Parliament must stoop to conquer

@Sharma
Do you ever read or think over the nonsense you write ? Parliamentarian and Congressmen, in all democracies, are held to the highest scrutiny. In USA, a congress man is held in highest scrutiny, and often in lowest esteem and contempt. Power should always be subject to criticism and scrutiny.

On average, the parliamentarians in India are 10 times more corrupt and 10 times less accountable than in US. Respect is earned and not demanded or legislated.

What kind of gutter nonsense do you write when you say
“This is not to suggest that I in any way approve of Kiran Bedi’s on-stage antics, Arvind Kejriwal’s self-righteous hyperbole and Prashant Bhushan’s insinuations against members of parliament”
Citizens have every right to hold the MPs accountable and criticize them in any manner they like. This is not Libya or Sadaam’s Iraq.

What would the many thug parliamentarians you are defending do, if 10000 people assembled around parliament with placards that read ‘Throwout the thug corrupt parliamentarians ” ?

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vinod does not make any sense!!!

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Blimey STOOP TO CONQUER, ,straight from Oliver Goldsmith’s novel, where the heroine , in order to get attention of her man presents herself asa tart , and the indifferent lover now does a bill clinton , on monica lewinski. I fail to find the simily though.
BOTTOM LINE IS LAW IS SUPREME , NOT PUBLIC
Just like anybody making wild allegation against judiciary will be hauled up for CONTEMPT OF COURT, similarly IF THERE IS IN THE LAW , that says making wild unsubstantiated generalisation against parliament IS AGAINST THE LAW , then to uphold the RULE OF LAW , the troika should face the full force of law.
OTHERWISE IT IS A CASE OF A SOFT STATE

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The author belongs to this journalistic class – out of touch, totally disconnected, living in a la-la land a k a Radia/Vir Sanghvi age..

He could have said that Parliament will regain its “glory” (?) when Parliamentarians run the business of the people rather than being in business for themselves!

And what is this “stooping” to the peoples’ level? Is listening to the people and meeting their reasonable demands stooping to a lower level? They were not asking for free food or handouts; they were just asking for a fairly clean administration.

Just look at Janardhan Reddy (another party, another person).. His illegal activity in one state , AP , that is only 10-15% of his big affair in Karnataka, made him thousands of crores of illegal money. It looks like two ministers in the current AP cabinet, the late YSR and many other political leaders are involved in propping up this guy, who is the son of a police constable.. I will not be surprised if he was being used as a “front” ( a ka Hasan Ali) by the politicos.

Some people say change happens through the barrel of a gun. Some say it is through elections once in 5 years. Let us not be wedded to non-sensical notions.

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Late breaking news in NY Times regarding the arrest of Reddy filed by Jim Yardley.

see the remark of Justice Hegde “Republic of Bellary”!
How are these possible?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/world/asia/06india.html

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Sorry guys I am completely digressing from the subject. I read this just now and I am still
wondering that how can a state have such powers to take your childeren away .

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/uk/obese-children-to-be-taken-away-from-family-1.861402

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Vinodji;
Very timely advise. If present form of democracy has to survive, MPs should be more humble, open for scrutiny and ready for searching glare of scrutiny, including aspersions cast on them. This is the rationalistic approach, powerful should be more accountable to society and particularly power which has been given by public. So it makes me laugh and furious both, that these so called MPs a.ka.a. public servants, taking exceptions to Kiran Bedi and Arvind kejriwal. These people are 10 times better than our politicians by any yardstick. Thanks for your advise to them and if they do not listen and continue manipulating system, this revolt could be bloody and full of physical reprisals. Now do not tell me that I am Sanghi, my earlier alert to you, materialized in less than 6 months, of a revolt like jasmine uprising. At that time, you said, I am using threat of violence, which even you knew was not there.

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UK SOCIAL SERVICES””””””””

@ mohan and Binoy- Obesity is the biggest buzz word in the UK nowadays. Society has gone bonkers on this issue. The accent has gone from being slim and healthy to being THIN. You could abuse someone and get away with it but call someone FAT and you got a lifelong enemy.

In a grotesque move 3 years ago, most children in primary school had their ht and wt taken, then a BMI was calculated. My secy was in tears when she recd a letter from school about her 10 year old sone who could at best be called chubby in a sensible society. The letter was ALARMIST and scared the shit out of her by talking unnecessarily about rubbish like ‘he could die of heart disease in adult life ‘ etc.
Needless to say, a cafe consultation with our paed endo reassured her. As that expert put it- the idiots on this lucrative OBESITY BANDWAGON in the NHS seem to have forgotten a basic fact- most chubby kids lose their puppy fat in the teens

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Shoeb, in the last blog you responded to my quip on Jayalalita. I have looked up some of the info provided – sounds good. Thanks
But if she is so good and Karuna is so evil, how come he has been so powerful for so long ??

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light relief- my Pakistani colleague Imran sent me this link of Pakistani Sindhi leaders dancing with Indian women at a function. He said a face book page on this attracted abuse by thousands of Pakistanis who said it was unislamic.
Imran’s only complaint was that the Pakistani men were dancing poorly !! haha

Apparantly the said leaders are in truble now. Even our own Digvijay had objected to a harmless twirl by Sushma

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Vinod Ji

There are some facts that just can not be ignored:

1. Parliament has to be supreme, it has to listen to public opinion rather than be swayed by it.

2. Anna has given a platform and a focus to some very genuine grievances against financial impropriety among Public Servants and elected officers of the state.

3. Drafting of a Bill is exclusively the job of the parliament and no one else’s. Situation should have never arisen where un-elected public is dictating to elected Parliamentarians as to what the text and clauses of a bill should contain. This only happened because BJP, the official opposition, was caught napping just as was the government.

4. The Protest movement has thrown up new leaders. Of these, the only one that will survive as a Leader is the Charismatic Anna. He deserves it. The other two will soon be confirmed as opportunistic politicians, similar to many others India has to offer.

However, where do we go from here?

As Rahul Gandhi said in the Parliament, that passing of the Law and establishing of an institution are not going to be nearly enough to achieve the original objective – of curbing corruption. To do that effectively, what is required is a large punnet of political will.

Political will is a function of the lay lines visible on the power landscape of India. These are best mapped by a parliamentary body and have to be subordinated to its authority.

That is what the government should do.

What it should not do, is cynically diffuse the public’s real anger and hope that it goes away for good.

Here is a perfect opportunity to catapult Indian democracy into the 21st century.

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Mr Vinod,

The parliament has already stooped to as low as possible………in a different manner…
With the scams and now with the way they are going after the activists…..
Not to describe the way they are harassing the opposition states…
The way salman khurshid and pranab were cheating with anna and the nation reflects the dirt and filth in the governement…..
TIME FOR ELECTIONS…..

Also for,
Ms pratibha patil ….if you done with washing sonias utensils….time to wake up….

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How much more trash one ha take from Tinker sailor pandit mishra,who better stick to sailing and not comment on medical matters.
Obesity is a massive problem in Uk children. Indian bloggers will find it fascinatimg THAT IS MOST PREVALENT IN POOR HOUSEHOLD , IN CONTRAST TO INDIA , where only childrens of Contractors, Builders, dalals, in other words Financial Crooks ARE OBESE.
The Incidence is as high 19-20% in North east , that is one in five .
arlier research published in 2008 by the same scientists showed that more than 90 per cent of excess weight gained by girls before puberty is before they are five years old. The figure is 70 per cent for boys.
One of the report’s co-authors, Terry Wilkin, Professor of Endocrinology and Metabolism at Peninsula Medical School, told The Daily Telegraph that the results showed “physical activity will help a child’s fitness but not his or her fatness”.

Prof Wilkin, together with Dr Linda Voss from the school, said in the report: “We have found no evidence that physical inactivity precedes obesity, but good evidence that obesity precedes inactivity.

“A picture is emerging from the EarlyBird study to suggest that weight gain trajectories are set early in life, perhaps very early, by some behavioural sympathy between obese parents and their same-sex offspring.”

More than 2.3million children in Britain are estimated to be overweight or obese and many under-12s already show signs of high blood pressure and cholesterol, diabetes and liver disease.

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VINOD JI ,AN UNCHECKED BEHAVIOR OF PARLIAMENTARIANS ,HAVE BROUGHT PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY IN OUR COUNTRY TO THIS STATE.
THE ROLE PLAYED BY NEwS PAPER AND EDITORS LIKE YOU IS ALSO SIGNIFICANT.THE SAYING VERY COMMON DURING INDIRAS TIME,” those who were asked to bend were willing to crawl…”
WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT YOU ,NEED NOT BE FURTHER COMMENTED.ONE MUST ACT SO THAT HIS FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN TALK ABOUT HIM WITH PRIDE.

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Did you read Shan what I wrote or will you once again be an object of ridicule and abuse by others for your impetuous desire to simple contradict what others write.
I shall refrain from attacking you but the fact remains that you have become the focus of some terrible attacks by most on this blog. Please look into your own behaviour and analyse why.
That obesity is a problem is well known by even a child in the west. That the obesity bandwagon of teh NHS has swung in an extreme way stigmatising minimally chubby children is well known by most adults in UK, sorry you missed the debate altogether.
In medical, as well as in other debates, there is a civilised way of putting your point across. Pl do try.

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The Politics of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Delhi are going to be in turmoil for the near future with the arrest of Janardhan reddy.
May be Janardhan would be sleeping in his mansion, had Jaganmohan reddy not “demanded” to Mrs sonia Gandhii that he be given his father’s CMship when the elder YSR’s body was lying in the next room after it was recovered from the plane crash. (well, was YSR ’s crash an accident or a conspiracy to get rid of him by the mining lobby — we may know more as this develops!)

the 50 or so MLAs who were to bolt onto Jagan party are going to be squarely on Congress side now. jagan will become a stupid has-been.

Jagan is a history — Janardhan is arrested in connection with the cudappah steel plant, (OBL) , a plant for which YSR allocated 11,000 acres o f state land and another 4000 acres for a plant airport. Jagan was the black money into white money guy for Janardhan through his Jagati Publicaations throuh the intricate cionnection between OB L and Jagati .

next few days will be crucial. Janardhan will provide more incriminating evidence against Jagan in exchange for lighter sentence. CBI has enough evidence on the illegality of Jagan’s assets even without the need of any additional info from Janardhan. In fact Jagan will be arrested on Sept 9 as soon as the Lok Sabha session is over so as not to have to go through the speaker for the arrest..

CBI is focusing on this as an AP corruption case; so until the Hegde report is acted on the karmataka mining case, BJP govt may be out of this inquiry. The immediate focus is YSR’s team of ministers and bureaucrats, and Jagan, and of course Reddy brothers.

Chandrababu naidu will come out a hero because he has been crusading about the lost license fee for the state through the sweetheart deals and the foul play in establishing “source” of the ore. State borders between AP and Karnataka were changed (with the knowledge of YSR; culpability of Karnataka has not yet come out) so the source could be shown as AP to get tax break..

This is going to be an Exciting case! Heads of powerful politicians (mainly rebel congress guys in AP) will roll; Reddy brothers will be in for a long time, and until the Karnataka case is prosecuted, Reddy’s congress connection will be in the open and not the BJP connection..(BJP connection may come closer to the Lok Savbha electios!)

Interesting times..

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Here is a funny video..Indian muslim (malyalee) explaining why he wants to live with Pakistanis-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yxr-5RXN7g

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Another Video..a great example of pakistani muslims mentality towards hindus..a must see for Jehadis who claim Indian muslims are not treated well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6hgcCAWyKY

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Politicians expectation are unreal and unfair. They themselves degrade it, use it as a tool to further their personal interest and ask people to respect it.

Why are so fool treat people such stupid?

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DR SHAN, again, can one go even 3 days without disgusting display from u ?????
you contradict the good doctor above and within minutes he posts a link- look at the photo- that boy’s ribs are showing and school sends alarmist letter.
My grandson goes to Guru Nanak school in Hayes where the paediatric expert dr Suri said this obesity drive by govt has degenerated into NAUTANKI- his words. So the school has abandoned this policy of sending alarmist letters on mild chubiness.

THERE IS SOMETHING SICKENING ABOUT A DOCTOR WHO NOT ONLY IS WRONG ON MEDICAL PROBLEMS, but is bizarrely sniping at heels of those who are good. Reminds me of when you said vegetarians are prone to fainting attacks and memory loss- God how Ravi and others had abused you then-
Sushil Kumar -world champ in wrestling is veggie
Tamil brahmins who get nobel prizes and excel in science are veggies

your ignorance is pathetic

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I try to think what psychitric disease makes a young doctor SHAN practically live life on blog- not married at 34-
1. 1 year ago he was king peacock of blog- strutting around
2 he prided himself on being self appointed medical and UK expert
3 when he got completely overshadowed by others, he resented and tries to clash and abuse them on everything

BUT worst mistake doc mishra made in obesity debate was to criticise UK- dr shan GOT INFLAMED- HOW DARE US KAALUS CRITICISE UK- and he lashed out at Mishraji

There is house in Kent- it says rear entry. No you shuld not try to enter from back door- the sign refers to DR SHAN who hangs his rear out of window- free entry to gora lingam- Bengal famine forgotten

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This is an old article but very interesting abt YSR family. Worth reading.

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0704/142.html

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@ Vinod Sharma

Sar !! Sir …

Name the culprits who are abusing the Anna team. The culprits who will ultimately sink the COngress boat….

Is it not Digivnash SIngh on the political level….

ANd Mani SIlencer AIyar on TV… ??

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~~ ~~ OBESITY AND THE WORLD ~~~ ~~
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Its all about processed food— the world is going towards highly processed foods…. and it the battle fo the bulge is being lost…

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@ Balwinder

Its all about being a new convert…

Anyway I hope the trend for alarmist thinking doesnt end up doing too much harm…

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Vijay Kumar,
Came back to this blog and saw that you had posted a note addressed to me with some comments about the Bengal famine.
I hunted out an old Time magazine article that summarizes Amartya Sen’s famous study of the Bengal famine. To quote:
Sen demonstrated that the Bengal famine was caused by an urban economic boom that raised food prices, thereby causing millions of rural workers to starve to death when their wages did not keep up. And why didn’t the government react by dispensing emergency food relief? Sen’s answer was enlightening. Because colonial India was not a democracy, he said, the British rulers had little interest in listening to the poor, even in the midst of famine. This political observation gave rise to what might be called Sen’s Law: shortfalls in food supply do not cause widespread deaths in a democracy because vote-seeking politicians will undertake relief efforts; but even modest food shortfalls can create deadly famines in authoritarian societies.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989405,00.html#ixzz1XADZ7rJA
See the paradox- there was a rise in urban income- fuelled by the war- and which “crowded out” the rural poor from the foodgrain market.
I do not see any contradiction between what Madhushree Mukherjee says about Churchill and Sen’s comment about India being under colonial masters then. Sen has not named names; Mukherjee has and explored the personal culpability of Churchill in greater depth.
As for eating fish; Vijay, I hate to say this, but it is a matter of record that the poor ate not just fish but dogs, cats or whatever to try and survive. Obviously it did not work.
Bay of Bengal may be full of fish but, do you see the folks from the districts which are not by the sea make a beeline for the sea-coast? And, even today, we do not have deep sea fishing technology.
To repeat, the famine was man-made, preventable but was allowed to play out. No politician raised the issue or camapigned for it- including Gandhi. (Dr Shyama Prasad Mukherjee, who did raise it, is disqualified because he had a walrus shaped mustache )

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DR SHAN i was being vaary polite- if u got caught making a mistake in OBESITY , say sorry and move on – but you respond with tatseless abuse about anal scent glands.
i will be polite again- why 34 year old man like u is unmarried and spends all day and nite on blog

why a doctor is most ridiculed and abused man on blog

why u got banned from Chikerman’s blog for making sick joke of raping his daughter. THINK

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dear dr shan- no 1 ridiculed chimp on blog- pl u read SHENOY’S POEM -
“”" Shaan Nirad Babu,

You are repeating your Khapland insults ad nauseam

your attacks on Balwinder and Sikhs are recurring ad infinitum

your on-going war with Rajiv has become ad irritatum

your Islamophobia is becoming ad obsessium

you are swinging between insanity and lucidity like a pendulum

your bad-mouthing reflects malfunction of your cerebellum

if, tomorrow, among the bloggers there is a referendum

your days on this blog will be numbered ad finitum,

bloggers will say, your rightful place is a sanitarium

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@ Ashish

Amartya Sen is probably right. In fact must be surely right…

In the end a democracy will create its own dynamics of politicians raising hell in case their votebanks die of hunger. However I am a bit surprised here. Many Bongs were pretty much at the forefront of the freedom movement. They definately ignored somthing big happening in their backyard.

Sad that our cliche ridden idiots never gave serious weightage to Shayama Prasad Mukherji, who I would say was a visionary…

I think it also says something about the attitude of the British towards Indians. Or at least a section of the British rulers. While some anglophiles want to be ruled by the British, the British had little interest outside their own agenda.

Even though India was importing rice from Burma, then, the British closed that route by a scorched earth policy, as they feared that the Japanese would enter India from that route.

I think the reason for migration and migratory labour not getting back food to Bengal, still lies unexplained. In the end it is I think also about mindset.

If food was actually lying in godowns and people did not have money to buy it…. the people could have been mobilised better to raise hell so that food reached them…

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~~ ~~~ AMAR SIGH DAHALA… NOW REACHES JAIL~~~ : ~
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Will the enquiry be allowed ot reach the doors of Digviansh Singh?

And VINOD SHARMA, is this the same Amar Singh Dahla you relied on for information???????

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The big question, whose name will Amar SIngh take ?
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There are tow ways the Cash for votes scam will playout

a) Amar Singh will threaten to take Sonia and Rahul’s name… the scared government will weaken the case.

b) Or Amar SIngh will take the name of the first line fo the Congress– Sathish Sharma and Ahmed Patel, to send the signal….

The next few days are going to be fun.

I Hope HT and NDTV which keep plying the bangaru Laxman Sotry will have the fairness to show this truth of crores of bribe… given by the one and only AMAR SINGH DAHLA> !!!

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2 bengalis on blog- ASHISH and DR SHAN
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One scholarly, one an unstable idiot.
On bengal famine, Vijay, Ashish, Mishraji made excelent contribution.
comment- I do not need pundits like Amartya and Mukherjee to tell me the sky is blue. We were treated as subhumans by colonisers. But that is history. Today Tata buys these colonisers and treats them well
ONLY SHAN DONKEY SAYS- what is so great abt TATA and infosys
ONLY SHAN MORON tries to minimise evil role of coloniser in famine. did you notice how he lashed out at doc saheb when he tried to criticise UK

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@ Balwinder

its not about being Bong. Its the mindset.

Bengal is also about … Aparna Sen and Sushmita Sen.

Even though Aparna is probably 30 yrs older to me…. I am still hypnotised by her, after hearing her talk at a film festival. . fifteen years back

And as for Sushmita Sen, I had the fortune to sit next to her on a Delhi- Mumbai flight. Well… even though I had a Vikram Seth’s Equal Music in my hands… I can swear my eyes were squinting sideways for one hour wondering what she was up to.

Lucky I escaped getting a permanent squint

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Vijay,

This is how the story is going to play out.

Mrs Gandhi comes back next week; fragile, weak having fought (and won) a fight with the demon of cancer.

Congress will hire even a better media consultant (than the Anna team) who will do a catchy background of Mahathma hugging Indira Gandhi on one sde, Rajiv and Sonia on the other side, and Rahul in a namaste pose in front of Mahatmajis picture (may be they will have two Amul baby pics – Amul baby 1 when he was a real Amul baby, and Amul baby 2 (as of now)

With those pics as background, Mrs Gandhi wll make a speech from Ramlila maidan.. that until life remains in her she will be with the masses of india.. She has given everything for India (including the country of her ancestors) That Anna is a great leader who brought to peoples attention something I have been very concerned bout.. The naion shouldbe thankful to this great leader for bringing attention to this cancer that attacks the blod cells of the country..Iknow how cancer attacks”

Thatt my party andUPA govt wlll not rest until all the crooks are brougt in the hands of justice – We will go after the mighty and powerful – Kanimozhi, Janardhan, Jagan, and now Amar Sing..nobody is above the law.. Only my body is weak; my mind is not…I will fight for this great country till the lastdrop of blood in my body…and you know with the attack of cancer I do not have mch of it”….

Another three-four prominent arrests — and Congress comes back to power totheir third term….

Unless BJP comes with a playbook more than just anti-coruption… for they cannot tout much about anti-corruption with their ex MPs involved in Amar case, and the big drama unfolding about the mining scam. Yes, AP Congress will be affected, but it ould hav been anyway had Jagan was successful in peeling MLAs..So they are willing to scarifice the AP congress

Mrs Gandhi may have the last laugh — my tea leaves say she will be willing to go after one or two prominent congress leaders or even Sharad Pawar if election calculus is not impacted..

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dear ‘dr shan’ you definitely are most hated man on blog now
another blogger has been singing your praises above-
“”"wasim Reply: September 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm BALWINDER JI…
by now you should have realized that …SHAN is not a doctor ,,he is actually a psycho who says that he is a doctor ..he is actually a charlatan, pissed of with his life… ..…if you are not married even at the age of 34 then you will become …..SHAN…..”"”

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Reported Amar Singh demand on landing at Tihar Jail ‘ Where is my audio/video making equipment ?”

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Vijay;
You are definitely lucky. It is these times, when living in west makes one feel so useless. You are consorting with likes of Sushmita?? I rate sushmita better than Aishwarya, though not as much lucky. Both these beauties were rival after getting top rating at world contest of beauty and brain.

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Balwinderji, Vijay Kumar,

here is a discussion between two women:

I woman: I have been trying to get a kabza on my husband, but he is slippery.
so last night when he came on me I gave him the cold shoulder.
II woman:you are a fool, re! when the husband comes on, he is not looking for cold shoulders, but hot thighs and that something in between. Open up and he will never want to slip out of your kabza.

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Shan,
You said Waste Bengal has higher GDP than Gujarat and is third in India in terms of GDP.
Pl. provide a link to prove your point.

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Vinodji

The members of the Team Anna have only been issued notices, possibly in the heat of the moment. Let us wait and see how the parliament will ultimately deal with each of them.

To come to this sorry pass, both sides are to be blamed. First, Team Anna upped (rather ‘lowered’) the ante – threatening the Parliament, calling MPs names and questioning their motives/commitment

The Government fared no better. Turned out to be ‘tu-tu main-main’. Civilised discourse has been the casualty.

There are lessons for both sides to learn.

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Rajiv,

Be careful man. Om Puri was sent a notice when he called these politicians ANPAD AND GANWAR,
and you are calling them CROOKS, CRIMINALS AND MURDERERS.

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Mirza, vij,

The Reddy case, if expanded from its current AP focus, will create huge problems for BJP and Cong..

A temple of tribal worship at the Bellary hilltop was razed by the mining interests (rumoured to be YSR and Reddy brothers)..no case/legal action was pursued — I believe a case was filed later “Sulagama Devi temple case” but it did not go anywhere — Rumour is BJP and congress did not want this case to see the light of the day.

Reddy empire is less than 10 yrs old.. Obviously both AP and Karnataka Govt are complicit. So, also, cntral govt — the tentacles will reach in certain cabinet depts in Delhi.

If I were Sushama Swaraj, I will keep quiet and resign the leadership post. . It may be coincidental; Reddy’s meteoric rise started after their electoral support of Sushama Swaraj; obviously Sushama could not provide any govt help since BJP was not in power; but somebody has done the greasing..bjp is better off if they drop her from the leadership role.

On one side it is “gratifying” that the “democratic” process is affecting everything at all levels — How else a person who is the son of a police constable, with only high school education (apparently he was a bright student; but did not have money for college education), can “rise” to this level…..Is there the crticism hailed against Anna at play here — How come this illiterate, poor man claim these riches when people like him should be at the bottom serving the better schooled/with family heritage..

Well, many things will come out..YSR group still has goondas..

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Shan is total BS. He makes idiotic claims. His outward vulgarilty and repulsive nature masks an inner lack of substance.
He is , as they say in Texas about failed cowboys making tall claims ” he is all hat and no cattle “.
For him solution to every problem is Amartya Sen or Nirodh Chaudhury. He is a joker. His latest claim that WB has 3rd highest GDP among Indian states, is among the many examples of his BS. In fact, its not GDP but per capita income, that would be the correct measure to compare
economic status of different states. Where does WB fall in per capiuta income among Indian states ? How does the per capita income in WB compare to Punjab, Haryana, Gujrat, Maharashtra, Himachal etc ? Shan is the worst example and caricature of a parochial Bengali.
Thankfully most Bengalis are not like Shan and he should be dismissed as a vulgar anamoly and the worst parochial specimen.

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Next meeting of standing commitee to discuss Lokpal will be held at Tihar as oneof their
member is cooling his heels there.

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Now that Amar Singh is in jail, our Sharma must be weeping like a Bewa.

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@Shan,
You are insisting on making out dated claims ( 2003 ? ) and proving that you indulge in just BS and lack any substance.

Here are the latest figures ( 2010 ) by GDP of Indian states.

( Figures in USD miilion )

Maharashtra 190,310
Uttar Pradesh 109,770
Andhra Pradesh 100,350
Tamil Nadu 97,970
Gujarat 90,650
West Bengal 84,570

That makes WB 6th in GDP . In fact what’s startling is the trajectory of its decline. From 3rd to 6th in just 6 years ?

However, even an idiot would know that GDP is not the correct measure as its multiplied by the population and WB has among the highest population among states in India.
Where does WB stand today ( nopt in 1949 lol ) in terms of Per capita income ?
Its lower than even the all India average !

Indian per capita GDP : 1087 (USD )
WB : 930 ( USD )

Now which states had a per capita GDP more than WB ?

Haryana 1801
Maharashta 1700
Punjab 1520
Kerela 1473
Gujrat 1510
Andhra Pradesh 1180
Tamilnadu 1360
Himachal 1333
Uttarkhand 1299
Karnataka 1162
..
..
W Bengal 930
etc

Now all this is not to show Bengal in poor light , for which I have the best wishes, but just to show how much BS you indulge in and you seem to have no shame, what so ever.

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AAJ KI TAAJA KHABAR- HOT OFF PRESS
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Six people abused and admonished DR SHAN today.

That is quite gud really, normally it is in double digits.

DR SHAN is ecstatic- he loves having his bottom spanked. Keep it going, boys, whatever it takes to keep him happy till he ‘buys’ some poor woman from Bengal to be his wife.

34, unmarried, lonely. His ad in HT matrimonial reads- caste and religion no bar. Sex- bar bar.
I- am- disparate-my-name-is-shan-khan

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@Ashish

I read your intersting post ont he income disparity in Delhi or many cities of India. But I think despte good intentions, Pankaj and you may not be reading the ground situation right.

I will not comment about a certain Nirad Babu who may have converted to get into the Anglo Saxong Protestant club and is on the trip of “i am better than you Indians now.”

Workers in industry and construction are on the upward spiral of life, as compared to what they were a decade back. And they are loving it !! I dont think you should compare construction or industrial workers with how you spend money. Because money spent on luxury may not be any different if spent on the same thing at a lower cost.

you may spend rs 600 on a coffee in Taj, I may spend Rs 100 on a capuccino in Barista and my carpenter may be spending the Rs 100 in a more sensible way. By seeing a film and a chai and parantha at a dhaba,

Here are the lifestyles of three people who work for me… and I did ask them at site on how life has been for the past ten years.

Rashid : My carpenter… He is from murshidabad, but likes Delhi. He was getting Rs 4,500 in 2000 and gets about Rs 13000/- per month now. He now has his own bike, a cable TV connection, a house in a resettlement colony. And the best thing hee says is “not getting his daughter married at 15 but trying to get her to graduate… and also haveing a cellphone and in touch with his village.

Madho: A mason who has worked for me and other builders for the past decade. He makes about rs 350 daily… about 10,000 a month. In his words…. ” I am from rajasthan where there was no water… but there is water there now…. and I have built a house in Khoda (near Noida)….”

he travels by metro– somehting which I do too, many a time. His son works for a courier company and earns about 13000 and drives his own bike. And hold on… his son also dances on stage in marriages….

My Driver Daya : Is from Jahrkand. I pay him 11000. he left a job in a BPO which was giiving him 14000, because of odd working hours. He seems happy compared to what he was…

Ashish, the point is there is a consumer boom here, which is a gr8 leveller. You may wear Levi’s jeans of Rs5,000 value. But I can swear my driver gets similar looking stuff at rs 250.

The mobile phone, the cable TV, the metro… are gr8 levellers. I think we should accelereate this boom… rather than decry it.

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@ Pankaj and Ashish

The benchmark should really be where we came from and which way we are going.

I think we need to make our society more caring and social security more effective.

HOWEVER

We would be stupid, foolish and mad to get back state control and socialism…

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@ Vijay, Ashish, Rajiv, Dr Pankaj, Mohan, Wasim, Gopi, Shenoy, Mirza, Shoeb and many others- on a very rainy and cold day here in Yorkshire, I must confess to a very warm inexplicable glow in my heart.
A glow brought on by liberal intake of Amrut, a brilliant Indian single malt I discovered this year. A good year for Indian wines – 2011 will also be remembered for the Indian French REVOLUTION, WITHOUT THE GUILLOTINE.
I refer of course to the numerous ruffians banged up this year, but none gave me so much pleasure as the incarceration of Amar Singh dalla. India on a roll.
To feel happy at someone coming to a sticky end is churlish- but hey- Kalmadi, Kanimozi, Reddy bros, Unitech guy, Raja- what a rogues gallery
someone tell the Nashik vineyards to bring out a special wine

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@ Pankaj and Ashish,

A huge advance actually occurs in case the states are made smaller and managable. I have seen Uttrakhand, where used to go for work, rise sharply, the day it was separated from UP. Frankly if UP is divided by four and so are some of our bigger states, things will definately improve.

If you see the smaller states like Himachal, Punjab, haryana, goa etc etc… they are all advantaged.

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page turned-
@ Vijay, Ashish, Rajiv, Dr Pankaj, Mohan, Wasim, Gopi, Shenoy, Mirza, Shoeb and many others- on a very rainy and cold day here in Yorkshire, I must confess to a very warm inexplicable glow in my heart.
A glow brought on by liberal intake of Amrut, a brilliant Indian single malt I discovered this year. A good year for Indian wines – 2011 will also be remembered for the Indian French REVOLUTION, WITHOUT THE GUILLOTINE.
I refer of course to the numerous ruffians banged up this year, but none gave me so much pleasure as the incarceration of Amar Singh dalla. India on a roll.
To feel happy at someone coming to a sticky end is churlish- but hey- Kalmadi, Kanimozi, Reddy bros, Unitech guy, Raja- what a rogues gallery
someone tell the Nashik vineyards to bring out a special wine

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maybe Manohar and Prabhat will be gracious enough to give Anna some credit for this

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@Mishra,
Maybe you should post more in the evening after having a glass of whatever you enjoy.

Anyway, an important event which was not much covered today.
India and Bangladesh ( or should I say East Pakistan lol ) , signed a pact , resolving their border dispute, which has been an irritant for last 40 years. So border dispute with BD is now history. Manmohan can claim some credit for this positive development.

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People imprisoned in England now seeking political asylum in India ? lol

From the Hindu.

Hitting back at Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati who wanted him to be put in a “mental asylum,” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Tuesday said Ms. Mayawati needed to take up her case with the U.S. if she had a problem with the contents of American diplomatic cables that painted her as an “egomaniac.”

His statement came hours after Ms. Mayawati slammed him over the U.S. diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks last week that described how the BSP supremo once allegedly dispatched her empty private jet to fetch her favourite sandals from Mumbai. The cables also claimed that she had food tasters to sample her meals and a “security entourage to rival a head of state.”

In a press statement, Mr. Assange said: “Mayawati has betrayed rational thought. The question is, has she also betrayed the Dalit? There is no question that the documents [leaked U.S. cables] are official papers…from the U.S. embassy. These papers have been proven the world over, including by the aggressive persecution of our people by Washington.”

“The allegations within them are made by U.S. diplomats in their private communications back to [Secretary of State] Hillary Clinton. If Chief Minister Mayawati has a problem with the contents of these communications, she needs to take it up with Hillary. I ask that Mayawati admit her error and apologise,” he said.

“Should she fail to do so, she is welcome to send a private jet to England to collect me, where I have been detained against my will, under house arrest for the last 272 days. I would be happy to accept asylum, political asylum, in India, a nation I love. In return, I will bring Mayawati a range of the finest British footwear.”

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@Shan,
Have you wondered why your postings come accross as those of an ‘illetarate moron” , like those that Mayawati leads ? Aren’t you a dalit ?
Meanwhile, I am impressed at your shameless nature . You are immune to reason and inert to shame ! lol

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In USA, most of the states have very “liberal” gun right laws (people have the right to carry guns, use it etc etc..– for us in India, the whole thing looks a– backward; but they are very serious about this. 99% of the republicans are for further liberalization of gun laws; as 90% of southern democrats.

These gun rights people genuinely believe that their elected government may get out of control one day, and that the govt will use the military against its own citizens to subvert democracy. Hence their insistence on ever-expanding gun rights.

Citizens of the world’s oldest democracy believe an elected government can turn into a tyranny; and the citizens should be able to organize a militia against govt if that happens.

There is nothing wrong, and everything right when Indians demand that the parliament be responsible ; and act upon pressing issues.

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Here is Infosys back to old ways…
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/infosys-in-visa-row-again-misuse-by-employees/181935-7.html

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Dr. Mishra

“surely Manohar and Prabhat will be gracious enough to give Anna some credit for this”

The only credit one can give Anna is that he agreed to be the face of the movement and went on fast for 11 days. He, of course, like the rest is fed-up with the all pervasive corruption. Not many would have taken the movement seriously if Kejriwal, Bedi, Bhushans or X would have fasted instead.

The goal was justified, but the means not.

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@ Manohar

The conress hs only one goal today. To get the inadequately intelligent Yuvraj on to the chair.

For that it is willing to

a) Forgive LTTE murderers of a PM as it could result in danger to rahul’s life in case he becae the PM

b)The COngress knowingly gets Digvinash to fudge the role of the LeT and instead somehow gets RSS into Batla house and 26/11. Clear communal, vote bank politics with terrorism

c) The Congres protects its own supercorrupt liek satrish Sharma, Ahemad Patel and MR Q.

If you want a list fo 100 I can give you.

~~ so manohar>>> WILL YOU NOW JUSTIFY THE GOALS AND THE MEANS????????

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The Delhi Police did a good job of turning the case on its head. The whistle blowers are in jail. The conduit is in jail. The beneficiary goes to Bangladesh on a State visit. Delhi Police finds it impossible to trace the money trail , although the currency is in its custody. Why ? ….Is it because following that would take it to the Hill on Raisina ?…. could be.
India is cheated by his Telecom Minister …the media . the Parliament tell him …..he does nothing. He appoints Kalmadi as all in charge of CWG inspite of his own Sports Minister objecting.. Kalmadi robs …he does nothing. He appoints Shunglu …CM of Delhi dumps Shunglu . he does nothing. CAG reports India ’s loss… he complains about CAG exceeding his brief.. He imposes a tainted CVC on the country … Supreme Court gives the boot… he …says I take the blame. He asks his MOS to visit Rly accident site… MOS refuses … he does nothing. He wants CM of Paschim Banga to accompany him on a state visit to Bangladesh….CM refuses on his face…..the world watches …. what does he do.. Nothing.

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~~ THE BLAST AT DELHI HIGH COURT ~~ TERROR ATTACK WHICH SHOULD MAKE US LEARN
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We would be always vulnerable to terror attacks…. BECAUSE THE CONGRESS IS SOFT ON TERROR….

The court has been chosen, so as to scare the judges and the lawyers.

But the congress is making us sitting ducks

Beacause its top leadership of Amul would rather say LeT is not a threat.

Because Digvinash singh will suddenly jump in and say that it is a Hindu group…

Becasue Afzal Guru case will now be frozen for ever, as the CONGRESS GOVERNMENT KI PHAT GAYI HAI….

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Vijay, your description of how much your workers earn was great-
‘ Workers in industry and construction are on the upward spiral of life, as compared to what they were a decade back. And they are loving it !!
you may spend rs 600 on a coffee in Taj, I may spend Rs 100 on a capuccino in Barista and my carpenter may be spending the Rs 100 in a more sensible way. By seeing a film and a chai and parantha at a dhaba ‘

well said. I will repeat- my driver on 8000 rs per month, was put on the rolls of my brother in law’s factory. This enabled him to avail of ESI. 2 years ago when his wife got sarcoma, he was operated by Prof Rastogi of AIIMS, the cost of artificial joint was lakhs- paid for by ESI.

unheard of 15 years ago

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@ Dr Mishra

It was good to hear about your driver. These are the real success stories of an evolving society, which sometimes we overlook.

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god, just saw the news of the blast. The last few blasts- Sheetla ghat, Zaveri bazaar have been UNSOLVED

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@ Praveen

I think Digviansh Singh should now be sent to RML hospital and hear what the public thinks of him and his theories…

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THE WIMP PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA SHOULD RESIGN

As the wikileaks tells us R.K. NARAYANAN, ex NSI , told US officials, Manmohan singh thinks we have shared destiny with pakistan and we cannot take any retaliatory measures.Narayanan told MMS “we do not think India has shared destiny with Pakistan”

unless this WIMP , PM goes India will be in a perpetual DRIFT.
More Bomb Blast, as our attention will be focussed on MOMBATTIYAN NAUTANKI IN RAMLILA MAIDAN
comimg to think about it Yuvraj would not be a bad replacement
Remember he said “GANDHI FAMILY NE PAKISITAN TO DO TUKRA KIYA THA , JAROORAT PARE TO GANDHI FAMILY PHIR KAR SAKTA HAI”
ISI is fully behind this AS THE RECENT EVIDENCE FROM THE LAST BOMBAY BLAST SUUGEST , ISI HATCHED IT IN DUBAI , RECRUITING GDDARS FROM INDIA,

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We should remain calm and maintain peace
We should not allow the terrorists to succeed in their motives
We stand firmly by the side of the victims
The material was ammonium nitrate…rdx …xyz…abc
There was no intelligence failure. We did not have information about the blasts.
Red alert in all metro cities. Security tightened.
1% of 120 crores is 1.2 crores. Here it is only 10 so far
The hand of the RSS cannot be ruled out. …What I am saying is that they have been involved in terror.
Delhi moves on. Delhi walon ko salam

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Rahul Amul Baba, “LeT Kintergarten organisation” Gandhi got a taste of public anger at RML hospital.

However probably the channels will now take a stand that Gadkari was booed while Rahul was loved by the public

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Vijay etc

Who is responsible for preventing terrorism? Is it Central govt or local police?
FBI (equivalent to CBI of India) is responsible (along with CIA etc) here in US. They use the services of the local police in investigation etc, but the responsibility (and lead) is FBI’s.

It looks like there is too much reliance on local police in India — are they trained, equipped etc ..Shouldnt anti-terrorism officers be focused only on that and not be a part of normal policing (may be it is like that, I was not sure)//Can anybody elaborate?

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@ Binoy

The centre is incahrge of the CBI– the central bureau of investigation. The states have their own police force.

Unfortunately the CBI is normally used to hound poiltical opponents. It will spend 50 crores to defend Sohrabbudin, a known extortionist and contract killer, but wont have a budget for routine computer policing of terrorists.

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Guys , lets put things in perspective.INDIA IS A POOR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
USA is GLOBOCOP. It has listening devices all over the world, including US embassy in pakistan.
It has fought COMMUNISM and defeated Russia.
In UK in Cheltenham, known as GCHQ(look in internet) , there is listening post created for COLD WAR.
It monitors EVERY ELECTRONIC SIGNAL/EAVESDROPPING, and it is coming handy now.
Despite that they did fail in preventing London Bomb carnage THOUGH ALL THE FIDAYEENS WERE IN THEIR RADAR TO THE EXTENT THEY WERE SECRETLY VIDEOED BY MI5, but as there were so many to chase , they were downgraded, but at least they were spotted.
In India NOT A SINGLE CASE HAS EVEN BEEN CRACKED EXCEPT THE DAWOOD ONE , for which all of them were apprehended.
SO KHAP LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE “DARING” to look into the eyes of goras

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~~ WHY ADVANI WAS A BETTER HOME MINISTER THAN SHIVRAJ PATIL AND CHIDAMBARAN
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The UPA gave us a joker called Shivraj Patil as the home Minister in its first round. Shivraj’s qualification would probably have been his ability to polish shoes of the Royal family.

Chdiamabram came. Well he speaks good English. i assumed that he would get in some good managemnt procedures to change the rot. Does not seem so now…

Infact he seems to have beens sidelined by the internal politcs of the COngress to show Digviansh and Rahul Amul as supermen so that he does not become a threat.

It seems Advani’s reign as Home Minister was certainly better…

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donkey DR SHAN
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I was numbed by another bomb blast and was trying to avoid coming on blog. YETERDAY 6 PEOPLE ATTACKED you, cant you even rest for 1 day. Or on such a sad day you cockroach have to come here irrititating everyone.
your statement above that UK is oldest democracy and the slavish way you said it is GARBAGE, Have you not heard Gopi and Mishraji tell you that in 400 BC india had the worl’s first recorded republics. YOU PIG DO YOU EVER READ AND LEARN HERE or are you still sucking a swethalingam.
And dont attack Vijay with language like khap to say that UK intelligence is fantastic and India deserves these bombs- VULGAR IMBECILE DR SHAN- does India have the resources
slither away you dog, on this sad day at least keep your abuses and gora lingam worship, down

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Is this Delhi blast an attempt to divert nation’s attention from Corruption to Terrorism?
Just curious.

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Manohar,
A sentence in a post above you addressed to Mahesh caught my eye:
I wish Anna Hazare, akin to Acharya Vinoba Bhave, would expend his energies to push his Ralegaon Siddhi model across villages in India,
Firstly, I am not very familiar with the work Vinoba Bhave did- ( I could go to the Wiki page, but that would be cheating ) so, I will restrict my comments to this Ralegaon Siddhi model.
You know, you have always struck me as a rational kind- perhaps across the political divide, but, that’s fine with me
So, I ask you- are you serious? I mean about Ralegaon Siddhi- in its totality, I mean?

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@ Rajeev,

I dont think so. It is really probably about Pakistani based jehadis using this weak government to send a message that they can cause a communal divide as well as hurt India.

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The UPA govt. has announced Rs.4 lakhs compensation for the victims but do the kins of victims ever get this compensation or this compensation is gobbled up by fakes aligned to political party.

Can any one shed light on the procedure that is to be followed to get the compensation?

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Rahul Gandhi Murdabad….Heckled by crowd when he tried performing full blown Nautanki..

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/crowd-heckles-rahul-gandhi-outside-hospital/210088

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Pankaj, Binoy,
My point about Anna Hazare movement (to use a blanket term) was this – It is the Underclasses who suffer the most due to “corruption” and yet they were so very very under-represented in Anna Hazare movement. Just an observation – nothing more nothing less.

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SHAN AND TAJENDER
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I invited my cyber friends here to join me on Pak tea house so that Pakistanis could benefit from the vibrant Indian minds here like Ashish, Gopi, Mishraji etc. HORROR- you will never know who landed up there- TAJENDER aka ram avtar- the poor pakistanis are being bombarded by manismriti, zionism, brahmnism etc
Seriously on this sad day, I did laugh out
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All that the poor Pakistanis now need is for this ABUSIVE STUPID WHITE AS SS LIKER dr shan to join them and their misery will be complete
I mean on the terrible day when bomb blast has taken place, this cockroach SHAN can only tease Indians that they are not as gud as english and once again go orgasmic over false claim- UK invented democracy

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11 killed ? 100 injured ? No problem.

Huji was provoked by RSS and Anna.

Thats what Digvijay and shameless congress puppets are going to say.

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@Balwinder,
Can you shame a cockroach for being dirty and ugly ?
No.
Neither can you shame Shan for being repulsive, shameless liar ( as proven by the GDP posts yesterday ) and just a pretender.
Nor can you get rid of all cockroaches.

Why don’t you invite theMr Roach to some of the Pakistani blogs ? They would love him. lol

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Where is Prabhat when we need him?

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Masood Azhar is back in business…I must give all the credit to BJP who let him go and Congress for pressurizing BJP to let him go..Good work congress and BJP.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Masood-Azhar-back-in-business-Pakistani-paper/H1-Article1-742643.aspx

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@Vijay,Rajeev
My point was to show that even a communal separatist and self-proclaimed India hater, feels that the environment calls for condemning terrorist attacks ( claimed by HuJi) without insinuations ( that Hindus, Jews, CIA did it ).

However, you will find congress politicians like Digvijay, still feel comfortable, to insinuate and obfuscate.

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Arundhati’s definition-
1. Maoists = Gandhians with Guns

2. Islamic terrorists = Gandhians with bombs

3. Politicians = Gandhians with loads of cash

4. Nationalists = Sons of Godse

5. Congressis = Gandhians without morals

6. BJP = Golwarkar with beard

7. Jholawallha = Freelancer Gandhians ready for rent

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6. BJP = Golwarkar withOUT beard

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@ Rajeev

such is Arundhati’s fake world.

She uses her feminity to the hilt to get publicity thru lies…

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A request to all in the wakeof Delhi attack–

Let us not use religious stereotypes in our discussion regarding the Delhi high court attack.

Dr Abdul Kalam, one of the most respected Indians ever, is a Muslim. So, also crores of ordinary people who love India, who are contributors to its well-being- also many honourable sensible people like Rizwan, Shoeb etc in these blogs itself..

We all have a tendency to generaalize in the times of trouble and anguish. Let us not make the situation worse.

Vijay talked about his carpenter (or driver), ayoung Muslim man who has wonderful aspirations for himself and his daughter.

We all enjoy the classical Hindustani music of Lucknow and related gharanas. And so many other people and their contributions.

It is unfortunat for them(and for others) that there are too many bad apples in that religious group. But let us not group all into one category, and not pain our Muslim friends. They all must be going through terrible agony now, may be as bad as the victms famiy; let us not create more.

They wil be pleased more than anybody else when the perpretattors are caught, prosecuted, and sentenced to death.

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@ Gopi

Agree with you. A sweeping generalisation against Islma would be wrong and would only be counterproductive to us.

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@Gopi
I am as much against religious stereotypes as anyone else.
However, I am not in favour of obfuscation and ill-intentioned insinuations.
Patriotic Muslims, don’t need a certificate from anyone.
Similarly, communal elements, don’t need protection from anyone.

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Vij

Any sense for the ground level feelings of the people?

Was the outburst against Rahul a Rahul specific one or a anti-politicians in general one or just jsta situational thing because he was there with his protection force while people were still sorting out
(he is not a minister; he does not have any governmental responsbility – either for security of the country or for hospital care — either he is not listening to his advisors or he does not have good advisors (or it is Diggie) )

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@ Gopi

Somewhere the Delhites want to give a slap to the COngress now. It is seen as a SCARED DARPOK governemnt which will never never punish terrorists.

However how it translates into votes will depend on one leaer projected by the opposition. Sheila Dixit had a good image once. But people out here… are looking for a smart youn BJPite who is willing take action.

Rahul \’s name is sinking. His booing at RML hospital would be heard by everyone… except maybe Vinodji….

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@ Rajiv, Rajeev,Gopi, Shenoy

Ravi is strangely silent today…. Is he happy or sad??

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@sane intelligent bloggers et al(which will exclude a few)
Guys , British ruled India according to the book by patrick French LIBERTY OR DEATH through a COMPREHENSIVE SPYING APPARATUS, called INDIAN POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE,
This was so brilliiant in its operation , that all the white officers were subsumed in forming MI5.
NOW THE BRITISHERS USED 100% INDIANS TO SPY ON INDIANS, and they did.
That book gives a vivid description from the archives.
britain has a long heritage in spying.Christopher Marlowe , used work as a spy for the court of Queen Elizabeth the first. That is when SPYING as an istrument and science was CODIFIED ,with proper recruitment , salary ,and the art of information SIFTING.
Spying was needed BECAUSE OF CONSTANT THREAT BOTH FROM WITHIN AND WITHOUT,to PROTESTANT ELIZABETH’S COURT from CATHOLICS.
In fact one theory says Marlowe may have died because his spying activity had horribly gone wrong.
INDIA NEEDS TO REPLICATE THAT ART AND INFILTRATE EACH AND EVERY TERROR MODULE.
PATRIOTIC INDIAN MUSLIMS NEED TO COME FORWARD TO SAVE THEIR COUNTRY.

Otherwise the attacks will continue with the indian state a SITTING DUCK
A

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Some one commented “Can we bribe terrorists so that they don’t attack us?”

I think it is probably the only way we can tackle terror in pure desi way.

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Pakistani tv discussing Anna Hazare. The format is slightly ireverant, but there is fulsome praise in the end

Then there is Hasan Nisar, a Pakistani thinker who I respect very much, also mentioning Anna Hazare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=vqLCdCutgOQ&gl=GB

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Alexander the great and PC/ MMS””””””””””

When Alexander invaded north west India, he was fascinated by the wandering holy men and philosophers. For a violent king, prone to drunken binges, the hindu- budhist tradition was appealing to him.
He challenged the monks to answer his questions or face death. His first question was- I am Alexander the great, what actions should I take?

The monk replied- ‘in times of peace, you should be strong and just, but not feared. And in times of unrest, you should be feared.’

A the G was impressed, the monk lived.
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The lessons of our sages have been lost on Amar Singh, Digvijay and others. The Indian polity is neither strong, nor powerful, and is not feared by the terrorists.

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Some Hindu Fundo Definitions:

1. Maoists = Chinese living in India.

2. Politicians = Anti Nationals, unless they are BJP

3. Nationalist = True Hindus

4. Congressis = ISI Agents.

5. Hindu Terrorists = Former members of the RSS (names not in registers)

6. BJP = RSS Politicians

7. Buddhists = Hindus awaiting completion of absorption

8. Jains = Hindus awaiting completion of absorption

9. Sikhs = Hindus awaiting completion of absorption

10. Historians writing History = JNU types

11. Sociologist writing History = True Historian

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Mahesh;
Let us go to the basics. You said the under privilaged were under represented in this movement. Yes, I did not see any person wearing tattered clothes, hunger on his/ her face written boldly and generally, middle or lower middle classes were in the forefront. So, what does it tell us? is this movement is for middle class only? Middle class has an agenda? or what? This movement was not cash rich or corrupt enough to bring trucks full of destitutes to Delhi, on the promise of 50 rupees each with free food. Which is a standard practice of so many demonstrations of various outfits. And why despise middle class? Thay are the harbingers of change, as they can think/ brood over situation, away from the struggle of daily living of poors and cant care less of super rich. So, this movement did not hired / transported poors in trucks/ buses to Delhi, the ultimate gole is to benefit every citizen of India.

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Why does India get bombed again and again?

Because of our tolerance to terrorists and their terrorism. A very good example is this blog itself where a proven Jehadi Ravi is tolerated by some Indians just because he provides them good opportunity to debate with his divisive agenda.

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rajeev

India gets bombed again and again because we do not have balls.

Police job is made difficult by the politicians, minority interest groups (although not all terrorism is done by miorities (Muslims)) etc because of vote bank fears.. courts take too long a time..

A preventive arrest system , prosecution, death sentence, even an Israeli type punishment – punishing the whole family (in some finamncial aspects, like loss of Govt job, taking over the property etc..ISsaelis geta way with that , why cannot we)

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The liberals of India are exactly like fundoos from pakistan like Zaid Hamid. Ravi who claims to be liberal is actually a fundoo..

Here is a debate between Marvi Sarmad (pakistani liberal) and Zaid Hamid (fundoo who is guru of liberals like Ravi)…
See how Marvi whips Zaid’s sorry a$$.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPjDGkDIgg

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page turned-Alexander the great and PC/ MMS””””””””””

When Alexander invaded north west India, he was fascinated by the wandering holy men and philosophers. For a violent king, prone to drunken binges, the hindu- budhist tradition was appealing to him.
He challenged the monks to answer his questions or face death. His first question was- I am Alexander the great, what actions should I take?

The monk replied- ‘in times of peace, you should be strong and just, but not feared. And in times of unrest, you should be feared.’

A the G was impressed, the monk lived.
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The lessons of our sages have been lost on Amar Singh, Digvijay and others. The Indian polity is neither strong, nor powerful, and is not feared by the terrorists.

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Alexander never followed the advice of the hindu monks. Lionised by wetsern folklore, he was a mini Genghis Khan. When he conquered, routine massacres and slavery was common. In a drunken binge, he murdered one of his commanders.
When he was 30, he ordered people to treat him as divine. When Callisthenes, the nephew of his own tutor Aristotle, resisted, he was killed. A t G was himself dead by 33.
They never teach you all this in western schools
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moral- the world worships strength. That is why China commands far more respect than India. That is also why the terrorists repeatedly target India

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CHINA DOES NOT COMMAND RESPECT, That is why every time a chinese PM is anywhere in the world
BLACK FLAGS ARE SHOWN, free tibet placards are waived, A BRITISH GIRL UNFURLED TIBETAN FLAG AT BEIJING OLYMPICS and courted arrest.
OIL SHEIKH’S also command chinese kind of respect.
fear and respect are two different things

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Mishraji;
As you know, I am many hours behnd India and UK, hence the delayed response. Thanks God that I am not PM or FM of India, I succumbed to the glamour of girls, that Meesha was bewitching enoug to visit U tube many times. I do not like to hear the message but could not resist Meesha. If, I would have been, all powerful, I would have destroyed the jehadi thinking of Paakis in mental and physical form, but these girls would have restricted my decision. Ha.

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Dr Pankaj, next time you visit UK pl give me some notice so I do not miss you like last time.
The wretched land of Pakistan has much to disgust us, but , having visited that land and having seen their fair maidens up close- they with their tehzeeb- I can confidently say that God has corrected the balance by gifting them with some lovely women.
Meesha is one of them. Glad you enjoyed the song- JUGNI
In the end, Obama has spent 3 trillion dollars and still not won the war.
I think if Pak and its ideology has to be defeated then the solution may not need much wealth. I think we underestimate the power of culture, of music , of love of women- which may yet win the war

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To All

Happy Onam .. Onam is a joyous celebration of Kerala..Of feasts and boat festivals; of flowers and dances..today and tomorrow are the final two days of celebration…

It is also a tale of a great King…

A great King, Mahabali, returns to this world to see how happy his prajas are. His prajas welcome him with “pookalams” )flower arrangements in the courtyard, young women dancing,, boats racing..).. This great king was banished from the earh by Vamana, an incarnation of Vishnu, because the Deavas did not like the idea of a asura/commoner ruling so well.. This great king, who was a great giver, was duped by Vamana, who a sked for three feet of land; and in the third feet mahabali had to give away the whole land.. When he gives away the whole thing, he asks the Lord for a boon–that he be allowed to visit his prajas once a year to see their happy lives.. So keralites celebrate Onam to commemorate a time when people were all one,no difference between rich/poor, men/women, when there was no cheating, when there was no casrte, creed….

Fast forward — Another king, Marthanda Varma, leaves billions of Gold and diamod to the caretaker of the kingdom, the Lord Padmanabah..He could have taken all of hat – $25billion, and used it for palaces, stocks, properties..but no;;he decided it is Padmanabha’s and peoples.. He borrowed some to meet the peoples needs during the great recession; only to put it back..

Fast forward further.. The modern kings steal billions.. 2G, Mining.. The modern kings do not care about peoples happiness.. They do not even care about them being killed.. terrorists visit every two months…

Another Onam, another year — Mahabali will find a place that he does not recogize when he makes his annual visit..

“maveli naadu bharikkum kalam
Manusharellarum onu pole
Kallavum chathoyuum onnumilla

When Mahabali was ruling everybody was alike; there was no cheating”….

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Gopi, lovely words. Happy Onum to you

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The Delhi Police could not trace the money trail in the Votes for Cash scam even though All accused and currency , as per its own version of the alleged crime , are in its custody . Are we not being too harsh on it if we expect it trace terrorists ?
Can we prevent terror , in the intense poiliticised atmosphere? Are not elections in UP more important than these terror attacks ? After all no kith and kin of any VIP has been killed so far in these terror attacks .
Now will not the Congress Party direct Digvijay Singh to sieze the initiative taken by Mulayam Singh ? Will not Digvijay Singh move two steps forward ? And then Mayawati shall join the race.
All wanting to be ahead of others.

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one of the reason why India is not able to curb terrorism. Nice article by Mr. Joginder Singh
Director of CBI.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/home/online-channel/362-edit/2012-silent-invasion-of-india.html

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Mishra/Pankaj,

Kaun kehta hai ke rundo do khuda yaad naheen
jaam uthane se pehle moohn se nikalta hai Bismillah

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After this dastardly attack by terrorists, the LeT and Pakistan lovers will hide in their rat houses for some days….

And then come out with standard stories that Afzl should be fee freed and also kasab… in case he says sorry..

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Nalini has already said sorry. Priyanka has forgiven her. The COngress and the DMK is willing to forgive all who say sorry

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A NEWS FROM USA
US authorities have arrested doctors , nurses , and others involved in 255 MILLION DOLLAR fraud in MEDICARE claim , cheating the govt.(See TOI today, this hospital computer doesn’t allow me copy and paste)
THERE WILL NO ANNA STYLE MOMBATTIYEAN IN NEWYORK’S CENTRAL PARK
AngloSaxons dont like naarey bazi, they like to ACT and get on with life.
same in Samurai culture . Watch the film THE SEVEN SAMURAI.While a group of peasants shouting at each other as to who will go to face the bandit, the samurai, gently walks out and comes back later lying under a tree. When asked where has he been , he said , he just killed the bandit and needed some rest.
KHAP NEEDS TO LEARN
People without inferiority complex or rather who are confident about themselves ARE NOT CONSTANTLY PARANOID ABOUT BEING DEFERENTIAL TO OTHERS, ALSO A CONFIDENT PERSON CAN ONLY GO OUT OF HIS WAY TO PRAISE OTHER PERSON

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All

There were seven terrorist blasts since Chidambaram took office of Home Ministry (after 11/26). Arrests are yet to be made in all, except the German Bakery attack in Pune. (they are yet to round up all in the German Bakery attack, although they know who these terrorists are).

Govt cannot go on making statements such as “Terrorists are cowards”, “we will deal with terrorism strongly”, and my all-time favourite – “Mumbaikers are resilient”.. After a while it rings hollow. After a while people start heckling Rahuls..

The prevention of acts of terror in an opens ociety like ours is difficult. But, catching and prosecuting the perpetartors need not be.

Chidambaram, instead of footsing with Ramdevs and Hazares, should spend his waking hours on this issue.

BJP has an opportunity to fight the elections on security – corruption and terrorist attacks are all elements of security. But BJP cannot play the double game. They have to distance themselves from the Reddy mining mess, remove Sushama Swaraj from leadership/spokesman role (even if she does not have any connection to Reddy business interests, for “Sita” should be beyond doubt), distance from the ex MPs who took Amar’s money..
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btw Where is Prabhat when we need him? Hope he is alright.

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@ Gopi

I bet Prabhat is all right !!

He is probably wondering why Rahul Baba was heckled….

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Terrorism can only be destroeyed with a ‘bullet for bullet ” policy and not by pussyfooting or dunces crying for Afzal’s rights.

If a ******* kills ten/twenty/thirty people… why should we weep for such a *******.

Gill understood this. He divided the terrorists by infilterating the groups and then giving incentives to the informers as well as getting them to kill unofficially.

This is the only way to go. Rest is all TV hot air and gas

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*******= b a s t a r d

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Has Amitab Bachan made any satement on Amar Singh’s arrest? I have not seen any quotes from him.

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Gopi amd Mishraji, you both have a very potent way of linking history with present, and God only knows where you come up with treasure trove of Indian history. From Alexander the grate’s encounter with hindu monks to Martand Varma’s treasure – you rightfully link righteousness as goal of king and guvmint.

You both forget the biggest king since Akbar- Maharaja Ranjit Singh – who had mighty empire, who was just- treated muslims fairly and who wasfearless. Meteoric rise sirji, and then sad decline after death.

Mohan R and mishra doc- what luvly sher-o-shayri- in UK you would be arrested for blasphemy. And in Pkistan you would be quartered and burnt alive. I hear ISI has sent suicide squadrons on you 2
hehe

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I think today is different. Do not spenk DR SHAN. Ignore his banal stoopidities. Maybe he has changed. But no- white as ss liker comes up with his daily dose of gora worship-
“”"AngloSaxons dont like naarey bazi, they like to ACT and get on with life. KHAP NEEDS LEARN”"”

Tell you what DR SHAN – WEAR YOUR PINSTRIPED KACCHA AND GO TO THAMES- say anglosaxon hospitals are cleaner (they are), their trains are better (they are) etc etc. You would get yr irritating puny bong arss off this blog, you would be on BBC and we all would be happy.

puttar, what on earth did you acheive by your anglo saxon worship above- did you educate people ? Did everyone want to give you cyber hug- or do you feel many cyebr kicks and slaps come your way

complete repetitive pointless moron SHAN. Oye vottee, call ambulance my BP is rising

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Challa , why dont you give up your BRITISH NATIONALITY , and take up Indian nationality. Wouldn’t that be a great way of showing swabhimaan.

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no DR SHAN, this is such simple concept I am surprised u do not understand. sawabhiman does not mean hatred of other cultures.
And going to another country for livelihood is thousands of years old concept. You go there , obey law of land, get along well with evryone- no one expects you to suck upto them.

I am sorry puttar but your thought processes are very faulty. I am slowly begining to understand your disfunction.
You have father? u close to him? is he proud Indian? does he read your blogs here and wince ?
pl u answer dr shan

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Dr Mishra

The ground realities are trending to suit to the strengths of Amma– tough on corruption, strong on security, big on development..

Let us see how the calculus gets worked out–You can see the political acumen of this lady being exercised with care..

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Eid moon madness in Pakistan-
http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/01/eid-moon-madness.html

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यह चंदा रूस का
ना यह जापान का
ना यह अमेरिकन प्यारे
यह तो है हिन्दोस्तान का

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Dr shan- u ask such basic questions. i take UK passport -
- so my children are given all rights to education and do not pay in university–
- so in my business which takes me abroad every 2 months- I do not need visas

i love UK and India, but do not feel need to suck up to whites. i teach indian culture to whites

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iF a survey is done an overwhelmign majority of muslims would want Kasab and Afzal hung .

So why is the Digviqansh Antulay group allowed to get away by politiscing terror.

Is it the TV channels who need a debate? for TRPs

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@Balwinder
You can take Raju Kurien’s advise and ignore Shan.

I think its okay to even occasionally abuse him in whatever shape or form , because he obviously loves it and begs for it.
He craves for attention and that includes abuse.

But never try to reason with him.

He is immune to reason and inert to shame.

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Ever wondered why muslims want secularism to be practiced where they are in minority but strict Islam where they are in majority?
Is this part of muslim doublespeak on almost all the issues?

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When those jehadi b a s t a r d s committed the dastardly commited their murders, the death penalty existed in India. So the question of re-appealing the death [enalty to save t u r d s like kasab and Afzal guru is mischievious, provacative and dumb.

Those people who say death penalty should not be given should remember that

a) PAk-shit-stan the father of these jehadi t u r d s awards the death penalty routinely

b) THISE COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE RE-NOUNCED THE DEATH PENALTY HAVE NOT PROBLEMS IN CARPET BOMBING COUNTRIES WHICH TRAIN TERRORISTS.

When they carpet bomb say Iraq or Afghanistan with the avowed intentnion of eliminating terrorists, they also kill many an innocent.

So let me know what is worse. Hanging an evil terrorist like afzal and kasab who have killed 100s of innocents. OR carpet bombing villages for killing terrorists and then claiming we dont use the death penalty…..??

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Bloggers et al,
interesting devolopement, ADVANI WANTS TO TAKE OUT RATH JATRA AGAINST CORRUPTION.
i had mentioned before more it lingers on it is harvest time for bjp, so it is a really shrewd move.
BUT will congress be chewing khaini or PAN BANARUS WALA.
Is BJP confident enough that Congress wont be able to rake any GHOTALA from BJP’s tenure.
Well all this bullshitting goes on , NOTHING PROGRESSIVE HAPPENS ON THE GROUND,
MORE BOMB BLAST , more inflation (seasonal)

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An eye for an eye can make the society go blind. But death for the terrorist will improve society in all ways…

You see as kids we all look ap to our heroes for inspiration. And most suicide bombers brainwashed into killing innocents by Pakistan and ISI are basically between the age of 8 and 22.

As a child I looked up at m heroes like Kapil Dev, Vijay Amritraj and guess what….. Isaac Newton!

Why ? because I thought they were famous and had done good for the country or the world.

Now if Afzal Guru and Kasab are kept alive because the Congress is scared to award the penalty as two of its PM’s have died becasue fo terrorism, then it will surely send a signal to the terrorists, that ‘EVEN IF YOU KILL INDIANS…. ALL WOULD IS WELL…. ”

And the ISI and LeT would be training its suicide bombing cadres, telling children and would be bombers, that “LOOK AT GURU AND KASAB… THEY ARE TREATED WELL… BCOS THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT IS TOO SCARED… AND THE FAKE INTELLECTUALS OF INDIA WILL CREATE A HUNDRED STORIES TO FREE YOU… SO GO AND KILL MORE INDIANS…. “

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Shame on this guy Ravi. When entire India is mourning the deads in the blast, he is penning poems to showcase his pseudo intellectualism. He is a curse on entire humanity.

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The question is , why suddenly is the death penalty an issue when Kasav, Afzal, and Rajiv Gandhi killers are to be hanged ? The debate over death penalty and carrying out the current judicial verdict on these criminals under existing laws , are two totally different issues.

Ofcourse criminals and apologists, peddling for this jihadis, will try to mix the two.

The jihadis and its apologists are like a delinquent, who kills his parents, and then asks for mercy from the courts , because he is an orphan now.

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Balwinder praaji, I will have to confirm your truth. Many a times in the last 40 years many counties, universities and councils have applied rules variably- many times children of those who had PR pemanant residence- were forced to shell out overseas students fees – unlike children of citizens.

well known fact

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Death penalty”””””””””””””””””””””
On star tv coverage today of many relatives of bomb blasts, as ALSO ordinary public- ranging from upper class Delhiites to poor muslims from Allahabad, two things stood out-
1. real anger against govt
2. frustration that Kasab and Afzal are still not hanged

One re;ative said that when MMS told him- yeh bhagwan ki marzi hai (It is God’s will) – he retaliated and said – nahin yeh aapki zimmedari hai (no, it is your responsibility)
BRAVO
agree with Rajiv and rajeev above

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@ Rajiv

The funny part is that a section of the lefft and right would not award the death penalty even though they would love China– which awards the highest rate of death penalties and the US– which is pretty firm in how it deals with mass murderers.

in any case by NOT awarding death

a) We have already got 15 people killed in court premises and 100 injusred, some maimed for life.

b) Money, finnces, manpower of the security agencies is wasted on t u r d s like Kasab and Afzal guru

c) We are also hurtling towards a Kandhar like situation wherre some jehadi group could kidnap some innocents and then ask for freedom of Kasab and Afzal Guru in exchange

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ANGLO- SAXON WORSHIP AND CRIMES”””””””’

ballu praa, agree with you that blind worship of any community is meaningless. Appreciate the best of everyone and be prepared to learn even from the poor- eg- Bangladesh’s Younis’ success in micro finance loans, although he recently got caught up in a controversy.

So Anglo saxon who are richer and more stable than us have had the luxury of organising society in a way that is still 50 years in the future from us. We can learn some things.

BUT LET US NOT FORGET THAT THE GHASTLY WORLD WARS WERE WHITE PEOPLE INITIATED/ AGGRAVATED IN THE MAIN, Japan was an exception

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Mine is an educated guess based on a conversation with a retd police officer.

About ten people in the forces will be wasted on Kasab on an average, At times fort will accompany im to court. At times five would be dedicated to make sure no prisonerr sent by the Dawood gang kills him…

What a waste… just to save a Jehadi t u r d

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Some BJP spokesman, acting coy as usual, spoke of never declaring their PM candidate before polls- well, time they did.
If it is Advani, I will rather vote for Kishanji or Arundhati Roy.

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Ravi/ Vijay/ Dr Mishra/ Rajeev,
At a theoretical, cerebral level I am against death penalty; for pretty much the same reasons Ravi has- I am against retributive justice.
But, I want Kasav hanged- like now, today, this instant.
He is vermin; needs to be exterminated; period.
Logic? No other logic.

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This is heights of insensitivity. The victims families were made to pay so that they can claim dead bodies. Shame on us.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/grieving-families-made-to-pay/210230

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@ every one;
I heard a lone voice asking for clemancy for Kasab( Butcher in Urdu) and Afzal? Excuse me, On what grounds?? These people were cold blooded murderer, knew consequences of their actions. They are challenging India, Ukhad lo, jo Ukhad sakte ho. To bhaiye, Khal udhane ke bajay, Gardan lambi kar do.

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The argument about RETRIBUTIVE JUSTICE is HOLLOW. If somebody commits a PREMEDITATED MURDER , that person needs to be put down , JUST LIKE DOGS SUFFERING FROM RABIES , DOESN’T GET TREATED.GET PUT DOWN. It is also a matter of CLOSURE for the victim’s family, otherwise they have to live with this thought that their dear one is dead , yet the murderer is alive and life sentence means out in 20yrs.
RETRIBUTION is always there in every walk of your life.FINES ARE RETRIBUTION, otherwise same logic of pardon should apply .
A small thing is about COST OF FEEDING when half of India goes hungry at bed.
@ravi, the example of Islamic justice was given , because the persons concerned were muslim thus at least it not something that is alien to those individual.
As for learning from ISLAM, there is a quite few things HINDUS can learn from ISLAM.
NO CASTE SYSTEM ,PRAYING TOGETHER , EATING FROM THE SAME PLATE
MARRYING DIVORCEE WITH CHILDREN WITH IMPUNITY

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Shan;
After a long time, agreeing with you.

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US executes many eevry year on capital punishment.

My understanding is that it is on a state by state basis plus certain federal crimes (such as terrorism).

The “anti-death sentence” group here is very small.

However, they are aginst abortion; the pro life/anti abortion” is a lerge percentage ..(although most of them want death penalty not to be taken out)

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Only a MORALLY CORRUPT AND HYPOCRITE TO THE BONE AND BELONGING TO THE RAW SEWAGE CASTE CAN WRITE WITH SUCH STRAIGHT FACE
thus he uses a headine ANGLOSAXON WORSHIP AND CRIMES

Would the person lecturing us all like to tell us WHICH COUNTRY’SNATIONALITY HE HAS TAKEN
AND DOES HE NOT SING “GOD SAVE THE QUEEN ” or does he sing JANA GANA MANA
also The clownish person would like to tell us WHY HE WENT INTO AN ANGLOSAXON COUNTRY , KNOWING FULLY WELL THEIR KARNAMEY

Now some TUTORIAL
In FIRST WORLD WAR massive number of ango saxons died at BATTLE OF SOMME ,probably more than they killed.
In SECOND WORLD WAR JAPAN TOOK KOREAN WOMEN AS SEX SLAVES FOR THE INFANTRY ,they called them COMFORT WOMEN, ARE JAPANESE ANGLOSAXONS
THE RAPE OF NANKING WAS BY MONGOLOID PEOPLE ,THE JAPANESE , NOT ANGLOSAXONS
Taimur Lung slaughtered ONE LAKH hindus in delhi
HINDUS WERE MADE SLAVES AS THEIR SOCIETY WAS A RAG TAG SOCIETY , DUE TO THE VENAL ACTS OF BRAMHINS, WHICH ENSURED THERE WAS NO SENSE OF HINDUNESS
FOR SEWAGE CASTE MADE SURE ALL DIFFERENT CASTES REMAIN ISOLATED FROM ONE ANOTHER
The RAW SEWAGE CASTE turned the dictum UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL ON ITS HEAD

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Kasab and Afzal in 300 BC””””””””””

Yesterday, I mentioned what the hindu philosophers had advised Alexander the great (we can also call him Alexander the drunk)
” In peacetime, be strong but not feared. In times of unrest, be powerful and feared ”

Therefore, if we follow the advice of our holy sages, then Kasab and Afzal would have been sentenced swiftly. Chanakya would have been bemused by the delays today

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Mishraji;
You are not friend. This Jugni thing is proving addictive. Ha.

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as a nation we wish to show magnamity to jehadi t u r d s like kasab and Afzal guru. but show little to the farmers committing suicides and the beggar on the roads.

The 2-300 already spent on Kasab and abother 2-300 crores which will be spent to keep them alive could have better been spent ont eh beggears who need social security. And more importanly on the farmers who feed us.

yet becasue Congress KI PHAT JAATI hai, it will chose to show that it would keep these t u r d s alive for liberal values.

Similarly keeping these evil NA -PAK b a s t a r d s aliv e is only inspiring Hafeez Saeed and the ISI to lauch more attacks on our innocents as the attack on the high court shows.

Meanwhile wnybody who says that Nato countires and Europe who have banned the death penalty are more liberal should remember that the death they give to terrorists by drone attacks and aerial attacks is a death penalty.

And the Innocents they kill in these attacks by accidents is worse than India hanging Afzal Guru…

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@ Ashish

In my view, any one who kills more than 5 or 6 people with a preplanned intention to kill deserves to meet God.

I think terrorism can be only conquered byt he state death penalty or by unoffical death penalty KPS gGill style.

Gill could have been sent to Jammu and kashmir in 1996 after he defeated terroism in Punjab. But he Centre chose to listen to Rajinderr Sachar and Kuldip Nayar type of dunces. The result is there for you to see….

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dr Pankaj, then I shall further disrupt your sleep by telling you that the girl in JUGNI- Meesha- is also a model and looks grt in a bikini- i shall post the link later

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When I pointed out that in world wars, which were predominantly white anglo saxon inititiated and reulted in 70-75 million deaths, I was merely pointing out the fact that no community can claim to be perfect.
I fail to see why shan got so agitated about it.
May as well finish by pointing out that when the Anglo saxons invaded North America, the genocide perpetuated on the red Indians wiped out 95 % of the population.
And the Anglo Saxon invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan has cost the world 3-4 trillion dollars and resulted in approx 8-10 lakh muslim deaths so far.

The anglo saxons, like many other quoms, lack a basic component in their polity, ahimsa, and maybe the holy hindu men who had advised Alexander the drunken great, would do well to be reborn.

I rest my case,feed back from the sensible bloggers welcome

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@ Dr mishra

I think you have pointed a major truth which I have tried to do so many times before.

It is easy to get swept by present comforts and forgot what truth is.

And a true foundation of an equal world can only occur if this truth is acknowledged.

For Indians there is a special lesson here. Maintain your diginity. My work at many at time would make me travel a few countries.

I was pained many a time — especially in hongkong– where treatment of Indians could just be plain rude. But I also noticed that in UK, and in Europe, Indians had come out of their shell and were not willing to be made submissive. — except the clones of guess who…. who would go out of the way to tell the goras that we are like you , while the rest of India is racist, casetis dirty, communal etc etc…

Of course it does not mean that we need ot be fighting or getting agitated all the time. It is just about not getting a bit of sense of humour to reply back at an equal level.

However the history written in books is cruel. Jallianwala bagh will never find mantion anywhere outside India. While the Blckhole of calcutta would be probably inserted in all colonial history books.
Of course nobody would ever ask, what the hell were the Brits doing here.

The world is about interzaction between countries and religions.

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I meant to write… “it is about getting a bti of sense fo humour and dignity to reply to an insult at an equal level….

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No one has the grasp of international history as you have on b;log mishraji, your linkage of atrocities in North America by the europeans with world war deaths with Iraq- leaves me jet lagged sirji.
I think i have seen world, i think i am well read but nothing prepared me for figure of 75 million deaths in world wars

what is almost predictable is the lecherous way DR SHAN reacts to any info on white atrocity, even the original Niradh Chowhry was not so slavish. DR SHAN had one year ago confessed to his SC or OBC ORIGIN AND i think given his name- MANDAL. Maybe he has centuries of ‘perceived persecution’ as giant chips on his shoulder
dont know- but the way he was abusive was almost as is Vijay and mishra doc were lacerating his ******, and not simply discussing international history

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@mishra , some more tutorial

When cortez conquered south america HE WIPED OUT MAYA CIVILIZATION IN ONE MONTH.And he was SPANISH.

Also your sailing and five star hotel and AC car for your children while touring India is ANGLO SAXONS
LARGESSE OR BHEEKH.

The turning point in the life of ASHOKA came after seeing for himself THE MILLIONS HE HAD SLAUGHTERED.
Marthas were a constant menace in Bengal and Orissa

THERE IS NO DENYING WITHOUT ANGLO SAXON CONTRIBUTION TO WORLD CIVILIZATION
you , balls gunwaar , and khap the crook would not be flapping around in the net. ADMIT IT.

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this from a gora worshipper lady called Jayanthi , in chikermane’s blog WHOM I SALUTE

Indeed, every one has an opinion on badly this government work in regard to terror everytime attack happens. No one has the minimum understanding of the Indian Psyche. America refuses to bargains with terrorists even to save lives excepting exchange of spies. Our Delhi middle class wept and implored, by staging Dharnas then PM and HM houses, when the plane was hijacked and released the terrorists. Imagine if the government attacks terror bases in Pakistan. Suppose it replikes with a small nuke! How many of us are likely to agree for the loss of Indians. American women show diginity when their children die in wars. Our middle class are afraid of sending children to NCC training, leave apart sacrficing lives for the nation (the joke that corruption money only babus take! but then the people willingly agree to give).
So our alternatives are high security aparatus and who is to shell the money for CCTV´s (may require half a billion). And maintaining them! So our culture asks us to protest only!

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Manohar _T,

you said, “The worst period was during the stewardship of Shivraj Patil, who owed his job for being arguably the number one sycophant and loyalist. ”

There is another explanation as to why he was appointed HM. Earlier, Sonia Gandhi wanted to make him the president of India, but the Left shot down the idea.

Here are excerpts from an article Aditya Sinha, the editor-in-chief of New Indian Express wrote in2009 under the head”Sonia’s homeminister:

“Further, this doesn’t square with the fact that she wanted to promote Mr Patil to Rashtrapati Bhawan. Perhaps he would have served the nation better as president. No one would have grudged him his sartorial whimsies. It was the Left Front that spiked her proposal, and so, in a sense, the Left is also to blame for the fact that the country is operating without a coherent picture or policy of its internal security situation.

The fact that Sonia wanted Mr Patil to become Mr President shows that it was not so much the home ministry that was on her mind as it was Shivraj himself. This is what this column, after much intense brain-racking and silent meditation, has finally deduced: That the reason Sonia chose Shivraj for North Block is because the two of them are deeply in love.

Think about it: haven’t you heard men jokingly refer to their spouses as their ‘home minister?’ And this love explains why Shivraj pays such close attention to his appearance. Never does he leave home without a comb in several of his pockets; never is his moustache out of alignment; and never will he be caught wearing the same suit twice, especially if he is likely to be on television, as is bound to happen after a series of bomb blasts that claims many, many lives. He knows that for Sonia, looks are important; he knows that she cares nothing for the life of the mind, and that eggheads for her are a fate worse than death. Not for her a man who knows his LeT but not his Jimmy Choos.

What many people do not seem to understand is the all-consuming nature of desire. Desire is the sort of thing that causes an individual to lose all perspective.When desire takes hold of a person; rules, morals, society, moderation, obligation and responsibility all become laughably irrelevant. There are people in public life who believe that the nation is worth fighting for; that it is a cause larger than the individual. Nation is an abstraction that makes no sense to a couple who live In the Realm of the Senses; for them, the only cause larger than the individual is love.

In fact, you often read about people exploding with passion, and we have lately seen explosions all over the country, in Mumbai, inHyderabad, in UP, in Jaipur, in Bangalore, in Gujarat, and in Delhi. Perhaps those explosions are a metaphor of the Sonia- and-Shivraj desire come to life? Perhaps in a film, they would represent the desire taking on a physical manifestation and the dream-world entrance to reality. Didn’t a poet say, “Desire kills?” Well, their desire seems to be killing a lot of innocent Indians.

Some of you will no doubt think this columnist has lost perspective. But to persist with this home minister while in our cities, innocent people like you and I die random, unnecessary and tragic deaths, is beyond comprehension. You are welcome to try and come up with a more rational explanation as to why Shivraj Patil continues to be our home minister. There is none”

http://blogs.rediff.com/prudentindian/2008/09/29/sonia-gandhi-shivraj-patil-ek-duje-ke-liye-in-love-with-each-other/

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Ashish says:
September 9, 2011 at 1:35 am
Ravi/ Vijay/ Dr Mishra/ Rajeev,
At a theoretical, cerebral level I am against death penalty; for pretty much the same reasons Ravi has- I am against retributive justice.
But, I want Kasav hanged- like now, today, this instant.
He is vermin; needs to be exterminated; period.
Logic? No other logic.

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Ashish

What Kasab did was an act of terrorism, the gravest of all crimes.

However, if he was to be delivered Death Penalty, then it rasies one major issue.

It is universally accepted that no man acts out of TRUE FREE WILL, neither did Kasab. He was trained, funded, encouraged and indoctrinated by the Pakistani authorities to perpitrate the crime which he did.

What punishment are we able to give to these other people who made Kasab do what he did.

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DR SHAN- just read your comment- “”"Also your five star hotel and AC car while touring India is ANGLO SAXONS LARGESSE OR BHEEKH”"”
DR SHAN seems to imply that ALL indians who are employed in Europe or USA are on anglo saxon bheeKh- HIS WORDS NOT MINE

NO, shan, this is the fruit of their hard labour- their due, thier right. SO THE LAKHS OF FOREIGNERS EMPLOYED TODAY IN iNDIA ARE ON HINDU BHEEKH- this shan is insane

I must finish argument now- your each outpouring is mentally sick and depraved. are you really doctor? I AM NOT JOKING- YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS MAKES ME PHYSICALLY SICK, can u send letter to Vinod Sharmna proving u did not get medical seat on some quota-

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An interesting perspective on al-qaeda (winning)

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/09/al-qaeda-is-winning/244701/

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CHALLA , tu to gella

A amazing and tragic look by the BBC into the lives of illegal Sikh Punjabi immigrants in the UK. Click here to watch all the sad videos.
What is it like to live and work as an illegal immigrant in the UK?
A team of BBC News reporters spent months undercover trying to find out and exposed a network of criminality that involves and feeds on hundreds of young, male Punjabis living illegally in Southall, west London. These men – who call themselves fauji, a Punjabi term for army foot soldiers – are surrounded by forgers, criminals and ruthless employers. BBC News Special correspondent Richard Bilton talked to Mohammed, one of the undercover team, about what they found.

http://www.mapleleafSIKH.com

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Manohar,

Your comment regarding obstructionism in the parlaiment by opposition members (BJP) – I do not see anything wrong; opposition should oppose ‘ but one would hope they do not oppose everything.

Neither of them is sensing today’s environment well. They seem to be in a different era.

Chidambaram focusing on Anna while none of the terror cases have been closed —

BJP fighting against Lokayukta in Gujrat (ultimate example of “tone deaf” ) (and then Advani says he will do a national “yatra” to focus on corruption!)

So, I will not say congress has lost it. BJP , as usual, is kicking out the victory at their doorstep (hence my theory they are also on the payroll of congress!)

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Is that what u r now reduced to DR SHAN ? The role of white people in deaths of over 75 million people in the last century was highlighted on this blog AND U STARTED FOAMING AT MOUTH ??

Said we who work here are on anglo- saxon bheekh !!!!!!

and when disrobed repeatedly- you resort to usual sikh illegal immigrant stories??

are you intelectualy completely neutered now on blog ?? you notice no one supoorts you but many attack your weird thought process
once again puttar- do u have father ? talk to him, something rotten in your upbringing. I cannot believe that an Indian father will not sort you out. i am genunely concerned

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Thanks Shenoy Sahab;
A good story, with good lessons for our present day nincompoops.

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Got this from rediff posts..absolutely hilarious-

tring tring….
Welcome to the Bomb explosion helpline of Home Department,Government of India.
Press 1 for latest bomb explosions
Press 2 to hear Home Minister’s pre-recorded reaction.
Press 3 to hear Prime Minister’s pre-recorded claims to comdemn and take strong actions against culprits.
Press 4 to know whether anybody claimed to take explosion responsibility.
Press 5 to hear pre-recorded claim of Digvijay Singh blaming RSS for explosions.
Press 6 to know whether any terrorist has been arrested by mistake,whom Congress would give 5-star treatment like son-in-law.
Press 7 to hear messages like terrorism has no religion.
Press 8 if you want Rahul Gandhi to visit poors in village.
Press 9 to hear Gandhi ji’s bhajan if your relative has died in the explosion.
If you vere severly injured in the explosion and still alive then press your own neck for brining this corrupt and anti national government in power.
Thankyou for calling.may God bless and protect you in the remaining term of this Anti Indian government.

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Dear Mr Ajay Kohli, welcome to blog. please no anti religious obscenity. This blog has some lovely ideas from some great people- pl read them & contribute constructively.
Sardar Balwinder Sandhu, blog Lokpal and Singham

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This is how corruption is tackled not Lokpal malaki
Nitish Kumar opened a primary school in a confiscated house of an IAS officer, and he did it without any Hunger strike or any blackmail

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@Ravi : You against Capital punishment ? What a joke ! Let no maulvi hear that less you be whipped and hanged for blasphemy !

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DR SHAN, you will see how I have a new fan who likes my jokes. The count is now 23.
your joke on me fell flat again- you suffer from – now lets see… lets give u a medical term-

lack-of-humouritis

vaary difficult to cure- patients can be spotted in bazaar cos they go around with constipated look on their faces- muttering- I am from land of Bengal, Tagore, Bankim Chand, Keshto
hic

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sushil kumar’s diet TRY IT AT HOME

3 LITRES OF MILK, A BOWL OF BUTTER, AND A BOWL OF ALMONDS

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If we ask Ravi the Jehadi about Dara Singh or rioter who killed muslims in Gujarat, he would immediately recommend capital punishment for them but when it comes to his fellow-terrorists he wants us to be humane and spare lives of those vermins.

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Anybody involved in premeditated murder directly (like Atta) or indirectly (like Osama) should be awarded capital punishment.

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dr Mishra

We exchanged notes on Amma, I informed you of the wonderful work she is doing here.

She has not made any comments on BJP/mining, Amar Singh/Congress etc, preferring to get her projects going and waiting for the opportune time to speak.

She really is set to bring the glory of Raj Raj chola, Sangham period of Pandyas etc back to TN, after the many years of Goonda raj in TN under the KArunanidhi family and chamchas.

She has a capable minister and a small coterie of dedicated young IAS guys/gals whose only responsibility is to enact her election promises – 7 of them already has been initiated and in the process of implementation. This minister (of Special program implementation) will ensure “people’s programs” do not get affected by interdepartmenatl issues because many programs require cross-departmental cooperation.

One of her promies -that the land grab complaints will be looked into and decided on fast track basis- has already uncovered and corrected massive land grab done by DMK , many a time threatening the current owner.. Four ex-ministers have been arrested, so also scores of MLAs , Dist Panchayat guys etc. Rs 419 crores of properties have already been returmned to the rightful owners. She has set up 25 special courts for fast resolution f the landgrab cases (there were 2400 cases filed –).. One has to worry about the Indian bureaucracy when one looks at these land grab cases — the DMK politicians could not have done these at this scale had the bureaucracy not cooperated with them. The rumour is that she will go after the bueraucrcy as the second phase.

She has set in motion a program that is a judicious blend of short term welfare measures and real long term developmental strategies for the state. She pesonally is focusing on electric power /expanding the automobile related manufacturing in the satte. A blueprint called Vision 2025 will be released soon covering all key specific items.

There is already a marked improvement in the law and order and governance. As they say here, last week was Amma’s 100 th day of celebration as CM, while it was the hundredth day of jail for Kanimozhi.

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~~ AMAR SINGH SAYS CONGRESS THREATENED RAJDEEP SARDESAI THRU A DUBAI DON AND
MONEY ~~ Shocking stuff …..
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ vinod sharma and prabhat haazir ho ~~~~~

Vinodji you are on TV right now. And I am sitting with friends in my pad… and pouring wine….

But just heard shocking stuff.

Amar Singh Dahla, in an interview to MJ Akbar says that in the cash for votes scam, the Congress put pressure on Rajdeep thru a Dubai Don and also gave money to prevent him for airing the tapes.

Now Amar Singh Dahala is an ex employee of HT. He is the guy you relied on to derail the anti-corruption movement. So would you not agree with Amar Singh Dahla on this.

Imagine the COngress uses Dubai dons. Hai ram… Iss fake gandy aur digvinash ne Mahatama Gandhi ki party ka kya kar diya….

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What is the difference between BALL winder and a DONKEY with BALLS.
the donkey has a TAIL

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@ Rajeev

just saw it on headlines today. Amar Singh Dahala interviewed by MJ Akbar…

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The joke, which originated from a website called santabanta.com, was: What is the difference between a Sardar (Sikh) and a donkey? Answer: a tail.

Jagmeet Singh Meet, a Sikh leader, said: “Our community has been the butt of ridicule and snide jokes. Be it television, plays or movies, we have been targeted. But this joke by Santa Banta on Reliance is utterly disgusting.”

Sardarji jokes are as commonplace in India as blonde jokes in Britain, playing on the Sikh stereotype for dimwittedness because of their burly physique and reputation for making good soldiers and poor intellectuals.

The joke, which originated from a website called santabanta.com, was: What is the difference between a Sardar (Sikh) and a donkey? Answer: a tail.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/asia/article

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Shnoy/Manohar:

Shenoy- I had enough of Chidambaram– As you know, I have been a good supporter of him..but it looks like he is becoming too technical, totally devoid of tact, connectedness etc…

I just can not believe he will stoop so low to react to Jaitley’s comment (which is another bad thing) and make a statement that ‘one of the terrorism cases is beiing investigated by Karnataka (bjp)Govt and Ii cannot be responsible for that”…..

Isnt he the Home Minister of the country? What relevance is about the Karnataka case while 20 plus cases are still clueless?

Terrorism – be it physical or economic – is not a party issue. The cetral govt has failed miserably in protecting the country fropm both. The utterance (or lack of) of BJP does not lift the spirits either.

Talkig about the “lack of utterance” – I was pleased about Varun castigating BJP leadership on their silence on Reliance- Gas lease issue that CAG raised . May be Varun does not know that compa nies like reliance pays off all parties including Marxists..

BTW Vijay, how is Varun perceived in Delhi /BJP circles.. Do you think he can steer a leadership role? Or do you thik he will end up in Shiv Sena?

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BVS-

Why would Sadamd Gowda say that reddy’s arrest is Congress conspiracy — is he losing it too?
or is the pressure too much….

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@ Gopi

Personally I would not want another member fo the dynasty to jump into the fray. Varun may be Sanjay’s son but has little to show beyond that.

Let him be a minister one day… whenever the BJP wins. I dont think the BJP will ever project him as a leader but just one of the many candidates.

He made a mistake with his speeches. Maybe he should higher me for a speech writer

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higher= hire.

Ohh the effects of french wine…

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Gopi

Cheers !

Hope we do have satisfying times ahead….

And manage to elect rulers who are fair, intelligent, efficient and visionry…

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@ Ravi

I am trying to decipher what you have written…

Either I have had ttoo much of the wine

OR

You have had desi THARRA…

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@ Ravi

But never said that rudely… just my normal bantering stuff…

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Okkk

Well Shorthand was probably my dad’s gen thing…

And right now… I need longhands. Friends in the house. Pouring drinks…. and this addictive blog…

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In that case womebody should make a brand called 3 w’s for Indians. Kuch nahin… par 3 w’s chalega…

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Now being called to serve dinner… so gnight… all…

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@ Gopi and Mohan-
Amrut whisky single malt- has been winning international awards-
http://www.whatdoesjohnknow.com/2009/10/05/jim-murrays-world-whisky-awards-for-2010/

The famous Harrod’s store in London and the best golf course in UK- St Andrews- stock it
Cheers all- that is mahua swabhimaan for us all – chak de India

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@ SHOEB- Jayalalitha is like Tamil Nadu- very difficult to figure out.

I disliked her arrogance 20 years ago- remember her son’s wedding cost crores;; then admired her open anti LTTE stance for which she was targetted and had to wear those bullet proof vests;; and then kind of agreed with her hard stance on Rajapakse- virtually calling him a war criminal this year !!
And then inviting Modi to her coronation – dont know what to make of it all

They say TN is now the Detroit in terms of car manufacture- and I think Nokia has a mega major factory there as well – in that arid land if she can provide good governance then her 500 shoe collection of 20 years ago will be forgiven

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@Balwinder praa- you wanted links about famines and epidemics resulting from World war 1- what I call European war 1- no time but here is one link-
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/6135

” A devastating famine descended on Russia in 1921. The famine was centered in and beyond the Volga River valley and also in southern Ukraine. The estimates of the death toll run from 5 million to 10 million people. ”

I know what i am talking about praaji

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praaji, we always kick ourselves in India over butchery of partition, and rightly so- 7 lakh dead. Often the white historians also rub our noses in it.
What they forget is that in world wars most of the violence, esp in WW1 , was initiated by anglo-saxons or whites. WW 1 resulted in 8 million dead soldiers and ? 12 million dead civilians- the Europeans behaved LIKE SAVAGES

Briefly WW 1 WENT LIKE THIS- Archduke got shot, Austria invaded Serbia, Germany attacked everyone, Russia attacked Germany. Italy, UK, Bulgaria and France said- we want to join the party- etc etc it was mind blowing brutality

I mention all this to simply point out that hundreds of years of slavery prevents a lot of Indians from analysing world history dispassionately. There are paople here like Vijay and Shoeb etc who are well travelled and dont take shit- but many are gullible.

conc- the best of Anglo-saxon culture is as good as ours. My feeling is that their worst is WORSE than ours
end of history lesson. Good night folk

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Ravi,
reacting to your answer to my post on Capital punishment.
What Kasab did was an act of terrorism, the gravest of all crimes.
However, if he was to be delivered Death Penalty, then it rasies one major issue.
It is universally accepted that no man acts out of TRUE FREE WILL, neither did Kasab. He was trained, funded, encouraged and indoctrinated by the Pakistani authorities to perpitrate the crime which he did.
What punishment are we able to give to these other people who made Kasab do what he did.

I have confessed already that I find it difficult to react logically on this one issue. Give me my Kasab and you can let live all others on the death row.
By the way, “no man acts absolutely independently”, does not absolve the person of the consequences of one’s action. All you can say is that we are having to let go of others who were planners, instigators and motivators. I am sure, most Indians, if given a choice would hang Hafiz Sayeed and his ilk as well. But, we can’t delay hanging Kasab till we hang ALL others behind the carnage.

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Neither the NIA nor the Delhi Police has made much headway in the investigations of the Bomb Blasts. Same failure in the earlier bomb blasts too This speaks very poorly of our intelligence services , the IB and the RAW. Investigation of Terror Attacks , would primarily be dependent on Inputs from Intelligence agencies on the ” modules” or “groups” , finding out their capabilities ,movements etc. Forensic evidence can only be of help in identifying technology , competence level , modus operandi etc. But identification of the culprits is totally independent on inputs from intel agencies.
So what has gone wrong with our Intelligence agencies? Have they become incompetent ? or they are not able to function properly. ? Is the Government at fault ? Is the political atmosphere created by the likes of Digvijay Singh and Mulayam Singh putting shackles on the Intel agencies ? Or are the wrong people being appointed to head these agencies? Or we need the Laws to give teeth to police so that we may not see ordinary people losing their lives or limbs .
Or IS the government waiting for another Anna Tsunami , to move it to find quick answers? So will they do it ? I dont think so ….not after after reading about Dalla Raja’s interview that the Congress party took the help of the Dubai Don to silence Rajdeep Sardesai.

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@ Dr Mishra

You mentioned the Russian famine… Now here is food for thought!!

Walk around Moscow and you find some of the prettiest faces and the best figures in women. And some of the men do look muscular, almost fit to do a pole vault or a triple somersault…

BUT

Some of the over Forty people are also so grossly overweight. Almost like walking refrigerators of vodka and raw meat. The men must be 40 kg overweight and women at least 30 kg..

“What happens to these beautiful girls once they turn 30?” I asked Ravi, an Indian student who doubled as a guide in Moscow.

Well the story goes that, Russia being so cold for most part of the year and was also prone to famines in the the early part of the last century, has a tradition of people eating food excess food when it is available from the famine years. Even though they well managed their food supplies after that…

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Praveen we share border with Pakistan not Norway. If usa cannot control border with mexico- drugs and hispanics wade across, then same here- only problem is, what comes across is more dangerous than drug even- IT IS IDEOLOGY.
PL you do not feel depressed – every radical ism declines ultimaterly. As Dr Mishraji said brilliantly above- even europeans were worst than savages in last century- then hatred blew over.

doc saheb, your grasp of world history is second to none and your ability to link and compare diff cultures and nationalities is stupendus. I salute you sirji- keep it flowing

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Praveen–

The police IG’s name is Tomin Thachankary (and not Thachangary)

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Balwinderji/Shan

A joke on sardarjis.

One guy was trying to ridicule a sardarji. He told him that you all sikhs dont have any respect in
India. Just look AT the flag. It has three colours – Safron for hindus – green for muslims and
white for christains . No sign for sikhs.
This sardarji in his booming voice told him JHANDE KE BEECH ME JO DANDO HAI WOH
KYA TERE BAAP KA HAI. WOH HAMARA HAI.

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Please read Dando as DANDA

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@ MOhan

Good one…

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LISTEN MOHAN YOU KHAP, let me shine some Punjabi renassance on you. It is because of us that you Indians are fed or u would starve.
now expert opinion
AND VIJAY GEEZER, HONOUR KILLING IS YOUR PESHA, so dont cross swords with me. I have more degrees than you can count AND NO I AM NOT MBBS ON reservation quota
and Mishra and GOPI- YOU WASTERS GLORIFYING INDIAN HISSTORY ALL THE TIME- let me tell you if it wasnot for us british you would not have paper to write on.
WE EUROPEANS INVENTED WHEEL WHICH MAKES world go around, we also invented english before which yOU ALL USED SIGN LANGUAGE AND LIVED IN WIGWAMS

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@Shan,

I was reading an exchange between you and Dr. Misra. I have no intention of entering between you two (both of you are more than capable of handling yourself). But just few notes.

Many a times, our search of bread and good life take us to different lands. Passport becomes a necessary official document for practical purposes, but does not induce passion. (Like the registrar office certificate for a couple who are wedded for 20 years). What is a “foreign land” for our heart? I think, anything which is not native. (For a Bengali, it could be Bangalore). For those who stay abroad, their India lies in the memory of their school, the gali they were walking and that chai ka dukaan instead of the lions picture on the passport. People would not feel any sense of loosing when they change passport, but feel so disturbed when they see their favorite restaurant in their town has been
closed; for their mind, it was their India. Many people who return to Bangalore planning to settle for good return back again. They don’t see “their India” in the place they were brought up. It is not anybody’s fault. (I remember you writing about missing rosgolla and jalebi in today’s Bengal).

What difference it makes to India between a person who works in UK with Indian passport, another working in UK without Indian passport? Their lifestyle is same, their contribution to India is same. Why India should appreciate one over other? Also between an Indian who works for American MNC in India and another Indian who works in US. Both are working for a foreign company, earning in dollars (may pay taxes in different countries depending where they stay at the moment), can’t avoid taking someone else’s job in a competitive world. What is the need for one to impose moral superiority to another?

Sorry Shan, I hate the word “imposing”. I may be a hard core veggie. But I do not oppose some one eating beef; It is their way of life life. I just don’t want to be imposed. When people feel bad about teen age girls in western countries going for abortion, I get a smile. Where does India stand in porn watching? So seeing is not bad, doing is bad. (I suppose, this is what Krishna called as Mithyachara in Gita). I suppose, it is again a kind of imposing moral superiority over another culture. You call yourself a rationalist, why do you try to impose your opinions onto others way of life?

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and listen shenoy, konkan plonker WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED TAKING BRIBES let me tell you who are you to crack jokes at me calling me SWETHALINGAM- UPBHOGTA.

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HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY AM I IN THIS STRANGE PLACE. why are these men wearing vests and dancing to YMCA. and they ALL HAVE MOUSTACHES
where has DR SHAN’S SPIRIT BROUGHT ME
HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shenoy saheb, what is this mantravaadi shit- get this DR SHAN spirit out of my body- it took me to a GAY BAR
Shan you miserable dog, now i know what you do
bloody hell holy macaroni- they are feeling my bum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@Shan

THERE WAS NO SENSE OF HINDUNESS FOR SEWAGE CASTE MADE SURE ……
What should one do if they happen to be born in this class? To me, my caste is another identity like my language. The rituals celebrated, the cultural nuisances, the food prepared on festival day are unique to my community which I enjoy. I know other caste will have their own special things. A single monolithic culture throughout would have been monotonous.
I take no pride in Aryabhata’s discovery; it is not mine. I don’t feel guilty about myself when I read copypaste of ManuSmriti in these blogs. I do not know, which kingdom, which dynasty in which era ruled according to that book, like Sharia laws. But I will not question. End of the day, it is not me again. When you visited Colosseum in Rome, the guide would have said, “This is such a magnificent structure. But let me tell you, nothing good happened here”. Did you see any guilt in their eyes for the slavery that Rome had once practiced?

Agreed, there was no Hinduness in us. There was not even Indianness in us. We are called Hindus, why? Some outsiders labelled us. We are called Indians, why? Again some outsiders labelled us. Tell me, what would we have lost if someone had not clubbed us together under one name “Hindu”? Despite that label, we are still Brahmins, Jats, Yadavs, Reddys when it comes to marriage.
What would we have lost if we were not Indians, instead a Punjabi, Tamil, Bihari? European countries are as small as our states, each speaking different languages. They do have their share of differences but still make an economical union. If our land was not ruled by a single company, instead by different kingdoms; most probably we would have ended up like Europe. What would have been the harm? (Yes, we would not have run BPOs with English speaking kids, they would taken up different jobs like every Eu countries).

Those who oppose people marrying the same caste find no harm when a Muslim marries Muslim or a Christian marries Christian, why? What is the difference between a caste and religion? Just because a community did not have a prophet or a book, will that make its cultural practices (which are much older) less unique? Those who entered our land hundreds of years ago had not seen a multi cultural society. (They are witnessing only now). They branded us into one religion, we didn’t. Why should we feel ashamed about our diverse culture and condemn castes at every opportunity? It is the social hierarchy existing between the castes which need to be condemned, not caste themselves. (US represents cultural diversity without hierarchy). Hierarchy could be economical as well. (In Mahabharat, Karna was ridiculed because of his caste. Why did Drona who was a Brahmin, who had all the skills for a king could not get milk for his child?). Sometimes languages also have shown hierarchy. Hindi over south Indian languages. But for that, we can’t loose our language. Isn’t it part of our identity?

ALL DIFFERENT CASTES REMAIN ISOLATED FROM ONE ANOTHER The RAW SEWAGE CASTE turned the dictum …
Every community wanted to keep their identity(/culture) safe. They might have found that security by remaining together as a group and being isolated from each other. Who is to be blamed for this general human psyche? When every caste did not touch the rest, why did we use the term “untouchables” only to one class? What they faced was social outcasting (doing lower end jobs and not being allowed in village festivals). Considering this group consisted of people who had wronged according to the society, this samajik bahishkar seems more civilized than chaining them as a slave or dumping them in a different island. What the society did not figure out is, why a criminal’s child has to be punished this way. We don’t know, when this system started. Given some time, probably society would have figured out a solution. (Just like it let a prostitute’s son to study and become a Rishi). But western invasion started and society structure did not remain same.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL ON ITS HEAD
Today has USA with its diverse culture fallen? Has Europe with those tiny countries fallen? Then why do we believe, we would have fallen otherwise. Is it again because, someone else said so?

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Welcome back VINAY, you create subtlety within nuances. Always a pleasure to read you. Agree with most, disagree with some. This blog needs refined debate.

1. I feel pleasure and pride – cant help it, it is my naural emotion- in Aryabhat’s mind boggling knowledge of astronomy- said the earth was round and revolved around the sun- in 500 AD. He was one of us.
2. I feel equal pleasure in reading about Lincoln who took a stand against slavery. He was also one of us.
3. What is this us- you can expend or contract it to your desire. Where Al Qaeda and radical muslims get it wrong is there ‘us’ is very narrow, and involves violence against ‘them’. That ‘them’ includes many who were in the Islamic ‘us’ Shias, Ahnediyas.
4. It is puerile nonsense to look at India’s past and blame brahmins. I have never blamed bania money lenders, or cruel kshatriya landlords- come on guys move on. Set good laws and abolish poverty systematically and treat every human with respect.

Vinay, I will stop here. More later, but welcome back

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BAD NEWS FOR MANOHAR, MAHESH, PRABHAT, RAVI AND VINOD SHARMA!!!!!!!!!

MUSLIMS ARE WARMING UP TO THE BJP!!!!!!!!!!
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Please read the article which has appeared in today’s New Indian Express, Bangalore.

THIS NEWS HAS BEEN SUPPRESSED BY THE ENTIRE MEDIA
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MUSLIMS WARMING UP TO BJP

BY CITHARA PAUL

New Delhi: There were not many leading minority faces in the first ever national level “Eid Milan samaroh, Sham-e-Ghazal” organized by the BJP minority cell here early last week.
The lone exception was the presence of the tallest Shia leader, maulana Kalbe Sadiq. But he made up for the absence of the rest by hugging BJP leader, L.K.Advani on the dais, which had a lotus and a mosqueas the backdrop. There was also a portrait of ‘Bharatmata’ on the side; and hundreds of skull-cap wearing moulvis and moulanas were looking at the two with captive attention.

It seems some churning is happening in the minority psyche and if the initial indicators are to be taken seriousaly, then the BJP does have some good news in the offing.

“This Eid Milan smaroh was a very good gesture on the part of the BJP. The minority community does have some apprehensions about the BJP’s past actions, but that does not mean BJP is untouchable. Nothing is static in politics and as a community, which believes in peaceful co-existence, we are ready to move on”. Said the Moulana, who has raised many a conservative eye brow by talking against purdah system and also backward looking moulanas to the Express.

Sadiq, who is also the general secretary of the All India Shia Ulema-e-Hind, said the Muslim community is looking at the BJP for more inclusive gestures.

Sadiq represents the Shias-a minority within the Muslim community-who are considered to be more progressive than the Sunnis in the country. And the BJP is focusing their attention on these “forward looking elements” within the Muslim community.

“We don’t expect the radical types to attend our function. We are focusing on educated and forward looking Muslims, who are beyond the shackles of rigid conservatism”, said Dr. J.K.Jain of the BJP’s minority morcha.

It is a different matter that no other Muslim leader turned up for the meeting despite BJP sending out invitations to almost all community organization leaders. But, even those, who didn’t attend the meeting, said, “BJP is no longer untouchable”. The reason for their absence, according to most, is that it is ‘too early to take a drastic u turn’.

“There is no point in singling out BJP as anti-minorityu. If BJP is anti-minority, so is the congress party, which is all talk and no action. In the last few years of the congress rule, there has been a real churning within the community in favour of the BJP and we no longer hold the BJP untaouchable”, said Dr. Tasleem Rehmani of the Muslim Political Council.

According to Dr. Rehmani, who had contested the elections in UP under the banner of Rashtriya Ulema Council in the last general elections, the Ulema Council has no problem in having an understanding with the BJP in the coming UP elections.

Interestingly, Dr. Rehmani had been a link between the Left and the Muslim groups during the anti-nuclear deal agitations. “In a way, it is easier to deal with the BJP, which has no minority appeasement policy rather than with the congress or the Lefty, who consider the Muslims as nothing but vote banks”, he said.

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The above RAMBLING by Vinay is pure SEWAGE, that you expect from a raw sewage caste.
I can go on and on , TRAMPLING each and every PHONY REACTIONARY ARGUMENT.
I neither have the time nor the inclination to write WHY PAEDOHILIA IS VILE.
I do not have the book INDIA ,A PORTRAIT OF BILLION PEOPLE ,by Patrick french right here with me.
There is a line if I can recall properly
“a whiteracist’s prejudice towardsthe negro may have at its basis the underlying envy about the PHYSICAL PROWESS of the negro. An anglosaxon may envy the business and financial acumen of a jew , BUT THE NOTION THAT IF YOU TOUCH A DALIT , YOU WILL BE DEFILED , AND EVEN GROTESQUE , YOU WILL BE BORN AS AN ANIMAL.

ashish , a blogger , well known in this blog once posted a link to an UK magazine ECONOMIST.
The article was about changes in a UP village. What he was not aware , in his enthusiasm to prove how india is changing , is that article also wrote something THAT WILL MAKE ANY ONE WITH CONSCIENCE HANG HIS HEAD IN SHAME.
It was about the custom in that village where BRAMHINS would assemble around dalit homes in the night , and dalits will have to BE SILENT WITNESS and drown their sorrow in tears , seeing BRAMHINS expressing their carnal fith on the dalit married women folks.
ALSO THIS SAME CASTE SYSTEM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 40% of SOUTH ASIA (pre partition India)
converting to islam.
THIS IS SWAMI VIVEKANANDA ,WHO KNEW A WORD OR TWO MORE THAN VINAY
Just see, for want of sympathy from the Hindus, thousands of pariahs in Madras are turning Christians. Don’t think that this is simply due to the pinch of hunger; it is because they do not get any sympathy from us. We are day and night calling out to them “Don’t touch us! Don’t touch us!” Is there any compassion or kindliness of heart in the country? Only a class of “Don’t-touchists” ; kick such customs out! I sometimes feel the urge to break the barriers of “Don’t-touchism”, go at once and call out, “Come all who are poor, miserable, wretched and downtrodden”, and to bring them all together. Unless they rise, the Mother will not awake.

Each Hindu, I say, is a brother to every other, and it is we, who have degraded them by our outcry, “Don’t touch”, “Don’t touch!” And so the whole country has been plunged to the utmost depths of meanness, cowardice and ignorance. These men have to be lifted; words of hope and faith have to be proclaimed to them. We have to tell them, “You are also men like us and you have all the rights that we have.”

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One day, during lessons onproper grammar, the teacher asked for a show of hands from those who could use the word ‘beautiful’ in the same sentence twice..

First, she called on little Suzie, who responded with, ‘My father bought my mother a beautiful dress and she looked beautiful in it.’

‘Very good, Suzie,’ replied the teacher.. She then called on little Michael.

‘My mummy planned a beautiful banquet and it turned out beautifully.’

She said, ‘Excellent, Michael!’ Then the teacher reluctantly called on little RALPHY.

‘Last night at the dinner table, my sister told my father that she was pregnant, and he said ‘Beautiful, just ******’ beautiful!”

Little RALPHY was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another. After the 6th one a man on the bench across from him said, ‘Son, you know eating all that candy isn’t good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat.’

Little RALPHY replied, ‘My grandfather lived to be 107 years old.’

The man asked, ‘Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time?’
Little RALPHY answered, ‘No, he minded his own ******’ business.

sorry guys, cut and paste job. could not resist, felt situation is somewhat similar here.

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@ Pankaj

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~~ DIGVINASH DAMNS ANNA, KISSES AND MOOCHES AMAR SINGH DALHA & curses Chidu ~~
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Khoob jam-me ga rang
Jab mil jayenge teen yaar sang

Amar Singh Dhala, Digvinash and Amul baby

just watched headlines today. Digvinash Singh the guru under which India’s top Dahla, Amar Singh dahla took tutelage was given a character certificate by Digviansh himself. He is innocent, cried Digviansh, almost equating Amar Singh Dhala with Gandhi.

Dhikkar hai COngress par…

Digivansh also castigated Chidamabaram, revealing the fight going on inside.

But most of all he called ANNA an RSS stooge….

Wah Congress wah… chori ki toh had ho gayi… . Call all whistel blowers as thieves and have orgies with aMAR Singh Dahla and gang…

Of course, Digviansh ISngh dahla caleed Rahul Amul baby as God’s gift to India.

So moral of the story.

In 2014, int he Shamshan ghat where the Congress chita will be burnt, three fools, Digiviansh SIngh, Amar Singh Dahala and Rahul Amul baby would be dancing like ghosts…

~~~ ha aha ha HA HA ~

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Shan;
You asked me very provocatingly, whether I will consent to marriage of my daughter to a Negro or some thing to that effect and I said, she is mature, I trust in her, and will accept her decision. You have no idea, how much water has flown down the Thames. You are, it seems, still living in times at least 50 years back, if not 100 years. Despite, lot of reservations, I still interact with you, as I perceive, there is a grain of truth, in what you are saying. Your way of communication is grossly defective, and you are not ready to accept it.I would always sift chaff from the grain, who so ever write it.

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Dr Mishra

A couple of days ago Bank of America announced they will lay off 40,000 employees. A middle aged , tired CEO, Brian Moynihan appeared on TV announcing this.

Then the business/finance channel covering this talked about what is happening in the banking sector in India. They showed a beaming Mrs Chanda Kochar, the CEO of ICICI, in a blue sari, wearing traditional jewellery, announcing ICICI will be hiring 9000 new employees this year to accommodate their growth!

And then they showed how women have “taken over” Indian finance/banking. There were many women (at Morgan Stanley, HSBC etc) they portrayed; but two stand out – either ex or current Number 2s in the Reserve Bank of India, Mrs Shyamala Gopinathan and Mrs Usha Tharot.

I should say, like you, I was proud! .

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@ Pankaj and Dr mishra

Dont give too much attention to a fool who worships white bottoms and would be loved to be whipped by them. He suffers from an attention seeking syndrome.

as far as caste goes, it shames all of us. The solution is emerging and I think in another 10-15 years it should disappear. The problem now is really about poor vs rich, mostly.

Democracy and not rhetoric gives the possibility of one man one vote which results in equality. more casteism Lalu or Kanshi ram style is only backward thinking. Ultimately education for all which preaches a strong anti-casteist ideology is central to it…

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Binoy I agree with you about people on blog quoting repeatedly P French as if he were e=mc2. Well said.
Having proved that all religions and races all over the world have raped and plundered, some more than others, and that ALL castes in India have raped and brutalised others ( including many dalit militants), I wish to demolish one final point and then withdraw from this infantile debate.

It has been said above- that brahmins and other forward castes did nothing to acknowledge and correct historical injustices. This statement is breathtaking in its ignorance.

From Raja Ram Mohan Roy, to Tagore, to Gandhi, Ishwar Chand Vidyasagar, to Nehru, to Indira and Rajiv, to Sardar Patel and Mamta Bannerjee- there is a very rich tradition in India of forward castes doing their utmost to correct historical injustices.
Using vulgar language to attack forward castes achieves nothing, is intellectually vacuous and divisive

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Just a few random “take it or leave it” thoughts, before I take a leave again. (I am scared of addictions).

1> ‘What’s there in a name’ ?
When I first wrote something in this blog (how long ago I have forgotten), I used a fake name and id. Later wanted to change it to original. But strangely the posts were not getting accepted with the new id. Got stuck with the old ones. Now don’t want to change it. These names have induced some kind of familiarity. I see people struggling to retain that identity in this obscure world. Pankaj has to stick a number, Ashish came with a gravitar, to protect a name which was not his.
I frankly don’t want to Ram Autar/Tajender to change his name. If I just see that name, I know what to expect from those postings. If another character gets introduced in this play, I would get confused; I don’t know what to predict. I have argued with Ravi many a times. Yes, I would like to comment on the constraint he shows when someone disrespected Sikh;, it not the same when someone disrespects Islam. These arguments will remain the same irrespective of whether he is a liberal Hindu/Sikh or a Pakistani. My arguments are with his opinions, not with himself. What is there in fighting to know someones identity, which could be faked with the very next post? It would have been nice, if people had stopped using Jehadi, ISI agent etc.

2>Hope this blog does not need gangs:
It feels nice to be appreciated about what we write. But when I am attacking someone, if someone else joins and appreciate my words, I doubt whether it will be viewed as appreciation or bullying. Discussing issues rather than a person (usually it is Shan or Ravi, recently Shenoy) might help cooling down the atmosphere.

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Even when kapil’s team had lifted the world cup in 1983, many Indians still had not gained enough confidence to confront the whites as equals. Either we were ashamed of our less than satisfactry English, (which was better than the Hindi whites spoke) or were ashamed of the poverty and beggers on Indian roads.

Even on the Sports field, despite having some good players, we would lose the battle fo nerves, especially when goras would start sledging… or their press got too bitchy.

Saurav ganguly was one huge step for Indian swabhimaan !

He made Steve wauigh wait in the field, using the same tactics the foul mouthed Australians use on others. Nirad chaudharies of India would have died in shame… on how a brown had insulted a gora…

Saurav took of his shirt at the Lords during the Nat west, unnerving the bitchy British press. A Nirodh chaudhary woudl have cried… that a great british traditionan and the anglo sacxon queen had been insulted by a brown native…

Saurav had no time for being polite to the racist British sprts correspondents, who ultimately came around to admiring him for his leadership. A Nirdh coudhary would have taken off his shorts and bent down to please the gora press….

yes Saurav was the big thing in India’s swabhimaan endevour…

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Understanding SHAN

The fire of abuse towards SHAN that has now been raging here for months, was ignited in Zia’s blog but has burst into flames here.

The queue of those who are prepared to take a pot shot at him is growing at the same rate as the arrival of new bloggers. Sadly no one, with the exception of one person (not me), has tried to understand him, before they have joined in his fruitless abuse.

Shan needs to be understood, rather than abused. Key to understanding him has to include the following:

1. European Civilization – is very rich in terms of Music, Art, Architecture, Writing, Performing arts and many many other things. Furthermore, it is easily accessible to any one, rich or poor, who wants it. Young Indians, just like SHAN when they first arrive at the shores of the UK are confronted with these priceless riches. How each one of us deals with this bonanza is something that not only interests him, it also defines him.

His view is that many Indian’s submerge themselves within existing Indian concentrations and start to live Indian lives in England. Well ok almost. His view is that such Indians are missing out on a great opportunity. So what is that Opportunity. It is an opportunity to jettison all that he sees as bad with the Indian society, such as the Caste System, mindless religious rituals and enjoy, not only free (as opposed to conformist) thought but also Europe’s glorious past. Not doing that, in his view is a sin.

2. Indian History and Civilization There is no doubt in any one’s mind that there exists in India both ancient and modern literature written by Indian scholars which provides one with soul satisfying insight into our own history and culture. Equally, one has to remember that recently political interference has prompted un-sustainable and flawed interpretations of our History.

In contrast, reading about India in books that have been authored by Europeans has two effects. Firstly, one gets a warm feeling that this is an unbiased piece of work and that it is a huge complement to my motherland. It engenders in ones self a sense of pride. Quoting these learned treatises is a means by which one can counter the political biases which exist within Indian originated literature of the same ilk.

When Shan quotes from these works, he does so to demonstrate that he has freed himself from the kind of prejudice that he believes B. V. Shenoy is riddled with.

It is not white worshipping.

3. Rational Humanist – when ever any one has asked Shan as to who he is, he comes out with these two words. It is my belief that these two words suggest his intent rather than describe his thinking. However, he makes greater attempt at approaching important topics on rational and humanist basis, than the rest of us do. He believes that since Bengalis were the first to adopt this European rationalist way of thinking in contrast to the rest of India, which stuck itself to devotional, and uncritical thinking. His aspiration is, where Bengal has led the rest of India should follow.

4.Abuse The more one abuses him, the more he retaliates. Why do we abuse him, because we are frustrated that he favours rationalism over easy jingoism.

Best way to deal with Shan is to attempt at trying to UNDERSTAND the point he is trying to make. If it is not always clear, then he is only too pleased to answer respectful questions to amplify and de-construct the point he was attempting to make.

Abuse will not work; it will consume this blog before any of us will be able to defeat him. I quit attempting a few months ago.

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Dr Mishra-

Another super performance from Amma-