How many cows come for Rs 100 crore?



Sometime during the 1990s, Sharad Pawar was caught in a situation where he just could not get it right.

There were talks about his links with underworld don Dawood Ibrahim; he had either knowingly or inadvertently carried two notified criminals in his official aircraft from New Delhi to Bombay when he was union defence minister. He was supposed to have set off the 1991-92 Bombay riots to settle scores with then chief minister Sudhakarrao Naik and he was alleged to have huge sums of money, which he had sent abroad through the havala network.

Now, except for the fact of those two criminals travelling in his aircraft and that he had asked for mercy towards two other criminals – Pappu Kalani and Hitendra Thakur, then Congress MLAs in the Maharashtra legislature, a fact recounted to us by Naik who said he had received Pawar’s call himself – there was no piece of document to prove any of the other allegations floating around with relation to the Maratha warlord.

Many of us then believed that he had had a hand in the riots but then as the Justice Srikrishna Commission probed those riots, a letter from Naik surfaced in the records – thanking Pawar for sending out the Army. Justice Srikrishna was furious because Naik, in his deposition, had told the good judge that despite his appeals, Pawar had done little to help him curb the riots.

As expected, Justice Srikrishna gave Pawar a clean chit. So a miffed Shiv Sena, which had succeeded the Congress in government by the time his report was published, in its own `Action Taken Report’ continued to insist that Pawar had been culpable during the riots. Pawar was furious. So then chief minister Manohar Joshi called him up to apologize.

“I had to say it in the House because my leader insisted. But I know you were not involved,” he told Pawar.

“This is not right,” Pawar grumbled to reporters a day after.

“You cannot say one thing to me in private and another thing to the public.”

That soured relations between Bal Thackeray and Joshi in such a fashion that they still have not got back on an even keel.

But there was little Pawar could do to get rid of the other allegations that were mostly in the air without any basing on the ground. Then two newspapers and a magazine ran a lengthy story about how the Vora Committee report had named Pawar as having indulged in several havala transactions over the years. They even named him the havala dealer.

This is the opportunity that Pawar was waiting for – he sued all the three publications (one national newspaper, one Marathi newspaper and a national magazine), for Rs 100 crore each.

Soon after, when I visited Pawar’s official residence, I found the visiting cards of the top guns of these publications lying on his receptionist’s table.

“They were all here one by one,” said Pawar’s secretary. “But Saheb refused to meet any of them.”

When I questioned Pawar, he said, “I will get my 100 crore out of each of them and invest every last naya paisa back in Baramati.”

He then told some of us how he had been driven up the wall by rumours that attributed all sorts of unsavoury deals to him.

“But I had nothing to pin them down on. There was no one person I could home in on to bring a suit against him and there was no document that I could prove false. Now that they have put these allegations in black and white, I finally have the chance to go to court and get justice.”

Not surprisingly, the documents on which the story was based were proved to be false – they were a doctored photocopy of the original report that were being hawked by Pawar’s rivals to journalists in Bombay for months. But knowing the rivalries no newspaper in Bombay gave them a second thought. The Delhi publications, though, bought them hook, line and sinker. Of course, soon they knew they would lose the case, so they publicly apologized. Pawar withdrew his case against them and there has been little rumour in that direction ever since.

Now something similar seems to be happening to him vis-à-vis his alleged interests in DB Realty, the Shahid Balwa firm that seems to be involved in the 2G scam. Lobbyist Niira Radia has done to Pawar exactly what his detractors had been doing to him in the Nineties – passing off gossip as facts without basing them on some concrete evidence and documentation. He, of course, cannot go to Court on the flimsy allegations but I noticed, for once, he was very active denying the allegations.

The lines to Pawar are being drawn essentially because of the share holding of the Dynamix group in DB Realty. Dynamix is a brand name promoted by Pawar – it has vast dairy interests in his home turf of Baramati (in fact outside of Amul and Mother Dairy you cannot get any dairy product that is not sourced from Dynamix) but I do not believe that Pawar has little connection with at least the dairy arm of the company.

As Pawar says it, the dairy is an enterprise set up by private industrialists and he has known the senior Goenka for 35 years, whose son is now a partner with Balwa in DB Realty. But whether Pawar has interests in the realty group or not, the Dynamix Dairy operations have not happened without his active involvement and encouragement, even if he might not have any shares in the company on the record. The Dynamix Dairy operations is an enterprise that Pawar is justifiably proud of and it is linked to his electoral prospects in Baramati – almost every family has benefited from it; the company provided jobs to at least one member from each family and they all vote blindly for Pawar or his daughter, come elections.

This, then, is another rumour/conjecture that is set to drive him up the wall again. But, like with the havala rumour, he should welcome it. For, if the Central Bureau of Investigation legitimizes Radia’s non-evidential allegations, Pawar can then hope to get several times more than just the Rs 100 crore of the last decade out of Radia.

How many cows would that buy for Baramati, I wonder?

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  • Solitary Reaper

    I am surprised, that the author has gone to great pains to try and exonerate a political heavyweight who seems to be all-in-one responsible for games, agriculture and run-away inflation because of silly remarks. Does he (author) not have something better to do that try to clean the tar by hand. I am sure he can us his detective abilities to know why an agriculture minister is more interested in exporting onions and sugar when there is hue and cry at home. Please do no think the lot of us are idiots and can be lead by our noses with your utterly childish and half-baked since-it-was-not-proven-it-is-not-true story. To simplify, how many politicians have gone to jail for graft and stayed there? Why are our political parties more interested in nominating musclemen and not educated people? How many of our leaders will support lokpal? Why is everyone out to smear Anna Hazare and others reputations?

    We live in a country where law takes its own course till the leader dies in an expensive bed in a lavish home bought with the same ill-gotten money he was charged for? So much for justice.

    A simple question for the author. What is 2+2?

    Al the best.

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  • ravin

    smaller parties under attack.

    BJP and Congress were taking most of the loot before.

    Now the videshi have advised their desi brokers, hit those who need finances to break the bjp-congress nexxus monopoly that is running and runing india. Videshis need open economy so they can play their games and bring on a sellout to them or their deshi brokers.

    So videshis ask, hit them (smaller parties) at their finances. TRAP THEM in lures so they can be punished.

    Tata was exposed by brokers to pressure him and bring him back to being videshi-angrez broker. All this is done because congress and fake opposition bjp want monopoly and be the sole deal maker with videsh brokers.

    Corruption is ok if bjp and congress do it, because they own CBI and Media. The rest should be tarnished and extorted like they did to Raja.The same was done to madhu koda by congress on behest of bjp.

    Do you know how media is sold out in india. one side it is billion dollars in kickbacks in videshi accounts, Another side it is in crores and media only rubbishes them.

    media is a very effective weapon of the videshis.
    and their desi brokers

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  • Dr. Asit K. Bose

    Pawar is a thief and should be imprisoned. All the people in Congress, BJP and other parties and people who are corrupt must be got rid of.

    Our Prime Minister is indeed a honest man and the people of India must rise and help him get rid of corruption in our great land.

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    Sid Reply:

    Come on give me a break – politicians as clever as Pawar, Karunandihi, late Karunakaran etc do NOT leave tell tale evidence for their non-legal actions. Nira Radia is NOT an ordinary street person, she had deep & influential connections with in the government, media and business. She must be aware of what is going on behind the scene, which ordinary citizens do not have preview to!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Bose,

    you said, “Our Prime Minister is indeed a honest man and the people of India must rise and help him get rid of corruption in our great land.”

    If, as you say (an increasing number of Indians would readily disagree with you here), the PM is indeed an honest man, he should rise himself above the narrow agenda of corruption of his party and help this our great land get rid of corruption.

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  • hari

    Not withstanding sleaze associated with Pawar with regard to IPL, there enough muck associated with with Pawar to underline his status as incompetent, crooked and unworthy of high office.
    Let us list these:
    1. Neglect of Agriculture ministerial duties in favour of BCCI all for the sake of looting
    2. Nepotism with respect to promoting family
    3. Front companies belonging to his family holding shares in IPL.

    The above is just tip of the iceberg.

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  • Raju Khan

    Just wondering how much money she got to write this article from NCP. She must be getting good benefits . There must be some agency which should monitor corrupt journalists and there close relationships with politicians.
    Journalists should endorse in public about there affiliation to political parties just like in USA. Then it becomes easy for us on why she comes all the way to protect Pawar.

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  • Narayana Das

    PAID NEWS – Definitely

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  • Ashok

    Mr Pawar has shadow of curruption looming over him for years, now things are coming to head and this crafty politician has hired a blogger to exonerate himself. The blogger is stretching herself too far in defending Mr Pawar. Mr Pawar has been too close to likes of Dawood Ibrahim, I wonder why any sane person would want to defend him.

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  • Saarthak

    Sujata Anandan never ceases to amaze me. On the one hand, she badmouths Anna Hazare (the anti-corrupt)…on the other she is exonerating Sharad Pawar (the super corrupt). A brazen. shameless and obviously paid journo. It shows Hindustan Times in poor light that a person of your credibility is the editor of its Mumbai edition

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    Angry Ganu Reply:

    I agree with Saarthak. Sharad Pawar is one of the most corrupt politicians in Indian political history. And even the common man knows it. Wonder why a journalist of a leading paper is ignorant about it.

    And badmouthing Hazare who is trying to do something positive against guys like Pawar. Why the hell do you thing Pawar was ousted from the LokPal Committee. Not because he is as white as milk for sure.

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    Indian Reply:

    Well Saarthak, I appreciate her now. She openly flaunts her allegiance and is transparent to the core about defending mafias and political mafias. She is the best out of lot to put her true credentials before public. She in a way is taunting the Indian Public indirectly – I don’t care, I will be always loyal to my masters : NO matter what.

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  • Tarun

    Pawar a thief Raddia a thief and women of ill-repute both should be locked.

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  • Sachin mittal

    Sujata, you seem to be driven by logic. But then your logic is quite limited by your allegiance to pawar. You should ask yourself, are we happy with current situation? Can I blame pawar and be safe in Mumbai? Does lack of evidence mean no crime? Does pawar know how to play cricket or godsake any game? How can he manage multiple ministries of Indian nation alone when he should be retiring?

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  • Raju Shah

    Time to rename this newspaper to Congressi Times

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  • Indian

    Why is the author so much interested in exonerating Pawar , He mentions nothing about the recent price rise and Pawar’s incompetence in bringing it down

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  • Deep

    This is absolutely perfect analysis of the facts from 90s. Can’t say for sure how much of the current information is accurate analysis. But Sujatha smartly avoids delving deeper into the Sena antics – or should I say – that particular family’s antics – who are really no more than journo-turned-nautankiwalas who will do anything for adulation – even threats and violence. This article can only come from years of deep understanding of the Maharashtra politics. Tata doesn’t do dirty things. They get dirty things done from others. And that approach works well with the right wing.

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    Manish Reply:

    Sujata Anandan – There can be only two reasons to write what you have written
    1) You got favors to write this may be in cash or kind.
    2) You did not have anything else to write and therefor you have written this most prepostorous article.
    You are supporting the most corrupt man in whole of India and you are bad mouthing an anti corruption crusader-I was not able to find the logic behind this. The only reason can be that you yourself has to be corrupt. There is not even an iota of doubt that this is a paid journo.

    And Honestly I am shocked and pained to know that a person of your integrity level is the editor of Mumbai Edition

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  • India

    I am disappointed. How can you defend this man who has a foot in all the camps and who has friends in all the political parties so that he is always safe and secure? Dont use HT for PR business so blatantly.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Sujata sings “Mein Pawar ki Diwani hun’…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    “How many cows would that buy for Baramati, I wonder?”

    She should know that fat cows are at a discount.

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com nandu

    she is the same| shameless author who traveled with pawar when he became the cm for the first time to pune and was offered alcohol by by pawar and was also asked which condom she likes by a late minister shows how much she is respected the fact that she still praises pawar leaves nothing for imagniation

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Sujata sings “Hai mujhe pawar se pyaar hua Allah mia..o Allah mia..pawar ke note se pyar hua allah mia”…

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  • Agent Smith

    Hi Sujata,

    I have been following your column for last 5 years (first in newspaper and now online) and I like it a lot. However over the years I started feeling that you are biased towards Congress and that shadows your writing. Sometimes you give examples in support of Congress which cant be verified as those examples refer to some private conversations. Because of these examples your articles look like gossips.

    I do understand BJP/Shiv Sena people are not saint. But what bothers me is extra mile you go to defend people like Sharad Pawar.

    I hope to see unbiased articles from you in future.

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  • bhushan

    STOP ABUSING A LADY… U STUPID PEOPLE

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  • Anonymous

    Here are some facts-
    1. The muslims ruled India uninterrupted for 800 years so they were always favored people of the rulers paying minimal taxes and getting sops from rulers.
    2. After 1857, muslims under Syed Ahmed Khan (of AMU fame), sided with Brits against hindus to get favor.
    3. Then came Jinnah of Syed Ahmed Khan school of separatism. He wanted 50% reservation for muslims in all the fields. His demand was rejected by CONGRESS which led to creation of Pakistan and later Bangladesh.
    4. The total number of muslims in India-Pak-Bangladesh are 500 million (50 crores). Out of these 2/3rd muslims live in Pak-Bangladesh where they get 100% reservation in all fields. The minorities in those countries especially hindus are treated a pile pf garbage.
    5. Now muslims are demanding reservation again citing backwardness of muslims. Now they are claiming that 95% of them are hindu converts (it is a different thing that in private every muslims claims to be decendent of Arab or Turk). They got their Pakistan and Bangladesh but many still stuck back in India despite overwhelmingly supporting pakistan movement before 1947. The constitution of India does not allow reservation based on RELIGION so muslims are using CASTE route. However muslims have been converting hindus using propaganda that there is no Casteism in Islam and everyone is equal. Both Muslims and Congress are now contradicting their earlier position..

    The people like Zia are actually ideological terrorists who keep poisoning minds of people. The muslims are liberated hindus who chose Islam over hinduism for the sake of equality. Now they should live with their choice. If they want reservation, they should revert back to hinduism and back to caste fold else all of them can go to PAK-BD where they are assured 100% reservation… Ab Bhikmango ki tarah bheek mat maango…tum to hamara 800 saal ke liye Aaka the..

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    Mohammed Reply:

    Muslims never ruled 800 yrs, they ruled parts of India, on an average half of this India for about 500 yrs. Do you say whole muslims have to suffer for the misdeeds of one Syed A Khan? Anyway, if India is a secular and democratic nation run under the present constitution, it has to adopt affirmative action. Otherwise, how would you remove the present systematic social oppresion, suppresion or discrimination? Are you happy with the present morally corrupt society? How would India aspire to become superpower keeping 1/5th of population slave? Under Muslim rule, hindus (brahmins) fluorished, but those who were half hindu (lower class) embraced islam for social dignity. But as the power remained with brahmins, these new muslims were kept oppressed till today.

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    RajX Reply:

    The hallmarks of an arabized person is that he parrots the talking points of the people who converted him even though he knows it’s all bullcr*p. He does it because he needs to justify his immoral action of sleeping with Islamist invaders and thus committing treachery on his own society just to curry favors with the invaders turned rulers. It’s intellectual jujitsu but it only fools the arabized themselves and no body else who knowns history. How predictable your ilk is….

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    engrich Reply:

    rajx brhmns came from central india demolished indus valley civilization then stayed on bank of ganga.sanskrit is not indian language.vedas were not written in india.vedas are full of cows and horses whichare not indians.non brhmns shudras and women are not allowed to touch this holy scripture.

    ban on cow slaughter was imposed by budhdhists.brhmns were cow eaters during their time cow almost reached to the point of extinction.

    as per their holy scripture only white is divine people of other colours are jokers like lord krishna.

    engrich Reply:

    central india

    pls read central asia

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is not the fault of Brahmins that Muslims send their sons to Madrassas instead of schools. How are you going to get ahead in today’s world if only thing you study is the religious books? It is well known that Khans rule the Bollywood, and then we have people like Salman Rushdie, MF Hussain, APJ Kalam etc. It is clear that those muslims who wanted to improve their lives have not been prevented from doing so… The allegations of systematic social oppression are completely false and motivated.

    1/5 of the population is free and always been free. It is their choice if they want to wallow in the slums.

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    engrich Reply:

    traapdar muslims are sending their sons to madarssa because they are cheap.now 40%of students of madarssa are hindus.

    muslims have made more than 1001 innovative inventions.those students came from madarssa.

    europe is against our ancient education system as it is impossible to mentally enslave their student.base of this education system is high moral value.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK..Let us accept your opportunistic lie that muslims ruled for 500 years..was this not enough for muslims to prosper?

    The affirmative action as per constitution is only meant for groups victim of caste system. If muslims want reservation they should abandon Islam as it has not fulfilled their aspiration and rejoin hindu faith as SCs and OBCs. No one is stopping you.

    I think muslims are number one in all crimes especially underworld so you should ask yourself that why has Islam created criminals out of normal human beings?

    India can never be superpower till people including muslims and especially muslims breed like rabbits. India is one of the few nations where polio exists because muslims in india consider polio vaccine as conspiracy of kafirs to make muslims impotent.

    Bheek maangne se koi ameer nahi hua mian..Mehnat karo..Bheek maangni hai to muslim countries jaao, jahan tumhare hum-quom ayyashi farma rahein hein.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajeev u punjabis are thieves liars and highly immoral people.
    muslims are hard worker evrycityof northern india is known with muslim handicraft.

    aaj kal pagalpane ka daura zor se pada hai.ya kisi mussalman ne teri ghaand maree hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    DO you mean 60% of pakistan is thief?

    The muslims are most immoral people because they can sell their ammies for some money.

    Mohammed Reply:

    500 yrs was not enough. Because 3000 yrs were proved to be still not enough for Brahmins (aryans) in India. Poor muslims are also the victims of traditional caste system, so they deserve affirmative action, not rich muslims. Abolish Hajj subsidy. Sachar report found that affirmative action indeed benifitted SCs, STs. Your criminal statistics are not true, everywhere you will find hindus are the rapist, of course hindus are some sort of sophisticated criminals. Definitely islam has alleviated human sufferings. Many dreaded criminals became honest after embracing islam. Your polio theory is a lie. True, muslim’s fertility rate is higher, but this is a matter of concern among the illiterate poor muslims. That’s why we need to educate them. Remember only 3% muslim children goes to madrassas, because of poor.

    RajX Reply:

    Very good points but I suspect that it would fall on deaf ears or at least on people who are acting deaf.

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  • Ravi

    Here are some other facts.

    1. For thousands of years in the Hindu Society Education was only available to Brahmins. However, some notable exceptions exist, but by and large this is true.

    2. Aryans are aliens to the Indian sub-continent where they have for 3 millennia or more, marginalised the indigenous tribes and other sections of the population. So much so that the History of Northern India is synonymous with the History of Aryans.

    3. Access to education and other such privileges are still very much governed by one’s caste. Lower the caste more difficult it is for an individual to gain access to education. Significant improvement has taken place over the last 200 years or so mainly due to the policies of the Brits – though not exclusivly -, and none of it due to any change of heart among the conservative Hindu society. For an example of progressive Hindus, see below.

    4. The function of reservations is to address inherent in-equalities that exist in our society. We have reservations for a whole variety of criteria. There are reservations to address in-equalities due to religious disadvantages, regional disadvantages, even for children whose fathers served in the forces, etc etc.

    5. Opposition to reservation is almost always led by middle class, Hindu upper castes because the change in status quo hurts them the most.

    6. To maintain caste based hierarchies of privileges is the main agenda of Hinduatva. It wants to re-establish the rigid caste system and denigrate minorities to a permanent second class citizenship.

    7. Whilst I believe the current reservation system can be improved upon, even over-hauled, it remains necessary to create even tiny semblance of equality in our society.

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    Reservations in favour of Backward Classes (BCs) were introduced long before independence in a large area, comprising the Presidency areas and the Princely states south of the Vindhyas. Chatrapati Sahuji Maharaj, Maharaja of Kolhapur in Maharashtra introduced reservation in favour of non-Brahmin and backward classes as early as 1902. He provided free education to everyone and opened several hostels in Kolhapur to make it easier for everyone to receive the education. He also made sure everyone got suitable employment no matter what social class they belonged. He also appealed for a class-free India and the abolition of untouchability. The notification of 1902 created 50% reservation in services for backward classes/communities in the State of Kolhapur. This is the first official instance (Government Order) providing for reservation for depressed classes in India.

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    RajX Reply:

    Aryan theory is a theory cooked up by colonialists to rule over India since they can claim that Indians are not indigenous to the land so they don’t have any claims over it and thus justifying their colonization. It’s sad that “liberal Hindu” ravi is parroting theories cooked up by Europeans to justify their colonization of India. The arabized also use the same strategy to attack dharmic religions claiming parity for the Arab religion with dharmic ones in terms of being indegenous.

    Regarding reservation, it should have always been what it was intended to be for. To help people who are materially “backward”. People have injected caste into it for harvesting votes and now they want to inject religion into. That’s intellectually backward, immoral and disgusting!

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    Ravi Reply:

    RajX

    Is that so.

    I accepted this rubbish theory to surface and I thank you to bring it up.

    I am sorry to say that “Hindu Fundo RajX” is completely wrong. The Aryan migration theory is backed by tons of evidence of the kind that professional Historians accept as evidence.

    I could give you name of INDIAN Historians who on their honour would back the Aryan theory, but then I am afraid you will only dismiss them as JNU type.

    You would only be convinced if the RSS backed the Aryan Migration theory,
    but they are not likely to do that, are they.

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    RajX Reply:

    “Hindu liberal” ravi, why push a debunked racist and colonialist theory here in this forum? What’s your agenda “Hindu liberal”? By the way, you are not very different from RSS. Both of you pea brained nitwits believe in the colonialist and racist Aryan theory. So you finally found a soul mate. A weak “Hindu liberal” has found his soulmate in a communal organization. Fantastic. You guys should do a Aryan honeymoon. Nitwit. Repeating the talking points of illiberal Islamist NUTTERS doesn’t make you a liberal. It just makes you a pea brained and brainwashed nitwit.

    Ravi Reply:

    This is little more than a puff of hot air emnating from a guy who seems to have lost total control over himslef.

    RajX Reply:

    Pea brained self proclaimed “Hindu liberal” ravi has no answers. Only ad hominems.. Frothing in the mouth against Indians, Indian culture and tradition is not not going to help your Islamist cause. Sorry little pea brain. Your racist and colonialist theories stink.

    RajX Reply:

    “Hindu liberal” ravi, here is some info for ur pea brain about the debunking the colonialist Aryan theory which a weak and illiberal minded “Hindu liberal” like you are spouting.
    friendsofsouthasia.org/textbook/ComingOfAryans.html

    Ravi Reply:

    RajX

    Equipped with two things:

    1. My Pea Brain

    2. The link you provided.

    This is what I discovered in 5 minutes.

    ______

    1. Isn’t it true that the Aryans Invasion Theory has been disproved? There is no evidence of invasions taking place, and the whole theory is based on flaky linguistic theories.

    The Aryan Invasion Theory has many variants. The Aryan Invasion Theory advocating a purely racial “invasion” proposed by Max Mueller has been questioned by many, including the noted historian, Romila Thapar, in the 1960s. The contemporary theory of Aryan origin corroborates data and evidences from over two dozen different fields of study and demonstrate a pattern of cultural, social and linguistic migration/domination/invasion of people speaking the Indo-European languages from Central Asia into India. This theory about the Aryan origin, which is currently the most authoritative theory among historians, does not state that the Aryans were an indigenous people. For details see: “The Aryan Question Revisited”, by Romila Thapar at http://members.tripod.com/ascjnu/aryan.html .

    The Hindutva groups are misleading the masses by criticizing Max Mueller’s Aryan Invasion Theory (which is already discredited) and cleverly, falsely and deviously claiming that Michael Witzel and others (including Romila Thapar) are supporting Max Mueller’s theory. In fact, under the cover of criticizing Max Mueller, the self -styled Hindutva historians [most of whom are engineers and businessmen] are promoting a theory that Aryans did not migrate from Central Asia but were the original inhabitants of India. This theory has been propped up as a propaganda item on numerous websites and is discussed as a community specific truth within the Hindutva circles. It holds no currency within established historical scholarship.

    YOUR BRAIN IS CLEARLY SMALLER THAN A PEA

    RajX Reply:

    Really? Did you cry when Osama died? My condolences. Osama is now fish food. so why call yourself “liberal Hindu” ravi when you cry over the death of an Islamist? Is deceit allowed in Islam especially when it’s practiced against the kufirs?

    RajX Reply:

    So your pea brain has pea sized memory too? You claimed that RSS did not believe in Aryan theory. They do. Just like you. Two of a kind. A anti Hindu indian nutter and a power hungry nutter both embrace each other. Now you can run around trees, dance and sing a song.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is no hindu or sikh liberal. He is a fundoo muslim who cried on death of Osama.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here again terrorist speaks with forked tongue..He claims to be a sikh (Aryan)… AIT has been discredited but terrorists like Ravi still stick to it.

    Warrior and Trader class always got education and also Shudras..this is the reason Ramayana & Mahabharata was written by Shudras..

    This propaganda by terrorists is not going to work anymore. Only muslims are alien to this land as they have refused to assimilate themselves with India unlike others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. There is no such thing as Aryan Invasion/Migration. Indeed, either we are ALL Aryans (muslims included) or none of us are Aryans.
    2. Access to education is actually governed by financial and social considerations, whether a family can afford to send their children school or not is the biggest consideration, which is why schemes like mid day meal are a big success.
    3. Function of reservation is to consolidate votes. If the reservation was intended to address inequities in the society, it would have addressed the financial and social backwardness issues, instead, reservation is only done on the basis of caste.
    4. Reservation does indeed hurt the middle class, because the middle class needs jobs. Reservation, which is anti-merit, takes away jobs just because the person is of the wrong caste. Thus, far from addressing social inequities, reservation actually discriminates against the middle class. Hardly the hallmark of a democracy.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Trapdaar

    You are entitled to your opinions.

    I hope you would accept the simple fact that I disagree with you on the main points.

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    RajX Reply:

    A nutter with manners?? Hahaha…

    Anonymous Reply:

    rajX,
    ravi has on record justified actions of osama..Total terrorist material.

    RajX Reply:

    He is very cunning but still pea brained.

  • anil

    Reservation coupled with Minority Protection Bill is the volatile combination for experimentation on India as merit is relegated to the back seat. It is designed to push it through its transient phase fof tectonic shift.

    After successful implementation of above civilised world can say good buy to India as it will expedite its fall to meet the eventuality, matching Mayan civilisation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is like taking India back to 1930s muslim league politics. The pro-Jinnah element that were dormant till date have started singing same tune. I actually hold Advani responsible to rehabilitating terrorist Jinnah in Indian mind. He was the most disgusting SOB who was directly responsible for genocide of 1 million hindus-sikhs-muslims.

    The fake sikhs never worry about sikh right but jump on every opportunity to defend muslims who divided India because they demanded that british give then rein of power so that Islamic rule can continue.

    I am amazed to see muslim hypocrisy.,.They divided India and now are claiming to be victims. It is time this hypocrisy is cut short.

    If pakistan wants kashmir, it should take 160 million Indian muslims along with fake sikhs. If it can claim muslim majority land, it should also claim muslim people.

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  • RajX

    About eighty percent of this article justifies reservations for the former rulers of Islamic India and about ten percent of it says that the former Islamic rulers of India should not take the reservation. About ten percent of it is about bashing the people of India who did not succumb to arabization. Something tells me that Zia would have turned out to be a better person if he had stuck to his childhood principle that he wouldn’t read the Koran because it did not have any colorful pictures. He says

    “There is, in our Constitution, a clear promise for reservations on the basis of “backwardness”.”

    Backwardness of mind can’t be cured by reservation nor can it be used to extort undeserved special benefits to a particular religious community who were the former rulers of India. If “material backwardness” is the criteria for reservation, then I am all for it. Then we don’t need a religious or caste based reservation. I would have had more respect for Zia if he had made that case since that would cover all materially backward people including Muslims without injecting religious poison into reservation just like Zia is trying to do here but to who’s benefit I wonder….

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  • Anonymous

    2/3rd of sub-continental muslims are enjoying 100% reservation..Is that not enough? I fail to understand shamelessness of Indian muslims? They were given choice between secular India and theocratic pakistan. If they wanted reservation, they should have moved to pakistan.

    The fake sikhs can invent history to suit their interest but it is not going to get thru..If muslims try to push their luck, they are in for huge disaster.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WJFSIJXTVCRASYXSML7HIMYP5E nice guy

    There should be no reservations for anyone… rules should be the same for everyone, the over glorified, yuppie youth of today are too dazed with gizmos and fast cars to form an opinion leave alone cast their vote, there is a urgent need to change the demographics of political parties being, run by a consortium of landgrabbers, criminals, the scum of the universe, all fundamentalist parties based on religion creed or caste need to be banned or else well all have to immigrate to other places..!

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    RajX Reply:

    Nice guy, nice points.

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  • Rakesh katyal

    Zia you are asking for reservation without appearing to be doing so. Any reservation based on communal lines will have disastrous consequences. Infact it is only politics which is keeping reservation for Dalits. We should have got over them by now. Like your community excels in keeping its own people backward smilarly well to do Dalits have grabbed the complete benefits of reservations for themselves and are keeping them alive for own benefits. You have to learn to work hard and get your due by sheer hard work. India gives a fair chance to everyone.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    If all Indians really considered each other as co-citizens and the other as precious as oneself, there will be no injustice in society – and one justice is established in the society, all progress and development would follow in due course. Why should a single Indian be discriminated against on any pretext and why is there so much violence and aggressiveness in our society?

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    RajX Reply:

    Brother Abu, since you are against discrimination, I hope that you are also against Caste and religion based reservation which puts meritocracy in the trash bin and discriminates against people who really work hard in favor of people who do not perform as well.

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  • RajX

    Dude, you never stop. Do you? Give it a rest.

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  • RajX

    I think it’s better to reform misguided people than reward them with land for their utter idiocy. Anyways there is not enough land to give off to bigoted religious groups anymore. Anyways I believe that most progressive Muslims are an asset to the country unlike some bad apples like our Zia here.

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  • RajX

    Zia should ask himself this question. He says that he writes about “Muslim affairs” for HT. Fine. So why are very few Muslims coming here in this forum for defending his opinions? Are they ashamed of his opinions and don’t consider it mainstream or respect worthy? Take for instance this gem

    “Well, there are those who have even denied the Holocaust ever took place.”

    Why would any Muslim want to defend this kind of gutter level opinions from Zia which compares the people who think that Muslims are not particularly ill-treated in India with holocaust deniers???
    By the way , holocaust deniers of the twenty first century are mostly Muslims led by dear leader from Iran. This is a result of arabization where Muslims who are not Arabs have absorbed the Arab hatred of Jews through their religious networking.

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    engrich Reply:

    the fraud of holocaust was fabricated to create isreal.if it really happened ,why
    anyone who challeenge its validity is sent to 5 year jail.many german professors are languishing.

    TRUTH SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF INVESTIGATION.

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  • RajX

    The weak minded will always find some one to blame. In India, they blame the Hindus and in the UK they will blame the white man. This is a victimhood industry and it’s very profitable for some people.

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  • Anonymous

    No wonder 65% of all bengalis have converted to Islam..

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  • Anonymous

    You seem to be cross between Camel and Donkey.

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  • Anonymous

    The hallmark of muslim societies all over the world especially in non-muslim country is that they depend on Khairaat and always play victim card.
    The commonality between muslims living in non-muslim countries-
    1. Khairaat dependent.
    2. a sense of vicitimhood
    3. Cry baby
    4. hatred for host country
    5. Immense love for fascist muslim countries.
    6. No repect for non-muslims’
    7. Demand total respect for Islam
    8. use of violence
    9. propaganda against jews
    10. Spread lies like ‘Islam is religion of peace’ (actualy they mean ‘religion of piece’ as they always want to divide host country).
    11. Demand secularism when it suits them and demand Sharia where they are in majority.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Cricket club managers in Hyderabad complained that talented Muslim boys are being ignored for selection of Under-14 and Under 17 teams. They should know that this is not communal discrimination – there are sports agents these days who, in exchange of a fee, guarantee the inclusion of a talented player in any team. There are hundreds of job placement agencies whose task it is to find placements in exchange of fee or commission. So, finally, its all about money exchanging hands, right from a child being admitted in a school to his/her employment after education. Moneyed people can play the game of life, right from education, health, employment to investing in any business. Those who do not have the money, regardless of community, are left behind. And the Hindu society was never known to be an egalitarian one. Hence there is prevalence of discrimination against the weak, and therefore the need of discrimination for – if our country is a welfare state too, apart from being a practically casteist Hindu state.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Go around in muslim colleges and see representation of non-muslims in different teams.

    You guys just whine.

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    RajX Reply:

    If you want to experience what real discrimination is like, live as a Hindu in any Islamic society of your choice. Islamic societies operate as cults and have internalized and institutionalized discrimination based on their religious bigotry which they are taught at a very young age. The people who beleive in the dharmic way of life did not. If they had, your name won’t be Abu Ahmed but some ram Singh or Bheem Singh. Arabization speaks through people like you. You have to understand that turning you against your own forefathers culture is a surefire way of keeping you within the imposed and foreign “faith”. You may be unaware of it since you are in the targeted bubble but millions are spent by a certain govt in the middle east in India just for this singular cause. You have to ask yourself what a foreign govt gets in return for funding madrases, mosques and propaganda against the dharmic way?

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Thats a typical casteist way of dealing with issues. Racism, casteism, class differences are all there in the world – even the most primitive tribe in the jungles of Africa would consider itself the best people on earth – thats something inevitable. However, casteism is an article of faith and part of life Hinduism with the help of which since thousands of years people have been oppressed, killed, raped and pillaged in India. Arabs are racist obviously, but not Islam, for thats the first religion in the world to demolish many isms are liberate mankind from the yoke of priest-led worship and control over knowlede. Ideologically it sees no difference between peoples – for God says in the Quran that the best people are those who do good on earth and aware that God is watching them. Its your arrogance and hatred that you still hold on to casteism and other misplaced notions. Indian Muslims are not begging for reservations – it is the Sonias, the Mayawatis, the Phulmatis and the Bhagmatis who are after Muslim votes and are as usual trying to appease and then dump muslims after elections.

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    RajX Reply:

    Islam replaced priests with mullahs who are infinitely worser than any Hindu priest. Hindu priests never go after political power like the mullahs do. Regarding control over knowledge, the Arabs through Islam, invasion and occupation have claimed the inventions and discoveries of other societies as their own and called it”Islamic inventions”. Unfortunately the arabized in non Arab societies have become a tool for this kind of disgusting intellectual theft.

    Talking about article of faith, cultism is an article of faith in Arab Islam. That’s the reason why Islam teaches you to see the world in two. One is a Muslim and the other is a kafir. Your forefathers Hinduism doesn’t teach you think in that bigoted way. You seem to have conveniently forgotten the murders, robbery, rape and slave owning commited by the “messenger of god” and his band of thugs. Arab society had some merit before islam. After mohamad and his islam, its all moral darkness for them. I can understand that you have to justify arabization and the Arab cult because not doing so would negate the whole life you have led so far. In Islam, there is no way out. Once you are in, you are in even if you want to leave. I pity your state.

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    RajX Reply:

    Hahaha..wahab..what is this about?

    engrich Reply:

    ur hinduism is money minting bussines.we teach morality.hinduism cannot be called religion.as man is unequal at birth.it is more a system.

    RajX Reply:

    By the way, would you prefer living as a Hindu in a Islamist cesspool like Pakistan? Maybe in your worst nightmare. Unfortunately in most Islamic society, bigotry is a way of life. Islam plays a part in this bigotry since the bigotry is justified by these islamist bigots by quoting from Mohamads Koran. It’s obviously not a very nice book if bigots of all stripes find a lot of stuff in there to justify their actions.

    engrich Reply:

    descrimination is base of hinduism.they descriminate everybody ,except their jaatiwalas,hence dont complain.keep ur hand in pocket,while dealing with them.

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  • engrich

    13%reservation should be given to high.muslims should have 15% as per numbers.70%to backwards and dalits.

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  • Anonymous

    You are spewing typical muslim propaganda…Divide hindus and enjoy at their cost. We can see thru your designs.

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  • engrich

    if u have particular point challenge.read argumentative indians.horses and cows are not indian animal.see ur epics.all kings ang holy people are white evil persons are black brown or blue.

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    RajX Reply:

    Krishna is blue. Was he evil?

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    engrich Reply:

    yes,as per epic had 1603 wives.had intimate relationship with his neighbours wife called radha.killed all his cousins and uncles on battlefield,because they were from lwer castes.
    made castes on the basisw of birth.women and shedule castes were made outcaste.

    because he was blue.not white.only white is divine and worth praising and honour.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bush is white so is he more divine than Mohammad and your Allah?

    engrich Reply:

    according to brhmnst yes

    RajX Reply:

    Hahahaha…tejinder, Krishna is not a real person. He is a character in a mythology. I set a trap for you and you fell right into it. By the way, it looks like arabization not only distorts history of real world but it also distorts the mythical world of mythology. Funny man!

  • Mohammed

    Well, Sachar report says affirmative action has benifitted greatly to SCs and STs. So why not to poor muslims? They don’t need Hajj subsidy. Sachar report found that only 3% muslim children goes to madrassas, Only poor muslims send their children, because it is completely free and but serves at least two purposes, a low paid job of priest/imam and the religious knowledge to keep the islamic tradition. Jiziya tax is a normal tax to an able non-muslim like a muslim pays the tax (Zakat). Only the names are different. Tax citizens pay everywhere. So don’t put some absurd arguments. Muslims are striving, but need some govt. support.

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  • RajX

    “I fail to understand why, if reservation is good for Dalits, is it bad for Muslims”

    Who can argue with that? Is that your “winning” argument?

    I also failed to understand why, if reservation is good for Muslims, is it bad for all nonmuslims. After all, a significant section of people from the muslim religious group divided the country on religious lines in 1947 resulting in that Islamist cesspool we now call Pakistan which has become a headache not only for India but for the whole world.

    That’s my winning argument.

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    engrich Reply:

    reservation should be provided to weaker section whether muslim or non muslim.u cannot keep a part of bharat mata paralysed.everthless muslims are also indian.why so much hate.

    in up w are 18.5%.our representation in patwari/lekhpal is only .6%same in other services.if we will be part of system we will have feeling of ownership with system ,which will enhance patriotism.

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  • Anonymous

    Egnrich says “because he was blue.not white.only white is divine and worth praising and honour.”

    Does that mean WHITE Bush is more divine than BROWN Mohammad? Never knew muslims love Bush so much.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajeev very stupid comparison.neverthless brhmnast were supporting britishers
    against indian.bhasmasur is black.while durga is white.

    in islam all colors are same.i talked about vedics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How is it stupid? You don’t find Quran stupid which is full of nonsense…Grow some brain..

    Why you keep blaming brahmin and jews for your birth?

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    engrich Reply:

    teri maa ka chhot pagal

    RajX Reply:

    Tejinder, don’t hate Hindus and Jews. They are more civilized than the Arabs.

    engrich Reply:

    jews are our cousins brhmn are like brothers.i hate brhmnsm and zoinism.these are satanic anti-god thought hurting the people.
    they want to built ram mandit in ayodhya.what it actually means.
    it means .to ignite war between shaivite and vaishanvitesayodhya is headquarter of shaivaties.
    historically shaivites killed vaishanvites in his areaa and vica versa.
    these 2 satanic forces follow shaitan not bhagwan.i expose them.
    see how zoinists ruined iraq afghanistan libya
    and india before.

  • engrich

    ravi bahi and shan,a good video,

    Libya War Lies – Worse Than Iraq – Video – Thomas Mountain

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  • engrich

    the above shows ur lack of knowlledge.except pakistan all muslim countries of the world iincluding saudi arabia run on reason,not on religion.

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  • engrich

    Universities like AMU, Jamilia Milia, Hamdard have how many hindu students, and they are good universities

    in good facaulties percentage of hindu student is more than 50%.

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  • engrich

    what is wrong u bhadrlok ,chang ur skin like lizard to fool inians.40 yrs u became marxist to fight islam.did nothing for indians.enjoyed urslf.u are 13%.take 13%share of national wealth.
    u are looting india since arrival of britishers.u were their a$$ licker and bootpolishers.helped them to kill half the population of bengal bihar and orrisa in first 50 years of rule.
    muslims always change.for u people it is the same ,vivekanand,tagore and blood thirsty durga from 150yrs.no election ,no change in surrounding is bringing any social or mental change.
    poors of bangla desh is in far better position than poorsof wb

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  • RajX

    “To contend only a Hindu could be a true-blue Assamese is not just erroneous but goes against the grains of a ‘nation’ made up of — in Hazarika’s word’s – “na’na jaati, u’po jaati (a multitude of tribes)”

    Zia seems to slyly imply here that this is some sort of dominant thought among Hindus of Assam. Would anyone confirm if what he is saying is true?

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  • Anonymous

    Agent 001, license to unmask is back. Well well well, I always thought Zia was Bihari.
    Most likely that is 99.9% chance his parents or grandparents are from SYLHET IN BANGLADESH.Almost all illegal bangladeshi (BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS) in assam are from Sylhet WHICH IS AN ADJOINING STATE , which by a narrow margin went to became a part of bangldesh.
    Now Bhupen hazarika , Nobody knew who bhupen hazarika was TILL HE JOINED CALCUTTA YOUTH CHOIR run by kishore kumar’s first wife RUMA GUHA THAKURTA
    Apparently according to my aunt’s late husband , who had written an autobiography , assam was ruled by AHOM kings FROM THAILAND. hazarika was a title conferred on a person who was leader of an unit comprising 1000 adult men. The leader of 100 men was called saikia etc.
    Apparently sylhet was 100% hindu and several times DEFEATED MUSLIM INVADERS. One such invasion ,left two muslims abandoned, who were untouched by hindus. but these geezers HALALISED COWS IN THEIR SON’S WEDDING , so the bramhin priest ordered their hands to be chopped off. He left assam and first pleaded to the nawab of bengal to attack sylhet ,which was repelled by the hindu king.
    But when it went upto mecca and delhi a large contingent was sent to avenge the kaffirs. This time they won , converted the hindu king DOORBAR SINGHA to DURBAR KHAN. Now STATE SPONSORED CONVERSION WAS IN FULL SWING

    Bhupen hazarika had his indoctrination in left wing politics in calcutta , may well have graduated from cal university. He is regarded as traitor in calcutta , for the state catapulted him to what he became , yet during the AASU agitation , he had sided with the narrow parochial Assamese GADDARS , whose main ire was directed against HINDU BENGALIS, for they occupied all the prominent position in education and civilm administration.Also Assamese and bengali language is essentially same , to me it assamese is just a different bengali accent. the script is same , THOUGH IT IS UNLIKELY ZIA HAS READ ANY BENGALI LITERATURE ,OTHERWISE HE WOULD BECAME A LIBERAL HUMANIST AND PROBABLY ATHEIST AND NOT THE CRYPTO MULLAH THAT HE IS

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  • tituraj kashyap

    Zia da, loved the piece.

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  • engrich

    Lets not forget, when Pakistan backed terrorists raped, killed Kashmiri Hindus in the late

    this is a lie submit any proof.

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  • Anonymous

    Be a guest and do not cross line.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UIM2IANIZE2LMGSWZDDN42JFEY overdriven

    reservation must be cancelledd

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  • RajX

    Interesting. Can you explain your theory about the duality of his personality?

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  • http://twitter.com/rapidanalysts balakrishnan

    what i see here is in the blog all talk about past. past is gone and it is yesterday. Past follies still over rule the mind of people.Today we live. We do not know who tomorrow. So talk everything relevant of today.
    Today everything is dicey. No one knows how things will shape as economy is faltering.
    Every one is an economist today. Every one knows economics.Every one thinks this is right and that is wrong though he is himself is fully aware that he is confused.
    Living people think it is money only. Nothing else.
    Money sans real natural resource like food items is a big nothing.
    Money buys things at un-affordable rates create the serious problems on confused thinking.
    Some think reservations alone can solve, in fact utterly untenable.
    Say you get reservations and get money and one day resources like food grains become so costly that your money cannot buy, let us say, what money achieved for you!
    That kind of thing is not far off.
    Today people build houses and flats by converting agricultural lands into non agricultural.If no one likes to do agriculture let us assume here from you will get food items it is like John Marshall said you have one million pounds on hand to pay for a bread in African desert but no bread then what you will do will one million pounds. That stage is your economic planning leading to. How reservations are going to help, do we think at all ?
    So we should be prudent. Understand what can buy what is essential paradigm for man.
    if no answer then he dies in hunger living in a palatial building without food. Palatial should mean that you have everything in plenty but that is not true. You have car no petrol or diesel, what use?
    you have fire wood or fuel but no food how will you live?
    you have medicines but no basic food to be nutrition what use?
    Do we really think? You have planes and fuel but no food on flight what use it is?
    You have no clothes to wear, though you have a lot of money can you live in cold climate?
    think you will find like this quite a lot of things, what will you do with that useless money? What use it is to have reservation of food when no food is there?
    So essential thing is food at all costs but we concentrate on things that is no food at all.
    What earthly use is government monetary economic growth policy without food to eat and just to live?
    So it is high time we have to generate real food for life and living. If that is possible then any economic growth is meaningful for any religious follower or any backward or minority community.

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  • http://twitter.com/rapidanalysts balakrishnan

    Let all of us really join together to produce real food for eating and then living is meaningful, after all more and more mouths are added day by day whether one like it or not. No point in wasting time on dry issues, for that illogical discussions may cause some Sabarmati express problems but realistic approach will be real Narmada river of life of perennial sustenance.
    Life is in body if there is food to eat. No use of dry talks and irrational philosophizing. Life is to be lived meaningfully. It is no use of talk and growth without real food items on plate please.
    So politicians are warned that they should not play with lives of people of any community/ies for that will backfire very every one of them.

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  • jordan capri

    jordan capri…

    How many cows come for Rs 100 crore? : Singly Political…