Time to bury the hatchet



Three countries in South Asia are in the middle of political maelstroms for reasons unique to their polity. The Indian crisis is rooted in an unending welter of scams, Pakistan’s caught in a maze of sleaze, governance deficit and institutional breakdown and Nepal’s bane is its inability to give itself a republican constitution.

The one common strand in these case studies is the deep distrust the political players harbor for each other. In India it’s the UPA versus the NDA and the Left, in Pakistan the ruling PPP’s alienation from Nawaz Sharif and a host of regional entities and in Nepal the Maoists troubled ties with the Nepali Congress, Madheshi splinter groups and factions of the Communist Party of Nepal.

The discord between political forces has reinforced the Pakistan Army’s veto in the country’s affairs despite its battered profile in the aftermath of the US raid on Osama Bin Laden’s Abbottabad hideout and the terrorist strike at a naval base in Karachi.

The pitiable state of the only two institutions that country can boast of — the fauj and the PPP — is fraught with myriad consequences for Pakistan in particular and the region in general. It could mean a Colonels’ Coup against the army leadership, an army coup against the elected government and in the worst case, even a fundamentalist takeover of the country where the government’s writ does not run in vast swathes held by feudal lords, tribal chieftains and terror contingents.

The Indian logjam could be surmountable if only the political class learnt to work together to redeem their plummeting stock. The repeated Opposition assault on the government has a two pronged objective: to expose the regime for what it’s worth while forcing an administrative breakdown akin to lame duck dispensations.

The public forces that are on the rise as a consequence can be placated. But for that, the UPA will have to provide a semblance of rule that’s at once honest, sensitive and creative. Sonia Gandhi’s unexpected ailment has added to the prevailing uncertainty. But when the going gets tough, shouldn’t the tough get going?

It’s time therefore for some tough decisions by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. At stake isn’t just the survival of his government. It’s about India that we are worried—- be it the economy, foreign policy, internal security and the defense of our borders.

The US’s downgraded credit rating has revived the worst nightmares of its 2008 economic downturn that saw people mandating Singh a second term (in 2009) to save India’s economy. An encore by him today will require teaming up with the Opposition rather than seeing them defeated at the hustings. If he reaches out to the BJP and the Left in right earnest, they are expected to reciprocate— in national interest— to bring the corrupt to book, repatriate ill-gotten wealth stashed abroad and put in place laws and institutions make transparency and accountability a core national value.

The prescription for India is applicable as much for Pakistan and Nepal. Only the politics of consensus can save South Asia.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    On Pakistan, I will bet that fundamentalists will take over the country.. A combination of “fundamentalist colonels” and the crazies outside.

    It is bound to happen.

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    israr raja Reply:

    Gopi, do not bet, you will lose. i think most of people are influenced by western media and they think that fundamentalist are on the brink of taking over, because it suits their interest, but in reality, it is not like it, Army is very secular in nature and right parties never win in elections.

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    ANIL Reply:

    I wonder how India’s vote-bank policy will keep delivering anything of substance to its people after that phase!
    A Congi-Tali Bhai Bhai slogan will surely not save their day!

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    It is odd though understandable that the onus for bringing some kind of unity in the polity has been put on Manmohan Singh, who has progressively shown that he is unable to control the horrible price rise, debilitating inflation and decreasing general well being of the nation. All his hundred day deadlines and assurances have simply turned into dust and flown away.

    Actually, the onus should squarely be on Sonia Gandhi, as the undisputed leader of the ruling party and coalition, to seek out co-operation from the enitre right and left. But, she has shown that the faith her party people and large sections of the Indian society have reposed in her has been of no avail at the crucial juncture of the country’s existence, when political sagacity and leadership were the utmost need of the hour.

    She may be excused for being ill right now and the country as a whole wishes her speedy recovery from whatever the ailment she is down with. But, what about the times when she was well and at the helm, which is most of the time? Last year, when the Indian state of Kashmir was burning with daily reports of stone throwing and deaths of common people in police firing, she confined herself within the closed doors of 10 Janpath and never so much as hinted that she wants to apply the healing touch, particularly when her own party was ruling the state in coalition with the Abdullahs.It would have made all the difference to the precarious state of the state government and the populace. But, she failed to do what was the least she could.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Shenoy

    What Vinod says is that this is the time for some action and results. let us not debate about what did not happen.. Lets focus on what could be done.

    Global finance, inflation, food security, domestic security, controlling corruption etc all are issues. There are no congress/BJP disagreements on the issues country faces; may be in the priority, may be in the approach.

    This is the time for decisive Vallabhai Patels – men of strong m oral character who can influence and drive actions. MMS has the moral side; but is he “actio” prone.. Kabil is action prone, but does he have the moral aspects?

    Anna and ramdev etc are trying to fill this gap.

    It is time to put egos out. Let BJP, Cong, Civil Society leaders get into a room, hash out, and do not come out till a strong actionable platform is developed.

    I will not bother much about leftists. Last election has shown they do not have people behind. equal treatment is not always good, especially when decisive actions are to be taken. Include strong regional parties.

    I agree with Vinod taht we are on the cusp of some bad things. Prabhat sort of alluded to the general malaise, role of “misguided faith” etc in the last blog.. Time for our political leaders to put country first.

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  • pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    Very timely warning and again a good piece of writing. Yes, this is not a time to fight amongst political parties on trivia. Situation is getting worse by day. How important it is to bring back the days when leades commanded some genuine respect. If this does not come back then, I am reminded of a Pakistani joke:
    when martial law was lifted, it was seen that a Major sahab was being attacked by three people, on being asked, why you peole are attacking him, first said, this Major gave me Maan ki gali, second person said that first person is his friend and when he found that Major is proving stronger than his friend, he joined in, when third person was asked, what he is doing here, he said, I thought, martial law is over, so why not….
    this is a scary scenario, also shown in movie Singham.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji, Gopi,

    what both of you in effect suggest and Vinodji has broadly hinted, will perpetuate the dynasty for another 25 years. Already CNN-IBN has come out with a highly biased “opinion poll” which suggests that Manmohan Singh will be on idea whose time is already gone. There is noother leader in the congress party who can then discuss ‘issues’ with the opposition. Rahul Gandhi doesn’t have the stature, nor the mental calibre to kick-start the stalled reforms, to which the ruling party has only been paying lip sympathy.

    Bleakness will not disappear soon.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes,
    Rahul brigade has now come in open.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    @BVS

    You believed in the poll carried out by Anna Hazare’s team re: Lokpal Bill (ref your post in the previous blog), now you do not believe this poll. How come?

    How do you know that this poll was highly biased and the previous was not? Or your opinion is based on the fact that Rahul Gandhi got 40%+ votes and Modi only 5%. Seems, you believe in polls/reports which are in favour of your beliefs and heroes, debunk the others.

    As for me, I take all such polls with a pinch of salt – no matter who conducts them.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    stick with this blog…

    lets not refer to who said what in a diff blog… difficult to track

    BH

    Manohar_T Reply:

    @Binoy

    I am sticking to the blog. What I wrote is part of the blog and I mentioned what he said in the previous blog, So no confusion. I was only pointing out to the inconsistency of his view/opinion.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yogendra Yadav’s opinion polls have become big jokes in recent years, particularly after the Tamilnadu poll forecasts. CNN-IBN is, for all intents, a sarkari channel(remember how Rajdeep Sardesai played foul with the cash-for-vote CD?). It is not my opinion or as you would very likely say, the view of the RSS. It is generally viewed as such.

    As for Anna Hazare’s polls, even if one agrees that the percentage of 85 is exaggerated or manipulated, still it cxannot be 25% or 55%.

    As for Rahul Gandhi becoming the prime minister, I would welcome it, if not for anything, then at least the country can be rid of the dynasty mania once and for all, after he fails spectacularly, which he will.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    @BVS

    Thank you for proving my contention. When one starts with preconceived beliefs and ideas (sarkari channel, et al), then one gets posts like the one you have posted. Hence, I will repeat and rephrase what I said – take the results of opinion polls with a very huge pinch of salt.

    Now coming to Rahul Gandhi. Whatever, the Congress party sycophants may desire and keep shouting themselves hoarse from the house-tops, my considered view is that he will not occupy the Prime Minister’s chair for a considerable period of time – perhaps not for the next 10 to 15 years. If he does earlier than that, I will stand corrected. He probably is number 2 on your hate list, at least give him credit (which I doubt you will) for not agreeing to even become a Cabinet Minister (he realises that then there would two centres of power in there) and instead crisscrosses the country’s streets, dusty roads and second class compartments You and your fellow travellers keep dismissing this as a ‘naaTak’ and consider him to be good-for-nothing (he may be one for all one cares) and continue to spew venom. You are all entitled to your view.

    One scenario, i would like to see is that for 2012 UP elections, he declares himself as the Chief Ministerial candidate and if Congress gets a majority should be the CM. How will this fit in with the power structure within the Congress I do not know.

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Manohar,

    if your point was about taking all opinion surveys with large pinches of salt, I will say you stand proved.

    Rahul Gandhi is not, despite your accusation, No.2 or 3 or N on my hate list. I only hate foreigners, particularly white skinned foreigners when they show pretensions to being capable of ruling India. Now that Sonia Gandhi has voluntarily accepted that PMship of India is not her cup of tea, even she is not on my hate list.

    It however doen’t mean that Rahul or his mother cannot be made fun of or criticised for what they do or don’t do or what they say. For example, when Rahul Gandhi attacked the much respected Achuthanandan in the Kerala elections and made fun of his age, Achuthanandan called him Amul Baby, which has stuck to him ever since. It definitely doesn’t mean the CPM leader hates the Gandhi bachcha.

    SKS_Mumbai Reply:

    Rahul Jee not agreeing to take cabinet position= An industrialist’s son taking a clerk’s position in his dad’s company. Big deal

    As for UPs Chief Minister, his Guru Diggy has already confirmed that Rahul is too big for a SMALL job like that.

    If he doesn’t occupy PM’s chair despite Congress being in a position to do so would simply mean that he is following into his mother’s illustrious steps: have a puppet as PM , rule the nation, all achievements are mine, all failures of MMS. If one can’t see through the travesty “of a slave addressing a billion people on their independence day” (as someone tweeted today) and still claims and appears to be rational then the only question to be asked is: what is his real interest?

    Finally when an opinion poll in metropolitan cities picks Narendra Modi and another one, predominantly in the rural areas shows Rahul Gandhi, as the most popular choice for PM you know why continued poverty and congress style literacy alone can guarantee the sustainability of the Family’s business model. [and yes I know one can’t equate poverty and illiteracy with rural areas but that does not change the argument]

    Manohar_T Reply:

    @BVS

    The impression I have got from the last few blogs is that the Nehru-Gandhhi family is no 1 on your hate-list. Constantly caricaturing them is an indication of it. If it is not so, good. Moreover I cannot stop (and do not wish to do so) you from doing so.

    Regarding political confrontation, you have read my post below – indicating personality based discourse. I do not think that Rahul Gandhi’s attacking Achuthanandan was in good taste.. Anyway he got an appropriate response. Just desserts.

    @SKS

    You should read my post carefully – proviso: Whatever, the Congress party sycophants may desire and keep shouting themselves hoarse from the house-tops. Looks like you have not so, hence no rejoinder to your rant, except as follows.

    It looks like that having two centres of power does not seem to be working very well (even Narayan Murthy has said so yesterday) – perhaps the Congress needs to recalibrate the arrangement. We will have to wait and see.

    Calling the Prime Minister is a slave is in bad taste. BTW, what is Nitin Gadkari and others in the BJP – are they not slaves to Mohan Bhagwat & Co. Therefore, what else is new?

    SKS_Mumbai Reply:

    Manohar_T

    Calling the Prime Minister a slave is in bad taste, BUT having a Prime Minster who is a slave is just fine?

    Lame that you cite Nitin Gadkari etc, first of all that question should be raised when RSS nominates somebody, who has never won an election in his life as PM and such PM is as lameduck as MMS.

    Ooh it SEEMS to you now that two centres of power is not working well, it never occurred to you that one centre has ZERO Accountability and all power, is flawed to begin with.

    As for the RANT, read again:

    RAHUL not being a cabinet minister is no great SACRIFICE as you are trying to portray and it doesn’t need an Einstein to see that, unless one happens to be …………. less said the better

    Diggy has said Rahul is too big for UP’s chief minister ship and that is a fact.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    SKS

    Calling people names is more a reflection on the caller than the on the target.
    Let me remind, lest you may have chosen to erase it form your memory, the BJP, especially L K Advani had called the Prime Minister all sorts of names. The consequences – the voter gave such a hard slap to Advani that he has forgotten his Prime Ministerial ambitions for good.

    You also seem to forget that a person is a Prime Minister of the country not of a party. I did not agree with Atal Behari Vajpayee’s ideological leanings and on many issues and policies, but he was my Prime Minister too and I have never used and would not use any derogatory term while referring to him, neither for Advani or even Modi. Read my post regarding Pandit Nehru and Ram Monohar Lohia. It seems etiquette and civilised discourse must be non-existent concepts to you – you are unable open your mouth or hit the keyboard without abuse..

    The Indian constitution (not your interpretation) allows either member of the house to be the Prime Minister. Arun Jaitely – the leader of the opposition has also never won an election either. Nitish Kumar – the Bihar Chief Minister, has chosen to be a member of the State Legislature Council and did not contest assembly elections in 2005 and in 2010. So do not make an issue when there is none.

    If you wish make an issue. Nitin Gadkari – the BJP chief has never won any assembly or Lok Sabha Election, unlike the Nehru-Gandhi family, who have always contested. So lets us not go that way.

    The Nehru-Gandhi family (the centre of power) have always subjected themselves to the rigours of the electoral process. In contrast – the BJP’s remote controllers in Nagpur have never ever even contested panchayat elections, let alone Lok Sabha or Assembly elections. So let us not go down that path either.

    As i have said above – I do not care what the Congress sycophants say. If you wish to interpret differently as to why he has not agreed to be a cabinet minister, be my guest.

    I was only thinking aloud about Rahul Gandhi as a potential UP CM.

    You can continue to rant.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Correction

    The Indian constitution (not your interpretation) allows member of the Lok Sabha or of the Rajya Sabha to be the Prime Minister. Arun Jaitely – the leader of the opposition has also never won an election either. Nitish Kumar – the Bihar Chief Minister, has chosen to be a member of the State Legislature Council and did not contest assembly elections in 2005 and in 2010. So do not make an issue when there is none.

    SKS_Mumbai Reply:

    Manohar

    >>>Calling people names is more a reflection on the caller than the on the target.
    Let me remind, lest you may have chosen to erase it form your memory, the BJP, especially L K Advani had called the Prime Minister all sorts of names. The consequences – the voter gave such a hard slap to Advani that he has forgotten his Prime Ministerial ambitions for good

    Oh so since Advani lost the election, so Manmohan became a man with SPINE. Logic ..

    Listen MMS is a slave and it is sad that he is Prime Minister of our country and these facts do not chnage because you don;t like the character of the people saying that.. Tough to understand

    You seriously think Nitish Kumar is in the same league as MMS?

    And Arun Jaitley is LOP in Rajya Sabha.

    You can put as much lipstick on the Pig as you wish, but Pig won’t become beautiful.

    It is amazing that we’ve people who don’t see a Slave in Manmohan Singh. That explains why we remained slaves for 1000 of years.

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    SKS_Mumbai Reply:

    Manohar

    Just a clarification:

    Real Men will call a spade a spade, no matter the consequences.

    So if you think LKAdvani losing elections after calling MMS a slave is good reason, to avoid calling MMS as a slave then try those for whom conseqeunces overrule TRUTH.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Ho, ho, now the ‘differences’ are being highlighted to justify your arguments. Arun Jaitley is a LOP in Rajya Sabha. What else is new?. Dr. Manmohan Singh (he is also leader of the Congress Party in the Parliament and of the Parliament by virtue of being the Prime Minister). Nitish Kumar not being in the same league as the Dr. Singh. Would you care to enlighten the world – how many notches is Nitish Kumar below as per some ’standards’ that you have chosen to apply.

    What other double standards you may invoke? Let me guess what you may come with – Dr. SIngh is 70+ years of age and the other two are not. Dr. Singh belongs to Congress and the other two do not. I think you need a a refresher course elementary lessons in civics as taught in schools, I will leave the finer aspects of constitution aside, as that would be beyond your comprehension.

    I still reiterate that it is more of a reflection on the caller. You can keep calling hm whatever you feel like it. As I had told B V Shenoy and it aptly applies to you too – one can take a horse to the water, but cannot make it drink. You can remain thirsty, it does not bother me.

    L K Advani using many adjectives for Dr. Singh was one of the reasons – the main reason the BJP has to sit in the opposition since 2004 is very well known to the world.

    Any more rants to justifying your earlier rants? Go ahead, I will read them, but will decide if it is worth carrying on this conversation any further, does not seem so.

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  • ishwar

    No consensus… the opposition should go for the kill.

    The nation has had enough of this family rule and would do fairly well without it. Spin doctors of the family are out in numbers raising fingures at anyone and everyone against the government policies – be it a Prashant Bhushan, a Anna Hazare, a Ramdev or the RSS. The home minister has been using the shield of “right-wing terror” to defend his own position in the 2G mess.

    The economist PM and his team has failed the masses. He deserves to be booted out.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    AARAKSHAN AND UNITY OF INDIA
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    I am looking forward to seeing this film. Already whereever this film is discussed whether on youtube or a preview, the comments below are hideous. The reserved population is very abusive and defensive- full of maa bhen ki gaaliyan.
    Reminds me of the vulgarity practiced on this blog by RAVI & SHAN.
    ————————————
    WHY do i mention it here? we are a divided nation, at war with ourselves. So is our politics- no unified approach even on simple national issues. The comments on AARAKSHAN are like- you take reservation away and we will do desh key tukde tukde.
    That is why lalloo loots, as does Raja as does mayawati, as does Chautala

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    btw, anyone seen AARAKSHAN ??

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sandhu Sahab;
    This has been deliberately promoted by vested interests for vote bank. Choohon ko haldi ki gaanth mil gayi. Apple of democracy has been given to undeserving(??).

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Potential was always there, what is lacking is political will. At least prevalent south asian as well as global realities should guide us forward in taking sound decisions that would take the country and the region towards peace, economic betterment and higher employment etc. Politicians have nothing more to lose apart from ill-gotten wealth; at least now they should try to offer a less pock-marked face to the people by doing the needful.

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  • bala srinivasan

    You cannot compare or equate these three asian country’s problem as if they are the same.It is not only fundamentally wrong but idiotic&stupid.I am not emotional when I make these remarks but objective.India’s malady is MALAISE,while pakistan’s is one of denial.Nepal is lost in itself.Amazing to see the pundits of indian media trying to be provocative&stupid all at once just to be DIFFERANT.

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  • ramesh

    It is high time ,we stop dreaming.Bare babu mmsingh ,cannot act.The present leadership available in congress is capable of manipulation only.
    we need strong leadership.who can call a spade a spade.
    congress lacks honest leadership.
    our country has threat from CHINA ,PAKISTAN,ETC.
    EVEN TODAY OUR SOLDIERS ARE KILLED AND THEIR BODIES MUTILIATED.RECENT CASE OF SOLDIERS OF KUMAON REGIMENT.HT DID NOT PUBLISH THIS NEWS.
    MMSINGH CANNOT HANDLE .
    VINOD JI TALK OF ALTERNATIVE.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    a review of an interesting book on pakistan..Oh my my…. they do not want music in Lahore u niversity…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/books/playing-with-fire-pamela-constable-on-pakistan-review.html

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  • ANIL

    Deep distrust in politicians BECAUSE politicians, once in power they take it for granted and start:
    1) using the public as business commodity or at best cheating them whenever they get a chance to fulfill their personal desire.
    Public/Politician is a two way street: you can’t expect people to just vote them in power then become subservient to them as the ruling party will like them to be (quoting they got the numbers!). Second reason public don’t trust them is:
    2) the politicians don’t deliver their service in time, don’t act in time and start looking for all the excuses why they rather should not look after the way public want them to. Thus, arising suspicion in the mind of the people, giving birth to all kinds of speculations (refer to all the blogs for a start even in your paper).
    Compare this with any other truly democratic country. There is very little gap between the ruler and the ruled and you will rarely find any of above two issues ever surfacing and going beyond control. Faster you can act on these issues better you are as democracy. Just having a big number can thus be a burden on democracy instead of a strength of democracy depending on how the politicians behave and the public responds to them.

    Good luck to your advice of burying the hatchet, which to my mind will never work if left on advice only. Ask the politicians to create the condition and see HOW IT SIMPLY VANISHES.
    And don’t forget to act in time – a stich in time saves nine (including the hatchet).

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  • Candor

    There should be ZERO tolerance on corruption and irresponsibility and action should be lightening to send a message of ZERO tolerance for such misdeeds. However, Congress and BJP both acted slowly though BJP has amended its misdeed on Yeddy but hope new government will proceed to prosecute Yeddy as well in Karnataka if something is really incriminating against him.

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  • Sanjiv

    It is extremely sad that the ‘line in the sand’ that the PM and SG have drawn is that there can be discussion on any subject other than corruption of which the Congress is the biggest beneficiary. This even at the expense of the country being flushed down the toilet. It is about time also the the World Bank twins, Manmohan Singh and Montek Singh Ahluwalia are dumped. All we have to look forward to is being ruled by MPs who cannot get elected ruling from the Rajya Sabha; and this goes for the Congress, BJP and the CPM.

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  • Rakesh Katyal

    Vinod, Congress has become so arrogant with power that I doubt they will listen tot your genuine good advice. If there is honesty of intention there can be consensus. Unfortunately when the aim is loot of public funds you want to keep everyone else at Arms Length.

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  • Manohar_T

    @Vinodji

    As you are aware, this divide in the political arena has taken place on account of the fact that today it is all personality based and not issue based discourse.

    As you will recall, Ram Manohar Lohia, the firebrand socialist, was perhaps the bitterest critic of Pandit Nehru’s policies, but he never made personal attacks or ever doubted the integrity or intent of the then Prime Minister, nor did Pandit Nehru ever questioned the same of his critics. It was always fights over policies and issues. Ah! those were the days.

    Today, it is all X is this, Y is that and so on. What will it take to the current political leaders to revert back debate and fight on issues and concerns of the people? Any solutions?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Why go far ? Look at the interactions in this blog itself. Short-circuiting a discussion with name calling is so much evident here ! Just amongst 15 brilliant educated people ! What to expect amongst large populace ?

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Prabhat

    How very true.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Manohar,

    It is a romantic idea that the earlier parliamentary leaders were all doing issue based talk and it is only now things have degenerated into attacks personalities. Ram Manohar Lohia criticised Nehru for spending Rs10000/- per month on his dogs when a factory worker in Mumbai was getting Rs50/-only per month. But, yes, the criticisms were muted, more as jokes and very less as hurting somebody’s senses.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    You are entitled to think whatever – romantic or not. .

    IMO, the quality of parliamentarians in the earlier Lok Sabhas (50s and 60s) was much better than what we have today. The rot started in the 70s and Indira Gandhi was one of the main culprits (merit and quality replaced by loyalty and other considerations).

    I have not heard or read about the expenses on dogs. If true and knowing the type of person he was, the money was surely not the tax-payer’s.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    I agree with you without any reservation about the quality of our present day MPs.

    Indira Gandhi never gave any thought to consequences once she set her mind to anything. Even the war of 1971 was fought without a military probability of the US and China getting involved on the side of Pakistan, being considered. She also wanted the judiciary to be a committed one just as she wanted and had , the bureaucracy.

    As for Nehru’s dogs, it is on Lokasabha records. If Nehru spent his own money on the dogs, I would think that Lohia wouldn’t have levelled such serious charge against, of all persons, Nehru.

    Manohar_T Reply:

    BVS

    “As for Nehru’s dogs, it is on Lokasabha records. If Nehru spent his own money on the dogs, I would think that Lohia wouldn’t have levelled such serious charge against, of all persons, Nehru.”

    You should do some simple research yourself. In those days the civil servants (IAS) used to draw salaries of around Rs 3500/ per month. Doesn’t the figure Rs 10000 (today’s value about Rs 14 lacs) per month seem unrealistic? I think Lohia may exaggerated the figure to highlight the point he was raising.

    When cornered, you seem to take recourse to what others say or report – like you said somewhere else -’ Oh!, I was only reporting what so and so newspaper or some person said without applying your mind to see if it could authentic or plausible.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Mnaohar,

    first, you said, Nehru might have spent from his own sources, on his dogs.

    Now after two days, you are trying to distance-shoot the messenger!

    Why, at that time, didn’t it strike you, as a highly exaggerated figure? You took two days to make your own calculations, even after I had given you a comparative figure of wages of a factory worker (Rs50/- in mumbai)!

    In those days, the salary of a government servant in the rank of a secretary (top departmental civil servant) was around Rs.1000/- and not 3500/-as you are guessing.

    Manohar, please do some research your own self too, if you want to avoid being cornered like now!!!!!

    Manohar_T Reply:

    BVS

    Better late than never. I do not think I am cornered. If I I make a mistake or an error of judgment, I would admit, stand to be corrected and not go around in circles to justify my earlier argument. I have never claimed to be know all. Cannot say the same about you – does not look like.

    Rs 1000 or Rs 3500 – what difference does it make – the point is Rs 10000 is more than either figure. Got it mate. I would still maintain – it surely must have been form his own pocket. You not wish to believe it – do not.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Manohar T
    The politicians have to mend their ways for their own survival. They perish if they don’t.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    @Vinodji

    Agree that they have to mend their ways. To me there is no sign that they would do it themselves. I am still looking for solutions.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    There is said to be a special, Xray goggles, wearing which one can see another person in his/her birthday suit.

    I believe Vinod Sharma was wearing the political equivalent of one such goggles, seeing through which, he sees both India and Pakistan as equal or similar. What b.ull s.hit!

    Even a school boy in Pakistan by now knows that India is so vastly, so spectacularly different from his own ********** country. How then our problems can be equal?

    We in South India, extensively use kadi-pattha in almost all our food preparations. It adds to the flavour of the dish, but after its use, we throw the kadi-pattha away.

    MMS is being treated by the congress party as kadi-pattha, now that he has served the purpose, he is being discarded, saying that people want Rahul Gandhi as prime minister! What an ungrateful, forgetting party!!!!!!!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    I meant g.od d.amned

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    If you are ready to throw Advani away who gave BJP all the identity that it has, what to talk of MMS ? At some point people have to move on. I have a feeling he will be there half way through the next term.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    if Manmohan Singh is being eased out because he cannot perform his duties, onerous and heavy on the person’s body and mind as they are, it is something one can understand. But if he is being discharged to make way for the green horn yuvraj, it amounts to practising realpolitic in utter disregard of MMS’s sensitivities.

    In the post-congress’s single party era, several persons of standing as well as some who lacked any standing were chosen as PMs, without regard to the age of the person chosen. Morarji Desai was 82 when he became PM. DeveGowda, Gujral, Chandrashekhar-all became PMs because of totally unplanned, fortuitous circumstances and due to manipulations by state chieftains of regional parties like Laloo, Moopanar, Naidu etc.

    Therefore, what 2014 holds for the new parliament and who will be thrown up for the PM’s job is a very interesting topic for academic discussions.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I have read about the polls. I have a feeling everybody recognises the fact that India has to consolidate its economic strength before going for massive social reforms and military assertions. As the luck would have it, we have MMS leading the country at this juncture. Since economic gain is the major objective, the Congress would like to keep him at the helm. Or, possibly, Pranab or Chidambaram might get a surprise chance.

    Though it’s been a long time since a Gandhi became a PM, 3 consecutive terms without a Gandhi would break that dynasty taboo. [ Though, people will say the same thing even a Gandhi comes back after a gap of 25 years !]

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Do you think Rahul would pitch himself for the job, given that he has certain preferances which may not be acceptable to the people of India ? :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    In 2011, you are still acting coy !

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    SHENOY, I respect your sentiments, but VINOD SHARMA has not said that the problems of India and Pak are EQUAL.
    In fact, he has taken a swipe at Congress- “”"But for that, the UPA will have to provide a semblance of rule that’s at once honest, sensitive and creative”"”

    also, he has clearly underlined the terrible state of Pak rogue caliphate- “”"consequences for Pakistan ……………and in the worst case, even a fundamentalist takeover of the country where the government’s writ does not run in vast swathes held by feudal lords, tribal chieftains and terror contingents.”"”

    things are so bad in pakistan we even have a pakistani on this blog – who is desperate to blog here- OYE SOMEONE TELL ME, IF LAHORI RAVI BLOGS HERE FOR 5 YEARS DOES HE GET A INDIAN PASSPORT
    hehe

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I agree with your point. What I would have liked is that India’s problems are India’s own and let us not compare them to Pakistan and Nepal, since they do not fall in the domain of our external affairs.

    As for the jihadi, let us agree with Vijay Kumar and leave it behind as a bad dream.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Balwinder

    Ravi’s issue has been well settled in the last blog. The moment you mention him, he is bound to come here and create a mess again.

    So let us for the time being do balle balle… and discuss the issue tossed up by Vinodji :D

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  • vijay kumar

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    ~ :D :D ~ LET US NOT FORGET MMS WHICH RAHUL, MANI, AND DIGVINASH WANT US TO ~ :D ~~
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    The year 1991 : A new Prime Minster called P V Narasimha Rao, who was a break from the Nehru dynasty chose a new Finance Minister– Manmohan SIngh, a soft spoken, shy economist. Possibly under pressure from the IMF.

    But it turned out to be a fantastic combination. Rao was possibly crafty too, but intelligent enough to broadly guide policy decisions– like crafting a new foreign policy and a economic policy which was good for India and not for China. A huge break from the sycophantic, dynastic Congress traditions.

    Manmohan, despite being a bureaucrat was smart enough to see the writing on the wall that socialism and communism was dead and the entrprenuerial skills of the Indians had to be bolstered. He got in foreign capital, used the IMF funds for bolstering India and opened the doors of the economy and promoted exports– again against the Congress and socialist slogans Congressmen were trained like pavlovian dogs to bark.

    And India flourished.

    At hindsight, all this sounds easy. But remember, that many countries which went down this road failed. Like Pakistan and South American countries.

    All this was working well till…

    Till Rahul, mani Aiyar and Digvinash SIngh came on the scene.

    Mani Silencer AIyar, like a jealous scorned wife went from channel to channel, shouting and whispering– wscam, scam , scam …

    Digvinash, to promote Rahul undercut the authority of MMS, making him look listless, slow, dheela…

    SO unless these three are removed… I dont see the image of the COngress improving. They won’t go from the scene.

    And the COngress will keep losing goodwill all the way…. :D :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    I think we should not compare ourselves with Pakistan in anyway. Okay, at the time of the partition, it was all about India and Pakistan. And maybe the Americans and the Europeans alwasy talked about parity. But…

    We have to grow out of the mindset. We are bigger, our society is democractic, despite the tendency of the politicans to grab the seats for their children and we remain secular, despite the attempts by trolls like Digvijay to divide society for votebanks.

    So why should we compare ourselves to a failed nation which only deserves to be broken and dismantled? :D

    At anouther level, the downgrading of the US by rating agencies, sends a signal and an opportunity. That there is room for ascending. We could tie up with the US to become the policeman of Asia, for starters. :D

    And the London riots tell us another story. That there is no point in chestthumping about your past glory 200 years back.

    As I see the looters, I silently pray that none of the Brown Asians who claim they are superior because they are close to the whities are among the looters. And the lesson is there is no point in neglecting your families and children in the name of sexual emancipation and a free society so that they become looters. Somehow these trolls on London roads remind me of looters on the roads of Delhi in 1984….

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    shan Reply:

    Only cretins living in cloud cuckoo land is able to make the statements as made by the haryana builder . India’s population is 1.2 BILLILION , YES BILLION , YES BILLION , YESBILLION , and LAND IS NOT GOING TO EXPAND DUE TO SOME CALCULATIONS MADE BY STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. it is one third the size of USA, EVERY YEAR INDIA IS ADDING TWO CRORE MOUTH TO FEED.
    Backhander to govt officials in haryana is one thing RATIONAL ANALYSIS IS ANOTHER

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    very well said.

    The US-UK combine has for fifty years made us share a bed with Pakistan, thereby hurting us psychologically, making us a self-doubting nation. Nehru’s socialism and Indira’s stateism made the country an economic cripple and financial beggar, begging for food, clothes, money (IMF and World Bank). Because of our inability to see where our interests lie, we formed a useless, ego-boosting club of beggar nations called non-alignment and still we had to align with Russia for support in the UN for our Kashmir fiasco. And we had to pay heavily for the junk technology the USSR imposed on us.

    Therefore, having got rid of most of these shackles, if people still use the hyphen between the two nations, it is unpardonable. Interestingly, it is only Mani silencer Aiyar who talks about non-alignment!

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  • Nitin Mathur

    Congrats Vinodji on a forward looking mature article. Your thoughts are sincere. While one hopes that Manmohan Singhji will probably reach out to CPM, as picked up by you and in line with news item in HT on 9th Aug 2011, the issue is really with BJP. Is BJP under Advani mature enough to respond beyond rabble-rousing and Question Hour disrupting mode of operation? Already Advani and Gadkari have called upon services of orator Uma Bharti in the line up to 2012: the year of UP elections. BJP would love to show that they are clean once they have removed BSY. My submission at this point is working closely with UPA in National interest may not suit the myopic BJP UP agenda where the fight is with BSP. Your advice to UPA is timely and sagacious and in the best interests so that a positive atmosphere is created and new projects are undertaken. As you have rightly pointed out the negative TV media coverage and Scam orientation has made all decision making in UPA-II come to a literal stand still. As Congress needs BJP numbers to pass any bill in LS and RS working together appears a mature option. For his gain we all saw, Advani made Joshi look a joke in PAC with his demand for JPC. The big question is will Lal Krishna Advani who allows his MPs to throw cash in Parliament when Trust Motion is debated or who claims that as Home Minister he was not aware that his minister colleague was carrying militants released from Indian Jails to Kandahar, be mature enough to work in national interest and that too with a “weak PM” who he chose to hit below the belt in last elections.

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    ishwar Reply:

    And the point of this boring story is !!!!

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    The point of this boring story is that the congressmen and their supporters, particularly on this blog, (including our friend, Vinod Sharma), in their desperation, have begun to see mirages and taking them to be real.

    Even if we take Mr. Mathur’s simplistic story to have some basis, how will the BJP fight the ensuing UP election? As an alliance partner? or as a friendly enemy? Or will it, as these desperate people tend to believe, prefer to sit out, like Tendulkar sometimes does?

    But, unwittingly, these worried supporters have conceded that the experiment of dual seats of power has failed miserably and the UPA II has failed spectacularly on all fronts.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Ishwar

    One needs intelligence and an open mind to understand what Nitin has written. It is as simple as that.

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  • Jai Khosla

    We must not forget that it was Muslims in what is now India that were most passionate and most strident about getting an Islamic homeland for themselves. They promised the non-Muslims of India that they would go to Pakistan. They have yet to keep their promise.

    An Islamic homeland consisting of West and East Pakistan was created but after some in 1951 Nehru and Liaqat signed a pact banning further migration of Muslims and non-Muslims to either country. But by this time most non-Muslims in Pakistan had left, been killed or had been forced to convert to Islam.

    The Muslims on the Indian side got cold feet and the Pact gave them an excuse not to go. They have been a thorn in the side of India ever since.

    Muslims can never co-exist with non-Muslims and it is time that Muslims keep their word and go to either Pakistan or to Bangladesh. We will gladly accommodate all non-Muslims from those two countries so long as they are not last minute converts to a non-Muslim faith anxious to get into India.

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  • Ashish

    I continue to be amazed at the faith people have on MMS coming good- either with the economy or with general governance or with fixing responsibilities and punishing the guilty for the plethora of scams that have besieged us in the recent past, or in restoring Indian rule over 1/3rd of the country ruled by insurgents..
    or, indeed with ensuring that the fruits of development reach the poor and we implement the laws in our statutes.
    Where is the vision? Did MMS ever have a vision? Was he expected to? As the perpetual no 2 where Peter’s Principle caught up with him?
    If it needs an economist to cure the country of economic ills, perhaps the Americans are listening. Or the Greek or Portuguese or German or Japanese… heck, even the Chinese.
    The tallest PMs in recent memory have been PVNR and ABV. It’s about having a vision, aligning the team behind the vision, prioritizing the tasks and ruthlessly executing them and selling the gains and pains to the people.
    Honestly, no matter what your political leanings are: do you see MMS measure up?

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Ashish,

    while MMS is on his way out, how about demanding he select PVNR & ABV as joint winners of a Bharat Ratna?

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Shenoy,
    well, it’s a shame that ABV, for all that he did for the country has just a winter sports centre 20 KMs further up from Manali towards Rohtang named after him. Poor PVNR. His memory is as much revered within Congress as Carly Fiorina is within HP :D

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  • Jai Khosla

    What India must do is to do what Germany did when it first became a country in 1800s, about 1862 or so. Bismarck made health care available to all for free paid from taxes. That gave a reason for all the residents of th new country something they could use by becoming Germans.

    A German could always find food, a small roof over his head with some effort but when he got sick he was totally dependent on medical personnel who were often unaffordable. That is when the government stepped in. the rest is history.

    Let us not worry about our nabors. We have too many problems on our plate. Fortunately our economy is far ahead of our nabors’. In a few years we will be ahed of all except perhaps China, and even with China I am of the opinion that we will overtake them because we are a free thinking society and they are not.

    Pakistan is like a diseased body that after some amount of disease is beyond repair. I have yet to meet a Sindhi, a Baluchi or a Pashtun from Pakistan who identifies with Pakistan. It is time to tell Pakistan to let Balochistan, Sindhudesh and NWFP go free.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ashish

    Though I would rate both ABV and PVR very high, as compared to the other PM’s, I still feel that MMS has been stifled by the very people he counted on for support.

    He knows he is there not because of a mass political base, but he was acceptable to most of the UPA allies.

    he is too decent to protest at the goings on of Rahul and Digivijay who are slieghitng him at very pretext. While the Rajmata feels that her son is good enought to govern India.

    I think MMS should grow his wings and fly. If he turns around at Divinash and Rahul and Barks… both of them will go scampering into the loo…

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar,
    decency is debatable- you and I might call him decent, some others might not. Notice I make no claims of decency for either PVNR or ABV. I do not mind my PM being a Machiavelli and Chanakya rolled into one.
    Politics is ruthless business- you have to deliver. You have to push and shove and if you are the PM, you have to lead.
    I am sure most Americans never thought of Obama, even in the euphoric early days of his Presidency as a “nice guy”- they know he cut his political teeth in Chicago. He can play as mean and hard as anyone. And, hey- that’s expected.
    Deliver; or perish.
    Want a nice guy? How about my grandpa?

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Ashish,

    “” Want a nice guy? How about my grandpa? “”

    Brilliant.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ashish

    “Want a nice guy? How about my grandpa?”

    That really did make me smile. I guess you are right. You know what my grandpa told me?

    When all hell broke out in Pakistan once partition was announced and mobs were baying for blood, he had seen friends push the other out, just to get into the train which would get them to India. Sharafat. surely went for a toss.

    But, it does’nt mean nice guys should get washed into the rain.

    MMS just has to open his mouth at the trolls ib the COngress; at the corrupt and the incompetent. And all of India will stand besides him. Already Digivijay– like deemak– has started destroying his legacy which is huge. Believe me, in case MMS, just gives a fullthroated speech and snap back at Rahula and his sycophanitc brigade, and he wont look weak at all.

    This is probably the last phase of his PrimeMinstership. He would well be remembered by India, in case he just takes decisions which are right for India.

    If I were him I would do that !

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    HT showing a video where Balochis are protesting in front of US embassy/ consulate in London asking openly for liberation from pakistan. This appear promising. India should provide all DIPLOMATIC AND MORAL help to them. If US start working on this in right earnest, pakistan will not be able to resist it. Removal of Gwadar port, from the possession of pakistan, will reduce pakistan’s importance considerably for China. Karachi will not be able to handle the load. US and world and Afghanistan will have access to each other, without involving pakistan. All potential goodies from central asia will be available to world, without pakistan, blackmailing world for its geographical advantage. I think, even Arabs and Iran will support this.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay,
    are you a nice guy? :-D Just kidding!
    Sure, you would do it. Because, you know what? You are a normal guy with some spine.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ AShish

    I am a nice guy…

    Just Kidding :)

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  • Gopi Thomas

    About Lohia, Nehru, Rajaji etc — they were all colossus vs the pygmies now.

    And the pygmies are also crooks, murderers, rapists…

    I mentioned about “dharma chyuthi” (the destruction/end of Dharma) in the last blog. All elements here are accelerating that.

    We are told about an ancient god king who subjected his wife to “agni parreksha” to be responsive to his subjects. Although she was a feminist, she also felt she should go trough that; and after that she left Him.

    So, what types of leaders and “King” we have now… I read that a large percentage (it may be even close to 50%) of all MLA/MPs are in some court case or other; many are in muirder/rape cases, and of course many in financial misdeeds.

    Modern Ramas will ask the subjects to go through an Agni pareeksha to prove that they are pristine.

    Dharma chyuthi is accelerated when the kings move the agents of Dharma. AK Antony, when he was the CM of kerala, severely criticized minorities when Marad killings happened. He said minorities use all their special privileges not for their upliftment but to do deliberate harm to the majority who is always teaching out and compromising. And guess what happened; he had to resign!

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Gopi

    Leaders are formed based on the demands of the time.

    The Independence and the immediate post independence movement attracted driven, idealistic people.

    I am sure we will see similar rise of “true” leaders if serious external threats develop, or serious internal problems (widespread famine etc) devlop..

    We will have to do with ordinary “mortals” in lull times. Hopefully, it can be a little better than “ordinary”.

    I believe the major corruption issues, price rise, violence against women etc will snowball into a situation where a capable leader will emerge. Hazare, Ramdev etc are the wavves, the early indicators.

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  • pankaj#1

    Leftist krishna Aiyar has praised Modi for his work for girl education in glowing terms. Now from rightists, Muslims(Vastanvi) and leftists, modi has wrested admiration for his work. When, Sonia is going to praise him? Never, because he is one big potential candidate for PM’s post.

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Pankaj

    Left, right, centre all want dvelopment, upliftment of people. Nobody in the present day India has done that as well as Modi.

    I am sure Mrs Gandhi must be thinking “if only we had one like that on our team!”

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  • shan

    @Ashish, back after a long time. I fully agree ACADEMIA and POLITICS are two different animal. Demagogue is not a professor.MMS is to me basicallu useless other than steering india well into americas orbit of influence.
    Now something the chattering class ponder on.
    The UK riots or specifically London Riots. This shows if it is that wide spread nothing a policeforce can do,
    for a population of say 100000 ,there are is guess twenty police officers(Here every policeman is called an officerSOMETHING INDIA CAN LEARN). Just like an choleraepidemic ,if 1000 people are affected you can treat them , if 100000is affected YOU CANNOT TREAT EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL, most will be untreated.
    Why I say this . Because this is what happened in gujrat. As much MODI was complicit , he did not realise it willgo out of hand , and as much people like to blame every ill under the sun to police ,I think police forces were simply overwhelmed by the enormity of the problem
    ANOTHER THING INDIAN POLITICIANS CAN LEARN.
    David Milliband ,the labour leader whose vote bank is black and asians , DID NOT TRY TO SCORE POINT,but said they fully support the govt and the looters and thugs must be brought to justice.
    THOUGH IN THEIR HEART OF HEART THEY KNOW THE RECESSION HAS STARTED TO BITE HARD

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Shnan,
    what was the root cause of the riot? Is it unemployment/cut in govt spending? Or the killing of this one guy? (difficult to believe one killing issue will spread like this!) ,

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    shan Reply:

    @LMirza , THE UK POLICE IS BECOMING A DISGRACE, they have all high tech gadgets , like TAZER gun(look it up on the net) gun which delivers 100000volt for millisec or something.basically stuns.BLACKS HAVE A DEEP DEEP DEEP SUSPICION AND DISRESPECT FOR WHITE POLICE.,
    so they should have sent a black squad (if they can find one),also i can’t understand why they didn’t shoot at the leg.Also this TORY party is perceived by blacks as RSS is perceived by muslims.
    So the distrust is there ,and also they bungled , the high ranking police officer should have come on TV and the family and said “we will ge to the bottom and no police officer will be spared”.just words , but would have placated the situation ,but their arrogance inflamed the situation
    BUT BOTTOM LINE IS INFLATION, which on paper doesn’t look bad (less than india) , but that is because house prices are also included , and house market is in the pits.
    But there has CONSIDERABLE FOOD INFLATION,example marks and spencer prawn sandwich used to sell 1.20 pounds,then 1.40 ,and now 1.75. orange juice the basic ones used to sell in sainsbury 30 pence , now nothing less than a pound.
    the chicken price has gone off the roof.This is due to SPECULATING ON GRAIN used partly as chicken feed.INCREDIBLE SPECULATION AND HOARDING IS FREELY ALLOWED IN LONDON GLOBALCOMMODITY MARKET.
    AND GREATEST IS FUEL , it has increased 50% in less than one year.
    MANY OF THEM WERE SIMPLY LOOTERS , MOSTLY BLACKS SOME WHITE NO SOUTH ASIANS

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Shan,

    You have correctly anaylised the situation. I am just scared that this may snowball
    into something huge and riots may start in other countries also. This food inflation
    have rendered many people in a very hopless situation.

  • Jai Khosla

    To get politicians to behave we must pass constitutional amendments for term limits.

    No politician should be able to run for two consecutive terms. He/she would have to wait five years after his/her term expires before they run again.

    Also pay politicians highly but cancel all benefits such as health, pension or any other retirement benefits.

    Political offices should be for the purpose of serving the nation and not for enriching oneself.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ jai

    Good idea. Probably valid for Chief Minsters and Prime minsters. For other MP’s… may be not… as in case they were to pitch for the CM or PM’s seat they would require at least three terms ot come into the news….

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  • vijay kumar

    =============================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~~ LONDON RIOTS… WILL INDIAN MEDIA SHOUT … MODI… MODI… RAPE .. RAPE~~ :D :D ~~
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    The London riots are now being covered extensively covered by Indian media channels. But classic Pavlovian reaction some of our guys and babes could well be,

    “riots matlab Modi
    London mein woh hi…”

    Another issue I find interesting is that the South Asians are NOT involved. So has the famous British discipline and character finally been destroyed?

    I think some day, the west would discover that destroying their manufacturing and farming sectors has destroyed potential for employment. And destroying the family system for means children without parental control…

    Unfortunately for India, most states, except Gujurat are destroying the manufacturing sector thru bad policies and corruption…

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  • Mohan R

    Three days and riots have not stopped on the contrary riots have spread to other cities also.
    Is Modi the PM of UK ?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Mohan

    Modi is the cure for backache, headache and brainache as well as lack of logic for a lot of idiots in India…

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  • ishwar

    The standard of journalism in India keeps on surprising. As I thought, one certain Pankaj Vohra and Vir Sanghvi were the worst, the latest column of Sagarika Ghose (wife of who else but LORD Rajdeep Sardesai) has set another benchmark of gutter level write up under “Family Matters” published on 9th Aug in HT.

    Now it is a challenge for others to beat her in boot-li.ck.ing.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ishwar

    The very concept of family rule demoralises democracy. Unfortunately journalists dont have the big picture brain to see this. Instead they tend to line up for goodies, by worshipping families.

    But the world has changed. hosni Mubarak’s haalat and Gadaffi’s double khasta haalat should be a warning for a certain yuvraj. peopel will get tired of his talk of making light of the LeT threat very very fast….

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  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar

    In the last blog you posed a question….

    Thlught for the night. Do animals have a religion? Now obvioiusly God created them, in case you believe in religion.

    Now which religion do they follow?

    Here is my answer….

    I would say सांड is a Hindu, where as a बैल is a Muslim

    In ever way.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ravi

    While the answer is interesting, I would not be tempted to debate, in case I were told that the Saand is communal and the baael is secular… :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    As always that remains your choice, my limited objective was a pathetic attempt at humour.

    It obviously failed to douse the flames of suspicion.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    The question was asked to me by a 7 yr old kid. I dont have an answer. I was wondering whether it makes sense to other people. No intention to hurt relioigs feelings

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay kumar, should have asked me , for one thing in uk one can do is read as much you like,for there is a thing called library.is there a library in state of haryana let alone gurgaon.
    Religion AROSE OUT OF FEAR , first NATURE GODS, egyptian sun god RA , hindua gods like surya,varun etc.The Nordic gods are all nature gods like storm etc.
    Appparently first monotheistic god is PERSIAN AHURA MAZDA, which has relation ship with HINDU god ANAHITA.Jews had lots of god , but after coming with Persians who released them from babylonians after conquering babylonia, jews became attached one god that is WAHEY, apparently WAHEY is not a name but a sort of acronym which stands for” one that is so pure”
    Christianity and messiah and god was now to rescue the people from the hell hole that was planet earth. That world had only one theme OPPRESSION , thus, day of judgement.
    Oh I left out Romans , they also had goddess and god , MODELLED ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE structure of the time , thus KING OF GODS, QUEEN OF GODS.
    Hindus had incorporated several disease as the act of gods ,like manasha (popular in WB) god of small pox.
    As for islam /arabs , they had 360 gods ,the top of the pecking order was ALLAH who had three daughters. allah was most importatnt for obvious reasons , he was god of RAIN , what could be more important than rain in arabia.
    JAI KHOSLA has put forward a thesis in zia ’s blog worth reading.Though it sounds like zakir naik , because he says arabia was a vedic outpost, but his theory about worshipping footprints is definitely worth paying attention to.No two words , that footprints or wodden sandals (Khadam) is definitely worshipped by the followers of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.Incidentally he is only religious figure i profoundly admire.For he said ,you dont need temples ,dont need scriptures, all you need is to give unbridled love to fellow human beings.
    I am all for godding ,it definitely will calm your mind ,solace ,psychotheraphy ,and as a bonus you get all the festivals.As a downside ,you have WARS , oppression of women and the hegemony of PRIEST CLASS , and DEFINITELY SUPERSTITION

  • nirav

    @Vinod,

    This one you wrote is very dissapointing and quite pointless.
    It seems after Yeddy resigned you are out of arguements:)
    No word on sheila dikshit,Manmohan defending her and what about Raja naming him???????

    The other bad part is that you tied up India with Pak(which is a joke in the name of democracy) and Nepal which is monarchy+anarchy hybrid…………It almost sounds like Dogvijay singh who compared mumbai with karachi and BAghdad………………..

    Now abour Opposition and ruling party working together ….
    Working together for what ?????????share the loot in diiferent scams with congress………..
    DO you know UPA had looted the country more than even what britishers could manage in hundred years??????

    Forget Pak,nepal,Bangladesh …………for that matter forget saving even the tiger …Save india.
    Support Anna and whoever stand against the corrupt coterie and its jesters…….

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  • vijay kumar

    The big question

    Will Anna Hazare’s fast evoke the same sort of response as last time??????????

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Anna Hazare is threatening to go on a fast
    But the government says ‘not so fast’,
    says, ’see, what happened in the past,
    for such anashan vrit, you are not cast,
    the whole duration you may not last
    the fast may end up with the flag flying half mast’,
    But, Anna says, ‘my supporters’ number is vast,
    come what may, Fast I will and I will fast’.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat and Vinod SHarma

    Any comments please ?

    “Like Yeddyurappa was asked to step down after my mining scam report, Sheila Dikshit too should be asked to go,” says former Karnataka Lokayukta Justice Hegde. The Delhi Chief Minister has been faulted in the government’s auditor report on Commonwealth Games.

    Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/santosh-hegde-if-yeddyurappa-can-go-why-not-sheila/207415&cp

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Sheila’s fevicol is stronger than Yeddy’s gondh.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    (;

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I do not think cases are same ( based on the inputs so far ).

    As a host city, Shiela had every right to show case Delhi in its best form to the World. So a little excess in street-scaping is no big deal. The city was well-lit during CWG. This not only showcased the city in good form, it surely contributed to the terror-event-less game in the city. CAG can not fathom these intangible benefits. These things have no place in their accounting journals.

    Knowing the mind set of people in general in Delhi, one could not have beautified the streets 3 months in advance and expect people to maintain the beauty of the streets. Remember, people ( senior Govt. officials ) were caught stealing flower pots and light fittings and transporting them in car. That’s Delhi for you. So one had to delay the street scaping towards the end of the preparation and when general security was in place. This could have made street-scaping a little more expensive. Ofcourse, our so called professional consulting engineers like you must have given inflated estimates to the Govt. about street-scaping. The lower level officials made tons of money from the suppliers. It was a gold rush for low-level officals who were in direct supervision of the projects.

    In case of Karnataka, Yeddi had direct complicity. For him next 6 months break is like a paid holiday. He is just inching to come back.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    here is a small ‘poem’ to both.

    Sheila’ s corruption makes Yeddy look like a saint
    His exit has given the BJP a fresh coat of paint
    The congress tries its best to erase Sheila’s taint
    because, if asked to resign, she may faint.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    “And for writing this you will be someone’s object of hate “

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Sheila has not fainted in her 3 terms. Yeddi surely did in 3 years.

    [ Gadhakari fainted in 15 minutes in Mumbai heat...I doubt he would survive 3 minutes in Delhi heat !]

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    Sheila knows only how to feint.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I am surprised CAG has not rapped Shiela taking help of Lalit Suri in fixing the games village at the last minute !

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    In another time, she would have resigned.

    Lal Bhadur Shastri resigned whn there was a train accident (he should not have; but those were the times when moral leaders personally felt responsibility)

    There was a man who spent his life for freedom tending to the victims of religious strife in naokhalli on tht Aug 15th.

    Now we have Sheila, Yeddy (if I were BJP, I will not take any pride in Yeddy resigned but Sheila did not!) . Every tainted peron is telling why he/she should not resign. Others are helping them to stay.

    The state chief minister here, OOmen Chandy, has been hit wth a high court report that he is involved in the “palm oil” case when he was the Finance minister in an earlier ministry. Now, he seems to be a clean man, and the palm oil case was only few lakhs, and many were involved. Now with this report out, he should have resigned. Even Ak Antony said it is OK for Chandy to continue as CM, theonly thing he has to do is to move the vigilance dpt under somebody else!

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  • Mohan R

    How much should it cost to build a mosque ?

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_gulf-nri-s-to-build-india-s-biggest-mosque-in-kerala_1574483

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Mohan

    Yes, the biggest mosque in India is planned in Kozhikode ..(and it is quitepossible that kerala Govt may contribute because Muslim league is a key part of the UPA (heer aclled UDF)!)

    The mosque is sponsored by the leader of one Sunni sect Kanthapurm AP Abobaker Musaliyar — his faction is called “AP” faction, and is quite extreme. There was a fmous case few yer ago when a progressive Maulavi (Chekannur Maulavi) was killed for his progressive views – wmens education, relationship with non-Muslims, Indiannes etc – His body has not yet been located; CBI did the inquiry, seveal peopel ahve ben punished, all leadig to Kanthapuram Musaliyar.
    Kanthapuram is also involved in many controbversies, such as his open insult to “Lord Ganesh” in a speech , his reul to lightthe tditional lamp in a function et.c (that is scular foru)

    Kanthapuram is also accused for getting money from Saudi Arabia Wahabi groups.

    There is a lot of discussion in the paprs here that lot of money is coming illegally from Saudi Arabia, and not through contributions of gulf malayali muslims.

    There are lot of Muslims hereinKerala who dnot subscribe to his views. Hisgroup is behind many Muslims on Muslims killings , killing of Muslims who “stray from the path” , falling prey to the deabte “who is the pure Muslim”

    Kerala, God’s own land, will become the next Kashmir (not because of this mosque)..
    Our leaders, for vote bank politics wil let it happen. And they will have comissions when things are totally out of control.

    The land where Adi Sankara was born.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Mr. Thomas,

    Tks for the interesting info. And they claim that they are poor in India.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    very disturbing news. Wish the centre and the state government had one law for all.

    UNFORTUNATELY THE CONGRESS has a short term view of everything…

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  • Praveen Saxena

    From the days of ” Amit Shah Amit Shah ” …., the substance, tone and tenor of Mr Vinod’s posts are slowly moving from naked stone pelting aggression towards the Opposition to , concilliation in the interest of nation, making peace, extending co-operation for governance of the country… . Some of us have always felt that Mr Sharma , easily falls victim to the falsehood and prevarications of those he seeks to protect and defend or even admire . We tried to caution him , but his infatuations proved much too strong.
    I recall that he wrote a strong post in favour of Sunil Gavaskar, and had to face his admonishment when I pointed out some of his misdemeanors. But today some other unsavoury things , more serious, have been revealed about Gavaskar. And dittoo Kapil Sibbal….The so called ” best lawyer politician “is now coming across as a great defender or even partner of the vested interests who are fighting tooth and nail to maintain the status quo with regard to corruption in the ountry. We are confident that it is not going to be long when he gets over his reluctance and writes a more honest and forthright post , voicing the pain and agony of the common man against the blatant loot and plunder by the UPA , the most corrupt government since independence.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    you may, not only take the horse to the water, but with a little prodding, may even succeed in making it drink the water.

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  • shan

    @Vijay haryana kumar, this is what prabhat had written
    Remember, people ( senior Govt. officials ) were caught stealing flower pots and light fittings and transporting them in car. That’s Delhi for you.
    That’s looking up into the eyes of goras for you(swabhimaan)

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    As the economy of britain flops
    In London many a suited booted looted the shops

    What moral authority will the goras claim
    Will they to migrants put the blame?

    When the truth is ovious to all
    Humpty Dumpty has had a great fall !! :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    What a fitting reposte to the fake gora, Shaan Nirad Babu!

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    shan Reply:

    What a obidient poodle to a hera phera construction business guy. Bank manger and onstruction business ,the synbiosis , birds of feather , flock together

  • pankaj#1

    @ everybody;
    recently had gone to Zia’s blog. What mess it is. Could not stay there even for five minutes. Thanks to Vinod, this blog is still clean.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    Vinodji had the good sense to expel the T.urd Tajender, much against the wishes of his supporters, fake Ravi, Prabhat and Mahesh.

    Tajender Zia ko hi mubarak ho.

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  • Rajiv

    How come the idiot Nirodh Shan Chodhuri still around here ? I thought he was rioting in London , pelting stones. I think India should offer to send Indian peace keeping force to England to quesll these rioters.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Stop This BS. Challenge Shan’s analysis if you have what it takes to discuss adversarial positions.
    - Mahesh.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ mahesh

    Obviously rajiv is reacting to what has been said to him earlier.

    I think we should end the self flagellation in front of the gora – s and keep believing that there is something inherently wrong in our character and being Indian.

    By the way, the sight of looters in London… did it not remind you of the lumpens in Delhi?

    Or do you believe that since they were British, it was all about Robin Hood and Social justice, while the same thing in India, means trolls and lumpens?

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    shan Reply:

    There is inherently wrrong with your character , YOU HAVE A TUNNEL VISION , you are a fake , a flag waver , but when it comes to the crunch ,wouldn’t part with a single paisa to help your fellow countrymen.A starter would be to PAY PROPER TAXES and not defrauding the revenue Dept or bribing officials to get the building plan through.You are an empty vessel sounds much

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Are you indirectly demanding somthing to keep quiet?/ :D

    Or are you that mosquito who follows me everywhere… who sees what I do? :D :D

    P.S : Both the remarks have been said in jest. In case you let loose a volley of vulagarities and abuse, you would be showing your teachers and family in poor light…

    rajiv Reply:

    @Mahesh,
    I do not argue with gas-bags and utter-idiots like Shan. Just a kick as I pass by is all such characters deserve. If you are still curious ask him about how ‘cowbelt’ and how being hit by a cow below his belt has reduced him to what he is.

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    shan Reply:

    I do not interact with buffons , and shallow characters , and empty cranium , beer belly kali topi , walrus moustache worshipers

    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajiv and Vijay Kumar,
    I guess you know about the option of ignoring comments , assuming you here to *discuss*.

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  • Rajiv

    Mr Vinod Sharma, does the cardinal mistake again and hasn’t learnt anything.
    Never compare a criminal entity like Pakistan, born out of communal opportunism of dishonest conman Jinnah and the bigotry of Taleban with India. Period.

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  • Mohan R

    A friend of mine has analyised the US debt situation in a very nice way.

    A naked and drunken woman boards a cab in New York. Driver of the cab a Gujju keeps
    staring at her and does not start the cab. Woman : haven’t you seen a naked woman before ?
    Gujju : Cool down, I am not staring at you. I am just wondering where you have kept the money to pay me?
    Moral : This is what most of the American banks failed to do . Assesing the repayment capacity
    before enjoying exposure .

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Brilliant.

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  • Prabhat

    @ Shenoy

    I never read tejender’s comments. The first one I tried, but could not go beyond the first sentence. So I just ignored.

    Tejender was like hanuman with fire on his tail, trying to set everything afire. But you are no less with your special talent in instigating people. You damage more to a group with your special techniques of instigating people with your sweet talk than Tejender could ever do. With Tejender, people raise their defence mechanism naturally. But with you, people tend to lower their guards and become victim of your devious divisive technique without realising that they are already part of your scheme. I am waiting for the day when you realise that you still could be worth of respect without few vices of yours !

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    Prabhat

    Bang on target.

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  • pankaj#1

    Prabhat;
    I am disappointed here. You are equating Tajinder with Shenoy??Surprised is a mild word here.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I am sorry to disappoint you. But some people refuse to take the hint. I had replied to shenoy before that Tejinder was beyond my comprehension. But he deliberately tried to put me along with Tejinder. Every now and then he has done something of that nature.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    you are wrong here. I have NOT put you “along” with Tajender. I have clearly mentioned that you were one of the ONLY three people here who pleaded for Tajender being given “more chances” to “reform” himself! Have you ever realised that Tajender is a hardened, pathological Hindu hater? Now you claim that you never read his posts. How, then, did you plead for his retention on this blog? If he was innocent of the accused traits, why did Vinodji feel it necessary to dipel him, while Zia doesn’t?

    That apart, your bracketing me with Tajender doesn’t nettle me like my showing you your own posts has done you.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    read e.xpel

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat being new here (may be on the invitation of Vinod) keeps siding with Ravi who sides with Tajender.
    So Prabhat is held guilty by association just like in the malegaon case investigation.

    I find it amusing why Prabhat’s likes (ravi et al) and dislikes (Shenoy et al) are so similar to Vinod.

    I have seen Vinod taking a backseat and Prabhat doing his work with able help from Manohar_T and ravi.

    It looks like this blog is becoming a war of opposing propaganda..manish tiwari vs ravi shankar type.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    A little bit of nok jhok is permissable in the blogs, as along as it does not go down to downright insult and obscenities !

    I am sure you and Shenoy may be on the opposite ends of the spectrum at times.

    But then even an elephant and a tiger ,manage to survive in the same jungle…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I am sorry if I sounded harsh, but I am not the one to start. I too have differed with you many times, but never had a reason to be impolite.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Now you are making me smile ! Well, you said that professional engineers like you would have given inflated estimates…

    I did’nt do ti Prabhat. As a policy never do…

    But yes it happens all over India and is happening right now also. Do you know that MP’s and MLA’s– including your pyaari COngress take upto 30% kickbacks of the funds they allot under MPLAD. And the exceptions have been Arun Shourie… a member of a party you of course love. :D

    And let me tell you a secret. We too were called for finishing part of the games Village. Running a small company with my partners, we have sort of developed a reputation for efficiency and quickwork.

    But one look at the Village in january of 2010, made me rush away from there at the speed of 100miles an hour. The work left was massive. My heart told me that the guys who were going to complete it would have
    to slog their balls out. And then finally the reward would come in terms of enquiires and CVC reports.

    And that is what is happening…

    Prabhat,,, we as Indians get in all the negatives before a big ticket project gets going. And frankly you need a bit of crook like lalit Modi or Kalmadi who can get things done from the government.

    Or you need God himself– that is Sreedharan…

    In case of the village, the land allotment had been delayed right till the end. Then the NGO’s had filed their cases. Then the main contractor EMAAR went bust becasue fo the Dubai downturn. And at each stage, the DDA and the government agancies kept ******** the regular contractors. … Huge kickbacks were demanded….

    A huge mess.

    My partners–now they are the hardworking guys, while I am the big picture guy who conducts the meeting, hammers the internet and gets the client– said, Vijay, life is cool, so even if you love this challenge of taking up part of this work– let us not, because they would be a huge enquiry later on, as unconventional decisons have to be taken, which will be questioned later…

    Yet I still salute the guys who stuck out and got the work comlpete

    So even if I hve to go against the flow of the river, I would still hand it to KALMADI and Shiela for getting things done. Otherwise…. only Mani Shankar Aiyar would have won….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Your Post :

    “…And frankly you need a bit of crook like lalit Modi or Kalmadi who can get things done from the government.

    Or you need God himself– that is Sreedharan……”

    It’s kind of difficult to admit, but you are so right.

    Think. It has to be a Kalmadi who could have BJP, Commom wealth Boss and Congress all saying “aye” to him ! The guy must be hugely persuasive!! And Lalit Modi ! There is more to come. He is not through as yet.

    I wish somebody was gracious enough to invite Mr Sreedharan to be an advisor to the OC. But then, could we miss a touch of flamboyance that we witnessed at CWG ? Would Mr Sreedharan have made CWG a little more functional game event with no dazzling shows ?

    CWG was a little chaos. But like all Indian fat weddings, it got everybody zapped!

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay/ Prabhat;
    again I will blow my trumpet here. I belong to a family, where an eminent doctor, stopped wearing suit and tie, because on a call for emergency, when he was getting ready, patient died, waiting for medical care. This doctor was from British Army, having shook hands with Rommel himself(of course as a prisioner) and it is said that his farewel from Wardha, was second only to Gandhiji’s.
    I have also worked at Sir Ganga Ram hospital, Delhi and Sir Ganga Ram of Lahore was a son of Chaprasi of chief Engineer at Rurkee, and when he sat in Chief Engineer’s chair, in his absence, and found out, was suitably rebuked. He took a vow, had one of the largest construction company of pre partition, Punjab and was honest to the core. He was also reknowned philanthropist.
    Remember a poem from Sohan lal Dwivedi, who wrote– hum ko aise yuvak chahiye—. So, inflated bills, forged medical certificates make me immensely sad.

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    rajiv Reply:

    @pankaj,
    Great account. Happy to know that.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay/Prabhat

    Both congeress/BJp are bad–or al the politican are bad..

    We have peoplelike Sridharan — there is an element of me proud of him as a malayali– but let us leave parochial pride (ay pride s fine if the basis is right)..there are many Sridharans.. let us build our nation…

    We have great people…the only thing we need is a political will//

    See what happened in Gujrat mlk revolytion//An earnst young man, just lijke sridharan, Dr Kurien goes to Gujrat, tells the farmers about new ways of Milk cultivation, and Amul gets formed..

    Look at mangement educatin — Ravi Mathai, whom Narayan Moorthy equated to our ancient Rishis, creates IIM, Ahmedabad..leads it like a Gurukul.. So what he is a Mathai?,

    we havev knowhow..we have people who want to do good for India. The only thing standing in the way is politicalw ill

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Kurian is a great soul who deserves a Bharat Ratna ahead of so many people…

    WIsh we remember him as among our best managers ever…

    Manohar_T Reply:

    Gopi and others

    The list of people, who have done wonders is pretty long. The important ingredient was that they were given autonomy and freedom to operate. Other than people mentioned by you and others, Dr. Homi Bhabha, Dr, Vikram Sarabhai and Sir M. Visvesvarayya are three names that come to mind immediately.

    Mohan R Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Very happy to read this . I am sure that still there are many such people around and
    are doing their bit in their own away.

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    sometimes one has to talk about oneself too. Fewer times one does, the better for the others., Still one should. I was working in the bank just beside the Moolchand Hospital during 1982-85 and used to know many doctors from the hospital.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you said, “But yes it happens all over India and is happening right now also. Do you know that MP’s and MLA’s– including your pyaari COngress take upto 30% kickbacks of the funds they allot under MPLAD.”

    I think that is OK. They are merely taking their (mis)handling charges.

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  • pankaj#1

    Gopi;
    Dr. Sankaran, I think he was a Malayali too, who did his Mch from UK in late 40s and was invited by Nehruji to set up Safdarjang hospital in new Delhi, was a pioneer orthopaedic surgeon. At age of 90, he was providing free consultation for difficult cases at St. Stephen hospital, new Delhi.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    pankaj

    Dr Sankaran is a famous orthopaedic surgeon, one of the pioneers in rehabilitative surgery in india.

    he is the founder of national inst of rehabilitation surgery at the suggestion of Indira Gandhi..

    Dr Sankaran is a Tamil Brahmin; do not know ifhe is from Palghat or Tamil Nadu proper

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  • Ashish

    I saw references to the Havelock Road Gurdwara being protected by local Sikhs against marauding mobs. I have seen Ravi allude to the same Gurdwara many times on this blog.
    Stay safe, Ravi.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Yes, Stay safe Ravi

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  • shan

    @Vijay kumar , so you were involved in building some flats for the CWG games.Well where did the PAN PHEEK(spit) splattered on walls come from. as to your comment
    Prabhat,,, we as Indians get in all the negatives before a big ticket project gets going. And frankly you need a bit of crook like lalit Modi or Kalmadi who can get things done from the government.
    NO YOU DONT, THIS ATTITUDE TOWARDS CORRUPTION,AND TOWARDS WOMEN, MOST PREVALENT IN THE “BELT” is the sole reason for india’s ills.
    How about the fact London Olympics 2012 preparation FINISHED ONE YEAR EARLIER, and now the sucker punch WITH 800 MILLION POUND LESS COST AND THUS SAVINGS TO THE TREASURY.

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  • Mohan R

    In Uk a Sikh TV channel is being praised over BBC and SKY news

    http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?730942

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  • Mohan R

    I was just now reading an article in Tribune a Pakistani news paper about the bomb blasts
    in which sadly 7 people died today. One of the reader has posted this :

    “”yawn… Hello express tribune… I thought this is a news website.. Some which happens everyday like having breakfast or dinner cannot be a news”"

    And our Mr. Sharma is comparing India with that country.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Miohan R
    I opened my comment with the following line on the blog
    “Three countries in South Asia are in the middle of political maelstroms for reasons unique to their polity.”
    So where is the comparison sir?

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  • Mahesh

    Pankaj,
    Recently some news had surfaced about U.S.M.L.E. restrictions being eased out for foreign doctors. Is that true ?
    Related reasoning went something like this…. with the USMLE eased out there will be more influx of “foreign doctors”, resulting competition will bring down the “personnel costs” and result in overall healthcare cost reduction. Please feel free to comment on this reasoning too.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Medical education is so very costly here that colleges are charging 60 to 80 thousand dollars in tution fees alone for initial four years. Paying pittance for next 4 years. Medicine, though satsfying and paying profession, demands rigrous training for long time, say 8-12 years. So either, people from rich family and only dedicated people go for this profession, unfortunately, less moneyed people are being, left behind, because of financial reasons. Further more, young people have innumerable avenues to earn good money, IT has also made a big change here, youngsters in their 20 and 30s becoming millionaires is a reality, people retiring in mid 40s are not unknown, hence, less people opting for medical profession from local population.
    After this preamble, aging population is putting more pressure on health services, and here comes the need for foreign doctors, Including Indian doctors. Indian doctors have a good name here, whether trained in US or trained in India. I do not know about restrictions being eased, as USMLE is required for US citizens as well. Foreign nationals have to clear ECFMG, I can send you a link for them if you so desire. Hope, I could make some sense.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Thanks for your response.
    These days in India, several un-aided medical colleges (offering Allopathy as well as “alternate medicine” such as Homeopathy , Ayurvedic) have come up. For Allopathy (MBBS course) if the grades are not great the course costs can be comparable to what you mentioned. Second aspect is , unlike in U.S. or Europe, the “small hospitals” far out-number the larger ones. The setup costs (facilities, rent, staff cost etc. ) provide the practitioners with every incentive escalate the costs. This probably is much different from U.S. where the new pass-outs find jobs in established facilities and are in no hurry to start on their own.
    Another difference is the medical insurance. India has much less medical insurance penetration than U.S.
    This said – my question is , what are the top two / three reasons you will assign to higher medical costs in U.S. ?
    A curious little personal anecdote here, during a early winter trip to U.S. I had the mis-fortune of picking up throat infection. Given the hopeless schedule, my only recourse was visiting ER on weekend. Guess what, the charges for the throat infection (which the examining physician claimed to be benign enough not requiring anti-biotics) turned out to be 450 USD. A similar treatment in India would barely cross Rs. 150.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I think you did not calculate correctly. I am talking about 60 to 80 thousand dollars x 4 years.It comes around 320000.00 dollars. In Indian currency, it will be more than 1.5 crores. last time info for Manipal, was 20 thousand dollars for full course.
    Anyway, It is high cost of insurance for doctors, Multitudes of litigations, Capitalist system, where demand and supply play a huge role, Old boys club mentality. General societal attitude of making maximum money out of a situation, Research and innovation burden ( which cost huge money) and such assorted reasons add to cost of health delievery. Even Sonia opted to go to America, though she does not have any source of Income(?), and living on Royalty from few books. Rest assured, it was not you alone, who had to shell out hefty money, any one, without insurance, may have to sell every thing just to cover hospital bill. No excuse. Innumerable instances, where people had to sell everything to just cover hospital bill. I my self had one such experience, where I was caught unaware. People some time bring few common antibiotics from India, just to cover such emergency, because. pharmacy will not fill / give anti biotics, without a prescription from doctor, and doctor may ask for some tests, just to cover their ***.

    shan Reply:

    @Mahesh , I passed the USMLE, was offered a job in Newyork, but coudn’t get VISA.catch 22 situation. if you are persistant you can get round it by getting hold of a alwyer who files on your in your behalf in NEW MEXICO.judges are easy to bribe there i am told.Anyway i lost interest.
    Recently attended a meeting of the surgical society. This is pure white anglosaxon and european creme dela creme , BIG GUN gathering. one professor one of them was DONALD TURNKEY.he gave a talk.His opening lines were AMERICAN HEATLH CARE SYSTEM IS BROKE.
    apparently population has increases by 100 million since the last medical college was opened.ADD TO THAT THE BURDEN OF AGING POPULATION.So who ever is there , makes exorbitant charges.
    his speciality is TRAUMA.he said you have to pay a neurosurgeon 4000 dollars to be ON CALL(that means standby for any emergency) for a night .still they cannot find enough people.
    So this easing is self interest. This is despite the fact 30% of AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.THUS OUTSIDE THE CATCHMENT

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Shan

    Now this is my first post addressed to you after a long time. And in case you choose to reply with a volley of abuse– I will reply with a volley of jokes… and well the war would be on :D

    But I think, despite claiming that you are a good reader, you misread my posting totally. I wrote that we NEVER got involved with finishing the flats because my partners judged that this could become a TRP game later on. That the time was short and the work to be done was huge and they would be unconventional decisons cutting bureaucratic paperwork, which would result in shouts of scam scam later on.

    And that has happened…

    The “pan spots” you are talking about are not huge issue. It was just the TV channels looking to shout rape .. rape… loot loot for getting TRP’s. It happens at all construction sites– because indian workers, especially from Bengal love to chew pan. The village had not been occupied then. The cleaning had still to be done. :D

    When your country is in scrutiny, you need to put your best foot forward. Well, because of our old complexes that only “goras’ can oragnise these things, we tend to look for approval from them, almost as if to say, “Sir… this is my homework… will you give me good marks.?”

    By the way if you compare the village London will put up for the Olympics, India’s CWG village would be grander, more lavish and better. But then, of course the UK press would bat for the country, not for the TRP ratings and scandals…

    I think you need to change the way you address your fellow bloggers and look at Indians. If you call me wanker… I can well call you shan the muthal, as I am a HIndi speaking cowbelt guy :D But I won’t call you Shan Muthal, since this will lower the level of debate here. I Promise.

    If you say Indians are willing to sell their mother to get a job. You and a few people may find it funny. But I dont know anybody in my circle, who would… :D :D

    Don’t cheapen your self image, is my advise. There may be a million things wrong in your country. But reform surely comes in case you start thinking this is my standard and this is what I will achieve. not by belittling yourself… and your country.

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar , how uncannily similar arguments emanate from across the border. Dont run down islam , quoran aND pakistan , DO NOT CRITICISE, DEFEND EVERY INCH , PROUD ABOUT EVERY WORD WRITTEN IN QUORAN.
    Thank goodness there was a state called bengal still part of India , where lived a gentleman called RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY. Here is a quote from a book on rammohan roy

    His program of religious reform also led him to embrace social reforms. His alert mind perceived that without knowledge of the fundamentals of modern sciences Indians cannot participate in the social transition from the medieval to the modern. To achieve modernization, therefore, grounding in Western systems of thought was Absolutely essential. To Victor Jacquemont he confessed that India requires many more years of English domination so that she might not have many things to lose while she is reclaiming her political independence
    THANK GOODNESS FOR RAMMOHAN ROY , ELSE VIJAY KUMAR ,VINOD SHARMA WOULD BE PLOUGHING THE FIELDS AND GRACING KHAP PANCHAYAT , AND NOT BLOGGING ON HT

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Eureka !! Shan has finally revealed the reson why you are in the media and not tending to cows… :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    And Shaan Nirad Babu would be cleaning the dirty clothes in a shabby Calcutta hospital than throwing dirty clothes in the bi as a doctor (!) now!

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Everyone

    Raja Ram MOhan Roy’s work to reform HInduism and promote widow remarriage as well as ban sati was commendable. He was the first guy to point out that the East India company was milking India by 3 million pounds each year that too in the 19th century.

    However his legacy belogns to all of India. And by the way he ahd a Walrus Mouustache… much lke the reformer… like Lala Lajpat rai…

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  • vijay kumar

    =============================================================================
    :D :D ~ MORE CWG MASALA. HT, NDTV AND CNN-IBN ALSO HAD LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS~ :D
    =============================================================================

    Everyone especailly Prabhat and Vinod Sharmaji should read the Mail Today. It quotes the Shunglu committee and the CAG of slamming the CWG for giving media contracts to the HIndustan Times, NDTV and CNN-IBN in an unfair and arbitary manner. :D

    HIndustan Times has been slammed for putting up a badly designed website which even listed South Korea and US as participants; NDTV and CNN-IBN for getting contracts unfairly and producing poor programming for the games.

    Now considering that NDTV and CNN IBN were among the most vociforous– to be fair, Hindustan Times was not– in creating scam news, is there something more behind the scenes. Some sort of inter channel politics?

    Or is it that the channels sensed that good revenus could aslo be created by shouting scam scam scam… ?

    So should I sing

    “Na baap bada na bhaiya…
    The whole tghing is that,
    Ki sabse bada rupaiya :D :D

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Wait a while before rushing to conclusions.

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    Mritunjay Sharma Reply:

    How long have you waited in case of Karnataka before rushing to conclusion?
    Why double standards, Sir? One for Media and another for some political parties? WHY?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Well the website was not too impressive. But then I hope the HT has answers to the castigating report which says that the work was awarded without tender.

    Now some work which needs to be done fast needs to be done by cutting bureaucracy and paperwork. But the HT cant have it both ways. Baliming Kalmadi, yet also getting a benefit thru Kalmadi…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    CNN-IBN, NDTV, HT and many others are on congress payroll. It’s not a news anymore.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Rajeev
    Looks like that evenBJP is on Congress’ payroll!

    They are coy, some monkey business in parliament, no media presence. no coherent strategy…unless that is a strategy!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I agree..Ranjan Bhattacharya seems to be hand in glove with Congress. I won’t be surprised if it is found that some BJP leaders are congress moles within BJP.

    The political system in India is without values and this is the reason there is deep frustration among common Indians.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev,

    lucrative government CWG contracts were given… at times without tenders…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    The corruption in media worries me most because for common man media are eyes and ears. If eyes and ears are compromised, we will never know the reality.

    Frankly speaking I want a dedicated Lokpal just for our corrupt media. This corruption is not just financial but also ethical.

    Why can’t media be neutral and just present facts as they are rather than putting the spin on every story to suit their political masters?

    We need independent media not the compromised one that we have today.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    media is worse than politicians…

    I am even wondering whether democracy is the right form of Govt–is there something else…
    Are we in some lala land thinking democracy, capitalistic 9or socialistic0 democracy is the right form, … as I get older, i am getting really sad about how things turned out…

    What will ahppen if the US situatin continues? They are supposed to eb democracy, and let the financial system of the world fail because they did not ahv regulations..and I understand nothing is fixed because the republicans will not allow any regulations….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    We Indians have habit of citing UK and US democracy as great examples when it suits us but when it comes to defending interests of congress’s first family, the same media dismisses american democracy.
    One such example is that in US ONLY natural citizen can be president but in India we chose to ignore this aspect of US democracy just because congress commitment to Nehru-Gandhi dynasty is absolute even if it amounts to putting Indian state security as risk.
    Sonia Gandhi comes from fascist background and has a not very transparent past but we still chose to put her in a position where she dictates everything in India. Which country in the world will do that except for some rag tag third world country?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev and Gopi

    CWG may be only one way the Congress has bribed the media. They could be many more.

    And is’nt it funny that the Hindustan Times, NDTV and CNN-IBN are the leading cheerleaders of the Congress and the Royal family?

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Pankaj ji, L Mirzaji,

    “Leftist krishna Aiyar has praised Modi for his work for girl education in glowing terms. Now from rightists, Muslims(Vastanvi) and leftists, modi has wrested admiration for his work. When, Sonia is going to praise him? Never, because he is one big potential candidate for PM’s post.

    L Mirza Reply:

    August 9th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Pankaj

    Left, right, centre all want dvelopment, upliftment of people. Nobody in the present day India has done that as well as Modi.

    I am sure Mrs Gandhi must be thinking “if only we had one like that on our team!”
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    TODAY, THE MEDIA IS FULL OF REPORTS THAT MODI IS ‘KILLING DISSENT’, THROTTLING DEMOCRACY’, ‘MODI SILENCES WHISTLE BLOWERS’ ETC., ETC.,

    According to our media, Modi can take action against ONLY ONE officer at any given time. Th rest will automatically become whistle blowers.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    “throttling dmocracy”"

    Cameron, British PM, boldly declared today that he will deal stenly with rioters, and no flimsy human-rights argument in dealing with the riot….

    Wht if Modi or for that matter a congress leader makes a statement like that here?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Modi has every right to to scrutinize any officer. These elite services people have lost their innocense and honesty long time back. Read an item, where IAS couple in MP, had more than 3 crores of ruppes worth assets, unaccounted for, not long back. Clearly, Sanjeev Bhatt and Rahul Sharma were furthering their agenda and working as a mole for Center. High ideals with these people are humbug. whether, Modi’s action was lawful or unlawful, that should be point of discussion. Hamam main sab nange hain., ( Modi excepted).

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    oyu might have quoted the figure of 3crores in order to reduce the shock.
    Actually, it is 300crors!

    Sanjeev Bhat tried every trick in the congress trade to show that he was the eight gate-crasher into Modi’s house on the 27th of February, 2002, but even the supreme court has given him the cold shoulder. Now he has take refuge in Teesta’s tent.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Some patriotic PAKISTANI posted this on the forum-

    ——————————————————————
    America : Why do you even need an aircraft carrier.
    China: Oh shut up! I am the new sherrif in the town.
    ——————————————————————

    My addition is-
    Pakistan: But I am still the same ***** willing to sleep with new Sherrif in town.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    My addition is-
    Pakistan: But I am still the same 8itch willing to sleep with new Sherrif in town.

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  • vijay kumar

    Thought for the night… as I am about to crash of…

    The UK needs to re-invent itself as the shockign visuals of loot, robbery and theft show that the mindset is falling similar to loot in Somalia…. HOW CAN UK RE0INVENT itself….?

    I think the uncared for children, mostly now born out fo the wedlock, dont have the right role role models to give them moral values…

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    shan Reply:

    Utter bollocks , it is recession and food inflation , and tory cuts coming home to roost.There are even more children born out of wedlock in france , germany ,usa and holland and definitely sweden and denmark .

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  • Ravi

    ਜਿਤ ਦੁਆਵਾਰੇ ਉਬਰੇ ਤੇਤੇ ਲੈ ਉਭਾਰ

    From the BBC News.

    On Tuesday night Sikh men in Southall, many with hockey sticks, stood guard outside a Sikh and a Hindu temple and a mosque following Monday’s disorder.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Only sikhs can do this. You muslims should learn from them.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi, what is your take on the recent riots.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I think that the March last Thursday that followed the initial Police shooting, was the trigger.

    A number of unsavoury characters latched on to the March with a limited objective of harassing the police or even violently engaging with them.

    The riot kind of developed from that almost accidentally, but it appealed to the deep resentment people have with the Govt Cut backs which disproportionately impact the poor inner city areas.

    I most agree with you that rising prices, and unemployment, are probably the largest contributing factor.

    I also believe that Tottenham has been ignored, whilst Stratford, Seven Sisters etc are getting some investment on account of Olympics. That has created some resentment in boroughs that have not seen any money coming their way.

    Reasons for spreading are copycat. Years ago, the Evening Standards always covered suicides on Tube Lines. Until a psychologist suggested, that such reports tipped over other vulnerable individuals into committing suicides in a copycat fashion. Evening Standard no longer carries reports on suicides and the copycat incidents have stopped.

    That is my humble opinion

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi , SPOT ON, that is why no problem in guildford (the richest town in europe), also things are tough if you dont have a job. You wont starve , though the food inflation is staggering , and also full medical care is free. But as they say “Empty brain devil’s workshop”.
    Also the schools in these inner cities are there just to make sure kids attend by law till age of fifteen. Otherwise it is absolute waste of time . I think french education system is much better, though they also had riots.I understand in the french system WEDNESDAY IS ONLY SPORTS FOR THE ENTIRE DAY. Also when french teach about geography , they also teach about the history culture and language all in one package.TRY TELLING THIS TO KHAP ENGINEER AND THE REACTIONARY KONKAN BANK MANGER, that will be white a r s e licking.
    If only india had less number of clowns and some intelligent bloggers like bobby , mahesh prabhat etc.

  • http://- Rajeev

    We must admit that Japanese are most civilized people on the face of the earth. During the earthquake and Tsunami thereafter, we did not hear a single incidence of Japanese looting stores or rioting.

    Whereas Britain stands in contrast to Japan. Shame on brits.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, Try living in japan with your rather dark skin. japanese like foreigners , only that they have to be europeans.In fact try getting a visa despite your american passport. Britain despite its all shortcomings , IS THE MOST LIBERAL PLACE ON PLANET EARTH. A school in east london , newham to be precise HAS STUDENTS SPEAKING SIXTY(yes you have read it correct) different MOTHER TONGUE. And I get better HILSA than I can ever wish to get in Gariahat market .And billingsgate market is the greatest fish market in the world with nearly 200 stalls.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    We are not talking about Racism here. I am just talking about the loot part.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    What you said about Japanese racism applies on arab, africans etc. with respect to south asians. Even black african treat Indians shabbily.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, the other side of the river always looks greener. After the bubble economy burst in japan in 2000 , and APPLE knocked the hell out of japanese consumer electronics, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF JAPANESE HOMELESS LIVING IN THE PARKS UNDER A PLASTIC SHEET.
    Japanese men groping women’s backside in horrendously crowded commuter train is so well known, was shown in one Charles Bronson movie.Some more about Japan to enlighten bloggers from japan.Undies (known as knickers) which have been used by girls age NINE is a very much sought item amongst japanese men. Apparently you can buy them from SLOT MACHINES.
    Also during the tsunami , they were probably more busy saving themselves from RADIATION AND WATER , than thinking about looting. During Tsunami in Indonesia and Thailand , not much looting took place.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Whatever the reason but we did not see Japanese looting each other.

    I can’t say anything about other points that you have raised because I don’t have much idea about Japan or Japanese.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu, Rajeev,

    here is a quotable quote:

    “When we are unemployed we are called lazy. When the white people are unemployed, it is called depression”…..Jesse Jackson.

  • vijay kumar

    =============================================================================
    ~ :D :D ~ WHY THE UK NEEDS TO RE-INVENT ITSELF– AND REWRITE SOME HISTORY ! ~ :D ~
    =============================================================================

    If you control the media. control the printing presses, control the education sytem of the world, there surely are a lot of lies you can peddle.

    In all my trips to the UK, some pretty extended ones– well I love the energy and multicuturism of London, I am always stuck by one thought– how could this small island with people now interested mostly in pubbing and football– actually rule the world.

    Dining with an Irish professor, who was not too enamoured with GREAT Britain, the conversation veered around to this.

    “Well THEY could rule the world… but they could never could rule us– could they?” he said with a humourous glint.

    Now I am a bit of a Charles Darwin always interested to know how societies function. So I steered the topic away from the subject of Dublin Institute fo Technology and its planned tieups with India to present day UK. And as we talked, other angles emerged.

    That racial and religious stereotypes were created so that either the race was exterminated, or made to feel that they only deserved to be ruled by the Great British empire ! The great white Anglo Saxon King or Queen… :D

    That English society was organised so that the royalty at the top of the pyramid was the constant for which you had to work ….

    For example
    —The Irish being Catholic were always joked bout for being dumb and clumsy…

    — Buddhists were singlehandedly dismissed… worshipping a dead stone Buddha, being a standard expression

    — Hinduism was reduced to a religion of “sack clothes and ashes” (though a standard Christan expression) or somthing fo that sort..

    — Islam was badly abused– I dont want to use the words here.

    — The Red Indians were created in school games as villians who came to destroy and kill the innocent whiteman.

    — The Hindus of Nepal were dismissed for not being HIndus but Animists !! ( who worship animals)

    History books worldover too were distorted so that willing slaves emerged. For example the “Blackhole of Calcutta ” would feature in history books worldover as the sort of megalomaniac harm done by “natives’ to the whiteman. While Jalianwala bagh would never be talked about… :D

    In they end they wanted the “natives’ to become willing slaves of the Queen and King. Wanted Gurkhas running towards the Canon as fodder, shouting about the glory of the Queen. Wanted Gangadeen’s who would die trying to save the whiteman….

    Why I am saying all this is to emphsize the point that English society as a whole was a pyramid with
    the Queen at the top. A sf grand joint family where the Queen mother was mother to all, the king was the father to all, even if your own father was absent. But now that is in shambles.

    The Queen and the royal family has been reduced to Tabloid entertainment.

    And the average English man or woman… does not have stable personal/sexual relations, does not build businesses, does not plan for his children or parents…. somehwere the society is a bit rootless.

    And as I watch the looters of shops on TV– none being South Asians– I wonder if the society, despite some affluence– has gone wrong…. and in decline….

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay Kumar, you were pubbing with an irish prof and cataloging the ills of english society.The same english society produced people who I guess WROTE 90% OF THE LAWS AND CALCULATIONS OF YOUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING TEXTBOOK. Now a SMALL SCIENCE TUTORIALThe computer you are using , all the logic theories was invented by ALAN TURING, widely acknowledged as the FATHER OF MODERN COMPUTERS. The world wide web or the INTERNET was invented by an englishman Sir Tim Berners Lee. The jet engine was invented by Sir Frank Whittle , so was HOVERCRAFT(a ship that flies 3ft above the surface of water) by christopher Cockerell.
    CT SCANNERS was invented by Sir robert hounsfield, used to live in islworth, not far from where ravi lives. MRI scanners were coinvented by MANSFIELD of Nottingham University.I can spend the whole day writing about it. Just a last one which will come to your use.
    DNA fingerprinting(of which I know in detail , because it is within my realm) to nab RAPIST from a single shedded skin cell or microscopic semen was invented by SIR ALEX JEFFRIES while in Leicester, now he is Prof in Cambridge. SO BE AWARE OF THIS TEST

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    GREETINGS FROM SOUTHALL
    —————————————-
    sorry friends, been through a very fraught time. Ek chingari bhadki Tottenham mein, aur aag lag gayi from Southall to Birmingham. One of my family businesses has been attacked and I have been busy fighting fire.
    WHILE THIS IDIOT CALLED SHAN NIRODH IS BUSY AS USUAL TALKING GARBAGE ON INDIANS vs GORAS, many gabru jawaan of Punjab have not had proper sleep guarding our areas and gurudwaras, temples and you wont believe this- mosques. even the Gujratis of wembley are desperate to have our protection.
    You shud see the unity here- so different from the hate and divisiveness practiced by SHAN AND RAVI HERE- saaley armchair JNU type **** bags

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    had meetings with Lit and many other influential figures- had a tiring week- we could be on the edge of race riots- somalians have anyways targetted indians for years.
    but we showed steel, told the Police chief that we will sort out southall, hounslow and isleworth.

    AND SOMEONE TELL LAHORI RAVI, THAT THE INDIAN PUNJABIS HAVE SWORN TO PROTECT THE MOSQUE IN SOUTHALL.

    not sure if the pakistanis would ever think of protecting temples in their areas like east ham
    VERY PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN TODAY AFTER EVERY TORY AND LABOUR LEADER SUNG OUR COMMUNITY PRAISES TODAY

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    Ravi Reply:

    AS POINTED OUT MANY TIMES BEFORE, YOU DONT READ< YOU CAN NOT READ

    Ravi says:
    August 12, 2011 at 12:19 am
    ਜਿਤ ਦੁਵਾਰੇ ਉਬਰੇ ਤੇਤੇ ਲੈ ਉਭਾਰ

    From the BBC News.

    On Tuesday night Sikh men in Southall, many with hockey sticks, stood guard outside a Sikh and a Hindu temple and a mosque following Monday’s disorder.

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    shan Reply:

    @RAVI HE CANNOT READ , HE CAN ONLY DO KABUTARBAJI AND HERA PHERI AND ONE THING HE DOES ALL THE TIME , FALLING OFF THE CHAIR DUE TO CHEAP DARU

    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I am proud of you personally and all the In Indian Sardars too.
    You have made us all hold our head high with pride.
    You have also, shown exemplary courage and used your collective heads, which has actually enhanced the respect the British society holds you Indians in, unlike this Shaan Nirodh, who is busy as usual attacking Indians with his foul mouthed oratory.

    Keep it up, Blwinderji!!!!!!!!

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Balwinder

    I hope everyting is okay at a personal level.

    Maal toh phir bhi mil jayega
    Jaan sabse zaida important hai… :D

    I was surprised to learn that a daughter of a millionare was also involved in the looting. As also was the girl who was to be London’s ambassador to welcome athletes to the olympics.

    Who were the rioters actually. I understand it was not the Asians…

    What was it supposed to be, in their eyes ?

    Good fun? Frustration? unemployment … ? Or just looting because of the opportunity?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Balwinder -

    keep safe. Hope peace prevails.

    Vijay – most of the looters are thugs, some (like the weathy girl/ambassador’s daughter) must have joined for ‘fun” and “excitement”.

    It looks like that now it is turned into a black vs asian attack.

    I agree with CAmeron when he said ” will traet these criminals harshly–no worry about Human Rights here”

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Gopi

    cameroon’s is indeed a brave statment from which we should learn. We have wasted 10 years on Afzal Guru. Which other country in the world would do this?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijy

    Well, a variation of “Afzal Guru reluctance” is playing out here in kerala.

    The Muslim assciations ahve asked the govt two grant three days of school holidays each for Ramzan fast breaking and Bakrid celebration ….. Wih Muslim league in a”controlling” position in the govt, this will be granted or they will get something more important in exchange of this!

    The last left Govt intituted a 10% reservation for poor students for professional colleges. Muslim associations have filed a case in Supreme court against this saying upper caste students will get admission thru this.. I dont know all the legl/constitutional angles here; but it is shaping up to be a “landmark” case…

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    It is sad to know that the central government, especially the Congress is bent on capitualting ot every unfair demand for Muslims in an effort to frighten them into thinking that only the Congress can save them.

    They have recently exempted Madrassas from the RTE. SO even if the Madrassas are funded by government and people’s money the curriculam will not be examined or questioned under the right to education.

    However there is a bright side. The latest India today survey shows that the COngress will probably lose 2014. Even in UP ! :D

    I think we should all gift a specail cake to Digviansh, Mani Aiyar and Rahul for this phenomenal achievement. :D

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Everyone

    A subject which may just be lost… should be debated here.

    Two channels– NDTV and CNN IBN got the CWG contracts. And HT got the website.

    All three medai houses support the Yuvraj, Rajmata and Congress to the last word. Is it becasue of the revenue they get from govt ads and CWG type contracts????

    Or thae contracts, a reward for support….

    Issue needs to be debated…

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  • shan

    How about discussing CRICKET , how it has brought shame , a bunch of spineless wimps.Does a former captain ring a bell , and his jersey waving and who he was HOUNDED OUT.Bedi eat your heart out , his wife is a firangi from australia .WHAT GOES ROUND COMES ROUND.who is having the last laugh

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Shan.

    Yes you are right. Very sad to see Indian cricket in such horrible situation. They had
    got a chance, on pretext of riots they could have come back and not played the remaiing
    series.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    southall riots- UPDATE
    just finished a meeting with mayor of Ealing, Raj Mann and others at Clay Oven- we think the worst is over. punjabis have also ensured complete peace in Osterley also and at the temple in Neasden although they have also hired a security company with black staff prominent because most rioters are black.

    interesting- met a local councillor of bangladeshi origin Dr Rupa Haq who had the media all around her- why- she is the sister of the famous tv presenter- Blue Peter- Connie Huq. what a small world !!

    we need all the publicity for our efforts. thanks Connie

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    why these riots-

    divorce rate 45%
    therefore fatherless families
    benefits system- why study when you can sit home and get it for free
    rampant alcoholism
    violent TV
    No respect for teachers

    there were riots also few months ago on education cuts- even singer BRIAN GILMORE’S son was arrested- SOMEONE TELL GARBAGE SHAN- NIRODH- who allatime sings gora praises- then and now- nearly all rioters are black or caucasians- no INDIANS
    (SLEEPING IN MY OFFICE TONIGHT with 3 employees- good night friends)

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    Nice to hear from you in your same style. Hope everything is fine at your end. Read about Sangat TV and was very proud about it . Otherday only I was telling my wife about you
    and your better half’s belans. Cheers.

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    shan Reply:

    Someonetell this DIPSOMANIAC, challa sikh, dimwit buffon , IF ENGLAND IS SO OBNOXIOUS HOW COME HE WILL SELL HIS MOTHER TO RESIST DEPORTATION AND IS STAYING PUT THERE..How about the divorce rate amongst sikhs , AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND HOW ABOUT THE FILM PROVOKED STARRING BAHU BACCHAN

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Balwinder

    Well that is an insight into the acutal causes of the riots.

    The younger gen of goras in UK does seem a bit rootless. I hope they course correct !

    But I guess the lifestyle of individualism, with ideals imprinted by tabloids, mixed with excess alcohol can be a dangerous cocktail. As long as the Royal family was supreme– there was a Queen as the ultimate mother and the Prince as the father, at the back of your mind :D

    But today’s kids with missing parents are missing a lot…

    UK with a tremendous goodwill worldover, with its admirable institutions and the English language which is now the unversal communication currency should have been producing brandnames and products for the world. But it seems sadly missing i action.

    And Indian kids are scoring higher in TOEFL :D

    I learnt something the hard way in life. If you want to buy something, you should have something to sell first to get the cash. Today if you walk the markets in London, it is mostly about Chinese and Asian goods. While the younger generation does NOT seem to have drive to sell goods back to the entire world….

    The South Asians migrants with possibly more conservative values can send this message back to the pure English !

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    shan Reply:

    Reply of a COD SOCIOLOGIST, Apple Iphone is assembled in china , sold as MADE IN CHINA, that didn’t prevent APPLE BECOMING THE FIRST TRILLION YES TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY OVERTAKING EXXON MOBIL FOR THE FIRST TIME.Incidentally the audio circuit in I phone is made by CAMBRIDGE AUDIO , a spin off from cambridge University research dept.
    UK doesn’t make T SHIRT or scissors , for that matter TEXTILES BUT IS GOING TO SELL NINE BILLION POUNDS WORTH OF EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON JETS.You can WRAP the whole haryana with undies with that money.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Very rightly said. Indian and ofcourse many studious kids scoring 99% in USMLE is not uncommon. makes parents immensely happy. Again, it is family values, hard work, an intense desire to improve one’s lot in life can take any one to any height. A recent example can be seen in i am Kalam, a good children movie, apart from innumerable examples, I know personally. When, refugees came from to delhi in 47, retailers were selling csugar and gains on whole sale price,working on the margin of jute sack. they started from there. Indians have earned high praise from UK people for their stand against looters. In eighties, when I was training in UK, girls as young as 14/ 15 were coming in for abortin. in good numbers. that was sickening. remember a short stories, long back, where a US , woman author lamented about these girls, saying that they do not realise, what they are losing for what a little price.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    Looking inside from a hospital window, every one would look ill. Looking outside from a hospital window, evey one would look well.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    remember a joke, about seeing inside and outside from a window. will not write. for some later times.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    There is a Mary Stopes in Karol Bagh, too.

    Take a guess as to howmany would be kanjaks, and rakhrdi sisters are flushed down the pan.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Could not understand, why you jump to India, in a derogatory fashion at first opportunity. The craze for ultasound sex determination in India, was started in, during the time, when I was in India itself. starting from curiosity, it quickly degenerated to commercial and (anti) cultural thing. People, indulging in this racket, should be punished severely. I believe, they should be awarded 10 years, same as for nartcotics.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I do not understand your anger towards me.

    Making a crass comment about teenage pregnancy in the UK is acceptable to you, truth about female foeticide is not. The very thought brings tears to my eyes.

    If that is sin. I am proud to be guilty.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Shan

    Again with the foul language and profanity, you have only displayed your poor education, etiquette and background.

    One part of you would make you run from marauding Caucasians towards the SIkhs for protection when rioting is on. ANother side of you needlessly abuses them. :D

    It would take a minute for me to reduce you to a joke. But then I am resisting the temptation as you yourself do it :D :D

    Though I had not addressed you in my posting, my posting that the England needs to make its society more social and caring for children remains unanswered.

    Alfie Palmers who fathered a child at the age of 9 ( NINE ONLY) :D :D may be the poster boy of the Tabloids and a New world you admire. But it hardly speaks well of a society which seeks to foster responsible parenthood and cared for children.

    But then you can alsways reply instinctively with profanity….

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  • shan

    Challa sikh’s theory about divorce rate being the source of riots in uk.here is some staistics
    SWEDEN54.9 USA 54.8 BELARUS 52.9FINLAND 51.2 LUXEMBOURG47.4 ESTONIA 46.7DENMARK44.5AUSTRIA 43.4 AND UK 43.4
    How about RIOTS IN DENMARK , SWEDEN AUSTRIA

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  • shan

    Guys remember ANUPAMA CHOPRA in NDTV dismissing Woody Allen’s Freida pinto starrer YOU WILL MEET A TALL DARK STRANGER as an ordinary film.Well that husband what can you expect ,she has as much functioning film appreciating neurones as a carnivore. Anupama see the film again , I just sawit on DVD it is a comment on the WESTERN CIVILIZATION , the affluence and POST GOD VOID SOCIETY , IT IS A PROFOUNDLY PROFOUNDLY SAD FILM , every character’s life in tatters , yet so much affluence around them ,vijay haryana should see , will make him happy and also will show indian girls are no more virgins.

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Every one;

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/229994/towards-a-jihadi-politics–v/
    Not everything is lost in Pakistan. Still there are sane voices, writing dispassionately. Hate the sin not the sinner, are the words of one Indian sage.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Pankaj

    The argument and justification for “who is a purer Muslim” are destroying that country —

    It is like what Mahathma Gandhi said “an eye for an eye, pretty soon the world will all be bl;ind peoplel”… Similarly, the purity drive will wipe off that country; ahmadiyyas, shites, sunni vs sunni — (Christians and Hindus dont even have a chance in that argument!)

    May be the country should not hav named itself a s “the land of the pure” — it has a Nazi connotation — what did they think at that time, that others are not pure, inferior???. It is strange that Jinnah agreed to this name; him being a universalist, egalitarian ..

    May be the seed of Pakistan destruction was sown at its birth. Or may be it was sown even long before, a thousand plus years ago when One decided there were believers and “non-believers”; and it is easy to prtray anybody as a non-believer, for who can be better than me?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    When I said SIN, that was my object to point out. This feeling of false superiority, and then, one up manship. In present atmospher, people like author of this article and I know few more, are people, who gives some optimism, that, may be pakistan can be brought back from edge. Ofcourse, sinners are pakistanis, who do not realize, where they are heading for. Let us fight this ideology together. It is like viral infection or cancer, which hides behingd the apparently healthy body, and escape punishment against it least healthy cells also die.

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  • Ravi

    Pankaj

    Hate the sin not the sinner,

    How many here on this blog, do you think follow this wisdom.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Main akela hi chala tha, janib e manzil magar;
    log milte gaye aur karwan badhta gaya.
    Long lost school poem;
    God give me courage to do what is right, courage to speak and courage to fight.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    ना तो कारवां की तलाश है, ना तो हमसफ़र की तलाश है
    मेरे शौक़-ऐ-खाना खराब को, तेरी रहगुज़र की तलाश है

    मेरे नामुराद जूनून का है इलाज कोई तो मौत है
    जो दवा के नाम पे ज़हर दे उसी चारागर की तलाश है

    क्या आप ऐसे चारागर हो

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sorry Ravi;
    Do not have hindi font with me, otherwise, I would have replied to you in Hindi.
    I am a doctor, not Charagar, though I know the meaning of Charagar. Cant give a poison to any one. famous sage of medicine said, do not make patient worse, under any circumstances, if you could not make him better.
    also remembered, Begam Akhtar, who said Deewane to hote hain banaye nahin jate.
    same lady said: kadar danon ki kami nahin hai, koi hunar to dikhlaiye.
    My addition here, No hunar in negative sense. will not elaborate further.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    उन के देखे से जो आ जाती है मुहँ पर रौनक
    वोह समझते हैं की बीमार का हाल अछा है
    देखिये पाते हैं उषाक बुट्तों पे क्या फे
    इक बरहमन ने कहा है के यह साल अच्छा है

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    vijay- well spoken puttar- “”"@ Shan. Again with the foul language and profanity, you have only displayed your poor education, etiquette and background. “”"

    there is a question i ask myself- AND ALL OTHERS- If SHAN is so crude and irritating why we all indulge him
    is he DOLLY Bindra of this blog- you find her coarse but still watch her

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    shan Reply:

    HE HE challa

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    I am sorry for hurting you. Not my intention at all. Cant hurt no body.Even in anger, unless I lose my senses. Also, I am wondering, what I have said here, which hurt you so much. We were discussing UK and really speaking, mentioning India here, was surprising. I strongly supported your statement in the same post, with demand for harsh punishment for people, doing such things.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I am not hurt and even if I was, that is a matter entirely in my control and not in yours.

    No doubt that there are teen-age pregnancies in the UK. But does not define the UK society.

    Much in the same way the dispicable practice of sex selection in India, defines India.

    Today is Rakhi day. I am the brother of 16 million sisters that are not with us.

    I love them dearly.

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    Ravi Reply:

    That does not read the way I meant it to.

    a few nots are missing

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    Ravi Reply:

    मदानिआन हाय ओये मेरे द्दाद्देया रब्बा
    तीयान जमन तों पहलां ही मर जानियाँ

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    understood well. looking at my daughter, who is doing better than her brother( financially only). things are changing in India too, and as financial independence of girl child and the heights she can achieve in a free society, I am sure in due course of time, urge to abort female child will be subdued considerably. Going on a long car trip, will not be able to communicate further.

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Pankaj-

    What do you expect from Ravi?

    He jumps a the first chance to blackmark India, hindus… whatever be the subject of discussion..
    Just wait, he will now bring Sati, child marriage, …and portray how these are worse than the riots…

    He must be upset three of his countrymen were killed in the riots

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Raju;
    At my age, having seen many Springs and Winters, I can not use harsh words for any one. Does not mean I never did. Been there, seen there and did there. I can appeal to better sense of people only, hence avoid profanity and abuses, that is one aspect, which I do not like, intensely in any kind of thought process. Having said this, I can still throw a punch. Ha.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    Mohd Rafi sang this beautifully.

    यारब ना वोह समझे हैं ना समझें गे मेरी बात
    दे और दिल उनको जो न दें मुझ को ज़ुबान और

  • Mohan R

    Wow. Honesty, hardwork and willpower can do miracles.
    Great read.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277986

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This story is very moving. Great man indeed.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    A great story. It stirred a chord deep down my heart. Had been there.

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    shan Reply:

    @MohanR , very inspiring story , but it is like LAND REFORM of CPM , will lead only so far. This is 1st gear , we need 5th gear. This is why I keep harpinng every district SHOULD BE AN AUTONOMOUS BODY , with its elected council , by law an university , an agricultural university linked with argiculture dept , hospital , TOTALLY WITHIN ITS CONTROL AUTONOMOUS , MANAGING ITS OWN BUDGET.
    We need INTENSIVE SCIENTIFIC FARMING ON A MASS SCALE , by amalgating all the adjacent holding an forming a corporate structure with the title holders getting some share because of the land , and employment AND INDUSTRIAL SCALE MACHINERY AND FARM EQUIPMENT FOR VERY HIGH PRODUCTIVITY.

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  • Mohan R

    One more. For a change I am only reading GOOD NEWS today.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277990

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This story is inspiring

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Suddenly Ravi has started using lot of hindi and punjabi to prove that he is Indian…Even Indian muslims know hindi and punjabi.

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~~ ~~ SEX SELECTION AND ABORTION ~~~ ~~

    While selection of sex is evil, the effeccts are still to be absorbed fully by societies which indulged in it. The Government of India has woken up to the problem and is taking corrective action. The sex ratio in India is bad. And in China at 840 girls to a 1000 males is worse.

    But….

    If somebody chest thumps and says that the western society is much better, I would say look into your heart brothers.

    Is’nt all aborrtion about killing children? In case it was about destoying featus out of rape or where a strong possibility of crippling disease in the child existed, then maybe it is justified. Or even when the parents are not in a position to support the child… maybe…

    But routine abortions are only little less worse than those done for sex selection….

    After all both are about killing children.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Today it is Rakhrdi

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Even some muslims celebrate Rakhi but you are talibani type so don’t pollute this great festival with your wishes.

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  • vijay kumar

    I know today is rakhdi. And even as I type on the laptop, my right hand has the Rakhi, my sister sent to me from Afghanistan, where she is on international duty.

    I am saying this becasue deep down I feel that the process of aborting the female foetus is bad and cruel as it leads to imbalances in the society and reflects a fuedal mindset which does not respect women.

    However incase somebody tells me that the process of routinely killing BOTH male and female Foetuses is fantastic and killing only the female foetus is bad, I am not very convinced.

    The right for abortion is a basic right of women. But the amount of abortions also reveal that life is not being respected too much in societies which wink at it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I will leave it at that..sorry

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar, By now you should have known what bengal renaissance is, through me.
    Let me once more enlighten you , IN JAPAN TILL RECENTLY ABORTION WAS ONLY WAY TO CONTROL POPULATION GROWTH.Men do not like to use condoms , and contraceptive pill is not popular with women. This was true till 1990.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    lets keep our mother

    “Subhra Jyotsna Pulakita Yaminim
    Phulla Kusumita Dhrumadala Shobhinam
    Suhasinim, Sumadhura Bhashinim’

    Happy independence day!

    Yes, another royal family and its agents ruled us for two hundred plus years….
    And we created our own royal family to rule us after independence…

    Vande Matharam….

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Gopi

    I know Muslims had fatwas etc against Vande Matram.

    Have Christian associations expressed any opinion one way or other about Vande Mataram?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Binoy:

    I am not aware of any opposition to Vande Mataram from Christian groups.

    It is possible that some of the recent converts, regions like North East may have some objection; do not know.

    However, here in kerala (and I would say South in general) not only there is no objection among Christians; they even sing the full Vande Mataram (incuding the so called “anti-Muslim” (or pro Durga!) stanzas). As you may know, Christians in kerala go back 2000 years; and other than the fact that most go to churches on Sundays, it will be difficult to discern any differences between other keralites/Indians.

    In fact, you may want to read opinions/speeches of an esteemd Malayali Christian, Justice KT Thomas (who was a supreme court justice)..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The kerala christians are very patriotic. During my childhood, majority of friends were Mallus ;) especially christians. I still remember them fondly.

  • shan

    @vijay kumar , some statistics to spoil your weekend
    abortion statistics DELHI 504000(population 1 .4CRORE) HARYANA 28885 population 2.1 CRORE
    KERALA 39850 ,population (3.1 CRORES) WB 32479 (population 8 CRORE) MahaRashtra 134772(Population 9.6 CRORE)
    SOME MORE SPOILERS FOR THE WEEKEND
    In 2006 UNAIDS estimated that there were 5.6 million people living with HIV in India, which indicated that there were more people with HIV in India than in any other country in the world.19 In 2007, following the first survey of HIV among the general population, UNAIDS and NACO agreed on a new estimate – between 2 million and 3.1 million people living with HIV.20 In 2008 the figure was estimated to be 2.31 million
    REMEMBER THE THING ABOUT GLASSHOUSES AND THROWING STONES

    You and the Konkan geezer along with the **** from USA rajiv ARE THE HINDU EQUIVALENT OF ZIA HUQ AND ZAKIR NAIK , FLAG WAVERS AND HYPOCRITES.
    If you want good of India , you NEED TO LOOK INTO THE MIRROR NOT RUN AWAY FROM IT AND EMBRACE THE WESTERN CIVILIZATION WITH OPEN ARMS ,ELSE YOUR SISTER CAN TELL YOU FROM HER SOJOURN WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU RESIST

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    “embrace the western civilization with open arms”????????

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    shan Reply:

    @gopi thomas YES EMBRACE WESTERN CIVILIZATION WITH OPEN ARMS, the greatest embodiment is SATYAJIT RAY , a scholar of WESTERN MUSIC AND WESTERN ART
    now this is what KOROSAWA said about RAY”To be born in this earth and not watched Ray’s film , is like being born and not watched the rising and setting of sun and moon.
    Another one , this is NEHRU”I WILL BE FIRST BRITISH PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “EMBRACE WESTERN CIVILIZATION WITH OPEN ARMS”

    Does that also mean embracing christianity and racism, two strong pillars of western i.e. christain world.

    Mahesh Reply:

    “Does that also mean embracing christianity and racism, two strong pillars of western i.e. christain world.”
    He is probably hinting at submerging the feudalism.
    What is with you that you chose rabid christianity and racism ? Overlapping biases ?

  • vijay kumar

    ===========================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~ JAI HIND… VANDE MATRAM…. 15 aUGUST MUBARAK ~~~ :D :D ~~~
    ===========================================================================

    @ At everyone especially Shan

    I was tempted to ignore Shan’s posting. However since this is so typically Shan– untruths peddled in a hysterical wail– I am just puncturing this for the record.

    Shan, you can keep reading this, cry for the beloved ideals you hold up and tend to shout out here :D :D

    Abortion statistics like any other piece of data has to be read per capita. For example comparing India–population 1200 million with say Isreal– population 8 million can only be done using per capita data. Any science student or even a High school graduate can understand.

    Here is a per capita comparison of abortion data. Statistical base being per thousand population

    India — 0.55 abortions per thousand

    germany — 1.11 abortions per thousand ( TWICE OF INDIA) and falling population :D . Germans dont love children anymore… just sex… and of course racism :D

    Canada — 2.15 per thousand ( FOUR TIMES of INDIA) Population replaced by migration for whites

    Italy — 2.3 per thousand ( Four and half times ) :D – renaissaince happening :D

    France — 2.55 per thousand ( FIVE TIMES) :D So much for french culture :D Population of whites falling
    only replaced by migrants :D Wish Sarkozy produces more … Carla Bruni wear a mini please :D

    Japan — 2.69 bortions per thousand ( Five times of India) :D Population decreasing as no migration. Kurosuwa wont have heirs… only fun and abortions :D D

    New Zealand –2.26 per thousand. Maybe Moaris should come back :D :D

    Norway– 2.97 per thousand. Falling population. Maybe frozen sperms shipped form India will do the job :D :D

    US : 4.95 per thousand. Falling white population, being replaced by migrants

    And …..

    Russia : 19.4 ( 38 times of India) hey russains– sex is for reproduction. You ruled the world once. Kya hua ??? Falling population of goras in Russian is a huge problem

    Shan’s thinking is absolutely Nirad Chaudhary type inferiority complex infested. I would not have replied to Shan and his vulgar rants. But since he peddled lies, I had to.

    So Shan… cry for the Schmidts, Takimitas and Boris going down the drain.
    before you throw lies on a public forum.

    Now why is the population of so many gora countries falling?/ Because they discovered that Sex is ONLY for recreation…. NOT for re-production :D :D

    As for me…

    I will go back to my cricket match, organised by a friend’s NGO which gets street children to play with employed professionals. And I…. am the umpire :D :D

    And then a kite flying session with Kites in the Indian tricolour :D :D :D

    Jai HInd !!! :D :D

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay

    Enjoy with the children..

    Population decline in Europe and Japan does not have much to do with abortions..there are many other factors contrivuting to aging population and not having replacement population.

    If we look at India on a state by state basis, we do have major “aging” issues that loom in front of us due to the female fetocide … As you move from kerala (male to female rattio 1000: 1090, considered ideal) to the north (haryana 1000: 800) the male/female ratio increases (should be the other way) bringing up sustainability issues; southern states having better ratio compared to northern states.

    However this may also create opportunities for better “integration:” (there are already examples of mass marriages from Haryana/Punjab men with Kerala women etc) , a slower population growth (decadal growth rate has already gone down, although it is still high for Muslims).

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay kumar ,haryana culture and bengal renaissance , there is a difference.CRUDE RATE per population would be fine IF ACCESS TO ABORTION SERVICES WAS AS WIDESPREAD AS THE DEVOLOPED COUNTRIES. NOW READ ON

    How many abortions are performed in Japan every year?

    There were about 256,000 abortions in 2007, or 9.3 per 1,000 women aged 15 to 49, the lowest figure so far, according to the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry. The number had been decreasing steadily since the 1950s, when there were between 40 and 50 abortions per 1,000 women of child-bearing age.

    One of the main reasons for this trend is the increasing use of the pill, according to a health ministry report on abortion.

    The most oft-cited reason for terminating a pregnancy is that the couple are not married, accounting for 28 percent of the 122 women with experience of abortion who were surveyed for the report last year. Financial difficulties came second, with 16 percent.

    Roughly 95 percent of abortions in Japan in 2007 took place in the first 11 weeks of pregnancy, and nearly 8 percent were conducted on women under age 20.

    The 20-24 age bracket had the greatest number of abortions, at 62,500, while 18,600 abortions were performed on women above 40 years old.

    THERE IS NO ABORTION IN CATHOLIC COUNTRIES LIKE THE ONES IN LATIN AMERICA ,IRELAND , SPAIN
    The countries in LATIN AMERICA is also known as BANNANA REPUBLIC

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Michelle Bachman, conservative “tea party” congreswwoman , won the Iowa Ames Poll yesteraday. This puts her as one of the frontrunners for republican nomination for President of USA.

    Th other front runner is Rick Perry, Governor of Texas. He leads prayer meetings to fight drought, forest fires, to improve economy…

    Both these peple are anti-abortion, anti-science (world was created 6000 years ago, nothing called evolution etc ; firm belivers and proponents of home chooling), anti fairness….anti all the way…

    Other republican contenders are also in the similar boat.

    The Christian right will decide who gets nominated… it will be interesting. You think things ae bad now, youhaven’t seen waht si going to happen!

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  • rajiv

    A heart warming story
    —————————————

    On a hot summer afternoon, on Madurai’s busy main road, the district collector, U. Sagayam, saw a young man talking on a cellphone while riding a motorbike. He asked his driver to wave the man down, got down from his car and meted out instant punishment: plant 10 saplings within 24 hours. Somewhat unconventional justice, some might say. But that’s how Sagayam works.

    ‘Lanjam Thavirtthu, Nenjam Namartthu’ (Reject bribes, hold your head high), says a board hanging above Sagayam’s chair in his modest office. That’s the code he lives by, even if politicians are incensed they cannot bend him their way—he’s been transferred 18 times in the last 20 years—and has made enemies of both superiors and subordinates. “I know I sit under a dangerous slogan and probably alienate people,” he says. “But I have been the same Sagayam from Day 1. Standing up against corruption is not for a season. Nor is it a fad. It’s forever.”

    Two years ago, as district collector of Namakkal, he voluntarily declared his assets: a bank balance of Rs 7,172 and a house in Madurai worth Rs 9 lakh. Once, when his baby daughter, Yalini, who had breathing problems, was suddenly taken ill, he did not have the Rs 5,000 needed for admitting her to a private hospital. At that time he was deputy commissioner (excise) in Coimbatore and there were 650 liquor licences to be given out. The going bribe for each was rumoured to be Rs 10,000.

    Sagayam started cleaning up Madurai the minute he landed here. The main bus terminus at Mattuthavani looked more like a bazaar, with shops all over the bus-shelters and no waiting place for passengers. Even a police outpost had been turned into a shop. The system was well-oiled with haftas to local politicians and policemen. Sagayam quickly went through the rulebook, cited the relevant clauses and cleaned up the entire area. But didn’t it hit poor shopkeepers who lost their livelihood? “A violation is a violation,” says Sagayam, “but we will help them rehabilitate.” Nageshwaran, a taxi-driver and one of Sagayam’s many fans, says, “He’s strict and hasn’t taken even ten paise in bribe during his career. He’s like the upright collectors they show in some films, a real hero with integrity.”

    Sagayam’s masters degrees in social work and law come in useful in his role as an administrator. He knows the rulebooks in detail and is not afraid of using them, however powerful the opponent. No wonder then that Sagayam’s career is marked with the scars of countless battles.

    When errant village officers ganged up to get Sagayam transferred, people protested and the order was rescinded.

    When he was in Kanchipuram as revenue officer, he took on the sand mafia, ordering them to stop dredging sand from the Palar riverbed. Large-scale dredging had made the area flood-prone. The mafia sent goons to assault Sagayam, but he did not budge and would not take back the order. He also took on a mighty soft-drink mnc when a consumer showed him a bottle with dirt floating in it. He sealed the bottling unit and banned the sale of the soft drink in the city. In Chennai, he locked horns with a restaurant chain and recovered four acres valued at some Rs 200 crore.

    Given such credentials, it wasn’t surprising for him to be picked by the Election Commission to oversee elections in Madurai, as famous for its temples as its political gods. During the last polls, Sagayam took on M.K. Azhagiri, the local MP and son of former CM and DMK supremo M. Karunanidhi. He conducted voter awareness campaigns in colleges; the DMK petitioned the court twice, seeking to end what it said was an attempt to influence voters, but the court demurred.

    Sagayam’s wife Vimala has stood by him all these years but she was rattled by some of the threats during the elections. “He always says if you are right, nobody can hurt you,” she says. “But sometimes it becomes difficult.”

    Sagayam takes a hands-on approach to his work. He holds a Monday ‘durbar’, at which anyone can meet him with their complaints. During tours of the district for review meetings and inspections, he will suddenly stop a school bus to talk to children or duck into a school to take a class. When students tell him they want to be IAS or IPS officers, he asks, “It’s all well to say now that you’ll be honest, but will you remain unbending about not taking bribes throughout your career?”

    Some months back, while driving to a village, he found a 92-year-old woman cleaning rice. She said she had to work in order to eat. He immediately sanctioned Rs 1,000 as old-age pension for her. When 60-year-old Vellamma met him during a tour of Uthappanaikkanoor village this week and asked him to grant her a pension, he said, “I can do that. But do you want me to send your son to jail too—for abandoning you?” He said it with a smile, as a joke, but he has in fact taken action against children who don’t take care of their aging parents.

    “I believe, as Mahatma Gandhi said, that India lives in her villages,” says Sagayam, who also idolises Subhash Chandra Bose. His years as a collector—he has slept overnight in village schools many times—have convinced him to better the lot of villagers by strengthening the village administrative officer (VAO) system. Many VAOs have never visited villages and often stay miles away from where they should be, in cities. In Namakkal, his action against errant VAOs had them ganging up with politicians to get him transferred. Over 5,000 villagers protested, saying they wouldn’t let Sagayam go. The politicians had to retreat.

    Sagayam says he learnt honesty on his mother’s knees. He is the youngest of four sons of a farmer from Pudukottai. “Our adjoining field had mango trees and my friends and I would pick the fallen fruit,” he says. “But my mother made me throw the mangoes away, saying I should enjoy only what is mine.” Now his daughter Yalini wants to become a collector. When she has an argument with her brother Arun, she asks her father, “Is he really your son? He just told a lie!” Both of them are proud of their father. Recently, after a long time, the Sagayam family went on a vacation to Kullu in Himachal Pradesh. While visiting a gurudwara, a stranger came up to their father and asked him, “Aren’t you IAS officer Mr Sagayam?” Yalini and Arun have not stopped beaming.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277990

    Its great to know that such an upright IAS officer has survived in India.

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  • BR

    @VS
    Read that There has been a complaint against you for slapping a Dalit IAS Officer. Is it true ??

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  • pankaj#1

    Visiting relations, borrowed computer. Not much time with me. Only one question, what is best contraceptive for population control? Answer, totally scientific, in next post. Female infanticide has great culural input there. In North Indian agricultural communities, where daughter does not get share in land, so as to check land loss to family, compensated to some extent by dowry( a burden for impoverished farmers) and false notion of honour, encourages female infanticide. Totally unjustified and cruel, but we should try to understand reason here in Indian context. Again a totally scientific answer for this, in next post.

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    rajiv Reply:

    The birth rate among Indian middle class and upper class is as low as in europe or USA.

    So lifting people out of poverty, where they fear sliding back into poverty if they have too many children, may be one way.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Pankaj,
    ” In North Indian agricultural communities, where daughter does not get share in land, so as to check land loss to family, compensated to some extent by dowry( a burden for impoverished farmers) and false notion of honour, encourages female infanticide.”
    Pankaj, the feudal culture might be weighing down heavily on economics . Two specific reasons here – IMHO, the law of land doesn’t make any difference between girl and boy child when it comes to inheritence. Secondly, despite female infanticide – anecdotally speaking – girls appear to be making great progress. The co-relating argument is once a girl child is past her infantile age, she is offered equal opportunities in the family which she does avail for her individual betterment, so much so that she even asserts her legal inheritance rights. So we might be looking at a contradiction here – while the female infanticide may be rampant, the girl child might actually doing much better. A severe “data mining / digging into the statistics” might be needed to infer whether there indeed is a significant overlap between biased towards female infanticide and those further submerging in the general trend of offering equal opportunities for the girl child.
    Finally, these are my two cents based on anecdotal observations – perhaps blinkered by by a bias in my own state of Maharshtra.

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    shan Reply:

    @Mahesh,IMHO The only ONLY reason for female foeticide is DOWRY, full stop.Previously boys were valued because the parents can COUNT ON THE SON’S INCOME to contribute to the family.
    Girls are to be married off, thus not a source of money , on the contrary cost money .ALSO THE IMPOSSIBLE PRESSURE OF GIRLS HAVING TO BE MARRIED OFF AT AGE 16-18(RURAL INDIA).THIS IS BECAUSE THE CULTURE OF HARYANA IS SUCH THAT THE GIRLS ARE NOT “SAFE”.
    So much for lecturing the WEST.
    THE ONLY THING THAT SETS PROTESTANT SOCIETIES APART IS THAT THEY HAVE FREED THEIR WOMEN FOLKS

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    In fact a girl child is a great asset to a family. Given equal opportunity, they almost always out perform boys in pursuit of education and other finer arts. It is only brute force, where boys can outperform them. Biologically, female has more endurance and better chances of survival, as nature has compensated her for continuation of species.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Tomorrow is our Independence day but I can’t motivate myself to say “Happy Independence day”…This is happening first time in my life. I really feel very sad at the current state of India.
    I think India needs a violent revolution to understand the true meaning of Independence.
    Ye Angrezon se Khairaat mein mili Azadi ki keemat koi nahi jaanta.

    However on this day, I pray that souls of our great revolutionaries RIP.

    I wish next Independence day will be worth calling a Happy day.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Rajeev

    One way to look at is that things could be worse, especially now comparing what is happening in the west, US, etc..

    economy is moving in the right track..
    in general, country is moving i n the right track…

    yes, there are issues.. But all resolvabe!

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    Mahesh Reply:

    “I think India needs a violent revolution to understand the true meaning of Independence.”
    Care to be more specific ? Is it Maoist brand or VHP/ Bajrang Dal / Jehadi brand ? Or your own different brand that you intend to float ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Bhagat SIngh Kind.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mahesh,
    You definitely belong to a congress family. I can see that in your thoughts. You simply can not tolerate any other POV.
    I can say with 99% certainity that your father must be a corrupt Babu because kids who grow up on Upar Ki Kamaai think like you.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Pankaj and Rajiv.

    I just put up the statistics to prove that the sex ratio in India is bad. Probably due to the sex selection tests in the eighties and ninties.

    However in my eyes countries with falling populations and high degree of abortions are worse. In case somebody says that a society which is better in case it aborts both the male and female foeteuses becasue the lady/man in question feels that bearing a child is a burden then it is probably worse than a society which only aborts the femnale foetus. (which in my opinion is bad)

    let me again state that I am no seesha sadha nationalist prude. In fact I have hung around a bit in the western society and come across enough girls in their mid thirties who are itching for a stable male partner and a guy who can sustain a family and a child for them.

    But…

    The so called gr8 british ideal of serving the Union Jack and the Windsor castle seems alien to the yougnsters of UK today. It is only bastions of toadies of Indian origin who want to do that !! :D

    But…

    let me also state that the White Anglo saxon Society which once ruled the world and later transferred the power to the huge multinationals of America has to find new parnters. The huge salute to democracy and liberal values which is the best of US can find this partnership in certain quarters of India…

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    Ravi Reply:

    :)

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    shan Reply:

    A KHAP MEMBER with FOLKSY theories. BREED LIKE RABBIT , HARYANA and TAO ji will provide all the food. Something grossly wrong with the education system of India THESE DUMBO CRAMMERS/ROTE LEARNERS become engineers.no wonder even the drawingsof a footbridge in CWG was bought from UK ,hardly a world leader in Civil Engineering

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Just back from India, did a trek / pilgrimage to TUNGANATH, more of that later.

    Rajiv- just read your story about Sagayam – the Singham of Tamil Nadu- this story just warmed my heart – http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277990

    Happy Independence Day to all Indians and the 2 Pakistanis on this blog- India itself was buzzing so much- with energy, optimism and also trepidation about Anna Hazare’s fight- how I wish we could teleport this bubbling enthusiasm to your country Pakistan
    so much to relate- how about this- 3 car dealerships in Mathura on the Delhi Agra road- Hyundai, Honda and Tata- 10 years ago would you have believed it, after all- Mathura is not exactly rich !!

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    well, it is sad that media did mot go after tiwari retc … quite deplorable the way they are after hazare …media should be ashamed!

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  • shan

    August 15th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    “EMBRACE WESTERN CIVILIZATION WITH OPEN ARMS”

    Does that also mean embracing christianity and racism, two strong pillars of western i.e. christain world.

    EMBRACE INDIAN CULTURE WITH OPEN ARMS
    Does that also mean embracing CASTEISM , THE RAW SEWAGE CASTE HEGEMONY and UNTOUCHABILITY , the pillars of INDIAN sic HINDU CULTURE

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Shan

    Looks like you ahve a ‘complex” as others have been pointing to…

    Since when is the “raw sewage… “.. the pillars of Indian culture? You have ben vomiting this for a long time..

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    shan Reply:

    @Binoy Hedge , YOU SEEM TO BE HIGHLY SENSITIVE /TOUCHY, ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER any reasons.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “EMBRACE INDIAN CULTURE WITH OPEN ARMS
    Does that also mean embracing CASTEISM , THE RAW SEWAGE CASTE HEGEMONY and UNTOUCHABILITY , the pillars of INDIAN sic HINDU CULTURE”

    EMBRACE INDIAN CULTURE WITH OPEN ARMS
    Repent for Casteism by providing 49.5% caste reservation. The largest state is now ruled by untouchable. Pillars of Hinduism is repentance and tolerance. Your raw sewage western culture wiped off natives of Australia, Americas and treated africans like animals. The hindus did not commit as mass scale genocide of Untouchables. We are very happy with our raw sewage. You being a bengali should think why Bengal is still ruled by Brahmins. India has moved on but bigmouth Bengalis are yet to see the truth.

    Now stop your western style racism…Keep yourself to raw sewage which belong to Gora masters. Time and again you refuse to change…Now go ahead and abuse me…You should be definitely be decendent of Phani Ghosh.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, are you awake , or under drugs.JUST A POLITE QUERY , WHERE ARE YOU NOW BASED , WHICH NATIONALITY ARE YOU , AND WHICH COUNTRY PROVIDES YOU WITH ROJI ROTI, the answer to none of the above is INDIA. In my case at least I still hold a indian passport.
    A fellow blogger SYED once commented ….IS BRUTALLY HONEST
    Any Guess what those dots represent

    As much western civilization , did all that HOW ABOUT CHENGIZ KHAN , sorry he may have been Buddhist.
    Also it the white themselves who have spoken about their dark deeds , a book called the THE SLAVE TRADE , which I have with me is written by HUGH THOMAS .
    Incidentally it was William Wilberforce’s movement which forced the parliament to aboloish slave trade ,of which JEWS and ARABS were rich benefeciaries

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I am fully awake and utterly disgusted.
    I am based in US and I am an India but I no longer feel proud to be one. Earlier India provided me Roji Roti for 10 years and now US provides.
    I don’t know who represents those dots but I can say it must be you. But your brutal honesty is bordering on slavery of whites.

    Chengiz Khan was from Mongolia, a nomad who happened to be Buddhist. For one Chengiz Khan, west produced thousands of Chengiz Khan. I am not as dismissive as you of other civillization. Currently western civillization is the most refined one but it has brought maximum destruction to the modern world along with amazing scientific achievements.

    You hold Indian passport but still call all sorts of names to India and Indians. You suffer from typical bengali inferiority complex. Remember Bengal was one of the earlier province that was occupied by brits. The same province witnessed largest conversion to Islam. Bengalis simply lack any self-respect barring few like Netaji.

    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, so far conversion goes HOW ABOUT PUNJAB , also hindu punjabis didn’t have a script , learnt ramayana from URDU/PERSIAN sources.Bengalees don’t need to learn patriotism from you , MODERN INDIAN NATIONALISM IS AN INVENTION OF BENGALEES, khudiram bose went to gallows AGE SIXTEEN(yes you are reading it correct).Heard about SURYA SEN , if not watch the film JIYENGE JI JAN KAY, by aushotosh gowarikar

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I am not comparing Bengali sense of patriotism with anyone. There is large section of bengalis who suffer from inferiority complex vis-a-vis White man.

    I hold bengali patriots in high esteem but let us not forget traitorous Communists who were elected by bengalis to rule over them for 30 plus years.

    The spirit of Khudiram Bose and Netaji is long gone.
    Master Surya Sen is neglected in WB. It took a Marathi to bring his story to Indians. Whereas Satyajit Ray just sold India’s poverty to west.

    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev , A film on surya sen is made by a bengalee lady WHICH IS THOUSAND TIMES BETTER THAN GOWARIKAR, it is called CHITTAGONG,the uprising.
    Your comments about Satyajit Ray drags you to to the standard of BALWINDER, dimwit buffon.
    Ray’s “Nayak” won best film in Berlin Film Festival , was about a MATINEE IDOL hardly any source of poverty.Same with his DAYS AND NIGHTS IN FOREST about URBANE BENGALEE BHADROLOK , IS A COURSE MATERIAL IN LOS ANGELES FILM SCHOOL’
    His SATRANJ KE KHILADI was hailed as the greatest film on islamic India ever made by the prof of islamic history in Oxford(a brown man)

    A little learning is a dangerous thing

  • pankaj#1

    Rajiv/ Mahesh;
    I am not going to say some miracle word. Believe me, scientifically proven, EDUCATION IS THE BEST CONTRACEPTIVE, IF, COERCION IS NOT THE OPTION, A LA, CHINESE. IT WILL BE A GREAT TOOL AGAINST FEMALE INFANTICIDE TOO. Time consuming, but certain. Sorry to disappoint you, if you find this answer mundane. but it is a fact.

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    shan Reply:

    @pankaj#1, IT IS NOT MUNDANE , IT IS BACKED BY HARD DATA accrued by Economist and Social Scientist.There is another thing though .According to Prof nandy who has spent his whole life studying this ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTIVE MEASURES is also VERY IMPORTANT,like IUCD or whatever.

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  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    been to Novi in Michigan. Could not believe my eyes by the number of cars in huge parking lot of Rock Finacial Centre. Many Goras, parking lot attendants, Police man and Women( Protestants and Catholics both) helping in the smooth running of show. Those puny, blackish, India educated, mostly hindus, large number from haryana too, strutting, full of pride, celebrating Independence day. HAPPY 15 AUGUST.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am currently disgusted with Indian political landscape.
    1. Congress = Neo-fascists who are hell bent on muzzling freedom of speech and destroying institution. Biggest political terrorists.
    2. BJP = Neo-Nazis who believe that only muslims are responsible for all the ills in India. Stuck in stone age version of hinduism.
    3. CPI/Maoists = Communists less said the better.
    4. SP, BSP, RJD, JD(U) etc. = Casteists to the core.
    5. DMK, AIDMK, Shiv Sena, BJD, SAD = Regional minded parties.

    Indian politics is big mess…What independence are we talking about?

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Rajeev,

    You are right . Not only I am not celebratring Independence day I dont even feel like
    wishing any one the same. The standoff between governemnt and Anna Hazare team
    looks ominous. I fear civil unrest throughout the country. Hope better sense will prevail.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Rajeev

    In a sense the parties are all products of a democratic process. Of coure, it will be better to ahve fewer parties like in USA. Through their electoral system they have a “cake and eat it too”..other parties can contest, but only democrat/republicans can be president because of winner takes all.
    May be it is time to change .. I belive theerw ill be movements like Anna’s in future to tackle these.

    Dont lose hope.

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    shan Reply:

    The independence we are talking is about eating half a roti with hard earned money THAN BHEEKH of biryani leftovers from the colonisers. This is also as gandhiji said to the brits”Leave India to god, If that is too much , leave her to anarchy”
    This ANNA HAZARE IS A CLOWN , if he things he is right , he needs to wait another 2 years , win the election CREATE WHATEVER BILL YOU LIKE.This is Indian Democracy , NOT BANANA REPUBLIC ,YOU CANNOT UNDERMINE PARLIAMENT

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Rajeev

    One can look at a glass half full or half empty…our politicians, esp congress could have done more. (DMk, AIDMK have delivered goodies for Tamil Nadu)

    Modi said it right earlier in the day -. regarding the “congress politician posing with a poor man for a photo-op”, shouldn’t congress be ashamed in creating that poor man, after all these years of ruling and guiding the country!

    India does not have to be poor. Gujrat has demonstrated that it need not be..We have the smarties from IIM, IIT; let them take the Gujrat model, replicate it in other states.

    India does not have to be illiterate – Kerala has demonstrated long ago, almost 25 years ago, that 100% literacy is possible… again, let the smarties replicate it all over..

    It may be simplistic to assume that performance at a state level can be replicated acrosss the nation. Macro economy, social ssytems etc are no different from model testing, simulation, wind tunnels etc….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Can you believe thugs like Manish Tiwari are giving certificates of honesty to others?

    How is Rahul Gandhi any better than any one on this forum?

    India is effectively turning into a banana republic.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    ‘Kamamaya Evayam purusa ti
    Sa yathakam bhavati tat kratur bhavti
    yat kratur bhavati tat karma karute
    yat karma karute tat abhishampadyate”

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  • B.V .SHENOY

    What a beautiful INDIA….!
    Punjab for fighters
    Bengal for writers,

    kashmir For beauty,
    Andhra for duty,

    KARNATAKA for silk,
    Haryana for milk,

    kerala for brains,
    Tamil for grains,

    Orissa for temples,
    Bihar for minerals,

    Gujarat for peace,
    Assam for tea,
    >Rajasthan for history,
    >Maharastra for mango,
    It’s our nation we called it INCREDIBLE INDIA.
    Wish You Happy 65 th INDEPENDENCE DAY….!

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    It is not my own “construction”.

    Like most Indians, I too copy second rate “poems”, someimes.

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    shan Reply:

    @shenoy the RESIDENT POET LAUREATTE
    A little modification
    Instead of bengal for writers , it should be bengal for strikers
    Instead of tamil for grain ,it should be tamils for brains
    (Come to think of it who ever heard of tamil nadu being grannary of india
    And Gujrat for peace , should read gujrat for dhandha bees
    Karnataka for silk is a travesty , it should read Karanataka for indian science

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    B.V .SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    before I could “modify” the admittedly second rate poem, it went off as ’sent’.

    For your information, even though Tamilnadu is populated by poor people, the Kaveri basin districts are known as the rice grannery.

    I have attempted to re-shape the poem:

    Punjabis are famous for their ‘brawn’
    they fight every issue with swords drawn

    Gujaratis are known for their enterprise and milk
    even while killing, they cover the knives in silk.

    Bengalis are people who created gherao and strikes
    they preach false revolution on their bikes.

    Biharis pedal the Delhi roads with their cycle ricksha
    their wages are less than a Allahabadi sadu’s bhiksha

    Andhraite bristle at the idea of Telangana
    Not one in AP has heard of Fai’s friend, Angana.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Mayawati and her million statues
    jagan and his billion ripees
    Yeddy and his million acres
    Karuna with his state empire

    Sharad with his swiss accounts
    Kamal with his road projects

    And spectrum as a spectacle

    and Diggy says Muslim League not communal
    so we have unio becoz it is secular

    We have come a long way
    what is 65 years..a drop

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Shan/shenoy

    keep up the spirit of the independence day….engage in issue criticism/endorsement; no personal fouls —

    Looks like Shan has made a good beginning!

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes, Gopi;
    I agree with you here. Though Shan, almost always use profanity and insults in abundance, he may contribute, if he can restrain himself. I will regreat the day, when others will have to respond to him in kind. let us hope, this blog continues in its clean way, as of now.

  • pankaj#1

    Shenoy sahab;
    Again you have outdone your self.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Many future happy independence day to you all but current one is certainly not the happy one.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev ,WHY NOT

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Because fascist congress govt. is denying citizens right to protest. Anna may be wrong but you can not trample on the freedom to protest.

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  • http://- Rajeev
  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Mishraji, trek to Tunganath- great
    Sailing to Greece – great
    Weekends in Indian embassy- double great

    tell me Sirjee, who runs the clinic nowadays

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Several things to ponder on during this independence day..

    – World has discovered India, a great old country, for its heritage as well as its potential. We have not yet discovered this country!

    Yes, we have issues — all have issues. Let us stop denigrating our country at every turn. yes, China has 18 lane highways, Dubai has gleaming buildings… we appeciate that; but the next sentence does not have to be “but, see in India…”

    So, let us stop adding the “but” sentence .. whatever is the negative we are thinking of, let us turn that into a positive thing that we can help make better. We are a part of good and bad about the country. We have to take responsibility.

    This is “Arsha Bharatha..Rishis’ (“saints’) land –. place of knowledge… we believe in knowledge… let us make sure our leaders and politicians use our resources and ourselves to make the palce better..

    Happy independence day! Vande Mataram…

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  • Vijay Kumar

    =================================================================================
    ~~ :D :D ~~~ HAPPY & CHEERFUL INDIEPENDENCE DAY EVERYONE !! ~~~ :D :D ~~~
    =================================================================================

    Just back from a hectic day… which consisted of a morning attendence at the colony 15 August function, a cricket match…. and two hours of sleep !! And a meeting of friends.

    But before the clock strikes the midnight hour… I thought I must get in a posting :D

    @ Pankaj,

    Nice to know you are holding the Indian flag high in the US !! :D I could almost hear “mere desh ki dharti” when I read your posting …

    @ Shenoy

    A gr8 poen for the occasion !! :D

    @ Raju

    Thx for reminding everyone that there are tasks to be done…

    @ Rajeev

    Gr8 to hear from you. I am sure there is always room for optimism, even if the dark clouds of corruption are around.

    Ek din aisa aayega…
    jab hum in corrupt logon ko rondh denge… :D

    @ gopi

    Gr8 reading your post… whcih as susual was as always mature and balanced

    @ Dr Mishra

    Good to have u back. Hope U did enjoy the trek…. Now how I envy you !

    @ Balwinder

    Good to laugh and smile even when rioters were around. Keep up the spirits. Here is cheers with a lassi glass,,

    @ Rajiv

    Loved ur positve posting. What bout a diagnois on where India will go in next 10 years.

    @ MOhan

    Loved ur mail. See u in Dubai soon… :D

    @ Shan

    As others too have diagnosed, there is an inferiority complex at work somewhere. I think with this positve posting, you should staRT looking at India and Indians more positively :D Use your intelligence more positively ! Agala dashak hamara hai …

    As for tripping me… my dialogue,of the day… “Vijay Kumar ko pakadna…mushkil hi nahi… namumkim hai ! ”

    @ Vinod sharma and Prabhat…

    Where have the invisible men gone???? :D

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay kumar, firstly I am a surgeon , secondly I am from calcutta , To juxtapose inferiority complex with my name is like asking thierry henry whether he knows how to play football. As prabhat had remarked Modesty is not something you can ascribe to me.THAT DOES NOT MEAN I WILL BE OFFERING PLATITUDES AND PEDDLE FALSEHOODS IN THE NAME OF PATRIOTISM

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    My dear Vijay Kumar,

    a very nice, touching post, also tinged with your branded humour.

    Your tongue-in-cheek advice to Shaan Nirad Babu shows that you care for everybody, including those unfortunate Indians, who feel ashamed to call themselves Indian. I never tire of recalling Sir Walter Scott’s immortal poem on patriotism:

    “Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native land?
    Whose heart hath ne’er within him burn’d,
    As home his footsteps he hath turn’d,
    From wandering on a foreign strand?”

    This is apt for our modern day duplicate of Nirad Chaudhary.

    And it is good that you have seen the original/duplicate in the team of Vinodji& Prabhat.

    Also good to note you have addressed your post to only Indians, excluding, therein, the fakes and duplicates.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    Thx for the poem !!

    As far as Prabhat and VInod were concerned I just reminded them that Independece day does NOT mean Indepenence from this blog ! :D

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    shan Reply:

    @Konkan geezer, what an irony , had to turn to Sir walter Scott ,nothing in the konkan stable.

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  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    You naughty boy!!!!

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    Some time I have a feeling that I read/ hear some regionalism here. My bosom friend, a Maharashtrian, who is more hindi, than myself, attending his daughter’s marriage. I have yet to see a better marriage. Groom, Gujarati Patel, Bride, Maharashtrian brahmin, both lawyers from Top notch American Universities. Ghodi, is being managed by a Gori, huge animal, accalamtised to loud music of bhangra, Few Sikh Friends and public at large, dancing to catchy bhangra and bollywood music. Gora, videographer, shutting everything in Camera. Everyone is as patriotic to America as to India. Joota churane ki rasm se lekar all the maharashrian and Gujarati customs being followed to the end. Panditji is flown from far off Canada. Licensed to solemanize marriage, legally bound to Hindu couples. That is where we are going , my friends. A global community, with respect for every one.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    To – all the patriots, to all the people who know, that given the resources and a level playing field, the Indian civilization can achieve all-
    the patriots being- Rajiv, Rajeev, Shenoy, Gopi, Hegde, Kurien, Shoeb, Balwinder, Mohan, Mirza, Usman, Vijay, Drs Pankaj and Shah alam, Ashish, Rizwan

    Just back from India and saw it buzzing with enthusiasm and optimism

    and saw it ablaze with righteous anger at corruption

    to all my patriot friends above, pl let me resent a heroine of India, a modern Rani of Jhansi, who fights injustice like no other, who made ME CRY

    http://dotsub.com/view/062b3eb4-c8d2-441c-91dc-1f379f83d54a

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    THIS is also dedicated to shan, who worships western civilisation. nothing wrong with that, to each his own

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    this was also dedicated to Ravi, who explodes with virulence and vulgarity against hindus and hinduism and our Gods, fairly regularly
    Indian or Pakistani, who cares, this dedication is also for you
    After our beloved nihang Balwinder demolished you in the by now iconic POLITICISATION OF RAPE debate, here is this lovely lady doing/ disc it the right way

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    Many thanks.

    I shall wear your insults as a badge of honour.

    I do move in educated circles and I must admit, that none has disappointed me nearly as much as you have.

    Your acute sense of selective perception, when combined with an urge to make irrational judgements, effectively exaggerates your intellect to a level of mediocrity.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    happy independence day-

    on the trek to Tunganath- I felt closer to God, to nature, saw the incredible beauty of my country, of the Himalayas, saw a Garhwali who runs a Tibetan museum for free, whose humility and love for his country exceeds all in this blog
    Met so many wonderful Indians, did not meet this lady but hope I once will
    http://dotsub.com/view/062b3eb4-c8d2-441c-91dc-1f379f83d54a

    VINOD SHARMAJI, PLEASE GIVE HER WORK PUBLICITY

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    Well she is doing a good job…..

    But i do not believe she was gangraped by 8 men …

    These “Human right” do goodies just create story..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Very moving.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Mishraji,

    Heard the video you had posted . Touched my heart .

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  • pankaj#1

    Mishraji;
    Missed you here. Going to India in a couple of months. Would like to see, more of it before I start global tourism. Taking Son to India after long time, will do Eurpoe on way, but still attached to our culture, which is winning accolades here.

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  • shan

    A CLOWN CALLED MISHRA , sequel to the film A FISH CALLED WANDA , COMING AT A CINEMA NEAR YOU

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @Binoy, I think, like Pakistan;s Mukhtaran Mai, she started this difficult crusade only after suffering the horrendous experience of gang rape

    @shan and ravi- actually I did not wish to insult either of you, I was sharing the beauty and strength of Indian civilisation

    @Pankaj- doc saheb, I make it a point to take my children to India at least once a year, and I myself go back 2-3 times a year. I believe it keeps my children connected with their roots and India benefits from our tourism

    @ Ballu praaji- I am semi retired, work only 4 sessions PA out of 10. Just read your analysis about why riots happened- 50% divorce rate, absent fathers, scared teachers etc- SPOT ON- dont know why SHAN disagreed with you.
    in fact read articles by Dave Cameron, Meghnad Desai etc who are saying the same. Cameron has been saying for years, that segments our UK society are ‘broken’

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Gopi,

    you said, “Shan/shenoy

    keep up the spirit of the independence day….engage in issue criticism/endorsement; no personal fouls —

    Looks like Shan has made a good beginning!”

    I very rarely descend to abuse with respect to Shaan. Even when he calls me a corrupt bank manager, I find humour in his posts. Not that I have restrained myself in my selection of adjectives for this Bengali, who claims to be a doctor. But, honestly, I do not take offence to his style, because he is very very predictable, when he rises to great heights and descends to abominable depths.

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  • Mohan R

    Most of speech by our PM yesterday on Indepence day was dedicated to corruption.
    He talked about curbing the corruption and how they will leave no stone unturned to fight
    this menace. And, today the people who wanted to protest peacefully against the corruption
    are arrested. Sad very sad. Are we heading for an emergency ?

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  • vijay kumar

    In my haste to put in my posting before the midnight hour, I missed out a few names, views of whom I definately enjoy and react to

    @ Ashish

    I am still smiling at ur remark, “Want a nice guy… how bout my grandpa…”

    @ Dr Shah Alam,

    I dont know why you have reduced your visits here. At times I agree with you . At times I differ. But the viewpoint does trigger a debate in all of us…

    @ Rizwan

    Where are you. I hope Barkha is still not haunting ur dreams?? :D

    @ Saarthak

    Definately some good links… which came thru ur presensce here…

    @ Mirza

    Happy independence day !! Alway s feel proud that the cause of secularism is best served by people like you

    @ Binoy

    The view form the US is always welcome…

    @ Shoeb

    Succesfull Muslim businessmen are the best way to break sterotypes. Always gr8 to read ur posts.

    @ Usman

    Kahaan gayab ho bhai ? The liberal view from Pakistan was always welcome here. …

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    O my God! Vijay, you do remember me.

    Thanks a ton mate. My appearance is limited to subject and text of Mr Sharma and to some old fellows of the blog who dine and wine well and don’t add “paan ki pichkari”.

    Good Day,
    Usman

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Usman bhai, not just Vijay but also Dr Mishra mentioned you in his post above- I read it again and he seems to have included you in list of Indian patriots
    or maybe he just meant patriot and guest
    You are always welcome here

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Thank You Mr Balwinder Sandhu for your welcoming remarks.

    @Dr. Mishra
    My apology, couldn’t locate myself in your remarks earlier probably due to oversight. You deserve a special thanks for any good will gesture.

    Usman

  • Gopi Thomas

    Looks like this independence day will mark the beginning of another independence –independence from congress…

    Hazare’s arrest will accelerate their destruction.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Congress seems to be brain dead and tone deaf….

    Coopting with HAzare would have been a huge political victory…

    Arresting him and making him an issue will surely backfire while all know that there is so much corruption,

    Elections are not that far off…

    Trying to find what political benefit they will accrue…

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    okay Gopi, to take our mind off this depressing Anna’s arrest, let us take a break. on independence day- let us see the SAREE GOING GLOBAL
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos-news/Photos-Fashion/hollywoodactorsinsari/Article4-733003.aspx

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gopi,

    you are right there.

    Vinod Sharma’s stony silence and Prabhat’s graceless absence boith suggest that things have gone horribly wrong for the congress party, with dimwits ruling the roost.

    Arresting Anna Hazare seems to be a blunder of gigantic proportions and the two smarties, Khali Kapal Sibal and Chidambaram seem to have widened the exit route of MMS.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    MEETHI CHURI SEY QATAL
    ———————————–
    I notice how everyone upset with DR SHAN and his NIRODH CHOWDHRY style ‘lets embracewestern civilization’ ar %se licking
    so rajeev and vijay have a go at SHAN in their own way
    and you- Wah Mishraji, how you kill with a meethi churi. you say “”"@shan and ravi- actually I did not wish to insult either of you, I was sharing the beauty and strength of Indian civilisation”"”

    yet you drive your knife home, straight into their hearts

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    sorry mishraji, I am village rustic. And I do things my way-

    so please DR SHAN, YOU SIT DOWN ON THIS MEDICAL COUCH.
    Now tell me what is problem
    you have difficulty walking?
    cannot pass wind?
    tummy bloated?

    not to worry, SHAN saab. You see that thing going up your puny bakside- yes that is one big gora lingam. Puttar you have been carrying it too long
    now reach down and hold that lingam,
    got it? good
    now slowly ease it out, use a rotary motion
    OF COURSE ITS GOING TO HURT, YOU MORON-

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    the lingam is out now. Dr shan, you feeling better ?
    what did you say- you are missing the lingam ?!

    matron, pl come in quickly, pl dispose of that lingam in the incinerator. this fool will pass it up by himself

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    shan Reply:

    A CHALLA SIKH REVEALS HIS WITLESS SELF, A BUFFON EXTRAORDINAIRE, AN AIRHEAD ,AN ILLEGAL IN UK entered through kabuterbaji

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    with the “shwethalingam” out, Shaan Babu may feel wieghtless, witless and morose for a few days(post-operative symptoms).

    But then he may take a flying start and go off on a cruise to the north pole! He may even stop his abusive intrusion on this blog!!

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  • Binoy Hegde
  • shan

    @bloggers with intelligence(That excludes BALWINDER, shenoy , SMUG B Mishra, AH Rajiv)
    This why INDIA NEEDS TO EMBRACE WESTERN CIVILIZATION WITH OPEN ARMS
    “We have records of both , a painting of the grand dinner held in the tunnel when it was half way across, with father BRUNEL(Isambard Kingdom Brunel, the Newton of Khap haryana vijay kumar’s vocation)congratulating his son , and behind them a table full of notables. It is TYPICAL OF BRUNEL THAT IN THE NEXT BAY OF THE TUNNEL THERE WAS AN EQUALLY GOOD DINNER FOR A HUNDREED FIFTY OF HIS MINERS”
    Gopi Thomas , this is god’s own country , not your sex scandal and caste ridden place

    (Source the book CIVILIZATION by Kenneth Clark , page331-332)

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Shenoy
    surely this is one of your best ever- I am laughing so much hehe
    SWETHA- LINGAM

    for those who missed the jokes on SHAN pl start at 2.34 pm and scroll down
    for those who do not understand hindi- swetha- means white
    swetha lingam means SHAN has a gora lingam up his ….. ouch

    priceless

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    shan Reply:

    Balwinder has BROWN LINGUM UP HIS …… UMMMMM, FOR THAT IS SARDARS FAVOURITE WAY OF RELAXATION .
    I swear in the name of GOD , I had a SARDAR patient whose colon was perforated as he used a BANNANA , NOT THROUGH ORAL ******* , but the through the exit route.THIS IS A FACT NOT A JOKE

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  • pankaj#1

    Balwinder/ Shenoy;
    Janne bhi do yaaro!!!!Disagreement is something different, trading insults is different. Hope no more trade War.

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  • http://www.hoodaki.com/fareast/index.aspx Sandesh

    all for this make effort to do something which is support to my country development, actually our political parties has lack of will power to do something for India, there are requirement to make India towards Developed Country, I always see if any body want to fight against corruption then a lot of obstacle arrives in front of that people. So these are requirement to make India corruption-less and fearless.
    http://www.hoodaki.com/fareast/Index.aspx

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  • Anonymous

    See the funny side of news at site satiresofindia

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OHJK3TTRTRYEPDELSMR45CBEVI Raghavendra K

    sujata what did your great leader rajiv gandhi do when thousands of sikhs were murdered by die hard congressmen after indira gandhi’s assassination?
    rajiv gandhi becomes secular for people like you even if he quitely watched murder of sikhs in delhi and murder of muslims in bhagalpur.

    stop these blatant double standrads atleast now.
    i knwo your symathies always lie with congress party.

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  • Kushal

    Grin. There’s gotta be SOME reason you’ve been reading this blog for so long, Deb. Shared interests.

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  • Anonymous

    If I may suggest, please do watch Person of Interest by Jonathan Nolan.

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  • Vox Populi

    Inept foreign policy as well as economic policy. Outside of call rooms and BPOs there is much to show for our illiteracy and cramming.

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    Babu Khan Reply:

    Shut up hey ****

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  • s subramanyan

    We
    should strive to get the headquarters of the Brics Bank to India. Mumbai could
    be an ideal candidate. We have here one of the globally acclaimed central bank
    which had given us several experts in development banking functions too. Let us
    proudly tell the global nations of our stellar
    achievement viz. we score over China, we have a parliamentary democracy,
    conducted periodical elections in the
    last 60 years not with a small population,
    but with huge one covering different religions and communities and classes;
    our experienced institutions like the Election Commission, Lok Sabha and Rajya
    Sabha can help African nations to imbibe truly effective democratic processes
    and institutions like conducting fair and free elections and operate ; we have far
    excelled even Britain which claims to have the mother of parliament. Recall
    what Thomas Pakenham wrote in his monumental work of 1992 the Scramble for Africa: “…Britain launched a crash programme in nation-building. Constitutions
    were borrowed from elsewhere, hammered out overnight, parliaments were thrown
    up like theatre-props(designed to the westminster model including the Speaker’s wig), elections held, prime ministers lectured
    on the intricacies of British democracy.” We had under difficult and widely differing conditions
    in every facet, religion,caste and class etc -such as those obtaining in many
    African nations, conducted fair and free elections and built
    our own parliament with two houses and legislative assemblies in our states
    an experience which is nearer African environment. Lastly, our PM has had vast experience
    in this field. He is eminently qualified to pursue and achieve this goal of
    getting Brics bank to India and thus hep us serve Bric nations.

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  • vip- mop mop sweep sweeps

    I am just assuming if it sfact on foreigners then citizens of INDIA should thank Foreigners can at end of day can think, All you have been doing over decades afeter the independence in SOUTH EAST CONTINENT is bully bicker, act lazy and act nothing but fight and mud sling oneach other. Most of the politicians have failed in performing or delivering on right moral duties to serve citizens. Corruption, lack of vision how to run show, align priorties how to mange right population control and take robust moves to educate warn and alert people on their obligations towards the state and force feed in their conditioned braions by Babas that rights come with full responsibilty under citizens charter. Takers kahin ke and all in the name of Bhagwan by divering foolish ignorant mans attentions from all the right tasks.

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  • KP

    As usual,a very interesting view on BRICS bank by Mr.Pramit.The Soft power trumpcard could prove to be a game changer for both India and china

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  • Reader

    What a horrible, unsubstantiated piece of opinion. The argument is so shallow.

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  • balaji

    india should go forward more and more in all financial sectors of world like world bank/bricks banks , as it is unavoidable for progress/devlopment of country/world in future world …..

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  • Scholastiquesmith

    I think that India is so very popular country for the Arctic circle.

    http://www.prlog.org/12113774-guitar-center-promo-code-save-up-to-10-off-snap-shortly.html

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