As loose talk goes…



As spokespersons go, the Bharatiya Janata Party definitely has a battery of the best. Rarely are any Congress spokespersons able to win against them, even when the BJP is being hyperbolic, bigoted, cussed or plain misleading. I notice that Congress spokespersons often have to shout them down (which makes them look plain bad-tempered), they sometimes get personal (which is off-putting) and more often than not they lose the argument.

It was no wonder, then, that the ruling party at the Centre recently appointed a clutch of the more articulate among their ministers to field for the party on television channels, night in and night out. The new lot, especially Ms Daggubati Purandeswari, is rather good – she is cool, calm, collected, fails to be provoked. But, more importantly, she is able to make her points quickly and complete what she is saying in the 40-second span that generally gets allotted to most spokespersons these days by the TV channels on any show/issue.

The ability to speak in sound bytes has become a much-needed skill these days – the best spokesperson of any party ever has been Praful Patel of the Nationalist Congress Party. He has since withdrawn from centre-stage, so far as speaking for the party goes. But I thought he had done a great job of cleaning up the image of his party and that of his rather boorish party president (Sharad Pawar) in the early years of the UPA rule while still holding the rather high-profile job of Minister of state for Civil Aviation. He was never rattled by any question and always found a polite answer to even the most difficult of them. It cannot be a complete coincidence that the NCP (and Pawar’s) image has suffered somewhat since he took a backseat and stopped facing the television cameras after the UPA returned to power at the Centre.

In this day and age of split-second perceptions and instant judgments, it is, therefore, very necessary to have serious-minded individuals with good understanding of issues and quick, intelligent repartee to build or keep the image of your party going. So, with the BJP having some great speakers among their ranks, I was rather surprised, on more than one occasion, to see them fielding actress Kirron Kher who, I thought, suffers from a distinct lack of ability to distinguish between a bias and a difference of opinion or even between fact and fiction and rumour or plain gossip.

This was borne out sharply on the day Anna Hazare began his fast when one of the television channels had her in their studio to present the BJP’s point of view. I had not expected to learn much from Ms Kher but clearly others had noticed, too. For, soon after the show, one of my Twitter friends sent me a message: “Wonder whether Kirron Kher was batting for the BJP or #TeamAnna on the show.”

I had been watching that particular show, too, and I had been amused to see Ms Kher pass off what was not even gossip or a rumour as the Gospel Truth. She blamed the Maharashtra government for the poor support to Anna Hazare in Bombay on December 27 (he had to call off his fast as day later, one day before schedule, due to lack of crowds) and said in no uncertain terms that phone companies had been jammed so that people could not communicate with each other for the purpose. She also said that taxi drivers at the Bandra railway station had been ordered not to ferry passengers to the MMRDA grounds where Anna was fasting and that the government had used the police force to put fear into Anna’s supporters.

All three were furthest from the truth. It was just a coincidence that one of the largest mobile phone service providers suffered outages after a freak fire in their technology and hardware installations the previous night. They restored part of the services by that afternoon. But three days later (and four days after Anna broke his fast) many subscribers are still suffering. The company has apologised to all consumers through front-page advertisements. But it is not as though communication in Bombay was or still is on standstill. All other phone companies have been working normally, and no one even thought that the disruption was a blackout.

So where did Ms Kher get the idea, I wonder? I can see she was trying to be clever but then she should have seen the look on the face of Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan who was being beamed from another OB van. He seemed not even to know who she was but clearly appeared highly amused. And because he is such a gentleman he did not ridicule her much; he only said as gently as possible, “Not at all. That is not the truth.”

Whereupon Ms Kher continued to challenge him and came out with her other remarkable statements. I don’t believe any taxi driver refused a fare to MMRDA grounds that or any other day – but there were very few asking to go the venue of Anna’s fast. The next day, Team Anna, realising the mess they were in, were begging people at the railway station (as well as from the nearby offices) to make tracks to the grounds — and among them were journalists they did not recognize. They have now gone to town about Team Anna’s desperation (and these journalists were indeed taking taxis from the station to the grounds).

As for the police presence – they did come out in large numbers on the first day but they scaled down their force within hours after they realised that Anna’s had been a flop show in Bombay and that they could well handle the smaller crowds with lesser numbers.

Even before I received the tweet, I had wondered what Ms Kher had been talking about: not just the unfounded allegations but she spoke as though she was a spokesperson for Team Anna and not just the BJP. It was quite apparent then that she had failed to understand that, even if the BJP was backing Anna Hazare, it was not something they might have wanted to be made public and certainly not to have anyone from their ranks defend Anna so publicly in this fashion.

Kirron Kher quite gave the game away but the nation was too busy with the debate in the Lok Sabha for too many to have really noticed.

I do not think the BJP needs any film stars, with limited understanding of the complexities and nuances of various issues, to bat for them – they have good ideologues of high calibre who can be depended upon to do them less harm than good.

I have nothing against Ms Kher – I admire her as an actress, I adore her jewellery (as seen on television) and I envy her collection of the most wonderful sarees that she seems to have. But when I listen to the BJP’s (or any other party’s) point of view on any argument, I want rather more than the loose talk indulged in by some celebrities in their private parlours which is not just not based on facts but is downright unintelligent besides.

I expected better of both the BJP and Kirron Kher.

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  • http://twitter.com/pinky12j Suressh

    Yes, i also noticed it, but as always i thought she speaks through her hat rather than thru head.

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  • Khalil Sawant

    Anna or no Anna, Bandra-East Cabbies do not ply anyone short-distance.
    Nirmala SeethRaman does a better job than Manish Tiwari

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Boom in Bombay journalism was also helped by a boom in the journalism of other cities too. Sunday of calcutta editied by MJ Akbar brought a big change in investigative journalism by his incisive reporting on the Bhagalpur riots and other stories. The boom in magazines on a national scale also helped vernalucar dailies who cashed in on it by sprucing up their Sunday editions. Siasat Urdu daily of Hyderabad introduced its Sunday magazine section in the 70s and then coloured it fully later on, which helped it become the largest selling Urdu newspaper in the country. N Ram of the Hindu presented readership in chennai and to India an international scene through Frontline. And then Sportsworld edited by MAK Pataudi and later on Sportstar gave sports (read cricket) enthusiasts that much more Masala on Cricket as well as other sports. Then who can forget Jug Suraya, Bachi Karkaria, Vinod Sharma, Khalid Mohammed, Saeed Naqvi, Swapan Dasgupta, Mujtaba Husain and many more star writers who have contributed greatly in popularising their magazines / newspapers? All of them have done their bit to boost the sales of their publications.

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  • Kushal

    I can’t WAIT for Dec 21, 2012, Alec. If it’s just another boring day, I’ll be most disappointed.

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  • sri rama sarma ydavally

    It is time to think and work out ways and means to derecognise political outfits that incite people on the lines of region, caste or religion. Those who talk of secularism without basic integrity or who take the cover of anti-communal posture as in the latest instance of fdi-in-retail should be exposed and their secret agenda should be arraigned fair and honest individuals and institutions.This is the process that helps churning the system and bring forth an honest cream which thinks of the nation and the people and their onward MARCH.

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  • venkatraman ganapathi

    Its time we accepted that Babri was just a building and not a Mosque as these ****** Muslims claim. As a matter of fact it was a a Ram Mandir. I am not a Hinduvta advocate but we must stop appeasing this territorial religion. The Congress Party has done well so far-by keeping the Muslims in India and illiterate and used their beliefs to secure votes. This has stopped working. Like Pakisthan which has defranchised Hindu votes we must also defranchise the Muslims and give them reservation of 25 seats.This is the only solution for rabbits

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    indian Reply:

    Babri masjid was mosque destructed by hindu terrorists get that staraight,even after exavation its proved..this is old used technique keep idol or stone wherever u want to build temple..automatically people will put some orange powder some cloths and u have the illegal temple ready..BJP targets the majority votebank yet they are not able to win elections ..this shows the incompetency of BJP and hindu terrorists supporting and vot ing it..india is a secular and will be secular

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    swami Reply:

    The old technique is to bury a dead body in a Hindu temple and slaughter cows in the place so the Hindus give up the place as having become impure.
    Also according to the court records it is babri building and not babri masjid.

    Hindus are not secular. They were always deeply spiritual and will always remain so because as swami vivekananda said religion is the business of Hindus.
    Hindus are not tolerant. They believe all religions are true and a person has the freedom to practice the religion he has been put into by God. It is the muslim and christian who are tolerant. They believe only their religion is true and all other religions are satanic and should be destroyed. They behave in a tolerant manner when they do not have the strength to impose their beliefs on you and wait for the time when they would become stronger than you and then impose their religion mercilessly on you.

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  • aman

    Why can t we have an agreement that Hindus offer their pooja on mon/tues and muslims on friday/other day. If we people can co-exist, I am sure god can as well and as some say, GOD is one so let them both be at ONE place.

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    BABAR WAS A INVADER ON INDIAN SOIL.THE MOSQUE WAS BUILT BY DEMOLISHING PART OF THE TEMPLE.
    I APPRECIATE HINDUSTAN TIMES BY CONTINUOUSLY REVIVING THESE TOPICS TO SUIT THEIR POLITICAL MASTERS -CONGRESS.
    BUT TO EXPEXT A WAYOUT ON THESE ISSUES UNDER CONGRESS LED GOVT IS IMPOSSIBLE.THEY ARE THE PEOPLE USED TO GET EDUCATION MONEY AS ENRON CHIEF USED TO SAY OR OIL MONEY WHICH LED TO OUSTER OF FOREIGN MINISTER OF CONGRESS MR.SINGH ETC.
    ONLY A STATEMAN WHO CAN THINK BEYOND THIS BLOG WRITER WILL HELP.HINDUSTAN TIMES SHOULD COME WITH SPECIAL ISSUES ON TEMPLES DESTROYED BY MUSLIMS INVADERS AND MOSQUE DESTROYED BY HINDUS AS A SPECIAL ISSUE WITH PERMISSION FROM THEIR MASTERS.

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    rao Reply:

    BABAR WAS A INVADER ON INDIAN SOIL.THE MOSQUE WAS BUILT BY DEMOLISHING PART OF THE TEMPLE

    bullshit and wrong.brhmns too were invaders.there is proof that any temple was demolished.

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  • Pradhyumna Yadav

    There is no doubt that Congress governments in many states collude with the RSS. Case in point, Andhra Pradesh, where Chief Minister and some of his cabinet colleagues are RSS followers. They have expanded the bhagmati temple at Charminar the temple never existed at the site before 1974. Muslims should create their own parties without relying on the Congress.

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  • Hindustani

    Muslims are curse to Humanity. No religion in the world behaves the way Muslims behave. They are fanatics.

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    sai Reply:

    give some example.

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    momn doter Reply:

    example huh! – Islam came to India. Forced Indians to take Islam. Instead of living peacefully like other religions, asked Islam followers to fight for new states – result – Pakistan and Bangladesh cut off. Our own people under influence of a fanatic religion are in much worse state then they were here.
    Today India is reduced to 3/4 of its original, and Islam is now fighting for Kashmir independence and curses hinduism for plight of minorities, when only Islam has problem with acceptance, while other religions living peacefully with us and us with them.

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    akb Reply:

    brhmns came 3000 years before muslims.they enslaved indans call them hindu.victims of brhmnsm coverted to islam.
    in practice hinuism is worst type aparteism.for 3000 years doors of education remained close to non brhmns.justice was also not equal.

    momn doter Reply:

    Interesting choice of words. We enslaved, and victims then converted to Islam.

  • kumar

    Dhaka | Dec 9 2012 | HE BD Bureau :: A Hindu young man was beaten to death by a Islamic mob near the district courts in the Old Dhaka amid nationwide Bandh (blockade) today clashes that halted the Dhaka-Aricha Highway. The Bandh was called by the opposition group of Bangladesh, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (Nationality means here the Islamic Nationality of BD) and the Jammat-e-Islami Party of Bangladesh. It has been alleged that members of the students union of both parties ‘Jatiyatabadi Chatra (Students) League’ and ‘Islami Chhatra Shibir’ were behind the brutal killing of this Hindu Youth named Biswajit Kumar Das (24 yrs) with lethal weapons like Iron rods and sharpened chopper.

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    Truhseeker Reply:

    ঢাকার লক্ষ্মীবাজারে ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডারদের ছুরিকাঘাতে বিশ্বজিৎ দাস নিহত হয়েছেন।

    ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা ধাওয়া করলে বিশ্বজিৎ স্থানীয় একটি কিনিকে
    গিয়ে আশ্রয় নেন। সেখানে ঢুকে
    ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা তাকে কুপিয়ে টেনেহিঁচড়ে দোতলা থেকে রাস্তায় নামিয়ে আনে।

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    engrich Reply:

    he was killed by mistake.by supporter of haseena wajid.haseena supports hindus in bangladesh.he was not killed because he was hindu.

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    momn doter Reply:

    All politicians are in favor of other religions. Fact still stands.

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  • kumar

    No Muslim was killed during destruction of mosque but Indian Muslims have engaged in numerous terror attacks and killed many civilians in revenge. Contrast that with reports coming out of Muslim world where Hindu temples, Buddhist statutues, Christians praying inside churches are destroyed and killed but still no Hindu or Christian terrorists in Pakistan who massacre civilians in bomb blasts in buses or markets- only Muslim terrorists in Pakistan. How do you explain that?

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    indian Reply:

    kumar goons of rss and vhp burnt alive 16 poor innocent muslims on 6th december.ayodhya is not hindu place.historically it was budhhdist place later occupied by shaivites after budhdhist were annihilated and chased out of plane areas.their temples were converted into hindu temples.for short period place was occupied by jainese.its life is 2200 years.while rama was born in treta yug 4000 years ago.so it wrong bullshit and diabolic to say that rama was born here.rama cult was introduced in 16th century by ramanand misra and later by tulsidaas.
    rss vhp used rama to divide backwards of hindi speaking belt.zoinist has future plan to ignite war between shaivaites and vaishnavites(rama was made 8th avtar of vishnu.)
    the whole gme was based on fraud and lies.took india 10 years back.brhmnst and zoinists use their idol to make money and bully others.
    ram lila was started bynawab wajid ali shah of lucknow.
    it is during muslim period that ayodhya became vibrant municipality from sleeping village.

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    momn doter Reply:

    I don’t know who tells you these things – ram lila started by nawab wajid ali shah and all. Let me put this delicately – Ayodhya, gokul, mathura, katra, chaar dhaam, hrisikesh aur haridwar hamara hai.

    Now talking some sense – These places are of faith importance to us hindus but we couldn’t do anything when under islamic rule. Babri was made after demolishing Indian temple.
    Islam ruled entire country. Couldn’t they find other place to build mosques.

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    engrich Reply:

    hindu places of worship flourished under muslim rule.ayodya is not mentioned anywhere in hindu scripture.it was budhhdist place captured by brhmns,buhdhdist temples were forcibly converted into hindu temples.

    ram lila was started by nawab wajid ali shah.under muslim rule ayodhya became vibrant city from sleeping village.

    hindu built nothing.they captured budhdist holy places.now they are fabricating the bullshit to capture muslim holy places.

    Sudhir Yadav Reply:

    Any historical fact for ayodhya being budhist and other etc you mentioned.

    engrich Reply:

    CHINESE TRAVELLRS DESCRIBED this city.nowhere ayodhya is mentioned in hindu holy scripture.u will find many jain temples there as well.hidu use their idols to make money and bully others.

    Sam Reply:

    In the Ayodhya Kaanda of Valmiki Ramayana, a Buddhist was compared to a thief and the Tathagatas to atheists (Naastiks). It said:

    यथा हि चोर स्स तथा हि बुद्ध-
    स्तथागतं नास्तिकमत्र विद्धि।

    As a thief, so is Buddha. Know that Tathagatas are atheists. [Sarga 109; shloka 34]

    The Yajnavalkya Smriti says that the very sight of a monk with red robes and shaven head (referring to Buddhists), even in a dream, is a bad sign. [Yajnavalkya SmritiI/272-273]

    The Agni Purana[16/1-3] and Vishnu Purana[18/13-18] refer to Buddha as an embodiment of Grand Deception (māyamohasvarup) and that he deluded the people from the Vedic Religion. His path is a sure ticket to hell.

    The great philosopher of Hinduism, Shankaracharya, said that the Buddha was suffering from what we know as schizophrenia. Shankaracharya said that

    “he (Buddha) was a man given to make incoherent assertions or else that hatred of all beingsinduced him to propound absurd doctrines by accepting which they would become thoroughly confused.–So that–and this the Sûtra means to indicate–Buddha’s doctrine has to be entirely disregarded by all those who have a regard for their own happiness.”

    [Shankar Bhashya on Brahmasutra 2/2/32]

    Sam Reply:

    “The king (Sudhanva) commanded his servants “kill all Buddhists from Himalaya to Rameshvaram, even children and elderly. Whosoever will not kill them, will be killed at my hands.” [93]

    At the instigation of Kumarila Bhatta, the king killed the Buddhists, the opponents (of the Hindu religion) just like a Yogi destroys the disturbances. [95]

    [Madhava-Vidyaranya, Sankara Digvijaya Sarg 1; shlokas 93-95] “

    momn doter Reply:

    Dude now you are irritating me. I know how islamic world works. You come across these things in blogs made by other muslims, and from other muslim extremists. After all there is always a book from which you can show your point.

    Wajid ali shah was the first muslim to start ramlila in his dynasty. Saying Ayodhya became vibrant under muslim rule is a slap on my face. ‘Ayodhya not mentioned in scriptures’ is the irritating part. Islam never had respect for other religions, nor will it ever.

  • balaji

    previously…. with the help of wapons muslims who were less than 1 percent in population converted all temples into mosques and so babri was one of it…..

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  • Raghavendra

    Mr Zia haq show me one election when MUSLIMS have voted with out keeping BJP in mind? people of your community have become pawns in the game played by parties like CONGRESS, LEFT, SP .

    you feel MUSLIMS really vote for issues as development and education i feel all they care about is keeping COMMUNAL BJP out at all cost.

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  • Faulitics

    “According to Zoya Hasan of Delhi’s Jawaharlal Nehru University, when Muslims see an emerging threat from Hindu nationalists threatening their identity,”

    Why would indian Muslims of Indian ethnic stock tie their identity to a dilapidated building built by a self confessed genocidal fanatic like Babur who came from Uzbekistan and occupied the land of their Indian ancestors ? If this is true, what sort of idiotic ideology promotes this kind of cult like mindset?

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  • momn doter

    Let me tell you why I hate Islam. Fact – “Muslim majority countries
    don’t develop (unless there is oil) and don’t respect minorities”. So
    I am in favor of Islam free India – A country where every religion but
    Islam is welcome. I’m not against holy Qur’an or current Muslims. I
    would like new borns to be converted to any other religion, in case you
    are not a fan of Hinduism.

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  • ENGRICH

    Two
    decades is almost a third of the journey that independent India has
    covered since 1947. It’s been a long journey, chequered with events that
    challenged, threatened and sometimes even sustained – in their own
    convoluted way – the idea of the Indian state. The epoch begins with
    what happened in small-town Ayodhya on Dec 6, 1992 when a medieval
    mosque, labelled as a monument of Mughal pride and persecution, was
    pulled down by a frenzied mob of right-wing Hindu ‘activists’. One need
    not go into the well-documented details of what happened that day.

    The
    only aspect I want you to consider here for the sake of the argument I
    will be making later is that the demolition of Babri Masjid, organised
    by the BJP government in UP and tacitly supported by the Congress
    government at the Centre, was still considered an assault on the Indian
    state. It was constitutionally a ‘crime’ and therefore liable to
    prosecution, which of course did happen. That nobody has been punished
    yet for the demolition and its protagonists today grace the Parliament
    and dream of
    becoming the Prime Minister of the country is a different story.

    Two
    decades later, there is a lot of talk about the nation moving on.
    Presumably towards less hatred and more ‘development’, thanks to another
    epochal event that happened a year before Ayodhya 1992 – the opening of
    the Indian market. But has the state really moved on? If so, then has
    the state moved forward on a trajectory of democracy, justice and
    equality, or has it actually regressed into a delusional and scarier
    behemoth? Let’s consider another example on the ‘decadent’ (couldn’t
    resist the pun)
    timeline as the title of this piece suggests.

    Let’s
    move a decade forward to an event that is again simply called Gujarat
    2002, undeniably the most unfortunate event since Ayodhya 1992. How do
    we look at Gujarat 2002 vis-a-vis the Indian state? Well, we can’t,
    because Gujarat 2002 was all about the state. It was a state-sponsored
    and organised pogrom against its minorities, the main protagonist of
    which has grown more powerful since the violence and represents the
    collective dream of Hindu middle-class as well as its corporates of
    becoming India’s next Prime
    Minister.

    So
    what changed? For the sake of argument, we can say with some comfort
    that the Babri protagonists were largely punished by India’s syncretism.
    Of course, the BJP gained from Ayodhya 1992, forming a short-lived
    government in 1996 and then coming back to power in 1998. Yet, the
    protagonists of the demolition – Kalyan Singh, Vinay Katiyar, Uma
    Bharti, Murli Manohar Joshi and even L K Advani – could never come out
    of its shadow. In contast, Narendra Modi’s only claim to fame, if you
    will, is Gujarat 2002. Modi without the pogrom has no resume to flaunt
    or
    claim his legitimacy as the tallest leader in the same BJP.

    Allow
    me to elaborate. What changed in a decade since 1992 – in the same BJP -
    was that while Advani, the supreme architect of Hindutva in India,
    could not become an accepted prime ministerial candidate because of
    Ayodhya 1992 and the violence that followed, Modi, on the other hand,
    has not only been largely excused from any serious prosecution by the
    law of the land for his role in Gujarat 2002, he is even the BJP’s only
    consensus candidate for the prime minister’s post.

    In
    other words, while we may bask in the growing secularisation of the
    state – marked by a larger rule of law as well as open-market capitalism
    – the fact remains that the Indian state continues to be schizophrenic
    about its self-image. If Ayodhya 1992 was about a bunch of non-state
    loonies pulling down a mosque, Gujarat 2002 was marked by the same state
    being an active participant in a pogrom against its largest minority.
    While Ayodhya 1992 sought to correct a perceived historical wrong by
    erasing its material testimony, Gujarat 2002 did not even care to show
    any pretension other than a crude and
    violent majoritarianism.

    Mumbai
    2012, to move on and conclude, further complicates the pattern of the
    Indian state’s failure to define itself in a more rational, democratic
    and more importantly, secular manner. By choosing to honour a rabid
    hate-monger who mocked at all the ideals a liberal nation is supposed to
    stand for, the state displayed its pathological schizophrenia like
    never before. The state funeral of Bal Thackeray, in other words,
    expunged him of his role in the killing of hundreds of Muslims in Mumbai
    post-Ayodhya 1992, which is just one among his and his
    party’s many assaults on the state. Moreover, as the year 2012 closes,
    the killer of Gujarat 2002 is set to return as the Chief Minister of the
    state for a record fourth term.

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  • X

    PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IN KORAN IS IT WRITTEN “LOVE” “PEACE ” ..FIRST SHOW ME ..ISLAM SPREADS HATRED

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  • X

    islam is crazy ..fact 1) it has words like kafirs etc 2) muslim lie when they tell jihad is all about peaced etc ..now where will you dinf word like love etc..muslims only like to kill anf they cry when some body ***** them in written !!

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  • X

    hey writter u *** BABUR WAS NOT EVEN INDIAN LOL

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  • Indian

    Also my advice to author also meet people whose relatives(even woman) got killed in Train Burning Incident this one sided reporting suggest that you writer are also of same kind who thinks only Muslim suffering is suffering Other religion suffering is irrelevant.

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    agnivesh Reply:

    compartment was burnt by goons of rss and vhp to provide reason for ahmedabad riot.brhmns and banias hate lower caste hindus more than muslims.they killed shoodra hindus to give reason.killing muslims was yearly affair.hindus of surat paid cash to hinu gundaas

    to keep surat calm.

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    momn doter Reply:

    why the **** do you want to use a hindu name motherfucker, atleast have the courtesy of writing a muslim name.

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  • Anonymous

    The greatness of muslims can be found in the ruins of temples all over North India and the intolerance in every country where they are in a majority.No one cares about your lies.Muslims shd not have burnt the train if they did not want the backlash.

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    engrich Reply:

    bullshit most of big temples were built during moghul period.ashoka built 60000 temples in orrisa later demolished by his great grand son on the advise of his brhmn pm.in hinduism temple is bussines.it is they who capture occupy and demolish others places of worship.

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    Azad Murtad Reply:

    This comments from the followers of a religion who worship the pagan god in Mecca – - the black stone

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  • M.Janardhan Rao

    This is the problem with the Muslims.They live in past.KYO MODI KO JAANA HOGA?

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  • Indian

    One reason we love modi is because you hate them.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Then it is remarkably easy for other people to lead you around by the nose.

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    Gulabi Reply:

    may be you are a Hijra to love modi hahahaaaaaa….

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  • Someone

    You read that line “Modi koo jaana hoga” in article they have not forgotten what happened though HIndus whose relatives got killed in Train Burning have forgiven and started their life but this people(Muslims) dont forgive and dont have any tolerance they will live in past and thats why Most of Muslim Country are backward only ones somewhat rich are the ones who has lots of oil otherwise they are stone age people.

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  • yuceem

    Death is always a traggic matter, no matter who the person is and the mode of death, riots, accidents, natural disasters or plain criminal acts. The author and the likes of him want to highlight as if the riots were one sided and unprovoked . An incident like train burning in any other country would have resulted in wars- what was the reaction of USA, after the 9/11 incident, it went to war and castigated practically an entire religion all over the world as terrorist suspects. Why does not the author and his fellow secularists write about common people in Afghanistan , Iraq etc too? Why donot they write about Assam ? There have been riots in other places at different times,(all are a blot on humanity) why this special focus on Gujrat ? Because in most other riots, the scores were more or less even or the ’secularists’ had upper hand, but in Gujrat the ’secularists’ were outdone. Hence their grouse .

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    When you live in a civilized world you leave retribution to the State. When you take matters into your own hand and hunt for revenge your actions do not deserve commendation.

    In the case of most post Godhra rioters at an individual level, their violence was indeed unprovoked because neither they themselves, nor their families were the victims of violence.

    Further, if you compare the Gujarat rioting to the post 9/11 Afghanistan war then you imply that the events in Gujarat were a civil war.

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    sheo Reply:

    When Muslims suffer they talk of civilized world. But what they do now and have been doing since ages is forgotten. Wait till the entire world will throw your kind of guys out from their countries. Behind every terrorism there is a muslim hand. You have provoked the entire religions. The Hindu families who suffered in Gujrat were not the direct enemies of the muslim goondas but suffered just because they were Hindu Pilgrims. So they provoked the Hindus Community itself and so the defensive retribution and message. Civilized countries regret having let you in. They simply don’t like you at all.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Your kind of guys? What kind of guys are these?

    You must live in world of very small ideas if you instantly presume think that anyone opposed to your views fits into a convenient stereotype.

    By the way, you think like a tribalist. Not much different from the muslims you oppose.

    Faulitics Reply:

    I agree with your well made and articulate point. Collective punishment is a terrible crime and that’s what happened in gujrat but its not the first time this has happened and its victims have not always been Muslims. By the way, comparison with a concentration camp shows that Zia is all about propaganda and I have never ever seen a single article from him about Hindus being targeted in various places and specifically Kashmir by Islamic fanatics and are little more than traitors to this country.

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  • Debasish

    What happened in Gujarat in 2002 post Godhra is deplorable and every right thinking Indian would condemn it. But what is also deplorable and condemnable is what happened in GODHRA as well as in Delhi/UP and other places in 1984 and numerous other riots in different parts of India under different regime.

    Has the writer ever bother to find out about the ghosts roaming in Godhra or in Delhi where he lives. His only focus seems to be Gujarat and Gujarat alone and that too only post Godhra and that too only muslims. (Some Hindus were also killed post Godhra though a smaller number).
    That decisively proves that you are a Musilm first and an Indian later (despite all your claims to the contrary). And hence, you have zero credibility for educated nationalist Indians who want all communities to prosper and empathize with all communities.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    It is not necessary to deal with all instances of rioting when one is dealing with a particular instance. There are plenty of books which deal with the history of all rioting in India. This article has a more limited scope.

    In the case of the Delhi riots most or all of the politicians who were reputed to be involved are dead or removed from power. In the case of Gujarat, Modi is still CM.

    That is why it is necessary to analyze the Gujarat riots even when one is not dealing with all riots as such. And since Modi is CM it is more necessary to analyze post Godha events than Godhra itself. For if Godhra was bad (it was) then the possible involvement of the state machinery in post Godhra events was worse.

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    Someone Reply:

    Tytler is in CWC till I heard and also was recently involved in Orrisa police harassment case.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Tytler is the reason I said most or all and CWC is not as important as an elected CM but you’re right. Political parties have to learn to keep these people away.

    Debasish Reply:

    I am not talking about the space in this article. Look at all his blogs and tell me did he ever bother to think about “other” Indians?

    You are trying to equate Narendra Modi with Jagdish Tytler etc. Equivalent of Modi in 1984 riots were Rajiv Gandhi (Delhi was not a state then and came under central governance) and Narayan Dutt Tiwary, the chief minister of UP. Rajiv Gandhi became the PM of the country AFTER the riots – nobody made any noise then like they are making now.
    Equivalent of Jagdish Tytler, Azad Kardam etc. in 2002 was Maya Kodnani. While Kodnani has been convicted, people like Tytler, Kardam etc, who were known to be close to Gandhi family BEFORE the riots, have been scot-free.

    Though twice as many people were killed in 1984 riots, there have been very very few convictions in 1984 riots. While I am happy that many people have been convicted for 2002 riots, we, as a nation, have failed the victims of 1984 riots. And there is nobody to shed tears for them.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Actually, I’m not equating Tytler to Modi. I’m saying Tytler is a relatively minor figure compared to Modi.

    It is sad that many who have been involved in rioting (_all_ rioting) have got away from justice but that does not mean that people should continue to get away.

    “nobody made any noise then like they are making now.”

    Well, maybe Indians have grown up over the past three decades and are making a noise now. Wouldn’t you agree that that is a good thing?

  • http://www.facebook.com/kashi2222 Kashi Kashi

    absurd article, Muslim mind set never changes, they think they can get away by doing anything under the guise of minority victim hood, every riot should be ascertained by thorough inquiry the initiators should be punished more stringently, this fellow should have done same with respect to kashmiri pandits, and fellow who think that modi has been cause of Hindu Muslim riots should explain what was the cause when hundreds of riots happened without modi, these fellows never learn lessons from history, ambedkar opined that Islamic brother hood is not universal brother hood it confines to Islam only,

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  • http://www.facebook.com/balkrishna.panday.33 Balkrishna Panday

    I was a 15 year old when we had to leave a well settled life in Lahore. The author must know what happened to Hindus in the Muslim dominated towns of Rawalpindi and Peshawar. Today one should keep aside the riots and appreciate that Rehman Malik prayed at the Dargah of Nizamuddin for Peace between India and Pakistan. All should follow that Sai Baba of Shirdi said SAB KA MAALIK EK. Visit www. esainoida.org and see how a Sai Baba Temple serves the humanity at large. Khuda Hafiz and Jai Sai Ram.

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  • Nitin

    This dude always cries in his articles about Muslims being raped in this country, and talks shit about non-Muslims. I wish he could be charged for spreading communal hatred, but with the blessings of his masters (Sonia, Mulayam, Lalu..) it will never happen.
    @Zia: You seem to be an educated moron, so I also can not expect you to preach your community to stop doing the wrong. All the best with your writings.

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  • Vipul

    I can tell hundreds of disgusting inhuman stories from Mopala’s in 1920s to partition riots..Razakar’s barbarik act in Hyderabad in 1948 to till today in UP and several other parts..where thousands of Hindus are butchered.

    Forget about Muslim killing Hindus…450000 women were raped in Bangladesh in an official estimate by fellow religion soldiers..which is still continue as shia genocide in Pakistan and several other countries..

    But my dear friend Rioter has no religion what ever he claims he is. But there is no point of scratching the same wound even after 11 years in the name of journalism. Move forward. there is whole tons of issue in front of Muslims in this country. Dont vote for BJP but at least get a good bargain from your secular parties beyond just vote bank and protection from BJP.

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  • CalifGuy20

    If Modi is opium for Gujarat’s masses — then we need such opium for all of India’s masses. That will shut up authors like this forever. They should be put on the next flight to Pakistan.

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  • CalifGuy20

    Another typical “communal” muslim writer — perfect “secular” man for Congress.

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  • Saukat ali

    We all believe that bunch of people like you are opium of sick-ular! As you people came of with your definition of secularism than We all know congress and their slaves are best communal force in India to ruin our unity and since 65 years they are being anti-national, We are sick off tired of such people. God please act fast…..we all curse you for being fake and biased.

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  • Saukat ali

    Why writer like this never came up to condemn terrorism done by muslims? why such people keep mum when kashmiri pandits being forced to move? why they keep quiet when mumbia attack happen? Such a hypocrite!!!!!! Look arround you moron…see what religion of peace is doing….the name has no meaning to it!

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    There are plenty of writers who do condemn terror done by muslims too. Islam may not be the religion of peace it claims to be but that does not make every individual muslim guilty of terrorism. Nor does every non Muslim gain the right to seek vengeance.

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Agree that all Muslims are not terrorist but definitely almost all terrorist are Muslims….Open your eyes and see the beautiful world of Muslims. A religion founded by a pedophile, mass murderer and rapist can only perpetuate on these foundations.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Open your eyes and try to actually read and understand my post before you fire off a reply.

    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    That wasn’t personal at you. I was talking about the people Who always say Muslims are not terrorist. Apologies if I sounded otherwise.

    devil_wheels Reply:

    I apologize for misunderstanding.

    devil_wheels Reply:

    Open your eyes and try to actually read and understand my post before you fire off a reply.

  • Saukat ali

    I left Islam long ago because of its not religion of peace…Very intolerant, violent and force on us by invaders. I feel now I am close to the god since i left islam.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Try leaving all religion behind. It’s even better.

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  • sam

    Man this article writer some sort of a MANIAC it seems, may you die in hell, shameless creature, if you are so concerned, please leave HINDUSTAN and go to PAKISTAN and make a living. Senseless article.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Senseless post.

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  • LATEEF

    GOING BY THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD IT BECOMES CLEAR AS DAY THAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE PUNISHMENT COMMENSURATE WITH THE SINS (ATROCITIES ) THEY COMMITTED ALL OVER THE GLOBE. AS PER THE LAWS OF NATURE THEY WILL SURELY BE CALLED UPON TO ACCOUNT FOR THEIR DOINGS, ONE DAY.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohammad: The opium for muslim masses

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    bullshit

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  • THIRD EYE

    A FOO# IS A FOO# FOR EVER, NO AMOUNT OF SYMPATHY FROM ANY QUARTER CAN HELP HIM TIDE OVER HIS PLIGHT .INDOOS HAVE A SPECIAL APTITUDE FOR THAT. NO END WILL EVER COME TO THEIR SUFFERING.

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  • Anil Kumar

    Godhra, India’s Auschwitz ?? Seriously ?? I thought 1984 riots could be compared with it in wildest of imaginations for its targeted killings. This only shows the extent of the hatred towards a person. The article and the writer can never be unbiased after tht. This is my 1000th or more article on Gujarat and Modi. Generally, the articles spew venom on Modi, and the comments(90% of them) curse the writer. There is something inherently wrong then. The more Media targets him, the more followers he gains. Mayb its time for media to learn from Congress in Gujarat and the policy they followed in 2012 election. Targeted maligning of one person is not correct. There are crooks and rogues going scott free in India. Mayb its time for the media to distribute their energies. And this victimhood of mulims is not helping the national integration cause either.

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  • Chetan

    Its only Muslims, who are poor, ignored and had in-justice, Hindus, Parsis and other religion are very rich and dont have any problem at all in India, Have you ever went to the homes who are burnt alive in the train?

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  • Sheo

    When India was divided in two countries Pakistan was made a Muslim Homeland.

    Why didn’t all muslims go there ? Their share wad given. Such a big event happened. The nation was divided into two and they still decided to remain in Hindu Land. It is wrong by all means.

    My question is when Muslim got their land and made it an Islamic Nation then where should the Hindus go and say Hindu Homeland. In our own land our pilgrims were burnt and roasted alive and muslims laughed. They did not even sympathize with the aggrieved families instead they burned crackers to mock the Hindus, What should they expect then ? Are Hindus cowards that every one ridicules us. The Hindu Tolerance is taken as being meek. The Muslim refugees who stayed back and didn’t go to Pakistan and now ridicule us. What What What is expected of the Hindu then ? Why do they have separate laws for them ? Why they didn’t integrate with the nation. They always support Pakistan and Islam. The nation should come before religion.

    This congress is run by a Muslim ( Pseudo Gandhi) who shall only loot the nation and favor Muslims openly not to sympathize with them but only to get votes.

    Throw out the congress and all will be well.

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    RAMAVTAR Reply:

    POPULATION TRANSFER WAS NOT PART OF DIVISION.

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  • Sheo

    It was a Hindu Army which saved the Muslims Benaglis in Bangaldesh where more than 3,00,000 girls were merciless raped and butchered by MUSLIM PAKIS. Intelligentsia was skinned alive and butchered.
    This is what is taught in Islam ? and these Bangladeshis muslims forgot this.
    The very reason why people love Modi and made him a hero is becuae you guys hate him

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    rao Reply:

    than 3,00,000 girls were merciless raped
    figure is hyped by 1000 times.delhi is rape capital ofworld.

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  • engrich

    godhra train burning was carried out by goons of rss and vhp,to provide reason for ahmedabad riot.which was preplanned.

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  • engrich

    Godhra has a history of violence by Muslims which is known to Gujarat as such so dont just keep train burning as someone else

    GODHRA HAS NO HISTORY OF MUSLIM VOILENECE .FIRE WAS STARTED BY MODI AGENTS.NO ONE ELSE.

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    Indian Reply:

    In 1980, five members of a Sindhi family, which had migrated from Pakistan during the partition, were burnt alive at Muslim-dominated Signalfalia in Godhra.

    Their’s was the lone Hindu family in the area and oldtimers say muslims wanted them to vacate their house and leave.

    In 1990, four Hindu teachers of Saifia Madarsa in Vorwad area of Godhra town were killed by Muslims,

    These are few incidents which HT only published recently in article so dont lie and spread false info on Internet

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    skb Reply:

    for all above there is law.culprit should be punished.incidence are few.happens in every municiality.AS PER FIR PUMPS TO EXTINGUISH FIRE WAS BROUGHT BY MUSLIMS.there is no proof that muslims ignited the bogey.

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    Someone Reply:

    Convict have been given punishment in the train bogey case which consisted names of Muslims for your info so there is no question or argument on that.

  • rao

    well said islam is religion of hate and violence look what they are doing across the world

    BULLSHIT MUSLIMS ARE VICTIM OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM AND BRHMNST OF INDIA.

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  • TAJENDER

    BRHMNSTS WERE KILLING AND MURDERING MUSLIMS AND OTHER SINCE 1969.GODHRA WAS PERPETUATED BY AGENTS OF KILLER MODI.

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  • Anonymous

    Indias Auschwitz is not Gujarat..but Kashmir valley where lakhs of Hindus were driven out of their houses at gun point or were killed… Their houses were occupied by their own neighbours .. They are still living in refugee camps in Delhi.. Ask any Kashmiri Pandit and he would tell you the story how they all escaped taking whatever they could pack and leaving everything behind… but these writers would never talk about their Plight…
    I think being a hindu victim doesnt attract the sympathies of English speaking leftist products of JNU…
    What about those 270 Hindus who died in the Gujarat riots? Yes they were riots where both parties killed each other..
    Auszwitch was Kashmir or even 1984 Sikh killings where the Kangress workers openly massacred thousands of Sikhs all over India….these JNU products very casually forget that it was the RSS and the BJP workers who
    patrolled the Delhi streets to protect the Sikhs(as remarked by Khushwant singh)

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    THE BLOG IS AS EXPECTED FROM A CONGRESS MAN.THESE THINGS ARE NOTHING NEW.CONGRESS HAS A HABIT OF IGNORING NON MUSLIM KILLINGS.THAT WAS THE REASON MOHAN DAS JI AND NEHRU ALONG WITH INDIRA WENT TO BENGAL RATHER THAN PUNJAB.

    THROWING OUT OF HINDUS OUT OF KASHMIR IS OK WITH CONGRESS.I AM HAPPY AUTHOR CALLS GUJRAT A AUSHWIZ ,THE MOST NOTORIOUS CONCENTRATION CAMP OF2ND WORLD WAR.RECENTLY A MUSLIM ILY GIRLS WERE ARRESTED IN MUMBAI FOR A TWEET IN CONGRESS RUN STATE.HER UNCLES CLINIC WAS RANSACKED.OUT OF FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE ,THEY FLED TO GUJRAT

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    The essence of this blog is – **** in **** out. On the same note you have justified every paisa of congress showered on you till date by writing this. Intellectuals like you in Muslim community are more responsible for its downfall than any other factor. Queen Maino is definitely proud of slaves like you.

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  • Gujarati

    Although I am hindu, am not a fan of Mr. Modi’s politics. I have seen muslim brutality in Ahmedabad during 1992 riots. I was working in Muslim area of Mirzapur, fresh from university. 6th December 1992, I was stuck up in Mirzapur chowk and so does thousands of hindus working in that area. Then suddenly firing started from nearby mosque and person on bike beside me got blood in his hand and even before he realize, he fainted. On that day rushing to get out of Mirzapur, I and my fellow coworker, saw few more burning bodies of Hindus. In the evening in Maninagar area, we saw Muslims firing on the people living in Uganda Park. Police officers there on duty were bagging for unregistered firearms because JD+Congress government did not provide order to fire at Muslim mobs attacking this hindu areas because they could loose muslim votes. They didn’t get one because there were none. I saw 6 young hindus killed just in Uganda Park/Lalita Society area, one of which was elder brother of my former class mate, with last name Verma. You can still see his memorial at Lalita society, Isanpur.

    I have grown up with lots of muslim friends in Shah-e-Alam area and nothing personal against Muslims. Sh*t happens because of these politicians but people like this author are creating more bad blood between Hindus and Muslims.

    Past is past. I have forgotten and so does my fellow Hindu and Muslim gujaratis. We are hardworking community and reaping fruits of it.

    But people like this author and news papers, all of them, not only HT, remind us of our wounds. My humble request is to stop reminding us these bad times.
    If you are true Indian, start working towards connecting Hindus and Muslims instead of pulling them apart.

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Kudos for coming with ground realities of Gujarat. As to the author, writing against Modi and indirectly against the Hindus is his bread and butter, he’s paid to do it, he has no choice. These people don’t want Muslims to prosper and assimilate in the society. If this happens, their paymasters the CONgress will lose their votebank. It’s all about votebank politics – nothing more and self-styled journalist like this one abound and prosper in today’s media as CONgress has got enough coins to throw at them. Sh@me on today’s media.

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    Parashuram Yadav Reply:

    Man.. why are you lying? shame on your RSS khaki chaddi. There were 3000 Muslims who died and you are blaming them?

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    Indian Reply:

    where do you get these figures some say 7000 muslims some say 3000 muslims while Government of India says 1200 something that to not only muslims but 1200 consisted of 25% Hindus.

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    Indian Reply:

    Also he is talking about 1992 not 2002 !diot

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    Faulitics Reply:

    Excellent post. But gutter rats survive on the filth in the gutter. Zia needs these propaganda articles to survive.

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  • naresh

    Reading Zia’s article one feels that partition in1947 was not complete

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  • naresh

    Reading Zia’s article one feels that partition in1947 was not complete

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  • speakloud

    Hindustan Times , MOUTHPIECE of Congress ,what one can expect ? As said in Marathi Language.. MAKAD MAHNTO MAZI LAL.

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  • speakloud

    Hindustan Times , MOUTHPIECE of Congress ,what one can expect ? As said in Marathi Language.. MAKAD MAHNTO MAZI LAL.

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  • vijay

    The writer is biased and prejudicial to Modi and the Hindus he only mentions the train incident once which was the source of the carnage. He mentions words like demagogue, opium, Aushwitz, in reference to Modi. The more you vilify Modi more readership you get in the secular media, but while writing this he has forgotten and fallen short of glorifying Idi Amin, Omar Al Bashir, Osama bin Laden. This is not the Hindustan Times i knew it should be renamed The Congress Times.

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  • vijay

    The writer is biased and prejudicial to Modi and the Hindus he only mentions the train incident once which was the source of the carnage. He mentions words like demagogue, opium, Aushwitz, in reference to Modi. The more you vilify Modi more readership you get in the secular media, but while writing this he has forgotten and fallen short of glorifying Idi Amin, Omar Al Bashir, Osama bin Laden. This is not the Hindustan Times i knew it should be renamed The Congress Times.

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  • anangsen

    Yes, this is a fact. Like Azamgarh, Aligarh area of UP where muslims are organised into gangs which can be mobilised to create riots, loot, arson, rape within a matter of minutes. It is muslim gangland.

    The author paints a picture of carnage against the muslims, writing about their plight in graphic detail…..but why is he TOTALLY SILENT on even WORSE done to Hindus by his beloved muslims in places like Kashmir and Mumbai? At least the riots in Guj were in RETALIATION to the train incident…..against what were the muslim gundas retaliating to in Kashmir and Mumbai????

    The writer thinks that he can create mass hysteria by penning such trash, but he is forgetting that this is the internet age where people will not merely meekly accept this drivel but write AGAINST it!

    Sorry Mr. Zia Haq, but times have changed, and you shall see the new dawn on the 20th.

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  • AM

    love the introduction where the writer states Modi is supported by filmstars and Business and when madani arrives in Gujarat he is received by mahesh bhatt (another bollywood representative) who the writer feels is the beacon of hope for the muslims. Come on Zia ji , you cpuld have done better

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  • Sandy burger

    This journalist didn’t bother to visit Godhara and see burned trains. Or to meet dead Hindus. one sided idiots.

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  • winston churchil

    This author has the audacity to call Gujrat, the Auschwitz, forgetting how the muslim rulers treated Hindus, destroyed their Temples, desecrate the deities,
    imposed Razia, and forced rulers to marry their daughters and wives and looted the nation. Muslims, who are intolerant to any other religion, killing Shias and Ahmadia’s, while they are praying, and trying to convert the whole world to Islam. This author, who proclaim to be the Muslim face, show read the history, and be grateful that he can write such stupid articles and get is published, walk over to Muslim Pakistan and he will get a lesson of his life. The muslims, are
    the nucleus of terrorism in India, these home grown, traitors are behind every
    act of terrorism in India. Gujrat riots would not have happened, if his Muslim
    brother would have not torched the train carrying Kar-Sevaks. This author must be thinking that it is a birth right for every Muslim to kill Hindu, be a terrorist and
    a traitor- because muslims are chosen people. Those days are gone, when
    Muslims can kill majority with impunity. Muslims listen to only one language, that is called FORCE, one can not reason with them, every body is Kafir, and
    they are the only chosen son of GOD. So please stop this nonsense of
    Auschwitz and get a life or migrate to Pakistan and be happy their. That counry was created for people like you.

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  • http://twitter.com/VandeMaBharati VandeMaBharati

    As usual rant of Hindustan trolls in favour of Khangress and Millais

    Wasted my 10 mins reading this bs.

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    vin0059 Reply:

    VandeMaBharati u are are an absolute and real nonsense.800 years of muslim
    rule was golden period of indian history.roads building cities were
    built by muslim rulers.india had gdp 25%of world gdp and literacy was
    93%.there was complete communal harmony.shudras were given good posts in
    armed forces.everybody was equal before law.education was free and
    state was obliged to pay even for books and copies.

    britishers called muslim india as sone kee chidia.

    in 65 years u destroyed indianness of indian.

    in vedic period doors of education were closed to nonbrhmns for 3000
    years .justice was according to caste not crime.even swarsati is
    jahil.it is because of muslim rule india was better than its
    neighbour.see nepal,lone hindu kingom of world.

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  • Parashuram Yadav

    This is a blot on India. It is a shame that the main perpetrator get’s elected by the Gujaratis. We have lost of shame, lost of sympathy and empathy. Hindus have become devils, who think that they worship Ram, but in reality they started worshiping Raavan. Shame.

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    Faulitics Reply:

    Both ram and raavan are mythical. Does it matter if you worship either Donald Duck or snoopy? By the way, is your sympathy for a person depend on what religion he is or is it based on truth and fairness?

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    Mehul Reply:

    Write with your original name @sshole

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  • Faulitics

    Karl Marx said that religion is the opium of the masses. That’s generally true of most religion and especially true of Islam. Zia has consumed that opium so only the suffering of people belonging to Islam will be visible to this opium addict. A sign of a fanatic is when you see a person looking at everything through his religious prism and when he looks at people, he sees greens and saffrons. Since green is his favorite color, his focus is on green and doesn’t care a damn about saffron. Arabization is to blame for this kind of attitude.

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  • Jogi

    The author sounds like a Fanatic and seems blinded by hatred for Gujarat and Gujarati’s. Please make a visit to Gujarat and see the progress of Minorities. Please compare it with the condition of Minorities in states like UP, Bihar, AP and Delhi which are ruled by so called “Secular” governments. Think beyond Minority appeasement and be impartial in your thoughts and do not spread hatred with such graphic details of isolated cases. Smell a rat, when such writings are published on the eve of voting in Gujarat. Need some sensible journalism.

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    munde Reply:

    The author sounds like a Fanatic and seems blinded by hatred for Gujarat and Gujarati’s

    GUJRATIS ARE MOST HARAMI PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MAHARASHTRIANS IN MUMBAI.SHIVSENA SAVED US.THEY ARE FARTY THIEVES.EVERYONE WANT TO BECOME harshad mehta.

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  • dronacharya

    Milestogo : I cannot afford… and will not forego my claim on “Earth”.

    Historybuff : Hindus are a very evolved race. They know how to survive.

    Kaalchakra : Its not as easy as you think. One man leading – and Aal Izz Well.

    India has 200 MM(20 crore) Muslims. Out of which 97.5% are poor.
    There is no power on earth that can give each one of them a bottle of
    water (600 ML). They are passing thru the “Hudaybiyya” Stage of
    evolution. A compromise is necessary. My culture is completely Hindu.
    Language. Food. Dress. I enjoy Dhrupad Music (Temple singing). And i
    have the Islamic Faith (Advaita/One God.. Eko Jagadeeshwar – Eko
    Jagatguru). The two are complementary. There is NO contradiction.

    Hindus are not willing to give the job of a PEON to a Muslim. That
    would be “appeasement”. So what do they offer ? Migration or Death.
    One muslim dead is one muslim less ! (They will steal his kidney first –
    before killing him.. even dead-bodies can fetch money, you know…
    Skeletons sell well). Muslims in India will have to (and luckily are)
    adjust to changing times.

    First : We have to (and we have) give up urdu/arabic/persian
    completely for the next 300 years. THat has to be replaced by
    english/french/chinese mandarin..

    Second : Shaayri (urdu/arabic/persian) must be suspended for the next
    300 years. That has to be replaced by Physics/Math/Sciences.

    Third : Music and Dance must be accepted as + points. The taboo from
    liberal arts must be removed. Man needs aesthetics too. So we delve
    deep into the ocean and dance… flowers… rivers… rain… nature worship ?
    No. In nature we see Allah.. and remember him. We dont worship the
    rain. We see it as His manifestation of Grace !

    Fourth : Education. GOI has no money (and no will) to spend one
    single rupee on muslim welfare. Then what ? Solution is : Home
    Schools. A network is needed… wherein we DUB the whole KG-XIIth CBSE
    Sylabbus in Urdu.. and that resource material (it would take atleast Rs.
    200 crores to do this project) should be available for free.

    Muslims do not have money to feed themselves.. who will pay for the
    internet connectivity.. who will buy them the Tablet ? There is no free
    lunch in this world. I think some creative Financial Solutions are
    needed in this regard.

    Muslims need not burden themselves with a single rupee. They need
    not give a single rupee out of their wallet. A change of mind is
    needed. THey need to improve their AQLAAQ. Respect people. Speak
    mildly. Fight arrogance and pride. And there must be MUTUAL SYNERGY
    amongst muslims.

    If you have lots of clothes and want to get rid., wash your clothes,
    iron them., put them in a plastic bag., and give it to the needy
    muslims. Same for books. Shoes. Bags. Linen. Bedspreads. even
    Furniture and appliances. Speak gently.. LOVE EACH OTHER.

    IF INDIAN MUSLIMS LOVE EACH OTHER – EVEN WITHOUT GOVT. SUPPORT – THEY CAN SURVIVE., AND EVEN THRIVE.

    INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE 20% OF POPULATION. IF they achieve synergy..
    they can survive. We need 100,000 Muslim C.A.s. We need Muslim
    Startups. Musilm start-ups must employ poor muslims. Those poor muslims
    (labour) must work sincerely and not stab their Master.
    Pyaar-Mohobbat-Khuloos- Mutual dukh sukh.. a certain BOND.. needs to be
    strengthened.

    MUSLIMS MUST DO ON A WAR FOOTING : C.A., MBA., START UPS., SCIENCE AND MATH.

    This is the agenda for the next 300 yrs. Any other issue(s) may be
    discussed after such time. Whats the hurry. Lets try this for the
    first 300 yrs… and see the outcome.
    Au revoir

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  • satyender

    1000 plus communal riots and demolition of babri mosque is enough to show the real face of high caste hindus in india.

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  • satyender

    Jinnah believed in the equality of man regardless of religion or race etc.

    Mahatma Gandhi it must be remembered said that he was a Hindu first and
    therefore a true Indian and also that Black people were lesser human beings than
    other people.
    that is why commun politics never succeeded in pakistan.

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  • rao

    This is absurd when Muslims do something(train burning) it is by unidentified

    any proof .fire started from inside.there was no muslim inside.who loked the door and why.

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    bharat shah Reply:

    though more to Muslims because it started by them burning people.Hindus
    accept they did mistake but no Muslim regrets Train Burning which shows
    how much tolerance guys have towards people of other Religion.

    bullshit.bogey was put on fire by gundaas o rss and vhp to provide reaso for riot which was preplanned.these antinational gundaas were perpetuating riots since 1969.every riot was dividing society and strenghting bjp/rss vote bank.

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    Someone Reply:

    If you have proof go to court and prove it there that it was done by RSS. Shouting here with no proof wont help.

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    THE AUTHOR REMINDED ME OF AUSCHWITZ,THE MOST NOTORIOUS CONCENTRATION CAMP DURING 2ND WOLD WAR.HE TALKS OF GULBARGA SOCIETY ASET OF FEW APARTMENTS AS SYMBOL COMPAREABLE WITH AUSCH WITZ.
    IF WE CAN COMPARE ATROCITIES COMMITTED ON THREE DAYS ,CONTINUOUSLY ,WITH WORST KIND OF LYNCHING WITNESSED AFTER 2ND WORLD WAR AT THE INSTIGATION OF RULERS ,IT WAS IN DELHI DURING 1984.THE NOOF PERSONS SLAUGHTERED WERE 5000.THE BURNING TYRES AROUND NECK WAS COMMON SIGHT.THE BEAUTY OF GREAT CONGRESS PARTY IS IT DIDNOT ALLOW ANYONE TO BE PUNISHED.
    THE ARMY HIGH COMMAND WAS AT A SHOUTING DISTANCE BUT,’JAB BARA PED HILTA HAI TO DHARTI KANPTI HAI…’THE EARTH SHOOK AND TOOK UNLIMITED CORPSES WITHIT.THE PEOPLE WERE NOT MEEK BUT OUR MARTIAL RACE MR HAQ.WE ARE PROUD OF THEM .
    CAN WE CALL DELHI A BIG AUSCHWITZ DEAR JIA HAQ.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kashi2222 Kashi Kashi

    you have got infantile immaturity, what i have stated that no single person can instigate entire community against another community, both Muslims and Hindus should sit together and try to understand what are the causes of riots between them, Muslims in particular better discuss with Hindus than depending on opinion of person like you who think modi is root cause of all the riots in our country

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Maybe that’s what you _meant_ to say but not what you did manage to say.

    How did you manage to conclude that I’m holding Modi responsible for all riots in India?

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    Kashi Kashi Reply:

    small kid can do that

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    Guest Reply:

    And that’s the only level on which you operate.

    devil_wheels Reply:

    As fairly usual you have missed the point. The question was not about who but about how.

    Ciao.

  • Abhi

    Zia thinks that by telling lies again and again, they take a semblance of truth. Auschwitz
    wqs what happened to Hindus in Pakistan in 1947. If Zia wants conciliation, let him write about HIndus in Kashmir, who are living in refugee camps after 23 years in their own country. Or, is that also a “Muslim land”, MR. Zia?

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  • dinesh sharma

    Whether Mr. Modi is the opium for Gujarat’s masses or not, however, I am quite sure, after going through the length and breadth of the history and in the present day context, all the Dharmas prevailing in this world are like nasha of Opium. Amongst all of them, Muslims have always been ahead and in forefront in taking that Opium deeply and in greatest quantity.
    Suffice it to say that the atrocities whether they were committed on others by them in the name of Islam or by the followers of other faiths on Muslims, the root-cause behind all the bloodshed, in all cases and in any view of the matter, is only and only the Muslims, who are solely responsible for their ill-fate. They do not believe in co-existence and their demands are endless, which can never be met and fulfilled.
    It is because of their adamant and aggressive attitude towards other faiths, everywhere in the world, as we saw in Kashmir, Pakistan, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and so on, they are indulged in raising high the flag of Islam, without going into the fact at what cost and by what means, they are doing so, to achieve their goal. Their ideas and dreams cannot be met and fulfilled because this world is a place where peace cannot be prevailed for ever, even on their demand, the whole world is converted into an Islamic state and all human race become the follower and adopt Islamic faith, for which they are striving against for centuries.
    As far as Hindus are concerned, by nature and by heart, they are peaceful at heart and have always embraced the others with open heart and mind.
    Muslims should give a serious thought and ponder over the causes that why they have become a non-acceptable entity, having all the attributes which are found in other sects and what distinct and separate them from others.

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  • lk

    quran forbids cysnicism is classical statement of taqqiya strategy used in quran to invite victimization status. the author must remember india-hidustan from indus rive to indonesia was and is part of vedic civilisation – a new civilisation from arabic desert imposed to natives by force and claiming victim status wont work in the age of modernity, feminism and nationalism. The faithful of muslims can live in peace in darul islam of saudiarabia if they think grandiose that they arent part of vedic civilisation and they are sent by god and non muslims are not.

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  • lk

    “Quran forbids cynicism” is classical statement of taqqiya strategy used
    in Quran to invite victimization status. the author must remember India-Hindustan from Indus river to Indonesia was and/ is / and going to be part of Vedic Civilisation – a new Civilisation from Arabic desert imposed to natives
    by force and claiming victim status wont work in the age of modernity,
    feminism and nationalism. The fundamentals of islam are on shaky grounds. The faithful of muslims can live in peace in
    darul islam of saudiarabia if they think grandiose that they arent part
    of vedic civilisation and they are sent by god and non muslims are not.

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  • lk

    everyone reading this article – should also read this and take decision unbiased
    http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/MeherApostacy.htm

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  • dronacharya

    Gandhi remained the same. From South Africa to Delhi 1948. But he became
    sophisticated. “One great use of words is to hide one’s thoughts” said Voltaire.
    So, Gandhi said something and DID exactly the opposite.

    Vijaye Raje Scindia (Financier of RSS for decades) rightly said : “He was an
    old hypocrite”. An honest confession is : Gandhi was NOT a honest person. He was
    dis-honest to the core ! He said, “India would be partitioned over my
    dead-body”…. and then took a 180 degree turn !

    True leaders do not change their hats, that easily ! India is (was) a land of
    fools, as Jus. Markandey Katju rightly said… and Indians are fooled easily.. As
    late as 1992.. Advani was successful in fooling the HIndus over Ram Temple.. and
    “hatred for the other”. And if Muslims express anger : they are dubbed
    terrorists… Provoke and Attack…. THAT is the RSS strategy.. until they are so
    subdued., that if killed., they dont cry. If raped, they dont complaint. They
    accept it as their FATE.. KARMA.

    RSS wishes to break the WILL of Muslim psyche, thru-out India. They have
    succeeded in that endeavor in Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh. The cowards do not go
    on world-conquests. Like a wife-beater, they want to crush Indian Muslims within
    Indian borders..

    Sadism in the name of symbolism/religion : That is RSS

    By the by, Gandhi loved RSS. Keshav Baliram Hegdewar (Daktar Saheb) was a
    member of the Congress ! So was Madan Mohan Malaviya ! Later on., Hegdewar estd.
    RSS. Malviya’s parent organisation was HMS., but he was ALSO the President of
    the Congress ! (A woman has 2 husbands at any given time, waali baat hai.. This
    is surpassing the Pure Devadasi Tradition where a Devadasi has only ONE patron
    at a time !).

    Hegdewar got out of hand. RSS was Gandhi’s Pvt. Army. to be used inisde
    India., just in case of …………………….

    RSS was given the job of Policing Indian streets, during the 1965 war
    w/Pakishtan, in India

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  • Abhi

    “Muslims see an emerging threat from Hindu nationalists”
    When will Zia talk about Hindus seeing an emerging threat from Muslim nationalists, of whom there is no dearth in India?

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  • Abhi

    “Muslims see an emerging threat from Hindu nationalists”
    When will Zia talk about Hindus seeing an emerging threat from Muslim nationalists, of whom there is no dearth in India?

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  • Abhi

    “What the Babri incident did to us”.
    It is dismaying that “us” for Zia means “us muslims”. One would hope that for a ’secular” blogger, “us” would mean, “us Indians”. If indeed, Zia “belongs” more to muslims than to India, he should perhaps seek for an asylum in Pakistan where he would feel more “at home” with all the “us muslims”.

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  • momn doter

    To those muslim idiots cursing other religion, shut up and stop your madrsa teachings.

    I am not a fan of history. Every religion tried to impose its ideas and
    culture on other, and before 1950 in absence of a government of people, it was just about strong ruling poor.
    After 1950 or say world war-II, control of power shifted from autocracy to democracy. This is the period when Christian, Buddhist majority states like germany and china developed whilst India a Hindu state struggled to keep its muslim population calm.
    Also there is no country in world where muslims live in peace with other religion, all they ask for is tolerance from majority, and in return they only contribute in sperms, they always have highest birth rate than that country’s other religions.

    This is the period when RSS, VHP and shiv sena grew. So I dont know – what the Babri incident did to “us”, but what Babri incident did to us Indians is convey a strong message to muslim community to calm down, an start living peacefully like other minority religions. India is the most diverse state that you can find and if you can’t live in harmony in here, then there is definitely something wrong with Islam.

    Also ain’t it surprising that only after this period we started growing economically and socially. And to those blaming Modi should not forget Godra train fire. Us hindus are not known for killing our own kind (atleast after mughal period) – any guesses which religion kills its own people.

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  • Indian

    A Killer will remain a Killer. No matter what happens. The gujrat Riots starting from the burning of train in Godhra are a Planned n Well Executed Events, n of course Modi has Played a vitol role in it. as far as modi is concerned da whole world will see how painfully he is going to Die.

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  • Gul gula

    love is in kumbh mela sadhu and sadhvi ******* naked bhojan Aur chodan hahahahaa

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  • Avi

    Godhra riots were triggered by the train burning. 59 people charred to death is a sufficient trigger to instigate retaliatory violence. In fact people should thank Modi for controlling the violence in which 700 Muslims and 350 Hindus died. If Modi would have been actually after the minority, the death toll would have been much much higher.

    Godhara has had a history of communal violence not just under Modi but since before independence. Even Muslim League used to take advantage of illiterate Muslims of Godhara. Mahatma Gandhi had himself tried to control those communal riots. The Godhara train burning in 2002 was a planned attack (probably planned by foreign forces or so called secular forces in India). The train from Ayodhya stopped at Godhara station for 2 mins and moved. It was forcibly stopped 3 mins from the station. There were thousands of people on both sides of the track with petrol cans and weapons. If the attack was not planned how did so many people gather within 3 mins? The karsevaks pleas to let them be were not heard and bogies were ruthlessly burned after the gates were locked. 59 people were charred inside including women and children.

    Our so called secular media that shows Godhara riots pictures never shows the pictures of the burnt train and charred dead bodies.

    I am not saying that any kind of violence is justified. My only point is we should try to gain one sided sympathy by showing a one sided view.

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  • Avi

    Godhra riots were triggered by the train burning. 59 people charred to death is a sufficient trigger to instigate retaliatory violence. In fact people should thank Modi for controlling the violence in which 700 Muslims and 350 Hindus died. If Modi would have been actually after the minority, the death toll would have been much much higher.

    Godhara has had a history of communal violence not just under Modi but since before independence. Even Muslim League used to take advantage of illiterate Muslims of Godhara. Mahatma Gandhi had himself tried to control those communal riots. The Godhara train burning in 2002 was a planned attack (probably planned by foreign forces or so called secular forces in India). The train from Ayodhya stopped at Godhara station for 2 mins and moved. It was forcibly stopped 3 mins from the station. There were thousands of people on both sides of the track with petrol cans and weapons. If the attack was not planned how did so many people gather within 3 mins? The karsevaks pleas to let them be were not heard and bogies were ruthlessly burned after the gates were locked. 59 people were charred inside including women and children.

    Our so called secular media that shows Godhara riots pictures never shows the pictures of the burnt train and charred dead bodies.

    I am not saying that any kind of violence is justified. My only point is we should try to gain one sided sympathy by showing a one sided view.

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