A Happy Chinese Diwali!



“See!” my sister said, with a good deal of satisfaction that she had proved her point. “That is why I have been telling you for months that Raj Thackeray is right when he says locals should have first priority at jobs in their own home states. What is your reaction all about now if not a little leaf out of Raj Thackeray’s book?”

I had been reacting with horror to reports over Diwali that Chinese workers were coming to India in hordes on business visas and that the Indian government was beginning to crack down on them. “Why should we now import Chinese labour!!!” I had screamed. “What will happen to our own workers if they come as cheap as their goods!”

Of course, I was a little sheepish when my sister made out a case for Raj Thackeray. But, as I told her then, its not the same thing – Indians have a right to go anywhere within their country if they wish. But why should we have to put up with more of this Chinese nonsense?

Made in China Ganpatis with the trunk turning to the wrong side.

Made in China Ganpatis with the trunk turning to the wrong side.

However, the fact that that passing item on one of the news channels caught my attention at all was because of the big struggle I have over my lights and lanterns and images of Gods and Goddesses every Diwali. I split Diwali each year between my own home in Bombay and my mother’s in Nagpur. And as I am usually very busy at the time, I depend on my maid to do my Diwali shopping for me – mostly the lights and lanterns and the colours for rangoli.

Thankfully, the colours are still Indian but I have been increasingly annoyed over the years that my maid has been bringing me lanterns with dragons and Chinese damsels painted on them – that somehow feels a betrayal of Goddess Laxmi. Moreover, last year they shorted and blew my fuse. So this year, despite the fact that I was busy with the Maharashtra elections, I decided to take the time off and visit the crowded Diwali markets myself.

I discovered that my maid was not wrong when she said that there was nothing better on sale than those Chinese lanterns. No matter which part of Bombay I went to, the Diwali markets were flooded with Chinese goods and I just could not get a lantern that did not say, ‘Made in China’. So I decided to pick up a paper-and-cardboard star this Diwali that was most certainly made in India – by little girls in a bylane of Dadar in central Bombay, in fact. And so relieved was I at having got something Indian that I did not even care that parents had put little children to work to make a killing at Diwali – I decided I would rather that my money went to Indian children than Chinese prisoners who work almost for free and help China sell their goods so cheap.

But, then, when it came to the twinkling lights there was no way out – absolutely everything was Chinese. And though they came in pretty shapes like cherry blossoms, roses, plums with leaves and butterflies, they were all so fragile that they had to be handled with more than just care.

After scouring the Diwali markets, I thought I might find some Indian lights at my own electrician’s. But no such luck. “You will get nothing but Chinese these days, Madam,” he told me. “This is not like olden times when you could buy these lights today and hope to use them for the next five years without trouble. If these last you beyond this Diwali, you should consider yourself lucky that you could get more service out of them at the next. The third year, you will most certainly have to come back for a fresh series.”

Under the circumstances, I had to return to him thrice in the space of two days for the lights went kaput even as I was hanging them up – either the wires came out or the tiny bulbs just fused out. Neither I nor he could fix them again and I finally got them up on the fourth try after handling them like cream and butter.

“At least they were only sixty rupees each (for a six-metre length),” he said. “What more do you expect out of something that comes so cheap?” he asked.

“I would not mind paying even 600 rupees for them if they last me at least five to six years,” I said.

“Woh zamana gaya, Madam,” he said sagely. “Get used to a largely Chinese Diwali. In dinon Bhagwan bhi Cheen se hi aate hain!”

I knew what he meant but I still threw him a questioning look.

He pointed to images of Lord Ganesha and Goddess Laxmi – very colourful ones and ‘washable’ as he said – various points lit up and ‘Made in China’ labels at the bottom. “They sell like hot cakes during Diwali,” he said, adding that sometimes the Chinese get it wrong, like placing Lord Ganesha’s trunk towards the right when it should really turn to the left. “We then have to return those batches because no one wants them. But by and large these are fast-moving items.”

I decided to stick to my home-grown and Indian-made brass Laxmi and Ganesha. And I have finally discovered a shop that sells some very delicate looking but very sturdy and lit-up (though not twinkling) dragon flies — at Rs 900 for five-and-a-half metres. The sales man assured me they will light up my Diwali for at least five years. And what’s more — they are made in India!

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/expletive-deleted Kushal

    Jai Bharat!

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Well, Hindi-Cheeni are certainly not bhai-bhai any more, Bunny! And it kills me to go Chinese on Diwali but short of setting up manufacturing units myself, I don’t know what to do about it!

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    Kushal Reply:

    This year, we used terracotta diyas and cotton wicks and mustard oil… all Indian-made. I think.

    It was rather lovely.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Yes, a traditional Diwali is so lovely. We used terra cota, too. Though the oil was til

  • Atul

    I am surprised that no one has reacted to this so far!!

    We have had political debates galore on Indo China relations, but not a peep when it comes to fundamental issues like paying another country to celebrate your own cultural traditions!!

    I had mentioned on Yashpal’s blog sometime ago that we need to so a series of well researched articles on how the Chinese are slowly creeping into our lives. This is one clear example, and there are many many more.

    One wonders why India refuses to get out of this slumber. Convienence? Or just plain lethargy?

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    I think it is a bit of both. And by the time we wake up we will be fully invaded by the Chinese, in a different way. Though I am happy to see our government taking them on politically by telling them off over Arunachal Pradesh and the Dalai Lama — the Chinese did back off!

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  • http://satiricalcitizen.blogspot.com Rupa Gulab

    For the last 3-4 years I’ve been screaming from the rooftops abt the cheap Chinese shit that’s flooding our markets. I carefully check EVERYTHING I buy for Made in China labels – am certainly not letting China take money from me. Not when they’re acting so greedy about our land!

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    I do, too, Rupa, in most things. But with these lights, there’s no way out. I am seriously considering setting up a cottage industry to manufacture things as pretty but sturdier and very Indian…

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  • Diwakar

    The Chinese have crept into the country not only through Arunachal and ‘executing’ projects in POK, but through flooding of the markets with all types of goods. They have now invaded into our own traditional items. As long as we are purchasing their items and our own goods are shunned for different reasons, it will result into larger problematic issues in the future.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    When I was doing up my house, I followed the advice of my interior designer and eschewed everything Chinese for not just nationalistic reasons but also, frankly, commercial ones –he told me if I buy Chinese, I would be replacing my A/Cs and tiles every alternate year, if I stuck to Indian, they would last me at least ten. And my Marwari businessman friend’s advice also proved sound — mehenga toh roye ek baar; sastaa toh roye baar, baar. I would rather shed tears on Indian goods than the Chinese ones and these lights that I have to buy four times over each Diwali prove him right. BUT WHERE ARE THE INDIAN ONES?!!!

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  • Jagdeep Singh

    Entire US is flooded with Chinese goods. But all these goods work, and work well. Even Duracell batteries sold in the malls of US are from China, and they work. This is because thier traders do not compromise on Quality of products. Our Indian traders (middlemen) only work on cost and not quality. They go to china and bargain hard on cost but give no importance to quality. Chinese will lower thier quality as the cost goes down and give you value for your money only.

    Indian also prefer to buy things cheap even knowing that they may not last long. They want to change for a new design next year rather than use the same old stuff for years (Earlier a family car would last for 15 – 20 years, today models are chaged after 5 – 7 years).

    Branded goods, even electronics, are expensive in China than that sold in India. There is a big unoroganised sector manufacturing in China which makes these sub standard products which Indian traders prefer to go. Our unorganised sector too is large, but due to its inefficiency, archaic labour laws, poor infrastructure provided by the Govt. and the tax structure they cannot compete with the chinese low cost products…….

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  • Rajen Kaushal

    If we think more on patriotic grounds, at least we should avoid entry of at least idols of gods made on foreign soils not maintaining any sanctity. However, it is also wondering how China is able to offer to light strings at Rs. 40-50/- Since I am in international business arena, I understood that these lights are available in China at Rs. 10/= per pc which is brought to India and sold ranged from Rs. 40-100/-

    I had been using some Chinese lights for 4-5 years and they are working fine unless stretched or badly handled.

    There should not be sentimental factor for local goods if we can get much cheaper items from abroad. There should be some norms to fix the profitabilities for the business houses for making profit levels otherwise, if layman does not know, he can be cheated to any extent. Law course is so long that by the time you get justice to fix lootings, it loses the meaning.

    So, we should be careful to buy things and do not mind to take foreign brands if cheaper and more durable.

    Indians are not setting any standards for quality otherwise, if you see everything going to America is ensure proper value for the money. We also need to bring in such things to improve consumers confidence. There is people did not buy Indian sweets because of so heavy adulteration reported in media. So, our festive spirit can also be measured?

    I am 42 years and still feel that unless we buy top brands, otherwise, we are looted since childhood.

    Thanks

    Thanks .

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  • http://digitalblogindia.in Kunal

    Many like you say that Indians can go and work anywhere in India – that’s not absolutely true. I agree that this applies to white collar jobs, but not to blue collar jobs under a specific annual income. This causes unnecessary governance nightmare. Also many jobs, even admissions to colleges are based on domicile of that state. Imagine all the engineering admissions for India being available to anybody from any state. Unnecessarily students will have to compete with interstate students, stay away from their families, spend money renting house someplace else. The IIT’s and REC’s are open but it doesn’t make sense to open up all university colleges. Similary for many jobs a domicile is required. People from other states come and get fake domiciles to get jobs.

    Example of fishing. Fishing licenses are restricted so as to achieve sustainability. Lot of UP/Bihar people are migrating, getting fake fishing licenses and this has caused a lot of anger among the koli (fishing community) in Maharashtra.

    And besides this, it’s not just the quota Shiv Sena is angry about. Migrants show excessive cronyism when they have to offer jobs in their departments, businesses etc. Also the central government has powerful North Indian lobby, which makes sure jobs go to their people in other states as well. A classic example is of railway jobs in Maharshtra being advertised only in newspaper of Bihar. That’s just tip of the iceberg though.

    I do think below a certain income range, the jobs should be alloted to locals of that state. If not the government of India has to allocate more funds to the host state to provide jobs for people from poor states. As we know, that doesn’t happen. Maharashtra always gets the least income back as compared to how much it puts in.

    Just because of the animosity towards the Thackerays, do not miss the real problem because of the economics of migration. The root of the problem is the Bimaru states. Fix them and the migration issue won’t exist

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  • http://digitalblogindia.in Kunal

    And your sister was right, if Indians can go work abroad, why cannot the Chinese work here ? If Americans, Europeans and Australians have to compete with Indians who migrate to those countries, we shouldn’t Indians compete with the Chinese ? According to your logic, shouldn’t the world be open for everyone to move about ?

    Even the US and Australia changes migration policies when the locals do not get jobs. I agree in India, it’s one country but its easier if states have rules and govern themselves. It’s much easier that way. You don’t have to emotional that we are one country etc. It’s a very big country. Just borders and rules are needed for governance.

    I even say that Mumbai should have rules for outsiders coming in. When i say outsiders it doesn’t mean non-Maharshtriaans..i even want Maharashtrians to be included in rules when it comes to coming and settling in Mumbai. That’s not because i dont like outsiders, it’s just become a necessity for planning the city, and it will encourage the goverment to create new urban townships. If you just allow people to come in, you end up with 5000 people in a train which can carry 1300. This might sound rude…but you cant be emotional about this.

    It;s like traffic..if you do not have proper rules in place, it creates havoc.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    The EU itself is reeling under the recession with many countries facing the music and the better ones struggling to maintain its own pace. We have seen what has happened to the Euro. Enough lessons therein for South Asia to learn from.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Stunned silence to your article – because people are as dumb-stuck by the turn of events in Iraq & Afghanistan as the Nato forces operating over there. One most unfathomable and unintended benefit of these interventions was that the brutal excesses of the occupying forces over their vanquished quarry was that it jolted the Arabs to take to the much-fancied Arab Street and usher in the Arab Spring. Totally unintended, still an of-shoot of the intervention and subsequent excesses comitted by the Occupation.

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  • Endymion

    Well I don’t follow the intricate details Afghanistan for years but is was a refreshing read. Thoroughly enjoyed reading and specially the line “Generals, who apparently outnumber tanks in the top-heavy British army, have declared every year as the “decisive year” in Afghanistan since 2003″ brought a chuckle .

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  • http://twitter.com/LucyPhilips1 Lucy Philips

    Good article,l really hope the lndians would read this and realise what they are doing wrong,because l think the problem with people are being racist towards other people is that they dont put themselves in the persons shoes. The lndians have to change or better still they should never travel out of lndia if they feel they are more righteous than the rest of the world.

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  • Establisher

    Yup I am Indian and racist.I keep that attitude ,not because I discriminate on the basis of ones skin tone or hair texture,but because I am Indian.I am the true root of the oldest civilisation in the world.We have never hurt anyone or stolen anybodies oil, we gave this world geometry, math , science, Yoga,medicine and the art of sensuality.I am a vedic Aryan and I cannot see some white neaderthal claim cultural equality with me,why?, because they dont have a culture, and as a collective lot,the anglo saxons are barbaric ,uncivilised resource munchers and deceivers.If you observe the news, these mlecchas and uncivilised varghas have no sense of morality or justice, they just want to keep ripping apart the life of mother earth, afflicting many an innocent people,fighting the weak and what not.Our dharma is not theirs, neither can we adjust to their self deception.And whites shouldnt be talking about racism, these mlecchas and uncvilised neanderthals who came out of their caves in the recent past when the romans arm twisted them, are the patrons of black slavery.In the least, we just treat you as uncvilised mlecchas , or in other words, unevolved races and not kep you like a dog, how you afflicted the blacks.Dharam, righteousness, justice, culture, truth and peace.This is what we stand for.

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    Wakjob Reply:

    But you love stealing millions of jobs in the west because you are unemployed at home. Never hurt anyone? You’d better think again.

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    Wakjob Reply:

    Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Apple – Indian national and former Goldman Sachs board member Rajat Gupta charged with leaking Intel and Apple secrets over the phone.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Barclays Bank – UK executive management was corrupted by Shriti Vadera, the Indian-origin economist. His advice led Barclay’s CEO and other execs to rig Libor interest rates.
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    Cisco – destroyed by Indian labor, laid off 55,000 in 2012, going down the drain.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Duke University – Massive scientific fraud by Indian national Dr. Anil Potti discovered in 2012.
    Enron, WorldCom, Qwest, and Tyco all hired large numbers of foreign workers from India before their scandals.
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    Goldman Sachs – Kunil Shah, VP & Managing Director – GS had to be bailed out by US taxpayers for $550 BILLION.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    IBM bill collecting system for Austin, TX failed in 2012 written by Indians at IBM
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Intel – Trade secret stolen by Indian national Biswamohan Pani in 2012.
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    JP Morgan – Outsourced subsidiary & IT integration to India in 2009 for $400 million, lost $2 billion in 2012.
    Kodak: Outsourced to India in 2006, filed for bankruptcy in Jan, 2012.
    Lehman (Jasjit Bhattal ruined the company. Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    London Olympics 2012 Security – Botched by India’s G4S
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIPS – Taken over by Indian national Sandeep Vij in 2010, being sold off in 2012.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
    Nomura Securities – (In 2011 “struggling to compete on the world stage”). No wonder because Jasjit Bhattal formerly of failed Lehman ran it. See Lehman above.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Reebok – Massive fraud and theft in India second in size only to Satyam fraud
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of New York – Hired Indian-infested CSC in 1998 to build a new system, was 33 months late and $166 million over budget, a cost overrun of 47 percent. And then the system failed. So much for “they can do it better, cheaper, faster”. CSC also holds the sole contract for NC’s Medicaid system redesign. That project is hundreds of millions over budget and years late. India, Inc. is taking its time to maximize the amount it can grift out of America.
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    US Navy F-18 jet crashes into Virginia apartment building on 4/6/12 after outsourcing F-18 work to India’s Tata.
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    I could post the whole list here but I don’t want to crash any servers.

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    jetjam Gk Reply:

    dude i could make up a list exactly like yours about white people.

    people will always do stuff like that because its part of human nature.

    you cant judge just one group of people. any one could have done

    those things and it wouldnt matter if they were indian, white, black,

    chinese, australian, mexican, portugese, japanese or any color or

    background. indians probably are racist but people are starting to

    learn that its wrong and they are going to something about it.

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  • Establisher

    Na, Indians dont treat white people as anything, you are not a bone of contention at all.Average Indian family in the US – 88,000 Dollars.Average neaderthal family – 35,000/year.To date a white man is like cultural suicide for an Indian, to marry a White girl !!!.Wow, Moms gonna commit suicide.Aryans dont worship anyone but themselves and we dont let whites or blacks into our circle.Nice try though.

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    Wakjob Reply:

    Indians in the US have high incomes because they took over all the high-paying IT jobs that whites created, not because you are smart. Whites created IT long before Indians ever set foot in USA. We created it, you took it over. That is how Indians operate – unable to invent or create anything for yourselves you wait and take over what others have created. Indians are parasitic locusts who consume and destroy everything they touch.

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    AJ Reply:

    “Wakjob” Nice name btw=p , Indians invented Zero and the Decimal sytem. Need i say more?Dont we code in 0 and 1s?I am white american btw lol, Didnt we also invent the Nukes? look what we did to the Japanese? Indians are great ppl just like us, they are just filling a gap, we dont make enough engineers man, sad reality/

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  • Nonsense

    ‘The begger’s are racist’..I would guess the reason they target white people is because they know the rich Indians don’t give much. Fact is the level of stereotyping (racism is a wrong word, and hence the whole article should be reworded) of this woman, which amounts to slight irritation but to no lack of material wants (like not being hired or socially despised), is nothing compared to what Indians face due to actual discrimination worldwide. Fact is Indians have internalized western racism and hence treat whites more favourably than themselves (and true blacks are perceived worse) which is a shame. Indian tourist sites charging extra for foreigners is akin to foreigners charging indians greater fees in their universities and hospitals and so isn’t relevant point in this discussion of racism. The fact is that white people often take advantage of this internal racism. It is sad that they are so blind to it.

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  • ABCI

    I am a proud ABCI/coconut who is ashamed of my Indian roots because PIO’s especially those of NI origin are the most racist people on the planet. Go to any country with an PIO population and you will be shocked at the way they talk about people of SI or African origin – just check out the comments by Sameer for example. Also in Fiji and African countries the PIO’s segregate themselves from the locals and are hated. In western countries thy lick the asses of white people but treat blacks and other dark skinned asians/PIO’s like ****.
    Oh and to the commenter Sameer, I live in Sydney and can tell you that most Indian students are racist Punjabi’s including those that ran back home to their mummies.

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    Wakjob Reply:

    Indians are “a slippery, treacherous people”, said the late US president Richard Nixon.

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  • ABCI

    I live in Sydney and can tell you that most Indian students are racist Punjabi’s including those that ran back home to their mummies.

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  • Wakjob

    “there is a belief that white people get advantages”. Are you kidding? Indians have been given millions of the best IT jobs in USA FOR FREE which whites created. Indians have virtually taken over Silicon Valley which was created by white Americans. Indians are the most privileged group in all of America. No other race has had an entire industry pre-made by whites HANDED to them for free. Stop the racism and cribbing. Indians are so advantaged everywhere they go it’s not even funny. Yet you people still want more.

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  • Wakjob

    Millions of Indians are deliberately keeping white Americans out of jobs in the USA. Racist? That would be Indians, not whites.

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  • Wakjob

    Whites aren’t fond of Indians because you take over all the IT jobs we created and keep us out of jobs IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. It has nothing to do with your skin color you fool.

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    Lionel Proctor Reply:

    It isn’t the fault of the Indians if you guys can’t compete with them

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Babu-Rudeboy/100000323244832 Babu Rudeboy

    Yes Indians are most certainly racist. Gora and habshee and mooslims oh my! Most likely rooted in the self loathing stemming from the Raj as well as the EVIL varna (caste system).

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  • BlackFemaleExpat_Hyderabad

    I lived and worked in India for 6 years. I’m a black female. I have afro textured hair. I’ve always been heavy so I had no habit of wearing miniskirts or shorts even in the US. I wore loose-fitting salwars and ankle length skirts.

    After the first year or so, the comments I got, strangers touching my hair, led me to avoid all eye contact with males I didn’t know. I was pretty conservative and cautious while interacting with the male colleagues I did know.

    I once visited a dance club in Bangalore along with white expat colleagues. The guys were so excited because there was a bigger expat population in Bangalore than in Hyderabad. Some of the women there wore halter tops and shiny sandals. Even some of the younger Indian women wore tank tops and jeans. I had no ‘club clothes’. Western wear didn’t come in my size in India. I’m too large. I wore black slacks, flat sandals, no makeup and a black tee-shirt that was loose fitting. Still, I was approached by someone who after a few minutes of banal conversation, explained to me that price was no object.

    When I would meet people, I would briefly shake hands with but not smile at the males. I would speak and emote freely with the women and as extremely formal as possible with men. I didn’t want to be seen as unsociable but I felt I could benefit by not being friendly and esp by not being SEEN as friendly towards men in India.

    At one point, I spent 6 months walking to and from work. I would cross the street or duck into doorways when men were passing by or walking behind me. Even in a salwar, I could rarely fly under the radar. So, I felt it very important to make an exaggerated show of avoiding male contact. Maybe people thought me weird instead of modest. It was worth taking that hit.

    I often covered my hair because I felt it’s texture played a major role in attracting attention – Unfortunately, that gave the impression I was a foreign born black muslim woman – and increased police attention came my way.

    Some people have said that foreign women ‘earned’ the reputation we have. Others say that foreign men simply misunderstand various situations. I say they see us as a safe bet. There’s little to be lost by approaching us in ways we don’t like. After all, what do they care if they alienate us – esp as blacks. There’s no loss of face, the community won’t shun them for bad behaviour to a low status foreigner. In fact, the first question would be to me as a foreigner: “Where is your husband? Why are you not at home?” And for them there can be the Indian version of male high-fiving just for daring to approach a woman that way. It did seem to be a game for some.

    I remember once bicycling with a local cycling group and seeing kids make pig sounds as I passed by. A far cry from the evolved, ‘respectful’ stereotype my teachers and parents had taught me when referring to Asian culture.

    India is a fascinating country with lots of ancient knowledge, artifacts, architecture and other cultural resources worth preserving.

    But what I say most about the experience of living there is “It was educational” because I certainly learned my lesson while India.

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  • BlackFemaleExpat_Hyderabad

    “Most black people in America are ghetto” – of course we are Arnoldelango. And it’s not at all racist to believe we are, Sir.

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  • BlackFemaleExpat_Hyderabad

    Really? So movies excuse my being treated like a ***** even when my dress and behaviour are conservative and platonic?

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  • newsx

    Indians racist? What about Europeans who stole Indians’ money? What about turning India from the “Golden Bird” to developing country? What about European Imperialism that whites were superior? What about the sign “No Indians or dogs allowed” in public places in India? What about westerners who placed corrupt government in place while Europeans were leaving India? Racism? From more than 200 years India is poor because of your ancestors.

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    RamX Reply:

    India is poor because of how Indians have treated each other (caste, debt bondage, exploitation) for thousands of years.

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    anonymous Reply:

    bullshit it is british that exagerrated caste system. bullshit british. if india was poor brits would have never come to india

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  • newsx

    Dude, there was no racism until India was invaded by Europeans. Due to them, we lost self respect for ourselves and our culture. We are racist now unfortunately, but it is because of Europeans.

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    Lionel Proctor Reply:

    Actually that is because India was never a united country before the British arrived. The country they created was an artificial one which broke up soon after Independence with the Partition. Indians are after all made up of many different ethnic groups and are not a single ethnic group like the Chinese.

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  • George Walton

    I’m English and I’ve lived here for 11 years and you have no idea what’s its like to go to school here. I have never hit anyone, never abused anyone and have never said any arrogant comments to a teacher but still for some reason I visit the headmasters office about three every month and either get beaten with a stick or sent home. More than half of the time I don’t even know what it’s for. Mainly for small things like not bringing a pen etc. The stundents are even worse. I often get beaten up or being called “firangi” which is means white person, it’s just as bad as the “N” word in English it’s not a respectful word. If I try and talk to any Indian girls then they get harassed by everyone. I have made a few friends and big gangs have threatened to beat them up if they keep hanging out with me. i often get beaten after history classes about the British raj. Foreigner who come here haven’t got a clue about the fact they being abused in public as non of them can speak Hindi. Rickshaw drivers charge foreigners up to Rs200 for only 5 kilometres whereas the normal price is Rs5. You are right about the fact that beggars pick on foreigners more. What pisses me off the most is that these beggars respect rich Indians so much and they treat us like shite. I agree that some of the Bollywood movies are also towards westerners . They think that all westerners sex addicts especially because of these movies. No matter what people say about racism in the west it’s just as bad here and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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  • lenin

    i totally accept most of your points ..bollywood is a curse.. – from an well-educated indian..

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  • hell

    Periyar Maniammai University in Thanjavur-Tamil Nadu where they discriminate students from Kerala and other states.The staff treat students as slave because they are from other state and want to study.They don’t teach in this university and students just sit free.No proper examination system at all.University is just minting money don’t even care about the students. Many students have left Periyar Maniammai university when it was dilisted becauz of the torture they faced for being an other state student in everything.Periyar Maniammai University is worst university.Never should a student from Kerala dare to enter this palce.they don’t speak english but tamil and if some speaks engl tey laugh.Total a village where only students from village come and study, never join PERIYAR MANIAMMAI UNIVERSITY and spoil your life as we did in two years MBA department from kerala

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  • Lionel Proctor

    North Indians can be equally obnoxious with their loud public conversations in Hindi. They also have this annoying habit of expecting all South Indians to speak Hindi too.

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