Lokpal scrutiny will add to PM’s prestige



I’ve a hunch that the government will agree eventually to place the office of the Prime Minister under the proposed lokpal. That’s the inference I have drawn on reading Pranab Mukherjee’s statement in conjunction with that of Digvijaya Singh.

The strategy apparently is to take full credit for the decision rather than coming across as acting under civil society’s pressure.

Digvijaya has since gone back on his publicly expressed view to make the Prime Minister accountable. I still believe the PM, the judiciary, non-government organisations and industrial houses (about whom Anna Hazare and Ramdev haven’t much spoken) be brought under the lokpal.

Besides the PM’s office, the government also has problems giving it jurisdiction over the judiciary and members of parliament for their actions on the floor of the House. The last two exemptions can be forcefully argued on the basis of separation of powers under the constitutional scheme. But the same doesn’t hold for the Prime Minister who is just the first among the equals in the Cabinet form of governance.

So if ministers are to be accountable to the ombudsman, why not the PM? Skeptics with whom I don’t entirely agree insist the lokpal oversight could cramp the PM whose duties encompass matters of grave national import that cannot be open to scrutiny. It entails, among other things, use of secret service funds, espionage abroad, propping up surrogates, extending favours in return of support in international forums, quid pro quos with world powers and deals with strings attached to beat partisan international regimes such as those brought in the wake of Pokhran I and II.

Not all is clean and honest about statecraft. Neither is there any legal way of collecting intelligence abroad, as a former chief of the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) told Morarji Desai who confronted him with the comment: “You seem to be doing a lot of illegal things.” That happened in 1977 under the Janata Party rule post-Emergency and the JP-led movement against corruption and autocracy. Morarji didn’t last his tenure. RAW’s still there.

A whole lot of politicians cutting across party lines agree with these surmises. They say the PM cannot be shackled in the way civil society groups want him to be; more so when he represents the country abroad. I for one believe that by offering himself to the lokpal’s authority, the PM will vest in his office the prestige it has lost in great measure in recent decades. A compromise could perhaps be that the PM be retrospectively probed on completion of his tenure or upon demitting office. That’ll be a good enough deterrent for worthies who get to occupy the top office.

Other safeguards at the lokpal end could include a mandatory full bench decision to initiate any inquiry on establishment of a prima facie case against the ex-PM. If agreed upon, the measure will obviate misuse – by political vested interests and agent provocateurs — of the anti-graft law to render the government and its top executive dysfunctional.

As for the judiciary and members of parliament, the answer lies perhaps in a robust system of transparency and accountability — that can be activated from outside by the lokpal or any other independent entity — but remains within the ambit of these two institutions. For starters, the judges’ accountability bill must be thrown open for a public debate by top jurists and students of law rather than motley civil society groups driven by populist sentiments.

The lokpal would have powers to probe MPs for their actions outside Parliament. But for what they do inside, there is need to revisit the mandate of ethics committees of the two Houses that acquitted themselves honorably by expelling a dozen MPs in the wake of the cash for query scandal.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    “I for one believe that by offering himself to the Lok Pal’s authority, the PM will vest in his office the prestige it has lost in great measure in recent decades”

    Corrigendum, Pl read it as

    ” I for one believe that by offering himself to the Lok Pal’s authority, the PM will vest in his office the prestige it has lost in great measure in recent months ”

    Personally I believe that PM should not be under the ambit of the Lokpal in a normal manner , for reasons already stated above by Mr VS. but there could be a special collegium of very high positions to filter complaints if any and then refer to the Lokpal as that body shall have investigative skills.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    Good to know that we can agree on some issues. I said “in recent decades” bearing in mind the vagaries of coalition politics that told on the likes of Deve Gowda, Inder Gujral and to some extent even A B Vajpayee.

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Vinod sharma ji
    Sir

    After a very long time, I find a highly balanced blog in terms of logic coming from your pen on this site. It now looks to be worth to be part of this blog discussion going by your both critical and honest analysis of structure of various offices to be brought in the Lok Pal bill.
    I wish you had also commented on the desirability of telecasting live the proceedings of the draft panel as demanded by Anna Hazare and his team. This process would make the discussions very transparent and also increase the credibility of the proceedings of the drafting committee. We are a matured audience and would really like this to happen.

    Your defence against bringing the MPs receiving money for asking question is also not very convincing. The fright of the Lok pal will be much more than the official proceedings against such MPs and will surely serve as a more stringent act for any temptation for any MP to indulge in any such practice.

    Though the PM must be included in the jurisdiction of Lok Pal, I would prefer that he be proceeded for any action only after he demits his office. That is the law in some European countries too. May be Mr. Digvijay made a sensible observation after a very long time. In fact Mr. Anna Hazare had indeed suggested to send him a mental asylum after he had labelled the Anna team to be a part of RSS..
    You are right that a national debate among law luminaries be held to decide the question of bringing in judiciary under Lok Pal.
    All said and done, a great chance to initiate a sensible and constructive debate on this blog this time.
    Regards
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Dr Anand
    I think telecasting the proceedings live might not work. Audio recordings might provide the required meeting ground. Bringing the MPs under the Lok Pal for what they do in Parliament will not pass muster, given that even the judiciary does not adjudicate on it currently, restricing itself to the constitutionality of the legislations passed. Parliament returns that compliment by not debating issues that are sub judice. A change in this arrangement might disturb the basic features of our constitution that is not permissible.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Audio or live recordings have positives and negatives. The positives however outweigh negatives.

    The negative : It may tempt participants to be theatrical and play to the galleries , instead of trying to find sensible solutions.

    The positives : It will give the larger public, a sense of participation and transparency that will help our democracy immeasurably.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Even if proceeding are telecast live, people like Digvijay Singh can still create confusion by interpreting arguments made in the meetings in his unique way.

    All these meeting should be converted into Written documents (from Audio recording). These Audio recordings and transcripts should be available on govt. website.

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    Amit Reply:

    Vinod Ji,
    What are your views regarding the issue of jali tape? You said it was genuine and now it seems it’s not so. Were you lying mistakenly or willfully? Please elaborate.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Amit
    You have already called them jali tapes. I got them examined and have with me a report that says they were not tempered with. Consequenlty one CFSL: lab has said they are genuine and another that they are not. The matter is with the police.
    I have no axe to grind with the Bhushans and would not have published anything about the tapes if the report I got done hadn’t said so. And even while publishing the findings of the report I got, I quoted Shanti Bhushan who challenged the report. Now what more could I have done as a journalist?
    Moreover I published the story under my name. So it wasn’t a command performance but an honest job done after due dilligence. If finally the CD turns out to be fake or manipulated, I would disclose the name of the agency that examined it for HT and express regret to the Bhushans.
    Several other newspapers and TV channels ran stories based on the CD without any double check. Some even wrote that they cannot vouchsafe for the veracity or otherwise of the CD. At HT we tried to be more responsible.

  • shan

    @Vinod sharma ,This is DECEIT EXTRAORDINAIRE. Also you are not well read andnot well informed.
    What England could do circa 1200 with MAGNA CARTA “THE KING IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW” , india seem to be struggling i 2011.
    You are fudging the issues like hell.
    On the floor misdemeanours , someof it has legal sanction this is known as PARLIAMENTARY PRIVILEGE like you say anything without risking a libel action.
    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAKING BACKHANDERS
    IN UK THE CHIEF CONSTABLE SAID HE WILL NOT HESITATE TO ARREST MARGARET THATCHER IF EVIDENCE IS FOUND AGAINST HER IN THE SELLING OF BRITISH HELICOPTER COMPANY TO SIKORSKY OF USA.
    When the MP’sof westminister was found fudging expenses , ONE MP HAS BEEN SENT TO JAIL FOR TWO YEARS.
    So i cant understand HOW NATIONAL SECURITY COMES INTO THE PICTURE,
    LOKPAL WILL ON;Y INVESTIGATE BACKHANDERS AND CORRUPTION.
    national security cannot be used as a shield to hide behind
    JUST REFLECT HOW NIXON WAS BOOTED OUT BY THE CONGRESS
    And in UK a judge was fined and dismissed FOR BRINGING IN A CRATE OF FINE FRENCH WINES WITHOUT PAYING IMPORT DUTY.
    WHY CONGRESS IS SO AFRAID OF ANTI CORRUPTION INDEPENDENT WATCHDOG

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shan
    Pl read once again what I have written — purely in the Indian context. I have clearly said the PM should be retrospectively punished or made accountable — after resignation or on completion of tenure. ‘We too have the JMM bribery case in which the MPs were jailed and a PM (Narasimha Rao) faced criminal cases for manufacturing a majority through payoffs. Another exception could be a murder on the floor of the House.
    It is a complex issue and cannot be dialated in entirety in a short blog. You can if you so decide find holes in the argument. You can also use it as a part-base paper to complete the big picture with your inputs .
    Bests

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    shan Reply:

    @vinod sharma , reflect on the bill clinton/monica lewinski affair.Clinton a sitting president dragged to court , interrogated,BLOOD SAMPLES TAKEN to establish the semen stain on monica’s skirt has DNA coming from Clinton.
    and how about this one
    Prime Minister Tony Blair was questioned for a second time by police investigating cash-for-honours allegations, it has emerged.

    The interview, which lasted 45 minutes, took place at No 10 last Friday and was kept secret at the request of police. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6320399.stm

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    Funny Side Reply:

    And our good old ND Tiwari is refusing to forward his blood sample for conducting DNA to establish whether he is the father of a person claiming to be his son!

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    what utter rubbish you spout SHAN- “”"What England could do circa 1200 with MAGNA CARTA “THE KING IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW” , india seem to be struggling i 2011.”"”

    Henry the eighth was killing and beheading at least 3 of his wives and nothing happened to him. English history is replete with countless examples of random killings and tortures ordered by their kings, much the same as kings in Europe and Mughals who took fratricide to a level unprecedented in human history

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Balwinder
    Good one. Even without diging up the torture chambers of the British monarchy or the inexplicable practice of having hereditary kings in this day and age, what happened of the investigation about the 2 billion $ bribe paid to the Saudi prince/ambassador to USA by the air-plane company , with approval of British Government, for the deal to sell planes to Saudi Arabia ?

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    shan Reply:

    @rajiv,bad one , that is your ignorance . look before you leap , THINK before you write.
    The monarchy has no power in uk .it stands as a symbol for continuity.
    Living in a country of “MASS CULTURE” , difficult to understand the subtle nuances of english culture. like the house i live is 150 yrs old has a coal shute through which coal used to be dropped. thus it is garde 2 listed. you willnot understand why a brand new roof tile sells for 70 pence where as a very old one covered in green moss sells at 170pence .similarly it is beyond you to appreciate why people covet a Thatched house or a mock tudor house instead of new house.
    As to bribing saudi ambassador , TO PROCURE DEFENCE CONTRACT , THAT IS PATRIOTISM to me for that secures THOUSANDS OF JOBS FOR THE COUNTRYMEN.
    difficult to understand for someone , deracinated and seeks his solace in scavenging PAKISTANI web sites to nitpick anything to satisfy a self serving cause.

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    shan Reply:

    @balwinder , more you write MORE YOU REVEAL YOURSELF
    HAVE YOU HEARD OF CHARLESTHE FIRST AND CROMWELL
    Parliament appointed a High Court of Justice in January 1649 and Charles was charged with high treason against the people of England. The King’s trial opened on 20 January. He refused to answer the charges, saying that he did not recognise the authority of the High Court, but he was found guilty of the charges against him and sentenced to death on 27 January 1649. The King was beheaded on a scaffold outside the Banqueting House at Whitehall on 30 January.
    Also henry viii got anne boleyn executed ON CHARGES of incestous relationship , HE JUST DIDNT GO AND CHOP OFF HER HEAD. tough the charges may be trumped up.
    As for magna carta read on
    The Magna Carta is an English legal document written in 1215 CE which had a huge influence on the developing legal system of England. Because England’s legal system was used as a model by many former colonies when they developed their own legal systems, the Magna Carta also had an impact on many other governments. Many legal historians believe that the Magna Carta is one of the most important documents of all time, and several copies of it are on display around the world for interested parties to examine.

    The proper name for the Magna Carta is the Magna Carta Libertatum, the Great Charter of Freedoms. The document is usually abbreviated as the Magna Carta, or Great Charter. It could be considered a bill of rights for medieval England, although it was not heavily enforced for several centuries. More importantly, it set a precedent which changed the face of England forever, by establishing that the King was not above the law

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-magna-carta.htm – C

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    Funny Side Reply:

    Mughals were following the example set up by Ashok the Great, who before converting from Hinduism to Buddhism, killed his brothers & others. Kingship knows no kinship – the Ottomons used to imprison all brothers of the crown prince and kill them upon coronation of the crown prince. This practice ensured the longevity of the Ottomon empire – and when this fratricide was discontinued as better sense prevailed, those brothers who were still imprisoned but kept alive, started conspiring against their brother king, thereby leading to insurgencies, toppling of the ruling king’s govt and with power passing into the hands of incapable imprisoned princes, which finally led to the downfall of one of the longest running empires in human history.
    Mughals were in fact the most humane rulers of their time, viewed in the context of the Europeans and the Ottomons.

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    shan Reply:

    is it really , how about aurengzeb and fatricide , tajmahal and jijiya

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    Funny Side Reply:

    - Aurangzeb has earned infamy because of his farticide and other extreme actions. However he is better than Jinnah, Nehru, Patel, Zulfi Bhutto etc who allowed the slaughter of millions to become heads of governments.
    - Tajmahal and other monuments are like our modern day NREGA – the govt of the day builds roads and monuments to provide employment to the people.
    - Under Islamic taxation system, Muslims have to pay Zaka Tax @ 2.5% of their earnings, while non-Muslims have to pay Jiziya – its nothing more than having separate nomenclature for a taxation system. Moreover, Non-Muslims are not supposed to take part in Jihad (war initiated by the state) after paying Jiziya, whereas Muslims are supposed to take part in Jihad whether they pay Zakat or not.
    - I am amazed at your ignorance.

    shan Reply:

    I am even more convinced about Taquiya. Zakat is voluntary , JIJIYA IS COMPULSORY.
    Also zakat is once a year around Eid , Jijiya is all year round.

  • Rajiv

    This is the kind of balanced debate we need on the details of Lok-Pal, instead of the vulgar name calling ( RSS agent, saffron, Hindu right-wingetc ) that we have seen from Congress and its callous, secrarian and communal spokesman like Digvijay Singh.

    I like the idea of having the full bench or maybe 2/3rd majority required before legal proceedings against sitting PM.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajiv
    Couldn’t agree with you more. Let us also not call each other Pakistanis, Congress agents and pseuo-seculars. A views has to be judged on merit, not on the basis of somebody’s alleged predilections.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vindo Sharma

    The PM should be under scrutiny of the Lokpal for financial corruption as in Bofors and HDW or even the way Deve Gowda used his few months to empower and enrich his sons.

    He should be under scrutiny when he uses the CBI and CID to nullify opponents as Manmohan Singh is doing.

    However he should not be under scrutniy if he uses the CBO and RAW for supporting covert action and funding the same.

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  • ishwar

    Mr. Sharma,

    I also second your opinion that the civil society is proposing far too much power to itself under the guise of the theory that democracy is ‘for the people’ and ‘by the people’. No matter how corrupt the judiciary is, it is not worth allowing anyone to supercede it.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    things have pathetically reached a rock bottom. deterrents, severe punishments, vigilant watchdogs etc have to be there. At the end of the day people should be empowered–and it cannot be the five year election cycles

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  • Balwinder Sandhu, Hayes, UK

    Pink is the navy blue of India
    Corruption is the new black.
    These comments have been made in the western idiom – hope they made sense, happy to elaborate for my countrymen back home, if asked

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  • Balwinder Sandhu, Hayes, UK

    JAB TAK INDIAN judges ki salary 1 lakh rupees hogi, some will be corrupt. Does anyone know how much they earn

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  • Balwinder Sandhu, Hayes, UK

    get the trillion in Swiis bank back, start paying doctors judges and policemen more- holy trinity of India.
    kehte hain na- court, kacheri ya beemari ka lafda wahe guru kisi dushman ko bhi na de

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  • Vijay Kumar

    :D :D ~~ IF AND WHEN THE LOKPAL COMES– WE SHOULD REMEMBER HOW IT HAPPENED~~ :D :D

    If a bill is hanging for 40 years. And then two off beat crusaders– Anna Hazare and Ramdev– manage to scare the govenrment into taking some action, we should thank them … forever .

    Both these have been labelled as RSS and BJP mukhotas.

    yet the Cognress is shit scared of them.

    And even I am at odds with their economic thought processes. But I would immediately call them great for getting the corruption movement on the nationqal agenda.

    Of course everyone would want to take the credti later on.. :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Vijay

    You should be glad now that Vinodji found my replies to your postings very very offensive and got them removed !

    I wrote a small piece about “credit” on LokPal bill in reply to this post and Vinodji found it be quite derogatory.

    Happy posting!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vindo Sharma

    The PM should be under scrutiny of the Lokpal for financial corruption as in Bofors and HDW or even the way Deve Gowda used his few months to empower and enrich his sons.

    He should be under scrutiny when he uses the CBI and CID to nullify opponents as Manmohan Singh is doing.

    However he should not be under scrutniy if he uses the CBO and RAW for supporting covert action against enemy states and funding the same.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    what a lovely piece of writing. I also believe that P.M. should not be under the present Lokpal bill as Civil Society is asking for too much. It has yet to prove itself. If, experience with them is good, and we have corrupt PMs etc. at that point some kind of deterrant may be brought in the picture. I am travelling, but off and on will come back to blog.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    Once I submitted my blog, I saw that my comment is awaiting moderation? have you started this practice for me only or there are other candidates too? what I have written so far which required this moderation? Language, content or what. Lot of rubbish has been written there before. I am surprised to say the least.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    The same happened to me when I was responding to Shan. I had requested my colleagues on the IT side to barricade abusive comments that hurt sentiments of others. I don’t know whether it is some kind of a fliter. Shall double check with them and let you know.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Vinod;
    This is the spirit, which has made many of us an addict to this blog. Please keep this spirit alive.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Let me ask if NAC i.e. official civil society chosen by Sonia, has any right to exist. Are they elected by people? They exist because one person Sonia WISHES so.
    The govt. exists for the pleasure of Sonia and so is official civil society called NAC.

    The congress is trying to occupy all three space..One is that of govt. (MMS), second is one of civil Society (NAC, ruled by Sonia) and opposition (Fake opposition led by Digvijay).

    The current structure under UPA is total farce. Unfortunately some scribes willingly or unwillingly have become tools of this farce/

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Thanks for telling us, with nice illustrations, how irrelevant BJP has become in Indian polity today.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    BJP has been pushed OFF stage thanks to pro-congress media and biased people like you.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    If the media was pro-congress, there would not have been any headlines on 2G Scam or CWG.

    This is the same media that gave shinning NDA to the country.

  • Rajiv

    @Mr Sharma,
    Thanks for offering instant postings of blog comments , for so long. The beginning of ‘moderated postings’ , where in it can often take 10-12 hours or more, before comments appear, is going to end this blog comment section as we knew it. The party is over.
    Its going to kill the discussion like atmpsphere it had.
    I would have preferred that postings be moderated after they have been posted and repeat offenders barred.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajiv
    I see your point Rajiv. If the time lag is that much, surely it will impact atmospherics and also traffic on this blog. Will try and sort it out with colleagues on the IT side.
    The party isn’t over dear. We shall try to make it better.

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    rajiv Reply:

    Great. I think, thats the best solution as it will preserve chat like atmosphere and also help in removing grossly inoffensive comments.

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  • nirav

    Mr Vinod,

    For a change you are open to some check on rampant corruption in PMO(which you havent spoken much about)—just like you blame anna “non-government organisations and industrial houses (about whom Anna Hazare and Ramdev haven’t much spoken) be brought under the lokpal”…

    Did anna say industrial houses shouldnt be covered in lokpal???unlike your beloveds sibal and chidu who said MPS,PM shouldnt be in lokpal…so whos covering whom.?????
    Why are you playing pranav and chidu in maligning Anna??

    Can you live the way Anna lives?Can you fast even for an hour??HAve you led any protest?HAve you done anything for the society except dance to italian tunes…?
    People like you are crying democracy democracy and elected governement slogans….

    One question i have …

    “if a government gets elected for 5 years and then after 2 years turn rogue and barbaric like UPA2,should people suffer for 3 more years and wait for elections ….let the loot on????”

    Is that democracy???Beating women and children in the middle of the night and saying we had no option……

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    You don’t think much of me anyway. So why pose the questions to me? Unless we learn to respect reach other.there cannot be a sane discussion or debate.
    That is the rule. If you want to play by it, fine. Otherwise, thank you.

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    nirav Reply:

    Mr Vinod,

    I respect your skills in writing,command on language and knowledge.
    The problem i have is the use you make out of it.
    The comments you get is more than any other writter which means you have an audience.
    Hence it is frustating to see that audience being served official congress/Governement statements.
    And to demoralise any civil movement with RSS brand sticks is disgusting.

    I dont think BJP is anygood.Infact BJP has failed as an opposition as much as UPA as a government.
    Both parties donot have a tall leader.HEnce people look up to civil leaders.

    If that satisfies you i reiterate my question,

    “if a government gets elected for 5 years and then after 2 years turn rogue and barbaric like UPA2,should people suffer for 3 more years and wait for elections ….let the loot on????

    I would add something else whcih might motivate you,

    :Same is with say karnataka,
    “Why cant people recall such corrupt goivernemt”?
    Shouldnt WE have Right to recall???or all should turn moists…

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Nirav
    Lohia used to say zinda quomey paanch baras tak intazaar nahin kiya karten. I agree with him and the prescription he gave to keep governments under check: uninterrupted agitation on issues.
    Coming to the civil society, I think they put off some people by their self righteous arrogance that saw them distrusting everybody— from the voter to the elected, in fact, the entire political class, the judges and the civil servants. But they had done their bit by putting the focus on the issue of corruption. The government may not agree with them entirely, it will have to agree with them largely.

    nirav Reply:

    @Vinod,

    couldnt agree more on that.
    Coming from a person like Lohia who did great work including his work with JP ,maulana, Aruna ali.
    Some of our unsung heroes.

    however that leads to a fundamental question…what should be the form of agitation and protests…

    1)annas way- FAST
    2)Ramdevs ways -FAST
    3)maoist way
    4)Kashmiri and arundatis separtists way
    5)Media 24/7 coverage way

    Or is there a more inclusive and still effective way…?

    And should media be supporting this or just reporting this(in your friends arnobs words:))

    Also on a lighter note “how can we sack a non performing opposition party ?Can we introduce a no confidence motion against them too along with the governement?”:)

  • Gianinder

    We all know that the simple rules of negotiation are that put of clauses or conditions that the other party won’t agree to…..push them hard and then back off and then say”I agreed to this and now it’s your turn to give in on another issue”. This is what this whole PM should not be under the Lokpal preview is all about. They will make a big hue and cry about this and then agree and press the civil society to give in other aspects of the bill by saying we agreed to that and now for the sake of give and take and a dialogue it’s your turn to give in.

    Well all of you may fall for it if you like but I don’t…………………..

    This is VINOD…..OUR OWN VINOD……This blog has a plan to it and is no representation of change of heart or about taking a stand. A hundred blogs like this from this great Journalistic Icon just may make me believe that the Pigs can fly………………………………

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com vinod sharma

    ATTENTiON ALL …..ATTENTION ALL
    I HAVE REQUESTED MY COLLEAGUES IN THE IT SECTON TO MODERATE COMMENTS NOT WHEN THEY ARE POSTED BUT AFTER ATTENTION IS DRAWN TO OBSCENE OR UNCIVIL POSTS BY OTHER BLOGGERS SEEKING A SERIOUS DEBATE ON THIS SITE.
    LET US AGREE ON THE WORD “OFFENSIVE RPT OFFENSIVE” TO FLAG SUCH POSTS SO THAT THEY ARE REMOVED LATER. WE WOULD ALSO DO WELL NOT TO REACT TO OFFENDING COMMENTS AND LET HT DIGITAL DO THE CLEANING JOB. HOPE YOU ALL AGREE AS INSTANT MODERATION OF COMMENTS TAKES HOURS AND IS SURE TO STULTIFY DEBATE BY TAKING AWAY THE ELEMENT OF SPONTANEITY.

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    Gianinder Reply:

    Sharmajii,

    My post was moderated despite the fact that I did not use any abusive language or make any comments that in my view needed moderation. But then again this is your blog and your paper and I do not qustion your right to block, edit or not post some of the posts. No offence taken as that is your right and if I had a blog ….probably I too would have reserved that right.

    Just for the others that this post of mine which appeared is incomplete and edited and the message does not reflect fully what I wanted to say.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Gianinder
    Kindly repost your comments. There is no moderation while you write. It will only happen when somebody protests or our team finds your remarks offensive. I am not the censor. The HT digital team is doing the job — and several among them may not find offensive what I or you do. That can also operate in reverse with we not finding something offensive and they doing it. No arrangement is perfect. But this is what we now have.
    As for your remarks, there is no conspiracy behind this blog. Please read the opening para and you’d know.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Okay principal sahab…

    Hoepfully happy days would be back again ! :D

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  • Vijay Kumar

    One point of discussion. How woulld the LokPal be chosen?

    We have seen governers appointed by the centre end up becoming as good as Buta SIngh. So we need to have a mechanism to chose the Lok Pal which prevents him/her from being a demolition master of the Centre.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @vIJAY kUMAR
    It is a very pertinent and valid question. Let us invite ideas on it.

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    shan Reply:

    Why not lokpal be DIRECTLY ELECTED. during the lokshava election, one box for lokpal, non political lets make it the rcently retired CJI or former Attorney general or former Auditor general a three way contest

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ VInod Sharma

    The various ways possible of appointing a Lok Pal

    a) He should have a background equivalent of a retired Supreme COurt judge

    b) FOur or five name could be chosen and put to vote by the Parliament. However here the ruling party would still have an advantage becasue of the numbers. Seconldy a Lok Pal appointed by politicians would always strive to save them.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    I my view the collegium for selection of the Lok Pal and other members should include eminent persons from various walks of life besides the presiding officers of the two Houses and the Chief Justice of India. Let us keep leaders of political parties out. But I wonder whether such a selection process will meet Parliament’s approval?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod sharma

    I think the politicians would hate to lose power.

    The secon question is who is eminent would be a matter of debate. For example medha Patkar may be imminent in some people’s eyes. But to me the way she delayed the narmada project and water for Gujarat does not make her very eminent.

    It really has to be a person of the calibre of Abdul kalam or Atal Bihari (now I am provoking a lot of people here) or say Justice Varma who can be good Lok Pals. But in the end in Engineering we say processes, codes and laws are supreme. So really it is the mechanism we set up which activates the LokPal is most important.

    Meaning if Laloo manages to get a person of the calibre of Pappu Yadav as the LokPal, we should still get results. :D

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Sir

    Would you also suggest that the same procedure be followed while appointing CVC? I am sure the govt. is not going to commit the same mistake again while appointing Mr. Thomas as CVC.
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @B N Anand
    The CVC should be appointed vide the same procedure as it exists today (PM, Leader of Opposition and Home Minister). But the P J Thomas experience teaches us that it be done with a consensus and not a majority view.

    rajiv Reply:

    Choosing Lokpal
    —————————-

    I think we can take a leaf out of US process of how Supreme Court judges , even cabinet appointees are ratified by the senate. No process is perfect, but this process preserves the supremacy of parliament, assuming we want parliamentary democracy.

    So I would say, anyone nominated for Lokpal, has to be ratified by 60% of votes in LokSabha.
    It may sound easy, but getting 60% of votes is never easy and will almost always require a buy-in from the opposition.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    If Lokpal Bill is going to cover prime Minister, Ministers, Judiciary, NGO’s,Industrial houses, then how the Lokpal will resolve issues during a reasonable time frame?

    I am sure corruption in India is not going to vanish by August 15, 2011 ! The Lokpal will be flooded with charges against people from all walks of life.

    Is LokPal going to take subjective views without going through relevant investigation ? Who is he going to depend on the investigation of cases. Will Lokpal have a separate wing for investigation ?

    What kind of priorities is he going to set for the cases before him?

    First – in- First-out?

    Or, will he give preference to cases of Executives first and then Judiciary ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I think Jan Lok Pal should be an institution just like Election commission, having multiple Lok Pals headed by Chief Lok pal.
    Then there should be State Lok Pal on the lines of High courts and District level Lok Pal.

    The selection of Lok Pals should be based on IAS kind of test with more emphasis on moral and financial honesty of the person. This selection panel should be headed by CEC, SC Judges and former Chief Lokpals.

    What I want to say is that new Lokpal institution should be free from any kind of govt. or opposition influence. Any breach of trust by Lokpals should be addressed by Supreme Court and if Lokpals found guilty, they should be punished in severest possible way. This kind of arrangement will deter shady elements from even trying to be Lokpal.

    We should also incorporate CVC into Lokpal institution.

    Finally CBI should be made free of Govt. It should directly work under Lokpal.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    There should be a provision of probing Lokpals. It can be done by other Lokpals+SC or SC+govt. We have to keep judiciary in picture for probing Lokpals.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Election Commission has been there for a long long time. It took a person like Sheshan to make it effective.

    Though everybody slowly fell in line, I remember all politicians, irrespective of the party lines, were against him.

    If Judiciary to be brought under Jan LokPal, then how can SC address the deviations by Lokpal?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    I am no constitutional expert but I totally understand need for checks and balance and separation of power.
    How Lokpal body should be contituted is a complex topic and needs to be addressed by experts. But one thing is clear that it should be free of Govt/opposition/Parliaments DIRECT influence. It should have its own investigative body free of any external influence.

    There is another thing that is not properly addressed in India which is CONFLICT OF INTEREST. There have number of instance of CoI in the past which need to be addressed. For example a minister who has his personal business in Sugar industry should not be in any position to make any decisions related to Sugar Industry. I am talking about Pawar here.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajeev,
    Nice and well calibrated response. Despite all the differences I have with you on “communal issues” , I feel compelled to appreciate your response.
    - Mahesh.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mahesh,
    You got me wrong on communal issue. I am against pampering any community and that includes Hindus.
    The second point that disturbs me is that there is certain kind of Hinduphobia in our minorities. They show disrespect to Hinduism so as they can become true muslim or christian.
    I have perosnally observed several instances where minorities make fun of hindus and hinduism and use insulting words to prove they are true to their faith.
    I come from family of Sufis (Naqsbandi). My family has been sufi for 5 generations now. This was the reason I chose to do my junior college in muslim institution but I was bitterly disappointed the way they hold contempt for anything hindu. I saw same thing happening elsewhere.

    I want this love and tolerance to be two way street not one way. The secularism should not be imposed exclusively on hindus.

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Dear Vinod Sharma

    Do we address you as Blog Lok Pal in future, seeing as you have rightly taken over as moderator.

    Or should we address you as Blog Kotwal ?
    Or Blog Ab Tak Chappan?
    Please advise.
    hehe

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Balwinder Sandhu
    Heads I lose and Tails you win Sandhu Saab. You were the loudest in your protests against Tajender. That moved me into rethinking my very liberal approach in running this blog. Even now we shall let the comments remain and remove them after retrospect scanning. I know you weren’t being serious when you gave me these titles. But you’d agree that scaventing is a must to keep the air clean. f you really insist on giving me a nickname then call me housekeeping manager. :) ) :) )

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Dont worry Vinodji, I am only joking as always. I am overjoyed that I can now step into the water without having to wade through the swamp of tajender’s brahminitis.
    Also the anti Islamic abuse by one particular gentleman, R, is hopefully in the past tense.

    My one request to you Sir, please do not ever ban SHAN, it is one of life’s biggest pleasures to spank his ‘rationalist-humanist Marlowe quoting’ botty every now and then. I know I keep my jokes on him clean and most enjoy it. Good night Sir.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Balwinder with WIND,
    I think you should try to stick to the topic rather than cracking jokes or pointing fingers at others. I know you are full of gems and I hope you can make space for pebble suggestion.

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    shan Reply:

    Ballwinder without ball , it’s good to have have dimwits like you , a kind of court jester

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  • Rajiv

    Off topic but inexplicable
    ———————————-

    In Pakistan Census form, Hinduism is not an option, when specifying your religion.
    Islam is there.
    Hindus are suppose to check against the option ‘Scheduled Castes’.
    I guess they found the word Hinduism , offensive.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/188317/minority-rights-hinduism-should-be-an-option-in-census/

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    This is absolute eradication of minorites in Pakistan. Also an insult to Hindus. The Minorites Commission of India should take a stance and so should or political parties

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Just imagine, a land where the entire population was Hindus and Hindu-Shahi kings ruled 1000 years ago, has been wiped clean of the faith and the culture. Their history, heritage every thing annhilated and their faith denigrated by the state , its education system and its state ideology. But there is no voice of protest.
    No riots!!! The surviving few paralyzed by fear.
    I know, protesting now is like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. The annhilation is complete and irreversible. The ideology that annhilated it , entrenched and expansionist.

    Even then, for the surviving few, India should raise its voice.

    The other day, someone asked on Pak forum, why do Ahmedis not protest the extreme discrimination against them by Pak state and society ?
    The answer was that the Ahmedis are so scred for their lives in Pakistan that most Ahmedis don’t tell their neighbours and collegues about the fact that they are Ahmedis. So protesting against atrocities on Ahmedis will expose them as such , so they keep quiet and hide their faith.

    Regarding the minority commission of India, taking a stand , or atlest opening a dialogue with the human rights commission of Pakistan, header by the eminent and brave Asma Jahangir, would be a positive step.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Why have we not seeing Shabana Azmi and Shahrukh going mad over the conditions of hindus in pakistan?
    Believe me if these people were pakistanis, they would have treated hindus in the same way.

    The day Indian muslims start supporting rights of pakistani minorities, the BJP and RSS will have to drop their Hindu only agenda.

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  • Rajiv

    @Mr Sharma,
    You write on India-Pakistan topics.
    Can you write a blog at some point regarding the extremely discriminatory treatment of minorities ( particularly Ahmedias, Hindus and Christians ) in Pakistan ? From reading pak website tribune and the comments posted by Pakistanis acknowledging the horrendous treatment of minorities, I am surprised that we in India and the Indian government maintain a discreet silence about it.

    I mean, we should deal with facts here. Hindu Sikhs made up 20-25% of people in West Pakistan in 1947. Today its like 1-2% of poor tribes living mostly in interior parts.
    It looks like they do not even exist on the census form !

    Contrast that to India, where the % of minorties as a percentage of the population, in the territories that make India today, remains stable and growing as compared to 1947. In fact, Muslims today, in real numbers in India, are almosrt same as they were in India , West Pakistan and East Pakistan ( Bangladesh ) put together had in 1947.

    Why are we so reluctant to raise the issue of persecution of minorities in Pakistan ?
    Are we scared that Pakistan will make noise about Muslims in India ?
    If so, that’s a very diffident mentality.
    We should be championing the cause of minorities in Pakistan at every international forum and demanding equal rights and protections for them just as our laws guarantee it.

    Well we have a record that we can defend , Pakistan does not.
    The facts about numbers, speak more than anything else can.
    Our constitution and laws guarantee equality, Pakistan’s does not.

    I sometimes am baffled at the choices Indian foreign policy makers have made.
    Atleast we can offer asylum to minorities prosecuted in the Indian subcontinent.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    In total agreement here.

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    shan Reply:

    Rant of a classical internet NRI non indian passportholder HINDU

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    Rajeev Reply:

    100% agree…Can Vinod do something about it? He can atleast write a column in some pakistani newspaper.

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    Observer Reply:

    Rajiv,

    Do you expect response from this Barkiwala Bamman?

    Hindus in Pakistan along with Pashtuns, who were supporting Mahatma gandhi Congress, were written of by Nehru CQs., wh only wanted Muslim vote bank to keep Nehru and his dynasty in power for ever. They were helped by of modern version of BHAT- CHARANS like English media notably Ramchandra Guha, Sardesai, just to name a few. Now they have added barking dogs like Digvijay. To CQs they were collateral damage for keeping them in power in India.

    India’s ignoring the issue of suffering of Hindus, Sikhs and Pathans in Pakistan serves Pakistani interests, so you can see SHAN’s reaction.

    Brave Groupi, , I have given Viri Sanghvi a new name, as he is ashamed of being Hindu Gujarati after Gujarat riots, does not have that courage to do similar dramatics against Pakistan. Refugee CQs such as Kuldip Nayyar, Khuswant Singh and Jyoti Basu never explained their cowardice in not fighting for secularism in Pakistan and running away like hyenas at night to India.

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    shan Reply:

    @Observer , so what you want to OBSERVE , a progrom against MUSLIMS a la gujrat style. . christians are treated badly , HAVENT SEEN THE WHITE CHRISTIAN WEST KICKING OUT MUSLIMS , IN FACT ALLOWING IN MUSLIMS FROM ALL THE WORLD , IRAQ ,IRAN SOMALIA ALL OF NORTH AFRICA , F UCKISTAN
    full well knowing they will be breeding like hell and breeding terrorist of the future.

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    Observer Reply:

    @Shan

    What I want to observe is your Indian CQs move to Pakistan and fight for secularism there, and succeed or die there.

    If you guys die in attempt of converting Pakistan to Jinnah’s vision of minority friendly, liberal secular Pakistan, which you guys sabotaged in 1947, Hindus and Muslim brothers will will consider you guys have repented. and will then build a monument to honor you guys, like that Hindi song;” Ham yadoo ke phul chadaye aur aanso ke dip jalaye..

    So the scene of action is Pakistan for you guys, like the India is for LeT and other misguided Muslims. You guys created the the problem so fix it, or face the music.

    Unlike you guys, west did not start fire.West needs immigrants. A PERSON should not be discriminated, just because of his race, skin color or religion. as a matter of fact most Muslims are nice, hard working people.

    Stop your nasty third world habit and behave like gentleman and talk in civilized manner. Your way of abusing everybody including Hindus, Muslims is unacceptable.

    We need to understand Muslim and Pakistani view point. so that there is real exchange of views, and not talking at each others, so solution can be found on basis of give and take. So that peace can be achieved in South Asia.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @Prabhat

    you said your posting on my views had been moderated. Now I would love to see how foul it was !!

    Look I am a fan of Ramdev simply because as an engineer and not as a blind faith walla I believve he has done magic with air !! :D Do the pranayam and you will kow what I mean.

    I dont have much faith i his swadeshi views– except on colas. Or on his economic policies. But I appreciate the galvanising he and Anna did for the Lok Pal bill.

    BELIEVE ME IT IS THE SCARE WHICH HAS MADE THE POLITICANS ACT… :D

    yes corruption wont end after the Lok Pal. But knowing a few policitians I know by natuer they are acquisitve. And also jealous. If kani Mozhi gets jail for a few years the message will go across to many of them. And once they are made honest they will then ensure that the lower judiciary, bureaucracy and police straighten up …

    Lok Pal is a begining. Not the end. At least we will have an institution which can keep a check on loot at the top

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Vijay

    My response was about NAC’ deliberation on LokPal Bill before Anna hit the street.

    And that response has been removed ! I did not know you had such a long arm that you could plant your men in HT Digital Team !!!

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Vijay ke haath itne lambe hai ki sab HT wale uske haathon me kathpuliyon ki tarah nachte hai.. :D

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  • Rajiv

    We would know so much more about the Lokpal bill if the proceedings were

    1. Telecast
    or
    2. Audio provided
    or
    3. Atleast a transcript of the discusion and arguments.

    Why can’t we atleast get the transcripts of the proceedings ?
    It would immensely help the democratic process.

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  • Mahesh

    Sharmaji,
    Thanks and Congratulations for aligning with the populist demand of bringing the PMO (fellas, make sure it is PMO not just the PM) under the ambit of LokPal. Nice to know we are in agreement here.
    However, Sirjee, we must also realize this that the “things” don’t stop at the demands on “generic corruption”. To be sure, Corruption is no small Giant in itself. The CAG estimated 2G Spectrum “Corruption induced losses”, for instance, measured several times our Annual Central Public Healthcare Outlays. And yet, the story doesn’t stop there.
    While we try to figure out the methodology for Lokpal implementation(A good representative discussion may be seen in thread of discussion between Prabhat and Rajeev triggered by a posting from Vijay Kumar) – It is the Policy measures that need next to brought up at the table.
    In case we have forgotten, our basic policy objectives are elimination of poverty, healthcare and quality of life for the entire Indian citizenry. Somehow, we have been hoping our year on year “Market fuelled Growth” would re-distribute and trickle the wealth to loweliest of economic strata. And yet we have repeatedly been failing against our own hope – more so in the rural areas.
    Another issue is with assumption of Growth Rate itself.
    World over, the main drivers for Growth – Oil, Resources and Food Security are experiencing a “depletion biased” un-certainity. We are no different. So, the Growth rate that we have been used to past couple of years cannot be taken for granted. Under these circumstances – how are we going to meet our own objectives ? Also, have we really factored in the Climate Un-Certainities ?
    Tall Order this for both the Congress and BJP – given their own level own “policy incompetency”.
    The alternatives, left incuded, appear to be sleeping as well.
    Would love to be proved out of this gllomy picture.
    - Mahesh.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am of the opinion that highest office of the land both President and PM should be under Lokpal ambit but it should be coupled with process of impeachment by Parliament and ratification of Lokpal decision by Supreme court.
    We should understand that PM INSTITUTION is the highest policy decision body and should be accorded due respect.
    In last 7 years the post of PM has been devalued directly because the the Congress Chief over PM arrangement. Then the very presence of NAC headed by Sonia Gandhi is directly responsible for WEAK PM. According to me, PM should-
    1. Be member of Lok Sabha
    2. Should enjoy support of atleast 2/3 MPs in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha.
    3. The person who wants to be a PM should have atleast 3 terms experience as MP and 1 term as Minister of cabinet level.
    4. Lastly governing party should allow multiple people to stand for PM and seek support for 2/3 members.

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  • rajiv

    @rajeev
    what you say is extremely un-practical and counter-productive.
    2/3 mp’s should support PM ? Well then we would never have a PM.
    3 terms as pre-condition ? Only Lalu and Mulayam may qualify.
    However , this is a different argument and not relatd to office of Lokpal.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    I think a person of impeccable integrity and statesmanship can definitely win confidence of some members from opposition. However endorsement for PM by 2/3rd MPs should not be treated as support to his govt. for full 5 year term. The MPs should choose among the choices presented by party staking to form govt.

    I think 3 term experience with Cabinet rank experience should be must so that novices like Rajiv Gandhi could not be imposed on the country in the name of emotional atyachaar. This will help country avoid misfortune of having PM from different political dynasties in quick succession.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    The maximum term of the PM should be ten years. So should it be for Chief Ministers/.

    All the dynasties of Indain politca have come up because grandiose dreams of inherited rights start coming up after a few years.

    And if you cannot produce resilts in10 years u wont be able to do it for fifty

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “The maximum term of the PM should be ten years. So should it be for Chief Ministers/.”

    I missed this part. I totally agree with you. This will give chance to other brilliant minds to serve the country.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajeev

    The big reason for political corruption is the dynasties which have arrived and captured the politcal spectrum.

    – Kasmir and Jammu to the Abdullahas
    – Punjab is with the Badals
    – Delhi is now with Shiela who has groomed her son, despite he achivements
    – Haryan with the Devi Lal and Sons
    _ Bihar wiith Lalu, Saala, rabri and sons
    – Orissa with the Patnaiks
    – UP with Mulayam and Sons
    – Tamil naDu with karunanidhi– daughter, Sons and assorted wives :D

    I can keep counting and the blog will fall short of space.

    And at the centre we have the Nehru khandaan

    Once we limit the length of the reign then the corruption factor will downsize by itself.

    In fact family sycophants, hangers on etc etc too will be decimated. I think lets fast for that now…

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay kumar , dynasties in politics is not exclusive to india ,there was BUSH KENNEDYS etc
    Also you seem to forget ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE ELECTED AND HAD MAJORITY MANDATE
    this is not royalsuccession ,IT IS ULTIMATELY PEOPLE WHO ELECT THEM
    india after all is a functioning democracy
    That Corruption gets swept under is because INDIANS ARE MOSTLY CORRUPT IN THEIR PERSONAL AND PUBLIC LIVES

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Well no president in the US can seek more than two terms.

    As for the UK … it looks more like a retired colonal draming of its glory days. Now even if it has PM”s lasting more than two terms… they cannot stop the slide.. :D

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar , despite the slide , your biradri “will sell their soul” to sneak into the SLIDE. EVEN AT THE BACK OF A LORRY UNDER A PILE OF VEGETABLES, and have been doing incessantly JUST ASK BALWINDER , HE HIMSELF AN EXAMPLE

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Xmon puttar

    UK is not the preferred destination of my gen. It is US or India now. :D

    U may feel good that you are already there byt there are many an Indian wanting to come back . Now everytime I am in London I am told by my hosts that the big news is that most of the London buildings are now owned by Arabs.. or Asians.

    The British took too much delight on thinking that their prodigal son– the US is doing well in life. They neve could fathom what they needed to do themselves.

    And then somewhere they are not so financially well off. So as far as IT and buildings go… well there is not much happening there.

    The salaries for doctors dont compare too well for what docs in India get .

    So whle you smile… remember India too is smiling now :D :D Especially me.. who gave up the idea of setling there after seeing the crummy housing and miserable weather. :D

    But I give you a peice of advice. Look down on the gora.. and u will get the salute

    shan Reply:

    @vijay, your words

    The salaries for doctors dont compare too well for what docs in India get

    well i haven’t done too badly , i am happy with my BMW330
    and for the record for buffons like you
    average income in UK 25000POUNDS
    average income in INDIA 43,460RUPEES
    Exchange rate ONE POUND = 72 RUPEES
    borrow a calculator from your neighbour and DO THE SUMS

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    Yes, dynasties exist in US too but can daughter of Clinton be imposed on US as president? Who from Kennedys have become president after the assasination of John Kennedy? After his death we did not see democrats imposing Robert Kennedy as President. There is no emotional atyachaar as far as US dynasties are concerned.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shan

    u r fooling yourself and nobody else. Arre yaar the the UK is a has been.

    The so called 25000 pounds is bore for me if I spend 200 pounds ferrying around in a taxi in London and pay % pounds for a bottle of water.

    Cmon the houses are definately crummy. With 7 ft cieling and creaky flooring… they dont compare one bit to the buildings and apartments the middle class is buying in Noida and Gurgaon.

    The Movie scene has been reduced to a porno industry and no films come from UK.

    And 20 years later you may be preparing for a life in an old age home while my 93 year old grandmom lives happily with her children ad grandchildren :D :D

    shan Reply:

    @vijay kumar, the high rises in noida and gurgaon are CONCRETE JUNGLE WITH MTCH BOX APARTMENTS. You not be able to appreciate the delights of ALLIUM AND ASTER blooming in your garden , not to mention the green carpet like lawn.
    by the way can I see CANALETTO OR A REMBRANDT IN NOIDA OR DELHI
    As for standard bollywood fare like karan johar , gowarikar, or nikhiladvani or siddhart anand
    is for the MENTALLT CHALLENGED.
    We have here a thing called LOVE FILMS(www.lovefilms.com). You order it through the internet, film is delivered by post , you watch and return AND YOU HAVE WORLD CINEMA AT YOUR DISPOSAL.
    Suggest you see these to CLIMB UP THE CULTURAL LADDER
    groundhog day, life of others , goya’s ghost , bootiful
    after watching these films YOU WILL BE TRANSFORMED INTO A BENGALEE IN SENSIBILITIES

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Dear Shan

    I think u need to shed the inferiority complex !! I think you are still bamboozeld by the fact that if something is done by a gora it must be good. Arre bhaiya… this is how the goras psychoed the world to rule over them.

    Now as for films… tell me tha last ten prodiced in the UK :D

    Or sports… india were ahead in the Commonwealth games. Ah .. and cricket, well baby the English team flounders and fails and goes kaput ! :D

    Arre baba.. this is the bengali nirad Chaudhari inferiority complex inside which is speakimg. Where you want to be like them but will alwasy be second best since you can never be original. Arre baba this nirad’s game was simple. “That I have been accepted by the whites… aur thum saala Indian kya samjhega” :D

    I dont think any Britisher too k Nirad seriously and considered him anything more than a WOG !

    but for the Bongs.. he was james Bond !

    And as far as painings go raja Ravi Varma is as good as Rmembrandtt and goya. Or maybe Sabavala, Bikash Bhatacharji better.

    As for the British,,, they may ha e disccovered the sexual revolution but hav e forgotton to procreate. And now as 25% of the children born there are Asians, I think they may become a minority soon.

    Unless they start deporting Asians back. So watch out :D You may be househunting in noida one day. I’ll help you then since I have designed a few buildings here :D

    Even the media. Some of our channels are now better than BBC!

    But… NOthing like pulling someone’s leg just late night.

    By the way I loe the UK and walking around London. However I dont think it is the economic and cuiltural centre any more….

    shan Reply:

    And as far as painings go raja Ravi Varma is as good as Rmembrandtt and goya. Or maybe Sabavala, Bikash Bhatacharji better.

    classical cow belt or cow brain a CLOWN OF THE HIGHEST ORDER JUST FOR COMPARING REMBRANDT(THIS IS THE RIGHT SPELLING) WITH RAJA RAVI VERMA

    A BIT LIKE COMPARING FERRARI WITH TATA INDICA (whose design is by pinaferrina , engine by puegot)

    patriotism is the last refuge of a ……(dr samuel johnson)

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    @ VIJAY, i dont like dynasties EITHER but it is not as if the stand alones, ie, first timers, are less corrupt.
    eg MAYAWATI AND PRAMOD MAHAJAN
    —————–
    SHAN, after having driven away all the articulate presenters like Mishraji and Ashish and Vinay with your constant sniping, you are now trying to do same with RAJIV WITH I. He posts a lovely thought on the plight of minorities in Pakistan, and you take this ugly swipe at him.
    Why are you so jealous of those that outshine you. Please I request you to think and behave like a doctor

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    totally pointless, this sniping at RAJIV by SHAN-
    shan Reply:

    June 15th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Rant of a classical internet NRI non indian passportholder HINDU

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    shan Reply:

    Please try to behave like someone entered UK legally rather than Kabuterbaji

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    DeAR sHAN

    Engagement with muslims communities all over the world is a must, drwing them out is essential. That is how terrorists in the future will be prevented.
    yOUR STATEMENT IS intellectually shallow, is point scoring – “”"THE WHITE CHRISTIAN WEST KICKING OUT MUSLIMS , IN FACT ALLOWING IN MUSLIMS FROM ALL THE WORLD , IRAQ ,IRAN SOMALIA ALL OF NORTH AFRICA ,
    full well knowing they will be breeding like hell and breeding terrorist of the future.”"”
    ————
    jeepers, if the BMA heard there was an Indian doctor spouting such anti ISLAMIC garbage on net, you could be arrested. that is fact puttar

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  • shan

    Balwinder , perhaps your DELIRIUM TREMENS (find out from internet) needs treatment , stopping Daru and pyridoxine injection otherwise it will precipitate KORASKOFF WERNICKE PSYCHOSIS
    this is what i wrote , of which you did a amar singh style cut and splice like the Bhushan CD
    shan Reply:
    June 15th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    @Observer , so what you want to OBSERVE , a progrom against MUSLIMS a la gujrat style. . christians are treated badly , HAVENT SEEN THE WHITE CHRISTIAN WEST KICKING OUT MUSLIMS , IN FACT ALLOWING IN MUSLIMS FROM ALL THE WORLD , IRAQ ,IRAN SOMALIA ALL OF NORTH AFRICA , F UCKISTAN
    full well knowing they will be breeding like hell and breeding terrorist of the future.

    You would have been “sent to the kermit” were it a court of law for Perjury.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    I am glad the mention of BMA

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    actually, jokes besides a Chinese doctor was suspended last year for using abusive language on the net- chek it out it came on Daily Mail
    I am glad the mention of BMA gave you tremor and delirium
    the hit squad of BMA has been despatched to Kent to deregister you, Soon you will hear the sound of a door creaking, then the sound of wind howling in the trees, hoooooooo……
    to be contd

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    shan Reply:

    A joker amuses

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  • Praveen Saxena

    With regard to the Lokpal , we have seen some differences bein voiced between the Official and Non Official members with regard to Powers to be exercised by the Lokpal. The govt has been seen objecting to the Lokpal being the Investigator , prosecutor and Judge . This opposition of the govt appears to be strange especially when coming from a seasoned Advocate like Kapil Sibbal. Has Sibbal not read the Income Tax Act 1961, The Customs Act 1962, Central Excise Act 1944, FEMA, PMLA, COFEPOSA, State VAT Acts, where departmental officers collect intelligence, investigate and serve Show Cause Notices, sanction Search and Seizures, and then Adjudicate and impose punishments. They also have the Power to confiscate property seized in a Search.
    All decisions are however open to challenge in High courts and the Supreme Court. Such powers are vested in departmental officers only so that the process is swift and simple and the interest of Revenue is protected.
    So there is nothing startling if the Lokpal also exercises the same Powers and the govt.’s opposition only creates an impression that the Govt does not want an effective Lokpal.

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    shan Reply:

    THAT ONLY MEANS DAL ME KUCH KALA HAI. Also it is dragging on unneccasarily.ALSO THIS CIVIL SOCIETY BUSINESS IS NOT WHAT PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT.
    Also why cant BJP BRING PRIVATE MEMBERS BILL , and lets see what happens.
    I CANNOT HELP THINKING THERE ARE LOT OF PEOPLE ,WHO ARE IN FOR THE CAMERAS

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan,
    Don’t waste your energy on our version of Tajender ‘BALWINDER SINGH’. He has no views on the subject and is here for cracking some stale jokes. I am pretty sure he hardly reads Vinod’s blog. Thulla hai..

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    Stand alones are corrupt. Fine. But at least they dont sing at you and say

    Mera khoon toh khoon hai
    Aur tumhara khoon a paani

    Iss liye Nehru ki poti ko uski kursi mile
    Aur Badal ke potae ko

    Thum kya chahate ho Dilbar jaani..?
    Tumhari kismat mein toh likha hai saada paani… :D :D

    So that is why Balwinder I am against dyanstic succession. Why let only a few families prosper thru corruption. WHy not be more democratic about it ?? :D :D

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Where are you sir?

    At least you can complete this poem… It needs your jugalbandi…

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Off topic-
    Here are wonderful graphs showing development for major economies since 1960s. What strikes me is that in 1960s and 1970s, India was ahead of china in almost all the parameters.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13746908

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Quote of the day-
    “Sonia fighting against corruption is like pakistan fighting against terrorism”.

    This is apt comparison. By the way where is Amul Baby?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    It is undemocratic to stop dynasties into politics but the process should be such that it should not be a cakewalk for them to climb the ladders in politics (same rules should apply for people from non-dynasty background).

    One thing that I absolutely hate about Indian politics is misusing “EMOTIONS”. The biggest tragedy that happened in India was when Rajiv Gandhi was imposed and then elected due to sympathy wave after the assasination of Indira Gandhi.

    Our democracy is still stuck in 1980s. The TYAAG drama enacted by Sonia Gandhi was well understood by media but they went into propaganda mode and compared her sham act with MK Gandhi’s actions. Now the same media is hell bent on spreading pro-Rahul propaganda. The people of India are gullible and fall prey to this paid propaganda by journalists.

    This is the reason we need systemic changes to avoid dynastic succession without true experience and merit.

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    Observer Reply:

    Dynastic politics is part of third world, which is admired by ‘INTELLECTUALS” in that part of world. Therefore people EVEN from across border such as SHAN admire Nehru dynasty.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Observer

    these intellectuals get handouts from dynasties for writing court poetry which are poems of flattery…

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    shan Reply:

    Observer failed to observe that INDIRA GANDHI of that dynasty WAS THE LAST INDIAN LEADER TO TEACH PAKISTAN A LESSON AND LIBERATE A COUNTRY WHOSE WOMEN FOLKS WERE SYSTEMATICALLY RAPED BY PAKISTANI SOLDIERS.also failed to observe INDIRA GANDHI WON A FEW ELECTION WITH OVERWHELMING MAJORITY.
    OBSERVER MAY TRY READING THE BOOK “INDIRA” BY CATHERINE FRANK

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    Observer Reply:

    Shan

    That Ogress was the root of corruption in India. It is her obsessive desire to install dynasty that India, which has potential to be first world country is still a hungry country.

    shan Reply:

    That same Ogress was booted out along with his notorious son only TO COME BACK WITH A VENGEANCE AFTER LANDSLIDE VICTORY.

    Observer Reply:

    Shan,

    It is also her mishandling Pakistan,. which has created today’s problem of nuclear armed Pakistan supporting terrorism and world can not do anything about it, because World needs Pakistan to reach Afgahnistan.

    If Indira or Nehru had some smarts they would have seized Azad Kashmir and thereby India could effectively replace Pakistan. Then Pakistan would have been out of luck, her geopolitical advantage gone kaput..

    You like her because she made the mess.

    shan Reply:

    It is a self deception of enormous magnitude to think that if azad kashmir was captured and assimilated all the problems would have been solved.THE PROBLEMS ARE IN THE VALLEY AND THEY WANT TO EITHER MERGE WITH PAKISTAN OR BE INDEPENDENT.There is no voice which says lets grab azad kasmir INTO INDIA.
    Most of the bloggers are “time pass” . Do some reading , YOU WILL KNOW WHEN INDIRA GANDHI TOOK OVER IN 1969 INDIA WAS IN DEEP DEEP DEEP S H I T.Droughts, couple of wars with pakistan ,THIRD GRADE MARWARI LED PRIVATE SECTOR, RISING POPULATION
    Pakistan in armlock with USA. BLOGGING does not incur taxes, REALITY IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Also that was the ERA OF COLD WAR.Her Bank nationalisation AND SUBSEQUENT INCREASE OF NUMBER OF BANKS AND BANKING ACTIVITY TO ASTRONOMICAL PROPORTION
    is one of the turning points of indian history.
    remember 1974 and POKHRAN it didn’t drop from the sky
    IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND I CANNOT THINK OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE LIKE BAGLADESH WAR WHERE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY DEFIES A SUPERPOWER AMERICA, AND GIVES IT A TWO FINGER SALUTE
    Also I cannot think of ANY LEADER WHO HAVING CONQUERED AND DEFEATED , did NOT OCCUPY THE LAND nor HUMILIATE THE ADVERSARY(refer to kangaroo court of world war2 and refer to RECENT RAPE OF BAGHDAD(Abughraib)

    Observer Reply:

    Shan,

    Indian should wear INDIRA GANDHI’s garland of ” THIRD WORLD COUNTRY DEFIES A SUPERPOWER AMERICA, AND GIVES IT A TWO FINGER SALUTE” honor around the neck , while dying by thousand cuts inflicted by Pakistan empowered by her stupidity.

    shan Reply:

    despite the camouflaged secret desire of OBSERVER to see india dying by thousand cuts, this has not happened nor will ever happen . a few bombs here and there cannot scratch the will of ONE BILLION PEOPLE. as for pakistan we saw HOW AMERICA TREATED IT AT ABOTTABAD

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajeev

    WEll you cant ban a dynasty.

    But…

    You can impose limits on the number of years one person can be a CM or a PM. There is nothing like a superman in todays world. And frankly we have seen India progress faster when a Nehru- Gandhi was NOT a PM.

    When [eople understand that dynasties have reuslted in slow progress of states and the country, thigs r bound to change.

    Can you see the way NDTV gets orgasmic at the very mention of Rahul’s name? That is unfortunately the effect of imagianing someon has royal blood to succeed…

    SOme years back a prize idiot called Mani Aiya coined up an expression TINA– there is no alternative. Meaning that since rest of India did not have the NErhu bloodline, they could not become the Prime Ministers.

    NOw TINA actually means that there is no alternative for Mani Aiyar. THat since he has survived by being a doormat of the Nehru- Gandhi khandaan, it is the only alternative to get a kursi… :D :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Totally agree with you and this is why we need systemic changes so that dynastic succession does not take place anymore.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    Dont know whom should we trust. ? Everyone seems to be power hungry.

    Interesting article

    http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/How_Congress_Gameplan_Backfired_Rajat_Sharma-8457.html

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Inside story on how Congress tried to use Baba Ramdev to blunt Anna Hazare…Great read-

    http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/How_Congress_Gameplan_Backfired_Rajat_Sharma-8457.html
    How Congress Gameplan Backfired: Rajat Sharma
    [ Updated 14 Jun 2011, 21:58:59 ]

    Congress wounded by Anna’s misguided missiles had a perfect plan to counter the attack. The crafty leaders had worked out a strategy to use Swami Ramdev as a ‘Drone’ missile to hit target ‘Anna’, but the missile backfired. Now, Congress is running for cover both from Anna Hazare and Swami Ramdev. How did the Congress end up in this mess. Let me give you the inside story.

    First, the background: It was Swami Ramdev who had roped in Anna Hazare to join his anti-corruption crusade. It was Ramdev’s idea to sit on dharna at Jantar Mantar in the first week of April, but one of Anna’s men hijacked his idea. Anna announced his fast and dharna at Jantar Mantar on a date when Ramdev was stuck in Haridwar.

    An angry Ramdev initially decided to keep away from Anna’s show at Jantar Mantar. But all of a sudden, Anna became a hit. Support from the twitterati and the internet bloggers along with several under-employed film stars took both Swami Ramdev and Congress by surprise.

    It was then that Swami Ramdev changed his mind. He landed at Jantar Mantar ostensibly to lend support to Hazare’s fast. Swami Ramdev gave an energetic speech at Jantar Mantar which mesmerized the crowds present there, as also the supporters watching it live on television.

    By now the so called civil society had painted an unknown Anna as a modern Gandhi. The Congress, under pressure from public reaction, conceded to Anna’s demands. This victory for Anna, perhaps, left Ramdev wondering whether Anna had overtaken him as the man who would lead the new-age war against corruption. After all, it was Ramdev who had visited over 600 districts and addressed huge gatherings to muster public opinion against corruption. Ramdev had a mass base and a nationwide network of his own. Anna had none. How could Ramdev allow Anna to hijack his crusade?

    Ramdev decided to go in for a show of strength in New Delhi. He planned to bring one lakh supporters to Ramlila Maidan, compared to Anna’s one thousand at Jantar Mantar. If Anna could become a hero by forcing the Government on the Jan Lok Pal Bill issue, Ramdev thought he could force the government to agree to a law on a more popular issue, that of ‘black money’.

    Embarrassed over its abject surrender to Anna on the Lok Pal bill issue, the Congress now smelt an opportunity here.

    Ramdev was already friendly with a number of senior Congress leaders. Shiela Dixit, Bhupender Singh Hooda, Ghulam Nabi Azad, Vilas Rao Deshmukh, Kamal Nath and many others had been blessed at his yoga camps. Congress leaders saw Ramdev as a tool to fix Anna. That is the reason why Congress leaders whooped with joy when Ramdev said he did not support Anna’s demand for bringing the Prime Minister under the purview of Lok Pal. The Congress leaders thought that they had found an answer to Anna in Ramdev. Far way back in 1975, the Congress leaders had similarly pitched Acharya Vinoba Bhave as a ‘sarkari sant’ against Jaya Prakash Narayan. Bhave was known for praising Emergency as an ‘Anushashan Parva’ (era of discipline).

    Subodh Kant Sahay, who had a personal equation with Ramdev, was asked to cut short his U.S. visit. Kapil Sibal, the canny lawyer was asked to cancel his visit to London. Sudhir Chandra, then Chief of Central Board of Direct Taxes, was already in touch with Ramdev on his demands. An over-enthusiastic Government had discovered the magic formula to blunt, if not bury Anna’s movement. Congress believed that by accepting Ramdev’s demands, it will make him into a bigger hero. The gameplan was to finally draw Ramdev and his mass base towards Congress at least for the next general election.

    It was a perfect plan. That was the reason why the veteran Congressman Pranab Mukherjee along with three other ministers and the Cabinet Secretary rushed to Delhi airport to woo Ramdev. The idea behind this was to broadly accept Ramdev’s demands, persuade him to announce that the Government was sincere in bringing back black money and call off his dharna at Ramlila Maidan.

    Ramdev was ready to play along but was concerned over the reaction from his support base. He did not want to be branded a ‘Sarkari Sant’. He insisted that he would go ahead with his dharna at Ramlila Maidan at least for few days. Ramdev’s idea was to call it off after his show of strength, but the government did not trust Ramdev on this issue.

    The government had doubts that Ramdev might change his mind after one lakh supporters of his gathered at Ramlila Maidan. Efforts to persuade Ramdev to call off his fast unto death continued the next day. A compromise formula was worked out: that eighty per cent of Ramdev’s demands would be met, the government agreed to give this in writing, but on the condition that he will also give an assurance in writing that he would call off his satyagraha at the end of the first day.

    Ramdev was reluctant to sign the deal. But the tactful Sibbal made his Man Friday Acharya Balkishan to hand-write a letter to this effect. The acharya was told that this was meant only for the eyes of the Prime Minister.

    An inexperienced Ramdev trusted the political leaders he was dealing with. Keeping his word he ensured that none of the BJP leaders were seen in Ramlila Maidan. He categorically told RSS to keep off his satyagraha. Ramdev even collected a variety of Muslim leaders on stage. He refrained from making any adverse comment on Sonia Gandhi or Manmohan Singh. During the day he repeated several times that his movement was not aimed against “any Government or any Party”.

    But this was not enough to convince the wary Congress leaders. They were under attack in the media and inside their own party for going en masse to the airport to meet Ramdev. They did not want yet another Anna incident where the government might be seen submitting to the pressure, this time from the “Sadhu Society”.

    Ramdev was given a deadline of June 4 evening to call off his dharna. But with swelling crowds at the Ramlila Maidan and a government on its knees, Ramdev was enjoying his moments of glory. He did not want to be seen as someone who had given in easily. He wanted to continue this for one more day. This is where the complete mistrust between him and the government surfaced.
    Kapil Sibal was convinced that Ramdev was backing out from his commitment at the behest of RSS. He decided to ‘expose the Baba’ by releasing Acharya Balkishan’s letter to the media, suggesting that there was a ‘deal’ between Ramdev and the government.

    Sibal threatened that if Ramdev went back on his word, the government would teach him a lesson. Kapil’s now famous words “if we know how to accommodate, we also know how to rein in” turned out to be the breaking point. Angry hardliners in Congress believed that the Baba had cheated on them. They assumed that RSS was behind this. On the other hand, the Baba was furious. He felt that by revealing Acharya’s letter, the government had backstabbed him. Ramdev felt that the government wanted to discredit him.

    After almost announcing victory before the crowds present at Ramlila Maidan, Ramdev suddenly changed his tune. He gave a call for more of his supporters to join him at Ramlila Maidan. This made the Congress leaders nervous. With more supporters coming in the next day, they thought, it would be almost impossible to evict the Baba from Ramlila Maidan. The government then decided to move in a force of 5000 policemen.

    Rest is history: innocent, peaceful and hungry people sleeping in Ramlila Maidan were subjected to brutal lathi charge and tear gas by police. The Baba got the sympathy and the Government got the flak.

    Today, the mistrust between Ramdev and the Congress leadership is deeper. The Congress wanted to fix Anna by using Ramdev as a weapon. It ended up bringing Anna and Ramdev together. The Congress has been left with fewer friends. Now, it has to fight both Anna and Ramdev. They have to look for another tool, and a new game plan.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    A silly attempt to create an equation out of thin air.

    1) Ramdev, time and again. has shown inclination towards BJP & Co.

    2) At Jantar Mantar, Ramdev raised the question of Sonia’s foreign origin out of blue like any political leader during election and tried to take political mileage.

    Infact, Anna had to “beg” Ramdev on television not to convert this movement into a political gimmick.

    3) At NAC, Aruna Roy and full team of Anna ( Bhushans, Justice hegde, Kejriwals) had already been working on the drafting of LokPal bill . Most of the points had been agreed upon except ” 2 points” before Anna hit the street alongwith Bhushans, Justice hegde, Kejriwals and Kiran Bedi. It was Ms bedi and Kejriwals’ idea to have the dharna at Jantar Mantar instead at Mumbai.

    4) Since NAC had already done substantial work on LokPal Bill draft and the Govt. in principle had intended to go along on the idea of LokPal Bill, it (Govt.) did not find itself at odd with the Anna’s demand.

    We must understand in clear terms that Anna is the symbolic head of this dharna because of his high credentials. It’s not Anna but Kejriwal and Bhushans were actually involved in drafting of the modified version of the Lok Pal Bill.

    The facebook crowd was not aware of NAC’s proactive role in drafting the bill.

    And people who were aware and involved ( Bhushans, Hegde, Kejriwal ) in these deliberations at NAC kept mum for strange / obvious reasons.

    The Govt. might have hurried a little more because of sudden impact of street demonstrations in Arab countries.

    5) Lots of good work by the Govt. have been overshadowed by some silly hidden agenda of few guys that led to unnecessary scandals. Shoddy work during CWG and scandals of 2G spectrum have clearly undermined the otherwise good work by UPA. So it was natural that Govt. representatives did not want another breaking news when Ramdev called for fasting at ramlila maidan.

    Ramdev was shown the proof of work done by the Govt. to recover the black money abroad,

    Income-tax officials, including Central Board of Direct Taxes chief Sudhir Chandra, were sent to brief Ramdev on corruption, black money allegedly stashed abroad, and the “corrective” steps proposed, including amendments in the Prevention of Corruption Act.

    These officials also explained to Ramdev the legal hurdles in tax havens and the steps being taken by the government to recover black money. This meeting went on late into the night.

    Though hugely uncalled for, the ministers went to the airport to receive Ramdev and requested him to call off the dharna.

    Even at a 5 star hotel, Sibal and Sahay negotiated with Ramdev.

    Ramdev agreed to call off the dharna after a token fasting. There was a written agreement to this effect which was signed by Balkishan on behalf of Ramdev.

    6) Ramdev publicly declared that 90% things were agreed with the Govt.

    7) As usual and as expected Ramdev got carried away at the last moment. He pursued with his original plan even after having a clear , written agreement with the Govt. representatives.

    8) Ramdev and Anna are made of different stuff. More they work together, farther they will move away from each other because of the difference in their basic value systems. Nobody needs to use Ramdev against Anna. That combination will fall apart under its own weight of contradictions.

    9) Ramdev was never close to Congress and never will be. So the basic premise of this story is false.

    Everythingelse is silly.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    To me, it seems that the anti-corruption campaign was outsourced by the RSS/BJP to Ramdev to begin with and would have jumped on the bandwagon if it had succeeded. Later events proved that Ramdev turned out to be a man with feet of clay.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Watch the video.

    You will know how Ramdev decides the timing ( 11 am ) when to break the fast in consultation with BJP CM of Uttarakhand.

    [ Ramdev wants to break the fasting by 11 am but if people reach him by 12 o' clock to urge him break fasting, it's OK with him (Ramdev) ]

    This will give you further indication who Ramdev is close to and what a reality show he orchestrates !

    [ CM, Uttarakhand is talking to Advani over the phone ]

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Forgot to give the link. Here it is

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqsVrLtXl8&NR=1

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I saw the video. What Nishank is trying to do is break Ramdev’s fast?
    I guess same thing was done by congressmen to break Anna’s fast.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    I am not talking about what Nishank was trying to do.

    Everything was discussed in the previous night and Ramdev set the timing 11am and wanted people to be around by that time for the said event . It was OK even if they got late by 1 hour ( he could sustain himself!).

    Ramdev was setting the stage and timing for breaking the fast !

    Orchestrating the Reality Show for the public consumption!

  • http://- Rajeev

    Just realised Mohan Ramchandani has already posted the above article. Apologies…

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    “‘ ‘More Sanghi terror attacks than jihadi strikes since 2000′”" Digvijay says.

    There should be a law in our country that anyone who talks rubbish regularly should be
    compulsory sent to a mental hospital.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    It is possible Digvijay may engineer Hindu Muslim riots.

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Vijay,

    You are right. This guy should be stopped. iska screw dheela ho gaya hai.

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  • Rajiv

    Loved the comment

    “Congress fighting corruption is like Pakistan fighting terrorism”

    There are so many similarities !!!
    Good corruption , bad corruption ( good militants, bad militants )

    There is no/lack of evidense against 26/11 accused.
    There is lack of evidense against the Congress accused..

    No Pakistani terrorists on foreign soil
    No undisclosed bank accounts in foreign banks..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Actual comment made by Gadkari is “SONIA fighting corruption is like Pakistan fighting terrorism”

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Mohan

    Screw dheela or dimag crooked. his basic idea is to make Muslims hate Hindus. And then say only the Congress can be your saviours. He is the “Nafrat aur maut ka saudagar…”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I remember few years back, Digvijay was caned black and blue to Madhya Pradesh police, since then he has lost mental balance and now keeps blurting poop all the time.

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  • Manohar_T

    Whether the Prime Minister, the judiciary, the MPs in parliament and the MLA/MLCs in state legislatures be are brought under the Lok Pal is a matter of detail.

    IMO, they should not be included. One should not undermine the authority of the Prime Minister. There should be independent mechanism to deal with corruption and misdeeds in the judiciary. The Parliament has the mechanism to deal with wayward members, Weren’t the MPs caught in cash for questions expelled from the house by the Parliament itself in 2005? Of course, for their misdeeds outside the Parliament they should be subject to the scrutiny by the watchdog.

    There should be an effective mechanism to deal with corruption and wrong doings in the Government. Having a strong constitutional body like the proposed Lok Pal would act as deterrent with necessary checks and balances – one cannot have unelected body dictating things to others. The question is what if this body is found not to be above board, then what? Who will police the the Lok Pal? Another Super Lok Pal?

    To cleanse the system, a beginning has to made by the political parties themselves and there should be state funding of the elections.

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  • shan

    @RAJEEV not trying to nosy, its quite fascinating what you describe about the naqsbandi branch of your family.There used to be a song writer called naqsbandi.
    Is it your dad’s side or your mom’s side . Would be very interested to know , as you are in a unique position to straddle both cultures. Please enlighten us , this is the beauty of coming to these blogs.Regards Shan

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I am not aware of any song writer Naqsbandi but my family from father side is follower of Naqsbandi sufi order.
    More here-
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naqshbandi

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    Ravi Reply:

    :) ,:),:),:),:)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You should know that Sufis don’t support Al-Qaeda like you do. ;) ;) :) :)

  • http://- Rajeev
  • shan

    @rajeev , you may be right , it is probably naqsh lyallpuri i confused with. but i have come across naqshbandi in other context , just can’t recall ? aatish taseer’s book.
    However as they say STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE , here is one for you
    Most British sex offenders are lone white men, but an examination of court cases involving multiple offenders from 13 towns and cities showed that out of 56 men convicted of offences where girls they met on the street were groomed and sexually exploited, 50 were Muslim, mostly of Pakistani heritage.
    RELIGION HAS PROBABLY A ROLE TO PLAY HERE

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  • shan

    @rajeev , MIND BOGGLING , greatest thing i have come across on the net ,LALAJI BECOMES NAQSHBANDI . Do enlighten us . It does all go up to he prophet though , and that gentleman , sorry i dont have great deal of respect as a spirituual fellow , BUT OUTSTANDING FIGURE OF ARAB NATIONALISM AND MILITARY STRATEGIST. Aparently there was a photo of TaoBuddha ramchandra NAQQSHBANDI
    Holy Maccaroni. cant take it any more , i am off to sleep.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shan

    Cmon if you are doctor as you claim you are… you may be aware that astigmatism is a disease which makes you see double images and distorted images. Now Van Gog was a astigmatic.

    The whole world is hunting for his paitings thinking they are real art while for Van Gogh the world may well just be what he saw thru his astigmatic eyes :D

    I bet u thunk he was a genius !

    Rembrandt is fine but… well a lot is hype which thum saala inferiority complex waala kya samjhega :D

    I bet you even love the bland British food … all part of being a WOG you know :D

    Now i am rolling down laughing. Fish and Chips is better than machar jhol and Bengali fish… hai na??

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    shan Reply:

    Vijay Kumar EAT YOUR WORDS
    UK panel favours aid to India
    Press Trust Of India
    London, June 15, 2011
    First Published: 23:31 IST(15/6/2011)
    Last Updated: 01:58 IST(16/6/2011)
    Britain should continue its 280 million pounds per annum aid to India for the next four years, a top parliamentary panel has said, but sought fundamental changes in the policy in 2015. “The test of whether the UK should continue to give aid to India is whether that aid makes a distinct, value-added
    contribution to poverty reduction which would not otherwise happen,” said Malcolm Bruce, chairman of parliamentary committee on international development.

    The panel noted that more than 400 million people still live on less than $1.25 a day in India and British funds can still make a difference

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    I am not eating my words… I am rolling down with laughter !

    UK aid is just a return of the money taken in bags once from here. I think you take the British drivel very seriously !!

    Do you know India is provideing aid of 5 billion USD to Africa. How much is UK giving?? :D

    As far as this gen of Indians go they look deep into gora eyes and say, “gora aadmi… thum gora hum kaala… par haum dilwaala… Thum apni maa ko old age home bhaejta hai… hum apniu maa ke roz charan touch karta hai. !! Thum apni aulad ko pehchanata nahin… nahin pata kiska bachcha kahan paida hua… kaun baap hai… Aur hum bachcha ko pyaar se paalta…”

    O Shan dear !! The days of UK have gone ! Its no longer a soft power. And no longer an industrial power… Now all the manufacturing is being done in China and partly in India. And software is India India India… :D

    I think you should follow a secret agenda by joining the Ramdev camp and becoming the UK PM so that floogates for 67 million Bengalis are opened to overhaul the 63 million native population :D :D

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  • shan

    @Vijay kumar < stick to karan johar movies , chacha chowdhury comics. It is beyond you to appreciate Van Gogh , Rembrandt , or Canaletto, .
    I have Mark Rothko prints hanging on the wall of my living room, he used to be a manic depressive .
    Many of the french painters died of syphilis ,doesn't make their work any inferior, RAPHAEL died at the age of 25 from "amorous excesses" , I have seen his painting of POPE INNOCENTI , it is the same feeling of watching tajmahal on a full moon light.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    My god … “amorous excess” :D Err… did he overdo it?

    Maybe he should have tried Shilajit.

    I have no doubt that Van Gogh was good but so was his astimatism.
    You are hooked intot he realism which died when photography came in.
    As far as paintings go it is all in the eyes of the beholder .. as well as the hype created around him or her.

    Now UK has lost the power to create hype thru its supplicant citizens and media world wide. So understand what am saying.

    For example only the most romantic and naive would have fallen for the trash of the Kate- Prince William wedding. I bet you would be swooning in romantic fervour.

    To me PiPPa who poses nude at the drop of a hat and has been offered 5 miilion pounds for a porno film is more representative of the UK of today. Did’nt Sarah Fergusan finally succumb to the lure of the dollar for throwing of her clothes?? :D

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    shan Reply:

    Oh really , what about that pandey or jha bird who said and stripped after india winning world cup.
    Oh really how about NIHARI CHILD RAPE AND MURDER IN YOUR BELOVED NOIDA
    and how about the rumours making round that ARUSHI knew about SWINGING that TALWARS were engaged in.
    INDIA IS RANKED 4TH WORST COUNTRY FOR WOMEN
    WITH FOETICIDE AND RAPE
    ONLY TWO DAYS AGO IN YOUR PUNYA STHAN DELHI A RICH GIRL WAS DRAGGED OUT OF HER CAR AND RAPED .
    DELHI IS THE RAPE CAPITAL AND GROPING IN THE BUSES CAPITAL OF PLANET EARTH

    WAKEY WAKEY

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    As per your version even the Yorkshire riper would be from INdia :D

  • shan

    @Vijay kumar , the DIM , this from NYT
    Four decades after the Green Revolution seemed to be solving India’s food problems, nearly half of Indian children age 5 or younger are malnourished. And soaring food prices, a problem around the world, are especially acute in India
    WELL WRITE SOME SOFTWARE AND THIS WILL ALLEVIATE HUNGER
    Anybody concerned with welfare of India should read the outstandind article
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/business/global/12food.htm(yes it is a gora paper)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shan O Shan

    The UK does not produce its own food…

    It does not make its software and cars

    And now it does not even produces its own children

    Indians can give a helping hand here… :D

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay kumar bhand, INDIA PRODUCES ITS OWN FOOD, this from the article from the NYT mentioned above
    As a result, India is importing ever greater amounts of some staples like beans and lentils (up 157 percent from 2004 to 2009) and cooking oil (up 68 percent in the same period).

    As for india’s popular culture ,how about koun banega crorpati, big boss, now coming Xfactor
    WHERE WERE THEY COPIED FROM
    India’s car industry is nothing to be proud about. Only tata makes car ,of which indiica ,the design is pinafarina, engine is puegot, Nano , engine is BOSCH, so much for indian car industry.
    UK has massive car manufacturing ADMITTED ALL OWNED BY FOREIGNERS, BUT ALL THOSE BRANDS AND CARS ARE BRITISH , JAGUAR (TOTAL FORD AND VOLVO DESIGNED) Range rover MINI, Aston Martin, Lotus . Also all those japanese and american car manufacturers that have opened factories have also factories in uk.
    As for being DIWALA and PUja to your mother , it shows up in a DALIT GIRL’s body hanging from tree in the police station , AND THE EPIDEMIC OF DOWRY DEATHS.
    You are what is known in calcutta , eint,(BRICK)

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    my-god-is-nirad-choudhry-my-name-is-shan-pareshan
    i-stuck-as-cleaner-in-heathrow-toilet-lekin-mera-england-mahaan
    spank-me-i-love-it-my-name-is-shan khan

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan with apologies to Rajeev for topic diversion :D

    Shan one thing you can surely learn from the British and teach to the Bongs. On how much to talk in the Metro.underground and how much to talk in office and resturaunts…

    :D :D

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    this is the level of SHAN’S world view and focus- “”"and how about the rumours making round that ARUSHI knew about SWINGING that TALWARS were engaged in.”"”

    GOD help us all- the comments section is getting dreary. Thanks SHAN for driving away all the pundits- syed, Ashish, Dr Mishra, Vinay.

    Another example of SHAN’S boasting and white ar se licking “”"@Vijay kumar -It is beyond you to appreciate Van Gogh , Rembrandt , or Canaletto, I have Mark Rothko prints hanging on the wall of my living room,”"”
    rabba mere, mainu bacha

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    VINOD SHARMAJI, pl you send email to mishraji, syed bhai, shenoy poet, Vinay, Dr Shah Alam Khan and Ashish- we need their very rich contributions which then gets our own creative juices flowing
    Mishraji in particular sets this place alight with his life experiences- ghazals, sailing etc

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    shan Reply:

    rabba mere daru aur immigration officer se bacha

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Shan & Vijay,
    Can we not talk about tiny Island anymore and keep our focus on the subject?

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  • shan

    @rajeev, you enlighten us about naqshbandi and your experience of straddling both cultures. Was there conflict in paternal relations and maternal relations.

    As for LOKPAL it is getting silly ,one guy said rightly on NDTV, if CVC and CBI were given teeth and these people had AN ERECT SPINE , we do not need LOKPAL.Just revealed AMBANI bribing the commissioner HYDRO CARBONS with a FLAT , WILL ANYTHING HAPPEN NEVER .

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I don’t know why you are asking such a question. There was never a conflict. We have been sufis from both sides but it is rebel in me that has always asked the question why do muslims show contempt to hindu religion and gods. I am a sufi hindu but I have right to ask for tolerance from other side.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Read page 129 of
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/51933798/2/Photo-Gallery

    It reflects my views acceptable within Sufism.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev, many Thanks , I think it is not muslims showing disrespect to hinduism , this naqshbandi tradition of SHRINES is ananthema to WAHABI islam , to them it is idol worship, as one pakistani punjabi rather tunnel vision doctor told me.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajeev

    Was just having some afternoon fun with Shan. just reminding him that the UK is about the size of Rajasthan and Gujurat and probably has a smilar economy. And the days when you could say, ” Guys… the Gora has given me the visa and I am now his Alsation have gone ! ”

    But all in good fun. With no intention to insult…

    Anyway coming back to our topic, I think the Congress has got the bill the way it wants it.

    AS A TOOL TO HOUND THE OPPOSITION…

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    SHAN, yawn, I need to sleep.
    Pl do post some of your usual inane banal stuff.

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    shan Reply:

    go back to your cheap daru , as usually you do for going back to sleep.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    :D :D :D ~~~ EUREKA !! BREAKING NEWS !!!!! EUREKA !!! BREAKING NEWS !!! :D :D :D

    Question : Can the Congress allow the PM to come under LOK Pal ??

    Answer : Why should it?? The Lok pal may start examining the Bofors and HDW and Mr Q. SO it would never never allow ex PM’s :D

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  • Rajiv

    Guys some news from Pakistan….
    —————————————————-

    Pakistani file actress, Meera, is doing a TV show ‘Kaun banega Meera-pati’ ( a copy of Rakhi Sawant show ). This is what she had to say about Mahesh Bhatt.

    “The star recently accused Indian filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt of abusing her because he felt threatened of her growing stardom. “Bhatt wanted me to stick to his banner. When I told him I wanted to meet Subhash Ghai, he shouted at me and even slapped me thrice,” said Meera. She also claimed that Bhatt had special feelings for her.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/190150/meeras-search-for-mr-right/

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  • pankaj#1

    Guys;
    with full knowledge that I may be barred from this blog too, I will post Shenoy’s letter, followed by his poem.

    Bangalore
    14th June, 2011

    My dear Shri Pankaj ji,

    I am sorry that I didn’t respond to your mail of a few days back.
    Since we were otherwise meeting on Vinod Sharma’s blog, I thought let me reply after a while.
    So long as I was there, I too did enjoy the exchanges and repartees, but all good things, I feel, do come to an end.
    In my case, Vinodji has sreen to it that mine came to an abrupt and unnatural end.
    My comments of today were twice put on moderation, twice deleted and finally have been deleted.
    Even otherwise, I had challenged him that the day he removes Ravi and Tajender, I would take sanyas from his blog.
    I think it is good for his health. My presence and my posts seem to give a boost to his BP like a pump.

    I am glad you have offered to meet me when you are in Bangalore next time.
    I am actually running a garment industry supplying uniforms to colleges, hotels, offices and Industrial units.
    I employ around 40 people throughout the year and during the season (July to Nov) the number goes up to about 100.
    This industry I started after I took voluntary retirement from Syndicate Bank, where I worked as a Senior Manager till 2000.

    I am glad to inform you that I also “gift” free uniforms to at least 50 students of class1-5 of different schools, every year as my small service to society.
    This year, due to intense pressure from several of my friends, I am forming an NGO to institutionalise the social work, so that more and more needy students can be helped. Many have offered to enlarge the pool.
    I am planning to gift school bags, shoes and even rain coats to needy students.
    I have never discriminated on religious lines. In fact, many Muslim students have received help from me.
    About half of my staff are Muslims.

    I would very much love to be in touch with you and also Vijay Kumar and if possible with praveen Saxena.

    I often write to several editors on their articles. I have a long list of friends to whom I send copies of these letters.
    Please don’t mind if I add your name to that list.

    I will end this letter with a prayer to God to gift you with all the good things in life and also a long and healthy life.
    May your life be blessed with embellishments of good deeds.

    With Kind Regards

    yours sincerely,

    B.V.SHENOY

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I would request you to make Mr.Shenoy understand that this is a blog where he will have to bear all kinds of insults from opposite party. He has to develop sense to respond as situation demands. Mr.Vinod Sharma does have problem with his mindset because he is very arrogant and holds everyone opposed to his view in contempt.
    He needs to come back and fight Sharma at ideological level and if need be at the level of Sharma.
    Thanks
    Rajeev

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    But as per his letter, he is being stonewalled evrytime.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I think, he needs to keep posting addressing Mr.Sharma, shaming him for his arrogance and intolerance.

    sarvesh Reply:

    It is disappointing to know that an able blogger of B. V. Shenoy’s capability has been censored from this forum. I am following Vinod Sharma’s blogs for last three months and became addict of this blog because of the quality of discussion taking place here. Generally, I do not participate in debates on internet forums because lack of coherence in my writing, therefore it is only my second post here.

    I understand that there was strong divergence in opinion between Mr.Sharma
    and Mr. Shenoy, but censoring opinions from opposite party will not help. If B.V. Shenoy happens to read this, I would like to say that, I liked your way of blogging.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @sarvesh
    Pl visit more often. Don’t get weighed down by your lack of command over the language. The more you’d write, the better you’d get. I say this as someone who makes a living out of writing.
    Also don’t be under the false notion that there is censorship here. We are only guarding against abuses and disrespect to religions. The person you have named was never singled out for any censorship.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    You can now seen journos from Telegraph and TOI speaking govt. line on Lokpal…
    http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Divide-formal-now—2/videoshow/4376086.cms

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  • pankaj#1

    Bangalore
    16th June, 2011

    My dear Dr. Pankaj ji,

    I am sure you received my last mail. How is it that I am not seeing your posts on Vinod’s blog?

    Here is a small “poem”, I am sure you will like it.
    you can repoduce it on his blog.

    with great felicity Vinod wears many topees
    though some cause headaches, others bring in the rupees

    as an editor with HT, he has good standing
    but on issues of import, he lacks understanding

    on the NCM, he rightly cares for every minority
    never mind if he forgets that he represents the majority

    On TV he attacks the BJP with unconcealed passion
    but, for the congress, he has nothing but compassion

    On his blog, he merely looks on when Pakistanis spew bile and s.h.i.t
    but for “sanghis” and compatriots he reserves mouthfuls of spit

    With best wishes

    B.V.SHENOY
    Shenoy Sahab;
    I posted your letter too, without your permission. It was such a good letter, that I thought, that it should be seen by a wider audience.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sorry to poop your party.

    With great alacrity Shenoy wears a black topee
    Respect is what he craves, for he has plenty a rupee.

    As an industrialist, he has more than good standing
    But on social issues extremely communal is his understanding

    He pretends that he cares for every minority
    Fact remains he is basically biased towards the majority

    On blogs here he attacks liberals with intense passion
    For fellow right-wingers, he has bags and bags of compassion

    On this blog he calls every liberal a PAKS-its
    Like all Sanghis he is a nothing but a crypto fascist

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sorry to copy your poetry-

    With great alacrity Ravi wears a Gol topee
    Respect is what he craves, for he has no rupee.

    As an Babu, he has bad standing
    But on social issues extremely communal is his understanding

    He pretends that he cares for every minority
    Fact remains he is basically biased towards the Islami

    On blogs here he attacks Indians with intense passion
    For fellow wahabis, he has bags and bags of compassion

    On this blog he calls every Indian a Sanghi
    Like all wahabis he is a nothing but a Islamic fascist

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    A fit reply to the Wahabi. You have shown that there are others besides Shenoy and Vijay Kumar who can pen poems with “punch” capable of blasting suicide bombers.

    P.S. Since my earlier posts were deleted, I doubt this post would see the light of the day. Still, no harm in posting.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shenoy,
    I’d like to admit that I copied Ravi’s poem and inserted my words.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Fellow bloggers,

    you have seen how the superturd copycats others’ posts. And shamelessly too, displaying his utter lack of originality, which can easily be upped at no extra effort, as Rajeev’s reply to him has shown.

    aise superturdonko Allah khair karen.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I think only Shakespeare is remembered today and not anyone who tried to copy him !!

    For the time being let things be quiet. One Tajendar T U R D has been evicted out of the house. Anyone with a hidden agenda would follow suit on popular demand

    Right now Ravi is acting smart by taking up cudgels on behalf of Vinodji and answering for him to get good marks in Vinod’s books. But a good school principal always recognises the student who is chamcha and the strategy wont work for long :D

    What willl work for Ravi is being civil and also recognising the hurt to Hindu feelings as much as Sikh Muslim or Christian feelings which occurs when Wahabbis come out with a hidden agenda.

    he should remember that his family had to flee from the land of his forefathers when the fanatics who dreamt of Pakistan wanted to convert or kill everyone who was there. Also recognise that pandering to Wahabbism has decimatd Hindus, Sikhs and Christians to less than 2% from 25% of Pakistan.

  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Your wish for a poem from Shenoy Sahab has been fulfilled.

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  • rajiv

    @Mr Shenoy,
    Hopefully you will change your decision and come back to the blog as evidently you have severel friends here.
    If I may add, the point in these blogs is to inform others , in the process of making an argument. No one can win an argument , unless the loser acknowledges and what are the chances of that ?
    The people who have vested interests are already exposed.

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  • shan

    @serious bloggers and not time pass pakistan bashing types
    Guys we need to discuss this FARCE of admission in colleges in india. just saw in NDTV , the cut off mark is 100% . IT IS A JOKE .india is fast becoming a BANANA REPUBLIC. Incredible with this type of education system which excludes 90% you will get , what you are getting , A SHAM DEMOCRACY

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan,

    Wallowing in self pity whenever Pakistan bashes us seems to be your idea of “serious blogging”.

    About the admissions in Delhi your take is incoherent, to say the least. I think you are showing tedencies of becoming ’shikaar’ of bootleggers in London.

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    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy , revelaed yourself.
    not that one expected any better from someone, who probably was forced to take early retiement for “irregularity” found during auditing of syndicate bank.From someone who probably EMPLOYS CHILD LABOUR in his garment factory. Yes why should we discuss the morass the education system is in.If all children get descent education WHERE WILL I FIND BY CHILD LABOUR , THEY WOULD BE IN SCHOOL. So we discuss pakistan or more honestly use the punch bag pakistan ,
    not that it is a subterfuge , due to the prick of conscience FOR SHENOY DOESN’T HAVE A CONSCIENCE

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Accusing, falsely, Indian garment industry of child labour has for long been the favourite mode of attack for the American and European business empires which feel the competition unbearable and life threatening.

    The BBC, your favourite, has been asked to apologise for showing fake tapes of child labour alleged against one of the top brands. Vinod Sharma may feel relieved by the fact that even the once very reputable BBC resorts to showing fake CDs of child labour on its channels.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    A totally uncalled for allegation.

    If i were to say that Shan cleared his medicine in a correspondence school and then got a fake degree made from a printer in the backlanes of Howrah, how would you feel?

    But then today’s newspaper shows that even BBC made false allegations of child labout against Indian suppliers of Primark. :D

    yeh haal ho gaya hai… mere pyaare Briton ka. Ch Ch… decline decline personified…

    Cmon Shan… r u coming back to Cal to teach brother Bongs on how to talk on the metro :D

    shan Reply:

    But the brand PRIMARK was forced to dismiss TWO SUPPLIERS for using the CHILD LABOUR.
    That documentary I HAVE SEEN MYSELF. some footage on close inspection may show inconsitency , but there were several others which openly showed child labour at work. HAVE YOU HEARD OF SIVAKASI if not then enlighten yourself
    The practice of bonded child labor is prevalent in many parts of rural India, but is very conspicuously in the Vellore district of Tamil Nadu. Here the bonded child is allowed to reside with his parents, if he presents himself for work at 8 a.m. every day. The practice of child bonded labor persists like a scourge to humanity in spite of many laws against it. These laws although stringent and providing for imprisonment and imposition of huge fines on those who are found guilty are literally non- functional in terms of implementation.
    ww.childlabor.in/bonded-child-labour-in-india.htm

    SORRY PAKISTAN CANNOT BE BLAIMED
    Child labour robs country of 1.2 lakh cr annually: Report
    Indrani Basu, TNN Jun 13, 2011, 03.28am IST

    NEW DELHI: Around Rs 1,20,000 crore is pocketed as profit by employers of child labour annually in India, an amount that is rarely reported as income to the government in order to evade taxes.

    This is the startling claim of a preliminary report of a child rights NGO.

    According to the NGO’s estimates, there are six crore child labourers in the country currently. “This is including the number of children who have dropped out of school or never returned, unlike government estimates which only take into account the number of children who have never gone to school,” explained Bhuwan Ribhu, lawyer for the NGO Bachpan Bachao Andolan.

    As per government estimates, Rs 15 is spent on a child labourer per day while as per the national floor wage, an adult labourer must be paid Rs 115 per day. Assuming these child labourers work for approximately 200 days a year, the total amount comes to Rs 18,000 crores annually

    Ravi Reply:

    I think some slight of hand is taking place here.

    The apology BBC is being asked to made, relates to images of Children working on Primark Garments. Where as the reality is that the children shown were not working on the Primark contract.

    The apology is not that use of Child Labour is not common place in India. It clearly is.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan,

    My career of 35 years with Syndicate Bank has been a source of great joy and fulfillment for me as well as for my employer, for the simple reason that it was unblemished and success-filled. Over a million customers were treated well and even the weakest, poorest of customers received respect and financial help under my management. It is a matter of greatest satisfaction for me to recall that I helped, as a branch manager, scores of Sikh businessmen and individuals, to re-establish themselves post the 1984 anti-Sikh pogrom of Rajiv Gandhi and his murderous goons.

    But Shaan, you are the last person I expect, to appreciate all these finer points.

    shan Reply:

    @shenoy, would you be honest enough to enlighten us bloggers what percentage of the LOAN was DEMANDED as an “APPROVAL CHARGE” to be paid back to the MANAGERS

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shan
    Some people employ muslims because they are good at tailoring, not out of any love for that community. These guys also fake martyrdom, like this garment maker who claims only his comments were being moderated. He believes he was singled out becuase he was a champion blogger without any match,
    Let this person see the exchanges between me and other bloggers when we started moderating comments at the time they were posted. Later we agreed to have objectionable comments screended retrospectively.
    Vijay Kumar has had the honesty to point this out. But the Lord Ram who has returned from his self imposed vanvas insists that he was booted out. Ask him to stop this dramabaazi to earn sympathy he does not deserve.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod SHarma

    No Ramayan is complete without Lord Rama…

    Observer Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma,

    As a person who is championing minority rights, your dingo like silence regarding plights of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan is surprising.

    Let us say for the sake of argument, that Shenoy may not have totally altruistic motives for employing Muslims, but at least he is doing it.

    In contrast as soon as Rajiv raised the issue of plight of Hindus and Sikhs you left blog like the prophet left Mecca. At least prophet had courage to came back and he fought back, unlike you. You left the topic like a dog with his tail between hind legs and never returned.

    It would equivalent to the case of as soon as I ask Senoy to employ a Muslim, and he runs to the door.

    Rajeev Reply:

    As far as I am concerned, I’d not ever hire a hindu or muslim employee who insists on prayer breaks..Never.

    Observer Reply:

    I have no problem employee wanting prayer breaks. But it would be granted on individual basis, not collective. It would unofficial and will be tolerated for person with higher productivity, not at all with low productivity. It would be bonus based on performance.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sorry, I don’t believe in mixing business and religion.

    If you are so worried about heaven, make all the plans in your personal time, not when I am paying you. The office premises and time are strictly for work only.

    Observer Reply:

    Private business are result oriented, not procedure oriented, otherwise they become Bureaucracy. I believe in flexibility. If you give right employee flexibility he will in return will give you far better results than if you stick to fix hours and that kind of idea. Of course it depends on industry.

    shan Reply:

    This prayer business has assumed ludicrous proportion in everyday work. A junior doctor in my team suddenly shoots off from the ward round. Apparently it his time for prayers. Every hospital has to provide prayer room for them , and recently students at UCL (where the undie bomber was indoctrinated) refused to use the common prayer room AS IT IS USED BY I N F I D E L S

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I agree with you. I had to deal with really stressful situation because my dear friends announced that “whatever the case may be, I can not miss my Jumma prayers”…The situation was so intense that it would have cause company millions of dollar had my team not taken the ownership of situation.

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    see Vijay Kumar, I am resting, meditating and preparing for surgery and you are provoking me about SHAN-PARESHAN (what a lovely name Shenoy gave him)-

    “”"Vijay Kumar Reply: @ Balwinder , I hope you are NOT going for a hernia operation. Imagine Shan is your doctor. And he is all out to take revenge. The Surgeon’s supersharp knife is in his hand….

    Vijay Kumar Reply: @ Shan, O dear Shan… and pretending to be white to the Indians… is the last resort of being REJECTED as a WOG

    Vijay Kumar Reply: @ Balwinder..,O the other hand you could just snatch the surgeon’s knife from Shan. And… “”"
    now Vijay Kumar, you are raising my BP and giving me ideas

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    hehe

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    absolutely final now- I am not coming back for 2 weeks, need to concentrate on my surgary and recovery. PLEASE NO ONE TEMPT ME WITH shan JOKES

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Balwinder,
    Wish you a full and quick recovery.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    DO NOT LOWER YOUR GUARD that Pakinder is thown out from this blog and now you can relax.
    Beware of Shaan’s jokes, they can cause septic! And when you laugh your guts out, the stitches may come out.

    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    Get well soon. At least you will be away and safe from your wife’s belans.

    Ravi Reply:

    Eh gaana barda navan hai, itna navan hai ki isno K. L. Sehgal ne gaya si.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    I was just pulling his leg. Nothing more… And I m sure his comments on Delhites too are not to be taken seriously.. !

    @ Shan

    Dont take me too seriously…

    @ Balwinder

    I was joking about the surgery. now dont attack ur surgeon. :D
    But hope u do get well soon

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Actually, the real joke is the jokapal bill, the Manmohan Singh government is determined to shove down the nation’s throat.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Every few months some European comes to India and is caught for child sexual abuse. In case you want to do something for Indian child labout you should stand outside Heathrow and distribute pamphlets that British citizens should not do this in India… :D

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay, So NIHARI killing took place outside heathrow , wakey wakey

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Shenoy is running a business where skills of tailors are must. So it is natural that his half of the employees are muslims. This proves that he is equal opportunity employer which itself is commendable when you look at the fact the firms run by minorities prefer people from their own community.

    But the basic rule of business is profit and continuous increase in profits so if Shenoy’s hindu or muslim employees don’t perform, he will axe them without any secular or communal thought.

    So let us keep things like business away from secular/communal politics.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Ravi and Rajeev,

    Vinodji is right in saying that I do not employ Muslims because I love them.
    I employ them because I DO NOT HATE MUSLIMS.
    Some of these are working for me for over a decade, because they know well that I am a decent, fair minded and even kind employer to work for.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    I for one has never challenged that. I did say that in real life you are probably an unpstanding citizen of Banglore.

    Your response was to for the 100th time STATE that I am a Pakistani.

    Iyou expect us to believe you because “man says so” then that has to be true for others too.

    I am sure you know exactly what I mean.

    Regards

    Ravi

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Ravi, kakey, bore na kar, NAYA GAANA GAA

    Ravi Reply:

    Sardar Ji

    Tusi wi navan dhol vajao, mein vi navan gana gavan ga.

    Purani tune te, purana hi gaana changa lagda hai.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    So the Yorkshire ripper lived in Chowranghee ?? I thought the stoneman lived there :D :D

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    shan Reply:

    yORKSHIRE RIPPER CIRCA 1956 , nIHARI CIRCA 2005, YORKSHIRE RIPPER VICTIMS 5 IN NUMBER , NIHARI 20 IN NUMBER . YORKSHIRE RIPPER VICTIMS AGE 20-40 , PROSTITUTES , NIHARI VICTIMS AGE 4-13 ALL POOR GIRLS FROM YOUR BELOVED NOIDA

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj and Shenoy

    I feel that you may have been stonewalled in the period when this blog was being firewalled to stop the entry of Tajendar. At that point three of my postings also “disappeared.”

    Shenoy, you could make one last try and see if the entry point is still open. If it is cleosed for you, a lot of us will get a hint…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    I hav ealready done that. Now I am sitting back and watching.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Ravi

    Your attack on Shenoy from a pre-determined position shows a lack of understanding on various Indian issues. I asked you your position on various issues in the previous blog and you could not provide a satisfatory answer.

    Most Indians are exasperated and angry that “secularism’ today means pandering to fanatiscism. I think that is what drives Shenoy to vent out his anger.

    — He employs more than 50 people, more than half being Muslims
    — he donates bags and books to children without religoius discrimintaion or an agenda for conversion.

    That is what true secularism is. I think you should learn from him. :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    You did not ask me anything.

    All you did was lay a trap for me.

    It appears that BV Shenoy and you (though less recently) are hell bent in trying to prove that I am a WAHABI, (even this is a promotion from a mere Pakistani). The status quo as it stands at the moment is, that those who share your views believe that I am a Pakistani. More importantly, those who differ from your ideology do not believe or care what nationality I am.

    So I hope you do not mind if I walk past your trap.

    I do not doubt even for one nano second, that in real life Mr Shenoy is an upstanding citizen of Banglore, for all you know I may even have bumped into him in the Garurada Mall, eating Coin Prata (!!). His philinthropic activities are to be comended.

    Howere, here in this blog.

    I detest the ideology Shenoy represents (RSS/BJP) and I am within my rights to oppose it.

    I will oppose it.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ravi,

    it is informative as well as gratifying to note that outside of the Wahabi code and ISI diktats, Pakistanis have “rights” and some of them even use them.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    For as long as you continue to call me Pakistani/Wahabi/ISI Agent.

    Without any proof what so ever. It takes nothing, no thinking just pure abuse.

    I will be after you. Rest assured.

    Right now I am maintaining my decorum, but do not be surprised if I was to loose it.

    You will then see the creative side of me.

    I made this offer before and I will make it again.

    Stay away from personal abuse and I will discuss and be civil to you. You attack me then be prepared to be counter attacked.

    So what is your standing outside of the Sangh code. Sorry even if I knew it would not be gratifying. Lets face it you are a crypto fascist.

    See how easy it is.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    You have full rights to oppose any views in democractic India. Trouble arises only in case you go down to a personal level as you did 2-3 blogs back.

    you have to realise that there is a silent majority in this country which does not like the way minority
    communalism is encouraged for vote bank politics.. And in case they point out that Diginvash making ight of the 26/11 or other jehadi attacks is being anti national, they are called Hindu fundamantalists.

    There is an internaional war of civilaisations going on. Laden wanted to win it by converting the world to his version of violent Islam. Bush and European think tanks push the case of secular christianity. Hindus dont have a an agenda to convert, so they feel cheated at times.

    But in the end, should we then condemn the guy who doesnt convert or kill and laud the guys who do this?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I suggest you post the PROOF that I was the FIRST person to start on this personal abuse path.

    YOU WILL FIND THAT I WAS NOT

    Vote Bank Politics, I have expressed my view on this before. All political parties – and BJP is no exception – rely very heavily on a solid core of its supporters (Vote Bank) for their very existence.

    Will it come as a surprise to you that Akali Dal has its vote bank in Sikhs in Punjab. Similarly, it is true that Congress attracts disproportionately large Muslim Vote. Is that surprising when The BJP is unashamedly a COMMUNAL party heavily favouring the HINDU community.

    So I am afraid that the Rath yatras are just as much a part of street theatre of Indian politics designed to shore up existing right wing Hindu Votes as well as to recruit new voters.

    So Congress is not the only party which panders to its core vote bank, so does BJP, Akali Dal, etc. etc.

    Conversions, is too serious a topic to be dismissed in a single post. Throughout the history of India and of Hindus, there has been conversion between Hindus/Buddhists/Jains, etc. However, what the Sangh objects to is conversion from Hinduism to Christianity and or Islam.

    Please do not say that Buddhists and Jains are Hindus. Just ask Buddhists and Jains and they will assert their own separate identity.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    There is an agenda for conversions which are the reason for this global religious war. It is important to recognise this.

    Pakistan has CONVERTED OR KILLED 25% OF its citizens. Hindus and Sikhs have been reduced to less than 2%. The latest census– as Rajiv pointed out —does not even give anybody the right of calling himself HIndu. THAT IS COMMUNALISM/ fundamatalism / WAHABBISM/ etc etc

    As far as Jains go they are part of the Hindu religious fold. They DONT like being called minroty and have rejected that status even though Ram Vilas paswan offered it them and felt like a fool when the Jains said no.

    This minority pandering is different from minority rights. That is my contention.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I believe all forced (coercion is a form of forcing) conversions are wrong. My belief is that every individual should have the right to follow which ever religion he/she chooses to follow.

    Even as I am writing this, I can anticipate you and others saying but Pakistan does not allow such freedoms. That is very true, and I have said here in this blog, I am not in a race with Pakistan. I concern myself with what we do in India.

    However, purely at an academic level, to understand the issue of conversions in Pakistan we have to understand that Pakistan declared itself as an “Islamic Republic” the rest is Zia Ul Haque and his excesses. Our protest about the plights of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan is totally justified. But we should not allow that to determine our domestic policies. We should treat our minorities like a matured democracy and not as a “Hindu Republic”.

    So Vijay, what is your view about minority rights.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    So did Zia- bandguall cobra smiling dracula :D declare Pakistan Islamic with the consent of Ahemadias, Hindua, Qsianis, Sikhs, Christians? No he just rammed it with brute force and kept converting other religions.

    That is the big game you need to recognise rather than demonise HIndus for being fundos, which may sound funny to some but does not sound funny to people who know th reality. :.

  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ WHY DIGVINASH SCHOOL OF SECULARISM WILL KILL THE CONGRESS~~ :D :D ~~

    With Digvinash spinning lies day afetr day a supplilcant media pandering after favours is unable to question him. But I think most Indians are hurt and want to give a solid punch on the face to the Congress.

    The opposition is fragmented right now. The NDA should project a choesive picture and get more articulate spokesmen onto the media. It needs to get active at the ground level to wipe out the Congress.

    The Rahul factor will taper off before 2014 as he opens his mouth more and more :D

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Shenoy Saab and Pankajji
    First of all let me request Shenoy Saab to come back to this blog. Mr Vinod has explained this in ample measure as to why it had been happening.
    In any case I am providing my mail id so that we may communicate even otherwise.
    praveen5saxena@gmail.com
    And Pankajji let me thank you for letting is know why Shenoy saab is off the blog these days.
    Regards

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  • Mahesh

    Pankaj,
    While addressing you this posting applies to everybody else.
    You could’ve best avoided publishing Shenoy’s mail at this forum. Doing so you may have in-advertantly breached his privacy without his explicit consent.
    Please choose to Exercise adequate degree of care in protecting privacy – especiallly so when it is not your own identity.
    - Mahesh.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    I think Pankaj took this step as a friend and a well wisher of this blog.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh,

    your ‘concern’ for my privacy sounds pseudo, since I have already published my ID and cell number here.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    What makes you think that I was concerned just about “your” privacy ?
    This was general statement cautioning Pankaj and everybody else about Privacy. Nothing more, nothing less. In case it isn’t clear to you yet – your were purely incidental.
    - Mahesh.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Was making jsut as much a general point about privacy as he was on this particular instance.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vijay Kumar,

    you said,

    “Shaan,

    As far as this gen of Indians go they look deep into gora eyes and say, “gora aadmi… thum gora hum kaala… par haum dilwaala… Thum apni maa ko old age home bhaejta hai… hum apniu maa ke roz charan touch karta hai. !! Thum apni aulad ko pehchanata nahin… nahin pata kiska bachcha kahan paida hua… kaun baap hai… Aur hum bachcha ko pyaar se paalta…”

    Shaan may pick and choose the deep blue-eyed gori to say all these things and more.
    It is anybody’s guess if the gori will care to even look at this latest-version Nirad Babu-native’s mug.

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    shan Reply:

    @shenoy and his judwa vijay and the sidekick balwinder
    PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL(Dr samuel Johnson)

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    SHAN, sigh, another example of white ar se licking, can you try just 1 month not quoting a foreigner, – try quoting Kabir and Ghalib and Gandhi you pathetic moron
    never knew of a doctor who actually loves getting spanked in public.

    well EVERYONE, i am going in for a minor surgery this weekend and will be ‘out’ for 2 weeks. Morphine here I come, everyone please take care

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I hope you are NOT going for a hernia operation.

    Imagine Shan is your doctor. And he is all out to take revenge. The Surgeon’s supersharp knife is in his hand….

    And…. :D

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    O dear Shan… and pretending to be white to the Indians… is the last resort of being REJECTED as a WOG :D

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Balwinder..

    O the other hand you could just snatch the surgeon’s knife from Shan.

    And… :D

    shan Reply:

    @vijay kumar , GRAPES ARE SOUR, THIS FROM TOI

    Wealthy Indians are keeping the family bonhomie alive in the heart of London, buying not one but a cluster of houses or apartments for themselves
    To bad they are giving rape capital delhi a miss

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shan

    just proves what I have been saying. The UK is a has been. indians are buying them out.

    By the way I may be coming to UK to evaluate a hospital which some Indian doctors are buying. I hope u r working there !!

    Would love to see u there. And I am serious…

    shan Reply:

    Vijay , that is what I have been saying , mean income in uk is 25000 pounds , in india 43000rs. If you are unemployed you get free accomodation , 400 pounds per week , free hospital care including heart transplant. I recently had a patient unemployed for some time , recently back from a holiday in florida.I guess you only watch SAAS BAHU series in TV , and give the news a miss.

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    shenoy saheb, WELCOME BACK. I now await the return of Ashish, Dr Mishra, Dr Shah Alam, Vinay and others- who have all been driven away by SHRILL SHAN’S SWIPING.

    I see Shan has attacked you again “”"@Shenoy , revelaed yourself. not that one expected any better from someone, who probably was forced to take early retiement for “irregularity” found during auditing of syndicate bank”"”

    Your reply was very well said- “”"But Shaan, you are the last person I expect, to appreciate all these finer points. About the admissions in Delhi your take is incoherent, to say the least.”"”
    Shan does have this tendency to log on 3-4 times a day and say empty stuff- like the one about Delhi school admissions in the most random way.
    Shenoy, please ignore SHAN, he is like a gali ka mongrel, walk past him
    WELCOME BACK

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Good to have Shenoy back on the 57th episode of the soap. Hope the TRP goes up.

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  • Rajiv

    some observations..
    —————————–

    1.
    I do not understand why Mr V Sharma, who is not easy to offend ( given the fact that comments are posted un-moderated and he has allowed full freedom of expression on this blog comment section ) , gets really riled up by Mr Shenoy. Its almost like personal even though they dont know each other personally. It may be time for personal truce on that front.

    2.
    Is Shan trying to fill the void left by pakinder ?

    Other than that, not much new to report on the Indo-Pak front.
    Pak I understand has cut of supplies to the Shamsi airbase ( owned by prince of UAE ) in Pakistan from where drones fly. USA, follish as ever, in response is trying to placate Pak by replacing the Orion aircrafts, blwon up by pak militants, for free.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    I think free market economics gives a way to break barriers and taboos. SO if Shan employs Muslims does it not show that he is not prejudiced that way.

    By the way I know a lot of HIndus who only emply HIndus; a lot of Sikhs who only employ Sikhs and a lot of Muslims who only emply Muslims. In Christian schools and colleges Christians are given preference.

    So a person who employs without religious prejudice… should be lauded !

    @ Shenoy

    I think Vinod Sharma does get riled by your comments at times. But at being politcally opposite ends does not disqualify debate. SO continue posting. They would be many an opponent. And many who agree….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    It goes without saying that any one who has recruitment policy which dis-regards the candidates religion should be lauded.

    However, how do we know that Shenoy practices that.

    We do not.

    Except we can extrapolate from his views here, and those are quite rabid.

    So I am afraid it does not quite add-up.

    Does it?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Ravi

    If the man says so, you need to respect the sentiment. One does not need proof for everything.

    No point going down to that level.

    You will have enough opportunities to engage Shenoy in debates and put him on mat.

    It’s not necessary to hit every ball and surely not the ones going way off the stumps !

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sane advise.

    However, you may have missed this gem.

    ++++

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    June 17th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Ravi,

    it is informative as well as gratifying to note that outside of the Wahabi code and ISI diktats, Pakistanis have “rights” and some of them even use them.

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    ++++

    Surely, you know that this concerted and persistent harassment needs to be challenged.

    However, on your advise I will let balls wide of the stumps go to the keeper.

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Ravi, kakey, bore na kar.

    shan Reply:

    Before going hopping mad and abusing pakistan and uk for india’s ills AND DECLARING NOIDA HAS ALL THE FAIDA , READ THIS
    January 14th, 2010
    Saudi Arabia Slavery Sponsorship
    Earlier this month The Times of India published a story about an Indian worker, Habib Hussein who escaped Saudi Arabia after months of abuse.

    Hussein sold his lands in India to pay for the agent who brought him into Saudi Arabia in the hope of earning a better living for his family. At first, he was forced to graze goats during the day and work as a cleaner at an airport during the night. He worked for 14-18 hours per day without receiving any money. Afterward, Hussein was sold, along with other Indian workers to a sponsorship agent in Medina. There he worked for over 15 hours per day.

    Hussein described a modern-day slavery system: “Indian labour is sold in Saudi like cattle and thousands of Indians from UP and Bengal are suffering there. They are helpless without their passports”.

    Hussein survived on money of tips he received for helping visitors coming into Saudi Arabia to perform the Hajj. For six months he ate nothing but one meal per day. He desperately wanted to return to his family and pregnant wife and from the little money he earned from tips he saved up enough so that he can buy a plane ticket. However, his passport was held by his sponsor and whenever he asked for it back he was “kicked and thrashed” by the employer.

    Unable to exit the country legally, Hussein hid in the bathroom of an Air India flight and was able to return home that way.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    kabhie bulate ho mujhe Ram
    aur karte ho har dam badnaam

    Kabhie kehte ho ki Shenoy hai ek sanghi
    aur kabhie ek khattar Bhajrangi

    aap keh rahe hain ki vyarth hai vanvaas
    aur hai yeh sab Shenoy ka bakwaas

    Vinodji, yeh maajra kya hai?
    aap ki muhn se bachne ki raasta kya hai?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy Ji

    Vinod hi nahin, hum bhi kehte hain aapko Raja Ram
    Badnami karne walla, khud bhi ho jata hai badnaam

    Is mein kya sharam hai, gar Shenoy hai Sanghi
    Unke dushman bhi nahi mante, ke who hai bajrangi

    M. F, Husain jaisa hi aapne liya tha vanvass
    Khud gaye, khud aaye, yeh kaisa hai pravaas

    Shenoy ji maajra siarf gali giloj denay ka hai.
    Is ko band karo to bachne ka raaste saf zahir hai.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @vijay kumar
    Why don’t you disabuse certain compulsive martyrs of the notion that they are central to any debate. Also he thinks he was censored. Was he? Be honest and tell him. Opposing a lover once in a while is okay dear.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    on second thoughts, if the surgical trainee who admits me happens to be a shrill bong with a puny asss who is quoting Marlowe and has a constipated face- then, swear to God, I will jump out of the window
    goodbye cruel world

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  • pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    I realize your warnig fully. Working in a industry, I know the meaning of security. However, as Shenoy’s ID was in the blog and even in Vinod’s note book, it was no unnecessary risk from my point of view. having said this, I will be extremely cautious about my and anybody’s identity. This is very serious matter here.

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  • pankaj#1

    Every one;
    As I am travelling in North America,and extremely busy, I do not find time to write here, though the mere fact, I come here time and again, shows my addiction to this blog, as vouched by one other blogger here.

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  • pankaj#1

    Vinodji;
    thank you very much for having Shenoy back. I know it was not deliberate on your part, but was perceived by Shenoy as such. You also some time perceive his comments differently. I hope, both of you leave this prejudice against each other and this will enhance this blog further. Difference of Opinion is necessary, as that is the essence of a debate.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Employment without religious prejudice is a huge way forward and does help in reducing tension. Countries like Saudi Arabia which openly ask for candidates based on religion end up producing Bin Ladens.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    But the funny part about employment and religion : D

    Some time back in Hong Kong I was hunting for true Indian food and ended up in a Pakistani resturaunt in Chunking Mansion– the South Asian hanging joint. I noticed that all the employees were Indian.

    When the Pakistani owner walked past my table I invited him for a chat. And then asked him the all important question. ” Why all Indians… and no Pakistani ? ”

    He shoved a toothpick into his mouth and looked into my eyes, ” Koi Pakistani munda kabhi dhang se kaam nahi karta…. ! ” :D

    Now that is what I would call an equal opportunity employer ! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Now you know why the ISI gets so many suicide bomb volunteers at a low cost.

    Recently Pranab Mukherjee, rather sarcastically called civil society leaders unemployed and unemployable.

    The suicide bombers too belong to that category.

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    I noticed in Zurich and Paris the the restaurants owned by either Bangladeshies or
    Pakistanis are being promoted as Indian restaurants.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    That is true in the UK as well. Not sure what is the point you are trying to make.

    The style of food that is sold in these resteraunts is “Indian” and that is how it is promoted.

    Likewise there are Greek owned 2Italian” resteraunts, Italian owned “French” resteraunts. Chinese owne “Thai” eateries.

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Then in Bangladesh and Pakistan also I am sure the restaurants owner must be
    promoting their food as Indian food ?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mohan,
    There is nothing wrong in Bangladeshi promoting their restaurant as Indian because after all what they serve is Indian food or version of it.

    The pakistani who are indophobic use it primarily to hide their own identity.

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Fastest way of getting filthy rich. Join politicis.

    http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/06/18/jagan-reddy/

    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Rajees,

    Yes you are right. If the promote them as a Pakistani restaurant serving Indian food, they will lose most of their customers.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    They also adopt fake Indian identities like some jihadies here, to save themselves from Pakiphobic westerners as in US and UK, Europe etc.

  • Rajiv

    Guys, please avoid regionally biased comments. Shan certainly does not represent Bengalis.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    I had sworn to stay away from this blog for a long time, but I come and wish our beloved praa Balwinder all the very best for his surgery. I may not contribute now but I do sneak a view every now and then, and Shenoy’s shayri and Ballu’s PJs always bring a smile to my face.

    Shenoy, welcome back- loved your lines- ‘ Vinodji, yeh maajra kya hai?
    aap ki muhn se bachne ki raasta kya hai? ‘

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dear Vinod, since everyone is in a jokey mood today, can I say something cheeky ?

    Always thought Vijay and Shenoy were a couple
    Do jism, ek jaan

    But looking at the squabbling and noak-jhoak between Shenoy and Vinod, they seem to be more of a couple,
    Ab sawaal yeh hai, husband kaun, wife kaun ?

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  • pankaj#1

    Mishraji;
    This being Friday evening here and as I am a bit relaxed myself, a chutki from me:
    A household, from where neighbors could here continuous guffaws, in these economically depressing times, could not restrain themselves any more and asked the reason from husband.
    Husband said that there is nothing mysterious. When my wife aims her slipper and throw at me with full force, and, If I escape, I have a hearty laughter and when I am hit, she has a hearty laughter. Hope Vinodji and Shenoy will take notice of this.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    I always throw ‘genda phool’ at Vinodji but he feels hurt when the phool hit him.
    He throws chappals at me and when I escape being hit, then too he feels hurt.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Good similie… :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Mishra, Dr. Pankaj, Vijay Kumar, rajeev, Rajiv, Balwinderji, Praveen Saxenaji, and other friends,

    Here is a sample of the ‘regard’ Vinodji has for me and the very ‘positive opinion’ he has of me:

    (Shenoy), You do not own India. Nor does the ideology you represent owns it. People will say and draw what they want. I am also a Hindu and a better one at that. ………..The Sanghis can only patronize blinkered vassals like you and Vyas. But there are enough Hindus and Indians to show you guys your place. Stop bullying and start debating. If you aren’t capable of it, leave this blog. I know you wouldn’t quit because your masters have assigned you the task of vitiating the climate here. You are a pamphleteer.”

    Now, sample this:

    “@BV Shenoy
    So you come here as the RSS’s scavanger. Neither do I speak for you nor for other abusive types who visit this blog. For me both versions are equally despicable. I know that you are a bad Hindu full of the kind of hatred that isn’t taught by my religion. So don’t try your exhortations and challenges on me. I don’t consider you any better than an internet Togadia frothing at his mouth.”

    Now, after these ‘kind remarks’, my posts start disappearing from the blog. What, then, am I supposed to conclude?

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    Ravi Reply:

    B. V. Shenoy

    I do not see you contradicting anything Vinod has said.

    The reason is because all of it is true.

    Vinod did say that in order to control Tajendar, on your own insistance and virtual blackmail, a filter had been deployed and it is quite possible that this filter was not working properly.

    You pointedly ingnored this message, and you did that because you are drama queen and you wanted to project a “I am hurt” pose.

    YOU ARE A POSEUR

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    No wonder Pakistanis see things differently from what Indians do.

    Rajeev Reply:

    @Ravi,
    Nobody asked for the views of confessed Jehadi.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Mr. Shenoy

    The treatment being met to you by Mr. Vinod sharma is strikingly similar with what Congress did to Baba Ram Dev.
    To start with , there was an infinite amount of bonhomie between both of you. May be Mr. Sharma was enamoured by your poetry and intellectual responses to every one on this site. But once, this honey mooning went sour, Mr. Vinod sharma adopted the same hostile attitude as was the police action mounted by the congress govt. on the peace loving and unarmed people at Ramlila ground and resulted in Baba barely being able in saving his life.

    But in the end, truth is going to win and surely, you will be able to assert yourself on this blog as Baba Ramdev would regain his hold on his disciples and the people of the country. After all, Mr. Vonod sharma’s behaviour can not be different from the congress despite his wearing the mask of a renowned journalist.
    Regards
    BNA

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Anand,

    A very beautiful diagnosis, the prescription for the malady afflicting Vinodji will, however, prove to be bitter for him.

  • pankaj#1

    Sandhu Sahab;
    Get well soon after operation.

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  • shan

    Balwinder has gone for a SNIP of the VAS. he was happy with his wife filling his house with a dozen r e t ards , as these r e t ards were bringing in 70 pounds per month in child benefit.
    But he could not bear the idea of yet again abstaining in the later part of you know the 40 weeks gestation, because it becomes impossible with the big fat abdomen coming in the way . So he decided to go for the S N I P

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  • shan

    @vijay singh jo noida me paida
    Burdwan, June 17: A 39-year-old Burdwan vendor has alleged that one of his kidneys was removed at a Calcutta nursing home in January without his knowledge.

    Debiprasad Dey, a resident of Kamarhati in Madhabdihi, about 60km from Burdwan, who sold jhal muri for a living, said he learnt that one of his kidneys was missing after an ultrasonography (USG).

    “The USG revealed that my left kidney had been removed,” he said
    AT LEAST YOU CAN BE ASSURED BALWINDER’S GURDA WILL BE IN ITS RIGHT PLACE AFTER THE OPERATION.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shan

    Kidney removal is a deadly crime which the government should punish.

    However Shan you should also raise the issue of BARIUM food at work given to migrants by the UK government without their knowledge. The effects of radioactivity were to be understood.

    And what did the English Govt do?

    It just fed thousands of migrants at work with barium rotis under a secret program. The high incident of cancer in certain migrant groups will be traced to this if some study is actually allowed.

    But mr WOG C Choudhary, you will be too thrilled with your migration to understand this.

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    shan Reply:

    Vijay kumar , can you come up with exact reference , I googled barium indian workers uk , this is what i came up with IN YOUR BIRADARI LAND
    David Brenner of Columbia University, New York has attempted to substantiate this fact in a recently conducted study that challenged the arbitrary use of CT scans. “About one-third of all CT scans that are conducted right now are medically unnecessary. Virtually anyone who comes to a hospital’s emergency room with pain in his belly or a chronic headache will automatically be advised a CT scan. Is that justified?” he asks.

    The unethical practice of the “commissions” or “incentive” offered by diagnostic centres to quacks as well as physicians has emerged as a major contributor to superfluous scans being recommended to patients. A diagnostic centre in the city even went to the extent of advertising a “unique scheme” under which doctors were offered Rs 1,500, Rs 2,000 and Rs 3,500 for CT scans of head, chest and abdomen, respectively. Patients pay Rs 2,000, Rs 3,000 and Rs 5,000, respectively, for the test.

    In the absence of any restrictions imposed by the health & family welfare department, CT scan centres in the private health sector are mushrooming at an alarming rate, which in turn are being misused by quacks. Dozens of these centres, which can be seen in the city’s posh as well as remote localities, are not only violating ethical codes but are putting thousands of people at risk of contracting critical diseases.

    The complexity of medical radiation technology has created new avenues for error by way of software flaws, faulty programming, poor safety procedures or inadequate staffing and training. In the absence of trained staff and radiologists these CT scans often sound the death knells for patients.

    Said a senior doctor in the city: “I was shocked to see a prescription slip recommending a CT scan scribbled by an unqualified practitioner to a patient at a particular centre in the city. And the patient didn’t need to undergo scan as his problem could’ve been easily diagnosed clinically”.

    Pointing at another factor that has contributed to the growing practice, Dr GS Grewal, chairman of the political affairs committee of the Indian Medical Association (Punjab chapter) and member of the Punjab Medical Council, referred to “non-allopathic professionals” prescribing CT scans. “No other system of medicine except that of allopathy trains professionals to prescribe or conduct tests including CT scans. The government must hence draw up some regulations for ‘ayurvedic’ (Indian traditional system) and homeopathic experts who aren’t equipped to understand the implications of CT scans but nevertheless prescribe them to patients”, he said.

    Grewal also criticized the “commissions” taken by physicians from various diagnostic centres, terming it as a “blot on the name of the medical fraternity”.

    Some reasons for unnecessary scans

    l Physicians fear being sued for malpractice if they miss something
    l Some patients pressure their physicians for scans “just to be safe,” especially after seeing ads touting the “benefits” of new “hi-tech” tests (without mentioning the risks)
    l Physicians are more often using scans to screen patients worried about their past habits (such as former smokers for lung cancer)
    l Many doctors have purchased their own imaging equipment for their practice. This adds a financial incentive into the mix and sets the stage for overuse of the technology
    l There’s a trend toward commercially advertised full-body CT scans to “find everything wrong with you.” Consumers with extra cash in their pockets (over Rs 50,000 in most cases) are being encouraged to undergo a full body scan as a preventive measure

    CT scan charges

    l Head: Rs 1,500-Rs 2,500
    l Abdomen: Rs 4,000-Rs 5,500
    l Chest: Rs 3,000-Rs 4,000

    Dyes used

    A dye used in CT scans is barium sulfate, another being gastrografin. It is important to note that barium sulfate is radioactive and x-rays use ionization radiation that is harmful when used arbitrarily.

    No facility in civil hospitals

    The state government should introduce CT scan equipment in civil hospitals under the public-private partnership at charges that are regulated. This will check the practice of government doctors taking “commissions” and, at the same time, will help in reducing the number of private diagnostic centres.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    This is a huge huge scam which the British government and press have clamped down on. Like I said there was a unity of purpose to show the people of Asia as being lesser human beiings.

    You will have to question some senoir cancer scientists in the UK nuclear departments. I got the info from senoir IIT professors. Then some years back there were reports in the press with the British government apologising also.

    Unfortunately everything has been removed since then. Indians and Asians lived with there heads low till the mid eighties before the IT guys from India rescued our image. Manyw would not even give a damn that there bretheren were killed in this deadly experiment as long as they got the migration.

    The whole experiment was on the tolerance of human beings to radioactive exposure in case of a nuclear war. Asians including indians werre chosen as the guinea pigs.

    But this is part of the chemical warfare unleashed on lesser beings!!

    By the way you can hunt around the net or ask senoir and old doctors in the cance rdepartments of the UK in case you are really serious .

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay singh, I am serious and it is all bunkum , The australians were exposed to even more radiation when atom bomb was tested by the british scientist.
    Indians dont live in india with their head held much high. If you are knocked down by a car , not a single individual will come to your aid in connaught circus, and how that head is trampled in everyday life in govt hospitals , interacting with babus in govt offices, trying to get your children in school , and the treatment meted out by the teachers, and if you are a woman and have the MISFORTUNE to live in delhi , then it is not the head but IZZAT AND LAAZ which will be VIOLATED.

  • Vijay Kumar

    Shan

    Sigh… !! I think you are incpable of seeing the bigger picture.

    How did a handful of whitemen come to capture a hige chunk of the globe?

    Contrary to what you Nirad uncle told you let Vijay Kumar give you a true history of the world. And no singing of the British empire here…

    In places where the indigenous population was low… as in new Zealand, Australia and Americas, they were completly exterminated or sent into reserves as Moaris, Aborgines etc etc. Red indians were villified to such an extent that kids played games in which the “injuns’ were supposed to be the villians and deserved to be killed. Wa h wah.. I bet yoou sing songs for the glory of the whiteman and not the deaad Indians…

    In South Africa the natives were subjugated with a system of aprthied…

    Indians are lucky, Columbus’ reading of geogrphy was bad and probably his comapss faulty. Otherwise we too would hav e been extinct.

    Do you know he used plague infested blnkets distributed free to eliminate the Red Indians.

    I bet you still sing songs for the glory of the British empire as taught by Nirad Babu to all Bengalis,,, :D

    man the truth is Indians have a historical opportunity to conquerr the globe today and take revenge. We have the business sense and most importantly still know our parents and children.

    Since the origianl imperialists are not moti vated by desires to pass it on to their next genertion… well we can win.

    bUT NOT WITH YOUR ATTITUDE sHAN.

    now check out the truth how Columbus used palgue germs. That too is buried by historians… at times..

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay , that you are alive and dishing out utter C R A P on the net is due to the acheivements of these people , with antibiotics and vaccine. That you are living a middle class existence other than living in a village , courtsey of THE OUTSOURCING and also the INVENTION OF COMPUTERS ARE ALL BY THESE SAME PEOPLE.
    By the way computers were invented by ALAN TAURIN , and WORLD WIDE WEB ALSO BRIT,
    TIM BRENNERS LEE
    Cow belt should not try to take takkar with the progeny of bengal renaissance.
    This objectivity and the ability to call spade a spade is what made west west , and india ., a land of cow .By the way the dictum JISKA DANDA USKA BHAINS didnot originate in snow covered countries.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ravi,

    you said, “Mr Shenoy

    I for one has never challenged that. I did say that in real life you are probably an unpstanding citizen of Banglore.

    Your response was to for the 100th time STATE that I am a Pakistani.

    Iyou expect us to believe you because “man says so” then that has to be true for others too.

    I am sure you know exactly what I mean.

    Regards

    Ravi”

    There is great difference between Vinodji’s outbursts against me, leading to his asking me to leave the blog and your being forced to request Dr. Mishra to be the judge whether you should walk out from here or permitted to remain.

    You have stood with Tajender Tur.d rock-like in his attacks on Hindus, India and particularly brahmins and defending most vehemently all about Pakistan what was most condemnable, whether Islamic jihad, 26/11 attack against India or the decimation of non-Muslim minorities in Pakistan.

    As for my personal explanations, I will repeat what I told Shaan, ‘you are the last person I expect to believe me”.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    You have reapeated that more than once, yet never provided any proof.

    I will continue to attack you.

    Status Quo remains.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    You have begged Dr. Mishra only once. Therefore, I am not repeating it.
    Tajender Tur.d and you- the blogs are full of the venomous outpourings, only because of which you were forced to beg Dr. Mishra.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I think Ravi has stopped supporting Tajendar the T U R D for his ISI fed attacks on Indian sites.

    As such the T U R D has been thrown back to Pak- _ _ _ _ – Stan on popular demand.

    On his part Ravi is not trying to make amends by supporting secular causes and India and in his posts has mentioned that the Congress and Digvijay have tried to play a double game by creating wedge between HIndus and Muslims for a vote bank and even the Akalis play with religious feelings for vote banks.

    So I think give peace a chance under such circumstances.. :D

    @ Ravi

    The LOC between Shenoy and Vinod Sharma can be demarcated by them alone. And not by a third party.

    So when you interven on behalf of Vinod Sharma, it does give the impression that you are trying to get some “marks.” :D

    As far as Shenoy goes his posts are enjoyed by all. At times it could be a reaction to the white lies and untruths dished out in the name of “Digvijay Singh styled “secularism” which encourages terrorism but blames HIndus for all evils by shelling out lies….

    Ravi Reply:

    I did not beg Dr Mishra, but you have begged Vinod.

    I found that the dispute was not going anywhere. To break the impasse, I loaded the gun and gave it to Dr Mishra.

    Twice I reminded him.

    Note: Dr Mishra refused to fire. So I suggest read into that what you want to.

    You are pathetic

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shan

    Your mind is infected my dear. You want to become a Nirad Chaudhari and praise the whieman to be recognised as a WOG :D :D

    Whay dont you google out American Indian movement to find out how Columbus eliminated 100 million American Indians.

    Why dont you check Columbus and American Indians NOW…

    Remember his mission was to come to India. His geography and Compass was bad. We could have gone too. Check out history and understand facts. Dont feel gr* just becsue of a migration :D

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    shan Reply:

    Plonker vijay , columbus didn’t go to usa , he went to west indies , and there he eliminated the “red indians” he would have eliminated the BROWN original indians ,only if his route was correct. USA was discovered by AMERIGO VESPUCI , thus america.
    far more devastating was CORTEZ who wiped out MAYA AND INCAS
    Vijay Singh’s forebearers didn’t have the BALLS to exterminate the other races , they took on the weak and feeble DALITS and DECIMATED THEM economically and EXTERMINATED them socially.
    a bit like the man who is a coward to the world but shows all his dominance over the hapless wife
    like one sees in cow belt.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shan

    You are shameless. You will latch on to the balls of the whiteman like a parasite… or may be you are the vaginitiis fungus itself :D

    You just turn around and say that since I have got a migration I must be superior to you Indians… like your ideoligical darling , Nirad Chaudhary :D

    I am tryiing to tell you that all kind of lies were fabricated to eliminate native races in Africa, Australia, America. While you jump like a langur in joy and shout out, “dekho dekho.. meraa whiteman itna powerful hai ki usne 100 million murder kiya… ” :D

    You are even proud that Columbus was so powerful that “he would have eliminated the BROWN original Indians, only if his route was correct…”

    O Shan… u failed WOG…. You would have been happy that your father, mother, grandmom, GREAT grandmother would have not existed and not even you … all because you wanted to see white man winning !! :D :D

    Shan… u truly are a joker!! Livking the guys who defeat u… :D

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay you are a wanker , a HYPOCRITE AND A TOSSER in equal measure. You are a SNAKE that will bite the hand that feeds IT , and i am talking about intellectual food. As for migration , YOUR BIRADRI IN PUNJAB , IS THE ONES WHO TRY TO SNEAK IN WITH FAKE PASSPORT ,BACK OF A LORRY, FAKE MARRIAGE , FAKE COURSES , THE LIST IS ENDLESS AND KEEP DOING IT DESPITE THE VIOLENCE FACED IN AUSTRALIA. IT IS ONLY YOUR BIRADRI.
    when raja ram mohan was asked about the british rule , HE SAID THEY NEED TO RUKLE FOR SOME TIME TO BRING INDIA OUT OF THE DARKNESS. This strength of vision was applauded by naipaul. As for your BAPU , he said about western civilization 2a very good idea”
    but whom I am talking to a THICK COW BELT PRODUCT , OR RATHER COW BRAIN OR JUST COW.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    You have laughing and that is the best medicine… :D :D

    I am NOT against migration. In fact I believe more and more Indians should settle abroad so that one day a network of Indians take over the world ! :D

    I am just reminding you that dont hide under the balls of the whiteman. Look into his eys as an equal. Surely your pride that Columbus would have eliminated all brown Indians of India had his geography been good smacks of a Nirad Chaudhari sort of inferioirty complex… :D

    You mean you would actually been happier if you did not exist… and neither id your parent line.

    More seriously I am reminding you that the history you have been taught could be largely fake as the Anglo saxons controlled education and the print media from 1500 AD onwards. Someday somebody has to dig out how many lies have been embedded in our history books. Or how the sytematic massacre of Red Indians, Aborgines and Moaris took place…

    Dont gloat that you have become one of them now… Rather take pride in a secret agenda to take over the world as an Indian.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Yesterday on CNN-IBN, in the Karan Thapapr show, Siddhartha Vardrajan your equivalent in the HINDU made an allegation that a fake CD was created by the COngress to character assisinate the Bhushans. WOnder what is your reaction to that, especially since Siddhartha Vardarjan is not BJP guy or a right winger….

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Siddhartha is a dear friend. I respect his views and he respects mine. We have often discussed the matter and have agred to disagree. I have always said I did a professional job by taking the trouble of getting it examined. The police is yet to give its findings. So let us wait to know as to who has to apologise to whom?
    Yours truly was the only jouranlist who used the gist of the conversation under his name. Others hid their identity. Is that not being honest? You don’t even know who wrote stories based on the CD in other newpaper organisations. The Channels too ran it without verification.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    If CD is found to be fabricated, are you willing to apologize to Bhushans publicly? I think you should.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    gustaki maaf, lekin, from a position of saying I alone am right, you came down to I am right and now you are saying let us wait for the police to tell us who is right.

    It will be a sad day for all of us here when we hear you are the only one who is wrong.

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  • Ravi

    वो चुप रहें तो

    वो चुप रहें तो मेरे दिल में गुलाब खिलते हेँ
    जो बात कर लें तो घर के चिराग भूझते हेँ

    सुन्नो तो साथ चलें
    वरना तुम अपनी राह चलौ, और हम अपनी राह चलें
    सुन्नो गे तो ऐसे के जैसे किसी अज़िम का दिल
    छेड़ा मुझे ऐसे के जेसे बे-बहार जूते बरस्ते हेँ

    यह खोयी खोयी डगर
    कभी तो थी यह इधर, या सदा रही थी उधर
    उधर तो ऐक सुलगता हुआ हे घराना
    मगर इधर तो गरिबों के हाल बदलते हेँ

    जो अशक रोक ही दिये, जो होंठ खौल भी दिये
    दो सित्म यह क्योँ कर किये
    कुछ आज अप्नी सुन्नओ, कुछ आज मेरी सुनो
    इसी चहक से तो यह सारे बलौग चलते हेँ

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    To whom it may concern
    Now isnt that how most Indian applications start…
    This is to certify that the aforesaid Dr Mishra is not, to use the words of Sir Sardar Balwinder, a blog lokpal. He is also not the blog kotwal.
    He has now become quick gun Murugan, sneaks in, fires a googly as Dr Pankaj calls it and disappears into the sunset. In fact, on my way back to the islands for another week of sailing- a small 28 ft yatch this time.
    So, the aforesaid sailor, now in happy semi retirement, cannot adjudicate in any dispute as asked. Happy civilised fighting all.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Please faltu ki bakwaas band kariye..Bore ho gaye hein aapka ye mutual admiration group dekh kar.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ravi will say, “where is the proof? For all I know, Dr.Mishra, you may just be floating on the froth of your beer mug.”

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    but cannot resist throwing a googly before I go sailing above Osama’s grave, a repeat, since I got no answer the first time-

    Dear Vinod, since everyone is in a jokey mood today, can I say something cheeky ?

    Always thought Vijay and Shenoy were a couple
    Do jism, ek jaan

    But looking at the squabbling and noak-jhoak between Shenoy and Vinod, they seem to be more of a couple. Ab sawaal yeh hai, husband kaun, wife kaun ? ie who throws the belun

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Dr Mishra
    Talaq Talaq Talaq …..:;)) :) )

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Vinod, brilliant, shows you have a great sense of humour. Shall spare you any more googlies for 1 week

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    Observer Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma,

    Talaq may work with Shenoy. But your refusal to fight for Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistan will not go away that fast.. You CQs ran away and threw Hindu,Sikh and Pathan minorities in Pakistan to the wolves. You want us to forget about them.

    But the problem is that if Mohammad does not go to mountain, mountain shall come to mohammad. So If you CQs do not fight for minorities in Pakistan, Jihadis will come to India to fight you, like they did in 29/11. So be brave and face the music.

    Shan there is difference between British and third worldites like you, who ape British.e.g after Hitler did not keep his promise of respecting Munich agreement,, British rescinded their acceptance of sudetenland to Germany, while you guys keep repeating same broken record of Nehru-Indira, when Pakistan has not fulfilled it’s obligation for the accords signed.

    This is the reason British with less than hundred thousand men were able to rule South Asia, with more than 300 million population for almost two centuries, while you guys with more than 1 billion can not even control a nation with barely 150 million people.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Observer
    I have lived in Pakistan and often visit that country. I am aware fully of the sorry plight of minorities there—- notably the Ahmediyas and Shias. The Hindus, sikhs and christians are as badly off but face lesser violence than the muslim sects I have mentioned.
    I have often raised the minorities issue in my reports out of Pakistan, the latest being the discrimination in relief distribution after the floods in August last year.
    Unfortunately, it was Zulfikar Bhutto who brought the separate electorate system besides declaring Ahmediyas non-Muslims. One good thing Musharraf did was to revert to the joint electorate system after which conditions changed briefly. But fundamentalists there are strong as ever. They helped us actually after the 1992 demolition of the babri mosque when they brought down many live and dormant temples in retaliation across Pakistan. Had that not happened, India would have been shamed the world over. As a journalist then posted there, I was the first to give demolition of temples a big play, not as much as a Hindu but as an Indian who didn’t want his country to lose the moral high ground it always had as a non denominational secular state as opposed to an Islamic Republic that is Pakistan.
    Hope that satisfies you.

    Observer Reply:

    @Vinod sharma,

    India and Pakistan both agreed to respect minority rights in their country in Nehru-Liaqat Agreement. When Pakistan did not honor that commitment ,why nehru did not raise that isue like he always used to do when there was human rights violation by west.

    The more important question is why India media was not hounding Pakistan like they are doing about Gujarat riots. Usually any article written by secularist media about Gujarat or Modi always mentions riot, why same thing was and is not done for Pakistan?

    Does Indian secularist media believe that RIGHTS OF BELIEVERS WORTH MORE THAN RIGHTS OF PAGANS?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    Please let us know how 20% hindu-muslims have been reduced to 1.5%. You are basically suffering from stockholm syndrome. You have accepted that your tormentor are justified in genocide of hindus.
    What kind of person you!!! Unbelievable..you lie because it suits your fake ideology. You are a big blot on journalism.

    shan Reply:

    Observer to you history started with AD 400, no it is not. Every dog has its day. Civilizations go up and down. The greatest architectural marvel in the history of human civilization ANKOR VAT in cambodia is a ruin.The jews were taken prisoner by cyrus the great when he ruled babylon.
    NOW JEWS RULE THE WORLD.
    As for pakistan , all is due to a WIMPISH PRIME MINISTER, demagogue is one thing ,academic discourse is another.
    My personal feeling is PAKISTANIS DESPERATELY WANTS TO BE LOVED BY INDIA ,because in heart of hearts they know1. THEY WERE ALL HINDUS2.THEY ARE STUCK WITH THIS DEADWEIGHT CALLED ISLAM3. THEY REALISE THE IDEA OF PAKISTAN WAS A JOKE. AND A BAD AND CRUEL ONE

    Observer Reply:

    @Shan

    Your history knowledge need refreshing. Jews were not taken prisoners by Cyrus, they were taken prisoner by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. Cyrus is the one who released them from captivity.

    My opinion is that if by some magic Hindu CQs were to disappear, South Asian Muslims will return back to Hinduism-Buddhism, provided guys like you do not abuse them or their prophet and show respect and treat them with dignity.

    But until that time we have to take CQs to task for leaving Hindus, Sikhs and Pathans in Pakistan to wolves.

    shan Reply:

    @Observer I stand corrected,yes it was nebuchendenezzar. as for RECONVERSION , that is a possibility as plausable at the moment as a shooping mall in MOON

    Observer Reply:

    @Shan,

    Why do you have hatred toward JEWS? don’t you think as a religious/racial group they have suffered enough with Auschwitz and Majdanek?

    The reason I keep after these Indian CQs are because plight of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan is similar to that of Jews in Nazi Germany.

    Jews did not overnight by magic appeared at Auschwitz gas chambers, there was systematic attempt of depriving first their citizenship then their human rights, then their possession and finally their lives. World simply ignored their plight or made a token condemnation, like Vinod did here for plight of Hindus in Pakistan.

    After World War II International community felt that Jews need a state which can protect and monitor any anti-Semitism occurring anywhere in world.

    But from example of India is clear that just because there is state with majority of any group does not ensure that that state will fight for rights of that group.

    Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan are as helpless as Gypsies of Europe are.

    VINOD has failed to notice that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto did support and fought for the rights of Kaffirs of Chitral, large number of whom were forcibly converted to Islam during Zia regime.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    both ways.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    “Unfortunately, it was Zulfikar Bhutto who brought the separate electorate system besides declaring Ahmediyas non-Muslims. One good thing Musharraf did was to revert to the joint electorate system after which conditions changed briefly….”

    good Taliban and bad Taliban?

  • http://www.hindustantimes.com vinod sharma

    @BV Shenoy
    U posted a few lines on the pevious page. Here’s my response with the anticipation that you’d respect it:
    Mera Ram woh hai jo Rahim sey jang nahin karta
    Jo Hndu hokar bhi Musalmaan ko tang nahin karta
    Woh Ram jo sirf sach ke liye ladta hai
    Choti baton, chotey jhagdon mein nahi padta hai
    Asli avtaar hai woh
    Garibon,beybason ka yaar hai woh
    Dhongi hai woh sab jo uske naam ko bechety hai
    Apney aap ko uskey bodyguard ke tarah dektey hai
    Ram unsey sawaal puchengey kabhi
    Mujsey tou woh roz baat karte hain
    Kahtey hain woh key sahi ho tum
    Galat to woh hain jo mere naam ka vyapaar karte hain

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Well said. And that deservews apoetic response by Shenoy….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    Don’t you think Muslims should be saying-

    Mera Allah woh hai jo Ram sey jang nahin karta
    Jo musalmaan hokar bhi hinduon ko tang nahin karta
    Woh Allah jo sirf sach ke liye ladta hai
    Choti baton, chotey jhagdon mein nahi padta hai
    Asli bhagwaan hai woh
    Garibon,beybason ka yaar hai woh
    Dhongi hai woh sab jo uske naam ko bechety hai
    Apney aap ko uskey bodyguard ke tarah dektey hai
    Allah unsey sawaal puchengey kabhi
    Mujsey tou woh roz baat karte hain
    Kahtey hain woh key sahi ho tum
    Galat to woh hain jo mere naam ka khhon ka vyapaar karte hain

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you have done a Ravi on Vinodji! Maasha Allah, kya khoob likha aapne!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Sorry, Rajeev, a slip. maaf karna.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    A talior-made Freudian Slip.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    A tailor-made Freudian Slip.

    Ravi Reply:

    मेहन्त करी राजीव ने और ईनाम मिला विज्य को/ लौक पाल को बता दो

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Aap to chup ki raho..osama ke liye Quran Khwani padho…sawab milega.

    Ravi Reply:

    आज का सूफी कल का कट्टर वहाबी बनेगा

    यह शेनौये का चम्चा ऐक दिन गद्दार बनेगा

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    Kya Baat hai..You cried the loudest when your new age prophet Osama was dumped in the sea.
    You have proven hundred times that you are patriot but for pakistan.

    Rajeev Reply:

    आज का Jhootha Sikh aaj का कट्टर वहाबी hei

    यह Osama का चम्चा Islam ka गद्दार hei..

    Ab bhaiya hindi mein post kar do…

    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Rajeev,

    WOW.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I am no poet. I just copy and produce the argument in logical way. Vinod was trying the typical fascist pseudo secular congress line but I corrected him with reality that every non-muslim is facing today.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,
    WOW!
    WOW!!
    WOW!!!

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Somebody is getting orgasm despite male menopause

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Rajeev sahib,
    I really don’t understand your acute contempt for Muslims in general. The hatred for the jihadi, suicidal types is acceptable but hatred for all Muslims……can’t explain. I can only say that both Ram and Allah if repeatedly said in a loud voice become Mar (beating) and Halla (ruckus) respectively. Instead of repeating each type and give it a different color shouldn’t we just stick to our own types and murmur the names for individual peace? Give it a thought…..it will make you feel good.
    Truly,
    Dr.Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi
    http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.cm

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I have contempt for muslims who decides who is true muslims. I have contempt for all muslims except Sufis &/or Barelvis.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    In a long time you have hit the bull’s eye with a Raambaan.

    Let me also sing a bhajan for you:

    mujh mein Raam, tujh mein Raam
    sab mein Raam ki maaya
    tu bhi karle pyaar, jagat mein koyi nahin hai paraaya
    re, mujh mein Raam……………

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    Observer Reply:

    @Vinod,

    It is not all dependent on Ram alone. It is dependent on Rahim and his army. If Rahim behaves like Bharat, Hanumanji etc. then it is fine. But If Rahim and his followers behave like Ravana and his Raksha army in Dandakaranya then it is Ram’s duty to destroy of entire Rahim Kula as was done with Raksha kula.

    But there should be no hatred toward Rahim and his followers, recognizing that they are doing as per their Karmas in previous lives and like Raksha wanted to be killed by Ram for their salvation.

    CQs, like Akampana of Ramayana or Sakuni of Mahabharata, will bring disaster to Rahim and his followers, like Akampana did to entire Raksha kula by giving bad advise to Ravana.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Woh Raam, jise aapki UPA sarkar ne ’sirf ek kaalpanik vyakti’ bataake supreme court ko bhi insult kiya. Hinduonka tho insult karna aap logon ka peshaa hi ban gaya hai.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    Everybody seems to be in a lighter mood. So guys let me tell you a joke.

    What is the most confusing day in UK and USA. Its Fathers Day.
    80% dont know whom to wish and rest 20% are scared not knowing who will wish them.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ MOhan

    :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    We in India too must have our own “days” in each state, like
    Poribartan day in West Bengal
    Prohibition day in Gujarat
    conversion day in Orissa
    Infiltration day in Assam
    down-with-prohibition day in Punjab
    corruption day in Karnataka
    Behanji day in TN, UP and Delhi
    death-free day in J&K
    hands-free day in Kerala
    scam-a-day in Maharashtra etc..etc…

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Vinod also write good but ” Tu lajawab hai, tera koi Jawab nahin” Gana hai, Tu yahan gustakhi nahin.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Barely has the UPA pulled through a torrid road… it could well hit the biggest pit.

    The favours given to RIL. Unlike 2 G where the losses were notional, the gas pricing coiuld show that RIL actually benefited by 25000 crores, And this is not notional.

    The gas came out of the river basin belonging to all of inida…

    This could be the last straw on the UPA

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    I am holding some shares of RIL. Beacuse of this news I am losing now. Who
    will compensate me ? Mukesh or UPA ?

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  • rajiv

    On the Lokpal issue, the latest Congress position seems to be that the PM ’s office may come under Lokpal , after Manmohan’s term is over.

    Thats a very interesting position.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    You must read this item in the background of the latest Digvinash declaration that Rahul has all the qualities expected in a prime minister. I think MMS is now ready for the push over like Sitaram Kesari earlier.

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  • Ravi

    मूह में राम राम ओर बगल में छुरी रखते हेँ
    यह सँघ तछके कहने वाले हिन्दूओं को बदनाम करते हेँ

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  • http://- Rajeev

    मूह में allah allah ओर बगल में AK-47 रखते हेँ
    यह wahabi कहने वाले musalmano ko बदनाम करते हेँ

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    Ravi Reply:

    अलाह अलाह कहने वाले रखते हें AK47 अपने घर
    यह बगल में छुरी रखने वाले रहते हें हमारे घर

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    It is easy to be critical of other people’s religion. Why dont you talk about the terrorists in your own in the same manner ? :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    My terrorists are the very same as yours.

    You start talking about them and I will join in.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    What about Bhullar. DOnt you think he should be hanged for murder? And the people who want to forgive him for vote bank politcs are selfish idiots? I think that way…

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Sorry mate. Honestly I do not know who Bhullar is.

    However, in general terms if a court of law has found him guilty of a terrorist act in which people died, then I would have no hesitation in him being hanged. Terrorists irrespective of their religion should be dealt with in the most severe manner. You know what I mean!

    In UK that punishment is not available, but in India it is.

    If Talwars, were found guilty of murdering their daughter then I would expect a similar punishment for them.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi only knows about Osama and Ilyas Kashmiri,

  • http://- Rajeev

    I had a question. There have been lot of arrests of SIMI workers in Madhya Pradesh. We have seen that Digvijay and Rahul have sympathy with SIMI and its parent org. like LeT.

    Is their some connection between Digvijay-Rahul and SIMI-LeT?

    This is a serious question because looking at utterance and antics of Digvijay, it is becoming clear that he will stoop to any level to get muslims votes (as also mentioned in WIKILEAKS).

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajeev

    Murli deora has huge links with RIL. And must have got some huge paper by increasing the price of Gas for benefiting reliance.

    And Rahul gandhi and Milind Deoara are business partners and even ran a company called Backops Engineering.

    Even if you dont add 2 and 2, you will still feel daal mein kuch kaala ya gora hai… :D

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  • rajiv

    After reading how Jagan Reddi made his money ( basicaly doling out government land and contracts ) in exchange of people giving him money for his so called ‘investments’ , I think that ‘puri daal hi kali hai’.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dr Shah Alam Khan
    Well said- Ram and Allah if uttered too much and with anger becomes just ‘halla’. This blog, like many others does have a habit of degenerating into personal name calling and religious abuse.

    Did you read my comment on Prakash Chandra and Johri, and the AIIMS basketball court in the last blog. Difficult to have a conersation when the two of us flit in and out like quick gun murugans. Am coming back for my ‘annual teerth’ to AIIMS in Aug, may see you then.
    Off for a week of sailing now- the joys of semi retirement !!

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Sorry Sir, I missed the last conversation. Well, as you might be knowing that Prof. Chandra passed away a few years back. Did you mean Dr. Ashok Johari? If he is the one in question, he is a good friend and is a leading Paediatric Orthopaedician, presently in Mumbai. By the way which part of UK are you in? I have worked in Midlands (both East and West) and did my M.Ch from Liverpool. It would be a pleasure to meet you in August. I am available round the clock (nearly) at the Institute and have clinics on Mon,Wed and Fri.
    Well, for an agnostic like me, more than religious abuse it is the understanding of hatred which is disturbing. Caste, religion, sects, regions…..what more do we want to divide this beautiful country! At times its frustrating to see the debate on Vinodji’s blog and hence the reason I have restricted my visits to the posts (I hardly read the comments now). its painful to see such hatred on a blog which is meant to propagate peace…..but then thats the way the world is.
    A couplet for all those who spit venom:

    Ek buund zahar ke liye phailaa rahe ho haath,
    dekho kabhii khud apane badan ko nichorh ke

    Great to be in touch,
    Shah Alam Khan

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    shan Reply:

    @Dr alam khan , from Mr shan(surgeons in UK are knownas Mr as you know)
    What you see in this blog is WHAT IS INDIA. Hindus are bunch of hypocrites and MINIMAL compassion for fellow human beings atleast fellow lower castes , ROTTEN TO THE CORE WITH CORRUPTi,ON WHICH COMES AS SECOND NATURE.
    Most of hindu religion is SHOW and airy fairy , no concept of charity , love thy neighbour kind of thing.
    As for ISLAM it is stuck in year AD 400, and also unless islam CAN DIVORCE ALLAH FROM THE DICTATES OF ISLAM ,not much will happen . With science all the certtudes of every religion have been washed away , BUT ISLAM CLINGS TO ITS CERTITUDE which is a reflection of an UNDEVOLOPED SOCIETY.

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    Mr. Khan

    A real gem. Great couplet tks. But is there real chance of peace.?Your last few words say it all . “” …..but then thats the way the world is “”

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Th Arushi Talwar case has been mentioned twice in this blog. For whatever it is worth, I know the family well and you would struggle to find a more DECENT family. Arushi’s grandfather taught us Cardio thoracic surgery at AIIMS, one paternal uncle was our jr, a very quiet dignified opthalmologist initially AIIMS and now PP.
    The shrill reaction of the media and blogosphere elsewhere (like the Madeline Mc Cann case in UK or the dingo story in Oz) and the imbecilic bizarre theories of POLICE have turned the family’s tragedy into a nightmare of astronomical proportions.
    This family is seedha with a capital S

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    I do not doubt what you have said here.

    I did say, if found guilty in a court of law, and in the lynch mob’s court.

    I am sure if they are innocent then soon all of this will be behind them.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    I know ravi you were not being malicious, just that the parents life is finished. Dr Talwar actually got attacked by a nutter who slashed his face

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    Ravi Reply:

    I meant to say NOT in the lynch mob’s court

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    shan Reply:

    OK MISTER SHERLOCK MISHRA,
    please explain, HOW DID THE KILLER ENTER THE HOUSE ,GIVEN NUPUR HANDED THREW KEY FROM THE FLAT FOR THE MAID TO ENTER , WHICH THE MAID DID BY OPENING THE LOCKED ENTRANCE DOOR
    2. WHY DID THEY IMMEDIATELY ACCUSE HEMRAJ ,WITHOUT FINDING OUT WHERE HE IS
    3. WHY DID THE BROTHER OF RAJESH STARTED TO PULL ALL SORTS OF STRING ,SO THAT PREVIOUS SEXUAL EXPOSURE IS NOT MENTIONED IN FORENSIC REPORT.
    4.IT HAS BEED PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT (it is not rocket science) SHE DIED FROM A HIT ON THE SKULL BY A GOLF CLUB FACE , MATCHING EXACTLY THE ONE THAT WAS MISSING FROM THE COLLECTION IN RAJESH ‘S GARAGE.
    4. WHY EVERYTHING WAS CLEANED AND WASHED BEFORE THE POLICE ARRIVED
    5. NECK WAS SLIT WITH A SURGICAL SCALPEL
    PLENTY OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Shenoy saab, just saw yr comment ‘ where is the proof? For all I know, Dr.Mishra, you may just be floating on the froth of your beer mug ‘ haha
    promise you, on return will post a video of my sailing mis ? adventure on youtube. Just need to keep an eye out for Somali pirates- cos if that happens and because I hold a British passport and OCI card, both Indian and Brit navies in these cash strapped times will wash their hands off me- pehle aap, nahin pehle aap

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    Should the misfortune of being taken hostage by Somali Pirates in Greek waters was to befall upon you, then I promise I will tie a yellow ribbon around every oak tree in the Great Park.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    okay , Dr Alam, Prof Chandra had a very formidable reputation, could be very nasty. When Johri was going for his MS exam, he was presenting cases for practice. Prof shredded him with this classic- Johri, you will not pass NEXT time.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    (meaning is baar to tu gaya hi, main next time ki baat kar raha hoon.)

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    and next time you go to AIIMS hostel 5, see the basketball court in the quadrangle. When I was capt of the team in a few decades ago !! I had had it cemented- my claim to fame

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Of course I have been to the quadrangle so many times….now I will cherish walking on that hard surface, knowing whose efforts lie embedded in that stone and cement! I know about Prof. Chandra’s reputation. I have heard tons of stories from his times.
    I presume its time to say Good night……I have a ward round tomorrow morning (not lucky enough to have set sail yet!)
    Shah

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam Khan,

    And the next time you visit you visit AIIMS, please look at the bus stop in front of the institute. This was the stop where, I used to wait for hours six days a week for one full year in ‘73 for the elusive 43A and 43B buses, before I purchased my first scooter!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    You really are pompous. As if the bus stand is some Pietermaritzburg where Gandhi was pushed out from a rail coach on the station.

  • rajiv

    @Mishra,
    Just curious about your sailing. Is it with a cruise or a small group or just by yourself. What are the logistics ?

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    reg Shan’s questions on Talwar’s case- these questions can only be answered by someone who is trained and has access to the thousands of pages of evidence- ie, the judges. All else is dangerous speculation by an excitable public

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    The other name the English a.r.se-loving Shan is known in England is Speculashan.
    In India he is known only as Pareshan.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Rajiv, I am a qualiied sailing skipper. We hire 25-50 foot yatches for 1-2 weeks, and 2-5 ppl sail it. We calculate tidal vectors, plot our own course and sail in wind speeds of 15-30 knots. With experience, will take stronger winds.
    Am allowed to do nightsailing under supervision, but not independently right now. Our group of friends is gaining experience exponentially, and we HOPE to sail the atlantic in 2015.
    I am absolutely astounded that India with its long mega coastline, has only just started promoting sailing. It could provide employment to lakhs.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    cruising is for wimps haha

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    rajiv Reply:

    @Mishra,
    Thanks for the details. Any activity in nature, from sailing to hiking, is blissful. Glad you can enjoy that part of nature. For me, sailing is too rough, but then that exactly must be the allure for you.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Not done sailing. But I do go for white water rafting on the upper gangess, once a while. Well nothing like getting tossed inot chilled waters or nothing like feeling powerless when the current tkes over…. :D

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  • shan

    @Vijay kumar bhand, so anyone extolling the contribution and admiring the western civilization is “hiding behind the balls”.
    Cow pujari, dowry ke bimari, dalito ko balatkari ,
    HOW ABOUT THESE GIRLIE MAGS THAT SELLS LIKE HOT CAKE IN INDIA ,MAXIM , LOADED (uk origin soft porn) AND WHEN DID YOU SEE A OLLYWOOD HERIONE WEAR SARI
    And what about TRASHY BIG BOSS a crude copy of Uk big brother
    NOW READ WHAT OTHERS HAS TO SAY ABOUT CLOWNS LIKE YOU
    Why Do We Indians Ape The West?
    March 03, 2008
    Ledzius

    Watching the Filmfare awards show last night on TV, I couldn’t help comparing them to the Oscars. Everything, from the basic format, to the attire of both male and female celebrities (along with new expressions like “wardrobe malfunction”) seemed to be a carbon copy of the American show. The guys were all in suits (close enough to the tuxes in Hollywood), and the women were in outfits that could have been comfortably worn by Halle Berry to the Oscars with no hint of any “Indianness”. There was not a single female celebrity who had a bindi on her forehead, and that included yesteryears’ stars like Rekha, Dimple, and Neethu. And Saif Ali Khan, one of the presenters, looked more like Andy Garcia doing his Godfather bit with a generous amount of hair gel, than anyone who could be considered native to the subcontinent.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shan

    You wimp hiding on the balls of a whiteman like Nirad Chaoudhari :D

    Drop the inferiority complex!! Dont see the world thru the eyes of a wanna be…

    Be what u want to be..

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you have made several contentious statements regarding the Hindu-sikh-Christian minorities
    of Pakistan.

    “I am aware fully of the sorry plight of minorities there—- notably the Ahmediyas and Shias. The Hindus, sikhs and christians are as badly off but face lesser violence than the muslim sects I have mentioned”
    .

    I have often raised the minorities issue in my reports out of Pakistan, the latest being the discrimination in relief distribution after the floods in August last year.
    Unfortunately, it was Zulfikar Bhutto who brought the separate electorate system besides declaring Ahmediyas non-Muslims. One good thing Musharraf did was to revert to the joint electorate system after which conditions changed briefly. But fundamentalists there are strong as ever. They helped us actually after the 1992 demolition of the babri mosque when they brought down many live and dormant temples in retaliation across Pakistan. Had that not happened, India would have been shamed the world over. As a journalist then posted there, I was the first to give demolition of temples a big play, not as much as a Hindu but as an Indian who didn’t want his country to lose the moral high ground it always had as a non denominational secular state as opposed to an Islamic Republic that is Pakistan.
    Hope that satisfies you.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you have made some contentious statements regarding the Hindu-sikh-Christian minorities
    of Pakistan.

    “I am aware fully of the sorry plight of minorities there—- notably the Ahmediyas and Shias. The Hindus, sikhs and christians are as badly off but face lesser violence than the muslim sects I have mentioned”

    Hindu-Sikh community faces lesser violence (this itself is contentious), because they are almost extinct there. You appear to be mor concerned with the plight of Ahmedias and Shias. As for the Hindus and Sikhs, you seem to be hinting that they asked for it by not taking the route taken quite early in history by people like Advani, Kuldip Nayar, Vinod Sharma and millions of other Hindus and Sikhs who have prospered in a free India.

    “But fundamentalists there are strong as ever. They helped us actually after the 1992 demolition of the babri mosque when they brought down many live and dormant temples in retaliation across Pakistan. Had that not happened, India would have been shamed the world over. As a journalist then posted there, I was the first to give demolition of temples a big play, not as much as a Hindu but as an Indian who didn’t want his country to lose the moral high ground it always had as a non denominational secular state as opposed to an Islamic Republic that is Pakistan.”

    Pakistan came into being because of the Islamic fundamentalism brought into play on the Indian political scene. Destruction of temples and gurudwaras has been going on in Pakistan ever since partition and not particularly because a dilapidated, disused, unusable and disputed structure in Ayodhya was demolished in 1992. It is the pseudo secularism peculiar to India which has shamed us, whereas Pakistan doesn’t get shamed at all anywhere, whether the UN, IOC, IMF, World Bank or anywhere else for its treatment of minoroties. It carries on merrily. Even its pogrom in East Pakistan during1970-71 didn’t cause any dent in its international standing.

    It is sad but true that most Indians particularly Hindus do not feel proud that they are Hindus, when abroad. If Shaan suffers from inferiority complex because of his black/brown skin and Bong origins, you acted as if you are only an Indian and not a proud Hindu too.

    In sum, the Hindu-Sikh community, as Observer and Rajeev have aptly described, have been thrown to the wolves since partition and India simply couldn’t care less.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This rant is utter bollocks and is nothing less than a Sanghi Chant.

    It chronicles incidents and hardly makes any point at all.

    Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, whether we like it or not, the use of RELIGION, as a POLITICAL WEAPON started before the partition. Jinha wanted to achieve his political goals without stooping low and using the then much fomented religious strife as a weapon, but two things made him change his tack. The first was pure practical reality of street arithmetic, he was unable to muster enough support without the help of Muslim League.

    Secondly the Hindu Fundos were asserting their own FUNDAMENTALIST agenda from our side as well. To blame RELIGIOUS goons from the Muslim side whilst ignoring the Hindu thugs is pure naivety.

    What Pakistan has done with its minorities is UTTERLY DEPLOREABLE and should be totally condemned. But it needs to be understood within the context of International relations. Internationally the BIG CONFLICT has been between Christianity and Islam, in comparison to that the Hindu/Muslim fassad is a mere skirmish. Whenever Christians are killed in Pakistan the West reports on them, but when Hindus and Sikhs are killed, West does not, this is simply because the West is Christian and it dominates, for now, International Political forums.

    Hindu’s are not as docile and behave like wilting lilies as Shenoy imagines. They assert their rights, represent their religion and openly practice it. There are Mela’s every where in the summer and Diwali is enjoyed by every one in Traflgar square. I understand that even the White House had some Diwali celebrations last year.

    So much for self hating Hindu’s. Hindu’s are not self hating and neither is Shan. The issue is that YOU SHENOY sees only good in India and Hinduism, so when any one points out the problems in Indian society and/or with Hindu religion then you promptly label them as Pakistani’s, Self Hating Hindu’s, Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. All Sanghi propaganda.

    If we think that an Islamic Republic in Pakistan, which gives no room for religious minorities, is wrong, then by the same logic it is equally wrong to work towards destroying India’s tolerant secular make up and insist on replacing it with a strong Hindu Republic. Which eventually will be just as intolerant of other religious minorities as today’s Pakistan is. The evidence of this can be seen all around.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    ISI man-

    Looks like you got further training on framing sh…

    In the Jinnah context — ur 4th para –”Hindu Fundos from our side……..” as another contributing factor for Pakistan’s creation is of course a new history; not even a revisionist history.

    And your constaant prediction of doom when/if a Hindu party rules..How do you know that? Are you talking about BJP or some other new party? Last time I checked, BJP had ruled in New Delhi and they ruled according to the Indian consitution. “The evidence can be seen all around”…
    Listen, your country needs you in this time of trouble..Go there, patch up with Kayani and his officers and civilians. Looks like it will explode big time

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Raju,

    a fitting reply to the wahabi. He should rush back to Pakshitstan now. He may salvage some of the things he would need when he seeks asylum in UK after the explosion.

    I wish Vinodji would advise him suitably, because there is a cosy buddy-ship between them and he may listen to Vinodji’s timely advice.

    rajiv Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma,

    Your comments about Hindu/Sikhs in Pakistan is factually wrong and misleading. The genocide of Hindus/Sikhs happened much before Zia-Ul-Haq came.
    The Hindus and Sikhs, that made up 20-25% of West Pakistan population, were reduced to 1-2% in 1st 10 years of the rule of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, with most of the violence happened under the Jinnah, who did nothing to stop it. It was the same criminal Jinnah that called for day of rirect action ( riots ) in 1946 that killed 5000 or more innocents in just 1 day. He has no remorse and used religion in a most vicious way.
    In numerical and % terms, few criminal states in world history have achived such religious cleansing as Pak has.
    In contrast, the % of Muslims in territories that make India today, has not only stayed same but actually increased since 1947. India today has almost as many Muslims, as India, W Pakistan and E Pakistan had in 1947.

    Even during the riots of partition that hapened on both sided of the border, encouraged, engineered primarily by Muslim league, only 10-15% of India Muslims migrated to Pakistan where as 85% of Hindu Sikhs were expelled from Pakistan.
    Things only got worse with each passing day.
    The discriminatory laws and Islamic constitution sanctioned discrimination of minorities came later.
    By the time Zia came, Hindus and Sikhs the genocide of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan was complete in a more comprehensive way than that of Jews in Germany.

    India’s role has been to stand on the sidelines as a mute, dumb spectator.
    I hope you do not spread deliberate misinformation which amount to lies.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajiv
    Pl refrain from calling others liars. That is not a good way of arguing. I too can simply end this argument by call you names. My take relates to post-Partition events that saw Hindus converting to Islam in Pakistan, not as much dying in massacres. Many Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs want to set up home now in India to escape the Taliban who are persecuting them. The government isn’t helping or is unable to help them. The attacks lately have been more on Christians than any other minority community. That’s largely on account of antipathy for the West and the US.
    For your information, muslim girls who marry in India cannot apply for citizenship till after a decade of their marriage. Hindus and Sikhs who want to return face similar problems. If India actively encourages them, Pakistan will seek to trigger reverse influx from among Muslims and raise the same bogey of minorities insecurity against India.

    Observer Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    “Hindus and Sikhs who want to return face similar problems. If India actively encourages them, Pakistan will seek to trigger reverse influx from among Muslims and raise the same bogey of minorities insecurity against India.”

    Is this a comment from a person belonging to a party which claims to be following MAHATMA GANDHI?

    MAHATMA GANDHI won freedom for India using SATYAGRAHA , Satya’s Agraha i.e Insistance on Truth. Mahatma Gandhi also liked to call it experiment with truth. Now if party, which has been reaping all the fruits of mahatma Gandhi’s satyagraha, is refusing to insist the truth for persecuted minorities in what was part of India WHAT IS LEFT OF GANDHI IN CONGRESS, other than a stolen name?

    The famous Frontier Gandhi, Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, was right when he commented to some Indians: “while you guys are enjoying freedom, you have thrown us to wolves.”

    So the predicament of left behind religious and ethnic minorities in Pakistan is ,CONVERT THEN let your children BECOME FANATIC AND THEN TERRORIST AND SUICIDE BOMBERS. It is fate similar to JEWS In Nazi Germany, first loss of citizenship then civil rights then property and finally life.

    Hindus, Sikhs, Pathans and other groups who fought for Independence movement in present day Pakistan, believing in Mahatma Gandhi’s Congress should say to Mahatma Gandh posthumously: “Thanks for delivering us to EVIL. We thought you were Mahatma, we thought you consider the India and world were your Mamaka (Mine in Sanskrit) , We did not realize their your only mamakas were Nehru and descendents”

    Observer Reply:

    @B.V.SHENOY

    Now this CQ Vinod Sharma will not open his mouth again for issue of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan. It was Herculean task to make his some comments about the situation there.

    Have you noticed he kept silent about why CQ media is not treating ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan in the same way as it treats the Gujarat riots.

    Ravi Reply:

    You call that a response.

    Not one fact, not one arguement. Just conjecture and filipant contradiction.

    You can be a Shenoy Chamcha.

    Observer Reply:

    @ Ravi,

    I like Chamca( Chamchawala), a character in salmade Rashde’s novel “Satanic Verses”, which refugee CQ, Khuswant Singh asked Rajiv Gandhi to ban in India, the first country to ban that book, thereby encouraging Muslim fundamentalists.

    May be you should read it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Observer

    Thanks for the advise. I will dust my old copy.

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  • shan

    @Cow Pujari, dowry ke pyari, dalito ko balatkari , and that can be the only one in this blog ramdev’s arse lick kari
    Please name three books written on the economic history of india WRITTEN IN YOUR MOTHER TONGUE AND ANYONE FROM YOUR BIRADRI

    Only fools live in the past or carry envy to the present.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ SHan

    here are three forth coming books

    a) Shan Pareshaan– kate aur William Mahaan :D

    b) The economics of believign u r white by latching onto a whiteman’s balls– by Shan

    c) Nirad Chaudhari ka clone kaun– mai ho main hoo– by DR Shan

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    shan Reply:

    These are three volumes of forthcoming AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF vijay singh
    Ek COW PUJARI baba ramdev ke langoat UTARI(Vol1)
    Meri dalit mahilayon ko balatkaar ke josh bharey itiihas aur shilajit ki upkaritayen
    EK UL LOO ki kahani , JISKI BILAYAT ME SETTLE KARNE KA MAKSAD ME KABUTERBAJO SE SUB KUCH KHO DENI PUR E

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Shame ! Shame !!

    IF you dont have answers… why stoop down to obscenities ! :D

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    super.

    I will use the pages as toilet paper.

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar , I have all the queries , you have all the FLIPPANCY

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ SHenoy

    The historical facts are

    a) Minorities in Pakistan have been decimated under a state program

    b) The world has looked the otherway and not shed a tear. Not even India

    Wonder how this history can be reversed.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Please leave Shan alone. You have better things to attend to.

    Shan;
    You could have certainly contributed some thing to bolg, but for your propensity towards obscenities and an urge to fight with every one.

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    shan Reply:

    @pankaj#1,
    perhaps you would like to reflect on these comments from your fellow countrymen
    James T Cassidy says:
    July 23, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    A humble advice to my friends

    Do not cross your swords with Shan. There is only one outcome! And you know what it is.
    If you are polite, you will get an equally polite and well researched answers. If you choose to go the abrasive path, be ready to receive what is launched at you
    Ravi in New York City Reply:
    July 26th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Shan, wherever you are, you are a smart person. Keep up the good work

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn………………

    shan Reply:

    ghoooooooooooooooooooooooooooush(bribe) koi lauta dey mere betey huey din

  • pankaj#1

    Mishraji;
    Thrilled to know about your love for sailing. I had this desire to take this sailing course but finding it difficult to give time to leisure activities. To begin with, I use to go for long cycle trips, say, two to three hundred kilometers. then, in India itself, I started going on motorcycle for long trips. Now my son goes for 5 to 10 thousand kilometer trips on his Suzuki and daughter has taken interest in scuba diving. I Was very much interested in climbing and trekking but could not progressed beyond rock climbing. I held an advance instructor grade diploma from PADI, world leaders in Scuba diving and have done all kind of diving in sea, including night diving and ship wrecks. Why do not you come to this part of world for sailing and we may even find a Spanish galleon with queen’s dowry. ha

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    By the way, if you wish to start a sailing club *** diving club in India, I am game for it.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sorry, forgot that C.U.M. will be thrown out.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    BREAKING NEWS !! :D :D breaking news !! :D :D JOKE OF THE DAY !! :D :D :D

    HINDUSTAN TIMES CELEBERATES YUVRAJ RAHUL’S BIRTHDAY !! :D :D

    Like subjects in a fuedal kingdom the staff of HT has overworked and given a sentimenal mushy cover run to our Yamraj’s birthday.

    As per the pictures ont he site, the whole of India is moved to tears that our Yamraj is going to become the king… let us pray for his health !! :D :D

    While in truth, “MOST OF US INTELLIGENT NON HT EMPLOYEES ARE PRAYING THAT THE YAMRAJ IS COMING SOON… PLEASE GOD SAVE US AND THE COUNTRY !! :D :D

    ha HA aha !! :D :D What a joke HT has become !!

    I have a special friend working in the HT. I am just going to give a call to here and laugh and laugh at the piece of sycophantic shit .

    Dear bloggers and Vinod Sharma… If you get to know that a certain Vinajy Kumar died laughin after seeing this piece of court poetry o Yamraj’s birthday, you should blame the Hiindustan Times !! :D :D

    HA HA HAHA AH :D

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  • pankaj#1

    I am ashamed on my self. these are our people? Indians??Rahul as PM??? We all had anticipated this with bated breath, but so soon, so shamelessly???? I am also ashmed for my association with HT since last fifty years.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    yes it is a matter of national shame that the party of Mahatma gandhi is hijacked by Digvinash Singhs And Mani Silencer Aiyars.

    When Rajiv gndhi was plonked on us we were told that TINA– There is no alternative.

    And now a new web of lies is being spun thru NDTV and HT that our saviour has arrived.

    The truth is Rahul is not very intelligent and got his fake degree thru some help from sycophants.

    His understanding of Indian situations is limited to cooking up lies about 70 x 70 ft pits filled with dad bodies.

    He is linked to Milind Deora whose father Murli deora helped Reliance make 25000 crores by increading the prices of gas against the interest of India.

    Rahul’s brother in law Robert vasdra moved on rickshaws in Moradabad before marriage and now owns and runs five star hotels curtesy Hilton and DLF.

    it is going to be a tragedy of HImalayan propotions when this lies about dynasties are used to murder democracy.

    SHAME ON HT >>

    Any comments Vinodji?????????

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  • Vijay Kumar

    By the way mine was the 420 no comment in this blog. And it happened to be about the lies surrounding rahul gandhi… :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Pankaj ji,

    Earlier Manmohan Singh was counting his days.
    Now he has begun to count the hours.
    He has already begun to stay away from the PM’s khursi even at home!
    So that he may not face the fate of Sitaram Kesari, whose Presidential chair was removed from him when he had gone to the toilet.
    Manmohan Singh, as the rumours go, has suddenly developed cramps in his back, because he tried to stand erect in a hurry.
    My former darji in Connaught Place tells me that there is a sudden rush of orders for bandh-gala’s made of fabric specially imported from Italy, from the Yuvaraj’s cronies for the coronation.

    Vinodji, aap ke liye Main ek bandh gala apni factory se banwaake bhej doonga.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Kyon Chhedte hain? Waise, is Chhedkhani main maja bhi hai.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    Have you noticed, on this blog?

    so many doctors,
    but only one fake doctor

    so many Indians,
    but one fake Indian (remaining)

    two sardars,
    only one genuine.

    Two Rajivs,
    both genuine!

    Ravi Reply:

    Have you also noticed:

    There is only one genuine Crypto Fascist Sanghi.

    We all know who that is.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Stop such mendacious comments. Nobody is asking for certificates from you.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Someday when I get back into media and television I am going to make a comedy.

    Wherre Sita Ram kesari is given a laxative and made to rush to the loo…

    At the door of the Congress office toilet stands the AICC secretary and Sonia Gandhi with a resignation letter in hand.”Kagaz sign karo kesari chacha… otherwise toilet ka darwaaz nahi khulega…”

    A sweating panting Kesari signs a paper not knowing he has signed his own death warrant. Sonia opens the door and as kesari rushes in.

    And Sonia , silencer AIyar and Digvinash put a Godrej triple security lock on the toilet…

    Now with Keasri in the loo..
    Sonia is the lord of the Congress zoo… :D

    As she rushes in back to the AICC office her chamchas announce

    “Sita ram Kesari has resigned and nominated Sonia gandhi as the president….”

    All the chacmcha media… NDTV, HT all fall to her feet. All the Congressmen are shouting
    ” Raj mata has arrived… izzat baecho chamchagiri karo…”

    now thaqt is the story of the congress !!

    The best comedy of the decade :D

    H AHAA hAA HAAA

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    ha, ha, ha, ha.

    Now I really fear for Balwinderji’s stitches.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod ji

    Is it true that BJP has no suitable candidate; to be the PM of India or for that matter to lead the country.

    However, the following were seen limbering up in a dusty maidan in Nagpur.

    M Venkaiah Naidu, Murli Manohar Joshi, Rajnath Singh, Sharadamma Ramanjaneya and S. Harish, Narendar Modi, Uma Bharti, and some minor characters.

    Each wearing a crisp swadeshi khaki Nikkar, a Black Topi and giving fascist mid cest salutes.

    With their white Walrus moustaches – much popularised by Italian Peasant Fascists in the 1920s, they look like some extras from a black and white movie.

    One can hear them rehearsing their Anti Jinnah slogans, as penned by Jaswant Singh. Apparently there will be an interview.

    It is expected that this process, already in its 3rd year is likely to take a few years more. L. K. Advani does not seem restless, he does not have to count.

    We know who will lead BJP, is not a decision that BJP can or will make.

    The decision will be made by the Indian branch of Italian Fascist party, otherwise known as the RSS.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Thanks for the very tongue and cheek concern. Please read my blog soon after the CD issue blew up. It will help you in being more objecitive.

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  • Mohan R

    If Rahul sorry WHEN Rahul Gandhi becomes PM of India I might relinquish my Indian citizenship.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Once you have relinquished your Indian citizenship, which alternative one do you propose to take.

    I am also not sure Indianess is that easy to give up

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    A no brainer.

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    shan Reply:

    Mohan R , classical indian SELF LOATHING. How many americans gave up their citizenship after REAGAN AND BUSHJnr was elected . RAHUL GANDHI IS INFINITELT BETTER THAN THOSE DUMBOS.
    Also rather limited range Rajiv may huffing and puffing about the prospect of rahulbecoming next PM
    he needs to keep in mind INDIA IS A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY , SO IF RAHULBECOMES PM , IT WILL BE THE MANDATE OF ELECTORALMAJORITY.

    YOU CANNOT HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT, the other alternate is take up the citizenship of PAKISTAN , for you will be ASSURED FOR MOST PART OF YOUR LIFE YOU CAN AVOID ANY POLITICS , DYNASTIC OR OTHERWISE

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    Ravi Reply:

    I could not have said that better myself.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Mohan

    A lot of us feel that by promoting dynastic succession the Congress is trivilaisng democracy. An int3ellectually challenged man is being projected to the topseat with pplause by a sycophantic media hunting for finacnical favours.

    I think we need to be brave and fight it out. The Congress and the media is dumb. Lately in Libya and Egypt– countries we should not compare ourselves with–dynatic succession has been rejected. Only North Korea has managed to ram in family rule.

    Do we want to become like them?

    I think we should fight it out. Vote for anyone but the Congress . :D

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  • rajiv

    Indians and people of Indian origin all over the world, should be observing yuvraj’s birthday, as a ‘day of gratefulness’ for being blessed with him.
    People are spending the day feasting , drinking and thanking God for him and demanding that a national holiday be declared.
    Celebrations are reportedly to rival and exceed the celebrations to honor the birth-day of the son of the great north korean dictator.

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  • Ravi

    Fellow Blogers.

    If like me, you do not have an aversion for Fusion Music, then I would recommend that you give the following a try.

    1. Jai Uttal – His Bom Bolenath is particularly favourite of mine. A clever fusion of Baul, contemporary soft rock under pinned by a superb bhajan.

    2. Trilok Gurtu – His album Kathak is a favourite of mine. Jaya Deva sings on it, despite his Indian sounding name, he is Italian.

    3. Susheela Raman – He r album Music for Crocodile is a very clever mixture of Carnatic and western music, a pure delight. It has a bhajan called Chordiya.

    4. Pascal of Bollywood – A French man sings some popular film songs. Chali Chali re patang meri chali re. Rajender Krishan who penned this song introduced my to a new colur named “dhani”.

    5. Abhijeet Pohankar – A student of his celebrated dad has fused some great tunes, his Tarana in Malkauns is pure joy to listen.

    6 Dya Singh – A particularly favourite of WAHABI Sikhs like me.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi, not into fusion music ,mainly indian film songs from any decade,BUT FILMS , I AM YOUR MAN
    not surprising , given i hail from land of satyajit ray.Lets start with Groundhog Day. Tell me what you understood of that film.Want to know anything about Ghatak or Ray , feel free to ask.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    There are rumours that Youth Congress has been asked to go on hunger strike for nominating Rahul as the PM and also diverting attention from Anna’s fast for Lokpal…

    To top it all the COngress Seva Dal which basically means Gandhi parivar Seva Dal is planning a country wide agitaion funded by Mr Q and Mr Chaddha that would have workers shouting out, “we want Rahul… woh nahi aaya toh zindagi barbaad…”

    While our intellectually challenged yamraj is trying to figure out why me?

    Arre school college mein bewakoof toh kya hua
    yeh Chandrayaan desh waale mujhe hi PM banayenge

    Even if I dont know the difference between Jaish and hash
    mr Q will provide the cash ! :D

    The media says dynastic succesion is my right…
    even though i may not be bright ! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The congressmen have a rule, post Mahatma Gandhi, that when they fast they cannot eat anything.

    EXCEPT, THEY CAN EAT MONEY.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I have a lot of that music too, surprisingly lot

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I would like to share one scene from a Stayajit Ray film, which left a permanent mark on my psyche.

    I am afraid I am unable to recall the name of the film, but I remember it being one of the Pather Panchali series.

    In this scene a very poor young girl is in her room, looking out through a hole in a curtain made out of jute cloth. It is dark inside, light outside and there is a procession (may be a village weding) passing by. In this one scene Sayajit taught me more about film making than any course could have done in three years.

    If you know the scene or the movie would like to hear your views.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi ,it is most likely PATHER PANCHALI, but could be Samapti , but that is a different trilogy.
    To me the greatest scene in pather panchali is when the children discover the grandmother in the woods , dead some time , they touch her ,she rolls over and the lota rolls away making an uncanny noise .
    to appreciate ray tou need to see couple of times to appreciate the subtle nuances.
    This from the film KAPURUSH(kayar)
    The husband is showing the pictures drawn by his wife to a guest , who was also his wife’s boyfriend. . He calls the butler and asks him to stand beside the portrait she had drawn of the butler..next he shows another drawing , this is their bungaow.
    The significance is they live in such a god forsaken desolate tea garden , that these are only objects of inspiration.
    his each film is masterpiece, except the last four which were very ordinary , maybe his age and illness had put a damper to his creativity.
    In Satranj ke khilari , his ending is better than the original story.In the original one of the nawabs kills the other ,when one of them told the other ” your wife is having an affair with your nephew”. That ending would have been too melodramatic and would be against the central tenet about the mental meakness of the nawabs , indifferent to the defeat all around.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    Thanks for this.

    I am inspired and will add some of Ray’s films on my LoveFilm list and in due time they will come.

    Perhaps after that we can exchange some views.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    “That ending would have been too melodramatic and would be against the central tenet about the mental meakness of the nawabs , indifferent to the defeat all around.”
    Actually, in a sense the film was Ray’s statement on feudalism, with Nawabs (wonderfully played by Sanjeev Kumar and Saeed Jaffry) depicting a nice representation.
    On a related but different note, how do you rate Ray’s Pratidwandi ? For some reason , of some of the Ray’s films it has left me with a very persistent impression. IMHO, the high-point in the film being the government job interview scene with the protagonist remembering his anatomy class (prof’s lecture in the background echoing “bones provide rigidity and support to the body”) – suddenly the visual changes depicting human skeletons seated in the row. Another point in the same film – when the protagonist asks his brother (a Naxalite) , does he think he will see revolution in his life-time ?
    - Mahesh.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    May be I am wrong, but the one with Sanjeev Kumar was a Hindi version of a Bengali original and therefroe probably not by Ray

    Mahesh Reply:

    Ravi,
    The Hindi version (if at all there is such a thing that it is *derivative* of bengali version) of film *is* directed by Ray . In case you haven’t had a chance to watch it – grab a copy (DVD or whatever) , and spend a couple of hours watching the film at your own pace.Both Sanjeev Kumar (playing the notorious one of the two nawabs) and Jaffrey just freaked out . I guess, they were handed over the script and just set loose.
    BTW, speaking of Saeed Jaffrey – watched “Tandoori Nights” ?
    - Mahesh.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Just checked on Google, and you are absolutely right.

    Another surprise I got is that it is based upon a short story written by Munshi Premchand. My childhood favourite.

    I will add to my list of films that I need to study.

  • pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    A news item in HT says that US accuses pakistan of tipping militants, making bomb, allowing them to flee, when they informed pakistan. These naives ( US) do not understand that , US is fighting pakistan, not al Qaeda or Talibans.
    Repatriation of thousands of pakistani soldiers from Mazar Sharif, as happened, courtsey, Bush, was one of the numerous evidences. pakistani were fighting in the guise of Talibans.
    All the Aslah, which talibans have now, is through state of pakistan ( and being replenished). man, material , R & R, the whole gamut. Funny part is that US is financing its battel( Talibans, through ISI) and simultaneously, suffering body bags. Limit of stupidity. these pakistani will steal gold tooth from their mother, before burying them.

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    Ravi Reply:

    But of course that is true.

    The Haqani group, LeT, and some other groups were set-up by the ISI to do its dirty work.

    Every one knows that.

    The way Pakistan gets away with this is by telling USA that it needs the Haqani group to counter India’s strategic depth in Afghanistan and it needs LeT to help liberate Kashmir.

    The situation is made more complex by the fact that some terrorist groups have broken free from ISI and have started pursuing their own agenda, just as Bhinderanwalle did.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Hey man;
    You are getting better by day. Films, Gazals and all that. You are in fusion music too, despite your age?? that is impressive. But our fundamental diiferences exist. If you do not resort to abuses, ( not out of fear, U have no idea) I can still engage with you. No favor to either party, just mental relaxation.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mujh tak kab unki bazam mein aata tha daur-e-jaam
    Saki ne kuch mila na diya ho sharab mein

    From the Ghazal

    Kabse hoon kya bataon jahan-e-khraab mein
    Shab aaye gar hijar ko bhi rakhon hisaab mein

    Best rendition by Malika Pukhraj

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    Very rightly said… these Pakistanis would steal a gold tooth from their mother !

    I think they have evolved their own economic model. Foment terrorism… then cry out “we need ais to fight this terror… ” :D

    Sad that the US is still not fully aware of the depth of the Pakistani perfidy.

    Time that NRI’s in US hire some lobby groups to create an atmosphere for dismantgling Pakistan. Robert Blackwill, former US ambassador to India has already prepared a paper on this.

    Unfortunatley Indians in India are made to believe that a stable and strong pakistan is in our interest. This is not true. history is giving us an opportunity to finish this problem forever. But our current foreign office staffed by SM Kraishana is too weak…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Indian lobby in the USA is very strong and very effective.

    It is better than the Pakistani lobby.

    Its is Pakistan’s geopolitical situation that has delivered it many an undeserved dividends.

    Don’t worry it is on the path of self destruct.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    When Pakistan self destructs hopefully we will all celeberate. As far as geopoltical situation goes it is also hype. Even if you show a general the North star… he will give you a hundred good reasons why it is the best place to make a military base…

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  • shan

    @’mahesh and ravi.PRATIDWANDI is outstanding, THE HELPLESSNESS AND WRETCHEDNESS all around, this is the time of NAXALITE MOVEMENT and bedlam in calcutta.there are many ways of showing the context of the disillusionment and mayhem, think about the scene where a mercedes benz car was about to knock down somebody, he focuses on the mercedes benz sign . Also shows because he didn’t subscribe to the dictum WHEN YOU CANT BEAT EM , JOIN EM , he is in conflict ,yet he is IMPOTENT seeing his sister forced to sleep with her boss. Yet his class mate , steals money from RED CROSS donation pot without any conflict in his conscience , and happy to fool around with nurses.
    Ray had become angrier after pratidwandi , but his anger is not NARA BAZI of mrinal sen (ex medical representative). If you watch the film JANA ARANYA(the middleman), there is a scene where in a very poor yet middle class by virtue of education, house the rickety father looks far old than his age enters. there is load shedding(power cut). father asks the son who is with his friend “the friend says “Uncle ,you are so late from your office” ” Be he n c hod pwd people have dug up the roads , so had to take a detour” Shows the pent up frustration ,anger in that man . ray never used expletives before.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am seeing an entirely new Shan.

    An entirely likeable Shan.

    I am glad I persevered.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    It should be celebration time for Shaan, because finally he has found somebody who likes him
    Now he can drink real daaaaaaruuuuuuuuuu.

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    shan Reply:

    joker

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    My sister is in charge of UN operations in Afghanistan. she tells me that there is unparralled goodwill for India.

    The Afghans are willing to go on all out war with Pakistan in case India supports them. maybe we should explore that end…

    we really need to make sure that the Taliban dont get the nukes…

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    You are kidding. My friend is quite high in UN hierarchy, no kidding from my side. A fringe of pakhtoons are with Pakistan, they really, detaste them. But natural.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I am not kidding

    the Afghans feel that the Pakistanis want to swallow them and make it part of Pakistan. While the Northern part of Afghanistan– which was once headed by a guy called Ahmed Shah masood is actually at loggerheads with the Pashtuns.

    My sister is brave ewnough to be there. maybe I would have second thoughts.

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    Ravi Reply:

    My admiration is for your sister. She is very brave.

    I bet her parents worry.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    ask your sister whether Ravi can help Pakishitstan from behind the battle lines. And if he can, how to airlift him from Trafalgar Square and airdrop him wherever he can be useful.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I never thought that Manmohan Singh could be a person who does not have any self respect. His fondness for the chair he sits on is well known. But that he shall swallow such insults as are dished out by “Senior” members of his own party is something which we never expected. Earlier Ajit Jogi had treid something similar.

    His plight is worse than that of Sitaram Kesri. As Party President , Sitaram Kesri did not face the predicament of being forced to sign on the dotted line on files concerning matters of the State. But this Manmohan Singh has been doing so and we have all seen the consequences..

    But there could be another explanation for this. Probabaly Manmohan Singh in recent days is not exactly willing to play along eyes closed as he had been doing so long.And this is one way that the Mother -Son duo are hitting out at him, Digvijay singh of course playing the hatchet man ever so keen he is to play that role..

    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    You mentioned about Congressmen eating money while fasting.

    In comparison we have had two fasts– one by Anna Hazare and another by Ramdev– both for causes which were genuine. I would disagree with some of their demands but have not even 1% doubt that Ramdev’s country wide galvanising of people against corruption has scared all politicans and we may see some (probably very little) action against Black money :D

    Now let me tell you a true story which a doctor told me once about a POLITICAL leader holding a fast.

    We all know it is difficult to stay without food for 2-3 days and it causes all sort of health problems.
    Apparently this leader was scared after the first hour of fasting. Since this event was getting some media coverage, he could not “cheat” and disappoint his followers/… :D

    So his chamchas found a way out. That every time he would go to the toilet, a packet of dry fruits in a unobtrusive packing would be placed in a strategic corner, which he could munch while sitting on the pot…. :D :D

    And so netaji continued his fast… while making sure to go to the toilet every three four hours…. :D :D

    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy

    That sort of treatment should be really reserved for an arm chair fascists like YOU.

    Perhaps what she should be asked is what is Shenoy willing to put in where his foul mouth is. Or is he suitable than nothing more than evicting girls from Bangalore Pubs.

    After all you hate Jihadi’s lets see if she can bring you face to face with one of them.

    I would look forward to commentary on that.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    What you recommend will get us so far and no further.

    The moment Afghanistan, with or without help from India, attacks Pakistan. Pakistan will Nuke India. Think about it.

    In the long run, our only hope is that the Pakistan middle class reasserts its non-religious, more economic, values and separates Religion from Politics.

    For as long as Religion, in this case Hanafi Islam, has disproportionate influence on Pakistani State, we will have the same problem we currently face.

    By the way there is a lot of goodwill towards India in certain sections of Pakistan as well.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Ravi

    Pakistan is a state based on religion of the wrong kind. It is based on the assumption that all religions are less than what it practices and its has the right to kill whoever disagress with it.

    I have made one visit to Pakistan and found my hosts to be friendly. but that does not reflect in the state policy which is browbeated by the exremists and the ISI. At the end of the day if they beleive that they need to convert other religoins and exterminate people who preach athiesm ( which I am at times) it is not a stqte for me. :D

    Sadly I could not vist the house of my grandfather becasue of visa limitations.

    But….

    I was very happy that he was intelligent enough to join a kafial and trudge to India… :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I think the present state of affairs (if pardon the pun) is not sustainable.

    Pakistan will change, it has no option.

    Had you been to Sialkot, you would have been to my ancestral lands

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  • Vijay Kumar

    But just to clarify… I am Hindu for 20 days a month and athiest fro 10… when I start questioning ALL religions.

    And am proud that as a Hindu I have this freedom without the fear of getting killed…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Religion and matters of spritual sustinance should be a matter of personal choice

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Same here. I am an agnostic and atheist, more than that. I agree with Shan some time, With Ravi some time time and with Shenoy, most of the time. But I go with you all the time. We are different animals here.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Happy Kisaan Adhikar Diwas to everyone… ;) ;)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Actually it should be Kisan Andhakar Diwas.

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  • pankaj#1

    When some body says Sialkot, I reach to borders of Hindu Kush. No kidding, I was about to host a Pakistani Jouranalist here, who was brave enough and truthful.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Dushmani hi sahi, but tumahre jauk ke hum kayal ho rahen hain.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yaar hi itane bhari hain ki dushman uthane ki hum me taqat hi kahan

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ghalib ke sher kahe the, shayad aapko pasand aain hon

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  • rajiv

    There was a poll sometime ago in Afganistan.
    India was the most popular country.
    Pakistan the most hated.
    On the net too, Afghans hate Pakistan.

    Nothing makes Pakistan lose its sanity ( if any left after its juvenile longing for Kashmir ) as seeing that.
    Instead of looking at their actions against Afganistan, Pakistan thinks its a hindu conspiracy that Afghans like India.

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  • pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    As a Delhiite and hindustani, Galib hamare hain.
    Ye mana ke sukhanwar hain dakhan mai bahut, par kaun jaye dilli ki galiyan chhod ke.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You are talking my language.

    I left Karol Bagh in 1972, and still go back there every year.

    I left The Airforce Central School in 1969 and Graduated from Delhi University in 1972.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    I lived in Motibagh. Bal Bharti Air force school, Dhaula Kuan, was my play field. I started my career at Ganga Ram hospital, with trusties, still from Lahore days. Roshan de huttie, at Ajmal khan road was our favorite haunt. So many memories. I am sorry to say that you perceive me as a fundo, which I am not. I am all for Ganga jamuni tehjib. BUT, in Capital. I will not accept the kind of secularism, being practiced by present government. OK, let us not go there. Good moments should not be wasted in acrimony.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Roshan di Hutti, was 3 or 4 shops away from Standard Burfi, where we prefered to eat our Kulcha, Bhatura’s.

    The Bal Bharti Airforce Children’s School, I went to was in Lodhi Road and I used to catch number 24 bus from outside Khalsa College and get off at Lodhi Road.

    When I went to The AFCS it was in Race Course, and in my last year or so it moved to Subrato Park, near Dhaula Kuan.

    I have had more Dosa’s in Ashok Hotel Staff Canteen than one can shake a stick at.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    OK,
    Here, I give you a certificate, for whatever it is worth. You are a Delhiite. Standard burfi, is also the place, where, I use to take my family, for treats. If you say Khalsa college, Sukhi, not a small character, who is a very dear friend of mine, and also a friend of that fiesty Sardar, Daler mehndi, and a force to reckon with Khalsa college students.

  • pankaj#1

    Ravi/ Vijay;
    If you can read the article of sister of Pankaj Butalia, famous, TT player, read it.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Thanks for your comments. In case you can give me the links to the article Iwould love to read it.

    By the way I too have done my beat at karol bagh but mostly for getting my Bullet repaired when I was in college. There used to bea huge auto market there dont know what has happened to it now…

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    No Vijay;
    that was some time back, nay, some years back, where she had visited her former home, now in Pakistan and where,one of her relative had to convert, just to save his property and even then, he did not get respect. I was a good TT player and that is how, butalia’s name got registered in my mind.

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  • shan

    @ravi and Mahesh, perhaps we can carve out our little space away from the perpetual indo pak spat.
    Coming back to Ray , his children’s film are a delight to watch and .according to Rushdie , they are the best amongst all his films. The incredible thing is, the plot is one of conmen , realbaddies , but as it is meant for children to watch he keeps it at that level with incredible humour. The central character in SONAR KELLA (the golden fortress) in a child about 7or 8 yrs, who can remember his past life . These baddies get a whiff of this news and plan to abduct, with the hope that he will lead them to the golden fortress (jaisalmir) where all the gold is hidden.
    Now these baddies are shown playing LUDO while travelling on train. The humorous bit is when one of them is caught cheating on the other. The dialogue can be best appreciated if you follow the language.
    Also the contraptions they use to kill the detective Felu da (any bengali who is senior is referred with a Da) is so in keeping with a children’s film. No guns No fist fight , these baddies release a particular type of very poisonous scorpion found in rajasthan.You can order it from love Films
    BUT THE ONE RECOMMEND AS AN URGENT VIEWING IS THE GERMAN FILM “LIFE OF OTHERS”
    We should be thankful to be born in India , we take democracy for granted,JUST WATCH THE FILM
    it is spine chilling and cinematically outstanding , won an oscar for best foreign film

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    OK, Pankaj ji, Ravi, Vijay Kumar and all ex-Delhiites ( which, incidentally, includes me too)

    Here is a very poignant song , in which Majrooh Sultanpuri has put his soul, and soulfully sung by Mohammed Rafi in the film, aptly named Chandni Chowk: (Lest I forget, Great music by Roshan).

    zamin bhii vahii hai, vahii aasamaan
    magar ab woh dillii kii galiyaan kahaan

    yahaan par thikaanaa kisii kaa nahiin
    ye zaalim zamaanaa kisii kaa nahiin
    yahaan lut gaye kitane hii kaarawaan
    kahaan hain wo dillii kii galiyaan kahaan

    woh ulfat nigaahon mein baaqii nahiin
    woh mahafil nahiin hai woh saathii nahiin
    huyii band inasaaniyat kii zubaan
    ilaahii woh dillii kii galiyaan kahaan

    gayaa mausam-e-gul bahaaron ke saath
    vo duniyaa gayii taajadaaron ke saath
    zamaanaa gayaa rah gayii daastaan
    woh dillii, woh dillii kii galiyaan kahaan-
    woh dillii, woh dillii kii galiyaan kahaan
    woh dillii, woh dillii kii galiyaan kahaan.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Well said !

    Majrooh Sultanpuri was amaster lyrcist in the film world. The words of his songs were far superioer to his contemperories like Anand Bakshi and I dare sayKaifi Azmi.

    As far as Anand bakshi goes, let me narrate a humourous incident. As a child in the eighties I was good friends with his nephew or maybe some relative of his. One day my friend whispered that the famous song writer Anand Bakshi was staing at his place.

    At that time I thought poetry required some romantic fervour and a special intellet.

    “sir, ” I asked Anand Bakshi, “how much time does it take you to write a song…”

    Bakshi was sipping whisky and he turned and looked at me, he must have probably thought that who is this pimpled teenager in shorts asking such a stupid question :D

    And then said, ” Five minutes… at imes ten… But the songs of Amar Prem took a long time…”

    Anand Bakshi in my opinion got the beat right… but mostly the words werre simple… :D

    So that is it! Shenoy you never know the songs you sometimes write here could well be supoerhits!!

    And of course the songs Bakshi wrote for Amar Prem are still my all time favourites…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Whist in general comparing one poet to another is a frustrating exercise because it would eventaully come down to personal likes and dislikes, but I agree with your assesment when one compares Majroh with Anand Bakshi.

    However, comparison between Majroh and Kaifi Aazmi is a bit difficult. The two are very different.

    Majroh likh rahen hain WOH, aehlay jaffa ka naam
    Hum bhi kharday hoyae hain gunhaegaar ki tarah.

    Fantastic line.

    Kaifi Aazmi wrote…

    Mein yeh sooch kar uske dar se utha tha,
    Ke woh roak legi, manna legi mujh ko.

    He aslo wrote.

    Khench Do Apne Khoon Se Zameen Par Lakeer,
    Is Taraf Aane Paaye Na Raawan Koyi,
    Thod Do Haath Agar Haath Utne Lage,
    Chune Paaye Na Sita Ka Daaman Koyi,
    Ram Bhi Tum, tumhi Lakshman Saathiyon,

    However, IMHO, Sahir, Shakeel, and Shalendar consistantly produced higher standard poetry.

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    You are right. It is unfair to compare one poet with another…

    Probably the poets had one advantage. That they were all writing about a socialist ideal which they felt Indian society was not.

    NOt socialsim has failed us… so no poems on pressing issues of the day.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I agree with you abut Anand Bakshi. Here is an example:

    मेरे नैना सावन भादोंं
    फिर भी मेरा मन प्यासा – (२)

    ऐ दिल दीवाने, खेल है क्या जाने
    दर्द भरा ये, गीत कहाँ से
    इन होंठों पे आए, दूर कहीं ले जाए
    भूल गया क्या, भूल के भी है
    मुझको याद ज़रा सा, फिर भी …

    बात पुरानी है, एक कहानी है
    अब सोचूँ तुम्हें, याद नहीं है
    अब सोचूँ नहीं भूले, वो सावन के झूले
    ऋतु आये ऋतु जाये देके
    झूठा एक दिलासा, फिर भी…

    In this immortal song of Mehbooba, this song, though crucial to the story, is so pedestrain, so soul-less (forgive my pun in the context of the film’s story) I feel, I could have written better lines even without the whiskey.

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Probably it was Kishore’s voice which carried it to the suprhits charts. Or may be R D Burman’s (?) music.

    Maybe simple worded catchy numbers is what stays in the Janta’s mind :D

    Trouble is the songs of today lack even these simple words. I can hardly recall the words of ten songs after 1942 a love story (which in my opinion had master lyrics) .

    Film music today is all about jhatkas and foot beats. NObody is expected to sing along with the song anymore.

    Ravi Reply:

    Song of the Day

    Sahir and Roshan combined to make this immortal song.

    The lyrics are of Literary quality.

    Na to Caarvan ki Talaash hai

    Na to Caarvan ki Talash hai

    Na To Caarvaan Ki Talaash Hai, Na To Humsafar Ki Talaash Hai
    Mere Shauq-E-Khaana Kharaab Ko, Teri Rehguzar Ki Talaash Hai

    Mere Naamuraad Junoon Ka Hai Ilaaj Koi To Maut Hai
    Jo Dava Ke Naam Pe Zehar De Usi Chaaraagar Ki Talaash Hai

    Tera Ishq Hai Meri Aarzoo, Tera Ishq Hai Meri Aabroo
    Dil Ishq, Jism Ishq Hai, Aur Jaan Ishq Hai
    Imaan Ki Jo Poochho To Imaan Ishq Hai
    Tera Ishq Hai Meri Aarzoo, Tera Ishq Hai Meri Aabroo,
    Tera Ishq Maein Kaise Chhod Doon, Meri Umra Bhar Ki Talaash Hai

    Jaansoz Ki Haalat Ko Jaansoz Hi Samjhega
    Maein Shamaa Se Kehta Hoon Mehfil Se Nahin Kehta Kyonki
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Sahar Tak Sabka Hai Anjaam Jal Kar Khaak Ho Jaana,
    Bhari Mehfil Mein Koi Shammaa Ya Parvaana Ho Jaye Kyonki
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Vehshat-E-Dil Rasm-O-Deedaar Se Roki Na Gayi
    Kisi Khanjar, Kisi Talvaar Se Roki Na Gayi
    Ishq Majnu Ki Vo Aavaz Hai Jiske Aage
    Koi Laila Kisi Deewaar Se Roki Na Gayi, Kyonki
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Vo Hanske Agar Maangen To Hum Jaan Bhi Deden,
    Haan Ye Jaan To Kya Cheez Hai Imaan Bhi Deden Kyonki
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Naaz-O-Andaaz Se Kehte Hain Ki Jeena Hoga,
    Zehar Bhi Dete Hain To Kehte Hain Ki Peena Hoga
    Jab Maein Peeta Hoon To Kehten Hai Ki Marta Bhi Nahin,
    Jab Maein Marta Hoon To Kehte Hain Ki Jeena Hoga
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Mazhab-E-Ishq Ki Har Rasm Kadi Hoti Hai,
    Har Kadam Par Koi Deewaar Khadi Hoti Hai
    Ishq Aazad Hai, Hindu Na Musalmaan Hai Ishq,
    Aap Hi Dharm Hai Aur Aap Hi Imaan Hai Ishq
    Jis Se Aagaah Nahi Shekh-O-Barahaaman Dono,
    Us Haqeeqat Ka Garajtaa Hua Ailaan Hai Ishq

    Ishq Na Puchhe Deen Dharm Nu, Ishq Na Puchhe Jaataan
    Ishq De Haathon Garam Lahu Vich, Doobiyaan Lakh Baraataan Ke
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Raah Ulfat Ki Kathin Hai Ise Aasaan Na Samajh
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Bahut Kathin Hai Dagar Panghat Ki
    Ab Kya Bhar Laun Maein Jamuna Se Matki
    Maein Jo Chali Jal Jamuna Bharan Ko
    Dekho Sakhi Ji Maein Jo Chali Jal Jamuna Bharan Ko
    Nandkishor Mohe Roke Jhaadon To
    Kya Bhar Laun Maein Jamuna Se Matki
    Ab Laaj Raakho More Ghoonghat Pat Ki

    Jab Jab Krishn Ki Bansi Baaji, Nikali Raadha Saj Ke
    Jaan Ajaan Ka Maan Bhula Ke, Lok Laaj Ko Taj Ke
    Janak Dulaari Ban Ban Doli, Pahan Ke Prem Ki Maala
    Darshan Jal Ki Pyaasi Meera Pi Gai Vishh Ka Pyaala
    Aur Phir Araj Kari Ke
    Laaj Raakho Raakho Raakho, Laaj Raakho Dekho Dekho,
    Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq, Ye Ishq Ishq Hai Ishq Ishq

    Allah Rasool Ka Farmaan Ishq Hai
    Yaane Hafeez Ishq Hai, Quraan Ishq Hai
    Gautam Kaa Aur Maseeh Ka Armaan Ishq Hai
    Ye Kaaynaat Jism Hai Aur Jaan Ishq Hai
    Ishq Sarmad, Ishq Hi Mansoor Hai
    Ishq Moosa, Ishq Koh-E-Noor Hai
    Khaaq Ko But, Aur But Ko Devta Karta Hai Ishq
    Intaha Ye Hai Ke Bande Ko Khuda Karta Hai Ishq

    Haan Ishq Ishq Tera Ishq Ishq
    Tera Ishq Ishq, Ishq Ishq

    shan Reply:

    @ravi , this is barsat ki ek raat,manna dey and ustad something.
    Try this out. you may not follow the llyrics but the composition is SALIL CHOUDHURY, thus divine melody. Just type Shyamal mitra you tube jodi kichu tomarey sudhaye
    I will be eagerly waiting your response as you are such a music buff

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy;
    You are multitalented personality. My appreciation for you enhances as you, know the Pan Indian culture with many of its nuances, effortlessly.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    feel insignificant, I am here amongst adeebs.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    when you mentioned dillie ki galian, I was reminded of the song by Rafi. You must hear it if you have not so far heard it, on smashits.com. It never fails to evoke nostalgic memories of my stay in Delhi.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you said, “@BV Shenoy
    Thanks for the very tongue and cheek concern. Please read my blog soon after the CD issue blew up. It will help you in being more objecitive.”

    I read the blog again and I stand by what I said there, ages ago:

    “you are being rather unfair to me. If you peruse the comments here, I am the only one who has consistently agreed with your position as far as due diligence goes.

    You have said you have a problem about disclosing the identity of the lab which helped you in the due diligence. I have gone along with that position of yours too.

    My point was and still is: Why have you not exercised the same due diligence when the issue was taking up a CD for publication which had undeniable foot-prints (I meant finger-prints) of Amar Singh’s on it?

    All through the correspondence here, you have maintained studious silence on your position about Amar Singh, the dalaal, Amar Singh, the fixer, Amar Singh the purchaser of MPs, judges, journalists and witnesses. What about your journalistic ‘dharma’?

    Your action in siding with the likes of Amar Singh, Digvinash Singh and similar other despicable characters has wittingly or unwittingly (I am prepared to grant you the benefit of doubt that it was mostly unwittingly) put spokes in the otherwise fast turning wheel of the civil society on the issue of corruption”.

    In response, Vinodji, you had this to say:

    “I reject all that Amar Singh represents in public life. That has always been my position— even when he was a key figure in the SP. The CD may have had his fingerprints. That is why we got it examined before we used it. It was done out of distrust for Amar and trust for the Bhushans (that is now a once upon a time story)”.

    Fro the above, I feel I have been very objective about your position on the CD.

    Now, will you please, after all these weeks, tell us why NO EDITOR HAS THOUGHT IT WISE TO BRING OUT FOR THE PUBLIC OF THIS NATION WHAT MULAYAM SINGH HAS TO SAY ON HIS ROLE IN THE CONCOCTION OF THE TAPE?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    You couldn’t prove your first point so now you have raised a fresh question. If Malayam hasn’t spoken, is it my fault? If I remember correctly, his close associate Mohan Singh had dissociated his leader from the CD. But himself, Mulayam never spoke. Not atleast to my knowledge.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Friends may like to visit the website of the “Sunday Guardian” a weekly newspaper edited by M J Akbar. Some very interesting stories out there.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @praveen saxena
    It is not just a paper edited by MJ Akbar —- whose full time employment is with India Today. It is funded by Mahesh Jethmalani.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I did not know that Sir . Nonetheless, we are concerned with the truthfullness of the stories it carries. And Mahesh Jethmalani may be a member of the BJP but does not mean that he is not entitled to bring out a paper. Are not newspapers owned and published by members of the Congress Party.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    What about Pioneer. Now owned and edited by a former working journalist. Spectacular rise. You know of whom?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Sharma,
    You must admit that Mr.Mitra is honest in his political leaning unlike you.
    You pretend to be neutral but everyone can see thru your fake journalism. Come out in the open and declare that you are a congressi journalist.

    You can try to get Padmashri followed by RS membership if you can get an audience with Rahul Baba or Mata Sonia.

    Why are you jealous of Mitra?

  • rajiv

    Instead of innuendoes, if all journalists ( from Pioneer to HT to Guardian ) wrote the truth about their rivals, we would all benefit.

    @Praveen,
    So whats MJ Akbar have to say in summary ?

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv;
    M. J. Akbar has written an article about Radia tapes in which it has been mentioned that Chidambaram has been given huge amount of cash by Raja. Akbar has forcefully raised this point, that why CBI has not explored this angle. Now, no body can castigate Akbar as Sold Journo, he is upright. So indeed, why CBI has not explored that angle of chiddu in cahoot with Raja.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    I admire MJ as a writer. Don’t agree with the rest.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Pankaj,
    Thanks.
    @Mr Sharma,
    You would rather talk about so called godmen to everything else under the sky except of rampant corruption promoted and protected by the sonia-manmohan regime in power. I understand.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    If Chidu is corrupt… let us kick the UPA on the BUtt !!

    The UPA is turning our to be a retrograde corrupt to the core aliance of ineffective leaders. yet many of us still hoped that it will answer aspirations of a new globalised india as some of its leaders were educated and accomplised and polished.

    yet one by one they are flling like ninepins.

    If Chidambaram gets tainted then in effect there is only one MMS left at the top who is not linked to kickbacks. And he is not a leader but an economist occupying a chair…

    I had hig regards for him Maybe because he seemed educated (harvard) accomplished (as a lawyer) But now if he has taken kickbacks, there is no one in the top echleons of the UPA who seems clean. even the Mayawati government in UP seems better.

    Chidu boy… you have broken my heart… :(

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Agree. If Chiddu is corrupt, then next is MMS. Do we have any one in the whole pantheon of Indian political system, where, we can repose our faith?

  • vijay kumar

    BIG COMEDY ON TV– WATCH CNN IBN. !! :D :D

    Discussionon Yamraj being projected as the PM . Uncle Vinod Sharma is there.
    Jayanti natarajan has blown the bugle “Meraa… raj Kumar aaya re…” :D

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ :D :D :D ~~ UNCLE VINOD SAYS “YAMRAJ KO SALAAM !!! ” ~~~~ ::D :D :D ~~~

    @ Vinod Sharma

    At the end of discussion you were building up a case that Rahul can become the PM and it is not dynastic succession since the Congress did not put Sonia Gandhi on the Pm’s chair for three possible terms :D :D

    Wow !! What a line to take !! Anyway thank you Congress for those mericies :D

    Vinod Sharmaji this is not the India of 1984 where lies about TINA (There Is no alternative to a Nehru-gandy) can be sold. If you are serious, then I pity you that you that you dont know the pulse of new India..

    We are lucky that Sonia gandhi was not the PM say during 26/11 or for that matter during the these corruption probes. MMS is intelligent and even though not vocal, still has adminstrative experiece to take some right economic and political decisons. The COngress by shouting out “Rahul Rahul…’ are effectively saying that they were failures for the past 7 years. That the manmohan Singh years are a waste:D

    Let me tell you lies like Rahul being intelligent, fair and clean and thus eligible will not wash. Fair he may be because of an italian mother but beyond that has he ever held any position except being an ineffective speaker of the party? Why doesnt he become a minister– say of home to show how intelligent he is…

    All people on this blog for example actually work for a living. From Bank managers to doctors to engineers to Marketing guys. And the Indians of today have seen the world and lies about a dynastic right to rule will NOT wash.

    No sir. This guy is not capable of answering 10 questions in case someone in the press asks them in continuation. At best he can be a showboy or a curiosity vote gatherer. he should remain that :D

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    I luv the way you guys keep track of what i do or say. Feel like Micheal Jackson :) ) :) )

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    I am currently watching this program.. The commentary before the debate makes it clear that Rahul is a total and utter failure.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I want to ask Vinod why is Sachin Pilot not capable of being PM of India?

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    shan Reply:

    Rajeev, at the end of the day it is the market decides which product is good , not reviews in media of all sorts. Rahul gandhi has a telegenic face (MOST IMPORTANT IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF SOUNDBITES AND IMAGE), girls like him , intellectually he may be feeble , then we had
    Choudhari Charan Singh as PM in the past. at least he has a modern outlook , far better than pravin togadia et al.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sachin Pilot is probably comparable to Rahul on all parameters and in fact exceeds him on several point. On top of that he comes from Backward class, so according to me he is better PM material then rest of the dynasts.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Sachin is the son of a very dear friend of mine whom we lost early —- Rajesh Pilot.I will be too happy to see him or any other young leader as PM. I sincerely believe that we need to give the benefit of doubt to all young leaders — regardless of which Party they belong.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    I believe in healthy competition. The congress party should project its all young dynamic leaders as potential PM and let the best among them win.

    Rahul Gandhi has to understand that his father failed as PM because he was not brilliant enough and same thing can happen to him.

    He should step back and let better leaders take over.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    In IBN debate, Vinod and Jha started as neutral but at the end of the debate both veered towards the congress position. Did they get a note from congress party during the debate? Jha called govt. directionless first and then went on to say govt. is doing a great job.

    India is full of paid journos..sharma included.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Why don’t you move a RTI to find out how rich I am? Pl learn to respect views that are different from yours. Or else I will continue to ignore your comments. Is it fair to call somebody a paid journo just because his views are unpalatable? I ask others on this blog to judge.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    When I say paid, it doesn’t mean MONEY only. Even Chandan Mitra is paid journo (RS seat) and you too fall in same category due to your post in minority commission.

    I just want you to be either neutral in your views or come out openly as pro-congress journalist. I have never seen you taking any position that is opposed to congress? May I ask why?

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  • http://www.astrology.com Classified

    I will support this Lok Paul bill. Many person don’t pay relevant tax. So We can support this bill and to reduce the corruption.
    —————————-
    Narayan

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  • http://www.bseindia.com Classifides

    Yes it is right. Lokpal bill is the good for country. PM has to kept the lokpal bill.Did they get a note from congress party during the debate? Jha called govt. directionless first and then went on to say govt. is doing a great job.
    ——————
    Arrow

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  • http://www.radiff.com Hindu Blog

    Did they get a note from congress party during the debate? Jha called govt. directionless first and then went on to say govt. is doing a great job.
    ———————–
    sujatha

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  • Atul8

    Sujata,

    I am as surprised as you are about this revelation. One would have expected the usual witch hunt post election loss, and that is what the TV media is alluding to in their pronouncements.

    Having said that, the seniors in Congress can no longer work on surrogate relationships with the masses. Amethi & Rae Bariely are examples of how the name no longer has that pull. Almost like a zero balance in a prepaid connection.

    The first family will have to roll up their sleeves and earn that name all over again, and this time, make it their own.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    Prophecy when it is a noun, Sujataji, prophesy when it is a verb.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    There is not enough time left to work out in the gym, to strengthen the calf muscles. Better to stitch up sensible alliances, which is what brought the Congress to power in 2004, after eight years in the wilderness. With the benefit of 225-28 hindsight, would it have been such a bad idea to have forged an honorable pre-election alliance with the SP for UP and then taken them on board at the Centre ? It may be the Ekla Chalo Re crowd that is smoking the lethal stuff.

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  • Kumars1

    Amazing! Sujatha is hinting the results are actually good for Congress from 2014 angle! That is presuming other parties will stand still and wait for the first family’s orders. These Congi sycophants/journalists take amazing twists and turns to try to please their masters.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5TH32LS67LS5PGDOANXJAKKCQE kg

    no more PM from UP. They are casteist and most corrupt. India need PM who bring reforms. who does not consider caste as a political strategy. None from UP will do that.

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  • Anonymous

    Terrible choice for PM. UP has produced only PM’s interested in promoting Casteist policies, cronyism (Gandhi family), and totally corrupt people barring Vajpayee.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/prakashjaiswal.401 Prakash Jaiswal
  • Parmanu

    The TV show argument is interesting. Yes, we can learn much more about animals from a well-crafted documentary than a visit to a zoo. But this can’t be the only reason to visit a zoo; we do so because the visit is also a social experience, like going to the cinemas, to a game, or to a concert. I may be able to watch all the movies at home, but I’d still want to go to the cinemas.

    Zoos will go out of existence if they become socially unacceptable or uninteresting. And I do not see anything that’s taking us in that direction.

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  • Kushal

    I’ve read The help and everything by Eva Ibbotson, but thanks for the Patrick Rothfuss tip, Masha. I’ve just read SO much crime fiction for SO long that it feels like my brain is stuck. I need something new.

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  • Kushal

    Not any more I’m not, Kanika. :(

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  • Kushal

    I’ve been contemplating Eating Animals, Mohit, but never been sure enough to start it. Let me know if it’s worth it please?

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  • Anonymous

    U mite hav probably read these. .stil suggesting. . One hundred years of solitude,Fountainhead. .

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  • Surendra Chowdhry

    The unity of India got fragmented the day India got Independence. During the period of struggle for independence India ignored that a common language would have been a string for all to cling on, but it stayed busy to end the Empire. Jawahar Lal Nehru realised this at the very early stages of Independent India and pushed the philosophy of three language formula,with Hindi being the main string, which died at very early stages. The reason, the politics had already started playing a part in creating a new India. The traits of divide and rule which the Empire successfully translated into an Industry, got cloned by the Indian politicians, hungry to conquere and rule. Knowing fully well that the division strategy the Empire established was to rule, whereas the new Indian politicians were in such a hurry that they conveniently forgot that they were suppose to serve India and very soon were engulfed to rule India. They realised that more they become instrumental to divide India more they will be able to rule. Back in their minds they always had an immortal idea and attitude of running Kingdoms and dynasties. India being fragmented the days of Bharat when it had 300 Kingdoms, the “genes” filtered through the Moghal days and Imperial era. Over half a millenium of foreign rule could not eradicate the fragmentation, understanding well that this was a tool to rule and not to serve. Modern India knowing fully well the disastrous outcomes to follow this formula got hung over and the hunger to rule created linguistic states which in turn helped create dynasties. The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty (Poor Mahatma, his name is linked without having any link), Shiekh Abdullah dynasty, Chautala dynasty, Laalu dynasty, Mulayam Singh dynasty, Badal dynasty and many more to come……..

    What India needs, apart from lots and lots reforms, a will to remove all the borders of all the states and divide the country in straight lines like USA and Australia, not giving them any lingual names, just generic names. A common single language to create a single string for everybody to latch on………

    I donot think that will happen because our “genes” have not been reformed and we have to end up to create 300 Kingdoms. An opportunity for a foreigner to once again invade India and to rule India. I don’t think it had been a bad Idea to be ruled by Mughals and the British. I rest my case…..

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    balaji Reply:

    note more important aspects also :—- less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of any nation………..

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    balaji Reply:

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :—-

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………………………..

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    Sam Reply:

    Your assessment is mostly correct. I just disagree with your your last statement.

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  • balaji

    non-functioning of any nation :–
    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system of any nation :—-
    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

    [Reply]

  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :—-

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

    [Reply]

  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :———

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

    [Reply]

  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :————–

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

    [Reply]

  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :——————-

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

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  • Dr Mishra

    good question Dr Pankaj

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks.

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    engricn Reply:

    minority like brhmns of india.hiding among hindus but keeping their identity entact.

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  • Anonymous

    AMU was the focal point of Pakistan movement. It should have been closed down in 1947.

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    engrich Reply:

    pakistan was british plan.

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    Akhtar Arif Reply:

    Hey education institution ……….. is not closed. its the symbol of education and root of dessipation of knowledge. Both muslims, hindus and all are imparted education here. The first graduate of AMU was a hindu. Only idiot with biased views will have such opinion.

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  • http://twitter.com/rahulgrover88 CArahulgrover88

    what is the minority status , aint amu has majority muslims students?

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  • kanishka

    Here is the standard response to all your rantings:

    “We would have listened to your sob-stories if Muslims were facing
    problems only in India. But your folks seem to be having problems throughout
    the world including in your own Muslim Ummah where the Shias and Sunnis have
    been at each other’s throats for the last 1400 years now! There is not a single point of
    time in the Islamic History when the religion of PEACE was ever at peace either
    with the non-muslims or even with fellow Muslims (from rival sects)! Your
    death-cult has proven to be a thorn in everyone’s rear. Will Aligarh Univ ever work for peace? No Never.

    Ever heard of this
    saying:

    “When in
    minority, blow up the KAFIRS; when in majority, blow up the FAKIRS”
    or

    “When in minority, blow up the infidels; when in majority, blow up each
    other”?”

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    Akhtar Arif Reply:

    Muslims are facing problems in iraq…… after fake charges of WMDs and subsequent war…………killing 8 million iraqis by sanctions on essential items and wars of colonisation for oil. Its shameful demoncratic world barking…….. on mind control media as the war in iraq as war of terror but they are creating terrror. Shame on imperialistic alliance craving for OIL and energy dependency killing innocents. Saddam was a ruthless dictator but he was killed to be replaced by puppet regime and divide sectarian division of muslims. Afghanistan had banned OPIUM smuggling in 1996 so by 2001 after false flag 9/11 the supply of illegal opium drugs were not in market so the US attacked them in the name of extremist ideology. About 100,000 people die avoidably from opiate drug-related causes each year. The US Alliance restored the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry from 6% of world market share in 2001 to over 90% today. It can accordingly be estimated that about 0.1 million people per year x 0.9 x 9 years = 0.8 million people have died globally due to US Alliance restoration of the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry, this including about 100,000 Americans and 3,000 Australians. Shame on people following blindly the western news and media without intellectual analysation.

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    Akhtar Arif Reply:

    Muslims are facing problems in iraq…… after fake charges of WMDs and subsequent war…………killing 8 million iraqis by sanctions on essential items and wars of colonisation for oil. Its shameful demoncratic world barking…….. on mind control media as the war in iraq as war of terror but they are creating terrror. Shame on imperialistic alliance craving for OIL and energy dependency killing innocents. Saddam was a ruthless dictator but he was killed to be replaced by puppet regime and divide sectarian division of muslims. Afghanistan had banned OPIUM smuggling in 1996 so by 2001 after false flag 9/11 the supply of illegal opium drugs were not in market so the US attacked them in the name of extremist ideology. About 100,000 people die avoidably from opiate drug-related causes each year. The US Alliance restored the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry from 6% of world market share in 2001 to over 90% today. It can accordingly be estimated that about 0.1 million people per year x 0.9 x 9 years = 0.8 million people have died globally due to US Alliance restoration of the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry, this including about 100,000 Americans and 3,000 Australians. Shame on people following blindly the western news and media without intellectual analysation.

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    Akhtar Arif Reply:

    `Hinduism’, JAWAHARLAL NEHRU said in

    his “THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA” (Page 37):

    “HINDUISM as a faith is vague, amorphous, many sided, all things

    to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say

    definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense of the

    word. In its present form, and even in the past, it embraces many

    beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often

    opposed to or contradicting each other.”

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    Akhtar Arif Reply:

    `Hinduism’ is merely a legalised form of slavery to the Brahmin race. It is not a religion, but a cancer and a disease that must be fought at all costs if this world is to survive. The plagues of Nazism and Totalitarianism, which have claimed more than 200 million lives this century alone, have their roots in Brahmanism, the former having been originated by Pandit Manu, and the latter by Pandit Kautilya. The death and destruction, the sheer human misery caused by Huinduism has already exceeded that which would be caused by a full-scale nuclear holocaust. The Ramayana and the Mahabharat are no doubt GREAT stories, but they are also stories that belong to India’s ancient past. We
    cannot scientifically or factually prove the authenticity of these tales, and as such, we cannot accept Hinduism as a religion. Religion is a “man to God” relationship and not a “man to man” relationship. To reach God, treating fellow human beings with love, justice and equal rights is a duty upon the believer. Most religions preach these ideals. Unfortunately Hinduism, which originated from the Brahmins, preaches that to reach your God you should not treat them with justice or give them equal rights. On the other hand Hinduism teaches a man how to cheat and enslave people in the name of “Religion”. With this technique, 5% (Brahmins) of India’s population have control over 95% of its people.

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    Akhtar Arif Reply:

    `Hinduism’ is merely a legalised form of slavery to the Brahmin race. It is not a religion, but a cancer and a disease that must be fought at all costs if this world is to survive. The plagues of Nazism and Totalitarianism, which have claimed more than 200 million lives this century alone, have their roots in Brahmanism, the former having been originated by Pandit Manu, and the latter by Pandit Kautilya. The death and destruction, the sheer human misery caused by Huinduism has already exceeded that which would be caused by a full-scale nuclear holocaust. The Ramayana and the Mahabharat are no doubt GREAT stories, but they are also stories that belong to India’s ancient past. We
    cannot scientifically or factually prove the authenticity of these tales, and as such, we cannot accept Hinduism as a religion. Religion is a “man to God” relationship and not a “man to man” relationship. To reach God, treating fellow human beings with love, justice and equal rights is a duty upon the believer. Most religions preach these ideals. Unfortunately Hinduism, which originated from the Brahmins, preaches that to reach your God you should not treat them with justice or give them equal rights. On the other hand Hinduism teaches a man how to cheat and enslave people in the name of “Religion”. With this technique, 5% (Brahmins) of India’s population have control over 95% of its people.

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  • Nirode Mohanty

    That University should be named as Aligarh University. It was created just to have Muslim Identity and to create Pakistan. It is serving the hard core radicals. Indian tax payers money should not support it.No place for communalism please. Ms. Gandhi be a true national, do not buy their votes

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  • Rana

    How about a blog that critiques radicalism in Islam written from the perspective of a free-thinking, liberal muslim. There aren’t too many of the latter and so your blog could be a good starting point for it. Then you are self-reflexive about the flaws within your own religion as you are about the majority’s so called “oppressive” rule.

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    Faulitics Reply:

    Zia is not a liberal or a free thinker. He sounds pretty communal to me.

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  • Rahul chodo

    Please this Zeehadi jurnalist Zia always pick and choose the subject which would lies about the Muslim status in India in the light of paid justice Sacchar report. I think Hindu majority India certain pockets Hindus are the most sufferers economically and financially and it has been kept that way because Congress party headed by Sonia Maino is a avid Hindu hater and she spent all the dole out social scheme targeting only the upliftment of the Muslim with Saccahr report which Con party already made it by paying handsome amount to justice scahhar. Now some shoul ask this Zeehadi journalist Mr.Zia to describe the minority status of the Hindus in Paksitan or may be the whole 53 Islamic nation. What the status of the non_Muslim? Hindus? Please tell the truth. If you can’t then majority Hindus have every right to kick your ugly face back to Pakistan. That is the only reason these corrupt Muslim alwsyas prefer Congress in power even at the cost of the present scams and the loot. Because these selfish Muslim knew about their barbaric genocide of the Hindus and they did not want to take any chance in supporting any other party rather than Congress.

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  • momn doter

    You are a muslim, what’s with Sir Sayyed Ahmed Khan and Gandhi.

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  • Faulitics

    Another boring article on a boring topic when there are so many interesting “Muslim” topics for this “Muslim affairs” writer.

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  • Faulitics

    Seconding Rajeev’s point, here is one fact about this wonderful place which Zia left out. Maybe he “forgot”. From Wikipedia

    -Before 1939, faculty and students supported an all-India nationalist movement. After 1939, political sentiment shifted toward support for a Muslim separatist movement. Students and faculty mobilised behind Mohammed Ali Jinnah and the Muslim League hence became an epicentre of Pakistan Movement

    So it was a hub of anti India and communal Islamist forces even back in 1947. Zia didn’t say if things changed in 2013 or its still the same.

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    engricn Reply:

    all because of high caste hindu support to british robbers and occupiers.

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  • indian

    shaala shuorer baccha

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  • Debasish

    Why should we have a Aligarh Muslim University or a Banaras Hindu University is a secular nation? Why should we talk about “minority” status for a university in a secular nation? Why can’t we rise above religion? Zia – you were seeking the answer to the question “Am I a Muslim first or an Indian first?”. From your posts, the readers definitely know the answer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    AMU divided the nation whereas BHU has not. There is the difference. Don’t try to get certificate of secularism from communal muslims.

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    engrich Reply:

    both have divided india and sodiety.pakistan was result of british plan.generally muslims were against it.

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  • PS!

    India is secular only because India has a Hindu majority. In those pockets where Muslims are in majority, we know exactly the kind of ‘tehzeeb’ that is being heaped on non-muslim populations. The same Indian people, if converted to the Muslim faith, will behave like Pakistanis, Bangladeshis etc. Articles 29 & 30 are NOT required in a Hindu country AND, they will be erased in letter & spirit in a Muslim country/ dominated area within India. Look at Kashmir, parts of Kerala, UP, West Bengal, Bihar, Hyderabad and one can realize the truth for oneself.

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    engricn Reply:

    India is secular only because India has a Hindu majority

    hinduism is not religion

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