So who really believes in Hindutva?



The kinds of responses that my colleagues Pankaj Vohra, Vinod Sharma, Zia Haq and I get to our liberal-minded writings on our blogs have convinced me that cyberspace has very nearly been captured by a host of narrow-minded saffron bigots who brook no difference of opinion, who have no rational argument to contradict our eclectic approach to the issues we write about and who, therefore, use abuse and denigration in the mistaken hope and belief that that is the best form of intimidation.

Jaswant Singh’s expulsion from the BJP for writing a book on Mohammad Ali Jinnah has served to reinforce the opinion that these cyber-bigots are only reflective of the rot that has set into the BJP — for the manner in which a senior leader like Singh was treated by his party stalwarts has been entirely graceless, immensely cowardly (could no one look him in the eye and so they sacked him on the phone?) and, I believe, a complete miscarriage of justice.

I must admit, though, that when I first heard Singh had written a book glorifying Jinnah, I wondered how any Indian, particularly of Singh’s generation, could ever consider Jinnah was good for anything. But then L K Advani had also certified Jinnah as secular — though others like us who are indeed secular and do our best, in our little way, to forge unity among the various peoples are labelled ‘pseudo-secularists’ by him and his kind (incidentally, I am proud to wear that tag). Obviously, in the BJP, what’s sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander. But when I got to think of it I realised I should not have been surprised.

For, for years now I have been coming across instances which convince me that not too many people in the BJP believe in their stated and avowed ideology. And, like Jaswant Singh said after his expulsion, it is all just a play for power (which, in itself, is as it should be but, I believe, should be based on more honesty).

At the risk of giving away some confidences, I would like to share with readers two stories that disillusioned me about the BJP long before the rot had set into their party. Both are incidents from around the time the Babri Masjid was demolished and both made me wonder what, then, was the demolition all about!

The first concerns Gopinath Munde. I was at the BJP headquarters in Bombay, chatting him up, when an office secretary came in and set a poll schedule for the coming elections before him. As he scrolled down the list of speakers/leaders who would campaign in his then Assembly constituency of Renapur, he startled me by springing to his feet and rushing to the other room to argue with the campaign managers.

“I do not want Sadhvi Rithamabara anywhere near my constituency!” he roared. “Cut her out. Give me some other leaders.”

When BJP workers protested and said she was a great orator, he said, “Great orator, yes! But if she sets foot in my constituency, I might lose the election. I will lose whatever little Muslim support I have but there is no guarantee that too many Hindu voters care for her kind of speeches, either. So spare me!”

I noticed that the Sadhvi did not set foot in Maharashtra that election and since then she is completely out of the BJP’s political circuit as well (though their other Sadhvi – Uma Bharti – did gain glorious heights before being marginalised).

I could not help asking Munde then, “Don’t you believe in Hindutva?”

He did not reply directly but what he said was illuminating enough. “I am in the BJP entirely because of Pramod Mahajan. He was a friend and now he is my brother-in-law. I would blindly follow Mahajan wherever he goes but I will not stand for Sadhvi Rithambara!”

Munde spoke from the heart and over the years I realised he did not really believe in the anti-Muslim rhetoric of his party, though he was very much in Ayodhya during the demolition of the mosque.

But it is the second story that completely turned me against the BJP’s public posturing. This is one I got from communist leader Subhashini Ali during one of her meetings in Bombay and I may have paid it scant heed had history not repeated itself a short while later. So, Dr Murli Manohar Joshi might well have been used to extolling the secular virtues of Allahabad University, as Ali said he had to her when they were both members of the National Integration Council. “He had even been proud that the university had given to the country such great leaders like Jawaharlal Nehru and Gobind Ballabh Pant,” Ali had said, quite defying belief.

But then, shortly thereafter, during his first exposure to the Bombay media just before taking over as party president in the early Nineties, in an off-the-record chat with a handful of reporters largely sympathetic to the BJP, he repeated that exultation of Allahabad University. And there was more — stating that, as a doctor of nuclear physics from that university, he had broken down matter into the smallest atom, he added, “Once you have done that you realise nothing is greater or smaller than that atom! Everything begins and ends in that.”

He chanted a sloka from the Rig Veda which encapsulated this principle/phenomenon of nuclear physics — of course, the Sanskrit went quite over our heads. So he simplified that for us. “Perhaps a saying from the Bible you will understand better. It says the same thing as the sloka – from ashes we have come and to dust shall we return.”

In the uneasy silence that followed someone asked him, “If this is what you believe, what then are you doing by making these differences between Hindus and Muslims, Brahmins and backward classes etc and setting the whole nation on fire because of that?”

Startled, because he had probably not expected such an incisive question from a generally accommodating bunch of people, Joshi came out with as spontaneous a reply as he could under the circumstances, “This is what I believe. That is for public consumption!”

So blasé was that statement that to my mind it sounded like a final denouement.

Ever since, this is what I have thought of the BJP (and it can be best said only in Hindi): Haathi ke daant, khaane ke aur, aur dikhaane ke aur (the elephant has two sets of teeth – one to chew and the other to smile with).

This week, then, convinces me that Jaswant Singh is right – his party has been corrupted by power. But I would not have thought the lack of it would still go it’s head!

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  • Bob Mathews

    Sujata,

    I have been an avid reader of the print media from the 60s onwards and for the past decade I have have been distressed, that our journalists have no ’spunk’ when they report the facts.

    You are the exception!!

    Please continue to be honest to yourself and to us.

    Keep it up.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks, Mr Mathew. I will try and live up to the expectations.

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  • http://anindianmuslim.com Indscribe

    So true. The problem is that the majority doesn’t react and avoid getting into arguments but there is a small fringe, an excessively indoctrinated class in cyberspace, that reacts on everything that has anything to do with communalism, secularism and nationalism, and they are virulently anti-Muslim.

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  • Sonu

    Bravo!

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks, Sonu

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    Sujata ji,
    Here is a response from one of “saffron bigots” to your blog above. Although you did not name me personally, but considering the bloggers you did name who receive bigoted responses to their posts, I am taking the liberty to presume that I am also part of the bigoted group. This is because, of late, I have been commenting on the blogs of most of these authors.

    And an admission before I start. I am definately not eclectic in my approach.

    You descibe BJP as party which does not beleive in its own ideology. All its idology talk, as per you, is for public consumption. And the proof you have for reaching this startling conclusion. Two instances in the nineties.

    But consider this. Take people like L.K. Advani or Vajpayee or even Dr Joshi ( whose instance you quote). They started their political careers in an era when the Congress ascendant was the brightest. There was then, not even the slightest hope of actually acheiving power through the party they were comitting theselves to. Yet they did. And never in a span of more than 50 years have they wavered in their comittment. Had their approach been only for power play, surely they would have choosen shorter cuts for acheiving those, as most others of their era did. In more than 50 years of their political careers, they have been in power for only 6 years. Think about it. Which power hungry person takes such long route to power. And that too for such short a time?

    No commitment to ideology do you say? But do you notice, that there was no wavering in thier commitment to ideology in the years when aaya raam, gaya raam phrase was invented. No wavering when there was example of the even the likes of Sharad Pawar ( your eternal favourite, by the way) leaving their parent parties. No wavering when someone like Pranab Mukherjee could leave his party. No wavering when they were reduced to 2 seats !!

    Surely over the years as the party expanded, many would have joined in the fashion of political careerists. Jaswant Singh was one of them, as he now revals in his interviews. But not most others. Not Arun Jetley, who choose to oppose Indira Gandhi at peak of her popularity. Not Venkaih Naidu. So please don’t brush all with the same paint. Surely as a journalist you know that all generalisations as false. Please don’t so easily dismiss the lifetimes of so many leaders as just power lust. Read it as….a lifetime spent with one party. How many people can you count like that?

    A la affaire Jaswant Singh : You make an interesting argument that the way he was summarily dismissed, was against natural justice. I am presuming that you imply that he should have been heard, given a chance to make his case and then action taken etc.

    Revert to the Varun Gandhi episode during the elections 09. Right from the moment the CD was first telecast, the only refrain in the media was why was Varun not being denied a ticket. Did not natural justice demand in his case, that the veracity of the tapes be established first. In face of denials by Varun, a strong counter case be made against him before hanging him from the noose. Yet, almost for 20 days, all questions in media started and ended with why was he not being denied ticket. Merely on the basis of an accusation? Was that demand not a miscarriage of justice?

    In Jaswant’s case, he has said whatever he had to in writing. So there is no case of being misunderstood or being misquoted. He has affirmed his writings in an interview to Karan Thapar. So would you not think his case is qualitatively different. An open and shut case. That there was indeed no ocassion for any enquiry. The only thing for BJP to do was to either accept his views, let it lie low or reject it strongly. They choose to reject it with all the authority at their command. You can argue they made a wrong decision. But that is not miscarriage of justice in the sense that his crime was not established. As about the the decision itslef, I will argue later why it is also correct.

    Finally : As to why the entire liberal media is up in arms against the BJP on this decision?

    Consider the fault line between the BJP types (like me) and the pseudo secular types ( by your own admission, you). The basic faultline is this : That while all the innaities and peculiarities of the Muslims are considered justifiable by likes of you, even the very genuine demands of Hindu’s are derided upon and outrightly ridiculed. For example, its right to paint Goddess Saraswati in nude because its artistic liberty, damn the hindu snetiments, but its blasphemy to even paint a picture of the prophet since its against Muslim beleifs.

    We in the BJP types say that both painatings are worng. The liberals like you think only the prophet painting is wrong. Thats the basic fault line betwen you and me.

    And thats why I think Jaswant Singh deserved the tratement he got. Because he choose to villify Nehru and denigrate Patel to build up a justifiaction for Jinnah’s action. Now BJP types have many differences with Nehru’s policies. But they are our internal differences. And that is why it does not license anyone to villify Nehru and lesser is contribution to India. He made mistakes in policy, as humans make. But his commitment to India is without question. It cannot be belittled to sell a book. Equally Patel cannot be denigrated.

    But then why are liberals like you opposing the BJP decision? You should normally be happy to defend Congress politicians?

    Well the answer lies in the faultline I described above. Any writing which paints a Muslim icon, hitherto considered a villian, in a favourable light would be lapped up by people like you. Till now all historical Muslim bigots have been slowly absolved of all cuplabilty. This has been done most subtely in history books by liberal historians of Communis variety, So Aurangzeb was a fine ruler and Ghori was a benevolent invader.

    Its only Jinnah who has still not been absolved. Because its too recent history to wash away. Even by liberal standards. But, it would be a pseudo secularists dream if the ultimate could be achived. Of somehow proving that Jinnah was an angel and the partition was thrust on him by a conspiracy of Hindu Right. And thats why the liberals like you so vociferosuly oppose BJP’s decision.

    Your hatred to BJP is so profuse that you fail to see that the BJP has struck one of its own to defend the honour and character of Congress icons. !!

    But then, you are eclectic. How can you see such base actions.

    And finally, I do not think you are yet in the league of Pankaj Vohra. He is a class act. Its not easy to be him.

    And lastly, apologies for not being able to match your erudition.
    Regards,

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    Kumar Reply:

    Mr Akhilesh, Sujata can speak for herself..but being a pseudo secularist, i have a few points.

    I don’t know why you give yourself so much importance….There are lakhs of Hindu lunatics like you on the Net and they keep arguing the case of BJP and Murderendra Modi…and of late their frustration has only been increasing and your arguments are just an example of that.

    As for your great leaders not wavering from commitment… What are these??? Ayodhya, World Trade, Article 370, uniform civil code….Some they simply forgot, and on some others they simply melted like butter…. If you are committed you stay committed… As for short cuts…giving up on their core issues and aligning with Secular parties is the proof that without these short cuts they wouldn’t have even tasted power.

    If natural justice (That is very un-natural for someone like you) demanded that Varun Gandhi’s case be heard fully….the same natural justice (if you still believe in it) applies to Jaswant Singh in this case..At least his book deserved to be read before taking a decision….

    And it is very un-natural that you are defending Nehru. Even George Fernandes had accused Nehru of being responsible for India’s partition…Where was BJP then to defend a Congress icon??? .

    As for the pseudo-secularists, I am not aware of any one from that ilk defending virulent opposition of Swedish cartoons by Muslims or violence against Taslima Nasreen. In fact they condemned these incidents. (Of course, murderendra Modi also defended Taslima Nasreen!!!). So much for our consistency.

    I am a rabid secular funndamentalist..and I believe that Jinnah was the nation-breaker and he deserves no sympathy…but then explaining this to Hindu bigot is like talking to a dining table in my house.

    I am a Hindu, secular, and a hater of anything that is anti-Indian and un-Indian..the hindutva lunatic fringe is un-Indian and I have every reason to hate it same as I hate Jinnah and large sections of today’s Pakistan that is anti-India.

    You are very lucid sir. In fact, you are a class act. :) ) Keep this eloquent drivel going…It gives great thrill to see you guys destructing yourselves and theorising everything along the way.

    regards,

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    Pankaj Vohra Reply:

    As usual a good blog. Ideology is very important for any political party. The BJP is suffering because its present leaders have deviated from its basic beliefs. Most of the intolerant guys who write all kinds of rubbish in response to many of our blogs are confused. They know that their party has deviated from ideology yet they have problem in giving up their leaders. Some of them I feel take out their anger by directing it at journalists like us. They use all kinds of language and lack total decency. Expressing oneself is different from being rabid. God should bless them. Jaswant Singh’s quote in Simla is very significant. He said , “I committed no sin against India or BJP…you can dispute what I write but the day India starts questioning thought, we are entering a very dark alley”. These bigots are perhaps the voices from this dark alley. Carry on your good work. Cheers.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks, Pankaj. And I agree — confusion seems to have become the middle name of the BJP and all their supporters, even the rabid ranters.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Anything on modern Nadir Shah i.e His majesty Rajiv Gandhi?

    Mak Kumar Reply:

    Pankaj, how very predictable is your response. How very convinient- the guys who don’t agree with your views are “confused”. Suddenly Jaswant Singh is a holy cow for you so called “secularists” when you guys were out with dagger all the time when he was a hard core BJP member.

    I wish our journalist could be really impartial rather than maquerading for one or the other parties. Anybody who doesn’t agree with your views is a rabid ranter and is of Hindutva brigade. Boy oh boy! Please spare the journalism, you will do well as a spokesman of a party

    Akhilesh Reply:

    Kumar Bhai,
    I don’t know how much you read history, but if you do, then you would be interested to know that the Taliban and al-Qaeda wanting to re-establish the Nizam-e-Mustafa, read history too. ( If you are unaware, then Nizam-e-Mustafa is basically about re-establishing a Muslim rule from Austria to Bangladesh. All under one rule. ).

    Now how is that of context here?

    One of the biggest obstacles for them in achieving their goal is India. Since in the arch of states that they are targeting, India is almost the biggest state in geography, population and military strength. Quite daunting adversary for any revivalist military movement, would you not say?

    Do you know what gives them hope? And joy and confidence that they will achieve their goal. People like you.

    Their reading of Indian history tells them that India has been bedevilled by people like you all through its existence. People who are adept at seeing reason in the other person’s point of view and faulting one’s won. People who have this great great urge to sound statesmanly. People who have amazing tendency to pontificate on ideals while not having the strength to even swat a fly. People who have no sense of nationhood but are divided in millions of differences.

    So I must commened you and your views. You give the Taliban and al-Qaeda hope. You are a precious character for them.

    But if you have to learn about nation building then read the starting block of every nation or empire. Maybe you will be rescued.

    Cheers !

    But in any case, we still need you. You provide amusement at the very least.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Your second response, quite spoilt the sheer poetry of your first.

    But there are some things here I can agree with — like over M F Hussain. And about Jaswant — I am no admirer of his but I believe the BJP has been entirely graceless in the manner they went about the expulsion — did they forget life has a way of doing unto you as you do unto others!?

    I don’t hate the BJP — I have many good friends in the party. But, yes, I do not have any respect for a party which has always been in pursuit of power but has had no courage to admit to it couching its greed in a holier-than-thou attitude. To that extent, at least the Congress makes no bones about what they are in business for.

    And finally, Jaswant was a soft target — the BJP should have struck one of its icons when Narendra Modi was massacring Muslims in Gujarat. Had they done so, they would still have been in power today!

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    Indian Reply:

    Please do not lie about the killings in Gujarat. You are doing this repeatedly. Has it been established that modi was involved? Were you present there? Who has given youi the right to make accusations? I know of people who have died in those and earlier guj riots. Please do not spit on their bodies. You seem to enjoy massacring the truth and coveniently pushing in your own agenda and blaming one and all. I havwe commented earlier on the riots in detail. You did not have an answer for it. Please do not keep bringing up the issue and let the wounds heal. For God’s sake, please refrain from baseless bombastic statements.

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    Indian Reply:

    Another quick point. I have no issues with your trying to project that BJP does not really have a committment to their idealogy. I do not agree to your point, but it is absolutely fine for you to try and build that hypothesis based on your experience. My only bone is with baseless statements.

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Get real and await the SIT investigation on it, Indian. if Modi is eventually proved innocent, I will indeed ‘refrain from baseless bombastic statements’. That’s a promise

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sujata,
    Do you think that Rajiv Gandhi’s (Butcher of Delhi) role in 1984 sikh GENOCIDE should be revisited and he should be labelled as cold hearted butcher?

    Rajiv Gandhi should be condemned in harshest words for his response to 1984 sikh GENOCIDE and should be deprived of Bharat ratna.

    In last 63 years majors sins committed in India are-
    1. Partition of Indian – Criminal: Jinnah, party to Crime: Nehru
    2. Gandhi’s murder – Criminal: Nathuram Godse, party to Crime: RSS
    3. 1948 Kashmir Fiasco – Criminal: Nehru
    4. 1962 defeat – Criminal: Nehru
    5. 1977 Emergency – Criminal: Indira gandhi
    6. 1984 Sikh Genocide – Criminal: Rajiv Gandhi
    7. 2002 Gujarat riots – Criminal: Muslims in Godhra, Hindu Rioters, Suspected: Modi
    8. Anti-national policies of UPA – Criminal: Sonia, Manmohan & team. party to Crime: Media people like you.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sujata,
    Ever heard phrase ‘Inncoent till proven guilty’.
    You apply it in case of maut ka saudagar Rajiv Gandhi but not for chota maut ka saudagar Modi.

    Jasmeet Singh Reply:

    Ms Anandan,
    I agree with your views on B.J.P. But I wonder what took you so long to tell us about Mr Munde and Murli Manohar.?
    Is it not the case of journalists suddenly deciding to leave B.J.P enmasse.?
    I remember same thing occuring to congress in the 1990s.
    Congress has a lot of blood on its hands. It is responsible for killing of thousands of inocent sikhs in 1980s.It also opened the can of worms called the Babri Masjid.
    B.J.P if nothing , could still provide a constructive opposition to congress and should do that relentlessly for the greater good of country. A strong B.J.P is good for the country. B.J.P should desist from petty politics, stop frequent walkouts from parliament and take it on to strive for real development of India. They should push for reforms in the power sector, prevent further migration into large cities and push for massive population control. If it does that , its efforts would surely translate into votes. If not; India is in real danger of being pulled in a civil war.

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Jasmeet,

    I was never a BJP groupie, nor do I hold any brief for the Congress, the Samajwadi Party, the Janata Dal, the Shiv Sena or even the Communists.

    As journalists we have to be fair and unbiased within the borad spectrum of our own beliefs and that is what all of us at the Hindustan Times are.

    And I agree with you about the need for a party like the BJP — there definitely is a need for a right of centre party in this country, like the Republicans in the US or the Tories in the UK. No one labels them extremists or fundamentalists, though — perhaps because they do not massacre blacks or the poor classes who they were traditionally opposed to. They have a distinct political space in their own coutnries and if the BJP can get over being a party with differences (look at the absolute mayhem within its ranks today!), I think India will be the richer for it.

    Sam Reply:

    Can you also write “So Who really believes in Secularism”.

    The reason I say this is because only When Muslims really want Secularism, the country to going to get one. They cannot ask for secularism with some super rights.

    Just like any organization which will have some unbelievers, Congress and Muslim parties also will have non-secular people in their ranks.

    If you look at the history for a long time, the muslim forces were almost always were committing agression and the Hindu forces were reactionary in trying to defend themselves.

    So please do write about a whole spectrum of people across all political parties.

    Rajeev Reply:

    How about Rajiv Gandhi, the Nadir Shah of modern times? What are your views on this prophet of peace who got 4000 sikhs hacked because he was mourning (as per sri 1008 pankaj vohraji)?

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    Indian Reply:

    Sujata,

    Why dont you for a change get real and wait for the SIT investigations to prove him guilty. Is this a banana republic where you judge an accused as guilty without proven innocent? The SIT until recently did not even have enough evidence to summon him, forget indicting him. And of all people it is the teesta setalvad (perhaps the biigest trader of truth in the name of human rights) on whose contention you are making these points? Wov – you do have a sense of humour. By your logic sonia and rajeev are culpable of bofors swindle and hiding money in swiss banks. Also, congress is the most communal party because 90% of communal riots in India have happened during their rule. No?

    DO NOT try and be an expert on everything. PLEASE.

  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/expletive-deleted Kushal

    Sujata, were you REALLY surprised by these two instances you quoted? I wasn’t, when I read them. Very few people actually work according to their idealogies – particularly in politics. Look at the Communists in Bengal.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    You forget, Bunny, this was a different era and the BJP had us all in the grip of `theparty with a difference’ spiel. It has taken a while to prove it is a party with too many differences. I was not surprised but must admit to a sense of horror, particulalry over Dr Murli Manohar Joshi — a zealot can be forigiven for believing in what he does, or like Christ said in not knowing what he does. But a politician who believes otherwise but will cold-bloodedly set people up in pursuit for a kursi can be nothing but a cold-blooded murderer. Narendri Modi proved it, didn’t he?

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    Mak Kumar Reply:

    Strange Sujata, why don’t you apply the same yardstick to Rajiv Gandhi who had the audacity to make when the country was in the grips of congress sponsored riots against Sikhs that earth shakes!! Strange are the ways of the so called secularists!!

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    Mak Kumar Reply:

    don’t know why my full statement was not published, it should have read- “who had the audacity to make the statement , when the country was in the grips of congress sponsored riots against Sikhs, that “Earth Shakes when a lage tree falls”. Hope this goes through this time

  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    Sujata Ji,
    You raved and ranted against the bigots and their rabid responses. But when one of the self confessed bigot, responded to you in decent language and with logic and impassioned reason, what do you do…you run away !!

    How predictable. You need the “bigots” to justify your own slavery to Congress and its policies. This is the conclusion I am forced to draw. If not, then please respond to my long post above.

    Regards,

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    I never reply to responses before Monday. So I did not `run away’. Your earlier repsonse was eloquent, almost poetry, and I was pleasantly surprised — could agree to disagree with your views but also sympathise with some points. But you destroyed it all by another of your rabid rants — typical isn’t it? And very disappoitning …

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    Well Sujata Ji, apolgies for not knowing your schedules of blog posts and replies. Now I know you reply on Monday. But is there a fixed day on which you post the blogs, or is it random depending on issues and your interests?

    Would be good if you could educate.

    About the second reply…well now I know you dont belong to Pankaj Vohra league. You have the sagacity to let critical views appear on your blog and you the put forth your views to those critical comments. Extremely fair and as it should be in a free speech society.

    However, very unlike Pankaj Vohra, who I see replies on many blogs and derides us BJP types while always moderating out our comments on his blog. Read always moderates out. For him its a one way street. His and only his derisory comments.

    Since you had clubbed yourself with him in the opening para of your blog, I thought you belong to the same league. Thats why the impatient second reply. I was wrong. Apologies.

    However, I still disagree with everything you have said about the BJP !!

    Regards,

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  • Pervin

    Some men change their party for the sake of their principles; others their principles for the sake of their party. ~Winston Churchill

    Sujata, more power to your pen.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks, Pervin

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