Caught up in his own lies



Now that the Liberhan Commission report is about to be tabled in Parliament, I am curious to know what it says about Bal Thackeray and his role in the demolition of the Babri Masjid.

The Srikrishna Commission report on the 1992-93 Bombay riots was pretty damning – Justice Srikrishna has unequivocally indicted the Sena supremo and held L K Advani marginally culpable, too. Advani, with his rath yatra, created an atmosphere that was ripe for a communal conflagration, said Justice Srikrishna. “And into this boiling cauldron, like a general leading his troops, stepped in Bal Thackeray…”

I have never found another line more poetic or more evocative of the situation on the ground in any report of any commission than this one.

Of course, the Shiv Sena-BJP government, which was in power when the report was submitted, rejected the findings of the Commission – they could really not have taken action against their own supremo, after all.

But Thackeray and his cohorts could not have manipulated (or dismissed as they tried to) the findings of the Liberhan Commission as easily as they did with Justice Srikrishna, both the Commission (which was abolished in 1995 to be revived in 1996) or its report. I remember every time Thackeray was about to be summoned to Allahabad or wherever the Commission so pleased, he ended up with an ailment. I don’t think he ever appeared before the Commission – though his lawyers might have pleaded his case before Justice Liberhan.

But while all this was going on, I actually felt sorry for Thackeray – for he had really had no role in the demolition of the Babri Masjid though he was quite happy to take the credit for it when he thought it would be politically expedient.

When the Srikrishna report was tabled in the Maharashtra Assembly, Shankar Gaikar, the local Bajrang Dal chief called me to spew venom at Thackeray. “How can he claim credit for it when none of the Sena leaders were present in Ayodhya on that day?”

Actually Gaikar was right – Manohar Joshi, Sudhir Joshi and Pramod Navalkar had reached Ayodhya just a day before the demolition and by then all the good accommodation (in hotels or guest houses) was already taken. They were asked to camp out on cots in tents and felt highly insulted by that. So in a huff they boarded the next train back to Bombay and were actually in Calcutta en route when the mosque was brought down by the kar sevaks.

Knowing the enormity of the crime and its consequences, some BJP leaders in their first reaction promptly blamed it on the Shiv Sena. Now Thackeray did not know whether to be flattered or wary. He knew none of the Shiv Sainiks were in Ayodhya that evening, yet he was not great enough to let go of the political mileage that this demolition offered in those polarised times.

I was working for a wire service (UNI) then and called him for a reaction. “I will consult the editors of Saamna and tell you later,” he told me. “Call me in an hour.”

He actually needed the time to connect with Joshi and others (there were no mobile phones then) to seek advice on whether or not they should claim credit for the demolition. The dilemma was: how to let go of the mileage that was coming his way despite the fact that he was not deserving of it? So when I called him back he told me, “If my sainiks were really involved in the demolition, then I can only be proud of them.”

That was the reaction flashed on the wires that was then picked up by the whole world and paraphrased to make it sound as though Thackeray were claiming credit for the demolition (`Thackeray said he was proud that his sainiks had demolished the mosque’ etc). Thackeray was only too happy to go along with that – until the summons from the Liberhan commission arrived at his doorstep.

If there is one thing that Thackeray is really afraid of (actually he is afraid of several things) it is a court of law (or, in this case, a judicial commission). He knows there is no escaping the consequences of a contempt case and so would rather not take on the judges or even appear before them, lest his uncontrollable habit of breaking into abuse every so often get the better of him. So there were ample excuses then for not turning up before the Commission. But once when I dug that original quote out to re-use it in another story I was writing (then for the Indian Express), he saw red.

“Who told you my boys had demolished the masjid?” he asked me.

“You did,” I said. “You gave your first reaction to me, so this is not
hearsay. I have quoted you verbatim in my report.”

Thackeray then quite lost his temper – not at me but at the BJP. “That Sundersingh Bhandari, that *%&*! (word of abuse), he just did not have the guts to accept that it was an act by the BJP. So to escape the consequences he just blamed my boys. I knew they had not done it, that is why I said `if’. But you did not underline the `if’. If my boys had indeed done it, then I would still be proud of it. I am not afraid of anyone. Why should I backtrack on any of it?”

But, in fact, he did backtrack – at his next public meeting at Shivaji Park he openly abused Bhandari and other BJP leaders and dissociated himself publicly from the demolition so that every newspaper and news channel (there were not so many of them then) would get it right and convey the fact to the Liberhan Commission.

But, of course, he has never been able to live down that dishonest attempt of his to take credit for a despicable act when he thought it was going to be politically bountiful. No matter how much he denied it after that, no one quite believed Thackeray.

Perhaps, he should have taken Justice Srikrishna’s advice seriously. Justice Srikrishna, if I recall correctly, has quoted the scriptures in his report (I don’t remember in what context) to say: Akritvaa para santaapam, agatvaa khalamandiram, anutsrijya sataam vartma, yat svalpamapi tadbahu.

Translated it means: without causing distress to a fellow human being, without having to go begging to a crook, without swerving from the path of rectitude, whatever little you earn should be enough for you.

But Thackeray always caused distress to others in ample measure, always preferred crooks to good people and never had any rectitude. And it still was not enough.

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  • shweta

    For a democratic india and a secular india the demolition was a sad thing.

    everybody knows that mosques were built on land..where temples origionally exsisted.these temples were special because, they were the actual places of birth of our gods.

    there are old mughal records if anybody cares to look at, that tell how these temples wre brought down.

    WHY cant there be a truth and reconcilliation about these temple/mosque sites?

    WHY cant the muslims voluntarily give up these lands….when they also know, they were built on sites where lord krishna n ram were born?

    WHY are we afraid to ask the muslims to do so?

    WHY cant muslims think of doing this own their own?

    WHY hindus always have to forgive , forget and move on???
    WHY cant muslims do the same?

    WHY the burden of secularism has to be only on the hindus shoulders? and not on the muslims?

    shouldnt they say sorry atleast for what the mughals did?accept it? surrender the land?

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    Pankaj Reply:

    u wont get answers to these questions from any journo here and not from politicans, instead you will be called communal and branded as anti national.

    They are good at bashing thier own and nothing else.

    What happened in Kashmir will happen in India one day!

    Have Fun!

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    Anil Reply:

    I am vary about the any inquiry commission reports. It serves no purpose other than giving livelhood to the retired judges and his paraphernelia. The Srikrishna commssion report for example is not that damning on Late Sudhakar Rao Naik who as a Chief Minister lay cocooned at Maharashtra Sadan for two days when Mumbai was burning during ‘93 riots. The commission of inquiry into Netaji Bose’s death is laughable. I might risk my limbs if I say this in Kolkata. Whether it is Nanavati commission for ‘84 riots or M C Jain commission for Indira Gandhi’s death the findings are not even academic. These reports on the other hand sound as if how a perfect riot should be conducted. Everyone who had watched TV on that fateful day knew who brought down that ‘controversial’ structure. They also know who could have prevented it . It’s hand in glove game for the ruling and the opposition parties.

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    Indian Reply:

    Agree with both Shweta and Pankaj!!

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  • Brijesh Kalappa

    I do realise that you are Mumbai based and all that, however, this is clearly an overdose on Bal Thackeray… who has one foot in the …. too.

    Raj Thackeray is the obvious next big thing.

    BK

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Raj will never be the influence on Bombay and India as such that his uncle was. Bal Thackeray’s fame has spread far and wide — even to the extent that US immigration officials recently asked uddhav Thackeray if he had any connection to bal Thackeray when he was travelling to the US last month. And Thackeray is the most hated man in Pakistan and the most well known after Dilip Kumar. So one cannot say too little or too much about him at any time…

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  • anurag

    hey mam,u can certainly write a biography on bal thakrey and it will be so much fun to read about him, u shud give that a try…

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks for the suggestion. Though a biography suggests that only nice things will be said — and it is difficult to be nice to and about bal Thackeray!

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  • Pankaj

    Writer is obsessed with Bal Thackeray. She can surely wite biography of Bal Thackeray.

    She has got lota stories to tell. Don’t waste your time blogging, write a novel instead!!

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    Anagha Reply:

    Like all of us in Mumbai who who have been caught up in the meaningless acts of violence & destruction unleashed by the Sena, I hope Bal Thakeray is made to pay for his misdeeds. Its high time, we saw the guilty being brought to book. This will (hopefully) act as a deterrent to political leaders who model their parties on similar ideology, causing nuisance & spreading fear among innocent citizens.

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    I do, too. Only, I wonder if he is up to facing punishment — he is in hospital again this week

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com Sujata Anandan

    Not a novel, but a serious analysis.

    And it is difficult to escape Bal Thackeray and his influences if you are a Mumbaikar — and you don’t have to be a journalist for that. How many times has Bombay been brought to a halt over a tirvial issue, how many people have lost their lives/had their property destroyed just because Thackeray thought he ought to be taken seriously? And one can’t tirvialise the deaths of all those caught up in the 1992-93 riots…

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    anurag Reply:

    mam who wants to read nicety of this man(if there any),just write all his missdeed, his misfortune,how weak he is,it will be great hit, sure your poster and book will be burn from his goons, and you will get dead threat but this will be great opening.

    p.s. just completed suketu mehta’s ” maximum city” it is one the most no hold,on the face account of mumbay and shiv sena

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Agress, there are indeed very few niceties and any book written on him will be a hit only if they focus on the evil aspects — and not afraid of the threats and the abuse, have been facing them all the time.

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    Indian Reply:

    Journalism is a very important profession. It helps uphold the democratic traditions of a nation. But it should be fact based.

    You are ascribing motives and also here presenting here as “facts” what you perhaps “thought” what thackeray was “thinking or doing”. Are you trying to play God? Eg. your lines below –

    “He actually needed the time to connect with Joshi and others (there were no mobile phones then) to seek advice on whether or not they should claim credit for the demolition. The dilemma was: how to let go of the mileage that was coming his way despite the fact that he was not deserving of it?”

    If the above is a fact, please substantiate. How do you know the above is true? Opinions without facts kind of reduce the seriousness of what you are trying to say. Mistake me not, I do not hold any brief for thackeray and couldnt care less if he is prosecuted.

    Also, it might be indeed good to hear your views on what Shweta and Pankaj have to say above. I have seen journo’s actually speaking on things which are either “politically correct” or “expedient” or “fashionable”. Hardly anybody seems to have the guts to speak the truth and take on a controversial subject in a fair manner. My two cents and nothing personal. All the best.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    mate, indian journalist are the worst ones and an example is in front of you!

    She can write a biography bashing the ones she “personally” do not like or not “getting paid” to “praise” in her blogs, news, “analysis” etc.

    But she refuses to write about Punjab, Kashmir, Godhra, Assam, wrong doing of certain politicans etc. I wonder why?

    Resons might be :-
    - Personal grudges
    - Money
    - Fear of loosing job.
    - Editor’s pressure

    most welcome to add more to this list.

    Indian Reply:

    Pankaj,

    While I agree with some of the points you make, I also make a personal request to not attack the blogger in person, rather make your points issue based. Just a humble request, but please do as you deem fit.

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks, Indian. But somehow these kind of comments don’t rattle me — have gotten used to people who abuse when they do not have logic for an argument. I do answer them from time to time just to put the record straight but I enjoy your type of refined critques and look foward to them

    Pankaj Reply:

    You are missing the point Indian!! you have totally missed the point.!

    If you see my blog entry below, you will understand where I am comming from!
    You (journalist) scrutinize politicans, thier actions, you comments to social issues etc.etc… but who is going to scrutinize you (journalist)?

    These journalist abuse, harrass , defame any poiticans or any other person! but when it comes to them they just run away! If you give them a dose of thier own medicine (a bit bitter one) they then just trun hostile and then trun to rhetorical talks!!

    They are not God, they are humans and are very much subjected to all the temptations and prejudice.

    If you journalist can abuse and defame any person , why can’t we as bloggers?? She aint a God!

    She enjoys “praise” by people like you but when “critized” she term it as “abuse” . Double standards!!

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Have you heard of `off the record’? Things are told to us off the reocrd and they help us to substantiate and give to the readers what’s behind the obvious. You may choose to believe it or not. Everything does not happen before telelvision cameras or else there would be no need for stings

    Pankaj Reply:

    I am not worried or concerned about the politicians “off the record” stuff. We all know “what’s behind the obvious” for indian politicians / politics.

    I am concerned about Indian jourons and thier political affiliations and thier power to infulence people to a particular political party or organisation.

    I am waiting for the day when there are so called “stings” on Indian media people to expose “what’s behind the obvious”.

    You (journalist) scrutinize politicans, thier actions, you comments to social issues etc.etc… but who is going to scrutinize you (journalist)?

    These “off the record” things can be easily manipulated to server some other political party.
    These “off the record’” things can never be published to server some political party.

    Indian Reply:

    Sujata,

    Thanks for your response. If something has been said “of the record” then is it not supposed to remain as such, for journalistic integrity? One cannot take the moral high ground one way and let it go if it is expedient to us.

    One more eg. – “”actually he is afraid of several things”. What is off the record about this statement? And how does it aid in your article? What point are you trying to make? Is it your personal dislike for the man coming out in disguise?

    You see my point?

    Anyways, I am not suggesting that there are too many positive about the thackeray the individual, just talking about what as a humble citizen, one might want the articles to reflect or not reflect.

    On a related point, I would like to learn about how the congress tacitly supported raj thackeray in mumbai and pune. I guess you would have some knowledge on this topic. Best of luck!!

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    There are some who accuse me of being far too charitable to Bal Thackeray in my writings than he deserves — so, i guess it is a personal perspective or interpretation of every reader and you are entitled to your views, after all.

    But just to let you in on `off the record’ — if a politician wants something out in the open but not attributed to him, he drops it to us `off therecord’. If he does not want a journalist to get hold of some bit of information, no matter what we do, we can’t and that stays strictly in the private domain.

    So to answer your question — well, we are meant to use the off the record stuff as our own reading, the politicos will be hugely disappointed if we don’t and next time they will pass on the juicy bits to someone who might be less circumspect.

    Cynical? But that’s how this world of politicians and journalists works!

    Pankaj Reply:

    “Cynical? But that’s how this world of politicians and journalists works!”

    As we say in hindi ” ek hi thali ke chatte batte” :)

    all dirty work … how it works in politics and journalism …

    Enjoy! have fun!

    Indian Reply:

    Thanks Sujata,

    Again, my point is not that you are too critical or too charitable to any individual. There is nothing wrong being either as long as the perspective is backed by facts! Again, I am not disputing your position on thackeray.

    One eg. on journastic coverage of Obama – Obama is perhaps a good chap. However, the media and world commentators went all out in praise of him and how he is the best thing to have happened to america and stretched it to how he is the best thing to have happened to the world. Well frankly, a critical analysis would suggest that perhaps as an individual he is a good person (like many others), but yet to prove himself as the saviour for america. Nobody analysed, whether he was good for India. Perhaps bush was better frienf of India, if a critical policy and action analyses is done. Who cares what some arab countries think of bush. We should look at our national interest. Arabs and america should be left alone to sort their issues. So yes, perspectives are fine as long as they are factual, analytical and subject ot reason.

    Also, appreciate your point of view on “off the record”. Fair enough as long as it is equally used or not used in case of all politicians and parties. Thanks!

    Pankaj – I am responding to your point on our earlier exchange on “personal attacks”. I agree with you that journalists are perhaps not scrutized as say, politicians. It is also true that many journalists attack politicians carrying pre-conceived notions and seem to have drawn their conclusion before hand (doesnt matter what is right or wrong). Many confuse news reporting with opinions and also those opinions seem biased. But my point is that let us not attack anybody personally nevertheless. Do question their writings, their opinions. You will meet with some success and some will try and avoid your questions, but when you attack them personally, they will invariably avoid you. Also, it will not serve your purpose. There will be many journalists who will be open to criticism and perhaps may even agree to a contrarian line of thinking. We should not paint all of them with the same brush. They are as much human as any other and many will be fair or atleast try to be fair. We should not deny them that, else we end up being exactly what we are accusing them of being.

    Pankaj Reply:

    “serious analysis”, are your personal opnions and might not be shared by many.

    Who cares if Bal Thackeray is hated in Pakistan?

    I will give you a topic for your next blog.

    Punjab – wrong doings of Indira Gandhi.

    Hundered and thousands of people died becasue of her, why not write about it?

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    You are not my editor

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    Pankaj Reply:

    imagine me as your editor for one day and write as advised.

    ask your editor and he will aslo agree with what i am saying.

    Sunil Tyagi Reply:

    Isn’t there a solid case for penning down your memoirs in a book? Not just Thackeray, Pawar but…say, the last 30yrs of Maharashtra landscape. Maybe, India.

    I have to say, blogging is an excellent thing, and better that you let out your experiences. Typically, like any thing, you normally don’t get the ‘normal’ picture when it comes from general media, but…insights such as these reveal so much.

    Someone interacts with them personally and reveals the account, which goes deep down in revealing the people. The interesting thing is – it goes against the normal perception that one has, especially of people, the powers-that-be.

    I am trying to be a screenwriter and it helps to know the real stuff happening – good or bad. That statement or should i say, the excellent ‘dialogue’ – “I may not have electricity but have all the power”, reveals so much and so clearly the arrogant-aspect of this man.

    Yet…there is a sect that worships him…that would or did follow his every word dropping from his mouth like ‘amrut’, and he is likely to be talking / doing nonsense. Yet…they are in that position where they do can do big things like bringing a city to a stop.

    Would love to see more insights…even more blogs…pity’s it’s just one-a-week! But…you are pretty consistent and that’s great. Thanks…

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thanks. Friends have been urging me for years to write that book but always have been too busy to get down ot it. But with similar suggestions from readers like you, perhaps I will begin to think about it. In the meantime, hope to keep the insights coming you way. BRgds

    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    My editor is mine, Pankaj. Not yours even by a long shot.

    Pankaj Reply:

    then why are you writing here and what is the point of having these blogs when you are not open for suggestions?

    Stop these double standards!

    Do you have to ask your editor or show what you are writing here in blogs, I wonder?

  • Aamir

    Hi Sujata,

    I am a constant reader of ur articles in HT. I feel ur articles are best in its type.
    It always is very intresting and knowledgeable. It gives me complete insight of the political system. Keep writing such articles…

    Today incidently I found ur blog while searching something about Mr. Sharad Pawar…Read so many articles from it.

    I thought I should post my comments here to get surety that u are going to read it..

    BTW I totally agree with ur views in above article.

    Hope to see many more!!!

    Thanks and Regards
    Aamir

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    Sujata Anandan Reply:

    Thank you so much. Hope I can continue to meet your expectations

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  • Anil

    Had any commission ever looked into Rajeev gandhi’s classic indifference when Delhi was burnign in 1984.. Not even single rioter was hurt there by police controlled by rajeev gandhi.. yet we have awarded him Bharat ratna.

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  • Anil

    Everybody uses crooks in politics and its reflection on us indian in general than on politician.. I have grwon up seeing one after another local mafia king getting ticket from whichever party he wanted first it was congress then RJD these days JD(U) tomorrow it could eb BJP..

    each and every fo them are crooks and they are crooks because we love crooks.. Even journalists are crooks they act like B team of this ro that party where they would overlook some issue while flash the others depending on the camp they are in

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  • Anonymous

    Typical socialist mumbo jumbo. It just takes some knowledge of economics to see this is a good thing. First some history. The only reason that has held India back is the age old suspicion of the private sector. It started with license raj. No points for guessing the people I blame for this. Look at the US. Walmart, Target et al have only pushed prices down. This has definitely helped the consumer. More money in the consumer’s pocket means the money can be used elsewhere for more productive purposes. The sorry state of India’s affairs is because of obstructions everywhere, from FDI, to education, to energy etc. Big government still wants to control everything. A Government by definition is big and bloated, and thus cannot be efficient. Capital should flow to wherever it is used most productively. It means more employment in these market chains, and means unemployment for the mom and pop stores. I’m sorry, but I don’t see how uncompetitive people losing jobs is such a bad thing. Unproductive farmers also in the long run need to look at engaging in more productive economic activities. If I use your logic, invention of cars was a bad thing, cause it put so many horse buggy drivers out of work. See where I’m going with this?

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    Rodsamuel Reply:

    Your comments though correct but are out of context. Where is question of government control or socialism exist in retails sector in India? The retails market in India is driven by private sector and based on market forces. India also has few big retailers- reliance, etc. The issue is of allowing foreign companies. If you think US model is so good then why US is facing unemployment and stagnating economy. It is for these reasons that US is pressuring India to allow its companies to set up shops and boost US economy. The Indian SME sector will suffer as these retailers can and will easily import. Benefits to farmers is unknown at this stage but definetely harm the self employed retailers. New job creation is doubtful rather it will be shifting of employment from small stores to big retailers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I don’t think any country’s model is good or bad. I do know that the free market should set prices. Capital should flow to wherever it is used most efficiently. If this means individual retailers will lose jobs, or small farmers will suffer, then that is what it will be. I’m sorry, but people should acquire new skills and make themselves more competitive. I’m not sure where you are going with the US pressuring anyone. The US has been a market to all countries and has allowed all producers to sell their products. In return, what have the other countries given? A whole boat load of protectionism. If now the US asks a country to open a market in return, what is the issue? If this whole process exposes India’s sub par productivity and underemployment, so be it. It cannot be sustained forever.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shakil-Ahmad/1269925364 Shakil Ahmad

    These writers are real friends and chamchas of Rich companies. They do not want poor Indian farmers to prosper. If this writer arguments is correct then all the farmers in America and Europe must be the poorest of all. Because there, veggies are sold in super marts owned by retail chains and not from the basket over head or a thela. If the retail sector comes to India in an organized way, farmers will be able to get sell their products at one point and get their cash. There time will be saved which they can spend on forms cultivate even more. Their products will not be spoiled and rot if they are not able to sell. Quality of product will improve due to competition. I see that it as another step getting closer to developed economy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Excellent reply Shakil.

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  • http://rohanabraham.tumblr.com Rohan Abraham

    At a macro level view, wouldn’t this create more demand? As prices will be competitive and goods will be easier to obtain for the consumer.

    More demand would lead to more consumption. More money flowing back to the retailer and supplier. While I understand some of that will be kept by the retainer, lots of it would go back to the supplier as well, right? Isn’t it better to have that, than to sit back and say no we cant do it because the farmer will lose? I think that’s quite pointless.

    Using that logic, we should close down large malls, multiplexes etc. Pointless again.

    This is just my opinion.

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  • Anish

    Not sure how this gentleman even allowed to write misleading blog.. Its common sense that this will bring huge investments for creating supply chain, cold storage which will create huge jobs.. Kirana stores are cheat.. they sell inferior good at high price .. with no return policy. If you want to return something .. you are doomed … do you suggest , India should shop all over life in such a manner.. ?? When global retailers come.. competition will increase and consumer and suplier 9 farmer) will be benefitted.. If you are crying for those corrupt middleman than its fine .. they just contorl the supply and artifically increase the price … please do some research and then write… when computers came to india .. these kind of people said it will increase unemployment.. now India as over 25 M in computer related industry .. This is good chance to get rid of this corrupt trader lobbies.. I am coming from farmer background .. and traders will simply refuse to take your stuff if you ask good price … in the end you do not have choice to sell at reduce price as it will rot..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eventually this will turn into a farmers vs corporations battle with the govt. on the side of the corporations. This battle is in a advanced stage in America, with the corporations close to winning. See this:
    http://www.healingtalks.com/health/decades-of-suppressing-and-now-criminalizing-of-raw-milk-sales/

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  • Anonymous

    These were the same concepts backward thinking folks always had , when computer technology & communication techology was freed and opened up in india 20 years back – their theory was india will lose lakhs of jobs…what would’ve happened to our youth of india today if then we had listened to them. Let the customer decide what they want and let india have investment in logistics and supply chain and customer front infrastructure…it will be best boon india could have when we look back 10 years from now in both manpower work force it will create and also the modern techology it will bring from Farm to the customer !!! The naysayers will always be naysayers….who have their own vested interests to keep the same old hoaders and middle man traders who are pinching money from both farmers and the customers

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    Rohan Abraham Reply:

    Well said!

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  • Anonymous

    Whatever paul…i too stay in usa for last 12 years and u are absolutely wrong. The single biggest reason for low food inflation in usa is Walmart’s every day low prices and highly efficient technology and logistics efficiency and smaller mom and pop thrives here too. There will be always be small nbr of haters of a company due to their vested interests…you cannot change their mindset. India needs to remove the 5 to 10 touch points between Farmers and consumers. The baniyawalas and trade mafiya unions have been making lot of profit by not paying the farmers and then making consumers asking high price to customers with low quality stuff this has been going on for last 60 years…. In case you do not know 40 to 50 % of india’s vegetables and fruits are damaged before reaching customers. I accolade this FDI opening rule change…this is the best change indian farmers and customers will have…competition is always a good thing. Do not make it far fetched by connecting walstreet demos to these…. You are correct this will be a big inflection point for india…but for good though…

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    Paul Reply:

    ratz,

    You argue that small farmers will benefit from large corporations. Could you tell me how many small farmers or for that matter family farms exist or are profitable in US? The biggest players in Agriculture market continue to be other corporate farms who have been taking over family farms. I live in an Agricultural state and have seen this first hand. The Agriculture subsidies is a s/ham and finally Americans are waking up to the reality.
    I am no socialist but at the same time want a captalist system that that is fair and open.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    paul,
    You are mixing Apples and Oranges. The FDI opening rule is for FDI in retail frontend and not for taking farm land from farmers !! In USA for generations it has been big land owned family farmers. I believe this fdi opening is fair and open and will benefit both in the increase of jobs for workforce in future and also improve our supplychain logistics.

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  • Ram Singapore

    Bhaiya you are right Congress party and NCP honcho Sharad Pawar are behind this game. All this policy has done has confirmed they have done backroom deal with BIG FDI retailers and Indian corporate and mid term elections are around the corner. Congress LADLA Rahul GANDHY and Ms,Sonia are making HAY while Govt is stil in their hands KAL KA KAUN JANTA HAI!

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  • Alexmon

    i feel i will be benfitted by the move to allow foreign direct investment since i will be able to get quality products at a cheaper price. iam sure that farmers will get better price for the products. also wastage of food grains will be considerably reduced

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eventually this will turn into a farmers vs corporations battle with the govt. on the side of the corporations. This battle is in a advanced stage in America, with the corporations close to winning. See this:
    http://www.healingtalks.com/health/decades-of-suppressing-and-now-criminalizing-of-raw-milk-sales/

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  • Alexmon

    sir,

    the middle man and the small time traders are also not into the bussiness of helping the so called aam admi

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  • hh

    if u eliminate the intermediate 3+ retailer, u are talkin about complete collapse of economy of atleast 30% population, plus the economy of population{doctors, small hospitals, nursing homes, CAs, lawyers, almost all other smaller professional services, esp in smaller cities} which is dependent on this very 30% population….

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  • Anonymous

    The logic applies to Congless too, my bengali friend. Congress is the original Baniya party, and they also get hafta from shopkeepers, more so than any other party. So your informed analysis, is really, just a pile of dung.

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  • Anonymous

    Eventually this will turn into a farmers vs corporations battle with the govt. on the side of the corporations. This battle is in a advanced stage in America, with the corporations close to winning. See this:

    http://www.healingtalks.com/health/decades-of-suppressing-and-now-criminalizing-of-raw-milk-sales/

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  • Anonymous

    guys this is a post by somebody from australia from another news blog

    prakash234 (Sydney Australia
    13 mins ago (09:06 AM)
    You are a fool if you believe that opening up the Indian retail sector will create 10 million jobs. The multinational retailers may employ these many people but it will render many times more unemployed. The biggest losers will be small business owners and ever bigger losers will be the growers and small manufactures. These giant multinational retailers will squeeze the local growers and have no interest in dealing with small to medium manufactures who cannot supply them at the scale and prices these multinationals will get from China. This will render tens of million of small manufacturers out of business while further blowing out India’s already precarious current account deficit. It is true that these multinationals will employ many people but these shop assistants and cashiers are the lowest paid workers how have no further career prospects. A many large business moguls had started their career from a corner shops. Shop assistants and cashiers will not get any opportunity to become the future entrepreneurs. It is pity that the Indian Government did not have the courage to stand up against the tirade of these multinationals. The whole country will pay the price for this timidity for generations to come.

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  • Anonymous

    YOU GUYS SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CHECK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FARMERS IN THE US.

    Farmers in the usa are now practically slaves to Walmart and Target.

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  • Anonymous

    Check this out why indian states need to participate in Retail modernization otherwise only those states people will be doomed when they look back at other states which welcomed this….
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/services/retailing/fdi-in-retail-to-immensely-benefit-states-like-up-says-cii/articleshow/10894881.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. CII is a lobbying body. Their statements are self serving. They don’t give a sh*t about the small retailers in India.

    2. All this is happening just to allow walmart a foothold in India.

    3. Small retailers and farmers are not equipped to handle competition from companies like walmart.

    4. Efficiency won’t increase magically by just hand waving. There’s nothing walmart can do that we can’t do ourselves.

    5. When Walmart begins to have lot of stores and thus more clout in India, they will become a MONOPOLY. Then they will start to pay farmers LESS. This is what happened in USA. It will happen here.

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  • Anonymous

    So farmers did get a higher price? Sounds like farmers did get benefits. It takes time for things to trickle down. Once 3-4 big players become dominant, it will put downward pressure on prices. On the specific question of apples, more data is needed to determine causality. There may be other factors in play. But, one the whole, small farmers and small retailers are inefficient users of resources and are a cost to the economy. I get the moral argument. But, inefficient resources should find a way to get new skills, or be simply left behind. Yes – the world is cruel, I get it.

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