One man’s meat is another’s poison…



Travelling through Britain earlier this year, I had occasion to visit Bradford which is today almost entirely a Pakistani-Kashmiri settlement, with just a handful of Jews and Christians who still make their homes among the vast majority of Muslims.

Lunching at a restaurant named ‘Agra’, owned by a Sikh with Bangladeshi chefs serving up the most delicious savouries (the spiciest that I had had through that tour, though still not spicy enough!), I thought I had spent the nicest of afternoons discussing sub-continental politics with an array of Punjabis, Kashmiris and even Sindhis from across the border. They had made a good life for themselves in the UK, did not exactly care for India but did not love Pakistan much either. So we could hold reasonable debates with groups of people from the town – young, middle-aged and old, boys, girls, men and women – who could engage the visiting Indian journalists in intelligent conversation.

But as our bus pulled away from the town and I cast a last glance back at the majestic mosque that had recently come up in Bradford, I thought the British government was bending over backwards to accommodate their minorities. Of course, I was familiar with Southall and Wembley (which is full of Indian Sikhs and Gujaratis) from earlier visits. But while I felt comfortable at the sounds of loud Bollywood music blaring from various shops and restaurants in Southall and was delighted to discover all manners of typically Indian cooking instruments in a shop in Wembley, my interaction with the people there was nothing compared to those living in Bradford.

The latter were clearly aware of their rights and asking for more. The recently issued `stop and search’ orders by the British government had bothered them a lot but they were coming to terms with it and there was a lot of stress on being allowed to wear their traditional attire to work.

Of course, I believe Britain has done a better job of accommodating their Muslim citizens than France has with its own – Paris has been rather ham-handed about scarves and burquas (women in Bradford, I saw, donned both as well as jeans and skirts), but still I felt that, as liberal as I pride myself on being, I could not have sat by quietly and watched any Indian town being deliberately settled by one community or the other, either by enforced demographics or just plain gerrymandering.

I said as much to Peter Beckingham, the British Deputy High Commissioner in Bombay, who turned thoughtful at that and did not really offer me any real insights into the matter. But when I repeated my observations to my sister sometime back, she said, “That’s because the British government gets scared of any one who shouts them down. And with their Muslim parliament and all, British Muslims certainly have the government where they want it. I do not think Sikhs and Hindus are so privileged in the UK for they do not make themselves heard at all.’’

Not quite true, I told my sister, even if they are not shouting down either the Brits or the other minorities. For, more than a decade ago, I recall being in London when a delegation of villagers from Watford, where the Hare Krishna temple in the UK was situated in a manor house donated by the Beatles, had visited then Prime Minister John Major with a petition complaining that their Sunday morning sleep was disturbed every weekend with the clashing of cymbals and loud bhajans sung by devotees who made a beeline for the temple each Sunday. “They drown out even our hymns and sermons at church on Sundays,’’ they whined.

As I recall, Prime Minister Major turned them away, saying every one had a right to their own form of worship and if the non-Hindu residents of Watford did not like the bhajans, they could move out and resettle elsewhere. Cars of devotees of Lord Krishna continue to make for Watford every Sunday morning and the bhajans and cymbals continue to resound in the British countryside even today.

So I was very startled when early this week, Islamic preacher and televangelist Dr Zakir Naik was denied a visa by British authorities to visit the UK and I noted the change in the British attitude with interest. I do not know if I support that decision but I certainly was not surprised by it. I had occasion to meet Dr Naik in his early days as a preacher and I agreed with writer and columnist Sadanand Dhume (The Trouble with Dr. Zakir Naik) entirely in his assessment of what Dr Naik has since become.

Even then, in a rather civilised debate with me, Naik had given me a glimpse into the makings of an Islamic supremacist, telling me how scientific a religion his was and how Islam cared for the rights of women more than any other religion did. I recall arguing with him that while we may have gone by the Manu-Smriti for centuries, Independence had corrected the wrongs done to Hindu women over the millenniums and that now we were the complete equals of men in India — while the Indian Muslim woman was the most deprived of all Muslim women anywhere in the world because of the backwardness of the community and their insistence on standing by archaic laws which even the Pakistan Law Commission had corrected in favour of women in the 1960s.

And to his statement of the science within Islam, I pointed out that India – and by extension Hinduism – had given to the world Aryabhatta and the zero long before even the Europeans had got off the trees, Christianised and/or cleaned up their civilisation.

I never responded to any of his invitations to his lectures thereafter because I sensed he had the makings (and was at the beginnings) of radicalism but his education as a doctor armed him with enough intelligence to insult without giving offence or, indeed, in most cases letting the other know how he/she was being reviled for not belonging to Naik’s own religion.

So I was even more thrilled when on Thursday, a retweet on my Twitter home page turned up this message from noted lyricist Javed Akhtar (@Javedakhtarjadu): `Ask Zakir Naik in his “ideal society” will they allow an atheist to speak, if not how can he ask for this right from others.’ As unfussy and matter-of-fact as that.

I do not yet know the context for that comment but I am glad that there are rational voices among his own community that are taking Dr Naik on for his absolutely unacceptable views on various issues, including terrorism and for glorifying and lauding Osama Bin laden. I was also comforted by the fact that various groups of Muslims in Bombay had descended on the British Deputy High Commission offices – no, not to protest but – to congratulate the British authorities on denying him a visa and asking them to stand by their decision.

I agree with Dhume when he says rabid communalists on the Hindu side are shot down by liberal Hindus before they begin to spread their poison through society. I believe it is time that the moderate voices among Muslims now rise up, like in the case of Dr Naik, to similarly demolish the charlatans and pretenders among them. Or else the story of Nazi Germany where moderate voices remained silent as Hitler’s Brown Shirts ran riot will be repeated all over again, not just in India but across the world which Osama Bin laden desires to take over and crush underfoot!

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  • A.M.FAZIL

    Madame,
    People like Zakir Naik are the ones who ruin Islam. England did the right thing by denying such a dangerous fanatic a visa. Such venomous creatures,who give predominant consideration to destruct harmony among people, are not fit to be here on earth. You’re absolutely right – it’s time that our voices rose up against these cannibals. And I think India should take a decision at the earliest whether these savages have to be allowed to remain here or not.

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    rbs Reply:

    Agree, but who will prevail upon them

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    A.M.FAZIL Reply:

    So simple ! Human beings.

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    Amit Julka Reply:

    haha….although we have disagreed previously Mr.Fazil(remember the ‘beer n tea’ incident on Zia’s blog)….that’s quite a nice reply….lookin forward to more healthy debates….

    A.M.FAZIL Reply:

    What does this ‘haha….’ stand for,Mr.Amit?

    Sam Reply:

    Zakir naik is the true islam.

    if you do not like what he says, please show your basis for contrary logic.

    I bet people who condemn him do not have religious or islamic text background.
    They cannot win in a debate with him.

    they just wish Zakir keeps quiet and does not talk his beliefs.

    He is on a firmer islamic ground than other pseudo muslims.

    (his whole framework is faulty , as it does not support secular rights.
    it does not allow hindus/christians to build temples/churches..
    it does not allow muslims to leave islam…
    he is a supremacist, not because of faulty logic.
    but because he is truly following a faulty book)..

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    h mani Reply:

    Most people suffer some form of biases,and columnist are people too.They may be liberal leftist,and added to other sins,they maybe psydo-secularist.they cause damage,but not so muchas psydo-secular rulers.Tell me who did more damage -mr Nehru or a columnist?These rulers have done lasting damage than loud mouth Zakir Naik,more harm has been done to u.k. by converting part of london into worst gettos of kolcutta,and they think it is better than Paris,the France and the u.s. authority be damned and called worst names than the columnist took a pot shot at fFrance by louding u.k.U.k. is learing fast,you can not keep apeasing radicals,their demand only esculates,not deminishes with time.

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    Ashok Reply:

    :”Of course, I believe Britain has done a better job of accommodating their Muslim citizens than France has with its own – Paris has been rather ham-handed about scarves and burquas (women in Bradford, I saw, donned both as well as jeans and skirts), but still I felt that, as liberal as I pride myself on being, I could not have sat by quietly and watched any Indian town being deliberately settled by one community or the other, either by enforced demographics or just plain gerrymandering.”

    Oh yeah?

    Have you visited Kashmir, an Indian town, where ” Hindus have been deliberately and ethnically cleansed by Muslims by enforced demographics or just plain “gerrymandering.”

    “while the Indian Muslim woman was the most deprived of all Muslim women anywhere in the world because of the backwardness of the community and their insistence on standing by archaic laws which even the Pakistan Law Commission had corrected in favour of women in the 1960s.”

    You haven’t seen Muslims women in more than 50 Islamic countries where they have almost no rights, can’t drive, are forcibly married off and lead a life of worse than an animal.

    India is still far better because India is a democracy and law works though slowly.

    But Indian Muslims are not too far off as they want their women to vecome cattle and have no rights a la Shah Bano case.

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    Dev Saha Reply:

    I could not care less what a mad man thinks or preaches. Whether Brits treats Muslims better than French is another nonsense that people should not think too much about it. The bottom line is Muslims are their own worst enemies and nobody really wants them to settle in their country. How else can they make their messages more explicit? I am sorry to say that Islam is a problem and not a solution as many Muslims love to believe.

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    Ali Reply:

    Are you an agent sam?

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    Tapas Reply:

    I have seen what Zakir Naik preaches in Peace TV. Its just hatred. Over the year he seems to be more and more radical.

    His preaching has no respect for other religions. If you are Muslim and following Islam its great else you are not required in this world. This kind hatred that he is preaching is unwanted and dangerous. The worst part his he is not even sparing youngs boys of age of 10-11 with the hatred he is spreading.

    As far as Contrary logic Sam has asked for, I just want to say I’m non-muslim and I’m blesssed. I do not people like Zakir to teach me what religion I should follow.

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    neelkanth Reply:

    Tapas, I think you did not get what sam is trying to say. Sam is saying that moderate muslims will not be able to fight Zakir Naik because Naik is actually doing exactly what is prescribed in the koran. Ordinary muslims have no islamic ground to fight the clerics, and this is the problem. Read the last line of Sam before the bracket ends, and perhaps you will understand.

    Sam Reply:

    @neelkanth..

    yes moderate muslims are either in awe of Zakir,
    or upset with him (but dont know how to counter him).

    in a debate, there is an issue of “framing questions”

    once you frame the position or your logic, you can convince anyone within that frame.
    If he says, devout muslims should follow Koran fully…
    (all muslims agree)..
    then he will tell, christians/hindus cannot build their places of worship
    then he will say, people leaving islam can be punished for apostasy (by death)..

    moderate muslims have no way to refute him, unless they can disown koran.
    (which is not going to happen)..

    neelkanth Reply:

    “Faulty book” is putting it very mildly.

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    A.M.FAZIL Reply:

    O, Sam! You’re a genius ! Your ‘bracketed and not so bracketed statements’ are sure to thrill your breed ! And the way you ended it all was awesome! Only a great Arabic scholar like you can say all these. If Zakir happens to read you, he will make you his deputy.

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  • Anil

    for a change I have no bones to pick with your article fully agree. indian scualrati too treat refined loonies of jihadi persuasion with kid glove..already indian express has penned eidtorial denigrading britain supporting this clown..

    I have said in past and will reiterate again even the worst of loonies amongst5 rank of hindus like praveen togadia has enough sense to say’let us sit together and purge each other;s religiois texts from edicst that cud be insensitive to each other.”

    u can never imagine even the best of muslims echoing this kind of sentiment there is lies the difference

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  • bala srinivasan

    Bradford LUMB LANE is THE EPICENTRE&FUTURE CAPITOL of LONDONISTAN. it is nothing to do with the RELIGION of ISLAM but everything to do with the TEACHING/PREACHING of IT that is creating this US vs THEM clevage in 21st cent civilisation with ever increasing culture clash&with the rapid economic decline of UK&even EUROPE it is going to get nasty in europe.INDIA&INDIANS are well placed in that respect,even though they could improve on their POVERTY ALLEVIATION PROGRAMMES more to make INDIA SWARNABHUMI Which it truly is.

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  • http://tradersutra.com h.mani

    I have nothing to say,i do not believe radical islamist or psydo-secular have any difference,some time p-s- get up on the left side of the bed and sound reasonable,but don’t believe the change of heart.

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    Kishan Reply:

    If Dr Zakir Naik can freely teach his brand of Islam and Javed Akhtar his brand in India (India has a thousands year old tradition of accommodating even atheists) why can’t the British allow him for a few days, they have been teaching homilies to us communal Indians where communal riots break out with regularity.

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    h.mani Reply:

    Mr kishan,so u.k. must follow indian way?what does it achieve,more radicals bombing subway,more dear ones killed,you will be careful mouthing off liberal garbage if one of your got killed,think before you write,blogging does not give licence to say what comes to confused mind.It is the the job of u.k. authority to monitor people spreading venom,india does not do its job well so there is more mumbai subway bombing and 26/11,it is not something to be proud of.Mr naik is a Indian,u.k. is not bound to give visa to allow him to spread hate.get it?

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    Abdul Reply:

    Thankx Neel, See your views are also the same you are also defending your religion so what is the diff….(so in your view if u dont win just oppose it right, good policy) and you said 9 out of 10 attacks are done by muslims, I think you need to check your facts first and than blame, and have you read the quran, and show me a single verse unequivocal where it says fight. just blaming Islam like opposition in the Govt whether govt does good or bad opposition has to criticize it.

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    neelkanth Reply:

    No I am not defending my religion. Hindus do not need to keep convincing people that it is a religion of “peace”.
    9 out of 10 CONFLICTS in the world on average do involve muslims, open your eyes . I can give you a list, but no point upsetting you.
    It is not just hindus and hindu politicians who have a problem with muslims, people all over the world have an issue with muslims. And still you play the victim mentality. No point talking to a muslim I guess.

    Anyway, here are the verses either to kill non muslims, or plain supremacist intolerance, or innumerable verses that say that non muslims go to hell. Dont tell me to paste those, must be more than 500 in the koran and hadith combined.

    009.029
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters,) hate (it).

    Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
    Narrated Ikrima:
    Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”

    Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25; Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.”

    Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
    Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
    Narrated ‘Abdullah:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.”

    If you want more proof of intolerance, I can keep pasting no problem. Remember this is not just me, people worldwide are pointing to a lot of valid things in Islam. So dont tell me to study the koran, you study it yourself.

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  • Sanjay

    Afer hearing Zakir, on his elaborations on sciences and religionsone can only say, that this guy has the intelligence of a sixth grader, and the only oustanding ability he possess is Memory. All his talks contains an effort to establish the superiority of Islam over other religions. With his wicked intention, he find faults with other religion scriptures while justifies even the most rediculous practices in Islam. And the feat he proforms can be done by any clowne, who only has to have a good memory and wicked intention.

    The problem with the Muslim preacher like Zakir is, they hardly talk about Universal values,like union and harmony with other religions, but only insist on uniquness of their identity. Never do they attempt to find similarity but difference with others.

    As scriptures are nothing but interpretations, anyone can interpretate it in the manner he likes. The role of a true spritual man or preacher should be to interpretate his scriptures in establishing and promoting universal values, not insulting other scriptures. Zakir is like the one Kabir said about, A hypo, who has memorized all the scriptures but never understood the essence of it.

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    Abdul Reply:

    Mr. Sanjay, I think you have not watched his speach on of similarities between Hinduism and Islam at Mumbai and he is giving references of the books of particular religion and if u have doubt ask directly in his programs as it s always open question and answer session. why still no one from other religion (top brass like Pandit and Pop has not taken any objection to his speeches), simply because they don’t know even their religion but when somebody knows his own religion your kind of people without understanding the point just level allegation without any proof. and he always says its his opinion and it does not mean that everybody is agree upon like sujata is disagreeing on him. and who is this Javed Akhtar, ask him he knows anything about Islam(ask him only about films and gana bajana like he is). and everybody remember 26/11 because this was done by few bullshit Pakistanis(specially muslim names comes) (Give kasab capital punishment for his crime) but no one remembers naxals who is killing everyday (read todays times of india they killed more than 10000 people) and no one bother to talk about that why this double standards.

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    neelkanth Reply:

    I have seen Zakir Naik’s speeches, and they are ridiculous if not shameful and dangerous. You must be one of the half educated people in his audiences who are highly impressed with his “logic”. It definitely seems so from your language. Anyway, even pakistani muslims can see through Zakir Naik’s bullshit. Too bad about people like you.

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    Abdul Reply:

    its not question of whether i m impressed or not but question of double standard, if Muslim does something (alleged) wrong every one will highlight it but in case of other every body would be mum. why this double standard……

    neelkanth Reply:

    Abdul, it is not about double standards at all. It is perception about muslims that has built up collectively for the last 1400 years. Why do you think most non muslims throughout the world have a problem with islam? The problem with islam is that your religion sanctions violence against other people. 9 out of 10 conflicts in the world involve muslims and it is because they ARE muslims. Muslim terrorists are instructed by the koran to fight others.
    Why do you think muslims now have to keep repeating that islam is a religion of peace? Why do muslims such as you have a victim mentality? It is because the islamic community is facing a reaction to all its violence. The fact is that islam desperately needs to be reformed, but people like Zakir Naik are blind acceptors of islam. They are the enemies of non muslims, and consequently enemies of muslims. As long as the koran says that islam is the supreme religion and all others are inferior and the koran is perfect, this conflict will continue. Violent confrontation with other people is inevitable wherever islam goes.
    And about your statement that people don’t argue with Zakir Naik because they don’t know their own religion, well my friend, that is a laughable statement. Zakir Naik is a supremacist and he is not worth arguing with. It is like arguing with a dog who will keep barking the same thing. Please understand that I am not trying to insult you or your religion, it is a larger and more serious issue than that. Islam has a lot of good, but a lot of bad as well, and the bad needs to be deleted.

  • Din

    Sujata does not know about muslim mind.She is a pseudo.

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    Vikram Reply:

    And what is the Muslim mind ? Does Zakir Naik know it ? Muslims are better off emulating Javed Akthtar than Zakir naik.

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    Ali Reply:

    Tell me if you know Muslim mind

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  • syed

    @Sujata,

    You speak from a position of incomplete knowledge regarding doctor naik. If you check your records you will find that the muslims in Lucknow had banned the good doctor from entering lucknow well over an year prior to this british ban.

    Indeed a great many are critical of him for his asinine comments.

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  • Concerned Indian

    An excerpt from Nakir Zaik’s lectures:

    Brothers and sisters, sisters and brothers, a Christian brother in the audience asked me about a Hindu sister who has a Mormon brother who wants to marry a Jewish sister, but the Jewish sister, like my Christian bother eats non-halal chips! Well, my Christian brother, it is clear that your religion is weak, as is the religion of my Hindu and Jewish sisters, and the religions of all my non-Muslim brothers and sisters and sisters and brothers in the audience, because eating non-halal chips and chewing on non-halal pencils makes them weak. They have only sin on their minds, darkness in their hearts, and chips in their bellies. So, basically, brothers and sisters and sisters and brothers, what I am really saying is that we Muslims are actually a race of Übermensch supermen! Here, check my biceps.
    By Nadeem F.Paracha, a Pakistani freelance journalist in the Dawn

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  • Abdul

    My Dear, regarding your quote of 009:29, read the 009:25 to 29 (the purpose of that fighting) please dont quote out of context , that was war between makkans and muslim and but natural in any war any army chief will order for fighting the nemies. In the same way you are quoting Saying of the Prophet out of context, Understand the subject first of the sayings and than quote. I am clear of my belief. the same thing is happening to Dr. Zakir Naik. (for examplee like Lord Krishan tells Arjun to fight his cousins in the Mahabharat, I hope you have read the Geeta as you have studied the Quran), Regarding 009:33 that verse is correct, not in old days but today non muslim detest it.

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    neelkanth Reply:

    Good god, you refuse to see it don’t you? The difference here is that hindus understand the metaphorical meaning of the bhagwad gita and don’t go about trying to convert people or claiming the supremacy of hinduism. Hindu philosophy makes the idea of conversion unnecessary, whereas the fact that islam tries to convert people shows its philosophical and spiritual deficiencies.

    And about your comment of taking it out of context, that is ****. There are hundreds of such supremacist verses. Adolf hitler could not have done better. Even you accept 09.33 which is supremacist bullshit. What about the last verse? Killing non muslims does not deserve punishment? The Koran divides the world into muslims and non muslims and says that islam is superior. Once you believe you are superior, it is only one step away from violence, and that is exactly what has happened with the koran and muslims. It is full of verses which make non muslims inferior and destined for hell. 09.29 is completely in the spirit of the koran, “kill the infidels and non believers”. Supremacist! Understand the implications of the word? That is the root of all your problems.

    You say you know your faith, if that is so, why don’t you people follow some real islamic saints, instead of justifying scum like zakir naik, and all the violence and intolerance in the koran?

    Any how, since you seem to blindly accept everything in the koran, that means you are also a supremacist, and you think everyone else is going to hell. Right. What a waste of time. Good luck. By the way, I have seen a lot of intelligent pakistani muslims who seem to understand these issues. Really sad about indian muslims.

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    Abdul Reply:

    I told you about the last verse you are not reading the first few verses of 09:25 to 28 that is the purpose, now if i say fight your cousins from Geeta without knowing the purpose what would be the effect. So you never tries to understand the subject and quote out of context. So forget it.

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    Sam Reply:

    Koran is written after 150-200 years after death of Mo.
    who know what he said, or what was written.

    koran is not written as allah was giving his word.
    it is entirely plausible, it was not the same as Mo believes Allah told him..

    anyway koran has the concept of abrogation.
    the earlier verses are not valid, when a better (in their opinion) verse is given by Allah.

    also muslims are supposed to practice taqiyya when dealing with non-muslims
    (lying cheating everything is fine if done for propagating religion)..

    Abdul Reply:

    And when these other books are written, on the spot???????????????

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    Sam Reply:

    Koran is claimed as the final and last and the most perfect word from Muslim God.

    since muslims claim is the muslim god’s word

    i am showing that things may be recorded perfectly, as mere humans wrote it down after almost 200 yrs ..

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    Sam Reply:

    why dont muslims go back to just arabia and live in mecca/medina and practice their apartheid religion in those cities.

    since hindus/christians/jews cannot set foot in those cities, it will be a great thing.
    muslims got rid of them from those cities.
    now the rest of the world should confine muslims to those cities..

    then there will be peace on earth..

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  • Amit

    Yes, this is exactly what I wanted to hear. We cannot rely on knee-jerk reactions or constitutional changes. The change has to be more conclusive and should in turn transform majority of the individuals in society to look at women with respect. I hope this incident gives enough motivation to politicians to bring change what is needed and raise awareness amongst the people. My prayers to the victims.

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  • Cary

    Spot on !!
    in addition to implementing severe penalty laws against rape, ramping up police presence etc we need to bring a bigger solution to this problem by educating the society for treating women well and respect. If we work on the root cause we can avoid such instances on the first place. It needs big social reform and everybody has to participate.

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  • subhash

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  • Brown American

    Respect and dignity of female gender starts to diminish at conception in India. A majority of Indians want Boys. Girls are more victims of feticide and infanticide. A Gender ratio of under 900 for every 1000 boys in most states, shows the bias and discrimination that is inbuilt in the Indian society. What happened to Yoga Businessman Baba Ramdev, Social Activist Anna Hazare, Spritual Leader of BJP/RSS Swami Nithyanada? what happened to RSS, VHP, Shiv Sena? Did they condemn this R ape?

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  • http://twitter.com/culture_curate Nilofar Ansher

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    Why are we taking to the streets and talking about shaming society? Are
    we hoping that this collective outrage will shame the serial rapists of
    this world from committing the crime again? Do we think that our
    protests will instill fear in the future rapist? A regular guy, who goes
    about his work day, has a beer at night – or not – and while returning
    home to his parents, or hostel, or to his slum, or to his buddies, sees a
    girl – a teenage girl, or a middle aged woman, or an elderly lady, or a
    small child – and suddenly he is overcome with the impulse to rape them. Does he even think of his act as a crime?

    http://longformwriter.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/preaching-to-the-converted-protest-marches-outraged-placards-and-online-petitions-addressing-rape-are-not-talking-to-the-men-in-question-the-rapists/

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    I HAVE A QUERY TO CHETAN CHAUHAN,WHY THE MIND SET IN DELHI IS SO DIFFERENT WHEN COMPARED TO CALCUTTA?WHY DELHI HAS 10 TIMES MORE SUCH CRIMES-RAPES ( DELHI -600 PER MONTH TO 62 IN KOLKATTA)?
    THERE IS A SAYING IF CRIME PAYS ,PEOPLE COMMIT CRIME.ON TOP OF IT ,WITH MONEY YOU CAN BUY EVERYTHING.CORRUPTION IS AT THE ROOT.
    I REMEBER WHEN S.K.PATIL WAS REMOVED BY NEHRU UNDER ‘KAMRAJ PLAN’,AFTER REACHING BOMBAY,IN A PUBLIC RALLY,HE MADE A STATEMENT,”PEOPLE TALK OF CORRUPTION ,WHAT CORRUPTION,IF YOU WANT TO SEE CORRUPTION ,COME TO DELHI.”
    HE WAS TAKEN BACK IN CABINET BY NEHRU.
    KOLKATTA DOESNOT WAIT FOR POLICE,PUBLIC CARRY OUT JUSTICE.
    PEOPLE WANT JUSTICE.THIS IS WHAT OUR KIDS ARE SHOUTING AT INDIA GATE.BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR PATHETIC PRIME MINISTER HAS GONE TO HIS HOME TOWN IN ASSAM ,I GUESS.
    WE GIVE JUSTICE TO TWO ITALIAN MARINES ,WHO SHOT DEAD OUR TWO COUNTRYMEN IN COLD BLOOD TO GO TO ITALY AND CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS AND NEVER COME BACK.
    IS THIS CONSIDERATION EVER EXTENDED TO INDIANS MR.SALMAN KHURSHID?

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  • Online Restaurants

    This type of vulgarity not in dress but it is set in mind.

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  • QBeee

    Its Christmas Eve…what would a Delhi girl ask Santa this Christmas…

    http://shaivikafunda.blogspot.in/2012/12/letter-to-santa-from-delhi-girl.html

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  • P Agrawal

    What can be expected from politicians when almost one-third of themselves have criminal record. One just have to read the statements given by various politicians of broad spectrum to see through their chauvinistic mind-set. Politicians and police who do not help or register cases against molestations and rape should also be tried for the same crime as the accused. All politicians with criminal record should be asked to resign and those with cases against them should be suspended until the cases are heard and settled. Police personnel should be tried for lapses and charged as criminals.

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    Sonali Reply:

    Justice
    I dont understand why the India Goverment waited such a long time to take an action against such crimes. Police are also to be blamed for their ignorances when thousands of reports made against various cases, they are suppose to safe guard the public especialy women but they did not take any actions to all the reported cases and this incident will be a good lesson to all the Police Dept & Politicians in India. If only the actions was taken earlier, this poor girl will not been a victim today……..By hanging the 6 evils is not a great punishment, they should be tortured before the final punishment……India Govenrment & Police Depts,forget about earing assets than concentrating in human life. You should be embarrased of all the violences happening in your own country and yet you people can’t find a solutions to all the crimes…….May the God Save India…

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  • Facebook

    Indians still continuing the animal culture. Delhi gangrape is the best example of that. Tom USA

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  • Hima Bindu

    hatsoff girl for ur courage battle..may ur soul rest in peace..

    but we know until those country brutes (who tortured u and killed) hanged
    till the death u will not have peace. Un jaanvaro ko utna hi torture karna jitna
    unhone is ladki ko diye the..they should know the pain, they should pay for what
    they did to the girl..Not only those ******** but for all whoever rape a lady or
    a girl should be sentenced to death.This is the ONLY solution. Until this law
    introduces in our Indian Judiciary there will be no end for the rapes. And I
    urge u Police of all the parts of our country please accept the complaints of
    girls no matter they are of eve-teasing, raging or rapes please responed and
    show quick action on that.But we all Indians demand u to kill those six ********
    in public torture them by any means but should know the pain in the same way
    what they gave to her, No matter there is a minor in the group,even if he is the
    minor y that sick fellow did this,he is no more a minor he is very matured so he
    have friends like that street dogs, i mean the remaining fellows, they are more
    than the wild animals by just covering themselves with human face. HANG THOSE
    SIX PHSYCO’s IMMIDIATELY.

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  • Dr.Yogesh Sharma

    1.
    The cases in which the victim dies or
    get serious injury, in such cases the rapist/rapists should be given Capital
    Punishment. The victim must be given a suitable government job and Rs. 20 lakhs
    as compensation.

    2.
    The cases where the rape is committed
    in a forced, ruthless and violent manner but the victim does not die nor gets
    serious injuries, the rapist/rapists should be given life imprisonment and
    chemically the rapist should be castrated. He must be fined according to his
    financial status but not less than Rs.10 lakhs. The victim must be given
    government job and Rs. 10 lakhs as compensation.

    3.
    In other rape cases where blackmailing,
    threat, allurement, false promises etc., methodology has been used the rapist
    should be awarded at least 10 years imprisonment. The victim should be given
    government job and 5 lakhs as compensation.

    4.
    Charge sheet must be filed within 7
    days. If the concern officer fails to adhere to the time limit, he should be
    dismissed from the job. Zero tolerance must be there.

    5.
    Only women police officers should
    investigate rape cases.

    6.
    Hearing of the rape, molestation, acid
    throwing cases must be held on the day to day basis.

    7.
    District and Session level judge must
    decide the case within 3 months. If the judge fails to decide the case within
    the given period, he must be dismissed from the job.

    8.
    High Courts and Supreme Courts Judges
    also must be given only 3 moths jointly to deliver the judgment. If they fail
    to deliver the judgment within the stipulated time they should also do not be
    given any promotion, increments or any other consequential benefits.

    9.
    If at any level any lawyer/legal expert
    is found guilty of using delaying/prolonging tactics, his license/registration
    should immediately be terminated and a fine of Rs.5 lakhs must be imposed.

    10.
    If police gets concrete/solid evidence
    like CCTV footage, witnessed by responsible citizen such as Class I & II
    Officer, Gazetted Officer, Army/Air Force/Navy Officers, Doctor, Professor, Scientists,
    Professionals of some reputed groups such as Tata, Birla, Ambani, Hinduja,
    Caterpillar, Facebook, Twitter, etc., of eve teasing, molestation or harassment
    the criminal must be publicly flogged and be paraded with face blackened. In
    such cases the criminal must be given 3 years imprisonment and at least 1 lakh
    fine after summary trial.

    11.
    If any person throws acid or harm
    physically on any girl it should also be treated at par with rape and in the
    same manner the criminal must be punished and the victim must be given a
    government job with 10 lakh compensation.

    12.
    If any crime is committed against women
    such as rape, eve teasing, molestation, acid throwing and the concern police
    officer fail to identify and arrest the culprit, the police officer must be
    dismissed from the job.

    13.
    Police and judicial reforms should be
    done as early as possible.

    14. Justice department must have
    an all abiding calendar on the pattern of academic/university calendar.

    15. As teachers/universities finish all the work within the
    date of academic/university calendar, similarly judiciary must stick to judicial
    calendar.

    16. Meritorious students should be appointed as judicial
    magistrates from the reputed law colleges through campus selection for speedy
    trials.

    17. As there is rampant absenteeism, corruption problem
    among judges and court staff, so to check absenteeism of judges and court staff,
    Bio-Metric machines should be installed to check their attendance/presence.

    18. CCTV Cameras should be installed to monitor the
    workings of judges, lawyers, and court staff and to check corruption.

    19. AS most of the judges and lawyers are academically very
    poor so in promotions their performance, merit, academic excellence, research
    work and published work should be checked to promote excellence as it is done
    in the promotion of University and College teachers.

    20. Academically poor judges, corrupt judges should be
    dismissed from the job after summary trial as the practice is in the Army.

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  • nida

    Why doesn’t d nation boycott d Republic Day
    celebrations in totality? Ensure a “NO SHOW”. Thy don’t wnt d citizens
    gathering evn for a peaceful protest, so why shud crowds gather to hear
    thm at their convenience?
    Let us be absent wen it matters most. Let d world get a taste of our disgust. Let us shame thm by playing their game.
    if u agree then pls share and spread the word…

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  • sourabh sharma

    you are so fortunate that u meet a living legend. it is my all time wish.

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  • Debarshi

    Kushwant and I ( not me ) :-)

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