Anna, a John Doe 2011?



The 1941 Frank Capra classic Meet John Doe had hit the celluloid about four years after Anna Hazare was born. Its Bollywood remake Mein Azaad Hoon came amid the Bofors gun campaign against Rajiv Gandhi in the late 1980s.

The media’s role in the creation of the Anna phenomenon bears striking resemblance with Capra’s and our own Javed Akhtar’s story of an “opportunistic” journalist who seeks to save her job by creating a fictitious “grassroots crusader” threatening suicide on Christmas-eve against the society’s ills.

And when a rival newspaper begins suspecting foul play aimed at boosting readership, the journalist gets a poor, unemployed man to enact the character, ghost writing for him a series of articles to mobilize popular support.

As Doe’s words start shaping a country-wide movement, the newspaper’s owner attempts using it to push his own political ambitions. That’s where Doe who had started believing in what was propagated in his name, realizes that he was being used.

My purpose of recalling Capra’s original plot and Gary Cooper and Amitabh Bachchan’s portrayals of John Doe, isn’t the least to denigrate Anna or the issue of corruption he has so tellingly raised. The objective is to study the impulse behind the saturation coverage his campaign is getting in the print and electronic media.

It cannot merely be competitive journalism or a race for higher TRPs and readership that guides the hype over Anna’s anshan. There is to the unfolding scenario a very clear, very tangible corporate touch.

The minds that have built the ageing Gandhian into an anti-graft icon might have been aided by the government’s intellectual and moral bankruptcy. But they wouldn’t have succeeded without live coverage across TV channels of everything that “Team Anna” does, from daily press conferences to speeches replete with repetitive anti-government rhetoric.

A veritable media rat-race for a byte or an interview has seen Arvind Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan and Kiran Bedi studio hopping for days on end. While Anna fasts, they talk, incessantly, without educating really on the virtues and the constitutionality of their Jan Lokpal Bill.

They’re getting away largely because the moral high ground is with them. The government’s speaking from a position of weakness. That doesn’t answer however the moot question: who’s behind this media blitzkrieg and with what purpose? Is it a convergence of corporate interests or political forces or both?

If parliamentary democracy weakens, the loser will be the political class and the gainer the big business. People once again will be short-changed, Lokpal or not.

It’s imperative therefore that the movement led by Anna does not fall prey to any corporate or power game built on pious symbols of our freedom movement.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    It can be a ‘play’..or need not be..

    May be for once, they want to be on the right side of history..or they know the power of markets and audience…If few channels air it continuously, show the people all over the country marching for this cause, it will be foolish and suicidal for other channels not to show…

    So, there may not be any grand themes… Kiran and arvind etc are running from station to station because that is where they are communicating to masses — contrary to whatever Vinod may say

    And comparison tpo john Doe is silly…on one side Vinod wants to ridicule the movement..on the other side he wants to be safe too—what if???/ That is the sad story of our journalists..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod

    I thinik it should be 4 yrs after Anna was born…

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    You are right.Got the math wrong :) )

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    It is history, actually, that you got wrong, as usual.

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  • vijay kumar

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    ~~ :D :D ~ WOH KARE TOH SAALA— CORPORATE GAME HAI !! ~~~ :D :D ~~~~~~~~~~
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    Vinod Sharma ji, you are missing the point totally. The aam aadmi is absolutely sick of the pandemic corruption in all walks of life. He is on the road wanting a solution and punishment to the corrupt.

    Now to say that all of this is a corporate plot… well is more of a story spun by Digviansh and the Manish Tewari team who are hiding in a doghouse right now !! :D

    I know you are hinting at the TIMES NOW channel and the Times group which has taken the lead. But remembere even NDTV, Headlines Today and CNN-IBN too have followed suit. All are playing it both ways. Use Congress propoganda for demeaning Anna. But in case he wins… paint it as their own campaign against corruption.

    TRP rating se maal bataro aur ladoo dono haath se khao !! :D

    Let me again se the only way Anna can fail is in case he gets Rahul into the picture and says that this bill is due to Rahul Gandhi.

    And by the way Vindoji, remember my prophecy one year back . That your pal Mani Silencer AIyar will ultimately cause the fall of the COngress. Was he not the guy who started the stroies of 70,000 crores looted??/ :D :D

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    Rakesh Reply:

    Well said.

    It seems Anna wants Rahul Gadhi or PMO to negotiate. Our aim shud be to have the right bill passed and we will see who the history gives credit for this.

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    O P Ojha Reply:

    If the Govt. says that they wants to talk only with ANNA and not with anyone from TEAM ANNA, I don’t see any mischief in ANNA’s call for meeting with Rahul Gandhi and/or PMO. However, it is also media concocted story.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Remember Shashi Tharoor? He was denied entry by Lalit Modi in the IPL – and now see where Lalit is. Mani S Aiyer was booted out of the cabinet, and now the cabinet is on very shaky grounds indeed. Moral of the story: Never slight a Malayali Brahmin – you never know how and where he would hit back and get your goat. After much inaction and then coaxed into action by the Supreme Court, Congress have started looking for conspiracy theories. Publicity seekers like Kejriwal, Kiran bedi and co are riding high on Anna’s lower-middle class antics. Corruption is undoubtedly a big issue, but it is high time the media start down-playing the Anshan of Anna and the antics of his group. It will never help constitutional democracy and neither would it help any politician worth his/her salt.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Abu

    Are you serious on that theory about Malayali Brahmin ?

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    O P Ojha Reply:

    Constitutional Democracy is strngthened by the success of mass movement and weakened by supression of people’s voice by Govt.

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    rajmohan Reply:

    Shashi Tharoor is not a brahmin and Mani Shankar is a Tamil brahmin!

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    Ashish Reply:

    Well, Mani is a Palghat Iyer- which means that his family would trace its ancestry to Kerala; right Gopi?

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Don’t read any agenda behind it please. Just found the comparison too irresistible not to write about.

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  • Rakesh

    I think somehow Vinod is not able openly side with congress due to great public sentiment for Anna. Rightly said that he wants to be safe while denouncing the movement. Anna has done it 100 time before and he can be taken for ride by media. If anythig I will say he is using media more effectively.

    There will be no effective lokepal bill without this pressure. Anna’s bill may not be 100% workable but the bill that government presented showed their intentions towards crruption.

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  • Ganesh S

    I just heard the interview with Salman Khurshid – a lucid presentation of government efforts so far minus the needless theatrics ( a la Kapil Sibbal) and I must say two things – with Anna agreeing to keep judiciary out and with Congress not really averse to keep PM within the loop now the only issue is whether CBI anti corruption wing needs to come within the purview of Lok Pal.There is no one from government side so clearly spelling out what they did and what they will do.Second thing was – in spite of Salman Khurshid stretching himself the most to be understood,the TV anchor kept ignoring his points and kept mouthing Team Anna stand.Now why was he doing that ? TRP ratings of course.I came to know today that media corruption and NGO corruption are outside the purview of Jan Lok Pal.WHY ?Because Kejdiwals and Bedis want us to believe that all NGO s all clean angels and all those in the government are devils.Worse,they are thrusting this line with media playing along and this disturbing symphony is all over the place drowning reason.Now,both bills have strong points and both bills have weak points.Why cant Team Anna and government thrash it out ? So far,government seems to have done all the calisthenics ( quite unlike any government ) to reach out and appear reasonable while Team Anna have been selling us a dream whose fine print – no one knows how it will play out.And if any one argues for some sanity or reason he is branded anti national traitor and a Congress agent.They say fast is also an opportunity to introspect.Anna should begin introspecting if he has allowed himself to become a classic case of ventriloquism.We need people with vision like Anna.We can surely do without those in Team Anna who have agendas but no vision.

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    shan Reply:

    @ganesh , IF NGO’S AND MEDIA IS LEFT OUT , it shows that TEAM ANNA’S REAL MOTIVE
    POWER AND NOT SERVING GOOD INTEREST OF PEOPLE

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    manujsk Reply:

    Ridiculous. Has the govt included them in their bill? It shows your bias, which, of course, is of no use. Lets give the government credit where its due- they tried to sabotage the whole thing. Failed. Tried harder. Failed again. Quickly turned around, and started to reach out to other political parties. Failed again. Finally, has started using mediators to reach out to Anna. Again. Lets see if they have seen some sense, or do they want to repeat the cycle again.

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  • shan

    @vinod Sharma, Few things are clear as a daylight. Congress has been pushed to the wall and most likely will lose the election . The best strategy for BJP IS TO LET IT LINGER ON , so that it can reap the harvest.
    The best strategy for Congress is to let anna bill go through WORD FOR WORD,after that ANNA WILL BE LOST IN OBLIVION. I cannot understand this intransigence , a good political move WOULD BE TO take the wind out of the sail from anna .
    I mean what great deal will happen , okay so there will be a lokpal , so what is he going to do SUMMON PEOPLE , PASS JUDGEMENT AND THEN SHOOT/JAIL THEM .
    I mean whatever PAL OR BAL or NAL comes the CASES OF CORRUPTION HAS GOT TO PROVEN IN THE COURT OF LAW , NOT IN THE RAMLILA MAIDAN.

    I am not surprised the ex HAWALDAR /JAMADAR of Indian Army will DO EVERYTHING TO HOG THE LIMELIGHT, with sidekicks bhushan , bedi etal.

    THIS IS LALU/MULAYAM STANDARD OF POLITICS , OR STREET POLITICS TO BE PRECISE

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    Rakesh Reply:

    You are speaking MAnish Tewari’s language who has gone undergorund. Also you questioning intelligence of lacs and lacs of people who without any mobilizationb are supporting him. Ex Hawaldar has made the greatest economist and gandhi pariwaar eat humble pie. Also he has beaten them in every move.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    shan–

    are u implying that an ex hawaldar is a lesser person–

    that he wants lime light in the waning years of his life — a life built on vivekananda teachings…something he took upon when he escaped a pakistani attack in the second indo/pak war…

    many are surprised about how this man was able to garner this support — it has everything to do with the times we live in, the aspirations of youngsters, the yearning for a “clean” leader, the failure of systems and institutions, the helplessness of many, the grand thefts that came out (and how many that may not have come out, after all 2G came out not because of any govt investigation, but because of Joseph’s journalism)…

    A change for good will happen.. Question is whether it will be peripheral or broader… Youngsters will lose interest in govt and political service if the change is just marginal; and if it is business as usual

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Yes, you should be surprised how so much support for Anna is there on the street.

    This is not the first time Anna has gone on fast. How often have you heard of his fast?

    Then there must be something special about this time, right ?

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    manujsk Reply:

    Its simple. All this while, he stayed in local/state issues. You might be surprised instead, that he is indeed well known in Maharashtra. This is the first time he has been on a national issue. Doubting Toms will eat humble pie, one day!

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Manjusk

    Who is the organisational man in Anna’s team ?

    Kejriwal / Bedi / Shanti Bhushan ?

    Who gets all the things ready on time perfectly across the country ?

    manujsk Reply:

    You are probably forgeting that an organisation called IAC is there. Also, what precisely are the arrangements you are talking about, except some basic amenities that the local authorities are providing? I dont think there’s much of organisation really required. The old man would have gone ahead, as he has done other times, without any publicity. He is not because of media, rather the media is there because of him.. Please appreciate this

    Prabhat Reply:

    @manjusk

    When you see a campaign and logistics arrangement, you can make out if there is a professional hand behind it or not.

    manujsk Reply:

    You prob didnt read my answer well. IAC is India Against Corruption, an NGO organising this all. Not an individual like Kejriwal whom you detest to core..

    harjit Reply:

    Why do you want to demean an ex army man? He has done enough in the past to fight corruption and the government has given him both a padma shree and a padma bushan. Now that he is fighting corrupt politicians and others, stories of conspiracy are being spread by people who have made money in the corrupt system. Others who criticize him are those who do not get to be asked for bribes. The media people never have to pay……..they are all well connected. But ask the ordinary man in the streets. There is no escape for him. From all sorts of certificates, to liciences or rations, he has to pay bribes. That is why the outpouring in the streets. Kindly see it for what it is. Its years of frustration in a corrupt system. Sure, Annas movement will not set the house in order in one go. It is not a silver bullet, but at least it is a beginning. The government now asks for another four months. What were they doing for the last 42 years? Have you ever seen how arrogant Sibal, Chidambram and Manish Tewari are on TV. They believe that the middle class can’t do much. It is time to put them in their place and show them that the middle class, when determined, can bring about change. God forbid if anything happens to Anna. The Govt must climb down from their high horse. As for the media, the print media is now calling them leftists and other names. They are getting it wrong. It is a movement of tired and frustrated Indians who want an end to corruption.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Is this the new Conspiracy theory ?
    First the RSS / BJP , then US , now Indian Corporates ? And this one is more baffling . Pray , which Corporates? The beneficiaries of 2G , CWG, KG Basin,? Or those who lost out to them at that time ? Or those whose Businesses have nothing to do with those events ? Or those whose Businesses are not dependent on Govt Policy at all ? Who and for what gains ?
    Or is the rise of a new Icon, Phoenix like, that is becoming so difficult to accept ? After all the country has known only one “Mai Baap” . The “Mai Baap” who distribute largesse to those who serve them and frowns on those who do not stand at their doorstep.
    “Weakening of Parliamentary Democracy” has now become such a boring cliche , as if the entire Political class is opposed to Anna’s Campain for the Eradication of Corruption?
    This suggestion of a New Conspiracy is not surprising, because we know the Staus Quoists shall fight back with all their might, and should be seen in the same light as Imam Bukhari imploring Muslims to stay away , or Somnath Chateerjea coming to defence of Manmohan Singh or even Cotton dhoti clad Mamta’s silence .

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Praveen

    More than anybody else, Somnath Chatterjee knows more about the Parliament and MP’s.

    Mamta has clearly stated her preference of going with the Govt.’s decision.

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  • Prabhat

    I think the Govt. should hold out for a little longer. Then slowly a clearer picture will emerge. People will slowly come to know details about the difference between two drafts.

    Now, it’s just a war of “my blue vs. their blue”. Whose shade is better ?

    Now the media is excited about the Anna phenomenon. Slowly they will wake up to the real issue. They will start discussing the issues between 2 versions. And opinion makers from all walks of life will join in.

    Things can take interesting turn unless the Govt. caves in.

    It’s just a mind game , now.

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    Rakesh Reply:

    You call it a mind game. A 73 year Gandhian is fasting for last 7 days to play a mind game. You are belittling the entire movement. Have you read the govt draft. it is so weak that they should better have not presented a lokpal bill. We should make Govt cave in and create a effective lokpal bill.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rakesh

    Anna is just a face for a particular version of LokPal Bill. His insistence is to accept Jan LokPal Bill as it is drafted by Kejriwal and Bhushans.

    Let’s be clear about that first. Be clear about Anna’s demands.

    Anna’s fasting is for his version of LokPal Bill is to be accepted. Nothing else.

    There can never be a movement to force “one version” of the draft.

    When the Govt. invites people’s opinion, Anna’s team calls it sheer wastage of time. That’s what I find very disturbing.

    Rakesh, Do you have an opinion on the bill ? Send your opinion to the Parliament Standing Committee. But chances are Anna’s team will rubbish your opinion too. They will ridicule you and call all sorts of names if you dare to give your own opinion.

    Try that . Carry a version different from Anna’s and Govt’s to Anna’s team and check out their reaction yourself.

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    Rakesh Reply:

    Prabhat, before I say anything on Anna’s stand on Lokpal bill, what is your take on government lokpal bill, do u think they are serious about it or they would have been serious abt it without this movement.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rakesh

    The proposed draft was being worked out at NAC under the supervision of Aruna Roy.

    Kejriwal, Bhushans and Hegde were all part of the process.

    The team broke away when the difference of opinion came about including PM and CJI under LokPal. Those 2 points of difference are still there even after so much of unrest.

    You had RTI from UPA through similar interface at NAC.

    You have seen how neatly it was passed and how effective it has been.

    NAC has been playing proactive role in forming these draft notes for various bills in consultation with the civil society. So there was no reason to doubt the Govt.’s sincerity about pushing Lok Pal Bill.

    Infact, it could have been much smoother affair had it come through NAC.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rakesh

    For your information, when RTI Bill was submitted to the Parliamentary Standing Committee, more than 150 amendments were made. So we must have faith in the parliamentary system.

    manujsk Reply:

    Whether Anna rubishes my suggestion on the bill or not, I am dead sure the Standing Committee for sure will. For sure, I bet. You on?

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    prabhat

    “cave in” is a bad term.. people have expressed their desires.. hopefully both shades of blue will merge… but we should not view this as a sport/who will blink first…

    The gov has been totally clueless — they just do not deserve to be ruling, plain and simple, for grossly underestimating the mood of the country.. And over the top of that if theya re worried about “caving in”, lord help our country…

    What type of a parliamentary superiority we expect If 225 members of the parliament are involved in some criminal proceedings.. How can we say those criminals represent our interest better?

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    shan Reply:

    @Gopi Thomas WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT EGYPT/SYRIA STYLE MOVEMENT IN INDIA , thank you , AND WE DO NOT EJECT ELECTED PARLIAMENT JUST BY NAAREY BAJI IN RAMLILA MAIDAN.
    If it comes to that I will advice Mamata to Seccede from the union .
    If you beleive in DEMOCRACY you got play by it rules NOT INVENT RULES TO SUIT YOU

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    manujsk Reply:

    The same old lame democracy argument. “We the people” define the democracy. rest all is incidental. This party, that party. This leader, that leader. Advising to secede is one thing. Getting 10% of Bengal behind you is quite another, unless you assume that masses have no brain. Such condescending views only bite dust..Hypothetical is for blogs and comments, followers is for real leaders. If anyone in the political class has such an standing as Anna today, they should challenge Anna. Man to Manmohan. The answer will be clear. Have we committed a crime by voting? Then why are we made to suffer? What kind of reasoning is this. Since you voted in 2009, suffer till 2014. Thou shalt have no say, come what may.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Today Anna’s team has sent feelers that they are willing to exclude higher judiciary.

    Earlier Shanti Bhushan said they were willing to exclude PM from the bill if the Govt. accepted all other demands.

    Isn’t a barter ?

    Things changed just after 4-5 days as the Govt. did not come running for a compromise ?

    Is it really a principled fight ?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    prabhat

    “fight”, “barter” “demands” etc are wrong words….I know both parties use these words..

    There is a need.. Govt ha s been ignoring for decades.. Time to act.. hopefully, as you said, both “blues” will be merged… something that can be implemented will be worked out..

    By accepting Anna’s requirements, Congress is not losing; either Anna is winning; Indians will come out better.. That is all what matters at the end of the day..

    I am glad that youngsters are involved, because the way politics was going in this country for a while was oldies and more oldies running the same way it has been…It is always great to see people engaging in rightful stuff…

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I know you are uncomfortable with these words. But they are facts.

    It all started with when there was a hesitation about including PM under this bill. Anna’s team developed suspicion as if the efforts were being made to protect Congress Prime Ministers. Even here some bloggers had pointed out that.

    Atleast Anna’s team has started to believe that the objection was not about a particular PM, but the office of the Prime Minister.

    It’s not Anna’s requirements. Like many you too are using an unusual lingo. It’s not about Anna. It has to be what is right for the country.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    And after the government wins… should we then say

    Jai Lalu… Jai Amar Dalal… thum he neta ho
    Jai Raja, Jai Saitsh… thum paise ke vikreta ho !!

    Ahemd Patel thumhar kaal dhan …
    Ban gaya imaan ka kafan….

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    Rakesh Reply:

    In the current of lokpal bill government can make Lalu/Mulayam/Sharad pawar Lokpal to keep them happy as part of limitation of colition politics:-)…

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  • shan

    @Prabhat , THIS IS MOB PSYCHOLOGY , in bengalee there is a word for it called HUJUK, there is no equivalence in english or hindi.
    I mean what do they want ANNA AS PRESIDENT , BEDI NEXT INDIRA GANDHI , KEJRIWAL FINANCE MINISTER AND BHUSHAN LAW MINISTER,
    No ELECTIONS FOR TEN YRS

    Sounds like pakistan , isn’t it

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    Rakesh Reply:

    This is definitely a very poor conclusion drawn. This is also very discplined movement. Mobs are difficult to control but this is not the case here. I am sure Gandhihji will be bombarded weith similar comparision when he was trying to achieve a dificult goal. You can not dismiss it by saying it is MOB PSHYCOLOGY IN CAPITAL.

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    manujsk Reply:

    Still better than Raja as telecom minsiter, kalmadi as sports, etc. etc…No, I know what kind of people vote these people in. I mean, how jaundiced can one be in supporting Raja/Kalmadi/Kanimozhi and opposing Kiran Bedi/Kejriwal. Can you, Shan, point anything against these people before they started supporting Anna, assuming that is the lone crime? Please reel out and enlighten us. You are allowed to google, just use verifiable sources.

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  • vijay kumar

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    HOw can anybody laugh at a Hawaldar??

    The Hawaldar is the guy who faces the first enmy bullet in the Army, defending, we the people in civilian life. In Anna’s case he got a bullet wound on his forehead.

    And now he is fasting to remove corrutpion from the Nation’s life. Rather than make fun of him, people who take subsidised medical/professional education in India, money for which is paid by the poor and then choose to serve the British hawaldars and jamadars should worship him :D

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    shan Reply:

    Structural engineers should stop taking backhanders and giving certificates to building than crocodile tears for Anna,. Also Fighting war is one thing fighting malaria is another , wouldn’t use the same armamentarium. Hawaldar may be right person in battle field but not the right person for INTELLECTUAL DEBATE, this is known as division of labour

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    Anna was a soldier. But that was long time back.

    He has done wonders for his village by helping people with agriculture, irrigations etc.

    Anna is definitely a social activist.

    But many a time his actions are a bit autistic. He gets carried away with a single agenda.

    I have mixed feeling for him. He should understand very clearly that if he could allow corruption in his small trust ( Rs. 2 lakh trust money was spent to celebrate his birthday) , then corruption can happen anywhere in this country. But one good thing will come out of this. The political class will be conscious of the corruption. Though the excited mass will forget about it soon.

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    shan Reply:

    @prabhat , others bloggers have a different view. apparently his work in his village is OVER HYPED, and may have political tutelage at its core. Anyway the point is to lead a country as complex as india you need something more than a dim but nice guy.

    manujsk Reply:

    And you think Amar Singh and lalu are the right intellectuals in the Standing Committee? What are you on these days? Seems like you have developed some kind of philia for the Indian politicos :) You seriously should reconsider your options..

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  • amet

    dear vinod,
    1.Nobody is tryin 2 weaken d parliament..we jst want PARTICIPATIVE DEMOCRACY not d REPRESENTATIVE democracy.

    2.”While Anna fasts, they talk, incessantly, without educating…of their Jan Lokpal Bill”
    R U NUTS??..u r quite ILL-INFORMED..or u BEGRUDGE dem!!
    team anna is movin from pillar to post educating us bout d lokpal pal bill!!..in his each interview, Arvind candidly expounded d differences b/w govt nd jan lokpal bill!!( u ears mite not be supporting u..be careful!)

    3. pls focus ur blogs on CORRUPTION related issues..or u try to propose an alternative soln..
    else dont waste ur time and our time 2!!…u r NOT AT ALL HELPING US BY WRITING DIS ****!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @amet
    They started holding classes at Ramlila Maidan only the other day to educate the crowd about their version of the Bill. Be that as it may, talks should starlt without delay to get the best of both the bills and the one suggested by Arun Roy’s group.

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    manujsk Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma You are knowingly engaging in falsehood. On a scale of 1-10, Anna’s team would get a 5, while the govt would get 0 on educating about the bill. Whatever people know abt the govt bill is just bcos Anna’s team is bringing it out in their debate. What precisely is your problem I dont know, but lets atleast agree to be honest..

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  • vijay kumar

    COmopounders should stop prete4nding they are doctors :D

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    shan Reply:

    It is some compounder whose titles will take you more than a few minutes to read , and who is happy to comment on mitochondrial DNA as he is to comment on MARLOWE.

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  • ramesh

    MR VINOD SHARMA TO EXPECT ANY THOUGHTPROVOKING ANALYSIS FROM YOUR PEN WAS NEVER EXPECTED BUT TO MAKE SUCH COMPARISON IS TOTALLY ABSURD.
    IN A NATION WHERE JOURNALIST BECOME SPOKESPERSON O F RULING PARTY ,NOTHING BETTER CAN BE EXPECTED.
    MR SHARMA AT THE *** END OF YOUR CAREER ,SERVE YOUR CONSCIOUS FOR HEAVEN’S SAKE.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ramesh
    Your comments amount to a hate mail. Don’t forget that the debate is all about the conflict of ideas. You reject mine and I reject yours. So let us be tolerant.

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    ramesh Reply:

    SHARMA JI, MY MAIL WAS ONLY TO AROUSE YOUR CONSCIOUS.IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE HATE MAIL.I BELIEVE AS A MAN GROW OLDER ,HE BECOMES OLD ENOUGH TO CONSIDER MATTER IN ENTIRETY, NOT FROM ANY PARTISAN CONSIDERATION.
    YOU MAY RECALL, DURING DEGAULLE’S PRESIDENCY,THERE WAS A SIEGE OF PARIS FOR THREE MONTHS AGAINST DEGAULLE’S APPROACH.
    THE GREAT GENERAL CALLED FOR REFERENDUM AND INSISTED HE WILL BECOME HEAD ONLY IF GIVEN DICTATORIAL POWERS.
    HE WAS REELECTED ON HIS TERMS.
    ANNA IS ONLY A CRUSADER.
    HE CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH DEGAULLE. OR WITH CHRACTERS YOU HAVE COMPARED.
    STILL ,THE FACT IS ,NATION HAS BECOME MORE AWARE AND IF WELL READ PERSONS LIKE YOU GO BEYOND SELF INTREST AND WRITE AS PER YOUR CONSCIOUS,IT WILL ADD TO THE MOVEMENT.
    MAY ,I KNOW YOU REALLY BELIEVE ,WHAT YOU ARE WRITING.
    AGAIN IFEEL BAD THAT MY RESPONSE WAS CONSIDERED HATE MAIL BY YOU.
    IF I HAVE CAUSED ANY HURT,I FEEL SORRY FOR IT.
    ,

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    ramesh Reply:

    MR SHARMA ,YOUR RESPONSE IS AWAITED.

  • vijay kumar

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    ~~ :D :D ~~ WHICH IS THE REAL CIVIL SOCIETY ? ~~~ :D :D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :D :D ~~~~~
    =============================================================================

    One of the big lies which the UPA has propogated is what is what civil society.

    Now when you use the words civil society, a normal person would believe that it would mean all the people who live in the country, especailly those not involved in politics.

    But…. the UPA and the supplicant media have given a new meanign to the word. Civil society in their lexicon is not the millions thronging at Anna’s protest fast; Not the crores who want corruption banished.

    Civil society in their dictionary is only the chosen four people selected by Sonia and her gang. And they are Aruna ROy and Harsh Mander. Only those who worship the Gandy parivar hegemony
    and dynastic succesion.

    Rest of us are the uncivil society.

    Including YOU, Prabhat :D :D :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Good, you raised the point.

    Is Anna’s team the civil society? Till now they have been harping themselves as the civil society !

    Put Aruna Roy and Anna on a platform to debate LokPal Bill, if you care.

    What you deride as Sonia and gang are the people who have been constantly working, researching and interfacing with people at the grassroot level while you and I have been most probably sniping at each other to win few brownies. You and I including the mass that you see suddenly realised there is more to life other than Mobile, Ipod and computer screen.

    While this demonstration is a week old, the civil society interface of UPA you so much love to hate has been there for a long time. Silently working without much ado about it.making

    Yes UPA discovered it for a good cause. To benefit us.

    Including YOU, Vijay !.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    I think you credit Sonai with more intelligence than she ever posessed ! She has only one agenda. To protect her husband’s name from a Swiss bank and Bofors enquiry and get her son to be the PM or at least the COngress president.

    The civil society you talk about is a joke !! :D

    Two or three people handpicked and then a selct coterie of loyalists selcted to fill the education and adminstrative slots. This is total chamcha and coterie raj !!

    Prabhat YOU are the real civil society . I am the civil society :D :D Not just some handpicked chamchas….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I have had many intelligent people working along with me for years. What actually made somebody stand out from the crowd is not so much his intelligence, but the willingness to do and succeed.

    Mark all my postings. I have never talked about Sonia’s intelligence. But always talked about her work ethics. Her willingness.

    Think for a moment. To maintain the legacy, she learnt everything that was alien to her ! The language, people, politics, mannerism and even learning to wear saree properly. And she did it in matter of few years. She did her preparation silently and diligently. And then when she hit the road, she conquered and how !

    That’s what I call the willingness to succeed.

    There is no parallel for sure.

    She brought Congress back to reckoning. She helped form two Governments. I guess she has done her bit for the party. It’s upto the party to take it further.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    I tink you are an enamoured fan!

    And there is no way I can convicne you except by saying

    Chashma uttaro
    Phir dekho yaaro
    Duniya wahi hai
    Kissa purana…. :D

    She may have the best of intentions in your eyes. For me it does not go beyond getting handpicked evil jokers like Digviansh into the drivers seat and getting her son into the tops seat….

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Just see how everybody is missing her at this juncture !

    And I am no enamoured fan. I talked about it since you raised the point.

    manujsk Reply:

    And whats the outcome/contribution of this so-called NAC led by Sonia? Please enlighten us. RTI- I think it s Arvind Kejriwal most associated with that. Then, what else? Right to Food? The govt is fighting against it? What else?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ manjusk

    Nobody has snatched the credit away from Kejriwal. But check out the versions how it went through various stages at NAC and then the Parliamentary committee. Same was with the LokPal Bill.

    If the Govt. has resisted and NAC persisted, then it shows the relevance of NAC as a credible agency interfacing the civil society. The fact that NAC has come up various drafts for different bills shows it is working relentlessly for the purpose it was set up and it’s just not an ornamental show piece.

    manujsk Reply:

    The problem is that NAC has restricted entry. It doesnt invoite opinion from outside the ring. Like you expect Kejriwal to listen to NAC, shouldn’t the NAC too listen to others. Have they put up anything for public debate yet. The NAC has had direct access to the govt, thanks to the Queen Bee. I dont consider NAC as my representative. May be Kejriwal too isnt, but he seems far more accessible.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    The big joke— turn coat Sanjay Nirupam — wearing a cap that he too is Anna– after seeing which side the country supports ! :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    He is a hard core politician in a classical sense.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The funny part is when this same Sanjay Nirupam was part of Shiv Sena, he was pulled up in Lok Sabha for his rowdy behavior. He was shunned as communal and hardly got any air time.

    Now that he is part of Congress, he is considered Staunch SECULARIST, polished and is invited for all kinds of debates on TV. Even in Lok Sabha, he is some how rehabilitated.

    These are strange ways of Indian politics…A hall mark of Banana republic.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    following on from last blog- MISHRAJI, a sociopath like Dr Shan feels your encounters are exagerated. Pl you dont worry, it is his jealousy.
    Do you have any photos- pl you send to balwindersandhu1936@yahoo.co.uk and copy Mr Vinod Sharma into it. Will neutral referees like Dr Pankaj, Prabhat and Mr Shenoy also leave their email IDs
    If true we will send printout to Dr Shan and ask him to plug his hole, which one we will leave to him

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    shan Reply:

    1936 , that makes you 75 ,no wonder you are going SENILE

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Balwinder,
    I find some of the stories from Dr.Mishra as fabricated. I am old enough to know when a person is bluffing.
    Dilliwallas are known to bluffmasters ..frankly speaking I find delhi-wallas protesting with Anna as big joke because most of the people in delhi have thuggish mentality. I am yet to meet any dilliwalla who is honest. Most of the time they lie and cheat..Auron ko topi pehnate rahtein hein.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I fail to understand how Sonia’s Civil Society also called NAC is acceptable to MIGHTY govt. and Parliament but people’s civil society (not all 100% people but far more than one Sonia and her family) is not acceptable.

    The Sonia’s civil society NAC is a medium to impose Sonia’s wish on present govt. This NAC serves two purposes-
    1. Imposes Sonia’s agenda on govt.
    2. Shields Sonia from criticism of interference and failure of govt. policy and policy implementation.

    India indeed is Banana republic but not because of Anna’s civil society but because it runs on whims and fancies of one woman and her 41 year old son.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev ,show some decency , that lady in all probability is not going to return to active politics .Also if indians elect BJP it is a vibrant democracy ,if it returns congress it is Bannana republic , STRANGE LOGIC

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Don’t give me this decency c*ap..by your logic, I should also respect Hitler and Mussolini because they are dead.
    I don’t believe in Indian garbage that says that you can’t criticize a person who is ailing or dead.
    I thought you would be the last person to give such advise.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Shan,

    This is realy strange comming from you. You have even critisized Mahatma Gandhi
    on this blog and now you dont want anyone to critisize Sonia because she is in
    hospital.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Be ready to be surprised. Not far from now, Shan will surprise everybody on this blog itself. How much I long to see his knowledgeable views accentuated by certain maturity and restraints !

    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat,

    I have always appreciated his vast knowledge on many subjects, but the problem
    is his arrogance and the language he uses sometimes.

    shan Reply:

    Guys ,have some proportion , somebody is ailing , Imean just leave her out till she returns from hospital, also if rajju bhaiya or mohan bhagwat gives advice its okay if sonia AN ELECTED MP , and congress presidnt advices , it is wrong, EVEN STRANGER LOGIC

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    By that logic, Gaddafi should immediately check into the hospital and rebels will stop advancing towards his bunker.

    As far as Sonia is concerned, there is lot of secrecy about her condition. She may not be sick after all. She must have gone abroad so that she is not blamed for Anna fiasco.

    This secrecy around her sickness causes lot of suspicion.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    “@rajeev ,show some decency , that lady in all probability is not going to return to active politics ”

    Want to bet on this….According to CONGRESS sources, She was operated on ;) and is doing well and will be back to GUIDE ;) the party soon.
    Just yesterday MMS was missing Sonia :)

    You being a rationalist should be able to see thru smokescreen.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, I being a surgeon of some experience and reach can tell you whoever goes to INTENSIVE CARE after surgery must have had a MAJOR SURGERY FOR MAJOR ILLNESS .now a days you go home the same day after your gallbladder is whipped out.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    The problem is no one is completely sure if Sonia is really sick. She being an elected MP and most powerful politician in country has a duty to inform Indians about her TRUE whereabouts.

    According to me, she is not sick but it is part of the game so that she doesn’t get blamed for anything due to Anna movement. She also wants Rahul to get all the credit if govt. succeeds against/with Anna.

    You are taking congress liars at face value.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev and Prabhat

    The handpicked civil society too seems have ditched the UPA for the tiem being. here is what Harsh Mander says in today’s HT.

    “The Hazare agitation is by no means the only peaceful protest that governments have sought to crush. Governments of all political hues have attempted to repress whenever they can people’s agitations …”

    Lagata hai, chosen wondekid has ditched UPA for the time being…..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You have no idea what NDA would have done to this movement !

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    You are right. NDA would have probably killed 10000 in one day if it was in congress’s place. ;)

    [Reply]

    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat,

    Why ask hypothetical questions ?

    Agar meri MOUSI ki moochein hoti to woh mera MOUSA kehlata.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Nice one… :) Moochon wali mausi ;)

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    May be you are right. This is not the place to discuss hypothesis.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Sorry about not resisting this :

    The whole environment today has been vitiated by hypothetical questions or conclusions of presumptive in nature -

    Vinod Rai’s assertion that -

    Based on 3G price, the value of 2G spectrum allotted to the 122 new licensees and 35 Dual Technology licences would be at about Rs 1,52,038 crores.

    And the whole world, media and Vijay have gone gaga about 1.76 lakh crore scam ! This figure led even Supreme Court Judges to show their knee-jerk reactions, media display huge Google kind of numeric headlines, bloggers shout on top of their voice and Anna getting huge mileage.

    So everything is based on that hypothetical question –

    “if 2G licenses were sold at 3G prices ?”

    “If Nano was sold at Jaguar prices ?”

    More than anybodyelse I will give Vinod Rai the credit for this unrest.

  • Mohan R

    When Indian public voted UPA to power most of the people used to say that Indian voter
    is very intelegent., they know which party is good for the country hence they voted for UPA.
    Now when these same people are agitating againt the governement in this ANNA movement
    these same people are claiming that they are fools and have suddenly realised that
    ” there is more to life other than Mobile, Ipod and computer screen “

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    If these are very people who voted UPA to power, then it’s almost like internal affair !

    It will settle down after few trade-offs.

    UPA supporters both in the Parliament and on the street are working overtime for the benefit of the country !

    No wonder the main opposition is sitting quiet in a corner !

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat,

    Though I dont agree with your views most of the tiime but I appreciate your honesty. You do
    believe in this governemnt with all their faults.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat

    The main opposition is sleeping;noyt just sitting..

    But it is OK; because their involvement will give ammunition to castigate Anna movement as a Modi/RSs deal.

    However, they better be cleaning their guns.. Knowing them they will work overtime to lose the next eelctions..although the country is giftwrapped for them!

    Wouldnt Mody be an active goals oriented results achieving PM for us… Who will be your choice for PM — assuming you pick the most capable from any party..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Gopi,
    The problem with opposition especially BJP is that if it supports Anna’s movement, it will give Congress a chance to discredit and divide Anna’s movement. Now if it doesn’t support Anna’s movement, it will be banded together with Congress as Corrupt.

    According to me Both BJP and Congress are in same position but because of different reasons.

    The need of the hour for BJP is to cultivate its own Jholachaaps (NGOs) who can keep Congress on defensive by bringing up Emergency, 1984 genocide, Scams, babri masjid etc. but BJP is basically party of fools who think that by taking high moral ground, they can win votes. They have to play dirty just like Congress.

  • Mohan R
  • Gopi Thomas

    prabhat, i agree, that mrs sonia gandhi did resurrect congress… and in her absence seems to operate rudderless..

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  • nirav

    Mr vinod,

    “If parliamentary democracy weakens, the loser will be the political class and the gainer the big business. People once again will be short-changed, Lokpal or not.”

    Whom do you speak for the Radia group or sibal group?
    You certainly dont for people or democracy……
    Democracy is defined as “Government of the people, by the people, for the people”
    READ THE WORDS PEOPLE AGAIN AND AGAIN……….Now tell me if people want something from the reps who are drenched in corruption is that weakening democracy…Not listening to people on mere pretext that we have won and arrogantly and auocratically we will rule for 5yrs…Is it a license to plunder in the name of democracy??????
    lets look at some example of the people who are shouting wolf wolf here….
    1)PM MMS — he has no peoples mandate ….never won a loksabha seat and is a selected and at best nominated but not elected PM..
    2)FM Chidambram–Whos son won him or rather bought him the elections …dont we know this
    3)Kapil sibal–Who is telecom minister and supposed to undo Rajas wrongs while his son and untill recently himself was defending A raja inthe courts
    4)FM Pranab mukerjee – Who said during opposition rule that PM should be part of Lokpal and now when it comes to amul baby says now it shouldnt
    5)Salman Khurshid— seriously do we even have to comment on him???????
    6)And latest is Aruna roy and arundati roy— One is Pro sonia and the other anti nationals…
    Actually its the same thing….

    The people who are crying for democracy were sleeping till now when it was murderred each day by scams and cash for votes and it dates back to 70s…
    The others who are not complaining that anna is stubbon and is destroying democracy are the ones who have been milking this corroption and enjoying the fruits along with the politicians and corporates as partners in crime……

    JUST FYI,
    clause in JanLokpal says
    “Any company found indulging in corrupt practices not only will be prosecuted by law but will also be barred for any new contract for 5 years”

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee Mr vinod and likes…

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  • vijay kumar

    On the way from my office… I got a funny T shirt free at the red light.

    One side says “I am ANNA ”

    the back side has

    ” I am the UPA corrupt, family ruled and shameful” :D

    Wow !! The UPA will surely get wiped out in Delhi….

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    get to know a few white girls yaar…

    they are just like you and me…

    You will ealise that at the end of the day Sonia’s motivations are really no different from that of an Indian wife or mother !! Especially since she is in India now…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You are trying to corrupt me in full public view ! I will tell Anna !!!!

    [Reply]

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    If you complain to anna… I’ll complain to your wife… you’ll suffer more. :D

    [Reply]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I surrender.

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  • Mohan R

    Can you believe this guy ? and he is called SHAHI IMAM.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Bukhari-calls-stir-anti-Islam-tells-Muslims-to-stay-away/articleshow/9690525.cms

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    He just wants some publicity. Ignore this guy.

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    It is quite sad Bukhari made this statemet.

    This may block some odler Muslims from particpating; but he does not ahve much sway among younger ones.

    The man (does not qualify to be an Imam !) should have kept silent.. as usual, he makes us look bad… tragic….with spokesmen and leaders like these, why would we need any enemies?

    It indeed is sad. I hope my fellow Muslis support or not support on issues (role of parliament, administrative issues etc) rather than o a religious base, the most clumsy one being he did not fast after Guj riots or he admires Modi.. I admire Mod too

    Shame on you Bukhari…

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Dr Shan (see how polite I have become)
    why this cheap boasting- “”"titles will take you more than a few minutes to read , and who is happy to comment on mitochondrial DNA as he is to comment on MARLOWE”"”
    I mean who the f cares if you quote Marlowe
    In this blog we have had people quote Nehru, Gandhi, Kalidasa, Voltaire etc

    By all accounts the three other docs on this blog- Pankaj, Mishraji and Shah Alam have had more glittering careers than yours and are exceedingly well read. Some like Mishraji also seem to lead very exciting sporting and social lives
    oye Mishraji, we need proof of your activities, pl you send to balwindersandhu1936@yahoo.co.uk

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  • Prabhat

    @ Mohan

    There is another side too :

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/Muslim-bodies-back-Annas-cause/articleshow/9698193.cms

    Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz’s national president and Rajya Sabha member Ali Anwar Ansari asked the Shahi Imam not to nurse the idea of being the leader of Muslims. “Vote-abadi hamari, fatwa tumhara” won’t work, he said.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat,

    I was reading this article and wanted to post the link of this also to show it to the
    bloggers the different type of Indians we have. You fingers are faster than me.
    Why dont you try at KBC :)

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    It is a good sign but it may have reservation agenda behind support of Pasmanda muslims.

    [Reply]

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    continued- last time I asked a Pakistani to prove his identity here as we can prove ours- he chickened out – said he does not have land line. said he only had a company phone- now what was his name again ??

    [Reply]

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    His name is RAVI……..

    He says Hindus drove his family from Sialkott to delhi….

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr S Singh

    I did nothing of the kind.

    I did ask you to prove it last time and you went away for a few days.

    I suggest that you do that again.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi = Gazini

    Ravi Reply:

    When did I say that.

    I have a land line, I have 3, in fact. If you think in order to prove my slef to you, I will, in a public forum publish my Land Line number that you are a grater Challa than even I think.

    I siad, will say it again, my mobile phone is a COMPANY ISSUE. You find that starnage because you are a congenital moron.

    Nothing less, nothing more, than a moron, a village idiot.

    Why dont you publish your phone number and I will make a call.

    Go on if you are so keen to know my real identity, publish your phone number and I will call you.

    If you do not, than you are not just a chicken your are a KFC.

    [Reply]

    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi and Balwinder,
    if you ever land up in Delhi, together, it will be my pleasure to have you over for lassi or any other kind of coloured water that you gentlemen fancy..
    Now, c’mon.. stop this; please. Please…

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  • Mohan R

    Some more true Indians who dont follow Shahi Imam’s advice.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Slowly-Muslims-are-shedding-Anna-apathy/Article1-735931.aspx

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    it is everybody’s protest … hindu, muslim, chrisian…

    all are annas.. indians…

    no marathi, tamilian, gujrati, malayali…
    no hindu, sikh, muslim..
    no rural , urban..

    all are anna..all are indians..

    let this unity be cemented with accomplishments, quality of life improvements

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  • Rajiv

    So Mr Sharma’s latest attempt at journalism is to question the motives of the people who are supporting Anna.
    Lol

    [Reply]

    Rajeev Reply:

    That is what has been done by Arundhati Roy and Sarkari civil society.

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  • surinder mehta

    The conclusion of this piece that political class and big business are two different things is ridiculous. They are part of the same cacus with complimentary interests. If team Anna wins it is the win of Indian Public. If team Anna loses it will be win of corrupt political class represented by parliamentary democracy and the big business. Who was behind 2G scam , CWG fraud – corrupt business aided and abetted b the political class ?.

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  • Venky

    Mr. Vinod Sharma, Everyone who are attending and commenting on television have their story of victims of corruption to tell. If you close your eyes and want to support establishment for “true”journalism, it is upto you. You still have the mindset of separated at birth, please come into our generation and start thinking and not the Baby Doe of 2011?

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  • Raju Kurien

    Do not understand why Anna will consider Rahul. among the three he will talk with for a compromise..He is not a minister ..only a partry functionary…

    Is this the grand trick of Congress? To make Rahul the man who saved the country….

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Thanks to the politics of coalition, all the regional players and the main party players had a good time making hay while the sun shone. PV Narasimha Rao slept while the babri Masjid was demolished; his rationale was that once the Sangh parivaar demolishes the Masjid, it would gain power for some time and then later on, the Congress would come back. It happened likewise, but with a twist – now it is no more single-party rule – it would be always coalition governments. And keeping in line with the coalition mantra, MMS was counting sheep while his corrupt colleagues of various parties stuffed the greenbacks. The question is, whether MMS is having a card up his sleeve to bring the Congress back in power after the round of corruption and Anna Anshan? BJP and the NDA too are as corrupt as the Congress and the UPA – so is there any real choice for the people of India to chose from? If the BJP & the NDA comes back to power, we would have the Butcher of Bhaichara leading the BJP? How far would that be morally, ethically and legally acceptable? Can you imagine a PM whose hands are full of blood, face painted red and his tongue hanging out for more of the same? The Gaddafis and Saddams would laugh at our democracy and its machinations.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    BJP is as corrupt as Congress.

    Please do provide list and volume of BJP scams Vs Congress Scams.

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Abu

    Isnt it a bit too much to compare Modi to Saddam or Gadaffi?

    What happensif BJP wins and Modi is their parliamentary leader? Obviously, no constitutional law is violated..

    We juSt cannot go on with innuendoes..

    Things happened.. No evidence he was an active participant in that..(do not go by Testas)…
    Now, if he can improve the livelihood of 800 million poor Indians, shouldnt we consider that as a serious option..Wouldnt that be his repentence if he has committed the so called crimes either directly or indirectly .. What if he becomes the PM, and 300,000 deserving poor students got through prestigious professional colleges, and 30,000 of that group is Muslims. through his focused action. Does it constitute a repentence?` `

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Come on Sir, the whole Gujarat 2002 pogrom was engineered by Modi to win the Gujarat elections and to establish a way for future ones. With the BJP at the center, only he had the guts to experiment with this new strategy. Modi’s development of Gujarat is a direct result of the capital support that he could garner from big business after establishing his winning ways. If at all his administration is less corrupt in monetary terms, his way to gain power in itself is full of blood and gore. Now, as I see it, the choice before us is whether to opt for Ahimsavadi Dursashan or Hinsavadi Prasashan. BTW, the USA have denied visit visas to Modi twice – and it was the USA which killed Saddam because Saddam had killed and tortured his own people to remain – just what Modi did to win Gujarat. And now Qaddafi is on his last leg. It would be quite humiliating for us to see PM of India being denied visas by other countries and not allowed to enter as a persona non grata, or may be you would not mind it much as long as Modi kills and rules. BTW, what is wrong with allowing Congress to continue in power – its practicing soft Hindutva since the 80s when Indira Gandhi came back to power from oblivion. And the Sangh Parivar is a patient bird – it can afford to deliver slow poison to the minorities in India while allowing the Congress to rule the country. The RSS’s gain is BJP’s loss, thats all.

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    Venky Reply:

    Why the hell you guys are bent upon creating a divide between communities? for what purpose? Is your identity is real? Unless you guys join mainstream, nothing will happen for the betterment of your community.

    S Singh Reply:

    “Divide and rule” is congress’ landmark….They will continue to divide the country.. Now they have started with “Anna’s movement does not have Muslim leaders/Sc/T leaders”…Mahesgh Bhatt and Shabnam have been doing rounds

    What a joke

    rajmohan Reply:

    Abu,
    Your bold and hard hitting analysis is welcome…this blog space was occupied by some self proclaimed fifteen intellectuals ..I smell a fresh fragrance..

  • deb

    Ohh la la…so it is Corporates now! Next what?? The Maritans, may be??
    And Vinod Sharma will know a thing or two about studio hopping!! Is he not a regular at NDTV/IBN/TN etc., taking up cudgels on behalf of the Congress??
    Btw, what is your problem with having a strong lokpal bill? Are you not angry with the all engulfing way of corruption? Why the PM will not be within purview of JLP bill? Is it the present incumbatant or one particular futute ‘the one’ who you want to protect?

    [Reply]

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    It looks like that in India only journos and political class can get involved in “politics”.. It is somehow considered “encroachment into protected territory”If others like Anna, Ramdev etc get involved.. Strange

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    Rajeev Reply:

    spot on..politics inki baap ki jaagir hein…

    These politicians and journos get involved in cricket, journos, business etc. No one questions them.

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    rajmohan Reply:

    Do you vote in elections?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    When a politician or even a journalist enters politics you are aware of his leanings openly. They usually profess their viewpoints long before they join politics. So their followers are usually people who have been following a certain political thought for quite some time. So there is no surprise. There is no manipulation of the public psych.

    On the other hand, spiritual gurus have a different kind of followers. People who believe in guru’s spiritual thoughts and practices, become ardent fan of such gurus. These followers come from all walks of life, cutting across different political thoughts and party affiliations.

    When the guru suddenly jumps into politics, his followers who have had different political affiliations but strong devotion for the guru feel uncomfortable. The guru also mistakes his spiritual followers are as ” vanila followers” away from any political affiliations and try to impose his political thoughts on them. Then the dissonance occur.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Prabhat,
    Anna never claimed to be a guru-spirited may be, but spiritual, no! In fact even his close associates are not referring to him as one.
    He has only managed to be the public face of anger at the big issue of today- that being corruption.
    I fear you are defining politics in too narrow terms- it is not just a means of coming to power. Whether or not his bill is the right prescription, he has galvanised the public to focus on corruption as THE big idea.
    As for followers having a difference of opinion- it is not only expected but even desirable. The Congress, BJP or even the CPM is not monolithic and thank god for that. When no two human beings are alike, how can a large political party, movement for social justice, etc have just one voice? In fact that is precisely why- staying focused on a narrow anti-corruption platform is good for the success of the endeavour.
    @Binoy Hegde, extremely apt comment.
    Vinod Sharma is doing what he always does, muddy the waters so that the focus on the issue is lost.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ashish

    It was not for specific to Anna. My post was more generic in nature. Particularly for Spiritual gurus or even social activists.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish SOME MORE REALLY THE BIG IDEAS that should get precedence

    !. FOOD FOR ALL FOR 365 DAYS
    2. ABOLISHMENT OF CASTE
    3.COMPULSORY ENGLISH MEDIUM EDUCATION FOR ALL

    No wonder an academic from Yale in NDTV commented THIS IS PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYED MIDDLE CLASS taking out its anger having had to interact with govt depts. prior to 1990 MOST EMPLOYMENT IN MIDDLE CLASS WERE GOVT GENERATED , thus you dont bite the hand that feeds you.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Deb
    I want a strong across the board oversight to check corruption. But I strongly believe that work be divided between different lok pals —- one for top politicial echelons and bureaucray, another for the judiciary and the third for the lower bureaucracy. The Mps be disciplined internally by parliament through house ethics committees. Is that a bad idea?

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    ” The Mps be disciplined internally by parliament through house ethics committees. Is that a bad idea”
    I recall in an earlier debate when we were arguing for a JPC to investigate the 2 G scam, Mr Vinod Sharma had vehemently opposed it on the grounds that he is against ” peers judging peers “.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    that was then, this is NOW.

  • shan

    Bloggers etal, There have been some BIG TICKET CORRUPTION. Particularly the way CONgress party has sold the country to the AMABANIS. Take Kaveri basin , ONGC SHOULD HAVE DEVOLOPED IT , with a foreign partner . Amabani got the rights , NOW BEING IN A PICKLE or other motive is SUBLETTING its rights to BP of UK , in the process POCKETTING COUPLE OF BILLIONS.
    The 2G , scam is unfolding. Govt should just revoke all licences and ask for fresh bid AND NO CORRUPTION FRIENDLY FIRST COME FIRST SERVE MALAKI.
    Actually ENTIRE industry bar IT and PHARMA is run by CRONY CAPITALIST , that is why not a single indian world beating product, not a single indian innovation. When did you hear of any invention from Birla stable or Ambani stable or Tata for that matter. Just to remind the NANO car engine is built by BOSCH.
    I think here is a model govt can follow. GOVT STARTS VENTURE , APPOINTS CEO FROM MARKET , not brainless IAS officers and pays them MARKET RATE , SAY FIVE LAKH /MONTH. gOVT HAS 51% share , rest is floated on the market . Within five years GOVT COMPLETELY DIVESTS ITS SHARE AND CONVERTS IT INTO A PROPER CORPORATION. This will be proper professional led enterprise NOT INDIAN BAP KA MAAL shoddy enterprise

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Fake encounters and identities””””””’

    haha, so now we all have to prove ourselves- how ?
    Because 1-2 feel that maybe my stories of sailing and parties at the embassy are not correct, then I have to provide evidence. Not sure Balwinder praaji if I am in agreement with you on this one. I share these stories because some way I like to motivate people- I remember Rajiv, Vijay and Dr Pankaj in particular were very curious about sailing.
    So I say, take it or leave it-

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    But for sometime I had been wanting to take this cyber relationship with SOME here to the next level, like maybe exchange email addresses, invite SOME on to my facebook account, let them see my videos, see my family photos etc
    In particular I would like to meet the 2 kind doctors on this blog in person one day- Shah Alam and Pankaj.
    So here goes, Ballu praaji, you win again. I shall send you links to my sailing videos and to the Radhika concert I had attended at the embassy last month– which I spoke about last month on the blog.

    I shall also send some photos of the Sharmila Tagore / Saeed Jaffrey function last year- yours truly is posing with each of them.
    If any of my cyber friends want they can send me their email address and I shall share some of my life with them

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    not just that, I want to do a bharat darshan. Go to Kerala and discuss life with Gopi and Raju, sit and listen to Sheenoy’s irreverent prose in Bangalore, and meet Vijay, Ashish and Rajiv for ‘Balwinder’s lassi’ in Delhi.
    And I am actually going to Radisson Mahabalipuram in November and would love to meet Shoeb
    Now I am getting sentimental and must stop. Must have some ‘lassi’ before I sleep

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    Ashish Reply:

    Dr Mishra,
    door ke lassi meetha lagta hai :) How about lassi with your blogmates in UK? Seriously… :D

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Dr. Mishra;
    Thank you very much for considering me. I would love to exchange view on your sailing skills/ and thrills of sailing. I invite you to come here for sailing,as this is quite a popular sport here.

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    shan Reply:

    So I say fake it or make it (up)
    Okay that was a joke

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    rajiv Reply:

    Has anyone started taking this lowly demented Shan seriously ? Now thats an offense !

    Anyway, I just read in Pak papers what Sarkari/Congressi Imam Shah Bukhari had to say about Anna. Absolutely communal trash from Mr Bukhari.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Bukhari should be happy he is in India. He would have been killed long ago if he were in Pakistan. A pitiable human being and a bad Muslim…

    shan Reply:

    Yes most of the intelligent bloggers have , bar the three IMBECILES that includes you

  • Rakesh Katyal

    Mr Vinod you should instead be writing as to why the UPA is running away from a strong Lokpal. Why is the government so scared to create a check on elected representatives who are looting taxpayers money. The job of press is to write for the people and not for the government. Such articles are a pity.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rakesh Katyal/
    You are entitled to your views. But certain elements in the media did expend objectivity to project Anna larger than life. This does not mean that the Government was justified in what it did. They have suffered on account of their own doings — the loss of credibility being the Govt’s worst loss.

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  • Rajesh

    Mr. Sharma, I don’t agree with your article at all. There is simply no comparison between Meet John Doe and the Anna situation – (a) Anna was famous even before the present fast; (b) The media frenzy is by all channels/newspaper and not by a single channel/newspaper; (c) If anything, more than the media, its the Government’s own fallies that have pushed the fast into the limelight. So lets not compare chalk and cheese or attribute motives to the person. I am no fan of Anna or his bill but the comparison stinks.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajesh
    My response to Katyal is addressed to you as well

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Even if you dont answer my question, you can still pass it to Rahul Baba and Digvinash, that the downfall of the UPA started when they got Mani Shankar Aiyar as sports Minister. He failed and when he was removed he started the shouts of 70,000 crores lost– where the actual losses could well have been 500 crores.

    I think the BJP and NDA should now give Mani an honorary ,membership and for being a Pravasi BJPlte :D

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    shan Reply:

    Is there sufficient grounds to infer that vijay haryana khap is RILED by( crypto communist chinese commune style economy extolling) Lahore born , WENT TO CAMBRIDGE PAID BY DAD, M AIYYAR
    because a certain part of his anatomy got burnt after the enquiries into CWG heera pheri , as khap member was involved in chota mota construction work

    As they say there is no smoke without a fire

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  • paritosh

    If we Common man start asking our representative something to do….the person like you become over conscious. You guys start telling that it will weaken parliamentary democracy….You guys start creating hype that these are against Sansad and Loktantra.

    Everyone knows about kalmadi that he was looting public money except few like government and the people like you off course.

    WHO ARE BENEFICIALRY OF THE CORRUPTION?—- 1. Politicians 2. Bureaucrats 3. Corporate.

    You are saying that corporate are beneficiary if an independent lokpaal will be created? What a logic? Who are beneficiary of 2G Scam, CWG etc?

    Even if media houses are promoting, i do not see any problem in it…….

    You have been defending Kalmadi, government, raja every time on tv and when tv channels air it….it is ok? But in case of common man asking about their right you guys have problem.

    We common man can not make you guys happy…..

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  • Gopi Thomas

    It is interesting the people who tolerate bandhs , shutdowns etc as nuisance find Anna’s non-intrusive strike as threatening the system…

    There are verfy few who find legitimate issues with the process, method etc.. But the reasons the majority of dissenters have expressed can be categorized into:

    - Anna is an illiterate Hawildar (our exservicemen and current serving army personnel have been gracious not to interfere by denouncing this statement; I do not know what some of my countrymen think; may be they think that freedom is secured by somebody other than the jawans)

    - Anna is not sophisticated to deal in complex things like corruption at a national level, he is OK to lead a village upliftment program (we still have our “clss” maintainers!)

    -Anna is too nationalistic (a little too many flags for Mahesh Bhatt and Arundhati likings)

    - Parliament is supreme (no agitations, no expression by citizens other than voting…)

    I am ashamed that I have fellow citizens who hold the first three views….Depending on their numbers, we have eevn more serious problems after the coruption problem is reasonably nailed!

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    shan Reply:

    I am proud that i hold the view PARLIAMENT IS SUPREME , then again I am fortunate to see the best kept specimen in Salisbury cathedral , which says THE KING IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW , let alone a hawaldar.

    Parliament is there so that you dont need to agitate , you vote , AND ACCEPT MAJORITY RULE, for there has not been any better form of governance other than liberal democracy.
    But liberal democracy is not a PANACEA , IT IS A VERY GOOD FOUNDATION STONE

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Shan– I did not blame the people who hold the parliament is supreme view… But only the other three views .. I find them repulsive, we/them (we, convent educated, high class/they lowly clerks, lower class ..)

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  • vijay kumar

    ============================================================================
    ~ :D :D ~ VIJAY HAS BEEN INSTIGATED– compounder SHan will be made MAUN (silent) ~ :D ~
    ============================================================================

    @ Balwinder (u were right about this creature)., @ Shenoy ( my poetry guru :D ) @ Prabhat (u promised the cretin will improve… he is getting worse :D ) @ DR Mishra (this on ur behalf too) @ Rajiv (u r right. nobody should take this dunce seriously) and other suferers.

    I have diagnosed the problem with Shan. Despite reaching his male meopause he has been denied a Gauna ! At Here is poem in his honour

    There was a compounder called Shan
    He could never remain Maun (a)
    Because at his late age he had never got a Gauna ! :D :D

    Since he was so obsessed with Khap and Punjabans
    His blog mates got him married to Dolly Bindra type Punjabi KHappan !! :D :D
    WHo now eyes him like a butter chicken !!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

    So friends if you walk the roads of Kent….
    And you hear Compunder Shan shouting “HELP HELP… RAPE RAPE !! ”
    From a closed tent…’

    Dont worry, all is well
    It is just Dolly Bindra

    Make an amorous lunge
    At Compounder Shan
    Hiding in fear below the Diwan !! :D :D :D

    =============================================================================
    Ha ha ha ha h!!! ! :D :D :D :D :D :D !!!!!!!! O Boy Shan, you really made my day!!
    =============================================================================

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    shan Reply:

    Ba ba khap ji , have you any cash
    yes sir yes sir three bags full
    One for my mistress
    One for my pimp
    One for the little nine yr old girl
    daughter of my khap pradhan , who i have hidden in my den

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    shan Reply:

    It is not Diwan you PLONKER it is Divan , perhaps used to khatiya , you dont know what it is like in a waterbed or air bed or dreams divan with a tempur mattress , to suit your taste you probaby have mirrored ceiling in your room

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Ok Compounder Shan I’ll correct the last para and repeat it for posterity :D

    So friends if you walk the roads of Kent….
    And you hear Compunder Shan shouting “HELP HELP… RAPE RAPE !! ”
    From a closed tent…’

    Dont worry, all is well
    It is just Dolly Bindra

    Make an amorous lunge
    At Compounder Shan
    Hiding in fear below the DiVan !! :D :D :D

    ========================================================================
    Please not. The W has been changed to V
    Kind regards

    Vijay

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  • vijay kumar

    Compouunder SHan

    Becomes obscene in a public forum !!

    JUST PROVES THAT HE HAS LOST IT !! :D :D :D

    HA HA HA HA :D :D :D

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Last weekend was long , and I went visiting a relative, a senior functionary in the CAG’S office. I complimented him saying that your office has shaken up the country and the govt like never before. And who brought in such an inconvenient CAG , after all he is a UPA appointee., should not his neck be chopped ? I was surprised to know that it was the PM himself. Mr Vinod Rai , although hails from Ghazipur in East UP , comes from IAS Kerala cadre and a contemporary of PMs Principal Secretary TKA Nair , K T Thomas the illustrious dismissed CVC , all hailing from the same cadre. Sad for the PM , failed by his own choice. If no CAG , no official authentication of 2G Scam , no CWG scam, no KG Basin,no Air India scam , no Lokpal, no Anna Hazare. And life could continue to be “India’s Economy to grow at 9 percent.”
    Sadly for PM, Sonia G fell sick at the wrong time and is not around otherwise , he could have benefited from her wisdom and wide experience of public affairs.
    Sadly for PM , Rahul G , also does not show up , and his “interventions” come a trifle too late.
    We wish him well , and hope none gets a reason to ask the PM ” Itna gumsum kyuon rehte ho “

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    There are honourable men and honourable officers…..

    Some of these honourable men, like Sheshan, the ex-election commissioner, has transformed major areas for good..

    And we continue naming the roads and builings after scoundrels like Karunnidhi

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Arre Vijay , you have a wide network , pl find out where is our Shenoy Saab?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Praveen

    Just tried his number… it was busy///

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Gopi, you are right about Anna”””””””
    —————————–
    If a healthcare system does not work in India- ie docs in small towns forcing pts into their private nursing homes- then dont accept it. Fight and change the system.

    If the education system of India lets your children down, then do whatever it takes to ensure your kids get the best.

    If the parliament does not deliver, then dont say- Parliament is sacrosanct and wring your hands. 125 MPs have criminal cases against them, maybe 125 are scientifically illiterate with no sophisticated world view- wait for this rabble to change your life – you wait forever.

    Anna said- no can do. The public said no can do. I, an NRI, perhaps as patriotic as any in India says- no can do
    ———————
    Gopi- you are right. A havaldar is holding me spell bound. A Kejriwal is talking to me in the vernacular. This govt didnt, PC didnt.
    This the land of Valmiki, if it had to take a havildar to revolutionise India, then I am his humble supporter

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    In the world cup final there was a prominent poster in the stadium- Rahul, Sonia and MMS. wOW, TALK ABOUT BEING PRESUMPTIOUS.
    I had an open mind about Rahul uptil now, but his silence on the biggest revolution in living memory is surely the greatest indictment of his leadership potential.
    Vinod Sharma, you agree ??

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Arundati Roy- disagree with her 97% of the time, it is the 3 % of the time that she spaeks the truth brilliantly, mandates that she must NOT be silenced.
    Sentence her for sedition ( I think she has committed it a few times) but let her write even from jail- for that 3 % is valuable.
    She has got it wrong on Anna- http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2379704.ece

    but she was so brilliantly right on the Maoists- Walking with comrades- which should be mandatory reading for every blogger here, and every industrialist and minister- http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264738
    Do people know that the SALWA JADUM got banned in 2011 by SC- Arundati was right on that one

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    manujsk Reply:

    Having built your reputation on this forum, I dare challenge you, but I think I would still disgree with you. As an equity analyst, I have opinion on 20 stocks, and at any point of time I am right on 10-12, and wrong on the rest. But thats a simplistic statement. I am logically incorrect always on something or everything even on the stocks on which I am right. So, a SC judgement in your favour might earn you the brownies, but the arguments may or may not be entirely correct. Lets cut the ****, and put it simply- I can’t stand the lady. She is so wrong on so many things, that even if she gets some right, I’ll take that as a fluke. Logic and arguments are definitely not her forte.

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  • Ravi

    Will Education remove the curse of untouchability?

    A COVENTRY couple are fighting a groundbreaking tribunal, claiming their jobs were ruined after they fell in love.

    Vijay Begraj and wife Amardeep say they were both doing well at the Coventry solicitors firm where they met, but faced discrimination from colleagues after they started dating.
    Their employment tribunal makes Vijay the first person to formally claim wrongful dismissal and discrimination because of his caste.

    The tribunal in Birmingham this week heard Amardeep claim that her colleagues made cutting remarks about her marrying outside her caste, even as guests on her wedding day.
    Amardeep and her employers at Heer Manak solicitors come from a so-called higher caste but she claims trouble first began when she started seeing a colleague, Vijay, from a so-called lower caste (often called Dalits or Untouchables because in many cases in south Asia they have been shunned by the rest of society).

    Their former employer denies any discrimination, calling the claims “outrageous.”
    Caste equality campaigners claim caste divides have come to the UK with south Asian immigration, but say the law is failing to protect against caste discrimination.

    Amardeep, of the Jat caste, claimed a staff member had warned her to “reconsider the step I was taking of marrying Vijay because he was a different caste.

    “People of Vijay’s caste were different creatures. Marriage would be very different from dating.”
    She said that on her wedding day, one of their colleagues raised a toast to “Jat girls going down the drain”, and she claims she was given more work, less secretarial support and less pay than other solicitors at the practice.

    Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2011/08/18/romance-ruined-jobs-for-coventry-couple-92746-29258083/#ixzz1VrYL4azL

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi WHY DONT YOU BE EXPLICIT , YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BALWINDER LOT , THE SIKHS .
    Same holds true for HYPOCRITE MISHRA.
    The IRONY is that to the ENGLISH , Mishra is **** , balwinder is **** , ravi is **** , shan is ****.

    swami vivekanda (read in school text) while travelling to england on a ship THANKED THE ENGLISH for making BRAMHINS AND KAYASTH made to feel in the SAME GROUP .by lumping them as natives .
    I must say THIS COVENTRY SORT OF BEHAVIOUR IS UNKNOWN in BENGALEE HINDU COMMUNITY (number ?10000) in UK

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    The question being asked in legal circles is, if caste based discrimination, is adequately covered by the existing discrimination at work-place legislation?

    BTW.

    There is a Guru Ravidas Sikh Temple in Southall. I pass it everytime I visit Southall.

    I am sure you are able to work out for yourslef as to why such a temple exists, at all.

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    shan Reply:

    There is a Guru ravidas temple in GRAVESEND,i mentioned this to a sardarni,she became quite animated .
    So far i understand , NO FORM OF DISCRIMINATION WILL BE ALLOWED IN ANGLOSAXON WORLD LEGALLY, you simply cannot DISCRIMINATE .
    rememeber american declaration of independence ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL , that doesn’t mean racism and discrimination doesn’t exist in anglo Saxon countries

  • Binoy Hegde

    gopi, vijay, prabhat et al

    It is intersting about certain sgmentss’ view that Anna is “not” educated, that he is a “hawildar”etc.

    There was a “hidden camera” sting operation series here in US where the NBC reporter went on a hidden camera mission on identifying and (police arresting) people soliciting sex with underage girls. the age of these girls were quite evident from the chats these men had; men came for sex knowing these girls /undercover agents are below 18.

    Two indian men were caught — one sitting in nude waiting for the “uneder age ” girl in her supposed house… The first thing that came out of his mouth was “I am a Masters degree holder, I come from a good family” …I bet people of these type are the ones saying Anna is “uneducated” , he is from a “not so good family background”… the girl he came for was 14 yr old.

    the second man also had a similar argument “I am educated, i am from a good family” as if that line will get him out…..

    Somebody told me altogether in four seasons there were six Indian men captured; and all had this “education” excuse..somehow because they are educated they should be let go ..that this is not their normal behaviour–that they are in the underage girls house to teach her, to be like a father…..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Binoy

    A nice apt example you gave here. Being educated is good, but it does not give you a monoply of thought.

    And many a time the educated use their degrees to cover psychopathic social and personal behavior, as this blog and your example illustrates.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Binoy

    :D :D The example you gave of these so called educated duffers is still making me smile… :D

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    since when is this requirement that anybody leading a protest movement has to be ‘eductaed” (whatever it is!); while people contesting for MP/MLA need not be educated….

    Is this a congress tactic to divert attention…

    suddenly qualifications/sophistication etc is coming to the forefront … that too to lead a procession…. simply unbelievable…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    That’s not an issue at all. You have a wrong impression.

    Mohan R Reply:

    Binoy,

    Very good example. A person should be respected for just being a human only. Education
    is definately very good but if the same education makes a person arrogant and he tries demeaning another person than in my view that person has only read the books but
    has not educated himself.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    If we try to argue against Anna taking plea of his lack of education then we are just short of ideas. He goes by his conviction. Sometimes, his methods are uncomfortable. He is mostly raises voice against the system. Since most part of his life he has been doing that he looks anybody and everybody from the system with suspicion. He also hardens his position easily taking the extreme corner.

    But I bet if the core group is taken away from him and he is left alone with the Govt. representatives, then he will see reason and change his tune.

    Anna in that sense is a simpleton. He can be used and abused by people.

    Give him a logical sounding reason he will jump in fire for you.

    I just hope he does not get betrayed by people he trusts with his life.

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , it is like sailing in an UNCHARTERED SEA WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO READ A COMPASS

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    Anna has a definite role and he is playing that role perfectly. He wants people to wake up to something and act. He is doing that just fine. The finer nuances are left to Kejriwals and Bhushans to deal with.

    Think for a moment. No politician could do what he has done in just a few days !

    I differ with his approach. But I do not see education or lack of it being any way a handicap for Anna for what he sets out to do.

    Anil Reply:

    Prabhat,

    What would you prefer…

    1. A freedom from corruption from a person which you think has uncomfortable methods.
    2. Billion dollar scams under the power of people who seem to work professionally.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Binoy

    Whaz up in the US economy?? Is it actually picking up?

    I think the US and the world should now be told that the old model of the world producing and the US consuming to make the world run is over….

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Vijay
    US economy, and the west in general (except Canada and germany) are in bad, bad shape.

    US is now going through a tough time – too many houses in forecloure, no bank loans, nobody hiring, middle class being hollowed out (because of the republicann push to eliminate on unions, teachers, state govt jobs etc .. the official unemploym,ent rate is 9.2%, but once you include people who have been left out of the rolls because they hit the maximum allowable unemployment a llowance period, the figure is something like 16%. Black unemployment is close to 20%, Hispanic close to 15%.

    Now with the divided govt (Presidency belonging to democrats, but House of reps belonging to republicans) nothing will happen. republicans favor the economy going worse so that Obama will lose the 2012 elction.

    The issue is not deficit, although there should be plans to control it over the long haul. the real issue is consumption/spending; and in bad times govt has to stimulate through construction, or targeted investments (in wind energy etc).. Republicans will not allow one more cent, with the result there will be more layoffs in state govt (many have started witha vengence to fire teachers… and they want to improve education!)

    US can get out only with a coherent national policy. However, it will be imposiible to develop a national policy because of issues like States sovereignty, state rights etc..So Texas will teach that God created the universe (with a precise date 6000 years ago), while California will teach evolution…Figure out how a country like this can really compete in the 21st century world .

    Oh by the way, the most likely republican party nominee fro Presidency is Rick perry, the current governor of Texas – who believes in the “creation theory”, do not believe in global warming, do not believe the state has any role other than defence, do not believe in any regulations, do not believe in student aid….. figure it out… If I were you, your plan should involve bidding for construction projects here in 10 years… there wont be many engineers.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Binoy,
    gosh! Now I know why Bush is a Texan :D
    What’s really scary is that Bush (and Perry) happened even without this curriculum in place; the next generation of Texans will be really something…

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish , Bush is not a Texan , like you are not a haryanvi, though you live in Delhi.
    Bush is NEW ENGLAND through and through, one of the ORIGINAL 100 settlers who came with the ship mayfair.
    He settled ONLY FOR POLITICAL PURPOSE where he was elected as a governor and used as a launching pad for his presidency.
    I have a biography of him.A little of PROTESTANT ETHICS.
    When BushJnr graduated , he applied for a job in COLGATE, he was turned down in the interview.This despite the fact HIS DAD WAS SENATOR AT THE TIME

  • shan

    @Binoy Hegde , Do you know much about art and literature.
    now read on
    Vidia’s (V.S NAIPAUL , NOBEL LAUREATTE IN LITERATURE) physical attraction to pat had never been certain, after they married it declined further .In summer of 1958 , turning imagination into reality ,he started to have sex with prostitutes.(Source the book THE WORLD IS WHAT IT IS , PATRICK FRENCH page 187)

    Few names which may appear STRANGE to you , like paul Gaugin chopped off his ear and took it to the prostitute he loved.
    raphael died at the age of 25 from AMOROUS EXCESSES
    Matisse died in Tahiti not from heart attack but from SYPHILIS.
    Bill gates used to bet the service of a prostitute , this is kind of a rite of passage in ANGLOSAXON WORLD,your BRAMHINICAL DALIT RAPING world is both more heinous and hypocritical.
    WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE INTELLECT OR RATHER LACK OF IT.
    Rabble rousing is one thing , seasoned argument is another.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Doctor/compounder

    Prostitution is rape for money. It is about selling the diginity of hapless women for cash a customer posseses, by fair and foul means. It is exploitation and involves slae trade of East european and Russian women into the UK.

    Whatever your personal reason for patronising prostitutes, I think in a public forum you should NOT give lectures on the Virtues of prostitutes and getting Syphillis makes you creative :D

    You would be well served to find a female/male match, as I had suggested in my last poem. GAUNA ke baad tumhara dimag thanda ho jayega :D :D

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay , YOU MAY BE BENEFITTING FROM THAT ENTERRPRISE FOR DELHI HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF PROSTITUTES PER POPULATION

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    vijay kumar Reply:

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    ~~ :D :D ~ NIRODH chaudhari NEEDS PSYCHIATRiC INTERVENTION ~~ :D :D ~~~
    =====================================================================

    The blog was about Anna Hazare and how our maturing democracy should manage corruption.

    But Shri Nirodh Choudhari. suddenly discovered the virtues of prostitution and is giving a lecture on it :D :D h ahahha … uska dimag examine karo ! :D

    When we want to talk about Lok Pal, Nirodh chaudhari wants to lecture us on how cutting ears and getting syphillis is good for creativity ! :D :D
    ~~~ uska dimag examine karo ~~ :D :D

    When Binoy gave a shameful example of “educated” Indians luring underage girls for sex thru the net, Nirodh Chaudhari felt offended as his raw hidden life was exposed.
    ~~~ uska past examine karo~~ :D :D HA HA HA HA

    Nirodh Chaudhari…. look into your eyes. Kya kali kartoot karte ho ???

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    To be brutally honest.

    Binoy made the original post about prostitution.

    Shan merely responded to it.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    Not being pedantic, but just a few corrections.

    Vincent Van Gough, cut of his ear.

    Pual Gaugin lived in Tahiti.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi , thanks for the correction

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Binoy

    Interesting analysis. Sometimes I wonder why Americans with the best economists and some really good management practices, end up electing dunces like Ronald Reagan and his clones.

    Is it the self image of the tough cowboy rough riding and finally winning?

    The world has changed. The biggest Amderican corporations are manufacturing almost everything in China, transferring the jobs overseas. The Chinese get the cash and hold the US by its… balls.

    I think the US would be well served to use its real positives like democracy and free speech as a precondition for imorting from China. It would bring some reality to their relationship.

    they can also ram down global laws of emission and switch over to hybrid technologies for automobiles, to win the race of the wheel…

    Obama can be clever to win the moral highground, as well as do good for the entire world.

    But I dont think the US would be wise enough to take that route…

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    vjay

    Things are not that simple in US.

    Firt elections– you can be the President of teh country without winning popular votes. George Bush , the previous president, did not win popular votes…

    They have a system aclled “electoral votes” one vote each for a state’s federa;l elected seat ( 2 senators plus at least one congressman for state) . This distorts thepouplation – ie Wyoming has 3 electoral votes, but CAliforni only has 45 (I m not sure, but a good approximation).–but if u look at the population of Wyoming (400,000) and CAlif (30million) , CAlifornia should have 180 electoral votes if Wyoming has 3 electoral votes. All the small states are “wild red” (republican) plus southern satts are also wild red..So it is difficult for a Dmocrat to win presidency…hence the wackos like Reagan, Junior Bush, and most probably Rick perry. Obama’s was a wave election; because even red states were upset with Bush and his wars.

    The proble with emission standards etc –they acnot have a standard here, becasue states oppose these..

    Modern problems require modern approaches, both at private and public sector level. US Constitution is considered like a sacred document; amedmends are not easy, and require 2/3 of states approval; and no small state is going to approve anything that will dimisnish their industry (such as coal in Wyoming and West virginia, autos in Michigan ), their political clout. .

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  • Ravi

    Binoy

    I am not sure what is the point that you are trying to make.

    But I will have a guess.

    Your point is either;

    1. Educated people do NOT indulge in deviant sexual behaviour. So these people are a one-off aberration.

    2. Once caught committing a crime, Indians in the US try to beat the rap, by citing their educational attainment mitigation and thereby suggesting that their education should allow them to be treated differently. They have not read about Dominic Kahan.

    3. Or the serious point is; what is in the upbringing of men in India, that one finds them being caught for such crimes in disproportionate numbers. What is Indian society’s attitude towards sex, which leads for such deviations being learnt as behaviours and desires at an early age.

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay kumar, LOOK IN THE MIRROR

    I. Extent
    Many surveys have been conducted to find out the extent of child prostitution. Dr. Gilada’s paper on perspectives and positional problems of social intervention” shows that,
    “70% of women are forced into prostitution and 20% of these are child prostitutes.”

    Statistics of the survey done show:-

    City Population Prostitute Population

    Bombay 10 million 100,000

    Calcutta 9 million 100,000

    Delhi 7 million 40,000

    Agra 3 million 40,000

    HOW ABOUT ANTIPROSTITUTION OR ATLEAST ANTI CHILD PROSTITUTION IN HARYANA
    led by KHAP or ANSHAN BY EX HAWALDAR , would be intersting to see HOW MANY PEOPLE ASSEMBLE IN RAMLILA MAIDAN TO SUPPORT THE CAUSE.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    doctor saheb, is it true that gonoria and siphillis was introduced to India from abroad

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    shan Reply:

    @dadaji of 75 yr age, YES GONORHHOEA WAS INTRODUCED BY THE DUTCH , but syphilis was always there in India

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    Dadaji ?????????

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    I thought it was a known fact that prostitution and poverty go hand in hand.
    Gopi, your passion for Anna is disarming, I have never seen you so animated. I have spent the whole day watching
    1. several ladies in burka offering greetings to Anna
    2. several sportsmen- who were all Arjuna Award winners on the stage
    3. Imam Bukhari proving he is a Bal Thackeray- pointless. Shoeb, thank you for stating the obvious- Bukhari does not speak for you.
    BLOGGERS- I BURN WITH ANNA MANIA- PLEASE ALL BE UNITED

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    By the way Mishraji thanks for sending the links to your family website. The photos of your good self with alcoholic Jaffrey and Sharmila Tagore are there. Sirji, truly I am humbled by your many interests- you lead a very charmed existence. Question is – do u ever work ??
    YOUR SAILING VIDEO WAS PRICELESS, LIKE HOLLYWOOD MOVIE.
    Vijay and others, use the invitation- send your email to the doc- abhi tak suna hi tha inkey vichaar- ab jaa key soorat vi dekho. Vadda handsome hain apne Mishraji, vaary dashing

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    keeping horrendously busy, but would like to join the fray in near future.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ ravi

    Binoy gave a decent example of how formal education does not neccesarily mean good social behaviour and values. His example of some NRI’s in the US using the net to lure underage girls for was perfectly valid in the context fo the arguement.

    But the way Niraodh Chaudhari reacted was as if to say visiting prostitutes is a hallmark of creativity and getting syphillis proves you are a good artist. His reaction at the use of net to entice underage girls for sex seems to reveal a lot about him.

    I hope he is careful and does no wrong to some innocent girl. As it is laws against such behaviour worldwide are only getting stronger.

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  • Ravi

    My name is Ravi – I am a mona Sikh from the UK

    Most of you are aware that, in almost every blog, my identity is questioned, I am labelled as a “fake Ravi”, the implication – which is most strongly cited by Vijay Kumar and B.V. Shenoy – is that I am a Pakistani Muslim, whose only objective here is to disgorge my anti India and anti Hindu sentiments.

    Balwinder Sandhu – without any context what so ever, posted this yesterday.

    Balwinder Sandhu says:
    August 22, 2011 at 9:54 pm
    continued- last time I asked a Pakistani to prove his identity here as we can prove ours- he chickened out – said he does not have land line. said he only had a company phone- now what was his name again ??

    Balwinder also published his email address, in this blog.

    I took the opportunity and forwarded some emails (10+) from my home PC, which – to a reasonable person – would provide ample proof of my Name, Identity, as well as other facts such as the school I attended.

    In one of these, I also gave the Name, Rank, and Service Number of my Late father.

    I did that in order to settle the issue of my identity once for all.

    That is what I hoped, however, I am pessimistic of achieving the desired outcome.

    Now that he has all the proof I am able to provide, if such baseless accusations continue, I hope you will forgive my retaliatory as well as abusive language, which would be borne out of frustration.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ravi

    This is unnecessary. You are falling prey to their attempt to rag you.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    If you are a Mona Sikh I am surprised that you approve of nirodh Choudhari’s attempts to paint and tar the entire Sikh community with accustaions of Kabutarbaaji, bad culture, terrorism and bad values.

    For me the Sikhs are the lifeline of India. At the forefront in the forces, sports and technology. Insutlign Sikhs is insulting india.

    Why should you agree with his attempts at regional and communal accusations?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I have had many battles with Shan on this issue, I have learnt to read between the lines rather than the lines themselves.

    Further more, what he says is a part of his feud with Balwinder.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    A lie is a lie. just because an idiot is sniping at your enemy does not make him less of an idiot.

    It is but obvious to all that he is a Nirodh Chaudhari clone, who can see no wrong in Angla saxon societies and would love to be a gungadeem of Kipling willing ot lay his life serving the Queen’s cause.

    Unfortunately the Brits that I know, are themselves embarrased by the attitude of certain subjects which the empire once ruled :D

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    There is only one village idiot among them, and that is not Shan.

    I am happy to tolerate some mindless exagerations because I am confident of some gems in almost every blog.

    There is a technique in understanding Shan, and this blog would be a better place if you were to master that.

    The less people abuse him, the less he will retaliate and better this blog would become.

    Just look at Ashish, the way he side steps the carping and goes for the issues.

  • shan

    @Haryana Khap intellect ONE IS NOT TALKING OR INTERESTED IN ONE’S PENCHANT FOR PROSTITUTES , WE ARE INTERESTED IN THE INTELLECT because in matters INTELLECTUAL you need INTELLECT and not MORAL GUARDIAN.

    YOUR KHAP DOES JUST , TRIES TO IMPOSE ITS MORAL , WHICH IS IMMORAL IN KILLING COURTING COUPLES FROM SAME VILLAGE.

    No wonder you have such a warped brain, KHAP TYPE

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Ho HO HO !! Shri nirodh ko Mirchi lag gayii :D :D

    Sir Nirodh, Vijay is Punjabi now in Delhi… u r far of target :D : No intellect. DOnt even remember I told you this in the last blog… :D

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  • Ashish

    @Shan,
    I saw this just now.
    shan Reply:
    August 23rd, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    @Ashish SOME MORE REALLY THE BIG IDEAS that should get precedence

    !. FOOD FOR ALL FOR 365 DAYS
    2. ABOLISHMENT OF CASTE
    3.COMPULSORY ENGLISH MEDIUM EDUCATION FOR ALL

    No wonder an academic from Yale in NDTV commented THIS IS PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYED MIDDLE CLASS taking out its anger having had to interact with govt depts. prior to 1990 MOST EMPLOYMENT IN MIDDLE CLASS WERE GOVT GENERATED , thus you dont bite the hand that feeds you.
    Who decides which ideas get precedence? Indeed, which ideas get to be even discussed?
    Oh, we have many issues- let’s solve one. Seems like the nation is caught up in the corruption debate; big issue. Let’s solve it rather than bring twenty more to the table.
    As for this Yale based academic, we have had a surfeit of such intellectual farters in our own JNU; thank you. Is he saying that folks employed in government/ public sector have no problems with corruption or are perfectly happy with Kalmadi/ Raja./ Koda/ Chavan/ Praful Patel/ Mayawati/ Yeddy….looting the country and keeping the Swiss banks in business?

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    shan Reply:

    @ashish, The question that Yale academic(he is not gora , he is brown) was trying to address is WHY SUDDENLY THIS SURGE , CORRUPTION WAS NOT BORN IN THE YEAR 2011.
    To be honest probably it is if anything slightly less . Therefore one has to concur with his conclusions.
    As for the LIST OF ISSUES, there is a thing called ORDER OF PRIORITY.

    My problem with this Anna business is it SMACKS OF MEDIA CIRCUS, and an almost CHILD LIKE APPROACH TO SUCH A DIFFICULT PROBLEM

    like advising people to abstinate as a measure for POPULATION CONTROL
    or mary antoinette telling the hungry mob outside bastille , IF THEY CANNOT GET BREAD WHY CANT THEY EAT CAKE

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    Ashish Reply:

    I don’t care if he is brown or black or white or indeed if he wears his chaddis on top of his trousers..

    Who says corruption is, “if anything, slightly less today?”.

    Bofors was only 64 crores.. in between Bangaru Laxman (stupid unambitious man without a vision :-D ) was a couple of lakhs. Then came Lalu with 900 crores, Koda with 4000 crores and now, we first hear of CWG – where if you believe Diggy, there was zero corruption, if you believe Vijay, it was 500 crores and if you believe CAG, it was in tens of thousands of crores between Dheela Dixit and Kalmadi and Gill and Jaipal Reddy. Oh, and yes, I forgot 2G- where if you believe Sibal, it was 76000 crores, if you believe Shourie, it was 30000 crores and if you believe CAG, it was 1,76,000 crores.

    Make no mistake, media circus would not have worked without the deep public anger which is welling up for years together and finally 2010/11 events have tested even the most cynical or stoic.

    Arre baba, Anna may be a simpleton, but, Bedi, Bhushan and Kejriwal (especially him) are not. Arvind Kejriwal is a IIT-KGP alumnus and has long and distnguished activism behind him. Anna provides the atmospherics and mobilization, these back-room boys play the real hard-ball.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    When there are 20 or major issues to choose from, the choice on makes is indicative of ones objectives, both declared and the undeclared.

    Anna’s choice may be innocent of political shenanigans, but those around him are more than aware the damage it is causing the ruling coalition.

    A lot of the criticism must be seen in this light.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi, sure. From a beehive, you are free to get honey as well as the wax..
    Anna and his team are happy to get the honey (a strong anti-corruption drive – Lokpal or not); if in the process, BJP makes off with the wax from the beehive, that’s only Congress’ loss.
    Ruling coalition?? DMK? – most leaders will be nehind bars soon. NCP? How long before Praful Patel meets the fate of Maran? Or indeed Supriya Sule or even her dear father?
    I am actually pinning my hopes on a certain honourable gentleman called Amar Singh to sing under oath- I want to know who masterminded the plot to buy MPs during the UPA-I ’s trust vote.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, you being an avid reader of THE ECONOMIST , should not make the mistake of SWEEPING GENERALISATION.
    REGARDING 2G scam , lets get to the bare bone.
    What is the bone of contention, THAT GOVT SOLD THE LICENCES CHEAP. Well that is GOI for you, they are MORONS, this 1lakh 26thousand CRORE is a guessestimate. I do not know what they are trying to say. My guess is what HINDSIGHT ENABLED POINTED HEADS are saying if govt stipulated that a certain percentage of share is kept in govt hands or a percentage of profit to be returned to govt then GOI would have harvested that money.
    NOW THIS MAY BE RANK STUPIDITY.
    The KOSHER corruption is bringing forward the last date of submission and 400 CRORES in Raja/kanimoji’s SUN tv’s kitty.
    This whole thing happened because india is governed by KHAP VIJAY and his likes of pseudo , fake patriots and flag wavers.
    As you are aware NOT A SINGLE INDIAN COMPANY HAD ANY TECHNICAL KNOW HOW TO PROVIDE MOBILE TELEPHONY SERVICES.
    Now GOI should have gone for INTERNATIONAL OPEN AUCTION FOR LICENSING just like in UK.
    Instead it doled out licenses in a CORRUPTION FRIENDLY FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS , WITHOUT OPEN AUCTION
    These FALTU companies were like a DALAL, getting the licensesFOR THE WHITE WESTERN TECHO MAJORS as they were barred from bidding for licences.
    Lets pay our tribute once more to Dr samuel Johnson “PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL” it turns out in 2G case FIRST REFUGE OF THE SCOUNDRELS

    Ashish Reply:

    Shan,
    this is really tiresome.
    Not a single Indian company had the technical knowhow to provide mobile telephony services. Huh? What are you smoking, dude?
    Even Kapil Sibal agrees that the numbers that the GOI lost were huge (is 30000 crores small?) – it is pretty well established that the decision was fraudulent, bypassed established, even commonsense principles, favoured some at the expense of others. It is simply inconceivable that the GOI did this “first past the post” allocation of spectrum keeping some bidders in the dark and no one made any money out of it.
    I am sure the courts will get to the bottom of this.
    And, what is this about khap and Vijay? Can you not post for once without firing off a random shotgun burst? No, don’t answer that. I guess we all know the answer.

    shan Reply:

    @ashish, before getting too animated why dont you just provide me the name of the company which had technical know how in moblie telephony. Those words were not mine , I HEARD THOSE EXACT WORDS UTTERED BY SIBAL ON NDTV.

    Ashish Reply:

    Shan,
    that really made me smile; you believe Sibal?
    Airtel, Tata, Idea, Aircel, Shyam, MTNL… you need more names?
    Cellular technology- especially deployment – is commodity- no rocket science.

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish each and every company you mention have OUTSOURCED YES OUTSOURCED YES OUTSOURCED the TECHNOLOGY , ONLY VENDING BIT IS THEIR OWN
    This is Airtel
    It is known for being the first mobile phone company in the world to outsource everything except marketing and sales and finance. Its network (base stations, microwave links, etc.) are maintained by Ericsson, Nokia Siemens Network and Huawei,[4] business support by IBM and transmission towers by another company (Bharti Infratel Ltd. in India).[5] Ericsson agreed for the first time, to be paid by the minute for installation and maintenance of their equipment rather than being paid up front
    This is Idea cellular
    In 2000, Tata Cellular was a company providing mobile services in Andhra Pradesh. When Birla-AT&T brought Maharashtra and Gujarat to the table, the merger of these two entities was a reality. Thus Birla-Tata-AT&T, popularly known as Batata, was born and was later branded as !dea.

    WHAT DO YOU THING WAS THE ROLE OF AT&T , making khaini for kumarmangalam birla
    WAKEY WAKEY
    Each and every company you mention has similar tie up (READ TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE TECHNOLOGY on the GORA COMPANIES, unless khap vijay is going to step in with tje flag)

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    All or most of the telecom equipment vendors that you mentioned have Indian software running in their hardware starting from Network management to billing softwares.

    Ashish Reply:

    Shan,
    permit me to say, Haye Bhogoban (bhagwan)..
    just the point; cellular technology is now totally commoditized- it is not that Airtel did not have the technology, it is that they found this to be a better business model. If I follow your logic, then no telecom operator anywhere in the world has any technology- it buys towers from someone, BTS from someone else, NMS from someone else, billing software from someone else and gets a consultant who has done this 100s of times in other parts of the world to put this together and lo and behold- you have network rollout.
    Who would like to re-invent the wheel?
    BTW, within the BTS, some parts may be made in Malaysia, some in US, some in Finland.. who cares?
    And, Prabhat makes a great point too- not all IP (intellectual property) is visible as a brand.

    shan Reply:

    @prabhat, billing software can be outsourced from bangladesh , I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN HARDWARE, and in that front indian companies are 100 yrs behind. AT&T , Bell Labs , sprint Verizon , Nokia , Ericcson THEY ARE MAN UNITED ARSENAL BARCELONA in technology , compared to indian football clubs , Dempo , or Churchill brothers etc .
    As for software the nokis phones run on SYMBIAN software which is a british company.
    All the tablets are now going to use ANDROID devoloped by google , apple uses its own software for Iphone.
    Why cant you educate me which indian company has devoloped ONE MOBILE TELEPHONY HARDWARE,(I am not talking about the steel tower)
    Pride is good ,FALSE PRIDE is dangerous

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    India is not strong in hardware because of deficit in manufacturing sector. We too are not good at marketing Industrial goods. We do not have resources to manufacturing the volumes.

    ********
    Since you are insisting to know :

    Mind Tree shipped more than 45 million white labeled CDMA handsets to west.. They are in trouble because they do not have the resources to move to the next level. This smartphone was completely designed in India.

    *******

    Many critical softwares for Intelligent Network Management in Routers are done by Indian companies.

    You must not compare AT&T and Bell Lab with Indian companies.

    But you must also feel good about Indian Project Managements – RIL Patala ganga Project was done in 18 months while the world wide benchmark was 84 months ! Reliance and Baharti’s Roll out of Telecom infrastructure also set a new benchmark.

    Time you took a fresh look at a country called India.

    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , i researched the mindtree phones .These are of VERY Limited use sat phones, for which they have REWORKED the Printed Circuit Board ,Added lot of software.
    This is highly laudable , STILL IT IS WHAT IT IS, SUBCONTRACT from a Major player.
    UNLESS INDIA DEVOLOPES ITS PROWESS IN SUBMICRON CHIP TECHNOLOGY , it will continue to play SECOND FIDDLE. but we live in hope , THE CULTURE MAY CHANGE

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    You are not able to appreciate the power of marketing. Inspite of great talent Indian companies are not able to produce shrink-wrapped software. it’s not about talent. It’s about marketing. To produce anything of substance at a certain economy level and then market that calls for huge resources. India as a country just started tasting success, after ninties.

    Give India some time, you will have your wishlist fulfilled.

    [ India is still struggling with pathetic politicians in 21st century who instead of talking economics, will ask you "do you know your religion?" ]

    shan Reply:

    @prabhat , when Morita started SONY corporation , used to stay in cheap hotels in USA , BUT BOUGHT THE PATENT OF TRANSISTOR FOR 20000DOLLARS from westinghouse.
    He has written they used to inscribe made in japan in tiny letters so as to be inconspicous.
    Japan also had severe foreign exchange restrictions , thus they could not import technology all and sundry HOW DID SONY DO IT. By sheer research , he has given the details of their frustrations in trying to devolope PORTABLE CASETTE RECORDER. This is a REAL COMPANY , not the crony capitalism that so much keeps binoy , ashish ,khap ,transfixed

  • vijay kumar

    Nirodh Choudahri made an unfair accusation against Balwinder about his age.

    I think if you are 75 and in total touch with events and keep joking as Balwinder does…. you have full reason to be proud. In fact 74 yr old Anna is about to change our lives in India. :D

    And yes, if you are 45 and keep cribbing and crying as certain Nirodh Choudhari clones do… well you hae full reason to be ashamed. :D :D

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Arundati Roy- disagree with her 97% of the time, it is the 3 % of the time that she spaeks the truth brilliantly, mandates that she must NOT be silenced.
    Sentence her for sedition ( I think she has committed it a few times) but let her write even from jail- for that 3 % is valuable.
    She has got it wrong on Anna- http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2379704.ece

    But she was so brilliantly right on the Maoists- Walking with comrades- which should be mandatory reading for every blogger here, and every industrialist and minister- http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264738
    Do people know that the SALWA JADUM got banned in 2011 by SC- Arundati was right on that one

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    an unusual sentence in India Today caught my attention-
    ‘ Take the case of Raghu Kumar, 24, who usually sits on a traffic signal in north Delhi and sells cigarettes. I pay Rs 300 every week to the police. Besides, they even take cigarettes and other stuff for free, saying it is because of them that I could sell these things. With Anna, now even I can raise my voice against corruption.”

    IS THERE NO ASPECT OF INDIAN LIFE FREE FROM CORRUPTION ???

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/anna-hazare-fast-ramlila-maidan/1/148941.html

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    Ashish Reply:

    Dr Mishra,
    simply, NO.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Dr mishra

    Efven on this blog you will see corruption in certain minds. For example, slavery and willing to serve the Anglo Saxon ideal by telling lies is also corruption of the mind

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Balwinder, glad you liked my sailing video and thx for your kind words. I post these things to motivate others as also to highlight the fact that India with its mega long coastline is a 5 billion $ industry in the making.
    This Anna phenomenon may ensure that when sailing/ diving/ surfing industry finally takes off, it will be free of corruption in its safety aspects which is mandatory in these somewhat risky sports, esp diving. There will be need of national sporting regulatory AND accreditation bodies on the lines of PADI (diving) and RYA (SAILING)
    If anyone else is interested please send your email and then get a welcome to my world

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  • Binoy Hegde

    vijay/Shn/Ravi/ashish

    I wrote about these six Indian men geting caught for soliciting sex with under age girls (whom they connected with thru net, under the survellience of a sting operation)/.

    Only Vijay and Mohan read it fully in the right contextual framework. I was referring to the comment that Anna is not educated, that he is an illiterate Hawaldar (sort of to quote what Shan mentioned about him) .. and I was just giving an example of “Indian attitude about education, and the belief some/many Indians have that because they are educaed, theyare a diffrentbreed; , above the law even if they are caught for a crime like soliciting an underage girl..

    I did not talk about prostitution/visiting prostitutes (these girls wre not protitutes, per the chat, the Indian men (and other men in the sting) just wanted under age girls)… And when they w ere caught, they gave the rationale/excuse that they are good people, from good family and “highly educated”…

    Shan, as ussual, jumped on without reading; Ravi , as uual, wanted to give it a “larger dimension of what type of men India is producing…”large numbers of sexual deviants i India etc….”

    (another note to Shan — you do not have to be an expert on everything… President Bush (jr) spent his school years in Texas, in Midland and in Houston. He studied in Texas from KG to 9th grade, then went to private school (what we call “public school” in India!) in the east coast.. His dad, the first pres Bush moved to texas in 1948 to start an oil business (Zapata Oil Co) when Junior Bush was4 years old. Junior Bush considers himself a Texan, his retirement home is in Texas, and his vacation home when he was in the White House was also in a remote Texas ranch. Junior Bush contested for a House of represenattive seat from Midland, Tx (his school town) in 1978 and lost. He later bought the Texas Rangers basebal team.
    Other than his first four years of his life he never lived in the East Coast (except as the President )..he aways lived and continue to live in Texas)

    Another note– no political observer (as well as the senior Bush and his family) ever thought Bush jr will be interested in politics or will want to be or will become President. The observers, pundits, and the family always believed the younger brother of junior Bush, Jeb Bush, the ex governor of florida, will become senaor and President. Jeb Bush’ political future is doomed for ever now beacuse of his elder brother George Bush)

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    shan Reply:

    @binoy Hegde, I was right about bush’s tracing their ancestry to the original settlers
    Richard Bush (c. 1696–1732 in Bristol, Plymouth Colony) is believed to be the earliest known patrilineal member of the Bush family. He lived in North America.

    They are originally from Connecticut ,HE WAS BORN IN CONNECTICUT, several generation and all the branches are there.I may grow up in bengaluru , deosn’t make me a kannada , does it.
    Similarly george was considered an OUTSIDER , at least if you watch OLIVER STONE’S FILM “W”
    If I get hold of the DVD , i will quote the exact dialogue to support the veracity of my statement.
    Next is education and sex. Education is only consideration when we discuss matters needing educationalbackground. This has nothing to do with normal/abnormal sexual drives of an individual.
    As the saying goes RATHER HAVE AN INTELLIGENT FOE THAN A STUPID FRIEND

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Oliver Stone is a nobody in USA. And his movies dont even run any more. He is a man with a political angle, with his own theories on kennedy killing, Vietnam, Pres Bush etc. The only thing I can say is do not quote him if you want to come across intelligent. .

    Bush hated east coast intellectuals..For all practical purposes he is a Texan.. His wife is a Texan. His fater lives in texas; since he moved theer when Bush jr was 4 yrs old; and he livs i Dallas, Tx. The Presidential libraries of both these presidents are in Texas (generally the presidential libraries are built in the home sattes of the presidents as expressed by the president… It is built when the President is alive, at the suggestion of the Presidenta sto waht his “home state” is– Clinton’s is in Arkansas, Reagan in California, Ford in Michigan, CArter in Georgia, nixon in Calif etc )..

    US does not have different languages , only accents; unlike kannada in Banagaluru, Tamil in Chenni,, Bengali in West benagl etc…. Everybody celebrates Christmas (except pentecostals) and Thanksgiving; there are no regional celebrations (except reenactment of civil war)..Very rarely peopel idntify with their “born” state..

    All the barnches of Bush family are not in connecticut. yes he ws born there; but he moved to texas at age 4; he and his dad, the elder President Bush , also lives in Texas.

    Actually I ddi not want to respond to this; I will not be replying to any response you may have on this. ,

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  • http://- Rajeev

    What do you call a person-
    1. Who can afford three land lines?
    2. But still can’t afford a cell phone.
    3. Uses office cell phone.
    4. Uses office computer to post messages.
    5. Creates a fake email address (it is easy as IM terrorists have shown) and forwards it to others.

    I call that person COMPULSIVE LIAR.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Somnath Babu or is it Somnath Da , the self styled “Guru” of all Indian Parliamentarians , is deeply saddened , by the attack and weakening of Parliamentary democracy by Anna Hazare and his Supporters.
    Somnath Babu is reverred and feted by many , and of late more by the Congress party, after he bailed it out on many vital occasions. The Constitution says that once an MP gets elected as a Speaker , he ceases to be partisan. However this principle can be given a go-by , if it favours the “secular” parties. Somnath Da was a firm believer of this unwritten rule and less of the Constitutional Law.
    Somnath Babu presided over the Lok Sabha when the most shameful blot in the History of the Lok Sabha , the “Cash for Votes” scam took place , and what did he do about it ? Did he raise a voice when the Congress Party brought in Mani Shankar Iyer through the quota of 12 Nominated Members who enjoy eminence in Arts ,Literature , Culture. And there are many more such instances when Somnath Da prferred to remain silent . And not just Anna , Somnath Babu has also expressed his ire , many a time , at the Supreme Court for encroaching into the territory of the Lok Sabha.
    But the key issue is what did Somnath Chatterjee do to stregthen Parliamentary Democracy and its credibility ?
    Somnath Chatterjea is critical of Anna and his supporters for encouraging ” Law of the Street” rather than Law of the Constitution. Strange words coming from a Marxist , and ideolgy which roots for Total Revolution, power from the barrel of a gun, dictatorship if the proletariat and ………..withering away of the State.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Praveen,
    Somnath is gently walking into sunset (read that as lapsing into senility).. look forward to more such gems from the great man.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish,

    “Somnath is gently walking into sunset (read that as lapsing into senility)…….”

    AND IS MAKING A SHOW OF IT.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Did Mahajan enter the Parliament through Rajya Sabha because vajpayee started missing him in the parliament ?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Praveen

    All those people who are shedding tears about parliamentary deomcracy shed no tears when their parties elected murderers like Sajjan Kumar. DP YadaV, Mukhtar Ansari and the current CPM serial killer.

    They shed no tears when Mr Q ran away with crores. And Karauna payed in thousands of crores.

    They only laughed when Mrs Gandhi claimed that she was mother India… but in the end played other to Snjay and then Rajiv, at the cost of pther children.

    yes these guys who shed tears today have no problmes when parliamentary democracy is subverted by the likes of Digivinash to impose a CLOWN prince on all of us…

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  • vijay kumar

    It should read… Mrs Gandhi played mother to Sanjay and then rajiv, while rest of Indians were step children…

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay-

    All the Marxists were against mrs Gandhi’s “emergency”; most of the leaderswere arrested and in jail. (many of the leaders, including EMS and Jyotibasu were NOT against China during the 1962 China attack, in fact many even justified … VS Achuthanandan was against China on the attack, and he was suspended from the party for that!) …
    Also, I would not say she played step mother to the other children… She really believed she was doing good /right for India thru her “Garibi Hatao” progarms..

    And none of the Congress leaders said anything when Nehru dismissed the first EMS mInistry in kerla (the only and first opposition govt to Congress anywhere in India). Democracy was fine then.

    Where was the cry for democracy when polling booths were captured routinely during the pre- Sheshan days?
    Where was he cry for democarcy when Lalu employed Rabri as the CM?
    Where was the cry for democracy when Sanjiv Gandhi was dictating to bureaucrats?
    Where was the cry for democracy when six of Karunanidhi’s immediate family members contested parliament/assembly elections, and three became central ministes?

    In fact, we should start asking whether India needsthe democracy we have now. Or, should we have US type presidential system, or a Chinese type system, or a Singaporean System or something else.. A nation starts decline when it starts believing the current systems are sacrosanct.

    Well, in the Anna situation, all these guys, whether congress or non- congress, are afraid of losing their coveted positions and perks when Anna’s bill comes in (and if they are caught). So, it is a self preservation scheme …

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma and Prabhat

    Gentlemen, both of you had huge scepticism about Anna and his gang. And frankly I have no love for leftists like Prashant Bhushan who could not even recognise there was terrorism in Punjab but went all out at KPS Gill.

    However corruption was a cancer which was hitting all of us. Even though the figures of UPA corruption are grossly exaggerated, (70,000 crores + 1,76,000 crores etc) Tthe UPA is largely corrupt and now nikamma by keeping spokesmen as Manish Tewari and as insulting as Digvinash Singh.

    A huge good has emerged from Anna’s fast. The issue is on the table and in case a body as strong as he CAG is created to fight corrutpion we will have to rank Anna on the same level as Sardar Patel and Bhagat Singh.

    Hope you guys also revise your stance. DO YOU STILL HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE CONGRESS WILL TAKE ANY STEP WITHOUT AN ANNA LIKE KICK IN THE BUTT???

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay,

    A tipping point has reached; and an Anna was able to mobilize and put a face to the movement.
    One or other form of Lokpal has been languishing in parlaiment for years and years without action.
    Anna broughht a “here and now”. Once this is closed, Anna/others should take other serious issues – one area which I see will kill the country is this whole education business.

    BTW Arundhati and Mahesh Bhatt etc positions are understandable. I am wondering what Bhukari and Eli KAncha/Ram Punyani etc are thinking?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Let’s look at the education business.

    What should Anna propose ?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I have explained before time and again that the LokPal Bill was in drafting stage at NAC and was due to be presented to the Govt. for adoption like many other draft proposals. But you tend to ignore it completely and make assumption that the Congress party, Govt. and we heard about the LokPal Bill for the first time because of Anna. It may be true that the general public got to know of the LokPal Bill for the first time because of Anna. But a reasonable politically aware people have head about it before. Didn’t you ?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    The Lokpal bill was pending before Parliament for 42 yrs. The bill the COngress wanted to get was only under the pressure of real civil society, consisiting of you and me, and even people like Ramdev (who started the anti-corruption movement) his followers and most of all Anna Hazare and team.

    The Lokpal the Congress would have been basically to protect the Amar Singh’s and Digviajy SInghs as well protect protect the corruption of the Nehru family like what Rajiv and Mr Q did :D

    Who knows they might have just made Digvinash SIngh the Lok Pal ???

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I told you before, I like the present Congress team.

    NAC interfaced with the Govt. for RTI and RTE. NAC is engaged with the Govt. for right to Food Bill as well. NAC’s mandates are well publicised are under constant public scrutiny.

    There are few more in the pipeline. The land acquisition Policy is in quite advanced stage which promises 6x value to the farmers from its present compensation level.

    We have seen how fiercely Vajpayee guarded Quaterchi and Rajiv for 6 long years. Did Advani discuss with Vajpayee about Q and Bofors in those 6 years or thereafter ? Oh! sorry ! I forgot Advani did not even get to know about many cabinet decisions !!!

    DigVijay as LokPal ?

    Nah ! How about Babubhai Katara ?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    :P having baithaks in five stars is good as spending creates employment is a basic capitalist postulate ;)

    Chinatan for me in a five star is CHINese + TANdoori :D

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    Well said !! Somewhere in my opinion you manage to articulate the feelings of the common Indian, which the press and the English media deliberately don’t !

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  • Mohan R

    Very nice rebutal to Ms. Roy’s article.

    http://clearvisor.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/why-i%E2%80%99d-rather-be-anna-than-arundhati/

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    brilliant- bhaut vadia

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  • Mohan R

    Surprising here in Dubai where protests are not allowed, about 100-120 people came out
    in support of Anna carrying placards and shouting slogans against Indian government.
    Though they were immidiately dispersed by the police but one could feel the resentment
    against the current government.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Protests are not allowed in Dubai or one has to take prior permission ?

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  • Mohan R

    Protests are not allowed. You wont get the permission.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Mohan

    Arundhatoi goes crazy when she sees one Indian flag — just imagine when she sees all these flags , carried by men, women, children. Yes, it is nazism, “aggressive nationalism”……

    She is a “sour grapes” story… She the beautiful, “educated”, “sophisticated”, is never able to pull more than 50 people..and here this 74 yr old man who acnnot speak English is pulling crowds…people going gaga for him..

    I was proud of her as a daughter of Kerala, when she got the booker prize. But Ifelt bad after I read the book. She had to portray EMS , a respected, clean Marxist politician (who had donated all his vast land hldings for the party) as a Kerala Mao tse Tung– she had to bring untouchability and cvaste issues (to a palce where casteism had disappeared long ago due to Leftist, church, and Travanvcore king’s progarms); and worse she had to drag Velutha, a dark dalit to Ammu , apparently her mother figure…She named the dark dalit “velutha” (white), not “karuppa” (dark)….anything for a book; for the west likes the book against leftism, about Indias untouchability, about the plight of “velthas”….all ingredients for Booker prize….

    A one book person, may be she peaked too early…….

    her mother Mary Roy has done more than her for people. She filed and won landmark cases in the Kerala High court/Indian Supreme court regarding family inheritance for Syrian Christian women — only sons were eligible for partition of land until then.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    @Gopi luvly summary of Arundati- “”"A one book person, may be she peaked too early”"”
    Do you agree with mishra doc that 3% of the time she speaks brilliantly on country
    I fimally read the article he quoted in outlook- Walking with comrades- very one sided , making out as if adivasis can do no wrong when in fact they are slitting throats and torturing informers
    but yes, some of the hunger and alienation she talks about is very hard hitting
    what do others think

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Mohan R has provided a BRILLIANT link above- that author totally demolishes Arundati

    Mohan R Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Tks. I always though she is a fake.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    You are right… It is jealousy which makes her deride Anna so much. And ti is lov for publicity which makes her support geelani and his team of Pakistani terrorists

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Actually both Arundhati and Anna surprisingly are birds of the same feather.

    Both are rebels. Both are rigid and resort to unconventional utterances and methods.

    Both don’t care much to what the World thinks of them.

    Both are aggressive and do not believe in persuasion.

    All of you like Anna and hate Arundhati, because one is on your side and the other one is not.

    You would love the Arundhati as much if she were on your side for the same reason that you love Anna – rebelling against the system.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Prabhat says “”"@ Gopi- Let’s look at the education business. What should Anna propose ?”"”

    Prabhat, Anna is not supposed to, or is being asked to do every thing for country.
    others should also pull their weight- here i mean guvmint

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    That was my query to Gopi’s proposal :

    “….Once this is closed, Anna/others should take other serious issues – one area which I see will kill the country is this whole education business. ….”

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    guys lets focus on topic and not bring our own biases into every thread or comment made here

    I refer to Hegde’s wise comment above- “”"Shan, as ussual, jumped on without reading; Ravi , as uual, wanted to give it a “larger dimension of what type of men India is producing…”large numbers of sexual deviants i India etc….”

    (another note to Shan — you do not have to be an expert on everything”"”

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    with the deluge of inane comments, the gems get hidden
    INCIDENTALLY, RAVI HAS SENT ME 12 EMAILS with some ?evidence. I will go through them and let all bloggers know whether he is really-
    1. Indian punjabi
    2. resident of UK
    3 of middle age

    There will be complete honesty from my side and I will also respect Ravi’s privacy by not divulging his email address or his personal details. If ravi has taken so much effort, I will respect his intention.
    CEASEFIRE FROM MY SIDE TO BOTH SHAN AND RAVI – you are free from my jokes, maybe forever. although some on this blog will miss them

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    shan Reply:

    clownspeak

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    so now I have emails of 2 individuals- and some of their personal details
    ravi and Dr Mishra
    Again I cannot reveal too much about Dr MISHRA but I must say humbly that there is lot of accomplishment hidden there- I am still going through his family website
    eg, he actually wrote an editorial in an international medical journal and he seems to be a chess genius
    I will organise party at Clay Oven for all bloggers here- vegetarian but with lot of lassi on the side
    hehe

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  • Mohan R

    Balwinderji,

    Vegeterian and lassi ? I sm sorry please count me out . :)

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  • Mohan R

    PM has refered the Janlokpal to standing commitee which is headed by Manu Singvi
    and few of the members of this commitee are
    Manish Tiwari
    Laloo Prasad Yadav
    Amar Singh
    Ramvilas Paswan
    Ram Jethmalani

    Can we realy trust this commitee to act against corruption ?

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    shan Reply:

    NO WE DEFINITELY CANT, This CONgress is dragging its heels (UNDER PRESSURE FROM AMBANIS , BIRLAS ETC), WHY CANT IT APPOINT A COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF soli Sorabjee,
    nilekani, mohandas pai, Azim premji, , harish salve , debraj roy , prof amartya sen(if he can afford some time)

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    This is a Parliamentary Standing Committee. MP’s got to be part of the committee. Private citizens definitely can send in their views.

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , IT IS NOT MANDATORY THAT IT BE SENT TO STANDING COMMITTEE ,given it comprises of such RATNAS. let a committee made up private citizens REFINE POLISH and then send it to parliament for TOKEN DEBATE,and pass it.
    this is nothing unique ,it is done all the time in UK. Lot of TECHNOLOGY BILLS needing technical expertise is “outsourced” from academics and then introduced into parliament

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Shan

    True, it is not mandatory. However, given the complexity of any bill, it is prudent for it to be referred to the standing committee (consisting of members across party lines, who are knowledgeable experts on the subject matter at hand). Otherwise, it will be chaos when 500+ members start debating it and the bill may never see the light of the day.

    Sure, outside experts can be consulted and I suppose they do, but not the Kejriwal & Co types, who are using Anna Hazare’s shoulders to brow beat the Government/Parliament – it is our version of the bill or else. Tomorrow, another group of people with vested interests will get hold of some other Anna Hazare and start making unreasonable demands.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    An MP’s salary is about a lakh rupees a month. To get elected he spends about 10-15 crores per constitiuency and maybe more.

    Very very baffling :D

    just proves that people like Amar Singh, Digviansh Singh, Rahul gandhi, Lalu yadav are very very serious about serving the people….. :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    That’s why each MP is given 2 crores as developmental fund. Now election commission is monitoring the expenditure carefully, even the paid news on channels.

    “….just proves that people like Amar Singh, Digviansh Singh, Rahul gandhi, Lalu yadav are very very serious about serving the people….. :”

    - Same goes for the names from BJP you selectively forgot to mention.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    We know Amar Singh made his thousands of crores thru kickbacks and dalali.

    Lalu got t from Fodder and other scams.

    I was particulary worried about rahul as he has no known sources of income, beyond the royalty of a few books his great grandfather wrote. It must be tough getting the money for fighting the elections and spending 40-50 crores. I am sure the roylaty must be huge :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Some prominent party “suddenly ” having chintan biathak in 5 start hotels thanks to some corporates and tentwallas. And thanks to…

  • vijay kumar

    Most likely the cONGRESS GOVERNMENT WILL want to play this the way they did to Ramdev..

    But since the spark has been lit all over the country… The Congress should look at full defeat, even if it is able to ward of the Anna threat…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Since BJP declared yesterday that they can never accept few points in Jan Lok Pal Bill and few points modified, today Anna’s teams delivered a modified version promptly.

    Sharad Power, Rao could have changed the complexion of the movement completely.

    The present UPA team believes in managing the reality, not the perception. A hardcore politician is always adept in handling the perception.

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  • rajmohan

    Prabhat..your teaser to Gopi about the education business..though it was meant as a dig at the sheep mentality of the supporters of Anna Team there was an involuntary admission of Anna as the Messiah .
    Was that deliberate or a stirrer?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajmohan

    You got it absolutely wrong.

    I have some passing interest in educational business. i wanted to know what Gopi was thinking about this domain in general.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Isnt the referring /drafting of Lokpal bill to a committe consisting of Lalu, Paswan, and Amar singh (Mohan – Manish tewari and Jethmalini may be a bit crazy, i do not think they are corrupt) akin to giving the key of the blood bank to Dracula…

    No wonder people are agitated… Drafting/approval to Lalu? Amar Singh? Paswan!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    You got few names that are sensational in nature. I am sure there are others. Your country and the Parliament have survived and progressed so far inspite of these blog-shattering names.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Prabhat —

    Of course, we have achieved a lot “despite” ….

    But from a pure image perspective; would nt people conceive this as another bungling by UPA (even if that is the process that things go to whatever committee…)..Here are two men (Amar Singh, Lalu) who are involved in too many shady things as we speak, hitting newspaper columns… Yes theer may be other honest p[eople in the committee.. Dont you think UPA is behaving either tone deaf or witha “do not care” attitude..They are working overtime to screw up every opportunity they get to starighten..

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Didnt understand what you meant by “parliament has progressed”… I uderstand the country notion

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    I was juggling between my post and the kitchen…wanted to write somethingelse about the parliament…but suddenly wanted to cut-short….then alas…the enter button was pressed…too many hazards while typing with a single finger. hope you got the sense

    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Prabhat–

    Have a good snack..

    It is about 2PM for us (have to follow Anna, and cannot be corrupt; so shouldnt spend time on blog, have to get back to work)… Catch up later..

    Hoping that parties can come together (this should not have been an issue with irreconciliable differences, the only issue should have been how soon to implement, what are the high priorty areaas to be implemented first etc; but that congress will turn this into us vs them is totally stupid)

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    not ‘inspite of’, Prabhat, ‘despite of’. Your defence of the character, probity and intelligence of the slime balls in our Parliament, is inexplicable
    If you need to send your kids to school do you choose DPS or send them to a municipality school ?
    Our country deserves the best, the time for slime and mediocrity is over. I share the deep unease felt by Vijay, Mohan and Binoy.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Binoy, great that both you and I independently said the same thing simultaneously

    shan Reply:

    Lecturing , grandstanding and high sounding words in blogs DO NOT INCUR TAXES , nor add to the debate ,it is a selfagrandisement

  • vijay kumar

    @ Binoy

    I think as a people we are evolving into a very stubborn fractitious species. Nothing comes here without a fight, unfortunately.

    The Congress should have seized this as an opportunity. Instead they are determined to throw muck on the aspirations of the crores who want a corruption free India– calling htem CIA agents, RSS, Modi lovers, corrupt to the core, unparliamentary… and what not.

    the central issue of corruption will be treated the way dracula treats his victims. Absolute disdain…

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Binoy

    Dont be too kind to lawyers. hey get away with a lot of moral corrutpion becasue fo tehir black hoods. Most of them suggest the loopholes to the clients as well as suggest fake arguements for them to beat the law books.

    Jethmalani would defend Haji mastan and get him free all the time knowing that Mastan was intimidating, scaring and buying witnesses. He tried the same stunt in the jessica lal case, by suggesting that a “tall Sikh in a red turban fired the shots and disappeared.’

    You can’t absolve lawyers simply by saying that they are above the law and can use any means to serve their clients.

    I personally knwo that a Very very prominent lawyer who was in the government was also advising the nandas in the BMW case. he created the whoel Kulkarni stroy to create a red herring to confuse the public and the media. Why should not lawyers be punished?

    And so too judges like KGB and Justice Sabharwal who demolished Delhi whiloe all the time his nikamma sons were taking loans from Mall builders like BPTP and also taking favours from Amar Singh Dalal thru huge allotments literally free in Noida.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Dr Mishra

    generally for my curiosity… which area of medicine are you involved in??/

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  • Prabhat

    @ Shan

    R&D and innovations are yet to be institutionalised in India. Most of innovations are coming from the individuals. We are still at the nascent stage as far as innovation DNA is concerned. But our “jugaad” mindset will take us on the eventual path of great breakthoughs. We just need few success stories. ( Just one win in 1983 made India a huge cricketing nation. )

    Here a link to some great grassroot innovations by rural folks : ( visit http://www.nif.org.in for more details )

    http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-amazing-innovations-from-rural-india/20110316.htm

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , I was aware of these innovation by shall we say “eccentrics”. I am talking about R&D in your Godrej, Tata , Ambani ,Birla etc. The answer is zilch
    Only original R&D is in the pharma , like Dr Reddy’s Lab.They have synthesised few molecules . sadly couldn’t pass through phase 2 trial.
    I think there is NO CULTURE of R&D , and also despite Govt tries to encourage this is misused.
    You know India is in paleolithic age in OPTICS AND LENS MAKING. So govt gives huge subsidy to export Lens.Marwaris of calcutta were milking this scheme., till it was caught that they were exporting GLASS to singapore and claiming Govt subsidy , by connivance with corrupt govt officials.
    I think for some reason the consignment was opened by customs and the crookery came to light

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    There are few attempts being made at Reliance Life Sciences. Biocon too made few laudable efforts.

    RIL is well known for their Process innovations. Rengineering a small car called Nano from scratch was just there for the World to appreciate.

    Defence and Space Labs have given few good products in recent years.

    Tringme (dot com), a single man’s effort is now quite popular even with Tech giant IBM !

    Infosys now has 27% revenue from consultancy services ! That’s not R&D. But it shows how Indian companies are eager to move up on the value chain and compete with the best in the World.

    India has become favourite creative shop for the World’s advertising industry. Indian fashions and movies are becoming darling of the World.

    Shan, this a transitional phase. Enjoy this journey.

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  • Manohar_T

    Vinodji

    Surely, Anna Hazare is being used by M/s Kejriwal, Bedi, Bhushans & Co., who to me seem to have become megalomaniacs.

    As Bal Thackeray has said today (spoke sense after a long time) – Anna Hazare should end his fast and let Kejriwal & Co. fast instead.

    The other point is how long there will be massive support for his movement. The longer it gets (and it will), fatigue is sure to set in and the crowds will start getting thinner.

    Even if the parliament passes the Lok Pal with many of the provisions as demanded by this coterie, someone is sure to challenge it in Supreme Court. The judges will throw out any unconstitutional provisions. Who then this gang will appeal to?

    Finally, Kejriwal and Sisodiya run NGOs and do not want the NGOs to be investigated by the proposed Lok Pal. Do I smell a rat here?

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Manohar

    My take is that if the NGO does not get any funding from govt, and if they are filing the required annual filings, there is no need for any investigation, unless they are gtting into criminal activities like kidney shipping..

    Let us first take care of state funds looting.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Corruption is just not limited to the financial irregularities.

    Raja would still be part of a corrupt practice,( even if he had not accepted money) for helping his industry friends with out of turn favours.

    The net is just getting wider.

    [ I invite people to read charter of CVC what are the practices it considers to be corruption. Very interesting. ]

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Binoy

    The institution of the Lok Pal, in whatever avatar, will only act as a deterrent to a very limited extent. Lok Pal comes in the picture after the ‘deed’ is done.

    To reduce corruption (as old as the mankind) –
    01) State funding of electoral expenses.
    02) Political parties must not put up candidates with questionable credentials.
    03) Greater transparency in the working of the Government.
    04) Reduce discretionary powers of the decision powers.

    This may sound Utopian, but there is no other way.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Correction

    04) Reduce discretionary powers of the decision makers.

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @Vijay, to answer your question about which area of medicine I specialise in, send me your email as I am reluctant to reveal all in a public forum. I will send you links to my chess games, sailing and diving videos and more.

    But I do have a special specialisation– now thats a mouthful- I inject SWAABHIMAAN in many Indians who, perhaps as a result of centuries of colonisation, suffer from an inferiority complex. For example, hiring foreign coaches in cricket annoys me. If someone is excellent , then yes, but I dont think Reid and that idiot Chapell were justified, and Duncan Fletcher is mediocre.
    Who taught Gavaskar, Tendulkar and Dravid how to bat?

    I have also noticed 2 other doctors here with this specialism- GOPI THOMAS AND SHOEB- I find their posts very positive and uplifting, full of swaabhimaan.

    By the way, these injections are free, although I am sure you would have heard some on this blog howling in pain when their bottoms were being jabbed, haha

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    R&D- IN INDIA”””””””””
    @Prabhat, the R&D revolution is finally taking off in India. Within 20 years we will be a world leader. Last month on my trip to India I caught up with an old friend, several years my junior at AIIMS, who has relocated from USA where he was •Head, Global Clinical Development and Medical Affairs – Biopharmaceuticals at Sandoz Pharmaceuticals – to head Novartis’ new 200 member scientist team at Hyderabad.
    http://in.linkedin.com/pub/shreeram-aradhye/5/3b9/80a

    These are very exciting times for India

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    All the American pharmaceutical giants – Pfizer, lilly- are moving more and more of their R&D to India.

    GE’s largest R&D center is in India..

    It is a question of time (short time) when original and applied reserach will flourish in India.

    It is also question ofe conomics. Just like the pop[ulatin percentage working in the agriculture activityshrunk, lust like manufacturing shrunk, so also high end activity like research, analytics etc is shrinking here.. hollowing out everything in the “middle”, leaving a lot of poor people and a very very small percentage of extremely wealthy people…

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Sitting in New York, reading the news from india and the newspapers here, I wonder what is the issue for govt to endorse everything what Anna wants.

    His methods may be questionable, but, is he asking for “bad” things? Is he exhorting money? Is he looting the state treasury? And what is wrong if bad people get punished for their deeds?.

    The longer this tussle stays, the worse it for India, and Indian image..World knows we are thick in corruption – all the newspapers here covered the gigantic telecom sectrum deals, sports stadium issues , mining goldmines etc. and the movement against this prvasive corruption. – and the world knows the politicians and govt did not want to address it.

    The image is that ministers and representatives are spending all their energy on protecting them when they do bad things, and not on items related to the progressof the country.

    Not tat we should eb bothered about world opinion. I m sure a super majority of Indians also will have that opinion.

    Wha wil happen if Hazare dies, not because of fasting, but due to some health issue related to his old age andDelhi heat ? Will violence follow? Lot of young people seem to be committed. Will our elected govt shoot our citizens when they are on a rampage in the event of his death? And will we call it “parliament’s responsibility”

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Binoy

    “I wonder what is the issue for govt to endorse everything what Anna wants”.

    The reasons ( as stated by many earlier)
    01) Many of the provisions in the Jan Lok Pal Bill are unconstitutional and will not stand scrutiny by the Supreme Court. It would a total waste of time.

    For example, they want this bill to cover state-level watchdogs – Lok Ayukta (many states do not have it or are defunct). This would stepping on the powers of the state. and is against the federal structure of the country.

    I wonder if the Bedi and Co. would find state level Anna Hazares and agitate in the state capitals. I very much doubt it.

    02) It seems that these civil-society “crusaders” wish to create a parallel and bloated (having lacs of employees) power of centre, answerable to no-one.

    ——–
    “What wil happen if Hazare dies, not because of fasting, but due to some health issue related to his old age and Delhi heat?

    Who asked him to go on fast? Probably his circle of advisers. I am reminded of the statement by General Patton – (expletives replaced) – No one ever won war by dying for his country, but made some other poor person die for his country.

    The Government has really messed it up. IMO, they should have taken on board all the political parties in the first place (now they have done so), then it would have been different.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Correction ( I should be careful in future(

    02) It seems that these civil-society “crusaders” wish to create a parallel and bloated (having lacs of employees) centre of power, answerable to no-one.

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  • shan

    @Binoy Hegde , many people during vietnam war protested , I am told Nixon hauled them up into the newyork yankee stadium , and ordered mass arrest. Americans should lecture about corruption unless they are suffering from collective amnesia. Enron, Subprime fiasco, World Com , bernie maddox , iran contra affair , milkin and junk bond , the long island nuclear cover up.

    This Hazare is a duffer. I think govt has been pretty pliable . Ramila maidan is not the only arbitrator.
    WE HAVE A CERTAIN THING CALLED ELECTIONS HELD EVERY FIVE YEARS. Hazare et al NEED TO WAIT TWO YEARS AND FORM A PARTY AND ASK FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE .
    BLACKMAILING if not acceptable in case of MINORITY POLITICS , should notbe acceptable for STREET POLITICS.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Dr Mishra

    I think Indian R & D has ti be seen in a wider spectrum, just beyond conseumer products.

    A huge amount of work on the internet and its applications as well as original groundbreaking work in software is thru Indians working in India and the US. The current work in Cerne in particle physics, both as has Indians working there in large numbers as well as having Indian labs in partnership.

    But the real good times could be the future when we directly manage to link our labs with Industry,

    On the downside I see less and less youngsters opting for pure sciences, most wanting to do the MBA or just engineering

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar,
    On your last sentence, how true that is. In fact, this is where we need urgent focus.
    Our generation pursued engineering or medicine as some sort of holy grail – a pace that has accelerated today; with management being an added lure.
    For a society to evolve, we need scientists along with engineers and doctors and even social scientists, english lit grads and so..
    We might be becoming a very uni-dimensional society in the short term.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Ummm…. even if the Congress wins this round, its credibility has sunk so slow… it’ll lose the elections …

    Wish they would see the issue on the wall and co-opt Anna, rather than demean him….

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, here is a poem dedicated to Anna.

    Anna, the village bumpkin, has shaken the lords of corruption
    The urbane, city-slick lawyers of the UPA are bereft of option
    But to resort to subterfuge, double talk and deception
    and say that of parliament Anna is aiming subversion.

    Arrogant rulers care little whether Anna dies or survives his fast
    Their antagonism and hatred for the village bumpkin is iron-cast
    And so is their unshakeable conviction that corruption will forever last
    But the nation believes, ‘he who laughs last, forever will last’.

    The people of India have reposed total faith and trust in Anna,
    They chant ‘Anna zindabad’, even while eating bature and channa
    His words of ridding us of corruption is like from heaven, manna
    And in between zindabads, they sing, ‘paanch rupaiyya, baara anna’

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Last month’s Mumbai attack is still not pinned on anybody. Maoists continue to kill policemen, teachers. Bangla Deshi illegals continue to cross the border.

    In a responsive, responsible democratic govt, a Chidambaram will be providing updates to the public on these; the progress, and if there is no progress, why not. I remeber being in US when Shahzad’s car bomb exploded in Manhattan; the daily updates they were giving through the nabbing of Shahzad, and then his connections and fitting the dots.

    Instead of focusing on these real threats, he is giving us a sign of “up your aaaa”. He flaunts and is working hard to kill the jan lokpal bill and the Hazare movement. Why wouldnt he work equally hard to kill the Mao movement, the Gilani movement….

    This man who has been representing Sivaganga constituency here for so many terms almost lost in the last election. A recount gave him 3200 or so margin in a constituency of 7.75 lakhs voters. (the rumour is that DMK thugs did something to help him out in the recount). He won 400,390 votes (out of 7.05 lakhs) in 2004 ;60%; but in 2009 won only 334,000 votes or about 40%.

    And he talks about peoples will and democracy.

    This will be his last parliament from Tamil Nadu. Congress will have to find a seat for him in North India (now that TN is gone to AIDMK, AP is being taken over by Jagan fever, BJP getting stronger in Lingayat dominated Karnataka, and UPA Omen Chandi govt going from one debacle to another in Kerala).

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  • Mohan R

    Another ploy by government to defeat Anna.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Dalits-rally-against-Anna-at-India-Gate-traffic-hit/articleshow/9727651.cms

    I am afraid this may create a chaos which may become violent. I hope better sense will prevail.
    But looking at the kind of politicians in our country can we expect anything sensible from them ?

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Mohan-

    Congress is to its usual tricks…They have released the Dalit Lokpal group…
    Wait till they release the Minority or Muslim Lokpal group ..they will do it soon.

    They only deserve contempt! Their slicing and dicing have done the country too much harm.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Yes congress has done too much harm to our country, but even BJP is not comming out
    cleanly. Yesterday at all party meeting they also did not support JanLok pal. I am getting a
    very bad feeling, I think this is going to get violent so that government can discredit
    Anna and his team and leave the things as they are .

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Well, let us hope it wont turn violent. Congress will have to pay lots of money to round up “Dalit and Minority Lokpal supporers ” (they do have the money; however the logistics of bringing people from other parts may not work).

    BJP’ hands off is somewhat understandable because Congress will leverage any BJP support equivocating it to RSS.

    But all the little guys – leftists, Dals- should have come out. In fact, DMK could have used this as an opportunity for a prodigal son to come back (will require lots of help from lots of ace PR people!)

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shoeb, Mohan,

    The BJP, for whatever reason, has been equivocal about its backing the Anna movement for a corruption free society. Here is what Gadkari has written to Anna:

    In a letter to Shri Anna Hazare, BJP President, Shri Nitin Gadkari wrote “BJP has been & will continue to be solidly behind your movement against corruption. We have always been & are for a strong Lokpal. For that to happen, BJP accepts your draft Jan Lokpal Bill to be the basis for a strong & effective Lokpal. The same should be put in place at the earliest without procedural wrangles.”

    shan Reply:

    @MohanR, How about ploy by the ambanis and other crony capitalist , are they not the ones who are biggest benefeciary if the legislation folds up.

    Also this shows , india is a like an infant who is trying to run before it can walk.
    RATHER THAN TRY TO WIPE OUT CASTE, which will give every indian a sense of nationhood and indianness and belonging .This is on its own is THE SINGLE MOAT IMPORTANT REASON WHY THERE IS VERY LITTLE PETTY CORRUPTION in UK,Germany ,JAPAN and NORDIC countries.
    But then indians are good at SANJAY DUTT /MUNNABHAI kind gandhigiri.

    So the fifty percent below poverty line will continue , indians will continue to make a beeline in front of US embassies after graduating from IIT’s.
    Reminds me of Freedie Mercury aka Balsara song
    I WANT TO BREAK FREE, OR INDIA NEEDS TO BREAK FREE from hindu obscurantism, cowbelt backwardness, naarey bazi , cheap media publicity

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    MohanR and Shoeb K

    The impression I get from your two posts here is that you both think Dalits, Muslims and others do not have the right to express their views and opinions, and oppose what Anna Hazare and his “cowboys and cowgirls” are demanding?

    What make you think that that this right is exclusive to Anna Hazare and his gang of megalomaniacs?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “you both think Dalits, Muslims and others do not have the right to express their views and opinions, and oppose what Anna Hazare and his “cowboys and cowgirls” are demanding?”

    In the present scenario they are opposing Anna on the instructions of Congress. What were they doing between April and August?

    These SARKARI dalits and muslims are Bhade ka tattoos.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Shenoy

    Aptly captures the current state of affairs. With news coming in that Manish Tewari is now regretting his remarks on Anna because of protesters outside his house, it just proves

    Anna, the village bumpkin, has shaken the lords of corruption
    The urbane, city-slick lawyers of the UPA are bereft of option

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    @ Shoeb- linking threads. Your summary on PC links up with what Mishraji said when he met him- he was dismissive of the constituency that Mishraji represented- doctors and NRIs. He forgot that muslim women in burkas and Arjuna awardee sportsmen are also beating a path to Anna.

    But as Mohan points out some dalits have bizarrely attacked Anna saying his bill will taget dalits and muslim officers- did Amar Singh dalla or Mulayam dream up this trash?

    BUT TODAY I SAW A CONGRESS LEADER SPEAK SENSE, HE PRAISED ANNA, PRAISED THE MOVEMENT AND SAID HE WANTED TO SEE A QUICK SOLUTION KEEPING ANNA’S HEALTH IN MIND
    ANY GUESSES WHO IS HE ?? ANYONE
    I THINK WE HAVE A POSSIBLE FUTURE PM IN HERE

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Mohan and Shoeb

    At the end of the day, no politician would want a superpowered Lok Pal above him. However at this juncture the call was purely that of the COngress. It had once created so much ruckus on the fake Tehelka scam, it should now face the music of real scams it has created.

    Yes, they will look for a way out. Even Team Anna will see that his health is sinking and will have to bow.

    In my honest opinion, Anna has played his role of getting the issue right on the table. RIght in front of the nation. We dont have a Lok pal who serves the COngress and the Nehru- Gandy parivar. We want an honest agency which can immediately look into the worngs of polliticans, judges and bureaucrats.

    God willing, some action on that will be achieved…

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I do not think that Anna will succumb to the pressure being brought on him to quit, even by his own team members like justice Hegde. He has scant regard for his own life and he has “atoot vishwas” in the righteousness of his demand for a strong lokpal bill.

    The congress bosses now want that all orderliness breaks down and there is total chaos in the country. There is no other explanation for its pig-headedness coupled with mulish stubbornness. In this respect, I would like to quote here Ashis Nandi in today’s HT:

    “Our Constitution, I have always believed, has place for extra-constitutional demands even when they are not backed by civility and sometimes verge on lunacy. Are we facing a narrowing of our political culture around a strictly defined idea of the permissible? Or is this regime, run mainly by technocrats, trying to abridge our idea of the political? Or are we all unhappy that Hazare has not allowed us to make an Irom Sharmila out of him?”

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Hopefully something positive will come out. The Congress will be stupid to assume that it can ride rough shod and do a Swami Ramdev this time.

    I think at this point, the Anna team should take a writtten assurance that his bill would be taken up for discussion in Parliament. In case the Parliament rejects his clauses… all parties will stand exposed.

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    manujsk Reply:

    Sorry to interject and post this out of turn here, but I got this just now and could not resist it..Amnt sure if Sharmaji will mind it and pull this don, but hope soem see this before he does so…
    And it goes like this..
    Kapil Sibal traveling in his car, when a “kutta ka bachcha” comes in front of the car and gets killed. Sibal asks his driver to go and find out the owner of the “kutta ka bachcha”.. After around half an hour, the driver comes back..completely garlanded.. Sibal curiously asks him- whats with this garland thing, what happend? The drievr says- Saheb, I was out looking for the owner of the kutta ka bachcha..I met a few people and said– Main Kapil Sibal ka driver hoon.. aur “kutta ka bachcha” mar gaya.. before I cvould say anything more, they alll took me up on their shoulders and started garlanding me ..

    Apologies for the irrelevant intervention, but just mhope you have a good laugh..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    The toppling of Gaddafi has a certain message for people who feel there is something like a dynastic right to rule a democracy. What do you think this message is?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay–

    Gadaffi etc comparison is not valid… because it is our own politicos that enables a Sonia or Rahul wheeras Gadaffi uses his police and military…

    This cronyism started with Srimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi..These cronies wanted Sanjay..then Rajiv..then Rajiv’s wife..

    Actually, it will be a nice what if discussion if these cronies wanted Menaka Gandhi as the PM/torch ebarer when Rajeev died. They settled on Sonia,, a foreigner, reluctant one, hitherto not interested or involved in politics; these cronies did not wnt a combative Menaka (for Srimathi Indira GAndhi also disliked Maneka, partly because of her pedigree, and partly because of her “in ur face” approach). Maneka would have cut off their balls instantaneously, while Sonia did it painless over a period of time.

    May be what Indira Priyadarshini started is coming full circle. She laid the foundation for the current corruption, nurtured and watered it; and now Anna is trying to pluck it out… Let us see.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    It is really time that we start looking beyond dynasties. Then only true democracy will flower.

    I think we need to get a coalition of Businees men, adminstrators, scientists, media people and professionals like Engineers and docotrs in all parties… or maybe in a new party so that more people are available for “team selection” rather than the children of the Nehru, Karunanidhi or Gowda dynasty….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    It’s possible to create a mass movement against Gandhis in India. Afterall, we are the same people who carried a brick on our head ( marked Ram) on it to Ayodhya ! And we carried that in long procession for weeks together!! If we are capable of doing that then why can’t we create a mass movement against Gandhis?

    Till the time Gandhis are there, others do not have a chance.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    page turned- TODAY I SAW A CONGRESS LEADER SPEAK SENSE, HE PRAISED ANNA, PRAISED THE MOVEMENT AND SAID HE WANTED TO SEE A QUICK SOLUTION KEEPING ANNA’S HEALTH IN MIND
    ANY GUESSES WHO IS HE ?? ANYONE
    I THINK WE HAVE A POSSIBLE FUTURE PM IN HERE

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  • vijay kumar

    @ balwinder

    Kaun hai woh?

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  • Mohan R

    Guys see on Saturday. I hope in these two days something positive will come out.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    @ vIJAY the answer to above question is – SALMAN KHURSHID
    you remember Mishraji and Ashish talking about leaders not connecting- well this one did
    ???????? future PM if congress win next to next election

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Balwinder

    interesting Answer. But you have to see the past.

    a) He was the guy who rabble roused the jamia students to protest against Salman Rushdie leading to the resignation of the secular a nd mild VC

    b) As chariman of the Delhi Public school committee, honesty in admissions was never visible. It was always about 5-10 lakhs to some crony sitting int he school premises.+

    He may be an articulate lawyer. However as Prime Minsiter…. well…??

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    Ryan Paul Reply:

    @ Vijay, totally agree with you. In fact as Chairman of the DPS committee, he bulldozed other members to make I. Hussain as Principal of DPS, Mathura Road, Delhi when other more eligible candidates were available.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ryan

    Where do you think the money taken in cash… and still being taken in cash by DPS committee goes.

    a) Funding of private pockets and members of the committee

    b) REMOVING corruption in India. The chairman and committee is collecting the money so that black money goes out of circulation :D :D

    c) Money is used for making paper airplanes ofr students :D :D :D

    Please tick the right answer. ROCKET SCIENTISTS should not answer… as they might tick the wrong answer :D

    Both Baba Ramdev– black money investigator and Anna– corruption investigator may please note :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Anna Hazare, Swami Nityanand and Baba Ramdev should fast together. That will be called Love, Sex and Yoga……..

    vijay kumar Reply:

    I think Renuka, Barkha and Gadkari too should also join them in the fast .

    They need to fast… in case they want to walk fast….. :D

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shenoy,
    If Anna, Nityanand and Sonia fast together, it will be called LOVE, SEX & DHOKHA.

    Shoeb K Reply:

    Shenoy

    nityananda case may be deeper and different from what came out.. Looks like Karunanidhi, Kalaigner TV group etc wanted nityanada’s property in Chennai; he refused; and DMK puppet police framed him… more will come out..Let us wait and see.

    Lots of land grab cases are out now — including the latest. ex minister nehru… All wilh solid evidence…

    Karunanidhi and his cronies must have taken over 4000 or so acres, most of them threatening “ordinary” citizens… the way democracy works in or country…

    What is more bothering is that none of the Tamil newspapers ever reported these excesses.

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    and if Amar Singh too joins the fast, it will becalled love, sex,dhoka and khoka!

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Shri Ram Chandra keh gaye siya se,
    aisa kalyug aayega,
    ANNA rehega bhooka pyasa ,
    KASAB biriyani khayega !!!

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    Brilliant as usual…

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  • Ashish

    Enjoy guys, just got this through FB..
    एक चौधरी था, उसे गाँव के पंद्रह-बीस लोगों के साथ दिल्ली जाना था. उसने एक टिकट ली और चल दिया सबके साथ ट्रेन में. दिल्ली रेलवे स्टेशन पहुंचा तो टिकट चैकर के सामने जाके आँख से आँख मिलाई और दौड़ लगा दी. चौधरी आगे-आगे और TC पीछे-पीछे.. एक पटरी पार की.. दूसरी की.. फिर चौधरी रुक गया. TC ने आके उसे पकड़ लिया और बोला- टिकट दिखा.?? चौधरी ने टिकट निकाल के दिखा दी. TC ने पूछा- जब टिकट थी तो भागा क्यूँ..?? चौधरी- वो बीस लोग भी तो पार करवाने थे. हा.. हा.. हा.. हा.. हा.
    निष्कर्ष- ये चौधरी साहब तो हैं- हमारे सरदार मनमोहन सिंह जो ईमानदारी की टिकट लेके सारा प्रपंच रच रहे हैं. और बीस लोग हैं- कांग्रेस के भ्रष्ट मंत्री जो करोड़ो के घोटाले करके पार हो गए हैं. अब नए TC आये हैं श्री अन्ना हजारे जी अपने संगठन के साथ जिनकी कोशिश है कि ये सारे बिना टिकट वाले धरे जाए. आओ, सब मिलकर उनका सहयोग करे, जी जान लगा दें, उनके इस आन्दोलन में.
    वन्दे मातरम्.!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish,

    Believe me, this “story” of the honest Chaudhary has left me in splits. Great honesty.
    I wish somebody makes MMS read this and see his own honesty mirrored so beautifully in this story.
    Great reading.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    An old joke but nicely rehashed…MMS is the real Chowdhary.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ashish

    Fanatastic !! Vande Matram !!

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  • vijay kumar

    As usual Jawed Naqvi has come up with drivel to paint the whole anti corruption movement as right wing, RSS, big business and what not. He has compared it to Islamic brotherhood and what not

    A gem from his article in dawn goes as
    =================================
    IT is a feature of our times that many a good intention has turned into a right-wing menace, and Anna Hazare’s anti-corruption campaign galvanising swaths of urban India in recent days is a prime example.

    The problem is pervasive. You look behind the so-called Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia only to discover the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists poised to hijack the agenda. You try to justify Muammar Qadhafi’s violent exit from Tripoli and you will find the chiefs of his torture chambers spearheading the rebel campaign to topple him. Want to get rid of Assad in Syria?

    “Like the Nazis who began by fighting for Germany’s mythical golden past and spawned a culture of hate against imagined foes, the RSS nursed grievances against Mughal rule and other make-believe fall guys to conjure up images of perpetually wronged Hindus, never mind that ‘Hindu’ came into vogue as a word in mediaeval Iran as a way of describing darker-skinned Indians. “

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    jawed is garbage….

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    REVERSE MIGRATION AND CORRUPTION
    ——————————
    tHERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY NRIs settled abroad do not come back. The obvious answer is money or lack of it.
    But there is another reason- and Dr Pankaj, Dr Misra, Binoy Hegde will understand it as they are nris- CORRUPTION. Once you get used to a smooth life, knowing if you are meritocratic, you will flourish.
    This is also where Anna comes in, amongst my children and grandson- there is ANNA mania.
    Dr Mishraji, I just read about your friend you refered to – Dr Aradhyan- more power to him SIRji- may his 200 scientists team grow to 500- pl pass on my best wishes to that returning youngster

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    shan Reply:

    They are NOT NRI , like you are not. They are foreign citizens of indian origin . I am still a NRI , though can’t be sure how long, given the taste of fellow indians I have got in this blog

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Are you a dracula or something? Or, since you taste people, should I call you a shancula?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    We need internaional expertise… but we also need to kick some Indian garbage to the world, to take revenge against the British for the cricket loss ;) ;)

  • vijay kumar

    @ bINOY

    Jawed’s language just prvoes that mad dogs ou of jealosuy will keep sniping at us….

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  • vijay kumar

    @ bALWINDER

    Reverse migration is a welcome phenomenon. International expertise will certainly help India.

    And it will certainly help some NRI’s also !! As far as the construction and real estate industry goes few of my friends who were migrants to UK have come back as the sector is booming in India and almost a low job secctor in UK .

    As ashish explained earlier, a lot of corruption existed in HongKong and the system still works efficeintly. Hopefully we will lear from the world and make our decision making process transparent and computer based so that the basis of couption is removed…

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  • vijay kumar

    But….

    Corruption occurs at tanother level in the West. For example, Iraq was bombed. The construction cotracts go to the chosen firends circle….

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Shan says he is NRI and I, Dr Pankaj, Mishraji and Hegde are foreign citizen. Arrey puttar, hum charron da dil phaad ke dekh- tiranga hi milega.

    Didnt Mishraji once say on Zia’s blog regarding Sonia Gandhi- IF SHE LOVES INDIA, THEN SHE IS INDIAN
    feast on that

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    Even after being British citizen, you don’t feel British ?

    [ Please do not take it otherwise. It's only to know how people feel. ]

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat, you have hit where it hurts most , you have unmasked HYPOCRISY AND DUPLICITY , a trait that had remained though the nationality may have changed

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    rajmohan Reply:

    could be a case of namak haraam and namak halal!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ rajmohan

    ????

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    I think Balwinder with his jokes, lassi and yet at the forefront of protecting people is a real punjab da puttar… half his heart will always be here.

    Of course there is another category of pompous idiots….NRI’s who could well be called Not Required Indians….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I guess as young Indians abroad, people are usually too busy with their career and do not miss India much. As they grow old, they start missing India. But they are stuck up with family obligations and can’t come back to India.

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    rajmohan Reply:

    Prabhat..young minds reject demarcations..they think beyond the boundary walls..what is wrong being an international citizen?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajmohan

    That’s true. But I guess people feel differently when they grow old.

    shan Reply:

    @Rajmohan , despite my indian nationality , THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL HAVING BEEN EXPOSED TO MULTITUDE OF CULTURES.
    As for Mishra /Balwinder lot PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE watch the film LOINS OF PUNJAB starring shabana azmi , directed by the recently deceased very promising Manish Acharya
    http://www.hindilinks4u.net/2010/03/loins-of-punjab-presents-2007.htm

  • Gopi Thomas

    Our great greatr great acestor, Lord krisha said this in the battlefield;

    ‘tri vedham narakasyade dwara nasamatmanan
    kama krodhatya lobha stamade datraye tyagethe ” … lust, anger, greed are the sure way to hell..

    Looks like UPA is angry, they are greedy (looks like all parties are), and they are lusty for power…
    and this time they are running fast to hell, electoral defeat.

    The solution for the day is not to find the “perfect” (both Anna and Govt should settle on few key stuff), make it work, may be put a time limit to revise this as well as add the next “”xx number” items..People should see a difference; Congress can come out a winner if Lokpal goes after few high profile corruption crimes..

    Govt has fooled around with this fopr 40 plus years; people are saying enough is enough (although Congress in its nth incarnation seems to position Anna movement as not a people movement, and trying to come up with “bahujan” movement denouncing Anna movement.. ..I bet if Soniua was here she would not have instigated this bahujan stuff.. she is more smarter and uderstands indian psyche better than the stupid men she left in charge..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Bahujans are feeling slighted because they think Anna is against the constitutional provisions and thus going against Ambedkar. People can always find a reason to demonstrate.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat–

    Last time I checked, Hazare was not goig to pass any bill– parliament is going to pass the bill…Hazare’s is input. may be he used strong arm tactics to get his views in; but that does not mean the issues are irrelevant.. the takeaway for the govt is how these types of outpouriings of people get the right level of attention, responsiveness, sense of urgency etc..

    bahujan’s needs if there are, (the only position they have now is that they are against Anna), should also be included… I have not seen them coming with item 1, 2, 3 other than Ambedkar is not respected.. Did not know Ambedkar is an exclusive property of a group of people..Last time I checked, he was an Indian hero.

    The main issue to resolve is how political class should be made responsive to the country.. the notion that they can be voted out simply does not suffice… 5 years is too long..

    They cannot treat it like a job…..

    There is also a larger issue — is the current democratic system the right one for India in the 21st century… How do we incorporate, update so the systems are responsive?

    I was reading about the “house of representative” ssytem in USA ..these members get turned out everfy two years.

    There are too many challenges; I believe Congress/UPA lost a golden opportunity, they are coming across as the defender of corruption and an outmoded status quo… they dealt this from head, while they should have dealt this from heart.. while processes, legalities, building blocks etc are important, one cannot start with that and negate the fundamental issues because they do not fit with the current process or whateevr..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Dalits are being used by the corrupt politicians to derail the anto corruption movement…

    They are also trying the “insult ot ISlam ‘ line as I have quoted the rat Jawd naqvi above.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Your Post :

    “….Did not know Ambedkar is an exclusive property of a group of people……”

    - Well said. But unfortunately people are made to believe otherwise. Like few friends here and some on the street, Nationalism has been made to look as an exclusive property of few ! Almost a delusional disorder.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat

    Absolutely.. Patriotism, nationalism etc are not one groups exclusive properties..

    However, individuals withi groups, I believe are suspects.. I have my own reservations about Mani Sankar iyer, Bukari, Mahesh Bhatt etc.. I give a bnefit of doubt to Arundhati, I think she just wants publicity.

    I consider MMS, Chidambaram, Sibal as as patriotic or more patriotic than me. Honestly, I had very high hopes on Sibal. Chidambaram too.. I thought these two will bring to the table whatever MMS lacked (as an able administartor). But all ended up as technocrats, and mny a time mediocre technocrats because they could not get the people side together.

    Just imagine we did not have party politics. Imagine Modi as PM, and Chidambaram and Sibal as his lieutenants. and MMS as an expert advisor. Would it have resulted in transformative platforms… I bet ..

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    That’s grossly unfair!

    You have ruled out my idol Advani of being PM completely !

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    prabhat

    advani will never become prime minister… if i were a consultant to bjp, I willbe looking for 5-6 leaders who can handle critical portfolios, and rehabilating Modi…

    every day my belief that BJP is on congress payroll (except a few like Modi) is getting strengthened…

    a controversy has hit the newspapers here.. apparntly the local BJP here (nothing much to speak of) colluded with Muslim league in the investigation of Marad case (where 20 or so hindus were killed by muslims on a premeditated plan), making CBI not to inquire…figure it out.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I always believed all these religion affiliation show-offs are not so much about conviction, but convenience when it comes to politics. I want people to delink religion from politics.

    rajmohan Reply:

    You give life to a mythological name?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    raj,

    didnt get..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    I hope you are not part of the NAC :D

    U do seem to have a reason for every Congress action….

    Yaad rakhana… power mile toh petrol pump, hamara….

    Butt I feel it is time for change of government. The UPA is just lurching from crises to crises. MMS has been too badly damaged byAiyar who started the accusations and Digvinash who annoinced that MMS ia average but Rahul is require. MMS seems weak.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Rhetorics do not overwhelm me. Like all of you, I too have my own convictions. I try stick to that as much possible and I am not shy of airing my opinion.

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    rajmohan Reply:

    Prabhat,..i don’t understand why bahujans are so apprehensive …Is constitution a religious book with a final say?..when politicos fail civil society should question..that is democracy..i think the bahujans are the most tattered lot of bureaucratic corruption..why should they oppose a strong bill against corruption?..i feel this agitation have made me proud of our democratic credentials. civil society should function as a fifth column..to correct..to demand..and to steer the politicos in the right direction.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajmohan

    Bahujans are yet to be part of the mainstream. Ambedkar is the greatest factor that gives them some semblance of respect. They feel slighted when they think Ambedkar is being marginalised directly and indirectly. If anybody questions the constitution, they think it’s an assult on Ambedkar and they feel outraged. Though, it’s absurd, but that’s the way they react. And there are people who need a smallest reason to demonstrate and take some political mileage.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Rajmohan and Prabhat,

    these days whenver a Bollywood film is released there is always a group of people who laucnh a case against it for publicity.

    And in case the case is not launcehed the producer ensures it is!! Raja Bundela, who is dancing on the stage of Anna, and whom I know a little from my days on TV, did exactly that… when his home production– which wa supposed to be against the right wingers– attracted no publicity…

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I am surprised he is still in circulation !

  • vijay kumar

    Prabhat

    We can both survive at the opposite end of the spectrum. Of course when we go up… maybe we would be in the same side of the all and sharing a bottle of beer…

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    vijay/prabhat

    u two being in delhi should get together – country needs understanding, arguments, discourse..we are at a critical stage… lokpal is just the beginning.. 75 percent of population is young with different and loftier aspirations..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    To share a bottle of beer, even opposite sides ( of table ) are good enough.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Then email me at vkkhanna71@gmail.com. Maybe someday …

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Thanks . may be someday….

    rajmohan Reply:

    I salute the show of fraternity even being in the opposite pole of ideological standing..hmmmm…is not that means democracy?

  • shan

    BLACKMAILING cannot be allowed for minority politics , so should not be allowed for STREET POLITICS

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  • rajmohan

    Prabhat,
    I know you just made a politically right statement about the bahujans..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajmohan

    I would be glad if you think it to be technically right analysis.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Shenoy saheb, you hit the bulls eye- very funny

    Shri Ram Chandra keh gaye siya se,
    aisa kalyug aayega,
    ANNA rehega bhooka pyasa ,
    KASAB biriyani khayega !!!

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  • shan

    @Ashish, you responded to somebody’s lamentation after forsaking his nationality for material convinience,
    He had posed the question “Is there no area of India free from corruption” You said NO.

    Well that is true for COW BELT and KHAPLAND and DELHI DURBAR.
    But it is certainly not true in PASCHIM BANGA.
    What you are going to read is a fact .
    I bought a flat somehere in south calcutta . Because this was a transfer of a co-operative society flat, you couldn’t buy off the shelf. The society wanted a transfer fee , in black which was illegal. I didn’t budge , I appealed took one and and a half year of running and lawyers , but at the end the transfer was effected. During that period I interacted with the office of the Registrar of Co-Operatives. THEY WERE ALL ORDINARY PEOPLE WITH A SLUM LIKE CONDITION OF THEIR OFFICE.

    BUT I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY A SINGLE PAISA , I SWEAR BY THE NAME OF PARENTS
    So this is classical “private sector” employed middle class WHO THEMSELVES ARE CORRUPT TO THE BONE, will take payment in cash , the PAPER PRICE WILL BE HALF THE REAL PRICE to avoid capital gain tax.
    As they say Doctor heal thy self

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Yes I agree… doctor heal thyself of a Nirad Choudhary type inferioirty complex…

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    shan Reply:

    Yes I agree there is no area in KHAPLAND free of corruption , nor there is a single BUILDER IN KHAPLAND without BLACK MONEY. Switzerland is here in Gurgaon in matters of BLACK MONEY

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Here is another one.

    One of my friends needed a new certificate of his mother’s death from the local municipality, the original was lost/misplaced and no copies were available either. He drew a blank wall from the office.They told hiom to get a copy at least and then they would talk Later, an agent approached him and demanded an ridiculous amount of money to do the needful. In last ditch effort, he went to the local Congress party office, which has public service unit for such kind of work. This office arranged to get the certificate in about 10 days. Not a paisa was given to the municipality or to any agent and the service unit ask did it without any fees/charges. Later he found out that the other political parties in his town do not have any such service unit.

    There is an oasis here and there, but too few and too far part.

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    shan Reply:

    @manohar T , WELL DONE, Indians have a habit of BAKWAS , they also have a habit of LOPSIDED PRIORITY. Where there is need to criticise they are SILENT/TOUCHY , like caste system ,endemic hunger , but given india is such a poor country WITH ZERO SOCIAL SECURITY BACK UP , corruption and crime is unbeleivably low, and no need to run down your country WITH SWEEPING GENERALISATIONS

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    Ashish Reply:

    Dear Shan,
    do not please extend a specific personal instance to prove a general point. In the formative part of my career, I used to sell to Dep of Telecom and have never paid a bribe- was against company policy, so simplified my job.
    Does not mean corruption does not or did not even then, exist in DOT? Of course it did.
    West Bengal (I will refuse to call my home state Paschim Banga till I die, as I refuse to call Calcutta by any other name) being free of corruption- c’mon, give me a break. The petty corruption is a lot more- police, local ‘dada’s collecting protection money and all other shady deals that happen anywhere else. But, yes, the politicians in West Bengal have always been a lot less personally corruptible than their counterparts elsewhere. You will not find a Karunanidhi or Barnala or Mayawati in West Bengal.
    But, unfortunately, you are not likely to find a Nitish or Modi or even Shivrah Chouhan – leaders with even a semblance of vision and administrative mettle to give shape to the vision – in Bengal. As proof, Mamata has shown that her priority is installing loudspeakers in all street corners to blare out Rabindrasangeet.
    Our ancestral property in Calcutta has passed on to local hooligans, BTW.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ashish

    let me tell you there may not be mega corruption in West Bengal…. but there are lot of other things.

    One of my friends partneres Chandan Basu and he can tell you a lot of hair raisning stories.
    Obviuously for Jyoti Basu, communism was spiel to be sold to the Janata. For his son , it was crony capitalism. As it was Socialism for Indira and crony capitalism for Sanjay.

    Two years back I was asked to look at drawings of a particular project on the outskirts of Kolkatta. The 48 acre piece belonged to a big dad of CPM (among the biggest). The rest of the land around this project had been frqagmented and distributed, but the CPM big daddy was holding his patch under various names.

    Sad, that West Bengal with a gr8 human capital had taken a wrong road for four decades.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay,
    I guess I am saying pretty much the same thing. Another thing you have to realise is that the opportunity for making money in WB is lower than in other states because the economic activity is at a standstill.
    Behti Ganga mein haath dhone waale sabhi jagah milte hain; problem in WB is that Ganga has virtually stopped flowing so long :)

    shan Reply:

    KHAP INTELLECT VIJAY KHANNA, How about salt lake city , YOU PLONKER ,land was sold at 10000Rs/kottah , I HAVE SEVEN RELATIVES WHO HAVE HOUSES THERE , not a single had to pay a single penny in bribe (though I am absolutely certain , they must have had “connexions”) IN FACT MANY WERE ALLOTTED ON THE BASIS OF LOTTERY, mamata has cancelled ALL THE ALLOTTMENTS IN RAJARHAT NEAR AIRPORT,and ordered FRESH AND TRANSPARENT disposal.
    Though salt lake city is a piece of stark bengali racism.
    Apparently YOU CANNOT SELL THESE LANDS / HOUSES , this was done with only one intention TO KEEP IT MARWARI FREE, though they are creeping in.

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish, Vijay Kumar,

    West Bengal can be renamed as Nirad pradesh, in honour of the great British thinker, Sir Nirad Babu, who was also a loyal adherent of the British culture.

    This way, we can honour our own Nirad Babu also!

    shan Reply:

    Similarly lets name Konkan as GHOOSKAN, in honour of ex ghoos khor bank manger swarming this blog

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, I will agree with you on most of you what you have written.I am genuinely honest in saying , Corruption is far less in Calcutta . Few things I dont know if you can call corruprtion.
    say your car has been towed away by the police . To get it released you get hold of a dalal who will do all the paper work , and his service charge includes “service charge” to clerks in lalbazar.
    Now this can be banished in one stroke , if there was no towing away , just a fine pasted on the windscreen and payment made directly by cheque.(In fact 80% tax evasion can be stopped if all transactions above 100 Rs is made through electronic transfers(CARDS), then this whole thing would be redundant. Then if you think , IT IS PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT , and those clerks are so poorly paid (because Govt knows about their supplementary income). But as you hallowed ECONOMIST once remarked “IT GREASES THE SYSTEM, MAKES IT RUN FASTER”

    BTW , can you be more forthcoming about your ancestral property being grabbed by the local BUILDERS.It is VERY UNUSUAL , perhaps you have no time to persevere , otherwise I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS SUCH CASE , I am aware of CONSTANT PRESSURE by the builders ,ON THE OWNERS to SELL OLD HOUSES , so that they can demolish and build FLATS’
    Regarding PAYING CAPITATION FEE in schools or colleges in WB is UNKNOWN.
    I have lots of relatives , I HAVEN’T HEARD OF A SINGLE CASE
    I have heard from my near relative, of capitation fee of 50 LAKHS asked for admission in MEDICAL ,in GOPI’S SO CALLED PROGESSIVE SOUTERN STATES

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “Corruption is far less in Calcutta”

    Are you serious, Shan? I have been to all over India and I can say after Delhi, Calcutta is most corrupt place.

    In that respect Mumbai is far more honest.

    I see a streak of bengali regionalism in all your posts. India is much more than Bengal. According to me Bengal is sophisticated (educated) version of Bihar. A third grade state to live in where I have seen kids eating mango peel picked up from Railway track (with poop nearby). May be you can still see that on Kharagpur station even now.

    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, utter porky, to call mumbai honest is like saying bin laden is a gandhian,. Calcutta is SLOTH, also that state has a population density of 900/sqkm HIGHEST ON PLANET EARTH.
    Calcutta itself probably has 60% of its residents whose mother tongue is not bengalee.
    WHEN DID YOU LAST HEAR A MUMBAI STYLE MUSLIM BURNING ORGY IN CALCUTTA
    FOR THAT MATTER HOW ABOUT A RAJ THACKERAY TYPE BIHARI AND BHAIYAA(UP)
    BASHING,
    wakey wakey
    also I am what I am OBJECTIVE AND BRUTALLY HONEST , thus these lines escaped your attention

    “Though salt lake city is a piece of stark bengali racism.
    Apparently YOU CANNOT SELL THESE LANDS / HOUSES , this was done with only one intention TO KEEP IT MARWARI FREE, though they are creeping in.”

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    shenoy brilliant-
    Anna Hazare, Swami Nityanand and Baba Ramdev should fast together. That will be called Love, Sex and Yoga……..
    and if Amar Singh too joins the fast, it will becalled love, sex,dhoka and khoka
    ————————
    I wonder if Vinod Sharma has copyright to these comments, he might already be writing a book- Mr Shenoy, please ensure you get royalty

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    “…and if Amar Singh too joins the fast, it will becalled love, sex,dhoka and khoka
    ..”

    That “khoka” thing was a brilliant addition ! So very apt !

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    woh addition bhi iss naacheez ka hi thaa.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    ofcourse, full credit to you !

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @ Prabhat and Balwinder””””””””””””””
    NATIONALITY AND IDENTITY

    I guess PRAAJI, Dr Pankaj and Binoy will give their own stance. I give mine-
    Who am I?
    British, Indian, both, Indo- European ?
    I am individually multiple, severally alone

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    prize for anyone who guesses the author of this immortal last line. Hint – I never quote foreigners, for I feel that our own are neglected

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    shan Reply:

    S M , but how about the word DERACINATED

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    Suketu Mehta ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Or even Kabir Mohanty

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Beautifully written, Mishraji.

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  • vijay kumar

    =============================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~~ CORRUPTION IN THE WEST… LET us not forget that too… !! :D :D
    =============================================================================

    While I concede that India is a pretty corrutp society in financial matters when it comes to dealing with the government, I would love to point out how the West and Europe are NOT corruption free. here is a list

    a) Switzerland, keeps all the kickback, drug, tax looted, clack booted money fo the world. And claims to be an ideal society :D

    b) The US arms comapnies love to supply arms to both sides in a war. Like India and Paksitan. They encourage countries to keep exploding bombs… Yeh bhi toh billions ki corrution hai :D

    c) The UK parliament was misled by ony Blair and war launched on Iraq. Part of the reason was armament companies and the profits, including oil. Again paise ke liye maut… ya eh corrutpion nahi?? :D

    d) Mining companies globally are mining in Africa giving a dam about the health and the profit the Africans get. Paise ke liye corruption…

    If anybody claims othere countries are cindrella..

    Let them give metheir emails…

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Vijay-

    Corruption is there everywhere, since time immemorial.. Just until 600 years ago, thugs could become Popes, and they had their illegitimate children appointed as Cardinals to control the vast wealth of Vatican…

    It is human nature (for some) to go after Power, wealth, influence (and women) anyway they can…

    However, modern countries have put most of the “petty, daytoday people-affecting” corruption behind – such as bribe for electric connection, death certificate, college admission etc (may be Italy is an exception!). A common man’s life is not impacted by corruption (although you are right; something like Iraq war etc affect all in USA some other way).

    I would say USA is mostly a corruption free country because of the institutional integrity, checks and balances (a President does not have much power; committe chaimen get rotated, Senate and house can be under different partties, a strong “district attorney system” (something like the Lokpal you all are discussing in India, but limited to ceratin “legal’ items, such as racketeering, interstate commerce etc). There are also many many examples of powerful and rich men and women arrested and punished for ridiculous number of years sucha s 100 years). Very very difficult to get out of a case through bribing..(Fyi, a police constable here is called “Officer”; and nobody will dare to bribe him, although theer are police racketeering cases – Scorpio– , mafia etc).

    The corruption here does not touch the common man, although the policies as a result of “other” corruption eventually will affect all. All legislation on taxation, regulation, spending etc are controlled by lobbysts; in some cases they literally write the legislation for members to vote for.
    Hence the numerous tax loopholes and exemptions, lack of regulations etc. The whole hot issue on illegal immigartion was the result of a private prison company, Corrections Corporation of America, (who runs all the state proisons in Arizona) essentially “identifying” a growth area for their business – the illegal immigrants , if arrested under tough anti illegal alien laws, will be a huge revenue boost for the company becaus these illegals will have to be in jail until their cases are brought up and disposed.

    You are right that at a “macro” level, the country has a corrupt mind, in the sense, they will do anything to protect the supply of oil, food etc.. They will bring human rights, democracy etc as it suits them. May be that is the difference between India and US. Indian Govt, I think, may not do anything to ensure enough oil, food etc is available for its citizens; and they are complicit with companies/bueraucrats who make Indians’ day-to-day lives difficult…

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Of course at a citizens level, the life in US is comfortable. India needs to learn and implement the laws in place.

    Interesting examples you gave

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  • vijay kumar

    And to continue the story…. Fai the ISI agent gave kickbacks to British and American parliamantaris and Senators. Woh bhi ghoos hi thi…

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    shan Reply:

    If your khap intellect can decipher it then try to figure the difference between PISSING OUT OF THE TENT , AND PISSING INTO THE TENT

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  • vijay kumar

    NiRODH Choudhari’s comment was comment no 420 !!! How telling !! :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ TO BED WITH A SMILE :D :D
    ==============================

    Even as I crash into bed, having just completed my emails… I need the last thought for a smiley sleep.

    As I watch the Anna supporter’s celeberate at Ramlila, wearing “I am Anna’ caps, I am reminded of one gentleman.

    Supposing Nirodh Choudhari wore a condom on his head. Which says, “I am Nirodh…. ”

    HA HA HA HA :D : D: Gnight everyone…. :D :D

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    shan Reply:

    suppose khap vijay was wearing a reused condom given to him as a service to the client, can he be sure that his Tcell count will not go down in coming months

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Nirodh

    Had a real good sleep and I think I laughed all night imagining a popous idiot running around with a condom worn on the head— with words “I am Nirodh’ ;)

    I think even the British queen will think twice to get such products as migrants… :D

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    shan Reply:

    @Khap black money builder, Khap language and brain on display for all to see ,well with that surname , what can you expect

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    He went to England as a stow-away.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    And all of India was dancing in joy that he went away…. :D

    shan Reply:

    he may not be physsically present in India , but he will keep on exposing GHOOS khor govt bank managers who will not release the loan without a cut of the loan paid to him..
    As for BUILDERS in and around Delhi/Haryana , there face is more black than the BLACK HOLE of cosmos , as every indian knows , the proportion of blackmoney to taxpaid money
    is same as total number of stars in this universe to the nearest star to earth .

    vijay kumar Reply:

    effect of ene-ma shows in nonsensical outporings.

    shan Reply:

    effect of THIRD DEGREE on the blog , as received by a haryana builder

  • shan

    THE CHICKEN IS COMING HOME TO ROOST

    swami agnivesh said Annaji asks parliament to listen to the people’s voice ,asks PM to listen to people’s voice , But when people are asking him to end his fast , HE SAYS HE WILL ONLY LISTEN TO HIS ANTARATMA
    He is asking everybody else to listen to the public , but when it comes to him

    YEH ANTARATMA KA BIMARI KAHAN SE AA GAYA

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Two days back, even Justice Santosh Hegde (part of his civil society group) requested him to end his fast and give the government and the parliament a chance. The response – a flat no. It reeks of double standards.

    Wah! Kejriwal, Bedi and Co., who have thrown a firewall around Anna Hazare and are using his shoulders to settle their own scores.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ manohar

    It’s mostly Kejriwal.

    I have lot of respect for Kejriwal for his work. His single minded devotion has brought him this far. But now that he has reached big stage, he must deal with things in more democratic manner. But he has got into ” I am always right” syndrome.

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  • Prabhat

    Better Late Than Never !!!

    Senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader L K Advani on Friday said the Jan Lokpal Bill has several inherent flaws due to which Parliament may find it difficult to pass it in the present format. “I know what are the flaws in the provisions of the Jan Lokpal Bill due to which it will not
    get passed. And this, I tried to explain to them (Team Anna) yesterday,” Advani told a group of students from the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) who called on him.

    “I also told (finance minister) Pranab (Mukherjee) and the government that look, these people are emotionally attached to the title ‘Jan Lokpal Bill’ so assure them whatever be the final shape of the Lokpal Bill after amendments, do continue to call it the Jan Lokpal Bill,” he said at his residence.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    A hardcore Politician always manages the Perception :

    If you scroll back a few postings, I had mentioned that MMS and the team are good at managing the reality. But a seasoned politician manages the perception.

    Look at the comments by Advani -

    “I also told (finance minister) Pranab (Mukherjee) and the government that look, these people are emotionally attached to the title ‘Jan Lokpal Bill’ so assure them whatever be the final shape of the Lokpal Bill after amendments, do continue to call it the Jan Lokpal Bill,”

    Just calling the LokPal Bill in any form as JanLokPal Bill, one could avoid so much noise and heart-burns !

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    As I mentined, looks like BJP is really under Congress payroll..

    Coming from Advani at this satge of fast/settlement????

    He knows he will never be PM…looks like he does not want others in BJP also not to become PM…

    Classical Bhishma — the root cause and me , me , me

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    the funniest part is Gadhakari gives univocal support to Anna. Advani says Anna’s version can never be passed !

    Who is undermining BJP? Gadhakari or Advani ?

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Advani is undermining– he is becoming senile…

    Gadkari does not have a clue either..They just should not have selected him as the party leader.. elections in these television and visual ages is about charisma, presence etc as much as ideology.. Gadkari Vs Sonia?….give me a break..

    The situation in the country is fertile for BJP. The country is “given” on a platter to them on ssupenders and belt. But it looks like they will drop the plate.

    The party is bereft of leaders/technocrats. Whatever one says about Chidambaram, Sibal; no one will say they are stupid.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prbhat

    See the difference. The A team of the COngress Digviansh Singh was hiding below Kasab’s pjamas; Amul baby was ordering milk powder. lollipops and snickers; manish tewari snarled like a dog and then licked the feet like a pup….

    They should all train under Advani :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Rahul mostly stayed away from this as this is a Govt. affair.

    DigVijay could handle effectively but for his limited role.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    I think it is time the BJP draws its Lokpal Bill and put it on its website , so that all can know what this important Political Political party ’s views are on the Lokpal which the country is looking foward to. I share the anger expressed by Yashwant Sinha, Shatrughan and Uday Singh, all MPs. Sometimes I get a feeling that Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj have also become ” want to be PMs”. It is time the BJP steps forward and comes clear on its stand on the LOKPAL and disclose what the LOKPAL should be in its view.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Praveen

    The BJP should include salient features like misuse of government money for CBI enquiries to protect killers of the sohrabuddin variety.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay
    Very strange things have happened in this case. First the Union Home Ministry (read IB) filed its Affidavit that Sohrabuddin was a terrorist. Then later , it withdrew that Affidavit and filed another one that, no they have no information that he was a terrorist. And so far no inquiry nor action against Andhra Pradesh police who were also closely involved in that episode.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    For all one knows, the AP Police must have been asked to assist in the arrests (normal practice among state police forces) and not told that they would be killed in a fake encounter.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    There is nothing great to feel about Sohrabuddin. He was stalking rajasthan marble traders. The supari was given to Gujrat Police. Do not give patriotic colour to simple greed and crimes.

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , IT IS CALLED SELF INTEREST, for khap member BUILDER Vijay khanna may himself be embroiled in SEVERAL greed and crimes , THAT IS WHY GIVES PATRIOTIC COLOUR,
    again that great quote is apt here
    PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Shan

    Shouldn’t it be changed to

    Patriotism is the first refuge of the scoundrels.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    For the RSS trolls, it is always a matter of nationalism and patriotism, when it comes misdeeds of their “heroes” and ideology, while in case of others – it is a plain crime of the worst kind. Double standards, thy name is RSS trolls.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Thanks Dr Pankaj, yes the answer to the question posed above- NATIONALITY AND IDENTITY
    Who am I?
    British, Indian, both, Indo- European ?
    I am individually multiple, severally alone
    ————- This immortal line is by Suketu Mehta

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    Do your children and grand-children feel as nostalgic about India ?

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @Balwinder, I will pass on your best wishes to Dr Aradhye. Reverse migration of such top scientists should be celebrated. Shreeram was involved in discovery of a new drug to combat multiple slerosis, a terrible disase.
    He spent 10 years in the lab on this and was published by Nature, a most prestigious journal- http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v9/n11/abs/nrd3248.html

    The 200 scientists he employs in H’bad now may have been lost to the US years ago. I posted this to combat the morally defeatist ‘nothing happens in India’ comments so commom on this blog

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    shan Reply:

    Panditji , needs to know there is a thing called proportionality.The link to the paper that panditji provides, shows the PRIME AUTHOR is VOLKER BRINKMAN, the indian gentleman is just one of the seven names in coauthorship.While not trying to slight the above indian gentleman’s contribution , let me enlighten panditji of the work done in INDIA PROPER.
    India is the only country after USA to produce HEAPATITISB vaccine.Dr reddy’s lab sells omeprazole to all NHS hospitals . They dont give a penny in royalty, as it is patent expired , but Dr Reddy’s lab have devoloped their OWN synthetic pathway to produce this drug.Same with anti AIDS drug, which has been synthesised by CIPLA through an alternate pathway , and this is no mean feat.
    same applies for Diclofenac, Ranitidine , Ramipril , and THE MOST IMPORTANT , CIPROFLOXACIN
    which india offered to USA just after 9/11 , when there was ANTHRAX LETTER BOMB SCARE.
    If USA had to buy in billions from BAYER(the inventor), american recession would have been precipitated then and there.

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  • Manohar_T

    Now L K Advani has contradicted Ntin Gadkari re: Jan Lok Pal Bill.

    Saying it has inherent flaws and it will be difficult for the Parliament to pass it..

    This is bound to happen, when Gadkari takes orders from the walrus-mustachios from Nagpur and does not consult the more seasoned political leaders within his own party, resulting a in foot-in-mouth disease..

    Or is it case of the party trying to stand on two stools?

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  • Ashish

    **** The apology that never was but should have been ****
    Dear Annaji, I am a congenital moron with a streak of exhibitionism which finds outlet in TV studios. Please do not take what I said seriously; no one ever does. Like our foreign minister, I also have the habit of reading from the wrong script. I truly believed that I was to comment on some recent utterance by Arundhati Roy. Yours, in the doghouse-
    Mad
    Ass
    Nincompoop
    Idiot
    Stupid
    Hectoring Tiwari

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    brilliant Ashish. you are now competing with me and Shenoy for ‘funniest man on blog award’ or the Padma Shri that Mishraji says is being consider for us 3 by the Indian embassy

    sorry Vijay, you are not in the elite comedian club anymore

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Fantastic!! And if it is original, I bow in honour ….

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    Ashish Reply:

    Vijay,
    I always credit the source if it is not; this is original..
    in fact, I posted this on FB yesterday…the number of “likes” made me repost it here..

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish,

    it is causing laugh riots. Really great.
    You may face backlash from the HT gang of Prabhat-Vinod, but, what the heck!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    It’s kind of too mild for me to react negatively. I am OK with it.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Shenoy,
    nah! I am sure all can enjoy a laugh

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish,

    Here is another one from Manish Doghouse Tiwari:

    DOG HOUSE
    10 Janpath, New Delhi.

    It is almost a week since I was forced to enter this Dog House. The only consolation is that it has the best address in the country!

    In the solitude of the trap, I am ruminating on how fate deals its cards. One day I was the toast of my party, from desh-videsh I got 2000 e-mails on a single night lauding my intellect, my bravery, my initiative etc. all of which I had used to fell Anna Hazare by puncturing his fake incorruptibility.

    In particular I remember two touching e-mails from two of my long term fans, Prabhat and Manohar T, who lauded me for telling Anna to get off his high horse of anti-corruption.

    And the very next day, I find myself pushed into the ****** kennel. A kennel, by any other name and even at 10 Janpath, is a dog house. A smelly, ******, hell hole, of which fate has made me the un-proud occupant.

    Now I am being asked to eat my words; in fact eat whole sentences, which they say are unwholesome! Being a loyal servant of the party and its presidente, now I am drafting my humble sounding, though fake apologies. Manish Tiwari can NEVER EAT GRASS.

    More on this, the my next outing from the Dog House.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    When Anna is released from Tihar , Party sources tell Media it was due to intervention of Rahul Gandhi. When Pranab Mukerjea is appointed interlocutor, Party sources tell Media it was due to intervention of Sonia Gandhi. What does the PM of India do ?…. Carry out Orders. What does he do when Orders do not come ? ….Nothing . Party goes public , it misses Sonia Gandhi.. if she had been around situation would not have been mishandled ….. So party admits situation is mishandled by govt . Does PM do anything even after such expression of lack of confidence by his own Party ? …. Nothing . PM tells the country he wants to be under Lokpal … Party overrules ..what does he do ? …. Nothing.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    this is a funny situation.

    Sonia Gandhi’s absence is felt (by a few of her partymen).
    But Rahul Gandhi’s presence is hardly noticed!
    And both are ineffective, insignificant and irrelevant.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    Will the PM do anything about that ?…..Nothing.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    On another day PM of India told the country that foreign powers jealous of India are behind the Anna Campaign. On another day , the Party told the country USA is behind Anna Campaign. On another day , the Party said Anna is corrupt from head to toe. On a day recently gone by, the Political Editor of HT tells the country , rogue Corporates are behind the Anna Campaign. Yesterday the PM of India tells the Parliament

    ” I respect his idealism. I respect him as an individual. He has become the embodiment of our people’s disgust and concern about tackling corruption. I applaud him, I salute him. His life is much too precious and therefore, I would urge Shri Anna Hazare to end his fast.”

    Can the country believe the PM of India ? How does the country know whether this is his “personal” opinion or his government does not agree with him.?

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Mishra doc, like your style. aapney tameez aur deshbhakti dono hi sikha diye DR SHAAN ko. He was actually praising India above.
    Stand by bloggers- shan will soon sing – saarey jahan sey accha- I know he will look constipated but bloggers we can tolerate that

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    mishraji says he gives swabhiman injections on blog

    so i took his advice and went over to Kent and gave swabhiman ***** to DR SHAN- i put in some adrak and elaichi to give it desi flavour

    shan has become patriotic, hehe

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    the word was “”"and gave swabhiman E N E M A to DR SHAN…”"”

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    shan Reply:

    Balls sandhu , you balls are shrinking so is your BRAIN , which had four nerve cells anyway of which three were permanently on the BLINK

    I can’t think i have come across a bigger *** h o le than this challa

    Then you may be going SENILE

  • vijay kumar

    @ Balwinder

    R U saying that the writings are an outpouring of ***** ?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    =============================================================================
    ~~ :( :( ~~ USING MURDERERS AND KILLERS FOR CREATING VOTE BANKS ~~~~ ;( :( ~~
    =============================================================================

    Sajjan Kumar who has the blood of at least 100 people in his hand. yet the Congress used him for communal reason….

    Mukhtar Ansari is a know murderer and a butcher. Both mayawati and Mulayam Singh use him for getting votes on communal lines.

    Sohrabbudin was a killer, a murderer and a terrorist. The Congress uses him as lever to prove that his death was a fake encounter. In case terrorists and killers like Sohrabuddin cannot be punished as witnesses are scared, the state has to go for fake encounters. All state governments and the COngress do it all the time.

    Yet in Sohrabuddin’s case the COngress is using it as a ploy to act as the saviour of Muslims.

    They cannot protect ordinary citizens… but where they smell a vote bank… they can spend hundreds of crores to defend the rights of a killer…

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    shan Reply:

    No he is saying your career is built on outpouring of BLACK MONEY

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  • shan

    US Vice Consul Maureen Chao, who was caught in a row for her remarks of “dirty and dark” Tamilians

    In a speech at the SRM University in Chennai on August 12, Chao had recalled her train journey some 20 years ago in India and said, “I was on a 24-hour train trip from Delhi to Orissa. But, after 72 hours, the train still did not reach the destination.. and my skin became dirty and dark like the Tamilians.”

    Had it been calcutta , the COCKROACH EATER , along with her race in BENTICK STREET AND TANGRA
    would have got a taste of what khap and balls is getting from me in this blog

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    A certain Nirodh Chaudhari would have said.

    ” Oh dear…you beautiful white anglo saxon lady
    you called Indians dark and dirty…

    I agree with you
    becasue I want to be
    white and pretty ! ” :D

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    shan Reply:

    A certain khap builder makes the journey to SOHO his favourite jaunt in search of GORI r a **i, and he himself admitted to visiting SOHO , which I having lived in UK never visited nor do i know the exact location. Ask khap for details

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Oh dear ! Shan… you are getting so boring, repitative and vulgar. I had ignored youfor some days.

    Only when your postings became unfair and accusatory at Indians and for me personally, I thought of giving you some factual truths.

    If you promise to behave yourself, I can leave you free. Otherwise… retaliation will be on.

    Jai HInd

    The patriotic scoundral :D :D

    shan Reply:

    Its not boring it is scouring the dirt and ignorance from your soul , trying to shine the ray of bengal renaissance

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Prabhat just read your question to me- Brit or Indian
    Let me answer in my own way- we get pizza takeaway every Friday- I eat it with aam ka achar

    get it?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    i did not ask you whether you are Indian or Brit.

    Nevertheless, it’s ( pizza with achar ) a good one.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Aam ka Achar with Pizza…ye to desigiri ki hadd ho gayi.

    Prabhat,
    Do you eat Aam ka achar with McDonald greasy burger? What is the current wage you earn at Mcdonalds?

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    RAVI- INDIAN OR PAKISTANI
    As ravi mentioned he ACTUALLY SENT ME 15 emails which purport to show that he is

    ex student of Air Force school, Delhi
    He is approx 60 years old
    He has a sikh surname
    He lives in UK

    dont know what to believe bloggers, honest. I showed it too my foreman who is tech inteligent, and he said all the forwarded emails can be tampered with- ie– if someone has a resrvation with Brit Airways, when one forwards email one can easily modify passenger’s name

    so ravi. I have been honest- like you asked me to, I have given my opinion on facts. I shall respect your privacy and email details.
    If you are true- then I am sad that someone educated in good school could come out so twisted that you indulge in obscenities and abuse against hindu Gods, India and bloggers families

    If these details are fabricated then it is a very elaborate hoax of an internet junkie.
    Peace brother, whatever gives you happiness, tell me if main jhooth boliya

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    shan Reply:

    you showed it to somebody BECAUSE YOU CANNOT READ, you are only good in boozing and you are a CHALLA

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Your hatred for punjabis and khapis is blinding your vision. You are ending up supporting resident Jehadi who was shedding tears on demise of Osama.
    For god sake let this hate not turn you into irrationalist.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    I tried my best.

    It has not worked, as I expected.

    I no longer care.

    Think what you want to.

    BTW I anticipated this, and at the time I sent – NOT 15 – emails to you. I sent one to Ashish, just because I anticipated some mischief from you.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    Don’t fool old people like Balwinder. Anyone can create two or more e-mail ID and the create a scenario like you. Who are you kidding?
    Evenif you are not a pakistani but you are a jehadi in your thought process and this is what matters not your identity.

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  • shan

    @Ashish , something really to be proud of ,we both hailing from the place where this INTELLECTUAL GIANT once strode.konkan and haryana will need 1000 yrs to come across somebody with this towering intellect. now read on PLEASE NOTE THE LAST LINE

    NIRAD CHAUDURI

    Times of India, August 8, 1993

    Dileep: You have of course been following whatever has been going on in India: the incident in Ayodhya, the communal riots and so forth.

    NC Chaudhary: There must be a complete recognition of the historical responsibility on both sides. They must not try to avoid it. All Hindu historians are liars. From 1907 onwards we became aware of the Hindu-Muslim problem as regards the nationalist movement. From that date until 1946 every fellow Bengali I have asked and every other Indian too had only one standard argument: The Hindu- Muslim problem does not exist. It has been created by the British.

    My point is that it is the very nature of things. That what happened in Ayodhya should not have happened is another matter. But I say that the Muslims do not have the slightest right to complain about the desecration of one mosque. From 1000 A.D. every Hindu temple from Kathiawar to Bihar, from the Himalayas to the Vindhyas has been sacked and ruined. Not one temple was left standing all over northern India. At the beginning of the 18th century the Jesuit priest and mathematician Tippenthaler noticed in the evenings as he travelled from Malwa the flickering flames of tiny earthen lamps placed by the villagers at some risk to themselves. Temples escaped destruction only where Muslim power did not gain access to them for reasons such as dense forests. Otherwise it was a continuous spell of vendalism. No nation with any self- respect will forgive this. They took over our women. And they imposed the Zazia, the tax. Why should we forget and forgive all that? What happened in Ayodhya would not have happened had the Muslims acknowledged this historical argument even once. Then we could have said: Alright. Let the past remain in the past and let us see how best we can solve this problem.

    From the 18th century onwards the Hindus took the offensive. They would not allow the Muslims to lead their way of life. In the 30’s I wrote several articles on the subject. The last one was in 1939. I have not changed my views from the ones I expressed then. The gist of the argument is that the Hindu view of life and the Muslim view of life are completely oriented towards a clash. The muslims were the first to invent the thoery of permanent revolution. The communists took over from them. No Muslims can live under the political domination of non-Muslims. Secondly, Muslims divide the world into two: regions of peace and regions of conflict. It is the duty of every Muslim to bring the latter within the fold of Islam. The Arab equivalent of the caliph is “Commander of the Faithful”. And his obligation is jihad (holy war). Where do you think the word mujahedin comes from? Mu in Arabic means ‘to be with’. Mujahid is to be with the jihad and Mujahedin is its plural. Why, I ask the English people, do you call them fundamentalists in Kabul and nowhere in England? The reason is that the English people have become completely ignorant. What is more, like us, they cannot face reality


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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan,
    “Corruption is far less in Calcutta”

    Are you serious, Shan? I have been to all over India and I can say after Delhi, Calcutta is most corrupt place.

    In that respect Mumbai is far more honest.

    I see a streak of bengali regionalism in all your posts. India is much more than Bengal. According to me Bengal is sophisticated (educated) version of Bihar. A third grade state to live in where I have seen kids eating mango peel picked up from Railway track (with poop nearby). May be you can still see that on Kharagpur station even now.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, to spare you the trouble of scrolling upwards

    shan Reply:
    August 26th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    @Rajeev, utter porky, to call mumbai honest is like saying bin laden is a gandhian,. Calcutta is SLOTH, also that state has a population density of 900/sqkm HIGHEST ON PLANET EARTH.
    Calcutta itself probably has 60% of its residents whose mother tongue is not bengalee.
    WHEN DID YOU LAST HEAR A MUMBAI STYLE MUSLIM BURNING ORGY IN CALCUTTA
    FOR THAT MATTER HOW ABOUT A RAJ THACKERAY TYPE BIHARI AND BHAIYAA(UP)
    BASHING,
    wakey wakey
    also I am what I am OBJECTIVE AND BRUTALLY HONEST , thus these lines escaped your attention

    “Though salt lake city is a piece of stark bengali racism.
    Apparently YOU CANNOT SELL THESE LANDS / HOUSES , this was done with only one intention TO KEEP IT MARWARI FREE, though they are creeping in.”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “WHEN DID YOU LAST HEAR A MUMBAI STYLE MUSLIM BURNING ORGY IN CALCUTTA”

    Bengalis will convert to Islam rather than fight back (evidence 35% muslims in WB & 92% muslims in Bangladesh).

    “FOR THAT MATTER HOW ABOUT A RAJ THACKERAY TYPE BIHARI AND BHAIYAA(UP)”

    Bengalis have allergy towards hard work (rather just work) so how can they even ask Bhaiyyas and Biharis to leave.

    Whatever you say Mumbai is infinitely more honest than Calcutta. Have you ever lived and worked in Mumbai? I have seen both Mumbai and Calcutta. I can say with all honesty, Calcutta is a total gutter..full of corrupt people, prostitutes and pimps..Sorry, I am hurting your BENGALI nationalism but it is true. WB is gutter of India..even worse than Bihar and UP.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am sure that Anna is not going to get his version of Jan Lokpal anytime soon. We will have a Lokpal as per the wishes of Nehru-Gandhi family.

    I have been moving away from Jan Lokpal bill not because it is TOTALLY flawed but because I have great confidence in Indian dishonesty. We Indians are masters in finding loopholes in the laws and can adapt our corruption around it. Sometimes we can use loopholes to our advantage. I also oppose Anna’s Lokpal for the reason that it will create another bureaucracy who will be paid by tax-payers. Why do we need additional bureaucracy. Why not create bureaucracy out of existing one?

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  • vijay kumar

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    ~ ;) ;) ~ THE ANNA EFFECT— RAHUL AND BJP COME OUT WITH THEIR OWN STRONG LOK PAL
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    The funny part is that the COngress which was trying to push a weak Lok Pal to save its top corrupt leaders is now trying to ride on the anna effect. Rahul baba now wants Lok Pal to have a constitutional status like the election commission.

    Kya ho gaya … ab naani yaad aa gayi ????? :D :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This U-Turn by Rahul is designed by Sonia and her chamchas so that they can give credit of Lokpal bill passage to this low IQ moron.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Dear bloggers

    You all know that yesterday I went to Kent nd gave a ’swabhiman E N E M A’ to dear Dr SHAN. I did put some adrak and elaichi in it to give desi touch.
    You saw what happened this morning- he started praising India.
    BUT NOW THINGS HAVE GOT MUCH WORSE-

    he has rung me 5 times today-
    first he sang- sarey jahan se accha, hindoostan hamara
    then he sang- AYE MERE WATAN KE LOGON- in a falsetto Lataji voice- I could scream- he sounded like he was being buggered

    and now he wants to come and spend weekend with me- says he is bringing DVD of Rang de basanti, LOC Kargil etc- has gone all patriotic
    I think I will have heart attack – saala peeche hi pad gaya hai

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Vijay or Shenoy, do either of you want to have Dr SHAN for this weekend- take the fool to India Gate – he will spend the whole weekend saluting Amar jawan Jyoti, seeing he has some over so patriotic

    maybe if you tip him 10-20 rupees, he might also clean your house, do the toilets, you know what I mean

    maybe next time in his ***** I will put less elaichi
    hehe

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    got censored- “”"maybe next time in his e n e m a I will put less elaichi”"”

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  • Prabhat

    I heard Kiran Bedi give a speech at Anna’s fasting site. She blasted the Parliament and the MP’s. I must say she has picked up political lingo very well and makes a forceful speech.

    Hope she makes her way into the Parliament.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I find most of her speech very childish, high on volume low on substance very much like Rahul Gandhi.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    off to Brighton for relaxing bank holiday weekend with family, will answer again to Rajeev and Ravi on tuesday
    (bank holiday in UK- sat-sun-mon off)
    Sea and sand and ?sunshine. Some yoga and tennis.
    No Anna and no blogging- SHAN will be so relieved. Alvida doston

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    one last phuljari- we were discussing identities- SHAN definitely has some Dutch ancestry in him. Bhala poocho kyon ??

    Ravi Reply:

    I need no answer.

    Enjoy your holiday.

    shan Reply:

    Sardar taking a dip in brighton , that will be a scene worth watching

    shan Reply:

    Off to brighton , IS THERE A POLICE RAID IN SOUTHALL IN THE WEEKEND, POOCHO KYON , scroll downwards for answer

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Seeing the events unfolding today, slowly, but surely the tide is turning against Kejriwal, Bedi, Sisodiya & Co. They themselves are to be blamed. From day one, these “self appointed guardian angels” have shown nothing but obstinacy. Poor Anna has painted himself in a corner at their behest.

    Santosh Hegde, Swami Agnivesh have already distanced themselves. Probably, the Bhushans would be next

    Many political leaders, editors and others are now urging them to give Parliament a chance and end this tamasha, but these “crusaders” have become deaf.

    As for Bedi getting elected to the Parliament, one wonders which party will give her a ticket. As an independent candidate, she may have very little chance. Blasting the Parliament and the MPs may get a few brownie points, that is all.

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    manujsk Reply:

    The bias is out.. You want to divide and rule.. The masses don’t think the ay you do. Your frustration is Rahul Gandhi again couldnt come up with anything better than some “kalawati” story…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    When same Kalavati went to meet Rahul, she was asked to go back.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Manujsk

    How very presumptuous of you.

    Me wanting to divide and rule? This is laughable..

    What bias? If stating the reality is a bias – so be it.

    What masses?

    Where does Rahul Gandhi and Kalawati come into the discussion?

    Next time, you wish to engage with me in a debate here or anywhere else, come with more intelligence, stick to the points in questions and leave your prejudices & preconceived notions to yourself.

    Rajeev Reply:

    “Next time, you wish to engage with me in a debate here or anywhere else, come with more intelligence,”

    Typical congressi **** and bull. :)

    Ashish Reply:

    Prabhat,
    not all folks surrounding Anna have the same level of maturity- I share Rajeev’s assessment of Ms Bedi.
    She is obviously in this for a role – in the establishment – perhaps she fancies herself as a lokpal.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    page turned-
    Dear bloggers

    You all know that yesterday I went to Kent nd gave a ’swabhiman E N E M A’ to dear Dr SHAN. I did put some adrak and elaichi in it to give desi touch.
    You saw what happened this morning- he started praising India.
    BUT NOW THINGS HAVE GOT MUCH WORSE-

    he has rung me 5 times today-
    first he sang- sarey jahan se accha, hindoostan hamara
    then he sang- AYE MERE WATAN KE LOGON- in a falsetto Lataji voice- I could scream- he sounded like he was being buggered

    and now he wants to come and spend weekend with me- says he is bringing DVD of Rang de basanti, LOC Kargil etc- has gone all patriotic
    saala peeche hi pad gaya hai

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Vijay or Shenoy, do either of you want to have Dr SHAN for this weekend- take the fool to India Gate – he will spend the whole weekend saluting Amar jawan Jyoti, seeing he has some over so patriotic

    maybe next time in his e n e m a I will put less elaichi

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sardarji,
    Why don’t you stop this bickering with Shan? You are ready to believe and digest trash from potential terrorists like Ravi but have very unforgiving attitude towards fellow Indian Shan.

    In your defence, I can say that shan keeps drumming is Indian passport but never misses a chance to prove that Goras are all doodh ka dhulla and Indian are greasy…

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev , I speak with honesty and candour , the backbone of which is my intellect.

    Goras are DEFINITELY more honest than the Balwinder lot I see in UK.
    That does not mean Goras are epitome of all virtues, goras are PROFOUNDLY DISHONEST in their “PERSONAL LIVES”, but in CIVIC life they areMILLION times honest than the Balwinder lot

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    rajmohan Reply:

    Shan..I fully endorse your view on their civic life…they are far ahead than the indian managers i have worked with..no comparison..

    Rajeev Reply:

    rajmohan,
    I agree Indians have crab mentality..they managers that you are talking about suffer from Shan like crab mentality..it is not dishonesty but selective rationality.

    shan Reply:

    @Rajmohan, do not take note , for the guy who is lecturing you SOLD HIS SOUL AND EVERYTHING ELSE to land in USA , and that is where he is based , and he isn’t working for RED INDIANS in USA , he is bendind over backwards to satisfy his GORA MASTERS.

    A hypocrite despises those whom he deceives, but has no respect for himself. He would make a dupe of himself too, if he could. William Hazlitt

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Who are you referring to? The Indians who hold Indian passports but choose to stay in goraland.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I believe in relationship that is equal..unlike you where you unconditionally surrender to Goras…Here Goras are taking instructions from me..that is the difference.

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    shan Reply:

    Lot of goras take instruction from me that is the nature of work i do. I neither feel superior nor inferior , I WILL GO OUT OF MY WAY TO ADMIRE QUALITIES/ATTRIBUTES , be it gora /kala /peela / badami whatever.
    I do not NEED TO PROVE MYSELF
    I do not NEED TO WATCH MY BACK ALL THE TIME

  • http://- Rajeev

    “Goras are DEFINITELY more honest”

    Yes, in public life and amongst themselves but when it comes to others they are far more corrupt.

    The way they have plundered Africa and parts of Asia is for everyone to see..not to speak of Americas and Australia.

    You almost idol worship Goras..that is what is irrational.

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  • vijay kumar

    =============================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~~ KABUTRBAAJI IS THE MILDEST CRIME COMAPRED TO WHAT THE GORAS DID ~~ ;) ;)
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    Whenever I do read of Indians sneaking across borders into Europe and US I feel sad and insulted. The name of the country gets sullied and most Indians who migrate honestly and work honestly also feel that their imae gets tarred.

    But…. then the dispassionate historaian inside me takes over. And asks inconvenient quesitons.

    That…

    The Goras used force, lies, religion to conquer the world. Plus they brinwashed idiots to sing praises for them, even when the brainwashed idots were getting buggered…

    They came in as the east India company and manipulated to rule India…

    They went in as criminals, killed all the aborgines and tookover Australia…

    They claimed that with new Zeal they want to get a new land for the Queen and killed moaris and made New Zealand.

    And Columbus had no time for the natives called Red indians… who now live in reserves….

    SO WHAT IS WORSE>>>> KABUTARBAAJI OR WHOLE SALE DECIMATION OF NATIVES????///

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    shan Reply:

    Khap , was babur , ibrahim lodhi, mamud of gazni, aurangzeb ALL GORAS,
    WAKEY WAKEY KHAP BRAIN

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    shan Reply:

    Oh forgot to add Taimur lung , and the infamous delhi butchery , was he a gora, AND WHO SIDED WITH THE ENGLISH IN CRUSHING SEPOY MUTINY.How about NELLIE MASSACRE in Assam , were many GORAS involved
    Stick to building contractor business , history CAN BE PAINFUL

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Dr Death

    So you admire the distribution of plague germ blankets by Columbus, love the Jallianwala bagh, dacne at the thought of the death of the Moaris… you endorse aparthied becasue you believe white is superior….

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dr Death,

    By the way Micheal Jackson tried some skin bleaching treatment. Either you can take a swimming pool full of fair and lovely… or go the micheal Jackson route… :D :D

    shan Reply:

    Mr Black (money) Builder, read some books by the giants of bengal renaissance like tagore , vivekananda , and some literature by Sarat chandra , if that scour the SOOT from your soul

    shan Reply:

    @Khap black money vijay khanna , this is what current residentsof jalianwala bag are paying homage to TAGORE who returned his knighthood at the protest of the killing. Haven’t heard of any KHAPLAND doing anything remotely close, any for your INDIGESTION

    UNSURPRISINGLY, New Labour’s new nationalism feeds and informs the worst kinds of obscurantism in Punjab itself. SGPC president Gurcharan Singh Tohra, for example, argued that the Queen’s visit was vital if the truth about Operation Bluestar and state repression against Sikhs was to become known to the world. The Sikh Right, like its Hindu and Islamic counterparts (to varying degrees), is financially underwritten by emigrants in the West, who seek to address their own cultural neurosis and anxieties by sponsoring revanchism in Punjab, the imagined repository of their identities. The Right’s attraction to emigre Sikhs has been its spurious claim that it is engaged in a battle against a state enterprise of genocide and cultural annihilation in Punjab. Tohra now sought to use New Labour’s nationalism to affirm his own position as a legitimate spokesman for Sikhs as a whole, a preposterous claim that the Western media uncritically accepted (see box). At the end of the Queen’s visit to the Golden Temple, Tohra said that Elizabeth had been shown bullet marks from Operation Bluestar, in which she had shown “great interest”.

    Communal politics, then, constituted the third layer of the Amritsar onion. Tohra’s need to sustain the fictions of the Sikh Right explains the SGPC’s obsequious handling of the Queen’s visit. Religious workers had been assembled to shout slogans of “Queen Zindabad”, as Tohra and Chief Minister Prakash Singh Badal offered gifts to the imperial visitor. Elizabeth and Philip remained seated as the dignitaries gifted them a gold-plated model of the temple, sponsored by a Birmingham-based religious group, and an ornamental sword. Both Badal and Tohra bent over in a hilariously low bow when the still-seated Queen gave them a flower vase each.

    The Jathedar of the Akal Takht, the supreme seat of Sikh spiritual authority, gifted Elizabeth a rosary. Jathedar Ranjit Singh’s gift may have been the first given to Elizabeth by a convicted murderer. The Jathedar is currently attempting to evade the completion of his term of imprisonment for the killing of the minority Nirankari sect leader, Baba Gurbachan Singh, as ordered by the Delhi High Court. His supporters, including Tohra, argue that religious leaders are above the law and that the failure to remit Ranjit Singh’s sentence could cause violence..

    That the visit of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip had so little impact on the popular imagination in India merely underlines the fact that the visit was not, in any meaningful sense, about India at all. New Labour, the royal couple and the Sikh Right variously saw India as a theatrical set on which a Raj drama could be played for the benefit of an English audience. The occasion of the golden jubilee of India’s Independence merely provided a backdrop, or rather a legitimating detail, for the theatrics. In 1905, when George, the Prince of Wales, and Princess Victoria Mary, paid a visit, India’s people were perhaps less able to resist being used as props. “The afternoon drive to the Golden Temple was the people’s festival,” wrote chronicler Stanley Reid. “Not since they left Bombay have their Royal Highnesses seen so many happy faces crowded into a narrow space. The native town of Amritsar was so packed that the wonder was how the balconies stood the strain. A cheerful hum rippled up and down the throng, a shrill laugh was always heard.”

    Back in London, the Queen may well have laid her model of the Golden Temple next to an identical gift received by Mary Victoria in 1905. But the natives lining the route this time were mainly schoolchildren press-ganged into service. In the afternoon heat, their faces were most certainly not happy.
    Please Vote

    Q. Do you think the queen of Britain should apologise for the massacre at Jallianwala Bagh in the year

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dr Death

    You have qouted this passage a numberr of time before. It just shows that the New India has evolved ever since that scene happened.

    You have not.

    Dr Death you are the TOHRA out herre, beinding down in front of the queen and the well offering your rear to the British….

    shan Reply:

    Oh really , then india must be moving faster than the SPEED OF LIGHT, that news is only FEW YEARS OLD

    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev , that is a good starting point , and sure one day we will excell by summoning all the courage, honesty ,sincerity , that is singularly absent in khapland and challa sikh lot, their kartuben has been on display and in the news of which i have made a copy and paste

    He that loseth his honesty hath nothing else to lose

    Rajeev Reply:

    Babur and gang were definitely goras compared to black skinned Indians especially Bengalis.

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    shan Reply:

    Yes he was gora in comparison to deep black skinned NAQSHBANDIS

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I agree..I belong to an inferior race just like you.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I am helping this guy get over an inferiority complex. Isko itna guss kon aata hai??

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    And Dr Death says that “Naqshabandis are DEEPLY dark ” !!

    Funny , even the skin tone and degree of darkness is important to him.

    Nirodh Chaudhary mein jaroor kuch kaala ha !!

    shan Reply:

    shan Reply:
    August 26th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    @Rajeev , that is a good starting point , and sure one day we will excell by summoning all the courage, honesty ,sincerity , that is singularly absent in khapland and challa sikh lot, their kartuben has been on display and in the news of which i have made a copy and paste

    He that loseth his honesty hath nothing else to lose

  • shan

    Challa balls sandhu , THIS IS WHAT YOU ACTUALLY DO, let ram this up your posteriror

    Following the violence witnessed in the Asian community Scotland Yard officers from London working in co-ordination with customs officers began to investigate the possibility of a nationwide ‘Asian Mafia’ which they believed was running a multi-million pound heroin trafficking business all controlled by Sikh ‘godfathers’ based in Southall. During their investigation the police identified key godfather figures from numerous families across the country who they observed meeting up to discuss business in a host of locations from Glasgow to Cardiff, to Birmingham and London.

    At the upper level, drugs and in some cases humans, were being trafficked via these criminal organisations, however, what was being played out on the street amongst the rival Asian gangs was the control of mid-level family networks of drug distributors and it was their workforce, the street gangs, where the violence was occurring.
    sites.google.com/site/londonstreetgangs/borough-pages/ealing

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Dr Death

    =============================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~ HOW TO GET OVER SKIN COLOR INFERIORITY COMPLEX ~~~ :D :D ~~
    ============================================================================

    Dr Death,

    The blacks of US, especially under martin luther king launched a movement for self respect. Dr death, you should read about it. Black is beautiful, was their first self respect weapon, to get over the brainwashing done by whites to justify ruling over “colored” people.

    They launched magazines like Ebony.

    They excelled in sports.

    maybe you can start playing sport or launch a magazine for self respect. maybe you should sing,
    “brown is beautiful….” :D :D :D

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    shan Reply:

    practice what you preach KHAP VIJAY, NO NEED TO MAKE 5000 mile trek to SOHO in search of GORI
    FLESH

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dr Death has gone crazy. Is it becasue of the new name /

    I think you are happier if I call you Nirodh chaudhary :D

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    shan Reply:

    kHAP has conceded defeat and is deflated , lets not call him BLACK(money) builder, just Khap Vijay

  • vijay kumar

    Dr Death or Nirodh Chaoudhary…

    Both are a state of mind… an inferiority complex… :D :D

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    shan Reply:

    Khap or Black money , its like asking the head or tail of a lump of s h i t

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  • vijay kumar

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    ~~ ANNA SHOULD SIEZE THE MOMENT — OTHERWISE RAHUL WILL SIEZE IT !!
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    tHE SUPPLICANT MEDIA AND THE sycophantic Congress is just wanting Rahul dynastic pricne to sieze this moment.

    The Anna team seems increasingly rigid. They got the issue upfront…

    Now they should understand the dynamics and recede for the moment….

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  • Rajiv

    So the Queens dirty pig, derided and evicted from the palace for raising a stink, hanging around here !!!
    LOL

    @Vijay,
    The Congress has no credibility and thoroughly dishonest in its intent. The demands of Anna team , regarding independent LokAyouks , Lok Ayujkts for states and ability to prosecute lower bureacracy are very important and relevant. The way I see it is that the government will exploit any loophole to prepare a toothless bill.

    Now its upto the government to accept or reject Anna’s demands and face the political consequences. After all, in democracy, people get the party they deserve. Maybe corrupt and brazenly dishonest Congress is what the electorate deserves if it cannot see through the political shenanigans of the congress.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajiv

    Yes, the Congress is dishonest. Right now it has only one motive. To get rahul onto the kursi.

    It also has a lot to hide as in power it has many hugely corrupt members.

    the other point is that Anna is on the 11th day of his fast. It is possible his body may start getting permananently damaged..

    that is what the Congress wants, does;nt it???

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  • shan

    so UNCLE TOM had his a r s e busted by DOT Busters , in newjersey ,and is flapping around in this blog,
    LOL

    This Anna business is frankly becoming ludicrous , even BJP is saying the Jan Lokpal Bill is fullof flaws and openly alignling itself with BJP and Anna only conversing in marathi(that ’s why deshkumh have been sent) is making a mockery of themselves

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    what is wrong if hazare speaks only marathi ….is that a disqualification..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Speaking in Bengali and Tamil is OK because these are languages of Babus…but not marathi.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Lord Maculay had a theory to make Indians look down on Indians who dont speak English. By the way the English Grammer of one Dr Death will make him fail in6 th class NCERT exam LD

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Indian languages are as or more rich as any languages..It is ridiculous to tout one as superior/inferior.. Of course one can say Hindi is spoken and understood by many Indians, English is understood by many internationally; but that does not make those languages any superior.

    Mccauley sccrewed up Indian education sytem..The sad thing is that we have not modified much after independence.. Is therr a lesson Civics, Sanathan dhrma (of course without any religious connotation so as to not to upset non-Hindus)..why is corruption so rampant– is there any course in govt schools imparting character building…How much of Indian history is taught compared to wo0rld history/reformation/renaisssance etc..

    Talking about history, Stuart Mills said he can write India’ s history sitting in England, without having to travel to india..that the history can be written in 200-300 pages..

    We all know what happened to the arrogant invader.. They are sucking to US — Blair was known as George bush’s’ poodle…

    Rajeev Reply:

    BJP is chota bhai of congress so I don’t expect them to be any different.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Dr Death

    Nobody likes you here. have you analysed why?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan,

    “WHEN DID YOU LAST HEAR A MUMBAI STYLE MUSLIM BURNING ORGY IN CALCUTTA”

    Bengalis will convert to Islam rather than fight back (evidence 35% muslims in WB & 92% muslims in Bangladesh).

    “FOR THAT MATTER HOW ABOUT A RAJ THACKERAY TYPE BIHARI AND BHAIYAA(UP)”

    Bengalis have allergy towards hard work (rather just work) so how can they even ask Bhaiyyas and Biharis to leave.

    Whatever you say Mumbai is infinitely more honest than Calcutta. Have you ever lived and worked in Mumbai? I have seen both Mumbai and Calcutta. I can say with all honesty, Calcutta is a total gutter..full of corrupt people, prostitutes and pimps..Sorry, I am hurting your BENGALI nationalism but it is true. WB is gutter of India..even worse than Bihar and UP.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    On Direct action day, bengali hindus chose to get slaughtered rather than fight back. In fact it was cowardice of bengali hindu that accelerated the creation of pakistan.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, you didn’t think I will chicken out , did you. LETS PAY IT BACK FAIR AND SQUARE
    Just A SMALL query , who was that duffer who said “What Bengal thinks today rest of india thinks tomorrow”
    This is UNIVERSITY OF CALCUTTA
    e university enjoys both national and international repute:

    * In 2001 the university was awarded the status of a ‘five star university’ by the National Assessment and Accreditation Council.[4]
    * On 8 December 2005, the Indian University Grants Commission declared Calcutta University as a ‘‘University with Potential for Excellence’’.[21]
    * The Manuscript Library at the university has been recently designated as a Manuscript Conservation Centre under the National Mission for Manuscripts, which was established in 2003.[22]
    * Times Higher Education published its list of the world’s top arts and humanities universities on 10 November 2005. Calcutta University ranked 39 in the list and was the only Indian university to make it to the top 50 that year.
    * The Times Higher Education-QS World University Rankings also ranked the university among the first 500 universities of the world for five consecutive years: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009[23]
    * On 5 January 2010, the National Assessment and Accreditation Council awarded its highest grade of ‘A’ to the university.[4]
    * The 22 May 2010 issue of India Today magazine ranked it within the top five Indian universities (after three central universities), and as India’s best state-government administered university.[
    NOW SOME STATISTICS
    in terms of both crude birth rates and crude death rates, the improvement has been significantly greater than for India as a whole, even though the state already had lower rates than the Indian average. As a result, among the major states, West Bengal in 2008 had the fourth lowest birth rate (after Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Punjab) and the lowest death rate among the major states, even lower than that of Kerala
    SOME MORE OF INTELLECTUAL STUFF
    Despite the continuing controversy, string theory has come to dominate the theoretical end of high-energy physics. Among those physicists who have been dominant players in the field since the earliest days is Ashoke Sen of the Harish-Chandra Research Institute in Allahabad, India. Sen, who was recently recognized by Thomson Scientific as one of India’s Citation Laureates, has more than 12 papers in the last decade alone that have each been cited more than 100 times. Two of his papers, both on the role of so-called “tachyons” in string theory, have been cited more than 300 times, a remarkable number for the relatively small field of high-energy theoretical physics.

    Sen, now 50, received his bachelor’s of science degree in 1975 from Calcutta University, and his master’s three years later from the Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur. He did his doctoral work in physics at SUNY Stony Brook, where he graduated in 1982, subsequently spending the next three years as a post-doc at Fermilab and another two and a half at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC). In March 1988, he moved back to India and the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. Since 1995 he has been a full professor at the Harish-Chandra Research Institute. Between 1998 and 2003, Sen visited the Isaac Newton Institute in Cambridge, U.K., as Rothschild Visiting Professor, and, between 2004 and 2005, was at MIT as Morningstar Visiting Professor
    something about nobel prizes
    Five Nobel Prize winners have been associated with Kolkata:

    * Sir Ronald Ross (1902, Medicine)
    * Rabindranath Tagore (1913, Literature; first Asian to win the Nobel Prize)
    * C V Raman (1930, Physics)
    * Mother Teresa (1979, Peace)
    * Amartya Sen (1998, Economics)
    As for cowardice a plonker like you will be huffing and puffing in the net
    DO YOU KNOW OF A CERTAIN KHUDIRAM BOSE WHO WENT TO GALLOWS AT AGE 16
    AND WHATSURYA SEN DID AT CHITTAGONG, WHICH NO NAQSHBANDI TO MY KNOWLEDGE EVEN DREAMT ABOUT IT
    Civilizations go up and down , if calcutta was that bad HOW COME SANJIV GOENKA IS STAYING PUT , SO ARE THE BIRLAS , with their kitty they can feed the naqshbandi community in lucknow for 50yrs.
    ALSO WHY LAKSHMI MITTAL GOT HIS SOM MARRIED IN CALCUTTA ,
    was he short of a bob or two that he could not afford Bombay

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Agreed with every word of it..A handful of smart bengalis can not compensate of millions of non-working lazy, coward and self-hating bengalis.

    shan Reply:

    Muslims is bangladesh and west bengal is a result of CASTE OPPRESSION , it has nothing to do with foreign invasion or riots , in fact i say worse than oppression WILFUL VICIOUS INDIFFERENCE, they were beyond the pale ,not worthy of a thought , let alone embracing into the larger hindu fold.
    With your warped brain , difficult for you to see things for what they are worth.YOU ARE CONSUMED BY HATRED FOR MUSLIMS , sadly you are aware of it

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “Muslims is bangladesh and west bengal is a result of CASTE OPPRESSION”

    No, there are many muslim converts who have upper caste origin…Most of the bengalis chose to convert rather than die fighting.

    Then these upper caste converts forced lower caste to convert and got a pound of rice for each conversion.

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    shan Reply:

    balderdash

  • vijay kumar

    Dr Death has disappeared for now. I hope he takes this as a time for introspecction and catharsis. I hopw he comes back as a rational, proud to be brown Indian/ migrant. I hope he opns the windows of a closed mind to ideas and poetry…

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    shan Reply:

    @Khap Black(money) Vijay , given your khap culture , the only culture you are exposed to it MUNJRA culture , thus KONKAN geezer is the height of poetic expression for you.
    as for popularity, this is what I think
    Avoid popularity; it has many snares, and no real benefit.
    William Penn
    As for poetry , that you should read and is relevant here

    Should no one come at your call, walk alone

    Walk alone, walk alone, walk alone

    Should no one speak, oh! soul

    Should all turn their faces, all feel afraid

    Then with open heart

    Oh! you must speak out, say alone.

    Should all return, oh! soul

    Should none look around in the journey thro’ the dark

    Then the thorns on the trail

    Oh dear! under your bloodied feet trample them alone.

    Should the light go off, oh soul

    Should on a stormy night all shut their doors

    Then by the thunder and lightning

    Light up your soul, to glow alone.

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  • Ravi

    I N T E R E S T I N G

    Saffron or Secular?

    Right from the time Anna & Co camped and fasted in Jantar Mantar, the idioms used by the protesters, the bhajans during sunset and the invocations to a pop-art Bharat Mata were viewed with increasing suspicion and alarm. The presence of yoga guru Ramdev only added to the discomfort of some sections. The eagerness displayed by the BJP to support Anna lent credence to such fears. Says historian and commentator Dilip Simeon, “Why are political forces that despise the basic structure of the Constitution in full cry when it comes to the demand to ‘oppose corruption’? This matter is related to the very meaning of corruption and how it may be combated. Right-wing politics specialises in emotions and symbolism, whereas the left tends to focus on specific demands around social and economic justice. The right has not created this movement, but is jumping onto the bandwagon because it senses power.”

    In Bangalore, shops in the busy Chickpet, Balepet and Avenue Road shut shop in support of Anna Hazare. Interestingly, these areas are controlled by Marwari traders, who form the core constituency of the BJP. Former chief minister B.S. Yediyurappa, who had said he would sit on dharna, finally did not turn up at the venue. Apparently, the BJP high command had advised him against it, given the cloud he is under. His announcement of support was itself seen as an embarrassment. His anticipatory bail applications in two corruption cases will come up for hearing on Friday.

    FROM: …outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278060

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  • Ravi

    I now know who ASHISH means when he says “JNU Type”

    Born Again Patriot – An anti-corruption movement and the rise of illiberalism
    by Kanti Bajpai Friday 26 August 2011

    Finally, there is the increasing intermixing of religion and the agitation. The first phase of the agitation, before the lok pal bill, saw Anna sitting in front of the image of a Hindu goddess superimposed on the map of India. Anna was joined on the dais by Baba Ramdev. He is now apparently supported by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and Swami Agnivesh. Even as Anna fasts at Ramlila Maidan, the spiritual leader, Bhayyuji Maharaj, has offered to mediate with the government. Supporters shout Hindu religious slogans. From the dais, members of Team Anna have led the crowd in the Hindu devotional song, “Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram”. Suggestions that Anna Hazare has been associated with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh have not gone away. His praise of Narendra Modi, one of the most rightwing leaders in India, is also troubling and is not easily forgotten.

    When we encounter people who invoke stirring images of the Saviour, the Leader, the Way, the Cause, the Nation, Sacrifice and Patriotism in highly charged times, we should worry. When we hear impatient calls for an end to Politics, when we witness religious or spiritual leaders come to the fore of the political stage, and when we hear the militarized language of victory and surrender in teeming crowds, we should fear for the future.

    The author teaches international politics at Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi

    I LIKE JNU TYPES

    No Gora Worship here, he is brown

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Ravi,
    is this the first you have heard of Kanti Bajpai?
    Trust me, you have mot missed much.
    May I just point out that Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram was Gandhiji’s favourite bhajan?

    The rest of the article is such unadulterated trash that I am surprised myself I am wasting time writing a response.

    The first phase of the agitation, before the lok pal bill, saw Anna sitting in front of the image of a Hindu goddess superimposed on the map of India.
    So? I am an atheist but, surely I can’t expect the rest of the world to see the light.

    Anna was joined on the dais by Baba Ramdev. He is now apparently supported by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and Swami Agnivesh.

    Ask not who supports Anna; ask who Anna supports.

    Even as Anna fasts at Ramlila Maidan, the spiritual leader, Bhayyuji Maharaj, has offered to mediate with the government.
    Really? So have hundreds of busibodies and peaceniks and Tv-anchormen and TRP-boosters.

    Supporters shout Hindu religious slogans. From the dais, members of Team Anna have led the crowd in the Hindu devotional song, “Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram”.

    More than any other, this should tell you why JNU types are mad; Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram was Gandhiji’s favourite bhajan and if the half-educated Bajpai knew the next line, he would have recoiled in horror- Ishwar Allah tero naam- it would not have fit his absurd arguments at all.

    Suggestions that Anna Hazare has been associated with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh have not gone away. His praise of Narendra Modi, one of the most rightwing leaders in India, is also troubling and is not easily forgotten.

    No of course not; they will never go away while there are Kanti Bajpais in academia and some similarly educated journos in this country.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    A very fair response.

    However, the subject matter of his article aside, you must admit that there are people who have misgivings about this movement, not because they support corruption, but because they are concerned about street democracy.

    Parliament must be supreme, and all public opinions should be channelled via the parliament.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The same parliament where 30% of MPs are hardcore criminals and 40% belong to dynasty.

    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi,
    bring those to the table and we will have another joust..

    Good night

    shan Reply:

    @ashish.
    raghupati raghav raja ram
    patit pavan sita ram
    ISHWAR ALLAH(holy maccaroni) tero naam (is it)
    sub ko sammati dey bhagwan

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    Rajeev Reply:

    ISHWAR ALLAH(holy maccaroni)

    ya

    ISHWAR ALLAH(holy $hit)

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    For the JNU perverts like kanti Bajpai, I have a ready ‘doha’

    Allah o Akbar, tum ho oonche, baaki sab tere neeche
    Raghupati Raghav aur Pashupati Ishwar hain tere peeche.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Ravi-

    Mahathma Gandhiji’ “Raghupati Raghava Rajaram was not a Hindu hymn…Easwar, ALLAH there mm — sabko sanmathi de bhagawan —

    When you or the author says it is a Hindu hymn you a re belittling it…and belittling Mahathma Gandhi..i
    What is wrong with an imainary Bbharat Mata being depicted with some “Mata’ …
    What is wrong with singing Vande Mataram…

    What is wrong if Ravi Shankar supports him/ Ravishankar is not a Hindu leader; he is a Indian leader–happens to teach yoga…he is not telling anybody to pray to Rama or Krishna

    It is your corrupt mind who see things ypou want to see… Well, upto you..
    For your “identity” is contunuously debated here anyway.
    For you may not want a corruption-free India…..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This is Zia’s kind of mentality..anything remotely hindu is allergic to Jehadis like ravi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    At a personal level I love the bhajan. I grew up singing it at my school assembly.

    However, whilst I do not doubt the secular origins of the bhajan, the author seems to be suggesting that it is being “Hinduised” by its juxtaposition with all other assets on the stage and other very Hindu Slogans that accompany the rendition of the this excellent bhajan.

    That is the impression I get when I read the article, which I quoted.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “At a personal level I love the bhajan. I grew up singing it at my school assembly.”

    Does it start with “Allah-o-bakbar..death to kafirs”?

    Ashish Reply:

    @Ravi,
    I have been to India Gate and Ramlila Maidan and the slogans have been lampooning Sibal, Sonia, Manmohan, Rahul etc.. during the time I was there, I did not spot/ hear any Hindu/ Hindutva slogans.
    In a mammoth gathering of this kind, you would expect a lot of folks from all shades of opinion. I sensed a strong anti-UPA undercurrent; which you would agree is only to be expected. But. anti-Muslim/ aggressive Hindu motifs were not present. Unless you call slogans like “wah UPA, yeh teri kahani, Anna ko jail aur Kasab ko biriyani” as anti-Muslim.
    Sorry, I know that was below the belt.

    Rajeev Reply:

    1. ” Hindu goddess superimposed on the map of India.”
    That is Bharat Mata also revered by member of HSRA and Congress in Raj days. Only a Jehadi/muslim appease will see hindu goddess in that.

    2. Baba Ramdev
    He is supported by many Maulvis..See the videos.

    3. Swami Agnivesh
    He is the biggest Maoist supporter in India and he even mocked hindu faith in Amarnath yatra. Infact he must be favorite of Jehadis like Ravi.

    4. Sri Sri Ravishankar
    He is more of an international Baba in the business of money.

    5. Slogans
    Vande Matram, Bharat Mata ki Jai, Jai Hind are not hindu slogan but part of our freedom struggle. Only progenies of Jinnah will call it hindu.

    6. Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram
    This Bhajan is perfect example of Gandhi’s submissiveness towards muslims. I can’t even imagine any muslim equating Ram with Allah but Gandhi accorded Allah status of Ram.

    This article was from JNU jholawallahs who find justification for maoist and Islamic violence so these are views that can be compared to Zaid Hamid’s views.

    Obviously terrorist Ravi without even understanding the issues vomits it on this blog.

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  • Ashish

    Balwinder et al,
    I doubt it should matter – but, I have never doubted Ravi being a old time Delhiite..
    I do doubt his sanity at times :D but, country of origin, No.

    I do think you need to get the context – Ravi left the country when he was relatively young, so, in my opinion, he is still fixated on certain ideas and constructs.
    While I have frequently faulted him on logic and facts, it is only to be expected of someone who does not live in the country any more.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I am not sure if I should be grateful for this curates egg or not.

    Thanks any way, however, I feel your efforts, well meant as they are, are futile.

    After all, if it is possible for me to knit tall yarns to prove that I did go to the AFCS, convert them into SENT emails and forward them to a self appointed forensic pathologist specialing in post mortaring dead e-mails. Additionally, doctor a BA Ticket Confirmation by replacing my real Muslim name with my fake Hindu name, then it should be not beyond my means to create an Account named Ashish and then post this self supporting post.

    This is heads I win and tails you loose.

    Major Major Major, scenario.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Ravi,
    correspondence on this topic should now cease :)
    If you fight the urge to respond to each and every post, I expect things will die down.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ashish,
    You are ever ready to give clean chit to this Jehadi. He may be an Indian but he is a potential terrorist. You don’t need e-mails to verify that just going thru Ravi’s posts should be enough.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ashish,
    I also don’t doubt Ravi’s nationality but he surely is not a Hindu or sikh.

    He is a computer jehadi just like Zia.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Rajeev,
    Whats the point of arguing if Ravi is a Hindu, Sikh or some hijra ?
    He has been exposed as a liar and a anti-India propogandist ( the kind that you find from criminal Pakistan ) in his postings on caste and rapes.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I agree with you. He will even sell his father for his jehadi ideology.

  • Rajiv

    Flash news : Its reported that when Nirodh Chaudhury died , his pig found his way into the Queens pig hole in London and has been masquandering as one of the ‘royal pigs’. However, the stink that pig raised ( it also had a short dark stature and a funny accent ) , exposed him, and he has been kicked out and found to have found temporary refuge in the HT blogs.

    If you see it, please don’t kick it. The authorities are looking to deport him to Bangladesh as India has refused to accept it for being of sub-standard quality and lacking any intellectual merit.

    lol

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    shan Reply:

    Breaking News, when a punjabi stoway from Calcutta landed in usa, he was penniless , but true to his family tradition had bought a pack of white powder.. This saw him through till the white powder and dollar both ran out . HE was pimping for a while , till his MUG SHOT appeared in local newspapers. Abandoned by his family and friends , he has taken recourse to HT blogs to vent his frustration , at being a FALTU,
    an utter failure in life , having acheived nothing including carnal pleasure , for that white powder saw to it , that” the organ” remained in slumber like his filbut

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  • shan

    Let naqshbandis not fall prey to random thoughts, some HARD data about CALCUTTA

    Residents of Kolkata are called Calcuttans. According to the provisional population of 2011, Kolkata city has a population of 4,486,679,[4] while the urban agglomeration had a population of 13,216,546 in 2001. The sex ratio is 928 females per 1000 males[91] – which is lower than the national average, because many working males come from rural areas and neighbouring states (mainly Bihar, UP, Orissa), where they leave behind their families. Kolkata’s literacy rate of 81%[92] exceeds the all-India average of 66%.[93] Kolkata Municipal Corporation area has registered a growth rate of 4.1%, which is the lowest among the million-plus cities in India.[94]

    Bengali comprise the majority of Kolkata’s population, with Marwaris and Bihari communities forming a large portion of the minorities.[95] Some of Kolkata’s minor communities include Chinese, Tamils, Nepalis, Oriyas, Telugus, Assamese, Gujaratis, Anglo-Indians, Armenians, Greeks, Tibetans, Maharashtrians, Konkanis, Malayalees, Punjabis and Parsis. Tibetans mostly came as traders. There were also many Armenians, Greeks and Jews, although these have declined in 20th century. After the establishment of Israel, many Jews left to live in Israel and the size of the Jewish community had a severe decrease.[96] Chinatown in the eastern part of the city of Kolkata is the only Chinatown in the country. The locality was once home to 20,000 ethnic Chinese, now the population has dropped to 2,000 or so. The traditional occupation of the Chinese community here had been working in the nearby tanning industry and the Chinese restaurants.[97]

    Bengali is the dominant language spoken in Kolkata, which also serves as the Official State Language. English is also used, particularly by the white-collar work force.[6]

    According to the census, 73% of the population in Kolkata is Hindu, 23% Muslim, 2% Christian and 1% Jains. Other minorities such as Sikhs, Buddhist, Jews and Zoroastrian constitute the rest of the city’s population.[90] 1.5 million people, who constitute about a third of the city’s population, live in 2,011 registered and 3,500 unregistered (occupied by squatters) slums.[98]

    Kolkata reported 67.6% of total Special and Local Laws (SLL) crimes registered in 35 Indian mega cities in 2004.[99] Kolkata police district registered 10,757 IPC cases in 2004, which was 10th highest in the country.[100] The crime rate in the city was 71 per 100,000 against the national rate of 167.7 in 2006, which is the lowest among all the mega cities in India.

    oh by the way WHERE IS DHARAVI is it near now closed Purabi cinema hall in ballygunge, just a small query

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Calcutta still remains the gutter of Asia..a city populated by beggars, rickshaw pullers, prostitutes, pimps and fake intellectuals.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    RAVI’S NATIONALITY”””””””””
    sigh, does it matter? Views do.
    At Zia’s blog once in an explosive debate on Sonia Gandhi I had said that those who love India are Indians.
    Therefore Sonia, Mark Tully, Mother Theresa, Brett Lee, Patrick French and Dr Mishra are Indians.
    Geelani isnt, take his passport away and extern him.
    You dont like Sonia’s name on this list because you dislike her politics ? – fine- but her politics are a damn side better that Amar Singh and Mulayam Yadav

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  • shan

    SOME MYTH AND CANARD BUSTING EXERCISE

    Bombay may be India’s “arch-metropolis”, as Mukul Kesavan says in his article, “A sense of place” (May 27), but Calcutta also has a strong claim upon this epithet. Pan-Indian dreams can be dreamt as much, if not more, in Calcutta as in Bombay. Right from the days of the British raj till the present ‘communist’ era, Calcutta has attracted outsiders. Thus, far from being “densely Bengali”, as Kesavan says, Calcutta has a fairly mixed population, a large percentage of which is non-Bengali. Had Kesavan visited the city at a time prior to the municipal elections, he would have seen that setting aside a few fringe areas like Shyambazar or Jadavpur, most of the city is dominated by election banners and posters in Hindi, Urdu and English. Even the language of the election campaigns is mostly Hindi.

    This change in the city’s linguistic make-up was inevitable, given the large influx of non-Bengalis into Calcutta in recent years. Parts of Calcutta that were Bengali-dominated even a couple of years ago have been transformed into miniature Rajasthan, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Kerala or Andhra Pradesh almost overnight. The reason behind this change is not hard to find. Not just food but also education, health and transport are cheaper in Calcutta than in the other metropolitan cities of India. Besides, Calcutta is perhaps the only Indian city where non-indigenous people are made to feel at home. Unlike in Bombay, no Shiv Sena-like regional outfit has ever gained ground in Calcutta. So people from all over India flock to Calcutta in search of fortune. Yet, people of the ‘progressive’ states will continue to call Calcutta ‘backward’.

    If absence of provincialism is the hallmark of a cosmopolitan city, then Calcutta would rank far ahead of Bombay. Although Marathis are just a part of the population of Bombay, as Bengalis are of Calcutta, yet Maharashtra state authorities have seen to it that knowledge of Marathi remains compulsory for getting jobs in the government or in the education sector in Bombay. No inhabitant of Bombay can dream of passing his board examinations or getting a job in the state government without being familiar with Marathi. In contrast, in Calcutta, people can enjoy all amenities and services without the slightest acquaintance with the language of the city. Rather, a Bengali would completely be at sea in Calcutta if he does not know Hindi or English. In fact, Bengalis consciously avoid using their mother tongue in public and start conversing in Hindi or English at the slightest pretext. Thus Calcutta, dominated by non-Bengalis — numerically, culturally as well as economically — is the numero uno cosmopolitan Indian city, having no distinct identity of its own

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @Balwinder, that ’swabhiman and deshbhakti ene-m-a of yours with elaichi and haldi’ , are you planning to market it?
    Wish someone could administer it to Kanti Bajpai, Jawed Naqvi, Dr Zakir Naik, Geelani and the BCCI who seem obsessed with hiring mediocre foreign coaches- the latest being Duncan Fletcher. After all, who had coached Kapil, Gavaskar, Tendulkar and Vinoo Mankad?

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  • shan

    @Rajeev , your lines

    The same parliament where 30% of MPs are hardcore criminals and 40% belong to dynasty.

    a polite query , where did these MP,s come from , DID THEY PARAGLIDE INTO THE LUTYEN BUILT WONDER, did they come from Talahasse or from apalachian mountain or perhaps Boulder, colarado.
    Or did the ISI trained jehadis escort these MP’s into the safe enclosure of the parliament.

    SURELY INDIAN PEOPLE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CASTING THEIR VOTES , ON THE BASIS OF WHICH THEY GOT THEIR SEAT IN THE PARLIAMENT.

    Or do you think ,we should try agni 3 to see it accuracy and how it can turn it into dust.After all it is a MLECHA designed building , how can it serve a HINDU NATION

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  • http://- Rajeev

    “where did these MP,s come from”

    These kind of people were elected by people like you who believe in Mai-Baap culture..unfortunately such kind of people form the majority in India.

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    shan Reply:

    So WHY DID YOU FORSAKE INDIA WHEN YOU ARE SO UNIQUE , SO RIGHT IN MAKING CHOICE , we indians will have to make do with with we are WE ARE NOT BLESSED WITH YOUR NAQSHBANDI ACCUMEN in always making the right choice.
    LIKE YOU MADE FOR YOURSELF , PACKED YOUR BAG AND TOOK THE FIRST FLIGHT AFTER GETTING VISA TO LAND IN UNCLE SAM’S LAND

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Who told you that I had given up my Indian citizenship but unlike you I don’t drum around my citizenship status.

    I did not beg for Visa but got it based on merit.

    Come out of Socialist India mindset..now world is open to everyone. If you can deliver, you will get hired anywhere.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    May I ask why did you forsake great nation of Bengal if you are so proud of it?

    Poor Bengal needs competent doctors like you. You have Indian passport so you don’t even need a Visa to get there.

    Let there be no outsider to showcase poverty of Bengal to the world (as Teresa did), you being a bengali can do a much better job.

    On a serious not, how can you be proud of $hithole called Bengal? Seriously…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    typo corrected-
    On a serious note, how can you be proud of $hithole called Bengal? Seriously…

    Manohar_T Reply:

    And in his hurry to catch the flight, he slipped and fell in a cauldron – the contents of which were hate-mongering, venom-spewing, a choice of abusive lexicon and preconceived notions.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shut up..and catch your damn flight..

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Thank you, Rajeev, for your confirmation that you actually fell in that infamous cauldron.

  • pankaj#1

    Guys;
    Today, it is Friday, the scorching work schedule is over, or is it? I am sequestreded in a hotel room, do not like to use my lap top for security reason, but what the heck?
    Have been missing my cyber friends and foes, Ha.
    From where I should start? from comfort level or not so? As a human weakness, I will straret with comfort level. Shenoy Sahab, You have wasted your life in a bank, you are a UN material. Vijay, would have considered you as my hero in my youth. Hope to see you in a couple of months in Delhi. Gopi and other friends, it is only work pressure, which is stalling me. I am feeling guilty even now. Mishraji, Balwinderji, have a very strong presence in UK and can visit,as easily, as from Paharganj to Mayur Vihar.list is not complete.
    For people, I am not comfortable, Rajeev, Prabhat, excepted. Shan, You can contribute, but, if you do not have a compulsion to get a fix, on daily basis, for abuses. I still wonder, where you get so much time, to quote all the writers. Medicine is very very busy profession. I have yet to meet an intellectual, who Tom Tom, that he is an Intellectual.Infact, I employ people, who shouyld be your teachers and mentors. Sorry, it is money and intellect power.Even my son interact with Nobel prize winners on one to one basis. I can bet good money, if you can understand his one paper, as it is not on Wikipedia as yet.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “For people, I am not comfortable, Rajeev, Prabhat,”

    What did I do to offend you? Just wondering..

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    shan Reply:

    @pankaj #1, your braggadicio , is just like BALWINDER, not surprising is it .
    I can quote because i have a library in my home.In english culture having a library is same as having (in 100% cases) a mercedes benz car for punjabis of all religious denomination

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  • pankaj#1

    OK, that was getting a bit longer.
    Ravi, you are trying really hard, to redeem yourself. From an address to me, as Chamar, you have come a long way. You are not using foul language since, a couple of months.
    I treat you as an Indian, who is confused, as an Indian Muslim with hidden agenda and a Pakistani, masqerading as an Indian. Your description of Delhi and its institutions are reassuring as well as alarming.
    Do not want to write further, with only one requesrt, do not abuse, my reactions are not in my control.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan,
    I’d appreciate if you can express your secular views on Deganga riots-
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Deganga_riots

    Just wondering why did bengali hindus and bengali media not notice these riots? Were they afraid or simply intellectually busy nitpicking problems in others?

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    shan Reply:

    Utter Bollocks , THEY BEING SENSIBLE PEOPLE DOUSED THE FIRE BEFORE IT GOT OUT OF HAND.Muslim or hindu children being burnt alive may be a visual fest for you , but not to sensible people in west bengal, .for them it is a reprehensible act. They are proud to have the state free from Communal conflagration which affects EACH AND EVERY STATE OF INDIA , barring SIKKIM
    If you really MISS KILLING FIELDS , then you should have enrolled yourself in one of the parties during the NAXAL ERA of 1970.There were PLENTY OF KILLING GOING ON TO WHET YOUR APPETITE

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    Ashish Reply:

    Rajeev,
    to be fair the issue was highlighted by Chandan Mitra and Kanchan Gupta in Pioneer – both bongs, albeit Delhi based.
    You can’t expect much from the Calcutta based media- they are pathetic. They are all trying to open a market in Bangladesh and speaking the truth about infiltration harms the “cause”.

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  • shan

    @rajeev, your lines

    I can say with all honesty, Calcutta is a total gutter..

    Well you are a bigger plonker than i thought .I reminds me of gandhi’s remark “Drain Inspectors Report”.I have been to Lucknow ,there are plenty of open nalas there.so naturally you got attached to nalas and sought out gutters and left out the culture. so let me EDUCATE you.
    You didn’t think it was worth your while to visit NATIONAL LIBRARY(yes it is NATIONAL , that means LIBRARY OF INDIA ,LIKE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS OR BODELIAN LIBRARY OF OXFORD)
    it is just not the architecture BUT THE COLLECTION.Next is ASIATIC SOCIETY , a complete brainwashed muslim hating psycho wont be able to appreciate its collection of PRAKRIT AND PALI (that is pre sanskrit) manuscripts in its treasure.THE INDIAN MUSEUM(yes again INDIAN, that means NATIONAL MUSEUM) IS AWONDER BEYOND DESCRIPTION. A limited taste and sensibility person like you wont be able to appreciate , no wonder you gave it a miss.
    There is a massive collection of skeletons , including that of a whale.Prof Amulya saha from my college , did comparative anatomy studies , and discovered something called ZERO POSITION OF SHOULDER JOINT.This did not get that attention , till 25yrs later AMERICAN RESEARCHERS equipped with Electromyographic studies , confirmed that each and every word he said was true , though had appeared revolutionary at the time.They republished his work In CLINICAL ORTHOPAEDICS AND RELATED RESEARCH with the title “The Classic”
    I can spend the whole day writing , then i have better thing to do,like making Cassoulet for the weekend.However the GREATEST attraction of Calcutta , which completely passed you by THEATRE.
    What follows is addressed to RAVI as I don’t think Rajeev or Balwinder or the others would have the sensibility to appreciate.
    I had watched NANDIKAR’S rendition of Arthur miller’s A VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE,they renamed
    it GOTRA HEEN(without gotra). It was spell binding. For the italian family they had substituted a BANGLADESHI illegal immigrant family in kiderpore.I read the piece by Miller in UK , it is apparently taught in schools at class11.
    And whoever had not seen BADAL SIRCAR and his STREET PLAYS , has not seen Tajmahal.
    His theatre was in the PARKS/MAIDAN.no props , no make up , no sets.
    just open air ,LIKE THE ACTS OF MADARIS.
    But with MIMEand CHOREOGRAPHY and WHISTLING he used to create the illusion of a train running past. the name of his plays were incredibleCAPTAIN HURRAH
    recently I watched CHEKOV’S The Cherry Orchard in national theatre in southbank.
    It brought back memories of having watched NANDIKAR and ajitesh banerjee performing the same play in a theatre in north calcutta (rangana). To me the British play was like DAVID DHAWAN , whereas nandikar was SATYAJIT RAY.
    And there is MARBLE PALACE , india’s ONLY private collection of EUROPEAN renaissance and eighteenth century painting collection.
    THEN AS THEY SAY DO NOT CAST PEARLS BEFORE PEOPLE WITH AN AFFINITY TO GUTTERS.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ashish

    I have seen great Bong Engineers and most importantly seen gr8 bong workers in Delhi construction sites. Especailly foremen/supervisors and bar benders and so on. They do an efficient job here.

    I bet they won’t do so in Bengal. Wonder what goes wrong.

    The best kept secret of the Delhi/NCR construction boom is that it is driven by Bihari labour and Orissa plumbers. Ever since Nitish Kumar came in, the flow of workers from Bihar has slowed down.

    Hope somthing dramatic happens in Bengal… so that an actual Bengal renassiance takes place…

    A port city which still attracts people from all over the east and was once a leader in industrial manufacturing deserves better.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Vijay,
    “I have seen great bong engineers….”.. well you haven’t met me; then, whatever good impressions have been built over the years would have come crashing down :-P

    Oriya plumbers were in demand even in Calcutta as were Bihari labour in construction sites.. I guess it is pretty universal.
    I will never (well, don’t tempt providence!) go back to live in Calcutta; but, I love going back for visits. The food is outstanding, for one. Plus, there is a language connect and believe it or not, the city is cleaner than many parts of Delhi- the roads are better metaled and the water logging that folks talk about is not as bad as Bombay and the drainage is definitely better than Delhi- if Delhi had so much rains, we would be drowned in 2 storey high water.
    The work culture of Calcutta and Bengal has been spoilt by the CPM but, the sad truth is, that the Congress (trinamool or INC) will take it downhill even more.
    The good things in Calcutta are that with the all pervasive Bong-ness of the place, it is not parochial like Chennai or Bombay is- I have lived everywhere ;-) and if you want a relaxed life, it is a great place to be in.
    Bengalis have been traditionally non-entrepreneurial though that is changing. I guess the state needs a Nitish like person to provide some leadership.
    Getting passionate about Messi playing in Calcutta is all fine, but we need to introspect and ask ourselves why we do not produce a good (forget great) foootballer anymore.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Now let me make a guess… about your area of engineering. Electronics… compueter hardawre??/

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay, it is EcE; you are dead right.
    But, I am a blot on the fair name of my college.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ ashish

    i have very pleasant memories of kolkata when I used to hop across over the weekend for English movies / martial arts/ music albums(LP’s) and books. I am yet to find a place that could beat kolkata for variety of food at a reasonable price ! In late seventies, they used serve drink in movie hall ( was it Jyoti?). That used to be my secret pleasure ! Even during initial years of my professional career, i used to visit kolkata to hunt for good jazz music albums and books.
    The city definitely grows on you.

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat, I remember my late father took me to see a movie in Jyoti .It was the only cinema hall in India at that time with 70mm screen , I dont remember great deal about the film , i was just a kid then , but having just arrived from patna, it was a culture shock for me.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    I believe trams don’t run anymore there in Kolkata. I must say those slow moving trams in bylanes of kolkata had a special charm about them. One could hop-in and hop-off anywhere, have the local speciality and move on. What a way to discover kolkata !

    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , That is one thing calcutta needs , BRAND NEW MODERN TRAMS.
    In germany THEY DOUBLE AS TRAINS AND RUN AT 60MILES /HR like the stretch between cologne and Bonn.
    Trams are still there in calcutta , but reduced in numbers and route

    Ashish Reply:

    Prabhat,
    yes; music albums.. and second hand books and street food (Momos at Elgin road, beef kebabs at Kolutolla) late night/ early morning dinner at Sher e Punjab and beer at Trincas (The other room, if you are short on cash).
    I have not (except for 2 years in my mid twenties) ever lived in Calcutta as an adult; not sure if the movie hall was Jyoti; maybe it was Metro or Lighthouse- I am almost sure they had a bar.
    Yes, I have seen Cal have those effects on people; I like it for short visits where I always try to have at least one lunch at Mocambo and buy pastries from Flury’s.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Shan

    “.. Jyoti. It was the only cinema hall in India at that time with 70mm screen”.

    Don’t think so. The first was Sheila in Delhi and the second was either Eros or Regal in Bombay.

    IIRC, the first 70mm film to be released in India was “My Fair Lady”, sometime in 1964/65.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ashish

    You know that early morning smoke from the chulla of tea vendors, idlying creacking sound of tongas, empty streets, aging sleeping tall buildings and occasional bell from the tram…it used to be so lyrical !

    I guess kolkata helped my creative mind develop to a large extent.

    In mid eighties, the traffic got so bad that it was no more a pleasure travelling there. Almost 3 hours from the Park Street to Howrah ! People say it’s much better now. Hope I make to kolkata soon.

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @ Prabhat, just saw your question to me- how nostalgic are my kids towards India.

    Answer is simple- be proactive in showcasing for them the best Of India and Indian culture. A lot of NRI kids here hate going to India for it often means only a trip back to some small town or village in Gujrat or Bengal.

    I had a golden rule- we go to India EVERY YEAR- 2-3 weeks with relatives, 1 week strictly for tourism. They have seen Kovalam, Goa, Himalayas, Mahabaleshwar, Rajasthan etc. I make no apologies that we stay in 5 stars and travel by air or a/c car.
    Result- THEY LOVE INDIA and love meeting their relatives, some of whom live in small towns.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    My house is also full of zillions of books- 75% are based in or are about India. My children cherry pick some info from there.So my kids know that Chanakya wrote the epic Arthashastra 1700 years before Adam Smith Wealth of nations.
    Last night we all watched BBC 2 documentary- India on 4 wheels. At the end, the presenter – a brit Indian Anita Rani, quite lovely, exclaimed- these are exciting times in India and I a British Indian am very proud that I have the best of both worlds.
    My childrens sentiments exactly.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    I am glad your children and grand children are as enthusiastic about India as you are.
    I guess it’s your top down enthusiasm that has kept them stay connected with India. Bravo !

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    shan Reply:

    Smug B mishra’s line
    . I make no apologies that we stay in 5 stars and travel by air or a/c car.

    My line (borrowed)
    Vanity keeps persons in favor with themselves who are out of favor with all others”

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  • Prabhat

    @ Vijay

    Any idea what are Advani’s objections to JanLokpal Bill ?

    He was very assertive that few things can not be passed. But Sushma, Jaitley and Gadhakari say that they are all okay with JanLokPal Bill draft.

    There is no news about Advani’s specific objections. Do you have any clue?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    In the end we need a strong Lok Pal that Bofors like and 2G type scams dont take place. Advani may be looking into the technicalities and pronouncing his verdict.

    however Rahul is the real villian. At one point he is trying to ride the Lok pal horse– which his Party, his Father and grandmother delayed for 42 years. But he damns Anna and was trying to give it a communal color by saying that some group (read Hindu) will use the method to destroy the plurality of India….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    If a version of the LokPal bill has been stalled by Congress for the last 42 years, then why did the BJP Government not pass it, when it came to power.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    The BJP intoroduced it a number of times. It was expected to win in 2004 and would have probably taken it up. But you cant blame everything on a 5 year old kid for all the probllems of a 42 year old man…. ;)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I am certain that your analogy that BJP was 5 years old, is not true.

    BJP was a substantial re-branding exercise for its direct predecessor the Jan Sangh.

    If they were REALLY interested in passing the LokPal Bill, then they could have.

    The real reason is that when a society is corrupt from top to bottom, then how can one expect a LokPal bill to be passed.

    To defeat corruption one has to change society, not merely argue over drafting of a bill.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    They had power only for 5 years while Congress had 42..I think that is what Vijay implies

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I did get that.

    But is 5 years too short for passing a bill that has been languishing for 42 years.

    I think not.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I am trying to find out those very technicalities that Advani might have raised which Sushma, Jaitley, Gadhakari, You and I are not aware of.

    You have any clues ?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Frankly no clues. In the end all parties would want to take credit for getting the Lok Pal in. Even it meant adding an a or a comma here or there…

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  • Ravi

    Pankaj

    You are a man of letters; you must possess some analytical skills.

    I suggest you use both these hard earned qualities. You are not cut out to be a sycophant, though you show predilection towards it.

    When commenting about abusive language, do pay attention to provocations, relentless goading, and a consciously biased style of dialectics.

    If I scare you, then you are afraid of yourself, not me.

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  • vijay kumar

    At the end of the day, Vijay may be a good beer mate… and maybe a not so good politician….

    So even if team Anna succeeds…. we should take them to be good for this issue. And not Gods who can pronounce words of wisdom on everything…..

    Like one guy on the blog ou here wants to be known as an authority ;)

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Too abstract !

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    In this nation we find a god and expect him to have perfect views on everything. For example, Rahul Gandhi’s views on space missions will get more prominence than say Madhavan nair’s.

    Team India is surrounded by a bunch of individuals who have been good to get this issue upfront and also force all political parties to take some action on the LOk Pal.

    However I would have serious differences on their opinions on other issues and would not want them to use this platform to force the rest of the country to follow their ideas on those issues.

    For example
    a) Prashant Bhushan was instrumental in getting cases against KPS Gill and his team in Punjab, even though Gill was the guy who killed the Paksitan trained terrorists and killed the Khalistani movement. For Prashant it was easy to play the human rights lawyer later and talk about the rights of terrorists– as Arundhati does today in jammu and Kashmir.— but he could not offer any hope for the victims of terrorists.3

    b) Medha Patkar got it wrong on the Narmada issue. Hydel is the most eco friendly way of power generationl. The substitutes like coal, oil and nuclear are environmentally damaging as well as very expensive.

    So I would not want such people to dictate policies….

    Got it Prabhat… ;)

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Medha was fighting for the rights of people displaced

    I think if Govt. is sensitive to the needs of people, then there would be no need for Medha & Co to hit street. Same is the case for Anna.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat
    Absolutely right…

    The issue is the trampling on the people’s rights; fair treatment of people. 99% of the time, it is not the politician’s fault — it is the bureaucrats’.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat and Gopi

    As for Medha, she did not shed any tears for the women and men in Gujarat who needed drinking water in Gujarat. She was making this a MPvs Maharasthra vs Gujrat story.

    I am with each and every person dipslced in a devleopment project. There needs to be a policy which integrates all those people as an opportunity.

    Many a time townships come up when a power project comes up. Why not alloment of commercial shops to people ? I have seen projects come up in Noida and Gurgaon and Noida. In both places farmers became property brokers, contractors truckers etc etc.

    however other dimensions can be added so that compensaton is enhanced. As well as reservation in schools,colleges built on these areas, is assured. Loans for small scale industry etc should be given.

    Wish I could go on a hunger strike for this one !! :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    you are on a hunger strike ?

    No issue. Our doctor blog mates will send you some energy pills to help you survive.

    When you break the fast, a big lassi courtesy Balwinder and a lager on me.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay

    Terrorists /victims is one way of looking; anotherway of looking is the constitutional rights bestowed on every citizen.. Prashant by engaging in the KPS Gill case does not mean that he was fro terrorism or he was not concerned for the victims. In a wierd sense, may be he is motivated in the Anna thing because he believes the rights are trampled on by corrupt politicians and bureucrats.

    Medha Patkar’s objection was not hydel vs coal issue.. I believe her concern was downstream flow impact and upstream flooding issues.

    I do get your point….

    I remeber reading somewhere about a remark Shrimathi Sarojini Naidu made about Mahathmaji after independence “that we (the govt) have to spend couple of “first class bogey expenses” to ensure Mahathmaji travels by third class”

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Greetings from Brighton- had a game of tennis early morning and now relaxation whole day.
    WHY PPL ARE SO REGIONALISTIC HERE- childish. I have seen Pagla ghoda- play- and I enjoy haasya kavi sammelans. I enjoy Raahat Fateh Ali Khan but most of all I loved watching Katrina Kaif do belly dance in Sheila ki jawani

    (but only if the vottee is not near me- she makes caustic remarks about dirty old men which I ignore – I tell her she needs to respect Tukish and Arabic culture of belly dance)

    now where was I- yes, stop this regionalism. DR SHAN, nice you are proud of bengali culture- even I love it, would have loved to have had MOON MOON SEN in my arms- she looked lovely in bikinis- there I go again…

    But DR SHAN- how come you are silent about your Dutch ancestry. Does anyone know why shan has Dutch genes ??

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    imagine- the hotel has Zee tv and Star- I have just seen Sushma Swaraj – she is growing on me, future cabinet minister, ??PM
    SAYS- BJP and Vajpayee had no probs with PM being under Lokpal when it was discussed in 2004.
    SHE ALSO SAID SOMETHING BRILLIANT- about Manmohan- hamarey PM kuch boltey hi nahin hain, aur jab boltey hain to koi sunta hi nahin hai.
    hehe

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ balwinder

    Looks like MMS did not recite a poem for her. She expects MMS to do that for her every time.

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  • shan

    @balwinder, given your mindset , be careful in inviting a cheap t a r t to your hotel if your testosterone level suddenly has a surge. minimal use protection , otherwise you will need to take retroviral drugs ,

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Prabhat, Vijay

    Advani has not stated specific objections, to me he was implying that certain provisions wouldnt stand the test of the current law. (then, as a statesman, he should have mentioned such and such law will have to be changed by parliament)

    I believe it is an ego issue – that something, whether diluted or strong, more probably on the strong side, is going to be passed; something he could not do when he was HM.

    Vijay is right – all will take credit; but that is OK… politicians are supposed to do that.

    I am bewildered why Rahul made those remarks at 11th hour. Again, congress is putting foot in the mouth ad infinetum… Congress needs good PR advisors, BJP needs solid performers..

    Salman Khurshid may be thw winner from UPA side if this passes..(Pranab as ussual ends up carrying water).. and Arvind has come across as a cool collected guy in control.. looks and age does nt hurt either .. It is funny, that when the media writes about Rahul, they state “young leader”; I believe Arvind is around the same age too.

    Obviously, there are more hurdles before a good bill will be passed. We all should be proud, technicalities and procedural objections aside, that an “ordinary peasant” could wear the mantle and mobilize the whole country to achieve something good. It should make us the bloggers think what we could do ourselves.. The man transformed a village, town, and to some extent india.. Can each of us to something little for our communities..

    BTW Mayawati has already come out with her demands that Lokpal committee should have SC/ST reservation!

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    When i look back at this whole episode/movement, there is only one bad thing that stands out–that was the “bahujan movement” (that did not really take off). May be a political party instigated that, may be not.

    But it is a lesson in polittics — however well meaning anything is, make sure all groups are coopted for a movement to succeed.

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  • Ravi

    Ashish

    When I suggested that Parliament should be supreme, you cynically sneered at the idea. I am assuming that your stance was entirely based upon the fact that democracy in India has been hijacked by criminal elements, who will defend their interests by thwarting any effort to bring about anti-corruption legislation.

    I have some sympathy with your stance.

    However, if the criminalization of our leaders/politicians has reached un-sustainable levels then perhaps that is the problem which we need to tackle before we pass anti-corruption bills. This is because the former is more important than the latter and one could say that the two are conjugally related.

    The article I quote here details the level of the problem we have in India, where politics/business/crime is reaching Russian proportions, if it has not already surpassed it.

    Towards free and fair elections in India (criminalization perspective)( source – the Hindu)

    After the Karnataka Assembly election results were announced, Chief Election Commissioner N. Gopalaswami, in an article, “Election, a democratic festival?” (The Hindu, May 31), disclosed the following:

    When the Commission discharges its obligation of implementing the law, political parties are accusing it of throttling democracy; there is a danger of our democracy being hijacked by the demon of unaccounted wealth earned unscrupulously and spent to grab power; unscrupulous candidates are hijacking elections with their money power; nobody who has closely watched the scenario all these years can say money and liquor do not play a part in the elections; the value of hard cash, liquor and goodies seized in Karnataka was Rs.45.57 crore; if muscle power is employed in poorer States, it is money power in richer States; and if we do not want our democracy hijacked by unaccounted wealth, we should sit up and take notice before it is too late.

    These revelations clearly demonstrate that the Election Commission is helpless and unable to initiate concrete action to curb criminalisation of politics which primarily implies the use of money and muscle power by politicians.

    In this context, it is relevant to recall what the former Chief Election Commissioner, of India, V.S. Rama Devi, said in the book How India Votes, Election Laws, Practice and Procedure. “Where the existing laws are absent and yet a situation has to be tackled, the Chief Election Commissioner has not to fold his hands and pray to god for divine inspiration to enable him to exercise his functions and to perform his duties or to look to any external authority for the grant of powers to deal with the situation. He must lawfully exercise his power independently … and see that the election process is completed properly in a free and fair manner.”

    A Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court in the case of Mohinder Singh Gill and another vs. the Chief Election Commissioner (AIR 1978 SC 851) held that under Article 324, the Commission is entitled to exercise certain powers in its own right in an area not covered by the Representation of the People Act and Rules; the Commission shall act in conformity with any valid law made by Parliament or any State Legislature and where the law is silent, Article 324 is a reservoir of power for it to act for the purpose of pushing forward, but not divorced from, a free and fair election.

    Poll reforms were presented by successive Election Commissioners — Sen Verma in 1972, S.L Shakdhar in 1977, R.K. Trivedi and Perisastri, and T.N. Seshan in 1992 — aimed at eradicating criminalisation of politics. A committee with Union Home Secretary M.N. Vohra as Chairman said in its report that mafia gangs enjoyed the patronage of local level politicians and that some gang members even got elected to the Assemblies and Parliament.

    In August 1997, the then Election Commissioner, G.V.G. Krishnamurthy, made out a strong case for legislation and administrative measures to curb criminalisation of politics. He disclosed that in the 1996 general elections, the Commission seized illegal arms which included 2,000 guns, 11,000 cartridges, 175 explosives and 57,000 bombs; of the 13,952 candidates who contested, nearly 1,500 had criminal records; and almost 700 MLAs out of 4,722 in the country were involved in criminal cases and trial was pending against them. The issue prominently figured during the special session of Parliament held in August 1997 and it was unanimously resolved to carry out meaningful electoral reforms.

    In July 1998, the Election Commission suggested that persons chargesheeted for offences punishable with imprisonment for five or more years be disqualified from contesting elections to Parliament and the State legislatures. It was only when court took cognisance of the charges that summonses were issued to the accused. Thus there was a safeguard against false and motivated criminal charges.

    The Law Commission, in its 170th report, recommended that a candidate be debarred from contesting if charges were framed against him for certain offences. In the case of Union of India vs. the Association for Democratic Reforms, the Supreme Court affirmed the rulings in the Common Cause vs. Union of India case that the Election Commission had the power to issue directions even in the absence of a provision in the R.P. Act and that Article 324 operated in areas left unoccupied by legislation.

    Based on the aforesaid rulings, the Election Commission issued an order calling for affidavits from candidates, furnishing information on their criminal antecedents, properties possessed by them — their spouses and dependents — liabilities, government dues and educational qualifications. More than 100 MPs elected to the 14th Lok Sabha disclosed that they were facing charges of murder, assault, cheating, criminal conspiracy, kidnapping, forgery, criminal breach of trust, rioting and rape.

    The issue raised by Mr. Gopalaswami about elections being fought with money was dealt with by the apex court in the Common Cause case, holding that that the Election Commission would be justified in asking a party to file an account of expenditure incurred by it on its candidates.

    If, even after the clear rulings by the court, the Commission is helpless in curbing criminalisation of politics, it is because of the political parties’ indifferent attitude. When the parties adopted a unanimous resolution in the Lok Sabha, it was thought that they were committed to curbing criminalisation in politics. But in all subsequent Lok Sabha and Assembly elections, they accommodated corrupt and criminal elements. Now that Mr. Gopalaswami has expressed his anguish openly and called upon the electorate to sit up and take notice, one hopes that at least the recognised national parties will commit themselves to bringing about the requisite electoral reforms.

    (The writer is former Advocate-General of Tamil Nadu & senior advocate.)

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Ravi-

    You are right; both are intertwingled, chicken and egg issue.

    The good thing is that elections are free from political control with TN Sheshan’s reforms( there was an obscure clause which none of his predecessors enacted; but he did to the surprise of many).. If not, a Karunanidhi would not have lost in Tamil Nadu, a Lalu party would not have lost in Bijhar, and CPM would not have lost in West Bengal.

    Now with a strong Lokpal, if they can go after corrupt MPs/MLAs, the incentive to contest to make money may not be there and the goondas may not contest. You are right, it is a roundabout way to control.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi,
    If I even seemed like sneering at the idea that the Parliament in our country should be supreme in any of my posts- which one was it?- my unqualified apologies to all. I would not have meant that.
    In a hurry today; so can’t make a detailed comment .. but, some of my misgivings about the Lokpal idea stem from
    a) too high expectations; almost like a magic wand
    b) too uni-dimensional- there are many other, more systemic causes of corruption. I think Prabhat made a very significant point that ten years later, the corrupt will have more reason to fear Nilekani than the Lok Pal.
    c) the link with good governance, judicial reforms etc seem to be totally missing.

    Gopi does make an important point about the elections being largely free; but, are they really fair? With the amount of money that requires to be spent today to fight and win elections, the system is firmly closing its doors on to outsiders.
    It is a complex issue; while I am despondent about the political class wanting to tackle the problem holistically and in earnest, the Lokpal will perhaps catch some big fish. We hope.

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  • shan

    @Ravi, First reflect on SMUG Mishra’s line
    I make no apologies that we stay in 5 stars and travel by air or a/c car.
    WHAT A TOSSER, he thinks we stay in council houses , and the indian bloggers have never been near a five star hotel.
    That aside , this ANNA business is becoming a FARCE. Yesterday Kiran Bedi was gesticulating in a obscene manner, today IT IS AMIR KHAN AND RAJU HIRANI on the dias.
    No wonder I called it a MEDIA CIRCUS
    You have lived in Uk for long enough to know what goes around in different parts of the world.
    IN JAPAN IT IS AN ACCEPTED PRACTICE FOR CANDIDATES TO DOLE OUT GOODIES TO VOTERS
    In USA , all the candidates are underwritten by some INTEREST GROUPS.
    Watch the film CHARLIE WILSON’S WAR. Tom Hanks says to one his constituent, “For 500 dollar you can call me Mr wilson , for 5000 dollar you can call me Charlie”.
    So this ANNA is typical indian Naarey Bazi , TOTALLY BEREFT OF ANY INTELLECTUAL MERIT
    India needs FOOD and a lot of it , THUS A REVOLUTION IN AGRICULTURE, it also needs 100% LITERACY TO BRING THE POPULATION GROWTH DOWN.
    Idiots need to keep in mind INDIA IS ADDING TWO CRORE MOUTHS TO FEED EACH YEAR(Yes Crore not lakhs , that is the total population of punjab)

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    literacy, food, moertality, family size/repro etc — major variatioms state to state..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    I think time and aain we need to remind ourselves of the huge positivs happening here :D

    By the way you are right on the Bahujan stuff. Mayawati threw a red herring to hide the huge amount of money she makes everyday. She would be among the first ones under the lens in case a Lok Pal comes into being.

    Or will she escape since she rules a state. Vinodji please clarify???????

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~~ ;) :D :) TIME FOR A WINK, a smile and a laugh !!!

    ~~ IN CASE THIS HAD HAPPENED IN THE US OR FRAnce or europe….. many of our critics would have called the Anna movement a reflection of true democracy of those countr4ies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    U R RIGHT—may be we have made a start .. more to do…

    I think it is time to debate about what sort of system is ideal for a country like India.. Is it democracy as is practised now/ Should it be like the US system? Should it be like the Chinese system (they have managed that no single person is in charge for ever)..or a combination..I m sure withe conomy growing at 8-10%, with more and more entering middle and upper class, changes will be demanded and incorporated..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    It may surprise you, corruption is very much prevalent in china.Estimates of non-performing assets are as high as 50% of GDP in China and 20% in case of India.

    India has well developed laws and institutions in comparison to China. What is lacking is the “willingness to enforce” it.

    We did not enforce the existing provisions of the existing laws to curb corruption and are just about to create another monolithic setup called LokPal with an outlay not less than 0.25% of GDP !

    We just fail to understand that the issue is with “execution” and not with provisions.

    Prof. C K Prahlad, very elegantly, used to talk how to reduce corruption in India through TGC ( Transaction Government Capacity). We have achieve quite a bit through online information sharing and bidding.

    But still a long way to go.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prabhat

    But China is among the countries that have a strong anti corruption law.

    Just shows you that Law did not eradicate this anti-social practice.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Problem with China is that laws succumb to bureaucratic interpretation and enforcement at the local level by the party officials.

  • Gopi Thomas

    The contemptuous remarks of MPs like Sharad Yadav (from a 100 people party) even at this stage of peoples protest — that “we know how to rule, we will show you…etc”..essentially shows the divide between political class/politicians/elected and the governed..
    More Anna movements have to eb there– or as Ravi stated elsewhere, strict guidelines on who can contest — these Sharad Yadavs and his elkes should not have been on the ballot box..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    If you don’t mix up, allow me to point out something. Anna’s team is going ballastic with comments and threats because they see support around them. If public rally can make their adrenalin flow so high, then they are forgetting that politicians have been through that public adulation all their life.

    Most of the politicians are product of some street movement. May be out of this movement a new politician will emerge. If not Ramdev, then a Kejriwal. Who knows ?

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    The problem is we elect people to be MPs/MLAs, then call them evil and take exception to their remarks not palatable to us. Of course, many of our representatives have suspect credentials and should not be representing us in the first place.

    OTOH, last night’s totally incalled for antics by KIran Bedi must not have gone down very well with the politicians.

    Arvind Kejriwal may emerge as a new politician, but may not very far, he is too inflexible. In a country as diverse as ours, consensus is central to getting things done.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Only corrupt people like you elect such MPs..Don’t include others in your ‘WE’…

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Ha, ha, ha.

    Reconfirmation of you falling in that infamous cauldron.
    After this, you need not bother, twice is enough.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Were you among the crowd in Ramlila Maidan who given booze by congress?

  • http://- Rajeev

    The INSTITUTION of parliament is supreme, not the incompetent jokers occupying it. Are MPs themselves giving due respect to parliament and procedure?
    We have a President who was handpicked by Sonia then we have a speaker who broke all norms to allow Rahul’s long sermon to the nation.
    In India, topy constitutional offices have been compromised right from President, Vice-president, Speaker, CEC (Navin Chawla), PM..All have been handpicked by Queen Bee..so which democracy are we talking about?
    We Indians can just talk and talk but never tell truth on face and this is the reason we will remain lightweight on world stage because we lack courage to speak the truth.

    Shan,
    I was just needling you. Frankly speaking I don’t care if Calcutta is better than Mumbai or vice-versa but I can say foot in Calcutta is far better than any place else.
    Coming to national library, I was instrumental in computerizing (multi-lingualizing) it in 1991.
    Don’t get offended but I have to say it once again “Bengalis are allergic to work”..This is universal truth that even great intellectual, rationalist, non-plonker can not deny…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    As a consolation for you, I admit that Bengali girls don’t deserve always talking ugly bengali men. They are too pretty for such misfortune.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, well you have to curse your parents for your misfortune

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    You are getting unnecessarily offended..I stated the truth. Bengali men certainly don’t deserve doe-eyed beautiful Bengali women.

    DOn’t drag your parents to it..They may have produced an ugly offspring but they are your parents after all. :)

    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, i am not dragging mine , i am asking you to drag yours

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    What is the difference? My parents or your parents…both should not be dragged.

    Mohan R Reply:

    :) :)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “foot” replaced with food

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev , I will wholeheartedly endorse your view that 30YRS OF PLAGUE , has had a heavy toll on the bengalee society. I had told you the ONLY problem with state is SLOTH.Acording to the TOWERING GENIUS that was nirad choudhuri , THE DECLINE STARTED AROUND 1920.
    another thing that great man said ALL HINDU HISTORIANS ARE LIARS, this isin relation to airbrushing the muslim colonisation of India

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  • http://- Rajeev

    “foot” replaced with food.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I’d like to know reactions of Rahul Chamcha brigade led by prabhat on Rahul’s views in parliament. Now that Rahul has spoken for Lokpal, it should become religion for two-cent congressis who flood this blog defending congressi loot.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vinod has very cleverly created a firewall by hiring congressis like Prabhat and Manohar..After these two congressis appearence on the blog, Vinod has stopped replying and visiting…Lagta hai congressiyon ko ye blog outsource kar diya hai.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan,
    Just wondering…Are you married?

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    shan Reply:

    I am open for offers , actually I have not been able to forget that girl who used to be tenant in my grandfather’s house in Bihar.. I didn’t know her name ,knew her surname was JHA .my grandfather described her as “paragon of beauty”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You should get married because you are too hyper..You need somebody to keep you in check.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Just saw Vinod Sharma picking his nose on live TV (NDTV India)…Indians will always remain Indian.

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  • Mohan R

    Ashish,

    I am reading this blog after two days and read your posting in hindi about a chowdry.
    It was brilliant. I have copied and sent that to few of my friends.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Mohan,
    thanks. It was not original.. was posted by a Bihari friend of mine on FB.. my own Hindi is passable at best.
    I did respond to him saying चित्त प्रसन्न हुई गवा :)

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  • vijay kumar

    ;) ~~ @ Rajeev

    My guess for sure— he is not married….

    But if he is…. abhi gauna nahi hua…

    Iss liye toh itna shouting and screaming ho raha hai ;) :P :D :)

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  • Mohan R

    There was some discussion among the bloggers about Narmada project in Gujarat. I am
    from Kutch and I know how much this project has helped people there. Before this project for many
    years people there used to get a water supply for one hour every fourth day. Almost everybody
    had to rely on private water suppliers.
    NOW there is not shortage of water.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I don’t think Medha’s opposition to Narnada project for the project per se. She was just trying to draw attention to the plight of people who are displaced. If the Govt. can spend so much on a project then it can also spend a little more in settling displaced people properly.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prabhat

    Isn’t that the whole issue in India.

    Mineral rights, development licences, and large infrastructure projects, which are essential if India is to look after all its people, are being pursued in such a way that it is ignoring the rights of the poor people who get displaced by such projects.

    This is also the case in Brazil and in China. But then China is a totalitarian regime.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat/Ravi,

    Medha’s opposition was justified though it delayed the project and the cost also was escalated beacuase of this delay. I wanted to inform you all o of the benefit it brought
    to the people . And about Ravi’s comments on ignoring the rights of poor people
    who get displaced, hopefully this JanLokpal will help such people.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    The Norman instinct of Business as well as Business minded Governments is to bring such projects at as little a cost as it is possible.

    While Steel and Concrete are unavoidable costs, compensating poor powerless people is not. So such costs are avoided and the result is poor people do not get included in the bounty of such projects. Their resentment is then exploited politically by left wing extremists, etc.

    When Britain leased Diego Garcia to the USA, it evicted indigenous population, they are still waiting for compensation.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Thank you for pointing out this glorious example of British fairness and justice. Let this be known to the willing slave…

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  • Mohan R

    On NDTV in an interview Ravi Shankar said that crime rate in Delhi has come down by 30%
    to which Barkha Dutt replied it was because everybody was at Ramlila ground . Is she trying
    to say that people who commit crime in Delhi are at Ramlila ground ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I think what she meant was that every one was watching Ram Lila

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    Rajeev Reply:

    or most of the MPs were in Parliament.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Yes, you are right who will commit a crime if they are busy in Parliament . :)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    or Journos are too busy covering Anna :)

  • Gopi Thomas

    Prabhat

    I was not admiring or admonishing China’s system when i mentioned that as an alternative when we rethink what type of a system we should have. And, I was also referring just one aspect –that they are able to run their satte system without dynastical/permanent “rulers; that the leader is for a specific term, he moves on, the next one comes in—like rotary club when the President leaves, the waiting VP steps in..

    What will be the survivig model? – it free market capitalism, sovereign satte capitalism, (ie China), liberal democracy, market democracy vs market auhoriatriansim, Or will it eb a model that continuously evolves, adapts to the aspirations of a country’s people? I believe, if we can incorporate periodic Anna type movemenst/demands, and adjust/adapt, may be we have a better system; one that may not have to go through violent eruptions — we will see eruption in China in our life time. Sooner or later, rising living standards and the spread of modernity theer will create clamour for political reform and particpation – we already have that…

    Whatever may eb our disagreemenst on Anna’s methodology; we all should eb proud that the majority of supporters were below 25… It is ebsides the point that they are betetr off, or idle children of well-to-do afamilies , or “decide dto go to maidan instead of pubs”… I have seen many; let me tell you that this time it is different. I do have lots of hope for India; wahtever naysayers say, the youth is on the right track.’

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I think you are giving too much importance to the dynasty concept.

    In film world you have a Bachhan or a SRK or Akhshay who just walked in and conquered while chimpu kapoor just vanished.

    You just saw Anna breaking new grounds. He did not have to divide the society on religious ground to be noticed !

    We have shortage of good leaders. Instead of trying to be big, we try to belittle others to look big.

    if somebody has merit what stops him to flaunt his merit ?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    You do come up with ingenius logic to build up a case for dynasitc succession. So are you happy with 40% mummy and papa MPs and would love it in case the figure became 100% ?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ vijay

    Stop cribbing. Go out build a space for yourself. And fight.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    My gr8grandfather never wrote a book which gives me enough royalty to survive without working … :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    We are glad you still find time to blog and engage us.

  • Mohan R

    Prabhat,

    Chimpu vanished because public did not wanted to watch him and MMS is our PM even though
    public did not vote for him even as a MP.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    It is amazing. MMS is a major part of public psych since 1991 and the architect India’s resurgence ! Guess how bad the so called seasoned politicians must be !

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Mohan

    CHimpu was hiding somewhere and tried to saddle the Lokpal horse as his own… :D

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  • Mohan R

    Normal slogans/songs/bhajans were considered INDIAN when I was growing up. Suddenly
    in last few years surprisingly some of them have become communal.
    Vande Matram, Bharat Mata . Next to join is Raghupati Raghav Rajaram . What next ? Jan Gan Man and waving for Tiranga ?

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ AS PREDICTED THE CHANNELS ARE CELEBERATING ANNA ~~ :D :D ~~~
    ============================================================================

    Arre bhaiya paisa ka sawaal hai…
    TRP chaihiye TRP
    Ad revenue chahiye, ad revenue

    They tried their best to derail Anna. RSS, anti- Muslim, USA, CIA… sab kuch !!

    The guys who took funds for producing shoddy programs for CAG– NDTV and CNN-IBn were duty bound to licik the feet of dynasty.

    But baap bada na bhaiya…
    Sabse bada rupaiya… :D :D

    Today they are claiing they too are fighting against corruption… :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Seriously Barkha talking about anti-corruption is intolerable..She is surely thick skinned just like her masters.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ ALL THE IDIOTS HERE AND OUTSIDE WHO PLAYED THE COMMUNAL CARD… ;) :P

    raghupati Raghav became communal today !!! :D :D Arre baba, Gandhiji loved it and even the pop group Osibisa sang, “IShwar allah tero naam….”

    But the CCC (constipated communal conspirists) saw a Hindu hand.

    When Muslim girls and men came to support Anna, the Congress and its chamcha mediamen shouted, “yeh musalmaan nahi gaddar hai….” Seema Chishti even interviewd twenty Mulsim leaders who felt RSS, MODI and rape had happened :D

    So when Amir Khan climbed on the Anna stage, all these Constipated Communal Conspirisits (CCC) : FINALLY GOT A SHITE :D

    Arre bhaiya, Muslmi vote gaya they shouted… and all saluted Anna…

    AH AHA HA HAAA :D

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  • ishwar

    @ Vijay,

    Excuse me if it sounds too kiddish, but I somehow don’t quite understand exactly what has the parliement agreed to today that helped Anna decide to call off his fast?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    I think you are hoping that something substantial will come out of this. I believe nothing more than a press release will be the result.

    The end came because continuance was beginning to deliver less and less political dividend.

    Within days, it will all be forgotten.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ishwar

    Everybody agreed to an exit route.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat–

    When you say everybody “agreed” etc… do you think intrinsically it is bad as to what they agreed to, “somebody is forced to agree”, is it really bad for the country (and nothing good will come out, but something bad will surely come out)..I do not understand your reluctance..

    I agree there was no need for ridiculing Dr Singh by some in the group..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Everybody was “coerced” into a position. No Judge, no politician, no opinion maker said anything because it would sound politically incorrect.

    The interesting part is that how soft we are just under a layer !

  • vijay kumar

    @ Ishwar

    you have to see both sides of the coin. On one side, Anna was on the 12th day of the fast. It was just one or two more days he would lasted. So it was best he would get as much for the cause as he did.

    He got the issue into Parliament. Got parties to get the PM and judiciary into the Lokpa scanner. he got the BJP behind his janLokPal.

    MOST OF ALL HE MOBNILISED THE YOUTH AND PEOPLE OF INDIA AS IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

    I would call it a huge victory.

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    ishwar Reply:

    Thanks Mr. Kumar.

    I also appreciate the responses of Ravi, Prabhat and Gopi Thomas. I would not like to comment on them though. I am too young to get involved when the “elders” are talking.

    I do visit this blog almost everyday quitely i.e. without getting involved.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ishwar

    If you visit regularly, you must have noticed that we are a group bloggers from different age groups. Though we differ a great deal, we love to engage each other.

    So do not hesitate. Participate. Debate.

    It will always be a pleasure to have your opinion. We will also get an young mind’s viewpoints.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar.

    Please do not hesitate in joining in.

    Your contributions are welcome.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod ji

    Your pal, Mani Silencer Aiyar now supports Mayawati and possible her corruptions and advises Anna to follow what mayawati says.

    Is he getting some land alloted from her?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Mani should consult Bhushans .

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Absolutely. he will pitch for the urban land cieling act. But has houses in Panchkula, saink farms and what not… Houses in sainik farms are illegal for you and me…

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ishwar

    And if the politcal parties dont get in the Lokpal…. you will see a new politcal party with Kiran bedi and Anna leading it. Possibly Kejriwal as the president…

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  • Prabhat

    @ Vijay

    What is/are the lesson(s) learnt ?

    1) The youth will be intolerant of corruption in every sphere of life ?

    2) Youth will join Anna with same fervour whenever he calls them on any issue ?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat,

    Let us not be dismissive (I dont think that is what you meant) about intentions, motives,a spirations, desires..

    MMS is an honourable man; but not a peoples man; his advisors left him dry.

    Chidambaram and Sibal became more of analysts than leaders.

    You are right to be sceptical about youth.. But my bet is that a large number of them will think twice before giving or accepting bribes. Many will become honest politicians/civil servants. Change has happened.

    As for your second question, Sense of nation is deep (Arundhati wrongly identified this as extremist nationalism) among this crowd. .The challenge, not for Anna, but for all of us is to channel this into other spheres of community and societal development.

    From todays headlines worldwide – 60 people got killed in Paksitan today in suicide bombings . Taseer’s son got kidnapped there today. Gadaffi is hiding in some tunnel in Tripoli. China is seriously considering controlling twitter. Political process in Washington at deadlock potentially derailing recovery. Assad trying more force to supppress people in Alappo.. ….

    I am glad….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    My attempt was not to belittle anything. It’s more of academic in nature. I am from the industry where we create/recreate scenarios to understand the mechanism.

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  • pankaj#1

    Rajeev;
    You misread me. I said, Rajeev and Prabhat EXCEPTED.

    Shan;
    Come on man, why you are always on edge, one small nudge and you fall in the comfort zone of abuses.
    I know, people mistreat you as well, but it is you, who throw stone first, what follows is a potpourri of riot. Analyse your style for speaking on a public forum. I have requested your detractors to refrain from using foul language as well. I am elated to be compared with Balwinder.

    Ravi;
    You write beautifully, prose poetry both. In a very subtle way, you criticized me for praising my friends, I really like them. They have not written anything in response, and we are not mutual admiration society. I have not belittled any one by praising them, or have I ? Regarding you, I have merely echoed, what many of us feel, and really speaking, your nationality does not matter, it is your ideas, which matter to me.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Pankaj- A Pakistani can say he is from Pakistan…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    This is my last word on the matter.

    Unless my memory deceives me, you of your own volition, have issued and withdrawn certificates to me on more than one occasion.

    This fickleness indicates two possible scenarios.

    1. You evaluated what ever evidence was available to you and you gave your verdict.

    2. When you saw that you were in a minority of people who also had arrived at the same conclusion, you withdrew your certificate. Your latest conclusion is not clear, I did not feel the need to seek further clarification, simply because I no longer care.

    Continue to think, what ever settles your stomach; it is no derma off my vulpine hooter.

    Stick to what you feel, and not what many others feel. Be true to your self.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I stand corrected.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    The lessons for me are

    a) The country is sick of corruption and policians are percieved to be the most corrupt

    b) It still remains a patriotic country where people are willing to come out on the roads in a disciplined manner and send a message to the rulers.

    c) the media is sold out to the nehru Khandaan and is willing to use its standard tools of BJp, US, Modi, corruption etc to defame anybody who opposes the COngress.

    d) That Manish tewari is an idiot :D :D

    And most of all “dont take a panga with an old man who is honest. he has nothing to hide… while you cAN HAVE A lot…. to hide :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Stop narrebazi…some brevity please.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The only Naaras acceptable to corrupt communal congressis are “Rahul gandhi Zindabad”…”Sonia Gandhi Zindabad”…

    For last 64 years congressis have been doing just naarebazi..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    in short… its a good begining for the youth to define the way they want to lead their lives…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    How different was this crowd from the IPL cheering crowd ?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Now that is being cynical !

    however even if you take it to that level… the IPL did change the way cricket is played. In my view the crowd cheered they way I cheered India’s world cup victory in 1983 when I was boy in shorts…

    And that victory did inspire India with self confidence. :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I saw the same happiness, eclectic behaviour and enthusiasm.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    I think as a nation we have become cynical and fractitious. We need toc omplain and fight even if we can do without. When the issues are so clear– corruption must go– why was no effort really made to stop it? Go to any state– Delhi included, there is a manoey making racket almost everywhere in a government department.

    Anna had to happen. Everyone wants this to go. Of course the big quesiton is whther anything big will really hapen or the lalu yadavs and Amra Singhs stall this process in parliament ?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Again you misconstrued me.

    Except for kejriwal ( and Anna ofcourse ), almost everybody was in buoyant and eclectic mood. It was some kind fever that had griped the crowd. They were not depressed and violent. They were not grieved and dejected.

    They were buoyant and eclectic.

    Didn’t we see that during IPL ?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Why should anybody be depressed? This was a cause they had all come for. They had hope and expectation. In fact I joined the crowd at the India gate and made one visit to ramlila to get a sense.

    My mom in her seventies was following this. my dad a cynical lawyer was happy something can happen.

    I asked my office chowkidar who wore an Anna cap. he wants corruption to go.

    See Prabhat when you get in the IPL comparison (deliberatley?) it is being clever. Becasue IPL was about cheerleaders, Lalit Modi and big money also. So it’s wrong.

    While the world cup is about national pride, grit and hardwork.

    Let me get back the comparison. One old man– with no wealth but gandhian valuesw on fast. And against him a cown prince out to defame him; a Pm who is percieved to be corrupt now becasue of allegations from his own partymen like Mani. Talk of scams worth 2-3 lakh crore rupees…

    Whom will the public love. If you believe it is the Congress…. then … no comments ….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    When a marketing guy wants the viewer to smile before the TV, he constructs a campaign that not only ensures the viewer smile, he also controls how much the viewer must smile.

    We call it “engineering the thought” in others’ mind. This is usually well calibrated and well planned out.

    IPL was one such well thought out campaign with a mix of varied ingredients. The end-game and end-result was well planned. Though everything looked natural and spontaneous. But the pitch was well settled long before.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Prabhat,
    I am with you on this.
    Vijay, not everyone is idealistic; it is a great game. This is Gita- pre-ordained, pre-settled.
    We knew the outcome; but we have been programmed to be happy at whatever happened.

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  • Ravi

    Pankaj

    Here are some more alarming vignettes from my past.

    Adjacent to कृषि भवन, there is a building, it faces a round about, and housed in their used to be the offices of All India Fine Arts and Crafts Society. In addition to a small exhibition area, contained within it was a theatre.

    The extraordinary facet of this drama hall was, that it hosted Hindi comedy drama, which by then had already become a rare occurance. One actor whose work I admired the most was called Buddo Advani. His plays formed a regular element of the society’s winter repetoire.

    AIFACS, also gave break to an emerging talent and political dramas written and directed by Farukh Dhondi were also a frequent event.

    Farukh Dhondi, went on to become a senior executive at the Channel Four in the UK.

    Pankaj bhai, be alarmed, be really really alarmed, after all it is not every day that one feels मैं इधर जाओं या उधर जाओं, बर्डी मुश्किल में हूँ मैं किधर जाओं.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    So do you think that the IPL example would be used to defame Anna now?/ I think this would bounce back on the COngress.

    Already a clown prince who claims the Pm’s seat by inheritence looks unfair . Defaming Anna with IPl allegations will only make the Congress look more baba like, more like maria antoniette…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Nobody is defaming Anna. He fought with conviction.

    Anna, a John Doe 2011?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    What ever are the merits or their absence in Rahul Gandhi political make-up, if he seeks an election and post victory is chosen by its party as a candidate for PM, then what is the nature of your objection.

    Why is it that you find it acceptable that “Ashish’s Social Club” has hoisted upon the BJP a lack lustre Nitin Ghadkari, just after he had a serious charisma by pass operation.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Ravi,
    I missed the swipe earlier :)
    Since when did RSS become my social club?
    I have always maintained that Advani is not sushi; he is “cold dead fish”.. in fact, I will let you all on a secret; I voted Congress in the last elections because of Advani leading the BJP campaign- the only time ever in my life I have voted Congress.
    I had not even of heard of Gadkari when he became the BJP chief- and Congress would have perhaps again got my vote this time, but of the serious governance deficit they have exhibited this time. So, I shall vote anyone but Congress this time.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Dont know about John doe… but he is the man of the match today.

    Watch out for match fixers like lalu and Amar singh in the standing committee and Digviansh Singh with communal tricks later.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    That’s deja vu.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    This time your message is not so clear. You wish to alarm me, why? You are telling me to go somewhere or it is your dilemma? You have become more subtle than what I can comprehend.
    If I remember correctly, this building also housed British Council Library, if I am not confusing it with some other building. Hope you will find your way and I will find mine, please take all the correct turns, Dhaula Kuan and AIIMS crossings have become quite confusing.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    In your last message you seem to suggest, not so subtly, that you were alarmed at my knowledge of Delhi and its institutions.

    Why would that be alarming remains a mystery, but I can read between the lines.

    Here, are your own words.

    Your description of Delhi and its institutions are reassuring as well as alarming.

    I am afraid your recollection of the location of the British Council is probably wrong, when I visited it, it was near Connaught Place, between the shopping area and Modern School.

    I used to cycle from Karol Bagh to the Subrato Park – where my school had moved to from Race Course – so I am familiar with the Dhaula Kuan Chownk, all be it, it is now quite complex for a cyclist but easy for through motorised traffic.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Then you have been visiting BCL, earlier than me. Because, earlier to the present location, BCL was located in a small building, which had a art gallery and most probably a small theater.
    You remembered Alarm but forgot Reassurance, that is being selective. I had explained my reasons for being REASSURED and BEING ALARMED, if my reading about you is wrong.

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    Ravi Reply:

    :)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    Were you involved in parliament attack? Your knowledge of Delhi is truly alarming. These google maps are becoming a menace…

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    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi and Pankaj,
    At least in 1977 when we moved to Delhi till about 10 years back BCL was housed in AIFACs on Rafi Marg from where it has moved to its current location.in KG Marg.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ prabhat

    Both of them have a lot to lose. maybe upwards of 10000 crores each. :D :D :D One straight favour by Anil amabi yeilded Amar dalal 1000 crores in reliance shares itself.

    Actually our politicans really have a lot to lose in case there is actual probe of assets. In fact at times it borders on the bizarre.

    Two years back I was taken to a private party of one of the big fixers on the politcal scene. It was right out of a Hindi film.

    Russian girls lighitng your cigarettes. Ukranian girls serving scotch and Thai girls hanging all around. As crass as some fo our big fixers in pollitics are….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You are forgetting the share for Mahajan in Reliance for the Unified License in just 7 days ! Nothing could be bigger than that !

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    In Anil Ambani’s lingo it’s called “aarti”.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    this is a victory for all of us — young/old; congress/bjp; men/women…..

    congress, if smart, can build on this and position well for election — they should enact further meaningful and farreaching legislation on this platform… use this momentum to build on…do not dwell on thew past…

    bjp, if smart, will position modi as the destroyer of corruption, builder of a modern nation…

    but the probabilirty is that both will degenerate into medoicre positios leaving big voids..

    rahul is a goner… he is not interested in pmship, although his cronies will push him..

    bjp is bereft of strong minister execs — so nothing will change even if they get elected..unless modi is the pm and thru personal charisma he gets something done..sushama, jaitley etc are useless.

    lets see how these two parties position themselves

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Gopi

    Time for all of us to start hunting for a new face….

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    vij

    just curious– was this fixer a fixer for any political party, or a fixer exclusively for congress politicians, or a fixer to get bureaucrats in line..

    in fact i will bet that those girls may not even have proper visas..and the fixer got them in the country on the backing of the powerful politician or bureaucrat

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    He was very very close to two parties. His politcal gurus name crops up in this blog once a while…

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    vij

    do u think bjp will portray modi as the man to get us out of the morass or get cooed by congress and some of its own so called leaders…bjp cannot come back without modi as the leader….

    actually gadkari should resign — charm is a must; is he going to compete with sonia in the charm dept–hey we like white colour.. modi should be the guj cm and the party president..start crisscrossing north to south, eaast to west…seize the moment…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Out side of Gujarat, Modi is damaged goods.

    Rajeev Reply:

    and WHat is goonda Rahul? Raw material that can never become finished product despite the best manufacturing unit called Congress controlled Media.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I think we all should bow to the wisdom of Rahul Gandhi and credit him with this victory.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev.

    When Rahul belches, Congressmen bow down and say, “god has spoken…. “

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    Rajeev Reply:

    What do they do when he poops? :)

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Prabhat will answer this one…

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    You are right..only an experienced one can tell us about this..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Rahul Gandhi being credit for Lokpal victory…Especially for disciples like Parbhaat.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIv_rtFWLps

    Ashish Reply:

    Rajeev,
    this is a small matter; we should first credit him with the sun rising in the east everyday.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi

    Modi as the PM!

    Ravi has correctly said – outside of Gujarat, he is their biggest liability.

    If he was otherwise, by now the RSS would have either made him 1) President of the BJP or 2) got him elected as an MP and would have been the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha. Ten years on, he is still stuck in Gujarat, it is evident the RSS also know the ground realities, they know what happened when he was let loose in 2009. His limited campaigning in recently concluded assembly elections also did not fetch dividends (only 8 odd seats out 700+). Then there is the key ally – Nitish Kumar – who does not want to him to anywhere near. As of now there is no chance of NDA getting near to the magic figure of 273 without, alone I doubt the BJP will get anywhere near that.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi

    “this is a victory for all of us — young/old; congress/bjp; men/women…..”

    IMO, after yesterday’s events, nothing has changed, except Anna Hazare’s health.

    01) From day one, the Government was insisting that the matters (including Jan Lok Pal Bill proposals) be referred to the Standing Committee.

    02) When Anna Hazare started his fast, probably the civil society had calculated that the Executive and the Parliament would capitulate within 6 to 7 days and concede all their demands.

    By yesterday, fatigue had set in and worries about Anna Hazare’s health. Hence the “agreement” was worked out so that no one seen as a loser.

    The “sense” of the Parliament would be referred to the Standing Committee (see 1 above). The MPs have not conceded anything, especially their right to legislate – the form and the content of any bill.

    There are miles to go before one can claim victory.

    From this tamasha, who will gain – the Congress or the BJP or …? Only time will tell.
    During the last 12 days or so – both the Congress and the BJP have made messed up their images.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    ok guys — some light moment..

    The Kerala harvest festival, Onam, falls on weekafter next….

    The UPA govt has made sure that the State beverage Corp and their retail shops will not run out of alcohol so as not to create problems for patrons..

    Who said govt is not responsive…
    btw I give Chandy’s govt three months ebfore they fall…..with that congress loses all of south.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Gopi, did you read the recent article in India today (or was it Outlook) on how unsafe Kerala has become for women?

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish,

    Kerala is unsafe only for women with big busts.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    :D :D … brilliant !!

  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    The press was calling kerala a Rahul voctory… it will call it Chandy’s loss

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    You favorite Mani Aiyer was hopping mad when Rahul was mocked on CNN-IBN debate…Rajdeep Sardesai kind of went silent on Rahul Gandhi.

    Pl. do watch interview of Varun Gandhi on NDTV (sonia singh) and also watch Rahul’s speech.
    I am amazed to see a son of Goonda (Sanjay Gandhi) talking like a Bhadralok and son of Bhadra purush but genocidal maniac (Rajiv Gandh) talking like a Goonda…

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Rajeev-

    BJP should not put Varun in front if they want to win…

    whether people like it or not, the sad fact is that “dynasty” is accepted by many, not just cronies, but also a vast number of people all over the country.

    In that sense, Rahul belongs to Pandava dynasty. Varun belongs to Kauravas; like Duryodhana, he does not have the right to the kingdom because his dad never was the king..once you lose, you lose for ever; Rajeev parampara takes over… and when Rahul walksa way from PM ship, which he will, the dynasty ends.. Even if he walks away, do not underestimate the aura; he will be like his mother, behind the scenes.

    BJP has to build on Lokpal mood without distractions.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is Varun from a dynasty

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Varun’s father was Sanjay Gandhi, the favoured son of Mrs Indira Gandhi and heir apparant for her.. The story is that Mrs Indira Gandhi also literally died after that; physically alive, but mentally dead, for he was what she wanted in a son, fit to rule a country..

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Singh

    I know that.

    Rahul is a goonda. (according our resident geneologist ie)

    Varun is a sant mahatma

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Why did u ask if you knew?

    btw, between the two, I would say Rahul is platinum and Varun alumium…

    my opinion is that Rahul is a simpleton; but Varun an agry man, suppressing what he could have been; cursing nything and everything ..BJP should not have taken him in..he will be a permanant thorn

    (btw who si the residet geneologist??0j

    Ravi Reply:

    :) , :) , :)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi the resident Jehadi,
    1. Who is more educated? Rahul or Varun

    2. Who is more younger? Rahul or Varun

    3. Who have struggled more? Rahul or Varun

    4. Who is being imposed on India? Rahul or Varun

    Rajeev Reply:

    Raju,
    I was just comparing the dialogue ;) delivery style of two namely Varun and Rahul. Varun’s interview was very polished whereas Rahul’s speech was more in Goonda style…Now as a person Varun may be a bigger Goonda than Rahul.

    I don’t prefer either of them in any govt. but as you rightly said dynasties are part of real world.

    Varun is Aliminum for Congressis and Rahul is Platinum..totally accepted but both are brass for the nation.

    DOn’t get surprised by Ravi’s response because he loves to decieves. He being a congressi of 70s and 80s must have picked up chappals of Sanjay Gandhi (father of Varun whom he hates with so much vigour). So much for loyalty to dynasty.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Latest report about Anna in NY times few hours ago.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/world/asia/28india.html

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Google results at 7 PM EST USA time Aug 27

    Anna Hazare – 29.1 Million
    Manmohan Singh – 20.5 MM
    Rahul Gandhi – 10.9MM
    Sonia Gandhi – 9.1 MM
    P Chidambaram – 8.7 MM

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Can somebody clarify one thing?

    Many people opposed the Anna Lokpal because of new bureaucarcy, unchartered waters, possible court challenges etc..

    Couldnt the parliament always revisit , change etc in future?

    Are the laws once set , unchangeable?

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Binoy

    IIRC, the Supreme Court had ruled many years ago that the Parliament cannot alter the basic structure of the Constitution. They have been many amendments to tweak it and to make changes one needs 2/3rd majority in both the houses. Again IIRC, certain amendments also require assent from majority (I am not sure whether its 51% or 66%) of the state legislatures. Amending the constitution is along drawn out process.

    If there will be bloated parallel bureaucracy (as proposed by the Jan Lok Pal Bill),its numbers will run into thousands and may lacs. Who is going to ensure that everyone of them will be incorruptible, fair and honest, more important how? They will be from the same civil society. Worse. this body of people are supposed to be answerable to none with almost unbridled powers.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Binoy,

    the so called sacrosanct constitution has been amended and changed, sometimes beyond recognition, a hundred and ten times, mostly for convenience sake, but at other times utterly whimsically, as in the case of Shah Bano.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    I hope kennedy School of government here at Harvard does a case study on Anna movement/negotiations/ failure/concessions etc

    - Why was Govt totally unprepared for the people movement
    - What in the wrld made smart, decent people like Chidambaram, Sibal ridicule an old man who was the nominal head of the movement?
    - Dd they think they can get away after ridiculing him?
    - Did they think they have the support and love of most of the people, while Anna was just today’s favorite?
    - Is Manmohan Singh just a geek? Why didnt he discourage personal attacks on Anna/ Why did nt he come up right at the beginning that something is seriosuly wrong, we have to fix it; we have to
    work with people like Anna
    - Why was Rahul invisible for long, and then towards the end open up his mouth denigrating Anna?
    Did it reinforce his negaative image of “amul baby” ?
    - Are parliament members/ministers so arrogant that they felt they can just whitewash this whole thing?
    - Does this whole modus – a leader of integrity, morality pushing an important cause – sterngthens and improves our sytemof democarcy faster and better than the current “non-responsive” course?
    - Did any political party come out better? If not, why not?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    When Anna was fasting, Swami Agnivesh the know Maoist was probably talking to Kapil Sibbal and badmouthing Anna. India is full of such characters.
    Watch the video-

    http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/national/general/5_1_6350423.html

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  • pankaj#1

    Benoy;
    Yes, the whole world must be watching this development with awe. It is jasmine revolution, Indian style, or is it Saffron revolution, as would be described by some people here. It is nauseating to see people like Mayawati and Lalu to deride this movement with insinuations and bringing in the communal angle and Dalit issues here. The hidden weapons of ruling coterie. These elites, say that Parliament is supreme and street agitators are a blot, are products of the same street power of JP and other movements. Yes, fear of anarchy, and law lessness was there, but revolutions do not work in orderly manner. You have instances from last 100 years to see. Corruption exploits weaks most, but these worthiese were trying their level best to muddy the water. Mayawati and Lalu are some of the most corrupt persons and it is democracy, one person one vote that has empowered them in present exalted situation, otherwise, they would have languished in wretched conditions or opression as their ancestors did. Pakistani, awam is example. It is Indian bourgeois class, which spoke and championed their cause and now these people acquiring characterstics of tyrants of yore.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Mayawati is already demanding reservation in Lokpal institution…

    Mandir Khula nahi, bhikmange pahle hi aa gaye..

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  • pankaj#1

    Benoy;
    Take care, East coast is in turmoil because of Irene. CNN is covering it exclusively.

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  • pankaj#1

    Rajeev;
    You are funny indeed in a way. This line has been used before as ” Gaon basa nahin, Lootere pahile aagaye”,

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Lootere to saare parliament mein baithein hei…ab to sirf bhikmange bache hein…usme se kuch CM hein..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Here is Agnivesh selling Anna’s movement to Sibal-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8plWkPwdiQ

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  • pankaj#1

    Guys;
    Properly drunk. Resisting temptation to have last one. Missing, in descending order, Dog, wife( who is in East Coast) Friends here and surprise of surprise, Shan.
    On west coast, feeling a bit lonely on weekends.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Pankaj#1
    Oscar Wilde said, “In spring, the thoughts of fancy young men turn to fancier young men…” .. I can see you are a true devotee, if only when drunk :D

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Please do not go in the forbidden territory. Oscar Wilde was a great writer, though, also known for his other propensities. I take Shan as a young cocky person, full of idealism but short on realities. My in laws still live in Mayur Vihar, may bump into you. Would not like to be considered, a resident of Sodom, though, not only in middle east, a township with name of sodom, exists in US. This insinuation was most unwelcome.

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    Ashish Reply:

    #Pankaj,
    ah, you take my fun too seriously.. oh sure, Mayur Vihar is just a couple of miles off where I live.

  • vijay kumar

    I have a gut feeling that we may be seeing the formation of a new politcal party with Anna, kejriwal and Kiran Bedi,

    This will happen because lalu.Amar, Digvija and Rahul will block the final bill thru procedural dramas.

    I hope such a party is formed.

    WE ALSO NEED TO ENSURE THIS PART DOES NOT BECOME A VP SINGH TYPE CHARADE.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    They may be good. But they have not seen people throwing abuses at them like people throw at Rahul, Sonia or Lalu or even Advani. They call MP’s thieves because they know MP’s can not retaliate in front of the public. When they start a political party, they will be get retaliation for everything they utter. Trust me, even a SHO would make Kiran Bedi wait.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Stones were thrown at Anna. Of RSS, US funding, corruption, Modi communalism, anti Dalit . And even the supercorrupt buffoon Lalu tried to create doubts on how a 4 yr old man could actually fast for 12 days.

    let me tell you all are scared. Mayawati first supported Anna, thinking that would co-opt him in her corruptions. But then scared, she cast aspersions on him

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  • vijay kumar

    ;P sorry meant to say 74 yr old man…. ;) Actually having a late breakfast after a squash game and typing one finger…

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ WILL DYNASTY FIINALLY REMAIN A TV SERIAL ????? ~~ :D :D ~~~

    @ Binoy,

    the resuts you posted make me think that way….

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  • pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    You have taken my response more seriously than it warranted. On a lighter vein, I will narrate a quote from Raghupati Sahay Gorakhpuri, one of the most famous Urdu writer of modern times. ” jin jin ki….. woh deputy collector ho gaye, jin jin ko chhoda woh bhangi aur mehtar ho gaye. Firaq was one of the brightest star of Allahabad University, and had an amazing command over English, Urdu and other languages.Sir Ganga Nath Jha, father of Laximi Kant Jha, former Governor of Reserve Bank of India and Vice Chancellor of Allahabad University, had requested Firaq, not to appear in exam, so that his son can get a gold medal, Firaq refused, and it was Jha, who dropped the exam in order to get gold medal. Those were different times, different morals and different standards. Can you think of those days in present situation? Impossible.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Pankaj,
    great story; will narrate to my daughter.

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  • Ashish

    Dear Ravi,
    sometime back, you had quoted Kanti Bajpai of the JNU (who immediately convinced you on the strength of a paragraph that you should love JNU) on the Hindutva leanings of the Ramlila Maidan crowd.
    Here’s an article in the current Outlook issue written by a man called Ajaz Ashraf.
    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278134

    I will let you read the article; in the meantime, here are some excerpts:

    But nobody epitomises the new Indian citizen as does Mumtaz, a 25-year-old social activist from Mewat. She neatly delineates the nuances of the laws governing land acquisition, underscoring the State’s callous treatment of those who reside in villages, leavening her profound analysis with Urdu couplets she had written, each extolling the virtues of remaining socially united and challenging the people’s enemy—the arrogant, indifferent State. Mumtaz works the crowd into a frenzy more intense than even the nba leader as she chants, “Bharat Mata ki Jai”. Her mentor—the backward caste leader—says slogans coined in another historical context have been denuded of their earlier meanings. It is simply absurd to advance that the mere sloganeering of ‘Bharat Mata’ makes a Muslim guilty of idol worship, he argues.
    India is changing Ravi; I have employees who use just one name; women commute 40 km one way in public transport to come to work, while their husbands work in a different city, my chaiwalla goes home for 3 months leaving his wife alone in the big bad city to manage the tea-stall.. it is about working hard to get ahead; it is about giving them a fair chance.

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  • pankaj#1

    Prabhat;
    Your unwavering opposition to Anna movement is intriguing. I understand the working of democracy to certain extent, sanctity of Parliament, law and order, and such things. What we saw in last few years, where rulers became careless, unconcerned, and even haughty, saying that they are elected people( it is immaterial, how they got elected, even D.P, Yadav was elected). The whole system has decayed, stinking and needs overhaul. Do not hide behind worn out cliches of Liberalism, communalisms, safforanites and such. People need second independence, let them have it, or they will snatch it forcefully.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you are right. Prabhat is one of the few here who is steadfast in his devotion to Sonia Gandhi and her dynasty. Nothing else appeals to him. I feel he is suffering from the same servile mentality towards the white-skinned rulers which had brought India under the Mughal and British rule.

    The claim that parliament is supreme and MPs are supreme is spurious. The same people refuse to hang Afzal Guru, the mastermind behind the attack on parliament house. Nor is the claim of the constitution being supreme valid, since it has been changed, sometimes whimsically (as in the Shah Bano case), a hundred and ten times.

    Finally, despite the disdain these so called liberals hold the middle class, it has shown how it can organise a mass movement and successfully too, practically bringing the arrogant congress and its government to its knees.

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Shenoy-

    Prabhat’s fondness for Congress party cannot/should not be equated to “servile mentality towards white skinned….” .

    This is India. People are free to choose.

    I see Sonia Gandhi as a lover and respector of India; much much more than many people (including the so called leaders) who are born here. So, let us not put people in boxes.

    As an India lover, my personal choice for a future PM is Modi. Because I believe he will introduce /implement programs that will uplift crores of people out of poverty. Elimination and minimization of poverty removes many problems we face – casteism, religionism, regionalism, illiteracy etc.

    Prbhat may have another choice; based on his analysis and reasonings. That does not mean he has a servile mentality to that peron; much like I do not have a servile mentality to the leader I choose.

    I do not think the lakhs and crores who like and respect Anna have a servile attitude to him.

    My choice of Modi does not mean I am in blanket support for BJP.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Shoeb,

    This is the other face of India:

    you cannot deny that Indians willingly became slaves to white skinned rulers. Or else the Mughals wouldn’t have been able to first conquer and then rule us for 300years. The same holds good for the British. Only, more so. A handful of administrators and soldiers conquered the whole country and ruled for 150 years. This is called servility.

    I had described an imaginery scene where Manish Tiwari was put in the dog house at 10 Janpath. And this Prabhat called Advani and Ravi Shnkar Prasad dogs!

    Now Shoeb, please tell me what is it if not servility?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Your Post :
    “…I had described an imaginery scene where Manish Tiwari was put in the dog house at 10 Janpath. And this Prabhat called Advani and Ravi Shnkar Prasad dogs! ..”

    You only have right to imagination ?

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    calling somebody ‘in the dog house’ and calling somebody a dog are two entirely different things.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Criticising somebody and putting somebody in the dog house are two entirely different things.

    Thresholds are different. Issues remain same. Bad taste.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I am not opposed to Anna’ s movement. If he thinks that’s the right way, let it be. I like analysing situations as they are and I want to check how good or bad my analysis are. And I periodically validate with opinion of blog mates here.

    It’s as simple as that. At a certain level I am quite detached to all these. Sometimes it’s just a matter of debate. One challenges the partner and see how interesting the debate can be.

    [ By the way I never challenged you, Shenoy or anybody else why do they support BJP or any other party. It's their personal choice. I have never tried to change anybody. It's always live and let live concept. ]

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Prabhat;
    I have never attacked you for your views either. I am really curious, what is happening back in India.
    While lofty principles of Democracy, which has benefitted Indian masses immensely, I remember, as I read somewhere, that it was Gandhiji, who fought tooth and nail(though, not left many at his ripe age) who insisted on one person one vote, in place of representative democracy, a la Pakistani model, which was attempted by Ayub. Gandhiji model had brought immense power to weaker sections, and when they became parteners of power elites, have no qualm in indulging in corrupt practices. Lalu,, Mayawatis, A. Raja etc. On top of that, any attempt to check them is countered by asserting their dalit ness/minority status etc. Anna movement was tried to be sabotaged by invoking these forces of divisiveness, Services of Bukhari were summoned and mayawatri and lalu offered voluntary services, gleefully accepted by libberals here and in Lutyen’s Delhi. My being sympathetic to BJP or any nationalist party and showing this in poor light betrays your dislike for opposition to present set up. I am not against Congress, I am against only to people, who have hijacked this party for their selfish ends.

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  • B.V .SHENOY

    Friends,

    It is unbelievable. Swami Agnivesh is the mole of the government inside Anna’s camp, which Anna and the others could not see.

    Please see the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8plWkPwdiQ&feature=youtu.be

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    could not see the link for technical reasons. Please give me a gist, what this Swami is sayinbg.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Shenoy -

    Has Agnivesh disputed the video as doctored?

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji, Binoy,

    It is not yet clear what Agnivesh has to say in his own defence. But team Anna has accused him of trying to derail the movement. He has in fact acted as the fifth columnists.

    All our famous clumnists, beware! DO NOT BE FIFTH COLUMNISTS!!!!!

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  • pankaj#1

    Shenoy Sahib;
    While attempting to see the video for Agnivesh, accidentally saw, Zakir nayak, saying that I will convert all hindus to muslims???. How this guy is surviving in India? whose support he has??

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    he is funded by Saudis

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Parliament is sacrosanct, supreme. Do not agitate against it.

    Judicial process is squeaky clean, do not agitate against it. NO ONE KILLED JESSICA LAL.

    Everyone go home, yes Prabhat ?

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    There is no misgovernance in our country.

    1.5 lakh farmers committed suicide from 1995 onwards. Maybe they needed psychiatric treatment ?

    Our MPs are all wonderful, they will sort out the farmers problems. Do not agitate for change, Parliament is supreme. Everyone go home

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    Ravi Reply:

    Seditious Mishra

    Euphoria generated by the witnessing of a popular mass movement has induced in our resident Doctor Doctor some seditious thoughts.

    He is of the opinion that in India the Parliamentary democracy is broken. His preference is to replace it by a mob led direct democracy rather than seek ways and means of improving it.

    A side effect of such neurosis is spontaneous and random thoughts, such as farmer suicides.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    If it’s one off thing, then it’s ok. If it’s a new framework / template, it might just just get out of hand. The FDI is down for last many months. Events in next 6 months will tell us what direction we are taking.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    have faith Prabhat, I have tons of faith in this new Indian awakening. Next blog I will talk about my trek to Tunganath and my travel to Taj in the company of a muslim driver Farrukh and muslim guide Faizan. Wonderful political disc with them- they spoke freely, something unimaginable 20 yrs ago.
    Ashish gave a wonderful example of Mumtaz above- the muslims are questioning dogma fed to them by Dr Zakir Naik and Bukhari. “Bharat mata is idol worship”- give me a break !! Then the haj around the kaaba must be the biggest idol worship in the world
    Jai Anna. History will mark you as one of India’s greats, you seized the moment.
    Eternally grateful to you for that.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Dr. Mishra, you have put in words, very admirably, what crores of Indians feel at this moment.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Very clever !! very clever….

    Now you can use the twitter, facebook and IPL tag to defame team anna…

    But on the otherside… you also blame team anna for the reverse side too. FDI loss !!

    Well the funny part is people who are against the IPL, twitter and facebook and internet (like CPM) are the ones who are against FDI. So you cant play it bothways. FDi ka bhi enemy aur twitter ka dost….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I can not defame Anna. He is a class apart.

    You are treating Anna in isolation as if the life has stopped functioning in other parts.

    After BJP supporting Anna univocally, suddenly they have started having reservations about few things.

    I would love to see how the country can have all provisions of JanLokPal Bill implemented and manage the country affair on a bullish note for next 15 years.

    Anna’ team is not comfortable with putting NGO’s in the list. They are also not comfortable with people bringing in frivolous complaints. They want only small financial penalty, not jail terms.

  • Gopi Thomas

    Prabhat

    One of the reasons FDI is down is the magnitude of corruption. A decisiveness to prevent/act should help here.

    India should be an ideal destination for capital inflows; with a good internal market, young population etc.

    Annas movement will be a plus for FDI (did anybody say Anna is the agent of USA???)

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ :D :D HOW AMIR KHAN SHUT THE MOUTH OF REAL COMMUNALISTS ~~ :D :D ~~
    ============================================================================

    A lot of communalists like Shabnam Hashmi, Kanti Bajpai, Digvinash Singh, rahul gandy and gang and regrettably even some on this blog, who tried to defame hinduism and Anna were made to eat… well I wont use the word…. – - – - , by Amir Khan.

    Amir Khan is creative, respected and responsible. His coming on the Anna stage suddenly made all these idiots shut up Made all these idiots forget that they can twist the story in the Congress’ and the corrupt politicians favour…. by trying to make this look like anti Muslim.

    My salute to you, Amir !

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Say the same thing and advise your friends when Amir is seen with UPA members and your friends throw abuse at him.

    [ i just want you to recall this posting when the time comes. ]

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I join you and millions of our countrymen in saluting Aamir Khan, who stands in stark contrast with Shah Rukh Khan in his response to the issue of corruption spearheaded by Anna Hazare.

    About the other “leader”, let me say this:

    The media had so assiduously built up Randy Gandy as the youth icon of the new age, but when the chips were down, he was found woefully wanting in leadership qualities. He was also miles away from the strong sentiments among the youth on the issue of corruption.

    The media was holdoing its breath about what he has to say and what he feels on the issue, but when he opened his mouth, he went hammer and tongs after Anna Hazare for daring to oppose his government and party. And when the entire parliament took a momentous, sage decision to pass a resolution accepting Anna’s conditions, the youth icon, in reality a mere Amul Baby, fled the scene!!!!!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Obama’s sentence still echoes in my ears. When he was asked to comment on certain policy while he was elected but had not joined the office

    - ” At any point of time USA has only one President ”

    Similarly, at any point of time India has only one Prime Minister.

    Rahul has given that respect to this Govt.. He hardly has interfered in Govt. functioning. He has taken issues to the Prime Minister. But he hardly has interfered. In parliament, he spoke as an MP like many others. His time to act will come at the appropriate moment.

    [ I will give another example to help you understand it better. Many brilliant directors have acted in others' movies. While they act, they do not interfere in the director's vision. They simply follow the director's instruction. That is simple professional ethics. In your professional field, you never had to change roles. So it may be a little difficult for you to comprehend. ]

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prabhat

    I think you may be under this mistaken belief that fellow bloggers here had any REAL interest in the Anna movement.

    Their real interest is anti-congress; the Anna movement is just a tactic to propel that objective forward.

    If, in the process, the authority, dignity as well the reputation of Indian parliament is sacrificed then that is nothing more than collateral damage by friendly fire.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ravvi

    So you smelt RSS, Modi, and Golwalker here did you??

    L Mirza Reply:

    Ravi–

    Are you a psychiatrist to peer into people’s minds? How do you know their intentions, motives etc?

    Anna movement is not any party’s or anti-congress. It simply is a movement against corruption. Congress completely missed the boat here; they never understood how disgusted people, especially the youngsters were with the status quo and the daily news of gigantic corruption coming out.

    It had nothing against parliament (btw parliamnt does not have to be respected – it is just there to serve people)

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I did’nt but it seems that you did.

    Your Olfactory nerves jangle that much better than mine do

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Yes, Prabhat.

    convoluted illogicalities always fail to impress me.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    It needs a little more open mind to appreciate the nuances.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    @Ravi

    Correct.

    Tomorrow, if Al-Qaeda or LET starts targeting the Gandhis and the Congress Party, these RSS trolls will start singing their praises too.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Ashish and Prabhat

    Now I would still rate the success of this Anna campaign as a move forward and will not just take it as a pre ordained game.

    – It is a game changer as far as perception of protectors of corrupt goes.

    — It will eventually force governments to take action on the corrupt.

    Even if it does not, it will reveal that it will shatter the image of the dynasty and their divine right to rule…

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    I hope when you say “dynasty”, you mean entrenched political aprties, MPs who get elected and elected again because of money/muscle clout etc and not (just) Gandhi clan..

    To blame the Gandhi clan for dynasty is unfair, because it is people who put them in that position, not themselves.. They are not Hazare or Mahathma to reject that..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Raju

    Dynasties work both ways. Since mentioning the gandy parivar can cause us to take our ideological positions let me ask you a smple quesiton. Can an outseider really, seriously and factually think of leading a party owned and moulded by the Karunanidhi, Mulyam singh, Lalu Yadav, Biju Patanaik… etc Parivars?/??/

    sadly the model to all of them was the Gandy parivar.

    Unfortunately propping up the parivar requires a two way model.

    a) Create a media, a party , a sycophantic cadre which only worships the parivar’

    b) Once you are in power throw goodies at these worshippers.

    This in turn demoralises us all. That there is no chance for any other Hindustani to reach the top. for example if I were to join the Congress and shout out Vinod Sharma for PM… both me and Sharmaji will lose our membership.

    Now why should this happen in a democracy???

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Best option for you to start a new party and defeat Congress. Let Karunanidhi, Mulyam singh, Lalu Yadav, Biju Patanaik run their party their way. Who is asking you to join any of their parties.

    Act and defeat them.

    That should happen in a democracy.

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Prabhat–

    Let us not mix theory and practice…

    Starting a new party, building party organizations etc are money, media and time taking endeavours. It is simply outrageous to say someone can start a new party and defeat Rahul’s party or Lalus party.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mirza

    That effort for a day would be thousands time better than cribbing every minute whole life.

  • Ravi

    काके दा होटल

    Reading a report in the Times of India, one gets the impression that BJP leader Nitin Gadkari, went to the Ramlila ground and saw Anna. Immediately he became concerned about his health. Because a concerned citizen as he is, he hurriedly went to the Congress office and told them that he blamed Anna deteriorating health on the Congress.

    It is not difficult to imagine if he knew the cause of Anna’s deteriorating condition, he would have soon gone to the काके दा होटल and ordered him a hearty meal.

    The fact the he chose not to do that says what kind of a friend he is.

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Ravi-

    How do you infer Gadkari is Anna’s friend?

    Are you trying to associate him with Gadkari/BJP and pant Anna movementa s a BJP outshoot?.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Mirza.

    I was not.

    But the idea is neither novel nor alien to me.

    What I was trying to suggest is that Anna voluntarily undertook the Hunger Strike, only he was in a position to break it.

    Blaming his deteriorating health on the Congress, which Gadkari did, was a party political gesture and not a humanitarian one.

    He did have the choice to suggest to Anna, that he had done the nation a great service by bringing to the fore a very important issue, which the BJP will now pick it up, debate, and drive it through the Parliament.

    I do not know about you, but I am a firm believer of Parliamentary democracy.

    Now snipe away if that is what you wish to do.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Looks like you have fund memories of Kake da hotel ! I must say dahi meat still tastes same as it did 30 years ago !

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Typo :

    fond memories

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prabhat

    I have been there more recently than 30 years. You are right, I have very fond memories of the place.

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  • L Mirza

    People in power abuses power if left unchecked. They suppress other people.

    The result of Anna movement is that the powerful tried to negate the powerless; but the powerless through their tenacity, planned and focused methodologies, superior negotiation skills put the powerful in its place.

    The powerful will be a bit more careful in future. And that is good.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mirza

    You are right.

    But things turn out to be different with passage of time. Lallu was a product of JP’s movement. Today, he has no semblance of JP’s values.

    Prafulla Mohonta was supposed to be a student leader. We all saw what power made him eventually.

    With the passage of time, LESS becomes MORE and then FULL. So powerless becomes powerful and then gets into the similar problem of rigidity.

    I think people all over the country wanted something against corruption. So they supported Anna. But taking that as mandate for Jan Lok Pal Bill, Anna’s team thrusted the demand of Lok Pal Bill on the Govt. in its entirety.

    So friend, it’s all about power.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    SLIP of keyboard says it all !

    You mispelt Lalu as Lallu which means buddhu in hindu.

    maybe that was what u think he is… as we all do.

    Fortunately you never made the mistake of switching the ‘a’ and the ‘u’…..

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Prabhat

    Yes, many idealistic people brought up in high goal, idealistic movements, do a180 degree turn after years, while till being a member of that party (party itself may have lost the moorings too)..Congress, CPM, BJP etc all are at fault here; so also many of their leaders.

    Congress, because of its longevity and its leverage of all national heroes of independence movement, has been the worst abuser, and its leaders te biggest hypocrites.

    You are right that some of these civic group guys will turn out to be less idealistic, or even corrupt as time goes. Let us hope and pray they would not.

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  • Ravi

    Seditious Mishra

    Euphoria generated by the witnessing of a popular mass movement has induced in our resident Doctor Doctor some seditious thoughts.

    He is of the opinion that in India the Parliamentary democracy is broken. His preference is to replace it by a mob led direct democracy rather than seek ways and means of improving it.

    A side effect of such neurosis is spontaneous and random thoughts, such as farmer suicides.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Do you think I am the cribbing type?? ;)

    Arre baba I can;t start a new party becasue my father never did the bofors deal …. !

    I celeberate the victory of gr8’s like vajpayee and vote for them.

    Yes in my own way whther on the net or in real life I make sure that the bad people, like Digvinash dont get elected.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    What is your success rate??

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ ravi

    each vote counts in a democracy. Each thought counts. So for exapmle on this forum, i can convert 15 people … I have done my job.

    In real life. actually I am in a position to influence a bit more. Idont want to get into that….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    You sound like a politician.

    You evaded the question.

    I have no doubt what so ever that you are an influential and a persuasive man.

    What I wished to enquire was; how successful have you been in defeating the rogues (or at least those whom you deem to be rogues).

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    If you have so much faith in your persuasive power, then make me a believer of BJP or Shenoy a believer of Congress/Sonia.

    [ Full quota of beer for next one year on the way. ]

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ravi

    I think u need to understand that it is one man one vote in a democracy. You can only do your bit. I always vote, even if the choice is poor.

    Let me know if you can claim that it was becasue of you a particular party one…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Sadly, I live in a constituency which always returns a Conservative candidate to the parliament.

    I do not vote conservative.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    Do not understand why suddenly people are against ‘people movements” with statements like Parliament (or elected body) is supreme blah blah..

    The voting rights act in US would not have happened if leaders like Martin Luther King (whose statue was unveiled in the Washington Mall this weekend) didnot lead a peoples movement. Senate and House would not have initiated and voted for had he not lead a mssive movement.

    It is the fundamental rights of people to protest and fight against injustice, country’s looting etc whether done by foreigners or by ones’ own elected reps. Why is this sudden need for sanctity?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    There is a difference.

    At that point, in time the Black Population of USA was disenfranchised. Having no means of proper representation, the street protest was their only medium.

    That was also true when Mahatma Gandhi was undertaking Fasts, and other forms of civil disobedience.

    Today in India, every one, yes every one has a voice and they can be heard via their representatives.

    That is why we believe that this matter is best handled in the parliamentary way.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Those points never cease. new things continue to crop up that needs new ways of solving.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Especially by people who are violating the constitution by being theives, murderers ( many of them) or down right looters of public money…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Are we as sensitive to protests and movements by farmers, tribals, dalits, teachers, Govt. Officials ? Do we say the same thing when they come and protest at the Jantar Mantar ?

    We actually sneer at them for disrupting our lives.

    We loved this because of the political undertone. Period.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Cmon prabhat. Now that is cribbing!!

    Delhi sees a lot of protests and the people are ok with it. Only when the protesters turn violent that things go wrong.

    Or when the uncrowned queen of publicity seeking, Arundhati lauds terrorists and killers, does the delhiwala get angry.

    With anna’s cause there wan an instant connect…

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    I believe most people will generally identify with just causes.

    However, to transition one from “interested” to “committed’ (like here they joke chicken is inteersted, but bacon is committed) requires many other factors – may eb a personal experience, and most importantly an external enabler/afiliattor/organizer to provide it structure, message.. It looks like that Anna movement had all the ingredints to amke it a success.

    They should now undetake other high priority initiatives where Govt/bureaucarcy can be made responsive

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    The joke or the saying goes like this.

    In an English breakfast the hen is involved but the pig is committed.

  • Prabhat

    @ Vijay

    buddhu in hindu ?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    freudian slip to highlight ur slip…

    [Reply]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    in hindu ?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    meant hindi

    whoel sentence was Lallu means buddhi in Hindi. Incase you had written Lul- – it would have started implying somtheing else

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Sunday evening. A bottle labeled “strong”. And a keyboard.

    Oop !

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    the beer has yet to come. Waiting for a few freinds… yes a morning gamoe fo squash and a nice afternoon sleep with the cellphone shut… It was heaven…

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  • Prabhat

    @ All Doctor Blog mates

    When a patient comes to you. Do you put a thermometer in different angles and “tell him” that -

    1) if I put thermometer on 30 degree angle, your fever is 101 degree
    2) if I put thermometer on 45 degree angle, your fever is 103 degree
    3) if I put thermometer on 90 degree angle, your fever is 106 degree

    ” So decide what you have to do with your fever ?”

    [ Doctor blog mates can use their professional experience, others can use their common sense. ]

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Prabhat;
    Best place to put Thermometer is different from mouth. there chances of angle is minimal. At 101, I will say you have fever, at 103, you have a very high fever at 106, I will not say anything but immerse him/ her in a tub, full of ice cool water or even ice.
    You are saying something different , could not fathom it.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Now who said that… media on Anna in hospital?

    [Reply]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    What would you tell the patient if you were a doctor?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Well if I were the patient I would probably look at the nurse… and say I need mouth to mouth respiration :D

    But seriously solve the riddle for me… before I open the bottle…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Now that you got the bottle, pour the drink and answer .

    [ Leave nurses alone...You are supposed to be a Doctor, a professional one.... .]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I never thought it would be such a challenge for you to answer this simple question !!!!

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Well obviously I would say that fever is fever… the angle of the dangle does not matter…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    As a professional doctor, do you allow the patient to choose the option ?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    of ourse not… the doctor decides..

  • Gopi Thomas

    I remember a movie, years ago, in which, “customary” in Hindi movies those days, the heroine (or number 2) gets raped by a character palyed by Sadashiv Ampurkar, if my memory serves me right,a bad police officer. The girl cries and prays for Krishna; and Sadashiv retorts ” Krishna of Kaliyug will join me in the rape, so no purpose in praying; forget if you want Krishna of Dwapar Yuga to come and help you”..

    A large number of people are convinced, through personal experience and publicized information, that politicians are in Sadashiv’s camp – that not only they rape; but they also ridicule your worth, your beliefs in better angels.

    Arvind and group sensed this right. They also knew their limitations, making them look for an Anna, a Krishna of Dwapara Yuga; a loving benevolent Krishna in the minds of people. .

    Congress was Krishna of Kaliyuga, who joined Sadashiv Amrupkar in the rape when the girl prayed for help, prayed for an unending supply of sari to cover her modesty. They not only did not provide an unending supply of sari, but joined Sadashiv in removing the sari fast.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    “…Congress was Krishna of Kaliyuga, who joined Sadashiv Amrupkar in the rape …”

    I can see you have put expression in ” Black & White ” instead of “grey” for limitation in extending the creative expression.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Will appreciate any movie buff giving the name of this movie….
    In fact the producer can make good money by rereleasing it!

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Was it a Madhuri dixit film?/

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Congress is percieved to be the most corrupt thanks to its own Mani Aiyar launching the 70000 crores story. However in the current battle GOPI is right.

    I talked to many people including an old aunt who came all the way from Chandigarh to attend the rally. n obody has stirred them as this Ramlila did..

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  • B.V .SHENOY

    MORE ON THE TREACHERY OF SWAMI AGNIVESH!

    A SWAMI IN SAFFRON CLOTHES, IS AGNIVESH
    HE IS ACTUALLY A MOLE OF SIBAL IN CHHADMAVESH!!
    HE SPEAKS LOUDLY ABOUT SWADESH
    BUT ONLY NOW HAS COME OUT HIS TRUE ‘VESH’.

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  • vijay kumar

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    ~~ :D :D ~~ KIRAN BEDI THANKS SUSHMA, ADVANI AND BJP ~~ :D :D :D ~~~
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    Kiran Bedi has credited the support the BJP gave the anti -corruption movement as the reason for this success. Now here is a possible list of things whic can happen

    a) The RAW, CBI and IB will be given a budget to trace out if Kiran’s gr8 grandfathers third cousin was a shakha head in Amritsar.

    b) Modi Modi rape rape brigade will start dancing tghe salsa again :D :D

    c) Shabnam Hashmi and Kanti Bjapai will rush to the toilet and get a shite and then say… ” that is what we told you…”

    All of us can tick any of the above… :D :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi on Sunday said that the anti-corruption movement headed by Anna Hazare has reinforced confidence in the strength of non-violence. “The past and the present proves the fact that Non-Violence is in the DNA of Indians,” Modi tweeted on the micro-blogging
    site

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat– isnt it true?/

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    @Prabhat

    How ironic that Narndra Modi should be talking about the virtues of non-violence.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    It is very similar to Rajiv Gandhi talking about virtues of non-violence. Sikhs can testify on this.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Your justification is pathetic, but on expected lines.
    Two wrongs do not make anything right.

    I have always condemned Rajiv Gandhi and his government for not doing anything to prevent the massacre of Sikhs.

    Are you prepared to condemn Narendra Modi?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I thought you hated the idea that the Anna’s movement was supported by BJP.

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  • Ravi

    अन्ना जी हमसे मिलो हम हैं नितिन गाद्कारी
    तीनों मांगें आपकी मंज़ूर हैं हम को
    अब मान जाओ और खा लो यह तरकारी

    बहुत अच्छा काम किया है यह आपने
    वर्ना हम बीजेपि वालों में हो जाती बेकारी

    भारत रतन बना ही डालें गे तुमको
    अदवानी से करेंगे सिफारिश तुम्हारी

    यह काम तो वैसे भी उनका ही था
    पर अब वोह नहीं सुनते बात हमारी
    अन्ना जी हमसे मिलो हम हैं नितिन गाद्कारी

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Jehadi…why don’t you worry about Osama’s family that is trapped in pakistan?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Funnily the Al Queeda no 2 too has been killed in Pakistan!! The way the drone attacks are going, the world has found a solution to population control problems in Paksitan… :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    We did not see Ravi reading his marsia on this blog.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    r U at India gate celeberating Anna’s victory ??

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat and Binoy

    Don’t you think the Anna movement is similar to that of Martin Luther king,,, which in turn got its strength and inspiratio from gandhi ?

    And Binoy, whenver an American university writes a thesis on this… they need to be told about the tipping role Amir Khan played…

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Some reflections from the past —-

    Srimathi Indira Gandhi had more than 2/3 majority when Allhabad high courtd declared her election illegal.

    Jayaprakash narain had 100,000 plus patriots in the same maidan as Hazare’ when he sang Dinakar’s “Simhasan kaali karo ke janata aati hai”…against Srimathi Gandhi.

    Srimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi had the support of most of her MPS (except what was aclled in those days as “young turks” such as Chandrsekhar; if I remember right Pranab was also a young turk who must have been put in jail by Srimathi Indira Gandhi) . Fakrudiin Ali Ahmed, the president , signed off on her emergency decree (obviousy he didnt want to go to jail). She arrested all political opponents an dismissed the opposition govts of two southern states.

    The rumour was that it was more of Sanjay Gndhi’s idea than Srimathi Gandhi’s, and she reluctantly went on. ( We may never know)

    Her strong man in kerala, Karunakaran, behaved like an absolute king. Mny of you may have heard about “Rajan case”. Rajan was the only son of a college professor, a student at Calicut NIT (Regional engg college in those days).. He was picked up, tortured, killed by the police during emergency. His body was never recovered. The case filed after emergency went on for a long time implicating Karunakaran, DIG of Police etc…

    The Malayalam film, “Piravi” by Shaji Karun, is about this incident — It won the best feature film award .

    Rajan was a good student (to get into REC), into music and arts, with a leftist leaning; against Karunakaran and Mrs Gandhi…. The main newspaper in kerala, Malayala Manorama, was on Mrs Gandhi side defaming the Professor father and his murdered son. (it may not come as a surprise that a stamp in honour of Mammen Mappilai, the owner/editor of Malayala Manoram/Week etc was released just four months after his death– a fast track action for a bureaucratic country like India..figure it out!)
    (Rajan case details can be found in wikepedia and google reports)

    This is what happens when we say parliament is supreme, elected reps have the best interests of citizens. We all should be vigilant.. Americans believe in gun rights; the logic being they believe (really believe!) they need guns to fight a potential tyrannic govt, that a democratically elected govt can become tyrant!

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    Karunakaran kept winning elections after that. Was not the Rajan case big enough to defame him for ever. Or was the media then too, supplicant to the Gandy Parivar?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Media, business all supported Karunakaran. (I think Antony was against Mrs GAndhi actions; not sure).
    Part of the issue was that the first Naxalite movement created major problems on kerala, where four or five “big time” killings of landlords happened, such as Potti murder, Kongad murder etc..
    Karunakaran came across as a “law and order” man. Early seventies were bad with radicals like Ajitha, her mother Mandakini, Philip Prasad (Philip will later have a total transformation in jail, and become an ardent follower of Satya Sai Baba),

    I used to tell in those days that those Naxalite should have killed a few ministers or corrupt bureaucrats; they would have achieved more than by killing small landlords… Same thing now–instead of killing school teachers and constables, why dont they go after high level bureaucrats or ministers.. Are they in collusion?

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi

    Are you advocating crime – killings and murders?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    No, i ama dvocatig that citizens be preapred for the tyranny of the govt…

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay–

    Try to see the movie “Piravi” ( birth). It won the 1989 best actor, best movie, best director of National film awards; also won several awards at Canes, Edinburgh festivals, and many other awarsd (such as Chicago fest, Italy/Swiss/Iranian etc) through 1993.

    The story is loosely based on the Rajan case

    It music isby G Aravindan, himself one of the pioneering directors in Malayalam/Indian cinema.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    Thank you so much for locating Old BCL building at Rafi Marg. Ravi asserted its position with so much confidence( some where near Shops and Modern School, that I got confused myself. Same with Gita Rahasya, which he credited to Tulsidas? Of all the people, Tulsidas.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I still do.

    The book I was refering to is written by Tulsi Das. It is a commentary on Gita.

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    Do not understand people’s objection to support of BJP, may be in a later stage( tactical? Strategic??). Why this party has no right to get involved in any movement, from inside or outside?? Think of a Scenario, where BJP is in Power, any such movement happens, will congrewss remain aloof to that?
    Figure of Mother India in the background and slogans like Vande mataram or Bharat Mata kI Jai, how this has become communal? Does BJP own these slogans or has a copy right on them?
    These are merely symbols, with whom people can corelate. Ganesh Utsav, started by Tilak, was Symbolic in nature, where masses can be gathered , as they relate with Symbols. Would you like to call Tilak as communal? Gandhi’s Ram Rajya had n othing to do with hindu religiosity, it meant Sushasan only, The words were used as Indians can corelate with it and understand it well. Mahatma was Communal? Unlike many armchair secularists, he gave his life for it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I am not sure if any one here suggested that BJP does not have a right to join any protest movement. I would encourage it to do so.

    What is objectionable is to style the movement as a “spontaneous anger against corruption” and at the same time give it some form of BJP umbrella to cover it.

    I for one believe that Anna not only wrong footed the Congress it also made BJP opposition is an irrelevancy.

    Where as Secular artefacts as Gandhi’s pictures, map of India, the delightful bhajan, are all the property of the Nation and are not any single party. However, what people objected to is the hijacking/juxtaposition of such universal symbols with narrowly defined Hindu Right Wing people/artefacts/slogans, etc.

    Now I expect you to disagree with me, but that is my POV.

    BTW, just to share with you a couplet from Raghupati Sahay Firaq Gorakhpuri, whom I had the privilege of seeing at the yomai azadi mushaira in lal Qilla.

    यह जो कौल औ कर्रार है क्या है
    शक है या एतबार है, क्या है
    यह जो उठता है जी में रह रह कर
    अबर है या गुबार है क्या है

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Ravi, particularl;y for last four lines. I am also happy that you have no anaphylactic allergy to BJP. Every political party in India is basically Indians and unless they openly work against national interesrts, should not be isolated. Even, one quarter, or now it should be zero tolerance for corruption by any party, including BJP, or more so for it, because of its claim of being different. In masses, this culture of Chai Paani, Nashta, Paan and lastly Aarti, will disappear gradually, as some demonsrtrable consequences become public.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I want the BJP to become a proper right of center party with a full agenda which is not exageratedly focused on communal issues.

    That will be good for India

  • vijay kumar

    @ Pankaj

    Gulam nabi fai, a ISI operator gave international visas to BJP haters like Dilip Padgoankar, Kuldip nayar and co.

    He is one fact which has come out. They may be many a media person willing to sell hiimself to get Fai type international travel, stay and funding for NGO’s, if he gets ISI funds…

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  • Ravi

    हमारे बीच में रहता है एक जगत बहनोई
    छोटी छोटी बात पर जलता है दिल उसका
    हर गुणदोष विचारक, उन्हें दीखता है देश द्रोही

    खुश हाल मैं भी वोह मुरझाये, रहते हैं हरदम
    नफरतों को चुनकर, एक माला है उसने पिरोई

    खाकी निक्कर, सर पर कलि टोपी सजाकर
    जातिगत की उनहूँ ने है एक खेती सिंचोई

    दिन रात गर्व करता हूँ मैं इस बात पर
    लोगों की नज़र में हूँ उनका कठोर विद्रोही

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    Let me just divert the discussion. I had read about a silent valley power project stopped by the centre as it would disrupt the ecology of the area. For my knowledge, has the silent valley remained as a forest / green area OR has human habitation shifted there and it is anyway a populatd area???

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    You may find the topic suddenly a wide !! But was curious. My college thesis in environment was on the fact ultimately the threat to environment in India came from a growing population and not so much from the few thousand acres acquired for projects. So 15 yrs later I am wondering whether the the land saved for forests in Silent valley is still safe from human habitation??/

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Yes Vijay, it is safe!

    There were several ongoing tussles between Govt and the “civic” society. The idea of a hydel project was scrapped, the whole area was preserved as a national park.

    The area is of unbeliveable biodiversity; with a wide variety of plants and animals; including a unique variety of monkeys, about whom the fight started.

    Srimathi Sugatha Kumari, a respected poet of Kerala was in the forefront of this movement. She wrote a poem “ode toa tree” thatw as the siren song at all the ant-dam meetings. (She is a great poet; I believe some o her books have been translated into English and Hindi; try to get, you will like ) (Sugatha Kumari’s father was Bodheshwaran, a freedom fighter turned into a spiritual person).

    It was a togh fight between the governed and “elected”; a predecessor to the Anna movement.

    Not much damage is done other than (as ususal) felling of a lot of trees in the anticipation of building dam.

    Silent Valley is sort of a new name…. the original name was “Sairandhri vanam” ; and the gorge on which the hydro electric dam was going to be built is “Kunti puzha”.. Sairandhri (Draupadi) and Kunti are, as you know, the characters of MahabharathaThe legend is that Pandavas stayed here during thir vanvas enamoured by the beauty of the place.

    The opposition was not based on the Mahabharatha connection, lest our secularists start crying..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Thank you for the update !! My thesis was that that high population density poses a greater danger to Environment than just projects.

    Obviously the people of Kerala, despite ahigh population density have managed to keep the check with alow population growth rate. Would love to see the silent valley….

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ In the middle of a party… but a last thought of the day ~~

    Will the Congress media succeed in tarring this with a RSS, Modi, BJP briush and in the end make Congress lose 2014 by a wide margin????????//

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    This is my gut feeling–

    Congress will go on overdrive to implement, make it theirs and present to the people that they
    were wrong not to coopt this first; but they have more than redeemed.

    BjP, if they want to win the next Lok Sabha, has to start now, putting out how/what all they will bring under the purveyance, emphasize the non-violent way it was done (I sense Modi has caught on this, based on his microblog as somebody remarked here).

    Whoever comes avross as sincere to the Anna crowd will be the winner. Both have work cut out

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    By the time the next election takes place, this issue would have become just one of many other issues.

    BJP can win, but it will have to tone down the Hinduatva element of its manifesto.

    People in India have moved on, they have seen what RELIGION can do to a society. They want RELIGION to become a private rather than a public issue.

    I am pessimistic about BJP’s ability to ditch its core issue as it is firmly linked to its core vote bank.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    80% of India is Hindus. Their vote is split among many parties. There is no Hindu party, unlike Muslims; (Muslims is a vote block of Congress either on its own or thru Muslim parties). BJP should ensure it can get a winning slice in populous states through its own and winning alliances.

    It will be easier this time for them to construct winning alliance than for Congress.

  • pankaj#1

    Shan;.
    of hate havaldar fame, read the article by Amitav Ghosh, certainly a bigger intellectual than you and certainly not from Belt. Ruminate over his comments. Swapan Dasgupta, another, Bong, has written in n o uncertain terms. Opposition just for the sake of opposition, is unhealthy.

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    shan Reply:

    @prabhat#1, The exchanges are so banal , I have lost interest.I am aware many of the Foreign Citizens of indian origin have,suddenly turned ultra rightwing. This is because they are deracinated, cannot relate to their country of their passport, but when they see the deep rootednessof the native population , they feel the urge to mime , but unable to participate in their adopted country , transfer this flag waving of right wing goras to the net , the so called INTERNET HINDUS.
    As for AMITABH GHOSH, the literary circle in calcutta dont think much of him , CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF LITERARY MERIT, they think his claim to fame is because GORAS HAVE LIKED IT AS IT IS WRITTEN IN GORA BHASA.His novels come NO WHERE NEAR that of stalwarts ,manik bandopadyaya, samaresh bose, narendranath mitra , subodh ghosh(of sujata , chitchor fame)
    Jarasandh(bandini fame).
    As for swapan dasgupta , he is PAID spokesperson of BJP.
    FOR A RATIONALIST APPROACH NOW READ ON
    @Bloggers et al, THE REAL CURE FOR THE MALADY CALL CORRUPTION

    Form a committee comprising 1.nandan Nilekani2. debraj Roy, 3. MohandasPai4.harish salve4,Soli Sorabjee5.Azim Premji6.prof amartya sen
    They will first create a DATA BASE of corruption., by making detailed surveys . This will be to find out about if and each and every facet of corruption , paying particular attention to past cases and data supplied by vigilance dept.
    Next they will come up with measures, some may be tinkering with the administrative process , like making the public/govt interface TECHNOLOGY driven , thus corruption neutral, some legal recourse by changing legal loopholes , some by increasing vigilance , some by SIMPLY INCREASING THE SALARY AND MOTIVATING WITH SPECIAL TRAINING.
    This is how it is done in a civilized world , NOT BLACKMAILING WITH FASTING , AND OBSCENE GESTICULATING BY DUMBO BEDI AND AAMIR KHAN CASHING IN WITH FREE PUBLICITY FOR HIS DHOOM3.AND MUNNABHAI CHALA AMERICA

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    shan Reply:

    Sorry Typo for Prabhat read Pankaj#1

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    Ashish Reply:

    Since when have the Calcuttans become the sole arbiter of literary merit?
    Not made here syndrome.. Amitabh Ghosh lacking literary merit, indeed!

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, It is not calcuttans , it is the literary circle , as you more removed from bengali culture than me , so you are not up to date with the exchanges in the bengali media.
    Arbiter or not , that is what they feel about his work. and I fully endorse that view.
    None of ghosh’s novel IMHO comes ANY WHERE NEAR putul nacher itikatha , or padma nadir majhi , or aranyer din ratri or Kari diye kinlam.

    His novels are more of a history told with a few imaginary characters

    Ashish Reply:

    I have only this to say to those “antel”s of Bengal:
    shat koti shantanere he mugdha janani
    rekhechho bangali kore, manush koroni :D

    Sorry, rest of the guys.. this is private trip.. don’t even bother asking for a translation :D

    Sadia Nouman Reply:

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  • Praveen Saxena

    From the developments as they were being reported by the Media , I got a feeling that the BJP has finally taken a more clear stand on the Lokpal , and there is not much of a divergence with Team Anna. This is now cofirmed by Kiran Bedi that BJP was the Game – changer.
    Good . I was feeling impatient why the BJP is not clarifying its position. Now I would appeal to the BJP that it should quickly draft its Bill and post it on its website.
    Vilasrao Deshmukh and Rajiv Shukla, both Ministers in Manmohan Singh’s Council of Minsiters have told the country , that if Sonia Gandhi had been around , decisions would have been faster and the mistakes would not have been made.
    They have questioned the completence and ability of Manmohan Singh to be the Leader of the country. Will Manmohan Singh do anything about it ?….. Nothing.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    One thing the bJP doesn’t suffer from is premature ejaculation. It waited for the right moment and came out unambiguously on the side of the civil society.

    It has now come out that the civil society or Team Anna was on its last gasp, for want of oxygen called political support, when Team Advani pitched in with their backing. Which was why Kiran Bedi has praised Advani and his party for the most timely support.

    This fact is not lost on the nation, which was about to erupt in a violent reaction to the failure of the congress party refusing to see the writing on the wall for its corrupt regime.

    The two ministers you have named are the latest to join the fast expanding bring-Rahul brigade.

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    Ravi Reply:

    It may not suffer from premature ejaculation, but the BJP has been firing blanks ever since the RSS performed a vasectomy on it, almost at birth.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Was it Manish Tewari you had in mind when you mentioned premature ejaculation ??

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    Ravi Reply:

    No but I did have Nitin Gadkari in my mind when I mentioned vasectomy.

  • Mohan R
  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Mohan R- haha – lovely link

    @Praveen and others- ‘ if Sonia Gandhi had been around , decisions would have been faster and the mistakes would not have been made ‘

    Is Sonia Gandhi a mute figurehead who is rightly called a ‘goongi gudia’ or is she really this giant leader without whom the party flounders?

    If the latter then when did this transformation take place ? I do not recall reading any revealing interview of her or views of someone in Congress (who I can trust and who is not a sycophant) who says she decides party policy.

    I DO NOT THINK SHE IS GOONGI GUDIA, BUT SHE IS NEAR THAT END OF THE SPECTRUM

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    the last sentence is my personal opinion. I compare her with the following, who I may like or dislike- but at least they have personalities, stances and make public their convictions and policies-
    Indira Gandhi and Nehru
    Vajpayee and Advani
    Mayawati
    Lallu etc
    feedback welcome

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    contrary to the claim made above, Sonia Gandhi is a usurper of the congress chief’s gaddi. She simply occupied the chair when the incumbent president had gone to the loo to ease nature.

    Without exception Indian leaders, of even one member parties like Subramanyam Swami and Jayaprakash Narayan love to speak to naybody willing to listen and give bytes to the media at the drop of a hat. Because that is Indian culture. These leaders are seeped in that culture.

    Not so Sonia. She has remained a foreigner culturally and emotionally. She still retains her Italian passport and nationality (Shan Nirad Babu, please note). In addition, she is really a poor orator and still poorer parliamentarian. She only reads what is handed down to her by even such people like Jawed Akhtar. She doesn’t understand, even after decades of stay in India the Indian psyche and cares two hoots about it. Her mental faculties are suspect. Her physical faculties are not so anymore.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This nothing more than utterly prejudicial puerile hog wash, the product of a deranged mind.

    Sonia is not the best orator, but she is better than MMS and Nitin Gadkari, But then that is hardly a compliment when it is easy to judge Nitin Gadkari to be one rung below a dead chipmunk.

    Sonia, is an ELECTED member of the Indian Parliament.

    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy, Too much Ghoos has done irreparable damage to your thinking. SONIA GANDHI CANNOT RETAIN ITALIAN PASSPORT/NATIONALITY, IT WILL BE CRIMINAL FOR HER TO BE ELECTED AS MP.

    Knowing your grasp of detail I am not surprised you peddle such porkys.

    india does not allow DUAL NATIONALITY which USA,UK , pakistan , bangladesh does

    Manohar_T Reply:

    “contrary to the claim made above ……..”

    This is propaganda (lies, untruths, falsehoods, innuendos all rolled into one) RSS ishtyle.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    O by jove… RSS, ghoos, deranged mind !! Three people on the attack almost the way Anna was attacked with cries of RSS, anti- Dalit, US hand …. and what not !!

    Ravi Reply:

    Sonia Gandhi, is an elected member of the Indian Parliament. She is elected Chairperson of the political party known as Congress.

    She should be treated as such.

    What ever her personal qualities, she is a politician and we should evaluate her as such.

    In comparison to the total Charisma By Pass, Nitin Gadkari, this near mute Gudia is clever politician with her heart in the right place.

    Managing feuding congress politicians is no easy task.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Dr Mishra
    The position reiterated time and again by the Congress Party is that
    1. That Sonia Gandhi is the only leader they have, who they trust to have the wisdom and the capacity to handle difficult situations .
    2. That in the eyes of the Congress party ,the PM of India, Manmohan Singh is less competent and does not have the ability to handle difficult situations.
    3.That without Sonia Gandhi the Government of India may mismanage difficult ,complex situations.
    Now this what Hon’ble Union Ministers , who were appointed to the Council of Ministers by the President on the advice by the PM of India have to say about the PM of India.
    But the PM of India and the Union Ministers all continue to be in position and continue to govern ,as if this is of no consequence to the country. We have seen the PM asking the MOS Rlys. to visit the site of a major Rly accident ,..he refuses. PM does nothing.
    The Allies of the Coalition go about quietly , they do not wish to rock the Power sharing arrangement.
    Many are worried ,is the country in safe hands? Enemies of India are racing ahead and gaining an upper hand , but we are helplessly watching with a floundering government which hopelessly does not look to have the ability to take timely strategic decisions and take the country forward.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Saxena

    I was wondering, if you are able to tell me, which projects in India are on hold because of absence of Sonia Gandhi.

    Also it would be nice for you to name India’s enemies, who are racing ahead, while India is floundering.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Mr Ravi
    The country I was specifically referring to as the Enemy of India, is China. Which is also encouraging regimes in Pakistan and Nepal to be actively hostile to India.To me ,India does not seem to be be doing enough to reinforce and strengthen its military capabilities , which is just as important as Economic Growth , not only to prevent hostile activity against the country , but also safeguard its economic progress. It has been a neglected area for quite some time now. A lot of articles lamenting this, by our Defence Experts ,Analysts and Commentators have been warning us on this issue. Other than this, Indian Industry appears to complaining on Economic Reforms.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Saxena

    OK, now I understand your view point.

    This Hiatus in military build up, when did that start. Or are you of the opinion that the balance between building military strength, and economic development is not to your liking. Do you believe that a right wing government in India would sacrifice some economic development to bolster its military strength.

    It is funny that the official opposition to the Coalition Government sees Pakistan as the real enemy and not China.

    Never heard BJP mention China at all.

    I wonder why?

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    No Mr Ravi , I do not think that Economic Development needs to be sacrifiied for strenghtening defence. We need to increase spending on defence , and I concede that may require cutting outlays on some other Non Plan welfare activities. As per CAG estimates, the amount of leakage of government revenue due to recent government Corruption at the highest level , alone was sufficient to finance sustantial defence procurement.
    As for BJP not raising China , it is not visible as a subject of discussion because we do face hostility of China on a day to day basis, other than periodic Border intrusions, unlike the hostile activities of Pakistan. China’s hostility , at this stage , is more covert whereas that of Pakistan is overt. But I fear it is only a matter of time before it becomes direct .

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    I agree with Ravi- Party president vs party president, Gadkari isno match.

    BJP should quit harping on who makes decisions, MMS role vs Rahul role etc.. People know all that, and apparantly do not mind it.. No Hazare movement will happen to change that..

    BJP should springboard using some of Anna’s plank, projecting a Gujrat like inclusive growth for all Indians. Demonstrated growth accomplishment wins.

    Part of it is image which is part of a focused strategy. The old Gandhi looking man with a huge Gandhi picture in the background captured the imagination of the country – a desire for a clean, moralistic, simple nation.

    BJP has a golden opportunity. No need to blame Sonia if they lose again.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Praveen/Ravi

    China will pop up Pakistan for the short term..However, Jehadis will not have any soft corner for godless chinese who uppress their fellow Muslims in “Ueygher”; and Chinese will not hae any tolerance for the Paksitani extremism.. So I consider the Chinese/Pakistani relationship as a short term one.

    However, China considers any questionable real estate as its own; as such they will not relinquish their claim on Arunanchal. They will not fight a war, for that will be distraction to their global plans.

    Pakistan also will not engage in another war. However, the lawlessness of Pakistan and the prolifeence of Jehadi groups will remain a threat to India as longa s Pakstan is alive. Jehadis will get hold of the nukes one of these days, and they will use it against india. I do hope that India isorking alone and in conjunction with US on some level of denuking or ensuring weapons dont end up with jehadis.

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I agree with your analysis, but find some of your conclusion unnecessarily pessimistic.

    I think the height of Jihadi fervour is behind us, and soon it will recede to the lawless areas of Pakistan, where they have been for longer than elsewhere.

    Normal right wing, rather than radicalised right wing, society is what will emerge out Pakistan’s experiments with Jihad.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Ashish

    Now that the best politically correct and the coolest things have been said about Calcutta, let me rock the boat a bit… and add my unadulterated, wicked comments :D :D Based on I confess, just a few months I lived there

    That the city is a college student bunking classes… Someday he had to fail. Now I did bunk a fair share of my college classes but just ensured that I did not fail. Well Calcutta had to fail even it becomes Kolkatta… and Calcutta was bunking…. work

    That everyone there had a social conscience and was supposedly involved with an NGO or a progressive play but the end result was there seemd to be little progress on the roads and and the life around ….

    And damnit… the food was good, but it did induce afternoon lethargy and may be the reason for Bengal’s downfall… :D

    The whole society worked like the grand Bong JOint family with Jyoti da at the top…. but the family never seemed to love the 20th century… leave alng the 21st…

    Yes as Rajeev has observed… the doe eyed Bengali girls do deserve a better place to live in…

    :D :D :D

    Now all this I have said needs to be taken in a bhadralok spirit… but I know one incensed Bong will be firing his misguided missiles…. :D :D

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay,
    I guess most engineers would agree with your sentiments- bunk classes but ensure do not fail.. actually, it was very difficult to fail.
    About Calcutta, I said earlier, that I would not want to go and live there- even though I have a lot of connects there.Visits, yes. In fact we are planning a family foray during X’mas and new year- the best season in Calcutta.
    No one makes “Shingara” (samosa) as well as the bongs do- stuffed with phul-kopi and green-peas. Ah come on, man lives to eat.
    I do hope as a community we go beyond cholbe na, cholchhe naa… in Bengal. That said, the reasons of Bengal’s decline predate Jyoti-babu. Heard about frieght equalization?
    I share your admiration for Bengali women- I am married to one!

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, DO NOT CAST PEARLS BEFORE THE MEROS

    Literature has taken the rough edges out of man (Voltaire)
    Calcutta is a place in India where you feel intellectually at home (Paul Levy, biographer of Gordon Moore in sunday times circa 1996)

    It is beyond KHAP, who is more into DAVID DHAWAN and MUNJRA , i suggest you buy this audio cassettes , which you can enjoy with your wife
    Nanan Ronger deen guli (Those colourful days)
    and Tambaku seboner Upakarita(The virtues of chewing tobacco)
    Both are if I remember correctly adaptation of Chekov .Both are MONOLOGUE and two sides of the cassette and in baritone voice of Ajitesh Banerjee.It is awesome
    And I am not going to talk about Ballavpurer Roopkatha (Ballavpur ki Roopkatha) or Ebung Indrajeet
    (aur indrajeet) khottas wont understand the subtle nuances , its bit like the singhara and the flat greasy triangular samosa

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Vijay-

    You are right; while kerala may be the densest, population growth rate has been the lowest in India. The decadal growth rate, per 2011 census was 4.8% or less than 0.5% per year.

    However, there are significant variations between districts with a large muslim population and districts that are not . Malappuram, the Muslim majority (about 80%) district’s decadal population growth was 13.4%, or about 1.4% per year, compared to the state overall 0.5% per year.

    Th good thing, even for Malappuram was that the growth was less than the prior census period, in 2001 they grew at 17.1%

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Now let me dig out more info ! is this rapid increase of Muslim population in Mallapuram leading to a tension between mallapuram with other religions in the area?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay-

    No particular tensions; although political alliances/appeasemnts etc obviously are structured..

    Kerala had six more assembly seats based on population numbers, mostly in Muslim areas – Malappuram itself had four more assembly seats, all won by Muslim league or its affiliates. Muslim league won in all the seats it contested (if not all, may be 95%); it is the third largest party after CPM and Congress. It is the leading partner in the UDF government (all the “observers” say Muslim league’s kunjali kutty is the defacto CM and not congress’ OOmen Chandy). Congress can never win the state without Muslim league, especially if Muslim population goes on increasing.

    The good news is that Muslims are also going for smaller (than before) family sizes, as the census indicates — the growth rate has gone down from 25% to 17% to 13.4% in successive census, although still much higher than other parts of kerala.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Gopi,
    I have spent five years of my life living among muslims and believe me they will never ever go for family planning because their ultimate aim is to surpass hindu population in India or atleast create another pakistan based on tried-and-tested 2 nation theory.

    There will be another partition of India within 2 to 3 decades based on same theory. The demands for muslim reservation (similar to what Jinnah demanded) are pre-cursor to next partition.

  • Binoy Hegde

    Jim Yardley report in NY times today on Anna ending his fast

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/world/asia/29india.html

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  • vijay kumar

    :D :D ~~~ DATING TIPS FOR SHAN IN LONDON ~~~ :D :D ~~~~
    =========================================================================

    As predicted by me, one bong on this site will take my comments on Kolkatta in the wrong spirit.

    As diagnosed by Vijay ‘Freud’ Kumar, this a-bhadrolok, acts so because of a denial of ‘Gauna’ till a late age. Since his inferiority complex because of being brown as compared to the White Anglo SAXON girls of London, prevents him from getting familiar, here are a few tips.

    a) Dont quote Marlowe or Shakespeare to british girls… they will only fault you for accent and grammer… you will fail. Daler Mehndi would work better !! Or even Hariharan’ and Leslie Lewis — Sa ni dha pa… which was still playing in a Paris DIsco three months back… even though it was forgotten in Delhi…

    But most of all cleanse your color complex !!! :D :D

    And sing….

    “HUM KAALE HAIN TOH kya hua… Dilwaale hai…

    Hum tere tere tere… Chahane wale hai…. ”

    If you sing this at picadelly in a full throted voice, Mehmood style, you would have beaten your color inferioirty complex !!! :D :D :D

    =================================
    PS: Please post video after the act !

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    shan Reply:

    MATING TIPS FOR VIJAY KHANNA

    dO NOT GET OVEREXCITED , take it slow and easy else you will get premature ejaculation
    Use PROTECTION when visiting GB ROAD your weekly jaunt
    No not use MALES , unless you are severly twisted in orientation
    Do not use ABNORMAL POSITIONS else you will end up with PEYRONIE’S DISEASE where your Danda will be pointing towards your head

    HUM KALE DHANDHA KARNEY WALE VIJAY HAIN
    HUM GB ROAD JANE BALE DILWALE HAIN
    HUM KALE RUPAIYYA BALE BUILDER HAIN
    LEEKIN HUM GB ROAD KE GALION KE CHAHANEY WALE HAIN
    HUM KALE HAIN TO KYA HUA PHIR BHI KHAP HAIN

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  • vijay kumar

    ============================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~ HA HA HA … AS EXPECTED THE REACTION IS OBSCENE & VULAGAR ~~ :D :D ~~
    ============================================================================

    While I was trying to help Dr Death with sincere advise, half of me was sure that the reaction would be wierd and abusive !!!

    How predictable !! :D

    Arre baba this is a family forum so dont start giving lurid details of your past in Delhi !!! ;)

    but instead concentrate on the future. SIncerely the British girls won’t easily fall for a Wog. Even if a girls does, she will treat you like a dog !! :D :D

    Instead be a swabhimaani… and sing

    Jab zero diya mere Bharat ne
    Bharat ne mere Bharat ne
    duniya ko tab ginti aayi
    taaron ki bhasha Bharat ne
    duniya ko pahle sikhlaayi

    —————————————
    Tab shayed gori pat jaye…
    Aapka Gauna ho jaye

    AND THEN WE THE BLOGMATES will give a sigh of relief that your volgairtes have gone !!! :D :D :D

    Clear diagnosis !! Simple medicine !! HA HA AH

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    shan Reply:

    HA HA HA
    BLACK MONEY KHA

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  • http://- Rajeev

    NDA defence Minister called China threat no.1 after Pokhran 2.
    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/mar/30chindia.htm

    This is for jehadi who has started reading about India just recently.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    That was the assignment Pasha gave him.

    Pasha’s history book says there was no “Bharath” before 2000. And Pakistanis are
    descendents of Arabs.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi is exactly like Swami Agnivesh of this forum…A liar to the core.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Raju

    Pasha was also summoned to the American courts for involvement in 26/11. Maybe htere would e no Pasha after 2012

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Here is a blog echoing my take on Varun Vs Rahul. Congressis are somehow convinced that Rahul is intellect par excellence but people with brain don’t think so. Please don’t take it as my endorsement of dynasty culture. I am just trying to highlight how media has tried its best to show Rahul as mass leader but in the end it is his younger cousin who seems to be the real deal.

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tiger-trail/entry/varun-gandhi-far-ahead-than-rahul-in-the-game

    Varun Gandhi, far ahead than Rahul in the game

    Once upon a time till not too long ago, the Gandhis, whether we liked it or not were a charismatic lot. When I mean charismatic, I probably still rather ludicrously state that they were a ‘good looking’ lot and it was their superciliousness that covered up plenty of blemishes that smeared their political conduct. The Gandhis liked to cloak themselves in an enigma, a bit like the way the Kennedys did, but the enigma of the Gandhis is rapidly vanishing. Of course, there could be other comparisons with the Kennedys, including the numerous tragedies that both the families have faced, but for the time being the Gandhis desperately need a face lift to restore their fame back to pre scams and pre Anna Hazare revolution era. Undoubtedly, the coteries of Ministers and cronies of the Gandhi’s would still continue to act in the most obsequious manner around the Gandhis and nothing is bound to change this. But, the public opinion about the ‘first family’ that bore a dynastical heritage has changed rapidly. The educated, sensible thinking population of this country is responsible for disrobing the ‘enigma’ from the first family’s closet. Unfortunately, the ‘first family’ continue to greedily clutch on to their famous surname and use it to seek numerous advantages that are automatically endowed to them in the political machinery. Rahul’s “address to the nation” during zero hour is one of such numerous “ bending the rule’” incident and eloquently argued by Sushma Swaraj.

    This is a family that knew how to deal the right cards but somehow in the last few months, nothing has gone right for the Gandhis and they have been pulling out plenty of jokers from the pack. The last circus act being Rahul Gandhi’s insipid speech in parliament that could not have possibly received any attention from even a hare brained twit. Compare his speech to the passionate, extempore of a speech that his cousin Varun Gandhi delivered yesterday. Varun undoubtedly had our attention and more importantly he has felt the pulse of the nation, something that Rahul Gandhi has failed to do so. Rahul Gandhi read a prepared text, word to word for fifteen minutes, where as Varun Gandhi spoke extempore and in a matter of few words clearly articulated that protecting the privileges of the parliament may be important but so is protecting the privileges of the people and the parliament should be reflective of public opinion, not judge it and reject it. Varun Gandhi understands the working of the democracy far more lucidly than Rahul who looked uneasy in parliamentary setting and insisted that he had serious doubts that an agency such as the Lokpal could usher in a corruption free society. One Gandhi believes in the will of the people, the other does not. One Gandhi is willing to introduce the first step to curb corruption, the other remains placid in the current environment. One Gandhi spoke with complete empathy for the 74 year old, fasting Anna “ battling between life and death” while the other was of the belief that Anna’s actions were largely selfish and went on to state that “individual dictates, no matter how well intentioned, must not weaken democratic processes.” According to Rahul Gandhi “this process is often lengthy and lumbering”. One Gandhi appeared on a historic day in parliament and spoke eloquently of the will of the people and said that his party “will stand with Anna Hazare…stand behind him…and will stand in front of him”, in comparison, the other was completely amiss and was standing nowhere and in fact missing from parliament. One Gandhi understands the current crisis and can put his opinion across with great clarity, the other answers questions with a dimpled smile. There is a vast difference in the thinking, reasoning and understanding of the current Indian climate between the two Gandhis. Rahul Gandhi’s image has nose dipped further after his Mother has been missing in the last few weeks and he has failed in public perception as an adequate and knowledgeable leader, in contrast, Varun Gandhi has cannily used the circumstances to improve public perception. Varun was seen fasting alongside Anna and wished to introduce the Jan lokpal bill as a private member’s bill while Rahul Gandhi who has claimed to have traveled the length and breadth of this country and has met many of India’s poor is disillusioned himself and he has not yet come out with any ‘game –changing’ idea. It will be interesting to watch from hereon how the cousins will be playing the game, but for now, Varun Gandhi at this stage is far ahead and he has the whistles and claps.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan,
    I read your Hawaldar comments..
    What do you think about college dropouts like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?

    You have been living in west but still have typical Indian mentality..Only people sitting on high posts have brain..all others are cattle class.

    You are really a Bengali because a person from Babu class can talk like that.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Rajeev,
    much easier to cite the the “big daddy” of all school (forget college) dropouts- Rabindranath Tagore.

    Shan shoots first before taking aim.
    All Bengalis owe a large part of their being to that great man – who dropped out of school pretty early on. But, went on to found a university…

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    And shoots prematurely too

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    shan Reply:

    @Bill gates or even stevejobs HAD IDEAS THAT ARE ICONIC AND THEY PROVED THEMSELVES ON THE WORLD STAGE , THEY DID NOT USE BLACKMAIL ,NAAREY BAZI , AND THEY LEFT IT TO THE PEOPLE TO JUDGE THEIR PRODUCTS.
    Anna on the other hand used RAMLILA STAGE , ANASHAN BLACKMAIL , MEDIA MANIPULATION
    and did not have the BALLS to face ELECTION in TWO YEARS TIME.
    This where the hawaldar bit comes into the fore

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    The idea may not always be technical, it can also be political, ideological, spiritual or even evil.
    Anna has revived idea of using Satyagraha once again. It does work in India because we Indian usually tend to stay away from violence.
    As far as blackmail is concerned, please tell me what other options do people have when parliament elected by them works only for vested groups rather than common people. Had he used violence as a blackmail, you would have called him terrorist?

    I personally don’t believe in power of non-violence because it is ultimately threat of violence in the event of non-violent struggle failing, that scares the govt. The UPA govt. conceded ground to Anna because they knew if he dies, there will be large scale VIOLENCE in the country. Even brits conceded to Gandhi because of same fear.

    However I think looking as social make up of Indian society violent struggle is perhaps the very very very last resort.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Some people on this blog think Sonia Gandhi is above any kind of scrutiny. May I ask why? There are few things about her that are still not clear.
    1. She took Indian citizenship in 1984, 15 years after her marriage to Rajiv Gandhi. Why? There was also a problem about when she registered as voter without even taking up Indian citizenship (Indira Gandhi got it done).
    2. In her affidavit, she lied about her education which was later explained a typo error.
    3. Now that she is being treated on TAX PAYER money, why is she keeping her location a secret. If this country is paying for her treatment, it has right to know about her location at least.

    I have puposely not excplained point 1 and 2 in detail. I just want to see how congress supporters contradict my these two points.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev and Prabhat

    There is enough material on you tube which would make you wonder on the intellectual capacity of RAHUL.

    There is one clip in which he claims tjat Iindia is bigger than Europe and US ! :D

    In another he claims Gujarat is bigger than UK :D :D

    In another lecture to students in Bihar he starts reffering to them as Gujaratis and lames bad governance on Modi! :D ( confusing sudhil modi with narendra Modi)

    Well the last one had to happen as he was prograqmmed to say Gujarat , rape and Modi in the same breath.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    What r ur learned comments on the videographed evidence??

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  • richie

    No better than conspiracy theories around 9/11 claiming that Americans killed themselves for control over oil fields.

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  • GK

    If u are right, the saffron culprits should be in jail… and so should PC… I dont know the purpose of writing such a big article… grow up! there is a world beyond hindu-muslim issues :D

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  • Javed

    Sujata Anadam
    what blatantly biased piece !! absolutely dumb bjp bashing and unbelievable conspiracy logic.
    you write like this for free or charge money? And and you must be turning over this pretty quick, as you only have to precede your bizarre points with “my sources in this say … my sources in that say …”, who is to verify

    at least have some finesse in your writing – i think my first time editorial would roughly be of same quality of writing (better contents though)

    so reading this was a waste of time – it is amateurish trash.

    it is true you were brought kicking and screaming into writing these blogs, your writing reflects that. and you should be sent out the same way.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    When somebody in the family dies, do we book huge halls to place his/her body therein for relatives & friends to pay their respects to the departed soul? No. May be a tent is erected in the courtyard or on the street outside the house / flat, chairs are placed for visitors and simple food is served after the last rites. That should be the bench-mark for a wedding celebration too. It will be, if the economic downturn continues for some more time in the country and the world – people would smell coffee sooner than later.

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  • SL Rastogi

    Very well written article…80% of brides and grooms returning the rented marriage attire even in Delhi is quite revealing… but it makes sense to do so because it avoids some kind of wastage. I wonder how many people would like to keep it for emotional reason or wear it again and on what occassion. Perhaps 20% who do not rent the dress are the one in later category.

    Surely emotional bonds and family togetherness is missing not only in marriages but in every day to day life as well.Mechanics of day to day life and ecnomic pressures are taking its toll on every one.
    with best wishes
    SL Rastogi

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  • Abu Ahmed

    It is highly disturbing indeed, to put it extremely mildly. I suggest one should take all the top administrators and political leadership of the agriculture & finance ministries on a guided tour and show them the ground reality. and pursue the questions, firstly, of starvation and, secondly, of food storage till sweeping measures are taken to improve the situation.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    It is highly disturbing indeed, to put it extremely mildly. I suggest one should take all the top administrators and political leadership of the agriculture & finance ministries on a guided tour and show them the ground reality. and pursue the questions, firstly, of starvation and, secondly, of food storage till sweeping measures are taken to improve the situation.

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  • Brown American

    There is never a bad time to do something positive. Looking for the perfect time is like for a perfect spouse. Both are elusive. To do something positive in face of such animosity takes courage. One has to admire the courage of BCCi and PCB to take right step in such hostility, mostly from Indian side. Admire it, move on and if you have reservations that it will bring the two nations closer, then just watch it for the Cricketing Rivalry and enjoy it. Those who are negative about it in my view are just born losers.

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  • http://twitter.com/StuartLarner StuartLarner

    But this is nothing compared to some of the farcical tricks and antagonism that is documented betweeen English village clubs in the new ebook novel, “Guile and Spin” by Stuart Larner ,available on Amazon Kindle.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Guile-and-Spin-ebook/dp/B008FBZPHE/

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  • The Shaft

    Sunil Gavaskar opposed – he should be involved in decision-making processes so that he remains a part of the honchos of BCCI. I mean, his ego would be satiated – after all he was the greatest before Sachin.

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  • http://www.geeknoob.com/ Kundan Bhardwaj

    I don’t believe in new seasons and fortune. It is all about what you got, what you give and what are you build of like our Tendulkar who has it what takes to be a winner. Anyways lets hope for the best.

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  • pure essential oils

    pure essential oils…

    Anna, a John Doe 2011? : Separated At Birth…

  • Kushal

    Thank you, Parvana. Now you’ve made MY day brighter.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kanikadhupar Kanika Dhupar

    Once in a while you write a little-something about yourself which ends up as a delightful read, reminds me of your ‘Expletive Deleted’ column when it was a regular feature on the editorial page of HT.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thanks Kanika. And gosh, I had completely forgotten that column. I’m sure it wasn’t called Expletive Deleted, though.

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    Kanika Dhupar Reply:

    It had a grey background with you in really short hair sketched on it. I think you are right it was called something else, let me find that..

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  • sunila

    Loved this read, Kushal..it is delightful…also will bring back many memories for most people, like it did for me. thank you!.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Share the memories, Sunila?

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  • sunila

    Too many, Kushal, to put down here. Besides, across a view of so many years, some, i suspect, are more rose-coloured than what was reality! And there are so many desks…ours (my sisters) then mine, my childrens’,…but all the memories are of happy times, absorbed totally in the act of the moment, whether it was reading or writing, pasting pressed flowers and leaves, or painting, of an uncomplicated time…But mostly it’s a warm feeling of happiness. Later it was a refuge,(wrote poems, yes, really about green leaves and flowers and love!!) where mainly family left you alone to do whatever, unless you had cheated on your chores and someone else had to do them!My desk was like my own private room, with a do not disturb sign, unless invited by me to enter. i can’t imagine my world was so much my own when i was young…and oh, the ink of those days…how can i forget that! filling ink pens…doing all kinds of things with ink bottles, droppers, nibs….the most wonderful time spent with ink, smelling it, spilling it, ink in my nails, yes, in,!! wiping the mess, hoping no stains would stay…..Kushal, you really brought back lovely memories..

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  • social.petblaster.com

    social.petblaster.com…

    Anna, a John Doe 2011? : Separated At Birth…

  • Deepali Agarwal
  • Kushal

    No, your blog is entirely new to me. I remember the Green Park Barista. Grin.

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  • Dee

    Seems the rats are leaving a sinking ship.

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  • truth

    vir? what’s wrong, are the checks from the congress party no longer coming? the Italian maid no longer your hero? so sad….we “were” so secular…no?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No. He just thinks people are idiots to have forgotten about him and Radia et al. And, the Hindustan Times (the Company) is like the rest of India – corrupt people and corruption are just ways of life for them. No more!

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    bobg123 Reply:

    Oh…its another “Rat” who is abandoning the sinking ship…..no wonder. Then you never know he is trying to give a sincere advice to his “Masters”

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  • Manik

    Wow Mr Sanghvi…..What a surprising article and for a change a journalist was talking….Hope your reporting will be unbiased as this one….

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    geekay09 Reply:

    It will be naive and too early to conclude this as unbiased. He has to write advice to the govt coated not in sugar which is what is making you feel he has become unbiased. He has to reason and plead that pretend like Obama – show your tears and empathy. Wao. He is not advising nothing beyond. No genuine criticism of this govt.

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    Manik Reply:

    Agreed but at least it’s a start and hope he can bring out ills of dynasty politics of India..

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  • PPrasad

    How about discussing HT’s disconnect with the middle class ??
    During the ant-corruption movement, some of English Print Media’s “intellectual” journos termed the middle class as “intellectually handicapped” , “cattle class” etc..
    Instead of taking on the ruling establishment on issues of Governance, HT kept dishing out meaningless articles on non-existent “secular”/”minority” issues, anti Modi articles and projecting Rahul G as the next PM candidate !!

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    They will all fall in line in due course of time. Most of them have been feeding for a long time on the discharge of 10 Janpath sewers and have got scabies as a result. The itch doesn’t let them see the truth around them.

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  • Krishna

    UPA II is a GONE CASE.

    They are a failed corrupt gang of goons. They want to rule India like in medieval times thinking that the Indians can be taken for granted and India is a banana republic.

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  • lalit bagai

    the problem with this govt is that its top leadership eg sonia gandhi is corrupt,
    and completely uninterested in the well being of the indian people. sonia,s main
    interest is skimming of the cream, liveing as a empress, and planning for her
    retarded son to take over. this was indira,s way of ruleing the country.and leaveing her job to rajiv gandhi.

    sonia is now stricken with cancer, and the congress is knee deep in scams.
    it is faceing nemesis. the graceful thing would be for her and her brood to
    leave politics and india. india should be governed by patriotic and nationalist
    leaders, eg narendra modi, shiv raj singh chauhan and others like them.

    as for mmdingh. he is 80 years old. he should prepare to meet his maker to
    express regrets for the shameful betrayal of his country.

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    What happened Sanghvi? Not a favourite baby of CONgross anymore. Or Is it a break to breathe the fresh air. I hope that it’s an enlightenment as to the reality around us nowadays (of an awakened India). I hope Queen Maino and her motley gang won’t reprimand you for calling a spade a spade as You are used to calling it a spoon. Anyways, Best of luck. I hope you come out with more articles like this one that expresses public sentiments and eventually connect to them. Tell Barkha also past is past and not to eat any morsels thrown off by politicians. An unbiased Media is the strongest pillar of democracy. More than the problem of – voter fatigue and anti-incumbency, it’s the problem of arrogant rulers looting every resource of this country and then behaving atrociously with public if they protest. R@pes may happen but the protests shouldn’t, it is dictatorial attitude and not democratic.

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  • Tvk

    Vir Sanghvi is as usual pretending.He talks of anti incumbency and voter fatigue as reasons for middle class anger instead of corruption and corruption and corruption and the politics of reservations and the police raj of UPA for the uprise.As for Hidustan Times ,I pity the News Paper for its highly biased editorials and journalists who come on TV Channels trying their best to support the UPA and the Italian colonists in Delhi ruling class

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  • Mauren

    Excellent analysis! Thank you.

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  • ram

    let see how neutral VIr can be..

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  • Kokila

    Mr Prime Minister, you the leader of the country and your people solace in times of distress. Needless to say ,you disappoint us. You have nothing to loose,just go after the corrupt and goonda politicians. Do you read the newspapers? or you are barred from knowing what is happening in you country? Please ,wake up.

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  • dm

    One thing this article shows is that the UPA and the PM have become soft targets for the middle class media, and let us not even go into the Sanghi trolls whom they seek to placate with ever stupider columns. Dude, the rape incident has little or nothing to do with the govt and everything to do with India as a society, as a handful of intelligent persons writing in Indian newspapers have already pointed out. But as usual most of the media likes to stick to lazy and false assumptions and doesn’t really want to dig deep. so journos like this one take the easy and lazy way out, since it offers yet another easy opportunity to hit out at the govt. As for the govt not being media savvy, frankly nothing can satiate the nasty, partisan, and lying monster the Indian media has become. Taking digs at the govt. may win lazy journos brownie points with the Sanghis, but it does terrible disservice to that poor victim who just died, since it does nothing in terms of discussing the root of the rape problem in India.

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    kanishka Reply:

    Have you ever heard the hindi phrase, YATHA RAJA TATHA PRAJA.

    Fish rots from the top. Law and order is the responsibility of the government. Children easily learn what works and what does not. Greed and dishonesty works in India so does blatant violation of the law, whether financial (corruption at the top like 2G, CWG, COALGATE and no accountability of the government), legal (misusing CBI and bribing to manipulate the votes of MPs to stay in power at the center) or ethical (Vadera Gate or veerbhadra gate).

    Why no reforms has been brought in police and judiciary despite stricture from the Supre Court of India.

    Why some parties are still opposing 33% reservation of seats for women who constitute 50% of the population?

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  • kanishka

    Any objective analyst would blame Sonia, the super PM and Raul, the duper PM for their extra-constitutional seat of power and the media who does not raise the real issues that affect the real people.

    No media person talks about exponentially exploding population, lives of 70% population living under less than a dollar a day (almost 50% of the population still def@cate in the open in India, a shame for the entire nation) and deteriorating law & order situation in cities and villages while a section of the society is getting richer and richer using corrupt and dishonest means at the cost of average Indian.

    The UPA II has not vision, no direction, no game plan except coopting the media in their attemp on how to indulge in corruption and malign opposition especially Modi.

    Neither Sonia/Rahul duo nor MM Singh has ever given an open press conference and interview to the national and international journalist for objective assessment of their state of affairs. No journalist has courage to seek an interview with Sonia/Rahul who manage the seat of power with some hidden character. All three are used to read the written speeches so is coward Indian voters.

    UPAII must go along with attitude of english media if India has to progress.

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  • raju shah

    Italian bar maid has not paid dec check to Vir. that is why he is barking

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    What has gone wrong with Vir Sanghvi,has been commented by many.But what has changed with mmsingh,whom probably some admired , in his own words,is as he admitted during his speech in debate on Nuclear deal that left parties have made him “BONDED LABOUR”. That check has gone.Now he is in control of rival forces.Afterall slavery is a mental concept.
    Bonded is not a free soul.The action are in tune with like a string instrument, whose sound depends on tightening of wires.
    LACK OF GOVERNANCE IS VISIBLE AT ALL LEVELS.EVEN VIR SINGHVI IS ALSO CHANGING.

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  • raj

    Hi Vir, you are like a wind sock, change your political direction based on where the wind is blowing from…haha..MMS is a joke and so are you….everyone knows that sometime back you were defending the fake gandhis and MMS and now that tables have turned back on them, so have you…what next, you will start praising NaMo ?

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  • tbr

    That is why the Americans crack a joke for the rest of the world–That by wearing American Jeans- you can not become a American. That hawker as part of the gang rape team was probably wearing jeans-but he was a Indian idiot by brain. True or False ??

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  • tbr

    The other very well noted point in this article is greatly appreciated –UPA did bring in fresh and young faces in the Govt. but it is the same 70-85 year olds running the top Govt policy directive!! Worth noting a point. I have a closed relative at 93 who does not want to go away and very stubborn to use a mobile device! What are you going to do?? Wait for them to disappear or do something for the mess we are in !! Advani in the waiting for becoming a PM???? A point to be noted.

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  • JB

    All that Vir Sanghvi has stated is true. And there is a moral of the story: you cannot run a a government in a democracy through a hired CEO: it just does not run.

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  • tbr, USA

    CEO is a very-American Corporate world acronym –somehow it does not fit in the Indian culture. Just a point.

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  • Anonymous

    Finally, Vir has written a piece that resonates with what every Indian (except Robert) feels. Sonia should resign from the Chairperson of UPA and President of AICC posts and join us in the streets. Ofcourse, please leave those SPG guys with their Israeli guns at 10J.

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  • Javed Mian

    These guys like Veer now feel Congress’s days are numbered. Clearly evident from Rajdeep Sardesai’s, Burhkha Dutt’s and this id$$iot’s wrtings.

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  • insideeye

    Why no word on the role on the heir apparent Rahul Gandhi? Being the face of the Congress, he should be articulating the party’s position on the gang-rape. Bot time and again, when he needs to stand up and be counted, he goes underground.

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  • H.Mani

    Vir saheb,I’m not in the habit of kicking a fallen guy.I will try my best not to be mean spirited.I will just ask you to buy a globe of the world.Just a cheap one.Take a look at the size of China,Russia,Canada,USA,Brazil,Australia even Saudi Arabia and compare with the size of India.You do not have to be rocket scientist or even have all 52 cards of deck.What do you see.?And then get the census figure from UN.You will see,why and how India has all the trouble?Has any news paper or Jouranlist or any politacal heavy weight starting from Nehru ever showed any concern for exponential explossion population??.I will tell you what,rapes,murder,people’s problems are no longer real people or concern,they are just numbers,numbers do not have faces.Why should Sonia or Rahul or MMS acknowledge these faceless numbers and address a open press confrence or give interview?More than the Congress,I’m more disappointed by guys like you and Indian media,you have failed the sorry unfortunate countrymaen.That is the real tragedy.I can say a lot,for I was once your fellow countryman,I wept when my President wept in Newtown when innocent kids were mowed down.He has asked Vp Biden to prepare gun control of assult weapon,legislation.Where was need to send this commotose girl to Singapore?You guys are a sorry lot.I’m ashamed to be once part of India by birth,I can not change that.I weep as I type this.With malice towards none,nice day ,STILL.H.Mani,NJ,USA

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  • mms

    Hello Hello I am Nira Wadia…Vir, my darling, what are you talking all this?…I just talked to Sonia madam and Rahul baccha and they are sending cheque to you through their sweepers MMS and Shinde. Pls stop writing against your beloved party. Love you darling. Bye – yours Nira.

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  • Deep

    Vir, there is hope for your rehabilitation after all. Keep in mind that the UPA won a second term due to the lethargy of the Indian voter rather than their brilliance in the first term. Keep on taking your daily dose of reality and truth and it will all work out!

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  • Seema Sangra

    I have always been a Vir Sanghvi fan,but this one is an extremely well written piece. It’s a good insight about changing scenario and the need for the political parties to consider it.

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  • Vinod

    So, you say that UPA is lurching from crisis to crisis because of voter fatigue? And a global recession causes them to have crises and lurches? And finally, both crisis and lurch are caused by mass media! Brilliant.

    I thought I just saw a 1.76 Lakh Cr elephant, a 75K Cr Gorilla, a 1.4 Lakh Cr Godzilla, etc. etc. zip by. Must be my imagination.

    UPA1 was just as bad as UPA2 – they simply sailed on the winds of a well managed economy that they inherited – look at the economic figures like the Current Account ratio. UPA 1 didn’t get caught until UPA 2 happened. The crookery was well in place, despite the communists fighting against it.

    Manmohan is not a badly sold image, neither are the rest in the Congress’ management. They ARE bad at governing this country, they are collusive in the loot and plunder that we have had to bear for the past 9 years.

    And people like you are guilty of protecting them and hiding the truth.

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  • Bhaskar Bhattacharya

    It’s not that UPA can’t handle the media. There are no LEADERS like Obama who have won their positions by campaigning the length and breadth of the country. In other words they are afraid of peopkle, forget about engaging with them. Contrast this with Obama who is ever ready to talk directly with the people, be it town hall meeting, or in a school or auditorium or just an open field. They are not afraid to connect directly with their own citizens. Obama does not think that he is in any way superior to the ordinary citizen. He feels that it is his responsivility to serve them. Unfortunately such values are not imbued in our politicians.

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  • shame

    see who is writing this. our own congressman Vir

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  • shame

    Hey Vir, just read all the comments written on your article and if you feel a bit of shame then stop writing

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  • Anil Sharma

    Mr. Singhvi, I raced through your fluent article imagining there would be a line or two about the failure of “Gandhis” to connect with the masses, to address the protesters or assure the people of India. And you singled out MMS? Someone always controls a puppet’s strings, or will you have us believe otherwise.

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  • kabir awadhi

    how can a rape in a city show ineffeciency of our national government ?? vir sanghvi and most of d commenters here have just politicized it when in fact its a social and law n order issue.

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  • Guest

    The biggest change is in the state of the economy. The world is no longer a rising tide that lifts all boats.

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  • Manish Kumar, Patna

    Why blame Dr Singh alone when UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi is the de facto leader of the government…Vir Sir why no mention of the Gandhis? They are always there to take credit for a NREGA and Right to Information or a Right to Education Act but when it comes to real governance issues like the ongoing Delhi protests or inflation or the economic crisis you will never find them taking any responsibility!

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  • Kedar

    I disagree on many counts, Vir.

    1] The Congress is not behind when it comes to media-savviness. Whenever I watch any TV debate on any topic, I always find their representatives – Manish Tiwari, Renuka Chowdhury, Kapil Sibbal, Digvijaya et al very well prepared, aggressive and far more confident than they ought to be. Contrast this with the ever-fumbling BJP spokespersons. Have you ever wondered that whenever the Congress is in troubled waters, Digvijaya comes to the rescue with his carefully crafted, digressive and diverting two penny comments? Besides, folks like Sibbal, Tharoor, Montek and many others come across suave yet fierce orators, what with their superb English and presence of mind, even when they are lying through their teeth.

    2] I’m no fan of the BJP and her sick, bronze age ideology, but let’s give credit where it is due. The NDA rule was way, I repeat waaaaayyyyyy better and progressive than even UPA-I and in fact the UPA-I bore many fruits of the former’s policy. And I see you only going ga-ga about one of them that too when it is not required here.

    3] The Delhi rape case is in no way the fault of the Government, or even our laws. It only stems from our sick, misogynistic and hypocritic society. It is only the pathological liars or the incorrigible fools who would blame the Congress for that! And I don’t think any one else in the shoes of Sheila Dikshit, or Shinde or Manmohan or Sonia would have handled the aftermath of the rape any better. The damage had already been done.

    4] I am astonished to see that you can only see the so-presumed media disconnection being the cause for the alienation between the Congress and the common man. As if the multitude of record breaking corruption scams, clear inefficiency, nepotism, sycophancy, arrogance, power-misuse and numerous other ills as epitomized by the ruling party carry no weight at all! And please, voter fatigue, anti-incumbency and global recession come across as pigmies when the above mentioned players are in gear!

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  • pankaj#1

    Vir;
    I can not understand, why you refuse to see or acknowledge the obvious.
    Everybody knows that UPA II came to power on the shoulders of Urban middle class but continued to look for its voters amongst rural people, and muslim vote bank. Nothing wrong in looking after your underprivilaged populace but it was done so much shoddily that, majority started feeling discriminated in place of being a partner. for this progressive step. Like, MMS saying -muslims have first right on national resources, What???? Howcome????
    Then, you are not pointing out this glaring fact, admitted indirectly by even congressis. MMS was never given full freedom to work as Rahul was being foisted on UPA II and Indian population brazenly. Digvijay was always snipping at MMS’ heels. For your information, Digvijay has caused considerable harm to Congress apart from other contributors, including Sonia.

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  • ruchi

    Sir, we have read so much about the UPA-II’s direct benefits scheme. Last Minister Jairam Ramesh was heard giving statements about it with reference to what Rahul Gandhi was talking about it. Oddly Gandhi is not an office holder but a Congress Party member. The scheme (with its positives and negatives is just now a supposed trump card for the Congress in the name of the UPA where tax payers’ money is being used.

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  • vinta nanda

    A point I would like to add in your observations is that we also have to take into account the audience to which most explicit sexual innuendo is targeted to. How discerning are those people to whom most popular Indian Cinema is reaching out to, how they perceive attitudes of men and of women in item numbers and which way do they react to the lyrics and the visuals of the songs you are talking about? Basically in which way does it all reflect in their behaviors in general life.

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  • Deepti

    wow.. Sanghvi wants to be in the limelight by asking people to boycott honey singh… y?? because this so called track was an underground song back in 2003.. and not a public release..??

    its just a measure of people taking their stupidity to new heights .. if you see the pettitioners profile on causes you will c she is happily posing in the recent Delhi protests with a friend.. thats how bothered she is with women emancipation…

    Honey Singh is a performer.. lyrics might be atrocious.. but it came from a 20 year old at the time.. n we all know how 20 year olds behave n swear..

    get a life and do something contructive Mr Sanghvi.. like taking a pro-govt stand as seems to be the official policy of the tabloid tr@sh competitor to ToI

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    Desi Canadian Reply:

    are you for real?? I don’t know any 20 year olds who use this type of language. have you even heard the songs? if you can justify these lyrics you probably think that that poor girl on the bus deserved it too. shame on you. your comments seem to be targeted at the tabloid but you picked the wrong topic to take out your anger. it’s about time you grew up a little.

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    Javed Reply:

    lagta hain tu kabhi jawaan hua hi nahi ae uncle

    you must have spend your whole life only with geriatrics. anyways dumba88 here is something for you to ponder

    you say you dont think young ppl are capable of such filthy lyrics just because in your pathetic existence you havent come across anyone like that? well i say read news more carefully – the juvenile was in the forefront and far ahead of other adult criminals while commiting this most heinous crime

    a 20 yr old penning these lewd lyrics is a picnic in comparison. it pretty universal

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    Rue Reply:

    May be you don’t understand punjabi very well. Or may be you’re just dumb! Have you listened to his lyrics?!! oh or may be, you just like those things DONE TO YOU!!!! GOOD FOR YOU!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When a Punjabi talks….looks like saying Jokes or lewd….
    So it is not their fault…..
    When they call a persons name…miss first alphabet….

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    name1 Reply:

    Ridiculous! if u like those songs. They are insulting n outright derogatory. I read the lyrics when all this hullabaloo started and I cud nt understand how have ppl not reacted against these yet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bhajan ….man …best…Kabirdas!….yr salvation

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    Alok Desai Reply:

    20 year old is not young. He was old enough to be sane. Such attitude are for life. Get a life girl.
    Can’t expect such views from a woman atleast. We don’t need such “peformers”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Two ways …either castrate all….no population problem solved plus this
    OR compulsary marriage at 16 yrs of age….but then population problem

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    Natasha Reply:

    Seriously, the ol’ good for nothing fellows are just trying to get the publicity by pointing the gun at Honey Singh. Honey Singh is India’s best rapper and he will be more popular after this incident.

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  • LK

    Vir – you have explained why Honey must face the music..fine…but can you tell us why u should not face the music on Nira Radia calls? your brother Rahul baccha and your step mom Sonia have done nothing in last 10-15 days so you may want to talk to Nira and make a conference call with them. After all everyone knows that you are a CON-gressi

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    Rue Reply:

    are you high on weed or something?!?!?! how can you even compare the two issues! SMH

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Free society….man!

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Very well said. Honey singh is r aping music and Vir Sanghvi is r aping our democracy. Both of them should face music for their respective crimes. Infact all the Queen maino’s gang should face the music for loot and plunder of our democracy and the people of India are left to face the music ultimately.

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    aam aadmi Reply:

    this man is paid bjp wala.I’m following his comments for last few weeks. His dirty mind is full of political shit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you tried political shit?….same taste?
    You call yr self Aam? and Aami too.
    seek others opinion

  • Rue

    I’m SO glad you wrote about this, Vir. I’m with you about sexual references in popular culture. I came across the song in question some 3-4 years ago on youtube when he was still a nobody (he still is a nobody to me). I was shocked and appalled and could not believe my ears when i listened to the lyrics (they are BAD. specially if you understand the crude punjabi he uses in it). Then like 2 years ago, he became this famous punjabi rapper and all that and people went crazy on him. I was like WTH, do people not know about ‘those’ songs? How can anyone in their right mind be a ‘fan’ of his music. I refused to go to his concerts in Melbourne. And I bagged my friends who listened to his music for their bad taste. I’m SO SO SO happy that his songs’ lyrics have been brought into spotlight. I just hope he doesn’t try to cash-in on his notoriety now. Those lyrics should hound him for the rest of his life! Period.

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    Javed Reply:

    Even your friends don’t agree with you and do not see things the way you want to force everyone
    Why should we listen to your bakwaas?

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    alok desai Reply:

    So you think that the “rapist” lyrics he wrote are good for the society?

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    TRUE.HUMAN Reply:

    Man, can a song change the society? I mean, do u want to say that had honey singh not sang the songs, there won’t hav been any rape cases in India? Did Honey Singh exist during Draupadi time? Man, I respect women and I respect music too. Can’t you take it in musical point of view?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He should restrict to Bhajan….or Natya
    Dont eat for three days and all sex drives will drown!

    Alok desai Reply:

    A song reaches lakhs of ears and can affect thousands of curious young minds who may find this ‘cool’. So it does matter. I am an aspiring musician and I respect music.
    But every single such thing matters and you never know whom or how many it mite affect.

    Javed Reply:

    shows us some evidence that they caused harm. then we wont protest like sissies with candles in hand. we shall file a criminal case – something concrete

    but show us some evidence. else your emotive drivel is just hot air. It is not taking this fight against crime forward – at best it is a fruitless distraction

    Anonymous Reply:

    What is Bakwaas…other than what u blog!! Liston at this place…no audio

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If lyrics arouse you then what will happen if you go to Seashore!!!
    where cloths means nothing!

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  • Suren singh Sahni

    How many politicians and police and their children are rapists and murderers VS you are barking at the wrong tree. What deterrence is in the streets when girls and women are humiliated daily

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  • Javed

    Of all the serious issues you have chosen to flag this softy issue. You are so lazy Mr columnist. leave honey Singh in peace and write something substantial to make us think. Not this fluffy drivel
    There are so many logical flaws with your struggling make believe arguments. What if honey Singh says in court he did not pen lyrics? Or he says the song is not written for women but on female mannequins? He will either not end up in court or acquitted. And then what will say about the damage to the cause when this poster boy target of feminist Ire walks free respectfully. Goes back to his fans even more well known. Tera to ch00tiya katt jaayega na!

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    Animal Reply:

    dats wot I am professing from so many days !!! U penned it well,man !!!

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    Rohit Reply:

    awesome comment.. instead of blaming the culture of daarubaazi that prevails in north india and punjab in particular these elitist and drunkards themselves are blaming a singer.. Please stop this.. we dont need your advice as you dont need our advice on banning sunny leone an adult star on prime time in India.. how away from reality these JNU fed columunists can become..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    tell him…when aroused
    Apna haath Jagnath

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tera to ch00tiya katt jaayega na! which school teacher you had…male? 2002 me Modi ke log kiye…kaat di…Baccho ko naize par uchhala…..Shaitan envied…he could not do better…

    Forget lyrics…first find these Detyas

    Bhajan soona kar …sala kab marega aur kide khayene

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  • name1

    hw is it possible that for years he sells his videos under his names n when an FIR gets registered on his name he says that he never wrote these songs. It is like Vishal Dadlani saying he never composed the music of Om Shanti Om even though it got sold under his name.

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    Javed Reply:

    dont you read – he didnt sell those. the production company is responsible legally

    anyways since there is no evidence whethere he penned it or not and given it is an old video ignored even then – legally the case against him will fall flat

    Viv’s point is right – as a journalist Sanghvi must abide by facts. Whether Honey singh really penned them or not – we dont know? But he is denying them now – is a fact

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  • http://www.alokdesai.in/ Alok Desai

    Rightly said!

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  • Pradeep

    He should come out publicly and apologize for what he has done so far and promise that he will try to be a role model for all the young adults. Let him do that and I will not have issues with him; thats my personal opinion though.

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    Rphit Reply:

    why dont you ask for an apology from the sunny the leone… why only honey singh who has more female fans than you can as fb friends :)

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    Javed Reply:

    I am sure he is not stupid to get dragged into what is already controversy. But you sir are certainly stupid. Of all the useful things you can demand from the govt for better policing, judicial reforms etc see what you have demanded

    no wonder such ghastly crimes happen and no fear of law

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  • Rakesh Kadian

    I never had this hotel in high esteem anyway. But now I have decided to boycott it as my single small step for a better society.

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    Javed Reply:

    I shall custom this hotel it it provides value for money. As regards better society I already contribute in a concrete way & dont believe token gestures do any good

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brothel connection in hotel?

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  • Rohit

    I cant believe that Honey Singh is being made the scapegoat by a society that welcomed sunny leone as is she is the reincarnation of mother teressa.. That song is 6 years old and no one needs to take action against him now.. Its the songs like CHIKNI.. ya CHIKNI chameli, HALKAT jawani, o la la oo la laa that needs to be banned not Honey Singh alone… The feminists and men apologists who are blaming a rising star again.. Punjabi singers are just plain jealous of him .. MIka singh is singing DUNIYA MERE IS PE etc… Sunny Leone is entertaining people through Jism – 2 and you are blaming this awesome singer… I would say his songs Gabru is an awesome song.. HONEY SINGH all the way…

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  • Ashok

    I believe you guys are wasting your time by paying attention to this paid journalist. If you do not believe me. Please have a look at bellow link.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268066

    I am not sure if you will see my post as I believe HT is also doing censorship on post as my last post did not get published. Anyway I believe I will keep on trying as we believe in India, we have freedom of expression.

    As long as people like Lalu (politics) Azhar (Cricket) and Vir, Prabhu Chawla are there in their respective fields, India can not be on right track.

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  • Anonymous

    Where there is honey….there are bees

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  • Anonymous

    Heard about Kaljug in Canada?….they dont care what they see at swimming pool…..
    Western europe….porno for all but no rape still….it is dirty mind!!!

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    Do you plan to join Brookings India ?

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  • RickP

    What are you, dude? A pessimist or does not believe in your own country? Get informed and more importantly get out of your 300+ year old slavery attitude of “We can’t do it.” Not only we are doing it, we are leading in a lot of defense technologies. Yeah, Believe it and oh BTW, I am an American!

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    Guru Reply:

    India does not lead anybody in any technology. Indian officials
    get HUSH money (kickback) and buys these inferior weapons

    and kickback money goes to Swiss banks. Do you have any
    American weapons???

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  • Jai-Hanuman

    Another Indian born/educated cab driver or working in Walmart

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  • Probhat Raha

    India does not have any coordinated Nuclear Policy. It has back-fired in the case of Pakistan. Pakistan with its wholesale imported war equipment is having the upper hand in deployment. DRDO is showing off new hardware but most of them cannot be deployed with India’s poor infrastructure.

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  • Anonymous

    I think you need to expand the horizons of your mind to understand the harm a closed Islamic view can cause to the world and to the individual.

    The Koran for example talks about the world being made in two or three days with seven heavens. Now in case there were no Non Muslims, the jehaids would ensure that this was the only view of evolution which would ever exist.

    The Sharia laws which are derived from the Koran would be good MAYBE for people in the 7the century. But then had not other religions or athiests not existed, the world would have been and eye for an eye world where women would have been tortured in a burka in a polygamous harem. And media people hired to glorify this torure.

    The purpose of your column should be to get Muslims and other religions closer, rather than proclaiming the superiority of regressive backward thought.

    9-% of this so called Islamophobia is a phobia in the minds of Muslims planted to make them feel that the world is after them. Yet have they ever pondered why liberal humanists, writers, scientists, filmakers, thinkers and democrats
    find Islamic thought clautophobic and anti humanity?

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    junaid Reply:

    Islamophobia is a phobia in the minds of Muslims planted to make them feel that the world is after them.I quote from your letter. Is this not true? Look whenever, America and other western countries find, the christianity is in danger or something is possible, they will get together to do it in no time. Take for example South Sudan, an Island in Indonesia. They created states for christians in no time. Look why they are there in Afghanistan and Iraq. What are they doing to Pakistan, Yemen etc. Are not only the Muslims who are the target of their “kindness” Tell me if America is fighting against any other religious group except Muslims. The facts are facts.

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    jumanji Reply:

    you blame only western countries. Are eastern countries fond of Islam? Name one country where muslims are happy(unless it has monarchy (gulf countries)). No religion likes Islam – christians, hindus, budhists etc. anyone. So stop blaming USA

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    jumanji Reply:

    good reply. No need to post any more replies, you said it.

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    mehak Reply:

    It is people like you with half knowledge of the holy Quran and shariah and the place of women in Islam, who write and speak things this like this.There is so much hatred in your words and in a country like India where muslims co exist as citizens ,this is not acceptable or appropriate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Any religion or thought process which is stagnant and tries to recreate the 7th century is stupid. Why do you use modern medicines not prescirbed in Koran? Why do you use electricity. computers, cars which did not exist in Koranic times and then say all the knowldge only exists int he koran. God save the world in case the world were to be run by mad Maulivs who get money from Saudi sheiks and want the world t run by the koran.

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    Dude Reply:

    It’s not acceptable for your people of islmaic background to have killed and converted 80 million Hindus, Buddhists and Jains from the time you invaded and tried to rule for 7/800y years!

    Where is your remorse for this? We all know what happened! Only you muzzos think you converted ppl peacefully….. All you can say is where is the evidence…..

    I mean you must be a ****** if you think an average joe will want to convert to such a pitty ful religion!

    It’s fact! its history ! it happened! it is why your sorry a s s ancestors were converted down the line to be what you are now a fake follower of a rubbish 3rd generation book of abraham which was created a by a illiterate warmonger

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  • Anonymous

    Islamists are a curse on humanity and a disease.

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  • Ganapanty

    The same way Muslims fear BJP, the world fears Muslims.

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  • Anonymous

    Muslims need to ask themselves what do they prize more ALLAH OR ISLAM.If it is ALLAH then that unholy book and its supplementary written 1000yrs after the original need to be junked. But the problem is muslims like islam and not really bothered about allah . Thus the BEARD , HEAD SCARVES , SNIPPED FORESKIN all external appearance , INTERNALLY VACCOUS.
    I can only speak of UK. Thus we see MUSLIMS PACKING UK JAILS and majority non terrorist offences. Thus muslims depend on all the modern inventions made by the non muslims for their amenities and even their survival for left to their own , they wont be able to extract a drop of oil.. THEY ARE IN SUCH A PITIABLE STATE TOTALLY AT THE MERCY OF THE WHITE CHRISTIANS. Now they need to ask why, the same civilization that built AL HAMBRA , and algebra (Al-jibra, as it was known).produced minds such as AlBiruni, and that book Al Muquaddama.
    For answer refer to 95 thesis pinned in front of a church. Thus began the chasm.
    OH YES THEY DID NOT HAVE LOW CASTE HINDU CONVERTS LIKE ZIA FULL OF MALCONTENT leading the muslims like the pied piper of hamlyn , another one being Zakir Naik another ANTAJA

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  • Anonymous

    I have always called Zia extremist and this blog is a confession by Zia.

    No US visa for him…ever.

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  • Anonymous

    The extremists like Zia blame non-muslims for the plight of muslims but can they answer this…

    http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/

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  • mumtaz mehnaz 90

    Stupid to write such a blog.

    Why dont you turn the gaze inwards Mr Zia. People like me who travel to France, UK and US know that Muslims are now identified with killers and bombmakers. On top of it all the male Muslims want to put us, the girls in a Chaddar or tent and flirt with the Hindu, Christian or white girls who are smarter just because they have more freedoms and are not bound down by a book. So the woman in the house is the dependable ruck sack and the woman outside — Non Muslim– is all glamour and fun.

    Have the Sharia in your house Mr Zia. Would you want your sister or daughter to be an unequal partner in matrimony? Or be bound down by the dictats of a 75 yr old Maulvi who himself lusts for child brides.

    Reform islam. Instead of trying to force us to become fundamantalists just becasue this column makes you popular with orthodox Muslims.

    PLEASE TELL ME WHICH VERSES IN KORAN ARE ADDRESSED TO WOMEN. WHY SHOULD I BE DICTATD BY A DISCOURSE AIMED AT MEN?

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  • Dude

    Reform reform get these muzzos out of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangerstan all of which belongs to India!

    Why don’t you do an article on the Hindu Holocaust? 80 Million plus Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains massacred or converted by force by the scum of the earth Islamites……..80 milion sunshine not 6 million like how the west has coveted the 6 mill jews that died in the jew holocaust at the hands of Hitler….

    Go back to arabia!……
    Wish there was an ashoka type figure that would reclaim all the lands unite India and rid these lands of all Islams……Putrid abrahamic religion!

    We all know how muslims like to fabricate all evidence and history claiming they invented everything even pre islam…..but most of all they like to bully and take land! and convert by force…….

    If I was in power 1000 years ago I would have discarded of all Hindu traitors who were too weak and helped these scum enter the land of hope! peace and tranquility!……..

    Sanatana Dharma long live!

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  • Abhi

    Does, “guided by a commitment to his religion” automatically imply hating other religions, for adherents of some religions. How else, do you explain, “my initial reaction was to be remarkably pleased”.

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