Munnabhai in real life too



For the first time since film star Sanjay Dutt was in trouble with the law, I did not feel sorry for the man as reports filtered in that he had been sentenced to five years’ imprisonment by the Supreme Court for the possession of illegal arms in a notified area during the 1993 Bombay blasts.

I think it was the manner in which he behaved badly with his sister Priya Dutt during his stint with the Samajwadi Party that emptied my heart of all the sympathy I had built up for Sunil Dutt’s son. Dutt Sr always believed that it was Sharad Pawar who had fixed his son because he himself had not supported the latter’s candidature for prime minister during the struggle in 1991 with PV Narasimha Rao. Dutt had sought to keep himself equidistant from both candidates and was convinced that that’s why even Rao had abandoned him in his hour of need. When Rao had to face the courts over some corruption charges against his own son, Dutt had told me, “Look at how he must now feel the pain of a father for his son, He never even bothered to console me when I was pining for my own son!

Pawar, on the other hand, hated Dutt for his fierce loyalty to the Nehru Gandhis – and more for the fact that no matter what he did, he could never manage to have Dutt defeated from his own constituency. It was Dutt Sr who made all the difference when he swept his own Lok Sabha seat in 1999 and five other assembly seats for the Congress. The Shiv Sena came in second at 71 seats to the Congress’s 76, thus giving the party an unexpected government in Maharashtra and handing a defeat to the saffron alliance then from which they have yet to recover.

So I went along with the belief that it was this politics that had made a victim of Sanjay Dutt. But it was not just Sanjay’s ambition to contest the Lok Sabha elections in 2009 that disillusioned me. In a rather ugly public spat with his sister, Sanjay shattered all the myths of the liberalism of his upbringing I might have had when he asked Priya to drop her maiden name because, according to him, she had forfeited her right to the Dutt family name once she was married – and he asked her to vacate her home in the same building as his – both apartments were granted to them (as to another sister, Narmrata) by their father after he had broken down his bungalow to construct some homes for the family, so that they could be independent and yet together. Priya stood by her brother despite all that, even breaking down in the Supreme Court when the verdict was announced but I thought that the sooner Sanjay Dutt serves his time and is done with it, the better it would be for all in the family – they could get ahead with their lives and put this sad episode of a wayward son in the family behind them.

Sanjay has somehow always had less powers of reasoning than his contemporaries and that is why he had been more in trouble than his friends all of who have played with guns and girls without quite burning their boats behind them.

The only other friend who has been as trouble I can think of is Salman Khan and yet he has not drawn the kind of `poor boy’ sympathy that Sanjay had over the years. I remember the kind of shock and disbelief the entire Dutt family suffered when they first came across what Sanjay had done. Over the years, I thought the father was reconciled to his wayward son when he said once to me, “ Once your children grow up, there is nothing you can do to make them fall in line, they should be held responsible for their own actions.’’

I thought he had tried out a lot by then and recalled what Bal Thackeray had once told me about Dutt Sr. “He is a hatta-katta Punjabi and so he is still standing on his feet. Had one of my sons done the same to me, I would have been dead by now.’’

That was not strictly true because some of Thackeray’s sons did give him as much trouble, though never so much as Sanjay did get on the wrong side of the law. Thackeray died of natural causes as did Sunil Dutt and it is just as well that the father is no longer around to suffer the ignominy of his son.

I remember years ago when I was on a padyatra as part of Dutt’s team, walking for nuclear disarmament between Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the father had wanted his son to join him halfway in Japan, it was the time before liberalization and Sanjay had already travelled abroad thrice that year and said he couldn’t come because he would get no foreign exchange.

After failing to persuade his son, Dutt turned around and said, “my children are so foolish, they do not even know there are ways of getting around these problems.’’

Someone there commented, ‘’ It is a good way to be foolish, you should be happy your son is not a crook.’’

I am still not sure that Sanjay Dutt was ever a crook. But, boy, was he ever so stupid and foolish! And soon that foolishness got the better of Munnabhai.

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  • Anonymous

    A good article by NY Times Jim Yardley on the wonderful mango season in India
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/04/world/asia/mango-season-has-india-in-thrall.html?smid=pl-share

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    manohar_T Reply:

    This year the prices of the King of Mangoes – the Alphonso – had sky rocketed (on account of exports) making it beyond the reach of average citizen. At the beginning of the season, they were priced as high as Rs 1600 to 2000 per dozen. Now that the season is coming to end, they are little more affordable. Other varieties were reasonably priced.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This is not fair, now you are accusing us NRI’s for the high price
    of mangoes. (: (: By the way last week my wife bought a dozen
    of Alphonso for DHs.30/- that is about Rs. 550/-About a month back
    the price was in the range of Dhs. 70/- to 80/-. in Rs. 1100 to 1250/-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    A mango fed by the hands of your loved one… cannot be measured by money….

    Even we accountants who tend to monetize everything call ti a day here…

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice article. Hot summers definately get the best mangoes.

    A rather sorry sidelight of this mango affair is the chemicals often used to ripe them faster.

    but it should not stop you from enjoying the king of fruits…

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Till now the UPA has just played a negative game of accusing and abusing fighters against corruption.

    It should acknowledge there is a problem and try to get a LokPal in. Their last strategy of trying to get Rahul Gandhi to hijack the Lok Pal fell flat. They could have instead consulted all the opposition parties got them on board.

    A lok Pal if it comes through Parliament has to be a COngress- BJP- JD- and entire Parliament achievement. Unnecessarily creating fiction that Sonia – Rahul_rajiv- Moti Lal- jawharLal — thought and dreamt of the Lok Pal gives COngress no credibility. Just speaks of the low IQ sycophancy of its leaders.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I would have thought that the reverse is true.

    The opposition has no credible policies and is entirely
    relying on negative tactics of keeping the public’s mind-scape completely and
    exclusively focused on scams (congress is not helping).

    This tactic will take them so far but no further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is the opposition’s mandate to focus on loot by rulers. Unfirtunately rather than projecting its positives, Congress had only one strategy– keep shouting BJP all the time, hoping that the public would be fooled.

    Ultimately they–the Congress– look like fools now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Who should focus on scams ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    The opposition but not to the exclusion of real policies

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    That means opposition has two jobs to do. One to focus on
    scams and another to work along with government on real
    policies. Why don’t you appreciate the fact that they are doing
    50% of the job to the perfection.

    Ravi Reply:

    So what.

    They are not doing a good job of even their own chosen 50%.

    They have a scatter gun approach and every-day there is a new scam.

    This electoral tactic is bound to fail, as the UP results have shown.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who said BJP is interested in winning. Have you forgotten
    Gopiji’s famous quote ” BJP works overtime to lose”.
    They are enjoying their role staying in opposition.

    Ravi Reply:

    BJP is hoping that Congress would loose rather than BJP will win.

    manohar_T Reply:

    “They are enjoying their role staying in opposition”.

    And they are making one hell of a royal mess. Agree?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mess is created by Congress. BJP sometimes help them
    to increase it a bit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    every-day there is a new scam….

    Must be opposition’s fault… Ravi, you are at your best today!!

    Ravi Reply:

    You said it.

    Scam as defined by the Opposition.

    Lets see you actually defining the Coalgate scam and who benefited from it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    It seems you met Pathak while you were staying at Delhi.
    You are also speaking the same language. Blame opposition
    and Anna for the mess created by the ruling government.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Coalgate is no scam. The coal blocks were allocated without auction for the benefit of the nation, so that power companies could keep the cost of production of electricity low. I am not being sarcastic here.

    The facts however do tell a story.No. of coal blocks allocated till 2004: 39Coal blocks allocated between 2005-09: 155
    And after there was an amendment in the MMDR (Mines and Minerals Development and Regulation) act in 2010 which recommended competitive bidding for the same, only one (yes, you are reading it right) coal block has been auctioned.

    If the CAG has sensed something fishy here, the reasons are far too obvious to ignore. And, I am sure you are aware that the Hon’ble PM headed the ministry of coal between 2006 and 2009.

    Ravi Reply:

    You could have fooled me.

    Anna and others in his team are describing it as a scam.

    The general point is that BJP is relying on scams as an electoral ploy and soon will be describing breathing as a scam.

    CAG has smelt something fishy, or has it been TOLD to make it fishy so that BJP circus can continue.

    manohar_T Reply:

    What I have read, the CAG is insisting that the coal blocks should have been auctioned from day one.

    Like the 2G case, I believe, the CAG is overstepping its mandate, it cannot dictate to the Government what route to adopt, citing presumptive losses.That is solely the prerogative of the Executive. Re 2G, the case against Raja is about allotting spectrum to the favoured few via dubious means and not the price part of it. The CAG must only look at whether the procedures were followed or not as per the policies in place at that point in time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Because of the opposition fault, Rahul Gandhi could so easily clinch the UP elections for the congress party!

  • http://twitter.com/kapsology kapsy

    LOL the political edition don’t know that CAG’s Coal Scam report was submitted to Finance Ministry on 11th May but seeing some serious allegations on PM Manmohan Singh, Govt delayed its tabling in parliament in budget session.

    Go and check your fact Mr. Vinod Sharma. You may be dreaming of getting a Rajya Sabha seat from congress in future but this is not way to achieve your dreams. Don’t fool people with paid news. People are more smart then u think they are.

    And last but not least..keep trying the salt water treatment..it will keep u relax and Calm. :D

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    manohar_T Reply:

    “People are more smart then u think they are”.

    But, you are not smart. Whatever is available in the public domain is supposed to be a draft report, which cannot be tabled. The final report has not yet been submitted to the President. Correct me if I am wrong with evidence.

    In the meantime check out

    http://saiindia.gov.in/english/home/Recent_Audit_Reports/Recent_Audit_Reports.html

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  • Anonymous

    Heading of the article says –

    Can UPA reclaim popular mind space?
    And more than half of the article is devoted to Team Anna and Baba Ramdev.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is what I was telling Vinod Sharma. UPA can claim mindspace by

    a) Sidelining Rahul and his sycophants like Digvijay Singh

    b) Highlighting positives.Unfortunately they are just doing more of their failed strategy.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Again I tell you – celebrate, forget sycophants and other shenanigans of the Congress Party. Happy days would here again for the BJP, only if they knew how to …………

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The BJP is singularly dumb in not using this opportunity to garner mass support which is there on the platter. It just has to project a United front, capable of handling the crises

    a) It should show that it has no dynastic succession history

    b) Should show that it is capable of taking fast decisions which benefit the people, unlike the paralysed Congress.

    c) It should remove all misgivings people have of being anti-muslim by getting more Muslim leadership. Najma heptullah, Arif mohammad khan, Abdul kalam are the sort of people Inida loves and BJP has good relations with them. Kalam off course is not in politics, but the other two can be its Muslim face

    manohar_T Reply:

    You should write a book

    “How to win elections for dummies” ;-)

    The reason they are not able to garner mass support is that for the last one year they have outsourced their battle to Team Anna, who started with a bang and ended in a whimper. Now they are busy getting Baba Ramdev and Arvind Kejriwal to be friends again, after being ‘kaTTi” yesterday.

    IMO, the Muslim faces you have mentioned are just plain tokenism. We rarely see them being fielded in public. Minority alienation is a problem which the BJP refuses to address.

    Here is a master stroke the BJP should have played. They should have made Najma Heptullah as the party’s president in place of Nitin Gadkari’s second term. What say?

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is too much. Discus needs an audit !

    Anonymous Reply:

    ditto ditto!

    Anonymous Reply:

    ditto

    Anonymous Reply:

    sorry duplicate comment … so weeded out!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Furthering the discussion on power plant and comparing L NG with coal. Well I was talking about the cost to the consumer. I as a power consumer am comfortable with the idea of power costing say Rs4 per unit in Delhi. Now if someone tries to bill me Rs 10 per unit by saying that this has been produced with LNG, i will howl with protest. In the Enron saga, the end cost of power should have been benchmarked to already available power in various states by the NTPC. The consumer’s purchase elasticity and acceptibilty would at maximum be 15% even if you put in clams of cleaner power.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Presidents of any party have to be one who have worked for it for 20 years (except in Congress)

    najma could well have been one of the general secretaries.

    manohar_T Reply:

    “Well Presidents of any party have to be one who have worked for it for 20 years (except in Congress)”

    But then I thought the BJP prided itself as party with a difference, so what is this 20 years barrier? You have to win elections, right. When the party can amend its constitution ( on the orders of Mohan Bhagwat) to allow for second term for Nitin Gadkari, they could have as well have changed any other rule (written or unwritten).

    She is already a Vice-President or a General Secretary, if I am not mistaken.

    kapsy Reply:

    This is the common idiotic display of paid media these days. Instead of asking questions to corrupts, they just try to divert the issue..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Baba Ramdev and Anna Hazare would continue the job of keeping the issue of corruption and black-money alive. Their one-day token protest fast yesterday in Delhi wasn’t particularly well-attended (I was there) but thanks to the 24×7 TV media, the message was sent all over the country. Being in Delhi, Mr. Sharma can’t take his eyes away from such events. And he is rightly worried about the future of the UPA – there is massive outrage against the incumbent govt. and the issue of price rise along with corruption could send them packing in coming elections.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Anna will keep on fighting but I am not sure of Baba Ramdev as he
    has his own empire to look after and save . Recently he got a notice
    by IT department to pay huge amount of tax. I don’t know how he
    is handling this issue, but he will keep on getting such shocks
    regularly if continues his fight for long time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinodji has also given broad hints that his empire is in Uttar Khand where now a congress regime is in place.

    manohar_T Reply:

    ‘Their one-day token protest fast yesterday in Delhi wasn’t particularly well-attended’.

    Next time tell them to hold token fasts at Eden Gardens and rope in Shah Rukh Khan and Mamata Bannerjee. The TV viewers would be mighty ‘impressed’ by the enormous crowds. ;-)

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  • Ravi

    CAG and Honesty!!!

    There has been a long standing tradition in India that Government Servants who do not like to be given a posting outside of Delhi employ all sorts of tactics to avoid accepting this posting. The tactics range from relative being severely ill, to approaching various politicians to “stay this posting”.

    Many politicians are all too ready to apply undue political pressure to either delay or even permanently cancel such postings. Once that happens then the Civil Servant is compromised and is subject to political manipulations.

    This happens in every Government Department but nowhere more so than in the CAG. This age old practice has severely compromised the honesty and efficacy of the CAG.

    Many of its reports contain political assertions which can only be understood within the context of Civil Servants paying back to the politician who has helped them stay in Delhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    This is really rather bizarre. Are you saying that the CAG was posted to Kota (hottest place in India) or Siachin (coldest) or Kolkatta (noisiest) that he is taking it out on the Congress.

    If Vinod Sharma were to use this on TV channels as an excuse for 2g ort coalgate…. then he would be sent to Kaal Paani by the HT!

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    Ravi Reply:

    I said nothing of the kind. You did.

    Mine is a general observation that many institutions in India, including CAG are severely compromised and lack any form of independence from political interference from ALL parties.

    The rest is a produce of you imagination.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well I read it again and that is the sense I am getting out of it.

    Ravi Reply:

    Then I suggest open your mind before you read it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I read it twice and it does comes out as you are trying to blame
    particularly CAG.
    First your heading says CAG and honesty and this sentence
    ” This happens in every Government Department but nowhere more so than in the CAG. This age old practice has severely compromised the honesty and efficacy of the CAG.”
    You have emphasized on CAG by writing NOWHERE MORE SO
    THAN IN CAG.

    Ravi Reply:

    I said Government Departments and Particularly CAG. Only because the subject of the Blog is.

    So do you dis-agree with me??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course I will disagree with you otherwise mujhe raat ko neend
    nahin aayegi. Earlier we disagreed on drinks also. I prefer
    whiskey but you enjoy drinking a pint of beer.

    manohar_T Reply:

    To agree on drinks at least, yaaro.n, dono ko mix karke pee lenaa, isme kaunsi baDi baat hai?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar, please note.

    I’d say no further.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    What he says is generally true, but I would not and cannot say about any particular officer, including the CAG. Perhaps Ravi has evidence re: certain officers, which he can post here. No general allegations across the board.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I made no specific accusation about any one individual, just the general way by which senior government officers become compromised in every department including the Audit Department

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    this fake Ravi thinks that whatever happens in Pakistan must be happening in India too. Understandable.

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    Ravi Reply:

    But it does. Including religious fundamentalism as practiced by you and your saffron terrorists.

  • vijay !

    =============================================================
    ~~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! BREAKING NEWS !! I AM ALIVE AGAIN !!!! ~~~~~~
    =============================================================

    Hi Guys…

    Friends , enemies and countrymen !!

    I am backkkkkkkkkkk

    Thanks for missing me….!! Really appreciate this!!

    Somebody once said that you know how many friends you have, by the number who land on your Obituary.!! I guess it was nice to know many who did miss me….

    I am still jet lagged, battle fatigued, and back in plus 40 deg Delhi… And I have a pile of reports to write.

    but I guess in a day or two i would be back to normal.

    PS: I may not be able to write back right now… but is nice to know that the blog is rolling ! :) :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome back Vijay !

    Nice to know that everything is fine with you. Yes, this blog could do with more enthusiastic voices like yours and rizwan’s

    The exclamation mark against your name is certainly great. we have had some gr8 discussions. join in!

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    vijay ! Reply:

    yes I would love to join the discussions , Vinoo as soon as I get back into one piece. But nice to be back again. Thanks for the welcome.!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Welcome back. Bhai mere batake ke jaya karo. There are some of
    your well wishers on this blog who got worried. Nice to see you back.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thanks Mohan !! I really missed those jokes.

    And somewehre on the flgght back… I thought I must tell Mohan that he is actually Birbal. Who can send a message through his jokes !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Thanks, but I am not worthy of such a big compliment.
    I stand no where in front of that great genius.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Cmon mohan

    In the eyes of all the bloggers out here… I am certian u r the modern day Birbal !

    Well Akbar’s time probably meant steel condoms… so they were no Condom jokes in his times. But a modern day birbal can of course have them!

    But more seriously, it was always nice to read a joke from u away from home…

    manohar_T Reply:

    Swaagatam

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thanks ! was touching to know that you were worried about my health.

    just proves that even if we spar on the site we can be gentlemen outside the field !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hardly. He wanted to make sure you are NOT going to come back soon.

    manohar_T Reply:

    There is only person, who I wish was not here and that is you. Is that understood once and for all? Now go back to your normal lime of duty – abuse and labeling.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The feeling is mutual. This blog doesn’t belong to you or your father. Stop trying to dictate who should do what. Now begin your pasting job which only you can do and do so clumsily.

    manohar_T Reply:

    You cannot read nor comprehend. I said – I wish and I did not say want. Get an English primer (if you know what it means) to know the meaning of wish and want. I know my place on this blog, its you who does not know. Apart form me, I know there are scores of others you ‘dream’ that they were not here, sorry we are not going to oblige. That you had to resort to abuse to drive home a point speaks volumes about you.

    I can at least do a job clumsily, you are incapable even of that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I would rather NOT do a job than do it clumsily, as you love to.
    Keep doing the clumsy job ever so clumsily since you love the clumsy cut& paste job.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I will much to annoy you only and continue to write long boring posts to annoy you further. I am not going to change my style just for your sake. Who you think you are? Whatever it is, keep it to yourself, we are not interested.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Again, the dislike and disinterestedness is mutual.
    As I said earlier, keep doing the clumsy cut-and-paste job ever more clumsily for all I care.

    Ravi Reply:

    This is rich coming from a man, who thinks that the blog is his.

    He led a campaign to oust Ram Autar and tried it with me as well.

    He is a liar and a megalomaniac.

    manohar_T Reply:

    All that and lot many negative qualities like demanding to know women’s private matters and aliments – only an uncivilised and uncouth person would do that. Are there no womenfolk in his household?

    Shaming him has no effect on him either – very thick skinned that he happens to be.

    Ravi Reply:

    I think he is a professional bloger.

    He receives a daily feed from his paymasters the RSS who tell him who to attack and what the attacking points are.

    The co-relation between what he says and the RSS/BJP daily agenda is perfect. He has no brain of his own.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But you receive doles too from the ISI.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A bar-maid, in Italy, who routinely got her bottom pinched and private parts groped, can also tell the people of India that she had breast cancer and the government sent her for a costly operation, which was available in India at one tenth of the cost.

    Anonymous Reply:

    First of all, Ram Autar, like Ravi, was a fake. Fakes deserve to be exposed. You too were almost driven out, most dishonourably, after you abused Balwinder’s wife and minor son, but for the fact, that Vinodji, the ever merciful blog master, if there ever was one, who let you off with a warning. Ram Autar, Tajender, engrich, fake Ravi, fake Manohar, all are fakes. No himmat, no manhood to come out with your real identity.

    manohar_T Reply:

    That you have tried to spoil Vijay’s welcome to the blog, speaks volumes about your character (rather lack of it).

    manohar_T Reply:

    Sorry Vijay, for the unpleasant exchange below, you very well know who started it.

    Of course, we are gentlemen. Our differences and fights start and end in the posts here itself. Not beyond.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice to have you back Vijay.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thanks ishwar ! Its gr8 to be back here again. Delhi of course is sizzling. I have been told that it crossed 45 for three days…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I am genuinely glad that you are back. I am sure our other friends too would feel the same way. Of course, there are always people who have “bagal mein choori, munh mein Ram, Ram”.

    Vijay Kumarji, Ram, Ram.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thx Shenoy !

    is gr8 to be back here… a blog is a cyber country… and certainly i miissed this homeland…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Welcome back!

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thanks Gopi !!

    Feels gr8 to be back here! thx for remembering me… I could scroll thru posts once a while and always did want to post back, but somehow with a schedule packed and decided by my partners @#$%^^^&** :) I really could not!

    Yes, thx again for the concern… you mentioned naukery, I think. Dont worry I only do naukery of God !

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Vinoo

    Regarding pricing of power, Coal – vs – LNG, etc.

    We have got used to getting things cheap (someone else is paying for it). Petrol, power, etc.

    1) Selling power cheap, the thefts(*) and politicians not paying huge outstanding bills to run their sugar factories and other industries, have ruined the State Electricity Boards.

    In Maharashtra, areas/villages/towns where there are no thefts, they are assured of at least 23 hours of supply per day. In others, where the thefts are rampant, they get much less proportionately, the logic is that they are going to steal it anyway and not pay, why supply? Now one may argue, why should the whole population should suffer on account of others. I suppose they are also taking measures to catch the thieves.

    2) People do not value and appreciate utilities / products which is given to them at artificially low prices and thus tend to be careless in its use and consumption. Petrol and diesel are other examples. The downstream effects of this extravagance needs no elaboration.

    Coal and crude are not going to last forever, therefore we need to be prudent in its use.

    3) Having got into the bad habit, we bring the world down when prices are increased – recent petrol price hike for instance. Sooner than later, we have to put a full stop to the subsidies. They should be only for the very poor, who try to eke out a living on the margins of the society and not for the top 10 to 20% of the population.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    agree

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well our culture is a scam. We have leaders who want to give for free what does not belong to them.

    On a visit to study teh power situation in Bihar in lalu’s time I was amazed to know that villagers were encouraged by the local Lalu MLA to sell the power mains cable. After the sale for the cable the RJD workers and the thieving villagers would share the spoils. And then live without power for a few months!.

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    Ravi Reply:

    In the UK there has been a spate of cable theft from the Railway network. Romanian immigrants are most often involved, though Irish tinkers are also active in this type of theft.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well in Bihar, the thieves were willing to live without power for 3 months till the cable was replaced and the villagers would generally know who the thief was as he and his group lived right in the village.

    Ravi Reply:

    I guess the need for money for them was greater than the need for power.

    Strange as that may seem to us, it is quite plausible.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I suppose the railway network cables must be some special types, there must be very restricted market for it. Who do they sell the stolen goods?

    Ravi Reply:

    They are very thick rubber coated cables, they sell them for scrap metal. Price of copper at present is very high.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar, Ravi, Vinoo,

    When will these things change ? More than 40 years ago when
    I was in school I used to hear about this theft of railway network
    cables in our small town. Is it really only the need for money?

    Ravi Reply:

    As far as the recent thefts of Railway cables in the UK is concerned, it has to do with the fact that Romania recently joined the EU and its citizens are now able to come to the UK to work. But with little or no skills and no command of the English language, they take to thieving to keep up with payments of rent/food etc. Dole is no longer enough to cover the basics.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t you think that these thefts continue even after the basics
    are met? Slowly the list of ‘basics’ keep increasing and along with this the size of thefts also keep on increasing.

    Ravi Reply:

    For some that may be true.

    Most get caught and are prosecuted, others having made some cash, run back to Romania to build themselves a house.

    They are then replaced by new-comers.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Money yes, I cannot think of any other reason.

    manohar_T Reply:

    In the earlier blogs, it has been pointed out that why blame the politicians alone. One they are one of us and they would be as honest or dishonest as a society as whole, though the more honest ones tend to keep off the murky world of politics. Two, when they promise us free or cheap, we back them to the hilt. Recent elections in UP, SP promised free electricity to the farmers and this must be one of the reasons, they got an absolute majority anf GoonDaa raj is back. Who pays on the behalf of the farmers? Jaya had promised a full lot of goodies at subsidised prices and got a thumping mandate. Today, she is in the capital to meet the PM and other Ministers, wanting more funds for her state – having spent a fortune on fulfilling her promises.

    Lalu was a disaster for this country and for Bihar in particular. In the last couple of elections, he has met his Waterloo and rightly so.

    They must be selling stolen cables back to the Electricity Boards. A good cycle of events.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jaya was not in the capital for goodies; but to discuss the plan outlays.
    Actually she had a dig at the commission, and the center after the meeting – as to the purpose of these ..

    She was basically pissed off because of 1) Centre not allocating money based on performance of the state and 2) the conditions attached to the meager support (I believe the centre funds only 2000Rs crores to TN out of the total spend of 22,000 Crores rupees).

    manohar_T Reply:

    The funds that are allotted to each state is decided by the Finance Commission – a constitutional committee of experts which has been appointed by the President, no politicians in it, unless the politician is an expert in his own right, but is very rare – so that there is no political bias. What she must be asking is extra other than what is guaranteed by this commission, just as Mamata has been demanding extra money and moratorium for three years for the loans already taken.

    The present chairman of the 13th Finance Commission is Dr. Vijay Kelkar and its recommendations are generally accepted by the Parliament without any changes.

    manohar_T Reply:

    She is asking for Rs 28000 crores for the current year. Last year it was 23000 crores. So she should get something between the two figures. The Planning Commission has X amount to give to all the states, so who gets how much has to be balanced by the Commission.

    manohar_T Reply:

    She was cribbing for not getting more than Rs 28000 crores.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar
    “CAG stepped out of its boundary. just like thy did in 2G Scam..”
    Let us assume they stepped out of their boundary. Are you of the opinion they cannot point out what would have been good for the country… if not them, who — the “Supreme parliament”???

    And about YSR/Jagan – I was busy yesterday and could not respond to you. Shouldn’t the in depth analysis of that be a numero ono responsibility of all news media .. It simply is not another massive crore corruption – It is the total submission of the whole administrative system, political system, media ssytem, and many other systems – The fact that it happened, a few individuals corralled the state’s (or states’ because there is a Karantaka equation here) water, land, minerals and other resources for themselves, potentially including some foreign individuals — means it will happen again, and it can happen at the PMO level too with a shrewd politician who does not care a hoot for the country – I even wonder whether YSR got killed (I am not going to shed any tears for that, and I will not blame anybody for killing him; they did a national honour! ) because the powers be knew that he is really crossing too many boundaries…,

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi

    No, they cannot dictate state policy. That is not their mandate.
    Point out what? What should have been and what should not have been, as if the Executive does not know. And Why? And how, quoting (difficult to digest) figures as presumptive loss. For a moment, we assume that they were auctioned and the companies did pay that extra money equal to presumptive loss. What next? As Ishwar pointed out, this money would indeed add up to the cost and would be recovered from the consumers, unless the same amount (equal to the presumptive loss) collected by the Government is given back to companies as a subsidy and the consumers are charged less, which they are being charged anyway now, minus the auctions and the subsidies that would be paid subsequently. One big vicious circle.

    It is a different matter that many people assume that money equal to presumptive loss was paid by the Companies under the table and was siphoned by the family and others in power. Nothing can be further from the truth. If it were so, 2G services wold not so cheap as they are today, because companies would be recovering the amount paid under the table.

    Take the case of 3G auctions, I believe 3G services are beyond the reach of ordinary people, being priced high. The Companies have to recover Rs 60000 crores in double quick time, as the newer spectrum 4G will be out in the near future and 3G will obsolete then. Then what do these companies will do, they will petition the Government to return the balance amount paid for the 3G spectrum.

    Utilities and assets that are meant for common good should not be auctioned. Some expert committee should fix a reasonable price and allot them by a lottery system.

    ==

    This Jagan Reddy episode is still to be played out. We will know what happens after the results of by-elections in 18 odd constituencies. If Jagan Reddy falls in line, then nothing may come out it.

    Similarly, I think, Baba Ramdev will have to fall in line, he has laready has partially(*), now that Congress is in power in Uttarkhand or else it would be hell for his business empire.

    * By not naming any one and talking in general terms and recall he took exception to Kejriwal taking names.

    We will wait an watch how things play out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, we are poles apart on these.. Your belief in the “executve” (and the assertion that nothing will happen if Jagan falls in line, or Ramdev falls in line) points to your trust!

    And why would you bring Ramdev in this? He is a private citizen; he should be dealt with if his money was illegal. All should be dealt with; not just him

    What YSR did was employing the state – IAS, lower levels, council of ministers – to take away what belonged to the state – not just rupees, but land, minerals, water…

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    manohar_T Reply:

    That is how the politicians play their little games. Take the case of Mayawati, as long as she plays ball with the UPA, the CBI slows down its investigations. otherwise by now she should have been behind bars.

    Ramdev. Does it make a difference whether he is a private citizen?. At the moment he does not seem to be one.

    In case of YSR, are you aware of any CAG reports on the issues listed by you – they surely must have investigated them? Perhaps Ishwar can throw light on it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Look at how many ministers have been arrested, and how many are in the range. How many IAS has been arrested and how many are in the range. Look at his (YSRs) party structure while he was in chair…

    I am not saying Congress high command did have a hand in all these. YSR did all these quite shrewdly. YSR made sure congress won assembly seats and parliamentary seats .Nobody bothered to look into where the money was coming from to defeat the opposition. .

    However, reading between the lines, it looks like that powers may be (including Mrs Gandhi) knew the level and extent of Andhra rape) after YSR death.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I said what would happen keeping in mind the way the political class works. If they are really investigating Jagan seriously and are not bothered about the political fallout, we must welcome it. Let us wait and watch.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    Ravi and I were discussing about people indulge in theft to meet their basic needs. I think that these needs later turns into
    need for luxuries like mobile, daaru, bike, car etc. This never stops and some of them end up becoming YSR.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This may be a SOuthern Honour Killing.

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  • Anonymous

    It is quite sad when MMS has to say “canards and falsehood are spread by disperate and desperate elements and the party should effectively tackle the misinformation”
    He could have easily said there was no foul play in coal allocation, or whatever are the issues and then said they are spreading canards.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    The whole atmosphere has become very vitiated. So one would see statements such as these from time to time.

    Isn’t the CBI been asked by the CVC to look into the coal allocation?

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  • Anonymous

    More on mangoes and a commentary to Jim Yardley’s write up I posted earlier –this time by the long time India correspondent of NY Times to India (before Yardley) – Heather Timmons;

    ” In Indian literature mangoes tend to be luminescent orbs dangling in steamy air, glistening with sweetness, sex and being itself, waiting to be plucked, caressed, birthed”, Randy Baygoda wrote last year reviewing Anita Desai’s “The Artists of Disappearance”….

    She also quotes from KaaliDasa “Sakuntalam” about mangoes… so also Kamdev’s use of mangoes in seduction.. these goras know so much!

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/04/mango-in-myth-and-literature/

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Binoy

    In the north– especially Punjab– there is a mango called “chausa.” The Mango has to be sucked as it is full of fibere and juice…

    I think India should market it to Goras as it will light their imagination and get us huge huge revenue!

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  • Anonymous

    NYTimes Dan Morrison interviewed BN Singh of Ranvir Sena three days before his murder.
    An in depth look (from his perspective) on Singh and Bihar politics.

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/04/a-final-interview-with-brahmeshwar-nath-singh/

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  • Anonymous

    Folks there is a very long weekend going on in UK , due to Queen’s Diamond Jubilee celebration. Massive number of people participated , OF INDIANS , SIKHS WERE AT THE FOREFRONT(they had a bhangra tune played for the royal flotiila on the thames and street party in birmingham.(Remember QUEEN ZINDABAD by the akali dal supporters when she visited amritsar) This totem worship by the english in particular and brits generally , reflects the state of the society.Like in islamic societies , religious fanatism rules the infantile minds , here a declining nation , where the retreat in knowledge and standing in the world has caused this regressive mindset, this hardened attitude, this throwback to a world that every other nation in the world had foresaken.
    This brings me to the question of the NATIONAL IDENTITY OF A INDIAN /HINDU.
    Every nation on earth has their national identity well defined, thus hindus cannot live ( LIKE NON HINDUS LIVE IN INDIA ) in pakistan , bangladesh , SRILANKA.
    WHY THE HINDUS NEVER DEVOLOPED A SENSE OF NATIONHOOD OR IDENTITY NATIONALITY. The raw sewage caste may be reason , for the caste system made sure there was NEVER A UNIFIED HINDU IDENTITY/CONSCIOUSNESS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan -
    I have been traveling here in the US for the last two weeks. I try to learn as much about the country/systems in each of my visit. This is the first time I am here during a Presidential campaign.

    I am amazed at how each party tries to package themselves as the most patriotic. I am amazed about the hoopla – flags, prayers, pledge of allegiance, “marching of the colours” etc – with even simple, silly functions. I am also amazed at the presence of flags everywhere, even in churches (and in front of mosques).

    I believe our problem (if there is a problem) is caused by our leaders, starting from Pandit Nehru, framers of constitution etc.

    The notion of a nation that was carefully crafted by Mahathma Gandhi got lost in the aftermath, when the leaders in the name of secularism, upsetting others tc, essentially divided Indians into minorities, tribes, languages etc with special rights.

    I am told the US constitution talks about Americans, their right to liberty, pursuit of happiness, and life. They do not talk about classes of Americans, including blacks who were slaves at that time. The immigrants who came later buy the idea of America and join armed forces and die for the idea of America.

    A wholesale change will have to happen in India, with new set of leaders who do not care about votes and vote blocks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How exactly do you want your countrymen to be projected?
    Sikh and Hindu and…?
    Or, Indian?
    You took extra pain to define Sikhs being at the forefront of the celebration, not Indians.

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  • Anonymous

    I wonder what drives people to still keep hope on this Govt and Arrogant Insane Communal and Corrupt party and its President Smt Sonia Gandhi (alias Ms Antonio Maino) and her bankrupt leadership, and continuing to support the loot , vindictive, vote bank politics in the name of Aam admi, Inclusiveness, Secularism and not being heard recently Social justice.
    Where do you think this Uncrowned Queen of India will be when a War is waged on our country? When we saw her going to New York for unknown medical treatment while the entire coutry was asking for Lokpal !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    She had got the Lokpal bill draft prepared at NAC under the leadership of Aruna Roy with active participation of Hegde, Kejriwal, Bhushans, long before Anna had heard about the word “Lokpal”.

    So when Anna was enjoying the arc light and giving the celebrity endorsements ( as a professional fasting athlet ) 51 times a day, she took time out for the treatment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good Joke. LoL

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A man doesn’t become updated with fact/news about Bharat/India just by keeping an alias “bharat 2012″. For that, he needs to read newspapers at least.

    Shenoy thinks I do not have a sense of humour. So for jokes, please turn to Mohan. He starts his day with a joke. Hope you will be around to enjoy his joke of the day.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Pathak
    You can enjoy your freedom of expression and I will enjoy mine and will also enjoy your attemts to provoke.
    You can continue to worship your leader with all secracies in democracy and in public life and will spend money and time to fly down across the globe and do not consider the All India Institure of Medical Sciences and other reputed medical facilities next door in Delhi are not good enough.

    So what is your leader telling Aam admi to do for their medical treatment?

    If she is the master of Lokpal why she does not speak about it in Parliament?

    Why her PM sits in Rajya Sabha whole day and does not bother to intervene and tell the nation thru the Temple of our democracy Parliament upper house as to what he is presenting and what he promised to the nation thru the sense of house resolution and letter to Shri Anna Hazare.

    If you think you do not have sense of humour great, just anwer the questions with facts of what your leaders said not anyone else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    News and the public discussion about the ailment of your favourite leader could be embarrassing and demeaning. So I would avoid that.

    Don’t get carried away by the internet trolls.

    Use your own discerning ability. If you enjoy serious discussions, you are always welcome.

    If you fancy fun through silly comments, then too you are welcome. Your first few comments will define your profile and you will always get response accordingly.

    Welcome and do stay with us on daily basis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You can respond to the public cause and national demand of Lokpal and what exactly Smt Sonia Gandhiji and Shri Man Mohan Singhji are doing? Why do they come up on the last day of every session of parliament and present a new argument to postpone?

    Irony is they chose Shri Abhishek Manu Singhvi as the Chairman of Parliament committee for drafting the lokpal. Who seem to have done more actions outside of meetings and no surprise over night he changes all key points that committee already discussed and agreed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When I hand you over an assignment today, I definitely have no idea that you would be caught with a female under a bush at Buddha jayanti park next week.

    People are dignified till the time they are not caught with a wrong act, like you or me.

    As far as Sonia’s role about Lokpal bill is concerned, she made a genuine attempt at NAC, like RTI. I personally believe that had Kejriwal continued to work with NAC, by now the parliament would have passed the bill as smoothly as it did with the RTI.

    The major issue was the members at NAC were against bringing the PM under Lokpal. Kejriwal &Co thought NAC members were trying to protect Rahul, the future PM.

    Then RSS pumped in ambition in Kejriwal to be on his own.

    The rest is known to public.

    When Anna first started the fasting in Delhi, Sonia made a public statement that NAC would stop developing the Lokpal bill draft to avoid any duplicity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Admire the private access you have to NAC and Smt Sonia Gandhi. She seem to have so much time to do what you are telling us she did, but she choses to show her respect to Parliament by not speaking her views.

    Ofcourse I understand your silence as to MMS is silent in rajya sabha because he has to follow the orders from madom at 10, Janpath !!

    You have to be a person in Telangana to understand the betrayal and mess Smt Sonia Gandhiji created by not hounouring the announcement made as gift on the eve of her birthday in Dec 2009 after taking votes of Telangana two times in 2004 and 2009.

    For everything Congressmen do not like there is only one source that is RSS ! This has been helping Congress unfortunately but now it is set to boorang as people have started to find our who is actually RSS.
    They are after all people of India and are only working for the good of this country so far nothing has been proved by congress inspite of having power in its hands almost all along !

    Real issue of Lokpal is not PM my dear nor your prince becoming one !
    It is simply because just as Yedyurappa paid the price almost all top leadership of all political parties and the lion shar will be that of congress will be behind bars if Lokpal and Lokayukta are created with Anti corruption wing of CBI under Lokpal and not under the Govt.

    While BJP is officially stating they support independence of CBI from Govt not sure if they really mean it, sounds more for public consumption.
    Ofcourse Congress is not in a position to stand for independence also.

    Finally Ramon Megasaysay would have been given to Smt Soniaji instead of Sri Arvind Kejriwal if what you think is true about RTI.
    We now know she is working very hard to make amendments to weaken it to protect the turf.

    Bharat ko bachane ke liye abhi Arvind, Anna and Kiran Bedi General VK Singh jaisa log hai. toda aasha abhi bhi bacha hai.

    Wickets of ND Tiwari, Abhishek Manu Singhvi, YSR, Kalmadi have already fallen.

    So did Raja, Kanimozhi, Maran and Karunanidhi from TN

    Swamy will not rest till he takes the wicket of PC and he is very well on to the course.

    Congress is scoring 2 self goals in AP with YS Jagan in Semmandhra and TRS and BJP in Telangana. It will be reduced to No 3 and 4 like in UP in both sub-states in state of AP for another 10 years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As far as Sonia and NAC, I can only say ” you are late to the party”.

    Note: Late night or early morning interactions are preferred if you are looking for any detailed reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    She might have avoided duplicity, but she herself became duplicitous.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    if one’s mind is in a happy frame, he can crack a joke occasionally without being witty by nature. Therefore, I wouldn’t have said that you do not have sense of humour. And I do believe that appreciating a good joke too is having sense of humour. In that sense, you, like me, do have sense of humour.

    As for Mohan, he has the rare gift to pick the right joke for the day, which usually makes our day.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay,
    Good morning and welcome back. Hope we will get to know your enriched experience of the last 2 weeks.

    How did you miss Mohan’s jokes, when you didn’t miss manohar or gopi’s comments? Usually Mohan starts his day with a joke.

    In your absence, Vinoo was inspired and doubly charged to fill the gap due to your absence. In an attempt to sound serious than you he forewarned us that he was a forensic accountant. His eagerness to mould himself in your pattern was not in congruence with his long experience in forensic accounting. The rhetoric overshadowed the rigour expected of him as a pro. Nevertheless his attempt to fill your position was laudable. Put your hands together to thank him.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    good morning Pathak G

    Nice to know that Vinoo has rubbed you wrongly it seems ! let me check out the sequence of comments in the last 2-3 bogs to find out ki kya hua… kaise hua,,, kab hua…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you couldn’t, how could he. He was only an inspirated proxy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo may be inspirated (by Vijay Kumar), but he gave you spirited replies and he is never disspirited.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course. I loved his spirit and he has my love and respect.

  • Anonymous

    Vinoo,

    Ever heard this slogan ?

    ” Gandhi ke desh mein computer ka kya kaam hai?”

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  • Anonymous

    AICC general secretary Ghulam Nabi Azad’s observations that Kadapa MP Y.S. Jagan
    Mohan Reddy could have become Union minister and later the CM if he stayed back
    in the Congress have landed him and the party in an embarrassing situation

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But, Ghulam Nabi Azad is right. What he didn’t say was when Jagan visited Sonia Gandhi with his mother, she was haughty, insolent and imperious. She literally threw him out, but not before he gave her a piece of his own mind.

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  • KMR Overseas

    This Vinod Sharma is also member of National Minority Commission (NMC) where his boss is corrupt-crook HT Sangliana who was then leading Christian missionary NewLife church in Karanataka.
    Newlife missionary caused communal disturbance in Karnataka with their publication of anti-Hindu literature Sathyadarshni.

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    Ravi Reply:

    What did the anti-Hindu literature actually say that is anti-Hindu??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sitting in Tora Bora, you have no idea what Sangliana and his New Life church have done in Karnataka to cause Hindu-Christian tension and disaffection.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sitting in BangLahore you frookhabadi terrorist don’t seem to know much about it either.

    Let’s see if you can lie about it as you lie about everything else.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Do not challenge this liar of liars to lie. He will. His first commandment ‘Thou shalt always speak untruths, lies, falsehoods and innuendos”.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to be happy you will wait forever
    But if you start to be happy you will be happy forever.

    Good morning friends.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Poker face PM makes a move
    Aditya Sinha

    http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_aditya-sinha-poker-face-pm-makes-a-move_1697397

    When people say the prime minister is apolitical, they usually mean he is weak at political management. This is a wide term and one of its critical functions is management of cabinet colleagues, all of whom are wily even if individually each has an IQ a fraction of P Chidambaram’s (actually, I have never measured his IQ, but surely it is stratospheric). Also, not all of them belong to the Congress party; and we all know what charlatans the regional MPs are. So the prime minister, instead of controlling these grown-ups or coaxing them into policy decisions or ensuring they keep their hands out of the till, pretty much leaves everybody to his or her own device. You can’t blame him; it isn’t something he ever did and it’s unlikely a septuagenarian like him was going to learn to deal with each and every character Indian polity has to offer.

    ==

    There has always been another aspect to political management, which is not directed at others but at Dr Manmohan Singh himself. It is not about leadership but about survival. In this he is not apolitical at all. Perhaps he learnt on the job; he definitely learnt a thing or two from his old boss and former prime minister, the late PV Narasimha Rao. PVNR not only pushed Manmohan Singh to liberalise the economy in 1991, he also taught him that politics is a game played very slowly, and in a way that allows others to do the work. With PVNR, for instance, taking no decision itself was a political decision; it was a way of playing things out to the last possible moment, where a decision that he might have originally wanted was the decision left standing after the others were eliminated. Inactivity was a political stratagem. It was exemplified by the silence PVNR showed during the six long hours it took for the demolition of what used to be the Babri Masjid, the event for which his tenure is most known (the Congress petulantly refuses to credit PVNR with the economy’s liberalisation, so we’ll have to wait a generation or two for history to give a more equitable judgment).

    ==

    DNA published a story yesterday that said the prime minister, in his last two years, wants to seize control of the economy from Pranab Mukherjee and secure his own legacy (he’s perhaps given up on a major breakthrough with Pakistan). Implicit in this is his desire to send Pranab to Rashtrapati Bhawan, a move that Sonia Gandhi is still uncomfortable with; thus the prime minister would have subtly demonstrated his preference in the coming presidential elections. His party chief will find herself with no choice but to nominate Mukherjee. If that happens, then you know that Manmohan Singh played his political cards deftly. PVNR would have been proud of his protégé.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This writer is saying the same thing what most of the bloggers have been
    saying since quite some time.

    (the Congress petulantly refuses to credit PVNR with the economy’s liberalisation, so we’ll have to wait a generation or two for history to give a more equitable judgment).

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Who told you to believe the Congress (or for that matter any other party) on whatever they say? I don’t. We all the know the reality.

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  • Robert George

    Thanks to Anna Team and Ramdev
    Baba the public has been awakened out of the stupor. Arguably, no politician would support the agitation,
    despite showing eagerness to fight this social malady. Which politician in his
    right mind wants to axe his own foot? The public should take cues from both
    leaders who have paved the way to make India free from the scourge.

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  • Anonymous

    Teacher: why did you laugh?
    Boy : I saw 1 strap of your bra.
    Teacher: Get out and you are suspended for one week.
    2nd boy laughed
    Teacher: now why did you laugh?
    Boy: I saw both the straps of your bra.
    Teacher: you also out from my class and are suspended for month.
    She bent down to take chalk, Papu started walking out.
    Teacher : why are you going out?
    Papu: After what I just saw, I think my school days are over.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are spoiling our professional lives.
    It’s so difficult to stay focussed on the work while continuously thinking about what’s today from Mohan!
    :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji, don’t blame Mohan.
    Be honest. You are not able to concentrate on your work because your mind is on what Pappu must have seen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha ha…

    Anonymous Reply:

    (: (:

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    RSS mouthpiece ****** pitch, bats for Narendra Modi as PM candidate

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/RSS-mouthpiece-******-pitch-bats-for-Narendra-Modi-as-PM-candidate/articleshow/13831191.cms

    Days after he was supposed to have been pulled up by BJP mouthpiece Kamal Sandesh for being a man in hurry, Narendra Modi received a shot in the arm with another Sangh Parivar publication, Organiser, saying that only the Gujarat CM has the potential to catapult the party to power single-handedly, just like Atal Bihari Vajpayee did in the 1990s.

    An article in the latest issue of the RSS’ mouthpiece in English describes the controversial CM as “by far the most popular leader in the country”, who as BJP’s mascot for 2014 parliamentary polls has the ability to expand the BJP’s appeal and vote base across the country much like Atal Bihari Vajpayee did in the 1990s.

    ==

    It also joins issue with the argument that Modi’s projection will scare away allies, channeling the view of the Hindutva hardliners in BJP that finding partners will not be a problem so long as the party is seen as a winning ticket. “The number of BJP allies grew between 1996 and 1999 principally because regional parties saw an accretion in their strength owing to the incremental role that Vajpayee had delivered to them. The same would work for the BJP at the helm,” it says.

    The timing of the article is also significant, coming just after RSS decided to mend its rift with the Gujarat CM by giving into his demand to remove his bete noire from BJP’s national executive. As part of the bargain, Modi has come out in the support of BJP chief Nitin Gadkari, who is widely seen as the RSS appointee.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Gadkari falls at Ramdev’s feet, BJP offers Baba a hand

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gadkari-falls-at-ramdevs-feet-bjp-offers-baba-a-hand/958015/

    Nitin Gadkari bent to touch the Baba’s feet as he arrived to meet the BJP chief. “Our culture tells us that when a man wearing saffron lothes visits you, you take his blessings. I feel proud that I took Ramdev Baba’s blessings. It is our culture. Those who don’t follow this culture may behave differently,” Gadkari said.

    ==

    Therefore let us all wear saffron clothes, go and meet him. Will he also take our blessings?

    Nitin Gadkari is sounding more and more like Rajnath Singh.

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    Ravi Reply:

    That would depend upon how large is your vote bank balance.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    What if Rahul Gandhi were to wear saffron clothes and goes to meet Nitin Gadkari?

    Ravi Reply:

    He would be deported to Sicily

    manohar_T Reply:

    Who? Nitin Gadkari!

    Ravi Reply:

    Nitin has a berth in Tihar Jail waiting for him. There is still the matter of body in the boot.

    The body of Yogita Thakre was found in the boot of a car parked at Gadkari’s Nagpur residence on May 19, 2009.

    Anonymous Reply:

    which will be home coming to him.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pity that Yogita Thakre will have no home coming.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree with the statement that ” only the Gujarat CM has the potential to catapult the party to power single-handedly,” and
    ” Modi is by far the most popular leader in the country”

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Good for you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Political alignments and formulations are like lines in the sand. Personally i do not think allies will be “scared” of a Modi leadership – we have seen this week that the more Jagan and his daddy’s raping of the land is made public, the more Congress MLAs desert congress and join YSR party, (and possibly more sympathy votes) .
    Instead of many things they work overtime not to win; they should focus on Modi with the best Madison avenue PR money can buy, and formulate forward.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Not sure upon what you base your contention.

    Modi has definitely divided the BJP and very probably has divided the RSS. Just as Golwalker did when he steered the RSS away form the principles set out by Hedgewar and Deoras was sidelined.

    I think there remains a lot of division which is still to be exposed. Advani was just the avant garde of such dissenting voices in the Sangh Parivar

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Not sure upon what you base your contention.

    Modi has definitely divided the BJP and very probably has divided the RSS. Just as Golwalker did when he steered the RSS away form the principles set out by Hedgewar and Deoras was sidelined.

    I think there remains a lot of division which is still to be exposed. Advani was just the avant garde of such dissenting voices in the Sangh Parivar

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Political alignments and formulations are like lines in the sand. Personally i do not think allies will be “scared” of a Modi leadership – we have seen this week that the more Jagan and his daddy’s raping of the land is made public, the more Congress MLAs desert congress and join YSR party, (and possibly more sympathy votes) .
    Instead of many things they work overtime not to win; they should focus on Modi with the best Madison avenue PR money can buy, and formulate forward.

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  • Anonymous

    Today’s papers are full of photos and news of Gadkari bending down to touch Baba Ramdev’s feet.

    Is it such a big event? Is it shameful for Gadkari? Or are newsmen wonder-struck that the much “slimmer and trimmer Gadkari” is able to bend, a miracle in itself?

    Congressmen and also women routinely used to touch Kamalapati Tripathi’s feet in greeting. He used to get angry when people forgot to touch his feet.

    Even the king of Bombay, S.K.Patil, once bent down and tied Nehru’s shoe laces, because Nehru himself was not aware the laces had loosened.

    Perhaps, is this a tradition exclusive for congressmen, which others cannot emulate?

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    Ravi Reply:

    What Genuine liars like YOU sitting in BangLahore do not appreciate is that if you believe in HINDU CHAUVANISM then perhaps this kind of gesture politics is normal. Particularly if you have no policies but instead have a lot of empty theatrical gestures.

    If you see Bhagwa as a Red Rag to a Secular Bull, then such
    gestures are a forecast to the establishment of a Hindu Pakistan in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Amidst all the rubbish you have written, the red rag is a genuine idea, and in reality, the secular bull will meet its destined death at the hands of the RSS bull-fighter.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dream on you frookhabadi lying toad.

    More like RSS BULL ******* will be rejected by the public for being a regressive, fundamentalist organisation.

    manohar_T Reply:

    1) By touching his feet, Nitin Gadkari has assured the BJP that one extra vote – Baba Ramdev’s.

    2) Gadkari’s support for Ramdev leaves BJP uneasy

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Gadkari-s-support-for-Ramdev-leaves-BJP-uneasy/Article1-866046.aspx

    Yoga guru Baba Ramdev met BJP chief Nitin Gadari to seek support for his campaign against black money and corruption on Monday. Gadkari not only pledged his party’s support but created a flutter within the party when he touched Ramdev’s feet, saying it was a mark of respect and he saw nothing wrong seeking his “blessings”.

    But, not everyone in the party is comfortable with this proximity to Ramdev, whose financial dealings and aides are under scrutiny for alleged misappropriation of funds. In August last year, Gadkari had ruffled several feathers in the party, when he had declared that the “BJP would stand behind Anna Hazare”. Subsequently, many senior BJP leaders had aired their differences with Team Anna on the Lokpal issue.

    ==

    Good luck, BJP. With a party president like Gadkari, it will need loads of luck.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gadkari obviously does not consider SCAMS as being a harmful pathogen in the body politic.

    Having rehabilitated a SCAM tainted politician just before the UP elections, he is now doing the same to a charlatan God Man Ramdev.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Baba Ramdev has the added advantage with Nitin Gadkari, as he wears saffron clothes. If one wears saffron clothes translates into ’saat gunaah maaf’.

    Ravi Reply:

    Is that why Modi, in recent days has been seen with Pale Bhagwa Jackets over white clothes.

    Which of his gunaahs is he seeking maafi for?

    manohar_T Reply:

    ab yaar, ginti matt karaao, yahaa.n ek baDaa bawaal mach jaaye gaa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have heard a different version about people who wear saffron.
    They are considered as Anti Muslims, Anti Christians, non secular – a full fledged communal – enemy of India.

    Ravi Reply:

    You heard it correctly

    manohar_T Reply:

    Only those who have been indoctrinated by the RSS’ brand of religion – Hindutvataa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How come Modi has no idea about this aspect of Hindu culture that Gadhakari was trying tell the world.

    I thought Gadhakari said ” hey no-black money baba! Please direct-help me and my party come to power in 2014!”

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    manohar_T Reply:

    abhi to chhoTe sardaar ke naam is jaane jaate hai.n and chhoTe logon ko bahoot kuchh pataa nahi.n hotaa.

    abhi abhi dono ke beech mei.n sulah hui hai. Gadkari sab kuchh seekhaa degaa chhoTe sardaar ko. Phir dekhnaa, baDe miaa.n ko.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As I said, this tradition of touching the feet of big leaders is an exclusive tradition of the congressies.

    Any wise-crack on Kamalapati TripathiG and S.K.PatilG?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Or, bharatiya culture hasn’t really reached Modi yet!>

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is quite common that people touch the feet of elderly, as well as political/positional leaders, religious authorities, “spiritual” gurus etc..
    I fail to see what is “news” in Gadkari touching Ramdev’s feet, unless the probable one vote addition to BJP is a Indiawide news.
    Marxist party is exploding in kerala, I have not seen any coverage other than a column by TJS George in the Indian Express.
    The story of the wholesale rape of Andhra (possibly including Karnataka ) is covered in the one line news about the disproportionate asset accumulation inquiry.
    The story of the killing of BN Singh of Ranvir Sena – how the feudals will regroup, retaliate etc – has not found much print space.

    The list is endless. However, it is their (??) money and they have the freedom to put whatever news.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Open sangam of Ramdev, BJP and Anna is much bigger news. It has national ramification.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I hear that the sangam between Ramdev and Anna was short lived. The two decided to part company amid promises of supporting each other.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What would make you happy – when they come together or when they fight independently?

    Ravi Reply:

    What would make me happy is that:

    Ramdev sticks to his godly activities.

    Anna to join politics ( I don’t mind which party) and participate in the Parliamentary Politics of the country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    What is wrong if Baba Ramdev is giving support to BJP.?
    We have seen leaders from all the political parties visitng
    heads of Dera Sacha sauda, Radha soami and likewise.
    Are you naive enough to believe that they only go for their blessings.
    Here on the contrary Baba Ramdev is openly supporting BJP
    which according to me is appreciable.

    Ravi Reply:

    Precisely my point. I will object to all such combinations – including those involving the Congress.

    Religion and Politics is an incendiary concoction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Meeting of three is sangam that is why meeting of two failed.
    Now the storm of this Sangam of Anna, Baba and BJP will ruin
    all the chances of UPA coming back to power

    Ravi Reply:

    Just as well that there is no tax on dreaming.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes there is no tax on dreaming and this applies to all of us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Team Anna – Running an anti-corruption campaign.
    Baba Ramdev – Teaches Yoga and now fighting to bring back
    back black money stashed outside of India.
    BJP : A national political party.

    What is wrong in this sangam.?

    Ravi Reply:

    If you do not see anything wrong then there is no point, pointing it out to you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nothing wrong. They must say they are one and they have been one from the day one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are Mulayam Singh Yadav and Congress one?

    Anonymous Reply:

    They are not any different from any other political party.
    Congress claims to be secular and joins hands with PDF,
    hand cutting party in South.

    Anonymous Reply:

    First time you admitted that Ramdev and Anna are too political parties.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress says BJP is communal; and they will never have any alliance with communal parties; but they have been in bed with muslim league in kerala for the last 35 years, the loyalty goes so far that they overlooked the terrorists being bred there under the “protective” cover of Muslim League (I will not ascribe terrorism to Muslim League, however, many use their cover of democracy to do terrorist activities) — so much so that even Anthony visited Madani when Madni was in Coimbatore jail in connection with the Coimbatore blasts!

    Ravi Reply:

    There is no doubt that the BJP is communal.

    Why congress will not deal with it.

    Just a few reminders for you – forgetful Gopi.

    Ajmer Dargah Blast

    Samjhauta Express bombing

    Malegaon blasts

    Mecca Masjid bombing

    Gujarat Riots

    ETC. ETC

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Has any court given their verdict on any of the above you have
    mentioned?

    Anonymous Reply:

    none of these has anything to do with BJP…whereas Muslim League was responsible for the partition of the country (of course Kerala ML since renounced that).

    Ravi Reply:

    That is your opinion and not held by many others.

    BJP is an integral part of the Sangh Parivar and in wider sense of the Hindu Right Wing.

    The issue is and has always been that you are very aware of what the Muslim League does but are blind to similar violence perpetrated by the various Sangh outfits.

    manohar_T Reply:

    After all he is supposed to be an ‘honorary’ Brahmin. That is why? Christianity and Islam are of no concern to him.

    Ravi Reply:

    You said it.

    manohar_T Reply:

    As a Christian, he has been labeled as a dishonest soul sans scruples, by his dear friend here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I find congress more dangerous because they follow communal
    policies in disguise of secularism and sadly many sensible
    people fall for their false propaganda.

    Ravi Reply:

    You confuse positive discrimination with communalism. You are not alone.

    People may fall for false propaganda, but that is not true of analysts and historians. Most of those castigate the RSS/BJP as a communal organisations.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Positive discrimination ? Bhai mere seedhe saadhe simple words use karein.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Team Anna – Running an anti-corruption campaign.
    Baba Ramdev – Teaches Yoga and now fighting to bring back
    back black money stashed outside of India.
    BJP : A national political party.

    What is wrong in this sangam.?

  • Ravi

    RANT OF A GENUINE SAFFRON TERRORIST – B V SHENOY

    First of all, Ram Autar, like Ravi, was a fake. Fakes deserve to
    be exposed. You too were almost driven out, most dishonourably, after you
    abused Balwinder’s wife and minor son, but for the fact, that Vinodji, the ever
    merciful blog master, if there ever was one, who let you off with a warning.
    Ram Autar, Tajender, engrich, fake Ravi, fake Manohar, all are fakes. No
    himmat, no manhood to come out with your real identity.

    The reality is that this frookhabadi lying toad is a Hindu Chauvinist who wants to rule this blog. He decides who is FAKE and who is a Genuine Fundo just like him. Vinay told him the Vinay was not his real name. That did not stop this spent Aam ki Khudli form carrying out a campaign against those whose views he does not agree with.

    In India ruled by Hindu Terrorists like him, dissenting voices will be hanged.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know that?
    Did Hindu terrorists rule India ever? Did they hang dissenters? Last time I checked the books, the hanging and killing were done by Mogul Muslim rulers, and prior to them the Muslim Lodis and the Musulim khilgies and the Muslim Nadir Shahs.
    And close to home for me it was the Muslim terrorist king Tipu Sultan who hanged — for the first and only time in Indian history he hanged Christians also.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Wait and see what Saffron Terrorists will do.

    B V Shenoy’s conduct here is a good predictor.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We will wait for few thousand years.

    Ravi Reply:

    Have patience. BVS has recently become hyperactive and Vijay is back. Regime change is not as far as you may think.

    Ravi Reply:

    Wait and see what Saffron Terrorists will do.

    B V Shenoy’s conduct here is a good predictor.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Mohan,

    this fake is beside himself with rage. Rage because nobody takes him seriously. Even his Pakistani terror links and adopting fake identities are being joked about.

    For long, He ridiculed Mohan Bhagwat calling him walrus mustache etc.
    And when he puts up his own beautiful mug shot, Lo, and Behold! This fake Ravi himself is sporting a walrus mustache!
    If you want to imitate Bhagwat, go join the RSS.

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    Ravi Reply:

    The truth is increasingly even those who used to no longer take you seriously.

    Have you noticed not many jump to your rants even when the invitation is clearly spelt out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know that?
    Did Hindu terrorists rule India ever? Did they hang dissenters? Last time I checked the books, the hanging and killing were done by Mogul Muslim rulers, and prior to them the Muslim Lodis and the Musulim khilgies and the Muslim Nadir Shahs.
    And close to home for me it was the Muslim terrorist king Tipu Sultan who hanged — for the first and only time in Indian history he hanged Christians also.

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  • Anonymous

    Tradition of touching feet is being following in India since thousands of year.
    Every morning I touch my wife’s feet– ooops I should not have revealed this.
    This bloody daaru, last night’s has still not worn off. Guys please ignore
    what I just said.

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    Ravi Reply:

    If only you had stuck to beer, you’d been kissing her feet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    This is my style of saying that unnecessarily you all are reading
    too much in this feet touching incident. You will find this practice
    in every home. I humbly invite everybody to my house and I promise
    you that both of my sons will touch your feet. This is what my wife
    and I have taught them which we learned from our parents.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s what I was wondering….how come nobody taught this bharatiya sabhyata to Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is not married, whose feet he will touch every morning ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    I am surprised you didn’t see Modi’s photo touching the feet of Swami Balgangadharnath Swamiji in Bangalore last week.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No. I didn’t.

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure I agree.

    Ramdev is supposed to be apolitical, yoga teacher. In my view him closely allying himself with the BJP will damage his brand. His campaign for bringing back the Black Money has now achieved a party political stamp, assuming it behind the scenes already didn’t have it.

    Ravi Reply:

    If only you had stuck to beer, you’d been kissing her feet.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Do not worry. We won’t tell anyone else. It will remain a secret with us.;-)
    .

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You must have wrongly imagined you are your wife and your wife is Mohan.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even after all this there is no appreciation from my wife.

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  • Anonymous

    Tradition of touching feet is being following in India since thousands of year.
    Every morning I touch my wife’s feet– ooops I should not have revealed this.
    This bloody daaru, last night’s has still not worn off. Guys please ignore
    what I just said.

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  • Anonymous

    A new “first family” in the making?
    Congress has decided not to field any candidate against Dimple, the beautiful wife of Akhilesh.

    “Fair coloured” Dimple can easily replace the country’s prevailing fair coloured bahu, if SP can maintain their 2012 strength in 2014.
    Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi was not one with naked ambition with a motive of family preservation when she started.
    Maulayam’s ambition knows no limits….
    Let us see whether the Lucknow family will encircle the Delhi (?) family

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Congress with not fight with SP. They need SP for presidential and
    general elections.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You make is sound as if that is a crime of the century.

    Dosen’t BJP do the same with its allies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I never said that. This is simple opportunism which every
    political party indulges in. BJP getting support from Baba
    Ramdev is also that because they think that this will get
    them votes. It is nothing to do with your Hinduvata.

    Ravi Reply:

    Is it not. Why the Bhagwa garb then.

    Can yoga not be done in normal clothes, as it is almost everywhere other than in India.

    It is very much a part of the Hindutva concoction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, your problem is Ramdev’s Bhagwa garb!!

    It tells something about your ’self-proclaimed’ liberal views.

    What if he starts wearing ‘green’ tomorrow? Would the govt. work overtime to get the black money that has been stashed abroad back?

    Ravi Reply:

    Green/Bhagwa to me they are religious symbols and I am dead against them.

    The rest you are free to think what you like, and I don’t give a damn.

    For Black Money to come back from abroad, the first thing to do is to empty Bank Lockers at home which are jam packed with Black Money. Once economic conditions for a fully white economy become the norm in India, the black money will come back/out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    This is where we strongly differ. – Let me once again say that
    I do not have any problem with your views but I do not agree -.
    According to you anyone wearing saffron is a former/current/future terrorist. Congress aligning with communal
    party is opportunism and if BJP does the same you will brand
    them as communal.

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure what you are saying here. Heat of you anger precedes your message. What are you accusing me off. Try again and I will retort

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I am not at all angry. In fact I was thinking about posting a joke.
    You said why Baba wears safron and teaches yoga. My reply
    was in connection to that. He is wearing saffron only because
    he will attract more disciples. It has nothing to do with any
    extreme kind of Hinuvatta. It is just pure business.

    Ravi Reply:

    Baba can wear what colour he likes. Yoga is part of how the Hinduatvadi’s define Hinduism. My point was that he is an important element of Hinduatva and I believe that he is. Him being a business does not rule the Hindutava out.

    There are many many many many yoga teachers in India. Almost one in every colony, most of them do not wear Bhagwa.

    Wearing of Bhagwa in religious context is no issue. Wearing Bhagwa in Political Context is nothing but provocation in a multi ethnic/multi-cultural/multi faith country such as India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    ” There are many many many many yoga teachers in India. Almost one in every colony, most of them do not wear Bhagwa.”

    How many of these yoga teachers we know.? In my view Baba
    Ramdev is very intelligent in this case. He knows how to
    run a flourishing profitable business. You, as usual are reading
    too much in his wearing saffron.

    Ravi Reply:

    Bhagwa is his brand colour an integral part of his brand image.

    If he is a business then he has just sold his customer database to the BJP – hopefully for money.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    ” If he is a business then he has just sold his customer database to the BJP -” Though I do not agree but I liked your reply.
    If I get a chance will use this in reverse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Swami Vivekananda preached Adhyatma and meaning of upanishads as also vedas, always wearing saffron clothes. Some others, like Dr.Radhakrishnan did it by wearing suits. What is your gripe, then?

    Ravi Reply:

    My gripe is that you frookhabadi idiot do not read. What little you do read, you frookhabadi do not understand.

    I said Bhagwa in religious context is no issues. Bhagwa in the Political context is a provocation in our multiethnic, multir-religion, etc country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Twist, more twists and uncomfortable twists and then more gripe. Finally, vomit of abuse. Dick-heads like you can do only this.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Why are you describing your own behaviour, you dick head? Rest of us know that is precisely what you do.

    Ravi Reply:

    Bollocks

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    please be clear about this fake’s real intentions. His agenda on this blog is to run down Hindutva and yoga is the unique gift to the world developed by Hindus. It is this he is attacking.

    Ravi Reply:

    How right you are. I have no compunction in admitting that given any or all opportunities I will run down Hindutva. To me it is a cancer in our society.

    As far as Yoga is concerned, I am ambidextrous about it.

  • Anonymous

    Where is Rizwan.. Pervez..

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar had said that Abhishek Manu Singhvi’s b–w job was a non issue and he won’t like to give it any importance. However, Gadkari touching the feet of Baba Ramdev must be a big deal – he is visibly excited!!

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    manohar_T Reply:

    You make a issue of it. I will make issue out of others. Everyone gets to discuss everything.

    It is not the question of touching anyone’s feet. It was that ‘colourful’ justification, as to why he did that.

    Yaar, baat ko samjhaa karo.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let’s blame the media for hyping a non-issue and forget about it.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    In due course, we will forget about it and move on to new topics. See that one explanation has caused so much debate.

    Ask yourself, if this Baba had gone to his residence in non-saffron coloured clothes, then Gadkari would not have touched his feet. Hence, a message may have gone to the world, if anyone wants Gadkari’s support, wear saffron. Anna, Arvind and Kiran – are you all listening?

    BTW: We have had enough frauds in this country masquerading as Babas (wearing saffron) and Fakirs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, we had more politician masquerader “do gooders” than saffron frauds.

    manohar_T Reply:

    That does not justify the ‘holy’ charlatans taking advantage of gullibility and religious sensibilities of the common people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We have had plenty of suit wearing Benny Hinns too.

    manohar_T Reply:

    No one asked you to describe yourself. We know you inside out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This congressi troll doesn’t even know the difference between bending to touch somebody’s feet and falling at somebody’s feet.
    He, by natural inclination swallows whatever the servile media dishes up things for people just like him.

    manohar_T Reply:

    As for you, you do not even know the difference between any two things, so steeped you are in peddling lies, falsehoods, untruths and innuendos. Liar ho to tumhaare jaisaa, RSS must be proud.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    private secrets and public postures. It is common to all congressi trolls. This one is no different.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Pathak, Gopi, Mahesh, Ravi, Mohan, Ishwar, Vinoo, Vijay

    Today is World Environment Day. The following news item should be made note of.

    132 power units to turn Vidarbha into environmental graveyard

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/132-power-units-to-turn-Vidarbha-into-environmental-graveyard/articleshow/13828703.cms

    Even as the city gears up to celebrate World Environment Day on Tuesday, here is a stark reality! Nearly 132 power plants are proposed to come up in Vidarbha. This does not include eight plants where work is already in progress and another three which are at the commissioning stage. If the proposals are accepted, together the proposed plants would produce 86,407MW and turn the region into an environmental graveyard.

    Ironically, Vidarbha has always been power surplus region and by 2014 Maharashtra too is expected to become a power surplus state. It is clear that the new power plants won’t cater to the state but only other parts of the country. Production is already on in six plants in Vidarbha.

    ==

    According to power officials, Maharashtra (excluding Mumbai) requires 16,500MW to fulfil its requirement. The power availability is between 14,500MW and 15,000MW. Thus, to completely avoid load shedding, the state needs between 1,500MW and 2,000MW. The MSEDCL officials have gone on record to say that they can easily arrange for this additional power but due to high losses in certain areas load shedding is being enforced there.

    It also implies that the state is virtually load-shedding free. The units that are slated to start generation in the coming months should completely take care of the state’s needs. The units are: Bhusawal – 1,000MW, Chandrapur – 1,000MW, Koradi – 1,980MW, Paras – 1500MW, Mouda – 150MW (state share), Tiroda – 1,320MW. In addition, power plants at Nandgaonpeth (Amravati), Butibori, Warora and Mihan will cater to some industries in the state, which will reduce MSEDCL’s demand.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    We need power. It should be produced without damaging the environment.
    Is Vidarbha region an “environmentally rich” place, with rare plants and eco sysetms?

    Actually it may not be a bad idea to have the “polluters” (assuming these plants are polluters) in one place and cater to the country if it could be, rather than spreading it all across and destroying everywhere

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Yes, we need power, but we should show some concern for the environment. Of course, they will be rare fauna and flora in Vidarbha, every part of the world has it. There are also some wild life parks in the region.

    I waiting for a more detailed report about the environmental impact.
    These are all coal fired plants – hence how does one dispose of the ash and where?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think this is a pretty good idea. Ideally power plants could well be located at the coal pit so that the pollution is localized and coal transport costs saved. Some effort has gone into this.

    However with states normally at loggerheads with each other, over water, few want to risk their plants to be in other states.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    We need to accept that there is a huge power requirement in this country.

    When we talk about power losses, and power theft, we forget that this power is also being consumed and at the wend of the day the requirement is still there. The trick is probably to create power production units which are environmentally friendly. What can these be?

    Solar, wind or sea(tidal power) ? India can well use this as an opportunity to augment through non conventional sources. But at the end of the day we must remember that the consumer is willing to pay this much and not a paisa more for power.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Solar, Wind and Tidal power – yes. If you ask me, even Nuclear power.

    As we discussed yesterday – coal and crude are not going to last forever.

    As for the consumer, I think the time has come for him to get ready to pay for what he consumes. Let us stop being parasites on our own assets and resources. Prudence is the need of the hour.

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  • Anonymous

    Millions of people all across the world fall at the feet of Mata Amritanandamayi, a white sari clad “spiritual” woman from kerala. Born into a fishermen family, with an incomplete high school education, without any “handlers” in the beginning, she now has millions of followers all over he world. The local newspapers had a report that by now she has hugged almost 70 million people. (She is also known as hugging mother/hugging saint)

    People all over the world, including Dr MMS and Sonia have fallen to Her feet.

    People will continue to fall at Her feet whether she wears pink, or green, or saffron.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi and Mohan

    Here the question is not of falling at the feet of a person.

    The whole debate is about the explanation offered by the President of the Bharatiya Janta Party, as to why he did it. There was no need for him to give one or should have just said he respects Baba Ramdev and would have still done so, even if the Baba had gone wearing ’salwaar kameez’.

    Some years ago, when another Baba (closely associated with the BJP) was arrested, Rajnath Singh on his own gave him a clean chit saying anyone who wears saffron cannot be a criminal. When queried as to how does he know, he replied ‘yeh meraa vishwaas hai’. Actually,he should have saud ‘ yeh meraa andh vishwaas hai’

    Let the whole country wear saffron, then we would be as clean as the snow and would be very busy touching each other’s feet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    some men in khaki police uniform do bad things – staged encounters, tortures.. some men in military uniform do bad things..Some men in priest outfit do real bad things (child sex abuse all across the catholic church).. some (may be many) Mullahs do bad things like exhorting youngsters to jehad..

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    manohar_T Reply:

    That is all very well and we condemn any wrong doing, but that is not what we are discussing here. Please reread my post again. Tje message is ‘wear saffron and win over the RSS and the BJP’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Listen – I am not a fan of Gadkari ..I do believe political leaders (for that matter all leaders) should have charisma. This man has negative charisma.

    But if we list 1) him falling on somebody’s feet and 2) that somebody has worn saffron and 3) he did not provide a good explanation as major issues, while ignoring the rape of AP, or the Vidarbha power issue (I m glad you brought it up), or whether the series of children deaths in Kolkotta hospitals have been investigated and corrected, or why after sixty years we still have power shortage, or why some muslim youngsters, of all the place in India , from Kerala go to fight in Kashmir etc etc …then we deserve the govt and leaders that we have now..

    manohar_T Reply:

    I am sure we have discussed the issues you have mentioned as and when they occurred, we cannot go on discussing them over and over again. Today the flavour of the day is Gadkari and Baba Ramdev. Tomorrow, it will be something else.

    I keep raising other issues like the power generation problems in Vidarbha and we do have lively discussions. Hopefully, you, others and me will raise other issues later tonight and we will discuss it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the problem..
    Two months ago there were several reports on an unusual number of children deaths in kolkotta hosital/s.
    – dit it get fixed?
    There was another report of a fancy hospital (in Kolkotta) getting engulfed in fire and many patients dying (because sprinklers were shut off etc)…Are all the hospitals (at least the fancy ones) have been ‘certified”?
    - Are Muslim youngsters still going to Kashmir from kerala ??

    And we say parlaiment/assembly is supreme…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    That is the problem. We the public have very short memory of
    any event. Politicians are aware of this and they exploit this
    fact to their advantage. This is where media also is to be blamed
    because they never bring up old unsolved issues – except where Modi is concerned – to the limelight.

    Anonymous Reply:

    you are right– I rate media in our country worse, far worse than politicians and bureaucrats

    manohar_T Reply:

    Poor Modi.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi and Mohan

    There are so many things we as a nation allow them to drift, doing nothing about it.

    In spite of it, yes, the legislatures are supreme. Your solution, army rule a la Pakistan and firing squad are not the alternatives.

    Here we can only discuss and perhaps do something about some problem in our neighbourhood.

  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak G

    Aap ko gussa kyon aata hai?

    I was just giving you a factual analysis that Rajiv Gandhi can hardly be called the father of modern day Indian economic growth story and you have accused me of all sort of things and even lacking personal and professional integrity.

    Very strange. I will make a list point wise and in case you can rebut it, fine. If you cannot do so in a public place as it clashes with your stance on this blog, then mull over the facts and figures and dont get down to personal accusations. You may have reasons to be enamoured of Rajiv Gandhi, but many dispassionate observers will just rank him as a guy who tried to modernise the corrupt and socialist COngress, but fell into the trap of the Congress past.

    I am not saying that BJP caused this change, even though they carried it forward pretty well. It was purely a PV Narasmiha Rao, Manmohan SIngh and IMF… IMF… IMF stor4y which made Indians discover their entrepreneurial past.

    Here is a factual list again

    In 1989 when Rajiv Ji died

    a) Indian yealry exports were I think about 15 billion dollars. Today they are about 300 billion dollars

    b) In 1989, India’s software exports were MERELY 200 million dollars. Today they are 65 billion dollars.

    The huge change happened in 1991. So let us not write false history COngress seva dal style and try to give credit to the Gandhis.

    Rajiv’s own tentative steps at de-regulating were flip flops.

    a) The 1985 and 1986 VP Singh budgets were about de- licencing

    However Rajiv unleashed his third rate brigade of Arjun Singh, KK Tewari, etc when VP started probing Bofors. Then Rajiv went back to socialism and regulation.

    b) Rajiv’s own 1987 budget was a bore, a oxymoron.

    c) Nobody remembers SB CHavan and his two budgets of 1988 and 1989. Did he cause this free enterprise to happen?

    So in case you want to believe the COngress seva Dal stories that it was Ravji Rajiv Rajiv all the way. So be it.

    But I would want my daughter to know the truth of history. WHICH NEEDS TO BE FORENSICALLY ANALYSED AND DIAGNOSED AS PATHOLIGISTS DO

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Forensic analysis is getting to the facts with data and case history. Not about emotion and personal likes and dislikes

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody called Rajiv Gandhi father of modern day economic growth.You only gave him the taj and then try to dispute it.

    This is like a circular trading. Sad your forensic audit expertise is of no use.
    Rajiv was rather the architect of modern youthful India.

    Before I proceed further, have you heard of a slogan – ” Gandhiji ke desh mein Computer ka kya kaam hai?”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your word smithy stands you in good stead.
    So many different words, same meaning.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what do you mean by ‘he was rather the architect of modern youthful India’ -

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are good with history. Why don’t you profile India since 1977?

    gopi_thomas Reply:

    I could not figure out — as far as I know there was no transformational legacy..
    However, the country had a lot of aspirational expectations on him, a young smiling face of India..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, i am at a loss.

    I know, as a young smiling face of India, people had aspirational expectations on him.

    However, i am not aware of any transformational legacy..bringing in Petroda and fixing telecom was a good thing

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Turf war in Modi’s Gujarat? Sanjay Joshi’s posters displayed in Ahmedabad

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Turf-war-in-Modis-Gujarat-Sanjay-Joshis-posters-displayed-in-Ahmedabad/articleshow/13844338.cms

    In signs of growing dissent within the BJP, hoardings supporting party leader Sanjay Joshi have came up at various places in the city, targeting Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi ahead of the state elections scheduled in December this year.

    The hoardings and posters with Joshi’s pictures say, “Chote man se koi bada nahi hota, tute man se koi bada nahi hota (nobody becomes big with a narrow mind)”. It goes on to say “kaho dil se… Sanjay Joshi phir se (Say with all your heart, Sanjay Joshi once again)”.

    ==

    Read on

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, UPA has given BJP a “gift wrapped” situation; they sure will spoil it again!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    There are some member of BJP in Gujarat who are turning against Modi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Good news, good news, good news

    With Patels having a second thought about Modi, internal factionalism within Gujarat BJP, how sure are we of Modi winning the coming state elections.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    The reason of some members turning against Modi is that he is
    not allowing them to steal. Now elections around the corner, these members think that Modi will need them and they are trying to show their strength. Interesting times ahead in Gujarat, would love to see how Modi counters them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like Modi is the only honest ( not taking bribe money) person n BJP!

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is the only honest leader within both congress and the BJP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi knows how to handle Patels. Just few days back
    Keshubai Patel had organized a rally against Modi.. It turned out to be a damp squid. No big leader of Patel community attended the rally. Against the expected crowd of 50000 only
    2000 were seen at the rally ground.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And out of those two thousand 1800 wqere sent by Modi himself to keep a watch on the other 200.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Surprising thing is why it took ten years for them to turn against Modi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Better late than never. देर आये दरुस्त आये, पर आये तो सही

    Anonymous Reply:

    If friends took 10 years to turn against him, the victims will take not more than 3-4 more years….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are the victims still alive?
    If we are to believe the Teesta Gang and the secular brigade, all the victims perished in the riots or in the courts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ask me after few years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    According to likes of Teestas these victims who died were in millions hence they label Gujarat riots to genocide.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean just as B V Shenoy calls the Sikh riots as an anti-Sikh pogroms.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi came so far without a father, mother, mentor handing the chair over to him. His capital is the goodwill of the citizenry. He is not corrupt; he does not have to keep his seat warm for his children..
    He will find his true North.
    India will do well under his leadership.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is ruthless. He is bad for d:-) emocracy.
    His ruthlessness is of that a mafia leader. People mistake it as arrogance.

    Ask a good psychologist to study his eyes and jaw movements in negative situation. Then you will know what I mean.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The people who are good for democracy are the ones who tear apart a particuar party’s manifesto and then invite the head of same party to share the top table in their party function and give a walk-over to their candidate in by-polls… :-)

    Kamal karte ho aap bhi PathakG.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    That was good one.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I wish the BJP learns a thing or two from the Congress, being a B-Team anyway. The last gesture is the clincher and all will be forgotten.

    If the beti-in-law wins, then didi-in-Kolkatta is going to get the jitters, she must have already..

    ‘real politics kaa khel aisaa khelaa jaataa hai’ and not by touching someone’s feet and then justifying it in terms of colourful clothing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If he is bad for our kind of democracy as is being practised, then it is good for India. You can consult a psychologist or an astrologer for all it is worth. But, if it is in his stars, he will become the prime minister. And with Sonia Gandhi as the party’s leader, why do get scared of any mafia leader?

    Ravi Reply:

    Mass murder was also in his stars…he has realised that….who knows if Prison is also in his stars……let’s hope so

    manohar_T Reply:

    Ravi, now wait watch the retort. 1984 with an original lie that Rajiv Gandhi personally ordered the massacre of 5000 Sikhs, blah, blah, blah from the original liar (and the only one) here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar
    the fact remains more people weer murdered in 1984; and most of it was targeted by one party apparatus. Rajiv , while may not have had any hand in that, did declare “these things are natural when a big tree falls (or something like that)

    Murderers have become leaders in many states; may be Modi may be the first for India at a central level..or is it? I do not think so

    manohar_T Reply:

    You are trivialising tragic events by comparing the number of deaths (I am not surprised, it is a question of Modi for you).

    Both times it was a crime against humanity. Those who did nothing to nip them in the bud need to condemned in the strongest possible words.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why do you always act as a runner for Ravi?

    It’s no longer allowed by the ICC. If he is good enough to bat, he is good enough to run and shouldn’t need your help :-)

    manohar_T Reply:

    I am on a different mission. I know he is capable of knocking the hell out of the resident liar on his own.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    Learn to read and understand before you start taking sides. I am quite capable of fending for myself.

    BTW why do you feel the necessity of running for your guru the Saffron Terrorist B V Shenoy.

    manohar_T Reply:

    It is a question of a missing mirror.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Please come up with something new, this mass murderer and comparing him with Hitler has become very old now.

    Ravi Reply:

    As has the stuff you peddle – he is the best man for India and that he is a iron man, he can handle Patels, etc.

    Haven’t heard much NEW from you either.

    Anonymous Reply:

    To get the latest, start following him on Twitter :-)

    Ravi Reply:

    I have got better things to do with my life than to follow a crypto fascist on twitter.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Right, why would a genuine-fake bother about a crypto-whatever?

    Ravi Reply:

    Indeed why? See how quickly you learn uncritically from your Saffron Fundo Guru. You have as much originality as a fresh road kill

    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi and Patel. I don’t remember mentioning both together
    before. This was first time that is also because you brought
    it up.

    Ravi Reply:

    Are you complaining about my leadership in extending the scope of the thread. Am I peddling old news or expanding it!!!;)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ruthless is another term which media has invented for him.
    Yes, he is ruthless for the people who try to loot Gujarat.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Modi came so far without a father, mother, mentor handing the chair over to him.

    Is that a reason that he should become the Prime Minister?

    Tell me another.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Amen.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Mohan

    It is bad for Modi, if he has to fight on several fronts simultaneously. Most of these fronts are within his own fortress and that is the problem. We have to wait and watch how things pan out.

    The ‘naaTak’ in the National Executive was totally uncalled for and showed him in a bad light, though it was also seen as ‘Modi is the boss’. A good boss is supposed to carry all the rest with him.

    He will still win in Gujarat in December, but at the national level he will need all the help, he cannot be everywhere all the time. Making enemies among his own is just not in the script.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    RSS/BJP calling Modi a “narrow minded person”?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    even the *****-footed, effeminate Navin Patnaik crushed the revolt within his empire in a quick, surgical operation.

    If Modi wanted, he would have dealt with the Keshu Bhais so effortlessly. I think he enjoys the cat and mouse game with his detractors, so that our secular media goes into fits of paroxysms. These people would do well to remember the very recent hand shake Sanjay Joshi got from Modi.

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  • Anonymous

    a little known history…
    venus slides between earth and sun today. This is a rare occurrence; has been recorded only six times before..

    Apparently, in 1761, French Astronomer Guillaune le Gentl wanted to observe/record this in Pondicherry; British would not let him land.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/opinion/learning-from-celestial-beauty.html?smid=pl-share

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Binoy and others

    Here is an Indian angle.

    Missed tryst with transiting Venus. Had it not been for the Anglo-French war and a cloudy sky, astronomical history might have been made in 18th century Pondicherry. But Kodaikanal can lay claim to some part of it.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3490594.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpts

    In the 18th century, one such event almost helped India create history. In March 1760, French astronomer, Guillaume Joseph Hyacinthe Jean-Baptiste Le Gentil de la Galaisière or simply Guillaume Le Gentil set sail for Pondicherry on a unique mission: to study the Venus transit of June 6, 1761.

    ==

    But sadly for Le Gentil, Europe was at war between 1756 and 1763. Collectively called the Seven Years’ War, these conflicts between the British and the bourbons of France and Spain; and the Prussians and Austrians, affected not just Europe, but also its colonies. In India, conflicts broke out around the French colonies in Chandranagore in West Bengal, and Pondicherry, in the south.

    The war in the south is better known as the Third Carnatic War. Irish
    Commander Sir Eyre Coote took charge of the British forces in Madras, and led his army to victory in the Battle of Wandiwash in January 1760. The French army under Comte de Lally retreated to Pondicherry. Sir Coote besieged the settlement, and refused to relent until de Lally surrendered in January 1761, a few months before the transit.

    Le Gentil was already well on his way to India when Pondicherry fell, and in spite of his many attempts to make it to the Coromandel coast, he was forced to retreat to Mauritius. On June 6, 1761, when Venus transited, Le Gentil was at sea, and his rocking vessel confounded his observations though the skies were clear. Incidentally, Lomonosov’s observations were marred by optical illusions and the astronomical unit remained elusive.
    ==

    Missed again

    But Venus was set to transit again in June 1769, and Le Gentil waited in Madagascar for the war to come to an end. In 1763, the British and the French signed the treaty of Paris, and the French regained control of Pondicherry. Le Gentil arrived at Pondicherry in 1768, and waited eagerly for the event. But as his misfortune would have it, cloudy skies blanketed the southern coast of India, destroying any chance of timing the entire event.

    ==

    By a strange turn of destiny, William Petrie, a civil servant for the East India Company, brought one of Cook’s clocks to the Madras Observatory in the late 18th century. This instrument which helped create history now stands — and still ticks — at the Kodaikanal Solar Observatory.

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  • Anonymous

    Incredible India…

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/planning-commission-toilets-renovated-at-rs-35-lakh/264464-3.html

    Planning Commission, which is mired in a controversy over what constitutes the
    poverty line, has spent a whopping Rs 35 lakh for renovation of two toilets in
    New Delhi, an RTI reply has revealed.

    =============
    By the way, who heads the Planning Commission?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    If it so, the money should be recovered from the members of the Planning Commission.Period,

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    lagtaa hai aaj BJP kaa baDaa din hai.
    ==

    Shah Commission starts hearing corruption charges against Modi
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/shah-commission-starts-hearing-corruption-charges-against-modi/958101/0

    The inquiry commission set up by the Gujarat government to probe charges of corruption levelled by Opposition parties against Chief Minister Narendra Modi began its hearing yesterday.

    Retired Supreme Court Judge M B Shah is the chairman of the one-member Commission appointed by the state government on August 17, 2011.

    Making its case against Modi, People’s Union for Civic Liberties demanded that the state government should furnish details about the land given to various industrial houses and also sought to know whether rules were followed while allotting the plots.

    ==

    The Commission has also to study the manner in which land had been
    allocated to industry and analyse all tax concessions given vis-à-vis other states with Gujarat.

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    Ravi Reply:

    For a nano second I read Corruption as Cooperation. Then I saw Modi’s name and relaxed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ manohar

    The more people hit out at Modi, the stronger he will become. This is what I have learnt in corporate world. All companies which focused on negative news about opponents lost the plot.

    Remember Advani in 2009, trying to focus on portraying MMS as weak?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is that why the BJP tactic has been to never ever ever ever talk about policies, only attack the government with negativism about corruption.

    Has BJP lost the plot then? Assuming it ever had grasp of the plot

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    manohar_T Reply:

    ‘The more people hit out at Modi, the stronger he will become’.

    Good for you. No issues.

    I just posted the news item without any comment. For all you know, there may not be any hanky-panky. Let the Commission do its work and wait for its findings.

    Unless someone is proved guilty in a proper constitutional forum, I will not assume a person is guilty, pass snide remarks and make insinuations – how they are looting the country, blah, blah, blah.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is another angle to it.

    The Commission, set up in November last year, was to submit its report by March this year, but it term was extended by the government to complete the inquiry.

    Interestingly, the opposition Congress had made hue and cry about the corruption by the ruling BJP government, but it did not turn up to submit evidences or none of its leaders showed willingness to depose before the commission.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Good for Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Did I not tell you that because of the elections around the in Gujarat, we will keep on hearing such news. These are just whispers , by December we will
    see media shouting from all the corners of India blaming Modi for
    almost everything under the sun. The fun has started, enjoy while it lasts.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I will. This is politics

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is a wet Chinese cracker. The commission will clear Modi in a ziffy before the election.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathak

    What makes you think that, instead of it being a water contaminated diva that splutters and splatters for a while before it self extinguishes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :-)

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  • Anonymous

    Puncturing a few more lies. :

    There is a strange behavior of most COngress people. Give credit to Sonia or Rajiv or Rahul for everything which happens in India. In the most strange case NDTV, an out and out Congress supporting channel tried to give the credit of India’s world cup victory to Rahul.

    Dumb Congress people all over India must have actually believed that this is the truth. Or maybe they are not dumb, but pretend to be so to get favours from the High command by praising Rahul and Rajiv and Sonia sky high.

    Just as I have exposed the lies about Rajiv Gandhi being the father of Indian economic boom, let me use forensic analysis to puncture the so called lies about Sonia gandhi being the mother of modern day India. This is again a big lie which sycophants pedle for personal gain and getting marks in the eyes of the COngress high command.

    Sonia is the Congress president. How can she actually influence policy? Well she can advise the PM to take certain steps she deems right and good for India.

    But hold it… Have we ever heard her say anything on policy without reading a sheet of paper? Well is there anything suggest that she understands economic policy and administration as her cheerleaders keep shouting out?

    NO not at all.

    Manmohan and Montek guide her. they advised her to head a body called NAC. The NAC is a recommendary body paid by the government of India. It is like giving credit to Sonia Gandhi by nominating her to the planning commission or to the National minority council and then saying all … all of us are here because of divine mother and mataji… !

    The NAC has some fine people like MS Swaminathan and some not so fine people who play the Congress drum. Most are bureaucrats.

    it is their ideas which come forward. Some ideas are good and some are bad. All governments have such bodies.

    Not sonia’s as chamchas and sycophants want us to believe. She is there as a non speaking chairperson….

    But then the spin and stories will make you believe that it is all her all the way.

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  • Anonymous

    Now, our courts are helping the Muslims on their way to …

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/muslim-girl-can-marry-at-15-if-she-attains-puberty-hc/20120605.htm

    Muslim girl can marry at 15 if she attains puberty: HC

    One nation, two laws – I am not complaining!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    What is your point, is that about two laws?

    How did you miss the Anand Karaj Act passed only last month. Did the BJP oppose it, considering that they are allied in The Punjab with equally communal party the Akali dal.

    What is the legal age of marriage in Rajasthan and what do you believe still happen in rural Rajasthan, Guajrat and MP.

    Some Home Truths

    Small child brides in India

    Child marriage is a common practice in many countries around the world, however it is especially prevalent in India, where more than one third of all child brides live. [1] According to UNICEF, 47% of girls are married by 18 years of age, and 18% are married by 15 years of age. [2] These marriages are often performed without the consent of the girls involved in the marriage. Indian law has made child marriage illegal, but it is still widely practiced across the nation. The highest rates are seen particularly in the rural states of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh. [3] It affects both boys and girls, but statistics show that girls are far more likely to be forced into a child marriage than boys; however the percentage of girls forced into child marriage in India has declined in recent years. Many consider child marriage to be a human rights violation, resulting in death, health problems, poverty, violence, and lack of education.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The law is 18 years age in Rajastan and MP and everywhere else in India under the Hindu marriage act, to which all except Muslims and Christians fall under. Christian marriage age is 18 under their church rules, and hence not in conflict with the country’s desired objective of preventing legal marriages before the girl is 18.

    Iswar’s question is quite valid .. It is bad to have two sets of law, especially a regressive one for an already backward group.
    Anand Kajal act did not have anything to do with any age relaxation; it was just a separate registration under “Sikh marriage act” instead of grouping them under Hindu marriage act.

    Now nehru wanted all to come under one ‘act”, he thought he will start with Hindus to bring them under one act; but could not succeed the opposition of MUSLIMS to bring them under the Hindu act– may eb he should have called it indian act.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Why is it bad to have two (or Three) sets of Laws.

    Since when has nay one taken any notice of any law in India.

    Anand Karaj Act may not have anything to do with AGE, but it acknowledges that the SIKHs are a separate community to be governed under a separate law. I quoted it because it no longer is TWO Personal Laws but THREE.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Ishwar,

    Whether one likes it or not but it is a fact that In India we have personal laws based on religion. Religion based will give
    us different set of laws. BJP used to talk of Uniform civil code
    but when in power they did not bother to do anything about it.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is because in a country which is multi-religion/multi culture and multi ethnic, construction of a uniform civil code that is acceptable to everyone is not an easy task.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Anand Marriage Act passed by the parliament doesn’t legalise under-age marriage. It is only aimed at registration on Sikh marriages under their own act now. Their marriages had been getting registered as per the Hindu Marriage Act so far. I see nothing wrong here.

    In rural Rajasthan, Gujarat. MP etc., there may be instances of child-marriages, but the govt. doesn’t legalise them.

    If the muslims want to get married at 15 and the courts let them, I have no problems. You get what you ask for!!

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    manohar_T Reply:

    What is under-age? It depends upon society to society and from religion to religion.

    For example, in Australia the legal age for both males and females is 18 years, in Hindu Marriage Act it is 21 and 18 years respectively. Therefore, according to you, is there something wrong with the Australian law?

    “If the muslims want to get married at 15 and the courts let them, I have no problems. You get what you ask for!!”

    If you mean it and I will take it at face value, great.

    Ravi Reply:

    Until comparatively recently legal marriage age for girls in the UK was 12. This changed – in steps – over a period of time. Legal age for leaving school is 16 in the UK, but different elsewhere. What the school leaving age is depends upon the local society.

    So I am not sure what your point is. This Muslim marriage is legal because a judge has ruled so.

    Many child marriages in India – that take place on daily basis – are illegal, but they still take place.

    They may not be legally sanctioned, but they are socially and religiously sanctioned, because a priest presides over these child marriages.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Muslim marriage is legal because a judge has ruled so, in a same way Modi is innocent because no judge has found him guilty.

    Ravi Reply:

    YET

  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    Nice to know that you acknowledge that Rajiv gandhi has little to with current day modern economic reform which happened after his death.

    I acknowledge that he created some interest in computers in the youth of India.. we also have to acknowledge that prior to it it was the Congress with its restrictive polices which throttled the growth of industry and computers.

    Similary Sonia has little to with the policies of the government as I have explained below– except in pushing the rise of ther son.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,

    Have you heard a slogan – ” Gandhi ke desh mein computer ka kya kaam hai?”

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, the communists peddled it – the same communists who kept you afloat in UPA-I. So, the point is?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will reply to you later. I am waiting for Vinoo’s reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not sure who said this. But surely left was against computers for a long time. Even sections of the Congress and BJP were opposed to it.

    Today the Congress has Kapil Sibal opposing facebook and twitter and google. Digvijay has already launched cases against internet uusers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One more thing. Please don’t repeat what other bloggers like Vijay have been saying. Those things have been discussed threadbare before. I am not going to respond all over again just because you have started repeating them all over. I engage with different people so that there are chances to discuss different things or different angles of the same thing. I have no interest in doing more of the same thing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pathak ji

    That sounds like a threatening warning. Don’t say this or… !

    C’mon Pathak ji, I had to do forensic analysis here because time and again you keep telling us that this miracle in India happened because of Sonia,,, this happened because of Rahul and this because of Rajiv.

    So is it not right that I do some forensic analysis and get to the bottom of the truth

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I genuinely got interested in your talent. I thought you would bring in the rigour. But I am yet to see that.

    I am still open to be impressed.
    Please be impressive.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tell me one lie I have written, In fact for the good of Indians I have tried to put Rajiv Gandhi in a historical perspective of wanting to try but failing or at least doing a U turn under political compulsions. I have tried to give credit to the forgotten PV Rao.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinoo

    With due respect.

    It is quite possible to actually have a conclusion in mind before undertaking forensic analysis.

    I have even heard KPMG Auditors asking the MD prior to commencing the audit What are we aiming for?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    by the way how far is the serious fraud office from ur place. Had a good time as a trainee there. Company was investigating — —–m then

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    by the way how far is the serious fraud office from ur place. Had a good time as a trainee there. Company was investigating — —–m then

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    by the way how far is the serious fraud office from ur place. Had a good time as a trainee there. Company was investigating — —–m then

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    by the way how far is the serious fraud office from ur place. Had a good time as a trainee there. Company was investigating — —–m then

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pal. KPMG is a place where I almost got stuck in and was to be posted to Holland and shuttle between UK and Holland. Well lock and fortune now sees me on this blog… debating the lack of their intent !

    by the way how far is the serious fraud office from ur place. Had a good time as a trainee there. Company was investigating — —–m then

    Ravi Reply:

    I live 20 miles west of London

    Anonymous Reply:

    we were in elm street !

    Ravi Reply:

    In the CITY?? My offices – when I go there – are in Newgate Street, near the St Pauls Tube station.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    ” t is quite possible to actually have a conclusion in mind before undertaking forensic analysis.”

    Very interesting.

    A friendly advise without any malice or any intentions . Sometimes you should ponder on this.

    Ravi Reply:

    I did and do.

    Do you??

    Anonymous Reply:

    I always do.

    Ravi Reply:

    Then there should be no issue. But your suggestion that I don’t betrays your deep seated prejudice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    If few years back somebody would have told me this I would
    have got offended. Now it does not bother me . I know what
    I am.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan Ji.

    Likewise I also know who I am, and I am in no doubt that chief clapper loader and FAKE detector will come along in the morning and tell you who he thinks I am.

    I know 100% that you do not really believe him, but every now and then – purely because of our different perspectives on life – the temptation must be hard to resist.

    I will still have a PINT ready for when we meet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I definitely would like to meet you and will drink togehter one day and there we will
    exchange our views personally.

    Ravi Reply:

    Sure that would be fun

    Anonymous Reply:

    Inshaallah.

  • Anonymous

    Ishwar-/others

    here is news from Bonn about what Muslims are doing there (I read your report on the special provision for Muslim girls to marry at 15 in India) ..
    ” she was impressed by how they had laid out their rugs in the center of the street and bent in unison to pray ….but at some point, she said she noticed several young men…..
    ………………………………………………………………………………………..
    I do not feel hate, I do not feel fear., Mrs Menden said, I feel disappointment (at the behavior of these Muslims)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/world/europe/hostility-between-muslims-and-nationalists-rattles-bonn-germany.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Typical of them!!

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    What is typical of us?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tolerance, harmony, respect, the belief in ‘live and let live’ !!

    Ravi Reply:

    You believe that the RSS is tolerant of minorities. Come to think of it do you think that Hinduism – as practiced in rural India even today – is tolerant towards minorities.

    Indian society is far from being harmonious, communal/religious tension is barely below the surface. In fact tension is artificially kept bubbling in order to frighten Hindus towards the RSS and its associates.

    We do not even respect traffic manners, queue formation etc. Touching the feet of an elder is not the only mark of respect.

    Live and let live in based upon the minorities knowing and accepting their place in the society.

    I guess you know the difference between US and THEM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is a report from Germany. What did RSS do there?

    Ravi Reply:

    Since when has there been a shortage of RSS style Right Wing Fundos in Germany. Islamophobia is not an exclusive trait of the RSS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Typical of us?

    Ravi Reply:

    Cryptic indeed. You are a Drone Acharya

  • Anonymous

    sorry friends

    Some bug in discus has resulted in multiple postings. Maybe I clicked thrice or four times not seeing the posting go in. Sorry for the eysores.

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    After clicking once, if the page does not display the new message. Just reload / refresh the page. Avoid clicking multiple times. I have brought this problem to the notice of Disqus, let us see how soon they fix it.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I do not think it has anything to do with what you did.

    Disqus is disgusting

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Click submit button only once, and refresh.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

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    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/low-cost-desalination-solutions-other-tech-innovations-can-add-a-lot-of-sparkle-to-water/articleshow/13831178.cms

    Prolonged dry spells, parched fields and disppearing urban water bodies are whipping up a perfect storm as the combined effect can hit farming, cause supply shortages and stagger economic growth.

    Paradoxically, this comes at a time when India-born professor of chemical engineering at New Jersey Institute of Technology, Dr Kamalesh K Sirkar, has just won a patent for a low-cost desalination technique, that not only brings down capital costs but also assures safe and good source of water.

    Less than 1% of the municipality water in India comes from desalination plants, according to SVK Babu, director, Veolia Water India, whose company has initiated a project in Nagpur which treats river water and meets the drinking water needs of 2.5 million people there. Traditional desalination plants have been energy-intensive and hence costly, making it unfeasible to be implemented in India.

    ==

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Gentlemen,

    I will give you one example how Modi changed the style of working in government departments in Gujarat. – There are other examples too- As soon as he became CM he would
    walk into any government department early in the morning. If he would
    find a chair unoccupied and a no proper reason was provided that person
    would get a first and final warning -second similar offence would get him a suspension order for two weeks – and his supervisor would be suspended
    for a month immdiately. Second similar mistake would increase the period of suspension for
    the supervisor. In about six months all the departments started working properly.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Did the employee see his bra strap :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I am not sure that all those people who oppose Modi do so because they believe he is a bad administrator.

    They do so because he is deeply communal and dyed in saffron Hinduatvadi. Their opposition to him is based upon their opposition to the ideology he belongs to.

    The above is certainly true for me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    You consider him a bad administrator but I as a public am happy
    with his style of functioning because my job in government departments gets done on time and without paying bribe.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Where did I say that he is a bad administrator.

    Please indicate?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You said they believe he is a bad administrator. I understood
    differently.

    Ravi Reply:

    This is what I said.

    I am not sure that all those people who oppose Modi do so because they believe he is a bad administrator.

    This means that people oppose him for reasons other than his administrative abilities.

    manohar_T Reply:

    That is one the reasons put forward, as to why people of Gandhinagar voted for the Congress in the last Municipal Corporation elections.

    ==

    I am in agreement with Ravi.

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  • Anonymous

    Why special laws for Muslims are not winning admiration for Islam.
    ————————————————————————————-

    There is a tendency among certain people to handle all Islamic issues with double care as this leads to communal tensions. But I dont see why it should be done in case it goes against the evolution of human thought and civil behavior.

    The question of marriage at 15 only for Muslims has been posted by Ishwar.

    Now let us honestly ask ourselves why the marriage age in India for girls was pushed up to 18. here is a list of reasons

    a) Young girls are denied the choice of education as it is believed that their role in life is to get married at 15 and bear children

    b) A young girl at 15 is more likely to be coerced and forced by her husband and in laws than in case she is 18

    c) In interest of population control and family planning marriageable age is pushed up

    I dont see why a specail provision for Muslims should be made to allow for early marriage of their girls. Do all these things not apply to them? We further need to note that the Muslim personal law allows a man the choice of multiple wives and forbids a woman from having the same. Do the laws of gender parity and equality not apply there?

    I think all this pussyfooting is hogwash.

    many communities marry their young girls in India.These include Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. But by law it is illegal. Why the hell should it be made legal ONLY for Muslims?

    is it for vote bank purposes or is it because a false cry of Islamophobia is raised, whenver there is opportunity to reform practice in Muslims?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinoo

    I have a few questions.

    1. What would have been your view on this topic, had the target community instead of being Muslim had been some obscure sect of Hinduism.

    2. You take no account of the point as well as Forensic Statistics of the common practice of Child Marriage in India. Many of which are consummated before the girl reaches the age of 15. These marriages are both socially and religiously sanctified.

    3. In a country which has a range of differing communities what is the correct course of action. Should every one be governed by a single civil code and sod any cultural differences (how ever different).

    4. The legal age of sexual intercourse in the UK is 16, not 18.

    5. less than a 100 years ago the age of consent and marriage in the UK was 12.

    So my friend I do not think that this is a simple issue, opposition to the HC judgement is more to do with scoring cheap political points against the Muslim Community (The Others) while disregarding similar issues within our own community.

    The special code is not designed to gain admiration of the Muslim community, that smacks of majoritarianism. That to me is the real hog-wash.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My view would have been the same even if Mainstream Hindus had asked for it.

    The age of consent is different form the age of marriage.. People all ver the world are moving to an easier age of consent for sex– with debatable results– but marriage at young age for girls IN INDIA is a huge problem.

    These are mostly NOT love marriages but just social and religious pressures which end up denying the girls the right of education, good health and a free mind. It is the concept of family honour which forces these marriages — that a girl will get spoilt in case her lust forces her to try sex before marriage. So puberty is thought of as the right age.

    I think you should bat for gender parity. In fact talk about the sordid Muslim personal law which allows men to have multiple wives and denies women from having multiple husbands together.

    All hope of assimilating Islam with other religions die, in case we start suspecting the motives of people who talk about equality of men and women and different religions under law.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I hold no brief for Islam or the other cultures.

    I am all for gender parity among all communities. I am against the imposition of it by the majority community.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A taraju is a taraju is a balance. The law holds it with eye folded blind. It makes no difference whether a Hindu or a Muslim or Sikh announces that henceforth laws would be based on gender parity and regressive laws which allow men from having multiple wives but denying women from mulitple men would banned.

    Therrefore in case there is any imposition of a common civil code you should not crib that it has been done by a majority.

    Ravi Reply:

    So far the only party that is breaking the LAW are those Hindus who practice Child Marriage. Which is clearly against the Law in India yet widely practiced and with full religious and social sanction.

    What you are proposing is that ALL Laws should be based upon a uniform civil code.

    Would you accept if that Uniform Civil Code contained elements from non-Hindu communities which are alien to Hinduism. Although I must say I can not think of any, including polygamy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sure gender parity, civil behavior, evolution of thought are the touchstone for me.

    I think you have a wrong concept of a uniform civil code. It is about laws of the land applying equally to all. The UK and US have it. Do you feel denied of anything in UK?

    it is not about special customs being forced upon one community. If Muslims want a “halal” wedding and Sikhs want a “Jhatka” wedding with latkas and matkas… the civil code has no role to play.

    It only comes in, incase a man wants four wives saying that my religions gives me special rights.

    These rights cannot be above those enshrined in the Civil code.

    Ravi Reply:

    But what traditions and values is this Universal Civil Code going to be based upon.

    Western style liberal values.

    Or some arcane Hindu Values that are fast disappearing from our society.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are just trying to defend he impossible and finding soem way to insult hindus. What does civil code have to do with HInduism? We have a law of the land which says there is punishement for rape, bigamy, murder …multiple marriages… rperession of women… that is it.

    Ravi Reply:

    One could say the same about your position, which is needlessly and irrationally anti Muslim.

    Civil Codes in India (as elsewhere) are based upon religious values, so it has everything to do with Hinduism/Islam and Sikhism.

    All the examples that you cite are only a part of the civil code, there remain besides large sections of civil code which do little more than enshrine in law common cultural practices.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There are two sets of laws – one administered by the central govt, the other by the state governments.
    These should be uniformly applicable to all, whether Muslim or not.
    The laws are for Indians, not Muslims, Christians, Hindus.
    In the rush to please all, we end up with fifty national holidays, et al.
    It is high time we change the constitution.

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    Ravi Reply:

    How likely is that?

    Plus a lot more changes will have to take place in the Indian society before the constitution can reflect them accurately.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is pussyfooting, appeasement, you name it…
    In this particular case, the guys must be thinking there is no funding needed.. Mullahs will propose more and the givers will give more.
    The country was divided so the ones who want all the regression can go to the Regressivestan.

    But the physical wound of 1947 is compounded by the thousand cuts the secular govt has done to India.

    Rajeev Gandhi, whom one of the bloggers here have described as the young man who turned India around, walked away from his bold Shah Banu stand. Same with all prime ministers – all worked to divide India again and again and again.

    Nehru was the biggest appeasor.

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    Ravi Reply:

    There is nothing – absolutely nothing – more regressive than Hinduatva of which you are a 4 speed fan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    This is being unfair. If Gopi has a different viewpoint you should respect it rather than start abuse.

    Ravi Reply:

    Where is the abuse. Merely pointing out that he is a long standing fan of the Hinduatva cause.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even if he is.. is’nt that his right? Now how do you think the world sees your comments and supporting what?

    Ravi Reply:

    I don’t mind what the world does. I am not a politician.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Now you are getting angry.

    Ravi Reply:

    Am I??

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    There is nothing more regressive than Hinduism/ hindutva?? Will you please elaborate. be rational and logical, I do not want to go to the realm of insnity.

    Ravi Reply:

    I suggest you start by re-reading what I said. The word Hinduism is an injection into here by you. I only talked about Hinduatva

    Hinduatva wants to create a Hindu majoritarianism in India and its ideology was devised and promoted by Sarvarkar and Golwalkar both of whom are extremely conservative Hindus with deep seated hatred of Muslims and other minorities.

    Hinduatva, wants to roll back advancements made by Dalits under the successive secular governments. That is what the Ranvir Sena was set-up to do in Bihar.

    We will resume this tomorrow I have a pub two doors from my house and it needs my presence there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Justice K T Thomas, a practising Syrian Christian, is a follower and admirer of RSS. Obviously, Congress was shocked when he made his support public; and suddenly he became an anti-Muslim!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    That is how secularism is practiced in our country. Talk any thing good about Hinduism you become communal.

    Ravi Reply:

    Not Hinduism but Hinduatva.

    Now you may wish to equate them, to me they are vastly different.

    Ravi Reply:

    So what!!

    manohar_T Reply:

    Are you concluding that just because of one Syrian Christian (make that two, if you include yourself), the whole Christian community has become the follower and admirer of the RSS? One swallow does not make a summer. Tell me another.

    Similarly, there are few Muslims in the BJP, does it mean the whole Mulsim community supports Modi? Tell me a different another.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the beauty about dreaming. You dream about so called
    Hinduvatta and I dream about Katrina and Kareena.

    Ravi Reply:

    Each to their own dreams

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Please define Hindutva. What is your source of hindutva?? Who propogate this philosphy??and by the way, what is this Philosphy??? i am an outsider, I will appreciate your help here. Please also let me me know about the practioners of this philosphy.

    Ravi Reply:

    i suggest you start by reading Golwalkar, and other RSS literature. As for practitioners then start with L K Advani, Mohan Bhagwat, Togadia and traverse your way downwards via Narendar Modi and Co.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Strangely many Muslim majority countries have renounced these regressive laws. Indian and Afghanistan will be the last to do so.

    many Hindu scripts talk about re-birth. Now should I have laws which make sure that I get the right re-birth?

    The Bible talks about a flat earth and man originating from Adam and eve. So should I have laws which ban picture of a round globe and laws which ban talk about dinosaurs and evolution.

    No book can hold the world to ransom. Period.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So you want to replace pussyfooting with pussyfitting so that you can screw them.

    Shame on you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Regressivestan – - A good and perfect name for Pakistan.

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    Ravi Reply:

    And that would become equally applicable to India if the RSS achieves its stated objectives.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If RSS achieves its what you think is their objective.
    Don’t worry there are crores of people in India who won’t
    let them achieve this Hinduvatta objective.

    Ravi Reply:

    Aap ke muh mein ghee shakkar

    manohar_T Reply:

    If we begin by recognizing the facts that
    1) the geographical area that is called India, has societies with different religious and social practices, different languages and the number of such societies is very huge. Therefore, politically we are one as Indians, but otherwise we are numerous sub-nationalities (for lack of better word). No country on earth has such diversity, actually it is mind boggling even to imagine.

    2) our country adopted one person one vote system. In this system, the majority view holds, but a true democracy is one which does not ruthlessly impose its views and policies on the minorities (whatever be the criteria).

    3) keeping in mind the above two, it is not possible to have every law applied uniformly across the whole country. Of course, most of our laws are applicable to all Indians, irrespective of the sub-nationality of the person concerned – for example fundamental rights, right to vote, etc.

    Once we venture into enacting laws covering traditional social practices and culture, then we may a problem(*). Hence the need to have separate laws (remember this the last option) for the various societies, which inhabit this country. It is very well to wish that all the laws should be applicable to each one of us to show we are one and we are Indians. Historically, we have never been Indians as such, except since 1947 and before that loosely under the British. There were of course times, when powerful kings held sway over large parts of the subcontinent.

    * With different laws, one set of people may find the certain laws or its provisions governing another set of people abhorrent and distasteful, but then we have to live with it, otherwise we would not have remained as one country politically. There would been numerous partitions after 1947. A day may come in the future, when we have all the laws applicable right across the country uniformly. If it does not, no sweat.

    Today, I do not recall which, but there is one act, which is applicable to whole of India, except for certain tribes in the North-East, where their practice of the custom /practice is complete opposite to the provisions of the act and that exception has indeed been incorporated into the act. (Gopi, note the majesty of the parliamentary democracy).

    If there are multiplicity of laws and we by and large live in harmony, where is the problem, except for those people (there some here too) who wish to impose their hegemony and their way of life over others in name of ‘unity’?

    Here some people have objections to multiple wives in Islam. How many Muslims you know who have more than one wife? Even the Hindu Marriage Act, does not prohibit multiple wives, except when the first wife takes an objection (no third party is allowed to create a ‘hungama’ about it).

    Check out:

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_man-marries-two-sisters-three-are-happy_1192396

    I hope this answers many questions and objections being raised here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Europe and USA, First world countries. People of all religions reside
    in these countries and one law for everyone is practiced. There people of different religions and different social practices live in
    harmony. Why not same can be adopted in India ? Why do we fear that UCC will create disharmony among people of different religions?

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    Good questions. Let us rewind and recall some historical facts.

    When the European countries and the USA enacted their laws, there was one predominant religion and more or less the same culture. Now when people, who come in as immigrants and who may be different in terms of ethnicity, religion and culture, better follow the existing laws. For example, a Hindu Wedding may take place in our traditional ways in the USA, but surely the marriage is to be registered as per the local laws.

    In case of India at the time of independence, we had people of different faiths and cultures and they were substantial in numbers and we had to start writing laws to govern us. Why go by religion alone. No one knows how many strains of Hinduism are there, but the number must be very large. The constitution was adopted in November 1949. Subsequently, various laws and acts governing different communities were passed in the next couple of years. One of the reasons could also be the realization by our law makers then that if the interests and practices of the minorities (religious or regional or whatever) were not protected by special laws, there could be demands for secession from the Union of India, given the fact that one partition had already taken place. Recall, Tamil Nadu – they fought and rioted on the basis of language in the 60s. If we had not taken their concerns into consideration and acted upon, who knows Tamil Nadu would not have been part of India today.

    Ours is unity in diversity. Live and let live.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Feeling sleepy now will reply you tommorow. Good night.

    manohar_T Reply:

    So am I. Good Night everybody.

  • Anonymous

    Gentlemen-
    I have been traveling in the US for the last few weeks. This is the first time I am visiting here during a presidential election season.

    I notice many bloggers commenting about minorities, constitutional rights etc.

    Strangely, one major election “issue” in the US is about who is the protector of the constitution – apparently Republicans have a “hold” on that (per my American friend here).

    I believe the hard core republicans get rattled when democrats talk about minorities – poor, black, single women, one parent household…- because constitution is silent on “minorities” ; that everybody is covered under the same constitution, and over the long course amendments will occur to address serious issues, such as slavery, womens voting rights, or Civil rights equality etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shoeb

    even when I at least discuss issues on Islam or any other religion , the idea is to promote harmony. So I hope you dont feel bad about it.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Do not worry. He does not mind if you write anything against Islam, he has a problem only if ………….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    No one should have any problem if anything is written against
    any religion. If anyone has that means he/she does not have enough faith in his/ her religion. All religions should be strong enough to withstand any sort of criticism.

    manohar_T Reply:

    We are one on this since long. I was only commenting upon the track record.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo-
    No issues. My dad always says he and his children did well because we spent more time with “tambrahms” !

    Of course there are developmental issues; more regional than “religional” ; and comprehensive programs and focused economic growth should assist in bringing all up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    More regional than religional. These two words says it all.

  • pankaj#1

    Guys;
    Missed you all. in last 3-4 days was so much busy ki G.G. ka relationship Bhool gaya. Anyway, I do not see Vijay, even now. this is causing concern to me. It seems that blog is in full flow. I will remain busy, this is just a lucid interval, in few hours, I will be lost to this blog again. Wish best for everyone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay was here yesterday. Was back from some trip.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Vinoo;
    This is some relief.
    Appreciate your help.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Panjak
    Vijay must be quite busy – otherwise he would have jumped into these target-rich discussions.

  • Anonymous

    Well, the monsoon is here.. Now it will move norhwards, nurturing the plants and forests, only to be felled by men….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Regarding monsoon – actually nothing to do with monsoon… Robert Kaplan, famous author on geopolitics/American security has written a wonderful book – “Monsoon – The Indian Ocean and the Future of American Power” ..
    The theme is US/India vs China and that the Indian Ocean will be the palyground.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I will try get hold of that book and we can discuss it later. Thanks.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi

    It takes about 7 to 10 days for the monsoon to reach Bombay after it strikes Kerala. Though we had a very very light drizzle lasting for a minute or two some hours back.

    My favourite season happens to be the rainy season. I just love the rains and the atmosphere and ambience it creates. It will be a delightful time for me for the next three months or so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Raining outside, haath mein whiskey ka glass, plate mein kebabs,
    aur bagal mein – everyone will have a different choice – — yes it feels
    just wonderful.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Agar yeh sab nahin bhi ho – no sweat. I still love the rainy season solely for the rains alone.

  • Anonymous

    This joke is specially for all my Punjabi friends on this blog.

    Punjabi ….is the sweetest language???
    During the British Raj days it was felt that bonding with the locals would be better if English officers could speak in Punjabi.

    Accordingly, a Punjabi tutor was arranged for a Gora Major Saab. After a month the tutor felt he had taught the British Major good Punjabi.

    The Major’s commanding officer in Lahore, the British General, decided to personally test the Major. So, he threw some ink on the table and asked the Major to describe in Punjabi what happened.  

    Major: “Aithay ink kinnay giraayi hai?”

    The tutor looked happy but the General was disappointed and asked them to further improve the Punjabi.

    Another month passed and it was time for another test. The General again threw ink on the table and asked the same question.

    Major replied in his improved i : “Aitthay siyahi kinnay doli hai?” The tutor was thrilled but the General was still not satisfied.

    So the tutor asked what the General was expecting. The General said he would demonstrate and called a desi Punjabi Sergeant to come into the office.

    The Sergeant walked in, saw the mess and immediately screamed:

    “Oye bhenchodo ! Eh mez di maa kinney choddi hai?”

    The old General stood up, applauded

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Jokes apart, seriously the British Officers were compulsorily made to learn the language of the regiment.

    Sometime around 1977, a group of Ex-British Officers came back to India for the first time since 1947. They landed in Bombay and stayed at the hotel where i was working. From Bombay, they went to Delhi and from there the group dispersed to go and spend time with their respective army units and regiments for reunions, barra khana and what have you.

    Their command over the Indian languages (Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu, etc.) was incredible, putting us to shame. In most cases, their wives too spoke the languages. I remember two such officers, who spoke not only Punjabi fluently, but with the typical Punjabi twang.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    This is enlightenment and Vasudhev kutumbakam. Try to inderstand What I am saying.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Vasudhev kutumbakam

    Now this sounds Greek to me.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    This sounds Greek to you, this explains many things.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I will leave it at that.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    You irrascible.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    well being Delhi bred I often winced when my mama, chacha, taaya would invoke, “oye teri behn di…” even when a car tyre would burst..

    But back in the wheat fields of Ludhiana and Jullandur, it was obvious that all Punjabis knew the mothers and sisters of everyone in the United nations.

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    Karunanidhi and Sharad pawar support Advani and Ramdev??? What is happening to Secular brigade???. this is for Ravi and Manohar.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Where and what is the problem?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Problem??? These two names were ” Achhut and big time taboos for you”. and you are asking where and what is problem??? manohar, we are doing an intellectual discussion, if you can keep emotions away, I will aprrciate.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Achhut and taboos. Yes. However, that does not translate into not agreeing with them when they talk sense. Putting a person into a compartment and disagreeing or agreeing always with him/her (solely based on the fact in which compartment the person has been put in) is not my style, as some here tend to do. If you have not realised that, what can I do, except shrug my shoulders.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar;
    Yes, even I do not believe in straitjacketing a person. That is why, I also disagree with many things congresas people do. any wrong doing on the part of any leader, party worker, hurts all of us.

    Ravi Reply:

    I also support the release of Black Money, starting with the millions of lockers in India. Lets open them and see what is inside them.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Ravi;
    There is something as Privacy.Without any evidence, you can not touch locker. thaat will be robbery.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj, so what is your point about returning the Black Money from Abroad…is that not covered by the very same privacy issues.

    My point is that if one – like Ramdev – is agitating about Black Money is Switzerland, then why is he not interested in Black Money stashed away in millions of lockers here in India itself.

  • pankaj#1

    All;
    What has happened to CBI?? says, Army was inducting obolete Tatra trucks? PathakG and Manohar, What is happening here?? Congress losing grip on CBI??? Sau choohe kha ke????

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Indira said, If we win, we will run North East states as per bible??? and she is Secular????. let us discuss this.

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    Ravi Reply:

    What is not secular about this, if the NE states are Christian. Would she have been more secular had she said that we will run Maharashtra according to the Geeta.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the stupidest argument I have heard — “if the NE states are christian — do we have Christian states (Muslim states, Hindu states???),

    Now I am not sure if Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi said that..I have seen different quoting of Modi speech in various papers – one says it was in the election manifesto, one says during a speech Indira mentioned it etc.. …

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    So hindu states should be ruled as Ram Rajya?? what is your take on this.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Can you provide any link or evidence that she indeed said such a thing?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Me, Only messanger. this is your favorite line too. I wrote, what I read in HT.

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  • Anonymous

    History buffs..

    Interesting article about Chola arts, architecture, engg, temples.. I did not know that the British used the stones of Gangaikonda cholapuram temple
    ( constructed by RajRajChola’s grandson) were removed to be used for the building of the kolerun dam.

    Industrialists like Ravi Sam of Coimbatore should be congratulated for organizing this amazing forum (this is a good example; let us hope these types of forums get established in our cultural/architectural centres) and contributing to the preservation and protection

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article3490256.ece

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    manohar_T Reply:

    “The British carried away huge chunks of it to build a dam. Even then the temple remains a jewel”.

    Why would they do that? Was there a shortage of stone in the area? Were these chunks enough in numbers to a build a dam?

    Any idea?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “why would they do that”?? Why was Somnath ransacked six or seven times by the other invaders? Why did Aurengazeb do what he did at Varanasi? Why would Tipu Sultan do what he did in Malabar?

    At least this was done, based on what we read here, and page 143 of the attached, to build the Kolerun aniket (since it is an aniket and not a dam, mnay be the need for stone was limited?)

    http://www.cmdachennai.gblogov.in/pdfs/seminar_heritage_buildings/Strengthening_and_Restoration_of_Heri

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  • pankaj#1

    Mohan;
    I would like to meet you in Mumbai. Please give me your email.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    melody_enterprises@hotmail.com

    Manohar,

    Please drop me an email. I will let you know when I fix my dates of
    comming to India.

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  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Oye khotey, kithhe nas gya se?

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Sir Khotha is back here !

    Just unwinding my burden ….

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  • Anonymous

    Phone rings at night.
    Husband : This should be for me, tell him I am not here.
    Wife answers the phone : hello, he is here.
    and puts down the phone.
    Husband : What the hell !
    Wife : It was for me.

    Good morning friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    good!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good for a hearty laugh.

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  • Anonymous

    More fun ahead -

    Mamta has declared she can go on her own and does not need Congress in WB..
    She has joined the opposition against coalgate allocation!
    She has been shi—g on congress; how long they will tolerate this? Who can replace her voting block in LS

    Sharad Pawar has also come in support of Baba Ramdev position on black money a day after Sonia and PM went after Baba…
    Now Sharad Pawar for black money cleaning up is like the pot calling the kettle black…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,
    Yesterday Sharad Pawar and today Mamta challenging the center.
    Will we see end of UPA very soon. ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mamta is a loud mouth and Sharad Pawar is a smiling cobra.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Pawar is siding up with Ramdev. Now Ramdev has to catch the corrupt after taking a corrupt ladder onto his side.

    Maybe that is the only way our system will work

    Anonymous Reply:

    As they say, Pawar is the $6Million man

    vijay ! Reply:

    billion maybe ! If you say million… Pawar may feel hurt and start crying !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Shenoy/Vijay,
    I am wondering what was that which Pawar had asked for and
    Madam Gandhi reufsed to give. His siding with Baba Ramdev
    is his way of telling Congress that accept my terms or ….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    Everybody is hedging their 2014 strategy–throwing trial balloons..
    UPA cannot survive with Mamta in their alliance! They should get rid of her and find somebody else, may be even BJP!

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    vijay ! Reply:

    The UPA should get rid of being a Dynasty appendage and become an adult for a change.

    Mummy cannot be your protector all the time… :)

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I think we need to recognize that this country is going to remain inefficiently organized. There can be little hope from a person as shrill and confused as Mamta.

    I think we need to create a state where politicians have little leverage to make a mess of things. Europe certainly has done away with the sort of news which adorns our media.

    Courts which punish and police which takes action is rally the key here.

    Mamta’s rule is an opportunity to get free enterprise inot Bengal. I guess it would be lost.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,
    Comming back on our last night’s discussion.
    i understand that while writing constitution different laws were made
    for different religions because the thought behind that was that everybody
    should live in harmony following their own laws and customs.
    Somehow I am not able to digest . This means people of India have been
    legally told that you all are different. It is very difficult for me to accept that
    Mohammad, Mark, Milka Singh are any different from Mohan. We all are Indians
    and one law should apply to all. In my opinion same laws for everyone will
    have a positive long term effect. Some political party – is there any – should
    take a bold decission to bring UCC.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    You are absolutely right. Constitution should not have segregated Indians by region, religion, special consideration etc. There should have been one set of definition for citizens and citizen rights.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, you have summed up the dichotomy in the Indian political system itself. It is plain duplicity.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Only a duplicitous person like you will come up with a statement like that.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Civil laws should and have to be the same for all. Vinoo talked bout the reason why age of marriage was raised. Here is my opinion.

    a) For Population control it is desirable that males start producing kids at 21 and not before. At least in India which is 1.2 billion people. Saudi Arabia with 25 million people can have a different set of laws.

    So in 50 years a man married at 15, and producing a child at 16 and then at 18, with his sons married at 15 and then producing children at 15 and 18 and his grandsons married at 15 producing children at 15 and 18.

    will result in a population cycle of 40% higher growth as compared to the same starting from age 21 upwards/

    A FORTY PERCENT DIFFERENCE IN POPULATION GROWTH RATE !

    b)When I was 15, I was in 10th class, busy with algebra, differential calculus and football. And thinking about girls in a school next door…

    So were the girls.

    Now have a different scenario. Once these girls were to be married at 15, would they think of calculus or what the husband would do in the night? Would they think of college education after that or would they look after the children

    Frankly, most of the girls at 15, were giggly, sugar and spice creatures whose bodies were still to be formed. It would be wrong for society to turn a blind eye to their marriage.

    3) Anemia, infant mortality, mother’s pure health etc are a huge issue in India as I discovered while making films once for the Ministry for Health. Young girls suffer the most.

    The minority pandering thing is only going to condemn then to this for ever.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan and Vijay

    All sort of superstitions can end up becoming laws in case we have separate civil laws based on religion.

    a) Islam strictly forbids leaving the religion. Many Islamic countries can punish this with death. So will this demand be included as per religious charters OR should the need for human rights prevail

    b) Most religions have a set of corny superstitions. In order to appease the priests we end up legislating that women can be whipped for adultery, men can be beaten up for marrying outside their caste and religion, the earth is flat, woman is born from a man’s rib, the apple was responsible for humanity and a lot more silly ideas.

    I think Ravi went a bit offtrack– in fact quiet offtrack– in trying to win an argument that Hindus were discriminating against Muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,
    I will not go into the details of the practices of any religion.
    Every religion should be allowed to practice its own customs
    and rituals without the interference of the state. Any killimg,
    whipping, child marriage, Khap punishmnets should be
    considered as a crime and should be dealtt according to
    the law of land.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Yes, true. it is not about which religion is better, but about how we need to have humane, progressive laws which enhance child security, gender parity and remove discrimination.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Mohan

    Practically all the laws apply across the board without taking into consideration factors such as religion, region, ethnicity, etc. Indian Penal Code, Income Tax Act, Indian Partnership Act, etc.,etc.

    There are few laws and acts (under the category – Personal Laws) which apply to people based on their religion, customs and age old practices. These laws and acts do not interfere with operation of the universal laws and acts of India.

    Before proceeding further, one may ask what was the need to codify some of the laws that pertain to one’s personal religious beliefs and cultural practices? The answer is that the religion is based more on beliefs, dogmas, rituals and practices, which are subject to different interpretations by the different persons at different times.

    For example, there are separate Marriage Acts for Hindus, Muslims, Parsis, Christians and now for Sikhs (the bill was passed last month), under which the marriages can be solemnized. However, if the couple do not wish to register their marriage under any of the above acts for various reasons, there is Special Marriage Act, to provide a special form of marriage for the people of India and all Indian nationals in foreign countries, irrespective of the religion or faith followed by either party. The Act originated from a piece of legislation proposed during the late 19th century. No one can stop anyone from registering the marriage under this act. Why should it bother us as Indians, if two Parsis decide to get married under their own Marriage Act?

    In name of unity and just to tell the world we are Indians and nothing else, suppose we decide to have only one marriage act for all (one size fits all). You can very well imagine the problems, Which practice of which religion would be acceptable to all (none, if you ask me). Would all people accept the Islamic practice and rules for divorce for example? I am afraid not.

    Similar, there are different laws for succession. Here is excerpt

    ‘You have the Hindu Succession Act, the Parsi Succession Act, the Indian Succession Act (which applies to Christians), and even a Jaina Succession Act (which has of course now fallen into disuse, since Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs are all now governed by the Hindu Succession Act). As far as Muslims are concerned, the law of succession falls into two broad streams, the Shia law of succession and the Hanafi law of succession. Both these laws of succession form part of the common law of India and are recognised as having the force of law by virtue of the Sharia’t Laws (Application) Act.”

    Again why should it bother us as to which succession act is applicable to a family?

    The underlying message is unity in diversity. That is why I am proud and others must be too – in the great experiment underway called India – there are bound to be problems and there are many, we have to solve them. As I said in the earlier post below, nothing of the sort has been tried before in the history of mankind – given the immense diversity of our people.

    Isn’t it great that Mohan, Mohammad, Montek and Mark have personal laws, yet we are all Indians?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    Enjoyed reading your reply. Let me think about this if I can
    counter any of your points. I would love to read the comments
    of other distinguished bloggers here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I appreciate reasons and logic. You have got them here. I agree with you on the point that marriage and succession of a person/family shouldn’t really bother the rest of us and hence there could be separate laws.

    Please convince me that allowing a 15 year old muslim girl to marry legally is the right thing to do? Shouldn’t the law specifically say that you can only get married after you are 18 or older, how do you get married (i.e. under which personal law) and get it registered is not our concern?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Ishwar

    Actually your answer can be summed up in one sentence – nature does not respect and follow laws made by man.

    What is so magical about the numbers 15 or 18? Nothing.
    If you ask me, even 18 years is too low a figure for a person to get married – given how difficult it is to lead a married life. I think it should be 21 years for both men and women for them to tie the knot and allow them go on a roller coaster ride thereafter.

    The ruling of the High Court says Muslim women can get married once they attain the age of 15 years, of course no law says that they be forced to do so. Now nature has never played by the script we write. Biologically, people are ready for marriage even at an earlier age. Hence, there is nothing to get upset about this figure of 15. Socially, the answer is no. Yes, get upset about it from this angle. Even I am.

    Just because the High Court has said it will be 15 years from now, does not mean all Muslims girls will start getting married on their 15th birthday, just as all Hindu girls do not marry on attaining the age of 18. Education of the especially the girl child and the economic independence that would follow are the keys for women to decide when to get married probably when they are in their 20s. Also the change within among the community concerned have to realise that marrying people in their teens is not a good thing. If they do (it must be happening albeit slowly), then this 15 or 18 figures will cease to be of any consequence.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Manohar

    What about the underlying concerns of

    a) Slowing population growth rates

    b) Depriving girls the choice of education. Most girls who would be married at 15 would be doing it under their parents orders

    c) Concerns on women’s health. I have seen hundreds of girls at site carrying on work, and two children, even though they could be barely 18. NObody is reporting them to police. But in case there is a law in place at least the direction they need to take is shown by the society. But in case there is no law in place… well we will regress back to the old days of child marriage. SO why 15 then?

    Why not 8 or 10?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I have answered your concerns re: age in my reply to Ishwar.

    Poor people always get the wrong end of the stick. The solution does not lie in enacting only laws, but also need social solutions, education, etc.

    You mention about the plight of the women and the children at your site. The women are breaking their backs to make ends meet (just). Has anyone responsible there has ever bothered to set up a temporary creche and a playground and may be some arrangement for some elementary education for the 3 and 4 years olds? The situation you have described is rampant all over the country and is not unique to your site.

    vijay ! Reply:

    I guess it is rampant. I make no boasts, as I feel god would be scathing to me if I write a lie on this one. I have in my small way tried to ensure that kids how hang around at site– some as small 2,3 or 4 do not get into any dangerous situation.

    We try to organise clothes from people who have good used clothes.

    We never never employ underage workers.

    We only employ female workers for manual work as a sort of relief to the husband who would be working there so that the couple ends up making more money. And normally we pay much much more than ordained by minimum wages act or market forces.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Good for you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Any idea which succession law is applied in case of inter religion marriages?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Mohan

    I am not a legal eagle, so cannot say for sure. I suppose the Indian Succession Act would apply. The best forums to decide each individual case on its own merits would be the High Courts and the Supreme Court. There must be some provision in some law to take care of such cases.

    Our laws have generally been very exhaustive with hardly any lacunae, to cover almost all sorts of situations, if there is any then the Supreme Court lays down the law, when dealing with such a case for the first time.

    By and large, our Executive and the Legislatures have done an excellent job down the years in framing laws and acts, it is the implementation leaving too much to desire that forces us to get extremely angry and agitated.

  • Anonymous

    After Modi became CM this is how government departments in Gujarat work.
    There is a time limit set for any file to remain at different desks. Systems have
    been computerized. if any file remains more than the time stipulated in any
    department than automatically a memo/message will be triggered which
    will go to the supervisor, head of the department and CMO.If no genuine
    explanation is provided than the person involved and the offier in charge will
    face suspension for some period.Punishment becomes more severe if the mistake is repeated. People in Gujarat are happy with this style of functioning.
    If this is ruthlesness than yes, Modi is ruthless.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    I bet the corrupt officers must be shouting… Modi Modi …Rape rape !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a discontent among some BJP members in Gujarat
    because Modi is not allowing them to steal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, this is a fact. One of my muslim friends (from Gujarat) at work had told me the same thing four years back. He also talked about how the govt. employees can’t take extended breaks for tea, lunch etc.

    That’s the way to go. The state should provide good governance, power, infrastructure, basic health and education, law and order etc. and leave the rest to people.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Very interesting! here in Delhi, despite BSES being privatized, I still have to hire a dalal for a new site and the linesman wont give the connection without mithai.

    Situation is much better than the days of DESU where every person was a thief. But it can be improved.

    I still have funny memories of DESU, where I once went to complain about corruption to the Suprintending Engineer. The Engineer would come at 2.00 to his office. When I entered the room, he was in his undies, lying on the sofa. Two boys were massaging his thighs and back to make him “relax” because of overwork.

    When told him that electric connection had not been given at site, he looked up and then said, ” you have been giving money to juniors… give me 20,000 and it will be done in a day…”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    Your approach was wrong. You should have directly gone to
    the senior paid him and your job would have been done in a jiffy.

    vijay ! Reply:

    I was a chotta bachcha then! Now I know that raja and YSR at the top make more money and still pretend to be preists..

  • Anonymous

    Mohan, Manohar, Ishwar-
    My Catholic friend in the US says that they have only one set of law; and there is nothing called personal law (marriage, succession etc). The flexibility is in the execution of what is considered personal – ie, wedding can be conducted in the church and the church record is sufficient as a proof – however, divorce court records become the proof of divorce since the Church does not sanction divorce. And divorce courts are bound by the state laws with no deference to religious rules.
    There is no separate religious (Catholic, Jewish, various denominations of protestants etc) “laws” for age of marriage etc. The age of marriage, the property distribution/ownership rights on divorce etc are governed by the laws of each individual state.

    I believe India has taken the wrong route creating a lousy unstable platform on which more and more “special” deals will be bolted on – e.g the recent high court pronouncement regarding the Muslim age of marriage. These make it easier to create an extreme intolerant Saudi Arabia within the country rather than creating a progressive US or Sweden within the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why do they have different set of laws on certain issues (homoseksuality for example) in different states of the US? It is to respect the sensibilities/customs of respective states and that’s why I tend to agree with Manohar that if a certain section of a society wants/needs to have their personal matters governed under a law specific to their religion, they should be allowed.

    I agree with you 100% on your views expressed in the second paragraph of your post where you have deplored the court’s decision.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar-
    I believe it has something to do with state sovereignty and states becoming a part of the union. My understanding is that initially everything else except national defence and fundamental rights of citizens was left to the states.
    I also understand that the states having so many powers – how elections are conducted, the gay marriage type issues you mentioned, trade/pollution etc requirements (California gasoline price is $$1.50/gallon above some other states because of the tough anti-pollution laws in the state) – in a sense is standing in their way to compete effectively with China, Brazil, and to some extent even to India – because by structure it is very difficult for them to craft a national policy.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Granted that the USA does not have any Personal Laws. Which law of God, Nature, United Nations or US mandates that India should also not have them? Our situation and circumstances are different and we have chosen to deal with them the way we thought are the best.

    You can read my rejoinders to Mohan and Ishwar, which answers many of your concerns.

    Questions. What is it you when two individuals, who you do not know from Adam, decide to get married under any of the Marriage Acts? Do your fundamental rights and other privileges get diminished? Does such a marriage cause a law and order problem? Does it harm your own marriage?

    A Muslim age of marriage! Read my response to Ishwar. I also hope that you would find the time to do something about it as it concerns your own ‘community’ and see that it does not go the Saudi way.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi: You said:
    i suggest you start by reading Golwalkar, and other RSS literature. As for practitioners then start with L K Advani, Mohan Bhagwat, Togadia and traverse your way downwards via Narendar Modi and Co.Golwalkar is history and he wrote, whatever he wrote, was a response to the toxic atmosphere created by Muslim league during partition days. Anyway, no body subscribe to that definition of hindutva now. RSS literature, can you show mw any piece of that literature, even Panchjanya and organizer will not dare to print any extreme as book will be thrown at them. Now, Togadia, togadia who??Modi, modi practicing that kind of hindutva?? it is your scary night dream. I find Saman Khurshid and Owaisi and Koyas and madnis, and Karunandhis, mamtas as purely communal and casteist people. No body is preachin secularism here in its total sense. Please explain, why NE states should run as per bible, as advocated by you!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    It is clear that we have an entirely different definition of what is communal and what is not.

    Like you I am now busy, having joined my project this morning, but promise you that in time I will define both the Hinduatva and Communalism in academic terms.

    I do not and did not recommend that NE states should be run as per bible. I only provided a response to your crass statement about what Indira said. The kind of thing people throw pointlessly as a grenade in an argument to simply derail the other person.

    That is what you did with mischief in mind.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, Mohan , Ishwar et al

    Manohar – your “unity in diversity” is a good slogan.. as time passes more and more nations are finding out that it is just a slogan, without deep roots.

    Western nations – UK, Germany, France, Denmark and many others – find that this policy is backfiring on them with immigrants not assimilating, instead becoming Jehadi terrorists. Hegde posted an article about how Muslims wanted to be separate in Germany, finding faults with everything German.

    It is better to deal with the fall-outs of “unity in unity” policy than constantly plugging and adding the outliers in “unity in diversity” situation creating more diversity than unity..

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    manohar_T Reply:

    India is India, our problems are our problems. Europe is Europe and their problems are their problems, let them deal with them the way they wish.

    Unity in Unity – would you care to elaborate?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    Unity in unity is a great idea. You have really put your thinking cap on.Worth exploring.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is so off the mark that it should have been written by Mohan by way of a joke.

    Whilst there are many people who have not assimilated, and they belong to all religions and come from all areas of the world, multi-culturalism is healthy and working. The way it works in each of the European countries is different, but it works.

    This is thinly disguised islamophobic sentiment. Little more than right-wing twaddle.

    I suggest one needs to study the History of USA to appreciate the concept of Unity in Diversity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is multi culturalism also being practiced in some Muslim majority countries and working successfully?

    I thought if we were talking about US and Europe, we might as well talk about the middle-east to get a better perspective!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Egypt and Syria have very old and quite substantial Christian Populations and the society works fine though not free of communal incidents. There still remains a significant Jewish population in Morocco, Algeria, and dare I say Iraq and some even in Iran. Kuwait, UAE have substantial Hindu populations, including Mohanrr. Turkey is quite muti-cultural.

    The issue Ishwar is intolerance. You will find that Muslim Societies are not an issue, but Radical Muslim societies are.

    Time and again we come back to this issue. We need to recognize and condemn Islamic Fundamentalism and not Islam per say.

    I know you see it differently than me, but so be it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wonderful, is there Hindu fundamentalism in any country other than ’secular’ India? Can the same be said about ‘Islamic’ fundamentalism?

    Why do we have ‘Islamic’ fundamentalism in UK (where you live)? Are muslims discriminated as a state policy? What it needs to do to stop the spread of ‘Islamic’ fundamentalism there? Or, it would spread no matter what they do?

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure if you are ranting or asking serious questions.

    Of course there is Hindu Fundamentalism. The RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena are all Hindu Fundo organizations.

    Each of these organizations have their representatives in UK and the USA. Sikh Fundos are much to be found in Canada and were quite active in Canada. Some planted bombs on Indian Airline plane. I will miss out Sri Lanka!!!

    The issue is that YOU only see Islamic fundamentalism because – you know why.

    Islamic Fundamentalism is funded and promoted by Saudi Clergy, but it suits your political view to blame it on Indians. You know precisely why that is.

    So I suggest while you ask me some questions, be prepared to ask yourself some too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My questions haven’t been answered, but, I am happy to leave it for another day. If we get this settled once and for all today, what would we do here tomorrow, and the day after :-) :-)

    Ravi Reply:

    I wonder if they would ever been answered??

    manohar_T Reply:

    To each his own

    Here is an example of Lebanon

    Lebanon is a parliamentary democracy, which implements a special system known as confessionalism.
    This system is intended to deter sectarian conflict and attempts to fairly represent the demographic distribution of the 18 recognized religious groups in government. High-ranking offices are reserved for members of specific religious groups. The President, for example, has to be a Maronite Christian, the Prime Minister a Sunni Muslim, the Speaker of the Parliament a Shi’a Muslim, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Deputy Speaker of Parliament Greek Orthodox.

    Lebanon’s national legislature is the unicameral Parliament of Lebanon. Its 128 seats are divided equally between Christians and Muslims, proportionately between the 18 different denominations and proportionately between its 26 regions.[84] Prior to 1990, the ratio stood at 6:5 in favor of Christians; however, the Taif Accord, which put an end to the 1975–1990 civil war, adjusted the ratio to grant equal representation to followers of the two religions.The Parliament is elected for a four-year term by popular vote on the basis of sectarian proportional representation.

    ==

    They have their concerns and situations. They have to chosen to address them as above. Cannot just condemned it. If it works for them, good for them. If does not, then they will find some other way to do it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Lebanon to avoid any problems has tried to keep everybody
    happy by giving everyone something, yet since last almost
    three decades this country is in the midst of war and terrorism .

    Ravi Reply:

    Largely due to Iran meddling in its affairs via Syria.

    This has to be seen in the context of Shia/Sunni/Christian schism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    My point was that even after trying to please every community/caste/religion, serious problems still persist.

    manohar_T Reply:

    The civil war was more or less got over in 1990. There may be some small pockets where there may be some unrest.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Civil war officially has indeed ended in Lebanon. I am living
    in a country which is very close to Lebanon and many
    Lebanese are staying in UAE. We regularly read about
    shootings and bomb blasts from that country. It is not as
    bad as it was in eighties but it has not really stopped either.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Manohar,

    If high- offices are reserved for members of specific religious groups, why was last official census performed in 1932? How do you figure out the correct Muslim population/percentage there?

    manohar_T Reply:

    That I am not aware of that. They must have found a way to work out the arrangement, which has been accepted by all.

    They had a a long drawn fierce three way civil war (1975 to 1990), which destroyed what can be considered was one of the most liberal countries on earth.

    Ravi is right, Iran & Syria were behind the civil war, may be due to their need to open another front against Israel then.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You seem to be incapable of ridding yourself of your Hindu-phobia, accusing everyone here of Islamophobic sentiment. Better take another assignment from Hafiz Saaeed, away from Bangalore and take yourself away from here for some more days.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I always read what you write. At times it is not possible for me to respond as I ma catching up the blog from my mobile phone. I am sorry for that. Your concerns and gentle behavior always impress me.

    Of course as a student, a person on parental dole and running between libraries, friends, hometown and Delhi– I end up neglecting this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    ” parental dole “. – I liked this expression.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    My father a doctor always says that he is looking forward to the day of the dole– which I am supposed to provide !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    Sorry to say but here my view is different. I wish and hope that
    such situation never arrives in my life that I become compelled to take something from my sons.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure abbu means it as a joke. I had worked for some time– an year in advertising — and nothing gave me more pleasure than buying a ring for my mother and changing the interiors of our old house !

    I am sure your sons would definitely have plans for you. never underestimate the younger gen!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    Of course I am sure your Abu meant this as a joke. All parents
    want only the welfare of their children and your Abu is not
    any different from other parents in this matter.

    I will ask my sons to read this. If they have not planned anything
    than after reading this they may start planning. (: (:

    All the best in your life.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan’s sons would love to buy a net-enabled Samsung 60″ TV for him, so that he can keep writing on this blog and also………..

    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan SIr is lucky then !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I will show this post of yours also to my sons.

  • vijay !

    ==============================================================
    ~~ YAHOOO !! KOI MUJHE JUNGLEE KAHE– kehta hai toh kehta rahe ! :) ~~~
    ===============================================================

    Life is really fun on this blog!!!

    When I left two weeks back I thought I knew what secularism was. Where the state does not interfere with religious belief but intervenes whenever belief clashes with the modern ideal of what is good for humanity. Now Raviji my old pal is suggesting that clinging on to gender inequality, denying women right to education and pushing them onto the way of child bearing from the age of 15 is secularism !

    WOW !! I am now learning new things!

    By the way it was good that God ordained we stay in different countries, even while working. DOnt know what would have happened in case our flights crossed mid-air !

    Arre bhaiya, if this is the view of secularism misguided people have… then I would rather be a Jungli … in their eyes!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Welcome back sir! I was wondering where your voice was lost. Next time when you go away, let us know where you are! However besides pubs, I think I will search for you in jungles now…they are pretty dense ones near Moradabad.

    Vijay, the basic problem with Indian secularism is that it WAS the greatest thing in the world, as long as politicians did not discover that it could be a tool for separating people. View the world fro my eyes. As Muslim I am happy as long as nobody takes away my right to practice my religion and nobody bars me from school, college and jobs on basis on basis of my religion. I am unhappy when my religion is used as a tool to scare people that all people who are Muslims are out to kill or harm others. this has been done time and again– that is communal bullshit.

    But I would certainly want the Indian state to set markers on how my religion needs to be practiced in consonance with a 21st century world. The problem of marriage of underage girls is endemic in us Muslims, the moment you step out 5 kilometers form Delhi. If anybody suggests that true secularism can only be guaranteed by allowing this practice to flourish– he is a fool or just foolish. I would say that less than 50 % of Muslim women are literate– and as Kalbe Sadiq pointed out- 90% of Jain women are educated.

    When I entered the portals of my high flying Management institute– the first thing I did — after confirming my name was there in the admission list– was to see if any Muslim girl had qualified. Sadly there were none.

    Coming from the city of Rober Vadra, who snared the most beautiful girl in India– I think of the many girls from my religion who have been caught in the vicious circle of neglect by the state which does not mow the the fools and the orthodox morons ( mostly Muslims) who want to keep our girls repressed and backward by saying that Muslim girls need early marriages,. little education and Burqa and purdah
    We need the state to be firm on marriage of underage girls

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Parvez

    Thanks!! If you hunt for me in the jungle… look below the mango tree. Nothing like Indian mangoes from UP, this year…. !

    Yaar… yeh batao… yeh saala Robert Vadra kiss mitti ka bana hua thaa… hum dono se Rajkumari cheen kar k le gaya?

    I really loved your observation on looking for girls in the admission llist of college. Reminds me of my time !

    As for education of Muslim girl– guys like you need to be more proactive inside the community. A muslim woman PM one day would be the final victory of our consititution and secularism. But then she needs to come on basis of ability and not on basis of religion. That would never work out.

    Why do you neglect this blog so much. We need more of you here!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I don’t believe that a symbolic appointment of a Muslim woman as PM/president/governor etc would make a difference to the Muslim woman’s status.

    A Najma Heptullah would have made an immensely more graceful PM than a dark, brooding, sleep-prone Deve Gowda. But, would that have made even a tiny bit of difference?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Pervez,
    you have spoken out about what matters to an educated Muslim boy. The picture you have drawn of the Muslim girl is really, really grim. Instead of genuinely facilitating the emancipation of the Muslim woman, our politicians, media, judiciary and even the general public are taking one retrograde step after another, telling the victims that this is for your good ONLY, so grin and bear it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the state is abdicating its duty here. Sati was banned only after the state became proactive. At the end of it– even Hindus are proud that an evil custom has been eradicated.

    I am quite sure that Muslims– after a few years– would be equally proud in case the girls are allowed to to continue education and careers, instead of being forced into early marriage and repression becasue of societal pressures.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Inshah Allah!!!!

    manohar_T Reply:

    “I am unhappy when my religion is used as a tool to scare people that all people who are Muslims are out to kill or harm others. this has been done time and again– that is communal bullshit”.

    I suppose you are aware as to who has been doing this in our midst since long, but more forcefully since 1989.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar_T

    Sir, you are probably much older than me and have seen much more of the world. I only opened my eyes to the world in 1989 !

    Yes I am aware that the BJP has time and again been the antagonistic factor here. However I do feel that Babri Masjid was no big issue for Muslims as has been projected to be. An old building, unused as a mosque or a prayer hall serves me no purpose. Why should it be projected as my victory, in case Muslims retain it?

    In case it is of great importance to Hindus, being the centerpiece of their religious ethos– then it was a reason for building bridges. What is wrong in case a piece of real estate of 3 to 4 acres is given just to build trust?

    I think it has been given too much importance by Muslim orthodoxy though it could be of great importance to Hindu religious belief.

    Thousands of waqf properties all over India were sold for a song. Good negotiations and give and take could have resulted in fostering a united India. I am not responsible for what babar did. My forefathers may have covnerted to escape caste or may have found succour in Islam.

    Today when families have disputes over houses and then resolve it, why have such a huge one over the Babri Masjid or Ram janambhoomi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez
    very good analysis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    You are younger than my both sons. Let me honestly tell you that I have always enjoyed and appreciated you posts.I am sure you have a bright future ahead. Keep it up.

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    After Congress, BSP not to field candidate against Dimple Yadav in Kannauj by-poll

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/After-Congress-BSP-not-to-field-candidate-against-Dimple-Yadav-in-Kannauj-bypoll/articleshow/13864357.cms

    Giving a free run to SP
    nominee Dimple Yadav, wife of Uttar Pradesh chief minister Akhilesh
    Yadav, main opposition BSP today announced not to contest the
    byelections for Kannauj parliamentary constituency.

    ===

    First it was the Congress, then the BJP and now the BSP gives walkover to

    the Yadav family. What is happening?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Indian democracy is great – considering she lost last time!

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  • Anonymous

    Different views by every one on personal laws in India. Loved reading
    everyone’s opinion. Thanks to all Gopiji, Manohar, Ishwar, Shoeb, Ravi, Vijay.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Guilty on many counts, not corrupt

    Harish Khare

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3494081.ece?homepage=true

    I politely excused myself but I was indeed shaken up by the sheer audacity of the charge. What kind of cultivated viciousness have we injected in our polity that a man like Dr. Manmohan Singh is to be labelled “Corrupt”?

    ==

    Now this man is being called “corrupt” by a bunch of self-appointed
    Shankaracharyas who have arrogated to themselves the licence to declare
    someone clean and someone else corrupt. The charge of “corrupt” carries
    with it a suggestion of active collusion in abuse of governmental discretion in exchange for a monetary consideration.

    ==

    Historically, this was the only wise course open to the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) leadership when in 2004 it found itself saddled with the responsibility of governing a country that had been kept on the edge of fear and insecurities during the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) regime. The country — including both the (Hindu) majority and the minorities — had been jolted out of its civilizational equanimity over what happened — rather what was allowed to happen — in Gujarat in 2002; and, that too despite Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s moderating presence. So shaken up was “shining India” that it decided the only way to restore national sanity was to show the NDA the door. Not since 1977 had any incumbent government been as decisively spurned as the BJP-led regime. Never before did a new government have its mandate so unambiguously spelt out: restore sobriety, sanity and decency in public life and among its political leaders.

    ==

    Manmohan Singh is guilty of not marshalling the intellectual and policy
    arguments to tell the nation that Vinod Rai’s maximalist interpretation
    of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India (CAG)’s mandate has
    dangerously undermined the constitutional structure of equilibrium. A
    myopic political class has allowed a wayward CAG to take advantage of
    its divisions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I will once again repeat that Modi should claim royalty from people like
    Mr.Khare and some media houses because their survival depends upon
    bashing Modi. Article is about Anna team leveling corruption charges against MMS but as usual this gentleman could not stop himself from bringing up Gujarat riots.

    Please read this article also.

    Why are we trying to demolish Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev?

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/In-search-of-propriety/entry/why-are-we-trying-to-demolish-anna-hazare-and-baba-ramdev

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Harish Khare is the same person, whom Manmohan Singh threw out from the post of media advisor, in preference to Pankaj Pachauri, a very, very mediocre TV artist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I will give credit to our PM for this action as he was able to
    recognize an idiot.

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Shenoy and Mohan

    A close friend whispered into my ear that harish Khare worked for the HT and was probably Vinod Sharma’s boss…

    manohar_T Reply:

    I will once again repeat that Modi should claim royalty from people like Mr.Khare and some media houses.

    What stops Modi?

    I also have noted the game of shoot-the-messenger is in full swing. What is the score?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I was not trying to shoot the messenger. My response was to the
    article not to the person who had posted here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    this congressi troll has strange logic, besides a total lack of sense of humour.

    He has accused both you and me of shooting the messenger. But, the idiot has forgotten that Harish Khare too has shot the messengers in his article. Instead of discussing the corruption in Manmohan Singh’s government and his own coal ministry, he has vented his spleen on Anna and co, who too are mere messengers telling the world that MMS government is neck deep in corruption.

    manohar_T Reply:

    The messenger is Harish Khare.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    In that case, yes, I did shoot Mr. Khare and have given the reason for that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Khare crosses the boundary of probity when making the statement “rather what was allowed to happen in Gujrat”..I hope Gov of Gujrat will sue this SOB

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  • Anonymous

    @Shan,
    WHY THE HINDUS NEVER DEVELOPED A SENSE OF NATIONHOOD OR IDENTITY NATIONALITY.

    Did you finish Al-Biruni’s book? Was it he who made the naming ceremony for
    us and called us “Hindu”s?. I am a Hindu, I visit a (Gujarati) Hindu temple outside India on Dushera day. When Garba dance starts, my stiff south Indian
    body feels so out of place. Regional unions (Kannada, Tamil, Bong associations)
    are better. But problem is for Muslims from these regions. They hesitate to take part in Ugadi celebration by regional association, nor can identify themselves with Pakistanis (Punjabis) in Eid. To have both (Regional+Religional identity), the number is few. Hence, they opt for religion. This is the reason, why I prefer our epics, festivals to be above Hindu/Muslim things. Durga Puja in Calcutta is Bengal culture. Not just a Hindu. (Dushera in Karnataka is totally different).

    “The caste system made sure there was NEVER A UNIFIED HINDU
    IDENTITY/CONSCIOUSNESS… ”
    We Hindus don’t even have a common new year. It starts on Diwali, Ugadi, Vishu.. Why should we change ourselves to copy Christians and Muslims? What will be the identity of a multicultural society? Our identity lies in our diversity. Our “religion” is the oldest form of multicultural society surviving till now. A society where a vegetarian community and another which offered blood to their God could co-exist barely few lanes away in the same village for thousands of years, without interfering or imposing each others practices. Who was the prophet? Which book guided us all? It is only the unwritten “live and let live” policy which has brought us together this far. Will lead us in future too.

    “The raw sewage caste may be reason , for …”
    Aaahh! This blog will not be the same blog, without these equations. Brahmin=Raw Sewage/Zionists, BJP= communal, RSS/Hindutva=LeT/Taliban, Modi = Hitler, Congressi = Dynasty/Gulaami/Italy Mafia.
    I miss these, whenever I am away :-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Vinay,

    I have read this post four times now. I want to remember every word written here for the rest of my life. Your posts appear roughly once a month and when you write, you silence everyone else around. Brilliant!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    you need to print it from the web and FRAME it in your bedroom .
    The defence against “raw sewage” is the one that warmed your cockles

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi
    In discussion on Uniform Civil Code, you said “I hold no brief for Islam or the other cultures. I am all for gender parity among all communities. I am against the imposition of it by the majority community….”

    Hindu marriage bill, introduced in 1948 which outlawed polygamy was opposed by Hindu traditionalists. Provisions dealing with inter caste marriages, divorce procedures, adoption and maintenance Bill, the Hindu Succession Bill (which gives same rights for daughters in family property inheritance) all have met resistance. But government went ahead. Why it did not do so for others? If the same law extends to all communities, how does this become “Imposition by majority”? Who imposed the rules on “majority” then? If it is government, does that mean government is beyond only “Majority” and not “Minority”?

    In our secular country, asking for a UCC is a meaner thing than asking for Sharia laws in Pakistan, because it is endorsed by RSS which is equal to Al-Qaida.
    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-08-16/india/28306685_1_muslim-women-muslim-community-hindu-community

    Yes, there are examples of polygamy still practiced among Hindus (we have an ex-CM recently), just like many offenders roaming freely despite law. But offenders exist despite the rule cannot be an excuse not to have a rule at all. (Some killers are roaming freely. So let us make killing not a criminal offense).

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Thx VInay for a historical perspective.

    i am running thru the names of the ex CM’s ( karuna?) to find out who this guy was…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    karunanidhi has three wives.. He is quite impartial, since he got all his children from all the wives into politics. He must be thinking he should have married more!

    But it seems he likes Kanimozhi the most, having inherited his literary skills.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I salute this person Mr. Karunanidhi for marrying and managing three women.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since for the irst time in my life, I need hair dyes… i am wondering if karunanidhi uses hair dyes at 89 or is it his natural virilty whicih make his hair jet black?

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is Kumaraswamy (Devegowda’s son). Obviously unofficial!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not exactly related with the above. I read one of your post supporting Satyameva Jayate. It did not surprise me like it did for other bloggers; you have always tried to highlight the underbelly of Indian society which is also the theme of Satyamev Jayathe. I thought, you would have supported the programme irrespective of who is the anchor, Shabana or Arundhati Roy. But I was just wondering would “we” the right wingers have taken it in the same spirit, if it was to be hosted by the other two? In a day or so you clarified, you would have taken the same stand even if the anchor was Shabana. I am still wondering, how I could exactly get what you feel. Ashish, sorry mate. I am trying hard not to make your linear equation into a triangle :)

    But the show does point how powerful Amir is. Not many can say what people don’t like to hear and still be loved.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Shabana can be very reasonable and be equally convincing, just like Amir Khan. But, Arundhati? Oh, No. She will smear the TV screen, week after week with her thundering rhetoric, pet isms etc.

    SHe is also capable of making your TV explode with a powerful Maoist landmine.

    Most important: there will be no sponsors for her shows.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You may be right. People could have accepted Shabana (Though I should admit, I would have struggled). Just wanted to say, sometimes our personal biases override the issues.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometimes only ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Welcome back.

    Agree with your all points except one where you have equated RSS with
    Al Qaida. You have committed blasphemy by doing this. Al Qaida is
    a tiny group of people who are trying to be recognized as a major
    terrorist organization by sometimes using Diwali crackers to scare
    few people. Where as RSS is the biggest terrorist organization in the world
    who very soon are going to fulfill their dream of Akhand Bharat. Sri Lanka,
    Pakistan, Afghanistan, Myanmar and Nepal will come in this fold.
    Regressive Hindu laws will be imposed, non Hindus will be
    disenfranchised and will be declared as second or third class citizens of this Akhand Bharat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Mr Vinay meant it as a sarcastic comment!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So was mine.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your sarcasm, in comparison, is tinged with sweet reasonableness.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay
    I believe pushing the Hindu stuff first assuming others will follow was a blunder (Along with many other blunders) Panditji made. As I maintain, the country was physically cut in 1947, and thousands of cuts were made since then because we did not have the courage to draft an Indian constitution

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    As soon as you ask me a specific question or you say something – sarcastic or otherwise – that I disagree with, then I will respond.

    Till then I appreciate your valued contribution.

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  • Anonymous

    @Shenoy,
    I do have issues regarding Sonia Gandhi. Not because of her Italian origin, but for her (lack of) knowledge. Whether Italy allows an Indian origin president does not bother me. Since when this country has become our role model? If I had felt she is efficient, I would have supported her. My resistance to Sonia is not greater or lesser than my resistance to Rabri Devi.

    In UK, government collects tax from everyone and takes care of everyone’s medical expenses. Just because one gets a treatment at government expense (which is tax payers money), one does not need to disclose his/her illness. It is treated confidential. One can ask how Sonia (or any other leader) could use tax payer’s money to treat her illness, but cannot question on her right of confidentiality.

    Shenoyji, if you have a different take on her I have no problem with it. But I felt the need to register my protest as I couldn’t ignore these words of you..
    “A bar-maid, in Italy, who routinely got her bottom pinched and private parts groped, can also tell the people of India that she had breast cancer and the government sent her for a costly operation….”
    They are cheap, … just cheap.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    I agree they are cheap and I would normally not use them even for Rabri Devi, despite the fact that she once called her governor a cripple.

    But Sonia Gandhi is different. She is a fraud, despite the thick veneer of respectability, honour and injured innocence bountifully wrapped around her by her very protective guards.

    Look at her birth, look at her upbringing, look at her lack of education and culture. Look at her corruption, lack of scruples, how she helped Q get away, her posturing for the PM’s job in 2004. All point to one thing: She is a fraud.

    AND I AGREE YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO TOTALLY DIFFER WITH ME, OR DIFFER ONLY WITH THE INTENSITY OF MY STATEMENTS.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic rant of a total looser.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    “A bar-maid, in Italy, who routinely got her bottom pinched and private
    parts groped, can also tell the people of India that she had breast
    cancer and the government sent her for a costly operation….”
    They are cheap, … just cheap.

    ==

    Bang on target. But it is not going to make an iota of difference to him. He will keep coming up with even cheaper shots at people who he hates and despises. Shows to what depths he can go down to. Speaks volumes about his own character (rather total lack of it).

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    Ravi Reply:

    So now you too know how low he can sink.

    I appreciate your effort to maintain some quality in this blog.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Not surprising is the thundering silence from others. Seems, they approve of his despicable posts. Period.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am not surprised.

    Had they wanted to register their displeasure, they would have done so before.

    This is not the first time Vinay has taken exception to BVS’s posts. He has done so before. I appreciated it then and I doubly appreciate now.

  • Anonymous

    Parvez

    Justice Kumari Fathima Beevi from kerala – the first woman judge of Indian supreme court, the first woman judge of any supreme court in Asia, the first Muslim woman judge of any high courts in India – remained a spinster because 1)educated Muslim men were few 2) educated Muslim men did not want to marry powerful women… I guess it happens in many groups.. For a long time, many educated Ezhava ( sub sect of Hindus in kerala) women holding medical, legal, engineering professions remained unmarried.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I wpuld have definately married her in case I was in the same age bracket !

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  • vijay !

    ===============================================================
    ~~ Nothing like getting drunk in the house of Mother India ~~~~
    ================================================================

    yeh jaam MOther India ke naam!!

    After a break it was really good to be back in the groove!! This blog is roaring— and my friends are at my house~~~ So I raise a toast for all, friends, not so friends and country men– as I get drunk today !!

    Jai hind !!

    Mohan… I’ll wait for ur joke when I get up in the morning !!!

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Khalistan slogans raised, death row convict ‘honoured’ at Akal Takht
    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/khalistan-slogans-raised-death-row-convict-honoured-at-akal-takht/958690/

    Amidst separatist slogans and “honouring” of death row convict Balwant Singh Rajoana, the 28th anniversary of Operation Bluestar to flush out militants from Sikh holy shrine the Golden Temple, was today observed at Akal Takht, the highest temporal seat, an event from which Punjab’s ruling Shiromani Akali Dal kept away. The event passed off peacefully.

    To mark the occasion, bricks for a controversial memorial for those who were killed in the operation by security forces were laid by the five Sikh head priests along with Jathedar Akal Takht Gyani Gurbachan Singh and SGPC President Avtar Singh Makkar.

    ==

    The family members of Bhindrawale were also honoured by Jatehdar Akal Takht.

    GPC and Jatehdar Akal Takht conferred the title of `living martyr to Balwant Singh Rajona who has been convicted for killing former Punjab Chief Minister Beant Singh and sentenced to death, a punishment upheld by the Supreme Court also.

    ==
    BJP, an alliance partner in the state government led by SAD, has opposed the memorial saying such a move could encourage hardliners in the state.

    Punjab Pradesh Congress Committee President Amarinder Singh warned Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal and Sukhbir against “playing with peace” in Punjab.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is an extension of UP politics where Sonia was said to have cried , weeped and mourned for the dead terrorists who killed martyr MC Sharma and killed innocents.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just a thought. Somthing which starts with different personal laws may end at asking for separation from country.
    Does it end at this or more demands may come?

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is nothing short of communal politics.

    Sikhs feel such a strong urge to carve out a strong and distinct identity for themselves that they are prepared to; adopt failed tactics of communal politics, veer away from the teachings of Guru Nanak and resort to terrorist tactics.

    Bhindrawalle was a fundo, a congress created Frankanstine, which broke free and then unleashed unnecessary havoc in Punjab.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The division of Punjab state into Punjab and Haryana was the first pressure induced division in independent India, in mid 1960s. Many other pressure induced divisions followed.

    The central govt should not have divided Punjab 15-20 years after the painful partition of 1947, the pain of which was disproportionately borne by Punjabis.

    It was an appeasement decision; and as we have seen there and elsewhere, appeasement only creates further divide.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Indian politicians have always been cowards. The cave in instead of fighting against the wrong unreasonable demands. Their is no
    foresight in their thinking, monster of Khalistan may rise again
    if no bold and decisive action is taken.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    We need to remember that a mainstream party like the COngress shed crocodile tears for the terrorists of Batla house for vote back purposes. The Akalis are only learning from them.

  • Anonymous

    I have a daughter in college. We spend considerable time discussing how and what are he best career opitions. CA or MBA? Bank or IAS?

    I shudder to think that some people are planning to marry their daughers at 15!

    There has to be an end to foolishness becasue fo political correctness.

    Gautam Chikername has given a very good blog. I at the risk of being voluminous and sutpid am pasting it here,,
    ======================================

    a 15-year-old Muslim girl is in tune with the law — a sense of unease has gripped the nation. At a time when education is being given so much importance, do we really want our daughters to be married, to bear children and spend their time in their rearing rather than in pursuing knowledge or expressing themselves through work? On the other hand, why should the State or society enter into our homes to decide when our children should marry? Troubling issues.
    The issue goes beyond age. With the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences Act (PCSOA) that was passed by Parliament last month, the age of consensual sex has risen to 18 from 16. This has been termed as undemocratic and regressive by a sessions court that said raising the age would act as a tool for the police to harass minors. The court recognised that teenagers between 16 and 18 can, and do, have consensual sex. The Muslim law that has held puberty or 15 as the age for marriage, therefore, is fine as far as biology is goes.
    The bigger issue is social, notably women’s empowerment. ”According to Muslim law, the girl is ready to be married if her parents, particularly the mother, feels that she has attained the age of puberty,” Imam Umer Ahmed Ilyasi, president of All India Organisation of Imams of Mosques said. What about education, I asked him. ”There is no relationship between education and marriage,” he said. ”If you say that a girl should finish her MBA or PhD and then marry, it is wrong because there are needs of nature that would push the children towards gunah, sin.” Sin, as in premarital sex, I asked. ”Yes.”
    So, sex per se is fine, it’s just that it should not happen out of religious wedlock, in which case it becomes a deadly sin. Here, I think religions need to rethink their codes and preferably evolve. Premarital sex — a ’sin’ that all religions abhor even today — has gained legal and even social legitimacy and acceptance in most cosmopolitan areas in a globalised world. Religions must follow or be ready to be left behind and watch the faithful young women and men turn into mass sinners, even as they proudly hold on to their faiths. Parents may not like it, but to turn away from the truth wearing the garb of religion in an age of science is silly. Worse, those most affected by it — the young — have no voice in deciding what religion is.
    Perhaps this law was fine in the past when mortality rates were half or a third of today’s and the natural urgency to procreate as many and as fast as possible was the force driving societies organised around religions. Marrying early was valid then and across religions — Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Hebrew. Religion, then, had a role. But if yesterday’s faith has become today’s dogma, if different communities have different ages of marriage, the model becomes a little flawed and creates a foolish disharmony — a Muslim girl can marry at 15 but not a Christian. Or imagine what happens in inter-faith marriages or sexual relations, surely you can’t hold just one participant guilty.
    The debate is wider and finally ends around this question: should there be a Uniform Civil Code for all citizens of India, irrespective of their faiths? ”The State shall endeavour to secure for the citizens a uniform civil code throughout the territory of India,” directive principle of state policy No 44 states. This was the aspiration of those who wrote the Constitution. Should we move towards it? The jury is out on that one.
    (No Ratings Yet)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ignorance is bliss. Chikermane’s blog is full of ignorance
    1.Girls used to get married early in PRIMITIVE and PREMODERN societes
    SO DID BOYS.Because LIFE EXPECTANCY WAS 45YRSor less
    Though prophet got married when he was 25 and his wife 40
    The law of increasing the age of consent is not unique to india
    IT HAS RECENTLY HAPPENED IN UK
    It is to protect girls FROM THEIR TEACHERS IN SCHOOL ETC
    The problem of carnal engagement between teenagers has also been a topic of discussion in UK
    The simple solution is it to make it legal sex between consenting teenagers till age 18
    As for MUSLIM PERSONALLAW board , they will stew their quom in obscurantism , BUT WILL MAKE A BEELINE FOR VIAGRA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think times have changed and life expectancy almost 66 in India.

    So in tune with modern day times, marriage age sould be at least 18 for girls.

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  • Anonymous

    vinay, As much I appreciate your effort to bandy the old chestnut “multicultarism ” as one great indian virtue, the reality is tad different.There is no denying INDIANS ARE THE LEAST PATRIOTIC PROPLE ON PLANET EARTH. That is why we see the callous indifference to the suffering of fellow indians.that is why the lumpens masquerading as political cadres indulge in wanton destruction of govt property, that is why .0000001% indians ever take part in charitable work. or donate to charity(they do donate to Tirupati like the bacchans donated ONE CRORE worth of jewels , not a paisa to open a hospital).
    The historian R C MAJUMDER had commented IF EVERY INDIA PICKED UP A STONE AND THREW AT THE ENGLISH , THEY WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO DISEMBARK FROM THE SHIP)
    think about it , why it didn’t happen
    Contrast it with the SPANISH ARMADA trying to invade england.
    In the days when there was no telegraph,englishmen lined themself every few miles , so if anyone spots a “FOREIGN” ship it will be relayed all the way to london

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan-
    My understanding is that Chinese do not engage in much charity either. However, they are quite patriotic, constantly worried about foreigners taking over them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    shoeb, nehru said”there is nothing to fear from chinese nationalism , but plenty to fear from CHINESE NATIONALISM
    Chinese society is based on teachings of confuscius,which says “love your country , respect your elder AND THE GREATEST VIRTUE IS ORDER IN SOCIETY.
    Oh a small thing , they neither have the encumbrance of religion or god. THEY BELEIVE IN ANCESTOR WORSHIP.
    little that i have read , i understand CHINESE LOVE FAMILY AND CHILDREN AND AS FAMILY UNIT, ARE EXTREEMELY PEACE LOVING , WHEREAS CHINESE STATE HAS ALWAYS BEEN REPRESSIVE AND VIOLENT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    sorry it ought to be “Nothing to fear from Chinese Communism ,but plenty to fear from chinese nationalism”

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is wrong to brand ‘being uncharitable’ as a common Indian trait.

    There are millions who do charity work silently.

    Yes, there are millions too who would squirm at the word ‘patriotism’. There are a few on this blog itself.

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  • Anonymous

    To joke samrat MohanR and shenoy BV
    A plane crashed on an island . The survivors were TWO german men and one german woman, same ratio with POLISH , ITALIAN , UKRANIAN, FRENCH AND INDIAN.always two men and one woman from each of these countries.
    The Italian became violent over the possesion of the girl , kileed the girl and killed each other.
    The GERMAN made a strict ROTA between themselves
    who is going to sleep with the girl
    The POLISH ran away lest they have to speak to the girl
    The FRENCH made it into a threesome “menage trois”
    The UKRANIANS started to pimp and offer the girl to other men
    The INDIANS kept discussing among themselves , how to get over their shyness and approach the girl

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Good one. That’s what Indians are. (:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If the surviving girl is a Punjabi, she would herself approach the preferred man first.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That punjabi girl will lure thefat one wearing GOLD ROLEX, and rob him,and then lay with the hunky one from gladrags show

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan, Ravi, Manohar -
    I read about your notes on Punjab/Khalistan.
    I was asking my friend about whether any state in the US has been divided since they declared independence from Great Britain.
    He said each individual state constitution prevents the state from splitting; with Texas (a later incorporation) being the only one that can mutate. I am told there was a move in mid 90s to split Texas so a potential permanent republican senate majority as well as a possible permanent republican presidency could be established. Texas is heavily Republican; so, if they divide there will be two more Republican senators, and three more electoral votes for Presidency.

    May be Rajiv and Binoy can throw some light on whether there was any pressure to divide states, by aggrieved parties such as Southern blacks, or native Indians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Thanks. A good information.

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  • Anonymous

    It has been scientifically proved that activity of sex burn calories.
    This is the breakdown of every activity and the amount of calories it burns.

    Lying down : 90 calories
    Standing : 491 calories.
    Doggy style : 634 calories
    2nd round : 837 calories
    During sex wife knocks at the door : 10000 calories.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    To save 10000 calories (which can be used up in subsequent “burnings”), knock down the wife first and then begin the “burning”.

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  • Anonymous

    Anybody from West Bengal/or anybody who may know about this:

    I read in a local New York Indian newspaper that the Mamta administration has decided to pay a monthly salary to the Mosque Imams from the state treasury . Only for Imams/Mullahs; but not to Hindu temple priests, or Budhist priests, or Jain priests (my assumption is that Christian priests must be getting paid by the church organization)

    Is this true? Was this accepted by Benaglis without any strikes and hartals?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    Here is the link .

    http://www.theeasternpost.org/more_cover.php?id=129

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    in Karnataka too, the government pays monthly salaries to the Imams.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy, That is absolutely true , AND THAT IS HER TRUMP CARD, for muslims used to vote en masse and kept the VILE CPM party in power for 35 yrs.The CPM on its own never got more than 30% vote ,but due to a grand alliance with six other left SCUMS always manged to EDGE forward, AND MUSLIM VOTE (they are 24% of the population) PLAYED A DECISIVE ROLE.
    Though to counter or pacify HINDU vote , she went to Kapil Muni’s Ashram ,at the confluence of ganga and bay of bengal , known as SAGAR, and promised all sorts of goodies.
    WEST BENGAL IS DOOMED , all the bright minds will fill your bangaluru and enrich it along with several other states.
    Also this MAMATA is turning out to be a CPM IN SARI. She is displaying all the characteristics of a spinster. She is essentially VERY VERY VERY limited intellectually , GUIDED EXCLUSIVELY BY IMPULSE AND EMOTION.
    All she needs is to step back and LISTEN to an array of EXTREEMELY INTELLIGENT people /advisors THAT STILL ABOUND IN WEST BENGAL

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Finally you have accepted and described Mamta aptly. I hope she will
    realize her limitations and will start taking advise from the right people
    and will also act on those advises.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    I am not familiar with the facts underlying this story.

    However, I have a question for you?

    Who would you prefer to be the paymaster of this Imam.

    WB Government or the Saudi Government?

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  • Anonymous

    Newly married couple .

    Husband : I have been waiting for this day.
    Wife : Do you want me to leave ?
    Husband : No
    Wife : Do you love me?
    Husband : Of course
    Wife : Will you ever cheat on me ?
    Husband : Never in my life
    Wife: Will you ever kiss me ?
    Husband: Every chance I get
    Wife : Will you hit me ?
    Husband : Are you crazy !
    Wife : Can I trust you?
    Husband: Yes
    Wife : Sweatheart !!

    Few years after marriage.
    Just read from bottom to top.

    Good morning friends.

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  • Anonymous

    Doctor rape report, say ‘Trinamool’ goons

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Doctor-rape-report-say-Trinamool-goons/articleshow/13882387.cms

    TAMLUK (EAST MIDNAPORE): A surgeon who performed the marathon autopsies in the Nandigram killings is living in terror after being allegedly threatened by Trinamool Congress leaders to alter the post-mortem report in a suspected rape and murder of a minor girl in Tamluk, East Midnapore.

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  • Anonymous

    If you ever feel a little bit stupid, just dig this up and read
    it again;
    you’ll begin
    to think you’re a genius……
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    (On September 17, 1994, Alabama’s Heather Whitestone was selected as Miss
    America 1995.)

    Question: If you could
    live forever, would you and why?

    Answer: “I would not live forever, because we should not live
    forever,
    because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would
    live
    forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not
    live forever,”
    –Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA
    contest.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “Whenever
    I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the
    world, I can’t help
    but cry. I mean I’d love to be skinny like that,
    but not with all those
    flies and death and stuff.”
    –Mariah
    Carey
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “Smoking
    kills. If you’re killed, you’ve lost a very important part of
    your
    life,”
    — Brooke Shields, during an interview to become spokesperson
    for
    federal anti-smoking
    campaign
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “I’ve
    never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body,”
    –Winston
    Bennett, University of Kentucky basketball
    forward.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “Outside
    of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates
    in the
    country,”
    –Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC
    .
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “That
    lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass,
    and I’m just
    the one to do it,”
    –A congressional candidate in Texas
    .
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “Half
    this game is ninety percent mental.”
    –Philadelphia Phillies manager, Danny
    Ozark
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “It
    isn’t pollution that’s harming the environment. It’s the
    impurities in our
    air and water that are doing it..”
    –Al Gore, Vice
    President
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “We’ve
    got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?”
    –Lee
    Iacocca
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “The
    word “genius” isn’t applicable in football. A genius is a guy
    like Norman
    Einstein.”
    –Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports
    analyst.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “We
    don’t necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of
    people.”
    — Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC
    Instructor.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “Your
    food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we
    received notice
    that you passed away. May God bless you. You may
    reapply if there is a
    change in your circumstances.”
    –Department of Social Services, Greenville ,
    South
    Carolina
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “Traditionally, most of Australia
    ’s imports come from overseas.”
    –Keppel
    Enderbery
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    “If
    somebody has a bad heart, they can plug this jack in at night as
    they go to
    bed and it will monitor their heart throughout the night.
    And the next
    morning, when they wake up dead, there’ll be a record.”
    — Mark S. Fowler,
    FCC
    Chairman

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is good to have a hearty laugh before going for your daily ‘boring’
    routine work. Thanks.

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  • Anonymous

    Two songs to Pathakji to remind him that he is missing in action:

    Kar Ke Badnaam Meri Neendein Haraam Kahaan Chala Gaya tu kahan chala gaya

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cvoR91p29g

    vo chup rahen to mere dil ke daag jalate hain
    jo baat kar len to bujhate charag jalate hain

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJl-_XWwwpE

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  • Anonymous

    Chidambaran to face trial in 2009 election case.

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  • Anonymous

    No one can see beyond a choice they don’t understand.

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  • Anonymous

    Seems everybody is busy today except me. Since nothing is happening on this
    blog, I am posting an email which I had received about two weeks ago without
    any comment from my side.
    ——-

    MY INDIA Ajab Desh Ki >>> Gajab Kahani

    1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.
    2. Pizza reaches home faster than an Ambulance and Police.
    3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.
    4. Students with 45% get in elite institutions thru quota system and
    those with 90% get
    out because of merit.
    5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating
    the money to any
    charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are
    still a poor country
    where people starve for 2 square meals per day.
    6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but
    vegetables, that we
    eat, are sold on the footpath.
    7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the
    path to be
    famous.
    8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year
    while public transport
    bridges alone take several years to be completed.
    9. Where we make lemon juices with artificial flavors and dish wash
    liquids with real
    lemons.
    Think about it!If you cross the The North Korean border illegally,you
    get ….. 12 years hard labour in an isolated prison …..
    If you cross the Iranian border illegally, you get ….. detained
    indefinitely …..If you cross the Afghan border illegally , you
    get ….. shot ……If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally,
    you get …… jailed ….If you cross the Chinese border illegally,
    you get ….. kidnapped and may be never heard of – again …If you
    cross the Venezuelan border illegally, you get ….. branded as a spy
    and your fate sealed ….If you cross the Cuban border illegally, you
    get ….. thrown into a political prison to rot ….. If you cross the
    British border illegally , you get ….. arrested, prosecuted, sent
    to prison and be deported after serving your sentence …..Now ….
    If you were to cross the Indian border illegally, you get …..
    1. A ration card
    2. A passport ( even more than one – if you please ! )
    3. A driver’s license
    4. A voter identity card
    5. Credit cards
    6. A Haj subsidy
    7. Job reservation
    8. Special privileges for minorities
    9. Government housing on subsidized rent
    10. Loan to buy a house
    11. Free education
    12. Free health care
    13. A lobbyist in New Delhi , with a bunch of media morons anda
    bigger bunch of
    human rights activists promoting your cause 14. The right to
    talk about secularism which you have not heard about in your own
    country15. And of-course voting rights to elect corrupt
    politicians who will promote your
    community for their selfish interest in securing your votes
    !!! 16. And right to fight election for MLA or MP Hats off ….. to
    the ……
    A. Corrupt and communal Indian politicians
    B. The inefficient and corrupt Indian police force
    C. The silly pseudo-secularists in India , who promote traitors
    staying here
    D. The amazingly lenient Indian courts and legal system.
    That’s why people like Afzal Guru are still alive,same will
    happen with Kasab. E. WE self centered Indian citizens, who are
    not bothered about the dangers to our
    own country.
    F. The illogically brainless human-rights activists, who think
    that terrorists deserve
    to be dealt with by archaic laws meant for an era, when
    human beings were
    human beings.
    THE LEAST U CAN DO IS FORWARD THIS TO ALL –
    INCREDIBLE INDIA …!
    Best Regards,
    Indian…..!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, the best i have ever read.
    The chinese border crossers are abducted and then undergo surgery to remove their heart kidney pancreas for transplantation. Then they are FREE TO GO

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    Ravi Reply:

    Good Morning Mohan

    What happens when a poor man crosses the following borders between?

    1. Nepal and India

    2. Bhutan and India

    3. Kenya and Tanzania

    4. Botswana and Mozambique

    5. Panama and Costa Rica

    6. Venezuela and Columbia

    7. Georgia and Azerbaijan

    8. Denmark and Germany

    9. Norway and Sweden

    10. Egypt and Libya

    11. Libya and Chad

    12. Mali and Burkina Faso

    13. Vietnam and Cambodia

    14. Thailand and Laos

    15. Mongolia and Russia

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Please don’t get riled up. I have mentioned that I am posting this
    email which I had received about two weeks ago without any comments
    from my side only because nothing was happening on this blog
    and nobody had reacted to my jokes also.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    You can not rile me.

    Just wanted your views.

    You do not post anything innocently and neither do I.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    You want my views on all those border crossing from me? Bhai
    mere I am not that knowledgeable.

    Ravi Reply:

    Open your mind and pick-up a book. You will have the ride of your life.

    Pay particular attention to what the nomadic Masai do on the borders of Tanzania and Kenya.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Other day Mahesh suggested a book Fooled by Randomness
    and Shoeb suggested Black Swan, I have got both the books
    and am reading one of those. Gopji had suggested few which
    I have asked my son to order. Now you are suggesting one more. It seems I will have to stop reading my regular fictions by Jeffery Archer, John Grisham, Micheal Connelly and others,

    Ravi Reply:

    No I am not a evangelist, I did not recommend any particular book. Just BOOKS. What one reads is more revealing of one’s soul than what one writes is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometime I don’t understand what you are trying to say. By
    just BOOK are trying to say some religious book like Bible?

    Ravi Reply:

    No I am not, just any BOOK. I am not religious.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1. The bigger problem is to find a poor in either Norway or Sweden. The question of their crossing the border and its consequences doesn’t arise :-)

    2. Botswana n Mozambique don’t share a border :-)

    Found it in a BOOK !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Poverty is relative and I can assure you African Tribesmen walk from Botswana to Mozambique not once knowing where the border is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Yes, Majboori kuch bhi kara sakti hai.

    It is like when Idi Amin had thrown out all the Indians from his country and when asked how will they go back to India he replied ” Indians are good swimmers they can reach India by swimming “

    Ravi Reply:

    There is a good example of African Nationalism.

    African tribesmen do not recognize country borders. Borders is not a concept commonly understood by uneducated poor people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Let me come back to our old topic where we always differ.
    I am asking you without any intentions, just your sincere views.

    You just now wrote about African Nationalism and we have
    have many times heard about British and American Nationalism.
    No one suspects anything when we hear these terms but when
    ever someone talks about Indian nationalism, I always hear about Hinduvatta and stuff like sloganeering patriotism.
    Why this difference and why it cannot be accepted as a genuine
    patroitism. ? I have no problem if you do not bother to reply.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    African Nationalism is very very weak and poses no threat to
    anyone.

    English Nationalism is virulent but quite small and used to
    manifest itself mainly as anti-immigration and anti-Europe. Recently its focus has changed to being anti-Muslim.

    Answer to your main question is that in India we have two,
    possibly three types of National Identities and therefore different nationalisms.

    There is the Secular Nationalism, of which Bhagat Singh
    would be one example.

    Then there is the Religious Nationalism of which Veer
    Sarvarkar would be a prime example and all those who follow is Hindutva agenda.

    Then there is less pronounced – but growing – is the
    Regional Nationalism.

    The issue is that a concerted effort is being made by the
    Hindu Right to diffuse the distinction between Hindu Religious Nationalism and Secular Nationalism, by equating Hindu nationalism with Indian Nationalism.

    Secular Nationalists are no less patriot than Hindu
    Nationalists. I am sure that you would agree that Indira Gandhi was no less Indian Patriot than Vajpai.

    The rest is just Gali Giloj of the most despicable type

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    Thanks.
    I am going home for lunch and today being Thursday I won’t be
    able to visit this blog till late evening, will respond later or
    tommorow.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Seeped as this fake is in Pakistani history, he believes that there is a border between Botswana and Mozambique.

  • Anonymous

    Ravi,

    I am posting some more ‘innocently’.

    This I am copy pasting from another website PTH which our friend Dr. Mishra
    used to visit regularly. This is what one of the blogger there has to say about
    Pakistanis.
    —-

    Muslim is superior simply having born or convert to Islam.
    They have to
    lie about Hinduism to make themselves better.
    They have to lie about history
    of subcontinent.
    They have to pretend they belong here but look west for
    direction.
    They would adopt the arab culture if there was one. Arabs have
    less culture than Americans. At least Americans have no problem stealing other
    peoples culture.
    Their God has ordained their victory yet told them to
    shun
    current life in order to find true happiness after life.
    Convert
    others even though you hate them but then magically you love them after
    conversion and their God’s power expands.
    They can’t even mention that Jinnah
    was a shia in their history books.
    or that he drank the poison of Shiva made
    in Scotland aged for 12 years.
    Jinnah was only leader because British chose him to be the muslim
    representative. Once the country was founded british weren’t around to tell him
    what to do. He was 71 when he died. Yet somehow he was to survive few more years
    to save secularism.
    That how much superior they are so why worry what is secular when Islam
    doesn’t allow that.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Was his name BVS, by any chance. This is very much his ISHTYLE

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have that web site open on another window and was surprised to
    see the name. It is Superior Muslim.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Insane nationalism knows no borders, and no religion…

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are wrong; insane jehadi Muslims do not believe in any borders; but only in religion , in pan-Islamic Caliphate, empire whatever-

    Ravi Reply:

    In what way what I say is different.

    Are you saying Muslim Jihadi’s are insane – which is true. But Hindu Terrorists – of which there are many – are saints and cow butter doesn’t melt in their mouths.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am saying insane religion – a ka extremist Muslim jehadis – do not have any borders. I have not seen any insane nationalism/nationalists claiming countries beyond their borders – I mean in my life time, and in recent history (post second worldwar)

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure of your point. But I will have a go any way.

    I think what you are trying to say (we have discussed this before) is that the Islamist Terrorism has two (overlapping) faces.

    1. Against the WEST. This is Islamists VS West, both those concepts are supra national and therefore cross border violence is its hall mark. The Islamists attack the US (and other targets in the west) and US/West/Nato goes after them in various Muslim Countries.

    2. Pakistan Islamists who see India and Hinduism as its enemies (for historical reasons) this results in cross Indo/PAK border violence perpetrated by Pakistani Jihadis. I see this as a low intensity deniable WAR between India and Pakistan.

    On the other side the Hindu Terrorists see any Muslims as their enemy and because plenty of Muslims are available just round the corner within India, then these Hindu Terrorists have no need to go across the border to achieve their objectives.

    ALL RELIGION INSPIRED VIOLENCE IS INSANE

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistani Islamists are going after everyone–not just Indians. They are the central training place for Muslims everywhere. Your equivocating Jehadi terrorism and its pan-Islamic empire vision to Hindu terrorism (if there is one like that) is simply pathetic, actually more autistic

    Ravi Reply:

    That is pure Humbug. Your grasp of the essential issues and its undercurrents is that of someone who is anti Islam no matter what.

    So nothing new and nothing has changed. Islamist violence is very visible to you and you are blind to HINDU TERRORISM

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy has described your jihad much better than I ever did or could”autistic”. Fantastic!!!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    To a paranoid idiot every one else seems autistic.

    And I am still relishing the cracking sound of a करारा धप्ड that Vinay registered on your chomps.

    That was a delight to behold and that too not for the first time.

    You are lying toad and an un-reformed Hindu Terrorist

    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not have the kind of understanding of the scarred psyche of a true Muslim this piece displays with supreme disregard for grammar or syntax.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Not surprising considering that you yourself are a psychotic twerp

    Anonymous Reply:

    But you are a confirmed autistic!
    Your nonsense is funnily fantastic,
    your dreams are bhayanak-futuristic
    your jihad is laughably simplistic.

    Ravi Reply:

    You are a paranoid Hindu Fanatic

    All your ideas are incredibly pathetic.

    You lie a lot, and your lies are chronic

    All you ever touch turns to septic

    Just to demonstrate that it does not take much to churn out nursery rhymes, as you do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Autistic child that you are, what else can you do?

    Ravi Reply:

    Shove a base ball bat up your arse, just for fun

    Anonymous Reply:

    You can ask your bosom pal engrich to do that for you. Bechara, he is feeling so neglected!

    Ravi Reply:

    Just as you are recovering from the love bite given to you by Vinay

    Anonymous Reply:

    But nothing like getting a dose of your own medicine from the fellow jihadi.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean just like when Vijay Raja put one up your jaxy

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nothing, nothing at all, like getting a dose of your own medicine from the fellow jihadi. Don’t ignore engrich when he needs that.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean just like when Vijay Raja put one up your jaxy

  • Anonymous

    Mohan-
    Your note about India – chappals sold in A/C show rooms, but vegetables on footpath, students with 45% marks get in to universities, but 90% get out, etc – is hilarious, but true…

    However, the goodies you listed that one gets when one crosses border from BanglaDesh and Pakistan , is it true or just a joke?

    Now tell me, the crosser will be arrested if the crosser is a Hindu! That will make the whole thing a truly Indian secular exerccise!

    Do Indian citizens know the crossers are getting ration card etc and not sent back?
    One of the biggest issues in the current election here in the States is illegal immigration from Mexico – it has been brewing since the economy started tanking. A generous people who never minded about immigration, now overwhelmingly (80% plus) is against illegal immigration.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy , This in a country THAT WAS OCCUPIED IN THE FIRST PLACE BY STARVING ITS NATIVE POPULATION BY KILLING OFF ALL BUFFALOWS , is FIVE TIMES THE SIZE OF INDIA WITH ONE FIFTH OF POPULATION ,A SEVERALTRILLION DOLLAR ECONOMY.
    I find it bizarre , ALL HINDUS MOVE OVER FROM HALAL STAN, and few hundreed cross over from Hindustan.
    Nehru &co are responsible for this , either you go FOR A PROPER EXCHANGE OF POPULATION OR YOU DONT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Dr Shan-

    What I wanted to know from Indians (in India) is whether Indian citizens are aware of all the freebies these Muslim border crossers are getting when they cross to India from Pak/Bangla Desh.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    Not many cross over from Pakistan. Many do from Bangladesh – most of them are poor muslims. Among these immigrants, most settle in certain districts of WB, Bihar and Assam. Some enterprising and young ones move to the metros like Delhi-NCR etc.

    As far as I know, at least those living in Delhi-NCR don’t particularly get any freebies. Most of them work as domestic helps, rag pickers, unskilled labourers etc. Some indulge in stealing as a profession – and I am not joking!!

    Those staying in border states do manage to get political patronage and get ration cards, voter IDs etc. Their influx in some of the districts there has resulted in a sizable and decisive vote bank. I am not too sure about what they mostly do for a living.

    Anonymous Reply:

    They work as travel agents for fresh infiltrators, fixing residential quarters, fixing cycle rickshaws on daily rent etc.

    many enterprising ones also help the newcomers get ration cards, introduce them to the ruling party MLAs and MPs as confirmed future voters.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks.. I am glad that the extremists from the West do not cross over.
    Bengla Deshis are not extremists like the Pakistanis; they consider Bengali as their national language, and India as their ancestral land whereas Pakis consider they are Arab descendants.

    May be Dr Shan can throw some light on Bengla Deshis – I believe there is a large immigrant group in UK – whether they are involved in terrorism there like the Paksiatnis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Bangladeshis , by which we mean muslims , for HINDU bangladeshis have automatic right to stay in west bengal , FOR THEY ARE HOUNDED OUT.massive number of hindus have crossed over close to 1.5 CRORE(yes you are reading it correct). Large number of bangladeshis have also slipped in. They usually blend in with local MUSLIM population.
    Recently in calcutta a gang was nabbed after a spate of robberies. SEVEN bangladeshis were apprehended.
    This brings me back to the topic of PATRIOTISM.
    it is easy to bribe and get a ration card , even PASSPORT.
    you will recall a chauffer of a retired army generalwascaught in CALCUTTA(always Calcutta , the safe haven). He was a pakistani spy,he was caught when he wanted to visit PAKISTAN WITH HIS INDIAN PASSPORT
    MERA BHARAT MAHAN

  • Anonymous

    Defense Secretary Panetta’s meetings in India was widely covered in the US.

    He said both countries (US and India) have concerns, problems with Pakistan.

    He wanted a stronger/deeper collaboration with India. However, the reports here said that Indians were lukewarm to his proposals.

    Why would not India have a larger relationship with US — this is the right time. US is in economic decline, they have technology and gadgets to sell, we can get it at a competitive price, hopefully there can be joint research between IISc, IIt etc with the leading science centers here ..

    Are Indians (politicians) worried about the Muslim backlash if there is a larger collaboration with the US?

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    More likely to be related to not alienate and provoke China and to maintain regional options open. US is not the most reliable and durable friend.

    Nothing to do with Muslims other than your personal paranoia.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi, i do not have any paranoia about Muslims. I am paranoid about the Muslim terrorism –

    However, I do have an issue with Indian politicians who tend to do things assuming that is what Muslim constituency wants – like the recent marriage act where 15 yr old girls could marry.

    I believe India maintaining a distance with US is mainly due to their views that majority of Indian Muslims may not like a closer relation with US (unfounded I am sure; and a majority may welcome it once they know the employment etc benefits of a closer relationship)

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    You can stay in self-denial for as long as you want. Who are you trying to fool. I have known you for close to two years.

    The “15 yr old case” was made by a High Court Judge and not a politician.

    Your silence on Child Marriage Practice among Hindus in India is deafening.

    You could not be more wrong about the consideration for Indian Muslims in Gov of India displaying caution when determining how close India will get to the US. This is about the best example of your paranoia fueled imagination

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, that imagination has stronger legs than your imagination of Hindu terrorists taking over the world

    Ravi Reply:

    That is whose conclusion, your own. Self congratulation is no recommendation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,
    it is you who are in perpetual denial when it comes to issues concerning Muslims.

    Do you know a thing called case law? Now can any girl of 15 getting married, be prosecuted for violating the law?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    India can and should have much larger and deeper collaboration with the US. As a beginning, we can cancel the order for fighter planes placed with the French, who, in any case are supremely unconcerned with us and drop it in the US jholi.

    But what turns most Indians cold is the gratuitous advice bordering on mild orders to mend our fences with Pakistan, as Panetta has done.

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  • Anonymous

    Haliburton says its profits are down due to a decline in Guar beans availability in India..
    Many may not know (I did not) that Guar beans is an important ingredient in the “fracking” technology to extarct oil/gas

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/business/energy-environment/halliburton-warns-of-lower-profit-margins.html?smid=pl-share

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  • Anonymous

    Panetta –”patience with Pakistan reaching limit”
    Will they do an Iraq????

    http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120607/AS.Panetta.Afghanistan/?cid=hero_media

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy

    US should have gone for Pakistan from day one. They wasted money and men in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was obvious from day one that Pakistan was the villain.

    Pakistan’s sweet postures towards India currently are a cover up for securing their eastern borders as they get set to confront US. Its government presses are still printing fake Indian currency and the ISI is still training jehadis.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan says Mamta is a CPM in sari
    For president she won’t support Ansari
    And she fights with congress bari bari
    Dr.Mamta has no dawai for WB’s bimari.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    An amoeba defecating on paper could have composed a better
    ditty.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    But a jihadi pest like you can hardly appreciate any ditty.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    That is because Hindu Fundos like you can hardly write one

    Anonymous Reply:

    But I have written many and many have appreciated them too, including the honourable Vinod Sharma!

    But, it is not for jihad-fixated Islamic fundoos like you and engrich.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    This is for amusement and time pass of bloggers. You dont have to let out steam…

    Shenoy Sahab

    create more poems. especially on the possibility that the US may now attack Paksitan…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinoo Sahib

    What makes you think that I am not having a good time at the cost of that rancid of all congenital morons whom you seem to favour.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    You seem to be in a pretty agressive mood these days. I hope your hypertension is okay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is his walrus mustache that is the problem. It comes in between his lips and teeth whenever he grits his few remaining teeth.

    Ravi Reply:

    Never been better. Have a look around and see if you can see other aggressive people, or do u only see in one direction

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I think you are not very logical.

    a)You praise state dole to Imams and think that this is secularism.

    b) You defend the marriage of 15 year old girls who are underage in the context of today– to bear children and study

    c) You start shouting HIndu fundoo — hindu fundu all the time as if your fissures are troubling you. whenever you sit down on the computer chair.

    I think you can add more sense to debate in case you dont react instantaneously to defend the indefensible. There are problems in all societies and religions. But defending the fundamentalism in Islam solves no problems.

    Ravi Reply:

    I think you are not very accurate

    a)You praise state dole to Imams and think that this is secularism. When did I do that? You are a Lier

    b) You defend the marriage of 15 year old girls who are underage in the context of today– to bear children and study. When did I do that. You are a pathological lier. You Three time ignored the Child Marriage prevalent among Hindus.

    c) You start shouting HIndu fundoo — hindu fundu all the time as if your fissures are troubling you. whenever you sit down on the computer chair. I think you may be referring to your farmer giles, there is not a shred of doubt that there are some people here who are Hindu Fundos. You remain silence and have done so for a while when people shout Jihad Jihad Jihad

    I think you can add more sense to debate in case you dont react instantaneously to defend the indefensible. There are problems in all societies and religions. But defending the fundamentalism in Islam solves no problems. I do not defend fundamentalism in Islam. You say I do and you are wrong. All I do is point to HINDU Fundamentalism each time Fundos like you present a one side pathetic argument

    Your neutrality is severely compromised. I had given you the benefit of the doubt. More fool me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are reacting hysterically !

    I dont ignore the child marriage in Hindus — I condemn it lock stock and barrel. See your postings on the stupid, backward, idiotic, fanatic thoughts which seek to push Muslim girls back to 17th century and then you will know how bad you came out.

    When somebody pointed out that Imams were being given a dole by Mamta, you taunted him saying that What is wrong? Should the Saudi government give it then?

    I think the heat has got to you. Time for some Khas khas or rooh afza

    Ravi Reply:

    What I said was.

    I am not aware of the facts of the story, but I had a question to ask.

    The question I asked was because I believe that Imams funded by Saudi are fundamentalist and Salafi. Where as those funded (indeed if they are) by Mamta will dance to Mamta’s tune.

    The problem is that you only reacted to the story because Muslim is involved and that gets stuck in your throat. You do not confront your own demons instead you insinuate and cast aspersions on others motives.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo-

    Ravi is like Murdoch’s Fox Channel here – “fair and balanced” Fox does it for Republican Party using the Likud strategy; Ravi does it for Muslims using the same Likud strategy , for example, “but you do not talk about the Hindu underage marriage” while ignoring the fact that you are talking about law and not practice

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope he changes. At 53, I never thought I had anything knew to learn. But yesterday I opened a twitter account and then got myself a capri and a flop hat !
    One keeps learning!
    Ravi, no musician ever survived on a single tune. Learn a few more ragas and see the world holistically and not from a predetermined position ,

    Ravi Reply:

    It hasn’t harmed you

    Ravi Reply:

    Never been better. Have a look around and see if you can see other aggressive people, or do u only see in one direction

  • Anonymous

    Digvinash Singh is back in action.

    He says: Ramdev should declare HIS black money first.

    Does he mean:
    a) the govt. is incapable of finding this out? or
    b) he is waiting for Ramdev to declare his black-money before the Congressis declare theirs?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Digryodhan Singh is to his usual tricks.
    It is stupid for a ruling party spokesperson to say anything about this.
    Any answer should have come from Pranab or Secretary of Finance; and the right answer should have been ‘we will go after black money’

    Ramdev should sue Diryodhan Singh!

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Ravi
    You always talk about NATO attack on Muslim countries, US attack on Muslim countries…Do you have a definition of what a Muslim country is?

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    No but any minute you are going to give me your definition. Aren’t you??

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not know–You are the one who always use the term “Muslim country”:..attack on Muslim countries by NATO, US, UK, West…

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Heather Timmons of NY Times says “India can fix Afghanistan’…

    Will these investments pay off– Will India get a share of Afghanistan’s immense, at untapped mineral wealth ?

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/can-india-fix-afghanistan/

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  • Anonymous

    Another example of BJP working overtime to lose…

    They want Chidambaram to resign based on circumstances relating to the recount of his last election.

    BJP is stupid, rudderless, leaderless party…For anything and everything their answer is ‘resign”…

    The country may go bananas, but a BJP win in the next LS is going to be tough even with congress driving the country to the ground..I

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  • Anonymous

    Another find about our ancestors/history — “Edakal 5″ unearthed in ancient kerala caves

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article3501408.ece?homepage=true

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  • Anonymous

    Minority and religious votebanking may just drive us back to the 19th century:
    When a sly Rajiv gandhi along with the Congress dumped Sha Bano, nobody in thw Congress . except Arif Mohammad Khan spoke up. The rest smelt votes, like doggies smell _ _ _ _
    Today when the Congress has again ditched the young Muslim girls and their chances of education by justifying early marriage I can bet my degree, my thinning hair, and just about everything that Sonia, Rahul, Digviajy and Salman can see another vote bank here.
    Let me quote from the HT blog– jut faith
    —————————————————————————–
    The bigger issue is social, notably women’s empowerment. ”According to Muslim law, the girl is ready to be married if her parents, particularly the mother, feels that she has attained the age of puberty,” Imam Umer Ahmed Ilyasi, president of All India Organisation of Imams of Mosques said. What about education, I asked him. ”There is no relationship between education and marriage,” he said. ”If you say that a girl should finish her MBA or PhD and then marry, it is wrong because there are needs of nature that would push the children towards gunah, sin.” Sin, as in premarital sex, I asked. ”Yes.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, well.

    The political parties are “cementing” the votes with a ’suspender and belt” strategy – the Imams who declare these pronouncements are now given salary from the government treasury if I hear Dr Shan and Shenoy right!
    (And Ravi says they should be given salary by Govt!)
    My question is, are BJP and other opposition pro_India parties highlighting these to the electorate so they know this.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Ravi said nothing of the kind. You did.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy
    There is a conspiracy of silence int he COngress. Do what gets votes.
    The SP , BSP, MIM will fight for the right of 15 yr old girls to get married !
    BJP if ti raises the issue will be shouted down by idiotic cries of saffron, hindu fundo and what not.\
    The natiional minorties commisssion where our Vindo Sharma is a member will say that the courts will decide.
    The woman’s commission will say as long as Muslims are involved, it is better to shut up as it will be a very sensitive issue.
    The lechers in Saudia, mostly 70 , who come to pick up girls from Indxia will smile and say… wah wah… ab humko maal milega….
    But nobody will give damn for these girls.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Here is a balanced rant by someone who considers himself as being logical and dis-passionate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why dont you follow the script of what is happening and wht will happen further on.
    You have alreeady called me a Hindu fundo o this issue as I had predicted.

    Ravi Reply:

    The script say – Well wear the cap if it fits.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo

    Rajiv Gandhi capitulated to his advisers and Muslim clergy to the usual argument that “Muslims will feel insecure in the country” as if guaranteeing the security of Muslims is the number one responsibility of the government.

    He ordered the unlocking of Babri Masjid door to please the BJP noise makers who protested against Sha Bano bill. The Babri Masjid incident may not have happened if the practice remained same – allowing a Hindu priest for the annual (or daily?) worship there.

    Rajiv Gandhi could have finished what his grandfather started with the Common Civil Code (later modified to be Hindu Family Act). He already had the supreme court blessing. He could have hidden behind the court verdict. Instead he chose to assign a group permanently under slavery so slaves will continue to vote for their master protector.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Frankly I have analysed the Rajiv Gandhi years earlier in this blog.
    Those were years of lost opportunity. He came in with 425 seats! Imagine a majority which may never happen again. As young economists and Chartered accountants, we really expected him to do the sky.

    However he ended up doing so many U turns that I do not rate his years as very high now. MOre about raising hopes, then disappoinitng in delivery.

    He was dependent on 3 freinds for changing India. Of these Arun Singh was the most honest and amongst our best policy makers on dfence. But Singh fell out over BOfors as he sensed that Rajiv was hiding the guilty.

    Arun Nehru with his corporate background in Jenson paints was expected to do something but he too had a hand in Bofors and then fell out…

    Amithabh Bachchan sensed that he was being trpped and had lefft a lucrative career which was a better option.

    So Rajiv went back to the old COngress men like Sita ram kesri, RK Dhawan, KK Tewari, Arjun Singh.

    Well you have no right to expect anything to happen becasue of those sort of people.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Was the analysis as objective, balanced and dispassionate as the rest of your posts here.

    Or was it BAU

    Anonymous Reply:

    You mean what I have written above is not objective?
    Well honestly I was a fan of Rajiv gandhi when he ascended to power. But gotr disapointed that he never used the opportunity to change things the way he could have.

    Ravi Reply:

    I believe that your objectivity and your anti-congress rants are imperceptibly different.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am really not anti Congress. just disappointed that the Congress
    is so family driven that it loses all potential for new ideas as an organisation.
    The difference between UK politics and India is so unque. When one Milliband won the election, the other chose to quit the party to make sure it does not become a family affair.
    Neither did any Tory pass on the baton to his son/daughter
    Out here the Congress is always in a family way. Even bro inlaws sense power based on the family name.

    Ravi Reply:

    David Milliband leaving the Labour Party is news to me.

    Last I looked he was still a member of the Labour Party and a serving MP.

    Further more the UK has a house of Lords which is substantially hereditary.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry for being wrong there. He has chosen to keep himself away from position of power till his brother is ascending. That is what I head on BBC.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi
    But UK politics was fun though very predictable. I once travelled by train sitting next to micheal Foot. Not that he ever said a word during the journey. Kept staring at the paper. An Indian MP probably would have an entourage around flaunting power.
    Then in my stint there, the most boring PM– John major,– now turns out to be the most secretive and succesfull lover of his health Minister.

    Anonymous Reply:

    arjun singh was the worst…number 1 appeasor!
    And he went all the way to shower Muslims because he knew his son Ajay could not be a CM in MP without the Muslim support.

    This is how Manohar’s “supreme democracy” works.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Arjun Singh had built a palace for himself on the outskirts of Bhopal. when the gas tragedy happened he just drove himself there, leaving the population to struggle.
    His father went to jail and died in jail for fraud– as Minister in nehru’s cabinet.
    His son launched the faudulant Churhat lottery scheme which sold tickets all over the coutnry and never gave prizes.
    I dont beleive crime is genetic. But Arjun Singh may prove me wrong!
    By the way all the 3 generations wer Congressmen

    Anonymous Reply:

    I always wondered why Sonia would take Arjun Singh in the cabinet, other than for “family connection”, because Arjun by then did not have any political clout.

    One of my cousin’s son studied in Kodaikanal American school where Arjun Singh’s grandson , the movie actor, was a student. It seems the boy was an arrogant SOB as if he owned India.

    I do have lot of disagreements with the Marxists. However, I should say none of their leaders brought in and anointed any of their children – they ruled Kerala for many years – AK Gopalan, EMS Namboodiripad, Achutha Menon, Ak Naynar, Achuthanandan or other junior leaders and party secretaries – none had their offsprings in the looting business.

    Actually coming to think of it, none of the Congress leaders in the state also(except K karunakaran) had any of their children or relatives in politics – R Sankar, AK Antony, Oomen Chandy, etc did not bring up their offsprings in politics

  • Anonymous

    Binoy,

    What I had posted was an email I had received from my friend.
    I have heard and read many times about Bangladeshi migrants living in
    India illegally. During election times Shiv Sena and MNS always make an issue
    of this. Check this link
    —-

    How influx of Bangladeshi migrants, terror is interlinked

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/mumbai-bomb-blast-how-influx-of-bangladeshi-migrants-terror-is-interlinked/20110719.htm

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thackereys are fascists! They do not want anybody other than Marathis in Maharashtra!

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    So is the RSS and all of its sprogs

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Jagan Reddy seems to have paid Rs 10 crores/ each to the defected Congress MLAs.

    What does Rs 50 crores (5 defections) for him when he has stolen Rs 15,000 crores (the number being talked about these days!)

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  • Anonymous

    Teacher asks a girl ‘ Which part of the human body expands ten times it’s
    normal size ?’
    Girl : I cannot answer this, I feel shy
    Teacher asks same questions to a boy, he replies ‘ it is a pupil of human eye ‘
    Teacher : ” right” and turns to the girl and tells her ‘ your thinking is wrong, but
    let me warn you that you will be disappointed because your expectation is
    too high.’

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Yes, Iwas really bloody busy. I am eager to listen to your views, and about mischief?? Arre yaar, ismain ek Miss to hai, kahe pareshaan hote ho? enjoy.

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    Ravi Reply:

    What Hindu Right wants is a HINDU PAKISTAN

    Pankaj Ji…Pareshan nahin hain, just making sure that you know the tongue you have firmly lodged in your cheek is visible on Google satellite pictures.

    Meanwhile, this may be a good read for you.

    Goa: five day right wing convention of Hindutva outfits (10-14 June 2012)

    Right-wing organisations are holding a five-day conference at Ramnathi, Goa — headquarters of the Sanatan Sanstha — from June 10 to 14 to draw up a timetable for the ‘formation of a Hindu nation and protection of Hindutva and Hindu organisations’. Sanatan Sanstha had hit headlines in……..

    “India was divided on religious grounds. Pakistan became an Islamic nation but India was declared a secular country despite the fact that Hindustan, as it was known, was a Hindu nation for centuries. How can India be secular despite Hindus constituting 85 per cent of its population,” said Suresh Munjal, a Delhi-based lawyer and an organiser of the conference.

    Read on….http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-cant-100-crore-hindus-demand-a-separate-nation/20120607.htm

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Ravi,

    I think you should clear homeland Pakistan so HIndu right wing will then see a DE-toxified Pakistan to emulate… :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic. You pointing to Toxic Pakistan does not distract any one from the efforts of Hindu Fundos, just like you, who are hell bent in trying to Toxify India.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Vinoo made a very nice comment on you fissures troubling you and making you belch out HIndu fundo hindu fundo hindu fundo all the time….

    Hadensa is a popular Indian cream May help you correct your problem.

    Ravi Reply:

    My response was that he needs to look after his own FARMER GILES.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Usual paranoid Ravi. These outfits have no power or any strong following to change anything. You will find such extreme nationalists
    in all the countries in small numbers.

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    Ravi Reply:

    That is your opinion. Rediff didn’t think so. In small numbers. The RSS is quite large and growing. Just count the number of COMMUNAL incidents it triggers every year in India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I am not denying the fact that there exist these type of people in
    India but I am sure that they are not powerful enough to change anything. India is secular and will remain secular.
    Inshallah.

    Ravi Reply:

    I hope you are right. I am just making sure.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Tongue in Cheek,
    Ravi, are you trying to intimidate me?? do you think that by labelling me fundoo, etc, you will succeed in shutting me up?? Naaa.
    So, who is this munjaal?? Few hundred people gathered in goa and you are losing sleep? Hundreds and hundreds of such organizations exist, at least on these lines, throughout the world, so what??? and what is wrong in their proclaimation?? tell me?? it is different matter that India will remain secular as Hinduism is secular. But it should not be secularism of Congress dscription or your description, Never.Now, put solid arguments, collection of few hundred unknown people should not rob you of your sleep.

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  • Anonymous

    A good wife always forgives her husband when she is wrong.

    Good morning friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A good wife always forgives her husband when she is wrong
    And a midwife always gives the husband his “mistake” in his hand.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is fine if these mistakes are limited to one or two but if they
    increase in numbers than they become blunders.

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  • Anonymous

    Conjugal visits in Punjab jails soon?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/Conjugal-visits-in-Punjab-jails-soon/articleshow/13911092.cms

    I am wondering whether the wives who will visit their husbands in jail for this
    purpose will give their usual excuses – no mood today, I am tired, I have a headache and million other such excuses. I have a serious doubt of this
    proposal being successful.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    The visits will only be for politicians who are there in huge numbers these days. ND Tewari will request for all his harem, karuna for all his wives.

    Aam prisoner will in the end meet his wife with 10 other prisoners.

    The wife will then say… “Log dekh rahe hai…so thenga thengaa thengaa…!”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And they may not also want to conceive a jail bird’s child, that too inside a jail!

    And the jailor may want to “see” whether everything is as per the scheme.

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  • vijay !

    @ VInoo

    Mark my words.

    First the Imam who says Muslim girls need to be married at 15, will soon be the God of COngress and Salman Khurshid and Digviansh SIngh.

    Second what a fool this Imam is. First he says that the girls are adults at 15 so they should get married. Then he says that there [parents will decide and have a right to force their marriage!! — as they are too young… ! The new God of Congress has spoken…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This Imam will get the highest salary and an ex-gratia payment of 10lac rupees.

    I want to see liberal Muslims, apart from Shoeb and Parvez, to reject these postuations of the judiciary and the vote bank politicians.

    The liberal Muslims should declare a social fatwa calling upon the community to refuse to marry their daughters before they are at least 18.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Many Liberal Muslims will just stuff pig shit into the mouth of this lousy Imam.

    The trouble is the so called Thekdar of the Muslims in the COngress who want to keep the Muslims insulated from progress. They will lick the feet of this Imam. Even on this blog we have seen Ravi talking about special laws for Muslims of this sort.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Who do to L U N G U Y A T S vote for. They are a VOTE BANK, are they not??

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Why are you so upset when we are exposing the a **** of a imam with backward, retrograde thoughts who wants to condemn Muslim girls to illiteracy.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am not upset.

    But you seem to be UPSET when I expose HINDU TURDS such as Mohan Bhagwat/Praveen Toootgaya who want to make a HINDU PAKISTAN out of our beautiful country.

    What none of you FROOKHABADI morons understand is that this Imam may turn out to be a bigger **** if he was paid by the Saudis.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Fact is you have got plastic surgery done to look like MOhan Bhagwat… is insutling to whom– to you or Mohan Bhagwat/

    Ravi Reply:

    To you frookhabadi Moron

    vijay ! Reply:

    Will send you a truck full of piles treatment creams. Where are you right now? :)

    vijay ! Reply:

    Engrich will apply the cream very lovingly…

    vijay ! Reply:

    Furtheron, you are asking India to succumb to blackmail. That give the Imam a dole… or he will take money from the Saudis…

    Ravi Reply:

    Bollocks…that is your interpretation. Imam is Indian

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shah Bano all over again!
    The only difference is that in that case Court was for Shah Bano’s rights to receive alimony.
    Whereas in this case court is for Muslims to marry at 15..

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    vijay ! Reply:

    very sad! We are going down the spiral in the name of special rights…

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  • Anonymous

    Vinoo/Shenoy/Vijay,

    Yes, 15 years old girl is of very young age to get married. In fact even 18 is very
    young. Maturity not puberty should be the criteria for marriage. This law has been passed by the court not by Congress. Maybe Congress was behind this
    because this party like any other political party has always played vote bank politics.
    My take on this issue is little different. If I have a problem at my home than it
    becomes my duty to understand and solve the problem. I will always look upon
    others with suspicious motive even if they give me a genuine advise.
    In this case also Muslims in our country specially young educated Muslims like Rizwan, Shoeb and Pervez should take up such issues and try to educate
    others in their community. It is a long term process but I am sure that many Muslims are already involved in educating and improving the lives of other fellow Muslims.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    You are right MOhan

    My fear is that a vote bank searching COngress will NOT take any action on this and will rather project it as a special favour enacted for Muslims

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  • Anonymous

    BCCI chief’s Rs 135 crore link to Jagan Reddy.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-bcci-chiefs-rs-135-crore-link-to-jagan-reddy/20120608.htm

    If BCCI chief is involved than can we rule out the involvement of the unofficial
    head of BCCI Mr. Pawar?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It looks like Rs 135 crore is peanuts in the overall scheme of the amounts involved!

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  • Anonymous

    A new metal is added to the chemistry…
    Name: Wife
    Symbol: BV
    Atomic Weight:  Don’t even dare to ask!

    Physical Properties :
    Boils at any time
    Can freeze at any time
    Melts if treated with love and care
    Very bitter if mishandled

    Chemical properties :
    Very reactive
    Highly unstable
    Possess strong affinity for gold, silver,diamond and platinum
    Money reducing agent

    Occurrence :
    Mostly found in front of the Mirror

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Mohan

    Please add the most important line…

    Most seductive when

    ………..

    …………

    ………..

    ………

    You have a pocket full of hard cash…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Highly malleable, ductile, tensile and makes others brittle. Unpredictable under heat. When red hot, anything can happen.

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  • Anonymous

    Question to lawyers on this blog:
    Regarding this Imam/court verdict about permitting 15 yr old girls to marry – although these girls belong to Islam, since they live in a larger community of all people in the district/state/country, the district/state/country is going to go backward — can a lawsuit be filed based on the fact this adversely affects others

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    vijay ! Reply:

    I am willing to make a monetary compensation in case somebody takes up this case.

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  • Anonymous

    Sanjay Joshi leaving BJP is bad for BJP.
    Time for Joshi and Modi to talk and settle.

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  • vijay !

    On NDTV

    Very interesting !! Kamal Farooqi the doyen of idiots… lauds the verdict and says Muslims are governed by Sharia and this is a welcome verdict . Wah WEah Wah !!

    Mr Madani from jamait, who looks similar to Ravi says it will prevent girls from committing “gunaah” !!!

    Wha Wah !! Wah !!

    Shaista ambar… does NOT welcome the verdict !! Spitting on the fake seculars. Despite a guarded welcome that this does not make the actual marriages illegal.

    Even Sadia Dehlivi saya that Islam has called this jayaaz… this will prevent sexual diseases, abortions, as it will pre3vent girls from goin to “galat raasta…!”

    Well Khushwant Singh had a thing going with Sadia once. He wrote so much about h=their affair. Today the same Sadia has changed her tune… about innocent girls astray!!!!

    Total double standards!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay
    Nobdoy has the balls in India to challenge this court decisions. Let us face it, even our grandparents may have married at 16 or 18. But then the life expectacny way 35 years for an Indian.
    Today we are negating our entire nationhood by going backwards. Any Muslim who will try to mobilise people against this ruling will probably meet Salman Rushdie’s fate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What the ruling means to these thekedars is that the girl will be stopped from going on a “galat rasta”, while the man who marries a child of 15 and after a few years gets bored with her, he can go on any rasta………

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Its double whammy. Multiple marriages for men. Girls as young as 15 can be picked up– not as per their desire– f their parents wish so.

  • Anonymous

    So much food, yest so little for some! Paardox of India! Record grain prod, but wasted everywhere in the chain, sometimes there is no chain either!
    Dr Swaminathan and fellow scientists did the greatest contribution to India that it can be self sufficient in food. But bureaucrats and politicians, as usual, are living in some other planet!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/08/business/global/a-failed-food-system-in-india-prompts-an-intense-review.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy-
    This is unpardonable – we produce more than enough and it gets rotten!

    I like the idea of food stamp as the article referred to – yes, a few may use it for liquor etc, but there are ways to minimize the misuse.
    In any case, even if there is a misuse, it is done by the poorest of the poor, and not like the crores of rupees that vested interests steal in collusion with the govt bureaucrats.
    Instead of fixing this problem, government (obviously the vested interests) seems to want to add more wastage (means more money to the bureaucrats!)

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  • Anonymous

    Private Equity Funds face backwinds in India

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577436363441530998.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy
    I have a feeling that India story was a miracle which happened becasue PV Rao and MMS planned a new road under the IMF danda.
    however since the lastt 2-3 years the old drivers of the bus– the Congress fuedals have oome out in full throttle and have throttled the growth.
    Frankly no new decisions are taken because Ministers and bureaucrats are afraid of being caught. And in case the state happens to be ruled by an opposition party the selfish centre just blocks the project. Projects in UP, Gujarat, MP were specailly targetted by the Congress in the last 6 years.

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  • Anonymous

    Some stray thoughts…
    are holy books and their intrepreters the final word, the ultimate truth?
    When a child is born, we label him as HIndu/sikh/christian/ muslim.
    When she goes to the school or to the playground, it is the same arithmetic, accounts , science and cricket which are taught.
    So if a Hindu batsman can be bowled out, a Muslim can be bowled out, a Christian can be bowled out… where is the need for seperate laws?
    There was no cricket in holy script. There was no MBA, Phd. 12th, BA, in any holy script. Wny are we now allowing idiots then to dictate terms on how society should live?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have stumped all of us.
    And Vinod Sharma is run out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope vindo sharma sahab gets the NMC to condemn this retrograde court ruling

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  • Anonymous

    Great examples of shining democracy (Manohar, where are you?)
    - A Raja comes back to Chennai; gets a rousing welcome. Actually, many people crowding near his car looked like docile, “poor” people, who may have received goodies from him, money to vote, or money for marriage or whatever. There was some sort of respect and adoration in their eyes.
    - Jagan reddy goes to jail,and ditto – crowd, again with similar looks is screaming for him, his wife, YSR and vijayamma!

    Obviously, millions of people have been left behind by the democracy – these charlatans understand that and continue to milk these poor, illiterate people who are looking for something, anything.

    The Muslim pandering is quite similar. Create permanent pools, so a leader, or a party, or a block can continuously milk them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Gopi_Thomas:disqus

    We have no choice, but to become a democratic , law abiding state. The system is under huge huge strain , but I dont see any alternative to the system.

    [Reply]

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow;
    You rock.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    gopi, so much for AMMA and that great place called tamilnadu.In fact having seen tamil films and followed MICKY MOUSE tamil politics , i had no doubt in my mind , that tamil nadu is JUST ONE CORNER OF ETERNALLY CORRUPT INDIA.
    The jubiliation that one saw on the tv , at the arrival of A Raja ,says two things.1. Tamil society is MORALLY CORRUPT
    2.Tamil population is illiterate and very base

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  • Anonymous

    Height of noise.
    Two naked skeletons making love on a tin roof.

    Height of lazyness.
    Marrying a pregnant woman.

    Height of bad English.
    Gujarati boss to a new girl in his office ‘ aao tera sabse intercourse karwa du ‘

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Third one is good one – new addition to the series of heights we have known since ages!!

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    Sujata Anandan;
    Broad Chest narrow shoulders.
    Paid Journalists to the core. Show mw one person in Indian Politics, who has guts to deliver. Baat karte hain!!! Naalayak.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Where you are?? I want you now and here. Busy? Excused.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I am here, just unloading a truck full of some cream that suddenly arrived from India. I am hoping it will provide much welcome relief from my painful Farmer Giles.

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  • Anonymous

    Folks , was rather busy watching Euro 2012 , but found time to watch a discussion on NDTV.What i heard SENT SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE.
    apparently CONgress is thinking about allowing ISLAMIC BANKING in India.
    Subramanium Swamy , for whom I have great respect (he is a harvard graduate)
    was rightly strident in his opposition to the idea. This may open the floodgates for terrorist funding. Also a canard is being propagated about the success of islamic banking in UK.THIS IS A LIE . Islamic banking has been an utter failure in uk.http://shar.es/mkVXs. here is a quote from a hardcore jihadi website
    “Since its inception IBB has never made a profit. Not once, not ever.
    Rather, the company has reported combined losses of almost £45 million
    (GBP), and its shares have lost more than 95% of their value since the
    highs enjoyed during the early years. But at least it’s fared better
    than many of its contemporaries in the industry. So what about the rest
    of the UK’s Islamic finance providers?

    Well, the UK’s first Halal insurance firm, Salaam Insurance,
    spectacularly shut up shop in 2009 after less than 18 months of trading.
    Lloyds TSB, which made a half-hearted stab at Shariah-compliant
    products in 2004, doesn’t seem to have promoted its offering for years.
    alburaq – owned by Arab Banking Corporation – has effectively withdrawn
    its savings and mortgage products from the mass market and now serves
    only the wealthiest of customers.”
    Apparently ISLAMIC BANKS wont lend to a butcher who does not practice two and a half slit ,and to PORK SELLERS.
    DOESN’T INDIA’S CLAIM TO BE A SECULAR REPUBLIC LOKKS LIKE A CRUELJOKE.
    Also i understood WHY MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL REMAIN LAGGARD FOR ANOTHER 500 YRS.
    This ex diplomat WAJAHAT HABIBULLAH rather than come out and openly declare his opposition to RELIGION MEDDLING IN MODERN BANKING , PRACTICE , he was ctually supporting it. His argument , apparently 1000crore is lying idle. That means muslims are stashing away this money rather than deposit it in a bank FOR WANT OF A ISLAMIC BANK
    mera bharat mahan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Too avoid losses Islamic banks indulge in interest bearing transaction
    which officially they are not suppose to do. Only difference is that word
    interest is not used. I’ll give you an example how this works.
    A. Islamic bank B. another bank with whom Islamic bank will trade.
    A will place X amount of money with B at a fixed rate for a fixed period.
    Ex. 1 million at 5% for one year.
    On paper it will be shown as A buys silver or any other item from B at a
    particular rate and will pay the cost of the silver ie 1 million to B. Immidietely
    another transaction is booked where A will sell that silver back to B
    on the same day but the payment against this will be paid by B to A at a
    differed date, in this case after one year. The difference in the buying and selling rate of the silver will determine the rate of interest B will pay to A.
    ie 5%. A after one year will get back 1 million + interest 50000.
    Officially transaction of buy/sell of silver will take place but there will be
    no exchange of silver. A will pay money to B and B will return that after
    a fixed period with interest.

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  • Anonymous

    Wife: Darling, listen
    Husband: Exactly
    Wife: But I have not said anything
    Husband: Doesn’t matter, you are right.

    Good morning friends.

    [Reply]

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Mohan

    AM neck deep in work… but not so deep to appreciate a good joke!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    I was late in reading it, but quick to laugh after reading it.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar has stopped visiting this blog , may be he is busy, meanwhile
    I will do his job of posting links to interesting news.

    Muslims in India split over girls’ wedding age.
    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/muslims-in-india-split-over-girls-wedding-age-1.1033358

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He must be in deep prayers for inspiration, as to what name he should now adopt.

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  • Anonymous

    Effect of Aamir Khan’s program.?

    Sonography clinics sealed in Mumbai, Nashik

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/sonography-clinics-sealed-in-mumbai-nashik-1.1033467

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    Anonymous Reply:

    well, incremental progress… hope they dont reopen under some other disguise,

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Pathak is missing since few days. Will he now come in a disguise of a female ?
    Kareena, Katrina or Deepika ?

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    vijay ! Reply:

    C’mon Pathak G

    Where r u hiding? Koi ticket toh nahi mil gaya?

    Bhaiya Coal mininster ya telecom Ministry mil gayi toh humko bhi

    10700000000000 + 1766666666 ka hiss de denaa…

    Will you come back in the disguise of a girl now???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    where are PatakG and Manohar — must be helping out the madam in distress..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That will be adding colour to the blog itself, while we are daily adding colour to the language.
    I had suggested Sanjana, in honour of Sanjay, who had gone missing earlier.

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    The Wages of Teesta’s Sins.

    http://www.sandeepweb.com/2012/05/29/the-wages-of-teestas-sins/


    So the Narendra Modi baiter extraordinaire has
    been suitably rewarded.

    Social activists Teesta Setalvad and Shabnam Hashmi have been ‘rewarded’ by
    the UPA-II Government for what seems like their pro-Congress, anti-BJP
    activities. The HRD Ministry has nominated them in the high-powered decision
    making body for education in India.
    Appointing Teesta to a panel that advises the government on education is like
    appointing Aurangzeb to manage Hindu temples.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    or giving keys of the blood bank to Dracula!

    This is secularism in action..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This government is on the last legs. But while going out it will continue to damage India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    UPA government, Vinoo says, is on its last legs
    But its ministers are losing count of the pegs
    they intake daily, while the aam admi on the street begs
    because, of humanity UPA has reduced people to dregs.

  • vijay !

    @ Mohan

    Quoting from the article you have posted, I am deeply distressed. By a single judgement the hope that Muslim girls will join engineering, medicine, Management etc is over.

    I was rather surprised that some fellow bloggers applauded this decision

    ——–

    Patna-based Maulana Anisur Rahman Qasmi, however, hailed the ruling. “There is nothing wrong in it,” he said.

    Raheem Quraishi, assistant secretary of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, echoed him. “It is a right decision.”

    The Board has been demanding an amendment to the Prohibition of
    Child Marriage Act to exempt Muslims from it. Under the Shariat
    Application Act, marriage is one subject where the Sharia should be
    applicable.

    The Board has also been impleaded in a case with the Bombay High
    Court in which parents were booked by police for marrying off their
    17-year-old daughter.

    “I respect the high court’s order,” added Mufti Mohammad Mukarram
    Ahmad, the Shahi Imam of the Fatehpuri Masjid in Old Delhi. “As per
    Muslim Personal Law, a 15-year-old girl can marry.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It was good to know that except clerics backing the law virtually everyone else was against it. If strong pressure is applied by the people who are opposed to
    this law than court may overturn their own decision.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    aamir Khan has the intelligence, personality and the strenght to take up this issue.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vinoo,

    the law is very clear. It is the high court’s interpretation, which is causing all problems now for Muslim parents with daughters.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Mohan, Gopi, Vinoo,

    look at the resounding silence of the otherwise high-decibel voluble fake Ravi at Shan’s quoting Islamic history and accusing the prophet of marrying a child of 13 (or was it 9?).

    Why are you, fake Ravi, tongue-tied?

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  • Anonymous

    @ Mohan
    Your take on islamic banking was good. My experience is that it is a concept more to do with rhetoric and ideology rather than practical utility. As it is, with fallign interest rates, bank deposits and interests hardly cover up for inflation. Much of this is due to the fluctuating oil prices, created by the very countries which promote Islamic banking.
    In case it was about interest free loans to new and small businesses well nothing wrong in it. However I suspect this could well become a tool to push through ideologies of the countries who underwrite the banks. I think economics like sports should be free from religion.
    In case interest is harram, then so should profit be. What then would be the basis of modern day economics– barter system?
    Islamic countries, themselves place billions of dollars in Foreign banks where they see the highest rate of intnerest.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kerala High court had a verdict against Islamic banking a couple of years ago.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The failiing, faltering, fallen UPA will casue all the damge to the fabric of India, even when it tumbles down. This is somewhat like the Yahya Khan government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But Yahya Khan was frolicking with a singer-actress, just before tumbling down.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinoo;
    They should not get away scot free. Every corrupt person of this government should explain, even if under duress of some kind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Interest is the core business of banks. No banks can run their business without this concept.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But, the state government is actively pursuing the establishment of Islamic banking in the state!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,

    There is another interesting aspect to this Islamic banking. The item which
    is bought and sold has to be Islamic complaint. Any item like gold or any
    alcohol product is considered haram, so that cannot be ‘traded’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the gold souk in Dubai has all the gold. Further on so much gold is sold in the UAE and so much was once smuggled from there to India, so how has it become harram?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was talking about Islamic banking only. According to Islam
    it is haram for a man to wear gold jewelery.

  • Anonymous

    Are the bloggers aware why MUSLIMS are so fixated at the age of consent, and cleverly pegs it at 15. THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO SHOW PROPHET MARRIED AISHA WHEN SHE WAS 15, PROPHET BEING 54,In fact there is controversy surrounding it. One account will put her age being 13.This was extrapolated from the incidence where aisha “got lost” from the caravan , AND THEN WAS DISCOVERED WITH A SOLDIER FEW DAYS LATER.Prophet duly pardoned aisha .This was after a certain amongst many wars that a religious leader /prophet was fighting. As I have pointed this is the reason WHY MUSLIMS WILL REMAIN STUNTED FOR 500 YRS and keep on playing the victimhood card.
    THERE IS NO RATIONALITY,and just like the DALITS ,being served by a cretin called mayavati ,MUSLIM INTELLIGENTIA either because of FEAR or sheer IGNORANCE or WICKEDNESS or HYPOCRISY willnever stick their neck out AND SPEAK OF REFORM BASED ON RATIONAL THOUGHT.
    Thus that pretty girl Saziya Immi , is so vocal when speaking on behalf of Team Anna ,and declares herself a secular muslim , BUT NEVER WILL WE SEE HER SPEAKNG AGAINST THE CRETINS LIKE Kamal farooqui(apparently he is a chartered accountant).
    INDIA SHOULD MOVE TOWARDS A UNIFORM CIVIL CODE , there will be huge commotion , then it is a price worth paying

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu
    You are absolutely right. We should move to a uniform civil code. There will be protests, strikes “Islam under danger” “Iislam no more secure”..People will get over that..
    .By constantly adding these shi…, we are expanding the gulf, but not abridging it.
    btw what do they call the massacre in Syria..”Islam under protection”??

    Time to reset.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi
    The UPA is about to create a million separate laws just to get votes. In the end it will create 1.2 billion minorites in this country…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    absolutely right prognosis.
    1.2 billion cuts to this country..

    vijay ! Reply:

    Vinod Sharma ji will have the job of minding 1.2 bilion minoirites.

    I will be the head of a minority organisation called, “beer drinking trolls of India…”

    Anonymous Reply:

    u have been drinking too much beer these days-

    Ravi Reply:

    Is that the best you can do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    you can neme it DDT of India (daru drinking trolls of India)!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please don’t defame daaru drinking people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What about people who look into somebody’s eyes… aur nasha aa jaata hai?
    I would love to be CEO of aankhon ka nasha minoirity…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    The problem is no political party is courageous enough to take such
    bold decision.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Political party will pick it up if a platform is set.. if social orgs come with Hazare like movements..hopefully Muslim groups or Muslim leaders of political parties will come out first..may be this marriage stuff will become a catalyst

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Kamal faruqi is a fellow chartered accountant. Rats exist in all professions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I m sure this Farooqui wants the government to pay Imams like Ravi wanted –and may even use the twisted logic that Saudi Arabia will pay if we do not pay.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shantanu
    Your comment on Tamil Nadu..
    Karunanidhi administration was quite corrupt; but he got lots done for TN. Jayalalitha also in her past administrations..So also MG RamChandran (he introduced the first state directed School Lunch program in the country) venketaraman, Bhaktvalsalam, Kamraj etc before them. Tamil Nadu is a prosperous state now due to all their efforts.
    It is an ancient culture, as a scholar once remarked “it is the only surviving classical civilization”
    Regarding movies — it all depends what people want, be it tamil or hindi or telugu.. Not all directors are Satyajit Rays or Adoor Gopalakrishnans. Maniratnam is a great Indian director, Tamil Director, Hindi director..Kamal Haasan is a great actor…
    The bad thing about TN is that DMK in its anti forward caste drive has made it difficult for students belonging to poor upper caste to get into higher studies. So they are going to other states, and many to foreign countries on scholarships.
    Amma seems to be doing a great job.

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  • Anonymous

    An old news. Vajpayee touching the feet of an old Dalit lady. He was PM of
    India at that time. No one raised any hue and cry at that time.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/15spec.htm

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mohan-
    Tht is OK..

    touching the feet of a saffron clad man is a no no

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    Ravi Reply:

    Utter Bollocks.

    The Dalit lady was not a representative of her community, she was merely a symbol of it.

    The collusion of a Saffron Political Party and a RELIGIOUS ICONIC leader is in an entirely different league.

    Gopi your devotion to all things Saffron is admirable.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    who is a religious iconic leader here

    Ravi Reply:

    Who do you think, the old lady of-course

    Anonymous Reply:

    none in this case

    Ravi Reply:

    So how would you describe the drag artist Ramdev

    Anonymous Reply:

    just a drag artist, or a yoga teacher, ora business man

    Ravi Reply:

    Well with a Bhagwa Uniform, A TV Channel to his name, a very large following, I submit to you that he is a CROSS DRESSING ICONIC RELIGIOUS leader. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    he may be everything else..but not a religious leader

    Ravi Reply:

    I beg to differ

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK. Let us take your position that he is a religious leader. So what if Vajpayee falls to the feet of a religious leader? What is wrong if VAjpayee knelt in front of the Pope/ Obama bowed in front of Saudi king..

    Ravi Reply:

    Just that BJP is a Hindu Communal Political Party and it shores up its HINDU VOTE BANK by embracing all manner of HINDU paraphernalia of which the Cross Dressing Hindu Iconic Leader Baba Ramdev is just the latest.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Bollocks! Bollock!! bollock!!!

    Piles ke baad yeh nayi bimaari aa gayi kya?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Gopi, Mohan,

    Fake Ravi, as you said and correctly diagnosed, suffers from piles and when he sees Ramdev being mass-followed, he has attacks of bile and peptic ulcers. But the reptile won’t give up his Hate-Hindu pesha.

    Ravi Reply:

    I will give up Hate Hindu as soon as you stop hating Muslims. for no other reason because your Maters in the RSS tell you to do so.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you have piles and biles, but the hate Hindu poison is keeping you alive and enables you to bear the pain.
    So, if you give up the Hate Hindu poison, you will never be insane, which will spell the end of a fake as we know you.

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Somebody on this blog diagnosed this. that because of fissures, whenever Ravi sits on the computer chair , he starts getting pain and irritation and he starts belching out “hindu fundo-HIndu-fundo -hindu fundo ! ” all the time.

    I have offered him a life long supply of Hadensa cream and also requested Engrich to apply it on him with all love and—–

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Vajpayee was a man of the soil. No wonder Pathak G made lot of fun about him.

    I can give you hair raising stories about an ex PM long long time in heaven now. I was a pal with his doctor’s grandson.

    The said doctor would give us lectures on the_ _ _ _ _ _ _ of this guy now an icon of the Congress. But I wont reveal it here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Our great Panditji was so enamoured of Edwina Mountbatten (I very much doubt, though, he ever mounted her) that he wanted to retain the Maountbatten couple permanently in India, which led to the husband becoming governor general of India post independence, which then led to the Kashmir fiasco.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    There were many amazing twists and turns and mysterious illnesses better left in the coffins of history.

  • Anonymous

    The wonder that was india, the wonder that is west bengal.
    Rape which occurs apparently a dozen a day in Delhi , is not that common in west bengal.However police nabbed a rapist called mumtaz , IN TWO HOURS( a world record of sorts) a taxi driver, who raped a helpless women who took the taxi after visiting her sick husband in hospital .read the full story
    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120609/jsp/frontpage/story_15589156.jsp#.T9MKnFJNq0M

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have always heard that kolkotta is the safest city in India for women

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan, just to show you I too can joke about wives:

    Q-What is the difference between WATCH and WIFE?

    Ans -Ek bigadti hai to BANDH ho jati hai.
    Doosri bigadti hai to SHUROO ho jati hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy sahab
    My better half is on a vacation with kids and I am alone in the house … after a gap of 2 years. Believe me… this is making me laugh and laugh. My servant feels I have gone bonkers, looking at a computer screen and laughing !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dhanyo Ho Joke samrat

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    A good joke but change watch to TV it will rhyme with BV and will sound
    better.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Good one, but stick with watch as TV is different in lingual gender. TV will ” Bandh ho jaayega etc.

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  • Anonymous

    Forget about all the jokes I have posted. This is best joke I have ever heard in my
    life. I have only read the headline and I am not able to stop laughing. My wife and
    my children are perhaps thinking that I have gone mad.

    Pakistan not hostile towards anyone: General Kayani

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-not-hostile-towards-anyone-General-Kayani/articleshow/13958320.cms

    I don’t need to read the article, just the headline is enough.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Delightfullyyyyy funnnnnnn y !!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Unbelievable like most of his other pronouncements.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ha Ha Ha, Mohan
    Just look at his face, and then read his statement. we are peace loving nation… and cherish our freedom and sovereignty above every thing. It is freedom and sovereignty to loot and plunder of not only nationa but their own nationals, unfettered freedome is what these scoundrels desire.

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  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar Khaploathya’s relatives Defend Honour Killings

    “We are trying to safeguard social customs and traditions which are the backbone of any society,” said Randhir Singh, president of Meham Chaubisi khap panchayat to a leading daily.

    Read on…http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Television/Now-Khap-Panchayat-attacks-Aamir/Article1-868406.aspx

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    vijay ! Reply:

    ==========================================================
    ~ DEFENDER of Rochdale Rapists RAVI Osama from Tora Bora posts a joke ! ~~
    ==========================================================

    Maybe it is the repeated drone attacks on Tora Bora. Or the constant pain of Haemorohoids– ShrI Ravi Osama seems to have gone bonkers !!

    The moment he sits on the computer chair and the pain attack begins,
    Ravi osama sings

    Hindu Fundo to right of them,
    Hindu Fundo to left of them,
    Hindu Fundo in front of them

    Much like Alferd tennyson!

    Brother Ravi Osama, get your partner Engrich to rub cream on your piles lovingly…

    Meanwhile I have now psychoalaysed why you defended the Pakistani Rochdale rapists who deflowered and raped the young British girls

    like butchers. Your defence of the marriage of underage girls of 15 just shows your mindset.

    So Ravi Osamaji, change the morality of Tora Bora. and Muridke… and try to be modern and good like us Indians.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Reading some where in American journal about the macho man, I forgot the name of this veteran marine, who has been made immortal, when he wrote about an encounter in world war -2, : we are surrounded by enemy in front, enemy in right flank, enemy on left flank and ratio appear to be 29 to 1, now enemy can not escape from us.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Fake secular brigade is under great stress as one after the other, their misdeeds, a la seetalwad and innumerable other instances are coming forward.

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Sadly so. And there is an enemy within which seeks to promote the ISI, Osama view to destroy India like a termite. Mr Ravi Osama, unfortunately has joined hands there…

  • Anonymous

    Unlike the stand of BJP who do not support quotas on religious ground, Baba Ramdev wants Mulims and Christians should be included.

    Ramdev backs quota for Muslims and Christians, seeks their support in graft fight.
    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-13/india/31689005_1_hindu-dalits-muslim-dalits-quota-benefits

    Is Baba Ramdev with BJP or against them?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is the POPE Catholic?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If BJP=RSS than Baba Ramdev is not part of RSS.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am currently reading Brian Cox’s book on Particle Physics. As soon as I finish that I may become equipped to decipher your logic. Until then I will listen to Rhythmic Impressions by Zakir Hussain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Finished already reading all the books of Wendy Donniger and
    Martha Nassbaum ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    You will find it frightfully funny that Rakhsanda Jalil organised a lecture by Martha Nuassbaum in HRD Ministry funded Jamia. Rashanda is part of NAC which is headed by Sonia. Martha is also assosciated with Jamia for many funding and scholorships.

    This is all part of the Congress game to trample Hindus. In case Salma RUshide is called to Jaipur all the same people will keep screaming murder.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rkssnda Jalil is our new protector of monuments…!
    She says she lives and breathes Hindustan…
    (personally I rather make it illegal to use the word Hindustan for India, make it Bharath as **** extremits constantly refer to)

    Anonymous Reply:

    What you are seeing here from the jihadi pen of this fake Ravi is the abridged version of the summary of Wendy+Martha.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I fully respect the views of both Wendy Doniger and Martha Nussbaum. They are scholars and eminent professors.

    The fact that they rankle Hindu Right Wingers like your friend, and mentor शिन शिनाकी blabber arse is a bonus and provides much entertainment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I know what are your views on these both ladies and I also will
    keep on bringing them up regularly while in discussion with you.

    Ravi Reply:

    Be my guest. I will use your obsession to my advantage.

    I will sooner read and believe Wendy and Martha than to believe RSS propaganda as dispensed by its प्रचारक शिन शिनाकी बबला बू your friend and mentor.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mentor ? I have never allowed anyone to become my mentor.

    Ravi Reply:

    Well you fooled me then. Not a difficult task.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not a difficult task.? Me fooling someone or you getting
    fooled easily ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Either way

  • Anonymous

    The Office of the Prime Minister of India says that ‘anti-nationals support Team Anna “. This is indeed very alarming….. now the country has such a large number of anti-nationals . The PMO cannot even file a FIR to arrest and prosecute the anti-nationals , the list of names shall run into crores ….and shall include some well known names … and shall include some names from this blog including my own.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Add mine also. Will my passport be black listed ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan we cannot let you go. What shall we do in jail… without your jokes.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Praveen;
    What I see here and outside, it is anti nationals supporting this UPA government.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Gentlemen

    I will be on an indefinite sabbatical from this blog.

    Those who think it may be worthwhile to correspond with me can do so via email

    manohar_tandon mail com

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Hey what happened?

    We will certainly miss you!

    I dont think you should curtail this blog relationship so suddenly.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    What happened my friend? You should rethink. If any blogger has written anything personal then, i will say, forgiveness is higher then revenge.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    reconsider unless beewi stands in the way

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No Manohar here would also mean no Ishwar.

    Please reconsider your decision – this place won’t be the same without you. If you need a break, that’s fine – just don’t make it indefinite.

    And, Modi and Sanjay Joshi are fighting. We would ask the BJP to increase the infighting within the party. What else would it take for you to stay?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar Sahab

    I dont know the circumstances which compel you to leave. But I will tell you my case. I am an off and on blogger. Work pressures and family commitments deny me the chance of flexing my pen and only recently since the family is away for a month, I am able to come out fully on the net.

    I find it more enjoyable than watching TV. TV News is about others giving the comments and you being just a dumb watcher. Blogging lightens your heart and make you an actor.

    So in sum total of the balance sheet– reconsider your decision

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I will sincerely ask you to reconsider you decission. Corresponding with you
    via Email and discussing/arguing/fighting with you on this blog is not same. Believe me there are many here who love reading your views
    on different subjects.

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  • Anonymous

    Latest “rumours” on Jagan/YSR…

    Local papers are quoting Jagan’s assets now as one lakh crore rupees, now that Deepak Reddy, a “chota” (business as well as age, only 39 years) real estate guy has declared his assets to be 6000 crore rupees for the Ruyadurg assembly seat nomination.

    There is another news circling around that YSR in his second term was aware of the CBI investigation, requested Sonia to intervene, she did not. That was when he
    decided to visit Vatican, to request the Pope to put in a “good word” to Sonia Gandhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometimes I wonder why I came to Dubai. Was it to earn money? For that
    I could have joined politics and would have easily made tons of money.
    We keep on hearing these huge figures amassed by politicians but rarely
    we hear any action taken against them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    My friends from abroad are also saying the same thing!
    Our economic growth is going through the “gold rush” phase – finding and claiming hard assets: Land, Minerals, Ether (Spectrum). Exisitng rules are very basic since nobody anticipated the boom ..(for example the demand of sand!).so politicians are making laws as they go favouring them and their cronies!

    This Deepak Reddy is really worth Rs 6000 crores, and most of it it seems is from the appreciation of the parcels of land his family had (of course the family has political connections!) he also did his MBA in Pennsylvania, not at Wharton, but a little known University.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now at least you are making everybody laugh.
    In politics, you would have made everybody cry.

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  • Anonymous

    You bow down to one section of society, others will rise and make their
    unreasonable demands. These bloody coward politicians.

    Remove anti-Hindi agitation cartoon from NCERT text book: Karunanidhi

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Remove-anti-Hindi-agitation-cartoon-from-NCERT-text-book-Karunanidhi/articleshow/13963524.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mohan
    That is the story of our country. Kashmir, punjab, cartoons, reservations,….go on yielding; pretty soon there willl not be much to give away

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  • pankaj#1

    All;
    Silence here is deafening.
    Just for the sake of initiating something, a small passage from: The Ambassadors’ Club-The Indian diplomat at large:
    The book’s last and super-fine chapter is by Prabhakar Menon who worked very closely with prime minister P.V. Narasimha Rao, “the Quiet Innovator”. Rao had to adjust Indian foreign policy to monumental changes in the world order — the disintegration of the Soviet Union, collapse of Communism, end of the Cold War, America’s dream of a “unipolar world”, the need to “Look East”, et al. He coped with these challenges skilfully. Menon asserts that Rao “brought to bear on India’s foreign policy… a density of thought rarely seen in the conduct of India’s foreign policy”. Rao’s “novel approaches”, he adds, made him a “pathfinder through some of the less chartered terrain … ”. Broadly agreeing with this, Rajan describes PV as “one of the enigmatic, successful and still underestimated prime ministers”.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    And Rao was buried deep by this UPA government. One of the ablest prime Minister and an intellectual giant, was made a person non grata by this ungrateful congress. Remember the Shenanigans of Arjun Singh??Any body???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    My brother in law who is a Doctor used to keep photograph of Mr. Rao
    in his desk. He went into real estate business in nineties and made
    huge amount of money. A person who used to work in a government
    hospital, now owns a small hospital and bundles of money in the bank and many properties in his name. He always thanks Mr. Rao
    for all the fortune he has made.
    On his insistence I had bought my first plot of land.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj, Mohan-
    I was in high school when Narasimha Rao was the PM. I am a successful businessman thanks to the policies he unleashed. My dad says the economic slavery did not end with the British leaving, it persisted and percolated because of the successive Congress govt’s thinking and policies, that a closed controlled economy is good for the majority of Indians.
    I later read up on all our PMs for my own understanding while a student in economics and later doing my MBA.
    What he unleashed, whether he was forced (as Dr Shan says) or not, is simply unbelievable in the India of early 1990s. A leader who had a firm grasp and understanding of economics and the common man set in motion a series of growth programs, the results of which created a fast growing middle class in India; earning India a position in the G20 group of countries.
    He was a tough administrator, having proposed and passed the TADA law.
    He was a leader in the Mahathma Gandhi model – a simple man, not interested in creating wealth for himself or his children – a long way from the current AndhraPradesh crisis of YSR and Jagan Reddy!
    A scholar who knew 8 Indian languages and seven or eight foreign languages; a leader who laid the platform and pillars for India’s growth, a capable administrator who created immense wealth in the country… Rao was all this.

    Congress party does not bring his name up because they are pussies. I think it is not because of any disregard or disrespect for Mr Rao; but because they are afraid of losing Muslim votes because of his alleged non-interference in the Babri affair. Congress of today is a party of pussies; not a party of doers and thinkers like Narasimha Rao.

    I would not have become a world traveling businessman if not for Rao’s policies – in my initial visits to US; I did not see much difference between Indian and American entrepreneurism; my father had to correct me what it would have been had Rao was not the PM.

    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Yes Mr. Rao was instrumental in changing India as we see today. But, his name did surface in corruption when Harshad
    Mehta claimed that he had delivered a bag of Rs one crore
    to Mr. Rao and name of Prabhakar, son of Mr Rao was heard in
    urea scam. Don’t know what was the truth behind these because nothing came out of these allegations as usually happens here and our media moves on to other stories.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb, Vijay Kumar, Mohan,

    the seculars always used to say that Vajapayee was the right man in the wrong party. The congressies say Narasimha Rao was the wrong man in the right party.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Pankaj

    we need to remember Rao and appreciate him further

    a) After 1991, Rao sidelined the weak, meek toadies of Foreign policy like Mani Aiyar and RAW started matching ISI conspiracy to conspriacy. Altaf hussain became India’s friend. Pakistan knew that it’s time was up and stopped interfering in Punjab.

    Unfortunately, the darpoks of India like IK Gujral gave it up for a kakaori Kabab plate.

    b) The revolution in economic policy could have only been bought about by Rao. Compare him to Rajiv gandhi who entrusted his economic policy to SB Chavan and Rao to MMS, the difference is obvious.

    Congress toadies are trying to give the credit for the India story to Rajiv in their true bootlicking of Parivar manner. I hope truth prevails.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Secular brigade is conspicuous by its absence. Khujali mit nahin paa rahi hai. Koi rasta???

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  • Anonymous

    Gentlemen:

    Need for deep India/US relations..Tim Roemer, former Ambassador in Washington Post

    “Deepening the Ties between US an India”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/deepening-the-ties-between-the-us-and-india/2012/06/08/gJQAQbTjOV_story.html

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Binoy;
    In full agreement with you.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Tim Roemer was a nice guy who was pretty popular in India. Nice article.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    This is what this article says,

    ‘This week’s “strategic dialogue” between Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna should prioritize the building of stronger trade and commercial relationships to compensate for losses in other global markets and to help people struggling at home.’

    I doubt whether anything concrete will come out of this meeting because
    I am not sure what Mr. Krishna spoke to Ms. Clinton. He might have
    unknowingly carried a file of our economic relations with Poland, Hungary or perhaps Romania and would have probably carried on the
    conversation with Ms. Clinton on that basis without realizing his grave mistake as we saw when he had given a speech at UN.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Kahan ho yaar. Abhi saare Pakistani papers niptayen hain, tum se chonch ladane ki khujli ho rahi hai aur tum gayab ho?? Bahoot naa insafi hai. A la gabbar singh.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    I hope everything is ok with him.

    There was a drone attack on Muridke… No2 of Al Queeda has said al vida.

    I hope Ravi osama reforms and talks about unifying INdia, rather than plan to destroy it from inside along with Engrich, kasab, afzal guru.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Just to provoke you. : Chhota Rajan gang is behind murder of suspected IM member in Pune jail. Your comments are eagerly waited by me.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Oh Pankaj

    This is a simple incident perpetrated by a small group of hoodlums on an even smaller group of miscreants.

    You will have to do better than this to provoke me.

    I hope you appreciate the style of dismissal. I learnt it from you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    You mean killers were not Hindu fanatics as one Muslim leader
    has claimed that Muslims are not safe even in jails of India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan.

    I do not know and care even less.

    My retort was to Pankaj who was being provocative, having previously dismissed one of my earlier posts.

    Just banter nothing else.

    As far as details of Islamist Fundamentalists and their violent means is concerned I leave that to a very large contingent of Islamophobes here who exercise heightened vigilance as their political slant dictates.

    I only provide counter examples, as my personal slant compels me to do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since Pankaj could not provoke you, I though I will give it a
    try.

    Ravi Reply:

    Did you succeed??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Little bit, probably 1% only.

    Ravi Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Why don’t you ask Manohar to come back. He respects you and
    your views and he may listen to you.

    Ravi Reply:

    I will never do that.

    I would also urge you not to do that. He has his reasons, details of which we do not know and double guessing them publicly would be immoral.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Understood and I respect your reason of not asking him to
    come back.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You should be one hell of a worried man,,because it will impinge on your dole.
    Qateel was a Dawood man who has been bumped off by a patriotic Chota Rajan through his hit men inside the jail.

    Anonymous Reply:

    there is another twist reported that he was killed by Bhatkal operatives because Bhatkal bros did not want the investigation to get to them

    Anonymous Reply:

    Intelligence bureau should give supari to get these Bhatkal brothers too bumped off.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    In fact that Muslim guy must have said “Muslims are all being sent to jails..so they can be killed easily (collect and discard).. and that is why we need our girls to marry at 15 so they replenish these dead people”…I can see that coming

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Chalo kuchh jaan to Aayi tumh main.

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    Ravi Reply:

    जान दी, दी हुई उसीकी थी

    हक तो यह है, की हक अदा न हुआ

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Hak to yeh hai? Kya ise Had to ye hai nahin hona chahiye tha?

    Ravi Reply:

    You know more than me. I bow to your superior wit.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Serriously, I wish to learn some urdu from you. No badmashi here on my part.

  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Ab thak gayan hun yaar. This is the last mail for you. Read a Pakistani Journalist, based in Delhi, Sonya Fatah. title of article is: Tracing the Origin of doom and gloom of Pakistan:
    Good day for you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I was enjoying a wedding.

    Is Sonya Faith as good as Wendy Doniger or Martha Nussbaum, who are both eminent professors.

    I like them because they get stuck in the throats of HINDU RIGHT and watching them squirm is about the most pleasurable spectacle a man can behold.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Great. For each, his/ her pleasure. But reverse can also be true.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The reverse, when the Hindu Right gives back to the fake Ravi in equal or more measure, his piles will pain more unbearably, is also true.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj
    The seed was sown in 1947. An entity built on hatred, separation, division has to perpetuate it, because it does not have an existence without that. All aspirational goals are built on the founding platform of hatred; hatred wins always.

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  • pankaj#1

    Parveenji;
    An Allahabad news that Vishwajeet Azad and Seema Azad have been sentenced for lifr imprisoment for Sedition. What is real story??Please enlighten me.

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  • Anonymous

    Why do boys go to temple?
    Because temple is the only place where you can find

    Pooja
    Bhavna
    Shradha
    Aarti
    Archana
    Aradhana
    Sadhna
    Shanti
    Jyoti
    Preeti
    Bhakti

    And finally

    Trupti

    And then

    Mukti

    Good morning friends.

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  • Anonymous

    Watch a short video on why because of some rules poor remain poor in our country. Delhi police makes a crore every month from riksha drivers because
    of a stupid rule . There is a link to another Intresting article on quotas for Auto riksha drivers.

    http://satyameva-jayate.org/2012/06/03/quotas-minorities-permits/

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  • Anonymous

    This is for Manohar.

    People can always afford alcohol no matter what the price hike is but they will
    make a huge hue and cry over petrol

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  • Anonymous

    The best way to feel like a genius is to hang around stupid people.

    We will definitely succeed in life if we follow all the advices that we give to
    others

    ==

    For sure one day your life will flash before your eyes. So you better make sure
    it’s worth watching

    Alcohol doesn’t solve any problem,but neither does milk

    These are not mine I have copied from another blog. How on Sunday you
    all are busy and on a working day in Dubai I am free. You people all are lucky.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Alcohol doesn’t solve any problem….”
    It is supposed to dissolve problems. At least Devdas believed it.

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  • Anonymous

    A heart wrenching story from Pakistan.

    Wherever there is a wall of separation, I want to tear it down.

    http://dawn.com/2012/06/09/wherever-there-is-a-wall-of-separation-i-want-to-tear-it-down/

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  • Anonymous

    Dont give too much respect to Wendy Donger and Martha Nussbaum:
    ——————————————————————————————

    There is an unofficial auditors circuit of which I can claim to be part, only because by accident I became a CA. At one informal lunch, a friend who audits the Jamia unviersity commented that the VC had gone out of the way to humour two bugbears of Hinduism– Martha and Wendy and given them material and lectures that the current problems in India are caused by Hindus and HInduism.

    In fact if I remember correctly, the VC of Jamia had written some papers on this along with Wendy DOnifger. Being Amricans these women knew little of the ground situation in India and fell flat for the Anti Hindu line of the Jamia VC

    Now everyone has a right to do what thier heart desires. But what is irritating is that Jamia Millia is a centrally funded uninversity. If the VC is so liberal and clear hearted, why does he not call Salman Rushdie, George Bush and Praveen Togadai to jamia to get their views on liberal values and problems in Islam?

    This is all part of the current slide in values, where forced marriage of nubile 15 year old girls is called liberal and secular and the same trolls would call Martha Nussbaum and Wendy as liberals.

    But talk about rape of 15 year old girls… these fools would say AFTER ALL IT IS WRITTEN IN SHARIA… AND SHARIA IS THE HEIGHT OF LIBERAL THOUGHT!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,

    I don’t know whether both these ladies have admitted to have received
    the material from VC of Jamia but an another writer Mr. Yoginder Sikand
    had recently admitted that he was being paid to write articles against
    Hindus and Hinduism.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    well, to put a stereotypical twist, both these are jewish ladies, they will not have any qualm in doing writing/speaking for money

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A poor student likes nothing more than applause and money.
    Wendy and Martha felt that applause and money they got in jamia makes them big scholors

    Anonymous Reply:

    HInduism is so much fun so even if wendy added a sex angle given her American background, no problem. Problem arises that Wnedy knows where the gun is. She will be scared to talk about forced marriages of 15 yr old girls. In the eyes of the Islamists she is committing Gunaah by marrying 3 times and haveing sex outside marriage.
    She would be too scared of the gun to critcize and speak against the hardliners of Jamia.
    Shane that our tax money is used to fund Wendy and Martha through Jamia, courtsey kapil Sibal and Arjun Singh ( now in heaven)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jamia Milia is liberal is like Kayani saying Paksitan is peaceful

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Both are good as jokers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jamia thinks that it is liberal as long as it critiizes HIndus and applauds Sharia. In their lexicaon opposing Sharia means you area a hardliner.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    So in the end Wendy and Martha are just IPL cheer leaders dancing to money?

    No wonder Ravi loves them.

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  • Anonymous

    Binoy
    Tim Roemer has made a persuasive case for a broader and deeper relationship between India and USA.
    This is the time – to rectify the food distribution system, to monitor the Western neighbour, to develop energy projects, etc

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  • Anonymous

    With a long history of Islam (starting from 600s, and Arabs before that), Kerala never had a Islamic kingdom except this small one, 10 miles from my home. The interesting thing was that the eldest woman will be the King with the title “Adi Raja xxxx Biwi” .
    May be the woman becoming the chief must have come from the practice prevalent in kerala that women inherit property and not men.

    http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/article3509127.ece?homepage=true

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  • Anonymous

    maybe !

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  • Anonymous

    Team Anna member Kiran Bedi on Sunday invoked Mahabharata to attack Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in the alleged irregularities in the coal block allocation. “PMO clears Prime Minister. Did Dhritarashtra in Mahabharata not support Kauravas even after they attempted to disrobe Draupadi?
    related storiesSuspicious about PM’s role in coal blocks: AnnaPM can claim innocence only after probe: Team AnnaNo SIT probe into coalgate: PMO to AnnaIndian genes/culture? or?,” Bedi tweeted

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now congress, seculars and Muslims wil use this as the evidence that Anna team is part of RSS. Or they will demand that Anna team has also to quote a character from Islamic holy books… these are the times of offensive cartoons

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  • Anonymous

    Rs.1,500 crore spent on cleaning Yamuna goes
    down the drain, polluted stretch increases from 500km to 600km

    Read more
    at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/clean-yamuna-mission-fails-panipat-delhi-stretch-most-polluted/1/199976.html

    We are very good at spending money but very very bad at spending money
    sensibly.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Very sad.

    I cross the yamuna everyday. We claim to worship our rivers but dump toxic waste in them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cleaning the rivers may be an area where US/India cooperation can pay dividends..
    get PWD out of these projects..their role is to steal only! Ask Vijay

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Gopi,

    If Mallika Sarabhai reads this she may say, “why clean up Jamuna, a river revered by Hindus? Let us spend this money on some more court cases against Modi”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    you are right; she will say that!

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  • vijay !

    Shan’s comments censored.

    Pathank G… is that you?

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  • Anonymous

    What had Shan written that moderator decided to censor ? Even I missed that post . Shan will you pease repost. Now will this also get censored.?
    ——

    Gorilla vs Man :p

    A married couple @ Zoo walks past a gorilla enclosure.
    Says d woman: ‘Mark, do u know that gorillas r d only animals which resemble men in their behavior? Look, seeing that no one is looking, I’ll expose one of my breasts to it & see how horny it gets just men do.’
    Mary then exposes one of her breasts, and, sure enough the gorilla gets excited and grabs the bars of the enclosure as if it wanted to break free.
    ‘See,’ says the woman, ‘Now, I know why you react the way you do; men can’t control their animal instincts just like gorillas can’t.’
    Says Mark: ‘Now expose both breasts and let us see what happens.’
    The woman exposes both breasts to the gorilla and it gets very excited and is now desperately trying to escape from the enclosure. Says Mark: ‘This is incredible, now, pull your skirt up, turn around and expose your bum and let us see what  happens!’
    The woman pulls her skirt up, turns around with her bum to the gorilla, which by now, was extremely aroused, breaks free from the enclosure, grabs the woman and starts yanking the clothes off her.
    The woman yells: ‘Mark , what do I do now? Please, help me!’

    Mark replies: ‘Now, tell him you have a headache n you are not in mood’.
    Let us see if Gorillas and Men are the same.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    I am speechless !

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan Babu,

    if you earn any profit (a big IFFFFF), please donate it to our Vidyasagar Good Deeds Foundation that helps poor children join schools with full uniforms and books etc.

    Ravi is a fraud as much as his Wendy-Nassbaum are unoriginal. They have only written their comments on somebody else’s comments!

    As for censorship on this blog, to be fair, these days we rarely miss our posts. Still, I would wholeheartedly condemn any deliberate censoring of posts.

    PS: ONE OF MY POSTS ON WENDY-NASSBAUM HAS ALSO BEEN CENSORED!

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar
    Mallika Sarabhai has started a movement in Gujrat against the spending on a (cabinet approved) plan to build the tallest statue of Saradr Patel – she says that the spending could be used for other beneficial projects, and that the government should undertake the projects that Gujratis write in (based on her movement).

    I dont have a problem per se, but I thought the assembly, parliament, ministers are supreme; people do not have a voice other than through voting..

    Now, the press has not made an issue of this….on whose side is Mallika Sarabhai?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    Different standards for different states. Statue parks of UP, Shivaji statue near Gateway of India, etc. none got the attention of mallika, but come Modi in picture and she started frothing in the mouth.

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  • pankaj#1

    Shan;
    Sorry mate, I am compiling them since quite sometime. I collect only originals from both of them( Unheard by me before). I also plan to have them in a book form, Mohan Jaban de chuke hain. Profit, if any, will certainly not go to wendy and Martha, they are already being well provided by Jamia(that is our money, after all).

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  • Anonymous

    You cannot putdown an idea whose time has come.
    Shoeb , INDIA BEFORE AND AFTER NARASHIMA RAO
    iNDIA just after independence was VERY VERY VERY poor and difficult country.
    Just emerged from a BLOODY PARTITION which brought in MILLIONS OF REFUGEES ALL OVER PUNJAB AND DELHI AND WEST BENGAL.Literacy rate was 30 percent , FAMINES were a regular occurance .
    Admitted India had MASSIVE STERLING DEBT OF UK TO INDIA to cash upon.
    Then there was BUM pakistan and SCUM China and all those WARS.
    Also the ******* ENGLAND(the scots and welsh are much nicer people) WAS STILL SMARTING FROM THE LOSS OF EMPIRE, and churchill said he will not presiide over the demise of his majesty’s empire , which he was compelled to do.
    SO WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF INDIA DID NOT FORM NON ALIGNED BLOCK AND JOINED US BLOCK.
    Remember NO COUNTRY WOULD PROVIDE STEEL MAKING TECHNOLOGY .
    It is only when Soviets came up with BHILAI plant in MP , the rest followed to counter russian influence.
    As for TATA AND BIRLA , they are like the PAKISTANI ARMY , suckers of national wealth.
    HINDUSTAN MOTORS AMBASSADOR CAR was MORRIS OXFORD OF UK
    1950, EVERY PENNY WAS GOVT MONEY IN FOREIGN EXCHANGE(STERLING DEBT).
    No body prevented BIRLA from flooding the world market with cars . BUT IT BECAME A BUTT OF JOKES WORLD OVER.
    iNDIA NEVER DEVOLOPED TRUE CAPITALISM (PERMIT RAJ)IT DEVOLOPED
    CRONY CAPITALISM , the same tradition is still alive , thus there is severe
    restriction on foreign holding in RETAIL AND PENSION AND BANKING
    Now a quote from Nirad Chaudhri’s THY HAND GREAT ANARCH, page 440 last para (this is the bit why my post was censored)
    “Gandhi’s demands for money were made in the unabashed manner of all Hindu holy men.He would never be shame faced about this.
    The day after his arrival the young women of the BIRLA family came to do their obeisance to him.But they had come solely with reverance , not money.
    So Gandhi said to them BETIYAN HUMARE LIYE KUCH NEHI LAYI HO
    In the afternoon they called again WITH FIVE HUNDREED RUPEES EACH
    They could not even think of putting the notes in his hands , but laid them at his feet.
    THE RISE OF BIRLAS AS THEY SAY THE REST IS HISTORY
    No wonder someone said “YEH AZADI JHOOTA HAI”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    just one or two points.

    India, post independece, remained poor by choice, not force of circumstances. Long before Aug.1947, Nehru had decided that socialism was the way to go for India and he lost no time, dragging India down that road.

    India was offered economic renaissance by the US, like it had offered to South Korea, but while Korea gladly grabbed the offer, India rejected the hand of friendship and progress.

    The licence-quota-permit raj was an off-shoot of the same oppressive socialistic pattern of governance, put in place by the oppressive regime for control and corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS
    “oppressive engine of control and corruption” may be a tad overblown.

    Yes the government was oppressive to business and new business formation through all the license rajs and controls, but not oppressive to freedoms – I do get your point that if people do not have economic hopes, in a sense it is an oppression.

    Also, Nehru and our early crop of leaders were not financially corrupt, may be proponents and victims of corrupt ideas like socialist utopia, USSR model etc.

    His unchangeable belief in socialism, Fabian socialism did us in. There was a golden opportunity for him to accept Chakravarthy Rajagopalachari’s ideas of free enterprise rooted in Indian ethos – Rajaji was a brainy guy -; Nehru refused to try it out; with congress losing thinkers like Masani. Mody, Rajaji and a lot of others.

    Nehru also went after false pride and prestige – what was the big deal for a starving country to have a national airline ? (this is an Asian disease; the first thing Bangla Desh did after getting freedom was to start an airline company Bangla Biman or something like that)..What w as the purpose in running around forming a third front, when Indians were starving? the list goes on…

    Whatever his faults may be, he remains a great Indian, rooted in India, wishing to do good for it..
    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I agree with you on personal freedom. A true democrat, Nehru never thought of himself above the constitution. But the economic system he put in place became so corrupt and the shackles were so all-encompassing, all individual enterprise got killed and the state became an inefficient capitalist and corrupt employer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    agree.
    the interesting thing is that Nehru’s darling USSR is no more, and the remnants are free enterprise all across.. China is capiatalistic.. India is still meddling in no man’s land

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Shan

    Initially Nehru’s steps towards socialism and state enterprises may have bee necessary in the context of 1947, but it should not have become a reason for imposing controls on entrepreneurship and markets.

    Governance is about what is good for the country. By mid seventies India had gone too deep into the socialist and permit raj road that fast economic growth was not possible.

    Dismantling them was impossible as no body had the vision and a million reason were cooked up why India needed them.

    It was only Rao and MMS under Headmaster like orders from IMF who were able to do it. I doubt whether any Gandhi parivarwalla would have taken these steps

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu
    There are various reasons and contextual situations as to why certain policies are pursued by any Govt/country.
    Even within the context of who will fund steel industry etc, Indian entrepreneurship should have been unleashed rather than inhibiting with controls, license raj, and unending inspectors for this and that.
    The unfortunate thing is that UPA/Congress seems to revert back to those days!

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  • Anonymous

    I have been reading an interesting book on Islam and its historical origins – “In the Shadow of the Sword: the Birth of Islam and the Rise of the Global Arab empire” by Tom Holland, a classical scholar from Oxford..

    One of the relevant questions he asks, based on loyalty and heroism in Quran quite similar to Homer’s Iliad is ” The one features angels; the other gods. Why, then, should we believe that the account of the Prophet’s first great victory is any more authentic than the legend of the siege of Troy?” He is questioning Ibn Hashim’s description of the Battle of Badr where Muhamed won the “first great victory” against Meccan enemies , where the outnumbered Muslims were supported by angels. Yet this battle, Holland observes, is often treated as though it were as rooted in history as, say, the Battle of Waterloo.

    He concludes that Islam was born not in the deserts of Arabia, but in the borders of Syria/Palestine , a region that had long been devastated by plagues and wars. He says the Querishis may not have been Meccans but Arab tribes that had grown rich on Roman-Byzantine patronage. Far from being illiterate, as his biographers claim with a view of emphasizing Quran’s miraculous character, Muhamed was a sophisticated man who “laid claim to traditions of divine inspirations that were immeasurably venerable”, knowing full well what he was about.

    Dr Shantanu may know more about this author.

    I have not seen any price put on Tom Holland’s head. I am sure it will be announced soon!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Has Tom Holland got a “shvaet lingham” and does he enjoy horizontal payments in-lieu of money.

    I guess he is acceptable to you because he is writing on Islam, as a foreigner which is allowed.

    Contrast this with other eminent foreigners – that you vehemently dislike totally baselessly and from a point of abject ignorance only because they -write about Hinduism and present a unorthodox but substantiated view.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Hafeez Saeed eminent terrorist has been asked to apply piles cream to you with love by LeT so that the pain of drone attacks on Tora Bora is reduced :)

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  • Anonymous

    Every employed person has had to seek leave through an application, from his employer.
    Here are a few “examples” which no employee would like to copy:

    Infosys, Bangalore : An employee applied for leave as follows:
    Since I have to go to my village to sell my land along with my wife, please sanction me one-week leave.

    This is from Oracle Bangalore: From an employee who was performing the mundan ceremony of his 10 year old son:
    as I want to shave my son’s head, please leave me for two days..

    Another gem from CDAC. Leave-letter from an employee who was performing his daughter’s wedding:
    as I am marrying my daughter, please grant a week’s leave..

    From H.A.L. Administration Dept:
    As my mother-in-law has expired and I am only one responsible for it, please grant me 10 days leave.
    Another employee applied for half day leave as follows:
    Since I’ve to go to the cremation ground at 10 o-clock and I may not return, please grant me half day casual leave.

    One of the funniest leave applications was written by my own attender-colleague some forty years ago: Sir, as I have to fire my grand mother,who has died, pl.sanction one C.L.

    Another clerk once applied for leave thus: As I have to attend the closing ceremony of my grand father, pl, sir, grant a day’s casual leave.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, as Amitabh Bachan said “English is a funny language”

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Shenoy sahab;
    Enjoyed this collection.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great. Good collection of Gujarat angrezi.

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  • Anonymous

    Tax fears make overseas investors pull out Rs 1 trillion from
    India

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Tax-fears-make-overseas-investors-pull-out-Rs-1-trillion-from-India/articleshow/13999266.cms

    The flight of PN investments began late in March after the government in its
    union budget proposed new taxation regime of General
    Anti-Avoidance Rule (GAAR) and certain retrospective amendments for taxing
    offshore transactions.

    Sources said that PN investors have already
    pulled out close to Rs 1 lakh crore (about USD 20 billion) from Indian equity
    and debt markets, while they might have decided against putting in fresh
    investments worth at least Rs 50,000 crore ever since the new tax policy was
    proposed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    It is peanuts compared to what YSR/Jagan Reddy has stolen. We can make it up by diverting the YSR/Jagan Steal Authority money back to the taxpayers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes it is amazing the way YSR and Jagan looted the state and I will
    not be at all amazed to know that Jagan will be able to get away
    with ease.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Mohan

    YSR and Jagan have only been exposed since they have gone against the high command. In case they would have kept touching the feet of Mataji and “Baby of the nation” they would have managed to keep their wealth hidden in their undies

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju and Mohan
    I am pretty disappointed at the media for not giving front page coverage every day for this episode in our nation’s history.

    I am also disappointed why outfits like Tehelka or Open Magazine or for that matter anybody else in the media have not done investigative reporting on this.

    Fisrt of all this is not a usual corruption case a ka Adarsh, CWG, UP health scam, Bihar fodder scam, Spectrum, Coal.. It is not just a large – the tally is adding up to unimaginable numbers – corruption case — but a frightening one in its scale, scope, and how it was executed.

    YSR aligned his party leaders (at the local level, in the assembly, and in the council of ministers), the bureaucracy (right from the top Chief Secretary to the lowliest panchayat clerk), police, and even courts to execute this flawlessly – to loot the land, rivers, minerals, buildings, heritage..

    Somebody remarked in this blog, Sonia, when finally became aware of the scope, had to put a stop to that. I sort of believe that even if she must have received payments from this before she took action.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes it is very strange that YSR used whole government machinery to loot whole state and still media did not bother to
    highlight the corruption going on at such a scale.
    Media, politicians, beaurocracy all are hand in glove together.

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Pranab Mukherjee was grossly overated as finance Minister. He has casued a calamity.

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  • vijay !

    @ Shenoy

    Talking about English,

    I am told that our hon Giani Zail Singh caused a diplomatic furore. On a visit to England in the 80’s he had one look at the ducks in the lake and then remarked to the queen of England accompanying him, “Madam very beautifull … bataakhs….”

    The Queen had immediately covered her buttocks…and almost shouted “rape rape..” and rushed away…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    She should have been happy that at least some one praised her buttocks.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    I know !! I bet she pretended to be offended but must have been preening with pride !

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  • Anonymous

    Air India pilots are on strike since more than one month. Is anyone bothered ?
    Even media has almost stopped reporting anything on this topic. I am hearing rumours that our politicians and some leaders of pilot’s guild are being bribed by other airlines- some local and few international – to continue the strike.

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  • Anonymous

    Now, Vayalar Ravi, central cabinet minister says that there is American money behind Anna movement.

    (Shrimathi Indira Gandhi always used to bring up American/CIA involvement whenever there was an internal issue- Looks like congress is going back to that tactic!)

    Now this Vayalar Ravi – he cannot win a constituency in kerala, and he has been a cabinet rank minister – for a trivial portfolio called Overseas indian Affairs (as if domestic Indians’ problems have been solved)..
    Couple of questions – Why a full cabinet minister for Overseas Indian Affairs? Why Ravi? (his wife was a Christian, may be that is a qualification)

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    vijay ! Reply:

    They will soon get CIA, Mossad and then regress back to the old era of licences.

    This is the ill effect of Amul baby who has nullifed the Rao and Vajpayee era.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    American money ?
    We will check with Pankaj, Binoy and Rajeev whether they have funded
    this anti corruption movement.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Mohan, Vinoo, Ishwar, Gopi, Pankaj & Vijay

    Thank you for the kind words, which was rather unexpected. I am humbled by the groundswell of goodwill.

    Ishwar
    ‘No Manohar, no Ishwar’. Thanks
    Please do not give so much importance to an old foggy, I am not worth the trouble.

    Pankaj
    ‘I will say, forgiveness is higher then revenge;
    One can forgive and forget a one time offender, but habitual offenders?

    The reason for taking leave from the blog was the gutter language that is being tolerated and most of them not ready to take a stand and say ‘enough is enough’. Is there no premium left on decency and etiquette?

    A) What does gutter sniping, abuse and personal attacks achieve? That you have driven home your point of view and win a point? Perhaps yes, but at what cost?
    1) Enmity between people who do not know each other from Adam.
    2) Driving people away who are more articulate, intelligent and scholarly than us, who would have added to our knowledge and understanding extensively. Dr. Shah Alam Khan (AIIMS) is an example. (Unless that is precisely the objective – drive away people who have a different point of view and make the blog one dimensional).
    3) It amply demonstrates intolerance, an attribute we do not hesitate to condemn our enemies for.

    I hope that we will not see anymore slime being allowed to float around, no personal attacks and abuse. We have no right to abuse the freedom allowed on an unmoderated blog.

    My apologies for the above, as I did not wish to give lectures on moral science and etiquette, but I had to state the reasons for my decision, given the appeals made by you all. Sorry.

    On account of the requests made, I will be doing a rethink.

    ==

    In the meantime here is something for you all to enjoy.

    1) THOKAR – 1953 – ae gam-e-dil kyaa karoo.n – Talat Mehmood
    Composer: Sardar Malik Lyricist; Majaaj

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adeLKaJ6IhU

    2) HUM LOG – 1951 – chali jaa chalo jaa – Lata Manheshkar
    Composer: Roshan Lyricist: Vishwamitra Adil + Udhav Kumar

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OAb1yamMQU

    3) KALI GHATA – 1951 – hamse naa poochho koi pyaar – Lata Mangeshkar
    Composer: Shankar Jaikishan Lyricist: Hasrat Jaipuri

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyV5FME2lzQ

    4) DAERA – 1953 – devtaa tum ho meraa sahaaraa – Mubarak Begum + Mohammad Rafi
    Composer: Jamal Sen Lyricist: Kaif Bhopali

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkLJ7YPcIVM

    5) FAREB – 1953 – aa mohabbat ki basti – Lata Mangeshkar + Kishore Kumar
    Composer: Anil Biswas Lyricist: Majrooh Sultanpuri

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVuijY_qXXM

    6) MAYUR PANKH – 1953 – mohabbat ki daastaa.n – Lata Mangeshkar
    Composer: Shankar Jaikishan Lyricist: Hasrat Jaipuri

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmdiQYf3Tz8

    Watch Helen in probably her first important role in a Hindi Film. Earlier she did work as a chorus dancer.

    ==

    Here is something which will probably appeal more to Punjabis, especially Pankaj and Ravi.

    Rendition of Heer Waris Shah by Hina Nasrullah. The Punjabi is of 18th century vintage and becomes difficult to understand, yet this rendition is a delight to the ears.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwCPrOG_NEA

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am delighted that you are considering to come back. personally, I have never used foul language against anybody, and I will never do that in future also, whatever the provocation. interacting with each other in this virtual way also generate some kind of kinship, I have always remained a player in my life and adversaries are there to enjoy in interaction with them, outside field, we are great friends. I do not agree with many of your points and agree with many. No body can control everybody and I have no pretension of being positioned in such manner. I am glad that many other also thought that you are a valuable member of this ADDA.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    We all know the people who have chosen to pollute the blog. As I said, it must be a tactic to drive people away, so that blog is of the type – “One writes blah, blah, blah and others say yes, yes, yes”.

    Why cannot we keep this ADDAA 100% free of contamination by our joint efforts?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Just to add to splendid sentiments expressed by Pankaj.

    The best thing is to ignore the TWO prime abusers here. The rest of regulars provide a good discussion from which every one learns, matures and moderates their hitherto strongly held views.

    I am going to do just that and would hope others will follow suite.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Yes I agree! So let us all ignore Ravi and Engrich :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I am happy to know that you have decided to come back on the best
    blog of our country. It will be ideal that no abusive language is used here.

    p.s. Only I should be sometimes allowed to use ‘abusive’ words otherwise
    some of my jokes will sound pheeka.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Not so fast. I said I am only doing a rethink.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like I missed some action here. The pressure of work didn’t allow me to be regular. But a few lines from your postings gives me indication that you have been hurt by somebody’s behaviour.

    I am not sure what it is. I don’t have patience to go through past pages to check the event. But I must politely remind you that the blog is way far clean than what it used to be many moons ago. Remember those days when every sentence of few people used to be packed with abuses. Recollect the kind of effort it has taken to bring that down. You must not let that effort go waste.You survived all that disgusting phase. I am surprised you decided to call it a day at this stage. Time to enjoy better times now.

    However, I need to take a break now. I may be occasional visitor now onwards. This is for personal reason. Life is a huge backlog. Need to catch up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Abhi na jao chod kar, ke dil abhi bhada nahin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Friend! There are huge issues in life that need attention. But I know I will always be tempted to read the joke of the day.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Pathak G

    Currency notes se jayada Doston ki comapny ki jyaada mulya hai…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Take the responsibility of keeping this blog clean. You always have been a great company.

    vijay ! Reply:

    I think you should reconsider… be here for an hour… Or have the computer on… as I do and peep in every few hours to add a comment. Normal work does not suffer…

    manohar_T Reply:

    It is not completely somebody’s behaviour that I have been hurt (it will take a lot more to do that), it is the general cleanliness that I am concerned about (may be I have set my standards a bit too high, but then thats me).

    One comes here and half the time scrolling is spent on sides-stepping the filth. It will cost us nothing to make it completely pollution free, but perhaps it is too much to ask.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t look for complete abuse free environment. It’s actually too much to ask for. You will miserably fail if you aim at that. You can’t change people. They will change only when they listen to their own ” inner voice”.

    Some people look for extra fun for their buck, like hooligans in a football stadium. They find football to be exciting when they tease females, break few furniture/fittings or throw cans at people. You can’t change them.

    There are few lovely people on this blog. I hope you will continue to enjoy their company.

    Ravi Reply:

    Hence my request to ignore the TWO who abuse and discuss cleanly with the rest.

    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Manohar

    let me ask a question. Kya aapka mann is blog ke bina lagega?

    Well and the second. There will always be people in life and on this blog, you may not get along with. I could be one of them. But it does not mean you quit.

    Let me tell you something which at times drives me to an extreme nationalist position. Some years back I was exceptionally lucky to have escaped from a terror bomb attack on a Delhi market. Others suffered and some died. i was close to the bomb, but inside a car which blew up like a balloon due to the suction pressure, yet by a freak luck I escaped with minor injuries.

    So now, I guess I am like a Pavlovian dog. When I smell somebody pushing in a terrorist agenda… I react. But then I am me, molded by my life . So even if Ravi is from Sialkot, the place from where my grandad left for India… and probably speaks Punjabi better than me, for me it is more important on who is putting forward a pro terror agenda and who is not…

    He always abuses first. In the current exchange he called me Raja or something . read it. I only react and push him back to Tora bora or Muridke…. :)

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Kya aapka mann is blog ke bina lagega?

    Definitely yes.

    Before I came here, I was having a great time in life. I have made sure that I do not get addicted to anything in life, including this blog.

    There are many more cleaner places/blogs, where I can have equally great time minus the filth. Plus there are many more interesting things I do other than blogging to keep myself occupied.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “I did not wish to give lectures on moral science and etiquette”….

    You have precisely done that in huge dollops.

    You absented yourself from the blog voluntarily and now you are back with complaints of abusive language, pretensions to injured innocence and a totally misplaced holier-than-thou attitude.

    You have never shirked from using abusive language yourself, often joining hands with confirmed fakes like Ravi and engrich just to spite people opposing your “congress good or bad” kind of arguments. You have also supported their anti-India, anti-Hindu propagandist views unreservedly, unabashedly, which has often been pointed out to you by many on this blog, but you have refused to pay heed.

    What then is the point you are making now? That you will only return when all who criticise you shut their mouths up?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “I did not wish to give lectures on moral science and etiquette”….

    You have precisely done that in huge dollops.

    You absented yourself from the blog voluntarily and now you are back with complaints of abusive language, pretensions to injured innocence and a totally misplaced holier-than-thou attitude.

    You have never shirked from using abusive language yourself, often joining hands with confirmed fakes like Ravi and engrich just to spite people opposing your “congress good or bad” kind of arguments. You have also supported their anti-India, anti-Hindu propagandist views unreservedly, unabashedly, which has often been pointed out to you by many on this blog, but you have refused to pay heed.

    What then is the point you are making now? That you will only return when all who criticise you shut their mouths up?

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  • pankaj#1

    Gurucharan Das wrote in TOI:
    The arrest of Jagan Mohan Reddy, MP from Kadapa in Andhra Pradesh, is another reminder of a lesson that Indians have failed to learn so far. And this is that the root cause of corruption lies in the excessive discretionary authority in the hands of politicians and officials. The reforms in 1991 took away some of that discretion but many sectors of the economy are still unreformed. Thus, scams happen in the dark alleys of unreformed sectors such as land transactions, mining and government purchases. So, the answer to corruption may well lie in actions of the 1991 variety…..
    The real crime of the UPA government lies in not initiating the second-generation reforms. These would have significantly reduced the chances of scams in mining, 2G spectrum, Adarsh housing and purchases for the Commonwealth Games. Anna Hazare’s team has rightly blamed “crony capitalism” but it has not explained that the nexus between business and politics exists because there’s still too much discretion with public officials. Countries free of corruption do not allow discretion to officials but rely on the impersonal forces of the market to decide economic outcomes.
    Read full article please.
    And we are being told that Corruption?? what about it. It is communalism which has to be dealt first. This is being told by shouting brigade, who are utmost communal and corrupt to the core. Wah re Bharat Mahan.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Guess whose student Mr Gurcharan Das was???

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    vijay ! Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Jagan and YSR have only been exposed because they fell out with the COngress.. Imagine the same media and powers would have bent down backwards portraying them as secular, progressive, kind hearted. “English is” as Amitabh bachchan said “A funn nnnny languange…”

    I would say, “Our media is Funni funny fanny….”

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  • vijay !

    Really really really !! classy !! funny !! unbeatable !!!!

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  • pankaj#1

    Yet to see a more rowdy person than you. Unimaginable and unmanagable/ unsurpassable too.

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  • pankaj#1

    Mohan;
    In many cultures, love between same sex was a traditional thing. Today, Gay parades are being taken out in Greece and Tel Aviv. sin of Sodom and Gomorrhe have been described, these places actually exists in Middle east. I am being tempted to tell one joke, of same genre, with trepidation.
    ” When, ek nakali bane sher ne, jo circus main, garibi ki wajah se, ye naukari karta tha aur kam umar bhi tha, raat main apne kheme main, ustadji ko dekh kar hairan hua, jab ustadji ne kuchh galat kadam uthaya, aur ladke ne, protest kiya, Ustadji ne ek radda jamate huye kaha: Saala sher banata hai aur Adha pao gosht nahin kha sakta?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A very good one. Is it only adha pao ? :) :)

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  • Anonymous

    Read the comments by some of you about YSR.

    One thing that has not got wide coverage is that YSR took over significant Waqf land (may be in collusion with Waqf board members).. Some of this land was returned in one court case filed by an Urdu newspaper. The remaining is still with Jagan Reddy in one of the myriad companies YSR set up.

    The Muslim leaders (of AP) like Owaisis kept quiet at YSR stealing in general, and at his Waqf stealing in particular.

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  • vijay !

    @ Pathak

    Let me make a confession, since you are not going to be on the blog. Your advice was good.

    not on having a relationship with a power woman…. since I am already with a woman who is certainly very powerful — she knows the corridors of power! .. ( darling smile… if you read this… this is a joke…. he he… )

    But on looking at areas next to the position of affliction for cure– my bio physics project. though this was mention3d to me by doctors… i took a fresh look at it after we talked about this on the net.

    Anyway I hope u do continue to visit this blog.

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  • Anonymous

    Just now finished watching Aamir Khan’s Satyameva Jayate on disable people.
    He has handled this subject very well. I was truly humbled by the participants
    in this great program. My respect for Mr. Khan is growing every day.

    KAISE AASMAN MEIN SURAKH NAHIN HO SAKTKA
    EK PATHAR TO TABIYAT SE PHENK KAR DEKHO YAAR.

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  • vijay !

    =============================================================
    ~~~ LAST POST !! SIBAL IS A FOOL, A DUNCE, AN IDIOT, A MORON ~~~~
    ==============================================================

    I did not want to write this as this could end up as being snooty and snobbish, while in real life I have no hassle of having beer with my truck driver and lunch with the unskilled worker at my site.

    Sibal’s proposal of factoring in school marks into the IIT exams is stupid. I have been to IIT and I would consider this a foolish, shallow UPA type of effort.

    The problem with IIT’s is that they should have been 30 IIT’s by now . while we probably have only 7. The entrance exam to MTech was exclusive and difficult, and so is the exam to the BTech.

    But to factor in class 12 boards is absultiely illogical. Why? because this board exam varies from state to state and so does the marking pattern. When i was there some years back, certains states would have very high school marks and certain states would have low. Then cheatring in certain state boards was rampant.

    SO how can you factor in those state board resluts which change from state to state… as a factor in IIT? Only the UPA can do this.

    As I said… we need 40 IIT’s and not this SiBBal type of goofups….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are very right. The purity, sanctity and exclusivity of the IITs must be protected at all costs.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    The system is pretty distorted. The HRD Ministry should know that class 12 papers vary from state to state. This will lead to parents enrolling their children in schools where marking is lenient for boards.

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  • vijay !

    =============================================================
    ~~~ LAST POST !! SIBAL IS A FOOL, A DUNCE, AN IDIOT, A MORON ~~~~
    ==============================================================

    I did not want to write this as this could end up as being snooty and snobbish, while in real life I have no hassle of having beer with my truck driver and lunch with the unskilled worker at my site.

    Sibal’s proposal of factoring in school marks into the IIT exams is stupid. I have been to IIT and I would consider this a foolish, shallow UPA type of effort.

    The problem with IIT’s is that they should have been 30 IIT’s by now . while we probably have only 7. The entrance exam to MTech was exclusive and difficult, and so is the exam to the BTech.

    But to factor in class 12 boards is absultiely illogical. Why? because this board exam varies from state to state and so does the marking pattern. When i was there some years back, certains states would have very high school marks and certain states would have low. Then cheatring in certain state boards was rampant.

    SO how can you factor in those state board resluts which change from state to state… as a factor in IIT? Only the UPA can do this.

    As I said… we need 40 IIT’s and not this SiBBal type of goofups….

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  • Anonymous

    I married Miss Right and was very happy until I realized that her first
    name was Always.

    Good morning friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I too married Miss Wrong, and later learnt that her first name was Never.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Good one, Shenoy sahab

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  • Anonymous

    Cutoff for OBC ‘creamy layer’ may be raised to Rs 7 lakh/year

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cutoff-for-OBC-creamy-layer-may-be-raised-to-Rs-7-lakh/year/articleshow/14005313.cms

    NEW DELHI: The Centre may revise ‘creamy layer’ for OBCs at around or less than Rs 7 lakh per annum, diluting the existing ceiling of Rs 4.5 lakh which will bring more backward members in the reservation net and satisfy OBC satraps who resent the eligibility bar for quotas.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    creamy layer….non-creamy layer.Government is good at milking us!

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Bachpan main ek kahani padhi thi. Take ser bhaji, Take ser khaja, Andher nagari, chopat raja.

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  • Anonymous

    Cutoff for OBC ‘creamy layer’ may be raised to Rs 7 lakh/year

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cutoff-for-OBC-creamy-layer-may-be-raised-to-Rs-7-lakh/year/articleshow/14005313.cms

    NEW DELHI: The Centre may revise ‘creamy layer’ for OBCs at around or less than Rs 7 lakh per annum, diluting the existing ceiling of Rs 4.5 lakh which will bring more backward members in the reservation net and satisfy OBC satraps who resent the eligibility bar for quotas.

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  • Anonymous

    In a long line of people waiting for a bank teller, one guy
    suddenly started massaging the back of the person in front of
    him.

    Surprised, the man in front turned and snarled, “Just what the
    hell you are doing?!”

    “Well,” said the guy, “you see, I’m a masseur and I could
    see that you were tense, so I had to massage your back.
    Sometimes I just can’t help practicing my art!”

    “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard!” the guy replied.
    “I work for the IRS. Do you see me ******** the guy in front of
    me?”

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    vijay ! Reply:

    :)

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  • vijay !

    When I shut down my computer last night … I thought they were more than 1000 posts. Now it shows 875 for this blog…

    What happened in the night?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You did not feed your computer that is why it ate more than 100 posts.
    I have here on my PC 1100 posts.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Maybe!

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  • Anonymous

    The Indian stock market has gone up by almost 1000 points in about a week.
    Will this rally be sustained? Any expert on this blog ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is by way of response to the imminence of Modi becoming the PM as soon as there has been a successful no confidence vote on the highly corrupt Manmohan Singh.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I know the reason why the market has gone up and you are bang on target. I wanted to know whether this bull run will continue for some more time ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    It must do. Since MMS is a Cowboy milking the country. Whilst Modi will be a Bull who will cover the country.

    Such is Modi’s power that the rest of Asian Markets have also rallied. It has nothing what so ever to do with Spain bailout being agreed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aapke moohn mein shakkar ka ek poora godam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aapke moohn mein shakkar ka ek poora godam.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Too little too late. Only my donkeys can earn from the Indian stock market … or the inside traders who actually earn from it!

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Too little too late. Only my donkeys can earn from the Indian stock market … or the inside traders who actually earn from it!

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  • vijay !

    ============================================
    ~~~~ INCREDIBLE INDIA ~~~ JAI HO !! ~~~~~~
    ============================================

    Rajgir (Bihar): The Indian Railways continue to provide astounding examples of how passenger safety is compromised every day.

    In Bihar, which has in the recent past supplied several railways ministers including quotable-quote-giver Lalu Prasad Yadav, a train ran for four kilometre without a driver. A tense chase brought it to a halt.

    On Saturday evening, the Shramjeevi Express arrived from Delhi in Rajgir in central Bihar, 100 km from Patna. While it was in the parking bay, it suddenly began moving on the tracks.

    ‘ounded an alert. All movement for trains approaching the station on the same track was stopped.

    Security guards, other train driver and officials were slow off the mark, which led to a four-kilometre chase. Because the train was moving relatively slowly, they were able to jump into the driver’s cabin and pull the brake.

    An inquiry on Sunday revealed that the train began moving because while turning off the engine and bringing down its systems, the driver made a technical mistake. The brake failed and so the train began moving on its own.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Here in Dubai we have driver less trains. Maybe something similar was
    being tried in Bihar.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Well… Bihar with an abundance of population… will only have sleepy driver trains… !

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    When the surpanch of a village in Bihar was asked, how come, population of your village is exploding, answered, Railway is responsible for it. When astonished reporter asked, Railway??? Sarpanch said, yes, train driver, give a long whistle at 3 in the morning and then, it is too early for going to fields.

  • Anonymous

    @ Everyone

    More news from incredible India. Government has sacked the BEML chief.

    So on side it says nothing wrong in Tatra deal, on the other it orders a CBI enquiry . How do you balance the two?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is like Singhvi episode. Official statement of Congress was that he was not involved, yet he was removed as a spokes person of the party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where is he these days? Looking for a new career?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For two weeks he was taking training under N D TIwari, learning
    new tricks and now he is in Italy learning from Silvio Berlusconi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is he in Italy or u r just kidding?

    Where is he now? What about the allegation of his promise of judgeship? Is it all dropped??

    Anonymous Reply:

    He might have become a judge of a film festival of Seedy CD’d himself!

    Anonymous Reply:

    ND Tiwari and Silvio Berlusconi are gurus in what Singhvi was caught doing therefore I assumed that he may be taking training from them to learn new tricks.

  • Anonymous

    Pankajji
    I am sorry for the delay in replying to you. , I saw your comment /query today .
    If I recall correctly ..the Azaad couple you asked about , were allegedly Maoists.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    thanks praveen.
    Sentence appear very harsh.
    See a movie, Shanghai, will make all of us very alert about governments, particularly, present Indian governments.

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  • Anonymous

    US denying Visa to Modi is great news and should be applauded . But Magsasay Awards to memebers of Team Anna is treason….. The govt it appears is running out of ideas..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A failing government on the last legs which is faceless and with its home Minister accused of crime…what is left to defend?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I think this government should be dissolved instantly and
    ALL Congress MPs led by Mrs Sonia Fascist Gnadhi Jilly Foreigner should be frog marched to Tihar Jail.

    The route to the jail should be lined by the conscripted army of Khaki Nikkar, White Shirt and Kali Topi wearing volunteers who should stand giving mid-chest salute and bid them good bye for ever. The congress party who has been ruining the country for the last 60+ years should be banned. N V Rao should be photogenically re-constructed, enrolled in the BJP and made President for eternity. If that is not possible then his picture will do the job just as well.

    Simultaneously, as it has now become patently clear that the
    whole country – without any exception – wants Mr Modi to be the PM, then he should be installed as a PM unopposed instantly.
    His home minister Anna should be given a free reign on admissions policy of our Jan Sangh created pristine academic institutions such as the IITs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre baba! You seem to have lost it because there is no support for the Congress on this blog and little in this country.

    Instead of trying to find an RSS hand in this, they should learn how to run a state efficiently from Modi and also learn how to attract foreign investment, remove corruption and create people’s wealth.

    PV and not NV Rao was among the COngress’ best and sadly they dumped his legacy and have tried to create fiction on the “so far hidden intellect” and policies of Sonia Gandhi and her son,

    Are you a victim of this propaganda?

    Ravi Reply:

    My point exactly

    Anonymous Reply:

    During Emergency the COngress would create myths and fiction of the dynamism of Sanjay Gandhi. Where did he come from, how he became dynamic, nobody knew. They would just keep saying he is dynamic.

    I think that rote learning is still afflicting them in context of Sonia

    Ravi Reply:

    My point exactly Congress crates fiction the truth is with the others.

    I am a total victim of propaganda I look towards the likes of you for TRUTH.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinoo;
    Unfortunately, Ravi is not victim. He is propaganda himself. Click the community button on top and you will find maximum posts from him . heighest number. For an NRI, this kind of interest in India is not an ordinary patriotic interest.

    Ravi Reply:

    Particularly when all the posts are anti Hindu and anti India (A bit of an over emphasis because as every one knows that there is no difference between the TWO – India is for Hindus, Hindus are India – and I am Stevie Wonder)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Amen. Tathastu.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    bahut kam bar pate ki baat kahte ho. Dhanyawad is bahaduri ka.

    Anonymous Reply:

    While I do not want to take cover under “what is the alternative”, do we really have a better alternative? Modi is one man; but the party seems equally corrupt..

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  • Anonymous

    US denying Visa to Modi is great news and should be applauded . But Magsasay Awards to memebers of Team Anna is treason….. The govt it appears is running out of ideas..

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  • Anonymous

    I read about Tendulkar not using the government flat.
    I thought there is a hostel for MPs and not individual houses/flats.
    This simply is too much!
    Can our UK/US based friends let us know whether their central representatives are allotted government houses/flats?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He was suppose to get a bungalow near Rahul Gandhi but he refused to
    take that. The reason he gave was that he will not be able to attend Rajya
    Sabah regularly.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Congress was wanting to cash on Tendulkar’s popularity to compensate for Rahul’s failing image.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why should MPs be given bungalows/flats? I was surprised about this. I thought they all had rooms in a hostel type facility, not individual house allotments…
    (in one sense it may be OK, the property values will fix the budget holes!)

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  • Anonymous

    About bad behaviour of Israeli ex-soldiers in Goa..Study by the Church…better be ready for labeling India as anti-semite by US and Jewish organizations…Mohan, your Sensex is going to fall..
    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/256136/ex-israeli-soldiers-holidaying-goa.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It has come down already. In the morning sensex was up by 170 points and it closed at -50 points.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    ===============================================================
    ~~~ LAA LA LA LAAA ~~ MORE FILTH FROM CONGRESS CORRUPTION
    CUPBOARD ~~~~
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    It takes a good fight for facts to come out for the public. And in jagan’s case ever since he fought with the Congress high command a lot of VERY VERY VERY SORDID facts are coming out of the mouth, undie and bhu_ _ !!

    It seems he and his father had looted, cheated, skimmed clean the entire state of Andhra Pradesh. As long as they were in power, they were projected as the very picture of secularism, tolerance, progress and people’s choice.

    They were keeping their minders and masters in Delhi very very happy!!!

    But once Jagan fell out… the centre started feeling that the loot is not coming in anymore so the action began.

    ========================================================
    IMAGINE YSR HAD GIVEN A LAND MINING LEASE OF 1.41 LAKH ACRESTO HIS SON IN LAW !!! THIS IS THE MOTHER OF ALL SCAMS !! THE FATHER OF ALL LOOT … THE BAAP OF DHOKADHADI !!
    —————————————————————————— !!!

    fROM ndtv

    Hyderabad: Jagan Mohan Reddy’s troubles are scaling up considerably. The politician was told on Monday morning that he would have to remain in jail till the 25th of this month. He is being interrogated by the CBI for alleged corruption. The agency today asked for the court’s permission to conduct a narco-analysis test on Mr Reddy.

    A few hours later, the Andhra Pradesh government announced that it was cancelling a lease granted for mining to Mr Reddy’s brother-in-law, Anil Kumar. The deal, signed between the government and his Rakshana steels, authorised him to mine iron ore over a spread of 1.41 lakh acres.

    The politician complained to the judge that the police had insulted him by bringing him to court in an ordinary police vehicle. “I am the president of a party and an MP and this court has given me special category (prisoner) status,” said Jagan in a memorandum submitted to the court. The judge then directed police to arrange a special vehicle for Mr Reddy for security reasons. Later, a bullet proof vehicle was arranged to take him back to jail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    This is going to be the mother, grandmother, great grandmother of all Indian scams.. let us hope and pray CBI will be allowed total freedom to investigate.
    It simply is not a case of looting zillions. It is the methodical usage of all of the state machinery, from the lowest level bureaucrat to the chief secretary, the alignment of local, district politicians, cabinet – all the nine yards.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    It only came out because Jagan fell out with the Congress. Otherwise he would have been called the secular hero battling the RSS and Modi. YSR pitched himself that way.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Now I have serious concerns about Sonia’s honesty.
    This is the first time that I am raising my finger against her, taking name. there are only two explaination for this situation. either grossly corrupt Indian congress and particularly Sonia and second it is grossly corrupt and incompetent at the same time. No third deduction can be had other then these two.
    Now, congress losing elction is not punishment enough,each actor of this sordid drama has to be investigated, prosecuted and punished, a la African leaders. nothing short will work in cleansing this augustean stable.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    This jagan loot is amazing. Pap just gave 1.41 lakh acres to his son and son inlaw as a matter of right. The state is owned by the family.

    That is why time and again I have spoken against dynastic succession.

    Well YSR was a favourtite boy of Sonia. The loot is unprecdented.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Viju

    This 1.41 lakh acre is just the tip of the iceberg!
    More than money, which many do (although this may beat all), it is the way they did – aligning everything, everybody in perfect alignment – IAS officers, lower levels, IPS, judges, panchayat nd Taluq officials….every one connected was a party /family man-woman of YSR

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bhool Sudhar;
    it is augean stable and not as mentioned above.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    Guys…

    Off for a swim … a respite from the bloody heat… !! Choosing to go to Aman… owned by a certain Mr Vadra… Hope i see Rahul G there.

    Will give all the best wishes from friends on the blog !

    Ciao !

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    My business partner says now swim possible in Aman… so it would be the more plebian NSCI… probably a dinner at Aman then, after that. Will give u
    the report in case I manage to meet Rahul G!

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Vinod Sharma wrote ….”The time window the government has is short. So it must act fast, very fast to reclaim popular mind space”
    The government has started working on his advice in real earnest . …Team Anna is full of anti-nationals and what they are doing is treason …..Get Ministers to chaperone Sachin Tendulkar around……Get him to live next to Rahul Gandhi…what .. he refused …. aye tantiya samjha na usko…Economy is in bad shape because of that Greece….Quota for Muslims shall come … so what if the Constitution does not allow it… and don’t go away we shall be back with some more

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    NOthing can save this government. I hope Vinodji gets his rajya Sabha seat before it falls.

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  • Anonymous

    New blog is on.

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  • Deepali Agarwal
  • Al

    First thing that came to my mind too was the ill treatment he had meted out to his sister. He is not only stupid and foolish; but naive too. It appears he had given control of whatever little grey matter that he had, to someone crafty, cunning and younger. Hence that ugly public spat with his sister.

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  • sanjay kumar.

    very inspiring blog.sanjay dutt himself to blame for the situation he is in at present.he is surely not even a good son of a great father.Balasaheb comment is very true.Sanjay doesnot deserve any sympathy for his repeated misdeeds.

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  • Banana republic

    Dear Sujata : Before cursing Sanjay Dutt for misdeeds , you must become a journalist having some ethics. You are P0ty eater of Fake Gandhis , paid journalists & just untrustworthy . Birds of a feather ( Aurangjeb , V!nod Be-Sharma , Rajdeep Sarah Desai , Burk! Dirt…..) flock together with you. NO ONE TRUSTS YOUR WORDS !

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  • Ashimaroyarora

    I have fully support to the Sunjay Dutt.I am saying that Sunjay has face the Punished for the 18 month now why does Supreme court punished him?
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    Let Bhagao Abhiyan Reply:

    Only duffers & Ignorant people can miss the point that AK 47 was sent by Dawood Ibrahim , who was responsible for the bomb blast .

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  • s r

    Will it be politically incorrect and outright communal of me to ask the question that personalities who get into trouble or are aggressive/forceful in their approach and sometimes times strong in a good way tend to have muslim roots in India ?

    I have noticed personalities who speak the mind,take on the establishment,a bit renegade, rebellious and sometimes outright anarchists are either born into muslim familes or born have mixed parents or are exposed to muslims environment. I am thinking of Sanjay dutt,Salman khan, Mahesh Bhatt and Asauddin/Akbaruddin Owaisi and of course the long list of villains of our country Dawood Ibrahim,all his underworld bhais like Haji Mastan,Karim Lala etc. Even Nazeeruddin india’s real actor was a angry man and you can see that rage in him. He later used it positively. Take Shah Rukh Khan and all the trouble he has gotten into last decade ranging from fights at parties to picking fights at stadiums. He is a good guy but there is some aggression inside him that I feel reflects his muslim side. Are muslims born aggressors or are taught that at their homes ?

    I am know its a huge generalization and we have our hindu bad guys such as raj thackerays,rajan nair, veerapan but as a percentage of a largely hindu popluation why are so many muslim root individuals always getting into trouble. I honestly want a very clinical study done. Aggression from islam and fight for injustice (Jihad) internal or external maybe a value in the genes of muslims leading to violence and troubling behaviour in society.

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  • Javed

    she is still addicted to taste of gandhi parivar’s a88

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  • Neil

    Sanjay Dutt needs to be pardoned by the President of India. 20 years of suffering is enough and he was already in jail. Possession of illegal arms can lead to a 1 year sentence, but no more. Think about this, how many people in the country possess illegal arms and have never been to jail and never will go to jail. The system in India cannot punish good human beings like Sanjay and make them suffer endlessly. Wake up india! Punish terrorists and the rapists. Let Sanjay live and breathe with his family, friends and fans. Bolo Bhagwanji ki Jai

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  • Kyrillossmith

    I think that Sanjay dutt is mistake for AK-47 Weapon to kept in our Home therefore Supreme court has hearing the Punishment for that Mistake .

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  • dimple mehrotra

    Nice article on Sunjay. I have little sympathy for him. One guy who claims he knew him has posted his side of the story in Vinod Sharma’s blog. It seems that Sunjay was so much into drugs in 1993 that he was fighting a filmi sort of war as his drug confused mind lead him to beleive.

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  • Anonymous

    Sunita,
    The religion or preachers can’t help here. The non-religious moral values are to be instilled in everyone from childhood.

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    Raja Reply:

    My parents instilled the great Hindu religious virtues in me. I did not convert and started bad mouthing other religions while ignoring the paedophilia in my own cult from Arabia!

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    srishti Reply:

    every religon preaches d same sir.
    ***** lyk u start a danga for no reason.
    no where did d poor women mention ur precious hinduism
    :-
    a hindu teenager wid more brains den a grown up lyk u

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  • Sall

    Ms.Sunita..This is a completely rubbish article I have ever read in my life. Neither does your article suggest a remedy nor does it address anything useful Instead it sheds light on an unheard superstition which has the danger of spreadin for all the wrong reasons and people trying to do it just for what has been exposed here…please stop publishing garbage like this!! If you have questions in mind…write it on a sheet of paper and discrad it rather than thinking out loud….

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  • SCS

    What i have heard is that some people think that having sex with young child will cure the STD.

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    Raja Reply:

    You made it up! Or, did a Church Padre whispered this in your ears on the altar when you were bent over for him?

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    iram Reply:

    god u full of shit

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  • Raja

    Ni try Sunita “Aaron”! Being a converted Christian filled with hatred towards Hindus, this pin headed idea struck you out of the blue, eh? How do you explain then paedophilia amongst Church clergy? This is rampant and wide spread and the worst thing is these Christian monsters are still not behind bars! It makes me think that Vhristianity sanctions abusing young children. Should you not worry about it first being a “good Christian”?

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    Indian at random Reply:

    Raja – I bet a lot of people have already told you this- You are an Idiot. Dont you know that christianity is a dominant religion in africa, the continent that she quotes. Also, is it not true that people do lot of things to please god, whichever religion he may belong to? Stop abusing your right of free speech.

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  • Hindu

    Sunitha – you either display amazing naivatte for a “journalist” or you are trying to cast aspersions on Hinduism. Have you ever heard of Child pornography? In USA, child molesters abound including Church fathers. If you really are objective and well informed, you would correlate the ease of availability of pornography with the rise in such horrendous crimes.The third grade soft pornographic Bollywood and various other “wood” movies are adding fuel to the fire. A true journalist would find out the real causes like these for the rise in crimes against women than your idiotic assumption. The UPA and the woolly headed feminists and progressives talked of everything in the aftermath of Delhi rape excpet meting out strongest punishment to the perpetrators and regulating availability of pornographic material, strict censorship of movies, media. And you are one of the thousands of retards that infest the pathetic Indian media. Books like Freaknomics, The Tipping Point, et al should be made mandatory reading to every one in India!

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  • Sarangadhara Sinha

    There is an amount of desperation and shock and seeking a
    way out in this article. I followed some of the comments and they also show
    similar kind of expressions. All of us – Sunita and the kind and good people
    commented on this article are severely concerned about the happenings and
    looking for remedies.

    Are the solutions lying in pushing the buck – blaming police,
    movies, pornography circulated in our society etc or look at constructive measures?

    What I liked in this article is the appeal for research on
    this growing trend and find the actual reasons behind such behavior. We have
    seen shocking statistics of increasing child molestations and rapes in past 10
    years. This only indicates that we – a vast country that supply great brains to
    the world have nothing called social psychology in this country – either our intellectuals
    are not interested because they will not get name, fame and dollars or they are
    being stopped by some groups whose interests may get hit if social
    psychologists bring out the actual reasons behind such heinous acts.

    There is no doubt that we need some immediate measures such
    as punishing the culprits and protecting our girls but there is also a huge
    need for analyzing the growing trends, identify the reasons and try making
    attempts to reduce such incidents drastically if not stopping the same.

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  • Indian at random

    Very interesting point. i think we need to look at the angle whether child rape is suggested to cure some ailment or please god.

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  • India

    This article is useless. What on earth are you trying to say anyway? I don’t think people who commit such crimes are even inclined towards religion or spirituality. Preachers btw can’t do anything here. The church clergy couldn’t.

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  • http://twitter.com/Farrukhabadi Praveen Saxena

    Even I recall having read in earlier times ..that some men , suffering from STD ..( AIDS was unheard of in those days), out of illiteracy and superstition which was more prevalent in those times , believed that STD could be cured if they had sex with virgin girls.. .
    Of course the horrendous cases which we are hearing and reading about these days appear more to be acts of perverts and do not fall in that category.

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  • Divya

    I Totally agree with you Sunita since its a high time now, religious preachers or leaders should need to take an initiative and brainwash the dirty minds of the people or society for stopping all these kinds of crime against children and womens by the fear of Natural justice or act of God.

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  • k c

    what ever u hindus think but hinduism is a prejudicial religion

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  • Abhi

    When Bollywood says “Kapde utaro” (take off your clothes) and the Congress Minister says “Pab Bharo” , (let us drink, drink, and fill the pubs), what do you expect? The chicks are coming home to roost.

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  • Raja

    Nice try again Sunita AARON ! You erased all the adverse comments against your religion and dumped your stinking, low IQed brain reject onto the readers again! If at all there is any religious sanction mandating child abuse, it is with the Arabian cult you are converted to. If you study the various cases of innumerable sexual transgressions committed by the Church padres all over the globe, there appears to be a pattern and regularity to this. Besides, these church sex predators are just let off with a pat on their wrists and are not doing any time behind rhe bars for these heinous crimes. When the victims demand money and cases are reported widely in the press, your Pope starts his global tour with money bags and ready apologies. These sexual predators are then transferred to thirs world countries like India and in south america for them to continue their religious duties of abusing young children. Unfortunately, as you say, this is catching on in India with other religions too. Kudos to you though for bringing this out through your “thoughtful” blog! Hope, the Italian Christian led current dispensation will take suitable action against the CHurches in India and also urge the west to do the same!

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    augustine Reply:

    Raja i understand your anger, there are places when the church has faulted but that does not mean Christianity is a bad religion There are no myths and offerings. The maximum offerings we do to appease Our LORD is pray and max light candles. so next time you go out all guns to humiliate somebody else’s faith please do take a look into what your religion The only thing GOD has asked us to do is love. Love everyone who even persecute you, So i have no hatred against you. But i feel sorry for you brother for all the hatred u have in your heart, For once try forgiving and love

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    Prashanth Budihal Reply:

    Take every opportunity to show contempt towards a particular political party/religion whom you personally dont like. If you dont have something constructive to add to this discussion then go away. Shame on you.

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  • ej

    myth or not. anybody found guilty of this crime, castrate him and then hang him

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  • Upen

    There’s no myth behind this inhuman & insane behavior. Its simply the fact that small kids are too weak to protect themselves and hence they become easy targets for the attackers. Strong laws & agonizingly painful punishments are the sole resort to deter such acts of heinous crime.

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  • http://twitter.com/kapilmalik2001 Kapil Malik

    So many ppl dies every day, What is wrong and inhumane if we have a strict rule of hanging the culprit of rape. Decision should be taken in week time, rape with minor or sex with minor which ever accused call it. MINOR case death penalty. At least by this way we can save the child.

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  • Monis Kamal

    It is sad to know about such crimes being committed everyday. Taliban style of justice will be the best alternative to end such acts.

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  • http://twitter.com/prashanthb Prashanth Budihal

    This is currently happening in Mumbai brothels.7/8 year old girls are raped because they believe they can cure themselves of AIDS. Even I suggest death penalty.

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  • SSB

    Natraj has all the skills to make it big but for that he needs to score heavily at the domestic level in order to get noticed by the selectors.

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  • Ipsit

    Surya Kant Jena, I too want Odisha to do well. But I want everybody else to do well too. The more the merrier.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Saudis are broadening their base of friends by signing various contracts with India and China; however, they cannot really break away from the USA,what with Israel a source of constant threat on the western side of the Kingdom.

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