Godmen or businessmen?



I respect faith particularly when it concerns other people. This article isn’t therefore meant to mock anybody’s ashtha or belief in the goodness of saints, seers, yoga gurus or spiritual healers they trust and are willing to deify. It’s their business altogether so long as such belief doesn’t intrude into public space that’s common in a democracy.

My belief (yes that’s the word I want to use) as one who hasn’t yet hitched on to any so-called godman’s bandwagon is that all those who preach must practice the wisdom they distribute. Simple living is a pre-requisite for high thinking, like the ascetic (perhaps Dandamis) who ticked off Alexander’s emissary Onesikritos.

“The son of the mighty God Zeus, Alexander, sovereign of the world, commands you to go to him. If you comply, you will be rewarded. If not, your head will be cut off,” said Onesikritos. The ascetic replied: “I’m content with what I have. I don’t need any gifts. If he cuts off my head, so be it. God receives all when death sets them free, which is better than being received by Alexander the man. But for now, please move aside and allow the sun rays to fall on me…”

Swami Nigamanand who fasted to save the Ganga was an inspirational ascetic who died for the cause he undertook. But what does one make of five-star godmen with huge followings and huger treasure troves with lorry-loads of gold, silver and unaccounted cash? Don’t the Sai Babas, the Sri Sris, the yoga teachers and the modern day bapus (of Gujarat) who abound the God market imbibe and spawn as much black money as the corrupt political and corporate class?

If that’s so, should they be spared the scanner so rightly prescribed for the political class, just because a part of the high-value donations and offerings they get are used for helping the poor and promoting development projects in their areas of influence? Their devotees include film stars, politicians, business tycoons, influential civil servants, jurists and other professionals whose wealth isn’t always lily white. Many among them aren’t the most honest taxpayers. One doesn’t know whether what they share with their gurus is lawful pelf or bandit’s booty?

Anna Hazare does not fall in that category. Neither did much taller leaders such as Vinoba Bhave or Jayaprakash Narayan whose campaigns against corruption and social evils became catalysts for change purely on the strength of their credibility. The same cannot be said about godmen and gurus who preach transparency while presiding over billions worth of opaque empires. What’s the colour of their money? Is it any different from the black some among them want unearthed?

Long years ago, there was a yoga guru named Dhirendra Brahmachari who flew in planes and dealt in guns. He was hounded out because of and despite his proximity to Indira Gandhi. Need for an encore to similarly sort out his equally unworthy successors in the trade?

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  • pankaj#1

    Vinodji;
    99.9% agree with your lines, except for last line, which is pregnant with deeper meaning. I agree with this line too, to certain extent, but, present stance of this gentleman is for a worthy cause, like Anna. He should be sorted out later, just now, he should be used for a possible revolution of sort.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    “pregnant with deeper meaning”. May I ask when is the delivery?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    well, Shenoy Sahab, surgery was done a few days back. Nothing helped. GOI is working on it, Day and Night. Ha.

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    harneet Reply:

    Awesome article! I hope it educates a few and then they go on to educate a few more.

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  • Funny Side

    In this regard, only one institution run by its founder, Edhi of Pakistan, comes to mind. He is neither a Baba nor a Peer; he neither claims any saintly attributes nor has a religious-fan folowing. Yet he runs the biggest foundation in Pakistan for health and social service and is really providing great service to the downtrodden, orphans, sick and needy people over there. all on funds received in charity – and he never questions the color of money for he neither into self-agrandisement nor on any pretentious movements. In short, he is above board himself and keeps his organization soley dedicated to serving the needy. So much cannot be said about any baba, Swami or Peer in India, apart from the Mother teresa institution and the Gulbarga darga people who run a plethora of educational institutions (however, they also make money while providing free education to the needy).

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    shan Reply:

    Funnyside , Edhi originally hailed from Gujrat , india. ALSO EXCEPTION PROVES THE RULE , in pakistan girls get married to koran , and the same country has leaders with mass following who propound the theory that killig a muslim will land you in heaven with 72 virgins.The same people also provide lot of charitable work and has renamed as JAMAT -E- DAWAT

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    Raj Reply:

    Shan – What you say may be true – and I might agree with it. But just because this is an example should we reject it outright? Even IF it is an attempt at one-upmanship? Indeed, if it is, do we not know how to ‘manage’ it with some leadership rather than crawl into the gutters in the process? Can we not take the essence of what Funnyside said and accept it for what it is – on face value? Because Edhi is a GREAT example to emulate. This does NOT mean that we do not have our own examples. After all, Funnyside did point out a great example – that of Mother Teresa’s institution. Going down the path of derision is unnecessary.

    Raj

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  • Rajiv

    @Finny,
    agree with the comment about Edahi foundation but not that about Mother Taresa’s organization which is partly motivated by zeal for proselytization.

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  • Rajiv

    so called godmen doing business are same as politicians doing business.
    There are no laws against it and both are okay as long as they pay their taxes and dont cheat people or break laws.

    All godmen and politcians involved in business, should be subject to strictest scrutiny.

    Politicians in power , abusing their authority to make millions at the expense of the state ( mostly sonia-manmohan regime and its alllies now a days ) are guilty of both civil and CRIMINAL offenses.

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    kr Reply:

    and also many brothers of vinod sharma who could be called journalists or businessmen. as regards ramdev he has never claimed that he is a godman like the way he is being compared with other godmen. he is simply an evangelist for yoga and indian system of ayurveda. in none of his sermons he ever claimed status of a godman. and whatever he is doing he does have a right to run his institutions . why vinod is trying to bring down his credentials. what wrong he has done. or is it that he has been targetting vinod’s party (congress) on corruption.

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    Naveen Reply:

    Hi Rajiv, 100% agree with you

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  • http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com Shah Alam Khan

    Excellent piece Vinodji. Yes, it’s a market which is thriving in a nation with ignorant, poor and the underprivileged. On what hope can millions of have-nots of this country bank? The vacuum created by the lack of governance in all sectors combined with daily humiliation of caste, religIon, poverty and ignorance is quickly occupied by perennial babas, fakirs and pastors. We talk of lack of scientific attitude without realising that scientific attitude is meant for the literate; hungry and illiterate masses cannot and should not have a scientific attitude. As a doctor at the country’s premier Institute, I see a good number of patients “treated” by babas of the Ramdev type (BTW have even seen some treated by him). They come to us in the terminal stages when their last pennies have been drained and all they can find solace in is death. But the big question is whether we can blame these god men or should our focus be on the “good men” in power? Abject negligence by corrupt politicians and inefficient bureaucracy is the sine qua non of what epitomises the Indian state. Sai Babas, Ramdevs, Shri Shri (reminds me of Raj Kapoor’s Shri 4…), Dargha Peers, will come and go but the Indian masses will continue to fall behind them till we have an alternative, efficient system which gives food, health and education.
    Truly,
    Dr.Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi
    http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam Khan,

    much of what you said is true, but not entirely true.

    I have seen with my own eyes and from several personal narrations, the tremendous work done by Saibaba in Bangalore and Puttaparthi, where his suprer speciality hospitals treat, daily, hundreds if not thousands, of heart diseases, cancer and other serious ailments-ALL FREE OF COST. So far thousands of poor, very poor and destitutes and their families have saved their often sole bread-winners by getting free treatment at his hospitals. AND ALL THE FACILITIES ARE PROVIDED WITHOUT REGARD TO THE RELIGION OF THE PATIENT.

    This is besides his stupendous work in the areas of education,public health and sanitation. He has made it possible, without taking a paisa from the governments, for hundreds of villages in Tamil Nadu, AP and Karnataka to receive clean drinking water, which our welfare state had failed to provide for sixty years.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Well Shenoy Sahib, running free schools, hospitals, etc is also done by Tatas and Birlas. This is philanthropy and philanthropy cannot be a replacement for a welfare state. Also philanthropy and the garb of philanthropy does not prove the piousness of any swami, baba or peer. When money comes in tons there has to be an altruistic mask……both for individual narcissism and for social acceptance. Unfortunately in praising Sai Baba you are overlooking the unscientific, superstitious dogma which he promoted unabated in all the years of his “service” to the people of this country. I also appreciate the bold font used in your comments to typify his non religious selectiveness for philanthropy. Sorry Sir, doesn’t impress me. I am of the belief that religion in our country is the deadliest weapon which can be used at will, by anyone who can generate passion on any side of the religious divide. So it does not matter to me if the philanthropy of Sai Baba helped a Muslim or a Hindu. What definitely matters is the vacuum which he so profoundly used (and for so long) to his advantage.
    I am sorry if I have hurt any sentiments in the course of this discussion.
    Truly,
    Dr.Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi

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    Arti Sharma Reply:

    Dr. Khan,

    Loved your analysis..literally. Sometimes …such non-partisan and bold reviews make one feel emancipated. And give a glimmer of hope that somehow we as Indians have not gone bankrupt intellectually..still! You are right in challenging the subjective and relativist support people end up making to validate such Baba systems.. no need to be apologetic! Kudos..to professionals and Indians like you that we are still surviving as a nation despite allowing our corrupt politicians to rule us!

    Mahesh Reply:

    Dr. Khan,
    IMHO, sheer in-accessibility of medical services could be a culprit in driving “base masses” to the god-”men” and all their “magical remedies” (notice the emphasis on “men”, gender inequality plays out “nicely” here as well) in the hope of “miracle cures”. Our polity failures are of such magnitude that public healthcare policy is rarely ever brought up as a topic in public discourse. Compare that with political fight ensued in U.S. over this very same same issue. So much so that the policy discussion on Public health made its way to the mainstream media and continued to occupy sufficient space for quite some time.
    - Mahesh.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Great analysis Mahesh and I totally agree with you. Healthcare doesn’t exist in the National imagination. Why to compare with the US? The annual expenditure on health is a dismal 3.8% in India as compared to 5 % in Brazil, 6% in Sri Lanka and 5% in China. The levels of childhood malnutrition are worse than those seen in Sub Saharan Africa. In some health indices even Ethopia comes before us. We are told that the life expectancy has doubled in last 100 years in India. It has improved in urban India but look whats happening in rural, adivasi India. The life expectancy of most adivasi females in Bihar (Godda district) is around 43 years! More than 60% Primary Health Centres, the lynchpin of healthcare in our country, are without doctors. One out of every three children dying due to diarrhoea is an Indian. Every third patient of TB on the planet is an Indian. So much for India Shinning.
    Honestly the onus of all this cannot be laid at the feet of god-men. Its a total failure of governance. The basic document for healthcare set up in India is called the Bhore Committee report, formed in 1947 to recommend a comprehensive healthcare system in the country. If you read the document now, 63 years after it was conceptualised, you can see the glaring mistakes of those days. Honestly Mahesh we didn’t get independence on Aug 15, 1947, there was just change of power from- one sahib to another…..and it betrays us till date.
    PS: Sorry for a long reply….just got carried away!!
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan

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    Vox Populi Reply:

    Dear Shah Alam Saheb:
    I read in the New York times that India spends 1% of its GDP in health care and 9% of GDP for Energy Subsidies. When one lands in Mumbai or Hyderabad what catches your eye is the stunted physique of the populace. We are fast becoming the new Bantus it seems.
    Your patience in replying in these columns is quite praiseworthy!

    Raj Reply:

    GREAT responses, Dr Shah Alam Khan! Fully concur with your approach on most aspects, and how you handled what was implicit in Mr. Shenoy’s statement, howsoever innocent it might have been. There are some aspects where I have a different view from yourself, not necessarily ‘more correct’.

    Yes, philanthropy is ‘different’ from spirituality. But, as you clearly imply and I fully concur, we have created the space for Godmen – Babas, Fakirs, Pastors – in our country by not having adequately addressed the needs of the population. If all of the issues that you identified had been addressed, this ’space’ would perhaps have been constricted considerably. Isn’t that exactly the reason that wisdom tells us that typically people approach ‘Religion’ and ‘God’ largely in times of need? I think it is OK to take things on their face value, rather than viewing it judgmentally.

    Let us not forget that most religious orders anywhere in the world do take up Education and Health services and there are ‘ulterior’ motives of ‘missionary zeal’, from the perspectives of others. The grounds that you use (perhaps rightfully) for your protestations, should not in turn, become the grounds for reciprocal protestations from the other side, though a healthy debate never hurt. Does the good work of Dr. Edhi in Pakistan have to be derided (as one of the comments on this board suggests) merely because someone feels that he could be narcissistic and his acts contribute to his ego? Can the ’strong’ approach of Mother Teresa be dismissed because it is interpreted as an ‘ego’ and based on ‘missionary zeal’? After all, at some level, ego has to be good, and is perhaps NECESSARY to make an impact – and I am sure that you know this from being a Doctor. Science can only defend religion to the extent that religion does serve as an opiate for the masses – (unfortunately) thankfully so – an serves to define ideals, regardless of how the ideals are interpreted sometimes before corrective actions are taken by society as a whole. On the other hand, I do wish that people knew how to be tolerant of this evil of religion.

    None of the above comments should suggest that there aren’t people who will not take advantage of society’s opportunities. But shame on them. When the balance of good (versus the bad) is lost, society addresses it in many different ways and the indulgent individual receives his/her dues. Something to be said about Lincoln’s message about being able to fool someone sometime, but not all people all the time.

    Warm Regards

    Mohan R Reply:

    Mr Khan

    “” Honestly Mahesh we didn’t get independence on Aug 15, 1947, there was just change of power from- one sahib to another…..and it betrays us till date “”

    You words truely reflects the condition of our country. Sad but true.

    shan Reply:

    @MohanR , your obesience to Mr khan for this utterly FALSE statement , that after 1947 only change of power took place , is breathtaking.
    Mr Khan could utter those words because he was fortunate enough to be born AFTER 1947,
    he wouldn’t have reached the age that he is now in preindependent INDIA.
    MR KHAN COULD DO WELL TO WATCH THE GERMAN FILM “LIFE OF OTHERS ” or at least look it up in wikipedia. He will consider himself fortunate to have been born in India ,WE TAKE DEMOCRACY FOR GRANTED IN INDIA, perhaps DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM IS NOT HIGH ON THE LIST OF PRIORITY IN HIS LIFE.

    Mohan R Reply:

    Shan,

    I respect your views but I dont agree with you. The elected people should be SERVING
    not RULING. The problem is that they think that they are the RULERS as Britisher’s were.

    Mohan R Reply:

    VijayKumar/Prabhat/Pankaj,

    A nice, short and interesting article on caste.

    http://devdutt.com/organism-to-organization/

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan R;
    What a lovely piece of writing. Yes, I think my post also had this basis on caste, which I must have imbibed from other articles, read over a period of time. Fully agree with your / writers analysis.
    Thinking, intellect has never been restricted to a designated group. Every human being has been endowed with this wonder of evolution, a human brain.
    One example, which my CEO quotes often, is the one of lowly office assistant lady, who created first sticky notes and revolutionized office practices world over. It is now a multi BILLION dollar business.
    And by the way, confusing Varna by color and relegating people on skin color to lower caste is challanged by observation that many gods of hindus were dark colored like Krishna, Ram and Shiv. so much for color prejudice of hindus.

    Mohan R Reply:

    All the article of Devbutt Patnaik are very interesting . The beauty about him is that
    he is never judgemental.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Mohan

    article worth reading….

    shan Reply:

    @MohanR , No where in the world you will find such a perfect ideal. it would be great if the science of fusion came into being tomorrow and we had unlimited supply of energy.
    AS THE ENGLISH SAYING GOES “LIFE ISN’T PERFECT IS IT”
    In the mother of all parliament , that is WESTMINISTER , ROBERT WALPOLE the first british PM entered politics as a pauper ended a MILLIONAIRE.
    You seem to forget CONGRESS DIDN’T GET INTO WHERE IT IS NOW BY DIVINE INTERVENTION
    FOLKS LIKE YOU HAVE VOTED THEM IN, AND CAN VOTE THEM OUT.

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you said, with fake sincerity, “This article isn’t therefore meant to mock anybody’s ashtha or belief in the goodness of saints, seers, yoga gurus or spiritual healers they trust and are willing to deify.”
    AND you ended up doing precisely that.

    Dhirendra Brahmachari was ten times more powerful, resourceful and godly than Ramdev could ever dream of becoming, as long as he had the dynasty on his right side. The day he fell foul of it, he was ‘hounded out’ as you said.

    You have taken an unwarranted swipe at Sai Baba. I am convinced you have, situated as you are in a high rise ivory tower, never had an insight into the work that Sai Baba has done in the areas of public health, sanitation and education. Even an avowed atheist like Karunanidhi has acknowledged Saibaba’s selfless service to humanity. The recent recovery of undeclared, unaccounted wealth in his residence post-his death doesn’t take away even a bit from the hugeness of his good deeds. You would at least have done some research on him before sniggeringly write him off as a godman, to be meted out, by your government, the fate that befell Dhirendra Brahmachari.

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    shan Reply:

    Just doing some “good work” cannot absolve anybody from the standards that a society sets to judge WHO IS HOLY WHO IS NOT. Lot of marwari businessmen donate to different organisation.
    Arab dictators donate to gain influence , USA UK does with sole purpose of advancing their ECONOMIC INTEREST.
    An anecdote about Sai Baba is apt here
    The great majician PC SORCAR went to see BABA. knowing he was bengalee , baba produced RASGOLLA out of air and gave it to sorcar. Sorcar PRODUCED TWO and gave back to baba
    A SIMPLE TRICK OF PALMING

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    Abraham Kovoor is another name that is difficult to forget in the context of Satya Sai Baba. P.C. Sorcar (how do you spell sarkar ?) was much later .
    - Mahesh.

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    shan Reply:

    @Mahesh, he writes SORCAR , but generally lay people write sircar.or sarkar. His father was also a great magician. Long before Japan became the centre of attention of the world , SORCARSnr had a massive following therein 60’s. He was awarded SAMURAI SWORD.
    just because japan hadn’t risen to the height that it did later , this acheivement of sorcarsnr went largely unnoticed

    on a separate note watch this film of Ray called Fatikchand. I am not sure if you can get a DVD , but you can access it on You Tube . With a simple story line Ray exposes the horror of CHILD LABOUR in India . Absolute masterpiece.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh,

    the same Abraham Kovoor had nothing to say and do when a Christian preacher Benny Hinn came with a plane load of preachers and did miracles on cripples, epilectics, “sick” and “suffering”, with guaranteed success. Chief Ministers, governors and MPs lined up the tarmac of his plane with huge garands and bouquets, whenever he landed in India.

    Shoeb K Reply:

    Sai Baba did not take the donations to support his children or relatives — he redonated that to the betterment of society in hthe form of schools, hospitals, waterworks etc

    No relative of Sai Baba came to claim the property or position, unlike the Gandhi family (not Mahatma Gandhi), YSR, Karunanidhi, Dev Gowda, Lalu Prasad, Pawars etc etc

    People who criticize charismatic gurus or leaders are self loathing losers who are vfrustrated that they could not become one like these Men/Women

    Two weeks ago, I attended Mata Amritananda Mayi meeting here in US. The auditorium was full of “white people” and a few Indians to see this dark diminutive lady. She never , even for a moment, said she is sent here by God . .Ay follower of sy of these people do derive some stisfaction/happiness that they do not get from other sources.

    We are living in a borderless world. There are Indians who love Italian food, pray to Shrdi Baba, like teeshirts and jeans; there are Americans who love Tandoori chicken, pray to Ammachi, wear pajama kurtas, there are Italians who worship Satya Sai Baba (a lot of Italians do), wear dhotis, eat south indian vegetarian…

    People like vinod — get used to it rather than criticizing. ,

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    shan Reply:

    @shoebK , nobody is criticising the SPIRITUALITY INDUSTRY, for bringing in all the foreign exchange. So long they dont use simple magic tricks and chemistry(the ash or bibhuti dripping from sai baba’s photo) to gain confidence of people . A similar act in selling a TV or any consumer good would be contravening
    TRADE DESCRIPTION ACT

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Shan-

    Well there will not be any poor magicians if they could duplicate …That one magician could fool all, and others could not– u ahve to congratulate teh winning magician..

    Listen, there is no hard coded rule that the Prophet was the last prophet. If a Prophet could be born in 630s, new prophets could be born subsequently..(yes, my head is demanded by Mullahs! non-believer, heretic, Sufi, unwahabi whatever)
    Text books of 50-75 years from now will say Shirdi Baba was a prophet, Sai baba was a prophet etc..It just happens, you can say as in evolution. Documents and acts get
    examined, redocumented, recertified…
    As they say we all have God in us. Some cultivate and come out of the shell. You and I cannot be the only smart pople; and the 40 million who worrship Shirdi Baba, Satya Sai BAba etc cannot be stupids too.

    Shirdi temple is the seccond richest temple in India after Tirupati. Not a “God” temple (I mean Krishna etc) . So people choose. I bet Puttaparthi will be the first or second richest temple 30 years from now. Let us not label people “dumb”.

    shan Reply:

    @ShoebK, harry porter author made BILLIONS , that book is of the standard for the kids with learning difficulty. Karan Jihar film kabhi khushi kabhi gum , is for braindead people , yet made some 200 crores.
    As they say LIES DAMN LIES AND NUMBERS(well it is statistics).

  • Raju Kurien

    One who talks about dfuties.. Coming from the congress boot-ll–er.

    So godmen has a set of rules; but not for politicians, and oh oh journalists??

    There is no scripture, or manmade or Godmade rule that Go0dmen choose “poverty”.. Sai BAba, Ammachi, SriSri, and many others have following , a free society allows anybody nto choose whatever they believe in. As longa sthey do not exhort, do not pay taxes, do not have “books’, the government can prosecute..But in the absence of that it is a “crying wolf”..

    Sai Baba never asked his devotees to pay anything; his devotees from all over the world including people like tiger , the founder of Hardwood Cafe just donated and donated.. His two super spcialty hospitals give total free treatment, have US and other highly skilled doctors who consider this as service. He has done to rayalseema that no govt ahs been able to do.

    Arrest them if they commit crimes. There is no meaning in insulting followers.

    High advice from a congress politician journo is little too high ad hollow

    Physician heal thyself

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    Raj Reply:

    It is isaac Tigrett of Hard Rock Cafe. Just typos, I am sure.

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  • ishwar

    “Godmen or businessmen?” – now what’s that, Mr. Sharma?

    Even if they are businessmen, what’s your problem? Is it illegal to do business in this country?

    “Simple living is a pre-requisite for high thinking…” should it only apply to the set of people you seem to dislike and disrespect? What about your queen who has has amassed billions (and I am being modest here) looting this country? Do you also have any standards for her and her ilk?

    You are doing a great job of deflecting the issue and targetting the individual.

    I was wondering how would you and the Congress party reacted if Baba Ramdev had converted to Islam before lauching his fast against black money stashed abroad?

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    Naveen Reply:

    @ishwar, good question. Congress is a useless government, and plays for vote bank.

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  • Ravi

    Shan

    The bog changed before I was able to reply to your question.

    I have this on my music player.

    This is the original version of

    “O sajna barkha bahar aai, ras ke phuhar lai, akhiyon me pyaas lai.

    One hell of a great tune, great song.

    Love it

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi, first inspired by your posting of the lyric Na to karban ki talash hai, I listened to the song three times today on YOU TUBE. The words are breathtaking , THIS IS SECULARISM AT ITS PRISTINE

    Next is the Lata song. No it is not that song , the bengali version of that song is sung by Lata
    you can access it in You Tube , just type Na jeyo na , Ekhono Rajani Baki you tube
    The shyamal mitra song , just follow this link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGxD09e6aI8

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone.
    I still feel that it is lack of governance that left a huge space for people to fill that void. Be it NGOs, Godmen, Underworld people or whatever. A clean, efficient and transparent governance will not give space to these people. This governance should be non discriminatory, for people, of people and by people.

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Shenoy/ Vinod;
    As the time is passing, it is getting difficult to have a hearty laugh. I am thankful to both of you from the heart of my bottom (ooops, I meant, bottom of my heart) as you people gave me an opportunity for a hearty laugh. With apology to both of you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is Religion a Business?

    No one can deny that some people feel the need to get rich, to gain and hold power.

    Establishing a business is one way of satisfying this need. Let us look at the ingredients of a successful business.”

    INGREDIENTS OF A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS

    1. Find an existing demand and/or create a demand. (Like a basic human need to know the meaning of life and what happens after one dies)

    2. Become the major supplier of your chosen product.

    3. Convince people they need your product – something good will happen if they have it (Moksha milega, Heaven, 72 Virgins)

    4. Convince people that if they do not have your product that something bad will happen. (narak millega)

    5. Insure a healthy profit margin – revenue exceeds expenses (Merchandise with magic potions)

    6. Create a product that produces a continuous stream of profits with numerous repeat customers (Har roz divan sajana chahiye)

    7. Have a marketing plan to increase sales ( A charismatic leader with TV manners should do it, Billy Graham, Dalai Lama, Pope, Ramdev)

    8. Employ an effective sales force that is effective and has responses prepared for anticipated objections (Camouflage recruitment by offering psychological profiling)

    9. Limit overhead costs (Enrol free volunteers to do lots of jobs for free)

    10. Build an infrastructure that will continue the business far into the future ( Establish places of worships as if they are shops)

    11. Have powerful, persuasive, enthusiastic, credible, dynamic leadership (self evident)

    The Church of Scientology follows all of the principles, most of these apply to the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Various Sufi sects, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, etc etc.

    I will let ou make your judgement if Ramdev fits this bill or not.

    जब के तुझ बिन नहिँ कोइ मोजूद
    फिर यह हंगामा ऐ खुदा क्या हे

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi you have a strong point. IN USA RELIGION IS A HUGE BUSINESS.
    THERE IS DISNEY WORLD CLONE RELIGIOUS THEME PARK BASED ON BIBLE

    The Bible Park USA (BPU) is a non-denominational Bible-based themed attraction depicting well-loved Bible stories and providing an authentic historical representation of life as it was in ancient times in the Holy Land. BPU is a unique concept that has been carefully conceived and tested to ensure a comprehensive, enjoyable experience for the guest. In addition to the entertainment and educational experience, the Park offers a state-of-the-art music recording studio, a covered amphitheatre for music concerts, a museum where rotating Biblical exhibitions will be scheduled, and a theatre where several Broadway-level Biblical plays will be produced annually.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoyji;
    Naraj na hon. My this post was in reference to the previous post, where you had offered bandgala from your factory and Vinod’s reaction to that. It made me laugh really hard.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The fear of Vinodji accepting my offer has now receded. Manmohan Singh is reported to be very angry with the constant nibbling at his feet by the Amul baby’s blood hounds and he is meeting Sonia Gandhi with a list of complaints against this Digvinash Singh, who spells vinash for MMS’s position as PM. As an expert fabricator, Digvinash has clarified, ” maine aisa to nahin kahaa thaa”

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  • Hari

    Godmen and business havebeen linked more in Abrahaimic religions than Eastern religion.
    Roman Catholic Church has had investment in armaments, drug that produce contraceptives and banking. In Indian in realtive to the population the wealth of Church and Waqf board is far higher than any Hindu organization.

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  • n disuza

    Hello writer. Please try to look deeper into the subject. Why have all these people cropped up all of a sudden?
    The reason is governance deficit. As expected congress & Co can’t see this, doesn’t want to resolve this. This is gradually becoming electoral issue which if not addressed will wash away the corrupts like Sonia & Co mercilessly. Be ready & prepared.

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  • bobby sen

    This blog would not have been written had Ramdev not raised his voice against corruption.

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    shan Reply:

    @Bobby my mate, need some detail input from you. actually first let us accept INDIA IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY VERY RECENTLY RELEASED FROM COLONIAL RULE.Also it is physically decolonised but mentally still colonised.It is just like a very poor student , struggling to get pass mark.
    Indian couldn’t even formulate its own laws , latching on to laws laid down by the british , which the british have junked long time ago in their country. Indian industry is a joke. I was researching Bhusan Steel.Apparently founded by a retired army major. I was not aware in army they teach you about mettalurgy. So as Boudalaire said BEHIND EVERY GREAT FORTUNE THERE IS A CRIME
    now this bhusan steel is totally dependent on the technology provided by SUMITOMO of japan,so much for indian industrial acheivement
    I will give you first hand account of corruption in indira gandhi era, heard from my relative
    apparently there was a policy decision , to give loan only to farmers , and not to industry.
    Now marwaris with collusion with bank mangers and politicians in delhi worked out an elaborate scam. The banks give loan to ndhra farmers. The marwari signs an agreement to transfer all the loan to the marwari. and we are talking about say 20000farmers. Now the farmers dont get their money back so cannot refund the loan. Govt arranges LOAN MELA.The manager gets a cut , the politician and THE PARTY gets a cut ,rest is pocketted by the marwari
    if you had read S wajed Ali, Sei tradition somane cholachey(same tradition continues)
    His dad was given MONOPOLY license by congress govt , to produce polyester in return for hefty party and politician backhanders.Now the son is at it again . Mukesh ambani gives FLAT to the DG hydrocarbon. all it takes is some one of the stature of Cromwell to sweep clean the system. IN INDEPENDENT INDIA NOT A SINGLE HIGH PROFILE BUSINESSMAN /BUREAUCRAT/POLITICIAN HAS BEEN SENT TO JAIL
    As for BaBA he is BUFFOON AND A FRAUD, THOUGH ONE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND THE SWINDLERS OF 2G LICENSE IS BREATHING THE AIR OF TIHAR JAIL

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  • http://Web.de N Sharma

    I am happy to see that somebody brought this topic to fore. My theory about Godmen is that they are
    also a product of lobbies who bring them to prominence for their gains. The more the so called religious
    people the more of this increase in corruption. After all the same people are more scared of their deeds. I remember this DDA official who was most corrupt and had on his desk the big picture of a goddess. Similar experience is around in the increased number of people going to pilgrimages. It is easy to guess why the present CM of Karnataka goes to each temple. It is a pity that politicians have taken to religion in order to attain power. The American president Bush also called himself a Born Again Christian and what a mess he has left behind. Religion should be kept away from politics and my request to Anne Hazare is to keep the babas at a distance.

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  • ANIL

    Why the issue is so ticklish for you? Anyone who is a deeply religious person or a businessman does not matter, has the right to protest against corruption and both as well as others have deep interest in having a corruption free environment.
    A corruption free environment may not be good for some it is good for future generation including the childrens who are born in families of corrupts.
    Do you support corruption?

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  • EMKAY, USA

    I don’t think Ramdev claimed anytime a godmen, like others for example Sai Baba of Puttaparti; Ramdev is doing a kind of service thru yoga, one may call it a business wrongly; Sai Baba of Puttaparti, claims he was Sai Baba of Shirdi in the previous times, with which I contradict totally. I have seen at his young age about 50 years back, doing some kind of magic and fooling; Here, I would like to pose a serious question, why he accepts money, jewelry, etc., from others, while he can create the same, and used to give the so-called devotees !? About 3 or 4 decades back, when a ceylon notorious magician challenged him to bring a pumpkin out of his mouth, instead of pulling a tiny siva linga ( this is absolutely absurd ). I have seen the siva linga episode, which has astonished – he didn’t bring out any linga, but he picked up wisely and briskly from the knapkin, where there was already a linga, which he took it very closely to his mouth, as if he is pulling the linga from his mouth. Such kind of magics are performed by him, and even the top leaders are hoodwinked. When Neelam Sanjiva Reddy was the CM of Andhra, he used to safeguard him, and vice versa, where the money played very much.

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  • Indian

    Puttaparthi Sai Baba is the trend setter for all these Baba cults. For us only Sai is Sri Shirdi Sai Mahraj. He rests in Shirdi nothing else.

    Leaving aside. PUttaparthi baba’s so called thousands and lakhs crores whats the accountability? Whats the source? Most politicans cried during his death might have hidden their black money in the trust in form of Hawala. In US these type of person would have been booked under Anti Money Laundering or under Patriot act, unfortunately in India though laws exist the lawmakers are boot lickers of these fake swamijis. All mutts and ashrams have thousands of crores stashed in their accounts with sources not revealed cleanly. First step close all these monetary ashrams and monitor all transactions done by religious institutions rigorously. Wish Anna Hazare fasts for this this is first step to rout the black money its existing within India inside INdia not outside.

    While WORLD IS FOCUSSED AT FOREIGN ACCOUNTS MAJORITY OF MONEY IS HIDDEN IN THESE ASHRAMS. RAID THEM. YOU WILL HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

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  • Indian

    SHIRDI SAI NEVER LOVED MONEY NEVER TOOK MONEY HE GAVE EVERYTHING DURING HIS SAMADHI THE LAST 9 RUPEES WERE GIVEN TO LAXMIBAI

    SWAMI VIVEKANANDA, RAMAKRISHNA PARAMAHAMSA NEVER OWNED OR TOUCHED MONEY

    SHRI CHANDRASEKERASARASWATHI SWAMIJI NEVER TOUCHED MONEY

    WHY DO SANYASI NEED MONEY? WHY DO THEY NEED ASHRAM, AIR CONDITIONING, FLIGHTS, CARS, WOMEN, SEVAKI, SEVAKS, MASSAGES

    WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BRING OUT LINGAMS, VIBHUTHIS, GEMS, DIAMONDS.

    WHERE ON HELL OR WHOSE PROPERTY THEY LOOT?

    SHIRDI SAI ADMONISHED ONCE A MAGICIAN WHO BROUGHT THINGS FROM NOWHERE TELLING HIM, HE CANT STEAL FROM NATURE.

    IN THIE NAME OF SAI, UNFORTUNATELY SO MANY ******** AND THIEVES CHEAT PEOPLE.

    SAI IS ONE, HE IS IN SHIRDI NO WHERE ELSE. HIS MALIK IS ALLAH UNIVERSAL GOD.

    GOD IS ONE WHETHER RAM, RAHIM OR JESUS OR YEHUDI

    PEOPLE SHOULD STOP FOLLOWING THIS FAKE FOOLS AS THESE SO CALLED BABA WAS ATTENDED BY PLETHORA OF DOCTORS. IF HE IS MIRACLE OR MAGICIAN WHY HE NEEDED LIFE SUPPORT WHEN HE WAS DYING??

    SHIRDI SAI NEVER ALLOWED DR. TO TOUCH OR TREAT HIM. DR. Parmanand was not allowed to heal his wounds out of burn rather allowed to stay and receive his blessings.

    Ajmer shahib chisti, Golden temple Guruji, Shirdi Sai, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda, Akkolkot Maharaj, Sri ChandrasekrendraSaraswathi swamiji, Sri RAmanujam, Adi Sankara, Digambara, Kabir all belong to Sadgurus and Swamijis, there is none other than them in this world now whom we are aware of lives in pure self.

    Purity in self is must, which is missing.

    Foolish people listen to the dr.s advice. I fully support AIIMS drji and Vinodji for their attempt to open eyes of these stupid fools.

    Religion is man made, GOD IS ONE., ALLAH MALIK, JAISHRI RAM, LOVE IS JESUS ALL CARRIES SAME MEANING.

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  • Sanjay Khanna

    question about breach of trust comes too….where you gain confidence of people, for example being a yoga teacher and utilise the cumalative strength of following to another cause which is niether your field nor concern….only reason the excercise is done to show strength to gain more power….in other words to force more favours for yourself…

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  • Lakshmi

    Earning money is not sin or against any religion, so don’t tell them to resort to alms

    The thing that bothers is if your appearance is muddied, first clean yourself and come and expose all others that are in the mud.. From a country that has a sanyasi in every hundred people (saying predominantly men is not sexist here), finding escape from responsibilities in the pretext of sanyasi-ism. While there are genuine gems out there, but there are very few among a whole slew of fake babas. This yoga guy (I don’t want to give him more publicity than he got with 6 day fasting and fainting – we all women do that kind of stuff getting mad at husbands, gods, in-laws and in general about the anything that annoys us) was all over TV. for a number of years. Not once he had the look that makes you bow your head in sheer respect. There was no noor — glow that has the plainness of simplicity. He looked like one that is obsessed with himself. There was a Nityananda who looked like this guy, was caught with a woman and all that drama. This guy now own millions and telling the common folk that they should shut down the govt. Now he wants to raise a militia to fight the govt. Power is that intoxication that covers the inner eye. I think any thing that looks beyond him — he pretty much shut that one. Please do not even take this guy’s name in the same breath as shriman Jaya Prakash Narayan and Vinoba Bhave.

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    H P Narang Reply:

    @ Lakshmi

    “Not once he had the look that makes you bow your head in sheer respect. There was no noor — glow that has the plainness of simplicity. He looked like one that is obsessed with himself. ”

    Well said.

    Ramdev is an egoistic personality. He was miffed by the response Anna Hazare got and wanted to show that he can gather thousands of people. Anna did not gather people, they came on their own. If he was a genuine Baba and had a genuine concern for country’s ills, he need not have gathered thousands of his followers at a crowded place in central Delhi. He could have called them at his Ashram and gone for the fast along with them. Our scriptures are full of examples of people doing ‘Tapa’ wherein fasting is the mildest form. Even children like Dhruv and Prahlad did it against the injustices of their respective fathers and succeeded in achieving their wishes

    He is good in Yoga and all its nuances. He has developed a large following and is now using it to become a kingmaker. Therefore, all the kings and would be kings were eager to patronize him. That explains why four ministers went to the airport to woo him. That is why BJP is supporting him.

    Baba Ramdev was making conflicting statements, saying one thing in the morning and going back on it in the evening and now his fasting ‘ability’ has backfired on his reputation. He will have to search his soul to realize that politics in the name of spirituality is one thing and being a spiritual soul quite another.

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  • Swadeshi

    India is not a Democracy. It is a Monarchy. Ruled by Gandhi Pariwars. Most corruption and Food inflation has happened during the congress Regime. Politicians, Godmen and Corporates have sucked this country to a point that voice of truly/Genuine leaders like Shri Anna Hazare is not being heard. This corrupt government should be ashamed of itself that they thrive on Tax Money of so many hard earning sincere middle class people who struggle to eat Rs 90 a Kg Daal.
    All the sacrifice of our Freedom fighters have gone in trash. I am not sure how these corrupt politician and godmen digest food from this kind of Money. Well in my perspective these people are just concerned with “1 Life” and the window they see today…They all forget the Law of Karma while looting this wealth from “have Nots” and filling thier belly and banks/ashrams.

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  • prem

    I have been listening to comments expressed by by Mr. Vinod shgarma on Tv and in the Print Media. i think he is biased against the Civil Society Members headed by Anna Hazare and the Compaign launched by Baba Ram Dev against Corruption and Black Money. He seems to be a Mouth Piece of Govt. Every Citizen of India is against Corruption in Govt. Offices now. People are just tired of prevailing corruption and can not get their grievances dresseds against the Govt. Officials. no work is done without bribing Govt. officials now. Will this corruption in Govt. offices come to an end any soon? Time has come now to keep everyoone within the perview of LOK Pal Bill. Meddle Class peopole and what to talk of labour Class, no one can afford to send their kids to Schioiols now. why can’t the education be Nationalzed. a day is nort too far whenb only rich class will be ab le to impart education to their Children,. Corruption is rampant in every sphereof life. Why can’t this Congress Govt. understand that whatever tghe people of this country are voicing their concerns, the elected Representatives have to pay heed to their demands. Otherwise, whart are the doing by sticking to their chars? They have become Rulers and Kings for five years and don’t even understand that people have elected them to look for the interests of people. They are forgetting that time is not far whenb rthey will be facing the electrorate in future. Citizens of India will teach this Congress Party and Govt. a lesson in the next General Election. This Govt. should do or leave office.

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  • pankaj#1

    Indian;
    I can appreciate your outpouring, which were not contained in one post but you had to use two in a row.
    Well, having said so many things against so many present gurus and swamis, you still went back to shirdi sai baba. Nothing against him from my side, but still, I feel, that basic idea of yours is still same, as present people, seeking divine intervention, in the presence of hardship of daily living. shirdi sai baba also performed many miracles, for which, no explaination is there, until you accept that he was, in some way, nearer to God, and he could persuade God to full fill desire of a supplicant. He may not be in the money business, as we see present gurus, but he was working on the same principles of meeting the needs of dispossed by giving solace to them in his own way. Here again, situation might have been worse, for the populace, as compared to present. This cult of Bhakti has its positive side too but only upto a certain extent.

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  • Indian

    agreed as long as Bhakthi doesnt become business or exploiting helpless. When a person is in distress, he thinks of God or Sadguru or for divine help, thats the moment when you get cheated by these fake gurus. They exploit weakness of the situation. Shirdi Sai or other gurus whom I mentioned did selfless service whis is non existent nowdays.

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    Aaloke Reply:

    Dear Indian,
    How are you convinced about Shirdi Sai Baba and not Satya Sai Baba. Did you check whether money was ever demanded there or was it given voluntarily. Did you find out from some donor why he donated. Have you found out why he had such huge following even in very rich countries. Were they also illeterate and superstitious like we stupid Indians. And have you found out what he preached. Can you anywhere refute anything that he preached.

    Well my friend, I am speaking from my second hand experience. I myself have never been his direct devotee. However, many of my very close relatives are his devotees. Every one of them is highly well read, respectable in their profession and not superstitious.Most of them are from Science background. Some of them have written highly acclaimed books on Science and Engineering field. I also know that few among them have donated huge amount of money to the trust. Being in touch with my relatives, I have heard about Satya Sai preachings, his works, his Ashram etc. I have also read few books on Satya Sai. Why I am not his devotee is because I somehow prefer to keep myself open in subject of spirituality . However I have every reason to believe that He was definitely a great Spiritual personality.

    Now how are you convinced on Shirdi Sai Baba. Have you seen him yourself ? You only know what has been passed on to you as stories . I for one consider Shirdi Sai Baba also a Great Spiritual Personality. Thirty years from now , people may be hearing some very favourable stories about Satya Sai Baba also and may be defending him as strongly as you are defending your Shirdi Sai.

    My suggestion is if we find Good Spiritual preachings, Good actions coming from a source, we consider them Respectable Spiritual personality and leave at that. Or else go through their preachings and do some honest research , and if anything has to be refuted, do it. Then it does make some sense.

    These Swamis, Babas and so called Godmen have been integral part of our civilisation since thousands of years. This is an instituition which has enriched this vast and great country.(Don’t look at only our last 800 years of degradation).There will always be some Ruffians in any thing. That does not mean we should throw the baby with the Bath water.Open minded Scientific temper ( many of the bloggers here think that they have scientific temper, but it looks more of a very narrow scientific temper) including what can be thought of beyond our limited and ordinary logical mind by developing and using our instituitions , our ability to percieve abstract things is what set us apart in ancient times and what will really make India once again a great nation.

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  • nirav

    Mr Vinod,

    There are good people and bad people…in society in every walk of life.
    Journalists,police,doctors and even politicians.
    then why cant there be good and bad babas…
    What is wrong if people donate money to them and they build a trust and service the community.
    If you have an issue then file an RTI like you asked me to to find out if you are paid well in NMC:)
    Why defame someone just because he may not belong to the elite circles of delhi?
    There are people more learned and intelligent then you and me and they follow the sri sris as you call them.
    Are they fools?Mr Kalam was a follower of satya saibaba …..What do you have to say about him?
    I believe they should be left to law.And if they are corrupt they should join the company of rajas and kalamdis….in tihar.
    But to defame them by singling them out is little prejudiced.Isnt that an argument your friends from congress put when they say dont single politicans:)
    If millions of people follow ramdev and believe it will cure them of everything is because most of them dont even have a choice as the Healthcare is a luxury nowadays that few can afford.Let alone pranobs inhuman idea of taxing healthcare…that is the reality….dont hint at the symptoms lets talk of the real issues why the babas have a mass following…It is merely the inefficiency in the political class and the inequality in the society….

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    Venky Reply:

    well said.

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  • rajiv

    Aa good opinion piece on Indo-Pak from dawn

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/20/for-pakistan-time-to-try-india-as-a-friend.html

    Also, good to know CBI has charge-sheeted 5 Indians in the Samjhauta blast case. Actions like that, without regard to religion or nationality of the perpetrators, diferentiates India with the criminal military-ISI-jihadi entity that rules pakistan.

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  • Dr. Ahmed Naqvi

    Our media in India is playing an extremely bad role mainly due to foreign influence. Whenever a Hindu, Muslim, Christian or a Sikh person comes along who wants the youth in India to maintain their age old values and culture they are attacked. Baba Ramdev is no exception to this. All these forces should work with our fine leader Dr. Manmohan Singh to make India even greater than it is now. Learn from the West but do not follow West in all areas particularly in culture.

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  • Indian

    building one or two hospitals is like throwing breadcrumbs to crows or bones to dogs to mask the massive money looted. OUt of lakhs or thousands of crores looted few hundred crore spent on hospitals and free medicine and food ( free food everyone will stand in line) is an eyewash to fool the public.

    these people should be punished. THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN KALMADI OR RAJA OR SUKHRAM OR ANY OTHER DHOTHIWALA ONE WEARS WHITE, OTHER WEARS SAFFRON SOME OF THEM WEAR VICE VERSA BUT BELONG TO SAME CESS POOL OF THIEVES

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    Raj Reply:

    Incorrect, Indian. Breadcrumbs? Really? You obviously know nothing about the Baba that you accuse. On several occassions, Sai Baba’s hospitals in Bangalore and Puttaparthi have fallen under severe financial strain, only to have been ‘rescued’ by his devotees or followers. The money that he received and spent from were through the Trust that he created.

    And looted? oh, please – the people who (without fanfare) contributed to Sai Baba included people like Isaac Tigrett the railroad magnate from the USA who also sold the Hard Rock Cafe chain that he founded and owned and donated ALL of that money, the ‘Rajmata’ of Gwalior (??) who donated her wealth to him, the richest man (a Chinese gentleman) from Malaysia who donated significantly – and thousands of others, many like these individuals from India and all over the world.

    People who respected Sai Baba included the elderly Kanchi Sankaracharya and Abdul Kalam, just to name a couple. Go find out from all the villages in Ananthapur District what they think of him, the education that he contributed to in the district and beyond, the volunteerism that he inspired in the district and beyond world-wide, the ambulatory services provided, the Trust that he created for perpetuity for the Educational institutions and the hospitals, etc. I do NOT subscribe to the ‘magic’ that he ‘performed, but please give me another ‘magician who inspires so much in so many people he or she will be no less a ‘God’ in the eyes of most people as well.

    The money that he had ’stashed’ away in his ‘room’ was a very small amount compared to what he had in his Trust. Thousands of people were always in his ashram and he fed them all with little of the costs recovered without necessarily depleting his capital resources. Like any shrewd ‘manager’. He led, he managed, he inspired, he gave strength to the weak, he contributed to the community he lived in, he built institutions, he gave hope, he encouraged YOUR beliefs, etc. What is wrong with ANY of that. These are all there for EVERYONE to see. Don’t believe in his ‘Magic’ – it is quite ok. But you are questioning his intent, and building on perceptions that you had no occassion to experience or witness. Is that ’scientific’?

    My education, perhaps like yours, is western. But that education got me ‘educated’ and gave me an ability to think – not just scientifically bu also sociologically. That education also taught me secularism, and the ability and grace to respect others’ views and beliefs. Does that mean that we should be blind to everything that is going on in the name of religion – in India, Pakistan, USA, or elsewhere? No way.

    Read what people like Shoeb on this board have to say. In a way, he is sticking his neck out. I know many people like that.

    Even if you do not approve of him, can you not focus on all the GOOD stuff that he did? What is so difficult about that? In all honesty, what have YOU personally experienced?

    Incidentally, I am in sync and fully concur with the approach that, unlike you, Dr. Khan of AIIMS has taken, who has based his arguments sensibly and with some facts. You are just continuing to perpetuate stuff that you might have picked up on the way or your own views on what it is all about. What I ask you to do is to respect others’ views. I do not deride yours, but I ask for substantiation with facts – not here-say, not from rumors, not from mere conjecture.

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  • H P Narang

    Vinodji,

    An excellent piece. Fully agree. Also I find excellent debate among a good number of very knowledgeable persons. Same was true of your recent posts like ‘Hyperbole pey halla bole’ and ‘Lokpal scrutiny will add to PM’s prestige’. You are the only writer on HT whose posts I try to keep up with.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @HP Narang/BN Das
    Glad you liked the piece. Pl keep visting and chip in with your views more often.

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  • BN

    An excellent piece.

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  • ved

    Dear Vinod Khan.
    you are hidden CHAMCHA. A sarkari ,secular,eunuch.You have been instructed to condemn Ramdev because he is the greater danger than Anna. So damn Ramdev.

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  • uv

    Your article is well intentioned and you are indeed correct that greedy and corrupt people must not be allowed to move around freely just because they hide under a “Godman” tag. However, I wonder whether your criteria for rejecting some of the Gurus is indeed appropriate. While Dandamis appeals to you, equally in our historical or mythical (as our modern historians will tell us) narratives, King Janaka is regarded as a man of highest virtue, a Jivanmukta. When Vyasa therefore tells his son Suka to learn from Janaka, Suka makes fun of his father as to how a royal king living in a golden house with tons of servants, etc., can be a Jivanmukta. There seems to a fundamental assumption you make that Gurus must court poverty and cannot be seen to be associated with money – this is indeed insane if you follow our spiritual literature properly (of course, if you think this is indeed worth reading at all). By your own logic, a Dhirendra Brahmachari was cast aside despite him being close to big powers and if this is indeed the case, if the Guru names you have indicated are equally negative, they will also be cast aside. However, before proving their guilt, you are raising aspertions because of a flawed assumption within your own mind. Be fact driven completely and do not criticize anyone – whether Guru or a normal politician or a bureaucrat or a school teacher based on your own flawed assumptions. Be factual and we can have a good discussion – without facts, your views will therefore carry no merit. Please therefore think again

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    H P Narang Reply:

    @uv

    At the outset I beg your pardon as I feel your example of equating present day five-star godmen with King Janaka is itself flawed as Janak was a Rajrishi i.e. he was both a King and a Rishi. Our spiritual literature is abound with examples of such Kings. Vinod, as I also guess, may not have wished to bring in spiritual examples into his writing for obvious reasons! Therefore he chose a historical example and I fully agree with his choice. Let us look at the present times. All the ‘godmen’ listed in Vinod’s write-up are running some kind of an enterprise. It may be resting on some yogic exercise or producing a prasad out of ‘thin air’, which as pointed out, PC Sorkar could also do. I am not casting an aspersion on any of these gurus or godmen, nor I guess is Vinod’s intention to do so. He is only saying that why not they be also accountable for their crores of empires?

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  • Venky

    I had high respects for Vinodji. Not after this article.

    The Godman who made millions did not spoke about corruption. Dhirendra Bramahachari did not start agitation against corruption. But Baba Ramdev did. I am sure he is not ignorant that if he starts an agitation against Govt., CBI/ED would not pounce on him? This article shows that corruption is everywhere including the media. The Indian public may be poor, but not ignorant. They voted congress to majority because they thought Congress is doing something “inclusive development”. They have now realized that inclusive development means appeasement to corruptiion in addition to appeasement to religious division. British India gone, congress India on.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @venky

    I guess we are losing the sense of distinction.

    Is Ramdev a Godman ? No.

    Not even Ravi Shankar.

    While Ravi Shankar is termed as a spiritual guru, Ramdev could at best be termed as a Yoga guru.

    Satya Sai Baba may fall in the category of Godmen. So was Dhirendra Brahmachari.

    So the Action on Ramdev’s yoga camp in Ramlila Maidan might not have triggered this article .

    You may check Vinodji’s last blog post “Hyperbole pey halla bole” about his opinion on Ramdev.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    After Lokpal agitation, Vinod went after Bhushans, after Ramdev’s agitation, Vinod repeats the same job.
    Do you need more proof?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    If I were a journalist, I would go beyond the obvious.

    Every journalist looks for an angle to the story that others might not have thought of. That craving for uniqueness helps a journalist wake up in morning and rush for his job. Else a journalist’s life could be so mundane.

    As Vinodji has explained again and again that he got the CD verified by a reputed Govt. agency and then published the article.

    In this age of “Copy & Paste Journalism”, atleast Vonodji took pain verifying the CD and then published under his own name.

    I must bring to your notice that in politics, nothing is allowed to die down. Everything is kept alive, like Bofors etc, to serve a purpose and as a tactical weapon.

    The CD was done in 2006. Surely not as a knee-jerk reaction to the recent Lokpal agitation.

    We do not know yet who did this job. But why did somebody did this CD in 2006 ? What was the compelling reasons to frame Bhushans in 2006 ? Were they involved in something that we are yet to know! Bhushans have not denied having said what they have said in that CD. May be sequences were different.

    But we are yet to know why Shanti said ” not much required”…”Prashant is good at “managing”…”

    So far Bhushans have not been entirely honest in their approach to investigations about the CD.

    If the Amar’s CD’s were under SC’s custody, how did they manage to get the those CD’s so quickly ?

    Instead of asking the Labs if Shanti’s voice was authentic in the particular CD, Bhushans sent Mulayam’s and Amar’s voice sample to the Labs for check of authenticity.

    The Truth Lab’s Director ( on camera ) said the some portions of the said CD as the original CD.

    But Bhushans said that Truth Lab said the CD was fake.

    Beside who decided which CD was original and which one the duplicate one ?

    At this moment, people are focussed on larger issues of corruptions. So people are not very “harshly” focussed on this case. But once this LokPal bill is through, I am sure this CD case go through another round of scrutiny by people and media.

    i have earlier mentioned that Ramdev is not the trigger for this particular blog. May be partly, as few of Ramdev’s commercial dealings have come under scrutiny.

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  • Atma Gandhi

    Color of money used in Grand Religeous structures may be anything but White as these grand mansions were/are ordered / paid to be built by Emperors / Kings / Filthy Rich eople who extract / exhort / loot money from/poor weaker people. Grand functions / mansions are all show off / drama / business / others but not religeon and rightly so as Einstein said “The word GOD is IMAGINATION of HUMAN WEAKNESS.”

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  • http://------- Aam Aadmi

    Where is it written A selfeducated Ramdev , self mastered Yoga teacher born in a so poor family has no rights to be a reformer
    He is a practicle man What he say he does
    selfless ,devoted for the betterment of his fellow beings ,concerned about the peoples health & plite . A proud Indian Guru who sleeps on floor.
    A true Nationalist His Vision
    about India is not to becaome a PM or President of the country but in true sense where all indians could live healthy & happily A country without corruption 1
    What is wrong about this those who have objections or talk bad about him are those whose “political dukandari” is disturbed
    I bet over 90 % of the indian public wiill support him for his cause.
    in beginning june
    He put his demands to the govt he tried his best to Negotiate with them ., They fuly understood his cause He was given the red carpet welcome & kissed by 4 cabinet ministers recieved him at the airport then within 72 hours He was kicked & undemocratically ( not only the sypathisers Followers even the Mayor Of Delhi who had rented him the Ramlila grounds for 14 days against money was highly shocked for such an atroicities) with force removed from his non violant hunger strike tents all his 50000 peacefuly sleeping followers in V hours of the night were given the run for their lives .
    If the Govt cheated him after they got him signed under pressure clearly shows he is not a schrewed politician as The Govt & Main news papers have defamed him
    He is only a reformer ” A True Indian” which this Nation needs so badly he broke of his hunger strike on strong public request Congress may have wanted him dead
    His own voice is more than millions voice . His cause is far too great its a National Cause .

    I anticipate He will come with much bigger resolve next time . The corrupt congress & their allies are more terrified of him then Hazzare .

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  • Candor

    Author never wrote an article on politicians, Are these politicians or dacoits in white attires ? Babas have huge following and even if a follower offers Rs. 10/-, they get good contribution to build huge ashrams and repay the offerings in shape of charitable work but what are politicians doing ? Hindus godmen are being targeted just because they live simply but they have followers who contributed them hugely. Remember there are many rich men who are sufferers, some lost their next generation, someone is upset with his kins and contributes everything to Godmen to use for public masses. Is Ramdev a fat man looking like he eats too much or drink ? Why is he being attacked by these sold out journos ? Remember whatever you do, you get the same and these journos won’t be read in someday.

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  • Perspectives Unlimited

    When some says we the Indians have self-destructive mind, I agree;
    When some one says we the Indians are greedy, corrupt and self-centered people, I agree;
    When some one says we the Indians are filthy and slavish, I more than agree;
    But when some one writes a one sided story expecting apploud all around, I get a wake up call and compelled to wander over my 60 counscious years, are we condemned to be what we are as above, for another 1000 years.
    We are so fond of missing the relevant point and divert/ confuse the issue….
    Anna, Baba Ramdev, Sri Sri Ravishankar…… and many more have been working hard for years to stir our dead soul through “BHARAT SWABHIMAN” and their stir or any effort are no surprise to the masses except for the ruling elite, getting scared of the mass-movement…….
    Baba Ramdev as an ordinary human is pampered to tow the govt. line to dwarf the movement launched by Anna…..when he does not oblige, sleeing innocent children, women, and men are treated with tear gas shell, pushing round and lathi-chage at convenience at dead of night. IT, ED, CBI, RAW, IB all come into play with force the voice of sanity to silence….
    The self-proclaimed intelligentia, which is inherently incapable of doing any thing constructive/ meaningful come into play and the motivated media carry the muck in line with intended propaganda……… likes of Ramdev will be humiliated, coerced, harreassed till they either fall in line with ruling elight or firmly reject this.

    Will some one dare to stand and message the voice of sanity in this country which is inclusive, constructive and forward looking…..

    The nation and people do not need RAJAS, Dickey Raja, A Raja, R Raja, S Raja…………………….Z Raja
    We need self respecting , hard working inclussive minds and hands who feel and toil for an EDUCTED India, a STRONG & SECURE India, a JUST & FAIR India, a DEVELOPED India in the comepetitive world…..

    Best wishes!

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  • Chandra

    One should look into the crores of rupees and Business Interests of the Catholic church , largest private land owners in India other than the Govt, The Pope who runs a global Multinational? and the Oil money flowing in….? Appears, now thouh late in the game the Hindu Gurus are also now organized on the scale of the catholic and protestant church as Business ventures to participate on the enormous market share game in play in India….where faith is for sale to the highest bidder!

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  • shekar

    Every writer wants to have a chunk for himself when he scripts his thoughts about the so-called “Godmen” who run their empire on wealth amassed through their skill of preaching or it may be that those who pay these Godmen have enough money to spend. It is only when you have money everybody takes note of what you say or do or profess. Either you should enjoy political clout or money power to stamp your authority or various issues. Ironically since in India we revere saints, using the garb of “Godmen” is easier to avoid infringements. We expect “godmen” to be poor and become a Nigamanand and ultimately forget. Sai Baba of puttaparthi has used his wealth for many humane activities, but how he got this amount is a big secret. In this materialistic world even to expose miracles you need money-power. If only religion is considered as a guiding tool, rather than a machine for business this will end.

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  • Binod Kumar

    Comments made by readers of this article are more informative and valuable than the article itself.

    If Dhirem
    If Bramhachari became so powerful ,it was basically because of his proximity with Indira Gandhi whom and her Party Vinod so adores.
    At least these Godmen do not spew venoms as Vinod does. They do spread goodwill despite their shortcomings.
    This is 21ist century and Godmen can’t be expected to live at Himalays and take penance.
    All god men ,gurus and peers are at least selfless to the extent that they don’t have kith and kin. Sai Baba left his treasure for public consumtion. Debasing every god men is not only childish but also offensive to a religion.
    What has Baba Ramdev done wrong? Made yoga popular in the country and abroad. Imbibe countrymen to get up early and pracice yoga. Suggest cheapest remedies to common disease as well as chronic diseases. Establish yoga peeth. In his enthusiasm, he has definitely gone overboard by tall claims. Brinda and others did raise the issue and govt should have reacted then. Why react now when he is targeting black money stashed most by one party politicians.?
    Dr shah Alam Khan has been extremely honest in his views except the fact that health care in this country has suffered also due to selfish and greedy doctors who no longer serve the people but get self aggrandizement . I know the cases handled by AIMMS.

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ CONGRESS IS SH-IT SCARED OF ANTI-CORRUPTION WAVE.. SO IT WILL

    TARGET RAMDEV !!! :D :D :D

    Let us start with the basic facts. ramdev is no Godman. he is a yoga teacher and a fantastic one at that. he got Yoga into every possible Indian home and has a massbase.

    Now when he started his anti corruption movement he immediately got the support of crores who believved in him. We have to remember but for his effort theis anti corruption movement would not have reached this stage.

    his economic programmes for India probably dont fit in with an image of a modern India. Criticise and dump him for that. but not for the excellent work he did in the field of Yoga and beating disease.

    More than what many a doctor achieves in ten life times.

    As far as Vinod Sharma goes, he should ask himself why he went on as a panel judge on Aap ki Adalat when ramdev was being questioned? :D

    And as for me… I learnt yoga under Dhirendra brahmachari… and have attended two Ramdev camps. :D

    But I know how to divorce my Yoga teachers suggestions on the Indian economy and politics from his Yoga advice…. :D :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Vijay

    May be others are not as intelligent as you are.
    Good that you loved Ramdev for his Yoga, not for his economic and political suggestions.
    Others tend to mix up.

    By the way, Ramdev’s anti-corruption lasted only for few days like his fasting. The oldies have better stamina.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    many of the politicos who go on fast cheat by wating food in the loo. And a doctor told me this.

    VP Singh who was honest enough to go on a fast developed cancer.

    One master tARA sINGH would go on a fast– this doctor told for a month in Punjab and eat heartily in the night.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Vijay

    I had no idea you would compare an apple with an orange and look for a solution !

    You are comparing a politician with Ramdev, an accomplished Yoga guru who teaches millions about mind control techniques and body stamina building secrets !

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    On second thought, you may be right.

    There is hardly any difference between ramdev and a politician !

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Yamraj and Yuvraj look like such a happy pair..

    And soon these bumbling bafoos would be dumped on the hapless peole of India with the select favour seekers in the media dressed up as cheerleaders “hooraying” for them :D

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Vinodji became a mock-judge on Rajat Sharma’s mock adalat, so that he can pass real judgement on Baba Ramdev in real terms later, thus:

    “1. Ramdev is a fraud. He doesn’t practise what he preaches.
    2. He is no Dandamis, he can only do dand and possibly a few suryanamaskars too
    3. Unlike Dandamis, he doesn’t refuse gifts which include cash
    4. Like a modern day Bapoo, Ramdev has amassed black money and huge assets.
    5. He is guilty of attracting celebrities like film stars, cricketers, politicians, industrial tycoons etc whose own wealth is suspect and tax returns very likely fake.
    6. He is guilty of becoming a bandit himself by accepting bandits’ booty.
    7.He is guilty of building a huge empire that is opaque, doesn’t allow light to pass through, so much so that even an astute, honest judge like yours truly cannot see the real colour of the money stacked in the vaults.
    8. Finally, Ramdev is guilty of trying to become Vinoba Bhave, Jayaprakash Narayan and Dhirendra Brahmachari all rolled into one fake sanyasi.

    I now leave the matter of quantum of punishment to Rajamata Sonia Gandhi, who is known to be impartial in these matters, unlike her (in)famous mother-in-law”

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    And of course the white money Congress collected thru Mr Q and Italian is white money… As Mr Q and the Italians are white in color :D

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  • Praveen Saxena

    This article is again inspired to do what the Congress party would like it to do. Pull down those who have have shown the courage to take on its might. In a way lend a helping hand to its strategy to throw muck all around. Albeit with a certain sophistication and not like the stone pelters Manish Tiwari,Jayanti Natarajan and the “legalese” Singhvi.
    Now none of those this article directly and indirectly intends to insinuate claim to be ” Godmen” . They are humans who wish to either narate the “The Ramayana” , or spread the goodness of Yoga, or thru its form called the Art of Living. Lakhs or rather crores of people listen to them as they find it doing some good to them .
    Talking about the “colour” of the money , what has stopped the government from investigating them and coming out with its findings rather than directing its hatchet man Digvijay Singh to spread canards .
    I can understand rivals pulling down rivals. But why should Kuldeep Nayyar make that snide remark in his column in “The Sunday Guardian” on a co-traveller ?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Praveen

    I think the Congress will make one last ditcheffort to dump the intellectually challenged Yuvraj on to us. The Congress is ultimately going to wipe out whatever goodwill the nehru name has when it does so.

    its cheerleaders in the media are preparing themselves for this.. (NDTV)

    While I have composed a special song for this occassion

    Yuvraj and Yamraj (Digvinash) ki hai jodi ajeeb

    Sajani amir ( Digvinash ka corruption ka paisa)

    Sajaan gareeb (Yuvraj being poor mentally )

    :D :D :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Vijay

    You always have ticklish feeling about pairing and being paired !

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  • Ashish

    This is ridiculous point of view. I donot agree at all.
    If a Guru has money, that donot mean he is corrupted. You need to see the amount of social services done by them. They donot put these money in swiss bank like the politicians. Instead they spend those for the benefit of mass.
    I have seen them closely and have seen how those money is being used for the upliftment of poor by distributing rations, utensils, clothes, and even houses. These helps reach the natural calamity affected area before the help by government and also reach 100% not like 20% of the aid provided by government.

    In this fast life if fast upliftment is to be done, then these Gurus have to also move fats and thus if they travel in aircraft donot mean they are corrupted, they do a lot for the society and we should be grateful to them.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    It is significant that Vinodji has focussed on Hindu godmen and swamis ONLY, even while saying, ” It’s their business altogether so long as such belief doesn’t intrude into public space that’s common in a democracy.”

    Now here is a link, which India Today has published on 5th May 2011 about the “godmen” in Christianity:
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/independent-churches-mushroom-across-india-attracting-foreign-fund

    Here are a few random excerpts:

    “Singh is one of the thousands of preachers who have come up across the country, altering the way the gospel is spread and conversions are carried out. These freelancers of God are growing while mainstream churches are facing a decline in their missionary activities. Even as Hindutva groups raise concerns over Rs 10,000 crore in foreign contributions coming into India every year from abroad, mostly for missionary activities, independent churches are turning out to be the biggest beneficiaries of the funds.”

    The GFA’s (GOSPEL FOR ASIA, TEXAS BASED EVANGELIST GROUP) mission is “to be devout followers of Christ and fulfill the Great Commission among the unreached in Asia through training, sending and assisting qualified labourers to win the lost and plan local churches in partnership with the Body of Christ”.

    “The growth of independent churches is also attributed to foreign contributions that reach individuals through the church planting network. GFA has donated Rs 596 crore to various church planting movements in India.”

    “India’s over one billion people are hurting, they are seeking… and they are responding to Jesus in record numbers. This nation of nations offers extraordinary opportunities to bring ‘Good News’ to millions of unreached,” says one of its brochures.

    “India’s Christians are capable and committed to carrying the Gospel into their communities. They know the languages and customs and can work effectively in sensitive areas where a Western missionary could never set foot,” says a Mission India brochure, requesting donations from the US.

    Most new pastors work among Dalits in the region. They also widely use faith-healing methods, which are not popular among mainstream churches. Political parties such as the Congress and the Akali Dal have refused to make conversions a controversy and the VHP and Bajrang Dal have accused both parties of playing to the Christian vote bank.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Now read this carefully – from your own posting above…..
    “Most new pastors work among Dalits in the region. They also widely use faith-healing methods, which are not popular among mainstream churches. Political parties such as the Congress and the Akali Dal have refused to make conversions a controversy and the VHP and Bajrang Dal have accused both parties of playing to the Christian vote bank.”
    Rather than accusing political parties of pampering to “christian votebanks” both the Bajrang Dal and VHP could’ve as well resorted to taking up legal action against “faith healing”. Drugs and Magic Remedies (Prevention) Act is specifically meant for this. Rationalist organisations in India and outside have resorted to legal actions whenever possible. That we don’t see them doing much these days is purely due to lack of resources. Surely , both VHP and Bajrang Dal are not running out of resources. Are both VHP and Bajrang Dal finding it difficult to fight it out legally rather than old fashioned way of “gundaa gardi” and “rioting” ? Or, is it that an absence of patronising state is big issue ?
    Somewhere above you posed a question about Abraham Kovoor never attacked the “faith healing evangelist lot” . Honestly, I don’t know. Plus he has been dead for so long now. However, his descendants from Rationalist movement in India have done so , manier times stalled in their attempts by the police citing the reasons of “Communal Harmony”.
    - Mahesh.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh you are wrong in claiming that “Rationalist organisations in India and outside have resorted to legal actions whenever possible. That we don’t see them doing much these days is purely due to lack of resources”.

    They too receive plenty of funds from abroad, like human rights NGOs, because these organisations work only against Hindus practising superstition, witchcraft, faith-healing etc. Benny Hinn is the best (or worst ) example of the one-sided rationalism of these organisations. You may be partly right in saying that the rationalist organisations don’t do much these days in India, because they lack credibility and their actions and utterances reek of anti-Hindu propaganda.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh,
    you said, “Somewhere above you posed a question about Abraham Kovoor never attacked the “faith healing evangelist lot” . Honestly, I don’t know.”

    I know, honestly.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Shenoy

    Nice article. it all boils down to coversions at one level. As i had mentioned earlier there is a global war between Islam and Christianity going on. Hindus dont have an agenda for conversion and at times feel left out.

    I think Hindu rationalists should shake up thier religoin a bit. Dump caste once cforver and invite people into their fold at an equal level. It would be great fun.

    Maybe it calls for a poem :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Vijay

    We hindus dumping caste system !

    Very farfetched idea.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    It is happening and it will happen in the next decade or so. And to make my point further, Ramdev’s mission was also about dissolving caste, unlike the Congressi and otherr parties who USE caste for making money :D

    I think you still underestimate the power of ramdev’s followere. Even if they chop of 10% of the Congressi vote… the Congress is a khassi saand :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    When Ramdev becomes vocal about caste system, just see how he will be sneered at by the same followers !

    What is Ramdev’s full name?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    he is Rankishan Yadav.

    The basic issue is he galvanised crores against corruption. The Congress is mobilisng its crores against Yoga and for dynastic succession :D

    vijay kumar Reply:

    ~~ :D :D ~ WE ARE ALL AFRAID OF LOSING OUR KABAB, SHARAB AND SHABAB !! ~~ :::D :D ~~

    As a person who at times loves to walk out of a pub at 2 a.m or out of a disco at 3.00 I can forsee the dangers of very “moral”B government which puts restrictions on personal lifestyles. :D

    But…

    it does not stop me from acknowledging the health revolution Ramdev got thru his yoga and Pranayam throughout India; nor to the fact that hissupporters created a huge mass which scared this government.

    That a genuine anti corrution movement was started by him and he managed to create a national club which scared the scamsters and the government.

    I think we should thank him for tthat…. :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Vijay

    Ramdev surely did better than Rath yatri Sri Sri Advani.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    so yours is a qualified support for ramdev now :) )

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are wrong. Ramdev also practises caste system. But, he has only trwo castes in his bhakt gan-men and women. And women outnumber men by almost 10%.. Which is why I say Prabhat is too presumptuous in declaring that Ramdev became a spent force rather tamely and too early.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    On this forum, I had talked about Ramdev before it all happened.

    I had said, ” there is something odd about this guy”.

    That incongruency showed in just few days later in whole public view.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    do not understand that why words( there are few more apart from Saand) which end with pronounciation ; aand; have generally very demeaning meaning in hindi language. Ha

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Prabhat;
    Do not agree with you. Cast is fast disappearing in uber india, effect will percolate downwards in another say, 100/200 years. All without coercion. Cast business had some thing to do with division of labour and it was not so rigid in the begining. Trades people had their group more or less as a guild. For lowest of lows, it could be, defeated locals, who were, in place of formal slavery, which was norms in those ancient days, relegated to be untouchables doing menial work, which victors will not do .All for making things less competitive, if not free of competition for victor or privilaged classes. Now a days, you can find innumerable examples, where people are clamouring to be included in Scheduled castes, many openly and some covertly for economical pie.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    A dalit youth killed for drawing water from tubewell just last week. And this incident happened in a place not very far from Delhi !

    India is a huge and complex country. The impact goodness will take ages to reach the bottom of the pyramid.

    Caste and superstitions are so interwoven that it’s very difficult to separate them from our daily lives.

    Forget about others, I could not even change the perception about caste and superstitions in my own relatives who are so well educated and well placed in life !

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Prabhat;
    No body can condone the death of dalit boy for drawing water. Guilty should be punished under section 302,plus. All the laws placed in our legal system to correct this anamoly, should be enforced as vigrously as possible but as in reality happens, laws are not implemented as they are meant to be for any crime. Powerful, are spared the full might of laws, that is the corruption, not only financial but corruption in all its forms. I have already admitted that it will take ages for good effect to reach the base of the pyramid, as said by you, but you can not refuse that we have achieved a lot in last 60 years and it is work in progress. Short of these measures, to expedite things, naxal movement is one way to achieve this but you know the consequences of this anarchy, we may replace one tyranny with another tyranny. There is no substitute for peaceful, systematic, and proactive eradication of evils in Indian social system in all its manifestations.

  • Raghavendra

    Mr Vindo sharma

    the disease of making money and property has infected the babas you mentioned. but the truth can you in india show on field one profession where all persons are honest and pious?

    it is true that faith and religion have been used in india for financial gains. every spirirtual leader you mentioned must give transparent account of property in his trust or organisation.

    Mr Vinod dont you know how many journalists in india are as dishonest as these babas?
    one can see so many journalists getting resdential plots from parties in power?
    mr sharma can you with certainty swear here that 100 percent journalists in india are honest?whole contry knows what sort of favors politicians give to journos

    dont certain top news houses in india act as advocates of certain political parties?
    whole of india knows how some journalists were controlled by the LADY HITLER – SMT INDIRA GANDHI during 1970s you feel what i say is wrong pandit sharma?

    whole indian public needs to think seriously about these issues

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Raghvendra

    Ask people, who assembled at Jantar Mantar or in participants on this blog , how much black money in cash did they or their parents pay to buy residential houses in Delhi !

    We love to play on improbables because improbables do not bind us with accountabilty.

    People harp on black money abroad because they know it will take ages to estimate, track, discover and retrieve the black money abroad.

    By the time the idea fizzled out, the gentlemen would have achieved their political goals.

    It’s like V P Singh who claimed that he was going around with the CODE to secret account of Bofors money. Once elected, he would disclose it.

    He got elected and formed Govt. with the help of BJP.

    Many more Governments came and went.

    Vajpayee too came in and ruled for 6 years.

    We are yet to see the Bofor scam money. But just before elections, we love to raise Bofor scandal !

    Improbables are always exotic !

    Controlling domestic black money is not a great idea. But getting black money is surely a revolutionary idea !

    Someday we will get to know how much cash Ramdev had paid for those big land deals all over the country without paying the appropriate stamp duties like Bhushan did in Allahabad.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Raghvendra
    The subject of this blog is billionaire babas. Let us restrict ourselves to that. I shall very soon write about journalists as well.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Our great ancestors, meditating on the banks of Indus, sang “ekam sat vipra bahuda vadanti” – that there are various ways to truth..it may be jesus for me, krishna for somebody else, air for another, stone for another, Shirdi Baba for one, SaiBaba foranother.

    I have visited Puttaparthi several times; nobody has asked any money from me, I havenever give any money ever. In fact, I have never seen a collection /hundi box. However, many devotees have donated zillions – to construct world class hospitals giving free treatmentts, world class institutes of learnig — even secularists cnnot deny that it needs mney.

    I saw Sai Baba first in 1966; He visited the house of our REC Principal Dr Kesava Rao. In those days Sai Baba used to travel a lot.

    Sai Baba has tons of devotees from Kerala. In fact, He used to have onam celeb in Puttaparthi everyyear. I hope it will continue. The devotees covered all religions (although may Muslims I know kept it a secret so not to create any waves).

    While He has many devotees/followers, two n particular merits specific mention. Philip Prasad, the naxalite leader .in the first axalite movemet n Kerala, jailed for the Pulpalli police station and Potti murder case had a transformative experience in the jail; leaving commuism and axalism after leaving jail for Sai Baba. B Wellington, the fiery leftist trade union leader and minister in the EMS and may other leftist govts is another one. Both Christians (along with millions of christians like me)

    Two of His fierce opponents also were Kerala Christians – Dr abraham Kovoor and Sanal Edamaruku, “rationalist thinkers”…..these guys will at the most may have 10 followers

    He did not say “give me money”. He only said believe in and work for truth, love, peace. His manttra was ” love all, serve all”.

    There is a popular saying in Malayalam ” do not degrade evn if you do not respect”.

    I am with Shoeb’s 40 million.

    We all should be happy that we live in a free country with total freedom to follow, worship, donate..

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    shan Reply:

    @Gopi Thomas , Rationalist like Dr Abraham does not seek followers THEY SEEK TRUTH, godmen and charlatans survive on having a following “who will fill their coffers” that is why SAI BABA IS NO WHERE TO BE SEEN IN THE TRIBAL BELTS OF ORISSA, BIHAR , BENGAL, MP

    only clean cut metrosexual , preferably caucasian of northern hemishere , FOR THAT ENHANCES THE BRAND APPEAL

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Thank God — kovoors ad idamaruks will be i the dustbin of “truth seekers”

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gopi,

    let me also narrate a true story told to me in first person.

    Ramraju was around twenty, aprofessional wrestler, also helping people in distress with his muscle power. Once, a woman who had fed him with food during his lean days told him that the local bully was harassing her for money and had also beaten her. When the bully came again to harass her, Ramraju was waiting for him. This pehlwan gave him so much that the bully died!

    The young wrestler got scared and ran away from home, wandering all the way to Puttaparthi,, even without knowing it. That was the time Sai Baba was an upcoming godman and Raju saw a huge crowd lining the street. He mingled among the people and saw the rath being pulled through the street with Baba virajman on a throne. When the rath neared the place where Ramraju was standing, Baba got down from the rath, drew Ramraju nearer and blessed him by keeping his hand on his head. He also told him, “do not worry, you have not done a wrong in the eyes of God. Go back to your place. Everything will be alright.” And it did.

    The question Ramraju couldn’t ever get an answer for is, ‘how, in a sea of heads, Baba could see him and bless him. Ramraju hadn’t heard of Saibaba till he saw him!!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    In the middle of night you can hear a small noise from a great distance, yet during day time you miss the mobile ringing in your own pocket – all because of noise.

    We miss many things because of that noise in our own mind. If we control that noise in our mind, we can hear many things and connect to people or organic/inorganic objects at a great distance.

    I have had personal experience. People including my own relatives had laughed at my theory ( because I was just a school kid ) when I told them how swamis connect to people! Same relatives had similar experience when they practised Reiki at a later stage in their lives.

    With a little effort, even aam janta can harness a lot of mental power.

    I am not underestimating Sai Baba’s power. But I am for empowering regular people with with simple realignment of their lives. And i concurr with Ramdev and Ravi Shankar on these points.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    There are so many personal experieces..

    The issue is there are courts ad systems (administered by Vinod’s corrupt congress) to go after wrongdoings of aybody – Godmen, congress leaders, journalists et al. Yacking does not solve nything.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    An extract from a column written by Mr Wagah Candle Kuldeep Nayyar

    “I know of a senior journalist who has become a member of a government-appointed commission. He is happy to occupy both positions. Technically he may be right, but the question is not legal. It’s moral. His name will also come out one of these days as have the names of the others in the transcripts of the tapped chats.”

    I do not agree with Mr Nayyar. That name will never come in those tapes. We do not agree with many of his views and often cross swords with him but have the highest respect for his integrity.

    But why should Mr Nayyar write this? Jealousy ? or some old proffessional animosity ? or is it that he was a contender for that position in the govt appointed commission?

    Never knew that this what goes on within the stable of “secularism”

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    Am overwhelmed by your comment. Thanx. This remark of Mr Nayyar has been recirculated a couple of days ago– though it was made some eight months back soon after I took over as NCM member. He did not know then that I draw no salary or any other facility (except occasional use of car) for the work I do at the NCM.
    Frankly Praveen I do regret at times for having taken up the NCM work. I did it out of passion but it’s used by some to show that I am under obligation now of the government of the day. I am under nobody’s obligation and shall never be. It’s just that my views on some issues might come across as non-critical or even supportive of it. But that’s my democratic right. Isn’t it?
    Thanx again for the understanding. Really obliged :) )

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Despite all differences, I’d choose Mr.Sharma over Mr.Nayyar any day.

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  • vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    look… u have been a clean chit by many of those whom you as rightist and fundamantalist.

    That is why I say dont go by this fake business created by the media that a secular person can only be that, who supports the Congress…

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  • vijay Kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Modern medicine really has to come to terms with a huge amount of truths. Frankly Ramdev and Sr Sri Ravi have satisfied many a people where medicine failed. Maybe failed is a wrong word. I would say docotors have not recognised.

    Till Freud came in, the mind as a reason for lifestyle diseases and behaviour was not recognised. Psychiatry and psycholgy have today, gone far from Freud. But then he was the founder of a new science…

    Till the late sixties many a doctor in the US appeared in cigarette ads extolling the virtues of smoking! :D (You can check up a Camel ad on the net)

    Yoga was languishing in India till Ramdev arrived on the scene. He got it back into the lives of crores…

    Ravi Shankar– I have attended one of his camps– is a pwerful speaker who does NOT convert. HeTalks about the joy of simple things in life and how to make it more meaningful

    Both of them caome out as perfectly rational. They dont promote caste. Dont demand money in case you see them on TV.

    Now if you listen to Digvijay and COngress and see the fantastic amount of corruption which they promote, dont you need a Ravi Shankar to get the anger from your mind and make you do positive things??

    I think Vinod ji is gtting it all wrong. On one hand he wants India to be ruled by a mentally inadequate Yuvraj– just because he belongs to the Parivaar– and on the other hand he is clubbing Sri Ravi and Ramdev with Godmen who promote superstition… :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Just a little before I talked about Ramdev and Ravi Shankar not being Godmen.

    Rahul does not have any spiritual offer for us. Similarly Ramdev does not have any political solutions for us.

    Long time back a swami who knew me , asked ( fondly / jokingly) -

    Prabhat ! you and I started our work / business almost at the same time. I already have so many lakhs in my bank and so many followers. How come you do not have that kind of success in your business ?”

    I said -

    ” Swamiji ! For you it’s one way traffic. People always follow you whatever you say. They do not resist or argue back. I have to fight the resistance everyday. So my success is relatively smaller than yours.”

    That’s difference between rahul and ramdev.

    Rahul Gandhi is working harder than many of his contemporaries in any political party.

    Sonia single handedly brought Congress back to this level. Actually sometimes i wonder If she were born in India and not little decent in European mould and defensive person that she is now, what would happened to Advani & Co ! She would have packed Advani & Co in a towel and dumped ( politically ) on some ghat at hardwar !

    By the way, every now and then. Ramdev talks against Congress and Sonia in his Yoga camps. He did that videshi mahila act at Jantar Mantar too during Anna’a fasting. That is also “conversion” act. It’s political conversion if not religious conversion. His acts are always loaded with ” I, me and myself” !

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  • rajiv

    I have never met Kuldip Nayar. I have read him writing about India in Pakistan papers. He coms accros as a totally dishonest person, who has made a business of propogating anti-India lies to his Pakistani audience and thug political secularists at home.
    People like him are also very useful to communal parties like Congress.

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  • vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv

    KUldip Nayar managed to become the Indian High commissioner to Pakistan during the weak VP Singh govnerment. From then on he feels he has some secret formulae for solving the Indo- pak tangle.

    Let me state that as a college student I was stupid enough to march with VP Singh and Arun Nehru on the streets of Delhi in 1989. So apologies to India for that ! :D

    But knowing some idiotic do gooders (bad gooders) of Kuldeep Nayar mindest who thought India and Pakistan are equal I can say theyu can cause huge damage to us all.

    – They dont realise tht Pakistan is one fourth of India’s size
    – They dont have brains to see Pakistan is a state based on hatred and elimanation of non fanatic Muslims.
    – They feel tyhat to be friends let us equate BJP with LeT

    I think the time of Kuldip Nayars is over. Give them a kick in the butt…. :D

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Vijay
    agree with you. The basic mindset of Kuldip Nayar , as reflected in his writings in Pakistani papers is to belittle and question India’s policies while maintaining discreet silence about the criminal entitry called pak army/isi and the intolerant, jihadi political system that Jinnah and his successors have spun in Pakistan.
    Comaring Pakistan to India , in terms of democracy and treatment of minorities is like comparing USA to Haiti and saying both are alike.
    Most Pakistani writers in reputable pak papers are more balanced and critical of the criminal entity pakistan has become than kuldip nayar.
    I think Mr Kuldip Nayar is motivated by personal gains he can get from Congressmen like Sonia, Digvijay singh who serve a communal agenda in Indian politics. So much harm and confusion has been spun into Indo-Pak relations by dishonest scribes like Kuldip Nayar.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    Very difficult to change a certain mindset. for them Pakistan and India are equal.

    we are not. Pakistan is basically the size of Rajasthan and UP in size and has the population of UP. Its basic philosphy is different. Some language and food may be similar to India.

    But it is largely North India.

    We have to balance unity in diversity. Thye have to murder diversity for unity :D

    I feel ashamed that its is a group of Punjabi refugees like MMS, IK Gujral, Kuldeep nayar, Mani Aiyar ( A tamilian who was born in Lahore with a Punjabi mother), Khushwant Singh etc who hae hd an undue say in the shaping of our foreign policy and made us lose our advantages.

    I think we have a lot to teach Pakistan. Giving up our ideals and condoning its terrorists just for a free kabab at a Indo Pak bash is the worst way to do it.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    If you compare the political systems, the stated ideology of the majority political parties and the history of past 60 years, India and Pakistan , could not be any more different.
    They are as similar as chalk and cheese.
    Pakistan’s political history is much closer to Nigeria’s or some other similar entity than anything else.

  • vijay Kumar

    @ Prabhat !!

    BREAKING NEWS !! :D :D BREAKING NEWS :D :D !!

    SAIF ALI KHAN made CAPTAIN of INDIAN CRICKET TEAM !!!! :D :D

    Mumbai 21st june :
    ————————-

    Shri Saif Ali Khan, hero of many flop films and son of Mansur Ali Khan Pataudi has been made the captain of the Indian cricket team.

    Why ?? Why ?? WHY ???

    Beacuse the people of India feel that his father was a captain so he should now be the captain, even though he may not have played any criket after he got out for four consective ducks whwn he payed cricket for the British school in class 5 :D :D :D

    ————————————————————————————————————————————–

    Prabhat, your logic for dynastic succession smells of this !!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    If Rohan could play cricket as well as Sunil, he would have been in Indian team by now.

    Everybody has a right to take a shot at top slot.

    Including you and me.

    It just that you and I are too docile and not boldenough to take the lead. You and I are not even in the mould of Dhoni who could break the monopolistic reign of Mumbai boys ! You and I would be at the ring side and crib. Because you and I chose the easiest path. To tell the World that we have great political wisdom. But refuse to fight it out on the street.

    Indian political battle field is ruthless. It made ” gungi gudia ” Indira Gandhi the famed Durga ! And then next moment same Mrs Gandhi wanted to take political sanyas after being defeated badly. Rajiv Gandhi got overwhelming mandate and then lost all power and glory.

    Atleast 6 Prime Ministers ( I lost the count ) were there in 5 years. Everybody got their chance to take a shot at the Prime Ministership. Even Sitaram Kesari got his 15 minutes fame !

    13 days, then 13 months and finally almost full term. Vajpayee & Co still could not consolidate their position. The gentleman was so incompetent that he needed a Deputy PM to manage the affairs !

    How many chances do you want to give these incompetent jokers?

    These so called macho, son-of-the-soil, natural Indian political leaders could not collectively defeat a single reluctant woman leader politically ! And then shamelessly get down to personal abuses. You know how a bad performer in bed makes too many noises just to tell the people outside he is performing ! Vijay, sorry to say, your idols and your chosen leaders are nothing less than the man I just described.

    It’s time you stopped focussing on Rahul and go and hunt an able leader to fight out Congress politically.

    Else ask your favourite leader to go for a name change.

    How does L K Gandhi sound ?

    May be his chances of becoming PM will brighten up !

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “13 days, then 13 months and finally almost full term. Vajpayee & Co still could not consolidate their position. The gentleman was so incompetent that he needed a Deputy PM to manage the affairs !”

    Are you Digvijay?

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    Rajiv Reply:

    I would presume much worse. Comparing such comments to thug and communal digvijay , would actually be giving digvijay more respect than he deserves.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Let me re-assure you this is not the India of 1980’s where Mrs gandhi could get away with lies.

    _– That it is for anybody to suggest a program. we have only taken Sanjay and Rajiv because their program fits in with what the country requires.

    Anointing Rahul to the topseat will destroy all the residual goodwill the Nehru-Gandy parivar carries.

    Reason?

    The internet which connects 100’s of millions of Indias to the world. The multiple channels and the Indias who now travel across the world.

    Rahul will not be able to perform with all this noise around him. As it is he has not voiced a single original idea. Just been Digvinash Singh’s HMV.

    The curiosity value he had lasted six months. more and more people are seeing him as dumbo who would be better off at page 3 parties.

    Rajiv gandhi got some mileage becsue he talked about computers and management systems concepts whic were knew to the India of 1980’s. Today all the people on this blog are probably more computer savvy and more of technocrats.

    When Doordarshan was the only channel, Rajiv gandhi was the only face beamed across the land. Today once Rahul’s curiosity value goes away– he will just be a pretty face on TV.

    In a nutshell gadaffi’s sons, Mubarak’s sons, the marcos family– all have got the boot.
    SO WHY IS THE CONGRESS SO DUMB TO THINK THEY CAN TELL LIES BOUT ROYAL BLOOD to sell the stories about the dynastic right to rule ….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    When Rajiv talked about computers and telecom revolution, Advani & Co did their usual street nautankis. They were the ones too vocal against these ideas.

    Mark Advani’s words – ” Gandhi ke desh mein computers ki kya jaroorat hai ?”

    [ What is need of computer in the land og Gandhi ? ]

    Suddenly BJP remembered Gandhi !

    If you are net savvy today, a large part of credit goes to Rajiv Gandhi and Sam Pitoda.

    Similarly, if a large group of Youth take to politics in future, then few years down the line, a large part of credit will go to Rahul Gandhi. He has done unthinkables. He made sure of formal elections in Youth Congress !! And the election process including selection of candidates were done by the NGO headed by a former CEC.

    As a former advertising and brand management guy, I can confidently tell you that Rahul’s image is consolidating, not fading away.

    Even if does not become PM, he will leave behind a legacy in Congress which will be difficult match by the future leaders.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prab hat

    Cmon you got to be joking !!

    What r u having right now? Single malt or desi tharra????? :D

    We need to break out of our slave mentality. We dont need to give credit to rajiv for the computers. We need to blame Indira and her advisors for making India a closed economy.

    If politcal parties in India dont hold elections, it is because the Congress created a culture of foiting leaders from the top. And anoinitng a nehru-gandy parivarwalla at the topmost. :D

    When Rahul holds elections it is for chosing the samll fries. The topmost postion is only going to be held by him… :D

    Prabhat I think from your intelligent. But your fixation of Rahul Gandhi somehow smacks of a defeatist attitude.

    That come what may… HAMEIN USS PARIVAAR KI SEVA KARNI HAI… kyonki woh raja hai aur hum runk….

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I gave you solution after my long argument.

    Looks like it has to be L K Gandhi .

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Don’t you, Prabhat, think two fake Gandhis are enough to finish off India?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    2 pRABHAT

    Now who is LK gandhi?// me is genuinl puzzeld… ?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Numerologists have advised L K Advani to change his name to L K Gandhi.

    More than us, it’s you and BJP truly believe that Gandhi name ensures prime Ministership of india.

    So why do agitation and rath yatra ? Why make people’s lives miserable?

    Just change the name to Gandhi and L K Advani becomes L K Gandhi and can be the PM of India.

    The most non-invasive political coup BJP can have !

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    The new and improved 3rd Gandhi will have better potency.

    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    I think you are a bit Advani obsessed. Poor guy is not even in the picture when Yamraj projects Yuvraj as the PM.

    I think you should also do some research on how Feroze Gandy become Gandhi just for acceptance by the INdian people.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    My servant asked me recently why A.Raja was arrested and put in jail while Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi are roaming free. I asked him why he thought they should be arrested. He says his wife told him that 2G scam means 2 Gandhis scam, which is why he says they too should be arrested.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Every student of Class V would know how Feoze gor Gandhi surname.

    It is only BJP & Co and their street boys got to know about recently.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Just curious. Why are questions addressed to Vinod or regarding him, being answered by Prabhat? Didn’t know HT has outsourced some of its work?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    When Vinodji appears on TV with his smiling face-sometimes laughing face, somebody has to defend the congress and their indefensible war with India on this blog. So Prabhat’s two bits of wisecracks help.

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  • Mohan R

    I would actully compare Prabhat with Tajender.

    Prabhat always defends Congress/Sonia/Rahul whenever anything written against them and
    Tajender would always defend muslims all over the world in a same way.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    You take charge of defending Congress, I will move away.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    @Mohan,
    You have to take charge of defending Congress, its corruption and its media (Vinod) so it is big responsibility for you..Let prabhat have his much needed rest.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat,

    Your criticism of BJP is legitimate. Even I dont support them. The only difference
    between BJP and Congress is Chota Chor and Bada Chor. But, I am surprised at
    your constant praising of congress, Sonia/Rahul when their are so many
    proofs/alegations against them of them being highly corrupt.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I can live with corrupts, not communals.

    Corrupts could be corrected, communals are difficult.

    Mohan R Reply:

    Prabhat,
    Congress not comunal ?. If I am not mistaken they are in alliance with
    PDF- professor’s hand severing fame party – in Kerala.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    You seriously need to update yourself on congress’s balant communalism.

  • RAMESH AGARWAL

    I AM SURE THAT VINODJI NEVER TRIED TO FIND HOW MUCH SOCIAL AND SPRITUAL SERVICES OUR SAINTS ARE DOING NOT FOR OUR COUNTRYMEN BUT PEOPLE ABROAD AND ARE BEING RESPECTED.ONE CAN NOT BEFOOL MILLIONS ALL THE TIME.I KNOW BAPU ASHARAMJI,MORARI BAPU,SS RVI SHANKERJI,RAMESH BHAI OJHA,SUNDANSHUJI MAHARAJ BABA RAMDEVJI ARE DOING EXCELLANT SERVICES IN FIELD OF SPRITUALITY CARRYING MESSAGE OF PEACE,UNITY,BROTHERWOOD AND WAY OF GETTING INTERNAL PEACE.THEY ARE ACTUALLY OUR SPRITUAL AMBASSADORS PROPOGATING OUR ANCIENT CULTURE, CIVILISATION AND ANCIENT SPRITUAL KNOWLEDGE FOR WHICH THEY ARE GREATLY RESPECTED.RAMDEVJI HAS BEEN PROPOGATING YOG IN SIPLIFIED FORM AND MILLIONS ARE BEING BENEFITTED AND MANY SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF TV ON AASTHA CHANNEL AS EARLY AS 5AM TO LEARN YOG.HE HAS WAGED A WAR AGAINST MNCS,PROPOGATING ON INDEGENIOUS PRODUCTS, AYURVEDIC MEDICINES AND FOR LAST 9 MONTHS HE IS CARRYING OUT A MOVEMENT FOR CONTAINING CORRUPTION AND BRINGING BACK ALL MONEY FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES.VISITING ALL PARTS OF COUNTRY EXPLAINING ABOUT HIS CRUSADE.AND GET LOT OF SUPPORTERS.IT IS EVIDENT THAT WHEN ONE IS POPULAR HE GETS SOME ENEMIES TOO.I AM SURPRISED THAT WRITER NEVER CONDEMNED POLICE ATTROCITIES ON HIM AND HIS SUPPORTERS.CRACKDOWN WAS ORDERED BY SONIA GANDHI WHO HAS NO RESPECT FOR OUR SAINTS, CULTURE AND INDEGENISATION BUT SURROUNDED BY SYCOPHANS LIKE DIGVIJAYA SINGH WHO HAS SOFT CORNER FOR TERRORISTS.THE LANGUAGE HE USD AGAINST RAMDEVJI WAS HORRIBLE.DO YOU THINK SUCH CRACKDOWN COULD BE ORDERED ON MUSLIM CROWD NEVER.HINDUSTAN TIMES IS PRO CONGRESS AND ANTI BJP/HINDUS/RSS/SAINTS THAT IS WHY MOST OF ARTICLES PUBLISHED ARE IN AME LINE.WHY COLUMNIST LIKE VINODJI FOLLOW SAME LINE AS TAT OF HT AND NOT BE FAIR TO DESERVING ONES.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Ramesh

    Please do not type in All CAP. It;’s so difficult to read !

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  • Mohan R

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/192647/suicide-bomber-surrenders-herself-to-security-officials/

    There are no words to decribe such horrible matter.. How can people stoop so low. ?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mohan,

    Post 2002 Gujarat riots, Qutubuddin Ansari was called the face of Gujarat riots.
    Now Sahan will be the face of Pakistani terror!

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Here is a preview of an interview an editor had with Ramdev.

    ed: Ba ba Ramdev, have you any moolah?
    b.r.: no sir, no sir, I barely light my choolah
    ed: such?
    b.r.: very much

    ed: Digvinash called you a thug
    b.r.:he was bitten by mad-cow bug

    ed: are you ‘influencing’ the minds of our women?
    b.r.: it will only mean, for the dynasty it’s a bad omen

    ed: are you thinking of joining the sangh parivar?
    b.r.: I am holding sat sangh in Haridwar

    ed: finally, would you teach yoga to Rahul Gandhi?
    b.r.; I will make him do shirshaasan, so that he can see the world right side up.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    brilliant ! Err… was Vinod Shram conducting this interview??

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    This interview, as per my information, will appear on prime news hour on 30th June on Fox News, Kangaroo TV, Zebra9 channel and Animal Kingdom channels.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Mr.Sharma,
    What are your views on Rajiv Gandhi’s account in swiss banks? Here is graphics of Rajiv Gandhi along with likes of Saddam Hussein, accused of having Secret swiss accounts..
    http://manageyourreputation.blogspot.com/2011/06/rajiv-gandhi-swiss-bank-account.html

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev WHY NOT ADDRESS THIS TO ADVANI, what was he doing when he was in power , planning another RATH YATRA

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You are right. Advani should be made to answer on Bofors..Bloody these BJP wallahs.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    This is typical argument..Do you expect BJP to address all the mess created by Congress in 50 years, in just 6 years? I am sure that an intelligent person like you can see things in proportion.

    We should ask this congress to ministers in PVN govt. Why didn’t they address Bofors and Rajiv’s loot?

    Why has UPA I & II not investigated NDA’s corruption and exposed BJP? Till date not one scam NDA govt, has been proven by Congress?

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev ,I am not taking sides , i think both are two sides of the S H I T .But SIX years is a long time , and the fact is THEY COULD NOT NAIL IT , IT WOULD HAVE YIELDED MASSIVE POLITICAL DIVIDEND AND WE WOULD BE WRITING THE ORBITUARY OF CONGRESS.
    The fact is once it is in THE BANK , the money and information stays there , that is the BRAND EQUITY of swiss banks.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Whenever any issue is raised, the normal retort is why did NDA not do this in 6 years.
    The six years is not a long time to clean up 50 years mess. I totally disagree with you on this.

  • Mohan R

    Windies lose third wicket. This match is getting interesting .

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  • Rajiv

    I dont think any sane person has argued that intelligence is a function of caste or race .
    So, if anyone is trying to disprove that , he is just wasting time or has some agenda.

    In fact, for those who understand astrology, and in India there are lots of them, intelligence is a function of your birth-time and has no reference to anything else. People of all races, colors and creed are born at all times.

    Growing up in India, I was not even aware of my caste or the caste issue until I appeared for joint entrance exams for engineering colleges . In school and in social life groing up, I was not aware of the caste of my friends. Its government that has to some extent promoted castism in society by making quotas and making quotas a political issue. Even actions that have good intent ( quotas for weaker sections of society, which should rationally be economic criteria based ) have adverse impact.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajiv,you were not aware of many other things ,like india has the highest number of TB patients and leprosy patients. You were not aware there are rag pickers and most of them children, you were not aware of places called KALAHANDI, you were not aware of people living in india called santhals , kol bhil , gonda and how they lived.You were though aware of bollywood , hollywood
    USA greencard , BI visa , DOLLAR to RUPEE EXCHANGE RATE

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    Rajiv Reply:

    I may not be aware of it but I am aware of the kind of mind-set you have. Now why dont you start peddling your ‘dalit’ stuff all over again ?

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    shan Reply:

    Better than your SMUG AND COSY VIEWS, and the never ending anti pakistan and anti congress rant without any intellectual merit or substance , a kind of NARA BAZI

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    You are saying that Rajiv, you are not aware of things like india has the heighest number of TB patients and leprosy patients. You were not aware there are rag pickers and most of them are children etc, etc. Rajiv got his credentials as an engineer in India and surely he is aware of all the things, which you are talking about. I fail to understand, what you are trying to point out.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    A very large section of USA or France can not even tell where India is !

    That does not mean India does not exist !

    This line of argument only shows how myopic we can be.

    Rajiv ! A huge animal like elephant is tied to a barely 4″ pole, yet the elephant never tries to move away.

    Do you know why?

    Because elephant remembers being tied down. The animal can not even take a simple judgement that the pole is too small and feeble for his size. But the psych of “being tied down” is acute that rational thoughts do not prevail.

    Our caste system has made Dalits, OBC, SC, ST etc as dormant as elephant. They do not have self-esteem, social recognisation.

    You must have noticed how rejection by seniors in office make people loose the self esteem and turn bad performer. Imagine this outcome is just because of few weeks or months of rejection. Imagine what rejections for centuries would do a group of people r a section of the society !

    Besides, barely handful people in those backward castes are affluent. It’s almost like 99% of backward caste are economically weak.

    That’s why instead of wasting resources in searching and tracking relatively affluent section in the backward caste and then excluding from Govt. benefits, the administration usually tend to offer blanket benefits to the whole section. Else the administrative cost of these benefit scheme will be very high.

    It will take a lot of effort and time to bring these sections up.

    We need to distribute wealth and economic development for a wholesome development of the society.

    If we do not do that then we risk of turning the simmering resents into a revolution.

    Someway, it happened in Tamil Nadu and Bihar.

    Since you are a well meaning person, you must take a little deeper look at the problem and understand why “inclusive development ” is so important to our country.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    I do not agree with your caste theory. If 99% of so called so called scheduled castes and tribes make 99% of the poor then why should the people who benefit from caste based quotas reject quotas based on economic position ?
    Quotas should be directed at the poor and if 100% of the poor make up scheduled castes , then thats perfectly fine.
    Son of a rich backward caste father can send his soon to a private engineering colege but the son of a poor upper caste cannot. We should be giving equal opportunity to the economically weak, and as you argue, if 99% of the the economically weak are the backward castes, then that should take care of it.
    My point is, by focusing quotas on castes instead of poor, we are unwittingly legitimizing the castes. Castes today matter in social life , mostly in matters of marriage. If a person of a certain caste wants to marry within his caste, it’s his democratic right. Remember, right of choosing with whom you want to assiciate is guaranteed in the Indian constitution and in the constitution of all free nations.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajiv

    The administrative cost of tracking and then excluding marginally affluents among lower caste from the welfare schemes is too high. So for next few decades, there is no harm if the blanket benefit is given the lower caste

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Prabhat;
    did not receive your reply as it was on last page. Expecting a reply from you. Please take trouble to answer that.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I fail to understand your so much anger against India and Indians. There may be thousand flaws in India but it is home for people like us.
    Please stop this unnecessary western style anti-india propaganda. You should understand that we will always be identified as Indians no matter how much western/arabian we become.
    Drop this India bashing…

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev , you are becoming a classical anglo saxon FLAG WAVER, which i come across all the time in UK.Everything in UK is good , any criticism and you are not ENGLISH .like that idiot we saw in TV draped in union jack in front of the ROVER car factory protesting against the take over by the BMW. at the end even BMW couldn’t save it ,FOR FLAF ALONE CANT SAVE WHEN THERE IS NO ENGINEERING TALENT.
    Same about India.I hold an Indian passport unlike EVERYONE OF USA PACK, who rushed to apply for american citizenship.
    Unless you face the truth , you wont be able to address it , else you adopt the ISLAMIC MODEL and remain in PERPETUALSTATE OF DENIAL AND DELUDE YOURSELF IN YOUR INFALLIABILITY

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    There is difference between criticizing and slamming.
    You are free to choose your method.

    Raj Reply:

    Huh??? Everyone of USA Pack??? Are you sure you haven’t been inflicted with rabies recently??? You seem to be biting at everyone passing by in a self-righteous way.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv;
    I was not very sure, whether you were referring to my post, commenting on link for Patnaik’s article. A line was thrown in by Prabhat about caste in this discussion and we were discussing caste equations in india, where certain professions are associated with a particular caste. Some professions are considered related with intellect and by tradition, those functions were being done by people of certain castes. This division includes, every profession from Teaching, Philosphy, Advisor,Fighting, Business, Priests Jhaaduwala, maila dhone wala etc. I think you have not followed the link. So, what ever tradition of caste system prevailing in India, has no sanction in religion, whole thing has been manufactured by some vested interests of past and now, people with felicity in abusing and shouting are wrong, when they say that it is hindu religion, which is responsible for inhuman condition of caste system, as being practiced till about 100 years back and even now to certain extent.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Pankaj,
    I agree with your summarization. Hindu philosophy, its ideas of God, its ideas of ‘karma’ have nothing to do with caste. Castism has been dieing its natural death. The best way to judge it is to look at intercaste marriages, which are extremely comMon today, thats its not even worth a comment when someone marries outside caste.
    However, caste quotas are going to keep this system alive because of the incentives it provides to it.
    In Bengal, I had a neighbour whose last name was ‘Saha’. They were landlords and had significant amount of commercial and agricultural land. However, some ‘Saha’s are also so called backward castes. So the kids of my neighbour Saha, got and obtained a certificate to proclaim that they are ‘backward ‘ castes. Such practices are very common.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv & Pankaj,
    Although I am not an expert on casteism but didn’t caste system evolve (or should I say degenerate) to keep majority of people out of plum jobs so that select few can have monopoly over their profession? It is all about economic competition. Right now super rich and rich in India are plundering resources and getting the system their way so that Aam Admi (current lower caste) can be pushed away out of competition.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    This is precisely what I am saying. Please go back and read my posts. All posts, on caste in this blog.

  • http://- Rajeev

    I don’t understand the concept of distributing wealth. How about allowing everyone to create wealth? The old congressi idea of handouts is going to bankrupt this country.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @rajeev

    When we talk of distribution of wealth, we mean opportunities to create wealth in every sections of society.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I think you have rethought your position which is a good sign.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @rajeev

    Rethought my position ?

    Rajeev Reply:

    You being congressi can not believe what you posted in reply to me. You congressi are still stuck with your socialism.

    But welcome to the new world..I congratulate your congress for giving a non-nehru/Gandhi PVN who transformed India.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Thanks for the acknowledgement.

    Rajeev Reply:

    You are welcome. We can always teach new tricks to old dog. This is called power of initiative which incidently is not a socialist concept.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev

    You will notice that India’s poverty is greater in parts where private initiative and entrepreneurship is killed by the state government.

    One bengali friend once commented that West bengal has the most honest Chief minisiters and Harayana probably the most corrupt. But haryana flourishes and West bengal Sinks.

    Running a small company myself I provide employment to 30- forty people.

    We once tried to take up a contract in Bihar. The first that happened when we landed there was the local MLA asked for 10% cut to let work go on. We decided to dump the Bihar of Lalu, rabri and his dynasty.

    yet I know for sure that most buildings in Delhi and NCR have a very very high contribution by Biharis. They could not perform in their own state– which they can now becasue of nitish and BJP.

    Ditto for west bengal.

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    shan Reply:

    A COD ECONOMIST makes sweeping generalisation. haryana population 2.5 CRORE , west bengal population 8.2 CRORE,population density haryana 452/sq km west bengal 1021/sq km
    despite all that and THESCORGE OF PARTITION
    West Bengal has the third largest economy (2003–2004) in India, with a net state domestic product of US$ 21.5 billion.[67] During 2001–2002, the state’s average SDP was more than 7.8% — outperforming the National GDP Growth

    LOT OF HARYANA ‘S PROSPERITY OWES ITS PROXIMITY TO DELHI , THE CAPITAL
    60% of the INVESTMENT IS IN CONSTRUCTION SECTOR
    Gurgaon and Maruti and CALL CENTRES ARE the biggest source of its prosperity.
    Though I have a feeling it could be way up in number of violent crimes and rapes.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    I had promised myself that I won’t talk to you becasue of your tendency to slip into obscenities.

    There is a difference between wit and obscenities. Especially on a public forum.

    however since you mentioned so many factors for West bengal’s demise let me give you some plain truths.

    a) Calcutta was better placed than most places and cities in India after partition. Better than say gurgaon or even delhi

    b) west bengal chose a cutlrue of trade Unionism and wanting to be com munist rather chose a market econmy.

    c) Therre is tendency to blame everyone else except yourslf in Bengal. blame America, capitalism, global forces, the Centre…

    So unless west bengal faces the truth I see little hope..

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    When the culture of gherao’s was initiated by the Left union goons all over WB in the mid sixties, officers’ families from outside of WB used to perform shraddh for those getting posted to WB!

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Even Mamta finally used the same tool of “agitation” to dethrone communists ! What an irony !

    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Compare the speed with which the Delhi metro was constructed with that of the Calcutta Metro which was the first in India, gives the difference in the work culture.

    Like I said– everything was being blamed on a huge CIA conspiracy led by global forces of exploitation– even when your kitchen sink was blocked :D

    shan Reply:

    same calcutta also faced a refugee influx of ONE CRORE in 1950. The CPM rule has been like a nightmare which the people of bengal have rightly sent packing. every state has its ups and down , though it is true running roughshod will not be tolerated in bengal , they are too righteous people. Still for your information 25% of all intake in CSIR is from graduates of WB university.Of the TEN best university of India as judged by UGC TWO are from WB.
    According to an un report on world universities with most impact THE ONLY ONE QUALIFIED FROM INDIA IS CALCUTTA UNIVERSITY

    shan Reply:

    @vijay kumar , for your kind information , calcutta metro was built mainly by INDIAN EXPERTISE
    Delhi metro WAS GIFT WRAPPED BY JAPAN. Also it took such a long time because it was 1980
    LONG BEFORE CALL CENTRES IT OUTSOURCING FOREIGN CURRENCY INFLOW THROUGH FOREIGN FUND MANAGERS.
    Thus is was stop and start depending on the state of resources.
    Also Building a metro in a densely populated place like calcutta with its SPECIFIC GEOLOGICAL PROBLEM is a tribute to INDIAN ENGINEERS(never saw a gora on the site)

    They have built probably the ONLY SUSPENSION BRIDGE IN INDIA (The second howrah bridge0
    Also the same “INDIAN” engineers built INDIAS ONLY AIR CONDITIONED STADIUM

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan,

    you said, GEOLOGICAL PROBLEM is a tribute to INDIAN ENGINEERS(never saw a gora on the site)”

    where were you keeping your tongue all those barren, white-starved days?

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Rajeev,
    Good point. Good governance is key to economic prosperity .

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  • http://- Rajeev
  • vijay kumar

    @ rajeev

    So bachchan parivar ka waris aa gaya…

    Abhshek finally did it !!

    pappu pass ho gaya…

    Oh !! I am being cruel. Anyway with this good nes I need to sign off… :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Now this country is waiting for Digvijay to impregnate Rahul ;)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Abhishek has made all Mangaloreans proud!

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  • http://- Rajeev

    When Indian Mujahideen men were on run, they were given financial help by Abu Azmi (SP) and were also provided refuse by certain congress MLAs.
    Why has this angle never been investigated? Digvijay visited homes of IM terrorists and sympathized with them? Even Rahul sounded sypathetic to SIMI-LeT.

    Is Congress involved in Islamic terrorism as RSS is involved in Hindu terrorism?

    We should ban both Congress and RSS because both are dangerous to unity of nation.

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  • Rajiv

    Congress has been involved in terrorism and communalism for last many years.
    The congres party spokesman, digvijay, acts as the LeT spokesman in India. The views of the most rabid LeT jihadi are not any different than the Congress general secretary.

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  • Rajiv

    the views of Kasav’s mentors and LeT leaders about who did 26/11 are no different than the views of Congress party and Sonia family spokesman digvijay.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    I hope that Digvijay meets his waterloo during coming elections. All Indians should unite and finish this rabid man from public life. Blot on Indians of every hue.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I think NDA if it comes to power should not leave Digvijay and his masters in peace. They should investigate their overt and covert support for Islamic terrorism.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Though, do not believe in vindictive politics, but this appears to be an exception.

    Rajeev Reply:

    After what Congress has done post IM terror and 26/11, it doesn’t deserve any kind of mercy.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Unfortunately, animal in self has to be controlled at great expense. One of the strongest passion is revenge. But, for the general good of society, some time this has to be resorted to. do not wish to go to that path.

  • shan

    Folks everything in India is not corrupt , INFOSYS , WIPRO are squeaky clean , so are host of IT majors and even BHARTI TELECOM and the one that VIDEOCON bought for FIVE BILLION ,THESE ARE GENUINE COMPANIES and there are GREAT VENTURES NOTHING TO DO WITH CORRUPTION
    RANBAXY sold to DAICHI for couple of billions
    DR REDDY’S LAB, CIPLA , they have done cutting edge research
    IT IS ONLY AMBANIS AND ALL THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH AMAR DALAL SINGH NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
    AFTER THE 2G SWINDLERS ARE SENT TO JAIL CORRUPTION WILL DROP DRAMATICALLY

    Some degree of corruption is inevitable and universal

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You should talk to employees for Infosys and Wipro in US.

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  • pankaj#1

    Rajeev/ Vinod;
    Just out of curosity, I went back to last blog. Rajeev, by all parameters, Vinod appears to have come out as dedicated congress person. No corruption charge has been labelled and /or proved against him. I am not pro or against Vinod. I find some of his thinking not congruent to my thinking. My opposition to him starts from this point. I am no longer an Indian citizen, but this has not taken away India from me, as my brothers and sisters still live in India. And many of them are dye hard congressi. At the same time, many of us feel, that congress has veered away from its ideals and present posturing is against best interest of India. That is how I right my postings.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Few mistakes of spellings. it is evening time here, hope u wall will ignore this.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Prabhat,

    you said, “13 days, then 13 months and finally almost full term. Vajpayee & Co still could not consolidate their position. The gentleman was so incompetent that he needed a Deputy PM to manage the affairs !

    How many chances do you want to give these incompetent jokers? ”

    From 1946 to 1964, Jawaharlal Nehru ruled India unchallenged.
    We gave him all the chances he needed and more.
    Yet, what is his pathetic record?
    Two wars, both lost so miserably that when the second time he lost he became paralytic.
    He practically gifted Tibet to China, besides India’a own lands measuring 25000 Sq miles.
    When China attacked India, our soldiers were asked to clean their 303 rifles
    His economic policies drove us every year to the US with empty gunny bags and torn wallets.
    Our weather “experts” were ordered to watch the rain fall, not in India but in the US, so that we could beg them to give more bheek of wheat.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    When you quoted my posting, I thought you would come out with explanation and demolish my argument.

    But what do you have come up with !!!

    Shenoy ! Those were the formative years.

    Fresh out of the struggle for independence and painful memories of partition, India was coming in grip with her new existence.

    Since you are a businessman, you understand the problem of initial teething problem. Nehru not only pulled the country out of those painful years, but laid a solid foundation with core industries that have would help India in subsequent years.

    He inspired industrialists and scientists to join the Nation building programme and everybody joined in enthusiastically.

    if you noticed, IITians who went abroad in sixties to USA have actually brought us all the laurels in recent years during IT revolution.

    If we have sound fundamentals now, it is because of the core industries and institutions set up during Nehru’s time.

    So stop being sceptical. Enjoy being citizen of the 2nd fastest growing economy in the World.

    It’s all about India, next few decades.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    your story would have done credit to a fourth std student debating Nehru’s “contribution”. When it comes from you, what we get is the picture of a camp follower blindly believing what the party has dished out as its version of history.

    For a nascent democracy, begging for food came very easily to Nehru, even while taking antagonistic positions vis-a-vis the US, the hand that was feeding us, on every issue of conflict anywhere in the world. When China attacked us, Nehru didn’t think twice while begging the US for arms too.

    The so called ‘core industries’ like HMT, HEC, etc are all lying in tatters for the last three decades.
    He established the IITs only to feed the US and European industry with world class engineers.
    Even while establishing the IITs he totally neglected primary and secondary education, spending a paltry 2% of the GDP. Also grievously neglected for seventeen long years was health care. All that we could boast of was a giant, unweildy, unproductive public sector and NON-ALIGNMENT

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    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy , nehru and indira could not acheive for there were “Shenoys” ,the BANK MANGERS
    WHO WOULD NOT RELEASE THE LOAN WITHOUT A CUT. stick to your street poetry,history is not your strong subject and do some reading in between your garment business.
    NEHRU HAD TO BUILD A MASSIVE ARMS INDUSTRY AND ARMY AFTER BACKSTABBING
    BY THE COCKROACH EATERS. Also british didn’t leave a golden bowl , BY LAW NO INDIAN COULD BUILD HEAVY INDUSTRY IN BRITISH ERA(Another ignorant called Dr Shah Alam should take note) only exception was made for the war effort thus tata steel etc.
    Birla made his money speculating on OPIUM in calcutta stock exchanges.
    FAMINES were as regular AS COUP DE TAT IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. there was no FERTILISER
    INDUSTRY. Initially it was imported by plane loads
    ON TOP OF THIS WAS PARTITION WHICH SAW NEARLY ALL HINDUS MOVE INTO INDIA , VERY FEW MUSLIM LEFT FOR PAKISTAN

    REMEMBER “Ask not what your country can do for you , ask what you can do for your country”
    Minimal would be to eat together with a dalit in your house

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan,

    you need to check your history. When Nehru built up his socialistic economy, India was NOT under British Law. He only invested in the public sector, which grew into a corrupt, inefficient and unproductive monster consuming huge doles and hand-outs from the general budget of the country year after year.

    The famines came before independence. The Bengal famine was actually man-made.
    Partition too was a blunder committed by Nehru, who failed to win over Jinnah by yielding the prime ministership to him.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    “. He only invested in the public sector, which grew into a corrupt, inefficient and unproductive monster consuming huge doles and hand-outs from the general budget of the country year after year.”
    You mean Private Sector was existing – invenstments, funds, know-how, markets and all – and yet Nehru chose the public sector by some “magical and fatal toss of coin” ?
    “Partition too was a blunder committed by Nehru, who failed to win over Jinnah by yielding the prime ministership to him.”
    Vow. Poor him and Jinnah and all those. They never realised how easy it was.
    Been attending too much RSS “Bauddhiks” off late ?
    - Mahesh.

    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy HINDUSTAN MOTORS and its product AMBASSADOR (a lock stock and barrel Morris Oxford) was a PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT.Didn’t exactly FLOOD the world with its product , nor was it the most efficient. same with ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY all in private hands ,DONT THINK JAPANESE ARE LOSING SLEEP OVER IT.
    State or Private IT IS THE HUMAN CAPITAL
    A CASTE RIDDEN BACKWARD INDIA GOT WHAT IT DESERVED

  • vijay kumar

    @ Everyone

    the dynasty has served its purpose and to get it back smacks of sevility and an inferiority complex. :D

    People who hitch on the dynasy bandwagon are doing so for getting some material benefit. As Digivjay does.

    DIGVIJAY KNOW RAHUL IS TOO SCARED TO FINALLY COME UP AS THE NEXT PM. INFACT HE MAY ASK DIGVINASH TO TAKE UP THE SLOT in case Congrss wins 2014.

    What a sad day it will be for india !! :( :( :(

    By shouting out rahul’s name Digvinash has effectively told the people of india that the Manmohan singh legacy is zero !! This is bound to effect MMS’s performance further on.

    And to top it all, the story about bugs in Pranab Mukherji’s office shows that there is mutual distrust. And the fact that Pranab too fears a palace coup with Digvinash taking over ….

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Strange are the ways of this government.The Office of the senior most Minister who is also the Finance Minister in the Council of Ministers was discovered to be have been illegally accessed and under surveillance. When he discovers this he does not approach the Home Ministry but a department under his own jurisdiction, which does not have the capabilities and outsources the job to a private agency.
    So if Sharad Pawar has the same fears tomorrow , he will ask FCI to organize an electronic sweep of his office for electronic bugging and FCI will engage Globe Detective Agency which in turn shall engage a top US Company.
    Is this a functioning government of a sovereign state or a joke.
    But then we should not be surprised. Power rests with a lady who appoints the PM with instructions to sign on files sent to him and say “I approve”. If he shows the temerity to demur , let loose the hatchet man to say “Chottey Malik is ready to take over.” Now the PM has a limited choice . If he quits , so do the immunities he enjoys and will land up facing Inquiries and Investigations. If he does not , he gets get embedded in more illegalities and bigger mess.
    Sad no ..for a person who has undergone 3 bypass surgeries.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    Manmohan Singh will not care for chote malik, but does obsequious noises when the designated hatchet man so much as whispers ‘chote sarkar ( Sorkar, as Shaan would have it ).

    Another small correction: He had only two by-pass surgeries.
    Rest are all instances of by-passing him by badi sorkar(ini).

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    Thank You for correctiing me. But pl allow me correct you too. If it is Bengalee then it is “Shorkar” and not “Sorkar” .
    Was it not Rojib Gandhi who had called Calcutta a Dying City.

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Pranab Mukerjee is not making a big issue of his office being bugged. May be
    he knows on whose instructions it was being bugged. Madam ? . Other
    congress leaders also should check their offices .

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mohan,

    Really speaking, Pranab mukherjee is bugged by Shanti Bhushan’s presence alongside of him on the drafting committee.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Either way, Bengalis like Shaan make too much ’shor’, lekin kar te kuch nahin.

  • vijay Kumar

    Here is poem to celeberate the phone tapping Yuvraj and Yamraj are doing to their fellow congressis

    The UPA is on its last legs….
    The left hand does not trust the right .. :D
    Commission from all Digvinash begs
    And the Yuvraj does’nt seem bright !! :D :D

    Aisi sarkar ka kya fayada
    JO aantakwadi se darr jaye
    Woh sarkar chahiye hamein
    Jo LeT ki vaat lagaye…. :D
    .

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Aisi sarkar ka kya fayada
    JO khud aantakwadi ho jaye
    Woh sarkar chahiye hamein
    Jo LeT ki vaat lagaye….

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  • Mohan R

    Rahul Gandhi’s general knowledge.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdZ3VpBX_sM&feature=related

    By the way Dr. Swamy has questioned the legitimacy of Rahul Gandhi becoming PM of India
    as he is still holding Italian citizenship. Will Mr. Sharma or Prabhat l comment on this ?

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    shan Reply:

    @MohanR, Swami is talking utter bollocks, rahul cannot be a MP with an Italian passport, INDIA IS NOT A BANNANA REPUBLIC JUST YET

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Swami claims that he carries two passports.

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    shan Reply:

    Then Yuvraj will end up in jail.ACCORDING TO INDIAN LAW YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO PASSPORTS , IF THAT WERE THE CASE I WOULD HAVE HAD BRITISH PASSPORT LONG LONG TIME AGO.
    makes travel so much easy

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Anything is possible in India…For e.g.
    http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=4364

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, but yuvraj is such a high profile case, virtually impossible , then fact is stranger than fiction. Though if he doesn’t declare and keeps it as a spare , then there is no way of knowing, I dont think GOI can force this information out from the italians at least legally.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Swamy is a nut case– the more like him will only help comgress

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Gopi,
    Didn’t Swamy expose Sonia’s fake cambridge education?

    Is he not the one who has been in forefront of exposing 2G scam accused?

    You can call him maverick but calling him nutcase is Digvijayish.

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Shaan,

    you said, “REMEMBER “Ask not what your country can do for you , ask what you can do for your country”
    Minimal would be to eat together with a dalit in your house”

    Here is what Digvinash Singh will say, if he hears what Kennedy once asked his countrymen to remember.

    “do not ask what I can do for the country.
    ask what I have done for the terrorists
    ask what I have done for the scamsters
    ask how I have destroyed the morale of the armed forces
    ask how I have served the dynasty”.

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  • Raju Kurien

    Rahul, whether we like or not, will become the PM if UPA gets majority in the next election, unless a dominant regional party goes into the alliance with a priori claim on the PMship (which is eminently possible, considering the weakness of Congress all over and the strength of parties like Trinmool, AIDMK etc) . .

    The disarray in BJP, and to be blunt, an overfat Gadkari, will make it easier for Congress. A ripe opportunity will be wasted. So, do not blame Congress for milking opportunities.

    Modi should go national. Gujrat and Bihar should be communicated. Leaders who can relate to people (Shan mentioned Rahul’s good looks; it is definitely a factor) should be put in the front – no Advani, no Gadkri, yes Sushama, …

    Focus on Bihar model alliance – coopting sideline parties in Karnataka, alliance with Amma in Tamil Nadu, a level of understanding with the leftists (politics has strange bedfellows) in Kerala will deliver 80% of the parliamentary seats in those states to the alliance. Andhra is a money cesspool, Jagan Reddy is corrupt to the core (we all allow this knowingly! the man has declared an asset of 400 or so crores in the nomination filing paper this year; three years ago it was only 4 or 5 crores!) . So, Andhra can be a wait and see game. Bihar, Rajstan, MP, Gujrat, Maharashtra, UK, possible carving of UP groups

    There is still time; but not much. It looks like BJP leadership is also on Congress payroll!

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Raju

    I have doubts. yuvraj may get a fit of nerves. Digvinash may take over. bad scene coming up

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Rahul Gandhi will turn out to be a disaster just like his father controlled by corrupt elements. Frankly speaking, I want him to become PM now…It will be great fun.

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  • Mohan R

    Guys,

    Read the link below and notice that none of leading securlar media has reported this.
    And compare this with nityananada case.

    http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/1/2011061720110617000536674dbafda0d/Pastor%E2%80%99s-wife-accuses-him-of-sexual-abuse-of-minor-girls-.html

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mohan,
    Don’t be surprised. Same thing happened in Sister Abhaya case.

    And let us not forget christian terrorism in NE and maoist areas.

    The christians are above all suspicion as Congress beleives in religion of Sonia and has been pitting Muslims against Hindus so that christians can rule this country by proxy.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    @ Everyone;
    Christian missionaries are not such a big threat as I am seeing, many christians, have faith in India. It is islamic jehadist and supremacy which is bothersome and require immediate attention.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    There has been an expose about Finance Ministry especially Pranab being bugged.

    I totally agree with UPA government’s and IB’s chewing gum theory. Rahul Gandhi has access to all the ministries including Finance ministry. He may have left chewed chewing gum over there.
    Perfect explanation.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev

    Arre dont say Rahul should become the PM so that he is exposed as an incompetent. In the end it is us Indians who will suffer.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Indians is qabil hein..Hazaar saal joote khaye phir bhi ghulami nahi gayi…

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    You seem reasonably inteligent. So why is it that among 1,20000000000 Indians you feel only Rahul can become the Prime minister.?

    I think dynastic Succession smacks of a losers attitude. Of a castist mentality that ” woh mai baap hai… who raja hai… unka khoon blue hai… humko unka feet chatna chahiye…. ” :D

    Look at these countries which are considered much lesser democracies or just dictatorships. Even they reject family rule.

    Here is a special poem for you and Vinod Sharmaji who was building up the case for dynstic succession on CNN IBN 2 days back

    Dictatorship Libya rejects the Gadaffi children
    you want India to say yeah Rahul yeah :D

    lesser democracy Egypt kicks Mubarak’s sons
    You say kewal Rahul hai pyaara “D

    Small Phillipines says marcos khandaan nahi chahiye
    You say kewal Nehru Khandaan hai dularaa :D

    Ab Bharat banega North Korea
    jahan Khandaani raaj chalta rahega :D
    Kyaa ajooba desh hoga
    Jahan neta Rahul Hoga … :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Nice one. Aap to faiz ke bhi baap nikle..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Where did I say only Rahul will become PM?

    More than I or Rahul, you are obsessed with Rahul’s Prime Ministership.

    I never raised objections when MMS became PM.

    And I will not raise objections even if “L K GANDHI” ( converted L K ADVANI ) becomes PM.

    It is just that L K is not even giving me that opportunity. He has kept me on perpertual wait for that moment !

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You are right. I have never heard Vinod saying that Rahul should be PM.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    I am NOT obsessed with Rahul. I would be perfectly happy in cse he kept running backops engineering with Milind deora. Or worked as a seva dal worker.

    However when the Congress is gearing itself to place him on the PM’s chair I have a reason to be worried. I would want to know his credentials beyond khaandani worship.

    Unfortunately your praise for Rahul smacks of an inferioirty complex found in fuedal kingdoms. Or do you also have a hidden reason like Digvinash Singh :D ,

    Cmon Prabhat… see the light. Falling at the families feet is whatt Saudia pracitces. Why do ou want India to do this??? :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Please do not try your standard phrase on me. I always debate from the position of strength, never sulk or cry or beg…

    So your little, sweet “inferiority complex” argument does not rattle me.

    Find something little more potent.

  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    No need to go far. Nepal and Bhutan, absolute monarchies have opted for democracy in real sense and here, India, which should be a torch bearer for real democracy, is showing signs that only one family can rule India? What a travesty of truth and democracy. So called enlightened people are showing their fear of change. Well, Nitish, Narendra modi,Shiv Raj singh Chauhan, Mamta Banerjee, Naveen Patnaik, Chandra babu Naidu are son of soil and a great deal better chief ministers, than so many Congress and their allies. Rahul gandhi, PM of India, should be observed as a day of National mourning.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Pankaj

    The truth is coming out. even in this bogus internet survey, narendra modi beat Rahul.

    we once taught democracy to the world. In case we go back to a single family for a PM… well will have to learn from nepal.

    Except for NDTV which views Rahl as the saviour for India, even pro Congress channels would find supporting his candida ture embarrasing. HT of course would probably go the whole hog with the COngress. :D

    As for me, even if Rahul was Einstein, I would as a matter of principle want someone from some other family :D

    Of course Rahul is no einstein. But maybe more of an innocent being fed lies by his chamachas that India is sinking and only he has the abilities ot save it…

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    greetings to all from Ithaca in Ionian sea- mainsail jammed, awaiting repairs. Great sailing before that, winds of upto 18 knots.
    Best wishes to Rajiv with I, Shenoy, Balwinder (hope surgery went ok). Vijay, Raju, Benoy , Dr Pankaj and Shah Alam and BNA, Mohan, Ashish Vinay
    and of course Vinod Sharma- how about sailing with me and doing political debates every night on Tavernas- different island each day

    Guys, try sailing veryy addictive and easy on us oldies

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mishra with A,
    Irrelevant post…This is not Chai ki dukaan.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    greetings also to Prabhat, Rizwan. and all others. India has a massive coastline- start investing in sailing infra structure – pontoons, marinas, etc and reap hundreds of crores, generate jobs etc

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Dr Mishra

    thank you for your greetings.

    My coastal belt is too rough…I am not sure if sailing sport could be a viable option on east india coastal belt !

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I think it will be great idea to rent the boats from Mishra with I’s place to guard Indian coastline.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji,
    will not mind. Why do not you take a trip to farther west. You train me, and we can sail. Though, sea has become a formidable thing for me now, but, if goaded enough, I can still tackel it.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Mishra,
    Ya share any interesting experiences on your sailing trip. I intend to visit the countries in the adriatic , croatia etc.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    Sorry for copying your Chaupai…

    Aisi sarkar ka kya fayada
    JO khud aantakwadi ho jaye
    ye vo sarkaar hai jo LeT ke saath dance kare
    jo LeT ko clean chit de…
    humein Woh sarkar chahiye
    Jo LeT ko expose kare..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    absolutely right. The dunce of a crown prince almost gave a clean chit to LeT while Yamraj Digvinash praises it all the time…

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  • Rajiv

    Rahul as PM will be a disaster, irrespective of what he does, because he will lack legitimacy in the eyes of those who will think ( and legitimitely so ) that he has got it for dynastic reasons.

    In democracy , power comes from legitimacy and not from the gun.

    If Rahul becomes CM fo some state form 5 years, then a cabinet minister for a few years and then if he becomes PM , he would have a better chance, otherwise he would be a disaster as a PM as he will be viewed as an imposter and usurp-er.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajiv

    Many actors/directors have pushed their children to be actor. A very few survived.

    I doubt if a rahul Mahajan can be as effective a leader as Pramod !

    I am not even sure about Sandeep Dixit, son of Sheila Dixit.

    Ajit Singh is no where in the league of his father.

    Omar is doing fine. So is scindia.

    Mrs gandhi became a rage and surprised everybody with her determination – after all politicians used to ridicule her as “gungi gudia” !

    Sonia has not done badly after reluctantly accepting the mantle.

    Unlike many other star sons, Rahul is cool headed.

    If he drives down a restaurant , split the bill and pay his part; it speaks a lot about his character.

    If he travels more than 8500 km ( a little more than L K Advani ), it shows his willingness to go through the grind.

    If he travels with a group of friends, gets hurt and yet does not assert his identity to get urgent medical attention, it shows his humbleness.

    If he appoints a former CEC’s NGO to conduct the whole election process rigorously in Youth Congress, it shows he is aware of the maladies in his own party.

    If he travels all over the country and enthuses youngsters to join politics, it shows he has a vision for this country.

    If he maintains cool on being hit with abuses by his detractors, it shows he has attained the maturity.

    Rahul asserts his political position very sparingly. Last I remember he asserted his position when he said Omar should be give a chance in spite of the problems in Kashmir. And it sent the right message down. Things cooled down quickly.

    I do not care if he becomes PM or not. But he is on the right track. Infact by exposing his presence all over the country, he has lost bit of that wow factor that Gandhis usually have.

    If he can transform Congress as a modern political party then I guess he would achieve a lot as a politician and a leader.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Please raed -

    If he drives down to a restaurant with a group of friends, split the bill and pay his part; it speaks a lot about his character.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    this essay of yours is an artful exercise in self deception, because nobody here is going to be fooled by your disclaimer, ” I DO NOT CARE WHETHER HE BECOMES PRIME MINISTER OR NOT”. After seeing so many virtues, some of them non-existent, still you do do not care? What kind of a chela are you of the yuvraj?

    The NHRC has come out with its report on Bhatta Parasall. Rahul Baba’s loud assertions about the rape of women and murders, 70′x70′ kabrastans, all have, as was only to be expected, been exposed to be utterly false and imaginary.

    By the way, you didn’t add the quality of the Amul Baby having a fertile imagination to your list of “leadership qualities” which you saw in him! You also forgot about the youth force he built up in Bihar, Tamilnadu, Puduchery, and Kerala where all his hand-picked candidates lost their deposits. Perhaps with the gush of words in praise of him you lost your own touch with reality.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Stop pulling those fast ones on me.

    Have you forgotten you admitting you being ” the Life time Ice cream Lickers of Senior BJP Leaders” on this blog itself ?

    Get real you cry baby, sulking old man ! I am too headstrong to be anybody’s chela.

    Argue without being personal with me.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    You rewrite a lots of poetry on this blog..

    I have no issue if you rewrite the same essay by replacing Rahul’s name with any of your chosen leader from BJP, but keeping the basic structure and framework intact.

  • http://- Rajeev

    off topic-
    Unbelievable hatred against Ahmediyas…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDV48iL99fs&feature=related

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  • vijay kumar

    Prabhat .. o Prabhat…

    R U also trying for a rajya Sabha seat like u know who?//? :D :D

    The very fact Rahul is from the Nehru family should be a disqualification in terms of democracy. Out of 63 years of our republic, a Nehru-Gandy has been at the helm for 38. Frankly the years without the nehru khandaan have been the best years.

    As Rajiv suggested above, rahul should first serve in a state maybe then as a junior minister at the centre and prove his mettle. Then 20 years later if the people of India wish he could pitch himself for the PM’s seat. :D

    Furtheron what he has done in the Congress is only because of the power he yielded because of of his mother and father. If you deny this, then why dont you and Vinod Sharma join the Congress and do the things Rahul did??/ :D :D

    Prabhat frankly family worship is an inferiority complex. Why dont you then worship Varun Gandhi and Menaka too. Remember in 1981 your former editor Khushwant Singh wanted us to transfer our family loyalties to menaka :D :D

    As a child of 8 I remember reading the hindustan Times and asking mu father “yeh CIA agent kya hota hai…?”

    Well once indira gandhi had wanted Rajiv to get India instead of an outsider, she had called Menaka a CIA agent. The entire pack of wolves in the Congress and the media including the hindustan Times had pounced on her for being a “plant by a foreign power” !!!!! :D :D

    This is what Digvinash and the HIndustan Times doing today too… !!

    You have just fallen victim to propoganda of becoming a family naukar and singing priases of the malik !! :D

    banish the complex Prabhat Ji !! And tell Vindji to do the same !!! :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You are being utter novice if you think CIA would not try anything like that to break the political hold of Gandhis. Remember how badly kissinger used to abuse Mrs Gandhi ?

    All the so called natural phenomenon of street agitations in Arab countries have been traced to deliberate planting of American NGO’s. The Americans are gloating over their long term vision and “investment in NGO’s” in Arab countries.

    Surprisingly, since you have mentioned it, Varun Gandhi is one of fastest rising star in BJP overshadowing many of his contemporaries and seniors. Is a Gandhi first among equals?

    Now, that’s a compelling reason for L K Advani change his name to L K Gandhi !

    If I like Mukesh Ambani or Ratan Tata not because they are sons of famous fathers, but for what they are.

    Rahul will fight or perish.

    If he wins, people will remember him for a long time. Else, he will vanish into oblivion.

    Somebody else will take his place. Nobody is indispensable.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @.. Prabhat

    So you actually beleive menaka was a CIA plant in the Mrs gandhi household !! hai Rabba… u really are innocent or a congressi nehru parvarwalla to the chaddi !! :D

    U mean Sanjay’s love affair and the fact Mrs Gandhi almost made him the PM– a quest which ended becasu of a plane crash– too was a CIA plot???? :D

    And dnot compare Ambanis with Rahul. Ambani is playing on his father’s wealth. While rahul is being given charge of OUR India. Including your life an d mine. You cannot impose family rule on a democracy my friend.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Mine and your life have survived many pathetic Prime Ministers’ tenure in this country. Don’t worry about that.

    Inspite of your constant engagement with issues, you tend to use too simplistic and rudimentary metrics to analyse complex situations. And world of CIA is beyond such simplistic judgements and interpretations.

    If you are so against Gandhis, then find a strong political leader to defeat them politically.

    The present BJP leader L K Advani is not good enough. Though I can not predict the outcome if he converts to L K Gandhi.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    We may have survived a IK gujral and a Gowda…. but why add another to the list.

    This is not 1980 when lies about the dynastic right to rule can be sold to the Indian public. With a 1000 TV channels and multiplicity of media, a blundering, bumbling Rahul would become another Zardari.

    he would wipe out all the residual affection the Indian public has for the nehru Parivar in three months.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    If you genuinely believe 1000 TV channel will kill Rahul and his political aspirations, then why do you waste your precious time worrying about it ?

    Invest your time in finding and grooming the nemesis.

    shan Reply:

    Perhaps vijay would like to see someone from his haryana , the DEN OF CROOKS , some seedlings of BANSI LAL or TAU JI , or some LAL so that likes of him become MALAMAL

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    I have nothing against Rahul personally. In fact I would say let him enjoy his time at Rohit Bal’s resturaunt whenver he goes there.

    Though in my opinion Rohit Bal coming out of the closet with his two homosexual husbands fightin over him does look a little bizarre to me.

    However my point of contention is the claim to be the leader because of lineage.

    In fact Rahul should RENOUNCE his intention to the PM seat. Won’t it be great if says.
    ” Fellow Indians, in a democracy all of us have a right to aspire for all posts. My family has ruled over India for 37 years and I think it is not a good thing in a democracy that political parties should be family OWNED…. ” :D

    ‘Therefore I would never become the PM … but work in the COngress party for strengthen it democratically…”

    If he does this, this will immediately put a pressure on the Badlas, the Abdullahas, the reddy’s , The laloos…”

    I think Prabhat, you should ask Vinodji to write an article on this. A renoucement by Rahul for India’s good….

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Be a man !

    Fight for your right.

    Stop begging others to renounce so that you can get a chance.

    How low can your political willingness go down ?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    First of all I am let me clarify I am not from Haryana. I like to believe I am from India. I Just gave an example of Harayana to prove to you that things move fast here despite the corruption– which is record breaking in this Congress government. :D

    Tata wanted to build a factory in Bengal. The whole of Bengal stood up to drive it away as they did the rest of the industries, invoking Mao and Stalin and Naxalism. :D

    In contrast in Haryana, I am designing a BPO for a company. The challenge is to put it up in 22 months. 3000 people would be employed here. These 3000 would be giving employment to probably 10000 more when they get the purchasing power. Everyone would be smiling and happy.

    It is that simple ! :D

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay
    I do not know if you have lived in Bengal , but I have for 5 years during the early 80s when I was posted there. I had never been east beyond Varanasi and that was the first time when I was going there to join my new place of posting . I was woken up in the morning by cries of “Goram Singhara ” and “Siddo Dim’. My train had reached Burdwan.
    Calcutta is indeed unique in ways more than one. I have fond memories of Gariahat market , Flury’s , New Market , Calcutta Book Fair, Bar at every Cinema hall, Illish Maach and I can eat it like any Bengali would , Anarkali restaurant in Metro Gali, ( I am told it is now closed), Chiru’s shop next door to my house in Lake Garden . The city really grows on you.
    But Calcutta was also about “Bhatre Ghoom’ ( sleep induced by rice) at 10 in the morning, Cholbe Na Cholbe Na, Jindabad Jindabad. Calcutta Metro was delayed by decades as use of any heavy equipment was opposed because ” Maanush chakri kothay paabe”,. The first stretch from Esplanade to Tollygunge was opened just before I was transferred from there. Computers which Rojib Gandhi wanted to introduce were opposed by all because ‘Maanush Chakri kothay paabe”. I recall WB Govt had set up a WEBEL Electronics Indl Park at Taratolla which was shut down due to labour problems even before all units could open. The favourite subject each day and an hour was spent on it ” Dada aapni aajke maach koto korey kinechin”. And if you visited Victoria Memorial you were accosted and asked “Dada du taka deben,jol jhede debu”

    shan Reply:

    @vijay , perhaps you need to take a trip to salt lake in calcutta particularly sector 4 , IBM AND HOST OF OTHER MULTINATIONALS HAVE OPENED SHOP THERE, wakey wakey

  • Praveen Saxena

    It is sad that Pranab Mukerjee could never enjoy the trust of the Nehru/Gandhi family which he so steadfastly choses to serve. He was exiled for a long time by Rojib Gandhi when Pranab Dada made the mistake of mentioning that he was the senior most Minister , when Indira Gandhi fell to bullets , the price she paid for propping up and then killing Bhindranwale
    Now that Rojib’s widow is in power , he is again put under surveillance by his own government. And all this even though he is the one who takes care of all contentious policy and political issues . It is no secret that the PM is only permitted to write “I approve ” and affix his signatures.
    Poor Pranab Babu is now compelled to say ,that this age he chews chewing gum and sticks it all around his office. Strange and could be just co-incidental but the Nehru/Gandhis were always wary of Bengalis. Nehru’s camp followers always derided Subhash Chandra Bose.

    So Vijay …Shaan se kaho ki us Prabhat ka intezaar hai jab Pranab Babu gets back his rightful place , respect and trust.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    By spying on Pranab the rahul , Sonia, Digvinash coterie has shown it is insecure that he may be undertaking some measure to check out their foreign accounts.

    MARK MY WORDS ! THIS IS THE BLATANT TRUTH…… :D

    And furhter on Digvinash Singh with his divide and rule plans has managed to divide the Congress between Rahul chamchas and the more honest MMS and Pranabda.

    I think the government could collapse in case Pranabda managed to talk about Mr Q’s accoutns on the phone somwhere.

    Shamefully we also need to probe the 10 billion dollar deal of the Eurofighter, chosen agains the much superior F-22.

    Why??

    Maybe because MR Q still resides in Europe and so do many a cousin… :D

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Mr. Vijay

    That is what Dr. Subramaniam Swami said to-day. I am sure he must have some inside information, as he is not in the habit of speaking out of turn.
    BNA

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr. Anand,

    Dr. Subramanya Swamy is wrong on one aspect of the Amul Baby. He has said the baby holds two passports. Actually he has only one passport. The other is a failport. (valid only in Italy)

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    Not having any faith in Chidambaram’s Gestapo, Pronob Mukhopadhyay has ordered that renowned private detective Karamchand be hired to investigate chewing gum-gate. It fell to his private secretary’s lot to take the FM outside the room and whisper in his ears that Karamchand is a fictitious character and whereas we can hire suspicious characters, we cannot hire fictitious characters. So now ED is looking for a secret agent for some secret investigation.

    My own private channels are sending me SMS’s that

    a packet of lollypops have been found in the Amul Baby’s office, hidden in the pocket of his spare kurta.

    gift-wrapped Amul chocolates have been found in Manmohan Singh’s achkhan pocket, and he believes that it could only have been sent by the Amul Baby himself, calling for truce.

    at least three gift-packed Amul butter slabs were found outside the gates of 10 Janpath and they have been suspected to have been placed there by Digvinash Singh, Khali Kapal Sibal and Monish Tiwari.

    Rolls of scotch tape were delivered at the offices of Digvinash Singh and Khali Kapal Sibal, with clear instructions from Herr Fuehrer herself to be seen only with the tape firmly in place.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    Pronob Mukhopadhyay has no faith in Chidambaram’s Gestapo and has asked his private secretary to entrust the investigation into the chewing gum-gate to carrot-munching Karamchand, the famousdetective. His PA had to drag the FM outside the room and whisper in his ears that Karamchand is a fictitious character and whereas the ministry can hire suspicious characters, fictitious characters are strictly OUT. Now the ED has been asked to hire a good PD.

    My private sources in Delhi are sending me SMS’s about some strange findings:

    a packet of lollypops were found in the pocket fo Amul Baby’s spare kurta kept in his office. The name of one Prabhat is being whispered by sevadal workers as the source.

    Gift-packed Amul chocolates were found in the inside pocket of Manmohan Singh’s blue bandhgala and he suspects that it could only be the Amul Baby’s way of calling for truce.

    Two gift-wrapped packets of Amul butter were found outside the barbed wire gates of 10 Janpath and Digvinsh Singh and Kapil Sibal are suspected to be the source.

    Rolls of scotch tape were hand-delivered to the offices of these two ‘gentlemen’ with clear instructions that they would only be seen in public with the tape firmly in place.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    :D /// @ Shenoy

    become a script writer Shenoy

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  • Prabhat

    @ Vijay

    Some interesting news -

    Washington, June 23 (IANS) Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Arun Jaitley has defended his party’s stand on the India-US nuclear deal saying that now that ‘it was a done deal’ US firms should have no apprehensions about investing in India.

    ………..

    Jaitley also said there was ‘no substitute’ to engagement with Pakistan………
    ………………..

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vijay Kumar,

    Prabhat seems to suggest that KGB funds in the Swiss accounts of Rajiv Gandhi and family, including our dearest Amul Baby (a minor’s account, in fact) is kosher, it is halaal, but a CIA plant inside the Ghandy family? It is bilkul haraam, because CIA is a haraam khor agency.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Shenoy

    Daniel Patrick MOynihan in his book talks about the money he handed over to Indira Gandhi. The COngress never challenged it.

    An ex KGB operator also talked about the kickbacks given to the parivaar by the SOviet Union. If you talk about that you will hear shouts of Sangh Parivaar.. Sangh Parivar… ! :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Even Shenoy has supported how far CIA / KGB go to maintain their positions in geo-politics. I am sure you understand the games CIA/KGB play are complex.

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  • Mohan R

    Prabhat is ok with corrupt congress as long as they are not comunal. According to him
    congress is a secular party. Digvijaysing’s incidences of Karkare phone call , RSS ki szish,
    Batlawala house, Osamaji are not comunal. Rahul Gandhi’s claim of Hinduvta being
    more dangerous than LET is not comunal. Congress party being alliance with comunal
    party PDF in Kerala is not comunal.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I hate repeating.

    Please refer to my opinion on all the issues you have mentioned in past blog posts ( if you care to know ).

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    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , the bedrock of BJP support comes from HYPOCRITES like the ones you are dealing with.This is the BANIYA class , retrogressive , conservative , corrupt , joined at the hip in one and only one MUDDA , islam/pakistan bashing. When it comes to WOMEN’S EMANCIPATION they have Ram Sene , yet when it comes to boys they have THEIR YUVRAJ RAHULMAHAJAN
    cocaine , and late father and son enjoying the services og PAYAL ROHATGI

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  • vijay kumar

    @ MOhan

    This policy of stamping “communal or secular” is a joke !! Between you and me, it is just a ploy to drive a wedge between HIndus and Muslims … a vote gathering technique. :D

    The COngress and its supplicant media will stamp Gopinath Munde as communal, but in case he were to join it… he becomes secular !!

    Smilarly for years, Sanjay Miraupam was communal as long as he was with the Shiv Sena… but the moment he joined the Congress, he is given the secular stamp… as in a post office !! :D

    Osamaji of coure is the brandambassador of secular talk!! And Digvinash Singh the sin doctor of Congress secular theories and 26/11 and RSS ki saazish./// :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    the most secular Digvinash Singh has persuaded the president of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Hind to give a statement attacking Anna Hazare, so that the message would go out to all Muslims in India NOT to go anywhere near Anna or his group. Now all seculars too would follow suit and say Anna is communal!

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    The game would be over soon. When Digvinash and Amul baby are caught for phone tapping.
    Then Pranabda could well be given the “communal” stamp… while Digvinash would be the ISI (pakistan ISI) marked secular …..

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Should Rahul be the PM? Assuming he is an Indian (several questions have come up regarding this in this blog), there is nothing preventing from him becoming a PM as long as his party has the majority and his party puts forward him as their leader.

    What are the existing and emerging issues he will have to deal with if/when he becomes the PM?

    - Neighbourhood. 75% of Pakistanis have an unfavourable view of India; with 60% believing India is the largest threat they face (not the internal suicide bombings, not jailing people on blasphemy laws, not parading women naked for the crimes of their sons, not adjudicated killings, not Haquani Talibans,,,,FIGURE It OUT). Digvijays solution will be to secede full india to Pak so we are all bhai bhai.
    Pak situation is going to be more explosive wWith US drawing down in Afghanistan. US presence in Pak to spy on terrorist networks is curtaioled significantly by the angry and humiliated pak army. The danger of nukes falling into the hands of angry men to destroy india is real. The timeframe for that, under the current trajectory (Mehran for example) is not far away.

    - Internal corruption – Rahul potentially can cleanse a lot; he is unencumbered by any scandal 9let us not attribute the family sin on him), look like the youth will give him an opportunity. But will he do it? Will congress allow him to do it. He will cease to be the PM if he does anything serious here. (by the way, one obscure geologist in an obscure state government department here in Kerala, has been arrested for amassing 100 plus crores worth property in the last eight years….everything to do with sand “permits” ..just imagine how many billions aand zillions some must have made in “real’ mining elsewhere in India!)

    - economic growth to support growing young population – With Western economies at standstill or decline; with Chinese growth decelerating, with the bailouts of Greece, and may be Portugal and Spain, with a potential “second’ recession in US (they are talking about a “double dip”), can Rahul be the PM to steer through these clouds?

    - Aspirations – People all across India accepted Indira Gandhi as their leader; one who will fulfill their aspirations (another aanniversary of her crackdown on democracy is being comemmorated this week). Can Rahul represnt the masses, can he touch them — The maidans were 60% empty when he came here in kerala for campaigning for the asssembly elections; made stupid remarks and got branded as “Amul baby” by the respected CM Achuthanadan.

    - Law and order/Administration – Can Rahul pull the elaborate and corrupt administrative machinery? does he have any adm experience? Was he a capable CM who led the state in growth, maintained law/order/ Did he run a large charity? Corporation?

    India is at a real cross roads after 65 years of independence. We have grown and matured in many areas (we could have been a Pakistan!) We are sought after in “world clubs’. our economy is growing, could have grown further, had Indira Gandhi not pursued the disstrous policies. Our laws are still leftover from british, our beuareayucracy another left over that have been made worse. Some intitutions have to be scrapped, others strengthened. A national debate on what type of democrtacy is the right one for India has to happen – should it be the presidential system aka US? Can we have these unlimited number of political parties always driving a bargain? Should we have population based number of Lok Sabha seats or fixed number for the country (like the house of representatives in US)?

    Who can lead India to the next palteau? A disinterested (forget unqualified) leader of a party who does not have any agenda other than appeasing and cultivating differnt vote blocks will only take India backwards, to a situation before Rao – anemic growth, substandard living

    Shouldnt India have good roads? Shouldnt people achieve prosperity within the limits of their capabilities and contributions? shouldnt every one of our children be educated and literate? shouldnt our farmers make a decent living?

    Modi is the man for the moment. His blemishes pale in comparison with his strengths. He can handle the challenges facing us;
    - maintaining and exceeding current economic growth, and making the growth inclusive
    - a strong defense posture; offensive and defensive
    - law and order
    - modernization
    -national well being, minimal governmental corruption

    Obviously congress will start the usual “what about the 800 Muslims killed”? Time for Modito be the man and deal with it heads on and take his party and rejuvenate it,.
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    S Singh Reply:

    What abt Chadra Babu naidu?

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    L Mirza Reply:

    Chandra Babu Naidu built the modern Hyderabad. However, the allegation that he did not care about the rural segment stuck with the electorate, especially with the charismatic YSR leading the congress. His TDP is not in a good condition now. Neither Congress’. Jagan, YSR’s son will be able to get a good number of MPs elected. Chandra Babu, for whatever reason, has been lying low. So, it is unlikely he can become PM. However, he should be considered for senior ministership – Industries, Infrastructure etc . His immense talent should be used to build the new India

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    if Modi is the preferred choice, then what will happened to Advani ?

    Will Advani be on perpetual wait ?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Prabhat

    Well, Advain should b given a good send-off party. 65% of the population will be below 30 in 10 yrs!

    Modi cannot remain modest anymore.

    Time to pack off all the useless from that party; Modi has to do the building now; otherwise we will be talking about Rahul for ever – potential PM, failing PM, failing ad conyiuig PM, Robert as the king behind the throne, Pryamka as the congress President………….

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Good thought.

    L Mirza Reply:

    It is wrong to assume Modi cannot win Muslims over to his side. Modi was an indirect factor in Bihar; Muslims voted for that coalition big time.

    All people, including Muslims, want to look forward – better life for them even better life for their children. Modi should articulate how he uplifted Gujrat’s standard of living; how he can replicate it the country over. He can also be an inspiration for many – a poor man who rose up, and a person who gave everything to the country (instead of family). he should hire a good “packagist”.

    Many Muslims will side with him as long as he focuses on development and inclusive growth and not on rath yatra, etc

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Praveen

    I too have fond memories of calcutta which had become Kolkatta in the few months I spent there in 2000. Somehwere I do feel that it was a different world, something like a school student bunking classes :D

    I think basically the Bengali so called “intellectuals” had outsourced thier brains. Whatever happened in India was expoitative. What happened in China was real industry. That sort of bull.

    So when China got its huge foreign investments, they all applauded as a victory of the Chinese system. When India was getting it, it was seen as imperial capital coming to destroy India. The eductated classes were getting restless then, seeing Bangleru march past Bengal :D

    Hope things change now. But to change the mindset and workculture would require a real shakeup.

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    rajiv Reply:

    @Vijay,
    The attitude you have described is typical of a communist party propogandist in Bengal. However, most of Bengal is not that as also recent elections have shown. I am punjabi, who grew up in Bengal, so have relevent experience.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    frankly I hope things change since I still savour thee Bengali food and have good friends there.

    The problem was Bengal was never impressed by entrepreneurship. Social action was what caught the imagination the Bengali engineers werre the finest analytical brains I have come across. Many lamented the closure of all industrial units around Calcutta.

    But…

    when it came to commercial dealings, they were looked down. Paisa was not to be made. Profits were bad and so on. Surprisingly there were all interested in working for multinationals, yet the left parties would not allow Indian companies to flourish. sad that they created such poverty because of poverty of thier own thought process.

    Funnily before I lived there, they had been a left front morcha in support of nuclear tests conducted by North Korea in defiance of the US. yet when India conducted the nuclear test there was a morcha against it.

    basically there was an inferiorty complex as compared to communist nations…

    while the elite still believed that Nirad babu was their guy their inspiration…

    bengal needs more sunrot Roys and Pronnoys who can work as role models…

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay THE MUG, you can disagree with Nirad Choudhuri which I do on many of his assumptions and sweeping generalisations. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBTING HIS MASSIVE INTELLECT AND HIS REACH ON WORLD HISTORY AND LITERATURE
    naipaul said about his first book “One great book to come out of the indo british encounter”
    He had studied french history FROM ORIGINAL SOURCES IN FRENCH.
    He was INDIA’S FIRST MILITARY HISTORIAN when he undertook a ethnologicalstudy of Indian Army. that seminal work is quoted by people working on PHD on indian military affairs.
    perhaps he was the oldest author in world history to have penned a book at 95yrs og age ,
    The three horsemen of the apocalyse.
    ALSO HE IS A SANSKRIT SCHOLAR
    When advani went to see him in oxford he derided him by saying “WHAT KIND OF HINDU IS HE , DOESN’T KNOW SANSKRIT”
    He is the person WHO DIDN’T MINCE HIS WORD(a singularly bengali trait)
    Thus he dedicated his first book with these words
    “To the british empire , who made shaped and quickened , all that was good and living in us ,
    but who conferred subjecthood on us but withheld citizenship”
    The same person described the current situation of England as
    A syphilis , not just a natural process of growing old

    Boys should not speak about MEN

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Vijay,
    The duplicity of the communists knows no bounds. They would give their lives to defend China’s right to have nuclear weapons and denounce India’s right to have for our defense.
    Unfortunately, the communists came to be identified with Bengal.

    shan Reply:

    if bengalis come to be identified awith communist , then punjabis can be identified with CROOKERY,win chaddha ,nanda grandsons the list is endless , but both are not true only SQUARES AND CABBAGES will come to that conclusion.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Dont get shrill baby Shan. we are not attacking Bengal or anything. Just analysing how to make things better.

    As for nirad Choudhari… I am convinced he was the guy who wanted to give Indians an inferioirty complex and managed to it with some (not all ) Bengalis.

    If for example you believe as he said, that england is now syphillis, the shan, what made you go there????

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    There were many authors I read in calcutta during that period. Some of them had a similar nirad Chaudhari type inferioirty complex– at least the ones who hd migrated to UK. Like Sasthi brata, Dilip Mukherjea….

    thir basic game was to migrate and write lurid stories on the poverty of the Indian native and why it could never be cured because of a fundamantel defect in India and Hinduism. So to balance the good work of Amitav Ghosh I also read the cr-ap of nirad and Bratha. :D

    shan Reply:

    @Vijay the MUG, the same abuse was hurled at SATYAJIT RAY , that he showed poverty to get acclaim from western critics. Utpal Dutt called one of them a COW. kurosawa however said
    “To have been born and not watched Ray’s film is like being born and not watched the rising and setting of sun and moon .It is safe to place you amongst the COWS

  • Praveen Saxena

    What do we make about the statements from the Congress party ? They have installed a PM and tell the country he is biggest Economist of India ( or probaly the world). They also say he is the most incorruptible PM of India. Then suddenly we hear the same people telling the country that Rahulg is all set to take over as PM . We ask have you started losing confidence in Sardarji ? Around the same we hear some Congressmen telling the country that Priyankag should be brought into politics. We ask have you started losing confidence in Rahulg?
    We see the govt spying on its own Finance Minister and when caught, it tells us it was harmless chewing gum. The Senior Party functionary who plays nanny to the would be PM , also played political Guru to the Finance Minister that he staked his entire political career when he went to the airport. The same Party functionary warns Anna Hazare today that if he goes on fast again he shall be dealt in the same manner as Baba Ramdev. We ask does he also lay down govt policy.

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    Binoy Hegde Reply:

    We can go on as they say “until the cow comes home”…. What are Indian citizens going to do about it?

    Party leaders (such as republican party chairman, democratic party chairman etc) here in US do not have any power over elected representatives, governors etc because reps get elected through the primary process; not thru pary nomination.

    These unelected and unelectable scoundrels like Digvijay will have larger than life power as long as the Indian system remains like the British parliamentary system with party nominees and not peoples nominees..

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    shan Reply:

    @Binoy Hegde , a little correction , In british system the LOCAL party organisation sends a list or a preferred candidate , perhaps after a voting by the party members. The central office “screens” it mostly if there is anything that will cause embarrasment to the party at large. Time to time IT DOES IMPOSE candidates with disastrous consequence , like putting up a BLACK candidate in a ALL white constituency (EXACTLY LIKE USA).
    So it is not like india , once in power THE PARTY HAS NO ROLE IN GOVERNANCE , if the MP’s dont like the direction the GOVT is going , they can ask for a MEETING and vote out the PM as their leader. as they booted out maggie Thatcher, PARTY HAS NO CONTROL ON THESE MATTERS

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    going forward from 2G to 3G. more corruption.

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~~ :D :D ~~ BREAKING NEWS…!! TONS OF CHEWING GUM SOLD AT AICC OFICES !! ~~ :D :D ~~

    The Congress seva dal workers have been instructed to chew gum all day to show the people of India that chewing gum is found all over India. That the gum found in prnabda’s office was what is littered all around….

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    Digvijay says that he never said that Anna will meet the same treatment, what Ramdev met? Huh? The man is not even trying to hide his glee for the lathi charge on people, asking for accountability and corruption free society???. Who he is? direct descendent of rulers of yore, head of kabza group, nanny to fledglings of Nehru dynasty???. This man knows in heart of his heart, that he is past many years of use by date on the shelf. He is no longer representative of people, has entered throgh the cracks in power structure and flourishing like termite and or cockroach. People should device ways, where this man is taken care of in true sense. Under the garb of secularism, he is the worst communalist, seen after Arjun singh. Would like to exchange views with people, who would like to defend him. Come on. This abominity, which goes by name Digvijay singh, has taken his name literally, while he can not win his constituency any where in India. Should be awarded with title of Burden of India.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Digvijay Singh is the defacto PM of India. He takes orders only from Mom-and-Son.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    If he is defacto PM of India, even God can not help India.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Pankaj

    IF…a BIG IF…

    That gives us a huge opportunity to speculate !

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    burden of India, a good title, but A.B.Bardhan of the CPI may take serious objection to it.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Bharat burden … good one.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    I believe Ramdev left for Russia and Mexico recently to conduct Yoga camps.

    The break away will do good to him.

    The astrologers ( on tv ) said next 18 months are not good for Ramdev.

    They further said that Ramdev failed in his recent “reality show” because of Rahu in his horoscope.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “They further said that Ramdev failed in his recent “reality show” because of RahuL in his horoscope.”

    This seems more apt.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Looks like Ramdev did not do reality check on his stamina and horoscope !

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    I agree with you on this. I think Ramdev was being played by congress to fracture Anna’s civil society but the whole move backfired and the result was that both Congress and Ramdev were embarrassed.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I have explained to you before that Ramdev and Congress can not be on the same page.
    If you keep repeating the same thing again and again , I can not help.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rahul may yet prove to be the Rahu for the congress government.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Prabhat;
    Ramdev succeeding in Mexico and Russia? Rahul may , or certainly, not suceed even in Italy.
    Could not understan, that why you are defending dynasty. As an entrepreneur you should strive for a corruption free society. But , I find you here, constantly defending dynasty and making fun of Advani ad nauseum. This is worse than a staus quoist.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    As an entrepreneur, I see the possible highs and the next inflex points when everybody is worried about the lows and distinctly see the possible lows, when others are drunk with the success of highs.

    The new team of congress since 2004 has more or less been on the right track with clear intent to delink from the maladies of the past and willingness to take the country forward.

    The team has worked marvelously with a remarkable team bonding and peer respect. While Sonia has handled the political end with a cocksure authority, MMS has brought in “processes” into the Governance with his vast administrative experience.

    This was evident in UPA 1.

    Sonia has deliberately allowed the Ministers the political space UPA 2. Though it has created some chaos, I believe this will help Congress evolve as a better political party in future.

    Some people have not used this freedom in right spirit. Hence, while the majority in the Govt. are busy in Nation building effort, a few ministers have gone for their personal gains. It’s not surprising. Even in a family all children do not use the freedom given by parents in appropriate manner. Few go ashtray.

    These few ( or was it just A Raja ? ) ministers have brought a bad name to this Govt. and has overshadowed this Government’s good work.

    So allowing Supreme Court to monitor the case directly or agreeing to Anna’s movement on corruption are opportunities for the top echelon of this Govt. to clean up this malady that has sieged the Govt. Infact, This could be a clever strategy by the Congress to clean up the mess. If done clinically, congress and the Govt. can bounce back in next one year by moving forward with their developmental policies.

    I do not care about dynasties. If Rahul is good, let him take aim at the top slot like everybodyelse. Let him fight it out or perish.

    If somebody is more capable, even outside congress, let him come up with a grand plan and topple congress from the power. After all, Mamta could topple the mighty communists after their 34 years of record rule ! Mamta was consistent in her effort. She did not divide Bengal on religeous lines or set the state on fire, yet managed to topple the communist Govt..May be we need leaders of that calibre to topple congress out of power !

    I am appalled by Advani for the reason that he set the whole country afire for his personal petty gains. Still I do not abuse him. Though I might have tried to use sarcasm to rip his mask off. He has brought everything to the street level. A petty man will remain petty for ever. He has helped develop this culture of abuses. Today abuses have become part of our National psych.

    Yes, I would rather bet on the present leadership of Congress to take the country forward.

    I do not have better options.

  • Rajiv

    @Vijay,
    A bengali friend of mind, Sajal Mandal, once commented that many of his friends are too eager to mention achivements and talents of fellow Bengalis like Rabindranath Tagore or S Ray or Bankim Chandra etc, but fail to realize that what does that have to do with their own capabilities and talents ? Zero. Nada. People who do so , mostly reflect their own hollownes.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    I think Bengal needs to come out of th joint family headed by the late Jyoti basu model and join the fun of Industrial and IT development. A population density of 1000 plus can never sustain on farming. You cant even grow enough for yourself.

    Anywsay what is the view in the US on all this scam things of india? Is it being seen that India is weakening or getting stronger?

    we have already made a mess of revelations in the Healdey trials. Instead the foreign secretary talks are being held. Thie secreatry call 26/11 dossiers historical literature.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajiv the nara baaz, the intakes to CSIR lab has 25% of them from WESt BENGAL
    If you are talking about me , my posts are ample proof of the SOLIDITY of my stand

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    Rajiv Reply:

    I understand my efforts to defend Bengalis in general cannot survive the conduct , disposition and mannerisms ( or lack of it ) of Shan.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    no body here has offended intellect of Bengalis. What they are talking here is entrepreneurship, creation of wealth. I do not remember of any big enterprise, Owned by Bengalis. Some medium size companies like, Dabar, Boroline cream(actually a cottage industry) or peerless type pyramid scheme. Much despised marwaris are responsible for what ever wealth, Bengal can claim. Bengal had Intellect, ( because of being colonized first, in India, hence got exposure to western thoughts) and I know the pioneers of bengal renaissance. Not as thoroughly as you should, but has a fairly good idea about them. Just to lighten this, Bengal had culture, when rest of India had only agriculture.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I did my M.B.B.S. with Chatterji and Das. Now my brother is better than Chatterji, no insuniation, here. Chatterji was a history and I knew Pakistanis swear by him, for their M. B. B. S. Do not dwell in past. Iif you still have Indian passport, tell me, how I can help India, or Bengal for that mtter. I am conversant with Calcutta at least, when I spent some time of my life at Aliganj.

    shan Reply:

    @pankaj check out a more recent and contemporary CHATTERJEE , search AMAZON for this book
    ANORECTAL MALFORMATION IN CHILDREN , by Prof Subir k Chatterjee, He heads an international panel on classification of anorectal anomalies. As for current , there are no dearth of luminaries,
    PROF Amartya sen is the ONLY NOBEL LAUREATTE IN ECONOMICS iNDIA HAS PRODUCED.
    There are two more of world stature , pranab bardhan of Berkley and the current economic adviser to pranab mukherjee Prof kaushik Basu Of Columbia

  • Rajiv

    I dont think there is any negative fallout on bilateral relations between India-US , from the scam-season in India. In healthy democracies these things are openly debated and solutions sought.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Now that NHRC has concluded that there were no rapes in Bhatta Parsaul, a case should be slapped on Rahul for instigating violence and riot against the state machinery.

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  • pankaj#1

    Prabhat;
    A balanced reply. I am happy that I am speaking to someone, who does not speak in extremes. I agree with you for almost, 3/4 of your reply, though Dayanidhi is coming out as bigger scamster than Raja. Few blogs back, I had raised this questin about balu and Dayanidhi. It was only, when shit hit the fan, during Raja’s time then, all the hell broke loose. Dayanidhi was in UPA-1, correct me, if I am wrong. In industry, they say, that when news come to paper, it is no news. New is much before that, and if UPA could not sense the wrong being done by Dayanidhi, then, it is either incompetent or in collusion. Both situation are shameful, I am all for UPA-1 minus these aberrations. I have had high hopes with UPA-1, but now skeletons are coming out of cubbords. UPA-02 is a disaster. Even one scam of this magintitude was enough to bring down a govenment in any civilized country and there are scams galore.
    As far as Advani is concerned, I am diametrically opposite to your view. Here we have a gentelman of heighest calibre. Except for MMS, I do not find any one, nearing him. With him, it is same game plan, of Modi, Modi, rape, rape. We will go there in next post. Having said this, I agree with many things you say, not all, and that is acceptable. I am all for ascension of India. Not Mother India, least you will say I am speaking, Sanghi language.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I always had a feeling Dayanidhi manipulated and favoured the GSM groups to grow. Infact, he took Mahajan’s line of work to the next level. He surely managed good money flow into his channel. Infact that was a major source of conflict between him and Karuna. Karuna bulldozed Dayanidhi with the threat to take over cable business by the Govt and also created an PSU to that effect. Ofcourse, they settled. There must have been trade off. Karunanidhi was always disappointed with his sons for not having business empire like Marans. So the desperate attempt to have his channel as big as Maran’s made him push Dayanidhi out and Raja in.

    I do wonder how does Karuna manages this money matter! Does he auction the ministerial post(s) before the Govt. is formed ? This way he would have his share and did not care how the Minister recouped his “investment” ! This is how the bureaucrat and police postings are done. So when somebody is caught taking bribe, the top guy does not come in the line of fire as he is not sharing the bribe money directly.

    I have great doubt if CBI can really nail kanimojhi with this 200 crore flow into kalangar channel.Once the hype dies down and true legal process takes over, CBI would be on a loosing wicket. But atleast this has sent the message down the line – which is good in a way.

    I have spoken enough about Advani and would not like to add more at this moment. You know my opinion about him. It stands same as before.

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  • pankaj#1

    Prabhat;
    I do see your fear. MMS and Montek are the people of global calibre. But, India does not stop here. We have other people too of that calibre, me, for instance. Ha. when, we are seeing, things going down the drain, with people like Diggi Raja, another Raja and all others, where India is going? It has potential, yes potential only at this point of time, to surpass China and many other countries, it is being shackled by the fictional chains, tieing the elephant, as you suggested few posts back. I am a global citizen and have travelled far and wide, I have an important position in a $ 500 million company, which is going to be a billion dollar company, in not a very distant future. It is not only money, but the kind of well being, we will bring to humanity, that is I am proud about. Do not underestimate your self or your fellow Indians. They can change the world.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I have personally interacted with Digvijay singh, long long time back. I can safely tell you this is his deliberate posture.To counter the shrills of BJP. And he is playing his role perfectly. As I have mentioned before, Sonia manages the political end. But Sonia, being decent in classical european mould and also a little defensive for being Italian born, can not match the tone and tenor of BJP’s street smart politicians. Hence Digvijay plays that vocal role. Check the chronology. Check the past records. You will find Digvijay being vocal only when BJP tries to be active. That’s why I call him as the first line of defence for congress.

    I understand and appreciate your concern for the wellbeing of the humanity and also can sense your pride for contributing your bit to that effect.

    I do agree India is not short of talent. Infact the young leaders surprise me with their vision and commitment.Like our cricket team, we too have a good bench strength in our young politicians and professionals.

    So I am quite bullish about India’s future.

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    shan Reply:

    only if the population can growth can be contained

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    rajiv Reply:

    @Prabhat
    So which shrills in BJP is Digvijay, who you say speaks for ‘moulded in classical eoropen mould, Sonia’ , is he countering ?
    I have to remember that phrase.
    Couldn’t stop laughing at the shameless description and defense of both Digvijay who is famous for communal statements and support to anti-nationals like LeT and Sonia.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajiv

    Laughter is good for health. Enjoy it.

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    Digvijay is ‘HAS BEEN’ and his role in Indian politics is that of a jester. Now that Laloo is out of national politics, Digvijay has replaced him in media. The only difference is that Digvijay clearly shows feudalistic criminal mindset.
    His support for LeT will become a big problem for him.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Looks like I have missed the part where DigVijay supported LET.

    Could you please give me the link of news or your source?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Are you not a congress insider? You must know his and Rahul’s sympathy for LeT.

    Try following Digvijay more carefully next time.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    You are yet to tell me your source !

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    I said that you being congress insider should know the source…Just a hint..Your Rahulji said something about LeT (wikileaks) and your Diggiji repeated same.
    Is that not the support for LeT?

    Are you still a peon in Congress office? Thodi chamchagiri karo..you can progress.

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    Another hint..Digvijay visited houses of IM terrorists. IM is connected to SIMI and SIMI to LeT…Any more proof.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Don’t give the hint. Come out with the statement.

    Quote the words that Digvajay said in support of LET.

    [ Polite request : don't abuse me. Just put your argument. ]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    What is the name of the IM Terrorist? And who does he link in SIMI and who in SIMI in turns link with LET ?

    Are you linked with Samjhuata blast ?

    You support people who are known to the people who know other people are close to the extremists who blasted the train .

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shehzad..

    You seem to be part of SIMI…Did you do Samjhauta?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    You can go thru earlier blogs. The link has been provided before. I’ll not waste my time on providing information to terrorist sympathiser.

    It looks like you have fair idea about WHO IS ACTUALLY BEHIND SAMJHAUTA BLAST? After all you are Digvijay’s Chamcha.

  • Prabhat

    Interesting Video –

    Anna,congress,Ramdev : The politics within :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15RU3y7OXE&feature=related

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Already posted…

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  • rajiv

    From NY Times.

    ———————————————————————————————————–
    How ISI sponsored Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, protected Bin Laden..
    ———————————————————————————————————-
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/world/asia/24pakistan.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The cellphone of Osama bin Laden’s trusted courier, which was recovered in the raid that killed both men in Pakistan last month, contained contacts to a militant group that is a longtime asset of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, senior American officials who have been briefed on the findings say.

    The discovery indicates that Bin Laden used the group, Harakat-ul-Mujahedeen, as part of his support network inside the country, the officials and others said. But it also raised tantalizing questions about whether the group and others like it helped shelter and support Bin Laden on behalf of Pakistan’s spy agency, given that it had mentored Harakat and allowed it to operate in Pakistan for at least 20 years, the officials and analysts said.

    In tracing the calls on the cellphone, American analysts have determined that Harakat commanders had called Pakistani intelligence officials, the senior American officials said. One said they had met. The officials added that the contacts were not necessarily about Bin Laden and his protection and that there was no “smoking gun” showing that Pakistan’s spy agency had protected Bin Laden.

    But the cellphone numbers provide one of the most intriguing leads yet in the hunt for the answer to an urgent and vexing question for Washington: How was it that Bin Laden was able to live comfortably for years in Abbottabad, a town dominated by the Pakistani military and only a three-hour drive from Islamabad, the capital?

    “It’s a serious lead,” said one American official, who has been briefed in broad terms on the cellphone analysis. “It’s an avenue we’re investigating.”

    The revelation also provides a potentially critical piece of the puzzle about Bin Laden’s secret odyssey after he slipped away from American forces in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan nearly 10 years ago. It may help answer how and why Bin Laden or his protectors chose Abbottabad, where he was killed in a raid by a Navy Seals team on May 2.

    Harakat has especially deep roots in the area around Abbottabad, and the network provided by the group would have enhanced Bin Laden’s ability to live and function in Pakistan, analysts familiar with the group said. Its leaders have strong ties with both Al Qaeda and Pakistani intelligence, and they can roam widely because they are Pakistanis, something the foreigners who make up Al Qaeda’s ranks cannot do.

    Even today, the group’s leader, Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil, long one of Bin Laden’s closest Pakistani associates, lives unbothered by Pakistani authorities on the outskirts of Islamabad.

    The senior American officials did not name the commanders whose numbers were in the courier’s cellphone but said that the militants were in South Waziristan, where Al Qaeda and other groups had been based for years. Harakat’s network would have allowed Bin Laden to pass on instructions to Qaeda members there and in other parts of Pakistan’s tribal areas, to deliver messages and money or even to take care of personnel matters, analysts and officials said.

    Wielding a Militant Tool

    Harakat is one of a host of militant groups set up in the 1980s and early ’90s with the approval and assistance of Pakistan’s premier spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, to fight as proxies in Afghanistan, initially against the Soviets, or against India in the disputed territory of Kashmir. Like many groups, it has splintered and renamed itself over the years, and because of their overlapping nature, other groups could have been involved in supporting Bin Laden, too, officials and analysts said. But Harakat, they said, has been a favored tool of the ISI.

    Harakat “is one of the oldest and closest allies of Al Qaeda, and they are very, very close to the ISI,” said Bruce O. Riedel, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and the author of “Deadly Embrace: Pakistan, America, and the Future of the Global Jihad.”

    “The question of ISI and Pakistani Army complicity in Bin Laden’s hide-out now hangs like a dark cloud over the entire relationship” between Pakistan and the United States, Mr. Riedel added.

    Indeed, suspicions abound that the ISI or parts of it sought to hide Bin Laden, perhaps to keep him as an eventual bargaining chip, or to ensure that billions of dollars in American military aid would flow to Pakistan as long as Bin Laden was alive.

    Both the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Representative Mike Rogers, Republican of Michigan, and the panel’s ranking Democrat, Representative C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, said this month that they believed that some members of the ISI or the Pakistani Army, either retired or on active duty, were involved in harboring Bin Laden.

    Bin Laden himself had a long history with the ISI, dating to the mujahedeen insurgency that the Americans and Pakistanis supported against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    you can read more at

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/world/asia/24pakistan.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Its morning in delhi and I am in the backseat of my TATA Sa..fari from Noida to gurgaon. Nothing like hammering thee keyboard while watching the traffic ourside…

    The spelling mistakes come as a bonus.

    Prabhat the TOI on my lap tells me that the Congress is aflutter with Digvinash’s remark on holding an enquiry into phone tapping. being close to the Congress dont you think Digvinash is inching closer to the crown. With one stroke he would destroy Pranabda’s image as well as that of Chidu and Ambika Soni, without whose knowledge the phonetaps would not have occured.

    In the end the Yuvraj will have a bout of diarrehea because of nerves. And Digvinash will claim the PM’s crown in 2014.

    In that case will you and the rest of the Congress supporters say “heil Digvinash…. our mighty lord…” :D

    In the same manner as you praise the Rajmata and the Yuvraj???/

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Digvijay is the “opposition voice ” in congress. Whatever the opposition is likely to say shall be cleverly echoed by Digvijay. This is in a way muffles the noise by the opposition. People would think the govt and party are considering all the options.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    My God !! You are the Rajmata’s, Yuvaj’s and Yamraj’s voice all over the net !! You will have a reason for whatever they do.

    Cmon Prabhat, free your mind from family worship. The foundation stone of democracy is each citizen seeing thru the bull. What you are doing is the opposite. I am sure you also believed that Kasab is basically a RSS man and 26/11 actually did not happen– it was a Ram Gopal Varma film shooting :D :D

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Or maybe you have been “compromised” and photographed in a ‘compromising’ position during a Pakistan posting … :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Simple application of mind. I am surprised that it surprises you.

    [ I wish I could reply to the second part. ]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    I think you should keep the bigger picture in mind. That the purpose of democracy is to DESTROY family rule. landlords, kings, princes.

    Okay I understand that you may be against the BJP. But you can actually back some other faction in the Congress,like Pilot, Chidambaran, maybe Sibal against Yuvraj, or kamal Nath… :

    The principal of destroying family rule, dynastic succession and sycophancy is important. :D :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    if any of them have willingness to move forward and prove to be great leader with National following, then he will have my full support.

    Till then, why waste time in unnecessary speculation ?

    Anyway I am not a king maker.

  • vijay kumar

    I am sure Kiyan, gilani and Biryani would definately dance with joy at the prospect of having an ISI agent like Digvinash as India’s PM

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  • Vijay Kumar

    NDTV news says that Digvinash Singh has not given vry high marks to Manmohan SIngh for performance. In fact rated Rahul having a higher calibre for being the PM :D :D

    The sycophantic wolves have been unleashed. !!! :D :D A matter of time before MMS is pushed and a mandbudhi Yuvraj dumped on the Indian public !! :D :D

    Prabhat you can get your court poetry ready.

    Vinod Sharma ji be prepared now to defend all teh gaffes the yuvraj will make. The NCM may be asked to take up Afzal Guru’s defence and release based on the minority angle.

    And all of us should now be preapared for India SLIDING ….. :( :( :(

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    India is eternal ….(that is our standard excuse, like “Mumbaikars are resilient ” whenever a terrorist strike happens i Mumbai)…

    People came – stole, built ..Moghuls, Portugese, Dutch, French, British….

    But Congress only stole… ..did nt care about building…

    This too shall pass..

    Lets go back to our excuse –what is 50, 100 , 200 years in a stretch of 7000 years…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Now, at least you appear to be sliding

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    :D @ Prabhat

    Vijay Kumar does not slide. He is steadfast in his ideals. Maybe one day he will show you the door to the real prabhat for our country.

    Where the head is held high…
    Where you dont need to fall to kiss the feet of corrupt families…

    Where for getting positions you work
    And not become a chamcha and shirk

    Where leaders take on the LeT
    and not say let it be…

    Where sycophants and DIgvinashes are kicked
    And not their feet licked….

    Where Genuine leaders come up
    and not Mandbudhi Yuvraj’s show up.

    Dear Prabhat… that is where the real prabhat for India will happen….

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Excellent.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Start with a sample…karnataka.

    I will check out with you on 31st December.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Karanataka is just one state
    Corrupt its leader may be
    But he does not rate
    As bad as the Congress family

    Neither does he say
    After Me.. my daughter
    After her, her son
    After him his wife
    After her, her son….

    And so on
    and on and on..
    for anon !! :D :D

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I have asked my tailors to be ready to stitch two bandhgalas at short notice-one for Vinodji and the other for Prabhat for the coronation.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    I hope it is a Bandhghala

    For Digvinash and the rest of them please preapre an IPL cheerleader type of dress… :D

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    How about BAND- GALA.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Gopi

    I think we should not be so passive !! We can for starters unite to vote out dynastic succession and all the ills which come with it.

    In the end we shold not forget that Digvinash and his cheerleading brigade are making light of terrorists who one day may nuke India.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Then BJP should be rejuvenated, people like Adavi, gadkari etc should just fade, Modi canot be modest, he should be the leader, should not worry abt congress propaganda, take them heads on on the development issue, ..Modi has charisma and magnetism..and has a record to tout..of course his opponents will brig the “800 Muslims killed” issue — He should just handle it and change the platform to future, growth, prosperity, education etc for the *** children growing up today ad the new oes who will be born tomorrow

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Be human.

    Advani dreamt all his life to be PM of this country. What all has he not done ?

    Rode Rath like Lord Ram.Mobilsed mob from all over.

    Helped raise the numbers from 2 to 184 in LokSabha. Yet, you handed over the reign to Vajpayee.

    And gave him a lolipop – position of DyPM.

    It’s Advani, the erstwhile Fimy journalist coined phrases like “pseudo..”, “I have never seen in my entire life….” and . enriched our vocabulary.

    [ I am not talking about the attack on the Parliament when he was found to be in LS toilet doing his 5th shave of the day. ]

    He has been waiting for last 2 terms. Now, when the chance comes, you are planning to push Modi as PM candidate !

    You are breaking his heart.

    Please reconsider.

    Does Modi require a Dy PM too ?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Atleast can we create a new post – Co PM ?

    Give Advani some promotion !

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Please read it as :

    Atleast can we ” invent ” a new post – Co PM ?

    [ Plzzz understand. It's about our glorious fading political star Shri Shri Rathyatri AdvaniJi !!!]

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Gopi

    You are right about BJP getting a second line of leadership which is in theri fities and sixties. Regrding Modi I have my doubts in the sense the English media is so much against him that they would get all sort of reasons to defame him.

    I think the BJP needs to search its ranks and get may be a Jaitley or a Ravi Shankar Prasad type of guy whoc can argue on TV. And also get a team to start a anti dynasty and anti corruption movement all over the country.

    With Digvinash now attacking MMS, it is just a matter of time, they will get the Mandbuddhi Yuvraj who will not be able to match Jaitley or Ravi Shankar Prasad or SUshma in rhetoric.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay

    The votes are not with the English program watching folks.. Modi knows how to cut these journos down..

    Charisma is in short supply all across… Modi is the most charismatic politician alive today – may be all over the world…BJP going to shell because of Gujrat riots is totlly stupid..Congress will try to put them n that penalty box.. Modi shopuld come out of that

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    When the talk of COngress corruption comes
    Talk Yeddi and cloud the issue

    When the talk of dynastic succession comes
    Say Yuvraj is an Einstein and not a Shishu

    When talk of MOdi comes,
    talk Advani to divide and rule
    While the Indian janata feels
    Congress chamchas only talk ull jalool !! :D :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Charity begins at home

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Rajiv, Rajeev, Pankaj, Praveen Saxena,

    Here are some of the comments in response to Gandhibhakt Prabhat:

    Rajiv
    Congress has been involved in terrorism and communalism for last many years.
    The congres party spokesman, digvijay, acts as the LeT spokesman in India. The views of the most rabid LeT jihadi are not any different than the Congress general secretary.

    the views of Kasav’s mentors and LeT leaders about who did 26/11 are no different than the views of Congress party and Sonia family spokesman digvijay.

    Pankaj:
    I hope that Digvijay meets his waterloo during coming elections. All Indians should unite and finish this rabid man from public life. Blot on Indians of every hue. Though, I do not believe in vindictive politics, but this appears to be an exception.

    Rajeev:
    I think NDA if it comes to power should not leave Digvijay and his masters in peace. They should investigate their overt and covert support for Islamic terrorism.

    After what Congress has done post IM terror and 26/11, it doesn’t deserve any kind of mercy.

    vijay kumar:
    the dynasty has served its purpose and to get it back smacks of sevility and an inferiority complex.
    People who hitch on the dynasy bandwagon are doing so for getting some material benefit. As Digivjay does.

    By shouting out rahul’s name Digvinash has effectively told the people of india that the Manmohan singh legacy is zero !! This is bound to effect MMS’s performance further on.

    Rajeev:
    Rahul Gandhi will turn out to be a disaster just like his father controlled by corrupt elements. Frankly speaking, I want him to become PM now…It will be great fun.

    Vijay Kumar:
    I think dynastic Succession smacks of a losers attitude. Of a castist mentality that ” woh mai baap hai… who raja hai… unka khoon blue hai… humko unka feet chatna chahiye….

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    You would have become such a huge success as a journalist in this age of “COPY N PASTE JOURNALISM” !

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Your feeble defense of the Digvinash SIngh has gone haywire.

    Digvinash’s actual words are

    “Rahul should be PM
    Manmohan failry good…”

    He obviously cannot say MMS is bad.

    Now the Rajmata and the mandbuddhi Yuvraj are out to snatch the kursi !!
    The COngress will soon become khassi …. :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Now, read what Gandhibhakt Prabhat has to say, out of bhakti, reverence, chamchagiri, ego-massaging and a… l,,,,,,:

    He (Nehru) inspired industrialists and scientists to join the Nation building programme and everybody joined in enthusiastically.

    Vijay,Please do not try your standard phrase on me. I always debate from the position of strength, never sulk or cry or beg

    Sonia has not done badly after reluctantly accepting the mantle.

    Unlike many other star sons, Rahul is cool headed

    If he drives down a restaurant , split the bill and pay his part; it speaks a lot about his character

    If he travels all over the country and enthuses youngsters to join politics, it shows he has a vision for this country.

    If he maintains cool on being hit with abuses by his detractors, it shows he has attained the maturity.

    Rahul will fight or perish.

    The new team of congress since 2004 has more or less been on the right track with clear intent to delink from the maladies of the past and willingness to take the country forward.

    The team has worked marvelously with a remarkable team bonding and peer respect. While Sonia has handled the political end with a cocksure authority, MMS has brought in “processes” into the Governance with his vast administrative experience.

    Sonia has deliberately allowed the Ministers the political space UPA 2. Though it has created some chaos, I believe this will help Congress evolve as a better political party in future.

    while the majority in the Govt. are busy in Nation building effort, a few ministers have gone for their personal gains

    So allowing Supreme Court to monitor the case directly or agreeing to Anna’s movement on corruption are opportunities for the top echelon of this Govt. to clean up this malady that has sieged the Govt. Infact, This could be a clever strategy by the Congress to clean up the mess. If done clinically, congress and the Govt. can bounce back in next one year by moving forward with their developmental policies.

    I would rather bet on the present leadership of Congress to take the country forward…

    Entertaining, you bet, it is.
    sycophancy? unlimited.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Shenoy – the Re-writer !

    I thought you would re-write my posting by replacing rahul’s name by your chosen and favourite leader from BJP while keeping the basic framework intact.

    But you just copied as it is !

    Where was the inadequency?

    Finding the appropriate leader from BJP to replace rahul’s name ?

    Or, your power to imagine.

    Being creative does mean one would add half a sentence in the beginning and another half at the end of somebodyelse’s posting !

    Is that called pseudo-creative ?

    Oh! I got to cross check with Advani ! Hellooo

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Please Read as :

    Being creative does NOT mean that one would add half a sentence in the beginning and another half at the end of somebodyelse’s posting !

  • Prabhat

    @ Vijay

    What defense ?

    Could you please quote my words ?

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  • Vijay Kumar

    O Prbhat O Prabhat

    I’ll only qoute one para. And even if you see this page itself you have been Digvinash spokesman just like Manish Tewari is for Mandbudhi Yuvraj :D

    “Digvijay is the “opposition voice ” in congress. Whatever the opposition is likely to say shall be cleverly echoed by Digvijay. This is in a way muffles the noise by the opposition. People would think the govt and party are considering all the options. ”

    Now who said this. Definately not Advani !! . And you can see many of the Digvijay bachao poetry in the past few weeks fo your prose… :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Does it sound like a defense ?

    Now I got ask you if you stopped by roadside tharra shop at Surajkund !

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Rajiv;
    Your link for atrocities on Ahmadiyas was chilling. Beasts were Baying for Blood. This phenomenon has to be eradicated from the surface of earth, any delay of 50 years, and this cancer will become uncontrollable. This is small pox and has to be eradicated in total.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ DIGVINASH, YUVRAJ AND RAJMATA COULD BE WARNING MMS AND PRANABDA~ :D

    By signalling that both MMS and Pranabda, The Yuvraj and Rajmaa might be sending them a warning thru Digvinash. The issue is of course foreign bank accounts and Lokpal probing into past PM’s

    It is also of course possible that both may be replaced and Digvinmash at the finance Minister and Mandbudhi yauvraj as PM may take over….

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Prabhat…

    Why have you gone silent… just want to know what is happening in the corridoors of power????

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I snatch time in between to respond. I am not online all the time.

    Rest assured and make no mistake, none of your posting addressed to me will go unanswered.

    And you know I never short-circuit my replies with abuses. [ unless provoked ]

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Looking at the responses of Prabhat, I am fairly certain that Prabhat is either Vinod or his proxy. His has used some words exclusively used by Vinod especially about Advani.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    You love circular motions, right !

    Actually it does not take much to be on a circular path.

    Stay tuned to your 0 & 1 bits !

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I believe in linear equation whereas you believe in circular. A person who can be a supporter of LeT terrorist is surely a congressi propagandist.

    How much are you being paid by Vinod Sharma?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    be careful to use words right
    calling him gandhi bhakt is alright,
    but, chela, side-kick, proxy or chamcha
    he will make you hide behind your chacha

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Thanks. I appreciate it.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    He is nothing but a gali chaap chamcha…These kind of people run errands for chamchas like Digvijay. I am sure Prabhat must be serving tea to Digvijay.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I guess you deserve to be abused by people with choicest ones.

    If you want to meet me in person, you are welcome to meet me tomorrow at McDonalds, CP. ( 6.30 pm)

    Let’s exchange some notes in person.

    Rajeev Reply:

    “McDonalds, CP. ( 6.30 pm)”

    Aa gaya apni aukaat pe…This is your class.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Let’s meet and clear it up for all times to come so that you do not speculate ever again.

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    Make sure you chew chewing gum all the time so that I can recognize you.
    Have you taken permission from Vinod Sharma? I don’t want you to loose your salary.

    How about we meet in Mexico City, McDonald’s next to Rio 6:30 PM Sharp?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    So you are not in India/Delhi. Well I guess then we have to wait for another day, another opportunity.

    I will eagerly look forward to that meeting.

    Don’t worry about my identity. I will give all the details before you decide to meet, so that you do not miss me.

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    I’ll some day meet you in person. Every student should be eager to meet his guru. I will teach you value of self-respect to start with.

    As you are a congressi, I expect you to be chewing something..may be chewing gum made in home ministry of India.

    Bachcha hei…Chal…chupchaap kaam kar…

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I am glad you have decided to meet me in person.

    I will not waste any more words/energy now. Let us preserve all that for our meeting.

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Prabhat,
    Till then can I call you Digvijay’s Chamcha or Vinod’s proxy? Please…Beta Please..

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I met few people in life who never understood the ramification of their actions. And they behaved exactly like you. They thought they would get away with their brash words / actions because they thought they were resourceful.

    But they did not.

    Call me whatever you like. Since you have decided to meet me in person, I will preserve my replies till then.. Just do not forget all your spoken/written words. Just add them up.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Chal bakwaas band kar…

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Prabhat

    I did cross Suraj kund today but was not tempted by the tharra. Will stick to chilled kingfihser cans on this hot friday evening :D

    But typing out five postings in between meetings and being driven around three cities is a nasha by itself…. :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    You are wasting your time on Digvijay of this blog. He is Vinod or his proxy..Once again congressis have proved their HONESTY..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    If you have time while being driven around and are net-connected, invest time on server based 3D visualisation softwares that would help you immensly in your profession.

    Why waste time on these silly posting on Digvijay et al ?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    A Dell laptop with a photon connection is good enough for me…. Why add to work all the time.

    As for Digvinash… eliminating sycophants like him is a higher function for the sake of our country. It is national duty to discredit dynastic succession, family rule, corrupt politicians.

    I wish u too got into that act rather than end up prasing the Nehru Gandy corruption sagas…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Ek DigVijay, sirf ek DigVijay saare BJP ko…. bana diya hai !

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    Your digvijay was beaten up black and blue by MP govt. few years back.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ rajeev

    when and how did this happen?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Around 2-3 years back in MP. There are picture of him bruised.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDAuhzujx7E

    Rajeev Reply:

    More on that Lathi charge on Digvijay-
    http://www.timesnow.tv/Digvijay-Singh-injured-in-Lathicharge/videoshow/4326265.cms

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gandhidas Gandhibhakt is anti-booze
    but his government is all for ghoos

    singing praises of dynasty gives him shakti
    his mind dishes out fairy tales with bhakti

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  • shan

    @to all MODI PUJARIS
    I think gujrat’s prosperity started long before Modi arrived on the scene , IT WAS PETROCHEMICALS which changed the face of Gujrat , and the main architect was CHIMAN BHAI PATEL ,a college lecturer in ECONOMICS. Gujrat has some innate strength.RAW SEWAGE has minimal influence in Gujrat .PATEL IS A GUJRATI WORD WHICH SIMPLY MEANS FARMER. No where in India these patel caste and modi class has been able to wield so much power. When did hear a JANI OR VYAS in any post worth its name.
    So any monkey as CM of gujrat would have been able to attract investment. FOR GUJRATIS ARE PEOPLE OF DHANDHA. Yet gujrat has not got anything to show in IT and call centres. Having a PORT and thousand year history of MARITIME TRADE definitely helped in attracting investment.
    But is gujrat any different from other indian states ,SO FAR CORRUPTION IN GOVT OFFICE IS CONCERNED , the answer is a emphatic NO , Is public heath ,sanitation any better ,NO. Education is average IN FACT THE SECONDARY SCHOOL ENROLMENT IS LOWER THAN WB.
    And lastly the M question , M for muslims ,M for Modi. This is one area where Modi does not inspire confidence ,particulary after one of his MINISTER banged up for ordering the killing of a land mafia.
    Is he AMIT MEHTA.
    But mody is a GREAT ORATOR,intellectually class7 pass.
    modi for PM ,well anything is possible in India ,and certainly better than the ZERO SEX APPEAL sushma MOUSI

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    You have battle going on with Shenoy and Vijay but that doesn’t mean that you have to take opposite view. I guess you are more interested in personal battles than ideological ones.
    Just an observation.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, I am and always will remain a RATIONALIST AND A HUMANIST.i do not allow emotion or preconceived notions cloud my judgement. nor do i have any entrenched position . i am simply objective . As for side battles , THEY ARE NOT WORTH THE EFFORT , for these are SMALL people.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    I though a Bengali was responsible for the prosperity of Gujrat and a Gujrati was responsible for the relative lack of prosperity in Bengal !
    I got it all wrong.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Prabhat and Vinodji

    Ek Digvinash ne
    Sirf ek Digvinash ne

    Puri Congress ko HIjra banaya
    Kasab ko ek hero batlaya :D

    Ek Digvinash ne
    MMS ko nincompoop kehlaya
    Aur mandbudhi Yuvraj ko Einstien jatnaya

    Kyon yeh press Digvinash se darti hai
    Uske phenke alms par marti hai
    Kya yahi reet hai media ki
    Na Desh prem, na asaloon se pyaar
    sirf ek chah hai kursi ki ….
    :D :D

    Kya

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Digvinash ka naam padhte hi Prabhat khil ut-tha hai
    yavraj ka mention pe woh phoola na samaatha hai
    Rajmata ka tasveer jahaan bhi dekha, wahin sashtaang namaskaar daal tha hai

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Digvinash ke naam se
    Kiyani bhi khush hua

    Hafeez Saeed ne maara Bharitya
    bechara RSS badnaam hua…. :D

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  • Rajiv

    Has Congress Supreme general secretary, Digtvijay Singh gifted the book ‘26/11 RSS ki Sajeesh” , at whose publication , he was the honored chief guest, to LeT supremo Hafeez Sheikh Muhammad Saeed ?

    If not , I am sure our blogger Prabhat, who specializes in classical European etiquette, as exemplified by Sonia ( I thought underage sex peddler Pak PM Burlosconi and one of the most corrupt politicians of Europe, was a more apt person to represent Italy today as he is democratically elected ) , can send him one , unless Mr Prabhat has not already gifted one personally to Mr Hafeez.

    I assume, when Digvijay Singh uses fowl language to denigrate his political opponents and refers to Osama in reverential terms as ‘Osama Ji’, he is epitome of classical Indian traditions !!!

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajiv

    I think this country is softneing up again. It is giving a long rope to Pakitsn n terror and hoping that US would clean the mess. The US is in Afghanistan for its own reasons.

    With Rahul and Digvinash set to get the topmost seats we may go back to the earlier years where terrorists were not tackeled for the fear of hurting Muslims. A very very stupid stand as indian Muslims too are largely against jehadi terror unleashed by Pakistan.

    Amar Singh and Digvinash Singh exempl;ify the worst in Indian politics. both are selfish, soft on terror and capable of doing anything to get publicity and power

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  • Rajiv

    @Vijay,
    Digvijay goes way beyond that. He actually provides political cover to Pakistan sponsored terrorism.
    The greatest friend of LeT in India is Digvijay Singh, the Congress General secretary and also supposedly the political mentor of mom-and-son.

    On a seperate note, I want to take the pleasure of saying ‘Is said so”.

    On most occasions, if you read all the media, you can fairly accurately analyze whats going on. Right after the Abottabad raid on May 2nd, I had given my opinion of how Osama lived in Abottabad, undetected, for so long. After reading alll the media, including quotes from local Abottabad media, I had said that the reason why local police in Abottabad never enquired about Obama’s mansion is because that compound locally was known as a ‘Harkat-Ul-Mujahideen’ compound. The property was owned by Harkut-Ul-Mujahideen and since HuM is one of the dearest militant organizations to ISI, the local police and others knew to never question who lived there . That property was off-limits to local law enforcement as it was a declared asset of HuM, the terrorist group very close to ISI.

    Today’s news in NYTimes, based on cell phone records of one of Osama’s helpers at the compound, vindicates that.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    The problem with congressis like Prabhat is that they simply can not see Congress support/cover for Islamic terror. They have been hardwired to ignore sins of congress.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajiv

    You can certainly take pride in that !

    Somewhere deep down I have a feeling tht the last war with the mujaheedin would have to be fought by India for US could retreat soon. It was least interested in afghanistan before 9/11 happened. In fact Americans were happy that Taliban and Pakistan had taken over what was Soviet territory.

    Remember nobody cried withus when Kandahar happened.

    Indians need to really make the most of these 3-4 years more till Americans are here. We really lack the will to go for the kill. Headley gives us an opportunity to push the americans to start dismantling Pakistan.
    The Americans get paranoid very fast. they were willing to push Pakistan to the sone ages after 9/11.

    :Let us keep feeding their paronia

    But….

    We will keep believing a strong and stable a Pakistan is in our interest…

    Till the day we get nuked…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The day we get nuked by pak, whole of congress and its media will be sitting in Lahore enjoying beef Kababs.
    We may also see Diggi blaming RSS for India getting nuked.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Frankly speaking, I can not stand Mayawati but all the rape and murders in last fortnight looks to me some kind of conspiracy by congress and its sympathisers to show Mayawati govt. in bad light. There are just two reasons for it-
    1. To redeem image of Rahul Gandhi who lied on incident in Bhatta Parsaul
    2. The 2012 UP elections.

    I am sure Congress criminals and its symapthisers are behind actual rapes/murders and fake rapes. The congress is using its money power to paint UP govt. in bad light.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Greetings from Vaisiliki- windsurfing capital of Europe. I have surfed here before, kept falling off, strong winds. Now too old for that.
    Sailed in after our yatch was repaired- winds at 24 KNOTS- mega wow- WE WERE RACING IN- I was also scared to be honest, the yatch heeled over a/ lot !!!

    RAJIV, DR PANKAJ, PRABHAT- thx for appreciating my sailing post. To all my cyber friends- greetings again.
    MY HEART WEEPS – India with its hundreds of km of coastline needs a modern politician to say- lets put in infra structure- harbours, ports, bars, marinas, floating pontoons, sailing schools- and make India a sailing capital of the world

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    i think Rajiv or Prabhat said- east coast of India is too rough. Buddy that is what attracts extreme sailors. I can handle upto 30 knots

    Dr Pankaj- glad for your enthu- start your training- then I will invite you

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    VINOD SHARMA- pl write an article on sailing possibilities in India, I can co author. Next time ypou plan a trip to Europe, let me know- I will show you the glories of sailing
    or we can sail in south India- I know a couple of places
    waiting to hr from you

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Mishra, So whats your route/ports for this trip ? In India they would have to start with setting up sailing infrastructure around one of the popular tourist beaches and expand from there.
    But why just sailing ? In Himachal, Northern UP, J&K , beyond Darjeeling there is tremendous scope for further development tourism but the infrastructure , roads and accomodation, have a long way to go.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr. Sharma,

    Vinodji needs no coaching or tutoring in sailing. He is adept at it. He is a fair weather sailor, presently sailing with the ruling dispensation.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    My apologies to you Dr. Mishra, for addressing you as Dr. Sharma.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mishraji;
    yes, your offer is very attractive. let me see, if I can attempt the training.

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  • Ravi

    We all know that Pakistan is a clever foe.

    We have known for decades that it has attempted to damage India, by enrolling the help from Kashmiris’, Sikhs, Indian Muslims, Tajendar and me.

    Now it is beginning to appear, that it is also a very conniving enemy.

    It has enrolled the Ruling Party of India to work for it. Congress, on behalf of the Pakistan Army, is slowly destroying India from the inside.

    You may say, this is a bit far fetched, is it not.

    I would say not, if you read posts made here by a number of people who infest this blog, Rajeev in particular.

    So, is he and others wrong or do they see some thing that Prabhat, Vinod, Dr Mishra, et all, have spectacularly failed to see.

    As we all know there is a world of difference between seeing and perceiving. Us mere mortals simply see things, whilst there are higher beings who posses a very profound sense of perception, see completely different perspectives.

    Such individuals are rare, so rare that just a few in each century visit this earth.

    Examples are not plentiful, but include; Louis Braille, Sur Das, Galileo Galilei, Steevie Wonder, Ray Charles, and of course our own matchless political analyst Rajeev, with an E.

    His unique perception is that Pakistan has no longer any need to attack India; considering it is already ruling it via a proxy government headed the Congress Party of India.

    Thank you Rajeev for opening our eyes to something only you can see.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi, First about cinema. Watched the recently released WEST IS WEST. simply mind boggling ,so touching , the pakistan as it is shown in the film does not create fear it demands MASSIVE COMPASSION for the hapless people.. The child or boy actor Atiq Khan is so good , he stole the scene from OM PURI.
    Please order it from Love films and let me know what you thought about it. The marriage ceremony though MUSLIM was 100% Hindu Punjabi in rituals.

    Next is rajeev.His english will give ashish run for its money. His hatred of congress is visceral.
    Dont know why. Congress is a broad church , full of crooks , then BJP is also full of quacks and charlatans.Perhaps living in USA and seen the most patriotic people on planet earth , he is influenced and in his patriotic urge ,he loses self controland objectivity.
    One understands his repugnance for wahabi islam ,for sunni islam will treat NAQSHBANDIS as idol worshipper.
    THOUGH THE LIKES OF M S , D I C K AIYYAR in congress gives the impression that congress is under the payroll od pakistani masters.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    You are free to have any view about me.

    I have never voted for BJP or Congress and probably never will. I consider Congress bada chor and BJP chota chor.

    I hate the dynasty culture not only in congress but in all other parties. There are two parties which are based on ideology, one is BJP and other is Communist. There is no question of supporting pro-china communist so BJP is the only option left.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, WHAT IS THE IDEOLOGY OF BJP, please enlighten me. so far I can see there is no difference in ECONOMIC POLICY , FOREIGN POLICY and that doesn’t leave any more policies to discuss

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I can safely say that BJP is at least not IDEOLOGY-LESS like congress and other parties. They have been out of power due to their flawed ideology.

    As far as economic policy is concerned, congress is more populist and when it comes to foreign policy, congress believes in total surrender as seen in the case of China and Pakistan.

    Mahesh Reply:

    “As far as economic policy is concerned, congress is more populist and when it comes to foreign policy, congress believes in total surrender as seen in the case of China and Pakistan.”
    How do you categorise Musharraf-Vajpayee chemistry ? Was that surrender too ?
    China – was BJP ever faced with the current day complexity in Chinese relations as a ruling party ? Are you not speculating congress servility ?
    - Mahesh.

  • pankaj#1

    Shan;
    As I said before, no body is questioning prowesses of bengalis in science and literature and different arts. But commerce and industry is not their fort.

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    shan Reply:

    @pankaj#1, it is not only bengalis who lack interest in setting up his own business.The marathi, keralite,bihari ,UP wallah ,assamese , and we are not talking about kashmiri or north east , none of these people have any enterprenial culture. Though probably a lot of these companies are run by bengalees.MITTAL’s right hand man is a bengalee , so are CEO’s of SONY MAXand host of other companies. generally business is looked down in bengali society ,a bit like in UP where the surname AGARWAL is an object of derision.
    This is to do with BRAMHINICALSEWAGE . People do not realise nowhere in India does the Bramhins have such a complete hold on the politics as in Bengal.mamata’s cabinet and all big appointment is 90% bramhins. Caste is like race in UK/USA . People avoid talking about it in the open in bengal. yet it is pretty healthy ,alive and kicking well. Though it may not be that CRUDE like rest of India.
    bengalees as a result of PLAGUE for last 34yrs are in a very very very poor shape.
    But like england , a huge pyramid ,even if you chipaway , still there is some left that will impress you time to time.
    BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING BENGAL IS IN THE PITS ,that is comparing it with its heyday, comparing with rest of India at present it would be mid table.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Let me clarify– evven though you may not believe– that my observations on bengal were for the good of Bengal. What I am sayign is that all that culture and intellect becomes useless in case you have live in poverty and then blame some imperial design for it. Or the centre. Or the Marwaris…

    My first philosphy is to stand on your feet. In case one develops a stroy that we are condemned to be poor because

    a) Somebody exploited us and is still exploiting us, well it wont take you too far.

    b) Or we are poor becasue we are not socialist/communist.

    bengal frankly needs a Margaret Thatcher. Mamata being an emotional shrill lady may or may not fill the slot. it has the potential of so many things

    a) for example a film centre and animatin centre because of the creative culture and music.
    b) A manufacturing centre becasue of being a major port
    c) A good software centre becasue Bongs are good at analysis and can Yak yak and Yak :D
    d) A good R & D centre
    And so on…

    But really it needs to get out of the culture of rebellion where everything is unionised. Where entreprenuers are viewed suspiscioly becasue they are ‘going to exploit” the poor…

    So a minset change is the main thing

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay, you are not qualified to comment upon Margarer Thatcher, just like you are not qualified to talk about swedish literature.
    Margaret thatcher turned britain from a knowledge led economy to FINANCIAL SERVICES led economy. All the affluence is a combination of NORTH SEA OIL, FOREIGN INVESTMENTS
    STRONG AGRICULTURE AND DEFINITELY BEING FINANCIAL TRANSACTION CAPITAL OF THE WORLD also being the WORLD’S LARGEST ARMS DEALER/EXPORTER HELPS

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    O Boy… difficult to communcate with you!! What I meant was Thatcher got UK back to the ground. From dreams of grandiosity that they ruled the world, she got back current accounting.

    For Bengal the moment of truth is now. No point in avoiding the fact that people can be hapy when industry actually functions. not by eating the captial and bringing it down thru unions…

    By the way some postings back you were boasitng about the riches of britain as compared to the poverty of India. Now you are saying it is the poorest…. :D :D

    Dal mein kuch kaala :D :D

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    this Shaan Nirad Babu is right. You are not qualified to speak about Thatcher or anybody for that matter who has created some wealth.

    Only Bengalis can speak about wealth creation, because they can, with equal felicity speak about poverty creation too. AND they have seen others creating wealth and know how not to follow them!

    As for Thatcher, ONLY Shaan Nirad Babu of the white-a.s.s.-l.i.c.k.ing obsession can speak about her.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Proabably Nirad Chaudhari has caused more damage to Bengal than any other single gentleman with the exception of Kanu Sanyal. Both went to opposite spectrums to create a stagnated state.

    Nirad babu who could find some genius in every small English happening or gesture made the elite of Bengal feel that they were inadequate in case they did not become anglophiles like him. Forget progress. Just need to be barra sahabs.

    The best of my bong friends would become tearful and sentimental when they talked bout the “genius” of Nirad Choudhari. How one of their own knew the speeches of Churchill and Macualey and that sort of nonsense :D

    Kanu Sanyal and communists gave such lengthy and bogus revolutionary theories that all the youth in the seventies just wanted mao to come to bengal as a saviour. From 1978 onwards while China invited foreign capital and industry, the fossilised CPM quoted the red book to create a total industrial collapse.

    Somebody needs to write the real history here…. :D

    shan Reply:

    @Vijay kumar you need to go to SPEC SAVERS and then a shrink, you have deliberately failed to see these lines in my post
    All the affluence is a combination of

    THE OPERATIVE WORD IS AFFLUENCE, which gives an UNEMPLOYED PERSON a free flat to live , around 800 pounds or more depending on your situation per month , free COMPULSORY education till 16, FREE HEALTH CARE(IN USA 33% of the population do not have any health care/insurance) including HEART TRANSPLANT if indicated.
    I had a bangladeshi female kidney transplant patient who was going for a holiday in bangladesh for SIX MONTHS. She was given six months of medicine , worth 25000 pounds , as she will not be able to get these hghly expensive antirejection tablets.
    WELLCOME TO LAND OF MILK AND HONEY(It is literally true , a bottle of mineralwater is dearer than a bottle of milk, thus you see SARDARNIS buying PETI PETI butter for all the paranthas. As for honey it is same price as a bottle of jam.

    shan Reply:

    Just like SENOY CORRUPT BANK MANAGER babu cannot talk about virtues of a nationalised bank , when he ensured no loan would be sanctioned without a cut of 20% paid back to the manager

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Now there comes out the Nirad babu sort of pride of having made it to the UK. The land of milk and honey and all that !! :D :D

    Why dont you create wealth in bengal and be proud !!

    Well I have made nine trips to the UK and still cover places like London, SOuthampton and newcastle for work. Theek hai baba… Gurgoan, Delhi aur Noida se kuch peeche hi hai in parts.

    Especially if you compare the office space, housing and commercial malls.

    Your NHS is not the best. Patients are routinely given a six month wait for a heart surgery. Many come to India for treatment. I personally know of one case where a patient died because the surgeon carried out a bypass which was not required because the patient’s record was not verified.

    I have nothing against migration. In fact I beleive a global Indian is good for all of us. but somehwere your pride in having run away from the mess in Bengal and showing a thumb to the Bongs back home does smack of a Nirad Chaudhari sort of inferiority complex. Get over it. it would be good for you and for your well wishers… :D :D

    shan Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL
    AND

    Is delusion, the never-failing vice of fools.
    Alexander Pope

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    So r u patriotic UK citizen when you say, “Thum saala Indian kya samjhega… yahan par dole bhi milta hai.. milk aur honey bhi hai…”

    Or are you a scoundrel when you say ” Bengal’s poverty is much superrior to the riches of India shining as we have Nirad babu and an inferioirty complex as compared to the whiteman… :D

    shan Reply:

    D H vijay kumar , I am not a british citizen DESPITE HAVING AMPLE SCOPE , DESPITE SUFFERING AND BEING HUMILIATED EVERYTIME MY INDIAN PASSPORT ASKS FOR A VISA IN USA AND EUROPE., DESPITE HAVING PERMANENT STAY ORDER IN UK.

    Your haryana isn’t exactly CALIFORNIA , in riches and culturally haryana or your COW BELT is
    beneath the stairs when compared with WB.

    by the way saw a NEWS in NDTV about the maternity services in MP.apparently 15 women die every month from delivering children. This shouldn’t bother you , so long you can abuse pakistan , you reach your climax.

    You are a troll , a dumbo who lives in a cloud cuckoo land , it is because of people like you that india was colonised for 1000 yrs. thankfully there are people like me to put you in your place and not defile the great name of india.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    This is the real reason why Digvijay is so pissed with RSS/BJP. He got beaten up by them few years back…
    http://www.timesnow.tv/Digvijay-Singh-injured-in-Lathicharge/videoshow/4326265.cms

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Can someone meet Prabhat today at 6:30PM on my behalf and confirm his identity? Is he a congress seva dal worker or HT seva dal worker?

    Vijay, I guess you can do that for me so that I don’t speculate on this congressi anymore.

    :)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    He will be at posh McDonalds in CP, chewing Congress made chewing gum.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev

    Should have got bashed up a little more… :D

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev and Shenoy

    Did stop at Cafe Coffee day in Connought place and friends colony two days back. Now as per the assets declaration Sm Krishana says he has 15 lakhs and an old Wagon R.

    While the whole world knows that the Coffee day chain is owned by him. In renovation itself i was told by the manager, the CONNOUGHT PLACE UNIT SPENT ABOUT 90 LAKHS AND THE BUDGET FOR FRIENDS COLONY IS 45 LAKHS ::D

    How come a person who declared 13 lakhs as his net worth can spend so much?? Forget the 450 other outlets all overr India…

    This is as big a mystery as the location of 26/11 plotters in Pakistan..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I thought CCD is owned by his son-in-law and other VC’s.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    This son-in-law is only a front for SM Krishna, as fake as his wig and as pseudo as Kanimoli is for karunanidhi.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Son in laws marry for money..

    Father in laws dont wed thier daughter to get money :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy & Vijay

    Was it true for Vajpayee too ?

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    what does your Gestapo say about Vajapayee?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Prabhat

    I think you should be careful on what you say about Vajpayee on this blog. One Vinod Sharma ( I dont know if you have heard of him) had a full blog titled– abki baari Atal Bihari – for Bharat ratna.

    if vajpayee’s son in law has misused connections when pa=in -law was in power, he should be checked out.

    But remember Vajpayee never used his oratorial skills to promote his Son in law for the gaddi. Maybe you can inform the rajmata and the mandbuddhi prince about this… :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You mean to say you never bother to check out on Vajpayee’s Son-in-Law ? Not even when his name appeared in Radia Tapes ?

    Ah ! you and your selective amnesia !

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    This is what Gestapo has to say :

    ***********
    The telecast of further excerpts from RSS chief K.S. Sudarshan’s interview to The Indian Express Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta on NDTV’s Walk the Talk programme criticising Atal Behari Vajpayee’s record as prime minister—including an attack on the role of his foster son-in-law Ranjan Bhattacharya ……..

    ……
    ‘‘When he became PM, we told him that as you are getting old and need someone to look after you and as your son-in-law is taking care of you, it is a good thing. But I told him (Vajpayee) to ensure that he (Bhattacharya) does not interfere in government or party affairs. Vajpayee’s reply was that what I was saying was correct but a bit difficult. He said people were just trying to malign his name. So we said if people are saying it, there has to be something.’’

    *********

    [ This is just a sample...]

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Prbhat

    Ranjan was a lobbyist ouside the government. But Chidambaran, Raja, Kani and so are the government who got the moolah.

    Ranjan’s sins are lower than that of Vir Sanghvi and brakha Dutt and Prabhu Chawla who took money to misreport in the media. At best he can be called a lobbyist.

    To give you a further example Kasab is a murderer. Yuvraj makes light of the terrorism and murder.

    In this case Ranjan’s sins are less then that of the Yuvraj whose mother wants us to bear his mandbuddhi for the next few decades :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    ….
    Responding to the question as to why he had made telephonic calls to the Chairman of UTI, Prime Minister’s foster son-in-law, Ranjan Bhattacharya, said that he had called up the UTI Chairman for getting some units transferred!

    Does the Chairman of a mega institution like UTI get units transferred?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Remember the size of UTI scam and what it did to the Indian economy ?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Do you mean to say Ranjan, son-in-law of NDA PM Vajpayee was a professional lobbyist like Nira Radia ?

    It would be nice if you could clarify your statement for the benefit of these large blog readers here.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    if Congressi Sukhram was noting down the no of litres his cows produced in his diaries ( the figures of so many cr) so can Ranjan.

    Arre baba focus on the present. now dont try to dig up fiction to cloud the facts of today.

    Ranjan can be a lobbyist after Vajpayee retres. Even you can become one. Imagine being a lobbyist with Niira sitting on one side of you and Kani on the other. Arre baba, it would a case of a thorn between two roses.

    or maybe a rose between two thorns :D

    Mohan R Reply:

    Typical politician reply. If you cannot defend your party, attack opposition.
    Vijay Kumar never spoke of BJP or Vajpayee when he wrote his comments
    on SM Krishna.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Thanks for admitting Ranjan, a professional lobbyist like ” Nira Radia” operated from the shadow of Vajpayee, Prime Minister of NDA Govt.

    So we had a Nira Radia always there in NDA PM’s household !

    It’s just that a “BJP sympathetic Babu” released Nira radia tape. But similar revealation was not done in case of Ranjan, the son-in-law of Vajpayee, NDA PM !

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Vijay should have covered his flanks !

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Sudarshan, was eased out by the RSS itself for being a loose cannon and for talking without any sense of responsibility.

    Quattrocchi too was a close friend of the Gandys and he was a regular visitor to the PM’s house. If Ranjan Bhattacharya has misused his connection with Vajapayee, the UPA has every reason to have him arrested and jailed like Kani Moli and Kalmadi.

    What, Prabhat Gandhidas, kind of proof do you have except innuendos? Or perhaps Vinodji has given you his secret file from where you are dishing out stories here?

    Quattrocchi was arrested and then allowed to run away; and there were red corner arrest warrants against him from the Interpol and he was a close friend of Sonia Gandhi, who helped him run away with millions of dollars in Bofors commission. Does Vinodji’s file contain even a whisper about this Quattrocchi, or you are yet to read the chapter on this dalaal?

    .

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Chalo baba aapki baat man li Sab chor hai… kewal Yuvraj, Kani, Raja sharif hai… :D

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    File an RTI to know more details on Bofor. And please direct the questions to Vajpayee.

    1) What did Vajpayee do about Bofors in 6 years of is tenure ?

    2) Why did Vajpayee ask fernades ” not to touch Bofor file” ?

    Just 2 simple questions.

    I am sure Vajpayee will answer all your queries ( under oath ) “truthfully” like Yudhistir.

    Please do it.

    Like all Indians, you too are now RTI empowered , thanks to UPA.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    you revel in being boringly repeating yourself. Several blogs earlier, you had said the same thing about RTI. Why don’t you, being an insider, give us the proof?

    Also, why don’t you tell us, now that you are a self-confessed chela of the yuvraj, about his escapade in New york airport when he was arrested with $2 million in cash in his hand? And also how the same Vajapayee saved his mother’s ijjat and Italy’s shaan?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    If you remember my posting several blogs before, then you must have remembered all your and friends’ postings !

    I hate repeating.

    But you stop repeating yourself, I promise I will not repeat myself.

    We can discuss ” newer angles” to the same stories or new stories.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat Gandhidasji,

    if you tell us what exactly happened in New York when the yuvraj was arrested with the huge cash, I will agree to drop the matter, like Vjapayee did.

    After all, when the yuvraj becomes the PM, Prabhat Gandhidas may get an ambassador’s post to Italy and at that time we would like to boast that we are connected to the ambassador!

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    You should tell the story.

    Infact, you should file an RTI and ask Vajpayee to file his reply under oath if something like than happened at new York airport.

    If it’s true, Advani’s chance of becoming PM will brighten up.

    Vijay will worry less about Rahul becoming PM.

    If not us, please help Vijay.

  • Mohan R

    Caution…..New Logo for UPA Govt !

    The government today announced that it is changing its national symbol to a CONDOM because
    it more accurately reflects the government’s political stance. A condom allows for inflation,
    halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you sense
    of secutity while you are actually being screwed.

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  • Mohan R

    Guys,

    Heard this joke yesterday. Could not stop myself from sharing with you all.

    Grandma and Grandpa were visiting their kids overnight.

    When Grandpa found a bottle of Viagra in his son’s

    medicine cabinet, he asked about using one of the pills.

    The son said, “I don’t think you should take one Dad;

    they’re very strong and very expensive.”
    “How much?” asked Grandpa.
    “$10. a pill,” answered the son.
    “I don’t care,” said Grandpa, “I’d still like to try one, and before

    we leave in the morning, I’ll put the money under the pillow.”

    Later the next morning, the son found $110 under the pillow. He

    called Grandpa and said, “I told you each pill was $10, not $110. ”
    “I know,” said Grandpa. “The hundred is from Grandma.”

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Mohan

    :D maybe the UPA needs some Viagra now. It is all Talk (as in Digivinash) and no action ( on corrutpion)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    After Osamaji’s viagra-kaand, his secret admirers in congress party are a bit hesitant about pronouncing the name “VIAGRA”, though privately they admire Osamaji Binji Ladenji and his sexcapades. Prabhat can throw “some light” on this with his inside knowledge of the party and particularly Digvinash Singh and the yuvraj.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Resolved on 24 June 2011 by the CWC chaired by the Malkin

    That Anna Hazare Lokpal campaign is a BJP RSS conspiracy
    That Baba Ramdev is a BJP RSS agent
    That Manmohan Singh is a dumb fellow who never knew that Shunglu was a BJP RSS agent
    That CWG loot of public money by Kalmadi, Shiela Dixit , Jaipal Reddy , and MS Gill was a BJP RSS conspiracy
    That 2 G SCAM by the UPA is a BJP RSS conspiracy
    That 26/11 terrorist attack at Mumbai was a BJP RSS conspiracy
    That the person who beat up Janardan Dwivedi was a BJP RSS agent
    That prices of diesel cooking gas had to be hiked because of the BJP RSS
    That office of CAG is a field office of the BJP RSS
    That appreciation be placed on record that Manmohan Singh has moved fast and called Mukesh Ambani to quickly formulate Joint Strategy with regard to fooling the country on gold plating of RIL expenses.
    That henceforth all Congress men shall chew chewing gum and stick it at all public places for all to see
    That Digvijay Singh be assigned to hold Manmohan Singh by the scruff , just in case he chooses to write ” I do not agree ” any more.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,
    this is really a farce!

    When Indira Gandhi was running the government, because she is a desi, she always blamed a foreign hand for all the troubles like floods, shortages, and also scams.

    But, now we have Sonia Gandy, running the government, and because she is a videshi, she sees an Indian hand in all that is troubling this government of hers!

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    I am sorry I left out an important resolution.

    That the mandbuddhi of Rahul Gandhi is a result of a BJP- RSS conspiracy

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Shenoy, Vijay, Prabhat etc

    Vajpayee is an honourable man. I do not know if anybody remebers or is old enough; he was the only JanSangh MP for a long time. Nehrus opposition party in the parliament was leftists led by
    AK Gopalan.

    Vajpayee is old; that Karmayogi has done his service to the country honourably well. No need to drag him. Vajpayee’s biggest fault as a political party leader is that he did not build a deep cadre of leadership; probabbly because he was not into “politics” and more into taking care of Bharat Mata… In a way it was a relief that Mahajan was killed ..imagine if Mahajan became the PM.. what all stories would have come out…Rahul, whether we like it or not, is 1000 times a better kid (?) than Mahajan boy..Although I do not agree with Sonia Gandhi on many issues, I do believe she is more Indian than many Indian leaders and personally less corrupt (yes there is money flows, most of it i believe goes to fighting elections)

    Listen, Rahul will become the PM if UPA wins. Or, it is quite possible that he may not take it like his mother did. Unless the current system changes, the majority coalition nominates the PM; not HT bloggers.

    Rahul’s party/coalition has to be defeated electorally. Bihar has shown his limited ability to get votes. The recent elections have shown his inability to get votes – most of his handpicked candidaes lost in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in pitye of his personal campaigning in the constituencies.

    I do not think Rahul has a chance if Mody brings in a coalition like the Bihar model. Modi the Karmayogi vs Rahul, the Amul boy. Modi, the poor man who still remains poor vs Rahul, the boy born with silver spoon , who spoiled all opportunities for education, job etc and came to the “family buiness” to claim rights to someting that is all other childrens and not just Nehru family’s. Modi, the yug purush vs Rahul the yuvraj. Of course congress will clamour “Islam in danger”, Modi has to craft a coalition that can more than offset any potential votes he may lose because of the Gujrat incident.

    With trouble brewing every where – in national security, in global economics- Modi is the right man for the moment. But he is not going to get it if we spend time on Rahul’s this or that.

    BTw, Shenoy, is this $2MM episode a real stuff or a tehelka stuff?

    Also, having observed many politicians, I do not think Rahul really wants to be a PM or a leader. Look at the fire in the belly of Jagan Reddy vs Rahul.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gopi,

    It is a fact that Rahul Gandhi was arrested at Boston airport on 27th Sept., 2001, ie. soon after 9/11. At the time of the arrest, he was with his Clumbian girl friend and had in his possession a huge amount of cash in US currency (some say it was $2mil, while others put the sum modestly at $200, 000). The fact that his girl friend was a Columbian (drug money?) and he himself was travelling on an Italian passport with the unexplained and unexplainable cash must have scared the s.hit out of the FBI, who detained him for several hours looking minutely at all aspects of his activities there.

    It was only at the instance of the Indian ambassador to the US that he was released, to return to India.

    The whole thing has been shrouded in a thick tarpaulin of secrecy, but two points are significant:
    1. Gandhi has never set his foot again on US soil. ( In this aspect, he ranks equal with Modi!)
    2. Brijesh Mishra, who helped him avoid being jailed was honoured with the second highest national honour, despite his link to the NDA.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Listen, the air travel system immediately after 9/11was in a big mess; with many people being detailed without any reason but for suspicion – foreign origin etc… Let us not put any credence to that.. And no big deal in him not going to US after that..Has he gone to all other countries and skipped US?
    His sister Priyamka, i uderstand, has never left India.. And let us not connect Brije mishras award with this incoident.. I m sure he must have got involved i nmnay incidents where Indians may have been held up on some suspicion immediately after 9/11….

    We should fight on solid issues like developmet, corruption, inclusiveness, panderig, dividing etc.. UPA vs ohrs.. Rahul vs Modi or somevbody else..

    Congress has destroyed India .. we could have grown at 4-6% in preinternet days Idira GAahi’s disastrous policies made us a dirt poor coutry.

    People still voted for them and their parters. The challenge is whetehr BJP/its parters ca nget a majority. They have done it once. They can do agai.n But it needs differet maagemet, approach, plank, packaging etc…Indians are entrepreneurs iat their roots as the liberalization has shown. Centre right BJP will be the choice of a majority if BJP presents itself as a staunch Indian, pro developmet, no holds barred o nterrorism, pride in its 6000 years of glory, (like Chia played this), — get rid of oldies who watn to build temples, do rath yatra etc.. It is stupid and foolish to thnik modern india will vote for them if they build a temple or do a rath yatra.

    The trends are that BJP will screw up this historic opportunity and give the country on a platter to yuvraj instead of giving to Yug Purush modi.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gopi,

    you may think these are small matters and you have a right to believe so. I too have a right to believe otherwise.

    Sonia Gandhi had filed information under the Representation of People Act, while filing details with the Election commission that she is a graduate from Cambridge university. Subramanya Swamy challenged the claim in the SC. Sonia Gandhi “corrected” the false information saying that it was a ’slip’ and the SC “persuaded” Swamy to accept her statement and close the matter.

    Now you may say that it is a small matter, but Swamy may think differently.
    He had filed cases against Raja too and Gandhidas may feel it was a small matter, because Kapil Sibal has told the parliament that there was no loss to the nation and PM himself has said that Raja is not corrupt. Does it mean Swamy has filed frivolous case against Raja?

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Are you part of a serious ring led by

    http://anandkumar1978.blogspot.com/2006/01/rahul-gandhi-mother-******-***-sister.html ?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Recently a court awarded Rs 50 lakh compensation to Rahul Gandhi in a case based on a disinformation campaign.

    Maybe it’s time for another bonanza !

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prabhat

    RSS has plenty more money.

    It will knowingly slander and libel Rahul because it is afraid that Youtful & Modern India is contrary to their Hinduatva view of the world.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Somebody filed a PIL about the religion of Sonia Gandhi in the SC and the SC dismissed the PIL saying that religion is one’s private matter. If it was a frivolous case,why didn’t the court penalise the petitioner by imposing a fine? Why keep the matter a secret, all the while claiming credit for enacting the RTI act?

    A PIL was filed in the Lucknow HC about Rahul Gandy’s arrest at Boston airport. The PIL was dismissed without assigning any reason, but also without granting any relief to Rahul too.

    Therefore, Gandhidasji, if you feel I am spreading disinformation, you have to merely whisper in the ear of Digvinash Singh, with whom you have a guru-chela relationship, as you have claimed.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    What difference Sonia’sreligion makes?

    I repeat,w e can go on yacking about misrepresentations she made in an application frm etc… a good number of people lie on their resume.

    Indians have the choice – fortunately our election system works relatively free of corruption. otherwsie, DMK would not hae lost Tamil Nadu; Marxists would not have lost West bengal, and Congress would not have lost UP. So, let the people choose between the choices – Mrs Gandhia nd company vs a BJP and co.

    Now, I am for a resurgent BJP with strong leadership. Either they fight the election squarely, confront the stupid Digvijay, demonstrate to the people what a poodle Rahul is etc.. This thing about her cambridge application, or for her foreign birthe tc will not touch any chord. The history ad civiliztion of india is one of acceptance. No Indian will suddennly say ” she is not a bahu”.

    Nail congress on 2G/Adarsh/CW etc etc -There is an endless supply.. Going after her application for some sh–, or going after the name Rahul used when he was a student etc will not win any votes Indians – “elites” and masses – have moved beyond that.

    rajiv Reply:

    @Shenoy / Gopi,
    Its for the reporters to ask Sonia what her religion is if thats what they want to know.
    It may be irelevent for me but it should certainly be a on bit of piece of information that would inform public’s appraisal of her.
    In USA , Obama has been asked numerous times about his religion and he has emphatically answered what he is. No one needs to go to court for that. If Obama had said, weather he is Muslim or Christian is a private matter and none of public’s business, forget president, forget Senate, Obama would not be elected to local council. So the question is has Sonia being ever asked that question ? Maybe there is a rason why she never submits herself to questioning from reporters except those bought for by Congress or begin with thinking that she is paragon of virtue in traditional european tradition, what ever that piece of inanity means.

    shan Reply:

    @Prabhat , the f bank managers who would not release a loan unless 20% cut is paid back to the manger, have been reincarnated as die hard hintuva bloggers. As they say about empty vessels and the loudest noise.
    I have read rahul gandhi was arrested as he was reading some FLIGHT MANUAL or other.
    USA in best of times is a POLICE STATE, I have personal experience at the embassy of america in london.After 26/11 AMERICA BECAME HOPPING MAD(words of John Le carre)

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    “After 26/11 AMERICA BECAME HOPPING MAD”
    You meant – 9/11 ?
    On a related Note, try out “Death Of a President” on the same theme. Simply wonderful.
    - Mahesh.

    shan Reply:

    @mahesh thanks , it was an oversight. death of a president is about the assasination of JFK,
    Actually OLIVER STONE’S JFK is equally brilliant , in one meet the press ,he was asked if the assasination of JFK was coup de tat , HE SAID IN ONE WORD YES.
    Actually watch Oliver stone’s NATURAL BORN KILLERS and U TURN , and SALVADOR , america have been made NANGA
    His latest SOUTH OF THE BORDER is a scathing report on the VILE FOREIGN POLICY OF USA in LATIN AMERICA

    And lastly please please watch the german film (I am sure you can download from some sites) LIFE OF OTHERS , it is breathtaking , makes you feel lucky to have been born in INDIA.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shan

    I guess Americans were paranoid after 9/11. Starting from SRK to Indian diplomats even our ministers have been briefly detained or put through body search.

    Actor Neil Mukesh was detained because Americans refused to believe that he was an Indian ! They thought he was carrying a forged passport. Americans have pre-conceived notions that all Indians are dark or brown.

    After Shenoy raised this issue, I searched internet on Rahul gandhi. I was appalled by the disinformation campaign on Rahul Gandhi by some hardcore hindu fundamentalists. I could not believe that people could go down to such level and use such derogatory language against a fellow Indian !

    Though I have difference of opinion with Shenoy and his friends on this blog, I have healthy respect for them.

    But I can not imagine Shenoy being part an organised slander campaign of this order against Rahul Gandhi !

    I really want to know does Shenoy really believe in this disinformation campaign and support actively or he uses them just a matter of argument.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    “Death Of a President” is about fictional assassination of Bush Jr. against the backdrop of his huge un-popularity and widespread agitations. Actually, the assassination plot un-folds in Chicago. Another and – perhaps more important aspect – of the film are the post assassination incidents with focus on Cheney.
    What makes the film much more powerful is the narrative – very documentary type (actually , much closer to the National Geographic in style).
    - Mahesh.
    p.s. : Watched “RainCoat” a few days back. Film is excellent. A wonderful suprise is Ajay Devgan has done exceedingly great.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    Also, thanks for german film suggestion. Will watch whenever possible.
    - Mahesh.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shan Nirad Babu,

    I don’t have to give you any kind of ’safaai’, but please know that among the huge number of public sector organisations, banks are the only enterprises that made profits, even in the face of stiff competition from private sector and foreign banks.

    When a loan account becomes NPA, the manager or the higher-ups become personally answerable, and the punishment for causing financial loss to the bank is severe and quick and the effects are long term, like forfeiture of pension and retirement benefits.

    There is a very efficient system of inspections, internal audits, external audits and vigilance, which comes under the CVC; and answerability and accountability at every level. There are always black sheep, as everywhere else, including the private sector. To tar every manager as corrupt amounts to saying that all government doctors are corrupt. Or all Bengalis are a..li…s of whites, like Shan Nirad Babu.

    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy , disinformation is the only tool of crooks
    5 Till adoption of the prudential norms, twenty-six out of twenty-seven public sector banks were reporting profits (UCO Bank was incurring losses from 1989-90). In the first post-reform year, i.e., 1992-93, the profitability of PSBs as a group turned negative with as many as twelve nationalised banks reporting net losses. The remaining seven nationalised banks could show only marginal profits between Rs. 4 crore and Rs. 38 crore. As on 31 March 1993, only one public sector bank had capital adequacy ratio of above 8 per cent. By March 1996, the outer time limit prescribed for attaining capital adequacy of 8 per cent, eight public sector banks were still short of the prescribed level. The NPAs of the banks aggregating Rs. 39,253 crore as on 31 March 1993 brought the latent weaknesses in their asset portfolio out in the open.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    you are parroting figures, which are nearly two decades old.
    Banks were, in the first instance, nationalised to stop them from being purely and only profit driven lending corporates and to turn them into agencies dispensing social justice through equitable distribution of resources to all sections of society and particularly weaker sections and the lowliest of the lowly on the social ladder. Priority sector lending was incumbent on all banks, only exclusion being foreign banks.

    If you want to show all bank managers were and are corrupt, try to be nearer to the truth. Huge amounts were written off as total loss of assets because of the government’s policies laid down for the banks.

  • Ravi

    Shan

    Eik Bangala Bane Nayaara

    From East to West and then back again, or is it the other way around, and that is the conundrum which the two companion films, East is East and West is West address. The films are in the genre of gentle comedy based on social observations. In that respect, the films are comparable with Four Weddings and a Funeral, Chocolat, Bridget Jones’s Diary, etc.

    Sequels are usually comfortable rather than exciting. Much loved characters are familiar and the plot can scarcely free itself from its moorings and become the source of excitement. Having depicted life of Mirpuri’s in urban Lancashire, the family and location moves to rural Mirpur. Om Puri recreates the role of the Patriarch in West is West just as brilliantly as he did in the first film. I would agree that the role of Our Kid as played by a new actor was impressive. However, I am not sure if his performance was strong enough to have stolen the film from Om Puri.

    The new Director had very little material to play with. The writer had set the film in an era when the radicalisation of Islam and its excesses were not yet evident. That left him with little more than the softer theme of life and times of a cross-cultural man.

    The film ends when the man who – all his life – dreamt of Eik Bangla Bane Nayaara realises, soon after his dream bangla is built, that the dream may have stayed with him over the years in excile, but the man had sufficiently changed as to not feel comfortable living in the very dream bangala that he built.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi, I was not interested to know the plot , for I have seen the film. It is the layers in the narrative. to start with the racism and patronising attitude of the headmaster,explains why so many drop out in that community. next is Pakistan , FROZEN IN YEAR 1700, IN FACTEXPLAINS A LOT ABOUT THIRD WORLD POVERTY.
    Thegreatest moments were when “George” is confronted by his pakistani wife . The conflict in
    Ompuri, particularly the scene where he breaks down in tears
    and the scene which had me in stitches , the prospective “pakistani” bride in salwar kameez blares out in strong rochdale accent. . The allusion to the ruin of a hindu temple about where it all began.
    And being a punjabi yourself would you agree despite the NIKAH , the rest of riyualwas HINDU PUNJABI, the groom on horse , the song , the dancing , the scooping of weedding ring from a bowl of milk.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I agree with you.

    All the rituals are very similar to those of Hindu/Sikh punjabi’s. The irony is that Islam among Pakistani’s is vaneer thin. If they dress in modern European clothes, one can hardly tell the difference. I have been to a number of Muslim Punjabi weddings in the UK, and I did not spot any difference, apart from the “religious” elements.

    I think the Rochdale Bride was a dig at the habbit of some Asians who in pursuit of seeking “conservative” wives go back to the “pind” only to realise that there are conservative girls available in Rochdale, etc.

    I also liked the character played by Ila Arun.

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    it would have been funny to hear, but this is coming from top cricket official of Pakistan, nothing less.

    “Former International Cricket Council (ICC) President Ehsan Mani has accused “archrival” India of trying to exclude Pakistan from every game.
    “India is an archrival of Pakistan which wants to exclude Pakistan from every game, especially in cricket, and to conquer major games of the world by investing money in them,” Mani told Nawa-i-Waqt in a telephonic interview from London.
    He also alleged that Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) President Shashank Manohar did not want Pakistani players to take part in the Indian Premier League (IPL), and that he is in no mood to give chance to Pakistan in the IPL in future.”
    Ordering BCCI to include pakistan in IPL, yes sir, cash rich IPL, so that they can indulge in plundering of Indian wealth and at the same point offer namaz on grounds before and after a match, if won, in front of 90 thousand people in stadium and millions watching on T.V. So, this is their right. Teams not going to Pakistan to play, is fault of BCCI(??) No where, terrorism, as cause has been mentioned. and this statement is being issued in London. Not in Lahore.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shenoy,
    I think rape case and Boston incident repeated hundred times is pure mis-information campaign by clueless RSS wallahs. If these incidents would have really happened, Rahul Gandhi would have been exposed.

    I think it is better to counter Rahul on ideology. One being his kid gloves approach towards Islamic terror which can be compared to RSS approach towards hindu terror.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Nehru led India into a virtual defeat in 1947, losing a large part of the Indian state of J&K, and created a huge problem, which has become a mill-stone around the neck of generations of India’s people.
    But, did the voter who allowed Nehru to rule India from 1946, to 1964 uninterruptedly, care about the blunder?

    Indira Gandhi imposed emergency and millions suffered, yet in 1980 she could triumphantly return to rule for another four years. Did the voters care about the ills of the emergency regime?

    The same thing holds good for Sonia Gandhi and Rahul. You may talk only about issues like Bhatta Parsaul, but to what avail? Will the voter in Mumbai care?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    @Prabhat,

    [I met few people in life who never understood the ramification of their actions. And they behaved exactly like you. They thought they would get away with their brash words / actions because they thought they were resourceful.]

    Are you talking about Rahul Gandhi of Bhatta Parsaul fame or Digvijay of Karakare-phone dame?

    [Call me whatever you like. Since you have decided to meet me in person, I will preserve my replies till then.. Just do not forget all your spoken/written words. Just add them up.]

    I am really scared. Kya tere papa kisi mantri ko jaantein hein..Most of the delhite suffer from this delusion.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    இப்போது ரவி ஷான் பாபு காக்காப்பிடித்து உள்ளது.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I didn’t know you can write in Tamil; I had to ask my wife to read your post!

    There is definitely an unusual but an almost natural bonding between Ravi and Shan Nirad Chowdhury, both of whom are Hindu baiters and envious of India’s progress.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    ப்ரபாட் திக்விஜய் அலுவலகத்தில் தேநீர் பையன் உள்ளது.

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  • pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    went through the pakistani press and even, most liberal of them crave for the parity with India. How they can be at par with India? On what parameters?? Just because they have stolen nuclear technology and feel now we are at par with India? No sir, there is no comparison and Pakistan should leave this pretension of respectability and realize that they are goons of worst order. Either, work as part of global order or suffer consequences. Do not threaten world/ India that ” Hum to doobeyngey sanam, tum ko bhi le doobeyenge hum. Enough is enough.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I think a lot of our older scribes and media people do not have a bigger picture.

    Truth is Pakistan is the size of MP + Rajasthan. And its population is similar to that of UP. MOre importantly its mindest and basic philosophy is comparable to Rwanda or Somalia– thuggery, lies and piracy.

    WHy should we fall to their level ?

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    dear all friends, have been blogging on the greek islands with guess who- illegal pak migrants – nice guys all- and we have been discussing politics and religion

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    these nice guys, illegals, are quite guileful and bewitching. Count your fingers, after shaking hands. hear that Greek econonmy is not doing well. Happy for your contribution towards their economy by touring their lovely islands.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    On second thought, these illegals are those have nots in pakistan, just grinding in labour factories in Greece for their survival. The cunningness and and those predatory instincts are more prevalent in elites and ruling classes just to preserve their hold, not through hard work and sincereity and honesty but through dishonesty, lies and by being too clever by half.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Pankaj,
    “The cunningness and and those predatory instincts are more prevalent in elites and ruling classes just to preserve their hold, not through hard work and sincereity and honesty but through dishonesty, lies and by being too clever by half.”
    Nicely said.
    - Mahesh.

  • shan

    @mahesh , you are absolutely right , though there was a film/documentary by the same name on the assasination of JFK. I was fully aware of that film as it is produced partly by Chanel4 of UK. I have ordered it through the internet ,should arrive in a day or two.Many thanks
    As for Cheney , you must have seen W by Oliver Stone. There is a scene ,the bush cabinet discussing the arguments for and against going to IRAQ WAR. It is EXPLOSIVE.Cheney walks up to a WORLD MAP , and then explains if they subdue iraq , then next , thennext , and then his telling words
    “THIS IS EMPIRE , THE REAL EMPIRE”
    RAINCOAT to me is the best film of Rituporno, Though I highly recommend his DOSHOR , which
    means MATE.The opening scene is a car accident, the female passenger is dead , the male driver seriously injured admitted to hospital. It turns out Prosenjeet , the driver was returning home after a weekend of nookies with his secretary. now the story begins. the secretary’s husband a ordinary man and a respectable one didn’t have a clue. Prosenjeet is a top executine in a MNC.
    The scenes where the secretary’s husband and KONKONA (Prosenjeet’s wife) face each other is incredible. The husband says to KONKONA , quote The hospital gave me her hand bag , in which I found this packet , which i have opened , I think it belongs to you Unquote
    The packet had a diamond ring , with a packet of condoms.
    The best scene in Raincoat to me is when Ajay Devgan opens all the windows which Ash was refusing to open, But as she went out and rain having stopped he didn’t feel any hesitation.
    With the opening of the window also opened up everything ,a kind of symbolic. All the lies that Ash had surrounded herself with was exposed

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    When you say you retain your Indian passport, you are not doing me or any other INdian a favour. You are only satisfying some urge of yours which makes you feel that retaining an Indian passport gives you an advantage– whther sentimental or monetary.

    I still advise you to retain your dignity when you interact with goras…

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay the air head , Sticking with indian passport in a foreign country , has many disadvantages , also TRAVEL is extraordinarily difficult , THERE IS NO MONETARY BENEFIT , I would be happy to be given some clue about montary benefit , so that i can avail them.As for your lot WOULD HAVE SOLD YOUR MOTHER TO GET A BRITISH PASSPORT, as exemplified by MUSHROOM LIKE GROWTH of companies in punjab and haryana OFFERING CONTERFEITING SERVICES and other services to enable the people around those places to EMIGRATE NOT TO NAGPUR BUT GORA LAND , SPECIFICALLY ENGLAND.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    “As for your lot WOULD HAVE SOLD YOUR MOTHER TO GET A BRITISH PASSPORT…..”
    An advice…. take it or leave it……
    Please desist from making such gross and insulting generalisations, no matter what the provocation.
    - Mahesh.

    shan Reply:

    @mahesh , that advice is already in action in 99% of time. that 1% is reserved for illiterates

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Arre baba… Nirad Chaudhari type sycophancy ka time khatam ho gaya… After the Indian IT guys proweld the world, it is about eye to eye with the gora.

    Ab waise bhi UK mein koi manufacturing toh hai nahi. Kewal 100 years old metro and an education system which still desreves respect. In some ways they did to manufacturing what Bengal did– unionise and destroy.

    You know Ratan Tata gave an interview to the British Press that it is difficult to make th British Managers work? Especailly after 5.00

    So get the bigger picture in mind :D

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Never thought of migration or Biritsh passport as I am happy to have the one with trhee lions !! :D

    I enjoy myself in India even as I travel the world. I hope you do the same in the UK…

    shan Reply:

    Dick head vijay the cow dung smearing , cow belt dimwit
    IT in India survives because of CHEAP CHEAP LABOUR , thus outsourcing , like apple I phone , sells at 450 dollars , but china makes 14 cents.
    Still the cutting edge software LIKE SYMBIAN operating system is british invention.
    JUST NAME ONE MICROCHIP THAT IS INVENTED IN INDIA THAT IS WORLD BEATER.
    The british ARM chip is the core of any electronic gadgets.
    Your arguments are uncannily similar to the JEHADIS across the border,who also hate all things western YET LIKE YOU CANT DO WITHOUT VIAGRA A BRITISH INVENTION.
    You are a SAD LOSER, an INCOMPLETE PERSON WALLOWING IN DECEPTION

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    There is no point in debating with a closed mind like you. Personal abuses don’t faze me. They just reveal the lack of you culture and education.

    The last time I had stopped noticing you, you had spent some effort to get into the conversation. Now sadly it is over.

    However as a parting advice I would still tell you to throw your Nirad Chaudhari type of inferioirty complex. The world is changing and changin fast. The time of clining to the balls of a white man and thinking you would get nourishment is over. The first premise of life is self dignity.

    In case you dont respect yourself or your country, I can only pity you. it just reminds me of the time Calcutta was getting attention for all the wrong reasons, While Mother Teresa did admirable work, the saint of the gutters and the city of slums is also a tag which came along. Why did not the pride in the Bengali sttand up and say, ” We admire your work… and are inspired by it. But why do you sell the city to the world as a gutter….?”

    Maybe you won’t understand. like I said, Bengal was sold short by two philosphies. The whiteman’s ball licking Nirad Chaudhari mentality. And we are inferiori to the Chinese the way Charu Mazumdar and Left front tells us. :D

    I have given this longish reply just as a well wisher. I need to interact with the goras as an Engineering consultant, But it is alwas as equal. Why project yourself as poor when the basic poverty is of the mind??

    shan Reply:

    @vijay,never had any doubt in mind about an area of darkness called COW BELT.
    The ENGINEERING THAT YOU TALK ABOUT AND THE LANGUAGE YOU MASTER ,YES SELL YOUR SOUL TO MASTER A PARTICULAR FOREIGN LANGUAGE , IS THAT COW BELT LANGUAGE, just a thought.
    I am a Namak halal you are a NAMAK HARAM.
    Your feeling for your country begins and ends with muslim/pakistan bashing , you are in good company of former ghoos taker ,another who had taken up US nationality at the first oppertuinity.

    “The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity” Andre Gide

    “Hypocrisy and distortion are passing currents under the name of religion and country
    Mahatma Gandhi

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Shan

    You were abusive initially … now getting incoherent. Now either give up the glue sniffing :D or give up the blog… :D

  • Mahesh

    Shenoy and Rajeev,
    Guys – why don’t you provide english translation of those “Tamil things” Rajeev has posted ?
    Perhaps , those whom it was directed to and others could get a sense of your sensibilities.
    - Mahesh.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh,

    what a preposterous suggestion you have made, asking me to provide English translation of a post in Tamil script Rajeev has made?

    Are you really ignorant of the fact that there are four major national languages in the south of India-Tamil, Kannada, Telugu and Malayalam?

    How do you take it for granted that because both of us are south Indians, Tamil must be known to both?

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Please allow me to bring up your post in the previous page :
    “Rajeev,

    I didn’t know you can write in Tamil; I had to ask my wife to read your post!

    There is definitely an unusual but an almost natural bonding between Ravi and Shan Nirad Chowdhury, both of whom are Hindu baiters and envious of India’s progress.”

    Do you dis-own your comment ? Do you dis-own that you understood the comment via your wife ?
    - Mahesh.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh,

    like your icon, you are showing signs of being a mandh-budhi.

    Where did I disown my comment?
    My comment is proof enough that I don’t know Tamil.
    If I explain the sense to you, I am sure, you too would get the ’saensibility’ of the comment. Does it make you Tamil knowing?

    What strange logic, Mahesh!

    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    My Icon ? And what is that ? Would love to be educated on this.
    “My comment is proof enough that I don’t know Tamil.
    If I explain the sense to you, I am sure, you too would get the ’saensibility’ of the comment.”
    There you go again. Obfuscating the point.
    You understood the comment via someone knowing Tamil. I asked for its meaning so that others on the forum could including me could understand as well. Where did I imply you knew Tamil ?
    That said , why not be explicit and provide the translation ? Why leave room for speculation about what is “unusual bonding” ? Are you ashamed of being explicit ?
    - Mahesh.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    A little curious – are you ashamed of posting the meaning of Rajeev’s Tamil comments ?
    - Mahesh.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    If you are not the mandh-budhi you have shown yourself to be, you would have guessed, by my reply to Rajeev that it pertained to the “unusual” bonding between the two mentioned.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Prabhat

    Your paper reports that the CBDT chairman was questioned by IB for removing bigs from his office.

    Now in your esteemd opinion who could have put the bugs? Here are a few suggestions

    a) CIA, MOssad and EU in a grand plot against the third world

    b) Digvinash and Yuvraj playing I-Spy on fellow collegues that they may laucnch a probe into foreign accounts.

    c) Wrigley and Centre Fresh chewing companies to gt nation wide publicity.

    Loofk forward to hearing from You :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Why not the team BJP ?

    Are they not keen for the next clue ?

    Anyway the whole Govt. power corridor is full of ( Dy Secy and SO level people ) BJP Sympathisers .

    RSS always dictated who should be FM in NDA. So the finance ministry always BJP/RSS sympatisers.

    Start with this clue. You will make some headway.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    SO the chewing gum mystery is also going to be blamed on the BJP doors.

    Arre Baba… I have a feeling that the next time the COngress spokemen have a bout of diarrhea they are going to the doc an shout out BJP BJP BJP… :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The next ad from the chewing gum company would be

    “come ye all,
    mandh-buddhi’s and teevra-buddhi’s
    ati-buddhi’s and nirbuddhi’s

    chew this gum, chew this gum
    jitna bhi praise kare, phir bhi kum
    sarkar ko hila diya yeh chewing gum
    sarkar pareshan,badh gaya uska ghum
    Pranabda be-haal, MMS ghumsum
    chew this gum, chew this gum”

    Ravi Reply:

    The next chant of a Sanghi will be.

    Humdrum humdrum, all this is humdrum
    Govt kuch kare, ya kuch na kare
    Hamari khilafat rahegi, humdrum, humdrum
    Itane ilzaam lagaye, phir bhi hain kuch kum
    Bhagwat aur Advani, ke vichar sunain har dum
    hum hain monotonous, hamare khayal humdrum

    Rajeev Reply:

    Chant of a Wahabi-
    Humdrum humdrum, all this is humdrum
    Govt kuch kare, ya kuch na kare
    Hamari khilafat rahegi, humdrum, humdrum
    Itane ilzaam lagaye, phir bhi hain kuch kum
    Osama aur Saeed, ke vichar sunain har dum
    hum hain monotonous, hamare khayal humdrum

    Ravi Reply:

    I agree, there is very little difference between a Sanghi and a Wahabi

    Rajeev Reply:

    You see I can smell a Wahabi in you everytime you spew Islamic propaganda on this. The Sangis are yet to indulge in suicide blasts like you wahabis.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Wahabies are getting stung by American honeybees,
    in their bonnets, there are always millions of jihadi bees
    never allowing them to dot their i’s and cross their tees.
    Now, no sharab for them, only teas.

    Ravi Reply:

    The American Honeybees have also got the RSS in their sight.

    Tea for you too.

    Replacing One kind of FUNDO with another kind of FUNDO is no sloution.

    Grow up.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy and Prabhat

    Marvellous effort !!

    Ab COngress na bole “jan gan man…”
    Kewal Chewing gum… Chewing gum

    :D

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  • nirad choudhuri

    @vijay ,people living in glass house should not throw stones at others .
    You do not have to travel far and wide , it is right there at the very place you inhabit.
    Deception can lead you only so far , one day the pants will drop

    he Sikh clergy have made it clear that if the Queen’s visit to the Golden Temple goes ahead, they will bend over backwards to make her comfortable. At most religious sites in the East one has to remove shoes; at the Golden Temple the socks have to go, too, and feet have to be washed in the pool. By special dispensation, however, the Queen will be spared this indignity, providing only that she changes into a fresh pair of socks that have been laundered since their previous contact with leather. She will also be allowed to keep her usual hat on.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Nirad Bore Babu,

    at high class *****-houses in London, you have to leave your underwear outside, but Nirad Babu is allowed to keep his English hat on, as a special concession to decades of servility to the British crown and people.

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    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy ,you probably do that right in your garment factory , take your garment off and ask your preferred employee to take her off , else that muslim employee is shown the door.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Shan nirad C Chaudhari

    I think a better way to get back diginity in your life would be to drop the Nirad Chaudhari type inferioirty complex and stop clinging to the whiteman’s balls. :D Rather than inane re;ligiously insulting postings…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Please drop this Bengali debate. A person like you should not indulge in regionalism. Let us not forget that same Bengali community gave us true leader Subhash Bose and revolutionaries like Jatin Das and Khudiram Bose.

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    shan Reply:

    It would be good to practise what you preach.For a starter LEAVE THIS WHITE MAN’S LANGUAGE BLOG and move to your cow worshipping language blog.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev

    There is no bengali debate from my side. And I mean it. I was just debating aginst a certain sort of pretence which stops people from seeing the clear truth. My best friends are Bongs. My senior manager is a bong. I loved my time there. And my favourite musician and singer is S D (not RD ) burman.

    but…

    I am just trying to deflate a certian Nirad Chaudhari type of viewpoint which many Indians took up before the ninties. before the IT guys bought back dignity to being Indians abroad. And that viewpoint is the Nirad Chaudhari typer inferiority complex where you needed to make fun of mother India to get funds for an NGO or for your own scholorship outside,

    Even the suggestions I gave for improving the situation in bengal was really from the heart. It does need a margaret tatcher type of leader. And as for the work done by mother Teresa. i admire that.

    But I do detest the tag of City of Slums which came along with it… :D

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  • shan

    I show my love for India by refusing to take up british passport ,despite overwhelming scope to do so.
    But I detest and am ashamed to think that my country still has COW WORSHIPPERS , and phony ,and the leftovers of an antiquated world view. Most of these are corrupt to the boot and hide their deception with the cloak of holier than thou pseudo nationalism

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Shan,

    I am really surprised at you. What is wrong with so called cow worshippers. Why everybody
    should be like you want. India is unique because of its unity in diversity. We have
    different type of people with different views which we may not like it but we should
    learn to respect them/their views as long us no one is hurting anybody.

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    shan Reply:

    @MohanR, tolerance can also mean INDIFFERENCE, cow worship is a reflection of a mindset frozen in superstition and antiquated modes of thought. just like child marriage , polygamy was outlawed , TOLERANCE to other people’sway of life was thought to be an impediment to social progress , SAME LOGIC HERE

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    Mohan R Reply:

    Shan,

    Funny logic. You mean to say whoever worships cow will tolerate polygamy, child marriage.
    How can you compare completely two different thing. Sorry, I dont agree with you.
    Though I myself do not believe in cow worship but I dont have any problem if anybody
    is doing so. That is his life.

    Arshed Gulshan Reply:

    If you can work ship the unknown by giving it some name, then there is nothing wrong in workshipping cow.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ravi

    Your chant of labelling anybody and everybody as a Sanghi takes the debate off tangent. I think being an NRi you are out of touch with the ground realities in India.

    You have to realise that the RSS even though outdated at times its ideals is basically a nationalist organisation. It wants to make India stronger. Unlike the wahabbis who want to be subversive to the idea of a Pan Arab force and want to convert everyone to their ideal of an Islamic world.

    The RSS can take up the cause of Hindus as long as it remains a nationalist organisation. It goes wrong in case it tries to make it a violent crusade against non hindus– or religions which it feels did not originate in India.

    In my view– and that of many bloggers here– the RSS needs to course correct and free Hinduism of the many ills which still bedevil it– like casteism and superstition. But it has a full right to exist as it DOES NOT talk about demolishing India.

    Wahabbi Islam talks about demolishing India.

    Being a Sikh you must realise that even the Akali Dal at times takes up wrong issues– like ostrascising nirankaris or giving males more rights in inherited property. But it does not mean that the Akalis should be banned. Thye need to course correct.

    But in contrast Wahabbis– whose founding ideology is conversion or killing need to be extrminated.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    ~~ :D :D ~~ :D ~ WHAT IS WRONG WITH COW WORSHIP ? ~~ :D :D ~~ :D ~~

    There is a tendency among some Indians, especially the new migrants to make fun of the respect north India gives to cows. As far as I am concerned, eating food is a matter of choice. In a world where reptiles, snakes, cockroaches and birds are also eaten, I guess for a non vegetarian guy, eating a cow may be logical…

    But… I would respect a guy who DOES NOT eat a cow. Why ?

    Which milk do you drink when you leave your mother’s milk ?? — cow’s milk

    The first food a person takes from outside his mother’s body. And takes it lifelong.

    So if some people or religions respect the animal which nourishes you– why make fun of them????

    In fact Gandhi and many economists have pointed out the integral role cows had in a village economy. From Tilling, to milk, to providing for manure.

    I think making fun of Hindus who respect the cow does not make you more macho or more of a gora. Just shows the fanatic side of you… :D :D

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    shan Reply:

    Loving and adoring and caring for a cow is one thing , OFFERING PUJA IS ANOTHER , those who subscribe to that obscurantism , are no different to wahabis who also do not allow reason in any discourse . Same with smearing cow dung on the umbilicus of new born ,a practice among cow worshippers , thankfully outlawed , because of inevitable neonatal tetanus.
    Also cow woshipping is a mindset , an AREA OF DARKNESS, where ghoos taking is okay , beating dalits is okay, remaining frozen in stone age is okay, HYPOCRICY AND DECEPTION IS DEFINITELY OKAY

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Shan– there is nothing wrong in anybody worshipping anything..you may not; but u dont have any right to criticize..they dont become “wahabis” for just worshipping cows…u become a wahabi if the cow worshipper says that is the only form of worship, commit terro to make that happen because all non cow guys have to be labelled as non-believers.

    and it cannot be generalized that cow worshippers beat up dalits etc..

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    What, in your opinion labelling every one as a Whahabi, does.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bravo vijay;
    Going strong. I acknowledge that others have right to disagree, but, lately, it has become a fashion to use word Sanghi, as an Insult. Why??can be discussed in next blog.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Shan

    I am equally against people who target Dalits as I am against the nirad chausdhari types who hang to whiteman’s balls. :D

    I am against superstition as well as against losing one’s dignity for getting a scholorship or selling one’s country to sound like a foreigner.

    Anyway our discourse has gone on for a long time. i think you should think about my good intentions even when you scream and abuse. :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Excellent posts. You have outdone yourself, leaving nothing to people like me. And you are absolutely right about the Nirad Chowdhuries, now infesting UK and other white countries, trying to prance like goras do and pretend that they are accepted as white.

    Nirad Babu is representative of the class of people who are actually the neo-dalits of theBritish empire. Nirad Babu used to be fully suited, booted and neck-tied, even while going to the toilet! That was his way of thumbing his nose at the Indian dark-skins and Shaan Babu has taken off from where Nirad Babu left.

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    shan Reply:

    Mutual B a l l scratching society

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Prabhat

    I believe a recent survey has shown that the Congress popularity has fallen to the the lowest and as per the pollsters the Congress onw gets about 110 seats all over india

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Who will get the balance seats?

    The survey is about today or 2014 ?

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  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Agree with your comments. Shan, we can engage in this discussion about cow and other animals in our next blog. It could be fun and education, both ways.

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  • Rakesh Katyal

    What about a Lokpal for the journalists Mr Sharma. Too many of them nowadays are sold out to political parties and corporate houses.

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  • Faulitics

    Roy’s grasshoppers is not actually a view of the future of India but more like a view of Roy’s fantasy about the destruction of India. Looks like Zia also shares that fantasy. This country will survive both of these worthies and their perverse fantasy about the destruction of the land which gave them all they have now.

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  • Anonymous

    What is democracy without dissent?—– Say that to tasleema to rushdie

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  • Anonymous

    How cleverly has Zia skipped Hyderabad blast? He is one of those people who support Islamic terror ideologically.

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    Phati Chuddy Reply:

    The blasts in Hyderabad were engineered by the Congress to threaten states ruled by other political parties; they were a threat to them so that thy must fall in line and support NCTC. Resultantly, Mamata Banerjee has agreed; Narender Modi and Jayalalitha would be obliged to agree next. Moreover, Kiran Kumar Reddy is facing internal trouble; his bete noire Jagan too is notorious for exploding such crackers – like father, lke son. and then every blast is an open invitation to the Sangh Parivarist police to arrest and torture educated and well-placed muslim youth, in order to demoralize and demonize them.

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  • Munir

    The fact is that socialism and Marxism did take India towards apocalypse. There are not signs that a fusion of socialism and capitalism will. It is her opinion based on her political and ideological inclination. She does not provide any factual concrete evidence to support her point.

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  • Narendra modi

    This Zeehadi harmajada in disguise Zia haq’s favorite one line from lunatic Arndhati Roy’s prose is her mention of Hindu fanaticism. This is for which Zia , a taleban supporter who never bothered that 2 % Hindus in Paksitan are the story of worst human sufferings of rape, state sponsored terrorism to convert them to Isalm and thier women raped and converted. These does nor affect this Zehadi Harami who is never thought why since partion of Hindu majority India nd Isalmic Paksitan for which Zia’ ancestor voted 86% Muslim voted for Paksitan. Why the majority hindus should tolerate any Musslaman harami like Zia. He should go back to Paksitan liek all the Hindus were kicked out from paksitan to India. It is high time these traitors who are hell bent to destroy Hindu majority India should be identified and taught a lesson. I hope 2014 will bring Mr.Modi as PM and BJP in power and we then re-strat a dialouge for 1) EXCHANGE OF POPULATION WITH PAKISTANI HINDUS AND SIKHS, 2) DEPORTATION OF ALL ILLEGAL BANGLADESHI AND PAKISTANI MUSLIM AND UNIFORM CIVIL CODE.AND LASTLY IDENTIFY A TERROR MO9DULE OF ISLAMIC TERROR AND IT’S SYMPATHISER LIKE ZIA HAQ AND ARUNDHATI ROY.

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  • SURAJ

    Zia and Roy are concerned about rightists but Muslims continue to massacre civilians in bomb blasts all over India. What about decimation of native Pandits from Kashmir? Are rightists or Muslims responsible for that?

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  • THIRD EYE

    Democracy is the most comfortable and convenient vehicle for MUSLIMS to ride on for their DESTINATION of AN I5LAMIC STATE. with SHARIA. In a democracy they can breed like pigs to gain control by sheer numbers.

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  • butter

    arundhati ka paaltu katua.

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  • raj

    ok, the current system is bad. is there any alternative or corrective measures to fix the system, by these liberal lights ? we know what socialism & license raj has made us. what happend to nehurian utopia promised ?

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  • srinivas

    Agree of this ,for the argument,sake what is the option. Do we go to the 24X7 hartal culture ,militant trade unionism that ruined the lifes of millions of indians. Support Naxals in preventing development. Give solutions dont preach ,if we want we can go to a Muth than reading such books

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  • TheJoker

    ya, and Hindus of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir valley, Afghanistan get subsidies for trip to Kaillash Mansarovar.

    Hindus also rule the Karachi film industry like the Khans do in India. Hindu was also captain of Pakistani cricket team for many years.
    Hindus have their own pakistan govt funded Vidyalayas that are famous for teaching the Facist Vedas to Hindu kids and making Hindu Saffron Terrorists out of them,
    Hindus of POK have wiped out Kashmiri Sufi muslims from Kashmir Valley of Pakistan.

    Pakistan is bleeding because of AK 47 Carrying Hindus spreading terror, in that area.

    Hindus also get scholarship and free higher education in Pakistan like muslims of Andhra pradesh and UP get here in India.

    Hindus are always fighting with each other in India-.Brahmins killing thakurs killing Banias killing OBCs Killing SC-STs and vice versa et al.

    While SHIA-SUNNIS, wahaabbi -Sufis, Barelvis-Salafis, AShrafs-Aljafs-Arzals are showering each other WITH LOVE IN PAKISTAN.

    Hindus do terror attacks across pakistan.

    Recently 9 Hindu Saffron terrorists had carried out a terror attack in Karachi by randomly shooting 190 people and destroying 3 hotels and also killing a PARSEE family in Karachi’s Parsee house and the whole operation was being carried out by remote control from Famous international terrorist Praveen Togadia n party….including RAW.

    Hindu Dons rule Karachi’s underworld and film industry, the king of karachi’s underworld is SHri Dawoodesh Ibrahmin, a pundit who carried out the serial blasts of karachi and killed 700 innocent people to retaliate against muslims who had destroyed a Hindu temple in Islamyodhya(holy city of Pakistan and birthplace of Popat MohMAD ( that temple was built by Hindu Invader king Ram by destroying Islam’s most holy mosque in town of Islamyodhya, birthplace of popet MohMAD).

    1200 years of Hindu rule had destroyed lakhs of mosques inside pakistan, and converted/killed millions of innocent non-violent muslims forcibly to Hinduism.

    In 1947, fascist Hindus wiped out Non-violent muslims from India, while population of Hindus has never stopped increasing inside Pakistan since Independence due to overbreeding by Hindus and constant illegal infiltration of Hindu Indians into pakistan through the porous Punjab, Rajasthan Border.

    Even today Hindus inside India are abducting beautiful, young muslim girls and forcibly converting them into Hinduism and marrying them.

    Young Muslim boys are being converted LIVE in TV studios of India.

    Hindus inside India riot regularly against peaceful non-violent muslims, especially after Tuesday prayers in Temples, where the PUROHIT (priest) provokes Hindus to go and attack Muslim Adharmis…..

    this is because

    MUSLIM’s Holy Book Quran teaches Secularism and Love for all religions, while Hindu Holy books teach hatred and Violence against All Non-hindus and asks Hindus to establish RAAM RAJYA all over the world by hook or by crook.

    And all this while selfish corrupt muslim politicians of pakistan continue to Pamper Hindus for Hindu Vote-bank.

    Hindus have also doing terror attacks in NYC(9/11 was done by Hindus with Mossad and CIA help and total plan was hatched by Praveen Togadia), London bombings(british hindus trained in the terror camps of Badrinath, kedarnath in uttarakhand), Madrid bombings, Hindus also kiled Theodore vanGogh because he made an anti-hindu film, the hindus stabbed him to death in broad daylight in AMsterdam, Hindus also plotted to blow up the Danish Newspaper office in Copenhagen; the plot was hatched by Sahvi pragya, becoz the danish newspaper had published cartoons of Lord SHiva, hindus are terrorizing the world from Morocco to Libya to Egypt to Somalia (Al-saffron gang), to Algeria, Mali, Nigeria(Boko Paap Gang), Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Israel, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Turkey, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, ALbania, Dagestan, Chechnya, Moscow bombings, Uzbekistan, Xinjiang-China, Pakistan, Afghanistan(whole mountain range is called Muslim-Kush=Muslim $LAUGHTER), Pakistan, Bangladesh, kashmir valley(hindus have made 600,000 innocent muslims refugees in their own land), North Kerala, Arakan-burma(hindu rohingyas fighting with Buddhists there), SOuth Thailand, Indonesia(Bali bombing was done by Hindus), SOuth Phillipines(Abu-Saffron Terror Gang) etc…..all over the world Hindus are a menace.

    So u see, Hindus are very bad!! Muslims are very SEcular, Non-violent and SAD.
    Islam Zindabaad, Sanaatan Dharma Murdabaad.

    Note: popet MohMad learned Secularism, NON-VIolence and strict Vegetarianism from the JAINS of Saudi arabia…an extremely fanatically NON-VIOLENT people, who do not engage in Violence even when self defense is necessary….they prefer to die rathar then retaliate. thats why ISLAM is SO peaceful.

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEHE HOHO AAHA!

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    Raj Reply:

    Dude, I just loved your post. Pl send it to Arundhati Roy. She needs some serious help!

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  • Raghavendra

    Mr Zia haq you dont feel MUSLIM fanaticism hurt INDIA? who created PAKISTAN? that was not created by RSS or BJP. you people do all dirty things and blame RSS for all your sins?

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  • Anon

    May be u agree with her point or not. That is not the issue we need to think ryt now. We need to introspect certain things. First of all, all the corruption that we see has a corporate hand in it right from 2g scam,coal scam etc are all related with politicians and corporates. Walmart has openly mentioned they ve lobbied for 125 or some crores for getting things wid india. So v need to think now. Is the money going to the ryt ppl? the divide between the rich n poor is increasing. You myt argue poverty line is decreasing but wen CMs and some ministers come out and talk about providing 600rs per month is sufficient for a family or 32rs/day is sufficient, u can decide the way in which v define poverty in our country.Obviously, the poverty number would decline. I do accept the middle class has come up but the rich poor divide is increasing.

    Besides that you can see many issues in the forests where corporates are trying to get the land displacing ppl not giving proper compensation. had v been living in a house n asked to vacate it since an industry is coming without good compensation,then v wud know the pain better..

    Thirdly, Its not about hindus or muslims. Whether she has a soft corner for a community or minority is secondary, Had there been a massacre by TERRORIST on hindus u need to target them and not the innocent ppl. Godhra riots is unpardonable. Though hindus were killed, a democratically elected state cannot promote or support it. Not even has he ever apologised for it. targeting some comunity coz they were the socalled enemies doesnt support ur cause. Both sides lost life and the state administration has to take responsibility which badly failed. Cant just name it MOB atack.

    BTW,Kashmir,manipur,etc have afspa.and if the army or policemen doesnt like u,he can jail u immediately and brand u as terrorist.There are unmarked graves. If u r in a state surrounded by police who actually dont have ryts at all.freedom at all. u ve seen children dying for no reason of theirs.and NOW u say u r in a democracy with free press and stop airing reports of afzal guru s death, and ban all newspaper publishing abt it or saying anything. WHERE IS DEMOCRACY HERE? when the Killer of PM is still in jail serving life sentence,why is there a hurry to kill afzal guru when a state(which is already tired of the military power) is doubtful if he was framed by the police or actually the terrorist.?Therez seriously some conspiracy.If he was really the terrorist no doubt he shud be treated the way he was,if he was an innocent person then he doesnt deserve this. when a state burns bcoz of his death,something needs to be done, like reopen the case n try to solve it.but they want the state to burn again

    FYI,I read that book.. I dont agree evry thing she says.. But therez always something to introspect.It raises doubts. Both the major parties have had their own corruption charges and looting,riots and everything. Its better v need to start finding solutions and look ahead of using our ryts.v r not a perfect democracy. v all know that.Wen FB comments can take u to jail.. so pls think and just dont deny and consider the things v live in is the best. Politicians n corporates are loting us daily in one scam or the other

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    Mushawarat writes to President about murder and threat to
    Mewatis by Mathura Police

    All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat / The Milli Gazette Online

    Published Online: Feb 27, 2013

    New Delhi, 27 February 2013: President of the All
    India Muslim Majlis-e Mushawarat, the umbrella body of India Muslim
    organisations and eminent personalities, Dr Zafarul-Islam Khan wrote today to
    the President of India, Prime Minister, Union Home Minister, chairmen of the
    National Human Rights and National Minorities commissions, U.P. chief minister
    and others about glaring Police lawlessness in Mathura where Mewati Muslims have
    been killed in fake encounters and threatened that they will be killed if they
    ventured into Mathura. AIMMM president took cognisance of a
    report published in yesterday’s Inquilab Urdu daily which is
    translated below.

    The AIMMM president has asked the President and
    other responsible leaders of the Union and U.P. state governments to take action
    against this lawlessness by people in uniform. Following is the full text of the
    letter and a translation of the Inquilab
    report:

    27 February 2013

    Shri Pranab Mukerjee

    Hon’ble President of India

    New Delhi

    Respected Sir,

    I am writing to you with a heavy heart. This is
    not an overstatement in the backdrop of the free-for-all race to kidnap, arrest,
    kill, incarcerate for years without trial, torture in secret safe houses, police
    stations and even inside jails. This rush to persecute and criminalize the
    Muslim community, especially the Muslim youth, has been going on since at least
    2001 when the BJP was in power and has continued unabated under the Congress
    rule at the Centre. Police, Intelligence, Special Cell, ATS, STF and umpteen
    other open and secret agencies are going about their unending persecution game
    as if there is no constitution or law or judiciary in the country. The latest
    blind arrests in Hyderabad and beyond are staring us in our disbelieving eyes at
    this point of time.

    Direct and unprovoked police attack on the Muslim
    community has been widely reported in recent years. Cases of Hashimpura &
    Maliana (22 May 1987), Beemmapalli (17 May 2009), Forbesganj (3 June 2011),
    Moradabad (6 July 2011), Gopalgarh (14 September 2011), Rudrapur (2 October
    2011) and more recently Dhule (6 January 2013) are only some glaring examples
    known to all but apart from lip service, nothing concrete has been done to stop
    and detoxify this menace of an utterly communalized and biased force.

    The immediate provocation that made me write this
    letter is a news item in a respectable Urdu newspaper which shows how our police
    has become an unbridled beast, killing innocents at will and behaving as if it
    is law unto itself. I am afraid this menace will not stop with the Muslim
    community. Instead, a day will come when no one’s life and honour will be safe
    in our country at the hands of these beasts in uniform. I have got this report
    translated in full for your convenience. The same is attached herewith alongwith
    the original Urdu report.

    The S.P. Mathura referred to in the report is
    Pradeep Yadav and Advocate Sher Muhammad referred to in the report may be
    contacted at 09812006792.

    Kindly take whatever action is possible under law
    at your end.

    Yours sincerely,

    Dr Zafarul-Islam Khan

    President

    ALL INDIA MUSLIM
    MAJLIS-E-MUSHAWARAT

    [Umbrella body of the Indian Muslim
    organisations]

    D-250, Abul Fazal Enclave, Jamia Nagar, New
    Delhi-110025 India

    Tel.: 011-26946780 Fax:
    011-26947346

    Email: mushawarat@mushawarat.com Web: http://www.mushawarat.com

    “If anyone of you comes to Mathura, his
    fate will be similar to that of Shabbir”

    By Farzan Qureshi

    New Delhi: “Government has given us the licence
    to kill people. If any Mewati came to Mathura, he too will be killed”.

    Sarpanch Mumtaz Ali of Rethat village of Mewat
    district said this quoting Mathura Police. The background of this warning by
    Mathura Police is that at about 10 p.m. on 20 February, two real brothers, both
    truck drivers living in Rethat village of Mewat district, were driving their
    truck towards Mathura. On their way, they stopped at Chaudhari dhaba
    for taking their dinner. After dinner, the younger brother Shabbir went to
    the toilet. On his return, a police officer stopped him and questioned him. When
    he told his name and the district he came from, the police officer took him
    along and subsequently shot him dead. Police claimed that he was killed in a
    “encounter” while people of his village say that he was killed in a fake
    encounter. Sarpanch Mumtaz Ali accused that on 23 February the Mathura police
    had threatened us in front of all members of the Panchayet that “government has
    given us the licence to kill people and if anyone of you came to Mathura he too
    will meet the same fate as that of Shabbir”. The police officer also said that
    “so far I have killed 16 persons”.

    Mumtaz Ali further said that police did not
    register any FIR even five days after Shabbir’s murder, neither handed over his
    dead body to us nor allowed us to bury his body nor gave us his medical report”.
    He added that (in the absence of these things) on what ground can we file a
    case. He added that villagers are not much educated people and hence police
    keeps frightening and threatening them every now and then. He said that if we
    get his dead body, we would have got post-mortem done and initiate some action.
    He further said that Mewat’s S.P. has told Mathura police not to give Shabbir’s
    dead body to these people, otherwise they will sit on a dharna and
    indulge in disturbances. Mumtaz Ali alleged that when we went to the Mathura
    Police for taking Shabbir’s dead body, policemen told us that the S.P. very much
    hates the people of Mewat, so it is better if you do not meet him. Policemen
    even told us that you people are very lucky that we showed you Shabbir’s dead
    body, otherwise we do not show the dead bodies of persons whom we kill.

    Mumtaz Ali said that Mathura police has so far
    killed five-six youths of Mewat and after killing them they either burn them or
    bury them instead of giving the bodies to anyone. He also revealed that before
    actually murdering Shabbir, one grave was already dug and kept ready in Mathura
    city two days prior to the murder. This proves that police had deliberately
    killed Shabbir in an encounter. Mumtaz said, while describing the conditions in
    Shabbir’s house and village, that there is mourning in his house and his mother,
    wife and two daughters are totally broken down. A wave of fear prevails in the
    village and no one is taking care of us.

    Meanwhile, reacting to the police claim openly
    that government has given them the licence to kill, advocate Sher Muhammad said
    that we are trying to gather proofs and witnesses for filing a case in the High
    Court. He added that this was a fake encounter and even if police has got the
    post-mortem done, it will be according to its own liking. He said that we were
    not allowed to bury Shabbir’s dead body. Instead, the police buried it on its
    own and did not even allow his mother and wife to look at it.

    Inquilab Urdu daily, Delhi, 26 Feb 2013 [Translated from
    Urdu]

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  • Javed

    the things Ms Roy wants to sell us aggressively in disguise – anarchy, communism, forever rebelling etc have all practically flopped big time – and have few misguided takers.

    So Roy’s understanding & grasp of this subject matter is dubious.

    Okay lets park her erudite prose & all that. Lets cut the **** & come to the point.

    Having read her book – what have you written about it. You have just made some fence-sitter analysis of it really. You have not swung one way or another. You are one of few people who read the book and were not moved to do something – not even write forget about doing something.

    That is the problem with Ms Roy – she fantasizes of change the course of world history through her cryptic misguided writing. And when pointed out she is really this failure she will take shelter in her bubble of “intellectualism”

    The brutal fact is that she is irrelevant, she doesn’t matter to a modern india and she will fade away unnoticed. Even her admirers dont have the courage to go beyong BAU parise her prose – praise her thoughts etc

    She herself has to blame – for true visionaries who have shaped this world – did it naturally – they didnt do it for intellectual brownie points – they did shocking things because they passionately believed in something. Ms Roy is artificial intellectual – she wants to feed her ego. The fodder is her writing. She is blessed with good english but doesnt know what to do with it apart from fulfilling narcissist orgies

    It sounds strange but through her cryptic irrational writing she has adulterous wild fcuk with her ego

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  • Sukh Virk

    oh please

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  • Sukh Virk

    you’re all full of hot air

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