The game of the name



Some years ago, a friend from the UK needed to go to Dadar, the heart of the Maharashtrian locality of Bombay, for a meeting. I put her in a taxi and asked the cabbie to take her wherever she wanted and also bring her back home.

She was back in just over an hour, past her appointment time and very harried. “No one had any idea where this place was. We drove round in circles asking hundreds of people but no on could direct me to the place.”

“How can that be?” I asked. “That’s such a famous locality here. No one can simply not know!”

But as I probed further, I turned out, she had been looking for ‘Dud-aar’ and pronouncing it with such a, well, pronounced accent that no body could connect it to ‘Dadar’.

“Its not ‘Dudaar’, its ‘Daadur’ and you should go light on the Ds. No wonder nobody could recognise that name,” I laughed.

I wonder how people like her would fare if, at all, the name of Dadar is changed to ‘Chaitya Bhoomi’, as Dalit leader Ramdas Athawale, who recently joined hands with the Shiv Sena, has demanded. Chaitya Bhoomi is just a little off Dadar railway station, close to the sea where thousands of Dalits congregate on Dr B R Ambedkar’s death anniversary each year.

Of course, the demand comes ahead of the corporation elections in the metropolis and, considering that the Shiv Sena already rules the BMC, it should not be too difficult to accomplish.

But now another dimension to this competitive politics has been added by the demand of Bombay Congress president Kripa Shankar Singh to name ‘Dadar’ as ‘Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar Nagar’. To which Athawale has retorted that that name will do very well for Bombay Central station, which according to Singh is already known as ‘Mumbai’ Central and so needs no further Indianisation! As thought ‘Dadar’ was in anyway a British flavour!

I must admit I am rather sick and tired of this game of the name. In a state where everything is named after either Maratha warrior king Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj (museums, railway termini, airports, gardens et al) or Dr Ambedkar (airports again, roads, libraries et al) I wonder why they need more. After all, there are other eminent personalities like Bal Krishna Gokhale, Lokmanya Tilak (he has only one railway station named after him), Dadabhai Naoroji (only one road, though he kick started India’s freedom struggle, unrecognisable as such, in the early days); closer to our times there is former Prime Minister Morarji Desai who belonged more to Bombay than he did to Gujarat; Madame Cama, who tore up her saree at a freedom fighters’ meeting in 1907 to make a flag that would provide the template of what eventually emerged as our tiranga – I could go on and on. None of these people are relics of the British era, they are as Indian as they come.

Though much of the name change has been effected by the Shiv Sena, I notice that while ‘Bombay’ is referred to as ‘Mumbai’ by Bal Thackeray, he himself is loathe to change his own name from ‘Thackeray’, a remnant of a colonial hangover, to the more Indianised ‘Thakre’.

Of course, Thackeray inherited the name from his father who was so inspired by William Makepeace Thackeray’s ‘Vanity Fair’, that he promptly changed the spelling of his name to match that of the British writer. Imitation being the best form of flattery, of course.

Then, again, Thackeray has for years wanted to change the name of Aurangabad, a city founded by the Moghul emperor, to ‘Sambhajinagar’ after Shivaji’s son who was brutally murdered by Aurangzeb but the religious dimension to it has made it impossible for him to do so – the courts forbade it.

Still, I do not think Thackeray has appreciated very much the bid to rename Dadar as ‘Chaitya Bhoomi’ or even ‘Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar Nagar’. Even he knows that these demands are a flash in the pan and will last only until the municipal elections. Had they really wanted to rename these places, both the Sena-BJP and the Congress-Nationalist Congress could have moved on it long ago.

Now, with even the NCP joining the bandwagon, I wonder how far these political parties will carry their cynicism. I would rathee they let our landmarks be – even today Bombay’s cabbies refer to the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus as ‘VT’ (after the old name, ‘Victoria Terminus’) and no one (me, neither) knows what the new name for Kemps Corner might br, though the name change was effected at least a decade ago.

I do not mean any disrespect to any of the leaders after whom our cynical politicians wish to name various landmarks in the metropolis. But ‘Dadar’ evokes the flavour of thaali peeth and kotmir vadi in a manner no other name would and I would rather future generations take in the full flavour and history associated with these places than fall victims to cynical politics of modern times.

Long live Chaitya Bhoomi. But, so also, long live Dadar!

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Sujata has no problem as long as bridges, road, toilets etc. are named after Rajiv Gandhi and his chamchas.

    Secondly now that Ramdas Athawale is in alliance with Shiv Sena, whatever he says becomes invalid for Sujata but had he stayed with Congress-NCP, same Sujata would have told us history of dadar and Chaityabhoomi and how it is so important for Dalits.

    Our media is an extension of congress Sandesh.

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    nandu Reply:

    you truly have a great logic if some one starts eating shit then everyone must follow truly a great way to follow should be recommended to everybody

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    Surya Mishra Reply:

    Are you saying, Sujata is playing politics even in her ‘game of the Name’?
    …will have no exception, if all the public toilets in the Daadur (or Dadar) region named after ‘Rahul Gandhi’ the latest tycoon of Congress Mogul !!

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  • vsc

    “I must admit I am rather sick and tired of this game of the name. In a state where everything is named after either Maratha warrior king Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj (museums, railway termini, airports, gardens et al) or Dr Ambedkar”

    To understand why that is the case, the author should understand what these figures mean to the people and to the country, the reason why most of the country has been able to preserve its culture and religion, including all the south indian temples, is that Shivali Maharaj(he is never referred to by his first name only; simply out of respect to this courage and bravery) and his successors, defended our right to do so and in due course established a secular Maratha empire, stretching from Attock in Afghanistan to thanjavur in the south. Even the holy book of the sikhs, the granth sahib, mention the saints and people of Maharashtra. Like wise, Baba Saheb Ambedkar worked for the upliftment of more than a quarter of our population regarded as untouchables.

    You simply cannot compare these figures with leaders like Nowrojee and Madam Cama. They are all important leaders, but there is a difference in the impact they made to entire populations. Please also do remember that Lokmanya Tilak was the first indian who said “Swarajya (self-rule) is my birthright to the british” and jumpstarted the independence movement, before that the INC just was an intermediary that helped the British rule the Indians. Just so that it is understood better, Aurangzeb killed Sambhaji, in the most brutal manner, because he did not convert, and Sambhaji Maharaj preferred death instead of giving up on his secular ideals.

    Wish that media showed more sensitivity when quoting people of stature as Shivaji Maharaj and Sambhaji Maharaj. Go to Gujarat and you will find, Sardar Patel everywhere, again for the reason for the impact he had on Gujarat and India. It might also behoove the media to refer to the dalit community instead of just dalits….which is quite derisive.

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  • Sonali

    Sujata,
    It’s not Bal Krishna Gokhale. It’s Gopal Krishna Gokhale, political guru of Mahatma Gandhi
    Just met a trekker, who is back after trekking in Gobi desert. She said in the capital city, everywhere they could see Ghengis Khan – statues, name plates, memorials erected in his name.
    She said it’s like in Maharashtra where everywhere you can find Shivaji, you will find Ghengis Khan in Mongolia.
    Come on people, put two and two together

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  • Manohar_T

    The problem is about not honouring our eminent citizens and icons. It is about acceptance (rather non-acceptance) of these name changes by people at large.

    In 1956, Marine Drive in Bombay was renamed Netaji Subhash Road after Subhash Chandra Bose. Even 55 years it is still called and referred to as Marine Drive. Most of the people do not even know that it is officially Netaji Subhash Road..

    Other examples in Bombay
    1) Colaba Causeway as Saheed Bhagat Singh and Opera House area as Pandit D V Paluskar Chowk .Haven’t met a person referring to them by the great freedom fighter’s name and vocalist respectively.

    2) Victoria Termunus (VT) as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
    To most of the people, it is still VT.

    3) The Airport in Bombay as Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport, the people still say Santa Criuz and Sahar depending upon the terminal to refer.

    4) Various flyovers have been named after national and local icons. All are referred by the location and not by the names they have been ‘honoured’ with.

    5) Napean Sea Road, Warden Road, Pedder Road, Carmichael Road, Carter Road, Turner Road, Hill Road, etc. are still referred by these names and not by the renamed ones.

    One can just go on as there are scores of examples.

    In Delhi it is still Connaught Place or simply CP and not Indira and Rajeev Chowk, and it is stlll Palam not IGIA or whatever..

    The point is the people, the politicians and vested interests, who wish to honour the heroes and icons, do not know anything about common or locational usage of place names

    By people not referring to them (no one can force them to do so) by their new names is in a way insulting the very heroes and icons, we wish to honour.

    By all means we must honour the eminent people of the country, the trick is to name new places and landmarks, and not the existing ones. When will the politicians learn? Never, if you ask me.

    The Congress Party is the biggest culprit – naming every other place/project/landmark after Nehru-Gandhi family. It is about time they stop this vulgar practice.

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    vsc Reply:

    not really, chinese have named peking (a colonial name for their capital) to Beijing…

    likewise in USA they do exactly opposite of the British…to make a point…and make others do that too..

    in India, certain people are still (shamefully) Macaulay’s children….who think they are being sophisticated by calling Mumbai, BOmbay….questioning why the Govt. chooses names of certain leaders and to prove their point call upon the examples of certain extremists…this is called Tautology of NONSENSE….

    sometimes i regret that the cream of intelligentsia in India goes into engineers and medical sciences…maybe some of them should try journalism instead….

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    You have completely missed the point.I was making. It is not about renaming places, it is about common usage of place names by the common people.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I’d like Sujata to comment on this-

    Living Beings

    - Farmers: Rajiv Gandhi Grameen Vidyutikaran Yojana
    - Children: Rajiv Gandhi National Crèche Scheme for the Children of Working Mothers
    - Unemployed: Rajiv Gandhi Shramik KalyanYojna
    - Artists: Rajiv Gandhi Shilpi Swasthya Bima Yojana
    - Slum Dwellers: Rajiv Ratna Awas Yojna
    - Students: Rajiv Gandhi Prathamik Shiksha Mission, Raigarh
    - Handicapped: Rajiv Gandhi Home for Handicapped, Pondicherry
    - All Humanity: Rajiv Gandhi Manav Seva Award
    - Animals: Rajiv Gandhi (Nagarhole) Wildlife Sanctuary, Karnataka
    Rajiv Gandhi Wildlife Sanctuary, Andhra Pradesh
    Rajiv Gandhi Wildlife Conservation Award

    Food and Water

    - Food Security: Rajiv Gandhi Mission on Food Security , Madhya Pradesh
    Rajiv Gandhi Food Security Mission for Tribal Areas, MP
    - Breakfast: Rajiv Gandhi Breakfast Scheme, Pondicherry
    - Drinking Water: Rajiv Gandhi National Drinking Water Mission
    - Ground Water: Rajiv Gandhi National Ground Water Training & Research Institute, Faridabad, Haryana
    - Tsunami: Rajiv Gandhi Rehabilitation Package for Tsunami Affected Areas

    Mega-Structures

    - Airport: Rajiv Gandhi International Airport , New Hyderabad , A.P.
    - Container Terminal: Rajiv Gandhi Container Terminal, Cochin
    - Commercial Centre: Rajiv Chowk, New Delhi

    - Stadiums: Rajiv Gandhi Sports Stadium, Bawana
    Rajiv Gandhi National Football Academy, Haryana
    Rajiv Gandhi AC Stadium, Vishakhapatnam
    Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Pondicherry
    Rajiv Gandhi Stadium, Nahariagun, Itanagar
    Rajiv Gandhi Badminton Indoor Stadium, Cochin
    Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Kadavanthra, Ernak
    Rajiv Gandhi Sports Complex , Singhu
    Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Sports Complex, Guwahati
    Rajiv Gandhi International Stadium, Hyderabad
    Rajiv Gandhi Indoor Stadium, Cochin

    Medical/Reasearch Institutions

    - AIDS: Rajiv Gandhi Mobile Aids Counselling and Testing Services, Rajiv
    Gandhi Foundation
    - Cancer: Rajiv Gandhi Cancer Institute & Research Centre, Delhi
    - Chest Diseases; Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Chest Diseases, Bangalore, Karnataka
    - Tooth Ache; Shri Rajiv Gandhi college of Dental Science & Hospital, Bangalore, Karnataka

    Sports

    - Kabaddi: Rajiv Gandhi Gold Cup Kabaddi Tournament
    Rajiv Gandhi Kabbadi Meet

    - Boxing: Rajiv Gandhi Federation Cup boxing championship
    - Football: Rajiv Gandhi International tournament
    Rajiv Gandhi Gold Cup (U-21)
    Rajiv Gandhi Trophy
    Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Jhopadpatti Football Tournament, Rajura
    Rajiv Gandhi International Invitation Gold Cup Football Tournament, Jamshedpur
    - Boat Race: Rajiv Gandhi Boat Race, Kerala
    - Gymnastics: Rajiv Gandhi International Artistic Gymnastic Tournament
    - Roller Skating: Rajiv Gandhi Memorial Roller Skating Championship
    - Judo: Rajiv Gandhi International Judo Championship, Chandigarh
    - Cricket: Rajiv Gandhi Rural Cricket Tournament, Initiated by Rahul Gandhi in Amethi
    - Basketball: All Indira Rajiv Gandhi Basketball (Girls) Tournament, Delhi
    - Wrestling: All India Rajiv Gandhi Wrestling Gold Cup, Delhi

    Education

    - Management: Rajiv Gandhi Indian Institute of Management, Shilong
    - Aeronautics: Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Aeronautics, Ranchi, Jharkhand
    - Engineering: Rajiv Gandhi Technical University, Gandhi Nagar, Bhopal, M.P.
    Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Technology, Kottayam,Kerala
    Rajiv Gandhi College of Engineering Research & Technology, Chandrapur, Maharashtra
    - Law: Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law, Kharagpur, Kolkata
    Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law, Patiala, Punjab
    - Aviation: Rajiv Gandhi Aviation Academy, Secundrabad
    Rajiv Gandhi Aviation Academy, Begumpet, Hyderabad,

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    vsc Reply:

    man…this is amazing ….kudos ……

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    Saarthak Reply:

    She certainly has no problems with this name

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am waiting for the day when Contraceptives will be named after fake Gandhi.
    -Rajiv Gandhi Durex ultra thin condom
    -Sonia Gandhi Mala D
    -Rahul Gandhi Copper T
    -Priyanka Gandhi vaginal ring

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Satish-Chandra/100000030432561 Satish Chandra

    India’s nuclear forces say that India has been furiously stockpiling weapons grade material for over ten years.

    Stockpile or no stockpile, why hasn’t the nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington & New York (see below) been carried out yet? All it needs is six to seven warheads of about twenty kilotons each — one for the RAW headquarters area and one for the North & South Blocks area in New Delhi, one for New York, one for Washington — these four warheads to be exploded simultaneously — and two to three warheads emplaced in two to three additional U. S. cities with the warning that two to three additional U.S. cities will be destroyed if there is any retaliation. The only way the United States will be able to keep two to three additional U.S. cities (or more if nuclear warheads have already been emplaced in more than two to three additional U.S. cities) from being destroyed is by doing nothing in return. After this, India can do all the testing and stockpiling it wants for the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States five years later. It is the exploding of the above four nuclear warheads, with two to three additional warheads emplaced in two to three additional U.S. cities, which will make India the supreme power in the world immediately.

    Satish Chandra

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    ” Lokpal cannot look into PM’s work relating to international relations, external and internal security, maintenance of public order, atomic energy and space”. So the Lokpal cannot do anything about CIA rule over India, illustrated by the following:-

    I) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    When I say the new Chief of Air Staff, N. A. K. Browne, is a CIA-RAW man, I mean he literally sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in crimes against India. More than a thousand Indian Air Force aircraft have crashed since 1970, the vast majority of the crashes caused by microwaves from U. S. satellites which can hack into and operate any digital equipment. In his first week in office as Chief of Air Staff, Browne caused two Indian Air Force fighter planes to crash with microwaves from satellites, to give a boost to his bid to buy worse than worthless foreign aircraft for several tens of billions of dollars of which he will get a hefty cut along with the Defence Minister and the Italian woman who gets the largest cut. The Sukhoi crash on Dec. 13 ‘11 and the grounding of the Sukhoi fleet has been caused 2 days ahead of the purchase decision as the purchase was made impossible by my opposition to it. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom .

    II) INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, ATOMIC ENERGY & EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom: “India’s government lends hundreds of billions of dollars to the U. S. government in exchange for worthless U. S. paper but seeks foreign investment and World Bank loans for projects in India, giving ownership and control of India to India’s enemies, despite the unlimited capital available to India by simply printing the money; see ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog; as is described there, the United States has been applying my proposal about money by stealth and now also openly but Manmohan Singh refuses to do so because this bugger — a CIA appointee — does what serves the United States’, not India’s, interests.” Manmohan Singh told George W. Bush, with whom he castrated India, through the nuclear deal, both militarily and economically (see my blog), that Indians “deeply love” him.

    III) INTERNAL SECURITY:
    When Atal Behari Vajpayee was prime minister, he had once gone to Bombay and spoken to the stock exchange about applying my proposal about money to India’s economy, after which he had to abort his flight back to Delhi for fear his plane will crash. The murders of several politicians by air crash have been committed by CIA-RAW. A recent example was the murder of the Andhra Pradesh chief minister by air crash. In my blog (‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’ which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title) I have described how Indira Gandhi when prime minister in 1980 went to her kitchen with the then U. S. Vice President and former CIA Director, George Herbert Walker Bush, to arrange for the murder by air crash of her son Sanjay Gandhi who had taken to slapping her in the presence of others under my influence and the then CIA Director, Frank Carlucci, publicly claimed credit for that air crash via a letter that appeared in National Review. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom .

    IV) ATOMIC ENERGY:
    Former Atomic Energy head, P. K. Iyengar, who pioneered Cold Fusion research in India, died on December 21 ‘11.

    In my second addendum dated March 15, 2006 in my blog titled ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title, I said:-

    “RAW suppresses, in service of the Americans, research of various kinds such as energy sources that go beyond conventional nuclear power. An M.I.T. scientist, Eugene Mallove, on an American radio program, ‘Coast to Coast’, described how Indian scientists at the Bhabha Atomic Research Center were “going crazy” with their research and results on cold fusion–which generates energy in table top experiments with simple apparatus– but when vested interests (hot fusion, which gets multiple billions of dollars per year in funding, feels threatened, among others) in the United States had a U.S. government body declare cold fusion invalid (on ludicrous grounds such as that, under the laws of Physics, such a thing cannot occur; under such logic, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity would have been ruled invalid because it violated Newton’s Laws; within the past week, there have been reports in the New York Times about an Indian scientist in the U.S. struggling against his successful cold fusion research being declared invalid and shut down), RAW, which functions as a branch of the C.I.A., “killed it” (the research on cold fusion at BARC) [because "T H E G R E A T U N I T E D S T A T E S" (he said this in a mocking tone mimicking the Indians' reverential, awed and obedient attitude to the U.S.) says there is nothing to it]. The C.I.A. knew I was listening to this broadcast and this M.I.T. scientist, who could have been a source of support (he had criticized Einstein; I have written about Einstein stealing most of his ideas from others) was brutally murdered shortly after that broadcast. I have said before that other American and Indian scientists who have known me or could have been sources of support have died sudden, premature deaths. Among numerous new sources of energy are research results and serious proposals to get energy from empty space, that is, vacuum (before you look askance at this, know that, under modern theories of Cosmology, a branch of Physics, the entire universe has arisen out of absolutely nothing). //

    During World War II, the Germans made large scale conversion of coal into motor fuel. With petroleum prices where they are now, this old technology is highly economical and viable. But anything that lessens the United states’ control over India is suppressed by RAW. ”

    Iyengar opposed the nuclear deal. In “Objections to the Nuclear Deal” in my blog above, I have pointed to the availability of unlimited amounts of Uranium from sea water for which India had already developed the technology years ago but that has been suppressed and continues to be suppressed for the same reason; see addendum dated March 27, 2008 in my blog.

    For an instance of suppression of India’s and the world’s greatest scientist, see ‘B. F. Skinner’s Plagiarism’ and press release dated April 26, 2011 in my blog.

    V) INTERNAL & EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    “India’s greatest scientist and greatest living Indian publicly tortured in Harvard seminar, systematically and totally starved for up to 3 weeks at a time, made semi-starved and homeless and even blind for years, kept under 24-hour audio and video surveillance as well as surveillance of [and interference with] communications and electrical typewriter and computer use, document creation and photocopying, etc., by satellite for more than past 3 decades, systematically harassed and in poverty and neutralised and robbed of his work at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars per year, robbed of crores in his money and property in India by C.I.A.-RAW, forced back into exile in the U.S., all with full cooperation and participation of India’s RAW and India’s C.I.A.-RAW-controlled prime ministers, politicians and media” and how this means the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and then the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States.”

    VI) SPACE:
    On November 22, 2009 I said (see my blog):

    “The ’space initiative’ is meant to take control of India in another strategic area — as the nuclear deal was meant to take control of India’s nuclear program. There are multifarious prongs the U.S. is pursuing to enslave India.

    One of the worst of these is bringing American universities to India (see what I have said above [in my blog] about American universities). Kapil Sibal [who sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in the crimes described in V) above] will be publicly tortured in a stadium full of people, disemboweled and dragged around by his intestines around his neck before he is skinned alive and fed to dogs for this and other crimes, along with Manmohan Singh, of course.”

    Lokpal cannot do that.

    VII) PUBLIC ORDER:
    On November 20, 2009 I wrote (see my blog): “While RAW has always been a branch of the C.I.A., the Tamil traitor-enemy Chidambaram has made other Indian intelligence agencies branches of the United States intelligence agencies, bringing in U.S. equipment to India to enable comprehensive real-time monitoring and interception ability for the U.S. of all communications in India, a comprehensive and total censorship power to the United States of not only what gets into the Indian media of all kinds [for example, CIA-RAW can block, partially block, alter or remove communications -- not just comments -- to news media at will and in real time and does it all the time; it can and does also alter the content of web pages, for example, published news reports] but even communications between individuals, bringing India into a colonial grip of and slavery to the United States such as has never been seen in human history. None of this will be allowed, no nuclear deal in any form, no IAEA inspections of any kind of anything in India, no guards of honour, no state dinners, no representing India for C.I.A.-RAW operatives.”

    Lokpal cannot do this.

    VIII) PUBLIC ORDER:
    A MAGICAL SOLUTION TO POVERTY: In my article titled “A Magical Solution to Disaster Relief” I gave the formula: the government should invite any and all individuals and organizations including companies to “Find a need and fill it and be reimbursed at double your cost” — in normal times a 50% profit may be enough incentive — to provide food, shelter. clothing and services to the public and be reimbursed at 50% over their cost; the only condition should be that the goods and services they provide must be ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION and not taken from existing supplies. The beneficiaries can also be employed for the production. The government has an unlimited amount of money simply by printing it so long as it is used for PRODUCTION; see my article ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog. The above applies to ALL goods and services to fill ALL societal needs.

    Lokpal cannot do that.

    IX) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    In a press release dated June 30, 2011 titled “National Security Doctrine” (see my blog) I said:

    “An ugly white woman columnist at the New York Times wrote that she looks forward to having her columns written by “external cognitive servants” in Bangalore. The Manmohan Singh cabinet a few days ago approved a plan for bringing foreign investment and technology to create one hundred million manufacturing jobs in India, bringing essentially the entire population of India into servitude to the United States. A nation is not strong whose people are servants of an external power. The National Security Doctrine permits Indians to be neither cognitive servants nor manufacturing servants of the United States. ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog above provides the means for true prosperity and full employment for Indians.”

    Lokpal cannot do that.

    X) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    Indians as a rule are inferior Indian nig gers unfit to talk about strategic matters, especially if it involves the White Master in any way, which it always does. That is why in his ‘Mein Kampf’ Adolf Hitler said “As for India, I would rather see India under the British than under any one else”. It is not just that a handful of the British from half way around the world ruled India for centuries; a lot of other people from various countries did that for a thousand years before that. // A modern day Babar will start each day by killing a million Indians before breakfast every morning, though some think three million will be better (this number can be herded into fairly small extermination circles and then a neutron bomb exploded over them). // I am an Indian, but as far above the other Indians as they may be above cockroaches. See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom . //

    Lokpal cannot do anything about this.

    XI) PUBLIC ORDER:
    India can abolish poverty and be the supreme power in the world immediately; see AMagicalSolutionToPovertyDOTblogspotDOTcom and my blog ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’. The United States has been applying my proposal about money, above, by stealth and now also openly. An obstacle to its implementation in India is the fear that it will make the lower castes — who form the bulk of India’s population — prosperous and that will lead to an increasing incidence of inter-caste marriages and, since the lower castes are intellectually and morally inferior, to the deterioration and death of society. A ban on inter-caste marriages will take care of this fear and enable my proposal about money to be implemented. The caste-corruption of society and other kinds of corruption go together. There is no need for a Lokpal, just an end to caste-corruption of society. Since the bulk of India’s population is low caste, democracy necessarily means rule by the intellectually and morally inferior. Hence democracy must end.

    Lokpal cannot do this.

    In my blog, ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title, there are many more examples of CIA rule over India, which keeps India poor, weak and enslaved, about which Lokpal cannot do anything but Satish Chandra can and abolish poverty & make India the supreme power in the world immediately.

    The content above was posted as a comment on Joginder Singh’s column in The Pioneer on December 25, 2011 but was immediately removed by RAW because Joginder Singh is a former head of CBI. You cannot have an independent CBI with or without Lokpal because in India EVERYBODY — including Lokpal advocates and any future Lokpal, not just Parliament, the Executive, the Judiciary, the media, NGOs, etc. — is under RAW which is a branch of the CIA; see ‘What You Should Know About RAW’ at WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom . As I have shown in my blog, the Lokpal movement was sponsored by CIA-RAW to divert attention from India’s War of Independence; see JoinIndiaWarOfIndependenceDOTblospotDOTcom .

    I had asked the Indian Army to arrest the top one thousand or so officers of RAW. It has not done so. But, as I have said, India’s nuclear forces obey Satish Chandra. He does not need India’s conventional forces or the rest of the government and citizenry to defend India which requires the destruction of RAW which will be done by nuclear means, that is, the simultaneous nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York, with a warning that additional U. S. cities will be destroyed, with nuclear warheads already emplaced in them by special forces, if there is any retaliation.

    There has been a lot of media coverage of the Kolkata hospital fire that killed about 93 people and of the responsibility for it. How much coverage is there of the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and of the responsibility for it? Those responsible for the latter — CIA & RAW — are still removing my posted comments in the press that might warn people and avoid the deaths of millions. The responsibility for these deaths is the media’s.

    As I have said in my blog, killing a few million Indians in the nuclear destruction of New Delhi/ Delhi is nothing more than killing cockroaches. It will not make even a dent in India’s economic or military strength. On the other hand, it will open the flood gates to both economic prosperity for India and its nuclear supremacy over the United States and enable India to eliminate its number one enemy.

    Satish Chandra
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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Satish-Chandra/100000030432561 Satish Chandra

    India’s nuclear forces say that India has been furiously stockpiling weapons grade material for over ten years.

    Stockpile or no stockpile, why hasn’t the nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington & New York (see below) been carried out yet? All it needs is six to seven warheads of about twenty kilotons each — one for the RAW headquarters area and one for the North & South Blocks area in New Delhi, one for New York, one for Washington — these four warheads to be exploded simultaneously — and two to three warheads emplaced in two to three additional U. S. cities with the warning that two to three additional U.S. cities will be destroyed if there is any retaliation. The only way the United States will be able to keep two to three additional U.S. cities (or more if nuclear warheads have already been emplaced in more than two to three additional U.S. cities) from being destroyed is by doing nothing in return. After this, India can do all the testing and stockpiling it wants for the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States five years later. It is the exploding of the above four nuclear warheads, with two to three additional warheads emplaced in two to three additional U.S. cities, which will make India the supreme power in the world immediately.

    Satish Chandra

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    ” Lokpal cannot look into PM’s work relating to international relations, external and internal security, maintenance of public order, atomic energy and space”. So the Lokpal cannot do anything about CIA rule over India, illustrated by the following:-

    I) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    When I say the new Chief of Air Staff, N. A. K. Browne, is a CIA-RAW man, I mean he literally sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in crimes against India. More than a thousand Indian Air Force aircraft have crashed since 1970, the vast majority of the crashes caused by microwaves from U. S. satellites which can hack into and operate any digital equipment. In his first week in office as Chief of Air Staff, Browne caused two Indian Air Force fighter planes to crash with microwaves from satellites, to give a boost to his bid to buy worse than worthless foreign aircraft for several tens of billions of dollars of which he will get a hefty cut along with the Defence Minister and the Italian woman who gets the largest cut. The Sukhoi crash on Dec. 13 ‘11 and the grounding of the Sukhoi fleet has been caused 2 days ahead of the purchase decision as the purchase was made impossible by my opposition to it. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom .

    II) INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, ATOMIC ENERGY & EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom: “India’s government lends hundreds of billions of dollars to the U. S. government in exchange for worthless U. S. paper but seeks foreign investment and World Bank loans for projects in India, giving ownership and control of India to India’s enemies, despite the unlimited capital available to India by simply printing the money; see ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog; as is described there, the United States has been applying my proposal about money by stealth and now also openly but Manmohan Singh refuses to do so because this bugger — a CIA appointee — does what serves the United States’, not India’s, interests.” Manmohan Singh told George W. Bush, with whom he castrated India, through the nuclear deal, both militarily and economically (see my blog), that Indians “deeply love” him.

    III) INTERNAL SECURITY:
    When Atal Behari Vajpayee was prime minister, he had once gone to Bombay and spoken to the stock exchange about applying my proposal about money to India’s economy, after which he had to abort his flight back to Delhi for fear his plane will crash. The murders of several politicians by air crash have been committed by CIA-RAW. A recent example was the murder of the Andhra Pradesh chief minister by air crash. In my blog (‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’ which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title) I have described how Indira Gandhi when prime minister in 1980 went to her kitchen with the then U. S. Vice President and former CIA Director, George Herbert Walker Bush, to arrange for the murder by air crash of her son Sanjay Gandhi who had taken to slapping her in the presence of others under my influence and the then CIA Director, Frank Carlucci, publicly claimed credit for that air crash via a letter that appeared in National Review. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom .

    IV) ATOMIC ENERGY:
    Former Atomic Energy head, P. K. Iyengar, who pioneered Cold Fusion research in India, died on December 21 ‘11.

    In my second addendum dated March 15, 2006 in my blog titled ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title, I said:-

    “RAW suppresses, in service of the Americans, research of various kinds such as energy sources that go beyond conventional nuclear power. An M.I.T. scientist, Eugene Mallove, on an American radio program, ‘Coast to Coast’, described how Indian scientists at the Bhabha Atomic Research Center were “going crazy” with their research and results on cold fusion–which generates energy in table top experiments with simple apparatus– but when vested interests (hot fusion, which gets multiple billions of dollars per year in funding, feels threatened, among others) in the United States had a U.S. government body declare cold fusion invalid (on ludicrous grounds such as that, under the laws of Physics, such a thing cannot occur; under such logic, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity would have been ruled invalid because it violated Newton’s Laws; within the past week, there have been reports in the New York Times about an Indian scientist in the U.S. struggling against his successful cold fusion research being declared invalid and shut down), RAW, which functions as a branch of the C.I.A., “killed it” (the research on cold fusion at BARC) [because "T H E G R E A T U N I T E D S T A T E S" (he said this in a mocking tone mimicking the Indians' reverential, awed and obedient attitude to the U.S.) says there is nothing to it]. The C.I.A. knew I was listening to this broadcast and this M.I.T. scientist, who could have been a source of support (he had criticized Einstein; I have written about Einstein stealing most of his ideas from others) was brutally murdered shortly after that broadcast. I have said before that other American and Indian scientists who have known me or could have been sources of support have died sudden, premature deaths. Among numerous new sources of energy are research results and serious proposals to get energy from empty space, that is, vacuum (before you look askance at this, know that, under modern theories of Cosmology, a branch of Physics, the entire universe has arisen out of absolutely nothing). //

    During World War II, the Germans made large scale conversion of coal into motor fuel. With petroleum prices where they are now, this old technology is highly economical and viable. But anything that lessens the United states’ control over India is suppressed by RAW. ”

    Iyengar opposed the nuclear deal. In “Objections to the Nuclear Deal” in my blog above, I have pointed to the availability of unlimited amounts of Uranium from sea water for which India had already developed the technology years ago but that has been suppressed and continues to be suppressed for the same reason; see addendum dated March 27, 2008 in my blog.

    For an instance of suppression of India’s and the world’s greatest scientist, see ‘B. F. Skinner’s Plagiarism’ and press release dated April 26, 2011 in my blog.

    V) INTERNAL & EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    “India’s greatest scientist and greatest living Indian publicly tortured in Harvard seminar, systematically and totally starved for up to 3 weeks at a time, made semi-starved and homeless and even blind for years, kept under 24-hour audio and video surveillance as well as surveillance of [and interference with] communications and electrical typewriter and computer use, document creation and photocopying, etc., by satellite for more than past 3 decades, systematically harassed and in poverty and neutralised and robbed of his work at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars per year, robbed of crores in his money and property in India by C.I.A.-RAW, forced back into exile in the U.S., all with full cooperation and participation of India’s RAW and India’s C.I.A.-RAW-controlled prime ministers, politicians and media” and how this means the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and then the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States.”

    VI) SPACE:
    On November 22, 2009 I said (see my blog):

    “The ’space initiative’ is meant to take control of India in another strategic area — as the nuclear deal was meant to take control of India’s nuclear program. There are multifarious prongs the U.S. is pursuing to enslave India.

    One of the worst of these is bringing American universities to India (see what I have said above [in my blog] about American universities). Kapil Sibal [who sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in the crimes described in V) above] will be publicly tortured in a stadium full of people, disemboweled and dragged around by his intestines around his neck before he is skinned alive and fed to dogs for this and other crimes, along with Manmohan Singh, of course.”

    Lokpal cannot do that.

    VII) PUBLIC ORDER:
    On November 20, 2009 I wrote (see my blog): “While RAW has always been a branch of the C.I.A., the Tamil traitor-enemy Chidambaram has made other Indian intelligence agencies branches of the United States intelligence agencies, bringing in U.S. equipment to India to enable comprehensive real-time monitoring and interception ability for the U.S. of all communications in India, a comprehensive and total censorship power to the United States of not only what gets into the Indian media of all kinds [for example, CIA-RAW can block, partially block, alter or remove communications -- not just comments -- to news media at will and in real time and does it all the time; it can and does also alter the content of web pages, for example, published news reports] but even communications between individuals, bringing India into a colonial grip of and slavery to the United States such as has never been seen in human history. None of this will be allowed, no nuclear deal in any form, no IAEA inspections of any kind of anything in India, no guards of honour, no state dinners, no representing India for C.I.A.-RAW operatives.”

    Lokpal cannot do this.

    VIII) PUBLIC ORDER:
    A MAGICAL SOLUTION TO POVERTY: In my article titled “A Magical Solution to Disaster Relief” I gave the formula: the government should invite any and all individuals and organizations including companies to “Find a need and fill it and be reimbursed at double your cost” — in normal times a 50% profit may be enough incentive — to provide food, shelter. clothing and services to the public and be reimbursed at 50% over their cost; the only condition should be that the goods and services they provide must be ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION and not taken from existing supplies. The beneficiaries can also be employed for the production. The government has an unlimited amount of money simply by printing it so long as it is used for PRODUCTION; see my article ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog. The above applies to ALL goods and services to fill ALL societal needs.

    Lokpal cannot do that.

    IX) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    In a press release dated June 30, 2011 titled “National Security Doctrine” (see my blog) I said:

    “An ugly white woman columnist at the New York Times wrote that she looks forward to having her columns written by “external cognitive servants” in Bangalore. The Manmohan Singh cabinet a few days ago approved a plan for bringing foreign investment and technology to create one hundred million manufacturing jobs in India, bringing essentially the entire population of India into servitude to the United States. A nation is not strong whose people are servants of an external power. The National Security Doctrine permits Indians to be neither cognitive servants nor manufacturing servants of the United States. ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog above provides the means for true prosperity and full employment for Indians.”

    Lokpal cannot do that.

    X) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
    Indians as a rule are inferior Indian nig gers unfit to talk about strategic matters, especially if it involves the White Master in any way, which it always does. That is why in his ‘Mein Kampf’ Adolf Hitler said “As for India, I would rather see India under the British than under any one else”. It is not just that a handful of the British from half way around the world ruled India for centuries; a lot of other people from various countries did that for a thousand years before that. // A modern day Babar will start each day by killing a million Indians before breakfast every morning, though some think three million will be better (this number can be herded into fairly small extermination circles and then a neutron bomb exploded over them). // I am an Indian, but as far above the other Indians as they may be above cockroaches. See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom . //

    Lokpal cannot do anything about this.

    XI) PUBLIC ORDER:
    India can abolish poverty and be the supreme power in the world immediately; see AMagicalSolutionToPovertyDOTblogspotDOTcom and my blog ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’. The United States has been applying my proposal about money, above, by stealth and now also openly. An obstacle to its implementation in India is the fear that it will make the lower castes — who form the bulk of India’s population — prosperous and that will lead to an increasing incidence of inter-caste marriages and, since the lower castes are intellectually and morally inferior, to the deterioration and death of society. A ban on inter-caste marriages will take care of this fear and enable my proposal about money to be implemented. The caste-corruption of society and other kinds of corruption go together. There is no need for a Lokpal, just an end to caste-corruption of society. Since the bulk of India’s population is low caste, democracy necessarily means rule by the intellectually and morally inferior. Hence democracy must end.

    Lokpal cannot do this.

    In my blog, ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title, there are many more examples of CIA rule over India, which keeps India poor, weak and enslaved, about which Lokpal cannot do anything but Satish Chandra can and abolish poverty & make India the supreme power in the world immediately.

    The content above was posted as a comment on Joginder Singh’s column in The Pioneer on December 25, 2011 but was immediately removed by RAW because Joginder Singh is a former head of CBI. You cannot have an independent CBI with or without Lokpal because in India EVERYBODY — including Lokpal advocates and any future Lokpal, not just Parliament, the Executive, the Judiciary, the media, NGOs, etc. — is under RAW which is a branch of the CIA; see ‘What You Should Know About RAW’ at WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom . As I have shown in my blog, the Lokpal movement was sponsored by CIA-RAW to divert attention from India’s War of Independence; see JoinIndiaWarOfIndependenceDOTblospotDOTcom .

    I had asked the Indian Army to arrest the top one thousand or so officers of RAW. It has not done so. But, as I have said, India’s nuclear forces obey Satish Chandra. He does not need India’s conventional forces or the rest of the government and citizenry to defend India which requires the destruction of RAW which will be done by nuclear means, that is, the simultaneous nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York, with a warning that additional U. S. cities will be destroyed, with nuclear warheads already emplaced in them by special forces, if there is any retaliation.

    There has been a lot of media coverage of the Kolkata hospital fire that killed about 93 people and of the responsibility for it. How much coverage is there of the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and of the responsibility for it? Those responsible for the latter — CIA & RAW — are still removing my posted comments in the press that might warn people and avoid the deaths of millions. The responsibility for these deaths is the media’s.

    As I have said in my blog, killing a few million Indians in the nuclear destruction of New Delhi/ Delhi is nothing more than killing cockroaches. It will not make even a dent in India’s economic or military strength. On the other hand, it will open the flood gates to both economic prosperity for India and its nuclear supremacy over the United States and enable India to eliminate its number one enemy.

    Satish Chandra
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  • Kumars1

    Sudhakar it should be Sonia and her henchmen, including Vir Singhvi, Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai et al. Btw, pls remember this is the same Vir Singhvi of Nira Radia fame.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JRL42KKUAFYBZSO37F3KEBLEDM Shajan

    Can’t understood your argument!! It was BJP who voted against the constitutional status for reasons well known. This would have made the Lokpal stronger. In RS, all regional parties will oppose state lokayukthas for obvious reasons. Govt is in a minortiy in RS. BJP piggy backed on Mamata and scuttled that as well. If at all there is a Lokpal, should that not be uniform to all Indians? Why should we have different aniti-corruption laws for different states? Govt should have graciously withdrawn the bill when it became clear that they would loose the vote.

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    Kumars1 Reply:

    Are you talking about the toothless Lokpal bill of the Congress variety? Sudhakar is right. It was a well orchestrated Congress drama and Hamid Ansari also failed. You may be fooled but I am not. They have been scuttling, obfuscating, foot dragging, bluffing for the last one year, let alone the last 43 years. They are masters at it. Remember USA nuclear deal? What was the midnight raid on Ramdev’s tent about? Why did the lady Rajbala die?

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  • Sandee panand

    Pranab Mukherjee! Read the lines-Wisest and has become more influential.

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  • Anonymous

    Good. You can go on haj with him and the other role model and icon Zakir Naik.

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  • Anonymous

    Perhaps that is why Zia mian calls him a role model and icon.

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  • Mohed

    i think if true democracy comes, secularism and freedom of expression would follow automatically

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  • Zinda Hoon

    “The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us, in the Newsweek in the aftermath of 9/11. It was delusional, he argued, to think that terrorists target America because they are simply insane. ”

    Hate (or rather imagined hate) is a part of the Islamic Theology.

    What is the explanation otherwise for destroying the various deities of Kaaba by Prophet Muahmmed if not his hatred towards the people who wouldn’t want to agree with him and his theories on how the Kaaba was built by Abraham. According to archaeological evidence, even the city of Mecca didn’t exist before 3-4th century AD forget about Mecca existing prior to that. So, Muhammed just imagined it in his mind and wanted others to believe it as well and flew into a stubborn confrontation when others refused to accept up is down and down is up.

    This is the core of Islam. Every religion is a way to channelize/package some human aspect. “Original and orthodox” Islam packages/redirects the human emotion of “anger and hate” into violence directed disbelievers.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    # Zinda Hoon, Kamal Attaturk summed up the Kuran most appropriately and most concisely:” The opinions of an immoral Arab sheikh”. Every blind-folded muslim should be aware of that. And every Musl1m of this sub-continent should be aware that there was a terrible incident of brutal choice that their ancestor had to make to ensure, his head is not separated from his body and the option to save his wife and children from slavery, that made them moslems. The ones with minimal education are just zombies who think they are pseudo-arabs.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Muhammad wanted to establish the worship of One Deity, the one without any form or shape. He unified all the warring tribes into one single nation, made racism inhuman and unlawful, stopped the exploitation of the poor by abolishing usury, raised the position of women socially, politically and economically by giving them rights still unheard of in many parts of the wrold including India… and there are hundred more reasons to respect that man and follow him as a leader. If you have any humanism left in you, you would respect him for his achievements at least. Only arrogant animals attack him the way you have done.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That your prophet or may be his followers ERASED all trace of PRE PROPHET ARABIA and consigned it as JAHILIA
    IS AN ACT OF BARBARISM OF WHICH THERE ARE NO PARALLELS IN HISTORY

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @ Abu, only an animal would consider a paedophile, mass-murderer, caravan-raider, ****** torturer. slave-merchant worthy of respect. He founded a cult that is based on hate and promised rewards in his version of heaven of 72 virgins, copious wines and 80,000 servants for all who are ready to die and kill for the sake of his cult. Just look all around the world right from Russia, Australia to Argentina, there are people inspired by those “teachings” to commit atrocities on innocent civilians. Just because you are out of that scope does not mean you should sit smug in your well of indifference.

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    Zinda Hoon Reply:

    I do find prophet Muhammed’s life and impact of Islam on the world absolutely fascinating and he is probably one of the most influential guys in the history of the world. I have spent hours and hours reading on it and I think I have some understanding about him and Islam. He was a narcissist first and foremost, read Quran 33.50.

    You say there were “warring tribes” in Mecca. I have heard this before man a times because it is a part of Islamic folklore. Now apply tools of reason and critical thinking to it. If the tribes were warring, would their “gods or deities” exist together in one house of worship. In modern times, with all it’s emphasis of mutual tolerance, even 2 sects of the same religion don’t share their house of worship. In 7th century Mecca, all these tribes were sharing one house of worship for all their deities , so what does this tell you about their relationship, – peaceful co-existence and respect for each other’s gods or “warring with each other”. Apply reason to everything you know about Islam and question it.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hemant-Shah/100001469851306 Hemant Shah

    When was this article written? Could you not have changed some of the references from back in 2005 or so? “Iraq is a rogue nation”? Really? Hasn’t the dust settled on that one? Even a cut and paste artist makes some editorial efforts before pushing out stuff.

    That said, I share your admiration for Fareed Zakaria.

    However, he is not just a role model for muslims. He is role model for any immigrant in USA. Indeed, he doesn’t identify himself as a muslim on any public forum, nor does anybody else (except of course some right wing nuts leaving comments on public blogs)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hemant-Shah/100001469851306 Hemant Shah

    You are patently wrong. He never condoned the attack. In fact, his documentary was a clear expose of Pakistan’s role in the attack. I watched it twice.

    Get your facts right.

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  • RajX

    Not true. He played a part in the hbo documentary which exposed the chilling fanaticism involved in the way the mumbai attackers and their handlers operated. No Islamist will do that.

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  • RajX

    Finally an article from zia with which I don’t have a problem with…almost. Zia calls zakaria right but the American right calls him left. He gets all the best knowledgable guests and his shows are generally informative because of that. Ah…one more thing. Maybe he succeeded because he didn’t wear his religion on his lapel and he has talent and did not restrict himself to looking at the world through a religious and ummah prism like our Zia…

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  • RajX

    Interesting. Why do you think that his dad is a closet jihadi?

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  • anil

    I think there are no dearth of Zakarias in India but India chooses not to find or focus on them. For obvious votebanking reason it chooses to look at things from wrong end of the spectrum and gets what it deserves.

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  • Sumit Bose

    Fareed Zakaria is one the rarest of the rare persons who wears very lightly “the accident of his birth” in a family that is moslem. He does not make a living , wearing his “muslimness” on his sleeves. He never has an Islamic takkiya (lying) way of approaching facts, he is very sound on logic and given the constraints of dealing with islamic terrorism, does appear to go quite a distance. He has been quite categorical about Pakistan’s dubious role as the epicentre of Islamic Terrorism, he is, as yet, not an apologist.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Dr. Rafiq Zakaria wrote a book in defense of the Quran when the Saffron terrorist Arun Shourie attacked the Holy Book in the 80s in the columns of the Indian Express – that perhaps is his crime in you view. Dr. Rafiq Zakaria was an Islamic scholar, an educationist who established many educational institutions and a Congress leader with the most secular of credentials. Only those who are extremists and terrorists themselves would call such a genteel, scholarly soul a closet terrorist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arun shourie is a dickhead and an islamophobe. But someone who wears the mantle of YOUNG BENGAL(read about the movement in wikipaedia) will find ZakariaSnr a clost jihadi.
    Just like jehadis think ISLAM HAS ALL THE ANSWERS , yet need VIAGRA invented by RATIONAL SCIENCE, zakaria was trying to place the merits of islam above science, to me it is a sign of a clost jihadi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arun Shourie is a mild mannered intellectual who buttresses his arguments with solid facts. To you he is a terrorist. If you can, you and your ilk should answer him with a reasoned argument. Not with threats like to Mr Rushdie. You may be enamoured of the Quran, others are not.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Dr Zakaria did that, answering Shourie with a reasoned arguement in a book – only to be called a closet terrorist by Hindu extremist gangsters / bombers. Rushdie calls all religions a fiction – with that I have no problem – at least he is not calling Zakaria a terrorist.

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    Kumars1 Reply:

    Hindus extremists, Muslims genteel! I am speechless. I wonder what 9/11 and other victims will say.

  • Anonymous

    Are you a bramhin. Only a bramhin can make such stupid comments as yours. You are a bigger plonker than your post suggests.Would you care to watch MICHAEL MOORE’S FILM “SICKO”, or Homer Simpson In THE SIMPSONS.30%of AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE A HEALTH INSURANCE.
    Insurance companies will not cover you for Pulmonary Embolism if you had suffered Deep Vein Thrombosis. But Pulmonary Embolism is the only major worry for someone with Deep Vein Thrombosis.
    As regards ISRAEL Plaestanian conflici ISRAEL IS MAINLY TO BE BLAMED , palestanians are to be blamed for being a dickhead and not playing their cards right.
    AMERICA IS IN THE POCKET OF JEWISH LOBBY
    Read Academic work the THE AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ISRAEL LOBBY BY CHICAGO PROFESSOR John Mearsheimer and HARVARD PROFESSOR Steven Walt.

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  • Anonymous

    If that was the case then the book by Chicago professor John Mersheimer and Harvard Professor Steven Walt called AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ISRAEL LOBBY would not have been published.
    That said AMERICA IS IN THE POCKET OF JEWISH LOBBY

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  • Anonymous

    I have no problems whatsoever with APJ Abdul Kalam, Mohammed Rafi, Maulana Azad, etc. They are Arabic origin names. But I suspect you may have problems with Indian sounding names.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hemant-Shah/100001469851306 Hemant Shah

    The precise point being made here is this that Zakaria is not a product of Islam. He may be (or may not be) a practicing muslim but that is just coincidental. At the best he could be called a product of Indian and American culture and education.

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  • Sumit Bose

    @Azhar, I assumed people who have had the benefit of secular english education would have been able to unshakle themselves from the tyranny of “mob psychology” and reflect on issues around them as rational beings.
    Your putting this growth statistics is a clear pointer that you feel strong in a crowd and vapourize as an individual..There are millions of ants and insects in any wooded area, but few lions and tigers. The measure of any civilization or group today, is the number of Nobel prizes in science or number of patents that group is able to register annually. Right from Morrocco till Malayasia, one would require a very powerful microscope to find patents, if any, recorded annually.This comfort in a crowd is a pathetic mind-set that reflects Yasser Arafat’s famous quote to crush Israel: The Bomb and the Womb. For your kind information the largest number of muslim converts in the UK and USA are the prison inmates. not a bit surpriing, given the rewards promised in the “Holy BooK” for committing atrocites.

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  • Sumit Bose

    The Pakistanis have a lot to celebrate, please dont overlook the hard fact that they have been able to either slaughter/send packing almost 32% of their total , ( “kaffirs”) population who were Hindus/Sikhs. They are successful (with brutal violence) turning this part of India in to a Dar-ul-Harb”. They are able to impose the Shari ah, is that by any means any insignificant feat? They must now sit in the stew-pot that they have so passionately created, but what they hell, they are all going to get their 72 virgins, 80,000 servants.etc etc

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Opps, sorry, it should read Dar-ul-Islam !

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  • Sumit Bose

    @RajX, This Anjem was no Hindu. He had got into medical school and failed in his first year a couple of times, moved to study law. Completed the course and made a living drawing state benefits of over UK P 24,000 annually and made a profession bashing daily the very system that feeds him, his wife and 4 children. A whole lot of people in UK are fuming that this empty-vessel earns more money in state assistance than soldiers fighting in the war for UK, and he takes his troupe of Jihadi nutheads to picket funerals of soldiers killed in action.

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  • Monalisa Oak

    Standard and Poor’s know India is the most corrupt country in the world. Its emerging economy is based on corrupt practices just like China’s and all other Asian and African countries. I am surprised India is rated BBB it should have been not even CCC but DDD. At the very bottom of their ratings!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are British and/or Pakistani. Did I guess correctly?

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  • anil

    India rates low because it’s eye sight is focused on lowly things – democracy of the corrupts for the corrupts by the corrupts!

    Most of the civilised world being focused on high sight (rule of law, ethics, accountability, responsibility etc), naturally they are cruising at high altitude.

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  • Silu

    Size only gives india a better rating than it deserves..

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