Ten years ago…



Yashwant Sinha had called the day a defining moment in Indian history.

He probably had no idea how right he was going to be, eventually. Sinha, then Union minister for finance in the NDA government in 2002, was presenting the national budget — and, even as he spoke, unbelievable reports from Godhra were filtering in and the Gujarat riots were breaking out.

I was then the Chief of Bureau at the Hindustan Times’s Bombay bureau (we launched the edition only three years later in 2005). Our correspondent in Gujarat had just proceeded on leave and we could not track him down in a hurry. So we decided to dispatch correspondents from the Bombay bureau to Gujarat – they were in a position to reach Godhra and Ahmedabad sooner than most others from other parts of the country.

They left in the clothes they were wearing (and had to live in them for the rest of the month as by then riots had well and truly broken out and all shops shut down for weeks). I recall one of the two correspondents was worried about the dog he had locked up in his bachelor’s pad and we sent someone over to rescue the animal, asking him to rest at ease since he would be back in a couple of days.

How wrong we were – it took him days and days and when he returned, I could see he was in trauma. His dog, by then, was the least of his worries.

VB was among the first correspondents from outside Gujarat to have reached Baroda en route to Godhra. And, in the manner of all good reporters, had decided to visit the main mosque in that city for the Friday afternoon prayers before going onward to the city where the train had been burned down.

I thought he might have gone missing when I could not track him down for hours that day – and when he called that evening, both he and I were blown out of our minds.

“I do not know what happened to me,’’ he said. “My brains have only just begun to work again.’’

He had been sipping tea outside the mosque as the namaaz finished and was waiting for the worshippers to pour out. He made nothing of the heavily armed police bundobast outside the mosque believing it to be normal deployment in such troubled times. Then, even as the first namaazi stepped out and he stepped forward to speak to the man, he found a bullet whizzing past him and a fraction of a second later the namaazi was lying dead on the street outside the mosque.

VB thought that might have been an accident but then he found bullets whizzing in just one direction – from the cops towards the mosque and the street was littered with bodies within seconds. He was sharp enough to realise what was happening but stupid enough not to know that he must not give his identity away. So he whipped out his notebook to write down what he was witnessing.

That was enough provocation for those who looked like Vishwa Hindu Parishad workers, hanging around with the cops. These guys, as VB told me, were armed with all sorts of non-firearms like swords, choppers, butcher knives, et al. They lunged for VB even as he ran for his life.

“I did not know where I was going with those pack of wolves gaining upon me. When I came to, I found myself in a near-by hospital, hiding under the bed of a patient in one of the wards.’’

Apparently, even as he was running for his life, his mind switched off and his responses were automatic. “Those armed men followed me into hospital but probably did not have courage to enter the wards. I could hear the ruckus they were making. Then, after sometime, the noises died down and all went quiet. I could make out just that much even as I was shaking with fear and did not quite know where I was.’’

It took an hour or more for the numbness of both mind and body to disappear and, even as he crawled out from under the bed, he knew he had had a lucky escape while something very horrible had happened in town. He found his way back to his hotel and called me. “The town will soon be under curfew. Even otherwise, I think all the cyber cafes would be shut. Can you take down my report?’’

Traumatised as he was, his report was brilliant — and chilling. I had no reason to disbelieve his eyewitness account because only a decade earlier during the 1992-93 Bombay riots, in the aftermath of the demolition of the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya, I had seen, with my own eyes, a city corporator, a woman, in a pitched battle with other rioters, shot down in cold blood by the police on duty. VB’s story brought a sense of déjà vu and my fingers moved slowly on the notepad as I found my blood curdling for the second time in ten years.

Our troubles began when I sent the story across to my New Delhi office. That the then Resident Editor disbelieved the account was bad enough but that the then State’s Coordinator asked us to provide some proof – like the names, ages, professions and localities of those shot down in cold blood and, incredibly, the names of the cops doing the shooting – by now unfroze my blood and had it boiling at 100C, with me hopping mad, screaming like a banshee and making as much noise as a skeleton on a hot tin roof.

I had cut my milk teeth in journalism on riots and massacres and was simply incredulous that others could believe that a reporter in the field was making up such an enormous story (though it was understandable, for it beggared belief then that cops could be deliberately targeting Muslims in the way they obviously did in Gujarat). As we argued all evening, even past the deadline, and VB began to receive calls from the coordinator, his traumatised mind could take it no longer – he ran out into the curfew to escape the calls (he did not have a reachable cell phone at the time) and stayed away from his hotel all night.

I stayed in my office, locking myself in, all alone, through the dark night, worried and desperately calling his hotel every half hour or so, until he crept back in at 5am. “How dare you risk this!’’ I screamed at him in relief when he returned my calls. “It is bad enough that you almost got killed yesterday but how could you deliberately invite trouble in a town under curfew? I almost died thinking about how I would face your parents had anything happened to you and I could never have forgiven myself for sending you out into that danger!’’

But he was calmer and beginning to accept the reality of the situation. “I just couldn’t take the questions any more,’’ he said. “Don’t worry, God is with me or I would have been killed by those goons yesterday itself. But last night I simply could not take those questions and queries for clarifications any more.’’

Needless to say, the paper missed carrying the story in the Saturday morning editions but I did not leave office for home until much later that afternoon – for it was now my turn to badger and convince the Sunday editor to, at the least, carry the story in some form in his edition, even if it was buried inside and toned down in drama and content.

I had better luck with him and even though he was a little cynical about the events being reported, it made the papers on Sunday. National television anchors hit Gujarat that morning and began reporting exactly the same stories from all over the state. The areas were different but the actors were the same – cops and VHP workers as perpetrators of killings and rapes, Muslims all over as helpless victims.

As the riots seemed to go on endlessly I asked the reporter why the army, which had been called out by then after enormous delay, was not able to control the violence. “In my experience, they are usually able to bring things under control within a couple of days. What’s going on here?’’

“The Gujarat police is playing fast and loose with them,’’ said VB. “They do not know the topography and the cops who do deliberately direct them into the wrong lanes and blind alleys. They take too long to find the locations and by then much of the violence and killings are over and done with.’’

“Write that story,’’ I told him. But I knew I had another battle on hand, convincing the disbelievers that he was right again.

But soon, a very senior and respected colleague from Delhi, Vinod Sharma, landed in Ahmedabad even as our regular correspondent cut short his vacation and hot-footed it back to Gujarat. No one could now disbelieve anyone. Vinod’s reports corroborated what the Bombay bureau had been reporting out of Gujarat for days. He took them under his wing and I could sit back and relax.

And, by then, the television channels were already recording these defining moments in Indian history.

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  • Anonymous

    Now that Sujata’s Party has lost BMC election and her favorite Kripa Shankar Singh disgraced, she has chosen to write about Gujarat and indirectly bash BJP.

    Should we be surprised?

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  • Abu Ahmed

    My sympathies are with you and your reporter of 10 years ago in Gujarat – I begin to understand your pain that you feel upon watching the perpetrators of those inhuman crimes in Gujarat continuing to remain above law till now and probably for a long time to come, if at all they are ever booked for the same. Krishna had said in Gita that he would come into the world whenever attrocities go beyond limits. Now its time for him to visit Gujarat and take care of its victims and the culprits. Otherwise, as Gujarat is so near to Pakistan as well as Iran, some nuclear bombs may simply fall on it accidentally of course, by a modern-day Ghori or Ghazni. Before such a thing happens, the culprits should better be booked and justice done to the victims.

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  • Anonymous

    OMG this dynasty slave is still around..

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  • Anonymous

    Guest,
    Do you even have a name forget any common sense?

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  • AshishC

    The answer is evident, is it not?
    Very soon, all HT staffers will start blogging about Pakistan or even Timbuctoo.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Janak-Makavana/100003635221339 Janak Makavana

    When article is published for remembering decade old riots, we should see articles being published for other riot cases (84 Sikhs massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots ) and ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri pundits http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/kpsgill/2003/chapter9.htm . Lets keep journalism unbiased.

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  • vinay pandey

    S.P won congress lost and to say that Akhilesh won Rahul lost is rubbish and foolish at best. The lack of organizational base what did in congress and voters knew that congress is in no position to form government hence went for S.P.
    Lok shabha election 2014 is where we will see the impact of all the hard work done by Rahul.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rahul Gandhi will not be able to repeat 2009 UP Lok Sabha results. Akhilesh Yadav will see to that. SP will encroach Congress seats by widening its support base and Mayawati/BSP too will be back in reckoning. The RSS will work silently to enhance BJP’s performance but BJP may still not improve much. Congress is certainly in for hard times and will deteriorate further. Rahul Gandhi will be shy of exposing himself further in UP in case it backfires again.

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    Saron Reply:

    Man proposes , God disposes– In SP’s case we can say Akhilesh proposes his cadre disposes– so lets watch

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right, SP’s cadre may mar its performance. Hopefully Mulayam, Akhilesh and co. will rein them in.

    Saron Reply:

    Do your think the organisational network would improve in two years time

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  • anil

    If Akilesh can build up the impression that he is serious about tackling corruption, maintaining law and order and confronting religious/caste divides created by Congress he will make a good PM candidate in days to come.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    At this point of time, even a non SP person like me is rather optimistic about Akhilesh Yadav. He has certainly made a good first impression. I hope his arrival will help to throw over rated guys like Rahul Gandhi into history’s dustbin.

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    Saron Reply:

    Yes, there is optimism and expectations

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    Saron Reply:

    He has to prove himself as CM first

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  • http://www.desibits.com/ Avinash

    SP was/is never the choice of UP voters, rather they did not have any other option. What a common voter think about a common politician of today, sorry I will not be able to write because of decency and if at all I dare to write, HT will not publish saying I am writing vulgar language. People had only choice. There two “……..” in the fray contesting elections and we have to choose who is little less “…….” knowing well both are not competent to run the show.

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    Saron Reply:

    People had expectations

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  • Kumars1

    Sunita, I hope young Akhilesh reads your article. It has commen sense and goodwill for him. For the sake of his state and even India as a whole, I hope he succeeds. But I fear he may not succeed against old time wayward ‘uncles’ i.e. comrades of his dad. Sunita, ask your newspaper to stop being a Congi rag and be balanced and you will find fair minded people appreciating it.

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    Saron Reply:

    Thanks — I think new leaders should be given a chance

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  • Saron

    Agreed

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  • Saron

    Thanks— He has good intentions , sounds positive

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  • Saron

    you are forgetting the carnage

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  • Parmanu

    “Nothing in my experience of the country has made me euphoric. In fact, it’s the opposite. It’s just been growing cynicism by the day.”

    You’ve been focussing on the negative things, perhaps? How about looking at the arts, for instance? If you were working for a magazine like Sruti (http://www.sruti.com/), would your view have been different, I wonder.

    A fascinating thought experiment, though. I enjoyed it.

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  • Sumit Bose

    Mr Vir Sanghvi, there is absolutely no reason for this, not only, rabidly corrupt , but also stupidly inept government to be concerned about “criticism” from within the country; the “journalists” as you and your tribe of pseudo-secularists have long been “dalals” of the Corrupt Party. This is not a recent phenomenon, but there are just a few journalists who did not drink from the Corrupt Party’s poisoned chalice, and they are Firoze Gandhi, Ramnath Goenka and C.R Irani, the rest of your tribe just were worms feeding on the waste of the Corrupt Party.
    Sadly, the power-brokers in the Corrupt party had not “budgeted” for the International media and since the corruption levels have breached stratospheric levels, it has caught the attention of many all around the world.
    A small example, Britain just hosted the Olympics and did a fantastic job within US$ 40 billion, our CWG which requires less than 1/6th the resources in comparison to the Olympics, bled our exchequer slightly over US$120 billion.
    But in the scale of CAG exposures, the CWG’s loot is loose change to the real grand sceme of looting of the treasury.
    Is it then any surprise that our beloved Italian ex-maid has been named as the 4th wealthiest politician in the world? Dalals as you and your illustrious tribe will be silent, but would all else not react to the sudden windfall riches of one particular family?

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  • Fair Game

    Mr Sanghvi, the reason why indians believe in the western press and their journalists is that they are impartial and do not have an axe to grind, compared to your mob. The indian press is not fair. Of all the journalists, should you not know better as you have been there – ie being biased and partial.

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  • Bijal Shah

    Hi Vir, There is undying of the fact that a comment from west is considered much more worthy than one from within. Not only a comment on politics but on many other aspects like economy, social aspect and entertainment amongst others. Most of the Indians and Indian corporations like to flaunt praise from west, collaboration with western companies, invitation to an overseas event. Most of Indians have deep craving to know what foreigners think of India. This also evident from the fact that any interaction with foreigners either on TV or elsewhere include a question that what he thinks of India or a specific aspect of India. Every first time visitor to India is asked did he like India (though there is little be like about). This questions are more rhetoric in nature – asking foreigner to praise at least something about India. Probably we Indians deep down in our hearts still think whites are superior.

    However, reading you blog I felt that as an Indian journalist you feel jealous about foreign press getting more attention than Indian. I agree that with you that PMO has paid needless heed to Washington Post’s article. But journalist like you should first criticize Indian media for making it a headline. All big stories on India in the western media (Modi on Time, Underachiever title by Time, Washington post article, etc. etc.) have become headline in Indian media (print or television). Does it indicated that our journalist fraternity also has high respect for foreign media and their views? I think you should first criticize your profession before talking about political class. Especially, as media is expected to be at the forefront of change and its thinking & writing should not be embroiled by colonial era.

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  • damnright

    Sorry, Stop using “we”. Indians cannot take criticisms, and cannot support freedom of speech and talking the truth if it is not favorable to us. So stop complaining and fix this country full of bugs and thugs!

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  • Guest

    Even journalists defer to a fair skin. Just a few days back, there was a TV show, two very senior Indian journalists, one of whom had earlier held the second most important job in the country, two goras, one the author of the piece discussed in this column, both middle order stringers, and the Indians, were truly deferential and on best behaviour, far less combative than if they had been interacting with two relatively junior Indian colleagues with a nice suntan.

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  • Manish

    Sir,
    The way the title was put, I thought I could find an answer, but you have actually given a history, without answers. If you are really thinking the answers lie within ourselves, then this article was actually meaningless.

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  • dr.joji cherian

    Almost all the main line American media are tools of Neo Cons. They churn out reports and articles in the garb of “news”..At times blatent lies as in the case of their “discovery” of WMDs in Iraq forcing that hapless nation called America into a war.You only need to attach that much credibility to these American “news” outfits.the latest article is another attempt to malign browbeat the prime minister who is trying to take an independent stand such as attending the NAM meeting in Iran.Learn to dismiss the motivated reports and articles with the contempt they deserve

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  • Anonymous

    Vir Sanghvi knows who and what Pankaj Pachauri is and why he was selected to become the Press Adviser to the PM. I shall not go into that. But I do not understand why a person of Pachauri’s capabilities (and there must have been many for his to be selected) and his background in journalism, does not read the writing on the walls and hear the voices in the streets with a common refrain – India is disappointed with Dr. Manmohan Singh’s second tenure as PM.

    It would have behoved Pankaj Pachauri’s intellect, had he advised (now, isn’t that his job) the PM that reacting to the WP article would only highlight the PM’s failures and gradual but precipitate drop from a person of high personal integrity to someone who does not care or cannot take care that India does not hurtle down the path of economic and moral decline.

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  • Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani

    An Advice to Dr. Manmohan Singh
    ***************************
    Your innocent look, your unblemished past,
    Invokes my pity, Dear Dr. Manmohan Singh;!
    When I see the dust gathering around you,
    That blurs your glory as an honest king.
    At the head of this corrupt and dishonest gang,
    Do you think, you are safe from their dirt;?
    When I find you on the defensive plank,
    I always feel anguished, I always feel hurt.
    I have a deep regard and respect for you,
    To save your image, leave these vices’ heaps;
    The history will judge you by a single norm,
    ‘A man is known by the company, he keeps.’
    Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani,LL.D.

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  • Critical Appraisal

    Despite and inspite of western criticism, ‘we’ still go outdoors for our bare necessities and use water for washing up! This only means we don’t give a shit to their thoughts – while the PMO which remains indoors for emptying its bowels and use may be tissue paper for the cleaning act, do give a shit to it. Therein lies a lesson – going outdoors & using water to wash away or remaining indoors and using the toilet paper to dry out!

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  • balaji

    in pakistan there are nearly unregistered 10 lakh fully trained militants and 50 lakh untrained militants which are brainwashed to fight and die against india and their master minds continuously working out for various differet perfect plans to assolt india……

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  • balaji

    imp note : indian army, government authorities, people should count this informaion :–
    in pakistan there are nearly unregistered 10 lakh fully trained militants and 50 lakh untrained militants which are brainwashed to fight and die against india and their master minds continuously working out for various differet perfect plans to assolt india……

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  • engrich

    summit you are converting killer modi into god.but this is your old history.

    in our literature God is described as the
    embodiment of love. But you find dreadful weapons in the hands of gods.
    Are gods murderers? Is there a single god that has not killed anyone?
    The Puranas are replete with umpteen instances to prove that
    gods killed so many. Are your gods butchers? How are we to be convinced
    of the statement that gods are kind?it is only brhmncl gods who are loaded with deadly weapons.

    With all these baseless, senseless and idiotic thoughts , u have
    succeeded in making our society static, reactionary and dumb. People
    have lost their sense of thinking

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Engrich mian, did you even bother to read what i opined on this Muslim’s recurring one sided spin on the Israeli occupation of Palestine? I made no mention of NM or any Hindu Gods.
    It was just a stark contrast with the Bengalis, Punjabis and Sindhis who were dispossessed, just as the Arabs from the current Palestinian lands, at around the same time, and just look at what, with a constructive mind-set, they have achieved as a community! They are all so productive inspite of having to escape in most tragic circumstances.

    i am very aware of you, Indian pseudo-arabs, memorizing your scriptures without even a farthing’s comprehension of Arabic, but to sleep walk as a somnambulist in English takes the cake and the bakery!
    Mian, get a life with some capacity to reflect independently and do not shame the institutions where you obtained your literacy from.

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    engrich Reply:

    i will awnser ur idiocy tommorow.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @ Engrich Mian, why tomorrow, is the brain shop is closed today?

    engrich Reply:

    i have someother fools like u.wait.keep grease and vaseline ready.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @Engrich Mian, Thanks for advertising your preference of the 23 pre-puberty boys over 72 virgins!.What would your preference be for the sexes of the 80,000 servants, please?

    ehgrich Reply:

    KRISHNA HAD 16003 WIFES,as per rajneesh 15003 were kidnapped and
    married.brhmns were helping the kidnapping and used to convince their
    husbands that if u will give their wives to bhagwan krishna ,u will go
    heaven or will suffer in neven 7 janms.
    apart from so many wives and
    concubines he used to fk his neighbours wife called radha.this immoral
    act is celeberated by u people.brhmn makes good money out of this.so i
    pray,

    Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a pro. Vashitha is the
    son of this pro. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded
    person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)

    ? When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he
    enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a
    need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)

    ? It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu
    and Shiva were themselves the victims of l**t, it is a sin to consider
    them as Gods. (page 39)

    ? When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are
    consumed by l**t and anger, how can they liberate others. Their
    projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).

    ? When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so.
    How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it
    possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be
    gods? (page 39)

    ? God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are
    worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit
    ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).

    so u know how fool u people are.young cpm cdres ********** on durga picture.tell me how she became goddess.from shanghai one kayasth brought her picture in 18th century and u idiots started worshipping her.what she can do to you.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @EngrichMIAN, you have totally lost the plot! This Zia Mian has put out a “poem” on the “sufferings” of the Palestinians. I responded to his being “blind” to Hindus who suffered as much or much more at around the same year and had to escape from Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The Kashmiri Hindus had to suffer the same fate in 1989, this Zia Mian has never bothered to write about their pain and angst, and as a bi-monthly feature brings up Palestine regularly.

    If the stark contrast to the determination and mind-set of the Hindus vis-a-vis that of the muslims, who have chosen to survive on hand-outs and abstain from education, reside on the fringes of their dispossessed land and live only to disrupt peace by becoming martyrs and jihadis, inflicting more misery and suffering on themselves.

    The Hindus ( Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis and now Kashmiris) have moved on and restarted life with education, humility and forbearance. This Muslim has never registered on his radar this stark contrast, but just remains in the “mataam” mode, blinded by the torpor of Islamic supremacy.
    As if, not to be outdone by this ZiaMian, you are on a rant on a totally unrelated topic. Mian, by shouting that the other person is ugly, does the hide the fact that you have no nose! (and brains, too)

    BSS Reply:

    LMAO! Grease sounds better for this fool. Vaseline would not be worth it!

    BSS Reply:

    Woops I guess he was at the madarsa with me! Poor fellow!

    BSS Reply:

    “sleep walk as a somnambulist” Only a bong could have done this! LMAO. Get an education dude!

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @BSS Mian, get an english dictionary and try to learn some new words/concepts for self-improvement, that would be much more constructive than being an “internet jihadi”… that is no different from the typical jihadi-nutcase; honours after a complete “madrassa brainscrub”..

    Dr.Raj Reply:

    Yes, they carry weapons to the brim, but you tend to forget that they also have two hands blessing the devotes. And those two hands are what make Hindus humble and followers of non violence, but it also tells that if we take to violence, we create history.
    And the less we discuss about your god the better, the whole world knows about it, and when some one points it out to you, you guys cannot take it, as they say “truth hurts”.

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    engrich Reply:

    that is why india had 1200 anti-muslim riots after partition.from jabalpur to ahmadabad shows ur humblenes.for 3000 years of vedic rule 98%of indians were allowed to go to school.can u name one university college hospital or library opened by u.budhhdist were not hindus.dont take their achievement in your account.

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    engrich Reply:

    vedic rule 98%of indians were allowed to go to

    please read,

    vedic rule 98%of indians were not allowed to go to

  • Faulitics

    This blind and irrational support for “Palestinian” Arabs. Another sign of arabization. Religious network has been used to inform the “believers” about which side to take in political fights over land even though it may have nothing to do with the believers geographical location , local culture or other relevant circumstances. A thoroughly politicized religion. Not sure where religious beliefs end and politics begins. It’s all a mishmash.

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  • Kaul

    How about plight of native Hindus in Kashmir and Islamic republic of Pakistan? Notice there have been no Hindu terrorists there despite their horrific plight and decimation. Only Muslim terrorists there as well.

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  • Raul

    New York Times is writing today that aid to refugees of Muslim on Muslim genocide in Syria is mostly provided by E.U. and USA. It specifically mentions Muslim nations – rich Persian Gulf- as not providing enough aid for fellow Muslim refugees.

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    vanchoo Reply:

    problem over there is created by france and rich arab countries supported by america and britain.the way they have destroyed syria,their aid is not even peanut.

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  • agnivesh

    ndia’s Narendra Modi and the Tale of Two Rapes

    By Shikha Dalmia Jan 17, 2013 7:42 AM PT

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-17/india-s-narendra-modi-and-the-tale-of-two-rapes.html

    One of the most obscene moments after the death of the gang-rape victim in New Delhi was a tweet by Narendra Modi, the chief minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, offering regret and condolences to the dead woman’s family.

    Modi,
    who has quelled restive minorities by allowing attackers to subject
    women to unspeakable horrors, has done more than any man to numb his
    prudish country to sexual violence. Yet he was elected to a third term
    last month and is the presumptive front-runner of the Bharatiya Janata Party, the main Hindu opposition party, for prime minister in next year’s national elections.

    So
    long as Indians keep rewarding politicos such as Modi, the country’s
    collective outrage after the New Delhi case won’t change the culture that makes such atrocities common in India.

    The attack on the 23-year-old physiotherapy student was depraved.
    Five men and a teenager in a private bus are accused of kidnapping,
    beating, raping and violating her with an iron rod — and then dumping
    her and her semi-conscious boyfriend on a highway, where they also
    allegedly tried to run her over. But as monstrous as this crime was,
    consider what happened in Gujarat in February 2002, a few months after
    Modi assumed office.

    Organized
    bands of well-armed Hindus — some from groups tied to Modi’s party —
    fanned across the state seeking revenge against Muslims for allegedly
    burning a train full of Hindu pilgrims a few weeks earlier. The Hindu
    rioters systematically sought out and destroyed Muslim homes and businesses, killing more than 1,000 people.

    Extreme Violence

    Muslim women were singled out. According to many Indian and foreign sources, including a Human Rights Watch account and a report by
    an international research team called “Threatened Existence: A Feminist
    Analysis of the Genocide in Gujarat,” women were stripped, gang-raped,
    often publicly, and in almost all cases then burned or hacked to death.

    The
    reason the violence reached such extremes was that the state police
    stood back and didn’t intervene to stop the Hindu attacks and even told
    victims that it couldn’t protect them. As if the bloodletting wasn’t
    horrific enough, Modi subsequently dismantled the shelters constructed by private organizations for dispossessed Muslims, calling them “child-breeding centers.”

    Compared
    with the New Delhi rape, which has triggered a protest movement in
    India calling for the castration and execution of the suspects, the
    Gujarat rapes and pogrom elicited barely a whimper. Many Hindus either
    deny that the horror even occurred or, if they accept it, claim it
    wasn’t as grisly as news accounts suggest. And if they believe the
    accounts, they say Muslims had it coming. Fewer than 100 out of the
    thousands accused — among them only one state minister and one Bharatiya Janata Party leader — were convicted,
    and that was a decade later. Modi himself was exonerated.

    Whatever
    public disgust there was against him has dissipated, given the stellar
    economic growth that Gujarat has seen on his watch. Business leaders and
    corporations, from India and overseas, turn a blind eye to Modi’s role
    in allowing the bloodshed, and praise his economic stewardship. His
    business backers have already managed to
    get the U.K. government to reverse its long-standing ban on him and to
    give him a visa. Now they are trying to persuade the U.S. government to
    follow suit.

    What accounts for the wide gulf in the Indian public response to the single crime in New Delhi and the mass crimes in Gujarat?

    On a positive side, attitudes toward women have evolved considerably
    since the Gujarat atrocity 11 years ago. Indian women’s aspirations and
    opportunities have increased, especially in big cities, and they are
    demanding that the governing classes keep pace and create an environment
    in which they are free to move around safely.

    Changed Attitudes

    After
    the New Delhi attack, any politician or even religious guru — no
    matter how revered — who suggested that women need to circumscribe
    their lives and choices for their own protection was condemned and
    lampooned, something scarcely imaginable when I was growing up in New
    Delhi (in a Hindu household) in the 1970s.

    But
    the darker reality is that the young woman’s rape and murder outraged
    the country’s Hindu urban middle class because it was a random and
    senseless act that could have just as easily victimized their daughters.
    Not so with attacks on the Muslim women in Gujarat. The premeditated
    and programmatic violence against them meant that the broader Hindu
    majority was insulated from it. If the New Delhi woman’s fate made every
    Indian feel more
    vulnerable, the attack on the Muslim women made Hindus feel more secure.

    There
    are other reasons for India’s apathy toward Modi’s misdeeds. India is a
    democracy and has its share of human-rights activists and watchdog
    groups keeping an eye on government brutality. Yet the public at large
    has little appreciation of the dangers associated with overly muscular
    government. Indians complain constantly about government dysfunction and
    corruption. Yet they have little compunction about giving draconian
    powers to their rulers in the name of security. The upshot, tragically,
    is that Indians care less about state-fueled rape than when perpetrated
    by individuals.

    The
    scale of the sexual violence in Gujarat was unprecedented in India. But
    smaller episodes are a matter of routine. The Indian army has been accused of using rape as
    a weapon to crush secessionist movements in Kashmir and Manipur. After
    one particularly heinous case eight years ago, Manipuri women stripped
    naked and stormed the army headquarters with placards plaintively
    protesting: “Indian Army Rapes Us.”

    Tolerating
    sexual violence for any purpose erodes the overall stigma against it,
    opening a moral space where hoodlums can run amok. The lack of national
    outrage against the mass rapes perpetrated under Modi reduces their true
    cruelty, breaking down the psychological walls that would at least
    prevent nonsociopaths from going on a rampage. Hindus who turn a blind
    eye to the rape of Muslim women can’t ultimately protect their own.

    How
    India can restore moral boundaries is a difficult issue, but it
    certainly won’t be solved by electing Modi to higher office — even if
    he were Adam Smith himself. Protesters shouldn’t just seek justice against the six accused in New Delhi. Modi, too, has much to atone.

    (Shikha
    Dalmia is a contributor to Bloomberg View and a Detroit-based senior
    analyst at Reason Foundation. The opinions expressed are her own.)

    To contact the writer of this article: Shikha Dalmia in Detroit at shikhadalmia62@gmail.com.


    Teesta Setalvad
    ‘Nirant’, Juhu Tara Road,
    Juhu, Mumbai – 400 049

    http://teestasetalvad.blogspot.com/http://www.cjponline.org/
    http://www.gujarat-riots.com/
    http://www.sabrang.com/

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  • BSS

    So you’ve now come here to display your rank ignorance! Nice!!

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @BSS, peddlers of darkness run scared of illumination! I dont know in which millennium you have arisen from, to presume that your “madrassa brainscrub” is the only education worth having!

    [Reply]

    BSS Reply:

    I KNOW that my madarsa brainscrub is the only education worth having. I am especially convinced after picking your lies apart in the other thread. You were fumbling without anything to answer back! Learn something at your RSS shakha. Don’t they teach you anything apart from bomb making? :P

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Bomb making and becoming martyrs as ‘human bombs: are all the hall-marks of the madrassa brainscrub.Your ’secular” education is a squandered resource, it would have enriched the life of one motivated to improve oneself or society, but with that resource wasted by you , it will only be put to the use of pseudo- arabs and anti-nationalists. Besides, I have never advocated anything in favour of the RSS, RSS are not the only people in the country firm about making our Bharat stronger and better.

  • agnivesh

    ndia’s Narendra Modi and the Tale of Two Rapes

    By Shikha Dalmia Jan 17, 2013 7:42 AM PT

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...

    One of the most obscene moments after the death of the gang-rape victim in
    New Delhi was a tweet by Narendra Modi, the chief minister of the Indian state
    of Gujarat, offering regret and condolences to the dead woman’s family.

    Modi,
    who has quelled restive minorities by allowing attackers to
    subject
    women to unspeakable horrors, has done more than any man to numb
    his
    prudish country to sexual violence. Yet he was elected to a third
    term
    last month and is the presumptive front-runner of the Bharatiya Janata
    Party, the main Hindu opposition party, for prime minister in next year’s
    national elections.

    So
    long as Indians keep rewarding politicos such as Modi, the
    country’s
    collective outrage after the New Delhi case won’t change the
    culture that makes such atrocities common in India.

    The attack on the 23-year-old physiotherapy student was depraved.
    Five men
    and a teenager in a private bus are accused of kidnapping,
    beating, raping
    and violating her with an iron rod — and then dumping
    her and her
    semi-conscious boyfriend on a highway, where they also
    allegedly tried to run
    her over. But as monstrous as this crime was,
    consider what happened in
    Gujarat in February 2002, a few months after
    Modi assumed office.

    Organized
    bands of well-armed Hindus — some from groups tied to Modi’s
    party –
    fanned across the state seeking revenge against Muslims for
    allegedly
    burning a train full of Hindu pilgrims a few weeks earlier. The
    Hindu
    rioters systematically sought out and destroyed Muslim homes and
    businesses, killing more than 1,000 people.

    Extreme Violence

    Muslim women were singled out. According to many Indian and foreign sources,
    including a Human Rights Watch account and a report by
    an international
    research team called “Threatened Existence: A Feminist
    Analysis of the
    Genocide in Gujarat,” women were stripped, gang-raped,
    often publicly, and in
    almost all cases then burned or hacked to death.

    The
    reason the violence reached such extremes was that the state
    police
    stood back and didn’t intervene to stop the Hindu attacks and even
    told
    victims that it couldn’t protect them. As if the bloodletting
    wasn’t
    horrific enough, Modi subsequently dismantled the shelters constructed
    by private organizations for dispossessed Muslims, calling them “child-breeding
    centers.”

    Compared
    with the New Delhi rape, which has triggered a protest movement
    in
    India calling for the castration and execution of the suspects,
    the
    Gujarat rapes and pogrom elicited barely a whimper. Many Hindus
    either
    deny that the horror even occurred or, if they accept it, claim
    it
    wasn’t as grisly as news accounts suggest. And if they believe
    the
    accounts, they say Muslims had it coming. Fewer than 100 out of
    the
    thousands accused — among them only one state minister and one Bharatiya
    Janata Party leader — were convicted,
    and that was a decade later. Modi
    himself was exonerated.

    Whatever
    public disgust there was against him has dissipated, given the
    stellar
    economic growth that Gujarat has seen on his watch. Business leaders
    and
    corporations, from India and overseas, turn a blind eye to Modi’s
    role
    in allowing the bloodshed, and praise his economic stewardship.
    His
    business backers have already managed to
    get the U.K. government to
    reverse its long-standing ban on him and to
    give him a visa. Now they are
    trying to persuade the U.S. government to
    follow suit.

    What accounts for the wide gulf in the Indian public response to the single
    crime in New Delhi and the mass crimes in Gujarat?

    On a positive side, attitudes toward women have evolved considerably
    since
    the Gujarat atrocity 11 years ago. Indian women’s aspirations
    and
    opportunities have increased, especially in big cities, and they
    are
    demanding that the governing classes keep pace and create an
    environment
    in which they are free to move around safely.

    Changed Attitudes

    After
    the New Delhi attack, any politician or even religious guru —
    no
    matter how revered — who suggested that women need to
    circumscribe
    their lives and choices for their own protection was condemned
    and
    lampooned, something scarcely imaginable when I was growing up in
    New
    Delhi (in a Hindu household) in the 1970s.

    But
    the darker reality is that the young woman’s rape and murder
    outraged
    the country’s Hindu urban middle class because it was a random
    and
    senseless act that could have just as easily victimized their
    daughters.
    Not so with attacks on the Muslim women in Gujarat. The
    premeditated
    and programmatic violence against them meant that the broader
    Hindu
    majority was insulated from it. If the New Delhi woman’s fate made
    every
    Indian feel more
    vulnerable, the attack on the Muslim women made
    Hindus feel more secure.

    There
    are other reasons for India’s apathy toward Modi’s misdeeds. India
    is a
    democracy and has its share of human-rights activists and
    watchdog
    groups keeping an eye on government brutality. Yet the public at
    large
    has little appreciation of the dangers associated with overly
    muscular
    government. Indians complain constantly about government dysfunction
    and
    corruption. Yet they have little compunction about giving
    draconian
    powers to their rulers in the name of security. The upshot,
    tragically,
    is that Indians care less about state-fueled rape than when
    perpetrated
    by individuals.

    The
    scale of the sexual violence in Gujarat was unprecedented in India.
    But
    smaller episodes are a matter of routine. The Indian army has been
    accused of using rape as
    a weapon to crush secessionist movements in Kashmir
    and Manipur. After
    one particularly heinous case eight years ago, Manipuri
    women stripped
    naked and stormed the army headquarters with placards
    plaintively
    protesting: “Indian Army Rapes Us.”

    Tolerating
    sexual violence for any purpose erodes the overall stigma
    against it,
    opening a moral space where hoodlums can run amok. The lack of
    national
    outrage against the mass rapes perpetrated under Modi reduces their
    true
    cruelty, breaking down the psychological walls that would at
    least
    prevent nonsociopaths from going on a rampage. Hindus who turn a
    blind
    eye to the rape of Muslim women can’t ultimately protect their own.

    How
    India can restore moral boundaries is a difficult issue, but
    it
    certainly won’t be solved by electing Modi to higher office — even
    if
    he were Adam Smith himself. Protesters shouldn’t just seek justice against
    the six accused in New Delhi. Modi, too, has much to atone.

    (Shikha
    Dalmia is a contributor to Bloomberg View and a Detroit-based
    senior
    analyst at Reason Foundation. The opinions expressed are her own.)

    To contact the writer of this article: Shikha Dalmia in Detroit at shikhadalmia62@gmail.com.


    Teesta Setalvad
    ‘Nirant’, Juhu Tara Road,
    Juhu, Mumbai – 400
    049

    http://teestasetalvad.blogspot...
    http://www.gujarat-riots.com/
    http://www.sabrang.com/

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Teesta, Your “selective outrage” is disgusting. For all your activism for justice, One never gets to hear anything done by you for the over 350 Hindus who dies in the same post-Godhra riots. We have no news of how many women were raped how many houses and businesses burnt. Hindus are not taking our pseudo-secularists on “tours” to exhibit their wounds as beggars. Hindus who had to escape from newly created Islamic republic of Pakistan, came quietly and went about with the serious business of rebuilding their lives, not living in the fringes of the newly created Islamic republic of Pakistan to become human bombs to attain martyrdom and get “married” to 72 virgins.

    As there has been no Arab or English-media sponsorship of Hindu “suffering” during the post-Godhra riots, there has been a total ‘black-out” of the rape and deaths of Hindus. Not one main-stream news source published any report or article that brought to the public domain the killings, rapes and vandalism on Hindus. you have proved your blatant partisanship by not bring to justice a single killer of the many Hindus who died or was raped then

    There have been thousands of violent incidents in post-partition India and almost all are “erupt” as people come out of Friday congregations. We “coward” Hindus have learnt to take the brunt of these vandals, till the police “receive” orders to restore law and order and this always suspiciously, coincides when Hindus have banded together to defend and retaliate.

    If NM has backers in USA , why does that get your “goat”? Al-Qaida, Osama Bin Laden, Hafeez Said, Owaisis, all have their backers for their agendas. NM’s agenda is development and ones geared to that will back him for his track record, period.

    While rapes in Manipur seem to be genuine and does need to be addressed, rapes in Kashmir are total fabrications, inquiries after inquires have not been able to match the fantastic claims of the islamic jihadis. I recall with bemused wonder, a telecast of one grieving father of a “stone-thrower” , killed by police bullets, saying that his son was not doing anything, he had only gone to get some milk! This is wonderful as Mohammad Atta’s father ( the main leader of the 9/11 gang) screaming vociferously on CNN a day after, that his son was alive and he had spoken to his son just 4 hours ago, swearing obscenities on USA. This is in no way any effort to “trivialize” the personal grief each of these fathers had to contend with, but to invert the personal grief into a political move is reprehensible and must not be tolerated or encouraged, and that is precisely what you have been at for years!

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    engrich Reply:

    u are bloody liar.all ur argument are bullshit bunch of lies and untruth.dont require any awnser.

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    vanchoo Reply:

    u are bose means kayasth.kayasths are illegimate sons of brhmn.ur mothers were raped brhns.u have slave blood write non sense for money.

    ur forefathers were boot polishers and a$$ lickers of british empire.

    u and ur bitish masters converted sonar bangla to bhootbanla.still u are showing ur ******* to them for few dollars.

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  • Anonymous

    This Zia guy has all the attributes of to-be-terrorist. No wonder he was refused entry in US.

    Shame on HT for employing a Jihadi as journalist.

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  • engrich

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2013/01/why-the-palestinian-diaspora/

    good article by allen hart.read and take knowledge.u bengalee are myopic self centred highly rascist community.

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  • peace

    Such a nice piece of literature. Beautiful poem. Surprised to see the comments section, no wonder how intolerant indians are!! Hindu or muslim killing innocent civilians is an inhumane act!

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    few of them like idiot bose is paid.otherwise indians are tolerant.but there are hindu zoinist like christian zoinists.they are brhmnst.they are expert in lying moulding the facts.they follow their old scripture which is as follows,

    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening:
    Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only.
    Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour.
    Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.

    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and
    degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the
    sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).

    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas
    Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be
    made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).

    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:

    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).

    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony
    will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to
    live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).

    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or
    touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife
    that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month
    (Chap.3.S.250).

    There are seven varieties of sudras:

    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who
    serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who
    is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional
    worker. (Chap.8.S.415).

    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for
    salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he
    calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).

    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they
    neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras
    (Chap.10.S.43).

    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there
    is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes
    should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they
    should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these.
    (Chap.8.S.125)

    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the
    Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced.
    (Chap.10.S.235).

    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without
    paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins.
    (Chap.8.S.413).

    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities
    without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).

    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is
    to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be
    plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).

    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).

    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn
    anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so,
    he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).

    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).

    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste
    or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and
    thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).

    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled
    oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra.
    (Chap.8.S.272).

    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).

    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should
    be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281).

    like european zoinist they most blood thirsty peopl of world..through hate they make money and pauperize indians.we are 137 in living standards.while singapore is 6th.it is because of them 70%on indians eat once in 2 days.

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  • peace

    I love brother Zia’s columns. It seems he has in-depth knowledge of Islam. I feel sorry for all those ignorants who judge this peaceful religion through the eyes of media. These ignorants see talibans as representatives of islam. My request kindly read about the practices and teachings of last prophet(pbuh) or atleast have a look at his last sermon. Its a masterpiece.

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  • peace

    Also, Talibans are just a bunch of people who have no knowledge of islam either!!

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    the hindu fascist are 10 times more voilent than talibans.talibans are fighting against americans.they are robbing and killing their own people and country.

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  • peace

    “….O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and comitted helpers….
    Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer for your
    deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness
    after I am gone…
    Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that
    you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon
    your deeds…
    O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR’AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me direcly. BE MY WITNESS O ALLAH THAT I HAVE CONVEYED YOUR MESSAGE TO YOUR PEOPLE.”
    -Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @peace thanks for your copy/paste. Did you know that there are 624 su-ras that specifically command the faithful to inflict violence on kuffurs. There are certainly a few su-ras and H@dhiths that do advocate tolerance, but rounding up on just a ***-bit of a fragment and ignoring a whole mountains of exhortations of doing exactly the opposite, is stupidity of the highest order.

    If i went on to copy/paste those, this page would run into voloumes; but please go to Ali Sina’s website faithfreedom dot org and get a full read of it all. He has authoritatively and without any spin/deception translated from the Arabic and Bukhari’s collection. M.A. Khan has translated from the authentic chronicles of each of those scoundrels who almost vaporized India, right from Mohmad of Ghori , through to the Slave Dynasty butchers , Babur ( he kept his won records:Baburnamah), right down to Tipu Sultan, how these bands of brigands/rulers brutalized and terroized Indians as an article of faith

    Disowning this and that sect is no defense from a terribly brutal terror-manual. Your faith is known by its actions and actions are far more eloquent than words can ever be. besides you are in a state of total amnesia as you do not even know that all these “jihadis” are actively following the example of just one historical man!

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    engrich Reply:

    right from Mohmad of Ghori , through to the Slave Dynasty butchers ,
    Babur ( he kept his won records:Baburnamah), right down to Tipu Sultan,
    how these bands of brigands/rulers brutalized and terroized Indians as
    an article of faith

    HINDU IS ONLY RELIGION WHERE MAN IS BORN UNEQUAL.

    GHORI GHAZNI AND BABUR BROUGHT THE LIGHT OF JUSTICE AND EQUALITY IN INDIA.

    YOU VEDICS NEVER ALLOWED ANY MOOLNIVASI TO GO TO SCHOOL.U NEVER OPENED ANY SCHOOL LIBRARY HOSPITAL

    UNIVERSITY.

    U VEDICS KEPTINDIA jahil FOR 3000 YEARS AND FOOLED AND ROBBED THEM BY SELLING 33 CRORES DEVTAS TO THEM.

    U ARE FASCIST APARTHEID BY NATURE AND ACTION.lie is your staple food while hate is a duty.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @EngrichMian, you keep tom-tomminmg this same drivel as a parrot for long. “lower classes were denied education”. Wrong! Education was common and widespread in ancient India, the Buddhists were Indians and they followed the Hindu traditions and continued Hindu methods of education. They were not pseudo-arabs or pseudo-romans.

    If education was denied to 99% of the population in ancient India, how can you explain a bandit/hunter named Ratnakar from the woods become the sage Valmiki and write out the Ramayan in chaste Sanskrit?

    This is just one example.Kalidas was another, and tehre a re so many many more; but are you ever going to absorb, no, you just need to assuage your inferiority complex of being born in a terribly brutal and debased belief system; as I mentioned earlier truth is something you have no stomach for, that is the defining characteristic of an Islamic-nuthead!

    engrich Reply:

    budhdhism is nemesis of hinduism.

    give me name of one library or school built by vedics which was open to all indians.

    peace Reply:

    My non muslim Brother there are only 114 surahs. This shows your lack of knowledge.
    May almighty God guide u to straight path. As of now u r groping in dark.

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    peace Reply:

    Brother Bose, what do u say about mass hysteria during durga puja (idol worshipping… making idols from hands given to u by allah the almighty ) and dancing to the loud tunes of drum beats. And finally trashing the idols in river. What a waste of time, energy, natural and human resources!! I haven’t touched the topic of pollution yet.

    Anyway, I m still passing a smile to you for i’ll get reward for it.
    It is our Historical messenger’s sunnah(practice) to just pass a smile to someone as sadaqah(charity).

    Brother save your skin for the day of judgement. Allah likes those who are of good conduct. And the historical messenger has taught
    ‘the best among you are the ones who are of good morals’ and ‘the best among you are the ones who are good their families’…

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @peace, i just do not revel in the “shifting goalposts” that you Islamic-nutheads always resort to. This blog page is supposedly on the plight of dispossessed people and being a Mian, our ZiaMian is blinkered only to do “maatam” for the Arabs. But you are in Indian convert, it is a pity having resided in the Indian body,all your life, you have been so very successful in insulating your intellect and whatever you see, hear or do is strictly blinkered by the Islamic skull-cap that rests on your brains, not skull. you have not viewed dispassionately why the Hindus get into a celebratory frenzy each year.

    According to tradition, Goddess Durga was married to Lord Shiva, who resided in the celestial abode, she returns to earth ( her parental home during those 10 days each year, also linked with Lord Ram’s prayers to Ma Durga, at the outset of the battle with Ravan’s army)

    It also coincides with the time after the kharif harvest, all rural families have a fresh infusion of funds and this occasion is used to celebrate joy and life. Talents of different sections of society are pooled together to make images of Ma Durga. The prevailing mood is one of celebration, joy and exchange; a brief interlude before all get back to the grind of working for the next growing season.

    Once the celebratory days are past, the idol is symbolically and with honour sent back to the celestial abode of her husband, Lord Shiva, by the act of immersing in water. This seems more aesthetic than burning or smashing the idol created.

    I do understand how difficult is is for you to comprehend that the hands should be used to make and dress up idols, play music and beat drums etc, but you have to understand that the arms and hands are not to be used only for caravan-raiding, piercing hot metal in captive’s eyes, chopping fingers or necks of prisoners, slitting the neck of a mother breast-feeding her infant etc etc.

    Celebrations are in order not only to mark a new marriage or for slave-capturing. To you these latter examples are just what are meant to be done with your arms and hands.

    I am passing no judgement on the elevated state of consciousness you dwell in, You have never even wondered what tragedy made some ancestor of yours to kiss the feet of marauding invaders and become a pseudo-arab. You probably delude yourself in believing you are an appendage of the Quraish tribe or Persian or Turko-Asian ancestry.

    Many thanks for cautioning me of the day of judgement and about Allah. If you are referring to the same Allah that “spoke” to your “most exalted human ever” that the earth is laid out as a carpet and the mountains are placed to hold (the earth ) firm, or that the sun settles each evening under the throne of that Almighty, only to begin its journey on command from Allah…. (i can go on and on and on)…. then, i have to dismiss your “threats” as patently hollow and mischievous.

    Any entity/person that demands respect on basis of ignorance and threats is no different from a street-side gangster or hoodlum.

    peace Reply:

    Bong brother, these are no threats! just mere warnings and conveying the message. Anyway, your punishment will start from this world, one day angels of death will appear before you and your own relatives will set you on fire i mean on pyre!!
    May allah guide you.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @peace, devoid of substance and logic, you are doing exactly what all other Islamic-nutheads do, prompted by your “most exalted human ever”…to curse! While fountain-heads of other religions as Chr1st or Buddh@ or Swami Vivekananda blessed all people..believers or non-believers; your fountain-head is on record to curse dogs, pigs, even entire tribes of humans. Following in his wake, you have resorted to “cursing” ; why, because you cannot marshal any ‘lies” or honest facts to second your debased ideology of ignorance wrapped in terror.
    Death is certain, not only for all living creatures, even for planets, universes and constellations. In our world view, death is release from the misery of this life and in this birth, the “holocaust” on Hindus by a very brutal band of ignorant supremacists and their remnants, as yourself and your ilk has been a very painful realization.

    Please clean up the mirror of your perception and please desist from “cursing” there is a saying in the Bengali language: The cow does not die on curses from the vultures”.

  • Aaloke

    Dear Sumit Bose,

    Very good and articulate comments and replies. But who are you engaging? These creatures are Islamic zombies. They have no independent brain . You will never be able to make them see light even after so much articulation. However I request you to continue writing as it is read by many other people who have brains to understand.

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  • rich

    Quran is a divine book. The whole world knows that everything in there is 100% scientifically evident.

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    J P Kalra Reply:

    @rich, get lost, you are fit to be only in Zakir Naik’s spin zone.

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  • Faulitics

    “Islam” writer is being too quiet. Has he become lazy? So many things to write like the wonderful life of Owaisi brothers but I am getting the feeling that the next article be a rant on Modi regarding his Delhi move. No Viswaroopan related or the patriotic Owaisi brothers story can be expected.

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