No short cuts to success for Rahul



The media is agog about a larger role for Rahul Gandhi in the Congress organisation. Why now; towards what objective? I’ve no ready answers. If the speculation isn’t without basis, I’d be surprised by the timing of the move.

A bigger role for Rahul in the party or the government must come in the backdrop of a big electoral achievement. Or else, he’d be exposed to sharper attacks from the Opposition as a “product” of dynastic politics.

It makes little sense to me that the Amethi MP who already wields considerable de facto power in the Congress should be assuming formally a higher office in the party at the current juncture. He’d be better off donning the mantle if the Congress does well in the UP polls. He has to pass that test for greater gravitas. A shorter route could be self-destructive.

What’s the big message Rahul and the Congress have for the UP electorate, a TV journalist asked me. An intelligent guess I could make was they should be asking people to give them a chance on having been failed by other aspirants — the SP, the BSP and the BJP— since the Congress’s ouster in the late-1980s.

But where’s the social alliance that can make the Congress be the King or even the Kingmaker? The party’s Dalit, Brahmin and Muslim base has long been stolen in a large measure by the BSP and in some measure by the SP (Muslims) and the BJP (Brahmins). In recent months the Congress has made a strong pitch to regain the Muslim vote. But the battle is three-way still (between the BSP, SP and the Congress) for their support and that of Brahmins in which case the BJP is a player besides the BSP and the Congress.

No matter which side the scale tilts, Rahul’s decision to kick-start his campaign from Phulpur, associated with the Nehru name since Panditji represented the seat in the Lok Sabha in the early post-Independence phase, revived memories of the Congress’s glory days. The last time the party won the seat— that returned Vijayalakshmi Pandit and V P Singh in later years— was in 1984. Since then, Phulpur has cast its lot with the Janata Dal and its breakaway group, the Samajwadi Party.

In 2009, the BSP wrested the seat from the SP that had triumphed thrice on the trot. SP chief Mulayam Singh’s political role model Ram Manohar Lohia had contested and lost the seat to Nehru in 1962.

It remains to be seen whether Rahul will make the wheel come a full circle; whether he’d reverse Lohia’s legacy of anti-Congressism that put Phulpur and UP beyond his party’s reach for over two decades? Invoking his great-grandfather’s legacy, he told a public meeting there on Monday that it was from Phulpur that Nehru led India on the path of development.

Regardless of the outcome, Rahul’s speech at Phulpur before a crowd of 30-40,000 was good by his standards. He struck a chord by talking to the crowds yearning for a change. “It’s in your hands to change your destiny, to rid the state of the Mafiosi and the musclemen who have turned UP into a laggard state,” he said.

The UP mandate is crucial for Rahul’s political career — be it a promotion within the party or the much awaited transition to the politics of governance. If not a winner, he has to emerge from it an impressive loser.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    It is the Congress sycophants that have been pitching and shouting from the rooftops for a ‘greater’ role in the party and/or the Government for him. There has been no indication from the man himself that he wishes to do so.

    My prediction he may take more responsibility in the party (when is the big question), but will not assume any responsibility in the Government setup for many years to come – perhaps even for next 20 years or so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t it easier to rule from behind the curtain without any responsibility?

    I feel for Manmohan who has taken all the brickbats for dynasty. Poor chap. I am sure he will become a fogotten footnote in congress’s history just like PV narasimha rao.

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  • Anonymous

    No tests for the dynasty, only straight elevation to the top job.
    The congress party is already on self-destruct mode.
    Digvinash Singh has created a “mayajaal” around the prince and they hope the magic may inadvertantly click. The basis for this false bravado is supposed Muslim vote bank.

    If the media says the crowd at Rahul Baba’s meeting was 30-40,000, it surely means <15000.

    It is my belief that Awasthi Baba's slogan" maa bimar" may, in truth, be more than a slogan. The bimari may be serious, maataaji may not be able to undertake the onerous task of pulling its UP unit up with its boot-straps.

    Awasthi Baba may still get his rajyasabha seat ahead of Vinodji.

    I am very sad for Vinodji.

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    whatanews4u Reply:

    why are you disappointed? Vinod Sharma has a soft angle to Congress party

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    The day is near when this dynasty will abandon orphans like Digvijay and moved to Italy or may be end up in Tihar Jail.

    Robert vadra has been acting a piggybank for nehru-gandhis for past 7 years..when time come they will dump this idiot and run away with all the loot.

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    Ravi Reply:

    The only test that matters will be when the ELECTIONS take place.

    So when is the “Backseat Driver” Mohan Bhagwat going to fight an election.

    Surely for him Nagpur must be a safe seat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you have a proof that RSS drives BJP govt. behind the curtain?

    In case of Sonia, every congressmen swears by the fact.

    You terrorist should worry about fascist Congress headed by fascist Sonia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jihadis must confine their worry to what happens to the back seat driving of the Pak army and what happens to your jihad in India once the BJP comes to power.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I don’t think anything needs to be said here.

    This is self explanatory.

  • Anonymous

    According to Rahul Gandhi , since there no no jobs available in UP people from their go to Maharashtra to beg.

    If congress comes to power in UP then he will create an enivironment that will
    allow them to beg in UP itself. No need of going to an other state for such
    trivial matter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Apna kutta apni gali mein sher
    Apna bhikmanga apne prant mein savva sher

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t insults dog please. The dogs are loyal animals whereas nehru-gandhis are only loyal to $$$$ or Italian embassy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ye gadhe ki aulaad tamacha khayega..The people from UP are not some idiotic villagers who will take insults and not retaliate back.

    Iska poora khandaan bhikmango ki tarah kashmri se UP aaya tha..Inhone 65 saal UP mein Bheek maangi hai..

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    naresh Reply:

    What is the need to use abusive language, it just show your own standard of thinking, gutter. Why this news paper publish such abusive comment. You may like Gandhi, Nehru or their daughter or sons or may not like but using such abuse is condemnable.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sadhu..Sadhu…Jaao Bheek maango..

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @RajeevS
    Pl pay heed to what Naresh has written. There are better ways of expressing one’s disapproval of people and ideas. No?

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  • Anonymous

    Rahul’s speech at Phulpur was very disappointing. He sounded like Raj Thackrey and chided UP people by calling them beggars. This is the same state that has help dynasty rule India.

    Rahul is no better than Raj Thackrey on regionalism, Modi on communalism and Mayawati on casteism. He is the worst that Congress can offer to India.

    The kind of garbage that he spewed in Phulpur has confirmed everyone’s feeling that Digvijay is the guru of Rahul. Only Digvijay can produce such low level filth.

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  • Ravi

    What if K Sudarshan had tutured Rahul Gandhi instead of Digvijay???

    Reading that Rahul is Casteist, Communalist, Regionalist, because Digvijay Singh, must have been his mentor, leads one to wonder, what if Rahul would have been tutored by K Sudarshan.

    Here is some of what Rahul could have said in Phulpur.

    1. My mother an elected member of the Indian Parliament, one of the few people who could have been a PM, but refused to assume the most powerful position in the country is..a foreign agent, because my tutor K Sudarshan says so, then it must be the truth.

    2. Every one in our party knows that my mother Sonia had some role in the deaths of her mother-in-law and her husband,..This is also true because my tutor K Sudarshan says so because he and he alone looked at the circumstantial evidence.

    3. My father Rajiv Gandhi had wanted to leave her (Sonia). My tutor says that he had seen the light and it was coming out of the bog at the RSS head quarters in Nagpur, where my tutor K Sudarshan went for his dialy chintan.

    4. It is totally misguided to say that the RSS and its political front the BJP sees the Indian society through a communal angle, Oh no it does not, it is an all inclusive and TRULY secular organisation.

    5. Our goal is not to establish a “Hindu state”, no sir what we want is an Akhand Bharat stretching from Afghanistan to Cambodia, and for me to be the first PM of this largest country in the world.

    6. My tutor K Sudarshan – clearly told Shekhar Gupta – that my Grand Father J. L. Nehru, got Mahatma Gandhi murdered. Based on, fool-proof, proof that the bullet had entered Mahtma Gandhi from his behind.

    7. My Tutor – K Sudarshan – knows the TRUTH and he always speaks the TRUTH. Mark my word.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Applause.

    Some more.

    8. The Gujarat 2002 was the handiwork of the Congress party workers disguised as RSS/BJP/VHP/BD cadres. My tutor– K Sudarshan – says so, so it must be the truth. Ditto for Babri Masjid demolition, Orissa 2008, attacks on Christians and their churches, all other riots – Shame on the Congress party.

    9. My tutor – K Sudarshan – says there are no better patriotic and nationalistic people than Hindutvawadis.

    10. I have not understood what the Kejriwal’s Jan Lokpal draft bill is about, as my tutor – K Sudarshan – has not understood it either. May be I should change my tutor.. ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Some more.

    8. The 26/11 was the handiwork of the RSS disguised as Muslims. My tutor– Osamaji– says so, so it must be the truth. Ditto for 1984 riots, Bhagalpur riots, attacks on brahmins and their temples, all other riots – Shame on the RSS.

    9. My tutor – Osmaji – says there are no better patriotic and nationalistic people than Congressis.

    10. I have not understood what the Kejriwal’s Jan Lokpal draft bill is about, as my tutor – Osamaji – has not understood it either. This is the reason I hate Jan Lokpal Bill because it will impair my ability to loot. I guess I should get back to Diggiji.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    you are truly great, yaar.

    I really applaud you for bursting the bubble of the jihadi and his bed-mate congressie troll, who is spilling all his stinking pseudo secular vomit on this blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    They think only they have brains. The Congressis are known to be corrupt both economically and morally.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is what Rahul will say if he was tutored by Osama late husband of ravi.

    Reading that Rahul is Casteist, Communalist, Regionalist, because Digvijay Singh, must have been his mentor, leads one to wonder, what if Rahul would have been tutored by Osama.

    Here is some of what Rahul could have said in Phulpur.

    1. My mother an elected member of the Indian Parliament, who installed puppert PM, but enjoys unlimited power without responsibility. She makes foreign trip for which govt. has no records. She is beyond questioning because she is white. She is worshipped by slaves such as Ravi.

    2. Every one in our party knows that my mother Sonia had maximum to gain from deaths of her mother-in-law and her husband,..This is also true because my tutor Osama says so because he and he alone looked at the circumstantial evidence.

    3. My father Rajiv Gandhi had no power to question Sonia because he knew whosoever questioned her got killed. This was later proved with the death of Scindia, Jitendra Prasad and Rajesh Pilot. Only pawar was the lucky one. My tutor i.e. Osama says that he had seen the light and it was coming out of the bog at the AICC HQ in Delhi, where my tutor Osama is considered Prophet Osamaji in their daily chintan.

    4. It is totally misguided to say that the Congress sees the Indian society through a communal angle, Oh no it does not, it is an all inclusive and TRULY secular organisation because it belives in MUSLIM FIRST doctrine.

    5. Our goal is not to establish a “Fascist State”, no sir what we want is an Totally Toota Bharat.

    6. My tutor Osamaji – clearly told ravi in bed – that Rahul gandhi is a great hope for jehadis working in and out of India.

    7. My Tutor – Osamaji – knows the TRUTH and he always speaks the TRUTH. Mark my word.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I applaud you for the fitting reply you have given this Pakistani jihadi fundoo, who also holds the certificate of being a secular fundamentalist given by none other than Vinod Sharma.

    Hats off to you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “My father Rajiv Gandhi had no power to question Sonia because he knew whosoever questioned her got killed.”

    REMEMBER ACM CALLED RAJASHEKHAR REDDY?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “My mother an elected member of the Indian Parliament, one of the few people who could have been a PM, but refused to assume the most powerful position in the country………

    BUT FOR THE FACT THAT PRSIDENT KALAM THREW THE RULES BOOK AT ME AND SAID FOREIGNERS CANNOT BECOME PM AS ITALY DOESN’T HAVE THE RECIPROCAL LAW.”

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    Ravi Reply:

    So, what were are being asked to believe here is:

    1. It is possible for a naturalised Indian – for that is what Sonia Gandhi is – to become the president of a historical and matured Political party. Even though no reciprocal arrangement for this exists between Italy and India.

    2. It is possible for a naturalised Indian – for that is what Sonia Gandhi is – to become an elected member of the parliament. Even though no reciprocal arrangement for this exists between Italy and India.

    3. Having been elected as a member of the Parliament, then not be allowed to hold the office of the Prime Minister, because no such reciprocal arrangement of this kind exists between Italy and India. Does such an arrangement exist with ANY other country? I doubt it.

    This is Bah Humbug of the 1st class variety, no such law exists (let us have details if one does exist).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi/asli jihadi, read on:

    “As for Sonia Gandhi, I did not mind her, when she was Rajiv Gandhi’s wife, but after his death, I watched with dismay as she started stamping her authority on the Congress, which made me say in a series of broadcasts on the Nehru Dynasty: “It’s sad that the Indian National Congress should be completely dependent on one family; the total surrender of a national party to one person is deplorable. You have to ask the question: what claims does Sonia Gandhi have to justify her candidature for prime-ministership? Running a country is far more complicated than running a company. Apprenticeship is required in any profession — more so in politics”. I heard that Sonia Gandhi was unhappy about this broadcast.

    Then, after President APJ Abdul Kalam called her to the Raj Bhavan (read Rashtrapati Bhawan) and told her what some of us already knew, namely that for a long time, she had kept both her Italian and Indian passports, which disqualified her to become the Prime Minister of India, she nevertheless became the Supreme leader of India behind the scenes. It is then that I exclaimed: “the moribund and leaderless Congress party has latched onto Sonia Gandhi, who is Italian by birth and Roman Catholic by baptism”. She never forgave me for that. Yet, today I can say without the shadow of a doubt that when history will be written, the period over which she presided, both over the Congress and India, will be seen as an era of darkness, of immense corruption and of a
    democracy verging towards autocracy, if not disguised dictatorship, in the hands of a single person, a non Indian and a Christian like me. Truth will also come out about her being the main recipient for kickbacks from Bofors to 2G, which she uses to buy votes, as the Wikileaks have just shown.”

    MARK TULLY.

    http://www.groundreportindia.com/2011/09/mark-tully-on-indian-politics.html

    Ravi Reply:

    Oh this old chest nut, written by:

    John.maclithon@gmail.com

    The author, who covered for several decades South Asia for a leading international radio channel, is the author of “Hinduva, Sex & Adventures” (Roly Books, Delhi)

    Nothing further needs to be said really.

  • Anonymous

    Logic of Congressis-
    Rajiv Gandhi kills 5000 sikhs for personal revenge, he is called Vikas Purush. He is conferred Bharat Ratna. Media works overtime to shield Rajiv Gandhi from 1984 genocide stains. Sonia’s govt. names everything after Rajiv Gandhi. He was caught pants down in Bofors but Sonia govt. helped Mr.Q to get away with the loot and got borfors buried with the help of CBI. Rahul Gandhi openly plays regionalism card, uses communal politics, uses Raj Thackrey’s vocabulary, his chamchas (Nitin Prasad whose father died in mysterious circumstances after he challenged Sonia on Congress presidentship) beat up activists of rival party but Congress is hailed as democratic, secular..blah blah blah…Sonia rules Congress like a fascist ruler..Even chamchis like Margaret Alva was shown door for speaking out of turn. For congressi trolls all this can be overlooked because it helps them maintain status quo which favors them.

    Now replace Rajiv Gandhi and all congressis with Modi and BJP leaders, Congressis will come up with totally different logic.

    I have never had good opinion of Pajama Chaap RSS but dhoti-chaap congress is far more dangerous to India putting RSS-Communist-regional-casteists together because Congress is the only part that is COMMUNAL, LEFT LEANING, REGIONAL, CASTEIST and ANTI-NATIONAL.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    if you have got balls as big as this congressie troll has (or claims to have), say that Rajiv Gandhi= Narendra Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv Gandhi = Modi + Hitler + Mussolini + Saddam + Gaddafi

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  • Anonymous

    Rahul Gandhi has penned some of the most heart-wrenching, poignant and plain-speaking thoughts for the people of UP:

    My heart bleeds for the garib, bhikari, bhikmanga and the badnaseeb of UP state..
    Poverty is not new to India, because my great grandfather, Pandit Nehru, deliberately kept the country poor with his socialism.

    Begging too is not new to us, because my great grand father began our begging in the early 1950’s.He went to the US and Europe every year with our ever expanding begging bowls, first for food and then food and money too.My grand mother, Indira Gandhi, too kept the poverty and begging going with her own brand of socialism.

    But, what Mayawati has done for the UP people is beyond discription. She has created more beggars in UP than my great grand father and my grand mother together created in the whole of India.

    These poor beggars have also been driven out of UP for lack of begging opportunities.
    They are now begging on the streets of Mumbai, Delhi and even distant Bangalore.

    This is shameful for four generations of congress leaders headed by the Nehru parivar.

    Therefore, I have prepared, with valuable inputs from Digvinash Singh, a 10 point
    manifesto for the poor and destitutes of UP.

    MY MANIFESTO FOR THE BEGGING POOR OF UP
    ………………..—————————————————–…………………………..

    1.All UP beggars will now onwards don’t have to leave the state for begging.
    2.All opportunities will be created for their hassle-free begging within UP itself.
    3.Specially designed UID cards will be issued exclusively for the beggars of UP.
    4. With these cards, now they can beg at all bus stops, traffic signals, railway stations and also airports.
    5. Police will neither stop these card holding beggars nor will they demand bribes from them.
    6. Road medians and foot paths will be modified to house these card holding beggars, so that they can live on them hassle-free.
    7.A minimum support rate of Rs.5 will be fixed for traffic signals and bus stops and Rs.50 for airports.
    Note: Beggars have the right to throw the money back at the donors, if the amount is less than the fixed rate.
    8. Removing beggars from footpaths and road medians will be a crime punishable by imprisonment.
    9.Children below the age of 15 will be permitted to beg outside their schools before and after school hours.
    10.Membership of congress party will be free for all beggars.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rahul Gandhi has penned some of the most heart-wrenching, poignant and plain-speaking thoughts for the people of UP:

    They are still better than the gut-wrenching speeches of K S Sudarshan and Mohan Bhagwat.

    I hear Nitin Gadkari does’nt say much

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice try..but very lame..just like Rahul.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what better can you expect from single-point-agenda jihadis?

  • Anonymous

    Friends I have just been given my new identity . I am a Bhikari from UP in fact from quite close to where I was declared one. I became a bhikari in 1980 when I left Allahabad to work at New Delhi.Then this Bhikari was posted to Kolkotta and I begged there for 5 years . Now I am back and continue to be bhikari of sorts , i.e I live in UP but work in Delhi .
    All those who go out of their state to work in other states are all bhikaris. Yes this is what the Congress party and its future PM of India has told the country . That is to say all those who have come to Noida and Greater Noida from other states are Bhikaris in UP.
    Union Ministers who take Oath of Office to safeguard the Constitution of India are permitted to kick and assault others , this another law which was laid down yesterday by the Congress Party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen saxenaji,

    apply for the special UID (SUID).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In my case Shenoy Saab it shall be UIDB ( “B” for Bhikari)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar who migrated to US is International Bhikari just like me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your “supposed’ internet forensic expertise has utterly failed you as before. Keep guessing (that is where your expertise lies, given …..), there is a remote chance that some day you may reach the right conclusion. I will not bet on it though.

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  • Anonymous

    Last evening after the speech by Rahul Gandhi, Mrs. Sonia Gandhi met
    MMS and told him ” I should never have removed Rahul from the craddle”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But she can put the pacifier back in his mouth and sing lullabies even now. He will be mighty happy and put his foot in his mouth.

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  • Anonymous

    No change in US visa policy for Modi: Blake (*)

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Americas/No-change-in-US-visa-policy-for-Modi-Blake/Article1-769334.aspx

    I feel ‘extremely sorry’ (others perhaps will be extremely discomforted) for the ‘greatest Chief Minister and Administrator’ ever to set foot on this planet..

    The only “silver lining’ is that he is in august company of

    1) Omar Osama bin Laden
    2) Tariq Ramadan
    3) Yusuf al-Qaradawi

    among others down the years. The other people not welcome in the USA would be the terrorists based in Pakistan and elsewhere. “Wonderful’.

    http://www.ranker.com/list/list-of-famous-persona-non-gratas/reference

    * Same status quo for this Persona-non-grata in Bihar too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Omar Osama bin Laden
    Did you mean “Osamaji” the highly respected person for the Congress party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No. His son.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_bin_Laden

    For others, you may google and find out.

    Have a good day.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am pretty sure most of the congressis have multiple orgasm at the site of Osamaji.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You can be sure, on “Osamaji”’s first death anniversary, this Osama-bhakt will do an aerial chakkar and drop a bouque of flowers imported from Saudi Arabia at the spot, where Osamaji attained his watery nirvana.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I still remember Ravi sobbing when Osama was taken out. The terrorist couldn’t hide his pain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Differnece between USA and our Congress party.

    USA denies visa to Modi who is allegedly behind the riots in Gujarat which
    killed about 1000 people.

    Congress party allows Anderson to flee India whose company was involved
    in death of more than 10000, more than 5 lakhs injuries of which more than
    40000 with permant disability .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am only having great fun in bashing up our own politicians, a pastime which you also indulge in. I do not mind when you bash up politicians, do you have a problem if I bash them too?

    Whether USA is right or wrong or whether the Government of India (read Congress Party if you like, I have no problem) was right or not is not the question, we can discuss these separately, if you like. Here it is just bashing – plain and simple.

    Oh! you too a gave a good day.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “” No need to obfuscate the thread by raising other issues, which have no relation to the topic”"

    Ulta chor kotwaal ko daante.

    You brought in Modi when Rahul Gandhi was being discussed as you normally do . In earlier blog also I had told
    you the same thing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not scolding you or anyone.

    I may bring in anyone to discuss, as anyone else does. Where is the problem? Do not like what I post or not worth responding to? Just ignore it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    congressie trolls on this blog have wide lee-way, and the “chor” only orders others to speak on the topic while he can “debate” any issue of his choice. For proof, see his fifty posts from the last five blogs. Take print-outs and preserve them, because they are high quality debates!!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you think if Rajiv Gandhi was alive, he would get VISA to US?

    Yes, of course..because he was white looking belonging to dynasty.

    Anonymous Reply:

    According to the congressie troll here, as against Modi, Rajiv Gandhi only failed to prevent the massacre of 5000 Sikhs in Delhi, whereas, the fact is that he actually ordered his hired goons to take revenge on the Sikhs for the murder of his mother by her Sikh body guard. what followed his specific order was a well executed POGROM against Sikhs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Manohar has a habit of speaking from both sides of mouth. He uses thousands of adjective to bash Modi but when it comes to condemning criminal Rajiv Gandhi, he makes a formal one liner and wants us to believe that he is neutral.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This question you should ask the USA government, not me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So why are you asking Indians about Modi?

    You were born in 1946..and that is the reason you can’t think beyond congress and dynasty.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was not asking Indians about Modi.
    I posted the link and my comments to discomfort the likes of you and it has worked, given the reactions. That is the fun part. Bahot mazaa aataa hai.

    You can carry on with your normal ‘expert’ routine of abusing (remember that infamous cauldron you fell in when in hurry to catch that flight out of India) and guessing, not having shown any other attribute. Good luck.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am the last person to defend Modi but the types of you congressis consider Rajiv Gandhi as some divine person.

    Now you are old..this is the only mazaa left for you. You keep parroting that you are not a congressi but looking at your posts one can say you are a loyal sevak.

    You must be getting lot of Mazaa in the company of terrorist Ravi because terrorists and congressis are natural allies.

    when I see you defending Congress and hiding your loyalty to dynasty, I too get immense pleasure.

    Good luck..The time has changed Uncleji.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You really disappoint me. Where is the abuse, o abuser-in-chief? Kuchh mazaa nahin aayaa. Next time, make extra effort to be ‘nice’ to me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is very deep for Congressis to understand. They choose foreigners over own countrymen for petty political gains.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Strange coming from a person, who took the first available flight to the ‘phoren’ country – USA.

    Hypocrite, anyone?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh..and you are sitting on the lap of communal bharat mata.

    I am never done anything against India and never will unlike you who will sell India for petty gains.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How about Re 1/-?

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is what you get to sell your soul to Nehru-Gandhi dynasty? Very cheap…

    Anonymous Reply:

    No. That was for you for making such a ‘profound’ declaration (actually a very cheep* one, as opposed to cheap).

    * A low priced foul-mouthed parrot, who took the first available flight out of India.

    Anonymous Reply:

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    @ Manohar

    I think this is chamchagiri. That u admire everything what the US does.

    I am sure you would have loved the bombing in Vietnam and the Carpet bombing of civilians in IRaq…

    You should change your mindset. That it is a world of equals. And you too are no less than an American…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am only having great fun bashing up politicians, just as you all do too.

    Whether USA is right in denying him a visa or not is not the question.

    You too have a good day.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Also Zia Haq, HT journalist. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not sure. If so, more the merrier. Also perhaps Dr. Zakir Naik. Wah!, A real august company for Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Forgot about KAMALNATH favorite of Sonia G and Rahul G who is wanted on genocide charges in US court.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    US is ready to give him single entry VISA but Kamal Nath is $hitting in his pants and mata sonia keeps washing it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You can add his name, also of Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler.

    It is still a gallery of rogues and Modi is in this list.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But if we prepare a reverse list, it would be Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld..but do we have spine?

    Anonymous Reply:

    If (a big one at that) and whenever the BJP comes ot power, you and your ilk can always request the Prime Minister (Advani, Modi or Gadkari or BSY, etc. who cares) to show ’spine’ and prepare such a list.

  • http://dealstop.co.uk Larry

    I dont think Vinod Sharma’s estimate that Rahul Gandhi spoke in front of a crowd of 30,000-40,000 is true. He may try to delude people into thinking that he’s writing an blog critical of RG, but these subtle propaganda tidbits tend to have a different motive. The crowd would have been no more than 5000 people

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ SARKARI SWAMI AGNIVESH~~
    ~~~~falls for pretty maids ~~~~
    ==============================================================

    Vinodji, aapka kiraye ka swami agnivesh
    Big Boss mein badal chuka hai bhesh

    Kudiyon ko sikhate yog
    lag gaya usko prem rog

    bahar aake rona shuru
    Mera bhi kuch karo guru !!!!!

    The Congress used him to target Anna, And he got exposed. Well after his tears on leaving the pretty girls… even his undies have got exposed !!!

    Ha hahahhahah !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For a few days, the fake tyagi had become real bhogi and from all indications, the bitching and cat-fights had given way to exploration of the real intent of the fake swami.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good he was exposed. He would support the Maoists and all such causes…

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  • Anonymous

    “If the speculation isn’t without basis, I’d be surprised by the timing of the move.”
    Mr Vinod Sharma has raised a pertinent issue. Why now? There could be two reasons. One ,there could a conspiracy by some from within the Congress Party , to derail him even before he takes off and finally settle ths issue for good. Or the other being that 10 Janpath is no longer confident about 7 RCR and they want to speed up before things go out of hand..
    But one undeniable fact is that Rahul Gandhi is simply not cut out for an important political assignment in the country.He is yet to show that he is no longer a juvenile.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    100% agree.

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  • Anonymous

    UP cabinet clears plan for division of state in four parts

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Lucknow/UP-cabinet-clears-plan-for-division-of-state-in-four-parts/Article1-769341.aspx

    For those living in UP and areas around or familiar with UP, is it a good idea? Pros and cons.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Absolutely fantastic. This is an idea which will remove all chains of poverty faster than all the government schemes.

    Uttrakhand which became a smaller state is progressing very very well…

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  • Anonymous

    We should ask Anna Hazare and his team to agitate in Lucknow and if need be go on fast.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ WHY DIVIDING UP IS A MASTERSTROKE ~~~~~~~
    ==============================================================

    Since Mayawati got division of UP on the national agenda, she should be congratulated. In fact by a single stroke she will achieve what her five years of rule could not. Shake UP into joining the race of progress. People like Mulayam and Amar SIngh, who represent areas which are not Western UP will react adversly and as a matter of reaction start an agitation against this.

    As a matter of record all small states in India have done better than the bigger states.
    PEPSU divided into Punjab, Haryana and Himachal has beome a prosperous area; Gujarat and Maharashtra got partitioned and everyone is happier; Uttrakhand now prospers after it got detatched from UP.

    Imprtantly Bihar could only vote in Nitish when Jharkhand separated. Otherwise the Lalu fromula fo Muslim Yadav combine would always be bigger than progress.

    Similarly since politics in UP only revolves around caste, religion and similar issues, it does requiere a breakup. Smaller states focus on local issues of development and crime.

    The bigger states have politicans who keep creating a votebank by scaring everyone to become a minority

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Its a grand idea which has been talked about for some time. UP has lot of potential. As you pointed out, the politics of caste which took over since 1994 has destroyed that. Uttrakhand marches on after breaking away.

    Yes, dividing UP is a good idea….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay

    All parts of UP have tourism and export/industry potential. Unfortunately in its present incarnation, it is a sloppy giant…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It probably is.

    1) It may open Pandora’s box. Other areas in bigger states would demand the same. Telangana is already in the news. Vidarbha, Marwar, Saurashtra, Southern Tamil Nadu ( I am only guessing) would be also want to separate.

    The Parliament will have to take a firm view on this.

    2) The other question is – Bigger states have a bigger political and economic bigger. How does that even out with the development?

    Any views on this?

    ————–

    On the lighter side – if UP gets divided into 4 states, where are the three more Mayawatis that would be needed in case BSP wins in all the 4 states?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yeats – The Second Coming:

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Can you please translate this in English .

    Ravi Reply:

    सोरी अंग्रेजी में थोर्डा हाथ तंग है

    However, here is some witty stuff, you may like….

    Rahul Gandhi = Raj Thackey Version 2.0 minus education (on regionalism)

    Rahul Gandhi = Advani Version 2.0 minus brain (Communalism)

    Rahul Gandhi = Mulayam Singh Version 2.0 minus guts (Goondagardi)

    Rahul Gandhi is the equivalent of china made product, low on quality high on finish.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist ko mirchi lag gayi..Iske baap rahul ki vocabulary dekhi hai..Bhikhari.. :)

    Rahul has called Ravi Bhikhari because Ravi went to UK to earn a living.

    Digvijay ki nazayaz aulaad.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi ka baap angrez tha. Sawaal hai iski maa angrez ke paas gayi thi..ki angrez iski maa ke paas aaya that? :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    This guy who lives on handouts is quoting Yeats…Bhikmange hai..phir bhi Laatsahib..

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I guess you got the meaning of The Second Coming, as well as;

    My economic condition

    My mothers morality (or lack of it)

    My geneology, and ancestory.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good..Now you know yourself better..F*cking terrorist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Well the farmer in the field waiting for electricty is more bothered about the electricity that the clout his state wields.

    The janata harassed by criminal politicains and a failing police ant results now and not lectures on the importance of state clout.

    The politics will also change. Lalu Yadavs and Digvinash Singhs got kicked out when the states became smaller and the issues more develoment and adminstartion oriented…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In addition, then the “neglected” regions cannot blame the distant capital for its ills and problems.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    I totally oppose this partition business. The time is to divide big states into zone with separate budgets based on backwardness and population. I even support deputy CMs for each zone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Now let us compare UP to US… in terms of population. UP has 20 crores… US has 35 crores.

    US is 50 states…. and almost 70 lakh people per state. ( NOW DONT fire an ak47,,, as state sie population varies in US)

    At one time the cabinet size of UP was 95 Ministers and like Arab Sheikhs dont know the name of their children, the CM probably did not know their names.

    It is impossible to govern UP as a single state as a file from Eastern UP takes 2 months to reach Luknow. I have bid for certain projects their and seen the extreme rot in PWD’s. As a consultant I went for a meeting for river cleanup. It turned out that the PWD minister and the Chief Engineer wanted 50 crores divided… WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK…

    The politics is NOT about development but about Dalits, brahimins, Muslims, Yadavs…

    Uttrakhand which broke away is really prospering. When you come ot India… have a look there… No change, but just becasue it is a smaller state…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More state is not the solution. Why don’t you compare states of India and US by area too. Alaska is as big as Pakistan and Texas???

    The real problem is distribution of resources. This can be easily worked out by experts if state is divided in zones with each zone getting its rightful share and implementation machinery. Dividing state will be only helpful for politician. Today BSP has one in CM in UP and tomorrow it will have 4 CM in state state and claim to be national party at par with Congress and BJP.

    I have never supported BJP on this division business..It is aimed at giving political power to multiple leaders who otherwise will kill each other to be CM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Rajeev. I am no fan of mayawati. It is not even her original idea.

    But look at Himachal, Goa,uttrkhand, Punjab, haryana, Delhi, and compare with UP, Bihar (before division) , Orissa,

    In case Maharshtra and Gujarat were one, both would NOT have been prosperous.

    We are not dividing the country… just dividing the states.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry, my opposition to division of state is purely ideological.

    Creating more state will only help politicians and increase feeling of regionalism. It is absolutely bogus idea.

    The development has nothing to do with size, it is all about governance and fair allocation of resources.

    Can Apple be a great company if it is divided into number of USD 1 Million companies?

    I don’t buy this division business. The solution is to distribute fair share of resources.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Division plan not in tune with demands.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Lucknow/Division-plan-not-in-tune-with-demands/Article1-769738.aspx

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    FEROZE KHAN ‘S GRANDSON NEEDS NO LONG ROUTE. IF HE SUCCEEDS IT IS HIS ACHIEVEMENT ,IF HE DOESNOT THE PARTY HAS NOT TOILED ENOUGH AS SAID BY SALMAN KHURSHID EARLIER ON POLL DEBACLE IN UP.CHIT BHI TERI ,PATT BHI TERI,RAHUL BABA.
    WHAT CUT SHARMA IS TALKING IS KNOWN TO HIM ONLY.
    HOW TO USE MUSCLES ALSO HAS BEEN SHOWN BY NONE LESS THAN A JITENDRA PRASAD’SON A CENTRAL MINISTER,PROMOD TEWARI AND SOME SINGH. THE GANG WAS IN FULL OPERATION IN FULL VIEW OF TV CAMERAS AND SALMAN KHURSHID ,JAI PRAKASH JAISWAL AND RAHUL.
    A GREAT PARTY INDEED.
    BY THE WAY SHARMA JI WHICH CUT RAJIV USED?

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  • m.malla

    Rahul is trying his luck at a time when the credibility of his party is at its lowest ebb.It seems he can not retrieve the situation.People want development and they will vote to power those who can perform according to their desires.The memory of the people is not so short that they can forget the failure of congress on all fronts.Development and not the individuals matter now. The recent example is that of Bihar.

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  • Anonymous

    Rahul Gandhi = Raj Thackey Version 2.0 minus education (on regionalism)

    Rahul Gandhi = Advani Version 2.0 minus brain (Communalism)

    Rahul Gandhi = Mulayam Singh Version 2.0 minus guts (Goondagardi)

    Rahul Gandhi is the equivalent of china made product, low on quality high on finish.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congressis = Corrupt, Criminals, Casteists, Communal, anti-nationals, liars, propagandists, fakes, pro-terrorists…absolute filth who have kept India a 3rd world country that has half the world’s underwight children, half the poor…India is home of poverty thanks to Congress rule. The only congressis PVN who tried doing something is treated like untouchable because he dared take on DIVINE dynasty.

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  • Anonymous

    I fail to understand how educated Congressis can tolerate this ****** Rahul Gandhi. There are some ardent congress supporters here who are afraid to say even a word against this ******. What can you expect from such people who have no backbone?

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  • Anonymous

    Now that whole of Rajasthan’s ministry has resigned on Bhanwari devi case, Is Rahul Gandhi going to call all Rajasthanis Randibaaz?

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  • Anonymous

    Pl. read this interview of Astish Taseer son of slain Salman Taseer and Journo Tavleen Singh. His views on Arundhati Roy darling of anti-national congresis are blunt and very refreshing.

    http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/ataseer/2011/10/aatish-taseer-the-tnb-self-interview/

    You’ve said some pretty harsh things about a certain writer *** activists on the Left–no names!–who, we in the States, kind of like. She seems, in an environment of rapacious capitalism, to be a friend of the poor and marginalised. What possible objection could you have to her?

    Aatish: None except that I don’t think she’s a friend of the poor at all. She would like to doom them to a permanent state of picturesque poverty. They are beautiful to her–the poor–beautiful, benign and faceless. And that is exactly how she wants them to stay. Let me say also that it is not the poor who animate her politics. Oh, no! The people who get her into the streets are the new middle classes. This class, still among the most fragile in India, people who have newly emerged from the most dire conditions, are despicable to her. She mocks their clothes; their trouble with English; she hates their ambitions; when India wins the cricket and she sees them celebrating, her skin crawls; she wants, more than anything, to do these people down. And it is her overwhelming hatred of them that allows her to be a friend of movements that are seemingly far apart. The jihadists, the Maoists, the Kashmir movement, the anti-development people…they’re all her friends. Anyone who can prove a credible threat to the future of India is a friend of that woman. I would go so far as to say she has a prurient fascination with the enemies of India. And where do they love her? In Pakistan, and in the faculty rooms of Europe and America. No surprise there.

    Also, this business of pretending she’s a lone voice in the wilderness. What rubbish! At least have the good grace to admit that not one thing she says is provocative or new; it is perfectly banal. And we know how well the universities Europe and America reward this bogus cant!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Tks for the link.
    There is no difference between Ms. Roy and Rahul Gandhi. Both love
    poor people of India and both want them to stay poor for ever.

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  • Anonymous

    =============================================================
    ~~ WILL ARNAB, THE VOICE OF iNDIA BE SILENCED into submission?
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    In a strange case the former Chief justice of Supreme court launched a case against Times Now, becasue his mug had been shown wrongly and he won… for damages amounting to 100 crores.

    Now

    a) I would hate to be in the position of the junior subeditor who put in the wrong clip :)

    b) more seriously the Times Now channel will need the Congress help at the centre to get out of this one. And Digviansh Singh will ask for a price, Salute the Yuvraj and tone down all rhetoric.

    I have a feeling, Arnab who lead the charge against corruption will have to change his tune to that of NDTV and CNN IBN….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Therefore, Arnab Goswami, don’t be surprised if you get a mid-night knock from Chidambaram’s Gestapo. In fact, be prepared for it.

    Shakespeare might have said, “Thrice is he armed that has justice on his side”. But in the Sonia Raj of today, Arnab Goswami would do well to do the disappearing act this week end.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes I won’t be surpised.

    However I would feel sad that a good TV anchor and a fearless guys has to get silenced…

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,
    There is no relationship between size of states and development. Read this story-

    http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/62687/12/4

    लखनऊ। यूपी के बंटवारे के पीछे मायावती की दलील है कि छोटे राज्यों का तेजी से विकास होता है। लेकिन अब तक के मौजूद आंकड़े इस दलील को सही नहीं ठहरा रहे। खुद मायावती का कार्यकाल भी इस आंकड़े को झुठला रहा है। कुछ मामलों में तो यूपी कई विकसित राज्यों की बराबरी कर रहा है।
    साल 2011 की यूनाइटेड नेशंस डेवलपमेंट प्रोग्राम यानि यूएनडीपी की रिपोर्ट दुनिया के अलग-अलग देशों के अलग अलग राज्यों में आम आदमी के विकास को परखती है। रिपोर्ट के मुताबिक मानव विकास के मामले में अगर भारत को 50 अंक मिले हैं तो उत्तर प्रदेश को 47 अंक। वहीं क्षेत्रफल में यूपी से कहीं बड़े महाराष्ट्र को 54 अंक और नए राज्यों में से एक छत्तीसगढ़ को 45 अंक मिले हैं।

    बात करें शिक्षा में विकास की तो यहां भी क्षेत्रफल में बड़े राज्य महाराष्ट्र को भारत की औसत विकास दर से ज्यादा अंक मिले हैं। इस मामले में यूपी नए राज्य छत्तीसगढ़ से थोड़ा पीछे है। वहीं आमदनी में विकास का आंकड़ा गवाह है कि एक बार फिर महाराष्ट्र जैसा बड़ा राज्य भारत की औसत विकास दर से टक्कर ले रहा है। 11 साल पहले बना राज्य छत्तीसगढ़ अब भी यूपी से पीछे ही है।

    स्वास्थ्य सुधार मामले में यूएनडीपी की रिपोर्ट में भारत को 70 अंक मिले हैं। जबकि यूपी को 65 और महाराष्ट्र को 77 अंक मिले हैं। क्षेत्रफल में छोटे और नए राज्य छत्तीसगढ़ को स्वास्थ्य सुधार में सिर्फ 61 अंक मिले हैं। यानि भारत से औसत से भी कम। यूएनडीपी की ये रिपोर्ट इसी साल की है। आंकड़े गवाह हैं कि नए और क्षेत्रफल में छोटे राज्य बड़े राज्यों से मुकाबला नहीं कर पा रहे हैं। ऐसे में मुख्यमंत्री मायावती का ये दावा कि बड़े राज्यों में विकास की गति तेजी नहीं पकड़ पाती।
    इसके अलावा पिछले महीने ही आई केंद्र सरकार की ह्यूमन डेवलपमेंट रिपोर्ट में भी उत्तर प्रदेश को मानव विकास के मामले में गुजरात जैसे राज्य से कहीं बेहतर माना गया था। उत्तर प्रदेश की ताकत का अंदाजा आप इन आंकड़ों से भी लगा सकते हैं कि यूपी फिलहाल देश के उन 5 राज्यों में से एक है जो विकास दर के निर्धारित लक्ष्य से भी आगे निकल गए हैं। उत्तर प्रदेश की विकास दर 7.28 फीसदी है। जबकि राज्य ने विकास दर के लिए लक्ष्य रखा था 6.10 फीसदी। ये भी ध्यान दीजिए की आजादी के बाद से 2007 तक यूपी की विकास दर कभी भी 5 फीसदी से ज्यादा नहीं रही है।
    ऐसे में मायावती के इस दावे कि छोटे राज्य में ही बेहतर विकास हो सकता है खुद उनका कार्यकाल ही गलत साबित कर रहा है। जाहिर है विकास के आंकड़े छोटे राज्यों के पक्ष में जाते नहीं दिख रहे। बिहार और झारखंड का उदाहरण भी हमारे सामने है। राज्य बनने के बाद झारखंड के 37 विधायकों की संपत्ति में तीन हजार फीसदी का इजाफा हुआ है। इस छोटे से राज्य की पहचान अब भी भ्रष्टाचार, कमजोर सरकार और पिछड़ेपन की वजह से ही है।
    यही नहीं, इस वक्त आंध्र प्रदेश को अलग करके तेलंगाना, महाराष्ट्र से विदर्भ, असम में बोडोलैंड और गुजरात को बांटकर अलग सौराष्ट्र। राज्य बनाने की मांग उठी हुई है।

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    engrich Reply:

    mayawati is in hands of brhmnsts.up should not be divided.unity is our power.
    brhmnsts or zoinists wants whole world to be divided in small entities.to be controlled easily and enslave easily.up grew after brhmnst congress was kicked out and backwards and dalits took the reign of power.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Do you know Kiyani is actually an Isreali and Gilani is an American Mormon female cross dresser?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But, how can he………..with Sherry Rehman?

    Anonymous Reply:

    well could be a lesb_ _ _

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Sab kuch theek hai ! Dont kill the idea bcos Maya has suggested it.

    Believe me I grieve for UP when I see how things are done in Gurgaon or in Punjab. Even Noida and Greater Noida(in UP) being one central decison making zone manage to flourish. But rest of UP wont.
    Despite
    a) Tourism places lke Varanasi and Agra and what not
    b) Export potential of Handicrafts
    etc etc

    it is just too huge. No decison ever takes place except those which benefit the CM. Inc ae it was four states, four times more decison making will happen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    there is ring of truth and honesty in what you say about the badh-haal of Gurgaon in comparison to NOIDA. I have worked in Gurgaon and Faridabad, and visited NOIDA regularly in the line of duty, and I agree with most of what you say about the city planning etc.

    As for the four-way division of UP, if it is done keeping in view the socio-cultural and linguistic aspects, as Praveen Saxena has said, the idea is whose time has come. JAI U.P.
    JAI BHARAT.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I hope it does not become a political quagmire. No party would like the other to take credit.

    It rather requires a common platform where all can get together and get this thru. Of course this will not happen.. !!

    yeh hai India meri jaan !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    it certainly will be a quagmire, which will mire BSP and the congress upto their necks. Look at the mess the congress party has created in Telangana.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am opposed to the idea of division whether it comes from Maya, Mulayam, Rajnath or filth Kumar Rahul.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Just be a bit dispassionate. The North eastern States would have still suffered more in case there was one Assam and NEFA.

    UK with one fourth the population of UP has so many counties…

    Governance is about small managable districts and states. A school classroom with 100 boys and girls fails in comparison with that of 25 students…

    Anonymous Reply:

    UP had some 426 MLAs before Uttarakhand was made,,Now UP has 403 and Uttarakhand 70…There are 47 extra MLAs, two CMs..two ministry and obviously double corruption.

    What did people gain?

  • Anonymous

    Here is how the new generation lovers fight:

    Boy to girl: Apna figure to dekho..
    Sirf bones hi bones Hai!

    Girl: Isiliye main itni der se soch rahi hun
    Ki mere pass Kutta qyon khada hai???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha . Good one.

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  • Anonymous

    We all know that politicians do desperate things when they are under pressure. So Mayawati thought of this sudden and hasty move to divide UP into 4 parts.Is that going to be be “win-win” move for her , or a “win some loose some”, or a ” win some loose more “. In my view it is going to be ..”.win some loose more .”
    Only Bundelkhand and Ajit Singh have been demanding division of UP.Bundelkhand for the right reasons and UP would have supported it. Ajit Singh for political reasons, that it would give him a Jat dominated state and secure his own political future but doubtful if even other non Jat segments are in favour of it.
    But there has been absolutely no demand from any other area or segment.The districts shown in the 4 parts are so ill thought that it is only going to create more uncertainty and instability in the minds of the people.e.g Allahabad is more akin to Awadh than Poorvanchal. In East UP the dialect spoken is Bhojpuri but in Allahabad it is Awadhi. When I see the districts shown in the 4 divisions I see more such incongruencies than consistency. The dialect f some districts like Meerut , Saharanpur ,is Khado Boli closer to Haryana but Agra , Aligarh etc is Brij Bhasha. more akin to Badaun Mainpuri etc shown in Awadh.
    My take ..Mayawati may loose more than it can hope to gain from this shagoofa.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    as engrich says, ‘Mayawati is in the hands of brahmnsts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe that Budelkhand region also includes parts of Madhya Pradesh. How that will be resolved? Would MP agree to let go the area in question?

    I also believe the final view will have to be taken by the Parliament.

    It has been suggested that the Government set up States Reorganization Commission to correctly divide larger states taking into considerations the points you have raised like languages, culture, etc. other than geography. Also because there would be demands from other parts of country – Telangana is already on the boil. The others may be Vidarbha, Southern Tamil Nadu, Saurashtra, Marwar,……….. . It may open Pandora’s Box.

    As I see it, Mayawati has resurrected the plan (which has been articulated and discussed many times before) to get political advantage over her rivals, which include all other parties.

    Whether she will loose more than win or the other way around, only time will tell.

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  • Anonymous

    Very soon new India will emerge which will be similar to older version of princely states.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    With politicians as kings, queens, princes and princesses.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Using girls as the COngressis were exploiting the poor Bhanwari Devi…

    Is that part of the Congress 20 pt program? Upliftment of women leading and all that…

    So sweet…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am posting these links to refresh your memory or in denial (very convenient). The point is that you have chosen to give a political colour to the scandals.

    http://www.indiatimes.com/photostory/4835200.cms

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bjp-recoils-from-gaur-sex-scandal/1169-4.html

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bjp-minister-quits-after-sex-scandal-report/114397-37-64.html

    http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/MP-BHO-mandsaur-sex-scandal-for-bjp-probe-not-important-1855774.html

    You are free to justify any wrong doing by your zeroes with any ****-and-bull concoction as you deem fit, as these pertain to “purer than pure” RSS/BJP.

    Happy reading. Or should I say ‘discomforting’ reading.

    PS: You can post links about N D Tiwari’s escapades to complete the picture, if that makes you happy . IMO, sex and scandals know no politics.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ manohar

    For a retd guy… you certainly do keep a good logbook of all the sex scandals!! i am now looking forward to retirement one day…

    Arre boss… hum kuch joke maar raha thaa!!

    Hans lo yaaro…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Main bhi joke hi maar rahaa hoon.

    I was looking for some ****-and-bull stories to have a good laugh.

    No logbook – just Google.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Most congressmen confuse ‘mahila+uddhaar with mahilodar.
    For them upliftment is the same as lifting up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I am quoting here the congressie troll and for your entertainment here are a few links:
    “I am posting these links to refresh your memory or in denial (very convenient). The point is that you have chosen to give a political colour to the scandals.”

    1. celibacy thy name is mahatma Gandhi.
    http://writechoice.wordpress.com/tag/mahatma-gandhis-sexual-preferences/
    2 http://www.zimbio.com/Ghandi+quotes/articles/30/Sex+Mohandas+Gandhi+adulterous+affair+Sarla

    3 widowerhood thy name is Jawaharlal Nehru
    http://rupeenews.com/2009/11/edwina-nehru-affair-was-sexual-catherine-clement/

    4.married or single, Flirtatiousness they name is Indira Gandhi:
    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?211174

  • Anonymous

    ===========================================================
    ~~~ RAHUL INDEED IS GAFFE PRONE ~~~~~~~
    ============================================================

    Rahul’s big gaffe of Upites begging in Mumbai may just do him similsr damage as his father caused by calling Calcutta a decaying city. The Congress lost Bengal ever after that.

    So has Rahul caused the biggest gaffe in his first appearence???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Salman Khan was in Dubai last week. A journalist asked him whether
    this is his best periord of film carreer. Hel replied that best is yet to come.
    Simillarly do not underestimate our Amul baby. His best is yet to come.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is a tongue-in-cheek look Kingfisher Airlines.

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/thelostmaven/entry/indian-kingfisher-an-endangered-species

    Enjoy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Mallaya has requested everyone to get drunk, which will help him
    in this financial crisis. I being a person who cannot see any one in
    dire straits is going to help him. I will get drunk tonight, tommorow and
    day after.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you help him, you will be making a signal contribution to the preservation, protection and restoration of ‘wild’ life, under the Wild Life Protection Act, 1972

    The question is whose wild life? ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “‘ wild life ”

    Someone on this blog about a month back had warned me
    that too much drinking will affect my ‘ performance ‘ .

    If that happens I can always take revival tips from
    Mr. N D Tiwari or Mr. Silvio Berlusconi. If they dont oblige
    I am sure Mr. Mahipal Maderna will help me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    At this age, you need advice!

  • Anonymous

    ————————————————————————————————-
    Musharraf : Pakistanis hold Dawood Ibrahim in high esteem.
    ————————————————————————————————–

    LONDON: Former Pakistani president and All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) Chief Pervez Musharraf said that he did not know whether or not Dawood Ibrahim, accused of being a terrorist by the US and India, is in Pakistan.
    In an interview with NDTV on Tuesday, Musharraf told his interviewer Barkha Dutt that the Pakistani perspective is that Dawood Ibrahim is a man to be held in high esteem and that the “situation is complicated”.
    “They (Pakistanis) think that he did a very good job… Because Indians killed 3,000 Gujratis… In Gujrat they killed 3,000 Muslims. Therefore Dawood Ibrahim reacted. So he is held in high esteem. This is what happens in Pakistan.”
    India believes that Ibrahim funded and masterminded the 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai in which at least 250 people were killed and 700 injured.
    Musharraf added that he does not think that terrorism is an appropriate reaction to the Gujrat massacre, but maintained that the Indian and Pakistani perspective on Ibrahim are different
    Pakistan denies that Ibrahim is given protection.
    Ibrahim is on Interpol’s list for organised crimes and was also designated a global terrorist by the US treasury dept in 2003.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/292706/pakistanis-hold-dawood-ibrahim-in-high-esteem-musharraf/

    1. 1st of all Mumbai blasts happened 10 years before Gujrat riots. Musharraf is a idiot besides being a criminal.
    2. In Gujrat riots , excluding Godhra where pilgrims were killed and which sparked the riots, 254 hindus and 794 musims were killed.

    Does anyone need any more proof about how the Pakistan state itself and its very top officials are directly involved in providing protection and shelter to the smuggler turned killer Dawood ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The problem lies not only with Pakistan or Mushraff but with our media
    like NDTV also who gives importance to proven anti Indian Pakistanis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vajpayee was a big fool who did not see thru Musharraf. The people expected BJP to handle pakistan properly but it emulated Congress and made a mess of whole thing. It was always high on decibel and low on delivery when it came to pakistan. We can expect congressis to be compromising because they are known to sell national interest but even BJP did the same.

    What stops India from covert operation to take out Dawood? In fact there is no political will to do that because many politicians from all parties have some kind of links with Dawood. If Dawood is captured or killed, his henchmen may reveal information that can be very dangerous to the health of many politicians especially the one from Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    India fails to understand what motivates the Pakistani criminal mind from Jinnah to Musharraf. I assume, fool Vajpayee had no appreciation of the religion inspired identity , deceit and sheer shamelessness and lack of any sense of honor or ethics that constitutes the Pak state policy and the minds of its rulers. You can see from Musharraf’s reply his perverted sense of right and wrong and brazen shamelessness about it. As per Musharraf “..Dawood did a very good job” , referring to arbitrary killing of 300-400 innocent people by Dawood in Mumbai, in so called retalaition of alleged grieviences against India. Pak criminality nd ingrained vile nature of the Pak entity is matched by Indian spinelessness and credulity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Our journalist especially Barkha Dutt are sold out. Any other smart journalist should have asked a counter question “Is America doing good things by killing people in pakistani territory?”

    You need guts to do that but people like Barkha have made their career bashing India and hindus and projecting muslims as BECHARAS.

  • Anonymous

    I am still waiting for Congressis to comment on shameful behavior of Rahul and his henchmen at Phulpur rally.

    If Modi had done the same thing, these congressis would be hopping mad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Pintu was having habit of eating nails of his hands.

    His parents sent him to yoga guru ramdev baba for treatment

    Now Pintu can eat nails of his legs also:..

    I WISH SONIA MATA TOO WILL SEND RAHUL BABA TO RAMDEV BABA FOR A CURE TO HIS FOOT-IN-THE MOUTH DISEASE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is actualy Dig Vijay the guru of Amul baby who needs a cure .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    After hearing the filth of Rahul Gandhi, I am doubly convinced that he is getting his political education from Filth-Guru Digvijay.

    Ravi Reply:

    I would hazard a guess that Rahul would like to go to the same clinic where……..

    ……K Sudarshan goes to have Mohan Bahgwat’s foot removed from his mouth.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bechara Congressi..chor..Rahul ko galat nahi bata sakta..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Congress kickstarts campaign in UP by Jitin Prasada, Rahul’s hand-picked chela minister, kicking a Samajwadi party worker in the ribs, that too on camera. Digvinash Singh defends the great act of bravery by Prasada dealing kicks on a fallen human being, saying that the person was asking for it by being present there!

  • Anonymous

    SONY are frantically trying to locate this “repair” shop:

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  • Anonymous

    Yeh London wale sub kahaan gum ho gaye hain.
    Balwinder, Mishra, Shan. I hope every thing is ok with you guys.

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  • Anonymous

    Rahul’s utterance = divine truth for congressis and media

    Why is that so?

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  • Ravi

    All these adverse comments on Rahul Gandhi’s performance in Phulpur from the FASCIT BOG ROLLS, and not one of the SAFFRON TERRORISTS has reviewed the entire speech.

    Daring as it was and the general opinion is that it was courageous in tone and politically astute.

    It seems that all the BOG ROLLS here received their briefing papers from Nagpur all at the same time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is coming from a self-confessed Osama lover.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where do you beg in LONDON?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Agree wih you. Yes, Rahul Gandhi was very daring . Without getting
    scared he said ” UP WAALE APNE STATE SE BAHAR JAKAR BHEEKH
    MAANGTE HAI. “”

    Even the most famous bikhari of UP, Mr. Amitabh Bachchan has appreciated his courage.

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  • Anonymous

    Digvijay and his chelas on this forum has alleged that Hindustan times works for RSS. They happened to notice “Subscribe by RSS” on HT web-sites. :)

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  • Anonymous

    Jangal mein mor nacha kisine na dekha
    Rahul ne Maya ko kuch ulta-seedha bola
    hai re, sab ne chillaya aur cheeka,
    ’socho jyada, achcha hoga karo kam bola’

    Rajiv ne ek baar Benazir ko thi naani yaad dilayi
    jab baat corruption ki ho, toh Rahul ko apni naani yaad ayi
    inke poorvaj ne dilayi thi desh ke haath mein bhiksha paatr
    UP walon ko bhikari kehke kya Rahul banta hai kshama patr?

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharma says, “No short cuts to success for Rahul”

    unfortunately, there are no long cuts too for the prince, who will always remain and be remembered as the Amul Baby, ‘jise door door thak koyi success dikhayi nahin de raha hai’

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    Ravi Reply:

    ‘jise door door thak koyi success dikhayi nahin de raha hai’

    A condition with which you and your SANGHI friends are more than familiar with.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist speaks again…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    You are utterly “wrong”. The RSS/BJP has only known success, if you were to believe the bloggers here.

    Recent and some old “success” stories/nautankis. ;-)

    1) Upvaas by the world’s “greatest” chief minister. He really pulled a fast (pun intended) one.
    2) Rath yatra by L K Advani.
    3) Sleep walking (in spite of the intense glare from India Shining) through 2004 elections. Repeat performance in 2009.
    4) Stalling parliament repeatedly.
    5) BSY getting bail.
    6) Gadkari getting rid of a lot of flab by surgery, as he has been unable to “throw” his weight around.

    I could go on. You get the gist. Now sit and back relax to watch the abuser-in-chief and perhaps others in action.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought you were not a Congressi… Congress has done everything and even worse on all the points that you have put. Why is your tongue tied when it comes to speaking truth about Congress? You want everyone to bash RSS/BJP but congress is a holy cow for you.

    1. Upvaas is normal nautanki by congressis,..Modi only emulated them.
    2. Congress doesn’t need Rath Yatra because Media does a PR for them,
    3. Between 1991-2004, congress suffered from same sleep walking. In 2004 & 2009 35% of Congress votes came from communally polarized muslims and christians.
    4. Congress did same between 1998-2004..Remember how it stalled parliament for month opposing George Fernandes.
    5. No congress wallah has been arrested for 2G yet.
    6. Rahul getting rid of brain without surgery.

    I could go on. You get the gist. The congress is the worst and others are just Mini Mes.

    You congressi corrupt can just do that..always point fingers at other. Every congressi is a digvijay..

    Mazaa aaya.. You are now behaving exactly like Digvijay…Just for some mazaa either you cry RSS RSS or lick feets of Dynasty… Uncleji, Kya sharam bech ke khaa gaye…Chor-Uchchakka-pan zyada der nahi chupta..

    Anonymous Reply:

    2. Congress doesn’t need Rath Yatra because Media does a PR for them,

    Blame others for the shortcomings and woes of the BJP! If it cannot manage media, how can it manage the country?

    You (an expert you consider yourself, passing judgments left, right and centre) should teach the BJP how to manage the media. You can do it for free or charge Re 1/-

    3. George Fernandes – parliament was not stalled, they simply used to walk out of the house.

    My tongue is not tied. Read on.

    I do not deny that the Congress was in doldrums – so no issues there from my side.

    4. Rahul – that is why I too maintain that he is not fit to be the Prime Minister. Do you have an issue with my stand?

    Rest of your post was repeat of what I said, by a low priced parrot. Next time make extra effort to come up with something original. Plagiarism is not on.

    Ravi Reply:

    Well just as well that some of us do not believe the fascist bog rolls here.

    I noticed how the simple test you set was side-stepped by these RSS sevaks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The terrorists i.e. parasites need a host to survive..Manohar has become a host for you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It was not a test and many of them follow a simple principle – discretion is a better part of the valour.

  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ INTERESTING ARTICLE IN DAWN ON THE NEW INDIAN PM ~~~
    ==============================================================

    THIS summer of India’s discontent not only shook the nation, it also dealt a body blow to its most powerful politician, Sonia Gandhi. In August, Gandhi was whisked away to the US, ostensibly for surgery of what was believed to be an unspecified cancer.

    A pall of silence fell over her, but when she returned to India in September, her Congress party, true to obsequious form, declared her ‘fighting fit’. On Nov 9 though, Gandhi cancelled her first public speech after her operation, instilling doubts about her recovery. Speculation is rampant that she will soon make way for her son, Rahul.

    she empowered herself to handpick the country’s prime minister, and dismiss him at will. Beholden to her thus, he seldom fails to acknowledge her supremacy.

    During her month-long absence from India, key ministers sparred with each other, almost bringing down the government. When the cat is away, the mice will play. Upon her return to India, she cracked the whip. The belligerents duly fell in line. Such clout can cloud the sensibility to distinguish between personal rights and public duties.

    At 79, Manmohan Singh is no spring chicken. He too has battled grave disease. Gandhi has clearly given serious thought to succession planning. Her son Rahul Gandhi’s role in the party is set to expand, although without an immediate ascension to premiership. A stopgap prime minister has purportedly been identified in Defence Minister A.K. Antony.

    Gandhi put him in charge, in part, of party matters when she went abroad, and it was he who delivered her above-mentioned speech. In cabinet meetings, all understand that his is the voice of Gandhi.

    Left in the lurch is Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, a perennial prime ministerial aspirant. He is Gandhi’s go-to man for all problems, but with the crown she will trust him not. Unlike Singh or Antony, Mukherjee commands a significant following in the Congress. His pliancy is consequently called into question, and pliancy is a sine qua non for becoming India’s premier today. After all, whenever Rahul Gandhi deems himself ready, all unseemliness must be avoided for the coronation of the crown prince. Miffed, Mukherjee has made clear that he will retire if the sceptre is not handed to him next. Without his realpolitik, a Congress government could be expected to survive about as long as a fish out of water.

    Such then are the momentous decisions pending on Gandhi. For seven years, a regent-like prime minister has filled the void, with Gandhi wielding de facto power. Even Bairam Khan could hold the Mughal fort for only four years, until Akbar came of age. Unlike Akbar, Rahul Gandhi is a reluctant prince. While his mother was in the pink of health, it appeared that he had time on his side, but the runway is fast receding.

    India has seen many a dynasty. Since 1947, the Nehru-Gandhi family has reigned supreme. Jawaharlal Nehru would be astonished at what he has begot. A cult-like devotion has developed for the family. Fawning courtiers outdo one another in claims of its indispensability.

    Even political adversaries come to pay obeisance. Riven by division, they appreciate the value of a paramount leader, who can keep the flock in line, and the public in thrall.

    Most of India’s media too has toed the line that Gandhi’s health is her own business, with rare exceptions such as The Hindu, which has questioned why an omertà, a code of silence, is being enforced on Gandhi’s health.In a democracy of over a billion, is asking whether the foremost leader is fit to lead appropriate, or is it tantamount to heresy?

    her own prime minister is ill-served by her lack of transparency. Family cronies mock him at every turn. Some label him an experiment, others cry for Rahul Gandhi to take over.

    Keeping all comers guessing is a hallmark of rulers, and it is said of the Gandhis that they know how to rule. The prime minister is rendered vexed whether to take the hint and quit, or stay and endure the humiliation. When his patience gets exhausted, he hesitatingly meets the press to emphasise, impromptu, that he is no lame duck. His protestations only enhance the general impression of an isolated, hapless man. Many wonder why he, who has served his country with such integrity for so long, does not pack up his bags and leave the Congress to its shenanigans.

    In plunging into public life, Gandhi must have known that there would be few walls of seclusion. She says she has given India the right to know. Well, then, India has the right to know about the condition of the current arbiter of its destiny.

    sunil_sharan@yahoo.com

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar claims that he is not a congressi but on every issue right from CWG, 2G to JanLokpal to Digvijay’s filth to Rahul’s non-sense, he justifies congress. He finds communal politics played by Congress very secular in nature..Looks like this 1946 born has become senile in the company of another senile terrorist Ravi. The still think that this Congress is Congress of Mahatma Gandhi. That Congress died the day India got independence. After that came family enterprise Congress of Nehru with brief interruption of Shashtri, then congress turned corrupt and dictatorial under Indira/Sanjay/Rajiv and now it is corrupt communal fascist and anti-national under Sonia.

    But Congressi trolls can not see anything except RSS…Looks like this is the only way for them to cover Congress loot.

    Most of the Congressis know in their heart that Sonia’s game is up..so they are now forming alliance with terrorist elements and think that they can come back to power by playing their dirty minority communal politics.
    If BJP replies in same card, I won’t be surprised. They will earn right to do so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you have made your day – which you keep doing 365 days a year – so and so is a Congressi or whatever. Khush raho and sleep well after the day’s deed has been done.I look forward toy ou repeating it tomorrow too, the day after and …..

    ——–

    After that came family enterprise Congress of Nehru with brief interruption of Shashtri, then congress turned corrupt and dictatorial under Indira/Sanjay/Rajiv and now it is corrupt communal fascist and anti-national under Sonia.

    It probably is true.

    So what are you going to do anything about it, sitting on the other side of the world? Only rant or anything concrete?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The jihadi is right. The congress of Mahatma Gandhi is long dead and what we have today is a congress led by the daughter of a Fascist foot soldier, who served Mussolini for long years. So much so, she has hidden ancestry, her real name, her educational “qualifications” or what little she had of them and also her status as a bar girl serving liquor to “clients” and today she is heading the congress of Mahatma Gandhi who preached abstinence from liquor and supported prohibition!

    She has also shamelessly taken the name of Gandhi! What a GHANDY we have here!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yet another need-less attack on personality. No issues discussed or progressed, just purile abuse.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What else were you expecting? A scholarly discourse!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Look who is talking..the one who abuses everyone who doesn’t agree with his warped view as Sanghi. The one who finds nothing wrong with Corruption…

    The one who aligns with a known jehadi sympathiser just because he provides him fodder of hatred against Indians…

    Ram milyai jodi..ek andha..ek kodhi..

    Sahi hai..Terrorism aur Congress are synonym of each other.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If I start and end every sentence with sanghi, what is it you – why do you squirm?

  • Ravi

    The fact the Congress of today is not the same as it was when India was not yet independent, is just about the best compliment a political party can wish for. Today’s India is not the same as it was before the independence, as India has evolved so has the congress party.

    Let us contrast with the Sangh Parivar.

    At its inception it was pushing on two fronts. Artificially trying to homogenize a richly diverse Hindu population into a very large communal vote bank and ensuring that Muslims were once for all knocked down into accepting a second-class citizenship.

    To achieve the above, it has high-jacked the history of India and started to magnify minor players into gigantic personalities. Even highjacking the congress hardman and making him their own.

    Whilst it opposes religious fundamentalism in neighbouring countries, it manages to camouflage its own religious fascistic fundamental agenda, by labelling it as nationalism. In that respect, its objectives and tactics are indistinguishable from those practiced by the Italian fascist party.

    Since it knows that its real policies are largely unpalatable, it from the start adopted the tactic of not focusing on policies, but instead unreasonable but relentlessly attack personalities. One can witness that same technique being practiced on this very page and previous blogs.

    You know that they have lost the argument when every other post labels one as a terrorist, Osama lover, a ******* of a white father and mother of loose morals, etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Today Congress is Casteist, corrupt, communal like muslim league and anti-national…If that is a compliment, you truly are son of Osama and Osama is a prophet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More

    1) Attempts to borrow leaders and show them as their own , desperate tries to project themselves as them – Loh Purush, Chhote Sardar (he will remain small). Stark bankruptcy of their own “tallest” leaders or not worth projecting them.

    2) Soon after the BJP came to power. They let out a falsehood that so and so – one of their ‘tallest’ leaders, was a President of the Lucknow University Students Union in 1942 or 1943, to show how tall he was. In doing so, they forgot one little detail – the man who was actually the President was very much alive and so were many of the office-bearers. All round condemnation of the BJP’s attempt to rewrite history of the students union followed.

    Lies, falsehoods, untruths, innuendos, …………..

    —————–

    The RSS supporters’ first and the last defence is to shoot the messenger – call him names, abuse him, attribute motives, suspect his credentials (as if these trolls have divine right to sit in judgment over others) and the latest parroting.

    Arguments to counter? They do not have them in first place. So many times it is some ****-and-bull concoctions. Even ***** and bulls will be amazed to hear them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    All these arguments are very stale and don’t make any sense. You congressis and terrorists are the one who use abuse when you have no answer. You are scared to condemn potty-mouth Rahul because he provides you with status quo.
    All you can do is lie and lie & keep dreaming it will become truth one day. Today you and Ravi, one ardent congressi and other terrorist stand marginalized on this forum. That speaks volumes about who is speaking the truth.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are very obedient. You made your day by calling me congressi. I now will wait for the repeat performance tomorrow.

    Marginalized! You must be a very little man – celebrating on such a issue. If it gives you any pleasure, go ahead and enjoy your “victory”.

    The two of us – individually are enough for the likes of you. We keep discomforting you all – the reactions say it all.

  • Anonymous

    Why is that terrorist Ravi and Congressi Manohar are aligned together? It is because Congressis and ISlamic terrorists are natural allies.

    This is new Congress.

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  • Anonymous

    Why does Mr Vinod Sharma get his stories wrong?
    After Vir Sanghvi questioned the HT story on the Shanti Bhushan CD, the SC yesterday asked the CBI to explain its stand on allegations against the Amit Shah. To quote the TOI
    “ The bench indicated its agreement with Jethmalani’s submissions and told additional solicitor general Vivek Tankha, who appeared for CBI, that “the complaints appears to be absolute trash”.

    “Mr Tankha, you (the CBI) are supposed to be the finest investigating agency. You have to respond to all these lapses and deficiencies. The insinuations (against Shah) were wholly unwarranted and totally unfair,” the bench said. “
    I recall there was a TV discussion on the CWG loot and Mr Vinod Sharma instead of talking on that kept yelling at the Panel “but what about Amit Shah “.
    Alas…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The CBI has no credibility. It has been misused by the part y in power. We can say that Congress has misused it the most, as it has been power the most.

    Its conviction rate is pathetic 4%.

    What is amazing that the politicians from all parties keep demanding CBI probe in almost every case. Are they genuine demands (knowing its incompetence) or a deliberate attempt to derail the investigation to protect one of their own (the politicians in most of the cases) or only to target their opponents?

    The officers concerned should be made to pay for their botching up investigations.

    Perhaps to insulate the agency from political interference, the solution lies in making it a constitutional authority, like the Election Commission.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    Vinod Sharma and others of his ilk may shout “Modi, Modi, rape, rape” on every forum, but the SC is a different ball game. The utterly discredited CBI cannot hoodwink the SC and brow-beat the system by their pseudo secularism.If they have been given trash as the brief on Amit Shah, then trash they will dish out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    A brief recount of recent events
    The Govt does not directly bail out Kingfisher but forces the Nationalized Banks to save it.
    SC trashes Allegations against Amit Shah
    Delhi High Court trashes the Delhi Police case against BJP MPs in vote for cash scam
    SC refuses to interfere in Sanjiv Bhatt’s case
    FIR against 2 Union Cabinet Ministers and Congress Party legislature chief for assault. All on TV for everyone to see.
    FIR against Cabinet Ministers in Congress Rajasthan Government for Murder of woman. The whole world knows the truth
    Police Firing in Congress governed Bharatpur, Raj . Only Muslims killed
    Lavasa City cleared. NCP supports price hike of petroleum.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “yeh sab mamooli cheezehn” the jihadi and his side-kick, the congressie troll will now say and indulge in some more RSS-BJP bashing, for release of their pent up hatred for the two organisations.

    Ravi Reply:

    But of course, considering you use every known tactic to bash Congress.

  • Anonymous

    Politics of opportunism now makes the BJP opposes FDI….

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/the-real-truth/entry/politics-of-opportunism-now-makes-the-bjp-opposes-fdi

    Excerpt

    Arnab Goswami mentioned on Times Now last night that there was a growing consensus that the opposition would block Parliament’s winter session as well. Like I explained – it helps the BJP if Parliament shuts down and no laws can be passed. Then the BJP can claim that the government is in a freeze. The BJP wants a logjam in Parliament. If the BJP had its way, it would ensure a logjam for the remaining three years. They don’t care about the country. All they care about now is grabbing power. The BJP leaders shout “Bharat Mata ki jay” and “Vande Mataram” at every gathering in a show of nationalism; yet when the time comes to prove its nationalism in action, it does the exact opposite..

    The real truth is more than the Left, it’s the BJP’s stand on FDI that is disturbing. Atleast the Left is consistent in opposing FDI. The BJP is opportunistic – when it is in power, it supports FDI. Yet when it is in opposition, it opposes it. The BJP truly needs to introspect…..the people are not fools after all

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  • Ravi

    Why is it that FOOLS and SANGHI’s are NOT allied together???

    Oh but they ARE, its just impossible to tell them apart!!

    This is the old/new RSS/BJP

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    Anonymous Reply:

    very lame..terrorist..

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  • Anonymous

    Whistle blower Bhatt gets blown away by SC.
    Congress party gets the blow on its chin.
    Hunter now is getting hunted.
    Custodial killer to face justice.

    Remember, Vinod Sharma wrote a blog on Bhatt?

    SC doesn’t give any credence to Bhatt’s pleas of innocence.

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  • Anonymous

    Sanjeev Bhatt_Vinod Kambli.

    HOW?

    Vinod Kambli now remembers that a 1996 match was fixed by Azharuddin.
    Sanjeev Bhatt suddenly remembers in 2011that he was present in Modi’s house on 27th Feb.2002!

    Whistle blowers both?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    I think you are trying to compare Bhatt with Kambli and your main intention is to defend Modi. Let me tell you that this comparison is illogical.

    Azhar has been found guilty of match fixing charges so kambli’s allegation may be true whereas Modi is yet to be convicted so Bhatt’s allegations may or may not be true.

    Lastly looking at Modi’s utterances, I feel he is not fit for national politics. He should accept responsibility for failing to protect minorities in 2002 riots. Why doesn’t he come up with a white paper on what Guj. Govt. did to stop riots with complete timeline.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I saw Azharuddin on TV yesterday. Much as I do not like him or his joininjg the terrorist friendly party, I believ he was honest in his claim that there was no match fixing in that particular match. Please note that most knowledgeable people have condemned Kambli not only for coming out with his version of the truth, but also for levelling serious charge of match fixing.

    My comparison between Kambli and Bhatt was only in the matter of their forgetfulness of 16 years in Kambli’s case and 9years in the case of Bhatt.

    I agree with you that Bhatt is crass in his attacks on Modi and is being used by the congressies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Who are we to make judgement? Azhar was found guilty of Match fixing so he will always be under suspicion. He himself has ruined his image.

  • Anonymous

    Who uses abuse when someone doesn’t agree with him?
    MANOHAR…always instigated by resident Jehadi Ravi..

    Anyone who thinks Congress is corrupt is Sanghi…Does that make Nitish Kumar Sanghi? For Manohar Corrupt Sonia and Laloo are best leaders..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Thank you’ for telling me my own own views and opinions, which I was ‘ignorant’ about. Let us have many more. I am waiting with baited breath for further revelations.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now why don’t you start abusing me? Call me sanghi..even HT is sanghi for you just because it has RSS feed…

    Uncleji, Quran, Ramayan ya GGS padho..Bahut paap kar liye..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Abuse you? I am not a person who will stoop to your level. Do not be under any impression that everybody is like you.

    About me lying to myself? Another ‘revelation’ – that too goes into my autobiography. You have been great ‘help’..

    Anonymous Reply:

    You started it first posting sarcastic comments about me when I was away for 18 hours. You are the one who abuses everyone calling them sanghi. Now that everyone is calling you congressi troll, you are all riled up.

    You are in great company of known terrorist sympathiser..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Calling some one a sanghi or RSS troll is a abuse? I am amazed.

    Sarcasm is one way to tell a person enough is enough, any day better way than abuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is calling someone closet corrupt Congressi an abuse?

    Sarcasm should be a two-way street…so should logic.

    I still fail to under why you call everyone Sanghi who doesn’t agree with your viewpoint. You are increasingly becoming Ravi’s proxy.

    Read your own post and see how you agree with Ravi on everything…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is calling someone closet corrupt Congressi an abuse?

    No. You have used much worse language than that against many of us.

    If I agree with everything with Ravi, so what? Is there a law which says I cannot?

    I do not and will not object to you agreeing with others.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You even borrow abuses from Ravi and support his abusive behavior.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    this low level, terrorist friendly congressie troll has accused you :You have used much worse language than that against many of us.”

    Who are the “many of Us”?

    As far as I have read your posts, you have used harsh language only against this congressie troll and also fake Ravi.

    If “many of us” also includes the Tajender ****/engrich, it is most revealing as to where his sympathies lie.

    He also declares his close affinity with the jihadi, “If I agree with everything with Ravi, so what?”

    The operative word is “everything”

    Most revealing, coming from a self-proclaimed “ace debater”, won’t you say?

    Anonymous Reply:

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  • Anonymous

    It is strange that Islamic terrorist is hiding behind 65 year old congressi who is out of touch with reality. He migrated to west when India was land of milk and honey under Indira Gandhi…He became a beggar when he should have stayed back in india.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Untruths, falsehoods and innuendos passed off as truth – a la RSS. – this time the target is me. ‘Great’ armchair investigation. Surely you must have been trained in some RSS shakha to come with ‘facts’ about me, which even I am not aware of. Thank you, what could I have done without your enlightenment. I would also like to know many more facts about me – which only you ‘know’ and I am ‘ignorant’ about. Will you oblige?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looking at your posting, there is clear indication-
    1. You are die hard Congressi.
    2. An old grumpy man sitting alone at home.
    3. Have been corrupt thru out life.
    4. You will shamelessly team up with low lives just to score some brownie point.
    5. You criticism of Congress is always soft so that you can harshly criticize RSS and BJP.
    6. You hold Nehru-Gandhi dynasty divine. Your NO-COMMENT on Rahul’s filth and behaviour of minister at Phulpur clearly show your bias,
    7. You hold identical views to Congress on all issues. All your difference are merely a way to fool people.
    8. You consider congress’s minority communalism secular but when BJP talks of hindu then you call it communal.
    9. On many occasion you have conceded that Congress is same or worse than BJP but you always end up agreeing with terrorist Ravi.

    You have fooled us enough…You are a hypocrite, corrupt and communal congressi who wants this dynasty to rule India thru whatever means possible.

    Basically a digvijay kind of guy..total thug.

    I always considered you neutral but you have let me down badly. You will never see me supporting RSS because for me RSS is as bad as Congress and harmful to nation whereas you keep bashing RSS but defend congress on same issue for which you profess your hatred for RSS. A biased mind can never be neutral..You thinking has been hijacked by terrorist minded fake-sikh Ravi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good. You have given me a lot of material about me, which I was not aware of. This material can be foundation of autobiography which now I plan to pen. Now there are some missing ‘facts’ (which I am not aware of), which you should tell me, given your ‘extraordinary investigative skills’. You said I migrated to West. Can you tell me which country I migrated to, the name of the airline, the flight number and the city I landed and the date, month and year. Most important, which city and which street corner where I started my career as a beggar (a ‘fact’ revealed by you earlier). I will ask your for more ‘help’ later to fill in more details as I go along. The title I have in mind is – what else – lies, untruths, falsehoods and innuendos I will dedicate the book to a low-priced parrot – oops – you.

    NB: Do not worry, such a autobiography based on lies, untruths, falsehoods and innuendos will find ready buyers outside numerous RSS shakhas all over India. These khakhi knickerwalas will be lap it up – given the fact is that their daily staple diet – what else – lies, untruths, falsehoods and innuendos.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Repeating RSS RSS..can not solve your problems. You need to work on your bias. You are now becoming allies of terrorists just because you hate your own countrymen.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This response covers all other threads.
    We are not here to discuss here the political leanings or background or whatever about the bloggers themselves, but to comment and discuss the issues.

    Henceforth, I will refrain from commenting upon or discussing the bloggers. Strictly issues.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You wrote
    ‘I always considered you neutral but you have let me down badly’.

    All I can say is that you overlook or ignore what I write about all and the Congress party in particular. I suspect you assume my bashing the RSS/BJP means the I am pro-congress. In one of my responses to you in another thread here, I agreed with you that Rahul Gandhi is not fit to be the Prime Minister. What else you want me to do – call him names and abuse him, given the fact I do not abuse any RSS/BJP leaders? This one example.

    I hope this clears the air.

    Ravi Reply:

    I doubt it will

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can always engage with Manohar after a little banter but as far as you are concerned, you remain a terrorist sympathiser. I have more than enough posts of you praising Islamic terrorism so don’t you dare equate yourself with Manohar whom you are trying to misguide using divide and rule policy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am only hoping. Let use wait and watch.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    You have been mostly mild in your criticism of Congress however you have been extremely harsh and sometimes used vocabulary of Ravi to bash RSS and everyone who doesn’t agree with your views. I know you are better than that. You did not say a word against Rahul’s filthy speech at Phulpur. A union minister Jitin Prasad acted like a Goonda. Had this been done by BJP person, you would have called that person all kinds of name. You have to accept that you have sympathies for Congress..This may be due to that you don’t seen any alternative but you shouldn’t hestitate to call wrong a wrong.

    Right now you have become a proxy of Ravi unknowingly. This cunning person has been using you to propogate his hatred.

    This person Ravi finds great ally in Islamic terrorists and pakistan but has extreme hatred for Hindus (and also sikhs).

    We may have difference of opinion with RSS but to hate RSS more than Islamic terrorist and pakistan is a stretch that only Ravi can do..He has been systematically using you as an ally and posting his usual propaganda without substance against Indian (that includes RSS also).

  • Anonymous

    Only trolls post for the sake of ‘BADA MAZAA ATA HAI’. This clearly speaks about their sincerity to debates.

    and other trolls hide behind such trolls repeating same stale stuff again and again.

    These trolls become blind to Congress’s crime and Crimes of terrorists.

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  • Anonymous

    “The fact the Congress of today is not the same as it was when India was not yet independent, is just about the best compliment a political party can wish for.”

    Now if we replace Congress Party with Islam in this sentence the same Ravi will go bonkers and claim Islam has always remained unchanged so according to Ravi’s logic Islam is not progressive like Congress.

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  • Ravi

    It seems that Narendar Modi has decided that he will no longer be attending the party’s national executive meetings if Gadkari would be present there.

    No one knows the real reason as why such a draconian decision was taken by India’s most successful chief minister.

    Here are some possibilities;

    1. RSS has decided that it will not back Narendar Modi for the post of Prime Minister.

    2. RSS has decided that Nitin Gadkari will be its preferred candidate for the post of Prime Minister.

    3. The meetings are held in a room that can accommodate only one ego at a time.

    4. The meeting room is so small that once Nitin Gadkari has been pushed into it, there remains no space for Narendar Modi to enter.

    5. Narendar Modi is afraid that the large dark shadow cast by Gadkari will eclipse his glorious visage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When PC bugs Pranab then it is chewing gum…You Congressi troll never cease to amaze me..

    Terrorist use some grey matter..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    even the junior minister in the Railway ministry defies the PM. Jairam Ramesh thinks nothing of defying the PM on a daily basis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Aisaa ‘ashubh’ mat bolo, yahaan logon ko ‘heartburn’ aur ‘discomfort’ hoti hai. ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    List of Congressi trolls-
    1. Prabhat
    2. Mahesh
    3. Manohar

    List of terror sympathisers allied with Congressi trolls-
    1. Ravi
    2. Tajender

    Everyone else is Sanghi…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The last two are also on the dole of British emprire.

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  • Ravi

    It appears that Nitin Gadkari has quietly dropped RSS’s cherished dream of erecting a Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Instead it now favours the establishment of Gandhi’s Ram Rajya in UP.

    Little does he know that in some shape or form he may get what he is hoping for.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is the fond hope of jihadi fundoos like you that there will be no Ram temple in Ayodhya. There is already in existence a Ram temple in the same spot where the domw of the babri masjid stood. Millions of Ram bhakts have already visited and prayed at this mandir since ages. So Gadkari has nothing to “drop”.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    You are absolutely right about what you say, but completely wrong WRT what I said.

    Ram Temple has been dropped from RSS/BJP Agenda of the future of Ayodhya.

    It is now seen as a bit of a political liability.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We have achieved our aim of building a Ram temple at his birthplace in Ayodhya, now who cares what a Pakistani jihadi says or bleats?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Possibly, but I will not bet on it. IMO, the UP election is primarily a fight between the BSP and the SP, as of today.

    The Congress has to project a local leader, who will be CM, if it gets to form the Government. Without that it will be a very steep curve for it to make a significant dent – it may just improve upon its present tally of 21 MLAs. With BSP and SP – people know who will be calling the shots.

    It does not look like that the BJP is a significant player.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev

    This response covers all other threads.

    We are not here to discuss here the political leanings or background or whatever about the bloggers themselves, but to comment and discuss the issues.

    Henceforth, I will refrain from commenting upon or discussing the bloggers. Strictly issues – you may or may not agree with my views and opinions and can ignore them. If you or someone else wishes to draw any conclusions and air them, be by guest – it would not make any difference.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So stop calling everyone Sanghi if he refuses to take your line.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not preach, as I said above. Mind your own business and language. Do not like what I write – bash me up or ignore it, who cares.

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  • Anonymous

    Arvind Kejriwal

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/ET-Awards-Agenda-for-Renewal-Involve-people-in-decision-making-says-Arvind-Kejriwal/articleshow/10787536.cms

    One line says it all

    Till we question the decision-making processes of our democracy, merely creating more power and more infrastructure would not help.

    ————

    Now he is talking sense. The question is why has he and his associates been making so much noise to create a monster Lokpal – another bureaucratic infrastructure. with unbridled powers and answerable to none?

    To reduce corruption and to streamline governance – the solutions lie elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,
    Take time to read this and see if you can learn something from this column.

    The Deadening Silence Of Good Intentions
    Closed gates; zipped lips. What happens when an exhibition on the Quran opens in New Delhi.
    C.M. NAIM

    http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279021

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Learn what?

    That there are intolerant and bigots across the whole spectrum of our society and our Governments spineless to uphold fundamental liberties and rights. Ban this ban that, stop this, stop that. Nothing new.

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    AshishC Reply:

    http://kafila.org/2011/11/14/a-curious-silence-and-an-un-crossed-line-in-the-wake-of-a-disbanded-exhibition/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    That is what I said and have been doing so over the past several months I have always condemned fundamentalism whatever the source.

    Correct me if I am wrong.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Very interesting article. Thnaks for the link.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad,

    there is no seniority in these blogs.

    You give back in equal or more measure what you receive.

    For example, if your friend, the ace blogger and outstanding debater makes fun of Gadkari for his losing flab by surgery, then it becomes legitimate for others to say that Sonia Gandhi too lost “something” very very vital for a woman’s sense of beauty and grace.

    And it becomes legitimate for them to compare the two “losses” and declare that Sonia’s loss is such that the congressie troll is grieving and is jealous of Gadkari for losing something and still come off better looking, while the “loss” has forced the mataji to lock herself inside her bed room most of the time.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,
    You are now calling for truce. You should now stop borrowing abuses from terrorist Ravi and stop acting as his defender and proxy.

    Terrorist Ravi has only one argument..”RSS SANGHI RSS SANGHI”..If you are going to defend his BS you will have to face the consequences.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    this congressie troll said yesterday, “I now will wait for the repeat performance tomorrow.” And look, true to his word, he is back to bashing Anna and Kejriwal! About terrorist Ravi, don’t forget that even with active support from Vinod Sharma, Prabhat, Mahesh and this congressie troll, he couldn’t get away with his falsest claim about 5000 dalit rapes everyday in India by upper caste Hindus.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not preach, as to what I should do. You are not my keeper.

    Consequences,huh! I will be waiting.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    How did this get curropted into you “calling for truce”.

    In India the major debate is between creating a secular future or a a fundamentalist Hindu future.

    My allegiance lies with the secular forces so I feel no compunction over for ever harping on about the REAL agenda of the Hindu Fundo parties.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We know your REAL agenda, jihadi.

    Keep repeating your favourite rape scene: 5000 rapes of dalit women by caste Hindus everyday in India.

    This is your theme song, this is your vande mataram.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad_K

    Please take note and make your own conclusions

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    One should not be surprised at the turns and the twists – given the thinking of some of the members here. They keep drawing their own conclusions that suit them to celebrate those little ‘victories’. ‘ChhoTe log, chhoTe khayaal’.

    It is obvious that they feel threatened when they are jolted and have to face the bitter truth (real agenda) vis-a-vis the ideology and the heroes.

  • AshishC

    Rajeev,
    thanks for posting this link.
    Anyone wonders why Zia Haq does not blog about this? Or, Vinod Sharma does not speak in defence of his boss in National Minorities Commission?
    Oh, okay. I get it. Ahmadaiyas are not Muslims- so, Zia does not care. And, since they are not Muslims, they are not minorities :) ; so, Vinod Sharma does not take notice of them.

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  • Anonymous

    But why did Mr Vinod Sharma get his stories wrong?
    I am bewildered and even distressed that Mr Vinod Sharma , Political Editor of HT got his stories wrong. But how did it happen .. why? Is it because he is losing his touch as a top-notch journalist and forgetting the basic rules of reporting i.e. cross verifying the facts ? No …he was ‘Seperated at Birth from Pakistan but cannot be separated from the rules of Reporting.. Was he under pressure ? Sorry… No one and I repeat …No one ..can pressurize Mr Vinod Sharma. Did someone mislead him ? Possible … but unlikely as Mr Vinod is a veteran. So… why ? I sometimes get a feeling that he slipped because he has fallen in bad company.. Mr Vinod Sharma ki sohbat bigad gayi hai , aur is buri sohbat ki vajah se galat likh jaate hain. And not just that , even on TV he often says wrong things. So what should he do ?
    I think he should stop meeting and talking to bad people . He should stop visiting places where he meets those bad people. But who are these bad people ? They are those who loot public money , who appoint tainted people to high positions, who kick and punch those who protest against them, who mount false cases against those who oppose them … and once this happens I am sure Mr Vinod Sharma shall come out as the shining white knight , who everyone shall be so happy to see.

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  • Anonymous

    I thought all communals are on this blog only. Rajeev, Shenoy, Vijay , Mohan and
    many others, but I was shocked to watch this season’s last episode of KBC
    on Thursday. In the begining of the episode Vande Mataram can be heard in
    background. Shame on these people. Sony, Amitabh Bachchan and promoters
    of KBC should appologize for hurting the sentiments of secular people of India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He who wants can make political football out of vanda mataram. Like bukhari imaam or slime Dr zakir naik. Otherwise it is beautiful soul stirring song. Thanks KBC

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    engrich Reply:

    VANDE MATRAM IS A NOTORIOUS ANTI-MUSLIM SONG WRITTEN BY A TERRORST BANKIM CHATEERJEE.IN HIS NOVEL ANAND MATH,.IT IS WAR CRY AGAINST
    MUSLIMS.IT HAS NO QUALIFICATION TO A NATIONAL SONG.EXCEPTIT SPREAD HATRED AGAINST MUSLIMS.he was boot polisher of britishers he wrote this bullshit to get favors.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are right.SONY and KBC are out of their minds.
    They are harming our secularism, damaging national integration and hurting minority sentiments.

    This must be immediately brought to the notice of Justice Markandeya Katju. He will impose 500 Crore fine on KBC.

    And then Amitabh Bachchan can hold a special show of “Kaun Ban Gaya 500 karodpati”.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I love Vande Matram

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You should listen (if not done so) to Lata Mangeshkar’s rendition of this lovely song from the film ‘ Anand Math’ – under the baton of Hemant Kumar.

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    engrich Reply:

    VANDE MATRAM IS A NOTORIOUS ANTI-MUSLIM SONG WRITTEN BY A TERRORST BANKIM CHATEERJEE.IN HIS NOVEL ANAND MATH,.IT IS WAR CRY AGAINST
    MUSLIMS.IT HAS NO QUALIFICATION TO A NATIONAL SONG.EXCEPTIT SPREAD HATRED AGAINST MUSLIMS.he was boot polisher of britishers he wrote this bullshit to get favors.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Engrich

    Ravi ne bhi walrus moustache ugaa li hai…

    Ab thum koi aur LeT ka saathi dhoondo… !!
    Remember Zardari, was willing to surrender the LeT Coward terrorists to India.

    Maybe he too has grown a Walrus … ?? Maybe just increase the hair on his moustache…,

    engrich Reply:

    what i have written is correct.bankim was british agent and terrorist.anand math was written by this british slave to divide society.congress party was a team of hi du fascists.they made this national song.though it is war cry against muslims.

    AshishC Reply:

    Engrich,
    You are mistaken.
    The song has no anti-Muslim part in it.
    Especially the first stanza, that is our national song.
    I show gratitude to thee, Mother,
    richly-watered, richly-fruited,
    cool with the winds of the south,
    dark with the crops of the harvests,
    The Mother!

    Her nights rejoicing in the glory of the moonlight,
    her lands clothed beautifully with her trees in flowering bloom,
    sweet of laughter, sweet of speech,
    The Mother, giver of boons, giver of bliss.

    Where is the Hindu/ Muslim angle above?

    engrich Reply:

    in many faiths of india man is supposed to bow his head only in front of bhagwan/allah.so it cannot be national song of a secular nation.moreover in anand math it is war cry against muslims.hence it dont qualify to be a national song.otherwise it may be a good song.

    AshishC Reply:

    I am not forcing Muslims to sing it.. but, if every single Indian had to approve a song before it became a national song, then why not adopt Munni Badnam Huyi or Chhaiyya Chhiayya as our national song/ anthem? More Indians probably know those songs :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aashsih,

    I would prefer Jhoom barabar jhoom Sharabi .

    Anonymous Reply:

    or
    dum maro dum
    karo engrich ko khatam

    engrich Reply:

    this is a point .national song should praise nation not dieties of certain areas.but as it hurtds the feeling of muslims bjp insists for it.

    sare jahan se achcha was best song for this purpose.but as it was written by a muslim brhmn it was rejected.
    though bangladesh has taken tagoree song as their national song.

    first national song of pakistan was written by a hindu ,jaganath azad.

    AshishC Reply:

    Engrich,
    you are most welcome

    engrich Reply:

    ahish for bengalee bhadrlok bengal was india.the whole novel and this song is written in this context.

    our national anthem and song should have been written specially for this purpose.our national antherm was written to welcome king george 5th.we made it national anthem.
    national anthem should praise nation not dictators.

    AshishC Reply:

    Engrich,
    we are not discussing the Jana Gana Mana- the national anthem; we are discussing Vande Mataram- the national song. It is one among many national songs- Sare Jahan Se Achha is another.
    I repeat, the song has no anti-muslim rant in it. None- I know the entire song by heart and I can translate it very well.
    If Bankim’s anti-Muslim stance is a disqualifier, then Iqbal’s asking for partition would have disqualified Sare Jahan Se Achchha as well. But, I have never heard any responsible Hindu ask for it to be proscribed. Even RSS guys give it pride of place among their list of patriotic songs.
    I suspect, you are just mouthing other peoples’ dialogues without having ever read the entire song yourself.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ram Autar

    I would like you to consider the following:

    1. The original intent of the poem, should not matter. If it did then the poem would forever be a prisoner of the authors intent (what-ever that may have been).

    2. All pieces of literature, and this poem is no exception, eventually break free from its original moorings and assumes an independent life.

    3. Vast majority of Indian’s adopted this song, only after it itself became independent.

    4. Such is the ambigious beauty of any language and Sanskrit is a beautiful language that each one of us is able to draw what ever meaning we wish and more importantly draw no meaning what so ever, by remembering the words and forgetting the meaining.

    5. When the above happens the song, instead of belonging to one community, or one ideology, becomes everybody’s song. This universality propels it to the status of an anthem.

    6. Paul McCartney wrote “Hey Jude”, for a specific person (Julian Lennon). It is now an anthem universally enjoyed around the world.

    Why Vande Matram was brought-up as a topic here, is another matter. The subject of a different post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One Islamic gutter-piece fundoo pontificating to another similar vermin in the same gutter the beauty of Sanskrit, and Vande Mataram and trying to sound ultra secular!!!!!!
    Wah re, fundoo, you should confine yourself to 5000 dalit rapes, with which you are always comfortable.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad_K

    Please take note, and draw your own conclusions

    engrich Reply:

    ravi bhai vande matram can be good song for personal use.but it cannot be national song,bankim also wrote this in local bengalee atmosphere reason is as follows,

    The controversy surrounding VANDEY MATRAM has once again assumed the most fissiparous, unsecular and disruptive dimensions with the the Chhattisgarh government making its recital compulsory in all the educational institutions including Madarsas. Vandey Matram whose opening words mean ‘MOTHER I BOW TO THEE’ (the full text and its English translation is quoted below) is totally against the monotheistic faith of Muslims which does not allow the bowing of head to any entity except Allah. This guarantee of ‘FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE AND FREE PROFESSION, PRACTICE AND PROPAGATION OF RELIGION’ is accorded under Article
    25 of the Constitution in totally unambiguous terms and has been consistently upheld by the Honourable Supreme Court in the series of the decisions. Those who want to infringe this fundamental right of Muslims by making it compulsory for them to recite these un-Islamic words in the false name of nationalism must realise that to love one’s country is distinct from ‘worshipping it. Further they must understand that the foundations of Indian secularism are based upon the multiplicity of religions, and not on cultural nationalism or ethno-centric notions. Muslim groups in India must immediately file the writ petition before the Honourable Supreme Court if the the governments like that of Chhattisgarh do not desist from their anti-Muslim attitudes, and are bent upon deriving political mileage from this flagrant violation of Muslims Fundamental Right under Article 25 of the Constitution.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ram Autar

    I would agree with you that any attempt to make it a COMPULSARY song which violates the fundamental rights of others, must be resisted.

    engrich Reply:

    i think christians sikhs many south indian hindu communities and many north indian hindu comunities ,who dont worship bengalee deities also opposed this.

    but in anti-muslims hate compaign minds and eyes were closed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Why Vande Matram was brought-up as a topic here, is another matter”.

    Isn’t it obvious?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I suggest you read this translation. It may not have reference to other religions or icons, but it does not say anything adverse or negative about other religions and cultures.

    That the Muslims have a problem singing it is a different matter altogether. If they do not wish to sing, so be it. Nothing can be forced down anyone’s throat.

    ———————-

    Mother, I salute thee!
    Rich with thy hurrying streams,
    bright with orchard gleams,
    Cool with thy winds of delight,
    Green fields waving Mother of might,
    Mother free.

    Glory of moonlight dreams,
    Over thy branches and lordly streams,
    Clad in thy blossoming trees,
    Mother, giver of ease
    Laughing low and sweet!
    Mother I kiss thy feet,
    Speaker sweet and low!
    Mother, to thee I bow.

    Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands
    When swords flash out in seventy million hands
    And seventy million voices roar
    Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
    With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
    To thee I call Mother and Lord!
    Thou who saves, arise and save!
    To her I cry who ever her foe drove
    Back from plain and sea
    And shook herself free.

    Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
    Thou art heart, our soul, our breath
    Though art love divine, the awe
    In our hearts that conquers death.
    Thine the strength that nerves the arm,
    Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
    Every image made divine
    In our temples is but thine.

    Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
    With her hands that strike and her
    swords of sheen,
    Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
    And the Muse a hundred-tone,
    Pure and perfect without peer,
    Mother lend thine ear,
    Rich with thy hurrying streams,
    Bright with thy orchard gleems,
    Dark of hue O candid-fair

    In thy soul, with jewelled hair
    And thy glorious smile divine,
    Loveliest of all earthly lands,
    Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
    Mother, mother mine!
    Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
    Mother great and free!

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohanrr.

    Is it not amazing that you felt the need to bring this up as a topic. One can not see any reason other than mischief.

    However, here is a question are some question’s for you to answer.

    1. Has any one in real life registered a protest against this song being included in the last edition of KBC series 5. I would hazard a guess – NO.

    2. Let us just for one moment imagine that instead of Vande Matram, the Muslim Azaan was in the back-ground, what would have been your reaction.

    3. Whilst we are imagining, what would you have said if one could clearly hear “Wahe guru ji da khalsa, wahe guru ji di fateh.”

    I look forward to your silence.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    “” What if K Sudarshan had tutured Rahul Gandhi instead of Digvijay??? “”
    You had written a long post about RSS when Rahul Gandi was being discussed. If that was not a mischief than my post also is not a mischief.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohanrr

    I would like to know, what do you think my post was in response to.

    Another mischief.

    So mon ami, my was a pastiche

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Difference between your post and mine.

    What you had written was all assumption.
    What I wrote was a fact which was shown
    on Sony . Now, Is Vande Mataram communal ?
    Many people think that this is communal song
    and I have read few articles on this subject .
    Even Anna and his team were critisized when some
    of his followers had sang this song at his rally.

    Atleast one person openly claims on this blog that
    this song is an insult to muslims. Hence communal.

    Now the points which you have raised.

    1. I have no idea.
    2. It would not make any difference to me whether
    Vande Matar, Azaan or Sheila Ki Jawani was played.
    3. My mother used to read Guru granth Sahib daily,
    and this great book is higly revered at our home.
    If I hear anywhere ‘ Wahe guru ji da khalsa,
    wahe guru ji da fatah ” , with great respect I will repeat the same .

    You can draw your conclusion whether your post was a mischief or mine .

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohanrr

    I hear anger in the tone of your post, so I will keep this brief, and avoid you in the future.

    Yes my post was pure fiction, so was the post to which mine was a reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow. Are you a clairvoyant,
    Psychologist, psycho annalyist or
    a remote mind reader
    who can deduce just by reading my post that I was angry? Great. Keep it up .

    AshishC Reply:

    @Mohan, with your permission…
    Ravi, can you please clarify, (in the context of the point 2 above in your response above to Mohan) the Muslim Azaan is the national song of which country? It is not India, I am sure of this. Has it already become the national song of UK?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    If the inclusion of Vande Matram in the KBC was because it is a National Song, then my alternatives are not like for like.

    However, if it was there for its Religious connotations then my alternatives stand.

    My view is that whilst the programme’s producers may have had the national song element paramount in their mind, I would assert that Mohanrr as well as those, who in his imagination, would have objected to it had its religious undertones in their mind.

    BTW – Wahe guru ji khalsa, wahe guru ji ki fathe, is also not a national song, or even a song, but it is a popular jaikara among us Sikhs.

    Please also read Mohan’s reply to me.

    I for one was not among those who oppose this song in any shape size or form, I used to sing it in my school and even now feel the hair at the back of my neck stand-up when I hear it.

    AshishC Reply:

    I have not watched KBC this year- except fleetingly- so, do not recall the particular episode. But, I would wager they played it as background music – it is a fairly nice, rousing music; patriotic to boot.
    Religious?? What religion is there in Vande Mataram first stanza? It is largely nature- shubhra jyotsna and all that
    I think you made a lazy point.. let’s move on.

    Ravi Reply:

    It was in the back-ground as Mohan clearly stated in his original post.

    It may not have any religious conotations at all – in reality – but just read Ram Autar’s reaction to it, and you will realise that a lot many people – wrongly or rightly – see it as a song with strong religious undertones.

    Is’nt that also the reason why the Hindu Fundo’s waste little time in supporting it.

    AshishC Reply:

    Ram Autar/ Engrich is someone whose reactions, I am afraid, I do not take seriously.
    He copies and pastes- and when he does not do so, his logic and facts are both haywire.
    He, I suspect still does not know the difference between the national song (s) and the national anthem nor is he aware that Iqbal’s Saare Jahan se achchha is very much a national song; as much as Vande Mataram is.
    Folks like Engrich have ensured that the Muslims will be so easy to please in this country- throw them some inconsequential crumbs (okay, don’t sing Vande Mataram, okay, send your kids to Madrassas if you like, okay, wear a beard or a burqua..,)- all that does not cost money or planning or effort to deliver.
    Congress ki jai ho! Engrich quuam ka jai ho!

  • Anonymous

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    While hair cutting, official Barber asked Kapil Sibal, ‘’What’s this
    Swiss Bank issue, Sir?
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    Next day, while cutting the hair, he asked Pranab Mukherjee, “Sir, what’s
    this Black money issue?’’
    Pranab shouted, ‘’Why did you ask me this question?’’
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    Ramdev?’’
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    Swiss Bank and Black money issues?
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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one shenoy saab

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ MY 5 CRORE CHALLENGE AND QUESTION TO VINOD SHARMAJI ~~~~
    ==============================================================

    The priest of the Christian church of Jammu and Kashmir, Shri CM khanna is being hounded, harassed and threatened by the Mirwiaz, Hizbul, PDP and what not for “forcibly” converting 7 Muslims to Christianity.

    Vinodji as member of the National minorites commision, can you not save this poor guy. Can you not issue a statement that as a minority in Jammu and Kashmir, the priest is being denied of his rights and it was within his right to convert the Muslims.

    If you do so, I promise that I will create an internet movement to raise five crores and also get all blogmates like Shenoy, Rajeev, Ashish etc to join in. Of course Ravi and Engrich and Tejendar may not join in.

    However I request that this statement should not have qualifiers like BJP, Narendra Modi, Babri Masjid, RSS etc etc

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    what a crocodile tears.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    ,
    Mr Engrich…. thum crocdile nahi reech hai ~ :)

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    jinke ghar sheeshe ke hote hain doosron par pathar nahin phekte.missionaries have full right to convert those whom elite of our society cannot help.missionaries are doing great job.i support them.but u are supporting because now their target is muslim.so isaid crocodile tears.

    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    I am sure you know that conversions in India follow osmotic process; reverse osmosis is not allowed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    this is a matter of connecting with the cosmos. Osmosis or the reverse of it has no place here.

    [Reply]

    AshishC Reply:

    Ah! Cosmosis! What a lovely word..
    But, there is still only ONE direction,

    Ravi Reply:

    Following the Greek method of word construction. Cosmosis could mean the following.

    Cosmosis = A term of abuse which small singardas use to describe their larger cousin smosa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is the cousin a crocodile?

    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi, careful; drink only in moderation;
    Seems more the influence of desi tharra than ouzo in your post.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    As you know, I am simply a bitter man.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I like your response.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Ashish,

    I agree with you that Vinodji should, suo motu take up the matter with his friend, Omar Abdullah and ensure that the Christian minority in Kashmir enjoy the same facilities and religious freedom as they enjoy in the rest of India, including their oft-contested right to convert, regardless of the targeted community being Muslim in the present case.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    very pertinent question. The brazen duplicity on the issue of religious conversions, irepresents the total fraud that the communal politicians in J&K take as their birthright and is matched by equally politically fraudulent appointment of Mr Vinod Sharma to national minorities commission. Neither have any shame or sense of ethics. You can be sure both Congress and Vijay Sharma will keep quiet and hide in some dark place.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad,

    As both of us know, we belong to opposing political view-points. I too read all posts here and where possible, I try to respond in a light-hearted manner, which occasionally is with small measures of wit too.

    We also try to score points by showing each other the weaknesses and strength of their own political groups. All this is accepted as normal.

    But if someone or a group of people support congress party and by obligation all its leaders even when that party is known to support terrorists, anti-nationals, corrupt, pseudo secular, and call those who point out the real face of the party and its leaders RSS, Hindu fundamentalists etc., then it leads to war of words. Unfortunately this too is normal here.

    However, Prahlad, since you are an occasional visitor here and you only hit us with mild barbs, I accept your opinion with due humility. Let us war, but with humour and wit.

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  • AshishC

    Manohar,
    it is not personal. I mean, it is not targted at you in particular.
    However, Shuddhabrata Sengupta makes the point most eloquently that all our vaunted secularism fails when it comes to taking obscurantist Muslims to task for their own intolerance.
    Other than Wajahat Habibullah, no prominent Muslim came out in support of the exhibition and the story itself was allowed a quiet burial in national press.
    So, repeating my posers to Vinod Sharma and Zia Haq again. Simple points:
    1. Are Ahmadiyas Muslims? Yes/ No
    2. If no, are they allowed to believe they are Muslims themselves and hold their meetings/ preachings peacefully? Like anybody else in this country?
    3. Are Ahmadiyas minorities deserving of TLC of Vinod Sharma in his role as NMC member?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish-
    Secularism in Inda is a joke, essentially pushing smart TamBrahms to USA..(essentially that is what happened here in Tamil Nadu)
    As far as Muslims are concerned, thanks to Congress’ largesse, they will remain dependent on the bones thrown at them…
    But I still keep my hope that Indian Muslims will eventually transform as the “model” Muslims – it is not going to happen in the “jasmine” revolution countries — look what is happening in Egypt, Tunisia…hard core Islamists have taken control!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I would like to debate this further, but only if I knew in some detail as to what your definition of Secularism is?

    Once we have established that, then perhaps we can have a sensible discussion about Ahemadis, etc.

    I would not mind if you were to give me the desi dharra variety or a fine Rioja variety.

    To help you here are some political parties, which of these, in your opinion are Secular.

    1. The British Labour Party

    2. The Akali Dal

    3. The Australian Labour Party

    4. The German Christian Democratic Party

    5. The Democratic Party of USA.

    6. The Indian National Congress

    7. The BJP.

    8. The Praja Socialist Party

    9. Thye RSS

    10. The Muslim League of India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Only Muslim League of Kerala, PML, Tehreek-e-insaf and Bhutto’s PPP are secular; all the others are fundoos.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi, I am not sure what your point is…
    Anyway, as you probably figured by now, I am a Hindu fundoo

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    Ravi Reply:

    Did that need figuring.

    The point is, there are Political Parties, such as the Labour Party, The communist Party, The Socialist Party, which are clearly SECULAR.

    Then there are the, Akali Dal, The Christian Democratic Union, The RSS and its variants, The Mulsim League, and its variants, which are clearly religious parties and therefore NOT SECULAR.

    The Indian National Congress is imperfectly SECULAR.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “The Indian National Congress is imperfectly SECULAR.”

    What a joke!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Thank you for not targeting me in particular, may be I am target in general.

    I personally feel these incidents have nothing to do with the secularism, per se. My answer lies in my previous reply. I am reproducing with additions.

    There are intolerant and bigots across the whole spectrum of our society and our Governments are spineless(*) in upholding fundamental liberties and rights and to take stern action against these self appointed guardians and moral policemen of the society. Ban this ban that, stop this, stop that. Nothing new.

    * in so many of the cases the government of the day overtly supported these lumpen elements.

    As you are aware, every loony group from all sections of the society and religion are guilty on this count.

    We can list the incidents (most of them violent) starting with the banning of Salman Rushdie’s book The Satanic Verses in 1988 right up to the latest controversy about Ahmediyas (this will not be the last).

    Why the NMC and the members have not taken cognizance of the latest incident is for them to answer. Perhaps it is as spineless as the Government or is there any other reason.

    Talking about the Muslims, my view is that they are harming themselves more than other religious groups with such obstructionist behaviour and any remedial action has to come from within – they have to let go their herd mentality . You, Mr. Habibullah and me – can only condemn them.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    agree with virtually every word.. couple of comments though:
    1. NMC should probably ask itself what its charter is- who is a minority, what is the nature of protection they need. Will the proposed Communal violence bill help in these instances?
    I tend to be, and I suspect you are too, more on the side of a literal interpretation of the law and constitution in these situations- feelings be damned, law permits it, I may not like it but, I have to still respectfully stand aside and let you have your say.
    Apply in all situations- resolve conflicts with liberal doses of the old fashioned danda. Finis !
    The last paragraph is what I have more than quibbling issues with.
    “This remedial action from within” business has not worked, does not work. Think, if Bentinck thought, ah well, Sati is a horrible practice, but what to do? Let the remedial action come from within the Hindu society?
    I daresay, we would still be burning widows.
    If the government was serious about Muslim upliftment, it would do some serious, hard things- not, spend money on Madrassas. But, then, who said they were serious about Muslim upliftment anyway?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Danda.
    That is where our Governments keep failing or choose to look the other way or support these lumpen sections – vote bank politics.

    Remedial action from within.

    If you recall the case of the Muslim student studying in a Christian missionary school insisted on keeping a beard (as his religious right) much against the rules of the school. He chose to drop out and filed his case in the Supreme Court (I am not sure whether the judgment has been delivered). This misguided student was told many Muslims that keeping a beard was not mandated by his religion.

    The point is that he may win or may have won his case and get back to school. Yet he and his “advisers/well wishers” did not realise the grave consequences of his intransigent stand. The school in future will be reluctant and refuse admissions to other Muslim children (thus prevented from getting a good education) – fearing many will insist on their religious right not to wear this or not do that. Who suffers? The community. One man’s victory, the rest lose out.

    In such cases, what can outsiders do?

    I am not sure whether closing down Madrassas is the solution. In that case then we may have to shut similar institutions belonging to other religious groups for the sake of equity. Perhaps, overhaul them to allow teaching of other subjects as well, which I believe some are doing.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Part of the confusion is caused by the fact that along with Islam, Arabic cultural imperialism is exported from the middle east. Beard may not be a part of Islam, but be a part of Arabic culture.

    One could make an arguement that the SGGS does not mandate Sikh’s to wear un-shorn hair and therefore the turban. These were mandated by the 10th guru when he estabished the Khalsa Pant. It just so happens that in many people’s mind, Khalsa = Sikh. Which is strictly not true.

    Additionally, wearing of Turban in the Punjab was common to all religions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not think it is part of Arabic culture or even Saudi culture.

    The reason for which Sikhs were made grow their hair is no more valid today.

    Wearing of turbans has nothing to do with any religion – they part of one’s attire all over to protect one’s head.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    There is a debate going on in France – where religious symbols are barred from public buildings – if Turbans worn by Sikh students should be exempt.

    The French government says no, and the Sikhs say that it should be exempted.

    Crucifixes, St Christopher’s are alo banned in schools and other public buildings.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One could say French have been one of the most secular nations in practice, telling everyone – do not make a public spectacle of your goddam (pun intended) religion.

    Ravi Reply:

    So they have.

    However, when at home we start dictating to one religion or the other, then we should also be prepared for others to dictate to us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes. It is the same as – if you have a right to offend, then you have the obligation to be offended.

    AshishC Reply:

    I am sorry, but I am NOT an outsider.
    I am a fellow citizen, pay my taxes, obey laws and want to see my kids grow up in a better India.
    I am not an outsider to the Muslims- so long as they are fellow citizens like me; in this SECULAR country- ruled by constitution and law.
    By the same token, if obscurantist customs of mine or my community is obsructing progress in general, is causing others harm, is “high maintenance”- so to speak, my fellow citizens have every right to intervene, democratically and get me or my community to change my ways.
    Okay, 2 AM now.. yawn.. good night :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good Morning.

    OK. I see the point from your perspective and agree to a large extent. There could be problem though – we will be confronted with – how dare you interfere in our personal matters.

    AshishC Reply:

    Good Afternoon :)
    Interference in personal matters…
    The ruling parties/ opposition; they all must confront the question if their policy of appeasing the most obscurantist of the lot is actually even going to pay off in the long run- even as a cynical vote bank play.
    It is all very well to say the Muslims will need to reform from within- but, if you honestly want them to progress, intervention from outside is imperative.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    IMO, the only outside intervention would be for the Governments to enforce the rule of the law(*) and not to pander to the whims of the these loony “offended’ gangs. To send out a clear message – the Constitution is supreme and religions can go take a walk.

    That is – the books and films should have never been banned, stern action against those who vandalized exhibitions and meetings, ransack TV studios, destroy public property, etc.

    * Our constitution and the laws are enough to enforce a just, liberal and modern discourse. The will to do so is missing – for known reasons. Spineless governments.

    AshishC Reply:

    I wanted to repost your post with all words underlined, bolded and italicized.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    About the last paragraph, not for the first time you and others have missed one very basic point.

    Muslim’s firmly believe that the Quran contains the message of GOD as revealed to Mohamed.

    This one single facet of the Islamic belief is responsible for lack of reformation, either from within or without. God’s message is the absolute truth and can only be reformed by God. Except he is’nt talking any more. Backwardness in certain Islamic societies can be substantially attributed to this single belief.

    There does not exist any divine mechanism which will allow reformation without destroying the very basis of Islamic belief.

    Hinduism, I am glad to say, does not have any such tenet and therefore is able to absorb reforming ideas more readily. The rest is Hindu History as they say.

    AshishC Reply:

    So, we just sit on our hands and wait for God to appear again? Quran also says that there will be no prophet after Mohammed, as revealed by the last prophet himself.
    What you are basically saying is that Muslims are incapable of reforming themselves; but, why shy away from saying that, we in India will need to own the reforming that needs to happen to our Muslim fellow citizens’ lives?
    This is the fake secularism that has screwed up the Muslims in India.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I am not saying anything, I am just as frustrated as you are.

    But we are where we are. The world is neither a perfect place nor it is the way we would like it to be. But it is what it is.

    If one looks at the issue of Ahemadis, Sufi’s, etc from the perspective of the POINT above then one can begin to understand as to why the Salafi Sunni’s consider Ahemadi’s and Sufi’s as not true muslims.

    For other reasons, but Conventional Sikhs do not consider Dera Sacha Sauda as true sikhs.

    Brahmo Samji’s are not exactly accepted as Hindus by certain other Hindus.

    Some denominations of Christianity, do not recognise Mormons, Jehova’s Witness, etc as true Christians.

    You can fill the rest.

    If Indian Secularism is not perfect and that it is exploited by the Congress for its narrow electoral political gains, then rotten as it is, but that is politics.

    Elsewhere, I have suggested that because RSS is so overtly courting Hindus (29% so far best ever achieved) then Congress becomes the natural home for others.

    AshishC Reply:

    I am NOT questioning the right of Sunnis or Shias or anyone to question if Ahmadiyas are Muslims or not- but, they have no business interfering with their peaceful existence, propagation of their views and other privileges accorded as a matter of right to any citizen of India.
    Ditto Conventional Sikhs vs Dera Sacha Sauda… and others you have mentioned.
    How many times have you heard, in modern times that Catholics have resorted to violence against Mormons or Jehova’s witnesses or indeed, Hindus have discriminated against Brahmos- far less, resorted to violence?
    Your last paragraph is illogical.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    this fake Ravi talks logic only when he is on his perennially favourite topic of 5000 dalit rapes by caste Hindus, even if it is the logic of the Islamic fundoos.

    As for the hapless Ahmadiyas, it is unfortunate that the National Commission for Minorities (NCM), a constitutional body, should shut its mouth tight and await signals from 10 Janpath, when it is its constitutional responsibility to see that Ahmadiyas get full protection of the law to hold their seminar or whatever is their religious activity.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    You need to make up your mind as what is the point that you wish to discuss.

    Your question was Are Ahemadi’s Muslim.

    Your question was NOT wether any one has a right to interfere in their worship.

    One is a philosophical question, the other is RELIGIOUS politics.

    I will not respond to the above because I think we are arguing TWO DIFFERENT points.

    If it helps.

    YOU WIN, I LOOSE.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish & Ravi

    This has been the most peaceful thread – no violence of language and no labeling – just debate. Thank you both.

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    AshishC Reply:

    A lot of credit to Ravi- who has refused to be provoked- inspite of my needling :)

    engrich Reply:

    ahmadis are very much muslim.they are victim of democracy where politics is played on weak.like muslims of india.haseena wazid is doing the same in bngladesh ,her victims are 90 years old bangladeshis,whom she labels as pakistani and hang.

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  • engrich

    ashish and ravi u have to be more rational on anand math and this notorious song,

    Thursday, August 31, 2006
    From pro-Vande Mataram to anti-Vande Matram

    Once every couple of years this controversy over Vande Matram erupts and I remember how I had supported the song in my school days and how I turned against it later. (Not that of turning a fundamentalist with age though).

    I was a good student of Sanskrit, learnt scores of shlokas and was quite interested in its grammar, I felt that the song does not exactly mean worship and could be sung. I had a heated debate with many elderly family members then and I always felt that there was no problem in singing it.

    The translation of the song makes wonderful reading. The Urdu translation which can be understood by many more Indians than the original words is even more nice to ears.

    And after reading the sick novel of Bankim Chandra Chatterji, I still don’t have objection to anybody singing it but forcing it, NO. In fact, it was a non-Muslim Bengali friend who had told me about the nature of this novel.

    I am no less patriotic than any Indian irrespective of their faith and my ancestors have also done its bit towards strengthening the composite culture and unity of this country. My great grandfather has praised Lord Krishna and Prophet Muhammad in the same breath and patriotism has been part of my Iman.

    I need not give any clarification on that. But if any body has delusions of having a patriotism-meter with which he can test my love towards my motherland, then I don’t give this right to anybody, sorry, you would be frustrated.

    Bankim Chandra wrote a treacherous novel and anybody who has ever read it will never defend it or the song. It is shameful to all. We have had great Hindu nationalists from the revivalist Vivekananda and a strong Arya Samaji like Pt Ram Prasad Bismil, who held Ashfaq as his younger brother. Their letters and account of those years can bring tears to our eyes. They all saw Hindus and Muslims as One People, One Race. From 1857 to 1870, more than ONE LAKH Hindus and Muslims were executed by British.

    Each day hundreds were sent to gallows in Delhi alone. And Chatterjee makes a mockery of all that. The characters..Jivananad, Bhavanand, Mahendra and Satyananda are all fake…’jahaan woh musalmaan ka gaaon dekhte use aag ke havaale kar dete’ (wherever they found a Muslim village they would set it afire, kill all).

    Read the translation in Hindi if you don’t know Bangla and the novel is full of words like Mlechhca, Haramkhor, Suar about ordinary Muslims. The killing of Muslims is the aim and arrival of British is their hour of glory. What kind of a revolution is this? An intense hate of Muslims coupled with an admiration for the WHITE RACE or what? That was why leaders like Subhas Chandra Bose opposed the song. This novel and the song is a betrayal to all that our martyrs and freedom fighters stood for.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are a mental case..

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    engrich Reply:

    tell me anything wrong or objectionable.dont start comparison.bankim was terrorist and british agent a collaborator and ghaddar.like most of the brhmn communalist of that time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you look at Quran, you will find its writer Mohammad also terrorist…

    engrich Reply:

    dont follow him.but dont talk bullshitduring political and democratic discussions dont bring holy figures.
    i know u are a mad man..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohammad a holy man..then my dog is god..

    engrich Reply:

    go and fk ur mother.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In a madrasa, while reading the quran, you have to shake your body rhythmically front and back and hence engrich might have missed the terrorist point that you are making.

    engrich Reply:

    idiot here we are dicussing political issues.dont bring religious issues here.
    i can write far worse,but .i know the mental status of darjees(tailormasters) and cobblers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Quran is political..not religious.

    engrich Reply:

    i dont accept.u are wrong.bankim is political figure.a terrorist co;;aborator and traitor.

  • Anonymous

    If someone finds Vande Matram offending to muslims, the Azaan is offending to all the non-muslims because it clearly rejects gods of other and calls loudly that Allah (a pagan god) is the only god.

    As far as secularism is concerned, it is like jiski laathi uski bhains..Muslims use violence to settle issue so anything offending them is banned in the name of secularism. The christians use international pressure to get their thing done..that is another brand of secularism.

    Sikhs are insignificant minority thus ignored..and hindus are taken for granted..

    The Indian brand of secularism is nothing but a cruel joke meant for political purposes only.

    Manohar,
    You better behave else…. We had enough of your BS..

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    engrich Reply:

    azan is invitation to prayer only.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Azaan is fascist call..asking to wipe out faith of others.

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    engrich Reply:

    Azaan is fascist call..asking to wipe out faith of others

    it is not true you are wrong.

    engrich Reply:

    azan is invitation to prayer only.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev, Ashish,

    First the beard. Mohammed Salim, the student, felt so aggrieved and his religious beliefs and practices so challenged by the Christian management that he approached the supreme court.

    Justice Katju, the great secularist, said, “we cannot allow beards and burquas because, ‘We don’t want to have Talibans in the country’.”

    There were howls of protests by Muslim fundamentalists and also secular muslims, but the loudest protests and condemnations came from the pseudo secular Hindus.

    Salim was asked to go back to the school clean-shaven.

    But, soon afterwards, the same maha secular Justice Katju appologised to the Muslim community and the SC reversed the judgement granting Mohammed Salim and others of his ilk to the right to defy school orders and sport beards if they like.

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    engrich Reply:

    india is not secular country it is run by high caste hindu goondaas.hinduism in in practice is nothing but worst of aparteism.that is why so much cry for notorious song ,written by a terrorist to get awards and promotion from their british bosses.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This has always been the story of India. Sad but true. Here I agree with
    Manohar that we always had and have spineless governments and darpok
    leaders.

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    engrich Reply:

    mohanrr dont forget u people are only 13-15%of indian population.most of u are extremely hate spewing coward by nature ,thieve by instinct.can never be good citizen or democrat.forget secular.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich,

    “” u people are only 13-15%of indian population”"
    Can you please tell me who are these ‘ u people ‘

    engrich Reply:

    high caste aryans.hinduism is not a religion it is system which maintains brhmncl supermacy in the society.remaining 87%are slaves.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know that I am a high caste hindu. Even I dont know what my caste is.
    If my parents were alive I would have asked them but I dont think even they knew this.
    Caste is never disucssed at our home.
    May be I am Shudra. But, then who cares ?

    engrich Reply:

    caste is base of our society.99%know which caste they belong.what is their duty

    Anonymous Reply:

    This I have copied from
    RGV’s twitter as it is apt for you.

    You need wisdom to understand wisdom. There is no point of playing great music to the deaf.”

    Ravi Reply:

    I am un-ashamedly and whole heartedly behind the Secular Hindus.

    I despise with every sinew of my body the fundamentalist position taken by both the religions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Secular Hindu ? Can you please define for me what is this
    secular hindu ? and is there any difference in Secular hindu,
    sicular muslim, sicular sikh and sicular christain ?

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    engrich Reply:

    hinduism is not religion.it is system.which keeps supermacy of few on others.just to deflect attention some abuse muslims on minor issues.they arev always ready to sell india for their personal benefit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Secular Hindu is an animal, which runs away and hides behind closed doors when Islamic fundamentalism has to be addressed and becomes ferocious and joins the terrorists when Hindus are being terrorised.

    Ravi Reply:

    Contrast that with a Hindu Fundo.

    Who come out in great numbers, riot, kill minorities and then to rub salt in the wounds, blame the riot on the very minority, they killed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist..In riots people engage one to one whereas Islamic terrorism is faceless…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Secular hindus who allow rabid muslim dogs like Ravi to dominate using violence…

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  • engrich

    ashish ravi and shan,

    Bankim Chandra Chaterjee sowed the seed of communalism first in that era with his novel ‘Anand Math’. This novel is popularly known as the foundational text of Indian Nationalism, which in fact was Hindu Nationalism. The establishment of British rule in India was a prolonged process involving piecemeal conquest and consolidation. Needless to say this process produced discontent, resentment and resistance at every stage. Disposed Rajas, Nawabs or uprooted Zamindars and landlords often led a series of rebellions during the first 100 years of British rule. Peasants, ruined artisans, demobilized soldiers and discontented people formed the backbone of the rebellion. These rebellions were generally localised involving armed bands of a few hundreds to several thousands. The civil rebellions began as British rule was gradually established in Bengal and Bihar and occurred in area after area as it was incorporated into colonial rule. There was hardly any year without an armed rebellion in one part of the country or other. From 1763 to 1856 there were more than forty major and hundreds of minor rebellions. Dispossessed peasants and demobilised soldiers of Bengal were the first to rise.

    One of the major rebellions was the sanyasi rebellion of Bengal, which was depicted first in the history book by Bankim Chandra Chaterjee in Anand Math. This is the background from where a clear divide between the Hindus and Muslims in Bengal began. This is the same novel in which Vande Mataram appears, which the Indian nationalists chose to sing in praise of their nation, came from the tradition of mythologizing a fictive imagined nation personified as a goddess. The fact that the novel and the context of the anthem were overtly anti-Muslim and treated them as a separate nation, and that the invocation of the deities, Durga, Kali and Lakshmi ran counter to the secular credentials. This was basically meant to instil inspiration in the Hindu populace to work for the destruction of the Muslim rule in Bengal.

    The hero of the novel, Bhawananda is an ascetic. He recruits men for his mission. He meets a youth, Mahender. He then tries to explain him the meaning of Vande Mataram and warns him that unless the Muslims are banished from the Indian soil, his faith shall be in constant danger. Mahender asks him if he would face the Muslims alone. Bhanwanand replies asking would not the 30 crore voices with 60 crore swords in both their arms be enough for the mission. (vide the third stanza of Vande Mataram) When Mahender is not satisfied even then, Bhawanand takes him to Anand Math (the title of the novel). The Brahmachari of the Math takes Mahender inside the Math. The Math is half-illuminated with a narrow entrance. He enters the Math where he sees a big idol of Vishnu flanked by Lakshmi and Saraswati on either side. The Brahmachari introduces it to Mahender as the Mata and asks him to say Vande Mataram. He then takes him to another room where a magnificent idol of goddess Durga is kept. Here the Brahmachari prays the goddess chanting: “we worship ye, O Mata Durga, who posses ten hands. Ye are the Lakshmi whose abode is lotus. Ye are the bestower of knowledge.” (Vide the fourth stanza) Now Mahender receives the inspiration and takes a pledge.[1]

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  • Anonymous

    Eagerly waiting for the next year’s Kingfisher calender which is going to be
    the best ever. They don’t have money to even buy bikinis for models.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,

    your wish is fulfilled. Here is a “preview” of the calendar:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,,

    Yeh aapka jawab mujhe pasand aaya.
    Nice one. Tks.

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    Ravi Reply:

    There is more beauty in this, than there ever was in any of the other calendars.

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  • Anonymous

    ————————————-
    J&K Pastor arrested..
    ————————————-

    Jammu and Kashmir Police have arrested a pastor of the All India Saints Church following allegations against him of converting several Muslim youth to Christianity, officials said today.

    Pastor C M Khanna was arrested from his residence in the church premises in Ram Munshi Bagh area here late last night after he was named in a case relating to alleged conversions, they said.

    Charges under Sections 153-A and 295-A of the RPC were registered against him in the local police station last evening, they said.
    …..
    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=741950

    Where are the opponents of communal fanatisicm or is that all a callous political fraud ????????

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where are the champions of secularism? Where are the defenders of religious freedom of the minorities?

    Where is Sarva Shri Vinod Sharma and his NCM?

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    Ravi Reply:

    They are all in one big Rugby Singing Scrum, singing Vande Matram. They will not be allowed to break the scrum until they have all grown a beard in sympathy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist speaks again…The one who cries on death of Osama..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    the terrorist and his side kick, the ‘ace debater’, are both strongly on the side of the JK fundoos who are policing the Christian priest’s anti-Islamic conversions, which they have all too readily declared as ‘forced’.

    It is also interesting to note these very same ’supporters’ of religious freedom, do not give one whit, when hapless adivasis in Orissa, MP, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand etc are lured into becoming Christians by foreign funded missioneries by giving cash and other allurements, because it is from the Hindu religion to Christianity, which is universally accepted as kosher.

    As for our friend, Sarva Shri Vinod Sharma and his NCM, the less said the better.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As per Indian standards, the order of priority kid glove treatment of fanatics is-
    1. Muslims – Taslima Nasreen, Rushdie..
    2. Christians – Da vinci code, North East controlled by churches, Kerala
    3. Sikhs
    4. Buddhists
    5. Hindus and everyone else – MF Hussain..

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    Ravi Reply:

    All those who oppose communal fanaticism are in Orissa, commemorating the murder of a Baptist Pastor there.

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    engrich Reply:

    what a crocodile tears.

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  • Ravi

    The Liberal Position on Religious Conversions.

    1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS – no matter from which religion into which religion.

    2. Religion is a personal matter if one, out of self-will wishes to change then that should be no one else’s business.

    3. As for the current controversy is concerned – “forced conversions of Kashmiri Muslims through allurements”. If these are indeed FORCED conversions then I am against them and have no hesitation in condemning them.

    However, I do recognise the mischievous intent of the Hindu Fundo’s who have posted these provocative posts.

    जगत जलंदा राख ले, अपनी किरपा धार,

    जित दुआरे उब्रेह तेते ले उभार.

    Vande Matram.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The extremists and self appointed “protectors/guardians” have made it their business to interfere in personal matters – including one’s religious beliefs. Laws have been made by many state governments (of the usual suspects) to facilitate this ‘moral and religious policing’ by the supposed ‘well wishers’ of the people.

    Totally agree – no forced conversions and I too condemn them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi , Manohar,
    There are two entangled and yet different issues at play here.
    One is the individual’s right to religious freedom, in here my own anecdotal observation being – the law enforcement agencies (and at times even the judiciary) have committed enough transgressions against subject’s constitutionally guaranteed rights hinting at lack of neutrality and even more lack of competence in executing and delivering judgement.
    Second aspect is , of course, the communal backdrop itself that places a bit of social premium on religious conversions.
    Incidentally, did we notice one unstated aspect of this “conversion business” ? How those who acccepted materialistic endowments in return for switching religious affiliations have – smartly enough – practically poked fun at the whole notion of religion . Cynic in me fantasises about state and central government encouraging religious institutions to pour in money in poorer geographies as a neo-keynesian measure.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    I think the reason any of it ever gets mentioned here, is simply because it is yet another opportunity for some, to exercise their hatred of Islam.

    The rest I agree with you that conversion is a complex matter much beyond all of us here, individually or collectively. So we indulge in bashing each other, score cheap points, etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    “I like the idea that Religion should be treated as a commodity, and it should be the subject of Market Forces”.

    What do you mean – should?

    It already is being treated as a commodity and is subject to the market, political, terrorist and nefarious forces.

    Ravi Reply:

    Sure it is.

    What I had in mind is, let the poor benefit from converting to and fro from one religion to another – for money.

    Let a bidding war break-out and this way at least the poor will benefit.

    In the end the God will punish him (?) just as harshly for not attending the Temple as SHE would for him not attending the Church/Gurudwara/Mosque, etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    as usual, you have couched your post in a lot of verbosity, making it sufficiently unintelligible to an ordinary blogger like me.

    kripaya saral Hinglish mein liken toh behtar hoga.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    Good to have you back.

    “How those who acccepted materialistic endowments in return for switching religious affiliations have – smartly enough – practically poked fun at the whole notion of religion”.

    I do not think it is so.

    1) It is grim prospect of survival that induces these people to clutch/accept anything to make sure of their next meal and perhaps also to secure better future for their progeny – education, etc. There is no such thing as free lunch – either you pay by cash or changing your beliefs or sell one’s body (and soul). The vested interests in the business of conversions (for whatever reasons) take advantage of this fact.
    People have done worse things (and will continue to do so) than changing their religion in order to survive.

    We through our Governments have failed to guarantee life of dignity for the people in question.

    2) A point to ponder. Perhaps these people who convert to other faiths were never very religious in the first place, so going through conversion ceremony and formally accepting another religion is just an exercise. Or are they more liberal and modernistic than the rest? Are they sending out a message that all religions lead one to the same God and it does not matter which path one takes?

    3) I agree with your observation about aw enforcement agencies and judiciary are true. In different threads here, we have been discussing spineless governance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is that a post or Swami ji ka pravachan? Liked it.

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  • Anonymous

    When the Rajasthan Police open fire in Congress Party governed state in a communal riot and kill only Muslims , then it is a non -event , to be forgotten , for the champions of Indian secularisism and the National Minorities Commission.
    When an exhibition of the Ahmedia Muslims is ransacked by the Wahabis then it is a non -event , to be forgotten , for the champions of Indian secularisism and the National Minorities Commission.
    When a Christian Pastor C M Khanna (or his ancestors) converted from Hinduism to Christianity , it was an event to be celebrated. When Pastor Khanna as part of the his evangelisation programme decided to convert some Muslims, then it is a Penal offence for the Indian secularists. In their view Missionaries have a Right to convert Hindus but not Muslims.
    With such double standards how do the Indian Secularists and the National Minorities Commission in particular, expect all sections in the country to treat them as honest and credible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    This is secular India for you. Any oppisition to this will brand you
    as a Sanghi as many on this blog have been branded already.

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    Ravi Reply:

    How right you are ….this blog only has Jihadi’s or Sanghi’s…..take your pick

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Saxena

    Here is my response to your post.

    Over-all it reads like a RANT rather than an argument.

    No one here has ever supported any of the activities of Wahabies. I hate the Wahabies even more than I despise the RSS.

    Please be specific in telling us where has any one in India said that ransacking of Ahemadi’s exhibition is a non-event. Who said it and when.

    As far as conversion of Hindu’s to Christianity is concerned, when was it celebrated, who celebrated it.

    I think you are imagining these slights and then getting angry with these imaginary foes that you your-self have created.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are the biggest supporter of the Wahabis.
    You are the wahabi jihadi, beyond any shred of doubt.
    Anybody writing anything against Christian/Muslim conversion will always appear “rant” to you.

    You would do well to confine yourself to the “5000 dalit rapes by caste Hindus” theme and wallow in it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prahalad_K Please note

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahalad_K tera naya husband hai??? Jenani…

    Anonymous Reply:

    One word – Hallucinations.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    ==============================================================
    ~ VINOD SHARMA JI…. conversion challenge question ka inaam RS-1,00,00,000~~
    ~~~~~ P U R A D -A – S C R O R E RUPAIYA ~~~~~~
    ==============================================================

    Arundhati Roy’s bosom pal Geelani had called for a bandh and punishment of apostasy for the Pastor CM Khanna.

    The Mirwiaz has called for an all party meeting and PDP has announced a relgious war. The Grand Mufti Bashiruddin has started giving muft ka communal lectures.

    The two jehadi- wahabbi T U R D S and much in love couple of this site RAV1 and Engrich have tried to call it forced conversions.

    Vinodji as member of the minorites commission why are you silent on the hounding of the pastor????????

    I have raised the prise money to 10 crores inc ase you condemn this hounding without getting the RSS, BJP, Babri Masjid, Narendra Modi into this…………

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    The two jehadi- wahabbi T U R D S and much in love couple of this site RAV1 and Engrich have tried to call it forced conversions.

    Care to quote.

    Or are you just a plain Khappaonda.

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    Ravi Reply:

    VIJAY KUMAR HAS READING AGE OF 4 MONTHS

    For others this is what I said.

    __________________
    The Liberal Position on Religious Conversions.

    1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS – no matter from which religion into which religion.

    2. Religion is a personal matter if one, out of self-will wishes to change then that should be no one else’s business.

    3. As for the current controversy is concerned – “forced conversions of Kashmiri Muslims through allurements”. If these are indeed FORCED conversions then I am against them and have no hesitation in condemning them.

    However, I do recognise the mischievous intent of the Hindu Fundo’s who have posted these provocative posts.

    जगत जलंदा राख ले, अपनी किरपा धार,

    जित दुआरे उब्रेह तेते ले उभार.

    Vande Matram.

    _______________________

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  • engrich

    इशरत केसः गुजरात पुलिस पर चलेगा हत्या का मुकदमा

    another feather in the cap of modi.off course gujrat is different.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes. Gujarat is different, as the ‘great’ man himself told the Chinese recently.

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    engrich Reply:

    yes gujrat is different,

    under his chief ministership a session issued warrant of arrest against our presidentt and chief justice.

    so gujrat is different.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake encounter list by NHRC.

    http://www.ndtvmi.com/b4/dopesheets/aastha.pdf

    Maximum in UP 716. In Gujarat 20.

    Fake encounter happen in all states of India. No where the ruling chief minister is blamed except Modi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gujarat is indeed different

    Fake encounters statwise and the number of them that were specifically aimed at MUSLIMS.

    Gujarat 20 in total of which 12 were targeted at Muslims

    Haryana 18 in total of which 3 were targeted at Muslims

    Rajasthan 11 in total of which 1 targeted at Muslims

    West Bengal 18 in total of which 0 targeted at Muslims

    Andhara 73 in total of which 2 were targeted at Muslims

    Delhi 22 in total of which 8 were targeted at Muslims

    Gujarat is indeed different

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So are we going to give priority to encounter cases based on Religion.

    You want muslims to be treated with kid gloves..The muslims have been involved in many terrorist incidents in Gujarat..However police is wrong in liquidating them by illegal means. After all Human rights of terrorists especially muslims are far more important than victims.

    Kyon..Osama ki biwi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Value of muslims is more than people from other
    religion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    That means you are ok with 716 in UP against 20 in Gujarat
    just because in Gujarat propotion of Muslims is more.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohn

    Facts are facts. I am not happy with either.

    engrich Reply:

    Fake encounter happen in all states of India

    but not to get promotion and awards.this is done against known criminals.ot against peaceful citizen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I do not think anyone is blaming Modi per se. Perhaps, these overzealous officers were trying to curry favour with him.

    However, the pattern was the same – the story let out was – the people killed in the fake encounters were out to eliminate Modi and they had links with the terrorists (may be true – now we will never know, but that does not give the police the right to kill them in fake encounters).

    As of now, the only charge against Modi could be that he did not stop these, say after one or two such encounters. Why he didn’t? Only he can answer or further investigations (ordered by the HC) may throw light on it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I was refering to the biased media in our country. I have not seen
    Headline like “” Modi sarkar ko Jhatka “” when fake encountered is reported in any other state. In this case also
    Police of Andhra Pradesh was invloved too but media is not blaming AP government. Recently 6 muslims were released on bail in Malegaon case and media blamed the police and not the state governemnt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Modi has become a controversial figure since 2002, hence perhaps the media may be biased and also because the pattern I mentioned.

    Moreover, by accident or by design – it has become Modi,Modi, Modi, …. vis-a-vis Gujarat and no one else matters or is mentioned in the same breadth. So if he alone takes credit for the good things that have happened, then the media is sure to connect him for negatives there.

    AFAIK, the AP, Maharashtra and J&K police were instrumental in handing over these people to Gujarat police. One wonders whether they were told as to why they were being picked and they plan to kill them in fake encounter. You can correct on this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It was a fake encounter and law should take its own course.

    However HC observation about this encounter doesn’t give clean chit to killed people who were identified as active terrorists.

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    engrich Reply:

    first of all they had no arms.hence they could be easil aprehended.then why police killed.reason to get award and promotion.
    dont forget modi was tea boy of a roadside restraunt in gujrat.so he is very myopic only hyped by media.this game was goining on advise of rss.amit shah is another example.why he was bailed i dont understand.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whatever the case..The LeT from pakistan claimed that Ishrat was their operative and so were her associate.

    Let law take its own course.

    You are blinded by Islamic brotherhood but law doesn’t care about Islam or its brotherhood.

  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharmaji

    As a youngster wanting to know the basics of democracy… I was looking forward to a reply on my ten crore question. Well the question has been flagged off !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar Ji

    It was right and proper that your last post got flagged for review.

    You have long since ceased to make any point what so ever, apart form abusing, baiting and selecting topics that you know will allow you to make you FUNDO points baselessly against Vinod Sharma and other blogers.

    You have become little more than a caricature of your former self. Neither funny nor informative.

    I do not understand your motives, because.

    1. You have never ever landed a fatal blow on any one.

    2. Clearly you are capable of expressing your POV, but you choose to abuse and bait rather than make any point.

    3. You seem to be in competition to see if you can hold more fundo position than the resident fundo.

    4. Your marathon spat with Dr Shan, spoke volumes about you and said nothing about Dr Shan.

    5. This blog is for all of us, you can either choose to have a sensible discussion or you can continue your fruitless baiting, abusing, name calling, etc.

    Over to you

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is not a single person with whom Shan Nirad Babu had not had spats. Even you were shown your place whenever you opened your wahabi harangues or jihadi propaganda, including the one about 5000 dalit rapes by caste Hindu men.

    Now the Nirad clone himself has disappeared, perhaps to engage himself more gainfully in the nurses’ quarters.

    You too will disappear when the time comes for your next dole. Take gingrich with you to stand behind you in the dole queue.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad_K

    Please note, no point, but repeated abuses

    Anonymous Reply:

    Jenani, Prahlad_K kya tera khasam lagta hai..Jab dekho kisi ke peeche chupta rahta hai…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist,
    What point do you make except for justifying Islamic terrorism and bashing India and RSS?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I missed out. What was the question?

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi’s favourite line. — BJP works overtime to lose. –

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/2G-scam-NDA-to-target-Chidambaram-boycott-him-in-Parliament/articleshow/10818632.cms

    Swami’s case is in SC. PC will have to go if SC rules against him.
    Whats the use of boycotting him ? Just wait for the SC ruling .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One wonders as to who the main political strategist of the BJP/NDA is? Or there is none?

    If they want to boycott, just leave the house, when he rises to speak – like the Congress did to George Fernandes. Here the BJP has threatened that they will not let him speak. Indeed, the BJP is indeed working overtime to lose.

    Yes, let the SC or some authority prove or show prima facie evidence that he is guilty or culpable, just they wanted it in case of BSY. Double standards! Here the BJP decides so and so is guilty and will take so and so action against him. To me it is a clear case of desperation.

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    engrich Reply:

    bjp is gang of mentally retarted people.cannot win any election without organizing communal riots.rss is the biggest centre of sodomy in india.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sodomy in RSS. From where did you get this ? Atleast I have not
    read anywhere. Or do you have a personal experience ?

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi, Engirch, kasab, Zawhari, Vikas yadav, manu Sharma, Raja and similar T U R D S

    Vijay Kumar ko pakadna mushkil hi nahi namumkim hai ! :)

    Ab Vijay Kumar aisi scheme bana raha hai ke thum sab ek hi tapoo mein ek dusre ki company mein rahoge. Fir audience, Engrich ko request karegi ki woh RaV1 ke liye ek special gaana gaye…

    ” Tu cheez badi hai mast mast,
    Tu cheez badi hai mast… ”

    HAHAHAHHAHA !!! AHHAHAHHA HAHAHAHA

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    Ravi Reply:

    Keep dreaming and sing

    जिंदगी ख्वाब है, और ख्वाब में झूठ क्या और भला सच है क्या

    You are now pathetic

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and You are terrorist.

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    engrich Reply:

    Vijay Kumar ko pakadna mushkil hi nahi namumkim hai !

    vijay kumar u are an idiot and a joker.lunatic centre is best place for u.stupid rajeev s will give u good company.put one shvlng in a>$,$of this bstrd before sleep everynight.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich ke pitaji Kasab ko kuch mat kaho..

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  • Anonymous

    BJP should not emulate example of Corrupt, anti-national Congress. It should allow PC to function as he heads a very important Home Ministry. If there is a blast, PC will simply put the blame on BJP for not allowing him to do the Job. Digvijay works very closely with IM so beware..

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    engrich Reply:

    bjp will always be corrupt and voilent than congress.horse cannot love gras.bjp is party of petty dallals.

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  • http://www.aksaxena.in A K SAXENA

    H T Blog : No short cuts to success for Rahul : By Vinod Sharma

    Rahul Gandhi will meet his waterloo.sooner than later, after UP lections early next year.This will have a terrible impact on the Congress (INC) and the chaatukars of Nehry-Gandhi dynasty,which supplies Oxygen to it. The Congress party is so badly dependent on it that it is bereft of any choice as part of a contingency plan.

    A K SAXENA (A retired civil servant)

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    engrich Reply:

    congress was club of brhmnsts,it has no future.local parties will shine.brhmns will take shelter in regional parties ,like bsp in up.u acannot fool all the people all times.
    they were ruling in central india because of muslim votes.did nothing for them.moreover they used to incite rss goons to attack and kill muslims.politics of murder and fear.

    i agree with rajeev that sp has more chances.though i feel bsp should win.brhmn dalit muslim is old alliance.now it will be led by dalit instead of brhmns.moolniwasis will do more for india and indians than foreigners.

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  • Anonymous

    No matter whatever the topic, this author will somehow manage to criticize
    BJP in all her articles. I am sure even if she write a review of movie like
    Kya super Kool hai hum, she will somehow bring in BJP and bash them.

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    AshishC Reply:

    I don’t allow anyone to touch my feet. That’s just the way I am. It does not mean I hate or disapprove of all those who I do not allow to touch my feet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not understand what you wanted to convey. Kya karoon
    mand bundhi hoon mein. Please elaborate.

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    Zorwick Reply:

    U should see her on Twitter she hates them

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  • Guest

    I have heard this story from someone who was present. After the SS – BJP came to power in 1995, Shiv Sainiks had gathered to hear Bal Thackeray announce the name of the CM. The rank and file loved Sudhir Joshi. When BT announced Manohar Joshi’s name, there was a stunned silence for an embarrassingly long moment. Only after it had passed did the half hearted applause begin.

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  • Anonymous

    I salute Subhadra Kumari Chauhan

    I salute Rani of Jhansi

    I salute Laxmi Sehgal

    I spit on Manohar Joshi

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  • Shveta

    Super tribute and much needed illustration of a deserving soul in this degrading society which celebrates corrupt politicians and celebrity culture.

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