Partners in sleaze



Political parties talk the same lingo, dish out identical arguments and almost invariably cite political compulsions to explain graft and continuation of tainted leaders in high offices. Take the case of A Raja and Y S Yeddyurappa. The explanation the PM gave for failing to act on time against the discredited Telecom Minister were no different from Nitin Gadkari’s statement in response to Sushma Swaraj’s frontal attack on Arun Jaitley to counter the popular perception that she patronized Karnataka’s infamous yet powerful Reddy brothers whose mining syndicate functions as the state’s super cabinet.

What Gadkari broadly said was that the Reddys were ministers because of the party, not any individual. Self-indicting though, the statement was, in relative terms, less embarrassing than his shocking defense earlier of Yeddy’s land grab that he termed as “morally wrong but legally right.”

If Manmohan Singh helplessly allowed Raja (a chosen man of Karunanidhi) to continue in his council of ministers, Yeddy was forced to drop in the interregnum his favourite minister Shobha Karandlaje (who’s since back), withdraw duty on iron ore and reinstate officers he transferred against the wishes of the Reddy clan. It was a clear case of breakdown of the constitutional machinery, what with the CM becoming an appendage of the de facto power center and forced to act at its behest rather than his own volition.

One need not go into the internal BJP rebellion against Yeddy, the disqualification of anti-Yeddy MLAs and their home-coming in the aftermath of the recent Supreme Court judgment that held void the Assembly speaker’s action aimed at saving the BJP regime. The Congress has let Yeddy be not out of any love for democracy. Its hands are tied for lack of a majority in the Rajya Sabha where any use of Article 356 has to be ratified.

Myriad inquiries including those overseen by the highest court are currently underway into the Reddy mining business and its tentacles in Andhra Pradesh. Speculation is that the genesis of Sushma’s outburst against Jaitley lay in these probes. There is also another set of rumors doing the rounds about three BJP leaders and their proximity to a corporate honcho jailed in the 2G scam. Of the threesome, at least one could have real problems explaining his business/professional ties with the accused.

I suspect that sooner than later, the Congress and the BJP might be in another whirlpool of controversies over sleaze, kickbacks and questionable contacts. The CWG scam hasn’t seen the last of it with the imprisonment of Suresh Kalmadi and some games officials. Many other big names could come under a cloud in shoddy yet expensively executed CWG projects.

The list of the accused in the Adarsh scam must also get longer with at least one Central minister becoming a casualty. What awaits the country is a mass funeral of political reputations. With Kanimozhi already behind bars, the fires might engulf high-profile siblings across party lines.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Any one seeing connection between Balwa, karim Noorani and shahrukh khan. Morani was defended by shahrukh in dubai vis a vis Amitabh. where from these balwas and Moranis have got so much money to play aroound? Daud Ibrahims money? in the hands of some spohisticatd looking hands in connivance with politicians??
    khatra!!!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I have never heard any male khan’s (SRK-Aamir-Salman) and female Khans (Saif etc.) getting threats from underworld…Why??

    By the way SRK is closely linked with Congress?

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    shan Reply:

    SRK is closely linked with “pakistan lobby” in bollywood, which includes sajid khan , farah khan , . that is why in the film Mai Hu Na , indians are war monger , pakis are the doves. The same reason Abhijeet never again sang for SRK after he said all the pakistani singers in India are suspect. or we have much better singers in India

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    Amit Reply:

    SRK linked with pakistan lobby and Conggies gandhis and shukla’s/ So he in fact is bridge between pakistan and conggies.
    aur bhonkta hai ki pakistani khiladiyon ko lo.
    Hun indians ne hi iase deshdrohi ko upar uthaya. neeche bhi girayenge

    Daisy Boy Reply:

    Look, I have no love for any Bollywoood personalities. However, it would do no good if you try to trivialise these scandals by baselessly accusing Shahrukh, Sajid or Farah of ****-love, only because they have successfully protrayed their humanitarian ideas on celluloid. Hatred mongering would only leave a sour taste in the mouth, without achieving any concrete results. Shahrukh is friends with Morani – but it is only and only Morani’s fault if he has played any role in the transfer of funds to Kanimodhi’s TV channel in the false hope that he would pocket the commission and would never be caught. Shahrukh or others have nothing to do with it – by the way KKR is owned by SRK, Juhi Chawla and her husband Ved Mehta – SRK hogs the publicity owing to his superstar status whereas the major shares are of Juhi & Mehta.

    Observer Reply:

    SRK is good person. I normally do not watch Hindi movies, but I did his movie “MY name is Khan”, which shows he is nationalist. But Pakistani fanatics such as Saed Naqvi of DAWN do not like him because to them he did not criticized Hindus.

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    shan Reply:

    The same person(SRK) who shares a physical attribute with Observer , was MUTE AFTER 26/11, WHEN PREVOKED MUTTERED”I dont know what to say”
    another from pakistan lobby Javed jaffrey , son of comedian jagdeep , said after 26/11
    WE SHOULD TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEM(This is on reord in NDTV LIVE BROADCAST on the 27/11)

    VENKY Reply:

    100 % right buddy, but D hasStrong political backing in Mahrastra also

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Daisy Boy;
    So far you are sounding reasonable. SRK is not being singled out for being Muslim. we have many muslim personalities, who are a better person than an average indian, this includes people from films in yester years. But Morani and his defence by Shahrukh is sinister. Afterall you are dealing with Amitabh and Shahrukh is no body in front of him, except he has 10 janpath support.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vinod Sharma,
    Why don’t you update us on Bhushan’s CD?

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    kk Reply:

    i am busy licking congress’ ***

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  • Pankaj#1

    Defence delegation of Pakistan has 4 military persons, two civilians. Indian delegation has only one military person. defence secretary of pakistan is retired Lt. General while indian is a career diplomate.
    Is there any name, which can be coined for pakistani version of democracy??. quasi democracy, sham democracy, they sound so passe`.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    you can call it demolitioncracy. They are on the verge of demolishing the world with their nukes.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ha Ha.
    Would like to recommend it to Oxford dictionary.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    The BJP had to join hands with Shibu Soren in Jharkhand.
    For the same reason they joined hands with Deve Gowda and his son, who were partners in a government headed by the congress. The congress still casts love-filled looks towards the Gowdas, with the hope of regaining their jageer.

    The Gowdas betrayed the BJP and the people threw them out in the elections.
    The BJP has in Yeddyurappa a mass leader who has shown unsuspected skills in trumping all the veterans of the congress, and has caused the disgrace and downfall of the Gowdas. He has single-handedly brought the powerful community of Lingayats (Shaivites) tot the BJP fold delinking them from the congress party’s age-old connections.

    Therefore, in Karnataka, the BJP needs Yeddy more than vice versa.

    As yet, there is no charge sheet in any court against him and the Lokayukta is only now coming out with its report on the mining scams, which have been going on in the state for the last fifty years, mostly under congress patronage.

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  • Ravi

    Maa log sun rahen hain aisy kahani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Yeh humari tumhari katha nahin hai,
    Yeh hai 72 akshat yoniyon ki kahani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Gandhi jisme hai ek barda durjan
    Yahan Modi ki hoti hai bahut mehmani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Pankaj aapni auqaat ko bhool kar
    Ab piney laga hai motaralay ka pani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Jisme sach ho bilkul avartman
    Yes ek aisi hi hai, Shan-dar kahani.
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    I before E ka hota hai kahan prayog ?
    Bas aisy hi hai ek purpaench preshani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Ley hi aate unke Annu bumb jheen kar
    Arsh ke udhar hoti kaash aanpi dhikani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Halaat aapne to sudhar hi jaate
    Agar na hoti musalmanon ki pareshani
    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

    Ho na Tajender jahan maujood
    Ravi ki hogi kaya kadardani

    Isme Shinoy hai raja aur Vijay hai rani

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “Pankaj aapni auqaat ko bhool kar
    Ab piney laga hai motaralay ka pani”

    Typical pakistani insult for Hindus….Need more proof????

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Never needed it man, just for a day or two, took the chap on his word/ facevalue.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    There value in this blog is same as their value in world. To increase the number. By the way, people who were missing them, your wish is fulfilled. People can also have a peep into rabid islamists brain.

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Ravi – Diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of the ideas

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Seems ****-endar the fake has sodomised ur brain… :D

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    To your one liner; A thing of beauty is joy for ever, I would like to add, a boy at heart is boy for ever. ha Ha
    By the way, we can discuss further, fragmentation of pakistan.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    :D At the end of the day we are still boys… and boys will be boys :D

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  • http://- Rajeev

    “Partners in sleaze”

    True… :) Amar-Diggi-Vinod..

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    Saarthak Reply:

    Heartily agree with your highlighting the real partnership. I’m already sick with this pathetic media game. Instead of questioning the Congress on corruption and its policies, we’re told “All politicians are bad..because….[Put a yeddy here or there]… therefore we shouldn’t be too harsh on the Congress”

    None of the known Congress media houses are questioning the absurdly drafted NAC Communal Bill (Yes, I would like to call it the communal bill because it has ;divide and rule’ written all over it)

    Will Mr Vinod Sharma answer why does NAC – an extra constitutional authority wield so much power? If NAC is going to draft bills for us, why did we elect a Parliament? I’m sure so called journalists like you would have gone hyper if RSS was outsourced the task of drafting bills during the NDA’s term at the centre.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Sh…..sh…sh…..sh…..

    Saarthak, Just when 10 Janpath was about to give a call to Vinodji to come and adore the seat vacated by Bibek Debroy, you are trying to spoil his chances by calling NAC unconstitutional etc. At the most you can call it No Accountability Council. Extra-constitutional? No.. not by a long yard.

    NAC has been packed with people who are said to be non-political, but the moment they get their chair in the NAC, they become the most rabid politicos.Ex: Farah Naqvi, Harsh Mander

    Sonia Gandhi has also appointed some of the other extremely controversial persons to various statutory bodies. Ex: Binayak Sen to the Planning Commission, John Dayal, one of the most rabid anti-Hindu Christian, to the National Integration etc. Binayak Sen is convicted by the trial court and confirmed by High Court for his anti-national and seditious activities on behalf of the Maoists.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    TWO INDIAS

    I grew up in a defence atmosphere, Dad was in the forces. If we were invited for dinner at 8 pm, we would be there by 5 to 8. The defence areas were clean, there was a rule of law. At least then, there was minimal corruption in the forces.
    But the moment we stepped out, IT WAS THE SECOND INDIA. I absolutely detested the spitting, the dirt and the corruption- at every bloody level. You apply for a train ticket, for children’s admission to a school, for admission to a hospital- everything.
    It entered our social DNA. If you could stealing became the norm. And as long as you were investing it for your family and not blowing it on mistresses and Ferrari, you were ignored by society. Even praised.
    Then India changed at breakneck speed. Megamoney started flying around, but ppl forgot about that faulty social gene. So now the 50 rs bribe at the rly platform became 50 crores somewhere else.
    ———————————-
    So, Vinod ji, how about EXPANDING THE OTHER INDIA, how about mandatory 3 years in the Army or Navy for all men after college. A bit of discipline, a bit of danda, to treat corruption at the root

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    any takers ?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    Kah to theek rahen hain, magar dar hai ki, kajal ki kothri se fauj main bhi daag na lag jaye.

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    shan Reply:

    Any Takers , NO.
    Ignorant people make childish remark.
    As much the corruption is a cancer that needs to be dealt with utmost priority , that on its own will not lift the masses out of the poverty. Even if all the kickbacks are collected and distributed to the BPL families , will not make a great deal of difference , BECAUSE THEY NUMBER 5OO LAKHS. This is ABC of economics , land and people ratio. America three times the size of India , one fifth the population. ALSO MASSIVE ECONOMICALLY USELESS DEFENCE BUDGET COURTSEY OF FUCKISTAN. And there is general all round economic incompetence courtsey of the legacy of LICENSE RAJ (2G license in the same tradition)
    The agriculture is stone age , a little statistics (in contrast to wild non taxable remarks)
    Wheat yield in India is 2.5 ton /hectare , in UK 8 ton /hectare. WAKEY WAKEY

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Dr Mishra
    Conscription has been debated a lot in the past in India. It did not find many takers because we fancy ourselves more as a soft power than as a military power— a legacy of the Mahatma who preached no violence. But we have in India a territorial army with which young people have been associating— but only in trickles. I agree that we need a force of young and disciplined Indians in every walk of life. That culture has to be built at community level, in schools, colleges, workplaces and above all, at home under parental guidance. .

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    shan Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma, rather than those grand schemes , how about abolishing caste or if you kindly reflect on thenews yesterday on NDTV, from tamil nadu , how a dalit boy with his sister was beaten brutally by the BRAMHIN priest in the temple, their crime , they are dalits.
    They went there to offer puja after having passed the secondary exam
    Your cosiness with panditji , invites the line BIRDS OF FEATHER(BRAMHIN , RAW SEWAGE OF HELL) FLOCK TOGETHER.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Sharma Ji.

    I 100% agree with SHAN, in terms of abolition of Caste System, the deepest fault line in our religion.

    However, the point I wish to make here is that Tajender – whom your are in the process of banning – expresses in his own way – sentiments very similar tho these.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shan
    I am against caste that sustains the brahminical order. That is why I oppose the BJP at the risk of being called a Congress sympathiser. The BJP is a brahiminical party which treats Brahmins like me who are opposed to it, like the Muslim League treated Maulana Azad.
    Now you’d know why I have so many bhagwas seeking to character assassinate me on this site. But I aren’t worried. I am a punjabi first.
    Cheers

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Ji

    I suspected as much.

    The bhagwas will have some more opposition now.

    Vinod Ji, do not ban any one. Banning is not conducive to a good constructive debate.

    Observer Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    BJP has more OBC, Tribal and other non-privileged caste chief ministers than any other parties. One reason many of you guys in media are opposed to Modi is because he is OBC.

    In pre-partition India in UP there was a Muslim song: ” Ek Jamana Ayega Jo Bamman Bakre Palega”

    I think all these CQ Brahmins perfectly fit that description, as most of them, Like Nehru, also eat non-vegetarian food. So they would not be keeping goats, not for milk like Gandhi, but for meat. So I like the terminology Bakrivala Bammanto describe staunch CQ Brahmins.

    Observer Reply:

    @Shan,

    As you are Pakistani, you are trying to divide Hindus along caste lines to destroy them, but it will not work. We fully understand your game and we will not divide ourselves to let you win. Hindu civil war, if at all , start it will be only after Pakistan is in grave. Now leave your Bengali and Hindu facade as you are exposed. Now find new name and identity.

    shan Reply:

    @Observer and enjoyer of Gujrat progrom , NO MY FO RE SKIN is Intact UNLIKE YOURS , I LOVE MY BACON SANDWICH , AND I THINK MUHAMMAD WAS A SEX MANIAC,and your going ga ga about mia nawaz sharif proves beyond a shred of doubt that you are a LOW CASTE CONVERT which in your country pakistan is known as mohajir.

    Rajeev Reply:

    “So, Vinod ji, how about EXPANDING THE OTHER INDIA, how about mandatory 3 years in the Army or Navy for all men after college.”

    What a joke..A freeloader pundit suggesting this to another freeloader pundit.

    Sorry…but I can’t control my laugh… :)

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Arrey bhai hum to dhood petey yadav hain …..ha ha ha….trash can opens again

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “Arrey bhai hum to dhood petey yadav hain”

    Speaks volumes about your casteist brahmin brain.. :)

    Why the way, are you done giving BJ to Amar Singh (thakur)?

  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Waited for your comments about balkanization of pakistan. Balochistan will attain independence sooner or later, with or without help from India. Gwadar port should not remain with pakistan and as an extension should not go to China. West will help India in this matter.
    After Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, should be figured out. Some body said, lot of pakhtoons are in high position in pakistan Army and they will not help this idea. I say it is wrong. They will help here, precisely for the same reason, as Islamist tried to separate from India. They wanted to have plum jobs, Lands and businesses of hindus. In Pakistan, pakhtoons, may be in good positions, but in Pakistan, they will never be in the top positions. Punjabis will always have an upper hand. Show them the innumerable possibilities of this idea, and with American/Indian/Saudi help, they can have a unified Afhanistan. Unified Afghanistan’s demand was never abondoned, even by Talibans. Stoke this fire and have rich dividends. Sindh is next. Altaf is amenable, required only to stoke his love for land of his forefathers. Any way, he is quite disillusioned with present pakistan. Zardari is billi ka, find some better Sindhi and show him the right path.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Good strategy. Altaf bhai is an India lover. Let us project him as the next Pakistan i PM :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    So the Balauch’s want independence.

    So do:

    Berbers in the south of Morocco.

    The Basques in Northern Spain.

    The Africans in Darfur

    Quebeconians in Canada

    The list is endless.

    I hope you are not hoping that fragmentation of Pakistan is imminent and when it happens it will solve all of India’s problems.

    I did say you were a man of letters, didn’t I ??

    I think Tajender sums up your stance rather more elegantly than I ever could.

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    Daisy Boy Reply:

    Balkanize Pakistan – and incorporate them all in India some time in the future for an Akhand Bharat. Right now, the Pakistani tactics (no strategy – they never had any) seem to be succeeding in bringing down the US from its high moral ground and forcing it to do business with Mulla Barader & the Taliban. Once they succeed in making the US leave, if at all it is serious in making a retreat, then the Pakistanis would turn their attention towards Balochistan – so Balochistan needs to be cut-off before the US leaves.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Daisy Boy;
    sorry, I do not want any part of pakistan to be incorporated in India. A friendly balochistan is good enough for me. But Pakistan should know, that it is walking on very thin ice.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Bulandshahar and Khurja ke yateemo.
    Hosh main Aao. Your future is very bleak.

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  • Pankaj#1

    mishraji;
    You mentioned Untouchables(Tajinder).
    do you remember, eliot Ness( Kevin Costner), Robert De nero, Sean Connary?
    Yes, I want that team. law is supreme. let us work towards that end. To hell with vote bank politics.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ EWveryone

    EEEEEEEEKSSS Fake Tajendar the TUR-D is climbing out of the WC again !! :D :D

    Let’s flush him…. whooosh!!!

    He now flows into the sewer called Pak-shit-stan !! :D :D

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  • Bhaskar Chatterjee

    Let me ask Vinod Sharma what is the charge against Yeddurappa? Any commission, judicial or otherwise, constitutional body passed strictures against Yeddurappa?

    Answer is NO. But Yeddurappa has to be bashed to give clean chit to huge huge corruption like 2G, CWG.

    He has denotified land in name of his son? Very good, then show us which Congress CM hasnt done that in Karnataka or elsewhere.

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  • Kushagra

    @Ravi – Diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of the ideas.

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  • Kushagra

    @ Pakinder – Enough for today, go back to your cage now.

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  • Kushagra

    @Mr. Sharma

    In this blog you quote “If Manmohan Singh helplessly allowed Raja …..”

    For helpness of Prime Minister are you sympathetic towards him?

    Isn’t ‘helpness’ of Prime Minister – the most important and powerful office holder a matter of national shame?

    If the Prime Minister is helpless then doesn’t it beg a question of having a more politically strong and clever candidate as Prime Minister?

    If a helpless PM is still the best man for the job then don’t you think its the misfortune of people of India the best man for the job is actually helpless?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Kushagra

    I accept your insult with grace. Thank you.

    Now let me address the question you pose in a naive and clumsy manner.

    One has to separate the Role of Prime Minister from the Person performing that Role.

    The strength of the Role of Prime Minister is entirely dependent upon the mandate it firstly receives from the Parliament and secondly indirectly from the Public. A Prime minister with strong majority will behave like a strong Prime Minister and by the same logic a Prime Minister Heading up a weak coalition will behave as a weak Prime minister. Any individual occupying that role will add only a small amount of personal power based upon his/her charisma. MMS may not be the most charismatic PM we have ever had, but he has stabilised India and focused on sustainable economic development.

    When Vinod says “helpless” he is talking about the Real Politic of a weak coalition and not personal weakness of MMS. However, you may wish to read it the other way because it fits into your right wing world view.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    @Ravi – You will only get from me what your opinioins deserve.

    With regards to the questions I posed to Mr. Sharma, in a democracy there can be nothing disgraceful if the authority of Prime Minister is undermined in a manner as this.

    With your lack of comprehension you will only choose to believe what you wish to. However, even a person with a little common sense would understand that I referred to MMS’s weakness to political ability or lack of it and not as a person.

    While you are free to be sympathetic to the PM and brand the ones who question his weakness as right wing, it makes no difference to me.

    In so far as political stability is concerned, Indian democracy has inherent strength to remain stable at all times, its not a special gift from MMS to Indian people.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Kushagra

    You will get back from me, what you dishout plus some ineterst to keep you on your toes.

    Attempts at undermining any Prime Minster’s authority are the role of responsible opposition.

    However, not sure that you are able to grasp that with the tiny closed mind that you have.

    So what political ability does MMS lack. I did not see you specify that.

    As I said his ability to act is directly in proportional to the mandate he has which in turn is based upon parliamentary number.

    The stability I refer to is the one which he has singularly kept in place, by not letting the opposition and corrupt members of his own team destabilise our democracy.

    You were not asking any serious question, you were attempting at cheap point scoring.

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Ravi – Rest assured all your jibes will be responded in kind.

    Yet I will answer your feeble attempts to defend the PM.

    The stability which you referred to is nothing but turning a blind eye towards scoundrals who are looting this country, what political ingenuity do you need in it?

    Give a free reign to all to plunder Indian tax payers’ money and offer a lame excuse of not having appropriate numbers in the parliament for inaction.

    No wonder people with your level of IQ call it as stability!

    Ravi Reply:

    Kushagra

    Jibes, if you look at it, then you will find that you started it and I am responding in kind and adding a bit of interest each time I respond. If you stop it then so would I.

    Your attempt to score points against an able PM was even feebler than my attempt to defend him

    No wonder your kind get rejected by the electorate.

    I will not defend anyone who loots the country. Catch them, try them, if found guilty lock them and throw away the key. But then this is not the same as the Real Politic MMS has to deal with.

    Yes I do call it stability, because the alternative would have been destabilising.

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Ravi, interest will be responded in kind, so keep sending it. I have dealt many of your ilks without much trouble.

    Able PM? Ofcourse, with record breaking corruption charges on his government he will go down in the history as the most abled PM to conceal corruption.

    Your kinds is the reason why corrupt will remain in power under the pretext of stability.

    BTW if you are so sure of this government then why is this government appears so nervous of Anna Hazare’s movement?

    Ravi Reply:

    Kushagra

    Rest assured I am no novice to hectoring, can handle you and your tribe, so bring it on.

    Able PM yes. No corruption charge against him. He is not his brother’s keeper.

    History can wait to judge him. He is still in situ, but then that is what sticks in your gullet as a Hilsa Bone, because you thought he’d be gone by now.

    Fat chance.

    The corrupt need to be dealt with. Why does it have to be at the cost of stability and destroying the institutions? Just look at FIFA.

    All governments are scared of popular movements. I was for Anna. Sadly we do not have an effective opposition so people have taken opposition in their own hand.

    Anna Zindabad.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    One way NRI’s can help in chopping Pakistan into pieces is feeding right wing Christian think tanks which talk about balkanising Pakistan for its own good. Robert Blackwill– former ambassador to India– heads one think tank,

    As we can see from the quality of propganda fake Tejendra and real Moot andar tur-d unleash is absymal.

    Time that we create enough paronia in the world that Pakistan is chipped off– chop — chop — chop ! :D

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  • Kumar

    Sleaze – thy name is UPA-II and even worse are those who try to protect/cover these sleazy scamsters. They all stand xposed and are making desperate attempt to cover-up but seem to forget ‘when in a ditch – stop digging’.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy and Saarthak

    Arre baba can’t you see the truth??

    The Anna Hazare movement has been buetralised for the time being. So it is time to get yeddi out of the bag :D

    Meanwhile Priyamvada Birla’s brother Kashi nath Tapuriah has leaked that Renuka Chowdhary demended diamonds from Hasan Ali. Whle Congress CM Vijay Bhaskar Reddy was linked to him. Now before all this snoballs into a big issue, why should not the Congress focus on the corruption of others??? :D :D

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  • Rizwan

    doc Mishra- yes, this is what is not spoken about enough- the 2 Indias all over. I have a lot of friends in AIIMS and IIT, just to step into their campus is to step into a world of neat houses, tennis corts, swimming pools etc.
    I thinkit is a brill idea dude to conscript everyone into the forces for 2 years.
    ++++++++++++
    Dr Mishra, UK says:
    TWO INDIAS

    I grew up in a defence atmosphere, Dad was in the forces. If we were invited for dinner at 8 pm, we would be there by 5 to 8. The defence areas were clean, there was a rule of law. At least then, there was minimal corruption in the forces.
    But the moment we stepped out, IT WAS THE SECOND INDIA

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  • vaibhav

    Dear Mr Vinod Sharma,

    Unless you render public apology for the tirade against Shanti Bhushan you should be considered a shining example of moral corruption at the editorial level. Next time you should apply editorial mind before believing what the govt wants you to believe

    Regards,
    Vaibhav Srivastava

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vaibhav Srivastava
    I don’t need anybody’s certificate. The story I wrote was written by everybody else and run by every single channel without cross-checking. I gave it my name unlike others, who took to shooting and scooting with a mask on. Is that dishonesty? You may think so, I don’t.
    If it is proved that I got taken for a ride or was wrong in trusting a report, I would most certainly express regret. But that stage hasn’t come as the CD is under probe.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    But you still giving Amar Singh and Diggi massage.

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    vaibhav Reply:

    Mr Sharma,

    You are saying that you also wrote without cross checking and that u were brave enough to give it your name. What kind of professionalism and integrity is this?

    Thanks,
    Vaibhav

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    Dear All,
    After reading this yet another rant against BJP by Vinod Sharma I am reminded of the very apt commentary on him by Swapan Dasgupta on CNN-IBN in Sagarika Ghose show on 30th May :

    This is what Swapan said to Vinod Sharma on his face : “There was a time when people like YOU and Baruah (of India is Indira – Indira is India fame) were Congress presidents.”.

    This one comment aptly sums up Mr. Vinod Sharma’s recent career in reporting.

    Earlier I used to debate with Mr. Sharma where he would protest being labelled a Congress lackey. Now even he dosen’t care to deny anymore. All his pretense of being neutral is gone, at least on TV shows. He goes on about his business with rutheless efficiency.

    Consider his role in the Bushan tapes. Is there a more despicable journalist act than this in recent memory?

    Akhilesh

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Akhilesh
    Personal slander is a weapon the likes of you deploy when you don’t have arguments. I can see from where you are coming. You keep your morality let me keep mine. I am nobody’s intellectual slave. But you quite clearly aren’t your own man as you so dishonestly hide the thrust of the programme you are citing. The discussion was about the BJP— not Baruah or the Congress. And your hero was at his wits end in trying to be nice to all that is saffron.
    Pl go and have a cup of tea with him rather than wasting my time.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Vinodji,
    Vinodji,
    Vinodji,

    I thought you had informed us that tajender, previous names ‘ramavtar’ had been banned for the most insulting and vicious comments regarding the 2611 attacks on Major Unnikrishnan and co.

    I still see him here. Maybe you can explain why? As Pankaj says he suffers from zionitis in the morning and brahminitis in the pm.
    Now this manusmriti **** has resurfaced- is this debate. this killed Zia’s blog

    Sirji, looking forward to hearing from you, or not ?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Balwinder Sandhu
    He is being sorted out. Just wait.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Ji

    I would request that you review your decision.

    Tajender is not the only offender; there are others who have used stronger offensive language. Me included.

    As far as his views and style are concerned, he is entitled to them and has a fundamental right to express them. We live in a democratic world.

    His exclusion, or for that matter any one’s exclusion, will fundamentally impact the very basic fabric of this blog.

    By all means reprimand anyone who uses un-parliamentary language, advise him, coach him.

    But exclusion is against our basic freedoms.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Balwinder

    We are all for the ban. But Moot andar Hussain Tur-d who blogs under the fake name of Tjendar seems to slip in like a tapeworm. His ISI backed agenda is to promote anti-Hindu untruths under a Sikh name as to spread hindu SIkh hatred.

    However the quality of his fulminations and froth shows that the ISI is indeed in hard times and penury to have hired a dunce like him. :D :D Lagta hai ISI Ka fake currency racket fail ho gaya hai.. :D

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Thank you, Vinod ji.
    Whenever we Indians take a strong action, we then get weak and sentimental and there are appeals for- arre yaar, maaf kar do, pee key bahak jaata hai.
    99% of ppl support this ban.
    The 2 main reasons are-
    1. hurling obscenities at Indian gods when indulging in dirty one to ones with Rajeev (who does filthy anti Quran/ prophet abuse himself)

    2. The bigger reason is drowning blogs in loooooooooooooooooong cut and pastes so that posts by Shenoy, Gopi, Vijay, Mishraji, Syed, dR Pankaj, Riswan, Shoeb etc get hidden.
    ——maybe there is a third reason, the posts are 99% schoolboy insults of India. This blog deserves an IQ of at least 100

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    VINODJI, PL ALSO ban him from ALL HT blogs using email address and IP address
    BADI MEHERBANI HOGI

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    I am not sure if you are being CLEAR here.

    1. It was me – Ravi – who in 1:1 with Rajiv used in appropriate language in relation to a Lord Ram. Not Tajender.

    On the basis of the above fact, it seems you are asking for me to be BANNED, you are within your right to do. But please do it CLEARLY.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sorry I meant to say Rajeev and not Rajiv.

    Rajiv, my appology.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Tajender / ramavtar and ravi, both indulge in ugly filthy one to ones with some excitable urchins here- has gone on for months- no more discussion- I want to debate here and not be firewall kotwal

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Ravi

    You and Mr TUR-D the fake Tajendar and the real Moot andar hussain Tur-d should now go for a blissfull honey moon to the peacefull caves of Tora Bora and inflict each other with your talk and propogaanda… :D

    The winner should serve as the information minister for the peace loving Taliban… :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    As soon as the Chamber maid of the Tora Bora hotel has cleaned the Honeymoon suite, wihch is full of coital garabage left there by the previous occupants – the newly weds Raja Shenoy and Rani Vijay – Tajender and I will be only too pleased to grace it.

    We will be happy to read that dyed in saffron YOU has been made the Information Officer for the Hindu Fundo BJP.

    :) , ;) , :) , ~~~~~~~ :) , :) , :)

    So Vijay, here is some advise, ABUSE, any one can dish it out. All it requires is besharmi and an ability to write. I assure you I have both of those in abundance. I am significantly more creative than you, and if I choose to, I can continue an abusive session endlessly.

    Mama and papa are now in their heavenly Sialkot. Na rokene walla hai na tokene walla hai.

    So here is an offer, dont indulge in senseless abuse, or be prepared to ruin this blog.

    The Choice is yours

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ravi,

    the choice has already been made by Vinodji about the fake Ram Auter and faker Ravi, both earlier employed by Osama for cleaning his viagra induced spillage twice daily. Now that Osama has been shot in the eye and killed like a dog, his two employees Ram Fake Auter and Faker Ravi have become unemplyed. Word is out that ISI has employed both of you on a part time basis without pay to spill anti-Hindu verbiage on this blog.

    No more of the Osma-kind of spillage on this blog.

    Ravi, you fake, OUT.

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    Ravi Reply:

    B. V. Shenoy

    This does not suite you. You have a reputation to keep.

    Just keep asking your Rani to wipe your arse.

    Shonoy is a Hindu Fundo who cannot stand being challenged at his own game

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ravo
    U asked for it. The way you snubbed Vijay couldn’t have been acceptable to his eik jaan do jism BV Shenoy. Zindabad zindabad, hai mohabbat zindabad. If only Vijay had a bustline :) )

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    This Rabid islamist, Ravi, Calling others Hindu Fundo. Go back to lahore and shower rose petals on Qadri. Know, seminaries award you degree in abuses. You will be defeated at your own game. You fake.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ravi, which one didn’t you like? The one about your spiritual baap with the viagra or your terror pop with the single bullet shot in the eye?

    Ravi Reply:

    B.V. Shenoy

    The one I did not like had a Walrus Moustache and a very tight Lungoat.

    I think you know which of those is your POP

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    For as long as you pathetic runt is fighting me.

    No worries, bring it on.

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Ravi – Do you really think anybody gives a damn about your threat?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Kushagra

    And who takes a blind bit of notice of what you say.

    Here, NO ONE.

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Ravi – With your IQ and comparable shoe size you have no option but ignore what I say.

    Ravi Reply:

    Kushagra

    For someone whose IQ is in decimal points, this Cliché is the best that could have beeen expected

    Kushagra Reply:

    It pleases me that you at least know how to count. Keep it up! You are learning well but so does a puppy of your age.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ two homos Tajendar Tur-d and Ravi super Tur-d !!

    Both of you don’t need 72…
    you can enjoy 72 positions with each other…
    and then like true Pak-shit-stanis
    hunt google for “camel sex… donkey sex… cockroach sex…”
    and try 72 positions there too

    Ha ha aha :D :D :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Rani, Zara yeh to Suno.

    Being able to lift the Khaki Nikkar of the guy in front and being able to RODGER him is a basic exercise that RSS chalaks teach at the various Shakhas.

    In order to progress, one has to demonstrate a degree of dexterity of climbing a small milking stool and show the mummy cow a good time.

    Good game good game, lets continue.

    :) , :) , :) ~~~~ :) , :) , :)

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    After reading that joke about the Arab being “interviewed” for visa, these two Islamic terrorists are busy scouring google sites for animal sex, one camel two Islamic Ram-Ravi fundos at two ends!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    B.V. Shenoy

    After reading the joke about the HINDU INSIDE TRADERS being interviewed by the FBI, these two Royal Hindu Fundo Couple Shenoy-Vijay were seen at two ends of a cow in a bestiality embrace.

    Two can play this game.

    Good game, good game., lets continue.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Sir the continous love for the Congress for getting a Rjaya Sabha seat is so obvious, so why hide it??

    Say that kkursi ke liye sab kuch karna padta hai…

    Amar singh dalla ka saath bi dena padta hai

    jhoota CD bhi dikhana padta hai

    Rahul ke ull jallool harkaton ko salaam karna padta hai

    Digvijay ke jhoot ko sach batana padta hai…

    Arre bhai kursi ke liye sab lkuch karna padta hai !!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ram Fake Autar aur Faker Ravi ko Pakistani terrorist fundoos hote hue bhi Indian maan ke aadar se apne blog me bulana bhi padta hai. Soon we may hear that these two terrorists are appointed as HT stringers in Pakistan!

    Ravi Reply:

    Raja Ji

    Aaap ne kab bulaya, yeh to hamen yadd nahin,

    Haan, yeh bahut yaad hai ki aapne gali di, P*A*K*I kaha, aur bahar nikal jane ko kaha.

    Jo aadar se bulate hain woh koi aur honge.

    Achha is baat ki khabbar do, ki jo RSS or BJP aap ko paise detain hain un se Aaapne kitne flat bana rakhain hain.

    Shenoy seriously. To be abusive two things are needed. Baysharmi and an ability to write I have both in abundance. You know what I mean, you call me P*A*K*I and I call you Hindu Fundu. Yeh andaz – e – guftagoo kya hai.

    You know what to do.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Your poor attempts to write porno dont amuse anyone. However I suggest you see apsychiatrist for failing in life at the age of 60 and now getting scared that Indians are cooly discussing how to trifurcate Pak-shit-stan :D

    You can relate your poor attempts at porno to hafeez saeed and get a Nishan-e- Pak-shit-stan :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rani Ji

    What about the grotesque porno that you have been dishing out with impunity for years. You think any one other than Raja Ji was impressed by that.

    Lets see who introduced Camel into the conversation, who is fixated on 72 akshat yoniyon. YOU, YOU and YOU

    The day any one can trifurcate Pakistan has not been calendarised as yet but for you

    Dil ke behlane ko Ghalib yeh Khayal achcha hai.

    I for one thinks balkanisation of Pakistan will be more harmful to India than you jingoist can ever comprehend.

    Why should I go to Hafeez Sayed when there are plenty of Naukar, Chakar, Yehkar, Wohkar and Golimarkars available in Nagpur.

    The price keeps going up.

    :) , ;) , :)

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Now back to business- corruption- one of the most radical suggestions that has been made is of CONSCRIPTION- mishraji suggests above- TWO INDIAS
    Completely agree- jab tak chootado pey dandey nahin padte, tabhi Indian thoda line pe aata hai.

    Again at the risk of sounding teacher’s pet, Vinod ji’s comment on Mishraji’s suggestion is spot on- “”"I agree that we need a force of young and disciplined Indians in every walk of life. That culture has to be built at community level, in schools, colleges, workplaces and above all, at home under parental guidance”"”

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    I go to Punjab 2-3 times a year. In our village- fauji door se hi nazar aa jaata hai. Akal ki baat karta hai, looks trim and fit.]
    haan – thoda pita zyaada hai- but then that is punjabi trait hehe- we have big livers

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  • Gopi Thomas

    Mrs Indira Priyadarshini Nehru Gandhi started the ‘modern” corruption in Indian politics – money for elections (I do not think she amassed wealth), coercing IAS/IPS to do the political work, grooming children (ie Sanjay) etc. She destroyed India and its GDP (although she built the atom bomb)

    Now, India is awash in corruption – politicians, bureaucracy you name it.. All parties do it; some may be slightlty better than others; some individuals are clean, while many are not. The huge growth (8% plus) in the alst many years has created so many opportunities for corruption,a nd greedy men (and women) have exploited them.

    Our British-based systems encourage it.

    Man being man, there are four things that are needed to curtail 1) revitalizing systems, making finnacial and bribery crimes severly punishable etc 2) grass roots movement like Anna Hazarika, Achuthanandan 3) an electorate that is aware of these who make the appropriate choices (as they did in the last state elections) and 4) reducung the role of government in commerce and trade and simple aspects of life (like electricity connection, licensing for small business etc) .

    The IAS bureacracy is to be pinned. They are behind all facets of corruption – he is the one who advises politicians how to squeeze money ‘leaglly”, and showing all the opportunities under a “show and share” scheme. And the IAs remains unpunishable, even ministers cnnot sack them

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  • Shoeb K

    Well, things are not that bad !(we are conditioned to look to better days!). An encouraging comment by Nick kristoff, indicating that India will pass over China, and our growth will be sustainable and inclusive, based on his extensive travels and grass roots observation of both places

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/opinion/29kristof.html

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  • Raju Kurien

    Vinod,

    I am not a fan of you. But I do not want to see your blog destroyed by this Pakistani tajender Ram Autar.

    He has sent zia haq packing..He will soon do that to you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Raju

    With all due respect.

    Please can you specify, what is it that Tajender say which could have been responsible for killing Zia’s blog.

    When you condemn a man, then it is important you specify what the issue is.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Raju Kurien
    I appreciate your concern. Many thanx.

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com vinod sharma

    @Tajender
    You would agree that an argument made with civility and good sense always gets a larger more receptive audience. So why can’t you do exactly that? It will help me, the blog and all the visitors here. Pl pay heed.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Tajender

    As you know I have been a supporter of you and I have defended your right to be here.

    So I hope you will not mind if I offer some advise.

    1. Do not ever, ever, go away. If you do, then these dyed in saffron Hindu Fundos would have one.

    2. Please avoid large cut and pastes, because I know you can make the point better all by yourself.

    3. On the whole I think you are less abusive than I am, so this hollow advise is refrain from abusive words leave them to those who have nothing better to say.

    Dusman ke pass tope nahin hai, woh phool gaendva marte hain

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    It is like preaching secularism to Zia-ul-haq, the dracula terrorist.

    Vinodji, how long do you intend to keep up the charade?

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    Ravi Reply:

    B.V. Shenoy

    It is easy to teach Zia-ul-Haq any thing, he is educated.

    Which is more than one can say about you, a Highly trained Hindu Fundo, from Shyama Prasad Mookerjee school of political hectoring.

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Excellent, blog even hard core congi spokesperson can’t do this. Vinnu can see only yeddy but the real culprit behind reddy brother’s success is the gr8 YSR, and ofcouse he gifted his son in law 30,000 hecters of his father’s property and his son is worth 30,000 crores. Vinnu do some home work before taking brief from 10 janpath

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod is on the payroll of Diggi (Chappal bearer of Rahul Gandhi) and Dalla Amar Singh so don’t expect him to be honest.

    Next non-congress govt. should round up dalals like Vinod and put them in jail. I’d personally like to administer 3rd degree on these guys..

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    TaJ

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Taj

    I think u need to see a psychiatrist , i heard B V Shenoy is one

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @@ Everyone

    I just a huge good reality TV show. Ravi and Fake Tajendra Tur-d in doggie position wating for OSoma who had taken his viaGRA AT Tora Bora !!! :D :D :D

    BOTH of the low level ISI agents getting thier daily dose :D :D :D

    HA HA HA HA

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    Ravi Reply:

    Fortunately, we in the UK we can also watch this TV channel.

    No sooner the copulatory habits of K9s were completed, the TV show started to focus on the RIGHT ROYAL ROMP where Raja Shenoy – having completely failed to arise his Sir Phaluda – even after ingesting industrial strength Vegetarian Viagra – was shown to use a replacement prosthetic bifurcated Phaluda with which he was shagging Rani Vijay in both possible holes.
    Such was the joy in Vijay Rani’s eyes that it momentarily distracted me from my 72 akshat yonis.

    Good game, good game, lets continue.

    :) , :) , :) ~~~~ :) , :) , :)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    What a pity… At the age of 60 after smuggling yourself to the UK on a donkey From Pak-shit-stan to UK and spending your life as a lavotary attendent, why do you bore us :D

    Maybe you are a lavatory attendent in Rawalpindi and pretending to be inUK to impress Indians :D

    The quality of your and TUR-D inders propagandaa is absymal !! maybe it is the lack of education for dumb Pak-shit-stanis who can only think of becoming suicide bomberrs as a career, :D

    Or maybe the ISI is so short of cash that they can only manage dumb pigs like you :D

    So when are you and TUR-D endar going to blowyourself up and join your hero Osama Bin Laden in jannat ??? :D :D :D

    Of course your secret dream for blowing yourself would be to be reborn as Indians,,, :D
    Ha ha ha ah !! :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Rani zara muskara to do; :) , :)

    It is pity that your Sialkotia parents taught you no shagging manners and you grew up in the gutters of Pahar Ganj as the local Jan Sanghi gob-shite – which is what you frooking are. :) , :) , :)

    Well what ever I may or may not be, I am not a Phar Ganj Sulabh attendant as you obviously are. :) , :) , :)

    I think you will observe – perhaps not – that your propaganda is nothing more than RSS fæces dished out to you, at regular Shakha briefings. Pity some of them get stuck to your walrus moustache :) , :) , :) , as u try to swallow it.

    All you can ever think of is kicking the shit out of any poor dalit that comes in your path. You define your greatness in terms of other people’s misery. :) , :) , :) ,

    You are pathetic.

    Well the price of abuse ( P*K*A*K*I and TUR DI, etc.) has gone up.

    You say ought and I will ram it down your frooking gullet faster than you can say mine is a pint. The days you could rule the roos here are weel an truly over. Get used to me, for I am here to stay. If abuse is what you wish to exchange, you now have a taster, the main course is yet to come. :) , ;) , :)

    We will blow our selves up the moment you invite us for a dinner. It will be your last supper.

    At least I will get my 72 akshat yonis , all you will get is parvah in the Gard Ganga.

    I rather be re-born as a Kirda/mkorda than to be born as a woman like you.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Teri hi Jubaan main itna bol sakta hun ki tu bardasht nahi kar payega but to bring myself to your level is still your victory. Any pretension to be respectable and a Sikh is in tatters. Dasiyon bar muhki khayee hai, gyarhavi bar too rahega hi nahin.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I am afraid either your or my Hindi is not good enough and I do not understand what you have said.

    Oh BTW if you do not believe me as to who I am, then so be it.

    I will live with that.

    Regards

    Ravi

  • Gautam Gulati

    Tajender,

    Another concipiracy by Brahmins/Jews/RSS/BJP

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Muslim-girl-stoned-to-death-for-participating-in-beauty-contest/H1-Article1-703979.aspx

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gautam Ji

    A very sad story and we should always oppose all such incidents.

    However, let’s not allow an isolated incident (or even Incidents) to be treated as typical representatives of Islam as a whole.

    Uryani se lutaf uthaon, rooh meri bimar nahin. (from the film Love in Tokyo with Joy Mukherji in the lead role)

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  • Gautam Gulati

    Ravi,

    Yes you are right that an isolated incident (or even Incidents) should not be treated as typical representatives of Islam as a whole. Similarly can you please advice your friend that he should stop blaming
    brahminism/Jews/RSS/BJP for all the problem of muslims worldwide. Thats why I had specially
    addressed this to Tajender.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gautam Ji

    I have advised him, as I am sure you are able to see above.

    However, to a certain extent I fear that Tajender is mis-understood.

    I think one has to decipher his short-hand of Zionism = World Capitalism, Brhamanism = Caste based exploitative Capitalism in India. Combine this with suppression of Dalits both historically and in our contemporary society, then you start to understand his alternative view point.

    To me it is refreshing to read – some and not all – of his posts where and anti establishment (consisting of both Congress and BJP) view point is presented.

    However, I accept your general point that he needs to moderate himslef and I have advised his as much.

    But I am against exclusion of any one. We are a lot more mature than to start banning people wily nilly. We are not Shiv Sena.

    I hope you agree.

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    Gautam Gulati Reply:

    Ravi,

    No use discussing with you. You are also doing the name of blaming Brahminism/Zionism/
    BJP/RSS for all ills of moslems all over the world. Only difference between you and Tajender
    is that you say it in a sophiscated way as your command on English language is better
    then him.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gautam

    In that case I believe you are absolutely correct.

    There is no point us discussing anything.

    Regards

    Ravi

  • Manohar_T

    The way the BJP handles the alleged wrong doings is amazing. No explanations sought, no action like asking the person question to step down till such he/she gets her name cleared – looks there is a severe shortage of leaders. On the contrary defending the person to the hilt, the same old arguments – no court of law has found him/her guilty, so and so did the same previously so it is OK and the best of all – immoral but not illegal.

    On the other hand, the Congress seems to acting on the alleged misdeeds of its own and its partners. If they take it to the logical conclusion, it is likely that they will come out with flying colours.

    The BJP seems to be in disarray and in denial – internal squabbles, inaction against alleged corruption/misdeeds by its own leaders With such a principal opposition like the BJP, the Congress would not need allies to win in 2014 and the Advani and Co. would be left licking their wounds for the third time.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    Obviously politician in you has got better of the journalist you. Believe in numbers than quality. Sad, but so be it.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Vinod has dropped all pretence of being a journalist. He is more of a congress spokesperson. However very recently he also joined congress’s dirty trick department by participating in Shanti Bhushan fake CD.
    He now joins the rank of Amar and Diggi Singh.

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  • shan

    Bloggers et al, are you guys interested in a serious debate , or just time pass . as there is so much spare time for the near retirees , SMUG B panditji , and his poodle who doesn’t have a job rizwan.
    Rest of the bloggers , some hold “forein” passport, yet do not belong to the firangi country , and some just frolickng on the net , and they have their “release” in the punchbag called Pakistan.
    Now what are we discussing CORRUPTION. Who is more corrupt , congress or bjp.
    It is like saying whom did raj kapoor s h a g more nargis or Vijayantimala, or who sh agged marilyn monroe more JFK or bobby kennedy. THE ANSWER IS BOTH EQUALLY.
    Congress has turned corruption into an INSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE, but BJP is no Anna hazare.
    Remember pramod mahajan’s brother , his gripe “Everybody is saying he has made 1000 crore , why can’t he give me some”
    Though the congress’s attempt to equate yuddurappa’s land alottment with 2G scam is like callingparking on a double yellow line and running over with a car , crimes at par with each other.
    CORRUPTION IS UNIVERSAL, a bit like PROSTITUTION , inevitable , some places rampant ,some places less like ENGLAND or even more DENMARK.
    India’s corruption is at two levels , the MACRO ,2G etc ,and micro , everyday life.
    Macro corruption is seen in USA every now and then . starting with Milkin and Junk bond , Enron, Worldcom, bernie maddox and latest the SUBPRIME mortgage.
    An example of american political class corruption.
    Bush the duffer Jnr,set up an oil exploration company with shares floated on the NYSE and all the works. , enter SAUDI RULING FAMILY , he buys the shares at a hugely inflated price .Does not find a drop of oil in a year , sells rest of the shares to SAUD family ,pocketting yet more money. THIS IS ROUTING BRIBE IN A SOPHISTICATED MANNER. In fact Americans are not hung up on receiving politicaldonation. Watch the Film CHARLIE WILSON’S WAR. The senator tells his constituent “For 5000 dollar , we can see me without appointment ,for 50000 YOU CAN CALL ME CHARLIE
    Corruption is not the problem , GETTING AWAY WITH CORRUPTION IS.
    Also lot of corruption will vanish , just by twaeking the system. Just by removing the interface between the citizen and the govt , THE BABUS , by making all payment through internet.
    Just like STD booths , Internet payment services can be franchised for the villages and those without access to internet, A BIT LIKE PAY PAL. The franchisee will pay from his account ,charge a smallpremium for his services , the process will be fast , corruption proof.
    In UK if you park in a No parking area , the traffic warden posts a penalty on your window screen ,takes a photograph. The notice tells you which traffic ruleyou have violated and where to pay directly by cheque or through the internet.
    REFLECT ON THE INDIAN SITUATION IN A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Just wondering what makes Vinod Sharma a sidekick of Amar & DIggi. I knew that Vinod lacks any journalistic ethics but I never knew he will be doing Dalali for AMar and Diggi..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Qur’an 3:54
    Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
    Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena
    Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    “If a man is torn between continued desire or releasing it, and if this man does not have a wife or he has a slave-girl but he does not marry, then if a man is overwhelmed by desire, and he fears that he will suffer because of this (someone like a prisoner, or a traveller, or a pauper), then it is permissible for him to masturbate, and Ahmad (ibn Hanbal) is explicit on this. Furthermore, it is narrated that the Companions of the Prophet (s) used to masturbate while they were on military expeditions or travelling”.
    Bada’i al-Fuwa’id of Ibn Qayyim (Islamic scholar), page 129

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “If somebody keeps a horse in Allah’s Cause motivated by his faith in Allah and his belief in His Promise, then he will be rewarded on the Day of Resurrection for what the horse has eaten or drunk and for its dung and urine.”
    Sahih Bukhari 4:52:105

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Muhammad sucked Aisha’s tongue
    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
    Abu Dawud 13:2380

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  • Raju Kurien

    Salim zhahid (40), a journalist who did an investigative report on Al Queda-Pak Navy connection was found killed today near Islamabad.

    The chief of Pak Navy refused to attend a hearing yesterday called by the Pakistani elected senate.

    Pakistan is clearly a case of “dracula holding the keys to blood bank”.

    India be vigilant; crazies will destroy us along with them.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Raju

    Here is my understanding.

    There is some evidence to suggest the recent attack by Taliban on a Naval Base in Pakistan had a lot more to do with Chinese Engineers trying to steal secrets from US Radar type equipment, than it did with any religion/political issues.

    Apparently, the area is forbidden to the Chinese, but after the attack a number of Chinese engineers were seen being escorted out of the area.

    Analysts believe that in return for help with Missile/Nuclear technology Pakistan allows China to study US equipment so that they can reverse engineer it.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Ravi, you and your conspiracy theories– I am glad now you have included Chinese along with Indians, US, jews, Israel etc as the part of your rndl;ess conspiracy theories..

    So the Chinese and Pak navy fought for three days! hiphiphopopray…

    And the Chinese killed this newspaper guy??? Or ur buddies in ISI?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This is what they learn in mosque…conspiracy theories…

    Ravi Reply:

    Raju

    You disappoint me.

    Ask me nicely and I will post you the Analyst’s link who first pointed that out.

    But then your real purpose was not political, it was religious.

    You are a RSS chalak, who wants to implicate Islam in evey incident.

    That is what you are pad for.

    You are a HINDU FUNDO

  • http://- Rajeev

    http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Camel_Urine_and_Islam

    Summary
    Muhammad prescribed camel urine as medicine to the followers from uraynah. Because Muhammed is a prophet, Muslims believe he received a divine revelation from God. As a result they continue to study and prescribe camel urine as medicine despite the lack of evidence proving there is any medicinal value in camel urine and that there is some evidence that drinking urine is actually harmful.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi and Ram Autar take daily dose of Camel Urine and that makes their brain Jehadi.

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  • Ravi

    Vinod Ji

    I am aware that you regularly monitor this blog. It is therefore reasonable for me to assume that you have been witnessing the exchange of un-pleasantries between B. V. Shenoy, Vijay Kumar and I.

    I am not sure if any explanation is necessary here, but I will happily volunteer it.

    For a number of months I have noticed spats between your self and your Bhagwa baiters, you are an experienced man and I notice how tactfully (as required by your position) you handle them. Being a free agent, I am not bound by such restrictions.

    So today, I have decided enough is enough, they can abuse me all they like, but now there is a price to pay. For those who read their insults, innuendos, and damn right rude words against Tajender and myself, will find that there is a befitting repost to such provocations.

    I have made it clear to them, as to what needs to happen if this madness has to end. The choice is there’s for the taking.

    Please feel free to enter the fray if you wish to stop this juvenile nonsense.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Chup Khusre…Bakwaas bund kar..Osama ki aulaad….

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi, but where is your mate , the one mesmerised by your prose and through prose mesmerised at you.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vinod JI,
    Please save these Khusras from combined wrath of awakened Indians.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This is truly thought provoking….How a MNA (MP) from Pakistan thinks?

    Pak MNA Bushra Rahman against “Hindus”, India & Indian Culture
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q4qCwiV3Fs

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    This fatso, Bushra rahman has a big problem with pakistani ladkiyan, calling their mother, father as mata , pita? wow, what a level of intellect. This Pakistan and its islamist culture is a cancer. world is awakening. Maharaja Ranjeet singh offered 100000 rupees for each Afghan Mundi. That is what is needed for not Afghanistan but Ravi and Tajender, who can not even act like dalits or true sikhs.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Don’t get me wrong but Indian muslims also think like that but they do not express this hatred so openly.
    I have personally seen muslim parents admonishing their children for so called “Hindu Behaviour”….
    Really disgusting…however I still remember our Shia neighbors in Pune who were very open minded. Those memories still provide some hope..

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    You are right here Rajeev. Not all the muslims are bad, I have had many good muslim friends. But this SIMI thing is also from India and congress ki aisi ki taisi, we will not let India become another islamic country. Present UPA, Kabza group, has overtaken India, people are not understanding, and making high sounding lines, infact selling their souls. No need to show any evidence, facts are there for every one to see.

  • Pankaj#1

    What is your problem. you are already an islamist country, you P.aki.

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  • Rajiv

    @Pankaj and Rajeev,

    Please do not make any comments of generic nature against any Indian community, ethnic, linguistic or religious. It would be wrong and indefensible. Always name individuals or parties and not communities. Thanks

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv;
    I am surprised, that I am abusing a community?. where from you got it? Did I abuse Ravi and Tajinder, in the language they are addressing others? I agree with your analysis, almost 100%. But, I am trying to maintain decorum from the very begining, and even pleaded for Ravi and Tajinder. Can not you see, where they are coming from?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajiv,

    one way secularism is called pseudo secularism. Don’t fall a victim to it. Leave it to Manohar, Mahesh, Prabhat etc. They are past masters in pseudo secularism.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Vinodji- YOUR BLOG HAS BECOME A CESSPOOL-

    …..you, a Highly trained Hindu Fundo
    …….Next non-congress govt. should round up dalals like Vinod and put them in jail. I’d personally like to administer 3rd degree on these guys..
    …..use a replacement prosthetic bifurcated Phaluda with which he was shagging Rani Vijay in both possible holes
    ……………You say ought and I will ram it down your frooking gullet faster
    …………Muhammad sucked Aisha’s tongue Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. Abu Dawud 13:2380
    …………
    Vinod, maybe you need too ban 3-4 people from your blog, this is not a healthy debate. Please clean it up, will be back then

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Vijay, shenoy, doctor Pankaj, Kushagra, Raju- pl do not get into any verbal abuse / tango with others, this is my humble request. I speak as a friend

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shut up…Idiot..I have quoted from Hadith..unlike you I quote from sources whereas you pundit only indulge in Chaaploosi…
    Get out of this blog and go eat some Tehravi…

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    Observer Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,

    You still have not provided any recommendation for Shan’s multi personality disorder. Do not behave like Indians in UK who run to exit when collection hat is above to arrive at them. Help our fellow Muslim.or ex-

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Pankaj and others,
    Now you know why I used the language that Ravi and his sidekick understand. I exposed Ravi but some fake intellectuals tried to give in one more chance. Now this is how, he is repaying people who were willing to give him a chance.

    If you read earlier blogs, he supported Bin Laden, justified 26/11 attack. Although he claims to be sikh but he ends up supporting Islamic terrorism. He thinks all Indians can be made fools.
    Some spineless Indian fools who flash their fake secularism have taken protection from Ravi from time to time but ended up getting abused by both Ravi and A-hole Tajender.

    Unfortunately muslims like these give good muslims bad name. I don’t consider Islam to be a religion but more like political movement with some rituals but despite this many muslims are decent people.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, i was sifting through the archives , when i came across my riposte , where i have said ravi’s words “you will not live in peace unless OUR people in kashmir get their dues”
    Leaves hardly any doubt which side of the border it is coming from

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I have same feeling, where Ravi writes that Us is forcing US( who is this US?) to abonden ISI. No doubt that this is coming from a chap from Muridke. He talks about Paharganj, I can teach him Delhi topography.
    He pretends to be a delhiites, all fake.

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    Ravi Reply:

    ;) , ;) , ;) , ;) , ;)

    Moogle Maps my friend, Moogle Maps

    Ravi Reply:

    SHAN

    I Challenege you to post the entire post with my name and date stamp.

    Your failure to do so, exposes you as a LIAR.

    Ravi

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    Rajeev Reply:

    There are many instances where Ravi has used ‘We’ and ‘Pakistani’ inter changeably.

    I have been active on lot of pakistani blog and what Ravi is doing is modus operandi of many bloggers whose sole aim to to embarrass Indians and hindus by posing as Indians and posting abuses against India.

    Their favorite source of info. are fake Dalit sites created by pakistanis and their Indian sympathisers.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Lets have the evidence.

    Or else you too stand exposed as a LIAR

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    page turned hence repeat-
    Vinodji- YOUR BLOG HAS BECOME A CESSPOOL-

    …..you, a Highly trained Hindu Fundo
    …….Next non-congress govt. should round up dalals like Vinod and put them in jail. I’d personally like to administer 3rd degree on these guys..
    …..use a replacement prosthetic bifurcated Phaluda with which he was shagging Rani Vijay in both possible holes
    ……………You say ought and I will ram it down your frooking gullet faster
    …………Muhammad sucked Aisha’s tongue Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. Abu Dawud 13:2380
    …………
    Vinod, maybe you need too ban 3-4 people from your blog, this is not a healthy debate. Please clean it up, will be back then

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Stop B-Shitting..You are solely responsible for encouraging Ravi to post all this non-sense.

    Bakwaas bund kar..aur Tehravi khaa…

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    @Dr. Mishra

    I agree that this blog has been turned in to a cesspool. Banning is not the solution though, removing irrelevant and abusive posts would go a long way to clean up the mess.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Dr Mishra
    I have posted an appeal to all. If that does not work, I will act decisively. You stay put as your exit or that of any other serious debator will be a victory of these louts.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I quoted “Mohammad Sucking Ayesha’s tongue” from Hadith..and did not make up.
    Some idiots who never ever read keep lecturing others.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    rajeev, not saying you made this up. Just that quoting this is completely irrelevant and raises the abuse level of the blog for tajender and ravi come up with something on radha- krishna

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I don’t care about Radha-Krisha or Ying yang…I only understand India…If they are going to abuse India, I am not going to take it lying down.

    Secondly Islam is not a religion but a political ideology presented as religion. It believes in occupying land and capturing people…I guess religions are about spirituality not real estate and slaves.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    It is time to ban idiots like Mishra and Balwinder who bring in their fake brit values and encourage Islamic terrorists like Ravi and Tajender.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev,panditji and he he Bhondhu is brit only in PASSPORT, otherwise they have not imbibed even an iota of protestant virtues. Ask them about any aspect of english culture , their knowledge is same as bin laden ’s contribution to world peace.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    @Shan – A confession to make – I misunderstood you.

    I did not behave well with you in the past. My humble apologies to you.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dear Vijay, shenoy, doctor Pankaj, Kushagra, Raju- pl do not get into any verbal abuse / tango with others, this is my humble request. I speak as friend

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    i wish, i could not have disclosed my self as a doctor. I respect this profession, as we are saviours and not destroyers, but what is happening here is not simple posturing, this is coming as an existential fight, not on this blog, but world in general. And, I am not ready to bend against Gundai, just because, we have to maintain higher standards.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Pankaj, I agree with you. There comes a point when enough is enough. We should not allow rogue elements to dominate this domain with their venom and half-lies and truths.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    PANKAJ JI,

    I couldn’t agree more with you, Rajeev, Kushagra and also Vijay Kumar.

    This is not the time to back out nor to tolerate insults to all that we hold dear and sacred.

    Let us give them back inequal measure and more.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    I’ll try my best to restrain myself. Lets see how long it goes.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Dear Vijay, shenoy, doctor Pankaj, Kushagra, Raju, Rajiv with I- pl do not back down against Ravi and Tajender, this is my humble request. I speak as friend

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    Kushagra Reply:

    @Rajeev, I read this after posting a response to Ravi. I shall try my best to restrain myself. Occasionally, I’ll falter yet will control myself.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    we are all with you and together.

    It is now this Pakistani terrorist scums Pakinder and Ravi supported by Vinod Sharma against the rest of us.

    JAI HIND
    JAI BHARAT
    VANDE MATRAM

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I am sure you are aware of the limits of decency. It isn’t fair to brand people as Pakistanis or supporters of Pakistan. Nobody has a monopoly over patriotism Mr Shenoy. Neither your nor
    I.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Sharma

    You have hit the nail on the head.

    Here liberalism is confused with treachery, and jingoism with patriotism.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Mishra,
    I like having fun with you. You are a man of patience. We are on the same side so I apologize for harsh language that I have used against you.
    But just a advise, please desist from this punditgiri. I hate pundits and mullahs for one reason only, they preach all the time…

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  • http://- Rajeev

    What do Congressis like Vinod have to say about this?

    125 Years’ History Book Leaves Red Faces in Congress
    http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?723637

    Ab Prabhatji prakat honge..Vinod ke liye..

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  • Kushagra

    @Ravi – Your earlier quote – “As I said his ability to act is directly in proportional to the mandate he has which in turn is based upon parliamentary number.”

    Your own quote is sufficient how feeble this Prime Minister is if his entire ability to rein scoundrals is based on parliamentry numbers. Sorry, it doen’t work that way.

    Your duplicity – “No wonder your kind get rejected by the electorate.”

    When it comes to defend the impotency of Prime Minister you take refuge of lack of parliamentry numbers and when it comes to his accountability you will furnish this line of electorate chose this government. A typical attitude of people of your IQ.

    If electorate number is the only deciding factor then Narendra Modi has been winning a massive majority in the parliament in a state which is a model for development. If you have so much respect for electorate then why do you hypocrites call Narendra Modi a mass murderer? Parliamentry numbers and development both should be sufficient to absolve him of the mass murdere charge. After all its the electorate who rejected hypocrites like your herd and decided to put ‘mass murderer’ in power!

    Your another quote – “Able PM yes. No corruption charge against him. He is not his brother’s keeper.” – Did Narendra Modi himself physically participated in the riots? Even he is not his brother’s keeper. With your twisted logic Narendra Modi deserves a clean chit.

    For your information the fact of the matter is no matter how developed Gujarat is Narendra Modi should not be spared for his inaction/blind eye in 2002, because everything happened under his nose.

    Howerver, just like Narendra Modi being head of the government under which the 2002 riots took place means he is “Maut Ka Saudagar”, Manmohan Singh deserves to be called “Choron ka Sardar”.

    Your threat of ruining this blog is proving feeble. With your IQ you are only fit to plead and beg Tajender to adopt you.

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    Observer Reply:

    @Kushagra

    I can see your duplicity

    .” For your information the fact of the matter is no matter how developed Gujarat is Narendra Modi should not be spared for his inaction/blind eye in 2002, because everything happened under his nose.”

    But should not same standard be applied to Congress? Should not Congress disown Rajiv Gandhi the way it disowned Narsimha Rao?

    None of you CQs had any problem with Rajiv Gandhi becoming Prime Minister. I have not heard Digvijay or any Congress or CQ calling Rajiv Gandhi Maut Ka sodagar, as more people died in Delhi in front of world embassies than in Gujarat.

    What your moral standard is: what a dynasty member does is Lila, what an OBC does is sin.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    @Observer – Did you read my post in entirety?

    Read it from top to bottom once again and you will understand what I said.

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    shan Reply:

    @Kushagra, OBSERVER enjoyed so much the rape of muslims in gujrat , took part in them , as well as burning children , now if you call modi a scoundrel, who did not do these acts in person, is it unreasonable to call observer a DISGRACE , a beast or the filthiest nature

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Shan- You are making a really serious charge on OSERVER, Is it a matter of fact that Observer was involved in those ghori acts? I don’t know OBSERVER personally. Is it really the truth?

    Observer Reply:

    @Khusagra,

    I had understood your point well. But you should realize that CQs in their argument are inconsistent., selective and they will keep changing it. What they keep is mule like stubbornness and SELF- RIGHTEOUSNESS. In the process they will get you to admit what they want, without conceding anything.

    Therefore I put the Point that whenever CQs mention Modi we should mention Rajiv Gandhi. And refuse to go further until they admit.

    As for shan he is Pakistani from cesspool of Lahore, so it would not be even worth arguing with him. .He was abusing a cultured Indian Muslim named. Rizwan in another blog. Being from Lahore it is their culture to make wild accusation, believe in conspiracy and so on.. Shan is like Zulfikar li Bhutto with his foul, gutteral language minus any logic.

    Kushagra Reply:

    @Observer – On a matter of principle I agree with you that 1984 legacy of Rajiv Gandhi is never questioned in the same manner as of Narsimha Rao in 1992 and Modi in 2002.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Observer;
    You did not read Kushagra properly.

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  • Observer

    @Tajudddin Yazdil,

    How about stoning to death for adultery?

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  • shan

    @rajeev, reading a book called THE PERSIANS written by an iranian professor , it is 600 page book.
    Mine field of explosive information.
    Did you know the word TAQUIYA is FARSI,. it means ability to complelety deny even in the face of overwhelming evidence. this is a well known trait , the author talks about in first fifteen page.
    Now the bizzare histiography of islam. There is a book on ALEXANDER , called SIKANDARNAMA, written in the islamic period of iran.according to this PORKY, alexander went to MECCAH, offered obesience , and alexander didn’t conquer persia , but subsumed it by virtue of becoming SON IN LAW of the dying king DARA. In fact alexander’s mother is a persian married to macedonian philip.
    NOW YOU CAN START TO UNDERSTAND PAKISTAN.
    feel free to ask for exact page and quotes, etc

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  • rajiv

    Regarding Ravi
    ———————-

    Anyone who pleads or acts as an attorney to the absolute trash that emanates from **** pakinder, is trashing himself. Let Ravi defend that trash and trash himself. Give him all he freedom !

    You see, every society has issus. The question is what does the society do to rectify them or is the state itself the criminal, as in case of Pakistan.

    India , the majority, has given special safeguards, quotas to weaker sections and castes. There is an active discrimination against so called upper castes so as to help the weaker sections of society. Thats what India should be proud of.
    Just like USA has a history of racism. You can , as a criminal pakinder or his attorney, dwell on it, or you can see what the state has done to correct rasicm, and now has a 1/2 black presidnet.

    Similarly, India has had 4 Muslim prsidents ( Maulana Azad, Fakrudding ali ahmed, Zzakir Hussain and the Mr Kalam ), a sikh priminister and many minority Vice Presidents.
    India has taken many measures to promote the weaker sections of society at the cost of the other sections.

    Compare that to Pakistan. A criminal entity, that has committed genocide of minorities.
    Today India has almost as many Muslims as India, Pakistan and East Pakistan all put together had in 1947. What kind of reservations has Pakistan done for its weaker sections fo society ?
    Its a feudal society ruled by criminal isi/army.

    Any one, including Ravi, who seeks to draw any paralel between India and Pakistan , are thugs and criminals. Its not I who say that, its they who attest to it when they seek to compare India with that thug criminal entity called Pak.

    My point is , criticize pakinder or his atorney as much as you want, but do not generalize that against muslims or any community.

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    Observer Reply:

    I t is true that Pakistan has been acting in bad faith. But it has nuclear weapons, It is better for us understand them see if we can prevent them from going to abyss or are we in some way responsible for their predicament..

    From Pakistani vintage point:

    How would you feel if a guy bloodied you, walk away with an item which you think was yours , then the same guy start lecturing you about how his moral standards are higher then yours, calls you thief, fanatic, terrorist etc. and periodically puts salt in your wound? This is how Pakistani establishment feels about India.

    Wouldn’t you have the guy rather walk off and never bother you again rather being permanently in your face and lecturing whenever he gets chance? This is what India under Nehru dynasty has been doing to Pakistan..that case, Wouldn’t you feel desire to inflict thousand cuts on that person?

    In 1947 if India had taken the whole Kashmir Pakistan would have sooner or later reconciled to the loss of Kashmir, as they did about loss of Bangladesh. But instead of that India took the case to UN and forced Pakistani establishment to be hostage to that issue, since no Pakistani leader can give up Kashmir, for which so much emotions have been invested, and survive.

    In addition, India took active part in breaking up Pakistan into Pakistan and Bangladesh. But again India did not seize Kashmir and kept the problem festering.

    Unless India totally disowns NEHRU DYNASTY and their vision, especially SECULARISM, which may provide Pakistani establishment with a room to maneuver there is very little chance of reconciliation. In the worst case scenario, when Pakistan is about to break up due to internal issues it might use nuclear weapons against India like a suicide bomber.

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    shan Reply:

    The above rant is uncannily similar to the justification of 26/11 by Tawahur rana.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    For most part I do not disagree with what you say here.

    However, with regards to me acting as an Attorney for Tajender, I would like set the record straight.

    Tajender has done nothing wrong and therefore does not need an Attorney.

    My position is simple. I do not think that we are the kind of people who would ask for banning any one grounds of their views.

    I belong to the generation which firmly believes that “I may totally disagree with you, but I will fight to death for your RIGHT to say what you have to say”. If Hitler was being hounded here and calls were being made to ban him. I would have defended him.

    I have not asked B. V. Shenoy or Vijay Kumar to be banned. I have just increased the price of their abusive behaviour.

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  • Raju Kurien

    It is time to get off of “Modi/Guj Riots” issue. Gujrat, for a change, has been peaceful ever since the last riuot. And it is going to be like that for a long time. Peoples lives are significantly better (including Muslims’). What happened is a black mark fro all, and nothing specific against Modi.

    Modi will become the Prime Minister after next elections. He will help india grow at double the current rate; improving everybody’s future. All of India will be peaceful under him devoid of any recurring communal riots.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Raju,
    I think it is wrong to say that let us forget about Gujarat riot. We should try to get to bottom of these riots.
    1. What ignited these riots? (Godhra)
    2. Was Godhra incident used as pretext to attack muslims?
    3. What was the relation between hindus & muslims in gujarat prior to Godhra incident?
    4. Did muslims harrass hindus prior to Godhra?

    I have spoken to many Gujaratis and most of them have said that prior to these riots muslims used to harrass hindus and get away with it. They have told me that hindu localities adjacent to muslim ghettos were always terrified of unprovoked attacks. The 2002 riots though unfortunate, have made muslims understand that there Gundagardi will not be tolerated anymore.

    I am from UP and I know first hand that 9 out of 10 riots were started by muslims prior to 1992 (ayodhya riots).

    Same is the case with punjab where Sikhs terrorists (with tacit understanding with silent sikhs) picked on hindus and shot them dead. 1984 changed all that…Indian minorities are used to hindu rolling over and letting them have their will but when hindus hit back these minorities cower behind fake secularism and under the command of xtian dominated NAC, comes up with junk biased bill like this.

    NAC has rabid communal dog John Dayal as its member..with members like him and Sonia, NAC has no creditibility.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinodji;
    A jouralist, who exposed maharan attack, has been killed by ISI. How you like this system. I know, you will never condone this, but then why you are supporting Ravi and Tajinder. Every action has equal and opposite reaction. I will be the last person to enter this Thukka- fajitee, but you are not giving any chance to meaningful discussions.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I will dignify your post with a serious response, simply because deep down I do believe that you are a man of honour. I hope I have placed my faith in the right place, but if not, I am happy to take my chances.

    I do not think Vinod is supporting Tajender or me. He is fundamentally a democrat and feels that – within reason – everyone has a right to express themselves. This is a fundamental right. If we start taking this away then we are no better than the very oppressive Islamists we oppose.
    I know that I have upped the anti on Shenoy and Vijay, and that is purely and simply as retaliation to their abuse thrown at me. See below for chronology.

    Further more for a couple of blogs I have been sickened to my back teeth about 72 virgins, 9 yr old wife yadda, yadda, etc.

    If we want to discuss the topic, then at least basic decorum has to be maintained by all, that means no calling for ban him or ban the other TUR-D this and P*A*K*I this and P*A*K*I that.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    There is no fundamental right for P.aki dogs in India, least of all on this blog.
    If you have any proof about the 9year old wife of Mohammed, bring it out.

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    Ravi Reply:

    B.V. Shenoy

    There in lies the difference.

    I believe every one has a right to express and a right to insult.

    You hound every one.

    You are no different from those who want the Danish Cartoonist to be banned or an artist to be thrown out of the country.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    To all fellow bloggers

    It is my earnest appeal to all of you to use your debating skills without getting overcharged or abusive in order to insult the other side. I too disagree with some many of my guests but I try to keep my temper under check. Yet the guard slips at times.
    While leaving room for some benefit of doubt, we must agree to basic rules which can be an amalgam of what the warring sides (if that’s the expression) propose. May I therefore request Mr Shenoy and Mr Ravi to come forward with their suggestions which then can be passed on to one or two relatiely neutral persons for the final draft.
    This exercise I have proposed might sound cumbersome. But conensus building is never an easy affair.
    anticipating response

    Vinod Sharma

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    you must, first of all, clarify whether Pakistani Muslims, who support terror and Osama bin Laden and who spew venom and hatred for Hindus on your blog by taking fake Hindu names, have any fundamental rights in India. If they have, then nothing I or anybody else say here will be uselful. I would gracefully withdraw.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I have sought your help. This blog isn’t just mine. It belongs to all. You people write so much more here by way of responses to my propositions. I don’t know Ravi but I think he is not a Pakistani as you suspect him to be. I think a dialogue is possible between the two of you. To assure you of his antecedents,I will request Ravi to give his contact number the way you did some time ago.
    Hope that wll help.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod ji.

    Here is my submission:

    1. No matter what the provocation – abusive language must be avoided.
    2. Criticising Hinduism should not be equated to; anti Hinduism, or Pro-Islam.
    3. Defending moderate Islam should not be equated to “he is a Pakistani”.
    4. We all know about 72 Virgins, (yr old Bride and unsavoury verses in the Koran, perpetually repeating them achieves nothing.
    5. Whilst discussing Pakistan distinction must be made between the states objectives, its use of Islam as a potent weapon, and ordinary Muslims who are no different from you and I. There are many of them.
    6. One or two taunts are a fair game, lyrical cynicism is allowed, but perpetual hounding will get an appropriate response.
    7. This blog is no one’s personal hegemony, least of all B.V.Shenoy’s.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ravi
    Please help me broker peace. Shenoy has been accusing you of being a Pakistani. Disprove him by inviting him over to your place for a cup of tea. Or give him your phone number to help him call you for a friendly hello.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Sharma Ji.

    If a cup of tea is able to bridge the chasm that exists between our views then, I will only be too pleased to offer it and sip it.

    However, let’s take this a step at a time.

    You have my email address, write to me and we can have a brief chat. The objective is to prove that I am who I say I am.

    Once you have authenticated me as Ravi. Then we can focus on discussing all such issues that interest me, if we are on the opposite side of that political divide then so be it.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ravi
    Can I have your mobile number? Shenoy had placed his number on this site sometime back. I can request him again.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Ji

    I am reluctant to provide my Mobile Number, for the simple reason my Mobile Phone is my company’s Phone and I am not sure it would be appropriate for me to give it out on the Internet.

    I am you will understand that.

    However, there is more than one way we can sort this credentials issue.

    I am hoping that my email address is visible to you. That is my email address and it is not a fake.

    Please write to me and I will be happy to give you my land line number as well as provide you sufficient evidence to support that I am Ravi, and not some one else pretending to be Ravi.

    I hope that is acceptable.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Sharma Ji

    You have my email address.

    Feel free to write to me and I will have a chat, if nothing else I will be able authenticate my personal credentials.

    I am a LIBERAL, there is nothing pseudo about me. I will oppose all forms of fundamentalism, even at the cost of personal abuse.

    However, I am very happy to discuss, in a civil manner, on all topics that interest me. But I hope you accept that I am within my right to respond, in kind when abuse is thrown at me.

    Awaiting an email from you.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ravi
    You don’t carry a cell phone?

    Ravi Reply:

    Vinod Ji

    I do, but as I said, perhaps not very clearly, the only cell phone I have is the one which my employers gives me. Declaring that number in an open forum, for my personal issues may not be appreciated by my employer.

    I am conscious, that this may be read as me hiding behind an excuse. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    As I said above, use my email address to write to me and I will be happy to provide proof of my identity.

    Regards

    Ravi

    Rajeev Reply:

    :) Chor ki Dhadi mein tinka..

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    There are some ohers who come to this blog frequenlty and use bad language. But they are not being named by you. I am not holding brief for anybody and have already said that Tajender will be banished. But Ravi does not fall in that category and in my view is quite capable of contributing to the debate here.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    RAW has supplied me one email address which the bloggers can try out to reach SUPERTURD :D

    It is Superturd.porno.department@ISI.com

    :D :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay rani I am getting report that all emails sent to this address are being redirected to:

    raja&rani@conjugalbliss.RSS.COM.

    I hope you are enjoying some feed-back. It has been long outstanding.

    :) , :) , :)

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Well Vinod;
    This is your blog and this is also your prerogative whom to allow and whom not to allow.Let us go some time in past, if you remember, I advised you, after a particular nasty exchange of words with some one, I told you to not to lose temper and just ignore that guy. You appreciated me. After that, I have been urging every one, including my friends on this blog to maintain the decorum of this blog, if not in this blog, then in the last one. I even suggested to people to be decent with Ravi and Tajender. One weapon with me, is to ignore them. but a constant refrain from Tajender about brahmanst, caste and other fault lines of Indian society is with deliberate mischief, there is nothing constructive there. Now, with a supporter of this ogre, you seem to be comfortable and hope that he can contribute to blog. In my eyes, you are farther from the reality. This supporter was so much enamoured of T. that he opted to leave the blog rather than seeing him blocked. Yeh jugalbandi, aap ko nahin dikhi? and you mentioned vijay and Shenoy vis a vis T. and his supporter. Shenoy ,Vijay and Rajeev, only react, I have been following this blog now since long, so no confusion there.
    These fake leftists, having pain of down trodden, that is a blind, behind which, they are hunting nationalists only. My trust gave a million rupees for old age home in india, where, irrespctive of cast, religion and gender, old people find shelter and succour. These internet champions have nothing to contribute towards downtrodden, except to spread hatred. Just look at their reactions, when ever criminal muslims or Pakistan are criticized, they come up in their defence. So enough of this dramabazi from them. I use to ignore T., but constant low volume music from him is distracting and once in a while one loses once control.
    Very busy I am just now, but I had to get this out of my chest.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Here are two views on “Prevention of Communal and Targeted Violence (Access to Justice and Reparations) Bill, 2011”

    1. http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?272007 by Jaitley

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  • http://- Rajeev

    2. http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?272008 by Singhvi son of LM Singhvi

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am not taking sides on this prevention of communal and target violence Bill because I think it is the need of the hour but to me it looks like current draft is base on 498-A template where husband is always the torturer and wife the innocent victim.
    This Bill assumes Majority to be guilty of violence at all times and assume minorities to be victims in all condition. I am sure current draft can handle Gujarat kind of situation but can it handle Kashmir and Deganga kind of riots too.
    I think it is time our country come up with community neutral bills and hold the law of equality supreme. We can not allow minorities to bulldoze majority and vice versa.

    Even 498A should be revised and should be made gneder neutral.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pl. read
    ‘Even 498A should be revised and should be made gENder neutral.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    A very pertinent point. Section 498A has been grossly misused to harass men on false charges of abuse. The framing of this law was done with good intentions after the dowry harassment cases of the 90’s.

    However SOME (not all by any means) have so grossly abused it that the law is illegtimate in all ways.

    I persoanlly know of 2 cases where petty domestic diputes resulted in the man being jailed ofr six months and police making a hefty packet out if .

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Raju,
    I think it is wrong to say that let us forget about Gujarat riot. We should try to get to bottom of these riots.
    1. What ignited these riots? (Godhra)
    2. Was Godhra incident used as pretext to attack muslims?
    3. What was the relation between hindus & muslims in gujarat prior to Godhra incident?
    4. Did muslims harrass hindus prior to Godhra?

    I have spoken to many Gujaratis and most of them have said that prior to these riots muslims used to harrass hindus and get away with it. They have told me that hindu localities adjacent to muslim ghettos were always terrified of unprovoked attacks. The 2002 riots though unfortunate, have made muslims understand that there Gundagardi will not be tolerated anymore.

    I am from UP and I know first hand that 9 out of 10 riots were started by muslims prior to 1992 (ayodhya riots).

    Same is the case with punjab where Sikhs terrorists (with tacit understanding with silent sikhs) picked on hindus and shot them dead. 1984 changed all that…Indian minorities are used to hindu rolling over and letting them have their will but when hindus hit back these minorities cower behind fake secularism and under the command of xtian dominated NAC, comes up with junk biased bill like this.

    NAC has rabid communal dog John Dayal as its member..with members like him and Sonia, NAC has no creditibility.

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  • rajiv

    Gujrat was riots. Indefensible but riots. That means riotous crowds of Muslims killed Hindus ( in Gidhra and subsequent riots ) and riotous crowds of Hindus killed Muslims. Its all venal and criminal conduct by the individuals involved. But Its not one sided.
    I mean, more than 200 Hindus and more than 100 Gujrat policemen died, trying to protect the innocent.
    Did the 250 plus Hindus commit suicide ? Who killed them ?
    Did 100 plus Modi’s policemen commit suicide ?
    Why did more than 100 Modi’s policemen die ?

    Or did they die trying to protect inocent ( Hindus and Muslims ) from riotous crowds ?

    Official records are something like 854 Muslims, 250 Hindus and 100 plus Modi’s policemen died.
    The numbers are accurate , ( go and read in wikipedia ) because in free society of India, with so many minority protection groups , the numbers are based on those that claimed government compensation and filed police complain after the riot.

    Yes , you may say more Muslims died. Thats because in Gujrat its about 80% hindus and 20% Muslims.
    So if 1% of both the communities was involved in riots, there would be more of 1 community rioting than the other.

    My point in all this is not to defend the conduct. Injustice done to a single citizen, Hindu or Muslim is indefensible and no person should pay for sins by other members of the community.
    My point is to show that there is a difference between rioting and state sponsored, constitutionally sanctioned discrimination leading to total elimination of a community.

    Gujrat and India has not seen any serious rioting in lasy 7-8 years and that very commendable.

    Facts speak louder than any p-a-k-i thug criminal or his dishonest attorney can say. Today India has almost as many Muslims as India and Pakistan put together before partition.
    What happened to minorities in Pakistan ?

    Oh yes, there are no hindu-muslim riots in Pak. The minorities are either all dead or the few surviving scared to death to even protest the constitutionally sanction discrimination and prosecution of its citizens.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajeev,
    A correction-
    Gujrat has about 9.5% muslims.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sorry, This was for Rajiv with I

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  • http://- Rajeev

    What about an old man who sucks tongue of 9 year old girl while fasting and calls himself apostle of devil.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ FAILED ISI NOW TRYIING HAND AT PORNOGRPHY ~~~ ::D :D ~~~

    After its prophet Osama Bin Loda was caught with porno tapes and viagra, the ISI has gone for a mental toss. On one hand it kills jouranllists– as it did yesterday– on the other its low level agents like Fake Tajendar-TUR-D and fake Rav- Superturd , both sent to India to post under sikh names a to create Hindu Sikh hatred are crying.

    Their game is obvious to all. The moment you talk about balkanizing Pakistan, they start posting pornography. :D D :D

    But why porno graphy?????

    My guess as a psychiatrist is that like millions of Pakistani youth and adults their lives have been wasted at brainwashing camps of the LeT and ISI. Herre the youth is told that EVERYTHING is available in jannat, while on earth you deny yourself sex and pleasures…

    BUT !!!!! :D :D :D

    NOW THAT THEIR SUPERHERO BIN ALDEN HAS BEEN CAUGHT WITH PORNO LIBRARIES AND VIAGRA CANS, all these low level agents are disturbed and crying and disheartened …

    That is why the ISI has now instructed them that you guys– agents Fake Tajendar and Fake Ravi superturd to also spread Porno!! :D :D

    But like the quality of ISI, the quality of their porno is also absymal!!! :D :D

    Oh THE ISI reducaed to a porno agancy !! :D :D what a joke…

    And lett us all discuss how to balkanize Pakistan. And see how much porno is dished out!! HA HA AH :D :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    ISI has given a supari to these Pakistani terrorists to destroy Vinod Sharma’s blog by using porn as the weapon. Going by the way Vinodji has handled the matter, these terrorists have almost succeeded in their sacred pornographic mission.

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    ram Reply:

    why will ISI ask their sympathizer blog to be destroyed ? There is something fishy.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ram,

    it is very simple.

    Amongst all the HT blogs, Vinod’s is he only one where people with brains and also with guts come and contribute their ideas. Therefore, the consensus matters most. And the consensus is that Pakistan is fast disintegrating into so many shittistans. It is alsogenerally agreed that ISI has lost all its credibility and there is no money to even pay daily pittance of wages to Tajender P.AK.I and Fake Ravi. So this blog must be destroyed. These two pests have already begun acting on the fatwa.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ram

    If you believe that, then God help you.

    Regards

    Ravi

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shenoy,
    I think this blog is not so important that ISI will target it.

    This blog is targetted by people sypathetic to Al-Qaeda.

    Ravi Reply:

    B.V. Shenoy. Raja Ji, Kya baat hai Rani Naraz hai Kya.

    ISI has only given me a SUPARI, it seems that the BJP/RSS has forced fed you an entire PAAN GILORY and you seemed to have swallowed it.

    Now puke your crimson spit on the pavement and move on.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Keep higlighting how we must and neutralise the terror state of Pakistan, and these two superturds will keepd trying their hand at porno writing at ISI instructions :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar Rani ji, kya jaag uthe ho.

    With you around, who needs porno.

    You are a perfect personification of Intellectual bankruptcy.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Superturd Ravi

    Sh SHHS shooo

    Shuja paasha has instructed you to write porno. Nobody enjoys it except fake Tjendar and real Moot andad Tur-d :D

    Try your hand and reveal what the Pakshitstani mind is like :D

  • Rizwan

    SHAN, your fan club grows. See observer’s comments above- ” As for shan he is Pakistani from cesspool of Lahore, so it would not be even worth arguing with him ”

    Is it because of millions of words you write in a random way, which no one appreciates. You just snipe at ppl’s heels

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    shan Reply:

    But you need to grow your prepuce back, then need to get your self esteem back by getting a job , rather than abba ka diye tukra me pulne wala spineless lap dog

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    Observer Reply:

    @Rizwan

    Shan suffers from multiple personality disorder. He is sick. Most take sis he was in Pakistani army in Bangladesh crisis. Therefore his obsession with RAPE. Now filling guilty about it heabuses everybody including prophet Mohammed, who has nothing to do with his predicament.

    We can not help him, may be our IN BLOG Dr. MISHRA from UK can treat him.

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    Observer Reply:

    @Rizwan

    Shan suffers from multiple personality disorder. He is sick. My take is that he was in Pakistani army in Bangladesh during the crisis, and was guilty of crimes there. Therefore his obsession with RAPE. Now filling guilty about it as his time of facing music, he blames everybody about it abuses everybody including prophet Mohammed, who has nothing to do with his predicament. But one thing he does not accept is his personal responsibility.

    We can not help him, may be our IN BLOG Dr. MISHRA from UK can treat him.

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    shan Reply:

    Prophet mohammad has everything to do with the predicament of OBSERVER of porns in abbottabad , and all his followers , for they have been made to sell their soul and brain to FIVE PILLARS /SUBMISSION.

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  • Rizwan

    doc Pankaj, Manohar, Mr Shenoy, Vijay, Kushagra
    please do not ever reply to ravi or tajender
    you do not know what they did to Zia’s blog- they destroyed it totally
    this is verbal violence

    VINOD JI- THIS BLOG WILL BECOME A SEPTIC TANK UNLESS SOME TOXIC BLOGGERS ARE BANNED. aap badey hain, you know who they are

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    I would 100% agree that this blog has become something like a cesspit.

    I notice that you quoted a number of quotes which in your view contributed to this decline.

    However, as is normal when you pontificate, you select a starting point as well as choose quotes which serve your own personal agenda.

    Just in case your selections were not deliberate and were just a product of laziness.

    Here, I have collected some for your convenience. I have included dates in most cases, so that you are able to comprehend chronology.

    Regards

    Ravi

    ____________________________________________________________

    B.V.SHENOY says:
    May 20, 2011 at 10:48 am
    Dear Friends,

    Ravi was almost forced out of this blog due to your sustained demand, before Prabhat took him under his wings for a course in rehabilitation as for a drug addict. Now, this Tur-d has become such a nuisance and a source of constant irritation that it has become impossible for decent bloggers to keep our cool and not resort to cheap vulgar language, which is exactly what he wants us to do.

    I am therefore calling upon all of you to launch another campaign to throw this SCUM out.

    JAI HIND
    JAI BHARAT

    +++++++++++++

    In the earlier blog, we had discussed Osama’s spermiscuous orgistic life with his young wives and how the fake Ravi was employed for cleaning up the mess.

    Your above post is the intellectual equivalent of Osma’s physical orgy. Sad that we don’t have Ravi here to clean up. Will you ask the Taj-fakeTur-d to do the job for you?

    +++++++++++++
    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    May 25th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Balwinderji,

    for once you have cracked a real joke about Ravi getting ghandooed by Osamaji. Now they can have 36 virgins each.

    ++++++++

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    May 25th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Vijay Kumar,

    @ Balwinder and Shenoy,

    Err… do you think Ravi will end up as the sixth wife (?) of Osama ???

    Or, may be as the midwife?

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    +++++++++

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    May 26th, 2011 at 12:11 am

    @ Shenoy\\

    Are you suggesting that a creature called Ravi-bin – loda will soon come to earth?

    ++++++++++

    Vijay Kumar says:
    May 25, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    ~ ~~ T URD-INDER PROVES THAT THE ISI IS A DUMB CRUMBLING ORGANISTION~~ ~~

    ++++++++++

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    May 31st, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    @ Ravi

    Seems ****-endar the fake has sodomised ur brain…

    +++++++++

    Rajeev Reply:

    May 31st, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    “Arrey bhai hum to dhood petey yadav hain”

    Speaks volumes about your casteist brahmin brain..

    Why the way, are you done giving BJ to Amar Singh (thakur)?

    ++++++++++

    Kushagra says:
    May 31, 2011 at 4:10 am
    @Ravi – Diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of the ideas.

    +++++++++++

    Kushagra says:
    May 31, 2011 at 4:17 am
    @ Pakinder – Enough for today, go back to your cage now.

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    +++++++++++

    Vijay Kumar says:
    May 31, 2011 at 10:07 am
    @ EWveryone

    EEEEEEEEKSSS Fake Tajendar the TUR-D is climbing out of the WC again !!

    Let’s flush him…. whooosh!!!

    He now flows into the sewer called Pak-shit-stan !!

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    ++++++++++++

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  • Shoeb K

    This blog is about corruption of politicians in India. However, Pakistanis like Tejnder ad Ravi have succeeded in making this a discussion on (as usual) Manusmriti, Brahmanism etc (nobody in India knows what these are; looks like Pakistan is still in whatever century to talk about Manusmriti), others have fallen for that..

    I request Mr Sharma to block Tejinder.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb K

    Would you not like me to be banned.

    Why am I recieving favourable treatment.

    I request Mr Sharma to Ban Ravi as well.

    My street cred needs some boost

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dr. Mishra,

    this compilation of various descriptions for a 60 year old Pakistani terrorist Muslim taking the name of an Indian, Ravi is absolutely apt. He is so much psychologically affected by his life long brain washing as a terrorist that he has shamelessly taken a Hindu/Sikh name and he has actually begged people on this blog to believe him when he said he is a Sikh! These P.akis have no shame and no guts. Which is why they take fake Hindu and Sikh names and beg people to believe them.

    At the cost of getting his prophet insulted and blasphemied, he will indulge in Hindu bashing, encouraged by the silence of Shri Vinod Sharma.

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    Ravi Reply:

    B.V. Shenoy

    Yes it is apt because it is coming from a HINDU FUNDO who has not only been brain washed by the RSS/BJP PR machine. He seems to be frontal lobe lobotomised.

    I don’t give a tinker’s curse what you believe in.

    But days when you could poop here with impunity are over.

    Learn to live with it.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Ravi

    Looks like your boss is giving new stories every day. What a pickle they are in..

    May be you are not aware of one fact – The way things are, if one has to choose between a Hindoo fundo and a Muslim fundo, one will always choose a Hindoo fundo. Your fundos are working over time!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Raju

    Sad that you have to make that choice.

    The trouble HINDU FUNDOS will cause will look no different from that you are witnessing from the Islamist Fundo’s.

    For me, I will rather world was rid of all religious fundos.

    You choose what you like.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    After begging people here to accept him as a Hindu/Sikh and failed, this Pakistani terrorist, Ravi, has now moved into the self-destruct mode. He may anytime press the trigger.

    Rajeev Reply:

    There is only one way to tackle Ravi.
    Do not read and react to his posts? If Vinod want to host a Al-Qaeda sympathiser, we can do nothing about it.

  • Raju Kurien

    Journalist Saleem Shazad’s murder in Islamabad -

    The rumour is that he is killed by a faction (bad) of ISI/army to show their muscles to the other faction (“good”) of army who was feeding news outlets about what really happened in Mehran naval base.

    The country is exploding; I have a bridge to sell to anybody who believes that the nukes are safe. The rogue army guys/terrorists will use these – in India and USA. The clock is ticking

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Vinod ji
    Vinod ji
    Vinod ji

    Are you proud of what this blog has become. Only 4 people have had the courage to say that ALL must desist from abuse and that some people – at least 3 in my opinion need to be banned- if this blog is not to become TOXIC FUMES.
    These 4 gentlemen are-
    Rajiv with an I
    Mishraji
    Shoeb
    Riswan.

    For the general muslim bashers – pl note that 2 of the above names are muslims- both very patriotic, well read, well to do- the face of modern India.

    Vinod ji, yeh blog aapka bagicha hai. Hum yahaan gulaab ki khushboo lene aatey hain, nai ki sewage ki stench.

    If the pests who have hurled the most disgusting abuse on Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan and all victims of 2611, can be allowed to continue to contribute here, then sir I feel like handing back my OCI card in disgust.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    ban- tajender, ravi and the one hindu here who has always insulted the prophet, quran and muslims

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Balwinder-

    I did not see the disgracing of Major Sandeep and other 26/11 victims. Who hurled the abuse?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Balwinder Sandhu
    I have already decided to banish Tajender and that will be happening soon. For more you wait a bit as I am trying to set up a dialogue to draw up rules of conduct on this blog.
    Pyareon jat maidaan chad ke nahin bhajde :) )

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    dR Pankaj and shenoy
    Sir, I like you but you have disappointed me.
    shenoy saab, I come here to delight of your poetic golgappas, not to see your rage.
    doc saab- doctors should NEVER indulge in slugfests.
    pl sir, IGNORE RAVI AND TAJENDER- neech ke mooh nahin lagte
    GOODBYE ALL FOR NOW

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    you must have read most of my posts in the last six months. I have never needed to descend to street level to put forth my views. But denigrating Hindus/Sikhs, India, its martyrs, advocazting Pakistani terror, jihad, gloating over ISI’s successes, these are all the things I hate from the bottom of my heart and my responses in this blog as also the previous one are proof of my convictions.

    However, I agree with you that Ravi and Tajender are bilkul neech.

    I also bid my own goodbye

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    Ravi Reply:

    B. V. Shenoy Raja ke sar pe sing, Raja ke sar pe sing

    Coming from a Makorda this is rich.

    Do you have any proof, I challenge you.

    Or are you just “Accuse and Run” variety.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Ignore this guy…He is new to internet and is suddenly all thrilled.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod sharma, Rajeev and Shenoy

    Since the e-mail address of one Pak-shit-stani brainwashed superturd is being asked for her is what I got from my source in RAW

    Superturd.writing.Porno.@ISI.com

    :D :D :D HA HA HA

    Rajeev Reply:

    :) Vijay, you are something..

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay rani, you definately are something, however not very good something because you are little more than an Internet Hindu, a bully from the back streets of Pahar Ganj.

    I am sure you know by now that the email address resolves to:

    rightroylaromance@shinvijay.RSS.

    :) , ;) , :) , Hi Hi Hi.

    Good game, Good game.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Everyone especially Rajeev

    superturd.writing..porno@ISI.com shows the fears that when Indians balkanize Pak-shit-stan, the ISI agents will be asked to write porno to vent out their frustration/ :D

    Remember 71?? The funnily named Yahoo Khan was telling the Pakistanis that their army was about tho enter Rashtrapati bhavan in Delhi while inreality AAK Niazi was bending down before brave soldiers like Rajeev’s father in Bangladesh !! :D

    Today I superturds shaken by the fear of balkanisatin have been asked by the ISI to write porno to keep themselves happy !! :D

    shan Reply:

    he he has fallen of his chair for the umpteenth time , as he had one drink too many

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Raju, I did not want to come back but to answer your question the offending email was removed by vinodji.
    and there lies the Indian disease of weakness- post removed but not the person who made it. An Indian govermint style- haaan hum dekhenge, baad mein kuch nahin hota.
    Who posted it – does it matter if it was ravi or tajender

    VINODJI, what reallu angered me was your ’samjhana’ to tajender, and his sort of apology to u.

    THE BEST PAKISTANI NEWSPAPERS- EXPRESS TRIBUNE AND PAK TEA HOUSE- MODERATE ALL LETTERS- you can criticise Pakistan there freely, but you abuse their religion or their martyrs- AND THEY BAN YOU

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Balwinder Sandhu
    I take your point. But each one of us has a way of doing things. Please be a little patient. Don’t quit or else you’d concede the game to scumsters.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Balwinder,
    Have you ever posted anything on the TOPIC? EVER?

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    The problem with Islam is, it destroys the native culture and same thing happened with “SEPARETED @ BIRTH”
    so moral of the story “where there is Islam there is no peace”

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Headline on CNN-IBN website

    “Desperate to stop Ramdev’s proposed fast, three Cabinet ministers met him at the airport.”

    Hey Baba reham karo
    Sarkar jayegi
    naukri jayegi
    Kamayee band hogi
    Hey Baba reham karo
    BJP ayegi
    Desh mein Khushali ayegi
    phir se imaandari dikhegi
    hamari barbadi ayegi
    hamare peeche police ayegi
    Sonia Bibi kahaan jayengi
    Hey Baba reham karo

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  • Shoeb K

    Cheer up guys! Read this NY Times artice.. visible changes, aspirations, growth.. A country with confident people charting their growth.. (and no conspiracy theories)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/opinion/29kristof.html

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    It is interesting — an American reporter finds it unbelievable 1/3rd of Indian population is led by Women chief ministers.

    And we sort of do not find any anomaly — it is natural for us. (while the female infanticide goes on in parts of India!)

    Thanks Shoeb– quite insightful.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    But what are these women-
    1. Sonia Gandhi – Super PM but with no responsibility. Has never given any live press conf. or interview. She is protector of corrupt in our country.
    2. Mayawati – She has broken all records of corruption.
    3. Jayalalitha – Same as Maya
    4. Mamta – A good leader fit for OPPOSITION and we are yet to see how she performs as CM
    5. Sheila Dixit – Involved in CWG scam. Insensitive to sex crimes in Delhi.

    Our women leader are no better than men leaders…After all both share corrupt genes.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    well, it is natural for ordinary men nd women to be corrupt.. Either we have a system to punish tyhem (which we do not) or have an electoral system to defeat them (looks like we are moving in that track)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Gopi,
    What I meant was that getting ruled by women or men is not important. The most important thing is how clean is the administration.

  • Praveen Saxena

    Mr Vinod Sharma wrote

    I am against caste that sustains the brahminical order. That is why I oppose the BJP at the risk of being called a Congress sympathiser. The BJP is a brahiminical party which treats Brahmins like me who are opposed to it, like the Muslim League treated Maulana Azad.
    Now you’d know why I have so many bhagwas seeking to character assassinate me on this site. But I aren’t worried. I am a punjabi first.
    Cheers

    Mr Sharma we can see there is a Brahmin there and a ” Punjabi first ” ….so the ” Indian” got lost somewhere on the way …
    And how come your Congress is such a close ally of the same Muslim League ?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Pravin-

    Mus;im league is on “congress throats” in kerala. They declared an additional minister without consulting with the coalition leader, congress. Muslim League knows that congress on its own can not win more than 15 or so assembly seats in kerala. So, they are exerting their pounds of flesh.. It will be inteersting how things turn out…

    The sad thing is that Kunjalikutty, the corrupt Muslim league leader who was/is involved in the “ice ceram parlour” case, involving the trafficking (and death of two girls), is the leader of the Muslim League in assembly, and is given an important ministry. The jsutification given by congress – Kunjalikutty is not sentenced by the court.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Yeah Gopi and all this by a party which lays claim to the sole proprietory Right to Gandhiji’s political legacy.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    Oh, you think you have made a great point. Congrats …..

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    rajiv Reply:

    I see some say BJP is
    a party of traders and shop keepers
    some say its a party of khatris and punjabis
    now some claiming
    its a party of brahmins

    Maybe all of them are right, which also makes all of them wrong.
    Its not good and neither correct that caste is being sometimes introduced in this discussions as a reaction to trash postings by tajinder.
    The major political partis, Congress, BJP both have fair representation cutting accross such lines.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    Just as in the UK every person has a RACE, similarly in India everyone has a CASTE.

    In the UK, rightly or wrongly, public perception is that the Labour party is less racist than the Conservative party is, but both parties have Racist elements among them. Same could be said about the Democrats and Republicans in the USA.

    Similarly, the public perception is that the Congress Party is less Casteist than the BJP is, but both parties have Casteist elements among them.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Caste is much less relevent in urban India ( except for marriage ) than race is.
    When I went to school and college, caste of the students , friends , was totally irrelevent.

    The first time, I became aware of importance of castes is when applying for Engineering colleges and found out that some castes had special quotas and reservations.

    So yes, castism in India would die a natural death, there is tremendous amount of inter-caste marriages now. Its being kept alive by caste based reservations and quotas.

    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    I would agree that Caste is losing its demonic influence in the metropolitan India. I am delighted that it is.

    However, a very large proportion of India is rural India, where Dalits are treated abysmally.

    That is also true of Racism in the West. It is less obvious in big cities but rural England is still an unwelcoming place to coloured people. I would not put it any stronger than that.

    I am not sure if I read your last sentence correctly, I gather you may not approve of Caste based positive discrimination. That is just another debate.

    shan Reply:

    In uk conservative party =english nationalism, full stop.
    who is english. WHITE, lives in england with english parents , anglosaxon protestant.
    There are lots in Conservative party who do not fulfill the above criteria , just as there are MUSLIMS in BJP.

  • Vijay Kumar

    Rajiv,

    I think we should renew our dialogue on how to balkanize Pakistan. As India Today reported in its latest issue, the Islamic terrorsits have made six attacks on nuclear installations and boomb stoarage sites of Pakistan.

    It is quite possible that Queeda men or suicde bombers from LeT would get to assemble a dirty bomb soon. It is necessary to get all he propoganda ready to get the world to disassemble Pakistan!!

    I think Osma’s porno watching habits as well as the woeful habit of keeping multiple wives to destroy women’s rights could be a good way to foment discontent.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    There is no doubt that the Islamists are after getting their hands on a Nuclear Device and it is in everyone’s interest, particularly India’s, that they are stopped from achieving their objective.

    However, I am not sure how breaking up of Pakistan will help us to ensure that the Islamists do not get what they want.

    On the contrary, the breaking up of Pakistan may inadvertently help the Islamist’s cause.

    Apart from unnecessary abuse this sentence; “I think Osma’s porno watching habits as well as the woeful habit of keeping multiple wives to destroy women’s rights could be a good way to foment discontent. “ is just twaddle which speaks volumes about you and adds nothing to what is already known about OBL.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Vijay/Rajiv

    The probability and possibility are quite high that the terrorists of Pak will get hold of nuclear assets.

    With the torture killing of Salim Zhhed, news have been filtering out about the internal fight between the pro militant and anti militant factions within army/ISI.

    So, there are three “India nuking” possibulities – 1) Terrorist 2) Bad actors within army and 3) The Pak army itself when the country drifts beyond repair. The first two are highly likely now; and the third most probably in few months if Pakistan contunues its abyss.

    How will we prevent 1 and 2? There can be an expensive anti-missile shield for the 3rd.

    India is facing an indirect existential threat while Pakistan is facing its existential threat (but with no internal concensus on why and for whom Pakistan should exist)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    It is imperitve that all the truth about these fake Islamic prophets like Hafeez saeed, Masood Azhar and Osma Bin Loda should be given wide publicity.

    Let us go into the suicde bomber’s mind. Why would any normal person blow himself up and want to blow the world ? Here is a possible list of reasons

    a) he is fed on lies of the “perfect’ lives his leaders like Masood azhar, Dawood ibrahim or Osama lead

    b) in abnormal cuntries like Pakistan, the state uses international funds for say earthquake relief to train terrorists to claim more funds for eradicating terrorism. Therefore the brainwashing schools are preaching hatred against all other sects and religions.

    c) Promises of jannat after killing innocents.

    So to combat all this, we really need to “REVERSE BRAINWASH” the Pakistani youth. And the firt rung of the ladder is to discredit its religious clergy which creates jehad.

    Osama’s porno watching and herbal viagra will demolish his image more than volumes of books of reason.

    even on this blog we see some brainwashed Tur-ds preaching hatred and destroying the whole blog. I think we need to understanf this psychology and act. :D

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    All those r true, and fixing them is a long term effort both by Pak and others.

    In the meantime, the threat of nukes is real and present and imminent.

    What should India do? How will it protect?

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    The first issue still is demolishing the thought which makes men become suicide bombers, And jehadis so intolerant as to think of destructing the entire world.

    Gopi this is a psychological battle. We need to discredit all the ideological heroes who are the cause of Pakistani violence. Remember Hitler’s Germany?

    The same Germans stopped being Nazis after Hitler’s death. The First and foremost issue is to expose… expose and expose…

    a) Expose the mistreatment of the girl child by the islamic fundos.

    b) demolish their heroes like Osama and hafeez Saeed. Or even the foot soldiers. Osama’s obnoxius porno watching would demolish the prophet like status given to him by jehadis.

    c) Remember the handlers of 26/11 were just ordinary ISI agents. Not supermen. yet the stories they weaved of jannat, induced the Kafirs to come and attack india and pine for death.
    We need to demolish this battle the ISI was winning.

    d) Even on this blog you would notice that fake Tajendra and real Moot Andar Tur-d keeps spewing gibberish, just showing the level of brainwashing. So this is not going to be an easy battle.

    SO WHILE WE DO EVRYTHING TO DISASSEMBLE PAKISTAN, WE NEED TO FIGHT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL BATTLE ALSO… ::D :D

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I think there is a lot of sense in what Vijay Rani is saying.

    What seems to be missing is any sense of realism or practicality.

    So here is my attempt at injecting some sense into this outstanding proposal. Its merits are so many that I am hoping the Indian Government is monitoring this blog, as it may learn some thing here. Such original thought needs to be commended.

    In order to achieve that here is what we should do.

    a) Replace Islamic lies, with Hindu lies, about the good deeds of RSS, Praveen Togadia, Golimarkar, etc. Every one knows our lies are much better than their lies. We will get Lata Mangeshkar to sing these lies.

    b) We should insist on a 10% foreign investment levy, which should then be used training our youth to violently combat terrorism coming from Pakistan. We should send Mr Modi for fund raising trip to the USA, it appears he is quite popular among, Indians living in the USA.

    c) We should stop there water, so that life is hell here on earth and as they thirst for water, we say no Jannat for you mate.

    d) We should enrol the services of King of Saudi Arabia and see if he would fund the replacement programme for Madrassa’s. Where there is Madrassa, we should have a RSS Shakha.

    So to combat all this what we need to do is super implant our BRAIN WASHING on top of the BRAIN WASHING done by the Mullahs.

    We should provide fake vegetarian Viagra, so that we can educate them about the medicinal value of Karela.

    As you know we the Saffron Brigade used to have this blog all to ourselves, now we have to understand the psychology of opposition.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Gopi,
    Please ignore terrorist sympathiser Ravi.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Ignore this superturd. he is a prime example of the low level of ISI brainwashing :D

    Anybody who wants to communicate to this superturd directly can email directly

    superturd.writing.porno@ISI.com :) :)

    HA HA

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Please do not occupy the Royal Couple, they need all their enregies for coital bliss.

    Send your belssings to.

    coitalbliss@raja&rani.RSS.

    :) , ;) , ;) , Hee Hee.

    Good game, Good game.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi superturd :D

    shoo shoo

    A serious discussion is on to disassemble Pak-shit-stan. I think you should spend as many nights with the intellectually challenged ****-endar before he is despatched to Pakistan- II (sindh and mohajirstan) while you stick to Pakistan 1 (Punjab) and the brave Afghans take pakistan iii (pashtunistan).

    Of course you can also spend the time writing low grade porno on this blog which nobody enjoys except Moot andar Tur-d. Man the ISI will down grade you soon.

    Imagine Osama is having fun with 73 while you are washing the TUR-D :D :D

    You can contact Osama at get.jannat@ISI.suicidebombing.com :D :D :D

  • http://- Rajeev

    The only way this blog can be restored is by-
    1. Vinod should only limit his subject to indo-pak relations and not talk about Indian politics.
    2. Vinod should take position that a journalist takes, not the one propagandist takes.
    3. Religion should be strictly banned from all discussion unless it is required to discuss a topic.
    4. Non-debaters like Balwinder & Rizwan should just read and not post on this blog.
    5. We should discourage gangs who go after one person because intellectually they can not defeat him (eg. Balwinder & gang after Shan).
    6. Everyone with fake identity should rethink their position because if they keep posting vile abuses against India and hinduism, they will be responded back in kind. This is the real reason why this blog is in such a mess.
    7. Anybody supporting any kind of terrorism should be banned without discussion.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    waah! kyaa baat hai. ulTaa chor kotwaal ko daa.nTe.

    Second waah. Advising Vinodji as to what he should write and not write. Are you the owner of this blog by any chance?

    Third waah. Only those abusing India and Hinduism to be penalised and be paid back in kind. What about those who abuse other religions, journalists, political parties other than the BJP, those who oppose the RSS/BJP and many more? How should they be paid back?

    Fourth waah. Telling others as to whether they should post comments or be only readers Looks like you and your types are looking for a free run. By any chance are you trying to establish a “RSS Rashtra” here on this blog?

    The real reason this blog is in a mess because of people which includes you.

    A little homely to you – practice before you preach.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Well said.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Terrorist Ravi,
    You have now become so desperate for support that you are almost begging everyone to rescue you.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Waah…Where did you come from Manohar_T…Waah…another fake..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Manohar_T,
    Let me tell you that I have no sympathy for RSS..for me they are pajama chhaap public same as jamatis.

    Secondly proxies like you who post here just to defend congress are the one who make every debate meaningless. I also don’t have sympathy for BJP but compared to Congress, BJP is roadside thief.

    You better start reading things in context. I only retaliate when your friends like Ravi ask hindus to drink Pee…

    Kahan Kahan se chale aate hein munh uthaa kar…

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    How did you guess that I am a fake? To tell you the “truth”, I am. Actually, I am an Eskimo, as such I live in an igloo in the Arctics and my name is veejaR.

    If you find debates meaningless, then you have an option – just scoot. Exercising it will help you save precious time (if any) of yours.

    No sympathy for RSS and BJP! Hard to believe, judging by the your various other posts, where you defend them to the hilt. I have no problem with that. You are entitled to support any organisation/party of your choice – just do not attempt to “hide the fact” or be “coy” about it, as it is no crime to be so or their proxy.

    “pataa nahi.n kahaa.n se chalaa aayaa hai.n Rajeev.munh uThaa kar, samajh baiThaa hai ki yeh blog uski apni jaagir hai aur doosro.n ke liye niyam banaane mei.n lagaa huaa hai”. Should I say, waah, again?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Your sudden appearence on this blog to protect Vinod and Ravi speaks volumes about your true identity.

  • http://- Rajeev
  • http://- Rajeev

    An appeal-
    Where did Manohar_T and Prabhat come from? Are they real people or some proxy? We have never heard them before but they participate in this forum as if they know all the background.

    It is time to shun the fakes especially Ravi, Tajinder, Manohar_T and Prabhat…

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  • Observer

    @Tajender,

    If you insist on using Hindu or Sikh name then we will have to call you Tajonder [ crown rat]

    It would be better if you change your name to Tajuddin or Tajuddin Yazdil.

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  • Ravi

    Vinod Sharma Ji

    Enough is enough.

    I think I have made my point.

    I will unilaterally cease fire, and focus on serious matters.

    I am still awaiting your email.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    Rajeev Reply:

    and what is your point?

    You support terrorism…don’t you?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Well Vinod;
    This is your blog and this is also your prerogative whom to allow and whom not to allow.Let us go some time in past, if you remember, I advised you, after a particular nasty exchange of words with some one, I told you to not to lose temper and just ignore that guy. You appreciated me. After that, I have been urging every one, including my friends on this blog to maintain the decorum of this blog, if not in this blog, then in the last one. I even suggested to people to be decent with Ravi and Tajender. One weapon with me, is to ignore them. but a constant refrain from Tajender about brahmanst, caste and other fault lines of Indian society is with deliberate mischief, there is nothing constructive there. Now, with a supporter of this ogre, you seem to be comfortable and hope that he can contribute to blog. In my eyes, you are farther from the reality. This supporter was so much enamoured of T. that he opted to leave the blog rather than seeing him blocked. Yeh jugalbandi, aap ko nahin dikhi? and you mentioned vijay and Shenoy vis a vis T. and his supporter. Shenoy ,Vijay and Rajeev, only react, I have been following this blog now since long, so no confusion there.
    These fake leftists, having pain of down trodden, that is a blind, behind which, they are hunting nationalists only. My trust gave a million rupees for old age home in india, where, irrespctive of cast, religion and gender, old people find shelter and succour. These internet champions have nothing to contribute towards downtrodden, except to spread hatred. Just look at their reactions, when ever criminal muslims or Pakistan are criticized, they come up in their defence. So enough of this dramabazi from them. I use to ignore T., but constant low volume music from him is distracting and once in a while one loses once control.
    Very busy I am just now, but I had to get this out of my chest.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay and Shenoy contribute in a sarcastic manner but they are never vulgar unless provoked. They also have healty repartees with you and pull your leg, whenever they feel like it but again, never in a vulgar/ offensive way.
    I hope you would not like to have a blog where only people calling you Hraday Samrat are postings. That will make this blog so inane.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    You can not use sword against a gun. You need a gun to defend yourself from gun. I did same. I do regret that choice but there is limit. Many people with fake identities made fun of Indians on 26/11 and even justified terrorist attacks on India. Then these people graduated to making fun of Hindus and India. I have seen this pattern so many times while interacting with pro-terrorist PEOPLE, I have lost all patience for these kind of people.
    The hindus have become a punching bag for everyone, even for so called liberal hindus. I hardly ever go to the temple and totally irreligious but last few years have made me realise that hindu as a COMMUNITY are taken for granted. Everyone expects hindus to absorb all kinds of insults but keep smiling. India is a soft nation not because of our govt. but because of hindu nature of tolerance.
    I am happy that hindus don’t waste time on religion and rightly so but we are becoming just like our minorities day by day..intolerant and angry but it is more reactionary in nature. I want hindus to revert back to the days when we never talked about religion.

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  • Rajiv

    ———————————————————————————————————————————-
    Reportedly this is the news story that resulted in the brutal murder of Pak newsman Mr Shahzad allegedly by Pak ISI.
    ————————————————————————————————————————————

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME27Df06.html

    AN ASIA TIMES ONLINE EXCLUSIVE
    Al-Qaeda had warned of Pakistan strike
    By Syed Saleem Shahzad

    This is the first article in a two-part report.

    ISLAMABAD – Al-Qaeda carried out the brazen attack on PNS Mehran naval air station in Karachi on May 22 after talks failed between the navy and al-Qaeda over the release of naval officials arrested on suspicion of al-Qaeda links, an Asia Times Online investigation reveals.

    Pakistani security forces battled for 15 hours to clear the naval base after it had been stormed by a handful of well-armed militants.

    At least 10 people were killed and two United States-made P3-C

    Orion surveillance and anti-submarine aircraft worth US$36 million each were destroyed before some of the attackers escaped through a cordon of thousands of armed forces.

    An official statement placed the number of militants at six, with four killed and two escaping. Unofficial sources, though, claim there were 10 militants with six getting free. Asia Times Online contacts confirm that the attackers were from Ilyas Kashmiri’s 313 Brigade, the operational arm of al-Qaeda.

    Three attacks on navy buses in which at least nine people were killed last month were warning shots for navy officials to accept al-Qaeda’s demands over the detained suspects.

    The May 2 killing in Pakistan of Osama bin Laden spurred al-Qaeda groups into developing a consensus for the attack in Karachi, in part as revenge for the death of their leader and also to deal a blow to Pakistan’s surveillance capacity against the Indian navy.

    The deeper underlying motive, though, was a reaction to massive internal crackdowns on al-Qaeda affiliates within the navy.

    Volcano of militancy
    Several weeks ago, naval intelligence traced an al-Qaeda cell operating inside several navy bases in Karachi, the country’s largest city and key port.

    “Islamic sentiments are common in the armed forces,” a senior navy official told Asia Times Online on the condition of anonymity as he is not authorized to speak to the media.

    “We never felt threatened by that. All armed forces around the world, whether American, British or Indian, take some inspiration from religion to motivate their cadre against the enemy. Pakistan came into existence on the two-nation theory that Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations and therefore no one can separate Islam and Islamic sentiment from the armed forces of Pakistan,” the official said.

    “Nonetheless, we observed an uneasy grouping on different naval bases in Karachi. While nobody can obstruct armed forces personnel for rendering religious rituals or studying Islam, the grouping [we observed] was against the discipline of the armed forces. That was the beginning of an intelligence operation in the navy to check for unscrupulous activities.”

    The official explained the grouping was against the leadership of the armed forces and opposed to its nexus with the United States against Islamic militancy. When some messages were intercepted hinting at attacks on visiting American officials, intelligence had good reason to take action and after careful evaluation at least 10 people – mostly from the lower cadre – were arrested in a series of operations.

    “That was the beginning of huge trouble,” the official said.

    Those arrested were held in a naval intelligence office behind the chief minister’s residence in Karachi, but before proper interrogation could begin, the in-charge of the investigation received direct threats from militants who made it clear they knew where the men were being detained.

    The detainees were promptly moved to a safer location, but the threats continued. Officials involved in the case believe the militants feared interrogation would lead to the arrest of more of their loyalists in the navy. The militants therefore made it clear that if those detained were not released, naval installations would be attacked.

    It was clear the militants were receiving good inside information as they always knew where the suspects were being detained, indicating sizeable al-Qaeda infiltration within the navy’s ranks. A senior-level naval conference was called at which an intelligence official insisted that the matter be handled with great care, otherwise the consequences could be disastrous. Everybody present agreed, and it was decided to open a line of communication with al-Qaeda.

    Abdul Samad Mansoori, a former student union activist and now part of 313 brigade, who originally hailed from Karachi but now lives in the North Waziristan tribal area was approached and talks begun. Al-Qaeda demanded the immediate release of the officials without further interrogation. This was rejected.

    The detainees were allowed to speak to their families and were well treated, but officials were desperate to interrogate them fully to get an idea of the strength of al-Qaeda’s penetration. The militants were told that once interrogation was completed, the men would be discharged from the service and freed.

    Al-Qaeda rejected these terms and expressed its displeasure with the attacks on the navy buses in April.

    These incidents pointed to more than the one al-Qaeda cell intelligence had tracked in the navy. The fear now was that if the problem was not addressed, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supply lines could face a new threat. NATO convoys are routinely attacked once they begin the journey from Karachi to Afghanistan; now they could be at risk in Karachi port. Americans who often visit naval facilities in the city would also be in danger.

    Therefore, another crackdown was conducted and more people were arrested. Those seized had different ethnic backgrounds. One naval commando came from South Waziristan’s Mehsud tribe and was believed to have received direct instructions from Hakeemullah Mehsud, the chief of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistan Taliban). Others were from Punjab province and Karachi, the capital of Sindh province.

    After Bin Laden was killed by American Navy Seals in Abbottabad, 60 kilometers north of Islamabad, militants decided the time was ripe for major action.

    Within a week, insiders at PNS Mehran provided maps, pictures of different exit and entry routes taken in daylight and at night, the location of hangers and details of likely reaction from external security forces.

    As a result, the militants were able to enter the heavily guarded facility where one group targeted the aircraft, a second group took on the first strike force and a third finally escaped with the others providing covering fire. Those who stayed behind were killed.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    I think you are right !

    not everyone has the time to kill cockroaches and low grade porno writers. I took up the task only because I had hung on to this blog for the past two years and thought it was a pity that vulgar obscenities uttered by a few desperados were killing the spirit out here.

    Somewhere lately this blog had started reminding me of the punjab of the early 80’s, where a clearly ISI defined agenda of hurting Hindu feelings was on. Moot Andar hussain Tur-d blogging under the name of Fake Tajendar was spewing nonsense nobody read; Ravi Superturd claiming that he was an NRI sikh was trying to destroy the rythem of discussions with dialogues which nobody read. Finally they had to step down to low grade insults and attempts at porno– which again nobody probably read. :D

    however at a higher level we need to refocus on Pakistan. It is not just our enemy but of the entire world now. This cuntry counld well pollute the entire world with nuclear radiation. I think we need to gather all the lobbies in the world to de-nuke it.

    And if required disassemble it into smaller pieces for its own good.

    This was Charlie Wilson’s war started by the US which esulted in such a situation. However now we need to use the US to achieve our ends ….

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  • Rajiv

    Pak army/ISI feared that the repurcussions of the news story from Saleem could be disastorous for Pak army/navy if US suspected that al-qaida cells were active within the army/navy and their visiting personnel were exposed to the dangers. It could bring the entire US-Pak army/navy interaction to a paralysis.

    So as per news items, Saleem was asked to retract his story. This was not the first time that Saleem Shehzad has been summoned by ISI and threatened to reveal sources or change his story to the way ISI wanted.

    Saleem had 3 kids, ages 12,13 14. This brutal, cold blooded murder after torture has send shock waves in the pak journalistic community. its anathor horrendous crime by ISI against its own citizenry.
    Anyway, one must applaud the courage of Mr Shehzad to continue to report , despite so many threats from ISI.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    It is people like Mr Shehzad who will be remembered, the anonymous thugs of ISI will are mindless villains.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    rajiv, although I hv left the blog, one tip please- just provide link pl do not copy and paste- or provide summary. nice article anyway
    Gopi sir- why on earth are you coming down to tajender’s level by disc sodomy- rss vs muslims

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Dr mishra

    I think the articles Rajiv posts are intersting to us all. N o harm in posting the entire article…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I guess Mishra doesn’t understand that if only linked are posted, people tend to overlook the post altogether.

  • Rizwan

    to copy Balwinder paaji, although why he writes so, is beyond me. Anyway, here goes,-

    Vinodji
    Vinodji
    Vinodji

    You have lost total control of your blog. Heard of Lord of the flies ? Or Big Boss.

    G O O D B Y E

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  • Gopi Thomas

    tajender,

    On this one I have to disagree with you! Muslims are the greatest sodomizers (in fact in Nortrhern Pakistan men can marry boys!) In fact in kerala people joke about “avan koyante kutti aanu” (He is Koya’s boy; Koya being a vernacular name for Muslim men).

    So RSS is in good company — bhai bhai… now you can stiop your venom

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv

    I think we should allow all Pakistani journalists who need asylum to remain alive to come to india. They will be our firends to re-configure Pakistan…

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Vijay,
    Yes on humanitarian grounds journalists and Baluch civilian leadership or Pushton civilian leadership, who want a democratic, civilized state, shoud be given asylum.
    We did offer asylum to Tibettan leadership of Dalai Lama, to the Bangladeshi female writer, so why not Pakistani ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Same Taslima Nasreen poked fun at Sachin Tendulkar for visiting ailing Sathya Sai baba.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Well dont think someone is going to agree with u 100%. As long as they serve our larger vision of a reducing communal hatred in our neighbourhood … well they serve our purpose. :D

    Observer Reply:

    @Rajiv,

    Yes and then Teslima was forced out to please home grown Bengali jihadis.

    Taslima should say to Hindu CQ monkeys: “Thanks. but no thanks”

    with friends like Hindu CQs she does not need enemies.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    You want to give asylum to journalist like these…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neEvPBYdxfk

    Think again..

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Wew are fighting an abnormal situation. Except for th US, few in the world will take on this army of terrorists who are indoctrined from the age of 4.

    And the US had its own selfish limited reasons.

    In case if we get some– not all– Paksitani jouranlists to be on our sides we can use them as a resource to reverse brainwash the population. As it is the threat of nuclear leaks to damage the world’s environment is huge…

    Of course our “peaceful’ agenda should be served when we give asylum :D

    even the US demands that…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    I think you are mistaken here. Some of the pakistani journalist may be anti-establishment (Army-ISI) or pakistan but that does not mean that they are pro-India or even remotely sympathetic to India.
    Here I can take name of Najam Sethi who is very anti-establishment but his views on Kashmir is same as that of ISI. Then we have Hassan Nisar who is equally opposed to pakistani ISI-Army but he considers India to be greatest threat to Pakistan.
    Hamid Mir though very tolerant and decent compared to many pakistani journos, has same view on Kashmir.

    The mindset in pakistan is hardwired to hate India…the reason – They all consider that India is HINDU country and how can a muslim be friendly to be idol worshipping, urine drinking hindus.

  • Observer

    @TAJENDER

    OK Tajender ji it make sense. If your wife is happy with that name we will use that name, because we want her to be happy, so that you can spend more time presenting your arguments.

    See you in few days.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Where is proxy Prabhat? Who is the Manohar_T who knows all about the previous debates but is new to the blog?

    This blog is infested with fakes…Ravi started the trend ….now we have proxies preaching others.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    Sorry to hear you felt the need to leave this blog.

    If there is any one here who has more right to be here than I, then that is you.

    Many here look forward to your wisdom.

    Would it help if I were to leave?

    I want a truthful answer and not a political one.

    Just so you know. I will do as you advise.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Mishra
    Hope you can continue to visit and post occasionally

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mishra,
    I hope you continue to be peacemaker here.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Dr Mishra

    I dont think you should leave the domain in case some low grade ISI agents descend down to obsecnities. On the plus side you have tempted me to take a mediteranean cruise which I last did in 2004.

    However on a more serioous side I wonder why the CIA and the MI6 are not fighting a psychologival battle against brainwashed youth who blow themselves up. Maybe it would require some psychiatrists coming into the picture. The original reason for the brainwash was when the education system of Pakistan was reduced to a farce when the CIA introduced a school curriculam which taught a=ak47.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    A friendly bet. If you can show me any post, where Ihave used four letter words, against any body or cast a personal insult of vulgar nature, I will donate five hundred rupees(sending less will be more costly), for any charity of your choice. But if you could not show me any post, you donate 100 rupees to any charity of your choice. bet is on?
    Your one protege` offering me, Mootralaya ka pani, without me offering him .hit before or after. Even then, if you think, his contribution to blog is important, you be the judge.
    Friends;
    out of hundreds of blogs, world over, I am stuck here, because of you people. It does not only satisfy my ” Chhapas”" but give me chance to say something, importnt for me. Without you people, this blog will not be coveted blog.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    I patronize nobody on this blog. I value all of us equally regardless of what you think of me individually. Please don”t harbour any doubts that I have proxies or favourites here.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Another point for balkanization.
    Tibet was a buffer state during britisher’s time, China occupied it. World does not recognize this occupation, except for few nations. pakistan does., If pakistan agrees that British dispension as tibet, a buffer state is not acceptable to it, against british stand, durand line, which is a legacy of british raj, should also be disputed and pakistan has no right over it as british legacy.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “World does not recognize this occupation”

    I beg to disagree. If any country wants to have diplomatic relations with China, China NOW insist that they demonstrate their belief in ONE CHINA policy.

    India during Vajpayee time did that and few years back Brits too recognised Tibet’s occupation.

    Infact majority of the countries recognibe Tibet to be part of China.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    There are economical compulsions. A government in exile, at Dharamshals is present in India.Many influential Ameicans are pro Tibet. It is real politik, keep the Tibet cauldron stiriing, and China will not be able to concentrate on Arunachal. Otherwise, any body having mongoloid features, will be claimed as Chinese citizen. You are thinking bout China as invincible? You are under wrong impression. Details, I can give to you, if you want them.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    As of now most of the govts. recognize China’s occupations. Individual support for Tibet does not carry any weight in current geopolitical situation.

    But I agree with you that it is in our interest to keep Tibet pot boiling because sooner than later china will be forced to open up by its own citizen.

    China is actually not invincible but more unpredictable. US and other countries don’t mess with China because they are yet to understand how China will react. It has Nukes and ICBM. It is possible we can call china’s bluff but it will be full of risk.

    Please do share more info. in China because my area of interest is now more focussed on chinese activities. I predict that in a long run, China will head the group of countries who will be opposed to Democracy and freedom. I see Chinese-Islamic alliance in coming future. Russia may also be part of this alliance but it will be more like outside support. US is currently in deathly embrace with China economy-wise and India is going down the same path. This situation has made china more powerful that it actually is.

    I am certain that China has been helping Islamic nuts with Arms against US. According to latest info. Pakistan sources close to 75% of its military hardware from China.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    You are right.
    It has been predicted that there will be a sino-islamic alliance. But Russia will not be apart of it. what is needed is to join western alliance, though it may sound a bitter pill to us, specially to our leftists, but that is absolutely essential. I know, US interests are not 100% of indian interests, but we meet at several points. If you want to save India from islamists, it is essential to shake hands with much less evil. They are not as bad as perceived by many.

    Rajeev Reply:

    “You are thinking bout China as invincible? You are under wrong impression. Details, I can give to you, if you want them.”

    Please post the information that you are referring to here. You are right. Russia is too pragmatic to align with Islamists.

    I think India needs to align with west but at the same time forge an alliance with ASEAN countries and Japan which is independent of western influence.

    Did you hear about unrest in inner mongolia and how it was handled by Chinese? The chinese are running scared after arabian spring.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    China is strange/ not so strange a beast. It can be tackled. what is needed is little patience and self confidence. In last so many decades, india has acted as ” cant do any thing”, while a puny Vitenam has shown to China, not to take it for granted.

    shan Reply:

    @Pankaj and Rajeev, China invincible is a joke. remember the standoff at straits of taiwan. America sent its aircraft carrier , china withdrew its tails. Also vietnam gave china a good dressing down. CHINA HAS NO AIRCRAFT CARRIER, USA HAS NUCLEAR POWERED AIRCRAFT CARRIER. Only thing china has is NUKES AND ICBM. Has anybody seen the recently released spanish film BOTIFUL , starring Xavier bardem. PLEASE RENT IT FROM Love Films . You will see how mainland chinese are swamping europe , in this case spain.
    The reason , A toothpaste in my supermarket , TESCO , made in china cost 18 pence THAT IS ABOUT 14 RS. This is the reason one of the illegal immigrant’s boss says whatever the hardship they are facing in spain , THEY ARE STILL FAR BETTER OFF THAN WITH SLAVE WAGE.

    Observer Reply:

    Pankaj#1

    Actually India should not have recognized Communist China in 1949 Until China recognized Tibet’s Independence. Nehru with his ape level thinking made the mistake of recognizing China, when nobody outside communist block had recognized it. there was no much trade or anything. So his stupidity is inexcusable. Only more fatal Mistake he made was Kashmir issue.

    These errors created by Nehru and his gang of CQs an not be fiedd any time soon.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajeev, But Nancy Pelosi after her visit to dharamsala did say TIBET IS THE TEST OF HUMAN CONSCIENCE

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    Stick on. U R WANTED— DEAD OR ALIVE HERE !

    Conceding space to vulgar jehadis spouting nonsense from both ends serves their larger purpose !

    I think as long as these low grade porno writers are exposed as vilgar filth…. we are sending a message to the world. That the terrorists and the brainwashed will not be allowed to win… !!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Gnight everyone !! :D

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  • Rajiv

    On a seperate note

    Sania-Vesnina beat Huber-Raymond to enter French Open finals

    Thats great and comendable. I love playing tennis, so appreciate that achivement more.

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  • Mahesh

    Sharmaji,
    OK , the blog has been hijacked by anarchy borne out of the urge by various forces across political spectrum that intend to assert their *voice* and *right* to be heard out. While easier to take sides and add to *noise* at this poinet I would rather avoid the temptation.
    However, I still feel tempted to offer advice on *salvaging* the *blog situation* . Take it or leave it – no offence taken.
    1> As a first step – disable all blog comments on this blog temporarily (somewhere around two weeks should be ok). This should give you some breathing space.
    2> Once you have the required breathing space – come up with a set of guidelines on blog commenting that *you* think are fair. Remember, it is *your* blog – so you set the rules of fairness.
    3> Make sure the guidelines are *fair* and *universal* irrespective of Caste, Religion and – yes – nationality (Assuming you don’t want to restrict this blog as platform just for the Indians).
    4> Publish the guidelines and make them visible at a convenient place for easy accessibility .
    5> Lift the *embargo* on blog comments.
    6> Moderate / Filter out *comments* and not *users* that violate the blog guidelines. Feel free to filter out users pertaining to pathological cases that are chronic violators. Rest assured, though, that they will re-surface with different avatars.
    7> Finally, avoid “crowd-sourcing” of good and bad judgements. Remember, our own constitution – while for the crowd – was never crowd-sourced.
    A set of guidelines should be easy to enforce as these can be delegated and you yourself are not the bottle-neck.
    Hope this helps and am offering you something of any use at all.
    And finally , on a lighter note – if you ever plan to visit Mumbai, please feel free to drop me a mail in advance. Perhaps we could meet and I could fleece you for a drink or so. We Mumbaikars are “chaloo” enough lot that we rather feel proud to get our “khaatridaari” done by visiting “Mehmaans”.
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I am sorry to know that You preferred Vinod over me. I am still waiting for your reply to my post. I was in Bombay/ sorry, Mumbai, recently, having stayed in front of India Gate, feeling very lonely for couple of days, looking after my compny work. Whole india is my work place, but Mumbai is special. Top notch doctors in Mumbai are working for me. Hope to see you some time there.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    next time u r in Delhi check me out !

    Anyway what i was suggesting was a top notcch project for the CIA on how to fight this psychological battle with the mindset of suicide bombers. Unfortunately the US is not winning hearts even as it eradicates downright evil like Laden and Mehsud.

    The subcontinent is a place of eastern sensiblities. Plain rambos dont succeed here.

    We need to get in family values and also destroy the prophet like image of Osama. get in his porno watching habits which would stun the would be suicde bombers aged 14-18. De glorify murder of Ahemadis, hindus, Christians and sikhs…

    The CIA needs to be told that we really have to win this war for humanity, even if it means hanging in Pakistan for 20 years. :D

    getting doctors and psychiatrists to plan this agenda would be a hugely good thing…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Looks interesting Vijay. I only wish that, living in such a dangerous neighbourhood, Indians will understand the gravity of situation. Otherwise, history will repeat itself for the umpteenth time and we may lose India again.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I had responded to your message – just that somewhere while doing the post of message my connection broke down the message was lost. That said – I am OK continuing the discussion here , Nothing personal – and least of all being choosy with Sharmaji over you.
    Seriously, while I offered to meet Sharmaji for a drink in Mumbai it was for cheering up the low-down spirit at this blog, and he was kind / sporting enough in responding positively so as to not embarrass a anonymous blog commentator frequenting his blog. My own preference, though, would rather not meet Sharmaji or any other blog commentator here in person. The simple reason being – a personal rappo. would just about end up corrupting the discussion and end up blunting the edge of criticism we would normally exercise on critiquing each other’s positions. We want to be fair while critiquing but again, sharp enough.
    If we still feel the need to get on with a One-on-One communication , my email Id is with Sharmaji. He can pass on the email Id.
    Again, please don’t feel insulted or discriminated -it is just that I saw the terrible “tu tu mai mai” happening at the blog and felt compelled to drop in a few lines of my “low-life wisdom”.
    Back to the point of discussion – we can continue the same discussion here. Please advise if you are willing to do so.
    - Mahesh.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “6> Moderate / Filter out *comments* and not *users* that violate the blog guidelines. Feel free to filter out users pertaining to pathological cases that are chronic violators. Rest assured, though, that they will re-surface with different avatars.”

    This requires resources…The best way is to appoint group of moderators among the bloggers and let them have special access to this blog so that they can edit/delete post not in line with guidelines.

    Mahesh, Just curious..How long have you been in IT?

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajeev,
    “This requires resources…The best way is to appoint group of moderators among the bloggers and let them have special access to this blog so that they can edit/delete post not in line with guidelines.”
    Precisely – this is what I had in mind. In fact it was lazily articulated when I said “A set of guidelines should be easy to enforce as these can be delegated and you yourself are not the bottle-neck.” . Clearly , you have done it better.
    That said, as a pre-cursor for a group of moderators to be enforcing discipline guidelines will be needed to eliminate subjective judgements by the moderators. The guidelines could still be “subjectively interpreted” , but let us live with that risk.
    - Mahesh.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Good and balanced advise.

    I will accept any “Fair Rules” and will abide by them.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I have noticed that despite your best efforts to engage with people on this forum, nobody wants to talk to you. I think you should apologise for your attempts to write porno and vulgarity on this forum.

    This has driven away good posters and and decent people. Nobody laughed at your vulgarity. Everyone, probably pitied you.

    However there are serious issue in discussion out here. Like how to rescue Pakistani journalists; How to save the world from the very real possibilites of the nukes falling into the hands of Pakistani terrorists.

    If you are actually in the UK, you should know that this evil scum would be targetting the UK also as they did in the train attacks.

    At the end of the day to keep a forum deccent, one needs a change of heart and head. Not vulgar and obscene — porno type postings

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay kumar
    It will be a cold day in hell before I will apologise to you.

    You are the instigator of all that is filth on this blog. My contribution at best is retaliation to your intolerant communal filth.

    I am not averse to apologising, I have apologised twice to pankag#1. I was the first one to be rude to him and I realised my mistake.

    I do not mind if no one engages with me, I am not here seeking popular support, I will leave that to you.

    However, I will counter all your Hate Filled Communal Ideology and juvenile home spun defence strategies

    I have accepted Dr Mishra as a neutral arbiter of this fracas, for me to go, all he has to do is say to me personally that “on balance Ravi I find you to be the MAIN guilty party for ruining this blog”. No sooner he says that in earnest, you will not see me for the gubaar that I would leave behind.

    If you are half the man that you think you are, let’s see you making a similar offer and let Dr Mishra be the arbiter.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Mahesh
    Many thanks for your valued suggestions. As for a drink — always— when you are in Delhi or I am in Mumbai.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    hats off to pakistani journalists. How do our jouranlists compare with them?? when they were asked to bend, they kowtowed. unfortunate for Indian democracy.

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    Observer Reply:

    Our CQ journalists lack courage. didn’t Kuldip Nayyar, Khuswant Singh etc. ran away like hyenas at night from Pakistan even when Jinnah wanted them in Pakistan?

    What I find more offensive is that these refugees instead of being grateful for letting they stay in India rather than sending them back, lecture us on secularism, when they themselves did not put their money where their mouth was. They should have stayed in Pakistan to fight for democracy and if needed die for it, to make their Pakistan minority friendly, tolerant and secular.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201162\story_2-6-2011_pg3_2
    Very interesting article.
    again, hats off to pakistani journalists.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201162\story_2-6-2011_pg3_6
    Hey people, I am becoming pakistan lover.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=50389&Cat=9&dt=6/2/2011
    dedicated to T. R. and V.
    this is the last one for the day.

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  • jai vaidya

    Manohar T.,
    You are a typical PINK CHADHIWALA. You say things with such flourish without actually bothering to find out some details. If you come to the Arctic and call someone an Eskimo you are more likely to get a new arsehole carved into your pinko buttocks. I have been to the Arctic, and I know something about the Inuit.
    Please refer to these people as the Inuit as they call themselves that. .However, to you they are just being” jingoistic”.
    And by the way, “Indian” is just a word any non-Christian brown pagan.
    Should we call ourselves Bharitia or Hindustani or both? I don’t mind either.

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    Manohar_T Reply:

    I do not respond/reply to posts/comments that are uncivilised.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv and Rajeev

    I have no illusions about Pakistani Journalists. However you must remember that SOME journalists would be open to inducements. And what can be a better inducement than a right to remain alive?

    Many of them would of course remain brainwashed into peddling lies of jinnah and ISI :D

    To extend the example further, we have seen many Indian journalists downplay the threat posed by the nuclear weapons and the terror mindset of Pakistan. For example

    a) At 90, Khushwant Singh the former editor of HT still cries for Gen Zia -smiling cobra- Haq. All because the “kind’ gen had surprised him with a gift of six scotch bottles in his hotel room at a time when possesing Scotch in India was every jounos dream.

    b) Kuldip Nayar tries to make light of the Pakistani perfidy all because he has an exaggerated sense of self importance as some sort of peacemaker. Maybe some “inducements’ were given to him in his time as the Indian high Commissoner to Pakistan

    c) Jawed naqvi, just to get a column in a Pakistani paper is willing to sell India– maybe for the 5000 rupees he gets for his column.

    Even in 2g we had seen famous Indian journos willing to sell thier body and soul :D :D

    I think RAW should be given a budger of say 20 crores an year to keep as pets about 50 Pakistni journalists who will be our fifth columnists in thier country :D

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    My dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    you must have read my last posts. Please permit me to say a few things as I see them.

    1. Like so many others, I am actively participating in the debates on your blog, because I find the debates lively, interesting and also informed. Besides, it also gives me an opportunity to exhibit my own skills in debating. I unabashedly accept that I show off/flaunt my felicity with the English Language.

    2. I am amazed that you are unable or unwilling to debar these two guys who, so tellingly, take Hindu names and pollute the terrific atmosphere of friendly banter and give and take that goes on in the debates hereto. I have no knowledge of any other Muslim persons willingly adopting Hindu names merely to put forth their views and at the same time beg the fellow bloggers to accept them as Hindus except with the now clear purpose of destroying your blog. I am also bemused by your consistent acceptance of all they write unquestioningly and also at your inability to stop all that is spewed by them against India, against Hindus, against our army, against our society and against everything that is Indian all the time, while you sit back with your hands apparently tied for no reason.

    3. Like several others, I too have come to the conclusion that this state of affairs is unacceptable and hence I have taken the line of least resistance: stop participating in the debates. This is not because I can’t give back in the same measure that I receive from them, but because as the head of the blog you seem to be helpless in getting rid of the pests, who have pasted themselves here so shamelessly.

    4. I am fully aware that I am no Anna Hazare or Baba Ramdev who can singly bring the mighty UPA government to its knees. I am a humble fellow enjoying what the internet has made so easily available. Therefore, it should NOT be taken as a threat or posturing. It is, simply, my way of saying goodbye.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    I think you should not leave. The vulgar and the obscene have been exposed and nobody wants to talk to them.

    Of course their vulagarity gives us an opportunity to understand the depth of their brainwashing. Even today a survsy show that 70% of the Pakistanis want a Taliban / Islamic type set up. Now if this is going to happen in our neighbourhood, we should immediately

    a) Do a bhangra that we were separated at birth. And it is important to remain separated from intolerant fanatics :D :D

    b) but always try to mould them through threats and inducements so that they end up harming themselves and not our country, our parents and our children

    c) The threat of the Taliban getting the nukes is real. It could probably happen in the next ten years, It is important all Indians– of all religions– steel up for a good fight. THerefore Shenoy sahab, think that these two incoherents vulgars are basically small fish. Nuetralising them is important as well understanding the depth of their brainwash is important too.

    I am writing a book on what happens when the Taliban finally get the Nukes. Inputs from this blog as well understanding the minds of the reasonable Pakistanis like Usman have been helpful to me. As also the inocherent gibberish of brainwashed louts who finally become suiide bombers….

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Shenoy

    Please do not leave..Participate..

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    No Shenoy Saab we shall not let you go .Just the let the trash be where it is and take a detour.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    @Shenoy – A humble request to you, please do not leave this blog.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    Guys,

    I had told you about a Pakistani living in US who had an American neighbour. One day he fell
    sick. He tried many American doctors but no one could cure him. Then one of his friend
    suggested him to go to a Pakistani Hakim. This hakim on seeing him immidiately understood
    the problem . He told him to buy a big plastic bag and for next one week collect your and your
    family”s shit in this bag. After this is done than for next three days five times a day sniff from
    that bag. To his utter surprise he was cured after following these instructions. He
    called the hakim and asked him about this cure. Hakim told him

    ” BETA YOU WERE MISSING YOUR COUNTRY PAK-SHIT-STAN ”

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ MOhan

    :D :D :D :D HA HA HA HA :D :D :D :D

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    You are incorrigible.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    Pankaj#1

    Interesting links Thanks.

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com vinod sharma

    @BV Shenoy
    Arre bhai itne minnat to humne apni mashooqaon ki nahi ki. Ab tou maan jaao.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    The real issue with Pakistan is that there is no Pakistan to deal with.

    Zia al Haq and his followers in their brilliance created a people – not a nation – who think they are descendents of Arabia and do not have anything to do with South Asia.

    The latest Mehran Naval Base attack was perpetrated by a “rival” navy wing.

    We know neither Zardari nor Giliani is in power (I believe, given power, both would have contributed for the betterment of Pakistan, Pak-India relationship).

    Now we know neither Kayani nor Pasha has the power. There is army and there are armies. Ditto with ISI

    Looks like any institution of any importance is infiltrated by terrorist extremists.

    The implication to Pakistan is obvious. The strategy they created – bleeding India thru thousand cuts – is bleeding them instead.

    However, there are enormous implications for India. With all its duplicity, at least the Pak army controlled the incursions, timing, scope etc. What happens now if there are competing armies? Multiple rogue divisions?

    People in authority there say that nukes are well-controlled. “people in authority” is an oxymoron in todays Pakistan.

    If Mehran is possible, it is quite possible that terrorists already have the stuff to create dirty bombs.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    good analysis. : there is a Army and many Armies” indeed.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Gopi

    All’s well on the western front ! ! from India;s viewpoint as long as the ISI and Pakistan keep bleeding themselves. :D

    However the big dangers are

    a) Manmohan SIngh suddenly wanting to play the statesman and wanting to bail out Pakistan. An army of bleeding heart kabab lovers are just waiting for the next round of Inod Pak talks to come ot with an agenda which would ruin our current superiority.

    b) The nukes. Chances are a rogue groupd would actually get them in the next few years. We need to alert the entire world to create nucLear ring around Pakistan with plans to annihilate it totally in case its ISI creates a plan to launch a nuke attack thru non state actors.

    THIS HAS TO BE CONVEYED IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS TO PAKISTAN SO THAT ITS WEAPONS ARE KEPT IN A DIS-ASSEMBLED STATE WITH PARTS LYING IN DIFFERENT CITIES.

    C) The propoganda initiative thru reverse brainwash remains central to creating a more liberla Pakistan

    d) However disassembling Pakistan hould be the best solution so that they will continue fighting amongst themselves for the next fifity years. :D

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Dear Vinodji

    So more and more are leaving your blog.
    You made a mention about Ravi not being as bad as tajender. When he had that ugly exchange with some excitable urchins on the blog, he uttered obscenities at Lord Ram, which he admitted.
    SORRY, THERE WAS MORE- in allusions to sexual threesomes- he also said brahma-vishnu-mahesh, it is all there on zia’s blog still.
    HE HAS A VERY UNPLEASANT SIDE, but his addcition to blogging here, his loneliness means he will occasionally clean up his act to prevent he boot.
    Sadly, his posts and personality mean he attracts people like paritosh and RAJEEV who then exchange filthy abuses with him.

    AAPKA blog, aapke rules- the best debators- Mishraji, syed bhai, riswan, shenoy, ashish , vinay etc- all gone. They were who put Zia;s blog on fire.
    Just remembering some of the exchanges – they were better than any articles written here by journalists.
    ALVIDA, PHIR MILENGE KABHI,

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    Ravi Reply:

    SORRY, THERE WAS MORE- in allusions to sexual threesomes- he also said brahma-vishnu-mahesh, it is all there on zia’s blog still.

    Care to provide some evidence or are you also of “accuse and run away” variety.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Balwinder Sandhu
    I don’t think running away from people and situations helps. I don’t write this becuase I have a vested interest to keep my blog going. I write this to co-opt you and other good men here to fight such elements. Tajender has already been blocked. And Ravi shall also be — together with the two others you named— if they don’t mend their ways. That should be assurance enough for you.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    Vinodji, if there is time I may post examples of sheer brilliance of debates of Mishraji, syed- of duels with a commie jehadi called Bobby- to his credit he apologised to mishraji when outdebated by him.

    Of Gopi painting a very vivid landscape of kerala.
    Of riswan asking why groups of few muslims round the world were moderate- Dubai, USA, iNDIA
    of Shoeb with his world view

    FORGET debates, some ppl just wrote brilliantly- it was like having the most refined people in your drawing room- again Vinay, Ashish, Mishraji come to mind. It was an opportunity for some evry ordinary people in y=this blog like myself to get a social and info education.

    but these ‘pundits’ cannot take pointless abuse, even when not directed at them. When the atmosphere stinks, they stay away. and the loss is ours

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    I would 100% agree.

    However, there are people who started using terms suc as P*A*K*I and TUR-D, do they not contaminate the atmosphere.

    Remember what Rajeev says.

    So why am I being singled out as the culprit here.

    Regards

    Ravi

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    ravi ka kya hai, denies everything. and then when riswan puttar cornered him on the Lord Rama abuse, he admits it.#
    Now do i have the energy to go bak and expose his other abuse of brahma- vishnu as well- maybe.

    tajender calls me bade paaji- respect apni jagah, but his abuse of the culture and the people that he claims are his countrymen is not tolerable

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    Ravi Reply:

    I deny anythig. When?

    I am the one who has appologised.

    Name me any one else who has.

    If you accuse, then it is your responsibility to provide PROOF.

    As you say it is on the blog. Then find it and paste it here.

    When I accused Shenoy and Vijay, I provided cut and paste of offensive material. You can see it on this blog.

    I suggest you do the same, or withdraw the accusation.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    Ravi Reply:

    So Balwinder what do you think about

    P*A*K*I and TUR-D or are the acceptable to you.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    It is happeneing right under your nose.


    @ Superturd Ravi & mentally challenged Tajedar TUR-D

    Over to you.

    Regards

    Ravi

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    They are coming thick and fast, I hope you are keeping count.

    Superturd Ravi,

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  • Vijay Kumar

    The subject of the log is partners in sleaze;

    Two ISI agents tried to become partners in porno :D :D :D HA AHA

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just to balance TWO PARTNERS in COMMUNAL HATERED. Raja & Rani.

    :) , :) , :) , Hee, Hee, Hee

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Majhab yahi sikhaata

    aapas mein porno likhana

    Pakistani hai hum !!

    Pak-i hai hum!!

    contact at
    superturds.pornwriters@ISI.com

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    Ravi Reply:

    Majhab sikhata hai
    Humko bair karna
    Hindu Fundo hain hum

    Bharat hai maara

    Communalhaters@RSS.com

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Superturd Ravi

    Copy cat, copy cat,
    Where is your brain???

    It’s been loaned to ISI
    and become a porno drain :D :D :D

    superturd.feeble.pornowriters@ISI .com

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Superturd Ravi & mentally challenged Tajedar TUR-D

    NObody laugh along with you …

    Everyone laughs at you :D :D :D

    HA AHA HA !!

    Keep spewing your feeble porno!!

    We all know for sure that ISI has been reduced to peddler of lies and half truths. But ever since Osama wwas caught with porno tapes, ISI is now telling its agents to try thier hands at porno !! :D :D

    Ravi, you lonely old far-t…. yehi mazhab ne sikhaya thaa???

    Porno likhana??? THoo thoo thoo !!

    H AHA AH :D :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    I don’t hear guffas of laughter on your rubbish either.

    HA nHA AH :) , :) , ;)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Superturd Ravi,

    You old lonely far-t… :D

    Everyone is laughing at you…
    NObody wants you here

    poor baby, only tajendar Tur-d
    and
    Only hafeez Saeed Loves you

    Jao
    suicide bomber bano
    Aur jannat mein **** pao :D :D :D

    Hafeezsaeed.72virgins@jannat.com

    Ha ha ah :D :D :D

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  • Pankaj#1

    Are Bhai Mishraji;
    bagair aap ki Googley ke is cricket match main maja kahan?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj#1

    By all means take sides if it serves your purpose, even if it is against me.

    Regards

    Ravi

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Everyone

    Seriously speaking I did not want to do this. But the two superturds gets the superpatriot out of me.
    But now I have to leave for for a meeting at Ryby Tuesday, which combines beer with a discussion on eco friendly buildings.

    But this is one meeting I would be laughing thru :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    What is the difference between Superpatriot and a Superscoundrel

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Ravi

    There is scope for improvement. You can stay away from the blog for a week or two. Then apologise to all for putting on vulgar sexual stuff.

    The internet is something which people open in front of thier families. By lowering the standards of discussion to the drain level you have only reflected your own education. People will question what sort of education your parents gave you, your religious priests taught you.

    Best recourse is to see reason and improve.

    Vijay

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Here is an offer, You Stay Away for TWO WEEKS, So will I.

    You stop spewing Communal Hatred, I will stop Porno, etc etc.

    You continue, so will I.

    People are no fools, they aslo question your education when you say stuff like;

    Superturd Ravi,

    The recourse to reason and imrove applis to you too.

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  • Kushagra

    Digvijay Singh on Baba Ramdev – “If Congress was scared, Ramdev would have been put behind bars. There is no fear that is why he is out in the open and there are discussions with him”

    Does anyone feel that arrogance in Digvijay Singh’s word is similar to what Britisher’s attitude used to be for Mahatma Gandhi when they would hold talks with him?

    Can the ruling party put anyone behind bars who is a threat to them? By Digvijay Singh’s statement is Congress Party suggesting that judiciary and police is in their pocket?

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    DigVijy is stupid; — licker of congress and Gandhis. Remeber his staement about 11/26? Congress will lose next elections thanks to stupids like him. Even if he meant government (instead of congress); how can the govt put Ramdev in jail if law and order is not impacted..

    Congress (and to some extent other parties) is running scared – Anna last month, Ram Dev this month. It is good that the widespread corruption is finally getting coverage and traction.

    As usual, congress is against what makes sense and what majority of the people want.

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    ram Reply:

    I heard OSAMA called diggi before Seals killed him and asked him to arrange for a proper burial,

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    Kushagra Reply:

    One only has to see the contempt with which the government is treating the ‘fasting’ as an instrument of achieving goal. You only have to watch Renuka Chaudhary, the kind of contempt and disregard she displayed on first Anna Hazare and now Baba Ramdev. She alleges that its a blackmail. Least is said about Digvijay Singh the better.

    Everyone knows the same instrument was used by Gandhiji. Its amusing the very same instrument makes the Government paranoid and so nervous.

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  • Ravi

    ANY ONE WHO LIKES TO SEE EVIDENCE BEFORE THEY JUDGE

    Three erroneous accusations have been made against me.

    Three times I have requested proof.

    So far it has not been forthcoming.

    Judge for yourselves
    _______________________
    Ravi Reply:
    June 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
    SHAN
    I Challenege you to post the entire post with my name and date stamp.
    Your failure to do so, exposes you as a LIAR.
    Ravi
    ____________________
    Ravi Reply:
    June 1st, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    Lets have the evidence.
    Or else you too stand exposed as a LIAR
    _____________________________
    Ravi Reply:
    June 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    SORRY, THERE WAS MORE- in allusions to sexual threesomes- he also said brahma-vishnu-mahesh, it is all there on zia’s blog still.
    Care to provide some evidence or are you also of “accuse and run away” variety.

    ________________

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Un Protected Alliance (UPA)

    Maran ate 800 crores, and our lok pal drafting comitte member sibal is sitting on that file.

    I think Ramdev’s 1st demand shoud be : Put DIGGI in mental asylum till he dies

    next is black money and all those stuff.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Balwinder,
    You have behaved like urchin and reduced this blog to your stale joke. Have you ever posted on the topic? All you do is pass judgement. You are the one who destroyed this blog by targetting Shan.

    Although I don’t agree with Ravi but his contributions are not meaningless like yours. I’d like to have an enemy like Ravi than have a foolish friend like you.

    I am pretty sure that you don’t even read newspapers…Chai dukaan par baith kar gappe ladane ke siva kuch nahi kiya hoga.

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  • Ashish

    Debate the idea; not the man.
    It is not necessary to label someone in order to tear his ideas apart. A brahminist, a righ-winger, a hindu-fundoo/ or a Pakistani, ISI agent or whatever.
    In this blog, we are Vinod’s guest- if we misbehave, we abuse his hospitality. We must trust Vinod that he only invites guests who would enjoy each other’s company. He vouches for us. We must not question it.
    Avoid labeling and avoid abuses. And stick to the topic.
    Not everything in the world is the fault of the Jews or the Brahmins; and not all Pakistani is a terrorist.

    I am a little surprised that Tajender is called a Pakistani. I can bet that he is an Indian. I don’t think you guys read the dalitvoice kind of websites where Tajender lifts his diatribe from. It is a fringe voice, soon to be over-run by the rapid and inclusive development that is coming in India. Work for that. Dalits are progressing faster than Muslims in India- by asking for inclusion with the broader society; not by asking for separate schools, separate syllabi and so on as our secularists and misguided Muslim “leaders” ask for for the Muslims.
    If you read Ram Punwani and folks like that, Tajender will be like a limp rag :D
    Anyone who grew up on the JNU version of history will speak like Ravi. Digvijay Singh and Manish Tiwari (and should I add, Vinod Sharma? :P ) say far worse. Do we doubt their Indian-ness?
    The great thing for me, in being an Indian and in being a Hindu (an atheist, but a proud Hindu) is that I can criticize India, I can laugh at my Gods- but, still remain a Hindu and still remain an Indian.
    Therein, to me lies our collective strength. We can be what we want to be. We can say what we want. We can be cynical, we can be positive, we can believe or we can be a unbeliever.
    But, we will remain Hindus. We will remain Indians.
    Can a Muslim from Pakistan say all the above?
    Therein lies my triumph; our triumph. Don’t fritter it away.

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    shan Reply:

    Blimey, IS this ashish without the gravatar, the tone and tenor is unmistakably east delhi Anidyo C ,
    Would the real ashish unmask himself please.If it is the east delhi ashish , who is renting his dwarka flat , who is sold his soul to Economist, then may I politely suggest watch the film Botiful, a spanish film starring xavier bardem , IT SHOWS APALLING STATE OF CHINESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN SPAIN.So much for chinese trillion dollar reserve.Also Recently Naipaul in Hay on Wye literary festival has called the works of all women writers sentimental tosh.
    as for discussing CORRUPTION in India NOBODY has any interest , as exemplified by the zero response to my tome. Far more SEDUCTIVE is pakistan bashing , a bit like asked to see a porn or a satyajit ray film.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan,
    same person. I don’t know why my gravatar does not follow me here..

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ashish

    I think you are being too liberal in your assumptions. Somewhere in these blogs Tajendar confessed that his real name is Moot Andar Hussain Tur-d or something. go three blogs back and you will find it. He claims he is married to some Indian girl and now in India.

    just check him out by making fun of Laden,ISI and hafeex Saeed and the current breed of terrorists. The Pavlovian reaction you will get will clear all your doubts :D

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar,
    this is also a first for me! Liberal? It’s not often I am called that :)
    But, honestly, boss, check karo- ask Vinod to use his investigative journalism (IP tracker, cellphone tracer…CFSL Chandigarh- not Delhi :) )
    Why do I say that I am sure Tajender is an Indian?
    Because his idiom is so, so utterly familiar. Arre yaar; yeh Dalit Voice ki kahani in Dalit Voice ki Zubani; just typed here by Tajender.
    Want more fun? Check out the CPIML website- yes, they do have a website. Check out what they say about the “natural” partnership between Muslims and Dalits.
    I read all this elsewhere- so, Tajender is not original, has zero shock value for me.
    Come on; Tajender is probably the millionth person in India who told you that RSS killed Karkare- we have had Diggy tell you the same thing -smile and move on. Why dignify it with a response? Just vote sensibly :)
    Some time back; Tajender was happily quoting from Gadafi’s green book. But what to do boss? Remember the editors of “Current” / Blitz who used to write nice things about Gadafi after a month spent in Tripoli?
    Woh bhi to Indian the?

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    Observer Reply:

    TAJENDER

    It is true we have 33 crores Devas, but they know their limitations, and recognize trinity and Brahma, unlike your Allah, who out of ignorance thought of himself as omnipotent and omnipresent. But he is not bad as your Gabriel.

    Your Allah is just one of more than 330 million Devas, even more numerous Asuras, Yakshas and Rakshas and other supernaturals.

    I consider myself 50% Muslim because I believe in one part of Islam i.e Prophet Mohammed was Messenger of Allah,but not the other part. In similar manner I consider myself 50% Christian because I Believe Jesus Christ was son of god.

    I consider myself 100% Arya dharmist [ Hindu] and 100% Arya margi { Buddhist}

    Now are you getting ready for kayamat.. or awaiting Mehdi?

    Pakistani elite class may be liberal, but liberalism is limited like Henry Ford choice of T bird color. You can choose any color you want as long as it is black.

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    shan Reply:

    @Observer , you turned out be a bigger fool than I originally thought. People who beleive in prophet , messenger , are people with very very limited intellect , suffer from tunnel vision and SCIENCE is their bane. These people have a very good repository called pakistan.

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    Observer Reply:

    Tajeender,

    GOOD JOKE. Thanks.

    Islam believing in egalitarianism? Ask any slave of Muslims. Your Koran sanctions slavery..

    Do you want us to treat Muslims the same “NICE” way you treated Hindus in Pakistan? In that case we would have Muslims less than 1% of population. If we would have done that we would have more Jains than Muslims.

    Even Adolf Hitler would be impressed with your making Pakistan HINDU-FREE.. Actually Adolf Hitler expressed his views that it would have been better if Muslims had conquered Germany, then Christianity would have gone and Germans would have been more suited to his plans.

    Islam liberal? Ask Ahamadiyas, Bahais, Yezhdis etc. and they are not even Kaffirs. How about Kaffirs of Nuristan?

    Your Allah’s claim of creating world is as valid as Al Gore’s claim of creating internet.

    I would give you or your Muslims passing grade of liberal if you allow Hindus or Buddhists to build a temple in Mecca with Images. I’ll give you flying color of liberalism only if allow to rebuild temple of Al-Lat, Al-Uzi and Al-Manat in Mecca.

    Of course you will claim that Saudi Arabia is not in Pakistan, then at least you can start constructing Hindu, Buddhist, Al-Lat, Al-Uzi and Al-Manat. temples in Islamabad to convince us biased Indians that Islam truly is liberal.

    So far only major Muslim leaders I consider liberal, of course they are not liked in west, are (were) Khatami of Iran, who apologized for destruction of Hindu temples by Muslims and Sadam Hussein of Iraq, who allowed Yazhdis to practice their religion freely and rebuild Baybylon. Actually that was the reason this mediocre bible thumping GWB attacked and destroyed his regime hoping to ffulfil Bible prophesy.

    You are right, Ignorance is bliss. Tell you fairy story of Muslim tolerance, egalitarianism, liberalism to stupid Hindu CQs they will buy it.. We know better.

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    Observer Reply:

    Tajeender,

    FYI: Henry Ford was Irish & Catholic. He was not Jew, as a matter of fact he was viciously anti-Semitic. Hitler admired him.

    I think you are too much hang up on caste. caste was social organization to keep a sort of order. religious books tend to support existing social structure at that time. So you can not held Hinduism more responsible for caste system than Islam for slavery.

    I would like to hear your take on Kayamat and Mahdi.

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  • Rajiv

    There is too much discussion here about individuals and less about issues.
    I do not agree with many of Ramdev’s positions because I find an element of political gimmick and simplistic popular rhetoric in some of his positions.

    As you can see many of his assertions in his letter/demanfs are debatable or not factually correct.

    However, that does not mean all his demands or positions are without merit.

    Our task, as a nation, is to pick and choose the best from various opinions.
    Here is what Ramdev’s political movement is demanding.

    The following is quoted from the letter of Mr Ramdev to Mr Manmohan Singh.

    ……………….
    Three (3) demands

    1. To bring back in the nation Rs. 400 trillion (US$ 9 trillion) of black money which is a national wealth.

    1.1. Create a law to declare money stashed in foreign accounts as national assets.

    1.2. Create a law for foreign account policy where each citizen having a foreign account has to disclose complete information.

    1.3 Sign US Convention against Corruption, thus paving way for getting black money back.

    1.4 Recall high denomination currency i.e., 500 and 1000 Rupee notes and make 100 Rupee note as sparse as possible.

    2. To stamp out corruption fully by enacting stringent laws for a capable Lok Pal Bill which should have three important points?

    2.1 It should be able to punish any official irrespective of designation if found guilty.

    2.2. Any person should be able to file FIR against corruption and if proofs are provided then Lok Pal should be able to take action against the guilty.

    2.3. Once fast track court declares a person guilty of corruption then he or she should be given harsh punishment like death sentence or life imprisonment if corruption involves crores or lakhs of Rupees. It should have provision of declaring all assets of such person as national assets.

    3. To end foreign laws, customs and culture prevailing in the independent Bharat so that every Indian can get economic and social justice. We should follow Mahatma Gandhi’s book named Hind Swaraj mentioning that after independence we need to remove British system and adopt Bhartiya system.

    3.1. We need to abolish Land Acquisition Act 1984 because by using this Act the government is exploiting farmers. A farmer who is the producer of food is not respected and is getting killed daily by wrong government policies. We need to impose complete ban on genetically modified food which is dangerous for the health of citizens of this nation.

    3.2. On the language issue the whole nation is suffering because 99% of people do not know English. When countries like Japan, China, France, Germany, Denmark, Russia, etc. educate their citizens in their own language and produce doctors, scientists, engineers, etc. then why we cannot do so in our own national and native languages. Each of our languages has more words than any foreign language. Why we are neglecting and giving such a low importance to our own languages. Technological innovations and inventions do not depend upon a language, it is a function of human intellect and mind and the world is a witness that Bhartiya’s thinking and mind is one of the best in the world. Language of law, justice, science, engineering, medicine, etc. should be in our national or regional languages then only smart kids of poor people will be able to become scientists, doctors and engineers.

    3.3. Why are we given Macaulay’s education system which was created to make Indians as Englishmen and why 34735 laws are created by British still imposed on this nation? Why people of this country are still tortured and humiliated by using those laws in the same way as British used to do.

    3.4. When Bharat has given the world physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, all social sciences, law and justice system, astrology, astronomy, astro-physics, social structure, time –days, years, etc., names of planets, economics, a cultured society and highly advanced philosophy, and spirituality to the whole world then why are we always taught that everything is developed by western world. We ought to give highest preference to our own culture.

    3.5. Although democratic system is best in the world but it has its demerits too. Had we not have this faulty law and order system in our country then such a big conspiracy would not have been created, and so much corruption and such a bad condition of our people would not have happened. So those people who are doing this conspiracy in the name of democracy and are looting this nation by corruption, it is imperative to change them and such a system. Funding of election, mandatory voting and electing the Prime minister directly by the citizens of this nation should be there. Thus only honest people will come to power and then only strong democracy and high value parliament will be formed. We want to make it clear that we do not want to change the Constitution of India created by Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar but want to change the system created by British and still followed. Example Land acquisition act was not created by Late Shri Bhimrao Ambedkar but by the British and so was Macaulay’s education system.

    @Mr Vinod Sharma
    How is your ‘ban of a certain individual’ working ?
    Things seem to have gone from bad to worse on this blog and the trajectory is all down hill..

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?272086

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Do you seriously think Baba Ramdev’s demands can be fulfilled? He is coming up with so many issue at one time that it will throw up lot of confusion.
    He should list just 2 or 3 point and seek solution for it.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Rajeev,
    No, many of his demands and assertions are not correct, like he says 99% of Indians do not know English.
    Also, India needs to study the laws that other democracies have , for dealing with money in foreign banks. His demand for disclosure and penalties if not disclosed are valid. USA has started enforcing that law and anyone with more than 10,000 $ in foreign bank account is required to disclose that in annual tax returns or faces penalties, which can be severe.

    So, India needs to have clear laws and enforce them.

    Ramdev’s suggestion of nationalizing assets in foreign banks is absurd and non-serious.

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    shan Reply:

    Rajiv , my mate your prescription and your assumption that SCIENCE AND TECHNOLGY can be taught and communicated in indian languages IS MORE DELUDED THAN ANYTHING TEJENDER HAS TO OFFER.SCIENCE STUDENTS FROM Every nation on planet earth HAS TO KNOW ENGLISH, FULL STOP. Any contrary view is revealing PROFOUND IGNORANCE, dont even try to respond
    FAR EASIER is UNIVERSAL ENGLISH MEDIUM EDUCATION with 400 marks for vernacular.
    In one stroke BHARAT AND INDIA BECOMES ONE and with the access to the NET THE WORLD WILL INVADE EVERY INDIAN’S HOME AND INTELLECT.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Shan,
    You abviously have not read my introduction to the Ramdev posting. Please do read it.

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    shan Reply:

    @rajiv, then baba is the biggest d ic k head india has seen. as for his yoga , there have been lot of them before him BIKRAM YOGA of shirley mcclaine fame , deepak chopra , prof of endocrinology. whatever benefit people have got from Baba is PLACEBO effect

    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    Here is a serious comment by way of a question.

    If these demands were made around mid 1960’s, do you believe that Indian would have made;

    1. More progress.

    or

    2. Less Progress.

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    shan Reply:

    India in 1960 , was an infact democracy , microscopic rich, tiny middle class , sea of poor people. Democracy was a sort of democracy , people carted to vote for congress , and with the monopoly on independece movement dividends , there was not much of a debate. other than in magazines .

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  • Rizwan

    isnt it ironic that at Gautam Chikermane’s blog gopi and mishraji and myself are blasting away, along with ram. I think the fumes in here got too suffocating for some of us.
    ASHISH – PLEASURE WELCOME BACK- come and join us on the other blog. And you too doc Pankaj, shenoy and vijay, RAJIV with an I, and kushagra, manohar and PAAJI BALWINDER- some jokes reqd there hehe

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    Rizwan Reply:

    sorry forgot 2 mention we are blasting away at same topic- baba ramdev

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rizwan

    Thx for the invite. Would love to be there… We need to realise that ramdev has a huge following. Even Brinda karat discovered that.

    We need to channelise the people’s demands in a positive manner

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  • Ashish

    Dear Tajender,
    Gandhians, Marxists, etc.. are mainly labels- some are willingly adopted, some are thrust upon.

    I do not know if you live in India; I do. I certainly see a country which is moving – yes, Raja, Kalmadi, Maran, Kani are looting but the story is not as bleak as you paint it as. Please

    Socially and economically the Dalits are fast catching up with the rest of Indians- they are participating and competing on equal terms. I certainly think, in 30 years more, we shall be a much better country.
    1000s of years of injustice will not be washed away in a few years- but, and this is for you- constantly talking about it will not help either the victims or the perpetrators.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Ashish,
    just a unsolicitaed friendly advise : before you engage in discussion with this pakistani pakinder, ( yes he acknowledges that he is from pakistan and uses Indian names on Indian sites ) you would be better advised to go and read his postings in last few blogs. That would save you lot of time and save us lot of space on this blog , unless you enjoy discussing matters with hafeez Muhammad saeed. He writes mostly unadultrated trash.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ashish

    More friendly advise. You are opening a can of worms… sorry Tur-ds which we the regular bloggers would have to endure… :D

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Rajiv and @Vijay Kumar,
    I have endured Tajender (and before him, Ram Autar) in Gautam’s blog, Zia’s blog and now I see him here.
    I used to initially suspect him to be a special invitee of HT to help grow blog traffic ;-)
    He is certainly “random”. But, I have normally gotten by with summary rejection or ignore.
    I do think Ravi dignifies his rants in saying “he offers an alternate paradigm”; in my view, he does nothing of that sort; at least nothing that I have not read in third rate websites before.
    Anyways; work beckons. I checked out of Zia’s blog as it was too time consuming and more time was being spent talking about individuals rather than issues. I came back here today and found a similar situation.
    Hope you guys fare better than we did.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv

    There are two parts of Swami Ramdev.

    a) The Yoga guru par excellence, who has breathed life into crores and crores of indians. After a certain unfortunate accident about eight years back, I started following Ramdev. And it changed my life. No debates on that.

    b) The political movement he is leading will definately have the backing of all the crores who follow him. And unfortunately unless his demands are practical, it will lead to disenchantment. I think he needs to pick some good practical scientists, adminstrators and economists in his team.

    Otherwise all this effort would go waste.

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    Observer Reply:

    Hopefully Swami Ramdev will not allow, Mallika Sarabhai, Harsh Meander and other CQs to jump into his bandwagon and undermine his movement by pushing their agenda, like then did will Anna.

    These CQs, like sins from previous life, try to embrace anybody, who emerges to uplift nation, and bring him down to their cesspool of corruption and stupidity. This is what they have done to India in last 60+ years.

    India needs to feed it’s hungry first. So they should fight corruption first.

    India should payback Pakistan for exporting terrorists to India by exporting secularists to Pakistan.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Vijay,

    Anna Hazare’s movement is the real thing. Those guys know what they are talking about.

    Ramdev’s is mostly a distraction.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Before I sign off I am just watching the news. And again dangerous stuff is flowing out of Pakistan.

    Shahzad the Pakkistani journalist murdered by ISi had dscovered that the ISI and LeT have already planned a repeat of Mumbai, Maybe becasue the PM of India has started wooing Pakistan again….

    And

    The Indian Army Chief says that 700 terrorists from Pakistan are waiting across the LOC.

    So let no one be complacent….

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv

    Ramdev has reached Delhi, there is no denying that. However the government can still manage the situation by unilaterally announcing the list of kickbacker takers in Swiss banks.

    It would need to tighten controls on corruption.

    But alos explain to the people of India that in a capitalist economy there is no going back

    a)to the days of swadeshi consumer goods

    b) Explain that MNC’s in India have crearted jobs here while Indian companies too have become MNC’s

    c) Demonetising money is not possible and if it done people with money in villages will never be able to exchange their currency. etc etc

    however the way Digvijay is going about it… I think the COngress will not be able to demolish this the Anna hazare way. At one point Brinda karat was the media’s darling and NDTV the most respected channel. After they levied false charges on Ramdev… they lost

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  • Rajiv

    Couldn’t stop observing..
    The pandal and site preperations for Mr Ramdev’s fast , at Ramlila grounds Delhi, are more elaborate than a big wedding feast.

    TAhe government needs to explain the facts here.

    Its not illegal to keep money in foreign banks. Its fully legal.
    What’s illegal is not to disclose it in annual tax returns. In USA, interest earned on bank accounts deposits is taxed. So if you do not disclose your foreign bank account, you are potentially evading taxes.

    So , government should talk to Ramdev in formulating a policy about detecting foreign bank acounts of Indians , that would require bilateral talks with the countries involved, and in formulating penalties for those that do not disclose and then are caught.

    However, I am sure, there is lot more black money in India, than Indians holding them in foreign banks. The issue of money in foreign banks has just more political appeal.

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  • Rajiv

    If these blogs are to be a enjopyable place for serious discussion, HT has to figure out a way to block those whose only intent is to be disruptive and to shout in these blogs.

    Mr Sharma, has been claiming that he has banned the special invitee or as someone referred to him as ‘his special guest’, but the ban looks worse in practice than Pak’s so called ban on LeT or Hafiz Saeed.

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  • Ravi

    Ashish

    Welcome back.

    I bet you are thinking that even after week’s absence and in an entirely different blog, you still find me in familiar scolding water. Some people from the old blog, transferred their hatred towards me to the regulars here, and I found myself yet again fighting same old battles. However, I am sure you would have noticed that I am a fighter and am unlikely to quit. Until, Dr Mishra has pronounced me as guilty for the murder of this blog.

    Now that the dust seems to have settled.

    Liberal, like moderate is a relative term and in comparison to many here, I do believe that you are a Liberal. I was intrigued by your assertion that “Anyone who grew up on the JNU version of history will speak like Ravi.” You have me at a disadvantage, I am not familiar with Indian History, as projected by JNU trained historians, so am not able to deduce as to whether your comment is an insult or a compliment.

    However, I will make a guess. Since B. V. Shenoy intensely dislikes JNU historians, it is safe for me to conclude that they favour secular/liberal interpretation of Indian History. If that is true then you are right to suggest that, I would relay their versions of our history.

    History is the telling of a plausible story based upon interpretation of artefacts as seen under available light. These artefacts, and the available light, are common to both liberal as well as conservative historians. The spin imparted by both camps is done to serve their chosen political objectives.

    Neither version is the TRUTH both are stories with degrees of plausibility.

    Liberal or Pseudo Secular

    In U.K., we presently have a government, which is a coalition between the Conservatives and Liberals. As a result, lately the Liberals have lost their popularity even among their own constituency. The word Liberal has now become a form of abuse, which was the intention when you were called a Liberal.

    When one wishes to abuse, it is advisable to use two word abuses, in preference to a one word abuse; Liberal. Pseudo Secular now that is a form of abuse, which packs twice as much oomph than the single word, Liberal on its own does. Just as the word Ullu is not as potent an abuse when compared to Ullu ka Patha. The right wingers here have learnt this rule and often throw at Vinod, and others the abuse Pseudo Secular. The retort made by Liberals to this abuse is Hindu Fundo, again has two words delivering a more hurtful punch than either Hindu or Fundo would do on their own. To some degree my use of this trick has contributed to the hostile reception, I got.

    Aag or Basantar Devta

    Aapne ghar lage to aag hai, doosre ke ghar lage to hai Basantar Devta, goes a popular proverb.

    In Zia’s blog as well as here, many people have – rightly – celebrated the progress made by Indians in achieving political high office. Boby Jindal (USA), Keith Vas(UK), Nikki Haley (USA), Mahendra Chudhry (Fiji) are some of the examples.

    Political achievements of Indian immigrants abroad are praised whole-heartedly.

    Contrast this with how Sonia Gandhi, an immigrant into India, is treated here.

    Aapne ghar lage to aag hai, doosre ke ghar lage to Basantar Devta hai.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi the clever Agent
    First let me say I fully agree with your definition of history, then there are many definitions of history. Economic history , medical history , sociological history, history of kings and queens. Some are facts , and therefore not subject to vacillation , like the name , marital history.
    according to Kant history is product of conflict of ideas , thesis , antithesis , synthesis.
    I place HUMANISM and RATIONALITY far above LIBERALISM or any ism for that matter.
    As for Sonia gandhi this another of your twisted interpretation like equating gandhi’s marriage and prophet’s marriage, of which i have put paid to your false propaganda in the cover of liberal stance.
    SONIA GANDHI is abused by SOME section of the INDIAN SOCIETY(that includes MJ Akbar)
    YET THE UNDENYING FACT IS SHE NUMERO UNO OF THE PARTY THAT GETS ELECTED.
    my objection to sonia gandhi is her raather limited intellect and vocation , not surprising when you consider the fact , she used to be a waitress.
    Imagine AN INDIAN OR BLACK PM OF ENGLAND , well I put down Gordon brown’s defeat to his being SCOTTISH.
    Remember the black tory candidate Lord warwick , who stood from chelthenam , lost from that safe tory seat , where the tories have never been defeated in last fifty years.
    I beleive sonia did win from rai bareilly.

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  • Rajiv

    Have you heard the story of 4 blind men, going into a room with an elephant and then touching it to describe it , based on their sense of touch. Some people here, match those 4 men, in terms of their sense of Indian history and its current political status.
    The point is, that the men were fools first and blind later.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    Yes I have heard a form of this story.

    However, I must admit the point you wish to make eludes me.

    That is perhaps because it was not aimed at me, my personal sense of Indian History is rudimentary.

    I have read only two books, one by John Keay and the other by Wendy Doniger.

    Since both of them are “goras” deemed here to be singularly unqualified (blind) to write anything about India, I am reluctant to quote them.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    You often come accross to me as one of those blind men.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I gathered as much

    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    I am a bit battle fatigued, as you know.

    If this were your polite way of asking me to make my exit, then I would appreciate if you would be explicit and directly say so.

    Regards

    Ravi

    shan Reply:

    @Ravi, Goras are deeply disadvantaged in writing the history of brorn people.When Andrew Robinson came to see Satyajit Ray(I hope you know a word or two about his work), wishing to write his biography , ray commented “Another white man , has come to understand” WITHOUT KNOWING THE LANGUAGE”. A girl friend of mine once commented , that despite being schooled in catholic firangi school , followed by postgraduate in english literature , she felt all her knowledge was bookish , IN ORDER TO APPRECIATE OR MAKE SENSE YOU REALLY NEED TO BE IN THE COUNTRY FOR A LONG TIME. As an example she sited DAFFODILS , or ROBIN RED BREAST , these were objects in her imagination , till she saw them and appreciated. Same with culture and customs , WHICH DESPITE BEING A DOCTOR I FEEL I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO PENETRATE THE ENGLISH MIND.

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  • Rajiv

    @Ravi,
    You don’t have balance and come accross as a person with a single point agenda.
    Irrespective of the topic under discussion, its easy to predict what you may say.
    You even find merit in the infinitely trash postings by pakinder.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rajiv

    Since you did not explicitly answer the question, as requested, I will make my own conclusions.

    Regards

    Ravi

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  • Ravi

    Shan

    Close to a year ago, whilst browsing these blogs, I came across your “rationalist” and “humanist” posts which got me motivated to contribute.

    Our first conversation/skirmish was over Islam, you were attacking it and I felt the need to defend it.

    The conversation we had lead to both of us agreeing that Shabana Azmi was a delight to behold. Those were my first contribution and you have been a constant witness to what has happened during the intervening year.

    It seems, I have out-stayed my welcome and have become the cause why people – who are indisputably better than I – have left this blog.

    Time they came back.

    Auf Wiedersehen, Pet

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  • Ravi

    Shan

    Close to a year ago, whilst browsing the blogs here, I came across your “rationalist” and “humanist” posts which got me motivated to contribute.

    Our first conversation/skirmish was over Islam, you were attacking it and I felt the need to defend it.

    The conversation we had lead to both of us agreeing that Shabana Azmi was a delight to behold. Those were my first contribution and you have been a witness to what has happened in the intervening year.

    It seems I have out-stayed my welcome and have become the cause of people who are indisputably better than I have left this blog.

    Time the came back.

    Auf Wiedersehen, Pet

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    rajiv Reply:

    For anyone posting here, the first thing to know is what is the motivation ?

    If you are a person of Indian origin, then I assume your purpose is to see India improve and see a better India. For that you do constructive criticism, criticizing policies you dont like and suggesting solutions. You don’t keep only talking about the negatives but suggest what positive changes you would like to see.
    You dont stand out and throw stones and shout abuses , unless you are not of Indian origin and have some other motivation.

    People, other bloggers, will judge you based on your motivations, as reflected in your postings.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Ravi-

    With all the tussles you and I had, I would still like debating with you.

    However, you should stop providing distorted visions; also stop magnifying unrealistic what ifs (what if RSS takes over India) while minimizing real and present threats like Islamic terrorism.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    complaining about your offer to vinod was not serious on my part. would like to talk to you. but as said, correctly, this blog and myself needs some rest. it has become toxic like Zia’s b;\log, and vinod thinks that he is being impartial, allowing trash in his blog.

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  • jai vaidya

    Ravi,
    “It’s safe for me to conclude that they favour a secular liberal interpretation of Indian history” No, they do not.They are simply careerists who bend basic rules according to their current pay masters. In short they are sepoy historians of the collaborationist school. If you have only read John Keay and Wendy Doniger you might have been affected by radioactive toxin .
    Bobby Jindal , Keith Vaz, Nikki Haley and Mohinder Chowdry who worked tirelessly at the grass roots level before making a name for themselves in politics. MADAME did not come as an immigrant. She came as a bride of a prince, ansd thus became a princess, and now is the annointed one.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Goodbye Ravi

    After you atone for bringing about the fall of a family public forum for posting porno we can consider you . However on behalf of the bloggers here I think you should stop coming here for a month.

    Thank you

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  • Ashish

    @Tajender
    Yawn!
    So tired after all the sex- (not telling), violence (hush), trivia- here, property- plead guilty, stock market- meri aukat nahi hai, entertainment- at my age?, drinking- wait till Saturday, eating- one has to live, cheating- not my wife, okay?, Kamasutra- can I borrow your copy?

    Dear Tajender, why do people dislike you so much? You provide me so much mirth and joy!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv and others

    ~~ :D :D ~~~ WHY THE CONGRESS CANNOT TAKE RAMDEV LIGHTLY ~~ :D :D ~~~

    I may have a vested interest in supporting Ramdev as I benefited immensely from Pranayam as taught by him and so would crores of his followers. Having learnt Yoga at the age of ten at Dhirendra brahmachari’s ashram in the eighties, I would still rate Ramdev as less materialistic and a better teacher of Yog than the many gurs I encountered.

    However even though I support his fight against corruption and also kow that this has been taken in a secular manner– and not under a Hindu banner– I still have srong reservations about his economic program which does not fit in with a globalising India.

    But the good part is that the Congress will not be able to do a defamation tricck on Ramdev. If Amar dalal or any newspaper comes out with a fake CD, it would discover that it has lost its circulation. Ramdev’s following is too huge to be ignored.

    When Brinda Karat, to established a CITU union in uttrakhand levelled false charges on Ramdev, using the NDTV platform, both NDTV and Brinda ended up being almost eradicated.

    Today many newspapers like the Express and even the HT are sniping at Ramdev. They have not been able to find a single charge of corruption or balckmoney. They are now trying the communal route– as the preprogrammed Tur-ds pn this site are spewing.

    But they will lose. HEAVILY !!

    On the plus side we are now actually assured of a Lokpal bill. Maybe some action on Swiss bank names. here the presence of Mr Q’s and Mr Ardbo’s accounts scares the COngress :D :D :D

    On the negative side we have to ensure it does not become a swadeshi thing to cut down our global footprint…
    On the negative side

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay, Hope you been to RAMLILA maidan , where Baba is holding his fast. APPARENTLY HE MET THE CONGRESS TROIKA AT CLARIDGES(didn’t know claridges of london has a branch in delhi)
    The arrangements at ramlila is FIVE STAR , AIR COOLERS , 600 FANS , FOODS GALORE.
    They arenot dropping from the sky as result of baba’s Yoga , but being paid for by the very people against whom so much hulla bullo. As for your Pranayam, and whatever malaki , you could have SELF TAUGHT your self, just like you mentioned about REAR ENTRY(doggy position) in one of your post to tejender.
    Dhirendra Bramhachari used to be RASPUTIN of India.
    One of my uncle (long dead at ripe age of 90),used to be a highly critically acclaimed script writer in Bollywood. his scripts have graced many of bimal Roy’s films. he also received national award.I have watched from close quarters as a child these BABAS. The one that was popular with my uncle was MOUNI BABA, he didn’t speak thus Mouni ,only gave written instructions.
    The ONLY REASON people flocked is because of DEEP INSECURITY , knowing the fickle nature of film ox office.many of the devotees had lot odf skeleton in the cubbard , like having mistress (mostly hapless widows) including my uncle.
    YOU NEED THE RAYS OF BENGAL RENAISSANCE/YOUNG BENGAL SHINE ON YOU
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Bengal

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    You may be a doctor but it is not necessary that you would be knowing everything about good health :D

    As such western medicine is right now relying too much on chemcals to cure. It would take time but one day the idea would finallyt sink in that air, sunlight and natural elements along with excercise are the best preventive medicine. Unfortunately many Indians are apologetic about thier own virasat.

    To call Yoga a placebo is… well funny !! I am sure when Madonna does Yoga, some Indians would fill their chest with air in pride; not so when a yogi from India does it. :D

    Let me tell you I know something about medicien and two of my tennis partners are doctors, and so is my brother who runs a fairly successfull hospital in Delhi. Well I keep reminding them that there is no confrontation betwen Yoga and medicine. Both have to integrate.

    Decades back the British used to call Yogis contortonists. But then now they PARTLY know how good it is…

    As for Brahamchari… his name was linked to the prima donna of the COngress party. AND HE WAS GOOD at Physical yoga. And also liked his drinks as much as I do….

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay This is BABA NAAM KEBALAM
    Views on AIDS and sex education

    In December 2006, Swami Ramdev claimed to cure diseases such as AIDS and cancer through yoga and ayurvedic drugs sold by his Divya Yoga Mandir Trust. He also went on to suggest that sex education should be replaced by yoga, which was the way to AIDS awareness, prevention and cure.[30] “Sex education in schools need to be replaced by yoga education,” Ramdev told reporters at the state health minister’s residence on Monday. As a consequence of these public statements he was sent a cease and desist order by the Indian Union Health Ministry to avoid making such claims in the future, and the civil society threatened legal action.[31] In response, Ramdev retracted his statement and said the claims were not directly his, but those of patients who practiced yoga.[32]
    [edit] Claims of curing cancer

    Other press reports quoted him as claiming to have a cure for cancer of the breast, liver, prostate, uterus, pituitary gland, brain tumors and leukemia by practicing the seven breathing exercises. In a residential camp held in Yog Gram, Haridwar during 19–25 June 2008, several cancer patients stepped forward to recount first-hand stories of their successful bouts with blood, prostate and breast cancer using Pranayam or breathing exercises.[33] Swami Ramdev has claimed having documented proof of his successes, but has failed to provide any to the media or the Ministry of Health.
    [edit] Views on homosexuality

    In July 2009, when Delhi High Court gave a verdict under decriminalizing homosexuality in Delhi, Baba called a press conference and said, “this verdict of the court will encourage criminality and sick mentality. This kind of thing is shameful and insulting to all of us. We are blindly following the West in everything. This is breaking the family system in India. Homosexuals are sick people, they should be sent to hospitals for treatment. If the government brings this law, I will take this matter to the streets of Delhi in protest.”[34]

    Contrary to the much hyped news that Baba Ramdev called Homosexuality a disease, actually he called homosexuality a Vikruti (in Hindi) which is a state of imbalance in an individual[35].
    [edit] Awards and recognitions

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Shan-

    So what is your point? Doesnt Ramdev have a right to campaign against corruption? Shouldnt people leaders like him force political leaders in the right things? So, what if he has fans and air conditioning? Has he ever been against those?

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    shan Reply:

    @Raju kurien , i would like a forward planning for retribution in response to another 26/11,
    BUT I WOULDN’T ENTRUST DIGGY DUFFER SINGH TO CALL THE SHOTS.
    Similarly HISTRIONICS by BABA(ex security guard) is not the right way to proceed when taking on such a herculian task of “controlling” corruption.you can only control corruption you cannot wipe it , A BIT LIKE PROSTITUTION , BUYERS AND SELLERS, GIVERS AND TAKERS

    Observer Reply:

    CQ’s message to Indian people is is ” Stay poor, stay healthy , leave wealth to us”

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Pankaj

    You are right that there has been a huge fall in the utility and social value of this blog ever since two uninvited people sought to take the forum to depths to divert attention from the real issues challenging the nation.

    However we can also extrapolate these actions into real life situations of India on how our national resolve is weakened and our fight against corruption, communalism and ISI gets distracted by vested interests who want India weakened.

    To stretch the arguement further, why cannot Fake Tajendar post under his real name of Moot andar Hussain Tur-d? The answer is obvioius. He wants to create resentment against Sikhs by HIndus.

    I doubt whether he has the IQ to read what he posts by cutting and pasting. It is mechanical stuff generated from some ISI propganda outfit.

    So let us not take any goons who weaken our resolve seriously; neither let any wasted character weaken our resolve to fight.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Thanks. No, far from my resolve being weakened, on the contrary, it strengthens. as my resolve feeds on adversity, in complacense, it gets lazy. I am really busy with work and I have to snatch time for this blog, as this is addictive as well.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Dawn news reports that militans from Afghanistan are now entering Pakistan and killing its troops.

    Could this be the begining o the formatin of Pashtunistan???? :D

    Robert Blackwill has been working for this….

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    I just noticed- tajender’s posts have been erased from Sharmaji’s posts. Thank you VINODji
    I am a bit shell shocked by the ugliness of it all, but will be back later.

    My periscope shows tajender also sinking to bottom of sea where brother Osma awaits to give him a Ravi- hug
    from behind hehe

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    shan PROVIDES ENTERTAINMENT ON A lazy London summer afternoon.
    I admire his lovely writing style, his random thought processes, informing us of his uncle’s mistresses.
    Shan beta, I luv you, this blog would be a dry place without your pearls-

    “”"The arrangements at ramlila is FIVE STAR , AIR COOLERS , 600 FANS , FOODS GALORE.
    … As for your Pranayam, and whatever malaki , you could have SELF TAUGHT your self, just like you mentioned about REAR ENTRY(doggy position)…..
    One of my uncle (long dead at ripe age of 90),….many of the devotees had lot odf skeleton in the cubbard , like having mistress (mostly hapless widows) including my uncle.
    YOU NEED THE RAYS OF BENGAL RENAISSANCE/YOUNG BENGAL SHINE ON YOU”"”

    SHAN BABU please do shine these rays up your own backside first, everyone says your brain is tucked near there somewhere
    hehe

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    I SWEAR SHAN, my shoulders are shaking so much with laughter, i will dislocate myself. Priceless, this man is a doctor hehehe

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    saala, kya saverey seh hi bhang pee ke baith jaata hai, doctor SPANK-MY-BOTTOM-I-LIKE-THAT- MY NAME IS KHAN- SHAN

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    shan Reply:

    @Balls winder SPANK MY BOTTOM Bhondhu, This is a joke based on fact about sardar’s BOTTOM PHILIA.
    Two persons brought before YUMRAJ ,after premature death. Yumraj said I am going
    give you a second chance. You will be sent back to marth(prithvi), BUT IF YOU SHOW ANY TEMPTATION YOU WILL BE PULLED BACK HERE.
    so these two fellows ONE MARWARI ONE SARDAR was released on the streetsof hira mandi in delhi.
    THE SARDAR WAS WALKING JUST BEHIND THE MARWARIS.
    now while walking ,the marwari saw a gold coin lying on the street. He immediately BENT FORWARDS to pick up the gold coin.
    BOTH WERE HAULED BACK IN FRONT OF YUMRAJ.
    work out why SARDAR was ALSO hauled back.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    shan/ balwinder;
    are we trying to fill the vaccume, being felt by absence of R & T?

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shan
    I have a similar one for Pathans. Once a big leader in Pakistan said Pakistaan pichche reh gaya hai. The right wing protested vehemently and demanded that he be more specific or apologise. The leader replied:
    1) Sindh development wich piche rah gaya hai
    2) Balochistan patriotism wich piche rah gaya hai
    3) Punjab federalism wich piche rah gaya hai
    4) NWFP apne aap piche rah gaya hai
    Guess why the NWFP that is known for its strong nadda tradition did that?

  • B.V.SHENOY

    My dear friends,

    I am back on this blog. Not with a bang, not with whimper either. Just as if I was never away for long.
    Like with many of you, this blog has grown on me too as I never imagined it would.

    I am also happy that due to the sustained and unrelenting campaign for the ouster of the two pests (hereforth they will remain un-named)by all of you, we now will have breathing space here.

    Congratulations to all of you. Let us hope both of them are now at the bottom of the sea in deep embrace with Osama on whose call they had become jihadi terrorists.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Shenoy sahab;
    Welcome back. Your felicity with english language had been acknowledged by me long time back, but the affection, you have generated in Vinod’s and others’ heart is unprecedented. Ram prasad Bismil’s immortal words–sar faroshi ki tamnna, rounding it up with_ Aab teri himmat ka charcha, gair ki mahfil main hai. lately,I have become fond of this blog, which is proving quite detrimental to my work, but it also makes my day and I feel that I am not a workoholic only. I was ready to engage with T and R also, if only they could use civil and coherent language. Underlying, that I do not work on a script and have all respect for freedom of thoughts and liberty to express in a civil manner.
    anyway, I will request people, who have withdrawn from this blog to come back as I would not like this blog to have only one view being presented all the time.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    @Shenoy,
    Glad to see you back.
    Quite honestly , I am truly happy to see you back at this blog. Trust me – we drunk liberals never lie with our feelings.
    Can we please, start kicking each other’s butts again , OK – metaphorically , as and when we get chance ?
    Oh , and by the way since you are back – your old pals Prabhat and Manohar won’t be far behind as well. Hoping you to see having “discussion” with them soon as well. ;-)
    Seriously, you were truly missed here and I am sure you missed us – the “liberal gang” – as well. See, even Tajendar is happy that you are back .
    I guess – this is the thing with our lives , you complete us and we complete you.
    Again, nice to see you back . Let the “Kick-Boxing” begin.
    - Mahesh.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Liberal :) seriously…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahesh,

    AMEN & INSHAH ALLAH!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Am glad that you are back. Aage se jyada nakhra na karen.Yeh blog aapka bhi utna hi hai jitna mera aur doosron ka.
    But I must tell you one thing. Until Tajender and Ravi arrived, you would praise me of letting all kinds of critical (even personally insulting) posts remain without any censorship. That is why I was surprised by your demand to proscribe T and R. Because I want you and others here, debating, joking and bantering happily, may I suggest that let us ignore those who we think are misbehaving or are below par intellectually.
    We may never agree on many issues. But I’m really pleased that you are back and want to welcome you with a big hug . But please don’t read any meaning into it as that’s the way we punjabis (err Indians in the state of punjab) show affection for friends. Also, I know that I can never be a replacement for Vijay :) ) :) ) .

    PS: If Balwinder Sandhu is reading this, he may also like to return, for a big Punjabi (err Indian) hug. :) ) :) )

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    Thanks for the kind sentiments you have expressed.

    Yes, you deserve unqualified praise and ‘big thup, thup’s’ on your back for being a great sport as far as gallantly accepting even stinking garbage in the form of criticism.

    At the same time, I felt you had given a long rope to these anti-India, anti-Hindu, garrulous, garbage-eating, garbage-spewing suspected terrorists, who had gate-crashed into this blog, never to return to Pakistan. However, we all are happy that those things are now in the past.

    Vinodji, I have known some of the best Punjabis and also some vermins who spoke Punjabi during my 22 years’ life in Delhi. My neighbours on both sides were P’s and I have had great holi’s with the P.ladies from the neighbourhood. So, a hug from you will remain memorable, I assure you, Sir.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Shenoys I presume are Konknis. Will you please educate me about K women? Or are you a drop-out from your community :) )

  • shan

    @Vijay, BABA NAAM KEBALAM
    Views on AIDS and sex education

    In December 2006, Swami Ramdev claimed to cure diseases such as AIDS and cancer through yoga and ayurvedic drugs sold by his Divya Yoga Mandir Trust. He also went on to suggest that sex education should be replaced by yoga, which was the way to AIDS awareness, prevention and cure.[30] “Sex education in schools need to be replaced by yoga education,” Ramdev told reporters at the state health minister’s residence on Monday. As a consequence of these public statements he was sent a cease and desist order by the Indian Union Health Ministry to avoid making such claims in the future, and the civil society threatened legal action.[31] In response, Ramdev retracted his statement and said the claims were not directly his, but those of patients who practiced yoga.[32]
    [edit] Claims of curing cancer

    Other press reports quoted him as claiming to have a cure for cancer of the breast, liver, prostate, uterus, pituitary gland, brain tumors and leukemia by practicing the seven breathing exercises. In a residential camp held in Yog Gram, Haridwar during 19–25 June 2008, several cancer patients stepped forward to recount first-hand stories of their successful bouts with blood, prostate and breast cancer using Pranayam or breathing exercises.[33] Swami Ramdev has claimed having documented proof of his successes, but has failed to provide any to the media or the Ministry of Health.
    [edit] Views on homosexuality

    In July 2009, when Delhi High Court gave a verdict under decriminalizing homosexuality in Delhi, Baba called a press conference and said, “this verdict of the court will encourage criminality and sick mentality. This kind of thing is shameful and insulting to all of us. We are blindly following the West in everything. This is breaking the family system in India. Homosexuals are sick people, they should be sent to hospitals for treatment. If the government brings this law, I will take this matter to the streets of Delhi in protest.”[34]

    Contrary to the much hyped news that Baba Ramdev called Homosexuality a disease, actually he called homosexuality a Vikruti (in Hindi) which is a state of imbalance in an individual[35].

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  • shan

    @vinod sharma, Blimey , saw you on NDTV, the discussion was DUMBO, nidhi is pretty , but thats about it. SUHAIL IS BENGALEE (well he grew up in cal and his manner of speaking and everything is COFFEE HOUSE /PRESIDENCY COLLEGE mould.
    You had a VALID POINT , that this Baba is essentially MADARI.
    It only happens in india because people are INSECURE,in west RIGHT WING RACIST DEMAGOGUES DRAW SUCH CROWDS OR ATTENTION IN TIMES OF ECONOMIC DISTRESS.
    i fully agree with you MAOIST problem has POVERTY AT ITS CORE ,exploited by the RECRUITERS , probably paid for by CHINA.
    CHANDAN MITRA was speaking as expected of a defence lawyer trying to defend AJMAL KASAB.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I also watched the debate. Vinod Sharma though very sympathetic to Congress did not oppose Ramdev outright. Suhel was busy with one liners and frankly speaking kept changing his stance from contempt for Baba to kind of tacit support. He seemed totally confused. Chandan Mitra was serious and should have replied witty and caustic remarks by Suhel-Vinod. Mitra’s style of debating is too polite and he is not aggressive enought.
    Kiran Bedi was OK.

    But the dumbo crown goes to Nidhi…The way she conducted the debate looked like court martial of BJP. I fail to understand why everyone keeps asking why did BJP did not do XYZ during their 6 yeras rule? How much can a govt. do in 6 years rule when so much has not been done in 50 years rule of Congress? The media needs to have a sense of proportion.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    you have raised some very valid questions.

    Nidhi only filled the vacuum created by the absence of the gas-bag, Manish Tiwari/Jayanti Natakarani. Nidhis’s performance as the congress (s)pokesperson was worthy of a Manish Tiwari. She can actually apply for the post of party spokesperson of the congress party.

    The BJP was a bumbling and stumbling party in the initial stages of their six-year rule. First they grappled with the atom bomb, vital to our security.

    Then on the economic front, they had to dismantle the licence-quota-permit raj, which, during the 45years of uninterrupted congress rule, had become an uncontrolable monster. They also had the unenvious task of carrying forward the stalled reform process, which Narasimha Rao had only begun, but Manmohan Singh gave a goodbye to, during the third year of its birth.

    The telecom revolution actually was initiated by the NDA. They also have the distinction of pushing forward the IT and ITES services to an unprecedented level.

    As Chandan Mitra explained in the debate, the Swiss banks were rigid in their centuries old secrecy laws specially enacted for safeguarding the interests of all the greatest thieves of the world. Which was why the NDA government could do precious little during their six years rule.

    Overall, their rule was beneficial for the country.

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    shan Reply:

    ’shenoy,only thing i liked about BJP rule ,is that they managed to bankrupt Bacchan,took possesion of his house. As for corruption , they were equally if not more corrupt,just reflect on MAHAJAN and his cocaine sniffing payal rohatgi sh agging father and son combo

  • Rajiv

    ————————————————————————
    Retd Pak air marshall’s view point
    ————————————————————————
    ( dont agree with everything he says, but he known for his frank views )

    “India is not interested in attacking Pakistan as a strong Pakistan is in its own interest,” Air Marshal (retd) Asghar Khan said on Thursday.

    Ridiculing the Indian-centric policies of establishment, he said that none of the four wars fought with India were started by Delhi. “From the first incursion after Independence in Kashmir till Kargil, all hostilities were started by us.” His lecture was arranged by the Institute of Strategic Studies Islamabad (ISSI) on “Pakistan’s Security PAF”, at the ISSI premises.

    Khan said that if Pakistan falls, India would be next, adding that “New Delhi is not insane to seek our fall”. He said that it was Pakistan that started operation in Kashmir before 1965 war and Kargil was also “our misadventure”.

    In his presentation, Khan held fast to his view that India is not interested in attacking Pakistan, which provoked quite a few who grilled the former admiral in the charged question-answer session that followed, but he dismissed all valid criticism. Some in the audience — including Islamabad’s top researchers, intellectuals, media persons, former diplomats, army officers and students – were heard saying that the speaker, now in his nineties, “did not quite have his grasp on realities”, both historical and current.

    In the panel discussion, the former air marshal and chief of Mehrek-e-Istaqlal, said there were many other politicians also disliked military action by Gen Yahya in 1971, but they did not speak out. “Gen Ziaul Haq senselessly started participating in Afghanistan war despite our opposition,” he said. He said that he openly opposed the operation against Mujaeebur Rahman and was called a traitor. He also urged service persons not to obey unlawful commands, but agreed it is difficult to decide which an illegal command is.

    History of the subcontinent shows that no incursion started from the south-east, it was always was from the north-west, he further added.

    He stressed that there is a dire need to increase budget allocation on education, which currently is around per cent. “It is criminal to spend less on education,” said Khan and advised that at least 10 per cent of the budget should be allocated to education.

    Earlier, the Director General of the Institute of Strategic Studies, Ambassador Ashraf Jahangir Qazi, introduced the speaker and said that he is an honest politician and could not achieve his political objectives because of his principled and candid stands. “National security is not only important for the armed forces, but it is equally important for all of us,” he said.

    In the end, the ISSI Chairperson Ambassador Gul Haneef, thanked the former air marshal on behalf of the institute for his scintillating talk. He concluded with the remark, “War is not in the country’s interest and democracy should be supported despite corruption.”

    (from tribune.com.pk )

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    There are sane voices there; however, they are drowned. Army has huge interest in self preservation because they own industries, real estate , constructionetc (in fact they are not a “fighting variety” any more because of all the commercial intersts)

    BTW I read somewhere that the military budget is increased in the latest budget.

    It may not be too far-fetched when the the Marshal tsays India falls if Pakistan falls – Terrorists will have a free for all time, they will move in here with dirty bombs, Mullahs may even fire bombs bevcause they do not have anything to lose and they do not care about their people.

    However, a solution to the Pakistani problem (from within or outside Pakistan) is elusive, since nobody is in charge and nobody knows how manmy parties should be brought in to make a deal.

    Let us hope that an Egyptian-Syrian-Tunisian type upsrising happens driven by the youth to take back the country. It may be a remote possibility because of the complete rewriting of history, whereas Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc did not rewrite their history

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    S Singh Reply:

    Thought you were banished…

    Dont you have anything else?

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajiv,
    This is one of those “sane voices” from Pakistan which need moral support from our side. “Moral Support” – as in encouraging the view that a armed conflict is going to be terribly costly on either side of borders. Perhaps the first step could be internalising this view on our side of the border and simultanously increasing similar awareness on other side of the border.
    Am willing to be flamed and contested on this position.
    - Mahesh.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    Love your approach and interaction. Now mahesh may be not serious about having a toast, but I am. whenever, i cross your path or you cross mine, please feel free to have some discussion in Suroor. My stock at Home is excellent and I am a gracious host too.
    In the heat of the moment, if, I had used some impolite language, You may remind me and I will make amends.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    Thanks dear. Look forward to have you over or be with you for a swig. I love my drinks for that’s the way I unwind.

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  • Diva

    Vinodji,

    Nice post,I agree broadly with your views on BJP though you seem to be donning the role of a congress spokesperson nowadays on various news channels.
    When it formed the government at the center,it was good to see ministers less arrogant than the congress and much more democratic than the congress.I also felt happy when BJP formed the government in Karnataka for the first time as I thought India would soon see a two party system with strong inner-party democracy akin to US.
    Curiously,In both Center & Karnataka,Political compulsions have increased on the government after a strong mandate.I believe this is because Manmohan Singh and Yeddyurappa are essentially weak leaders with little or no support from the power-centers with in their respective parties.
    Im a self-confessed BJP supporter and though I would love BJP to be at the helm of affairs at the center,I would want a strong BJP which could take tough decisions not like the present UPA or even Present BJP govt at the center.

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  • Binoy Hegde

    a good NY Times article about Ramdev/Anna’s hunger strike against corruption in India – today’s NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/world/asia/03india.html

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ EVERYONE;
    WHY NOT THE WHOLE WORLD SHOULD UNITE AND FINISH THIS CRIMINAL ENTITY, WHICH GOES BY NAME PAKISTAN. WHY NOT????

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  • Rajiv

    Because you are still left with 170 milion people, even if you obliterate the Pak army/isi which rules pakistan. There political structure and feudal influence on it , is rotten.

    What the world should do is not finance and aid the pak establishment, which is a criminal entity.
    Only then, will pak perhaps throw up a better system for self survival, which would be more rational.

    The problem is that USA/Saudi/China have financed and aided the worst behaviour of the pak establishment.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv;
    Average pakistani is same as Indian stock. It is Army and that ideology, which has corrupted the whole nation. It is precisely in the same situation as Nazi Germany. After total destruction, allies should reconstruct it, use sort of marshal plan and try to teach whole new generation as new world partners. NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE, ANY THING SHORT OF IT AND WORLD HAS TO FACE AN ARMY OF 170 MILLIONS.I am talking of 30 years onwards, things will reach that state, no doubt about it. good people, in their thousands only in Pakistan now, will appreciate that.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    May be USA, China, Saudis have not the total picture, which Indians have, because of proximity and first hand experience. world is giving aspirin for Cancer.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    I do NOT WANT DESTRUCTION ANY WHERE. Beyond the sarhad or inside the Sarhad. No DESTRUCTION. But is any body hearing this? except for few dozens of even minded people. If you do not nip it in the bud, it is going to be in full blossam, It already has. You tell me the solution, if it is viable, I am with you.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Pankaj,
    All along my argument has been against “armed conflict” – even the low key ones. Those executing may not relate personally – but the “Knight Moves” (to borrow an Idiom from Mishraji – when we were discussing this topic) can turn out to be inflicting severe co-lateral damage.
    That said , here are contours of my thinking.
    An imploding Pakistani state (which is a less likely scenario – IMHO, more likely scenario is continuing stalemate for a long time between the jihadis and the Pakistani state till the point the jihadis are “militarily” down) will definitely spell trouble for us. So our best bet is still continued stable Pakistani state without any hostile relations with us. It is OK that we don’t maintain diplomatic ties with Pakistan, or are totally towards frigid with each other even to a point of total dis-engagement (another less likely scenario, but never mind for the argument’s sake). Armed conflict is not the way , though. From this perspective – a sustained engagement with sole intention of avoiding / minimising overt and covert hostilities should dictate future course of action. Baaki sab Friendship / Dostana etc. may be postponed for future.
    Well, that and hope. Beyoond that , nothing more.
    - Mahesh.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    Lately, I may be sounding as war monger, but if you read my posts patiently, I have never advocated pro active hostilities. our is only defensive response, against infiltrators and like, be it in Kashmir or any where in India. Now, another 26/11 and you no longer can maintain status quo, Has India government a contingency plan in place? or they will try to formulate reply starting from that time, which will take several weeks to implement and by that time, international attention is diverted and peaceniks all over will request India to restrain, being bigger country and all that. This has been going on since last six decades in various form. So are we really a weak state? and world has to refine and sustains its peaceniks at the expense of indian state? Nations will ridicule India and not sympathise. I can not see, any self respecting state, enduring such attacks for so long and not reacting?
    Now, if, had it been only Jihadis, trying to do this, would have been understood, but world knows and has incontrovertible evidence that it is Pakistani state, who is doing this. So, whether, state over come jihadis, militarily or not, problem will remain for India, as pakistani Army IS JIHADI. Do not want conflict, results are horrendous but is there a way out? You have not answered that. Hope is fine, but reality is fact. by the way, what is IMHO, do not know every acronyms.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Pankaj,
    To some extent I agree with you when you say ” Has India government a contingency plan in place” . Actually, if you notice carefully 26/11 exposed our own un-preparedness , At least till the point ITBP folks took over. Everything failed, Even the bullet-proof jackets failed the ATS officer Karkare (BTW, I don’t subscribe to the view that Karkare was killed in a conspiracy. Karkare and his team rushed into a situation un-prepared and without knowing what they were facing. Secondly, the “plain vanilla corruption” in procurement of Jackets turned out to be hugely costly affair in this context). I dread to think of this , but another such attack in immediate succession could’ve wreathed terrible havoc.
    I am not denying that of elements of Pakistani state are involved , but again these elements seek confrontation that will legitimise them.
    To answer your pointed question – is there a way out ? – well, nothing at the moment except trying every opportunity to minimise conflicts. The painful reality is – we are in a stalemate.
    - Mahesh.
    p.s. : Couple of acronyms that may be useful …..
    IMHO : In My Humble Opinion
    IMO : In My Opinion
    AFAIK : As Far As I Know
    Will post more later.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thank you very much Mahesh for acronyms. I believe, India is working at the strategy, as outlined by you. Despite these grave provocations, Indian behaviour proves that. I am talking of future scenarios. What is happening that, Pakistani state, using these jihadists, is testing indian resolve and every time, they find, that india is not reacting, will increase the attack a notch more. So, suggesting that its strategy of assymetrical warfare is succeeding. Under nuclear umbrellla of pakistan, pakistani state is getting bold and bolder. Where this will end? We are trying to defuse situation, while other party continues to exacerbate the situation. What you are saying about elements of pakistani state,They are Pakistani state. Zardari and Gillani are only civilian facade, the begging wing of pakistani Army. If the price of misadventure is raised, ultimate responsibility will be of pakistani Army’s and they will collapse under the burden of failure, relieving indians of a permanent headache. Situation is simply like, a goon, trying to extort a rich bsiness person, threatening him with dire consequences, if business man does not relent to its demands. How long it can go on?? I just want to have answer for this. what is the last straw, GOI is waiting for??

  • Pankaj#1

    Aab bahut din ho gaye, Modi, Modi, Rape Rape, Nahin suna, Not from vijay but from liberals. Maruti, with majority shares from japanese, want to invesat in Gujrat? How about Congress ruled states? Not in a position to attract investment, only interested in votes??

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Pankaj, like Binoy Hegde and Shenoy, I could not stay away for long. Dont worry about Shan and Balwinder praaji, its just harmless banter.
    Mere mortals like you and me just stand aside and enjoy the cruel humour-

    ……….
    Shan- ‘ YOU NEED THE RAYS OF BENGAL RENAISSANCE/YOUNG BENGAL SHINE ON YOU’

    Balwinder- ‘SHAN BABU please do shine these rays up your own backside first, everyone says your brain is tucked near there somewhere’
    hehe

    Balwinder – ‘ saala, kya saverey seh hi bhang pee ke baith jaata hai, doctor SPANK-MY-BOTTOM-I-LIKE-THAT- MY NAME IS KHAN- SHAN ‘
    ……………………

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mishraji;
    Your Googlies are welcome here. They work like ephedrine( Amphetamines)..

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    shan Reply:

    Panditji is bowled over by balls winder bhondhu ’s humour.SAYS A LOT ABOUT PANDITJI ‘S INTELLECT, SHALLOW AND COARSE.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/181760/silencing-pakistan/
    Hamid Mohsin;
    Not my hero, writer of : Making of a fundamentalist: which I purchased on full payment, is saying something for world to listen about deep state.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mishraji;
    About bengali females, they are so bewitching. Aparna sen and her progenies. Bengali males’ intellect is very stimulating too.
    Punjabis’ valour is world reknowned along with beauty. Every one, just try to read Kushwant Singh’s _ A train to Pakistan- and Balwant Singh’s – Ravi Paar-. Old things, but history has its own rewards.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    pankaj, I will be just passing through every now and then, will avoid throwing any googlies for now- will mainly observe.
    Balwant Singh wrote Ravi Paar, you said.

    Is thsi our very own Balwinder praaji writing on the hapless ravi, I WONDER. PRAAJI ALWAYS BRINGS A SMNILE TO MY FACE

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Bengali beauties
    like Aparna Sen are bewitching for sure.

    She is on her fourth(fifth?) husband
    But quite a woman she certainly is for sure :D

    But to hear a bong beauties yak yak and talk
    You need patience to endure

    A friend of mine
    A marwari Jain

    married to a bong for twenty years or so
    claims that the beauty has evaporated
    His fascination saturated

    But her talks and yak yak
    Only make him snore :D :) :)

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  • Pankaj#1

    OK;
    Was seeing a documentary, this being a Friday evening here, with title” Decoding Mayan Language’. Commentrator said, that Mayan civilizatin could be a Hindu civilization, as an elephant head( Ganesh?) was shown there. Elephants were never present in South America. I do not belong to Prof. Oak school, but this is exciting. Is it possible? Hindus need not to feel inferior in any way, apart from their sway in south east Asia,, China and even South america, we are a proud race.
    Critics are welcome.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Many liberal might ask if this documentary was RSS production. In India if you want to be liberal, you must disrespect Hindus and have total contempt for the hindu religion and at the same time you should be kissing a*rse of Maulvis and Christian Priests to prove that you are secular.

    The definition of Indian secularism is truly baffling…We allow european commission to visit Kandamahal to look at riots against christians and preach/order our govts. but we don’t even try to investigate murder of Laxmanand Saraswati.

    As a liberal we are supposed to get enraged on murder of staines and at the same time ignore illegal missionary activities of Staines.

    India is a joke…and hindus a very inferior race fit to be enslaved.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajeev I FULLY AGREE WITH YOUR LAST SENTENCE , but that applies after the muslim invaders came. Before that it was very good.With the Muslim rule HINDUS WITHDREW THEMSELVES MUSLIM RULERS did not do a SINGLE THING WORTH ITS NAME FOR THE BETTERMENT OF HINDUS
    NALANDA etc, were before Muslims.,IN FACT THEY VANDALISED QUITE A FEW
    Only after BRITS came Hindus REDISCOVERED THEMSELVES, first printed version of ramayana was printed from Univ Of cal 1856 or something.
    But these years of “foreign rule” HAD DESTROYED THE SOCIETY WITH THE EVIL OF BRAMHINS WORKING FULL TIME.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    I agree with your Header and body of post but it is footer or precisely, last line, with which I do not agree.
    I know, you are also somewhere abroad or at least you have seen world, but I presume,I have travelled more and/or seen the world more. Everywhere, as an Indian and Hindu, I have been treated with love and respect. EVERYWHERE. This could be partly with my profession and or/ status. Be it Middle East (Yes, middle east), Far East, Europe or North America, I have never felt that being a Hindu has worked against me, if not for me. Having pride in our ancestors and their achievements is not a bad thing and I think most of the people will agree with this. Stretch that pride 1000/ 2000 years back and feeling good about is same. You can not refuse scientific, mathematical or physican, Philosphical geniuses of yore of hindu origin.

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    Ravi Reply:

    :)

    Ravi Reply:

    :) ,:)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    How is Osama-f*ck going on? :)

  • Rizwan

    Mishraji, alwinder paaji, Ashish, Shenoy and Hegde- ghar aaya mera pardesi- welcome back, this blog is not the same without you.
    So tajender lays claim like all pakistanis to the ‘glory of islamic rule in Spain’- and sure it was glorious. but they begrudge the hindus the right to claim Indus valley civilisation as their own. I trace this civilisation as my own as well. tajender always does =divide and rule
    and REMEMBER MY ABBA JAAN HAD SAID ABOUT SHRILL shan- he craves attention and actually loves being humiliated here. well paaji has made the right medical diagnosis- doctor SPANK-MY-BOTTOM-I-LIKE-THAT- MY NAME IS KHAN- SHAN ‘
    hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    shan Reply:

    @Rizwan , Your abba needs to spank your bottom , so that you do something on your own RATHER THAN SPEND REST OF YOUR AS A PARASITE

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    shan Reply:

    @tejender , the jalil,ignorant buffoon
    Tajmahal WAS BUILT FROM MARBLES QUARRIED FROM RAJASTHAN , ALL THE ARTISANS WERE HINDUS , IN FACT EVERY ARTISANS FINGER WAS CHOPPED OF SO THAT A SECOND CANNOT BE BUILT.
    islamic rule in india did TWO THINGS , conversion and build grand mosques.
    NOT A SINGLE UNIVERSITY WAS FOUNDED.
    The rulers only preoccupation WAS FILLING THEIR HAREMS(includingAKBAR)
    Jehangir was such a moron HE HAD NEVER SEEN SEA , thus India never had a naval force
    ALSO INDIA’S 1000 YRS HISTORY OF MARITIME TRADE FROM BENGAL TO THAILAND CAMBODIA ,INDONESIA ,all stopped.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ tajendar the Tur-d

    Eeeeks !! U r back !! Let’s flush you out into the WC !!! :D :D :D

    GO back to PAK-Shit-stan and spread your nonsense nobody reads… nobody understands… your comrade supeturds are awaiting u there… :D :D

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Its very nice here, two rabbis infected **** dogs barking and nobody not even sweeper at vinnus office responding to them, maja aya

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  • shan

    Expert comment is , india has too many people with very small land mass
    2. the neighbouring MUSLIM countries are sapping india’s resources by ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
    FORCING HINDUS OUT FROM THEIR COUNTRY , AND FORMENTING CONSTANT TROUBLE WITH TERRORIST INFILTRATION.
    The Indian muslims DO NOT HELP BY REMAINING SILENT AT BEST AND COLLUDING AT WORST,AND CONSTANTLY REFUSING TO COME UNDER UNIFORM CIVIL CODE

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    I heard a CNN report that the drone which killed Illiyas Kashmiri was operated by a Hare Krishna Brahmin.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ SHan

    Puttar… yoga will clear up your mind and the last pipe which lets the waste flow :D

    You do need the Yoga revolution …

    Honestly as an engineer… I think modern medicine has a lot to learn from yoga or for that matter sports so that in the end Health of a human being is improved. Of course health is about excercise and if you are sick, then medicine.

    I appreciate and admire the work done in hospitals. And I equally admire the work done by psychologists and psychiatrists who showed that the mind had a huge role to play in your health. Just as the mind factor was laughed at by doctors before 1950, so is the balance of air, sunlight and water laughed at by many doctors today.

    And that is the reason for many diseases like Asthma, coronary heart disease, cancer, arthirites… and a thousand other ailments.

    If you read Dean Ornish– you will know how he proved that heart disease is REVERSIBLE.
    Ramdev in my view has contributed to human health as much as Pasteur, Fleming and Jonas Salk. Visit his yoga camp and realise the benefits. And you will actually meet Cancer survivers.

    I can vouch for him at a personal level. I was lucky to escape a bomb blast which shook up a market in Delhi and many people had been hit. My car was close by and I ended up inhaling toxic fumes. And suddenly found myself in an ICU and was discharged soon.

    However I developed irregular heartbeat and even though I am a regular palyer of quash and tennis, always found myself fatigued and was pun on betaloc and aspirin by my doctor.

    But one week of pranayam which I do everyday now, got me fit and fine and running around the squash court…

    So dont call it placebo. DO it… that’s it !

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    shan Reply:

    @Vijay , though I am a surgeon with reach in most of its subspecialities , I am also alert to other disciplines of medicine. What you had is POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER . all your symptoms emanates from that.That you got cured is because of your faith in ramdev or pranayam
    which is what the brain accepted rejecting the firings from your memory cells,thus curing you.
    THIS IS THE BASIS OF PLACEBO
    In a trial with people suffering from OVERATIVE BLADDER (a condition where people have irrestible urge to go to toilet , sometimes fail to make it , becoming incontinent)
    20% people on dummy tablets got cured as opposed to 30% genuine tablets.
    THAT BRAIN HAS ENORMOUS CONTROL ON OUR INTESTINES ,BLADDER, HEART IS WELLKNOWN FOR CENTURIES.some of it is INDIRECT , by stimulating ADRENAL gland which is again controlled by secretions from pitutary which is controlled by hypothalamus in BRAIN.YOUR ERECTILE FUNCTION HAS MASSIVELY TO DO WITH BRAIN(I see a lot of patients , main problem is stress)
    BUT NOT EVERY THING is controlled by brain , like your BONES,
    To claim CANCER IS CURED OR ITS COURSE INFLUENCED BY PRANAYAM IS LIKE CLAIMING “IF YOU KILL A KUFFER ,72 VIRGINS ARE WAITING IN ZANNAT FOR NOOKIES”

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    I am not degrading your speciality as a surgeon. In fact have full respect for it. Only today I have come back from Max where my mom has been operated for a hip bone fracture. The new procedure developed of nailing the bones together is a surgery marvel which reduces the patients suffering and reduces his/her time on bed which used to be months earlier.

    I am even willing to concede that I would have been suffering from post traumatic disorder after the blast. COnceded. And it was not an easy condtion let me tell you. For example if you had flight to catch, later you had to attend a six hour meeting and then come back…

    It had started scaring the pants of me…

    But… Now the big but… :D

    If Pranayam could get me out of this condition in a week, and not the betaloc and Aspirin which I had been taking for months why should not doctors integrate it into daily lives of patients?

    Let me stress I have fuill respect for the doc who was giving me the medicines. He is good and well read.

    What i am stressing is the rythem of breathing which Yogis prescribe can handle many many many situations and ailments.

    SO IT IS DEFINATELY NOT A PLACEBO…. :D

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Vijay, yoga does not cure fractures or cancer or a heart attack. But you are right- it does amazing things and many of my patients have had their lives turned around by it.
    30 years ago at AIIMS EXPERIMENTS WERE DONE ON EXTREME YOGA, these were reported. You had yogis who could drop thier heart rate down to 30, could reverse aspirate fluid from a beaker into their bladder via a catheter and could undergo surgery without anesthesia.
    I remember an international conference in India and the brilliant Prof Anand showing these slides.
    So, yes, yoga can do some amazing things, and the best has still to be researched and documented

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    Interesting discussion! Now let me throw a bouncer on you.

    Shan just mentioned that the bones are not controlled by the brain. Now let me give you a Yoga perspective.

    Ultimately it is one body. Since I use the muscular and nervous system as instructed by the brain. And the muscular system eventually moves my skelatal system, so the brain does control the bones…..

    However let me come back to the point why medicine does not integrate Yoga as much as it should. Medicine is based on the metered dose. On the exactess of lab analysis. That this much of Crocin would give this effect and so on.

    In my view there is no clash. We can always integrate pranayam and YOg as a basic background which would be a part of everyone’s life as preventive medicine. And in case of sickeness or disease you would have stronger resistence.

    I would also take up issues on curing heart disease. Read Dr Dean Ornish. And also the results his followers are achieving. He had come to India in the earl eighties. Learnt Yoga in the US. Integrated it with good vegetarian food and developed an excercise regime which has REVERSED HEART DISEASE WITHOUT SURGERY.

    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Vijay, the west is only now waking upto the benefits of vegetarian diet. In our Yorkshire university, they found that 20% of girls between the ages of 18-30 were evgetarian. 40 years ago the figure would have been 0 %.
    everyone knows that sehwag and Vijay kumar the world wrestling champ, etc are vegetarian

    shan Reply:

    @vijay , what you got of pranayam is regularly advised by doctors. Meditation is good for MILD HYPERTENSION , may even cure it , BUT WOULDN’T TRY YOUR LUCK IF YOU HAVE SEVERE/MALIGNANT HYPERTENSION.There is a thing called behavioural feed back theraphy , USED ROUTINELY in all different kind of conditions in hospitals in UK

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    Were the Vegetarians Asians of Indian origin or were they also the local white Brits. I do know that many famous personalities like Paul Macartney and Greg Chappell are veggies. But is is going mass?

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    I am sure hypetension has many reasons, which you as a doctor would know more about. However in my view, regular pranayam and excercise could get you off for many conditions.
    Of course in case of severe hypertension medicinal intervention would be a necessity…

    Dr Mishra Reply:

    sorry should have mentioned- the figure for the 20% veg girls applied to white girls

    Dr Mishra Reply:

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/182247/drone-strike-kills-five-in-south-waziristan-officials/
    MY HEART SINGS WITH JOY- as Gopi Thomas mentions below- the most anti Indian terrorist after Dawood- Ilyaas kashmiri- is dead. I hope news is genuine. I had mentioned him several times on this blog before

    shan Reply:

    Not that i ever had any iota of respect for “cow belt” mishra’s intellect
    LET ME ONE MORE TIME PUT PAID TO HIS GARBAGE ABOUT VEGETARIANISM
    with vegetarianism india will be enslaved another 1000yrs , I would strongly recommend all sources of protein mix and match ,beef(less) pork, chicken, FISH9strongly recommend if possible to afford, and i am talking about NATIONAL POLICY)
    however now read on

    . Those who think vegetarianism is an easy, worry-free way to achieve better health would do well to consider some of the long-term implications of not eating meat, or, for vegans, any animal products. The challenges include getting enough protein and B vitamins in your diet, as well as ensuring that you don’t go overboard on soy, processed foods, unhealthy sugars and carbs. A vegetarian diet can be full of unexpected pitfalls if you’re not prepared to work on getting balanced nutrition.

    Finding a good source of protein for each meal can be a challenge, at first, for vegetarians. Most North Americans are accustomed to having some form of meat at each meal, even when another high-protein food is present, yet for vegetarians it is these other sources of essential amino acids that are vital for a balanced diet. Without adequate amounts of each of the 9 essential amino acids, some vegetarians experience “brain fog,” memory loss, tiredness, moodiness due to blood sugar highs and lows, lack of motivation, and poor performance at work or during exercise. Westerners living in enough relative wealth to contemplate vegetarianism as a lifestyle choice will almost never experience the kind of protein starvation that results in serious illnesses – but even slight protein deficiency can have a real impact on mental and physical health.

    Similarly, vitamin B, iron, calcium, and other vitamins and minerals are a concern for vegans and vegetarians. Meat, eggs, and dairy are generally considered the best sources for these nutrients, some of which – such as B12 – cannot be readily absorbed or processed in the human body from plant sources (B12 is the most common nutritional deficiency in the developing world and possibly in the U.S., reports the Harvard Health Letter). For this reason, most vegetarians and particularly vegans must supplement their B vitamins, calcium, and iron or eat fortified foods like protein bars/powders, soy or rice milk, and cereals (which are, to varying degree, processed in ways that may be unhealthy – see below).

    Read more at Suite101: Disadvantages of Going Veg: A Guide to those Considering the Health Impact of Vegetarianism | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/disadvantages-of-going-veg-a13587#ixzz1OJ7WFZzG

    shan Reply:

    Would panditji like to tell us where is university of yorkshire campus situated. To my knowledge THERE IS NO SUCH INSTITUTION CALLED UNIVERSITY OF YORKSHIRE
    just like there is nothing called university of Jhumri Tillaiya

  • Dr Mishra

    saw RAZA MURAD at baba Ramdev giving a strong endorsement, despite bollywood getting cold feet.
    What was also lovely was the words he used, besides his urdu sher- shayri, he used words like bharat varsha, sanskriti, sabhyata, dandit, paap- effortlessly, unself conciously.
    And of course there is his deep resonant voice.
    AND THRE LIES ALSO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU TAJENDER AND HIM, he engages, does not sneer, he partakes of both civilisations

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  • Dr Mishra

    @vijay kumar, please do not use language like tur-d-s and pakshitsatan, takes the sheen off your otherwise readable posts
    talk like Raza muraad instead

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  • shan

    @guys , LOOKS LIKE AMAR MOTA SINGH AND BACCHAN IN A SPOT OF BOTHER
    The ED has already initiated a probe into six “fake” core companies in which Mr Amitabh Bachchan is a major shareholder along with Mr Amar Singh. Though the directorate has not yet called them for questioning, it has prepared a questionnaire to grill Mr Singh and Mr Bachchan. The two would soon receive a notice to present themselves in the ED office for questioning. The six companies, along with as many as 43 shell companies, have reportedly made unlawful gains to the tune of Rs 400 crore for Mr Bachchan, Mr Singh and his wife, Pankaja, ED sources said. The ED will study the financial record of six core companies which were believed to be controlled by Mr Singh but not involved in any active business to earn the kind of income projected

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    I too heard a rumour that Baba Ramdev has summoned Amar Singh to present himself at Ramlila Maidan along with our friend Vinod Sharma and the fake CD, together with the fake FSL report.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    :D Shenoy

    Welcome back…

    Shenoy sahab which channel is this news on????????

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Here comes the RSS — Rumour Spreading Society from Bangalore where it has been headquartered to save Yeddy. Now I know why you were unwilling to keep away from this blog. Your masters instructed you to be back and do this job you have been assigned.
    I also have a sneeking feeling that you run when painted in a corner. Or you paint your rivals as Pakistanis to claimi that you are the only Mr India. That is what you did to Ravi. It doesn’t behove of somebody who is a wholesale trader in falsehood and rumours to question anybody’s professional integrity.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Choddo Sharmaji,

    Chalo aapki baat maan li.

    Par for my knowledge, will this end in a deadlock with Congress taking a tough stance???

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    Actually, Ramdev can, by merely focussing for 10seconds on the CD with one eye, can judge whether Amar Singh has faked the CD or it is genuine.

    And I have never said even in my earlier posts that you have faked the CD yourself. I accept that you have taken a great risk in good faith, but in rather poor judgement of this shady wheeler-dealer of a Thakur’s character.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Pl ask Shenoy to treat others the way he want’s to be treated. No relationship can be one way.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    You don’t know me personally. You hate me for my political views. You have never spared any effort to character assassinate me. When you raise the CD issue, your intention is exactly that. And in doing so, you forget that what I wrote was under my name while other journalists gave full details of the CD without lending their names. Now is that dishonesty? Spare me Shenoy. You are welcome to stay on this blog. But I’d keep a respectable distance from you. Its ridiculous for you to insinuate that I knew who made the CD.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I think at this point it is advisable to let the issue be buried :D

    There is a misunderstanding on the issue depending on which side you look at it. From Vinodji’s side he got a CD and he got a forensic test done on it and got a report. From your side you felt that the Bhushan’s case was strong.

    However since Vinodji does allow conflicting opinions to exist here, I think let the issue be sorted out with both agreeing to disagree.

    At the end of the day, this blog is one of the best on the net, precisely for this reason….

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    your reposte above shows how deep the wound runs. And, unreservedly, without any qualifications, I sincerely apologise for treating the issue rather frivolously, since it is now a moot one. I have never ever questioned your integrity or professionalism vis-avis the CD issue.

    Hating you for your political views? Come on Vinodji, give me a break.
    Character assassination? This is too far fetched an accusation, because however caustic my comment about your political views and comments might have been, I have never for a moment forgotten that you are a good man and certain amount of leg-pulling is par for the course.

    Just a little while ago, you were gushing with happiness at my return to the blog. Now what happened? where have all the pyar-ki-jhappis gone?

    You have led me to believe that being a teetotaller places me at a terrible disadvantage vis-a-vis Mahesh or Pankaj or even Vijay Kumar. Or is it just my imagination?

    Mahesh Reply:

    @Shenoy,
    “You have led me to believe that being a teetotaller places me at a terrible disadvantage vis-a-vis Mahesh or Pankaj or even Vijay Kumar. Or is it just my imagination?”
    Getting a nagging off-late that being a teetotaller was a huge mistake after-all ?
    - Mahesh.

  • Gopi Thomas

    Rizwan-

    Generations of Pakistanis, especially after Zia Al Haq, have been brought up on distorted history where an entirely different past has been brainfed – and in this past there is no Indus Civilization, there are no ancient forefathers who discoursed on the meaning of life and death and eternity on the banks of Indus, no TakshaShila and Nalanda, no hints of an ancient glorious civilization, and for that matter not even the bloody partition., Ancestry is traced to Arabs, and in fact many (elite) have started coming up with their false family trees ending in with somebody who was in the Prophet’s entourage.

    All these , as you know, have created huge irreconcilable issues within PAkistan. The whole East Paksitan issue,at its roots, had the supremacy of Urdu language (vs Bengali), and of course the supremacy of one race (Arab/Punjabi) against another. The ingrained hate of Indians partly comes from “we are Arabs, they are Asians”…

    Indian diversity is India’s trength, very much like the diversity of US. Pakistan, in its attempts to be different (and better?), destroyed (and trying to destroy) all the diversities. Although Jinnah did not mean it, the germ of theocracy was injected from day 1 (or even before day 1), and the monster was fed on lies and distortions ever since.

    As I write this, there is a news (unconfirmed) about Ilyas Kashmiri, the leader of Mumbai 11/26 attack, being killed in a drone attack. The distorted history, deviant vision, and the definity of religion have made it a country of thousands and thousands of hard core terrorists who believe in absolutism.

    Would you rather choose a country of thousands of Gods or thousands of terrorists? India shining…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    Agree with your reading.

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    S Singh Reply:

    Thought you were banned!

    And how can “their” forefathers be only 1000 years and “our” forefathers are 3000 years..You twisted mind, hate monger

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    S Singh Reply:

    you hate monger and history twister..

    So werent there any inhabitants in malabar before 1000 years.. isnt there a history and civilization they belonged to which is zillions of years..

    So u believe Pakistani civilization is only 1000 years because that is approximately the age of Muslim civilization (1400 yrs)…

    Also please do a favour to all– Please get out of this blog .

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~ :D :D ~~ CONGRATULATIONS BORTHERS AND SISTERS ~~ :D :D ~~~
    (Now why are’nt there any girls here/)

    Anyway

    Ilyas Kashmir has left for his heavenly abode…. :D

    One gone. 99999 more to go !~! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    All the M.Kashmiris will grieve for the would-have-been new Osama.

    As the next elected Osama, will the Americans throw his carcass into the sea at the same spot?

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    how big was ILYAAS KASHMIRI- READ ON- THIS ARTICLE IS BY THE pAK journalist who was kidnapped and tortured by ISI-
    http://www.syedsaleemshahzad.com/2011/05/bin-ladens-death-new-organization-leadership-emerges/

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Shan, if you disagree with what I say, then debate it, do not use juvenile language like ‘cow belt intellect’. I became a Consultant in the UK in 1980 at the age of 33, when the average gora was 40 at the time of appointment. At that time it was almost unheard of for Asians to become Consultants here.
    Not like today, when some tutcha graduates make it into the country and get employed. The hours regulations for Junior docs started changing 15 years ago, and in a desperate attempt to fill the gap Uk started importing more docs.
    Today, 50% of trainee surgeons like yourself are from abroad. Most have the humility to realise that they are in the UK because of this stroke of luck regulation change, and not let their head swell up with vanity.
    I have a PhD in addition and the largest private practice in my speciality in Yorkshire. Sorry, but a young pup like you, who has trained in rubbish hospitals like Newham cannot even compare 1% to what I have acheived in the 1970s in hostile Britain.
    I have no desire to get into a MEDICAL debate with a SURGICAL trainee like you, suffice it to say that your treatise on vegetarianism stated above is infantile twaddle.
    Take a look at yourself even on this blog- I seem to have a lot of admirers and friends, and you are the butt of jokes with people repeatedly questioning about whether you got your MBBS on a SC/ST quota or whether you are a Walter Mitty character masquerading to be a doctor.
    And dont give me this **** of -I have passed the plab exam- I presently employ a capitation fee graduate from Tamil Nadu, who is useless and has done the exam.
    Sorry, If I ticked you off, but you need manners of how to address a senior consultant in the UK, wher you train.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Dr Pankaj, you have trained in India, UK and USA – tell others if I am talking wrong here

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    I am sorry for you to hear such things and it pains me that Shan has unlearnt the lessons, which he must have, during his training in Neel Ratan Sarkar, or Kar Medical College or any such colleges.
    Even now, at this age, I speak with my seniors, either as Sir or if they are very friendly, I will address them by their first name. A dignified language has many advantages, as compared to perceived advantages of foul language. Even now, my class friends are leading Orthopedic Surgeons in Birmingham and othe rplaces. I do not know, why Shan is behaving in this particular manner and losing respect of fellow bloggers, for himself and his professional colleagues. we started on a good wicket. I will describe Shan as loose canon, which may fire here , there and everywhere. I have tried to reason with shan before, but you can only show water to. I hold you in high esteem for your views and by the way, Raja murad’s father, who simply was known as Murad, had even better baritone. They are from Bhopal and hence the liberal sprinkling of chaste Hindi Words.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,
    this is one hell of a loose cannon, which back-fires.

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    the number of ppl who have ticked you off in the past over your lack of manners includes 15-20 of the most well liked people on this and Zia’s blogs- I can give you the names. Why the hell are you so incorrigible?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    WOW!
    WOW!!
    WOW!!!

    The question, Dr.Mishra, is whether this Shan will become Shanth.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Or will Shan become pareshan?

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,
    From your Post ….
    “…….people repeatedly questioning about whether you got your MBBS on a SC/ST quota or whether you are …….”
    The reference to SC/ST quota was best avoided.
    - Mahesh.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Mahesh, sincere apologies. I was merely relating what others had said before. My burst of temper over, helped by Shenoy’s irreverent poetry which brought a smile to my face. Thanks Dr Pankaj and tajender

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    shan Reply:

    Panditji , sorry YOU ONLY MANAGED TO SNEAK INTO UK BECAUSE THERE WAS FREE FOR ALL ENTRY. I CAN GUARANTEE IF YOU SAT PLAB YOU WOULDN’T HAVE MADE IT , GIVEN YOUR MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE ON DISPLAY HERE.
    BTW , 50 GORA STUDENTS FROM YOUR COUNTY LEEDS UNIVERSITY SAT FOR THE MOCK PLAB EXAM ONLY 2 PASSED

    By calling for “tougher medical exams” Fox questions their overall competence. But foreigners already have to sit two medical exams, called PLABs, so tough that when 50 practising British-trained doctors were randomly asked to sit it only two passed
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2000/aug/30/asylum.comment

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Dr mishra and Shan

    I think let us refocus on the Yoga and veg debate… :D

    And let me state that I am not a veg guy. However lately I have started feeling that slaughter of animals has its cruel side.

    And then noticing in the US that almost everyone was fat :D

    I sometimes wonder how people would survive in countries of extreme cold, where nothing grows?
    They would need to eat the meat…

    But then the would be vegetarian inside me tells me that veg animals live longer. Elephants and certain parrots live longer than lions and hyenas. And my own dog– a spitz lived for 16 years, on veg food…

    And anyway most of the farm animals which become food survive on veggies !! :D

    Maybe it is all about preservatives and oils which destroy the food and make it… well toxic.

    By the way in China,, where they eat almost everything including aborted fetus (some news came on that) people dont seem any taller or bigger than Indians.

    So in the end it really is all about eating the entire range of nutirents in food…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    vegetarianism, the ignorants claim, is all ghas poos
    but, the knowledgeable claim, prevents gathering of puss
    in the mind and body if also imbibed with khas-khas.
    Ab ke liye itna hi buss.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Your “Chhand” are inspiring as ever. In India, mostly meat is taken for its different tasty ways, Korma, rogan Josh, this and that. In western countries, the meat is mostly cold cuts and than sea food is also mostly in their natural way, except some seasoning. never elaborate way, South Asians prepare their meat. So again, it is for its taste and some time easy availability as in costal ares for sea food.
    In my early youth, I use to eat meat for its taste, but now, I do not eat meat, particularly, when I have a dog, and in every animal, I see my dog and tremble by the thought, that, am I eating my Dog? she is so dear to me.
    Please make your arrows blunt for Vinod, as he comes out as Pro congress, we should not disregard his affection for that party. Every one has his/ her preferences.
    Regards

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    It is quite clear from Vinodji’s posts above that the issue of the CD rankles deeply inside his heart, because, on the relevant blog, we had torn into his defence rather mercilessly. But, anyway, time is a great healer and who knows it better than you, a doctor?

    One thing has never become clear to me when I think of the fake CD episode. Mulayam Singh is a crucial character in the CD, because he was the one who needed the judges to be purchased. Why, then, no journalist, no editor, has come out with Mulayam’s side of the story? We have only seen Amar the bhramar ranting on TV channels and threatening anybody and everybody with legal action for doubting his “credibility”. Can you htrow some light on this yaksh prashn?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Really speaking, living here in west, I am not familiar with CD episode in detail. yes, I remember, few years back that some telephone conversations were taped and some Cd thing also happened along with this present CD controversy. As i am not sure about it, i will desist from comments. However, when this episode broke open, a friend of mine, vouched on his personal integrity that Amar Singh, was Indeed a pimp- in the conventional sense- and was running his racket from Greater Kailash, with Mercedes Cars, body guards and ofcourse, girls.

  • rajiv

    Guys this veg, animal-eater debate is going no where.
    Without going into ethical considerations of being a animal-eater, both the diets can be balanced ,
    You can be a vegetarian, but eat lot of fried and oily foods and suffer.
    You could be a animal-eater, who eats animals in moderation, have good exercise routine, and do great.

    There was a survey conducted by govt of India about eating habits of Indians. I had seen it in the Hindu, couple of years ago. Surprisingly, the states with highest majority of vegetarians were
    Rajasthan, Himachal, Haryana and Punjab !!
    As you know, punjabi Brahmins and Sikh amritdharis, mostly do not eat meat.
    The people with perhaps best physique in India, also come from among these states.

    So eat in moderation ( veg or animal-eater ) , do yoga, pranayam and live long and healthy, like my great grandma did , 103 years.

    Sidenote : Can Shan’s medical license be revoked based on his postings here !!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajiv

    You are probably right. Eating in moderation is the key…

    But there are other issues too.

    Whenever I go to Chandigarh and meet some of my old relatives, and some of them are close to touching 100, I sometimes wonder how much well planned cities, fresh air and coolness of the mind plays…

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    shan Reply:

    @vijay kumar , longevity depends on lots of factors .previously infections of all sorts used to cut life short . now it is cancer and heart disease , which is related some to diet , some enviornment , some innate.
    generally longivity depends on genes of which we know very little.but one will find families or areas of the world where people live beyond 90 . generally control of infectious disease ,diet , advances in medical care have increased people’s longivity.
    There is a part of the chromosome (the thread like structure in each cells that contain all the genes)
    called telomere.currently it is thought shortening of telomere is what causes ageing.
    There is a clinical condition called progeria , where people start ageing from age of thirty or even earlier.
    The reverse is seen in one case in the world , where the growth is frozen at age two , though chronological age is twenty

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  • Ravi

    Peace Dividend

    Dr Mishra.

    Two short days ago, the mehfil’s considered opinion was that it was loosing its lustre due the presence of two major tumours. The belief was that the bog would return its previous rude health as soon as these two tumours were excised out of its body.

    Then one tumour went into spontaneous voluntary remission and the other one was surgically removed, in a private hospital, and the patient was put on regular chemotherapy.

    I wonder if you have had the time to review the patient’s case and if so, would you be kind enough to share with the patient the medium and long-term prognosis.

    Here are some notes which may have missed you closed scrutiny, but will be needed to inform your decision.

    1. The “TUR-D” is still omni present and I am off the opinion was present before the tumours were discovered.
    2. Pak-Sh*t- stan was being presented as an example of Oscar Wildein wit and is still being pushed as a substitute for any real gravitas.
    3. Decorative emoticons; normally appearing only in adolescent cases, can still be seen here, in this mistaken belief that they make the writer look hip. :) , ;) , :) ~~~
    4. For the twentieth time, you have been seen defending a joker.
    5. For the 1000th time, you are seen to be defending a fellow Doctors abusive language.
    6. People have started to question your own degree and even the existence of a University named after your home county.

    To a casual observer, it seems that the patient is no better or worse than it was before the major operation took place.

    So Dr Mishra, where is the peace dividend?

    This is a rhetorical question; your response is not expected.

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    rajiv Reply:

    @ravi,
    Think of this like this. You have a pesky neighbour who has made your life miserable and acrimonious because the neighbour is querulous. One fine day, you find your neighbour gone. Does that solve all your life’s problems ?
    No, you still have to deal with your nagging boss, irrerevant teenagers, financial and health issues and thats just naming a few of them.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    To me the difference between a gentleman and a Tur-d lies in the motivation. When a person changes his name to that of another religion and then keeps insulting that religion. He or she in my opinion is a Tu-rd of all seasons. To me a person who tries to destroy a public family forum by posting porno which he finds entrtatining and nobody else is the Tur-d of the universe.

    Similarly cutting and pasting without having the IQ to understand your own posts is not entertaining…

    Anyway it requires a bit of brains and family upbringing or good religious beliegs to appreciate this…

    But coming back to our previous discussion, was your grandmom a vegetarian?

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Ravi,
    You were better of ignoring the Troll rather than “upping the cost” (your own metaphor) for troll-talk.
    Sharmaji has defended your right to post on this blog in one of his postings, so keep participating ’til you are expelled. And , btw, while at it – steer clear off troll.
    - Mahesh.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    Many thanks for your support.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi,Blimey didn’t realise you took these blog chat that seriously. Most of it is BAKWAS.in any case there was a eng vs swiss match , in which my team ARSENAL was well represented on both sides.Are you into films , or just pub. have you watched GROUNDHOG DAY ,tell me what you understood about the film. One of the most memorable films I have seen.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    About three years back I had gone for a medical checkup at Hinduja hospital in Bombay . After full check up
    we had a 30 minutes yoga training course. It seems now some hospitals/doctors also
    are admiting to the benefits of yoga .

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I think that is the right approach…

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  • rajiv

    Illas Kashmiri.

    Illas Kashmiri. As per Pak papers, he is a muslim of punjabi parents born in Mirpur and one of the vilest terrorists that Pak has produced. He was in contact with Daood Gilani/Headley of 26/11 infamy. Headley joked that Illas was always complaining about the “shystem”, trying to replicate Illas’s accent. Bye the way, Illas had joined the Pak army and was trained as a commando in pak special forces for terrorism.

    However, I have not yet seen the inside story about how he was tracked and droned. As someone said.
    2 gone. 20,000 more to go.

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    rajiv Reply:

    There is reason to be cautious about this news. Illas terrorist, has been declared dead a few times before by Pak govt/ISI. With pressure mounting on Pak govt,. this could also be there standard ploy to claim Illas is dead, just as they sometimes used to claim that Osama is dead.

    Good to see USA not confirm it, unless it can verify.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    I think we should change our opinion on what exactly constitutes the Pakistani army. A pakistani friend, over a dinner once winked and said, our terrorists are our cheaper army.

    Come to think of it he was 100% correct. All those vile characters like kashmiri and Masood Azhar were the half paid soldiers of the Pakistani army who were allowed to create theri own money making methods thru narcotic and arms smuggling.

    They were Pakistani. They were armed. they attacked India. They are the hidden Pakistani army…

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    Observer Reply:

    Rajiv,

    Bakre ki Maa Kab tak kheir mayanye?

    If Hindus continue to elect CQ monkeys get used to these terrorist attacks.

    Terrorist like soft targets. West in general and US in particular has become hard target now. They have shown that they can get terrorists where ever they are hiding. The most important part is that they have demonstrated that are not too concerned about collateral damage.

    It is this toughness that has allowed Britain with less than hundred thousand men to rule South Asia with more than 300 million people for nearly two centuries.

    In taking any actions CQs first think of vote bank. Examples are , Digvijay Singh, Lalu, Mulayam etc.

    Indians are jokers.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Observer

    I hope you do not mind if I make a comment on your statements here.

    “Terrorists like soft targets.” That is true, but isn’t that true of every one. Given the choice between a soft or a hard target, we would all choose a soft target. However, making ourselves a hard target, may get us only so much reprieve and not much more. I do not think that Israel can be described as a soft target, yet it is still a subject to terrorist attack.

    To solve the issue completely the underlying political problem has to be resolved.

    I would suggest we need a two track approach. Harden our stance – as you suggest – but also keep other channels open, because at the end, there has to be a political solution.

    Every one thinks of vote banks. if Muslims are a vote bank, then so are the right wing Hindus. In Israel the Hardliners as well as the soft Labour party have their own respective vote banks.

    Sadly no one is free of Vote Bank Politics.

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    Observer Reply:

    I have already suggested the giving political space to Pakistani establishment in my other postings.

  • shan

    panditji , if your memory is not failing , then you will remember i had commented about the role of protein in diet ,in influencing the growth of children(height) . To which you and your sidekick Bhondhu made CRASS remarks. true to my character , i posted the webpage from the journal of public health , the authors were professors from Harvard.YOU HAVENT LEARNT
    As for those worried about shan’s pareshani, I say pareshan hoga tera baap
    Do heed the following advise
    James T Cassidy says:
    July 23, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    A humble advice to my friends

    Do not cross your swords with Shan. There is only one outcome! And you know what it is.
    If you are polite, you will get an equally polite and well researched answers. If you choose to go the abrasive path, be ready to receive what is launched at you

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  • rajiv

    —————————————————————————————–
    Swiss accounts : An intermediate step that UPA refuses to see
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    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2074736.ece?homepage=true

    The UPA government may have gone into overdrive on the black money issue but it has so far failed to use a Swiss tax provision that will allow India to not just estimate how much money its citizens have illegally stashed away in bank accounts in Switzerland but to also earn revenue from them.

    The Swiss authorities are unwilling to make these secret accounts public and will only provide foreign governments with details if they can prove an individual account is linked to illegal activity back home. This is an impossibility, since nothing is known about those accounts to begin with. However, Switzerland is prepared to share with foreign governments a portion of the tax levied on the interest that these foreign account holders earn, thereby opening a small window onto a hitherto hidden room.

    The European Union was the first to seize this opportunity. Under an agreement between the EU and Switzerland that came into force in 2005, personal savings accounts held by EU nationals in Swiss banks are subject to a retention tax on interest income. Under the agreement, 75 per cent of the revenue so generated is transferred to the respective EU member state governments while the rest is allocated to Switzerland for associated expenditures. Currently, only individual personal accounts are covered, which is seen as a major drawback. The EU is now pressurising Switzerland to extend its provisions to assets other than such bank accounts also.

    Though Swiss banks pay a paltry 1.25 per cent on personal savings accounts, the revenue generated through the retention tax is substantial. In 2008, the gross revenue from the retention tax (at 20 per cent, which is to go up to 35 per cent from July 1 this year) on interest income of EU taxpayers in Switzerland amounted to CHF 738.4 million (US$ 865.32 million, at current exchange rates). Out of this, US$ 649 million was transferred to EU member states.

    Working back from an average tax rate of 20 per cent and an average interest rate of 1.25 per cent, it would appear that EU nationals have individual accounts in Switzerland worth approximately US$346 billion.

    An EU-type agreement with Switzerland would similarly allow India to form the first firm estimate of the amount of money its citizens have illegally deposited in individual accounts there. But so far, the UPA government has not pursued the matter.

    In response to Baba Ramdev’s campaign, the government has publicised the measures it has taken against black money such as the signing of, and negotiations on, modified and new Double Taxation Avoidance Agreements (DTAAs) with over two dozen governments, including Switzerland, to facilitate exchange of banking information and entering into Tax Information Exchange Agreements with various other jurisdictions or so-called “tax havens” around the world.

    However, in its negotiations with Switzerland, what India has given the go-by, perhaps unwittingly, is the provision to collect tax and thereby quantify the amount of black money held by Indians there.

    In the Indian context, the revenue foregone can be significant considering that different estimates on the quantum of black money range from US$ 500 billion to $1,400 billion and a recent study by Global Financial Integrity has estimated the illicit money outflow to be $ 462 billion. If even a portion of that is held in Swiss accounts, India may at least have the satisfaction of earning some money from this stash — as a first step towards ensuring its eventual confiscation.

    According to Mark Herkenrath of Alliance Sud — a Switzerland-based joint advocacy and lobbying entity of major Swiss development organisation which focuses on tax transparency and international financial markets, the Swiss government has announced several times that it would be willing to examine official requests for such savings tax agreements, in particular if requested by developing and emerging market countries. So far, no country, including India, has acted on this proposal and this is a fact that Swiss officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, have also confirmed to The Hindu.

    Mr. Herkenrath said that it is surprising that the Indian government — if aware of this Swiss proposal — has not reacted to it and demanded inking of such an agreement along with the DTAA, particularly when it was one of the very first countries in the world to have asked Switzerland for a revised DTAA to include updated transparency standards and has got the same conditions regarding tax information exchange as European countries have obtained in their revised accords.

    More significantly, while the revised DTAA with Switzerland — which is likely to come into effect from early next year after ratification by Swiss Parliament — does not allow any “fishing expedition” and will have no retrospective effect, the savings tax on interest income is leviable on all personal bank accounts in Swiss banks, irrespective of the date of the agreement, as long as the accounts still exist.

    The Swiss retention tax mechanism can also indirectly help in segregating the illicit fund accounts from the legal ones. This is for the simple reason that the onus of proving the sanctity of the funds is on the account holder. In the case of EU states, for instance, about 43,000 voluntary declarations were received in 2008 and these represented an interest amount of CHF 820,370,039 (US$ 961,378,153).

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  • http://- Rajeev

    @Pankaj,
    [I know, you are also somewhere abroad or at least you have seen world, but I presume,I have travelled more and/or seen the world more. Everywhere, as an Indian and Hindu, I have been treated with love and respect.]
    Pankaj, you may have travelled more and may have more experience but here I am talking strictly about India. In the west, I too have been treated with respect as an Indian and Hindu. There is ignorance about hinduism in western society which is understandable.
    But since UPA has come back in power, the definition of liiberal has changed totally. You can see how congress is trying to discredit Anna and Ramdev saying that they are backed by RSS. Let us say if Muslim league starts supporting Anna, what would congress say? They are trying to prove that RSS is illegitimate body..If RSS is illegitimate, I am afraid to say then Congress too falls in that category.

    Let me repeat again, IN INDIA, you are liberal only if you disrespect hindus, and pander to extremists from semitic faiths. This definition is propogated by Hindus themselves and that’s why I say hindus are fit to be enslaved.

    Why are hindus self-hating? The reason is simple. We have been slaves for about 1000 years now and have lost all the self-respect. To keep our semitic rulers in good humour, we started insulting ourselves so that they feel good about themselves. Now that we are free physically but mentally we are still slave. At the sight of a Maulvi, we may see our brahmins literally crawling at his feet or at the sight of converted christian or Gora, we go into chamchagiri mode. We have to come out of this mindset. We have to make it very clear to other communities in India, respect is two way street.

    Let me tell you about an incidence when I was in Goa in 1997-98. My vehicle broke down one day and one of my female employee who was a christian took me to a mechanic. The mechanic who too was christian, mistook me for christian and started abusing hindus for the condition of Goa. His words still ring in my ears “Ye hindu log hamara Goa kharab kar diya…blah blah blah”.. My employee was embarrassed and tried to signal mechanic to stop. But I enjoyed that rant. It made me realise how ignorant our minorities are of their past. Goan christians believe that Goa is their ancestral property.
    My female employee too was a fundamentalist christian and her mother even a greater one. Years later, I met this ex-employee in Chicago, married to a south Indian BRAHMIN but still a christian. I asked her how come she is married to a HINDU whom she used to hate. She had no answer and later said that “After coming to US, I realised that my only identity is Indian. Even though I am a christians, goras don’t treat me as their own.”.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    I am in agreement with you. We can not even imagine the poverty and degradation suffered by Hindus in those long years of subjugation. If, king was not exploiting, then, nawab( governer) was exploting. If nawab was not exploiting, jamindar was exploiting. Just see Neem Ka Ped, starring pankaj kapoor. Their home, hearth, womenfolk and even respect was strictly at the mercy of powerfuls. This subjugation had eaten them not only physically but mentally and spiritually too. Only 0.000000001% people might have been in the services of these powerful people, multitudes were subsistence farmers, artisans and other assorted workers, toiling for only powerful’s wealth creation. Bhakti movements were kind of rebellions in a subtle way to reemphasize their hinduness.
    Coming out from this situation, in last 150 years or so, india has emerged gradually on international scene, and now is a power to reackon with internationally. Not a jingoistic statement, but can be supported by numbers.
    Yes, as far as in India, being a hindu, has become a disadvantage, being a upper cast hindu, is a double whammy. A very warped secularism is being practiced by successive governments and keeping our minorities separate from mainstream has more advantageous to powers that be.This has been practiced almost by all the political parties, some blatantly and by some subtely. For them, Azim Premji is not important bur Sultan owaisi or Madni is more important, who can deliever votes en block. They will prefer to keep our minorties, engrossed in trivia and keep them away from main line education. Professionals from India, even when they are muslims, has clear advantage on many fronts from their counterpart from pakistan. What I am trying to say, is that our polity is doing worst for our minorities, creating _ demon_ of RSS and other hindu organizations and simply Apni roti saink rahe hain. hearing Rizwan, Shoeb, Gopi and Raju Kurien is some what assuring that modern education is making its impact, but with present policy this may take another 500 years to bring every one to a modern and progressive thinking level, if population remain static or even if it declines, marginally. Do not know way out.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is so far from my personal (and many other people I know) experience that I cannot recognise it.

    Any one who claims to be a LIBERAL and then ATTACKS Hinduism, then they are not TRUE Liberals.

    Take Vinod Sharma as an example, I would class him as a liberal and I do not see him attacking Hindus.

    I think the confusion here is LIBERAL’s opposing the BJP/RSS’s socially conservative policies, that is not the same as attacking Hinduism.

    Lets not make the cheap comment about vote banks. All political parties have committed vote banks and they actively nurture them. Any party, which solely depends upon floating voters, will soon cease to exist.

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    shan Reply:

    @Plonkers et al , you do not need to be liberal or conservative , JUST BE OBJECTIVE /RATIONAL , do not start from an entrenched position BE A HUMANIST

    Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;
    Where knowledge is free;
    Where the world has not been broken up
    into fragments by narrow domestic walls;
    Where words come out from the depth of truth;
    Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;
    Where the clear stream of reason
    has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
    Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action—
    Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

    Guys you have tasted shenoy vijay jugalfandi , so i thought lets treat the bloggers to something to my tadte

    shan Reply:

    @rajeev , how ignorant you are of your own history. ALL THESE GOAN CHRISTIANS ARE CONVERTS , AND OBVIOUSLY LOWER CASTE AS WELL.now you can understand the animosity against hindus.I onceworked with a surgeon Baroosda Sa . he was dark as a cherry blossom shoe polish , but used to convey that though he came from india , he was somehow “different” from the natives , not indian genetically.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    it is so easy to puncture this assumed differentness and smug feeling of superiority. Need just half an hour’s sincere discussion with them. I have dealt with many of these people in my long career.
    It reminded me, that when I came to North America, my competitors thought that they can make fun of my english. Slowly, they realized, I can improve upon their english, and than they used to take my help for vocabulary or composition. Sounding bombastic? sorry for that. But if you are good, in what ever you do, ultimately you will get recognition in this free market economy.

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    shan Reply:

    @Pankaj. I dont need to speak , others have spoken for me. and I have merely posted one response. I do not visit the blog for banal tittle tattle, or time pass. My sole purpose is to learn and make others learn.
    Incredible it may appear, I had learnt from Tejender that DRUZE(i had commented about wali jumblat) do not teach quoran to their children till they are 40 yrs old , because that it the time the prophet presumably had first revelation.
    Also from tejender I learnt BHUTTO’s mother was a HINDU Gujrati dancer , who used to call him Hari till the end of her life. It fitted neatly to my reading , that Bhutto’s genitals were photographed after his hanging , as there was rumours that he was not true muslim.
    But this Mishra is BANALITY written all over, and so is his sidekicks , sandhu and Rizwan.
    I guess if you like good films you will be irritated with Karan Johar C R A P.
    Also I back up every thing I write with evidence or reference.

    Ravi Reply:

    Cheryl Cole was sacked as a judge from an American Talent Show, because the American audience of the show were unable to understand her Geordie Accent.

    She is a white English woman from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I will not discuss Dr. Mishra with you. It is your and his interaction with each other. On my part I respect him for his uncanny way of starting an intelligent discussion on an untrodden path.
    Having said this, I will urge you to be civil with him, even if you disagree with him.
    Yes, Druze are different from sunnis and shias and there is no love lost amongst them. Bhutto’s mother was a hindu rajput girl, I do not think, she was a dancer, and if she was, this does not speak well for bhutto’s father Shahnawaz bhutto, dewan of Junagadh. He was one of the richest and by far the biggest landowner of sindh and had all the attributes of rich including Sharabnoshi and lust for women. It also explains, bhutto’s attempts to shout at the top of his voice against India on many fronts, to prove his muslimness and an antagonist on top of that, to have unhindered enjoyment of his estate in Muslim pakistan.

    tajender Reply:

    they claim they claim their origin to lebnon.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dr Pankaj, just read your words fully, thank you.
    ‘…Mishraji;
    I am sorry for you to hear such things and it pains me that Shan has unlearnt the lessons, …Even now, at this age, I speak with my seniors, either as Sir . A dignified language has many advantages, as compared to perceived advantages of foul language.
    I do not know, why Shan is behaving in this particular manner and losing respect of fellow bloggers, I will describe Shan as loose canon, which may fire here , there and everywhere. I have tried to reason with shan before. I hold you in high esteem for your views. …’

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  • rajiv

    ————————————-
    Why just Bhutto ?
    ————————————–
    Why just Bhutto, The 2 ideological founders of pakistan, Jinnah and Iqbal, both had Hindu roots as early as 100 or so years ago.
    During the time the nawabs ruled, it wasoften just a career choice to become a muslim convert.

    As they say, fresh converts are more fanatic or pious than the pope. This applies to 90% pakistanis.

    Jinnah..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah
    Jinnah was the first child born to Mithibai and Jinnahbhai Poonja. His father, Jinnahbhai (1857–1902), was a prosperous Gujarati merchant who hailed from the state of Gondal situated in the Kathiawar region province of Gujrat (present day India). He had moved to Karachi from Kathiawar, because of his business partnership with Grams Trading Company whose regional office was set up in Karachi, then a part of the Bombay presidency. He moved to Karachi some times before Jinnah’s birth.[1][14][17] His grandfather, Poonja Gokuldas Meghji,[18] was a Hindu Bhatia Rajput from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar. Jinnah’s ancestors were Hindu Rajputs; his grandfather had converted to Islam.[17] Jinnah’s family belonged to the Ismaili Khoja branch of Shi’a Islam,[2] though Jinnah later converted to Twelver Khoja Shi’a Islam.[

    and so was Alama Iqbal ancestors, hindus from Jammu/kashmir region.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    You are right Rajiv.
    Iqbal’s ancestors were Brahmins from Kashmir and he never contradicted this. In fact, it is said that he was proud of this fact. In contrast, much lower beings, today, claim to have descended directly from Arabia. Ha.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Just reminded of a sher from akbar allahabadi, as some one mentioned a dancing girl in the post.
    Gauhar jan was a very famous courtesan from Calcutta and practically was ruling over kings, nawabs and such people.
    Akbar allhabadi and Gauhar jan, when they met each other, some time and she asked Akbar to say something, Akbar said
    Khushnasib hai kaun yahan Gauhar ke siwa
    Sab kuchh Allah ne de rakha hai Shohar ke siwa.
    that was a sharp one indeed.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Tajender;
    I agree with you. Iqbal’s Shikwa and jawabe shikwa along with zarbe jibril are probably some of the best work from him. Undoubtedly, he was a man of high intellect.

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  • rajiv

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    criminal UPA govt : Vinash Kale bipreet buddhi
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    Every India, has a right to protest peacefully. Baba Ramdev, irrespective of weather you agree with him or not, has a right to protest and fast unto death, if he may so desire.

    Today, the sonia/manmohan/kapil-sibal government, launched a most vicious, lieful, thuggish mid-night attack on a peaceful protest and dug its own grave. The place had reporters so the government cannot lie so easily. I just canot fathom about what was the need of this despicable attack.

    This is criminal and thuggish conduct by the government. You can follow live-feed of how the government perpetrated its criminal acts , at this link.

    http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2508&eid=5

    A violent and brutal midnight crackdown on Indians, who had just come to demand stringent laws against corruption.

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    Saarthak Reply:

    I just don’t understand the use of teargas on peaceful supporters of Baba Ramdev at 2am..when most of them were sleeping.

    This has all the feel of Emergency-II.

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    rajiv Reply:

    Its the most bizarre behaviour I can imagine. This is way beyond juvenile and calous conduct by Delhi congress administration.

    If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say, the BJP opposition, abducted Manmohan and Sonia and forced them to order the police to violently breakup a peaceful demonstration at 2 am at night, to malign the no-corrupt, democratic, peaceful congress government.

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    Ashish Reply:

    I do not agree with many of Baba Ramdev’s demands and do not like the way the principal opposition party, the BJP has been reduced to the role of a follower rather than a leader in the fight against corruption.
    But, I defend Ramdev’s right to protest and mobilize people using every possible democratic means. I think the government actions were uncalled for and Digvijay Singh’s statement a masterclass in deception.
    One only hopes that the adage “you can’t fool all the people, all the time” rings true and the voters vote sensibly in the next elections and vote out the spin-masters currently presiding over the most venal government in India’s history.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, I agree with your sentimements , BUT A COUNTRY CANNOT BE BLACKMAILED JUST BY GOING INTO FAST UNTIL DEATH. It is only valid in countries under occupation ,where there is no independent judiciary,no democratic elections. AT THE END OF THE DAY IF YOU HAVE CHOSEN DEMOCRACY , THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH ITS DOWNSIDE ,THAT IS SOMETIMES IT IS “OPPRESSION BY THE MAJORITY”

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Shan,
    Again, not supporting the Baba or his methods; but, so long as he does not break the law, he has every right to do as he pleases.
    I am a constitutionalist- and I think it is a sorry state of affairs when the role of the principal opposition party is reduced to supporting this Baba or the other — but, that is not to say the Baba does not have the right to do what he pleases.
    All political parties are like evangelical religions- they start with a “prophet” :) If Baba wants to be a politician, I may be alarmed, will certainly not vote for him but will defend his right to speak and mobilize people. That is democracy.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    How, then Mamta Bandhopadhyay went on a fast unto death against an Indian company called Tatas in your own backyard?

    Was the fast democratic?
    Was West bengal under foreign rule?

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish ,He has every right to do whatever he wishes , BUT WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE LAW.That law says TAKING ONES LIFE (fasting till death) is Unlawful, that is why a tibetal protester who tried to self immolate during the chinese PM visit was arrested.
    By the same token STATE HAS THE SANCTION OF THE LAW, AND CAN TAKE MEASURES IT DEEMS NECCASARY in forestalling the breakdown of law and order.

    shan Reply:

    @shenoy ,mamata banerjee was not right in going into fast till death. Her action did not produce much impact ,she broke her fast after intervention by PM.It is the later movement of protesting in front of singur factory that turned the corner.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Frankly speaking Ramdev deserves this for taking support of RSS. Hindus need to be caned black and blue…bloody spineless cowards.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Digvijay’s interview…worth watching…This guy needs to run our country..I am pretty sure Bukhari will be made defence minister under his rule.
    http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/videos/54206

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    Ashish Reply:

    :D :D
    Quote of the day! Love it

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    Ravi Reply:

    I have just seen the interview with Digvijay Singh and I am surprised at the opposition to his speech. Perhaps I am missing some thing in the context.

    Here is what he is saying.

    1. He is not attacking Ramdev, but the Muddas (objectives) he represents.
    2. He is asking where has the figure – of 4 lakh carror of black money stashed in foreign accounts – come from.
    3. Why did LK Advani not do anything about Black Money when he was in power, and then in opposition he seems to hugely interested in it.
    4. He wants to change the constitution of India and wants the Prime minister to be directly elected by the people.
    5. Ramdev is a Sanyasi, why is he entering into politics.
    6. Who is paying for all this Protests.
    7. Why is it when the world is becoming a global village with English as its lingua franca the swami ji is insisting that Engineering and Medicine be taught in Hindi and other vernaculars?

    Every single question here is a valid question, not only Digvijay Singh but I am sure many more people would ask exactly the very same questions.

    So what is wrong here, why is Digvijay being painted as the Villain.

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    shan Reply:

    It is not written CARRORE in India , it is CRORE , kaun banega crorepati.
    Diggy duffer is targetted because in his FOLKSY style , he has turned the BABA PHENOMENON(which is a fact ,as much i dislike it) into a RSS ORGANISED SHOW.
    everytime this rss bogey shows CON gress is a CON party

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    I am impressed. Even after a couple of days, you have not come back to your usual form, suggesting a better self control. would like to interact with you after few more days. An Arabic proverb says, if some one deceive you, shame on him. But if the same person deceive you again, then shame on you.

  • http://- Rajeev

    You are right…His accounts should be checked..we should also see if he is getting funds from Saudi Arabia.

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    shan Reply:

    @tejender , you are absolutely right about everything you have written about the baba except the scottish island bit.That scottish island belonged to an indian maharshtrian DOCTOR couple ,who made money from running nursing home for old people (It is a big big business in UK, the state pays ,the company to look after the old people when they cannot manage alone on their own at home), apparently this couple had some benefit to the ailment the wife was suffering , after coming incontact with baba.
    As much your gripe about Bramhanist rule , do reflect upon the fact that BABA IS A YADAV
    So now yadavs are beating bramhins in their own game. Previously NON BRAMHINS were not allowed to study VEDAS , Now Baba may bring in schools where VEDAS are taught by Shudras.

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  • james

    you are not just dispicable journalist, but mental ****** and blind from your eyes. When you went blind, last thing you saw was RSS and BJP, so, you cannot see anything else. People from all communities – Christian father, Madani from Deoband .Sikhs…all were there.at Ram Devs fast. BUT ALL YOU AND NDTV beat about was BJP RSS, BJP RSS. Your kind of lof corrupt and unprofessional jouralism is being carried out without any fear of any action from any professional body. Shame on you. You are the worst the India can offer. THE WORST. I wish the worst for you and your family……Most dispicable Most dispicable You are scum of the earth

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  • james

    for you maa bhen kee galleee is not enough….

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  • james

    bloody congress ke kutte

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~ :D :D ~~ WHY CONGRESS WILL NEVER ALLOW ALL DETAILS OF SWISS BANKS ~~ :D :D ~~

    The Congress may have ejected BaBa Ramdev out of Ramlila ground. But it now has to contend with the growing feeling that it is hiding something deep inside on the issue of corruption and black money.

    Ultimately it had to use its old bogey of RSS/BJP right wing hinduism etc etc. All its supporters in the media came out in the open. So the battlelines are fully drawn now.

    Its a 1989 retro release !! :D :D

    Balck money in swiss banks; HInus being insulted etc etc. Even though the movement is secular with HIndus and Sikhs and Muslims being on the same stage.

    WHAT REALLY SCARES THE CONGRESS IS THAT ITS OWN HEROES… MR Q, MR ARDBO AND RG’S NAME COULD FEATURE IN A LIST OF SWISS ACCOUNT HOLDERS. THIS SECRET WILL ALWAYS BE SOUGHT TO BE BURIED….. :D :D :D

    This time the new NDA goernemnt which comes in should not show any pity the way Vajpayee took on a widow with two children and let Bofors be buried…

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are right. The media is back to its comfort zone with the congress, attacking Ramdev for getting support from the Hindu right. The attack is vicious. All-out efforts are being made to save the evil, corrupt Sonia Gandhi regime from getting the details of Swiss bank accounts.

    This is a Godsend for the BJP to extend the hand of friendship and support to the Muslim masses and forge the NDAII.

    I think the brainless Khali Kapal Sibal is single-handedly spelling the ruin of this corrupt regime. Looks like he is the modern day Shakuni, who charted the destruction of the Kauravas.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The date, 5th June is ominous.

    5th June, 1974-emergency declared.
    5th June, 1984-operation Blue Star started.
    5th June, 2011-evil government of Sonia Gandhi begins its self-destruction with able support from Digvinash Singh and Khali Kapal Sibal.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bhai Shenoy Sahab;
    Aap apna business kab karte ho, jo aise shararaten soojhti rahti hain?

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  • Rizwan

    SHAN

    Last month you had riled Ashish big time (wots new) and he rightly so started lashing you repeatedly.
    One person unexpectedly came to your rescue saying u had suffered enuff humilitaion- doc Mishra. Such was the respect he gets on this blog that Ashish laid off.
    Yesterday I see u insuling doc M, to which he gave u the most PUBLIC DRESSING DOWN I hv ever seen anywhere. Shenoy, Rajiv with an I and and doc Pankaj ticked u off in diff ways.
    Doc P said- ” I will not discuss Dr. Mishra with you. I respect him for his uncanny way of starting an intelligent discussion on an untrodden path. ”
    +++++++++++++
    SHAN, I will say it simply- you lack character. Doctors r meant to be dignified

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    Rizwan Reply:

    the others on this blog, non doctors all, rightly pointed out that having a balanced diet is more imp. Compare that with yr intellectual dirhoea- ” vegetarians experience “brain fog,” memory loss, tiredness, moodiness due to blood sugar highs and lows, lack of motivation, and poor performance ..”
    Dear god, please tell me this is a cruel joke. This man is not a medic, is he ?????????????????
    As rajiv suggested- yr license shud be revoked

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    shan Reply:

    ******* off you t u r d , the above bit about the pitfalls of vegetarian diet is not my opinion ,but an expert opinion of nutrition scientist.
    In any case you should

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    shan Reply:

    Contd from above@Rizwan
    In any case you should be enjoying the slitting of bakri(halal) and enjoying the bakri writhing in pain and smeared in its own puddle of blood ALL IN THE NAME OF ALLOWING THE BAKRI TO PRAY TO ALLAH!!!, Just like poison ivy tree doesn’t produce apples JOKE RELIGION will only produce JOKERS like you
    Curiously something you forgot to mention,let me remind you
    As for those worried about shan’s pareshani, I say pareshan hoga tera baap
    Do heed the following advise
    James T Cassidy says:
    July 23, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    A humble advice to my friends

    Do not cross your swords with Shan. There is only one outcome! And you know what it is.
    If you are polite, you will get an equally polite and well researched answers. If you choose to go the abrasive path, be ready to receive what is launched at you

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Mahatma Gandhi,lived a healthy life of 80 years and threw away the mighty British empire from India.
    And he was a vegetarian!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Some more famous vegetarians.

    Albert Einstein

    Martina Navratilova

    Pythagoras of Samos

    George Bernard Shaw

    Leonardo da Vinci

    Leo Tolstoy

    Lord Byron

    Paul McCartney

    Chelsea Clinton

    shan Reply:

    @Ravi, i thought sociology was your discipline. We are talking about NATIONAL POLICY.
    Ambanis and all the other lot you have mentioned can SUPPLEMENT their diet to take care of all nutrients , BUT FOR AN AVERAGE PERSON adhering to vegetarian diet will produce all the problems mentioned in the article i had posted.LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.
    I guess the pubs are not open yet in havelock Road

    tajender Reply:

    hitler too was vegeterian.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rizwan,

    Here are a few word that would cheer you up.

    koyee kehte hain yeh iss blog ki hai shaan
    koyee kehte hain hai yeh ek shaitaan
    being a rationalist, he hates Bejaan
    samajta hai apne aapko naujawan
    kehta hai ‘My name is Shan,
    I am not a terrorist, I am only pareshaan.

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    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy , you have produced poetry in line with the quality of poetry , in your mother tongue.
    THIS ONE WILL ENLIGHTEN YOU translated from my mother tongue
    If the day is done,
    if birds sing no more,
    if the wind has flagged tired,
    then draw the veil of darkness thick upon me,
    even as thou hast wrapt the earth with the coverlet of sleep
    and tenderly closed the petals of the drooping lotus at dusk.
    From the traveler,
    whose sack of provisions is empty before the voyage is ended,
    whose garment is torn and dust-laden,
    whose strength is exhausted,
    remove shame and poverty,
    and renew his life like a flower under the cover of thy kind

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Was it by Gurudev? Nazarul Islam? Aurobindo?

    whoever it is, the poem is beautiful, the vision is poetic, language is pure poetry.

    This should soothe your frayed nerves.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Aap to ustadon main Aa gaye. poetry ki hawa chal padi hai aur level is rather good.

    Ashish Reply:

    @Shenoy,
    this is indisputably Tagore. One from Gitanjali.

  • Rizwan

    SHAN- I just noticed yr pathetic attempts to start sucking upto tajender and ravi- ” ravi ravi- hav u seen groundhog day- irrelevant ”
    THIS IS HOW ISOLATED YOU HAVE BECOME

    I laugh cos u hv abused both T and R with the most vile anti Islamic abuse over last 1 year- calling them kattuey, circ etc

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    shan Reply:

    @Rizwan , this is the reason

    If they answer not to thy call walk alone,
    If they are afraid and cower mutely facing the wall,
    O thou unlucky one,
    open thy mind and speak out alone.

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  • Ravi

    The main point, which one should keep in mind, is that the political structure in India is fragmented.

    At present BJP is going through internal succession issues and is not acting as an effective opposition to the ruling parties.

    Unconventional oppositions are filling the political vacuum this has created.

    I agree with Ashish that we should not let the religious elements or Army fill the political vacuum.

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi, because you are not in close contact with india , your observations are oversimplistic.
    BJP has gone down 1, THERE IS NO CHARISMATIC LEADER, jaitley , sushma mousi, and the fat boy from nagpur gadkari(give me a break)
    2. There is no MUDDA,ram mandir is dead and buried
    3.They have been found to be EQUALLY CORRUPT
    4. INDIANS(Hindus) ARE GENERALLY MODERATE PEOPLE
    5.AAM AADMI slogan had kicked the s h i t out of INDIA SHINNING slogan, a bit like GARIBI HATAO
    At the end of the day , things if they carry on,there is plenty of reason to be cheerful . If 8 percent growth can be maintained for20 yrs then there will be no poverty.
    As much people like to deride the state of WB, i came across this fact . In WB , a primary school teacher gets 10000rs/month , a secondary school teacher gets 18000rs/month
    Would any blogger give me the current price of chawal. atta , and aloo per kg , so that i can work out the purchasing power parity

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan I may well be simple and my views simplistic, but you are attacking a point that I did not make.

    My points were:

    1. BJP is failing to act as an effective opposition in the parliament, which in turn has led to a political vacuum being created.
    2. It would be a mistake if this vacuum were to be filled by religious or military elements as it is the case in Pakistan.

    Pint and half of Ascot Ale with a Pork Pie was thoroughly enjoyable last night.

    There is only one crummy pub on Havelock Road and I have never ever graced it with my presence.

    Sociology is not my discipline, but feel free to use it as a term of abuse against me.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Ravi-

    The main issue is that neither Congress nor BJP has he mandate of a majority of people.

    How many states Congress rules? BJP has more states but still not a national party.

    In a way our states (at least some; trend is in the positive direction) are becoming like US States – powerful, capable CMs charting a course for the state – Modi, Nitish Kumar, now Jaylalitha, Mamta etc. This evolution will redeine the state/centre resposibilities.

    Pakistan type Military and Religion involvement will not hppen here. Its time have come and gone. Freedom and democracy are cherished as evidenced by the electoral defeat of Srimathi Indira Gandhi after the emergency. Minority (mainly Muslims) will be used as a vote bank by Congress; and the extent of religion involvemnent will be the “appeasement” oriented policies that will not do any good for the minority (other than th feel good) or the country .

    Congress cannot survive without the Muslim votes. However, Muslims, like others, will align with the parties who bring real development. We have seen this in Bihar, and in other recent elections. It will be interesting how the next Lok Sabha elections end up. My tea leaves say that their performancewill be dismal like the DMK’s in the last state election in Tamil Nadu.

    Congress is totally out of touch with the pulse of the people in these graft issues – Ramdev episode is not going to die and will drag Congress through elections. They would have coopted with Ramdev, got some free airtime, “rejuvenated” a little bit if they had any common sense.

    The stupidity is evident at the state level too. They barely scarped through in Kerala eections with a two seat majority in kerala assembly. The outgoing chief miniter Achuthanandan, who fought the elections on an anti crruption/anti women exploitation platform, made a statement that ministerhips should not be awarded to any tainted politicians (leaders ike Muslim League’s Kunjalikutty have huge baggage of financial corruption, womenization etc behind him) – Mr Chandy, the congress CM’s answer was that people cannot pass verdicts, courts have to.

    shan Reply:

    @RAVI, my faourite is CARLSBERG,remember the ad “probably the best lager in the world”
    as for pork pie , my favourite is molton mowbray.
    You had written at length about “MALE GAZE” and said you were taught in sociology class.
    As for BJP being an effective opposition, BJP HAD FAILED TO WIN ANY SEAT IN THE RECENT ELECTIONS IN FOUR STATES.
    Congress had only 29% of votes , and INDIA IS NOT A SANDY DESERT , SO VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR RELIGION TO OVERTAKE POLITICS , AND REMEMBER AMARTYA SEN
    “ARGUMENTATIVE INDIAN” ,so there will be always vociferous opposition , BUT ITS TIME HASN’T COME.
    Lets say another 26/11 and CON gress doesn’t act , ALL BETS ARE OFF , BJP back in power in no time. Six months is a long time in politics

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    The Ascot Ale is a new ale launched by Fullers, in time for Ascot Races and the pork pie I had was made by the Prue Leith’s restaurant in the Great Park. Meltom Mowbray makes good pies in massive scale, mine was more like a home made pie with salad.

    Carlsberg may be the best lager in the world, it is still a lager, and I am a Bitter man and as many here would vouch probably twisted too.

    I am not averse to BJP coming to power, I am much more interested in BJP breaking its moorings from RSS and broaden its agenda as well as appeal. In my opinion Indian democracy would be healthier if there was a strong left of centre party which is balance by a right of centre party. I don’t even mind the BJP having a strong Hindu agenda. But what I do mind is BJP having little more than a Hindu Agenda.

    Religion does not have to take over politics if parties such as the Akali Dal, The Muslim League and to a certain extent the BJP. All these parties have very strong Religious elements in their make-up.

    The point is the “STREET” is not a good place for responsible opposition; it should be reserved for REVOLUTIONS.

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I think we are in the same book even if not on the same page.

    When I said that the “political structure in India is fragmented” then that is exactly what I meant. Regional as well as religious parties, are making it impossible for a National Party to have a strong mandate. Strong Indian identity which we all had – post independence – has given way to stronger than before regional identities. Coalition governance has its own characteristics, which is what we are currently witnessing with Congress.

    I agree that in India, Military or strong Religious Party governing is highly unlikely.

    Where I think we are not on the same page is your analysis of vote bank politics. As I said elsewhere, every single political party has strong core following, other wise known as its vote bank and it pursues policies and tactics which solidify thisvote bank and nurture it. Just as you can say the Congress indulges in minority appeasing then I can say the Religious Shenanigans such as Rath Yatra and a riot here and riot there, is used to solidify the conservative right wing elements of the Hindu Polity.

    I am not sure on what basis you are able to say that Congress is totally out of touch with the pulse of the people considering only 2 years ago it won a national election making it the largest political party. If one was to look at election results then it is clear that if any party has lost touch with its people then it is the BJP. It is not a opposition it just lurches from one gimmick to the next.

    Most regional parties that did well in the last election are derivatives of Congress, in so far as they are left of centre secular parties. Right wing parties overall did poorly.

    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Ravi-

    The first non-congress chief minister in any state of post independnce India was EMS Namboodiripad’s communist ministry in kerala in 1957. EMS also has the credit of being the first communist to leadi the communist party thru election and winning.

    Now as the last elections show, communitsts cannot claim to be a national party. In fact, I wrote a column in the local paper here that the Kerala communists (who are still quite strong and the single largest party) should reinvent and rebrand as Kerala development party or something like that (a ka Telugu Desham ettc), strike electoral alliance with the state BJP and become the largest vote gathering party in the state. Since most seats are won or lost by lower thousand votes, a communist-BJP alliance (with communists committed to a chinese style growth) will help Communist to win 90-100 seats easily. There has been stranger bedfellows in politics.

    Congress will lose Andhra and its heavy contingent of MPs. Add 45 from Tamil Nadu.

    I do not think any vote bank politics is going to help unless there is concrete contribution to the vote bank people’s development. Monkey business will not bring votes.

    The winning parties will be centre right type as the country continues to develop and grow. Centre right parties are winning all across the world. And in an India concerned with corruption, food availabuility/price, potential Pakistani terrorism, uncertain world economy etc, next Parliament elections will be won by AIDMK and its electoral allies. I do not see Congress in that alliance

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    There is hardly anything in what you have said, that can be disagreed with.

    Centre right winning is OK. Far right winning is not OK.

    Centre left winning is OK. Far left winning is not OK.

    shan Reply:

    For the folks uninitiated in matters english. RAVI’s snobbery about dining at pru leith in the great park. pru leith has a culinary school for budding chefs ,she had also written an ENCYCLOPAEDIA called Leith’s Cookery Bible which I have flicked through.
    Leith had cooked for PRINCESS MARGARET. The great park is WINDSOR PARK.
    @ravi , I am quite a connosier of good food. I am aware of leith in kensinsgton , I am not aware of leith’s in great park.I usually visit the ones in west end after the theatre, LE GARRICK IS NOT BAD , Carluccio is **** , Le buvette in Richmond is good . Indian restaurants , the cheap bangladeshi ones you wouldn’t give to your dog in India. Bombay brasserie is good,i also like SARKHEL in richmond , probably only restaurant serves calcutta bengali food.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I would not have considered a Pru Leith’s Pork Pie as a sign of snobbery. I mentioned it in reply to your preference for Melton Mowbray made Pork Pies which are legendary.

    I live not far from the Great Park and go for walks there very often. It was not a special visit.

    I cook myself and therefore rarely ever go to any “Indian” restaurants, when we do, we prefer to go to Southall, where four generations of my family has been patrons of Roxy (Saggo & Thakar) for the last 40 years.

    There is no shortage of good restaurants in the west end, but when we go to see theatre, we go to the China Town in Gerrard St, for a belly full of Dim Sum.

    shan Reply:

    @ravi, four generation in southall , yet you”claim” you left india in mid 70’s.
    Doesn’t add up does it.
    I will try out Roxy next time i visit southall.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    My aunt is 82 and my grand daughter is 8 weeks. Surely you can do the maths.

    I left India in 1972.

  • Rizwan

    shenoy sir, aapki poetry niraali- combining it with Balwinder paaji’s phuljaris-

    SHAN-
    ” koyee kehte hain hai yeh ek shaitaan
    bkehta hai ‘My name is Shan,
    I am not a terrorist, I am only pareshaan
    Spank-me-I-luv-it-my-name-is-khan-shaan ”

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    shan Reply:

    Rizwan
    koyee kehta hai chunnat hua rizwan
    bkehta hai My name is rizwan
    I am not a terrorist ONLY SYMPATHISER
    abba ka tukre me palnewala MOUGA KAR RAHA HAI INTEEZAR
    Kab milega inheritance , otherwise Rizwan ban jayega BEKAAR(unemployed)

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  • Shoeb K

    Shan,

    It is not a must that you should have an opinion on everything. There are millions of people who are pure vegetarians including the extreme version of “veggans” who are quite healthy.

    One would think that since meat is a derived food, it cannot be as healthy as the original.
    But that is beside the point.

    Tamil Iyers and Iyengars (“tambrahm”) are 99% vegetarians, they excel in science and other knowledge professions, and sports, and live a long healthy life too. The nobel price winners that community have produced are all vegetarians. I have several close friends who have four generations (in few cases five generations) living healthy on strict vegetarian food (no eggs, and not even some vegetables like onions and garlic).

    At the end of the day one should eat what one wants. No meaning in ridiculing ones food habits

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    shan Reply:

    shoebK,you generally write sense , i am amazed you did not appreciate the thrust of my argument.
    LETS NOT GET INTO WHAT ELSE TAM BRAMS DID.
    The point is as a national policy i would strongly advice NON VEG,tam brams may afford PANEER AND GHEE and DAL(which I am aware is bloody expensive in India and LOTS OF GOOD VEGETABLES. This is a diet not affordable by ordinary RATHER DARK skinned tamils. Also protein malnutrition and NIGHT BLINDNESS is rife in india , the later due to lack of vit a , you can get it in carrots , beet or EGG. In India UNLIKE UK , carrots and beet only available in WINTER.

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Thanks.

    I believe the real issue with food is “food security”. A growing demand for “protein” from China and India that cannot be met with existing supplies, compounded by extreme weather, all causing food price to go very high.

    China is trying to handle this through leasing zillions of acres of land in the arable parts of Africa and growing wheat/rice/vegs etc. India has not announced any official plan, other than th supreme court saying food acnnot be let rot in government warehouses. US, for the first time, has included food security in the national security agenda. I hope our government would not wait for another hunger strike by another leader to put a plan and action in place.

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    shan Reply:

    @ShoebK, outstanding , this is what i have been harping on all the time rather making banal and “release” seeking frolick of bashing pakistan.
    Please allow me to enlighten you about the agriculture in UK
    Being of a biological science background I have keen interest in these matters.
    first a stasistics ,wheat output in UK is 8ton /hectare , in india 3.5 ton/hectare
    I will take you stage by stage.
    sowing of seeds , in india scattered by hand ,many lost by wind current , bird ,not falling in right place.
    John Tyne inented a machine 150yrs ago which sows seed in neat rows .
    THE ROWING IS MIND BOGGLINGLY DENSE, it needs to be seen to be beleived.Output automatically follows
    Soil care , there is no idea about it in india , they only think, spraying fertilisers will solve everything. MOST IMPORTANT IS HUMUS OR TOP SOIL , then there is drainage , acidity etc.
    Not to mention the high tech end, not far from where i live, here is cut and paste
    The crops at Thanet Earth are all grown hydroponically. This is a common method of large-scale production which involves setting the roots of the plants in a fibrous material like Rockwool insulation, rather than soil. These growbags are perfect for providing a really good, spongy anchor for the plant roots and they’re recycled afterwards.

    The baby plants are bought from specialist nurseries and placed on their Rockwool growbag. A dripper provides them with a mix of water and plant food with amounts given dependant on the variety growing, the time of day, the external weather conditions and light levels, and the desired growth rate of the plant. The system is controlled by a central computer.www.thanetearth.com/
    INDIAS AGRICULTURE IS IN STONE AGE, rather than corruption ,pakistan , terrorism THIS DEMANDS THE URGENT ATTENTION, AS FOR SETTLING THE VEGETARIAN DEBATE READ THE NEXT POST

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shoeb;
    Kenya had also offered Indians, land for agriculture. Any body interested in Africa for farming, contact me.

    shan Reply:

    This is from GANONG’s Text book of physiology (translated into ten different languages) page245
    Grade1 proteins , the animal proteins of meat , fish, and eggscontain amino acids in approximatelythe proportions required for protein synthesis and other uses.some of the plant proteins are grade 1 proteins , BUT MOST ARE GRADE2, because they supply different proportions of amino acids and some lack one or more ESSENTIAL amino acids. Protein needs can be met with a mixture of grade2 proteins BUT THE INTAKE MUST BE LARGE BECAUSE OF AMINO ACID WASTAGE.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I read my PSM from Dr. Park. It was long time back and do not recollect very well. Animal protein is very costly and can not be afforded by middle class people even twice a week. As I said, in India, meat is prepared with great efforts and it is made as spicy as possible for taste. Any body, when taking meat, does S/he think about its biological value, absolutely no.

    I agree with you that vegetarian diet does not provide all the essential amino acids and should be supplemented by some thing more. lentils are good source, but not the best source. A mixture of flour was prepared, where different grains compensated for what one grain was lacking in. Now, Eggs are being offered in a way, that they are vegetarian as no embryo is present there. Eggs are almost 100% biologically top grade proteins and should be acceptable to even moderate vegetarians.
    In India, problem of Malnutrition is severe, which can not be tackled by people alone. protein supplements, vitamin A supplements and subsidized food is the answer for BPL peole. Food habits are last thing, which a person can change. changing dress, language, accent are easy. Still, my Mom made the best food in the world.

    Ashish Reply:

    Pankaj#1,
    Still, my Mom made the best food in the world.
    Brave statement, sir! I take it that your wife does not follow your online forays closely :P

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Ashish for the timely warning. though she does not pry on my exchanges, but, nevertheless complain bitterly against me spending time on computer.

  • Binoy Hegde
  • Vijay Kumar

    :D :D ~~ WHY THE CONGRESS RANTINGS AGAINST 5 STARS IS A JOKE ~~ :D :D ~~

    To anybody who is familiar with the five star hotels of Delhi they would be knowing that many a Congress MP can be seen dining there, especially after midnight ! :D

    In fact as a child I distinctly remember seeing Rajiv Gandhi, moving in the corridoors of Oberois holding his meetings there. :D

    TO top it all, tow of its Ministers– Shashi Tharoor and S M Krishana chose to live in five stars as they found the huge goverrnment accomodation unlivable and waited for bigger bunglows. Thier bills were in excess of 20 lakhs a month each. :D :D :D

    Now the same holier than thou, lover of Swiss banks and five stars is shouting a holier than thou rant that baba Ramdev came to meet htme in a five star hotel ! :D :D

    Wah re Congress !! Dhikkar hai Dhiakkar hai !!

    `WHY DOES’NT THE CONGRESS REVEAL THAT ITS OWN SON-IN LAW, A CERTAIN ROBERT VADRA OWNS A FIVE STAR HOTEL IN GURGOAN– THE HILTON (opened in collaboration with the Paris Hilton family)…. :D :D :D

    The story of a small non exporter owning a five star in collaboration with DLF and Paris Hilton family is a saga of the Congress family rising… !! :D :D

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    S Singh Reply:

    Does anybody know whether Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi are practisng (whatever that means) Hindus or Christians?

    Did Priyanka Gandhi keep her last name or change to Wadra after her marriage?

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  • S Singh

    So now Dayanidhi Maran is also in the G2 racket. Looks like he will join his cousin inTihar.

    Other politicians must be crying about the amount of money they could have made!.(and hidden which DMK could not do a good job at – they should have attended Sharad Pawar Univesity!)

    Didnt Digvijay go after Radia tapes asto the legality of taping?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Tajender;
    you are improving too. I am surprised with your knowledge, though you are confined to muslim matters and more on deeni matters. But Tej bahadur and iqbal were cousins, this I did not know.

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  • Rizwan

    WHY DO I HAVE SUCH AN EMPTY FEELING OVER BABA RAMDEV’S OUSTER ?

    why did bollywood ignore him?

    why did Shahrukh khan needlessly undermine him, I lost respect for SRK there?

    iS IT COS EVERYONE IN BOLLYWOOD AND PARLIAMENT HAVE ££$$ STASHED ABROAD??

    am i the only english speaking urbanite without a swiss account??

    why does this empty feeling not go away? baba ramdev, lage raho….

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Rizwan

    The targedy is that all parties are together in attacking when it comes to Lokpal, anti-corruption, anti-black money etc. All of them have skeletons in their closet.

    I believe people have waken up; somehow or other things will have to change

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gopi,

    Other parties may have skeletons in their cup-board, but the congress party has several dinosaurs in its basement.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rizwan,

    for your kind of money, an account in Grindlays or Midland Bank would do just fine.
    when there is a respectable figure at credit, the feeling of emptiness will vanish quickly.

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  • Rizwan

    SHAN, yet yanother dressing down, buddy I lost count. This time from straight talking Shoeb –

    ” Shoeb K says: Shan,

    It is not a must that you should have an opinion on everything. There are millions of people who are pure vegetarians who are quite healthy.Tamil Iyers and Iyengars (“tambrahm”) are 99% vegetarians, they excel in science and other knowledge professions, and sports, and live a long healthy life too. The nobel price winners that community have produced are all vegetarians. ”
    ++++++++++
    THE FIRST SENTENCE dude, yes that one, read it

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    shan Reply:

    @Rizwan, the one who has lost the most sensitive skin in a man’s body, show this to your abbajan your feeder
    Ravi in New York City Reply:
    July 26th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Shan, wherever you are, you are a smart person. Keep up the good work.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This is what makes me proud of Sikh brothers…

    Midnight crackdown: From Ramlila Ground to gurudwara
    http://www.samachar.com/Midnight-crackdown-From-Ramlila-Ground-to-gurudwara-lgfrJKhighd.html

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    Ravi Reply:

    One likely route from the Ramlila Ground to the Bangla Shaib Gurudwara passes under the Minto Bridge and through Connaught Place. On the way the supporters of Ramdev would have passed the Hanuman Temple, and I am 100% sure that they would have been protected there just as well.

    Further more Gurudwara Sis Ganj is actually closer to the Ramlila Grounds than Gurudwara Bangla Shaib is.

    Moogle maps my friends, Moogle maps.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “Moogle maps”

    Is it madrasa version of google maps? just curious.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes they are standard ISI issue, which I have been using for a long time to persuade you that I do not live in the Jhuggi Jhompri, by the side of Nai Sarak, Cawnpoore, in the basti of Dehra – Ul – Dhoon, in Karachi.

    As you very well know, that I have completely failed because all the information is avialble on Google Earth, sorry Moogle Maps.

    Ravi Reply:

    Madrassa is next to the Safdar Jung’s toomb, on the way to Race Course.

  • Mohan Ramchandani

    Rajeev,

    Thanks. Is this is begining of the end of UPA rule at the centre ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Ramchandani,
    Ramdev was ill-treated not because he was talking against corruption but because he took support of RSS. Moreover Saffron is color of terror for UPA govt. Do you think Congress would have treated Bukhari or John Dayal like this? Never…
    It is pure case of congress’s communal politics.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I just want to ask one question. When politicians like Digvijay ask Sanyasi not to indulge in politics but limit himself to his domain, may I ask why are politicians involved in cricket, business, NGOs, agriculture etc.

    By this definition, politicians should limit themselves to only politics..

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    Ravi Reply:

    A Sanyasi has taken Sanyas.

    A politician has not.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    What about Hazare? He has not taken Sanyas? What about Sachin Tendulkar?

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    Ravi Reply:

    No they have not taken Sanyas.

    Who is preventing them from entering Politics or for that matter any other field.

    If Actors can do then so can Sportspersons as well as retired servicemen.

    Rajeev Reply:

    When Hazare spoke about issue, he was asked to keep out of politics…Same happened with Tendulkar when he said “Mumbai belongs to Indians”….

    One can enter politics in an informal manner too..as you and I do on this blogs.

    The freedom of expression gives us right to express ourselves on any issue including politics.

    If Bukhari can enter politics then Sanyasi can too..

    Ravi Reply:

    There is a world of difference between making a political comment or even leading a political agitation and launching a Political Party.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Even voting in an election is part of politics..Are these goon politicians going to question right to vote?

    Every citizen has full right to express himself/herself on any issue and even participate in it.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Despite all this, Congress will still come back to power courtesy 10% assured votes of hindu phobic minorities. Our minorities will support congress even if that means going hungry to bed.

    Frankly speaking I see a very bleak future for Indians especially hindus.

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  • rajiv

    ————————————————————————————
    Manmohan Vs Sonia..
    ————————————————————————————-

    To me it looks like that the Sonia faction of Congress , represented by her biggest hug and chamcha Digvijay Singh and Kapil Sibal, want to go on the offensive against Baba Ramdev against Mr Manmohans approach of a negotiated solution.
    They are not fighting or debating the isue of black money in foreign banks but trying to give a communal color to the issue championed by Ramdev.

    Its becoming more and more clear to me that Sonia and her minions are against uncovering money in foreign banks. Period.

    As I had quoted earlier, there are existing Swiss laws, which allow govt of India, to get a Pct everyyear in Interest income, called retained income, off the swiss bank depocits from India. This has been availd by EU nations, Germany, France in last couple of years.

    Since you get a defined pct of the deposits, the government immediately knows, whats the total value of deposits and gets 100’s of millions as retained income.

    However, Congress is only interested in delaying, demagouging and not debating the issue but only interested in calling Ramdev, RSS agent, Hindu agent etc.

    The entire opposition should get together, if they are interested in fighting corruption and not be intimidated by Congress tactics of smearing the opposition instead of finding solutions.

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  • rajiv

    Any citizen, irrespective of his profession, doctor, lawyer, pandit, sanyasi, moulavi can enter politics.

    Politics is not the prerogative of un-employed hoodlums even though some fools ( thats a generous view ) are suggesting that.

    Instead of debating the isues raised, the thugs and criminals in congress want to debate individuals. So should we be debating the issues Sonia stands for or should we be debating that she is a Italian waitress ?

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  • jai vaidya

    Rajeev, dnn’t be so pessimistic,. This could yet be a game changer. The police action is pure Mussolini style.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I’m not pessimistic but being realistic. The days of Mahatma Gandhi are gone….India needs armed revolution.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    eight hundred million Indians do not have money even to buy cloth for their langoties. How can they buy “arms” for the armed revolution you are so sanguinely talking about?

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  • Rizwan

    MY BLOOD BOILS
    +++++++++++++++
    FROM RAJEEV’S link posted above- http://www.samachar.com/Midnight-crackdown-From-Ramlila-Ground-to-gurudwara-lgfrJKhighd.html

    ” ‘I was dragged like a dog by my legs till the main road and then dumped like garbage in one of the police vans,’ added Chaudhry. Women priests were dragged by their legs and hair ”.
    ‘I lost a handbag inside last night. I sent my wife and son back home to Kurukshetra (Haryana) while I have been sitting here since morning trying to retrieve my bag,’ said Brij Mohan.
    ++++++++
    am I missing something here- this ws a peaceful protest- which involved all religions and all classes. read this bit abt a family that had come to protest-
    ” ‘I lost a handbag inside last night. I sent my wife and son back home to Kurukshetra (Haryana) while I have been sitting here since morning trying to retrieve my bag,’ said Brij Mohan. ”

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    Rizwan Reply:

    why is the opposition incl BJP silent

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    Rajeev Reply:

    The reason is BJP too wants status quo to be maintained so that it can also carry on with its peanut corruption under congress’s mega corruption.

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  • shan

    Religion and politics is a dangerous mix, ELSE TALIBAN would have been a good idea. the whole basis of a secular society is to keepreligion and religious leaders outside the ambit of political power.
    Asfor the FOLKSY class 6 pass BABA, i think he is a BUFFOON

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan,

    sagarika Ghose, your own Bengali media high priestess, called Baba Ramdev a Bhinderanwale!

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    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy, the physical appearance is uncannily similar DARI and the lot , also BABA hails from Haryana , did Bhindranwale also hail from Haryana

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  • rajiv

    Well lets put all Baffons inside prison, beginning with Shan, as some may argue !
    How about that ?

    The point is to debate Ramdev’s main demand that legislation be enacted for tackling the menance of black money. You can call him bafoon, saffron, madari – all you want, just as baffons and known criminal thugs like digvijay is doing, but that’s irrelevent

    As I said, I do not agree with many of Ramdev’s demands or antics. But I even more strongly disagree with Congress protecting and promoting the corrupt and its tactics in dealing with dissent.

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  • rajiv

    The other thing is that to call Ramdev’s demands as ‘mixing religion with politics’ means that the person saying so, neither understands religion nor politics !!! Or should I say more ?

    Ramdev is not arguing for making a hindu state or anything even remotely related to religion. In fact, he is a yoga specialist, just like fitness specialist and is not a religious preacher.
    He is a yoga specialist with strong political vierws, just as many of us are lawyers, engineers or animal doctors with strong political views.

    yoga of course, some fools think yoga and hinduism are the same thing, but then there is no cure for wilful or otherwise ignorance.

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  • jai Vaidya

    Some times it takes man of the masses, pitchfork in hand and a mob behind him to make the intolerant elites see some sense. These elites have complete contempt for the people they rule.Ramdev is not really a religious man. He would find it hard to debate the Upanishads or the nconcept of Advaita. He is no Swami Vivekanand., and some of his thoughts do make me cringe.Yet, if he can put some fear in this brazen looting of national wealth. So what if he is 6th class pass, and what qualifications does the Congress party president have? Shall we simply give her a pass because she is white. Shan, YEH ANPAD ZAROOR HAIN LEKIN BEWAKOOF NAHIN.

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  • rajiv

    ————————————————————————————-
    The Aanna Hazare movement is the real thing..
    ————————————————————————————-

    Agitated over the treatment meted out to Baba Ramdev, Anna Hazare-led civil society on Sunday announced a day-long nationwide hunger strike on Wednesday in protest and decided to boycott the meetings of Lokpal drafting committee in another showdown with the government.

    Accusing the government of having suspicious intent with regard to dealing with corruption, Mr. Hazare said the civil society would defy prohibitory orders on Wednesday at Jantar Mantar to protest the police action against Baba Ramdev’s movement.

    However, Mr. Hazare said he has “some issues” with the yoga guru and would not share the dais with him at Jantar Mantar.

    “We have been interacting with this government in the Joint Committee for the last one and a half months. The incidents of the last night and the proceedings of earlier meetings clearly make government’s intentions in dealing with corruption suspect.

    “The government has been trying to crush anti-corruption movement. We have therefore decided not to attend Joint Committee meetings,” he told a press conference.

    Mr. Hazare said his side was writing a letter to Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, who is the chairman of the joint drafting committee on Lokpal Bill, asking the government to make its stand public on some of the key issues related to the anti-corruption legislation.

    “We have already made our stand clear on these issues. After we receive government’s response, we will decide whether any useful public purpose would be served in attending joint committee meetings,” he said.

    On Baba Ramdev, the Gandhian said he has to “sort out” the issues with the yoga guru before sharing the same platform for any protests. However, he was quick to add that he supported the issue of black money raised by Baba Ramdev.

    Asked how he plans to go ahead with his June 8 protest, Mr. Hazare said, “How can the government stop anyone from protesting? The land is not their ‘father’s property.’ The citizens are the masters and the ministers are their servants.”

    Live telecast of Lokpal meet

    Mr. Hazare also put another pre-condition for attending the joint committee meetings. “In view of government’s barbaric actions, since its intentions to remove corruption have become suspect, we will attend any future meetings of the joint committee only if they were telecast live.”

    “If the Government hesitates in bringing a strong Lokpal Bill, we will be left with no option but to go back to Jantar Mantar,” he said.

    He said, if the government does not learn the lesson, a bigger agitation will be launched, emphasising the need for launching a “second freedom struggle.”

    Comparing the government’s crackdown on Baba Ramdev’s supporters to the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, the Gandhian questioned, “What is the difference between the British autocracy and today’s democracy?”

    When asked if the government should resign over last night’s incident, Mr. Hazare said, “What would happen if the government changes? They are all the same. The new leaders will be the brothers of the old one.”

    Joint Committee co-chair Shanti Bhushan demanded that the Prime Minister explain the reasons that provoked the police action on Baba’s supporters last night and said if the government doesn’t make its stand clear, another nationwide agitation will be launched.

    “Last night’s brutal assault of the government reminds one of the Emergency. It is almost an Emergency-like situation. Today is June 5, the Sampoorn Kranti Diwas. People of this country rose against government injustice 35 years back. Time has come for the people to similarly rise against corruption,” Shanti Bhushan said.

    Social activist Arvind Kejriwal maintained that the Hazare group is supporting the demands raised by Baba Ramdev and is not in favour of any group or a political party.

    “We aren’t supporting any individual or a party. We are fighting in favour of a cause,” Mr. Kejriwal said.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2079356.ece

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  • shan

    @rajiv and jay, classical indian response , EMOTION , EXCITEMENT HYPE LED HYSTERIA
    Why not BJP bring a private members bill with all the demands of hazare and baba , AND LETS SEE IF CON gress has the B A L LS to not let it pass.If it does , then come next election , MERA BHARAT MAHAN JANATA will be have the chance to do what people of WB did to CPM, send it to oblivion.
    This is also known as POWER OF THE BALLOT in contrast to STREET POLITICS

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shan,
    I think you are not in sync with reality. The congress has made BJP irrelevant courtesy helpful anti-BJP media. If BJP brings any such bill, we will see NIA going after few more BJP guys on terror.
    Sonia Gandhi is finally showing her fascist genes. This lady needs to go…

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    rajiv Reply:

    some valid points, but BJP does not have majority to pass any bill.
    Sure it should not stop it from doing its job.
    However the reason why Anna Hazare and Ramdev are gaining so much popular traction is because BJP has done poorly as an opposition.

    It would be great if BJP set up a team to talk to Aanna Hazare , Ramdev with the purpose of bringing a bill to parliament. BJP must explore that route.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    The problem is that muslims don’t want to see beyond Islamic issues…They don’t live in India but in Islamic world..(whatever that means).

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  • Ritesh Shrivastava

    Saw your arguments on CNN IBN Today , Mr. Vinod Sharma …Man, you take the cake for servility to Gandhi family ..please give up this pretence of a journalist and join Congress openly and enjoy chicken kababs at Nawaz Sharif’s home ……………..

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~~ AAJ KA JAAM ILYAAs KASHMIRI KE NAAM ~~~ ::D :D ~~~

    THere is a party at my house… And jaam par jaam chal raha hai !! :D :D

    I am watching Vinod Sharma on CNN IBN defending the COngress, He is not qustioning the names of the political leaders who took kickbacks and hid the mnoney in Swiss banks.

    One guy at my party whose brother is in the government claims that 30,000 crores are in one account of one _______ ______ .

    Meanwhile Ram Jethmalani calls Digvinash SIngh and COngress dacoits, while Vinod Sharma is shouting RSS, BJP all the time. Suhel Seth who represents a cigar, cigarette and cola companies is here trying to defame Ramdev.

    I fill my glass with a big shot of blue label… :D

    And then my mind goes to Ilyas Kashmiri. Kya mauj kar raha hoga woh jannat mein :D :D

    72… wah wah

    “Jaam uthao . Ilyas gaya… ab 99999 aur ko jannat bhejna hai” I announce Everyone claps. Wah wah wah

    I think we should celeberate the death o Ilyas as much as America celeberated Laden’s sea and fish jannat :D

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  • rajiv

    A balanced editorial from the Hindu on this Govt Vs Ramdev issue.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/article2079404.ece

    The midnight police swoop on yoga exponent and telestar ‘Baba’ Ramdev and his supporters was arbitrary, brutal, and anti-democratic. A peaceful assembly had suddenly been set upon and tens of innocent people injured for no fault of their own. “No government has reached out as much as ours,” negotiating Minister Kapil Sibal had boasted on the eve of the action. “But if we can reach out, we can also rein in.” Mr. Sibal mis-spoke: what he meant perhaps was ‘No government has the capacity to lurch from one extreme to the other as our government.’ First, it reached out to Shri Ramdev in a way that was indistinguishable from obsequiousness, with four Ministers led by the second-ranking Cabinet Minister, Pranab Mukherjee, abandoning all semblance of dignity by going to the airport to receive a man who has since been denounced as a ‘cheat’ and a ‘thug’ by a senior Congress leader, Digvijay Singh. The message that immediately went out was that given the anti-corruption mood in the country, the Manmohan Singh government was desperate to fend off further political trouble. It then negotiated in secret with Shri Ramdev, supposedly to get on top of the huge and complex issue of India’s black or dirty money — which is parked in tax havens, exploits the offshore system that is analysed powerfully in Nicholas Shaxson’s book, Treasure Islands: Tax Havens and the Men Who Stole the World (The Bodley Head, London, 2011), and has figured in global reports and in releases of secret banking records by WikiLeaks that provide a foretaste of what is to come. The message sent out by the midnight police action at New Delhi’s Ramlila Maidan was profoundly anti-democratic: for those who won’t ‘reach out’ to the government by doing a backroom deal, the ‘reining in’ will be by teargas and police lathis, fists, and boots.

    A quick look at Shri Ramdev’s charter of demands reveals that many of them are bizarre or over-the-top or don’t fit into India’s constitutional scheme. His mobilisation has brought in large numbers of people who are sincere in their detestation of corruption — and also communal elements and reactionaries. But every Act and Scene of the tragicomedy, L’affaire Ramdev, has exposed the political bankruptcy of the United Progressive Alliance government when it comes to dealing with the issues of corruption, ministerial misconduct, and abuse of power. Beleaguered by a multitude of corruption scandals dominated by the 2G-spectrum allocation scam, it has earned the reputation for being the most corrupt dispensation independent India has seen. On top of this, by lurching from one extreme to another in unprincipled and anti-democratic fashion, it has miscalculated badly and landed in a deeper mess.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    well guys just finished a very pleasurable weekend in London as guest of the Indian embassy. Radhika Chopra had performed her ghazals there as well as a selection of songs from long forgotten singers including-
    Uma Rani (tun tun)
    Jagjeet Kaur
    Geeta Dutt
    Mubarak Begum

    Then I being a political animal got into it with the others incl some Pak guests. Two topics dominated- Ramdev, and this will surprise you- Zia and VINOD SHARMA’S BLOGS !!! Some of my friends follow me there, and they have let the other embassy staff know.
    SO GUYS CELEBRATE, you have an international audience

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    and certain bloggers here have a fan following !!! It would swell these guys heads but I will mention their names-
    Ashish
    Rajiv with an I
    Shenoy’s rambling prose- yes- it has its admirers in London , haha, I could not believe it, great
    Shoeb
    Gopi Thomas
    Bobby- I was surprised at this one
    Balwinder’s jokes- in fact quite a fan following

    and I will be fair and say that even RAVI had a mention by 1 or 2 who said – their words not mine- if you get past his ‘difficult side’- he can raise uncomfortable points
    —————-there you have it folks, we have a global audience hanging on our words. Foreign office mandarins taking notes of what Zia’s and VINOD SHARMA’S gang is saying.
    ——–okay I made the last bit up. lol

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    It is surprising how your ‘gang’ missed Vijay Kumar. He is by far the best blogger here and his posts-each one of them- are witty, informative and by their very nature call for repostes. I have always found them well worth replying in one liners.

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  • rajiv

    ————————————————-
    Alexander was a muslim..
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    Meanwhile, here is an interesting article from the Pak press, about how Pakistanis love their tormentors.

    In fact, majority of pakistanis think, Alexander was a Muslim who defeated Hindu king Paurava, and rejoice in it !

    Just read on.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/182895/loving-our-tormentors/

    This series of articles is inspired by the usage of the phrase “loving [our] tormentors” in an editorial published in this newspaper on June 1. Pakistanis today, it is true, simply fail to see an enemy if he wears a long beard and skullcap (or turban) and speaks Arabic. This is true for us since the beginning of the Afghan war in 1980.

    Looking back, however, we find that we have forever been famous for celebrating foreign tormentors. It has gone on so long that this disease is now a part of the collective psyche of the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent. Now, appreciation for post-Hijra outsiders (read Muslims) was kosher for us, whose ancestors converted (and damn the assertions about everyone having arrived from Arabia duly converted), but there is at least one aberration.

    On the post-Hijra freebooters of the 10th century and onward at another time. But consider Alexander. He has been our great hero since all times. We celebrate him — especially his victory over Pauravan — name sons after him, even claim descent from him and, for the greater glory of religion, have also converted him to Islam. Never mind that the conversion is posthumous by two millenniums.

    Back in 2001, I did a thirteen-part documentary on Alexander’s Indian campaign for Pakistan Television. Following the Macedonian from Bajaur (where he entered modern Pakistan) through Swat, Punjab and Sindh to Makran, I met with some bizarre viewpoints on the man. All of them were laudatory. In Taxila, we met the local ‘intellectual’, a beaver more than eager to show off his knowledge of Alexander’s exploits. Needless to say, it was all hogwash, part of the spurious ‘seena gazette’. As he was parting from us, he raised up his hands in orison and prayed for the success of our ‘religious undertaking’. I was taken aback. This was something entirely secular, so what, I asked, did he mean. “You are making a film on one of the greatest heroes of Islam and thus glorifying religion,” said the modern-day sage of Taxila. Upon learning that Sikander was not a Muslim, the man was dumbfounded. After a moment of reflection he blurted out, “Was he a Hindu?”

    In his world of black and white, there was no gray of any other religion. Nevertheless, this newfound knowledge did not take away the man’s love and admiration for Alexander for having done in the Hindu kingdoms of the subcontinent.

    Throughout the journey for the documentary, we only found admiration for Alexander alike among the educated and the illiterate. This had nothing to do with an understanding of his character and his military genius. It had everything to do with the most wacky sort of fiction invented by ignorant ‘intellectuals’ in small provincial towns.

    Only some years earlier I had seen a four-hour documentary on Alexander by British historian Michael Wood. In Iran, Wood came across street performers in a number of towns who recounted tales of the Macedonians. The spiel was almost identical and it vilified Alexander and lionised Darius.

    Now, a reading of history will show that Darius was a craven coward. From the first engagement with Alexander’s army on the Granicus River (now Biga Cayi, pronounced chaie) in Turkey to his final rout in Mesopotamia, the Persian king bolted the minute he set eyes on Alexander’s army. Indeed, Darius’ cowardice is vividly preserved in the famous Pompeii mosaic in the museum at Naples. It shows a very determined looking Alexander pursuing a terrified Darius, his eyes wide with fright.

    However, as in Pakistan we have invented lies and lies to glorify the Macedonian as a great Islamic hero, the Persians have their own yarns about his cowardice and the unstinting courage and heroism of their own king. More times than Darius shamefully fled the battlefield, modern Persians make him face up to the invader and discomfit him. I wonder what the Persians would have made of a king truly as heroic and majestic as our Raja Paurava.

    Historically speaking, this is the first instance of our love for our tormentor. I do not mean to say that this admiration for outsiders goes back to ancient times. Alexander gained our appreciation posthumously, at a time when conversion to Islam split us from our subcontinental family.

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    shan Reply:

    @Rajiv, For once pakistanis are not at fault here. This is exavtly what is written in Nezami’s ESKANDERNAMEH(persian)
    “It is interesting to note that the Persian legend of Alexander as told by Post Islamic writers include such islamic aspects as Mecca, The Black Stone,and Khezr”
    (Source THE PERSIANS BY HOMA KATOUZIAN .page 38)
    Surgeons by nature cannot stand bullshitting , thus whatever I write will be backed by evidence

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajiv,

    Pakistan is a nation founded on a violent religion
    It has a false history
    An imaginery mythology
    A troubled sociology
    A hostile geography &
    A brittle and crumbling economy.

    Is it any wonder that it is hurtling towards self destruction, all the while living in denial?

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    rajiv Reply:

    Lets not call it ‘a violent religion’. There are many peaceful people that follow that religion and many violent people that follow other religions. I may say pakistan is founded on jinnah’s sectarian and religion defined ideology that has perpetrated violence on its minorities.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    continuing from above-
    Radhika Chopra informed us that Mubarak Begum (who mesmerised me in my youth with songs like ‘kabhie tanhayio mein bhi hamari yaad aayegi) is now reduced to living in a chawl and her son drives an auto. The Maharashtra govt gives her a pension of 800 rupees a month.

    the youngsters here will wonder why I am upset- who is M Begum?
    listen to the music- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FuMAFtw9o&feature=related

    I raise a toast to her- music like that is immortal

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    rajiv Reply:

    That was a good link and a fine song. I really admire the poets/lyricists and musicians that India hs produced during the the period 40-50-60-70-ties. For mr lyrics/poetry is the most important component followed by the music.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    rajiv with an I – did your head swell ?

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    rajiv Reply:

    @Dr Mishra,
    That could be fatal for me.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    His ‘i’s must have opened wide in disbelief.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/182895/loving-our-tormentors/

    Rajiv;
    when i had copied this article, i found you have already pasted this in this blog.
    How much true it is!!!
    that is the psych of pakistanis in general.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    doc saheb, do you remember Jagjit Kaur and the others mentioned above ?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    you have stolen my list. The unforgettable melody of Tum Apna Gam…; I searched for the singer and everytime it came as jagjeet kaur. why I had this impression that it was sung by some one with name dilraj/ some D. kaur. I have been big fan of this song and was heart broken that I could not remember, even the name of singer? is there any chance, that this was sung by some body else? this should not be a filmi song, this was sung in 40s or 50s by some body else for Radio???
    please let me know.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Pankaj, not sure about the older version, but here is the link to the one sung by Jagjeet Kaur, not many know she was wife of musical composer Khayaam. In this video, the way the light falls on the lower half of face of the actress is truly great- enjoy-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nD236dJCSs

    Another aside to Radhika Chopra- she has many friends in South bloc. When the IFS ppl used to invite Pakistanis over to India for peace talks etc, the highlight of the week used to be a ghazal performance by the lady and the Pak delegation used to look forward to that. One of those visitors to India- Iftikhar- is now part of the Pak high commission here in London- and he told me this anecdote this weekend.
    What discussions we had- VINOD SHARMA’S blog , denuking Pak and ghazal singers from Nayannara Noor, to Farida khanum and Jagjit Singh etc

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    Thanks for sending this link. I already went to u tube and heard this song to my heart’s content. I was following comments and came to know that this song has been written by two and sung by three. one pakistanis listner commented very highly about the song and blessed one Diljeet kaur for the song. I think, I was right. It was Diljit kaur, who sung this song originally but when you google this singer, you do not get old Diljit kaur. Some other Diljit kaur has taken her place. unfortunate. Though, Jagjeet kaur has also sung this song beautifully and Nivedita is beutiful with magic of Black and white cinematography of yore.. I am great lover of gazals and had rich collectiions of new and old pakistani and Indian singers. list is long.
    Denuking is for the good of what is good in pakistan. we want to denuke them, not nuke them.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Jagjit Kaur is Khayyam’s wife. She has sung just a few songs, the one mentioned by you being her best.

    But, Mubarak Begum? Hers was a much neglected voice and I have always felt sad about it. She sang one of her most memorable songs, “Kabhie Tanhaion..main..” picturised on a young Tanuja in the long forgotten film, “hamaari yaad aayegi” She has also sung a very beautiful gazal, “hum haal-e-dil sunaayenge..” in Madhumati. These two songs are two of my all time favourites.

    rajiv Reply:

    @Panjaj,
    Many of Pak’s aberrations , that find expression in its self-destructive policies, are rooted in their determination to fool themselvs on a falsified narrative of their own history.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    regarding Baba Ramdev and the embassy crowd- very few could speak openly, even my friends there- for party politics cuts into here as well. Surprisingly I had the best discussions with the Pakistani diplomats and their opinion- TOTAL FASCINATION AND ADMIRATION WITH THIS ANNA HAZARE AND RAMDEV phenomenon.
    with them the talk was all gloomy= all they could talk was about the murder and torture of this Shahzad journalist and the mehran attacks.
    They were bemused when I mentioned that I and my merry gang have been discussing that , and the Pak nukes all of last week. I invited them to contribute here, so guys lets see- things could hot up here !!!

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    sorry, in my quest to look for diljit kaur, i forgot to complement Mubarak begam. another Gem. How sad it is to know that these artists suffer so much in their old age and wretched people have so much that it causes GIT disturbance to them( Metaphorically).

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Why the Congress is bound to be crushed in the next elections…. :D

    No individual Congress man — Digvinash, Sonia, Rahul, Prnab etc etc would be able to summon a gathering of more than 1000 people without using a state machinery. RAMDEV CAN GET 50000 ! :D

    The MAND BUDHI Prince will at best get 3000 for curiosity’s sake ! :D

    No individual congressman — you wont be be able to name one senior leader– can ever be called honest or lradiates honesty. RAMDEV DOES ! :D

    Congress men are going to use the fake secular platform but acutally communal by making light of LeT
    Burney and the attacks on 26/11. But most of India which has benefited form Ramdev finds it fake… :D

    So goodbye Congress your time has gone :D :D

    BUT THE REAL FUN WILL START WHEN THE SAME MEDIA WHICH IS LICKING CONGRESS BOOTS WILL CHANGE SIDES IN 2014 ::D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Times of India headline:

    LICKING CONGRESS GOES KICKING

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    Mohan Ramchandani Reply:

    What about AVM’s ?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Just watched debate on Ramdev on various channel but the most interesting and biased one was on CNN-IBN.

    Shabnam Hashmi basically proved that she shares genes of Osama..Our Vinod Sharma was as usual pro-congress literally speaking the language of Digvijay SIngh.

    Our media is part of corruption and this is why Vinod Sharma kind of dubious people get to propogate their hate ideology on various networks.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    It was very sad to watch Vinod Sharma nodding his head in agreement when Shabnam Hashmi, the rabidly anti-Hindu pseudo secular crusader was attacking the RSS and Ramdev, literally screaming and foaming at the mouth.

    The fact that the congress party didn’t send its otherwise TV-loving, voluble, screaming brigade headed by the louded mouth, Manish Tiwari to any of the channels tells its own story. It means, among other things that they have nothing with which to praise the great Soniaji and also it means what they cannot achieve by their screaming will be more than amply achieved by TV loving editors like Dilip Padgaonkar and to a lesser extent, Vinod Sharma. It was very funny to see Padgaonkar struggling to call Baba Ramdev as Mister Ramdev.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Who is this Shabnam Hashmi? is she wife of late Safdar Hashmi?? Slain communist leader of SAHMAT- Who was killed by congressi MLA.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    Shabnam Hashmi is the sister of the late dramatist and communist leader. Funny thing is that some crackpot organisation has recommended her name for the Nobel peace prize!

    Spewing anti-Hindu garbage is her main occupation now.

  • jai Vaidya

    Digvijay Singh is the spokesperson for the S brigadem. He has led the Madame into this quicksand. This loudest oink in the Congress party should be immediately removed., This Congress is completely out of touch with the people.

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  • Ashish

    @Ravi,
    Carlsberg may be the best lager in the world, it is still a lager, and I am a Bitter man and as many here would vouch probably twisted too.
    Classic! Prose! Wah!
    I am incorrigibly prosaic! This just made my day.
    That said, I am a lager man.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy and Rajeev

    The Congress barely scraped thru in the last polls. The 5-10% swing that Ramdev will cause will throw Congress into a dustbin. :D

    Furthermore even the most naive won’t buy Shabnam Hashmi’s arguments. The usual spiel that Godhra was caused by the RSS to find a reason to attack Muslims only pleases the LeT and Pakistan. Unfortunately she was throwing the same logic yesterday that she had some news that Ramdev would be attacked physically by— — — right wing Hindus and riots would be created then. She claimed she had this news since 2006 !

    Dil bhelane ke liye khayal achcha hai.lll :D

    Anyway one thing good emerging out is we would be spared a rule of the mandbudhi prince and his chamchas!

    All the Manbudhi’s forces…
    All the Mandbudhi’s men

    Will not be able to put
    Congress together again

    Good bye Congress !! good riddance !!

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Is this Govt different from the LET or HUJI ?

    Yes. The LET wants to kill and maim us physically. This govt wants to kill our soul.
    The LET uses bombs ,AK 47S against us. This govt uses bribes, forgeries ,lies, blackmail,deceit and if all fail, force.
    The LET wants to kill our religous identity and democracy and establish Islamic rule. This Govt wants to trample on our religous identity , kill our democracy and establish a family run crony democracy.
    The LET earns money thru drugs and finances raised by Mumbai Mafia and some dole from countries having same objective. This Govt thrives on money raised through corruption and Mumbai Mafia and also money from dubious sources..
    The LET has its sleeper cells and Trojan Horses in the the country’s political spectrum , media , NGOs etc. This Govt has its Trojan Horses in the political spectrum, media, NGOs.
    The LET uses jaichands and traitors of India. This govt also uses Jaichands and traitors of India.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Welcome back !!

    What is yopur guess on the end result of this COngress action?

    My guess is the COngress will be reduced to about 50 seats probably all being won where the mandbudhi Yuvraj does not comapaign ! :D

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Thanx Vijay
    Yes on the political fall out of yesterday, it certainly does not add any votes for the Congress . But they only stand to lose some . Baba has followers across the poltical spread and some Congress voters may also feel hurt. So the net result is only negative for the Congress.To what extent they lose politically ,will be played out in the next few days. A bigger worry would be if Anna Hazare’s group also joins hands and starts working in tandem with Baba. (To be seen) and then can build a larger movement.
    The other interesting development is the SC taking suo-moto notice of the episode. To justify the midnight action may not be so easy before the SC. The SC shall ask a lot of questions. Let us see how things happen.
    As for the political parties the NDA may get support from BJD and TMC (?)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    One basic issue we need to fight for is to remove all roots of dynastic succssion. THis leads to a fall of moral standards in the country and creates court jesters journalists and MP’s.

    So if the COngress goes, it would be a good and great thing.

  • Rizwan

    SHAN, your fan club grows and grows
    ++++++++++
    rajiv says: Well lets put all buffoons inside prison, beginning with Shan, as some may argue !
    How about that ?
    +++++++++
    Rajiv, I disagree. Shan must never be sent to prison, we want him here. He provides so much entertainment. we luv spanking his rationalist left botty and humanist right botty , hhahahahaha

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    shan Reply:

    @Rizwan, But your sensitive skin will never grow . Neither will any brain cells in your air head.
    Daddy’s crumbs dependent lapdog, probably only one in this net dependent on Dad’s handout.

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  • Ashish

    This is in response to Ravi’s post above; dated yesterday.
    Ravi Reply:
    June 5th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    I have just seen the interview with Digvijay Singh and I am surprised at the opposition to his speech. Perhaps I am missing some thing in the context.

    Here is what he is saying.

    1. He is not attacking Ramdev, but the Muddas (objectives) he represents.
    Not true. I saw the live telecast of Digvijay Singh’s press-conference; where his focus was clearly on character assassination. “Aur jahan tak Baba Ramdev ka sawal hai, unhone kis kis ko nahin thaga?” was just pawn to king -4. The next 20 sentences were a rapid development of forces where the attack was all on the opposing king. But, very cleverly disguised- diversionary forces- insinuations that Baba has gotten rid of a couple of Yoga gurus who he learn his craft from, were just a few that come to mind.
    Does not explain why Pranab Mukherjee, Sibal and Subodh Sahay were assigned to appeasing Baba for the previous 48 hours.
    2. He is asking where has the figure – of 4 lakh carror of black money stashed in foreign accounts – come from.
    If Digvijay is bad at maths, he can always ask the resident mathematics wizard, Kapil Sibal!
    Are we disputing only 4 lakh crore or the very existence of black money in tax havens abroad? Or the fact that the number is very large?
    3. Why did LK Advani not do anything about Black Money when he was in power, and then in opposition he seems to hugely interested in it.
    Good question. I agree that the Congress is consistent. Whether in or out of power, it has never bothered about doing anything seriously about corruption; right from the time of Nehru. More pertinently, the question we want to ask the government and the ruling party is why have they allowed/ perpetrated massive frauds on the exchequer by Maran, Raja etc?
    The anti-corruption movement has massive support- even among people who do not agree with the shape of the movement, like me.
    4. He wants to change the constitution of India and wants the Prime minister to be directly elected by the people.
    A POV. Is it criminal to hold a POV in Congress-land?
    5. Ramdev is a Sanyasi, why is he entering into politics.
    I think the definition of Sanyas is tyag- so, why do congressmen never tire of speaking of the Maha-Tyag of Sonia Gandhi. When she “renounced” a position, she should have renounced power also, right? Instead, she created this shady animal called NAC, with no constitutional provision and continued in a position of power without accountability.
    6. Who is paying for all this Protests.
    Okay, so, Congress has not managed to put a finger in every pocket in this country. Sad!
    7. Why is it when the world is becoming a global village with English as its lingua franca the swami ji is insisting that Engineering and Medicine be taught in Hindi and other vernaculars?
    Irrelevant to the question of corruption.

    Every single question here is a valid question, not only Digvijay Singh but I am sure many more people would ask exactly the very same questions. So what is wrong here, why is Digvijay being painted as the Villain.
    Read above.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    The interview I was referring to is the one for which a link was provided here.

    http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/videos/54206

    I know absolutely nothing about Digvijay Singh and I respect your opinions.

    I was just wondering what the fuss was all about.

    Then Abhishek Pohankar distracted me.

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    shan Reply:

    @Ravi , the fact that you know nothing about Digvijay Singh , for that matter anything about our Janambhoomi , but post comments and knowledge about the localities based on scavenging the net PUTS A BIG QUESTION MARK ON YOUR TRUE JANAMBHOOMI

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    Ravi Reply:

    Moogle maps my friend Moogle maps

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Friends,

    here are a few thoughts.

    After studying some bizarre demands of his, Baba Ramdev can occasionally be called Bablu Ramdev.

    After watching the way Sibal has led this government deep into its present crisis, we can call him Khali Kapal Sibal.

    After watching the congress spokespersons doing the vanishing act on TV for the last few days, we can call them “Houdini’s vanishing brigade”.

    After the manner in which Chidambaram “solved” the problem of Baba Ramdev for Sonia Gandhi and her party by a Jallianwalabagh action, we can call him “Sankat Mochan Mantri”

    Similarly some of the media channels can be called “The Boot-licking Madhyam”.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy Sahib

    Tumhara dil kabhi mere dil ke brabar ho nahin sakta
    Who shisha ho nahin sakta, yeh pathar ho nahin sakta
    Hum haal-e-dil sunaye gey, suniyae ke na suniyae
    Sau bar dohorayen ge, suniye ken a suniyae

    It is not me who is saying this, but it does chime well with my sentiments. This is the start of a Mubarak Begum’s song. SD Burman liked her singing so much that he asked an extra verse to be written in order to show case Mubarak Begum’s talent.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The music director is Salil Choudhury, who, after providing music for Madhumati and getting the Filmfare award for Best Music, went underground as a sympathiser of Naxalites.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am sure you are correct about Salil being the Music Director.

    I was probably thinking of a different song.

    I love Salil’s Music and have his Bengali CD, even though I do not understand any Bangali at all.

    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy , your ears must have vanished into your a r s e , post Madhumati. Salil choudhuri produced innumerable timeless melodies post madhumati.
    The ones I am fond of is CHOTI SI BAAT , which had songs sung by jesudas from your part of india.
    Then there was ANNADATA, Hare kaanch ki churian starring kumud chugani , RAJANIGANDHI , INCREDIBLE ALL FILMS OF BENGALI DIRECTORS
    That he was not that prolific may have something to do with bollywood politics BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY HIS TANGLED MARRIED LIFE

    james Reply:

    Shenoy Sahib
    “The Boot-licking Madhyam”…i.e aked to bend and begin to crawl type of journalism…or latest..Vir Sanghvi – Hindustan Times style of journalism – straight away taken dictation from your masters. So far as coverage of Ramdev movement is concerned, NDTV takes the cake for this title. Massive amount of time given to Digvijay Singh, all the time correspondents harping on RSS an BJP, one loony preaching virtues of Westminister parlimentary system, when Advani was given his press confrence in Chennai, full time they showed ads. It is patently obviuos that NDTV has struck a deal with Government. There is no doubt about that

    I dont understand this harping on BJP/RSS – on some tv channels (other than of course ndtv), i saw Maulana Madani of Deoband on stage with Ram Dev, and speaking in his support. There was some father of some church in Delhi, who spoke in his favor. These loonies on keep harping on RSS/BJP, do they mean that Maulana Madani of Deoband is RSS man??? Or father of some church in Delhi is RSS man??? And now, Supreme Court taking suo motto action on this issue–will these lunatics also called Supreme Court judges RSS/BJP…I hope they do, and then I am sure they would surely be hauled up for contempt

    I understand Mr Shenoy that you are from jounarlist community. Does not this harping on RSS/BJP is mispresentation of facts, in the least, hiding of relevant facts??? Does it not amount to professional misconduct on part of NDTV and Mr Vinod Sharma?? If does, I suppose, there must be some regulatory body which should take some suo motto action NDTV and Vinod Sharma. Their bias is so obvious and clear – it is patent that they are not doing objective reporting – they are mis-reporting. Blatant and brazen way NDTV, Vinod Sharma and others carry out their journalism, it is obvious that they do not have any fear of any regulatory action against them.
    So, what should we do – sufferers of their blanatantly biased journalism??? There must be something more than just switching of channels.

    Regards

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    James,

    Baba Ramdev wears saffron dress, the RSS too has its flag in saffron colour.
    Therefore, Ramdev is an RSS man.

    Baba ramdev teaches yoga, and the RSS too advocates yoga for good health.
    Therefore, Ramdev is an RSS man.

    Anna Hazare didn’t allow any RSS man to come to the dais and hence he is a secular man.
    Baba Ramdev allowed Sadhvi Ritambara to come to his dais.
    Therefore Baba Ramdev Is, according to Bhupinder Chaube, an RSS man.

    Bhinderanwale kept a long beard and Baba Ramdev too keeps a long beard.
    Therefore, according to Sagarika Ghose, Baba Ramdev is the modern day Bhinderanwale!

    Baba Ramdev does shirshaasan
    Jawaharlal Nehru too did shirshaasan.
    Therefore, Nehru is an RSS man (at least till he remained upside down).

    This is the kind of secular prattle we heard on all channels all day long on Sunday.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy Sahib.

    Never mind what the media is saying about the RSS, let’s hear your views.
    There is no doubt that Secular Congress is on the ropes, as far as the corruption issues goes.

    A clear and very attractive opportunity exists for HINDU NATIONALIST to make some political capital out of this.

    With many objectives and outlooks that are common between the RSS and Ramdev, do you seriously believe that RSS would have had no input into this.

    To me this smacks of the Rath Yatra type of political gimmick.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Any more nicknames for the media which is campaigning for the mandbudhi prince who dreamt of 70 ft pits full of bodies ?? :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    after his now hiarious comment about Mayawati’s mass murders and 70′X70′ graves, the friendly media has been “requested” not to come anywhere near Rahul Baba asking for his comments on another Baba, Ramdev, lest he muddies the already muddled party and government’s minds. And, without exception, the entire friendly media has faithfully kept away from even mentioning his name in the last 48hours. This is the kind of boot-licking devotion our media has for the fake Gandhi family.

    And, since Digvinash Singh is doing everything to hasten the “vinash” of the party, my respect for him has gone two and a half times above that of Mani Sankat Silencer Aiyar.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    A kick in the butt at times reforms many… :D

    As we have seen now…

    So I think we need to butt kick the Congress bootlickers,

    So that they bootlick Indians and not the Dig-Vinashes and the Aiyars !!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    An apple a day keeps the doctor away
    a joke a day would many a doctor sway,
    and bring them to this blog straightaway

    A kick in the butt is just desert for the congressi boot-lickers,
    who, but for congress, are no better than rag-pickers,
    kick them, hit them, but they will forever remain boot-lickers.

  • james

    Shenoy Sahib
    “The Boot-licking Madhyam”…aked to bend and begin to crawl type of journalism…or latest..Vir Sanghvi – Hindustan Times style of journalism – straight away taken dictation from your masters. So far as coverage of Ramdev movement is concerned, NDTV takes the cake for this title. Massive amount of time given to Digvijay Singh, all the time correspondents harping on RSS an BJP, one loony preaching virtues of Westminister parlimentary system, when Advani was given his press confrence in Chennai, full time they showed ads. It is patently obviuos that NDTV has struck a deal with Government. There is no doubt about that

    I dont understand this harping on BJP/RSS – on some tv channels (other than of course ndtv), i saw Maulana Madani of Deoband on stage with Ram Dev, and speaking in his support. There was some father of some church in Delhi, who spoke in his favor. These loonies on keep harping on RSS/BJP, do they mean that Maulana Madani of Deoband is RSS man??? Or father of some church in Delhi is RSS man??? And now, Supreme Court taking suo motto action on this issue–will these lunatics also called Supreme Court judges RSS/BJP…I hope they do, and then I am sure they would surely be hauled up for contempt

    I understand Mr Shenoy that you are from jounarlist community. Does not this harping on RSS/BJP is mispresentation of facts, in the least, hiding of relevant facts??? Does it not amount to professional misconduct on part of NDTV and Mr Vinod Sharma?? If does, I suppose, there must be some regulatory body which should take some suo motto action NDTV and Vinod Sharma. Their bias is so obvious and clear – it is patent that they are not doing objective reporting – they are mis-reporting. Blatant and brazen way NDTV, Vinod Sharma and others carry out their journalism, it is obvious that they do not have any fear of any regulatory action against them.
    So, what should we do – sufferers of their blanatantly biased journalism??? There must be something more than just switching of channels.

    Regards

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    What is this Mishraji, you come down from Yorkshire to embassy in London and do not invite me. Next time you please reserve 2 seats at concert for me and my wife- ghazals wah bhai wah.

    Actually reserve 3 seats for us because my wife is vaary fat, you see
    hehe

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    ouch, oye woman, you throw that belun at me one more time and I swear I will upgrade to younegr fitter model
    somebody please send me Baba ramdev’s number- my vottee needs to be booked into his ashram, maybe loose 30-40 kilos weight
    hehe

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D ~~ WHY THE MEDIA AND THE HINDUSTAN TIMES IS OUT OF SYNCH WITH GROUND
    REALITIES ~~~ :D ~~

    Many in the media and NRI’s may not be aware that Ramdev has a solid following of 6-7 crores in India, more than any other single person in India. And these are people who have actually benefited form his Yoga– FREE OF COST by following it on TV.

    He was the most strident voice against the use of soda based colas which cause irreparable damage to health and this movement has caught on worldwide.

    People who have come out of disease would put more faith in him than in say the political leaders and the media guys, all of whom radiate a personal vested interest.

    For example
    – Sonia Mata’s agenda is to put the mandbudhi on to the PM’s seat. What are the Mata’s and YTuvraj’s sources of Income. We are always told that they live of the royalty of two books Nehru wrote!

    – Digvinash Singh’s agenda seems to be power unlimited and he has no know sources of income!

    – Kapil Sibal appears for rich corporates and makes his money

    and so on.

    So whatever the media may say, the COngress will never be able to convince Baba’s followers with all the lies they spill out !!

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  • Ravi

    Mishra Ji.

    Since you have just enjoyed a Ghazal night, allow me to offer a Sher, written by a woman poet. It is a great sher in its own right, but the fact that a woman wrote it gives it some additional poignancy.

    Hotnton pe kabhi unke mera naam bhi aaye,
    Aaye to sahi, bar sar-e-ilzam hi aaye

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    shan Reply:

    @ravi, How about this one,
    Aapke haseen rukh me , aaj naya noor hai
    Mera did machal gaya to mera kya kasoor hai.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani
  • shan

    @Vinod sharma, YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE
    The financial net worth of India’s most powerful and traditionally ruling family (the Nehru-Gandhi political dynasty) to be anywhere between $9.41 billion (Rs 42,345 crore) to $18.66 billion (Rs 83,900 crore). Harvard scholar Yevgenia Albats cited KGB correspondence about payments to Rajiv Gandhi and his family, which had been arranged by Viktor Chebrikov, which shows that KGB chief Viktor Chebrikov sought in writing an “authorization to make payments in US dollars to the family members of Rajiv Gandhi, namely Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Paola Maino, mother of Sonia Gandhi” from the CPSU in December 1985. (Albats. KGB: The State Within a State. Translated from the Russian by Catherine A. Fitzpatrick. 1995. ISBN 1850439958, ISBN 9781850439950. First edition in 1994, ISBN 0374527385, ISBN 9780374

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shaan,

    Vinodji might well say, “yeh ho hi nahin sakta”.
    Reason? Allthrough the fifties, sixties, seventies and also the eighties, Russia was, next to Pakistan and India, the biggest beggar country. Only, instead of asking for alms like India and Pakistan did, besharam ho kar, Russia used to loot its Eastern Europian satellite countries.
    Therefore, Russia wouldn’t have had the kind of money, that too in dollars, that the Gandhis would have charged them.

    In addition, he might also advise: कुछ तो लोग कहेंगे, लोगों का काम है कहना
    छोड़ो बेकार की बातों में कहीं बीत ना जाए रैना.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Lets not double guess what Vinod may or may not say.

    If what Shan has posted is credible because it cites KGB correspondence, then it is a fair question to ask.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ MOhan Ramchandani

    Congrats man !! Your top class joke about the Pakistani Hakim and Pak-shit-stan was posted by me to all on my mailing list. Its been quite a hit and is now circulating the net… :D

    Maybe you will get it on your mail one day….

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy

    A small time fabricator for exporters who would travel on rickshaws in MOradabad… suddenly owns the five star hotels like Hilto along with DLF. All because his name was Vadra. Is it India shining or corrupt shining??? :D

    Poem wanted please !

    PS: Our court jester Digvinash critiscised Ramdev for visiting a 5 star where CONGRESS HAD CALLED HIM. Should he not critscise the owners of 5 stars like Vadra????

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    This small time fabricator and seller of utensils claimed in a Front page interview of TOI that he could win a Lok Sabha election from anywhere in the country.

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  • Ravi

    Political Strategies and Transparent Accounting

    To say that Indian Politicians are corrupt, is akin to saying that the Nazi’s looted Jewish money. Both are true.

    There have been not very many incidents of large scale repatriation of Black Money from Swiss Accounts to the country of Account holders.

    Keeping this in mind, it is very difficult to see this Ramdev initiative outside of vote bank politics.

    It is very fashionable here to perpetually suggest that Congress indulges in minority appeasing in order to shore-up itsMuslim vote bank I have no doubt that there is more than a grain of truth in this statement.

    Equally true is the fact, that BJP/RSS are also prone to political gimmicks whose sole objective is to reaffirm its Conservative Nationalist Hindu vote bank.

    This Ramdev political shenanigan is best understood as a desperate political strategy of an opposition lacking a – loh purush – style charismatic leader.

    Hence the claim by Ramdev, that he is Shiva Ji.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Dear Ravi,
    …There have been not very many incidents of large scale repatriation of Black Money from Swiss Accounts to the country of Account holders. Keeping this in mind, it is very difficult to see this Ramdev initiative outside of vote bank politics….
    Before 1969, there was NO instances of moon-landing/ moon-walking. So?
    Why are we getting diverted to Ramdev, his personality, wealth, Yoga.. etc? Is the issue of black money, billions of dollars worth, serious or not?
    Let us admit the issue exists, it is a serious issue and the money needs to be got back and the guilty punished – if not hanged. Let’s use the existing laws against money laundering, tax evasion etc. Ramdev or not.
    Congress’ minority appeasement is merely a Fashionable suggestion – here (note, nowhere else) while “it is a Fact BJP/RSS are also prone to political gimmicks whose sole objective is to reaffirm its Conservative Nationalist Hindu vote bank.” Wah, Ravi. You certainly have a way with words!
    I contest that Ramdev is merely a front for BJP/ RSS. I think he has his own ambitions. Short term, BJP will gain from the anti-government feeling being engendered by Anna. Baba etc. But, I do not credit BJP or the RSS with the political nous of being able to think through this grand strategy of an anti-corruption movement and electing for these movements being led by proxies.
    As I have said before, it is BJP’s failure to perform its responsibilities as the principal opposition and the general failure of the other opposition parties as well, that is bringing these entrepreneurs to the centre-stage.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    If Ramdev is a single issue protest movement protesting about corruption in high places, then I am with him.

    However, if he is either part of communalists or allows them to take a free ride with him, then I am not.

    As regards black money repatriation, lets bring the money back. It seems like one of those things which is easy said than done.

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    Ashish Reply:

    Dear Ravi,
    show me one man who is just one single issue. Ramdev is, like any of us, a bundle of contradictions. Right now, he seems to have succeeded in focusing the nation’s attention on corruption. That’s his utility to me. I think I have made plain my distaste for Ramdev, the whole package. I am certainly not for him or with him.
    Ramdev’s appeal right now is that he is still not a card-carrying politician; though that could very well change.
    BJP will not be foolish enough to bring him into the party; they are well aware of his ambitions.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I would agree that these incidents are a direct result of the hiatus that currently exists in the BJP leadership struggle.

    I wish they would hurry up. A good opposition is an essential element of a healthy democracy.

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    Shoeb K Reply:

    Ravi-

    It is disingenous to connect Ramdev with RSS or BJP or any other organization other than his own fan following. He teaches Yoga, talks about veg food , India etc and one can stretch yoga = hindu = rss= bjp (you yourself said “nobody can deny Nazis looted jews”)-

    Now political parties will try to take advantage of both for and against.

    What congress did was totally foolish. There is nobody in Congress who ha sthe charisma of of Ramdev. He will get a huge boost; he may even start a national party (which I do not think he will); but he will be a king maker, forcing these ones to follow a reasonably righteous course devoid of shaming corruption and exemplary inefficiencies

    Ashish Reply:

    Ravi,
    re’ BJP, I am not particularly hopeful..

    shan Reply:

    @Ashish, Blogging is one thing , it does not incur taxes, ground reality is another.
    Ravi may have a point , when he says NOT A GREAT DEAL IN PRACTICAL TERMS CAN BE DONE.Swiss are the land of WILLIAM TEL fiercely independent, they are not going to hand over all the cash in a bag. it just doesn’t happen that way. The swiss economy will IMPLODE.
    There are treaties with swiss which cannot be revoked EVEN UNCLE SAM HAVE BEEN HUFFING AND PUFFING , but that’s about it. Only way things move in this world is if THE VICTIM IS A JEW.

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    Observer Reply:

    Finally we have seen the true colors of shan, the Pakistani wolf under Bengali sheep skin, along with CQs.

    The Nazis, Hindu secularist, and Islamic fundamentalists are different heads of same hydra. It’s key characteristics is Anti- paganism, anti-Hinduism-Buddhism and last but not least Anti-Semitism..

    There is an interesting phenomenon of large number of anti-Semites among among Jewish community, similarly there are large number of anti-Hindus among Hindu community.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Praveen Saxena

    The BJP and the opposition are too decent. In case they dig up this one they will discover a can of worms… sorry a sea of worms !!

    A big builder called BPTP of NOrth India would claim that he had Mr Rober t as an investor. And the rupmour still goes around rel estate circles that this is true…

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Shaan,

    you said, “@Shenoy , your ears must have vanished into your a r s e , post Madhumati. Salil choudhuri produced innumerable timeless melodies post madhumati.
    The ones I am fond of is CHOTI SI BAAT , which had songs sung by jesudas from your part of india.
    Then there was ANNADATA, Hare kaanch ki churian starring kumud chugani , RAJANIGANDHI , INCREDIBLE ALL FILMS OF BENGALI DIRECTORS
    That he was not that prolific may have something to do with bollywood politics BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY HIS TANGLED MARRIED LIFE”

    Shaan Babu, now hear what Salilda had to say about himself:

    “No other manuscripts of the plays written during those years are with me.
    During those years I was in the underground, almost for four years I roamed among the Peasants. I could not publish my plays at that time for no publisher would dare to publish them. And most of those plays were banned anyway. So the dramatic groups had to use the manuscripts to stage those plays. I have no idea where those manuscripts are after I came back from the underground….”.

    Shaan Babu,

    Balwinderji said, in a recent post, “SHAN BABU, please do shine these rays up your own backside first, everyone says your brain is tucked near there somewhere,……..he, he, he

    Most aptly described, about the location of your grey matter and what it needs. I couldn’t have put it more brightly, even with a search light.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    HEHE NICE ONE shenoy
    there will now be a vote- who is better at demolishing dr shan- SHENOY OR SARDAR SIR BALWINDER

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    you have demolished this upstart Shaan’s pretensions to being always right with history, geography, music, medicine, aero-dynamics and what-have-you. Appke saath khoon maaf. I will always remain your pankha.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Kis pagal ke pankhe ban rahe ho…

    shan Reply:

    @Shenoy, next time try teaching bengalee to me , like you ascribed the poetry to aurobindo , it is like saying david dhawan was a test cricket player. The period salil choudhuri is talking about is when he was a member of IPTA , along with Balraj sahni, kaifi azmi and the lot.
    They were left wing radicals probably CPI, working for the peasants around 1955.
    Naxalite movement started around 1968.
    Now you can understand why I asked that pertinent question

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    SHAN SAYS- “@Shenoy , your ears must have vanished into your a r s e ,……
    Yeh nahi sudhar sakta, yeh shanhe not only does abuse but also is wrong most of the time
    ley chutkula sun

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    I just saw mishraji whamming BOOM BOOM canons up Dr Shan’s arse, on saturday – wah sirji, never saw this tandava roop of yours

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    SHAN AND VEGETARIANISM
    ——————————-
    This weekend I went to meet the Bangladsh High Commission.
    I said- ‘your cricket team is pathetic, and I Sardar Sir Balwinder will cure all. Just look at your players- look so thin and scrawny’
    I turned to their ambassador and said- ‘in fact look at all of you, you all look so patla-dubla.’
    They wrung their hands and wept. And they said to me- ‘Sardar saab, you are our messiah, pl help us’

    ‘Not to worry, I said, I have Dr SHAN’S prescription. you must eat non veg’
    THERE WAS SILENCE IN THE ROOM. The bhookha bangalees all stared at me.
    Then their ambassador spoke- ‘We eat chicken. and beef, and meat . EVERYDAY.’
    ——————–THEY THREW me out on the street. THANK YOU DR SHAN- your intellect is dazzling

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Bakwaasbaazi at its best.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    rajeev with an eeekh, I seem to have a fan following, you seem lonely out here with just anti Islamic abuse of the most filthy variety your taquiya kalaam

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    shan Reply:

    @Balls winder , the ones who are your fan NEED THEIR HEAD EXAMINED, most likey their skull make the sound of a TABLA when stroked

    Rajeev Reply:

    All your fans are Chutium-sulphate like you…I don’t need a gang to save me…You go in depression everytime Shan puts bamboo ups yours…
    You can not discuss anything because tumhara UPAR KA MAALA KHALI HAI…

  • http://- Rajeev

    http://khabar.ndtv.com/LiveVideo.aspx?id=201774

    Mahatma Gandhi’s goondas at work..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Reminds me of a Maulvi during Lal Masjid raid who tried escaping in Burqa and Islamic panties.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    We all know what kind of negotiations were going on…Chinese forced pakistani army to attack a MOSQUE..I am pretty sure you pakistanis will consume PORK if chinese ask you to…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    What about you pitaji Osama who was hiding behind his 29 year old wife?

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy, Rajeev, Praveen and everyone

    Did anyone notice that Tajinder the TUR-D has improved his typing skills and the quality of his grammer. It is obvious that the ISI has now employed two or more people to use the same name to post matter which is offenseive to Hindu and Indian sensibilites.

    Seems that the whacking we gave to TUR-DS has resulted in some improvement in the ISI propoganda standards :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sadly, it has brought about no improvements in your juvenile behaviour, you seem to be still off your TROLLY

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    Ravi Reply:

    :) ~:)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    It only means that ISI has received its much delayed dole/bheek from the US.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Well, tajender and ravi are the same people–One comes across sophisticated, the other one crude. This is another diabolical “two faced” ploy of ISI

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Frankly speaking, we don’t have to discuss these two Changu-Mangu anymore as they have been exposed and identified by everyone. Let us allow them to post their propaganda because we need to know what other side thinks. They come from country where there is no freedom. Let them enjoy some freedom here…We should be large hearted…Pakistani hein to kya hua, Insaan-Jaanwar hybrid to hein..

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    rajeev’s hatred of baba ramdev, and his comparison of the baba with Lal mosque mullah, is inexplicable to me

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    Ravi Reply:

    For comparison, read this.

    उन्होंने पुलिस से बचने के लिए महिलाओं के कपड़े पहन लिए थे।

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    Rajeev Reply:

    But this action is comparable with Maulvis trying to escape in Burqa…I see no difference.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I even call SGPC Dhongis…

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  • vijay Kumar

    @ Raju

    You might be right ! Wonder why the ISI is wasting time here, when they should be killing jehadis at home !

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I can now safely say that Tajender makes far better contribution than lazy fool Balwinder.
    Ravi, I’d love to read your abuses for Hindus rather than read unadulterated Bakwaas from Balwinder.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Ravi

    As far I am concerened… Ravi if u put on any garb and secretly try to hurt Hindu feelings… U will be turdified :D

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    I am with you. No hidden agenda. people can not hide behind high sounding morality and political correctness. India is predominantly hindu, and we will not allow it to be diluted. This is the last bastion of hinduism. Yes Sir, HINDUISM. Period. In the name of false,( not the correct definition )secularism, our corrupt and misguided politicians/ liberals are raping this country. No more.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Thank u Pankaj

    I think we need to take of this nakab of Tajendar Tur-d and Ravi Superturd if they dont behave properly in Indian sites…

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Ravi

    If you are decent here and dont carry a hidden agenda of hurting India or hindus… you will flourish here. Otherwise Vijay Kumar will Turdifry you along with Turdinder :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    You scare me so much.

    You are the communal Idiot here.

    I care less than two hoots as to what you think of me or say about me.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Ravi

    Look into youir eyes Ravi. Are you also Mootandar Hussain Tur-d? If you are not then remember Vijay idhar communal harmony ki baat karta hai.

    If you are a man, reveal your true religion and then list out ten ways you can improve how your religion should interact with other religoins in a multireligious country.

    Remember any body with a secret agenda of hate is trudified by Vijay :D :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay ko Communal Harmony ka matlab hi nahin aata. Use to sirf Hindu Supermists ka he matlab maloom hai.

  • shan

    @Shenoy, a cut and paste about salil chowdhury
    Shortly after his involvement in the Peasant Movement, he joined the Indian Peoples Theatre Association (IPTA). The purpose of this theatre was to raise the political consciousness of the common people. These theatres went from village to village and performed plays that revolved around the themes of British imperialism, various social iniquities, and the growing freedom struggle.

    This forced Salil Chowdhury to go underground; for nearly four years he traveled around surreptitiously with the IPTA. Initially he joined as a flute player, but later he started to write songs. He lived among the peasants, and spent his time writing, composing, and performing. His works were by and large banned, so it was impossible to get any mainstream publisher to publish his plays or poetry. A large number of his works from this period have disappeared

    Mujhko yaro maaf kurna mai nashey mein hoon

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Mootandar Hussain tur-d

    I think u should tell your bade paaji that I will stop calling you Tur-d and rav also a tur-d if you post under your real names and come here to admire the greatness of India and its vision for all cultures and religions. :D

    You and Ravi should also take on Pak-shit -stan even though it may be your motherland. we need to crucify it and reduce it to dust incase it does not respect humanity :D

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Tur-d Tajendar and Superturd fake ravi

    Vijay Kumar;s father had to leave his house in Sialkot when you communal guys fathers attacked it. Today you will be turdified to go to Sialkot and clean turds at Kothi no 16, Thum saale coward aur communal ho.

    Andar se neech. Uppar se tur-d :D :D

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just so you know.

    My parents also had to leave Sialkot and settle in Delhi, prcisely because of Communla Thugs, Hindu supermists like you.

    Now put that in your hooka and smoke it.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    Met with Baba Ramdev in North America. Huge following here. Not impressed with him. This guy can not be entrusted with complexities of governance. But, that is not the question. He has raised certain points. UPA was at the helm of affairs since last so many years and before that congress was in power. This Swiss bank accounts and financial corruption is going on since decades. Pygmies have manipulated themselves in the power and sucking this country dry. In the name of democracy, every body has a free run and taking pot shot at power. No commitment, No Auquat, just a lust for power and how to make money.

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  • Anonymous

    is this article is true or only posted for the sake blackening a paper

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  • Anonymous

    Again a paid blog but this time in order to criticize BJP-Shiv Sena, she criticizes UNNAMED congress politician, CM, Actress but when it comes to BJP-Sena, she takes NAMES.

    These kind of journos are the one who sleep with politicians and go around teaching others morality.

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    Yogesh Laxman Raut Reply:

    Totally Agree with you RajeevS

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    Not fair, Sujataji, not to give a couple of hints about the identity of the couple caught coupling. Have narrowed down the identity of the minister quite closely but the actress remains a mystery.

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  • Anonymous

    Raj,
    I agree, my statement is not original but haven’t you noticed that most of the HT journos write same thing with basic underlying theme supporting Congress and slamming opposition.

    I am just asking why HT journos are giving Congress especially the dynasty such a long rope.

    I hope you should concentrate more on message. I am not going to say same thing in 100 ways just to entertain people like you.

    As far as BJP is concerned, they will never get a positive PR from current media because they lack money power, padamsris etc. to buy these journalists.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    actually, the HT journos, pro-congress as they are, are jeoulous of these politicos who can and do indulge in all kinds of sexual games to flaunt their “mardangi”, while the yuvraj, ostensibly very eligible, goes miles away when it comes to even touching any girl’s hand.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    The minister who was often looking up at the camera furtively – it seems he willed the TV Cameraman to catch him in the act of doing a juvenile crime on the Assembly’s floor. May be he was bribed enough by the ruling group to do the needful so that the Karnataka CM and other BJP seniors get the opportunity to remove Yeddy’s men from power. In politics, everything is possible – otherwise no minister could be so careless to lose his job & reputation while behaving like a juvenile delinquent.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=709128486 Yogesh Laxman Raut

    This is what is called Paid.Yellow journalism. You said neither the Shiv Sena nor the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena’s Raj Thackeray will dare risk the voters’ wrath so close to polling day on February 16. and right after this sentence you are saying Raj never opposed valentine’s day after split from SS, what kind of hypocritical this is? I dont understand what is the problem with Hindi and English journos when it comes with Raj Thackeray. Go to his rallies and see what kind of supports he gets from the youth. study his speeches. The way Raj pulls the crowd, not a single leader including Rahul gandhi can even touch the number even if he pays 100rs per head. Stop being hypocrite, make your facts right and then start BLOGGING with pure heart and pure mind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    only reason all these pseudo intellectuals do not like raj, is they do not have gandhi tail, in this country leaders can do any thing and get away with it by having that tail, even in this article she never questioned actions of congress men in depicting delinquents photos in obnoxious way, is she supporting gandhian moral police, after all the three idiots acts on par with indisciplined students caught watching third rate cine magazine during class hours, they should be punished but should not be ostracized

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    Yogesh Laxman Raut Reply:

    Agree with you Kosy2

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kanikadhupar Kanika Dhupar

    For me its, the Anne of Green Gable Series…
    Such good days

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  • Salin Gunapalan

    What’s the difference between a Bangladeshi who comes looking for employment and a Nepali?
    I can answer that question better.
    one comes at peace , secures employment & does not form a group, trying to sabotage the country.The other comes in ,forms a group, bargains with local
    leaders ,pressurise policy making ,finally try & take over the government and force others to follow their customs and traditions.

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  • Anonymous

    Agreed. The Government of India should get out of its paralysis.

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  • Rohit

    We should accept the Pakistani Hindus as it is well known that they are discriminated kidnapped and Hindu girls are sexually exploited. So we should accept. But if it comes to accepting Muslim refuge then the answer is no. Because Muslim have shown that once they get into foreign countries they tend to change the local laws to their suitability. Muslim do have problem to co-exist peacefully with non Muslim. We already have this problem why make it bigger by accepting Muslim refuge. We can learn from the problem European and American are facing in regard to Muslim population in their country.

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  • XXX4774 ggg

    The basis of this article is wrong. The muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh CHOOSE partition. So they or their descendants have ZERO right to enter India. All non muslims in these 2 areas must be welcomed to India because they are the victims of these 2 nations breaking away. And as for equating Nepalese and Burmese muslims. Always remember that India was broken by muslims who did not want to live with HIndus. Should we welcome more muslims to do the same in future?

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  • XXX4774 ggg

    HIndu Pakistanis are a victim of partition. Who cares about Burmese muslims. What do they have to do with India?

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  • Mazi

    India should make every effort to bring back Pak – Hindus who were left behind during partition and send an equal number of Muslims
    to Pak. This way it would stay as bilateral. I can imagine Pak – Hindus turmoil in that country where there is no law and order and there life is at risk
    by muslims

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    Judge Stern Reply:

    I have known first hand in Bangladesh where even the so-called “learned” judges argue that the Muslims’ prophet Muhammad of 37 years married a girl of eight years of age and based on that example the abducted 13-14 years old Hindu girl’s marriage to the Muslims of 30-40 years with forced conversion to Islam is valid within the purview of the Islamic sharia. The Hindu girls’ parents then are subjected to torture and tyranny! This is the predicament Gandhi & Nehru gave the Hindus in Muslim Pakistan with their foresight and vision and great leadership! Muslims cannot live with people of other faiths as their barbarian doctrines have made sure they remain restless until every single peace-loving individual is forcefully converted into Islam! This mode of operations has not changed in Bangladesh, Pakistan or anywhere in the world. They lie low when they are minorities but extremely aggressive when in majority.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Please get the facts straight, Holy Prophet Mohammad was 52 years old when he consummated his “marriage” to the child bride Aisha.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/bunts.bhatia Bunts Bhatia

    every thing in india is a nonsense-58000 thousand banglas go missing and so many illegal banglas living in india in slums every where, and now this PAK HINDUS —-THIS IS TO MUCH TO DIGEST-OUR POLITICIANS R RAPING OUR COUNTRY-I THINK VERY SOON WE WILL HAVE A PM FROM SLUMS,SECURITY PEOPLE WILL BE ALSO FROM SLUMS-SHAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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  • Anonymous

    India can offer safe haven to Pakistani Hindus and Ahmadiayyas — another persecuted minority of Pakistan– so as to retain our secular credentials. Unfortunately, once this policy becomes public, the persecution will become even worse, as Pakistanis fundos will try to get rid of their unwanted minorities.

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  • judge.stern

    The follies of Gandhi, Nehru and the Congress now come in full circles. These so-called leaders only let down the Hindus of the sub-continent due to their overly Muslim-love and apathy of the fragmented Hindu society. To ensure the complete subjugation of the Hindus in India, caste politics has been deeply entrenched so that they would never ever turn their eyes on anything else. Meanwhile India’s islamization would rapidly move on to the point of no return! The islamic India is not too far off!

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  • Lion of Gir

    Why is this ridiculous (and disgraced) man still allowed to write for a respectable publication like the Hindustan Times?

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  • Sumit Bose

    Mr Vir ‘Dalal’ Sanghvi, The “difficult choice” is a smoke-screen foisted upon Indians by the legions of Pseudo-secularists. Please get it very well into that thick corrupt skull of yours: For the 1946 Constituent Assembly election held by the British Crown under Separate Electorates, 89.6% of the Muslims voted the Muslim League into a thumping majority, whose single point agenda was a separate nation called Pakistan. The Muslims of United India were marginally over 24% of the population in the 1941 census and because of the astute Barristers who were forwarding their case, they were able to wrangle 30% of United India’s land mass. India had the double tragedy of having two totally failed Barristers who were forwarding our brief, no marks for guessing who these “high and mighty” were; they were BapuJi and Chacha Nehru. They could easily have sought a partition of Sindh from West Pakistan, obtained Chittagong and Rajshahi districts from the East Pakistan side, these both were over-whelmingly Hindu majority districts, but one of these mighty giants went on a “maun vrat” at that crucial juncture and the other went on to curry favour for his imagined grand-standing to become a “Hamlet in the world stage”! As if, this serious lapse was not enough, Sylhet district in Assam (with productive tea-estates) was in India was virtually “gifted” away in 1949 to Pakistan.
    Now Dr Ambedkar was resoloute that the transfer of population had to go hand in hand with the transfer of land and assets, but he was shouted down by our beloved Chacha Nehru and his boot-lickers. ( That’s right Boot-licking in the Congress started in real earnest right at the onset of transfer of power). Dr Ambedkar was no “rabidly communal RSS chaddiwala” he was a staunch opponent of Hindu society, but he had studied Islam and had noted the political power that was handed to the Muslim League by muslims even from MP, Orissa,Tamil Nadu and even Kerala.
    Pakistan/Bangladesh has no Pseudo-secularists as yourself, Barkha, Padgaonkar, Rajdeep etc etc to bring to the mainstream the plight of Hindus in Pakistan or Bangladesh. They are left totally at the mercy of Islamic nutheads that have overrun Pakistan and Bangladesh If your family were from the other side of the border, you would never write this mischievous article, even though you may have been a faithful “dalal’ of the Pseudo-secularists for decades.

    Besides those muslims that handed the mandate to Muslim League for chopping the arms of United India, chose to stay back and create problems in India, getting into continuous acts of rampant rioting and vandalism at the slightest pretexts over the decades. Does that never strike you that atleast this one point of Dr Ambedkar would have been in the best interests of both the entities that emerged from the partition.

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  • randhawa harbans singh

    Two nation theory was invented by short sighted politicians like Jinnaha who thought that they cannot grab absolute political power.we inthe villages had never felt such things and were living peacefully. people had well adjusted to each others culture.In punjab there was secular govt headaed by sir khizar hayat khan. they were against divididing onreligious linea . nwfp was under khan brothers influence and never wanted partition on religious grounds.same remarks apply to sindh.still our leaders accepted partitionand that too against gandhis wishes.But the tragedy is that while pakistan turned out or killed non muslims ,India allowed to continue people who believed in two nation theory mostly in metropolitan cities.some people are still not happy in Indiaand are creating communal trouble.It may be desrable to identify such people and exchanged with pakistan hindues who want to come to India.But perhaps some political parties may not like this due to vote bank politics.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ranita-Ray/100001883604751 Ranita Ray

    Where is the comparison between between Pak Hindus who came as refugees to save their lives and ILLEGAL bangladeshis who are not here are refugee but have come for commercial reasons and are known to take to crime in various cities and associate with muslim terror groups. This land is HINDUSTAN and all hindus are welcome. Who is the govt to decide? We the people will decide.

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  • Hindu

    Not Possible. Technical problem. You cannot reverse circumcision of penis. Once you become Muslim and have circumcision done, you can’t go back…. lol…. Just having fun but point to be noted!

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  • india

    it is good for politicians not for public as they will eat lot of money in this deal already sonia must have had its cut so why public should be bothered when they are struggling with people in there own country.

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  • sam

    yor sucking loser, man grow up, your hatred shows towards the people of Gujarat and NaMo, man please go and make a living in Pakistan, India does not need you.

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  • Indian

    Every HITLER has his day. Period

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  • Anonymous

    How and why did Jehadi journalist Zia Haq missed Akbarudding episode? Is the deliberate or oversight? The answer is obvious. Our media is now infilterated by terrorists pretending to be journalists.

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    Impi Reply:

    That’s exactly it. Modi and Akbaruddin are two sides of the same dumb rightwing coin.

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    raj Reply:

    a stupid n uncalled comment by impi………… there is no comparison…infact Modi cannot b compared with a mindless demon like owaisi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s a muslim apologist in you speaking.

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    Impi Reply:

    Nope. Just the truth. Look at their career graphs and speeches.

  • pankaj#1

    Last Friday, at Modi’s ritzy investor carnival, Ambani publicly professed that Modi’s birth in 1950 was an event equal in importance to Mahatma Gandhi’s in 1869. Greatness was never this small and flattery never so daring.
    Zia, My child, have you forgotten, a fellow Assamese, immortal words: India is Indira and Indira is India: Grow up. intellectually, you are a pigmy. you just wear that victimhood. Can you engage with me?? I will show you the mirror.

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  • kanishka

    Zia you are acting like a Jehadi with rabid anti-Hinduism. You have no idea that Gujarat today is the largest employer in India. Every month more than 40,000 skilled and non-skilled labor force migrates to Gujarat for job opportunity from states like Bihar, UP, Rajsthan, Odisha, WB, NE states and even Maharashtra. All are welcome with open arms and live their amicably while enjoying the fruits of Modi’s Gujarat is developing every year. Modi has not declared that Gujarat is a developed state; it is still developing and has long way to go but it is NOT Somalia. It is much better managed than your model states like WB, UP, Kerala or many other states run by UPA.

    Based on per capita, Gujarat state contributes the largest money in the central government in the form of Excise, Customs, Income tax and other fees which exceed rs 60,000 crores in 2010-11 and numbers increasing on daily basis. This money is used by the UPA government to susidise J&K, UP and WB states while giving less to Gujarat. This is the miracle of Modi. This is in addition to the salaries that migrants sent to their native places. Many of Gujarat statics are skewed by the constant migrant workers majority of whom are poor and do not want to spend in the state where they make money.

    How many migrate to Kerala? Keralites are spread all over in search of jobs. The development starts step by step starting with peace, development of infrastructure (roads, power and skilled labor), good governance, corruption free system, willingness of indusustry to establish big units followed by meduim and small scale industries, education institutes, etc. It does not happen otherway round as Jehadis like you think. Once there is enough income to spread, people would spend on health and other social indicators.

    Another point I would like to mention that there is an ANTI-MODI industry which has fudged many statistics to feed pseudo-secularist and jehadis like you. So take a chill pill and talk about OWAISI BROTHER and stop villifying Modi and Gujarat. You have been proven wrong and bigot many time before on the issue of MODI.

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  • Aarti

    Well in most of Muslim world, when Muslims had a chance to elect a government after decades of dictatorship, their choice was Islamists like Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Is Modi worse than Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas that openly calls for genocide of Jews and second class status for non-Muslims… etc?

    Would Muslims in India prefer Muslims are treated they way they treated native Hindus in Kashmir?

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  • Arun Kumar

    Such morons will never alter their mindset, which is stuck in the 7th century. That is the time when a complete totalitarian ideology was born, so the less Mr Haq talks about totalitarianism, the better. As regards the progress, the state is making, it needs no certification from such sceptics, who peddle outdated statistics. I suggest he read Bibek Debroy’s latest treatise on Gujarat and its development story. Mr Haq, you can choose to remain in an Ostrich mode, if you wish, but the world is passing you bye.

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  • prem

    lets have look at Modi “ he has a big mouth on him but no Idea what he taking about he model his self on the Nazis, dose he not know the Nazi were most blood thirsty people in Europe. they murdered million and millions of Israelis, they gassed them? they started the second world war.

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  • ge

    Modi is a low life murderer

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    Pakko Reply:

    stop looking into the mirror …. we are not talking about you here. ;-)

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  • Babu

    HindustanTimes is run by pakistani terrorists. This article is one of the best evidence. Just the mere tone of the article makes me puke. Keep barking and the day will soon come when you are put in place.

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  • TRUTH

    MODITVA MODITVA MODITVA….AND JUSTICE FOR BHARAT MATA….THE REST, LIKE THIS “JOURNALIST” DON’T EVEN EXIST.

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  • Pradeep Tumati

    The author should explain what India is paying now?… remember, India went in the way the author aspires for the past 60 yrs and achieved nothing and now, when Modi is trying to make a change, he is being compared to Hitler.

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  • Rahul

    Thanks Zia ul Haq (or whatever), I’m rooting for for Modi. Had enough of your Pakistani bro Mickey Mouse Singh.

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  • zia haq

    The grapes are so extremely sour that we have no recourse, but to resort to lies. lies amd more lies – like our Maha Mad taught us 1400 years ago.

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    zia haq Reply:

    . …and Maha Mad conveniently formulated it as “taqiyya”.

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  • K.C.sekhar

    OK sir agreed . Gujarat is bad – most backward state – and the people there are dumb – in fact it is very very bad and most inconvenient as well as it is very dangerous to live in Gujarat. One does not know how people live in such conditions that can be compared to Uganda as compared to other states which resemble the rich Texas or California in US.

    All the industrialists who come to the states are dumb and foolish and they are wasting their precious money which they got from their parents by investing in Gujarat. Unfortunately almost all the industrialists fall in this category – even Tata – who has taken over foreign companies in their country.

    what a shame – you see the Gujaratis in this state live their life in darkness unlike other states in India – no electricity – no power and live in medieval times.

    Very good analysis. let us all urge people to leave Gujarat.

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    aryan Reply:

    ha ha ha ha …………… i feel pity on the IQ level of such generalist…. i wonder whether they have any brain or not

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Varadaraj/1243167347 Tony Varadaraj

    Last I heard, Ratan Tata, Godrej and many others who attended the summit and are singing Modi’s praises are Parsees who practiced the Zoroastrian faith that was decimated in their home country of Persia by, you guessed it, Muslims. It was Hindus who welcomed them with open arms and never forced them to give up their religion. There are many, many industrious non-Muslims and Muslims like the Bohras who are benefiting from the Gujarat experiment that puts industrialization, infrastructure, development in the forefront to achieve prosperity rather than the utterly failed policy of re-distributing the economic pie through electoral maths based on caste, religion etc.. These very same Muslims would be blown to bits like the Hazaras in the land of the pure. But take it from a Muslim crab to turn it into a Hindu hate-fest in disguise. Muslim extremists have learned the art of Goebbelsian propaganda very well to use any and every method, including the pretense of “oppression” if their obsession to make their ideology dominant is thwarted like it has been in Gujarat.

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  • Dr.V.Mahadevan

    HT has in its stables horses like this author. Obviously he cannot stomach the appreciation showered on Modi by the industrial elite of India, How to denigrate and downgrade the same ? Development is not the be all and end all of lifeTHe unholy partnership of nationalism and . religious fundamentalism is what has propelled many cultures, but our author has only Nazi Germany in mind and ipso facto Modi is a Hindu HITLER!!Mind you similar idiots have in the past derided the Hindu rate of growth in India !The author wiill find it difficult to point to any Islamic regime which has developed without allowing its natural resources being exploited by the West. Poor in resources and the Islamic countries are prone to dictatorship and the richer ones are dependent upon slave labour..Clearly the desire to make Islam the central force in the world has been stymied by historical factors. Reversing them by force is one cause of terrorism which is funded by rich Islamic dictatorships.Muslims in India are a restless lot for in their case there is a nostalgic desire for times past when Islamic rule prevailed here.That the British created one Islamic state when they left, which divided itself in two, is not consolation enough as both have become failed entities. Animosity and hatred of India is the driving force in Pakistan and acquiring more living space is the motivation in Bangladesh.In the middle India is doing relatively well despite the many problems ,,some created by our neighbors is cause for heartburn, for our ‘friends’..

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Varadaraj/1243167347 Tony Varadaraj

    On another note, I remember Indian socialists of the ’60’s and ’70’s who wanted every private industry in India to be nationalized (a policy that nearly bankrupted India in the early ’90s) holding their noses at the emerging South-East Asian economies like Singapore, Taiwan, Hong-Kong etc. as practicing screw-driver technology of just assembling things for the rich West. Today those countries have moved into the first world and India is now looking up to their story as a model for growth. Even forgetting the obvious “oh-we-poor-Muslims-are-so-oppressed-in-India-by-evil-Hindus” slant of this article, this is similar attempt to pull down anyone who is actually leading so that those who are incapable of leading but want all the fruits of leadership continue to prosper in India.

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  • sanjay vikram

    agreed….she should ask this question from Sonia and her congress party…who has ruled this country for almost 50 years…..they had and have all the inpowers..to change this nation for better…..why ppl like Zia have problems with the concept of hindu and hindutva…this is comedy and farce in India ..when I say I am hindu and believe Hindutva is being dubbed as communal

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    aryan Reply:

    No need too feel ashamed of that………..the more mindless owaisi speak …the more n rigid we will become…………. I always considered myself as Indian first n everything last……………but now I have to change this attitude….. Let me remind myself that I am Indian n Hindu…. n proud to be that………….. I am happy that I am not any convert (by fear from gulf looters) unlike many of convert mindless owaisis who r spreading the hatred in our beloved country without realising that their history doesnot begin 1400 years ago……. n time has come to remind these mindless convert that learn from the mistakes which their forefathers commited by converting out of fear from gulf looters n recall their trueself

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  • sanjay vikram

    Not sure what prompts Shobhana Bhartiya and her joker editor _ Vir Sanvghi to allow traitors like Zia to publish her blog in “”HINDUSTAN TIMES”"…

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  • Ankit

    I was hoping Zia will follow up on the Owaisi episode this time. It was an opportune moment to denounce his hate speech in no uncertain terms- to tell us he does not believe in insulting Lord Ram or Hindus- and to make a case for why people like Owaisi should be marginalized in the Indian society. However, Zia is on his usual rant.

    This is revealing, because it tell me Zia is not about better community relations. In fact people like him are more dangerous than Owaisi, because their hatred in cloaked int the sophistication of English columns and blogs.

    I hope the youngsters of our country can see people like Zia for who they really are.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    When so many of our industrialists are singing praises of Narender Modi, surely Modi must have done something worthwhile to earn such accolades. My problem with Modi is regarding the way he opted for to grab power – it was a very sinister plot indeed. He sacrificed the lives of Hindu women in that train at Godhra through a mercenary mob; then, within no time (as it was all pre-planned) attacks on Muslims took place in a very organized manner. This type of large scale and wide spread murder established Narender Modi as a champion of Hindus. With the BJP in power at the state and center in 2002, every aspect of the pogrom was minutely stage-managed, with all the requisite cover-ups in place. Dawood Ibrahim does the same thing too; he is ruthless in all executions and as a businessman – legal, illegal, legimate or illegimate they are basically businesses – he is more efficient than Ambani, Tata or Birla. The issue therefore boils down to that age-old question : whether end justifies the means – that is the big moral, ethical question facing us all.

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    Tony Varadaraj Reply:

    Over 45,000 Muslims have been blown to bits in the land of the pure over the last decade to make it even purer most of it with the connivance of authority. Just two days ago, over a hundred Hazaras were sent to kingdom come in Quetta and their kith and kin are even willing to commit the sacrilege of not burying their dead according to Islamic rights to seek justice. And yet, the only hate you can pour is about a fraction of it that happened 10 years ago that was instigated by the same kind of Muslim hatred that does not overflow like next door because it is kept in check by authority. Go shed a few of your crocodile tears across the border; maybe they’ll serve some useful purpose.

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    Indian Reply:

    i feel pity on ur IQ level……………. u don’t want to digest the fact that muslims can also do the train burning episode….. u don’t accept the fact that muslims looters from gulf destroyed so so many temples and looted crore of property from our country…….. Infact u may not b digesting the fact that ur forfathers might have been converted to islam due to fear of death from muslims looters of gulf…………….Recall ur history …. it is not just 1400 years old but millions of years…. n feel pride in that history which is millions of years

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Varadaraj/1243167347 Tony Varadaraj

    An article in 2011 about the man who supposedly hates Muslims. I am guessing that the Bohras are persona non-grata in the eyes of their brethren who are instigating such hatred not only in the sub-continent but around the world. It just goes to prove that there is no contempt towards Muslims but it is towards those Muslims who cannot live peacefully not only amongst non-Muslims but those that they think are not Muslims in the first place:

    Chief minister seeks bigger role of Bohras in Gujarat development
    Published: Sunday, Feb 20, 2011, 15:30 IST
    By DNA Correspondent | Place: Ahmedabad | Agency: DNA

    If, ‘He came, he spoke and he conquered’ can sum up the one-and-a-half hours that he spent at the Burhani Expo, chief minister Narendra Modi did a Caesar on Saturday morning.

    Members of the Dawoodi Bohra community participating in the event from across the country as well as the globe seemed very impressed with Modi after he finished his 20-minute speech. In between showering praises on spiritual leader Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb, Modi spoke at length on how the Bohra community had contributed to the state’s growth and appealed them to continue doing so.

    While saying that development was the only answer to all social ills, he urged
    Bohras to play a bigger role in the state’s development.

    The two-day expo is a trade exhibition of Dawoodi Bohra community, the first
    of its kind in the country where more than 150 exhibitors from various industries are taking part.

    Modi began his speech by praising the Bohras who he said have brought a good name to Gujarat from every place they have been to. Describing Syedna Saheb as a karmasheel person the CM said that the community has been fortunate enough to get Saheb’s blessings and good wishes every year.

    “Today Vibrant Gujarat Summit has become a big event but few people know that first Vibrant Gujarat Summit in 2003 had started off in Surat with Syedna Saheb’s
    blessings,” Modi said.

    Earlier, Saheb’s son Huzefa Saheb praised Modi for taking Gujarat on the fast track of progress. He asked the Bohras to be a part of the state’s development and that the Burhani Expo will strengthen the community links. This will serve as a platform for
    Bohras to grow.

    Textiles, chemicals, hardware, pharma, machine tools, construction, glass, metal and jewellery are some of the sectors which were presented at the expo.

    More than 2,000 Bohra community members were rapt in attention as Modi delivered his speech, and frequently lauded the CM’s words. This, even though, most of them had to remain standing, on account of limited seating arrangement.

    Modi said that Syedna Saheb’s 100th birthday (on March 25 as per Islamic calendar) was being celebrated in the state’s Golden Jubilee Year.

    He said that Syedna Saheb was turning 100, and he had requested him to remain in Gujarat for his birth centenary celebrations.

    The CM praised the importance Dawoodi Bohra community had laid on education. He noted that while Mahatma Gandhi established Gujarat Vidyapith in 1930, Syedna Saheb’s father had established Arabic University in Surat long before that in 1920 itself.

    He praised the community for having been able to keep itself away from various ills, and attributed it to the spiritual guidance provided by Syedna Saheb. He said that the Bohras, while being open to change, had managed to retain their culture and preserve the Gujarati language.

    He said the community had vigorously taken up the task of building check-dams in the state. He urged Bohra community women to educate pregnant women about the importance of proper nutrition to prevent malnutrition among them. Modi also released a souvenir of the Expo at the end of his speech.

    It was announced that Burhani Foundation India would distribute 52,000 bird feeders on March 6 to protect sparrows and other small birds which were on the verge of extinction. He also took a round of the stalls showing keen interest in the businesses exhibited.

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    Faulitics Reply:

    But Zia wouldn’t consider bohras as Muslims but heretics to be in line with his ummah.

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    Tony Varadaraj Reply:

    Indeed, when you consider what the Hazaras, Shias, Ahmediyyas and others are going through in Pakistan having to face the threat of being blown up by the hundreds, the Bohras wouldn’t stand a chance at the hands of the jihadis if they are not protected by the rule of law in India.

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    Tony Varadaraj Reply:

    Indeed, when you consider what the Hazaras, Shias, Ahmediyyas and others are going through in Pakistan having to face the threat of being blown up by the hundreds, the Bohras wouldn’t stand a chance at the hands of the jihadis if they are not protected by the rule of law in India.

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  • Raghavendra

    Mia Zia Haq what the hell you mean by a MYSTERIOUS FIRE in that train in GODHRA?

    you dont want to blame MUSLIM mobs for setting that train on fire in GODHRA but you have already decided HINDUS as CULPRITS in riots that followed?

    you betray your bias towards your community so openly by writing like this.

    i advise you to grow up MIA dont be a baby.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What he is trying to say is that-
    1. Karsevaks burnt the coach themselves.
    2. or Some hindu elements from Godhra burnt the coach.
    3. or martians carried out this act.

    4. Muslims are clean and can never do such this as non-violent mohammad never killed a fly in his life.

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    engrich Reply:

    What he is trying to say is that-
    1. Karsevaks burnt the coach themselves………yes
    2. or Some hindu elements from Godhra burnt the coach. vhp burnt the coach.riot was preplanned this was part of plan.court also released .
    3. or martians carried out this act. this was carried out by hindu fascist to unite middle class hindu votes and win election.gujrat is richest stte of india.SINCE THEY 1969 THEY WERE EXECUTING COMMUNAL RIOT AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR.

    4. Muslims are clean and can never do such this as non-violent mohammad never killed a fly in his life.riots are part of hindu agenda to captur hindu votes.

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  • Faulitics

    Zia is a coward and always goes for low hanging fruits. Strange that a “Muslim affairs” writer could not write about the treacherous akbaruddin Owaisi story but focus on a Hindu nationalist whipping boy instead.

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  • Raj

    no wonder you are called a muslim..zia, you epitomise what a muslim is.

    1. muslims cant see the truth. truth for them is what is convenient to their religion. They can lie through their teeth without a shame all in the name of religion – al takiya.
    2. muslims do not have sense of gratefulness. They do not have any sense of allegiance to the country that gave birth to ther fathers and forefathers in the past and going to feed them and sustain their future generations.
    3. Patriotism is an alien concept to muslims. Muslims can never be patriots. If they are patriots they can never be muslims.

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    THE BLOGGER MAY ANSWER ONLY ONE QUESTION.WHY IN ALL THE STATES RUN BY SONIA’S CONGRESS ,THERE IS NO SUCH INTREST IN INVESTING ?
    RIOTS TOOK UNDER RAJIV GANDHI IN DELHI -1984,DID THIS BLOGGER EVER WROTE ON THAT,IF NOT WHY NOT?

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  • bluewrox

    well …”fat cats” lavished praises…this “thin dog” lavished gaalis….

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  • vijay !

    Fantastic article in DAWN by a Pakistani Punjabi. It just details why Pakistan is a failed ideology. In fact it frankly admits that the mohajirs had just no chacne of being treated as equals. While the Bengalis were thoguht to be short, dark and Ugly.

    ———– to quote DAWN———–

    The educational level of India’s Muslims had been generally poor, but that of the Punjabi Muslim was simply pathetic, particularly the business community and the army men had no taste for useless pursuits such as learning and intellect; wealth came as Fazl-e-Rabbi, self-confidence came from the success of the Pakistan Movement, aggressive attitudes were genetic to us as Muslims.

    It has been natural for us to dismiss all our other nationalities with contempt if they disagreed or challenged us. So we evaluated our national diversity like this: Bengalis are black, small, ugly, disloyal crooks, Sindhis are lazy, hateful parasites living off our hard work, Balochis are unclean, lazy, ignorant, pagan fools whom we feed, God knows why. And well, Pathans? They are funny homosexuals and deeply jealous of our high merit. We never stopped our loud claims of everything good and right.

    We lost the defining part of our identity with disgrace and shame in 1971, although we have never admitted to this day that the Bangla Pakistanis were Pakistan’s identity much more than we were. We supported an illegal and immoral massacre by our army, which was illegal because it acted under orders of an illegal government and immoral because it attacked the elected majority. We externalised our guilt instead of bowing our heads in shame; we blamed India and the world for our disgrace. Today, we are again at a similar crossroads with deeper internal chaos and greater international isolation.

    We do not lose an inch of our honor if we submit to the wishes of the units that form tha

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    Tony Varadaraj Reply:

    Don’t expect our indigenous Muslim crabs to embark on such a self-critical exercise any time soon because every ill that they suffer from is always the fault of the Hindus. Remember those of them who emigrated to Pakistan now are making a nuisance of themselves there too, blaming the hapless Sindhis for not adjusting to them in Karachi.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Don’t know why bangladeshis shud favor pakistanis as the pakis think them to be short dark and UgLY
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    Bss Reply:

    Is this why Advani was kicked out of Pakistan? He is after all a B L O O D Y Pakistani!

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  • agnivesh

    KILLER MODI IS EX-TEABOY OF ROADSIDE RESTRANT IN GUJRAT.heis darling of international and local copitalist media brcause he is selling our land to multinational.riots are perpetuated tovacate muslims and dalits frm prime land so that their land can be sell to foreigners.corporates brings hunger and poverty not prosperity.read the history of latin america.americam president cannot go anywhere.

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  • kpbhatt9

    Development kise kehte hai yaha Gujarat me aake dekh jao. Aur rahi baat Muslimo ki to Gujarat ke Muslims pure India me se sabse Sukhi Muslims hai. Modi Sher hai. Use PM banna hi chahiye aur ek Gujarati hone ke nate mujhe pata hai uski Governance Skill. He is a Combination of Brilliant Brain, Superb Speech & Megical Memory. I m Proud to be an Indian & I m a Proud to be Gujarati.

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