Anna’s anti-Congress encore



Anna Hazare’s anti-corruption encore at Jantar Mantar was riddled with contradictions the mainstream media failed to catch. There’s a lot for which the UPA has to answer. But the veteran Gandhian’s focus on the UPA regime at the Centre while discussing whistle-blowers who died in BJP-ruled states brought out in stark relief his anti-Congress bias.

In a democracy everybody has the right to attack rulers — be it at the Centre or in provinces. But Team Anna was intellectually wanting in overlooking administrative lapses, even complicity, in BJP ruled states in the fight against graft.

They flagged the sacrifices of upright activists in Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Jharkhand but treated the saffron party with kid-gloves, Kiran Bedi singling it out for praise for its support for placing the CBI under the proposed Lok Pal.

Ms Bedi cannot be ignorant of the fact that law and order is a state subject. One may therefore ask the former IPS officer as to whose responsibility it was to afford protection to the deceased whistleblowers? Or for that matter providing compensation and speedy justice to their families?

To stretch further the argument, is it not true that smaller parties running governments in states teamed up with the BJP and the Left to stall a model Lokayukta law. Their plea: making the legislation mandatory for States was antithetical to the federal spirit of the Constitution.

Regional outfits insist it’s their right to determine the architecture, functioning and appointment procedures for state lokayuktas at the expense of uniformity in contesting corruption. A natural corollary of such lopsided approach would be that each state will have its own brand of ombudsman.

The best protection for whistleblowers is instilling in their predators the fear of honest enforcement of law. Can that be done by the Centre alone when provincial regimes are more keen on guarding their turf instead of setting up robust anti-graft forums where honest people can blow whistle away from the hearing distance of corrupt politicos and policemen?

The answer should be an affirmative yes. But not so for the myopic Anna and his lieutenants who want police cases against central ministers on the basis of newspaper reports of involvement in graft. Even here they apply a different yardstick to themselves and to potential allies such as Baba Ramdev who were similarly named by the media.

Charity doesn’t obviously begin from home for Team Anna, whose language of communication is as much objectionable as some of their tactics. The Bollywood idiom they so frequently use adds no luster to their campaign. About time they reworked their act to acquire a more serious and balanced approach to fighting corruption.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr.Sharma’s reaction to different stances of Anna & team.
    1. If Anna slams Congress ONLY – Sharma bitter, very unhappy, shaking with anger while smiling.

    2. If Anna slams Congress and its allies – Sharma angry but not shaking violently..but still smiling.

    3. If Anna slams UPA and NDA – Sharma partially happy, shaking stops but smile widens.

    4. if Anna slams UPA and BJP – Sharma happy, shaking non-existent but smiles keeps widening.

    5. If Anna slams only BJP – Sharma jumps with joy, Joins Anna’s team and calls BJP party of dacoits, dalal, thief, murderes..all this while laughing and smiling.

    What does Sharma get in return from Congress? A useless position in national minority commission..Sharma tries again..smiling..

    Good luck Sharmaji.

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    AshishC Reply:

    rofl

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Now Now Now !! U have given Vinodji a challenge to prove you wrong….will he take it up?

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    Sumit Reply:

    you hit the nail on its heaD

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    your bias for congress party and its supreme leader doesn’t need repetition.
    However that shouldn’t have persuaded you to make misleading and contradictory statements. Let me elaborate on just a couple of them:

    1.Making the legislation mandatory for states is antithetical to the federal structure of the constitution: This IS NOT the position of all states. Only WB took this position.

    2. In the name of uniformity, the centre cannot arrogate to itself enact laws on subjects which fall in the domain of the states. Lokayukta is in the sphere of the states. Even if there are differing laws in the states, why should it matter to the centre if the laws and the implementation are satisfactory? Uttarkhand has shown that states can have strong Lokayukta laws as suggested by Anna and team.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For both the points, Sharma has readymade rebuttal “India is not a federal state”..but if BJP was making such laws, he would have changed his position on federal structure of India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe there is a clause that Lokayukta would act only when 100% legislators agree ! What are the chances that all of them would agree ?

    Utalkhand Lokayukta is designed to fail !

    @ Manohar,

    I need your help in researching this.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharmaji

    The level of poltical discourse has been lowered by the Congress and I think you should admit this in case we need to rescue our national jewel, the Indian national Congress from its present pit.

    a) Why does not the COngress renounce dynastic succession and instead choose leaders thru elections or through a policy which says we want India to follow UK, Australia, US and Russia and not north korea, Cuba, Somalia and Saudi Arabia where families own the country.

    b) In the UP elections the cutting society along communal lines and then pasting it in an attempt to create a vote bank was very sad. I think we as a nation have suffered at the lack of nationalism in the trolls who campaigned in UP. The Congress of PV Rao, MMS and co should revolt and kick out the guys who did this.

    c) We all wish that you aritculate the feelings of the janata on TV and not of the cliche’ ridden– “hum khaandan ki wafaa se sewa karenge…” type of old hindi film dialogues…

    c)

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    You asked for Hindi equivalent of word- Deewar_. it is Bhitti- T is pronounced softly as in -Titli-. Another word is Varrya. These words are not used in routine. Deewar is the popular name.
    Now, Be, used currently as a mildly abusive/ disrespectful word- as in kyon Be.In its originality, this is short form of Beg- A high ranking military officer in old Turkish Army. This was brought to India by Turkish officers in Mogul Army. It is still used in Middle east in a respectful way of address.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    The word for deewar in our language is bhit and yes, t is softly pronounced.
    It is a very common word used quite frequently.

    Since the topic of Anna has started again let me be the first to say this.

    Parliament and its members are supreme. Others do not matter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Others do not matter as long as they serve the supreme as per their wishes. The “others” will be dealt with sternly and severely if they cross the line drawn by the supreme.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj, Mahesh, Ravi & Mohan

    Window – vaataayan (Marathi), khiDki
    Door – daar (perhaps shortened from darwaazaa), taaTi, darwaajaa (*) (Marathi + Hindi)

    Wall – bhitti (Hindi), bhint (Marathi), deewaar

    Purdah = paDdaa (Hindi + Marathi)

    * There is no equivalent alphabet in devanagari for z as in zindagi it would be written as jindagi, perhaps pronounced as zindagi.

    Corrections welcome.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am happy that you brought so many words forward. Really speaking, I was not aware of so many and was scratching my head. I know about 100 arabic words and other words, routinely used in Hindi/ urdu and many other Indian languages because off intermingling of so many cultures, particularly in North.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    One word comes to my mind is Dwar-hindi for Darwaza/ Door. In common language it is also pronounced as Duar.

    Ravi Reply:

    As in

    तेरे दुआर खड़ा इक जोगी

    न मांगे वो सोना चाँदी मांगे दर्शन देवी

    तेरे दुआर खड़ा इक जोगी

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Correct.

    AshishC Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Dwar is of Sanskrit origin.

    Ravi Reply:

    I learn something. Thank you Manohar and Dr Pankaj.

    I must say whilst these are Hindi words, but I can say, without any hesitation, that I have never come across them in any usage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Their usage may not be very common.

    AshishC Reply:

    I hesitated to join in because Hindi (proper version) is not my strong point.
    In Bengali bhitti exists as a word- I would use it when I speak among regular Bengali speakers- it means foundation. In fact it is more used as “bhitti-heena”- literally weak foundation- referring to an argument without merit.
    Now, only thing we need to figure out is if this word is Tat-sam or Tat-bhav. If it is Tat-sam (exactly as is in Sanskrit) then, I would wager bhitti would mean foundation rather than wall in Hindi as well.
    -sd- a linguistic forensic science student

    Anonymous Reply:

    On the Internet it only seems to suggest wall.
    BTW: In Marathi its variation bhint /bhinti means only wall

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    It is true that in present dispension, parliament and incumbent government has big power in the matter of governance. But I see Anna movement as SIGNAL FROM MASSES. No Government can ignore these signals, otherwise, Arab Spring may become Indian spring.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Because they cannot ignore, they are trying to discredit them.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Yes Parliament is the supreme executive.

    It is Okay in a mature democracy to lobby the parliament, but there is an acceptable process as to how that should be conducted.

    A dharna, perpetual threats of interrupting the Government’s work, blatant blackmailing, etc. are a long way from how lobbying should be conducted.

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  • Anonymous

    I may be excused for taking a diversion from the topic under discussion so soon, even before the discussion has begun.

    Gujarat riots: SC refuses to interfere on Nanavati summoning Narendra Modi

    The bench said it cannot monitor the working of the commission and interfere at every stage when it passes some order.

    The Nanavati Commission, while rejecting JSM’s plea to summon Modi and others, had held that “there exists no material to summon the chief minister and other persons perverse and utterly contrary to the record”.

    IS IT THE END OF THE ROAD FOR THE TEESTAS, MUKUL SINHAS AND THEIR DISCREDITED NGO’S?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    They will go to International court at Hague, Nedherlands

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In this regard, earlier, Teesta Setalvad had floated a trial balloon, but it became Balwinder’s belan and on the rebound, hit Teesta hard. The SC severely castigated her and told her that if she repeats the tamasha, she would be thrown into jail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    IS IT THE END OF THE ROAD FOR THE TEESTAS, MUKUL SINHAS AND THEIR DISCREDITED NGO’S?

    No, Certainly not. They will have endless supply of funds from Congress for years to come. This 7-8 years rule has made congress very rich perhaps even richer than Ambanis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    You need not have used the word perhaps. It is definite.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    You need not have used the word perhaps. It is definite.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    Team Anna needs both a civics lesson and a tutorial on civility.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok

    Since you have observed this, why don’t you teach them?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What Ashok has to say about civility shown by Rahul in UP elections?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the UP elections is a new low in the glorious history of the Indian National Congress. It should strengthen our resolve to rescue it from social butterflies and trolls and restore it to the glory of Nehru, Gandhi, Sardar patel…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Another lesson they have imparted (in less than in year’s time) is how to make themselves irrelevant. It seems now that no political party will touch them with a barge pole and also not take them seriously. Even public support has dwindled drastically – only 4000 people turned up on a Sunday. If they had held the fast on a working day, perhaps less than 1000 would have turned up (recall the December fiasco in Bombay and Delhi).

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    1) First a query – is it right to refer Anna Hazare as a veteran Gandhian? IMO, he certainly does not deserve to be referred as such, given his utterances. Perhaps you did as a matter of courtesy.

    2) Having lost the plot long time ago (the Bombay fiasco does not seem to have been driven home), they are shifting the goalposts. Lokpal has been relegated to 2014 (as their dire threats of fasting unto death does not scare anyone anymore and are now talking about throwing UPA out of power then – the fact the UPA might loose the elections in any case). Now they want FIRs to be registered against ministers by August (a) If they are so convinced why don’t they themselves file them? (b) If they are not filed by then, then what? Again a threat of fast unto death!!!!!

    3) Their target is the Congress Party and not the political class as a whole. They must be really daft by bringing up whistleblowers cases from non-Congress ruled states (all BJP) to target the Congress/UPA. Also forgetting the fact the BJP and the other parties are crying hoarse about federalism and Law & Order is a state subject. They should have taken up the cases with respective states, but then the truth is that their target is the Congress. I repeat they must be really daft.

    4) The tongue lashing they got from all the parties today in the parliament should have a sobering effect on them, though I doubt it, instead they will come with some more ludicrous statements.

    5) As you have correctly said, there is nothing cilvilised about their language.

    As I have always maintained, it was a Nautanki from day one and like the TV serials (saas bahu types) are attempting to stretch it beyond belief and time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. Is it necessary to be a Gandhian so that people take you seriously? Why this strict imposition of gandian ideals who may not believe in gandhi or partially believe in Gandhi?

    2. It failed in Mumbai because of many other reasonb. The biggest reason was ‘Wrong time’ and ‘Wrong venue’.

    3. The Congress has the power to bring in Lokpal or block it. It has been the party who has been attacking or stalling Anna from day one so why do you expect Anna to spare Congress?

    4. I think tongue lashing has been a two way street. With the appointment of Raja Bhaiyya as minister, tongue lashing by Anna and team seems to be more credible.

    5. I have never seen Laloo, Sharad Yadav, Diggi and Rahul ever use civil language. If Anna team is using uncivil language, they have right to do so after getting frustrated for months.

    Actually I see whole Congress party as nautanki mandali..and supporters like you are extras in that nautanki.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brilliant!!

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pankaj

    Which city of US are u in these days ?!!

    Could’nt catch up with you in Delhi… but maybe in May end in US. Our team is filing a process patent. Would love to get some more jokes out of you.

    Anyway … if nothing… maybe I’ll try to spot you in a casino in Vegas…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    I believe you have my e mail. If not, Shenoy Sahab can provide you. Looking forward to see you.
    Best.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes I will mail u !

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ashish

    Your crack of the Rajiv Gandhi feel Good Yojana is definately a hit. :)

    At a party at my house two days bacl it fooled a few friends… including a journo… who is all Congress and left front. It certainly set my house on fire– with laughter!

    Well don’t be too surprised in case a rather attractive journo features it in a spoof in her writings !

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    AshishC Reply:

    It is Rahul Gandhi Feel Rich Yojana.. with an easy to pronounce Aar Gee FRY

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  • Anonymous

    I totally agree… Ashish has come up with an original..

    According to me RGFY should stand for ‘Rahul Gandhi F*** yourself’

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar/ Ashish/ Ravi;
    Agree that there is no letter to symbolise Z in Hindi, the problem has been solved by putting a dot under J as in Jindagi. However, Nukte ke fark se, kabar, Khabar ban jaati hai. So one should be cautious.
    Ashish, I am happy that you joined here. I respect your depth and command of language. Hindi, to my understanding is 85% Sanskrit and then rest. Bengali and almost all, barring Tamil, has large input from Snaskrit. Tamil has a proud history of its own. We are not linguist forensics but with an interest in literature.

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    Ravi Reply:

    नुक्ते की हेर फेर ने खुदा से जुदा कर दिया

    نکتے کی ہر پھر نے خدا سے جدا کر دیا

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Wonderful.

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    Ravi Reply:

    The meaning of this phikra is quite profound.

    Movement of a single dot separated me from God.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj janaab

    Have a read of this, one of my favourites.

    क्यों न फिरदौस को दोज़ख में मिला लें यारब
    सैर के वास्ते थोड़ी सी फ़ज़ा और सही

    You are tapping into 5 decades of passion

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow.
    Khoob gujaregi jab mil baithenge diwane do.

    Ravi Reply:

    Thanx

    Anonymous Reply:

    Bengali and hindi have common root .It is called MAGHADI PRAKRIT.
    tHE ORIGINAL WORD IS gaccha pinda, which means TREE.
    That word in bengali is Gaach meaning tree, pinda becomes Peyr in hindi meaning tree.As taught by my bengalee christian teachers at Scottish Church collegiate School, on the subject of History of Bengalee Literature.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Great. Thanks Shan, you brought in a new perspective. All these languages are our languages and we should strive to understand them. keep in touch.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharma must take a sedative pill & go to bed ! Comments on Team Anna is too big a subject for him. We have bad bloggers & Mr. Sharma is one of them !

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    Main Bhi Anna Reply:

    when someone shakes the brittle foundations of your faith, he does not become a commoner, rather a revolutionary………anna should take a piles medicine and rest…..his dhoti has been pulled down and he has been exposed….

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  • Anonymous

    Gar jhamele na hote aur gar hoti asan zindagi
    na yaad aata khuda hamein na karte kbhi bandagi

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Aap se interact kar ke ek Ajeeb si khushi hoti hai. These two lines fit for a large number of normal common folks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pamkaj,

    Same here

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    My reply to your this post were two words. Same here. Even that has been removed.
    There seems to be a bug in there system, I hope there IT people are working on that.

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    Ravi Reply:

    बहुत खूब

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Thanks. I thought sanyaas le liya hai.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Read that a court in Pakistan has remanded two hindu women to a shelter to give them time to consider about their conversion. Jh…. sulag gayeen. How this conversion happened at first place? now and here, I say, I have protected, beautiful, young muslim women from, God forbid, untold misery. Each female is, Mother, Sister, and daughter, apart from a human being. Present day Pakistan, is Wahashi and it is duty of world to finish this poisonous strain in the society of Pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

    Actually you all this Mohan.

    Paikhaane mein gaya tha maikhana samajh kar
    lote ka paani pee gaya paimana samajh kar.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    It is an old sher, but still , entertains us. I am forgetting the name of Shayar, who specialized in this field.
    Sher is not mukammil ( it is improvisation) just now, as I am a bit high, :
    Aasan nahin hai in paon pe baithna, yahan Achhe Achhe ko nikal jaati hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Yes I had heard this more that 25 years go.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    not in your class. Give us the Mohan brand.

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  • Anonymous

    I see Indian languages being discussed and sounds missing from Hindi alphabet.

    All Indian languages alphabet is derived from Brahmi alphabet. Other than Indian languages, thai, sinhalese, tibetan, bhutanese too use Brahmi alphabet.

    There is phonetic keyboard that is shared by all Indian languages.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Script_Code_for_Information_Interchange

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InScript

    I worked in this field for 5 years.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Rajeev;
    Welcome to the phonetic club. happy that you worked on this for five years. you are a specialist here, where we are amatures. welcome again.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    In my 5 years in this area, I was fascinated by scientific nature of Indian alphabet and the best part is if you know brahmi alphabet, you know alphabet for every Indian language.
    All the indian languages can be transliterated which gives anyone capablility to read any language in his/her choice of alphabet.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow;
    I am impressed. will interact with you more.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Went to wikipedia, as link provided by you. It was very difficult for uninitiated ones like me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I was only trying to show that Devanagari script may not have ‘Z’ sound but brahmi script which is a superset provides all sound.
    In fact many Indian languages have more sounds than hindi such as Marathi and some like tamil have fewer sounds than Hindi.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Rajeev.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev/Pankaj

    Zaal = woman and some times used this word for wife also.
    Zar = jewellery

    In Sindhi – written script is called Arbi Sindhi and is written from right to left – there are 52 alphabets.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Very interesting. Will try to look inti this brahmi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Most of the bi-lingual Voter Id cards were dealt with phonetic KB systems like this back in Sheshan days.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I headed that effort in Maharashtra, AP and Orissa.

  • Anonymous

    More on Indian languages and multilingual capabilities on computer.
    http://pune.cdac.in/html/gist/gistidx.aspx

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  • Anonymous

    Folks MMS is now visiting SOUTH KOREA. Perhaps bloggers need to reflect on these facts. In 1960 South Korea’s economy WAS THE SAME SIZE OF PAKISTAN.
    South Korea was inducted into united Nations in 1990.In 1985, south korea ASSEMBLED PHASED OUT FORD GRANADA model , WITH MINOR MODIFICATION AND SOLD BACK AT HALF THE PRICE.This was their first car manufacture, Oh yes they used to eat DOG , food being so scarce.
    Korean women were forcibly used as COMFORT WOMEN to give “comfort” to JAAPNESE INFANTRY and were taken to the theatre of war.
    Now KOREAN COMPANIES BUILT WHOLE OF DUBAI.
    Compare VIDEOCON AND SAMSUNG you will get all the answers.
    No wonder india is pushing KOREA TO OPEN MARKEY FOR OUR OUR MANGOES, AND BEGGING THEM TO VISIT THE BUDDHIST SITES IN INDIA , WITH THE FOND HOPE OF NETRALISING TRADE IMBALANCE

    The word UNDER ACHEIVER comes to mind
    Sleep well , for MERA BHARAT MAHAN, and put Madhavan Nair in Jail and PAY COMPENSATION TO KANIMOJHI , RAJA AND SHAHID BALWA FOR UNLAWFUL DETENTION

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    Your frustation is shared by many here. Yes, South Korea is miracle. What to talk of miracle done by us, we are very bad imitators as well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan-

    South Korea was a military dicattorship for a long time… Asian Tigers – South korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and to some extent Malaysia – all are/were controlled societies.. May be growth and prosperity first, then democarcy ….

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    That is why Emergency was such a good productive period – no stikes, agitations, protests. People worked and with much more honesty than one can imagine; Indians were a disciplined and peaceful lot during those 2 years. Then Nasbandi happened and the rest is history.

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  • Anonymous

    Apni kismet par kya rona jab khuda hi mukar gaya meri taqdeer likh kar
    Poocha to bola ki yeh meri likhawat hi nahin.

    Good night guys.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod again at his sycophantic best. Roti ka sawaal hai yaar!

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  • Anonymous

    FRIENDS AND ANNA ATTACKERS, lend me your ears.
    ____________________________________________________________
    so mohan and manohar say parliament is supreme. Yes sirji but all they gave me was SHAME
    You sauy Anna is not polished. Yet I say, he is honest. He will not steal billions amd will not kill anyone.
    I am vaary simple man, I like his simple boli. He is half Gandhian. To kill coruption we need to take 100 sreps. Lst august he took 20 and we all celebrated. Now movement has lost momentum, gone back 5 paces and you all dance at his misfortune? Sad
    See the steel in him my blogers.
    I see Ravi has come out of manhole as shayar. Good, his last bullshit on Sikh riots had everyone here wanting to qatal him. Baat kya hui, baat itni hui. Bhari mehfil mein woh benaqab ho gaye

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Balwinder ji;
    let us see good part in every one. bad things will take care of themselves. Beeti Tahi bisar de, Aage ki sudh leyi. Until Ravi posts some offensive posts, we should not ukhado, gade murde.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tussi theek boley dr pankaj. Mainu gussa tab aaya when he abused me. All of us attacked his most crooked twisted thoughts but never abused him. To abuse means you are low class, jaat dikh jaati hai.
    Never mind

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sirjee;
    Asi kadi nain dasya ke gaalli jhelo . To react is human but to forgive is even better. Ravi, Saanu gaali ditta he, but I have forgotten that already.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,

    You did not get my sarcastic tone when I talked about supreme parliament.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Honestly speaking, the dishonesty of Anna and team has disappointed the people.

    In last few months, Anna has said more lies right on the camera more often than anybodyelse. If you make a collage of hi

    Be it idea about expanding his core team, not admitting the help from RSS , going to state elections and canvassing against the Congress, or not talking about the name of the state while mentioning about the whistleblower who died unceremoniously.

    Anna is throttled by this core team exactly like the way Kanshiram was held captive and throttled by Mayawati.

    Anna is a parrot. A mere horse that some people are riding for their own selfish interests.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The tragedy is that many people think that Team Anna can do wrong and are in denial about its shenanigans and downright dishonesty.

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  • Anonymous

    Alistair MaCaulay, chief dance critic of NY Times visited various dance centres (Chidambaram, Tanjore, Bhubaneshwar, etc) to understand the roots of Nritagarm dances… quirte inteersting observations.. He talks about loud recorded background music engulfing the sound of the slap of the sole sof the dancers feet , the jinkling of their anklle bells…. also cell phones usage while performance is on …..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/arts/dance/nrityagram-dance-and-other-indian-troupes-in-new-york.html

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistani fr—ers are on their usual agme– kidnapping and forcefully converting Hindus/others…A news in today’s NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/world/asia/pakistani-hindus-say-womans-conversion-to-islam-was-coerced.html

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  • anil

    Mr. Vinod Sharma, if Congress is vanished today India will at least get ist share of crooks ruling ye country vanished by more then 70/80%. Rest will easily fall in line.

    Instead of philosoph-ising on things that matters less try to be little bit practical. Trying to confuse people more on issues that does not give a solution is not an answer although it may sound a bit catchy catchy for high “flyers” in the land of brown sahibs.

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  • Niranjan Desai

    corrected headline “Anna’s anti-Criminal Congress encore”

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  • Anonymous

    @Manohar

    I believe there is a clause in Uttarakhand Lokayukta Act that the Lokayukta would act only when 100% legislators agree !

    Is it true ?

    What are the chances that all of them would agree ?

    Utalkhand Lokayukta is designed to fail !

    I need your help in researching this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have not not gone through the details of the act. It is supposed to be a near carbon copy of the Jan Lok Pal bill and many provisions seemingly unconstitutional. Even Arun Jaitely had admitted (in Shekhar Gupta’s walk with the talk show ) that if challenged, the act or many of its provisions would be struck down. Only someone has to challenge in the High Court.

    Try this

    http://www.uk.gov.in/files/Documents/ENGLISH_-_UTTARAKHAND_LOKAYUKTA_BILL__2011.pdf

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @manohar

    Thanks for the link. A quick glance and I got this :

    *****************************
    CHAPTER VI INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION AGAINST HIGH FUNCTIONARIES

    No investigation or prosecution shall be initiated without obtaining permission from the Bench of all the members with Chairperson against any of the following persons:-
    (i) The Chief Minister and any other member of the Council of Ministers.
    (ii) Any Member of Uttarakhand Legislative Assembly.

    **************************

    please note :

    “No investigation or prosecution shall be initiated without obtaining permission from the Bench of “all the members” with Chairperson ” ……..”

    What are chances that all members would agree ?

    The Lokayukta can not even “initiate the investigation”, forget about the prosecution !!!

    It’s like having an elaborate Boeing 787 with a flat tyre ! Or, missing bolt from the fuel tank !

    is this just a show piece for the public consumption ?

    Is this what the Team Anna suggested to the Uttarakhand Govt. ?

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The original Jan Lok Pal draft was a joke (laughable at many of its provisions), drafted in a hurry (possibly needed something quick to beat their opponents with), flawed (in spite of the fact its drafting committee had a retired supreme court judge and other supreme court lawyers – didn’t they know the India’s constitution?. Of course, it did not matter whether it was flawed or not – the fine print was never explained to general public or not deemed necessary (the general public would have never not appreciate the finer nuances of the act in any case).

    Eliminating or reducing corruption was never their agenda, it was something else, as has been proved on Sunday, they have pushed the enactment to 2014 (two years down the line). Why, if one may ask them?

    It was Operation Target Congress (nothing wrong per se, but then do not go about it surreptitiously) instead of taking on the whole political class, if indeed they were concerned about corruption in our society. There is allegation that this whole act (nautanki) was outsourced by the BJP, notwithstanding the fact that Sushma Swaraj went hammer and tongs at them yesterday (may be to reclaim their space, having realised that the whole outsourcing went terribly wrong).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that we have a Congress govt. in the state,what should we expect? Would they fix this flaw or enjoy it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why not let the Congress enjoy it, because, IMO, both the Congress and the BJP are ‘ek khet ki mooli hain’.

    Whether there is Lokayukta Act (flawed or otherwise) or not, corruption is not going to go away or reduce. The solutions lie elsewhere, not by having a Lokayukt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that we have a Congress govt. in the state,what should we expect? Would they fix this flaw or enjoy it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that we have a Congress govt. in the state,what should we expect? Would they fix this flaw or enjoy it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that we have a Congress govt. in the state,what should we expect? Would they fix this flaw or enjoy it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like they will enjoy it like the NDA would have if you consider it to a flawless as widely acclaimed attempt by BJP !

    Do you think it’s flawed?

    Do you think BJP got this flaw deliberately built in ?

  • Anonymous

    Rajeev,

    you said, “What does Sharma get in return from Congress? A useless position in national minority commission..Sharma tries again..smiling..”

    Is the ‘member of National Commission for Minoroties’ a useless post?

    Was that why Vinodji maintained a stony silence along with all seculars, when a Christian pastor of Kashnir, Rev.Khanna, was foisted with a blasphemy charge and made to apologise (and also leave Kashmir)?

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  • Anonymous

    Here too, may posts (nothing offensive in their content) are being removed with ID being changed to Guest.

    What is happening? Is it Disqus or ………..

    !!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even one of Balwinder’s comment is removed. Funny.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Somebody in HT’s IT appears to be testing new features rollout on live deployment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    based on blacklisted words ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Doesn’t look like a rudimentary implementation based on stop words.
    Looks more of a software bug than anything else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks more like the disqus has got into the bad habit of shooting the messenger and the message (just to make sure) – no naamo nishaan. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks more like the disqus has got into the bad habit of shooting the messenger and the message (just to make sure) – no naamo nishaan. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks more like the disqus has got into the bad habit of shooting the messenger and the message (just to make sure) – no naamo nishaan. ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Sanjayji

    Corruption is an evil which has reduced our society to a dog eat dog state. Today morning I had to visit the police station to rescue a friend who is wrongly accused by his wife of dowry and domestic violence though from all evidence it was plain that he had objected to an affair she was having.

    The police is only willing to help if a hefty consideration is given.

    There must thousands of such cases right now.

    If you look at today’s paper– even the Chief of Army staff has taken out a corruption bomb.

    Why can’t there be a powerful body which scares and punishes people from being corrupt?

    I think it Anna winning or losing is not the question. Finding a realisitc answer to this huge evil is the the question.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) I have a strong feeling there is more to the Army Chief’s bribe accusation.

    I am not saying that the company involved is does not bribe people. But till today they did pretty well without bribing any army chiefs before. Suddenly what was need of approaching the army chief for just 600 vehicles. It is not such a large order ! These kind of orders are almost regular transactions for the army.

    Any high ranking retired officer should know that ! Somebody got give a plausible answer.

    2) I did not talk about Anna winning or losing. I was commenting Balwinder’s viewpoint that Anna is honest.

    Anna is not honest, unless you find new meanings to the honesty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    C’mon Sanjay,

    Right now I am not in a combative mood as I pretty disgusted by the way some women twist well meaning laws to get their way through and tell lies.

    Anyhow, Anna’s work was huge in his village on the rainwater harvesting front. His getting the issue to the forefront is huge. Nobody is a messiah or a Mahatma and we should not hunt for them either.

    I have a little experience in negotiating contracts. My approach would have been to get something going first– that is get the bill thru even in a less effective manner.

    Once you have an entry, you can always highlight what are the shortcomings and how you can improve further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When the laws are made, some people will always find a way to twist them to their advantage. But one has to protect women out there. They are in worse situation. Most of them are actually victim of domestic violence.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I guess you are right. But from what I could make out at the police station, 80% of the cases registered under dowry and domestic violence are false and are a way to settle scores.

    The provisions are so stringent– the woman’s false complaint can get you inside on a non bailable offence. Or at least no bail for 15 days.

    This is no law. Just a handle for the police to make money and for some women to get away with anything.

    How can we assume that all women would be “pure goddesses” ? Why does the law only recognise women as wives but not women who are mother in laws?

    Even in the famous NOIDA dowry case, where Nisha Sharma became a national heroine by cancelling her marriage on the pretext that dowry was being asked for has turned out to be false. She was having an affair on the side and had married one guy called Rai.

    The pure groom became the centre of world attraction. And had to fight for eight years to get his name cleared. AND THE COURT DID NOT PUNISH NISHA SHARMA FOR A FALSE ACCUSATION….

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s why I talk of politics here on the blog and not at home. Gharwali is pucca BJP supporter.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one !! She is more sensible than you I think … :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    And the MIL is even far more staunch BJP supporter. Now you can imagine the plight !
    Talk of harassment !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Double lucky…

    God has willed that someday you will see sense beyond dynasty worship ! :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ask your leaders to be men first. Bloody pathetic bunch of jokers. Can’t even fight a videshi mahila politically. Are they bloddy worth any support ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    They may be useless! But dynasty worship is worthless…

    Anonymous Reply:

    and she has the power to censor the censor!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    This dowry issue is very serious. Many false cases are being
    filed by the girls. One of my close friend had to go through this
    ordeal. He had to pay the girl about Rs. 15 lakhs to clear
    the case and some money to police and lawyers. Later
    we came to know that my friend was her third victim.
    This happened about 15 years ago and they were married
    for one year only.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Beyond dowry another domestic violence protection act has been created. Beleive me… and I saw it right in front of me today, a most vile law.

    A woman having an affair. Huband objects– no violence, he is an IT guy who would’nt kill an insect.

    Woman says give me the house, kids, alimony and uses the police to jail him up. This is legal bullshit.

    There has to be a fair law, which cannot be misused. Not just a blatant biased danda.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    This law 498A is being misused all over India. Yes, there are many instances where
    girls are abused by their husbands, in laws but this law is not the answer.
    This is one sided law.

  • Anonymous

    Even my innocuous sher was removed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan….

    The censor confues the sher with s- -

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yesterday, a Beautiful bhajan of Rafi which I posted for the benefit of all bloggers got chopped off. Interestingly, Rafi sang, “banaaye ja bigaade ja, bigaade ja banaaye ja……hum tere chirag hain, jalaaye ja, bhujaye ja”……….

    and LO! the immoderate moderator ne bigaad hi diya!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Another Rafi gem: ‘ Jinke zuloom se dukhi hai janta har basti har gaon mein, daya dharam ki baat karein woh baith ke saji sabhaon mein ‘.
    Reminds me of our MPS in our Parliament.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kumar,

    Perfect description of our politicians.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kumar,

    I think the censor hates music. I had said that Rafi’s song was censored the first time. But the mere mention of the first line of the song too seems to have invited the censor’s wrath.

    And elsewhere, people are agitating for conferring Bharat ratna on Rafi!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like you need to get past a tiger before you can post a sher. Did you?

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  • Anonymous

    Can corruption be ever removed ?

    We even bribe God by offering parsad. Corruption is in our genes, proper
    systems may bring it down a bit, but a complete eradication ? No way.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think we can reduce it substantially. The Delhi Metro for exapmle was one organisation which worked pretty smoothly under Sreedharan. Or for that matter, the Army was pretty decent till late eighties before the Bofors scam gave the signal that the top guys are looting.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Then why this halla-gulla and obsession with Team Anna’s Lokpal – the fervour has died down in any case and pushed onto the back burner to 2014? Why this moratorium and for whose benefit ? Are they going to ‘overlook’ the corruption until then?

    Will the Team Anna stand up with their real agenda?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This hulla- gulla is not from team Anna only, both the main political parties also
    keep shouting from the roof top whenever they get chance that they want
    ’strong’ Lokpal. Who is opposing this Lokpal ? Team Anna want, almost all
    the political parties also claim that they want this bill to be passed. So, where
    is the problem ? Fight is only for whose version of Lokpal should become law.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Heads I win and tails you lose.

    When Anna was on 13 day long fast last time, the govt. said that – we are working on it and please don’t put a gun on our head to get this passed, please allow some time to deliberate on it. Now that he is prepared to wait until this govt.’s term lasts, you still have a problem.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar & Mohan

    The whole point I have been trying to make is that Team Anna blew it as they kept going. In December they wanted the bill to be passed in three days flat and the Parliament still tried to oblige, the fact that their protests in Bombay and Delhi were damp squibs, to say the least meant was even people getting wary of them. The question for you, why no more short term deadlines accompanied by threats? If you cry wolf too often, then ……..

    The Parliament (being supreme) will do the needful in its own time, as it deems fits.

    They have now shifted goalposts, having failed to get their version of Lokpal bill and in the time they wanted (now that no one pays heed, conveniently put back by 2 years). Now they have taken up 1) cudgels on behalf of whistle blowers and as I said they are barking up the wrong Government – let them go and do so in front of state governments in the glorious tradition of federalism, as law and order is the responsibility of CMs 2) want the Government to file FIRs against 14 ministers by August, apparently based on media reports – let them do it themselves, if they have solid evidence and can even make use of the RTI. Just talking wont do.

    Halla-gulla now seems to be only from Team Anna, how many people turned up on Sunday, a holiday? May be if they had arranged ‘free lunches’ the number would have multiplied several times.

    As I have said, they have lost the plot completely by a disease called ‘ uncivilsed motor-mouths’.

    As for me, even if the MPs and the Government want a Lokpal, I do not agree (and I have said this before), we do not need a monster, who will not deliver.

  • Anonymous

    Ghar mein biwi ne bolne pe pabandi ki hai
    yahaan HT pe likhne pe pabandi ho gayee hai
    Oh khuda tera lakhon shukrana
    ki ab tak kisi ne daru pe pabandi nahi ki hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Ab Saudia door nahin…

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  • Anonymous

    Response of Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal:

    http://news.indiaagainstcorruption.org/?p=4109&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=kiran-bedis-arvind-kejriwals-response-to-todays-parliamentary-proceedings

    It is OK to give tickets to people with dubious record and if one of them becomes a minister, the sky doesn’t fall. However, if someone says that there are some people against whom there are serious charges in the parliament, then the questions are raised? So, what’s the message – we could be facing criminal cases but you can’t say that we are crooked publically!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishawar,

    You don’t know that Parliament and its members are supreme.?

    So what if many of them are cheaters, looters, rapists and some are
    accused of murder too. But again the most and only important thing
    is that Parliament and its members are Supreme.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Parliament and its members are supreme?? this reminds me of french revolution and film Nishant, where, rulers were, once considered demi gods and same were chased and murdered during revolution. Hence it is imperative for parliamentarians to improve, least they meet the same fate.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Yes…
    They are supreme…
    Just that, some of them, though mercifully not all.. are
    supremely corrupt
    supremely arrogant
    supremely confident of never paying for their sins..
    And, supremely dependent on the parliamentary privileges to maintain their fig-leaf of decorum

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Thanks for agreeing with me that they SUPREME.

    “” supremely confident of never paying for their sins..”

    This is the crux of the problem.

    Anonymous Reply:

    fig leaf of size 12.

    Since so large a number of fig leaves are not available in India, they have to be imported from the original figland-Israel.

    Since the import is for the use of our supremely naked MPs, NO import duty will become leviable.

    Till the supplies arrive, a thick langot of a dark cloth also will do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar, Mohan and Ashish

    1) Wouldn’t Team Anna have done a signal service to the country by agitating and going on fasts in front of the headquarters of the various parties, instead of making a tamasha at Ramlila grounds, to tell them – no tickets to the undesirable elements? Perhaps then in recently concluded elections, lesser number of unwanted people would have become MLAs.

    2) Who elects MPs with suspect credentials?

    3) If a criminal elements enter a temple, is the sanctity of the temple violated?

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh / Manohar, honesty and Annaji, did he steal money? Has he promoted dynasty? Is he involved in 2G or is he RobberG. Is he tough on Pakistan. Is ralegaon siddhi a success? If chowkidaar of my farmhouse in Amritsar and my driver and jeans wearing young relatives of mine in India love him shud I send them to mental psychitrist ?
    pl u answer pointwise
    i dont like chattering classes who drink gin and tonic of armchair philosophy while my brother Anna removes international shame of india. I alwYays used to pull pakistani friends legs. THEY BLOODY PULL MINE NOW ON 2G

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What do they tell you about 2G and what do you answer ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Sanjay

    An army Havaldar will talk like an army havaldar. Anna shoots straight. He wont recognise Bolshiviks from Bourgeoisie but will certainly slap a corrupt policeman.

    Take him for that. And thank him for getting the issue of removing corruption upfront.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What a havaldar got to do with Balwinder’s duel on 2G on a pak website ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Anna is an ex havaldar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The pseudos and fakes like Manish Tiwari said, publicly, that Anna Hazare is an army deserter, while the army declared, later, that he had an honourable discharge.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manish Tewari gives no honourable discharges… from his mouth…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Congratulations for obfuscating the issue. Anna’s rank in Military was not even hinted at in the post you have responded to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Be grateful to him for not making any reference to type of vehicles, his salary, his regiment and his superior officer’s name.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    I am replying to you, though I know tp take shelter you will start crying abuse abuse…

    @ Mahesh

    If you are intelligent I was drawing a similie that army people talk straight and that is why I got this similie in.

    But then din mein daru ke side effect…. has hit Manohar now..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me REPEAT :

    What an ex-havaldar got to do with Balwinder’s duel on 2G on a pak website ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    2G essentially stands for 2Gandhis-Sonia and Rahul.

    A scam happens when the BJP ministers/MPs/MLAs do some inappropriate deal involving money or even porn vidoes.

    Zero loss happens when Rs.1.76lac crore get swallowed without a trace.

    No loss of face or fame or reputation happens when congress/UPA ministers go to jail under court orders. It is to be treated as being subjected to harassment of honest persons by the vile BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A+ even by the standards of my grim IIT preofessors

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dishonesty – a lack of probity, cheating, lying or being deliberately deceptive or a lack in integrity, knavishness, perfidiosity, corruption or treacherousness.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,
    See if you can answer some of the points raised by those opposing Team Anna.
    Agar aap woh nahi kar sakte toh baaki sab keval Garm Hawa bankar reh jaati hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,
    This blogs has two camps-
    1. Who support corruption and bash everyone who opposes corruption.
    2. The people who consider Anna as ray of hope that is fighting against corruption.

    In this battle corrupt will win because Anna’s methods are wrong to begin with. This gandhian nautanki is meant for civillized govt. (Brits) not for fascist and corrupt govt. like UPA. The Anna’s team should learn from Swamy the correct way to fight corrupt. This ‘Vande matram and Bharat mata ki jai’ will achieve little.

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  • Anonymous

    Telenor says that it would seek compensation from the govt. if it were to loose the telecom licences in 22 circles:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3250640.ece

    Shouldn’t they be seeking it from A Raja (and his masters/partners)?

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  • Anonymous

    Congressis go and match this:

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/petrol-price-slashed-by-rs-11-in-goa/1/179587.html

    Highlights:
    a. Petrol prices reduced by Rs 11 per litre
    b) Five year freeze on domestic LPG prices
    c) Rs. 1000 to housewives in the family whose annual income is less than 3 lakh
    ———-

    These are benefits which could be verified and enjoyed by the Aam Admi. If this is financially feasible, then shame on Manmohan Singh and his team of economists.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    In Congress states the right on money collected through taxes is of the members
    of Congress party. These BJP people in Goa are fools to distribute this money among aam aadmi by reducing prices of petrol etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And that too in the first year of getting back to power. They should have waited till their fifth year in office to announce such populist measures.

    Manohar also likes Mr. Parriker. I would love to get his reaction on this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Populist budget in first year of their rule. This proves my point that they are fools.
    They have still lot to learn from Congress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I admire Mr. Parrikar. If he has indeed balanced the books (I have not gone into the details) , his measures are more than welcome. I will root for him to be made the BJP’s candidate for the top job in the country and not ………..

    To add to your and my admiration for him. By reducing petrol prices, the petrol pumps in Goa will sell more petrol adding more to the state’s coffers,so as to nullify the cut in taxes. Not all IIT graduates and post graduates are daft. Saluto, Mr. Parrikar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    will petrol be ( kind of ) exported to Mumbai illegally ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    The constraint with Petrol is on supply side and not demand side. So , not sure if cutting of prices will result in increased sales. What might happen instead is the petrol pumps in Goa will compete with those in immediate vicinity (say, from Maharashtra – Konkan region) – this could see some increased sales in pockets, nothing more. Plus ,of course some smuggling of petrol from Goa.
    That said – this is interesting move . We will need to see the implications especially for the inflation.
    p.s. : In a lighter vein …..
    Ab Daaru ki bottles mein Goa se Petrol ki smuggling hogi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh and Sanjay

    In principle, I am against subsidies for petroleum products, except kerosene for the poor of the poorest – lower prices mean oil exporting countries laugh more all the way to their oil fields.

    If the taxes are reduced, provided the books are balanced, they should be welcomed, but no subsidies.

    As for increased consumption due to lower taxes with border towns/areas across Karnataka and Maharashtra also taking advantage, so be it. It happens all over the world. For example, airlines flying into oil rich countries, always make to sure to fully fill in the aircraft fuel tanks, though may not be required for the immediate flight outwards.

    Rs 11 difference may result in smuggling across the state borders, but then the Government and oil companies (all state run) will have to ensure that it does not happen. We will have to wait and watch as to what Goa and the neighbouring states do to prevent it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If other states too reduce tax, it will help.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ab Daaru ki bottles mein Goa se Petrol ki smuggling hogi.

    I hope they do not mix them to make a deadly (pun intended) cocktail.

  • AshishC

    Shan,
    some tid bits..
    South Korea’s GDP was a shade more than India’s till 3 years back- I don’t track it any more. But, just imagine, a country of 50 million odd people matching a 1.2B strong population’s GDP. 44 times richer – on an average.
    It is a lovely country, lovely people- very pretty women- the prettiest girls in Asia are South Koreans, IMO.
    Great food.
    Top maths score among their students- engineering is the profession of choice.
    Korea and Japan have moved on- remnants of tension notwithstanding.
    Very patriarchal society. Very hierarchial. Lots of rituals in daily life- even down to the right way of serving a drink.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Regarding prettiest girls in asia , remember “BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER”. To me all women are beautiful , in all continents , wouldn’t have realised this , unless i came to this country. Some somali refugee girls would make one’s leg go jelly.
    Are you aware all the Lacquer work in japan came through korea.
    I don’t know much about koreans. I have met TWO , one a doctor , one a patient , THE GRAEATEST IMPRESSION I GET IS THEIR HUMILITY

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    AshishC Reply:

    Yes, when I said lovely people- I referred to how polite and down to earth and courteous they were.
    Great hosts too.. but, you need to be able to drink and drink well..

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  • Anonymous

    Blame game has started.

    I asked Army chief to act on bribe offer, but he didn’t: Antony

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-asked-Army-chief-to-act-on-bribe-offer-but-he-didnt-Antony/articleshow/12426526.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The sad thing is that both honest men Gen. Singh and Antony are becoming victim of corrupt system. Both know that strings are pulled from somewhere else.

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  • Anonymous

    I think there is serious bug in Disqus or the moderator of this blog also known as GUEST is a nut.
    It is very strange whenever Dhawan appears on blogs, the posts of others start disappearing.

    Anyway, I am going to report my deleted posts from now on..

    Mr.Sharma’s reaction to different stances of Anna & team.
    1. If Anna slams Congress ONLY – Sharma bitter, very unhappy, shaking with anger while smiling.

    2. If Anna slams Congress and its allies – Sharma angry but not shaking violently..but still smiling.

    3. If Anna slams UPA and NDA – Sharma partially happy, shaking stops but smile widens.

    4. if Anna slams UPA and BJP – Sharma happy, shaking non-existent but smiles keeps widening.

    5. If Anna slams only BJP – Sharma jumps with joy, Joins Anna’s team and calls BJP party of dacoits, dalal, thief, murderes..all this while laughing and smiling.

    What does Sharma get in return from Congress? A useless position in national minority commission..Sharma tries again..smiling..

    Good luck Sharmaji.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    your “shakk” is well founded.

    Sanjay is pretending to be a genuine flesh-and-blood guy, who has, of late, suffered at the hands of the Sibbalian censor as much as any one of us.

    But facts are different. If your posts get deleted/removed and you re-post them, the reposted posts too would without exception disappear.

    Therefore, somebody is applying his mind to censor certain kind of posts, so that they would opt out of here, rather than suffer the insult.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and he thinks that he is doing something great…Chor chori hi karega bhajan nahi.

    If you post on Zia’s blog, your post will not disappear. There is nothing wrong with Disqus..This is dhawan’s ploy to cheat us.

    Have you ever seen manohar’s or ravi’s posts disappearing?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    RajeevS,

    You are absolutely right. For sure Vinod Sharma is a Congress party’s strong propagandist and i actually hate him whenever i see in any debates.

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    Larry Reply:

    I think “Agent Vinod” may have been made on the life of Congress agent Vinod Sharma

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  • Anonymous

    Whenever I watch Manish Towari and other congress spokespersons howling on TV, I remember Amitabh Bachchan’s dialogue “Is Chaaku ko andar rakh lo, apne boss ki bread par makkhan lagane ke kaam ayega”.

    To these congress minions, one should say “Is Zubaan ko andar rakho, madam ki sandal chaatne ke kaam ayegi”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 dialogue… fits the scenario !

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  • Anonymous

    Once BJP leader Khurana said if you try to remove illegal buildings in Delhi then it would be a city of broken bricks.

    This new moderation on this blog has suddenly converted this blog to a blog of “guests” !

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  • Anonymous

    Disqus or someone has become even more active in the last couple of hours – more shootings of the messengers and the messages have been going on

    Vinodji, please ask the IT guys to look into it.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji must be in some TV studio collecting check or may be at Congress HQ taking briefs from Congress spokespersons.

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  • Anonymous

    Please, someone tell Mamatadi she is Chief Minister
    Smita Gupta

    Ashish, will you do the needful in chaste Bengali? It might just work.

    ————-

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3248163.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpts

    A few days earlier, she reduced sharp-suited captains of industry and foreign diplomats to schoolboy status: naming them individually from her vantage point on stage at the “Bengal Leads 2012” business summit in Kolkata, she asked them “what their problem” was — why were they not investing in Bengal?

    ————-

    Currently, as she struggles to pay government salaries, a burden enhanced by 2,75,000 new jobs, State officials despair. “In her first few months,” said one official, “she should have increased resources through higher taxes and raised electricity tariffs. She was so popular she would have got away with it. The longer she waits, the tougher it will get.” This is, especially as Delhi has ruled out an economic bailout for Bengal.

    ————-

    Eight months later, Ms Banerjee, en route to attend Republic Day celebrations, alighted from her car at one end of Red Road — along which the parade passes — and walked to the Maidan, where she was to receive Governor M.K. Narayanan. She ambled down, waving to the cheering crowds: when she arrived, the Governor — in a reversal of traditional protocol — was waiting for her.

    ————-

    Trinamool sources told The Hindu that Mr. Trivedi’s demotion is fuelling discontent among its MPs, with Mr. Roy’s elevation angering them further: they believe his unsavoury past will catch up with him and embarrass the party again. Of the party’s 19 Lok Sabha MPs, Mr. Trivedi and poet Kabir Suman (who’d already gone public with his unhappiness), apart, Sudip Bandopadhyay, Kalyan Banerjee, Saugata Roy, Suvendu Adhikari, Sisir Kumar Adhikari, Sucharu Ranjan Haldar and Somen Mitra reportedly figure in the list of the disenchanted.

    ———

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I have noticed that since TMC has come to power in Bengal,
    bhai mere aap to Mamta ke peeche hi par gaye hain. Kya baat hai,
    iraada do nek hai na ? (: (:

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Baat nazariye ki hai. Manohar is not after Mamta, She is in front of Manohar. In Hindi, Manohar Peechha nahin kar rahen hain, Mamta Aaga kar rahin hain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Outcome will be the same isint it . ?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Who is in whose Crosshair, that is important. To be in crosshair, you have to be in front. Haan, Kharbooja chhuri par gire ya chhuri kharbooze par, katna to kharbooze ko hi hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yeh dil ka maamla toh nahin…?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bhaiyye;
    Agar Mamta par koi DIL la sakta hai to…?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan & others

    The reason I target Mamta and others too for being the biggest stumbling blocks in our progress and development. If you recall, Ashish and me had predicted gloomy days ahead for West Bengal even before TMC was swept to power. With leaders like her, we do not need enemies. BTW, I keep targeting others too and praise where it is due – Manohar Parrikar was one such today in the latter category.

    aage, peechhe kaa sawaal hi nahin.

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    AshishC Reply:

    My ancestral home in Calcutta is 15 mins walking distance from Mamat’s home.
    She could have been a great municipal councillor. ‘Nuff said.

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  • Anonymous

    Lokpal Unworkable :

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Justice-Katju-says-idea-of-Lokpal-unworkable/articleshow/12430128.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Sanjay have a heart yaar.

    You almost sound gleefull that corruption– especially big ticket loot– will never be removed from India !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He is a Babu…so what do you expect?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Stop being rhetoric. You have had enough fun dancing and jumping around like an IPL cheerleader. Please be a thought leader. Start thinking execution of ideas.

    We all want corruption to go.

    It needs a lot than just a lokpal to deal with the situation.

    For a pointer, AIRTEL has more than 1,00,000 customer service executives to deal with its customers while 95% of the complains are dealt through IVR.

    Imagine the number you need just to attend the corruption complains.

    Let us understand how many cases Justice Hegde dealt during his tenure with the present infrastructure ? Try create a scenario all complains were to be sent to him from all corners of karnataka ? You think you could have delivered ?

    Where will people go to complain to Lokpal ? Delhi, State Capital , District HQ, ? Or, you will have Lokpal extension counters at every remote place ?

    In last 60 years or so, you could not provide Police Stations to people in remote places and now you want to create another monolithic organisation afresh ?

    You want to experiment “investigative agency” being independent of the political system? Try make the police independent of the political system in one state. Which one would you like to start with ? Gujarat ? You want to make the police independent of Narendra Modi ?

    Forget about trying. Just close your eyes and think for a moment. We would love to see your expression.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Read you post and understand the true meaning of rhetoric.

    The corrupts like you will never allow any change. You blossom in status quo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky lad ! You could not change yourself and you are expecting the whole system to change in a ziffy !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky uncle..I have changed myself right from start..I do not indulge in any corrupt practices..what about you? Sarkari Babu..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky lad ! Nobody changes right from “start”.

    Somebody got to help you understand that !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Corrupt clunky uncle,
    Every human has a basic nature and in your case it was corrupt right from the start because of your sarkari upbringing.

    Zindagi bhar baap ki haraam ki kamaai khai hai..You will be corrupt too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Is there any topic where Modi won’t be brought in ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi is the demi God you believe in. If a demi God can’t deliver then who else. i am bencmarking with your best bet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Sanjay

    I think after the TIME cover there is genuine panic in the Congress camp.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, not a demi God, but almighty God.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Same demigod who sent Sonia to hospital after last gujarat election.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Modi my Demi god ? I am hearing it first time.

    Do you really know me to understand what my benchmark is ?
    You are way off the mark. Other day you were speculating and today again you
    are assuming.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well ! I would be horribly wrong if you do not consider Modi and Gujarat to be your best bet.

    If one can not try a new idea in progressive Gujarat and under the dynamic leadership, then where else ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Now you are twisting the words . He certainly is not my demigod and I dont see anyone in horizan to even consider giving him/her that status. I will say this again that you do not know me properly enough to understand what my benchmark is. Yes, I admire Modi for the development of Gujarat
    which has brought prosperity to many people of this state. I also believe that Modi
    will continue doing the good work – provided he wins forth comming elections – which
    will bring more prosperity for the people of this state. I feel proud of belonging to
    this state. I don’t know much about Modi’s personal life and I am not interested also.
    As a CM he is doing a wonderful job.

    There was no reason of bringing Modi in discussion when we were talking about Anna and
    Lokpal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We were talking about making investigating agency independent of the political setup as continuously demanded by the opposition.

    I suggested for a trial implementation in the best administered opposition state.

    I want the blog mates to atleast think of the possibility for the discussion sake.

    Because the actual implementation is a remote possibility.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why do you ask? Is he not worth discussing?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even if I close my eyes I wont mind dancing with the IPL cheerleaders… even though I feel that the plastic smile on the cheerleaders faces… is not inspiring !

    But…

    Seriously speakiing we need a strong constitutional body which can take complaints against all elected representatives. First those in the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha and then a second tier body in the states.

    I think we should not use narendra Modi or Shiela Dixit (who has been strongly indicted by the Lokayukta) to obfuscate the need for eradicating high level corruption.

    I do not agree with Anna’s formulations en toto, but would tank him for getting the issue upfront.

    My approach would be to get even a weak Lok Pal in first and then make it progresiely stronger.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    I have read and heard this argument of overload of cases . This is being discussed in the media without anybody arriving at a
    solution. I am surprised why no one is putting this question to Team Anna. Let them answer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who says that this argument has not been put forth to Team Anna? The problem is that they are not prepared to listen because they have fallen in love with their own rhetorical voices, and also because they are under some mistaken belief that only they know best. Moreover, are they so dumb (looks like it so) that they do not know it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Normally I would expect the Team Anna be clear in their concept and approach. I would expect them to convince a small audience in a studio atleast. But unfortunately they become tongue ties with even a little prodding. They mostly find their voice when it’s one way communication – in front of a camera. Then also they talk less about their model. More about others.

    If they don’t do the rational explanation then they must have some representatives who must do it. Tell us the rationale of their model.

    I have heard kejeiwal, Bedi and others in group discussions. But I was disappointed with their explanations about their own ideas. They get stuck up after few minutes.

    I genuinely want to be convinced with this idea. Even by friends here. But somebody got to do the serious explanation of the idea called Lokpal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually, this question has been asked to the Team Anna.

    Their stock answer, you are looking for reasons not to have Lokpal.

    They have never tried to answer how they plan to have thousands of “honest people” to maintain this system. Will people come from Mars ? Some would go on deputation from the existing departments. Will they change their habit ?

    Today only Vijay was talking about people twisting the laws and policemen looking for considerations. Could Vijay dare to challenge in spite of his convictions ? The fact that he felt helpless means he just could not ! And this is year long demonstration and media coverage of lokpal movement !

    This moral downward trend has happened over the years. We too need to rebuild with patience.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Which Lokpal is not workable ? Tean Anna’s or the one proposed by
    Congress. And if it is not workable why UPA is trying to get this passed
    by parliament ? Are they fools or they are trying to make fool of us ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, UPA wanted Lokpal to focus on the top level corruption.

    Anna Team wanted everybody from top to bottom be included.

    Like justice katju said he did not raise the voice because people would construe that he was in favour of corruption.

    The Judiciary kept quiet. So did the media. And the intelligentsia too kept quiet.

    Nobody opened their mouth or even bother to understand the intricacies of creating and running such a big infrastructure. And also maintaining it as a corrupt free Govt. arm.

    Everybody was scared to be seen on the wrong side of the fence. People were scared to be branded as corrupt even for opposing such outlandish idea. And they were scared to be booed and shouted down. Who would want to booed by a bunch shouting brigrade ? Would a Professor, scientist, artist, judge be ready to be ridiculed ane being called names in public ? So people were general were scared to enter into any meaningful discussion.

    Even more so if one is part of the system.

    So a few had a free run on the street creating a model and “adding every possible fancy *** bits” and threatening the Govt.

    Are they trying to fool us ?

    Yes, we deserve to be fooled.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    We deserved to fooled because we have accepted that
    parliament and its members are supreme. Team Anna is
    trying to change this but there are many who want maintain
    the status quo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have to change something with a better model.

    What is the alternative we are proposing ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    This question has been put to them a number of times, but no answer has been forthcoming.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are opposing lokpal..You should be suggesting alternative.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky Lad ! Nobody is opposing Lokpal. We are talking about Lokpal version that’s being dished out by team Anna and its scope.

    When people present it as a silver bullet, it will disappoint all.

    Focus on the top level corruption, empower the existing police system to begin with.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky corrupt uncle..YES, you are opposing lokpal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even it is the same story here, if you oppose Team Anna you are straight away labeled as corrupt and want the system to continue. How daft of them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is a comment from the net.

    Justice Katju will not be heard because he is talking sense. We like the rubbish that Anna, Kejriwal and Bedi have been dishing out to us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    None will work and there will no reduction in corruption, unless systemic changes are made elsewhere in the set-up.

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  • Anonymous

    Mere saaye ka na peecha karna,
    Abr ka tukda hoon, kya jaane kidhar jaaunga.

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  • Anonymous

    Looking at the gloomy atmosphere in India due to dysfunctional UPA govt., peshe-khidmat hein ye gaana..(Ignore the video just listen to the words).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN4ZeBFWvm4

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    A beautiful song and a very nice movie. In a way it is good that such songs are
    not being composed now a days, otherwise such beautiful, classic songs
    which always give us pleasure will lose their charm.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jaam ho haath mein aur sun rahe hon aise geet
    nahi hai zaroorat saki ki chaahe saath mein na ho meet

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ IS IT MARKANDY KATJU OR KAPIL SIBBAL !!??? ~~~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    Cmon censor ji, have a heart. My innocous comment… “c u… I am on the way to gurgaon” has been removed. Now it canot be called communal in comparison to what Digvinash ji says every day.

    This blog has the maximum postings compared to that of Any Indian newspaper, including the HT. But putting a condom on the fingertips of the bloggers to prevent them from giving their brilliant ideas on how to revolutionise India…. is being a killjoy !

    I know Markandey Katju wants all of us to be serious schoolboys, and Kapil Sibbal wants us to sing,

    ” jan gan Man
    Hum sab hai Sonia ke sang…”

    But have a heart. Some of us may want to sing, “I am a disco dancer …” also.

    nd stopping us from dancing will at least make people like me migrate to free-er pastures…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    “” But putting a condom on the fingertips of the bloggers to prevent them from giving their brilliant ideas on how to revolutionise India…. is being a killjoy !”"

    You have put this perfectly. Superb.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure this blog would have converted Morarji Desai to try Scotch and Gen Zia to dance in a mujra. Such WAS the free spirited fun. Almost like a start up IT company where ideas roll at 300 [er second..

    I hope we dont lose all that !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Agree with you and we should be thankful to Mr. Sharma
    for allowing us express ourselves without any Inhibitions .
    I hope this is just a bug and IT people of HT will very soon
    correct this. .

    Anonymous Reply:

    You could be accused of digital r ape ? I guess that’s what they call it these days. Be careful.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know… with section 498A, dowry, everything thrown in!!

    Cyber maut ho jayegi….

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Yes, you are that vintage vijay.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    The next whisky I’ll have is vintage… !

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    looking forward to your visit in US and you can have a very different experience, what you had previously.

  • Anonymous

    Typical line of argument used by Congress supporters against Anna & team-
    1. They attack Anna. Call him dictator, intellectually limited, Hawaldar, not honest (whatever that means for congressmen).
    2. They call Anna’s team arrogant, corrupt, RSS proxy, BJP proxy. Defend Digvijay, Sibal.
    3. Call Lokpal unworkable without providing credible alternative.

    This comes from people who keep mouthing the words “Don’t shoot the messenger”.

    Anna is a naive person. He should-
    1. rename jan lokpal bill to Rajiv Gandhi Jan lokpal bill.
    2. put a provision that it will only investigate and prosecute non-congress people.

    This is the only way to get Lokpal accepted by Congress and their corrupt jamatis.

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  • Anonymous

    Dhawan has very cleverly try to fools us by complaining his posts too are disappearing. I see all his posts there.
    There is no bug in Disqus. You can post on other blogs especially Zia’s blog and see it for yourself. You posts will not disappear there.

    This guy is basically moderating this blog and deleting posts at will. What can you expect from low life Babu who know nothing except corruption?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky lad ! You really clunk too much !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky uncle..I am always ready to kick your a$$..

    You are a corrupt person and that is what I see in your posts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky lad ! It’s good to be ambitious !!

    Just learn to stand, first.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clunky uncle,
    You learn to cough first..stand later.
    Rishwatkhor..

  • Anonymous

    Profile of Dhawan-
    1. Retired rishwatkhor babu
    2. Works in HT as freelancer (get free lunch as salary)
    3. Morally Corrupt
    4. Financially corrupt
    5. Nehru gandhi dynasty Bhakt

    We call such people tappebaaz, uchakka, pocketmaar..

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  • Anonymous

    Dhawan and Chamchas have been opposing Lokpal so let us hear from the the alternative (if they have one). Now don’t tell me Sonia and Rahul can do the job.

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  • Anonymous

    When Dhawan complained that his posts too were getting deleted..These words came to my mind “CHOR MACHAYE SHOR”.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Mamla Garam ho raha hai. Wah, wah.
    Suddenly, air is surcharged and why not. no longer status quo ante will be permited.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dhawan heart attack se mar jayega..Daya karo..

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  • Anonymous

    One of the chief abusers is hellbent in lowering the standard of the blog to bring it down to his own level – the lowest imaginable. As usual and not surprisingly, there will be a pin drop silence from his ’saathidaars’.

    Even this post will attract abuse. Watch this space.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar Bhau;
    As I subscribe to clean debate, raw energy has its own gradient. You do not try to decimate them head on, just try to smoothen the rough edges. Would like to engage with you here, as debate progress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    When the muck (you may call it raw energy) flows in a river, no one should try and stop it. That is why I do not interact with some of the people here, even if they address any message to me directly. I have my own self-respect and self-esteem, and do not wish to stoop down to their lowest possible levels. Let the dirt flow by. Moreover who has the time to indulge in mudslinging with those, who do not add anything worthwhile to the topic under discussion. Good luck to them in their chosen path. Perhaps, they do not have it in them intellectually to engage in constructive debates / counter arguments, so they resort to abuse and label fabrication, hoping to win debating points and if they think they do, good luck once more to them, I do not give a hoot.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shut up…Go to some temple and give pravachan..Nautanki.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am an Optimist. Shayad, keechad se hi Kamal( Not BJP type) nikal Aaye.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    The evidence is to the contrary – more muck.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am an outsider here. I wish best for India.

  • Anonymous

    Balwinderji and Vijay Kumar ji,
    Anna Hazare…….
    Both of you have been advocating Mr. Hazare’s rustic sense of justice.
    Mr. Vijay Kumar even went to the extent of accusing me of being drunk during the day time , since I couldn’t understand Anna ji’s simplistic and rustic sense of justice.
    Fairr enough. Each to his/her judgement.
    Now for some questions…..
    Have you guys even bothered to answer the dissenting opinion on Team Anna’s presciptions ? Do you even know what the dissent amounts to ? Can you evn articulate the dissent ?
    Answer this and then we discuss further.
    Otherwise, you are just about “Garm Hawa”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh Mahesh Maheh… mere bhai…

    I thought the crack about daru was in a jest and you had a skin thick enough to take it. Now you have landed many a punch at me and I have taken it sportingly.

    Let me state one fact first. I loved PG Woodehose for his humour… but not for his support for Hitler. I loved Sachin for his batting … not for his singing. I love Amir khan for his acting and perfection in cinema… but maybe not so much for not comiing out openly for his child sired through his british girl.

    So why the hell can’t I love Anna for his getting the issue of corruption upfront and making a national movement out of it? I wont except his opinion on Old Monk and Johny Walker. I am not voting him to power. I am not even excepting all his demands in the Lok Pal.

    But as a man who has deliberatly chosen to take a side step into research– I know that driven men change the world. Galileo stood alone but changed it.

    Anna’s lok Pal movement can make a difference in the tabad tod corruption plaguing our society. However I feel that he has lost the high point of the curve. he should have even supported and helped in getting a weak Lok Pal in as no political party will really allow a strong bill to come in straight.

    Then he could have campaigned to get amendments and make it stronger.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kejriwal had got it right while working with NAC. I believe he got all wrong and developed distrust when other members opposed to have the PM under Lokpal. He probably thought the Congress was trying protrect Rahul gandhi, the future PM.

    Funnily, now he says he is working against Congress, because only Congress has the power to implement the Lokpal Bill.

    If you know that somebody has power to deliver something, then you work along with that person/body or against ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the Congress did not want the Lok Pal in as cases against Rajiv Gandhi could have been opened. Even when they agreed they tried to give all the credit to Rahul– that he had been dreaming, planning and strategising how to get a Lok Pal ever since he was 18 months old.

    However kejriwal and Co have overplayed their hand. They ultimately need to take the MPs along as they have to get it passed in the Parliament. They could have etched their name in history and even created apoltical party later in case they wanted to.

    They missed the chance by alienating All the political parties.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are mixing up the timeline.

    NAC was working on the Lokpal Bill draft proposal under the supervision of Aruna Roy. The whole Anna Team was there before they broke away and turned to Anna for the leadership.

    Rajiv’s case was open to NDA all through 6 years.

    There has been enough discussion on this. Hope there is no need to repeat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, no need to discuss as we all knwo that Vajpayee the gentleman would have never troubled a widow and two small children.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Bhau,
    What about the questions I asked ?
    If you really intend to strengthen “Team Anna” answer and attack the dissent first. It is only by addressing the dissent that Team Anna and its supportes will strengthen themeselves. Emotional bouhaha is definitely not the answer here.
    Let me start with a few questions that Team Anna needs to ask themeselves
    Despite all the fervour that it generated , how come the “movement” lost steam in just couple of months ? Medha Patkar – currently a member of the team – spearheaded a far more locally constrained movement Narmada Bachao Andolan (remember – it just spanned the tribal belt just covering borders of Gujarat, Maharashtra and MP) and yet was far more persistent. Any idea, why ? (A confession here, yours truly during his Engineering education days was a slightly active participant in NBA movement). Do we realise the the gap between level of commitment those tribals had then the current supporters ? Any idea, why ?
    Second aspect is about the way Team Anna has been conducting its decision making process. The decision making appears to be hopelessly centralised. Actually to an extent that I am even surprised about Ms. Medha Patkar that she is still part of the movement.
    THIRDLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY – Can the “Anti Corruption” movement remain “apolitical” at all ? They will have to take sides and in the process they will need to drop their facade of being apolitical. Corruption is NOT a apolitical phenomena. By apolitical I mean the class aspect. Corruption essentially implies asymmetric power enjoyed by one class over other or collabarotion between powerful and moneyed classes at the disadvantage of non-empowered classes. Essentially a system that is hopelessly broken agaiinst those who hardly have amy say. My question is – is this just limited to Congress ? Isn’t BJP too a game here ? So, what is the nature of politics Team Anna is putting forth ?
    BTW, I have just provided a starting point for discussion. Scratch deeper and much more intriguing philosophical and theoretical questions will be thrown up.
    Best Luck and be honest to question even yourself.
    Let me end this post with a few lines from my favourite bhajan :
    itanee shaktee humei denaa daataa, man kaa wishwaas kamajor ho naa
    hum chale nek raste pe hum se, bhoolakar bhee koee bhool ho naa

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good luck, Mahesh,

    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    great definition of what corruption is..
    To your point about the difference between the NBA and the “Anna agitation”- may I submit that the bourgeoisie do not have a stellar track record in leading movements for fundamental change; anywhere in the world.
    The spark may well be provided by them- but, unless it catches fire- meaning, it catches a groundswell of resentment among the wider masses, it will fizzle out.
    Now, for many successful “revolutions” that we know of, there are many more that fizzled out. The reasons could be many; the cause may be just, the leadership may have been competent but owing to other, stronger forces, did not succeed.
    Indian society is riven by many fissures. I remain optimistic that in the next decade, many barriers of caste and creed will start breaking down- enabling people to make common cause on an issue like corruption across caste and class barriers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    “”Indian society is riven by many fissures. I remain optimistic that in the next decade, many barriers of caste and creed will start breaking down- enabling people to make common cause on an issue like corruption across caste and class barriers.”"

    Amen.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ mahesh

    The big picture is corruption. If Anna prohibits Liquor and kissing in public… well he still has a right to fight against corruption and mobilise people against it. Everyone has a right to disagree with him, but the big picture still remains corruption. And everyone also has a right to agree with him too.

    Nice to know that you were part of of the Narmada Andolan. At that point I had written a thesis in college that India’s energy needs could only be met by eco freindly Hydel, Solar, Tidal and wind power in case we were to consider a time frame of 100 years.

    The NBA was pushing us into the path of Thermal which is polluting and expensive for the poor.

    For me the big picture then was the rehabilitation of the people displaced but not shelving of the project.

    But I guess we were destined to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum even then!

    By the way, with Narmada waters now reaching much of Gujarat and alevaiting the poverty of so many lakhs.. do you still have the picture that it was all that bad?

    Or would you still bat for the expensive Enron styled Thermal power?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just an observation on debate of Anna’s agitation versus supremacy of elected institution. Both left and right wingers had taken exactly opposite stand during Narmada Andolan. Isn’t it an irony?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Interesting observation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Worth a real smile !

  • Anonymous

    Chief abuser, demigod, garam hawa of Congress gang getting blasted by rustic Bihar students..This chief abuser is none other than pitaji of congressis also known as RahulG.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIv_rtFWLps

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    before I engage with you for an acrimonious debate, I must admit, that your one comment about reverse flick, made me convinced that you are a genuine hockey lover.
    And hockey is my soul. But politics is very important too. It is not about me or you. It is future of India, Globe and humanity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pamkaj

    I love watching hockey and have been doing so since the 70s, though I have never played it competitively at any level. Other than hockey, I also love watching golf, badminton, tennis (have only followed certain players – Borg, Graff, Edberg, Federer and some others) and cricket (the 5 day variety and sometimes the one day type, but never 20-20 versions). I hate watching football, so much so that I have never ever watched the World Cup finals.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    If I say to you that I belong to Dhyan Chand’s group, I hope, you will not look down upon me. I was never a cricket lover, ( coming from, financially hard pressed family, but rich in culture and legacy) Cricket was an expensive game. I have played competitive hockey. Football, second soul mate, ( these are games of not so rich people) I have played at university level. I will skip my company meeting to see, World cup football or as they call here Soccer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why should look down upon you. You have been a thorough gentleman and belonging to Dhyan Chand’s group is no crime, on the contrary an absolute honour.

    I stopped playing cricket when I entered college. Let me tell you why – the college put up a notice asking to report on so and so date at so and so place for all those who wish to play in the inter-collegiate tournaments. When me and a hostel mate landed up there, what did we see there – there were 8 Ranji Trophy players, a few who had already played for some years for the college, one or two who had captained the state school teams and a certain youngster who had just joined, going by the initials SMG. Me and my hostel mate had no chance in a million to get into the 16 member team. Later I played competitive cricket again after 15 years (for about 4 years or so) when I worked overseas. Then the golf-bug bit me. Now, I do not play golf either, as the game in Bombay has become horrendously expensive. Because of the pressure on land, it does not make ’sense’ to have golf courses in and around the city. There are only two courses in a city like Bombay. I used to play Tennis and Badminton for fun.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Just for your love of Golf, we havew more golf courses than players. I invite you to come to my place, for golf, you will not regret.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you for the invite. If I ever come to your part of the world, sure.

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Who do you call abusers? The one who label everyone opposing corruption Sanghi or the one who retaliate.

    The one who as proxy of Sharma delete posts of other or the one who point out the fact?

    This Congressi gang fits the saying “Chor machaye shor”.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Are you based in MI?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Please do not ask me about my coordinates. I am a global citizen.If I withdraw to my shell, I have a happy family, Fat salary, and most important, my dog with me. Why I come to this blog? It is still some attachment with India, that brings me back here. I know things about India( I believe so) which ordinary citizens are not privy to.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Point taken.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Pankaj… tell us those secrets. Is it about Digvinash Singh making money in huge land deals as you had hinted once?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    No. these things go much higher than that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Addendum for you Pankaj :
    Oh yeah and I also happen to drive 500 Plus Miles when my wifey feels she left her Car back home. You see, even at this age I am “Meet the Zohan” types. Ha !!! More Ha !!!! ;-)

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    liked it. I am a happily married man. And love my family. That is the base of community, mohalla, City, District and nation.

  • Ravi

    Some interesting questions.

    1. Should Balwant Singh Rajoana be hanged.

    2. Should SGPC and others request clemency against the wishes of Balwant Singh Rajoana.

    3. He despises Blue Turbans of the SGPC Glitterati , what is the difference in Sikhism between a Blue and a Saffron turban.

    4. In terms of giving one’s life for one’s principles – what is the difference between Bhagat Singh and Balwant Singh Rajoana.

    5. Who is wrong, Late Beant Singh or Balwant Singh Rajoana.

    Looking forward to answers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    1) If the law says so, then yes. Though I am personally against death penalty.

    2) I think, SGPC and others are trying to get mileage out of it, to what end, I do not know.

    3) I do not know, perhaps you know better.

    4) That is a tough cookie to …….

    5) I do not know.

    Sorry for too many “I d not know”.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    You did better than I did.

    I am not sure I know the answer to any of the questions.

    Amnesty International, has just issued a letter to MMS asking him to stop the execution – for no other reason other than that AI is totally against capital punishment. If it happens this will be the first one to be carried out in 8 years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Lines from
    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/clicklit/entry/why-is-badal-lobbying-for-beant-singh-s-assassin

    “…To what degree is the Indian political system willing to legitimize political affiliation guided largely by ethnic lines to intervene in the judicial process? Tamil Nadu asks for clemency to Rajiv’s killers; J&K legislators ask for clemency to Afzal Guru; Punjab seeks to put off the death sentence to Beant’s killer – in each case, people found guilty by the judicial process of assassinating political leaders or of being part of terrorist activities are the ones for whom state governments and assemblies lobby, ostensibly to preserve peace…”

    Difficult to sit on the judgment seat when the boundary between right and wrong starts getting fussy. But just wished our judiciary was faster (at least in the case of political assassination, terrorism and riots. Yes, including Gujarat riots and Godhra train burning). If judgment related to Rajiv Gandhi had come in 1992 and Beant Singh’s by 1997, people would not have asked the question itself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bhagat Singh gave his life for the country.

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  • Anonymous

    The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0&feature=fvwrel

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  • Anonymous

    Badal wants new constitution for India : It’s just the beginning. BJP initiated and fueled it !

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Badal-wants-new-constitution-for-India/articleshow/12429785.cms

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    Ravi Reply:

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre

    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    I would like to go back to Allama Iqbal and his Falcons.

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    Ravi Reply:

    आपकी फरमाइश

    तेरे इश्क की इन्तहा चाहता हूँ

    मेरी सादगी देख में क्या चाहता हूँ

    भरी बज़्म मैं राज़ की बात कह दी

    हाँ बड़ा बे अदब हूँ सज़ा चाहता हूँ

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Who ever you are. I love you.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Iqbal and his his Falcons, Rongte khade kar dete hain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Be careful..You may be kissing a poisonous snake,

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Pyar Andha hota hai magar farz us se bada hota hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Falcon is a bird idolised for its brute force and nothing else.

    Spare a thought for the sparrows and parrots it tears…and kills

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Just for a change, Just to widen horizon, read Shikwa and jawab e shikwa of Allama iqbal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    sanjay

    This was bound to happen. After the way Digivjay. Rahul and Salman Khurshid campaigned in UP, the big damage to India has been done. They made vote banking o religious lines absolutely legitimate. They made putting up religions demands above national needs as legitimate.

    THE CONGRESS BY ITS ACTIONS HAVE REPEATED AND TAKEN US BACK TO 1980

    It was in 1980, that suddebly a rash of separatist movements hit India— Assam, Punjab, Kashmir e

    All becausee of the selfishness of the janata party fightng a oublic deul for the PM seat between 1977- 1980 and then Indiara Gandhi showing absoulte dedicated selfishness in showing that ther sons– first Sanjay and then Rajv matterd more to her.

    The publice got alienated in various states.

    The Congress trio of Rahul G and co have done exactly that– revived 1980

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I guess you missed the point.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjayji

    I think you should broaden your horizon by following history rather than just trying to get BJP and Narendra Modi into everything…

    Anonymous Reply:

    yes, I read your theory on Assam, Punjab going separate ways from India because Mrs Gandhi chose her son as the successor.

    Some historical perspective !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjayji

    Rather than scoff at the truth, try to be the big picture guy. When rulers become selfish and promote their own family and the state is seen as ineffective and corrupt, people revolt.

    This is what happened in Libya recently, Egypt a few months earlier, happenign in Syria now, happened in Iran just before 1980,… happened in bagladesh before that… is happening…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice analysis on Assam and Punjab.. Worth a patent.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well you would want India to follow North Korea, Cuba, Saudia, Pakistan etc… the places where family rule matters.

    I would want India to follow Australia, US, UK, France, Russia, Sweden, ITALY, Japan… where democracy matters

    Anonymous Reply:

    Another patented approach to debate on Assam and Punjab.

    Your sense of history is immaculate !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your love for the royal family is touching…

    I swear :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some reply on the discussion on federalism !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your devotion to the royal family is touching… !

    I swear :)

    ( this comment had been removed and is being reposted by me)

    Anonymous Reply:

    SANJAY
    What is wrong with a constitutional revision/modification?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where does it stop? let’s see.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course Pakistanis really loved it when the mentor of the Hare apparent of the COngress, covered up their terrorists by saying “woh Pakistani nahin hai… woh toh RSS ki saazish hai…”

    Right ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have got reply to your “RSS ki sazish” line story some time back. If you don’t recall I will repeat again. Just that not in a mood to repeat now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Galileo saw the truth. He kept repeating it… and others who were unable to see the light finally opened their eyes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    are you so busy (with censoring Mohan’s innocent posts)?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let Mohan worry for himself.

    Or, as a matter of habit, you need to fan a tandoor daily ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Look who is talking.

    The supporters of 18% Muslim reservation – what a way to integrate the country.

  • Anonymous

    Dekho Aawaz Dekar, Paas Hamme Paoge
    Aaoge Tanha Par Tanha Na Jaoge
    Dur Rahkar Bhi Tumhi Par Hai Nazar Meri
    Hathon Se Tham Lenge Jab Bhi Thokar Khaoge

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Dil jeet ke aur kya jeete go?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Late night tanhahi mein aise sher zuban pe aa jaate hain.
    In day time if you would ask me I won’t remember any of these.

    Any way it’s very late good night guys.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Engrich;
    No body is talking to you. that is bad. But Bhaiyye, your info is all wrong. Abdul kadir khan is from Bhopal, see his posts in pakistani papers, where he says that he is from Bhopal and not Rampur. Do not speak about Rampur, I may make you feel inadequate here. your brothers are IAS officers, your kids are studying in North America, you are supposed to have better basics. After seeing BOL, you say that it is for Pakistani elites? At one place, you are fundamentalist/ religious type to the core and at next breath, you claim to be for Dalits/ communist type. Two things do not go hand in hand with each other. Correct your self. I will not ignore you as that is the worst punishment, a civilized society can inflict, and I do not want to go to other extreme.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    just for you. In later years, Dhyan Chand got bored of scoring goals. He used to give opportunity to his mates to score goals. Contrast this with present days. His younger brother, Capt, Roop Singh, in 1900 some thing in America, he gave chance to score goals to his brother Capt. Roop singh, And caption in American news papers was Singhs from India have come to maul Ameicans. India won by 24 versus 1. Dhyan chand could score, just by wishing it. I remember, when his Major in his regiment, told him,while he was still a sepoy, Dyhan, we are losing by 2 goals and time left is 3/ 4 minutes. Dyan scored 3 goals in that much time. So that is power, which Titans wield. I have played with kids of Roop singh, they were bas…. use to hit very hard.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    I have read about Dhyan Chand a bit. About his statue with four hands at Vienna
    sports clubs, about his stick being broken in Holland to check whether there was some
    magic formula hidden inside and Hitler offering him some senior post in German army.
    I will add one more to this list that he could score goals just by wishing it.
    If any sports person deserves a Bharat Ratna than it is only Dhyan Chand and no one else.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    mohan;
    All these are real.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    only one sport person, I can think of, who I place at equal pedestal with Dhyan Chand and he is Pele of Brazil. .It is said that these wizards had the ability to think 10 moves ahead in a game situation, Their mind worked like a computer, while even a good player can not visualize more than 2-3 moves ahead.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    I never had a privilege to watch these great players play. I have heard stories about them and how people
    were in awe of these great sports persons.

  • Anonymous

    I was waiting, whether this news would appear in national and secular journals, just like the way mining scam, ram sena flag hoisting (and yeah, the recent mobile watching episodes!) made headlines. I am not surprised, it didn’t.
    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/237393/rs-2-lakh-cr-land.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Thanks for the link. One more proof that our mainstream media is biased and is
    controlled by some group of vested interest whose agenda is to severely harm India.
    Some drastic and urgent approach is required to reverse this trend of looting our
    country. People are just not scared of committing such gigantic fraud as if they are sure
    of getting away.

    Hamara mulk luteron ke haath mein aa gaya hai.

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    AshishC Reply:

    What odds are you offering for Zia Haq to blog about this?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I actually support this looting of Waqf properties. After all this waqf properties were forcibly acquired from natives.
    I salute congressmen for undoing the sins of muslim rulers.

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  • Anonymous

    Tape of Rs 14-cr bribe offer in CBI hands?

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Tape-of-Rs-14-cr-bribe-offer-in-CBI-hands/Article1-831639.aspx

    The source says the tape is from an informal source.

    Please help me understand. Somebody must got the conversation recorded !

    1) Is it a normal practice to have all official conversation recorded at Army HQ ? If so, then the Army Chief must have been aware of it and he should have filed a formal complain immediately after the event !

    2) It is even more serious, if it is done without Army Chief’s knowledge. Could it be that we are bugged at all top places ? If so, I must say army is compromised a lot more seriously than a mere bribe offer.

    Which is the real possibility ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    It certainly sounds like a very serious matter. Are there enough safeguards in place
    to ensure the safety of the tapes? Now we are not talking of money only, is security
    Of India being compromised?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Sanjay Sir,

    my own information is that the secret recording has been going on since May 2004, ever since the army was said to have objected to work under Sonia Gandhi as prime minister, upon which President Kalam was reported to have apprised the Gandhi of the possiblity of court cases that might embroil the PM and Rashtrapati both personally and officially.

    Sonia was and still is said to be mahaa miffed and wants to teach the Indian army a lesson.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shall I accompany you file an FIR ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Go and file an FIR against the CMs of the federal govts. that you detest. Your prince tore apart (or did something similar) the manifesto of a party that you fought in UP and now is shamelessly ready to lick its boot for survival in Delhi. Typical Congressi culture!!

  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi

    Where have you been ???????????

    I am missing all those sweeping historical perspectives.

    Gopi, delvng into recent history, I think 1980 was a defining year for India. After 3 years of fight for kursi between Morarji Desai, Charan Singh and Jagjivan Ram, India thought it would finally find peace with mother Indira.

    At that point Indira chose to be mother to Sanjay and Rajiv , first and then mother to rest of India. When we were looking for policy and progress, Indiraji immediately got Sanjay Gandhi back into the frame as if signalling that his aspiration to the Pm’s seat would be part of policy.

    On Sanjay’s death she immediately started hankering the reluctant prince, Rajiv to take charge.

    These very acts of selfishness, by the fighting Janata party men first and then by Indira, somehow alienated a lot of regions in India– Punjab, Assam, norht East and then Kashmir, that our rulers will only think about themselves and their families first.

    I think we have come back to the same phase. Communal polarisation by the Congress in UP, its dynasty politics, the corruption scams, sycophancy… everything is giving signals that people of India don’t matter.

    Gopi, dont you think we are fools… condemned to repat history???

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  • Anonymous

    Ashish,

    1 million. I can increase the odds if you bet a reasonable amount.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Nah, I like you too much to cheat you out of your money…

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  • Anonymous

    Have not seen Shenoy since yesterday. Has he been blocked completely by
    discuss.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is it so?

    Well if somebody wants blogs to be a mutual admiration society… we can call it blogging in saudia..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not sure was just wondering as he is a regular visitor of this blog.
    He might be busy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    the censor has removed your query on Shenoy

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan must be grateful to the censor and also Vinod Sharma that his post was allowed to be on the blog for about an hour. Most of my posts get the censor’s kainchi instantly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vijay Kumar,

    I am mighty upset about this irritating censorship that Vinod Sharma’s “moderator” is imposing, and thereby fooling all into believing that discus is the villain of the piece.

    Yesterday so many of my posts got censored. I am also upset that we have no remedy for this kind of harassment and the humiliation of having to put up with the ill-treatment without being able to retaliate.

  • Anonymous

    Last night my cousin from Muscat visited me with his wife and his daughter.
    He told me about a Pakistani hindu doctor who is settled in Muscat now.
    This doctor’s niece was kidnapped few years back and converted and about
    a year back same thing happened with his wife’s niece. According to him
    since last 10-15 years the interiors of Pakistan have been completely radicalized
    and it has become almost impossible for non believer to live there especially hindus.
    Always living in fear they have to follow their ‘rules’ or face the consequences.
    The worst part is that there are huge celebrations whenever such conversions take
    place. Big cities like Karachi, Hyderabad, Lahore and Rawalpindi are relatively safe.
    This doctor who has a teenage daughter has vowed that he will never go back to Pakistan. There might be some exaggeration to this story but things are not good
    in Pakistan for non believers.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This describes an appaling state of affairs.

    Eradications of Hindus from Pakistan will make the Pakistan society poorer.

    Tolerence and minority rights are the basis upon which a happy society can be built.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Where religious harmony , tolerance and minority rights are concerned, all the leaders of the all the political parties should speak in one voice.
    Is that possible in India ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very worrying. All this is happening at our doorsteps. This is the crusades of yesteryears.

    From what I gather from my discussions with people in Afghanistan, this is a “battle of the womb.”

    The idea is to capture the womb of a woman so that the further child would be a Muslim.

    Unfortunately with a weak government at the centre and a FM who is hardly equipped to handle and deal with such a situation, we will see this battle on always.

    Further on there are leeches and snakes in our own society who who are foot soldiers of this “battle of the womb” who will first try to make fun of Hindus by saying that it is no religion and it is just an exploitative system, whose adherents deserve to be converted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    According to pakistani media, 51 hindu girls have been abducted in last 4 months and forcibly converted to Islam.

    I don’t hear Shabana Azmi a great feminist howling..why? Is her duty to Islam stopping her?

    Indian muslims are lucky that hindus detest the idea of kidnapping muslim girls and converting them to Hinduism. I hope it remains that way.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    It is very sad to read about what is happening in Pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

    This blog is on censoring spree. Many comments are being removed without
    any rhyme or reason. It will be very unfortunate that this best blog will die because
    of some silly moderation policy.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Moderator

    Gar pilana band karna thaa to aadat hi kyon daali thi
    ab woh haal hai ki nahin rah sakte is (blog) nashe ke bagair
    aisa kya kah diya humne jo lagi aapko gaali thi.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! BREAKING NEWS !! EMERGENCY HAS ARRIVED !! ~~
    ==============================================================

    Censorship is on and probably this post will disappear soon !!

    I made a honest comment to Sanjay Dhawan.

    “Your devotion to the royal family is touching !! ”

    Guess what. The post disappeared !!

    Sanjay, I hope you dont have a hidden hand behind it…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is possible that VIndo Sharmaji is within a striking distance of the Rajya Sabha seat and has agreed to allow the censor to follow SiBBal and siblings principles…

    Vinodji you are tarnishing your reputation as a democrat…

    Believe me– and seniors would testify to this– nobody beleived the newspapers during the Emergency. You have proudly spoken of the time when as a University student during the EMergency, you campaigned against it.

    Yaad karo woh din
    aur aankh mein bhar lo paani…

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  • Anonymous

    @ Fellow bloggers

    If this continues, I think we should hunt for another site. Vir Sanghvi’s medium Term is pretty neglected and is now democractic. The poor guy is atoning for the slip up in the Radia case. Should we consider that as an option?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You are right. Before we are blocked completely we should try another alternate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vir Sanghvi is, all said and done, a good guy, just like Vinod ji was before the censor bug bit him.

    Therefore, I feel Vir needs ‘rehabilitation’.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear moderator,

    Why are you censoring our innocuous, non offensive posts.

    gar pilana band karna tha to aadat hi kyon daali thi
    aisa kya kah diya hamne Jo lagi aapko gaali thi
    an nahin raha jaata is nashe (blog) ke bagair
    Jo aawaz aapne suni woh koi bomb nahin sirf taali thi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    wah… let’s hope that this censorship is purely for technical reason and there is no other motive to it.

    Mr Sharma would do well to clarify this. He used to interact with a few of us in the past. He has stopped doing it for some time now or uses a pseudo id for himself on his own blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar since you are God… use the hidden hand ! You are right, vinod Sharmaji should come out and tell is whay “ALL is NOT well…”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    wah, Mohan, I feel like lighting a bomb or a big sounding pataaki.

    Let us hope your poetry has befgun the ‘melt-down’ of Sanjay’s stone-heart.

    Meanwhile I am trying to do some “poetry” of my own, which, Vinodji, in his good old friendly days, used to deride as tukbandi.

    But I don’t want that Sanjay’s heart should melt so much that it begins to pump water.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I am not sure for how long this post of mine will remain here before being removed.
    This is my second posting of this ‘ poem ‘

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Look at the brighter side. Deletion of few posts brought us a fine poem from Mohan. And that’s without daaru !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    (: (:

  • Anonymous

    Dear moderator,

    Why are you censoring our innocuous, non offensive posts.

    gar pilana band karna tha to aadat hi kyon daali thi
    aisa kya kah diya hamne Jo lagi aapko gaali thi
    an nahin raha jaata is nashe (blog) ke bagair
    Jo aawaz aapne suni woh koi bomb nahin sirf taali thi

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  • Anonymous

    Viju

    Sultan Abdul Hamid (whose mother was not Turkish, but of a “foreign extraction”) caused the Ottoman empire to decline and disintegrate for he could not handle the tumults of the time.

    To your question about dynasty, decline, the mother and sons and daughter-in-law and now possibly the grandson ——-

    The Congress internal rivalry created Indira Gandhi. There would not have been any dynasty if Morarji were elected as the leader after the untimely death of Lal Bahadur.
    Indira was not even on the ballot, she never expressed a desire, she did not canvass. It was the old frukkers who brought her in as a consensus candidate; and as all of us know now, the rest is history.

    The rivalry, internal dissent is even more now. Here we have a respected Prime Minister, who day in and day out is insulted by his own party men like Digryodhan Singh. Digryodhan wants to precipitate a situation where the prince could be brought in sooner than later. Digryodhans planned to coronate the prince after his victory in UP — on an anti MMS platform that was already tailor made.

    Now, obviously, the elevation of the prince will be very difficult. Others will vie for, but dissension and groups will be formed, there will be the usual old vs young, left vs right, and quite possibly Priyanka will be the consensus nominee to lead the party.

    But the voters have graduated beyond these. Congress, through their own actions is perceived as different, alien by many – hence regional parties, or a different type of socialist parties like SSP.

    Congress will garner less than 100 seats in the next Lok Sabha election. Coalition will be the norm as Vinod pointed out in an earlier blog. It is not good for the country. Economy has to grow at a 8-10% clip so the youth could be absorbed, rural folks could be brought up. Coalitions will drag the economy down to the current 6.1 level, may be even worse back to the old “hindu rate of growth”. That is when blood will flow in the streets.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We have taken the economic growth as a matter of right and think that it’s bound to happen by default, a misconception that might just hit us hard !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Financials markets around the world normally read the future better then others.
    Declining rupee and BSE struggling to go beyond 18000 despite several attempts
    does not augur bright future economically. I see 4-5 % growth in coming years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    “and as all of us know now, the rest is history.”

    Most might not be knowing, ‘the rest, until her assassination in 1984, was her story’ all the way.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Thank you for the masterly input. I was missing these for the past few days.

    Myown view is that in 1947, India was the beacon to many a country in the world for having chosen the path of freedom and democracy. Now we have lost the lead as most of Eastern Europe is free, so is SOuth America, and parts of Africa.

    But our democracy has floundered as court jesters, court mediamen and court businessmen have tried to make it a dynasty.

    In an earlier post we had discussed ways to make our plitical parties democratic so that this high command culture and I am your mummy and you are my darling son gets over. In this the revolution has to start with the COngress as it is a model which is copied by the regional parties. As we see Rajaji, Patel, gandhi, Ghaffar Khan and Maulana Azad did not distort the parliamentary processes to foist their progenies on us.

    Maybe some brave COngress people would see light there.

    You are right about Digroydhan Singh undercutting Manmohan SIngh. Sadly this rush of socialism and anarchy is going to get us back to low growth rates.

    Further on the way Rahul, Digviash and Salman fought the UP elections, I can only see more fractures in Indian society.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    A growing economy is a must for changes to happen. For when people do not have to worry about next meal, shelter etc , they start thinking about representation, governance etc.

    For a long time, Congress and Marxists got the people permanently suppressed by transforming govt and leaders (Jyothibasu or Indira Gandhi and her descendents) as givers, protectors of their “poverty”..

    Things will change. SSP rise, regional parties dominance etc are parts of this.

    Congress will have an impetus to regenerate if BJP unsahckles Modi and brings in new leaders, brings in a vision of India rooted in its glorious history, aspiring to create a Gupta future compatible with the internet age..

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  • Anonymous

    Gen VK Singh ?????

    Is he really a General?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why this question? What has he done wrong?

    You want Army General to behave like a peon to govt.

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  • Anonymous

    Blogers, hello from Leela hotel Delhi airport- leaving for Punjab tonite
    —————————————————————————————————
    Abu Ahmed- yes, for us oldies country ran like clockwork in emergency till nasbandi upset the boat !
    mahesh, sanjay and Manohar- will answer yr question on Anna later but gal sunno- cos of my age I traveled business class and it was full of GORAS traveling to India for some defence exibition. One said he comes to India every 2 WEEKS TO SELL TO MAHINDRA, TATA who hold big contracts with govt.

    EVERY 2 WEEKS !!! Someone is making billions. question i ask-

    ‘is this genuine indian need or a govt flush with money throwing it on boom boom toys ”

    anyone know ? do folk here know about this defence exibition this week ? funny what you get to know when you travel business class.
    Agent Vinod

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Defence Exhibition is for next 4 days at Pragati Maidan.

    India is the biggest arms buyer now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How much money are you going to make in this Dalali?

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  • Anonymous

    Righto !! A+++

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    Anonymous Reply:

    comment disappeared triple fast.

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  • Anonymous

    The letter from Gen. V.K. Singh raised two issues-
    1. Indian defence forces are grossly unprepared because it lacks ammunition and right equipment to fight.
    2. Who leaked the letter to media?

    Parliament and its media is concentrating on 2nd point only. What about the 1st one?

    As far as leak is concerned, UPA govt. is known for selectively leaking information to suit its purpose. I think this leak is from PMO because it wants to find an excuse to force General to resign.

    The previous Generals did UPA’s bidding and became governers. This speaks volumes about how UPA wants Army to behave..as loyal chowkidaars.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    rajeev

    i am with Sp on this. he, the general, should be fired.

    He has been in responsible positions including as the chief of army all these years, and he raises the preparedness issue one day before he retires!

    I understand the bribery issue coming up and he communicating about that (assuming this happened recently and not long ago)

    As to the preparedness issue – if we think our politicians and the “supreme parliamentarians” are concerned about military preparedness, as they say I have a bridge to sell to you!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know that Gen. Singh did not raise of issue of corruption and unpreparedness before? He may have done it officially many times. Only after getting frustrated, he may have directly written to PM bypassing Antony.
    He has everything to loose by raising these issues as govt. has power to harrass him post-retirement.
    If govt. sacks him, it will be recipe for disaster. Our armed forces have been apolitical and any wrong move by CIVILLIAN govt. can have lasting impact on psyche of Indian soldier.

    In the words of Congressi janta here “Don’t shoot the messenger”.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Been watching TV (Times Now) and a few things emerged.
    This letter is not a unusual thing. Most service chiefs have written such a letter to the PM through the Min Def. And, even if they had not, the letter itself is not improper. It deals with issues. You may debate whether the Chief should have done more to solve some issues when in service, but that is not to deny the issues exist.
    The letter was not written with the intent to make it public- leakage of the letter itself is a serious matter and must be investigated. But, that does not mean that the issues raised are frivolous and or a connection with the General’s age row must be made out.
    I though Vyalar Ravi and indeed Abhishek Manu Singhvi’s comments were undignified- more suited to Mamata brand of politics than anything else.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, Vayalar Ravi as a cabinet minister is a big surprise for us here… His wife is christian (now deceased), and that is the only thing we could find as a reason for him to be in the central cabinet.

    FYi , Anthony and he attended the same high school, I believe at the same time.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    I am immensely saddened by these developments. The last few institutions left, relatively clean, are being brought into dirty games of politicians. I am a civilized ( and civilian) person but had so much presence in Indian Army (my family and friends) that I feel a sort of kinship with them. Where all this will end?. It is an upright General versus those venal politicians? V.K. Singh has reached at the top, because of his qualities and not some largesses from politicos. Every passing day and I become more depressed with India. The economic improvement , which we witnessed in last decade had nothing to do with politicians, it was industry, Geopolitics and many other factors, which brought that prosperity. Politicians exploited it to the hilt like vultures and hyenas. I am getting desperate and wish not to lose my equilibrium with Indians and Indian politicos in particular.

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    AshishC Reply:

    The people will have to rise.. for that they will need to have ambition (not just material) and education (not just vocational).
    Then we need leadership. Someone like Vajpayee or PVNR.
    Ruthless yet, able to balance and drive an agenda.
    The time for nice but ineffectual men is gone. As someone who has vast experience in the higher echelons of management, I am sure you will agree.

  • Anonymous

    Why is Badal lobbying for Beant Singh’s assassin?

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/clicklit/entry/why-is-badal-lobbying-for-beant-singh-s-assassin

    Excerpts

    Rajoana – who had pleaded guilty – did not appeal; he has, even now, refused to be an active participant in the drama being played out, declining to meet political leaders and refusing to accept the Zinda Shaheed title bequeathed to him by the Akal Takht. It’s a strange thing to say, but the only person who seems to have handled himself with dignity at this point is the one awaiting the gallows. Perhaps the fact that somewhere in his mind, he’d stepped out to possibly end his life that day in 1995 itself, gives him a sense of perspective that others lack.

    ———
    news report online at the moment says the Akal Takht has directed the CM to immediately meet the President and take immediate steps to secure the unconditional release of Rajoana. What does this mean? Even by the benchmarks of our political lobbying, this is new. A serving CM has been “directed” to secure the “unconditional release” of someone who is awaiting execution, for being party to the assassination of a former CM of that very state?

    ———-

    And what a thoroughly duplicitous stand the BJP has taken! If the government of J&K calls for pardoning a convict on death row, the BJP will find that anti-national and explain to us the need to uphold the due process of law. If the same thing is done by a party with which it has an alliance, in Punjab, it will pretend to take no notice of the matter at all.

    ———-

    To what degree is the Indian political system willing to legitimize political affiliation guided largely by ethnic lines to intervene in the judicial process? Tamil Nadu asks for clemency to Rajiv’s killers; J&K legislators ask for clemency to Afzal Guru; Punjab seeks to put off the death sentence to Beant’s killer – in each case, people found guilty by the judicial process of assassinating political leaders or of being part of terrorist activities are the ones for whom state governments and assemblies lobby, ostensibly to preserve peace. If it wasn’t tragic, it would have been comic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hanging has been stayed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A weak government and weak country has tears for killers… but not for their victims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I had posted the same link in the discussion between you and Ravi, before it got moderated.

    Answer will be tough when boundary between right and wrong starts getting fussy. But just wished our judiciary was faster (at least in the case of political assassination, terrorism and riots. Yes, including Gujarat riots and Godhra train burning). If judgment related to Rajiv Gandhi had come in 1992 and Beant Singh’s by 1997, people would not have questioned at the first place.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Cases moving at a snail pace is the bane of our country. At least
    high profile cases should be put on fast track.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Therefore, those who have been given death sentence should be killed by slow poison rather than by hanging.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The best solution to all these controversies is to do away with the death penalty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Not sure whether that will be effective. In this case itself
    some people are calling for clemency. We will thousands
    of clemency appeals pending in the courts which will
    further slow down our judiciary processes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It should. No politician/vested interests would ‘dare’ to demand the commutation of a life imprisonment to something less.

    For heinous crimes, it should be rigorous life imprisonment.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    I have always found you to be moderate

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Compliment or pulling leg?

    Ravi Reply:

    Compliment for sure

  • Anonymous

    Corruption is a way of life in Tirupati Tirumala Devasthanams

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Corruption-is-a-way-of-life-in-Tirupati-Tirumala-Devasthanams/articleshow/12436087.cms

    “It’s a mini state in itself, giving rise to corruption at every level ,” says a senior temple official. Right from the time a pilgrim gets down at Tirupati to catch a bus to the Tirumala hills for a darshan, has his head tonsured, obtains an appointment with the joint executive officer for accommodation, buys laddu prasadam, he has to grease the palms of employees and agents.

    ———–

    Corruption has became a norm, ‘1+1′ has become the code word to get things done. By this, a pilgrim has to pay double of what he is entitled for a service. Madhava Reddy, an onion trader from Hindupur , had the bitter experience of shelling out Rs 5,000 to a tout recently. “Though an AC room costs Rs 1,500, I had to spend Rs 5,000 since they took Rs 1,500 as commission towards accommodation (under 1+1 scheme) and Rs 2,000 more for darshan and prasadam,” he said.

    ————

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  • Anonymous

    My 4 posts disappeared within 15 min.
    Dhawan seems to be very busy as he claimed before.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi,
    I posted a detailed reply that got deleted. I won’t post it again.
    In short I disagree with you on this letter controversy. According to me Gen. wrote to PM only after the issues raised by him were ignored by defence ministry repeatedly.
    I don’t think UPA has spine to sack Gen. They will be committing a big blunder if they do so.

    By the way this blog is hijacked by Siballians. It is time to abandon this blog and move to Zia or someone else’s blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    you are absolutely right. Nobody in this government has the guts to discharge Gen.VK Singh dishonourably. It will be an invitation to disaster unlike the NDA which had discharged the Navy Chief.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Friends;
    Recently saw a movie, Pan Singh Tomar. It is seriouly being considered as an Indian entry for Oscar. It is said to be made on a real life person, Pan Singh,a JCO in Indian Army, who was an International runner for India in eighties and later on, died as a dacoit in Chambal.
    I remember a dialogue between two Army Officers,in this movie, where one says, Sir, Englishmen have left two good things for Army, one is discipline and another is Icecream.
    Infact, Englishmen had left a host of good institutions for India, Starting with Railways( One of the largest and efficient one, if not best). Indian Army, Postal services, one of the best in world.Judiciary, which was lenient or so as to say, law abiding it self to let activists and politicians go free, may be even annoying britishers themselves. Forest services, Elite colleges and what not.
    Just look at these institutions now, whatever, Indians touched, have become dust. Come and attack me now, will be more than happy to join the battle.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1000% correct. Looking at the governance now, I feel British rule was blessing in disguise for India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now English is a blessing in DISCUS for Vinod Sharma!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Top on the list should be their Language. Otherwise perhaps we would not
    be discussing this issue.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    oops, sorry, yes this beautiful language is a big asset, magar ham is ki bhi…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Vinay in one of his post had said -
    Britishers gave us tea but masala tea belongs to us.

    We have made their language more ‘colourful.’

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nirad pankaj choudhuri , shwetlinga bhokta (with due acknowledgement to shenoy BV, balls challa sandhu and vijay khap builder)

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I realize that you had been abused and that was not fair but you should also change your style, You were more offensive than constructive. I found many of your ideas, practical and worthwhile.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    His vast knowledge on many subjects combined with his arrogance brings a completely
    different flavor to this blog. Yes if offensive language is stopped by everyone I am sure
    we will have more knowledgeable and fun filled environment.
    Guys not trying to preach, just humbly expressing my opinion.

  • Pankaj#1

    Friends;
    I am listening to Qawwalis now a days in my Car. One of the best of all time- Na to Karwan ki Talash hai, na to hamsafar ki talsh hai, jo dawa ke naam par jahar de, us Charagar ki talash hai. This is ending with- Khak ko but or but ko devta karta hai ishq, intaha hai ke bande ko khuda karta hai Ishq.

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    Ravi Reply:

    One of best compositions of Sahir Ludhianvi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Qawalis have their own charm. Naturally my favourite is

    Jhoom barabar Jhoom Sharabi.
    Aaj angoor ki beti se mohabbat kar le

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arguably the best ever qawaalis of all time – filmy or non-filmy. My favourite.

    Composer Roshan will always be remembered for it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    your ‘talaash will end with Dr.Manmohan Singh.
    All his prescriptions for our economy have turned to jahar.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Do not know, how it is being done in India but here, a tough entry in industry is followed by a comparatively free hand to employee in his/ her chosen field. Any resignation is investigated and a genuine suppression of that employee, if found out results in a severe stricture of emplyee’s supervisor, some time even to his termination. I know this because I know.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Different countries, different environment, different thinking, different systems.

    Kahin chori to kahin seena zori

    and here in India

    Jo kare chori wahi kare seena zori.

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  • Anonymous

    Mulayam Singh (SP) has proposed name of RAJA BHAIYYA as next Army Chief whereas Congress is pitching for Digvijay Singh.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Raja Bhaiyya will beat him any day if there was a competition. He uses
    weapons regularly.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Digvinash too is no less effective. He regularly uses the weapons of falsehood and media manipulation. Raja Bhaiya is a novice in these areas.

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  • Anonymous

    Well, the whole Lok Sabha electoral map will be changed if SP manages 10-20% of the seats in the upcoming Delhi Municipal corporation seats. All indications are that they will get a good number.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Delhi now has more Biharis then Patna. If nitish Kumar sends his party here… they will trounce the Congress 10-0

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  • Anonymous

    What would have happened if this was an ancient Mosque.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article3207207.ece

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohanr,
    Don’t worry. Such an ancient temple can not pulled down. ASI will take care of it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-

    Well, I am sure the highway will be rerouted, especially since it is still in a planning stage.

    But this points to a disturbing situation. Shouldn’t we have a database/repository of historical buildings/temples/mosques/churches etc (truly historical temple like this one built by Cholas, or, say a church built by the Dutch etc) with its coordinates/latitude/longitude etc so the planners for infrastructure can consider these in their construction plans?

    Jayalalitha will not allow this. She has a deep sense for the country and its heritage. Chola kingdom, “Sangam period” etc resonate with the people here.
    She has requested that “Rama Sethu” (of sethu samudram project) be declared a national monument – you may remember that Karunanidhi had ridiculed the whole thing, alienating a lot of people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Truly historical structures, the heritage of our country should be preseved .

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I think this is a great idea. I really do.

    Considering it is a historical fact that Islam is an imported religion and therefore not a part of the rich heritage of our country, it should be declared that each and every mosque is erected on a building which before it was desicrated and pulled down, was a part of our heritage. Example Taj Mahal is not a mausoleum, who knows who is buried there. But we do know that a very very famous and well documented Shiv Temple used to stand where Taj is today. We should employ all our efforts to destroy Taj Mahal – just as we destroyed that evil building the Babari Masjid and then preserve what is left of the foundations of the said Shiv Temple.

    I hear murmurs in our canteen that a list exists with names of all the Hindu Temples whose foundations are under the buildings belonging to an alien culture. What remains to be done is to commission Tech Mahindra to develop a plan of how one by one we should demolish these alien buildings (using readily available and simply syndicated volunteer force) and restore the pride as well the heritage of us Indians.
    The studio that coloured Naya Daur and the Mughal – e – Azam is currently preparing a proposal to submit to the government of India that all films of Dilip Kumar (Fake name) – an alien talent – will be digitally re-mastered and in these films Dilip Kumar’s face will be replaced by Shatrughan Sinha’s face. The commercial viability of this heritage project can be judged by the fact that Shatrughan’s fan base would never have seen a Dilip Kumar’s film. After this transformation of our heritage films, they will be thronging to the cinema Halls.

    A national TV completion will be launched and public will be asked to vote who se face should replace the face of Nargis.

    I have already written to the manager of Liberty Cinema to reserve me a seat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I just don’t understand why you are angry?

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohn

    I am not angry and certainly not at you.

    You are a mate.

    Just a tarnsient bout of sarcasm overcame me

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    . Would say only one thing. Hate never helps, it only increases the pain.

    Ravi Reply:

    Agreed.

    I do not hate. Sarcasm may well be the lowest form of wit. It is not an expression of hate.

    Sorry if I hurt you, believe me nothing was further from my mind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ati vinayam dhoorta lakshanam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is what his religion teaches.

    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan,
    I thought it was just a great piece of creative writing. All in good fun.
    As a true blue Delhiwalla would say, ki pharak painda?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Yes I do accept that it was a graeat piece of creative writing. It was just a momentary
    lapse. Back to normal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    long lay-offs from this blog has this effect on certain kind of minds. You just wait and see what garbage engrich will spew here when he emerges as a stronger jihadi from Tora Bora.

    As for fake Ravi, he now believes that he has gained a new something, which he strongly believes to be sense of humour. Kindly bear with him, this too will pass, leading to some kind of uneasy sobriety.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Truly historical structures, the heritage of our country should be preseved .

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  • Anonymous

    Mumbai best example of voter apathy: CEC

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mumbai-best-example-of-voter-apathy-cec/929170/0

    “One of the biggest challenges to fair elections is voter apathy and Mumbai is the best example of that. Here you see higher turnout only in sensitive areas. One cannot keep complaining about inadequate services if you do not want to cast your vote and elect good people to power,” Quraishi told a discussion organized by citizens’ groups about the need for electoral reforms in India.

    ——————

    Quraishi also touched upon practical difficulties faced by the election commission, such as criminals contesting elections. “Since 1998, the CEC has been asking the Parliament to debar criminals who have serious charges against them from contesting elections. Similarly, we have stepped up our efforts to stop the flow of black money during elections and managed to stop money laundering to quite an extent,” he said.

    ——–

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  • Anonymous

    More Mamta bashing
    —————————–

    Didi chooses ‘friendly’ papers for govt libraries

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/didi-chooses-friendly-papers-for-govt-libraries/929345/0

    Neither the main Bengali dailies nor any English newspapers are in the list.

    =======

    The newspapers that fit the Mamata government’s criteria include recently launched newspapers, many of them with low circulation, who are not critical of the government or openly support it. Four editors of these papers have been elected to the Rajya Sabha on Trinamool Congress ticket.

    According to the circular, the listed newspapers will help “promote language and develop free thinking among the masses”.

    Officials of the Library Services Department admitted that this is the first instance of such a circular. The managing boards of libraries have so far been the final authority on deciding which newspapers and periodicals to offer.

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  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ WHY WE NEED KIRAN BEDI AS HOME MINISTER !!! ~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    If you look at Chidambaran today, he looks like a pale shadow of what he was as finance Minster. He spends his time saving himself and planning how to use the CBI to ccreate opportunity for congress survival .

    his predecessor Shivraj patil distinguished himself by wanting to hand over Afzal Guru to Pakistan.

    I think Kiran Bedi would make a fabulous Home minister. She is courageous , honest (despite al of UPA’s effort nothing could be pinned to her), imaginative and knows the system from inside.

    MMS can use her for changing India. Rahul and Sonia should also seek Kiran’s help in how to remove and punish the corrupt in the Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    good idea .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think this discredited government needs out of the box thinking. Getting Kiran on board as the Home Minister will restore some credibilty which has been lost.

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  • Anonymous

    New YorkTimes article/continuing coverage on the forced conversion of Hindu women in pakistan — those burquaed head covered young women could be our sisters …is there any outrage by government of Idia about this.. OR are they keepivg mum so as not to upset the Muslims of India–
    Are Muslim organizations in India protesting this..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/world/asia/no-quick-resolution-to-pakistani-case-of-rinkel-kumari-conversion-to-islam.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very enlightening article. of course our TV chnnels and newsprint will never print this.

    I think in such cases once the girls become pregnant and bear a child very difficult for her to go back.

    Ultimately the fanatics would have captured a womb.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    That is thir strategy — capture the womb.. Times hd a good article yesterday too. I posted it yesterday.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Sorry my reply got pasted above. ! In reply to a posting by Manohar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Benny,

    We have a spineless government. They show there courage by lathi charging
    sleeping people at midnight.

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  • Anonymous

    Ram Jethmalani lauds Pranab, says he is PM material

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_ram-jethmalani-lauds-pranab-says-he-is-pm-material_1668655

    Excerpt

    “I have so much of respect for my friend, Pranabda. He has been the longest companion of mine in Parliamentary life. I know about his intellectual abilities. I believe that he is Prime Ministerial material.”

    ——–

    Isn’t that a blasphemy coming from a BJP MP?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is divide and rule. Pranabda would preen…

    Chidambaran da wouold turn green

    Digviansh da would stutter

    rahul da would have an Amul icecream and cry…”Mummy… mera kya hoga…?”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Frankly whenever I travel abroad… I do notice that it is common for Muslim men to be hanging with girls of other communities, including whites. But very very very rare for a Muslim girl to be doing so.

    Same concept. Battle of the womb.

    This actually breeds stereotypes and simmering resentment.

    As a freind of Muslims and with no intention to hurt but only to remove misgivings, I would suggest that laws of equal freedom for men and women be given; If your brother or son can go out with a Hindu or a Christian girl, please give an equal freedom to you sister and daughter…

    Otherwise it would be seen as a battle of the womb.

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  • Anonymous

    Yesterday my simple non offensive sher was removed, I hope it will not happen to this one.

    Paristish ki tammanna mein gaya masjidon mein aur chadaye mandiron mein phool
    Swamiyon ke pair pakde darwaaze khatkataye peeron ke par haath aaye sirf shool
    Kaash Yaad sirf karta bachpan mein sunee hui baaten
    Ki woh to mere andar hi hai to karta nahin yeh bhool

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Ke peeja ayyam ki talkhi ko bhi hans kar Nasir
    Gam ko peene main bhi kudarat ne maja rakkha hai.
    Jab se tune mujhe deewana bana rakkha hai. ( Deewana Aap ne nahin, Abida ko Nasir ne)

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    Ravi Reply:

    संग हर शख्स ने हाथों में उठा रखा है

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Peene ki baat kari aur aap chup rahe? sab khairiyat to hai?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sonakshi Sinha par mar mit choke hai…

    Jaago Mohan pyaare…
    Aapko Pankaj pukaare

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Good morning. Bagal mein biwi aur sapon mein Sonakshi Jaoon to Jaoon khaana.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Good morning, went to sleep early last night. Did not see your post. Now subah subah what should I saw about daaru?

    Ravi Reply:

    तेरा दिल तो है सनम आशना तुझे क्या मिलेगा नमाज़ में

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    In the middle of watching kahani at a friends place. But the plight of the Paksitani doctor whose fammily was forced to convert was still haunting my head. Seems that even though Osama might be mating with whales, he has left enough foot soldiers to continue his battles…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    It is a very sad situation in Pakistan. I don’t see any improvement in coming future
    on the contrary things may worsen there.

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  • Anonymous

    In Saudi Arabia, almost two hundred female camels were recently executed after they were accused of driving their own carts and thus practicing black magic.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really really funny !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Disclaimer: This joke has come from Pakistani muslim.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Sometimes you come up with a gem. Really very funny.

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  • Anonymous

    —-

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    Ravi Reply:

    Really really funny !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Disclaimer: The funny line was taken from Guruji of Ravi Dhawan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what was the line… I seemed to have missed it.?

    Anonymous Reply:

    —-

    This was the line that Dhawan keeps using while eating his words.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is only a dotted line, literally.

  • Anonymous

    Well when the topic is saudi , how can islamic barbarism be far behind.
    Folks FIRST time in my life I came across a FEMALE patient who has had FEMALE CIRCUMCISION.This is England , a microcosm of the world. This was an Egyptian patient , who I had to operate. Before operating I had to catheterise , and hey presto , something is missing.
    Female Circumcision is ONLY practised in ARABIC and NORTH AFRICAN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. There are women (Daee) who essentially chop of the clitoris, SO THAT WOMEN DO NOT GET AROUSED DURING SEX AND REMAIN PLIANT AND MANIKEN LIKE.
    Wellcome to the region of piss

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    You are right this horrible thing is still happening but has reduced a bit as few
    woman have started protesting. The simple reason is that men there do noy want
    women to enjoy this process lest they my cheat on them. Good news is that
    this is on decline.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    I remembered that you do not go back to your own posts but my emotions were playing havoc with me, hence, I am posting my reply to you here.
    I am immensely saddened by these developments. The last few institutions left, relatively clean, are being brought into dirty games of politicians. I am a civilized ( and civilian) person but had so much presence in Indian Army (my family and friends) that I feel a sort of kinship with them. Where all this will end?. It is an upright General versus those venal politicians? V.K. Singh has reached at the top, because of his qualities and not some largesses from politicos. Every passing day and I become more depressed with India. The economic improvement , which we witnessed in last decade had nothing to do with politicians, it was industry, Geopolitics and many other factors, which brought that prosperity. Politicians exploited it to the hilt like vultures and hyenas. I am getting desperate and wish not to lose my equilibrium with Indians and Indian politicos in particular.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    You will see true nature of UPA govt. when Gen. retires. He will be harassed and this fake investigation into leak episode will find Gen. guilty.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I follow you on Disqus.. I did see your comment and respond :)
    Just to add,
    I live in India- I can’t allow pessimism to cloud my outlook permanently. So, I use my anger, sarcasm and sometimes just plain laughter to keep the blues away.
    The last couple of years, our public life has driven me to the brinks of despair- but, I live and hope.
    I also wanted to underline that I totally agree that our growth in the past decade is “in spite of” and not because of the politicians- they are only involved in looting the people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I liked your this line. I live in India – I can’t allow pessimism to cloud my outlook
    permanently. Since I am a NRI – not required/reliable Indians as we are most of the time called-my most of my acquaintances are also NRI. Almost everyone has become
    cynic in their outlook about India. They just don’t want to believe that India has changed since they left this country many years ago and it is still changing. Here we can afford to remain cynic and
    pessimist about India as most of us have decided to stay here forever. We don’t want to
    believe and accept that like any other country India is also facing many obstacles and there are many genuine, honest people who are working hard for the improvement
    of our country.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    long time back, I was told that it is only 5 to 7 % people, who really do a day’s honest work and country is making whatever little progress it makes, because of them. I hope to see at least 70% people work an honest day’s work, that will be my India.

    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan,
    I probably made it sound a bit too grand.. it is actually simple. Living in India can wear you down, you need to train yourself to think positive.
    I was an NRI too for some years- and I certainly laud the interest some of you (you, Pankaj, Ravi, Rajeev, Shan, Binoy…)take in what’s going on in the country- I did not.
    I do think India is changing and we are changing- for the better. But, living thru the change process is not easy.
    From outside, it appears to be worse than it is. When I used to read South China Morning Post, it seemed like India and Pakistan would anyday nuke each other. This was the aftermath of the parliament attack.

  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Ravi wrote a lenghthy post about historical buildings an all that. I am with Ravi. No more destruction of historical structures but may be just three- Kashi Vishvanath, Mathura Janm Bhumi and teesra bhul gaya. ( I am kidding here, no offence).
    Reminds me of an advertizement, and surprise of surprise, that was sent to me by my Gora boss, : The greatest, most magnificient erection a man had for a woman- ViAgra.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Rajeev;
    I have given some suggestion to Shan and I am ready for a fusilade. I will also suggest to you that even if you do not agree with Sanjay, try to argue in place of outright rejection in not so civil language. Both your and Sanjay’s name are my family members and I am particularly soft with them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If Sanjay continues to use the language that he uses, I am forced to retaliate. I get a feeling that you have more affection towards people of your age.
    Let Sanjay behave his age first. He tries to bulldoze all the debate with non-sense ably supported by Congressi-Jehadi gang who find everything wrong with people who don’t share their political views. These people come from the same mindset as Manish Tiwari, Digvijay Singh…They destroy the discussion with their uncivil behavior.

    If they behave, I will spare them.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Most of my posts especially the rebuttals to Sanjay and gang is promptly deleted.

    Have you ever wondered where did Prabhat/Prahalad vanish and this Sanjay appear suddenly?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    I appreciated you for your youthful energy in many posts. please do not take me for a naive person. like you, I am in industry, which work against all the odds. My approach and your approach is different, but may be, goal is same.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you also stopped wondering whether this swayambhu, called Sanjay, has ever written anything on any other blog, before Prahlad disappeared from this blog or before Prabhat appeared suddenly and disappeared too, rather too suddenly?

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  • Anonymous

    This is Laloo’s reaction to leaked General’s letter-
    “Hum itna paisa diye hein..kya kiya uska..Hatao ise”.

    This Jahil Laloo doesn’t know that it is defence ministry that controls and spends the money allocated. The max. Army chief can do is give his opinion.
    If an onion like Laloo start making statement on honest General, we can understand the level of arrogance in UPA and its partner.

    The irony is that same parliament reprimanded Anna’s team on so called GUTTER language but the people like Laloo regularly use GUTTER language against everyone.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    That is the irony. Indians have been given, democracy, most exalted system of governance in present days, and what we get, is Laloo. Is ki to… See the wordings- hum itna paisa deeyen hain, is ke baap ki jageer luta raha hai?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    What do you mean by “Indians have been given” .. are we some wretched group that somebody has to give” something to us???

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    I believe you were not born but you must have heard or read that when Britishers were withdrawing, various forms of governance was contemplated, including some sorts of democracy but not the universal adult franchise or adult suffrage. Gandhiji insisted on and was adamant for universal one person one vote system, empowering our have nots, which changed their position in society for ever, without any bloodshed. That is why I said, Indians were GIVEN, of course by better souls, but nonetheless Indians. Do you think that this empowerment is being not exploited by venal politicians?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    And there are still some people out there who criticize Gandhi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And a few put an end to his life.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Rajeev,

    Understand your frustration and anger. Similar thing I had heard about one year ago
    when one of the chamcha – do not recollect the name- had claimed that Soniagi is
    helping the poor of India by giving them money through NREGA.
    Yes, as if unki Baap ki jaagir hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonia G is also helping poor Swiss banks by giving them her (?) money, so that thousands of impoverished, about-to be-on-the-streets bank employees may lead a decent life.

    Why don’t you recognise this “sacrifice” by the Rajmata?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    I watched a debate where Abhishek Manu Singhavi used word ‘DIVINE’ for Rahul. He belongs to same govt. that calls RAMA as myth.

  • Anonymous

    Cancer cases tied to religion, region in India

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cancer-cases-tied-to-religion-region-in-India/articleshow/12448762.cms

    A youngster living in India’s northeast is four times more likely to develop and succumb to cancer in his lifetime as compared to a youngster living in Bihar. A Muslim woman is less likely than her Hindu counterpart to die of cervical cancer, which kills one Indian woman every seven minutes. Clearly, India’s diversity is reflected in how cancer behaves and kills here.

    The first-ever study on India’s cancer deaths shows that the area one lives in, his or her economic and educational status and religion contribute to the malady’s outcome.

    ———

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Nirodh Babu

    Be not so proud of being a Bong…

    Today I have been given drawings of a project near Kokatta WHICH IS OWNED (HIDDEN OWNER) BY A BIG BONG LEADER WHO PROFESSES simplicty and morals for others.

    I have these drgs for 3 hrs just to check put whether a senior consultant has made a mistake.

    But your halo of being pure by birth only gets disproved very second…

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  • Anonymous

    Local solutions to conquer hunger

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3255136.ece?homepage=true

    India is a hungry country. The Food and Agriculture Organisation Report on Hunger 2006 pegs the number of malnourished in India at 212 million and estimates that between 20 and 34 per cent of our population is malnourished. Despite the implementation of the Public Distribution System for several decades and Targeted PDS for the last one-and-a-half decades, it is estimated that more than 50 per cent of the children in rural areas suffer from malnourishment; with 21 per cent suffering from severe malnutrition. The irony is that these dismal facts and statistics coexist with record production of foodgrains. So, why is it that there is such deprivation amidst such plenty?

    ———–

    Finally, the availability of cheap rice and wheat at PDS outlets has dissuaded many a rural household from trying cuisine that evolved out of the environmental and socio-economic conditions in a given area. These local cuisines were cost-effective, used local ingredients thus minimising the need to depend on external sources, and were designed to meet the nutritional needs of people in the most effective way.

    In the light of these arguments, we advocate the need for decentralising the PDS. The decentralised Public Distribution System is PDS reimagined; one that is democratic and involves rural communities at every stage of planning and implementation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Reminds me of Chhatisgarh – the numero uno state in PDS implementation – another BJP ruled state.

    Had posted a detailed reply – which disappeared in a minute – not inclined to type again.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    wise decision. In any case, the post would have disappeared with the same speed any number of times you posted them.

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  • Anonymous

    Governance, please
    Jaswant Singh, MP

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/governance-please/929622/0

    Excerpt

    Let us briefly recapitulate the sequence of important events in this continuing saga of Chief of Army Staff (COAS) vs MoD as the wags put it. The first sorry episode is, of course, the Chief’s date of birth confusion. It requires no elaboration that no one can be born on two different dates. Without tediously repeating the entire course of events, I am persuaded to believe that this could have been handled with much greater administrative finesse. The Raksha Mantri ought to have, with due grace, accepted what was averred by the Chief. But had the Defence Minister come to the conclusion that the conduct of the COAS was unacceptable, he ought then to have said so and taken all such steps as his high office mandated.

    Post the Supreme Court “judgment”, of sorts in reality, the management of the MoD became considerably more complex. It was then that the Prime Minister needed to step in; he is after all the Chairman of the CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security). For the country’s security, the PM, as the head of this apex body, bears full responsibility. The PM, alas, instead chose to make completely non-committal utterances of the most inane variety. The good Raksha Mantri in the meantime concentrated on remaining “good.”

    ———–

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  • Anonymous

    When corruption is a TV show

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/when-corruption-is-a-tv-show/929636/0

    Excerpt

    You have to wonder at his timing, if not his motives. Isn’t it odd that he kept quiet for so long? And that he should choose to reveal it so casually in interviews to The Hindu and the TV news channel, ETV? If you watched the ETV interview, the army chief is asked a question about being offered a bribe, easy as pie and out of the blue. He then drops the bombshell as if it’s peanuts. Just like that, as though this was yet another routine question and answer. Curious and curiouser.

    With so much corruption in the air and on air, it might be a wonderful idea to ask all public servants to appear on Sach Ka Saamna (Life OK), which is probing individual corrupt practices with the zeal of Anna Hazare. Host Rajeev Khandelwal asks all kinds of leading questions. For instance, he asked contestant Raj Thakur if he had ever accepted a bribe, and paid him Rs 50 lakh for admitting he had (amongst other sins).
    ————

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  • Anonymous

    Japan executes first prisoners since 2010

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/RestOfAsia/Japan-executes-first-prisoners-since-2010/Article1-832376.aspx

    Excerpt

    The hangings, of three people convicted of multiple murder, are only the second time the left-leaning Democratic Party of Japan has implemented the death penalty since it came to power in September 2009.

    Japan did not execute anyone in 2011, the first year in nearly two decades the country has not carried out a single death sentence amid a debate on the rights and wrongs of capital punishment.

    Ogawa said following the executions that 132 people remained on death row.

    These are known to include Shoko Asahara, the mastermind behind the 1995 sarin gas attacks on the Tokyo subway.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is a sher, which loves even she goats and cows:

    Manzil mil hi jayegi, bhatakte hue hi sahi
    gumraah to woh hain, jo ghar se nikale hi nahin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    A very good sher.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    aur yeh hai savva sher:

    Mukesh Ambani: agar me subah se apni car me niklun to sham tak apni aadhi property bhi nahi dekh sakta.
    Santa: hamare paas bhi aisi Khataraa car thi..bech di….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really funny. Brilliant.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vintage Shenoy.
    Thank you sir.

    Anonymous Reply:

    wow !

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    maza aagaya.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really gr8 one

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  • Anonymous

    Which is the most popular word which starts with f and ends with k.?

























    it is Facebook.

    The word you thought is second most popular.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what the fxxk!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope the censor did not thank of that word… :)

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  • Anonymous

    What is common among all these ‘big’ people, VIPs, prominent citizens, leaders?

    Amitabh bachchan
    Sheila Dixit
    R.K.Raghavan
    Anna Hazare
    A.P.Abdul Kutty, CPI(M) MLA, Kerala
    Shankar Aggarwal, IAS
    Mehbooba Mufti
    Abdul Ghulam Vastanvi
    Time Magazine
    Brookings Institution.

    Answer: All of them at some time or other made the single common mistake of praising Narendra Modi and suffered for it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    We should protest. Why our name is not included in this elite list.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Good One.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ REACTIONS TO SACHIN’S CENTURY ~~~~~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Here is what a friend emailed to me:
    ————————————————-

    1. Digvijay Singh – Sachin is an RSS agent. All these days he was
    > waiting to score his century against a Muslim country.
    >
    > 2. Manmohan Singh – I congratulate Sachin and also appreciate
    > leadership of Shrimati Sonia Gandhi.
    >
    > 3. Rahul Gandhi – My grandmother created Bangladesh. She deserves the
    > credit for this century.
    >
    > 4. Raj Thakrey – Sachin has proved himself to be a true Marathi Manus
    > after scoring this century. So what if India has lost, Maharashtrians
    > can not take the responsibility of the whole nation
    >
    > 5. Mulayam Singh Yadav – If Sachin was from UP, I would have made
    > tickets of all Cricket matches ‘Tax free’.
    >
    > 6. Anna Hazare – Sachin deserves to be the next lokpal of the country.
    >
    > 7. Baba Ramdev – If you multiply all the runs Sachin has made by a
    > billion is what is the total black money in foreign country.
    >
    > 8. Kapil Sibbal – Social media need to control comments on Sachin’s
    > century. It will harm the fabric of secularism in India.

    9. Swami Agnivesh – Now that Bangladesh has helped Sachin score his
    100th century, they have proved to be a true friend of India. Lets
    welcome their citizens to India and let them live wherever they can.
    Let us issue them Voter’s ID cards

    > 10. Kris Shrikant – We selectors hope that by 2050, Sachin will also
    > score his 150th century.
    >
    > 11. Arjun Tendulkar – I want to play with my father in 2020 world cup.
    >
    > 12. Sachin Tendulkar himself – Aaeellaaaa…. Now what excuse I will
    > make to not retire.
    >
    > 13. Sonia Gandhi : I want speech writer to write speech please
    >
    > 14. Karunanidhi…….Who is Sachin Tandulkar?
    >
    > 15. Jayalalitha…..Sometimes Sashikala could have been right. She
    > said something about this guy. I ignored it as I thought that he was a
    > Bollywood filmstar…In any case Dr. MGR was a better player
    >
    > But the best one indeed from Mamata which appeared in some Bengali daily:
    > She said- *I was not consulted in advance on such massive score hike,
    > hence the century should be rolled back to 90. She also demanded if it
    > is not rolled back or withdrawn by weekend, Sachin should be replaced
    > in the team by MadanMuloRoy.*

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Already forwarded to few of my friends. Mazaa aa gaya.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why did you have to write such a big passage, when you could really say

    ” BJP wallas are really ‘dumb’ ! ”

    -

    [ Not word for Sachin from BJP camp ! ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    (pseudo) Sanjay Sharmaji,

    As you are busy censoring even bhajans sung by Mohammed Rafi, you are obviously ignorant of news. Yesterday, Headlines Today showed former MP and renowned playback singer Lata Mangeshkar (I hope you know her) showered praises on her most favourite Marathi Manoos and he in turn said about her, “what can I say about my own mother?”

    That in long and short is BJP’s reaction to a routine century by Sachin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Please take the night dose of Jhaad phoonk. You badly need it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The reason why no word from the BJP camp is either because

    1) cricket is an alien sport (hence unpatriotic, unnationalistic and against the glorious traditions paramparaa, sabhayata and sanskruti of Hindutva). The fact that their ‘historians’ aka writers of fiction must be busy figuring out how to ‘prove’ that cricket originating in India more than 100000 years ago, is besides the point.

    2) Sachin does not do ’surya namaskar’ everyday at the crack of the dawn.

    or both.

    Now only if Sachin had excelled in ‘hu tu tu’ aka ‘ha du du’, then the BJP camp would have gone to town.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ofcourse the game of Cricket originated from here.

    What’s gili danda then! It travelled to England and became Cricket ! !

    Anonymous Reply:

    It was actually known as kurkat and was discovered when an Indian swung a Dhobi danda at a britishers balls in 1857

    Anonymous Reply:

    Most interesting, but unfortunately censored comment from Sanjay Sharma Dhawan: “chalo yaar, even though coming from a BJP supporter and hence calls for censor’s kainchi doing a fine job of it, let me pass it, because it is about a chap called Sachin, who, the post says (and I will this time believe it) has scored 100 centuries in a game called cricket. (what the hell is that?)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one!!!

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  • Pankaj#1

    Rajeev;
    Your letter made me feel that i am getting old and sort of preechy, Am I? if so, it is not from any smugness or feeling of superiority.
    Now, you did not read my first two lines of qawwali, particularly, Jo dawa ke naam per jahar….I had not posted those lines for titillation.
    I wish good for you hence
    ..Do not unsheath your sword, draw out khukri or raise your gun, once this is done, it has to work, otherwise you and they lose their Waqat.
    ..let some thing remain in Purda. I mean purda not Burka.You will enjoy situation more. I guarantee that you will lose interest in females if you visit Nude beaches and/ or parks. Yes they really exists.
    … While praise is written on sand, insults are written in stone, so be careful.
    As I started this with dawa, if you fall sick, go to a doctor, after all he has to raise a family-bacche palane hain, when he write a prescription, go to a chemist, after all use bhi bacche palane hain, family raise karni hai, after that when you reach home, DO NOT TAKE that medicine, after all tumhe bhi….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    While praise is written on sand, insults are written in stone… Classic!!

    Would I be careful?…. No way!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It take a very long time, perhaps a lifetime, to build a reputation, but it takes less than a second to destroy it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Let me start by saying that I respect you a lot and the reason is not your age but wisdom. I do not believe in age-wisdom concept.
    Coming to Qawwali, I am kind of poetry illiterate but when it is in music form, I manage to understand it better.
    I agree that I am combative but it is mostly retaliation. There was a tendency on this blog to nip any criticism of corruption especially the congress one by labelling other sanghi. Some people justified Islamic terrorism but when it came to so-called hindu terrorism, they had totally different take. They forget that hindus never invaded mid-east. It was muslims who invaded India.
    I had chance of visiting nude beach in Norway. I prefer a women draped in sexy sari to one in bikini or burqini.

    I’ll take your advise but I hope other side too is listening. As a warning to them, I repeat, do not torpedo the debate with propaganda. Let facts do the talking.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    they have now found an easier way to silence opposing points of view, particularly from those who post hard-hitting replies like you do.

    They now have the moderator, who simply censors such “offensive”posts.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Rajeev;
    Felt overwhelmed.
    In nude reference, I was trying to say that we know, who is who fairly accurately. Instead of giving them names, enjoy their posturing and finish their arguments with better arguments. if they get it deleted, you have won.If they are obfuscating it, make it clear and you have won again. These skills you develop in industry, where irrational guy will or can stay only for a limited time. Facts are Facts. Being combatative is much better than being a coward or over sensitive to, Log kya kahenge type situation. This can be achieved even by not using those words, which are universally considered not good.
    I was trying to say nothing more or nothing less.

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  • Anonymous

    In one India politicians and bureaucrats steal billions and billions.

    And then there is another India of children like Durga Jatav.

    Read…

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/for-some-adolescent-girls-in-india-a-struggle-to-s

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    I don’t have words to express what I am feeling after reading this article.
    There are millions things to do to improve the life of millions of our fellow Indians.

    Thanks for the link.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bad, bad..
    The whole welfare system has to be updated; direct payments through “Adhar” type systems will help. Government by itself cannot implement the developmental challenges; there has to be private/public partnerships. Lot of money is spent on uplifting; it all goes into rat holes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb, Mohan, Binoy,

    the situation is really really bad. The article narrates a somewhat better situated family of poor Jatavs. There are much worse cases.

    Even good intentioned and determined individuals too can organise help to such poor and needy families. I am engaged ina very small way in helping poor students with books, bags, shoes and uniform. Of course, the effort is only a small beginning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your effort is praiseworthy. Just proves that empty vessals who make a lot of noise here… would only have fake tears and no action.

    Anonymous Reply:

    yes, indeed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is really heart breaking. As an NRI, I feel, I have abandoned my country. I can partially blame my ambitions and partly the circumstances.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~ HINDUSTAN TIMES, my favourite paper, SOME PICTURES ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Sanjayji

    I hope you honestly reply to this. I opened the net edition of the HIndustan Times and by read an article called

    Is India ready for nude art?

    A picture– in fact there were four of them accompanied the article. I am attatching the picture here. SInce in your view I am a BJP supporter, (I am nuetral actually.. just an India supporter)– will you let the houd dogs after me that a porno gate has occured?

    PS: I may remind you that the pic is from the HT and has certainly gone past its editor including VInod Sharma

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    if your disqus status is a ‘messenger’, you will be shot, as per the rules laid down by Sanjay and company.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I will recieve all the bullets on my chest to protect Vinod Sharma’s right to have this article and photo in the HT .

    Roe-te huae aate hai sab
    Hansta hua jo jayega

    Woh Muqaddar ka sikander
    Jaaneman kehalaayega…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you take the morning dose of Jhaad phoonk or not ? Looks like you have been skipping it !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you a BJP supporter ? Nah !

    “In my whole life I have not seen a neutral guy who fights so much for BJP’s cause.” Real praise worthy.

    -

    How would you react if you find a porn picture inside the history book of your younger brother ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well as long as the cause is pro India– as was Sardar Patel’s, Ghaffar Khan’s and Arif Mohammad Khan’s… I fight for it.

    I think the issue is the picture in the HT. What is your opinion on it. It is going to all houses— where kids of 5 and adults of 90 alos live.

    As for my younger brother if he is over 18, I would advise him to admire the pic in the HT. And not get obsessed with porn as it makes you dumb and single track.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How would you react if you find a porn picture inside the history book of your younger brother ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    How would you react when this HT picture appears in the history book of your brother?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shocked. Because that’s most unlikely place. A porn pic inside a history book !

    If you were shocked then you would advise your brother not to indulge in it.

    And,

    if you were not shocked you would probably encourage your brother to put it on the wall so that everybody could enjoy it.

    Since you did not appear to be shocked, I believe you are a very broad minded person. You should be. After all you have a sense of history, some brilliant perspectives. And we are the country that exported kamasutra to the World !

    So I trust you to appeal to the speakers of Karnataka and Gujarat assemblies to declare –

    ” Porn is welcome in this house. Members can mix business with porn. They are welcome to watch porn if they find the proceedings a little dry, business like and boring”.

    Then there will be no shock value for the rest of us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was talking about this photo from the Hindustan Times. I think if a picture is worht a 1000 words… your effort to hide this picture have not succeeded in 1000 words.

    I was referring to the Gujarat assembly Kaand… which made you gleefull :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    You got a comprehensive answer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was talking about this photo from the Hindustan Times. I think if a picture is worht a 1000 words… your effort to hide this picture have not succeeded in 1000 words.

    I was referring to the Gujarat assembly Kaand… which made you gleefull :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay Sir,

    very stupid of you to put forth this kind of arguments. If you are not shocked it doesn’t at all mean that you can enlarge the photo of a naked girl and hang it in your drawing room.

    Again, your mention of Gujarat assembly is stupider still, particularly when you know it has been proved to be a congressi hatchet job gone awry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Either he is ashamed to call himself a BJP supporter or the BJP is ashamed to have him as a supporter (the day I figure out which, I will let you know) , so one is compelled to trumpet himself as a neutral and thoroughly independent.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Vijay is supporter of BJP or not, that is immaterial. whatever he is saying is right or wrong, that is to be seen. All yours and Sanjay’s post clearly show that you people are Congress supporters but that is immaterial. Whatever you are saying is correct or wrong, that should be the test.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Vijay is supporter of BJP or not, that is immaterial. whatever he is saying is right or wrong, that is to be seen. All yours and Sanjay’s post clearly show that you people are Congress supporters but that is immaterial. Whatever you are saying is correct or wrong, that should be the test.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is the line of argument that Manohar takes all the time. How can you debate with such people who can never take a neutral view?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    this is the typical congressi troll’s periodical vomit of sob stories of injured innocence. He writes them hoping that at least his fellow trolls like Mahesh and fake Ravi would, out of pity, read them.

    Otherwise there are always the insufferable cut-and-paste jobs fit for a 1st year student of journalism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Immaterial. That is the precise operative word.

    I hope the label-fabricators (at the last count, there were three, no one else indulges in it now) realise and I am afraid they don’t – instead of debates you have abuse and labeling and that is the precisely the reason, I do not interact with them..

    Have I ever labeled you, Ashish, Mohan, Gopi and host of others – even though I may not concur with the views expressed?

    I appreciate you telling one to lay off. I hope the message has gone home.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    This appeal, as also made by you some time back applies to every one. I will be the last person to try to convert any one from his or her conviction. I was selfish here, as bad words from any one are: karn katu:.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Point noted.

    The message has not gone to one home at least, as you can see just below.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    If you go by the censorship applied to posts by certain persons only here, you can, as an intelligent person, make your own assessment of what is relevant and why such posts are guillotined. You will then also know how the blog is being unfairly manipulated by a certain “moderator”.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    This moderator business is very obvious. let us not crib about it. instead of that let us see this as their defeat, Ranchhod das.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What is the big deal if Vijay claims himself to be neutral? Vinod Sharma does it all the time:)

    By the way, where is Ram Avtar? I have started to miss his conspiracy posts. Engrich, hope you are doing fine. This blog is colourful because of everyone, including you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No big deal, but neutrality is to be shown by calling a spade a spade and not run away or obfuscate when confronted with spades of a particular deck of cards and he always chosen to scoot or obfuscate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I think you are still carrying your anger from the day I said Hindus dont eat beef and Muslims dont eat pork. Well they are always exceptions… I still maintian 90% Hindus dont eat beef in India.

    I was making a general statement which you distorted by saying that I was trying to prove you were not a Hindu.

    Well… it is your life if you beleive that Beef can be sold to Hindus in India advertised openly…

    Anonymous Reply:

    “neutrality is to be shown by calling a spade a spade and not run away or obfuscate when confronted with spades of a particular deck of cards .”

    Point taken. Your words have been stored. Will not reply now, but hopefully in future.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ thanks Vinay

    Err… do you really think I am only as nuetral as Vinodji.. :)

    And as for Engrich, your words may just inspire him to drink three pints of jehadi viagra and fly here direct from the caves…

    Watch out now..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay and Manohar

    I am a nationalist. I supprt Congressmen like PV Rao, Sardar patel, Gandhi and Maulana Azad. who did NOT promote thier families to take over India and did not have swiss accounts.

    PV Rao may not have been so honest, but his scams were small… like taking commission from a achaar manufacturer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank God ! you did not say you are a federalist.

    Then you would have problem with selecting one from UP, Delhi and Haryana !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre try as you may… You wont be able to pin the weak centre federalism onto the BJP as it has always advocated a strong centre which the regional parties have objected to/

    Anonymous Reply:

    How can you post such vulgar photos? Are you not aware future of India also known as RahulG is still an infant mentally?

    By the way Gadkari is ugly and fat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If someone is happy in India with the news of Robert Vadra’s entry to politics, it must be Gadkari. Poor fellow, all the time people have been harassing him comparing his looks with Rahul. Now he has got a match:)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I feel sad for Priyanka Vadra..She is a beauty and this Vadra is a beast without brain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tukde toh hamare dil ke bhi hazaron ho gaye the’

    Anonymous Reply:

    इक दिल के टुकड़े हज़ार हुए
    इक दिल के टुकड़े हज़ार हुए
    कोई यहाँ गिरा कोई वहाँ गिरा
    कोई यहाँ गिरा कोई वहाँ गिरा
    बहते हुए आँसू रुक न सके
    बहते हुए आँसू रुक न सके
    कोई यहाँ गिरा …

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is certainly not Gadkari in the painting!

    Anyway I think physical beauty is rated too high as a quality. I have often met men and women… who look sexy and brains and behavior are… just garbage. Unfotunately we go too much by first appearences.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy,

    Your joke about Ambani has already become famous. I told this to both of my sons and now
    they are on their BB sending this to all their acquaintances.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As the Ambanis are famous any shit about them too becomes famous.

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  • Anonymous

    Seems India is a very rich country:

    Question to be asked.

    1)Did she or her family numbers achieve anything out of this?

    2) Is’nt the prize given for loyalty to the Royal family a bit too much?

    From NDTV

    New Delhi: President Pratibha Patil’s foreign travel has cost the public exchequer a whopping Rs. 205 crore on her foreign visits, surpassing the record of all her predecessors.

    Since assuming office as the country’s first woman President in July 2007, Patil has undertaken 12 foreign trips covering 22 countries across four continents. She has four more months to go for her five-year tenure and she is slated to make a trip to South Africa later this year.

    A series of RTI applications has revealed that Air India incurred over Rs. 169 crore on use of chartered aircraft, always a Boeing 747-400, on the foreign visits by Patil, mostly accompanied by her family members. A visit to Bhutan was covered by a smaller jet.

    A further sum of nearly Rs. 36 crore has been incurred by the Ministry of External Affairs on accommodation, local travel, daily allowance and “miscellaneous” expenses, according to the information provided by the ministry.

    Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/president-pratibha-patil-s-foreign-trips-cost-record-rs-205-cr-189822&cp

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    In general, there is nothing wrong in our President traveling in a chartered flight. However, it need not be and should not be in the largest (I am assuming 400 is the widely used commercial jetliner) Boeing..

    Pratibha Patil, or for that matter any president, should not take as many family members as he wants – may be Manohar’s supreme parliamentarians should put a restriction of 4. VV Giri was quite infamous for taking many in his entourage.

    And there has to be some requirements – such as the visit is a reciprocal visit, or to a country where we want better relations etc and not willy nelly. And hopefully connect two-three countries in one trip.. She does not have anything to do by rushing back.

    And as long as we have huge problems like Binoy Hegde article details, we should be a bit careful about unnecessary expenditures at a government level.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think there is an element of scratch my back involved. The Government at the centre needed a pliant president who would sign on the dotted line.

    Did any trade delegations go along?

    Did she address the Mexican parliament with only her own security men in presensce?

    Did the press get free passes on the plane as a service to the COngress?

    What benefit did it get to the poor in the New York Times article?

    Pratibah ji should answer all that … and then look at the poor especially those who earn less than Rs 22 a day and tell us why 9 CRORE PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN THIS RS 22/- instead of her pleasure trips.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Deve Gowda took his extended family 98 members in total when he visited some country in Africa. It was his last foreign visit as PM.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure all the 98 members would have increased trade with that country by buying personal goods..

    Anonymous Reply:

    All Chinese made duplicates. Of course Deve Gowda wouldn’t, for the life of his, know a Chinese duplicate from a Somalian one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you have stated what is desirable.

    V.V.Giri was notorious for so many other things, as were his family members.

    For a start, the media, under Justice Katju, should set a trend of sending only Justice Katju with his family in the President’s entourage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS
    Great suggestion! Let them send Justice Katju..
    As I mentioned before he (the justice) wants to be a modern Markandeya..(minus his wisdom)

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is like taking your father in law along, during your honey moon… !

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    You incorrigible boy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Take him along, but give him separate bed room.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Katju is more like nagging mother-in-law.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I will repeat. You come with a gem some. Oops most of the time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    After complaints from congress brigade, I have decided to balance all my comments against congress with BJP bashing.

    What was the need for Vajpayee to get fleet of BMWs for PM when ambassador cars were doing fine? Should we not criticize that?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I doont think it is a huge issue. The ambassador car is a bad ambassador of India. In case we have the world’s top people coming here, I think there is no harm in reciveing them in luxury to PROJECT THE NEW INDIA.

    The PM , unlike the President is the real ruler and not pperforming cermonial duties.

    The last memory I have of an ambassador was of driving my grandad’s dad’s car as a teenager.– the only think which did not make a sound was the horn.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    I will ignore your first para.

    Regarding the Government (in this case NDA) going for a fleet of BMWs or Mercedes cars has to be seen from the point of security too, as there one two many AK-47s/57s and human bombs floating around. Imagine a visiting head of state or government blown to pieces (God forbid) on our soil. So you need more state of the art and secure (bullet and bomb proof) vehicles and Ambassadors do not fit the bill. No need to take anyone to task for it. We need to stay one step ahead of crackpot assassins and terrorists.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Hip Hip Hurray;
    Manohar is communicating with Rajeev.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have nothing against him per se. I have taken a chance – if all goes well (after his last few posts) – then surely hip hip hurray, otherwise, it will be back to square one. The ball is surely in his court.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Credit goes to you. I was very acidic in my response..I’ll try to neutralize this acid with some alkali.
    FYI: I was very bad in chemistry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But you have mastered the formula for making patakis!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    If we mutually agree not to indulge in partisan tu-tu main main then I am game.
    Let us stick to the issues and not deflect it. Let me give you two primes examples from both the camps-
    1. When you talk of Modi, we talk of Rajiv Gandhi and vice versa. Let us stick to the original point whether it is Modi or Rajiv Gandhi.
    2. When we talk of Congress corruption, you talk Yeddy or Bangaru laxman..Let us just stick to the topic.

    I’ll try to follow my own advise.

    However I can and will never mend fences with fakes such as Ravi or Dhawan.

    You are not among them for me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    with all the fanfare, mediaware, software, hardware etc, her address to the Mexican parliament saw a “huge” crowd of enthusiastic MPs numbering six!

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~~ WHY I DID NOT BECOME THE BLOG MODERATER ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    Around an year back Vinod Sharma ji had made an offer to me to become the blog moderater.

    After some thought and some teptation, I had refrained.

    Why?

    I am a regular blog poster here and would be at odds of me becoming the postman and censor. I have my viewpoint which at times is at loggerheads with that of some of the people blogging here.

    It would have been wrong of me to become a moderater and then attempt to channelise the discussion along tracks which I liked. I think who-ever is the moderater here, should remember that blogging is fun as long as there is a freedom of expression. In case that is taken away and the discussion is souhgt to be channelised in a direction which reflects the moderater’s personel agenda, then it would be a waste.

    V C Shukla forgot that during the Emergency and the press crawled and lost its credibility.

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  • Anonymous

    An inspiring news article in today’s NY Times about a Sudanese boy who made it to Yale University against so many odds in his life —

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/opinion/kristof-from-south-sudan-to-yale.html?hp&gwh=77C515F2B28C19

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  • Anonymous

    Blogmates,
    Please suggest some ideas so that we can help poor kids like Durga (story posted by Binoy) or old people who are forced to beg on streets.

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    If an account can be set, where I can transfer some money directly? How to ensure that person managing that account will work towards the desired goal?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    There are three issues here-
    1. To choose honests person from this blog. These persons should be based in India.
    2. Protect the privacy of donor.
    3. Whose name account should be opened?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Shenoy Sahab’s name come automatically to mind. But he is hot tmpered as well, little provocation and he may fly… I fear him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy is a good choice as he is already doing some social work by giving school uniforms etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are funny :) but I think Manohar’s idea is also good.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji, Rajeev,

    I am tempted to cry foul. My wife considers me the coolest head in Bangalore. With good reason.

    My seemingly hot-headed responses are reserved only for anti-nationals and anti-Hindus some of whom infest this blog as well.

    I have spent a life time in dealing with the public in my bank with a record which gives me immense pride and satisfaction.

    As for service to humanity, I am already engaged in it in a small way. And those who have seen my work have been pressing me to enlarge the scope and scale.

    More about it I will be writing to you personally.

    Rajeev, please contact me at : glamour@eth.net

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    I know about you well, was trying to pull leg. You should spare people of your tongue lashing, they are Indians too and not enemy, just they have their own view point. We are not having a war, which is a fight to finish agenda. Anyway, I can not suggest anything to you as I respect you for your nationalist ideals.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Rajeev/Vijay,

    Shenoy is the right choice. I can vouch for him as I have met him. He is a thorough
    gentlement. He sounds very aggressive on this blog which IMO he is not.
    I am not sure Whether he can take out enough time from his busy schedule.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    One of the ways to get in touch with a genuine NGO.

    For children, you can check out the following Child Rights and You – CRY for short. Their website is

    http://www.cry.org/index.html

    AFAIK, they are really doing a very good job, but you should also make your own judgment.

    There are many others too.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar;
    yes, I believe CRY is the best institution. But it is too big organization with budgets in Crores. My humble contribution will not make any difference. But, if I do not get any other outlet, I will try them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will find some more and get back.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks manohar.
    you are a Gem.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Smile Foundation India

    http://smilefoundationindia.org/

    http://smilefoundationindia.org/contactus.htm

    2) Pratham

    http://www.pratham.org/

    AshishC Reply:

    May I suggest Parivaar?
    Set up by a IIM Calcutta alumnus, Vinayak Lohani, Parivaar concentrates on rehabilitating street children and children of prostitutes.
    http://www.parivaar.org

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Thanks. I have send them an email.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Ashish;
    parivar is another good option. I will visit that site.

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,

    “While praise is written on sand, insults are written in stone…”

    You did not justify. We need this one in thet hindi, with solid intonation.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sanjay;
    Thanks, I do not have this technology with me but anyway, your desire is a reward itself for me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Then we got to invite other bloggers for help.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    I understood your nude reference but it also reminded me of nude beach that visited in Oslo. I purposely took my then girl friend to that beach just to see expression on her face. It was priceless.
    There is nothing better than romance with no talk of marriage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    My girlfriend who is rading this has banned me from going to Oslo…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Luckily, Oslo doesn’t hold the monopoly for nudist camps.
    But go slow- …… there is danger on that road.

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  • Anonymous

    After govt. STAYED the hanging of terrorist Rajaona, I google KPS Gill and found that he was conferred Padamshri in 1989 but nothing after that. Is KPS Gill comparable to Saif Ali Khan?
    Why is govt. not giving him Padam Bhusan or Vibhushan?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yeh darpok government hai…

    Everyone wants to ensure he is physically safe. Suddenly the bleeding heart comes out.

    I was most upset about the the desire of Priyanka to ask for nalini’s pardon. Rajiv Gandhi was our PM, and not just her father. IS this the message we send to the terrorist that we are willing to spend 30 crores to keep you alive… and then pardon you one day as we are scared of taking a decison as your mates can cause violence?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    The govt. may or may not be Darpok but the way it takes decision in these matters sends wrong signals to separatists/terrorists.
    I am of the opinion that death penalty should be replaced with multiple life sentences (solitary confinement) running into hunderds of years with rigourous labor in unknown location.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes that is an option. However it may well prove very expensive as the need to guard terrorists like kasab and Guru is essential. Then as we have seen someday a Kandahar typ hostage cruses could be created and bargaining for release could well happen.

    I beleive better to kill a cockroach then feed it for life. however the primary duty of the state only lies in ensuring that the wrong person is not convicted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Feed the cockroach but kill it too.

    The courts should give capital punishment by slow poisoning. Lathi bhi bache, samp bhi marey.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Or bharat ratna.

    If MGR and rajiv Gandhi could get it… Gill surely deservs it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No, Saif is definitely not equal to KPSGill,because KPS may not get any more national awards, but Agent Vinod may get Padma Bhushan in the near future, possibly before elections to the MP assembly.

    KPS Gill deserves Bharat Ratna for the great national service he rendered by breaking the back bone of Sikh terror and saving the nation from a second partition. Much less deserving persons have been conferred Bharat Ratna awards for purely selfish reasons by the congress party. MG Ramachandran, C Subramaniam, Rajiv Gandhi to name a few.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy,
    Is this Akshaypatra yojna really works? I heard that it is pretty big in Bangalore.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Akshayapatra is indeed a great success story.

    The food is clean, fresh and also warm when served to the kids. It is run by the ISKON. Certain congress leaders tried to foist false cases of hoarding and black marketeering against the temple, but thankfully, the High court satisfied itself that the temple authorities are straight and what they “hoarded” was actually stocking of just adequate rice and grains for the proper running of the scheme.

    Interestingly, a less well known scheme is feeding the poor like daily wage earners, domestic servants, auto drivers, cart pullers etc by ISKON with help from NGOs.

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  • Anonymous

    I hope Manohar will debate with Mr.Shenoy on the topic rather than labeling him Sanghi and killing the debate. Just a friendly suggestion.

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  • Anonymous

    Thank god..now poor can at least kill themselves without fear. What an achievement!!!

    “Don’t punish a poor man for suicide bid: Court”
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Dont-punish-a-poor-man-for-suicide-bid-Court/articleshow/12461504.cms

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  • Anonymous

    Minor help locked up, starved as couple holidays

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Minor-help-locked-up-starved-as-couple-holidays/Article1-832781.aspx

    In a shocking tale of abuse and torture, a 13-year-old girl, working as domestic help, was rescued on Thursday evening from a flat in Dwarka where she was locked up for six days by a doctor couple who went on a holiday to Thailand.

    They reportedly left her food and water that lasted only two days. Police said the girl had not eaten anything for the past four days and has been screaming for help from the flat’s balcony.

    ——————–

    Are they fit to be doctors?

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Undeterred Pakistan knocks on Russia’s door

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article3258986.ece

    Undeterred by the U.S. threat of sanctions on the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline, Islamabad has decided to explore the Russian option to render financial services to the project after the state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) developed cold feet.

    ———–

    Either China has become a fair weather friend or must have wilted under US pressure. Now perhaps Pakistan will have to choose its friends carefully and mend fences too, for that it has to rid of the monsters in their own backyard.

    Some days ago, there was discussion on the blog regarding Pakistan buying petroleum products from India, where Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline was discussed too..

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    It is life experience.
    Pakistanis are Gali ke Gunde. period.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    My discomfort with situation, GOI versus Army is still not resolved. These politicos do not realise, what they are dealing with. Soldiers and Officers( My God, they have no idea) are not to be triffled with. Give them a wide berth.
    Bringing Pakistan and India at par with each other, has taken a funny summersault. We have lowered us to Pakistan level, in place of bringing them to our level.Army and Government doing tu tu main main, unthinkable.
    Lamhon ne khata ki, aur sadiyon ne saza payee.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Earlier today or was is yesterday you wrote

    Praise is written on sand and insults on stone

    and now this

    Lamhon na khatta ki aur sadiyon ne saza payee

    Bhai Saab aap itne din kahan chupe huve the

    Dil jeet liya.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan Bhai;
    We were always there. Humanity, which cries for justice and eqality.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Yes it is humanity which cries for justice. And I endorse your views on army.

    Pakistani’s are gali ke gunde.? I had earlier written here few months back about
    my boss a Pakistani when I used to work for a Dutch bank in eighties.
    A thorough gentlemen. Believe me, one of the best person I have ever met in my
    life. Last Eid, I spoke to him on phone – he is in Karachi now – his words were
    almost identical of what you have said for his country men . In fact he used more
    deregotary term. Nice gentlemen people in Pakistan are not at all happy about the
    situation there but are helpless to do anything about it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Pankaj

    Right from the Bofors and HDW scam time, the army has been played with. Somehow a signal has been given that corruption is okay for the politocs as they will do a “Bhag Quotorchchi bhaag,…

    The Indian armyis our pride. The Politicians first make mistakes as in Punjab (bluestar) Sri Lanka (LTTE) Kashmir and then sacrifice our soldiers.

    Kickbacks and comissions should not be allowed to spoil the culture of the services as they have done to the administration.

    By the way I loved your dialogue on insults…. would love to use your talents as a dialogue writer if and ever I get a chance to make films…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    you forgot Kashmir and China war.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    You keep the script ready I will introduce you to the people.
    I have brought myself to the situation that every time, I have to say, really, it is no joke.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is lot more happening in the background.

    1) India has emerged as a major / biggest arms importer.

    2) Every arm manufacturer worth its salt vying for a pie.

    3 ) Most of the companies are being by the respective Govt.

    4) Now, the fight is not amongst the companies, but amongst the countries. The fight is being fought with full Govt. resources ( diplomatic, spies, and media )

    5 ) Pre-emptying each other is the prime strategy. If lost, muddle the contract, create ant-contract media campaign.

    6) Recently Americans lost out on a major contract. remember Americans are nice till the time their interests are served. They can mobilse all possible resources against you if their interest is not served. It’s just not happening in defence, you can see the indicators in Nuclear reactor business as well.

    7) We have become a nation hungry for money. We have stopped value everything else when it comes to money. [ Visit Defexpo, see how bureaucrats drink to glory over the free lunch ( lunch room set up in most of large stalls ). it's so pathetic to see them going on drinking binge right in the middle of a working day !]

    8 ) This immoral longing has given rise to a class in the bureaucracy who can do anything for money, wine and … This class secures all the documents and passes on for a consideration even to the media.

    9 ) Suprisingly, today, more than the corrupt politicians, the corrupt bureaucracy has emerged as a big threat to the country.

    10 ) The slide starts with trivialisation of values, procedures and decorum. We lose the plot after a while, become desperate and start blaming each other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    India has become one of the major buyers of arms. This did not happen yesterday,
    in fact we are buying arms and spending huge amount of on this since many years. Iam
    surprised then why our Army General is complaining about the quality of the arms we have. He even further said that we do not have enough arms and ammunition for our
    defense. Where does all this money go ?

    Your last point IMO is crux of the problem. It has become our habit of trivializing the
    issues, values, procedures and all such matters. This chalta hai and ki pharak painda attitude should change.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There was a time when India did not have money for replacement of army vehicles. Today we buy state of the art arm equipments.

    Everybody knows India is on an economic boom period. So everybody is focussing on us.

    In this competitive situation, people do everything to outdo each other and don’t care if the host ( india ) is hurt in the process.

    I know how these foreign agencies groom their sources. They have 3-5 year plan just about grooming people who would reach a top / high level positions. They do it steadily and slowly compromising them with Gifts, booze, holidays and sex ( arrange both women and boys ) in wild parties. At one point of time Indians finally become their play mate.

    -

    Honestly i am bit disappointed with our present Army Chief. Without going into details I find it odd :

    1) Not taking immediate action on bribe situation if it was true. I believe there was a tape and he could depend on this tape.

    2) Allowing third parties have access to these tapes and leak to the public.

    3) Saying ” i was too stunned to react ”

    If my Army Chief gets stunned by a bribe offer and can’t react then how is going to react to Pakistan’s nuclear attack ? he is just not fit for the job !

    4) Instead of writing about the gap in the preparedness in the beginning of his term he wrote towards end of his term. Was he an outsider? Did he come on a deputation ? Did he not come through natural promotion? Was he not aware of the situation before ?

    5) Instead of crushing the maladministration, he cribbed like Team Anna members – ” Crores of rupees are being spent to malign me “. Is it worth a chief saying ?

    6) He took all the advantages of promotion with 1950 as YOB, but wanted to retire citing 1952 as YOB. I am yet to find rationale in it.

    He has definitely made Indian army a laughing stock.

    [ A favourite greeting exchange at DefExpo this year : " Got something for the chief?" ... Chief ke liye kuchh bachake rakha ya nehi ? ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay

    You happen to be at all the happening places, including the defence Expo. Poor me is eating shakarkandi from a thela with cement and sand being blown all around.

    I still feel the defence rot began after the HDW and Bofors scam unleshed a new culture of kickbacks and escape at the top… .

    Anonymous Reply:

    That shakarkandi has its own charm !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even if the army chief is “too stunned to act”he defence minister above him., there is the defence minister above him.
    But here the defence minister too was “too stunned to act” and sat with his head held in both his hands, in despair and taking leave of his senses.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sanjay;
    I am not talking specifics, I am talking about the role, an Army plays in the life of a nation. This disciplined force has few equals in the world and they have proved themselves, even though ill equipped and neglected, when given a free hand, they proved very effective. British governments resolve to fight axis, was heavily dependent on Indian Army. Anyway, I am digressing here.
    To prepare a disciplined Army, requires, tradition of hundreds of years, yes, you heard it right. Army is not only trained to kill, it consistently, does it only agains national enemies and protect nation, WITHOUT IFS AND BUTS.My many family members were in all three services, retiring after reaching senior positions. These soldiers are straight forward, quick to take decision and difficult to be placated, when wronged. I have some inkling, about preparing a soldier out of a raw recruit. This fine institution should be left alone.
    As a parting anecdote, I read long time back, recall single minded devotion of soldiers.
    A Gurkha Sepoy, stationed at a sentry post at some Naval dockyard, Asked on loudspeaker, to the mighty war ship. Halt, who goes there and raised his rifle. Imagine the situation, Single soldier, ( those who have not seen a Warship, will find it difficult to imagine. I was onboard Vikrant, and that was also not mightiest of them), Captain was advised to answer, as this is a soldier from Indian Army and will fire for sure, if no answer comesforth. That is how legends are made, please do not throwaway this treasure.

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  • Anonymous

    A 70 year man asks his wife ‘ do you feel sad when I run after young girls ‘
    Wife ‘ no, even dogs run after cars which the cannot drive ‘

    A man and a woman met at a party and one thing lead to another, they went to
    hotel and made love. In the morning, girl asked him ‘ are you a dentist ‘
    Man surprised ‘ how did you know ‘
    Woman ‘ I did not feel any thing ‘

    Good night guys.

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  • Anonymous

    HINDU GIRL TELLS PAKISTANI COURT THAT SHE’D RATHER DIE THAN CONVERT TO ISLAM…….

    http://tundratabloids.com/2012/03/hindu-girl-tells-pakistani-court-that-shed-rather-die-than-convert-to-islam.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Any practical solution ? Any suggestion how to deal with the situation ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay ji,

    honestly, no solution, except throwing open our gates to people who want to take refuge in India.

    The two governments can have a treaty to facilitate such emigrations/asylums.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Sanjay,

    Media has to keep on shouting non stop from the roof top. Whole world should
    be made aware and Pakistan should be shamed on every occasion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    yes, that too. And it will prove to be effective.

    I think we can also explore the possibility of exchanging Pakistani criminals in our jails like Kasab, Jilani(?) etc each for a thousand Hindus who have proven record of harrasment and threat or force of conversion..

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can think of a lot of export material from India. Gilani… Digviash SIngh… Antulay… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think that is the way. We can surely accomodate a few lakhs genuine tortured human beings…having taken in 2 crores from bangladesh.

    In Jammu and Kashmir, Paksitanis can come and settle legally. SO why not the genuine sufferers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay/Shenoy/Sanjay,

    It is happening. Many non muslim families are leaving and are settling outside Pakistan.
    Getting Indian citizenship for a Pakistani Hindu is not as easy as it was in fifties and
    sixties that is why many are migrating to other countries. If Indian govetnment eases this policy we may witness huge influx from Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Before we actually throw upon our gates, trust me, the forced conversion in Pakistan will accelerate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually you have a part solution.

    Give people another chance to migrate all over again. But then we will have huge number of muslims coming to India because of our liberal society and economic situation. I am not sure if that would be a desirable situation.

    Perhaps, we can have an agreement wherein Hindus can migrate to India and muslims ( whoever wants to ) to Pakistan.

    Giving people another chance to settle down in their preferred country.

    If this sounds feasible idea, then bloggers can create opinion through internet and even have UN mandated exchange of citizens.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think this is a good idea

    Ravi Reply:

    Sanjay

    Can we not invent a gate that allows Muslims from India to go and settle in Pakistan before Pakistani Hindus are allowed in here.

    My feeling is that a decade of Muslim Free India will defuse the enthusiasm of those Hindus who show sham concerns for their coreligionists in Pakistan.

    I base my assertion upon watching the way they treat other poor Hindus that are already in India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well that’s another story.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Perhaps, we can have an agreement wherein Hindus can migrate to India and muslims ( whoever wants to ) to Pakistan”.

    Not at all acceptable as far as India is concerned, our very essence of our pluralistic society will be destroyed, not sure about Pakistan.

    How many of the poor (from either side) can afford to migrate or would be willing to do so, not sure what awaits them.

    The well-to-do would rather stay put or look for greener pastures elsewhere and not across the border.

    Those who wish to migrate can always use the standard procedures and channels, I am sure they are in place.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I understand your point of view.

    In my school, a friend had told me that Pakistan was his country and finally would settle there once he had some money. I am not sure if he finally went to pakistan or not.

    But I am sure there would be many who would like to migrate to Pakistan because they have their relatives there.

    Ravi Reply:

    Sanjay

    However, such people are in a tiny tiny minority.

    Most Indian Muslims in India are far from Pakistan and this includes those who chose to stay in Delhi and UP.

    I firmly believe that – apart from some radicalized idiots – Indian Muslims are very different from Pakistani Muslims.

    It is our friends from the Sangh who wish to create similarity as well as affinity between the two groups as a part of their continuous OTHERING process.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not talking about the whole community. Still there are individuals. Allow them to migrate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No one has stopped anyone to migrate to Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even If such an outlandish exchange is put in practice, it would be surely one-to-one. So maximum number of people who will cross would be 1.5 million in each direction, as there are about 1.5 million Hindus in Pakistan. To me it looks like a religious cleansing, IMO, just not done as far a India is concerned.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay Sir,

    you seem to be comfortable with the negative stand still policy.

    Exchange of population is an eminently feasible solution, if properly executed.
    And it cannot be done in one year or two years. It should be done in a phased programme spread over 10 years.

    Meanwhile Pakistan can be broken into small countries and some kind of solution to the self-destructive Islamic fundamentalist terror can be found.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One must see all possible angles / issues. Then only one can come up with some real solution.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One must see all possible angles / issues. Then only one can come up with some real solution.

    Ravi Reply:

    दिल के खुश रखने को ग़ालिब यह ख्याल अच्छा है

  • Anonymous

    One more scam. These figures keep on increasing. Don’t know when this will stop.
    Or will it stop?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Y-S-Rajasekhara-Reddys-land-doles-cost-Andhra-Rs-1-lakh-crore-CAG/articleshow/12462676.cms

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  • Anonymous

    Pak Dy Attorney Gen Pays Obeisance at Golden Temple

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=757548

    The deputy Attorney General of Pakistan Muhammad Khurshid Khan today paid obeisance at the Golden Temple here, and said he “wished long life” for Sarbjit Singh, who is on death row in Pakistan.

    Khan said that Sarbjit’s repatriation to India would lead to betterment in relation between the two countries.

    —————–

    Shining example

    http://www.dawn.com/2012/03/29/shining-example.html

    KHURSHID Khan is a Peshawar-based lawyer known for the emotional shows usually associated with PPP jiyalas. When, a couple of years ago, he decided to do community service at gurdwaras in Pakistan as penance for excesses against minorities in the country, his story was instantly picked up by the local media. Pictures were flashed of him cleaning shoes at Sikh temples as a mark of solidarity with the minorities after a Pakistani Sikh was kidnapped and killed. He earned considerable prominence then but it was nothing in comparison to the international fame which has now come his way during his visit to India as part of a lawyers’ delegation. Mr Khan has found time from legal debates to pursue his case for the minorities in his homeland. He continues with his simple community service — cleaning shoes — at gurdwaras in India.

    This is not a superficial story. There are nuances which polish it for good, positive effect. Not only is Mr Khan a Pakistani who has been conveying to the media the essential message of ‘we are not terrorists’, his current position as a deputy attorney general in Pakistan and his origins also help. The message does take a stronger tone coming as it does from a senior Pakistani official who happens to hail from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which is stereotyped as a nursery for extremists. There would be sceptics who would laugh it off or dub it as drama aimed at gaining some cheap publicity. There would be the usual advisers with half a dozen suggestions about what else could be done to truly reassure and help the minorities here. However, no one can underestimate the power of the image this lawyer has managed to relay. It is an example of a desire for harmony and Khurshid Khan does come out shining.

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  • Anonymous

    Chandigarh court orders execution of Balwant Singh on Saturday.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~CAN WE TRUST THEM ?????? osama was having good fun…and using his libido..
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    America may have blown 50 billion dollars and lost 3000 men… but its deep gr8 wife–Pakistan– was cheating all the time. Imagine Soama lived in various houses and was travelling like a 5 star tourist in Pakistan… and relaxed enough to pracice kamasutra and produce FOUR CHILDREN— while the world searcehd for him in Tora Bora, where other people were hiding !

    read this gr8 story in HT
    ——————————-

    In one of the most detailed accounts of Osama bin Laden’s life on the run, his youngest wife has told Pakistani investigators that the Al-Qaeda leader lived in five safe houses as he travelled across Pakistan with his family for nine years following the 9/11 attacks. The detailed account of bin Laden’s life on the run has been given by his 30-year-old wife Amal Ahmad Abdul Fateh, and is contained in a police report dated January 19.

    Bin Laden was 54 years old when he was killed last year by US Navy SEAL commandos in Pakistan’s Abbottabad. According to the report, Fateh said she agreed to marry bin Laden in 2000 because “she had a desire of marrying a mujahid.”

    In July 2000, she came to Karachi and months later crossed into Afghanistan to join her husband and his two other wives at his base on a farm outside Kandahar.

    “The September 11 attacks caused the Bin Laden family to scatter,” the New York Times reported. Fateh returned to Karachi with her newborn daughter Safia and stayed there for about nine months during which she shifted between seven houses arranged by “some Pakistani family” and bin Laden’s elder son, Saad.

    She then left Karachi in the second half of 2002 for Peshawar, where she was reunited with her husband. At that time, the American pursuit of bin Laden was running high since Qaeda operatives had attacked an Israeli-owned hotel in Kenya and nightclubs in Indonesia.

    The search was firmly focused on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border area. Fateh told investigators that Bin Laden took his family deep into rural mountain areas of northwest Pakistan and not into the tribal belt where much of the Western attention was focused.

    They first stayed in the Shangla district in Swat, about 80 miles northwest of Islamabad, living in two different houses for eight to nine months.

    In 2003 they moved to Haripur, a small town closer to Islamabad, where they stayed in a rented house for two years. It was in Haripur that Fateh gave birth to a girl, Aasia, in 2003 and a boy, Ibrahim, in 2004 — both of whom were delivered in a local government hospital.

    The police report states that Fateh “stayed in hospital for a very short time of about 2-3 hours” on each occasion while a separate document states that she gave fake identity papers to hospital staff, the New York Times report said.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is extremely difficult to believe that Pakistan could pull the wool over US eyes for a decade and get away with it. For much lesser-in fact trivial-reason, the US went to war with Iraq.

    From that point of view, this war on terror and the partnership therefor is a huge sham. Unfortunately, the American people are basically apolitical, ignorant and unquestioning in their beliefs and faith in their leaders. As long as they are made to believe that the US is on top of the world, they acquiesce in the actions of the leadership.

    Contrast this with the faith and belief, later proved to be based on facts and experience, of the Pakistani people in their leadership.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    From one viewpoint the American hunt and war was justified. unlike India, who cnnot do anything about Hafeez saeed and has to pu up with Paksitani lies that Dawood does not exist, Americans went straight at osama, after 9/11.

    They were fools to fall for the Pakistani lies that Pakistan was their partner against terrorists.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Be a super power and then hunt down anybody you like.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well if we wait to become a superpower we may need to wait till eternity.

    Our Pakistani desk was heavily influenced by Mani Aiyar type of peacenik jokers and we lost the plot in the 80’s and Gen Zia’s unfriendly hand was visble in Punjab and then even after he died, Benazir started mission Kashmir.

    RAW was fairly active during PV Rao’s tenure and had Pakistanis by the balls in 1993- 1995. Innocent idiot IK Gujral surrenedred this advantage in the name of Jhelum diplomacy, much like Morarji had done to Gen Zia in 1979.

    The high point now remains Jaswant Singh’s tenure where he changed the US track and got Isreal to back India… which now is being surrendered by wigwalla innocent SM Krishana…

    Ravi Reply:

    Vajpayee’s record is missing from this. I wonder what did he do?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vajpayee’s was a genuine attempt to rebuild fences.. with an equally friendly Nawz Sharif. however it failed as the army, ISI and Musharraf were determined to attack the parliament and create Kargil.

    The fact remains that brainwashing in the Jehadi schools of Pakistan is too deep and hatred against “Hindu and secular” India too ingrained for any meaningfull change to happen.

    their first line of attack is first attacking all non wahabbi and non Muslims as Kafirs and calling Hindus as exploiters of Dalits and Muslims through rape and money lending.

    We need to understand that this psycholgy has been driven deep into their soul so that the hatred for India and HInus especially manifests from deep inside in various forms.

    Ravi Reply:

    Anti Hindu psychology among certain types of right wing Muslims, pre-dates the creation of Pakistan.

    You seem to be quick in identifying the issues but spectacularly lax when it comes to solutions.

    If there are any solutions – tried by the Congress led government – you dismiss them as capitulation and any tried by the Jan Sangh is genuine fence mending. Ha Ha.

    Such neutrality is admirable – at least for a nano second – before “hang on a cotton picking second” exclamation effortlessly comes to mind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    there is a difference if you can spot it. It requires seeing micro and not getting lost in your preconcievedd notions. Your prejudice is just so apparent which ruins any meaningfull input and gets everything to a single track of Hindu India developing an anti muslim pill, much like what the ISI uses to train kasab and clones.

    IK Gujral surrendered without getting the Pakistanis to surrender their assets.

    Morarji Desai surrendered his spies taken in by the glib charm of smiling cobra Gen Zia who then sent his army of terrorists to India.

    Mani Shankar never had the hang of foreign policy and thought that socialising in Islamabad and cracking Zia jokes will
    make ISI’s heart melt.

    Moraji was no congressman. Like I said I was nuetral, but maybe you will not understand things from a nationalistic perspective.

    Ravi Reply:

    Rant

    Anonymous Reply:

    you are back to your familiar jihadi ways of anti-Hindu venom spewing.

    The long lay off in Tora Bora has obviously not helped your disturbed mind to settle.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As a Pakistani, you should ask any fellow Pakistani or even the semi terrorist Hurriyati, and they will tell you what Vajapayee did as foreign minister and as PM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well they presented the secretly recorded tape of Pervez at the time of kargil war and stupidly blew the source that RAW had so painstakingly built over the years.

    Dumb and incompetent politicians.

    Ravi Reply:

    I don’t think Vijay would have mentioned that.

    After all he is a neutral among trolls.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Neutral’ indeed.

  • Anonymous

    Some movement forward

    ———–

    Lok Sabha clears judicial accountability bill

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lok-Sabha-clears-judicial-accountability-bill/articleshow/12462057.cms

    The Lok Sabha on Thursday cleared the judicial accountability legislation that seeks to set up a credible mechanism to probe complaints of misbehaviour by judges.

    The Judicial Standards and Accountability Bill, 2010, and Constitutional 114th Amendment Bill, 2010, will help setting new probity standards in higher judiciary.

    ————

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj wrote

    ‘Praise is written on sand and insults on stone’.

    I am confused, will someone throw some more light.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let this abuser clarify this. Sands can be washed away. Etched in stone remains permanent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Anything written on sand does not remain for long and on stone it stays for ever.
    Good deeds done by people are forgotten but anything wrong done by them is remembered and discussed forever.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Or, the person himself forgets the praises easily, but rarely the insults.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A normal human behavior.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay & Mohan

    Perhaps that is what Pankaj meant, but I am not very sure. Let us wait for the man himself to explain as to what exactly he means.

  • Ravi

    Mr Shenoy

    Is there a difference between anti National and anti Hindu. For you both are the same.

    THAT IS THE NUB OF THE PROBLEM.

    HINDUISM, FOR THAT MATTER ALL OTHER RELIGIONS TOO, IS NOT ABOVE CRITICISM, but you think it is.

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    Anonymous Reply:

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    Ravi Reply:

    What did you say about your temper??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    it is cool as a cucumber.

    Anonymous Reply:

    what did you say about your walrus moustache?

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    Ravi Reply:

    It is magnificent

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a huge difference. Only, you don’t see it.

    There are people like Digvinash Singh, who are Hindus, but are supporting terrorists, which makes them anti-national.

    There are many others, who spew venom against Hindus with the intent of creating discord and enmity among sections of Hindus. These people rightly belong to the group called anti-Hindu.

    Hinduism is most open to criticism from well meaning critics, who are not driven by hatred. Islam, unfortunately, is least so.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am afraid.

    The one person here who does not see it is YOU.

    You define India from the writings of Shalwarpehankar and Golimarkar.

    I define India in terms of its existing constitution.

    Those that are CLEARLY anti Hindu can be easily recognized. You on the other hand call any one who challenges your personal hegemony over this blog as anti-Hindu.

    To you Wendy/Romila Thappar/ and many other eminent historians are anti National because they do not subscribe to the Sangh definition of both Hinduism and India (Bharat).

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  • Anonymous

    About this hapless situation of Hindus in Pakistan. Some of us were discussing
    whether they should be allowed in India. A thought is niggling me since this morning,
    let me put that down before going for my Friday weekly rummy session.

    It is ok to discuss allowing them in India on a blog but will we actually
    welcome them with open arms ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    That is also the question I asked else where.

    For answer look at how well we are able to look after our existing poor.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eventually people, when they migrate find their own way out. My Grandparents struggled here when they were thrown out from Sialkot.

    They thought it was better then being forcibly converted.

    India has changed since then. This time when people come here, they will get some money to make a start. The poore wont be worse of then wat they are in Pakistan.

    Free conversion of currency should be allowed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    A very valid, timely question.

    But for answers, you have to look into pages of history.

    Jews, Zoroastrians, Christians, Arabs, all cam as refugees and were settled peacefully in India. Why can’t India think on similar plans of resettlement?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, i know for sure some of the neighbours would definitely taunt them : “Saale ab tak Pakistan mein kya kar rahe the?….”

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ WENDY DONIGER THE BIG JOKE BOOK !! HA HAHHAAA !!!! ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    When a white woman says you are a dwarf of size 3′3″, would you actually become one, just because a white woman said that??

    I am actually 5ft 8.7777777 inches. The last 0.77777 inches is very important as I think that is what I achieved by hanging down from trees for hours, attempting to be taller… But I will never never believe I am 3′3″ just because a white illiterate says so.

    Unfortunately there are some jokers who are ready to believe everything which Wendy DOniger said, because she is American and white and speaks English.

    Now this is what Doniger says in a book on Islam and violence.

    “The mouth of a woman dressed in a black burqa looks like a vagina… all the minarets in buildings are penises….”

    I think it is a bad statement which reflects Wendy’s own sexual state of mind. This is no scholorship… just a joke.

    But Ravi here thinks she is God and correct. I wonder what Engrich thinks of Wendy…

    Maybe that has created fantasies of rape in him.

    One of the highpoints of my low life ( :) :) life has been working on a project with the finest psychiatrists and pscyhologists of Inda.

    Their general opinion is that Freudian psychoanalysis with its rambling fantasies of Greek mythology ( oedipus complex) are TIOTALLY dead. Though we can still credit Freud for discovering psycholgy which has evolved in the direction his contemperory Jung took.

    So we can only read Wendy DOnger for entertainment…. and an idiot can build a rape thesis around her… :) :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    To suggest that people who accept some – not all – of Wendy Doniger’s explanations about our history are doing so because she is white American are indulging in their own personal racism.

    Besides being a White American Woman (all of which she had no input in) she is a double doctorate in Sanskrit from Harvard and Oxford (which are her personal achievements). This does not mean all she says is true and beyond argument, but it does say that she is presenting her perspective from an academic and knowledgeable POV.

    Here is a rare comment made by her. Those who are not easily intimidated by alternative narratives must read this.

    I have followed with great interest the conversation between Conrad Barwa and Qalandar on this website, and the first thing I want to say is how grateful I am for the reasoned, intelligent tone of both sets of comments. It is an enormous relief to be able to eavesdrop on a real argument instead of the mindless attacks to which I am so often subjected. And several of the comments on the Chapati Mystery blog have made me want to get into the conversation too.
    I would particularly like to comment on the argument that the cases I cite, of concern for and sympathy with the lower castes, are just a few rare instances, not characteristic of Hinduism as a whole. This is indeed true, and, yes, I did fish them out, the way people who do not just want to say that all the Germans were Nazis fished out people like Schindler and the other “righteous Christians” who were heroes; the fact remains that many Germans, perhaps even most Germans, were Nazis. So too, without apologizing for Hindu attitudes to women and the lower castes, I wanted to lift up a few counter-instances to show that you cannot simply condemn Hinduism outright, as so many Americans want to do, for the cases that always hit the newspapers, of atrocities to Dalits and women. The balance here becomes clearer if you read the whole book, which does set these liberal, hopeful instances against the backdrop of heavy prejudice against women and Dalits. Indeed, what makes the counter cases so heroic is precisely that they are fighting against a powerful culture of oppression.
    I try to read the Mahabharata story of Ekalavya as one of very mixed feelings, justifying the caste system even while it raises serious questions about its justice. And, yes, the Dalits today have a problem with Eklavya, and that is in the book, in another chapter, that shows how Dalits in recent years have still used Eklavya but in another way, to say, No, I would not have given them my thumb! So that balance, too, would be more apparent if you read the whole book. There’s a limit to what you can do in 1,000 words; the damn book is 779 pages long!
    A few small points: 

    I take the dog-Dalit metaphor not from the tales of Ekalavya or Yudhishthira but from other texts, such as a story in the Mahabharata [12.115-119] in which a dog wants to be more than a dog and is transformed into a lion and becomes horrible and has to be turned back into a dog. Other stories too. But then I try to read them back into stories in which it is less obvious that they stand for Dalits, but I think they do. I’m not sure they do, but I think they do; I think it’s a fair possible reading.
    As for Witzel’s criticisms of my Sanskrit translations, I think it stems from his misunderstanding of the sorts of liberties I took for the Penguin Classic translation of the Rig Veda, where I couldn’t use a lot of footnotes and so had to smooth out a lot of lines in ways that did in fact take me farther from the literal meanings of the words than I would have allowed myself to go were I trying to produce the sort of academic translations that Witzel is looking for. But that really has nothing to do with the issues here. Nor does the criticism that I only translate the ordinary Sanskrit texts that everyone else translates. I wrote a whole (if small) book about the Jaiminiya Brahmana, a much ignored text, and both the Shiva book and the Evil book cite lots of obscure Puranas that have never been translated (or hadn’t been in the 70’s, when I wrote those books). But of course I work on the central texts that other people work on too.
    As for the old criticism that I write about sex, look at my CV sometime. I’ve written about 30 books altogether, and about 5 of them deal with sexual issues.

    Draupadi ah yes, I’d love to talk about Draupadi. There is a LOT about Draupadi in the book. But really you have to read the book . . .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    nahi sach ka saamna !! Wendy has called u a dwarf and you beleive her ! :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    And you called me a ****

    I believe her over Shalwarpehnkar and Golimarkar

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tora bora se aaya mera dost
    Dost ko salaam karo

    Raat ko jehad pado
    Din ko aaram karo :) :)

    Ravi Reply:

    You have resorted to abuse, a clear sign that you have lost the argument

    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not abuse.

    i was singing a folk song !

    By the way u started calloing me ranty… when you could not do a sach ka saamna…

    Ravi Reply:

    Pull the other one, it has short and curly around it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wendy’s can only be a viewpoint and not the truth. How can anybody tell the truth about you? Her knowldege of Sanskrit is laudetry but it does not overule the knowledge of India my school Sanskrit teacher, a Mr Yadav had.

    Peter Brooks mahabarata was unfulfilling to me… and probably good to the eyes of the europeans.

    Conrad Rooks Siddhartha was good for Simi’s show… but pretty single lined as far as I am concerned. Hesse’s book was better.

    What was the status of women all over the world before 140. Was it so different frm that of India?

    How does the fuedal familes of Europe and Mideast interact with non royals before democacy came in.

    thes are issues you should ponder before you develop an inferiority complex and start thinking that I am this… becasue Wendy Doniger said so.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Every one else’s contribution is also a view point and not the TRUTH

    Ranty

  • Anonymous

    Wendy Doniger is a waste..

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am sure she will appreciate that. I think Shalwarpehankar and Golimarkar are a total waste of time

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tora bora se aaya mera dost
    Dost ko salam karo

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    It is time to let Ravi go. It is an established fact on this blog that Ravi hates hindus with passion invoking identical response from us.
    His lies has been caught on lot of occasions but every time he was bailed out by large hearted Indian HINDUS.
    I am convinced about my opinion of him. He is a hindu-hating muslim or whatever. I’m going to keep ignoring his bile till the time it becomes unbearable. Let us reduce him to status of Engrich his fellow hatemonger.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I need to study his brain. And quite honestly I need a character for a book I am writing who is a jehaid ideologue. I wish him well… but still need his motivations to study.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cover your nose when you study his brain.
    Good luck with this research. I’ll available on the sidelines to give you my humble opinion on his hate-filled brain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely waste. An inabilty to understand that religion cannot be just one text book. It can be a continous way of life.

    Where different strands of thought intermingle…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    just a historical perspective. What way do you see religion goping from here?

    We know that jehadis became stronger using religions as a tool and will soon lay thier hands on nukes? Will they use them over us, the peacelovers, thinking that they are going to jannat and joining Osama for lunch there?

    Or will religion finally evolve — to go beyond the texts it is bound by?

    Would lover to have your view.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why are most of the so-called Indologists either marxists or from west?

    Where are non-marxist RATIONAL Indian historians? We definitely don’t want RSS sponsored historian who use imagination rather than facts and science to record historical facts.

    It is time India did its own historical recording.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev and Gopi

    Gopi, pick up your pen and write a dispassionate history book.

    I have a few contacts in publishing and will try to help you out.

    HT will become our source of reviews and publicity.

    rajeev is right. We need dispassionate historians who go back 6000 years without getting leftist, sentimentalist or mythical.

    Your writing style is honestly more interesting than many of the historians I have read.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am a student of history but not a historian.

    What we need is that sidelined neutral historian take the center stage, properly funded by govt.
    Whatever these historian write should be backed up by solid evidences (literature, archeological, from foreign source etc.)

  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is not a country, it is a convenience store for its civilian and military and religious leaders. In their rush to “modernity”, their text books do not refer to partition, and ever since Zia’s time, there has been this push to link with a non-existent Arab heritage, so much that, many families there proudly construct their lineage to the prophet –that my great——-father gave water to the prophet while he was thirsty, etc…

    The good news this time is that the conversion is not state sponsored, and there is a facade of due process with their Supreme Court involved. The chief justice has been trying to carve out an independent power base, and he may rule out against this. But the man who is spearheading the conversion is a powerful local leader, and like any powerful person in a pre-feudalistic society, he and people like him will continue unabated with snatching more Hindu women.

    India can open the visa process to let Hindus who want to return. Nepal has a golden opportunity to reclassify itself as a Hindu nation, proclaim it as a place for persecuted Hindus to return to a k a Israel, get funding from the rich NRIs like Mittals as well as other willing parties — USA still underwrites Israel…..So, Nepal has an opportunity to transform as a rich country.

    Pakistan will be a permanent irritant with or without the conversion issue. Deceit is in its roots, double games in its veins, and destruction in its head. It is populated by a sizable group of zealots who are looking towards a life in the sky or heaven … so the promise of development etc is a zilch ..unless you can promise development in heaven

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Nepal has a golden opportunity to reclassify itself as a Hindu nation”

    Why would it want to do that? When it was indeed a Hindu nation, nothing of the funding as suggested by you came its ways.

    ——–

    “get funding from the rich NRIs like Mittals as well as other willing parties”

    That presupposes that all (rich) NRIs/PIOs are members of Overseas Friends of the BJP and would willingly shell out dough to carve out and sustain only Hindu enclaves, areas and countries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is this your nuetrality speaking? When you said that only 1.5 million will be saved from forced conversion in case they are allowed into India.

    In my eyes even one human life is important. 1.5 million is not just a statistic. It is people who are being hounded in this Jehadi battle of the womb

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    I too don’t agree with 1.5 million people exchange but for a different reason.

    Pakistan has approx. 2.5% hindus whereas India has 17% muslims.

    There are two solutions-
    1. Pakistan admits hindus from India so that hindu % in pakistan reaches to 17%. This is highly unlikely because pakistani muslims won’t allow it and Indian hindus will dismiss this idea even before it is put on table.

    2. Pakistan admits muslims from India so that muslim population in INDIA drops to 2.5% comparable to % population of hindus in Pakistan.

    Second solution is possible but to make it work we have to put kashmir valley carrot to pakiistan.

    I know in my heart that both the options proposed by me are unworkable and can never be implemented except that there is repeat of 1947 riots which nobody wants.

    So it is time we diplomatically push other countries especially US and China to push pakistan on minority rights issue.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am aganst Indian Muslims going to Pakistan. This their land. They have to lve and die here. They have to make this a jannat and prevent it from becoming a jahunnam. They have to fight for Hindus of India and get hindus to fight for their welfare.

    I was just thinking of saving Hindus in Pakistan from the battle of the womb. So in case anyone wants to come here, let them in.

    In case any Indian– Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, jain, Buddhist, Christian wants to go to Pakistan in return, he should be allowed to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about Indian muslims who hate hindus? We should give them the opportunity to live in the land of pure also called fort of islam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I said people who hate India should be allowed to go to Pakistan if they want. This includes Hindus like Digvinash Singh and Muslims like Antulay– if they want to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a very secular solution ;)

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have this habit of picking things out of context and
    give your own interpretation. Given my age I do not have the patience to interact. Sorry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Neither do I. You only come in to put in a sarcastic word when I am interacting with someone. But go back and read what you said about 1.5 millions crossing over.

    In 1947 when my grqandad was forced to cross over, there would certainly be people objecting to this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nepal, under a smart political leader, could package and position as a “settlement” for Hindus from persecuted countries. Just a thought.
    India taking them will create huge issue in Tamil Nadu because we stood by the murder and elimination of Hindus in Sri Lanka – that we did not to anything while people were murdered, why an eagerness when life and property are not touched..

    I would have recommended a takeover of Sindh (we still sing “punjab, Sindh, ………….Utkal…….) had that joke of a country did not have atomic weapons.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So do you think Hindus in Sri Lanka are/were PERSECUTED if so then by people of which RELIGION.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    1) Mass migration in the 21st century is out of the question.

    People who have lived for generations in a given area are always reluctant to move out.- the attachment of one’s land is next only to the family. That is why the vast majority of Muslims (including those whose ancestors were from areas that became part of Pakistan) chose to remain in India and not go across in 1947.

    2) As Rajeev has correctly pointed out, Nepal does not have abundance of natural resources to sustain higher numbers of people.

    3) So many groups (ethnic or religious) groups face discrimination and persecution all over the world. Take Pakistan for example – Muslims (Shias, Ahmediyas, etc.) are the targets too. Where should they migrate and how many countries are willing to accept an exodus of people? None to my mind.

    The solutions are to make the countries more democratic and more humane. How? The debate is open.

    4) Yes, some fanatic did try to force via the courts to change our anthem by replacing the word ’sindh’. He was told to go take a walk.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    Why should Nepal become Israel for Hindus? It is a small nation with limited resources and on to of that its hinduness is more internal.

    It is India who should speak up for hindus all over the world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi and rajeev

    It will be fashionable in India to ignore the voice of the lonesome Hindu women being kidnapped and foricbly converted as this would immediiately get trolls to shout out “rape rape BJP BJP”

    As you notice Manohar as already identified saving Hindu woman as a BJP cause and tried to create paronia about Hindu only enclaves. Ravi on the other hand is equating saving HIndus with expelling Muslims, even when there was no talk of that nature.

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    Ravi Reply:

    And you are talking about Wendy writing about dwarf studs

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am critical of Wendy as she makes fun of Burqa clad women saying that their mouths are like vaginas inviting rape.

    This is a serious insult to Islam and we in secular India should not tolerate it.

    I am sure you appreciate Wendy’s thesis which I think is bull- shit . t I feel we should not hurt the feelings of Muslims.

    Ravi Reply:

    There is always truth in what you say.

    Sadly it is in homeopathic proportions.

    You have not read Wendy’s work. Come to think of it you read sod all.

    But you knee jerk just like all other Hindu Fundos like you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please read pg 68 of “Off with her head. The denial of women’s identity.”

    by Wendy Doniger

    Then talk facts and not just Dalit rap and rape and Modi modi.

    Ravi Reply:

    Why do’nt you reproduce it here.

    Why is it that A L L the hate mail and egg throwing on Wendy is done by HINDUs and not Muslims.

    They are not shy, ask Salman Rushdie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    so you believe you are a dwarf just becasue wendy said it.

    I am sure you still believe that kids are born from blood and the sun goes arorunf the earth and the world is flat… and of course jews created 9/11

    Wah wah !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    And only intelligent, well read and witty people like Mohan Bhagwat, and fake Ravi sport walrus mustaches on their upper lip.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think in psychoalaysiswe can call it inculcated self hatred. First you develop a certain physical image of yourself. Then make fun of everyone who has a similar look.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Muslims got the cue to haunt Salman after Rajiv Gandhi banned his books.

    nobody read Wendy… otherwise she would have complained of female circumcison

    Ravi Reply:

    Just finished reading Page 68 of “Off with her head”.

    It says absolutely nothing of the kind as you selectively and sensationally suggest. She is talking about “awra, Fitna and Zina. It is serious discussion about Hijab and from it all you were able to pick up is Vagina. Even that she quotes from Eiltberg Schwatz.

    This is typical of you, pick up sensational elements out of their context that support your rancid unsustainable anti academic views and then laugh.

    Those of you who wish to read it, here is a link.

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Nkac7lveToEC&pg=PA63&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Anonymous Reply:

    all you pick up is ideas from wahabbi fundoos on how to capture wombs.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic rant of a looser.

    Anonymous Reply:

    your wit has acid in industrial proportions.

  • Anonymous

    Shenoy,
    I just want to give my opinion on some people who praised Modi and paid for it.

    Amitabh bachchan – He is an opportunist. His range is from Mulayam to Rajiv Gandhi to Modi. Contrary to his filmi image, this guy believe in non-confrontation and gives in easily for self preservation. He did same with Raj Thug-rey.

    Sheila Dixit – She was rightly punished. How can a congress worker praise anyone other than member of nehru-gandhi family? Jokes aside, I think she was in awe of Modi’s work and her tongue slipped.

    Anna Hazare – Frankly speaking, I don’t trust this guy because he is TOO gandhian for my taste. He praised modi and when slammed started criticizing modi. MK Gandhi too use to issue statements slamming some Indians who were not in good books of brits.

    A.P.Abdul Kutty, CPI(M) MLA, Kerala – He proved communists too have some brain.

    Mehbooba Mufti – She is very dangerous lady. She is closet Geelani and should be avoided like plague.

    Abdul Ghulam Vastanvi – Poor guy..can’t say anything more.

    Time Magazine – I think it was influenced by Modi’s PR machine and business lobby in US.

    Brookings Institution – Same as time Magazine.

    Finally on Modi himself – He should stop this sadbhavana nautanki and accept his failure to control 2002 riots. There is no need for him to apologize to muslim or any community as it can be used against him by NGOs who are working as proxy to political parties and countries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because of your last para, you may not get any other response.

    The only objection I have against Modi is that he has lot to answer for 2002 and he hasn’t till now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    The problem is that we are treating Godhra-Gujarat riots not as law and order problem but more like political problem. After 10 years things have become so complex that both side can not concede any ground. If Modi apologizes or does anything of that sort, it may be used against him. If Teesta and co. accepts reports that give clean chit to modi, without howling, they will lose the creditibility in the eyes of people whom they claim to represent.

    So the need of the hour is to let law take its own course and accept the verdict at the end. Both side want verdict to suit them (I know the judicial process in India can be rigged) but we have no choice but to accept the verdict churned out of current judicial system.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have my views on Modi and 2002, which I have expressed several times on this blog, hence will not do so again. You have your point of view and I have mine, which may not be same you. Let us agree to disagree and close this topic right here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I am inclined to agree with you on the description of most of the people I had named in the list.

    About Amitabh Bachchan, I feel that the fight has gone out of him due to his series of illnesses and surgeries. He is more ill than appears to be.

    The NGOs can even now use material that is there in the assembly records, where Modi has admitted that the government did whatever was possible and that he felt sorry for so many deaths taking place of both Hindus and Muslims.

    I agree that beyond this he shouldn’t go.

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  • Anonymous

    Punjab minister jailed for conspiracy in daughter’s death

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Punjab/Punjab-minister-jailed-for-conspiracy-in-daughter-s-death/Article1-833006.aspx

    Senior Punjab minister Jagir Kaur was on Friday held guilty by a Patiala court of conspiracy in the death of her own daughter in April 2000 and sentenced to five years rigorous imprisonment. However, the court dropped murder charges against her.

    ———–

    Jagir Kaur’s daughter Harpreet Kaur had died under mysterious circumstances April 20, 2000, following which she was cremated hastily by the family members.

    Harpreet had angered her mother and other family members by secretly marrying a youth, Kamaljit Singh, who belonged to a lower caste.

    =======

    Sometimes politicians get convicted in India. Can we say in rarest of rare cases?
    There is still the High Court and the Supreme Court and it may take another 12 years to get a final verdict.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I believe the punishment is too light.

    So we may be moving from Politicians not being punished to being punished but receiving lighter sentences.

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  • Anonymous

    Gods come out in Gods own Country during March-May, listening to drums sitting on decked elephants.. The “pooram” season starts with the festival in Thirunakkara Mahadeva temple, in Kottayam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI04wZFxAjs&feature=endscreen&NR=1

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  • Anonymous

    Akhilesh Yadav goes on austerity drive

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Akhilesh-Yadav-goes-on-austerity-drive/articleshow/12469365.cms

    Surprising even his officials, Uttar Pradesh chief minister Akhilesh Yadav has issued orders to cut down the cars in his fleet from 40 to just eight and also ordered the specialised hospital operating in his official residence to shut down.

    ———-

    Read on.
    Well done, Akhilesh.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have this sense that he will turn out to be a good CM and a great PM at some time in future. He and his beautiful wife can dazzle the world, if he can set UP in the right course. He can be a thug, or can be a statesman; let us hope he chooses the later.

    I read some where that he was not a show off throwing his weight around while he was a student in Mysore, and was a quiet boy..

    Let us all wish him the best and pray that he will do the right things

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This nautanki about security and entourage is just about (false) status and show off one’s (non-existence) importance – small people (politicians), small thinking. The worst offender has been Mayawati. She had surrounded herself with security matching or exceeding that of the Prime Minister, probably ‘basking’ her days in the sun.

    There are few exceptions – Chidamabaram, Sharad Pawar and George Fernandes come to mind. Also I had read about a chief minister of Pondicherry/Puducherry, who had no security whatsoever and many times used to cycle around all by himself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Akhilesh seems to be a mixed bag-
    Bad decisions-
    1. Inducted criminals like Raja Bhaiyya in cabinet.
    2. Kept all the IAS officers close to mayawati on waiting list.
    3. Did not act swiftly to control SP workers violence.

    Good decisions-
    1. Has done away with massive security around him.
    2. He has turned CM office accessible to aam-admi.

    I think if he comes out of his father’s shadow and style of politics, he can probably contribute in positive manner.

    However I am not pinning my hope on him because coming from UP, I know Mulayam and family are Yadav mafias good for nothing.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Sanjay;
    I am not talking specifics, I am talking about the role, an Army plays in the life of a nation. This disciplined force has few equals in the world and they have proved themselves, even though ill equipped and neglected, when given a free hand, they proved very effective. British governments resolve to fight axis, was heavily dependent on Indian Army. Anyway, I am digressing here.
    To prepare a disciplined Army, requires, tradition of hundreds of years, yes, you heard it right. Army is not only trained to kill, it consistently, does it only agains national enemies and protect nation, WITHOUT IFS AND BUTS.My many family members were in all three services, retiring after reaching senior positions. These soldiers are straight forward, quick to take decision and difficult to be placated, when wronged. I have some inkling, about preparing a soldier out of a raw recruit. This fine institution should be left alone.
    As a parting anecdote, I read long time back, recall single minded devotion of soldiers.
    A Gurkha Sepoy, stationed at a sentry post at some Naval dockyard, Asked on loudspeaker, to the mighty war ship. Halt, who goes there and raised his rifle. Imagine the situation, Single soldier, ( those who have not seen a Warship, will find it difficult to imagine. I was onboard Vikrant, and that was also not mightiest of them), Captain was advised to answer, as this is a soldier from Indian Army and will fire for sure, if no answer comesforth. That is how legends are made, please do not throwaway this treasure.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Pankaj. Absolutely right. I have friends and family in the fauj. Let us celeberate the glorious traditions and not run it down for TRP ratings.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Army or any institution is as good or bad as the people it employs. Even if a strict code of conduct helps the institution insulate the organisation from the maladies of regular civil societies, few chinks start showing as the organisation grows big and the business becomes lucrative.

    I definitely know people hire ex-armymen to get their things done in army. These ex-army men ask crores of unaccounted money to be given as bribes to get things done in army. Whether they actually pass on those crores of rupees to the serving officers or not is a matter of debate.

    I am not sure if vectra would actually approach the army chief to pass a regular ongoing order of just 600 vehicles. This kind of volume is just a normal business for both vectra and the Army. I have never heard of even any whisper of approaching the army chief. I am not saying they do not offer bribes. They mostly got their things done with middle level people. In this case the BEML chief openly said he personally dealt with the case and he has not offered any money to anybody.

    But yes, with 7000 trucks already in the service and continuous order from the army makes it a lucrative business for another truck company !

    I know many officers who used defend the Army Chief strongly few months back now feel uncomfortable. Like me, even they find many things irrational.

    So it’s not the people in general, but the conduct of some officers is in question. It’s better that one takes a hard decision – surgery.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sanjay;
    You are at advantage here. You are dropping names, which I have never heard of and I can not, As I am far away from action. I feel, you are not getting the feel of what I wanted to say, I am not saying about specifics, I am speaking about philosphy of a good Army. This vectra, etc, are very new name, I want to have a feed back or your opinion about insulating Army from meladies, which is afflicting present day Polity and civil life, if India can not do that then, another Institution goes south.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ofcourse I understand your sentiment and value that.

    How can I be different ? I too value the army like any other Indian. We are discussing few issues specifically which we would not talk usually.

    In my earlier post I talked about the Indian Army becoming the center of attraction because of its growing budget. Most of World power will vie for a pie in future defence business. So it’s going to be messy.

    So the indian Army needs solid leaders in times to come to deal with these powerful defence contractors and their political masters apart from keeping the army ready for our rogue neighbours.

    That’s where I feel we need different kind of leaders in the army. People with cribbing mindset definitely can not carry the burden of the huge responsibilities that the future Indian defence leadership is required to.

    India’s role on the World stage is going to change. We need a different breed of Defence leadership. We need the best.

  • Anonymous

    I was reading the BBC hindi blog on traffic in India. I have always wondered that British gave us so many things but why did we not learn from them traffic sense (at least).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/hindi/2012/03/post-230.html

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  • Anonymous

    BVS

    What is your opinion about HC’s verdict on Bidari?
    1) Is the court going beyond its power by disallowing the govt choice for a top position?
    2) Assuming Bidari is a bad dude, it will be good for the country if all high courts in India get involved like this.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Sanjay

    now your grandad/ father would have crossed over as did mine. Now people in this side of the border never said, “saale kyon aaye..”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    humare jaise kuchh log bole ” yeh saala south indians yahan kya kar rahe hain ? “

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    Anonymous Reply:

    cmon… I have lived my whole life in Delhi. I never saw ANY resentment against Southies. In fact they were welcomed as tenants, as friends ( for beeing loyal) and in school for being good mates — punctual in homework- so easy to copy….

    now dont create a controversy when there is none. Delhi is pretty open hearted. I have seen the texture change from Punjabi to Bihari…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps you ignored many such snide remarks as friendly jokes. It was always there in Karol Bagh, even years back. South Delhi is lot more restrained.Perhaps people do not have much time for casual gossips in Friends Colony or GK. But you would still find that kind of attitude in Lajpat Nagar, Amar Colony etc.

  • Anonymous

    There are two burning questions that are being asked about Gen.VK Singh-UPA Govt. saga..

    “Why did the general not give the complaint in writing?”

    Agree on this. The chief should have given a written complaint – in quadruplicate. White copy to the minister, yellow copy for the minister to stamp acknowledgment that he received the white copy, blue copy for army records and pink copy for his personal confidential files. Procedures must be followed.

    “Why did his boss (Antony) not pursue the matter further and insist on a written complaint?”

    As mentioned above, procedures must be followed. so antony was waiting for white and yellow copies.

    Disclaimer: I got this from another forum. I tried posting the link but the post kept getting deleted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am told that Gen Singh is an honourable soldier. The timing of his announcement does indeed raise questions, but my friend tells me that it is a rare coincidence and he is not releasing something he has been sitting on.

    Anthony is an honourable man too; the rumour here is that this “seedha sadha bhola simpleton” is used as a front by the madam and co to get their hands in the procurement. Time will tell.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    I do not know, whether you can read Hindi or not. if you can read it, give a try to” Usne kaha tha” story by sudarshan, there was a film as well, based on this story, did not see it and do not know, whether it did justice to the story. you will understand Army, better.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great songs too

    1) aahaa rim jhim ke yeh pyaare pyaare
    2) machalti aarzoo

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is another issue re: the letter to the PM which was leaked. Shouldn’t the media (print or electronic) have refrained from making it public in nation’s interest? Were they not irresponsible in doing so?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    TRP.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘Anonymous’ hackers threaten to shut down internet on Saturday

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/Anonymous-hackers-threaten-to-shut-down-internet-on-Saturday/articleshow/12471622.cms

    Come Saturday and there is a strong possibility that you won’t be able to indulge in your favourite internet activities like shopping and surfing due to a hacking group – Anonymous – which has threatened to shut down the net.

    “Operation Global Blackout 2012 looks to shut down the internet for a whole day tomorrow (Saturday) by disabling its core DNS servers, making websites inaccessible,” said Interpol’s secretary general, Ronald K Noble.

    ————-

    read on.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Rajeev

    I hope the media does not do a CWG or 2G type of reporting on the Army. It is still one institution which has some purity. The Gen may be 100 % right on the corruption report. But to drag it into news was sad and the guy who has done iit needs severe punishment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    Our media is totally Jahil. It doesn’t know when to stop. I still remember that vulgar 26/11 coverage done by media especially NDTV led by Barkha Dutt.

    Our media needs some lesson in reporting with discipline and restraint.

    I am sure both UPA and Gen. will not do anything publicly anymore for the sake of the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree, our media (electronic) is totally juvenile and do not when to stop. Restraint is a ‘phoren’ word to them.

    I believe the Government and the General are already smoking the peace pipe.

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  • Anonymous

    Rupee goes down to another all time low by 4% in March; capital inflows down by 80% from feb, retroactive tax rules holding FDI on hold, increased petroleum prices, increasing subsidization …. all point to a terrible time ahead.

    It is unfortunate that BJP did not come up with a confidence boosting alternative to Pranab’s presentation. They just got into the usual rut of the common man.

    Centre needs a Akhilesh. who knows, he may end up there sooner than later!

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  • Anonymous

    Bin Laden fathers four children, builds/buys three houses, while he is on the run in Pakistan!

    Musharuff all the time maintained that Osama must have died of kidney disease in the mountains of Tora Bora! While Americans did not believe that he was dead, they did believe the man walked with a kidney dialysis machine….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    he must have ben fully relaxed and in bliss to be able to think of producing children on the run.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    When someone does not have anything to do then the only thing he will do is …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Eitherr before going he thought let me produce as many snakes as possible… or the whole business of killing humanity was giving him some sort of sexual kicks. That is my psychoanalysis of him…

    Funny things were happening in Tora Bora all the time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan’s analysis is apt.

  • Anonymous

    Goldman Sachs conducts its board of directors meeting in India….NY Times today..
    They screwed up a lot of countries… Is India in their radar to screw up next????

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/goldmans-passage-to-india/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Intersting.

    india has all the opportunity at the doorstep. Well lets see whether we end up making a mess or not.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy/Vijay,

    One should be very careful now when dealing with banks. Their only benchmark is
    profit and profit only nothing else. They just don’t care about the customers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In India a citibank executive called Shiv Raj Puri used the Citibank letterhead— and I think with some conivance wit the management — to float his own company which he told his clients was citi bank backed.

    he collected 72 crores and maybe more from regular citi customers… who were under the impression that citi was gauranteeing 3% returns a MONTH !

    AshishC Reply:

    I followed the fracas closely.
    Aside from the alleged criminality of one Mr Puri and culpability or not of Citibank management, I recall a HNI who heads a VC fund was among those duped.
    Now think of this..
    The same person invests his fund’s money into startups. Imagination boggles! If a man who can believe that 3% per month can be guaranteed by any investment vehicle, then all we can say is that he got rich by accident and 1 in a million luck.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    When anyone offers me such kind of returns, my usual reply is that I would prefer buying
    lottery instead which is much cheaper.

    AshishC Reply:

    Precisely..
    Now, imagine. One of the “murga”s was a top VC- he is on the board of (no I will not name, though the temptation is too much :-) ) one of the leading VC firms in the country – his own net worth is supposed to be in hundreds of crores. How did he fall for it?
    Should that guy sit on your board, how seriously will you take his financial advice?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps he was looking for a quick “exit route” from the VC business itself ! can’t blame him he is supposed to take risk !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    That is problem, most of the people are taken at their face value. One should always
    read and understand properly before investing anything. Here in Dubai also many
    people have lost their hard earned to these fly by night investment ‘ experts ‘.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That was a real comic scheme! Imagiane money being invested by Puri’s father and mother as advisers. The Finance director of hero Honda also invested a couple of crores of company money….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Goldman Sachs is under a lot of scrutiny in US for their “contribution” to the meltdown.
    They are like Pakistan, deal on both sides!.

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  • Anonymous

    Indian activist honoured by Skoll Foundation

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article3263111.ece

    Excerpts

    Arbind Singh, a well-known development activist from India, was on Friday given the prestigious Skoll Foundation Social Entrepreneurship Award at a function in Oxford for his work in the informal labour sector.

    ———-

    Mr Singh said that informal workers formed the “backbone’’ of Indian industry and yet they were hugely neglected.

    “Informal workers in India are street traders, domestic workers, construction laborers, market vendors, agriculture workers and more. They toil hard, often in actual waste piles, of garbage and scraps, but broken systems and structures keep them there in a vicious cycle with no forward progress. They are entrenched in a curious nexus of economic and social bondage. To break that bondage, we have learned, one needs innovative methods of organizing, new economic development activities and use of technology, combined with advocacy. That’s how the system gets challenged and changed,” he said.

    ———–

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  • Anonymous

    Another gem from Fatwa manufacturing Corp. of India also known as Deoband.

    Talaq Said in Drunken State Over Phone Valid: Deoband
    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=757737

    Isn’t drinking alcohol HARAM in Islam so how come words uttered in HARAM mode turn HALAL?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But of course the talaq would be valiid, sharabi ya non sharabi. more women need to be impregnated in the battle for the womb so why not?

    Just watch out for the trolls here who can give you a bath tub of tears in case you were to talk about equality of women under a commone civil code.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Two negatives make a positive as per the latest news form Tora Bora :)

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    DEFENCE DEALS AND ALL THAT…
    ————————————————–

    At Sanjay, Rajeev, Gopi

    I am a small guy. i guess all the fame would probably come posthumously !

    but I have bumped into two big arms daddies in Delhi by accident. And in both cases been fairly convinced.that they survive on political patronage, more than just army patronage.

    the first one was the son of a guy who shook up the Congress government once. We played tennis together for sometime as he wanted to pracitice against me. Not much talk as he was 15 yrs older.. But he seemed So well connected and cocksure that nothing will come out of the probe as they were doing it for forces much above the press and people of India. In fact the army people were small fries in his eyes compared to the politicos…

    The other guy is still in India and works for a company which is owned by a former Rajya Sabha member who was the son of a rear admiral…

    The point is

    a) India needs arms as our manufacturing capabilty is limited. the international arms companies need wars which Paksitanis and jehadi readily provide.

    b) Politicans have their hands deep into it and they want some armymen to get involved so that the deals go thru smoothly.

    In the end it is a win win situation….. The army men individually have joined the forces for serving the country and decimaitng the enemy. But they now have a lot of people waiting to corrupt them.

    Will certainly write a book on this… someday…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    People will try to corrupt the system wherever there is a possibility of a business transaction. The Indian army with its huge budget will naturally attract everybody. The middlemen try to attract the basic human instinct of these soldier-administrators – that’s human greed. Many resist, some fall for it. Or,other way round.

    There is nothing to write home about.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    This Wendy Niger episode is kind of a recurring serial. What is your impression from this book. let me know. I really have this book with me, but as you know, I am terribly busy with my job, and every time I come here, I am stealing time. Please let me know in 5-6 lines, which says things about Hindus, which you find so abominable. If you can give reference page wise, I will go there and cross check and would like to give my interpretation. I really do not have much time, so please be concise.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    Who is Wendy Niger.

    My impression of the book written by Wendy Doniger, is that she has taken much the same secondary sources that are available to all other historians and she has written a History of Hindus from the PERSPECTIVE of females, dalits and animals. Both literal as well as symbolic interpretations of stories from the Vedas, Puranas, Epics and other sources.

    I do not believe that what she says is nay more or any less true than any or all of the other histories of the Hindus. But it is an ALTERNATIVE narrative. The book by any stretch of imagination is NOT ANTI HINDU.

    So if one approaches from the perspective of a BELIVER, then naturally it appears to challenge the orthodox views which any one can pick-up during early morning walks through the Ajmal Khan park. However, if one extends one’s horizons and looks at our scriptures as sources of our History then one has to accept the academic rigour with which Wendy has written this exemplary book.

    Sita/Eklavya/Dog that followed Youdishtra to heaven are some of the most refreshing interpretations of our scriptures I have read.

    I have also read many an inane oppositions to the book mainly from the right-wing orthodox people and like most of the opposition to the Satanic Verses came from those who were over energised but had not read the book. The same factors apply here.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    I am happy to read you. Have been saved lot of time. I am Ok with your view. It is a different interpretation, and my belief is strong enough to withstand them.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    However, after re-reading your question to me. Please read it again yourself.

    Did you mean to ask me. It seems that a part of what you are asking me should actually have been asked to those who object to Wendy’s book.

    I do not. I have read it TWICE and still find it fascinating.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    You have saved me time. I am thankful for it. I run a billion dollar industry, and find it difficult to come back to blog all the time. main idhar jaoon ya udhar jaoon? that is the problem.

    Ravi Reply:

    Surely work takes priority over this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘my belief is strong enough to withstand them’.

    How very true. Kudos.

    Only those who have doubts about their belief system get discomforted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you asked fake Ravi, “Please let me know in 5-6 lines, which says things about Hindus, which you find so abominable. ”

    Actually this fake agrees with everything Wendy Niger (what a name!) has written denigrating Hindus and insulting their traditions and faith.

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  • Anonymous

    Sonia, Rahul and the wall of silence
    Minhaz Merchant

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/headon/entry/sonia-rahul-and-the-wall-of-silence

    Excerpts

    With power comes accountability. Responsible leaders lead from the front. They accept responsibility. UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and Congress General Secretary Rahul Gandhi are India’s two most powerful politicians. Yet when there is a crisis, they retreat behind a wall of silence. Silence at such times is not the hallmark of a leader. Think: Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Churchill, Kennedy

    —————

    The Prime Minister has accountability without power. Sonia and Rahul have power without accountability. This is no way to run a serious democratic government unless you want to only benchmark yourself to other feudocracies like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and myriad Arab Sheikdoms. (In the latter there is at least no ambiguity or pretence over who’s really in charge, with no democratic institutions worth the name to cosmetically protect.)

    —————–

    The BJP could fill the vacuum of leadership created by the UPA’s malfeasance. But it too has been caught up in a vortex of regional corruption scandals – from Karnataka to Uttarkhand. Do we have an alternative? Of course we do. The Congress can professionalise, cleanse itself, shed dynastic rule which demeans our democracy and become again the party Gandhi, Patel and Nehru intended it to be. The BJP too can go back to its Vajpayee-ist inclusiveness and make economic reforms its central agenda instead of cutting deals with the mining mafia in Karnataka and Madhya Pradesh.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe they have restrained themselves from commenting on the matters of Governance. With an active NAC, Sonia had made few comments mildly against few Govt. policies during UPA1. Then she was perceived to be interfering in the Governance or remote controlling the Govt. In UPA2, she has refrained mostly and allowed the Govt. to handle most of the situations independently. Last she had made a public comment was perhaps during early days of Anna struggle when she said that she was disbanding any duplicate work on the Lokpal Bill draft at NAC.

    CAG or chief of Army controversy falls under Governance domain. So it’s good that she has left them for the Govt. to handle.

    Similarly Rahul last made a public statement perhaps during Kashmir crisis and appealed to everybody to give Omar a chance.

    I prefer this restrain on their part. Infact it’s quite admirable. Any comment from them in the matter of Governance would attract wide criticism. the same writer would have used double the columnage condemning their comments on the matter of Governance ! To be or not be !

    Anybody else with a quarter of their power would have run amok. Sanjay Gandhi for instance. And that’s true for any other party.

    Learn to give credit where it’s due. Oh, it’s too much to ask for, perhaps !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What a spin!!! Murli will be surprised.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre baba let us face it . Murl had faulty action. jagmohan Dalmiya cleared it to get the world cup in the subconitinent and to become the ICC chairman…

    Yahan pe bhi… kuch seat weat ka chakkar hai…

    Anonymous Reply:

    With this post, Sanjay Prahlad Dhawan ji, you have removed the last lingering doubt about your fake identity: you are Prahlad and Prahlad was Prabhat and both are creations of the sutradhar, Vinod Sharma.

    I had asked in one my posts where else you have posted your “views”. Your silence is eloquent. It also solves one other mystery: why Vinod Sharma doesn’t write his responses here anymore. The answer is: He writes, but only through his proxy, the formless, nameless HMVs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This morning you definitely woke up late. And the first ritual that you missed is your “morning dose of Jhaad phoonk”. How are you going to manage the whole day ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe the author was highlighting power and accountability and he has a point. The present arrangement between party president and the Prime Minister does not seem to be working for the country nor for the Congress Party. The PM should not be looking over his shoulders when he has to take decision. So different from the days of yore. Tragic indeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If the PM could assert himself and got the nuclear deal going, he definitely has the power. Admittedly, he is not adept handling the party affairs. That’s just okay. He has managed his team along and given them enough room to grow. A few has taken the undue advantage of that. These kind of rogue elements would be there any any Govt. irrespective of the form of the Govt i.e single party or coalition.

    By the way, it’s said that Sonia gandhi arrives before the PM and leaves after the PM in any event. Does it say anything ?

    AshishC Reply:

    Respect :)
    for being able to spin power without accountability so well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I bow to thee !

  • Pankaj#1

    Gopi;
    News about Osama’s secret life in Pakistan and Navy Seal Operation, in HT today. That is Armed Forces. Dwell on it. Think, what our politicians were triffling with.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    After few stiff drinks, and listening to seductive voice of Munni Begam:
    It is addressed to dear moderator.
    Ye, Mayquada to Mukaddas jagah hai, …..
    ……… Aaj waiz se itna kah do Be wazu is maykade main na Aaye.
    as you understand, Wize is dear moderator.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    the congressi troll has ‘reproduced’ parts of an article Minhas Merchant has written in Times of India. I think he is an ardent follower of Vinod Sharma’s blog and some of the points he has written are straight lifts from what you have been hammering on: the need to re-invent the congress party of Gandhi (the original one) Nehru, Patel etc. by discarding the dynasty and all slavery the congressmen willingly suffer in the name of the dynasty.

    He says:”The Congress can professionalise, cleanse itself, shed dynastic rule which demeans our democracy and become again the party Gandhi, Patel and Nehru intended it to be.”

    To think Vinod Sharma’s proxy on this blog has incessantly attacked you for your progressive views!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “…He says:”The Congress can professionalise, cleanse itself, shed dynastic rule which demeans our democracy and become again the party Gandhi, Patel and Nehru intended it to be.”…”

    That’s like urging somebody to follow a mirage when you know there can never be a congress of gandhi, patel and nehru in the present context. The time has changed. The leaders have changed. So chasing the past glory of the congress is like going on a constant loop looking for something that does not exist.

    And who would set somebody deliberately after a non-existent mirage ?

    Somebody whoever wants the Congress develop low confidence and go into a loop and create space for others. Particularly for BJP.

    Who could be that somebody ?

    What did you say ?

    ” ati vinayam dhoorta lakshnama ” !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My smile extended from ear to ear when I came to the end of your post above.

    Ati Vinayam dhoorta lakshanam”-that was exactly what I had told Prahlad when he began his “short career” as Vinodji’s proxy, addressing everybody (except Shoib) “sir”.

    Coming to the Minhas article, you are only confirming the reality facing the congress party: that the dynasty is the very life breath of the party. No dynasty, no party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your memory fails so often these days !

    You said that just 2-3 days / weeks back on this blog post itself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “…Coming to the Minhas article, you are only confirming the reality facing the congress party: that the dynasty is the very life breath of the party. No dynasty, no party. …”

    -

    Vajpayee ran NDA Govt. for 6 years. But on his own he could never have brought the party to that level. It was Advani who did that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay ji

    I hope you are Minhas and writing articles under a differnet name there :)

    Come let us make the Indian national Congress our natinal jewel, berft of the dynasty polcues !!

    Aaoo is desh mein ak Aandhi laayein…
    Bhagat Singh aur Bapu ke sapnon ko saakar banayein… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks shenoy

    There are more intelligent people on this planet finally !!! i will start a chain mail to cleanse to Congress and make it a national jewel !!

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  • Anonymous

    Now news about Modi. Read on.

    ————

    CAG raps Narendra Modi govt for Rs 17,000 cr losses

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/CAG-raps-Narendra-Modi-govt-for-Rs-17000-cr-losses/articleshow/12476483.cms

    Excerpts

    The Comptroller and Auditor General reports for 2009-10 and 2010-11, placed before the Gujarat assembly on the last day of the budget session on Friday, tore into the Narendra Modi government on the issue of corruption by pointing out irregularities causing a cumulative loss of nearly Rs 17,000 crore.

    ———–

    With all but four Congress MLAs suspended from the House, there could be no debate on the damning CAG reports. As soon as the house began functioning on Friday, MLAs Rajendrasinh Parmar, Paranjayadityasinhji Parmar, Jodhaji Thakore and Amit Chavda sought discussion on CAG report, which the speaker Ganpar Vasava disallowed.

    The quartet rushed to the well carrying banners on CAG. They were suspended, quite predictably, and escorted out by the security staff.

    =========

    Does it smell of any hanky-panky? Nah! Modi and hanky-panky, not possible if one has to believe ……………..?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    CAG pulls up Guj firm for ‘benefits’ to Adani, Essar

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Gujarat/CAG-pulls-up-Guj-firm-for-benefits-to-Adani-Essar/Article1-833146.aspx

    Excerpts

    The CAG on Friday pulled up Gujarat government company, GSPC for extending undue benefits to Adani Energy and Essar Steel and said the company’s poor management of oil and gas exploration business led to over Rs 5,000 crore loss. The report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG), which was tabled in the state assembly today, said GSPC bought natural gas from the open market (spot market) and sold it to the Adanis at a price lower than the purchase price. CAG estimated that Adani Energy received undue benefit of Rs 70.54 crore in the process.

    ———–

    The main reasons for the incorrect estimation, CAG said, was adoption of deficient geological model prepared by its joint venture partnre, Geo Global Resources of Canada, which led to escalation in the cost of exploration phase from Rs 531.94 crore to Rs 6,265.68 crore.

    =======

    It is rotten state of affairs all across the country – does not matter which party is in power – the Congress, the BJP or the regional players.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like ‘football’ fan(atic)s aboard have diverted the Gujarat Rath Yatra Express from these stattions, telling the train pilot ‘move on’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you see Vijay online today ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is online, but then real ‘neutral’ people do not comment on spades belonging to a particular deck of cards.

    Anonymous Reply:

    .Manohar,

    Are you gloating because some bad news has come out of Gujarat and it may harm Modi.?
    Your above comment is suggestive.
    Please don’t mention porn episode, that was a
    trivial issue and it will have no effect on Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    No I am not gloating. See my remarks at the end of the second post – re: rotten state of affairs all across and to point out the fallacy of ‘holier than thou’ halo that has been put on his head.

    Re: porn. Recall my posts- it was a non-issue to me, per se. The BJP spokespersons made it into a Modi-vs-Media/Rest issue then (M/s. Shaina, Vyas, Oza & Co.)

    Whether anything has any effect on him, is of concern of mine.

  • Anonymous

    National Interest: Ministry of Indefensible
    Shekhar Gupta

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-ministry-of-indefensible/930659/0

    Excerpts

    Is ours an army of thieves? Or, more specifically, is it officered by people who are only interested in manipulating weapons systems trial to make big bucks on the side, selling the national interest to the highest bidder and spending most of their time in their respective offices badmouthing their superiors, back-stabbing their peers and crushing the toes of their juniors?

    I can go on and on in the same vein. But I am sure this line of questioning has got you angry enough already. Because, chances are you’d say that we have a patriotic, loyal, brave, professional and decent army led by our most honourable fellow Indians. They have built an institution over many decades that all of India gratefully respects and loves. They have fought bravely, and even successfully except once (1962), the many wars our nation has had to fight in these decades.

    Then what is all this noise about?

    We have now spent more than a decade watching our armed forces feature in the most unflattering headlines. There is always the shadow of Bofors, but it really started with Tehelka’s so-called Operation West End and, over the years, we have come to see every single defence deal as suspect. As if all our soldiers have been doing through our history is buying junk from around the world, and enriching themselves. So what if for every officer with an apartment in Adarsh, there are hundreds who live in two/ three-bedroom apartments in housing cooperatives. Again, will you put this to the test of facts?

    Surely, our defence forces have always been short of crucial equipment, even during wars, and even during a heady 1985-89 phase when Rajiv Gandhi (and I will come back to why we need to salute his foresight now) took our defence budget, for the first, and the last time, beyond 4 per cent of our GDP (today it is well below two).

    ————-

    Because the moment one is losing the deal, it orchestrates anonymous, vague complaints against the front-runner. We have rent-a-signature MPs to forward these factional rivalries in the forces and an utterly spineless civilian administration whose first response is to put the deal on hold and call in the CBI. As a consequence, our defence acquisitions have nearly come to a standstill. And even if they picked up last year, we are already showing signs of returning to “normal”.
    ———

    So the fourth largest army in the world cannot be run by the CBI and motivated leaks from all sides. But that is where UPA’s spineless leadership of India’s higher security has brought us to. Their first instinct seems to be freeze at the first whiff of a controversy, and stop everything. A bit like preventing the spread of HIV by putting everybody in a chastity belt and throwing the keys in the Yamuna. That is why India’s higher defence crisis today is a crisis of leadership and confidence at the top. But given UPA 2’s record, where do you even begin telling that story?
    —-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “…A bit like preventing the spread of HIV by putting everybody in a chastity belt and throwing the keys in the Yamuna….”

    Very well said.

    UPA is suffering from this mindset. They are playing safe. They do not take aggressive stances and allow everything to be settled by the courts, in the process losing time. This must stop.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No it started with Mani Silencer Aiyar who failed an creatted a 70000 crore loot story. Why are you afraid to name him. Kya iss liye ki woh apne ghar ka aadmi hai? :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That was a **** everybody knew.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Playing safe and that is the problem. The shortcomings mentioned in the leaked letter are a testimony to this problem.

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  • Anonymous

    viju, ravi, pankaj et al

    Wendy has arisen again.

    Wendy could have done better by exploring how Ramayana nd Mahabharatha spread through the continent, how it became a part of the daily lives of the umanity in the subcontinent, how “subhadra haranam” still lives in Kathakali form enjoyed by millions, how krishna and Radha swings to Jayadevas music in Odyssey dance, while Achilles and patroclus and Trojans are characters in printed pages of old Greek books. Instead of that she draws her canvass and tries to interpret what the great saint meant in yestreaday’s life but using todays norms.

    One will not see the word Hindu in Ramayana or MAhabharatha; but Wendy wants to wrte a history of India/Hindus using thes e two venerred books. Ved Vyasa created a three dimensional view of Bharatha, the land , the people, the four dharmas on an otherwise dull two dimesnsional map of the place.

    Wendy and Ravi castigate Drona acharya and the system at that time (about 1000-1500 BC) as a system rigged by “upper caste’ (??) a system that permeates even today. Wendy draws broad conclusion from the literal interpretation of the stories, whERE Vyasa crates a platform to go deep and ponder. Drona, born as a Brahmin, practises the crafts of kshatriya , learns all warfare and armament techniques including Dhanurveda . The king of Panchala gets a son through his thapas, a son he wanted to kill Drona for the humiliation he suffered at the hands of Drona . But Drona being the best guru, Panchala wants Drona to teach the boy, Dhristadyumna, all the techniques of archery. Drona, knowing that Dhrishtdyumna’s ordained role is as a killer of Drona, still teaches him all the techniques of archery and fighting. Nowhere else in world literature there is a scenario like this where the teacher knows that the student will use all the techniques he teaches to kill him…bu he still imparts al the techniques wghich eventually will be used by Dhrishtdyumna to kill Drona.

    Dhrishtdyumnan thu panchalya
    maniy swam niveshnam
    upakarod astra hetho
    bharadwaja prathapavan
    amokshaniyam daivam hi
    bhavi mathwa mahamathi
    thatha thathkrithvan Drona
    athamkirthnu rakshnath” (adiparva, 1566.55, 56)

    a person will do everything to kill/escape from the guy he knows will kill him. But Drona did not care about his death.

    Drona, after teaching Arjuna everything, asks for a “gurudakshina” from Arjuna

    “yudhe ham prathiyodhvyo
    yudha manasthwya na gha” (adiparva 138. 4 )

    Essentially locking in Arjuna to fight with him if he fights with Arjuna (for he foresees the Mahbharatha war and the formations on both sides)

    Now, this selfless Drona is considered a casteist by Wendy and the modern leftists based on the perceived treatment of Ekalavya. Mind at that time there was no caste, none of the books talk about any discrimination or subjugation.

    Ekalavya walks into the courtyard of Hastinapuri requesting Drona to take him as a student. Drona was the “secretary of defence” for a great empire of that time. Drona, Ved Vyasa says

    is a purush shreshta , mahatheja, sampoojitha, “dwipadam vara” (the most respected among the ones who walk on two legs)

    “thatha sampoojitha Drona
    Bhishmen dwipadam vara
    Vishwasrama mahatheja
    poojitha kuruveshmani” ( sambhava parva 131.1)

    So the question is will a “dwipadam vara” do anything violating that?

    Drona rejects Ekalavya’s request to be take n s a student on the ground that other students (pandavas) did not want him as a fellow student because he was a Nishada, son of the Nishda King Hiranya Kshipu. Droma did not have a direct responsibility in his students not wanting Ekalavya as a clssmate, neither for him being a nishada. No citizen of present day India is responsible for one person becoming a PM, and another becoming an opposition leader. The democratic election system propels individuals into these roles. Mahabharatha is silent on why the Acharya did not want to argue against his students to intake a Nishada boy. But one can understand the silence from the written words on other things.

    MORE LATER

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Gopi

    i will give you a considered reply later as I get over these damn drgs.

    In my opinion wendy haad a right to opinion but well it is a shallow view seen from outside. How can everything have a literal intrepretation especially a sex one, becasue of her psychoanalytical background.

    Freudian psychoanalysis is dead and considered silly today. If a child is denied an ice cream he will dream about it in the night and cry for it. freudian psychoanalysts rush to find sexual meanings to such innocent phenomenon… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopji,

    Superb. Was waiting for you to come up with something like this
    in answer to Wendy Dolinger.

    ” Instead of that she draws her canvass and tries to interpret what the great saint meant in yestreaday’s life but using todays norms.”

    This is main problem. Most of the people interpret ancient books
    using today’s norms.
    —–

    I will just post two answers which Ms. Dollinger gave in one
    of her interview. Please draw your conclusion.

    “You also suggest that because Rama is afraid of turning into a sex addict like his father, he throws Sita out after enjoying sex with her?

    You have a chapter in Valmiki’s Ramayana where Rama was so happy with Sita, they drank wine together, they were alone, enjoying themselves in every way, indulging in various ways, not just the sexual act. And in the very next chapter he says I’ve got to throw you out. So I’m suggesting: what is the connection between those two things? And what does it mean that Rama knows that Dasaratha, his father, disgraced himself because of his attachment to his young and beautiful wife. So I’m taking pieces of the Ramayana and putting them together and saying these are not disconnected”

    “So you are saying his fear of following in his father’s footsteps is making him betray his own sexuality?

    Yes, I am. Or even of being perceived that way. Remember he keeps repeating: “People will say….” Maybe he knows that his love for Sita is much purer than Dasaratha’s love for Kaikeyi. But even so, he is afraid that people who noticed Dasaratha’s love for Ram will say that like his father, he too is keeping a woman he should not because he’s so crazy about her. So he fears public opinion will connect him with his father. Yes, I think that’s there — but it’s not the only thing there is in the Ramayana. It’s just something others haven’t pointed out, so I thought I’d better point it out”

    Like many other versions of Ramayan, Ms. Dollinger has also
    interpreted Vedas, Ramayan and Mahabharat as per her today’s thinking.

    IMO she should be simply ignored.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi and Mohan

    Mohan your posting just completes what Gopi was saying. That to extrpolate thought 2000 years back to that of today and then give it words and versions of today can produce comic results.

    in our democracy hse has a right to say all this. Fine. But then to take it as the truth… and then say… “look look … a gori… a white… an English speaking acadMecian has said this… SO WE MUST BE THIS !! ”

    Good for a laugh !

    Anonymous Reply:

    “…That to extrpolate thought 2000 years back to that of today and then give it words and versions of today can produce comic results….”

    Very very interesting observation, indeed ! Is this observation valid for others too ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    She goes the cheap route to establish Rama is not an “uthama purusha” and Sita is not the first “feminist” which many Indian poets including the “adi kavi” have claimed.

    But the irony of her writings is that she uses the two books to create an “alternate” history of Hindus when the books themselves are silent on the concept of a religion, adherence and nowhere anything close to a religion is mentioned. Neither of the books has a word “Hindu” in them, neither of the books has anything akin to Dalit in them – there are Rajas, there are Prajas. How can there be an alternate history, when the history of Aryavartha is still being deciphered.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Controversy sells. She has succeeded in creating controversy and is minting money.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Is controversy bad in itself?

    It it sells and someone makes money, is it bad too?

    Why do some feel threatened when there is a controversy? Does it shake them out of their cocoon?

    In general, who decides what is controversial or what is not? Are there any universal laws that says this is controversial, that is not?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I never claimed that controversy is bad
    or anyone making money from controversy should be abused. Every one has a opinion on certain subjects
    and everyone reacts in his own way.
    The problem is when someone reacts
    violently if he does not agree with
    his/her views. No one can decide what
    is controversy. What I believe is controversy, for you it could be a trivial matter or vice versa. What will be the
    fun if everyone agrees with each other
    on all the subjects. We all love this
    blog for the reason that most of us have different opinion/version on
    various subjects.

    On this subject also, I liked what
    Gopiji has written and agreed with him
    and I also enjoyed reading what Ravi
    has written but do not agree with him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    “I never claimed that controversy is bad
    or anyone making money from controversy should be abused”.

    IMO, that is not what your post suggested above.

    As religion does not interest me, being more of scientific temper (and no religion has ever been scientific), I have no opinions as to what Ravi or Gopi are saying. My objections has been to Gopi (I have posted my remarks) labeling others who have alternate view of the world and this not the first time he has done.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “….But the irony of her writings is that she uses the two books to create an “alternate” history of Hindus when the books themselves are silent on the concept of a religion, adherence and nowhere anything close to a religion is mentioned. Neither of the books has a word “Hindu” in them,…”

    Then how come Hindus managed to appropriate those two books and call on their own ?

    If we call these two books of our own, then we only provided her the context. Why blame her ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay

    I think you should broaden your concept of Hinduism from what COngress wants it to be.

    Remen=ber Pankaj’s defination of HIndu?

    Anyway HIndus welcome ALL to read those books and admire the thoughts of how hundreds of year back, the concept of Dharma, good and evil, the rightenous of war for the correct cause… prevailed.

    Religion can only be a constantly evolving thought process. People who are fixd to each and every word written in a book written centuries back are only bound to be fanatics.

    If the earth moves around the sun, we have to make that part of religion and correct the book… not foool yourself into believeing that scientists are wrong…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ahh I forgot. What was my question ?

    Ravi Reply:

    I think your question was what is the “Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything

    Anonymous Reply:

    shallow as only Vinod Sharma can be.

    Take the doze of medicine you so freely prescribe to others, yourself once in a way, so that you may remember that you are here to act a part.

    Also, a spoonful of chyawanpraash does great things to one’s memory, including returning it to its rightful place.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sanjay;
    Ramayan has been a National book of Indinesia. It has far greater impact there than realized. Angkor Wat,Buddhists in general and so many countries all around. no body is labeling them as Hindus. Any say?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi resembles the child dreaming during his waking hours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    You have immacultely proved that shallow scholorship of the Wnedy kind is meant for trolls to rejoice.

    The casteist intrepretation is particulary funny. it is trying to create a stereotype based on your own inadequecy.

    As always Gopi, your knowledge of epics is marvellous and shames many of us for neglecting that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    continuing on Eklavya

    But let us assume certain sects of people (a Wendy says Dalits in those times!) were :untouchable”. In these democratic times, can anyone walk in freely to Anthony’s office or Secertary Penetta’s office, or for that matter to a municipal chairman’s office? Here is the chief defence minister of the “Chandra vamsha” empire – supposedly a “high caste” somebody – and this untouchable boy (per Wendy and Ravi) walks in; nobody objects, the all powerful defence chief takes time to talk with him. He would have been killed for that very act of walking in had the society and the chief had that sense of high/low class, as some critics attribute. Nobody would have objected if Drona cut off his head; and if so, he would not have got the press coverage he is getting now.

    Ekalavya was not “born” a Nishada, although he grew up as a Nishada boy — there is a whole story behind that; he in fact is a yadava, Maulyams’s predecessor, his parents left him out in the deep forests, where Hiranya Kashipu, the Nishada king, brought him up among the nishadas. Cruelty was a cornerstone of the Nishada lives, killing animals as a routine and not an occasional hunt, destroying lands and rivers — the story is that the river Saraswathi decided to submerge at the Nishada inlands because she just could not take the “abuse” …

    Drona’s decision not to train was partly based on his belief that Ekalavya will be more cruel if he learns all the techniques of archery ..(a conclusion based on Nishadas origin; not explicitly stated by the great writer) . Drona tells him he cannot accept him as a student, and he should go back to the forests.

    Fast forward… Drona is accused by critics that he asked for the thumb as “gurudakshina” because of his favouritism to Arjun and because his belief that a “dalit” should not learn the fine arts of archery. Both are loose unfounded assumptions.

    Arjuna takes Drona to Ekalavya whose surgical strike of seven arrows on the mouth of Arjuna’s hunting dog made Arjuna wonder about another equally talented archer.. Ekalavya, on seeing Drona, stands up, bows his head, says, “here, I am, your student” . On that utterance, the Guru says “give me gurudakshin” if you are my student.. Ekalavya says he will give anything for the Guru; Guru asks for the thumb of the right hand .. Ekalavya cuts it off with pleasure ..
    “Kim prayachathi bhagavan
    ajnapayathu mam guru:
    na hi kinchithdeyam me
    gurave brahmavithama” (adiparva 131.55)

    This total submission and unquestionable “guru bhakti” is very rare and quite commentable.

    But let us look this from another perspective. Can anybody claim that he is the prime minister’s son or she is the wife of the defence chief? One who claims that in today’s world will be jailed; in some countries he may even be killed.

    So, could Ekalavya claim that he was the student of the defence chief/rajguru of the Chndravamsha, when he was not a student; not only that, when he was specifically told that he cannot be my student? When Ekalavya stated to Arjuna:

    ‘drona sishya chamm vitha
    dhanurveda kritha shramam” (adiparva 131.45)

    he broke multiple “no” that was set – When did he become a student? who gave the permission? What was the purpose of stating that I am the student of the great Dhanurveda teacher Drona?

    Is guru bhakti violating both the rules set by the Guru?

    Guru could have killed him for these violations. When Ekalavya cuts off the thumb, Ekalavya was calm and contented..

    “Thathaiva hrushta vadana
    sthaiv adeena manasa:
    chitwa vicharithm paradad
    Drona angshtathmana’ ( adi parva 131.58)

    The pleasant face (hrushta vadana) and a contended mind (adeena manasa) was not because of the happiness in cutting off the thumb; but in the thought that the Guru did not ask for the head as gurudakshina or did not curse him for being a student when he was specifically prohibited.

    Both – the one who is punished and the one who granted the punishment – rise a notch through their actions.

    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Applause. I Would love to be your student.

    Thank you sir.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great intrepretation Gopi. I would download this and keep it in a folder.

    Trolls wont be able to swallow this, They will just counter it by standard Tora Bora phrases like “Dalit rape… wendy bachao… rape rape… wendy mere paas aaoo! “

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Two Masters’ arguments, enhanced the prestige of this blog.
    One clearly showing a deep knowledge and other’s is very superficial, if not prejudiced.
    I remember, that after getting Eklavy’s thumb, may be out of feeling of guilt or feeling overwhelmed with his obedience, Drona also gave him blessing/ boon.
    As for a name changing is concerned, Ravi, me writing wendy’s name as niger in place of Doniger, was not a deliberate mistake, which you are stressing so much.
    If you care to see your answer, you will see that halfway through in your answer, you are continuously using word Darona for Drona. I believe it is also unintentional. Again you are quoting some one Kanch llaiah, you are giving impression that you are doing just name dropping. I will be more interested to know, your interpretation of events narrated rather than getting respective writer’s interpretation. Command over language, which you have, will be enhanced, if you show deep knowledge about subject that you are broaching.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    Allow me to dissent a trifle bit.

    Gopi has written a more complete story of Eklavya, in that respect his narration of the story is more detailed than Wendy’s or mine. What interpretation he has provided can be described as classic orthodox point of view. One does not have to read Wendy’s book to find the conventional interpretation repeated.

    We all know the story from the perspective of Darona as well as the author. What Wendy is trying to find in the very same story (which is written with the Aryan VOICE) is a hint of a voice which can represent Eklavya. This leads to a different and an unorthodox interpretation of the very same story but this time from the perspective of Eklavya. That is its value and throws light on the affect casteist attitudes of those days had on those who were on the receiving end of it.

    In much the same way as if a theatre director directs OTHELO from the perspective of Desdemona. This may then be labelled as a feminist slant on a well-respected Shakespearian play. The story remains the same but the perspective and subtle emphasis changes.

    As far your misspelling of Wendy’s name is concerned, I noted that yesterday and dismissed it because it was obviously an error. However today’s jibe is made against BVS because he repeated your error knowingly and maliciously. I know you are a fan of his and may find this unacceptable, but that was my intent.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Being a fan is something and being partial to someone is different. I have never been partial to his arguments. But having said that I do not agree with him on many a points, particularly, his use of harsh language at the drop of hat. I have repeatedly asked him to moderate.
    As far as hegemony is concerened, no body can be a hegemon here. No body can hold anybody’s fingers to type a post. It is with better arguments that one can impress/ convince others.
    Yes, the beauty of a great work is that it can be seen/ interpretated in so many ways. Ordinary piece of work lacks this.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am not in conflict here with Gopi or with orthodox interpretations of our scriptures. I know and respect them.

    But that does not mean I am closed to alternative interpretations.

    For holding that position, I have been subjected to relentless abuse from – you know who they are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    End of the day it is just an interpretation. Some may find it refreshing, some will abhor, some will outright dismiss, some will abuse her and some will read her, smile, ignore and move on. That’s what we all are.
    Different people with different point of view on the
    same subject.

    Ravi Reply:

    And I have never suggested any thing different.

    Other people have suggested that I consider her work to be the truth. I do not.

    I do not consider even the original work as the TRUTH. Because who knows what TRUTH is.

    As Francis Bacon said “What is truth said jesting Pilate and would not wait for an answer”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Mythology is subjective truth. One does not need a proof to believe.
    Belief itself is a truth for that person.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Mythological characters do not have birth places and build subterranean bridges.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How did I get into this? But you are right about place of birth and bridges.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    According to some this
    is mythology and some believe it as truth.

    And bhai mere mera naam to change mat karo.

    Ravi Reply:

    Sorry god for this pleasant slip

    Anonymous Reply:

    And bhai mere mera naam to change mat karo.

    Kyoon? Meraa naam itnaa burraa hai yaa main burraa hoon ki gaali lagti hai?

    Anonymous Reply:

    And one person, perhaps only one person in this world, this fake who calls himself Ravi, worships her for two reasons: she is a ‘gori’ and the purpose of her pseudo scholarship is to denigrate Hindus and Hindu scriptures, for which her worshipper loves and worships her.

    It doesn’t matter to him that she has only reflected, like a cheap mirror, what other so called scholars have written.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, your asking this fake Ravi to show deep knowledge about our epics is like asking Kader Khan to sing raag bhairavi.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    Excellent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Respect.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    great explanation of one of the most interesting characters and episodes in the great epic, Mahabharata.

    The quality of Vyasa’s scholarship and the scope of his narration is so vast and great, a hundred Wendys with their pens dipped in the most potent anti-Hindu poison cannot harm Hinduism and its treasure troves.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Veda Vyasa has exquisitely carved out the story of humanity with every characters connected and anchored to his central theme. What is even more interesting is that, how some of these are woven into daily lives and arts even after 4000 years – be it Kathakali here or Yakshagana there, be it Odyssy dance in Puri or Mohini Attam in kerala .. I wish the so called historians or alternate historians examined how the story of krishna and Radha spread through the subcontinent of people with different languages and customs and beliefs, how certain common concepts were developed, how Jayadeva’s ashtapadi is still sung in various kerala temples to wake up the Gods while elsewhere in India bhajagovindam is dead… Those are the real explorations; and not whether Drona was a racist..

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi.

    How refreshing to see some people here willing to discuss the content and style of Wendy Doniger’s work, rather than her her-self or even her name. The label manufacturers of course found unfathomable mirth in twisting her name. Reminded me of my childhood in the gali mohalla where I grew up, children twisting each other’s name having lost the arguement .

    I will make my contributions on major points of content.

    What Wendy could or could not have done is a matter of conjecture. It is like saying it would have been better if Wright Brothers had spent their energy on making SHIPS iceberg safe. They didn’t and neither did Wendy do what Gopi expected of her. Criticising one for not doing something in preference to evaluating what they did is of no academic value, but it does provide a cheap shot from a believer to an academic.

    If using today’s norms to interpret yesterday’s life is a big No No, then there is no point of History Books. I know of no Historian, who has painstakingly created criteria based on values of our ancient society, so that he is able to interpret ancient texts from the perspective of ancient society. What would be the point of it? I submit that all interpretations of our scriptures – every single one of them – are interpretation from the perspective of the times and values of the historian and not of their secondary source. In that respect Wendy is very large and good company of other Historians.

    It is true that the word Hindu did not exist in ancient times. So what? The ancient scriptures have CONTINUOUSLY belonged to people whom we now identify as Hindus. That is good enough.

    Wendy and Ravi do not castigate Dronacharya, they merely interpret his character contextualised in the Indian society to which he belonged. This interpretation includes warts and all and is true of many other aspects of our culture and traditions which now do not measure well against liberal contemporary values. The caste system and its rigidity is criticized not just by Wendy alone. Just reading an eye opening book POST-HINDU-INDIA by Kanch Ilaiah, no doubt he too is applying contemporary values to interpret our ancient and noble culture.

    Drona So Gopi how did Darona know that he was training his own killer. Please explain what mechanisms are involved in obtaining sons by means of Tapas and how roles can be pre-ordained. Are these not interpretations/commentary added by the author to the basic tale. Like literary device to sustain the internal logic of the story. Same question can be asked about how could anyone have foreseen the Mahabharta. If you are a believer – and there are millions who are – then a logical explanation is superfluous to one’s devotion. However, if one is an academic then it is fair enough to ask, how one can foresee into the future. The only explanation is that it is a literary device employed to maintain audience’s interest as well as to provide justifications demanded by the basic tale.

    Not only Darona but the entire society of the time was casteist. This is nothing more than stating the facts. Condemning Darona’s behaviour – which was in-line with behaviour of the entire then society – would be plain wrong. Wendy does not condemn Darona, merely says that Indian society of the time was casteiist and that it is reflected in the literature of the time. I relate to Darona’s character in a positive way and find him fascinating even inspirational despite the fact that he was casteist.

    Eklavya is an interesting character. He was a Tribal Prince free to roam the jungle. His story is there by way of illustration of conflict between SETTLERS (Aryans) and FREE Tribals. The dog here projects the values of his owner’s by barking at a STRANGER Eklavya – who probably looked and smelt different. Why he was not acceptable as a student by others is a form of discrimination and worthy of note as well as criticism. Why did Pandava’s behaved the way they did is open to analysis and to quest for an explanation and that is what Wnedy tries to do using all the academic tools at her disposal. To me her explanation – may not be true – but it is credible.

    Why Eklavya had to give his thumb for non-existing training that he received from a clay model of his adopted guru? Is a question that still baffles me.

    Any answers?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is very unbecoming of anyone labeling person(s) who provide an (‘unpalatable’) alternative narrative and also shows one’s intolerance and disrespect of other people’s scholarship.

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  • Anonymous

    Explained: Who benefits from Tatra trucks deal

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_explained-who-benefits-from-tatra-trucks-deal_1669584

    A criminal complaint in the Czech Republic alleges that the entire profit from the sale of Tatra trucks to India goes to Ravindra Rishi�s Vectra Group and not to Tatra Czech, the original equipment manufacturer (OEM).

    The complaint says Rishi misuses his position in Tatra Czech�s board to enable Tatra Sipox, owned by his Vectra Group, to buy knocked down trucks from Tatra Czech at below production cost
    .
    BEML buys trucks from Tatra Sipox at a high price. This violates defence procurement guidelines that say defence procurements must be made from the original equipment manufacturer (OEM).

    BEML sells trucks to the Indian Army.

    ————-

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Which part of it is grossly wrong ?

    1) Tatra, Czeck selling trucks to Tatra Sipox without margin?

    2) Tatra Sipox having equation with BEML ?

    3) BEML sourcing Tatra from Tatra Sipox ?

    4) BENL selling trucks to the army ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t
    1) BEML (a public sector undertaking) at fault) for buying it from Vectra, instead of from Tatra, Czech?

    or

    2) The Ministry of Defence at fault for buying it from BEML instead of directly from Tatra Czech?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BEML assembles the trucks through a licensed production agreement with Tatra Sipox UK Ltd.

    BEML had first entered into an agreement with Tatra AS of Czechoslovakia in 1986, when the Congress was in power. After the first agreement expired and when Czechoslovakia itself was dismantling, the defence ministry signed another agreement with Tatra Sipox UK Ltd, a subsidiary of the original Czech company, in 1997 when the United Front was in power. Between 1986 and 1997, the ownership of Tatra had also changed hands.

    -

    It is alleged that the army chief was a friend of the chairman of Calcutta-based Indo-Russian joint venture Ural India, Jugal Kishore Saraf. He was also pushing for a deal for trucks that would cut into Tatra’s share before Gen. V.K. Singh retired on May 31.

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Dollinger also claims that it is unlikely that Ved Vyasa wrote the whole
    Mahabharat and Valmiki wrote whole original Ramayan as they are too great books for a single author.

    Here also she using today’s norms and interpreting ancient times.

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    Ravi Reply:

    And what is wrong with that?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Nothing wrong with that. Like other things she is just assuming. While some people are
    taking her seriously acording acording to me she should be ignored.

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    Ravi Reply:

    In that case I hope you do not mind if I take her seriously.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Why shoud I mind? Everyone is entitled to his opinion and likings. Even on this
    blogs I have liked few of the things you have written and some I have disagreed
    with and few I have ignored.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A frivolous jihadi taking a frivolous Hindu baitor seriously is seriously funny.

  • Anonymous

    Innovative way by Bangalore’s Ramesh Ramanathan to reduce corruption
    and it is working.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/using-the-web-to-fight-corruption-1.1001921

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks,Mohan.

    A standing ovation to Mr. Ramesh Ramanathan and his tribe.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    he better watch out. they will mow him down like they did in MP

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I hope not. We neen such people.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Great. What a terrific use of technology to fight this evil of corruptio. I remember, Banglore also has a voluntary organization, which draws hundreds of youth on every weekend to take cause of sanitation in city and that has also worked wonders there.

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  • Anonymous

    Engrich

    You should worry because your pal Ravi is supporting the ideology oof an Islamophobe called Wendy Doniger.

    You know Wendy has written such atrocious **** against ISlam like , ” The mouth of a black burqa clad woman is like a vagina inviting rape…. minarets are like penises…”

    Very sad. Let us all try to retrain Ravi to respect Islam.

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    Ravi Reply:

    From 72 virgins to vagina and penises is progress of a kind.

    Let’s celebrate it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Progress indeed (never mind in which direction). What next?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am just quoting wendy doniger :) who you appreciate and want the world to follow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    appreciate is Ok, but worship?

    Wendy should subject Mr.Walrus to her (in)famous psychoanalysis. May be she will get enough jihadi material for her next three books on Islamic fundamentalism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    absolutely brilliant. we the bloggers will give inputs to wendy… !

    Ravi Reply:

    It is absolutely true that I very much appreciate Wedndy Doniger.

    She is a billion times better and saner than the Salwarpehankar and Golimarkar whom you support and want the world to follow.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ HOW SHALLOW CAN AMERICAN ~~ intrepretation of Indian history can be ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    here is a true story:
    —————————

    She was blond haired, blue eyed, had a smile of a thousand watts and sitting alone at a coffee table in Delhi’s Triveni kala Sangam.

    Destiny had ensured we would…..

    Share

    a coffee together … as there was no other table available!

    Now I was waiting for a close friend who I swear, would have pulled out my hair, in case it would have been anything more than a coffee anyway :)

    As it happened we got to talk and soon Georgina– told me the reason for being in India, straignt from Albama.

    “looking for peace… I went to Osho ashram in Pune… got disappointed and now fascinated with krishna…” She said

    Well her Krishna was very different from the krishna I had learnt about from my mother, books, and TV and films.

    She was a nice girl with a smile which would have made a stone melt and I would never want to make fun of her.

    But somehow the Krishna which was portrayed in the US… was a person of innumerable orgasms and countless girlfriends.

    I explained to her that in India there is a more nuanced approach. The flirtations in Krishna lela are flirtations and just that. The giggles of sahelis…. cannot be given a contemperory new York intrepretation….

    She heard me out… and I hope understood what I said.

    I have’nt seen her since. Though of course her magical smile….. still remains…. a memory….

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Good piece Vijay.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    As usual you have left out the main part. What did you both do after that
    meeting ?

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  • Anonymous

    Mirwaz Umar Faroq of Huriyath is am ISI employee — fru…g Kashmiri so called moderates who r double dealers
    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/newswallah-bharat-edition-33/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Was there any doubt?

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  • Anonymous

    Ex-Punjab minister Bibi Jagir Kaur gets VIP treatment in jail, officials touch her feet

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ex-Punjab-minister-Bibi-Jagir-Kaur-gets-VIP-treatment-in-jail-officials-touch-her-feet/articleshow/12482187.cms

    Hardly a few hours after her conviction and arrest on Friday evening, former Punjab cabinet minister Jagir Kaur continued to wield political influence even as a prisoner of law.

    Video footage emerging from Patiala and Kapurthala jails clearly shows that Jagir Kaur, who was convicted of criminal conspiracy and other charges in the mysterious death of her 19-year-old daughter, Harpreet Kaur, in April 2000 and sent to jail, was availing VIP treatment despite her conviction and arrest.

    ————-

    She was led into a waiting air-conditioned grey-coloured Toyota Innova luxury vehicle to be taken to the Patiala central jail.

    Within hours of her being sent to the jail, her request to be transferred to the Kapurthala central jail, nearly 200 km from Patiala, was “promptly” acceded to. Jagir Kaur, who is head of a cash-rich “dera” (sect) in Begowal village, belongs to the district.

    Jagir Kaur was, late on Friday night, driven under police escort, which looked more like a ministerial convoy rather than being that of a convicted criminal, in another white-coloured private air-conditioned Toyota Innova. In the car, she was accompanied by only one woman police official seated next to her.

    ————–

    Punishment Indian VIP ‘ishtyle’. Nothing to be surprised at. Remember Laloo and BSY.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    In Nvy Nagar, Colaba, there is a very good Golf Course. Once I saw, Film actor Rajkumar, playing Golf there, so civilians can also go there as a guest, I believe.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Thanks. I played there once in an Inter-Club competition. They have managed to build a 18-hole course within a very small area – a number of holes share the same fairway, etc.

    As it is under the armed forces, they are very very reluctant to have civilians as members, perhaps justified as may be more and more people in uniform have taken up golf and the oft quoted reason – security of the military area. Yes, Raaj Kumar used to be an avid golfer, never saw him playing, except in a movie or two.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    In Navy nagar, The flat of martayar, Captain of Khukri’s flat was just opposite to my friend’s flat. What soberity the whole neighbourhood had, felt very proud that day.
    So yes, defence is pampered, everywhere in World, also kept insulated from civil life for all the good reasons, but at the call of duty, they make ultimate sacrifice, without hesitation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    I agree with you. I have watched from close quarters for eight long years, when I was working in the AHQ branch of our bank. I have personally met a dozen army and navy chiefs, several hundred Lt.Generals, Vice Admirals and countless brigadiers, commodores, colonels and lower ranked officers.

    In these eight years the most memorable lesson I learnt was that of the dedication these people had for the country and to the service, besides an extraordinary degree of pride in their uniforms.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    About forgetting.
    A Punjabi bhai had the spirit of never say die or admit that he can not know everything( so typical of those people). At the height of popularity of Mahabharat, some body asked him, how many children Pandu had- Five, he said proudly. Can you name them? Ofcourse, he retorted. First -Dhishtar, te- Peem, ek hor te ek hor te ek pool gaya. viva punjabis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Good that he was not asked names of Dhirtrashtra’s children, otherwise he would be still saying ek hor ek hor ek hor ek hor ek hor.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ha!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are three things I always forget: names, faces and …. I can’t remember the other.
    – Italo Svevo

    Aron Ettore Schmitz (December 19, 1861 – September 13, 1928), better known by the pseudonym Italo Svevo, was an Italian writer and businessman, author of novels, plays, and short stories.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Remembered a joke, where professor laid the stick to bed and stood beside hat/ stick hanger.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Aap ka Naam to man ko har ne wala hai, yeh gaali kaise ho sakti hai. What Mohan is saying is that Talking to London while looking at Tokyo is not correct. Kahin pe nigahen kahi pe ….

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    I am not able to reply to your post about our names may be something to do with my computer. I am replying it here.

    Manohar = Jo man har le.
    Mohan = jo mohit kar de.

    At this age I am no more interested in stealing hearts, I would prefer people getting
    mohit by me. (: (:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    but, what about losing your heart?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Even if try to lose my heart, I doubt anyone would be interested.

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  • Anonymous

    another cause for concern by foreign investors…NY Times story today

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/tribunal-suspends-approval-of-posco-steel-

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  • Anonymous

    about China/US ninvolvement to share Mayanmar mining and petroleum interests. Is India doing anything?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/world/asia/myanmar-reforms-set-us-and-china-in-race-for-sway.html

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  • Anonymous

    A century of cinema
    BARADWAJ RANGAN

    Ninety-nine years ago, Dadasaheb Phalke made a movie about a king who never lied. The king couldn’t have lied even if he wanted to. The film was silent. But today, with so many films being made in so many languages, what will we be celebrating, really, when we raise a toast to a century of our cinema?

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/magazine/article3265543.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpts

    Like the nation of India, the notion of Indian cinema is simultaneously specific and frustratingly vague. What is Indian cinema? Cinema that is made in India, certainly. But what else? Is it the cinema that spins stories about India and Indians? In that case, would “Gandhi”, the story of the most famous Indian of them all, qualify as Indian cinema, even if its makers are from outside India? Or is Indian cinema identified by narration in a particular style, a recognisably Indian style, hearts on sleeves, songs and dances? By that definition, Thiagarajan Kumararaja’s “Aaranya Kaandam” may not quite be Indian cinema. Though made in Tamil and mounted against heated Tamils, it speaks a clinical language of film from cooler climes. Does Indian cinema denote the films made after the country was freed from her fetters? In that case, “Raja Harischandra”, whose centenary has sparked these celebrations, isn’t really an Indian film because it was made in a British colony. We should have to wait for Independence to begin talking about Indian cinema.

    ———

    We might even celebrate the gradual encroachment of Indian cinema not just into New York but also onto the august pages of the New York Times, where Indian films are now reviewed like films in other foreign languages. But the tone of these reviews is a slap of cold wind, a blustering reality check that our films are treated, mostly, with arch amusement and a benign tolerance for a crazy people who sing and dance and just cannot be taken seriously.

    ———-

    Almost all our films from the pre-digital era are damaged in some form, and even if we don’t have — as Hollywood does — a system of enshrining classics in National Film Registries, we might at least ensure that acceptable prints are available to future generations.

    ============

    “a benign tolerance for a crazy people who sing and dance”

    The grammar of our films include songs and dances. So be it. The result what a fantastic repertoire of music/songs we have been blessedwith. In Hindi language films, we have had a golden age of music (IMO from 1949 to 1977 – take or leave a year or two) . Again, IMO, 1958, 1959 and 1960 were the peak years of this age.

    Some of the artisans (in no particular order) who have made it possible – Shankar Jaikishan, S D Burman, Madan Mohan, C Ramchandra, Naushad Ali, Khayyam, Kalyanji Anandji, Mohammad Rafi, Lata Mangeshkar, Mukesh, Asha Bhosle, Geeta Dutt, Talat Mehmood, Manna Dey, Kishore Kumar, Shailendra, Hasrat Jaipuri, Rajinder Krishan, Sahir Ludhianvi, Majrooh Sultanpuri, Qamar Jalalabadi, Shakeel Badayuni – the list is too long to include everybody. I salute these souls to giving us so much joy.

    It would be true of films in other languages too.

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  • Anonymous

    Gods go out in style in Gods Own Land

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI04wZFxAjs&feature=related

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    the utsav is magnificent. The caparisoned elephants are majestic. The vadya ensemble is “bhaktipradaayak”.

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  • Anonymous

    A kick-in-the-*** logic:

    Gangu Bai: Itane sare log football ko lath kyon maar rahe hain?
    Ramu kaka : Gol karne ke liye.
    Gangu bai : gol hi to hai, aur kitna gol karenge?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy sahab;
    Wah.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Wah bhaiya Wah . Had a good laugh.

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  • Anonymous

    Notice the points about UNCTAD .

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  • Anonymous

    Sanjay

    I missed your question regarding the appropriation of the great Indian epics.

    They are the old India’s(including the dismembered pieces’ – although Pakistan has worked overtime to severe any relationship and claim linkage and heritage to Saudi Arabia; in fact many of them call themselves middle eastern), new India’s and Indians’ books. These are the stories the people of subcontinent told their children on cold nights and starry nights. Although a Christian, I am essentially a product of that lineage. In fact, Ravi Mathai, the Christian founder/first director of IIM Ahmedabad was called a “Rishi” by his coeducators, his students, and many others.

    In fact, isn’t the notion of waking up the God, feeding the God, arranging for the afternoon nap of the God, lighting for the God in the evening, singing to him so he can sleep well, dancing to him etc a soothing one where he is a friend, companion, playmate.. could it be that the civilization survived six thousand years because of this friendly nature with ones God without the concept of sin, heaven, hell …so people just evolved as time passed on…

    btw God occasionally goes out for a visit in style.. the Utube below is the “pooram” festival in a famous Shiva temple in kottayam (a stronghold of Chritians) .. Gods across all the big temples of kerala will travel like this in next two months on elephants accompanied by music, drums..

    Good night, we will continue tomorrow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Your second sher is apt in describing western countries. Never know kab pairon
    ke neeche se zamin kheench lenge. I think this BRICS is a good idea. All these countries can deal with each other without involving western countries. I believe
    focus should be avoiding dealing in US Dollars among each others. Local currencies
    of each country should be used in import export.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    As usual very impressive. Thanks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I am deeply touched and stirred by the arousal of nostalgia your post has created.

    The early morning bhajans in our temples where we used to sing in chorus Purandhara Das and Kanaka Das kritis (by the way, a dalit who is worshipped as a saint who, by his bhakti, made Lord krishnaturn 180degrees in his seat in the Udupi temple), the afternoon and evening poojas, the utsavs through the streets where the deity is paraded in all His glory, the annual rathotsavams, all these show that Indians have been in touch and close contact with God for six thousand years without a break. This gay-abandon, free-from restraints religion is indeed unique to India.

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  • Anonymous

    BRICS ……
    A good article on BRICS by Vijay Prashad.
    Read on at :
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/30/five-challengers-of-the-neoliberal-jackboot/
    Notice the points about UNCTAD.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh and others

    What do we make out of BRICS?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    A ton

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha for demonstrating your juvenile stupidity , intellectual
    inadequacy and non-existent debating skills. One ha for the clapper boy(s).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I will be very careful in future telling a joke when discussing with you.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Went to the article and read it. finannces and UNO is not my Fort, however from a lay person’s perspective, let us try to discuss it as much as to my ability and understanding.
    Taking each state separately, Russia- though no longer a communist state, owner of almost unlimited natural resources, even now, may has world’s largest reserve of oil, waiting to be exploited, has its economy in shambles. It can not visualize to have economic prosperity without help of west. It needs dollars and technology for that. China, booming economy, largest reserve of dollars, but mostly economy is based in manufacturing and related with trade with west. Heavy investment from west and god forbid, if hard pressed, really hard, west may withdraw its investment and close or restrict its market. China can not afford that. India, Population is asset and curse both. relative economical boom is beacuase of favorable glances from west. Brazil- very rich in natural resources, neo tiger in South America but can not think about cutting trade from west, dependent on west for technologies. South Africa, almost in the same boat. West understand its superiority, which it has developed with present day system and would like to continue its hegemony through all the tricks available to it. That is human weakness and unfortunately not much can be done about it. Should this stranglehold of west be broken, ofcourse, if one can do it. What it will take to do it? many unpleasant decisions rsulting into economical deprivation to large segment of population, are Brick countries ready for that, can they face backlash from their own population, unlikely. So both west and rest are interdependent and if west looks for cheap labour and natural resources,, rest look for ready cash and technologies, each is trying to make best of the bargain.
    having said this I would like to quote two shers, may be relevant or may be not.
    Khudi ko kar buland itna ki har takdir se pahile, khuda bande se khud poochhe, bata teri Raza kya hai.
    Second- Chand taron se baat kar te ho, kaise yaaron se baat karte ho. Dil main har insaan ke Khuda dekho, kyun mazaron se baat karte ho.
    Kheechn lenge paaon se ye zamin, kin saharon se baat karte ho.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    By mistake I posted this one to Gopiji.

    Your second sher is apt in describing western countries. Never know kab pairon
    ke neeche se zamin kheench lenge. I think this BRICS is a good idea. All these countries can deal with each other without involving western countries. I believe
    focus should be avoiding dealing in US Dollars among each others. Local currencies
    of each country should be used in import export.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh & Pankaj

    From TOI article

    Today, the BRICS countries account for 25% of global GDP based on the purchasing power parity of national currencies; 30% of land area and 45% of the world’s population. The bloc’s contribution to global economic growth has now reached almost 50%, making this group the principal driver of global economic development. “Last year, trade between the BRICS countries stood at around $230 billion and we are targeting $500 billion by 2015. We all are important countries in our respective regions and we want the world architecture to be more inclusive,” says Maria Reis, the top Brazilian diplomat for BRICS affairs, also known as the ‘BRICS Sherpa’ . “We are not against anyone but we want changes in terms of transparency in global affairs.”

    ————

    The questions are
    1) whether it is or will be a force to reckon with and
    2) a sustainable entity?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar and Pankaj,
    A larger part of what BRICS articulates against has to do with un-even and un-fair distribution when it comes to consumption. Post 2008 it has become even more accentuated as BRICS bloc. has been consistently voicing – an argument , another one there – about the quantitative easing (which essentially translates to “let us print money out of thin air”) West (esp. US) has done. As you might have read in the article – notice how the langiuage overlaps with UNCTAD’s which is arguing strongly against the role of finance capital in jacking up the prices in commodity market (esp . oil).
    Secondly, atleast three of these five countries have not so pleasant memories of treatment handed them out by IMF/ World-bank . This time around these countries are counter-posing the argument to West insisting fairness.
    As for its being a force to reckon with and sustainability – truly not much can be said for a simple reason that predicting future is terribly risky business. World history is full of random events that have altered the course of history. That said – atleast the start has been on the assertive footing. As evidence – look at the resolution adapted on Iran . Only very very tone deaf could miss the stern tone.
    Incidentally, a small anecdote here from within past week or so.
    Tim Geithner – US Treasury Secretary – assured a senate committee about India “co-operating” on Iranian sanctions issue .
    Now read this carefully – a US Treasury Secretary who has something very less to do with Foreign relations is discussing the “Iran topic” with a senate committee. What is resonating here is the currency angle here – India and Iran are trading in non-USD currency. Further add the BRICS resolution on Iran – what we see is a large emerging faultline on Global theatre.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Mahesh. I have yet to form a view on BRICS.

  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Considering your bachelor hood, just two observations. Evolution says, use it or lose it. be aware.
    second is rule of hand. no, i do not mean congress rule. Strtch your right hand in front of yo, palm facing left of you and dorsum, facing right. now splay your fingers.,Counting from your thumb as thirty year of age, next forty and henceforth, get required warning.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Thanks for the warning !! I k now you meant it in good spirits… and I am only too aware it…
    Your dialogue is temendous !! 50 has the longest finger… is it so !

    Of course I have to do my duty and leave my genes behind…

    I was also scared that you were advising me that one can lose the lines of the hand !

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bhai, mere Bhai;
    lagta hai bura maan gaye. no more private jokes. OK?

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  • Anonymous

    HIZBU MUJAHIDEEN ADMITS FAILURE OF ITS TERROR TACTICS
    ==============++++++++++++++++++========================

    Hizbul chief, Syed Salahuddin says Muslim countries only give lip service to the cause of Kashmiri freedom(?). All but admits jihad is over in Kashmir.

    Here is, in his own words, how he defines good things about India:

    “Good-India is not a country, but a sub-continent. It is a huge multi-lingual and multi-religious country. If India remained intact despite its social and cultural diversity, it was onlyu due to its leadership. When the interest of the interests of the couyntery si at stake, the leaders do forget their personal and party interests and become one”.

    Here is an appeal to fake Ravi and engrich:

    If you are Indians like the rest of us, then discard this jihad and douse the fires of hatred.
    If you both are Pakistanis, run and hide in Tora Bora and do not ever return.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is that an invitation to join the RSS and become F U N D O like you.

    Is there a Kali Topi waiting for us.

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  • Anonymous

    Tatra truck deal: Antony faces jail for neglect of duty?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Rs-33k-cr-rural-jobs-scheme-didnt-work-admits-Govt/articleshow/12487298.cms

    Defence minister A K Antony had better come up with a “reasonable excuse” for waking up to corruption allegations in the Tatra deal two years after they had been brought to his notice. For, he would otherwise be liable for a criminal offence punishable with imprisonment up to six months.

    ———-

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Stand down, soldier!

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/Stand-down-soldier/Article1-833578.aspx

    No one has come out smelling of roses in these fisticuffs between chief of the army staff General VK Singh and the government. I can’t help but feel bad for the next army chief who will be inheriting what is clearly a ghastly mess. The whole drama with Gen Singh as the main protagonist would have
    been amusing had it not been for the fact that someone, somewhere seems to be playing ducks and drakes with defence purchases and that we are surrounded by neighbours many of whom we would not exactly invite over for a drink.

    —————

    Why, for instance, has Gen Singh left all his bluster about dodgy defence dealing for just a letter? Surely as army top cat, he could have — should have — taken action to set things right. He did not. Let’s also assume for a moment that Gen Singh, thwarted by the government on the issue of his age, is firing in all directions. What is not in doubt is that he brought the issue of being offered a Rs 14 crore bribe to the notice of the defence minister with the proviso that he did not want to proceed on it.

    Which doesn’t make defence minister AK Antony look pretty either? He tells Gen Singh to look into it and tells him that bribe-givers must not be entertained. Quite.

    ———

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  • Anonymous

    PP Longstocking

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/IndrajitHazra/PP-Longstocking/Article1-833582.aspx

    I don’t like President Pratibha Patil. And it’s personal. I’m sure I wouldn’t have been, well, impolite if she had been a lawyer, a politician or even a governor of a state. But being the president of India requires some qualities that Patil doesn’t have. In fact, she has qualities that are
    totally un-presidential, unless some warped branding of India was being sought.

    ——
    We’ve not always had mental giants or ambassadors of elegance as presidents. Zail Singh may have been a precursor to Santa-Banta SMS jokes but he had a, well, personality. APJ Abdul Kalam had a way with kids and pulpit-banging patriotism that continues to go down well with nerds. Again, he was a ‘presence’. Truly ‘presidential’ presidents in the recent past such as KR Narayanan may be hard to come by (and perhaps not sought after for harbouring a mind of their own), but even in the fish tank of loyalists from which the UPA government selected its nomination for the 12th president of India in 2007, surely there could have been someone more — sorry, I simply can’t avoid the word — presentable.

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  • Anonymous

    This is hilarious
    ——-
    Hushing the files
    Manas Chakravarty

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/ViewsSectionPage/ColumnsOthers/Hushing-the-files/Article1-833587.aspx

    The government said records pertaining to the imposition of emergency in India in 1975 have gone missing from the Prime Minister’s Office.
    — Indo-Asian News Service, March 21, 2012 Here’s my interview of the government officer in charge of the archives, whose official designation is
    Librarian and Information Archives Registrar (Liar).
    Me: How did these very important documents simply vanish?
    Liar: Well, actually, the dog…….
    Me: Oh come on, sir, you’re not going to give me that old cliché about the dog eating it.
    Liar: Of course not. Dogs don’t eat paper. We had this goat in the yard, so that the staff could have goat’s milk. But a dog used to roam the neighbourhood and it often went after the goat. So we brought the goat into the room where the documents were kept. Trouble was, it liked the taste of the archives and chewed about half of them before we realised what was happening.
    Me: Sounds fishy to me.
    Liar: Goat-ey. You’re right, there’s another theory. Thieves broke into the archives a few years ago. When we checked, the only thing missing were the records about the Emergency.
    Me: Was it the government?
    Liar: No, no, my sources tell me it was Pakistan’s General Kayani. He wanted to take over power and needed to find a way to do it democratically. He thought the documents on the Emergency could help. Of course, it could also be a Bollywood director who wanted to make a movie out of it. But I don’t believe that.
    Me: What’s your guess?
    Liar: I blame the flood. The files from X-Z were stacked at the bottom of the filing cabinet. Someone left the taps in the loo open one night and next morning we found the room flooded with water. The papers at the bottom of the cabinet were lost.
    Me: But why should the files about the Emergency be under X-Z?
    Liar: The filing clerk was from Tamil Nadu. He filed it under Y for Yemergency.

    ———-

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Why are wives more dangerous than the Mafia? The mafia wants either ur money or life… The wives want both!

    ====

    Marriage is like a public toilet Those waiting outside are desperate to
    get in & Those inside are desperate to come out.

    ====

    No Man Can Ever Be Satisfied
    with 4 things in life.
    (1) Mobile
    (2) Automobile
    (3) TV
    (4) Wife
    Because there is always a better model in neighborhood.

    ===

    Searching these keywords on Goo gle `How to tackle wife?`
    Google search result, `Good day sir, Even we are searching`.

    ===

    Compromising does not mean you are wrong and your wife is right. It
    only means that the safety of your head is much more important than
    your ego!

    ===

    Imagine living with 3 wives in one compound and never leaving the house
    for 5 years.Osama Bin Laden must have called the US Navy Seals himself

    ===

    A friend recently explained why he refuses to get to married.
    He says the wedding rings look like miniature handcuffs.

    ===

    It is said that when a woman closes her eyes, she sees the person she
    love the most; and when a man does that… the slide show begins.

    ===

    It takes thousand workers 2 build a castle, Million soldiers to protect
    a country, but just One woman 2 make a Happy Home ——— A Good
    Maid!

    ===

    Funny quote on a husband`s T-Shirt:
    All girls are devils,
    but my wife is the queen
    . . . . .of them!!!

    ===

    ===

    No English dictionary has been able to explain the difference between the words ‘COMPLETE’ Vs ‘FINISHED’ in a way that’s so easy to understand:

    When you marry the right one, you are COMPLETE.

    When you marry the wrong one,you are FINISHED.

    And when the right one catches you with the wrong one, you are COMPLETELY FINISHED. it is call vicious circal of Wedding Ring…… your wife is ring master……

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Osama was “living” with three wives, but when the Navy seals broke into his room, he was watching pornographic video!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Teally gr8 !! The video was called… “tell it to the goats…” !

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Nearly all of them are original. Enjoyed them immensely. thanks.

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  • Anonymous

    Will this nice gentleman Mr. Antony go to jail in this army trucks fiasco.?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tatra-truck-deal-Antony-faces-jail-for-neglect-of-duty/articleshow/12488251.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Gopi,

    If Antony goes to jail, it will be for being non-corrupt and incorruptible. It would also be, sadly, for being ineffecient and ineffective. Sadder still is that 14 ministers on Kejriwal’s list are still roaming free, while Antony is facing “karagarwaas”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    You are right; looks like he is caught for his ineptitude ..
    Or, is this all a drama to deny him the presidency — theer was a talk at one time to elevate him to the Presidency.. but now with Congress in deep trouble they cannot have their party man as the President. They will have to go for Maulyam or somebody else outside the party

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Mulayam the president would be like daku mangal singh ke sab khoon maaf..

    Anonymous Reply:

    The problem with Mr. Antony, whose known as ‘Saint Antony’ in political circles is very very careful in maintaining his image of a saint, that many a times he refrains from taking (crucial) decisions lest he be accused of any hanky-panky.

    Surely he will not go to jail. Politicians rarely do and if one does, then you get a VVIP treatment as being out to Bibi Jagit Kaur and Laloo earlier.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    Thanx for the barbs ! I appreciate them. Like I said I dont get rattled easily in life and only toss back in case it is anti India…

    Anyway you had such appreciation for Wendy doniger intrepreting Hindu texts sexually… but such snide remarks against me that i should not talk about her denigration of Muslims …about Wendly labelling the mouth of a burqa covered woman as a vagina… toba toba,, !

    Is it becasue you need to back Ravi as he gives you some sort of protection….

    Or are you comfortable with fun being made of Hindu texts… but not that of any other religion,

    Your silence will give me the answer….

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    Ravi Reply:

    You do not READ anything but are keen to poke fun at those who do. You pick out phrases, out of their context and then employ them to discredit any author that you think is anti-India. It would be laughable if it wasn’t pathetic.

    I suggest you stick to Salwarpehankar and Golimarkar, their writings on your wavelength. Empty jingoism and much bleating of the dhol.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Raviji

    You area pathetic cariacutre of a jehadi ideologue. Just for a sttory line I am writing… would you have committed suicde in case you had been busted in Abbotabad like OSama? Or would you have fought to the end or even let yoursel fbe captured and then bleated out on your saathis…?

    I wikk be grateful in case you answer this one…

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    Ravi Reply:

    And you are no better than a two dimensional cartoon of a Hindu Fundo.

    A saffron terrorist in his own day dreams.

    You do know that the internet is full of text from our sacred books which are overtly sexual in nature. What would be your reaction if I was to dig them out and publish them and then say.

    I am only quoting our sacred books.

    If there is any one who is pathetic and a complete inadiquate here then clearly that is YOU who feels the need to quote out of context in order to score cheap frookhabadi points

    Anonymous Reply:

    rather than give bombasitc jehadi boring lectures… either support Wendy for calling the Mouth of a burqa covered woman a vagina inviting rape… or condemn her.

    period

    Ravi Reply:

    I’d sooner condemn Y O U for not reading her, making no attempt to understanding her. Instead beating the drum loud to show your own philistinism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Engrich will kill you in the cave… for joining hands with a woman who called Burqa clad women invite rape through their mouths…

    Ravi Reply:

    Pont less rant of a looser. A lot of noise signifying nothing

    Anonymous Reply:

    watch out for the bobbit knife..

    it may happen in tora bora tonite…

    Anonymous Reply:

    engrich will also kill you a second time for being a worshipper of a jew and for being a blind follower of a female called Wendy, which in his expert opinion, is a Zionst, brhmnst conspiracy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wendy – An “alternative” interpretation http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262511

    @Sanjay

    “..Then how come Hindus managed to appropriate those two books and call on their own ?
    If we call these two books of our own, then we only provided her the context. Why blame her ?..”

    What Wendy speaks about is the ancient history of India, which she tries to dub as Hindu and put it under the bracket of a religion. We protest as Indians for the misinterpretation of our culture. Remember, the one who is opposing her (Gopi) is not a Hindu in a conservative way. He is not protesting here as a Hindu but as an Indian who respects his roots.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    Not sure I get your point.

    I did suggest and will do it again, in case you missed.

    There has been continuous ownership of our sacred books by a population that we presently call Hindu’s.

    In that respect these are Hindu Sacred Books. I hope you did not mean to deny that.

    It may be that the very same books are accepted as artefacts of Indian cultural heritage by non-Hindu Indians, but these minorities may not accept them as SACRED. Afterall Indian Muslims do participate in Ram Lila, and Muslim musicians do sing Meera Bai’s bhajans as well as other sacred songs. They just do not believe them to a be part of their prayers.

    A religion is not made by a book alone; it requires, in addition, a large proportion of RITUALS and PRACTICES, surrounding these books for them to then belong to the religion.

    Gopi’s opposition is not cultural but orthodox devotional and Wendy’s attempt is an academic exercise to tease out of the same parables alternative voices that represent the minority sentiments.

    I will take a bet that you have not read the book, otherwise you would know that it is neither anti Hindu nor anti India.

    It is anti Hindu FUNDO. For that I salute her attempt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    you are utterly wrong. Islam is made by a book and book alone. All other things in Islam are peripheral.

    You have only shown that like all Islamic fundoos, you are ignorant about the place the book holds in Islam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,
    I find this contrived that you are basing your argument of yours on Gopi not being a Hindu.
    What has that anything to do with anything being discussed here ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinay

    Thx mate. Frankly I dont blame wendy. She is a victim of her education which is Freudian psychoanalysis , long proven worng and overtaken by behavioural studies undetaken by psychiatirists and psychologists.

    What I find comical about her is the desire to to re-invent all what is written in texts and give it the color or events of the social norms of today. Her freedom his hers. My freedom is to make fun of such an approach.

    THE BASIC ISSUE IS NOT TO ASSUME THAT WHAT SHE HAS WRITTEN IS TRUE BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE, AMERICAN, FEMALE AND FEMINIST.

    We can’t dismiss our culture and just say, she is right.. because she is white !

    Let me expand this further. The sexual mores in India are different from those in China or for that matter those in US. Contemperory sexual norms of the US cannot be imposed upon a nuanced society of say 2000 yrs back or even of time Ved Vyas wrote to produce an alaysis.

    In another context I have given an example of a nice American girl who was confused about Krishana. Again an American Ideal of unlimited orgasms was somehow propogated into her mind through.

    I have no monoply over Krishana… but all the festivals I have seen in Delhi, South india and Vrindavan…. it was all innocent fun. If ras leela and interactions with females was celeberated… or krishana’s penchant for butter… it was all playfull. Of course there is an element of sexuality… but then it is a subtle undertone.

    To twist in the modern context and create krishana into a playboy… would be pure fiction!!

    Ravi I think celeberates Wendy as she deugrates HIndus and calls it a caste ridden society, Gopi’s excellent reply proves that caste was never there then… though class distinction existed.

    Int he end … let me say I am a bit of an athiesit… who loves being a Hindu only because i can remain Hindu by being an atheist !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Maharaj,
    Kitnaa Saara bol dete ho ek hi breathe mein . Aakhir Kehna Kya chaah rahe ho ?
    As for the non-existence of Caste – Gopi has hardly put up any credible argument backing his claim.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont think caste was all that pervasive an issue as it is now being converted into.

    The battle between haves and have nots has been a 5000 story. To create it into totally a caste story is lack of brains.

    I was saying that histroy and texts are telescopes. View them to learn and enjoy. But to twist them to suit your WON modern day intrepretaion is an en academic excercise which may or may not roduce results. In Wendy’s case it produced a result based on her bias.

    For example burqas were supposed to protect women… though may be called irrelevent today. Her fantsy linking this to mouth being invitaion to rape, is just a perverse fantasy.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Great comments Vijay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Pankaj. just said ti strainght from teh heart…

    Anonymous Reply:

    your long “wending” reply has totally laid bare the fact that Ravi is an out and out worshipful blind follower of Wendy, because she is white and she has stolen his heart with her anti-Hindu rants.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh & Ravi,

    My response was towards Sanjay’s post which had addressed Gopi. I didn’t want to create a new thread, instead to just join in the debate. My response to him was for those quoted lines of him (which in fact was for Gopi). Is that making sense?
    Ravi, the weblink I provided accuses Wendy of rubbishing all her opponents as Hindu Fundoos ignoring the merit of the comments including moderate ones. What is your say on this?

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    Despite what Vijay and BVS say, I do not believe that Wnedy is above criticism. I will be very happy of you to criticise her content. I will be disappointed if you were to criticise HER.

    As for the article in the Outlook, which was in response to an interview that Wendy gave to the Print version of Outlook.

    I like Aditi’s article because she focuses mostly on content.

    Wendy was egged by a Hindu Fundo, she regularly receives threats from organised right-wing Hindu groups in USA. So it is possible that she over-reacted and labelled even genuine ordinary Hindus as Hindu Fundos. That should not distract us from her central hypothesis that it is possible to hear minority voices in our major works.

    Aditi’s article is still attacking her from an orthodox view point.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will be very happy of you to criticise her content. I will be disappointed if you were to criticise HER.

    Great.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will be very happy of you to criticise her content. I will be disappointed if you were to criticise HER.

    Great.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    It is just unfortunate that the Hindu fundamentalist eggs didn’t fertilise.

    I suggest you try afresh. With your blind devotion, admiration and worship of the very bed she sleeps on, positive results may come your way.

    You have also let us all, Hindu fundoos, in on a secret, a weakness Wendy is prone to-she can be egged on and provoked to talk absurdly and write non-sense about Hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is it important that Gopi is not a Hindu?

    What about Wendy not being a Hindu either?

    In short, does the religion of a protagonist matter in deciding whose narrative is more plausible?

    In this case, both happen to be following the same religion or rather were born into families with a common religious beliefs.

    As for me, not being a religious person, I have no opinion as to whose narration is more to the point.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Re-re-clarification. It was response for Sanjay’s post towards Gopi “..Then how come Hindus managed to appropriate those two books and call on their own ? If we call these two books of our own, then we only provided her the context. Why blame her ?..”

    - I said we as Indians are discussing a work which is supposed to be our history, irrespective of our religions. Will not give any more clarification on this sentence. Instead will focus on Wendy.

    @Ravi,
    Do you mean to say orthodox view points do not worth the answer irrespective of their merit?

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    No I do not mean that at all.

    Orthodox views are well known, they do not require either re-iteration or re-interpretation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never even for a nano second I debated Gopi being Hindu or Christian. Sad I gave that impression at all. When he mentioned that those days there was no mention of specific religion, then how and when hindus started calling this great literature as their own ! that was my point of discussion. And if call our own then Wendy juxtapositioning hindu religion and this literature should not create any problem.

    Mahabharat from Draupadi’s point of view would be very different from what we are used to so far ! I am talking about the scenarios from the point of view of a major character itself ! What to talk of an outsider.

    Anyway these things only create more debates and bring out finer nuances that we never thought of. There is nothing to be ashamed or defensive about. Discuss it as an openly and enrich the particpation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    You are absolutely right about Vijay picking out phrases of out of context and giving his own interpretation, the above is an example.

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    Ravi Reply:

    He is a propagandist (neutral of course)

  • Anonymous

    James Yardley (NY Times) about Indian private industry initiatives on trade with Pakistan..One thing he says is that we have only 800 or so diplomats which do not leave many to work on trade/investment..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/world/asia/private-sector-helps-propel-india-onto-world-stage.html

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  • Anonymous

    GREETINGS FROM AMRITSAR
    ———————————————-
    weather almost pleasant can you believe it.
    now listen blogers- my chowkidar’s daughter gets scholarship from govt- YES 100% TRUE- and her continuation in college is checked annually. proviso- her Dads annual income has to be 60,000 p.a or less. Slowly blogers it is happening, india is being educated. Punjab is flooded by NRI money to NGOs, I am doing my bit here.
    As I lie in the shade in my farmhouse I wish NO death penalty to Rojana. i am becoming emotional over killer . PERSPECTIVES CHANGE WHEN I COME TO PUNJAB.
    There is so much peace here now- if he had to be hanged it should have been in nintees, now seems a bit strange.
    Tomorrow I drive to Agra to show grandchildren taj, will stay in hotel Marina- it was Holiday Inn before. Saw wonderful private ceremony to felicitate sachin on 100 100- took place in mukesh ambani private house- lata mangeshkar had come- they are showing it on tv everyday
    mrs ambani is vaaary vaaary beautiful, saada dil machal raha hai- she is like filmstar- lucky man

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder

    Enjoy your stay. yes, India is changing, growing. Youngsters are generally more committed; I trust them to take it to further heights. Akhilesh, I hope and pray, will be a greatCM.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    gr8 to know i r having a good time !

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Balwinder;
    But mrs. Ambani was a film star. Tina Munim., nee Tina Ambani. many film stars have married industrialists.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    welcome back into the land of your dreams
    and to Punjab, the land of lassi and creams

    you are happy that in today’s India much has changed
    but, you know honesty and hard work still get short-changed

    Like many in Punjab, you want Rajoana not to be hanged
    for which adalat ke darwaze are being loudly banged

    But during holidays, do not allow problems tax your imagination
    Wahe Guru will deal with most “jatil samasya” to your satisfaction.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,

    It always feels wonderful to spend your time at your home time.
    Have a nice holiday.

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  • Anonymous

    Playing practical jokes on All Fools Day is a temptation
    but, making fools of others needs imagination
    plenty of the first and lack of the second leads to frustration
    Not fooling others and not getting fooled is an option
    wise people take gladly and with determination.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    100% concur with you.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Saw Agent Vinod yesterday night, this being saturday night so I could indulge in doing something with family. Disappointed, a talented artist has been wasted. Whosoever has seen Film Omkara, will vouch for the role played by Langra tyagi, will remember him as one fine actor. It proves that it is the director, who takes best out of an actor.
    Read so many ” Jasoosi” novels in my childhood. Jasoosi Duniya, written by ibne safi, Populated by Vinod and hamid, novels by Ved prakash kamboj, Vijay and Raghunath, and so many that I lost the count. thought this agent Vinod was Ibne safi creation, no, that was not to be.manohar, was there a marathi thriller writer, babu rao pendharkar? There was a character, which use to be appreciated by my maharashtrian friends and they usually spoke highly about that Jasoos.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Saw Agent Vinod yesterday night, this being saturday night so I could indulge in doing something with family. Disappointed, a talented artist has been wasted. Whosoever has seen Film Omkara, will vouch for the role played by Langra tyagi, will remember him as one fine actor. It proves that it is the director, who takes best out of an actor.
    Read so many ” Jasoosi” novels in my childhood. Jasoosi Duniya, written by ibne safi, Populated by Vinod and hamid, novels by Ved prakash kamboj, Vijay and Raghunath, and so many that I lost the count. thought this agent Vinod was Ibne safi creation, no, that was not to be.manohar, was there a marathi thriller writer, babu rao pendharkar? There was a character, which use to be appreciated by my maharashtrian friends and they usually spoke highly about that Jasoos.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    That is a pleasant surprise, even I used to read all those ‘jasoosi’ novels.
    Other famous writers of those times were Om Praksh Sharma, Col. Ranjit
    and my favourite used to be Surendrer Mohan Pathak whose famous
    characters where Sunil, Vimal and Sudhir. Sadly, he expired few months back.
    ,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Think of it my mom was crazy about all of them. She would pamper me to get her all those jasoosi novels! I guess it had some influence on me too. I wrote a full fledged 450 page detective novel when I was in class 7! What got me into trouble was the fact that the names of the detective and his girlfriend were same as my classmates and I had 2 full chapters with heavy seduction and erotic details. So naturally there was a huge scandal and the principal seiged the manual. Only silver lining was that I became popular with the female crowd , both junior and senior.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Don’t get me wrong but I have noticed one thing throughout my
    life. I am talking about your last line. Almost everyone I have
    met say the same thing when they talk about their school/college days that they were popular with the female crowd. I always wonder that what was wrong with me or in
    what I was lacking that no girl would even look at me.
    Was I an odd one out ya aap sirf phenk rahe hain.

    Dil ko khush karne ke liye ghalib yeh khayal achcha hai.

    (:(:(:

    Anonymous Reply:

    “no girl would even look at me”.

    How did you know?

    There surely must have been at least one silent admirer and you did not notice it perhaps that girl must not have been the one you wished to have as an admirer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Right. Even now girls want the boys take the first step. Pehle aap , pehle aap mein kabhi kabhi….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    the girls in Snajay’s school life must have fallen for his skill in name changing, besides the skill of creating fiction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In a way you are right. I was ready for serious film making in school itself. Gulzar used to be my favourite. I could write award winning plays just overnight.

    But family had other plans. I neither could make myself happy nor my family.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Typical story of an Indian from
    fifties to eighties.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan, Mohan.
    Manohar has commented correctly. it is not possible that no body liked you, it is just possible that you did not return that favor. Yes, a bevy of girls were ready to cross the ultimate boundry but I was very shy and home was a very strict atmosphere.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Manohar

    Bas yahi soch ke khush ho leta hoon.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps you discovered your funny side a little late. Just a guess. Else, you would have been a lady killer. Perhaps you were and you are just being shy of admitting it !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Shy at this age? This reminds me of a sher I had heard long time ago.

    Sharam unko aati hai,
    sharam se woh sharmate hain,
    hum besharmon ko kya sharam
    sharam hamse sharmati hai

    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now Mohan does give a number of jokes where ladies kill the men… !!

    But I am sure he has a way with words… and humour which most of the world lacks…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Mohan,

    A soothing line for you (for myself too).. tere jahan mein aisa nahi ke pyar na ho.. jahan ummeed hain iski wahan nahi milta.

    Don’t worry, there will be more fellow travelers with you (those who never had a chance) than Sanjay. I am sure percentage of arranged marriages beat love marriages in India. So what if our spouses say they were forced to buy the one at first floor? I am glad, kuch to mila….

    @Sanjay,
    1> I was quite popular with the female crowd … and
    2> Even now girls want the boys take the first step

    If I combine the two things I would get a confused message that you took advance with so many girls. Anyway too late for analysis. Also I suppose love is more about practicals than theory.

    Jo bhi hain.. Devanand’s line .. Jo milgaya usee ko mokaddar samajh liya..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Vinay

    Please mark my sentence :
    “…Only silver lining was that I became popular with the female crowd…”

    which is very different from your interpretation / observation :

    …I was quite popular with the female crowd …”

    So my case was accidental / incidental.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So what if our spouses say they were forced to buy the one at first floor?

    Love the line.

    But hey! What about the merchandize on the ground floor?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Often ground floor is meant for parking, not for shopping :)
    Time to take break from the blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Thanks for the soothing words.

    I am lucky that my marriage was an arranged. A top floor girl was ‘coerced’ by her
    parents to marry a boy who was staying at first floor.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sanjay;
    You are discovered as Chhupe rustam. Thought you are just serious analyst.

    Anonymous Reply:

    sanjay ji

    class 7 mein seduction scene… u r ahead of us !

    Anyway I think u shud try ur hand at writing again. Why not?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Om Prakash sharma’s was a mighty pen. His rendering of Dracula translation as Pishach ki Pyas’ was unbelievable. His narration, great. If only he could have gone to serious literature.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Sadly serious literature will only bring fame but rarely will bring money. There is always family to look after.

  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    Got tired of this Wendy saga and will not join it now. the only thing intriguing me is that after Vijay’s reply, you said, maharaj, itna bol gaye, Kahana kya chahate ho? i thought, i was interacting with a knowledgeable person, when i spoke to you. You can refute his observation, but not able to understand it? difficult to believe.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    You also noticed his dismissive tone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Pankaj

    I ove to be dimissed… by people who dont have answers… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Please feel free to infer whatever you intend to about my intellect – at this point I am not inclined to refute it or defend myself.
    As for my response to Vijay Kumar – his own posting (and earlier ones) went all over the place without as much addressing the points under discussion. My impression is – it was deliberate .
    p.s. for Mohan : The smugness in tone was intended as a reaction to Vijay Kumar’s post for reasons stated above.
    p.s. for Vijay Kumar : Please Note.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    You dont have to defend yourself. That is your viewpoint.

    My viewpoint remains what it was yesterday.

    a) That an outsider’s version of India cannot be given a higher rating just because she speaks Englsh, knows sanskrit.

    b) Getting sex into the picture even if it does not exist on the ground– BECAUSE THE TEXTS DONT HAVE IT IN GR8 DETAIL is being stupid and sensationalist.

    c) Some idiots use her book to damn Hindu society. Her insult to islam too is gross and again intrepeting things in her own limited way.

    Mahesh, I am sure you find all these three points very densely worded and confusing. After you understand them, I am sure you will have reason to feel “smugger”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I thought of ignoring your post but against my better judgement I am replying.
    If I am not mistaken – Vinay can correct me if he feels – that for this reson only
    Vinay had said to you about a month or two back ‘ Mahesh is that you? ‘
    I apologize if I have offended you, believe me that was not my intention.

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  • Anonymous

    I thought I will just ignore her, but this lady Ms. Doniger does not seems to go away.
    I give her credit for creating controversy and she has manged to succeed in that.
    For the last time I will put my views on this subject.

    I will compare her with Mahesh Bhatt .

    Mr. Bhatt knows that controversy sells and if it is combined with sex, that is icing on the cake. He has cast Sunny Leons in his new movie knowing very well that she is a
    porn star and of Indian origin. I am sure Ms. Leons does not know abcd of acting
    other than getting f …… on camera, but according to Mr. Bhatt her presence will
    make this a hit movie. In a same way Ms. Doniger have written her version of
    Ramayan and Mahabhart and has made sure that people know about the contents
    of these books that there are several chapters full of sexual undertones/overtones,
    and also did not forgot to mention that Indian ancient civilization was castiest.
    This is enough to create controversy which has helped the sale of these books.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-

    Very good analogy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan…

    100% correct

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is sex a sin? Why this ‘Victorian’ mindset? What do you have to say about Khajuraho & other temples and of course about Kamasutra?

    Why single out Sunny alone? We have had a very very long list of actors/actresses down the years who did not know abc of acting, but on the other hand there is always the first time. What she does on camera should be of nobody’s concern – it is her life and her decision, no one is forcing you or anyone else to watch it or Mahesh’s Bhatt’s films.

    Regarding whether ancient (how ancient?) Indian was casteist or not, we do not know, unless someone can cone with concrete evidence/proof that the caste system came into being on such and such date, month and year. Even if it did exist, so what? It must have been perfectly accepted then by the whole society then. Judging by our values today, we find it reprehensible and perhaps feel discomforted that some one is telling us look back and see the ugly (in context of today’s values) reality. That is history now and we cannot change it. If someone is pointing out it did exist, let there creditable evidence to show it did not. If there is no evidence either way, then let an individual choose for himself what to believe. No society at any point of time has ever been all milk and honey.

    In future, say a couple of hundreds of years down the line, people then might say so and so (say death penalty) being allowed/practiced in 20th/21st century legally under the Indian constitution was equally reprehensible. What say?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to say. I never said that sex is sin and
    I don’t believe that it is. I also do not have any problem with the profession of
    Ms. Leone. I could have mentioned anyone other than her it would not have made
    any difference to what I wanted to say. IMO, Mr. Bhatt and Ms. Doniger are opportunist
    and they chose this path to make money. This is the only reason I have compared them.
    And before you ask me that what is wrong in being opportunist and making money, let
    me clarify that I don’t have any problem with these. Every one has a different way of earning their living.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    OK.

    Ravi Reply:

    Wasn’t there a protest which led to Ramanuja essay being banned from DU.

    The protest was led by a Sangh affiliated student organisation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes. The whole thing gave more publicity to the essay, certainly not what the right-wingers wanted – a self defeating move. The real dedicated students of History, who have been denied the opportunity to study formally, would certainly have studied it independently. So the demand and the dropping it from a course did not achieve the intent of the fundamentalists.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Am I not entitled to an opinion? Ms. Doniger has interpreted Ramayan and Mahabharata in a certain way which Ravi and may be many other think is refreshing.
    I don’t have any problem with that. According to me she is just an opportunist and wanted to make some money and gain fame among certain quarters. In fact I said that she is a very intelegent person and has managed to accomplish what she had intended.
    I cannot give any opinion now on professor Ramnunjan as I do not much about him
    or his views on different version of Ramayans.
    May be some other will do that.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Most certainly you are entitled to form your opinions.

    However, in what way is Wendy an oportunist. Are you suggesting that she went through two universities, and wrote a dozen or so scholarly works purely as an OPPORTUNISTIC exercise. I am sure that you did not mean that. What did you mean.

    You previously also said that she created controversy in order to sell books. In fact controversy was created by some factions of Hindu Right Wingers who attacked her and continue to do so till today.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I had thought that I will not discuss Ms. Doniger, but it seems I have no choice.
    I don’t think when she started learning Sanskrit, this was in her mind. When
    she read Vedas, Ramayan and Mahabharata, the idea struck her that this may
    be an opportunity to gain fame and make money. She came up with her versions
    of these great epics which are pure assumptions. If she can assume than others
    also, in this case me are entitled to speculate her intentions. It is fine with me that you
    don’t agree with my opinion which happens quite often, as I also don’t have a problem
    that you find her versions refreshing. We just have different opinions, there is nothing
    more to that.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is OK.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Most certainly your are entitled to your view.
    That is why we are having this conversation and haven’t ever tried to browbeat you or anyone else.

  • Anonymous

    First a disclaimer; I am not an Indologist, nor historian nor a Sanskrit scholar. Far far away from all these. Did not intentionally learn Sanskrit slokas, but they just kept falling into my ears during my childhood and they stayed. I do not know whether I am a believer or an achiest. (During college days it used to be 50/50. Before and after exam a devotee. After result achiest!). I do not pray to God everyday. But do visit temples occasionally. When Arati time starts, when the bells start to ring my eyes close. The science I learnt tells me that this so called “effect” can be attributed to the resonance of the sound waves. But still for a fraction of a second, my brain leaves logic and prays to the God in front of me to make my life better. It is this moment, that separates me from an achiest. I am quite comfortable with this hijadaa mind as logic and faith have learnt to co-exist peacefully in my brain. I do not know the argument I am presenting here is an orthodox one or non orthodox. I am just saying what I feel.

    Wendy’ s claim – Mahabharata is not written by one person;
    Take the example of the Sloka which is given by Gopi.
    amokshaniyam daivam hi
    bhavi mathwa mahamathi /
    thatha thathkrithvan Drona
    athamkirthnu rakshnath” // (adiparva, 1566.55, 56)
    It is not just the meaning but the manner (the exact word in Sanskrit is Chandas) with which this verse is written. This verse uses a meter called Anushtup. Every meter in Sanskrit has strict guidelines. (In this case, every quarter of the meter should have eight syllables. Fist syllable of of every quarter has to be short pronunciation (hrasva) and sixth syllable of every quarter has to be long pronunciation (deergha) and so on… When one writes a verse he has to take the meaning as well as these grammar into account. With all these in mind. how long one would need to construct the verse? A minute or a day? Now this chapter alone (Adi Parva) has 9984 Slokas. Totally (all the 18 parvas combined) Mahabharata has more than one lakh verses. Maharshi Vyasa is claimed to have written this entire epic (which is supposed to 4 times bigger than Iliad and Odyssy combined) along with some 18 other Puranas, Dharma Shastra etc. Given this background, do I believe Mahabharata was written by one person? Na. Will that make my respect towards this literature any less? A definite no. All the people who were involved in this epic, unanimously decided to give the entire credit to a rishi who was a fisherman by birth, does speak about the culture of this land.

    Can Wendy twist (re-interpret) the Mahabharata or Ramayana story?
    Definitely. The ancient texts come in two forms; Shriti (= hear) and Smriti(=memory). Shriti is supposed to have been told in sages ears by supreme power, which they passed it on to their students orally. (Do I believe in it or not is a different question. I am just speaking of orthodox view). It is not documented and not supposed to be twisted. Vedas and Upanishads fall in this category. Smriti is a documented literature where in versions and interpretations are allowed. (In today’s terminology “can be remixed”). Ramayana and Mahabharata fall in this category. Hence so many versions are available. Bhasa, a Sanskrit poet lived in 300 BC, picks Karna who actually is a negative character in original Mahabharata, makes him a hero and writes a drama. Kalidasa picks another peculiar instance. In original Mahabharata, King Dushyant when confronted with his past (Shakuntala) disowns her “having full knowledge”. But when heavenly voice speaks she is the mother of his child, he admits he lied as he was worried about people’s impression. But Kalidasa brings in a dramatic twist, by getting a sage character whose curse makes Dushyant forget his past and a Shakuntala loosing her ring and a fish swallowing it… what not. But neither of these poets are condemned for their blasphemy. They are actually hailed as Maha Kavis. The one which I love most for its poetic lenience is “Gokula Nirgamana”, written in my native language half a century ago; About an innocent romantic lad who gets dragged into the mud of politics without his will. Clueless, he leaves his flute with his distraught beloved as his memory. Next, we witness the emergence of a shrewed diplomat to whom marriage only becomes a political deal. One who could blow his conche shell (Panchajanya) repeatedly but never played his Bansuri again. The literary work speaks of the transition phase between innocence and reality where Bansuri and Panchajanya are used as idioms.

    Wendy has all the right to present her work. She can write her interpretation of the epic. But can she call her version as history? Can it be qualified to be called alternative history of Hindus or Hinduism? Few blind men went to feel an elephant, One who felt its ears told it looks like a fan. One who felt the legs told its like a pillar. Original thing is beyond these interpretations. Canvas of Hinduism is too vast.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Superb. Why do you go missing for long periods from this blog ? There are
    many people who appreciate your posts.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinay;
    Has to catch a flight in two hours. will not be able to read you, but once back, I will go back to this blog and read you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay

    Great. Good reading.

    Now one can discuss (agree or disagree with) what you have actually written, not on the grounds that it is written by Vinay No1 or Vincent and then proceed to demolish the author concerned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,
    Thanks for Excellent discussion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    really well written and communicative. Yes as you sum up… she has the right, but it should be taken as her intrepretation.

    For me it is a sensationalist version which may overshadow all the works done on mahabharata and the actual mahabharata as the media would find her a saleble commodity. We lie in shallow times.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    I hope you will not mind me saying. Wendy is universally acknowledged as a Sanskrit Scholar. However, she is neither infallible nor perfection incarnate, but suffice to say she is much better scholar Sanskrit than any or all of us put together are on this blog. Her qualifications to make a judgement that Mahabharata is not written by one person but that may have been COMPPILED by one person is not in doubt. Most of the stories in Mahabharata had been passed down orally (Shriti )from one generation to another for centuries before they were committed to text (Smriti). The discipline of passing stories orally was very controlled and though historians believe variations over the years crept in, they were more to do with changing times rather than lack of discipline among the transmitters.

    What irks people is that if they were to believe Wendy then they will have to admit that what they had believed up until now may have been wrong. This is easy if you are an open minded academic but very difficult if you are a devotee.

    Vinay, I highly recommend that you read the book and then we can have discussion if her book is a History book or not. She covers 5000 years of Hindu history not just re-interpretation of Hindu Epics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I find your analysis of ” voluminous writing” quite interesting.

    Does it work like that ?

    I am not sure how long it took you to write this passage of 869 words and 4104 characters. But I am sure many people can’t write this passage so eloquently even in 3 days.

    What’s the difference?

    In modern language, it’s the core competency or simply the ability.

    So perhaps the author had extra-ordinary abilities. Do we know any others facets of the author other than his creation of this literature. perhaps he dedicated a major portion of his life authoring this. And when one is on song, the pen just flows.

    Another reason why it couldn’t be a creation of multiple writers is that the characters in this voluminous literature were consistent.The nuances were maintained all through.

    That’s difficult. Though Salim Javed managed through collaboration. But Mahabharat is no Sholay !

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi

    “..Wendy does not condemn Drona, merely says that Indian society of the time was casteist and that it is reflected in the literature of the time…”
    Should be a subject for another post.

    “..So Gopi how did Drona know that he was training his own killer?..”
    Hope you know the Mahabharata tale. As kids we were taught what a good friendship is all about (Krishna-Sudhama) and how a bad friendship (Drupanda-Drona) will ruin our life. Drupada and Drona leave their school with Drupada asking Drona to come to him in need. But when poverty struck Drona goes for help, he will only get humiliation from king Drupada. Drona awaits for decades to take revenge, train Pandavas/Kauravas and ask them to defeat Drupada as a reward. When Arjuna succeeds in defeating Drupada, look at the way Drupada receives his humiliation. On one side, he wishes a daughter who can marry the prince (Arjuna). On the other side, he wants a son who can kill Drona. Both Drona and Arjuna have humiliated Drupada. But Arjuna as Kshyatriya gets rewarded, while Drona being sentenced.

    Drona do not ask Ekalavya’s finger in the first meeting itself. He in fact blesses him when he comes to know of Ekalavya’s skill. But he gets pressurised when jealous Arjun says Drona promised to make him the best archer. So he saves his skin by making Eklavya sacrifice his career. Arjuna looks like the chief abuser in this instance. But on the larger canvas, he has been victimised too. Though he wins the Swayamvara rightfully, he would be forced to share his wife because eldest brother do not want to disobey his mother’s slip of tongue (the same one who would not mind to lie partially during the killing of Drona). Arjuna gets abused as an younger brother.

    In Mahabharat, nobody is the gainer. It tells the story of a yound idealistic prince who sacrificed his entire life to realise at the end, leaders run the states for selfish motives. A brahmin realising in a hard way that he should not mistake the respect he gets as the power and try to barter. It speaks the story of a shrewed diplomat who causes an Aryan clan (Chandra Vamsha) to fight among themselves while deliberately keeping his clan (Yadavs) away from the war. Finally he would see his clan also getting destroyed the same way because of greed and selfishness in his own life time. The epic speaks about the compromises made by human beings in the want of what they term as happiness. Draupadi finally knots her hair… at the cost of her five children. Krishna who married thousands of girls did not get the one whom he loved most. You appreciate Wendy’s version. I enjoy this ghazal.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHQez1ieR-E

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    In Mahabharat no body is a gainer but many gained from Mahabharat
    by making films and writing different versions of this great epic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,
    Please allow me to thank you once again for bringing civility to the “Wendy discussion”.
    Your last line sums up the difference in approaches rather well , you said :
    “You appreciate Wendy’s version. I enjoy this ghazal”.
    Larger part of the difference in approaches is the inherent underlying conflict between materialism and idealism.
    While materialism does look at individuals as manifestations of external “laws” idealism focuses on individualism. In this case the materialistic approach looks contemporary socio-economic forces that shape the individual behavior with all its relationships. For instance it is not just a matter of co-incidence that those subscribing to materialistic approach refer to caste situation from structural perspective.
    OTOH, the approach rooted in idealism looks at society and history more as interplay of individuals , corelatedly finding congruence with prevalent narrative.
    Let me end the posting with a interesting anecdote.
    Jawaharlal Nehru in his book Discovery Of India highlights a sect in ancient India subscribing to a rather curious philosophy. The sect believes in adage of human behavior entirely influenced and subjugated to “Prakruti” (Nature). And whatever happens is entirely due to “Prakruti Niyama” (Rules of Nature). When disciples of the sect ask their “guru” what they should do now – Guru replies , whatever is due to nature so let us al drink and be merry. Notice here how implicit assumption of total subjugation to Nature’s rules leads to the total negation of individual’s role . A philosophy Marxists term as mechanical materialism, something that totally negates individual’s roles and on the opposite end of spectrum vis-a-vis idealism.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “” While materialism does look at individuals as manifestations of external “laws” idealism focuses on individualism. In this case the materialistic approach looks contemporary socio-economic forces that shape the individual behavior with all its relationships. For instance it is not just a matter of co-incidence that those subscribing to materialistic approach refer to caste situation from structural perspective.
    OTOH, the approach rooted in idealism looks at society and history more as interplay of individuals , corelatedly finding congruence with prevalent narrative.”"

    Mahesh,

    Please bhai mere, thoda hamara khayal karo. I would really appreciate
    if you will write in simple English for less mortal like me. Even after reading this thrice, it went over my head.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    I am at a loss as to the objective of this post. However, let me make an assumption and then provide a response.

    The details of the story are not disputed. Darona’s character and how he deals with a jealous young prince is not disputed.

    I thank you for completing such details of the story that even Gopi missed out.

    The difference is not in the re-telling of the story, its plot, or even its moral. The difference is to re-tell the story from the point of view of Eklavya.

    Let me help you along this path.

    What is the significance of the dog announcing the presence of Eklavya when he started to bark. Is it because Eklavya looked different and smelt different. Or is it that the dog as vanguard to the rest of the party was expressing their anti-tribal attitudes. What were the feelings that Eklavya would have felt. We know that he shut the dog up by shooting some arrows into his mouth.

    As you can see my interest in not revisiting the orthodox view that I first heard in Ajmal Khan Park with व्याख्यान and which any one can pick-up in a public park during a morning walk.

    Reiner Werner Fassbinder directed a film entitled Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant. The protagonist of the film is a seamstress and the setting is her studio. In the studio there are many mannequins in various positions. These mannequins are propelling the plot just as much as human characters are. It is impossible to grab the film in one viewing. The first viewing is almost focused on the human characters their emotions and expressions. One has to view the film again and avoid looking at the human caharcters and focus on the mannequins and follow what they are trying to prtray. Then and only then one is able to fully comprehend what the film is trying to say.

    Similarly one has to revisit the Eklavya story from his perspective and without castigating and finding Darona guilty, one has to prize out a slightly different, more detailed meaning about the relation-ship between the Aryans and the Tribals and those who served both.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay
    Regarding your entry about authorship of Mahabharatha (as to multiple authors over a period of time) – Bhandarkar Oriental Reserach institute (Pune) has done lots of work as to what are the original slokas, what are the add-ons and peripheral stories etc..

    Regarding Wendy’s right etc – To understand and critique Vyasas’s “Ithihas”, , one should know Vyasa’s “darshan” , foundational blocks and vision with which the great poet/rishi created this pearl. Without these fundamentals one gets into irreconcilable situations. Vyasa does give ‘qualifications” and interpretations in certain dramatic situations in the book, but on many occasions he is silent.

    The sage gives instructions and guidelines to “understand” the book in the slokas of Anukramanika Parva, the first “chapter”. Slokas 1.2, 1.18, 1.48, 1.60. 1.61 give the secrets to understand the sauce.

    Ekalavya is one piece which has many interpretations ranging from Drona’s cruelty, to his favouritism to Arjuna, to racial discrimination (many who want to nail that the Indian system was “casteist” from time immemorial conveniently forgets that Krishna was black coloured and belonged to backward caste (now the question will be how come backward castes are depicted in black colour), that Vidura, one of the wisest men in the book (to whom even krishna asks for guidance and approval) is the son of a lower caste woman, that Ghadolkacha was an ‘equal” pandava son although his mother was not a desirable caste etc etc… we can have a discussion later).

    Vyasa is silent as to why Drona asked for Ekalavya’s thumb as gurdakshina. Vyasa DOES NOT say that it is to please his favourite student. It does not say it is because he did not want a backward caste (?) boy to be a world class archer. My theory based on Drona’s overall character, and the guidance in Anukramanika parva is that Drona wanted to give him a punishment based on the two “gross” violations Ekalavya committed 1) pursuing the “asthra vidya” that Drona explicitly forbade 2) telling the world that he was a student of Drona when he was not.

    When Ekalavya said

    “kim prayachati
    bhagavan ajnapayadu mam guru
    na hi kinnchideyam me
    gurave brahma vithama” (Adiparva 131.55)

    that he will give anything, Drona could have asked for his head.

    As I indicated in my earlier writeup, the “casteists” are silent as to how could Ekalavya walk into the fortress of Chandravamsha, to the defence chief of the empire, without anybody stopping him on the way for being a “low” caste? If casteism was fervent, I would guess that he would have been killed for attempting to walk through the corridors of the palace.

    Thousands of years before Mahabharatha, Valmiki, the adi kavi lamented (considered as the first poem in the world)

    “ma nishada pratishta
    tvangama shashmali samaha
    yat kraunch midhuna
    dekhamvati kamamohitham”

    So, “nishada” as cruel people killing indiscriminately seems to be prevalent, at least among rishis.

    Well, more on another day, another time.

    There is a great book “Rethinking of Mahabharatha” by Alf Hiltbeith. He spends a lot of time on the contradictions and bridging blocks, especially connected with Draupadi. He is considered a “Draupadi expert” .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I can only say that your knowledge is truely worth admiration. At another level I hope that these facts and knowledge is also stared int eh popular format, before somebody without knowledge imposes her version on the world…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I am highly impressed . A sincere request. Would you allow me to visit and
    learn these gems personally from you ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    . In the end you wrote that Krishna did not get the girl whom he
    loved most. Are you talking about Radha? If yes than as far as I know – correct me
    if I am wrong – that in Ved Vyas’s Mahabharata there is just a passing reference of Radha. Krishna-Radha stories which we know were written by someone around tenth century and became very popular.
    I am sure Gopiji can throw some light on this.

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  • Anonymous

    pankaj, hey rabba , i was talking about neeta ambani as the BEAUTIFUL ONE, definitely not tina munim who now looks like an aatey ki bori !

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  • Anonymous

    Trivia on History , Interpretation of History and all that in popular culture…..
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    p.s. for Film Enthusiasts : Late Mohan Gokhale as the protagonist has given stellar performance.

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    CAG diagnosis: ‘Bimaru’ Gujarat

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/CAG-diagnosis-Bimaru-Gujarat/articleshow/12497583.cms

    The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has come down hard on the state government over water pollution.

    Denting the green image of Gujarat, CAG, in its 2011-12 ‘civil’ report, claimed that there is an “upward trend” in the incidence of water-borne diseases due to heavily polluted water sources.
    —————

    The CAG claimed the number of cases of acute diarrheal disease went up from 5.67 lakh in 2008 to 6.73 lakh in 2010; viral hepatitis from 10,051 to 16,234; enteric fever from 12,850 to 38,775; and cholera from 50 to 573. CAG said though rapid response teams were made available to fight these diseases, “water pollution continued to pose a perennial challenge to the public health system in the state”

    —————

    Bimaru was a term coined for Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh – the most backward of all states. It is sickening to note that ‘progressive’ Gujarat actually falls in this category on the health front, notwithstanding the booming medical tourism in the state.

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  • Anonymous

    Government delay hits Anti-Corruption Bureau’s anti-graft drive

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Government-delay-hits-Anti-Corruption-Bureaus-anti-graft-drive/articleshow/12497843.cms

    HYDERABAD: The state government’s delay in sanctioning prosecution of public servants nailed by the Anti-Corruption Bureau (ACB) and hostile witnesses have allowed the conviction rate in graft cases to slide down below the 50% mark for the first time in recent years. This even after the vigilance commissioner concurred with most of the irrefutable evidence presented by the ACB.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    One more reason that we should have Lok Pal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You really think so.

    I thought that the Supreme Court has stipulated that if no communication (one way or the other) is forthcoming within three months, then it is deemed that the sanction has been granted. Wonder what happened? Shameful indeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yes I had completely forgotten about this supreme court order, thanks for reminding.
    That means now our politicians and CBI do not care about SC orders also.

  • Anonymous

    65 years later, Pak brigadier pens Delhi of pre-Partition days

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/65-years-later-Pak-brigadier-pens-Delhi-of-pre-Partition-days/Article1-834073.aspx

    Abdul Rahman Siddiqi was 23 when he took a flight to Lahore on the afternoon of October 9, 1947, from the Safdarjang Airport in Delhi. He was too overwrought to have any feelings as he watched Delhi from the aircraft, a DC-3.
    “I did not quite know if I was relieved to leave the
    troubled city or grieved over leaving the place where I was born and brought up. I still remember that the ticket for the Dalmia Airways chartered flight had cost me Rs 95,” said Karachi-based Siddiqi, now 87, who retired from the Pakistani Army in 1973 as the head of Inter-Services Publication Relations.

    ———–
    Read on

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  • Anonymous

    Rajendra Prasad and Ambedkar on retrospective changes to laws

    Letter from the Beyond

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/letter-from-the-beyond/931267/0

    To

    Dr Manmohan Singh
    The Honourable Prime Minister of India

    Dear Prime Minister,

    We left your world many decades ago; when we left it, we were proud that we had left behind a good legacy. We had spent many years worrying about the fact that India’s history was replete with the arbitrary and capricious rule of different Rajas and Sultans. By giving India a formal Constitution, we thought that we were doing our countrymen and countrywomen a service. They would get to live in a nation ruled by laws and not by men. But now we realise that we were mistaken.

    ——–

    In conclusion, we are happy for you that you will go down in history as having done your best to undo our mistaken legacy and made us more like China. But please do make sure that we get good roads, airports, railways and docile citizens — just like in China!

    From the Great Beyond,

    Sincerely yours,

    Rajendra Prasad
    President, Constituent Assembly of India

    B.R. Ambedkar
    Chairman, Drafting Committee, Constituent Assembly of India.

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  • Anonymous

    The King and I: freedom and incarceration in Morocco

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3269587.ece?homepage=true

    “The King is the source of evil,” he said, speaking through a translator, “[Morocco] is not a country any more, it is like a company now. It is the King’s company and the people are the consumers.” It is for airing views such as these, set to staccato beats and rhythmic hooks, that Mouad Belrhouate, who raps as El Haked (variously translatable as The Spiteful, The Malicious or The Indignant) was arrested on September 9 last year and imprisoned for four months. The case against him was been dismissed, but he was re-arrested yesterday, April 1, for criticising the Moroccan establishment. The rapper, who will stand trial on April 4, was interviewed last month at the slaughterhouse that he and a friend are converting into a studio.

    —————–

    That system is called the Makzhen. Derived from the Arabic word for “warehouse” or “store,” “The Makzhen is the system that takes control of the institutions of state. It includes the King at the centre, his friends, high ranking officers in the army,” said Abdullah Abaakil, 42, a management consultant and an active member of February 20’s Casablanca chapter, “In the last 20-30 years the word has come to mean a select chosen elite, their families and patronage networks.”

    The Makzhen, Mr. Abaakil believes, not only controls political life in Morocco, but also holds key positions in private and state-owned companies that control the national economy. The opacity of Moroccan businesses makes it difficult to establish Mr. Abaakil’s claims, yet a number of pro-democracy protestors appear convinced that a small cabal, of the King and his friends, decides the fate of the national economy. Footage of last year’s protests shows massive crowds specifically mentioning “the Makzhen” in their chants.

    ————

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pankaj

    Somewhere deep down in the comments you mentioned that “main bura maan gaaya…”

    Not at all! I enjoyed ur comments and in fact looking at my hand since then.. :)

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  • Anonymous

    What is REAL Tension?
    ===

    A beautiful girl asks lift from you. On the way she faints and you take her to hospital.

    Doctor says Congrats. You are going to become a father.

    YOU GET TENSED.

    You say but that baby is not mine.
    Girl says he is the father of my baby.

    YOU HAVE MORE TENSION.

    Police comes and DNA test is done. Report says that you can never become a father.

    EVEN MORE TENSION FOR YOU.

    Anyhow you thank God and return home. Then you think, at home I have 2 kids. Whose are those?

    This is REAL TENSION.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre bhaiya…

    yeh tensions par tension hai…

    I have stopped giving lifts from today onwards…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You can keep on giving lifts to beautiful girls until you get married.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Men should pay more attention to girls who get “lifted” in order not to get tension.
    Tensed up males perform poorly in bed and badly later.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi and others who have brains.

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ WHY INTREPRETING RELIGOUS TEXTS ~~ in today’s colors is madness ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    I think the Wendy debate has extended itself…with astounding dimensions. I am just adding another dimension to this… without meaning to drag it in a boring bend.

    Why islam has been hijacked by people who use today’s lenses to determine the religious text.

    When Islam was “revealed’ it was certainly a religion which caught on because of many egaltarian concepts. Mohammad, in the context of the seventh century created a reform movement .

    The correct way for Muslims would always be to understand the spirit of Islam and further it in the context if today. Maulana Azad and Ghaffar Khan, understood this and remained religious yet did not let their reigion become a barrier in their nationality or interactions with people of other faiths.

    In Tora Bora, OSama bin Laden and in Muridke, Hafeez Saeed, only followed the words and not the spirit. SO everything written became a reason for war and eradication of other religions. Every word in the text became a hidden meaning only to be followed the way it got you power.

    The third way equally disasterous way would be the Wendy way– color the whole texts in your world view of feminism, open sexuality, gay rights, freudian psychoanalysis — and say this is the correct version of Koran and Islamic history. Stupid in my view.

    Why cant the text be just understood in the context of the time? Why can’t the spirit of the text be understood — and not the words alone, which end up provoking a clash of civilizations?

    These, really are the big questions…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    People will keep on writing different versions, they cannot be stopped.
    Others have right to praise, ignore, reject, critisize, . No one should
    resort to violence and offer money for the author to be harmed or killed. Like
    Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Interestingly even these people Salman Rushdie, Taslima Nasreen
    M F Hussain and Danish cartoonist became famous because
    of the controversy surrounding them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Naam kaamane ke liye badnaami zaroori hai !!

    the classic case is of church going singers osmand brothers who were popular in my school in eighties– being a Christian school.

    by ninties they had lost the popularity charts. Their agent– created and planted stories of drug possession, gun possession and wild sex.

    Unfortunately they still did not become popular. :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wrong approach by their agent. He adopted western
    style of drugs and sex. He should labeled them
    as hindu/muslim/christain haters, then things would
    been different.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Really apt!! I think nobody was shocked by the stories of their agent. Religious hatred could have been the attention gathering story…

    Anonymous Reply:

    They should have hired engrich and he would have fired the imagination of the youngsters with zionst, brhmnst and Fascist conspiracies. The singers would have climed the charts in no time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely right ! No violence… let us debate… and open debate.

    It cannot be that we can debate about Hindusim but in case an alternate thesis put up for say Islam– off with the head.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    this post is for you and some others who have brains:

    “Larger part of the difference in approaches is the inherent underlying conflict between materialism and idealism.
    While materialism does look at individuals as manifestations of external “laws” idealism focuses on individualism. In this case the materialistic approach looks contemporary socio-economic forces that shape the individual behavior with all its relationships. For instance it is not just a matter of co-incidence that those subscribing to materialistic approach refer to caste situation from structural perspective.”

    ………………………MAHESH UVAACHA.

    I am sure there are some who can decipher this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy and Mohan,
    Please allow me to decipher myself.
    Stories about “Devis” (Goddesses) are nothing new in India. These stories are passed on from one generation to other variously but mostly as a part of oral tradition , in the process sketching a narrative that changes some and prevails some. One way of approaching the past is to look at the narrative as it is – and just that , as past being a interplay of individuals . The alternate approach here, for instance would look at hints of matriarchial society further trying to analyse the contemporary social and economic reasons behind dominant role played during that period.
    Notice the fundamental difference here between two approaches – one looks at the narrative with human actors as the focus , the other focusses itself on reeasons outside individual behavior that shapes the behavior (including social relations).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    There is no problem if anyone comes up with alternate stories
    about gods, godessess, purans, Mahbaharata, Ramayan etc.
    A controversy is bound to be created if that alternate version
    is mostly different from other such versions. In this scenario,
    along with praise from some quarters he/she – whoever has
    written that particular version – should be ready to accept
    criticism, rejection and in some cases abuses also.
    After all we are dealing with human nature which varies
    from person to person. We cannot expect all the people to
    react calmly and humbly will tell this to the author after reading his/her version.

    ” Sir/Madam, We are highly grateful that you took out
    your precious time to look into our great books which are
    highly revered by us and wrote a completely different version
    of those . Sir/Madam, the problem is that we
    were little bit hurt by your version so will you please refrain
    from doing this again. We will be highly obliged if you would
    honour our request.”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, you can please consider adding these lines:

    “however, madam, should you choose, in your obviously great wisdom , to ignore this humble appeal, we jointly and severally, do reserve the right to protest, as far as possible peacefully, but certainly not violently. we may further inform you for your own good the protest may take the shape of group shouting of slogans, waving of black flags, burning of your effigies, burning down the local office of your publishers, making bonfires of your books and/or demanding your arrest and prosecution under section 302A, B C(2) etc. of the Indian penal code.

    We humbly request you to be prepared for any or all of these forms of our usual modes.

    P.S. If you do not want to damage your own reputation and the prospects of the book’s sale, you may call 9855555555 and a “way out” can be considered to your utmost satisfaction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy and Mohan,
    Please go ahead and burn the effigies of whatever you want to. But then, gents, can we please atleast articulate why we are doing so ? Or is it that the Taliban methodology has suddenly started making sense ?
    Oh, btw, why this need to divert the topic back “specifically” to Wendy – oops , sorry – some hypothetical authors ? Did we get the point at all about differences in approach ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Obfuscation is the name of the game.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    You may want to start with “Riddles in Hinduism” authored by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar. It would indeed be interesting to see you burning Dr. Ambedkar’s published works – a copy of Indian constitution included.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    The threats (even if hypothetical here) above are a sure sign one’s intellectual inadequacy to debate and counter argue – the result intolerance and bigotry, plus also shows that they have serious doubts about their own belief systems or the latter themselves are indeed are on a very weak foundation and unable to stand any scrutiny.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    “if that alternate version is mostly different from other such versions”

    1) If it is not, then what is the point in having an alternative version/narrative?

    2) Which such versions?

    3) I have not heard or read of people, who write alternative versions, have not subjected themselves to scrutiny? Can you cite examples to the contrary?

    Actually, it is the fundamentalists forces, who do not wish to debate so threatened they feel from dissent/alternative interpretation and more often that not, threaten and/or resort to violence and vandalism in an attempt (the fact that the state becomes a mute spectator is shameful indeed) to browbeat their ‘imagined’ enemies of their faith and beliefs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    the first one was really dense prose. I pride myself ofr reading midnight’s children thrice. But did not enc ounter ush high density prose.

    Let me repeat your question. “ap kehana kya chahate hai?”

    No hard feelings but I did feel … din mein daru ke side effects…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me start with Daaru. What I would write after consuming my cheap whisky would be much beyond in complexity compared even to a mathematical treatise on Finite elements for structures.
    As for “mai kehna kya chaah raha hu” – let us Mohan and Shenoy try replying credibly , which they have both side-stepped , and then talk. I will be game then.
    In the meantime see if you can re-read the posting about matriarchial relationships.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me clarify. My crack was inot at “cheap” daru. note the operative word is cheap. In my short life I have had cheap daru… including chang with Tibetans and feni with fishermen on a boat (lucky they were sane enough to manouvre it back to Morjim).

    I understand what you are saying. For me aternative narratives are fine. But then society has to be liveral enough to accept them for all religions and not use them as a tool to say that Hindus are no relgion… it is a mixture of folk tales while others are religions because they only accept one book as final and total.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the SPIN. I haven’t touched the subject of alternate narratives – though it is the context. My point was about the difference in approaches. Luckily for you my comment has been removed for some bizzarre reason providing you a fig leaf to hide your obfuscation and dis-honesty.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am trying…

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  • Anonymous

    People que up after Goa govt slashes petrol prices:

    Long queues were witnessed near petrol pumps throughout Goa after Manohar Parrikar government slashed the petrol prices by Rs 11 since midnight. The petrol pumps ran dry by afternoon owing to mammoth rise in customers forcing the petroleum firms to send additional tankers at various fuel stations. The situation is expected to normalise by evening.

    The state government has brought down 22 per cent VAT on petrol to just 0.1 per cent pulling down the prices. A litre of petrol now costs Rs 54.96 here as against Rs 65 per litre priced till yesterday.

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  • Anonymous

    Hate crime in US.

    Why was a Muslim mother beaten to death in the US? :

    On March 21, Shaima Alawadi, a 32-year-old Iraqi Muslim and mother of five, was found brutally beaten at her home in El Cajon, a community just east of San Diego that is home to more than 50,000 Iraqi immigrants. A note left next to her read, “go back to your country you terrorist.’

    Alawadi, who died at a local hospital three days later, was found by her 17-year-old daughter, who told reporters last week that her mother had been beaten on the head repeatedly with a tire iron. She also said her mother had dismissed a previous threatening note found outside the house, thinking it was a child’s prank.

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  • Anonymous

    Almost everything is up for sale. From a news report in the Washington Post:

    - $90 a night for prison upgrade – quiet jail cell – for non-violent offenders in Santa Ana, CA
    - $8,000 for Indian surrogate mother (outsource to Indians at 1/3rd the cost here)
    - $250,000 to shoot an endangered black rhino in South Africa (apparently as an incentive to ranchers to raise endangered species!)
    - $10.50 for the right to emit a metric ton of carbon dioxide (in EU)
    - $500,000 to immigrate to US
    -
    to make some money :
    - sell space on your forehead to display commercial advertising for $10,000
    - serve as human guinea pig in a drug-safety trial for pharmaceutical co for $7,500
    - Fight in Afghanistan for private military contractor $1000/day
    - $2 for a second grader in an underachieving Dallas school per book they read

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The whole thing is that ke bhaiyaa, sabse baDaa rupaiyaa.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    World revolves around money.

    There is a Khoja community in which there is concept that sometimes
    you can pay money to another person who will offer namaz on your behalf.
    There are some very strict guidelines which one has follow to avail this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Currently my office loo is being re-done up, Everyone has to climb 16 steps , that is one floor above to use the toilet.. The popular joke in office is

    a) The boss is staring at the computer half the day and does’nt even get up to go to the loo. let us check up… what sites he stares at…

    Well.. they would be pretty disappointed to see me on this site..and other news sites..

    b) The popular joke is… wish we could pay someone to go up… and take a leak on our behalf… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really interesting Binoy…

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  • Anonymous

    Government thinking of doing away with Haj subsidy: SM Krishna

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Government-thinking-of-doing-away-with-Haj-subsidy-SM-Krishna/articleshow/12506144.cms

    External affairs minister S M Krishna on Monday said the government is having “second thoughts” on continuing the Haj subsidy as a number of Muslim organisations have demanded its abolition.

    A large number of Muslim organisations have approached the Centre, seeking abolition of the subsidy concept for Haj, he told reporters here when asked if there are plans to provide similar package for Christian pilgrims going to the Holy Land.

    ————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    It is good that the request came from the Muslim organizations.

    However, I do not think the Congress govt will waive it even if pressured by Muslim organizations.

    It is like the military contracts here – there were requests by the military that they did not want the Ospry (some sort of military helicopter) and a tank program (T 20 or something like that).. But the US congress continue to fund it because of the lobbying by the military contractors..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    I only hope it does – subsidies for all pilgrimages must be stopped – otherwise there is no end to this, given the plethora of religions and sub-religions. The State is supposed to be religion-neutral. The only ‘religion’ it is supposed to adhere to is the Indian Constitution.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps the government may stop it if the BJP were to demand increase of the Haj allowance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Actually BJP should ask Modi to demand increase in Haj
    allowance. I can guarantee that immediately it will stop.

  • Anonymous

    @ Vinay

    I find your analysis of ” voluminous writing” quite interesting.

    Does it work like that ?

    I am not sure how long it took you to write this passage of 869 words and 4104 characters. But I am sure many people can’t write this passage so eloquently even in 3 days.

    What’s the difference?

    In modern language, it’s the core competency or simply the ability.

    So perhaps the author had extra-ordinary abilities. Do we know any others facets of the author other than his creation of this literature. Perhaps he dedicated a major portion of his life authoring this. And when one is on song, the pen just flows.

    Another reason why it couldn’t be a creation of multiple writers is that the characters in this voluminous literature were consistent.The nuances were maintained all through.

    That’s difficult. Though Salim Javed managed a great collaboration.

    But Mahabharat is no Sholay !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay Sir,

    though Vedavyasa Maharshi is the author of the epic, it was dictated to Lord Vinayaka, who wrote it as a mahakavitha. You are right and Vinay is wrong. Mahabharat and Ramayana both were written by single hands.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjayji

    You had said you were a fan of jasoosi novels and you had even written one. Well why dont you pick up your pen again?

    You have an ear to the ground on what is happening in the Congress office. Why not a jasoosi novel on all the intrigue… and …

    Let us call the novel, “Agent Vinod -2 ”

    This time let us get Ajay Devgun to be the hero… :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sanjay

    What does write here means?

    It is well recognised that many of the stories and characters included in Mahabharata and Ramayana pre-date the authors to whom these works are attributed.

    Is that not your understanding?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Write means Likhna

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ha ha. And in what sense does Sanjay mean Likhna.

    Compose or transcribe or a bit of both

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Not fair. I have done the hard work, at least for the easy one you should put some efforts.

    Ravi Reply:

    Are you suggesting that I put no effort in my posts.

    I genuinely want to know what Sanjay means when he uses the word WRITE, is it meant in the same way as COMPOSED or is it meant by way of describing the act of transcribing – committing to text – a set of stories that previously have been passed down from one generation to another orally.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Aadat se majboor hoon. I was just joking.

    Ravi Reply:

    I kind a gathered that, hence why my response started with a ha ha.

  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————
    ~~ ALTERNATIVE VERSIONS OF RAMAYANA ~~ and alternative narratives ~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    There is a certain smugness on this blog as there is in Indian life that stamp of liberalism can only be given in case one proudly endorses the various versions of Ramayana.

    A person like me… who becames an atheist when he tries to understand earthquakes, the forces of light, gravity ,water, sun, temperature, wind, air pressure…. and becomes religious when drunk and worshipping the earth (dharti), the sun (surya), the wind (pavan), … finds all this a bit two faced and irrational.

    Why not then discover and discuss alternative narratives in all religions?

    Now there is going to be a deathly silence here.

    For example can the Delhi and Indian university ask its students to study and debate

    a) Alternative versions of Sikhism like nirankari, Radhasoami, Dera Sacha Sauda

    b) Alternative versions of Islam, like Ismaili muslims accepting Aga khan as the head, Qadianis accepting their own prophet, Naqshbandis with their own religious belief, Dawoodi Bohras with their own head and separate Islamic beliefs. The Wahabbis who are violent and in know way reflect the prophet’s reformatary approach.

    Why does;nt the Delhi university have a course on this. I can send a recommendation on behalf of Manohar, Ravi and Engrich who feel so passionate about Ramanujan, that they would want such a course on different Islamic beliefs also.

    c) various sects of Christianity like Scientolgy, mormons, Rebirth of Christ. Why not have an essay on this?

    ——————————————————————–
    We can ask Vinod Sharmaji to send all this as a recommendation on behalf of the NMC.

    I think the silence from all the enthusiasts who want Ramunjan’s essay would answer this post :) :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Hinduism believes and practices inclusiveness.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And I hope we remain inclusive forever. I beleive in nuetrality and want to test our biased people who claim netrality but run away when the same standards are appled elsewhere.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Which strain of Hinduism are you referring to?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Majority.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Correct. What do we then tell the intolerant minority?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    There is enough space for everyone in the sociiety.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me rephrase my question. Why should an intolerant minority prevent you and me from reading a book? Does that space not belong to us too? To drive home the point, how can a loony minority prevent an essay being part of the course by threats and intimidation?

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why we should unban the Satanic Verses in India and Pakistan. yes, why should an intolerant minroty lead by the Former COngress PM– rajiv Gandhi, ban human thought.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Selective amnesia.

    M F Hussain’s paintings, Ramanujan’s essay, Jaswant Singh’s book (being banned by Modi).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Now you are looking for an idealistic society. Is it really possible? Even if Ram takes
    a rebirth I doubt that he would be able to bring in Ram Rajya.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In that case, your original statement
    (Hinduism believes and practices inclusiveness)
    is false.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Now you are putting words in my mouth which do not belong to me.
    Did I ever claim that Hinduism is perfect ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, I was not.

    You did not.

    Agree.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, read my above assertion about the congressi troll and his statement below. Do you still have any doubt about what I said?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    With Ravi around, manoharji is inclined to give answers which he thinks will make Ravi happy. It is quite comical… really…

    @ manohar

    I think you should have the moral courage to maintain independence of thought and not succumb to peer pressure by Ravi to support wahabbis…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Me and moral courage to be neutral and have independence of thought? Nah! Not possible, as you will not find a bigger coward than me on this planet. Isn’t it obvious for the last one year? You win, I lose.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Is this logic operating here?

    Since I oppose Hindu Right, then it can easily be said that I oppose the entirety of Hinduism, which in turn leads to me supporting Islam. Once you are there then it is a short step to me supporting Wahabism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are logic itself.
    At times it is drooping, like your walrus moustache.
    At most other times it is twisted. That is all.

    Ravi Reply:

    Indeed why not.

    But how does that come to defend the SANGH’s objection to Ramanuja’s article.

    The basic reason is because it goes against the SANGH’s attempt to homogenise Hinduism and give it some muscle. Heterogeneity is considered as retardant to this social engineering project. That leads to denigration of all such commentators white and brown alike whose views are described as left-wing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So what should we start with? Sikh– which you claim you are, or Muslim narrative/

    in the end let us also hae a pact to request Vinod Sharmaji to ask the GOI to recommend alternative narratives in various religions to be included in history books of Indian schools and colleges.

    Remember this can be a tricky issue. Some of the alternative narratives have people claiming they are hte descendents o Gods and the prophets…

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    You start, which ever you choose.

    I will join in. Sikhism included, Islam included. However the marriage of Mohammad to a 9 yr 3 month and 3 day old girl then you are on your own among well-chosen 72 virgins, Vagina’s and invitations to rape.

    They are your personal views and abhorrent to the last pixel.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was quoting Wendy on a burqa covered woman’s mouth looking like a vagina inviting rape. i am saying that you cannot call Wendy a goddess in case she sexually intreprets Hindu thought… but dislike her, in case she uses her limited knowledge to do the same for Islam.

    Ravi Reply:

    No you most certainly were not.

    You were isolating a phrase from page 68 that you neither read nor understood.
    Your mischief was widely noted here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You call it mischief… when I just quoted your godess who was qriting nonsense about Islam, which I admire… and you are insulting….

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic, you only demean yourself with stuff like that.

    I thought you are capable of better than that, perhaps I am wrong.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank for reminding me. My project partners got a special card printed for me… which jus says

    1/7000000000

    That in this world of seven billion there is only one nut as nutty as you. (me)

    You confirmed the doubts I had of myself. :)

    Ravi Reply:

    What can I say. Ego ho to aisi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ego cheez hi aisi hai…
    na..chorri jaaye….

    mere yaar ki jais hai…. na chorri jaaye….na…

    Ravi Reply:

    You choose.

    Your choice should not be based upon what I claim to be or not. I am quite capable of discussing ALL matters, irrespective of my personal association with them or not.
    At which stage will you become personal, abusive and start bringing in totally irrelevant tangents into the argument. Such as Saudi Arabia which you bring in quite frequently.
    As for lobbying Mr Vinod Sharma, that is your game not mine.

    I do not know him and unlike others here, have never ever seen him perform on the TV. I do not watch TV channels he seem to frequent.

    BTW I do not give a फरूखाबाद के आम की गुठली as to what you think I am or am not. Fake will do, if that floats your फरूखाबादी boat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay has seen Vinod Sharma.
    In fact, some of us believe that HE IS Vinod Sharma.
    Proof: Vinod Sharma went to Pakistan with Vajapayee.
    Sanjay participated in a conference at PM’s house(no less!) Two people on this blog cannot be so close to the same PM!
    QED

    Anonymous Reply:

    Any objection to Ramanujan’s article is idiotic and should be ignored.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan.

    But why?

    How many people would u like to IGNORE, the list is growing.

    Mohan, I misunderstood you. But I still think we should not ignore the opposition to Ramanuja’s article. They managed to get it out of the DU reading list.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is another intolerance brewing. This time it is in the Aurobindo Ashram – Pondicherry.

    Chidambaram to decide on Heehs’ visa tomorrow

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-04-01/chennai/31269636_1_peter-heehs-visa-historians

    Home minister P Chidambaram will review the decision to cancel the visa of American historian Peter Heehs, who wrote the controversial biography ‘The Lives of Sri Aurobindo’ in 2008. He will make his decision by Monday, he told reporters.

    The Puducherry foreign regional registration office had told Heehs, who lives at the Sri Aurobindo Ashram here, that his visa, set to expire in the second week of April, would not be extended. Heehs has lived in India since the 1970s, working in the ashram archives to digitize and edit the writings of freedom fighter and spiritual leader Sri Aurobindo.

    ——————

    This country is already an intolerant entity. Disgusting.

    Ravi Reply:

    So much for inclusiveness

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Frankly I am not aware of what was the effect of opposition to Ramanujan’s article.
    My simple views on this subject is :

    I accept Ms. Donniger’s alternate versions as she or any one else had right to their opinion, similarly I also accept the opposition to Ramanjan’s article for the same reason
    as long as they do not resort to violence. But I do not endorse their views.
    Once agian without his permission I will use Vinay’s line.
    Endorsement is not an acceptance.
    That is why I just choose to ignore them. But in reality I am not able to as I keep on
    discussion them on this blog.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I will spare you the discussion, since you do not want to discuss it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    opposition to Ramujan’s articale should be ignored as much as much as Wendy Doniger insulting Islam and Hinduism. Can we for example have an essay on how Qadinis extended Islam by having a living prophet?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    In this case I will not compare both religions as the tolerance level of the majority
    of the people in both religions is different.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    For me that is the essensce of the issue. For discussing Hindus– you need to be tolerant lecture.

    For discussing Islam— shhhhh… please dont say anything as tolerance is low….

    Ravi Reply:

    That depends upon how one discusses.

    Your style starts with women can not drive in Saudi, Mohd married his friends daughter, etc etc.

    That is no way to discuss anything. However it is a perfect way to RANT of which you are an undisputed champion here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What is wrong in stating the truth that women cannot drive in Saudi? Or looking into the matter that that the Muslim personal law condemns 50% Mulsims that is women into a state of inequality?

    be rational and face the truth.

    Ravi Reply:

    Nothing wrong in telling the truth. The issue is with how it is used in supporting a pathetic arguement.

    A bit like in a junior school debate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    frankly you need to have a young mind to see the new India.

    Ravi Reply:

    BTW Hinduism condemns more than half of India’s population in Caste Ghetto from which they have no hope to ever climb out. Despite recent improvements and 8% growth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    most of caste is a fiigment of your pathetic mind living in a drunken state of stupor.

    Most of the hindu chief miststers and Minister– Akhilesh yadav, nitish kumar, mayawati, Sivraj Chauhan, raman SIngh, narendra modi, etc etc are all from what you condemn as lower castes.

    Your mind has stopped evolving frankly. My advice– live in the truth… not in self created fiction.

    Ravi Reply:

    Have a read of this, with your young mind.

    It is well known that caste discrimination against Dalits is rampant in India. In an overt form, it is both a political reality and social fact. Dalits are subjected to violence, especially in rural areas, their women raped, and their land stolen. Dalits perform the most dangerous and odious forms of labour in Indian society including that of manual scavenging (removing human or animal waste) or performing low-end ‘dirty’ wage labour in tanneries.

    http://www.hindu.com/2007/08/18/stories/2007081856301200.htm

    Anonymous Reply:

    zxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzx

    Anonymous Reply:

    you are back to your rancid way of “5000 dalit women are raped every day in Indsia by upper castes.”

    Very typical, very jihadi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I am getting ‘confused’ following this thread. What is this debate about – women not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia or is it about Sikhism / Islam or is it something else?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Manohar. Ravi got in the correct fact of Women not being allowed to drive in Saudia. he should tell us why they are considered inferior, not to be allowed to drive..

    Ravi Reply:

    Best ask Vijay

    He thinks that I am keen to discuss Hindu issues, but will become shy, if he was to point out imperfections in Sikhism or Islam. He is not quite sure which of those religions I belong to. His two advisers constantly remind him that I am a Muslim.
    I have agreed to discuss with him which ever religion he chooses, so long the discussion is not restricted to what happens in Saudi Arabia, like women not being able to drive and the fact that Mohd married his friend’s young daughter. Both these are low tide marks of the level of his debating skills.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why don’t you say that Mohammed was wrong, even if the mores were perhaps more liberal in his areas of operation and in his time?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    IMO majority of the people are not mature enough to discuss this serious issue
    dispassionately without bringing in their biases.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Agree. Plus any objection to anyone writing anything. Wish the fundamentalists were sensible enough to listen to your advice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am for total freedom of speech on every issue.
    My only beef is that why is Islam or violent ideologies exempt?

    When people quote hadiths regarding Mohd. which people like Ravi find uncomfortable, there is lot of howling by liberals & Islamists.

    The people should be allowed to interpret Quran, Hadiths, Sunna as they like. Don’t you think so?

    As far as hinduism is concerned, I in fact enjoy criticism of hindu faith because it makes me wonder even after getting slammed by so many people, this religion still survives.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hindu religion or way of life survives because vast majority (I could guess and say 80%) of its adherents are tolerant, welcoming and accept others – in short live and let live. IMO, the problem makers are the 20% and we know who we are talking about.

    I see no reason as to why other ideologies/religions be exempt from any criticism – if all their protagonists and followers are intolerant. they have big problem on their hands and is known to all?

    AFAIK, Ravi is never uncomfortable with discussing anything under the sun. Read his reply to my post further down. His opposition to Hindu-right wingers is translated (by his opponents here) as he supports Islam and all its negatives – it is not correct. I too oppose the Hindutva forces, that does not mean I support Islam or any other violent ideologies – I am against all such violent strains.

  • Anonymous

    ==================================================================
    ~~~ THE FINAL or maybe semifinal note~~~ TO A FRUSTRATING satisfying day ~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    As I move in from my lawn and get set to hammer this one in…

    A toast to all my friends on this blogs…Salaam.. what would life be without you guys…. :)

    A toast to all my enemies on the blog…. Salaam… what would life be without you guys… :)

    Now here are a few facts. let everyone absorb them for sure.

    The earth is 4.32 billion years old by one calculation. No religion ever predicted this.

    Man in its present form is 40,000 year old. No religion ever predicted this.

    The sun is the reason for this earth. The day it dies… we die. Unless relgious fanatics of the Osama kind end up blowing us all– including themselves–first… all in the hope that their religion would win.

    Most religions state that the earth was born some 2-3000 years back. So thay all get it wrong.

    The only religion which makes sense is worshipping the elements which sustain you and not destroying them for furthering the thought of your own chosen one.

    In between the 4.32 billion years and now we have strains of thought which satisfy people for some time. Call them religion if you must. Dont fight for them… because they need to keep evolving.

    In case you are bound to a book… well intrepret the book, only till if it is consonense with equality of man.. equality of man and woman… equality of people with different beleifs… equality between beleivers and atheists….

    Othersiwe just smile and move on… and just remember that we need to keep evolving our books…

    To this I fill a glass of beer… and say… Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssss !!!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Kaun chahta hai sapnon ki duniya se bahar aaye
    Par jeena hai to haqeeqat mein rehna zaroori hai.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Mohan!

    Bilku sahi farmaya… !

    Would have a sound sleep tonight… imagining that even if some mad cap blows up the world as I go to sleep u will still regale us with jokes up there…

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Congress questions BJP’s ‘deafening’ silence on Gujarat CAG report

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-questions-BJPs-deafening-silence-on-Gujarat-CAG-report/articleshow/12509239.cms

    Excerpt

    “BJP had wiped out an entire session of Parliament (on the CAG report on 2G issue)…. Here the fundamental question is why deafening silence of the BJP central leadership on the findings of the CAG report presented in Gujarat Assembly”, party spokesman Manish Tewari told reporters.

    Recalling that the Modi Government was forced to table the report under the orders of the state governor, he alleged that the BJP government there violated all established norms for tabling the report and even suspended the entire opposition from the House.

    ————–

    Deafening indeed. Manish Tiwari is really ’stupid’. Does he not know that the BJP uses two different standards while sitting in judgment – one for themselves (we are sooo clean and honest) and another for others (you are soooo corrupt and dishonest)?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am no expert on financial matter but here is a blog for you. See if it makes sense to you.

    http://dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/51345-decoding-cag%E2%80%99s-audit-of-gujarat.html

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks.

    I will read in detail in the morning and come back. Though it is disturbing to note as to why the Government was reluctant to place the report in the assembly (it has to) and the Governor had to intervene, now this is according to Manish Tiwari, so one has to see where the truth lies – reading all available media reports.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    No offence but Manish Tiwari is basically a person with long tongue but it is not connected to his brain.

    I think this corruption allegations are at PSU level and UPA govt. should investigate the extent of Gujarat govt. involvement.

    Most important thing will be if ministers from Modi cabinet or Modi himself were making money out of these scams.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We will continue this debate in the morning. I think it is time to say Good Night, it is 2-30 AM here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As you were MIA for some days, here are the previous posts for you to take view.

    CAG raps Narendra Modi govt for Rs 17,000 cr losses

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/CAG-raps-Narendra-Modi-govt-for-Rs-17000-cr-losses/articleshow/12476483.cms

    Excerpts

    The Comptroller and Auditor General reports for 2009-10 and 2010-11, placed before the Gujarat assembly on the last day of the budget session on Friday, tore into the Narendra Modi government on the issue of corruption by pointing out irregularities causing a cumulative loss of nearly Rs 17,000 crore.

    ———–

    With all but four Congress MLAs suspended from the House, there could be no debate on the damning CAG reports. As soon as the house began functioning on Friday, MLAs Rajendrasinh Parmar, Paranjayadityasinhji Parmar, Jodhaji Thakore and Amit Chavda sought discussion on CAG report, which the speaker Ganpar Vasava disallowed.

    The quartet rushed to the well carrying banners on CAG. They were suspended, quite predictably, and escorted out by the security staff.

    Does it smell of any hanky-panky? Nah! Modi and hanky-panky, not possible if one has to believe ‘neutral’ people and ……………..?

    ===============================
    ===============================

    CAG pulls up Guj firm for ‘benefits’ to Adani, Essar

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Gujarat/CAG-pulls-up-Guj-firm-for-benefits-to-Adani-Essar/Article1-833146.aspx

    Excerpts

    The CAG on Friday pulled up Gujarat government company, GSPC for extending undue benefits to Adani Energy and Essar Steel and said the company’s poor management of oil and gas exploration business led to over Rs 5,000 crore loss. The report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG), which was tabled in the state assembly today, said GSPC bought natural gas from the open market (spot market) and sold it to the Adanis at a price lower than the purchase price. CAG estimated that Adani Energy received undue benefit of Rs 70.54 crore in the process.

    ———–

    The main reasons for the incorrect estimation, CAG said, was adoption of deficient geological model prepared by its joint venture partnre, Geo Global Resources of Canada, which led to escalation in the cost of exploration phase from Rs 531.94 crore to Rs 6,265.68 crore.

    =======

    It is rotten state of affairs all across the country – does not matter which party is in power – the Congress, the BJP or the regional players.

    ===============================
    ===============================

    CAG diagnosis: ‘Bimaru’ Gujarat

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/CAG-diagnosis-Bimaru-Gujarat/articleshow/12497583.cms

    The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has come down hard on the state government over water pollution.

    Denting the green image of Gujarat, CAG, in its 2011-12 ‘civil’ report, claimed that there is an “upward trend” in the incidence of water-borne diseases due to heavily polluted water sources.
    —————

    The CAG claimed the number of cases of acute diarrheal disease went up from 5.67 lakh in 2008 to 6.73 lakh in 2010; viral hepatitis from 10,051 to 16,234; enteric fever from 12,850 to 38,775; and cholera from 50 to 573. CAG said though rapid response teams were made available to fight these diseases, “water pollution continued to pose a perennial challenge to the public health system in the state”

    —————

    Bimaru was a term coined for Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh – the most backward of all states. It is sickening to note that ‘progressive’ Gujarat actually falls in this category on the health front, notwithstanding the booming medical tourism in the state.

    ================================

    The above are pointing out the negatives and the Daily Pioneer are showing the positives.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The two main stream parties need to change their spokespersons – Tiwaris, Renukas, Javdekars, Rudis, etc. They do a signal disservice to their parties the moment they open their mouths on TV.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Totally agree with you. The ‘Tu Tu mein mein’ between Congress and BJP spokesperson has become so predictable that if you watch them once, you have watched them for whole month.

  • Ravi

    Better late than never

    US puts a $10m bounty on Pakistan-based 26/11 plotter

    Telling India that it hasn’t forgotten the role of Pakistan-based terrorists in the Mumbai attacks, the US has placed mastermind and Lashkar-e-Taiba chief patron Hafiz Muhammed Saeed along with his jihad financier brother-in-law Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki on the most-wanted terrorist list and announced a reward of $10 million (Rs 51 crore) and $3 million, respectively, for their arrest.

    The reward puts Saeed at par with Taliban founder Mullah Omar, who the US holds responsible for 9/11.

    ++++++

    The big question is why NOW?

    Is this related to an un-official visit to India announced by the Pakistan President? Or is it related to a report recently in the news that US admits its failure to persuade the Pakistan Army to stop playing with Jihadi’s particularly in relation to India.

    Read on…. http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/US-puts-a-10m-bounty-on-Pakistan-based-26-11-plotter/Article1-834632.aspx

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    US will have to issue a bond to pay this amount, and buyer of this bond would
    be China, Japan or India. In reality US would not be paying this bounty.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    On what do you base this assertion?

    How the reward is financed should not make any difference to the outcome.
    Anyone who wins this reward does not care if a bond was used to raise the cash.
    Unless what you are suggesting is that US will not honour the reward because it is bankcrupt.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    1. I did not mean that.
    2. I did not mean that.
    3. I did not mean that.

    And finally you did not understood my sarcasm that US lives on borrowed money
    and the bounty which they will pay will be from that borrowed money which they
    will/have collect/collected by issuing bonds. And by the way any issue of bonds by US usually is in
    hundreds of Millions of Dollars and sometimes in Billions.

    Ravi Reply:

    I get it.

    I am still not in tune with your sarcasm. My predeliction to seriousness makes me miss occasions when you have your tongue deeply embeded into your cheek.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Mazak ki aisi aadat par gayi hai ki iske bagair rah nahin paoonga
    Rokte hai log magar par unki batein sun nahin paoonga
    Ab to yeh aadat meri dawa si ban gayi hai
    Nahin kiya Mazak to shayad mar hi jaoonga.

    Ravi Reply:

    मोहन भाई मज़ाक ज़ारी रखिये, मेरी फ़िक्र मत करीये

    Anonymous Reply:

    Terror is indeed serious business.
    The sooner Mohan understands this the better.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I can handle myself. Thanks for our concern.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The comment was for fake Ravi, who has made terror his business, which is why he says he takes it seriously.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    The question is what will Pakistan do now? Will they deny they are in Pakistan and proceed to put them in safe houses in Abbottabad?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    They will probably become house guests of Dawood Ibrahim and according to
    Pakistan, Dawood does not live there.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Pakistan will do what it has been doing for the last few decades, it will tell US that it does not understand Pakistan’s strategic goals. It will re-iterate that it is in existential threat from India and therefore within its right to defend itself with any or all means.

    Pakistan state will continue to use religious elements to do its dirty work and religious elements will use Pakistan state resources to additionally carry out activities to support their religious objectives.

    Things will continue as thay have been for many a year.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is no news on that here. None of the TV networks or news services has announced it here (in US).

    If the news is true, I think it does not have anything to do with Zardari visit, but to put the army on notice. However, there was a news few days ago that the army/US relations are improving.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    By announcing this reward now, the US is creating an atmosphere within which the Zardari visit will take place. India will be able to ask Zardari, look now that US have decalred a reward, what is your position.

    In that regard I feel that the timing is connected to that visit.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I just got an SMS that Zardari is negotiating with the US Secretary of State for an increase in the bounty, so that he can assuage the hurt feelings of Hafiz Bhai. It is also rumoured that Zardari may try to hand over the terror head himself for pocketing the bounty, if it is raised to say Rs.25o crores.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Now Mr.Zardari is aiming for full amount, he is no more satisfied at getting his
    usual 10% .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    Here is the link.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/US-announces-10-million-bounty-on-Lashkar-chiefs-head/articleshow/12510283.cms

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-

    I think this is an “april fool” stuff.

    NYT, AP News, or any other news organizations here has published this.

    Strange that it is only in Indian papers…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    Wow. Indian media is faster than their counterparts in US. Or do they have
    undercover agents in US government ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-

    I think this is an unfounded news item. $10MM is the reward given for the “most wanted”, and this would have definitely made as a big news item here if it was true…….

    As usual Indians are fudging…(just kidding)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    Rewards for Justice

    http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page=saeed&language=english

    I believe this is US Govt. Website.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If the news is false – then the Indian media will have nowhere to look.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    I don’t find religion interesting but I still believe in my religion because to me it represents my roots.

    I agree with Islam-ists and left liberals on Eklavya who was cheated by Dronacharya. I read mahabharata (school book version) in grade 8 and instantly realised that Dronacharya was a chea.t and Arjun a brat. As far as I am concerned, I am doubly convinced that Pandavas especially arjun represented Babalogs of that time. Dronacharya was one selfish guru who sold his soul for royal privileges.

    Now I want to ask if my Islam-ist and left liberal friends agree with me that Aisha, the child bride was robbed of her childhood by her father and her husband Mohammad (who was 51 years older than 6 year old Aisha). Mohd. has s.e.x with her when she was 9. What about her? Why did Mohd. do that to her?

    Pl. reply honestly because justice knows no religion.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    My answer is same what I told Vijay. Majority of the people are not
    mature enough to discuss this serious matter dispassionately without
    bringing in their bias.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    A small point here. Biases are fine – it would be impossible for human beings to live without biases. Evolved behavior is not having “un-biased” thinking. It is impossible to pursue such a goal. Instead, evolved behavior is apparent by the ways biases are defended , at times yielding to counter-arguments, or – as mostly happens in civilised discussions – highlighting the precise nature of dis-agreements.
    As for getting rid of biases – the journey to do so may be far more personal and rigorous than is apparent.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Overall I agree with your post. However, from my personal
    experience even highlighting the precise nature of disagreements create rifts and unnecessary misunderstandings. Some people just cannot take
    any disagreement.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agreed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you are connecting two totally unrelated matters and expect an answer.

    As to your poser, shouldn’t other members on this blog, who happen to be Muslims – ShoebK, etc. be answering that question, as their knowledge of their religion would be better than the rest? Please ask them – why and whether justifiable

    I will answer from purely from a non-religious angle. Judging by our present value systems, it was wrong. We have had similar problems here too – child marriages (as judged against our values today) and marriages between adults and minors – mind you I am not justifying either.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev, look at the spin this congressi troll has put on the issue.

    Why should only Shoeb and Parvez answer the questions about Mohammed’s life?

    Why can’t a non-Muslim like you have the same or even better understanding of the religion and its text?

    We had one professor of chemistry, Dr. Gajendragad, who was a Muslim, but he had such command over the Hindu scriptures that ignoramuses like me used to listen to him spell bound. I therefore feel knowledge can never have the restrictive bounds of religious adherance.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I wonder how wendy would represent all this and whether it would draw the same applause from Ravi, Manohar and mahesh….

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sigh ………
    BTW, I am surprised that your post had no references to human anatomy. Bored ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know you will get bored. Of course you, Ravi and Manohar will go into hiding in case Wendy Doniger were to give graphic descriptions of.the prophet’s marriage and the satanice verses.

    Is it not right Mahesh? Your silence will signal your assent :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Forget Ms. Donniger – I am more concerned about you. Your severally repeated “anatomically inclined” posts betrayed your gaining a sense of enjoyment from them. Now it all has started dis-appearing . So, how are you managing these days without them ? Answer if you wish to – your right to privacy is well respected.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I wish to humbly submit that Ms Donniger and her sexual analysis of religious texts was the issue. Unfortunately you took the sex out of context and probably went into a state of “enjoyment.”

    My freudian psychoanalysis is that you want the discussion to go back to “anatomically inlcined” as it may result in some incline…

    Of course this posting is for your eyes only, and I request fellow bloggers not to peep in here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This humility – how truly moving. Tears rolled out of my eyes pal.
    As for your point – I missed it buddy , I missed it in this thread of discussion. Maybe my tear filled eyes hid those words from me. But then , am glad to have missed it. Stay there where you are – see if others can join you in at your level. Feel free to enjoy your endeavours.
    One last thing, Thanks for that generous overture of distributing a dose of pulp wisdom – I have to turn down your offering, though.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well if you can accept the pulp wisdom of Shrimati Wendy ex- flaharty– as the truth, I am deeply hurt that you cannot accept the Freudian psychoanlysis from an ex-admirer of Herr Sigmund Freud… who now admires feni more…

    I thought my post was fairly obvious and maybe you did not wish to look at the truth there.

    If you miss the point I am on
    You will know that truth has gone…

    You can hear the Truth whistle blow…
    A hundred miles…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clap , Clap , Clap !!!
    Thanks , but no Thanks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    sarcasm ill-behoves you.

    Mahesh is Mahesh only when the posts are long, generally boring and not commonly understood but all the same appreciated for their lack of “wit and humour” by the fellow congressi troll and fake Ravi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dhanywaad. Hamari Shaan me aap aur kuch pesh karna chahoge toh hum sunne ke liye raazi hai !!!

  • Anonymous

    BREAKING NEWS=========BREAKING NEWS
    ————–======————–=====————————

    Hafiz Saeed, on whose terrorist head the US has put a prize of $10million, is mighty angry.

    He feels that this is one hell of a Zionst, Brhmnst conspiracy to discredit him by downgrading the importance the US is attaching to his head, because another terrorist, Aiman Jawahiri of the Al-Qaeda has $25million bounty on his head.

    The immediate effect of this downgrading in terror importance can be seen from the post of one Ravi (who is of course a fake), who is an LeT operative last seen in Tora Bora, lauding the US action!

    It is rumoured in Pakistan that to show how mighty an organisation he has built, Hafiz Saeed has instructed all his operatives (who include one engrich and the fake Ravi earlier mentioned) to ignite all the bombs planted for a Dipawali release.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think a better way to do it would be to announce YSD 10 million for anybody who sends hafeez Saeed to jannat.

    Someone from his own flock would probably do this.

    Since Inida would be too scared to announce this, let us ask the Americans to do this.

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  • Anonymous

    Babus dash MBA sarpanch’s plans to transform villages

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Babus-dash-MBA-sarpanchs-plans-to-transform-villages/articleshow/12487831.cms

    JAIPUR: The same month last year she spoke at the UN about transforming rural India by ensuring basic facilities like drinking water, electricity, toilets, schools and jobs for the villagers through panchayats.

    The youngest and MBA graduate sarpanch of Rajasthan, Chhavi Rajawat on Saturday said the panchayats should be closed down. The reason: petty government officers were not allowing the elected representatives to work. Public utility works were being “deliberately and maliciously” held up in government procedures by ‘biased’ officers. The rural police, too, were being controlled by such officers.

    ————-

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I had read about this lady Ms. Rajawat. She seems to be very honest and
    sincere person and wants to something good for rural India. I hope she is
    able to overcome the hindrances posed by babus and is allowed to do
    the good job she is trying to doing.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Given the circumstances, I hope she does not give up and moreover there is help coming her way soon from the right quarters.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Ageing India will see a rise in widows, warns WHO

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ageing-India-will-see-a-rise-in-widows-warns-WHO/articleshow/12511487.cms

    Excerpts

    The World Health Organization (WHO) on Monday warned India that feminization of its ageing population could lead to a rapid increase in its number of widows.
    ————

    She added, “Being a male-dominated society and given the fact that women in India rely on their husbands for the provision of economic resources and social status, a large percentage of older women are at risk of dependency, isolation, and/or dire poverty and neglect.”
    ————

    According to the 2006 World Population Prospects, India’s 80+ will increase more than six times from existing 78 lakh to about 5.14 crore by 2050. Now, 20% of this category in India suffers from Alzheimer’s disease. The 65+ population is expected to quadruple from 6.4 crore in 2005 to 23.9 crore, while those aged 60 and above will increase from 8.4 crore to 33.5 crore over the next 43 years.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~WET WEATHER PREDICTED : ~~~ buckets of fake tears from track 2 gang ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    The announcement of the USD 10 million bounty on Hafeez Saeed’s “khopdi” by the Obama administration is going to yield some very comical results by the “I Luv Hafeez Saeed” gang in India.

    I predict the following spinners by the bleeding hearts.

    a) The US has thrown a spanner just when Indo-pak ties were improving

    b) Zardari’s visit is as good as dead now. He cannot deliver on Hafeez, so we should not embarass him by asking .

    c) Imran Khan, who is the darling of the media aunites, said Hafeez is a good boy, and anyway Imran khan will rein him, once he makes a coalition with hafeez Saeed.

    Well this list is the begining. Not complete yet…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is a classic case of legacy refusing to let go for Present.
    No matter how you look at it or who opines on it – including those interested in and against the status quo , the underlying fact is legacy of Indo-Pak relations is going to be too strong to be wished away. Like it or not.
    It would be interesting to see how powers that be on both sides of border handle this legacy against the current backdrop of “love is in the air”.
    p.s. : Full Disclosure : My own personal bias strongly favours Indo-Pak relationship mature enough to downplay any talk of armed conflict from either side of border. Call me “bleeding heart types” if you will.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    While going through your post, I stopped at ‘Full Disclosure’ and started looking for your photograph which I thought you would have
    posted – Jokes aside – , I really appreciate your optimism where
    friendship with Pakistan is concerned, whereas I would not be
    able to trust them. Ideally friendship with every country is good
    but with Pakistan, I would be very careful.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Friendship is too strong a word. My own sense is minimising the possibility of armed conflict between two countries itself is a formidable task. If even that is achieved – we will have made substantial gains.
    p.s.: You meant – Full Monty ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Of course full Monty and definitely not yours.(:

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good to have a bleeding heart. With Pakistan be prepared for a heart attack also… as they are bound to stab you, just when you think they are beign freinds. I think this is a fake love affair between two-three individuals and cannot cover real issues like terror camps, forcible conversion of minorities, handing over terrorists….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Mahesh, Mohan,

    when lovers’ hearts bleed the atmosphere is suffused with the glow of love.

    when Pakistan lovers’ hearts bleed, there will be seminars, literary conferences, shayari, travel to US at government expenses etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    The money which will be collected due to increase of 2% in service tax will
    be used for these things. Our government is very foresighted, they knew of the
    future expenditure, accordingly they have made the provision.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Unconfirmed reports say that under pressure from Omar Abdullah, the Indian government has expressed displeasure at Gulam Nabi Fai’s two year sentence.

    If true, it is really shocking. On the one hand, it says it has zero tolerance for terror. On the other hand, it wants to sleep with the enemy who is also a terror-sympathiser.

    It is not out of place to mention here that some of the ministers in the MMS government, besides secular editors and bleeding heart liberals took generous helpings of Fai’s elaborate feeding programmes, all expenses paid.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think this government will lick the boots of all… just to remain in power and get votes.

    This is the danger of dynastic rule, more specifically of the Rahul factor who is more of a social butterfly, driving a gravy train which media men climb on to get chapatis… not bothering how the polices destroy India from inside.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Vijay

    Have Ms.Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and our PM apologized to
    Mr. Farouk and Omar Abdullah for not being able to do anything
    to get release of Ghulam Nabi Fai.?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Can you please cite the news-source for these un-confirmed reports ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Very apt question.

    Isn’t it obvious that it is a plain case of RSS Propaganda using lies, falsehoods, untruths and innuendos to target its opponents. Nothing to be surprised at. Where is the question of citing the source or providing the link?

    Nefarious indeed. Notice the serious discussion taking place.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I had posted a reply to your query, but as is usual with my posts, the unkind censor has cut this post too.

    I am quoting this ‘unconfirmed report’ from a letter to the editor of New Indian Express, Bangalore in today’s issue.

    As soon as I get the confirmation you will know it.

    But the latter part, about various “free meal” schemes of this Fai guy being availed by out literati and glitterati as also chatterati is sau ka sau sachch. By God.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Part of the problem with our “official liberals” is their being sold on rhetoric. Pragmatism is one of the last instints they court with when they socialise. Plus, nobody probably suspected Mr.Fai’s linkages – it is really difficult to discern so when you share a platform with somebody you know of only transiently. Somewhere a combonation played out in the form of Mr.Fai.
    As for Congress and the J & K CM – my reading is they would be the first ones to distance themselves from Mr. Fai. Nobody likes to court the muck, you see. It can only be destructive. Those reaching such a high position in power very well understand it. Much better than likes of us who have no stake in power.
    I guess we differ on this – you forming your own guesses and me mine.

  • Anonymous

    Yesterday there was a report in Media about CAG rapping Gujarat government
    for the losses. Manohar provided the link of that new. Thanks Monohar for the link.
    Late last night Rajeev provided the link where Mr. Kanchan Gupta gave clarification
    to the CAG report. Rajeev thanks for link.

    http://dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/51345-decoding-cag%E2%80%99s-audit-of-gujarat.html

    Excerpts from the ariticle by Mr. Gupta.
    Reasons for the loses are given .

    Gujarat State Road Transport Corporation is a public utility company serving the remotest villages. Some of these routes are not financially viable. (The frequent increases in the price of diesel have increased the losses since the corporation has not correspondingly increased the fares looking to the larger public interest.)

    Similarly, Gujarat State Financial Corporation, which used to give loans to small and medium scale sectors, stopped lending from 2001 onwards. In the last 11 years, GSFC has been concentrating on recovery of dues of the earlier 20 years. In 2004, the State Government extended a loan of Rs 550 crore to repay SIDBI (a Government of India organisation) and public sector banks.(The ‘loss’ pointed out by the CAG pertains largely to the interest that is due to the Government from GSFC against this loan to the corporation. It would be absurd to suggest that this ‘loss’ is on account of ‘financial irregularity’.)

    And media have conveniently forgotten to mention where CAG has praised Gujarat
    government in many fields. Mr. Gupta in his article have mentioned those points.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know very convenient media… and manipulative mediapeople…

    With Mamta giving all the Rajya Sabha seats to editors and Maaliks… just see how raag “fun of mamta” becomes “hail Mamta ” in their flutes….

    Bahut mazaa aayega…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Also, the CAG doesn’t have the mandate to count diarrheal deaths in a state. Its duties include auditing the accounts of various state/central govt. departments etc. I have gone through its mandate as per the constitution under “Duties and Powers of the CAG”:

    http://saiindia.gov.in/english/home/about_us/mandate/DPC_act/DPC_act.html

    ——-
    HT reports as suggested by Manohar says:

    The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has come down hard on the state government over water pollution.

    Denting the green image of Gujarat, CAG, in its 2011-12 ‘civil’ report, claimed that there is an “upward trend” in the incidence of water-borne diseases due to heavily polluted water sources.
    ——-

    Now, have we ever heard anything similar from any other state? CAG looking into the cases of water-borne diseases? Someone is cooking stories somewhwere.

    There are other charges as well. I would take time to study them and see if there has been any attempts to favour any industrial group.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I haven’t managed to find any report on Gujrat on CAG’s website in its “recent reports” section. And, I am not prepared to beleive one sided stories as published by HT/ToI.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Thanks vm for pointing out the job of CAG. It seems that CAG
    appointed someone like our friend Engrich to audit books of Gujarat government and as is his nature, the CAG personnel went off the
    track.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    “Now, have we ever heard anything similar from any other state? CAG looking into the cases of water-borne diseases? Someone is cooking stories somewhere”.

    Instead of cribbing and making it something to be anti-Gujarat (Modi) issue, one should welcome such reports. Now Gujarat government, given that it is headed by Modi, should do something about the problem – Modi should pull up the ministers and officials concerned and get things done on a war foooting. Aren’t the people are entitled to better quality of water or should not be a concern because the CAG apparently (as you seem to suggest) is targeting Modi.

    ———-

    Here is a similar report (on a non-financial matter)

    CAG Report: Weapons rot, state bleeds
    Updated Mar 31, 2012 at 11:52am IST

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cag-report-weapons-rot-state-bleeds/244128-60-117.html

    BHUBANESWAR: During October/November last year, the CAG (Comptroller and Auditor-General) checked 48 police stations and outposts. In 13 police stations and four outposts, no weapon was available. Three police stations had to make do with just one pistol. Modern weapons were available in just two stations. In the rest, police had old weapons __ muskets, bayonets and revolvers.
    This sums up the story of Odisha Police which battles the Left Wing Extremists (LWEs). As the Maoists kept police force on tenterhooks, the Government allowed the modern weapons to remain idle in the storehouses. The reason: non-availability of trained personnel.

    —————–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am yet to find the original copy of the report on Gujrat anywhere on the website. As suggested by you (and CAG), the state govt. would now start the work on war-footing to provide cleaner water for the people. I hope that makes you happy now!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you get the impression that I was unhappy? May be surprised at your post – not taking the report in the right spirit. All dissent/criticism must be welcomed, examined dispassionately and corrective measures taken.

    The grounds on which I have objections to Modi are well known.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The CAG reports are to first tabled in the parliament or in the assembly as the case may be and then made public, it would take a few days to be uploaded on the CAG website.

  • Anonymous

    The rumour is that when Imran Khan asked Sir Goldsmith to give Jamaima’s hands (in marriage), Goldsmith asked him “what crime did she do to part off the hands)…..

    I am not for any government-to-government dealings with Pakistan, precisely because nobody is clearly in charge there. Any private party/business-to-business discussion is OK.

    Zardari, with all his faults, would have established good relations with India, were he given free hands (hands again!). But that is not to be.

    Based on the past history, a strong army president is better than a democratically elected president – remember, it was the darling of the west, darling of the pro-democracy guys, Mrs Benazir Bhutto, who started the bleeding and terrorist activities in Kashmir.

    Any energy expended on Pakistan relations should be expended on improving relations with China, structuring a better one with Bangla Desh, and enhancing relations with US. Effort expended on Pakistan will be good money after bad money.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe our Government is always careful in dealing with Pakistan. As we know, any CBMs have generally been from our side and they always bring in the question of Kashmir.

    However, two recent events need to be noted. Pakistan’s request for (finished) petroleum products and they allowing transiting facilities for Indian wheat exports to Afghanistan. In the first case, they get them cheaper (as compared to getting the same from elsewhere, say the Gulf countries). If all goes well, the Indian oil companies will lay a pipeline from refineries in Punjab to some point in Pakistan. In the latter case, they earn to let goods through their territory, instead of letting Iran earn earlier. So it is economics and business sense that is taking a precedence over politics and rhetoric. Moreover, a lot of trade between the two countries takes place via Dubai too. Why increase transhipment and other costs, when the same can be done across the Radcliffe Line at a fraction of the cost?

    It is still a long way to go. We have to welcome the steps, but at the moment, we have take things as they come, step by step.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you are very convincing in your line of argument. No amount of caution on out part would be enough to guard against perfidy.

    Zardari, even if given a free hand, cannot do much, because he always one hand behind to cover his *******. He cannot be sure who comes from behind and………..

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Problem is that he not only does not know who is coming from behind, he is not
    sure how many are comming.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Historically thug states have been a problem. The solution has only come from bifurcation as it was done for germanys. The re union of Pakistan can happen later. But right now we need to continue the process started by creating Bangladesh

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan, the wordsmith, married Miss Goldsmith!

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinay;
    went back and read your posts. I am happy that I did so. was well rewarded. The only difference I found between your situation and mine that I remained atheist about 99% of times. But still remember the old Ram mandir, where as a child, I use to visit and was transported to another world by beutiful bhajans sung by panditji. nostalgia still strikes some time.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    I am so very happy that general tone, tenor and quality of this blog has so drastically improved, and threads are so good that even vinodji is hesitating to change it and introduce a new post.
    Luckily, moderator is also leaving us alone, do not know, whether it is an effect of quality or request to Waiz to spare us or even to the subtle threat of mass desertion.
    Anyway, Vinodji is one of the best sales person, i have come across in media. He keeps the controvery alive and occasionally stokes it. I believe, that when almost nobody’s blog attracts comments in three digits, his crosses into four digits plus.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now Vinodji is going for the double.

    But, Pankaj ji, do not be so sanguine about the modesty of the moderator.

    Whereas previously he was blatant, now he has become unobtrusive, snipping off just a couple of posts from only those marked *** (triple X) in his secret code book.

    Only three people are exempt from any censorship. You know them well.

    Of course, engrich’s posts too have a free passage, because the moderator knows as well as the rest of us (of course engrich himself, poor fellow, doesn’t know it) know that nobody reads them in any case.

    The rest of us poor faithfuls, are all fair game for the censor’s kainchi.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    I had not rolled down and did not see that one of your comment has been censored.
    Ishaq karoge to kamaoge naam’
    Tohmaten milti nahin khairat main.
    sher maunju hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How else one deals with profanity?

  • Anonymous

    I have realized that it is not very nice to always post jokes which have undertones of sex. Now I will post jokes which will have trees, winds cyclone etc.

    Here is this one

    What did the cyclone say to the coconut tree ?
    “You better hold on to your nuts baby, this is not an ordinary ********.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    usually without sexist undertone, your jokes are thoda sa pheeka.

    But, this one is an exception. No sex, not even a hint, but clean fun. I am liking it.

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Sex is a basic force of nature. You can not deny it and you can not suppress it. somebody told long time back that Sex is like spring, more you suppress it more forcefully it will bounce back.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Thanks VM. Friends always give good advise.

    Friendship is like sex. Life has no meaning without it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What? Not even jokes… not even scotch?

  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    I am happy that you did not take umbrage of my joke indirectly hinting at you. All in good humor and jest. I am a game too. you can post whatever you wish. only thing is they should not be vulgar. sex has its own beauty and beauty is very sexual.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I’ll take everything as a joke… I would love to have you as a dialouge writer one day…

    If I ever make a film !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    do not forget to create a “VIcco Vajradanti” type of old man’s role for me. I still have real teeth.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    Staying single is a Style

    Divorce is in Vogue

    Living-in is Common

    Extra marital is Happening

    and

    here we are

    Married — Totally outdated.

    Now you decide what you want to do.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I’ll play russian roullete. Play all… and maybe… lose all !

    Just joking. Hamaara yaar bhi yeh blog padta hai… so I’ll keep it secret. :)

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  • Anonymous

    Ok Manohar/Mohan-

    Saeed bounty hit today’s NY Times.. Interesting development..
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/world/asia/us-offers-10-million-reward-for-pakistani

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/world/asia/us-offers-10-million-reward-for-pakistani

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    As I predicted yesterday.

    Ahead of Zardari visit, India ups pressure over Hafiz Saeed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy & Ravi

    What made US announce the bounty on his head? As he says, he is not hiding in caves. What purpose this will serve? Will Pakistan just hand him over to the US? I do not think so.

    I have a different theory. Perhaps, the US did it on Pakistan’s behest, as he must have become a bit difficult to control or they must have no more use of him. The dirty work was left to the US and Pakistani establishment would not be accused of letting down one of their assets. He would be seen less in public and in the media, as his supporters have already thrown a protective ring around him and he would not take a chance.

    Does this make sense?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes it does.

    It is possible that this is being done on behest of the Pakistan Government.

    But is it with agreement of Military or is it to embarass it as well.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar , Ravi, Binoy,
    The more I look at it the more US desperation becomes visible in this part of Asia. Plus China appears to be fuelling the desperation as well.
    As for Mr. Saeed – we don’t know. Pakistan might just deliver him on the platter – perhaps by insisting a role of international instituions.
    But again predicting future is inherently risky business.

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Time to get Pakistan as a subject for the blog.

    a) It would take the glare from Rahul baba’s failure and dynastic succession being only fit for cuba abd North Korea… not for US< UK, Russia, BRICS adn India…

    b) Interesting times as hafeez Saeed ki khopdi par inaam announce ho gaya hai….

    c) Zardari our bhola friend of India is coming here. Time for some Zardari jokes.

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  • Anonymous

    Kamaraj’s formidable power

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/kamarajs-formidable-power/931250/0

    On August 24, 1963, at a meeting of the Congress Working Committee (CWC), Nehru announced the names of the Union ministers and state chief ministers that were to leave the government to work for the party organisation under the Kamaraj Plan (‘Purge With No Losers’, IE, March 19). The sensation this caused was huge and lasting.Yet, the even greater significance of the committee’s next meeting on October 9 was lost on almost everyone.

    ———-

    The election of the next president of the Congress was not on the working committee’s agenda. However, towards the end of the proceedings, Atulya Ghosh, veteran leader from West Bengal, whispered to Nehru that although his (Ghosh’s) name was circulating as a possible Congress president, he was not interested in the job and would suggest that Kamaraj be elected, for he would invest the post with authority and dynamism. Desai demurred that it was too early to take up the issue, but the consensus among the leaders present was that Kamaraj was the man of the moment. Atulya’s proposal was carried “unanimously” and with apparent ease.

    What was not known to the country and perhaps to most members of the CWC was that Atulya’s suggestion was not a spur-of-the-moment affair but a carefully worked out scheme. Some days before October 9, Congress leaders from non-Hindi-speaking states — Kamaraj (Tamil Nadu), Sanjiva Reddy (Andhra), S. Nijalingappa (Karnataka) and Atulya Ghosh (West Bengal) — had met secretly at the temple town of Tirupathi. S. K. Patil (Maharashtra) was not present but was privy to, and in agreement with, the decision taken by the “Tirupathi Conclave”. Its constituents were collectively nicknamed “The Syndicate”.

    ——–

    The Bhubaneshwar session was still on when Nehru suffered a stroke. This brought the succession issue much closer than expected and simultaneously gave a big boost to Kamaraj’s influence and authority. His plan had already upset the seniority pattern in the cabinet that could have been used to claim legitimacy by aspirants to succeed Nehru. With his enhanced power and all-India stature, Kamaraj was in a pivotal position to shape events in the transitional era that had begun. He amply demonstrated his ability to do so by masterminding the smooth answer to the agonising question: “After Nehru, Who?”

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  • Pankaj#1

    Shenoy Sahab;
    I fear that you may misunderstand my sher. I wanted to say, that when, one is espousing a cuase, passionately, some body will raise their index finger. Your comments are piercing enough, without basics. look forward to your witty approach, as ever.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Dear Mahesh;
    I am missing you. Please do not feel intimidated by folks like Mohan et al. Your ‘ dense’ posts keep me away from Alzheimer disease.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Intimidated ? I thought Mohan was encouraging me to pursue my alternate dream career of being a middle aged (OK, am not yet at the miiddle age) or “approaching middle age” oriental porn icon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Actually I get intimidated by you because the language you use goes over my head most of the time. Now what is this approaching middle age oriental porn icon ?
    How can middle age and porn and icon go together.?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Relax. Do not be intimidated by Mahesh’s posts, though they have, by their sheer length, verbosity, muddled thinking, etc., have that effect on many of us. And he still posts them because he is sure, there are two people here, who, no matter what the post is, will always clap for Mahesh, because he in turn claps for them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Japan has pioneered porn targetted for the senior population . So much so that they even have a oldie Porn star. My attempt at making dig at self had this in mind.
    BTW, Khayaal bura toh nahi hai waisey.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    This is the best complement I have ever got in my whole life that someone maybe
    intimidated by me. Now let me what my wife is going to say when she sees this
    as according to her I am the most darpok person she has ever seen.

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Yaar, Ek bar jeetna kafi nahin hai? You persist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    gr8 dialogue… I’ll copy this one !

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi,
    Your poser on 10 Mn. prize of Hafiz Saeed ………..
    As I have posted earlier – there is something sticky about Indo-Pak relations legacy that refuses to let go itself in favour of the current scaling down of antagonism.
    However, what irks me is sudden eagerness of US offer. I won’t even ask – why now. It would be a self defeating question. A question that needs to be posed is about the way US is approaching this. Read carefully, it is offering a sum on a foreign national – albeit a hugely probable terror suspect – a sum somebody would find it difficult to resist. Is this the way international justice works ? What if somebody from Iraq were to put a comparable offer on decision makers on 2003 Iraq invasion ? Or, for that matter somebody from Vietnam ? Or somebody from Hiroshima / Nagasaki ?
    Who gave US government these powers that they could go ahead a “deliver” justice ? Has the international community surrendered those institutions called International Court , Interpol ? To be sure I hate Mr. Saeed and definitely long to see him being brought to books – but not the way US arbitrates itself with this right to deliver justice.
    Let me cite Mahatma Gandhi – an idealist whom I respect for being an idealist and yet understand his limitations of being idealist – on his judgement whne one of the agitations that went out of hand , the means were as important as the goals are he opined before calling off the agitation. Has US forgotten it ? Or is the insecurity of losing its own position of being self appointed arbiter in Indo-Pak dialog getting better of it ? More so, when faced with competition from China.
    At a very very crude level letme say this – I won’t like my country goint to war with Pakistan , and yet I will understand if it is forced to go to war. My convictions would get far more challenged and falter if the circumstances that forces this war have North American origins.
    p.s. : As usual this “bleeding heart type” is opening himself to abuse for taking a un-conventional stand.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Like you I believe that war must always be the last choice.

    As far as who give US the right to mediate and act as policeman of the world, I guess that is because it is the most powerful nation, both economically as well as militarily, in the world.

    Once the world once again becomes a bi or multi polar again, then the situation may change. Until then US remains one of the arbiters whom Pakistan MAY listen

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    I had predicted your behaviour 15 hours before. Please scroll down and see my post that some undercover -in -underwear jehadis, fakes, bleeding hearts and idiots will now blame the US for spoiling Inido-Pak relations.

    Ravi is itching to do the same but is being restrained by the idea of losing friends on the blog.

    Think of Tukaram omble and sandeep unhikrishnan, before shedding tears for hafeez saeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,
    Read first and then discuss – which you haven’t . Go ahead and feel free to label me as you will – it is not going to make me any difference.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ mahesh

    I have read and replied to what I understood. As a policy in life see the bigger picture.

    The US has taken this step because Hafeez Saeed was linked to the al queeda.

    If bombing this guy out helps us… a normal being would say “ablle balle…” and not suddenly discover human rights which Hafeez Saeed destroyed all the time…

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    With enemies like you around, I will never be short of friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One with the gold writes golden rules…

    Now it is only US; but soon China will join..the question is whether china will replace US as the sole “decider” .. the economic decline, political decline (tea party etc), societal decline (huge gaps in income, high unemployment etc) etc of US may make this replacement happen sooner than later

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    China as the sole policeman?

    It would not be so easy and may be decades before it actually happens. Influence counts – US, the Western Europe and Russia have much more of it. OTH, China has chosen the path of confrontation and bullying the world – resented by all, accepted by few in dire straits (just grin and bear it) – trying to set unilateral rules for the rest of world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    Some of the things China is doing stealthily are quite severe. For instance, look at the way it is acquiring farm lland in some of the African countries. Another example – China controls over 90 p.c. of world Rare Earth supplies (things that go in making semi-conductor chips, solar panels).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    Even if China controls a resource, it just cannot sit on it and not share it – it does and will not make economic or political sense. The same applies to say oil – OPEC just cannot threaten the rest of the world.

    In case of Rare Earth supplies, aren’t the world over always developing products based on alternative raw materials?

    The African countries that have allowed their land to be acquired by China are the ones I was referring to – grinning and bearing it.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    You have said something here, I believe, even you do not realize its import. 100% agree, what you are saying.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And one with the danfa plays daandiya.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    China is less likely to get that overt in its actions. Plus it will have learned from US experiences too. My sense is they tend more to operate “under the hood”.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I was just wondering, why you addressed this post to Ravi? has it to do anything with Ravi’s stance against US? Do not know. whatever I read in last few days, was that Ravi is fan of Doniger. You do not appear to be happy about hafeez saed’s bounty? any solid reason??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    It is not about Hafeez Saeed. It is about the way US is approaching this issue.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    If seeking the unorthodox is a crime then I am a criminal master mind.

    On the hand if seeking the unorthodox is acceptable then YES I am a fan of Doniger, because she lets me see the familiar from an unorthodox perspective.

    Feel free to abuse.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    I am a scientist too. If, i do not believe in unorthodox, no progress will ever occur. In last few months, how many times I have abused you or anyone in this blog?

    Ravi Reply:

    Man including scientists cannot live by orthodox alone.

    You have not abused.

    That does not stop others though

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    “Feel free to abuse”.

    Totally unfair to Pankaj. I have never known to have read anything by him that can be labeled as abuse.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    That is true.

    However, others here have, even when the message is addressed to Mahesh, Pankaj or even you.
    So the invitation was generic and repeated only because it seems that supporting Wendy for trying to explain an alternative view is cause enough to start the torrent of abuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is best to ignore the abuser and the chelaa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    a whole bunch of jejune thoughts. Most appropriately too, they are addressed to the jihadi, fake Ravi.

    “At a very very crude level let me say this – I won’t like my country goint to war with Pakistan , and yet I will understand if it is forced to go to war. My convictions would get far more challenged and falter if the circumstances that forces this war have North American origins.”

    A very crude thought indeed. Do you think if the war has “North American origins”, it would be killing more, than if the origins are purely Pakistani?

    Mahatma Gandhi advocated giving Kashmir to Pakistan. Why didn’t his chosen heir obey the command?

    And if our own leaders tie their hands behind their backs and say “we cannot do anything”, do you mean to say AMerica too should say we are helpless?

    And what is wrong in setting a bounty on a terrorist who has killed 166 innocent people in “aamchi mumbai:? And why should it “irk” you? What stakes do you have in the JuD’s jihad?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Is it such a big expectation from you that you will start reading and responding coherently ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I suppose it is natural for incoherence to be responded to with incoherence.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I believe now I understand your question better. LET is a very powerful group in the sense that it is supported by pakistani Army, which is running with hare and hunting with dogs, any doubt about it?? neither Pakistani civilian government nor indian government( RAW) etc. have been able to tame this wolf. US covert action has also failed to get him. what other resort US has, when this Saeed is hell bent to disturb peacre between India and pakistan and world in general. Any suggestion from unorthodox thinkers? I am all for India – Pakistani amity but that does not involve Hafeez Saeed or any pardon to him.

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  • Anonymous

    Khuda ne kaha dosti na kar
    Dotson ki bheed mein tu kho jayega
    Maine kaha kabhi zameen pe aa kar mere Dotson se mil
    tu upar jaana bhool jayega.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    I have not changed my cassette in Car. Still Munni begam is crooning: Gulsitan ko lahu ki jaroorat hui, sab se pahle hamari hi gardan kati. phir bhi kahaten hain , hai yeh Ahle chaman, ye chaman hai hamara, tumarha nahin?
    What???

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Blogmates.
    tum log naukari chhudwa kar hi manoge. do not care for naukari. I will see.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    as Vijay will tell you, blogging is no less interesting than doing a job.

    yes, it doesn’t pay, (except that Vinodji would have doubled his salary merely on the strength of the numbers here), but it is possible to do somethingpaying and still partake in blogging.

    Zara Sochiye.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I am yet to meet a person who says that he gets paid what he deserves. If you do a survey of the employees only you will find
    out that everyone is paid less than they deserve.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Gr8 pic !! WIsh there was a slot for

    a) What you boast to your friend you get paid

    b) What your wife or girlfriend thinks is ur pay…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Picture ne maza la diya.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Well;
    It is very late in India, but I am still alive and cicking.. I can come very easily from Arsh to Farsh. What ever connection, I had with Mumbai, was within Colaba, before I migrated, leopold Cafe and all that. I believe, I understan what these Jehadis think. now, i should have a meeting with Obama? That is not going to happen, but still I believe, I know better than all the consultants. That is my belief. As I said before, I had been there and seen it at personal level. Slightly high, will not go further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ????????

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Only one question mark would have sufficed. with so many, I am under ton of pressure. As you know, I told you that I was confined to colaba, and the carnage which happened on 26/11 involved so many places and characters that I feel this at personal level. I also feel that pakistanis are still living by memories of terror, loot and plunder, which established an empire for them.

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  • Pankaj#1

    OK;
    Before my aggresive mood make me talk non sense. I will bid Adieu.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    A news item in HT. United against a common foe. yes, that is what I have been saying all along.

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  • Anonymous

    Young terror recruit from Mumbai returns to ‘normal’ life

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Young-terror-recruit-from-Mumbai-returns-to-normal-life/articleshow/12511089.cms

    Excerpt

    Rubab Shah (name changed to protect identity) returned from a terror training camp three months ago, fully equipped to create havoc in the country. A few weeks later, however, he developed cold feet and had a change of heart. Unable to confide in anyone, he went through a month of turmoil before approaching the state Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS).

    Shah, who says that he did not want to kill anyone or get caught for such crimes, admitted everything to the ATS officers and expressed his regret. Today, the 20-something MCom has a job on the recommendation of the police and earns Rs 25,000 a month.

    ———–

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    CPI leader challenges party line, calls for militant mass action

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3278246.ece

    Senior Communist Party of India leader Gurudas Dasgupta has challenged the party line and placed an alternative document before the recent congress in Patna, stating that the CPI could transform itself into a “vibrant instrument of militant mass action” only by “building up a counter-offensive against neo-liberalism” for a “broad democratic unity.”

    “The slogan has to be the broadest unity of the democratic forces committed to fight back the capitalist onslaught, not merely the slogan of a Third Front or a stereotype Left and democratic unity,” said Mr. Dasgupta, who is also the general secretary of the All India Trade Union Congress.

    “Not only has the Left failed to expand, it is, in fact stagnating, rather on a decline…. [By] significantly leaning on electoral performance during a period when human distress has been accentuated, the Left has seriously marginalised its political role in national politics,” the document says.

    ————-

    Is it a sign of desperation? Will militancy pay? Is it not better to have a relook at one’s own policies, which are more in tune with the present reality than hoping that Marx could still be sold?

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  • Anonymous

    The continuing tyranny of the triple talaq
    A. Faizur Rahman
    The author is the Secretary General of the Islamic Forum for the Promotion of Moderate Thought.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3277908.ece?homepage=true

    Darul Uloom Deoband is once again in the news for the wrong reasons, having validated a recent instance of triple talaq uttered in a drunken state by a Muslim husband (“Deoband: talaq given in a state of drunkenness valid,” The Hindu, March 30, 2012).

    This fatwa is bad in law and theology as it is not based on the Koran and the authentic pronouncements of the Prophet. It has been deduced from medieval treatises such as the Hidaya and Radd al Muhtar which state that if liquor consumed has reached the prohibited level of intoxication (a purely subjective issue) then talaq uttered in such a state shall be held valid. It may be pointed out here that Hazrat Usman, the third Caliph of Islam, and Ibn Abbas, the Prophet’s paternal cousin, were of the view that talaq under the influence of liquor was not valid because of the incapacity of the drunken person to exercise reason (Sahih Bukhari).

    ————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like Arab spring has yielded to Arab freezing — Egypt is going to have an extremist Salafist as the president , if not a “less” extremist Muslim Brotherhood guy–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I always had and have doubts about revolutions. More often than not, one evil is replaced by another.

    We do not know the fate of Libya, Yemen, Egypt and Syria.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    Mali, a small country in Africa is also being slowly taken over by
    extremist Muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A society which mixes religion with politics and governance (- a deadly cocktail) is always asking for trouble – on account of the inherent contradictions between the spiritual and temporal.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Do I take it that by that logic it will be bad for India to be governed by a “HINDU” government.

    Then what place for Hinduatva in our politics.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Sure. Mixing statecraft based on laws nd order and the mumbo-jumbo of a religion will be an invitation for disaster. Thank ‘God’, we do not have a monolithic religion, in fact we have to many variants – safety in numbers.

    Ravi Reply:

    I would agree. It therefore astounds me that such a beautiful religion is being steered towards a monolithic avatar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is precisely the reason for trying to create and impose a monolithic religion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    wasn’t the recent coup in MalDives also an “extremist” takeover of a “progressive” regime …where the extremist Muslims felt the current guy was not “Muslim” enough??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Let’s ask our friend Engrich, I am sure he would know.

  • Anonymous

    Good morning guys.

    What is the difference between a motor bike and a scooter.

    You will take your girlfriend on a motor bike and your wife on a scooter.

    What is the difference between ghazal and a lecture
    Every word spoken by girlfriend is a ghazal and every
    word spoken by wife is a lecture.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ek din, aap ki bahoot pitaaee hone waali hai apne biwi ke haathon se.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Peetne ke bahane kam se kam choo to legi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre, naubat yahaa.n tak aa gayi hai kyaa?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Maut bhi hai hamain manzur, kyon ki woh AATI hai.

    Ravi Reply:

    मौत भी आई तो इस नाज़ के साथ

    मुझ पे एहसान किया हो जैसे

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Ravi

    Wah Wah.

  • Anonymous

    Time for house-cleaning in the Congress
    Harish Khare

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3278000.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpts

    Madhu Limaye died in 1995. He was an old-fashioned socialist, a nationalist to the core, a superb parliamentarian and a keen student of Indian history. He had a mind of his own and never gave the impression that he could be intimidated by reputations or by vendors of political correctness. For most of his adult life he found good enough reasons to oppose the Congress, its leadership, its policies and its practices. He was passionate and principled in his opposition to the Congress. However, a few days before his death, this rare thinking man found himself compelled to write:

    “The capacity of the non-Congress and non-BJP parties to win a Lok Sabha majority, in the first place, and pull together for any length of time afterwards, is at best doubtful. The reform and renewal of the Congress-I is, therefore, in the nation’s interest. Faction spirit is not the answer. While I ardently hope that the challenge of the non-Congress secular parties would become stronger and more coherent and purposeful, as a well-wisher of the country, I would also like to see a reformed and united Congress Party.”

    ————–

    Now, a decline in Congress fortunes in itself would not have been a matter of much concern had its major national alternative, the Bharatiya Janata Party, inspired reasonable confidence that it was capable of sustaining the Centre. The BJP has turned its back on all notions of responsibility and seriousness of a grand purpose that are a sine qua non in any group wanting to steer the destiny of this complex and complicated nation. The BJP’s incurable infirmities cast a heavy historic burden on the Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Those were exhilarating times. Limaye, Lohya, NG Ranga, HV Kamath, Minoo Masani, Piloo Mody, Jayaprakash, Fernandez, Kamraj — all colossus..this great country had great leaders of insight, integrity, selfless to the service..men with different visions of India, but with a common aim of what is the best and fastest way to get the common man out of his poor conditions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree 100%.

    Today we have a large number people of the same calibre, but unfortunately hardly anyone in politics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    the list is indeed great. You missed Acharya Kripalani and Ashok Mehta.

    What is remarkable is that all these greats were, excepting Kamaraj, ranged on the opposite side of the other great, Nehru and because of him. It is also worth noting that before 1947, they were all under one umbrella.

    The other point is that these were real socialists.

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  • Anonymous

    The January night Raisina Hill was spooked: Two key Army units moved towards Delhi without notifying Govt

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-january-night-raisina-hill-was-spooked-two-key-army-units-moved-towards-delhi-without-notifying-govt/932328/0

    Excerpt

    Essentially, late on the night of January 16 (the day Army Chief General V K Singh approached the Supreme Court on his date of birth issue), central intelligence agencies reported an unexpected (and non-notified) movement by a key military unit, from the mechanised infantry based in Hisar (Haryana) as a part of the 33rd Armoured Division (which is a part of 1 Corps, a strike formation based in Mathura and commanded by Lt Gen. A K Singh) in the direction of the capital, 150 km away.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Very strange news. This would be only routine exercise, media is
    unnecessarily trying to create panic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Strange indeed.

    With all controversies coming one after the other, it must have raised ’suspicions’ – more likely totally unwarranted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    manohar

    I wish it were true –that they moved and put the “supremes” of the parliament in jail…We cannot have this canrad go on in the name of the people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi – the revolutionary.

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  • Anonymous

    Deoband okays triple talaaq even when given by the husband in a drunken state
    =============================================================

    Next, Deoband will Okay triple talaq even when given by a husband in his sleep.

    The sad part is our minority commission and women’s commission both are ‘chup’ when so much zulum is being committed, so non-chalantly against the hapless Muslim women, who, as it is are pushed inside the burqa even from a small age.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    These Deobandis are crazy, I dont understand why they are even asked to give an opinion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nashaa is haram if taken in a glass. It is halaal if taken in a pyaala.

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  • Anonymous

    All are equal in front of God. VIP darshans scrapped at Tirupathi.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Tirumala-Tirupati-Devasthanams-board-scraps-VIP-darshan-categorization/articleshow/12526319.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not be so sure, they will find other ways. Money always talks and opens lot of doors (even of temples). I repeat – the whole thing is that ke bhaiyaa, sabse baDaa rupaiyaa.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yers, you are right. Money can open any door.

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  • Anonymous

    Just a thought.

    Never upset God and a doctor.

    If God is upset, he will send you to a doctor and
    if doctor is upset he will send you to the God.

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  • Anonymous

    One night a boy helped an unknown aunty to reach her home.
    Aunty: Beta, raat bahut ho gayi hai, yahin so jao, cheenu ke room mein.
    Boy: Nahi aunty, main hall mein so jaunga.

    Next morning, a beautiful girl comes with a cup of coffee.
    Boy: Aap kaun?
    Girl: Me cheenu. aur aap?
    Boy: Me? I am an idiot.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Do you address of this aunty, I would also like to help her.

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  • Anonymous

    A young boy found a lamp at a beach. Excited, he picked it up and started rubbing
    it vigorously. Unfortunately there was a bomb in that lamp and it exploded.
    Nine people were killed and 15 were injured.

    Lesson : All lamps are not from Alladdin, some are from Mujhaideen.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ WHY THIS TROOP MOVEMENT report COULD BE A PLANT ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    I have no love for Gen V K SIngh as I think he should have sorted out his age issue silently and took action against the bribe giver silently.

    HOWEVER

    Somebody big in the government– who is getting kickbacks— could have planted this troop movement report to defame the general. Maybe a Vinashi politician…

    Sad that the Indian Express let itself be used to defame the army///

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  • Anonymous

    Few months back we had discussed Indian defense’s order of Rafael planes.
    Interesting news on that.

    Exclusive! $20 bn Rafale deal was manipulated

    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-exclusive-20-billion-dollar-rafale-deal-was-manipulated-says-mp/20120404.htm

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Is this a good struff, even if it was manipulated and people pocketed money. I do remember Rajeev and Dhawan and Shantanu debating the technical merits of this vs other brands.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I remember that even Vijay was part of that very interesting debate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It may not be the best, it probably is the best at its price. One must remember that the decision was not made by one person and must surely have gone through several layers of process before it was finalised.

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  • Anonymous

    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~~ LIGHT from SHAN”S Bengal lamp ~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    A trip to a part of Bengal where humans are bought and sold everyday
    Reported by Kishalay Bhattacharjee, Updated: April 04, 2012 14:20 IST
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    Kolkata: It takes about two hours by road and then a boat to reach Sandeshkhali, an island in the Sunderbans. This area is infamous for the conflict between its residents and tigers. Now, it has a bigger problem to contend with – human trafficking.

    In a reply to a Lok Sabha question on missing people last month, the Minister of State for Home Affairs shared some shocking data from across the country. In the last one year, 14,000 adults and children have disappeared from West Bengal. Most of them are believed to have been swallowed up by the huge trafficking trade that is accustomed to treating West Bengal as its catchment area.

    Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/a-trip-to-a-part-of-bengal-where-humans-are-bought-and-sold-everyday-193667?pfrom=home-topstories&cp

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    A combination of poverty and unscrupulous actors result in these types of tragedies. Our prosecution systems are weak so these people get away with these; our poverty so wretched in certain areas, where people are willing to sacrifice themselves for few thousand rupees compensation for their family.

    Mahathmaji once said that poverty is the worst form of violence. I believe signs are everywhere that our growth will go down, it is already at 6.1% (which from an international perspective is pretty good; but not for a populous country like ours). Our leaders seem to be helpless, worse, they are focusing on wrong priorities.

    “Ram Navami” was celebrated a few days ago. While it is not an observed celebration in the South, it is celebrated in many parts of the North. Ramarajya, where prajas were well-off and the King ruled for the people was there, at least in the imagination of the Adi Kavi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think there is reason for alarm.

    The real thing is a mindset issue. We are a nation of protesters and not doers. What was the CPM doing for 36 years and the Congress before that?

    We have always toppled entreneurs and wished that government jobs will actually allevaite poverty. The few lakh government jobs in WB cannot do it until the bongs get it n their head… that they need to start a shop, a factory… a small business… and not look down upon this.

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  • Anonymous

    Funny rules we have in our country.

    Subhash Ghai was alloted a plot of 20 acres by Vilas Rao Deshmukh in 2004
    for Rs. 3 crores, the price of which according to CAG was Rs. 31 crores.
    After 8 years SC has ordered Mr. Ghai to return this plot on which the lawyer
    of Mr. Ghai claims that Rs. 50 crores have been spent to build a film training institute.
    Mr. Ghai loses everything but what happens to Mr. Deshmukh?
    He gets repraminded by the court, that is his punishment. In such environment
    how can we accept to get honest politicians when SC is not taking any action
    against a politician whose involvement in fraud is proved.

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  • Anonymous

    David Ignatious, a respected Washington Times correspondent and an ISI watcher on Osama bin Laden’s five houses in Pakistan etc

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/04/from_pakistan_answers_needed_113724.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very interesting. Remove the veil… somehwere the ISI, the jehadis and the army are the true Pakistani state

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    Yes.

    I am amazed the media and seculars in India still want to have dialogue and relations with Pakistan.

    A dialogue is fine if there is a truly responsible and accountable piece of the country that speaks and acts for the country.

    I do not see the situation changing there in the near future. In fact it will be worse after US leaves Afghanistan.

    US could not wean away the **** army from the terrorist groups. in spite of the billions in military and monetary help. So, it will be foolish for India to think that normalcy can be established through dialogue.

    The reports here about the Pakistani situation is quite bleak. In a strange way, the double dealing etc has also contributed to fervent anti-Islam in many quarters here; so much so that one of the Presidential candidates, Rick Santorum is campaigning on an anti-Islam plank. And he is the darling of the conservatives!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    We are peaceful nation.

    So what if they are promoting terror in Kashmir by send extremists on regular basis,
    we will have dialogue with them.
    So what if they sent few terrorists to Mumbai and killed 166 Indians, but we don’t
    believe in war.
    We will also ask Pakistan to send more terrorists here as we believe in inclusiveness,
    we will include them also in our society.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Our capacity for self deception is unlimited.

    We may need to engage with pakistan to fulfill certain objectives

    a) To keep a tab on what is actually going on there and who is going to launch the next round of terror attacks

    b) Influence certain policy makers thru logic or money to follow policies which suit Inida’s goals.

    Unfortunately we end up trying to follow the “win them over with love” policy. The brainwashing is so rampant there and hatrd for HIndus, and that for liberal Muslims so rampant that this will hardly succeed.

    What surely can succeed is using the world’s anger at Pakistan to acheive a dissection…

  • Anonymous

    Engrich … is that you are the remote control holder ?? English is not urs…

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  • Anonymous

    Engrich… I am outlinging a plan to make a million dollars each ofr us blogggers by catching Hafeez Saeed. You have an important role… :)

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ HOW WE CAN MAKE A MIILION US DOLLARS EACH ~~with Engrich’s help ~~
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    ~~~~~~~~ LAUNCHING OPERATION hafeez saeed KI KHOPDI ~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think they are ten of us out here. And maybe all of us can do with a million dollars each. Now here is a foolproof plan. Get Hafeez for the Yanks… with our friend Agent Engrich’s help !!! :)

    Cmon Engrich here is your chance to get a million… and become a national and international hero too… Even Pakistanis will be happy …!!

    Engrich… all you have to do is to meet hafiz bhai and convince him that he has to address anti Zionist, brhmns, conference in Tora Bora…

    Meanwhile our guys in US will ask the CIA to wait there.

    Aur phir aayega asli mazaa……….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    The report here says this guy is in the open, Pakistani military provides him physical security. In fact, the security details provided to him have been increased and reinforced after the announcement of this reward.

    It seems there was a big procession/meeting there after the announcement of this reward; and that Hamid Gul, ex chief of ISI was a main speaker for the event!

    So, the million dollar question is whether anybody can kidnap him and deliver him to US? Shouldnt US use drone attack to kill him if he is moving freely?l

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Hafeez Saeed is the Pakistani establishment in one way. If Hamid GUl attends his public meetings, Imran Khan , the darling of Indian Aunties extorts us to win Hafeez Saeed by showering love on him. Saw that on NDTV.

    The US is basically inciting someone who is in close proximity to Hafeez Saeed to pump the bullet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have recieved Shenoy’s comment on this post by email… but it has been chopped here…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    the moderator is a chop sewer.

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  • Anonymous

    This is not a joke.

    To make it stand, you wet it.
    To make it wet, you suck it,
    To make it stiff you lick it,
    To get it in you push it.

    Damn, this threading a needle is not a joke.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    You are more dirty than I expected. long live kid in the heart of mohan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you any chance run a ‘joke shop’?

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~ CELEBERATIONS…. BUT WHERE IS THE BLOG MASTER??????? ~~~
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    The 1408th mail !!

    I think this is a record here…. at least fOr all the blog sites on newspapers in India.

    Congrats to Vinodji for running such a free site… which we love… despite hating the censor and being at loggerheads with him mostly/

    But where is vinod sharma and Sanjayji, his right hand???????

    I have a feeling that they may be attending the COngress working committee now in maatam after the yuvraj failed them.

    I wish and hope that Vinod Sharmji and Sanjayji attend the CWC in dark glasses lke do jasoos…. Raj kapoor and rajendra kumar , in an old film I saw on TV recently.

    And when all the chamchas end their lectures lauding Rahul, Digviansh and Salman, both of them should get up from the audience and reach the podium singing the song….

    ” DO Jasoos kare mahsoos
    Congress ki situation badi kharab hai….”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I can stitch a large pants for them to get into together.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Hafeez Saeed , bounty and all that………..
    Let us analyse this a bit.

    Hafeez Saeed first – Mr. Saeed is not somebody who is currently in hiding. In fact, he is in open , speaking at public meetings and more importantly being provided a security cover by Pakistani establishment. Now , what does that tell us ? For whatever reason – it would be disaster for a Pakistani establishment to see him killed under their watch. IMHO, a combination of two reasons could be prompting such a move. One reason being – and oftly highlighted one – he is extended arm of part of some establishment. The second reason could be his own popularity , which essentially translates into more un-rest in the eventuality of Mr. Saeed being executed.

    Bounty next – what does the amount translate to ? Something immensely irresistible and providing enough incentive for somebody to try and organise a mercenary action. Predictably enough , the security cover for Mr. Saeed got more fortified once the announcement was done. More importantly, being a marked person it restricts Mr. Saeed’s movements – which translates into less trouble for Nato’s supply lines. Another side effect of this is – Indian government is somehow forced to put back the topic on agenda (More on this below). My sense is – from US perspective both the reasons are contending for equal strength here.

    Fallout – other than restrictions on Mr. Saeed’s movements – India is now forced bring the topic back to agenda. Another less apparent fallout is US has reclaimed some lost grounds in the Indo-Pak game. No matter how much pleasant noises establishments on both sides of border make – let us understand that part/faction from within ISI involved in 26/11 is less likely to brought to books. So is Mr. Saeed. More likely. establishments on both sides of border are really praying for the legacy to be buried and yet are unable to do so how hard they try. Mr. Saeed incident highlights the sticky nature of this legacy that just refuses to go away.

    Despite this backdrop the 10 Mn. bounty makes me very very un-comfortable. Several reasons here – first is obviously the cockiness with which US has gone about the whole thing. Offering price on capture of a foreign national – no matter who the person is just plain illegal and banal . Non-state actors (mostly engaged in terror) resort to such actions. US may just have blurred the line between state and terror organisations by undermining international legal framework in resorting to such actions. Consider this, for instance, how about somebody from Bhopal putting up a bounty for Mr. Anderson ? Or even – Indian government putting up a bounty for Union Carbide chief ?
    Secondly, we need to be careful and mindful of the cost that such an action comes at. It is lot like inviting a powerful Don for resolving quarrel with an errant neighbour. Are we prepared for the cost the Don brings in ?
    We are probably better off saying “Thanks, but let us not get into this bounty business and stick to international framework under which we tackle the issues”.

    Guess, that sums up on my own two bits.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Aadat se majboor hoon, I will comment in my style.

    If this is your two bits than I dread to think how many pages you will write
    whenever you decide to write ‘little’ more then two bits.

    You could have just said this :
    Our PM should pick up the phone, call US president and tell him,
    “Please do not interfere in our affairs, we know how to tackle these issues.”

    Though it is another matter that we do not have any clue how to tackle
    these issues.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    I was truly smiling seeing your response.
    Yes sir !!! It is our business – it is our battle we know how to do it best.
    Thanks, but no Thanks. We will tackle it. You caught my very very raw nerve at the emotion.
    Actually – as I type this my wife is looking at me with askance.
    “Saale mereko dekhkar toh kabhi itna smile nahi kiyaa thaa – kaunsi laundi aa gayi tere jindagi mein….” were the expressions.
    Thanks again for the excellent articulation.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Arre bhai;
    Mahesh;
    Aise jubaan na bola karo. I will start loving you. Do not take me verbatime.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Iraada kya hai bhai mere ? Now you have really scared me.
    Other day you were equating yourself with middle age porn
    icon and today me a laundi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Mohan,
    Thank your stars. Aurat nahi, admi hi sahi koi to muskuraya.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The sum total of your post is that this is a American-Isreali-rightwing BJP conspiracy agains tthe poor people of the third world like hafeez Saeed.

    Cmon mahesh grow up. I had predicted that somepeople woudl come up this logic. Even Digviansh Singh will do it. I guess Ravi is restraining himself as I had predicted that some trolls will definately take this stance.

    I think you should thinl of Saluskar, karkare, Tukaram Omble, Sandeep UnhiKrishnan and then sing in Lata’s dulcet style

    … mere watan ke logon…
    zara aankhkh mein bhar lo paani..

    Jo shahid huyain hai unki…..

    Beleive me you will get the right answer. Just try it out.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    With this response you have proven without any doubt, that you do not read and that you are a politician, who will get in his cheap jingoistic message even when some is trying to rasie a logical and serious concern.

    Sahme on you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon

    I read it and just summed it up. Obviously the idea of an Indo Pak raproachment appealed to Mahesh as he had confessed.

    he is a bit of an innocent as the idea of Indians and Paksitanis hugging makes him too teary eyed to notice the jehadis and wahabbis the Pakistani state breeds– WITH AT LEAST HALF OF THE CIVILAIN POPULATION FAIRLY CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE NOT SUCH A BAD THING .

    I know for sure that Pakis can never be trUsted till they give up their jehadi goals of killing Non Muslims and liberal Muslims.

    In this context I had suggested that 50-100 countries should get together to send this message to paksitan through , maybe a military confrontation as the existence of this planet is at stake in case hafeez Saeed and his clones get the nukes.

    As for me being patriotic… its my choice. not jingoitisc but just living life…

    I suggest you also try singing lata’s song thinking of Omble and Saluskar. Beleive me … it will change you…

    Ravi Reply:

    If it would change ME into YOU, then I am glad that Bhagwan did not bless me with the ability to sing.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mahesh;
    I appreciate your concerns. I would like to answer them as per my understanding and may be imperfect but nonetheless sincere belief. Let me speak about Hafeez Saeed first- He is not in hiding, openly addressing public meetings etc. That makes situation even worse. It tells us that Pakistani government is incapable of dealing with him. India has been crying hoarse since a decade or more about him, could indian government do any thing about him, zilch. Yes, establishment is providing cover to him, without an iota of doubt. It also provided cover to osama, without doubt, and osama was taken out. did this happen for better or for worse, that is an individual’s perspective. has it weakened a terror organization? I believe so. So, establishment protecting him(Osama) and he has been wasted, sky has not fallen down. Next Benazir, establlishment should have protected her, wasted, sky fell down, none. Like wise, hafeez taken out( Kharch Ho gaya) will sky fall down, no way.Will that weaken Let? Absolutely. Will populace revolt, unlikely. fear is the Key, remove fear, people will get emboldened, will resist those attacks on liberals.ISI will be tamed , unlikely, ISI will remain as unabashed, unlikely either. This belief of invincibility, at their own turf, is the root cause of this cockiness. Remove this security,and they will be more amenable to reason.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Continuing with my thoughts. A boil, very painful, patient is afraid to touch it. Surgery is done, big relief. Hafeez is a nasoor, it has to be cured, medicines have failed, surgical is the only option.
    US has been waiting, before announcing this bounty for a decade or so, no results, forced to take a unilateral decision. had Hafeez been located in FATA, drone would have been used. he is in thick civilian population, drone can not be used. Assassination is the only option. Saam, Daam,Dand and Bhed, US will apply any recourse for getting situation straight. Your observation that India will be forced to bring this hafeez back to forefront, I believe, ostritch like approach will not solve any problem. I heard that, when a pigeon can not escape, attacking Cat or eagle, it closes, eyes. Does it escape death. most certainly not. So bring the hafeez in the crosshair, no peaceful gesture will work or ignoring him will work. Secondly about US. You certainly have some issues with US, my impression is that you hate US just because it is successful, a victor,. Come out of this starght jacket approach and even if you do not like it in total, an individual action should be judged on its merit. your prejudices should not color your judgement. hafeez is a vermin, he has to be eliminated.
    Thirdly, by wishing that US may not offer bounty, nothing will change. US did not offer it after consulting India, it will not withdraw it after opposition from India.
    All the bonhomie you are perceiving from Pakistan is because, now it realizes that it can not continue its perfidy any longer. There is no change of heart. Would like to go on and on, but time and space are constraint.
    I see a positive side effect for India in this episode, hence I welcome this bounty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    it is rarely that you take the time to reply to the long harangues of Mahesh point by point. And the result too is excellent, let me tell you.

    Yes, despite the Pakistanis feeling, “apna kutta apni gali mein sher” bringing down this paper tiger is no big deal.

    And this amputation, when done, will save the rest of the body called Pakistan. No amount of school-boyish debating would alter this fact.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Thanks for sincere efforts you put in drafting such a long reply.
    Let me start with you saying I have issues with US.
    Actually no. Let me give you a cinematic metaphor here . Titanic has a particular scene when Kate Winslet (Rose) reaches NewYork rescued by ship Karpathia. Reaching the shore she looks around and looks at the statue of liberty – her expresstion , that of awe and respect , says it all. My emotions about US are similar . I respect the US that is represented by statue of liberty. Not the current ruling government that goes hopping around the planet creating chaos. Incidentally, some of my best working experiences were with my US colleagues, and I see still carry some great “process orientation” learnings they inculcated in me.
    As for Hafeez Saeed, yes we know Pakistani establishment is protecting him. From the publicly available information we also know it protected OBL. Skies won;t fall if Hafeesz Saeed gets annihilated too. But then Pankaj, that is not the point. The point is about US, What if US had resorted to OBL’s capture and further tried him in international court ? Would skies have fallen then ? Instead it would’ve won more in respect, We in India are following the judicial process with Kasab . Are we fools ? No. We are making sure it is still a fair play within the judicial limits. Subverting the process worries me more. More so when powerful countries like US resort to it.
    If indeed we have to eliminate vermin – let us rather play by rules. Let US rather cut 1 Bn. of the money it pumps in Pakistan – and offer a judicial process under UN jurisdiction . We all will be game then. Including yours truly.
    Incidentally , a slimilar concern was raised about Mohammed Atta by Nobel Laurette economist regarding his waterboarding. I guess, that puts me in some very very good company.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Let me try to respond to you. First, I will try to respond to your first Para. You spoke about Titanic. I will suggest two films, Enemy of State and Rule of Engagements. Draw your own conclusions.
    Your next para: Mahesh;
    Have you ever been in a street brawl, I doubt. I had been. In the heat of the moment, all the rules get a wing. Capturing Osama alive? most desirable, Getting him dead or alive, compulsion. Keeping kasab in custody? Please do not ask me, I may start Behakana. Just one question. Have you visited Sevagram?, Where attendent was surprised that I knew more about Mahatma than he did? Have you visited Sabarmati, I doubt? Champaran, and its aftermath, was a point, which separates from statesman from Mahatma. I am not speaking about politicians.
    Frankly, I did not get the gist about mohammad Atta. I believe, he crashed in Aeroplane attacks.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Thanks for a logical analysis, the most thorough one on the topic yet.

    Just one question, if the practice of offering bounty makes you feel uncomfortable in the case of Hafeez Saeed, then does the same also apply for Mullah Omar?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    your intense concern for Mullah Omar is understandable.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    That is unfair. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    As a general statement – I am against state (any state) resorting to extra-judicial actions. With Mullah Omar , though, I am unable to say much as am not really up-to-date on the case. Won’t be surprised if at times I do feel conflicted with my stated stand. Guess, that makes me as much of a human as we all are – full of contradictions.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I see that you are still blogging. You did not answer me. hum se kya narazagi hai. I never insulted you. and with the same token, I never, did anything good to you. because, when asked, why he is so much cross with you, I said, I do not remember that I did anything good to him?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Replied already !!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Won’t be surprised if at times I do feel conflicted with my stated stand…”

    Pseudo secularism has that effect on some of its practitioners.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay-

    Version 2.0 of Islamic terrorists.. “Nike” Terrorists…just do it! See the evolution..Wall Street Journal article

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303816504577321763999053178.html?mod=ITP_opinion_0

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ binoy

    Thx for the link . Fascinating. Youngsters fall for glamorous ideoligies and somehow jehad and killing inocents has been glamourised.

    I am tempted to think of nazi Gernany. How it changed so fast asfter Hitler was made into dust. Maybe total diestruction of the arms of jehad thru an internatioal effot involving 50-199 countries will finally convince Paksitan that it needs to give up its assets.

    Till kow the US never mobilised the world as it was done in the WW1 and WW2. it made it an independent US effort, where others tagged along.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    This slogan of Nike should be totally banned as people are taking the
    meaning of this slogan literally.

    Just do it – More and more people have started doing it and in process
    the population of the world is increasing.
    And these brainwashed youngsters have taken this meaning to
    a completely different level.

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  • Anonymous

    “India had shared enough information with Pakistan on how JuD founder Hafiz Saeed masterminded the Mumbai terror attacks,” …Chidambaram. What’s up with RSS saadish?

    If US had handed over David Headley, if India had nerve to nab the internal elements who must have got involved in Mumbai attack it would have shown both government’s genuine concern. Fake intentions, show off declarations.
    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2012/04/03/we-want-headley-wendy/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    ” if India had nerve to nab the internal elements”

    India only has nerve to nab sorry ban internet elements.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    internal an