To bar or not to bar



Dance bars, it was said, were the soul of Bombay but it did not make much of a difference to the common people when they were shut down in 2005. It might, though, make a huge difference to the lives of several dance girls if they do reopen after the Supreme Court lifted that ban this week – though I am sure the government will fight hard to keep the ban in place.

However, I notice this is one of those rare instances where the issue cannot be seen in terms of black and white – both arguments are true and valid, yet both situations lead to their own share of evil. The government’s justification for the ban is that these dance bars were a hot bed of illegal activity, including organised crime and prostitution, apart from ruining whole homes from where young men were lured and rendered bankrupt by their fascination for bar dancers. With ministers comprising mostly Maratha men, they were also worried that young men from the rural areas were attracted more to city dancers and were turning a blind eye to the allurements of tamasha artistes – who are the traditional and classical versions of bar dancers – as a result of which this ancient tradition of Maharashtra was in danger of extinction.

However, though the bar dancers were just 75000 in numbers, the government could not come up with an adequate plan for their rehabilitation and it is true that many of them were forced into involuntary prostitution to eke out a living when they could easily have used the eight years they were out of business to shore up their resources and seek a decent living in different sectors as Shagufta Rafique, a successful script writer from Bollywood did after a rather sleazy start in life when she had no better option – by her own admission dancing in bars saved her from a worse fate but not everybody is or could be as lucky. The flip side of the argument is that bar dancers are slack and lazy and were not interested in government schemes to set them up as seamstresses or in other forms of cottage industry. They chose the easier option of becoming sex workers instead of putting in long hours at sewing machines or embroidery frames.

Who would want to see young girls forced into prostitution but my argument against the government is that it is not their business to moralise or compel anyone to take to professions they may not be skilled at or have no interest in pursuing. Yet, it is also true that the dance bars often become hideouts for gangsters and rogue cops – a lot of conspiracies are hatched under the cover of song and dance at these bars while a majority of the girls may still end up as sex workers after work hours under threat of losing their jobs at the bars if they did not co-operate with their employers or their clients. Men have been known to spend generously at these bars – it is said that Abdul Karim Telgi, the notorious cheat in the stamp paper scam, had been so fascinated by one particular bar dancer that he Rs 90 lakh in one night showering her with currency notes.

That should have helped the girl get out of the profession and shore herself up with enough assets to live a decent existence the rest of her years. But that did not happen because not all the money she earns in a night of dancing belongs to the bar dancer – her employer takes a major share and, given that the girl draws men into the bar, employers are reluctant to let such golden geese quit and return to their homes in faraway villages.

And while Maharashtra’s Home Minister R R Patil is right in saying that the existence of dance bars added to corruption in the police ranks for several cops were benami owners of such bars, it is also true that since these were hangouts for criminal gangs, the cops also succeeded in gathering much information about crime, possible terrorism and other activities for the bars also served undercover cops well in meeting their khabris without arousing any suspicion among the conspirers. In this case, too. Crime neither ended in Bombay nor did it increase manifold when the dance bars were shut down. So it is impossible to support any particular argument in complete favour of their existence or upholding the ban.

To my mind the only fundamental truth is that every citizen has a right to existence and if there are millions of girls in this country who can only earn a living through dance, then it would be impossible to argue for denying them a right to a living, decent or otherwise. For who is to decide what is moral a or not – in the days before the bars were shut down I knew many politicians – now still at the forefront of calling for continuation of the ban – who were frequent visitors to these dance bars. I and a female colleague, too, had gone bar hopping one night under the protection of a particularly well known politician at the time – and when we entered those bars while bouncers at the doors were terrified at the sight of two determined women (they thought we were cops) approaching the doors, they seemed to know and recognize and very familiar with the politician in tow.

The girls who put up special performances for us (or was it just him) said, “that’s it?” when we left after a number or two. I do not know if they were disappointed with the short time we were there or with a thinner bundle of cash than usual (for our benefit) that he put down on the table as we exited.

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  • vijay !

    Vinod SHarmaji

    Does the Congress now have credible faces to win over the people of India?

    They have a set of glib lawyers who may argue well, but in the end seem to be defending Vadra and co, even though it is apparent to all, that something is being hidden.

    Re-fielding Manu Singhvi, may make the Congress vulnerable as his CD is now a hit on the Net. During election time, the opposition– SP, BSP, BJP will just tell the public to do a search fo the CD on Google.

    Renuka, Manish Tewari, etc hardly inspire the public to changeover.

    The Congress needs plastic surgery to have a new look. And that can only happen in case it starts punishing people like Khurshid and Vadra. Difficult… but that is the only way out for it.

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  • Anonymous

    Among the congress leaders who got the worst press, SM Krishna scores top 10 for being an international joke by reading Spanish FM’s speech in the UN!

    Next comes Kapil Shoonyakapal Sibal, who too scored many zeroes in the 2G scam, and he has the distinction of getting the flak even without making any money in the scam himself!!!!!

    Recently Sonia Gandhi too exposed herself as the most insensitive leader the congress had the misfortune to be led by, when, referring to the spate of rapes in congress ruled Haryana, she said that rapes are common occurrences everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The media’s darling, Shashi Sunanda Tharoor who called the ordinary Indians cattle class, had the mortification of being made to lose his job when the same media turned against him.

    The worst was yet to come. It came when a group of senior ministers led by Chidambaram defended Sonia Gandhi’s son-in-law, Vadra as being spotlessly clean, despite the same favourable and favoured media was trashing the land grabber Vadra with lurid details of his skills at grabbing fertile land at throw away prices.

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  • Anonymous

    When Vinod SHarmaji is expressing fond hopes of a revival in the fortunes of the congress and also of the party rising from the ****** hole it has been pushed by the opposition, media and the civil society, the chief of congress party’s storm troopers, Digvinash Singh, has created fresh controversy and a big stink by taking on Rakhi Sawant.

    Rakhi Sawant has asked her lawyer to file a 50 crore rupees defamation case against Digvinash Singh, whom she also accused of passing lewd remarks and eve teasing.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    It sounded like verbal rape! Imagine Digvinash facing rape charges!

    Is he the new face of the Congress?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now Digvinash SIngh says that Raakhi is his best friend!

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  • micheal

    A report issued by the Movement Against State Repression (MASR) quotes the
    Punjab Civil Magistracy as writing “if we add up the figures of the last few
    years the number of innocent persons killed would run into lakhs [hundreds of
    thousands.]” According to Sardar Mann, the Indian government has murdered over
    a million Sikhs since 1982. Sardar Inderjit Singh Jaijee, author of The
    Politics of Genocide, and Bibi Baljit Kaur of the Movement Against State
    Repression (MASR) told Dr. Aulakh that if it were not for the efforts of the
    Council of Khalistan, that number might be ten times as high. India has also
    killed more than 300,000 Christians in Nagaland, over 100,000 Muslims in
    Kashmir, and tens of thousands of Tamils, Assamese, Manipuris, and others. The
    Indian Supreme Court called the Indian government’s murders of Sikhs “worse than
    a genocide

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    Anonymous Reply:

    did not understand the connection-

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    joshi Reply:

    politics of genocide

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    You liar!!

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  • Ravi

    Happy JihaDiwali
    From Uncle Hafeez Bhagwat

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    Anonymous Reply:

    tere rom rom se ek hi aawaaz nikalti hai, ‘jihadi, jihad, jihad’.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aur toon samajhta hai ki har aawaaz Rome Rome se nikalti hai

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  • Anonymous

    Sharma must be living in some other world if he thinks the Congress issue is only a lack of credible voice..

    Action speaks 100 times more than words. Provide a corruption free administration, launch/implement growth/employment generating schemes..

    They cannot fool people all the time.. They are hitting the brickwall.

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    Another hogwash from a leftover pasta eater. Vinod Sharma you are one of the most credible voice of Congress, Has it made any effect except proving you to be a off-the-shelf bought out journalist. What a mockery of Journalism you are.

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  • Anil

    Could not stop loughing! Congress and credible talks? What they are going to talk about? Only connection they can have with people is those who are fool they are only going to worship them and go to trance by having the good luck of getting the leftovers from their masters! Talk is a two way street and it certainly not for Congress!

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    VINOD JI ,TO BE TRUSTED ONE MUST BE TRUST WORTHY.TAKE CASE OF SINGHVI.FIRST HE WAS OPPOSED BY KERALA CONGRESS AS A LAWYER FOR LOTTERY MAFIA, RESULTING IN REMOVAL AS SPOKESPERSON. IT LASTED FOR SOME TIME. THEN A SMALL TRUSTWORTHY CD WAS FOUND,AGAIN REMOVED.THE CONGRESS HAS A PROBLEM TO CHOOSE,BETTER OUT OF WORST.FOR YOUR HAPPINESS ,HE IS BACK.
    YOU NEED A CHARACTER FOR CHARACTER ASSASINITATION.
    OF COURSE , VINOD SHARMA IS LIKE” SAWAN KE ANDHE KO SAB HARA HI DIKHTA HAI”,AMAN WHO BECAME BLIND DUURING MONSOON ,SO HE ALWAYS IMAGINE GREENERY AROUND.SO YOU FIND ALWAYS BJP AROUND.
    IF AFTER SO MANY YEAR OF JOURNALISM,THIS WHAT YOU CAN THINK ,YOU CAN WRITE OFF YOURSELF AS A COLUMNIST.

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Very well said, Ramesh. The thick layer of pasta leftovers in his brain doesn’t let him think unbiased. A loyal slave of his masters. Pasta.farians have bought most of the media.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ramesh- agree!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ramesh,

    I agree with your colourful response. There are many colours here, besides green.

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  • Anonymous

    Owaisi and his Musselmam Majlis MIM party have withdrawn their support to Kiran Reddy Congress govt in Andhra; and to the UPA govt.

    He says Congress is not secular – because they allowed an expansion of a temple facility here.

    Congress lost a good spokesman — he is the one who openly stated in the parliament hall about Muslim Jehad in India if the Assamese Muslims were not settled fast enough.

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  • Vinod Chaprashi

    Vinod Chaprashiji, how are you? Your boot licking of the Congress boss like Rahul Gandhi and her mother corruption Queen and world ranking top ten among the most corrupt politicians with a loot of 19 bil(Courtesy Swiss magazine),is really stinking. I know your are worrid about your Chaprashi job of the the Congress cairperson Soniaji and Rahulji is going to be over in 2014 and that is why your are worrid. i have few questions for you. First of all what do you think that all amm Admi are stupid and boot licker like you. Are they blind? Even if you get out of your fat Arse and go out for sirvey, you will be surprised to see that even a 10 years old kid know howmany scams took place under your party Boss’’s rule, 2G, Adarsh, Coal gate, common wealth game, robert Vadra real estate scams, Rahul and Sonia ’s herald tribune money launderting business, and then the holding of Sonia Ji and rahulji’ swiss acoounts which are in billions and it open secret now. The French government just gave a CD of 700 names s Germans have already given 86 names and their account number. Being a Rahulji’s Chaprashii , we know your job is to lick thier arse clean but please do not advise them how to talk in the media, they have nothing to say…I mean they need a mask to come befaore Media and Amm Admi, if they have any shred of shamelessness. now every body knows your job status and no body really give damn of your pathetic bias opinion. But one thing you are lucky that you do not need a mask, when you come to NDTV or Timesnow, i always think by looking at your face, am i on the wrong animal channel, so similarirty with your ugly face.

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  • pankaj#1

    Congress spoke persons.
    Vinodji, at least few of us are not anti congress just for the heck of it. but its policies, present congress policies, is worst than immature.
    off hand, i can mention only few.
    6/11 was RSS conspiracy- digvijay. Cattle class- Shashi tharroe, AAm admi in banana republic- Vadra, You come to Farrukhabad but how you will go back- Salman Khurshid. Hindu right is bigger threat than LET. Are these illustrious representing congress of yore??- mother of all the present political parties? Nah, it has acquired a very ugly face and character.

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  • Anonymous

    Once Rolex & Timex got to talking.

    Timex says “You show the time as well as I do, so what’s the big fuss bout you?”.

    Rolex replied Calmly, “Tum aadmi ko waqt batate ho, Main aadmi ka Waqt batata hoon”

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji says, “They (congressmen) need to be trained to talk the right thing at the right time, rather than talking out of turn they so often do.”

    Here is how they should train themselves to “speak”.

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  • Anonymous

    Rakhi Sawant attacks Digvijay, says he besmirched her ‘noble character’, wants Rs 50 cr.——–Indian Express headline.

    Digvinash says we will instead give you the post of congress spokesperson, by removing Renuka Chaudhary. He says she can make 500 cr and also become a star performer.

    Rakhi says she will consider.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Basically Rakhi and Digvijay are evenly and well matched.. Mirror images of each other!

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  • engrich

    congress will will with wide margin like mubarak hussain al amama.sonia and mms are doing great job.allah give them power and show them right path.leftists are weak and rightists represents evil.

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    engrich Reply:

    will will
    will win

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    anon Reply:

    why don,t you will will your will.

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  • pankaj

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEaZhQ7kY8&feature=related

    mujhse pahlee see mohabbat meri mahboob na maang

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great and very very true presentation of the existing situation as well as past follies.

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  • vijay !

    —————————————————————————————————
    ~~ ZAKIR LAKHVI ~~ fornificates in jail ~~ courtesy Chacha Hafeez & ISI~~
    ==============================================================

    LeT Honcho the evil Zakir Hussain Lakhvi, is supposedly in jail, but apparently he is being supplied with young innocent nubile girls by Chacha hafeez and ISI. SO much so he is fathering new Jehadi children, in consonance with Sharia .

    This is in the same pattern as Terrorist Osama bin Laden used Sharia laws to hide himself with three women for orgies, while all the time, planning to blow up the world.

    Pakistan we all know is a hell hole recognising no human rights. But of course recognizing sexual rights of evil men like Lakhvi and Osama.

    No wonder Ravi batted for Sharia… and Engrich supported him!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And this is how the Sharia-loving jihadi, fake Ravi ingratiates himself with the chacha, Hafiz Saeed.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Surprising the brainwashed nut tried to obfuscate by comparing Sharia with Khap!

    Khap is an anarchy which the Indian people and government will remove and have removed mostly.

    Sharia is a reality which even the educated Pakistanis and other brainwashed morons want to impose on the world and on all Muslims!

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    Ravi Reply:

    So perhaps you the chief Khaploathya can attempt to differentiate between the two assuming that you have satisfied the love lust of Mohan Bhawat.

    To avoid any confusion

    There is NO difference between Sharia and Kahp…both are rgeressive religion based civil laws.

    There is no difference between LeT and RSS. RSS is bigger.

    There is NO difference between Hafeez and Mohan Bhagwat..both lead regressive Religious Fundo organisations

    Now you can bleat all you like.

    vijay ! Reply:

    You are just a low level cheapskate as Vinoo diagnosed. And a Low level employee of the Pak embassy in the cyber cell as I have diagnosed.

    I suggest that the next time Hafeez Saeed enters you from behind, you should wear a suicide jacket and then press the button. Both of you will reach jannat in a state of ecstasy!

    With a part of him inside you… ! DO jism ek jaan ban jayegi!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Very funny!! Vijay you have taken away my hangover…!

    This man will now just copy what you have written!

    vijay ! Reply:

    Hi
    Sent from my BlackBerry® on Reliance Mobile, India’s No. 1 Network. Go for it!

    Anonymous Reply:

    You were applauding Sharia in the last blog!

    Khap is not religion based. It is just a few elders trying to impose their will. It is NOT a law.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In fact in true Jehadi Fashion Ravi was shedding crocodile tears saying that people who oppose Sharia are Islamophobes!

    Ravi Reply:

    They are.

    Ravi Reply:

    Is that you Vinoo59, the guy who professes to have some incisive Forensic Skills? I believed you but it seems along with the fact that you are severely challenged in reading ability, comprehending ability and now your ability to make rudimentary judgments is in great doubt.

    I think you should attend your local Shakha for some refresher courses.

    vinoo Reply:

    rss is snake hiding in grass.they are old spies and sleeping vipers of international zoinism/brhmnsm.

    Anonymous Reply:

    wow! Lose the argument and now you guys come in disguise to disrupt and push Sharia here!

  • Anonymous

    Paresh Rawal, an actor has slammed politicians for the scams and problems in our country. He gave an interesting answer to one of the question .

    What is your solution to the problem?
    One, voting should be made compulsory for every Indian and two, politicians should put their election promises into an affidavit.We should make our politicians more accountable. We should not select our representatives in parliament and forget about them for the next five years. By letting politicians loose we’re turning our society into a Jurassic Park. They are bound to feed on us. We should have the power to revoke our chosen leaders. Secondly, they should sign a legal affidavit at the time of election whereby they and their family forsake all claims to any political power if the chosen politician fails to fulfil his promise. And in the eventuality of failing to live up to their electioneering promises politicians should be liable to prosecution.

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  • Raghavendra

    Mr Vinod i don’t feel the CONGRESS party needs enemies from their opposition camp when it has leaders inside like DIGVIJAY SINGH.

    you may remember a few congress spokespersons speaking with out proof or with out caring about the consequences their statements can have. after the ADARSH housing scam in MUMBAI a congress MP from JALANDHAR who speaks as if he is SOLI SORABJEE-NANI PALKIWALA- SHANTI BHUSHAN rolled in to one gave a statement that the BJP president GADKARI owns a PROXY FLAT in that housing society.

    with in 4 days of that statement GADKARI sent CRIMINAL DEFAMATION NOTICE to that leader which made that CONGRESS MP offer apology for his statement. he became a laughing stock to many after that incident

    Mr Sharma then lesser said the better about that great lawyer Dr ABHISHEIKH SINGHVI, hahahahahahahahaha..

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  • Anonymous

    It seems Radio Mullah– Alias Ravi has got his entire LeT gang here to drown reasonable secular voices with duplicate voices to confuse people.

    Yesterday, Binoy complained of a **** voice named Binoy Hegde 1 who was posting conspiracy theory fiction.

    Now a pro LeT posting under my name vinoo has appeared. basically they want to wreck the blog.

    So Vijay I hope you not correct– that our Radio Mullah Ravi and engrich are low level employees in the Pak embassy cyber cell!

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    Ravi Reply:

    This Hindu Trol pretends to have Forensic skills. My arse!!

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  • pankaj#1

    Happy Diwali to all my friends and even to not so friendly persons.
    Vijay, do not feel bad about comments for MONEY IS NOT EVERYTHING. I agree with you. I feel, that with comfortable life I have now, I was more happy, when I was finacially constrained.
    HAPPY NEW YEAR .

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    Gadkari should go.
    Caesar’s wife should not only be chaste but…….

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  • Anonymous

    success of MGNREGA in conjunction with a Kerala state initiative “Kudumba Sri” (family wealth_) to empower poor women in Kerala..

    May be a model that should be replicated thru other parts of the country

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/women-work-and-a-winning-combination/article4093605.ece?homepage=true

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Mr Ravi is very bad man. He say anyone against Sharia is Islamophobic.

    I ask Mr Ravi simple question/ In case of rape of your mothere, daughter, sister, will you say that rapist should go free until victim produce four witness who saw rapist danda go in?

    Will you call victim Islamphobic, if she say that “judesahab please punish rapist In civil court becasue Islamic court only favour man and rich man.”

    Think. Victim can be your mother, daughter, sister.

    If you favour sharia, I think you must be rapist in real life as you keep saying rape rape all time.

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    pankaj Reply:

    hindus have no law western laws are bullshit.sharia is practicle and cheap shekhar u eat from down and shit from mouth like any rss chutia.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think you are Mr Ravi in different Bhesh. WHy give gaali?

    Instead make fun of Sharia. It is animal law. All woman with ruler who keep 50 wifes. You will only have handjob left.

    WHy you post in pankaj name when you are Ravi or his chela.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hello Tajender/Engrich

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  • Anonymous

    केंद्र की संप्रग सरकार की नैया डूबने को है और पांच ‘एम’, मनमोहन सिंह, मुलायम सिंह यादव, मायावती, ममता और एम करुणानिधि ही इसे डुबोएंगे

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And, (M)adam Sonia ji

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  • Anonymous

    Rahul : Mom, untill how long we will keep on looting this country ?
    Sonia : Jab Tak Hai Jaan.
    Rahul : Who will help us ?
    Sonia : Son of Sardar.

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    devduttkumar Reply:

    Mohan : Advaniji ! How long are you going to try for the Prime Minister’s kursi ?
    Advani :Jab Tak Hai Jaan.

    Mohan : Who is stopping you ?
    Advani : Son of Sardar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This Sindhi Bhai will not become PM of India.
    Good one by the way.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Like fake Ravi, Pathakji can only create good ‘copy’.

    No originality. door door tak nahin.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Banjh’s barb !

    Anonymous Reply:

    arey yeh …launda to jawaan ho gaya

    Anonymous Reply:

    who is stopping the son-of-sardar from being PM?
    Two other PMs! Sonia and Rahul!!!!!!!

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  • Anonymous

    BSP MLA’s son teen gangrape case; victim turns hostile in court……….

    The victim says the “alleged” rape didn’t take place!

    She suddenly remembers that it was with consent (of the rapists).

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  • Anonymous

    ” Glib talking isn’t enough to be a credible spokesperson. Personal integrity counts for more. Far more! ”
    Mr Vinod Sharma giving this advice to the Congress Party ?… Change of heart ? Winds of change ?…Is it the unstoppable Modi Juggernaut ?… Chali Hava Namo Namo … ? Cannot say ….but could be.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It wil be good for BJP in case Gadkari departs as he does not look like the sort of guy who an fight a boxing match.

    In contrast while Congress leaders are always sparring (though mostly foolishly) BJP does not look like a party out for a fight and for a win at the national level.

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  • Anonymous

    C Rajagopalachari has tried to address the issues in his version of the Ramayana – let’s quote what he had to say –
    “Let those who find faults in Rama see faults, and if these critics faultlessly pursue dharma and avoid in their own
    lives the flaws they discover in Rama, the bhaktas of Sri Rama will indeed welcome it with joy. If they exhibit the virtues of
    Rama and add to these more virtues and greater flawlessness, who can complain? “

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  • Abu Ahmed

    It is almost impossible to defend the indefensible, as far as the corruption of all politicians and bureaucrats is concerned. Jaipal Reddy is from the Telangana, educated and well-versed in the culture of the Nizams. How can any Diggy, Tiwari and the likes compare with him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jaipal reddy certainly looked more decent and erudite than most other noisemaking congressmen like Digvijay and Tewari.

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  • Anonymous

    Latest rumours from reliable sources that in next months elections in
    Gujarat, Muslims en bloc are going to vote for BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are making the ground under the congress feet slip. Even if there is exaggeration in this, more and more Muslims are seeing the congress game of pseudo secularism.

    But, what matters is how Hindus will vote.

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  • AshokChauhan

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    2G spectrum auction flops :

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/2g-spectrum-auction-flops/1031080/

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    Going by CAG’s evaluation, the Govt. should have mopped up more than 1,00,000 Crores.

    The Govt. would have got even less had it set Rs.18,000 crores as Base Price as per suggestion by the Supreme Court.

    The auction lasted barely for 2 days. The 2nd day happened because of a late interest in Bihar circle.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Entrepreneurs are reluctant to invest where country is ruled by looters.

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    devduttkumar Reply:

    It happens when the accountant decides the managerial decisions. We hope your accountant does not decide your “managerial and ENTREPRENEURAL DECISIONS” !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Accountants do warn you of the risks in any new venture
    but one cannot really come up financially in life if some calculated risks are not taken.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One id was not good enough ….so all three were put on the job.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Just for my knowledge… does it have to do anything with people migrating to 3G phones?

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    devduttkumar Reply:

    3G migration is a big failure. Hardly any number. It’s the high Base Price that caused the problem.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Ok! Someone mentioned yesterday that all the Telecom companies see their future in 3g and have already got the licences so it makes little sense to add 2g in case the circle is same.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Ask that person to understand the telecom market a little better. Ask that person how those 122 licensees would have grown in this market.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Well the loot by raja and kani mozhi only came out becasue of the CAG

    devduttkumar Reply:

    The court and CBI are still struggling. I Raja is aking them to close their argument. They are unable to do it. It has become a joke.

    This is the first time the Supreme Court acted worse than a lower court who wanted to see the FIR before it was filed.

    In due course, this would be treated as a legal aberration and would always be discussed in Law schools.

    vijay ! Reply:

    I dont think so, There have been kickbacks oif 3000 crores. The money trail from Shaihd Balwa has been traced. now in case you say all that is immaterial… welll what can I say/

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Check the recent case status.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Case may not go anywhere and most probably they both will be ‘proven’ innocent by the courts but bribe was paid to
    get these 2G licences.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    From being cocksure, you have already come down to “may not go”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am still Cocksure that huge amount was paid as a bribe to get cheap 2G licenses and Raja was not the only benefeciary.
    I had also said earlier that nothing will happen to people involved. In banana republic all these people can and will get away this scam as they have being doing it on regular basis.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Growth of 3G is 60% yearly. 2G growth slwos down to 40%

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let this be an education for the current CAG that he must not go into areas, where he does not have permission to go. Plus he must not sit in judgment about issues in which he lacks expertise (asset pricing). In other words, stick to his constitutional mandate.

    He must also explain as to why did he made those ‘losses’ public before the reports were tabled in the parliament? Was he trying to favour some political outfits?

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    devduttkumar Reply:

    The CAG must be given BHARAT RATNA for exposing the biggest scam in the history

    OR

    Must be whipped for destroying the Indian Growth Story and India brand.

    That shameless man must give us the estimated National Loss for conducting a press conference on 2G scam when the World Press was in Delhi. He must explain why he could not wait for 10 days.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    These words sound so familiar ..almost a repeat .. verbatim ….earlier they had come from a different id.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    If you read before, so did I.

  • Anonymous

    Dear SRK,

    Tera woh bakwaas Romance….
    Tera woh itna buddha hokar bhi kat ko kiss karna….
    Woh tera boring acting karna…
    Woh teri slow story ko badhana…
    Woh tera 3 ghante mera time waste karna….
    Nahi bhulunga mai…
    Jab Tak Hai Jaan….
    Jab Tak Hai Jaan…
    Jab Tak Hai Jaan…  

    [Reply]

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    You made me laugh again.
    Thanks.

    [Reply]

  • Ravi

    What can one say! besides Brilliant

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    First, they made three election commissioners.
    Then they made three prime ministers.
    Now they want to make three CAGs!!!!!!!!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Diluting the power of august bodies.

    [Reply]

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Ahh ! Multiple member bench in Supreme court must be disbanded.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why did Congress came up with this idea but immediately
    went back on their words after all the opposition pounced on them ?

    devduttkumar Reply:

    You didn’t ask that question the very first place. The answer was to your query.

    The congress would do this after 2014 if comes back to power. Do it when the time is ripe. BTW the minister only said that he had seen Sunglu’s report and deliberating it.

    Read beyond the headline. Or, listen to the audio tapes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If Congress said that they will do this after 2014 if they
    come back to power than it will not happen. They are not
    going to come back in power as they will not get more
    than 50-60 seats .

    devduttkumar Reply:

    We have heard that before. Just that you may have to take a china tour just after the election.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This prediction is by a famous Jyotshi who never goes wrong.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    The famous Jyuitish told Vajpayee that he would be back in power by September when UPA 1 happened in 2004. We have seen more than 9 Septembers pass by. Vajpayee is still waiting. In bed. You want to console him ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok, not so famous Jyotshi but he has never gone wrong.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Keep a rassi ready. Or, want an injection? Or, an electric chair ?

    Choice is yours.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I didn’t know that you are an executioner.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    I am. I don’t blink.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy saab
    It is either 3 or none.

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  • mohanr

    शिवसैनिक ने मातोश्री पहुंचे अमिताभ का कुर्ता फाड़ा

    गुरुवार, 15 नवंबर, 2012 को
    09:01 IST तक के समाचार

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    शेयर करें

    मित्र को भेजें

    प्रिंट करें

    अमिताभ को आई चोटें गंभीर नहीं हैं

    जैसी ही शिवसेना प्रमुख बाल ठाकरे की तबीयत बिगड़ने की खबर आई, तो
    उन्हें सबसे पहले देखने के लिए पहुंचे लोगों में बॉलीवुड स्टार अमिताभ बच्चन भी
    शामिल थे.

    लेकिन बाल ठाकरे के निवास मातोश्री पर अमिताभ को शिवसैनिकों के गुस्से का सामना
    करना पड़ा. इस चक्कर में उनका कुर्ता भी फट गया और उन्हें बांह में थोड़ी बहुत
    चोटें भी आई.

    संबंधित समाचार

    शिवसेना प्रमुख बाल ठाकरे की हालत ‘नाज़ुक’

    मुझमें खामियाँ ही खामियाँ हैं: अमिताभ
    बच्चन

    बिहार पुलिस ने अमिताभ से माफी
    मांगी

    टॉपिक

    भारत

    अमिताभ ने ट्विटर पर लिखा है, “हां, अभिषेक और मैं, दोनों ही घायल हो गए. हल्की
    से चोटें आईं. लेकिन अब ठीक हैं और घर पहुंच गए हैं. मातोश्री पर मौजूद डॉक्टरों ने
    हमारी मरहम पट्टी की.”

    बुधवार रात को ही शिवसेना कार्यकर्ता मातोश्री पर जमा हो गए थे. भीड़ को
    नियंत्रित करने के लिए पुलिस को मशक्कत करनी पड़ी.

    ‘बोफोर्स के समय दिया साथ’

    अमिताभ लोगों से शांति बनाए रखने की अपील कर रहे थे लेकिन बाल ठाकरे की तबीयत
    खराब होने से बेहद भावुक कुछ लोगों ने उनके साथ बदसलूकी की.

    हालांकि अमिताभ को आई चोटें गभीर नहीं हैं. अपने ट्वीट में अमिताभ बच्चन ने बाल
    ठाकरे से जुड़ी कई यादों को साझा किया है.

    अमिताभ ने किए पुराने दिन याद

    वो लिखते हैं, “जब जया और मेरी शादी हुई तो उन्होंने हमें अपने घर बुलाया. घर
    में बहु के आने पर जो अनुष्ठान किए जाते हैं, वो सब किए गए.”

    एक अन्य ट्वीट में अमिताभ ने लिखा है, “जब बोफोर्स कांड अपने पूरे चरम पर था तो
    बाल ने मुझसे पूछा, ‘क्या आप इसमें शामिल हैं?’ मैंने कहा, नहीं. इसके बाद वो बोले,
    ‘तो चिंता मत करो, मैं आपके साथ हूं. आप एक एक्टर हो और जाओ वही करो जिसमें तुम
    बेहतरीन हो.’”

    समाचार एजेंसी पीटीआई ने बाल ठाकरे का इलाज कर रहे डॉक्टरों के हवाले से ख़बर दी
    है कि उनकी स्थिति ‘काफ़ी

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    vijay ! Reply:

    It will be interesting to see where the Siv sainiks go after Bala sahab goes.

    Congress sponsored Raj Thakrey?

    The rather weak Udhav thaKrey?

    Or NCP and BJP

    In a way one dynasty less would mean the strenghtening of Indian democracy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Only cowards and thieves use others’ Ids.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Above post is not mine. Engrich/Tajender has a habit of using others’
    IDs.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    :) Yes I was wondering about this as comment seemed out of place.

    Just confirms my idea that the duo– chacha hafeez and al zwhari are low level employees of teh Pak embassy cyber cell, out to disrupt Indian internet sites.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope these Shiv Sainiks don’t resort to any violence if anything happens to Bal Thakrey. My wife is travelling to
    Bombay on Sunday.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Well if Bal Thakrey meets God… who can they blame? Thakrey or God?

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is difficult to judge these Sainiks., they just need an excuse to go on rampage. I hope better sense will prevail.
    Or they may listen to our Marathi friend Mumbaikar if appeals to them to remain calm.

    mohanr Reply:

    id of writer is mohanr not rr.

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  • Anonymous

    Sachar Committe ……they have the first charge on the country’s financial resources… the Bombay terror attack was a RSS Conspiracy… did not the terrorists have “Kalava” on their wrists…..Batla House was a fake encounter … MC Sharma was killed by Delhi policemen….we shall give them special reservation ….. She wept when she saw the photographs of the Batla House encounter…
    But what did they get …… the All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, an influential political party in Andhra Pradesh, pulled the rug from under the feet of the ruling Congress state government on Monday after terming it “communal, a stooge of Sangh Parivar and anti-people”.

    [Reply]

    vijay ! Reply:

    Yes…

    Imagine Baby G and Mummy G were actually wearing Khaki nikkers all the time!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Digvijay Singh along with baby Rahul may commit suicide

    after hearing this.

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  • vijay !

    —————————————————————————————————-

    ~~~ REMEMBER WHAT VIJAY KUMAR SAID ONCE !!!! ~~~~~

    —————————————————————————————————

    Well about an year back one blogger called Vijay Kumar had made the following revelations

    a) The total bribe in 2G was about 3000 crores — now proved correct

    b) The total revenue loss was about 20,000 cores — now proved correct.

    Of course I had fun with the 176000000000 figure many a time but then the COngressis all the time said that Vadra is jesus and Rahul is Gautam Buddha and SOnia is mother Mary. SO it cancels out!

    For me anything which gets dynasties and naukers out of the Indian democracy is good !

    Guys you may wonder where I got them from . Having been called a wasted education by Pathak/emotional/ Manohar/Mahesh/ Radio Mullah etc etc,

    I still remind myself that I am not too bad either….

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    devduttkumar Reply:

    Ofcourse Vijay had a fun !

    Ofcourse you either lose or win a tennis game. Do you recall about having a cold just before a match, so that you could tell the world why you failed ! Did it happen before the exams too ?

    And who proved you right?

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Devdutt we are a nation which needs a whacking on the bottom once a while. The CAG gave this whacking. Let me assert again in a bipartisan manner

    a) The CWG games was “normal” corruption of the Delhi and central government– 15-20% kickbacks, which still go on. As a game they were much better then what UK or the rest of the COmmon wealth will hold barring Australia.

    But then when Mani AIyar cried rape rape with figures of 70,000 crores loot, the centre and COngress had no balls to take him on.

    Kalmadi for all his faults was probably a bit like Lalit Modi– with a capacity to organise and steam roll over other departments. Very few people could have done that.

    But let that be a secret between you and me. Let this dynastic COngress fizzle out. That is the big story.

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    devduttkumar Reply:

    Who proved you right about the figure you have been gloating about?

    vijay ! Reply:

    let more dirt come out. Approximaely 25 crores were taken per licence. ( more for big circle less for less lucrative). First a system was created that the prequalifiers got the message. Then liason officers were intimated about the methodology.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Do you understand the question ?

    Who proved you right about the figures you have been gloating about?

    vijay ! Reply:

    Are you saying that you stated this?

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Do you understand the question ? Do we need to repeat the question again and again for you to understand ?
    ========
    Who proved you right about the figures you have been gloating about?
    ========

    vijay ! Reply:

    I am sorry I dont get what you are trying to say. I have my own contacts in gov departments, rest is my brainwork.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Oh really ! You don’t get it !!

    I am quoting your statement :

    ======================
    Well about an year back one blogger called Vijay Kumar had made the following revelations

    a) The total bribe in 2G was about 3000 crores — now proved correct

    b) The total revenue loss was about 20,000 cores — now proved correct.
    =======================

    You were dancing just now claiming that “you have been proven right”. Yet you can’t tell the world who proved you right !!

    With a self-certification you started gloating and patting your own back !

    Please do that elsewhere with a bunch of dumbs to say aye aye.

    IIT, yeah !!!

    vijay ! Reply:

    I think you should alos not gloat too much. With the CDMA players– Tata and Reliance who have 30% market share NOT bidding as they now have the 3G consolidated GSM licence, the amount had to be less.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    So you have been gloating without any basis ?

    You did, like always.

    Now you have understood my question ? Could you please answer that properly?

    Forget it. Just realize how hollow you are.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Lagta hai… teen patti mein Diwali mein diwala poot gaya hai aapka!

    You have come back in a diabolically nasty mood!

    let history stand witness that the CAG managed to dig out bto the tune of 3000 crores which would have resulted in imprisonments in most countries of the world.

    The Congress is now attacking the CAG.

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Time you realized certain truth about yourself.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Of course I do everyday!

    That there is only one guy in the world who can be on this blog and still manage to pay 45 employees decent salaries… :)

    devduttkumar Reply:

    There you go again !
    Don’t brag about figures, if you don’t know about others. Your figure looks like miniscule.

    vijay ! Reply:

    I am miniscule! No complaints! I have a good life… no complaints!

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Just stop bragging about yourself. Have a good life.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Never bragged! Just stated the truth!

    Whether it was about Vadra or Mani Aiyar or Baby G’s lack of ideas, vison and policy. 16 anna sach bola…

    devduttkumar Reply:

    Forget about anything else. Just reread about this thread. Then you will realize how you brag about yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    let us be honest. Why are you cut up with Vijay Kumar? that too for proving Mani Sankat Aiyar wrong?

    From 70000 crores, if the corruption in the congress government is shown to be around 3000 crores, I would have expected you to take vijay Kumar to Sonia Gandhi and gort some brownie points for yourself.

    Please be rational in your attacks.

  • devduttkumar

    @ Vijay

    A simple truth :

    You dance and make a lot of noise here. But you do not have enough meat in you to debate. Whether the other person gives you “peer respect” like a man or “elderly respect” using simple, respectful language or using english poem or hindi poem or simple abrasive language, you never stood a chance.

    If you ever have any doubt, go back read and reread.

    Or, simple follow Pankaj’s suggestion.

    Learn.

    Good Luck.

    [ Also learn about characterisation. The creation, development and maintaining the consistency. It might help you in writing a novel. Good Luck again.]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    all that you said about Vijay Kumar, is, in fact, a self analysis.

    Or else, why should you need stupid crutches like fake IDs and more stupid verses in Hindi?

    Or else, why should you need broken crutches like fake Ravi and engrich?

    [Reply]

    devduttkumar Reply:

    You have had enough opportunities to debate.

    Good Luck.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    I don’t debate on these points. These are mere statements of facts.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Thank you for telling me this!

    This is the advice I have been waiting for in the last 31.5 years !!

    But Alas!! Vijay was known to be loyal to friends, causes and principles thru his school and college… and will never change!

    So neither will I dump my love for democracy for a few morsels to become a nauker of the dynasty….

    Neither will I dump my country for a few morsels from an Idiot who thinks that LeT is no threat….

    Neither will I dump my writers freedom to write court poetry and spin for jamai who represents crony capitalism of the Zardari and Gadaffi’s children style!!

    Oh yes!! i will dance with truth on my tongue, a smile on my fingers as the punch the keyboard…. !!

    Wish I could change you to respect good values!

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  • Anonymous

    BREAKING NEWS++++++++++++BREAKING NEWS

    —————————————————————————–

    The congress high command in an emergency meeting, is reported to be sending Digvinash Singh to Hyderabad.

    Not for pacifying the foul-mood, fouler-mouth Owaisi, who is loudly bad-mouthing Sonia Gandhi and Kiran Reddy as RSS stooges.

    Digvinash Singh is landing in Hyderabad with cranes and ladders, specially designed by Italian engineers, to remove the tarpaulin from the Hindu temple roof, next to the Char Minar.

    They expect that Owaisi will see that an ounce of action is worth a ton of empty talk.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    This is the government which bends over double to please Muslim fundamentalism. If Digvinash saw a RSS hand in Batla house and 26/11, the performance during the attacks on the North Easterners was absolutely cowardly and spineless.

    NOne in the Government chose to open their mouth once. Pathak on this blog tried t blame RSS!

    Even when eh Muslim organisations including Owaisi were directly issuing threats!!!

    Further the wigwalaa joker SM Kriahsna under instructions from teh Rajmata issued a demarche to the Myanmar government for a massacre which NEVER happened!

    Of course these gutless votebanking jokers had no demarche for the communal organisations threatenting the North Easterners!

    That is why the real danger to India is from these jokers…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    Congress will do that and more. Kiran allowed the tarpaulin after assessing the political trade offs. So, now he s sure t lose after Digvijays campaign! They do not know how strong is Jagans juggernaut!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    Congress will do that and more. Kiran allowed the tarpaulin after assessing the political trade offs. So, now he s sure t lose after Digvijays campaign! They do not know how strong is Jagans juggernaut!

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  • Anonymous

    It is not surprising tha the guru ghantala of IDs goes on repeating the UPA govt’s case on the 2G scam. He gets his regular brief from Raja and Kanimodi and ofcourse “no loss” Sibal .. .the best lawyer politician ….who got a rebuke from the SC the other day …” do not play with our Orders”. But shameless as he is you can still him smiling on the TV screens.
    So the guru blames the SC for passing illegal Orders. .. what more can they do . They cannot fiddle with the SC benches … there is no Shunglu report there. They will not talk about the procedure which Raja followed for granting the licences . …now if the auction is not succesful because of the gloomy economic outlook and their own efforts to undermine … . they have got something to throw at the CAG . but what about the CBI which told the SC of 30,000 crores loss.

    [Reply]

    vijay ! Reply:

    Well today Raja has asked for a probe into Vadra!!

    Chor chor mausere bhai!

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy-

    It is also possible that Owaisi is screaming because the govt is not helping him/his brother in the land grabs they did ..There was an attack on the younger criminal Owaisi in April because of his involvement in shady land dealings

    http://m.indianexpress.com/news/%22behind-owaisi-attack-property-rows-land-deals%22/787666/

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Read an article, where UN is going to show case BRT- Ahmadabad as a model for surface transportation in cities, polluted by emission and congestion. Delhi and Mumbai could not do, what Modi’s Gujrat is doing.
    Does it mean that decisive, commited and even a bit authoritarian person can be a better Chief minister than, bumbling, indecisive, dithering persons, may be of good intentions, are a failure. Whom people will choose, the first person or second person.
    BTW, not much of Modi, Modi, Rape,Rape, sloganeering in this blog? Improved blog or some admission of facts.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi march is on. the last hurdle is getting his image with Muslims rectified. If that happens nothong can stop his ascent to the PM’s seat

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ahemedabad and Bombay both had planned in 2005 to come with BRTS- Bus rapid transit system to improve the transport system.Gujarat government planned, gave contract and started this system in 2009. Bombay is still at panning stage. Modi, if decides something, makes sure to complete the project. He makes people work hard and that is one of the reason he is called authoritarian.

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  • Anonymous

    just a stray thought for investigation:

    What did the guy who posted under MOhan’s name achieve?

    Obviously he gave a fake news about Amitabh being roughed up by Shiv Sainiks. Was his aim to generally villify Shiv Sena? Or was it to give a message though fake news that India is a violent country?

    He surely new this blog was not the Jung paper. That people would soon find that the news he posted would be found to be fake…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is hacking going on.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,

    I agree with you.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is a link to actual Amitabh story on IBNLive.
    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/amitabh-bachchan-abhishek-injured-outside-bal-thackareys-house/305660-8-66.html

    Some forensic analysis that.
    Were you , by any chance, part of PWC’s team auditing Satyam’s books ?

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Before that a FAKE voice assumimg the name of Binoy Hegde, made a posting on Isreal now awaiting reprisals from US. Maybe you never noticed.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Were you consoling Vinoo when Satyam scandal broke out ?
    BTW, How is Israel related here ?

    vijay ! Reply:

    That is actually mindbending! Brother mahesh, the issue is who are the people here assuming false identities. Isreal as a villian was the subject in a fake post under Binoy’s name Sent from my BlackBerry® on Reliance Mobile, India’s No. 1 Network. Go for it!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Brother Vijay Kumar,
    Thanks for side-stepping and deflecting Vinoo’s original post.

    Did it ever strike you and Vinoo that you could just ignore the post and move on ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you deliberatly or by lack of comprehension step away from the meat of the matter. My post was about fakes maquerading and posting under Binoy;s name, my name, Mohan;s name… and you have still not grasped the issue.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually , you are being a tad too tone deaf. Did you read my posts in entirety ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I did. You suggested that we should step aside and let these fakes post what they want.

    I was just questioning who these fakes are as they will drive the
    real guys away. Binoy has not posted after the fake made and entry.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Let us look at the evidence.

    1. It has been proven beyond any doubt that Vinoo59 possesses miraculous FORENSIC skills. He just cannot be wrong.

    2. For 1 to remain true, and it has to, the only conclusion one can safely draw is that IBMLIVE is owned by the Daily Jung Group.

    3. This also fits in the greater game plan of labelling – everything that casts even a slightest aspersions on any of the Hindu Right organisations – as being Pakistan originated.

    Better to blame it on Pakistan than to admit that Shiv Sainiks are nothing more than Hindu Fundo Goons.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Please add a strong tendency to flaunt stupidity to it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    According to Ravi, Shiv Sainiks are Hindu Fundu goons.
    Do you believe what Ravi has written is correct or they are just goons who waste no opportunity on the behest of their leaders to unleash their terror, sometimes on the guise of
    dangerous western culture like celebrating Valintine day and sometimes to protect their huge, pure Maratha pride?

    Now also they are itching to go on rampage the moment
    ailing Bal Thakrey dies. If not today, he will surely die one day
    and I dread to think how will they react.

    Ravi Reply:

    What do you think Mohan. Do you think that Bal Thakray is a pure and simple goon or is he a Hindu Fundo Goon?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is a very intelligent person and he knows how to make his people act like goons whenever he wants.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan and Ravi,
    Actually, this is the thing with Shiv Sena. It was more (“was” because it has for most part lost power and influence) of “Marathi Manoos” organization. And yet – during 1992/93 Mumbai riots , it was Shiv sena that did the “heavy lifting” . Though, not to undermine the tacit support it received from contemporary ruling Congress government . And , even more, the support it received from the terrible communal backdrop during that period.

    The “Marathi Manoos” posturing – though staunch – was just that , posturing. Shiv Sena was always prone to making compromises wherever it sensed power . In that sense – that made it less fanatic and more “manageable” .

    Going forward, the influence is likely to diminish further. The trouble you fear from Shiv Sainiks – as “outburst” of emotions on the terrible news – is very less likely to occur. It is neither the same Sena, nor the same Mr. Thackeray. Though, personally , I wish he had been brought to book under the law of this land.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh and Mohan Ji
    Fundamentally there are three questions that we need to ask.
    1. Is this an organisation which is communal in its ideology. The answer is that it is.
    2. Is it politically sophisticated to realise when to make compromises, Then the answer is that it is.
    3. Is it powerfull enough to consider itself above the law. The answer is that it is.
    For me that adds up to it being a Hindu Goon organisation even if it is only tennously linked to the mother of Sangh Parivaar organisations.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Communal ideology in Indian context means a whole spectrum of things. From this perspective , VHP / Bajrang Dal / Muslim Fandmanetalist orgs. operating and spreading militancy are not comparable with Shiv Sena. Shiv sena is , and was, – really speaking – a paper tiger compared to the mentioned “peers”. Remove the “state patronage” and all you have is just a hollow roar. Not trying to be apologetic on behalf of Shiv Sena – just pointing out the difference.

    BTW, noticed something curious about Shiv Sena ? The abettor still enjoys tremendous patronage from several sections of society. Ever guessed why ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    If I was to give Shiv Sena any serious thought, then I would still conclude that it as an organisation is made up of goons.

    However, one needs some hook which motivates recruits and retains such goons.

    Mr Thakre was always only interested in POWER and over the years he has provided his constituency strong IDENTITY in exchange for devotion. To start with a STRONG anti-secular HINDU identity was the hook he employed, which was then mixed with strong regional identity. However all of it was used to create a cultist organisation which required obeisance to Rev Moon Thakre for everything from laying foundations of buildings, to mahurats and shooting of films.

    It very soon deteriorated into an organisation of hafta gathering, protection racketeers.

  • Anonymous

    Devdutt, our young Vijay does have a knack of getting facts correct. He had told us long time ago that Vadra owned Hilton. He was also correct that Cag and Mani Aiyar was exagerrating figures

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thank You Prahaji,

    Pathak SIr is seriously angry with me!!

    a) Honestly I never try to boast. Even the figure of giving salary to employees was just a fear I let out here. In fact as an employee I looked forward to my salary day… as an employer, I would dread that we needed to have that much cash in the kitty to pay people! And thanks to my partners who are the hard working guys– me being a wasted loafer… we do manage to tide over … !

    b) I think me and Pathak G are characters from the old and New HIndi films always destined to be at logggerheads. Manoj Kumar vs Prem Chopra, Vinod Khanna vs AMitabah bachchan, Salman Khan vs Shahrukh, Dahrmendra vs Amjad khan etc etc.

    Since I claim to be no hero– I can claim to be the ugly one in each comparison.. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are no hero, but are very close to being one.
    Pathak G is no zero, but is getting ever closer to it.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Let us now await Pathak G’s honorable reaction!

    Ravi Reply:

    Two zeros, looking at a hero and wondering……!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not sure who is clutching at straws – you or Vijay.

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  • Anonymous

    Looks like Rahul is going to lead the 2014 Congress Loksabha election campaigning..
    2011 Kerala, Tamil Nadu, 2012 UP…

    dO they get it at all? .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is a good news for opposition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you forgot the biggest fiasco of all: The Bihar election, when Baby G first decided to go it alone and then packed the list with his cronies, without the least bit of idea of winnability.

    He put up 236 candidates and only four won. 200 of his candidates lost their deposits!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rahul was highly praised by the Congress leaders for the hard work he put in Bihar election. According to the survey they had conducted before the elections, Congress would have won two seats, but because of the intelligent campaigning by Rahul Gandhi
    they increased that by 100% which made a huge dent to the overall tally of seats won by NDA.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS/Mohan

    Yes, I totally forgot about Bihar….

  • Anonymous

    Mega stocking by government pushing up food prices?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Mega-stocking-by-government-pushing-up-food-prices/articleshow/17235066.cms

    NEW DELHI: Stocking up of foodgrains by the government could be one of the major factors for the continuing surge in food prices, warn experts.

    Latest wholesale price data available on the industry department’s website shows that wheat prices are up almost 20% in October compared to a year ago. That’s at a time when the government is holding stocks of 42 million tonnes — three times the buffer stock norm.

    Experts say the government is not releasing enough wheat in time and exports were not pushed to unload the massive stocks. In some cases, roller flour mills are being impacted as not enough wheat is being released in the open market.

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  • Anonymous

    Rumour has it that Sonia Gandhi has refused to step down as congress president in favour of the yuvraj. She has also refused to step aside, saying that like Tendulkar, she is a test player and not 20-20.

    Therefore, the yuvraj had to be appointed to the selection committee.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Sadly the party of Nehru, Dadabhai Naoroji, Patel and Gandhi has been taken over by ill educated trolls who are applauded by an army of naukers and chaukers. Imagine a nation of APJ ABdul Kalam, IITs and IIMs, Amartya Sen choses a foreigner with little education as the COngres chief and her amry of Naukers hails her as a white goddess with mythical powers!

    What a joke !

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  • Anonymous

    Jaipal Reddy was removed as a petroleum minister because he didn’t allow Reliance to increase the price of gas from 4 dollars to 14 dollars, but why was
    Ms. Ambika Soni removed as a minister of Information and broadcasting ?
    Was it because she could not stop media from bringing up in limelight the
    scams of Vadra, the holy cow who along with Gandhi family is suppose to be
    off limits.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    They are new untouchables.

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  • Anonymous

    Few days back Ravi had posted a link to the article by Ramchandra Guha
    ” Who milk these Cows”.
    Here s a nice retort to that article.

    RAMACHANDRA GUHA’S BRAHMINICAL CASTELESSNESS AND OTHER THINGS

    http://centreright.in/2012/11/ramachandra-guhas-brahminical-castelessness-and-other-things/#.UKXuu2thiSO

    There is a thin line between being opinionated, and being prejudiced. Ramachandra Guha crosses this line quite effortlessly. He claims to be liberal and enlightened. But Saudi-religious-police-style ethnic and religious profiling of detractors is his scholarly pursuit, stereotyping them is his hobby. I still remember the newspaper column in which he denounced Punjabis because his Punjabi landlord allegedly stole electricity from his meter. That was Guhaite logic in its elemental crudity for you:

    A. This guy stole from me
    B. He is a Punjabi
    C. From A and B it follows that Punjabis are evil
    QED

    Most astonishingly, Guha thinks heckling and school-boyish putdowns constitute a valid form of argument. (Check out his repeated invocations to “cow’s milk” in his latest Outlook magnum opus). Here’s a guy who though in mid-50′s, can’t get rid of college-dorm left-wing polemic from his system. No wonder the UPA government honored him with a Padmabhushan. But I am rambling. On to the point.
    ——–
    Please read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    We had a long long tradition of not documenting history until Mills wrote the history of I ndia without setting foot in this country .

    May be we are better off without having a documented history rather than having people like Guha distorting as his Western predecessors did.

    Guha is aiming to be like Nial Ferguson etc…write something controversial..make money.. ….

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    A clear tendency is visible in this blog. There are people, who will assume the burden of being, Judge, Jury and Executioner, without any compunction. They are not ready to discuss, but climb the pole of righteousness(oops), leftiousness, and survey the masses with disdain, fit for Zia, Stalin and such worthies. Adnauseam, they will pronounce others as rightists, hence damned. Can some one show me, what is rightist and what is leftist. No, I mean it. Mouthing cliches is easy, delving into details is difficult and not everybody’s cup of tea(oops) I mean glass of wine. Yes, who told you that leftists can not partake into finer things of life?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Guha is a pedant, masquarading as historian. darling of power that may be. Powerfuls like such people and propogate them as ashield.Mohan;
    I had read that in outlook.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji

    I have seen balance sheets of many a government grant giving institutions. You will be surprised to know the extent of patronage, people like Guha get.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan Ji

    I will read the article in detail over the week-end, however I looked at the site where it was published.

    It is always interesting to read what the objectives of the site are and in this particular case they are its efforts are directed towards nurturing an intellectually vibrant right-of-centre tradition in India.

    Give that is what CRI’s intention is, is it surprising that it too the views it di wrt to Ramchandar Ghua’s article.

    Attacks such as Ghua is a pedant, Wendy is white, Martha is Jewess, Romilla is anti Hindu, Others have Shvaet Kingham, all tend to expose the shallowness of the abuser than it ever dents the reputation of the Historian.

    Mr Guha is an eminent scholar even if one does not agree with his views.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok you look at the objective of the website and I will look at the objectives of Guha.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I told you what the objectives of the website are…what in your opinion are the objectives of Mr Guha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi and Mohan

    Ravi has still not answered the question on whether he would want his mother, sister, daughter to face the wraith of Sharia which he vehemently defend. In fact he callz anybody who criticises Sharia as an Islamophobe.

    This fake sense of injured innocence is what infuriarates most people against Islam. That our superstition, our fanaticism, our violence against the rest of the world is “good” as it is sanctified by the book and interpreted by OUR scholars and in case you question it, you must be an Islamphobe.

    Wendy Doniger and her tribe make various sexual intrepretations of Hindu history. Her ludicrous writings are really no different from that of Sam Bacille’s intrepretation of Islam. In fact while Bacille has made a rather amateurish film based on actual texts, Wendy has created fiction based on her sexual experiences as an American.

    In case Wendy is allowed to sell her books, what is wrong in Sam Bacille;s movie?

  • Anonymous

    Rahul Gandhi shall lead the Congress campaign for 2014. Great news … The campaign shall be woven around …” Main brahman hoon ( Na bhi hoon to kya …self-styled to ho sakta hoon). Yeh Pitroda Badhai yani OBC hain. Yeh Digvijay Singh “Jaipur Gharana” ke Thakur hain….yani satta aur faydey ke liye kuch bhi karega …. Yeh Salman Khurshid Mussalmaan hain aur inki Christian Biwi bhi sachchi mussalmaan hain….. “
    Will any Opposition party be able to counter this campaign ? I do not think so .
    The game changer has finally arrived .

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  • Anonymous

    WENDY doniger AND SAM BACILLE SHOULD BOTH BE ALLOWED:———

    Well the people of the world should be allowed to to judge what is true and good. So what is wrong in sam bacille’s movie?

    As I understand it his interpretation of what he read in the Hadith and Koran.

    Now we know a rather funny American woman wrote out sexual myths of Hindu Gods. Yes Wendy DOniger wanted publicity… so let her have it.

    BUT BUT… BUT

    We must also allow Salman Rushdie, Talslim Nasreen and Sam Bacille to have their say also.

    You cant just say that because Bacille madea movie about Mohammad he should be banned as it hurts the feelings of Muslms while Wendy wrote about Hindus and since Hindus are a tolerant lot… let her books be allowed everywhere.

    This fake sense of injured innocence is what infuriarates most people against Islam. That our superstition, our fanaticism, our violence against the rest of the world is “good” as it is sanctified by the book and interpreted by OUR scholars and in case you question it, you must be an Islamphobe.

    Wendy Doniger and her tribe make various sexual intrepretations of Hindu history. Her ludicrous writings are really no different from that of Sam Bacille’s intrepretation of Islam. In fact while Bacille has made a rather amateurish film based on actual texts, Wendy has created fiction based on her sexual experiences as an American.

    In case Wendy is allowed to sell her books, what is wrong in Sam Bacille;s movie?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinoo;
    Enough of this Wendy Doniger.I know, wendy fans will not write, what wendy is saying in her book. At least you tell me, what she is saying about hindus and their weired sex practices. please…I have read the book and apart from some mention of sexual fantasies of either wendy or those mythical figures, there is nothing. Please, anybody, who has read Wendy, give me page numbers, any number of pages, I will go there, read them and will tell others, what is written there and why.
    I hope, some body will pick up the gauntlet

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In my opinion, nothing wrong in case of Wendy and nothing wrong in Sam Bacille.

    But to say Sam Bacille is wrong becasue in case you talk about a film based on Hadiths Muslims will get angry and violent is wrong.

    Even on this site the duo of Ravi and Engrich will be against Sam bacille but then will alos keep repeating lies on rape in India…. while encopuraging rape thru Sharia

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinoo;
    Satanic verses are not any invention. In Quran-Satanic verses have been mentioned, but do you remember, the -bawander- created by communalists and GOI banned that book? Sallman Rushdie is still hiding and avoiding India.And people say, India is secular, very special brand of secularism is practiced here. What about-lajja- from Taslima nasreen, and this secular nation had no guts to stand behind her, to uphold her rights as a writer and M.F. Hussain, was toast of power that be. balihari jaoon is secularism par.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We are secular only whenever it suits us or our motive – case by case basis- .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Bharat Ratna Rajiv gandhi pushed by Khuswant SIngh got Satanic Verses banned. he then went on a road show to show how secular he was.

    Shashi Tharoor had then written a book called “The great Indian novel.” It was a parody on the Mahabharta with a Nehru being the blind king, Dhritrashtra.

    Nobody called for its ban!

    Byt the way Tharoor had graphic scenes like a flag on a beanpole– an allusion to Nehru mounting the thin Edwina Mountbatten.

    Obviously the COngressis who have made Tharoor the FM have not read the novel… or maybe liked the idea of the beanpole being mounteD!

  • pankaj#1

    UPA celebrating defeat in G2 auction.
    Any comments from the bloggers?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why did this auction fail? Did our honest leaders of our super honest government advice big players not to participate in this auction?
    Two purposes were served by this failure. Congress is trying to wriggle out of the bribery charges by blaming CAG and after some time
    2G will be re auctioned at a cheaper price and big players like Relance
    will bid for most of the licenses.

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    I am getting a bit careless here.
    How many people have read 50 shades of Gray?
    I have.
    Any comments from any body??
    People, who say, what is this 50 shades of Gray?
    please excuse.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have heard about this book and it sounds interesting. I am planning to read this book.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Highly erotic.
    But my purpose here to mention it was that, there are so many shades of Gray, that there is little chance of things being absolutely of one colour, black or white. Nothing absolute truth or False. people, should be careful to brand others, Am I sounding preachy, If I am, then, I will say sorry. have no intention of it.

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  • Anonymous

    Wal-Mart probing charges of bribery in India

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Wal-Mart-probing-charges-of-bribery-in-India/articleshow/17249461.cms

    NEW DELHI: Retail giant Walmart has disclosed that it is investigating alleged violations of the US anti-bribery law in India, China and Brazil. The development could trigger fresh opposition to the opening up of the domestic retail market to global companies.

    The disclosure is likely to provide ammunition to political parties that are planning to corner the government on its decision to allow FDI in multi-brand retail when Parliament reconvenes next week for the winter session.

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  • Anonymous

    2G math: Who’s wrong, CAG or UPA?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/2G-math-Whos-wrong-CAG-or-UPA/articleshow/17248779.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    THE CONGRESS OS DOING ITS DAMNEDEST BEST TO MAKE THE CAG the villain. Now it wants the people to forget A.Rajah, Kanimozhi, Karunanidhi and Kalanidhi Maran etc……..

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  • Anonymous

    SHIVASENA TIGER RECOVERS, STILL NOT OUT OF THE WOODS……

    HEADLINE IN INDIAN EXPRESS.

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  • vin0059

    BJP’s RSS anchorby A.G
    Noorani

    IN
    the last few days, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya
    Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) have been going through the motions of a subordinate’s
    bid for slightly greater power from a superior. As ever, the superior wins. The
    reasons for this predetermined end are historical, organisational and political.

    The
    BJP is a political front of the militant RSS and very much amenable to fiats
    from the RSS. This is made known to all by the manner in which the RSS has been
    removing and imposing successive presidents of the BJP and its predecessor, the
    Bharatiya Jan Sangh.

    After
    the March 1977 general election the opposition parties’, including the Jan
    Sangh, merged into a single party, the Janata Party. It formed the government at
    the centre only to lose power in July 1979 following a split within its ranks.
    On April 5, 1980 the Janata Party suffered another split when members of the
    erstwhile Jan Sangh walked out when the party demanded that they should not
    “participate in the day-to-day activities of the RSS”. Rather than do the honest
    thing and revive the Jan Sangh they set up a new party, the Bharatiya Janata
    Party (the BJP), avowedly as the truly nationalistic Janata Party.

    Before
    long its leading lights like A.B. Vajpayee and L.K. Advani openly declared that
    the BJP’s parent was the Jan Sangh.

    This
    body was set up on Oct 21, 1951 under a pact between the Mahasabha leader Dr
    Shyama Prasad Mookerjee and the RSS supremo M.S. Golwalkar. The politicians
    provided the ‘leaders’ but they were pitiably dependent on the cadres lent by
    the RSS.

    This
    is the true relationship between the BJP, successor to the Jan Sangh, and the
    RSS.

    It
    is important to emphasise this because not only some Indians but also observers
    outside, particularly in the US, fondly hoped that the BJP would emerge rather
    like the Christian Democrats in Europe. This is wishful thinking. The RSS never
    allowed its progeny to become independent. If anything it has strengthened its
    control in the last decade.

    On
    Nov 3, 1954 the Jan Sangh’s president Mauli Chandra Sharma resigned complaining
    belatedly of “interference by the RSS in the affairs of the Jan Sangh”. He was
    accused of “betrayal” by a senior member, Balraj Madhok. Later he became
    president only to be expelled from membership of the Jan Sangh by its young
    president, Lal Kishen Advani. Madhok had complained of “too much interference by
    the RSS in party affairs”.

    In
    December 2005 Advani was forced to resign as president of the BJP by the RSS. He
    had given offence by the comments he had written in June 2005 in the visitor’s
    book at the mausoleum of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

    They
    read: “There are many people who leave an inerasable stamp on history.
    But there are very few who actually create history. Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali
    Jinnah was one such rare individual. In his early years Sarojini Naidu, a
    leading luminary of India’s freedom struggle, described Mr Jinnah as an
    ‘ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity’. His address to the Constituent Assembly of
    Pakistan on Aug 11, 1947 is a classic; a forceful espousal of a secular state in
    which every citizen would be free to practise his own religion but the state
    shall make no distinction between one citizen and another on the grounds of
    faith. My respectful homage to this great man.”

    It
    was a cruel blow. In 2004 the BJP lost power to the Congress and Advani’s hopes
    of succeeding Vajpayee as prime minister were dashed. The 2009 general elections
    saw the Congress return to power. Advani turned 85 this month. But he pins his
    hopes on a possible impasse in the 2014 general election, given the Congress’s
    declining popularity. This plan the RSS is resolved to defeat.

    There
    is another aspirant to that post, Narendra Modi, chief minister of Gujarat known
    for the anti-Muslim pogrom in 2002. The RSS finds him too self-willed. This
    brings us to the genesis of the crisis in 2012. In 2005, the RSS had replaced
    Advani with the former chief minister of UP Rajnath Singh. He was replaced on
    Nov 19, 2009, by Nitin Gadkari of Nagpur, the headquarters of the RSS.

    The
    whole country was shocked by disclosures last month that Gadkari’s Purti Co.
    received money from other companies which hardly existed. Where did he get the
    crores from? He undertook to face a probe, an offer which Advani, no friend of
    his, lauded.

    The
    RSS sent S. Gurumurthy, a chartered accountant and a lifelong member, to conduct
    a ‘probe’. On Nov 6, he told a core group of the BJP leadership — minus a
    sulking Advani — that Gadkari was neither morally nor legally guilty of any
    wrongdoing.

    They
    dutifully affirmed their “full faith” in Gadkari’s leadership.

    Correspondents
    of repute attributed this to a phone call from Nagpur by RSS supremo Mohan
    Bhagwat. Gadkari’s term as BJP president ends next month. It is uncertain
    whether he will get a second term. For the RSS had second thoughts. On Nov 13,
    Gurumurthy tweeted that his “clean chit” was not for Gadkari, only for his
    companies.

    What
    is more relevant is the reality of the RSS control of the BJP and their
    ideology. Mohan Bhagwat holds “Pakistan is transitory and will become part of
    India sooner or later … Pakistan and Afghanistan are a part of us and will
    return one day” (India Today; Nov 18, 2009). That is also Advani’s ideal though
    he is more circumspect. He spoke of an Indo-Pakistan confederation, doubtless on
    his terms, on July 6, 2001, on the eve of the Agra summit which he scuttled, and
    on Jan 22, 2002, when Indian troops were massed on the international border and
    along the LoC.

    On
    Nov 10, 2012, Jaswant Singh asserted in a TV debate with Gen (retd) Pervez
    Musharraf that the BJP alone can deliver the goods because its nationalism is
    not suspect. His remarks on Muslims quoted by Strobe Talbott in his book
    Engaging India reveal his ‘nationalism’. The BJP is a menace to Indian democracy
    in India and an obstacle to a sound policy towards its neighbours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Jehadi duo has unleashed another diarrhea of propoganda using my name.

    This is the trouble with their thinking. They feel that they can insult the world, bomb cities, kill children, forcibly convert women as a one way street as their leaders like Chacha hafeez and Osama have sanctified that!

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    vin0059 Reply:

    bullshit and wrong.u people have evrything except mind..

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you should acknowledge that if you can unleash Jehadi diarrhea here, then Sam Bacille can make a film which he thinks is right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Naam chor.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    aur haram khor bhi.

    [Reply]

    SHENOYBV Reply:

    RSS ?

    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Mohan ji ! Aap bhi phorensic karne lage ?

    [Reply]

    shen0ybv Reply:

    far better than tax chor.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Mahesh

    Did you notice that another attempt to destroy debate and target me and this blog has been done by your Sharia loving pal and his Jehadi partner. I am sure you will conveniently side step this as in your dictionary any objection to Jehadi diarrhea is called Islamophobia!

    I am forensically waiting for NO answer!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Like Hindu-hating AG Noorani, this Sharia-loving jihadi, fake Ravi, is loved by Mahesh and his pseudo friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Despite Ravi making skin color racist remarks against all NON norht Indians.

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  • Anonymous

    One night President Obama and his wife Michelle decided to do something out of routine and go for a casual dinner at a restaurant that wasn’t too luxurious. Whe
    n they were seated, the owner of the restaurant asked the President’s secret service if he could please speak to the First Lady in private. They obliged and Michelle had a conversation with the owner. Following this conversation President Obama asked Michelle, why was he so interested in talking to you. She mentioned that in her teenage years, he had been madly in love with her. President Obama then said, “so if you had married him, you would now be the owner of this lovely restaurant”, to which Michelle responded, “no, if I had married him, he would now be the President.”

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  • Anonymous

    EC orders probe into Subramanian Swamy’s
    charges against Rahul Gandhi

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/EC-orders-probe-into-Subramanian-Swamys-charges-against-Rahul-Gandhi/articleshow/17253311.cms

    What action will EC take if Rahul is found guilty of providing wrong information?

    EC official will cal Rahul at his office, offer him a tea/coffee and will tell him
    ‘ Rahulji, iss baar aapko maaf kiya, aisi galti phir nahin kijiyega’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He will probably say, “Rahul ji, aap abhi bhi bachche ho. Agar yahi galti Swamy ne kiya hota to unki chhe saal ki chhutti kar deta main. Yah baat yaad rakhna. main sheegrah hi retire honaywala hoon. Aap yahaan tak aaye, Dhanyawaad”

    The above comment is by the fakes, Ravi/engrich.

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    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Ohhh! Congress got everybody in control!! First CBI, now EC !!

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  • Anonymous

    Is it getting almost certain that Namo shall be the next PM of India ? Recent reports , opinions and articles appearing in the Media, electronic as well as Print , seem to be pointing in that direction. There is also a perceptible restlessness in some quarters…specially among elements who have had a free run during the UPA rule.
    The TOI reported today that the Imam of Jama Masjid while addressing those who listen to him , in Kanpur , said that it is in the interest of those who were there, to have politically weak governments. He has only made the secularists unhappy …why did he say something that they do not ever wish to state .. Owaisi too has a similar gameplan for Andhra.
    But will these gameplans not be rendered null and void when.. Namo moves into 7 RCR….will not the dreams of some of these turn sour …Iftaar parties may cease to be a political tool…getting photographed with skull caps and kaffkas may become passe…. the country may finally begin to see genuine secularism … where all Indians are just Indians …atleast in spirit if not in letter.

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  • Anonymous

    Delhi court issues summons to Digvijay in criminal defamation case
    filed by Gadkari.

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  • Anonymous

    http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/sonia_gandhi.jpg

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    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Gori hai na! Gadkari ka muhn aise hi kala hai.

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  • Ravi

    BOOKER WARS

    From time to time blogers here have pointed that Pakistan indoctrinates its children by mis-representing Hinduism and its History. That is true and our criticism is valid and should continue. However, every now and then we need to look at what our books are saying and check that they too are not pandering to falsely held prejudices.

    For an example read the following…

    Non-vegetarians lie, indulge in sex crimes, says a school text book.

    The book titled New Healthway: Health, Hygiene, Physiology, Safety, Sex Education, Games and Exercises reportedly said that non-vegetarians “easily cheat, tell lies, they forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes.”

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Non-vegetarians-lie-indulge-in-sex-crimes-NCERT-textbook-says/articleshow/17244516.cms

    The publisher of this book is the S Chand Group and the following is what they proclaim…

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  • vijay !

    —————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~ CRONY CAPITALIST COMEDY~~ ponty and monty shoot each other!!~~
    —————————————————————————————————

    India the land of crony capitalism of Vadra Kind just witnessed a black comedy!

    Two brothers who gritted teeth at each– Ponty and Monty~~~ shot each other — DEAD!! ~~ boom boom!! Both reportedly aimed at each others balls !!

    Those who know the real estate scene in India know how Crony capitalist PontyJi and MontyJi operated.

    Pontyji just had the Chief Minster in his pocket. Mulaym or Maya… rishwat do or khareedo. Then he threatened all liquor companies and distributors and got a monoply over liquor supply to UP.

    He just doubled the price of each bottle of beer and rum and wine
    And pocketed the profit like a real swine….!! :)

    Beer costs 60 rs a bottle in Delhi
    and Rs 120 in Noida

    Teachers costs Rs 1000 in Delhi
    And 2000 in Noida…

    So Ponty ji made 2 croresw of profit a day
    And MOnty ji jal jal kar mar gaye!!

    Ponty ji bribed chief Ministers and COngressmen at centre
    MOnty JI Could not stand this banter

    Ponty became a coloniser
    MOnty became a womaniser!!

    SO one day the two brothers met
    for becoming brothers again

    Both brother
    had a plan to kill the other

    Both fired the guns together
    And now will live in Heaven here after !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay now what will happen to the scam money invested by the two CMs in his business….woh to lagta hai doob gaya.

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    SHENOYBV Reply:

    It reminds us of Pramod Mahajan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay and SHenoy

    Ponty Chadha financed films to get more fame and also glamour.

    I wish someone makes a black comedy on this Ponty and Monty Saga with a a background of the cronyism they reprsent

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Sibling rivalry is a strange thing. What would they be discussing in heaven or hell? Would they regret or be happy that the other too has gone?

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    My father once gave us a lecture when we brothers independently started our businesses.

    “That it is easy for you to swallow the idea of the guy on the road being a crorepati… but to see your own brother or your closest friend will give you the biggest destructive jealousy… and you have to build your strength for such an eventuality…. ”

    Though I am far from attaining any wealth… well I always tell myself to celebrate the success of your close ones.

    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Always listen to the elders ( Start with old man like me)

    vijay ! Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab you are old at 19 !

    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Very few so kind and loyal. Always follow me. Don’t try to move ahead like Monti. I am scared of bullets, that too from people I love so much. The world is so unkind.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Praveen take it from me… the CMs dont invest money there.

    Ponty G and others like him, just pledge a part of the project to the CM. For example Wave was given 4,500 acres by Mayawati on the Yamuna Expressway. 500 acres was supposed to be hers

    Similary in case of 10 towers being made by a builder… 1 or two towers are given to the CM.

    When Mulayam came in he first cancelled all the licencsed of the builders projects. Ponty’s city centre –4500 crore project was also given a licence cancellation notice. Then swift negotiations happened.

    The licence was revived. In act all projects were given permission to build an extra FAR so that the kickbacks to the new CM did not effect their profitability.!

    By the way the PWD ministry is for that reason with Mulayam.s brother Shiv Pal/ Shiv Pal as we know is on record telling bureaucrats and engineers that they can take bribes as long as they did not spoil the quality too much!

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    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Sahib Singh Verma story !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay you may be right. ..I have also heard that some BSP officers were retained by SP so that they could collect the balance amount from the Builders and deposit with the new govt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who will ever catch these looting Bas**** except a strong Lokpal?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo, Vijay
    I guess the powers that be must have already started working on which Developer can take over his projects especially Wave City Center, Noida …… DLF ? The replacement can get it dirt cheap .

    vijay ! Reply:

    look technically their companies have the licences. Now Ponty’s children have to have the nerve to run the show. In case they have been trained to tackle politicians, handle the liquor trade and tackle all the other problems of business…. they still would have a rough day.

    Sp and BSp will first make it clear to any party which takes over that so many thousand crores has to come to them first.

    DLF is Vadra and Rahul’s party so SP and BSP will not allow it easily. Vadra and Mulayam wont reveal their chaddies to the same guy.

    Maybe UNITECH, Earth, Parasnath, ..Jaypee ( he has the money)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay …bijness and paalitcs are mutually exclusive . They can always arrive at some understanding when it comes to sharing loot. … I took DLF s name just like that…. it could be any one but he has to have political support..

    vijay ! Reply:

    Well DLF does not enter UP because of the Gandhi family Congress link. Except for Noida mall, they have surrendered a few projects here.

    Conversely Rahul and Sonia protest against land acquisition in UP at 35 lakhs an acre while Rahul hmslef bought land at 5 lakhs an acre in Faridabad. The Congress gave away 5000 acres to Mukesh Ambani in Gurgaon at 20 lakhs an acre.

    Further on Vadra himself bought land at ONLY 30,000 per acre. And purchased 1800 acres even though legally he could not have purchased more than 21 acres.

  • shen0ybv

    Limits of Naipaul’s antipathies, C M Naim : Sat Nov 17
    2012, 01:21 hrs

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/limits-of-naipaul-s-antipathies/1032188/1

    He is entitled to his stories about Ayodhya. But
    if that fiction is sold as history, some pushback is inevitable

    Pratap Bhanu Mehta, in his
    “intervention” in the matter of Karnad vs Naipaul (‘Master of antipathies’, IE,
    November 9) is brilliant when he writes: “Without a sense of hostile distance,
    you will not be able to get through to the deep passions that animate people.
    Empathy produces a superficial understanding. It rests on the presumption that
    some form of sympathy can make human beings intelligible. Antipathy, in this
    view, produces a deeper form of understanding, because it cuts through the
    self-justifications of agents to reveal the deep, often unconscious complexes
    that drive them.” But also helpful? I’m not so sure. I firmly believe that
    contra-factual history writing can provide many insights, but would never
    suggest it is indubitably or totally helpful in every instance.

    Concerning V.S. Naipaul — my
    apologies to those in India who can only call him Sir Vidia — it may be useful
    to remember the old Sherlock Holmesian insight about the dog that didn’t bark
    at night. Certainly when it comes to championing his insightful antipathies, I
    well know how he feels about India, Africa and the Caribbean islands — or
    rather the relatively darker people in those lands — and have long benefited
    from his antipathetic insights concerning them. I have had trouble, however, of
    benefiting from the same when it comes to the fairer skinned folks, in
    particular those in his preferred domicile. Nor have I seen him lumbering up to
    wag a finger at those who misunderstand his antipathies and use them for their
    own not-so-helpful purposes.

    It is true that the devil lies in the details, but it is also
    true that the divine is not far away either when it comes to details. Naipaul
    as a fictionist has the right to choose his moments of history when it comes to
    Ayodhya; he can be as selective as he wishes in order to craft his fiction to
    his satisfaction. But if his agent or publisher, not to say Naipaul himself,
    sells that fiction as history then some pushback has to come. For Naipaul and
    his admirers, Ayodhya begins and ends with two dates: 1526 and 1992. Nothing
    happened in between. Nothing else matters. A psychic wound was made in 1526; it
    miraculously healed — well, not miraculously; a lot of nasty bits played some
    role — in 1992. But for the local people, who, according to Naipaul, should be
    most deeply wounded, a few other dates did matter. For example 1855, when a
    Muslim nawab sent a Hindu general with a small army and many cannons to stop a
    fanatic Muslim from laying claim to parts of Hanumangadhi in Ayodhya. The
    general was successful, and properly rewarded. Or 1949, when Ram Lalla made his
    miraculous appearance in the sanctum of the “disputed structure”. Naipaul
    wouldn’t know, and antipathetically wouldn’t care if he did, that there was
    then in Ayodhya someone named Swami Akshay Brahmachari who undertook a fast in
    order to heal the wound that his beloved Ayodhya had received. That the
    Brahmachari was deceived by the politicians in power is also something Naipaul
    wouldn’t care to know, nor the little detail that, for a couple of decades after
    the “miracle”, the Muslim appellant and the Hindu defendant used to travel from
    Faizabad to the high court in Lucknow and back in a shared taxi, and retained
    their friendly ties as long as they lived. I remembered these tiny details when
    I read the sad news about the most recent disturbances in Faizabad. To Naipaul,
    they would be just more proof how right he was about India’s wounded psyche.

    In any case, Girish Karnad’s big question was:
    why was an Indian lit-fest honouring Naipaul? I have not seen any answer to it.
    My search on the internet has failed to turn up the citation that the festival
    people must have prepared and properly declaimed. Does it refer to his An Area
    of Darkness as an insightful study? Or, his The Middle Passage as the essential
    book on the Caribbean islands? Does it underscore his insights as the true
    fruit of his rare antipathies? I don’t know, for it has not been published or
    quoted from, not even by Anil Dharker. We are simply told that Naipaul was
    eligible because he is of “Indian origin”, and that he cannot be prejudiced
    against Islam or Muslims since he has a Muslim wife.

    Now, if Naipaul has Indian origins,
    so do the hundreds of thousands who immigrated to Pakistan in 1947. But, for
    the life of me, I can’t see the organisers of the lit-fest rushing to have all
    Pakistanis above age 65 granted a PIO status, which I saw in some paper, much
    to my amusement, being discussed concerning Naipaul. In case I have misjudged
    them, and that is a possibility I must allow, I apologise. Also, to help them
    in their selfless work, I suggest a name for next year’s lifetime achievement
    award for a person of Indian origin: Intizar Hussain. He has surer claim, since
    it was he, and not his grandfather, who was born in UP, India.

    As for the other explanation that drags in his
    Pakistani wife, I can only say that at one time there were many in these United
    States who only too quickly would claim that some of their best friends were
    Jews.

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  • vijay !

    An ode to the Ponty and MOnty saga:

    Ponty MOnty do the bhai
    Daroo distribution par hui ladai

    Ponty keheta main karoonga
    Monty kehata main karoonga

    itne mein Maya Mulayam ki fauj aayai
    Dono se bahut rishwat khai

    Rishwat de-kar Dono khush hu-ae bhai
    Ab poori UP unki jeb main aayi

    Par Jealousy ne unpar chapat lagayi…
    AB HEAVEN MEIN HAI DONO BHAI!!!

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    SHENOYBV Reply:

    My source says Ponti was far ahead. His brother was not at par. Now his 9000 crore midday meal contract in UP has gone waste.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Yes they were together once. The sibling jealousy … and the way Ponty sidelined him made him the avenging killer.

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  • SHENOYBV

    Ponty Chada and Bal Thackeray died on the same day!

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Yes… I hope Ponty serves daru to Bala Thakrey up there!

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    SHENOYBV Reply:

    Two goons will celebrate together.

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    Vinoo59 Reply:

    My forensic analysis says they planned it together. Ponty first went to secure the contract in hell. Thakrey will manage. Whoever goes next will enjoy the fruit without making any effort. Who is that?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well another fake posting under my name. This man made na effort to create a fake IS in Discuss with a capital V.

    Well this fake has an English which is quite normal. So it is not Engrich.

    MOhan… the list now shortens down to one or two people. The mystery of the fake imposter is drawing to a close.

    We also know that this guy gets riled by me, Shenoy and Binoy for being anti COngress and anti Islamic Fundo. We can safely come closer to the truth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is Engrich.

    Anonymous Reply:

    See the quality of Engish in the posting above. It is not Engrich. Unless of course he got someone to post it on his behalf.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you are talking about the article by Noorani which has been posted under your name than it is definitely Engrich as he has already posted the same on another website under Tajender’s name.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The comment above with Vinoo spelt in a capital V. The Engish could not be of enrich but maybe our cyber warrior in the Pak embassy.

    It could be also becasue of jealousy as his posting on Booker was ignored.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He has again posted using Shenoy’s ID. Undoubtedly he is our misguided friend Tajender/Engrich. He adopts same silly childish style on another website too. Better to ignore this
    Naam chor.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never leave anyone out of a probe! there is another friend who loves IDs! I am sure this will make him jump back into this blog!

    Anonymous Reply:

    We also know Ravi and Engrich work in tandem.

    Vinoo59 Reply:

    u r rite.

    Ravi Reply:

    Simplest of forensic test and the bragadocious accountant
    fails miserably. The word pathetic would be appropriate if it wans’t too lyrical to be wasted on this low life.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Today is my son’s birthday.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure your son is really Ram!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He will probably never be able in celebrate his birthday in Bombay as whole every year Bombay will be mourning on 17 th Nov.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thakrey influence iwll fizzle out fast. Uddav is a lame duck. Raj, everyone in Mumbai knows is a COngress prop.

  • SHENOYBV

    Insider information – Last person to visit Thackeray with a bouquet and a get well soon message was Gadkari.

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  • Ravi

    मौत भी आई तो इस नाज़ के साथ ..

    हम पे एहसान किया हो जैसे..

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  • Anonymous

    What they don’t teach you at Harvard Business School

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/headon/entry/what-they-don-t-teach-you-at-harvard-business-school

    Question: how do you convert Rs.50 lakh into Rs.1,600 crore? You won’t get an answer from any of the learned professors at Harvard Business School. But you will if you hire a clever Indian chartered accountant.

    Here’s how it goes. You run a political party. You accept “donations” from the public. Your audited balance sheets show that, between 2004-05 and 2010-11, you received Rs. 2,008 crore in donations – officially. As a political party you are exempt from all taxes – income-tax, service tax, capital gains tax.

    So you have a fairly healthy corpus of reserves which you are supposed to use – as per Election Commission (EC) guidelines – strictly for “political” purposes.

    So what do you do? Why, you go right ahead and give an unsecured loan of Rs. 90 crore from your political party’s healthy fund reserves, built through public donations, to a defunct newspaper publishing company.

    This company, by sheer coincidence, has a debt of Rs. 90 crore. The loan from your party extinguishes that debt and makes the defunct newspaper publishing company debt-free and employee-free.

    But does the defunct newspaper publishing company have any value? Well, it owns, among other assets, a large building in the heart of Delhi on land specifically granted to newspaper publishing companies to publish newspapers. The estimated value of the building? Rs.1,600 crore.

    So, here we have a defunct newspaper publishing company which does not publish anything, much less a newspaper, with zero debt, zero employees, near-zero sundry expenses – and a building worth Rs. 1,600 crore.

    Now what? Your clever Indian chartered accountant, not all those learned professors at Harvard Business School, provides the answer: float a new non-profit company to buy up the defunct company’s shares for a token Rs. 50 lakh.

    Kosher? Absolutely.

    Laws broken? Perhaps.

    But it will take a decade or more to prove they were – if they were – and public memory is conveniently short.

    But, your spokesmen say, the political party made “no commercial gain” from the Rs. 90-crore loan transaction. Exactly. The political party in fact made a commercial loss of Rs. 90 crore (the unsecured loan). The commercial gain was made by the new non-profit company which now owns a building valued at Rs. 1,600 crore, having paid just Rs. 50 lakh to buy 100% shareholding in the defunct newspaper publishing company.

    Interestingly, 76% of the shares of this new asset-rich but non-profit company belong to two senior leaders of the party. Since the defunct newspaper publishing company was owned by dozens of now-deceased shareholders of the grand old party, should not the shares of the new non-profit company belong to the party as a cooperative rather than to a few individuals? Ah, but this is no ordinary political party. It’s a family enterprise.

    What next? No newspaper is being published from the building. All staff have left. The building is empty. The clever Indian chartered account regards this as a criminal waste of real estate.

    Rent it out, he says, and you do. The income after all can always be set off against expenditure designated under the head “charitable purposes” so that your balance sheet shows no profit. That takes care of the letter, if not the spirit, of the law.

    Is renting space in your building illegal? It may not be if your new company has as one of its objectives in its Articles of Association the business of renting real estate. And if it doesn’t, it can always be appended later by your clever chartered accountant.

    If, on the other hand, you now restart the paper, under media and political duress, all floors of the building will be needed for operations. Hundreds of retrenched staff will have to be re-hired. The current income from rent will vanish. Expenditure will spiral. Daily newspapers can lose as much as Rs. 100 crore a year. Another Rs. 90 crore debt write-off may be required in the near future. So restarting a newspaper under duress is a poor option, your chartered accountant tells you.

    But what would the Harvard Business School professor, having heard both sides of the story, recommend you do?

    Simple. Reverse the entire transaction, he’d say. Return the Rs. 90-crore unsecured loan to your political party. Restore ownership of the Rs. 1,600-crore building to the original defunct newspaper publishing company by transfering back to it the 100% shareholding your new non-profit company bought from it for Rs. 50 lakh.

    If you do that, this episode will become required reading as a Harvard Business School case study titled: “How to place public interest above private interest”.

    And if you don’t? You might well lose the next general election and have to restart the newspaper after all.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Sure read it yesterday,and thought some body will bring this up.
    Thanks

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not very strangely no main stream media is talking about this
    news. Saale sab bike huve hain.

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    AshokChauhan Reply:

    It’s nice that L N Mittal did not go to Havard or took your or this author’s advice.

    Otherwise he could have never taken over the Steel Mills all over the World.

    Have time for some research ?

    Or, that’s too much to ask for from the learned bloggers here?

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    vinoo59 Reply:

    Copy n Paste. Copy n Paste without application of mind. Don’t expect anything more.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By your accounts all is well if the Nehru gandhi parivar makes money…. because by trickle down theory… you will get some.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Instead of ridiculing me, other bloggers and Mr. Merchant the writer of the article,
    do you have anything to say to counter what Mr. Merchant has written.

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    AshokChauhan Reply:

    To counter your author, send him an email – “it sounds like L N Mittal’s Business take over Model”. He will understand. He just needs to be reminded, not explained.

  • Ravi

    Rest in peace all the souls he departed..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Excellent tribute. Nice Word-craft.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Thank you Mahesh

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    In the hullabaloo of Bal Thakare’s death, I think people did not notice that his Doctor was one-Jaleel Parkar. This sounds like a muslim name. So how come a muslim doctor(emphasis is mine) treating a staunch communalist? Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s docotr was one Mr. Patel- who did not disclose to any one that Jinnah was suffering from TB, otherwise that would have been against his oath- but could have saved partition and innumerable deaths. The point I am trying to raise is that, it does not matter, if you are Hindu or Muslim. If you have excellent education, work ethics and loyalty, you can rise to very top. There are thousands of such examples.
    Real communalists are people, who want to have privilages and special rights, just because of their religion. People, supporting this mentality are in fact worst communalists and India is full of them such psuedo secualrists, without any doubt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Real communalists, like the Sangh Parivar, are people, who want to deny the normal privileges and guaranteed rights to people, who happen to follow Abrahamic faiths. People who support this type of mindset are in fact are also the worst communalists and have had no qualms of using violence against the minorities. India is full of them too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure as per your definition the Congress bending down double to Owaisi is secularism and Digvijay trying to show Kasab as innocent the height of secularism.

    Of Course Rahul Gandhi’s ISO certifcation of LeT innocence would be the Everest of secularism! is it not so?

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  • Ravi

    Worst of all are people who do not understand the first thing about community or communalism. They knee jerk at the site of words and concepts that they have spent less than a Nano second to understand.

    A community is defined as a social group of people who share some common elements of a culture/sub-culture; such as cuisine, language, often but not always a geographical area, cultural and historical heritage, and common interests.

    In the light of above Punjabi’s are a community which consists of people from at least three different religious traditions; namely Sikh, Hindu and Muslim.
    Similarly, Tamil are a community consisting of people from Hindu, Muslim
    and Christian religions.

    Punjabi Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims have very little in common with Tamil Hindus/Christians/Muslims. Just as Umma is a failed attempt at forging a Islamic Community, likewise the Hinduatva is a failed attempt at creating a Hindu Community out of a plethora of Indian communities.

    To sum up Punjabis and Tamils are examples of communities and Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians are religious groups.

    For example, B V Shenoy and Daud Ibrahim belong to the same Konkan community.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pankaj

    It is sad that India is being divided on HIndu and Muslim lines by people like Salman Khurshid, Digivajy singh, Rahul gandhi and Bal Thakrey.

    Bal Thakrey would evoke regional divisions and communal divisions in Mumbai.

    The Congress did this in UP when it trivialised the martyrdom of Indian security personel in search for vote banks.

    Both got salutes of fear. All the major actors in Mumbai… including film actors would keep thakrey happy. Smimilarly at the centre, the Congress sends its CBI and Gestapo on everyone who questions its corruption anc crony captialism.

    MJ Akbar’s story was highlighted by Shenoy on this blog — on how he lost his job at India Today all because he pointed out the loot by Vadra.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Thackeray complemented Advaniji’s (and the whole RSS plethora) all-India act in Mumbai. And yet, Mr. Thackeray appears alone in your post. Are you arguing he were good as long as he confined it to religious communal hatred ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are selective in reading and understanding.

    You should broaden your vision and see that leaders like Bal Thakrey– both communal and regional and Rahul– communal and dynastic– do not represent the aspersions of the common man as such. They need to create spin to stay in the news and divide.

    In my opinion Bal Thakrey was communal and regionlstic

    Rahul Gandhi is communal and dynastic.

    Salman Khurshid is communal and corrupt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So, do you still think Mr. Thackeray was alone in his communal endeavours ? Or has selective amnesia gotten better of you ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    NO rahul, Salman and Digvijay on one side and thakrey ont he other balance each other out.

    Obviouly to you the other side is rosy… and pink

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please read my question clearly and don’t dilly dally again .
    Do you think Mr. Thackeray was playing to the gallery alone ?
    BTW, Rahul Gandhi was nowhere around when in 1992/93.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sure Rajiv Gandhi first set the fire with the Muslim womens bill and bending to communalists in Slaman Rushide case. Maybe you were never born the or too busy sucking lollipops to notice that

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv Gandhi was dead then during 1992 / 93 Rathyatra and Mumbai episode.
    BTW, keep trying somewhere I am sure you would end up with Motilal Nehru.
    As for other part of your response – Unlike you, I don’t fancy imagining what others prefer sucking. Maye you may want to discuss your imagination with your “swayamsewaks”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are too scared to name the Gandhi parivar. Are you trying to get some sort of Seva dal postion later on in life?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice try at deflection again. Keep wallowing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh!! I think you are anyway so confused… I dont need to deflect you. You will keep walking circles anyway…

    pankaj Reply:

    a rabbid hindu fascist murderer, agent, of international violent organization died.good riddance of bad stuff.had slow nad agonizng death.good.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinoo,
    Yes, Engrich and his ilk are very active, using psuedonames, like psuedo secularists. Do not worry about them. they are kagazi sher, I mean Internet tigers. Yes, it is not only Muslim Communalism but Hindu Communalism is also to be suppressed, but in my opinion, Hindu communalism is only 5% of Muslim Communalism, which is open to debate. All the crows, who are using only one direction lane, are just self serving lackeys.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What is your basis of 5 p.c. and 95 p.c. ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    A RSS pamphlet written by Tarun Vijay

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Let us discuss, Hindu communalism versus Muslim communalism. where from we should start? You set the date and time. we will go from there.
    Fair enough??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Hindu communalism is 5% of Muslim Communalism.

    however there is a game to make this sound as if is 5 times Muslim communalism and then use it as a base for making more concessions to Muslims and creating religious votebanks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wisdom gleaned from local RSS shakha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Better then being brainwashed by Al Zawhari.

    Ravi Reply:

    There are many other alternatives for us, but for you its only the ultra shrill Hindu Fundo Tait Lundgoat wearing Jarr Jess Jess

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are a fanatic fascist wanting your family women to be judged under Sharia!

    Ravi Reply:

    Just as you want your women to be the subject of casteist, regressive Khap Tyranny

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hate khap… I denounce it. You support Sharia and think it to be just…. and ts opponenets are Islamophobes to you.

    Mahesh do you echo your guru’s views on this?

    Ravi Reply:

    I support Muslims right to self-govern themsleves under Sharia if they wish to and as long as it is withing the frame-work of National Laws. The rest is your pathetic exageration to score cheap frookhabadi aam ki jhante points

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are too mcuh a ****** to have the concept of women;s rights being bigger than a book which is wrong. SO you beleive that a woman is half of a man in proprty inheritence?

    engrich Reply:

    since 80s hindu communalism changed into hindu fascism..records of anti-muslim riots is proof of this fact.

  • Anonymous

    HUmko batting do nahi toh hum khel bigade ge! :

    ————————————————————

    There are a couple of idiots on this blog who have lost all the arguemtns and debates 10-0.

    So they have taken the route of putting in fake entries in the name of regular bloggers to insult them.

    One seasoned guy– Binoy Hegde — has already left the blog in disgust. Others may follow soon.

    Now who are these guys.

    a) Engrich is obvious to all. All incoherent cut and paste is by him

    b) The other guy is _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _? or _ _ _ _

    —> His english is better then engrich

    —> On a posting on Ponty Chadha he was aware that Chadha was into contracts with the government.

    —-> he defiantely hates all BJP guys

    So pathak is that you ? Or Ravi is that you?

    Whoever it is, is a real loser in real life. I would call him impotent as he does not have the guts to reveal his name. In fact cannot argue but would make a mockery of this blog.

    So Mr impotent…. react to this post NOW!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I would be glad if you feel “disgusted” and leave this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    NOw that is a real loser!

    You cant face the truth. So exterminate the opposition. Seems you learnt this at the feet of Thakrey OR Dawood OR Owaisi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually expunging BS is more like it.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh this failed Forensic bean counter accepts conjecture as facts and has learnt from his friend Vijay the art of self-declaring victory and then congratulating himself. Simplest of analysis required to identify the faker on this blog was required and he failed miserably, instead of resorting to scrutiny he pandered to his own personal prejudices.

    Anonymous Reply:

    give me the analysis… give me the name… then…

    Ravi Reply:

    You need pay heed to what Mohan tells you. He analyzed the content, pattern and similarities with posts in other blogs visited by him and Tajendar.

    But since, it is now beyond any doubt, that you do not read, and what you read you mis-interpret. Your desire to lash out is so strong that you are blissfully oblivious of the fact that what you are indulging in is self-flagellation of Shia ferocity.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh this failed Forensic bean counter accepts conjecture as facts and has learnt from his friend Vijay the art of self-declaring victory and then congratulating himself. Simplest of analysis required to identify the faker on this blog was required and he failed miserably, instead of resorting to scrutiny he pandered to his own personal prejudices.

    Ravi Reply:

    Hear hear hear

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Trouble is Both Ravi and Mahesh keep hearign each other!! And then believe there is a crowd !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, when is the “disgust” going to get better of you ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I come hear to see your confusion and enjoy myself ! Thanks for the entertainment….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh Great. Then shut up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You came up t me… threw a wild punch… missed the target… and LOST!!

    So better you walk away… defeated… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ever heard of heckling ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is what you tried to do. And lost.

    “A crow can keep crowing thruoghout the day…. nobody gets the message”—- Panchtantra tales

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rest assured. I haven’t.

  • Anonymous

    TRACING THE FAKE BLOGGER– part 2:

    —————————————————-

    While working as a forensic accountant one of the most interesting assignment was taking on the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) of Agha hasan Abedi, the Pakistani fraudster.

    So I can bet there are two impotent crooks at work here.

    a) Tajendar is obvious to all.

    b) The second is Ravi or emotional. Unless there is another silicon implant here from Pakistan. His English is better and he hates the RSS, BJP and its supporters.

    Cmo Mr impotent… step out and tell us who you are.

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    Ravi Reply:

    All

    We have heard ad nauseous about the miraculous forensic skills of this pathetic number cruncher, yet he feels the best way he is able to smoke out the imposter is by asking you.

    This runt is self-deluding himself into a frenzy

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Arre chaddo Vinoo ji

    Duja banda Ravi haiga.

    He lose all fight. he puts Pakistani agenda. He is impotent and need 1 kg Viagra for little standup.

    he is ravi, sau percent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In your opijion, the fake guy who is wrecking the blog… is he an impotent SOB … or is he a genius?

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    vin0059 Reply:

    we can also call this engrichomania.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Mr Impotent… you have surfaced now. Where do you spend your day and nights? In engrich;s arms?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich is maniac anyway.!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Mr Impotent… .just surface now… Where do you spend your day and nights? In engrich;s arms?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “While working as a forensic accountant one of the most interesting assignment was taking on the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) of Agha hasan Abedi, the Pakistani fraudster.”
    AND
    “So I can bet there are two impotent crooks at work here.”

    How are these two statements related ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    The first establishes a credible skill set and the second is the result of application of that skill.

    Alternatively.

    The first is a self-congratulatory braggadocious statement and the second at best is stating the obvious.

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  • Anonymous

    Almost every day since about last one month I have been thinking of stop visiting this which used to be a great blog because of regular useless posts I have to go through, but still somehow I feel attached to this blog which forces
    me to come and see what other regular knowledgeable and intelligent bloggers have posted. Don’t know how long I will be visiting here. Next week I am going to India and will be there at least for a month and would have loved to meet few bloggers . See you gentlemen.

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    vin0059 Reply:

    qadr ullu kee ullu janta hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are right. Vinodji has allowed a couple of jihadis to hijack the blog, which is a veruy sad development.

    What these two turds couldn’t chieve by directly opposing the rest of us on points, they have now achieved by posting their Islamic jihadi garbage by using our IDs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Actually I don’t have any problem with any person or anybody’s views as I believe that everyone is entitled to his/her views.
    This wonderful blog was going no where since last few weeks where
    some of us were guilty of practicing tu tu mein mein contest instead
    of engaging in a meaningful dialogue. I am thinking of taking a
    break for a while.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Hi Mohan, if you are ever in Delhi, drop me a note at canindya AT gmail DOT com

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Would love to meet you but I am not sure whether I will come to Delhi. Almost whole of December I will be in Bombay. I will stay in touch and will let you know if there is any change of
    plan and I decide to come over there. I will drop you a mail later.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Let that break be with wine women and wealth….

    Now most gujjus claim that they abstain from the first 2 and only pursue the 3rd…

    Of course they fib on this…

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy sahab;
    Vinod is one of the most successful blogger, which is proved by the sheer number of posts he gather here, unmatched in not only India but everywhere. one reason could be sheer number of argumentative indians(my wife accuses me of this) or his strategy to allow extremes on both side to gather TRPs, every click on HT for writing this blog is noted somewhere. Master salesman is our Vinod. he is smiling, I know.

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  • pankaj#1

    Thakarey Zindabad,
    Long live Thakrey and his thinking.
    Let us debate this. and why not??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, a man is a sum total of pluses and minuses. Mumbai Pune highway,, 40 plus flyovers in Mumbai etc are standing symbols of what this man could do. But, overall, he was a destructive person pitting one against the other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Which thinking of Thackeray do you love ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    His anti-Sonia, anti-foreign domination are both live issues.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Thackeray is less known for his anti-Sonia stand . It was “other ideologies” that he was more vehement about.

  • pankaj#1

    All;
    Reading indian papers and looking at very funny phenomenon. Names sounding like Indian hindus are assailing Bal Thakre and names sounding like muslims praising him??
    Wow,
    So this is the secularism, being practiced in India or psuedos in full play?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Bal Thackrre’s base basically is the Marathi mano group; hard core Marathas. .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    First, Thackerays are not Maratha. Second, the base Shiv Sena operated on has long since eroded.

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  • Anonymous

    Although we should not speak ill of the dead , I got a crimp when Dr MMS praised Bal Thackrey’s strong leadership…”

    What was his strong leadership in? I praise him for his destruction of the communist based trade unions. But what he built in its place is equally fascist.
    And his tirade against south Indians, Muslims, and now North Indians….

    May be MMS had to say that because his minions would have gone crazy if he did not praise Thackrey….

    Such are the times..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji- Thakre will be remembered as the man who tried to destroy the vibrant cosmopolitan Mumbai into an ethnic cesspool. The good thing is that he did not succeed; Mumbai thrives with a mix of people from all over India driving it to new frontiers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    absolutely true. The Mumbai of 80’s was the place to be in.

    Now it has become a divided city.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mumbai has learned long since walked away from its terrible past. It is no longer a communally divided city.
    Another thing, 80s are history.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope raj Thakrey does not take over the mantle.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Vinoo, Shoeb, Pankaj ji,

    Yes, Bal Thakre’s was a deeply divisive agenda, but he had it in him to change his line when the hate thing went out of line.

    He came into his own when he destroyed the Datta Samant stronghold on the textile unions,which had humbled the whole industry. Thereafter, his rise was meteoric.

    Though the Mumbai for Marathis campaign initially was successful against South Indians, it was very soon changed to anti-communist, anti-pakistan and anti-congress movements. They had their big moments too.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Right now I am being lynched (mercifully it is only digital lynching in a closed group on FB) for suggesting Balasaheb Thakre was a criminal. I have witnessed the 93 riots in Mumbai up close and since then, nothing anyone may say or do, can ever make me say a good thing about him and the organization that he founded.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Good point from you. let us discuss this. i will use top dialogue box, as I feel, this discussion is important.

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  • AshishC

    Some interesting tweets on the HTSummit:

    The only improvement one can suggest to #HTSummit is perhaps relocation to a distant country. Chile for example.

    “The only way to catch Dawood is to tell HT to call him for a leadership summit in Delhi #htsummit #fail”

    Corrupt Thai PM + corrupt Pak President + cricket match-fixer + CM’s goonda son: Interpol list? Nah #HTsummit speakers:)

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    AshokChauhan Reply:

    Nothing can beat crowd sourcing. Amazing how people can be so creative !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is actually crude sourcing.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Crowd sourcing?? Lakhs and Lakhs of people gathered to mourn/ cry for their leader??bet, any one at national level could hire such crowd , may be Modi, jaya lalita, Karunanidhi but mention others, you may gather few smiles.

    AshishC Reply:

    :)
    Some of those guys twitting are very well known media guys in their own right- from the advertising side.

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    Ravi Reply:

    In other words you mean to say that it is NOT crudd sourcing

    Ravi Reply:

    I think it is a great idea to host Summits/Conclaves/Chintans away from locality, to far away foreign lands. One big advantage will be that they would free the politicians from parochial considerations and widen their perspective.

    I recommend that the RSS should hold its next Chintan in Saudi Arabia.

    खुदा के वास्ते पर्दा न काबे से उठा ज़ालिम

    कहीं ऐसा न हो यहाँ भी काफ़िर सनम निकले

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    AshishC Reply:

    I doubt you can do any “chintan” in Saudi Arabia- no matter what your leaning.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I doubt that any one anyehre can stop any one from doing Chintan.
    “My mind to me a kingdom is

    Anonymous Reply:

    Surprised by your support for Sharia.

    I am a Muslim by birth but I guess a human being as an individual. You have to be a true believer in human rughts to see the nonsense and torture Sharia inflicts on the dispossesed. It gives no scope for criminals to reform. It places women at a low pedestal. It gives power to the guys who claims that he has divine sanction.

    We should not applaud Sharia just because it happens to be about our religion. In the end it stops evolution of human thought and freedom from prefixed notions.

    Sharia will convert us all into puppets in the hands of the cleric.

    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez, if that is what you concluded then you are wrong.

    I do not know enough about Sharia to be able to support it.

    I support, let me say it again, I support. Did you get that, if not here is for the third time, I support a Muslim’s right to live under Sharia so long as it does not override the national laws.

    If you are able to distinguish between the two then so be it.

    Or else it is no foreskin off my vulpine hooter.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Having lived in Saudia when my father was doc there, I can assure you all chintan there

    a) has to be halal

    b( Bereft of booze and women

    c) bereft of song and dance

    d) Bereft of Shias Christians, Hindus and Sikhs in religious discourse.

    Now that would be some chintan!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish, you may advise this fake, Ravi, to hold his jihadi conclave in Kerala.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Oh, 2 more gems since I posted the last 3 reactions on twitter:

    #HTSummits apologises for not inviting Hafeez Sayeed as the keynote speaker; will make amends next year.

    and

    The only way to see Dawood is to wait for him to be invited to the #HTSummits

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Absolutely fantastic!! I think the HT can do better then getting the most hackneyed faces!

    Imagine Shinwantra as a leader or Musharraf. In Bangkok Shinwantra is made fun of!. And Pakistan has moved far beyond Mussharaff!

    This is a page 3 party…. which is really about mostly bad and failed leaders! Vinodji can do better….

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    AshishC Reply:

    Last time there this htsummit in Delhi, different editors were assigned “host” duties for different “dignitaries”- I remember Gautam Chikermane was assigned Dalai Lama- he happily blogged about it.
    I wonder who Vinod drew this time.
    To me this summit just underlines the shameless ness and brazenness of the media houses. There was never any doubt about the shamelessness of the political class, anyway.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They can get Sunny Leine for leadership and get better and happier participants who would be in the stand up mode…

    AshishC Reply:

    Last time there this htsummit in Delhi, different editors were assigned “host” duties for different “dignitaries”- I remember Gautam Chikermane was assigned Dalai Lama- he happily blogged about it.
    I wonder who Vinod drew this time.
    To me this summit just underlines the shameless ness and brazenness of the media houses. There was never any doubt about the shamelessness of the political class, anyway.

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  • pankaj#1

    Mahesh,
    As you should be aware that my post saying Thakre Zindabad was a provocation as many useless people had a field day condeming him in vilest tongue. I do not support his divisive agenda but let us examine, why phenomenon of Altaf Hussain and Bal Thakre had in common and what differ. let us see commoanality, Both are basically Urban parties. Both parties have local issues asprimary reason of their relevance. Both leader are dictator of their parties and demand total acceptance from party workers. Both may become rabble rouser whenever they want and have an iron grip on the city. i can go on this a bit more but enough for this post.
    Now the differences, Altaf espoused the cause of migrant from India, Bal Thakre opposed those migrants, Altaf fought with other emerging power centers like Afghans for jobs and influence, Thakre fougt on many Fronts started with SSouth Indians, for same, like lower level jobs od clearks and sales people. Pavements were occupied by people from all over but little chance fonr locals even on footpath. Malayalis,occupying pavements in Colaba area, werean aggressive lots because of Hazi Mastan connection, I have seen them personally. same with people from other provinces, got into a specific trde, out numbering locals and threatening grip of Thakre, had to face his ire, same with Muslims, when because of film industry or sheer number of goons from that community, which in its underground avatar, fine tuned terror tactics by even hiring guns from UP for temporary assignment in Mumbai, getting grip on rel estte, smuggling and other businesses. tnis was a direct challange to him, and he as a dictator fougt things on his terms and moment.
    my dog is not allowi…..

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    … now from Ipad to laptop, spelling will be better.
    This was his political strategy and having won Mumbai, what is next, ofcourse, maharashtra and if possible national lavel. he could not go beyond mumbai is a different matter and desirable too. That was Thakrey for me.
    BTW, he garnered praises from even Dilip Kumar, Sanjay dutt, Amitabh and in fact from whole Industries, not only film industry. Shahrukh also felt bad that he could not patch up with him. salman ofcourse was quite near to him. So that is that. his personal equation with even Rafiq Zakaria, and ther Muslim leaders were not bad if not very congenial, so was the case with congress or NCP. it was clearly a case of protecting his turf or whatever fate has dealt him the hand. Today’s paper has picked up Jalil parkar, which I had pointed out yesterday.
    I could go on but that is enough for this topic.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    A lot of it had to do with the model of growth followed by most states in India in 70’s and 80s ( socialist) in comparison to Mumbai (free enterprise.)

    Jobs and glamour (thanks to Bollywood) existed in Mumbai.

    Frankly many of my Marathi friends had a good word about Thakrey. When I said Thakrey was a goonda One guy said that he ensured discipline in Mumbai… Including clearing of Pavements and road traffic movement. AND PREVENTING THE CITY A

    When I told my engineer (a marathi) that Thakrey was ultimately a goon who ran a strong man show… he said that ultimately Thakrey was the only politician there, not in Dawood’s payroll.

    A Punjabi cousin in Mumbai who paid 20,000 bucks to Shiv sainiks as “donation” after buying a Pajero, maintains that Sainiks have a gourndswell of support… and that is why 10 lakh people turned up for the funeral march.

    So like it or not, he was a divisive figure, but then had his base.

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  • vijay !

    @ Mohan

    I have hot news for you. Balwinder Sandhu of all people is holding your love in a kothi in Punjab…..

    And you are doing nothing about it?

    —————

    —————-

    —————–

    Now dont get alarmed !!

    its about Son of Sardar, which I just saw…. Where Sanjay Dutt as balwinder Sandhu, is holding on to Sonakshi Sinha….!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I also Saw SOn of Sardar. But I saw it with a sardarni classmate!

    Oh !! I have competition from MOhan for Sonakshi now…!

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    After a very long time Ravi has said something truthful in the ;sher mentioned below. Want to congratulate him on this.

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  • Ravi

    मैं सर बो सजदा कभी हुआ तो ज़मीं से आने लगी यह सदा

    तेरा दिल तो है सनम आशना तुझे क्या मिलेगा नमाज़ में

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Ravi;
    You made these lines simple for me. i had my curiosity about this since long.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay and others

    I spent the evening following up on the Ponty Chadha saga. Sad, bad and NOT surprising.

    —> Ponty Chadha had at least four governments in his pocket. Mulayam Singh, Mayawati, Amrinder Singh and Congress and Akalis. In fact the 16 security guards he had were of the police. Why should the people of India pay for a dishonest Business man’s personal security? This is a question we must ask ourselves

    —> His monoply over liquor distribution though violence and political payoffs ensured that he could jack up prices at will and get unlimited profits through this monopoly. His land bank is now worth more than 10.000 crores.

    This is a fit case for teaching at IIMs and Management institutions on how politics and business feed o each other and help each other.

    I wish I had the time and the art of writing — that I could write a book on this.

    It certainly reveals just too much on how this country actually operates.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chadha was from Moradabad and so I know a little about him.

    His father was said to have a small shop outside a theka and they must have seen the prospects of making huge money out of people’s love for Drinks!

    But I guess deep inside UP, it was all about contacts and setting politicians for getting licences. The Chadhas used all the foul means possible but got a monoply over distribution.

    And like true monoplists doubled their prices.

    Well Vinoo I am afraid Indian management institutions dont take up controversial cases from India for study.

    However I feel Ponty Chadha gies us deep insight on how politics is financed in this country. First a political party allows unscruplous businessmen for charging as much as they can by letting them create a monoply. Then they take money from this business house.

    A very important case for understanding India. But I am afraid our IIMs and FMS ( where I study) will not touch it.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vinoo

    The challenge before India now is to show that they are more success stories fo the Infosys and Wipro type where international quality products are delvered.

    But outside IT, we have yet to gear up and show huge successes.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    As during the period and riots you have mentioned, I was not in India and not privy to details, please let me know, what happened during that time. We will go forward from that point.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My contribution as a Muslim though a liberal, non sectarian, beer guzzling, Sardaarni dating one– a before I log off.

    Unfortunately politics in India is about separating people along religious, regional and sectarian lines. Let is admit that ALL parties practice this to some extent.

    Congress always had the notion of a harijan , Muslim and Brahmin votebank. SP tries to woo Muslims and Yadavs. BSP goes for Dallits. BJP sees a Hindu world. Muslim league and Akalis are totally religious based.

    Thakrey took the que of Marathi and Hindu votes.

    Well a new party which talks about India first and NO regional religious identity is needed. Unfortunately we are not Europe or US yet.

    Thakrey gone should herald in change. But wont. Owaisi is barking for Islamic fundamentalism as much as Togadia.

    India will keep fighitng for remaining behind the world

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Parvez;
    Very well written.
    Wish people of your generation listen and emulate. These, sectarian, regional, casteists and religious divisions are bane of modern era and must be eradicated roots, shoots and leaves.

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  • Anonymous

    Parvez stop drinking Ponty Chadhas beer, it is cursed hehe.

    Ravi your defense of shariah is twisted, quite lame to suggest that muslims if they want to live under it, thats fine. Like saying if anyone wants to live under Stalin, thats fine. Parvez has fresh approach to his Islam, your words however have the stench of stale divisive thought.

    Gopi shoeb ashish dr pankaj shenoy viju vinoo mahesh saxena, suddenly blog is alive. Now where is Riswan Dr mishraji Prabhat and Binoy and Raju kurien

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    Ravi Reply:

    I guess you are right; we should take a stand against people who voluntarily wish to live under a Stalinist regime.

    After all we know better than they themselves do as to what is good for them.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Hi Ravi,
    how do you **underline**know**underline** voluntarily?

    Incidentally, the khaps have a lot of support for their regressive (sorry, that’s just me; you might find them progressive) agenda. In fact one can safely assume majority support for them- obvious from the fact that all political parties in Haryana are speaking in favour of them. Ever thought of starting a FB page: “Support rape as a solution for adolescent libido in males”?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    This post of your does’nt surprise me.

    It gives me the impression that you believe that I am a supporter for Khaps. You obviously have not been reading some of my previous posts.

    For that and that reason alone, I refuse to discuss the other more important point you made.

    AshishC Reply:

    Run away ;-) .. not for the first time, either.

    Ravi Reply:

    Whatever

    vin0059 Reply:

    praaje,tell me what is wrong with shariat.when it is not going to apply on you why u are worried.

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  • pankaj
  • AshishC

    Pankaj:
    there is nothing much to discuss about Shiv Sena, their dear departed leader/ founder.
    I am not a Bombayite or a Mumbaikar, if you must. I was stuck on a 12th floor flat in Raheja Towers in Malad E while the city was being torched, selectively. The “bai” who came to work pointed out the Muslim houses in the shanties below which were on fire.
    More up close and personal- I walked from Dadar station to Prabhadevi, all because (yes, I was young, incredibly stupid and foolishly in love) I had set up a meeting with a girl in Prabhadevi 10 days previous to landing up in Bombay and the rendezvous was to be in Prabhadevi. There were no cellphones those days, she was not even close to a phone.
    I saw a burning body just outside the Dadar station. I was accosted by Shiv Sena louts with daggers and trishuls every 100 yards or so all the way to Prabhadevi and back to Dadar who had just one question: “Kya naam hai?”.
    I am a very simple man. Criminality has no place in politics. Balasaheb could have stopped the violence if he had chosen to. He did not.
    For more dispassionate analysis, you need to go to Manohar, Mahesh etc.. I am an outsider.

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    panchen lama. Reply:

    baal thakre was working fof brhmnsts.used to dance on their tune marathi embodiment of hitler.fooled maharashtrians.agent of capitalism.finished the labour movement of maharashtra through goondaism and anti-hindu hindutva nationalism.was paid nicely by capitalists for his services.he was kayasth.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    No, you have already painted a very grim picture and that is sufficient for me. No need to go to any one else.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Did you receive the email I sent you?

    [Reply]

    AshishC Reply:

    Nope )-: I have checked my spam folder as well.

    again, canindya AT gmail DOT com

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay and Parvez

    Well all of us were discussing the Ponty Chadha Saga. The great part is today’s New York Times says exactly what we have been discussing. That Mr Chadha’s empire reveals how India is run and how crony capitalism is encouraged which later later finances our political system.

    Here are excerpts from the NYT:————

    In an era of rampant crony capitalism, Chadha was among the class of businessmen who symbolized the nexus between money and political power in India. He exerted influence in four northern states, especially in Uttar Pradesh, home to roughly 200 million people, where he had been awarded monopoly control over the state’s wholesale liquor business and held the contract to provide millions of daily midday meals to poor schoolchildren.

    His power in Uttar Pradesh was evident within hours of his death: Nearly all the liquor stores in the huge state were shuttered, according to the online edition of Tehelka, an Indian newsmagazine, while his family’s multiplex movie theaters also closed down. Critics say Chadha bought his influence with bribes, though such charges were never proved.

    “It’s a sad reflection on the state of Indian politics that a man like him could wield so much clout,” said Prakash Singh, who once commanded the state police in Uttar Pradesh. “He used money power to great advantage.”

    The Chadha family’s wealth has been estimated to be $1 billion to $10 billion, with holdings that include paper mills, shopping malls, movie theaters, sugar refineries and residential real estate projects. The family business, now known as Wave Inc., began under the Chadhas’ father but expanded rapidly during the past decade as Gurdeep Chadha courted political leaders, especially Mayawati, a former chief minister of Uttar Pradesh. Chadha gained control of the liquor business and was allowed to purchase several state-owned sugar mills at deeply discounted prices.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo
    I was a little surprised to know that the Ponty Chaddha story has travelled so far and wide and the NYT carried it . It means that India’s crony capitalism and its nexus with the corrupt politicians is the big story about India , at present . Ponty Chaddha’s story revealed how the political executive shamelessly misuses the authority vested in it.
    It only reinforces our belief that one Reform which this country needs foremost is an effective and independent Lokpal..and an independent investigative machinery.
    But will the political establishment give it .? No they are too firmly entrenched ..and it is going to be a long haul. Tiil that time we shall be fed sugar coated pills about India’s growth….FDI…Disinvestment..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately Chadha exemplifies at least 20% of the big business in India. They are the power behind the politicians.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinoo;
    this NY. article reminded me about Churchill’s prophecy- give Indians power to rule and they will eat each other and words to this effecet. How far Indians have travelled on this slippery slope from the days of independence is any body’s guess.

  • Anonymous

    Vinoo puttar, stoning to death, amputation of hands, triple tallaaq, naqab, etc THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH SHARIAT. Ashish gave gud analogy with khap. Ravi dont argue needlessly with ashish, you lower std of this intellectual blog

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder

    Our demented friend Engrich has started posting under the name fo regular bloggers. The Vinoo who praised Sharia was not me, but Engrich or some other ****** using my name with two capital O’s

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    engrich Reply:

    Vinoo puttar, stoning to death, amputation of hands, triple tallaaq, naqab, etc THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH SHARIAT
    with time things have changed.these laws were detterent and served their purpose.it has many positive effects.now we steel thousands of crores and send millions to death or poverty.doctors have become thieves and murderers in india.
    so hanging of one is better than killing of million.sharia is needed for india,country of bloody thieves and cheaters.
    choron ke sharai ke naam se phatti hai.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just to take one item from you illitertae Islamophobic rant….

    Stoning to death existed in the Middle East before Islam did

    The Torah sentences death by stoning for the following:

    1. Touching Mount Sinai while God was giving Moses the Ten Commandments (Exodus 19:13)

    2. An ox that gores someone to death should be stoned (Exodus 21:28). This must be against Hinduism.

    3. Breaking Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36)

    4. Giving one’s “seed” (presumably one’s offspring) “to Molech” (Leviticus 20:2-5)

    5. Having a “familiar spirit” (or being a necromancer) or being a “wizard” (Lev. 20:27)

    6. Cursing God (Lev. 24:10-16)

    7. Engaging in idolatry (Deuteronomy 17:2-7) or seducing others to do so (Deut. 13:7-12) That covers the entirety of Hinduism. Islam’s anti Idolatory is just a continuation of this older tradition and has nowt to do with Hinduism.

    8.”Rebellion” against parents (Deut. 21,18-21)

    9. Getting married as though a virgin, when not a virgin (Deut. 22:13-21)

    10. Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman engaged to another man (both should be stoned, Deut. 22:23-24). That is were the adultory comes from.

    Blaming islam for these old beliefs shows your ignorance and the fundmental Islamophobic attitude you have.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    There is a small difference which you are overlooking. Islam is still practicing stoning to death in some parts of the world while other religions are not.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ok so we move away from Islam inventing the barbaric practice Stoning to Death. Not true, Islam just continued what was the then practice in the Middle East as sanctified by the authority of Torah.

    Now we come to who still practices it.

    How many main-stream Muslims were stoned to Death last year. How does it compare to the number of people electrocuted or injected to death in the US alone.

    You have lived in a Muslim Coutry for a number of years, how many Daeths by stoning have you seen or heard of.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I never said Islam invented this but Islam definitely adopted
    this practice and it is part of Sharia and I also said that it is practiced in some parts of the world only. It is surely practiced in Iran and Afghanastan not sure of others and yes I have not heard of it in Dubai since I am staying here . Other religions have discarded this practice while Islam has still to do it.

    Are you trying to compare stoning to death for adultery with
    electrocution in US for murdering another human being or similar type of heinous crime in US?

    Ravi Reply:

    I suggest you think about this over a wi dram tonite and reflect on it. Ask your-self some hard questions.
    If Khap is not the true face of Hinduism, then neither is Taliban the yard stick by which one can safely measure the totality of Islam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure you would have not heard or read that Hindus and people from other religions from all over India have always vehemently condemned such Khap practices. Even Supreme court had many times pulled up authorities/police of that area
    for not doing their duty and I am sure you have not heard that many such culprits have been caught and cases have been filed against them.

    Ravi Reply:

    Do me a favour, I read in a day most people read in a month

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    you too do us all a big favour.

    Keep reading.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Stoning by death is very convenient.
    It is generally decreed for only women. It soesn’t need hangmen and it gets enthusiastic volunteers and there is always more than adequate supply of fair sized stones.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shocking footage emerges of Taliban stoning couple to death

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8287154/Shocking-footage-emerges-of-Taliban-stoning-couple-to-death.html

    Timbuktu, in Mali has been taken over by Islamists.

    Mali unwed couple ’stoned to death’

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/07/201273021254165201.html

    Ravi Reply:

    So now we have narrowed it down to Taliban.
    Yesterday, it was the entirr Islam Inventor of Barbaric Laws.
    Today Islam is Practioner of Barbaric laws
    Now we are at Taliban are Practioners of Barbaric Laws.
    Guys make your mind up, when you have come to me for a discussion meanwhile allow me to enjoy a Pint of London Pride.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just google stone to death and you will find numerous such incidents happening in many countries. Iran, Iraq, Afghanastan, Mali, Somalia and everywhere it is happening in the name of Islam.

    Ravi Reply:

    I have and found scant mention of any incidents other than by Al Qaeda and its associates. Far from the whole 1.4 Billion of Muslims.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is because your sharia has the approval of all the 1.75 billion Muslims and Sharia sanctions death by stoning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You jihadi fundoo,
    why do you refuse to understand that it cannot be narrowed down to your friends the Taliban?

    Once they come to power, it will be applied to all areas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shocking footage emerges of Taliban stoning couple to death

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8287154/Shocking-footage-emerges-of-Taliban-stoning-couple-to-death.html

    Timbuktu, in Mali has been taken over by Islamists.

    Mali unwed couple ’stoned to death’

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/07/201273021254165201.html

    Anonymous Reply:

    This fake knows it very well that it is being practised in Pakistan. The point is that he is springing to the defence of the jihadi fundoos.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The issue is about today. When we have see the relevence of human rights, of prisoner reform, of miscarriages of justice– How ca you justify Sharia by saying that such punishments were always the norm?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Not once I said that Sharia is relevant today. No one will be happier if the Islamic Schools of Jursiprudence were to dump Sharia. However, it remains a matter for them and not for outsiders to decide.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is not a matter for them alone. Muslims are 15% of India. SO should they have Sharia?

    Once a kid is born in such an atmosphere, he literally has no choice. At 15 a girl will be told that it is the age of marriage…as per Sharia. She would be old enough for marriage but too young to decide whether she can have further education.

    Ravi Reply:

    I think you are severly confused.

    Sharia applies to Muslims only.

    Where National Laws are not based on Sharia, such as the UK and India National Laws take precedence over Sharia.
    So the question of Muslims imposing Sharia on non-muslims is one of the fears propagated by the Hindu Fundos and other Islamophobes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    NO this is about Muslims applying regressive laws on fellow Muslims.

    for example a pick pockets hands were chopped some fifty years back. Today we look at prisoner reform.

    With Sharia we will not look behind handchopping.

    I have seen my own Mausi being divorced in ten minutes after her husband found a Goan girl. She got little compensation thanks to the personal law based on Sharia. She finally reconciled by agreeing to be the second wife lving at a distance.

    Proponents of Sharia will call this divine.

    Ravi Reply:

    And what is wrong with that so long as any punishment meted is not against the National Law.

    I keep repeating that National law takes precedence.

    Tell me did your mausi take the matter to a Court in India. Had she taken, your Mausa Ji would have to have followed the court’s orders or be subjected to contempt of court.

    The fact that she didn’t is because she and her family accept the jurisdiction of Sharia over their civil matters. It is a choice they made.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you remember Shah Bano case was almost similar to
    Pervez’s mausi case. Court ruled in favour of Shah Bano
    where compensation is concerned and rest is history.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shah Bano case is one case, not the entire law. Even that case was controversial for all the right reasons

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Look at this way, take the case of Pervez’s mausi. We can see that she was not treated fairly and you say that she should have approached the court. Will she and many women like her
    approach the court? When the elders of her community tell her that what her husband has done is just followed Quran,
    then do you really think that women in such situation will even
    think of going to court? Will they dare to challenge the holy
    book Quran?

    Ravi Reply:

    Pressure from elders is not restricted to Muslims Households only. Is it?

    Whilst Quarn may become the excuse for exploiting women in Mulsim housholds, women from other religions and community are invariably subjected to similar pressures under the guise of Sharm, Maryada, Caste, Khap, etc etc.

    May Indian women do not invoke courts for other very similar reasons.

    engrich Reply:

    her husband was giving her irs500/month as maintenance supreme court recommended 172/.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont think you are getting my point. When we are 15% there is a national law which is different from Sharia.

    In case the Sharia proponents see an opportunity, then in countries where Muslims are more than 70% Sharia can become the national law. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran,,,,Saudi,…

    Unless the state is specifically seperated from religious laws then only can there be a progress on human rights.

    Again this is not about Islam– which I hardly practice in the conventional way, but I do respect.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am with you on the point that Universal Human Rights is by far the best basis upon which Laws can be constructed.

    However, Totalitarian regimes are yet to accept these Universal Human Rights. Irrespective of the fact that some of these Totalitarian regimes are Religion based, such as Afghanistan/Iran/Saudi Arabia, or countries such as Russia/China/Burma/Venezuela/former East Germany.

    So if the SOLE reason for opposing Sharia is the fact it infringes Universal Human Rights then we need to widen our criticism to include other forms of totalitarian regimes. Not doing so indicates that Islamophobia is the principle reason.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about any muslim, like Pervez who is not happy with
    any regressive law which is being applied to his religion thn he should not voice his concern only because similar regressive laws are also being applied in other religions or other countries? Will you still call him Islam phobic?

    Ravi Reply:

    Without a shadow of doubt he should. Dissent is his fundamental right.

    I will not call him Islamophobic if he made an attempt to analyse the core of the issue. Such cores are often buried deep under the historical debris of religious doctrine and tradition. This would impart his arguments objective hue and he would realise that his religion is not the only one that is conservative and regressive, others are too.

    Such a response would be an academic rather than a devotional response. When he has made such an argument he would realise it himself and would walk an inch taller than his physical stature.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about any muslim, like Pervez who is not happy with
    any regressive law which is being applied to his religion thn he should not voice his concern only because similar regressive laws are also being applied in other religions or other countries? Will you still call him Islam phobic?

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about any muslim, like Pervez who is not happy with
    any regressive law which is being applied to his religion thn he should not voice his concern only because similar regressive laws are also being applied in other religions or other countries? Will you still call him Islam phobic?

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about any muslim, like Pervez who is not happy with
    any regressive law which is being applied to his religion thn he should not voice his concern only because similar regressive laws are also being applied in other religions or other countries? Will you still call him Islam phobic?

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about any muslim, like Pervez who is not happy with
    any regressive law which is being applied to his religion thn he should not voice his concern only because similar regressive laws are also being applied in other religions or other countries? Will you still call him Islam phobic?

    Anonymous Reply:

    In some parts of the world Sharia is applied to all irrespective
    of his/her religion.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is when it is a Muslim Majority country and most of those cases, as increasingly is the case with Pakistan; the National laws incorporate elements of Sharia. Chopping of hands even in these countries is not widely practiced.
    In the UK, Germany, etc it is not

    engrich Reply:

    can u tell me where

  • Anonymous

    21-year-old girl held for Facebook post questioning Mumbai’s ‘Bal Thackeray shutdown’

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/21-year-old-girl-held-for-Facebook-post-questioning-Mumbais-Bal-Thackeray-shutdown/articleshow/17276979.cms

    MUMBAI: Police on Sunday arrested a 21-year-old girl for questioning the total shutdown in the city for Bal Thackeray’s funeral on her Facebook account.

    Another girl who ‘liked’ the comment was also arrested.

    The duo were booked under Section 295 (a) of the IPC (for hurting religious sentiments ) and Section 64 (a) of the Information Technology Act, 2000. Though the girl withdrew her comment and apologized, a mob of some 2,000 Shiv Sena workers attacked and ransacked her uncle’s orthopaedic clinic at Palghar, north of Mumbai.

    The 21-year-old arrested for her Facebook post was among many who aired opinions on social networking sites.

    “Her comment said people like Thackeray are born and die daily and one should not observe a ‘bandh’ (city shutdown) for that,” Police Inspector Uttam Sonawane told the Mumbai Mirror.

    Despite widespread concerns, there were no reports of unrest in Mumbai itself on the day of Bal Thackeray’s crematon.,

    In recent months, the country has shown sensitivity to criticism of its politicians, sparking criticism in turn from freedom of speech campaigners.

    In September, campaigners were outraged by the arrest in Mumbai on charges of sedition of a cartoonist for his anti-corruption drawings. The charges were later dropped.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely shocking. The muscle power of lumpens does strange things to the police.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Absolutely despicable.

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  • pankaj#1

    All
    Read that Diggy Raja sent condolence message to Bal Thakrey’s family, expressing his sorrow for the loss of family before he actually died.
    Diggy Raja,
    Tum Mumbai chale to jaoge par wapas kaise aogey? Via Farukhhabad??

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  • Anonymous

    India wins a great victory in cricket because of its spin.

    Congress tries its best to win, but is worsted by its spin quartet.

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  • Anonymous

    SHARIA IS A OLD LAW WITH NO RELEVANCE TODAY:

    I have been following the discussion on Sharia on this and other blogs with interest. Frankly in my opinion this is no law. Just a set of ideas written in the Koran and it would be stupid, foolish and downright blunder to create penal codes and laws around these ideas.

    People like Engrich would like Sharia to be enforced as it would give rich males a dominant role in the society and a road to perpetual power,

    It is easy to say that in case Muslims want it, why not allow Sharia in.

    Well, having lived in the Mid East and having debated with many proponents of Sharia, here are my uncensored, HARAAM views.

    a) People in Meerut and Haryana will dump the Khap Panchayat in a decade, people in germany and England got over death by stoning a hundred years back, people in Japan no longer push failed executives ot suicide… but idiots who happen to be fellow Muslims will keep pushing Sharia as divine for the next 200 years. But I have hope that the women will rebel and give a resounding slap to the idiots who push Sharia… and to some of their sisters who despite suffering under it, stil push it.

    b) My cook believed that UP was bigger than Europe… so should we have written Geography books on his belief, just becasue he thought so?

    c) When you say muslims desire Sharia, so let them have it, then you are already succumbing to the forces of status quo.

    Now under Sharia, my sister who loved Micheal jackson would be punished for listening to haraam music… and this najcheez hung on a suli for Guzzling beer and dancing the night out.

    To put it simply laws based on convention GIVE NO CHOICE TO YOUNG, TO THE WEAK, TO THE DISPOSSESED.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pervez,

    A good post and agree with you that laws should be based on sound beliefs of human rights.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you! Sometimes it is easy to say all this on the net but maybe not so easy to say it in a family gathering!

    Anyway now can I tell Sonakshi that you out of competition?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am definitely out of competition. A 54 year old man stands no chance in front of a young intelligent man in his twenties.
    But, first you have to take permission from your sardarni girl friend.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Woh na milne wali ! So I drop out …

    engrich Reply:

    People like Engrich would like Sharia to be enforced as it would give rich males a dominant role in the society and a road to perpetual power
    no women was ever burnt alive in places where sharia is applied.while thousands of women are killed in india.islam is the only religion which provides women with right to divorce,property and choose her husband.with experience i am convinced that islamic laws are divine balance and correct.INDIA NEEDS SHARIA TO CORRECT ITSELF.dont awnser.

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    engrich Reply:

    chances of rich male coming up are more in capitalistic society than in islamic society.india is example.sharia laws are detterent.instead of keeping a petty thieve in jail for months,better to give him few lashes in public and release him to work.in case of murder also,blood money is more useful for family than to keep keep killer for years in jail.pakistan is not run on sharia but 85%of pakistani wants sharia.this is the last hope they have..

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    please congratulate this young Turk, who has come out with flying colors in this fiercely debated topic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you are hinting at me… then I am blushing!

    I just stated my beliefs. I would say that if Indian laws for Hindus were based on Manu smriti I wold be equally opposed. Laws have to be based on one man one vote. We all are equal.

    we all can follow our heart and desires as long as we dont hurt others.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes, it was you I was eluding to. Do not blush, learn to accept victories with grace.
    yes, manu smriti is as outdated as any other static religions. Religions are for guidance in larger context and are not straitjackets.

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  • Anonymous

    Watching Times Now where Rahul Nagrekar a Shiv Sena leader is claiming that
    his party never asked anyone to remain close at the death of Balasaab Thakrey.
    Everyone closed out of respect for the departed soul, he claimed.
    I have an outlet at Bhiwandi which opened on Saturday after 4 days of Diwali
    break. At around 6PM many Shiv Sainiks came and forced everyone in that area to close thir shops.

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  • vijay !

    @ pervez

    You need to address the next COngress chintan baithak…!

    Especially Sonia and Rahul G

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  • vin0059

    WOMEN ABUSE IN INDIA, THE US AND OTHER COUNTRIES..SHAME ON THEIR MEN!!

    The Statistics

    The reports and statistics we will mention are staggering enough but many
    attacks and abusive situations are never reported, leaving the numbers
    inconclusive and much worse than we think. Please take a serious look at the
    following incidents from the international fact sheet on gender violence,
    published by the UN Non-Governmental Agency, UNIFEM.

    INDIA
    It is estimated that more than 7,000 women in India will be murdered
    by their families and in-laws in disputes over dowries. 160,000 Nepalese women
    are held in India’s brothels. Discrimination against girls are so strong in the
    Punjab state of India that those aged 2 to 4 die at twice the rate of boys.
    Statistics from 2000 showed that on average a woman is raped every hour in
    India. This is a very conservative number due to the fact that victims are often
    reluctant to report rape. Why? In an open court victims must prove that the
    rapist sexually penetrated them in order to get a conviction. This can be
    especially damaging. After proving that she has been raped, a victim is often
    ostracized from her family and community. This problem is exacerbated by the
    fact that rape laws are inadequate and definitions so narrow that prosecution is
    made difficult. Protected by powerful lobbies, landlords and men in uniform
    continue to rape.

    USA
    While it has been said that here in America the rate for such heinous
    crimes has decreased in recent years, here’s what we know – About 1 in 3
    American women have been physically or sexually assaulted by a husband or
    boyfriend at some point in their lives. A woman is raped every 6 minutes,
    battered every 15 seconds. 683,000 women are raped each year, according to the
    National Women’s Study. This translates to 1 every 3 minutes, 78 per hour, 1,871
    per day. 9 out of 10 women murdered are killed by men; most are at the hands of
    a male partner. 10-14% of all married women in the US and at least 40% of
    battered wives have been raped by their husbands.

    ELSEWHERE
    More than 15,000 women have been sold into sexual slavery in
    China.

    Assassination of women in Bangladesh by their husbands accounts for 50% of
    all murders.

    In Papua, New Guinea, 67% of rural women and 56% of urban women have been
    victims of wife abuse.

    In the Maternity Hospital of Lima, Peru, 90% of young mothers aged 12 to 16
    have been raped by their father, stepfather or a close relative.

    A survey of women in Barbados revealed that nearly 1/3 has been sexually
    abused during childhood or adolescence.

    Every 1 1/2 minutes a woman is raped in South Africa, that’s approximately
    386,000 women each year. In North Africa, 6,000 women are genitally mutilated
    each day. Half of Kenya’s maternal mortality rate of 170 per 100,000 live births
    is due to circumcision’s infibulations and/or other harmful traditional
    practices.

    Among the Vietnamese boat people, 39% of women are abducted and raped while
    at sea. Again due to unreported incidents, this number is very likely
    underestimated.

    One study of 33 infibulated Somali women, all had to have extensive
    episiotomies (cutting) during childbirth, and their second stage labor was five
    times longer than normal; five of their babies died, and 21 suffered oxygen
    deprivation due to the long and obstructed labor.

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  • Anonymous

    Khushboo of Gujarat goes global

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/surat/Khushboo-of-Gujarat-goes-global/articleshow/17287844.cms

    SURAT: Khushboo Gujarat Ki is going global, literally! The colourful gerberas and Dutch roses nurtured on the state’s soil are soon set to dot the shelves of florists across the world.

    World’s largest floriculture firm, The Netherlands-based Hilverda Group, is entering Gujarat with an ambitious plan of cultivating and exporting these multihued flowers. Hilverda Group’s gerbera breeding firm Florist and the group’s Germany-based associate company Rosen Tantau that breeds roses – have tied up with a city-based floriculture company Exotica Earth to grow these flowers on 750 acres of land in south Gujarat and Saurashtra.
    —-

    Now no need for film producers to go to Holland for a picturization of a song,
    they can do it in our own Gujarat

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi, Mohan and Parvez,
    Fellas, wonderful debate. Sincerely appreciated the tone and tenor of debate.

    p.s. for Pankaj, Ashish, Mohan, Ravi et al (those discussing Bal Thackeray) : Will post sometime later on the topic. Currently, neck deep in work.

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  • chn

    What anguish at the plight of the Congress, Mr. Sharma, are you serious you are in the profession of journalism and not in Propoganda.

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