Khanduri will be sole winner but joint loser

Aaloke
I wanted to respond to the history comment you made in the last blog.
European invasion was not in the 187th century; but long before that. Vasco de Gama , the Portugese explorer landed in Kozhikode (Calicut) in 1498; and seven years after that Portugese established their empire in Malabar coast from Kochi to Mangalore, later expanding to Goa, Yanam, Diu etc.
They constructed several forts across the coast; many still remain, one being St Angelo Fort in my home town Kannur, constructed in 1510,

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Vinodji,

what made you to write a blog on the non-descript Uttarkhand, when all eyes are focussed on UP? Why have you denied us a peep into your mind about the war in UP?

I am reminded of a historical joke.

in 1961, when China had amassed its army on India’s northern border and had already grabbed large parts of land, the people were clamouring for some befitting response.

And what did our honourable Kriishna Menon, MOD, did? Instead of marching northward, he ordered our army to march into Goa and liberated it from the Portuguese!

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‘a damning CAG report on the “Kumbh mela” scandal under Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank’

Here is another reason (if ever another reason was required), why the state should get out of the business of funding/subsidiising religious practices/rituals.

Or because
1) it is a matter of religion, corruption / scandals can be overlooked?
and/or
2) it is indulged in by the beloved …………..

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Vinod Sharma has posted an utter sterile BAKWAS , perhaps he is a bit low , given Pankaj Bohra was on NDTV , he is fearing the loss of earnings.
So Gopi Thomas has rightly discussed something else .
I am reading MILTON FREIDMAN’S , Capitalism and Freedom.I will comment as I progress with the book.Freidman apparently visited India , he thought Mahalonobis model to be too mathematical , HE DID ADVICE TO PUT ALL THE EFFORT IN EDUCATION AND HEALTH SO AS TO BUILD THE HUMAN CAPITAL/INFRASTRUCTURE

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World lacks enough food, fuel as population soars: UN

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_world-lacks-enough-food-fuel-as-population-soars-un_1643948

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Even by 2030, the world will need at least 50% more food, 45% more energy and 30% more water, according to UN estimates, at a time when a changing environment is creating new limits to supply.
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I hope Khanduri wins.. If he loses, it will be due to 1) Internal BJP issues with Ramesh Pokhyal team 2) Muslim vote going toCongress in marginal districts, and not with any congress resurgence.
Khanduri is a good man, a true soldier.

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“The US Africa Command is now at war on the continent of Africa.

aaj ki taza khabar

“And not surprising, the war is about oil.” (AFRICOM Goes To War In Africa -m)

Ghana made its first big oil find off the coast in 2007, and turned on the taps in 2011.

Reportedly, Mossad and the CIA are very active in oil-rich Ghana and Nigeria.

There is a fear that Ghana could become a failed state, just like Nigeria.

Politicians in both Nigeria and Ghana have their armed militias.

The CIA used militias to get control of the oil in Libya

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Dear Ravi,

I addressed last post to you as you had mentioned that you are interested in Different Perspectives.I think I was mistaken. Discussion with Engrich, as you suggest is impossible.I would have been happy to answer all your points in your last post, however, since you have your suspicions,and no discussion is possible in shadow of suspicions, so I will stop it here.

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@Gopi Thomas and mohanR, Its great you are elevating this blog to a higher plane rather than the mundane politics of india. I have just started reading the book , so wont be able to pass much judgement . It is true he was the intellectual underpinning of the CIA inspired coup de tat that brought down Allende govt in chile.
His main argument is FREEDOM and he does speak very convincingly about it.
You can only have Microsoft , Apple , and all the GREAT INVENTIONS in USA ,
WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN INDIA OR UK IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
FREEDOM DOES MATTER, but it is not all or none situation .
I saw a chanel four programme called THE NERDS. This traces the origin of PERSONAL COMPUTERS.
Apparently when Bill Gates was a student at Harvard , during summer vacation , they used to meet somewhere near MEXICO border. All the hacks from all over america. kind of a fair or woodstock. Easy availability of cheap prostitute was also a motivation apprently.
Now at that time only a b c of computers were on display mostly by amateurs and DIY stuff.One guy produced a prototype which could just about convert few commands to a display on the screen. Gates and the rest pounced on it and worked day and night to improve on it.
IRONICALLY THE GUY WHO PRODUCED THAT FIRST PROTOTYPE went out of business , RETRAINED AS A DOCTOR AND NOW PRACTICES IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO.
Same with Sergei Brin and google , Facebook , twitter , the great revolution of our time only possible BECAUSE OF FREEDOM, impossible to come out of a govt institution

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Economics in recent years—and the Government Bailout, Economic reality

Mary is the proprietor of a bar in Dublin. She realises that virtually all of her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to

patronise her bar.

To solve this problem, she comes up with new marketing plan  that allows her customers to drink now  but  pay later.

She keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans).

Word gets around about Mary’s “drink now, pay later” marketing strategy and, as a result,  increasing numbers of customers  flood into Mary’s bar.  Soon she has  the largest sales volume  for any bar in Dublin.

By providing her customers’ freedom from immediate payment demands,  Mary gets no resistance  when, at regular intervals,  she substantially increases her prices  for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages. Consequently, Mary’s gross sales volume increases massively.

A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognises that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases  Mary’s borrowing limit.  He sees no reason for any undue concern,  since he has the debts  of the unemployed alcoholics  as collateral.  At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders  figure a way  to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into Drink bonds and Alki bonds. These securities are then bundled and  traded on international security markets. Naive investors don’t really understand that the securities being sold to them  as ‘AAA’ secured bonds  are really the debts  of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless,  the bond prices continuously climb,  and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items  for some of the nation’s  leading brokerage houses.

One day, even though  the bond prices  are still climbing,  a risk manager  at  the original local bank  decides that the time has come  to demand payment on the debts incurred  by the drinkers at Mary’s bar. He so informs Mary.  Mary then demands payment  from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics  they cannot pay back their drinking debts.  Since Mary  cannot fulfil her loan obligations  she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes  and the eleven employees lose their jobs.

Overnight,  Drink bonds and Alki bonds drop in price by 90%. The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank’s liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit  and economic activity  in the community.

The suppliers  of Mary’s bar had granted her generous payment extensions  and  had invested their firms’ pension funds  in the various Bond securities. They find they are now faced with  having to write-off her bad debt and with losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds.

Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.

Fortunately though,  the bank, the brokerage houses and  their respective executives are saved and bailed out  by a multi-billion euro  no-strings-attached  cash infusion from their cronies  in government.

The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class, non-drinkers who have never been in Mary’s bar.

Now, do you understand economics over recent years?

This will happen if people are allowed to self regulate.

Freedom is very important, but some where line should be drawn.

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Mallya wants state govts to buy seats on each flight

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mallya-wants-state-govts-to-buy-seats-on-each-flight/905696/

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The king of good times is at it again. What does the Government do with those seats? Sell them at a discount or send its employees around for the heck of it or or is it another way to subsidise (that damned word again) the unsupportable?

A general question – are we a nation of freeloaders?

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Mohan;
Ofcourse you are recounting House ownership fiasco in US. A bank was allowed to die but government supported other financial institutions, again at the expense of other tax payers.

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Dr Shan

Freedom is one ingredient. The other ingredients are ecossytem related – venture capital, angel investors, scientific/business networks etc.. Slowly the ecosytem is taking shape in india; several “applied” innovations are happening here too- although the true path-breaking innovations like “google” requires world class universities such as Stanford/MIT.

Leading American universities have hundreds of years of research/experience.

The economic growth is indirectly causing technological growth. India has entreprebneurial, intellectual brains, investment infrastructure (for upcoming companies) — economic expansion will result in scientific growth too, over a longer span

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If Congress wins elections in Uttarakhand and Punjab then there is something seriously wrong with India. Either they are very tolerant of corruption or are totally brainless.
As far as UP is concerned, SP or BSP will form the govt. with outside support from Congress. Either Mulayam OR Mayawati will have to face jail in next 2-3 years but whosoever supports Congress at Center will remain safe.

Vijay,
You stay close to both the states. Any idea what people on the ground are saying about the outcome of this election.

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Dear Prahalad,

In your last post addressed to me,you asked a very valid question. It was ” Let us live in present,and construct a better future, Life would be much simpler”.

You are right. It is present that we have to be mainly concerned with. Let me briefly share my philosophy on this ” Let us live in present, Plan for better future with Confidence and experience of our Present and past”. Past is not the most important thing, but it has its own importance.We can plan a better future based on experiences of our past.

I find ,Inspite of so many Modern Trappings like Computers, Internet, Ease of Travel etc, so many things have remained same. We many times get trapped with our Linear Thinking approach, that is, if this thing has happened in this way for last 100 years, we extrapolate it for another 100 years.History gives us a bigger reference data . We can plot a better graph and plan better. But for that, we have to Know History in a better way.

Large volumes can be written on this topic, but let me conclude it here.

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Dear Prahalad,

In your last post addressed to me,you asked a very valid question. It was ” Let us live in present,and construct a better future, Life would be much simpler”.

You are right. It is present that we have to be mainly concerned with. Let me briefly share my philosophy on this ” Let us live in present, Plan for better future with Confidence and experience of our Present and past”. Past is not the most important thing, but it has its own importance.We can plan a better future based on experiences of our past.

I find ,Inspite of so many Modern Trappings like Computers, Internet, Ease of Travel etc, so many things have remained same. We many times get trapped with our Linear Thinking approach, that is, if this thing has happened in this way for last 100 years, we extrapolate it for another 100 years.History gives us a bigger reference data . We can plot a better graph and plan better. But for that, we have to Know History in a better way.

Large volumes can be written on this topic, but let me conclude it here.

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Mohan, Aaloke and others.

It was suggested (sarcastically or otherwise) that the government will have to get out of everything, because there are Scandals everywhere, when discussing states subsidies/funding for religion.

Now wouldn’t that be great, only if each individual on this planet was a disciplined soul? Utopia!

We need the state (especially the central and the state governments) to get involved in as few areas/fields as far as possible.

1) Sell off all the PSUs – of course there are vested interests/ideological compulsions/spites/plain stupidities are at work to put the spanners in the works and it is not going to be easy.

2) Decentralise more powers to lower levels – districts, talukas, municipalities and gram sabhas and let them manage their affairs at more micro levels – then knowing the limited supply of funds, more efficient use of funds (and less corruption, fewer scams and scandals). Bring governance next door to the people, so to say. These have been my views, do you agree?

It is impossible to know what goes on in those monster-sized ‘bhawans’ housing the ministries and departments in various capitals and when found out, it is generally too late and the scams/scandals of gigantic proportions.

4) Of course, some key areas – defence, law and order, finance, etc. would be the responsibility at macro level.

I believe that in countries where there is less corruption such as Sweden and New Zealand – the Government has its fingers and toes in least amount enterprises/areas/fields. Is that so?

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@ Rajeev

Vinod Sharma ji bats for the Congress we all know that. So dont go to seriously by what a maalishwala / maalishwali ? said to him.

But the fact is a lot of our elections are fought on emotional issues.

Sonia and chotta baba raise emotions of widow and son wanting to serve India, but ask rural voters to vote for them as “woh uss parivar ke hai..”

Mayawati raises emotions on Dalit ki beti; Mulayam says Yadav and Muslims; Chotta baba scares Muslims by saying they will destroy Islam, while I will save you.

Unfortunately development linked parties have not been able to get their emotional quotont right.

I go to Dehradun often and know COngress bcos of the historical base of ND Tewari is quite strong. EVEN THOUGH everyone remembers that to get a project or file passed one needed to send a “willing” girl to Chacha…

So it could just be touch and go.

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I presume we are following the heart wrenching tale of the 2 year old Falak, who is battling for his life in a New Delhi hospital..

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Changed-five-hands-still-nobody-s-child/Article1-804338.aspx

What crime this little innocent and totally defenceless child commit to deserve such cruel treatment? Very tragic indeed.

He may not be the only one tos uffer in this bad bad world.

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Good news on the corruption front.
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Give sanction in 4 months to prosecute corrupt ministers, public servants: SC tells govt

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/give-sanction-in-4-months-to-prosecute-corrupt-ministers-public-servants-sc-tells-govt/906044/

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In a ruling that has come as a setback for the government while effectively removing a major roadblock in the war against corruption, the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that the government will have to give the nod to prosecute a corrupt minister or a public servant within four months of the request.

This would mean the government cannot indefinitely delay sanction to try a public official if there is a whiff of scandal against him.

The apex court ruled the government can take one month for legal opinion, and three months thereafter for deciding on sanction. A bench of Justices G S Singhvi and A K Ganguly ruled that sanction would be deemed to have been granted if the competent authority fails to take a decision within four months.

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“An outright Congress win will be a blow as much for Team Anna as for Khanduri who adopted their version of the Lokayukta”
It is intriguing that now Vinod Sharma Sahib should think of Team Anna and their model of the Lokayukta , as enemies who should be defeated , implicitly, as he occupies a high public office and is also a senior editor of a National daily , this should also be construed to be in the interest of the country. As if , this what he would like to see the most in the defeat of the BJP…..
Why should he hold out such a view…does he hold them as the biggest threat to those he holds close to his heart ? Does he think that Team Anna shall be spoilsport for those he bats for ? Why is it that in the defeat of BJP he shall see not a defeat of ‘ Communalism” but of Team Anna’s campaign… Intriguing no …
Or is that he was apprehending the SC order on guidelines for granting permission for prosecution of those who hold high public office. …Which in a way brings the PM of India under a cloud for his prevarication on 2G … I cannot say ….. I am still trying to find answers to the many questions which Mr Vinod Sharma Sahib keeps throwing up.

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Pankaj Pachauri has taken over as the new Communications Advisor in the PMO. He shall report to Pulak Chatterji Secretary to PM. Harish Khare Media Advisor to PM Manmohan Singh’s own choice , has resigned. Khare reported directly to PM.
Pachauri has started working and now we are seeing a flurry of press reports how Pulak Chatterjee is in command , how things have started moving in the government, how all Economic Ministries are now reporting to Chatterjee. But no PR activity for the PM so far. Is Pachauri PRO for Chatterjee or the PM ?…. PM shortchanged again by 10 Janpath ?

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ravi bhai ,shenoyv and aaloke,

The Durban dip can cleanse a billion sins

ChandraBhan Prasad

The Ganges is a monumental aqua-guard which has been cleansing Varna souls ever since the advent of their civilisation. A few Varna apologists describe the senseless Ganga dip as an act of “self-criticism”, where devotees officially confirm they have committed a sin. Those who do not participate in this bizarre event each year, compensate for it by joining the Maha Kumbh madness. In that sense, every Varna individual is a communist, known for his ritual practice of “self-criticism”.

Questions have often been asked of us. For instance: “Tell me Mr Prasad, how do you propose to eradicate caste divisions?” Upon saying, “Read Ambedkar,” they insist, “No, please don’t be evasive. Tell me now.” Then we say, “Gandhiji had a historic opportunity. Had he spoken in the voice Dr Ambedkar used, half of India’s problem would have been solved in his lifetime itself, and the rest by now. Or if EMS Namboodripad had decided to declare Charu Majumdar as being India’s Mao and worked under his leadership, India would have been a different story today.

Or, if Vajpayeeiji spoke the way Kanshi Ram does or Soniaji spoke Mayawatiji’s mind, half of India’s social tension would have withered away by now. Or, if the Indian Parliament were to raid the National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights (NCDHR) Secretariat at Bharani Complex, Secundarabad, confiscate the documents there, own up to them and proceed to Durban telling the world that: “Yes, race and caste are not the same but the implications are similar. In fact, caste-based discriminations are more vicious than those which are race-based. And that India as a nation has decided to eradicate all caste-based discrimination and that we need cooperation and support from the rest of the world.” India would then indeed be marching towards a new direction, one which the Dalits have aspired to for ages. But is India prepared to listen to what Dalit heroes have been arguing for? Is Indian society prepared to listen to Dalit icons like Matin Macwan or Paul Divakar?

August 3, 2001, will be thought of as a landmark. The Mumbai-based Sabrang had organised a seminar to solicit public opinion in favour of the Durban conference.

The organisation is headed by Teesta Setalvad and Javed Anand, the only couple I have ever met who are great secularists and yet pro-Dalit. The second such combination I can remember comes in the form of Delhi’s Nivedita Menon and Aditya Nigam.

This particular seminar had a galaxy of participants: Shabana Azmi, Javed Akhtar, Sitaram Yechuri, Rajdeep Sardesai, Prafulla Bidwai, Rahul Deo, Swami Agnivesh, Martin Macwan, Ramalakshmi, Aditya Nigam, Amit Sengupta, Fr Henry D’Souza, PL Mimroth, Fali S Nariman and others. Although most of them had assembled for secular considerations – to bash the BJP, as if Deve Gowda or Gujral-led third front governments would have supported NCDHR’s move – CPI(M)’s Sitaram Yechuri stunned Dalit participants. He first entertained the audience by telling them about the one similarity between himself and Bangaru Laxman: both had betrayed their communities. The audience, however, was unable to figure out how Yechuriji had betrayed the Brahmins as he has never held them responsible for creating the Chaturvarna order and has lost nothing in life. What better stature in life had he thought of than what he enjoys today? On the other hand, in what way did Bangaru betray his community? He was born Dalit and stayed one even after entering the Dwijas’ BJP. He became its president, ultimately falling victim to the Varna media. Had he joined the CPI(M), he would have, like most CPI(M) Dalit MPs, remained faceless all his life!

But the mood changed when Yechuri informed the gathering that the CPI(M) had decided to endorse the NCDHR’s Durban move. Every right-thinking Dalit must be grateful to the CPI(M) as, barring the BSP, it is the second national party which has taken a favourable stand.

The CPM’s stand is important for other reasons as well. In Delhi’s cultural/intellectual circles, which includes a few Dalits, word has got around that a Church-based conspiracy is out to malign India, that foreign money was flowing about like the Orissa cyclone.

We all know that science, technology, democracy and modern systems of governance have come from the Christian world of Europe and America. Then, why this Christian bashing? India, right from Nehru’s days, has been holding out its begging bowl to foreign countries. But the money brought into the country in the name of development, never reaches the Dalits. Thus, if any money is coming in from abroad to help the Dalit cause, it must be welcomed. Will TATA or Reliance ever give up even one paisa to fight the Varna/Caste order? Then, how will Dalits travel abroad to expose India’s Varna order? Is Indian capital benevolent towards the Dalits? By one single act, the CPI(M) has cleansed itself of many sins. Are other Varna parties, too, prepared to take a dip in Durban?

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Gopi (and others discussing Iran topic in prev. blog),
Interesting link on IRAN highlighting the role of challlenges faced by dollar as exchange currency playing out in Iran .
http://www.countercurrents.org/malone100112.htm
A similar thought being echoed by a hedge fund manager :
http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/financial-war-against-iran-173601481.html
P.S.: Somewhere in this blog your comment alluded to Keynesian measures to stave off the impending depression. This may be a tad too simplistic as the party of “indefinite deficit financing” may be nearing its end for U.S. as other countries appear to be getting more and more un-easy about the whole asymmetry.

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Dear Bloggers;
Younger people of yester years in particular. So 30 January has gone unremembered. Though countless people, even here, swear by his name or name sake. However, my memory was refreshened by many songs I heard on local desi radio. de di hamain azadi bina….

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@mahesh Have you wondered despite all the arguments in the link you provided DOLLAR CONTINUES TO SURGE , so much so Rupee has been knocked to the floor. This business of printing dollars (they have done with pound and yen as well) called quantitive easing looks like a CON TRICK to me. What they are describing is BARTER TRADE , which is not a very efficient way of doing business.The Yen Rupee swap was in direct response to rupee getting floored vis a vis dollar. At the end of day IT IS THE POWER STRUCTURE OF THE WORLD THAT DETERMINES these arrangements.
MAJORITY OF CHINA’S TRILLION DOLLAR RESERVE IS IN DOLLAR.
Volatility of currency can cause haywire in trade. Like when soviet union collapsed ROUBLE was on a TAIL SPIN , India needed to pay 10% of its due if it decided to pay back in ROUBLE.

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GOOD NEWS ,

A group of German MPs justified the denial of visa to Modi. They advocated a ban on his visiting Europe. This parliamentary delegation was on a two day visit to the city of Ahmedabad to study the state of minorities in Gujarat. It concluded that the European Union (EU) decision not to grant visa to him was justified. They went to the extent of banning his trip to Europe in near future. They pointed out that “the Chief Minister of Gujarat has a radical tone to his politics and is described as dictatorial. He has a wrong perception of religious freedom.” This four member team has been closely following developments in the Gujarat riot cases

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mahesh
EU has decided not to import Iranian oil, they have frozen the assets, and prohbited trading in golddiamond and other precious metals with Iranian central abnk..
Looks like the blocking ofI Iranian access to the world financial system is working. So also the undermining of its oil industry.

While I am against all these measures, I hope it succeeds so a war is averted.

It simply is amazing how much of a clout Israel has with US. US would not have gone for all these but for Israel!

My gut is that China and India will continue to import Iranian oil – China gets 20% of Iranian oil; India 16%. Actually the western imports is only about 25%

Eventually it will not just be Iran suffering from these sanctions; the european recovery will be delayed, so also the US recovery –all to please Israel!.

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Manohar;
In a lighter vein, Shila dixit has also praised Government of Gujrat, after Gujrat Congress. In the past also many accolades have come to his way. Do not remember any other Chief minister gathering such quantity/ quality of praise.

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Back from a week’s trip to my house, deep inside UP…

Well it is poll time there and it is raining promises. Laptops from Mulayam, even though he was against computerisation once. And even a no goonda raj… quite a U Turn.

Congress has given its 4.5% reservation card. I must say a lot of Muslims could swing to the Congress, even though others are promising 10-15% quotas. My own opposition to religious quota was shaken up when I saw many of my co-religionists loving the idea. BJP promises to reverse this, so it may not get the Muslim vote (not surprising !) but may be able to consolidate other OBC’s who will ditch Mulayam this time.

Maywati is know as hte empress of corruption and may just vacate the kursi and possibly face enquiry unless she joins some coalition.

My final view… UP will remain divided as ever. A slow mover always divided on caste and religious lines by politicians who k now loot and not governanace.

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Here is a ‘ gem ‘ which Engrich can never post.

What is mangalsutra ?
It is device to enjoy kamasutra without condom.

What is condom ?
It is a device to enjoy kamasutra without mangalsutra.

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Dear Vinay,

You spent so much time in articulating reply to our dear ENGRICH. Unfortunately it was not his saying. Let me post below his ‘Cut’ job which is from” Ambedkar Action Alert”, I have posted preceding and Succeeding portions also from this great reference site , (This man has serious psychiatric issues) :

ADVANI HATED BY BRAHMINS

Why the upper castes of Kerala, who are not even 5% of the population, hate Achutanandan when he is loved by the people?

The upper castes were so furious that they did not mind defeating their own party. They wanted to get rid of Achutanandan because they think he is against them.

Have you heard such a thing?

In the latest parliament election, the BJP got defeated because the upper castes vote swung from BJP to Congress.

Why? Because Advani is not a Brahmin. But he is a man of character, honest, incorruptible.

Upper caste rulers are not interested in all these things. Their only interest is their caste.

Because from the Brahminical point of view Manmohan Singh is very good. Because he is proved to be a great supporter of the rich who are mainly upper castes.
IN SEARCH OF BOMB

Sikhs don’t like him nor do the Muslims and Dalits. That is why the 15% upper castes love him.

Because he was ready even for the defeat of his govt. in his desperate search for what is described as “peaceful nuclear deal” — in other words bomb.

Manmohan Singh wanted to give bomb to the upper castes to fight Pakistan and China.

Upper castes are India’s only people who can clearly identify their enemy and friend.

This ruling class has declared Dr. Ambedkar thoughts are dangerous to their caste interests. Simple.

When this is the reality, how can India “re-discover” Dr. Ambedkar?

Who represents India? Not the Dalits. Not the Muslims. Not Christians. Not Sikhs. Not BCs. But only the micro-minority “Hindus” representing just 15% of the population.

There may be some good, honest persons among the upper castes. But such of them collaborate in the crime of their jatwalas by their silence.
MERIT — MY FOOT

The Brahminical people quickly counter this argument by pointing out “merit”.

I have written a book itself on the subject in which this question is answered.

The Supreme Court itself has quoted my whole book in a historic judgement and fully endorsed my thesis: Merit — My Foot.

Has anybody visited the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore? I go there sometimes.

This is said to be country’s “most prestigious and internationally known research institution”. Fine.

I asked them to give me just one instance of their research accepted as per international standards. The authorities started evading the question.
RESEARCH IN INDIAN INST. OF SCIENCES

But as a journalist I can speak with authority. IISc has not a single research to its credit that will help improve the living standards of the people. I said this once at a public meeting inside the IISc itself, presided by its then director.

No Indian scientist has received any Nobel Prize after “independence”. Those “Indians” who got such prize are not Indian citizens.

In the light of these, where is the chance for India “re-discovering” Dr. Ambedkar? Hate cannot build a society. It can only break the society.
CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS PREFER HINDUS

Christians, who did so much to educate India, serve India, are hated and killed. Muslims are killed daily, impoverished and pushed to urban slums. Dalits and Tribals have become beggars.

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Krishna Consciousness Carries the Commuter

I don’t know if you experience this, but I find from time to time a song randomly comes into my head and lodges itself deep into my psyche. Then for days I would hear the song silently playing in my head, occasionally the original sound is supplanted by my own equally silent voice but the song stubbornly stays in a repeating loop.

During this morning’s commute, even before the train had left the station, in my head I heard this bhajan. बनवारी रे जीने का सहारा तेरा नाम रे.

Opposite my child-hood home lived a woman with her 4 children who used to call her चाई. She was a refugee like us and – as was quite common in the 50s and 60s – she struggled to bring up her family. As a respite from the daily rigours of Delhi life, she would sing this bhajan. Giving extra emphasis to , मुझे दुनिया वालों से क्या काम रे.

On third hearing of the song, my mind started to pay particular attention to its lyrics, and before long a tear of admiration effortlessly flowed down my cheeks, as economy of words, finesse of phrase, and sensitivities of sentiments overwhelmed my rational faculties and my mind started riding the amplitudes of the roller coaster that is my childhood memories.

This bhajan is quintessentially Indian, composed by Jaikishan, written by Hasrat Jaipury and sung by Lata Mangeshkar, it is a part of the sound-track of my childhood. In order to avoid offence I would not compare it with Meera’s bhajans, but it brought devotion to Krishna straight into my home, my गली, no longer was a walk to Ajmal Khan Park needed to hear the lilting sounds of Ramayana being read aloud. Bhakti had come home.

This thought is for Lord Krishna whose love is universal; it is for चाई whose visage decorates some nearly forgotten memories of my childhood, above all it is for Hasrat Jaipuri who captures the core teachings of Hinduism झूठा सांस का आना जाना झूठी है ये काया, ओ यहाँ साँचा तेरा नाम रे
बनवारी रे

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Here is the talent-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na_0V_yEHGA

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Parvez, welcome back desperate for news of Moradabad. Are the Mishra clan’s 8 houses still standing on the corner of Station road and Hallet road opposite Kapoor company ka chauraha?
tHAT BLOODY AZHARUDDIN, IS HE EVER AROUND?
Recently discovered my family tree goes back to my great grand father who started life in nearby Afzalgarh as a rich micro-mini Raja. The jaagir had disappeared in the next generation and 3 generations have now worked for the sarkaar in some form or another, either in India or here in UK

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Parvez-
The Poorvanchal, Kanpur, Gazipur areas of UP used to have a fairly strong communist presence at one time. Communist party got upto 30 plus seats in some of the elections in 1960s-1970s.
Dynamic leaders like Sirju Pandey and Jharkhand Roy built the party there.

However, the whole area now is represented by caste/religion politics, and there is no trace of communists there any more. The last Marxist MP from there was Subhashini Ali, daughter of Capt Lakshmi Menon (from my part of the country), the INA leader/fighter. She represented Kanpur in the early 1990s if my memory serves me right.

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@Vinay1, YOU DONT NEED NOBEL PRIZE WINNING WORK TO LIFT THE MASSES OUT OF POVERTY.Just Common sense AND HONEST WORK AND ELBOW GREASE will do. A REVOLUTION in agriculture can be ushered by coalescing all adjacent holdings to a econonomy of scale plot say 60 acres.This is a co-operative , all the land owners are shareholder.They apply for share marketlisting by combining several co-operatives undr one umbrella., employ a FARM MANAGER , and AGRO SCIENTIST , and RENT OUT HEAVY FARM EQUIPMENT , BUILD GRAIN SILOS . INDIA WILL BE CHANGED FOREVER. Same applies to FISH FARMING and POULTRY AND DAIRY FARMING.
All the technology is FREELY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET ,
BUT WHO WILL BELL THE CAT

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@ Gopi

I dont and did not see any communists in the UP poll landscape. Anyway I am ll of 24 yers old and dont know too much of the left strength here. However in my knowledge, when Prakash karat was trying to topple UPA 1, he had approached behenji for support. In her typical style behenji has asked for the PM’s seat in case he wanted her support

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@ Dr Mishra

I know Kapoor chauraha however never met Azhar. When I do meet him I am obviously going to ask… did you or did you not fix the matches?

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@ Shoeb

There is a strong case for reorganising and dividing UP. Right now the lefft hand does not knwo what the right is doing. However the worst part is self praise based on public money. Behenji is really an elephant who has done the despotic things I saw in Libya and Iraq, buidling statues on mone of the public.

I would pull my sister’s ears if she did this!

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@ Rajiv

You are right that Muslims are fighting for “Muslim” issues like mosques, personal laws and reservations. However I would also blame the politicians of this country who want us separated from the mainstream by trying to project a monopolisitc right over us. Further, the low level politics of this country has been of “sale and purchase” of votes.

I dont know what community you belong to. But in case a politician wanted your vote he can easily scare you that your religion or sub-sect is in danger and I can be your saviour. Unfortunately Muslims have let their agenda be hijacked based on their religious needs and not their economic and national needs.

Frankly after seeing the way the wind is blowing, I only see a deepening of religious and caste lines in UP.

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“kamasutra is the only gift which hindu india has given to world.” —–engrich.

This is engrich’s left-handed compliment to Hindu India.

Looks like he was born out of Kamasutra without mangal sutra.

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manohar, very nice articles on the water table and pPopat Pawar. But really too many people in India now sharing fixed resources, to abolish poverty we need population control in the countryside and amongst the poor. In our factory, most workers had average 6-7 children in the 70s according to abbu.
Today it is 3-4, still too many i think.

VIJAY, where are you mate. I forgot to say heard you are from St Columbas school, my commiserations dude, we all know what a **** school that was hahahahaha. just wondering maybe you should apply to Mulayam for AARAKSHAN- new category for columbites lolllllzzzz!!!!!

hey Dr Pankaj and mishra, give CPR TO vijay, he is tirning blue in the face, hahahahaha only kidding dude

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Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, men who saved India

Amulya Ganguli

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment_mahatma-gandhi-and-jawaharlal-nehru-men-who-saved-india_1644485

Excerpt

In a recent article, Pervez Hoodbhoy, a Lahore University professor, wrote: “It is time to reflect on what makes so many Pakistanis disposed towards celebrating murder, lawlessness and intolerance … to understand the kind of psychological conditioning that has turned us into nasty brutes”. A one-line answer is that Pakistan did not have Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru at the time of its “moth-eaten” formation, to quote Jinnah. From this response follows the corollary — that the absence of Gandhi and Nehru would have turned Indians, too, into “nasty brutes” and their country would have resembled Pakistan in its dysfunctional state. The satisfaction which Indians draw today from the country’s stable, multi-cultural democracy would not have been a feature of the polity at all because, without Gandhi’s and Nehru’s sane presence in 1947, Indians would have been constantly at each other’s throats on the grounds of religion, caste, language and any other conceivable divisive factor.

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Read on.

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I am facing severe problems in posting comments.
Comments are just getting gobbled up with disqus authorisation. With Guest login – the comments take a moderator route which is another black-hole.
Is it just me or anybody else facing issues as well ?

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What Golimarkar(to borrow from Ravi’s expression) wanted but couldn’t get Pakistan followed golimarkar’s path like a loyal chela, this is what golimarkar wanted
“thereby ensuring that the minorities would have no more than second-class status and live “wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation [a saffron echo of the two-nation
theory], claiming nothing, deserving no privileges … not even citizen’s rights”, as Golwalkar of the RSS decreed”
ACTUALLY TOO MUCH CREDIT IS BEING GIVEN TO GANDHI NEHRU
The intellectual ferment that took place in HINDU society as a consequence of coming in contact with european civilization , in the 18th century , created people like RAJA RAM MOHAN ROY, TAGORE VIVEKANANDA, which laid the foundation for hindus discovering their PAST. FIRST TIME IN 2000YRS Indians felt they had a history THAT DO TIE THEM TOGETHER. As I mentioned before only when Mr Princep deciphered Bramhi script THEN ONLY INDIANS CAME TO KNOW ABOUT ASHOKA.
Having EMBRACED EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION WHOLEHEARTEDLY India couldn’t become PORKISTAN who could not come out of the TRANCE created by RELIGION THAT IS ISLAM. Also Pakistan was a RURAL AGARIAN ECONOMY SO WAS BANGLADESH , thus all the BACKWARDNESS, TRIBALISM ETC. India was fairly COSMOPOLITAN at that time. Remember ZULFI BHUTTO came to study in Bombay.
Remember Nehru said “i will be the first british pm of india”
Gandhi said”Western civilization is a good thing”
SIR SIKANDAR HAYAT KHAN realised this , he said JINNAH IF HE HAS HIS WAY , HE WILL TURN PAKISTAN INTO A JINNASTAN

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for mr ravi and shan, UNHAPPY SOCCER PLAYERS OF ENGLAND..
UK soccer player Duncan Ferguson introduces himself to Steffen Freund – Coming out of the Closet with Fuse: Meet Big Dunc e

Duncan Ferguson, former team mate of UK footballer Gary Speed, was jailed in 1994 for assaulting a rival player on the pitch.

Gary Speed was ‘found hanged after a row’

More than 122 footballers are in jail, a charity has revealed s

More than 120 former UK football stars are behind bars for:

1. drug dealing

2. assault

3. car theft

4. shoplifting

In December 2011, former Manchester United player Ronnie Wallwork was jailed for 15 months for selling stolen car parts.

In November 2011, former Leyton Orient player Elliot Omozusi, 22, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years for witness intimidation.

In August 2011, former Southend player Tesfaye Bramble, brother of Sunderland player Titus, was jailed for four-and-a-half years for raping a teenage girl.

In 2008, Joey Barton of football team QPR was jailed for assault.

In 2008, former Plymouth goalkeeper Luke McCormick caused the deaths of Aaron Peak, 10, and brother Ben, 8, in an alcohol-fuelled road smash and was sentenced to seven years in jail.

In 1990, Tony Adams was jailed for drink-driving while he was captain of Arsenal.

GARY SPEED – MYSTERIOUS DEATH

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Gopi,
Continuing on Iran situation …..
The IRAN war might have less to with Oil , even lesser to do with Iran’s nuke capabilities and more with Iran challenging the status quo of USD as primary exchange currency.
From this perspective , IMHO the war seems inevitable.

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Prahlad,
Somewhere in this blog you said :
“Shan Sir,

Are we forgetting the basic reasons for fragmentation of the land holding ?”

IMHO, it not just the land fragmentation that is the root cause.
The land ownership pattern in rural India itself is hopelessly skewed – with the balance heavily tilted against lower castes. Now add fragmentation to it . Further complicate the picture by increased cultivation costs, climate un-certainity , proper lack of access to crop insurance and financial instruments such as futures to make the agriculture un-sustainable on a small patch of land.
As a result what we get is farmer suicides and migration to urban areas.

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I own a small farm along with my brother. Honestly these are the things we have discovered.

a) it is impossible to earn more that Rs 40,000 per acre per year with wheat or regular crops.

b) Mechanization does not make sense unless u have more than 10 acres.

c) The water table is sinking with each year. It is 200 ft in Haryana. and 600 ft in Punjab. We use drip irrigation, but it requires constant monitoring.

d) The prices of land have risen to 30-40 lakh per acre and most farmers are now thinking of selling to colonisers.

e) At least 30% vegatables rot becasue of lack of cold staorages.

The fact is in India we dont think of our overpopulation any more. The government too has ditched this problem. And while there is some slowdown in population growth we have still not got it down to zero growth. Planners now proudly say we are a young nation. But they are stupid not to realise that our water and land resources are fixed and we are in sight of prennial food shortages.

I am not too enamoured by GM food, though ok with hybrids. Well the real issue would still remain cooperative farming for mechanization (with independent land owners) Otherwise I dont see it happening.

The best way would be some forum where tractors, seed and agro tech were shared and so is storage space.

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/Islamists-admit-London-Stock-Exchange-bomb-plot/Article1-805162.aspx

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Isreali population density is similar to India. The US is only I think about 40, UK is 300 . (got to be checked . I am in a car… too much hassle )

Point is the US model of 10,000 acre farms with multiple machinery and corporations running them is difficult here bcos of multiple land holdings.

The Isreali kibbutz model remodelled to suit Indian conditions can probably be replicated– by getting farmers to share machinery, water, seeds, drip irrigation etc.

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@ Gopi

The trick is to create rural employment in costruction of infrastrucre projects and then have enough education to get them into services and industry as workers…

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Freedom of speech throttled again.

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=749857

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Re. Iran situation. What Mahesh said about Iran trading in non-dollar currencies
is serious. This point is discussed over here frequently and US is not at all happy with
this idea. Other countries are also using this non dollar trade which was originally
floated and adopted by Iran. Issue of oil is also very important. What I hear in this
part of the world that US has a long term plan of complete control over Middle East.
Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq and now Libya are almost under their control. Iran is the next big hurdle. Will US attack Iran is a big question ? If Obama decides to attack than next
elections are in his pocket. But will he do that ? Democrats are different from Republicans. IMO we may not see any attack on Iran till democrats are ruling in US.
If Mitt Romney — he is the most likely candidate of Republic party — wins the elections
in November, than next four years are going to be very crucial where Iran is concerned.

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aaloke eik aur deshbhakt kee ram kahani,

नोएडा के मॉल में मिली 200 करोड़ की ‘तिजोरी’

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Mohan (and all married men):

Bhagwan: Beta, koi mannat maango.
Bhakt: Please Bhagwan, mujhe phir se unmarried ban dijiye.
Bhagwan: Beta, maine ‘mannat’ maango bola tha…..’jannat’ nahin.

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Supreme court has cancelled 122 2G licences. This proves that those licences
were under priced and bribe was paid to get these. Government is responsible for
this fiasco as they could have stopped this but chose not to. Should not the government resign on moral grounds ?

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Why should a newspaper have two Political Editors ? Is one not enough ? Is there too much politics in the country that a daily requires to have two Editors to edit the News ? Are two different nuances required in the coverage of the country’s politics ? Is one rumoured to moving out for greener pastures ? Is atleast one rquired to attend to TV studios while the other stays in office to edit the page? Is one stronger with the old lobby , which rumours says is giving way to the New ? Is the other better placed with the New Order ?

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While Manish Tiwari has compared Modi with Hitler, Kashmiri muslims are taking
shelter in Gujarat.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-01/ahmedabad/31012482_1_muslims-ahmedabad-baramulla

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Global Recession and Financial Crisis have become so critical and serious now days that……majority of the men have started loving their own wives!!!!!!

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What would it take for the PM to resign? The SC today has cancelled all the licenses issued by the then telecom minister Mr. A Raja declaring them as being totally arbitrary and unconstitutional.

In our parliamentary democracy, isn’t the PM responsible for the decisions made by his cabinet colleagues? Why would he like to beleive that he or other cabinet minsiters were not aware of/empowered to stop the loot? The least the PM should do is to ask the current HM to resign. If the PM defends its then finance minister Mr. Chidambaram today, then it means he supports his role in the entire 2G episode. So, if tomorrow the Patiala House court orders an enquiry into the role of Mr. Chidambaram in this case, the government should resign.

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Congress has released its manifesto for UP elections. It was quite Muslim-specific, although it has not promised moon. Some of its priorities:
- Additional funds for Wakf Corporation
- Launch special fund for the restoration of Wakf properties
-Implement Madrasa modernization
- Make Urdu a second language and take measures to promote its use

This coming from Indian National congress!

They could have promised one central school for promising Muslim students; it would have done more for Muslims! But, no; they are dispensing what Mullahs want to hear!

Oh, btw, Diryodhan Singh was a speaker at an All UP Mullah function in Lucknow two days ago- guess what he talked about (although the subject was not on the agenda) – saffron terrorism… Figure it out

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*** Sibal blames A Raja, NDA for 2G spectrum scam ***

He goes on to justify this by saying the govt. was only following NDA policy . If there was no wrong doing and zero-loss (patented by him), then

a) why is Raja is jail, and
b) why has the SC cancelled the 2G licenses issued in 2008 and not the ones in 2003 or earlier

It won’t come as a surprise if tomorrow he blames Martin Cooper for the scam as he was the one who designed the first mobile phone.

Shamless minister and typical Congressi.

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Sibal is blaming NDA for all the scams. Will he give credit to NDA for all the UPA’s achievements if any?

Anna once said both Sibal and Chidu are class liar..He has been proved correct beyond any doubt.

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Growing irrelevance of the Indian ayatollah
Praveen Swami

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2851420.ece?homepage=true

Late in the ninth century CE, the great physician, chemist and philosopher, Muhammad ibn Zakaria al-Razi, launched a scathing attack on the pietist ideological foundations of the world he lived in.

“All men being by their nature equal,” he argued in his magnum opus, Fi Nekdh al-Adyan, or Refutation of Revealed Religions, “the prophets cannot claim any intellectual or spiritual superiority. The miracles of the prophets are impostures or belong to the domain of pious legend.”

The theist’s counter-argument, he said, was violence: “asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them”.

Last month’s silencing of Salman Rushdie, preceded and followed as it was by a succession of faith-inspired attacks on free speech, tempts one to believe little has changed in a thousand years.

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Shenoy and Mohan wah ji wot luvly humour.
RIZWAN EFFECT. Bloggers will remember how rizwans coming leads to unpresidented changes.
1. Ravi who used to abuse hindu gods was actually nostalging about bhajans of his youth. What we expect now?? Pervez mush saying sorry for kargil?
2. But this is bigger miracle, cingulate of dr shan has actually got so scared of riswan that he has actuaally not abused anyone for 3 weeks.
I think shan will now send valentine card to Vijay. Oye Viju pl u look after yr asss, varna ” shan tumhey bagiyan ghumaney ley jaayega”
Hehe

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@ Vinod Sharma

Would you not agree that the downfall of the UPA began the day chotta baba came out of his kintergarten and tried to play politics with India and tried to undermine MMS to project himself and Digvinash as the rightfull crown holders

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Thursday evening. I can only post ‘A’ class jokes.

What is the height of darkness.

Two Negros making love in a coal mine wearing black condom.

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I must say Kapil Sibal and Digvijay truly represent Congressis..Scums of the highest order.

Even on this blog most of the congressis use SIbal/Digvijay kind of language and logic. It is congress culture that needs to be eradicated.

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Okay Folks , as we all come to this blog to share and learn from each other’s experience , here is one I like to share.
This is in essence my tribute to the MOST UNDERVALUED profession in the market economy.
My BOSCH washing machine went on the blink with wet clothes inside. . Now to order through the internet , and delivery and then assembling and disposal of the old one will take at least 48-72hrs.So I rang up a technician in my area. Now in UK , rarely people repair domestic appliances, because for a few quid more you can buy a new one. My predicament was the wet clothes inside and the time to replacement.
The guy came , at the exact time he said he will come(Britain is down but not out).
It gave me a wonderful opportunity to see how the damn thing works. The disassembling is AN ART IN ITSELF. Unless you know “THE ANATOMY” you cannot do it. Every step follows a logical sequence WITH PRECISE TOOLS. The way he extracted out the motor from the back of the machine was as aweinspiring as any surgery.We all have LEARNT BY ROTE (as is the case in India) about the motor, now was my chance to see. The technical knowledge and the DEXTERITY involved in pulling out the BRUSH and the PIN that locks it , made me bow my head in respect.
The motor was not running , he initially thought it was the brushes that had worn off , but it was not the case. He thought the motor needed greasing , then when he checked for current , at the ? READ Circuit , there was not enough current. He was is in a fix, he rang his mate , who suggested to remove the PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD from the front . He presto , one single circuit point had melted. He apparently used to be TV technician , so he took out the offending pin and resoldered it .

THE REASON FOR RELATING THIS STORY is this guy’s (LIKE SO MANY IN SIMILAR SITUATION IN INDIA) INTELLECTUAL QUOTIENT is far FAR superior than
any BANKER like Chanda Kochar or Naina Lal Kidwai or that matter DUMBOS LIKE
Sonia Singh , YET THE ASTRONOMICAL DIFFERENCE IN PAY AND SOCIAL SCALE.
I have always felt Engineers are the most undervalued and MISUSED profession all over the world EXCEPT GERMANY AND JAPAN. Though in USA , the ANGLOSAXONS by genetics are very TECHNICALLY MINDED.
Akio Morita in his book MADE IN JAPAN alludes to this fact.
That is why in INDIA , so many engineers become SALESMAN with zero connection to engineering. ALSO SCORES MORE LEAVE THE SHORES and you cannot blame them , WHEN A EX SUGAR MILL OWNER RUNS A ELECTRONIC COMPANY(VIDEOCON) , an ex IMPORT -EXPORT GUY withZERO technical aptitude runs MOBILE TELEPHONY BUSINESS (BHARTI) THUS UNDERSTANDABLY OUTSOURCES 100% OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
OH YES THE GREATEST LARGESSE DOLED OUT BY THE CONgress , the MATHEY KI KALANK , the HINDUSTAN AMBASSADOR CAR (the butt of jokes all over the world) ,
NO WONDER THE NATURE MAGAZINE REMARKED
“IIT’S ARE THE GREATEST GIFT OF INDIA TO AMERICA”

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A must watch program..Tarek Fatah speaking about what is pakistan..He is baring discrimination in pakistani Islam, hatred for jews-hindus..
The people like Ravi and Enrich can learn alot by following such people..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lC3A7dbgQ

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The real face od Dar-ul-uloom, Deoband:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50955-through-the-looking-glass-at-deoband.html

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I never realized that a innocuous joke posted by me would lead to a discussion about
political correctness. Guys treat joke as a joke only and smile if you like it otherwise
just ignore. IMO there is already too much of political correctness being practiced
and in process people are not able to put forward their views strongly because of the
scare of offending so called feelings of some group/caste/religion. Often people get offended by silly things.

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Hush … political editors are burning the midnight oil … . There is a deadline … and there has to be an immediate response to the “ Monumental Shame on UPA” by the Supreme Court of India . So a piece on Subramaniam Swamy … but would it be wise to carry under their own byeline… no .. Oh bravo … Reuters have come out with something… what a face-saver.. Just what we would like to write ….Subramanian Swamy: Crusading hero or just publicity-hungry? ……A publicity-hungry former minister and disgraced Harvard Professor …..Swamy’s fight is a political one….. Amid the embarrassment for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s government, which oversaw the sale of the licences at below-market prices, the 72-year-old eyed his next target……..A celebrated economist and noted foreign policy expert, Swamy is perhaps best known as a pedlar of conspiracy theories that range from the sublime to the ridiculous…….His claims, which mostly centre on Italian-born Congress party President Sonia Gandhi, include allegations that Gandhi is often spirited away by “dubious Arab” businessmen to Dubai, where she is hosted by agencies of countries “hostile to India”.
Whereas the country is lauding the efforts of Swamy who single-handedly jolted the swagger of an arrogant and shameless government of scamsters , scumsters and tricksters , some are trying to find a way to salvage its reputation…a difficult task but they are a brave lot and never say die…

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~~ SARKAR BEHOOSH ~~ SPIN DOCTORS KHAMOSH~~ MEDIA SARFROSH~~
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At Vinodji and Prabhat

Kuch toh bolo, Vindoji,
Ab toh chuppi tod do, Prabhatji !!

The UPA is really in doldrums now !! Good… yeh corrupt or dynasty waalon ko ab alvida kehene ka time aa gaya hai…. !

The point is they are all trying to save themselves now, by blaming A Raja. Wah Wah !! Kya chori aur seenazori hai !! Was Raja acting alone????? Kanimozhi and Dayanidhi will be the first ones to be named. And maybe even some corpoates like Anil Ambani who fixed everything.

But did Chotta baba get somethign directly or indirectly???

Big question. In case the Congress campaign funds came from 2G kickbacks… then there is a direct link. Many a times people would say, Rajiv is clean. The Bofors kickbacks was just for COngress funding of elction. Well if you go on campaign trails with kickback money, get the job on kickback money, get your petrol, your personal favours for corporate partnerships….

Then how the hell can you be clean???

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Govt losing on the VK SIngh age front also…

yeh kya ho raha hai?

Seems that where they cannot use their gestapo power, they lose

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Govt losing on the VK SIngh age front also…

yeh kya ho raha hai?

Seems that where they cannot use their gestapo power, they lose

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The problem is Govt may be losing , BUT NO ONE IS WINNING, imagine Akhilesh Yadav as PM or Sushma Mousi as Finance Minister.
My prediction is UP WILL HAVE A HUNG PARLLIAMENT , with congress/sp forming govt.

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The 2G cancellations will result in another set back in FDI

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Looting, looting everywhere…now it is MGNREG rural employment funds!
High time to get rid of the IAS centralized machinery; direct payments to be implemented.. Hopefully Aadhar will help in the future

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Digvijay Singh informs the country , in Hyderabad , that the Govt is going to file Review Petition , in the SC. Is he the Govt Spokesman on policy ?
But must be true . After all how will the beneficiaries account for the money taken ? Will those from whose pockets , the money has flowed ….who have paid the sums sit quitely ?…. Big problem…

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The UPA/Govt is worse than incompetent!

Who is Digryodhan Singh to talk about filing petition etc? IS he the Solicitor general? Is he the Law Minister?

This in a microcosm is the problem with the Indian polity.

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Another big scam of 42000 crores in the making.
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MMS government gives contract to Rafale of France even though their planes are not comparable to those of US.
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Order given under pressure from Sonia Gandhi-another BOFORS in the making?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIpGwIzDOk

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http://www.omantribune.com/index.php?page=news&id=111453&heading=India

Another scam ?

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The devil’s deal in UPA

Written by Vir Sanghvi.
how much true it sounds.

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Vijay/Pankaj,
I was watching ‘left-right-center’ on NDTV (Nehru Dynasty TV) moderated by pro-Congress Nidhi Razdan,
Our Vinod Sharma came up with unique logic to defend Congress..According to him SC has put blame on Raja and NOT once mentioned anything about collective responsibility of Cabinet. This he claims is kind of clean chit to Manmohan.
Isn’t it a given that in a democracy like India, it is collective responsibility of cabinet if anything goes wrong?
These people especially Sharma and Sanghvi are inventing excuses to shield MMS and indirectly shield the real hand behind all scams, SoniaG. Nothing moves in Congress without SoniaG’s approval so how come she was not aware of 2G (CWG etc.) loot?

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Shan,
Here is difference between NDA’s first come first serve policy and UPA’s use of same policy. You have started slamming BJP even without comparing two different times when FCFS policy was implemented by NDA and UPA.

Please read this to understand the issue-
http://www.firstpost.com/business/first-come-first-served-sibals-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-again-202676.html

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The main reason Rafale is selected because France can be a trusted supplier and will provide excellent after sales support whereas US goes by its own rules (whims and fancies) and may disrupt supplies of part citing some stupid US law. US can not be a trusted supplier and partner for Indian defence.

After Russia (after the aircraft carrier fiasco, not any more), Israel and France can be reliable defence suppliers and partners.

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The main reason RAFALE was selected because it is an outstanding aircraft , which passed some 568 tests conducted over a period of 5 yrs.
Making flippant remarks is free on the blog , just that loweers the standard of the blog

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@ Cingulate who ejaculates wrong facts”

a) F-35 was on offer to the Indian airforce. If you want I can post the comparison here between the rafale and F-35

b) Pakistan has F-16’s which have almost Rafake like capabilities.

c) The only justification for Rafale can be IN CASE TECH TRANSFER FOR MANUFACTURING IS DONE LOCK STCOK AND BARREL TO INDIA.

Otherwise there is no comparison

Dont be obsessed with wrong facts. French tech is no longer the acme of perfection. The time and mindset has gone where student indians looke3d upto France, UK or US.

here INDIAN MONEY is being spent. All the companies of the world are at your doorsteps. There is no reason for going in for the second best

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~~~ A PRAYER FOR OUR DEAR VINOD SHARMA ~~~
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Dear Vinodji

Please get your Rajya Sabha seat fast.
we all will get a chance to dine in the rajya Sabha, at last

But with you there
We will have parties galore

The UPA is now a three legged horse
It will collapse before it runs the full course

With MMS as always reclusive
It is you who finds for the UPA all the excuses

If you want we will announce

” A BOOKER PRIZE FOR THE BEST EXCUSES FOR UPA’S CHASTITY !!!! “

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A sad commentary on DRDO who was suppose to give LCA almost a decade back..Read how delay in LCA development resulted in Rafale deal..

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/Mayday-mayday/Article1-806328.aspx

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Can education reform muslim mind? Osama, Enrich, Ravi are examples of muslims who did not change even after getting high education.

Here is another example, the ideologue of Indian Mujahideen…

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Founding-IM-member-an-engineer-arrested/Article1-806458.aspx

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Don’t tie down the India of ideas
Pulapre Balakrishnan

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2858027.ece?homepage=true

Excerpt

We need to free our universities from the stifling rules and quantitative targets which govern academic hiring and promotion.

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Read on.

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Vinod sharma live on NDTV with Barkha Dutt giving his own spin on SC observation..This guy is beyond shameless..

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Shan,
Here is another blog explaining how FCFS was manipulated by Raja (and of course Congress). It is explained with a brilliant example..I hope this will help you..

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-now/entry/decoding-2g-scam-for-the-3-idiots-generation

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Arnold Schwarznegger could not visit Taj Mahal because of Friday prayers.

http://www.timesunion.com/entertainment/article/Schwarzenegger-visits-Taj-Mahal-finds-it-closed-3000741.php

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Manohar,

The link about bribery charges on Praful Patel I had posted is a very small issue.

Read this long interesting article which appeared in Caravan as how during the
tenure of Praful Patel, Air India incurred huge losses.

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/Story/1186/Tailspin.html

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There was discussion on quality/superiority of aircrafts manufactured by France and US. I am not an expert on this subject, however please read this about one of the
most famous aircraft a380 manufactured now facing problems. by Airbus headquartered in France. I have a ticket booked on 380 next month to Malaysia
and my wife has asked to change the flights.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2012/01/09/airbus-a380-jets-should-be-grounded-say-engineers-115875-23692200/

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Lot of links have been provided by fellow blogger including myself, need some time
to go through all these.
I will be in India for about three weeks and will not be able to visit this blog regularly
– I know i won’t be missed – . Meanwhile please read this

Joke of the day.
A small businessman from Kanpur went to Delhi for purchasing. There he met his
ex girl friend and the old love re-kindled. He forgot about his purchasing and started
spending more and more time with this girl and both started having ‘fun’ together.
After about a week he called his wife and told her that
purchasing is still not over, it will take him few more days. Again after few days he
called his wife and repeated the same story that purchasing is still on, it will take
him few more days to return back. When one month passed his wife called and told
him ‘ If you don’t come back immedeatly than whatever you are purchasing there I will
start selling that here ‘. Next flight this gentleman was back to Kanpur

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~ congress evolves from ~ MODI MODI, RAPE RAPE to RAJA RAJA RAPE RAPE!!~
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The COngress has a new tune now. Sab kuch Raja hi ne kiya hai !!

Wah Wah Wah !!

Just before this 2G verdict was to come out it, even foisted some insults on our valiant scientists who gave us the success story of Chandrayan. Technocrats can make mistakes, but to sully them to hide your own skin speaks of cowardice.

Anything to protect the Chotta baba,

Even if all the decisons were taken by Rja and the kickbacks limited to the DMK, the cabinet should resign as the final decisons were taken by them.

But where is the moral courage?

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Sometime back Vinod Sharma Sahib had written that the BJP requires another Atalji. We said , more than that, it is the Congress which requires another Lal Bahadur Shastri. So Rajeev should not be surprised if Mr Vinod Sharma defends the Mnamohan and his Council of Ministers on TV with a fig leaf that the SC has not named the PM or his Council of Ministers.
And no wonder if the CBI court refusing to name Chidambaram the country’s Home Minister as a co-conspirator is touted as a big victory for the UPA.

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Defence Procurement is a multi-stage fairly long drawn out process. All that has happened so far is that France has been given the most favoured supplier status. India still has the option to change its mind and there is no guarantee that it may not.

Reading the views of highly qualified aeronautics experts – who permanently throng this blog, it is difficult not to form the impression, war has ended and Pakistan F-35 beat the shit out of RAFALE. Well-educated Doctors, dubious civil engineers and congenital morons alike have felt the urge to opine on the matter, as if they themselves would have done the job better than those whose real job it is.

Statements amounting to – nation’s safety has been compromised for the sake of a large bribe, are being bandied about with complete impunity. Not surprising when one reads from the same sources, that Sonia Gandhi is a Catholic, Italian Fascist, and is running the country for the benefit of Italian Fascism.

To those who are bored with this tittle tattle, I recommend a game spot Walter Mitty(S), here.

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@RajeevS, This is what you wrote
“sad commentary on DRDO who was suppose to give LCA almost a decade back..Read how delay in LCA development resulted in Rafale deal..”

Some further tutorial which will show I follow these matters with same zeal as my own vocation.
LCA is a very good aircraft , IT IS THE LIGHTEST aircraft due extensive use of alloys ans carbon composites. The design is BANG UP TO DATE.This far good.
Now the problem, THE ENGINE, it could not produce required thrust , last i read it was traced to the COMPRESSOR, one would have thought they can come up with al alternate design. It is still undergoing high altitude endurance test after being strapped on the belly of a TUPLEOV aircraft.
Saab Viggen , despite being an advanced aircraft USES GE 426 engines.FROM USA.
So we are stuck at the engine front.
Lot of other technology appropriation has been carried out, like HUD display .
RADAR is ANOTHER BIG PROBLEM.
DRDO made tall claims , but when it came to the crunch , they were no where near.
They have approached ERICSSON of sweden for help.
NOW WHY THIS HAPPENS.
Read my commentary on the state of Engineers in India on this blog few days back, you will get the answers.More precise reasons that I feel I have unearthed , by researching DRDO websites is as follows
One has to accept THE CREAMY LAYER of BRAINS ALL END UP IN IIT.
Now remember what NATURE magazine said”IIT’S are the greatest gift of India to USA”
All the technical personnel on the different DRDO labs are all graduates of SMALL LOCAL engineering college(their biodata is available on the web)
ALSO THERE IS NO INVOLVEMENT OF WORLD CLASS MANAGEMENT INPUT , in the way of PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
Even the designation is so amateurish, SCALE A , SCALE B etc , the pay is no where near the pvt sector.
LASTLY LOT OF TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE STOLEN , every country does INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE , india’s RAW IS SHIT IN THIS MATTER

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Vijay Kumar,
Back to Raffale.
As Ravi states below – when doing a deal this big and important several aspects are considered. There are no clear-cut and exact answers. Relative technical superiority in certain aspects is just one aspect of it. Just because F-35s can be bought doesn’t necessarily mean they are the best fit for our needs. Or , maybe , at some later date these would be bought as well. Who knows ?
However, that is all besides the point. What rather prompted my question was the ease and absolute certainity with which the conclusion about corruption was reached.
And that too without any much of reasoning offered.
Maybe – and just maybe – you are correct. But then where is supporting reasoning ?

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Mahesh , perhaps it has escaped your attention F35 will cost 130 million dollar a piece , not ready for another 10yrs, A COUNTRY WHERE 50% OF THE POPULATION IS MALNOURISHED , to buy F35 , is simply a criminal act.Also whom are we fighting PAKISTAN , a country that has as much friend as North Korea, as for chinese Chengdu , whatever IAF has got in its inventory can deal a fatal blow to the chinese CERTAINLY SUKHOI 30MKI , is the best combat aircraft in the world.

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Guys
Looks like US will go to war with Iran. The noise level has increased with news leaks, experts commenting on bunker busters, war strategies and with Fox channel constantly presenting the catastrophe if Iran gets nukes. The right wing always wanted an attack, and now the left is slowly made to believe. The republican senators/congressmen have started openly criticizing the president that he does not care about the vulnerable Jews of Israel!!

I read the comments here on the potential corruption in the fighter jet procurement – an interesting development happened here this week – house passed a bill preventing congressmen from “insider trading”.

Senators and congressmen could buy/sell stocks, make investments based on the bills under consideration or companies under investigation, before the information was public. Senate may endorse the house bill and put a stop to this, or they may find some loophole not to pass this so they can continue to profit from this insider trading deal.

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Rajeev;
Since our discussion about castes took place a day or two before, I would not discuss it any more. I would like to share my perception of opportunism at an opportune time.

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Let us hope we are procuring the best defence jets.
At the same time let us citizens make sure we and our leaders are anchored in;

“Ahimsa paramo dharma
Sthatham himsa param thapa
Ahimsa paramam sathyam
Yatho Dharma pravartha te “‘ (Mahabhratha, Anushasan Parva, 115.23)

This is the constant rejuvenation; and our Mahathmaji constantly uttered, even when he was shot.

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Could someone please tell me why is Mr. A Raja in jail?

Is it because:
a) he fixed the spectrum prices at 2001 level
b) played with the dates of application, or
c) both

If the answer is only (b), then definitely Mr. Chidambaram couldn’t be held guilty of the charge and hence can’t be made a co-accused. However, if the answer is (a) or (c), then I am sure the higher courts may allow him to be made an accused in the case along with Mr. A Raja as and when Mr. Swamy approaches them.

The other charge against Mr. Chidambaram was ragarding allowing the two companies to dilute their share even before rolling out their services. The Hon’ble court has found nothing wrong with it. The fact that one of the foreign companies has a significant stake in Pakistan Telecom couldn’t help Mr. Swamy’s case either.

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Vijay Sir,

I read somewhere you pitching high for F-35.

I hope you remember that it was an after-thought offer only when the regular offer of F/A 18 super hornet got rejected. The offer was to “muddy” the regular bidding process after USA lost out.

I hope you are not again resorting to rhetorics !

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Mr Ishwar,

CBI under Mr Chidambaram ? Did he shift to a new ministry ?

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Shan,
Please visit some cow belt cities..Bengalis are everywhere living in rented houses with Baba Adam furniture.

Abhijeet Bhattacharya is from Kanpur. Kanpur has a huge bengali population.

I feel you never went out of waste Bengal and never intermingled with non-bengalis.

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My humble advice to Swamy is not to proceed after Chidambaram. BJP also will be better off if they focus on electoral victory instead of the constant call for his resignation or somebody else’e resignation. They are not going to get any extra vote because they are clamouring for resignation – citizens do not put them on a higher pedestal for this!

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Shan,
I agree LCA is a good fighter plane but it is decade behind schedule. The development of Kaveri Engine is stuck and on top of that most of the component are of foreign origin.

However I am happy that DRDO developed LCA..This has at least given us know how to develop nexr fighter aircraft. LCA was part of learning exercise.

It is 4.5 generation fighter better than J-10 **** jointly developed by China-Pak

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Ten years back I was a Tech nerd, reading all about defence equipment and comparisons etc. Now I am not so much into it but can still tell the difference between the thrust and a butt, a wingspan and a lifespan, a flight operating radius and a flight hostesses’ radius, the weapon load of a jet fighter and the weapon load of Katrrina Kaif and the stealth capacity of aircraft and the stealing capacity of the Congress etc etc

In my view– and honestly this is of an amateur enthusiast– the F-16’s Pakistan possesed were far superior to the earlier Jaguars, the Mirages and Migs India had. As Rajeev pointed out, the US squeezed Pakistans balls every few months and starved it of spares, making some of the F-16’s as good as bullock carts. But Pakistanis being Talibani in some measure cannibalsed ten F-16’s to run the next twenty.

So technically feature to feature– the F-22 and the F-35 would outstrip the Rafale. The F-355 is still on the trial stage but is expected to be the best. The Rafale is a 4.5 gen aircraft NOT ordered by any other airforce outside France. Frankly, France is no longer the hotspot of high Defence tech any more. Here are a few observatrions with HONEST intentions– not to score brownie points and not to deffame any serving officer– people whom I have highest regards for.

a) In case Technology transfer for aircraft manufacture happens for India, then there is a justifcation for the deal. We could also use the tech for the LCA especially on the field of amalgmating avionics and quality control.

b) We need to keep a watch out for the kickbacks as the French have done it so many times in their weapons programs. The last case which came to light was the submarine supply to Pakistan. Of course the french delayed some kickbacks which resulted in Pakisttani rulers using suicide bombers to kill french engineers at eh karachi naval base.

c) In any case out longterm goal should be to get the best and also start manufactruing in India. The Russian collaboration for the SU series I think takes care of this end.

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Scams and more scams everywhere. Should we rename our country Scam Republic of India?

Ex-Rajasthan minister, 29 others chargesheeted in land scam

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/ExRajasthan-minister-29-others-chargesheeted-in-land-scam/907912/

Excerpt

Madan Dilawar, who was a minister in the Vasundhara Raje government, and 29 others have been alleged of fabricating documents for an auction of government land under Atru Panchayat Samiti of Baran district in 1998, Baran ACB in-charge Deendayal Bhargav said.

As per the ACB findings, Dilawar used his political clout to ensure that the plot was sold to his near ones at extremely low rates, hence causing a revenue loss to the state exchequer.

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The only reason I support Rafale is that France can be trusted as Supplier and Partner. I still remember with Pokhran-II happened, France was the only country who supported India unconditionally. Even Russia lectured us on why we should not have N-weapons. The way puny countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada (Who enjoy US nuclear umbrella) slammed India is still fresh in my memory.
However with time these countries came around and accepted our status as N-Power (informally).

The way Russia inflated cost of Admiral Gorshkov and blackmailed India, has shaken Indian trust in Russia as defence partner.

I will pick France over other countries any day..especially against US, UK etc.

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Shan,
Harrier is 2nd generation sub-sonic fighter plane with max speed 650 mph, maximum takeoff weight ~8,500 kg whereas F35 is 5th generation, with max speed 1.6 mach and max. take off weight ~31,800 kg…

How can you compare the two?

You are a proud Brit but you should be a proud LOGICAL Brit

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@Ravi & Manohar,

My response following the discussion we had on RSS earlier. I know, your replies usually are faster than mine and will come in a day or two. But kindly excuse me. I prefer to take a leave, whenever this blog starts affecting my work life balance. I won’t be able to reply you guys this time. But would be happy reading your responses. Will take it up whenever I come back next. Ravi, my parting gift. My last post on Devadasi system, which was started at Zia’s blog.

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Regarding RSS,

When Hiranya Kashyap was dying, his son Prahlad asked Lord Narasimha to give moksha to his father. Narasimha replied, his father would get moksha anyway because he chanted Vishnu’s name more than any devotee. When I look at liberal’s reaction towards RSS, I feel the same. They take RSS more seriously than the swayam sevaks themselves.

@Ravi, Part 1:
“Homogenising the diversity of Hinduism into an Abrahamic look alike religion is what the Hedgewar and Golimarkar ambition was. This still continues to be the reason for RSS’s existence.”

Have you ever seen, RSS daring to hold intercaste marriages in mass numbers? If it is not bold enough to change social fabric, how do you state homogenising Hinduism is its ambition? But in its Shibirs there is no descrimination. In camps, only vegetarian food is served and everyone eats together.

Hedgewar, Golwarkar, Jinnah, Imran Khan, Modi – Not ready to put them into any communal bracket for what they said /did at a moment or what philosophy they believed at some point of time. Human being keeps evolving. Their thoughts too have changed over a period of time. For every statement Savarkar has spoken which sounds anti-Muslim, there is a contradicting quote from himself. So is Jinnah’s. My opinions on MMS and Modi have got interchanged over the few years. (I have seen Modi’s interview with Karan Thapar. His face certainly shows discomfort. He looks guilty, that gives me relief. That guilt will drive him to do something good). I also don’t consider two right wingers, if they stand on opposite side cannot have a talk. India did have cordial relationship with Pakistan during Vajpayee’s time. Who knows, tomorrow Modi and Imran can sit together and settle Kashmir dispute which liberal Congress and liberal Bhutto could not do. Both the people, despite their difference, want to move on and take their country to the next level. I don’t see this world as black and white.

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@Ravi, Part 2:
“The trend to push the ancient Veda’s into the background and give prominence to Ramayana and Mahabharata are carefully planned tactics to coalesce the diverse Hindu population into something resembling other major religions.”

This land has given shelter to so many refugees, who came here fearing prosecution.. Parsees, Jews, Christians from St. Thomas era, Shia Muslims of Iran. If ancestors of Brahmin community were outsiders (?), then they were no more/no less than others. Though Indus civilization gave respect to this commuity, they never borrowed Brahminical gods like Indra, nor Sanskrit became commoner’s language. Instead Brahmins adopted to local language and kept Indus God (Shiva) on top of their Gods. (First of all they were a minority group. They must be smart enough to know about their capacity). When Shoeb speaks of Tamil Brahmins settling in US, my mind thinks… eternal gypsies.

Vedas are ancient. Will agree. But were they in foreground before RSS entered the field? Ramayana and Mahabharat have been part of folklore since ages, Vedas never were. Reason? Rama and Krishna were local heroes. In fact, Krishna in Mandhara Parvat story clearly puts Aryan God (Indra) to his place by declaring, natives do not like “to be told” and will continue to pray whatever gods they are used to. Very much like Shivaji who fought for the rights of natives over central rule. Was Krishna a mythical character or a rebel who was made God (as usual) by people later, who can say?

“..This is my firm believe and othering of minorities, chiefly the Muslims is a part and parcel of this project…”
I have answered it somewhere earlier. It is the hesitation of the other communities to declare these Gods(/people) belong to them, as much as Hindus is what othered them. Not any organisation.

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@Ravi, Part 3
Your continuous comparison of RSS with LeT and Madrassa training has made me look upto what their students do and compare with what Swayamsevaks do.

First thing first. RSS is an extra curriculum unlike Madrassa which is a school, which has its own syllabus. We have our schools/colleges, tensions of exams/percentages like any other kids. RSS does not try to teach Sanskrit (teachers are ordinary citizens who work outside, just do this job an hour a day voluntarily), like Arabic in Madrassa. It is not a RamaKrishna mission which would teach Bhagavad Gita. (Madrassa teaches religion). Apart from celebrating some festivals, no religious education. Yes it speaks about history from extreme right wing which you would call it distorted, but I would say our history text books are also equally distorted in the other direction. How much did we ever read about Bhagat Singh or Azad or Subhash Chandra Bose in our texts? It was only Gandhi. I would say, learning in RSS completes the spectrum. Sawarkar or Golwalkar books are not any text books (There are no texts). The books, which were bought for me to read were Ajeya (story of Chandra Shekhar Azad, which described Azad like Robinhood.. ), Adamya (on Vasudev Balwant Phadke). No muslim bashings in any of these books. The Ajeya story describes, Ashfaq ulla Khan as a hero in Kakori train incident. But when it comes to glorious part of India, it speaks only upto muslim’s invasion and speaks mainly about Islamic barbarism rather than contribution. My feelings with RSS is that generally they do not like Pakistan and and many times call liberals as ISI agents (I felt they really believe it, not just saying for the sake of it) . But then, I have seen lot of people in the outside world also who speak like them. So, difficult to differentiate.

Another point is the kind of kids who go for it. Many of us belonged to one particular community (no need to say), who are historically known for talking and never for bravado.
Middle class parents.. tough cut off percentages… We hear all about Mahmud of Ghazni and Prithviraj Chauhan in Shakhas; as soon as we go home the story gets vapourised and trignometry starts. During 10th and 12th, visits to Shakhas will get rare, after that some infrequent visits, finally when one gets a job and settles with family it is all about taking the dress out on Guru Purnima day (like a fancy dress, which would have been preserved like an ornament) and/or going to a BJP leader’s speach and voting for BJP. May be, if someone has time and energy, he would start volunteering as a teacher. IT milans are another thing, where IT guys meet on Sunday, exchange company gossips (after the usual surya samaskar session), talk about BJP, ***** about Cong and disperse (it is more like an adda of old pals). There is no “special thing” as any outsider imagines. In fact, if anyone attends any nearby Shakha will understand what I am trying to say. (You can find out, how they really are and what they feel about todays BJP).

RSS conducts camps. There are 3 levels. I have been to the first one. Things are quite tough. Getting up very early. Living with bare minimmum food (vegetarian food, everyone eats together, no descrimination) , lot of excercising. (Yoga and lot of drill excercises but with Sanskrit touch). I remember Dr. Mishra once speaking, everyone should have defence training once. I have not been there. But OTC was also quite hard.

Another point .

This is the video of RSS when RSS chief had visited Bangalore couple of years ago. (There was another one recently). 15,000 participants and 25000 others. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKN3zu9K8A Do you hear anything riotic? (By the way, Bangalore is one of the peaceful cities, despite of RSS). From which angle it looks similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Uml9GKBhg ?

Lastly, whenever RSS has been involved in relief work during natural calamities, have you ever heard of it differentiating the victims on the religious basis? Compare it with flood relief work in Pakistan.

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@Ravi Part 4

“…The credit for history of the Congress belongs to the institution itself and not the individuals that made it, …… Likewise, present day RSS’s members cannot divorce themselves from its history, reason for its foundation, etc…. Brand values are an extremely durable reality….”

Strongly disagree. My ears are already saturated with Rahul Gandhi. (As if, he and his mother fought and brought independence to this country). Here I am, shouldering the blame for Gandhi’s murder, Manu Smriti, atrocity over Dalit, Jain….have I left any?

“…Riots are a tactic and often communal riots often have secular motives mixed in with them. I highly recommend that you read Martha Nussbaum on this..”
Once you quoted this piece from Martha Nussbaum’s book and stated it was from Modi’s speach.
” …We have untied the penises which were tied till now
without castor oil in the arse we have made them cry. ..”
Finally it was concluded that it was not Modi’s speach, but a writing on a pomphlate
(RSS or Bhajrangdal). I have been brought up in RSS culture. I can confidently say, they don’t use sexual terms, even in pomphlates. Then it occured to me, it must have been words like, “Hazaro saalonse hinduvonka pourush jo supth tha, ab jaagrit ho chuoka hain..” These kind of of words of very familiar to us. It was a mindless translation, which confuses valour with penise. You know, I don’t rate her high. At the same time, I respect your right to choose.
Some of the incidents specially with women which I read in Gujarat just shook me. (Some of them have been disproven too). It is difficult to believe any human being could do this. But riots gets the devil inside the man out. I agree, some RSS people have been involved in riots. But liberals speak RSS staged the whole riot. I have a problem with this allegation. Honestly it is difficult for me to believe, a person who is trained in RSS for years could do heinous things on women as RSS treats women with highest regard whichever religion she belongs to. I have maintained earlier, people like Varun Gandhi speaks with such aggression that regular RSS like Vajpayee, could never do. Aggression is more to do with a personality.

“..Essential philosophy of the RSS is based upon Italian Fascism so is the uniform of Khaki Nikkar, White shirt and Black topi. The uniform is the external manifestation of this largely discredited and grossly unsuitable political ideology. Bermuda’s are worn voluntarily …”
By the way, this uniform is called Gana Vesh, even these are worn voluntarily. (Vinay Cheddiwala sounds like rich Parsi name). There is scope for improvement or modification in its ideology (as what it defines as Hindutva, is it ‘Bharatiyata’ /hindustani), but does not mean whole idea needs to be discredited.

“Hindu Fanatic of the N. R. Godse kind …. Killer of Taseer – Mumtaz Qadri are to be developed ”
Compare the kind of of reaction (disbelief) which Godse (for that matter Swami Aseemananda) got and compare it to the jubiliant mood of killing of Taseer. Does both the reactions look similar? If their action define their respective organisation, then how come the reactions which are supposed to have stemmed from the similar actions be so different?

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@Manohar,

In your reply to Ishwar (re: allegations against RSS) you said, “…Frankly, It is not possible to go through each of the reports running into thousands of pages.I got the list from a source . ..The Wikipedia only gives the list of the reports – it is no reflection on the contents of the reports itself. I stand by my post. …”

So in realility, you have made an accusation by copypasting a paragraph from Wiki and have thrown the ball to my court to prove or disprove it. Well, I have tried within my limitations to compile this post. I have only searched the internet sources available, my answers are based on that.

1> Jaganmohan Reddy report on the Ahmedabad riots 1969
Can you please go through this link
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WnvoVvSIksgC&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=ahmedabad+riot+1969+rss&source=bl&ots=U6I670Iv8Z&sig=IUAVXvElE_wNg_RuHwuEhFHJLi8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cBIST_34OIaj8QP0trzzAw&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=ahmedabad%20riot%201969%20rss&f=false
Gujarat riots starts from page 184. Has RSS been mentioned anywhere in page 185? How come, all the organisations he mentioned are left out and the the organisation he never referred to props up in wiki? He lists what triggered the riots he in page 191 to 194. Can RSS be blamed for everything that happened?

2>D.P. Madon report on the Bhiwandi riots in 1970
http://www.sabrang.com/srikrish/annexure.htm
Surely, an incident triggered by Hindu miscreants. RSS connections with this riot
(according to report, which comes at the bottom 103.149 ), is that ” .. majority of the
leaders and workers of the Rashtriya Utsav Mandal belonged to the Jan Sangh or were pro–Jan Sangh …” It does not mention RSS swayam sevaks. But I am not aware, how Jan Sangh and RSS have responded to these riots. If they have not condemned these workers, then I would blame RSS for it (as it used to support Jan Sangh), even if it is not directly involved.

This incident also indicates how seeds were thrown alianating Shivaji from
Muslims (which Mahesh earlier mentioned). Muslims were intentionally kept away from Utsav Mandal. But Muslim’s response could have been better. They should have organised their own Shivaji Jayanti and proved to Shivsena and Utsav Mandal, Shivaji is not their ‘baap ka jaagir’. Instead, by embracing Afzal Khan to give takkar to sena, they got trapped.

3> Tellichery riot: I could not find any authentic reports. While going through this book, “Competition and Ethnic Riots in India” – By Steven I. Wilkinson
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tLpRFbLSxvAC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=tellicherry+muslim+league+riot&source=bl&ots=8fKrR7rXSY&sig=mLIqwTdPIuOF3bIQRVU_JCnNjto&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wogLT5i2CMr28gOOs7nOBQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tellicherry%20muslim%20league%20riot&f=false
I realised, no one was killed in riot and one police officer was suspended of ignoring his work. If that so, I would call it a disturbance rather than a riot. Few more lines from that article from page 188, “….If anything, successive LDF and UDF governments have at times been accused of doing too much in order to retain Muslim political support, and we can point to several instances where Muslim attacks on Hindus have been met with only a weak administrative response. In 1983 UDF chief minister K Karunakaran ordered the police to withdraw from the capital city of Trivendram just before Muslim organisations organised a demonstration that led to large scale looting…” But, we don’t hear people like Teesta shouting anywhere.

4> Jamshedpur
What RSS chief has spoken was, what has been said in this blog hundreds of times. Saudi does not give rights to minorities where as it is expected from India. But did his speach triggered the riots?
While http://www.hvk.org/articles/1098/0068.html speaks from right wing angle,
http://archive.cscs.res.in/MediaArchive/clippings.nsf/(docid)/351CA376B596F17F6525694200313BD0
speaks neutrally. Both clearly say, it was the act of minority.
While reading about the riots, story of lecturer Zaki Anwar just moved me (It does not matter, the person who killed him was Hindu or Muslim, he was one fundamentalist.) India still has a long way to go.

5>Kanyakumari Riots:
http://www.ibiblio.org/ahkitj/wscfap/arms1974/Book%20Series/TheImageOfGodIM/IOGIM-hinduchristian.htm
Background in page 59. Riots covered in 61. How much of it is manufactured by RSS?

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@Manohar (contd.)

In the riots, no one connects Muslim goondas with Cong or Muslim League. However if is a Hindu Goonda, then he must belong to or linked with RSS. Whoever be the Hindu miscreants are, call them as the wing of RSS and blame RSS for that. It includes Jan Sangh, Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti (in Gujarat), Dimna Akhara (Jamshedpur), VHP and BhajrangDal. Latest addition is Ram Sene.

Earlier RamSene has gone and vandalised Pubs by dragging women out. About them being RSS wing, this is what RSS spoke about them.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pc-says-ram-sene-crossed-limits-rss-favours-ban/421142/2
By the way, the man speaking here is a retired proffessor of a prestegious Engineering college, who was known for his honesty; got stabbed by a student while preventing copying in 70s-80s. Remained bachelor throught and stood for the values he believed in. Used to be the only BJP member in upper house getting elected from graduate voters. Such guys are nobody in today’s BJP. They have got sandwiched between greedy Yeddy/Reddy and Ramsene goondas. I wish people like him to write an honest biography once. It might open the eyes of some youngsters who are ready to live and die for their ideologies (be it naxalism or jihad). Like Pitamah Bhishm, these people’s loyalty towards their organisation do not let them speak anything against it. A person sacrificing his entire youth towards an ideology/ideal kingdom, realising at the end that an ideal state is unobtainable.

My post is not to say, RSS is totally innocent. There are rotten apples in every
organisation. But in a country where deep insecurities exist between two communities which are unaddressed for centuries, which just needs some reason for riots to flare up, putting all the blame on one organisation (as if riots have never happened without it or before it) is oversimplification.

People like Teesta Selvad, pick few lines in every report and make a nice garland
like this. http://www.hindu.com/2000/02/20/stories/1320001b.htm Then it becomes a bible for Seculars and Liberals. Type any of the above riot in google, only thing we find are these biblical texts of her article. But nobody bothers to explain this.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/NGOs-Teesta-spiced-up-Gujarat-riot-incidents-SIT/articleshow/4396986.cms

Another question to you. Ram Sene hoisted the flag in Jan 1st. But the plot was uncovered only by 12th. Till then, it must have been pressumed it is the act of Muslims, right? What happed during that time? Yes, there was some tire burning (by the same people), but no communal riot. People did not bother. Nor this news was of any great importance (even in local papers). But as soon as it was known that it was done by Hindu goondas, it becomes a national news. (But local people’s reaction is pretty much same). Why the difference in publicity? Was the other news not so glamorous?

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@Ravi,
Earlier we had discussed about Devdasi system. I suppose, we had agreed at few points. (The respect that Devdasis commanded in earlier society and their contribution towards Indian art). Though I could argue today’s Devdasi system is more to do with poverty than religion, (prostitution ratio in fact is higher is Muslim community, again not because of religion but due to poverty) I did not know what to say for one of your query. None of the other religions have approved this act, where as it is sanctioned under Hindu religion. This reply is towards that point.

I would like to draw your attention to one of the controversial decision of first allowing and later banning sex industry job advertisements in UK job centers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/04/banning-sex-industry-ads-jobcentres. Those who are pro-ban have argued, they do not want their children/(daughters) who go out looking for jobs to come across such advertisements. Those who opposed the ban have argued, anyway job is not imposed. Burden on the tax payer gets lessened if one person claiming benefits takes up the job voluntarily and start paying tax. My intention is not to stand on any side. It was just to show, how civilized society still struggle to accept/admit the prostitution. Many a times, some inevitable things which can’t be prevented (can be anything, from diabetes to traffic jam) need to be accepted. Denial is an easier option. Acceptance needs boldness. Acceptance not necessarily is an endorsement.

Ancient Indian society (/Hindu) accepted these people in the society, in temples, called them Devadasis. Advantages were, it gave legitimacy to their profession and their children. Secondly, they could contribute to the society from the money they earned. Vinapoti and Shantavva were two such courtesans from Karnataka who are remembered for their generous donations. Vinapoti (7Th Century CE) gave generous charities to temples and is acknowledged in an inscription as soulmate mistress of Chalukya king Vijayaditya. Shantavve (probably 10th century CE) built a tank for the irrigation, which is Asia’s second largest irrigational tank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Sagara
People generally referred to it as Sulekere (‘Prostitute Lake”). But decades back, government brought in a “civilised name” called Shanti Sagara as it did not like the old name. But historians protested against it and said, it does not bring in the memory of the philanthropist lady as the previous one. Right now both the names are present.

Coming back to what is practiced currently. Negatives. Many a times a minor kid can be forced by parents (poverty being the reason), which needs to be stopped. (But this does not happen in Devadasi system alone. There needs to be strict laws against all child trafficking). Advantages over prostitution. Devdasi lives in the society, with family back up. Other lives in a kothi, which means greater mental stress. Devdasi’s children can have better upbringing than a regular prostitute’s kids, because of the social acceptance.

If somebody had asked me anything about Devadasi system two years ago, I would have answered it as a sh.it system, which is not in practice anymore. Today I would say, it is the most rational response a civic society could give to the world’s oldest profession. Thanks Ravi.

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National Interest
One Raja in jail, all of UPA in handcuffs
Shekhar Gupta

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-one-raja-in-jail-all-of-upa-in-handcuffs/908101/

Excerpt

For a society obsessed with anniversaries, it is a sobering reminder that this week marked an entire year of A. Raja being in custody. The 2G scandal has seen the UPA government in blundering retreat from one indefensible position to another, much in the fashion of our army against the Chinese in 1962. And if it hoped the two court judgments of this week would provide it some breathing space, it would be delusional. Because, the government may have managed to stay out of jail, in a manner of speaking, but it is caught in multiple wars, all with its own, very much in the way of an unfortunate human body being eaten up by some awful, auto-immune disease.

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Read on

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Vijay

Is the above article an obfuscation or not in your dictionary?

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Friends,

There is an article by Shobha De in the Sunday Times, on the age controversy of the army chief. I have had the pleasure of “replying” to her.

Pl. find time to read it:

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/stepping-out-of-line#comment-fc728d40750c498286d6a5a9eb7564e0

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~~`how defence purchases are DIFFERENT FROM TELECOM LICENCES ~~~
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Arre baba telecom licences were about proprity and following commercial norms.

Defence contracts are about getting the best for your country. In case the GOI had explained to the public and the media that the Americasn are willing to give the latest version of their planes along with requisite spares back up…. we all would have understood.

There is NO whiff of scandal if you are buying the best at competative prices, weven though you change the decison at the last minute.

Dont we all do it all the time?

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Vinay

You have been busy.

Many thanks for the posts, I will respond to each of your points as and when कश्म-कशे-जिंदगी permits me to.

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UK and my garden is under ONE FEET of snow. So there will be ample scope for blogging today.Well we have read a closet jehadi and a confirmed deobandi , in Zia Haq. Now I read a self declared RSS in Vinay THE VIRTUES OF DEBDASI.
Debdasi is NOOKIES for the priest in the temple.Full stop. Also IT WAS MOST POPULAR IN SOUTH.Never heard of debdasi system in Bengal. They needn’t they had an even vile system WIDOW BURNING, SATI.
Now the original sati in rajasthan had definite MERITS.This was HONOURABLE .To escape the brutal sexual enslavement by the marauders , they decided to self immolate. This got corrupted in Bengal and ONLY REASON this was FORCED was to usurp property. More after my breakfast

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Gopi and others.

Angioplasty of streams

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/angioplasty-of-streams/907948/

Nothing, not even opposing ideologies, could stop Suresh Khanapurkar and Amrish Patel from scripting a water revolution in one of Maharashtra’s most arid areas.

Khanapurkar, a retired geologist and a staunch RSS worker, and Amrish Patel, a local Congress MLC, worked together to bring 2,278 hectares of irrigation to about 35 of the 150-odd villages in Shirpur, a parched tribal block in Dhule district. That helped farmers grow two-three crops a year while earlier they could hardly grow one.

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I salute the two.

Read on

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Guys,

Next Yeär The Kingfisher Calendar Is Going to Be The Best Ever, Since Now They Don’t Have Money To Buy Even BIKINIS For Models.

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Anti-graft fight : RSS slams Anna for not acknowledging ‘role’ of its workers

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/anigraft-fight-rss-slams-anna-for-not-acknowledging-role-of-its-workers/908206/

The RSS today slammed Gandhian Anna Hazare for failing to acknowledge that its workers had played an “active role” in his nationwide crusade against corruption last year, though the Sangh itslef was not part of the civil society agitation.

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Read on.

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I have had personal occassion to interact with Arun Shourie.

he is not the orator politican but the brainy backroom boy. He by the way, donated part of his MPLAD fund to research in IIT as compared to many MPs who use it for “personal” growth.

Anybody with a knowledge of rudimentary politics owuld know that the dynasty hates him and so do the sycophants of the dynasty — like Aiyar, Digvinash and Co– ofr he persisted with investigation and broke the first story of corrption at hig level which the Congress always carried on with.

His searing indcitment of terrorism and fostering of it is unmantched. All of his articles and books are well researched and factual. You may not agree with them. BUT TO CALL HIM ISLAMOPHOBIC IS STUPID.

many mosques in India are built on temples. That is a fact. In case Shourie points this out, it is not Islamophobia.

The Kutub Minar in Delhi is built right on the centre of a Jain mounment. Even the Delhi tourism brochure says that. And to visitors, the contrast of HIndu dancing temple girls and goddesses alongside the Qutub Minar built onto it is obvious. Others would call this an Islamophobia…

Is telling the truth– Islamophobia?

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Precisely..

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To all Arun Upasaks(worshippers)
Yet, in the same interview, Shourie invited the RSS to seize overt control of the party and casually, almost indifferently, flicked away the butchery of Muslims in Gujarat 2002. He spoke at great length about Prime Minister Vajpayee’s anguish and dilemma over Gujarat and concluded, “Frankly, I must say, I was more affected by Atalji’s pain than by what had happened in Gujarat. Maybe this is my inhumanity or something. I can’t claim that I was that great liberal

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Vinay

I will respond to your posts on a topic by topic basis.

DEVDASI AS A SANCTIFIED PRACTICE

1. My brining DAVDASI into blog discussions is based upon two main objectives.

1.1 In this blog there are people who repeatedly beat the 8.5% growth drum up to cacophonous levels of volumes, They totally ignore to mention that for a very very very large number of Indian’s, – Hindus and Muslims alike this growth rate – impressive as it is – has brought no material difference to their mundane and poor lives. Continuation of ancient Devdasi tradition is merely an example of the impotence of this growth beyond DPS/St Columbian class of Indian’s. How and why Devdasi tradition developed is not in dispute neither is its social value. However, in the 21st Century India will be judged not just by the impressive growth rates, but by how it treats the most vulnerable elements among its society. Poor women are the kasauti upon which Hinduism will be finally judged.

1.2 Unbelievably crass and insulting sentiments against Islam are frequently projected here in order to show that religion in a significant bad light. A religion that is followed by 1.5 billion people covering half the globe. These people ignore un-savoury elements – such as Devdasi and Child-marriage, often sighting “much improvements” have been made. “Oh you are here with an anti-Hindu agenda”, as if I invented Devdasi and Child marriage traditions. It is true that rapid urbanisation and secular education is toxic to these traditions and is contributing to their erosion. But one cannot say that religious ENLIGHTENMENT among Hindu priests is accelerating that process. It most certainly is not
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1.3 I do not see any relevance of your UK case study here at all, beyond you trying to associate me to the general situation in the UK, just as I am doing to you by making you a part of the collective responsibility of all that Hinduism permits to happen in India society. That as it may be, I will address the point. Prostitution is illegal in the UK and it remains so. So the question of Job advertisements for such jobs does not exist. Individual prostitutes do post cards in phone booths (not many of which now survive) advertising their services. These are tolerated by the society but are not sanctified by the church. Though Bible does have something to say about how the prostitutes should be treated. It does not recommend that priests exploit them for their own as well as the pleasure of their friends. In the UK, mothers do not willingly donate their daughters to an institution, which they know in advance would sexually exploit them. They do do that in India. Most English prostitutes are also substance abusers, or have been abused by family members and neighbours, including some stupid Muslim youths who maintain double standards and exploit poor white girls and leading them into prostitution. Your defence of this inhuman tradition is noted. The English society does not deny the existence of prostitution, it merely refuses to legalise it, unlike in Holland where it is a legal registered trade.

1.4 Poverty is not unique to India, but the way Hinduism deals with it is unique to India.

Finally, I do not care what Islam does or does not. I am not in a race either with Islam or with Pakistan, though many here feel as if they are. Good luck to them.

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This a joke to dethrone kpnkan ex ban manage er,
BEFORE MARRIAGE(after agreeing to get nmarried))
BOY: At least you have agreed ,I could not take it any longer!
GIRL Are you going to leave me
BOY, Definitely Not!, Dont ever think about it
GIRL Do you love me
BOY Definitely , …………..throughout my life
GIRL.Would you cheat on me?
BOY Nah!!! How could this come to your head
GIRL Would you play with my hair
BOY Definitely!!! whenever I get the chance…….
GIRL Will you ever hurt me ?
BOY Are you mad , I am not that kind of person
GIRL Can I trust you
BOY Yeah!
GIRL Darling!!!
(For conversation AFTER THE MARRIAGE , READ BOTTOM UP)

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~~ VIJAY KUMAR GETS UP ~~~~ after the sucker punch !! ~~~~~
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Thanks Prabhat ! !

You supposedly delivered a sucker punch…. Well I did not realise that it was a sucker punch, till someone said it was. !!!

But let me make things a bit more clear to get at what I was trying to explain– since you did try a diversionary tactic. That life always gives us new opportunities and in case you are trying for perfection, it is necessary to be flexible. In case India wanted the best, the brueaucratic tender clauses should not have been a barrier for our defence purchases..

Now here are two sitautions. On what I would have done and what the smarter guy did.

SCENE 1: An apple falls on a lonely unmarried guy in rural England.

Vijay Kumar would have just said… wahe guru… thank you for the apple and eaten it.

The smarter guy called Isaac Newton developed his theories on gravity…

SCENE 2: A thoroughly engrossed scientist is developing a cultre in a petri dish in London. By accident tthe lab assistant keeps the window open leading to “pollution” of the original program

Vijay Kumar, that is me, would have just pulled the lab asistants ears, then realised that he too is human and taken him out for the beer.

The smarter guy called Fleming, used this as an opportunity and discovered penicillin.

And penicillin is one big reason why many of us are alive today..

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I knwo you are going to take a crack and say that “Are defence purchases like discovering gravity or penicillin?”

Well I hope you have the insight to see the bigger picture that in life, business, science and Government– you need to have the vision to think bigger.

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Vinay

I would respond to your post addressed to me earlier today re:RSS in the new blog that would be uploaded tomorrow by Vinod Sharma, it would save you the trouble of navigating back to old blog(s).

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Vinay

Topic number two:

The RSS

It is absolutely true that I often – provocatively – compare the RSS with LeT. However, I have never made such detailed comparisons, as you have. My rationale is as follows:

LeT – is essentially a socially conservative RELIGIOUS organisation which uses POLITICAL means to progress its religious goals.

RSS – is a conservative POLITICAL organisation, which uses RELIGIOUS means to progress its political goals.

Both parties are ultra conservative who wish to regress their respective societies to an imagined utopia where the OTHERS did not exist. Both parties deal with incendiary mixture of Religion and Politics, which IMO is dangerous.

Let;- pursues and active anti-India (Hindu) policy, whist the RSS is deep down an anti-Islam organisation whose first priority is to further reduce the status of Indian Muslims, to little more that disenfranchised minority, living in India at the beck and call of their Hindu Masters.

Madrassa’s – LeT did not create Madrassa’s, it merely high jacked them and tried to mould them into an institution which serves its Religopolitical objectives. Madrassas in the past were not a danger to their society. I do not dis-agree with you in so far as the role of Madrassa in keeping the Muslim society backwards. All I am saying is that LeT did not create them it just appropriated them.

RSS – On other hand did not have a net-work of Madrassa type of organisations that it could have high-jacked, so it created a net-work of Shakhas (where Sanskrit is the norm) to serve its Politicoreligious objectives. These shakhas are little more that brain washing units where imagined Hindu/Bhartiya values are taught. These are then underpinned with equally imaginative history of India.

When any natural calamities strike, either India or Pakistan, then Let and RSS are there trying to support their respective societies. These are not selfless acts; they are carefully selected to act as image building activities and to form the basis for future recruitment.

Both organisations wish to perform the role of King-makers in their respective spheres of influence, without ever having fought an election.

HISTORY – Both organisations are actively involved in tilting the history of their countries to the right. Not sure which school you went to, but in the Air Force Central School, Race Course, my History teacher never ever let us forget the debt we owed to Bhagat Singh, Raj Guru, Sukhdev, Sunhash Chandra Bose, etc. Bal, Pal, and SVBP were our heros. Mine was not a right-wing school, far from it. I studied Sanskrit until class nine and 40 years after living in England, I can still write decent Hindi. I never ever felt as if the History I was taught short changed our Indian Heros.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind that the RSS/LeT combo are press ganging history to serve their political objectives. This is not to say that some correction in our historical biases is not necessary, it is, but wholesale re-writing is a political rather than pedagogical act.

RIOTS: Without a shadow of doubt many political analysts, as well as philosophers, have long concluded that the RSS uses communal riots for consolidating its Hindu Right Vote Bank. Just like the Congress uses reservations/etc. for the consolidation of its minority and Muslim Vote Banks. In the grand scheme of things this is a zero sum game. Ever thought why these adversaries not swap their vote banks. In other words why is it that the RSS does not have Muslim appeasing policies and Congress adopts a Hindu Right appeasing agenda. The answer lies in the basic make-up of these parties. One is liberal and the other conservative.

That is also the reason why in 1940s Congress declined overtures made by RSS to form a political alliance.

Your video is interesting. There are 100’s of such videos showing Hitler addressing Nazi youth. They also do not come across riotous, more like ultra-nationalists. Riots are a stealth policy not discussed in front of cameras.

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Shan-

You are right about the republicans’ penchant of defence spending. They consider all “social” spending bad, but defence spending is noble and sacred!!

But I believe things are changing. Tea Party, their aggressive grass roots movement, apparently is for cutting all govt spending including defence.

Hopefully our US based bloggers like Rajeev can elaborate.

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~~ THIS BLOG, THREE PEGS OF WHISKY & hardcore SCIENCE ~~~~
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Since it is a new day and probably my last posting of the night, let me make an honest confession. That this blog is addictive and keeps me glued onto a research program of which I am a small part. On how we could use the structural dynamics of the human skeletel system to make better machines.

So with one eye on the window of this blog, another on the human skelaton in another website and the discovery channel on on my TV , I have enough material to keep my brain racing. And of course the bottle of teachers on my table…

My weighing machine tells me that I need to restrict my consumption of good ol alcohol to about once a week … and which I have done…

Am I closer to filing a report of some success after this long lazy Sunday? not really…

It all goes one mm by one millimetre forward..

But tremendously good fun…

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Shan;
that was not an interview. Both Khushwant and Kuldeep nayyar had gone on to call on him.
The words you are ascribing to Arun were never uttered by any one.

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check mate
Shekhar Gupta: And that call would have been to do what?

Arun Shourie: That Modi should resign. Immediately after we came back we had to go to the meeting of the national executive in Goa and I was told you must be on the flight. I said, ‘No, that is not right. Only Advaniji and he (Vajpayee) should be there. They should thrash it out and finish it. Whatever they decide, whether Modi stays or go’. And frankly, I must say, I was more affected by Atalji’s pain than by what had happened in Gujarat. Maybe this is my inhumanity or something. I can’t claim that I was that great liberal.
The Indian Express : Wed Aug 26 2009, 02:24 hrs

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@Ravi & Manohar,

Sati: I did not compare it with any other religion. Just said, prostitution occurs in every religion. (Parents abusing children is again another different topic). I would take earlier Indian society for the word “Hindu” and sanctioning to me is “legalising”. Can you tell me what is the difference between “Hinduism sanctions Devadasi” differs from “prostitution is a legal registered trade in Holland”.

RSS: Unless backed by substantiate evidences, I would consider it as your opinions rather than facts. First comparison with LeT, now Nazi. But still Muslims survive and thrive in India unlike Jews under Hitler.

I had not heard of Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti, Dimna Akhara before reading about these riots. I do not consider Bhajrang Dal & Ram Sene as part of RSS. If I am correct, Bhajrang Dal’s association is with Shivsena and Ram Sene’s president has links with Bhajrangdal.

I have always opposed the “yatra business”, be it “rath yatra” or “tiranga yatra” in Lal Chowk. It was during rath yatra time that I got dissociated from RSS. Not because I predicted any riots. But was bored by the hype a Masjid/temple got over real problems of India. No. I don’t belong to liberals who believe Indian secularism died with the demolition of one Masjid and can be got only by rebuilding. I just felt, the problem could have been resolved better by dealing locally without the hype. I don’t find any problem with RSS interfering with BJP. My problem is, it does not step in for the right reason (like corruption), instead for unwanted reasons (like Advani’s comment on Jinnah).

Just wanted to clarify few, as I can’t debate every point at this time.

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