He made others feel like Dev Anand



So much has already been written about Dev Anand that I felt a trifle diffident adding my bit to it. But as a diehard fan, I couldn’t resist the urge to pay homage to the man who entertained three generations of Indians.

Once upon a time, he was the heartthrob of grannies, mummies and babies in families across India.

I felt as if I lost the money each time his film bombed at the box office in recent years. I remember him not just for the cinema he created at his prime but for moments shared one-on-one and as part of crowds jostling to get within a handshake’s distance from the legend. Most memorable among these was the one at the Press Club of India in the 1980s.

The meet-the-press was among the liveliest we’ve had at the club, a shade livelier even than the one with that king of tragedy, Dilip Kumar. My question to Dev Saab about Chetan and Vijay Anand was in the context of their divergent approaches to film making.

“You come from the same social background, parentage and cultural milieu. Yet the films you’ve made are so different. What’s the reason,” I probed.

Dev Saab replied without a pause: “Because, weee arrre, threee different temperaments.” The drawl and the grin made him look so much younger than his years. He said to another question about Sunil Dutt’s peace padyatra to Punjab that was then in the grip of the Khalistan movement: “I’m glad he has gone there, I wish he had stayed there.”

The answer drew mirth from the audience. Never the one to be politically incorrect, Dev Saab repaired the first perception with a gem from history: “Gandhiji stayed in Noakhali after the march. Didn’t that help?”

The short point here is that Dev Saab wasn’t merely a style icon. He was cerebral to the core — as was so tellingly brought out in the themes he explored in Guide, Des Pardes, Hare Rama Hare Krishna or Vijay Anand’s Tere Mere Sapne.

I met him last at a dinner hosted by a common friend in Delhi some months ago. As I struggled to reintroduce myself, unsure as I was whether he remembered me by name, he made my day with the comment: “Good to see you again. I haven’t forgotten you for I watch you so often on television….”

Such was his charm and sophistication that meeting Dev Saab was like being Dev Saab. There isn’t another like him in Indian cinema.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    Honestly, by writing your thoughts about Dev Anand, you have made us feel you are, after all, one of us. The very personal touch is what stands out in this brief essay about the man and actor, who was loved, adored, respected, coveted, honoured, worshipped and even deified. A BIG THANK U FOR THIS.

    Much has been written about Raj Kapoor’s keen interest and involvement in the music of his own productions. We all know RK films always had the value added content: their music.

    Not much has been written about Dev’s interest in the music of his films. If a comparison were to be made between the two houses of film makers, I dare say Dev’s pictures could match RK’s song for song, Guide being the crowning glory of his films’ music.

    If Mukesh sang most of RK’s songs, Hemant Kumar, Kishore Kumar and Rafi each sang dozens of memorable and loveable songs for Dev Anand.

    While he acted with every leading actress for two generations, I feel his films with Nutan and Madhubala were ethereal and most romantic.

    MAY HE ENJOY THE LIFE HEREAFTER AS HE ENJOYED IT HERE.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Thanx for your compliments. It took a departed Dev to reintroduce us. He’s around more now than he ever was. Do you remember that dialogue of his in Guide: “Rosy daulat thumhe mili sar mera ghum gaya, hosh aaye to jail mein.”

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  • Pankaj#1

    In my conservative family, any pretension to be stylist was a taboo. However, who can forget Devanand ka “Fugga.” the hair style, which was a rage amongst children and youngsters and may be amongst not so youngs. Any comparison amongst three greats, is not fair. Each one was a lord and master of his work.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    I agree with you, it is unfair to compare. In the fifties, many produce at least one pitcture with all the three greats in it. Andaz had Raj Kapoor and Dilip Kumar, which itself was a great achievement. Gemini Vasan wanted all the three in his picture ‘Insaaniyat’, but he could only get Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand to act in it. So he created a major role for a monkey as the third lead actor, naming it Gippy! The picture was a superhit!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Given that you and me belong to a different generation our anecdotes about “Dev Saab” differ vastly.
    For my generation the “fugga” hair style hardly ever mattered. We were rather comfortable and sought solace in Kishor Kumars and Md. Rafis being played as we sought a evening retreat in bars – even while during the daytime it was Govindas, Anil Kapurs and Chunky Pandeys for us. And yet Dev Anand steyed with us – as Raju Guide for some, as Jewel Thief for others.
    We were – and still are – quite a curious generation.
    For me Dev Anand was Guide and Guide was Dev Anand . That and the bit in “hum dono” when he sings “har fiqr ko dhuwwey me udaata chala gaya”. Outside those – IMHO , he just “performed” – perhaps exceptionally well.
    Guide was the film that brought out “elements” within him.
    The complete transformation from a petty Guide who has managed to hit gold mine in Waheeda Rahman to a person just out of jail and unsure of life ahead (excellently portrayed by S D Burman’s song “Waha Kaun Hai Teraa”) to a fasting saint when he says – bas mai hi mai hu , indeed portrays a wonderful journey.
    Not trying to be preachy here but somehow it all appeared as a wonderfully spiritual statement – further peppered by SDB’s “Alla megh de shyama megh de” . Nobody, not even Raj Kapur, could’ve made justice to this excellent role. It had to Dev Anand .
    May he RIP.
    To put it metaphorically – from Guide’s own lyrics :
    “kahate hai gyaani, duniya hai faani
    paani pe likhi likhaayi
    hai sabki dekhi, hai sabki jaani
    haath kisike naa aayi
    haath kisike naa aayi
    kuchh teraa naa meraa, kuchh teraa naa meraa,
    musaafir jaayegaa kahaan”

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    Ravi Reply:

    Best tribute yet by a long chalk.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    100% here. I was not trivialising Dev by mentioning Fugga.You had to be there, when it was a craze, like Sadhna cut for girls. Guide, an immortal film. Har fikr ko… amongst the best of songs, which will go to pyre with me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Beautifuly tribute written on Dev saab.

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  • Anonymous

    Shekhar Kapoor recalls one of the anecdote about Dev saab.

    “Dev Anand had put all his own money, almost everything he owned into Ishq Ishq Ishq. Money had no value to him, except to make films. On this evening he was talking calls from the press and the distributors. As always they started with excited congratulations and jubilations.”

    “His face sparked with excitement and joy. But over the next two hours, the tone changed. I could not hear what was being said, but I saw it on his face. His voice going softer. That spark that was Dev Anand dimming. In a couple of hours and a hundred calls later the reality overcame the dream. The film was a disaster on the box office.”

    Dev Anand was visibly sad and reflective. But only for a moment. He excused himself to the suite bedroom for ten minutes and exclaimed after ten minutes, “Shekharonios, I just thought of a great plot for my next film!!”

    He used to say that I want die with my boots and true to his nature he was working till the end.

    What a man.

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  • Anonymous

    After a lot of heart burns and misses, Mallya was heard “praying” God.

    God:- “Bolo Vats, Kya Mangte hO?”

    Mallya:- “Hey Bhagwan” Kutch Aisa Chamatkaar Karo Ki Aeroplane Beer_Se Chalne Lage..!!:-)

    God: that I cannot grant, however, if you make one drink one too many, I can make him feel that he is flying, even while sitting on the bar stool!

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  • Pankaj#1

    Pakistan wants Uranium from Australia. why? it already has more nukes than India. It is also willing to use them as first option in case it starts losing conventional war. May be its clandestine export needs health inventory. What India gets, it must have it too, whether it needs it or not. What pakistan is looking for is respect in International arena,while its actions are against all civilized norms. Respect it can not get with its present actions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, first on Dev Anand- what a cheerful person, what a smile; who can forget him and Waheeda Rehman in Guide..

    Pankaj, Pakistan “demands” uranium from Australia — they basically said that Australia should sell/give Uranium to them if Australia is selling to India.. as a divine rule…as a must

    That is called audacity. It has worked for them before.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is that not what the essential core of the issue is???

    I have said this a number of times before, that key to understanding Pakistan is this “race” it is in with India. This is a mistaken belief, but none the less it is their belief. An important element of this belief is, how can these Hindu’s progress so well, did we not rule over them for centuries. They are living on past glories, which will sustain them for so long and then no more. To secure their future they have to join the modern world, which their feudal system is preventing them from doing.

    Since it lost the race decades ago, on every measure that is possible, it now has embarked on a crusade which says, if I can not win the race, I am going to spoil it for you.

    In this venture China finds it as a willing stooge which will do its bidding for it. Even this strategy is not going to work. Asking US for a nuclear deal similar to the one India secured and Uranium supplies fro Australia are just manifestations of this attitude.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    Pakistan appears to be seeking a parity of treatment as NPT non-signatory . Nuclear Industry Economics might actually be force Australia into selling Uranium to Pakistan.
    So much for the “Nukes”.
    BTW, I am curious how is Power situation (demand vs. supply) panning out in Pakistan . Any serious undercurrents of solar energy thoughts running there ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh welcome back

    Solar energy in Pakistan – none that I am aware of

    In UK Solar energy pay back periods are so long that the uptake is quite slow.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You meant from the investment perspective ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Yes, not by the Government or R&D, but adaptation by households.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My last question was targetted to Usman.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Yes, it is economics. Khudi ko kar buland itna….

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes Gopi;
    street thugs have this propensity to treat others with disdain and ” demanding” things as birth right. Underworld works like that. In case of pakistan, it uses threat of imploding. Exploding is for India only. I read some where in these posts that if America attacks us (Pakistan), we will attack India(???). what a logic

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    Anonymous Reply:

    O common! Dr Pankaj!!!!!!!! Not at least you!

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Usman;
    Did I say some thing wrong? Please correct me. I am a game here. I too had a strong Lahore connections, so I am not all that ” Gair”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Australia shouldn’t be supplying uranium to any country. For so long after 1998 that it has implemented economic sanctions on Pakistan its duplicity on Australia’s part to sell it to any country. Be it India or China.

    @Dr Pankaj,
    Please share the link where Pakistan has demanded uranium from Australia? Haven’t made headlines yet over here.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Usman

    It is my understanding that the Indo-US Civil Nuclear Agreement allows Australia to sell Uranium to India for Civil Use.

    Since no such agreement exists for Pakistan, Australia is legally obliged not to sell it any Uranium.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Hereto, im concerned about Pakistan’s demand from Australia. Which i have concerns not from legal binding but from a point where Pakistan is itself capable of uranium extraction and purification seeing heavy deposits on its own side.

    Ravi Reply:

    Usman

    Good point.

    All that means is that the demand made by Pakistan was not in the hope that a ship load would soon arrive. Instead its objective was to focus the attention of the world that India was about to get this Uranium.

    In other words it was purley a political move.

    Anonymous Reply:

    May be. But I cant pen conclusion right now, till i dont hear from Pankaj it would be jumpy of me to reach any end.

    For peaceful purpose we had IPI and TAPI gas projects with India to meet energy demands for domestic and industrial needs. Indo-US nuclear deals may/may not be for peaceful purpose and could lead to defense purpose (which i assume Pankaj is implying). Under such case India’s import will be breach of law.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am not sure that same level of cynicism can be applied to nuclear treaties as it can be to other energy agreements.

    The world will be watching India very intently to ensure compliance with ALL the terms of agreement.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It sure had. Israel, Iran, North Korea are no exception to this. Yet … (u know what). :)

    Ravi Reply:

    Usman.

    Israel was allowed to develop nuclear weapons knowingly by US as a part of its foreign policy. With a view to make it feel secure while surrounded by hostile neighbours.

    Similarly North Korea was allowed the same, by China, in defiance of world vigilance and to ensure that South Korea was not able to establish its hegemony over its neighbour.

    As far as Iran is concerned that mainly needs to be judged in the context of Israel and Saudi, both of which would be disadvantaged should Iran succeed in its ambition.

    I guess you are looking for consistency in the US foreign policy, which as you know does not exist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have said it all by yourself, leaving nothing more for me to say. All i find is India and Israel are in same situation. :P Good Luck with your new relationship.

    Ravi Reply:

    Usman

    Thanks for an enjoyable discussion, free of lecturing and condescension, the hallmark of some other posts here.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Usman;
    Sorry friend, could not understand you well. Situation is that even with present stock pile of nukes, pakistan and India can inflict damages, which are unacceptable. When,I am discussing sale of uranium, it has no defence implications. It is psyche of present day rulers of Pakistan( Army), which seeks parity with India, without adhereing to International norms.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Usman;
    Thanks for your reply. It is a pleasure to speak to you. Sane voice from Pakistan is a rarity. I am not saying about pro india voices, just sane voices. As a soverign nation, Australia has every right to sell its asset to any nation, it feels comfortable with. Obviously, it does not feel comfortable, selling its uranium to Pakistan for reasons everybody knows. Was all the hullabaloo raised in International forum about clandestine sale of nuclear technology was BS? How you can compare pakistani record with Indian record?? Much to your surprise, I am well wisher of Pakistan, as I feel, they are brothers in humanity, who have gone astray. Be a civilized nation and you won,t find world wanting.
    OK about demanding stuff, it is tone and tenor, not only words, which determine the way a country is conducting its business.

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  • Anonymous

    A tribute to Old Ravian

    Dev Sahab left behind huge fans who grieve the loss of legendary hero and cherish the scenes of his romantic movies. His stylish appearance was no less than Gregory Peck of Hollywood however i would rank him above the later.

    It was somewhere in 80s when he and Khushwant Singh were invited over the ceremony of Government College Lahore that made him recalled his nostalgic feelings with the city from where he took off his filmy career. Shahnoor Studios may not be any more but Narowal, Lahore and Lakshami Chowk are still there to grieve the loss of legendary hero.

    Gata Rahay Mera Dil…

    Usman

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  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NJgNuLUmq5Itz8Qd3ypKBXkOQ8Uh#8a5a0 ashok

    Considering how Dev Anand’s films fared at the box office, the columnist would be a poor man if he really lost money each time a film bombed.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashok;
    Obviously you are born somewhere in late eighties or early nineties. Devanand is being remembered for his contribution to Indian( world?) cinema and countless people he entertained, inspired and what not. Judging a person only on economic scale is primitive. Grow up and in the autumn of your life, consider whether you were successful or a failure in your life.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mahesh , let me take up the strands posted by you. Dev anand, Pakistan’s nuclear energy , and Solar energy.
    Dev Anand was a style icon . His tongue shaped collar shirts , his jewel thief hat , his slanted gait , his diction everything was unique. Guide was an incredibly sophisticated film , particularly the bit when Kishore sahu returns after abandoning waheeda , and raju guide’s insecurity , indian nari’s fixation with her sat phere husband, that KASHMAKASH, or the angst is amongst the greatest films of all time .NO WONDER NOBEL LAUREATTE PEARL BUCK WROTE THE SCREENPLAY.

    Regarding Pakistan with nuclear energy , there is none. THERE ARE NUKES, which they bartered with Korea to get the Missile technology,and made it an ISLAMIC PROJECT to be disseminated to Islamic Countries.
    My personal reading is PAKISTAN IS IN DEEP SHIT , a full scale war the US and Nato may see the dismemberment of pakistan AND PAKISTAN IS MAKING ALL THE WRONG MOVES.

    Regarding Solar energy ,THERE AIN’T MUCH SUN SHINING IN UK, IT IS GREY SKY MOST OF THE YEAR.
    however govt used to give huge subsidy around 2000 pounds in the 100000 pounds cost. It takes around 10yrs to recover the money , you can use WIND TURBINES in your back garden and sell the electricity by hooking up into the grid.
    SPAIN IS THE COUNTRY WHICH GENERATES MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SOLAR ENERGY.
    How about India , don’t hear a lot . USA is taking up in a big way

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi Said:

    Usman

    Thanks for an enjoyable discussion, free of lecturing and condescension, the hallmark of some other posts here
    ——-

    @Ravi,
    A pleasure indeed to be in discussion with you. Hope we’ll continue like this in future.

    @Dr Pankaj/Mahesh
    Im deadly feeling sleepy. Will get back to you tomorrow.

    @Dr Pankaj
    Provide reference to the link if it is different from the one Manohar has provided.

    Good Night.

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  • Anonymous

    Guide was the pinnacle of Dev Anand’s career as an actor and as a producer. It would definitely be in my list top ten Hindi films of all time out of the films I have seen. It was one of those faultless films with superlative music – perhaps S D Burman’s best too. Then there was Waheeda Rehman – what an actress and a beauty. It is one of the films I do not mind watching over and over again.

    Some of the other films I remember and liked were Taxi Driver, Paitia, Love Marriage, Amar Deep, Tere Ghar Ke Samne, Jab Pyar Kisise Hota Hai, Asli Naqli, Kala Pani and Hum Dono (the song ‘abhi naa chhoD kar’ is arguably the best song lip-synced by him).

    Those were the days of B/W movies and surely he was one of a kind.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    With a reference to an earlier conversation we had.

    Abhi na jao chord kar, was written by Sahir.

    Guide songs were written by Shlaindar

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  • Anonymous

    sorry it ten thousand pounds to install solar panel

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  • Anonymous

    On Solar Energy –

    There is a thick of discussion happening in the US about alternate/renewable energy including solar. There was a congressional inquiry/hearing on a solar company, Solyandra, a few weeks ago while I was there. It seems the govt funded this company to the tune of $500MM; however it went bankrupt because China has cornered the market for solar panels. The right wing politicians there do not want anything to do with “green” energy, partly because it is unproven, partly because they do not believe in its promised miracles of growth and employment. They are for carbon exttraction; they want tech spend on improved extraction technologies.

    Obama may lose the 2012 election based on several factors; one of them being his total faith in the “green” energy shorting the extraction business. The public believes he does not have a clue about the energy problem.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    Is’nt the fact that Republicans do not believe in Global Warming, as well as the fact that their pay masters are in the OIL business, the reason why they do not support Green initiatives including Solar Panels.

    Conversely the Democrats believe in the Global Warming – thanks to Al Gore – and favour the renewable enregy sources.

    The lines are clearly drawn.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Shoeb,
    I have heard that it takes more energy to produce a solar panel than the energy it produces over its lifetime of about 20 odd years- is that true?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The cost of producing and distributing solar energy is at least 5 to 6 times the energy from the conventional present resources, on account of high capital costs.

    Perhaps nuclear energy and wind energy is the way forward.

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  • Anonymous

    @ShoebK ,perhaps you are not aware of GE’s colorado plant

    GE’s new factory will push out one solar panel every ten seconds
    read morewww.engadget.com/…/ges-new-factory-will-push-out-one-solar-pane

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  • Dr Mishra

    TAARE CHALEY, NAZAAREY CHALEY
    SANG SANG MEREY WOH SAAREY CHALEY

    Dev saheb, aap bhi chaley. Thank you for all those wonderful movies and those songs.
    Dev Anand died yesterday. On some full moon night, he will be stumbling on down a celestial hillside, singing and emoting, as only he can- khoya khoya chaand.

    http://www.youtube.com/​watch?v=oT9kqNvaUoQ

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    SOME DEATHS ARE NOT TRAGIC IF THE LIFE INVOLVED HAS BEEN FULLY LIVED. AND NO ONE COULD HAVE LIVED IT MORE FULLY THAN DEV BABU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9kqNvaUoQ
    Khoya khoya chand
    Dev Anand, SD Burman, Mohd Rafi

    pure undistilled magic
    proud to be Indian
    Mera bhaarat mahaan

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    Ravi Reply:

    You forgot Shelaindar, his contribution to this unforgettable song is just as much as that of others

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  • Pankaj#1

    Read a story in TOI, monkey arrested in pakistan for crossing border to India. Reminded me, a story, very strongly, by Manto, where a dog was killed, because it crossed border 2-3 times in 47. Paronia of heighest order.

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  • http://dealstop.co.uk Larry

    First time I have given a Vinod Sharma blog 5 stars. He’s written a glowing tribute to Dev Anand glossing over Dev ji’s antipathy towards the Congress Party. Well done

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  • Dr Mishra

    @ USMAN bhai
    welcome back, the song below- khoya khoya chaand- is dedicated to you and the few sane peace loving Pakistanis left.
    and here is another bit of magic for you and your family to enjoy-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBw_JSiNF9c&feature=related

    The movie is Jaal, and I know you are very young but I assure you this song will hold you spellbound-

    Lehron key hothon pey, dheema dheema raag hai
    Bheegi hawaon pey, thandi thandi aag hai
    Is haseen khwaab pey jalkey tu bhi dekh ley
    Zindagi key geet ki dhun badal key dekh ley…

    Sir, these lyrics are like pearl, set to music by SD Burman, movie by Guru Dutt, filmed on Dev Anand, Hemant Kumar;s voice- haunting- and this poetry by Sahir Ludhianvi- like pearls

    this Usman bhai is my India. Play this music in all the madarsas in Pakistan- radicalisation will vanish. Good night

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Minor mix up.
    1) khoya khoya chaand – is from Kala Bazaar (1960).

    2) The son in the video – yeh raat yeh chandni phir kahaan is from Jaal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hello Dr Mishra,

    Sir thanks a ton for your warm gratitude. Enjoyed this colorful song with full zeal despite its black and white appearance. Melody songs from Shankar Jaikishan, SD Burman, RD Burman are a delight and leaves an enchanting feeling that makes it ever green and when ever you turn around to listen more one finds it was specially sung for my feelings. Truly awesome. Music has played a role in bringing people closer, I’ll echo your sentiments louder so that this goes out to all the hawks existing on any side of the border.

    Yours Truly,
    Usman

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Usman

    Nice to know that SD Burman and RD Burman are heard across the border!

    SD Burman was a voice which never got full recognition in India. My father was a huge fan of his and had his LP’s. I spent my youth hearing those lilting songs whenever the records were played.

    Yes Sachin Deb Burman’s last contribution to India was that a certain Sachin Tendulkar was named after him….

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  • Anonymous

    Yeh hai India
    ——————

    Give degrees to failed SC-STs: Med varsity

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/UttarPradesh/Give-degrees-to-failed-SC-STs-Med-varsity/Article1-778337.aspx

    Excerpt

    The Chhatrapati Shahuji Maharaj Medical University in Lucknow has urged the Medical Council of India that graduation degrees be granted to SC and ST medical students, who have repeatedly failed to clear the final exams. A few of them have been trying since 1996.

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    AshishC Reply:

    When everything else fails, there is always the government..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Governments will keep on doing these gimmicks to get
    votes.

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    AshishC Reply:

    And, of course, now that the model code of conduct is imminent, there is a rush to push for reservations for Muslims (as part of the backward quota, mind you!).
    Tells me one thing for sure:
    -Congress has totally given up on OBC votes

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    it is not going to be a cake walk for the congress or any party to slash the OBC reservation and accommodate the Muslims within the 27% reservation.

    I would very much like the next BJP government, which will take power in 2012-13 to devise a Marshall plan for the all round development of the most backward Muslims within a time span of 25 years.

    This is the only way Muslims can be economically uplifted.

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    I fear it is simple calculation (from a very simple young man).
    Rahul Gandhi has to show improved performance in UP; or else, the real value of the Gandhi family to Congress will be called to question.
    Now, the improved performance can not simply be “better than Bihar”- however much the spin doctors may wish. It has to be better than the showing in the last Lok Sabha elections- where, the Congress surprised itself with 22 seats. Now, this is Vidhan Sabha elections- 22 LS seats should translate to 120 odd Vidhan Sabha seats- that would be “par” performance. So, Rahul Gandhi needs to get more than that. Except that, no one, even he can realistically expect half that number in a race which increasingly seems to be run between Mayawati and Mulayam.
    The Muslim reservation is another gambit; like the Ajit Singh one was. The Dalit votes are with Mayawati, the Brahmin votes- split between her, BJP and Congress, the trader community with BJP with some Thakur ones as well. The Muslims deserted Mulayam for Maya in the last elections- the Congress would like some of them back, at least.
    Who will vote for Congress?
    BJP in UP is disappointing- since Atalji’s retirement, there has been no galvanising force for the party in UP. People like Uma Bharati etc are more bad news.
    I do hope BJP comes to power- but, it has to quickly get its act together.

    Ravi Reply:

    Which of the two is more important.

    1. Separating Congress from the Dynasty – surgically if need be.

    2. BJP widening its agenda and therefore its appeal.

    What are the chances of either happening in the next decade.

    AshishC Reply:

    BJP needs to broaden its appeal; become more like the Tories or the Republicans..but, it has to appeal to the younger generation of voters on the basis of a well thought out agenda. There has to be grand vision and willingness to push that vision into implementable action plan.

    Ravi Reply:

    Amen

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    as usual, you are very perceptive. Rahul Gandhi managing even 80 seats will catapult him to 7 Race Course. But, the most optimistic congressie will not open his crossed fingers beyond the number of 65.

    I estimate, with inputs from friends who have their ears to the ground, that the BJP can muster around 120 seats, making it the party that will make or mar both Mulayam and Maya.

    While I do not want to contest your low opinion of the party, my contacts with a few foot soldiers make me do the above forecast.

    Ram Kare Aisa ho jaye.

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy, the trouble in that scenario is that neither Mulayam not Maya are exactly great partners.
    Also, the local leadership of BJP does not inspire.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    what I meant was that the BJP may become the pivot around which the next government in UP will be formed. It can become a partner of either Mayawati or Mulayam, depending on the numbers.

    If you know, Mulayam has always been rather soft in his attacks on the BJP, while Maywati has had no such constraints.

    And VP Singh’s precedent is always there for others of his persuasion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have a solution 125 % reservation…

    Anonymous Reply:

    The “reservation” situation in Tamil Nadu is the worst. Almost 99% seats are reserved for various “backward’ groups; leaving all the TamBrahsm out..and a lot of of these boys and girls get scholarship to Stanford, Dartmouth, etc.. They stay there and contribute to that economy! The politicians have screwed up the place royally. While a program has to be there to improve education of the “backward”, it really has to focus on early childhood education, primarty/high school education, and prepare these students to participate/get entry into professional colleges. Any govt concession in professional colleges have to be strictly based on economic/fnancial status. conditions

    AshishC Reply:

    You are right. This was the situation even 30 years back when I went to college..
    I am for affirmative action but this systematic hounding out of TamBrahms is a case apart; quite unique..

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the failed students should be asked to be the nuerosurgeons for the Chief Minister as a test case…

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  • Anonymous

    NEVER-SAY-DIE SPIRIT AT ITS DEADLY BEST:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    fantastic !

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow.

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Nice to know that Dev Anand would watch you on TV.

    I hope his heroines– Waheeda, Zeenat, Tina, Padmini too admire you as much ! :)

    Of course you could sing back, “ham hai rahi pyaar ke…”

    I wont say anything more. Or kapil Sibal would get me arrested for offensive content!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    We have few days left of posting our views. Very soon Mr. Sibal is going to
    put a stop to this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Facebook has agreed to the demands of union minister Kapil Sibal to screen content before they go live on the website. The social networking website has announced that it will hire a team of young men and women to censor content being posted by millions of users from India. The team will only allow “acceptable” content to be published online, all of which will be identified by a “Kapil Sibal likes this” sign below it.

    http://www.fakingnews.com/2011/12/all-facebook-posts-to-have-kapil-sibal-likes-it-by-default/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Varun Gandhi has spoken against Congress plans of censorship…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    They can start a Congress facebook. This will have faces of Motilal nehru on the first page and Jawhar in the middle and Rahul on the last page.

    All Congressis including those on this site are expected to prostrate before the computer after they log on !!!

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  • Anonymous

    5 stars for the blog. Like I always said… keep the Congress and Pakistan out of the subject… and Vinod Sharma is among our best columnists…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinod Sharma wil now, hopefully, realise that it is possible to write from the heart without looking over his shoulder as to who has taken down the link for “reporting to higher authorities”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    One of Dev Anand’s film’s was Chuppa Rustom. Vinod Sharma may turn out to be a Chuppa Rustom and suddenly one day leak out all the gory details of the COngress corruption saga… :)

    Maybe once he gets his Rajya Sabha seat he will suddenly get up, and then shame the COngressis like Digviansh, who try to make light of LeT by trying to drum up fake stories of Hindu terror behind 26/11. Imagine Vindo Sharma looking at Yuvraj and Digviansh and singing on the floor of the house

    “Dekho o deewano… thum yeh kaam na karo…
    Ram ka naam badnam na karo..
    Badnaam na karo…. “

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  • Anonymous

    I came across this three month old article on Mr. Kejriwal. It is a good read.

    http://www.caravanmagazine.in/Story.aspx?Storyid=1050&StoryStyle=FullStory

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  • Anonymous

    A PLEA FOR MASSIVE INVESTMENT IN SOLAR ENERGY IN INDIA.
    @Sheob one of the reason why Solyndra failed is
    After all, one reason for Solyndra’s demise was a huge drop in solar panel prices thanks to China’s state-subsidized manufacturers dumping junk panels on the market.
    @Ashish, the real cost in solar energy is NOT THE PANELS whose technology is leapfrogging and prices coming down exponentially. IT IS THE INVERTER COSTING 3000 POUNDS THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED EVERY 5-10 YRS.This should also come down with”ECONOMY OF SCALE”
    Now the advantages , Being an “ex” student of Electrical engineering who hated that subject , you should know there are pages after pages written with complex calculation for TRANSMISSION AND DELIVERY(T&D) losses.
    This is leaving aside FIFTY PERCENT THEFT THAT GOES ON AND DELHI IS WORLD BEATER IN THIS THEFT.
    Being an End User product NO OVERHEAD COST , no distribution cost , billing cost etc.
    SUNSHINE HOURS IS ONE THING IN WHICH INDIA BEATS CHINA HANDS DOWN.
    Lastly the green consideration which may not be that important.
    ALSO SOLAR ENERGY DOESN’T ONLY MEAN SOLAR PANELS.
    In France GIANT parabolic reflector focuse the sun rays to heat up a boiler to run a turbine.
    in SPAIN there is SOLAR FARM with TWENTY THOUSAND MASSIVE solar PANELS in a ARRAY hooked up to a transformer and then onto he grid.
    It produces enough to supply an ENTIRE CITY

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Here I agree with Shan. India should concentrate on solar energy, though costly, but as Shan said, no distribution cost, billing etc.Rich should start setting an example. A break through in this technology may come any time as world is working furiously on this technology.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Pankaj,
    there are other engineers on this blog; notably Shoeb and Vijay. Ask them this very simple question:
    the energy cost of producing a solar panel does not equal the total energy you get out of it over its lifespan. True or false?
    I am not even adding the cost of the battery (for storage); the inverter, for converting dc to ac etc. Solar photo-voltaic is little better than the “perpetual motion machine”.
    I am less familiar with solar thermal- but, the energy equation is less daunting than in photo-voltaic.
    By the way, only the rich can afford to “set an example” given the state of technology of photo-voltaic.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Well, I am not an engineer. As a lay person, it is the idea which appeals to me. Availability of sunlight, intense at some places, free at source etc. Out of sheer necessity, there will be a discovery/ invention, that is in the womb of future and my attempt was that this idea of solar energy, may not die out before that.
    This reminds me of solar cooker, which my family had used in my youth and food used to be cooked in few hours,(3?) as opposed to few minutes(30?). It used to be tasty food. Tribals and poor villagers in Rajasthan, with its denuded greenery have to travel miles, just to collect some twigs to cook meal.

  • Anonymous

    Dr Pankaj,

    Firstly, what i meant in my earlier post was Australia should not sell any uranium to any country who is not a signatory to NPT, CTBT irrespective of how different India and Pakistan are perceived internationally. What Pakistani High Commissioner has shown concerns is on this ‘duplicity’ as to why should Australia (who by all standards is a sovereign country) be willing to overrun the ban imposed on such countries made an exception for India only? This is element of concern for us and under any political motive i think it is fair and just.
    Last month’s Obama’s visit to Australia might have had some strings attached to this story. Just a wild guess.

    Secondly, my serious objection was India backing out from IPI gas pipeline project on US pressure and now resorting to go by TAPI. By all standards this couldn’t have been a brilliant start to mend relationships as it had the support and backing of Pak Army. ;) Even though this deal has some tight conditions for India yet it would be much beneficial to fulfill the appetite of India’s growing populace and industry needs as it carried least distrust element.

    Please share your views on this.

    Thanks,
    Usman

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @usman Choudhari, Not having a pipeline coming from Iran THROUGH PAKISTAN is one of the easiest decision to make . that will give pakistan chance to BLACKMAIL india , LIKE IT DOES NOW WITH NATO SUPPLY LINES.
    Pakistan needs to make a SIMPLE CHOICE , WILL RATIONALITY (read Science) dictate its society or ISLAM , once that has gone in favour of the former , THE REST WILL AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW SUIT.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    I believe TAPI transits through Pakistan as well, in that respect there is no differene between IPI and TAPI.

    The key difference is Afghanistan.

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    engrich Reply:

    in many field of science pakistan is ahead of india.islam is loved by poors.ruling class is running country on reason not on religion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    5cingulategyrus9,

    Had that been the case Pakistan would have objected to TAPI that includes India as well. On NATO supplies i doubt if its the same excuse, maybe you are missing vital aspects of the story.

    On Islam being the the nucleus of social-economic centre of policies I had previously debated on this forum. Unfortunately, it became victim of abuse and derogatory remarks. Anything Islamic is not appreciated on this forum. With due respect i would not discuss this issue on this blog.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Usman;
    After reading your post, I searched for editorial in Dawn, Daily Times and The News but in my present state I could not find that editorial. It clarly states that Australia should supply us Uranium so as to support civilian government, that International order is just to Pakistan. It also says that not doing this will give support to Jihadists or to some such things. This will not be good to International peace or so. So, Pakistan wants Australian Uranium, like India, other wise….That is the crux of the problem. World should go an extra mile to support Pakistan, otherwise….and you say, other nations should pay heed to this warning. Think yourself, does it work in your city/ mohall? support us or we will???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Pankaj,

    I differ with your interpretation, even though there is some element of truth in it but that “It also says that not doing this will give support to Jihadists or to some such things.” clearly doesn’t fit in this context and scenario. It was said two yrs back in response to US aid vis a vis Pakistan to fight the war against terrorism. Especially to dock militancy and take military action against the miscreants hiding on Pakistani side. That was the reason behind “…not doing this will give support to Jihadists or to some such things.” But still if you could hint the link of usage of this phrase in this context please do share the link.

    On the sale of uranium, Australia has already denied its sale for Pakistan and has continued the ban because Pakistan is non signatory to international nuclear use/test treaties. This is even before Pakistan demanded and presented its agenda. My point is to highlight this discrepancy and clear cut non-obligation from Australian side. But then again every thing is fair internationally if someone has the backing of strong contender and not just how well a country is progressive or denounced for its repute.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Usman;
    Once again. why India should do any thing which it perceives against its National interest. We do not want to be subjected to Blackmail, which, any mercurial pakistani government, resort to.
    I feel, I am a bit more forthright here. For a young person like you, I am willing to take you step by step to realize that world does not work with threats and show off.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mahesh,
    No nothing on solar energy projects, might be an expensive call. Overall experiencing serious ‘energy crisis’, just had few deals with China on cheap supply of electricity from coal/thermal process.

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  • Anonymous

    USMAN puttar, u touch my heart . If u really can appreciate b/w music from 1950, then there is hope for young generation yet. Bhaut khush keeta. You almost dont sound Pakistani, and before u get worked up and say I exagerate, read fantastic article by Abdul on Radicalisation of doctors, YES MEDICOS, in Pak Tea House.
    I have made comment there. Usman where u live, what yr profession?
    @ ashish, lovely one liner “when all else fails, there is always the govt”
    @mishraji, sir, very touching lines “as Dev saab stumbles down some celestial hillside on a full moon light, singing and emoting as only he can, khoya khoya chaand.”
    Genuine tears in my eyes Sirji, dont want to work today, I am drunk on lyrics
    USMAN PUTTAR, WE INDIANS ARE LIKE THAT ONLY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ballay ballay! shawa shawa! sardarr ji, tussi te baija baija krati. Tussi se buhat buhat ji khush keeta. Thanks for your kind choice of words and admiration sir ji.

    I reside in Lahore and by profession I am software engineer working in a private company.

    Hope some day we may cross each others life and have a fine chit chat.

    Usman

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  • Anonymous

    TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE LADY IN THE PHOTO.

    SHE IS THE ONE OF THE RICHEST INDIANS AND HAS FANS ALL OVER THE WORLD

    CAN YOU IDENTIFY HER?

    FOR ANSWER, LOOK FOR MY NEXT POST.

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  • Anonymous

    It is none other than Sachin the mega star of the cricket firmament!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The linke between Dev Anand and Sachin…

    Dev’s favourite musician— > Sachin Deb Burman

    Tendulkar’s father’s favourite— ?
    Sachin Deb

    So Sachin got his name…. !!!

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  • Anonymous

    Gujarat is investing heavily in solar energy.

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    engrich Reply:

    solar energy is most uneconomical energy.gujrati diaspora must be paying modi heavily.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    AFAIK, the maximum number of Solar Energy projects are in the state of Rajasthan.

    IMO, Nuclear Energy and Wind Energy is the way forward.

    Another source of electricity could be sea tides. I remember reading about it then in the Reader’s Digest about the Rance tidal power plant built over a period of 6 years from 1960 to 1966 at La Rance (English Channel), France. It has 240 MW installed capacity. There are some more around the world.

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  • Anonymous

    @ravi you are correct , but that is the very reason India is not keen on that option either. i read somewhere India is thinking of a pipeline UNDER THE SEABED,in the arabian sea.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    US appears to have two objectives:

    1. Make life difficult for Iran and that means IPI is not approved by it.

    2. It needs to give Afghanistan a role, and TAPI does that.

    The under the seabed would be seen as India favouring Iran.

    US will try and get guarantees (for what they are worth) from Pakistan.

    Pakistan is unlikely to be able to control non-state actors sabotaging the pipe line.

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  • Anonymous

    WHY BJP IS DOOMED IN COMING ELECTIONS

    The recent FDI in retail BJP for what is worth , HYPOCRITE , DOUBLESPEAK , oppertunist. Everybody is pointing to the BJP manifesto WHERE IT PROMISED 100% FDI in retail.Also the fact it is SLEEPING WITH CPM.
    If Congress can play its card right , that is MASSIVE PROPAGANDA AMONGST THE FARMERS THAT BJP IS THEIR ENEMY AND ONLY LOOK AFTER THE INTEREST OF DALAL OR MIDDLE MEN .The job will be welland truly done.
    A forewarning was seen in the Haryana election where congress won

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The BJP’s game plan is to stall the Parliament and oppose everything the Government proposes and then at the time of the elections tell the people – look this government did nothing, so vote for us.

    They have not come up with original or alternative policies for many years now. All they do is to react (negatively) to whatever the Government and others do.

    They do not seem to learn from their post misadventures. By opposing the Nuclear Deal – they paid a heavy price in the urban constituencies. Now opposing FDI in retail – they may again pay a heavier price.

    Sometimes I wonder if they have been afflicted with a death- wish.

    The y do not the realise that the Government (UPA) just before the next elections may come up with a another major policy initiative like NRGEGA or Loan waiver and then laugh away to the polling booths.

    The recent election results indicate that the voters do not give a damn to the corruption scams and scandals, knowing no political party is clean. What a waste of time and money by the original charioteer’s rath yatra against corruption.

    —————

    If the BJP is pathetic, the Congress is no better. It is one fiasco after another. The latest – the retreat re: the FDI in retail. By this one act, the Prime Minister has lost his authority and whatever goodwill he had, bowing to the likes of Mamta Bannerjee and his adversaries in the Congress Party itself. This is not the last one. One can be sure – Mamta Bannerjee (and the BJP and others will also join in) will be opposing most of the new policy initiatives – she has already indicated her opposition to the Pension Bill and the Land Acquisition Bill and god knows how many other bills that are in the pipeline. For her, coalition dharma is a one way street.

    She does not seem to realize that she is sending a wrong message to the potential investors that may be interested in projects in her own state (Poschimbonga or whatever). Shortsighted, anyone?

    It is best to call for early general election to let the people decide what do they want – this current state of affairs cannot go on.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Apart from Hinduatva, what else is in the list of BJP policies.

    Its strategy is to win on the strength of this one single strategy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Knowing them, Hindutva certainly – to keep its core constituency. Recall its blunder re: Varun Gandhi. The flip side is that it puts off a very large number of people, who are disgusted with the Congress Party. Moreover, the core constituency has certainly diminished in size.

    What other policies? Perhaps, their supporters here will be better placed to answer that – I have no idea.

    They also have some millstones around their neck and are reluctant or unwilling to get rid of them.

    Ravi Reply:

    My view is that if it is beneficiary in the long-run for the Congress party to be free of the Dynasty. Then it is equally if not more so for the BJP to be free of RSS.

    Once that happens, then the dynamics of Indian politics will change and the BJP will have a full manifesto of policies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Both are not going to happen.

    The first binds the disparate people under one family – otherwise there would be 20 or 30 Congress parties and clones.

    The second because the RSS is raison d’etre and the BJP is one of the front organisations for them to achieve their “goal” of establishing “Hindu Rashtra”‘.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some of the best governed states in India are where bjp is ruling party or in alliance.Some of the worst governed states are where Congress is ruling party or Alliance partner.This does not mean that BJP is perfect.However they are at the moment far ahead of Congress in matter of Governance.They only have a very bad press. There is a reason behind this bad press, the type of people who have dominated Press in India and certain inability of BJP in managing them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    the congressie troll here and his jihadi comrade-in-arms are both clutching at straws.

    You may recall that the whole of 2010 was the year of the scams. The 2G, CWG and Adarsh scams came in quick succession one after the other and the congress party found its mass base slipping fast and also found several of its coalition ministers in jail or on the way to the jail.

    2011 was and is Anna’s year. This is the year the party was hit by a huge asteroid called Anna Hazare and it is being repeatedly floored by Anna and the huge population of indioans who are fed up with this scam- ridden party. Corruption is their bane and the unwillingness to frame laws to tackle the corrupt is proving to be the mill-stone around its neck.

    An added worry is the sudden, secret illness of Sonia Gandhi, which has demoralised the trolls and the cadres alike.

    Now another scam, bigger than any previously known, is going to hit the party and its government the hardest. It is called NAREGA.

    THE GAME ID JUST UNFOLDING. WAIT AND WATCH!!!!!!!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    What are BJP policies, in these states.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Certain inability of BJP in managing them (the press)’.

    What happened to great and experienced journalists & media men like Tarun Vijay, Chandan Mitra, Kanchan Gupta, Seshadri Chari, etc.? Surely they can teach a thing or two to the BJP honchos how to manage the press in India.

  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ IS THE HINDUSTAN TIMES ~~ hedging its bets??? ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    While the Times Now channel has to bow before Sibal, Manish Tewari and co because of the 100 crore law suit, my favourite paper, the Hindustan times seems to be sensing that the Congress will be in the dustbins of history.

    With the introduction of Shishir Gupta’s and Arnab mitra’s blog it has started taking a stance closer to that of the BJP.

    Now is that a sign of changing winds???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    it looks like the congress party is in a hurry to find the nearest dustbin to fall into.

    Hindustan Times is showing belated wisdom and we should welcome it.

    The congressie trolls and the jihadis that always go hand in hand are a worried lot and we should appreciate it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    yes better late then never. This is a paper which once hosted Gandhi. It will eventually get back to a position of interest of India, rather than pampering a family…

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  • Ravi

    Manohar

    What is your view with regards to the PM coming under the Lokpal bill.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    First of all, I am against the creation of the institution of Lokpal. Conservative estimates say that it will staffed by 35000 people. What is the guarantee that all of them would as white as the snow?
    It will be a just another bureaucratic set-up, whose real benefits are doubtful, with ever increasing costs to the exchequer.

    As its creation is inevitable, I do not think the Prime Minister should be covered under the Lokpal institution at least as long as he/she is in office – once the person demits office, may be then. If during his tenure, the occupant is found to be indulging in corrupt practices – I would assume that the Parliament can take corrective action and seek the resignation.

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  • Anonymous

    TalibAnna at it again. Like his village, like India.
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    Sharad Pawar slap not wrong, says Anna Hazare

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sharad-Pawar-slap-not-wrong-says-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/11012889.cms

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    Ravi Reply:

    TalibAnna, oh I like that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not invent it. I picked it up from the net. That person had really went hammer and tongs at Anna.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have probably read only headline of this article and not the content.Content conveys different meaning. Anna has condemned Slapping .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow. On one hand he condemns it and on the other he says nothing wrong in doing so. Will real Anna Hazare stand up?

    I am not sure whether you are aware of the methods employed by him in his village to “straighten” people, who in his opinion had gone “astray”. Enough of “self appointed guardians and moral policemen”, we do not need them around. India is not Talibanstan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Anna did say more than that. He said he understood why the young man did that; he did not sanction/agree with that.

    The least of the problems what face Inda is the slapping of Pawar. I wish more do that. i wish the maoists kill some ministers instead of teh scjhool teachers and jawans. our democracy will be better; our elected reps will be responsive.
    Pawar is the mlost corriupt politician in the country; five thousanfd times worse than any of the congress or other parties.
    That we worry about the slapping of Pawar; and do not care about several things Anna mentioned – farmers’ suicide, charged ministers continuing stealing etc — is simplyt mind bogging

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Whatever be the merits or demerits of the politicians and others, violence is out.

    Sorry Gopi, do not agree. Anyone justifying violence to any degree only shows a Talibani mindset. Just not done. Violence of any sort has never solved any problems.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But what about two Central Ministers and the Leader of the Congress legislature party kicking , punching ,thrashing a SP worker who had been thrown on the ground , and police were already there taking action , in full view of the whole world. ? That SP worker was only waiving black flags . Not even a regret from anyone.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Equally wrong.

    Two things
    1) Two wrongs do not make a right.
    2) Me slamming a particular instance/event does not mean that I condone any other similar event by anyone else. I do not practice double standards and doublespeak like many of you do here day in and day out.

    Here is counter query. We agree that what the central ministers did was wrong. Now would you agree what Anna does in his village and also justifies violence is also wrong?

    I am waiting for an answer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is allowed, because, you see, the security of the future prime minister of India is involved. What is a few kicks and some punches? And what is the big song and dance people make if the fellow has a few bones broken?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    don’t you see through the game this congressie troll is playing?
    Pawar getting slapped once or repeatedly is least of the reasons worrying him.

    Sharad Pawar be damned, for all he cares.

    He is worried and extremely upset that Anna is rearing his head again, despite the congress all but crawling in front of him the last time he fasted.

    He is worried that the congress party will again put its foot in its mouth and commit harakiri in the matter of anti-graft bill. Already, indications are that the leadership is divided, Abhishek Manu Singhvi is daily changing his tune, the party is daily changing its stand, which even otherwise is extremely unclear and muddled.

    Gopi Thomas, samjha karo!

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  • engrich

    Anti NATO aid worker returns from Libya

    must watch on u tube

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  • Anonymous

    GOOD NEWS FOR ALL BLOGGERS HERE
    —–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–_–

    KAPIL SIBAL DOESN’T MIND ATTACKS ON RAHUL GANDHI AND/OR DIGVINASH SINGH
    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    HE WILL NOT CENSOR ABUSE DIRECTED AT THESE TWO MAHAAN NETAS
    —————————————————————————————————————–

    BUT, BEWARE, ANY ATTACK, CRITICISM, ABUSE OR JOKES ON MMS AND /OR SONIA GANDHI, AND YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF IN THE NEAREST POLICE LOCK UP.
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

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  • Anonymous

    Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh is a man of few words, but what he says, he believes in and once he gives his word, he sticks to it.

    At least that is what his bio data says and the party which he represents says so.

    Yet, the last two years have seen the negation of all these “image building” characterisations.

    1 he once said there is no scam in telecom, that the minister is innocent of corruption and that there is no loss to the public.

    2. He gave clean chits to Raja, Kani Moli, Kalmadi and whoever was accused of corruption.

    3. He has also said Chidambaram is clean, has had no hand in the 2G scam. In a few days time, we will find out.

    4. A few days ago, he said there is no going back on the FDI in retail. Today, his government went back several steps and allowed the opposition and even his own alliance parties to walk all over him.

    5. Now, NHRC says that there is a huge scam in the NAREGA disbursal of several thousands of crores of public funds. I am sure MMS will say there is no scam. But, the question he has to answer is whether Sonia Gandhi will feel the heat of the scam, because of her having earlier claimed that NAREGA is her brain child.

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  • Anonymous

    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ MORE BAD NEWS FROM PAKISTAN~~ Zardari going… going… gone???
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    Dawn news reports that Zardari may be resigning now… because fo a heart attack. Sad news for India for compared to Imran Khan, Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, the Gilani-Kiyani biryani and Qureshi, Zardari was still liberal and a comparitve dove.

    Of course the big question and answer game being:

    a) Given the state of Pakistan, any sane person in power will get a heart attack

    b) Or a bomb blast.

    But should we now be prepared for a new combination which will test India with insurgency???????

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    AshishC Reply:

    I wait with bated breath to see if Bilawal Sardari is annointed PM (in case Asif Zardari steps down).. if not, then in at least one respect, the Pakistanis would be better than us.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    C’mon… I think you should not try to demonise Anna. his is an anti corruption movement. Not a moral policing movement. Has he put in a condition that everyone should follow his lifestyle before they vote for the Lokpal?

    A big NOOOOOOO !

    This is like saying that just because Gandhiji believed in celibacy, Indians should forget his contribution to the freedom movement. Or just because Indiraji did not have college education, we should forget her contribution in the 71 war.

    I suggest you train your energy and guns on the immediate threat posed by Kapil Sibal and Digvinash Singh to curb personal expression of thought. The Congres is a party which had a “CHANDAL Chaukri” of Bansi Lal, VC Shukla, Reddy and Brahamchari, during the Emergency. Today you can easily replace the names with Chidambaram, Kapil Sibal, Digvinash Singh and Agnivesh.

    The old gang of four killed human rights and freedom then.

    The New gang of four will do it now.

    In the end only the Engrich types incoherent postings or the court poetry of toadies will be allowed to survive…

    I hope you are intelligent enough to fight the real villians… and not become one fo them… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A very good piece of “advice”. Give me a couple of years to “study and consider” it. Your waiting time starts now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Cmon… I was waiting for a more complete answer from u…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    So you are implying that the thought police and clampdown on our internet freedoms is not important. That we should now proudly join Iran, Saudia, China and Burma as the Congress wants us to, becasue itwill make the fair queen happy?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is your memory short? Go back to the previous two blogs and see my post about my views on censorship of books, films, media, etc.

    It equally applies to Kapil Sibal – I do not have to keep shouting from the rooftops to reiterate my views.

    We agree that Kapil Sibal’s move is not acceptable and IMO bound to fail. Now, what have you to say about Delhi University dropping A K Ramanujan’s essay – Three Hundred Ramayans from the History syllabus – allegedly after pressure from a right-wing fringe group backed by the RSS.

    Should I expect an answer?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course u will get an answer !

    Hinduism has the capacity to absorb dissent. however to teach this in colleges … is deliberatly hurting sentiments. There is a school of thought in this country which says, there is nothing like Hinduism, You can hear it from Ravi and Engrich on this blog and from say Jawed Naqvi in dawn.

    In this thesis it is important to demolish all beliefs of Hinduism as non existent in reality. So when the majority believes in one version of ramayana, this school of thought wants to put forward a thesis that Ramayan was a piece of fiction which could have been written in a different manner.

    Why did you not say that the university should also teach the alternative beliefs of Say Islam like Qadian, Ahemdiya, and give their version of Islam to the public?

    Let tht belief be there. But… to deliberately foster it in education is wrong.

    And yes, you critcism of Sibal’s fascist ways is feeble.

    Like Advani said, ” When asked to bend… the press crawled becasue fo the emergency.”

    I guess that is what your feeble riposte reflects.

    If you have strength. Say it loud. That kapil is a boor, Digvinash a communal rabble rouser,,, Antulay a thief and a rioter, .. and Congress a corrupt party which is scared that the Lokpal will strip many of its sources of income….

    Anonymous Reply:

    See new thread.

  • Anonymous

    The scene from a bank counter.
    A man walks in , wants to open an account. he is asked to provide his proof of identity, he does , his account is opened.
    A sardarji walks in .Says I am manmohan Singh , Prime Minister of India.
    The konkan manager asks for identity.
    He says I HAVE NONE
    The konkan manager says , Then you must be manmohan singh , here is your bank account . .

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  • Anonymous

    these two are FACTS not joke.
    A LONG BEARDED guy starting his in job in an IT company in Euston. He asks a white guy if there is any private space. The white guy points to the toilet.
    Next he asks an indian looking guy If he knows WHERE HE CAN FIND A COMPASS.
    The indian guy said not in this office .Then he asked why he was looking for a compass. The bearded guy said to look for the direction of Mecca.
    the next is a Mullah asking muslim women to avoid the sight of Cucumber and bannana lest IT PREVOKES SEXUAL THOUGHT AND IMAGERY.

    IS ISLAM BECOMING A JOKE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ask Ravi and Engrich

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    engrich Reply:

    if u both want to know truth ask ur mthrs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ur language just shows that Hafeez Saeed and Ajmal kasab never taught u how to interact in a public forum!! :)

    Ill just say sheesha!! WHatever abuse u give it applies to u and to ur parents… reflcetd back…

    engrich Reply:

    i apolige but u shld also be careful.hindu media has habit of spreading lies and jokes.nameof maulvi is not given.muslimreligious people always speak truth and speak balance as hate has no place in islam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ur language just shows that Hafeez Saeed and Ajmal kasab never taught u how to interact in a public forum!! :)

    Ill just say sheesha!! WHatever abuse u give it applies to u and to ur parents… reflcetd back…

    engrich Reply:

    islam is fastest growing religion.some jokers dont know like anyother thing ,how to crack a good joke.there is no women in mumbai or calcutta who is not fkd by muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Stay away from bananas: Cleric to women

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Africa/Stay-away-from-bananas-Cleric-to-women/Article1-778921.aspx

    This must be the most ludicrous piece of advice/sermon/fatwa. What advice has he for the menfolk?

    This should be part of a book titled – How to make a laughing stock of oneself.

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    engrich Reply:

    name or addres of cleric is not given hence this should be taken as part of anti-muslims hate compaign.a lie.corporate media neither take rest nor give respite.

    i apolige using bad language for shan and vijay.

    u should know that spreading lies and vulgar jokes is daily affair of zoinist brhmnst media.as trth is not very favourable to them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Religious leaders like him will invite ridicule and by extension the religion itself.

    engrich Reply:

    but give his name.usually fake fatwas with wrong name are published in corporate toilet papers to give bad name to ilam.

    zhoot kee tahni phalti nahin

    nav kagaz kee kabhi chalti nahin.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The Egyptian news website Bikya Masr on Wednesday quoted the cleric whose diktat featured in an article on el-Senousa, a religious publication.

    engrich Reply:

    it is only a joke.as who told and source is not given.

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  • Anonymous

    KARE KOI, BHARE KOI

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  • Anonymous

    Fantastic!! Marvellous !!! Unbeatable !!!

    Watch out!! Thought police of the Congress and the Chandal Cowkri may be on the prowl !

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  • Anonymous

    Effect of one slap. I wish there were many.

    After Pawar was slapped – 1. Inflation came down to 9% from 10.8%,2. Sensex jumped 400 points,3. Fuel prices to be down by 1.02 and4. Rupee appreciated by 23 paise.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Shhhhhh dont say it too loud.

    Digviansh may take this as the model of economic growth…

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    You responded
    “Of course u will get an answer !

    Hinduism has the capacity to absorb dissent. however to teach this in colleges … is deliberatly hurting sentiments. There is a school of thought in this country which says, there is nothing like Hinduism, You can hear it from Ravi and Engrich on this blog and from say Jawed Naqvi in dawn.
    In this thesis it is important to demolish all beliefs of Hinduism as non existent in reality. So when the majority believes in one version of ramayana, this school of thought wants to put forward a thesis that Ramayan was a piece of fiction which could have been written in a different manner.

    Why did you not say that the university should also teach the alternative beliefs of Say Islam like Qadian, Ahemdiya, and give their version of Islam to the public?

    Let tht belief be there. But… to deliberately foster it in education is wrong.

    And yes, you critcism of Sibal’s fascist ways is feeble.

    Like Advani said, ” When asked to bend… the press crawled becasue fo the emergency.”

    I guess that is what your feeble riposte reflects.

    If you have strength. Say it loud. That kapil is a boor, Digvinash a communal rabble rouser,,, Antulay a thief and a rioter, .. and Congress a corrupt party which is scared that the Lokpal will strip many of its sources of income…. ”
    —————–

    What a long lecture and no answer to my question. Anyway it was pointless to ask you in the first given your track record and where your ‘loyalties’ lie. See next para.

    “If you have strength. Say it loud. ”

    Look who is talking and asking me whether I have the strength. At least twice before you demonstrated your utter cowardice when we were discussing 1984 and 2002 in the earlier blogs. These are just two instances. In other cases too, when faced with discomforting questions – you have very conveniently vanished from the thread in question. Thundering silence is the norm.

    —————–

    This post and earlier post re: Anna, you have “appointed yourself as my mentor” and want me to say things which you want to hear and setting rules as to who I should and not demonize (who do you think you are – another Anna?). Sorry, mate – go take along walk and stick to ‘waah waahs’.

    I can also use very uncomplimentary things about your heroes using the choicest words and phrases if I want to, but I do not and will not stoop down to your level, because that is not my style. Got that?

    In any case, I have said a lot of negative things about Congress Party in the past and would continue to do so. The last one is my response to Shan right here on this blog, if you care to read, understand and remember.

    The same cannot be said about you in reference your ‘beloved’ heroes and party. For that you need guts, which you surely lack, as shown time and again. For proof, just scroll through previous blogs and check.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    let me tell u, Anna may find many of the things I do as immoral. I sometimes enter a disco at 10 and come out at 5. Or enter a pub at 7 and come out last. Or i have very “unholy” dialogues in the two books I have written…

    BUT>>>

    I will still take Anna on Lokpal.

    i will question the existence of god as a scientist. but still celebrate Diwali and Shivratri like and have danced the Night out on Christmas or celeberated Eid with muslims (sans sacrifce… basically vegetarian)

    I condemn riots. have seen the murder of 1984… and seen Congress celeberate the progenitor sajjan Kumar.

    I am not very sure about 2002 becasue unlike 1984, people from both sides lost lives. And teesta and co gave false affidavits. Plus the godhra train burnigns were made light of and forgotten.

    I dont lecture… just tell the truth. even at the cost of getting ALMOST bashed up as it happened when I (alone) told a group of Pakistanis and Kashmiris in London that they were just spreading terror and killing innocents.

    You may question my guts… but my heart beats for India… and you may not like the idea too much…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are not the only one whose heart beats for India, so do not attempt and try to make a virtue out of it and trumpet it to the world.

    You may consider Anna or whoever as whatever, do not expect me to follow suit – I may or may not agree. I will call a spade a spade – whether you or your fellow travelers like it or not.

    Ah! Not sure about 2002? Very convenient. Then justifying – Godhra and false affidavits. Have you forgotten that 1984 could be justified (I do not) by the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Aisi patti aur kisi aur ko sunaanaa, mujhko nahin. If you have forgotten the original discussion, go back several blogs and refresh your memory.

    You think I approve of Congress celebrating Sajjan Kumar? Looks like your memory is extremely short. Again go back and check.

    This is one of the cases, how many times you have decided discretion is the better part of the valour – when certain questions were put you in return of questions being put to me? Again go back and check it yourself.

    You have not responded when convenient is your choice and I have no problem per se, but then do not expect me to do your bidding.

    I leave it you to decide whether you have the guts or not (you know yourself better than anyone else), no need to take my opinion seriously – trash it by all means.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    If I read this correctly, in here you are suggesting that I contend that there is no religion like Hinduism.

    I am sure that I have never said that.

    I may have said that Hinduism, or Santan Dharm, as other bloggers have pointed out, is a loosely defined religion. So much so that it is possible for there to be two people in India who have little or nothing in common with each other, yet each of them considers themselves Hindus.

    This is simply because a plethora of quiet independent belief systems complete with their own theology, deities, and worship modes have been absorbed into broad Hinduism over the centuries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    It is not me, but Vijay who said something re: Hinduism.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay knows nothing about me or my views. He abuses and I abuse back (to my shame) the rest he just imagines and then opposes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    A) “Hinduism has the capacity to absorb dissent. however to teach this in colleges … is deliberately hurting sentiments|”.

    Hurting sentiments? You Hinduism must be very weak with feet of clay, that it is unable to withstand any dissent and criticism, sentiments getting hurt. My Hinduism is on a very strong wicket – that is able to face any onslaught and able to stand its ground (and not walk like you know who).

    If we go by your logic, then the reformers of the past – Guru Nanak, Mahavir, Gautam Buddha, Kabir and others must have surely “hurt” the sentiments of the people at the points in time for questioning the belief systems prevalent then and proposing alternatives.

    Scholarship includes questioning the accepted belief and theories, advocating alternate views, looking within. That is what the essay in question is all about.

    Of course, Ramayan is a piece of fiction – unless you believe the Hindutvawadi / RSS’ versions of religion, mythology and history ( mixing all of them to make a heady cocktail), which apparently you do.

    B) “And yes, you critcism of Sibal’s fascist ways is feeble”.

    If you think strong criticism is to call people names and abuse them (apparently your style), sorry I would not oblige you.

    C) “Why did you not say that the university should also teach the alternative beliefs of Say Islam like Qadian, Ahemdiya, and give their version of Islam to the public”?

    Islam or any other religion may not be as strong as my Hinduism and may be more similar to your Hinduism, hence unable to accept any different views and criticism. That is why the adherents of those faiths are perhaps in doldrums, which you keep criticizing and harping upon, so what are you complaining about?

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  • Anonymous

    Ashish

    I had asked this question in the previous blog – either you did not see or chose not reply. Let me give another try.

    What if Swapan Dasgupta is appointed the chief ideologue (economic and political) of the BJP without that remote control in Nagpur?

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    AshishC Reply:

    No I had not..
    Swapan Dasgupta will not fit in; even Shourie does not fit in.
    The tragedy of the right wingers in India is that many of them do not know what a right wing party is all about.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now that is an interesting observation. I would like to explore it further, because we need a right of the centre party to counter-balance the Congress in the interest of our democracy.

    More than a year ago, Ashok Malik, the independent journalist, had stated that if such a space has to be filled, elements of the BJP will have to part of the process. 14 months down the line there does not seem to any move on this front.

    How do you see things panning out? In your opinion, who all in the BJP are fit to be part of the such a party?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar, I would love to engage you on this; but, let’s wait for the weekend to start this. Too much work.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No problem, we will discuss it later.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is because they define themselves using external references.

    We are NOT like that is the best they can manage.

    Rather than.

    We are like that

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    engrich Reply:

    bjp will go down further.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ashish

    U asked me about solar power. now here is my view.

    We need to subsidise it continouly as it is ultimately the final solution.

    I have installed a few solar water heaters. In the 90’s, the heater on IIT Delhi hostel was a novelty … and expensive.

    The last heater i installed (small… for a house with 10 bathrooms) cost 40,000 rupees… COMPARED TO RS 80,000 we spent on a heater 3 yrs back for that of a bldg with 6 baths. I have installed abolut 30 of thiese and Borosil India is making it in India.

    Reason– the Chinese had innovated round glass tubes on solar panels as compared to the copper plates (expensive) which Indian manufatures were doing ten yrs back,

    So innovation is only going to happen when the govt steps in. I mov ed around Chinese towns and villages and saw this compact heater in almost all houses because the state was giving incentive.

    We know that now most calculators work on photvoltiac lighting, a big walk away from the cadmium batteries which were the norm once.

    However solar street lighting and house lighting has a distance to go. Tata lights which we tried for CWG were 3 times more expensive. I guess TATA needs huge profits!

    A batchmate from MIT keeps telling me that there are now panels which can cover a building and supply enough electircity to sustain it. I still have to check out the prices. However…

    Remeber that when cars came in…

    They were 1000 times more expnsive than hand carted rickshaws.
    The real poush will come as it hapened in the computer industry. when small manufacturers get tech to make it world over…

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  • Anonymous

    SHOEB VS RAVI, VIJAY AMRITRAJ VS MANOHAR

    dishum dishum, wah, but only 1 clear winner in each duel.

    Noticed that Shoeb does not take prisoners on hindu sneerers and does not hide radical extremism of muslims. In last blog he simply blew Ravi away when ravi tried to coopt Jesus into Islam.
    And here, vijay gave brilliant response to Manohar, “I may drink but I will still take on Anna on lokpal” and all that follows. POWERFUL JOUSTING, thx to both vijay and shoeb.
    But Mishraji, where u hide. Pl u reply abt Walmarts exports from China, no escaping my dishum dishum, I dont like quitters

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    Thx… Someday we will surely have a beer together… and will definately invite Manohar…

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    engrich Reply:

    Noticed that Shoeb does not take prisoners on hindu sneerers and does not hide radical extremism of muslims. In last blog he simply blew Ravi away when ravi tried to coopt Jesus into Islam.

    i think shoeb is not muslim.

    sardar jee before writing something u should study the things.all 3 abrahamic religions are very similar.name of jesus christ has appeared in holy quran for 106 times.we respect jesus like prophet mohammad(pbuh).religion wise we are very very close.but christianity is destroyed by zoinists.islam being latest is improvement on christianity.christians say that jesus was part of god and had godly power is main difference.
    in the begining only greek gopels were cannonized.remining were hidden.Romans were using cruxification of jesus to kill jews who became very powerful.same as sep 11 was perpetuated by zoinists to use this episode to kill muslims and hurt christians..now read gospel of bernabes,which is very near to islamic view on jesus.
    u only read anti-muslim propaganda,which is mostly based on lies.guru nanak jee thoughts were also had quranic effects.

    do u know brhmns pleaded a lot to akbar,to ban guru granth saheb,who refused.this is historically recorded.

    so ravi was right.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ravi Co-opted Jesus into Islam.

    Balwinder VS Balwinder – Balwinder loses.

    How did Shoeb or come to think of it you, came to that conclusion.

    What I actually said is reproduced here.
    _______________________________________________

    2. You are right in so far as some spiritual leaders did not wish a break-away religion to be set-up, based on their teachings such as Mahavir, Gautam, Nanak, etc. did not start a new religion.

    Except, I am not sure that applies to Christianity and Islam. Whilst both were reformation movements, Jesus was – in his life time – proclaimed as a Messiah and a Son of God, and Mohammad, did say that he received messages from GOD. These two factors makes both Jesus and Mohammad as people who were aware that they were starting a new religious movements.

    Right wing Hinduism’s defence, previously tried and tested, was to absorb Buddhism, by designating Gautam as an avatar of Vishnu. Job done.

    Just goes to show What a partisan I D I O T BALWINDER is.

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    engrich Reply:

    You are right in so far as some spiritual leaders did not wish a break-away religion to be set-up, based on their teachings such as Mahavir, Gautam, Nanak, etc. did not start a new religion

    all 3 challanged brhmnsm.jainese and budhhdists were decimated and assimilated.sikh religion is new one and based on egalitainism survived,because it came during muslim rule,who were more interested in making india more prosperous than anything else.like islam sikhism also has no place for choosen people.brhmns started their old game of assimilation but failed .thanks to saint jarnail singh bhinderwala.

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    engrich Reply:

    mishra jee aate raheay,praaje ekh gana sunte rahte hain,tera jana dil ke armano ka mit jana.

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  • engrich

    1. Zardari enjoyed polo and boxing in his youth.

    2. Zardari shares his birthday (26th July) with Kate Beckinsale (British Actress), David Heyman (producer of Harry Potter series), Mageina Tovah (American Actress) and more importantly Chillopedia.com.

    3. Zardari is a UAE national and owns a house in Emirates Hills region in Dubai.

    4. Zardari suffered dementia (major depressive disorder) and post-traumatic stress disorder from 2005 to 2007. The ailment also helped influence the verdict of one of his corruption trials.

    5. Zardari is the only son, with 2 sisters Azra and Faryal, of Hakim Ali Zardari – a tribal chief and a prominent landowner.

    6. Zardari removed the picture of founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam from the President House after becoming the President triggering widespread condemnation.

    7. Zardari is a patient of high blood pressure and diabetes.

    8. Zardari is a Shia Muslim.

    9. Zardari, who is three years younger than his late wife Benazir Bhutto, had a quarrel with her on the day of her death.

    10. Zardari is reported to be among the five richest men in Pakistan with an estimated net worth of US$1.8 billion (2005).

    11. Zardari’s mother is from the family of Khan Bahadur Hasan Ali Effendi, who was among the founders of the first educational institution in Sindh.

    12. Zardari’s favorite bollywood actress is Madhuri Dixit.

    13. Zardari was declared in Bookmakers as the people’s “favorite” candidate while betting on who will be Pakistan’s next president.

    Read more: http://chillopedia.com/interesting/13-things-you-did-not-know-about-asif-ali-zardari/#ixzz1fsKFrETX
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ** Sigh**

    Zardari’s ppossible long time replacement Imran Khan has been indicted by Qasim Omar and others for promoting Charas on the West indies tour of 86. h ealso fired an illegitimate child– sher bano– thru Sita white whom he disowns…

    I am sure he is lovely in ur eyes as he is jehadi… while i cry for Sher bano…

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    engrich Reply:

    I am sure he is lovely in ur eyes as he is jehadi

    how u know.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Zardari a UAE national ? He is not a Pakistani ? I am hearing this
    first time .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    People of Pakistan are allowed to hold dual nationalities, if the other country has no problem or allow it. I do not know the list of such countries, but apparently UK and USA do.

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  • Anonymous

    US-based Kashmiri separatist Ghulam Nabi Fai pleads guilty to charges of spying for ISI

    WASHINGTON: US-based Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, accused of being an ISI agent and trying to influence American policy on Kashmir has pleaded guilty on federal charges of spying for the Pakistani spy agency.

    Fai also acknowledged receiving money from the Pakistani spy agency through clandestine routes and causing revenue losses.

    Pleading before the US Eastern District Court of Virginia on Wednesday, Fai pleaded guilty and agreed to the charges of federal prosecutors that he received at least $3.5 million from ISI between 1990 to 2011. This resulted in a revenue loss of between $200,000 to 400,000 to the US government.

    His sentencing is scheduled for March 9. Fai agreed before the court that he was in direct contact with the ISI officials including the head of its security directorate.

    He conceded receiving talking points from ISI regarding what to say and write. He agreed that he received directions from ISI with regard to which specific individuals to invite for KAC conferences.

    Fai, 62, has consented to forfeit all four bank accounts in his name or in the name of KAC totalling about $140,000. He also agreed before the court that he had send to the ISI annual budget of the KAC for approval.

    He continues to be under house arrest till the time of his sentencing. Fai was arrested on spying charges on July 19 and then put under house arrest.

    A resident of Fairfax Virginia, an affluent suburb of Washington DC, Fai was head of the Kashmiri American Council (KAC) and claimed to lobby on behalf of the people of Kashmir.

    Federal prosecutors, in their submission before the court, have charged him with working for the ISI and accepting millions of dollars from the spy agency.

    He is accused of funnelling $4 million ISI money into the US to influence country’s Kashmir policy.

    His handlers in Pakistan allegedly funnelled millions through the Kashmir Centre to contribute to US elected officials, fund high-profile conferences and pay for other efforts that promoted the Kashmiri cause to decision-makers in Washington, US attorney Neil MacBride had said in July.

    “Mr Fai is accused of a decades-long scheme with one purpose to hide Pakistan’s involvement behind his efforts to influence the US government’s position on Kashmir,” MacBride had said.

    The affidavit alleged that although the KAC held itself out to be a Kashmiri organisation run by Kashmiris and financed by Americans, it was one of three “Kashmir Centers” that are actually run by elements of the Pakistani government, including ISI. The two other Kashmir Centers are in London and Brussels.

    The FBI had arrested Fai for allegedly collaborating with ISI by “clandestinely” funnelling hundreds and thousands of dollars to change the view of American lawmakers on Kashmir.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-based-Kashmiri-separatist-Ghulam-Nabi-Fai-pleads-guilty-to-charges-of-spying-for-ISI/articleshow/11023279.cms

    ( Some of the money paid by ISI made it into the pockets of Indian journalists , who take a soft, pro-pak position in Indian media )

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  • Anonymous

    Here is a tongue-in-cheek look at Anna Hazare.
    Courtesy HT
    —————–

    This may be a slap in the face of all those who believe in non-violent methods of protest, but our latter-day Gandhian Anna Hazare is clearly made of sterner stuff.

    None of that turn-the-other-cheek codswallop for him. When he incredulously asked ‘just one slap?’ after Union agriculture minister Sharad Pawar was assaulted by someone, he really meant it. His spinmeisters may have made him recant, but you really cannot keep old Anna down. So back he comes saying that if it is for the betterment of society, violence is not wrong. After all, he has been known to lay about them in Ralegan Siddhi if anyone is partial to a drop or two.

    This should serve as enough warning to our political class. If our politicos don’t pass the lokpal according to the tenets laid down by Anna and his gang, they may be in for more than just a tongue-lashing. No, it is quite possible that the offenders will be administered six of the best by the Gandhian and his cohorts. And here it comes in useful to have a former police officer on your side. It is clear that Anna has seen how tardy our politicians can be and has decided that he must beat them into shape. This should be a little worrying for the judiciary, for given Anna’s penchant for instant justice in the form of a slap for starters to those allegedly shortchanging the people, no one is likely to seek legal recourse.

    The trick now is to determine the number of slaps that should land on the offender that would be commensurate with his misdeeds. For example, how many slaps would Anna recommend for fudging air ticket bills, as the worthy Ms Bedi is alleged to have done? In Annaland, we don’t wait to ascertain whether allegations of corruption are true, the idea is to slap first and then verify. Given Anna’s popularity there will be many who will want to take a whack at this new system of justice. Yes, it will prove to be a big hit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar–

    Obviously you think Anna Hazare is a bigger problem to India than third rate criminals like Sharad Pawar

    India will be better off if we have more Annas and no Pawars.

    Jduiciary, parliament…. hahaha give me a break. Ex CJ Balakrishnan (my state mate) took the country to cleaners!

    Two reports caught my attention this week – one, a sub inspector of police in Kalyan, Mumbai has 8 flats in Kalyan (5 in the same building where he lives), and 45 kilo grams of gold in 6 banks’ lockers, and 85 acres of land in Sholapur. Another, a peon in Maharashtra (or may be UP) interior (Ujjain) has been arrested because he has assets worth 10 crores including shares in couple of buildings in Mumbai.

    Looks like we are really benevolent and truly democratic!

    Please dont shed tears for Pawar…

    Cry my beloved country!

    Good night

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    Who are you preaching…A congressi can never change no matter what..A congressi always remains corrupt in his/her thought and action and can never reform.

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    engrich Reply:

    anna is talking of control only.he is asking for constitutional amendment which will harsh punishment to thieves.like in china.

    how brhmnst,the most corrupt creed of india will fight with corruption.our peer and pandeys are partner in orruption.they pray for succes of theft and take share as chadawa.why their property should not be confiscated and they should also be send jail alongwith main culprits.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I am not shedding any tears for Pawar or anyone else. My concern is this Talibani mindset that seems to be percolating in the hope that the system can be set right – corruption eliminated and this will be a land of honey by slapping and beating the ‘wrong doers’ tied to electric poles. There is no place for people who advocate violence and intimidation as the means to make this country better.

    There was another instance of Sarpanch slapping a woamn in the presence of a MP in Punjab. Should we rename this country Slapistan?

    People do not seem to realize by such utterances Anna has/is damaging his own image and the main cause he is supposed to be fighting. His die-hard fans naturally do not see anything wrong whatever he does or says, as he has become a stick to beat the system and the objects of hate and the people refer to him as a Gandhian. How ironic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    That sarpanch should be punished severely, or he should
    declare himself a hijra. Only hijras will hit a woman.
    If this was not a public forum I would have used very
    very filthy words for that sarpanch.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agreed.

    The same punishment should be meted out to the person who slapped the Minister and also the one who has himself has beaten village people with his army belt to teach them a ‘lesson’. Are we on the same page?

    PS: There is no need to use foul language – the message still gets across as effectively.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    No, we are not on the same page. Here I was specifically speaking about hitting a
    woman and not about who was hitting. No man should hit a woman.
    If any one does that
    I will label him as a HIJRA.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since when have you started discrimination based on gender?
    Let me see.
    1) Man slapping woman – wrong according to you.

    Now please clarify which one is wrong and which one right

    2) Man slapping man.
    3) Woman slapping woman.
    4) Woman slapping man.

    Just wondering. Because the law does not discriminate crime/wrong doings based on one’s gender or the height of the offender or the colour of the victim’s eyes or ….

    As for me, all are wrong and the offender severely punished.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mnohar,

    I am not talking about law here. I was telling what I will
    think about a man who hits a woman. I will again say
    that any many hitting a woman will be called
    HIJRA by me .

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohanrr

    If I am not mistaken Vijay Kumar Khaplodia frequently calls me a Hijra. When combining me with Engrich, he calls me a four headed Hijra.

    Do you think Engrich and I slap women. Or is it that in his view we slap Bharat mata – a woman.

    Please do not desuade him, since he has started calling me a Hijra, my street cred has risen sky hai. Wat

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sach bplna kya paap hai?

    Four headed Hijra kewal aap hai :)

    Ravi Reply:

    App jo bhi karen wo paap hai.

    Kyon ki aap paapi ho.

    Shenoy ke catomite siraf aap ho.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aur Yahya ki noorjehan…

    Kewal aap hai !!

    HAHHAHH HAAA

    Ravi Reply:

    I would rather be Yahya’s Noorjehan than be Shenoy’s catomite

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    That is between you and Vijay, I wont comment on that. I am sure you understood what I was trying to say.to
    Manohar

    Ravi Reply:

    Off course I did and all I was doing was extending your logic to a personal predicament.

    I was not soliciting any support. God forbid.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok. Opposing points noted. We will call a truce, as we cannot be on the same page on this question of use of violence/intimidation.

  • Anonymous

    This what Ashish wrote
    Pankaj,
    there are other engineers on this blog; notably Shoeb and Vijay. Ask them this very simple question:
    the energy cost of producing a solar panel does not equal the total energy you get out of it over its lifespan. True or false?
    I am not even adding the cost of the battery (for storage); the inverter, for converting dc to ac etc. Solar photo-voltaic is little better than the “perpetual motion machine”.

    The TOTAL ENERGY expended in producing a solar panel is 768.1 KWh
    Total OUTPUT per solar panel is 800-1200KWh /year. lifespan 30Yrs.
    Also perhaps revisit SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS , Calvin Postulate
    There can be no system where the output energy will exceed or SAME as input energy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    5cingulategyrus9

    What is the size of Solar panel we are talking about. I don’t think it would be more than 4 sq. mtr. Average incidental solar energy taking into consideration location on earth and day and night factor is 164 W/sq mtr. Even if we take twice this figure for India which makes it around app 325 W/sq mtr. We can only use 30-40% of this energy. So all these factors don’t add up to figures given by you.

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  • Anonymous

    An incredible programme tonight on BBC2.(Story Ville)
    American ACADEMIA is rotten to the core.All in the pockets of Big Financial Institution. Larry Summers Ex Treasury Chairman , now harvard president WORTH 30 MILLION all from consultancy/lectures / directorship of banks etc.
    One professor from Columbia Business School WROTE GLOWING PAPER BASED ON RESEARCH ON ICELANDIC BANKING SYSTEM.When pressed , he fumbled , then said “I THOUGHT, ONE TALKS TO PEOPLE”
    Next on the screen THIS PROFESSOR WAS PAID 160000 DOLLARS BY ICELANIC TRADE PROMOTION BOARD
    Hope you got the message
    INDIA IS BETTER OF WITH THE JNU JHOLA TYPES

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi
    I had posted below response to your comment. However it went into moderation and appeared after 15-16 hrs. I am posting the same once again.

    Aaloke

    What are BJP policies, in these states.

    You don’t need any special policy to have good governance. You just need people involved in governance to have head and heart in it.

    Look at who joins ranks of Congress. Before independence, any one joining congress had some strong commitments for the country. no one joined for power or money as there was none. So pre independence Congress had some strong and positive character people. However, after independence , overtime it became Money and Power generating machine. Now most people attracted towards it were there for Money and Power. Find out in any College campus ,type of people joining its student wing NSUI. These same people later on become formal or informal functionaries of Congress.Congress has become a big brotherhood of Money and Power brokers. Now the result of Congress governance would be what can be expected of this big Brotherhood. This is what has been dished out by Congress all these 60 ( or atleast last 50 years).

    Now look at who would have joined BJP or JanSangh before last 15 years. It used to be perpetually in opposition, so not much possibility of Money and Power. People joining it again had some commitment towards country.

    For Congress, all Pre-Independence committed people have long back left, but in BJP, the committed people who joined when BJP was nowhere are now the main functionaries of party.Presently BJP has many more committed people than Congress. However there is a possibility that if BJP also is in power for continuous 15-20 years, similar rot, as in Congress will set in.

    Well, this is the reason that I feel BJP is better in Governance at this stage and this is the reason that we should have BJP as ruling party for atleast 10 years. After 10 years, if they also become as rotten as Congress is now, let us kick them out.

    Ultimately what matters is India. Any party or individual can not be bigger than Nation.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    I did read your response to me, and I apologise for the delay in replying. The pressures of collecting dole (only kidding) has become more acute recently.

    The notion that BJP governed states are better governed can be contested, but in the present context I will concede that point to you.

    The question of polices still remains. If all that was needed for a nation to prosper is good governance then there would be no need for Political Parties. Good quality CIVIL SEVANTS (wo are professional administrators) would suffice.

    The role of the Political parties is to give a shape, size and hue to the Idea of India and formulate policies that would guide the administration towards the achievement of that vision.

    As a short cut, one can say that Congress wishes to progress the Idea of India where as BJP wishes to progress the Idea of Bharat. The two are not the same and therefore should lead to a differing set of policies.

    We know Congress policies for India, but we do not know BJP policies for Bharat.

    I concur with your final summation.

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  • engrich

    न्यू यॉर्क।। हार्वर्ड यूनिवर्सिटी ने जनता पार्टी अध्यक्ष सुब्रमण्यम स्वामी द्वारा पढ़ाए जाने वाले सब्जेक्ट को अपने सालाना समर स्कूल सेशन से हटाने का फैसला किया है। साथ ही यूनिवर्सिटी ने भारत में इस्लामिक आतंकवाद पर लिखे उनके विवादित लेख को ‘निंदनीय’ माना है।

    गौरतलब है कि जुलाई में अपने लेख में स्वामी ने सैकड़ों मस्जिदों को ढहाने की वकालत की थी और सुझाव दिया कि सिर्फ उन्हीं मुस्लिमों को मतदान का अधिकार मिलना चाहिए, जो यह स्वीकार करें कि उनके पूर्वज हिंदू थे।

    the above is on cia agent brhmnst subramanian swamy.this notorious brhmnst should know that forfathers of muslims were indian and they are indian.hindu invaded and settled in india from 3000 years.all through history cheated and robbed indians.
    brhmns are not hindus and hindus are not brhmns.there is conversion.

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    engrich Reply:

    full text,

    न्यू यॉर्क।। हार्वर्ड यूनिवर्सिटी ने जनता पार्टी अध्यक्ष सुब्रमण्यम स्वामी द्वारा पढ़ाए जाने वाले सब्जेक्ट को अपने सालाना समर स्कूल सेशन से हटाने का फैसला किया है। साथ ही यूनिवर्सिटी ने भारत में इस्लामिक आतंकवाद पर लिखे उनके विवादित लेख को ‘निंदनीय’ माना है।

    गौरतलब है कि जुलाई में अपने लेख में स्वामी ने सैकड़ों मस्जिदों को ढहाने की वकालत की थी और सुझाव दिया कि सिर्फ उन्हीं मुस्लिमों को मतदान का अधिकार मिलना चाहिए, जो यह स्वीकार करें कि उनके पूर्वज हिंदू थे।

    हार्वर्ड फैकल्टी ऑफ आर्ट्स ऐंड साइंसेज की बैठक में फैकल्टी मेंबर्स ने भारी बहुमत के साथ स्वामी द्वारा पढ़ाए जाने वाले 2 सब्जेक्ट को हटाने पर अपनी मुहर लगाई।

    स्वामी हार्वर्ड समर स्कूल के 3 महीने के सेशन में ‘अर्थशास्त्र और व्यापार में परिमाणात्मक तरीके’ और ‘भारत और पूर्वी एशिया में आर्थिक विकास’ विषय पढ़ाते हैं।

    हार्वर्ड प्रशासन के मुताबिक, समर स्कूल के 2012 के सिलेबस की लिस्ट को मंजूरी देने के लिए हुई इस बैठक में प्रफेसर डायना इक ने स्वामी के सब्जेक्ट को हटाने की सिफारिश की, जिसके बाद बैठक में गरमागरम बहस हुई।

    इक ने कहा कि स्वामी का लेख एक पूरे धार्मिक समुदाय के खिलाफ दुष्प्रचार और उनके पवित्र स्थानों के खिलाफ हिंसा का आह्वान करता है। उन्होंने कहा कि हार्वर्ड की नैतिक जिम्मेदारी बनती है कि वह खुद को ऐसे व्यक्ति से नहीं जोड़े जो अल्पसंख्यक समूह के खिलाफ घृणा का भाव जाहिर करता हो।

    प्रफेसर ने कहा, ‘अलोकप्रिय और अस्वीकार्य राजनीतिक मतों में फर्क है।’ अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता के लिए अपनी प्रतिबद्धता जाहिर करते हुए हार्वर्ड ने स्वामी का साथ देने का फैसला किया था, जिसके विरोध में 400 से ज्यादा छात्रों ने दस्तखत कर स्वामी को हटाए जाने के लिए एक याचिका पर दस्तखत किया।

    जनता पार्टी नेता ने 1965 में हार्वर्ड से अर्थशास्त्र में डॉक्टरेट किया और वहां लेक्चरर के तौर पर काम किया।

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Swamy preaches tolerance after Harvard drops him for rant

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Americas/Swamy-preaches-tolerance-after-Harvard-drops-him-for-rant/Article1-779323.aspx

    ==========

    Now let us see what the bloggers have to say on this.

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  • Anonymous

    Mamata not in favour of foreign investment in aviation

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Mamata-not-in-favour-of-foreign-investment-in-aviation/articleshow/11027320.cms

    Who she is fighting for now – the rickshaw pullers in Kolkatta? Apparently, these daily wage earners will lose their livelihood if there is FDI in aviation.

    —————————–

    FDI in retail: Congress cites coalition compulsions for putting policy on hold

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/FDI-in-retail-Congress-cites-coalition-compulsions-for-putting-policy-on-hold/articleshow/11025998.cms

    Now the Congress is making a virtue out of its humiliation.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Those that cried about CPM misrule; ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!
    As an aside, if you watch the Trinamool worthies on TV and don’t cringe- (lack of ideas, poor communication, evident lack of depth, abusive behaviour- all from a state that prided itself on its genteel culture)- there is something wrong with you.
    The real culprit are the people of Bengal- it is no wonder that literacy levels in the state have fallen from the time (relative terms) when they were next to Kerala; now they are 14th and falling fast.
    A state where the 2 principal political parties are indulging in competiitive self-destruction (lefter than left policies) has a lesson- it is this:
    Bengalis in west bengal do not want progress. It is instructive that CPM lost power when, they at long last, started on the path of reform and industrialisation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, one indeed cringes. In addition, sycophancy can also be seen in full bloom, the party being an offshoot of the original sycophants. Mamta Didi this, Mamta Didi that, Mamta Bannerjee our supreme leader. Attempts to turn a strength of 19 MPs into 190 – how dare you do not follow our (actually Mamta’s) dictats.

    I am not so sure about Poschimbongis (is that the right phrase?) not wishing to progress. To me, from now, it is going to be Hobson’s choice for them – Mamata or the Comrades. I hope I am proved wrong.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I can understand you feeling nostalgic about the 30 year left rule of WB, I would hesitate to give more than a little credit to Mamta Di, because she is at best a rabble rouser, who does the opposition job extremely well, but as a ruler, she is approximating a disaster.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Nostalgic for the left front rule- oh, come on Shenoy!
    But, I have always maintained that Mamata is worse than any left/ right/ centre- she is unique.
    Maywati is a visionary compared to her. As a matter of fact, anyone is.
    Anyways, will be shortly visiting the state for a family vacation- I shall keep my mouth shut.

    AshishC Reply:

    Those that cried about CPM misrule; ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!
    As an aside, if you watch the Trinamool worthies on TV and don’t cringe- (lack of ideas, poor communication, evident lack of depth, abusive behaviour- all from a state that prided itself on its genteel culture)- there is something wrong with you.
    The real culprit are the people of Bengal- it is no wonder that literacy levels in the state have fallen from the time (relative terms) when they were next to Kerala; now they are 14th and falling fast.
    A state where the 2 principal political parties are indulging in competiitive self-destruction (lefter than left policies) has a lesson- it is this:
    Bengalis in west bengal do not want progress. It is instructive that CPM lost power when, they at long last, started on the path of reform and industrialisation.

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  • Anonymous

    One more victim of blasphemy law.

    http://bikyamasr.com/50438/australian-man-to-get-lashed-for-blasphemy-in-saudi-arabia/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When will these countries and faiths grow up? This is 21st century.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    shameful !

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  • Anonymous

    It seems what Rajeev had prdeicted about Lok pal is going to happen.

    The draft which is going to be tabled by governemnt has already found
    three dissents from congress party who want Group C employees should be part of this Lok pal. All these three people are believed to
    be close to Rahul Gandhi. Now during the discussion Rahul Gandhi will
    insist on inclusion of Group c employees which will be eventually agreed by all
    and Rahul Gandhi will take all the credit for passing this Lok pal and our
    congressi media will hail him as a hero.

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  • Anonymous

    @ManoharT , What you CONVINIENTLY failed to mention from that article in TOI. here you have it
    The aviation industry is also divided on the issue of FDI. While Jet Airways and IndiGo are opposed to this idea,
    MAMATA IS NOT OPPOSED TO FDI IN RETAIL THOUGH DESPITE BEING BRAMHIN HER FATHER WAS A BANIA IN ASHISH’S PARLANCE
    She is using this as a BARGAINING CHIP to get centre write off one lakh crore loan taken by CPM , essentially MAKING THE STATE BANKRUPT.
    She has taken some pathbreaking steps DEPOLITICISATION OF EDUCATION.previously every appointment had to be vetted by Alimuddin street (CPM headquarters). She has given autonomy to St Xavier’s College
    (alumni , Laksmi Mittal , Vikram seth , Utpal dutt Navin Nischol) for them to become deemed university. Shr has appointed a panel of experts (Amartya sen among them) to return Presidency College to its former glory.
    SHE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR ONLY 5 MONTHS, reduced the application form to set up industries from 175 pages to 5 pages.
    THE PLAGUE OF CPM RULE LASTED FOR 35 YRS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    1) Obviously Jet Airways and other would be against any invasion on their own turf. Many of these airlines in the 90s succeeded in preventing TATA-Singapore Airlines Joint venture even after MOU was signed in the presence of then Prime Minister, allegedly bribing the right people in the Government. Have they found a convenient and willing agent in Mamta Didi?

    2) Granting autonomy is primarily the domain of the UGC ( a central government body) and does not come about in 200 days (the life of Trinamool Congress till date). It takes a few years for the process to complete. Prestigious colleges all over the country can apply for autonomy. Similarly St. Xavier’s College Bombay too has been granted autonomy recently. So she cannot be credited with the grant of autonomy to St. Xavier’s there. The process must surely must have started some years ago.

    Fine, if she has indeed appointed a committee to improve the quality of Presidency College and is to be welcomed.. Having said that knowing the fate of innumerable government committees down the years, there is also the danger that the recommendations of this committee too will gather dust in some cabinet in the Writers’ Building. The politicians (across parties) have indeed run the education to the ground in all parts of the country for their own nefarious interests.

    3) So far there are no signs that she is any different from the Comrades.

    If her muscle flexing is just a ploy to get the funds from the centre, then one has also to look at the concurrent damage. As I said in my response earlier – she indeed is sending a wrong signals for the potential investors in her state by opposing anything which has FDI in its nomenclature.

    Straight politics and economics, anyone?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    manohar/shan

    I give credit to Mamta that she rose in politrics/leadership on her own- without the support of a politician husbvand, father, brother etc unlike the so called leaders here.
    I also believe she sincerely wants the upliftment of people.
    “Comrades rule” in itself may not be the just root cause there. Kerala had a prolonged leftist rule with occasional gaps; but on all social metrics it has done welll.. at one time, 30 years ago, west Bengal stood close to Kerala in literacy ranking.

    Lets hope Mamta can turn it round — she will need Modi’s, Jaya’s, Nitin’s, Mrs Indira Gandhi’s skills rolled into one.. It is a tall order.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good points. Let us hope she realizes that she cannot play street level politics with the development and progress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is some more on Didi

    After FDI in retail, Mamata spanner for common medical exam

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/After-FDI-in-retail-Mamata-spanner-for-common-medical-exam/articleshow/11039418.cms

    Her objection

    One of the major reasons was the Trinamool Congress government’s insistence on West Bengal students being given the option of answering the test in Bengali language.

    Would the selected candidates for medical courses then would insist that they taught medicine in Bengali?

    The doctors here should enlighten us whether medical courses can be taught in our own languages. Are enough text books, reference material and teaching staff available in Indian languages?

    It is sad fact that our own languages have been superseded by English in scientific, technological and medical fields. Without the knowledge of English, the future of our citizens is no future in most fields. Sad but true.

    ———-

    Excerpt from the above link

    It’s just months since Mamata Banerjee came to power riding a wave of resentment against the misrule of the Left, but she seems to be repeating one of their biggest blunders. An entire generation of students in West Bengal have had to pay the price for the Left’s obstinate insistence on banishing English as the medium of instruction in primary schools. Mamata’s campaign speeches made it very clear that she understood how much anger there was against this policy. Yet, she is now speaking in much the same tongue when she insists on students being allowed to write an all-India medical entrance exam in Bengali. Her state would much better served by improved access to high-quality English-medium education to all than by such cheap populism.

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  • Anonymous

    Just shows that the Kashmir councils and centres where our free Kababchis run too, are an ISI front…

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  • Anonymous

    @ MOhan

    It is like this…. Sehwag has scored a double century… Congressie rolls would like to give the cedit to the Yuvraj.

    As they did after the world cup victory when NDTV flashed his picture three times bigger thant hat of the ENTIRE Indian team.

    The Chandal Chaukri of Digviansh, Kapil Sibal, Swami Agnivesh and Chidambaram have done their best to bust Anna. The sycophants have saluted them.

    And now the dunce Yuvraj will take the credit fo the Lokpal…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    even before Kapil Sibal could suggest censoring of online social nertworks, the moderator of Vinod Sharma’s blog has removed the picture of Kapil Sibal I had posted yesterday!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gestapo aa gaya
    Declare the Emergency…

    Heil kalpil Sibal…
    VC Shukla hai yeh bilkul.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    To celebrate Sehwag’s highest individual score in ODI’s, I would be going to CP this weekend – they have this “Dilli Ke Pakwan” festival going on – I have been told it is on the lines of what we have in Dilli Haat at INA with (food / i wanna have one of those) stalls from Chandni Chowk.

    I would have gone there on Saturday anyways and now I have a reason too!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Have a great time

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  • Anonymous

    In the parliament of the early days, when MPs could pull legs of even the PM and get away with it, H.V.Kamath, the PSP Mp told Nehru that he wished Nehru was kept in jail for some more years, so that posterity could get some more outstanding books from his pen.

    Similarly, Harvard University has actually done India a favour by removing Dr. Subramaniam Swamy. Now he can devote himself full time to the stupendous job of exposing the scams of the congress government.

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  • Anonymous

    Mecca Masjid: Muslim youths to get Rs 70 lakh in compensation by AP govt.

    The government released the compensation amount on the recommendations of the National Minorities Commission

    Is this entitlement or largesse?

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    engrich Reply:

    must get more around 15000 muslim youths are languishing in indian jails without being chargesheeted from years.to explode bomb then start crying ith some some muslim organization.media helping at evry step.catch youth from middle class.take good bribe kill some (to take veerta medal).leave them without notice.
    this has become bussines of modern thugs.

    they should pay for the right of others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    An open invitation to watch ARSENAL play in the quarterfinals , probably knocking out BASEL on the way.

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  • Anonymous

    Nice speech by Shushma Swaraj in Lok Sabha…
    http://khabar.ibnlive.com/videos/63717

    I think Congressis should definitely watch this video.

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  • Anonymous

    It is freedom of speech so long as you don’t say too much.

    Kapil Sibal believes in this adage totally.
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    ALL THE TALK ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE UNIVERSITIES’ DUTY TO PROTECT SWAMY’S FREEDOM AS WELL AS OF THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM, IS COMPLETE SHAM.
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    SOME POINTERS TO WHY DR. SUBRAMANYAM SWAMY WAS REMOVED FROM THE FACULTY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY:

    1.Harvard has been bought and sold to the highest sharia bidder in December 2005, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed donated $20 million each to Harvard University and Georgetown University to fund Islamic studies.

    2.Mr Anand Mahindra, an out-and-out leftist and Congress party supporter donated a $10MILLION to Harvard recently to promote humanities. This is the biggest ever for this department! They have played their part to perfection, in order to get Swamy’s courses discontinued.

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    engrich Reply:

    there are 12 %god fearing muslims in india.fight between shaitan and bhagwan is eternal like serpent and mangoose.zoinism and brhmnsm represents shaitan.
    while notorious brhmnsts form only fraction of 2%(total)

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    engrich Reply:

    at the end man wants better life.brhmn is a race which enslaved remaining indians.majority of them are atheist.only aim is to remain at top and enjoy.
    daughter of swamy is married to a muslim.
    main aim is to come in limelight as he has no following except few of his jatiwala.their bhagwans are partner in corruption.pray for succes of theft .contribution is few shaloks.
    get good return if thef tis suceeded.if slave become clever they change religion

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  • engrich

    petrol in kabul is now costing 400 dollars per gallon.11th day.allah jane kya hoga aage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Yahya and Noorjehan

    Nahin ****-shit-stani jaane kya hoga aage
    Kyunk sab terror ke woh hi hai peeche…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Another scholarly contribution from our own dedicated Hindu Fundo

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  • Anonymous

    India no longer a preferred destination for MNCs: Microsoft

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/SectorsBPOs/India-no-longer-a-preferred-destination-for-MNCs-Microsoft/Article1-779638.aspx

    This pertains to IT companies.

    Thanks to the shenanigans of our politicians, which other sectors would be reluctant to come here, other than retail which has been put in the deep freeze?
    With politicians like ours, we do not need enemies.

    Perhaps, the India success story will end sooner than expected. Already the Call Centres and BPOs are moving away to Philippines and perhaps to Vietnam.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    India’s growth has already dipped to below 7%. A further drop will cause huge issues.
    The FDI fiasco will cause any interested investors think twice. The Swedish owner/CEO of the famous furniture retail chain (I miss the name) was all set to visit here and announce their expansion plan…but not any more.

    The UPA govt was inept the way they “managed” this. It shows how out of touch they are , even in the mechanics of collaboration in a joint govt.. I was surprised they did not even talk this with their backers like Trinmool, DMK ,or for that matter within their own party.

    btw I read about an US court sentencing the ex governor of illinois , Mr Bogovich, for 14 years. There was no crime of stealing the money or getting bribes; the crime was that he talked with the aspirants of Barack Obama’s senate seat (the governor gets to fill a vacant senate seat if the sitting senator dies/moves on to other stuff) to appoint them in exchange of huge money – but he did not collect any money; it was just a conversation) … Well, in some countries, they mean when they talk about rule of law…I would love to see an important person in Indian system in jail (forget Tihar holding cell)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The name of the swedish chain is IKEA it already has an outlet in Delhi.It sources lots of its products designed in sweden , from you guessed it China

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    Anonymous Reply:

    India’s billionaires talk of getting out
    Shaili Chopra | ET NOW

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/12/09&PageLabel=1&EntityId=Ar00100&ViewMode=HTML

    Excerpt

    Kumar Mangalam Birla, whose firm Hindalco gets over 30% of its business from Europe, has also said that for now, he’s rather look outside. In a recent interview with ET Now, he said, “I think that the environment is not so conducive to growth; there is a lot of policy back and forth that’s happening unfortunately…One would want to wait for things to get better. I think it’s a good time to start looking overseas.”

    What have the politicians have to say to that?

    ————–

    The Government of the day gets all the flak. Is it only the fault of the Government? Where is the constructive opposition? All we are seeing is destructive opposition – oppose for the sake of opposing. Parliament is not allowed to function on one pretext or the other.

    I repeat – we do not need enemies, we ourselves are very capable to maintain India’s status as third world country.

    —————

    IMO, it is best to call for General elections and see what the people desire. The present political class has let the country down very badly.

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  • Dr Mishra

    ARALIA- DLF GOLF COURSE- WALMART””””””””

    Balwinder praa, stop emailing me, i am trying to stay away from this blog haha.

    Anyways, here goes, you wanted to know about Walmart exporting WHAT worth billions from China. Last year I was invited to a party in Aralia- a plush housing complex in the superlative DLF golf course. Houses start at 12 crores- and are by invitation only. I felt poor in there !!

    Anyway, met an NRI there who had relocated back from US. He was head of Walmarts China India division. The fact that he was already there for 2 years speaks of how long term strategy of Walmart is- they wee paying him crores per month! Anyway he told me that big companies like TATA and Walmart are like- STATES WITHOUT BORDERS- they work to their own economics and can shape economies of many countries.
    To cut a long story short- he said Walmart exports 20 billion $ worth of food stuff and other items fro China annually !!!

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    just a random link to Walmart’s exports- http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/foreign-hand/2011/12/02/exports-the-untold-fdi-story/

    “Walmart, as an independent economic entity, would be one of China’s 10 largest trading partner. Walmart exported in 2007 from China some $ 27 billion in goods to its home country, the US. ————-this is may the main economic gain from organized retail: exports”

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    engrich Reply:

    this was not acheivement of wall mart.wall eaten the bussines local intenders.as the requirement was there.

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  • Anonymous

    @Gopi Thomas , WHY IT IS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO GRASP , that kerala’s lead in social sectors like education and health is ENTIRELY DUE TO Missionaries pumpimg money (25% christian population) GULF MONEY creating demand for education. WEST BENGAL HAD TO CONTEND WITH ONE CRORE REFUGEES PLUS MASSIVE LABOUR INFLUX FROM BIHAR AND ORISSA

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    engrich Reply:

    properity in kerala is due to employment of those people in muslim countries.

    otherwise how hindus (brhmns)were sucking their blood,can be seen in wealth
    of padmaswamy temple.christian missionaries also helped the victims of hinduism.

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  • Anonymous

    IINDIA IS RUDDERLESS
    Congress party should junk this PM. I mean he is no PM material . Politics is an art ORATORY is one big part. Here we have a PM who is GOONGA. Politicians job is to communicate with the people . Also before forming the govt , congress should have sorted out with the allies its game plan for the 5 yrs. The Gen Next of Congress is far more sophisticated and will beat the BJP munjra girls in Rajghat , hands down.
    LAWS SHOULD BE ENACTED TO STOP THIS BARBARIC PRACTICE OF STALLING PARLIAMENT.Just like ANTI DEFECTION BILL ., MP’S SHOULD BE BARRED FROM THE ENTIRE SEASON BY APPEALING TO AN INDEPENDENT BODY WHO WILL MONITOR TV FOOTAGE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    You still think Manmohan is in charge and PM..No sir..He is just a proxy for remote control supremo Sonia who believes in NGO kind of populist politics.

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  • Anonymous

    Mishraji, thx for feedback, u do lead charmed existence sirji and we learn from yr life experiences. But what u say about meeting walmart MD bothers me and I am shoked u missed it “states with no bordres” ?? Really
    Are we going to loose soverenty and control over our own economies at hands of geedy bankers and capitalists who have brought world down to ankles? Control is everything doc saab and we have enough rogues in govt who can agree to policy which may be against self interest?
    This Walmart guy u met, has he now packed bags and gone back ? Who else is camping hidden away in Aralia golf? VIJAY, pl u drive down and report to us and Vinod. Breaking story

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    Ravi Reply:

    Surely this is a wider discussion about National Soverignity and Globalisation (MNCs)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes ravi, but did PC and MMS speak clearly to us? Today on star TV most impressive young politician said, Indian voter is graduating to higher plane, villagers discuss CBI coming under lokpal!!!!!!
    Oye VIJAY, wear expensive sherwani or tuxedo when u go to Arelia, khota kahin jeans mein na pahuch jaaye. You r representative of tbis gentleman blog. And tell them to invite us to their New year eve party. Tell them hum Mishraji key sasural se hain
    hehe

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    Ravi Reply:

    I think that if there is any one who knows how National Sovereignty and MNC – meet/clash then MMS is him.

    However, he may not be blessed with the skill of reducing such a complex subject into a political cliché which ordinary people can understand then that is simply a different issue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ballu ji

    I will make sure I hide my lathe’ ka dhariyon wala kachcha and stop eating baer from beri when I go to Aralia… :)

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ WHY IS INDIA SLIDING ? ~~~
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    India’s slide down in the past 15 months can really be traced down to two of my favourite people — Mani SIlencer Aiyar and Digvinash SIngh.

    Kust 15 months back… we were touching the stars. Obama saluted us… and the world was at our doorsteps.

    But then came in Mani Aiyar with his cries of 70,000 crores looted in CWG. The COngress needed an articulate spokesman whoc ould puncture these lies as the total budget for CWG was 4000 crores and adding the development projects like the T3 airport and Metro, it could not have crossed 20,000 crores. SO even if their were gross leakages the loot could never have been more than 3000 crores

    But none in the COngress was articulate enough to explain this to the public. Everyone was runnign for cover and enjoying himself watching the goernment go into twists… The spokesmen who came onto TV were more interested in getting BJP and shouting Yddy Yeddy… not knowing that SM Krishana is probably more guilty than Yedy on mining leases…

    Smiliarly the other creature Digviansh SIngh has chosen to throw gross lies in order to appease “Osamaji” and known killers like Sohrabbudin. He has thrown mud on corruption fighters…

    So Whenever the Congress coffin goes to the shamshan bhoomi… the pall bearers whould e Mani SIlencer Aiyar and Digviansh Singh…

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    It seems Congress has dug its own deep grave. now it wants to censor the internet. Imagine… censoring 1 billion sites….

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  • Ravi

    Mera Bharat Mahan !!

    The Robotic Rottweiler of this blog never shies away from adding “Mera Bharat Mahan” at the end of his mostly jingoistic and inane posts. This is done to impress upon us – the unwashed – as to how patriotic he is. Patriotism is thereby reduced to uncritical acceptance of what is good about India and brushing under the carpet all that is not. The paradigm thus created excludes critical thinkers who are then systematically abused and labelled as un-patriotic – GADDARS. Ms Roy, and Barkha Dutt are singled out for such treatment more often than others are.

    In the real world, where real India is constantly evaluated, the 8.8% growth drum beaters are less obvious. More prevalent are the pipers, who’s from the heart tune laments the continuing plight of poor and the disadvantaged Indians. On international stage the New York Times records their well composed tunes.

    Nilanjan S Roy and Manu Joseph are two, among many new generation of commentators, who seem to be bored with the constant drone of 8.8% growth and, who are not afraid to revive the dirge of relentless and un-imaginable poverty. Nilanjana documented the sad story of Chandani earlier this week, which brought a tear to my eyes in a train full of commuters like me. I recommend that “Mera Bharat Mahan” brigade should read it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/world/asia/07iht-letter07.html?_r=1&ref=thefemalefactor

    Officially, Chandni doesn’t exist, nor is there any space for her in Delhi. Unofficially, the 14-year-old has grown up in the national capital, on its streets, one of the thousands of uncounted homeless women and girls in a city that has little time or empathy for her.
    “This city,” said Chandni, whose parents never registered her birth, “has less room for girls like me than it does for the crows and stray dogs.” ………….

    ___________________

    Manu Joseph is another such commentator who is not afraid to focus on Indian realities and leaves the 8.8% drum to be beaten by Narad Muni’s who have nothing better to do with their lives, than to hound liberals on this blog.

    Whilst reporting on a Literary Carnival recently held in Bombay, this is what he said.

    A complex Indian emotion that surfaced in the debate is fear of the foreigner, which sometimes masquerades as righteous rage against the white man, his swagger and his corporations. That fear has been manipulated at various points in India’s history by politicians, businessmen, nationalists afflicted by a sense of inferiority and socialist eggheads, who together ensured that India would open its economy to the world very late in its life and continue to impede further reforms.

    It is a complex fear, because the average Indian is not sure whether he is afraid anymore, even though a certain type of politician and intellectual tells him he should be. The fear is topical, as the Indian government’s move to allow in foreign retailers has created such a political storm that the decision has been put on hold. The anti-corruption champion Anna Hazare, who is among those ancient ideologues of whom India has so many thanks to medical advancements, has even invoked the ghost of the East India Company, which colonized India once upon a time.

    None of the speakers had any doubt that the arrival of foreign retail chains would benefit Indians through competition and job creation, and that the fear of foreign corporations was a comically anachronistic sentiment. Mr. French said, with a straight face, referring to the Tata Group, “I come from a country where the largest industrial employer is an Indian company.”

    It appears that the foreigner Indians are least worried about now is the Pakistani. And it was somehow inevitable that the speakers would explain The Idea of India through The Idea of Pakistan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/world/asia/08iht-letter08.html?scp=2&sq=Manu%20Joseph&st=cse

    On this blog there has been a tradition to dismiss commentators with such views as being:

    1. JNU – types.
    2. Scholarship Wallas – who filled their applications with anti Indian sentiments in order to enhance the acceptability of their applications.
    3. Dalit Activists (As if that is a disqualifier from holding an opinion)
    4. Out and Out leftist, etc.

    I wonder – according to some here – in which category do Nialnjana and Manu fall.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ HOW THE INDIA STORY IS BEING DEMOLISHED BY pessimists and ISI agents!
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    India was in a strange stratosphere when PV Rao took charge. Being a maun baba… he appointed an equally maun but brilliant Sardarji called MMS who applied a 100000
    volt current to India’s love for socialism and lack of initiative.

    At that point the cribbing cribbers predicted doom and that ghosts, bhoots and chudails would grip us. Nothing of that sort happened. But the entrepreniual Indian was born. Suddenly from having pledged our gold to IMF, starvation deaths, Mandal battles, begging bowls and alone on the world stage… we graduated to happiness, economic growth and optimism.

    So two decades later we now think ourselves among the world’s best. Yes there is a huge huge backlog of work to be done– in terms of social security, hunger indices, medical opportunities for the poor and employment. But the path forward is not what the ISI and leftists prescribe.

    It is by freeing the Sardarji from the grips of Digviansh SIngh and Mani SIlencer Aiyars.

    More capitalism and better enterprise and governance and legal reform is the way out.

    Nilanjana– a good friend of mine, despite a knocking she gave to a book of mine — would always prescribe an alternate thesis– which need not be succesfull.

    Manu joseph being the guy who demolished Barkha Dutt in the Radia tapes controversy by putting her onto the cover and publishing the dialogues of the tapes in OPEN magazine.

    JNU– being a place where I have a Sunday beer *** lunch with its most famous professor– once a while– is no langer a leftist bastion, but has students aspiring either to become IAS officers or join the world bank. If you fail in BOTH these endevours– 1 in 100 duffers would become a Maoist– others would become newspaper correspondents and web designers :) THESE DAYS !

    The solutions for all of us are not pessimism, cursing oursleves– but through removing corruption,

    Dr Mishra’s optimism is a solution.

    Shenoy employing 50 people is a solution….

    A strong LokPal is a solution,

    My dishing out arrows at Hefeez Saeed and wife may not be solving problems.

    But pessimism, pushing in an ISI agenda, knocking down the IDEA of a strong unified, growing India– IS THE PROBLEM !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    So Nilanjana Roy and Manu Joseph are ISI agents. Right?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    NO they are not. But are honorable news journalists, whose views may be different from mine– but are good. Nilanjan can be brilliant as a book reviewere but can be equally bad when it comes to a book by a Bong.

    Manu JOseph was good in OULTOOK, and has done good work in OPEN. He was gutsy to publish the Radia tapes which featured Prabhu Chawla, Vir Sanghvi and Barkha Dutt, even when the newspaper fraternity was maintaining a coy silence.

    But, yes a certain Hafeez Saeed and his wife are ISI in my eyes as long as they keep muttering brhmnsts– osamaji etc etc !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    :) Oh Mr Khaplodia, you have not only blown me out of water, you have expelled me from the universe.

    Even then I remain in the clutches of ISI.

    This post is trying to save Balwinder some effort

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I think our battle probably started somewhere in Sialkot when our forefathers had a saanjhi deewar.

    But once a while… chill out and laugh :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    But then… kutte ki dum taedi rahegi…

    Hafeez Saeed ki biwi…
    Osamaji hi kahegi…

    Anyway I am off for tennis now… Lovely to play under lights in this chill. You have a free run of abuse…

    Till 9.30 India time… :)

    Ravi Reply:

    @Vijay

    Totally agree……Kutiya ki dum bhi teadi hi rehti hai…..

    Shenoy jagat behnoi ki biwi…
    Oh my God hi kehti hai….

    Akelay hi abuse ka maza uthaon, rooh meri bimar nahin.

    Sial mein tennis kot daal ke khelo

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Mr Ravi

    Instead of resorting to abuse you should fairly consider the points raised by mr vijay…

    Ravi Reply:

    And let his abusive posts remain un-answered.

    He ignores the points I make and starts abusing me.

    Ravi Reply:

    seeing you in a sherwani in a golf club will be a laugh. However, seeing you in a lungoat in the club will be a hoot

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Brilliant posting Vijay!

    We Indians tend to be our own worst enemies. To score brownie points we are willing to demolish our achievements. It is probably our upbringing which makes us see the negatives first.

    I think you should keep reminding us that despite huge problems we should move ahead and not go into reverse gear…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Do you believe that Nilanjana and Manu are attempting to put India into a “reverse gear”.

    Or are they neo realists sitting in contrast to the 8.8% Dhol beaters.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think you should acknowledge that 8.8% happened and it was a huge thing. pessimists as Vijay has pointed out would want us to go back to 3% so that they can write scenarios of doom in foreign media for money.

    Ravi Reply:

    The issue is not that 8.8% did not happen or is not good. It is a huge achievement.

    But the REAL India is a complex weave with growth and poverty interwoven into a single fabric. Any discussion that excludes the less attractive elements of our society is a based upon a false premise.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    All sections of society need to be part of the growth train. Unfortunatley the states which rejected free market refors like West bengal, Bihar, MP (under digvijay) got left behind. However with changes ingovernment and with nitish, mamta and Chauhan, thigs have changed. Ultimately the death of fabian socialism and Public sector monoliths was a huge achievement. let us not suddenly get sentimental that those public sector comapnies were beauty queens. And that the states which rejected enterprise are better of

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Gandotra

    I have read you latest post which seems to have been positioned in response to a post I made.

    Not quite sure as to how the points u make fit in with what I said.

    I agree that all elements of the society have to pull their weight. The ratio between Public and Private Sector has improved as has the opening of the economy. This is right for now just as much as closed economy and a large Public sector was right for 50s and 60s.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shekhar

    yes !! Let us now distribute this 8.8% to all sections of the society !! And enjoy life which the scholorship seekers dont want us to …

    Ravi Reply:

    The issue is not that 8.8% did not happen or is not good. It is a huge achievement.

    But the REAL India is a complex weave with growth and poverty interwoven into a single fabric. Any discussion that excludes the less attractive elements of our society is a based upon a false premise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shekhar

    Thanks for the appreciation !

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  • Anonymous

    Congress website hacked, Sonia Gandhi’s profile defaced

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/Congress-website-hacked-Sonia-Gandhis-profile-defaced/articleshow/11044767.cms

    This would be a delightful news item and a time for celebration for the RSS trolls on this blog and elsewhere.

    Let us see their reactions, if any.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I can predict.

    It is a gimmick to give support to Mr Sibal.

    Just for starters

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    AshishC Reply:

    Nope…
    it is just that, Congress Party has very few competent people, even in website maintenance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    (: (:

  • Anonymous

    Ravi

    Obviously, every “opinion maker” has his/her point to advance. It is always easy to pick anything supporting any view point in a country of 1.3 billion people, many of them poor, most of them uneducated.

    I was proud when Manu Joseph brought out the Radiia tapes/G2 scam. That pride was based on my narrow “regionalism” (you may call it Fascism); since Manu’s family hails from Kerala; there was also a religious kinship, that a fellow Malayali Christian doing the right thing, as another Malayali Christian journalist of yesteryears, BG Varghese has done. Obviously, this “exposure” did not bring him riches; so he is doing the usual circuit, just like Pankaj Mishra et al – ridiculing and blaming India to the foreign press, now he has a regular column in new York times; pretty soon Murdoch will offer him more money and he will move to Wall Street Journal.

    Adiga got his booker prize when he wrote about the blue films being shown all across India in ALL movie theatres, how degenerated Indian village life was (everybody knew how hollow and degenerated the urban life was; Adiga was the first one to tell the western audience about the rural depravity). The darling Arundhati Roy, the one book phenomenon, got her booker prize when she wrote about Velutha, the untouchable, having sex with Ammu, the rich and privileged, in the central kerala village of Aymanam (it is a tourist spot now) in mid 1960s. This is the Kerala where the king proclaimed Temple Entry for all in 1920s, where whatever remained of casteism was wiped off by the first communist ministry led by EMS Nambudiripad in 1956. She wrote against Marxism (and the Marxist leader EMS), she wrote about the imagined sex between the untouchable and the upwardly mobile; she even gave the dark untouchable the name “velutha” (meaning white).. she gets the booker prize- bad about India, bad about Marxism. Now obviously she is an avowed Marxist. hey anything goes for publicity/money..

    Manu is angling for “bigger and better” things. Some of his recent columns have gone to absurd lengths to ridicule India …for example, in a recent column,……” A high level executive in Gurgaon, on the outskirts of Delhi, said with a chuckle ‘the swanky office is to impress the foreigner. Some of our people who work inside, I know would be happy in a cowshed…….Not surprisingly, thousands of kilometres away, in the English city of Norwich, when a literary agent calls for directions to a restaurant, she covers the phone and complaints to a friend, with an expletive “I am connected to an Indian call centre”

    There was a recent report about “Scott Sisters” , two black sisters in Mississippi/USA prison system. They were given two consecutive life sentences (that way they will never get out of prison) for a case connected with a $11 robbery. Nobody was killed in the incident; in fact a white boy later came and confessed to the crime; nevertheless these black girls (arrested when they were 18) continued to remain in the jail. Successive governors of the state pardoned many other criminals, including killers and rapists (all white men), but never pardoned these girls. They have been in jail for almost 20 years and the case was again brought out for parole by human rights activists.
    Does this mean USA is an 18th century country with pervasive suppression and false cases?

    The very fact that MJ Akbar, Manu Joseph (and Gopi Thomas), AK Antony, Sonia Gandhi etc thrive here is a testimony to India’s greatness. All these will be tried and killed for blasphemy next door to the west. The fact that Jawarhal Lal will ask (and he will accept wholeheartedly) Ravi Mathai to start a world class management institute in Ahmedabad speaks volumes.. the fact that when Ravi was alive and after his death, many will speak about him in glowing terms that he is a true Rishi in our ancient sense” speaks volumes about us. The fact that Dr Tessy Thomas “mans” our missiles speak volumes about us. The fact that Air Marshal Browne leads our airforce speaks volumes about us. The fact that our esteemed Dr Abdul Kalam opened the nuclear door for us speaks volumes about us.

    We all knew one can get ahead in US with talent. But India, oh no!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    So in as many words, what you are suggesting is that Manu Joseph is….

    2. Scholarship Wallas – who filled their applications with anti Indian sentiments in order to enhance the acceptability of their applications

    Or its equivalent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My reading is that he has “high ambitions”, he sees Fareed Zakaria etc shining on international scene as world opinion makers hobnobbing with the likes of thomas freidman…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I hope you realise what you are saying.

    My understanding is, that you believe that Manu Joseph is bad mouthing India in order to further his career.

    That is cynical beyond belief, even for you.

    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    I read the offending piece by Manu Joseph; on the strength of that article alone, I would come to the same conclusion as Gopi has.
    But, again, I am just a reactionary, right wing, Hindutva loony troll….

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    Somewhere along the path my prose took a direction somewhat different from that I intended.

    I wished to start the discussion on two issues, and Manu Joseph himself was not among them.

    However, I note, not for the first time, that you have not responded to Manu’s message, but chose to discredit him.

    The larger point was that there are many many more commentators who are willing to see India for what it REALLY is and not purely through the prism of emerging power with 8.8% growth,

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yeah, now you can go back to your constant rant about 5000 rapes of dalit women by caste Hindus in India everyday!

    Ravi Reply:

    Just as soon as you resume your 72 virgins and every one except you is a Jihadi. You saffron terrorist

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, only one reality?

    Ravi Reply:

    Is there more than one??

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    What is your view about Manu’s contention…

    It appears that the foreigner Indians are least worried about now is the Pakistani. And it was somehow inevitable that the speakers would explain The Idea of India through The Idea of Pakistan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Contrary to what “eminent” journalists may say, I do not think indians are worried about any foreigners. However, a large percentage of indians are concerned about cross-border terrorism, nexus between Pak terrorits/its army, and pak military’s goal of creating terror in india.

    I think the foreigner fascination with India vis-a-vis pakistan, or thropugh the prism of pakistan is how India survived when the pundits at that time of partition did not give many years to India…they predicted india will go the African way, with regions dismembering based on language, and opther huge differences, while Pak being monolithic, founded on the concept of a single religion etc will just flourish. That we survived, and prospered (later) is a testament to our founding fathers and our populace. As I always maintain, we would have been more prosperous (with people liek Nilanjana really working har for a story) had Nehru adopted Chakravarthy Rajagopalachari’s economic ides (later promoted by Swatantra party), or if Smt Indira Gandhi did not pursue the disastrous economic policies that bankrupted the country. It took 20 years after Smt Indira Priyadarshini Nehru Gandhi left to get back to the ecoomic standards when she started her adm. She is mopre than cunny to use the Gandhi name as her last name; 60% of Indians now believe the rahuls ad priyankas are the great greand children of Mahathma Gandhi..She knew the brand value of india and the brand of Mahathma. For that she has to be admired.. also for attacking the Golden temple and for assisting Begla desh to get out of pakistan (i always wonder how anybody could create a country with 4000 miles of another country in between its two parts!)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Elements of this post surprise me.

    Survival of India is a testament to our founding fathers and our populace. The founding fathers were and our populace is secular and it is to this that I principally attribute our survival. Remember earlier you phoo phooed when I suggested that Golimarkar and S P Mukherjee were responsible for fissures in our society. I stand by that comment and re-iterate it here.

    I believe that Nilanjana expended an appropriate amount of effort on her story. You would have taken an entirely more sympathetic view of her had she beaten the 8.8% growth drum.

    We can all continue to build what if scenarios with 20/20 hind sight. Nehru took the decisions and adopted the policies, which at the time he felt were in the interest of the nation.

    I would agree that Indira and her descendants are aware of the value of Gandhi name. I am sure any one else in their place would have done the same. Just ask Rajesh Roshan, etc. Knowing brand value is not a crime or even morally deplorable.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I am rather surprised that you carry on a discussion with this jihadi, who can never resist ther temptation of maligning Shyama Prasad Mukherjee and the RSS. For all his tall claims of being a ’secular’, he is a Pak agent placed on this blog by the ISI, which I am sure you know.

    Or elese, what do you say of the jihadi’s assertion that it was not Jinnah or Nehru or Patel, nor Mahatma Gandhi, but Mukherjee who created fissures in the society, as if the Indian society was lacking in fissures or Jinnah was a saint.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    MJ, Manu Joseph,Antony, Gopi Thomas and a whole lot of ‘others’ thrive here is indeed a testimony to India’s innate “swabhava” of live and let live.

    But Sonia Gandhi thriving here is a testimony to Indians’ weakness for the white skin, just as a handful of English soldiers enslaved a huge country like India by virtue of their white skin.

    Believe me, if East India Company was formed by a group of dark Skinned somali non-pirates, there would have been several armies ready to throw them out into the Arabian sea with all their merchandise.

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    Ravi Reply:

    May I have an ounce of, what ever it is that you have a sniff of.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why?

    Has your supply of grass from the ISI stopped too along with the pocket money?

    Ravi Reply:

    Not really plenty of money just that the Saffron Wearing supplier has been put behind the bars. Yours is totally corrupt

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Of course, white is special. (all the matrimonial ads talk about “wheatish”, “almost wheatish” “so wheatish she can be almost white”….

    In Mrs Sonia Gandhi’s case, the “bahu” part took over; with the netas calling her “desh ki bahu”.

    I believe history repeated. Nijalingappa and co thought Indira will be in their control when they made her the PM. Similarly, I bet many congress leaders thought the demure docile Sonia will be under their control and they can steal behind her

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Wonderful post. Thanks.

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  • Anonymous

    I heard some Sonia-Digvijay bhakts on this blog , have gone insane with distress , on hearing Sonia webpage defaced. My sympathies for them.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ Mr Manohar

    I dont know where you live in India. neither do I know where mr Ravi lives. But please come to jammu.

    For 20 years terrorists from Pakistan have killed Hindus at point blank range. Only the RSS in jammu has given us protection. So instead of debating fake theoritical issues, come to jammu and see the truth.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Gandotra

    I am very much aware of the level of terrorism our citizens of Jammu are subjected to. My sympathies are always with them.

    Despite what you may read what is said about me here, I am resolutely against terrorism, no matter who perpetrates it.

    Where I differ from the right wingers here is:

    1. Islamic terrorism is being instigated and supported by the fundamentalist Wahabi Sect of Islam which is very much supported by the Saudi Royal Family as well as society. Ordinary Pakistan citizens are just as much the victims here as any one else is.

    2. Pakistan Military adopted this Islamic cancer to achieve its foreign policy objectives, initially in Afghanistan and then in Kashmir. I have a Kashmiri Pandit in my extended family by virtue of marriage. I believe that Kashmir is an undisputed part of India, sadly Pakistan does not.

    3. I firmly believe that establishing Hindu Fundamentalism to counter Islamic Fundamentalism is little more than replacing one evil with another.

    4. All forms of Religious Fundamentalism eventually resorts to terrorism and Hindu/Sikh Fundamentalism is no exception.

    5. Etc.

    BTW I live in England.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    raviji

    Somehow our governments have not cared for the minorities in Jammu and Kashmir. Unfortunately even when we have gone to the influential human rights organisations of Delhi– we are somehow asked to talk against Modi and RSS and not about our own plight.

    That is why I invite you and Manoharji to come to Jammu. Be my houseguests.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If I ever come to Jammu, will certainly try and meet you.

    What you say about Jammnu & Kashmir applies equally to other parts of the country too – jiski laaThi uski bhains – that is the “law” of the jungle called India.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Gandotra

    In spite of the fact that you do not know me, yet you are prepared to invite me to be your houseguest, touched my heart. You are a gentleman.

    You have perfect cause to be critical of the Indian Government, considering your personal predicament.

    However, what I would find un-acceptable is, if you were to attribute GOI’s inactivity to its minorities (Muslim) policies. In other words GOI is inept at providing you with adequate protection and not that it is leaving you exposed in order to garner electoral favours from the Indian Muslim community.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi has echoed my views.

    Your concern is about only Hindus being killed, not people of other religions. Point noted.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think you are obfuscating by resorting to generalities. Why dont you come to Jammu and start applauding the terrorists?

    I am against all people being killed in the name of religion. But somewhere I feel you want a Hindu to keep quiet even when his family is killed and he driven away from his house.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You may see people through the prism of religion, value life accordingly and shed tears proportionately. Not me. Innocent people (minus the labels) killed by terrorists and anyone is a crime. No one is asking anyone to keep quiet.

    engrich Reply:

    For 20 years terrorists from Pakistan have killed Hindus at point blank range

    gandotra u are member of rss(rumour spreading society.)lie is your staple food while hate is duty.
    tell me one case where muslim killed anybody because of religious affiliation.
    rss mascared 250000 muslims on 6th november 1947.this is recorded in history.
    rss life is only 90 years.we were living like brothers form 1000years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    get lost you hate monger ..
    So, why are Muslims killing innocents all over the world?

    Or the killers are not Muslims??

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    At Engirch.

    I am not sure whether you are male or female so I wont add mister or miss. However from your post it seems that you are quite incoherent. You should buy a rapidex English speaking course … or maybe get yr head examined.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich yaane ke Ram Autar,yaane ke Tajender, all are the fake names of this Muslim Pakistani, who is in reality a jihadi, always defending Kasab and the LeT, JuD, AlQaeda and the Taliban. He is along with the other jihadi, fake Ravi, actually a plant by the ISI on Vinod Sharma’s blog, to spill the blood of the bloggers in imaginary bomb blasts.

    He is also mentally very very unstable, suffers from bi-polar, split personality syndrome, which is common amongst the jihadi Pakistanis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    Everybody on this blog has tried, but this guy who started as
    Ram Autar became Tajender after some time and now with
    new name will not change.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    At Engirch.

    I am not sure whether you are male or female so I wont add mister or miss. However from your post it seems that you are quite incoherent. You should buy a rapidex English speaking course … or maybe get yr head examined.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar

    Though our first exchanges may not be what one would call pleasant – not agreeing to each others point of view, I welcome you on this blog and urge you to be a regular. Here we are a bunch of about dozen crackpots with opinions and views on everything, except perhaps cryogenics, General Theory of Relativity, Topology and the fine art of one’s (or other people’s!) nose-picking.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    for your first post, what a person you chose to address your ‘concern’!

    He is a first rate congressie troll, having unlimited faith in Sonia Gandhi and her son for ridding the country of all its evils, including the RSS and also the corruption!!!!!

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  • engrich

    today grand daughter of baal thakeray married a muslim after converting to islam.

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  • Anonymous

    @gandotra , PERHAPS THE NEWS HAS REACHED YOU ABOUT 87 PATIENTS BURNT ALIVE IN A PRIVATE HOSPITAL . NO IT WAS NOT STARTED BY ANYONE ACROSS THE BORDER.
    Vijay Khapodia , Smug B Mishra and his sidekick Buffon Balwinder ,and one guy so enamoured in the cadence of his sentence construction and all the MORONS prove one more time INDIA IS ESSENTIALLY A BANNANA REPUBLIC in most of the matters.
    A FAULT ADMITTED IS HALF REDRESSED

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    Anonymous Reply:

    While it is sad indeed, it does not have anythimg to do with “india”. It is a failure of West Bengal govt in licensing, enforcing etc. Obviously the hospital lacked basic safety exits and processes. A while ago there was a fire in a cinema house in Delhi; the doors of the theater were locked (violating the safety code), and many burned to death. The owner was arrested (if I remeber he was a bigtime business man there in Delhi); case went on, and in the end he got scot free.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why? Is Poschimbonga not part of India?

    Cutting corners and resorting to shortcuts in all spheres of life has been our hallmark.

    The rich and powerful never have had to pay for their sins and crimes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, it is quite sad. One redeeming thing was the fact that the slum dwellers nearby helped a lot in saving some of the people while the employees “went home”.

    India does not care about human lives – I have visited many hospitals in the US with my Indian doctor friends – the requirements such as lighting the Exit doors, displaying the capacity of open places, directing to the location of fire hydrants and sprinklers etc are simply superb. Nobody cuts corners; the annual inspection seals are prominently displayed.

    Things will change only if we value every human life, and only if we follow the rules –I am sure all the necessary rules to prevent a fire damage like this were on the book; but nobody followed, and nobody enforced!

    We need more Hazares because the people with power and money do not care.

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  • Anonymous

    The capital letter B are not the initials , though may be apt,but the first letter of an expletive

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  • engrich

    ravi bhai,

    uk has bank and other loans 1000 time to their gdp.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ram Autar,

    Do not worry in the least.

    Even if the British government goes bankrupt, you two jihadis will continue to get your doles. Only, you may have to stand in the queue for a while longer.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Modi is person non grata in Delhi and can not get visa for Us but lo and behold, Pakistani business delegation is sponsoring him for a visit. No more comments.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Will-Modi-hardsell-Gujarat-model-to-Pak/articleshow/11053784.cms

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    the best tribute to the dead in Godhra and Gujrat is for everyone to devote themselves to peace and prosperity in the future. Dr Pankaj, thanks, nice article.
    Ravi may as usual indulge in raking over embers, but his like never achieve anything fruitful. He prolongs the pain of the ones who have suffered, most would shoo him away

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    engrich Reply:

    but culprits and perpetuator of voilence must pay for their deeds as per our law.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich,

    Yes the real perpetrator must pay for the deeds, not whom
    you believe are the the perpetrators.

    engrich Reply:

    rss and bjp people are incompetent lot can not win election without perpetuating communal riot.

    gujrat riot of 2002 was a preplanned riot.nothing to do with godhra.targets were identified with great precision.compartment was put on fire by vhp goons to provide reason for riot.even father of hiren pandya confirmed this.culprits of of ahmedabad are increasing while most of godhra perpetuators re released after loosing 10 yers of their life.

    rss is perpetuating communal riot since 1969.nobody was ever punished.this is called horrors of brhmnsm.

    Ravi Reply:

    Most will shoo me away…..none has succeeded thus far

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because you plead, entreat, beg, growel in front of whoever cares to read, to spare you the kick, like Ram Autar Tajender was kicked out.

    Ravi Reply:

    Another considered post from a dyed in saffron Hindu Fundo, who despite concerted bullying and leading a witch hunt has spectacularly failed to get any one banned from this post.

    Your intolerance is well known.

    Ravi Reply:

    Lets not forget. you HOUNDED Ram Autar because you are an intollerant Hindu Fundo.

    You pleaded with others to support your campaign of terror here

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is especially for Gopi.

    STRAWS IN THE WIND
    In Praise of Pawar’s Agri Acumen, It’s Narendra Modi Now

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=ETNEW&BaseHref=ETM/2011/12/09&PageLabel=3&EntityId=Ar00301&ViewMode=HTML

    Excerpts

    In an interview given to this Marathi magazine, Modi says, “Every step that Sharad Pawar takes is for the betterment of farmers and development of agriculture and he is truly committed to development of agriculture in the country. Rural development is his passion, he accepts everybody with an open mind and does not believe in political untouchability.” He goes on to highlight Pawar’s agricultural policies and claims most policies have resulted in betterment of farmers in his state.

    ————-

    Punjab chief minister Prakash Singh Badal in his interview has said that the credit for the country’s ability to achieve a second ‘green revolution’ should be given entirely to Pawar, while Haryana CM Bhupendra Singh Hooda has said that Pawar provided maximum funds to the farmers in his state through Rashtriya Krishi Yojana ( RYK).

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    AshishC Reply:

    This is one of the things that I am worried about; and did not probably articulate very well in my response to Shenoy sometime back; re’ BJP’s prospects in UP elections.
    Who knows how many such unsavoury characters BJP will have to team up with to come to power and what pounds of flesh will they extract for their “principled” support?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Why should a ‘principled’ party team with unsavoury characters?

    2) Is the ‘principled’ party itself not unsavoury?

    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    good questions :) I am glad I do not have to be in politics (yeah, escapist)
    1. They will have to, if they wish to form the next government- the thugs are in a significant minority, whichever way the cookie crumbles; so aligning with a few or (shudder!) a lot of them is inevitable. Especially if you have few thugs of your own-unlike Congress!
    2. For answer, see last sentence.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Significant minority! Now that depends on which side of the fence one is sitting.

    2) If they form a government with the help of unsavoury characters, then it is no longer a ‘principled’ party. The question is what is more important – being a ‘principled’ party or forming government by supping with the devils?

    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    no government in my living memory has been clean- but, the extent of dysfunction and corrupt practices of UPA-II are unmatched.
    Now, admittedly we have had only one experience with BJP; but, even they ran a coalition and ran it with a fair degree of efficiency and a lot more clean governance than UPA-I or UPA-II.
    So, as Shekhar said on TV the other night, it is more a matter of knowing the art of political management.
    Now, let me ask you; this government is telling us that they need FDI in retail because rupee is falling, exports are lagging imports by a large margin and so on. I wonder what will they do if all the banks go belly up because the government has been sitting on its hands on coal, mining, aviation, telecom and so on and saddling the banks with NPA?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you are changing tracks. Never mind.

    It is criminal that the Government has been afflicted with paralysis and confusion. See the excerpt I posted from Shekhar Gupta’s column. A small part of the blame could be laid at the door of the coalition partners like the Didi in Writers’ Building. Either the Congress should call their bluff or let the Government fall. We will decide afresh as to the type of dispensation we wish to have – that has been my refrain.

    —–

    “Now, admittedly we have had only one experience with BJP; but …….”

    But one Himalayan blunder on their part was enough to show them the door and not allowed to enter the second time around too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are we going to see different coalition in next elections ?
    Will NCP be the part of NDA or will Modi break away from BJP ?

    Manohar,

    By the way, do you believe in the policies of Sharad Pawar ?
    Has his policies been good for the Indian farmers ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    A) There may be new alignments of forces for the next elections, but at the national and state, I believe Sharad Pawar will not align his party with the BJP/SS.

    In Maharashtra at the municipal level, the four main parties – Congress, NCP, Shiv Sena and BJP operate without any scruples. Wherever there is a fractured verdict, these parties are ready to sleep with any other party to get the numbers right, rule the roost, share the spoils and make hay until the next time around. All these parties have undesirables in their ranks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    B) When the CMs from the other side of the divide shower accolades on him, what more I can add. I believe they are right. Down the years, he has indeed been a good policy maker and an excellent administrator – as the Chief Minister and as the Agriculture Minister.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks. Mr. Uday Kotak of Kotak Mahendra was
    here last week where all the investors were invited and
    I being a very small investor with them was also there.
    One of the fund of Kotak — Infrastructure Fund — which
    they had introduced about two years back is doing very badly. — Luckily I am not invested in that –. At the end of Mr. Kotak’s speech, almost everyone asked him about this fund. He blamed it on NREGA. He said because of this scheme, inflation has gone up as this money is not being used to build any assets and is being distributed freely without getting any work done.
    It seems like a vote buying scheme.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There you are. Need I say anything more about Pawar? People are not ready to give him the credit he deserves for variety of reasons and keep blaming him for inflation – Agriculture is primarily falls under the jurisdiction and responsibility of the state governments. The central agriculture ministry is only a coordinator and a facilitator.

    To certain extent, NREGA is vote buying scheme, aren’t all policies are such? On the other hand, it is like giving out dole to the really needy – the fact there is a lot of corruption in its implementation by the states is worrisome.

    I asked earlier
    Straight Politics and Economics?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar- This is interesting. Pawar has made some noise about the indecisiveness in UPA; he is grooming his daughter; Modi’s calculation may be to co opt Pawar in NDA, and capture a good share of Maharashtra’s lok sabha seats!

    Pawar may fall for NDA if they promise a good berth for Ms Shule

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    See my response to Mohan re: NCP aligning with NDA. I do not foresee that will happen.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am writing to you as I read, that it is in reply to me but addessed specially to Gopi.
    I have never lived in Maharashtra, though visited it several times, specifically Mumbai, hence I have no experience of Pawar’s administrative prowesses. However, I am acutely aware that during his chief Ministership, all the notorious goons thrived and then became larger than life. I can not believe that they did not have his tolerance( for political and other reasons?) for them. Once famous Bombay Police has been reduced to a corrupt force in subsequent years. People like Khairnar have been vicimized etc. I believe, every part of India had such stories but loss of mumbai rankles more somehow. If Pawar has done good for Indian Agriculture, my best wishes for him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    1) My post was specifically addressed to Gopi only because of his (extreme) opinions on both Modi and Pawar – one a paragon and another crook.

    2) The standards and effectiveness of the Bombay Police (once touted as next to Scotland yard) began to go down the drain after the 1992-93 riots in the aftermath of the demolition of the Babri Masjid. The network of informers (khabaris) which the police had built up over decades simply became non-functional, on account of the partisan role played by the Police in the mayhem. They have never been as effective since then. Without the effective network, the police were not able to control the underworld and part of that period was when Pawar was the CM – you can point fingers at him. Only in the last few years, the underworld has been kept in check to certain extent.

    You do not have to believe me regarding Pawar’s abilities and acumen. The voices are of the non-NCP CMs. It is entirely up to you and others to believe them or trash them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    1) My post was specifically addressed to Gopi only because of his (extreme) opinions on both Modi and Pawar – one a paragon and another crook.

    2) The standards and effectiveness of the Bombay Police (once touted as next to Scotland yard) began to go down the drain after the 1992-93 riots in the aftermath of the demolition of the Babri Masjid. The network of informers (khabaris) which the police had built up over decades simply became non-functional, on account of the partisan role played by the Police in the mayhem. They have never been as effective since then. Without the effective network, the police were not able to control the underworld and part of that period was when Pawar was the CM – you can point fingers at him. Only in the last few years, the underworld has been kept in check to certain extent.

    You do not have to believe me regarding Pawar’s abilities and acumen. The voices are of the non-NCP CMs. It is entirely up to you and others to believe them or trash them.

    engrich Reply:

    BLOOD LINK IS MORE STRONGER THAN RELIGIOUS CONNECTION.during communal riot memons are only looted not killed,as they are bania convert.

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  • Dr Mishra

    hahaha
    Balwinder praaji, priceless ‘Oye VIJAY, wear expensive sherwani or tuxedo when u go to Arelia, khota kahin jeans mein na pahuch jaaye. You r representative of tbis gentleman blog. And tell them to invite us to their New year eve party. Tell them hum Mishraji key sasural se hain ‘

    and Vijay you had me in stitches ‘ I will make sure I hide my lathe’ ka dhariyon wala kachcha and stop eating baer from beri when I go to Aralia ‘
    Impossible sometimes to stay away from this blog

    sorry to disappoint, but the trip to gorgeous Aralia was a one off- I may not get invited again

    welcome to blog SHEKHAR GANDOTRA- you have sussed out the characters quite well already. Vijay is a bright young engineering alcoholic from Noida, Gopi Thomas is a very proud and strong malyalee who thinks Modi and Jayalaita will team up and shake India up, Balwinder praaji is from England who wrestles idiots to the ground or kills them with humour and Mr Shenoy is a poetry speaking Bank manager from Bangalore who is a staunch BJP supporter and whose raison detre is to get under Vinod Sharma’s skin.
    And engrich is tajender, is ramavtar- but real name Mootander Hussain- blames everything on brahminists and zionists. If he burns his toast, he says the RSS DID IT

    Finally, I am a golfing sailor, sometime doctor from Yorkshire, who if cut, will bleed tiranga. India is my passion. Good night Shekhar, pl do stay, this blog is like Golmaal meets hera pheri, meets Munna bhai MBBS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,

    poetry has never been my passion and I started the limericks on this blog only, just a year ago, with a “poem” of New year wishes to Vinodji. Therefore, if not for anything, I must remain grateful to him and his blog for lighting that ‘chirag’ of shayari in me.

    As a new year resolution, I have decided to avoid any kind of confrontations with him or ‘getting under his skin’ as you have so aptly described.

    AND I HAVE GREAT EXPECTATIONS FROM HIM IN THE COMING YEARS.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji,

    You have written a best line on Tajender,

    “” If he burns his toast, he says the RSS DID IT “”

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    engrich Reply:

    mishrajee my name is not motander hussain.i put most of the evils of this country on brhmnst(not on brhmns)i am serious about.brhmns like zoinism is anti-god shaitani force.responsible for most of bomb blasts communal riots money swindling in india.
    sonia is confronting these criminals.that is why i salute her.

    savarkar was atheist and off course foriengner.main suspect of ghandhi murder case.off course homosexual.zoinism/brhmnsm u cannot climb the ladder of succes till u are not homosexual.my closest friend is also mishra ,he told me that RSS IS BEGGEST CENTRE OF SODOMY IN INDIA.
    he divided india and indian society.but now their end game is near.brhmncl tyranny is coming to an end.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    Thank you for the introductions. The blog certainly seems lively.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi, this one is specially for you:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    From wher do u get all these ? Nice one. (: ( :

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mostly from FB

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    Anonymous Reply:

    great—thanks!

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  • Anonymous

    Mishraji, your summary is incomplete for Shikhar Gandotra
    Balwindet, myself, is millionaire Labour supportet in Hayes ( we Punjabis always mention our wealth in introduction hehe)
    Cingulategyrus is Dr Shan, got a big complex cos he got MBBS on reservation and worships whites like hell and hates Indians. Mr Shenoy ccalled it Shwethalingam aarakshan. He is now 35 yrs old, still unmarried, r u surprised, which proud indian grl wud luk at him
    Gopi Thomas and Mishraji are excellent historians and ooze SWAABHIMAAN
    Ashish is bong communist lineage who writes like silk, he uses words like paradigm, showoff
    Mohan is a bewda, always on the run in Dubai cos he smells of cheap whiskey
    Vijay is sweet boy, also cant get married for when he takes jeans off and girl sees his dhaari wwale kachhey and runs for her life
    Ravi, last year ppl attacked said he is Pakistani. This year he has reinvented himself as Congressi, anti RSS and anti Vijay/shenoy man. Has got boring now
    Rajiiv and Mishra doc are Pakistan experts, know evrything
    RajeeevS, different man hates islam
    WELCOME GANDOTRA TO GENTELMAN BLOG, I AM BLOG KOTWAL

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Showoff Mohan ? I am surprised Balwinderji. It is you who is calling himself a millionaire here and you also have a habit of dropping names regularly..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, I called Ashidh showoff, not you. You need to go to specsavers, you r my fav alcoholic here along with Vijay
    And I have to live up to my punjabi yuppie stereotype PUPPY, have to mention my millions

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I got it wrong. My apologies. I dont know how to use these specsavers, I will
    ask my son to teach me. One day we will sit together and
    have ” cheap whiskey ‘

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  • Anonymous

    @Gandotra, Balwinder sandhu has been variously called TROLL , “YOU DO NOT READ BECAUSE YOU CANNOT READ” Airhead, Cabbage head etc
    His business is KABUTERBAJI (human trafficking). Where I live in Gravesend , I see this kabuterbaji all the time.You come across them in the street RAW , STRAIGHT FROM THE VILLAGES OF PUNJAB.Given the immigration laws are so strict now a days , IT CAN BE ONLY BALWINDER SANDHUS BRINGING THEM IN.
    In fact once there was a police raid and they arrested a lot of people.
    Most of them are carted of to the farms in Kent for vegetable picking.
    EVERY CROOKERY COMMITTED BY A BROWN COLOURED PEOPLE IN UK , THE STATISTICS SHOWS 90%OF THE TIME IT IS EITHER A BAINS OR A GREWAL OR A SANDHU OR SAHOTA ETC
    Even a doctor (there are about 30 from a population of 600000 sardars) was false billing the govt and avoiding GMC proceeding by feigning illness, till a police surveillance camera exposed his lie.

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  • Anonymous

    HE SHOULD BE OUR ICON.
    ______________________________

    Why is Patna crying for this cop?

    Shivdeep Waman Lande
    Former SP (city), Patna.

    Before he was suddenly transferred, Patna city SP Shivdeep Waman Lande received an average of 300 SMSes every day, mostly from love-struck girls, some even carrying marriage proposals. On the day of his transfer, the number of SMSes crossed almost 2,000. There was more to come. The heartburn soon translated into candlelight marches and mass protests demanding the cancellation of the IPS officer’s transfer.

    Lande became a reallife hero after an incident of attempted molestation involving a girl and three drunks in the heart of the city. The girl called him up for help (almost every college girl had his mobile number), and Lande landed at the spot within minutes. The girl was rescued while the molesters absconded, only to be captured by Lande’s team within a week.

    When he was not rescuing fair maidens, Lande was cracking down on spurious drugs, pirated DVDs, cosmetics and spurious edible items.

    The son of a farmer, he studied throughout on scholarships. An engineering grad, he quit IRS to join IPS in 2006. His crackdown on spurious drugs, cosmetics and edible items; his 24X7 availability on phone and promptness to rescue damsels in distress; his raids on shady cybercafes and his ‘Dabangg’-like strictness in dealing with the high and mighty violating traffic rules saw him rise and shine in the eyes of the citizens.

    Lande donates 60% to 70% of his pay to the Sangathan which organizes mass marriages of poor girls and runs coaching classes and a hostel for students in Akola to “aid them realize their dreams”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Quite uplifting!

    Of course Manu Joseph will not write about this!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Will he not, now.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Shenoy Sahab;
    These officers restore faith in India back, to some extent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very inspiring. Thanks.

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  • Ravi

    Gopi

    Why is it that an educated man like you wishes to discuss Manu Joseph rather than the points he makes.

    He is a commentator not God. By all means address the points he makes.

    The fact he is ambitious should not disqualify him from commenting.

    I do not buy this idea that he is selling his country down the drain just so he could climb the greasy pole, to earn filthy lucre.

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    engrich Reply:

    ravi this gopi is rss propagandist and liar of highest order.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich,

    One thing I always appreciate about you. You know everyone very well
    even without meeting them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He is not alone. There are two others on this blog who also everyone very well even with out meeting them.

  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    A worth reading link. Shekar Gupta had been writing Pro UPA articles lately but in this post he is totally opposite. I am not rejoicing in the predicament of UPA, infact, I had good opinion of this dispension to begin with and as far as foreign policy is concerned, I still do not oppose them, except Krishna, who appears to be incompetent in his role as FM. No need to read whole article. Only first paragraph will do.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-that-sinking-feeling/886142/2

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Good article. Stock market is again going down, Rupee has also started
    depreciating more. May be few more slaps are required to turn the tide.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mohan;
    All responsible Indians should be concerned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    The gist of the article is that the co-operation between the parties is non-existent due to the arrogance of the Congress Party and the hostile attitude of the opposition in particular the BJP.

    Who suffers? The country, as no bills are passed or if at all they are passed without debate because of the din in the parliament.

    Hence, my view, which I have said earlier, let there be a General election and let the people decide once more as to what type of dispensation we desire. The political parties will then know where they stand.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I read in the HT today, that TalibAnna will oppose Congress in the General Election.

    Here is a surprise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No surprises.

    I have never believed Anna and especially his team that they were in to fight corruption, per se. They are another front to take on the Congress with surreptitious backing and support by we all know who.

    They are not even prepared to wait and see as to what view the parliament as a whole takes. The Standing Committee’s draft is not the final version, it is what it is – a draft. The draft will be debated, amended and then voted upon in both the houses of the parliament separately and the Congress does not even enjoy majority in the Rajya Sabha.

    As as aside, one of my friends, who was a die-hard Anna supporter, now has changed his mind now – saying one cannot keep threatening that he will go and fast every now and then. Wonder how many more have started having second thoughts. May be he is in a minority of one.

    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar:
    how many people threaten suicide every day? Why are none of them taken seriously by the government?
    The government could simply pick Anna Hazare up, chain him to a hospital bed and force-feed him. Why does it not do so?
    Manohar, it is not Anna.It is not Kiran Bedi, it is not Arvind Kejriwal, it is not Shanti Bhushan.
    It is the cause.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No they will not. pick Anna and ….
    I think they will simply ignore him and his team.

    Yes, it is the cause. The question is – which one?

    AshishC Reply:

    Just so that there is no ambiguity about which “track” I am riding on: Anna’s fast captured public imagination because of the long pent of fury of the public about the lying, deceitful thieves and dacoits that make up UPA- presided over in name by a PM who is unable to accept any responsibility- collective or otherwise, unable to move his backside to get any policy decisions through.
    I have heard this piece of bravado before- go ahead, ignore and see what happens. The public, rightly or wrongly thinks now, more than ever that Congress is out to loot the country and that is why it is opposed to Lokpal- as we know, perception is reality.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    the congressie troll said the same thing the last time too and then the congress went down on its knees to beg Anna to break his fast.

    Now he is taking the line that the government will ignore him (first).

    One thing the grand old party and its trolls here are adept at is the consummate skill with which they love eating the humble pie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Thanks for the link. Earlier, Shekhar Gupta’s column – National Interest used appear every Saturday, now it is little sporadic. Generally at the weekends I look for his column, as he is one journalist I admire the most. He has always called a spade a spade. You saved me the trouble of the search. I will read it in detail soon. Here I will comment on the specific para you wish me to read.

    He is right. UPA is a waiting game as far as the core Congress people (whoever they are) are concerned. IMO, Rahul Gandhi or anyone else from the family will not join the Government or will choose to be the Prime Minister till such time the Congress does not have absolute majority on its own. That wait may last for a very long time, much to the delight of people, who are opposed to the family.

    Elsewhere here or in the previous blog, I had discussed as to who would be a better External Affairs Minister than S M Krishna. The names that were floated around were Anand Sharma and Kapil Sibal. They seem to be capable, however, I am not sure whether they have any in-depth expertise of diplomacy and foreign affairs. S M Krishna is clearly a misfit – he is there because of loyalty, if you ask me. Shashi Tharoor has been sidelined by the Congress loyalists/sycophants – the reasons for his resignation as Minister of State were excuses to tell Johny-come-lately (Tharoor) that are far ‘more loyal and sycophantic’ Congress people, who are “more deserving” to be ministers. What a waste of talent and experience.

    If you wish we could discuss the rest of his column later. The BJP has not been shown in shining light either.

    BTW: the bloggers who took me on re: using the term Hindu Rate of Growth can now lambast Shekhar Gupta for doing the same (last para).

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  • shekhar gandotra

    @ mr Gopi, Vijay and Ravi

    Your description of Manu Joseph reminds me of Pankaj Mishra. I will tell you a true incident.

    Around eleven years back, when Bill Clinton came to India, the LeT wanted to show India as a scary terror hit place. It staged the murder of 50 Sikhs in Kashmir. One of those killed was a cousin of mine. The LeT terrorists wore Rashtriya Rifles uniforms and even said jai Hind at the murder site after the killings to make it look like an Indian government encounter.

    Locals recognised some fo the terrorists as those form the nearby villages. Even the families of those killed knew that the killers were from the Salahuddin group and Hizbul also.

    But when all the national press as well as the locals could see through the terrorist game, Pankaj Mishra used this as an opportunity for personal publicity. he rushed to the New York Times office and claimed that the killers were actually Indian government soldiers. Absolute lies. But then he needed money and publicity becasue Clinton was here.

    These guys are Ba- – - – - – - who will sell their mother and mohterland for publicity and money.

    I hope Manu joseph stay clear of this sort of nonsense.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    I remember that horrible incident. Even grand old journalist Mr. Kushwant Singh
    in one of his article tried to put the blame on Indian government.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    In Jammu every bachcha new which village the killers were from. Sadly a few of the murdrers knew the innocents killed and had an eye on their property.

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    engrich Reply:

    why not inform to police.

    Ravi Reply:

    Do you think that a comparison between Manu Joseph and Pankaj Mishra is a fair one?

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Raviji

    I hope manu Joseph does not go onto that track.

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    engrich Reply:

    personal publicity. he rushed to the New York Times office and claimed that the killers were actually Indian government soldiers

    this is fact after 1947 never any sikh iskilled because of religion in kashmir or inpakistan.why they will do no.terrorist will not give bad name to themselves.

    jewish couple of shadab house in mumbai was killed by nsg bullets.according to postmortem report.this was widely published.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    pankaj Mishra is a seller; succeeded beyond his dreams by peddling the dalits to the westerners..a so called poor man from hard circumstances …no different from the so called holocaust victims committing a holocaust on palestinians..well he has big time supporters there i the group.
    Manu is working hard to get there. He will. In fact he may even go one step further ; he will himself create a tragedy (believe me , some malayali christians are cutthroats, truly ruthless )

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yet another character assisination.

    What are your views of Tarun Vijay??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tarun Vijay is a role model for many of the bloggers here.

    Ravi Reply:

    It seems so, that is why his character has never been attacked.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The clones can never attack the original.

  • engrich

    there are 2 hot news,

    1.Six Zionist Companies Own 96% Of American Media
    Facts Of Zionist Jewish Media Control
    2.iran has captured americas most modern stealth drone.fully intact.brought it down with electronic signals.

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  • Anonymous

    Google refused to heed the advice of Mr. Sibal. This is reply they get from
    our government.

    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-12-08/news/30490345_1_google-india-income-tax-dept-tax-office

    Youtube, Face book,

    Dont worry, you both wont be left out. Your turn will also come. Keep your
    lawyers ready.

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  • Anonymous

    Excerpt from Shekkhar Gupta’s National Interest, which is really disturbing

    While nobody is investing and manufacturing is at a standstill, top-level indecision in the government and the resultant bureaucratic hijack have combined to create conditions which could take the Indian banking system to a catastrophe. Banks have an exposure of nearly Rs 5 lakh crore to the power sector which is now threatened by the self-inflicted confusion over the availability of coal. Another Rs 1 lakh crore worth of loans to the steel sector are similarly jeopardised because of the serial mining ban in iron as well as coal. The telecom sector, with loans of nearly Rs 3 lakh crore, is again in a spin because of policy confusion and woolly-headedness. Add another Rs 20,000 crore in aviation and other assorted industries, and you have India’s banks looking at Rs 10 lakh crore worth of loans threatened by bad government policy, indecision or the return of old-fashioned extortion. No wonder Indian banking stocks are declining twice as fast as those of other major companies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-
    Added to this is anothers et of issues – we (indian banks) borrow fom Eropean banks for short term dollar needs; th reason rupee went down had to do with the “scarcity” of dollar due to the Euopean criss.
    Things could be shining here while almost everywhere else (except china and Brazil) it is bad.. BJP works overtime to lose election, UPA work overtime to lose economy..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    BJP works overtime to lose election, UPA work overtime to lose economy..

    You are right. Many of the ministers and others today are like bulls in a single china shop.

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  • Anonymous

    Interesting news item
    ——————————

    Anna Hazare to be invited to campaign against Narendra Modi govt

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_anna-hazare-to-be-invited-to-campaign-against-narendra-modi-govt_1624126

    A BJP rebel in Gujarat is planning to invite anti-graft crusader Anna Hazare to launch a state-wide campaign against the Narendra Modi government.

    Click the link and read on.

    The big question is – Will Anna oblige?

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  • Dr Mishra

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-11-24/patna/30437024_1_sp-officers-ips
    A ‘Dabangg’ & a good Samaritan

    Mr Shenoy dabang article about dabang social crusader *** cop, many thanks
    What was ver interesting about him was …’ Ask the Maharashtrian the difference between policing in Bihar and Maharashtra, and pat came the reply: job satisfaction. “You know why? Political interference in Bihar is negligible”

    hmmmm

    also how come RAVIand engrich you dont post uplifting articles like this one? Dont you feel proud of Indians like him?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    We leave such articles for you.

    How else would you be able to say “Mera Bharat Mahan”.

    As I said Dog bites man is no news

    Man bites dog is.

    To be brutally frank 100000s of stories from India are very uplifting, even the article I linked from Nilanjana had many people working to eradicate poverty.

    It uplifted me.

    Indian people are very generous, the society is not.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    pl post nilanjana article again, cant find it

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thank Mishraji.
    You have carried story farther, originally given by Shenoy. It is even more interesting indeed.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Ravi, the Nilanjana article is depressing because it confirms my belief that without population control, India’s massive progress will be diluted. and will result in all sorts of diseases and crimes

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    I would agree with you that over population is an issue in India. Had that not been the case then per capita income would have grown to lift most people’s living standard to western European levels.

    But the population is what it is, our Indian society is diffrenet and does not have such central controls the likes of which China has been implimenting since the last 3 decades.

    As general level of education improves then the population would decline.

    In any case coming back to the point of upliftment, Mrs Kaur’s work among the poor who live under the Metro near Patel Nagar is very uplifting. The over-all tone of the article is realist and balanced.

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  • Anonymous

    @the british citizens of this blog(SmugB mishra, his sidekick buffon balls sandhu and Ravi) . I think rather than worry about India India , there is plenty to worry about UK.
    This is in reference to Cameron wielding his Veto in EU summit , blocking a new treaty.So 26 states on one side britain alone twiddling its thumb. GOD KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT.Will britain be booted out or it will be so difficult , britain will pull out. And what about the consequences.40% of britain’s trade is with EU.
    Intelligent bloggers comment invited(automatically excludes balls sandhu)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    For one, this leaves UK quite isolated. I do not think Cameron has the ‘chutzpah” to guide through these treacherous times by alienating Angela Markel, whose country is the strongest, and is growing at a hefty rate surprising all. (her unemployment rate is only 4%)

    17 Eurozone members are going to forge forward with leaving UK behind. It will create huge issues for UK if the European crisis is averted and Europe moves ahead. Brussels will become the financial capital instead of London.
    Britain will be relegated to the periphery of its biggest trading partner, if Europe comes out whole through this exercise. I also believe there is a residual anger against Britain because Cameron tried to get leverage out of EU during its crisis. British leaders of yesteryears have always got concessions while holding up treaties. Twenty years ago John Major won key opt-out clauses from the Masterich treaty, that led to the creation of EU. Cameron did not win any concessions

    The new grouping finds UK outnumbered 26 to 1; it will be hard for UK to influence wider EU policy. In fact many European politicians have started saying that Britain has returned to a role of an obstructionist.
    Pretty soon there will be a financial transaction tax on the UK transaction in the London exchange. He wanted to keep London “as is”; we will see

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have always held the view that the half-baked European Union was a bad idea from the start. The model has not and will never work. Worse was the monetary union. Other measures such as no travel restrictions and MFN status for the members are fine and that is where they should have stopped.

    The British Government seems to be right in rejecting the new treaty.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I beg to disagree

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The question toask as to how many of them say I am an European rather British or French or Greek or Finnish?

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Fair question, and the answer is not many.

    The reason for that is simple. People can associate themselves with their HISTORICAL identities; French, German, English etc. easily. Newer identities such as British (in contrast to Irish, Welsh, Scots and English) takes time, and inordinately long period of time. Let us not forget that German as an identity is quite recent, forged out of galvanising several principalities, such as Bavaria, Prusia, etc.

    By the same token, European Identity will take some time to evolve and what you and I are witnessing is a WIP project, with the right objectives, but bad management.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I doubt that is going to happen.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    better book your return ticket to Kolkatta.

    After the hospital fire, you will be an honoured “phoren returned” daktar, and Mamta Di will herself be there to receive you at the Kolakatta bunder to receive you with a phool maala, when your Somali pirate ship makes its return voyage.

    But show yourself on the deck, unlike when you escaped to UK in the hold of the pirate dhow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    4000 mega stores have closed down in England in the last seven months alone!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is that so??

    Keep sniffing.

    Ravi Reply:

    In my opinion Cameron was wrong.

    He has gained nothing but has potentially isolated Britain from the EU

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    Krishna should be let go because of the FIR on the mining issue – it just does not make sense to have one in the ministry (even if he were the foreign affairs guru). It is high time that our politicians/govt be in sync with the people and do not hide behind legal mumbo jumbo.

    Shashi Taroor will be a good replacement – he is younger, has a world view, has access to US powers, is articulate… I am of the opinion that USA is weak now, we should forge a multi-faceted relationship with them that includes investment, technology transfer, defence etc etc.

    I was a good fan of Kabil; but it looks like he is more hot headed than brain headed. I will still consider him as a capable guy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not think S M Krishna has been a foreign policy expert. FIR or no FIR, he should not be there, if you ask me. We need a better person in the hot seat.

    The Kapil Sibal saga is still being played out, let us wait for a few days and see where it ends up.

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  • Anonymous

    TV Channel goes off after report on Raman

    http://epaper.indianexpress.com/c/9666

    Excerpt

    ETV’ MP’s Chhatisgarh bureau chief Sailesh Pandey said ‘This is Dadagiri .. cable operators have been asked to switch off our channel. If you disagree with a report refute it. We ran a balanced story – the allegations against the CM and his response’.

    Censorship, anyone?

    PS: The image of the news story does not show up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like silence is not only golden, but also very convenient.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi,

    You must have felt a bit sad that Kapil Sibal, who, you thought, would one day become the Patel of modern India or even the PM, is being hauled over the caols, mauled on the net, ridiculed in the media and pissed over on the wall posters (see picture).

    He tried to act Net Nanny, but most netizens are young and clear-headed, unlike himself, who had NO IDEA about how big the net has grown.

    Indira Gandhi imposed press censorship and she lost.
    Rajiv Gandhi tried to bring in censorship and he lost.
    Kapil Sibal has tried to bring in censorship, and the result will be the same.

    In the first two instances, the congress was on a strong wicket, when censorship was brought.
    Now, even before Sibal blundered into the muddle, the government was already on its last breaths. Therefore, most likely, this time, it will be innings defeat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS
    Good observations.
    What behooves me is the total lack of timing, coordination, priority etc. Looks like they just throw something out hoping it sticks – FDI, netnanny,…
    Just wait, they will totally screw up the handling of the announced one day fast of Anna.
    Kapil’s loyalty is severely compromising his abilities and capabilities and judgment

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  • Anonymous

    NOISE IS MEASURED IN DECIBELS. NONSENSE IS MEASURED IN SIBALS!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Poor kapil Sibal
    poetry likhene ka shauk thaa

    Ab Digviash ke court mein ban gaya Birbal…

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  • Anonymous

    Fake Ravi, here is the link: (after finishing the ‘read’, go back to your cocaine)

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Swaminomics/entry/online-shopping-is-the-real-threat-to-small-shopkeepers

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    Ravi Reply:

    28 carat genuine Hindu Fundo Shenoy.

    Arvind Singhal is an Indian Journalist, not an expert on UK retail sector.

    There is no concept of Mega Stores in the UK, let alone 4000 of these to have closed because of competition from eCommerce.

    In the UK there are corner stores (often reffered to as **** stores), Super-Markets, Department Stores, Boutiques, Delicatasens, Shops, Green Grocers, Butchers, Take-aways and more recntly Polish Skelps.

    Sorry no Mega Stores.

    I know reading and thinking simultaneously is not your forte.

    Keep sniffing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    About 12% of the population in Bangalore is illiterate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    88% are genuises including IT professionals, entrepreneurs and bloggers…

    Ravi Reply:

    Sadly your friend is far from being one of them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One only wishes that your barometer to measure excellence and scholarship was much higher.

  • Anonymous

    In Saudi Arabia if ban on women driving is lifted they will turn to prostitiution
    and in ten years there will be no virgins left.

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/far-fetched-fatwas-on-the-rise-1.948337

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When it comes to justifying anything ludicrous, logic, commonsense and intelligence is thrown to the winds.

    Don’t we see that happening in India too? The latest those opposing FDI inretail. This also keeps happening here on this blog too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice comparison. Opposing FDI with fatwas .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Een einstein would be puzzled with this one…

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~ EVEN NDTV and AND ALL PARTIES back Anna now~~ Yuvraj ko thaenga ! ~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Vinodji you have to hand it to this grand old man called Anna. He may not like Johny Walker ( which makes him persona non grata with newsmen) BUT HE WILL RAM IN THE LOKPAL WHICH THE CONGRESSIS DELAYED FOR 42 YEARS !!!

    To all the trolls who tried to knock down Anna– the news is Brinda karat was at jantar Mantar. She is Prannoy Roy’s sister in law. SO NDTV will now take the Anna line …

    O Boy !! Yuvraj and Digvinash will be doing salsa alone now !! With Kapil Sibal singing like KL Saigal

    Hum jee lar kya karenge…
    Jab dil hi toot gaya….

    Their plan of giving the credit of Lokpal to the mandbuddhi prince has failed !!

    Wah Wah Wah!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I suspect something fishy. I may be wrong but most probably after
    few days Rahul Gandhi will agree with all the points of Jan Lokpal and
    will make sure that it is passed by the parliament and will take all the credit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    The game is about winning marks and points in the public mind. team Digviansh relied on Amar Singh dahla and cohorts to demolish team Anna.

    They succeeded partly, intitally. but lost mostly.

    They tried to ram in a weak Lokpal and give the credit to Yuvraj for achieving what India could not do for 42 years.

    But here they have failed with Anna’s masterstroke. My getting all parites at jantar mantar, the public now believes that only the Congress is against it.

    Further class B and class C employees which the public is harrassed by most were demanded by anna and rejected by team Amar singh dhala and his assosciate Yuvraj. here too team Anna is winning.

    In the end … well Congress may just lose the biggest issue of the decade…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    “the news is Brinda karat was at jantar Mantar. She is Prannoy Roy’s sister in law. SO NDTV will now take the Anna line …”

    maan gaye, ustaad.
    kyaa logic hai.

    Going by your logic, NDTV then surely must be the mouthpiece of the Comrades too since ……… Is that so?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you Manohar. I hope you meant it in sarcasm. But I was serious.

    It is not so much about ideology as you may want to beleive, but about opportunity.

    Look brother, as an employee of one of India’s largest corporate houses I used to chaperone my boss to the parties of some bigshots. At that level, it was all about personal interactions and connections.

    Now running my own small show… I do manage to interact with some big people… but dont pick up the opportunities which come my way as I am too much into tennis and blogging and love my life this way.

    Ten years back a strong man (guess who– ur beloved ’secular” strong man) from one of India;s biggest parties was willing to offer me the new Delhi ticket provided I donated one crore… not so much because he loved me. but because 1 crore was a big amount then and he loved chatting with my then girlfriend. At that point i had exactly rs 8000 in my bank and the party was the king of UP but had little chance in delhi. Neither did I luv their Mandal rhetoric.

    You may of course say… saala Vijay kya bakwaas kar raha hai. But I am trying to tell you that dont be caught with the imagery of Anna– khaki knicker– no daroo– morning parade– vande matrarm– Hindutva– babri masjid demolition– BJP.

    The CPM senses that the public mood is against corruption. So does NDTV. Brinda is a shrewd woman. She would rather ride the public mood than go against. Her going means that the NDTV wont create the ususal stories of bhoot-chudail-djinn– cummunalism against Anna.

    And that would be a huge victory as NDTV still does carry credibility.

    And yes,,,

    If you look into the reporting of NDTV when Prakash Karat was in power and the coverage CPM got to what it gets now… you will know what I mean that connections matter…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know you were serious.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course u r being sarcastic. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. NDTV has already made anna the Indian of the year. And I can swear on my chivas regal that they will play it both ways. Wont ditch Anna or the yuvraj… but will NOT invoke anna-babri masjid- narendra modi– rape rape, either..
    :)

    Ravi Reply:

    A woman goes to the police station and shouted Grape, Grape, Grape.

    The desk sargent says, surely madam you mean Rape, Rape, Rape.

    No says the women, there was a bunch of them.

    Ha ha ha Xmas crackers zindabad

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    is that you dancing and shouting “bottoms up” to angoor ki beti… ?

    And before u complain to the moral police… angoor ki beti as in jhoom babarbar jhoom sharabi…

    Ravi Reply:

    A glass of Rioja with Stilton cheeese is all I can manage.

    Ghalib choti sharab, par ab bhi kabhi, kabhi.

    Pita hoon roz-e-abr or shab-e-mahataab mein.

    You did advise that I needed to laugh a bit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    yeah I guess so . Even fighting armies in the times of Pandavas would sound the bugle and beat the retreat…

    Ravi Reply:

    No rest for the wicked and I am diabolical.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Me too. Cracpot even while sleeping…

  • Anonymous

    HOW CHICKEN IS COMING HOME TO ROOST FOR NDTV
    NDTV ran a programme on the fire tragedy at AMRI hospital , with a not to hidden agenda of having a snipe at Mamata.
    but behold ,what we heard at that programme will make Brinda karat’s WIG fyling off her head.
    The directors of AMRI name are as follows Sravan Todi , pawan Todi , some agarwal etc.
    NOW HOLY MACCARONI , ONE THE TODI IN THE BOARD IS A CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF CPM (This bhanda phor was done by a trinamool MP in the programme)
    Jyoti Basu got all his treatment in this AMRI. Their rise is entirely due to this unholy NEXUS.This was just a diagnostic centre CPM govt let it be converted to 7storey hospital where the road is so narrow fire brigade cannot get in.
    The leader of this SARVHARA AND JANDARDI party jyoti basu in one of his anual summer trip to england had his colonoscopy done in ST THOMAS HOSPITAL, uk’s premier hospital for a psychosomatic disorder called irritable bowel syndrome.
    I WILL PAY TO KNOW WHAT ASHISH’S DAD(exCPM) NOW THINKS OF THIS PARTY OF SCUMS
    the icing on the cake was the comment by the son in law of a victim of that fire tragedy.
    HE THANKED THE CHIEF MINISTER MAMATA FOR HER personal initiative IN TRYING TO BRING SOME DECORUM AND DECENCY after the aftermath of this tragedy by releasing the dead bodies without any hassle

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are concerned with the wig Brinda karat is wearing for health reasons, but why are you not ‘concerned’ to the same extent with the wig, SM Krishna ias wearing, which is decades old and which makes him forget where he is, which country he is representing in the UN and which is English and which is Spanish?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    i THINK YOU ARE A BIT HARSH ON kRISHNA , HE IS FAR FAR BETTER THAN THAT DAPPER PATIL , under whose nose 26/11 took place

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think u r far of themark. Pranab was the FM during the 26/11 attack and Patil was the Home Minister.

  • Anonymous

    @ Dr mishra

    Dont take the article in NYT too seriously.

    The issue in this country is about wealth creation and redistribution. Till 1990, we were obsessed with redistribution and ended up remaining poor.

    it took the vision of PV Rao– now dumped by the Congress to copy the agenda of the BJP to create wealth. Distribution would happen thru employment. And entrepreneurship.

    Unfortuntaly becasue of poor governance in the last few years our social schemes are lagging behind indices of growth. But it does not mean that we destroy the free market which created wealth in the first place.

    Many a journalist needs a break with a foreign paper. To get this they end up giving horror stories from India, I think the report is exactly that..

    What help will the citizens of new York give to india by reading this story. In the end it is only about the writer making money out if it…

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is purile hogwash.

    Nilinjana did not invent Chandani, India did.

    She merely reported on it. You would not have said that, had she joined in the drone of 8.8% drum beat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh…. Every journo or a writer has a model of getting an assignment from a foriegn news organisation. Nirad Chaidhari, Sasthi Bratha, Bilip Mukherji, ( all bongs by the way) Pankaj Mishra, and gang followed the horror story model. It worked partly becasue India was socialist then and the western press needed to tell its own readers that socialsims is bad.

    Naipul did the same… but Naipul crossed over once he realised that the biggest market of his books was India

    nilanjana serves nobody by copying that model. In case she needed to do something good she could have joined an NGO or for that matter written similar articles for outlook where she worked . She never did so.

    In the end these problems of abject poverty in lesser percentage of Indians (as compaed to before PV Rao took over) can only be solved by Indians.

    Mother teresa many have helped a few thousands… but she also told the world that Calcutta was a city of gutters. Unlike mother Teresa, Nilanjana is helping no-one… except herself.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Fair enough, but Chandani is for real, Mrs Kaur is for real.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Absolutely right. please see my note about Manu Joseph et al to an earlier entry by Ravi.

    As you mentioned, Indian growth is essentially a post-Rajiv Gandhi story – barely 20 years old. 64 years old “free” nation, but only 20 years of execution..

    As a historian, I sometimes wonder how much we would have come along if Nehru had adopted Chakravarthi Rajagopalachari’s economic ideas. I see a country with GDP larger than China’s, second only to US. Better late than never. The scholar politician when carrying Rajiv Gandhi’s urn to Benares, had a lot on his mind, the foremost being how to get the masses of Indians out of poverty.

    But we all should be glad that we did not become a tinder box and basket case like our neighbour to the west.

    However, the danger signs are all around us – eroding growth, rudderless govt, growing discomfort among “all” classes, the total ineptitude of the political class, internal and external terrorism, the levels of corruption (at least we are
    democratic on corruption – there were two news items last week – a peon in Ujjain having 15 plus crores of rupees worth assets, a sub inspector in Mumbai having 8 flats, 45 kilo of gold and 70 acres of land in Sholapur)

    Anna movement may well grow into a “screw parliament, screw judiciary, screw bureaucracy” movement — because of the total disconnect between the people and the political/bureaucratic class. It is high time we demolish the administrative systems set up by the British. It is corroding us.. I will take the political class; but let us revamp the IAS/IPS system.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I seldom disagree with you, On this I concur 1000%. By the way it is gr8 to know you are a historian. Hisroy was just a subejct when I did my schooling.

    But lately I feel that it has a lot to teach us in context of today and tomorrow…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji, Vijay,

    Agree with you. Most of the journalists who write degrading articles in foreign media is for money only.
    There is no other intention other than monetory benefit.

  • Anonymous

    Now the Muslim Brotherhood and the more extreme Salafists have won the Egypt election, it will be interesting to see how the whole jasmine revolution shapes up!
    Is it one giant step backward?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    The Salfists winning is bad news, Borotherhood are slowly reforming themselves.

    Egypt lacks strong and organised secular institutions and they were unable to campaign hard during the pre-election time period.

    Egypt’s Army is watching and is unlikely to allow Salafis to lead. Some form of accomodation between the Army and the Brotherhood is the most likley conclusion of this election.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was all for the young boys and girls in Tahrir Square – I honestly believed that 1) it gave a “clean” (pardon me) image of Muslims, that the youngsters are like youngsters anywhere, desirous of a good future and the ability to pursue their lives the way they see; I believe it gave a glimpse to the world that all are not jehadis 2) the secularists and moderates will rule the day and Egyptians will not trade one dictatorship for another even dismal dictatorship of the mind.

    I hope the Brotherhood adapts immediately to a more moderate style and do not insist on Islamic law to be implemented etc. There is a vibrant Coptic Christian minority there; who has been there for ages; it will be a sad state that they survived under Nasser and Mubarek, but not under a “democratic” government.

    I pray that Salafis are marginalized, and Muslim Brotherhood is far removed from its Al Sawahari days

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    Ravi Reply:

    Amen

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    My few days in cairo and some interaction with egyptian engineers in Dubai fills me with hope that they would be secular. However…

    A thesis by an American posted in Afghanistan makes me wonder…

    What were your dreams when u were 16? He asked me

    “Playing tennis like Vijay Amritraj, dating Zeenat Aman and maybe qualifying for IIT..” I replied.

    ” Well in case you were asked ot live your life exactly as per one book… and nothing else… what would your life be? ” he asked me.

    I fear that is what may happen.

    This American was once posted in Paksitan on a UN mission in 1990. That was when they trained tthe Taliban. Now the kick has come back on their face. The same may happen in Egypt… in case the radicals trained in Pakistan manage to become the ideologues of the Egyptian revolution.

    Ravi Reply:

    This is so off the mark that if it deviated half a degree more, it would hit the target from behind.

    This is irrational fear based on anecdotes rather than dispassionate analysis.

    Me thinks you know SOHO more than Cairo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not rising to the bait as I am about to crash into bed… with a tennis elbow. But I am sure Soho does remain a part of ur soul… as it come into ur conversation at the drop of a …. leaf.

    Hassen yadein… na bhula sake ho aap
    Unn goriyon ki nigah jo kaatil thi’

    It is not of the mark simply because nobdoy inpower till date has had the guts to tell Muslims that the Koran can be wrong. That it was written 1400 years back. There was life before and life after…

    There is nothing like the final word.

    The American I am talking about was part of Charlie wilson’s team which created maths like

    2 bullets + 2 bullets= 4 dead Soviets.

    And the dumb Taliban are still speaking that math.

    Ravi Reply:

    Last I looked, there were no Taliban in Egypt.

    Your maths lesson too belongs to the Soviet era and not the Post Therir Sq equation.

    I stand by my assesment of your analytical methods.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are missing the point that there are huge seminaries in Pakistan which create radical ideolgoues who then spread the plague all over the world.

    Why would British Muslims get seduced when they visit Pakistan for a few weeks?

    It is jus the agenda, once created by the haravrd educated Americans to kill the soviets now being used byt he ISI

    Ravi Reply:

    British Muslim are of Pakistan Origin with deep connections to their homes. UK maulvis are out and out agents of Wahabi’s. So that is understandable, but not extendable to Egypt.

    engrich Reply:

    wahabism is local response to imperialism.this is temporary phenomenon which will go with occupiers.

    engrich Reply:

    . That it was written 1400 years back. There was life before and life after

    islam has no compulsion.why u r worried about us.think how brhmnsm is looting and destroying india.
    there is no wahabi in india.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    One thing I heard from my friends in Dubai is that nobody likes Egyptians there – one item that came as a surprise to me was that “they were not cultured” (although the world always dwells on the Egyptian history and culture)..
    Ravi’s statement, that the Brotherhood is moderating and Salafists will be “controlled” by the army, if correct, may give a reason for hope.

    But that is a “big if”. Time will tell

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    The USofA has greater leverage over Egypt than Saudi do.

    QED

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    The two engineers I interacted were surprisingly pretty cultured though chain smokers (40 cigarettes a day)

    And yes they were conscious that Egypt lie Dubai has no oil.. so it has to survive on tourism for which it has to remain a place of belle dancing and daroo. Much like Dubai !

    However conmen of the religious variety can make people go mad. ur religion is in danger… u got to follow the book… the world is out to cheat u… ur mothers and sisters are going to be exploited, save them.

    That sort of shit could win even in the age of the net and facebook.

    engrich Reply:

    One thing I heard from my friends in Dubai is that nobody likes Egyptians there – one item that came as a surprise to me was that “they were not cultured” (although the world always dwells on the Egyptian history and culture)..

    this is absolutly wrong.egyptian are like indian.a good slave with 5000 years history.
    palestanians are hard.because of their brought up in refugee camps.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopij,

    You are right. Egyptians are not held in
    high esteem and ” they are not cultured ”
    is commonly used for them. There is a
    fear of extreme fundamentalist taking over
    Egypt. Brotherhood is trying to change their
    image. Lets hope they do what they preach.
    Its a wait and watch situation.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    My interaction with Egyptians left me bewildered. Some of them were quite liberal and few of them were quite orthodox. Clearly, there are two streams of thinking running parallel and in conflict. Victory of Brotherhood left me depressed as their history is suspect. Let us keep our fingers crossed, whether, Egypt will emerge as more moderate and progressive or more regressive in coming time. I find people here defending brotherhood. Ha.

    engrich Reply:

    thanks to american zoinist policies in middle east.all their agents all over world are thieves and robbers.like **** rulers.pakistan also 82%support musim rule.it is not step backward it is step towards honest and better distribution of wealth.osni mubarak was 97billion i a country where common marries at 45 due to lack of wealth.

    gilani was lower middle class before becoming pm now his sns drives cars worth 3 crores.it is public response to corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One has to hold one’s horses, before jumping to conclusions, as has been the norm here too. One has to allow the event / process to play out.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Inder malhotra’s article in Indian Express. Pakistan’s perfidy as early as 1955, much before 1962. People who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. Deal with Pakistan only from a position of strength, weak India will get only derision and lot of mischief.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/fishing-in-troubled-waters/886586/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a recent book by Pamela Constable ” pkistan at war with itself” chronicling recent events starting from the 2010floods.. It is a sad story, a story about a counry that has lost its hope
    However, as long as they have nuclear weapons, there is nothinh much we can do other than being very vigilant.,

    Ravi, regrdig Salafistsvictory in egypt – the Al Nour party is worse than the Salafists.. However nobody is sure about what the islamists will do, and how Tantawi will deal with the Islamists. My take is that egypt ha sto go thru the IUslamist party befofre settling on secularists. The whole thing brings another black mark for us , esp with the world attentoon

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My LIMITED understanding of the islamic populace.
    Egypt and for that the matter ENTIRE middle east and NORTH AFRICA was COLONISED for 1000 yrs. FIRST BY THE TURKS , then by the Christian European powers. IT WAS A RUTHLESS COLONISATION not a benevolent Macauley type .like in India.
    What I fail to understand , perhaps Shoeb and L mirza will throw light,
    is that WHY HINDUS WHO CAME IN CONTACT WITH WESTERN CIVILIZATION BECAME SO ENAMOURED WITH IT., WHEREAS ISLAM RESISTED IT TO THE HILT
    Is it because hindus were under the yoke of Islam , and wanted to be free , thus embraced western civilization, OR MORE PERTINENTLY EVALUATED THEIR OWN RELIGION AND SOCIAL CONDITIONS AGAINST A SUPERIOR CIVILIZATION.AND WERE HONEST WITH IT.
    What you see in Egypt is as per the saying YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. 2 lakh will get you a maruti800 , 3 crore a Rolls Royce.
    Egypt is POOR , was ISLAMIC TO THE CORE mubarak or otherwise
    NO FREEDOM , NO MIDDLE CLASS , THERE IS AL AZHAR FOR RELIGION , BUT NO UNIVERSITY WORTH TALKING FOR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why such humility about not limited knowledge of Islam, dear always-all-knowing Nirad Babu?

    Even on a five thousand year old Hindu faith, you hold forth at length, every time and call all the others fools, damned fools and other such abusive names.

    Even about Islam, you have said,many times, that it is the most dangerous religion in the world etc.

    Now what happened? Have you received any threats of “elimination” from fake Ravi and/or Ram Autar?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    The reason as to why we became enamoured and accepted Macaulay’s ways was perhaps due to the fact that there was/is no monolithic religion governing Hindus and no mother of all religious texts to resist any alien ideas. Hence no rigidity in examining and accepting new ideas and ways.

    Another fact to note that the other European powers that ruled North Africa and Middle East may not have had a Thomas Macaulay amongst them and were perhaps less benevolent towards their subjects than the British.

  • Anonymous

    guys why can’t we get over our obsession that is, pakistan in particular and islam in general.There are far more pressing issues at home.Quantum leap in agricultural production ,and STORAGE , compulsory legally binding laws,that will ensure children to attend school till age 16. NREGA needs to be utilised for massive strides in agriculture , with million km of roads , which can be easily subsidised with NREGA labour.Just like digging WATER RESERVOIRS with NREGA labour .BUT THIS NEEDS TO COME UNDER AN ORGANISATION LIKE AMERICAN VETERANS ADMINISTRATION , or perhaps Nilekani , azim premji get together and create a foundation to deliver a fruitful use of NREGA LABOUR
    A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE like CBSE , so that there is a medical college in every district , with students ONLY FROM THAT DISTRICT.This will in one stroke remove doctor absentism.
    EDUCATION SHOULD BE UNIFORM with english medium of instruction with 400 marks for vernacular.
    Some 50 more business school , also teach enterprise RIGHT AT SCHOOL so that it does not remain a monopoly of marwaris.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    Love to hate you and hate to love you. But you are right here. If some angles are corrected in your thinking, you are not an abomination.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When MMS makes statements like ‘Muslims have first right on resources’, people loose interest in development as development is done keeping an eye on vote bank.

    But I agree with every word you said.

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    engrich Reply:

    those who are about to die go to icu.this is what mms.condition of general muslim is far below shudras.even as patwari they are only 0.6%.which is not good for country.bjp used this as propaganda.
    though secretly atal bihari did far more for mulims than any cogress leader.they also know the larger interest of country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    rajeev

    did MMS really say that…do u hacve a link

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes, he did say that when report of Sachar committee had
    come out.

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    This is what MMS said. I think a meaning different to that intended is being drawn here.

    NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday said plans for minorities, particularly Muslims, must have the first claim on resources so that benefits of development reach them equitably.

    “We will have to devise innovative plans to ensure that minorities, particularly the Muslim minority, are empowered to
    share equitably the fruits of development. These must have the first claim on resources,” he said in his address at the 52nd meeting of the National Development Council here.

    I will let you draw your own conclusions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi has confirmed what I said..He may be reading between the line with Congressi kind of logic but MMS was categorical in his statement that muslims have first right to resources.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, all desirable and required.

    However, the establishment has to provide basic infrastructure in education, health, utilities, etc. and make it available across the table – especially to the disadvantageous sections of the society. Make sure all the children are in schools. Then all one has to do see the ingenuity of mankind to create opportunities (literally out of thin air) for itself and to secure its future (at the individual level or collectively).

    For example, near any construction site or human activity, the chai waalaa appears out of nowhere. A housing complex comes up and there you have the kirana shop, vegetable vendor, …………..

    Wherever the massive amounts are spent in creating assets, the biggest benefit is the indirect / ancillary jobs and trades that get created.

    My refrain for betterment of any society is that you need three tings – infrastructure, infrastructure and infrastructure.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Agree with you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    As do I

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  • Anonymous

    Balwinder,
    You said that I hate Islam. That is not true. I consider Sufi Islam very progressive and Secular and also Qaidianiat. I however have contempt for ritualistic Islam i.e. Wahabi and Salafi kind. Same is true for Brahminism. I hate every religion where priest hijack the religion for their own benefit..I have respect for raidasi but hate sikhism controlled by Granthis.

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    engrich Reply:

    wahabi and salafis are creation of west like hindutva.any sensible person will dislike them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whatever..but they are the one controlling minds of 1.5 billion muslims like you.

    I wish Sufism grow and Wahabi Islam dies..believe me then more than 50% of the world will be sufi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Such practices in our religion are abhorred by people like Rajeev
    and all other rational people. These should be completely stopped.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279267

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    Ravi Reply:

    Totally agreed

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  • Anonymous

    I have no hesitation in saying that Anna is insulting parliament,” said Congress spokesperson Rashid Alvi.
    The Odisha State Assembly on Monday witnessed shocking behaviour of MLAs where Congress members tried to throw chairs at the Speaker.
    When Mayawati passed the Bill to divide UP in four parts in 10 minutes ,without any discussion, it enhanced the prestige of Parliamentary democracy.
    When Congress renegades on the Unanimous Resolution conveying the “Sense of the House’ on the Lokpal , it enhances the prestige of the House.
    When Congress Ministers and MLAs are arrested for muder of an Adivasi woman in Rajasthan . it greatly enhances the prestige of our Parliamentary democracy.

    And an interesting story on amount spent by Wal-Mart in India on lobbying.
    Wal-Mart has spent an amount of over $11 million (more than Rs 52 crore) on issues related to India, as also other matters, in over two years now. In 2010 itself, the company spent $1.37 million (over Rs six crore) on lobbying in the first quarter. These figures were officially disclosed by Wal-Mart as required under US Laws.
    The country asks Where did this money go? Whose pockets?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That money would have gone to the famous lobbyist Ms. Radia.
    Now question is to which journalists she paid to write the columns praising
    FDI in retail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That money would have gone to the famous lobbyist Ms. Radia.
    Now question is to which journalists she paid to write the columns praising
    FDI in retail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Evidently, Walmart has failed to “buy” support from the BJP or ther Left and the converse is so starkly true!

    The last question may be directed at Prahlad, the elusive blogger, who holds the exclusive rights to speak on behalf of Tehelka.

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  • Anonymous

    Congress blames BJP for not allowing parliament to function.
    Last night I was watching Barkha Dutt’s We the People. In
    that a member BJD Mr. Pinaki Misra said that everyday when the parliament
    session starts, some members of Congress from Andhra who are asking for
    Telanga start shouting and do not allow anyone else to speak which creates the disruption. Members from BJP later join the bandwagon with their own issues.
    This is happening daily since the winter session has started.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Blame must apply to ALL those who disrupt the proceedings of the parliament.

    The BJP does it as a matter of course, because it is a street party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whoever disrupts Parliament must be penalised. Expel him/her from the house and do not pay them their salaries and allowances. This is not a party matter. Congress or BJP or whichever MPs – strict action is called for.

    It seems that the presiding officers are too lenient. The last reported instance of a MP being expelled for indiscipline was in 2006 (Lok Sabha) and in 1971 (Rajya Sabha), other than members expelled and membership terminated for cash-for-questions scam.

    Mr. Subramaniam Swamy was expelled from the Lok Sabha in 1976. The Committee found his conduct derogatory to the dignity of the House and its members and inconsistent with the standards which the House expects from its members.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Expelling Subramanya Swamy is a joke.

    In 1976, we were under the jack boots of emergency and Swamy had dared to attend the session in spite of there being a countrywide alert for his arrest for being anti-Indira. Later, he escaped from the parliament house dressing himself as a sardarji!

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  • Anonymous

    The decline in industrial production is a bad omen; we will be seeing further decline in the growth rates in the coming quarters.

    We deserve better than the “cannot do anything right” paralyzed govt and a clueless opposition

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who cares for the general welfare of the country? The politicians across party lines are so busy trying to score cheap brownie points.

    This you may or may not agree with – the undue attention on this Lokpal business is also to be blamed for sorry state of affairs the country is passing through -equally important matters and policies that too need urgent attention are just languishing.

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  • Anonymous

    Whoever disrupts parliament must be penalised… Correct.

    What do we do to those who are absent when the parliament is in session?

    a) Rahul Gandhi kickstarts five-day tour of Uttar Pradesh to galvanise grassroots workers for assembly polls… (Nov 23 Economic Times)

    b) Rahul Gandhi on 5-day UP tour from Dec 13… (HT)

    I can’t thnk of a better person to answer this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Penailse them too. There is no issue.

    All parliamentarians are supposed to attend a certain minimum of days/sessions during their tenure.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    You may have noticed that Team Anna got more balanced coverage than the earlier jingoistic hatred which some channels and newspapers would orchestrate against them. The cliches of khaki nicker-vande matram– babri masjid– Modi modi, rape rape — was missing. Hindu– I think even had a pic of Brinda Karat and Anna and NDTV is doing that story diligently.

    The Congress and the Yuvraj seems cornered.

    I think you may need to drop ur sarcasm and see reality for a change….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are right in your observation on the about-turn the media has made, caution and good sense replacing blind support to a god-forsaken congress and government.

    As for the congressie troll, you must show sympathy in victory, magnanimity in triumph and leave him to his beer or vodka or whatever he drinks. He is a heart-broken man now, with all his “predictions” about Anna coming croppers.

    But, the hatred for Anna still remains intact, because of Anna’s audacity in taking on the might of the Raj and giving a bloody eye to its prince.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whether the press coverage is balanced or less jingoistic or hysterical or not and whether there were political leaders at Jantar Mantar or not. I still hold my ground and views.

    I do not throw a straw up to find which way the wind is blowing.

    The setting up of Lok Pal is not going to reduce corruption and will only be an additional burden on the exchequer. If you believe otherwise, no problem, we will discuss it in few years time.

    Anna and whoever wants to include 5.7 million employees (lower rung bureaucracy) under the jurisdiction of the Lokpal are going to burden it so much, that the whole set-up (of whatever worth it is going to be) is simply going to be in the grip of inertia. It will be years before an investigation and prosecution is complete. You need a separate mechanism to deal with corruption / speed money at lower level. We will talk about this too in few years in time.

    Please read the following (which you would have I suppose) without your blinkers.

    A pill to cure all ill?

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/editorial-views-on/Edits/A-pill-to-cure-all-ill/Article1-781054.aspx

    Here is something relevant from it

    Further, to be able to carry out its functions effectively, it would need a sufficient number of, and adequately trained, personnel. In doing so, there is a chance of the lokpal becoming another parallel bureaucracy, with the remedy being worse than the disease itself. Being a mega organisation has its own set of human resource management issues. This is pertinent in the context of the institution being staffed with the same imperious officers who are part of existing government departments and ministries.

    The various models of the Lokpal Bill do not throw light on how its staff operation will be different from normal government protocols of service. It is difficult to imagine (or believe) that the DNA of employees stationed in a lokpal office would be significantly different from those working within the government machinery. The hope that it will be different largely stems from the fact that a select team of the lokpal would supervise the overall functioning. Perhaps, we can instill a similar sense of responsibility within the administrative leadership as a whole.
    —————

    Does that make sense to you? On other other hand do you imagine that the institution of Lokpal will be staffed by people from Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune and perhaps by people from outside our solar system.

    I also wish to see reduction in corruption, but the Lokpal way is not the way. The solutions lie elsewhere, which I have articulated in previous blogs.

    I hold my ground on this count, even if I am left standing alone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Chadte suraj ko salam.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    Last night I had to be terriblly restrained as my girl was hanging next to me on the computer. Like a good Indian boy– who does NOT show his true colors before marriage and becomes a dog on a leash… I guess I let all the baiting go…

    So it was ur lucky day.. :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Or else to use Balwinder’s words.

    You would have blown me out of the water, cast me adrift in the outer reaches of Cosmos, etc and waited for a congratulatory telegram from Dr Mishra.

    Do me favour…..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Speaks volume.

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    Ravi Reply:

    About Vijay, you mean…..sure does

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t it obvious?

    Ravi Reply:

    For a fleeting second I thought you may be refering to the moderating influence of Mrs Vijay to be!!!

  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    You did mention that noise is mentioned that Nonsense is measured in Sibals. here is a poem celeberating our one and only Kapil Sibal

    Oye Kapil Sibal
    You are the Congressi’s dumb Birbal

    Sound may be measured in Decibals
    But henceforth, nonsense would only be measured in Sibals !

    So everytime Mani Aiyar speaks
    Nonsense of a 100 sibals explodes
    And when Digvinash leaks…
    Congress credibility by a 1000 Sibal erodes !!

    As for the gaffe prone Yuvraj
    100000 Sibals ka hai woh Sartjaj !!!

    Oye kapil Sibal
    You bloodly fake Birbal

    Tera time reh gaya hai
    Bas pal do pal !!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    wah wah wah wah

    (to Shenoy as well for the term – Sibal – masterclass)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Ishwar

    Your praise is truely humbling…. !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Another good one for te Monday evening. This Kapil Sibal is talking the 18th century language in the 21st.

    You should mail him this poem.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because Sibal is a symbol for nonsense.

    The voters of Chandni Chowk may, in all probability throw him out the next time, because no sane voter would like to have a share in his nonsense.

    New Delhi voters had earlier defeated Manmohan Singh. Now Singh may not even be willing to renew his Rajyasabha seat, because his Manmohanomics is lying in shambles.

    But, these two terms like Sibal (a measure for nonsense) and Manmohanomics (for what should be avoided in economics) will live for long.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    While I still have respect for Manmohan… I concur 100% on Sibal. His plans for web censorship means that India is catching up with China … in the wrong fields…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo, Vijay Kumar,

    some harsh realities and facts have, for long, been nazar-andaaz-ed by the media for long.

    Till Narasimha Rao, on a second bounce picked up MMS, he was, like millions of his brethren, a babu, a pliant one at that, doing the biddings of his masters. Even Pranab Mukherjee used to order him around, tinkering with interest rates-half a percent here, quarter percent there. He rose to the top positions in the RBI, planning commission etc only because he was an efficient babu and also, more importantly, a ji-huzoor-e-wala. In all his earlier avtars-in fact during his entire career-he was very very comfortable with the socialist economy, observing all the regimes required of a socialist, committed babu.

    Therefore, it is the media, which created a “reformist” Manmohan Singh, while the fact was that it was Narasimha Rao, who was THE MOST REFORMIST prime minister India had ever had.

    And mind you, once the congress government began experiencing political hardships, all the reforms started slowing down, particularly after Dec1992, when Rao got the epitaph of a sleeping prime minister. It was only during Vajapayee’s six years’ rule that the reforms got a fresh push.

    Therefore, if you analyse MMS’s rule these last seven years, there is nothing spectacular in his performance except a strong desire to stick to his chair at any cost.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Yes agree with you. Too much of credit is being bestowed on MMS. He was just following the instructions of Mr.Narsimha Rao.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Sibal has reduced himself from a corporate lawyer to a lawyer of the corrupt…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    hx

    Kapil may be bubble
    Your appreciation only makes me humble…

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    Yes there has been a marked u turn in the media stand. In fact the Left adn BJP shared a dias after a long time.

    The government should get in a strong LokPal to restore its crdibilty, otherwise the opposition will sweep the poll.

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  • Anonymous

    Shoeb-

    The book’s title is “Playing with fire – Pakistan at war with itself” by Pam Constable.

    My observations/questions on Egypt are-
    1) Will the extremists force the Brotherhood to adopt ‘’stricter” Sharia
    2) If so, how will the Coptic Christians and the liberal Muslims take it/fare within it
    3) Will SCAF reign in if the parties “cross” certain norms
    4) How will they change the rules of election for future, because the current process sorts of favours Brotherhood (because of their deep rooted organization across the country)
    5) Will SCAF ban Al Nour and Salafists as Mubarek had banned the Brotherhood

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    Ravi Reply:

    Wait for a year and you will get your answer.

    Till then let your prejudices keep you warm this winter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What happens in one year?
    Will your country send Jehadists to assist Al Nour to complete the revolution?

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    Ravi Reply:

    You will be conscripted, considering you are dying worrying, you may as well die Jihading.

    Keep worrying

  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    You may be right that the focus/hoopla on LokPal is diverting attention from other priority stuff. But can it be an excuse? Shouldnt the govt be able to do 3-4 imp things simultaneously?

    I do agree with you on some of your comments about the contours of the Lokpal proposal. However, I would like one bill passed, and continuously refine (such as the point you brought up about the number of people needed, can any organization monitor/manage 8 million bureaucrats etc.. I think it is better to start with “inclusion” and then peel off grade 3 etc civil servants, than start with “exclusion” of many. Once we start with the exclusion, it will be extremely difficult to include any , as the current discussions have shown.

    If, as you say, there are already laws on the books, Congress should have dusted them off, put additional teeth in that, and convince the populace that they are serious about this cancer. The fact that they ignored it, they tried to run off the messengers rather than listening to the messages, and totally underestimated the national mood on this all prove that they are in some glass house. They should have coopted this, made it work under the current processes or new processes rather than expending so much energy in fighting it. That leaves a bad taste in the public, that these are corrupt people trying hard to protect their spoils.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One should not forget that they Government includes the Parliament – the supreme body – the fountainhead of every other body’s legitimacy and authority, including that of the Executive branch. No parliament, nothing.

    You cannot blame the executive branch alone for the mess that we are seeing today. Parliament is not allowed to function on one pretext or the other. We have to point fingers at all them. I repeat – the presiding officers are too lenient – just adjourning the house and no work gets done. Take strict action on the offenders – expel them, do not pay them the bucks. Criminal waste of time and money.

    My favourite line – we do not need enemies, we ourselves are very adept at maintaining our status as a third world country.

    Your view that the lower bureaucracy should included to start with and then gradually get them out of the purview is not going to work. It will nigh impossible to get rid of the the ‘extra’ staff recruited to monitor all of them, once it is decided to exclude the lower bureaucracy. As I understand, the Standing Committee has made recommendations as to how to tackle corruption at lower levels and in the judiciary.

    I still maintain – this whole business of Lokpal is a bad dream and returns are suspect. The time, effort and money should have been well spent on tweaking the existing laws and that can only be dome by the Parliament (and not the executive), only if the members allow it to function. In case, the Executive does not propose any changes in the existing laws, what prevents the opposition or a (concerned) member(s) of the house to bring forward a private member’s bill to do so?

    Why do you blame a particular dispensation as to why they did not do this or that – nobody did anything about for 42 years?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    You are right when you said we dont need enemies. but dont you think by supporting dynastic succession you are beign an enemy of democracy.

    By supporting Congress corruption by getting the BJP into every arguement, you are being an enemy of honesty?

    And by knocking down the possibilty of getting in a strong lokpal bill you are ending up opposing transparent governance and clean politcs?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not sure whether you will come here to read this. The new blog says it all.

    The question as to how who is corrupt and who is not among the political class is not relevant at all. All are.

    Strong lokpal bill? huh! Plase read carefully what I have written and also read Vinodji’s new blog too. You are not going to get it.

    I do not know why you and your fellow travelers keeping insisting I support the Congress? Even it is true by a long shot – is it a crime? Other parties are no paragons of virtue either. Whoever or whatever gave you the idea that I support dynastic succession?

  • Anonymous

    To all those people who are living in delusional that Anna has massive impact on voter’s mind should look at results of Maharashtra’s municipal election. It is a slap on the face of Annaites by corrupt Indians. You can not change the congress culture of corruption just in few months. It will take another 63 years to detoxify this nation of congressism.

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  • Anonymous

    A typical example of Brahminism that Enrich rightly slams..I join him in this condemnation.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279267

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am surprised that you gave abackhanded compliment to that jehadi **** called engrich. His agenda is that of a termite. Eat here…live here… but also eat the vitals of the country.

    Casteism and superiority of man over man is bad and needs to be exterminated.. However…. Engrich and what he represnts is far worse.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Get over it….you over react….almost always

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    I constantly visit anti-India and anti-hindu forum to only read views. It is very important to know what your enemies or adversaries think about you. It helps you understand your own weaknesses and also mindset of your enemies.
    I would agree with Enrich or Ravi or Manohar if they are right.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajeev thank u for understanding me.i am very kindhearted man cannot see the agony of those who are already down,
    neverthless,we have not even a single media to bring this to the notice of the victims This is the tragic, blood-curdling history of Hindu India. This history has been repeating — endlessly centuries after century.
    If any good-hearted, far-sighted, impartial, noble historian were to come in future, she or he can write the sordid, atrophied, violent, criminal past/present of India only in letters of blood.
    A Like Reply

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  • Guest

    The folks from Pedder Road don’t count in electoral arithmetic, which is why Bombay ends up subsidising the development of the state.

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  • http://twitter.com/sujitrpatil Sujit Patil

    Agreed with your comments about developement of elsewhere backward marathwada region…I too hail from latur but that isnt the reason to glorify him! We have witnessed so many positive changes that occurred to latur and its people. Corruption charges on him is another subject for debate.

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  • bharat

    Nitish has shown his class as a crass political manipulator. He should be lined up along with Mulayam, Lalloo who are selfish and ready to sell the country for their survival. He should be taught a fitting reply in the next election by Bihar if they understand what is good for them.

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  • Anonymous

    Nitish was all for NAMO untill 2004 LS election when Bjp JDU combined got only 11 MP seats. Lalu got 22 MP seats as he has Muslim vote bank after he arrested Adavni yatra in Bihar. Nitish changed after 2004 election to get Muslim vote bank. In 2009 LS election BJP JDU got 32 seats.this again confirmed Nitish beleif that MODI bashing is very good for getting Muslim votes. Had JDU and BJP got 32 seats in 2004 election ,Nitish would have been all for NAMO as he was before 2004 election.

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  • Parmeshwar Roongta

    Nitish and this writer should know that the Indian people have never supported turncoats and opportunists.What is astonishing is that he finds the original ‘rath yatri’Advani as secular, conveniently fogetting that Advani’s rath yatra had left a trail of blood letting as a result of communal riots all over the country. Does Nitish think that the Indian Muslim has forgotten Ayodhya and Advani’s rath yatra? if so, he is living in a fool’s paradise. In the Mahabharata war Duryodhana thought that with Karna by his side he will decimate the Pandavas easily, but Karna never delivered. So also the Muslim vote bank may never go to Nitish and he may rue his decision he has taken so enthusiastically.

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  • Parmeshwar Roongta

    I gave a message. why are you not publishing it?

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