it even got an airing in India.

    And praaji, you may be right- when I said food production had trebled since 1948 I was making a near guess. That it has quadrupled makes me ecstatic. Now to store and distribute it properly.

    I have learnt a lot from bloggers and media about FDI in retail. I think even now I am for it. Gopi, Vijay and Shenoy and Dr Pankaj- can I leave you with this taster-

    “In the 21st century, companies transgess national boundaries. Tata’s sales are now 80 billion dollar, an Indian multinational whose major part of its revenue comes from abroad.. And read on- Walmart now exports, yes EXPORTS billions worth of stuff from China.”

    Big business is complex, let us take this stratospheric leap into the future, lets not get left behind. With safeguards, maybe in a graded way, after an open and transparent debate.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    @manohar T, mahesh , Ravi ,
    LETS BLAME THE FDI IN RETAIL AND ALSO LETS TALK ABOUT SWABHIMAAN

    Similar scenes can be seen in many parts of Delhi. According to the latest official estimate, as much as 42% of the power supplied to India’s capital disappears through “transmission losses”, meaning it is consumed without being paid for. In effect, it is stolen.

    Three years ago the problem was even more serious. Then transmission losses accounted for over the half the electricity distributed in Delhi.

    Although Delhi has been dubbed the power theft capital of the world, the situation in other parts of India is little better.

    There are no hard figures, but the best estimate is that somewhere between a third and half of the country’s electricity supply is unpaid for.

    Sangeta Robinson (right)
    Sangeta Robinson says the middle class is as much to blame

    No other country suffers revenue losses on this scale. In China, Asia’s other emerging economic giant, no more than 3% of the nation’s power supply is lost to theft.

    Spreading the blame

    Slum dwellers’ unofficial hook-ups are the most visible sign of India’s power theft crisis, but there are yet bigger problems dogging the country’s energy sector.

    Meter tampering by middle class households seeking to pay less than they should costs still more, says Sangeta Robinson, an official with local utility North Delhi Power Limited, a subsidiary of energy giant Tata Power.

    And yet another huge loss – albeit one which no-one can quantify – is electricity theft by industrial enterprises.

    Giresh Sant, who works for an NGO called Prayas campaigning for more efficient and accountable government, says the problem is one of corruption – and a vested electoral interest in turning a blind eye.

    No-one likes paying their utility bills, he says, so often politicians regard laxness about revenue collection as a vote-winner.

    And opportunities for personal enrichment through corruption related to industrial power theft have given them, as well as civil servants and utility officials, further incentives not to rock the boat.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I can recognise all of that

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I can recognise all of that

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    In Delhi and in most parts of the country, this a common thing.

    However, in Bombay, where the power lines are all underground (100%) and have been so for decades going back to 1920s, which reduces pilferage/theft and other losses that have plagued most other parts of India. Of course, there must be meter tempering though not rampant. The power supply companies (BEST – under the municipal corporation for the city and a private company for the suburbs) have always made profits. Situation should be similar in other cities, wherever the power lines are underground.

    Moreover, there are never any power cuts or load shedding. Uninterrupted supply is taken for granted and there is no need for any voltage stabilizers. Even the most nefarious politicians/vested interests have never played games with the city utilities.

    Over the question of personal enrichment by foul means – it is truly rampant all over India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    side tracking the main issue of loss of face and prestige for the government on the FDI issue by nonsensical drivel about power theft.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    @manohar T, mahesh , Ravi ,
    LETS BLAME THE FDI IN RETAIL AND ALSO LETS TALK ABOUT SWABHIMAAN

    Similar scenes can be seen in many parts of Delhi. According to the latest official estimate, as much as 42% of the power supplied to India’s capital disappears through “transmission losses”, meaning it is consumed without being paid for. In effect, it is stolen.

    Three years ago the problem was even more serious. Then transmission losses accounted for over the half the electricity distributed in Delhi.

    Although Delhi has been dubbed the power theft capital of the world, the situation in other parts of India is little better.

    There are no hard figures, but the best estimate is that somewhere between a third and half of the country’s electricity supply is unpaid for.

    Sangeta Robinson (right)
    Sangeta Robinson says the middle class is as much to blame

    No other country suffers revenue losses on this scale. In China, Asia’s other emerging economic giant, no more than 3% of the nation’s power supply is lost to theft.

    Spreading the blame

    Slum dwellers’ unofficial hook-ups are the most visible sign of India’s power theft crisis, but there are yet bigger problems dogging the country’s energy sector.

    Meter tampering by middle class households seeking to pay less than they should costs still more, says Sangeta Robinson, an official with local utility North Delhi Power Limited, a subsidiary of energy giant Tata Power.

    And yet another huge loss – albeit one which no-one can quantify – is electricity theft by industrial enterprises.

    Giresh Sant, who works for an NGO called Prayas campaigning for more efficient and accountable government, says the problem is one of corruption – and a vested electoral interest in turning a blind eye.

    No-one likes paying their utility bills, he says, so often politicians regard laxness about revenue collection as a vote-winner.

    And opportunities for personal enrichment through corruption related to industrial power theft have given them, as well as civil servants and utility officials, further incentives not to rock the boat.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    @manohar T, mahesh , Ravi ,
    LETS BLAME THE FDI IN RETAIL AND ALSO LETS TALK ABOUT SWABHIMAAN

    Similar scenes can be seen in many parts of Delhi. According to the latest official estimate, as much as 42% of the power supplied to India’s capital disappears through “transmission losses”, meaning it is consumed without being paid for. In effect, it is stolen.

    Three years ago the problem was even more serious. Then transmission losses accounted for over the half the electricity distributed in Delhi.

    Although Delhi has been dubbed the power theft capital of the world, the situation in other parts of India is little better.

    There are no hard figures, but the best estimate is that somewhere between a third and half of the country’s electricity supply is unpaid for.

    Sangeta Robinson (right)
    Sangeta Robinson says the middle class is as much to blame

    No other country suffers revenue losses on this scale. In China, Asia’s other emerging economic giant, no more than 3% of the nation’s power supply is lost to theft.

    Spreading the blame

    Slum dwellers’ unofficial hook-ups are the most visible sign of India’s power theft crisis, but there are yet bigger problems dogging the country’s energy sector.

    Meter tampering by middle class households seeking to pay less than they should costs still more, says Sangeta Robinson, an official with local utility North Delhi Power Limited, a subsidiary of energy giant Tata Power.

    And yet another huge loss – albeit one which no-one can quantify – is electricity theft by industrial enterprises.

    Giresh Sant, who works for an NGO called Prayas campaigning for more efficient and accountable government, says the problem is one of corruption – and a vested electoral interest in turning a blind eye.

    No-one likes paying their utility bills, he says, so often politicians regard laxness about revenue collection as a vote-winner.

    And opportunities for personal enrichment through corruption related to industrial power theft have given them, as well as civil servants and utility officials, further incentives not to rock the boat.

    [Reply]

  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar Khaplodia

    A word of warning, when it comes to abusive behaviour, if you choose to continue, I can out wit you even if I was comatose.

    So indulge in that form of behaviour at your own risk.

    I may retaliate in a language that may not amuse you.

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    engrich Reply:

    calling him an idiot will be the insult of idiots.this donkey has neither manner nor good sense of joke.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Ram Autar

    Don’t worry I will pay him back in kind.

    He has already been reduced to little more than a blabbering idiot.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Day dreaming Pakistani jihadi two some!

    Ravi Reply:

    Better than you two hallucinating about de-nuking Pakistan. Keep taking the tablets.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    you may not yet be comatose, but the terrorist state you support with all your heart, is in the last throes of its miserable, terror-promoting existence. The belligerance it is showing towards the US and NATO is all for the jihadi constituency to observe and get ‘high’ about.You too are showing false bravado now.

    Vijay Kumar can even in his sleep demolish your stupid, ISI-tutored jihadi sloganeering.

    BEWARE, YOU JIHADI SCUM.

    BAD, INDECENT LANGUAGE YOU USED FOR BALWINDER’S FAMILY WIIL BE STRONGLY COUNTERED WITH MORE THAN EQUAL RESPOSTE’S

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    Ravi Reply:

    We will see. Your mindless propaganda is being strongly countered and that is the main reason of you are resorting to abuse.

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  • Anonymous

    Mishraji you say Walmart exports billions from China !!! Billions of WHAT? They are retailers not manufacturers. Pl u provide link.
    But if you are right, as u usually are, then how come govt has not advertised from top of roof?? There used to be a blogger here who had business in China, was it mohan or Prabhat

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishra and his sidekick. Walmart does not export from china IT SOURCES FROM CHINA IN BILLIONS.India has unique oppertunity to TRIP china , but not before the theft in electricity is stopped and KABUTERBAJI will automatically lessen from Punjab .

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    engrich Reply:

    good joke.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    Good question.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I have business in Dubai and Bombay. I import goods from various countries that includes China. I have a office in China where three Chinese
    are employed who help me in my line of business. I cannot comment on
    Wallmart business in China but I have seen those huge hypermarkets
    there during my visits and they are doing very good business over there.

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  • Anonymous

    As usual, some have found a way to interject their antii-Hindu hate mongering , how bad the Muslims are in this land etc in this FDI discussion.
    Ravi co-opts jesus into Muslims while ridiculing Hindus co-iopting Budha , Nanak et al.
    There was no Christianity when Jesus was alive. He did n0t commandeer the formation of a ‘religion”; the stuff he sermoned was about showing the other cheek if somebody beats you on your cheek. Prophet mohamed wanted to kill the ones who beat on your cheek. Prophet Mohamed started the Islamic movemeent; Jesus did not start the “Christianity” movement. It was started by his followers

    My TamBrahm friend’s father worships all Gods, he has a picutre ogf Jesus Christ along with other Hindu gods pictures; he lights lamps in front of all including Jesus; he would have done this in front of a picture ogf the prophet also, if a picture was available. (the secular India forced his children to migrate to USA; all of them are contributing immensely to USA; with one owning/running a 2000 plus people software co.. I hope an economist/historian estimates the true cost of our non-income based reservations in this country/!)

    I wonder if Ravi will say my friend’s father is co-oipting Jesus because of his extreme right Hindu mentality!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very well said Shoeb. Fantastic !! I appreciate each and every word….

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    what is hindu mentality.can u explain a bit more.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    As a jihadi Muslim, how does it matter to you knowing what is “Hindu mentality”?

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    i think u also dont know.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    your post more than demolishes the secular humbug peddled here by fake Ravi and **** Tajender, also ably clapped by the congressie troll.

    The kind of secularism practised by the Periyars, Annas and Karunanidhis has really dealt body blows to that constituency of the TN state, which is really, really secular, progressive and economically the most driven.

    It is not yet clear whether Jayalalitha would attempt to reverse the trend.
    Luckily, Karnataka still has some respect for the Murthys, Pais and Mallyas.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Nice post. I was surprised when I read that Christianity was started by
    Jesus Christ. If I am not wrong this religion started about 150-200 years after the death of Jesus.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    As soon as you have learnt to read, I will respobd.

    Until then you can stew in your own juices.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometimes I wonder ……………..

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  • AshishC

    I read this really nice piece by Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar in the Sunday Times.
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/columnists/swaminathan-s-a-aiyar/aam-bania-is-more-powerful-than-the-aam-aadmi/articleshow/10977614.cms

    Mamata’s (and our ruling class’s) mindless opposition is shown up for what it is: a simple pandering to the organised votebank of baniyas.
    Also read Swapan Dasgupta, on the same subject in the same paper, today.
    Swapan needs to watch it; he has even dared take on Arun Jaitley on this issue. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Since 2009, I have noticed that Swapan has chosen to be more neutral and does not mind calling spade a spade. It must be something to do with his exasperation with the BJP and possibly not able or wanting to defend the indefensible.

    [Reply]

    AshishC Reply:

    Swapan, like me, wants BJP to be electable :) .. the path they are taking, he realises, as I do, will not get them there.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I agree with you that the BJP doesn’t know the path to Lokasabha, but with the congress losing it half way, it is not at all difficult to think that the BJP will get there by 2014 or even earlier, with a massive push by the Indian electorate.

    Of course, the BJP alone cannot reach there; it will be in the company of several smaller parties. The alliance with RPI in Maharashtra is a pointer.

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Nothing would please me more; but, BJP has thrown it away before- in 2004 and 2009.
    I hope 2014 will be different and it does not need too many props.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

    How do you like the idea of Swapan being appointed as the principal strategist (political and economic) of the BJP or even the President of the party without that remote control in Nagpur?

  • AshishC

    Can someone show me the source of one statistics that is being bandied about as gospel truth- the number of retailers in India.
    Till some time, it was 30 Milion, 3 crores. Now it has become 4 crores- I heard Ravi Shankar Prasad (or was is Seshadri Chari??) who said this and added for good measure a multiplier of 5- meaning added their family members- totalling upto 20 crores who are involved in the retail trade.
    Seeing that India’s population is 120 crores, even at 3 crores, it would mean a retail shop for every 40 Indians. Is this figure okay?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Even I am wondering at the figures being bandied about?

    To buttress their defense, this 3 or 4 crore figure must include all – cobblers, medical shops, bakeries, trinket shops, vegetable sellers in and outside of mandis and perhaps hawkers too, just to build a doomsday scenario – invasion from Mars.

    In one of the lead article in The Economic Times some days back, the author Rama Bjapurkar had quoted a figure of 8 million or so kirana shops in the country, out of which about 5 to 6 million were outside the 53 cities covered by the new policy initiative (apparently it looks like it has been put in the cold storage, the owners of which are not known)..

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=ETNEW&BaseHref=ETM/2011/11/28&PageLabel=18&EntityId=Ar01801&ViewMode=HTML

    Excerpt

    The arguments for and against FDI in retail are, at a generic level, valid on both sides. However, since the devil is usually in the detail, the facts about India’s small retailers and suppliers, the conditions stipulated for FDI, and recent experience with the effects of domestic modern retail need to be viewed together before the likely outcome pronounced. The big fight is about whether this new policy will kill small shops, massively destroy livelihoods and take away GenNext’s opportunities. Facts suggest otherwise. Consider the kirana, the one most feared to be at risk. About 5-6 million of the 8 million FMCG-stocking kiranas are in rural India, and are totally safe, as the new ones can only come into the top 53 cities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    the figure of 3 crores is grossly exaggerated.

    I have the real, accurate, authentic, unadulterated and absolutely true figure:

    As of today, taking into account, the opening of new shops this morning, the number of retail shops in India stood at 75, 44, 302.

    When you calculate the percentage of shops to people, you should also include the number of children newly born and people who die upto the day of reckoning.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy, :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Many people have the habit of distorting the figures to prove their point.
    Most of people dont use common sense. Big retailers are inevitable
    whether some people like it or not.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr.Mishra, Pankaj ji, Balwinderji, Vijay Kumar, Mohan, Rajeev, Rajiv, Shoeb, Ishwar and Gopi,

    the government, after all the false bravado, belligerance and over confidence, has accepted defeat on the FDI in retail.

    1.It could have succeeded, even spectacularly, if it had taken the opposition into confidence and agreed on a time frame for its introduction. The fact is, it didn’t even consult the allies and kept its own sheep in total darkness.

    2. If 26% was aimed at, the BJP and its parivar (NDA) could have been more easily brought on board, and allies could well have volunteered acceptance.

    3. It should have proposed to introduce the reform in only major cities in the first three years.

    In the event, the congress party failed miserably, spectacularly, even though the reform was to benefit the nation immensely in the coming years, without falling in the pitfalls other economies have.

    Over confidence, incompetence and unaccommodativity killed a major initiative.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    It was niether over confidence nor incompetenece, it was just to divert
    the attention from Lok Pal and Chidambram’s invovement in 2G.
    Though I dont agree with BJP’s stance of boycotting PC in parliament as court is going to hear that case this week. They should wait for court’s
    ruling on this one.

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  • AshishC

    Mahesh,
    I missed your response and was only alerted by Ravi’s post asking you to “ignore the garlands of barbed wire”- so, I searched out your response from a day ago.
    My barb about BJP and CPM agreeing on an economic policy – not for the first time, I may add (I still remember Jay Dubashi’s posts during Vajpayee’s reign- which could have even been penned by Karat or Yechuri, so protectionist in content they were)- riles, I agree. But, sadly, it is true.
    And, when I ask you to define your stance in terms or A,B or C; you tell me it is actually D
    My objection is on touting the FDI as engine of growth. .
    Ahem, any other sectors which should be barred from receiving FDI? Say, car manufacturing? Or, glass manufacturing? Or, would you stop Amazon from coming in as well- let’s say they wanted to buy Flipkart, for instance… or set up their own delivery arm here; thereby killing the other online retailers.
    I have not seen any wah wahs coming my way, by the way :)
    As for the Kirana Wallas- and their political clout, read Swaminathan Aiyar in TOI today.
    I am not so naive as to believe in a “pure” theory of evolution in occupational progression – but, since all theories are impure anyway, happy to live with it.
    I am at a loss to understand the point that started with call centre jobs moving from US to India and then to Philipppines and ended with Ayn Rand.. never mind.
    we could be walking in towards un-mitigated disaster. and the polity neither has any skill nor any will to understand the complexity of “free markets”. With FDI in retail – we may not exactly run into any large scale disaster, but then it would be purely flirting with randomness.
    So, scare-mongering again? Embracing the free market is merely flirting with randomness, whatever that means? Or, as Seshadri Chari was telling us with a straight face, it has national security implications?

    BTW, I seem to be missing your posts; so, do a favour and if you choose to respond, do so as a reply to this post so, I can catch it on Disqus.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    “Or, as Seshadri Chari was telling us with a straight face, it has national security implications”?

    Did he elaborate?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Alas, no .. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,
    Your “left wing cosies up with right wing” hardly riled me. What to do we are JNU types are like that only – total besharm . ;-)
    Back to the discussion….
    You said :
    “Ahem, any other sectors which should be barred from receiving FDI? Say, car manufacturing? Or, glass manufacturing? Or, would you stop Amazon from coming in as well- let’s say they wanted to buy Flipkart, for instance… or set up their own delivery arm here; thereby killing the other online retailers.”
    Did I argue against investment ? My argument is against touting it as engine of growth and those fantastic job figures coupled with “farmer benefits”. Let us not fool ourselves in what the investment is for and about.

    You said :
    “I am not so naive as to believe in a “pure” theory of evolution in occupational progression – but, since all theories are impure anyway, happy to live with it.
    I am at a loss to understand the point that started with call centre jobs moving from US to India and then to Philipppines and ended with Ayn Rand.. never mind.”
    Uh well, my argument is not based on “pure” free market theory. The argument here is – protectionist measures, labour right agitations and struggles, lobbying are all part and parcel of how the free market economy has evolved so far to what it is today. Just viewing it from classical economics perspective is – stated respectfully – just incomplete. In the alternate universe based on “pure” free market economy principles the countries could be having fullly convertible currencies, the “market forces” could automatically tackle externalities such as “climate change”, and yes Bank Of America would be dead by now and “whiners” who dare spoke about “regulations” would be proverbially jailed.
    As for Ayn Rand comment – it was a rather sarcastic response to your simplistic remarks about letting a few jobs die.

    You said :
    “So, scare-mongering again? Embracing the free market is merely flirting with randomness, whatever that means? Or, as Seshadri Chari was telling us with a straight face, it has national security implications?”
    Scare mongering ? You are free to choose to whatever euphemism you want to. But then, since when has being cautious in opening up sectors to larger domestic and foreign players acquired this euphemism ?
    Seriously, there are only two ways the employment risks can mitigated , either over-regulate or provide safety net and blunt the risks. In our case it is neither.
    As for embracing the free markets – I guess we both know this country has already done it long since. So, what was the point there ? We achieved poverty alleviation goals already ?
    On a lighter note – maybe Seshadri Chari didn’t warn us enough about the evils of “firang capital” being a guise for the evil “firang culture” to step in. He is just being a bit too modest you see.

    p.s.: Read Mr. SSA Iyer’s Econ. Times piece on “aam aadmi” and “baniya”.
    Here are the takeaways:
    1> Baniyas are ruthless exploiters of informal workers – so they prefer to lose out.
    2> BJP represents Banias as their traditional base.
    Surely, Mr. Aiyer could do better.
    p.p.s.: Your last post hinted at the “Prajatantra” blogger’s lack of understanding in basic economics. Feel free to highlight specific points, asking because I haven’t had time to explore the blog archives.
    p.p.p.s.: Am under the gun again to deliver against terribly agressive deadlines, hence my responses will be sparse.

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    AshishC Reply:

    A story of another “brave Indian”: just so that we know where the opposition is coming from. Worth a read: the owner of Saravana stores on FDI http://bit.ly/uSgg3p

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    can you simply tell me if FDI is bad and DI is good?
    Or both have the same effect or lack of effect?
    We are discussing the potential benefits or ills that can come off FDI in retail – not how it is being packaged (“touted as an engine of growth”).
    When we started dismantling the barriers to entry to foreign capital, we have heard the same tired arguments before- oh, our producers will be undercut and go out of business, we will be flooded with cheap imports from China. What has happened since then?
    Indian light-engineering and auto-anciliaries are success stories. Our manufacturing has started becoming half-way respectable- oh well, some manufacturers died; but those that survived are world-beaters and there are many of them, around me- where I work.
    Is it okay, as the link I posted (Saravana stores) for Indian retail chains to push economies of scale at the cost of local retailers, but not okay for Tesco/ Walmart to do so?
    You are defending the interests of an entrenched cabal of monopolistic interests.

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  • Anonymous

    THE FACE OF ETERNAL YOUTH WILL NOT SMILE AT YOU FROM THE TV SCREEN ANYMORE.

    THE EVERGREEN HERO IS NO MORE.

    BUT HE WILL LIVE IN OUR HEARTS FOR EVER.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys,

    Watch Dirty Pictures. It is different from normal bollywood movies. Vidya Balan
    has done an amazing job.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys let pay our tribute the LEGEND that was Dev Anand. His affair with Suraiya which didn’t end up in both tying the knot due to ISLAM coming in the way, reminds ISLAM HASN’T CHANGED A BIT. However Suraiya will be remembered like heer or Laila for her undying love for Devanand.As a protest SHE NEVER MARRIED

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, he was surely one of a kind.

    During my college days, one of my friends was a die-hard fan of the legend. It was mandatory for him to see his films first-day-first-show (bunk lectures) and used to drag me along, not that I minded it.

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    engrich Reply:

    islamic marriage laws are quite clear.muslim consider them divine.cannot be change.only thing remaining indian have become tough.recently a sikh girl from canada was murdere by her parents for marrying hindu boy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Engrich , I live amongst sikhs. Sikhs are ISLAM with turban who do not eat beef. The greatest difference is however is THEY WILL SUCK UP TO THE GORAS LIKE ANYTHING , which i think is the right approach if you have chosen to live in this COLD GREY SKY country
    unlike islam which is always looking for a fight

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    engrich Reply:

    unlike islam which is always looking for a fight

    where they are fighting.they are victim of european imperialism.

    sikh eat beef privately.culturally they are close to hindus.religiously they are close to islam.golden temple operation by hindu zoinist increased the sepration.attack on golden temple was error of judgement.taken under pressure frm hindu fanatics of delhi;

  • Anonymous

    BJP gets a drubbing from Reddy brothers in Bellary

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Karnataka/BJP-gets-a-drubbing-from-Reddy-brothers-in-Bellary/Article1-777713.aspx

    Bellary bypoll: Ruling BJP loses deposit, rebel Sriramulu wins

    What was that again? Sleepwalking to victory!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Does this means that voters dont believe Reddys’ involvment in mining scandal ?

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    Prahlad_k Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    I guess it means people at ground level do not care much about corruption. Else hey would not have voted this way. Anna has to work harder. I guess Anna did not even campaign in Bellery.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Anna has not left any room for ‘guess’.

    His team campaigned against kaangress in Hissar, which was a parliamentary election, only to prove a point to that party.

    I am sure (no guess work here) the Anna message has gone home.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That has been the problem with us voters. We elect people with suspect credentials and then start bashing the lot.

    I would have been happy even if the BJP candidate had won – provided he is a good honest person.

    What happened in Bellary is not something new. In their own fiefdoms – perhaps they do a lot for the local people with part of their alleged loot – building schools, dispensaries, the works.

    Look at this way – the actual mining must have provided jobs (direct and indirect) to the thousands of locals, so they probably care two hoots whether it was legal or illegal. ‘paapi peT kaa sawaal hai’.

    If you look at the elections down the years, corruption and scandals have never been serious issues.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Sad but what you say is true.

  • Pankaj#1

    With passing away of Devanand, some small part of me has also passed away.

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    engrich Reply:

    general indian has same feelings.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, a great loss. Was just watching his programme where his songs
    were being played. Each song is a gem. Evergreen like him.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Surprised, no body has reacted to Arnab Mitra’s post in HT blog so far. If it was music to his ears, I had some satisfaction as well. Why, because what India should have done ( and possibly can not do) has been done by this friendly ? fire.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This guy Arnab is a Sanghi like many on this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A sanghi is 1000 times better than peddlers of the criminal entity of Pkaistan and the thug, vile ideology of hate that the failed criminal state, that has completed its genocide against Hindu/sikh minorities, is based on.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajiiv u are a liar.there was no genocide.mascare of 1947 was planned and perpetuated by vedics.even such bad days ,there is no exodus.india had 600 communal riots pak mothing.people lrft pakistan for better future in india and abroad.so the millions of hindus from india.may sjkhs and hindus are holding oficer post in their army.atleast one hindu going to hold the post of ambassdor.

    regarding this stupid arnab,every community has idiots and communal like him.an agent of international and brhmncl zoinism.see him from this angle.

    Anonymous Reply:

    His blog is music to ears of those wish to denuke or better vivisect Pakistan or even better wipe out the country off the map.

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  • Anonymous

    @ashish, just ask , this is in response to your query about he true number of retailers in india
    India 8
    USA 16

    Poland 12
    Brazil 15
    China 7
    Source: Presentation to FICCI by Alan
    Rosling (Chairman, Jardine Matheson
    Group): “International Experience on Ploicy issues
    The above is SHARE OF EMPLOYMENT IN RETAIL IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES
    A simple glance at the employment numbers is enough to paint a good
    picture of the relative sizes of these two forms of trade in India – organised
    trade employs roughly 5 lakh people (see Tables 8 & 9), whereas the
    unorganized retail trade employs nearly 3.95 crores5! According to a GoI

    study the number of workers in retail trade in 1998 was almost 175 lakhs.

    THIS ONE FOR MAHESH
    of Low Productivity in Unorganized Retail
    1) Labor intensity: Counter-stores in India have a very low output to labor consumption ratio. Low
    labor costs, failure to employ part-time labor and the absence of multitasking are the mainly
    responsible for the unusually high consumption of labor. This has driven down the productivity in
    the sector.
    2) Inventory and Supply Chain Management: Unorganized retailers in India rarely track consumer
    behavior and sales data to improve their inventory management practices. Even among the handful
    of retailers that employ experience-based improvements in their business, their efforts are largely
    met with no support from their suppliers. Counter stores and street vendors do not have the
    infrastructure, exposure or credibility to form lasting relationships with suppliers. As a result
    retailers usually use different suppliers every time they purchase inventory. This leaves them
    largely incapable of strategically managing their business.
    3) With 700 million agricultural labor18 looking to move into retail, low barriers to entry and the
    absence of regulation in this sector have made it a largely over-supplied sector. The excess supply
    of counter-stores and street vendors represents a tremendous decrease in the productivity of this
    sector.
    4) The absence of any real competition-almost all retailers find a way to make ends meet or change
    their merchandise till they make ends meet-is also responsible for a form of status quo in the
    sector where little to no improvements in efficiency, management and by extension productivity
    are seen. In fact, this sector is so stagnant with respect to operational changes that no improvement
    in productivity is expected in the near future.”

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~YAHYA KHAN AND NAUTCH GIRLS~~still believe they won the 71 war !!! ~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    In the memorable year of 1971, when the gr8 Indian army of all religions crushed the communal rapists fauj of Yahya Khan and liberated Bangladesh, the drunk Field Marshal Yahya Khan was being fed lies by mujra walis and nautch girls.

    That the Pakistan army had captured Rashtrapati Bhavan !!

    When Gen AAK Niazi was signing the document of abject surrender with gen JS Arora,, the drunk Yahya Khan’s nautch girl was telling him that India was being handed over.

    When 93000 Pakistani armymen were taken POW, Yahya khan’s mujrawali was handing him a bottle of Hercules *** rum ans saying “sahab bahdur… Indian army is surrendering !! ”

    HAHAHHHA HAHA

    Similarly on this blog, India’s strong secular army of Balwinder, Shoeb, Shenoy have pulverised the jehadi general Engrich and exposed him as a mecrchant of hate. but Engrich’s nautch girl Ravi is telling him that their communal agenda has won… !!

    HAHAHH HAHAH !!

    And with Engrich exposed as Ram autar and Tajendra wanting to foment ISI funded hatred in India… his murjawali Ravi is cooing. “Darling Engrich… we have won… we have succeeding in dividing India….!! ”

    HAHAH HAHHA

    And as Engrich and Ravi settle down in the fantasy world of spreading hate and jehadi bile…

    The whole world laughs and spits…

    HAHAHAHHAHHHHHH HAAA OOOOOO ALLLAA LA LA !!!

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    engrich Reply:

    tum pichle janam bhaand jaroor hoge.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aur thum pichle janam meein be terrorist and mechant of hate and duplicity… :) :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In his ‘pichle’ janam, this terrorist was killed by a brahmin soldier in Kashmir, which is why in this janam too he has become a jihadi terrorist, hating barhmins.

    Anonymous Reply:

    People who don’t have the knowledge about the present or is afraid about the present LIKES TO LIVE IN THE PAST.
    Just to make you happy (other than M G road jaunt) Yahya Khan was receiving ******** from the actress Noorjahan when Niazi was signing instrument of surrender. Unlike you and Ashish I ALWAYS BACK UP MY CLAIMS WITH REFERENCES, for the above read OWEN BENNET JONES
    “PAKISTAN EYE OF THE STORM”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The same with engrich and his mujrawali :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Noor jehan lifted Yahya to heaven
    Indira Gandhi pushed him into hell.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wah Shenoy Sahab Wah !! You have outdone yourself !

    Ravi Reply:

    The three Hindu Fundo’s together remind me of 3 pundo’s sitting in a chandu khanna each trying to out vomit the other.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Many comparisons can be found in history of the imortal Engrich-Ravi jodi

    a) Four headedd hijra !

    b) Ranga Billa of jehad :) :) !!

    c) Yahya and Noorjehan :) :) HAHAHA

    d)The sleeper cell which sleeps together :)
    HAHAHAHAHHAH

    e) The behenois of jehad

    HAHAH HAHA LA LAL OOO LALLA LA

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ditto did Engrich and his Rani !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow. very good one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Cingulate and Vijay

    Fantastic post by Vijay and fantaastic fact of history by cingulate !

    I think Yahya khan is the big joker of history. We should make a comedy film on him. The comedy enacted by Engrich is similar.

    Vijay and Shenoy have exposed him as a hydra headed monster who takes various garbs to insult Hindus and India. he is a bore.

    Sadly Ravi has deveoped a fatal fascination for Engrich. and ends up supporting his termite like agenda.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Please keep up with the pills

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank U !! I knew you would appreciate history and reality !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Oh I enjoy your type History as much as I enjoy a moth eaten comic.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ya Allah! Ya Khuda!!

    even the fake Ravi believes that in 1971 it was Pakistan that won the war and that Bhutto obtained the surrender documents signed by Indira Gandhi!!!!

    he hehehehehehehehehehehe

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    the article by Saminathan Aiyyar that ashish refers to. Few observation.the use of the word BANIA , this is HINDU CASTE PREJUDICE naked and obscene I think small traders are from all caste and RELIGION as well.
    Ashish also uses the word bania with the same prejudice as his fellow caste Aiyyar.
    THE CASE FOR FDI IN RETAIL HAS IN MY BOOK LITTLE TO DO WITH KIRANAS.
    It is entirely to do with QUANTUM leap in agricultural productivity , and also FOOD PRESERVATION through food processing thus stopping wastage.
    Add to this THE ECONOMY OF SCALE which is GUARANTEED to bring down prices.
    And lastly indian suppliers have the chance to supply WALMART to fill its GLOBAL INVENTORY.

    BUT NOT BEFORE THEFT IN ELECTRICITY IS STOPPED
    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The term ‘bania’ is used refer to the traders as a whole, irrespective of the actual caste of the people.

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  • Ravi

    आज मेरे साथ गुनगुनाओ

    तू कहाँ
    तू कहाँ ये बता
    इस नशीली रात में
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना
    हाय रे माने न
    मेरा दिल दीवाना

    तू कहाँ ये बता
    इस नशीली रात में
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना

    हाय रे हाय
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना
    हाय बड़ा नटखट है समां
    बड़ा नटखट है समां
    हर नज़ारा है जवान

    छा गया चारों तरफ
    मेरी आहों का धुंआ
    दिल मेरा मेरी जान न जला
    तू कहाँ
    तू कहाँ ये बता

    इस नशीली रात में
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना
    हाय रे माने न
    मेरा दिल दीवाना

    हो आई जब ठंडी हवा
    आई जब ठंडी हवा
    मैंने पुछा जो पता
    वो भी कतरा के गयी
    और बेचैन किया

    प्यार से तू मुझे दे सदा
    तू कहाँ
    तू कहाँ ये बता

    इस नशीली रात में
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना
    हाय रे माने न
    मेरा दिल दीवाना

    हाय..
    चाँद तारों ने सुना
    चाँद तारों ने सुना
    इन बहारों ने सुना
    दर्द का राग मेरा
    रहगुज़ारों में सुना

    तू भी सुन जाने मन
    आ भी जा
    तू कहाँ
    तू कहाँ ये बता

    इस नशीली रात में
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना
    हाय रे माने न
    मेरा दिल दीवाना

    हो ..
    प्यार का देखो असर
    प्यार का देखो असर
    आये तुम थामे जिगर
    मिल गयी आज मुझे
    मेरी मनचाही डगर

    क्यूँ छुपा
    इक झलक फिर दिखा
    तू कहाँ
    तू कहाँ ये बता

    इस नशीली रात में
    माने न मेरा दिल दीवाना
    हाय रे माने न
    मेरा दिल दीवाना

    कल्ले आये नानका सद्दे ही उठ जाए

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  • Anonymous

    After retail, Mamata Banerjee eyes pension bill

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/After-retail-Mamata-Banerjee-eyes-pension-bill/Article1-777927.aspx

    ————-

    She is also opposed to Land Acquisition Bill and God alone knows which other bills. Opposing for the sake of opposing.

    With leaders like her, India does not need enemies, we are very capable of maintaining our status as a third-world country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This is just her public stand. Otherwise she is a part of the ruling
    coalition and at the end of the day will agree with whatever policies
    UPA wants to pass.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Public stand and causing embarrassment for the Prime Minister and the UPA? I am not so sure.

    See also my reply to Shan above.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Manohar_T , you and ashish have an entrenched position against Mamata.
    Is it because she is a woman but with more TESTOSTERONE than all the bloggers combined
    However SHE HAS RESERVATION NOT OUTRIGHT OPPOSITION
    In the case of the PFRDA Bill, our leader Mamata Banerjee has not yet decided if we will support it.”

    Another union minister from the party, Saugata Roy, told HT: “As it relates to lifetime savings of common people, we have certain reservations about it.”
    IS THERE ANY MINISTER IN ENTIRE INDIA FOR THAT MATTER ON THIS PLANET EARTH WHO STILL COMMUTES FROM HER HOME IN KALIGHAT
    WHICH BY BLOGGERS STANDARD CAN BE BE CALLED A JHUGGI..
    That guy Saugata Roy used to Prof of Physics , probably most educated in central cabinet , given the sample from UP and Bihar that we have.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    1) “Is it because she is a woman”.
    The answer is no.

    2) She is a compulsive populist and agitator. She does not want to respect the majority view in the cabinet and the government – that is not how democracy works – consensus (and not unanimity) is the key word. With 19 members, she wants to ride roughshod over the rest of the majority in the government. Her track record during her stint at the centre speaks volumes – she would not attend cabinet meetings (the norm), so busy was she with her goals in West Bengal and then complain later that she was not consulted. If she does not agree with most of the policies, then what is she doing there? Let her withdraw support (and let the Government fall) – she cannot have it both ways.

    3) Commuting from her own home. No big deal, as she is from Calcutta / Kolkatta. There have been numerous instances in the past here in Maharashtra, where Cabinet Ministers (hailing form the city itself ) chose to live in their humble residences than move to official sprawling residences. There must be similar cases in other states too. I K Gujral continued to live in his own residence when he became the Prime Minister – the fact that it used to cause traffic jams all the way – is another matter altogether. When Sharad Pawar was the Chief Minister of Maharashtra – his entourage was his car plus one pilot car – and all traffic rules – stopping at signals, etc. like the rest of us, were followed – no policemen on the roads shooing people and cars away to clear the path. I have seen this myself several times. Inderjit Gupta of the CPI continued to live in the hostel for MPs even after he became the Home Minister. In this respect, she is certainly not one of kind.

    4) Highly qualified people in politics – nothing extra-ordinary. Is our Prime Minister less qualified than Saugata Roy – he certainly may not be the most educated minister and even if he is, so what? Murli Manohar Joshi was also a Professor of physics, so what are we are talking about? Whether professors of Physics make good politicians or not is a different matter.

    In any case, there is no empirical evidence to suggest any co-relation between one’s qualifications and performance as a minister or as a politician.

    The way she is becoming or is a spanner in the works – wonder what ‘poriborton’ she will bring about in her own state. We will have to wait and see.

    I feel sorry for Amit Mitra, her finance minister, in all probability his views on Economic policies do not seem to matter at all. What is he doing there?

    Concluding remark – it does not take long for a person to become a megalomaniac.

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  • Anonymous

    BJP ally Sharad points to Bellary-like scam in MP

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Bhopal/BJP-ally-Sharad-points-to-Bellary-like-scam-in-MP/Article1-777902.aspx

    —————-

    Is no part of the country free from scams and scandals?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where ever there are corrupt politicians — are there any honest politicians left –
    there will be scams and scandals.

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  • Anonymous

    CORPORATE HONCHOS ARE AFRAID TO TALK IN FAVOUR OF FDI REFORMS
    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    CORPORATE HONCHOS GIVE HALF HEARTED SUPPORT TO FDI AFTER SHEKHAR GUPTA CRITICISES THEIR SILENCE
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-dirty-business/883471/0

    Some excerpts:

    The three top-most leaders of this arrangement, Sonia and Rahul Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, have reduced their contact with India Inc as if by a conscious strategic design. Sonia and Rahul have not been seen at a corporate gathering: either an event of one of the chambers or the World Economic Forum for years. Even the prime minister’s contact with the most direct beneficiaries, and the most vocal supporters, of his reform has diminished to almost nothing. He no longer goes and speaks at the chambers.

    The fact, therefore, is that corporate India, over the past two years, has felt left out, if not orphaned. This at a time when half the ministers are back to old “we are the mai-baap sarkar so we will decide” ways, the bureaucracy is more powerful and indecisive than ever, regulators are non-existent or weak if not compromised,

    Sonia and the prime minister are cold-shouldering the chambers and Rahul is not seen addressing students at IITs, IIMs, even BPOs that generate so many jobs.

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  • AshishC

    Where is the land for opening hypermarts?
    In Delhi, where I live, I don’t see barren land measuring a few sq km lying around which can be taken over and developed as a hypermart.
    So, big hypermarts will possibly come up in Burari or Manesar or .. but, wait, those towns are out of bound.
    Much ado about nothing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The hyper-sizes, which the international chains are used to ply their trade, will not be available in the already populated areas – given the lack of space and if space is available – the prohibitive cost of real estate.

    Perhaps they will buy into the existing Indian chains, many of which are already away from the populated areas at the present time In any case they have to find local partners willing to shell out 49% of the cost.

    Too much ado about absolutely nothing.

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    Ravi Reply:

    We are against you, no matter what

    Political slogan of a Pantomime Company

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  • Anonymous

    Veena Malik has ‘exposed’ for a video——-NEWS
    ________________________________________

    Veena Malik now sports an ‘ISI’ tattoo
    People of India are on Veena lattoo

    Veena Malik ab Pakistan ki Rakhi hai
    Usne jo dikhaya hai woh show room thaa
    basement ka Godown ab bhi baaki hai.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy

    Is there any “larger” reading in the victory of SriRamulu? Looks like the Reddy thugs own that district.. Was momney distribted to the constituents?
    2) why did BJP (and congress) discredit the Bangalore Corp vigilance engieer.. Seems there was crores of rupees of billing svcam in the corporation –

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  • Anonymous

    Fantastic post by Vijay On The big comedy called Yahya Khan:

    Vijay U have made me laugh and laugh on a Monday!

    As a child of 12 I would listen to the All India Radio along with my dad in 1971. When the comic and comicly named Yahya Khan capitualted we all jumped with joy.

    At that point my father would also tune onto Radio Pakistan to hear their version of the war. This was diamatrically opposite. That they werre winning.

    Is’nt there a message for all Pakistanis that today too as they launch terror worldwide, their jehadi leaders keep telling them lies?

    Sadly on this blog, Engrich takes up various forms in order to insult India and Hindus. And also cause divisions between Hindu- Muslims, Hindu-Sikhs and Hindus and Christians. He surely is brainwashed.

    How come a more literate person like Ravi has fallen victim to Engrich’s Kasab like brainwashing?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinoo59

    I avoid all forms of Brainwashing.

    The only difference is that Y O U – who aslo seems to have been brainwashed – recognise liberal POV as Brainwashing whilst accepting your own POV as being the truth.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinoo

    Thank you again for ur generous comments. I luv to expose hidden cells of jehadis who want to destroy our society like termites.

    Dont get fooled by Ravi’s outer veneer and claims of being liberal. Like Yahya and his mujrawalis, He and Engrich move in tandem. Engrich will pretend to be a Sikh, a Christian, a Dalit and say try to create fissures in the Indian society so that hindus develop hatred for other religions.

    Then Ravi steps in and gives it a sophisticated veneer. Maybe behenois.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You need to change your medication, clinical paranoia is a serious condition.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    you are too much! “Fissures n indian society started with golimaker and Shyamaprasad mukerji”!!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    YES SIR

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Start a thread if you want to discuss it.

    But that is my firm view.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    That is funny to hear that fissures started by Mukherji. Such a travesty of truth???? Just read pakistani papers, where few braves write real history.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinoo

    I always endevour to send the message with a tinge of humour. I am happy u enjoyed it…

    Ravi Reply:

    Mostly juvenile lavatorial humour

    Anonymous Reply:

    you WOW only your jihadi comrade with you POV.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo-
    Actually, the brainwashing situation there should be worse off than the Yahya days. At least there was no wholesale history change/”arab desendency’/madrasa culture at that time. Now with Zia Haq’s “transformation” in its 35th year, a populace has been created whose minds are well-conditioned to take any nonsense – hence the theories of Osama Laden’s no-existence (a plurality believes Osama was dead in late 2001), US/India caused floods….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    So you recognise that some form of state sponsored brainwashing is taking place in Pakistan. I will not dispute that.

    However, you consistantly refuse to acknowledge that there are organistaions in India who are also hell bent in pursuit of distorting Indian History and Identity, to serve their narrow political gains.

    Glad to say that Indian society is healty enough to withstand such onslaughts.

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  • Anonymous

    Here in Dubai there were about 50-60 small vegetable and mutton vendors just
    beside big retailer Carrefour. Six months back they were forced to close their
    shop as Carrefour wanted to expand.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If the vendors were just beside Carrefour , not surprising they had to close shop. They should move to residential neighbourhoods to set up their business
    where carrefour wont be able to open outlets because of space constraints

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Few years back these small vegetable, mutton and fish vendors
    were shifted beside carrefour from their original place where they were doing their business since very long time. Now because carrefour wanted to expand they were forced to move at the outskirts
    of Dubai where new vegetable market has come up. Few of them moved there and rest just closed their shops and went back to their
    countries. Most of them were from Pakistan and Bangladesh.

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  • Anonymous

    Arnab Mitra in his latest blog on Pakistan wrote-
    ” A respected colleague is aghast at my reaction. He accuses me of being intrinsically anti-Pakistani.” I’m not.

    Friends are invited to guess who that respected colleague could be ?

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  • Ravi

    Yahya Khan Opens a Super Market

    Under the new FDI(P) legislation Yahya Khan has opened a New Supermarket just the other side of the border. In tandem with the new liberalisation and increased trade between the two foes, new opportunities have opened up.

    These opportunities have been manipulated by corrupt politicians from both sides. An example is that Indian Onions can be supplied to Yahya Khan only by those who migrated from Sialkot to Noida via Khanna.

    Our own entrepreneur Vijay Kumar Khaplodia qualifies and has secured a deal with Yahya.

    Yahya sends “made in Sialkot” TENNIS RAQUETS to Vijay. Vijay in turn uses them to lob Indian Onions across the border, one at a time.

    In order to speed up the process, B V Shenoy has been roped in as a ball boy. Every day he wears the Vijay Kumar Khaplodia Ltd uniform, of Khaki Nikkar and Kali Topi and runs around feeding Vijay Indian Onions which he entusiatically lobs to his new friend and partner Yahya Khan.

    I can see Vinoo’s smile slowly turning into a grin.

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  • Anonymous

    @vinod sharma , PLEASE WRITE ON THIS SUBJECT WHICH DOES NOT CONCERN YOU AND ALL THE BLOGGERS.
    It is about HEALTH CARE in India. My post follows a NDTV documentary about MATERNITY SERVICES IN DELHI.
    It sticks two finger up the backside of MERA BHARAT MAHAN.
    Though I have to concede GOVT HAS INTRODUCED SOME REVOLUTIONARY MEASURES AND LAWS.
    Like forcing APOLLO INDRAPRASTHA AND FORTIS to accept BPL card hardholders.
    BUT THAT IS ON PAPER, the documentary showed the poor are fobbed off at the enquiry desk. Also GOVT has made laws YOU DONT NEED TO PRODUCE BPL CARD, just sign a declaration , AGAIN mo fu er people in the reception treats these poor people as if a cow has entered the hospital meant from treating humans.
    THIS IS WHERE THE CONCEPT OF OLIGOPOLY in Economics comes into play.
    There are NAAM KE WASTE hospitals in delhi run by MCD , delhi govt , and thus the perennial fight between bjp and congress.
    HEALTH AND EDUCATION SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THE HAND OF STATES AND MANAGED BY THE CENTRE. Just like CBSE is the benchmark now in school exams. there are hospitals run by railway and what not.
    THE ENTIRE HEALTH DELIVERY SHOULD BE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.
    Again ECONOMY OF SCALE will push down prices of saline , drugs and everything.
    Every district of India should have a MEDICAL COLLEGE where ONLY LOCAL boys and girls are allowed entree.
    THIS WILL IN STROKE REMOVE THE CURSE OF DOCTOR ABSENTISM, FOR THE LOCAL BOYS WONT HAVE PROBLEM IN WORKING ANYWHERE IN THAT DISTRICT.

    then far better option is, lets engage yourselves in pak bashing and silly tittle tattle , like BJ of yahya khan

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  • Anonymous

    just read a report about one Mr Mali, a Maharashtra sub-insp of police , being arrested for corruption.
    He apparenty has seven flats in Kalyan (five in the same building he lives), 75 acres of land in sholapur, 35 Kg of gold in his various lockers…

    Just imagine.. if a sub inspector can make this much, what about others? 2G Spectrum etc may pale in comparison to the aggregate bribery of the bureaucracy!

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi,

    Did you see how quickly and surely the jihadi, fake Ravi jumps to Pakistan’s defence?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Nearly not as quickly as you start your ABUSIVE POINT LESS posts

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    Ravi Reply:

    You mean this defence of Pakistan….

    Gopi

    So you recognise that some form of state sponsored brainwashing is taking place in Pakistan. I will not dispute that.

    However, you consistantly refuse to acknowledge that there are organistaions in India who are also hell bent in pursuit of distorting Indian History and Identity, to serve their narrow political gains.

    Glad to say that Indian society is healty enough to withstand such onslaughts.

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  • Anonymous

    There are no such organisations like Zia-ul-Haq’s jihadi terrorist squads. Don’t try to compare India and Pakistan in this respect.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I beg to differ

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It comes to you naturally after the experience you ahve gained in the dole lines of London.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just as it does to you while stitching Khaki Nikkars in Glamorous Creations in Bhanguluru

  • Anonymous

    which is shared only by your fellow jihadi, RamAutar, one fake Sikh and the other fake Hindu-both hard boiled jihadi fundoos.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Oh do frooking shut up you rancid Hindu Fundo

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi,

    start a thread and this fake sardar, asli jihadi will weave a yarn, which has the markings of green jihad

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just so I can counter your BHAGWA Charade

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  • Anonymous

    Vinoo,

    “I think Yahya khan is the big joker of history. We should make a comedy film on him. The comedy enacted by Engrich is similar….”

    AND GIVE ONE YEAR’S FREE PASSES TO FAKE RAVI AND FAKE RAM AUTAR, so that they can embrace each other and laugh to their jiadi hears’ content.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sanjay Dutt and Govinda are too busy, making a film

    Hum Do Sainani.

    Where two likely lads cross into Pakistan Border to steal its Nuclear Weapons.

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  • Anonymous

    I can only guess his initials” VS?

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi,

    the Reddys have shown once again that they have a strangle hold on Bellary district. Times Of India had carried a report that voters got Rs/500/-each for their vote. Sree Ramulu has won the ST seat, with the blessings of the big brothers.

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  • Guest

    Advani has always been what he now is but one is saddened to read about Vajpayeeji advising people to take out ten of the other side for each casualty.

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  • vijay !

    Sujata

    I think you have a Pavlovian reaction to what COngress and BJP do. If you actually want to be a good columnist and not a Congress PRO, be dispassionate and not anti BJP.

    Remember your love for the COngress made you look like a joker when it came to your giving a stamp of honesty to the supercorrupt and chor Chandrashekhar SIngh, the Congress president of Mumbai. Similarly your errors in this article are so gross and idiotic that you should revise it… or just proclaim that you are a handmaiden of Digvijay (digvinash) Singh.

    The Assam problem was a problem of infiltration by Bangladeshi invited in by DK Baroah and later surreptitiously supported all along by the Congress. Of coruse you will find the BJP and Modi out there.

    Very very funny! :)

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  • Anonymous

    Sujata,

    Even Digvijay Singh never said that Mr. Vajpayee is responsible for Assam issue. Could you possibly prove what you have written about him? If not, I’d take it as a comment made out of nowhere to justify your already arrived at conclusion i.e. BJP is to be blamed for Assam.

    By the way, in which blog or statement did Mr. Advani say that it is a Hindu-Muslim issue? He has been or record saying that it is clearly an issue of illegal migrants from Bangladesh.

    You have rightly stated – “Of course, there was always a serious issue of illegal immigration from Bangladesh and for this the Congress is to blame – they have been content to allow it to happen in the interest of their own vote bank”.

    That’s it. Period.

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    A completely useless and **** appraisal of the real problem, and, in the garb of article appeasing your paymasters Congress. When will you people realise that you have destroyed the basic foundation of honest journalism.

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  • The Shaft

    People migrate to the USA from Southern america; to Italy, Spain, France & Germany from african countries; to Australia & New Zealand from far-eastern countries; to England from India, Pakistan & Bangladesh – ILLEGALLY. After some time they start their businesses, buy property and make that country their home in every sense of the word. There are protests against them by the hosts, violence too sometimes – but there is never any mass killings as we have seen in Assam in the 80s and now. Why is there such a big cultural difference between our Assamese and other host nations?

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  • chandra

    great fictions writer working for Bangladesh invaders, i got my own doubt, if it is not Hindu Muslim issue why Muslim leaders converged at azad maidan and vandalized amar jyothi and molested many lady police and lady journalists, atalji
    s comment was apt, what will helpless do when invaders killing them and government became mute spectator, law prescribes violence for self deffence

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  • Ashish

    I also don’t understnd why this gandhi family is always kept aside whenever some scams come up. How come they are responsible for everythng good that happens with congress or is done by it(nothing in past years) but they are supposed to be completely clean and unaware of so many discrepancies right up their sleeves…..why so..?
    Why no body question them..?ok,if its Because they don’t allow so then also why our very much on the toe media never says anything about them having such secretive closely guarded public life….some one who’s entitled to use of air force planes and heavy security on the cost of tax payers money is obviously answerable to people..Why no one makes an issue out of it..?

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  • manas

    Upon reading the following posts, I feel sorry for you Mr Vir. I’d been one of your ardent followers and readers who always liked your non-partisan views but now I think that very unfortunately you have lost the credibility and the high ground of morality. I suggest you take a sabbatical from political writing because your personal interests seem to override your moral interests to write in favour of truth. Pls dont cheat yourself.

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  • Anonymous

    Vir Sanghvi praising Congress, BJP followers comments are virulent, he writes an article in which he criticizes the Prime Minister agreeing with most of the persons who are anti-Congress, still he is criticized. Which kind of article now Vir Singhvi should pen to make these guys happy.

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    Swaroop Mitra Reply:

    If he had any iota of self-respect he would never have done what he had been doing for years. Further, if he any remorse, he would have shoved his head in his ar#e and lived his remaining days that way.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No writer is completely neutral in his writings. Vir Singhvi has leaned towards the Congress in his articles, but has criticized this party as in this article, but has also praised the BJP whenever they have done something right.

    It seems that, to get in the good books of those who comment here, he may have to start criticizing the Congress in all his articles. LOL.

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    TMM Reply:

    All he needs to do is pronounce the guilty (read NaMo) as innocent and the Internet lunatics will be p[raising him till the end of the world.But will VS bite the bait?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never.

    Swaroop Mitra Reply:

    With good Dalals as Barkha, Rajdeep, Sagarika, this ar#e-licker, who needs enemies?

    Anonymous Reply:

    It seems that the best journalists, columnists and TV anchors are enemies of BJP, the way they are abused here. So please give the names who write in support of BJP. Let us also know who they are?

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Errr …”BEST” ???? whom are you kidding? They have exhausted their currency, they are most reviled and when their mugshots comes, the remote works hard.

    Rana Bhoumick Reply:

    TMM, hey hold your horses, NM “guilty”????
    Even the most partisan Judges of the Supreme Court could not “convict” him, even though they have entertained Teesta, Zakia, Mallika etc etc well beyond the protocols of the Court and you Mr TMM has branded him “guilty” ! Dont like him because he could invert a handicap into an asset, prefer our beloved Italian ex-maid, no problems, but have some ethical integrity. You may have sold your back-side, why sell your soul?

    Anonymous Reply:

    As I said in one of my previous comment, the layers between one who give the orders and the one who obeys and carries out the order is very thick. It’s gets very difficult to get any evidence against the person who the order in such circumstances. Same is the case with Narendra Modi.

    Javed Reply:

    by the same logic – Rajiv Gandhi 1984 then

    So Congress is more communal than BJP & les progressive

    So even if I consider the untruth that Modi orchestrated 2002 (even if he did not) – I should still vote Modi – he gives me the best deal compared to anyone else

    – Gujrati Muslim & Entrepreneur

    king Reply:

    does this applies to 1984 sikh massaccare. ?

    Ashish Kedia Reply:

    and you have been very much able to pass those layers and give out your verdict…

    king Reply:

    typical pseudo secular assumption/proof, without any proof

    king Reply:

    Singhvi has leaned towards the Congress ******
    — so he i not true or balanced, then how will he get respect.
    criticized this party *******

    —- there are 2 power centres in congress, he can & will say anything about PM, how about the other with sonia & rahul. Are they not aware of these things.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    King…you are totally off the mark, as this dalal. There has and always been ONLY one power centre,in the Corrupt Party ever since BapuJi took over, right through ChachJi, MataJi, Bananawala and now with our beloved Italian ex-maid. Our MaumiBaba wont even **** without the ex-maid’s approval.

    Javed Reply:

    an honest article where he blames Sonia Gandhy

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  • MK

    It is not the victory of congress in Karnataka, in toto, but it was due to one individual, who nurtured the baby initially and killed the same for some selfish motives. As seen in the past, congress rule in the state will have negative effect definitely at the center, resulting BJP capturing power.

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  • Anonymous

    MMS fall from grace? Did this guy ever have grace?

    What about Sonia’s fall from grace? Where is her morality when Robert Vadra’s loot is unearthed or National herald loot by her is unveiled?

    She is the epitome of corruption in India.

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    TMM Reply:

    Have you forgotten Bangaru Laxman and Operation Westend, Kargil Coffin Scam, Kargil Cess Misuse, Telecom Scam- Pramod Mahajan-Reliance-Arun Shourie-Bailout Package to Private Players, UTI Scam, Petrol Pump and Gas Agency Allotment Scam, Judeo Scam ,Centaur Hotel Deal, HUDCO Scam involving Ananth Kumar, Landscams in Rajasthan (Raje), Bellary Mining and Reddy Brothers, Kushabhau Thackre Trust Scam in MP, Land Allotment in Karnataka (Yeddyurappa), Uttrakhand Hydel Power scam, Land Scams in Chattisgarh mines, Cash For Query Scam in Chattisgarh, Pune Land Scam (Involving Mumbai BJP President), Nitin Gadkari-Adarsh Scam (Flat owner by proxy),Nitin Gaddkari and Purti, CWG- Sudhanshu Mittal and Vijay Kumar Malhotra & Co., VSNL Disinvestment Scam by Arun Shourie, Arvind Johri-Vajpayee-, Medical Procurement Scam – C P Thakur, BALCO Disinvestment Scam? And let’s not forget the massacre of Innocent people in Gujarat in 2002 when the BJP (NaMo) was in power.

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    king Reply:

    BJP was not good that’s why congress came to power & if they still want to behave like BJP, then might well bring back BJP.
    How convenient to forget GODHRA train burning.
    Centaur Hotel Deal – but you didn’t include the property bought by the Raheja group., why ?

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    Ashish Reply:

    you are partially correct but think once their is some fellow who is is pick-pocketing you and another one who is looting your house completely…what would you prefer being done to you…? get the answer and you will understand the diffrnce btwn bjp and congress. No body is saint in politics but the choice is just between more and less corrupts…so plz don’t create a divide and let these devotees of italian godmather loot our nation..

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  • NIRA RADIA

    AND YOU FALL FROM NAALI KE KEADE TO MAIN HOLE KE KEADE. RADIA FAME WALE HO NA AAP

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  • Ashok

    Analysed situation convincingly tht Cong tho strong in States, weak at Centre, but 2 give clean chit 2 MMS ‘of integrity n propriety” may nt b so, if so, he ought 2 hv left on his own, nw may still hv 2 go n also b d fall guy, after all ppl will say he is nt bigger than d party, (we r nt talking of being bigger than the country), just d party

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  • Ramchi

    We don’t have problems with you for your prejudice against BJP, Hindus and Bharath identity, understandably. But your new avatar of “protecting Sonia at all cost by exposing Manmohan Singh” has no takers.

    You made a clever by half attempt to re-enter politics but people are getting smarter now a days

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  • Xfather

    OUR KEJRIWAL WILL REPLY TO YOU IN PARLIAMENT ON 2014

    WE ARE WAITING FOR THOSE DAYS MR MANMOHAN AND CONG _ CORP MAFIA

    AAP IS ONLY SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    ravinder singh shekhawat Reply:

    agree…

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  • Anonymous

    So, Mr VS, you have been asked to clear the deck for Rahul F(ake) Gandhi by starting to blame MMS? MMS is a coward and spineless and you too have proved the same. My respect for you is now a history after Radia scandal. You should write blogs on food and movies. Stop trying to fake unbiased opinions, when you know you are still not absolved. You are guilty by association.

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  • NRamamurthy

    Dear Sir,
    Its not correctto say Mr.Manmohan Singh has been the in the total control of things, brought dis repute the Govt/party and now Mrs.Sonia Gandhi has stepped in as “savior” to party and Govt. Mr.Manmohan Singh has defended several scam tainted ministers of congress and allies, subjected to severe criticism and loss of personal credibility but chose to keep silence. Too much has been said into his defence of Mr.Bansal and Mr.Ashwini Kumar for the reasons they hail from Punjab. Mr.Ashwini Kumar’s meddling with Coalgate investigation is in fact to save the congress party head only, not the PM. The Minister of State in PM’s office , as well key bureaucrats in PMO were the “hand picks ” of Mrs.Sonia , hence the PM hardly enjoyed complete authority over things.Time has come for Mr.Manmohan Singh to act on his own and assert his power and take action against all those misused their office.
    N.Ramamurthy,
    Chennai.

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  • ravinder singh shekhawat

    mr sanghvi.. are you trying to make us believe that everything that happens in congress in controlled by just manmohan singh.. are you trying to absolve SG of her responsibility.. SORRY MR SANGHVI.. you are giving us the half truth and this is where you have compromised.. have some spine..

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  • TMM

    What a sweeping statement!!!’Every one is corrupt, except street dogs’ He He He!! Is Vishal among the ‘every one’ or among the ’street dogs’??

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  • bharatiya

    BJP lost it in Karnataka. Congress had to be just present there to win it. If you look at any stats it will tell you nothing worked for Congress, and it had won the same percentage of votes it won while in opposition in its previous term. This dynastic rule will go down in India’s long history as one of the darkest period of Indian history despite independence thanks to the machinations of the first family and the sycophancy of its members each vying to please a madam while selling out the country to the same mob from whom it struggled to win independence. Every day a new scam comes to light (at least coming to light due to its citizen’s vigilance and despite the best efforts of those conniving to hide it) and each scam betters its predecessor in scale and scope. What a performance… while the mango public suffers in desperation..

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  • Mac Metromax

    It may be recalled that since 1947, India had 13 PMs,5(five only) out of which TheNDA-II regime hasbeen branded led a “Congress govts.”,7(seven) were non-congress PMs and Dr. MM Singh is the PM of a Congress-led coalition-UPA Govt.!Only the “SIX” PMs could succcesfully completed the full 5-year term of office! BJP led Govt. could lastfor 13 days only in 1996!However, BJPled NDA -I govt. lasted for 13 months only during 1998-1999! And NDA-II for 51 months during 1991-2004!The last regime has been criticised as a “Saga of Sins,Scams and Shame”!yetBJPhassucceeded by Goebbellianpropaganda against UPA!It has reliedheavilyon aproacive CAG’s reorts!Theapex court hasrecently devlaredthatCAG Reportis NOT thelast word! So BJP’saccusations arefictionbased andnot valid!

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  • Mac Metromax

    Correction:The first line should be read as:It may be recalled that since 1947, india had13 PMs, outof which5 (five only)were led by Congress and 7(seven) wereon-congress PMs!And Dr. MM Singh is the PM of a Coongress-led coalition Coalition- UPA Govt.! Errr is regretted.-

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  • Javed

    congress deserves no credit in karnataka elections. They benefitted mainly from yeddy’s negative campaign

    BJP atleast deserves credit for jettisoning yeddy on corruption stand. they knew it was political suicide – they have taken the chance with the aim of providing good governance to India at centre at cost of losing this state.

    I HOPE SOMEONE IN BJP ARTICULATES THEIR STRATEGY WELL – IN ORDER TO REBUILD A NEW GOOD HOUSE YOU HAVE TO DEMOLISH THE OLD FAULTY HOUSE & START FROM SCRATCH

    there are a88holes who say modi magic didnt work. Actually modi magic worked – ppl of karnataka would have voted BJP if modi was the CM. Basically ppl of karnataka want 2 things in this priority:

    1. Governance

    2. No corruption

    BJP was dependent on satraps like Yeddy/Reddy who ensure failure in criteria (2). And BJP changed too many CMs after removing Yeddy – Yeddy kept on interfering after his removal & thus BJP failed on (1)

    Congress should be scared of their victory – the same reason that gave them victory can come to haunt them at national level 2014

    Bangalore 5 yrs ke liye mila par Dilli 10 yrs ke liye gaya

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  • rakesh katyal

    Dynasty loyalists are now saying what people have been saying all along, MMS is a weak indecisive and incompetent man who has destroyed India. But by doing this belatedly Sonia cannot wash her hands off from the responsibility of landing us in this sad state.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/swamyg.swamyg.3 Swamy G

    “I don’t want to pre-judge Pawan Bansal’s guilt while the investigation is on.” – really!? We thought you were the most eligible person to judge people on integrity and honesty- Vir!!

    “The Manmohan Singh government is now so deeply involved in scams and
    cover-ups that it has lost the ability to tell wrong from right. The
    prime minister has lost his moral compass as he has struggled to stay
    afloat.” … look who’s talking! If Mr Sanghvi can make disparaging remarks about Mr Singh and his government, the situation with the latter should be really, really bad!

    Like they did to BJP in Karnataka, there is hope that people might throw out the corrupt at the central government. Mr Sanghvi will of course, live on!

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  • anand

    It is well known that Prime Minister is not in the driver’s seat and he only has to assume responsibility when things go wrong but there are others in the Congress Party who run the show but not answerable to anyone.

    We had the case earlier when CBI had raided the offices of Stalin, the younger son of Karunanidhi immediately after DMK withdrew support to the UPA government. Prime Minister and Home Minister both confirmed in public that such a raid took place without their knowledge. CBI Director however confirmed that he had the authorisation. His statement was never questioned because the CBI had the authourisation to go ahead but PM and HM were not in the loop.

    There are other people in the Ministry with the backing of the Congress President who pull the strings and many times the PM is totally unaware of what has happened and he may get to know through Media reports only.

    A sorry state of affairs. That is why Manmohan Singh is a weak Prime Minister and he was rightly chosen to head the government so that the Party bosses han have a free access in manupulating the Government Machinery towards their own agenda and he will be a silent spectator.

    He has accepted this working arrangement from Day one and he cannot blame anybody else for this.

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  • duggal

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    MODI FICTION : Video Conference & Feku Modi

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    Brothers and Sisters and Mothers. You must have seen top management
    of different companies travel a lot to meet people across the world.
    Even our political leaders do so often. In the process they waste so
    much of public money and time. I do not understand why they have to
    travel to China, Japan,Italy,UK or USA to meet people. I was very
    disheartened by the attitude of our political leaders.

    I kept on thinking. I was not sure how to bring about a change in
    people’s mindset. One day I was talking to Amit Shah at 1am over the
    phone. I had not seen Amit for a long time. These courts had kept him
    away from me. I had this very strong urge to see him.I felt very sorry
    not able to see him face to face. His voice was not enough for me. Amit
    had made so much sacrifice for me. I really felt like seeing him. Next
    day, I asked my officials to do something. I gave them a NEW VISION. I
    said ” think of something so that I can see people at the other end
    while I am talking over the telephone”.

    My Brothers and Sisters and Mothers. ! My official are so efficient
    !! Exactly in 56.31 hours they developed a system through which I could
    see people at the other end of the telephone. Even they could see me ! I
    was excited about this new system. I inaugurated this system next day.
    First I talked to Amit Shah in the jail through this system. Amit was
    very happy. I asked him to name the system. You know how intelligent
    Amit is. He has a very sharp brain. He said “Modi Bhai ! Let’s call this
    “Video Conference”, insread of telephonic conversation. My Brothers and
    Sisters and Mothers !! Since then I am using this new video
    conferencing system. We have licensed this to Sony, AT&T and Gujrat
    is earning billions of dollars in royalty.

    Recently, I decided I would not travel to other countries like these
    ordinary politicians from UPA. These politicians waste so much money !!!
    I now use my Video conferencing system to talk to NRI’s all over the
    World, particularly in USA. What does USA think of itself ? Only USA has
    the technology ? I will show USA its place. I will refuse USA video
    conferencing technology when I become the PM. They have to kneel before
    me for this Video Conferencing Technology. I will tell them ” you give
    me the latest nuclear and space technology, I will give you the Video
    conferencing technology”. My Brothers and Sisters and Mothers ! This
    I,Me,MYSELF Modi has deemag na !

    This is not MODI FICTION at all. This is only MODIfication. : Feku Modi

    -
    copied from net

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  • king

    Manmohan Singh’s fall from grace
    —- so UPA, congress, sonia & rahul, are not be blamed, and do these have any grace. singh has become scrapgoat….& paid media will justify it

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  • Anonymous

    The real caption should be “Nehru-Gandhis fall from grace”.

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