Native justice

MMS will take on Raja? No, he will not. MMS is clean, he is honest, and along with Rao, he revolutionised the economy.
But he is old- 75- and we need a man of steel to take on Kalmadi, Kanimozi and Raja and others. And I know just the man for the job- ANNA HAMAREY

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my boli got lost in previous blog-
@ RAVI after months of the most hate filled anti hindu, anti sikh and anti Indian tirades, and after hurling obscenities at our Gods- your statements about Maharaja Ranjit Singh are ARTIFICIAL. Only rAJEEV ABOVE FELL FOR IT OR WAS HE BEING SARCASTIC

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@ Vinodji

While u have lauded Gogoi, your own paper reprted that he played the Hindu card…

Noq what does the congressmen have to say. Play the Mulsim card in UP and the Hindu card in Assam…

Anyway its good that the DMK has gone. Time that people reject dynasties and their corrpt children and grandchildren…

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Mamata’s magic worked wonders in West Bengal.

But what was that magic,really?

Was it Singur that really decided the fate of Communist’s rule ? Can it the most singular factor that really threw communists out ?

Rallies have come and gone. But they have not impacted the whole populace so much that a Govt. of 34 years could be overthrown just like that !

What really convinced the people of West Bengal that Mamata could really deliver a different West Bengal?

I am not convinced that Mamata even has a good team that can deliver a brilliant governance.

People could not really be blind to all these inadequecies ?

Or, Mamata’s brand equity really soared when Ratan Tata had to leave Singur after his face off with Mamata ?

That suddenly she started looking invincible?

What was that magic potion Mamata prepared in a jiffy?

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In India, our leaders surprise us. Modi, the one with a possible stain of post Godhra riots hanging over him, delivers on governance. Who wrote that script?
Chandra babu Naidu, who was 10 years ago the IT savvy darling CM of all, who was going to give H’bad preeminence over B’lore, forgot about the farmers, till the souls of the thousands of suicidal farmers, destroyed him at the box office.
Mamta, Jaya- again my gut feeling says will be hopeless- may well surprise us, but I am not holding my breath.
Communists ensured no communal riots in 30 years, but I would say that their religion also indirectly gave birth to the naxalites, and their violence could well be described as a riot of sorts.
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I have lived in Bengal for a long time, at some point of my life. CPM has been strong in rural areas, farmers and among minorities but used to lose electione consistently in urban areas. Even when communits won 80% of the seats, there vote share was like 55% and TC/Congress at about 45%.

Mamata Bannerjee, cultivated and broke into the CPM vote bank among farmers and Muslims.

Now communists are known in Bengal for their arrogance and corruption, which normally increases with every year you are in power. This time, there was no splitting of votes between Congress and Trinamool Congress. In fact, If BJP had not fielded its candidates, the communists would have won about 20 seats, instead of the 50 they won.

Mamota Bannerjee, has also won over some converts by her personal austerity, determination and courage. She lives in a small 2 room house , without a proper roof. She takes care of her aged mother and even when she was railway minister, she refused official residence and continued to live in her cramped house. As chief minister too, she is going to refuse official residence and would continue to work from her 2 room accomodation under a large tree.

It remains to be seen , what quality of governance she gives WB, where people have high hopes and deserve better than the propogandist, self-righteous communists.

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Media is trying to Make a mockery of the word Justice – is revolving door for treasury loot, part of Native Justice? Which Oxford dictionary defines so? Already politicians have made enough wounds in our heart & soul. Don’t sprinkle Salt on that!

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Prabhat and DOC mishra- okay, will listen to you. Ravi the secret Pakistani gets a second life , a hindu rebirth, hehe.

mishraji, acha boley “”"Communists ensured no communal riots in 30 years, but I would say that their religion also indirectly gave birth to the naxalites, and their violence could well be described as a riot of sorts.”"” In India we are too soft on the communists, somehow their anti hindu far right stance, seems to give them a halo.
In the recent nuclear deal with the US, they looked out of touch

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@Balwinder

You may have a point there. Do you think the quick slide for Communists started when they refused to listen to reasons during the US Nuclear deal?

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yes raju, good point.

Mamta and Ratan Tata, or any other industrialist should sit on the table with the most sensible person the village can offer- someone with a little knowledge of economy, someone who has not been brainwashed with 3 decades of Marxism shit- and they should answer the SIMPLE QUESTION THAT MISHRAJI ASKED ABOVE-
“”"A farmer who has 30 acres- how much does he earn by farming and how much by way of selling the land and employment in the factory.”"”

seedha hisab, kitab. Televise it, debate it. Like here in UK- is the fifth terminal of heathrow going to be good, how muc disruption it will cause.

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Dear Vinod Sharma ji

First you must be complimented for analysing very clinically and impartially the recent election results of five states. In Kerala, even in defeat, the former CM has made LDF as the winner. A slender majority of one seat is so fragile that you never know when the arithmatic changes during the term of the assembly. The loss in Puducherry is clear indication of the GOP being arrogant with the people at the grass root level. The loss of DMK is no surprise. I am sure corruption or no corruption, the AIDMK had to replace DMK as a matter of convention, which is being watched from the last many elections when neither DMK or AIDMK had consecutive victories at polls.
Well, I am not surprised at the loss of communists in W. Bengal. Besides other political reasons,there must have been a fatigue factor with the comrades after 34 years of continuous rule. They needed a pause to reflect on their policies. May be this pause help them to regroup and become wiser with times.
Yes. Assam like MP, Gujarat, Chhattisgarh has won because of clean governance. and all round development.
You wouldd agree that Mr. Rahul Gandhi proved a damp squib and non performer in these elections. His jibes at Kerala CM of being overage has indeed boomeranged on him. The same logic could have been applied to our PM as well as to the former CM of TN. At least he has earned the permanent nickname of Amul Baby in return. He proved a disaster in Bihar and now in Kerala. I hope the GOP reviews its approach towards Jaganmohan Reddy if it is to survive in AP and the results of Puducherry are not repeated in AP.
Is n’t it an irony that the congress party which used to rule BIhar, TN and W. Bengal on its own majority has been decimated in these states and has to depend on the generosity of regional
parties in these states? The Amul Baby may not be able to deliver as hyped by the media and the party
Well, this review of the election results come from an ordinary common man like me and is quite representative of the views of academicians and professionals which I often interact with.
Any comments!!!
Regards
BNA

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~~~ ~!~ WHY CPM HAD TO LOSE– GOOD RIDDANCE ~ ! ~ ~~~

In the late ninties, when I spent a few months in Kolkatta, I used to be perplexed. As a Punjabi from Delhi, I would find it strange that while most Bengalis I met were so eloqount, so talented and creative and yet the piles of rubbish on the roads, and the lack of economic opportunity for the youth told a different story.

And then slowly I figured out. West Bengal was a full joint family in which the patriach was the stern looking Jyoti Basu !! And most people in this family were convinced that there are larger global forces of exploitation who have plotted to keep the people of the third world chained to poverty…

There was always talk of Chandan Basu and friends netting huge contracts thru the family network. I would find it strange that the CPM bosses always advised all the youth of the country to shun capitalism, yet their own children followed free enterprise and crony capitalism…

Well life was not bad in Calcutta if you had money in your pocket. Puja shuja, rangmanch etc etc. You could even talk to and date girls without their brothers and fathers wanting to shoot you

But since so many poor people were hanging around everywhere, you always felt that something was SURELY VERY WRONG… Unfortunately the international press too had somehow tarred Calcutta as the city of slums.

Moving out of the city with Bengali friends, I was always told that the land reforms program of the Left front had ensured that nobody was poor. Was it true? But it was fairly obvious that the CPM had little to offer besides land reforms. Nothing to educated youth who migrated to Delhi, Mumbai and rest of India.

AND THAT IS WHAT HAS CRUCIFIED CPM FINALLY. NObody believes thier claptrap of global exploitation. Thier joint family patriach is dead. The youth of Bengal have seen Bengalaru speed past Bengal….

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SHAN, as usual you come and shrill something intellectually vacuous- “”"Tata is a PARSEE, he had no feeling as someone NATIVE TO INDIA would for its bone poor peasants …..that parsee , who probably cannot speak a single word of hindi, never watched a hindi movie or listened to hindi songs “”"
Read India Unbound by Gurcharan Das and The Argumentative Indian by Amartya Sen, read Tareq Ali’s encounter with JRD, and read about how JRD would drily try and educate Nehru about how international businesses are run. What comes across in all these encounters is the Tatas love for India and thier basic living, certainly of JRD and his Dad. beta thodey badey ho jao phir badi baatein karna.
Similarly you try and negate what Kurien has said, and end up negating yourself on the ‘riches’ of bengal when divided by its teeming impoverished natives

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I think an interesting dimension is developing in the political scene. It is good, as well as bad. Looks like each state is deciding what is the ebst for it – regional party, congress, BJP etc – and mostly regional parties are winning. Regional parties know the issues much better, candidates are not imposed from “New Delhi”, and people more and more identify with the local/regional parties. This may also sharpen the states rights vs centre’s rights and responsibilities.

Congress and BJP will have to rethink their roles. They will have to focus on the centre, with a coalition of regional parties. Looks like no single party on its own can win the centre any more. Congress thinks it can! The right strategy for BJP will be to identify centre right regional parties, develop electoral plans early on, and contest parliament as a coalition of centre right parties. Rahul Gandhi is a nobody, hence all the more the need for a well-respected leader to lead BJP. They may want to draft a non-politician like Dr Abdul Kalam.

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AP is the only state that Congress is rulimg among the 10 biggest states. The misnistry can collapse on any day the way things are there. Jagan Reddy has shown that he cannot be ignored..

So, how is congress going to win the next parliamentary election with all the populous states under rivals?

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Iqbal Kaskar, younger brother of Dawood Ibrahim, was shot at in Mumbai but he escaped unhurt.

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Vijay,
This may be interesting for you. There are many sensitive and good people in pakistan. The reporter in the video below is trying to instigate pakistanis against US and India but people are refusing to get trapped in her wickedness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju_cESHH-x0

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Balwinder praaji, I would gift a copy of Gurcharan Das’s India Unbound to Mamta Bannerjee. It has lovely insights inside. There are lovely vignettes of business life in India from the small time marketing people living in small town hotels, to the world of Tata.
In fact it always infuriates me as to why in India, books and newspaper articles are always quoting foreigners. Das, Amartya Sen, Suketu Mehta, Vikram Seth should be introduced to Indian schools and colleges they represent a new vibrant India.

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Rajeev, I agree with you. Dawood’s influence on Mumbai is still ever present. I think one of his houses was impounded by the govt in Mumbai, however they have not been able to sell it for no one has the guts to buy it.
Yes, you can knock off his sister or his brother, but be certain that serial bomb blasts all over India will inevitably follow. Otherwise India has tons of ‘ab tak chhapan’ type of encounter specialists. It is a bitter pill- but he is too powerful.
INDIA SHOULD PAY BLACKWATER 25 MILLION DOLLARS TO TAKE HIM OUT IN PAKISTAN

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SHAN,The crazy “Jews of India” enjoying their intoxicating power, wealth and arrogant insolence have become blind, deaf and also dumb-driven. That means they will be digging their own grave into which they only will fall and bury themselves alive even before their brother Jews are finished in the fast approaching Third World War — a war that will end all future wars — which we welcome and wait with bated breath

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Tajendar’s real name is Moot Andar Hussain Tur-d AS HE HAD REVEALED. wHY DOESNT HE POST UNDER HIS REAL NAME???

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The Pakistani scum Tajinder is here again !!! Well if being a Pakistani is not criminally shameful enough around the world, no amount of shame may deter a person bornof Jinnah and Aurnagzeb’s ideology, borrowed from some illeterate tribals of Arabia.

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@Shan
You bribe an individual to let you buy a gun and then go and kill your mother and daughter. So you say, the guy who took the bribe to let you buy a gun is responsible ? Arguments like this are made by the vilest scum in India, like the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid and peddlers of digvijay singh here.

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Jinnah’s brand of politics is emerging again in India especially Assam and Kerala…Get ready for few more Islamic separatist movements in next decade…

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslims-voting-along-community-lines-worrying/articleshow/8404114.cms
NEW DELHI: With Muslims polarizing in favour of religious outfits in Assam and Kerala elections, a key author of Sachar report has sounded the alarm that mainstream parties have to step in to check the “unfortunate” trend.

The community’s gravitation towards Badruddin Ajmal’s All India United Democratic Front (AIUDF) in Assam and Muslim League in Kerala was so complete that the parties notched up their highest tallies, emerging key players in state assemblies. All India United Democratic Front is even eyeing the lead opposition’s slot.

Abusaleh Shariff, who was part of the Sachar panel which ranked Muslims at par with dalits in backwardness, called the electoral development “unfortunate”. He said the community veered towards religious parties owing to lack of representation in mainstream platforms. “This makes them vulnerable to religious rhetoric,” he said.

The Muslims-for-Muslim-parties trend raised eyebrows because it happened in states where demographics make religious politics a sustainable enterprise. Assam has 30% of the community while Kerala has around 25%. That they are concentrated in select districts makes them crucial to winnability and appealing to leaders who want to launch religious platforms.

Shariff said, “We want Muslims to go to normal schools and not madrassas, but now the same is happening in politics. They have to be part of mainstream parties and the latter too have to be more inclusive — give them tickets and pay attention to their welfare agenda to check the unfortunate drift.” He said there could not be room for religion in public place.

While the secular credentials of Congress and Left traditionally polled a chunk of community votes, the 2011 results surprised observers to ask if it was a trend.

West Bengal, however, bucked the wave with Trinamool Congress raking in the community’s backing. The West Bengal result is seen as welcome relief.

The political class, however, feels that too much focus on Kerala and Assam could be misleading because the potential is higher among mainstream parties to have broad-based support.

Bihar, too, has high Muslim population but Nitish Kumar’s success last year in singlehandedly weaning them away from Lalu Prasad is seen as evidence of this belief. “Mamata Banerjee follows the same strategy. It is healthy,” a leader said.

The community’s gravitation towards Badruddin Ajmal’s AIUDF in Assam and Muslim League in Kerala was so complete that the parties notched up their highest tallies, emerging key players in state assemblies.

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@ Rajeev,

Pankaj sometime back started a dialogue on the atrocities on Muslims as percieved by them. Now could really come forward.

Let me sate that there is no constitiutional discrimination against Muslims in Inda and they have full rights as Indians. However all this talk of positive disccrimintaion is something which Iqbal started and jinnah continued.

The real problem is the third class marital laws which allow the males to maary four times and put Muslim women into a burka. Nobody has the balls to bell that cat…

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THIS RATHER SILLY CASTEISM REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING i HAD POSTED IN A PREVIOUS BLOG- pl read it tongue in cheek-

Dr D Mishra, UK Reply:
March 29th, 2011 at 1:16 am

to even it up, and because I look at India on a national level only, I
must look up names of famous Bengalis as well

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@ Rajeev,

Dawood is the ISI. Advani as HOme Minister had started using CHotta Rajan to take on Dawood.

That had been disconinued but RAW should start that again. Our judges and police forces stop just short of arresting Haseena Parker and Iqbal Kaskar, even though everyone knows the extent of their criminal activities. Maybe Private Indian citizens should fund Chotta Rajan

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mishraji, for a doctor and a brahmin to boot, you think with a martial spine, a sikh spine.
Liked that “”"INDIA SHOULD PAY BLACKWATER 25 MILLION DOLLARS TO TAKE HIM OUT IN PAKISTAN”"”

Yes, outsourcing is the flavour of the day and why not. Pak is teeming with blackwatrer and CIA, wont be forever- so yes- TAKE OUT A SUPARI ON DAWOOD, THRU BLACKWATER.
dR Mishra will fund with his rich private practice hehe

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Tajender/Ram Pakistani Muslim has crept into this blog also taking away the real estate on his usual anti brahmin, anti jewish, anti everything except muslim view.

Tajender, please be considerate–dont drag this blog also down

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shan says- no RSS in bengal”"”
But the violence unleashed by the naxalites and the CPI, CPM, CPI (ML) CADRES more than made up for RSS related violence in whole of India
hamaar sonar bangla is a very poor violent Bangla from 1960- onwards. It took a UP police officer- i think Gupta was his name- to crush the naxals and save your sorry bong ***
joke- telegram sent

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@ Vinod Sharma
Sir
What do you make out about the presence of Mr. Narendra Modi at the swearing in ceremony of Jayalalita as a special invitee? It is reported that Amma specially wanted him to be present. As Mr. Modi entered the Hall, there were tremendous applause all round.
BNA

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@ Dr anand

Now if she starts supporting Narendra Modi, the Congress will unleash the CBI on her while a Vinod Sharma lead movement would get the press to hound her.

Arre baba,,, the CBI and press is unfair. The Yuvraj made a gaffe of the centruy and boasted on TV that he saw a 70 ft pit filled with bodies in Bhatta Parsaul and saw thousands of raped women. Now if this incident had happened a thousand miles from delhi, BJP would hve been invoked and fraudulant terror cases filed.

But in Bhatta Parsaul, all the press– except NDTV and Hindustan Times– has found the Yuvraj/yamraj’s statements a joke

maywati may be corrupt and bad. But it does not mean that the Congress should unleash its Goebbels team onto her….

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May 18th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Prabhat;
Sharing and enjoying criminal proceeds, is a crime too. why S/he can not not be arrested by Police. This will also send a strong signal to criminals of all hues( Including Politicians).

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Everyone;
The way, Maharashtra government is saving kaskar family, (see photograph in IE) looks like Dawood is an Indian asset in pakistan and not viceversa. Just a thought.

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News headline in HT.
“China will remain friend of Pakistan for ever”
Ha, China will use pakistan as a diaper and moment it is of no use will throw it away.
There is nothing permanent in International relations, only national interests are for ever.

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SHAN- ypou got caught telling lies again-

“by bribing MAHARASHTRIAN BRAHMIN PATRIOTIC HINDUS” lLet’s see who was convicted for bribery for the RDX landing at Shekadi and it’s final journey to Mumbai.
Accused number 82 Jayawant Gurav took the explosives from Shekadi to Mumbai in his own private car.
Accused number 116 Vijay Patil, a subinspector who waved the vehiicle carrying the RDX at a crucial check post.
Accused number 112, Somnath Thapa : additional customs collector at the time who was the main kingpin in this conspiracy at the behest of Tiger Menon.
Since you have so told us with such authority as in the film, Black Sunday , then please provide us with the names. of the Maharashtrian Brahmin patriotic Hindus.

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@Vinod Sharma,

I know its a open blog and all are welcome. But what about Pakistanis like Tajinder, who want to camouflage their Pakistani identity and then go on to grossly abuse the privelege ?

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@ fake Tajendar

You revealed that real name is MOOT ANDAR TUR-D. just check up in the english dictionary what TUR D means,

Just check up in the Hindi dctionary what MOOT ANDAR means.

IS it why you keep spreading moot and Tu rds ?

Go bacl to Pak-shit-stan and blow yourslef up to kill some jehadis. Maybe u will get jannat

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~~~ ~~ PAK-SHIT-STAN WANTING TO BECOME A CONDOM AGAIN !!! ~~~ :) ~~~

After being repeatedly kicked in the bum, Pak-shit-stan is now hiding behind the pajamas of China !!

The love has been declared like an obseqious slave. Pak-shit-stan is eying China’s huge foreign exchange reserv es. And China sees a possibility of grabbing Kashmir and a willing slave also…

But;;; the funny part !!

China is scared of terrorists and religious fundamantalists the only thing Pak-shit-stan produces.

Just before the Beijing olympics they threw OUT ALL PAK_SHIT_STANIS OUT of CHINA !!!

What an EQUAL relationship !!! HA HA HA AHA AH !!

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Mishraji;
I think not many people understood when you say bauxite from hill/ mountain. I had been thinking on those lines for some time, but did not elaborate. some time next in future, I will dwell upon it, vis a vis Avatar.

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@Vijay Kumar

I usually target foolish P-a-k-i-s-t-a-n-i-e-s, but the coward idiots like Azhar and a few others are hiding, so scope for my comments gets limited.

For some time the debates happening in this forum is pretty much within Indians. Besides that I have limited knowledge on the subjects unlike you who has good knowledge of the issues, so I don’t have much to contribute

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Tajender;
All the time you are talking about Brahmansm? Would you please elaborate on that? or it is too tough for you. You can only parrot words told to you by your ” AKAS”.

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@ Pankaj

I thinl u should not engage this fake Tajendar and real Moot Andar Tur-d.

His IQ is zero and will give a pig a run for money. Instead let us convince him to go back to Pak=shit =atan

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@ Dr Mishra

having travelled around China I can say this for sure.

That the Pak- China affair is an artificial thing based on a slave and master relationship.

At ground level the Chinese government would be very scared of a country which has heroin smuggling as its no 1 export, and terror as its main ideology.

As it is religion is still not openly preached in CHina because of the communists. SO why should they let a fundmantalist state influence its people ?

The Chinese people are looking to get democracy and throughout the last remnants of Mao. They look upto America as a model. And want Buddha back in their lives.

On both counts, Pakistan has little to offer
The Chinese wou

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DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM R.I.P. (HOPEFULLY)

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Vijay;
Reading pakistani newspapers, you get a mix response to Abbotabad. Some are suggesting establishment to Hosh main Aau, other are still hunting for scapegoats. It seems, pakistan requires a bigger Jhatka to Hosh main Aau.

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The “yoga guru” Ramdev Yadav, is a lower caste OBC. Why the Brahminists are carrying him on their heads and lavishing so much of publicity in their toilet papers?

The secret is he is dancing to the tunes of the Hindu terrorist party, RSS, which has permitted him to make tons of money and travel round the world. They are even considering a big political future for him to mislead the people.

You join the enemy camp, you will get name, fame, money — anything you want. Ultimately your name will become mud.

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Pankaj, you asked-
Pankaj#1 says: May 19, 2011 at 3:50 am, Mishraji;
I think not many people understood when you say bauxite from hill/ mountain
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Glad to explain. There was this proposal by a company called Vedanta to mine for bauxite in Niyamgiri mountain which was resisted by the tribals who were supported by many including Arundati Roy. To crush the movement, the govt became very heavy handed which gave an opportunity for the maoists to creep in.
My own feeling is that in these ugly situations, sometimes one has to wait till the tribals are ready for the development otherwise there is bloodshed. Arundati wrote an impassioned article titled LEAVE THE BAUXITE IN THE MOUNTAIN which I sometimes quote as a metaphor for similar situations.

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1 .I charge you Mr Vinod Sharma , Political Editor ,HT with spreading lies and half-truths , distorting the statements and attempting to hurt the reputation as a man of reasonable intelligence of Mr Rahul Gandhi Hon’ble MP . I charge you with reporting that whereas his statement was that the heap of ashes was 70 ft in diameter , duly measured by a certified tape , to 70 ft high heap of bones. That you have spread lies that he said 74 people have died, nothing to speak of the mass rape and torture.. It is evident that you wish to cause deep harm to his reputation and lower his esteem in the eyes of the people What native justice is this ?
In fact BJP is turning out to be his true friend. Atleast they have better assessed his mental abilities and have advised that Mr Rahul Gandhi MP should restrict himself to reading from pre-written texts like his Mom.
2.Mr Vinod Sharma of the HT Political Bureau asked the PM sir what do you have to say about the gaffe made in preparing the list of terrorists. , as it has brought deep embarrassment and shame to the country. It has also deeply undermined the credibility of India’s diplomatic moves to take Pakistan to task.
The innocent PM of India – “ Mainu ki pata , Main to Madam naal puchan vaste gaya si”.
3. The Hon’ble Governor of Karnataka now says Yedurrappa enjoys massive majority and works hard for atleast 17-18 hours ( for the welfare of Karnataka.)
Arre Shenoy Saab kahaan hain. Isi baat par kuch ho Jaye.

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WHERE IS SHENOY SAHAB…. ????

Where is shenoy sahab ?/ Unke bina yeh blog rookha rookha ho gay hai…..

Seems that Prabhat’s and Vinodji’s unwarrante4d attacks on him have put him off….

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~ ~ IS THERE ANYBODY OUT HERE WHO HAS BEEN RAPED AND SPEAKS ENGLISH ?? ~~

The Yuvraj / yamraj wants to talk to you !!!

The foot in the mouth Yamraj along with Digvinash are the Laurel and Hardy team who convert everything into a joke !!

After giving a clean chit to the Lashkar, the Laure and Hardy team thought that they will win over UP. They had a chamcha press hunting for favours and Rjya Sabha seats willing to cover up their gaffes as thier partners.

Mayawati has been making money in Greater NOida and Noida in a big way in land allotments, much in tune with what Mulayam and Amar Singh did. The amounts could shame 2g by miles.

But shouting out rape rape !! has trivialised the issue. A make belive story of a 70 feet pit filled with murdered bodies is a gross lie. I travel around the area all the time and know that this agitation was about getting higher compensation and not about rape and murder as Yamraj and Digvinash alleged!!!

But then these jokers were used to shouting “modi Moid.. rape rape… yeddi Yeddi… rape rape!! ”
And getting applause from a chamcha press.

now this time they have floundered badly.

And only the HT supports them !!

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Our great CBI. To extrdite Mr. Q they had gone to Argentina without a translator and now
for Kim Davy’s extradition they have taken expired warant.

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Vijay, are you belittling rape. Maybe 1 rape and 1 murder occured ?

@ Pankaj- Mishraji’s bolis are full of words like ‘metaphors’ and ‘paradigms’ I often say- oye, give me dictionery hehe
But he does write well. In that post you refer to he mixes bauxite, mountain, Arundati, Saudi, rajiv, islam etc in a nice cocktail. Stick with him, he is opposite of tajender-cutandpaste-pakistani-mynameisramavtar-dont-callme-mootandar- oye I got headache yaar

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Vijay ,Shenoy Saab
About the Bhatta Parsaul face-off between the Congress and the BSP, to me , it appears to be complicit. I see some merit in the view that BSP had allowed not just Rahul Gandhi( said to have reached on a motorcycle) but also Digvijay Singh and Rita Bhaugana Joshi in there , whereas no other leader could reach there. BSP would like the Opposition votes to get divided between the Congress and the SP and BJP. At the same time , I also am surprised by the way Rahul Gandhi’s local guardians in Bhatta Parsaul handled his campaign . Such stupidity. I sometimes think that his L Guardians appear to be wanting to push him into a pit.

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bade paajee just note ,wherever arabs have oil their citizens get gets house electricity water education and employment free of cost.health facilities are free upto london and america.
they drive mercedeze and rolls royce.go to london and paris on holidays.in emigration form,in the place of purpose of visit,they write openly..to fk the british girls

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Taj-fake,

I agree with you. Arabs go to US and UK just to fxxk the white ‘beauties.

Here is one such Arab, who was interviewed at the visa office.

An Arab national was interviewed by US embassy for visa.
Consul: “UR name”
Arab”Abdul Aziz”
Consul, “Sex”
Arab” Every Day”
Consul : “I mean Male Or Female”
Arab : “Doesnot matter ,sometimes camels also
Consul : ” Holy Cow!”
Arab: “Yes Cows and Donkeys also”
Consul : “Man! Is that not hostile?”
Arab : “Dog style Any Style”
Consul : “oh Dear”
Arab :’ Noo/// No deer *** hole too tight and They run too fast

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SHAN- your brahmin bashing has been caught out once again. You still have not responded to-
Balwinder Sandhu says:
May 18, 2011 at 8:18 pm
SHAN- ypou got caught telling lies again-

“by bribing MAHARASHTRIAN BRAHMIN PATRIOTIC HINDUS” lLet’s see who was convicted for bribery for the RDX landing at Shekadi and it’s final journey to Mumbai.
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SHAN, waiting for that list of trecherous brahmins, sorry bahmans

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shenoy jee,

India’s Brahmin PM Nehru provoked a war with China and at least 1 lakh Indian soldiers died (1962) but not 1 Chinese soldier was killed. But the rulers were not at all perturbed. They will be worried only if their jatwalas are killed. All those who died in the Himalayan holocaust were our people (SC/ST/BCs Muslims/Sikhs/Christians).

The Brahminical logic is that all these fellows died because they were destined to die. They fought for their motherland and died. As India is not their motherland, they are not expected to die and hence they are not bothered about what happens to India. This is the great Brahminical logic.

Please note: If there is a war tomorrow with the nuclear Pakistan, the rulers will not bothered because those who die will not be their people. It is this hate-mongering policy of the Brahminists that has made India hated by all its neighbours.

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There million clues why tajinder is a pakistani and that too a dirty, vile type. I have often seen that pakistanis, fed on Pak army/isi/rightwing propoganda start talking about brahmanism, caste system etc because Indians don’t talk like that. What surprises me is that these guys , while they hate Indians, have no qualms about assuming Indian identity and names.

The only problem I see is that he posts so much trash and tries to reduce the blog into a garbage , where in he finds himself comfortable !

One way is to not engage him in any discussion or try to find any logic or reason in his trash.

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lol
trying to convince a jinnah-bigot-pakistani about anything is like

1. trying to convince a isi-fed-pakistani Pak ISI/Army that its not a criminal entity
2. trying to convince a Pakistani that they did not exterminate all minorities ( Hindu sikhs from 22% to 1 % )
3. trying to convince that Pak did not kill millions of bengali muslims in East Pakistan
4. trying to convince that Pak is not a begger state depending on foreign aid to just make its loan payments
5. trying to convince a pakistani that Jinnah , Aurngzeb, Ghori, Ghazni etc were religious bigots who killed and plundered

the list goes on and on.

Of course there are a many sane Pakistanis but they do not go around assuming fake Indian identities and mouthing absurdities like Brahmanism , Jews etc.

In fact, trying to compare India and Pakistan today, given how different the political history of the countries has been in last 65 years, is self-proclaimed act of IDOCY.
One is a butcher-state , the other among the greatest secular-democracies in the world.

The kind of language tajinder user comes out of the educational-***-mental insititutions of the Islamic republic of Pakistan. The more he speaks we get a view at the history and education written by Jinnah;s muslim league.

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No body points out, muslim maasse’s proclivity to shun modern education. They find it easy to go for artisan’s jobs. Without modern education, how they can be integrated in modern economy. Muslims, who have joined mainstream by virtue of modern education, have risen in every field in India

PANKAJ education has made so expensive that it is out of reach of muslims.only rich can have good education.second or third class education without resevation can not bring job.so they prefer to be artisan.always exploited by banias and threatened by rss gundaas.

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@ All

Just don’t gove too much imprtance to this Tur-d yaaron !!

iss tur-d ko itna kaho

Jaa baeta pakistan

aur banjaa suicde bomber

Then we will release a comedy in Bollywood called

” Mr Tur-d meets Osama bin loda…”

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Dear Usman Chowdhury,
You said…….What worries me is the drag of mud sliding attributed towards tajender’s nationality……

Actually, Usman all are welcome on this blog, irrespective of whether they are Indian or Pak. I guess one should educate, entertain or debate. Tajender is mono focussed on everything being a brahminist conspiracy (or Zionist) and he constantly sneers at Indian failures.
I did say to him once ‘mera bhaarat mahaan kaise banega if muslims like you stand to one side and snigger and sneer’
There are very patriotic muslims here- Shoeb, Mirza, Syed, Rizwan- you find them on Zia’s blog. There is a good cut and thrust with them, very lively debates. With them it is like they are just another caste or state of India- hope that made sense.
with Tajender- just look at his latest offering- Nehru started the war with China….. now come on

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@vijay, thanks, this was the info that I had been waiting for- what price development, when your house is bulldosed for a highway, who gets what……..- the villagers got 33 lakhs per acre , Mayawati’s BSP govt is making about one crore an acre in kickbacks and the builder sells the land for 5 crores per acre……
you were also right about Rizwan – he is very nationalistic. Balwinder praaji calls him the shahrukh of Zia’s blog
I also could not find the link to Rahul giving LASHKAR a clean chit – if he said something like that, then he should be disqualified from holding office ( here in the UK, holocaust denial is considered beyond the pale, and in countries like Austria it is actually punishable- for good reason. )
I am disappointed with Rahul if he said that, vaguely I did like him

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@Balls winder sandhu and snipped at age 9 Rizwan.
As it happens there is Maharashtrian bramhins sentenced in connection with smuggling explosives in Mumbai blast, they are TALWADEKAR, PALSHIKAR.
Boys shouldn’t play with MEN

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You said…….What worries me is the drag of mud sliding attributed towards tajender’s nationality

IN INDIA HATE IS DUTY.IF U TALK OF RECONCILLIATION OR FRIENDSHIP ,IT MEANS U ARE TRAITOR AND PAKISTANI.

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@ Pankaj#1 – Your observation about is true. These half-literates can’t debate with the rational arguements put forward by the likes of you and a few others in this forum. What irks the most is that they try to hijack every discussion with their anti Indian comments without any substance to back.

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@ pankaj and Vijay, thx for support. Whenever SHAN loses any argument, he resorts to anti brahmin and anti muslim abuse- part of his DNA. This wont be the first time he has called me or other muslim men- circumcised. That is vulgar of him.

SHAN- read above- others have posted above a long list of accused who also include non brahmins.

regarding tajender- Balwinder paaji had said in Zia’s blog- that ravi should take Tajender bak to pakistan and released only once a month on a full moon light to blog. The sound in the background would be balwinder howling at the moon in frustration!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahaaha

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Dear Friends,

Ravi was almost forced out of this blog due to your sustained demand, before Prabhat took him under his wings for a course in rehabilitation as for a drug addict. Now, this Tur-d has become such a nuisance and a source of constant irritation that it has become impossible for decent bloggers to keep our cool and not resort to cheap vulgar language, which is exactly what he wants us to do.

I am therefore calling upon all of you to launch another campaign to throw this SCUM out.

JAI HIND
JAI BHARAT

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This scum, **** and Shan together have posted 25% of all the posts on this blog.

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@ Shenoy

Ignore the tur-d !! Or just keep reminding him that he should go back to Pak-shit-stan to blow himself up. Or let kushagra take care of him with single line volloyes !

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@ Prabhat

Tur-d takes away physical space and breaks the debate. his support for Pak-shit-stani causes like Osama, Hafeez saeed and Masood Azhar is total; his hatred for Chirstians, hindus and SIKHS AND iNDIA IS UNBELIEVABLE.

So even if he is no Pak-shit-stani, he is probabky mentally one !

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@ RIZWAN

I wish to understand how India can integrate better from your viewpoint. Frankly at times, many hindus feel that Muslims have some greater love for Pakistan than India.

This may be a generational thing as the previosu generation had seen the divission of the country on religious lines.

i dont think that way. I employ many Muslims and even have a Muslim tenant. I know that there is really no differnce in thinking. Yet somewhere I feel at times, some Muslims tend to gravitate towards parites who are fighting for the Ummah rrather than fighting poverty, illiteracy and ignorance as i exists today in India.

On the other hand politcal parties like the COngress want to isolate Muslilms from rest of India by tailoring their rhetoric on religious lines.

how do we destroy this barrier ?

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Prabhat- I disagree partially with your statement- ‘ If he is an Indian, I would want him to post his viewpoints. If he is a Pakistani and that too a vulgar one, then he is all yours.
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That statement seems to imply that ALL pakistanis are fair game on this blog. That shud not be the case. A lot of us here I hv noticed blog on Pakistani newspapers as well- Express tribune in particular- and they do allow us.

This wud be the ultimate irony- censorious indians and open pakistanis- cant hv that

reg tajender- i hv said zillion times before- JUST IGNORE HIM

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@ Shenoy

U r right this blog is addictive. I am on the backseat of a car, travelling from greaer noida to gurgaon and hammering this keyboard !

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DEAR SHENOY DO U AGREE THATBrahminical rulers, like their Jewish cousins, are experts in propaganda which made the gullibles in the West to believe that India is the “land soaked in spiritualism”, that the people are so god-fearing that they do not kill even an ant. Their biggest gas balloon is Gandhi whose “saintly appearance” deceived the whole world.

Such a “great land of spiritualism”, with 330 million gods, is buried under mountains of corruption and destroying every wing of the society. Its very pillars of “Hindu spiritualism” are shielding and defending the corrupt rascals.

“KHATRI SICK” IN SCAM ?
When the World Bank nominee, the “Khatri Sick” PM’s name figured in the country’s most famous and the largest financial scam, (telecom), he rushed to the notorious Puttaparti Satya Sai Baba, hailed as the very incarnation of god, though the same god could not cure the hundred and one diseases he is suffering from.

Brahminical “spiritual” leaders in hundreds have gone to US, UK and other Western countries to fool the godless Christians and doing brisk business selling their bogus yoga, a big humbug.

TIRUPATI RECEIVES TAINTED MONEY
Suresh Kalmadi, a Madhwa Brahmin from Karnataka, is fully protected by the Udupi swamis and their butter thief god Krishna. Harshad Mehta, Ketan Desai, Ramalinga Raju, Ambanis, all of them are highly spiritual fellows — whatever that may mean.

Bangalore’s Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and the Udupi Pejawara Swami are the gurus for all these thieves.

The Tirupati temple, the richest in India, is receiving all this stolen money. Yet, neither the presiding god nor its priests rejected this filthy stuff. Reports say the money stolen in all these scams are deposited with these Hindu swamis and temples for safe- keeping.

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@ All

Once in a while, a personal skirmish amongst the posters is okay. But to have it all the time irrespective of the theme of the Blog is surely unwarranted.

I appeal to everybody to come back to the theme of the blog.

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just noticed that tajender has been upset that Doc mishraji said we should payn US Blackwater agency 25 miilion dollars to take out dawood. He has stated that modi and advani go free- his stance on both dawood and modi will inflame everyone

bade paaji when imf chief can be caught and sent to jail.why not advani.when on 6th december he was leading rowdy brigade to demolish our historical monument 14 poors were burnt alive in front of him ,why he should not go to jail and pay like normal indian in same conditions.everything is on video.
same modi,ehsaan jafferi made 200 calls to advani modi etc before he was burnt alive by gundaas alongwith 69 others sheltering in his house.,including a parsee boy.ABHEE TU JEEVIT HAI WAS THE ARESPONSE OF MODI.he was found using his home minister to run money extraction bussines and using state police in this crime.where in the world people like them will be allowed to run public office.

dawood smuggled rdx after continued communal riots in which state police was helping rioters in their act of looting and murder.when state fails people take the affair in their own hands.neverthless
he should be arrested and punished as per indian laws.but too much talk of dawood and be silent on other side is double standard.
govt of india has given list of 50 most indians to pakistan.2-3 are already in indian jail.it means they are not serious.just playing games to create tension to help cia.

neither i am sanghi nor congress.i want law should be applied to all.

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Dear Vinod ji
I cannot believe I am saying this, but I would have to suggest that you blaock tajender out completely. He means well, but his cut and paste destroyed Zia.s blog. There was one blog which had 6oo comments, 3oo were by ramavtar aka tajender.
Nice posts get hidden in the avalanche of tajender’s posts.
He also incites some people here like rajeev and kushagra who then abuse him and he abuses them back.
sorry tajender you cannot change – i did say above- !% of the time you will act as ankush and say something nice or incisive
I am sikh I speak my mind
OVER TO YOU VINOD JI, what do others think

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@ Vinod Sharma

I think it is time that we flush the Tur-d out of this blog. I mean get Tajendar the fake out of here…

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~~~ Can women not be criminals????

One of the big problems with Jethmalani is that he is a glad eye at eighty or more.

Five years back I attended a party and shared a dinneer table with Jethmalani where he sat silenly growling occasionaly like a sullen boxer dog.

And then suddenly his face lit up. He spotted two teenage girls sitting along at an adjoining table. he got up and planted himself next to them… and kept chattering for the next two hours, giving them advise, and even serving drinks to them…

To him goes the prize for the worst statemet by a lawyer. That kanimozhi should be released bcos she is a woman….

WoW!! No wonder the lonely ladies of Indian politics get away with heavy corruption and what not….

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Vijay;
Some time I feel that these payals and her ilks are really Tajinder’s clones. In the garb of superpatriots, they target only people who are rational and do not use hyperboles. Dr. Anand and many like him are criticizing Congress and Vinod, and this payal says exactly opposite to this. Just to create confusion, chaos and mayhem in this blog. They appear more dangerous than Tajinder, with Tajinder, at least you know, where you and he stands. These payals come in this blog wearing masks of patriots and hurt only people with certain well defined ideas. In this particular post of Anand, he is making fun of rahul and repraminding vinod and she says What?

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@ Pankaj

Pyal seems confused and has responded to Dr Anand without reading him.

As far as Tajendar he fake goes, he should first post under his real name and then be polite and less volumious.. But my estimate is that we can at best use him for understanding the suicide bombers mind.

Fake Tajendar is not a suicide bomber yet. But his hatred for all relgions like Hindu, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhist, qadianis is so gr8 that he is a potential Suicide bomber.

We can also use him as a guinea pig to see whther we can reverse brainwash him. If we can, then we can share the expertise with CIA, RAW, MOssad, MI6 and other agencies which r fighting Pakistani terror…

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Let me say right at th beginning that I am somewhat neutral here- Congress vs BJP.
I do not like minority appeasement of congress and I do not like the rise of bajrang dal type of fascists that have been associated with BJP. So while a lot of congress bashing is going on, I ask-

When the BJP were in power did never manipulate CBI and similar agencies or try and impose Presidents rule a la Bharadwaj in K’taka?
Not trying to provoke – genuinely want to know. If BJP were all that good and no 2-g type scams happened in their tenure, then how come they got voted out ??

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may sound cruel- but when you see a nice saree clad Kanimozhi or Mr Millionaire networker extraordinaire Kalmadi in jail, it feels good.
Not being cruel, but this will stop Lallu, Mulayam, Sharad Pawar when they are planning their next DB Realty or urea fodder type scams. It will also stop officials like Bhanot in the future

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sorry, repeat, got hidden on last page-
Let me say right at th beginning that I am somewhat neutral here- Congress vs BJP.
I do not like minority appeasement of congress and I do not like the rise of bajrang dal type of fascists that have been associated with BJP. So while a lot of congress bashing is going on, I ask-

When the BJP were in power did never manipulate CBI and similar agencies or try and impose Presidents rule a la Bharadwaj in K’taka?
Not trying to provoke – genuinely want to know. If BJP were all that good and no 2-g type scams happened in their tenure, then how come they got voted out ??

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lot of humour above-
balwinder praa- yes I had asked that tajender be released only on a full moon night to blog- I shall spend the night howling at the moon in frustration

shan- If Jaya , becomes PM , then would the last person to leave india please turn the lights off.

vijay- We can also use tajender as a guinea pig to see whther we can reverse brainwash him. If we can, then we can share the expertise with CIA, RAW, MOssad, MI6 and other agencies which r fighting Pakistani terror…

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Tajinder;
You have not responded to my latest post and have gone back to brahamanism and all that Bull. You have posted after I asked you two questions. Can you think? Now, I understand, where you are coming from. In the language of Jamiat Islami, Talibans, Tableeghis, Ahle hadis, why you are not ” Wazib-ul-katl ” for hindu extremists? let me know.

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@ Dr Mishra

The press of India is biased against the BJP totally. And for obscure reasons…..

a) The english speaking Media girls feel that thde BJP may represent a return to lectures on what good Indian women should do. And knowing a few media girls I k now that many of them feel that having rum and coke is more important than objective assesment of politcal performance !

b) Tehelka was a roll of toilet paper owned by a small time Cong peon. It needed to create a scam to come into the news. IT forcefully gave rs i lakh to Bangaru Laxman for a non existent contract. ANd it supplied prostitutes to some army majors just to create a scam

Then started shouting in true Cong style…”rape/// rape//rape///”

The same media was silent when 1,790000 crores was eatne by Cong and allies. In fact some of the press and media people like Vir Sanghvi, Barkha Dutt etc have been caught liasoning for KaNIMOZHI. But nobody shouts rape now…

NOt even V inod Sharma !

So a negative press bcos of poor media management was one big reason.

3 And the last big one is that Vajpayee was too decent as compared to most Congress leAADERS….

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Shaan,

you said, “However let me give you some FACTS about gandhi.
At age 60 , when he had an involuntary orgasm , he went potty , for he had this moronic beleif , that if you could suppress your sexual desires , the energy will be channeled into acheiving higher things. this is the time he started sleeping with two young girls on his both sides.
Another one , which gives an insight of future economic trajectory of india,
When womenfolk from birla household came to visit gandhi , the first thing he said “Beti log hamare liye kuch nahi layi ho” .A wad of cash was duly placed infront of his feet.
Not difficult to predict the share of the pie that birlas would receive post independence.
As for Bengal renaissance , I just need to say “Do not cast pearls…..”

In the earlier blog, we had discussed Osama’s spermiscuous orgistic life with his young wives and how the fake Ravi was employed for cleaning up the mess.

Your above post is the intellectual equivalent of Osma’s physical orgy. Sad that we don’t have Ravi here to clean up. Will you ask the Taj-fakeTur-d to do the job for you?

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When womenfolk from birla household came to visit gandhi , the first thing he said “Beti log hamare liye kuch nahi layi ho

if it is true ,in europe or america it will be considered as harrasment.ghandhi always has open signed cheque book from birla.what he was asking from these ladies is clear.he must have been treated like strauss kahn in civilized world.

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The day India has a separate judicial system for cases involving financial crimes- courts which are fast tracked to deliver judgement in super quick time- ALL SCAMS WILL VANISH. A tenant stays on without rent cos he knows that cases drag on for 10-15 years and often the landlord dies or becomes weak in the process.

Corruption will generally be less in an ideology based party- eg communists and BJP.

Corruption will be more in coalitions cos the leader, even if he wants to, cannot crack the whip. MMS is a thorough gentleman, but he does show flashes of genuflection. When he met Bush 2 years ago- WHAT WAS THE NEED TO SAY ‘ALL INDIANS LOVE YOU’.
no they dont love the butcher of Iraq

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UPites can heave a sigh of relief. Amar Dalaal Amar Singh says he is a Bengali from Bengal (as he was brought up there). Mamta Didi watch out , he may just choose to go back to his roots.

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::D:D ~~~ EUREKA !! EUREKA !! FIRST RESULTS OF REVERSE BRAINWASHING EXPERIMENT

ON TUR-D FAKE TAJENDAR AND REAL moot andar Hussain Tur-d out !!!! ~~~ ~~

Gentleman, the first results of our lab experiment on Tur-d Tajendar the fake Pak-shit-stani are out !! \

All attempts to re-engineer his brains by blogmates like Prabhat, Pankaj and me have yielded little result. It seems that Pak-shit-stani histroy books tailored to make citizens hate the world are too strong… !!

Let us report the results to CNN and Al Jazeera as well as RAW.

Should we now allow Kuhagra to try his way on this Fake tur-d !! ???

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@MANOHAR, PANKAJ, VIJAY, RIZWAN
Thank you for answering my qestion- why did BJP flounder so in the last 10 years despite stalwarts like Vajpayee and ?Advani.

I put a question mark in front of Advani, because in my opinion, history will not judge him kindly. On Zia’s blog last month, I had posted this provocative question which had received some animated responses-
IS ADVANI, AN INTRINSICALLY DECENT BUT MISGUIDED INDIVIDUAL, IN A WAY RESPONSIBLE, EVEN IF INDIRECTLY FOR THE COMMUNAL VIOLENCE RELATED TO BABRI, GODHRA AND GUJRAT. IS HE IN SOME MINOR WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RISE OF DAWOOD

I am now open to criticism

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@ Dr Mishra

I know this area well. Almost like the back of my hand.

Even if you go thru the BBC report, you will see that they could not find any traces of rape or murder. That is why the Yuvraj and Digvinash are way off target. In fact the National commission of women has also jumped into the fray, just proving that all these agencies are Congress puppets. Maybe the NCM will also find something adverse !

The real tragedy of development in India is something else. It is about integrating farmland to exist along with Urban development in a PLANNED manner.

What CPM did by distributing land in parcels of 1/8 acre is bad because it kills ALL possibilities of Industrial and urban development taking place as land acquisition can never happen. SO an entire generation living of 1/8 acres with no employment is condemned to poverty forever.

The Ghazibad, Dadri and Bulanshahar area of UP was a crime belt where you could be murdered for 50 rupees, fifteen years back. And women were condemend to worse sort of poverty and casteism. You could be kidnapped for ransom with big names like DP Yadav, Madan Bhaiya etc being the local Mp’s and MLA’s

HOwever a CEO of greater NOida authoirty called Brijesh Kumar, acquired land for greater NOida in such a planned manner that everyone is happy. The locals got heavy compensation, a residential plot equivalent to 5% of surrenedered land and jobs in industry. Many became BIG property dealaers and builders. Others started their own shops and trucking businesses etc. That was the marvel of development which converted it into the MOST prosperous area of UP….

But Mayawit got it all wrong lately. Her governemnt though gives compensation of 33 lakhs per acre– more than any COngress state– is slow to give compensation plots. And it is common knowledge that the government takes 3000 -5000 per sq mtr for land allotment to builders. That is where the heartburn is. The farmer gets 33 lakhs per acre while the government takes 1.5 crores as kickbacks while the builder then sells it at 5- 10 crores per acre after spending on development…

BUT ! Let me reassure you that the farmers want higher compensation and DO NOT WANT ARUNDHATI ROYS AND LEFITISTS TO COME AND SPOIL THE HUGE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON OUT HERE !.

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Dr Misra -

As to your question about why BJP lost centre/ why they are not able to get back etc.. Here are some of my thoughts and observations .

1) The party does not have leaders who can learn from defeats, forge strategies, leverage opportunities. You cannot fight a national election on a platform that the numero ono objective is to build one temple or three temples. People have moved on. Modi could be that leader; but the party is afraid of putting him as the front. They should simply put him a sthe front and see where chips fall.
2) They do not have a “bench”. Mahajan was their charismatic man, of course his personal side and family side tarnished them. There was no other youth cadre. Now old in itself is not bad. I have seen how an old man like VS Achuthanandan was able to attract the young people of Kerala, how his coinage “Amul Baby” became a natiuonal ‘branding’ on incapable stupid people like Rahul Gandhi. Old is Ok,. but not relics.
3)They do not have a base in South India and do not have a long term strategy to maintain their strength in Karnataka, and expand to other states. Tamil Nadu, AP, Kerala do not have a single BJP MLA/MP. With all the caste/local parties in TN and AP, BJP should be able to form a few seat winning coalition in those states; but there are no leaders to pull it through. They can create a presence in kerala if they forge an alliance with the christian based splinter Kerala congress groups. Vellapally Natesan, the industrialist leader of Ezhava group SNDP, has made several statements indicating his frustration with the lefta nd right fronts. BJP should handover the kerala organization to him. They could have maintained Karnataka as a “model”; however their internal fights from day 1 onwards have made them a laughing stock plus the perception they are owned by the Reddy brothers of Bellary.

4) BJPs immediate focus should be to develop strong capable leaders – All the indicaton is that Gandhi family finally is vulnerable. Gadkari etc is useless. Party should have two sets of leaders – a few Mahathma Gandhi type (may be Dr Kalam and a few like him) who will connect with people, and a few strong ones who will provide administrative leadership. Modi has shown he can do both at a state level. And may be there are few states where that model may work whatever congressioanls say.

5) No single party will rule the centre (under our current electoral system) for the next 20-30 years. It will be always coalition. BJP has a winning coalition in Bihar. Bihar sends tons of MPs. Tamil Nadu and Andhra send tons of MPs. This is the time for BJP

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Shan;
I thought we may have good discussion here with you. But you are passsing judgement on Gandhiji. I do not think that any one from present age is in a position to pass judgement on him. Studying him, analysing him and rejecting or accepting him is all one can do. Your tone and tenor smack of Babu Nirad Chaudhary. Out of dozens of quotes from far superior neurons of people, of his time, who had better oppeortunity to understand him. i will quote only one.
Albert Einstein: it is difficult to imagine that a person, in flesh and blood, walked the earth. In M. K. Gandhi, we can compare him only to Jesus or Prophet Mohammad.
I think, this should be enpough for you. Comparing S.C. Bose, a great man in his own right, with Gandhi, also tells of strong regionalism, which has overcome your power of balanced thinking.

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I see a lot of Mahatma bashing going on here. His inability to understand global economics or his rigid ideas on abstinence, are true, but do not represent even 0.01% of the man.
Read on-

Nahari: I’m going to Hell! I killed a child! I smashed his head against a wall.
Gandhi: Why?
Nahari: Because they killed my son! The Muslims killed my son! [indicates boy's height]
Gandhi: I know a way out of Hell. Find a child, a child whose mother and father have been killed and raise him as your own. Only be sure that he is a Muslim and that you raise him as one.

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In 2000, the USA magazine did an international poll to decide the most influential ppl of the last 100 years. No 2 was Einstein, Gandhiji was no 1.
Jinnah was not in the top 100, would not perhaps feature in the top 1000. For most of the world it is Jinnah who.
Indians should hold their head high that such a great soul who shall be remembered for the next 100 years, was born in their land.
If someone is titillated by his sexual experiments, they are welcome.

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@ EVeryone

~~~ ! ~:D ~ HOW VAJPAYEE WENT WRONG ON BOFORS ~~~ ~ ! ~~

Sincce Prabhat raised this question as a sort of taunt on why BJP failed to nail Congress on Bofors, here is my answer. I am not BJP guy and probably will never join a political party. But I am an engineer with some interest in writing and humn psychology.

Imagine the year 1999 when a bachelor with old world values like chivalry, politeness and a poetic flavour takes reins of the Government. He is not vindictive and is human to the last dot.

As PM he can easily set the CBI hounds on the reputation of a dead Prime Minster called Rajiv Gandhi. Especially since kickbacks were taken as it has been pro ved time and again.

But then what does Vajpayee do?

he decides to be human. He looks at the widow of the dead man and two children. And decides enough is enough. India must move on. maybe he was foolish as a politician. But then that is Vajpayee….

Pity, that the Congress does not recognise the huge favour done to it.

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someone says he played a minor part in our independence. Oh yeah ??
To unify a land and culture brutally torn apart by 1000 year of invasions, so that we think of ourselves as Indians today, and to achieve this independence with as little blood shed as possible- man, he was a giant.

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this blog is on fire-
thanks Vijay Praveen for an excellent local analysis of the Bhatta Parsaul economics and the crimes committed against the policemen and the DM
@GOPI- agree with most of what you say about BJP’S lack of national success, and SHENOY, I am a very active critic of Islamist violence, which in India has existed in various forms from time immemorial- from Ghazni to Aurangzeb to Ghazi Ilm Din to Moplah and Hyderabad razakars to Dawood and co to Kasab and kashmir.

However, SHENOY and GOPI- I SAY SOMETHING PROVOCATIVE- and that is that the events which started by an inocuous rath yatra, led to riots and then to Babri demolition, triggered a frightening backlash by the Islamists with numerous bomb blasts and the rise of Dawood to the terrible Godhra tragedy followed by Guj killings- all of which shook India to the core.

And therefore while 99% of the blame can be laid at the door of Dawood and SIMI etc, the crucial 1% isd laid at the door of Advani- an intrinsically decent but misguided individual.

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OK Shan;
let us start from here, if you are in UK, I am in North America. If you left India in your teenage, I left India, when probably, again probably, you were not not born. Let us go from here. My ignorance for current affaitrs in India can be excused, but I visit India very often, and it is not same India, which I left few decades back. But for some reason, as they say I can not keep India out of me. Who said , Gandhi to be Mahatma, not me. But was he not person extraordinay? Yes or NO?. Was he not above us mundane people, Yes or NO? I am still a conservative Hindu, any problem? I still believe in Varnashram, You have full liberty to challenge it, but challenge it with logic.Do you know, what is Varnashram, No you do not know, Varnashram has nothing to do with caste. Please go to google or what ever source you have, for Varnashram. Just for your information,Nazma Heptullah, grand daughter of Maulana Azad is in BJP. This is an aside. So what you understand with word Ram Rajya, I am not speaking about Muslims, I am asking you, what you understand with these two words, Ram Rajya. Period. OK, So, there was hardly any follower of Gandhi amongst muslims, so whose fault it is? Though still I can remember that apart from Maulana Azad, even, Hassan Shahid Suharawardy, was greatly impressed with Gandhi, when his fast, stopped, great Calcutta killings. How about Gaffar Khan, Sarhadi Gandhi, who said on partition, that you have left us to Wolves.I am not sure of Mohammad Ali brothers, but they were not all that opposed to Gandhi, as per my impression. I do not know, what is your source of information, but there are many factual mistakes with your statement. Will you please elaborate, on when Gandhi’s prefererred candidate was defeated, he back stabbed netaji? Please let me know. You are , in this post, approtioning Shahnawaj Hussain, who was as much dear to us as Ashfakullah khan. heard about him? Very conveniently, you speak of Shahnawaj, who is dear to us as well, but here you forget about Sehgal and a Sikh gentelman, who were as important as Shahnawaj. Again, you are ascribing this statement of ” it is very expensive to keep Gandhi in his poverty” to Britishers, while this was said by Sarojini Naydu. Definitely, your sources are compromised. Having said this, I will still love to talk to you, with all the sources at your and my command.

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@B.V.Shenoy
@Vijay Kumar

Thanks for the support.

Shan and Tajender have proved that there is no vaccine against stupidity.

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Shan shud be allowed to post his superficial and shrill views on mahatma Gandhi, for when doc mishra and pankaj give their brilliant defence of the mahatma, we all learn something. The example of the conversation posted above by mishraji- about Nahari killing- brings tears to my eyes.

Pankaj, sorry to disagree, Gandhiji is a mahatma- to walk fearlessly thru the fires of Noakhali and other riots, and to observe an instant cooling, requires fearless courage.

Shenoy saheb, enjoyed yr duel with mishraji. What if Advani had not started the rath yatra- maybe all else that followed may not hav happened, maybe dawood wud hv been another chota rajan or haji masttaan?

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This is for Tajender,

Nationals from these countries have been banned to visit Kuwait. -
Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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@pankaj, I did not come to UK , paggybacking on my dad. I came after qualifying as a doctor in calcutta , and pased the exam which has candidated from all over the third world. I hold an Indian passport in contrast to NRI internet hindus.
I fully endorse your view that it is possible to understand thing better from USA/UK because of easy access to information (though according to a blogger from east delhi named Ashish , “it doesn’t make any difference if you are from UK or Timbakhty.”To which I say “It bloody well does mate)
On one hand you put so much importance on the power of symbolism , yet it eludes you what that word RAM RAJYA can symbolically stand for muslims.
Got work to do will return later, I am working today though sunday(probably unheard in India)

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shaan, Was Bose a brahmin? and to my understanding the bengali Bose is a orignal migrant from Kanauj ie”the cow belt”.Now waiting for the epileptic fit to kick in.

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@ Vinod Sharma

It looks like free for all on your blog site. Fellow bloggers hardly responded to the subject of your blog. I am not surprised at your indifference to the posts..
BNA

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The best thing to hapen to India was Pakistan. So that men like tajender , duplicitous deceitful bigots who believed in a religious state, with even deceitful names to hide their identity, can have a homeland , where riminals and barbarians , from JeM to Let, from Jinnah to Yahya to Zia to Kayani, can live and prosper.

So why are Aurngzeb-jinnahAl-Qaida-Taleban’s progeny poking their nose here as Pakistan lives under the rule of drones, al-qaida and every possible terrorist organization ?

Indians , irrespective of religion, are blessed to have the adherants of Jinnah’s bigoted and dirty political-religious ideology , out of India into ‘land of the pure’ also known as trashcan of the world.

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RAJIV how u reach to conclusion that jinnah was bigoted.i request to read his first speech after indenpence.even advani told that he was great secular humanist.dont believe what u are told.study urslf.india needs people like him.

aurangzeb was demonized by britishers.he was a fakir ruler.it is only under his rule that indian eonomy surpassed chinese economy.india was economic superpower with 25%gdp of world.
he was exampetary ruler.he was earning his personal expenses for himself by stiching caps and writing holy quran in night.after his death his earning through caps was distributed among hindus while his earning through holy quran was distributed among muslims.he had 36%hindus in his capital.all glittering temples in india were built during moghul rule.temples of chitrakoot were built on his instruction and financial support.lot of lies are spreaded among hindus through rss shakhas
.being fascists they are liars u have to double check what they say.
britishers preapared history to divide indians which we never change like anyother thing.

talibanis are against pakistan and america.not hindus or india.

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aurangzeb was demonized by britishers.he was a fakir ruler.it is only under his rule that indian eonomy surpassed chinese economy.india was economic superpower with 25%gdp of world.
he was exampetary ruler.he was earning his personal expenses for himself by stiching caps and writing holy quran in night.after his death his earning through caps was distributed among hindus while his earning through holy quran was distributed among muslims.he had 36%hindus in his capital.all glittering temples in india were built during moghul rule.temples of chitrakoot were built on his instruction and financial support.lot of lies are spreaded among hindus through rss shakhas
.being fascists they are liars u have to double check what they say.
britishers preapared history to divide indians which we never change like anyother thing

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RAJIV how u reach to conclusion that jinnah was bigoted.i request to read his first speech after indenpence.even advani told that he was great secular humanist.dont believe what u are told.study urslf.india needs people like him

talibans are against pakistan and america not india.

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@PANKAJ. I liked your style of writing and very pleased to hear that you too are a doc- licensed to kill. Doctors make excellent political and social commentators because for most part of their training and career, they interact with the common man, and the poor.
It gives them a unique insight into life. Maybe some later go into pure private practice and lose touch with reality. A lot of my comments on the comparitive outlooks of Hindu-sikhs, Jews, whites, muslims and Afro-caribbeans is gleaned from my interactions with them. A 20 minute apt in my clinic sometimes becomes a political free for all.
I see you are from MAMC. Did you know that they have the reputation of having the rowdiest reunion parties and hv actually been banned from some hotels in UK. Ha

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I notice when I said that Advani was a decent but misguided individual and the failure of the BJP to shine at the national level may be indirectly related to the rath yatra, I did not get much flak.

So, Rajiv, let us set the cat among the pigeons. I notice that the mention of Jinnah and partition leaves you very angry, and certainly the deaths of ? half a million should.
BUT I SAY TO YOU, IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED WOULD YOU AND I NOT WANT A HINDU NATION IN HINDU MAJORITY AREAS, IN A VAST MUSLIM LAND? Jinnah miscalculated the orgy of communal violence but as a lawyer and leader of his muslim quom, was he a criminal to articulate the demand of his people ?
I shall be back in an hour, going out to buy a bullet proof jacket.

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@pak-i tajender,

Jinnah was just not a bigot but a duplicitious heinous criminal, who neds to be hanged as many times as many Hindus, sikhs and muslims were murdered in 1947 riots.
If you really want to read Jinnah, go and read Jinnah’s speech in annual Muslim conference in Lahore in 1940 or so. His speech there is no different from the speech of criminals in Lashker-e-toiba, JeM and such criminal organixations. His speech after getting Pakistan is irrelevant as he did nothing to stop the cold blooded murder of Hindus in Pakistan while Gandhi did his best to protect Muslims in India, is anathor reminder of what a thug and criminal Jinnah was.
Thats the reason why 85% Indian Muslims, including greats like Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, chose to stay in India, while Jinnah got his religious thug state and went on to murder all Hindus and Sikhs.

Criminals like Aurgzeb, Jinnah, LeT chief, JeM chief are jewels in the crown of the Islamic , criminal entity of Pakistan and thugs and petty criminals like tajender live there.
Just stay there .

Its great that the thugs who beleived in Jinnah the criminal and the ar

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@Kushagra , sorry to spoil your party
Ravi Reply:
November 7th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

SHAN

The RATIONALIST AND HUMANIST. .

You don’t know the meanings of the word. Your basic instincts are those of a HINDU FUNDO. That is because you are a H I N D U …F U N D O.

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@ Fake Tajendar

Till you post under ur real name of Moot Andar hussain Tur-d your motives are always suspect.

I think you take too much space repeating the same Pakistani lies thru their tainted histroy books.

If Jinnah was so m uch against partition and nehru and Gandhi werre the causes of partition, why don’t you start a movement in your Pakistan that let us undo partition and join the great Indian secular republic as a state ??

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@ Shenoy

The funniest story on Aurangzewb was given to me by a leftist history professor. he said that we should consider jazia as some sort of property and sales tax of that era !

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@ Everyone

Fake Tajendar’s comments just prove what I have been saying. The treachery, torture and murder committed by jehadis is justified at each step by the Pak-shit-stani education system thru brainwahing !!

— RESULT OF REVERSE BRAINWASHING EXPERIMENT … FAILURE !

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Why Jinnah and his ideology even worse than Taleban, Aal-Qqaida and much more heinous
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Taleban, Al-Qaida, LeT, JeM did not kill millions of inncocents in 1947 and 1971.
Jinnah , Muslim league and Jinnah’ ideology of statehood based on religious identity did.

People forget that absolute carnage and killing of Hindus and Sikhs happened in Jinnah’s Pakistan, in 1947-48, much before Zia or Taleban or LeT came.
LeT, Qaida did not reduce Hindu Sikhs in West Pakistan from 22-25% of population to 1 pct.
Jinnah and his Pakistan did so, much before general Zzia-ul-Haq came.

Congress, Gandhi, Nehru did not fight for a religious state of Hindus but a secular state.
Gandhi considered Hindus and Muslims as his two eyes, equally dear. However, it was Jinnah’s ideology that emphasized religious denomination as the supreme identity , over-riding everything else and negating everything else.

Never forget, the first mass riots happened in 1946. engineered and planned by Jinnah and Muslim league, in direct action day in the bloody august of 1946. 1 year before 1947.

Why just 1947 ? In 1971, that same state born out of criminal bigotry, killed million and more Bengali Muslims and Hindus. 10 million refugees fled East Pakistan as Jinah’s state unleashed mass carnage.

Pakistan is born out of blood of the innocent, born out of hate and is cursed by the millions of innocent Hindu, Muslim and Sikhs who have been killed by the state ideology in 1947, 1971 and through out its history.

As compard to what Jinnah and his Muslim league and his ieology did, Taleban and Alqaida, look like small time petty criminals.

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rajiv, I respect your anguish over the zillion atrocities committed by the Islamists. But with due respect neither you nor Vijay has answered my question.
I said imagine if the roles were reversed. Imagine if we hindu-sikhs were to be a substantial minority in a huge muslim land about to become independent of the Europeans.
Would we not have said- we are in majority in these areas, we do not wish to live under Islamic culture. We would like to have our own nation.

Anything wrong with that?
Do you know Jinnah tried to have a big Pakistan which would include the sikhs and even some Rajput kingdoms? Jinnah is too complex a man to be button holed in the same category as Taleban

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@Mishra,
You confuse a irreligious man like Jinnah, with secularism. In his personal life, he was not a ptacticing Muslim. He could not read Urdu but planned to force Urdu down the throat of Bengali Muslims in East Pakistan.

Yes he drank wine, ate pork, married outside Islam and then disowned his daughter when she did exactly the same thing, married a Parsi. Dos that make him secular ? No , it makes him a hypocrite, duplicitous man with no conscience and ethics. When his political career required that he mouth secularism, he did so. When he thought his political career would be helped by arguing how Muslims and Hindus cannot live together and make religion his supreme identity, he did so.
He showed no remorse when more than 5000 people were butchered on his call for ‘Day of direct action in 1946 August.”. He often mocked Gandhi and had a small, mean character.
He was a monster and a vile one at that.

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Rajiv, I agree with you wholeheartedly when you talk of Jinnah’s complicity in Direct Action day. And thank you for informing me about the fate of Mandal, if I remember correctly, he was given a cabinet post in the first Pak cabinet.

But you have still not addressed the question- I repeat-

I said imagine if the roles were reversed. Imagine if we hindu-sikhs were to be a substantial minority in a huge muslim land about to become independent of the Europeans.
Would we not have said- we are in majority in these areas, we do not wish to live under Islamic culture. We would like to have our own nation.

Anything wrong with that?

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news item on Mondal from daily times, Pak

The Great Calcutta Killing, as the events starting August 16 came subsequently to be known, set off a series of Hindu-Muslim violence in various parts of India, the deadliest being in the eastern Bengal district of Noakhali on October 10 where Hindus were targeted. Many viewed that as a direct response to the Calcutta carnage, which Muslims believed had left more of their own community dead, injured and homeless.

Mandal worked ceaselessly to help restore normalcy, going around the district and its surrounding areas from village to village and calling upon his followers to stay away from the frenzy. He also saved the Muslim League government from falling in Bengal. Immediately after the Calcutta riots, a no-confidence motion was moved against Suhrawardy.

Together with his group of scheduled caste legislators, Mandal was able to bring around not just another four assembly members from the Harijan community who had earlier sided with the Congress but also an additional four belonging to the Anglo-Indian group.

Before the month of October 1946 ended, Mandal was taken completely by surprise when Suhrawardy, on the instructions of Jinnah, approached him with the offer of a seat as a Muslim League nominee in the contemplated joint Congress-League interim government of India that was to oversee the transition of power from the British rule to the two new states of India and Pakistan that were to emerge after partition.

He left Bengal for New Delhi to take up his position as law minister in the cabinet headed by Nehru. He was one among just four Muslim League nominees. After the creation of Pakistan, he moved to Karachi. Such was the trust reposed in him by Jinnah that Mandal came to occupy the prestigious position of chairman of Pakistan’s first constituent assembly. He was subsequently appointed law minister — a position he held till he resigned.

The resignation letter he addressed to Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan on October 8, 1950 is an eye-opener. The 8,000-word document is a painful record of the entire period of Mandal’s crucial and unstinting support to the Muslim League for the creation of a homeland where the millions condemned by caste Hindus could lead a free and peaceful life as equal citizens. That included not only his own community of the achhoot but the equally despised Muslims — the maleechh (impure or unclean).

Jinnah had reinforced the same vision for Pakistan in the policy statement he made at the opening session of the constituent assembly on August 11, 1947. But the country he had created was already lost to him and usurped by a coterie of carpetbaggers within his most trusted lieutenants. What better proof of that than the fact that the same historic speech of Jinnah was censored by the government of Pakistan?

Mandal’s resignation letter is a must read for all those who want to understand where, how and when Pakistan went wrong and who started it all. Most horrifying are the details of the excesses against innocent Hindu men and women by the early rulers and the army of Pakistan as recorded by Mandal. At one point, he notes that the only reason the abduction and rape of Hindu girls in East Pakistan had reduced to a certain extent was that no caste Hindu girl between the age of 12 and 30 had been left in the province by then.

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The rot in Pakistan did not start with Zia or Taleban or Aal-Qaida.
It started 50 years before them with Jinnah, Suarwardy, Liaqat .

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@Mishra

Excerpt from Presidential address by Jinnah at annual Muslim league conference in Lahore, 1940

Here Jinnah is arguing why Muslims cannot live in a Hindu majority state and is heaping scorn on Gandhi/Nehru/Congress concept of nationality that is not based on religion.
From 1940-1947, Jinnah became even more cunning and scheming figure trying to prove why Muslims cannot live in undivided India.

“It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders; and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, and literature[s]. They neither intermarry nor interdine together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects [=perspectives?] on life, and of life, are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, their heroes are different, and different episode[s]. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent, and final. destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state.
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This is not some theocratic mullah or Taleban arguing. Its Jinnah making a case why Muslims cannot live in a non-Muslim majority state.
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So as per Jinnah’s logic, Hindus cannot live in Muslim majority state and Muslims in Hindu majority state.
Jinnah was right about Pakistan, where Hindu and Sikhs were killed or expelled and practicaly wiped out.
However, Jinnah was wrong about India, as Muslims in overwhelming majority chose to stay in India and today make the same % of the population in the territories that make India today, as they did before partition.

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@ Dr Mishra

I think by putting up such questions you only give a handle to fanatic Islamic terrorists to justify their actions.

Since you stay in UK you may be well awarre that a substantial portion of the population is now Asian.

Now do you see any movement o convert this into a HIndu-Sikh or Buddhist state?

No you won’t.

Ah, yes there is a movement among some Mulsims to have separate Islamic laws. Sharia and a strong conversion program so that eventually the UK becomes Muslim.

Got your anwer Dr mishra??

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Vijay Kumar,

I too have answered Dr. Mishra’s question, hypothetical, as he claims.

These two different replies should rest Mishraji’s troubled mind restless spirit..

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Panditji have got it horribly wrong. Hinduism is not a congregational religion. Also Post British , hindu intelligentia has moulded itself on the image of LIBERAL HUMANISTIC SECULAR SCIENTIFIC protestant societies.Islam is an alien religion , and its HQ is in the sands of arabia. ESSENTIALLY ISLAM IS THE NATIONAL IDENTITY OF ARABS. The subcontinental FRANCHISEE had no scope like their hindu brethren to reorganise and reform AS THEY WERE A FRANCHISEE .
Also hinduism as jinnah rightly says is DIFFERENT. It is not built on the concept of QUOM.
Thus hindus cannot simply live as equals in a muslim country UNLESS THOSE COUNTRIES BECOME SECULAR. Islam has crystal clear rules about the NON BELEIVERS. Hindus also have fair share of prejudice , but then india did not become THEOCRACY.This is the reason WHY MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN WILL SELL THEIR SOUL TO LIVE FREELY LIKE A MUSLIM IN INDIA, WHEREAS HINDUS IN INDIA WOULD RATHER COMMIT SUICIDE THAN LIVE IN PAKISTAN.

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Shenoy, I enjoyed your humorous take on Aurangzeb above and agree with the comparison of different responses to Sai Baba and Christian evangelists. I disagree with with your observation that no one is interested in replying to my question as can be evidenced by the avalanche of replies above. In fact Dr Pankaj says- ….I liked your modus operendi, of throwing a provocative theme at audience and getting different views, instead of passively reacting to situation arising out of multitude of views.

Rajiv, thanks for your lovely long response about the dark days of the partition.
Vijay, your analogy about hindus in UK is apt.
Shan, your brief comment about time and culture softening differences is spot on.
Pankaj, I await your comments as you promised.

I will give my own take tonight. Thank you all

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~~ ~~ BRAVE TALIBAN KILL THE INFIDEL PAKSISTANI NAVY ~~ ~~~

For all the soft hearts who blamed India, Mossad and CIA for the actions of the Taliban should rejoice now. After all the brave Taliban has siezed the Pakistani naval base.

Question of the day? : Who gets the virgins? The suicide bombers who blow themselves up or the
Navy men who died? Some Pakistani should answer that.

Big question for all of us: Since some Chinese engineers have been killed, should we not warn China
about the rabid dog of terrorism it is feeding by breeding Pakistan.

And

Should not the UN capture the Paksitani nukes before masood azhar and
Hafeez Saeed get them?

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~~~ ~~~ ISI PAJAMAS FALL !! SAB CHOR AUR DARPOK ~~~ ~~

One blog back, we were all talking about the ISI. Some posters believed that the evil ISI is a thoroughly professional agency which is better than Mossad and RAW and CIA.

Look whatg is happening in ISI land!!

OSama ki maut hui…

Pakistani army ke cadet blow up ho gaye

And the naval base is being used to get virgins !!!

Arre baba the ISI is no gorilla !! If its own cannibals can kill Pak-shit-stanis, we can buy some rogue ISI guys to achieve our strategic goals.

Only thing we have to realise is that the Pakistani security establishment is truely a terrorist organisation. it is capapble of killing and murder like the Hizbul and Jaish. That is why it commits crimes against humanity like bombing our embassy in Afghanistan or 26/11.

We have to have this mindset to make this terror organisation KHASSI !!

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Mishraji, bhaut khush keeta. Tusi mirchhaan laga detey ho. What a brilliant way of provoking a response on a question that has relevance even today.
My answer would be that there are relatively fewer differences between the Irish and the English, and many more between the muslims and the hindus/sikhs. And yet the 3 million Irish strained every ounce of their strentgh for independence.
And tehn having got their independence from UK, they join the EU where independence stands for nothing as an Irishman can walk into London, work here, buy a retirement flat in Spain and have his pension fund in rich Germany.
so, azaadi is confusing. Jo aaj hai, woh kal nahin. What applied in 1920-40- the fear the paranoia, may not be there today. Or may be less.

And shenoy, you seem to have missed the discussion completely for you seem to think in very black and white, but as many responses above have shown, there a lot of greys as well. AND COLOURS.

There is a reason why Zia’s blog was the most popular, and Mishraji’s brilliant political analysis was one of them. The others were Gopi and Syed

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Shan beta, first time i could not find fault with 2 paragraphs you have written- normally you are my punch bag.
DID THE SUN ARISE FROM THE WEST TODAY ??? hehe
or have you had neural surgery

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oye vinod ji, why when this sardar says something nice you turn page. my boli will not be ignored-

Mishraji, bhaut khush keeta. Tusi mirchhaan laga detey ho. What a brilliant way of provoking a response on a question that has relevance even today.
My answer would be that there are relatively fewer differences between the Irish and the English, and many more between the muslims and the hindus/sikhs. And yet the 3 million Irish strained every ounce of their strentgh for independence.
And tehn having got their independence from UK, they join the EU where independence stands for nothing as an Irishman can walk into London, work here, buy a retirement flat in Spain and have his pension fund in rich Germany.
so, azaadi is confusing. Jo aaj hai, woh kal nahin. What applied in 1920-40- the fear the paranoia, may not be there today. Or may be less.

And shenoy, you seem to have missed the discussion completely for you seem to think in very black and white, but as many responses above have shown, there a lot of greys as well. AND COLOURS.

There is a reason why Zia’s blog was the most popular, and Mishraji’s brilliant political analysis was one of them. The others were Gopi and Syed

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~~ ~~~ THE ISI IS A LAURAL AND HARDY JOKE…. HA HA AH !!! ::D ~~

Jehadis enjoying suhag raat in jannat !!! WAH WAH !!

The attack on the Naval base, the blowing up of cadets, the Osama Bin Laden comedy has exposed ISI as a bumbling blundering organisarion which runs for money.

Let us buy some suicide bombers in Pak-shit-stan and get them to blow themselves at the ISI offices !!

HA AHA AHA AH!!

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Dr. Mishra,

you posed a question, a hypothetical one, thus:

“if the roles were reversed. Imagine if we hindu-sikhs were to be a substantial minority in a huge muslim land about to become independent of the Europeans.
Would we not have said- we are in majority in these areas, we do not wish to live under Islamic culture. We would like to have our own nation. Anything wrong with that?”

Vijay Kumar and Rajiv replied to the same, but, you said, “rajiv, I respect your anguish over the zillion atrocities committed by the Islamists. But with due respect neither you nor Vijay has answered my question.”

Again Rajiv attempted an answer, still you said, “But you have still not addressed the question- I repeat-….”

Ravi too “attempted” in an oblique way by saying, “One does not have to imagine anything in order to be able to answer your question”

Pankaj ji too respionded thus:Mishraji; I would like to enter the debate you have initiated but it is getting late in the day…….”

It was at this stage that I said that nobody cares to reply to your question.

But, still, I replied that “Simply put, the roles can never be reversed.”

If there was an avalanche of responses to your question, the way you wanted it answered, I am not finding it. May be it is hidden within so many other things said here.

In all seriousness, I would suggest that you, Dr. Mishra, study carefully, what Vijay Kumar said in response.

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Prabhat,

you said, “@ Shenoy

Just hope you don’t inspire him enough to embrace you in gratitude while blowing himself up.”

Earlier, you brought back Ravi just when he was all set to be kicked out of this blog. This Tur-d scum too gets a lot of encouragement from you, which he values greatly and is grateful for. Thus, with these Pakistanis you are very popular. Therefore, you are most likely- not likely, but surely to be embraced by them when they blow themselves up on their way to heaven for the rendezvous with the 72 virgins. They would want you too to have a bit of diversion and a lot of fun.

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@ Shenoy

Moderation is the key.

Don’t try to drive people away.

Involve people. Don’t incite.

Engage them. Don’t exclude.

Demonstrate them the possibilities. Don’t demonise .

People say you are a creative person.

Be creative.

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shenoy, dont know what got into you. There has been an avanlanche of responses to a very probing question- see above-

shan says- hinduism as jinnah rightly says is DIFFERENT. It is not built on the concept of QUOM.
Thus hindus cannot simply live as equals in a muslim country UNLESS THOSE COUNTRIES BECOME SECULAR

vijay kumar says- Since you stay in UK you may be well awarre that a substantial portion of the population is now Asian. Now do you see any movement o convert this into a HIndu-Sikh or Buddhist state?

Pankaj said- I liked your modus operendi, of throwing a provocative theme at audience and getting different views

ravi said- I believe that in the scenario you paint the Hindus would have asked for a partition and bloodshed would have followed

rajiv said- So as per Jinnah’s logic, Hindus cannot live in Muslim majority state and Muslims in Hindu majority state.

to a neutral eye, a brilliant and incisive debate followed when I and others disagreed or agreed with Mishraji. This cyberblog is called INDIA- various vibrant colours of a rainbow. You are somehow trying to denigrate the brutal question that mishraji asked and the very animated replies by others, incl rajiv who poured his heart out in his pain of partition.

Dont know why u do that- is it jealousy of the ‘new boys’ on the blog or the fact that ‘yeh aapka sonia digvinash ka gaana ho gaya purana’

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rajiv said- So as per Jinnah’s logic, Hindus cannot live in Muslim majority state and Muslims in Hindu majority state

SATTAR CHOOHE KHA KE BILLI HAJ KO CHALEE.hindu zoinists perpetuated more than 600 communal riots after partition killing thousands of innocent india.without being punisheed.
CHOR MACHAI SHOOR.

now isreal based abhinav bharat which is commiting bomb blasting.from purohit to assemanand are brhmn terrorist.muslims were caught by police.

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Actually it is a misconception to label the Brahminical acts of terror as “Hindu terror”. For, Brahmins are not Hindu and Hindu are not Brahmins. Will the Home Minister release and seek an unconditional apology from all the innocent Muslim boys falsely accused and arrested in the blasts or his statement is merely the recognition of the grave wrongs committed by our Brahmin
terrorists.
brhmns are foreigners if they dont leave their habit of terrorism and they should boycotted and isolated.

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Hopefully now, given the facts that Jinnah and his Muslim league and its adherant criminals , killed more populace in 1947, 1947-1971 , including millions of Bengali Muslims and have annhilated Hindu-Sikh population in West Pakistan, long before Taleban or Zia-ul-Haq came, we cam move on to Jinnah’s other quote, often quoted in Pak press “Every successive government in Pakistan, will be worse than its previous one”.

I guess he was just trying to say, while he himself as a great criminal, the others that would follow him would be greater. Well I disagree. In the history of the subsontinent , there has never been a greater killer and thug than Jinnah .
****-tajinder is the progeny of his ideology, just as Lashker-e-toiba, Jaish-e-mohammad are.
There is no solution.
Just isolate them and let them self-destruct , as all evel must.

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This is an excerpt from the book ‘ My life with the Taliban’ by Abdul Salam Zaeef – Afghan ambassador to Pakistan from 2000-2001
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“Pakistan is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody. They deceive the Arabs under the guise of Islamic nuclear power, saying that they are defending Islam and Islamic countries. They milk America and Europe in the alliance against terrorism, and they have been deceiving Pakistani and other Muslims around the world in the name of Kashmiri jihad. But behind the curtain, they have been betraying everyone.

Their Islam and their jihad were to destroy their neighbouring Islamic country together with the infidels. They handed over their airports to the Americans so they could kill Muslims and destroy an Islamic country. Their loyalty to the Arabs is so great that they sold diplomats, journalists and mujahideen for dollars. Like animals. God knows whether they will ever use their nuclear bombs to defend Muslims and Islam. They might use their weapons- as they have used everything else- against Muslims ”

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Conclusion : Any engagement with a wilfully, dishonest entity, dedicated to deceit, will end in getting defrauded. India has been deceived repeatedly following talks and more billions USA rushes to Pakistan the more it gets defrauded and deceived.

Only fools would suggest engagement with such an entity.
Only protection is disangagement and isolation. Let evel self-dstruct.
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Hopefully now, given the facts that Jinnah and his Muslim league and its adherant criminals , killed more populace in 1947, 1947-1971

all bullshit and wrong.rss(rumour spreading society )was the secret instigator of holocaust.jinnah did had any terrorist organization like rss.some thing he might have said out of provocation.he was honest secular person.u 2%brhmnst have enslaved india.for that lie and cheating is must.

muslims acted in reaction holocaust and murder was started by hindu zoinist.for u preapared urslf for in 50 years.u silenced even ghadhi who was asking for peace.

there are three forces of tyranny at work in this world: religious, economic, and political. Whereas the ideals for humanity are unity, justice and liberty, these elitist forces are based on counter-ideals of division, inequity and oppression. Naturally, therefore, all conflicts in human history invariably involve a struggle against one or more of these forces.

India pre-1947 is no exception. In fact, in the early 20th century India’s people were subjected not to one form of tyranny, but to all the three.

Economically, India’s poorest were the victims of vicious money-lending and landlord systems — mostly (though not wholly) controlled by Hindus. Whilst the Congress formally adopted a socialist policy, most of its top leaders were also capitalists. The driving influence of both the economy and the politics was Brahminist idealism, as manifested in the caste system permeating the Indian societal fabric from the top downward.

u started voilence and continuing it by planting bomb here and there and blaming it on muslims.
i told u before u are secret insitagors of all holocaust in the sucontinent including 26/11.

The socio-political problems are a collective symptom of an old psychological problem
From an international perspective, today it is economically and politically strong, and it is officially the world’s largest democracy; but according to those millions still living at the bottom strata of its society, hardly anything has changed at all since independence. They have not benefited from India’s material successes, and the reason is rooted in history.

We need not ask whether the Pakistan demand was a serious one or not. The divisive nature of Brahminism made some sort of Hindu-Muslim separation inevitable.that is why i wrote earlier,

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Brahminism is, , the root cause of our poverty, corruption, exploitation, backwardness, illiteracy, and more than anything hate-mongering resulting in reckless violence

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please note that brhmnsm means indians with ideology of rss or indian zoinists.u have not to be brhmn to be brhmnst.hardly 10%brhmns are with rss.

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sorry shenoy, you said- “”"B.V.SHENOY Reply: Dr. Mishra, …. either the question is from a twisted mind or that it is really a very silly question.”"”

shenoy saheb, I go on these blogs MAINLY for the comments. I learn more here- ghar baithey history aur sociology ka paath. Ane Dr Mishra’s question is brutal- puts you on the spot. So I disagree with you, the question was neither silly nor was it from a twisted mind.

And I loved the responses to it even more- esp rajiv, vijay, shan, ravi. The ersponses were even more brilliant, and some disagreed with mishraji. But that is what is called a think tank. Think tanks think in colour, your world is too b/w. sorry

AND BELIEVE ME, IT GIVES ME CONSTIPATION TO PRAISE RAVI AND SHAN. oh how i am suffering today hehe

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Another gem from Nadeem F. Paracha. This is called humour not some lame jokes from some old farts
http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/13/extra-extra-mullah-omar-arrested-in-pakistan.html
Extra! Extra! Mullah Omar arrested in Pakistan
BY NADEEM F. PARACHA ON MAY 13TH, 2011 | COMMENTS (207)

ISLAMABAD: In a daring raid, Saudi Special Forces arrested renegade Afghan leader, Mullah Omar, from a famous five-star hotel located in one of Pakistan’s most popular vacation spots – Bhurban.

The news spread like wildfire and people were seen cursing the Pakistani government for allowing the Americans to undermine Pakistan’s sovereignty – again.

However, when it became clear that the raid was not conducted by the Americans but the Saudis, the frowns turned into smiles and many were heard saying, ‘Jazzakallah!’

Only minutes after the raid, Pakistan’s prime minister and Army Chief appeared on state-owned television and congratulated the nation and thanked the Saudi regime for helping Pakistan in its war against terror.

Interestingly, religious parties like Jamaat-i-Islami, (JI) Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI) and some banned sectarian organisations, along with Imran Khan’s Pakistan Thereek-i-Insaf (PTI) which had originally called a joint press conference to condemn the raid, changed their stance half-way through the conference when told that the raid was by Saudi forces and not the Americans.

Munawar Hussain, JI, chief, was first heard lambasting Pakistan’s PPP-led civilian government for letting the country’s sovereignty be violated by the Americans, but after a reporter confirmed that the raid was executed by Saudi forces, Munawar turned to Imran Khan and embraced him.

‘Mahshallah!’ he exclaimed. “Today is a glorious day for our Islamic republic!”

Imran Khan and JUI chief Fazalur Rehman had earlier questioned the real identity of the man arrested from the five-star hotel, saying that even if it was Mullah Omar, we should be ashamed because Omar was a freedom fighter, conducting a liberation war against the Americans.

However, after it became clear that the arrest was made by Saudi forces, both Imran and Fazal then claimed that Mullah Omar was no friend of Pakistan and that he was not even a Muslim.

In a joint statement, JI, JUI and PTI, congratulated the nation and said that they had been saying all along that the Taliban were Pakistan’s greatest enemies and should be exterminated.

The statement also said that the PTI and JI will continue to hold sit-ins against American drones which were parachuting evil men like Mullah Omar into Pakistan and violating the sovereignty of the country. For this, the statement suggested, that Ahmad Shah Abdali should be invited to invade Pakistan and defeat the Americans.

When told that Abdali died almost two hundred years ago, PTI and JI termed this to be nothing more than western propaganda.

Imran Khan added, that from now on he should be addressed as Imran of Ghaznavi and that one of Pakistan’s most prominent revolutionary and youngest nuclear physicists, Zohair Toru, was building anti-drone missiles.

Toru, who was also present at the conference, confirmed this while licking a lemon flavoured popsicle. He said it was a very hot day and popsicles helped him concentrate.

Meanwhile, a military spokesman also held a press conference to give the media a briefing on the details of the raid.

He said the raid was executed by Saudi Special Forces who came from Saudi military bases in Riyadh.

The helicopters then landed on Margala Hills in Islamabad. On the lush hills, Saudi soldiers disembarked from the copters, got on camels and rode all the way to Bhurban in broad daylight.

They were twice stopped at checkpoints by Pakistani Rangers but were allowed to cross when some Saudi soldiers said something to the rangers in Arabic. It is believed that the Saudis promised the Rangers jobs in Saudi Arabia.

An eyewitness claims the Rangers smiled and waved to the departing camels, cheering ‘marhaba, marhaba.’

The camel army reached the five-star hotel in Bhurban at 11:00 am and right away rode their way into the sprawling premises.

The camels were also carrying rocket launchers, sub-machineguns, pistols, grenades and popcorn, all concealed in large ‘Dubai Duty Free’ shopping bags.

The military spokesman added that although the Pakistan Army had no clue about the raid, there were a dozen or so Pakistani military personnel present at the hotel.

When asked whether these men questioned the camel riders, the spokesman said that they did see the armed camels enter the hotel but the military men were at the time more interested in interrogating a 77-year-old Caucasian male whom they had arrested for smoking in a non-smoking area.

“After the Abbottabad incident, we are keeping a firm eye on Europeans and Americans,” the spokesman said.

Even though the white man turned out to be an old Polish tourist, the spokesman praised the military men’s vigilance. “Our country’s sovereignty is sacred,” he added.

According to the Pakistan military, the Saudis then rode their camels into one of the hotel’s kitchens and fired teargas shells.

This way they smoked out the chefs and their staff out into the open. From these, a Saudi commander got hold of a one-eyed chef with an untidy beard.

The Saudi commander looked at the chef and compared his face to a photograph he was carrying. He asked: ‘Al-Mullah-ul-Omar?’ To which the chef was reported to have said: “No, al-chicken jalfrezi. Also make very tasty mutton kebabs.”

The commander then asked, ‘Al-Afghani?’ to which the chef said, “Yes make Afghani tikka too. You want?”

A reporter asked the military spokesman whether the Pakistani military men present at the hotel witnessed the operation. The spokesman answered in affirmative but said they didn’t take any action after confirming that Pakistan’s sovereignty was not being violated.

The reporter then asked how the military men determined that Pakistan’s sovereignty was not being violated. Answering this, the spokesman said that since the camel riders were speaking Arabic there was thus no reason for the military to charge them with violating Pakistan’s sovereignty.

This statement made the media men at the press conference very happy and they consequently began applauding and raising emotional slogans praising Islam, ISI and palm trees.

Soon after the announcement that Mullah Omar was arrested by Saudi forces, the country’s private TV channels became animated. One famous TV talk-show host actually decided to host his show in a Bedouin tent. Instead of a chair, he sat on a camel wearing a Pakistan Army uniform.

Though most of his guests — that included prominent ex-generals, clergymen and strategic analysts — praised the operation and heaped scorn at Mullah Omar, there was one guest, a small-time journalist, who disagreed with the panelists.

He asked how a wanted man like Mullah Omar was able to live in Pakistan undetected and that too while working as a chef in a famous five-star hotel. He also said that Mullah Omar had also been appearing on various cooking shows as a chef on various food channels.

To this, the host snubbed the journalist telling him that he was asking irrelevant questions.

‘But before this operation, everyone was supporting the Taliban and telling us they were fighting a liberation war against the Americans,’ the journalist protested.

‘No,’ said the host, ‘it was the civilian government that was in cahoots with the Taliban. It should resign.’

‘No,’ the journalist replied, ‘it was our agencies!’

This made the host angry and he slapped the journalist. He threatened the journalist by saying that he would lodge a case against him in accordance with the Islamic hudood ordinance.

The journalist responded by saying that the Saudis had violated Pakistan’s sovereignty. Hearing this, the host slapped the journalist again, saying he will get him booked for blasphemy.

At the end of the show the host and the panelists burned an American flag and sang the Pakistani national anthem in Arabic. Then, after handing over the treacherous journalist to the authorities, they proceeded to Saudi Arabia to perform hajj.

However, they were soon deported by the Saudi regime for violating Saudi sovereignty.

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Dr Pankaj, sorry sir, just that both Prabhat and I felt shenoy was driving punters away.
But- scalpal, FMAC ??- you lost me there

rajiv, great link to paracha- but in future maybe just the link is enough rather than this long cut / paste

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Mishraji;
Still lot of work is pending but this blog has a power of magnet and forces me to come back again and again. Ok, so many thoughts making a khichdi in my mind and putting them in sequence is difficult. Your theme or your your question, that had we been a Hindu majority area in predominant muslim area, would we have not asked for separate nation?
When you say Muslim dominant area, and one very good sample is Tajinder, Tajinders in majority and my neighbours, not one but in hundreds, even calmpose will not work. OK take another example, Bengal, muslim majority, did hindus asked and initiated demand for partition, no sir, it was muslims, who started with Noakhali. Now, I transpose my self in UK, I am in majority, in say south hall or Leicester, and a situation arises, which says, you can declare your self as a hindu or sikh nation and will have no british influence on you, how many people will opt for that situation, this is my poser to you. Now, I am not saying about Bradford, but even in areas, where muslims are not even, 5% of population, are we hearing slogans of we will make britain a muslim nation eventually? Open complaints from Hindus, Sikhs, and even Chrisitans, who form a majority of UK, that muslims are targetting their women folks for pleasure or conversion, keeping their women folk in pardas, while rest of the communities are not interested in converting anybody by this coersive method. Now I leave to your judgement, what you would do in this situation, or what hindus/Sikhs will do in this situation, (minus Muslim influence, taking this is pure Hindus/Sikh versus britishers affair). In my mind, response is obvious.
Just an aside, Tajinder is a member state, here, rest of the people are member of this UN, Vinod is UN Secretary General/ no he is in fact KHUDA, jis ki bolti jab chahe band karden. Ek Tajinder sambhal nahin raha hai, since he has become insane with indoctrination, aur Aap kahten hai millions of Tajinders ke beech main raho. Kab tak jinda bachenge.

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Paid article.

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Don’t get delirious, Sujatha. Regain your senses. Mr. Modi is still very much here and will be here for a long time. Just chill, my dear.

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Hello congress paid agent. Why did you mention other judge judgement that goes against governer?

http://deshgujarat.com/2012/01/19/and-full-text-of-justice-soniaben-gokanis-judgement-on-lokayukta-that-goes-against-governor/

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“Very few people may have noticed it but in the recent panchayat elections in the state, 70 per cent of the local self government bodies have gone to the Congress and only 30 per cent to the BJP”

oh god, the lady has no clue how Panchayat Elections are fought. Panchayat Elections are not fought on party symbols. So no party can have any claim on that. And as far as Congress’ 70% winning is concerned, they make this false claim every year. Don’t believe me, check the records.

& rest of the article is equally @#$%^&*

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P. Chidambaram saved the government’s bacon after 26 / 11. Had Shivraj Patil continued till the general election, Bombay’s tryst with terror would have extracted a high political price. One hopes he can do enough with the economy to give UPA II a fighting chance in 2014.

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Sanghvi is so drunk on his hatred of MMS that he can’t see the appointment of Chidambaram for it is — a desperate attempt by the PM to save India’s sinking economy. The fact is that the PM of India has so much on his plate, that try as he might, he can’t give the economy his 100% attention, which is what it needs. Hence the need to bring in PC. This act of MMS is the very opposite of getting away from his role as a liberaliser.

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Awesome post! Check out my blog on theatre http://everybodyplays.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/antoine-artaud-a-theatre-of-cruelty-aesthetics/

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Well said. Why go far ? Once every five years or so, we have a much more authentic and larger sample size, upto 60% of the adult population, to tell us what the nation is thinking. For what it was worth, last year Anna’s movement delivered the government a dose of snake venom that almost paralysed its reflexes. Baba Ramadev, hairy armpits and all, is a bit of a caricature. A gentle nod to the agencies under the finance ministry and he will be spending a lot of quality time with his lawyers and chartered accountants.

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crowd, media, internet, mobile phones, can be a source to ignite a revolution but it cannot be one….any revolution agnst corruption will not succeed until it finds the root causes

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A USELESS ARTICLE FROM A GUY OF NIRA RADIA TAPE FAME.PLEASE STAND ANYWHERE IN DELHI TO SEE ,WHO COMES TO HEAR YOU.

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The number of Fashion weeks and themes to the shows might be over-doing it – there has to be a phase of consolidation in the industry and the different fashion events in India!

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