Make lawyers accountable

@Vinod Sharma, you are giving only a very distorted picture. In India anybody can practice law after passing LLB , which in some states can be bought. VAST MAJORITY OF LAWYERS LIVE A THREADBARE EXISTENCE , and this is also source of corruptuion.A fact. I know this first hand. A friend of mine a gujrati in calcutta had entrusted a lawyer to fight the eviction of a tenancy suit. This fellow was advised NOT TO ENTERTAIN ANY SUMMON BY COURT, at the end because nobody contested the suit , the LANDLORDwas awarded the eviction order because my friend being ex parte. It turned out the landlord had paid my friend’s lawyer to subvert the case. and people talk about how slow things move , in this case the Bayliff (a british legacy) was there first thing in the morning , AND LITERALLY THREW OUT OF THE FLAT WITH THEIR POSSESION ON THE ROAD. I know such detail , because , I arranged for his belongings to be transferred to my flat for safe keeping. Most of the lawyers in lower court are jokers.
In UK there is a system called Legal Aid , anybody whose income is in indian terms say below 400000Rs /annum is entitled to it. THAT LEAVES VAST MAJORITY OUT, AND THE PAIN IS ACUTELY FELT BY WOMEN IN DIVORCE SUITS AND CUSTODY , husband can afford top lawyer and gets custody .
Only thing good about UK justice system is THE LEGAL SOCIETY. On two occasion two lawyers TRIED TO MILK ME , i complained , immediately all my monet was refunded.
ALSO THE SNAIL LIKE PACE OF LEGAL SYSTEM is used to bring bogus suits and deliberate NON PAYMENT OF GOVT TAXES BILLS ETC.
So first the supply of lawyers should be restricted, next poor people should have free access to a POOL OF LAWYERS who gets a fixed fee./case. Though I get the feeling the whole purpose of this article IS TO HAVE A DIG AT , YOU KNOW WHOM

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Journalists can make money, but not lawyers/

There should not be any limit on fees charged by lawyers..Market system will take care of the fees.
However, if there are practices such as “negative retention” (I was nota ware of this),those should be banned and participants – both givers and receivers- should be sentenced.

Lokpal should include judges and not lawyers. Lawyers are private citizens and not public servants. Let the judges resign from the bench and practice law if they do not want to be under lokpal.

Legal system of course should be refined and restructured – time limits, what can be classified as a candidate for a court case, appeal limits, etc etc.

Lawyers in US make tons in class action suits, like the tobacco case- they get a cut of the settlement.

I believe Supreme court should collectively decide case — majority vs minority rather than the individual benches. Corruption will be less because manay judges will have be bribed instead of the majority of a bench! (what a sad situation!)

The more I think about it, the more everything points to the stupid British system we inherited….

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Justice is expensive everywhere. Its a real challenge and a dilemma. In USA too, justice is very expensive and for the poor, the court appointed legal representation is of very poor quality too. They are more interested in getting a plea bargain irrespective of guilt or innocence of the client.
In a traffic related incident when I approached a lawyer, he said that he would try to transfer the case to the court of a certain judge, to whose election , he had financially contributed.

Its not an easy problem to solve. Penalizing frivolous suits, punishing misrepresentation by lawyers and resolving cases inside a mandatory time frame can help mitigate it.

However I am wondering, how come suddenly Congress/Mr Sharma is enthusiastic about ..

1. Laws against Yoga instructors practicing politics
2. Laws against Godmen
3. Laws against civili society engaged in law making
4. Laws against Lawyers..

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Vinod Sharma rarely writes an article which is devoid of politics. So I was intrigued to read the title of the piece and when I began reading it, a question began nagging as to what made Vinodji write this piece of inanity. That was until I reached the fifth para of the article. And then suddenly there was light and I had reached the end of the tunnel. The core issue was two lawyers pushing themsleves to the forefront of the Jan Lokpal bill movement!

We already know that Vinodji has an issue with these two lawyers, who have something to do with a CD that suddenly appeared at Vinodji’s doorstep one fine morning(or in the middle of the night); we also know that Dalaal Amar Singh is somehow in the middle of the duplicating business,now that he is a sadak-chhaap as far as affiliations go.

Is it therefore an attempt to do a ‘munni badnaam’ act against the lawyer tribe as a whole?

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~ LAWYERS NEED TO BE CHECKED… especially kapil Sibal, Manish Tewari and Singhvi~

I am in the middle of a family celeberation. But tempted enough to say our lawyers like Sinal and Tewari ase lies effectively to fool the public. How do we check them. \

Prabhat and Vinodji please please please suggest

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I think Vinod Sharma is targetting Lawyers speaking against Congress govt.
He is just doing his job.

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Nice to be back on land, even if a bit sun burnt!! Next time will buy what the goras buy- sun tan lotion and moisturisers !
Now let me broaden the debate, all of these (if not in govt service) need to be regulated and penalised if they act in an unprofessional manner-

Doctors
Lawyers

I am a doctor and I will be the first to admit that unless controlled by a tough body like the GMC in UK, doctors are notorious at milking the system and letting malpractice be swept under the carpet.

Lawyers are even worse, but more important than making laws to govern them is a Code of conduct that a regulatory body is meant to draft in UK. And if you dont like a lawyer’s conduct you can take them to an ombudsman. So have a Law Society with teeth in India, and have an ombudsman, but dont bring the Lokpal into this.
That would dilute the Lokpal and make it very messy. Right now India must be FOCUSSED- an ombudsman to tackle corruption and to have the powers to investigate MPs, PM and Judges.

Leave the lawyers for later, Do not obfuscate, do not delay the process of the Lokpal
But the Lokpal

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and fully agree with Shoeb above, who has written well as always, let the market decide the fees. Only problem is there should be legal aid for the poor

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Vinod;
Back here, lawyers are accountable to certain extent, though rogues are still there. In Indian situation, things are deplorable. In yester years, almost all of our leaders were pleaders but now, I will not give them any honour, the best could be good professional minus maoral.

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@rajeev, there was a discussion in newsnight in BBC . I think viewers in India will also get to see, for BBC india does transmit these programme.The talk was about china’s economy taking over america in a few years time. in the panel was Irwin Stelzer a famous economist (murdoch’s adviser)with Hudson institure.The other was a chinese lady another a american academic.
What I fail to understand is whatever china is ASSEMBLING or PRODUCING can be done in Bangladesh, but why bangladesh cant. the answer is 1artificially lowered exchange rates 2,NO UNION
3. slave wages. Would anybody explain how else it is possible.
Also a country is judged by its TECHNOLOGICALPROWESS.When did we hear about a chinese game changer invention. It is true MILITARILY they are growing like hell , though still miles away for DASSAULT RAPHAElL, or american JSF. China doesn’t have an aircraft carrier . AMERICA LAUNCHED ITS 13TH NUCLEAR POWERED AIRCRAFT CARRIER , GEORGE H BUSH.
India was not mentioned for a second.

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Whatever happened to the market rule? I don’t quiet understand what difference does it make? If there’s any need for reforms of judicial system along with the legal profession, what you need is to make these big shot lawyers responsible for training young lawyers and pay them enough salary/fee. India is the only developed legal system in the world where junior lawyers work for literally no money in the beginning of their career and senior lawyers have no obligation to train a certain number of young lawyers. Moreover, they claim the right to block international law firms’ entry into India. I agree that these big shot lawyers are proving really bad but mainly for the legal professionals themselves and not really for the society. If you really want to regulate the profession, require them to earn legal training points by training young lawyers. Legal profession in our country is dying and has forced young lawyers like me to look for alternatives, which we don’t really want to but we have to.

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I think most of you must have seen this documentary on 26/11. Two things that stand out are-
1. Incompetence of Mumbai Police
2. Irresponsible media who helped pakistani handlers guide 10 terrorists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s34koAajDQ

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The topic is contentious and has many dimensions. .
However for the moment , as Mr Vinod has cited the example of Mr M C Setalvad former AG, we cannot avoid comparing him with the conduct of the present AG Ghulam E Vavanhati who has faced questioning by the CBI and whose name keeps cropping with regard to the Scams.
Neither he has the decency to quit nor does the government of the day has any qualms in retaining his services

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@ Prabhat

If Vinodji maksad is the Bhushans… well no cmment. But yes if it is about the tricks lawyers have played to delay justice ask me anything !

Lawyers as a community have become bad and tainted ! While I would say we have some of the best and most eloquont lawyers of the world, I would unhesitatingly state that those in criminal law are unbashedly supporting criminals , the moment htye take yp their case.

For example Ram Jethamalani. Decades back he would bail out Haji Mastan and today he asks for freedom for Kanimozhi and Vikas Yadav and Manu Sharma. Why? Well he claimed Manu Sharma was innocent and some mysterious tall Sikh had fired the bullets at Jessica. And in case of Kanimozhi… what is a crime… she is a woman with a womb… a maa, behen and biwi !

Or say Abhishek Manu Singhvi. Who was legal counsel for Union Carbide and earned his money and also advised the lottery lobby agains the Govenrment for money.

The list can be made million long. The basic problem is the criminal justice system is based on two rival fighting it out in court and not about searching for the truth. We seriously need to go back to the jury system as well as explore methods of arbitration where two parties try to resolve disputes.

Lawyers especially the highfyong ones hate this appoach. After all it is a quesiton of rozi roti.///

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Those who advocate jury system are the ones who are gallivanting about their “indianness”
JURY SYSTEM IS A BRITISH SYSTEM ,which was junked after independence , THE ONLY RADICAL ACTION TAKEN POST INDEPENDENCE. juries are picked from ordinary citizens , THERE WILL BE CORRUPTION GALORE, also the process of selecting jury will delay the already snail like pace of justice in India. To clear all the pending cases in indian courts at this pace will take 150 yrs , AND THIS IS HARD STATISTICAL FACT NOT A RHETORIC

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FUTURE NEWS

Kasab dies at 85 in jail.

Golmaal 27 will be released next month. Tushar Kapoor is still unable to
speak or act.

Sharad Pawar and his family owns half of the world.

A girl in Delhi travels 50 feet safely.

Lakshdweep Tigers to be the 63rd team to join IPL.

Facebook is declared a country.

Grandson of A.Raja along with daughter of Priyanka Wadhera involved in 8G scam.

Pakistan wants Tamil Nadu and China has staked their claim on Mahrashtra. Our PM says
that these issues can be resolved by peaceful talks.

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I lawyer was standing outside a court and his both hands were in his pockets. One of my
friend saw this and commented – ” This is the first time I am seeing a lawyer whose hands
are is HIS OWN pocket “

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Please read as whose hands are in HIS OWN pcokets.
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Here is an interesting, true strory.

In the early 1900’s the Maharaja of Porbandar was challaned by the Bombay police for entering a street on his horse-cart, which was prohibited. He hired K.M.Munshi, the leading lawyer of Bombay to defend him. But Munshiji never asked the Maharaja about the details of the incident, which worried the Maharaja no end, because his prestige was at stake.

On the day of the hearing, the lawyer asked the policeman who had challaned the king, what the law was under which he was challaned. The policeman recited the law: this street is prohibited for horse-drawn carts”. Munshiji asked him, “did you look between the animal’s hind legs?”
He replied “No”. Munshiji then addressed the judge, “My lord, my client’s cart was drawn not by horses, but by a pair of mares, which your law doesn’t prohibit”. The judge had a hearty laugh and dismissed the case against the Mharaja.

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I read this in India Today.

Dentist to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh: At least in my clinic, please open your mouth.

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Headline on CNN-IBN website

Cabinet reshuffle likely; Sonia begins appraisal.

I thought , the Constitution of India provides for the PM of India to constitute his Council of Ministers and and assign portfolios.
But then the Indian PM is a mere formailty who refuses to open his mouth even for the Dentist.

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Old saying: Bhagwan dushman ko bhi doctor aur wakil ke chakkaron se bachaye (or similar).

Journalists also need to be added in the same category sooner than later.

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This again is a true story that happened in the Munsif court in Mangalore several decades ago.

The lawyer had almost lost a case in which his client was being tried for committing a fraud. When the magistrate was about to announce the judgement, the defence lawyer requested him to to hold it. He said “I have just received an evidence that would prove my client’s innocence”, and he gave a file to the magistrate. The magistrate opened the file and saw its contents and told the lawyer, rather sternly, “you are very careless. Having such a clinching evidence why did you wait till the last moment?” The file contained five one hundred rupee notes!

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@ Shoeb

law has became a rabid animal in the hands of the corrupt police and chaloo lawyers. We need to simplify and aim for justice and not how much lawyers earn…

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Modern day Jesus-
Meet the magician who walked across a river on foot!

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/jun/280611-magician-walks-on-water.htm

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This is true face of our LAW MAKERS who are ELECTED and ELECTABLE.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13692575
Why India is in dire need of electoral reform
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Faith in politicians has eroded in India
India’s democracy is facing serious challenges.

Nearly a third of MPs – 158 of 543, to be precise – in the parliament face criminal charges. Seventy-four of them face serious charges such as murder and abduction. There are more than 500 criminal cases against these lawmakers.

These MPs hail from across the political spectrum.

Twelve of the 205 MPs or 5% of the lawmakers in the ruling Congress Party face criminal charges. The main opposition BJP fares worse with 19 of 116 – or more than 16% – of its MPs facing charges. More than 60% of the MPs belonging to two key regional parties, Samajwadi Party and Bahujan Samaj Party – who profess to serve the poor and the untouchables – face criminal charges.

Then there are allegations of rampant vote-buying by parties, especially in southern India.

The Election Commission seized more than 600 million rupees ($13.3m; £8.3m) in cash in Tamil Nadu in the run-up to the state elections in April. It believes that the money was kept to buy votes.

In an US embassy cable leaked by WikiLeaks in March, an American official was quoted as saying that one Tamil Nadu party inserted cash and a voting slip instructing which party to vote for in the morning newspapers – more innovative than handing out money directly to voters. The party concerned denies the charge.

Independent election watchdogs believe that candidates routinely under-report or hide campaign expenses. During the 2009 general elections, nearly all of the 6753 candidates officially declared that they had spent between 45 to 55% of their expenses limit.

After the recent state elections – in three states and one union territory – elected legislators declared that that the average amount of money spent in their campaigns to be only between 39% and 59% of their limits in their official declarations. A total of 76 legislators declared that they did not spend any money on public meetings and processions.

There is something seriously amiss in the state of democracy in India. That is why, most believe, the country urgently needs electoral reforms.

Nearly a third of MPs face criminal charges
India’s most respected election watchdog Association For Democratic Reforms (ADR) has rolled out a pointed wish-list to clean up India’s politics and target corruption. I am sharing some of them:

Any person against whom charges have been framed by a court of law or offences punishable for two years or more should not be allowed to contest elections. Candidates charged with serious crimes like murder, rape, kidnapping and extortion should be banned from contesting elections. India’s politicians have resisted this saying that opponents regularly file false cases against them.
To stop candidates and parties seeking votes on the basis of caste, religion and to stop divisive campaigns, a candidate should be declared a winner only if he or she gets more than 50% plus one vote. When no candidate gets the required number of votes, there should be a run-off between the top two candidates.
Voters should have the option of not voting for any of the candidates.
A law against use of excessive money in elections by candidates.
Despite the clamour for the state funding of elections, it is still not clear how much elections cost in India. Political parties do not come clean on their revenues and expenses, and until there is a clearer picture of how much they spend, it will be difficult to fix an amount. So political parties should give out verifiable accounts, which should be also available for public scrutiny.
The desire for electoral reform is not new.

Since 1990, there have been at least seven hefty comprehensive government-commissioned reports for such reforms.

The Election Commission of India has been saying since 1998 that candidates with pending criminal cases against them should not be allowed to contest.

If there is an overwhelming consensus about these reforms, why have governments sat on it for more than two decades? Ask the politicians.

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~~ ~~ GOOD LAWYERS ARE NOT THOSE WHO PRACTICE LAW… THEY PRACTICE THE

L O O P H O L E ~~~ ~~

When all the law books have been written, why do some lawyers earn more. Well the know the loophole… !

I think time is we close all the loopholes so that the law remans the same in case you employ a Kapil Sibal or when you employ a roadside lawyer on a wooden chair. But will the Sibals, Tewaris, Jethmalanis and Singhvies tolerate this ???

I bet not. SO take it from me. The more lawyers we have in top echleons. the more the chances of law becoming more complex… Remember even Jawhar Lal Nehru was a barrister at law. And so was one MOhammad Ali Jinnah. ( though Zardari recently questioned his degree)

But here one must remember the real lawyer who was for justice– Gandhi. Who would first ask his client whether he was innocent and then take up the case.

The larger principle still remains getting justice. So again the need of reforming the present system to that of a jury and also of arbiteration councils.

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Shan,
I googled your question and found this-
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-wb-assembly-bengal-has-most-criminal-mlas-tn-most-crorepatis/20110517.htm

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Dear Vinod, Just saw your question – ‘ @Dr Mishra, But are you comfortable with negative retainers and lawyers seeking cuts in properties under dispute? ‘

My answer- no, Vinod, I am uncomfortable with both. But this is where one needs to define whether it is -
1. Illegal
2. Legal, but breaches a recommended code of conduct.
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For example, here in UK, when I see a patient in a govt hospital, it would be ILLEGAL if I prevented his routine admission and suggested that he be treated by me in a private hospital.
But, if during a consultation in the govt hosp, even if I slyly just left a pack of private visiting cards lying on the table, than I would be breaching a code of conduct which would be frowned upon.
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India needs both of these in every walk of life- tough laws and high standards of professional behaviour

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@ all

Check out this interesting video/talk on corruption :

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_eigen_how_to_expose_the_corrupt.html

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Vijay,
If you get time, please do watch the documentary that I posted on 26/11. What I want to say is that India needs reforms in many fields-
1. Media reform – it was media who gave exact locations of hotel guests and NSG commnado in live broadcast which was skillfully used by handlers across the borders to direct attacks.

2. Police reform – The Mumbai police who likes to be called scotland yard was sitting duck when 10 terrorists attacked Mumbai. The did not put even mild resistance till NSG arrived. This police force can only work as dalals between corporates, underworld and politicians.

3. Electoral reforms – One of the guest in Taj was a politician who gave live interview to a TV channel while hiding and when stupid reporter asked where he was hiding that idiotic politician gave exact location thus helping terrorists locate 200 guest hiding in chambers.

The people like Vinod Sharma can not think beyond politics. They want everyone else except themselves and their master accountable. He is advocating for reforms in legal field but what about police-politician-corporate nexus that is root of all the problems.

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Shan,
As is your norm you have once again not read my post but just rushed to rebut it in a manner that is extremely shrill and random.
Please note that my comment above did NOT relate to emergency surgery or tumours.
It also spoke exclusively about a referral in a PRIVATE setting and discusses the subtle and sophisticated nuances of a relationship between a GP and a Consultant, of which you know nothing at present since you are a trainee.
You have a long way to go before you acquire the maturity and dignity which are the hallmarks of a doctor. You seem to have an obsessive tendency to blog and try and hog the limelight.

You have also been slammed by other doctors here like Dr Pankaj for your behaviour- he called you a loose cannon; and most of the respected and senior members here consider you with disdain and faint contempt.
If possible, please do try and change, I am typing not with anger but out of concern for you for I am worried that you must behave so in real life as well.
Best wishes from a senior, Dr Mishra, Yorkshire

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Yesterday I had jokingly posted future news. In that I had mentioned that China is
staking claim on Mahrashtra. Sadly it may becaome a reality in future.

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/06/29/demchok-ladakh/

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@ Rajeev

The more I get to know about the media the more disapointed I get. And I do have some close friends in the media….

The fact is most– except those in national TV channels are not very well paid. They end up taking politcal sides. At the centre it is either BJP or Congress. In Haryana it is literally Congress now. In UP it is BJP/BSP/Mulayam or Congress. Very few remain dispassionate now. In Tamil Nadu you are either pro Jaya or pro Karuna.

Sad fact is many many politician control the news media. The Kalaignar and Sun TV is just the tip of the iceberg.

Many like Rajiv Shukla/ Prabhu Chawla have become fixers and postion seekers.

The dedicated newshound wanting to break a story for the good of the peorple and country is difficult to find. Instead it is usully a sensation driven effort to get the TRP ratings or eyeballs.

I think the independent media like the net needs to be made stronger where a wide variety of views gets aired.

As for police… reforms. DOnt know how it can start. It would really need an upright HOme Minister to start the chain reaction. I had high hopes on Advani once. And then on Chidambaran. Yet both have failed me.

At the end of the day institutions have to be stroang with checks and balances. SO that even a bad police officer cant spoil the show.

And somehow it rally boils down to REFORMING THE LEGAL SYSTEM… WHERE SO CALLED FAMOUS LAWYERS DONT MANAGE TO BAIL OUT HIGH FLYING CLIENTS…

WHERE JUSTICE IS DELIVERED IN WEEKS AND NOT DECADES…

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@ VINOD sHARMA

Can there be a provision in law where lawyers are punished for pushing in false arguments to delay justice. It happens in most cases– keep getting dates for your client– get a stay order etc etc.

I’ll take high profile cases to press my point

— In the Sanjeev Nanda case the BMW was replaced with a truck. A new story created. Justice was denied and delayed. The state had to spend crores more

— In the Jessica Lal case Mr Jethmalani suddenly created a story of a tall Sikh who had fired a bullet and disappeared. It may sound fun and a Perry Mason style episode. But ultimately the aim was to derail justice. In the end the prosecution had to spend so much more effort to derail this fictional defence.

Sadly in most criminal cases in court which dont get publicity such sort of lies are common. This is a big reason for justice being denied and delayed. That is why I am again stating

—> There should be punishement for lawyers who derail justice by fictional arguments. In fact the lawyer should testify that to the best of his knowledg what he is saying in the court has NOT BEEN CREATED BY HIM.

—> Most disputes can be sorted out without lawyers and courts in the present format. Like arbiteration panels and juries. Why not explore that route? For example landolord tenant dipsutes which probably take up 20% of all cases in court. In case there is a law which has a standard registereed rent agreement which cannot be challenged then all these cases would just vanish.

Ultimately the aim of the state should be justice. And not making lawyers happy…

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@ MOhan

You bet there are too many laws in this country and end up becoming tools for harassment. The law for dringking in Maharashtra is stupid and wrong. Somehow the COngress government has pushed to to make NO one happy.

You know there is some hidden law in this country that if you have a foreign passport holder/national staying at your home you need to inform the police??

Some years back I was dropping some German friends to the Delhi Airport. Just then the cops stopped us and asked me who my guests were and where had they stayed. When I told them that they were not from Pakistan or some enemy country and just friends who had stayed at my place, the cops brandished some law that I should have informed the police and now we need to go to th police station.

Well you can imagine the scene. It was 2.10 in the night. We were four kilometres for the airport. And already sort of late for the flight.

This was not the time to debate on the pedantic laws India has. Neither was I in the mood for giving him ghoos

I jumped out of my car and did what I should not have– raised my voice.

“Call Ajay now…” I said. “Tell him you are stopping Vijay Kumar from reaching the airport.”

“Ajay who?” The cops said nonplussed.

“Sharma… Ajay Sharma…” I blustered, hoping against hope that I had got the name of the Delhi Police commssioner right.

Both the cops looked at each other.
I took out my cellphone. ” Should I call him myself…”

My phone had a number of one Ajay Sharma, who is a supplier of computer stationary and has an office in Connought Place. I have fed his number in my phone as Ajay Sharma CP.

I showed the cop my mobile. ” SHould I call the Commissionar police now and tell him that you want ghoos from foreigners…. ”

The cops literally shat in their pants. The turban of one of them almost flew in the sky.

“SOrry sir.. sorry sir… ” Thye mumbled.

As I drove to the airport moments later, my car was rocking with laughter. Germans are known to be a stern race, but my German freinds were falling on to the floor of the car…

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Since this blog is about lawyers, I want to narrate a piece of recent history about a lawyer.

His name is PV Narasimha Rao. He holds a master’s degree in law. While our media has created a JNU kind of history about our economic reforms, it is time the record is set straight.

Narasimha Rao is the original reformer. Manmohan Singh was only the head clerk in the finance ministry. Left to himself Singh wouldn’t have managed it even for six months. It was only Rao’s astute leadership at the most crucial period of our country’s history, that India could later boast of an economy freed of the cob-webs of the control-permit-quota Raj.He laid the foundation for the fantastic growth rates of the ensuing years.He also changed our country’s foreign policy. From being a prisoner of the non-aligned movement we became a country which developed friendships according to the country’s needs.

But he was meted out the most humiliating parting gift by Sonia Gandhi, when his dead body was kept outside the gates of congress Head office for hours waiting for permission from the supremo, which never came! Later there was deliberate smear campaigns and the party disowned him completely.

According to the party,

Narasimha Rao, as home minister was responsible for the massacre of 4000 Sikhs in 1984!
He was, as PM responsible for the demolition of the Babri Masjid!!
But the credit for economic reforms goes to MMS as finance minister!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday was his 90th birthday, which his party completely forgot to celebrate.

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Shenoy Saab

The PM of India opened his mouth today before 5 carefully selected Print Media Editors. I opened the websites of the national dailies , and found all have filed stories based on Agency Reports.When I opened the Agency Site , I found they have filed their stories based on briefings given by some of the Editors after they came out. How come a highly acclaimed academic and a ‘Liberal” PM has become so restrictive and lacking in confidence.
And this happened after TN Ninan ,Editor, Business Standard called him a ” PM -in -Hiding “, and some other popular commentators like B Raman and even Chidamabaram went public that it is time he opened his mouth.

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@ Praveen Saxena

yeh sab kamal Digvinashes aur Yuvraj ka hai. They feel they can replace the PM on his fourth year to make Yuvraj the PM. MMS probably feels he is being used. And all his achievements ( if any ) will be proclaime dby the COngress yes men to be that of the intellectually challenged Yuvraj.

MMS’ heart is no longer in the job…

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SHAN nirad babu,
sorry trying to recover from my disc surgery but your utterly stupid take on the CODE OF CONDUCT for doctors in UK drew me in.
let me give my own example- I saw a top spinal surgeon in london clinic- dr sutclife. His letter to my GP later started- ‘ I hope you do not mind my seeing Mr Sandhu without referral letter from you….

My GP replied to him – copy to me- that he DID mind because the local surgeon in Spire hospital could do the same operation- but only 3 miles from my house… To cut a long story short, I got operated locally, my local physio comes home everyday !!! and I have to thank my GP-
SO ONCE AGAIN SHAN YOU COMPLETE IDIOT, you speak garbage whenever you contradict others. You said you are a junior doing exams in rubbish Eastham hospital- you certainly do not know the DELICATE interactions between GP and consultants in private rooms
I also saw you call VIJAY wanker etc- disgusting. behave like a doctor and follow BMA code of conduct

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@ Vijay;
As I was growing in India finishing my school and college studies, people in Assembalies and Parliament, use to be, if not all, many of them, outstanding people in their field. They had earned much respect out side the political field and will not indulge in corruption and petty behaviour inside or outside assembaly and/ or parliament. Present Parliament, I hardly find a person, who can command any respect. Almost all of them appear third tier politicians in general and at best, second tier politicians. nothing more.
All the Institutions appear decayed and you feel disgusted with any interaction with Governmental institutions.

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I also did the sin of giving Ghoos (Rs.20) but it was for the purpose of shaming.
I was in Margao, Goa during 1997-1998. Although Goa is very western but at that time its infrastructure especially roads were even worse than Bihar. It did not even have a decent Cinema hall at that time.
Anyway I got confused and entered one way from opposite side by mistake (just behind Margao market) and as expected was intercepted by Cop before I could turn around. He asked me to come on the side and wait. I waited for 15-20 minutes but I didn’t hear back from cop then one of the hawkers on the road said to me “Sahib wo Bees rupaiye ka intezaar kar raha hai..De do usko”. I was puzzled but that I thought bechara mama ghoos maangne me sharma raha hai.
As I was a total ANARI in the field of giving ghoos, I pulled out Rs.20 out of my pocket in public and gave it to cop. That guy panicked and started saying “Kya kar rahe ho..Sabke saamne nahi dene ka..jao jao..”. He didn’t even take Rs.20 and I left the spot.

All I want to say is that corruption exists everywhere but in some place corrupts are shy to ask for bribes openly. I wish we had more people like this in India who are not honest but at the same time not openly corrupt.
Kyon Vinodji sahi kahan naa?

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Here is very informative article on Congress’s attempt to subvert contitutional institutions including Judiciary.

http://dailypioneer.com/348975/Dark-days-of-Emergency.html
Dark days of Emergency
June 27, 2011 11:49:42 PM

A Surya Prakash

We must never forget the Congress’s suppression of democratic rights during the 1975-77 Emergency. The party remains authoritarian as ever.

That an extra-constitutional centre of power controls much of what transpires in the Union Government is a fact that is far too well known both within the country and outside. It is also no secret that the Congress president, Ms Sonia Gandhi, who became that supra-constitutional authority after the 2004 general election soon after the appointment of a pliable party man as Prime Minister, regularly exercises her veto power and keeps a tight rein on the Government.

The Congress, however, does not see this as violative of any principle, constitutional or otherwise, because the presence of such extra-constitutional entities is part and parcel of the party’s concept of governance. Since the Nehru-Gandhis play a pivotal role in the affairs of the Congress, the party runs on the premise that members of the dynasty need no formal office to run the affairs of state.

Contrary to popular belief, this process began during the days of Jawaharlal Nehru when his daughter, Mrs Indira Gandhi, began dabbling in politics and even got her father to appoint her as the president of the Congress in the later part of the 1950s. The exercise of extra-constitutional power by members of this family came to be seen in a rather aggravated form in the mid-1970s when Sanjay Gandhi, as president of the Youth Congress, started issuing diktats to Union Ministers and Chief Ministers.

This approach to governance crossed the limits of decency during the dreaded Emergency in 1975-77. So appreciative was Mrs Indira Gandhi of the work of Sanjay Gandhi that she used her brute majority in Parliament to extend the term of the 1971-76 Lok Sabha by a year. This dreadful phase only ended when the people threw out the Congress in a belated general election called by her on the basis of ‘intelligence’ inputs that suggested that the people were with her.

This is the history of governance a la Congress, but many members of the Government led by this party pretend as if none of this happened or probably hope that much of this has been wiped off public memory. But those who have an abiding commitment to democracy should never let this happen because to forget the days of tyranny is to re-invite trouble. That is why for the sake of democracy, one needs to recall the dark days of the Emergency on its anniversary, which fell on June 25. This annual reminder has become all the more necessary in view of the anti-democratic tendencies displayed by the Congress even in the era of coalitions.

For instance, Anna Hazare and several other concerned citizens have announced their intention to agitate if the Government does not yield to their basic demand for a strong anti-corruption law that will bring everyone from the Prime Minister downwards within its ambit. The Congress, however, is hell bent on scuttling this move because of its traditional unease with independent institutions. Since the days of Nehru, the Congress has ensured that only ‘pliable’ party members are appointed Governors in the States. Similarly, it has always ensured that persons capable of independent judgement are not appointed as Election Commissioners.

The party also campaigned openly during the Emergency against an independent judiciary and media. One need only visit Parliament debates on the Constitution 42nd Amendment Bill to know the extent to which the party was willing to go to brow beat the judiciary, the media and a few upright bureaucrats. People like CM Stephen openly campaigned for a “committed judiciary” — committed not to the Constitution of India but to the Congress.

Nothing much has changed over the decades. The effort has always been to appoint party sympathisers or persons of dubious distinction to such constitutional offices. The best example of this in recent times is the appointment of Mr Navin Chawla, who was declared “unfit for any public office” by the Justice Shah Commission of Inquiry set up to look into abuse of power during the Emergency, as Election Commissioner. Another example of the Congress’s brazen contempt for norms was the appointment of a man who is an accused in a corruption case as head of the Central Vigilance Commission.

All this is indicative of the Congress’s fear of independent institutions. Given this background, it is indeed strange to hear sermons from Union Ministers like Mr Kapil Sibal and Mr P Chidambaram on the virtues of constitutionalism. Recently, they addressed the media together and hit out at ‘civil society’ and the demand for a strong Lok Pal by saying that it does not make sense to run a Government but allow “decisions to be taken outside”. The other argument against a strong Lok Pal was that the Government “cannot create a structure parallel to the Government”. The two Ministers also wondered how the Government “can wantonly part with its power”.

But, is this not what the Manmohan Singh Government has been doing for the last seven years — “wantonly parting with its power” to an extra-constitutional authority called Ms Sonia Gandhi? That is why this argument is rather weird when it is made by Congress Ministers. Even more laughable was Mr Chidambaram’s argument that “there is a Constitution, the basic features of which cannot be altered”.

Dozens of Congress MPs and leaders have condemned the doctrine of ‘Basic Structure’ propounded by the Supreme Court, both within Parliament and outside. Members of this party had even warned Supreme Court judges who propounded the doctrine that the party had its “methods” to teach them a lesson. That is why one must be wary of the false respect that Ministers like Mr Chidambaram show towards the idea of the basic structure of the Constitution and the lip service that they offer to the inviolability of this principle.

Finally, let the anniversary of the Emergency also remind us of the dreadful constitutional ‘amendments’ that the Congress introduced during 1975-77, placing the Prime Minister above the Constitution, curbing the powers of the Supreme Court and the High Courts, and giving the President the right to amend the Constitution through an executive order. These ‘amendments’ destroyed the foundations of a democratic Constitution.

Since the Congress still remains committed to extra-constitutionalism and to the appointment of pliant, unworthy persons to high constitutional offices, one should constantly be on one’s guard. The anniversary must remind us of the sacrifices made by lakhs of citizens who were killed, maimed and jailed by this party because it hated dissent.

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@ Gopi

Surprise surprise. met a sardar friend at office. he too was all praise for jaya and wished that BJP would adopt her for the Pm’s post.

Apparently she has a good rapport with Modi. So if not modi it could well be Jaya who would be acceptable to all regional parties as she does not have abse outside Tamil nadu.

Though I must confess that the Sardarji who who is in his early fifties was more enamoured by jayalalitha’s looks, grace etc etc.

I did;nt have the heart to tell him that to me she looks 20 kg overweight. Anyway gopi u r right. Looks and charisma are a factor and BJP is not doing itself a favour with Gadkari at the head…

Maybe

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@Vijay, that feisty girl from LSR, did you marry her ? Do you now get flying beluns a la Srimati Sandhu haha

@Balwinder praaji, great to hear from you, knew you were never far away. Sorry to hear you had a disc problem- surgery is never a brilliant option, one must always try yoga and pilates first. Also please lose some weight

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@ Shenoy, when Prabhat gave a story about taking a girl friend for a ride on a mobike, you finally certified him as not being Vinod Sharma.
I think that is being unfair to Vinod, you never know- behind that serene face may lie a naughty past, he could have been what was described in my AIIMS hostel days as being a ‘rangeen tabiyat ke nawabzaade’
happy to translate for the non hindi uni slang speakers

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Hi Vinod, just read your comment to me- ‘ @Mishra I know for sure that lawyers practising atter a ministerial stint charged many times more than what they charged before becoming ministers. Example: Rs 25,000 before ministership and Rs 1,00,000 per appearance after it.
It this fair? .”

Vinod, it is not illegal. Even here in UK, lawyers and barristers use their connexions to jack up their prices. It is well known that Cherie Blair’s fees sky rocketed after her husband became PM. When you hired her, you got attention. Tony- Cherie sickeningly played off each other’s celebrity, and he is the only british PM in history not to have retired off on his govt pension.
The man is actually worth 12 million dollars 3 years after retirement- a big thank you from Bush and the Yanks for taking UK into a war in Iraq that was immoral and illegal.

And Vinod, no lokpal here to prove that Tony’s terrible decision about the war benefitted him personally, a very big conflict of interest.

And in what must be the biggest irony of them all, evil Blair is now the EU envoy for the middle east

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@ Eeryone;
Just read a statement from MMS in TOI, where he clearly says that LeT and JeM are off shoots of ISI. Music for my ears. He is accepting truth. I wish, he could be more forth coming, he may be PM or not, but Indians will remmeber him as a leader. Not the ” Pichhlaggu” of a cabal, who believe in only realpolitik, san morality.
This pakistani ideology has to be exterminated, no ifs or buts. Not from Indian perspective, but from global perspective. Hamid Gul, A. Q. khan are bawasir and Carbuncle of humanity, they have to be finished for ever.

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Vinodji,

you said, “At times I think these guys who dress up others lack a fig leaf to hide.”

The fig leaf is a western idea, derived from the bible, which narrates how Eve successfully employed the width of the fig leaf to hide her you-know-what. In India, we are more used to the idea of using whole banana leaves to do the job and quite more effectively than Eve did.

Most ordinary Indians have nothing to hide and they do it well. It is our leaders, particularly the leaders whom you are so vociferously defending, who need to hide their nakedness-figuratively speaking-and there is one particular foreign-born lady with a lot to hide who needs the fig leaf. And I am sure you will be more than happy to stand in the queue with your freshly plucked fig leaf.

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@ Shenoy

The poet who wrote

“patta patta boota boota
Haal hamara jaane hai…”

Surely knew that a lot was going on behind the humble leaf…

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@ Dr Mishra

Hamaari kismat mein belun nahi blog likha hai…

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@ Balwinder

Welcome back. Hope you are recovering from your surgery.

Dr Mishra is right that surgery is not the best option for cervical problems unless it is a case of injury. Yoga and Pilates and physiotherapy are pretty good ways getting at it.

Weight loss is essential as the spine balances the muscular tension all around the body. In engineering terms, the greater the unwanted kilos, the greater the forces pulling your discs in unwanted areas.

One way you could explore is progressive muscle relaxation thru meditation. Definately a huge huge thing which I am currently working on. Maybe whenever I am in UK next, or you are in India– check me out. I have got got at least fifty people out of chronic backpain.

And Yes my fees is a bottle of Blue label …

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Mishraji, your lines stirred me, you do write well “”"no lokpal here to prove that Tony’s terrible decision about the war benefitted him personally, a very big conflict of interest. And in what must be the biggest irony of them all, evil Blair is now the EU envoy for the middle east.

so you see Vinod, corruption and immorality in the British soul and not a single Anna Hazare on the Thames….”"”

And then I see below stupid DR SHAN sniping at your heels. Everytime he rebuts others he comes up wuth garbage. Actually says Blair did his patriotic duty by taking UK into Iraq, and then contradicts hiself by saying UK is poodle of USA.
IDIOT SHAN, do you really have to blog, you so random and unstable in your thoughts

IN MY 40 YEARS IN THE UK, I HAVE NEVER SEEN LARGER DEMONSTATIONS AGAINST GOVT DECISION (to invade Iraq) . Shan just shut up you speak like moron

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These 5 editors were not B-Grade for sure but we can safely say that they are congress sympathising editors.

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@Vinod sharama

Good point ” Make lawyers accountable”

But shouldn’t that also apply to Journalists? If a person is classifies himself as journalist publishes false article, he should be disciplined too. If he wants to write biased articles he should classify himself as propagandist.

This will bring fairness in reporting, so that riots in Gujarat gets same coverage as riot Delhi, ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Pakistan aand insensitivity of former Congress chief minister of Madhya Pradesh, Mishra, who commented about rape of dalit woman in MP ;” Rape is human nature’

What do you think you are a journalist or Propagandist?

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This is what many of us are saying. Dilip Rajsardesai in HT, endorses views of us on this blog.

Sanyas obviously means different things to different people. In 2003, soon after losing the Madhya Pradesh elections, Digvijaya Singh rather dramatically announced, “I have decided to take political sanyas for the next 10 years.” Eight years later, far from living the life of renunciation, the Congress leader appears to be making headlines every other day. Remind him about his claim of taking sanyas, and the impish smile returns: “When I said sanyas I meant that I would not seek any government post for 10 years. Have I been a minister or do I hold any official position in government?”

Minister he may be not, but there is little doubt that Singh is now a power centre within the complex UPA-Congress equation. In a sense, the two time Madhya Pradesh chief minister is to UPA 2 what the Left was to Manmohan Singh’s first government: the opposition within. In the first UPA avatar, the Left would openly red flag any issue which they felt would hurt their political ideology: be it the Indo-US nuclear deal or public sector privatisation. In UPA 2, it’s been left to Digvijaya Singh to play that adversarial role. Be it the Naxal policy, land acquisition or anti-terror laws, the Congress general secretary has been determinedly pursuing what appears to be a contrarian agenda to that of the UPA government, often creating dissonance within the ruling arrangement, quite apart from providing fodder to a ravenous media.

And yet, there is clearly a method to the seeming MADNESS of what appears to be Singh’s role of house dissident.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Exile-on-main-street/H1-Article1-715800.aspx

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Full article, which I have not copied for space constraint, is seconding our opinion, including his inheritence of Arjun Singh legacy, including secret ambition to become seat warmer for Rahul.

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Again a guest of the Indian embassy for this long weekend- wonderful programme at House of Lords followed by an evening with Jawed Akhtar and Prasoon Joshi. India’s culture and soft power blows me away.

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Here is more touching poetry commenting on Indian social order-

Siyaram Sharan Gupt

एक फूल की चाह

उद्वेलित कर अश्रु-राशियाँ,
हृदय-चिताएँ धधकाकर,
महा महामारी प्रचण्ड हो
फैल रही थी इधर उधर।
क्षीण-कण्ठ मृतवत्साओं का
करुण-रुदन दुर्दान्त नितान्त,
भरे हुए था निज कृश रव में
हाहाकार अपार अशान्त।
बहुत रोकता था सुखिया को
‘न जा खेलने को बाहर’,
नहीं खेलना रुकता उसका
नहीं ठहरती वह पल भर।
मेरा हृदय काँप उठता था,
बाहर गई निहार उसे;
यही मानता था कि बचा लूँ
किसी भांति इस बार उसे।
भीतर जो डर रहा छिपाये,
हाय! वही बाहर आया।
एक दिवस सुखिया के तनु को
ताप-तप्त मैंने पाया।
ज्वर से विह्वल हो बोली वह,
क्या जानूँ किस डर से डर -
मुझको देवी के प्रसाद का
एक फूल ही दो लाकर।

बेटी, बतला तो तू मुझको
किसने तुझे बताया यह;
किसके द्वारा, कैसे तूने
भाव अचानक पाया यह?
मैं अछूत हूँ, मुझे कौन हा!
मन्दिर में जाने देगा;
देवी का प्रसाद ही मुझको
कौन यहाँ लाने देगा?
बार बार, फिर फिर, तेरा हठ!
पूरा इसे करूँ कैसे;
किससे कहे कौन बतलावे,
धीरज हाय! धरूँ कैसे?
कोमल कुसुम समान देह हा!
हुई तप्त अंगार-मयी;
प्रति पल बढ़ती ही जाती है
विपुल वेदना, व्यथा नई।
मैंने कई फूल ला लाकर
रक्खे उसकी खटिया पर;
सोचा – शान्त करूँ मैं उसको,
किसी तरह तो बहला कर।
तोड़-मोड़ वे फूल फेंक सब
बोल उठी वह चिल्ला कर -
मुझको देवी के प्रसाद का
एक फूल ही दो लाकर!

क्रमश: कण्ठ क्षीण हो आया,
शिथिल हुए अवयव सारे,
बैठा था नव-नव उपाय की
चिन्ता में मैं मनमारे।
जान सका न प्रभात सजग से
हुई अलस कब दोपहरी,
स्वर्ण-घनों में कब रवि डूबा,
कब आई सन्ध्या गहरी।
सभी ओर दिखलाई दी बस,
अन्धकार की छाया गहरी।
छोटी-सी बच्ची को ग्रसने
कितना बड़ा तिमिर आया!
ऊपर विस्तृत महाकाश में
जलते-से अंगारों से,
झुलसी-सी जाती थी आँखें
जगमग जगते तारों से।
देख रहा था – जो सुस्थिर हो
नहीं बैठती थी क्षण भर,
हाय! बही चुपचाप पड़ी थी
अटल शान्ति-सी धारण कर।
सुनना वही चाहता था मैं
उसे स्वयं ही उकसा कर -
मुझको देवी के प्रसाद का
एक फूल ही दो लाकर!

हे मात:, हे शिवे, अम्बिके,
तप्त ताप यह शान्त करो;
निरपराध छोटी बच्ची यह,
हाय! न मुझसे इसे हरो!
काली कान्ति पड़ गई इसकी,
हँसी न जाने गई कहाँ,
अटक रहे हैं प्राण क्षीण तर
साँसों में ही हाय यहाँ!
अरी निष्ठुरे, बढ़ी हुई ही
है यदि तेरी तृषा नितान्त,
तो कर ले तू उसे इसी क्षण
मेरे इस जीवन से शान्त!
मैं अछूत हूँ तो क्या मेरी
विनती भी है हाय! अपूत,
उससे भी क्या लग जावेगी
तेरे श्री-मन्दिर को छूत?
किसे ज्ञात, मेरी विनती वह
पहुँची अथवा नहीं वहाँ,
उस अपार सागर का दीखा
पार न मुझको कहीं वहाँ।
अरी रात, क्या अक्ष्यता का
पट्टा लेकर आई तू,
आकर अखिल विश्व के ऊपर
प्रलय-घटा सी छाई तू!
पग भर भी न बढ़ी आगे तू
डट कर बैठ गई ऐसी,
क्या न अरुण-आभा जागेगी,
सहसा आज विकृति कैसी!
युग के युग-से बीत गये हैं,
तू ज्यों की त्यों है लेटी,
पड़ी एक करवट कब से तू,
बोल, बोल, कुछ तो बेटी!
वह चुप थी, पर गूँज रही थी
उसकी गिरा गगन-भर भर -
‘मुझको देवी के प्रसाद का -
एक फूल तुम दो लाकर!’

“कुछ हो देवी के प्रसाद का
एक फूल तो लाऊँगा;
हो तो प्रात:काल, शीघ्र ही
मन्दिर को मैं जाऊँगा।
तुझ पर देवी की छाया है
और इष्ट है यही तुझे;
देखूँ देवी के मन्दिर में
रोक सकेगा कौन मुझे।”
मेरे इस निश्चल निश्चय ने
झट-से हृदय किया हलका;
ऊपर देखा – अरुण राग से
रंजित भाल नभस्थल का!
झड़-सी गई तारकावलि थी
म्लान और निष्प्रभ होकर;
निकल पड़े थे खग नीड़ों से
मानों सुध-बुध सी खो कर।
रस्सी डोल हाथ में लेकर
निकट कुएँ पर जा जल खींच,
मैंने स्नान किया शीतल हो,
सलिल-सुधा से तनु को सींच।
उज्वल वस्र पहन घर आकर
अशुचि ग्लानि सब धो डाली।
चन्दन-पुष्प-कपूर-धूप से
सजली पूजा की थाली।
सुकिया के सिरहाने जाकर
मैं धीरे से खड़ा हुआ।
आँखें झँपी हुई थीं, मुख भी
मुरझा-सा था पड़ा हुआ।
मैंने चाहा – उसे चुम लें,
किन्तु अशुचिता से डर कर
अपने वस्त्र सँभाल, सिकुड़कर
खड़ा रहा कुछ दूरी पर।
वह कुछ कुछ मुसकाई सहसा,
जाने किन स्वप्नों में लग्न,
उसकी वह मुसकाहट भी हा!
कर न सकी मुझको मुद-मग्न।
अक्षम मुझे समझकर क्या तू
हँसी कर रही है मेरी?
बेटी, जाता हूँ मन्दिर में
आज्ञा यही समझ तेरी।
उसने नहीं कहा कुछ, मैं ही
बोल उठा तब धीरज धर -
तुझको देवी के प्रसाद का
एक फूल तो दूँ लाकर!

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Two beautiful poems posted by Rajeev and Dr Mishra. Dr Mishra do you have a Allahabad connection? Even I am from that city and have met Pantji several times during my school days.

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Some “real” poetry , not ball sandhu standard peotry

HEY MAHA JIVAN

No more of this poetry.
Bring on the hard, harsh prose instead.
Let the jingle of verse disappear
And the strong hammer of prose strike.
No need for the serenity of a poem;
Poetry, I give you a break today.
In the regime of hunger, the earth belongs to prose,
The full moon burns like a loaf of bread.

chod patra (Disharge letter)/Testimonial

The news came
From the child who was born today.
She has got the testimonial,
And therefore she proclaims her rights to the new
unknown world
With piercing cries.

She is helpless and small, yet her fist is raised,
Glowing in an incomprehensible oath.

No one understands.
Some laugh, some reprove.

I recognize her language, though.
I see the signs of a coming age
As I read the child’s credentials
In her hazy, misty eyes.
The new child has arrived. We must make place for
her;
And move away
Into the wrecked and dead wastelands
Of this old earth.

And leave we will. Yet as long as I breathe,
I will go on clearing the debris
with all my strength
From the face of this earth.
I will make this world habitable for this child;
This is my firm pledge to the newborn.

Once my work is done,
I shall bless the child
With my own blood.

And then, I shall become history.

THE POET’S NAME IS SUKANTO BAHTTACHARJEE , died at young age of 25 from TB
Related to the RECENTLY KICKED OUT CM OF WEST BENGAL

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@ Shenoy

There are unconfirmed rumours that when Nirad Babu finally did it he had his bower hat on. And out came progenies wearing bowler hats… and instead of crying as babies normally do, they were singing “I wanna be a gora.” Is it true??

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Vijay, I thought we had agreed not to indulge in any name calling or abuse. You have disappointed me.
Think of DR SHAN’S sentiments before you abuse his father Sir Shri Nirad Chowdhary
hehe

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~~ !! ~~ YAHOOOOOOOOOOO WHERE IS EVERYONE ?? ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~

Kya iss blog ki maut ho gayi hai?????

NO postings for so much time………… ???

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This is by far the best joke on lawyers:

A client was handed over a huge bill of fees. The client felt outraged. He asked the lawyer to give the bill item-wise.

The statement included this item:

“I was walking down the street and saw you on the other side. Walked to the corner to cross at the light, crossed the street and walked quickly to catch up with you. Got close and saw it wasn’t you. fees-$50.00.”

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@pain in the ball sandhu , SARDAR TUSI WOG BOLTA
AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF AN INDIAN , published in London in 1951, when India was in its first flush of freedom, the book infuriated many Indians, particularly the official class. “The wogs took the bait and having read only the dedication sent up a howl of protest,” commented Chaudhuri’s friend, the editor, historian and novelist Khushwant Singh. Chaudhuri was effectively forced out of government service, deprived of his pension and virtually blacklisted as a writer in India for some years. (

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Vijay Kumar,
Continuing with our discussion….
“But s far as Vinod Mehta goes well I would admire him for his Radia tapes expose… and not so much for making light of Naxal terror. If Naxal terror was about removing injustice then we need to strengthen and modify policies so that development reaches all.”
Actuallly, those lack of development policies have been signalling since late sixties. So what exactly were we waiting for to re-calibrate the policies ?
“But so much is about eliminating free markets and getting in a Maoist regime because some ideologues believe Marxism and Maoism is the ultimate religions… I have only disdain for it.”
Ask yourself while facing in front of a mirror – can Vinod Mehta actually *ever* be in a position to eliminate free markets ? Further more, are you sure the Marxist and Maoist ideologues are so powerful that they are dictating the policy terms ? If it were so why would the “official Maoists” be fighting in tribal part of India ?
On a totally different note – the pioneer Staad developers are Bongs (actually, Immigrant Bongs). I am sure you would be glad and happy to know about this. So much for Bong stereotypes.
BTW, the latest Staad version is quite long since bought out by Bentley , a CAD vendor. Surely, those BONGs knew how to make money as well.
Just pulling your legs in a friendly banter.
- Mahesh.

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Sharmaji (and all blogmates),
A small Cinematic poser…..
Sometime in eighties (I guess between mid and late eighties) a wonderful political film – New Delhi Times – penned by Gulzar found itself embroiled in controversy , earning itself a ban.
Shashi Kapur enacted the protagonist in this film as Vikas Pande – the editor of Paper – in this wonderful film.
For those who have seen this film my question is – who, from the mainstream press editors (past or current) , do they think approaches “Vikas Pande” very closely in temperament ?
Please choose to be non-abusive in your replies.
- Mahesh.
p.s.: For those Cinema Lovers who haven’t ever seen this film please choose to take extra efforts in enjoying this master-piece. Every artist in this film – those trend setting Cinematographers and background musicians included – have done excellently well in this film. “Known faces” in the film include Shashi Kapur, Sharmila Tagore, Om Puri, Kulbhushan Kharbanda, A.K. Hangal.
p.p.s.: High point of the film is when A.K. Hangal – enacting a freedom fighter – laments in front of his Son’s colleague , “Kucchh Nahi badla saab, Kucch nahi badla”. His son’s colleague “understandingly retorts” – “Badla hai , bahut kucchh badla hai, pehle paraye log huwaa kartey the – ab apne log hai” (or something very closely matching to that).

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@Three idiots of this blog

Nirad C Chaudhuri celebrated his 100th birthday in 1998 reminiscing about a century of prolific writing which won him a fair share of accolades as well as brickbats. `Nirad Chaudhuri is quite excited over completion of this landmark in his eventful life,” his eldest son, Prof Dhruv Narayan Chaudhuri said. “My father is quite conscious of the momentous occasion and is overwhelmed by messages received from all over the globe,” he said.His alma mater, the Trinity College, is organising a special function later in the day in his honour. The author’s family said he “very much wants to attend the function and if his health permits he would be taken to the college in a special car.”

R. K. Narayan, for instance, unable to make the journey himself, sent the manuscripts of his first novel to a friend in Oxford, urging him to drown them in the Cherwell if they found no publisher.

Nirad choudhuri’s obituary of Gandhi
This did not prevent him, though, from swallowing his reservations and writing a mainly flattering, if premature obituary of the fasting Mahatma in 1943 while working for All India Radio in New Delhi – where he had recently shifted with his long-suffering, devoted wife Amiya and young family, abandoning Calcutta physically, though never mentally, for ever.

Gandhi survived, but his obituary, Chaudhuri discovered, had not survived the scrutiny of his Indian superiors who had deleted all the laudatory references. Five years later, after Independence, when Gandhi was assassinated, the obituary was finally broadcast – now with the deleted passages restored by the very same officials.

Difficult to educate CRETINS

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@Shenoy, Vijay, Praveen and Dr Pankaj- glad you enjoyed my poem. My weekend at the embassy continues- met Shabhana Azmi today, what a simple lady next door. And political- she pulled no punches, recounted again that she and Jawed had difficulty buying a flat in Mumbai- allegedly because they are muslims.
True or not, dont know.
But coming back to Prasoon Joshi, this man has talent. Poet, songwriter and ad maker- I mean just how diverse can you get. And he had time for everyone today- even sang some of his own songs- can sing well.
He told me of his fav ad campaign- I think it was this one-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRtE3wBCXdk&feature=related
enjoy and marvel

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yes Praveen Saxena, I was born in Allahabad- Air Force station Manauri. Later stayed in IAF Bamrauli. Memories of going down to civil lines with the ONLY softy ice cream shop there, on the corner of MG road, I think.
And of meeting Sumitra Nandan Pant, once- still remember that artistic handsome visage, and the shoulder length long flowing grey hair.
And his poem- something like-
Panth par chalna tujhe to muskara kar chal musafir
Woh musafir kya jise kuch shool hi path ke thaka dein….

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@ Mahesh, New Delhi times was great, but a bit too modern and urban for many Indians. The music by Louis Banks was again too western for some tastes. Like Shyam Benegal’s Kalyug.

The scene where the family cat is murdered to try and scare off the editor, was great. But for me the scene stealer was when one of the witnesses is simply neutralised by locking him in a mental asylum- that drove home because stuff like that did happen in INDIA.

Perhaps still does

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@ everyone;
Kerla temple yielded assets worth 50K crores. My fear is that this money may not be subject to pileferage and distributed amongst corrupt people, inplace of going to Indian masses’ welfare. Decades back, Jaipur fort treasue was rumored to have been taken and masses’ never heard about it afterwards.

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~~ ~~ NIRADBABU MAKES FUN OF COW LOVERS… AS GORAS DID…. ::D ~~~

It may be difficult for people to understand the sentiments HIndus have for cows as they respect an animal which replaces the milk of your mother. If you can worship the sun. the rivers.. so nothing wrong in at least respecting the gentle animal which sustains you.

Now WHY DOES’NT OUR NRIAD BABU ASK THE BRITISH TO EAT THEIR DOGS !!! D:D

What I knwo of UK, the British as well as the Germans love their dogs. Will they eat theri dogs as the Chinese and Koreans do????? Never never NEVER!!! Out of sentiment that a dog is aman’s best freind.

SO our fake Niraad Babu should stand in Hyde park and sing…

” Come one.. come all
Eat your dogs at my stall… ”

Niradbabu ka immigration ho jayega zero.
Aur Doctor ki jagah Compounder ban jayega yeh hero !!!

So why dont the goras eat dogs??? Answer this question and you will know the sentiment Hindus have for cows….

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@ Shenoy

Being a dog lover… I can hardly swallow the thought that anybody would dare eat a dog. At the end of the day, everyone in life wants something from u.

But not your dog…

So I think it is fair enough to say that you dont like anyone eating dogs… because you find them friendly and ur true friends. So in case someone respects cow for what ever it is.. why hurt the person’s feelings by insult??/

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@ Shenoy

Many a times when I would see puppies in resturaunts in China– on display for a meal or meat– I am tempted to open their pen and release them.

Don’t know what will happen to India-China realtions after that…

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Vijay, behind your light hearted banter you can deliver fierce uppercuts – ‘ So why dont the goras eat dogs??? Answer this question and you will know the sentiment Hindus have for cows ‘

Well said, Vijay, it is all a matter of respect. Here in Yorkshire, I get invited to many Pakistani homes for dinner. Although I have never asked for it, they do move the non veg dishes to the other side of the table out of deference to my vegetarian conversion 30 years ago !!

What hindus did in historical times- eating beef, being sexually promiscuous etc- has nothing to do with what they practice today. In 1961, the Royal family of UK visited Bharatpur and shot thousands of birds and posed triumphantly next to the carcasses. Today they would die of embarassment if these photos surfaced. I know because I am a keen bird watcher and have visited Bharatpur( what a magical place !!)

So times change, ppl change but respect for the other is universal, it does not change

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I last visited Bharatpur in 2000- the ealy morning 6 am boat ride was pure magic- by the end of the evening we had identified 96 kinds of birds. Including 6 siberian cranes who were 1 km away.
From the boatman to the rickshaw wallah, they were all expert bird watchers, and in the evening we had a treat- a slideshow by one of the local photographers.
If true Praveen I would be sad to know that the marshes are drying up. We have gems, just need to look after them

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@ Dr Mishra nd Praveen

Yes it is sad that Bharatpur is a deserted shadow of the sanctuary I had first seen twenty years back. In 2007 March, we saw less and less birds. Somebody did mention that we we were in the wrong season. But I still felt that it was a let down…

I also notice that birds around Delhi have lterally disappeared. The house sparrow which was all around in thousands is now rarely seen. Is it becasue fo mobile towers?? or generla noise pollution?

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~~ COMING BACK TO THE BLOG– OUR LAW AND LAWYERS NEED AN OVERHAUL~~::D

I would not have got this subject to a personal level, but my dad happens to be a lawyer… and he saw me blogging! He had worked with the government of India, drafting model contracts and so on and then practiced in the high court and finally retired. So here is his opinion.

–> The best cases he has solved has been those when he got both the opposing parties to sit opposite each other and told them the legal position. Then explained to them that litigation is a process which is time consuming, expensive and tiresome. And then got them to agree to “win some – lose something’ position.

An arbiteration in which he says Lawyers are the biggest losers as they get the least amount of money.

—> That in the Indian context it is only the high profile cases which form only 0.1% of the total managge to reach the Supreme court, Otherwise it takes about 15 years !! So it really is about the quality of justice in lower and HIgh courts. And here it can be fixed easily in case as the police is waiting to be bribed. And many of the judges have relatives practicing as lawyers who become a conduit….

—-> So really it has to be tribubals delivering justice after continous hearings rather than hearings with dates given every six months and the defence not appearing…

Well his list is long. And he wonders whether the blogmates would really want to read something so heavy !! And he is asking me to crack some jokes….

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lets illuminate the DARK REGIONS AND MIND of haryana.
87% of ALL SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE is generated from OECD (sadly they are all GORA , sans japan)
UK ‘S SHARE IS 9%, INDIA’S SHARE IS 0.8%
Now the CLOWNSPEAK
As Indians surge worldwide, this is the sort of inferiority complex we need to give up forever

patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel(Dr Samuel Johnson)
There is a discipline called BIBLIOMETRICS.
Speaking with evidence is science , HOWLING without evidence is same as the sound in COWSHED

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@ my dear Wog C choudhari

Dear Woggie

I really dont have the time and patience to address each of your complexes. But let me assure you that
OUT OF THE GAS PRODUCED AT THIS SITE… 99% IS PRODUCED BY YOU !!

Now I am off for my jog and game of tennis. I suggest you cool your head– as Pankaj suggested with a block of ice.

God gives us one life. Make the most of it.

Yeh zindagi mile na dubaara….

I did not want our interactions to get personal at all as I suspected that you were enjoying them. If you are– well I suggest get in less abuse. Even if you beleive that western civilization is superior– which you have a right to– don’t fool yourself that you have become white yet.

Rather try to become an equal by maintaining your self respect

Last of all don’t forget that 25% of the kids born in UK today are Asians. This is expected t become 53% in thirty years, Its matter of time that UK will become a brown and black society.

You may end up being employed by a brownie in UK

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Interesting article.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/india-today-editorial-director-m-j-akbar-on-manmohan-singh-has-more-authority-in-congress-than-the-prime-minister/1/143344.html

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@Fodder scavenging mammal, Gas production is highest in one mammal , whose stomach ferments all the grasses in stomach , So you are a old f a r t , the taste and sensibility of a cow ,
By the way SOMETING YOU CAN RIGHTLY CLAIM TO HAVE A SUPERIORITY COMPLEX
Ambala (Haryana) – A middle-aged widow was abducted and allegedly later raped by four unidentified youths in this Haryana district, police said Saturday.

“The victim and her son, residents of village Naneola, were returning from Gugga Pir Madi yesterday (Friday

Read more: http://www.indiavision.com/news/article/national/201561/#ixzz1R1gGJpqT
Some for SUPERIORITY COMPLEX ENHANCING STATISTICS
Chandigarh: There were on an average around 60 incidents of crime including murder, rape, dowry and theft everyday in Haryana during 2010,
The number of dowry cases increased to 3,002 in 2010 – an average of eight cases daily – from 2,893 cases registered in the previous year and 2,285 in 2005.
There were on average two rape cases registered daily in 2010 with the total being 717 as against 612 cases in 2009 and 461 in 2005.

SOME MORE COW BELT SUPERIORITY COMPLEX
Honor killings have been reported in northern regions of India, mainly in the Indian states of Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, as a result of people marrying without their family’s acceptance, and sometimes for marrying outside their caste or religion. In contrast, honour killings are rare to non-existent in South India and the western Indian states of Maharashtra and Gujarat. In some other parts of India, notably West Bengal, honor killings ceased about a century ago, largely due to the activism and influence of reformists such as Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Vidyasagar and Raja Ram Mohan Roy.[54(Wikipedia)
YET SOME MORE STATISTICS TO GIVE YOU SUPERIORITY COMPLEX
Crime against women in India

Ranbir Dahiya , Rohtak: Jun 9 2008
Made Popular Jun 13 2008
India :

Rape is the fastest growing crime in the country; a rape is being reported every 30 minutes, an alarming increase of nearly 700 per cent since 1971; every hour, 18 women become victims of crime directed specifically at them — rape, kidnapping and abduction, dowry-related crimes, molestation, sexual harassment, eve-teasing, etc. 40 per cent of married women are victims of domestic violence. The increasing violence against women shown in television and films, and their vulgar portrayal as objectives of sex are important contributing factors in the escalating violence against women. But no serious efforts are made to rectify the weaknesses in dealing with the crimes against women and the conviction rate remains abysmally low.

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~~ ~~DEKHO GADHA MOOT RAHA HAI ~~ ~~

On way back from tennis courts after a good sunday morning game, I read slogan painted on a roadside wall– dekho gadha moot raha hai…

I was instantly reminded of a Nirad Chaudhari clone

WHo is spoiiling a public forum for parroting incoherent nonsense.

When the subject is lawyers and accountabliliy— he has chosen to cut and paste dirt to villify Indians !! All I can say is ” DEKHO GADHA _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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I wish Manmohan Singh was a lawyer instead of an economist.

We wouldn’t have had to blame our present mess on the incompetence of of an economist PM.
And he would somehow wriggled out of the responsibility for the mess by vaxing eloquent on the opposition being responsible for all the stink.

The “meet TOP EDITORS OF THE WORLD” (this according to Vinod Sharma) has become a big joke and free for all. The PM has made a big gaffe about Bangladeshis supporting the ISI and hating India.

Rajit Mitter, India’s High Commissioner to Bangladesh, has been summoned by the government in Dhaka to explain Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s remarks against Bangladeshis earlier this week. The prime minister’s office posted a transcript of the PM’s meeting with editors earlier this week, where the PMO quoted him saying, “we must reckon that at least 25% of the population of Bangladesh swear by the Jamaat-ul-Islami and they are very anti-Indian, and they are in the clutches, many times, of the ISI (of Pakistan).”
The prime minister’s much publicized remarks on Bangladesh have not only embarrassed India and the PM personally, but have created a storm in the neighbouring country.

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@ Shenoy

I think we should all encourage Manmohan Singh to rebel. If he does so he has everything to gain,

a) Well the Congress cannot distance itself from his legacy and say that the 7 years of MMS were a failure

b) Sonia and Rahul and Digvijay cannot ask him to step down as Rahul is too much of a 70 ft pit of bodies sort of society butterfly who has floated into politics for amusement

c) MMS should remember that PV Rao was his Godfather and not Sonia. As Sonia has insulted PV Rao’s dynamic legacy there is nothing morally wrong in rebelling/

If I were MMS I would rebel. He has done a fine job even with the constraints of the Rjamata and Yamraj and Digvinash breathing down his neck. SO let him now say… ” to hell with you !! “

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This needs no introduction, no explanation

All it needs is 5 minutes and 27 seconds of your time

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@ravi, I would be careful if iI were you , for the honour killing expert from haryana will accuse you of joining the WHITE RACE PROPAGANDA

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@ Nirad Babu clone

I think you are overdoing it. I anyway belong to Delhi… so somewhere your thesis is wrong.

I was only trying to help you when I said get over the Nirad Chaudhary sort of inferiority complex. NOw in case you do not want to be helped fine with me. Live the Nirad babu life the way you want to

Somewhere you do remind me of the first wave of migrants who after escaping abject poverty felt that they were miles ahead of rest of India because they managed to eat food at kentucky Fried chicken. Now KFC is all over India and in my opinion despite modern decor and a young staff, the nutirional value of the food is questonable

As for research… well there are papers and papers and lobbies and lobbies. Right till sixties many doctors did research and proved that Camel cigarettes were good for you !!

As for Indian contribution of genuine scientifc research, you can check out the physics experiments going on in CERN and the contributions of the number of Indians there. But what is the point of telling you all this.

YOu would rather be a pet dog of the Britsh wog

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@ Observer

While there is much to appreciate about the west, I have seriously started thinking that Western civilazation is coming at a dead end for now. The reason was the freedom of the individual– the bedrock of capitalism and free markets is increasingly being viewed supsiciously even in the west as the same can transfer manufacturing and services to the East in case true free markets prevail.

Similarly Briton once ruled the world under the farce of spreading the rule fo the King. The writing of history and control over the media was such that Nirad Chaudhari type nuts wanted to be willing slaves. The US century was about God, capitalism and the US dollar.

The west is now unable to produce an ideal which can fool the world to follow it….

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Coming back to lawyers the Neeraj gorver murder just shows the weakness only more.

How in the garb of being a woman– a weakling who spoke good English and a behen — seems to have swayed the judges.

Maria was a partner in chopping up the body… but fluttering her eyelashes and tears… well our judges go paani paani…

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@ Observer

The West had an opportunity and used it wisely. Well right and wrong.

The true history of the world has not been written so the stories of at least a hundred million killed are missing/.

they are

a) The red Indians who would have populated the Americas had not the whitemen invaded them.

b) The marginalised real owneres of Australia and new Zealand– the Moaris and Aborigines.

c) The tribes of Africa.

d) The killings Hitler did in milllions

e) AAnd the killiings the West does in Iraq

But maybe the dead dont desreve to exist !! ?? Is it so??

I love scientifc discovery, One day if I am tempted I would reveal the two patents I hold. And the opportunity to further study nuclear Physics at Oxford which I didnt take up.

Agreed that the dons of Western Universities were ruthless in scientific enquiry. But at times the state too was ruthless when it killed inpursuit of its goal.

Right now the western ideal is not to glamourous to be sold. Macdonalds, Coke, Christainity and the dollar. All are floundering.

If India can weld together an agenda which appeals to the world there is an opportunity here.

But…

The basic issue still remains looking at the world squarely in the eye. One to one.. as equals

b)

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In the name of client – advocate relations, sometimes advocates accept a case though knowing well that his client is involved in the incident/crime yet he fights in a court for the defence of his client with tooth and nail. Sometimes, these advocates do so just to be in lime light or for publicity. There are many advocates who the public knew not much, but these advocates willingly accept to fight for those involved in very heinous crimes thus came into public lime light just for the reason that they have advocated such cases. Out come of the case is immaterial.

Prominent lawyers like Shri Jethmalani who advocated and defended many controversial cases few to name like Nitish Katara murder case, jessica lal murder case, I do think that he does not know about the factual position of his client’s involvement in the case but even then he opted to defend his client with fullest might. A common man can not even think of engaging such a prominent, reputed and of course costly lawyer. Only person like Mr. DP Yadav or so can afford to approach person like Shri Jethmalani for the services.

Dalip Kumar Saini

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It is a hard and bitter fact that these prominent, reputed and popular advocates always defend rich and mighty without going into the merit of the case. These advocates accept rather willingly offer their services to defend those persons knowing very well their client’s involvement in the case. They do all this both for money and publicity. The murder cases of Jessica lal, Priyadarshini Mattoo, Nitish Katara are just few cases to quote where these noted lawyers defended their clients tooth and nail and even tried to confuse the court. These advocates charge their fees very heavily and no ordinary man can even think of hiring these lawyers.

Why the lawyers who defended the above cases, not offer their services coming forward on their own to help the families of the victims? The reason for not doing so was simple – money, because the victims were a middle class families not having that much money or influence as compared to the well known families whose sons/relatives were involved in the cases. For advocates who were on the sides of those rich and powerful, the victims were the families and sons/relatives who were involved in such cases.

Values, emotions, ethics or human grounds are useless words for these advocates in today’s world of reality. It is just because of media – print or electronic, some NGOs’ and common man on the street that some justice has been done to victim family.

Dalip Kumar Saini
Cedar Estate, Glurgaon.

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Each election produces a hero or a heroine. Today it is Akhilesh Yadav, yesterday it was Mamata Banerjee. After the counting of votes and the swearing in, the real work of governance starts, and that is where Didi is letting down the people of Bengal who gave her such a magnificent mandate.

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Funny now Sujatha is quoting twitterati’s displeasure with Mamata. When the twitterati overwhelmingly appreciate Modi, Sujatha and co. dismiss them with disdain. Selective memory?

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Vladimir Putin, VS Acharya, BS Yeddyurappa, Sir Sheshadri Iyer’s Grand Son Ravindra & Sir Mokshagundam Vishveshwarayya’s Grand Son DK Ravi are/were victims of USA Remote Body Area Networks. How does one remotely read, diagnose, monitor, manipulate, massage & prescribe medicines to people? The USA has explicitly stated that it will monitor, manipulate, body read & control & mind read & control every human being: ordinary tourist, international student, foreign employee, religious leader, journalist, doctor, lawyer, military leader, politician, dramatist, film maker, actor, musician, business person, embassy personnel, ambassador, MLA, MLC, MP, Minister, President, Prime Minister, King, Queen, Prince, Princess or the Emperor for 25 years from the day a foreigner enters USA or leaves USA & that it will monitor foreigners for 25 years whether they are in USA or in other countries. Who works for BANS: patient, doctor, psychiatrist, nano & bio technologists, neuro scientist, linguist, translator, mercenary, clinical psychologist, Bromenn Medical Hospital, State Farm Insurance, Illinois State University, RFID, radio frequency identifier expert, audio, video & image contained air capturing expert, body scanner, body sensor, one-ten thousandth size miniature camera stealthily attached to blood particle, body reader, body massaging massager, body harming molester, body romancing rapist, Robo prostitute, mind reader, mind controller, USA Global Positioning Satellite handler, remote body area network worker, remote mind reading network specialist; remote body monitoring, massaging, manipulating, harming, hurting, pulling, caressing, lengthening, shortening, thickening, thinning, molesting & raping expert; mind & brain reading, brain waves capturing, analyzing, mind, brain & body controlling; 24-hours talking, speaking, singing, crying, shouting, screaming, suggesting, threatening, reminding, reciting, echoing, barking & chanting savage, ruthless, sadistic, perverse, cruel, inhuman, people’s human rights snatching, and 24-hours deliberately torturing & 24-hours a day, 7- days a week, 365 days a year, 10-years a decade sleep depriving professional working for the most barbaric, inhuman, demonic & criminal Remote Body Area Networks (BANs – its functioning is explained in the Harvard Business Review of Harvard University, Massachusetts, USA), Body & Mind Reader Networks – Body Mind & Brain Control Networks of the Non-Aryan, Anti-Indian, Anti-Chinese, Anti-Japanese, Anti-Asian, Anti-Aramaic Speaking Israeli Nationalist Freedom Fighter Jewish Rabbi Joshua Jesus Christ, Anti-Native Red Indian American, Anti-New Zealand Native Maori, Anti-Australian Australoid Native Aboriginal Indian & Non-Aryan European American, European, Italian, Roman, German, Belgian, Dutch, Indian Children Abducting Norwegian, AB Bofors Defense Corruption Commission Paying Gun Swedish, Spanish, Swiss, Portuguese, French, Welsh, Scot, Irish & English people. Jai Hind! OM!

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It is all about sex. When young, foolish young men are offered hoories in heaven with unlimited sex right after death, they will be ready to even become suicide-bom*bers/attackers. Especially when they believe that Qur*an is 100 true and therefore the promise will be fulfilled. The issue is that Muslims does not doubt the possibility of Q*uran and Muhammad being wrong. While other religions question their own faith, a Muslim does not dare to make such thougths.

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Very good analysis;
in my judgement this is fact.

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The country needs only “vote bank” Muslims and NOT thinking Muslims.

I doubt if it suits anybody to allow Muslims to think.

If they start to think then

a) They will question why a group of Saudi despots manage to rule the Muslim mind

b) Why the Congress in India wants to use them as a vote bank separated form the rest of Mainstream Indians

c) Why Muslim women need to be discriminated by gender UN-equal laws.

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The US took action against the producer of the filthy movie and the Muslim world began calming down – and only this kind of response from the US was needed to assuage the hurt sentiments of the Muslim illiterate, uneducated, emotionally charged and easy to manipulate masses. The US action came late, only when it became clearer that the threat to US embassies world over cannot be brushed aside. So, in short, threat worked; even the mighty US despite its protestations of helplessness against its own freedom of expression laws had to arrest the producer on x, y, z charge and make a big show of the same. Why was not this done earlier? Why should the world think that it is okay to hurt the illiterate, the ignorant, the rustic and the powerless? Should a response come only when the educated, the wealthy, the powerful are hurt – or may be it is difficult to hurt them at all. Since so many months Israel is threatening to bomb Iran’s nuke sites, but is unable to do so because it is fearful of the response. Even the US is repositioning its war-ships in Mediteraanean & Persian Gulf before Israel takes any such action. In short, only the mighty have the means to hurt – and the weak can only protest and perish while doing so.

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singhvi u missed amul baby who has not won in any state or is that manio aunty has instructed u to write only about MODI and by the way no comments,ratings,tweets in this article speaks about your credibility as journalist

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Modi can not be PM ever in India….we the people of Gujarat will not let him become the CM, forget about the PM!!

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How can Modi and his followers could forget that there is no no development in rural and tribal areas of Gujarat? Modi has hired PR agencies to project himself as man of development and one who can become the PM but the reality on grass root is totally different. Modi has allowed industrialist to loot Gujarat and if he becomes PM, he will let entire world to loot India…

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Modi and PM….What a Joke…..Kaua kya jane Hans Ki Chal….

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The whole world knows that Modi can not become the PM, he and bjp are doing this drama of Modi being the PM is not to become the PM but to sustain as CM….shame on him

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Why is the columnist’s name mentioned initially? I would not have read this piece and wasted five minutes (even it was going to praise Modi) if I knew it was written by this paid journalist. Why can’t this paid journalist confine himself to culinary issues. In that case, it would have escaped my attention.
Dinesh Triwedi

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Dear Mr. Singhvi please have some journalistic ethics. “If Patnik was a decent man he would not vote for Modi”, are you the touchstone for morality that your opining about the same in your articles

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VIR SANGHVI TERI CREDIBILITY KHATAM HO CHUKI HAI RADIA TAPE KE BAAD . YAAR KOI AUR DHANDA KAR LE CHOD KALAM KO. BORI AUR TEL LEKE BAITH JA KISI METRO STATION KE PAAS.

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Everyone supporting Congress is going to loose their deposit in the next elections.Congress is going get Zero Lok Sabha seats for their Zero Loss Lie.

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VIR SANGHVI TOO AUR RANDIA MASSAGE PARLOUR KA KAAM KAR LO.KALAM TO TOONE BECH DI HAI .

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Vir sanghvi still writing after his famous Burka episode.Radia episodes.Shame on this gentleman?

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arre ye(vir sanghvi) to khaleej times me khana khilane aur banane ki columns likhta hai…..

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either u r in fools paradise or a pigeon who shut eyes to hide while cat is in front……if he is not poppulat 1.6 millions wpuld not join him on google hangout?
if he is not popular congress would not employ all dirty tricks in their bag against CM? CBI is so efficient they could not solve cases against rajiv in bofors, lalu , mulayam , mamata , aarushi and so many…but when it comes to gujarat they have solve terrorist shohrabuddin and prajapati case in weeks and now trying jamal case cos it involves gujarat police why such swiftness?
if india cant get modi in central get ready for another 60 years of third world country lebel?

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Dear Vir, You should have left journalism after getting exposed as Dalla in Radia tape scandal. But how can u? U r a Dalla and u love ur profession of dallali. By the way how much did u charge for this rubbish piece from Vinod sharma from his commission from Looters of this nation.

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You seem to be already scared of the prospect of Modi moving to delhi. Where will all the goody goody bumchums go ?

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We want anything but this dynastic succession congress

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You were supposed to be on leave and not write anymore after the radia tapes scandal.

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What is development? Is not 24-hours assured electricity a development or better roads acroos the state. If development means everybody becomes millionire then you are mistaken, sadly misinformed or partition. I have no doubt Modi was personally involved in Gujraat masacre, But he is the best administrator available to India at the moment. And knowing our politicians, he wont be beaten by CBI. If congress or muslims want to beat him, they will have to support equally good if not better administrators. And it will be sad if muslims vote in block just to defeat Modi. I am from Bihar, and muslims voting en mass will do to the country, what yadavs voting en mass did to Bihar and UP.

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HT strategically placed the name of the author at the end. Very surprising. I guess they knew that if the name of the author was at the top, most people wouldnt even have bothered to read it. Such is the credibility of Mr. Sanghvi.
Look at the hypocrisy in the article. He openly talks of Chandrababu Naidu and Jagan Reddy having Muslim bases / votebanks. And yet, it is the BJP alone which is branded as communal party representing Hindus. What this implies is that it is alright to represent a particular religion and still be called secular, as long as it is not Hinduism.
He goes on to say that when Modi has campaigned outside Gujarat for other BJP candidates, the results have been mixed. True…but at least better than other PM candidates like Mr. Rahul Gandhi (whose results have been terrible in Bihar, UP, even in his own constituency), or Mrs. Sonia Gandhi (we all know what results her campaign in Gujarat in previous elections had with her Maut ka Saudagar comment). Maybe Mr. Vir Sanghvi would like to elucidate how the present PM has a better track record than Mr. Modi in getting good results for Congress candidates in other states (psst..the present PM cannot even get good result for himself in any constituency and hence does not contest Lok Sabha elections).
Lastly, he keeps referring to Mr. Modi as a regional leader. Maybe he would like to read the results of poll after poll, carried out across India, by leading English “secular” media – every poll shows him as the best chief minister, every poll conducted all over India shows him as the person most desired for the post of PM. I repeat these are polls conducted across all states (in case Mr. Vir Sanghvi did not realise the import of the words “national” poll) .
I think Mr. Vir Sanghvi should give up his calling as a journalist and become a copy writer for Congress in-house magazines. It would be more suitable to his style of thinking and writing. He could of course also audition for the role of Congress spokesperson, as another Mr. Sanghvi (Abhishek Manu) has gone into hiding on account of his (mis) deeds being caught on camera !!!

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Vir might be surprised by what Patnaik might do.Modi has cultivated only 2 leaders outside the BJP,Jaya and Patnaik.And both these leaders do not need to worry about a muslim votebank.

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How pathetic and biased article this is. I’m amazed at the low standards of Journalism at Hindustantimes when they allow a paid and corrupt so called Journalist who was openly caught being a Congress agent is allowed to write blogs and articles. Vir can wish to stop Mr. Modi from becoming PM by writing these biased articles, it is only going to help Mr. Modi’s cause. Also, Vir should stop branding every one who criticises him as a RSS stooge. Many people are not aligned with RSS but are also not supportive of corrupt and biased Congress Journalists.

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Congress MP was caught DOING porn!!

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Mr. Sanghvi has been wrong on many occasions and will be proved wrong one more time. The level of intelligence of this journalist is shown by his reference to “sanghis”, “khakhi chaddis” and “Goebbels”. Shameful Mr. Sanghvi. If you have an iota of decency, apologize. But I suspect you won’t.

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Vir Sanghvi after 2G revelations we know you are a power broker. Now at whose behest you have started writing this article on Modi’s ascent to Delhi.

Yourself, Burka Dutt are all paid coolie of Congress and just you lost your credibility.

Kindly keep your mouth shut.

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Vir Sanghvi after 2G revelations we know you are a power broker. Now at whose behest you have started writing this article on Modi’s ascent to Delhi.

Yourself, Burka Dutt are all paid coolie of Congress and just you lost your credibility.

Kindly keep your mouth shut.

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jaise 2004 aur 2009 may khila tha.abhi u p election may bhi khila!

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neither BJP nor Modi have said anything about PM candidature but all paid media and con-party chamcha’s r shi*****g in their pants already…what will happen if Modi became PM (though i dought that but i hope for it)

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In fact I am reading Singhvi after a few years? when he was heading HT.I have never seen him impartial in regard BJP as HT policy,but very harsh on Modi.Modi will win in Gujrat is written on walls,which he can not dispute.Kesh Bhai tried in Maha Patel samelan in 2007,and Modi won more seats in his area of influence.Regarding Delhi I am watching elections since 1952.An all India reputated leader is required to lead a party.It was Nehru upto 1964.Unfortunately Shastri died,otherwise he was attracting more people in comparison to Nehru.Indra Gandhi ,JP,Rajiv dominated.after Bofor there was no central leader. Bjp came on centre stage due to Ayodhia And vajpai and Advani became important leaders.MMS was given importance as Sonia never wanted credit to PVNR on economic boom.Now MMS has lost this shine Rahul is no where.MODI is replacing him as Advani is getting grey.Inspite of Muslim consolidation,which will fade as Modi advances BJP is going to win more than 220 seats even from cities of ,odisa,WB,TN,AP,Karnataka ,Assam and will almost sway in north and west

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The more you curse Modi and his politics the more closer the man comes to winning the PM candidature. Let him be there for the PM candidature and u will see the shift in voting. I am sure the educated Muslims would also vote for him. He is going to shape the future of India or else the country will go to dumps. NItish will have the answer of distancing himself from Modi. Its a shame to have such selfish politicans

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A superbly written brilliant biased article. Hats off! When we know
politics is a number game, this article is written with a fool’s mind.

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Bravo bandhu…wo din dur nahin jab har educated youth ko Resume bana ke job talash karne ki jagah A.K.47 le aise logo talash karna padega agar aisa hi chalta raha to..

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When some body is drinking and saying he is not drunk yet that means he is already drunk but trying to save his face.
Who is asking this guy whether Modi is able to win in Delhi or not? The fact that this guy is already feeling the tremor, likewise, trying to save the “face” by telling himself against all odds!

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If India is to move forward it needs to force all senior journalists to retirements. These people have eaten so much from the corrupt regime over the years, their genetic make up has change and behaving like their slaves! It is as if, if they don’t justify the unjustifiable their future is at stake!

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Mr Singhvi, Nitin Gadkari in not your ‘Delhi Leader”, Rajnath Singh is not your “Delhi Leader”, Shekhwat was Cabinet minister and vice president candidate, please come up with some true logics so that you continue to get your Modi bashing fee.

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Mr Singhvi, Nitin Gadkari in not your ‘Delhi Leader”, Rajnath Singh is not your “Delhi Leader”, Shekhwat was Cabinet minister and vice president candidate, please come up with some true logics so that you continue to get your Modi bashing fee.

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Vir Sanghavi lacks some general knowledge. Modi is more famous in Indian states than any other regional politician. Thanks to the 95% Indian journalists who keep roaring against Narendra Modi, just to keep the corrupt politicians happy. I like Modi also because cheap Indian media hates him.

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What can you expect from a person who is always pro-congress.Vir ,barkha,vinod sharma has lost objectivity in their lust for being pro-congress.They should take some lesson from shekher gupta and vinod mehta.

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BJP should come a pro hindu and project Narendra Modi as its prime ministerial candidate atleast pre-poll. They should unmasked the face of these so called secularist and make india a Congress free state. They sud not worry abt this rotten, shameless, lunatic, idiotic, irresponsible, shameless, characterless media. One thing bjp must know that they cant be as shameless as congress. They sud come with a substance. They need just 51% of 85% vote. They can easily win 200 seats. After that every party will support them. India needs a change. A change for her survival, to protect her values, to protect her economics, to protect her spiritual culture.

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Mr. Vir Sanghvi, as you have yourself written you have not visited Gujarat in the recent past, please leave your food joint habits and first visit Gujarat. When you yourself say that you are not an astrologer, then why (mis) speculate 2014 against Modi only. You must speculate for the recent future i.e. december,2012. Aap kal ki chinta kijiye parson ki nahin.

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Wait.. there is another angle to this..

A dictator style ruling has not gone well with many BJP members, party workers,government officials and many Gujaratis. Also ‘Sauno Saath, Sauno Vikas’ claims have proved to be hollow and without merit.
Many BJP partymen have left organization that they served for many years because of this functioning style of Modi and formed a new party under leadership of Keshubhai Patel.
Keshubhai Patel who is the person who brought BJP in power in Gujarat is no pawn. He knows equations and elections very well and will certainly be a huge thorn for CM Modi who has become Diwana to see himself as PM of India.
Here is what will happen:
- GPP will take away few seats in Patel strongholds
- Some credible independents will take away many seats due to Anna Hazare effect. There will be Media Support pouring for good independent candidates. This is what India needs and we think Media will rally behind good young leaders. This means tally of independents will increase.
- Gujarat Congress which is smartly playing their moves on issue based politics over individual politics will see its tally increase. All muslims who felt cheated due to ‘Muslim Topi’ incident at Sadbhana rally will vote for Congress just to keep Modi at bay. They can sense Modi downfall now.
- Gujarat Congress may again field Dinsha Patel against Modi in Maninagar who lost last election by 86,000 votes but this time GPP, Muslims and others will probably support Dinsha against Modi. Modi’s image has taken huge dent because of his closeness to businesses, failure in education, healthcare and govt transparency. Plus Modi has been supported by Cabinet Ministers who themselves have Criminal cases pending against them. Not asking Parshottam Solanki to resign after HC ruling will be a huge issue for Modi’s governance.
- GPP will never support Congress as they come from years of service and loyalty to BJP. Supporting Congress will make them lose their goodwill.
- BJP will get less tally and will not be able to form govt without support. GPP will support BJP but will not want Modi or anyone from his current Cabinet as CM. Suresh Mehta of GPP can become CM.
- Even if BJP cannot get its same tally in Gujarat or cannot increase its count, it gives Nitish a point to prove that Modi’s administration is rejected by Gujaratis and he has not been able to gain more seats. Central BJP leaders like Sushma and Jaitley who feel threatened by Modi as PM will not allow Modi to get elevated to PM.
- So Bye Bye Modi…

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I hope the muslims Realize what they are doing to the country by voting
congress. It is time they voted MODI and help bring positive change in the
country.

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All BJP chamchas sitting commenting hoping to change public opinion. Remember Public only chose u once. That too because of Atalji who was mistreated by u guys. Now just dream on.

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This immoral journo is passing a comment on a leader of men who has faced so much adversity for sake of his people. Sir Sanhvi, please see the anger in people’s reactions. We cannot allow loot of this country by creating a false fear among minorities. Please support #ModiforPM. In the longer run you and your ilk will benefit

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Nicely analysed indeed! All said & told is quite understandable. The general feeling ,however,is in favour of BJP;it will be able to muster the required number & there is none else in the BJP who can challenge the CM Modi of Gujarat State .This is just a gut feeling! God bless BJP!

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VIR ARE YOU STILL GETTING CALLS FROM NERA? YOU STILL HAVEN’T LEARNED A THING HAVE YOU……NO SHAME WHATSOEVER…..SO SAD.

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There is no denying the fact that Narendra Modi reigns supreme in Gujarat. Gujarat is a different state, where the Hindu does not vote on caste lines. Yes he can’t conquer Delhi, because in other states, the Muslim is united, but the Hindu is fragmented in caste system.

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Yes Mr Dalal, we know we know…only people from the right lineage of the fake “Gandhi” family can rule in Delhi and there are many “dalals: committed to ensuring that.

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For this dalal only a university drop-out nitwit is good enough to become the next PM, after all today we have a puppet who is controlled by an Italian ex-maid.

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I think Vir Sanghvi foresight about Narinder Modi’s predictions are full of flaws. It may not make great impact for the first one but once they are entrenched, it would be difficult to dislodge him. He is an honest politicians and very very few exists at this moment. Just look around Vir, the politicians personal wealth is increasing laps and bounds sucking up public money. Narinder Modi at the centre with full majority could bring peace to the whole country. I guarantee it.

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This guy is a low quality journalist who’s opinions are biased towards the congress first family. From his comments regarding Neveen Patnaik, he regards anyone voting for Modi as ‘indecent’. This is an clear insult to the people voting for Modi in the general elections.
This is why the author is an immoral , biased and unethical journalist.
His career, is over or in tatters because of this.

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The frustrations of the RSS and the BJP supporters come out so vividly and vociferously – just one glance on the response to the above write-up is enough to know that they realize that the BJP is not going to come to power in the next elections. and Modi will never become the PM – India has never had mass murderers as PMs, at least not as yet. The only way to rule over India is through moderation – Akbar the Great has shown it very clearly 400 years ago; we only have to follow his example.

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this pimp should be banned from writing after being exposed in radia scam

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A fair assessment. However, the BJP should give its CMs greater importance in its national scheme of things. Few of its so called national leaders can get into either house of Parliament without the help of a friendly regional satrap.

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Read this before opening your mouth:
http://virsanghvi.com/Article-Details.aspx?key=703

and this
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278785

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He is not a paid journalist but a paid pimp which is proved beyond doubt in radia tapes, so dont take this a**hole with any seriousness

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Veer Sanghvi is a low class journalist.He is actually a living shame on Journalism. He and Setalvad are money mongers

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Mr Vir Sanghvi is stuck in the past. He is an arm chair strategist. Times have changed and the electorate today wants to see performance. Perhaps he should care to see the results of Bihar in Dec 2010. This whole bogey of pseudo secularism of the ilk of Sanghvi’s does not wash any more, even with the muslims who have seen through the game of the Congress. With time people evolve except prejudiced minds such as those of Vir Sanghvi.

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Mr. Sanghvi, if BJP declares Mr. Modi as it’s Prime Ministerial candidate, they will definetely increase their numbers,i m from U.P. but if above happens, we will vote BJP and if BJP increases its numbers, allies will come automatically same happened in 1998 n 1999. as for as Mr. Modi is concerened ,his popularity is increasing in all the North Indian States dramatically!

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hey pseudo secularist sanghvi.ur worst nightmare is about to come true.he will be pm inspite all ur writings and all the intellectuals like teesta setalvad..The people will not vote for congress under any circumstances.besides anti muslim sentiment is on the rise globally not just here and ur **** writings cant stop that.U people keep quiet when a madman like ahmedinajad(iran president)says that al mahdi will come with hazrat isa and plant islamic flag in every country in the world.Even eunuch manmohan went there recently to cement trade ties.But living in denial will not change the fact that a clash of muslims and non muslims is coming sooner than u expect.(greece is already kicking them so r the swedes planning to do so).i dare u sanghvi to come up with something against ahmedinajad ,u wont coz ur congress bosses will screw u .corruption ,goonism ,lies accompanied with secularism that is what u and congress represent.See the world events from now on there is no stopping it.we need modi to counter people like ahmedinajad and taliban.not people like u

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kya bat hai bandhu, all maharashtrians are with you.

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This article does not take into account various factors as follows and if these factors are taken into account then the end result could be different from what Vir proposes
- That in the recent hangout on google + with Narendra Modi there were a large number of people participating and asking questions to Modi from outside Gujarat. Only because of his performance in terms of development in Gujarat, a sizable population of the country seems to be becoming his fan. People wish to have a PM and CM like him in each and every state of India. During elections it is high probability that such a desire of the people of our country will translate into votes.
- Is congress really in a position to yet once again communalise votes in this country based on religion. Atleast from examples of Gujarat, MP, Goa, minorities and especially muslims will understand that they have been enough utilised by cunning politicians from the congress to caste votes in their favor. You may have a situation when section of the muslims might switch over to the BJP.
- After all the corruption and scams which have come out against the UPAII, even die hard loyalists of congress, from the times of Nehru and Shastri and Indira have become opponents and vow not to vote for the party in the coming Lok Sabha elections. The true colours of Sonia and Robert Vadra are out in the open, Rahul Gandhi´s inefficiencies to even lead a significant ministry in the Central government is known. Priyanka could not even win seats for her party in the recent UP elections in her constituency.
- Every family in India of whichever religion today wants a better life for its children. They want their children to be educated. Bread and butter, education and health, the awareness is more about these and the priority attached much higher than before. BJP governments in different states have been focussing on these very issues.
- BJP will win 200 seats and all of the allies will join. Nitish Kumar and Mamata would be the first ones to join. Nitish Kumar has done well in Bihar but let us not forget the base with which he started. There was nothing happening in that state. And now when things are happening the numbers are showing. It is like , I have a product which i do not sell and the moment I start putting efforts I make a 100% sales growth in the first year. Nitish has a long task ahead of him and even if he is able to bring out Bihar from the mess that it is, he would have done a great service to the Nation, much more than any PM at the centre could. Naveen would come along, so would Amma, Shiv Sena and Akali will be there.
- The last , in todays time it is very difficult to find national leaders and put them in the front. National leaders have to be built. Good performers in the states have to be given chance at the centre. Nobody is born to lead India. leaders are made. Narendra Modi has proved enough that he is capable of running the country. Even an honest PM, who does not allow his team to indulge in corrupt practices can turn the governance of the country upside down. Just one honest person under whom there is no corruption. The mechanism of governance is run by bureaucrats and officers. You just need to be transparent and not allow them to indulge in any corruption. More than half of the problems of the country will be solved. The rest is to have a vision and take the country in that direction

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Can we really let anyone involved in riots become the PM. It will be India’s shame. Any how Gujaratis and dhoklas stink.

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I don’t take this columnist seriously. He is compromised. I wonder if he supports secularism in Pakistan and Bangladesh?

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How cleverly Zia has skipped the attacks on Hindus in Bangladesh and attacks on Christian in Pakistan?

Zia is a closet Islamofascist.

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What about Humayun or Akbar.Dirty mind only sees dirty things.Get off your horse and see light.Take India as a nation and not Hindutva as your bapauti.

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I seldom read this columnist. After a long while, I thought give him another chance. My mistake.

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Secularism” , “Minority Grievances”, “Minority
identity” are all issues artificially manufactured by the Congress Party
and the columnists of H!ndustan T|mes like another Zia Ul Haq.!

Zia you have communal mind with no morals. You are trying to equate Modi with Aurangzeb. Your Muslim mind would not read the real history what Aurangezeb did to his Hindu subjects and his brothers. He was not an elected head of the state. Period. You are not worried about corruption and misgovernance and law and order situation in Muslim friendly states like UP, Delhi, Assam, Haryana, Andhra and…many other places. You are more worried about change of heart of Madni.

The real issues that we face are
CORRUPTION, NO Governance and NO Development !! We must focus on these
issues during the 2014 elections

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Secularism” , “Minority Grievances”, “Minority
identity” are all issues artificially manufactured by the Congress Party
and the columnists of H!ndustan T|mes like another Zia Ul Haq.!

Zia you have communal mind with no morals. You are trying to equate Modi with Aurangzeb. Your Muslim mind would not read the real history what Aurangezeb did to his Hindu subjects and his brothers. He was not an elected head of the state. Period. You are not worried about corruption and misgovernance and law and order situation in Muslim friendly states like UP, Delhi, Assam, Haryana, Andhra and…many other places. You are more worried about change of heart of Madni.

The real issues that we face are
CORRUPTION, NO Governance and NO Development !! We must focus on these
issues during the 2014 elections

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Agreed – it’s muslim columnists like these that perpetuate the muslim’s backwardness.

The world has accepted Modi’s 2002 Gujarat episode, like Congress’s 1980s Sikh episode, like Muslim’s Partition episode, like the British and Mughal episodes as manifestations of their time and situation and therefore without specific blame and further retribution.

However, the world is concerned about current behaviour, in India’s case, of behaviour of Pakistan and Muslims in general and the instability and chaos extremists in these communities create.

In terms of specifics, Modi offers rule of law, equality under that law, and freedom for all pusuits, whether economic or religious. In contrast Congress and its cronies in UPA offers only rape, pillage and murder, of both individuals and of the future of the Indian population collectively.

There’s always a rejoinder as to what BJP did under its release. Alas, had there been just one more term and India would have been a thriving, vibrant society. In it’s all too short tenure, it laid the foundation for economic resurgence, global political realignment, and the centre stage it now enjoys. Of course, UPA1 and 2 have been doing their best to undo all that: overseeing a chaotic demographic realignment, creating an amoral political and social structure, generating series of scandals that has created a lawless society sees rapes as a lesire activity, minorities that brazenly destroy property when shown a mirror, graft and murder from unrepentant politicians.

It’s not too late. Modi and BJP needs to be given a chance for 5 years to show he is Ashoka incarnate. India is a democracy and the Congress/Gandhi 60-year experiment must be accepted for the failure it is. Therein lies salvation for this great civilisation, my dear.

Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.

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Agreed – it’s muslim columnists like these that perpetuate the muslim’s backwardness.

The world has accepted Modi’s 2002 Gujarat episode, like Congress’s 1980s Sikh episode, like Muslim’s Partition episode, like the British and Mughal episodes as manifestations of their time and situation and therefore without specific blame and further retribution.

However, the world is concerned about current behaviour, in India’s case, of behaviour of Pakistan and Muslims in general and the instability and chaos extremists in these communities create.

In terms of specifics, Modi offers rule of law, equality under that law, and freedom for all pusuits, whether economic or religious. In contrast Congress and its cronies in UPA offers only rape, pillage and murder, of both individuals and of the future of the Indian population collectively.

There’s always a rejoinder as to what BJP did under its release. Alas, had there been just one more term and India would have been a thriving, vibrant society. In it’s all too short tenure, it laid the foundation for economic resurgence, global political realignment, and the centre stage it now enjoys. Of course, UPA1 and 2 have been doing their best to undo all that: overseeing a chaotic demographic realignment, creating an amoral political and social structure, generating series of scandals that has created a lawless society sees rapes as a lesire activity, minorities that brazenly destroy property when shown a mirror, graft and murder from unrepentant politicians.

It’s not too late. Modi and BJP needs to be given a chance for 5 years to show he is Ashoka incarnate. India is a democracy and the Congress/Gandhi 60-year experiment must be accepted for the failure it is. Therein lies salvation for this great civilisation, my dear.

Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.

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This writer, Bur ka du tt, Sun deep Ti wary are kon grass p aid agent to mis inform the general public of India. Just clic k on the name of the writer to see his continuous biased stand. I tried to report them but there is no office for media journalist regulation or registration in India.

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How stupid? How come Jaziya was discriminatory? Don’t u pay taxes to Indian government? Don’t Muslims pay Zakat tax every year? Muslims of India pay both Income tax as well as Zakat tax today and no one ever complained about it. So please get ur facts right before writing such non sense distorted history. Stop aiding Modi the killer.

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They call you Muslim? Perhaps a nincompoop may be more appropriate.

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This snake called Zia Haq is a classic example of a deceiving islamist- aka a Taqqiya (In Islam it is LEGAL to to lie to spread the word of Alla- such lies are sanctioned as Taqiya). Few months back this Zia said “Popular Front of India” – is a leftist organisation!!! They are in fact a SIMI offshoot based in Kerala. They are notorious for arm chopping of Prof. Joseph in kerala and forcing girls to wear burqas etc. But they know SIMi was banned and now they are calling themselves a left leaning organisation- based on their anti Americanism !! This Zia is providing them propaganda through his islamist column. Another day he said wearing burqa ‘protects’ women!!! This anti national, islamist, sexist bigot should be exposed thoroughly!

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Zia has cleverly skipped the Hyderabad blast, killing of hindus in BD and attacks on christians in Pak.

What does this tell about Zia?

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HERE’s WHY!!!
DEATH TO all u k2@s from this side of the gr8 divide,
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1. For all the 200 million hindus/sikhs/buddhists/jains(including brutal torture and killings of SIKH GURUS/their young SONS(ex: Guru Arjun Dev, Guru Tegh Bahadur, Guru Gobind Singh and his young sons) and R A P E and forcibly married/Killed millions of Hindu women/girls) etc non_muslims killed and many more forcibly converted(including ur coward Hindu ancestors) , for all the Lakhs of Temples, Gurudwaras, Buddhist Monasteries destroyed (including the temples of Kashi, Somnath, Ayodhya, Mathura and buddhist monasteries/universities at TAKSHSHILA AND NALANDA by Pislam before British arrived.
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2. For all the 70,000 hindus killed, 100,000 forcibly converted, 20,000 Malayalee Hindu women R a p e d and 100,000 Malayalee Hindus made homeless by k2@s in North Kerala(during Moplah rebellion in 1921).
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3. For all the 7000 Hindus killed in CALCUTTA within 1st 3 days of the Direct Action day started in Calcutta by K2@s on the call of JINNAH, and for all the 100,000 Hindus killed, 70,000 forcibly converted, and 15,000 Hindu women

r a p e d in NOAKHALI district of EAST BENGAL within a week of anti-hindu genocide done in 1946 by K2@s of Rural East Bengal.
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4. For the 5-10 million non-muslims killed, 2 million forcibly converted by k2@s in sindh, balochistan, khyber, West Punjab, east bengal during Partition in1947. (Ethnic Cleansing of millions of Hindus and Sikhs, R A P E OF around 100,000 HINDU/SIKH Women, and mass-suicide of 10-20,000 HINDU/SIKH WOMEN to escape k2@ mobs in WEST PUNJAB has been compared to the NAZI HOLOCAUST of JEWS by many Scholars).
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5. For all the 150,000 hindus killed in East Bengal(East Pakistan) by u k2@s in 1950 anti-hindu pogrom all across east pakistan, and for 1.5 million Hindus driven out to INDIA as refugees from East Bengal in the same year.
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6. For all the 200,000 Indian soldiers killed by k2@ jawans of Pakistan army during the 4 wars with Pakistan. (Each war started by Pakistan’s unprovoked aggression).
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7. For all the 2 million hindus killed, 1 million forcibly converted, 200,000 hindu women r a p e d, and 2.4 million Hindu refugees sent to India by k2@s during Bangladesh war in East Bengal, in 1971. (COMPARED TO THE NAZI HOLOCAUST OF JEWS BY MANY SCHOLARS).
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8. For all the 500,000 kashmiri hindus made refugees in their own country, 6000 of them killed after brutal torture in Kashmir valley by u k2@s in 1989. The Indian army Went to Kashmir valley only after the ethnic-cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus had been completed by Your K2@ brothers.
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9. For all the 50,000 Hindus killed, 100,000 driven to India, by k2@s, from Bangladesh in 1993-1994 when Begum Khaleda Zia’s govt came to power in Dhaka.
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10. For the 100,000 Indian soldiers killed in Kashmir valley since 1989(Indian army entered kashmir valley after the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus had been completed successfully by u k2@s) by k2@ terrorists.
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11. For all the 150,000 innocent Indians(98% of them non_muslims) killed by u k2@ terrorists all over India in bomb blasts, fidayeen attacks, mass-shootings, grenade attacks, etc since 1989.
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12. For all the thousands of hindus killed inside India by u k2@s in Riots since Independence (including the riots which u k2@s did all across India to mourn the demolition of a mosque built by a Uzbek moghul invader Babur after he destroyed the Ram temple in Ayodhya 600 years ago).
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13. For all the mayhem u caused inside India especially downtown mumbai,-desecration of amar jawan jyoti, molestation of police women and women, burning of shops, media vans, etc, and In downtown Lucknow-demolition of Gautam Buddha statues in broad daylight inside Lucknow’s parks(unreported by sickular media), molestation of hindu women on roads in broad daylight, burning of police vehicles and shops etc, just to protest against s0-called injustice to burma’s rohingya muslims (those started when rohingya muslim illegal immigrants(from Chittagong district of Bangladesh) settled in Arakan province of Burma, gang r a p e d and killed 2 innocent buddhist NUNS).
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14. For all the innocent Hindus killed in western Uttar Pradesh for 6 months in anti-hindu riots in muslim majority areas of Western UP, which u k2@s started
as soon as sickular SP govt came to power in UP (unreported by sickular media).
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15. For all the innocent 500 hindus killed in Gujarat(ignored by our sickular media) in 2002 by u k2@s(including the 70 innocent Hindus burnt alive inside the coaches of Sabarmati express by u k2@s, which started the riots).
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16. For the 50-60 innocent Hindu villagers killed, 100 missing, 50 hindu women r a p e d, and 1000 Hindu families made homeless after their houses were burnt down by u k2@s, all under the watch of the mute west bengal police of Mamata Begum, in 2 days of anti-hindu violence in NALIAKHALI (not noakhali of bangladesh) area of SOUTH 24 PARGANAS DISTRICT, WEST BENGAL, in February 2013, again unreported by Sickular media.
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17. For all the 250 hindus killed till now all over Bangladesh by YOUR(K2@s) JAMAAT-E-ISLAMI PARTY G00NS since last few weeks, during all the protests by u k2@s against the sentencing of JAMAAT war criminals of 1971 anti-hindu genocide of Bangladesh war of Independence.
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18. For all the Hindus who converted to Pislam in order to escape from the horrific HINDU CASTE SYSTEM injustices, only to find themselves brutally subjected to the similarly horrific Pislamic Caste system of ASHRAF(High caste muslims-Sheikh, Saiyyad, Mughal, Pathan, Maalik, Mirza etc), ALJAF(Lower caste muslims) and ARZAL(so-called Untouchable muslims), SHIA-SUNNI, BARELVI/HANAFI, WAHABBI/DEOBANDI, SUFI, AHMEDIYA, ORIGINAL ARAB MUSLIM and COVERTED MUSLIM divide, and etc etc.
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….and the list
goes on and on and on, and one day “Our Curse, tears, cries, screams for
justice” (which we haven’t got till now, thanks to Sickular parties of
India) will wipe u out of India once and for all.
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Yeah, U K2@s and
SICKULARS can TAKE UR DEMANDs FOR JUSTICE for 600 PUSLIMS KILLED IN GUJARAT TO GOD HIMSELF!! WE DO NOT CARE,
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WE WON’T CARE!! DO U HEAR!!!???

NOT UNTIL WE NON_MUSLIMS RECEIVE JUSTICE for ALL THE $ H I T

U K2@s HAVE DONE TO US NON_MUSLIMS listed in this post.

GET THAT IN YOUR THICKTAQQIYA-ridden/SICKULAR SKULLS( if u got any Brains inside it of course).
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DEATH TO PISLAM,
DEATH TO ALL K2@s, DEATH TO PUSLIMS, DEATH TO SICKULARS and LET US ALL IGNORE
rarer-than-platinum truly secular muslims, because they did not matter in the
past, they do not matter in the present , and they won’t matter ever in the
future too.
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DEATH TO PISLAM,
DEATH TO ALL K2@s, DEATH TO PUSLIMS,..for all the atrocities that they have done to SOuth Asia and its non_muslims(all in the name of ALLAH), and DEATH to
their Quran/Hadith-the books which contain nothing but utter HATRED and
VIOLENCE against everything Unislamic(not under the rule of P00Pet Mohmad and his pislam) under he sun.
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and DEATH TO ALL
THE SICKULARS INCLUDING KHANGRESS WHO ALLOWED U K2@s TO STAY ON IN INDIA EVEN
AFTER 95 % oF U K2@s(living in Hindu majority areas of undivided India) VOTED IN FAVOUR OF PAKISTAN’s CREATION, and DEATH to ur
K2@ bros across the border who wiped out Non_muslims from all k2@ majority areas of South Asia, while u k2@s continue to increase your population In India using the method of overbreeding like R A T S and Illegal infiltration form Bangladesh(through west bengal border and NE states borders) and illegal infiltration from Pakistan(through Rajasthan border);;;;
with the final goal of achieving GAZWA-E-HIND(Conquest of India by Pislam)=making INDIA DAR-UL-ISLAM=abode of Islam (as per the sickular instructions of Your SICKULAR FASCIST BOOKS QURAN/HADITH.).
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DEATH TO U k2@s!!!
for being a K2@!! and for being the follower of a PEDOPHILE P00Pet of Arabia,

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who married and r a p e d a 9 yr old girl-child, when he was 55,
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who married his own daughter-in-law after getting her divorced from his own adopted son,
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who killed the whole families(brothers, uncle, father, husband etc) of 2 young jewish girls(one was 17 yrs old, another below 25) with his own hands,

r a p e d those girls that very night, and forcibly married them a few days later, when he was more than 55 years old,
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a debauched P00Pet who allowed u k2@s to marry only 4 women at a time, and himself married more than 10 women,
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a P00Pet who called
all Non_muslim, Non-Xian, Non-Jew people as IDOLATORS, and yet asked u to Keep
a P U $ $ Y(VA GI NA) shaped BlackStone(Aswad) inside PI$LAM’s MOST HOLY
MOSQUE, the MASJID-AL-HARAM in Kaaba, MECCA, and asked you to Ki$$ it, and
asked u to do NAMAAZ facing that Blackstone containing Mosque, no matter
wherever on the planet u might be, because he told u that stone was a gift from ALLAH. (as if all other stones on the planet are gifts from SATAN??? hahahaha LOL)
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PS=[Muslims will become majority in India by 2035-2040, and then Non_muslims, where will YOU run?? nepal or bhutan?

All Sickular Non_muslims keep voting for Sickular parties on issues of Jaat-paat, Biradari, CASTE, economy, Food, Inflation, Infrastructure, Language, Roads, Regionalism, corruption, poverty, ILLITERACY,
GEnder discrimination,
and other such very important issues which all sickular parties have been miserably unable to solve for the last 63 years, yeah, keep voting like that and find out, that in 2040, where U WILL RUN TO, as REFUGEES, NEPAL or BHUTAN???

I HOPE U WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE before the sand of time runs out of your SICKULAR HANDS]
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NARENDRA MODI ZINDABAAD THE, HAIN AUR RAHENGE!!
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NARENDRA MODI PM BANKE RAHENGE AUR HUM HINDU UNKO PM BANAKE RAHENGE!!

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Tum sab k2e ek kaam karo! apni apni jhaanten nochke hazratbaaaaal masjid/dargah (srinagar, Kashmir valley) me jaake rakh aao, jahaan tum P00Pet MohMAD KI JHAANTON ki Ibaadat karte ho. JAI SHRI RAAAAM!!!!

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For a change , why doesn’t Zia focus on Pakistan and request his friends in Pakistan to go a bit easy on their minorities – the Shias, Ahmediyas, Christians and Hindus.
The recent bomb blasts in Shia places of worship, localities were barbaric and absolutely blood curdling, to say the least.
There are reports of an entire Christian neighbourhood being burnt down in Lahore, mercifully no one was killed.
Hindus – especially girls- have to live under the threat of Kidnapping, Forced Conversions etc.

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THIS ZIA IS A TAQQIYA MASTER!!
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TAQQIYA=acting, lying, deception, denial, false friendship, crying all the time against s0-called injustice to peaceful muslims, human rights, sickularism blah blah etc to F00L the Non_muslim to HIDE the REAL instructions of the fascist Books Quran/Hadith and to HIDE the real intensions of Puslims, this method of deception is only employed in case muslims are living in Non_muslim majority lands. there are many verses in the Quran/Hadith which explain ,how and when to do taqqiya, to muslims…following are some of those verses; -
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Holy Quran Verse 3:28 (Al-Taqqiya)

لَا يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ
دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ
إِلَّا أَنْ تَتَّقُوا مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ ۗ
وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ

“Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends
in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah
unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were)
security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the
journeying.”
============================================================Bukhari (50:369) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who voBukhari (50:369) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b’s trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.lunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b’s trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
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Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.
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Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”
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Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
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Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.
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Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
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Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”
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Know One thing, INDIA will remain a Secular nation only till the time We Hindus/XIans/Sikhs/Jains/Buddhists/Atheists and other non_muslims remain in majority in India, becoz all of us non_muslims do not have the habit of killing people in the name of God. XIanity has gone through a long, painful but much needed reform period which brought Europe out of the dark ages, but ISLAM is still stuck in TIME, in Bedouin Fascist culture of 6th century arabia.

But we shall remain in majority only till 2040, becoz after that time, Muslims will become majority (becoz of rampant illegal immigration of puslims from Bangladesh, and Pakistan, and Breeding-Like-R A T $ indian muslims who are growing at 2.5 times the rate of non_muslims inside India)

Read the following and open your eyes., these fascist, barbaric verses are what is taught to young muslim boys/girls across the islamic world from early childhood. These verses are from the Quran/Hadith.
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“The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6
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“Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another…” Quran 5:51 (Muslims love XIans/Jewslol!!)
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“He that chooses a another religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85 (Secular concept)
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Chapter 9: At-Taubah: “The Repentance”
Verse 30: “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
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Chapter 9: At-Taubah: “The Repentance”
Verse 29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book( Jews/Xians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
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Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding
will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
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“Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good – except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.” Quran 3:28 (Taqqiya)
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Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
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Chapter 4(An-Nisa: “the women”)
Verse 56: Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.
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Chapter 9: At-Taubah: “The Repentance”
Verse 5: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.
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Chapter 8: Al-Anfal: “The Spoils of War”
Verse 12: “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
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Chapter 61: As-Saf: “The Ranks”
Verse 4: “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way” (Religion of Peace, indeed! ) This is followed by (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.”
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Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”
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Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”
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“This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10
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“God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90
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“Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 2:286
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“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” Quran 9:73
=========================================================”Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.” Quran 9:123
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“Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers(Non_muslims). Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.
“Whenever, in their anguish, they(Non_muslims) try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!’” Quran 22:19-20
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“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29 (Secular concept)
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“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56 (peaceful verse)
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“Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy…” Quran 8:59-60
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“Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28
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Beautiful/Peaceful Islam Holy Book’s verses on WOMEN=following=
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“They ask you about menstruation. Say: ‘It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you….’” Quran 2:222
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“Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.” Quran 2:223
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“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34
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“A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.” Quran 4:11
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“[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.” Quran 4:24 (WOW!!!)
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“Rewards in Paradise” VERSES are following=
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“The righteous shall return to a blessed retreat: the gardens of Eden, whose gates shall open wide to receive them. Reclining there with bashful virgins for companions, they will call for abundant fruit and drink.” Quran 38:51-2 (WOW!!!)
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“God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran….” Quran 9:111
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“As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amid gardens and fountains, arrayed in rick silks and fine brocade. Even thus; and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.” Quran 44:51-54 (WOW!!!!)
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“On that day [the unbelievers] shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell . . . But in fair gardens the righteous shall dwell in bliss, rejoicing in what their Lord will give them. Their Lord will shield them from the scourge of Hell. He will say: Eat and drink to your hearts content. This is the reward of your labours. (WOW!!!!)
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“They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris [virgin girls] We shall wed them. . . . Fruit We shall give them, and such meats as they desire. They will pass from hand to hand a cup inspiring no idle talk, no sinful urge; and there shall wait on them(for Muslim Women Martyrs) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.” Quran 52:13-24
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“Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them.
(WOW!!!)
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“They shall be served with silver dishes, and beakers as large as goblets; silver goblets which they themselves shall measure: and cups brim-full with ginger-flavoured water from a fount called Salsabil. They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who to the beholders eyes will seem like sprinkled pearls. When you gave upon that scene, you will behold a kingdom blissful and glorious.” Quran 76:9-20 (WOW)
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Quotes from the Hadiths or Records of Mohammed’s Deeds and Words=following=
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“The Prophet…said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us.” Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2635
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“…the Apostle of Allah [said]: He who goes forth in Allah’s path and dies or is killed is a martyr…and will go to Paradise.” Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2493 (WOW!!!, so Afzal Guru is in Paradise right now!!!)
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“The Prophet…said: Our Lord Most High is pleased with a man who fights in the path of Allah…” Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2530
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“The Prophet used to go round (have $ e x u @ L relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.” Sahih Bukhari 7.62.6 (WOW!!!!, Prophet was a SUPERMAN)
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“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” Sahih Bukhari 7.62.88, 7.62.64 (thats So nice!!)
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“Once Allah’s Apostle went out to [offer the prayer]… Then he passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).’ They asked, ‘Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?’ He said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence.’” Sahih Bukhari 1.6.301 (Now, THATS SOME REAL GENDER EQUALITY CONCEPT RIght there!!)
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NON_MUSLIMS, all the VERSES above are TRUE and Just a TIP-of-the-ICEBERG of all the SECULAR verses of the Quran/Hadith, but actually U have to Know Arabic and understand the “CONTEXTS/TIMES/PLACES”(hahahaha LOL) of those verses in order to appreciate the PEACE & SECULARISM that ISLAM/PROPHET MOHMAD/QURAN/HADITH Preach! becoz
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The TRUTH IS THAT ISLAM WAS, IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE
A “RELIGION OF PIECE oops PEACE & LOVE & SECULARISM”!!! =-=—=-=9283240 029

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Zia,
A big part of Madni’s problem is – he has somehow bought into the notion that Mr. Modi is doing a favour to Muslims in Gujarat as there have been no riots past so many years and is subtly playing to the chorus. This fits rather well with the “Modi ji laao Desh bachao” campaign. A campaign based on dubious premise.

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Dear ZIA HAQ ,

in case you happen to read my comments you can introspect on my following questions 1) India for the last 66 Years Post INDEPENDENCE except for 6 Years of NDA & 3 Years of JP has been RULED by so called Secular Party/Parties. Why is that the conditions of common Muslims remain so pathetic? worse than other community. Its neither BJP or MODI who has ruled this larger part? 2) even in the last 8 years of UPA rule by the so called Secular Party how much of the social welfare program has reached the poor muslims? Still you want the average poor Muslims to be driven by the DIKTATS of clergy & the liberal middle class muslims by the so called JOURNALIST like you to BELIEVE that BJP or NDA is evil rest all secular party are angels. I think if average Muslims needs uplift themselves socio economically they need to take their own call on whom they think can really help them in improving their living condition rather than follow the Diktats of clergy nor the half baked liberals who just want to pocket their own share of fortune by siding with establishment & PROPAGATE lopsided stories To Put it in your own words “Relying on the so called Secular Party alone would be to fall one sandwich short of a picnic” which most of the Muslims have done & are sleeping hungry

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. Zia uses the word “creative” when describing the deobands stance against Pakistan. He uses that term in a negative connotation. So taking a stance against creation of Pakistan is negative in zia’s POV but he still lives in India. He is very transparent. His taqqiya is not “creative” enough. He needs to work on it.

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Author, are you stupid? Man wants to pour money and create jobs, lets facilitate the process of increasing investment by leading industrialists while taking care of environment, land and forest concerns. This reckless game of one-upmanship wont lead us anywhere. Remember, India is not the only country eyeing his capital. Just because we are 1 billion doesnt mean we have a birthright to do whatever we want. Such arrogance and misplaced confidence has led us to 5% growth from 10% a year. Request you to please please to be more thoughtful for our country’s sake.

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What Zamindari got to do with this. I don’t see any connection. Do you? You are saying like that as the minister did who wanted Mittal to ring him and plead. For God sake, in stead of apologising and assuring that India will not repeat this kind of behaviour, you are saying – take it or leave it we will remain the same. The fact is arrogance is in not just ministers of the govt, it is in ordinary folks too in India. No wonder, every body thinks nothing of rules. Those Indians who live abroad lose the habit if they ever had of bribing any one for things that should happen normally .In fact the expect the concerned ministry or dept will keep them informed of the progress after they have applied for permission from govt. I do not think this happens in India. When a foreigner whines, it does not bother any one, but when an Indian say the same. It still does not bother any one. Very strange. Is this how yoy or this govt will make India investor friendly. It simply does not matter if any one considers him an Indian or not. Business need profit otherwise it runs in the ground. Look at Air India. Only if govt still wake up to give it in pvt hands.

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Correct why to comment on Mittal even if I open a shop won’t i first try to earn money for myself and family without causing damage to society, Mittal has worked for what he has, why to act victim in everything day and night, why should he become to socialist,go to government office and check the attitude of babus, no file moves, may be he is not in mood to hand over few crores to our politicians, that is his choice, but don’t blame him.

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Zia Haq is a prime example of low quality journalism. This author does not understand economics and history and goes on to comment much like a two year old child.

For example – he is commenting on Britain’s recession hit economy – as if India is doing very well. As a comparison Britain’s per capita GDP is 35000, India is 1500.

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Many international agencies and businesses have called India one of the worst places to do business due to burueaucracy and corruption. Mittal is not the first one to say that.

Why call him anti- India for it? If he is anti- Indian , then what do you think of Kashmiris who keep killing Indian soldiers and even civilians? Or terrorists who regularly explode bombs in Indian cities which UPA blames on Indian Muslim groups?

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If the delay is for the right reasons’ I would agree with author. However most delays are due to red tape, babugiri, bribe or just political power play. Do you think western countries care less or more for their citizens. Most people would agree that value of life is more in west. How come they happen to clear projects faster

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Haha!!! writer has no idea how the world works these days…forget the ideal world of communism where no one owns anything. You need investors to create job, grow economy and create value added industry, otherwise you will export cheap iron ore and someone else will create steel and make most of the money.

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Mr. Zia Haq is absolutely right. No one can be deprived of his land without getting proper compensation as per market rate. Mr. Mittal want cheap land and cheap mines with the help of Government. All MNCs love only those Governments which provide them cheap land and other cheap inputs at the cost of people and resources of their country, for the very purpose they are ready to pay any bribe to anybody. That’s why they are not putting new factories in USA, Europe, Japan and other developed nations. We want development, but do not want to become slave of developed world by exporting them products at the cost of our citizens. We must grow up…

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What is the connection with him amassing the wealth with his good decisions and management techniques and zamindari system? In my opinion the name of this blog should be changed to a “A cynical perspective”.

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We need more Haqs and less of Chaddis. Period

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Does it make sense for an industrialist to put money in a country where he has to give a cut at all levels to push his projects through? The education in social welfare has to be given to our corrupt leaders. They are the ones who ahve created the new zamindari system

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I have just wasted 5 precious minutes of my life reading this piece of S**T

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What are you smoking? How does this trash get published in a national newspaper, sheesh.

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Have you or anyone in your family ever even run a corner “Kirana” store in your life?

Do you have any understanding at all of how economies work?

They do not work by rhetoric and thumping your chest. They work by taking pragmatic, effective and efficient decisions. None of which applies to India.

I guess having being brought up in an environment of politics of appeasement, in which you were provided things just because of your political affiliations, that you can not comprehend that Mittal owes India nothing. India needs Mittal, not the other way around.

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HT head Shobhana Bhartia is congress MP. HT also received illegal congress party fund money to save itself from bankruptcy which was on TV news as example of direct involvement of Rahul and Sonia in corruption.

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What lousy journalism. This article reads like written by some kid in college or highschool. Just rants and no reasoning…

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Does this blog meet the “MUSLIM” theme?

Zia should stick to only muslim issues.

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The article may or may not be great but most comments are. Cannot believe ppl are attacking Zia in Islamophobic way.
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pathetic

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Not valid arguments. This attitude towards industrialists is the reason for India being shunned by big ticket investors.

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chaddis

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Typical muslim mindet….Trying to abuse and degrade a proud Hindu son of India!!thses authors should not be given space in hT just because they are muslims but they should be able to write a balanced view as any other hindu writer about Indian issues and people!!

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“Mittal doesn’t do us a favour – to re-phrase Mahatma Gandhi’s advice to traders — by selling stuff to us;”
While most countries today are falling over each other to appear investor friendly, we are still stuck in “you do not do us a favor by putting an industry in our backyard”. Rather, pathetic.

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मुंबई में 1993 में हुए सिलसिलेवार बम धमाकों के मामले
में संजय दत्त को प्रतिबंधित हथियार रखने का दोषी मानते हुए भारत की सर्वोच्च अदालत
ने पांच साल की क़ैद की सज़ा सुनाई है. गुरुवार को प्रेस कॉन्फ्रेंस करते हुए संजय
दत्त फूट पड़े और कहा कि वो अदालत के इस फैसले कि खिलाफ़ अपील नहीं करेंगे.

इस बार होली में जब सारी दुनिया रंग और उल्लास में डूबी थी तो संजय दत्त के घर
में मातम पसरा था. उन्होंने ये स्वीकार कर लिया है कि अगले साढ़े तीन साल वो जेल
में बिताएंगे. सवाल उठता है कि संजय की जड़ें क्या इस तर्क का समर्थन कर सकती हैं
कि वो हिंदू विरोधी या मुस्लिम विरोधी किसी काम को अंजाम दे सकते हैं?

संबंधित समाचार

संजय दत्त: मुझसे ज़्यादा दया के हक़दार
दूसरे

हम हर विकल्प तलाशेंगेः प्रिया दत्त

संजू को सज़ा, ट्विटर पर दुख की लहर

इससे जुड़ी
ख़बरें

टॉपिक

भारत

जद्दन बाई

इन्हीं सवालों से उलझता इस बार होली पर मैं एक बार फिर यूट्यूब पर जद्दन बाई की
रचना राग दुर्गा में सुन रहा था. सुरों के आरोह-अवरोह से ऐसा महसूस हो रहा था कि
उन्होंने इसे 1930 के दशक में गाया होगा. 78आरपीएम के पुराने रिकॉर्ड से निकलनेवाले
गीत के बोल थे, “रूप, जोबन, गुण धरे रहते हैं इन भागन के आगे.” अवधी की इस रचना का
हिंदी अभिप्राय है कि भाग्य के आगे रूप, यौवन, गुण – ये सब धरे के धरे रह जाते हैं.
हैरानी नहीं होनी चाहिए कि कई लोग जो खुद को अयोध्या की विरासत को हिंदू होने से
जोड़ते हैं वो अवधी की इन पंक्तियों का अर्थ शायद ही समझते हैं. अवधी वो भाषा है
जिसमें तुलसीदास ने हिंदुओं के शोषण के लिए बदनाम किए गए मुग़लकाल में
‘रामचरितमानस’ लिखी थी. मलिक मोहम्मद जायसी और अब्दुल रहीम ख़ानेख़ाना शायद इस
पंक्ति का संदेश बेहतर समझते.

न तो जद्दन बाई और न ही राग दुर्गा की पहचान रंगों के त्योहार होली से है. आमतौर
पर होली के समय जो राग गाए जाते हैं उनमें खमाज, पीलू, ग़ारा और काफ़ी महत्वपूर्ण
हैं जो कि या तो दोपहर के बाद या पहले गाए जानेवाले राग हैं.

लेकिन आज होली के गीतों का मिज़ाज बदल गया है. अब होली मनाने वाले लोग माइकल
जैक्सन की भोंडी नकल वाले संगीत थिरकते हैं.

1993 में मुंबई में हुए धमाकों के सिलसिले में संजय दत्त को सज़ा
सुनाई गई है.

लेकिन होली की कई संगीत रचनाएं भैरवी, तिलक कामोद जैसे रागों में हैं जिनमें
मिथकीय देव कृष्ण और राधा की लीलाओं का उत्सव गान किया गया है.

गंगा-जमुनी विरासत

होली के हफ्ते की शुरुआत में मैं कराची से आई अपनी भांजी को लेकर दिल्ली में
ठुमरी के एक समारोह में गया जिसमें 80 वर्ष से ज्यादा की हो चली मशहूर शात्रीय
गायिका गिरिजा देवी का गायन होना था. वो शायद भारत की गंगा-जमुनी तहज़ीब वाली गायकी
की विरासत की कुछ आखिरी स्तंभों में से एक हैं. उनके समकालीन समकक्षों में रसूलन
बाई थीं जो जद्दन बाई की तरह ही दरबारी नाचने-गाने की परंपरा से जुड़ी थीं. रसूलन
बाई ने अपने विशिष्ट स्वर में राम और कृष्ण की भक्ति के कुछ पद गाए थे. उन्होंने
1970 के दशक में गाना तब छोड़ दिया था जब अहमदाबाद में उनके घर को एक हिंदू भीड़ ने
जला दिया था.

ये रोचक जानकारी है कि जिस अहमदाबाद ने नरेंद्र मोदी के धार्मिक असहिष्णुता के
ब्रांड को आगे बढ़ाया, वहां बेगम अख्तर और कई अन्य मुसलमान संगीतकारों और
कवियों-शायरों को भरपूर प्यार मिला. बेगम अख्तर की मौत अहमदाबाद में ही एक संगीत
कार्यक्रम के दौरान हुई थी. जो कि इस बात का प्रतीक सा बन गया है कि अहमदाबाद से
उन्हें इतना प्रेम था कि प्राण भी वहीं त्यागा.

मोदी के राज में

हाल ही में मोदी के समर्थकों ने 17वीं सदी के शायर वली दक्कनी की क़ब्र का अनादर
किया. ये वही वली दक्कनी हैं जिन्होंने हिंदुओं के मक्का कहलानेवाले वाराणसी के
बारे में कभी लिखा था, “कुचा ए यार ऐन कासी है, जोगिया दिल वहीं का बासी है.”

मोदी समर्थकों ने बड़ौदा में फ़य्याज़ ख़ान की कब्र का भी अनादर किया. वो एक ऐसे
गायक थे जिन्होंने अपनी कई रचनाएं कृष्ण और उनकी लीला को समर्पित कीं. गोपियों के
साथ कृष्ण की रास लीलाओं को अपनी रचना में जगह देनेवाले विख्यात लोगों में नवाब
वाजिद अली शाह का नाम प्रमुख है. अंग्रेज़ों द्वारा कलकत्ता के नज़दीक मटिया बुर्ज
में निर्वासित किए जाने से पहले अवध के इस नवाब ने ठुमरी और कथक नृत्य के लिए पद
लिखे जिनमें कृष्ण की लीलाओं और उनसे जुड़ी होली के उल्लास का महिमामंडन है.

वयोवृद्ध कथक नर्तक बिरजू महाराज ने नवाब की विरासत को संभाल रखा है. पिछले
हफ्ते उनके शिष्यों ने जब प्रह्लाद की कथा को नृत्य नाटिका के माध्यम से मंच पर
जीवंत किया तो कराची से आई मेहमान धन्य हो गई. होली मनाने की परंपरा प्रह्लाद कथा
से भी जुड़ी है. मेरी भांजी ने बताया कि कथक की विरासत को पाकिस्तान में शीमा
किरमानी नाम की नृत्यांगना बहुत परिश्रम से बचाने की कोशिश कर रही हैं.

संजय की जड़ों की तलाश

मदर इंडिया का किरदार निभानेवाली संजय दत्त की मां नरगिस के पिता
हिंदू थे.

सवाल उठता है कि जब मेरे आसपास की दुनिया रंगों से होली मना रही थी और भांग के
तरंग में डूबी थी तो मुझे जद्दन बाई और राग दुर्गा सुनने की ज़रूरत क्यों महसूस
हुई? हक़ीकत ये है कि मैं उस संजय दत्त के ख़ानदान की जड़ें तलाशने में लगा था जो
फिल्मों में ख़राब अदाकारी करते थे लेकिन खुद एक अच्छे दिल वाले इनसान हैं. हाल ही
में उन्हें मुंबई में 1993 में हुए बम धमाकों में कथित भूमिका के मामले में पांच
साल क़ैद की सज़ा सुनाई गई है. उनके पास एक प्रतिबंधित बंदूक और शायद एक पिस्तौल
पाई गई थी जो कि उन्होंने मुंबई अंडरवर्ल्ड के अपने कथित दोस्तों से हासिल किया
था.

संजय दत्त में हिंदू और मुस्लिम दोनों ख़ून हैं अगर खून को आप इस तरह समझ सकें.
उनकी मां 1950 के दशक की मशहूर अदाकारा नरगिस थीं जो कि जद्दन बाई की बेटी थीं.
जद्दन बाई के तीन बच्चे थे जिनके पिता तीन अलग-अलग शख्स थे, जिनमें दो हिंदू थे और
एक मुसलमान. नरगिस के पिता हिंदू थे और वो अकेले व्यक्ति थे जिन्होंने जद्दन बाई से
ब्याह रचाया था. संजय के पिता सुनील दत्त हुसैनी ब्राह्मण थे. किंवदंती है कि
हुसैनी ब्राह्मणों ने यज़ीद की सेना के खिलाफ़ कर्बला की लड़ाई में हिस्सा लिया
था.

‘लाचार मुसलमान’

संजय दत्त से जुड़ी धार्मिक विरासत की परंपरा चाहे जो रही हो, हक़ीक़त है कि
उन्होंने 1993 में मुस्लिमों के खिलाफ़ हुई हिंसा के विरुद्ध आवाज़ उठाई थी. शायद
उनके भीतर अपनी जड़ों को लेकर एक असुरक्षा की भावना पैदा हो गई हो जो आज खुद को
लाचार महसूस करने वाले मुसलमानों में पाई जाती है.

ये भारत में ही हो सकता है कि होली का सबसे लोकप्रिय गीत शकील बयायूंनी ने लिखा,
उसे नौशाद ने संगीतबद्ध किया और गाया शमशाद बेगम ने और इसे फिल्माया गया था नरगिस
पर. गीत था – “होली आई से कन्हाई, रंग छलके, सुना दे ज़रा बांसूरी”. इस ऐतिहासिक
फिल्म में नरगिस ने मदर इंडिया का किरदार निभाया था. नरगिस का धर्म क्या था? इस गीत
में गोपियां नटखट कृष्ण से गुज़ारिश कर रही हैं कि वो होली के मौके पर अपनी जादूई
बांसुरी बजाना बंद न करें. संजय दत्त की त्रासदी और जद्दन बाई की धर्मों की दीवार
को तोड़ती विरासत इसी गीत के मध्यम होते सुर से बंधे से लगते हैं.

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This article represents a gross misunderstanding of the subject by the author. The issue at hand is that the red tape in India is frustrating and it has to be fixed for the economy to grow.

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Everyone is Knowing that Gujrat riot was ordered by the Modi Government.every Muslim can not easily to remember this riot.There were many muslim killed in the incident .every Muslim can not be easily accepted Modi as a Prime Minister of India.

http://www.prlog.org/12113378-jimmy-jazz-promotion-code-enjoy-up-to-80-off-take-it-away.html

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India is a land controlled by cocky babus and politicians who are perpetually busy protecting their income sources. Their way of keeping the poor janata happy is by throwing crumbs at janata like Maharajas did. Industrialists and businessmen who create jobs are treated like dirt.
Every businessman wants to make money; in the process jobs get created and national wealth increases – leading to good for all. Rich NRI businessmen industrialists also want to make money and it takes some patriotism and courage to think of India with its red-tape and business unfriendly attitude. Unlike industrialists who are stuck with India, NRIs don’t owe shit to India and can take their investment elsewhere.
I think we deserve our rotten PSUs and DRDO type organizations whose incompetent and inefficient managers and employees have screwed this country all these years. DOT kept telephone prices high for half a century (till privatization) and Air India types cost govt. tens of thousand crores every year. Jaihind.

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Modi is so faced a Lots of difficulty for attract a more and More muslim in the next Loksabha election .what Muslim may be accepted as a Modil Prime Minister?

http://www.prlog.org/12109042-light-in-the-box-coupon-code-50-off-on-every-order.html

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