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Here are some other facts.

1. For thousands of years in the Hindu Society Education was only available to Brahmins. However, some notable exceptions exist, but by and large this is true.

2. Aryans are aliens to the Indian sub-continent where they have for 3 millennia or more, marginalised the indigenous tribes and other sections of the population. So much so that the History of Northern India is synonymous with the History of Aryans.

3. Access to education and other such privileges are still very much governed by one’s caste. Lower the caste more difficult it is for an individual to gain access to education. Significant improvement has taken place over the last 200 years or so mainly due to the policies of the Brits – though not exclusivly -, and none of it due to any change of heart among the conservative Hindu society. For an example of progressive Hindus, see below.

4. The function of reservations is to address inherent in-equalities that exist in our society. We have reservations for a whole variety of criteria. There are reservations to address in-equalities due to religious disadvantages, regional disadvantages, even for children whose fathers served in the forces, etc etc.

5. Opposition to reservation is almost always led by middle class, Hindu upper castes because the change in status quo hurts them the most.

6. To maintain caste based hierarchies of privileges is the main agenda of Hinduatva. It wants to re-establish the rigid caste system and denigrate minorities to a permanent second class citizenship.

7. Whilst I believe the current reservation system can be improved upon, even over-hauled, it remains necessary to create even tiny semblance of equality in our society.

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Reservations in favour of Backward Classes (BCs) were introduced long before independence in a large area, comprising the Presidency areas and the Princely states south of the Vindhyas. Chatrapati Sahuji Maharaj, Maharaja of Kolhapur in Maharashtra introduced reservation in favour of non-Brahmin and backward classes as early as 1902. He provided free education to everyone and opened several hostels in Kolhapur to make it easier for everyone to receive the education. He also made sure everyone got suitable employment no matter what social class they belonged. He also appealed for a class-free India and the abolition of untouchability. The notification of 1902 created 50% reservation in services for backward classes/communities in the State of Kolhapur. This is the first official instance (Government Order) providing for reservation for depressed classes in India.

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Reservation coupled with Minority Protection Bill is the volatile combination for experimentation on India as merit is relegated to the back seat. It is designed to push it through its transient phase fof tectonic shift.

After successful implementation of above civilised world can say good buy to India as it will expedite its fall to meet the eventuality, matching Mayan civilisation.

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Muslims never ruled 800 yrs, they ruled parts of India, on an average half of this India for about 500 yrs. Do you say whole muslims have to suffer for the misdeeds of one Syed A Khan? Anyway, if India is a secular and democratic nation run under the present constitution, it has to adopt affirmative action. Otherwise, how would you remove the present systematic social oppresion, suppresion or discrimination? Are you happy with the present morally corrupt society? How would India aspire to become superpower keeping 1/5th of population slave? Under Muslim rule, hindus (brahmins) fluorished, but those who were half hindu (lower class) embraced islam for social dignity. But as the power remained with brahmins, these new muslims were kept oppressed till today.

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About eighty percent of this article justifies reservations for the former rulers of Islamic India and about ten percent of it says that the former Islamic rulers of India should not take the reservation. About ten percent of it is about bashing the people of India who did not succumb to arabization. Something tells me that Zia would have turned out to be a better person if he had stuck to his childhood principle that he wouldn’t read the Koran because it did not have any colorful pictures. He says

“There is, in our Constitution, a clear promise for reservations on the basis of “backwardness”.”

Backwardness of mind can’t be cured by reservation nor can it be used to extort undeserved special benefits to a particular religious community who were the former rulers of India. If “material backwardness” is the criteria for reservation, then I am all for it. Then we don’t need a religious or caste based reservation. I would have had more respect for Zia if he had made that case since that would cover all materially backward people including Muslims without injecting religious poison into reservation just like Zia is trying to do here but to who’s benefit I wonder….

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Very good points but I suspect that it would fall on deaf ears or at least on people who are acting deaf.

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2/3rd of sub-continental muslims are enjoying 100% reservation..Is that not enough? I fail to understand shamelessness of Indian muslims? They were given choice between secular India and theocratic pakistan. If they wanted reservation, they should have moved to pakistan.

The fake sikhs can invent history to suit their interest but it is not going to get thru..If muslims try to push their luck, they are in for huge disaster.

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There should be no reservations for anyone… rules should be the same for everyone, the over glorified, yuppie youth of today are too dazed with gizmos and fast cars to form an opinion leave alone cast their vote, there is a urgent need to change the demographics of political parties being, run by a consortium of landgrabbers, criminals, the scum of the universe, all fundamentalist parties based on religion creed or caste need to be banned or else well all have to immigrate to other places..!

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Zia you are asking for reservation without appearing to be doing so. Any reservation based on communal lines will have disastrous consequences. Infact it is only politics which is keeping reservation for Dalits. We should have got over them by now. Like your community excels in keeping its own people backward smilarly well to do Dalits have grabbed the complete benefits of reservations for themselves and are keeping them alive for own benefits. You have to learn to work hard and get your due by sheer hard work. India gives a fair chance to everyone.

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I want to add one very important observation about Muslims of the world that their loyalty to the Islam comes first and than to their respective countries AND this mindset will never let them grow in any pluralistic society. Belief that islam is a religion of brotherhood is not true if this would been true than all islamic countries should unite and create on great islamic nation. Fact of the matter is that no two islamic nations are great friend of each other. We should follow our religion but keep nation above any other thing , even above one’s own family

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London to become Londonistan .

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50461-liberalism-fuels-radical-islamism.html?tmpl=component&print=1

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Dude, you never stop. Do you? Give it a rest.

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I think it’s better to reform misguided people than reward them with land for their utter idiocy. Anyways there is not enough land to give off to bigoted religious groups anymore. Anyways I believe that most progressive Muslims are an asset to the country unlike some bad apples like our Zia here.

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Zia should ask himself this question. He says that he writes about “Muslim affairs” for HT. Fine. So why are very few Muslims coming here in this forum for defending his opinions? Are they ashamed of his opinions and don’t consider it mainstream or respect worthy? Take for instance this gem

“Well, there are those who have even denied the Holocaust ever took place.”

Why would any Muslim want to defend this kind of gutter level opinions from Zia which compares the people who think that Muslims are not particularly ill-treated in India with holocaust deniers???
By the way , holocaust deniers of the twenty first century are mostly Muslims led by dear leader from Iran. This is a result of arabization where Muslims who are not Arabs have absorbed the Arab hatred of Jews through their religious networking.

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The weak minded will always find some one to blame. In India, they blame the Hindus and in the UK they will blame the white man. This is a victimhood industry and it’s very profitable for some people.

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Brother Abu, since you are against discrimination, I hope that you are also against Caste and religion based reservation which puts meritocracy in the trash bin and discriminates against people who really work hard in favor of people who do not perform as well.

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No wonder 65% of all bengalis have converted to Islam..

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You seem to be cross between Camel and Donkey.

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The hallmark of muslim societies all over the world especially in non-muslim country is that they depend on Khairaat and always play victim card.
The commonality between muslims living in non-muslim countries-
1. Khairaat dependent.
2. a sense of vicitimhood
3. Cry baby
4. hatred for host country
5. Immense love for fascist muslim countries.
6. No repect for non-muslims’
7. Demand total respect for Islam
8. use of violence
9. propaganda against jews
10. Spread lies like ‘Islam is religion of peace’ (actualy they mean ‘religion of piece’ as they always want to divide host country).
11. Demand secularism when it suits them and demand Sharia where they are in majority.

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13%reservation should be given to high.muslims should have 15% as per numbers.70%to backwards and dalits.

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Go around in muslim colleges and see representation of non-muslims in different teams.

You guys just whine.

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If you want to experience what real discrimination is like, live as a Hindu in any Islamic society of your choice. Islamic societies operate as cults and have internalized and institutionalized discrimination based on their religious bigotry which they are taught at a very young age. The people who beleive in the dharmic way of life did not. If they had, your name won’t be Abu Ahmed but some ram Singh or Bheem Singh. Arabization speaks through people like you. You have to understand that turning you against your own forefathers culture is a surefire way of keeping you within the imposed and foreign “faith”. You may be unaware of it since you are in the targeted bubble but millions are spent by a certain govt in the middle east in India just for this singular cause. You have to ask yourself what a foreign govt gets in return for funding madrases, mosques and propaganda against the dharmic way?

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You are spewing typical muslim propaganda…Divide hindus and enjoy at their cost. We can see thru your designs.

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if u have particular point challenge.read argumentative indians.horses and cows are not indian animal.see ur epics.all kings ang holy people are white evil persons are black brown or blue.

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Well, Sachar report says affirmative action has benifitted greatly to SCs and STs. So why not to poor muslims? They don’t need Hajj subsidy. Sachar report found that only 3% muslim children goes to madrassas, Only poor muslims send their children, because it is completely free and but serves at least two purposes, a low paid job of priest/imam and the religious knowledge to keep the islamic tradition. Jiziya tax is a normal tax to an able non-muslim like a muslim pays the tax (Zakat). Only the names are different. Tax citizens pay everywhere. So don’t put some absurd arguments. Muslims are striving, but need some govt. support.

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pakistan can be divided further so as to make room for those indian muslims who want to separate from india!!!

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“I fail to understand why, if reservation is good for Dalits, is it bad for Muslims”

Who can argue with that? Is that your “winning” argument?

I also failed to understand why, if reservation is good for Muslims, is it bad for all nonmuslims. After all, a significant section of people from the muslim religious group divided the country on religious lines in 1947 resulting in that Islamist cesspool we now call Pakistan which has become a headache not only for India but for the whole world.

That’s my winning argument.

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Bush is white so is he more divine than Mohammad and your Allah?

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Egnrich says “because he was blue.not white.only white is divine and worth praising and honour.”

Does that mean WHITE Bush is more divine than BROWN Mohammad? Never knew muslims love Bush so much.

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ravi bahi and shan,a good video,

Libya War Lies – Worse Than Iraq – Video – Thomas Mountain

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the above shows ur lack of knowlledge.except pakistan all muslim countries of the world iincluding saudi arabia run on reason,not on religion.

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Universities like AMU, Jamilia Milia, Hamdard have how many hindu students, and they are good universities

in good facaulties percentage of hindu student is more than 50%.

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descrimination is base of hinduism.they descriminate everybody ,except their jaatiwalas,hence dont complain.keep ur hand in pocket,while dealing with them.

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what is wrong u bhadrlok ,chang ur skin like lizard to fool inians.40 yrs u became marxist to fight islam.did nothing for indians.enjoyed urslf.u are 13%.take 13%share of national wealth.
u are looting india since arrival of britishers.u were their a$$ licker and bootpolishers.helped them to kill half the population of bengal bihar and orrisa in first 50 years of rule.
muslims always change.for u people it is the same ,vivekanand,tagore and blood thirsty durga from 150yrs.no election ,no change in surrounding is bringing any social or mental change.
poors of bangla desh is in far better position than poorsof wb

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Hahahaha…tejinder, Krishna is not a real person. He is a character in a mythology. I set a trap for you and you fell right into it. By the way, it looks like arabization not only distorts history of real world but it also distorts the mythical world of mythology. Funny man!

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