Obama takes out Osama



A careful reading of President Barak Obama’s speech announcing the death of Osama bin Laden raised more questions than it answered. He said little about the Pakistani involvement in the US-led operation except the passing mention that “our counter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding”.

No firm conclusions can be drawn from his address about the extent of Pakistani role in the capture and elimination of Osama in Abbottabad. It can be safely deduced, however, that US operatives couldn’t have taken out the al Qaeda chief in a ground combat without keeping the Pak Army and the ISI in the loop.

The giveaway is the terrain. The mansion where Osama took refuge is a short distance — a couple of kilometers actually — from the Pakistan Military Academy. The cantonment city named after British army officer — James Abbott — is the birthplace of Field Marshal Ayub Khan and the chosen redoubt of retired Pakistani servicemen. It stands to reason that the host country’s contribution to the operation was way more than what Obama stated in his address. Local authorities couldn’t have been oblivious of the assault reported last night by private television channels without taking the Osama name.

Given the very peculiar situation in Pakistan — where a section of the population considers the US a bigger evil than the al Qaeda — it suits pro-American elements in the politico-military establishment to play down their role in Osama’s killing. Little wonder then that the US President’s lines on Pakistan were carefully crafted: “Bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people… Tonight, I called President Zardari and my team also spoke with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations. And going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates.”

The question now staring Islamabad in the face is whether it’ll bear the brunt of the al Qaeda retaliation? It’s nobody’s case that the global campaign against terror is over. Abbottabad is just a battle won in the larger war with theatres across the world. Al Qaeda is a veritable brand name for independently operating, loosely networked terror groups in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Egypt and Libya.

What binds these entities are the faith they flaunt and the hatred they share for America and its allies worldwide. The US President conceded as much while announcing Osama’s death: “There is no doubt that al Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us…”

Anticipating the terror conglomerates’ retaliatory strikes in the name of Islam, Obama did well to reaffirm that the war against terror wasn’t a war against Islam. “The US is not — and never will be — at war with Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims,” he said.

Is the Islamic world listening? And agreeing? For starters, there are questions already about the US violating Pakistan’s sovereignty in Abbottabad. That was Pervez Musharraf’s take. A more strident Imran Khan wanted American troops out of the region — now that they’ve got their prize quarry.

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  • usman chaudhry

    Well written and beautifully summed within such short time.

    However, i dont think the war against Al-Qaida is over. Leaves nothing behind but more heads to fulfill the vacancy. As US forces withdraw some time next year choas will re emerge in the region to fight for the throne in Kabul. Don’t see that well situation for Pakistan as extremist elements will now go hand in hand from here till complete exit. Big caution for us!

    Can anyone share any link related to the corpse of the deceased?

    Usman,
    Pakistan

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Usman,
    There are two aspects of OBL episode.
    From American perspective, BHO might just have gained enough mileage to justify continued Military spending for “War On Terror”. My sense is it was getting politically difficult for the American President to justify this spending while the “Safety Net” (Social Security) is being trimmed / planned for trimming in the face of publicly voiced “Inflation Concerns” (something that corelates with reduced deficit spending) by his Administration. (For instance, you might want to read through Paul Krugman in NYT blog and Ezra Klein in WP – with their wonderful usage of “Word Cloud” technology to decipher Ben Bernanke’s message). IMHO, BHO is not projecting this episode for “Electoral Gains” , the public memory is far too short-lived for it. Plus the dire situation of American economy is weighing even more heavily on voters.
    What, in your opinion, is Pakistani side of the story ?
    So far, from the publicly available information Pakistan appears to have decided to register a complaint in UN against American Military action. But then this rhetoric, IMHO, still dwarfs in comparison with the reaction in Raymond Davis episode. So, what gives ?
    - Mahesh.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Amidst in economic crunch and financial bail outs, ever since Obama took charge as president he made it loud and clear about his priorities for health care and unemployment issues inside US rather than expenses outside. He sure had that in mind before giving ample time and space to pick the right moment.
    I too share the sentiment of justification you mentioned as to where on war is the money of tax payers going and that too not achieving anything significant for a reason they entered in Afghanistan. My personal opinion is this military operation and killing would come in as a tool to spread the voice of achieving some solid grounds against the terror organization and also to bring forces back home.

    Pakistani story:
    Nothing conclusive can be induced at current junction the authorities are silent over the issue. But by large in worse state where at one side the global community would target the inefficiency of the intelligence (an eye of suspicion), increase in terror activities inside Pakistan, more drone attacks and above all anger of general populace (ref: http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/03/the-great-deceit.html ).

    Yes, this is nothing as compared to Raymond Davis episode, already relations between the two countries are beginning to turn sour after the case became evident that Davis is a spy working in disguise for CIA.

    Usman

    p.s: Please excuse me for not holding a firm grip over nitty gritties of the incident, and the work of the two brilliance mentioned in Mahesh’s response. One may seek an independent opinion.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Usman

    The killing of OBL in a stealth operation by USA at a compound near the Pakistan Military Academy may turn out to be the mother of all embarrassments which your nation might have faced till now. What are your views? But whatever explanation your country gives, it will be a losing proposition in every way. If Pakistan says that it was not aware of the presence of OBL in Pakistan, that is not a happy situation. If it was knowing that OBL is living there , even then it is a no win situation. That Pakistan was taken by surprise about the commando operation, exposes the often boasts of its military establishments.
    My idea is not to embarrass you but an effort to know the current mindset of the people of Pakistan. I can understand both anger and the shame which must have engulfed the nation. But is’nt it time for your country to stop living in denials? An honest acceptance of the real facts and thereby introspecting will only help to draw sympathy and understanding from the neighbours.
    Regards
    BNA

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Usman

    I forgot to mention one fact about the sea burial of OBL. Well someone here told me in a poetic way how the famous urdu poet Ghalib had wished for a similar burial for himself by reciting one of his couplets as follows:

    Huai mar ke hum jo ruswa, huey kyon na gharke dariya

    Na kabhi janaza uthta, na kahin mazar hota

    I was surprised how this couplet was relevant to such a sea burial. May be OBL getting some consolation from this couplet of Ghalib( Wish I could have typed this in urdu, but my computer key board does not support this )
    BNA

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Dr Anand,

    People over here have storm of questions for authorities. Posing hard stance on – as to why the people have been made to live in dark if all the way Osama was in Pakistan? Speculations around the globe arise questions regarding the statements issued by White House.

    - Obama claimed we had no casualties, however on ground a US chopper was hit and casualties are now being reported.

    - The president himself claimed witnessing live the whole operation, yet again we do not see any evidence of Osama’s body in military action and a documentary to support it.

    - Body of Osama, no trace of it. Dumping in the sea and burial with Islamic rules do not go hand in hand vis a vis such short span of time.

    But again if all is made to believe true and it is all complete state of denial for us why would Washington not make it look all clean. I sense a divorce between the two countries and a harsh time ahead for us. How things come out lies in the hands of time.

    As for Ghalib’s couplet about river burial, he was a down to earth person and a world within himself. The world around him carried a unique appeal:-

    Bazeecha e Ittefal hai duniya meray aagay
    Hota hai shab o rooz tamasha meray aagay. (Ghalib)

    The world is a strange place – it sure was glare in the eyes of Ghalib.

    Usman

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Usman

    Yes, I can understand the feeling of sheepishness which an ordinary middle class person in Pakistan must be feeling. It is very difficult to explain the whole situation. For once, your nation has been caught on back foot before the whole of the world. Well, this may provide a moment of opportunity for the people of Pakistan to introspect and try to live with reality rather than to be obsessed to be living in denial. I feel that once 26/11 is resolved in an honest way, the way will be clear for an in depth dialogue between our two countries. Let Pakistan take courage and sort out the mess created by Mumbai episode.
    Well , your couplet was little too hard for a person of my knowledge in Urdu. What “Bazeecha e Ittefal—-” really means?
    BNA

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Bazeecha = play ground
    Ittefal = kids (in single digit age)

    Bazeecha e Ittefal = play ground for young ones. :)

    Usman

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Usman
    Thanks. I now got the message from the couplet.
    BNA

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Most Welcome! Dr Anand.

  • Daisy Boy

    After helping drive away the USSR from Afghanistan, Osama had set out to right some wrongs – especially in the Arab lands – but played up his hand to the extreme. Osama helped kill millions of Muslims world over; he helped destroy Afghanistan & Iraq. Thanks to him, Muslims are looked upon with suspicion the world over. What little bit of respect the Afghans might have won after successfully driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan, Osama with his extremism had destroyed it all. Yet again it is proved that nobody sane enough can tolerate extremism of any kind. With his millions, Osama could have really made a difference to the poverty-stricken and under-developed Muslims in Asia & Africa had he been a moderate. What a shame.

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  • Jai Vaidya

    Pakistan has lost its’ most prized milch cow. This wii put the billions of dollars in aid at risk. The Americans certainly did not keep the Pakistani military in the loop. The Raymond Davis affair clearly shows, much to the displeasure of the ISI, that the CIA was not going through the ISI, but was conducting its’ own field methods in collecting information on Osama’s whereabouts.The Pakistani forces involved in this operation in my opinion woukd have been informed at the very last minute just before the compound was hit.
    Pakistan is now caught between a rock and a hard place, It will have to accept it’s role in Osama’s elimination for the sake of Western audiences, butr it will draw the irte of Islamist mobs at home and the “Arab Street”.
    There are huge lessons to be learned for India. RAW has to alot more of it’s operatives inside Pakistan. PAkistan has to be the easiest to infiltrate it’s operatives given the cultural similarities. One cannot just push low rank Punjabi operatives into Pakistan. THey have to br trained in the nuances of speech , food and other culture that differentiates a Pakistani Punjabi from Sikhs and Hindus. THis is ngoing to have a huge positive reaction to Obama’s re-election effort.

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  • Debdeep

    The question we all should be asking is ‘What did Pakistan get in return for the co-operation – read betrayal of Bin Laden – from the Americans?’
    Whatever Pakistan gets as a reward of its ‘co-operation’ would be used against India, so I have a reason to be cynical.

    Pakistan nurtured, sheltered, fed and trained Bin Laden, and his brand of Islamic terror clearly to further its own interests in Afghanistan and Kashmir. This betrayal, classically Islamist, amounts to the ISI-Pakistan military cutting off one of its limbs, like an octopus, with a clear expectation of letting it grow again later.
    For the terrorist octopus to grow its severed limb back, it would need financial and logistical aid and political assurances, that it will not be disturbed, its activities not hindered with drone strikes, as long as it directed its energies somewhere else, other than the West.
    Only such kind of assurances would have ensured the co-operation from ISI that netted Bin Laden today.

    Shuja Pasha’s trip to the US, the gifting of American drones to Pakistan, the gentle-nudging of Karzai by Pakistan to switch alliances to China – all events happening in the past one month leading to the sell-out of Bin Laden by the ISI – fit into a rope that is meant for India’s neck.

    What did Obama promise to Pakistan in exchange for Bin Laden ?

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    ” What did Obama promise to Pakistan in exchange for Bin Laden ? ”

    Pakistan will get nothing, even doubt if KLB will be offered any more.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    A lot of bheek, a few millions in Swiss bank accounts, an unlimited supply of Russian prostitutes. If you have any more demands, please let Vinod Sharma know, so that the same can be transmitted to the US command-op.Osamafinish.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Not sure if you are targeting Vinod Sharma or the financial assistance given to Pakistan. Please clarify your satire.

    tajender Reply:

    because of excessive spending on arms PAKISTAN HAS BECOME A JUNOONI STATE .america ne usko uski auqat dekha dee.

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  • shan

    @Vinod sharma, I dont know whether you wrote this piece immediately after the news broke out, we now know a fair bit. The Pak was not not kept in the loop , INFACT NO ONE IN THE WORLD EXCEPT A DOZEN OR SO PEOPLE KNEW.The americans JAMMED all the radar , flew from Bagram , CONDUCTED AT THICK OF NIGHT at 0100hrs. finished it in 40 mins, and had planned and practiced this daring raid for some time.
    What happens next , pakistan will be accomodated in afganistan , BUT AMERICA IS NOT STUPID TO BELEIVE THAT THE GAME IS OVER.I Think this is the best time to FORCE ISRAEL to vacate west bank and gaza and let a palestinian state emerge. Once this is done US can force pakistan to WEED OUT the terrorist , with the assurance that some form of accomodation vis a vis kashmir.
    THIS EPISODE SHOWS DESPITE ALL THE 10% GROWTH AND INDIA SHINNING ,INDIA IS A SOFT STATE.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shan
    Even now it is early to come to conclusions. Your prognosis is obviously based on what has been let out by the Americans. The truth lies in what is not being told. I just can’t believe that Osama was in that house without the knowledge of elements in Pak Army-ISI.

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    shan Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma, read my posting by scrolling downwards. When I said pkistan was not kept in the loop tht means about the KILLING OPERATION, for the reasons I have given below.ISI NOT ONLY KNEW THEY HAD HOUSED HIM , else how come videos and tapes kept surfacing time to time or at the right time at AL JAZEERA whenever the “base” wanted to post an riposte.

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    Saarthak Reply:

    Mr Sharma some belated happy news for you:
    :
    NDTV: Mac, iTunes used to doctor Bhushan CD: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mac-itunes-used-to-doctor-bhushan-cd-report-103714

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    tajender Reply:

    he was there with full knowledge of isi.may be he was paying them for his stay.moreover he has supporters in army.there are millions and millions in muslim world who consider fighting america as religious duty.because of their support to israel danger to their 3rd holy mosque.

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  • Rajiv

    Not only that, the US helicopter lost in the raid was brought down by Pak army firing on the helicopter.
    US is trying to hide that fact to save face. The entire operation was mounted without informing anyone in Pakistan and by flying the helicopters at ground level.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Pakistan-under-fire-after-Osama-bin-Laden-killing/H1-Article1-692383.aspx

    “Mohammad Idrees, who lives around 400 meters from the house, said local residents were woken in the night by the sound of a big explosion. “We rushed to the rooftop and saw flames near that house. We also heard some gunshots,” Idrees said. “Soon after the blast, we saw military vehicles rushing to the site of the blast.”

    Another resident, Nasir Khan, said that commandos had encircled the compound as three helicopters hovered overhead. “All of a sudden there was firing towards the helicopters from the ground,” said Khan, who had watched the drama unfold from his rooftop. “There was intense firing and then I saw one of the helicopters crash.”

    Abottabad is the most military garrison town in Pakistan , even more than Rawalpindi. You have military garrison, military academy, military school, military hospital etc. A reporter in NPR said that you cannot walk 100 meters without encountering a military post or installation.

    However, what amazes me is that US didn’t inform anyone in Pakistan at all, and flew the 4 helicopters with 24 personnel, at ground level all the way from Afganistan to avoid detection.

    While as per eye witnesses on the site, one US helicopter was shot down in the compound by Pak military forces there is anathor interesting detail from Pakistan of a Pakistan military helicopter that was persuing the US helicopters on the way back of having been shot down , presumably by US forces.

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  • Rajiv

    From NY Times

    “Even after the president signed the formal orders authorizing the raid, Mr. Obama chose to keep Pakistan’s government in the dark about the operation.

    “We shared our intelligence on this compound with no other country, including Pakistan,” a senior administration official said.

    It is no surprise that the administration chose not to tell Pakistani officials. The United States never really believed the Pakistanis’ insistence that Bin Laden was not in their country. American diplomatic cables in recent years show constant American pressure on Pakistan to help find and kill Bin Laden.

    @Vinod Sharma,
    Pakistan’s criminal and terrorist-sponsoring propoganda machine will now try to obfuscate facts. You should not allow yourself to be a tool of it.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    There are one thing that is really troubling. The town of Abbotabad is around 40-50 Km from Indian J&K LAC. Does that mean last year’s kashmir protests were sponsored by Laden?
    I am not surprised to see that he was found so close to Islamabad.

    Some of our foolish journalists like Vinod Sharma and Barkha Dutt are giving pakistan benefit of the doubt, just for the sake of few free Kabobs from pakistan. Shame on these low-lives.

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  • Satish Haldankar

    Personally, I do not think Pakistan was involved for a reason too obvious below.

    A house with 12 ft plus high walls would stand out in small place like Abbottabad and would surely come to the notice of everyone, especially the Army and ISI, being a garrison town. Therefore, Osama is surely must have been lodged there 1) not without the knowledge and 2) with the “blessings” of the Army and the ISI. If the Americans had taken anyone on board from Pakistan for this operation, then Osama’s handlers and well-wishers would have surely taken him to some other safe house. Once the operation was on or almost over, then perhaps the US informed the Pakistani authorities, who by then would have been just bystanders and to get involved in the cleanup operation.

    Another theory. Perhaps Osama must have outlived his utility to Pakistan and they allowed US to carry out the dirty work, so that there is no backlash against the Pakistani authorities.

    We may never know the truth.

    .

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Satish

    I favour the second of your theory.

    For the first one to work, the 4 helicopters which started their journey from Afghanistan, must have travelled without any noise and/or RADAR profile. Abbotabad is far to far from Afghanistan for Pkaistan to have have not noticed these crafts.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Osama-lover,
    You must be really sad today as your ideological father is dead.

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    IMO, there would have been no difficulty for the first one to work, because when US talks, Pakistan listens, as they do not have a choice – so dependent they have made themselves on the USA in particular and the West in general in spite of the Chinese support.

    There are so many US operations going on in Pakistan at given point in time, this must have been given an appearance of just one of the them without raising any eyebrows. From where did the helicopters take off, one does not know. May be by stating that they took off from Afghanistan must be a smoke-screen to insulate the Pakistani authorities from angry reactions.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    You are right in your assessment.

    The US has so many operations going inside Pakistan that it would have looked like a regular one.

    Pakistan would not have let Osama go that easily. Osama, in a way, helped Pakistan get all the dollars from USA.

  • shan

    The helicopter took off only 30 miles away on the Afghan border. The radars were jammed , pakistan was not informed.AMERICA DOESN’T TRUST PAKISTAN, if they let them know then OBL would have slipped away, it has happened UMPTEEN TIMES , just read OBAMA’S WAR by woodyard.
    ISI had housed him ,else how come videos and tapes keep surfacing every now and then at Al Jazeera.

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  • rajiv

    India’s reaction to USA’s capture of Bin Laden from Pakistans military garrison town of Abbotabad, living next door to a so called Pak elite military academy smacks of impotent rage at Pakistan’s continued brazen support of terrorist groups against India and inaction against terrorists like Dawood ibrahim or criminal Haffez etc.

    India can deal with the criminal entity of Pakistan either in a smart way or a dumb way. Its the dumb way that India has followed so far.

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  • priti

    too bad mms and this blogger could not fulfill their fantasy of playing cricket for peace …with osama

    but look at the bright side…

    now he could write 2 blogs on forein issues

    and if someoene asks him about the cd he produced…

    he will say ..u guessed it …its not the topic…

    and he doesnt mind discussing sherry and gilani
    and her good english and posters with typos in their english which most people understand..

    these secular hypocrites r experts at not following their own rules they use as excuses
    to evade an answer..

    and by the way cd and its source are part of the same topic and his blogger omitted the source..

    also godhra train burmimg and its effect of riots r part of same topic
    but he hid the former…

    thies is the level of mafia posing as media for u…

    no logic or merit…no wonder he cant answers questions head on..

    so when r u revealing the source mr blogger..

    and by the way by your logic the chinese,germans and french etc r bad guys
    they dont know english…

    and so rthe vernaculars who get much better marks than u in school and even make it to iit-iim..

    and pakistani india haters and even osama know english and u have a admiration for them..

    lage raho sharma bhai…..even osama knew english and that was enough for u to want to play cricket with him in MMS company…for peace

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Here comes Priti the party pooper.

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Vinod ji

    Priti aka Dimple aka Maya aka Shyam aka Deepak aka Jimmy aka Shalu (the latest from Kayani Ki Kahani) . As of now, that is 7-in-1 party pooper.

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    Sanjiv Reply:

    I know of a zoo…which will be interested in taking you in….

    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Sanjiv aka Priti aka Dimple aka Maya aka Shyam aka Deepak aka Jimmy aka Shalu
    (That is 8 aliases and still counting).

    I am a person who can “see” the future. When you march me to the zoo, this is what is going to happen Seeing an multi-headed specimen (you) and one-headed specimen (me), the zoo authorities will get hold of you and put you in one of the empty cages and shoo me away, because a specimen with multiple heads will be a box office hit. Nobody wants to pay and see one headed specimen, which they encounter day in and day out around them daily!

    Sanjiv Reply:

    sorry…but someone just told you the truth…

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    jimmy Reply:

    hey satish if u can see the future..u shuld be the richest man in the world for this talent…

    but u r not…

    this is called logic which u ri ncapable of..

    a dogs bark makes more sense..

    no wonder the brainwashed cave age jihadis world wide agree
    with u…as the internet comments prove…

    most sensible children even know if they r weak
    in logic they can improve by learning…

    they take coaching calsses..

    but u r so shameless….u show ur complete brain deadness and
    take a bow before osama and afzal and kasab fans who applaud ur posts..

    i am sure they have formed a satish-osama-kasab fan club in pakistan

    so did this magic power help u help prabhat know my real identity

    u r a true museam piece validating the sperm migration theory

    shiney Reply:

    Priti – well said, this could not have been put across better
    mr.blogger giving pak a benefit of doubt proves that he is nothing more than a joker in the garb of a journo
    amazing the way he is twisting facts to make it sound like pak is a baby thats lost in the woods. I am sure he can definitely apply for a job with pakis to give a spin to their image

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shiney
    Are you shiney ahuja —- the rapist? Priti just be on guard. This guy is using my blog as an excuse to chat up with you. :}}

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  • shyam

    way to go satish

    yeah we may never know the truth about osama and pakistan…

    just like ur types said we may never know the truth about godhra train fire..

    yeah peole like u only know the truth that modi is a mass murderer..in spite of
    evidence to the contrary

    good going mr hindu named hindu,bjp hating jihadi….

    ur brothers will be proud of u as can be seen by your posts on intenet..

    they will rember to applaud u after they r done weeping for osama…

    al qauida doesnt need to spill their blood to achive theire goal to target and conquer india..

    they hope that the enmies within india are enough..

    hope u get ur reward of heaven..u have earned it

    no wonder u always agree with ur brothers worldwide who post

    and the aware and educated hindus r the ones u hate by calling them trolls…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    How many aliases do you use on this single forum ???

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    deepak Reply:

    prabhat u need no aliases..and as usual u change topics to identity

    u r a congress paid traitor who has participated in looting the poor of this country..and u justify it…by pointing fingers at others..even thives have more shame…

    but being a congressi u fund terror thru hasan ali as sc pointed out and protect him,kasab,afzal and point fingers at hindus for 26-11

    u have alraedy forgotten all the terror blasts from 2004 to 2009 and the pune one…

    u could care less about justice to victims families..

    being a muslim spermed guy…u must be rejoicing how congress is going after hindus..

    lage raho with ur hatred for hindus …not counting secular adulterous hindus like u

    forget identity of me and shyam etc..
    makes u agree with 7th century brainwashed wallas…

    who r taught to side with their brothers and go against kafirs…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    If I were L K Advani, I would have said – “In my whole life, I have not seen such a committed BJP spokesperson like Dimple/Maya/Deepak/Shyam. He/She represents my thought, my ideology in true spirit. Nobody represents me better than Dimple/Maya/Deepak/Shyam. Not even Shenoy ! “

    Prabhat Reply:

    -
    Friend! ab to dasavtar ho gaye !!!

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    SHYAM TERE KITNE RANG
    GUSSA HAI TERE ANG, ANG
    VINODJI SE TERA JUNG,
    ANEK NAAM SE KAAM BHANG
    JAO, MANDIR ME GAO ABHANG.

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    james Reply:

    i am a christain who was picked by ahindu woman as husband
    because she found hindu males characterless and cowards….i kept quiet about that
    but after reading shenoy’s juvenile post against shyam whose post overlaps with priti’s
    in substanec…i am forced to disclose my personal side

    shenoy u r shameful

    ur poetic talent is irrelevant and u r acting like a school kid trying to show off..

    if u have any logic skills take on what shyam has siad point by point…

    what did he say wrong…he and priti agree and so do i…

    u shuld be ashamed u agree with prabhat,satish and defend sharma like some lover boy…

    even after 60 years of a media islamic congress nexuscmafia

    teh biggest issue to u is harmless words on a board..

    substantive issues like media fraud congress corruption and hindu defamation worldwide

    doesnt have any effect with you….u treat them like a joke and an opportunity
    to time pass and show off with poetry…

    being 60 plus years old…u shuld think about the feelings of unnikrishnan and
    omble etc families…

    i would like to see yor frivolity when ur family become victims of terror
    or become poor due to the congress loot of 60 yrs from chldren who cannot go to school and forced into labor…

    we will see u control ur anger then…

    it is because of petty frivolous oldies like u that no one takes india seriously on terror
    or corruption…do u even know the efforts of other rich countries against
    corruption and terror…

    ur last line is disgusting..people like u take advantage of hindu feelings
    like temple..because deep down u know hindus r tolerant…just like the media does..

    but u will never say anything against the intolerant actions of the minorities..
    because of ur innate cowardice…

    i may not employ the language by shyam because that is his free expression..

    but i would credit him and priti for their posts from which i have learnt
    because of logic and facts..which peole like u r incapable of rebuttal..

    if u can be so touchy about language…imagine how touchy u will be
    about self defence by jawans in kashmir…

    let us see u write poetry flippantly if ur relative is killed in kashmir
    after peole like u try to disarm them just like u r trying with ur obsession with abuse..

    do u evn know how many have been killed in terror…and kashmir
    in india..it is more than iraq war…

    these r facts….does it make u angry know…
    because ur family is safe..

    india’s hopless stae is reflected in the fact…
    that 60 yr olds with low language neutral IQ scores
    like u exist….that is what macaulay did to
    inferior characterless hindus with inferior complex like u

    abuse as defined by u makes u move ur old arse….

    but the plight of hindus and terror victims
    do not provoke evn a word from u…

    shameful ..we youth comment on on the internet and
    u should see the gap between the few posters like u on this
    board and youth all over the internet

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    Poor Shenoy ! He wished he was rather hit by an All American smart bomb !!!

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    With all your imperfect style and absence of substance, you seem to be narcisstic about your posts here. You have posted it twice! Shalu/Dimple/Priti/Shyam, may you all know that Im a greta lover of Marathi abhangs and I have a huge collection of them sung by Bhimsen Joshi, Lata, Suman kalyanpur, Bal Gandharva, etc. And I also listen to them regularly. Using the word ‘abhang’ does mean no disrespect to either one’s bhakti or to the temples. Your argument is too far fetched.

    Recently, on the death anniversary of Unnikrishnan ( I am glad you still remember him), his uncle committed suicide in front of parliament house. Now, what did he achieve? Would Unnikrishnan have approved of such hair-brained ideas to show one’s patriotism? Your gang is no different from this uncle. Youy all are daily committing verbal suicides.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shyam;
    I am replying to you as I can not reply to Shalu. I do not understand, why you are picking on Shenoy or other bloggers, who are clearly Indians, good Indians for that matter and who may not agree with you verbatime. They never accused Modi of being mass murderer or pakistan, as innocent babe. Infact, most of them have called a spade a spade. I really do not understand your anger. You should study hard, earn an honourable living, contribute to society, nation and forget that you are the true Hindu and rest ARE BETRAYERS. Instead of living in a paranoid world, come out as confident hindu, who can contribute good to community, nation and world. Rest are rhetorics and will not convince, even your mohalla walas.

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    jimmy Reply:

    PANKAJ

    i AM SORRY…DOUBLE STANDARDS OF PEOLE LIKE U R OBVIOUS…

    AS SOME ONE SIAD ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS…

    I AHVE SEEN UR COMMENTS FOR A LONG TIMR….AND U HAVE NEVER SHOWN THE INTENSITY AGAINST KASMIRI HINDU PLIGHT,DEFAMATION OF HINDUS,MEDIA FRAUD,CONGRESS CORRUPTION BY FORGETTING THEM…

    OR TERROR OR CORRUPTION AS POINETD OUT BY SHYAM ETC..

    LIKE SHENOY U LOSE SLEEP OVER ABUSE BUT MAKE FRIVOLOUS COMMENTS
    OTHERWISE…

    PEOPLE LIKE U R GOOD AT LIPSERVICE TO INDIA’S CONCERNS..WHEN CONFRONTED…
    TOO LATE..

    KEEP ON MAKING JOKES AND APPRECIATING POETRY LIKE UR MATE SHENOY
    WITH WHOM U SHARE UR PASSION AGAINST ABUSE…

    AS DEFINED BY TOUCH SOFTES LIKE U….

    UR WORDS DONT COUNT NOW…UR LONG RECORD OF POSTS DO…

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    Jimmy too is married to a Hindu girl?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Jimmy;
    If you say that I have not spoken about congress fraud, militancy in Kashmir, spinelessness of congress government, its wrongful appeasement of muslims then I will say that you have not read my posts as I have written nothing else than this.Yes, I have not usd four letter words, overt insults, frothing at the mouth is not my style. I am not internet warrior. I would like to make people aware of wrong policies pursued by power of the day. I see, that there are dozens and dozens of people like me, posting here hence I do not write very often. You people are trying to shout down very people, who are espousing your cause in an articulate manner and without use of abuse. Calm down and be a political activist, defeat congress, elect BJP and improve the situation like Gujrat. That is the only credible thing to do. rest will not take you anywhere.

  • Praveen Saxena

    USA has taken out Osama and eliminated him. Across the globe it is being welcomed that an enemy of mankind has been vanquished.
    But what is happening across the Indian political spectrum. Deafening silence. Some elements with predictable views have already questioned this US operation , that which court has decalared him terrorist etc etc.
    But what about the soldiers of Indian secularism. Will some join the Matam ka juloos . Would it not be interesting to see or is it going to be the usual faces.
    I do not think we have to wait too long.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Indian politicians have reacted in right manner. Putting even more pressure on Pakistan to come clean.

    I am surprised you missed those statements in the newspapers !

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I am not talking about the statements coming from the Ministers of the Govt. of India. I am talking about the response of the political parties all competing with each other for that vote-bank.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Congress had issued a statement asking Pakistan to come clean.

    BJP urged to hang Afzal Guru.

    [ I fail to understand why Gadhakari can not file an PIL in SC on this ?]

    Bukhari questioned who declared Osama a terrorist.

    Rest are yet to come out of their slumber.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    ” I fail to understand why Gadhakari can not file an PIL in SC on this ?]
    Very strange . Gadkari or ordinary citizens are being faulted for not filing PILs on every perverse action by the Govt of the day.
    As u have mentioned the Congress , then let me refresh yr memory about its prevarication.
    The Govt has given an account of the Batla House encounter, the Genl Secy of the Congress goes and touts another version. Both are still in place.
    The country believes that the Mumbai Terror Attack was done by Pakistan and its terror groups . The same fellow goes and touts another version. Both are still in place.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Praveen

    Instead of acting like a cry-baby, gadhakari could just file an PIL and direct the Govt. through SC to hang Afzal next Friday !

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    The Amul Baby will make a better cry-baby.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    your capacity for jokes is inexhaustible.

    “Putting pressure on Pakistan!” -that is a gem of a joke, fit to go into the “selected jokes on separated-at-birth blog-2011″

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Once in a while you must enjoy jokes, like we enjoy your poetry.

  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Bloggers here shud sponsor Prabaht to visit Osama burial site deep inside the sea

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ ram

    Good idea. Let’s start with your contribution. I am bored in this Delhi Summer.

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    ram Reply:

    @Prabhat
    Please provide ur A/C no, such that ppl transfer the money

    btw u please take vinod along with u, poor guy missing him a lot

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    My email a/c is real. So you may send your contributions to HT. They can find my email id from the server.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    with a one-way ticket

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    I believe in “live and let live” idea.

    I have no problem having you as my neighbour.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Please also take my dog along –but on a two way ticket. He is keen to do susu and potty on Osama’s grave.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    don’t take the trouble of sending the dog all the way to Osama’s watery grave.

    You can hand over the package containing the dog’s poop and piss to Pratap. He will gladly reach the packet to its destination.

  • Atul8

    Dear Vinod,

    So may theories, and in all likelyhood, all could be true.

    Lets just say that Osama was in a Pakistani safe deposit box for the Americans. They needed to cash this chip when the value was right, and so they did.

    Surprisingly, the Pakistani spin doctors could not / did not do their job well. I would be interested in t he consequences of this communication failure… does it mean a Golden Bullet for Zardari or Gilani and Kayani’s elevation?

    Would like to have your views on this.

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    shalu Reply:

    to people like satish only modi is guilty.. we dont need any theories…despite contrary evidence

    on the otherhand we should give benefit of the doubt to pakistanis and their
    terrist frends..
    just like we tried to blame rss
    for 26-11 and that wuld have happened if kasab was not on camera

    just like aseemanad,sadhvi,etc r being targeted but no one knows the proof..

    and gullible hindus dont even ask for it…and welcome the defamation of hindus
    worldwide…to day the secular congress mate karunanidhi siad islamic terror does not exist
    despite osama…yeah but hindu terror exists without proof…but osma did not leave behind proof…
    according to these seculars like the legendhaldankar

    even if USA has best intelligence to come to conclusions…

    usa is now refusing to belive pakistan did not know about this…
    i wuld go with that evolving conclusion any day…

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    Atul8 Reply:

    @Shalu,

    I think you missed my point.

    Pakistan’s ability to milk the Americans for aid has been legendary. Having gifted Osama to the yanks, my query to Vinod revolves around what the aftermath in Pakistan is likely to be.

    And I do hope Vinod will respond.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Atul 8
    Terrorist groups that were for Osama will have easy targets within Pakistan— among civilian and military leaders. I apprehend an early Qaeda strike to regain the pyschological advantage. If the impression that the army and the isi watched helplessly as the Americans took out Osama, the resultant nationalistic sentiment could afflict the army as well, grossly compromising the ;position of Kayani and his ISI chief Pasha. Both are on extension and not liked by all corps commanders. Middle ranking officers are equally unhappy with the free run the americans are having of their country.
    All American assests — direct and surrogate— are in grave danger across the world, notably in Pakistan, Afghanistan. Iraq and elsewhere. India too might be on this list.

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    Atul8 Reply:

    Thank you.

    This substantiates my understanding that Pakistan will be highly vulnerable for some time.

    Who knows, this may even be setting the stage for a possible Taliban coup?

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Osama Bin Laden’s last wish, according to his will, was that his wives not remarry

    poor wives, they have to spend rest of their life seeing at arabian sea

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Does anybody know which Osma has been buried?

    My doggie wants to go there and do susu and potty :D

    Sagar Kinare
    mera doggie dhaar maare…

    Osama ke kafan se…
    nikle angaare :D :D :D

    Ha ha ah !! :D :D

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Surprisingly all the Pak-shit-stanis out here like Sal and Azhar have suddenly disappeared :D

    Even the Pak-shit-stanis on TV look very brutalised :D

    Yes as expected a new cacoon of lies is sson going to be built. The Pak-shit-stani envoy to the UK is already claiming Pakistani success in killing OSama! :D

    Arre Vinodji, these Pakistanis are the biggest liers of the world. Don’t let them get credit for this. Instead we all should ram our advantage to fish out more jehadi shit turds like Hafeez Saeed & co from Pak-shit-stan. Since Hafeez Saeed has already called for war agains USA today, let us instigate the US to bomb him next. :D

    Unfortunately, our weak PM is now doing a IK Gujral by trying to help our vile neighbour in his “hour of need” !!

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  • shan

    Guys , did anybody watch how barkha backhander from nira radia dutt was completetely outwitted by the pakistani ambassador to USA. Mr Hasan said just as america had intelligence failure in Iraq , pakistan also had intelligence failure regarding OBL. Utter Bollocks.America MANUFACTURED intelligence failure , also that was a country 7000 miles away from america relying only on satellite photographs , which were analysed and found to be cow sheds , whereas in OBL case IT WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR NOSE.
    The reason why pakistan cannot move forward is because not a single chap comes to the telly and confronts the truth ,choosing to lie their way out.

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    ritu Reply:

    Haqqani is the smartest diplomat in USA, as claimed by the State Department USA, no one in India including MMS chamcha Hardip Puri (UN rep..) can stand up to him, Barkha is just a lobbyist reporter – Haqqani is too smart for her.

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  • james

    i am a christain who was picked by ahindu woman as husband
    because she found hindu males characterless and cowards….i kept quiet about that
    but after reading shenoy’s juvenile post against shyam whose post overlaps with priti’s
    in substanec…i am forced to disclose my personal side

    shenoy u r shameful

    ur poetic talent is irrelevant and u r acting like a school kid trying to show off..

    if u have any logic skills take on what shyam has siad point by point…

    what did he say wrong…he and priti agree and so do i…

    u shuld be ashamed u agree with prabhat,satish and defend sharma like some lover boy…

    even after 60 years of a media islamic congress nexuscmafia

    teh biggest issue to u is harmless words on a board..

    substantive issues like media fraud congress corruption and hindu defamation worldwide

    doesnt have any effect with you….u treat them like a joke and an opportunity
    to time pass and show off with poetry…

    being 60 plus years old…u shuld think about the feelings of unnikrishnan and
    omble etc families…

    i would like to see yor frivolity when ur family become victims of terror
    or become poor due to the congress loot of 60 yrs from chldren who cannot go to school and forced into labor…

    we will see u control ur anger then…

    it is because of petty frivolous oldies like u that no one takes india seriously on terror
    or corruption…do u even know the efforts of other rich countries against
    corruption and terror…

    ur last line is disgusting..people like u take advantage of hindu feelings
    like temple..because deep down u know hindus r tolerant…just like the media does..

    but u will never say anything against the intolerant actions of the minorities..
    because of ur innate cowardice…

    i may not employ the language by shyam because that is his free expression..

    but i would credit him and priti for their posts from which i have learnt
    because of logic and facts..which peole like u r incapable of rebuttal..

    if u can be so touchy about language…imagine how touchy u will be
    about self defence by jawans in kashmir…

    let us see u write poetry flippantly if ur relative is killed in kashmir
    after peole like u try to disarm them just like u r trying with ur obsession with abuse..

    do u evn know how many have been killed in terror…and kashmir
    in india..it is more than iraq war…

    these r facts….does it make u angry know…
    because ur family is safe..

    india’s hopless stae is reflected in the fact…
    that 60 yr olds with low language neutral IQ scores
    like u exist….that is what macaulay did to
    inferior characterless hindus with inferior complex like u

    abuse as defined by u makes u move ur old arse….

    but the plight of hindus and terror victims
    do not provoke evn a word from u…

    shameful ..we youth comment on on the internet and
    u should see the gap between the few posters like u on this
    board and youth all over the internet

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    Prabhat Reply:

    If I were L K Advani, I would have said ” In my whole life, I have never seen a christian so passionately arguing for hindus!”

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    you have shown that you are suffering from an Advani-fixation.

    You would better consult Dr. Vinod Sharma for an emergency dose of bullshit-horse gram mixture, before the disease becomes contagious and others like Satish Haldankar too get “affected/afflicted”.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    One thing I like about you is that you de-construct my statements well.

    I do not have any problem with your IQ like this Dimple/Maya/Salu/Deepak/James/Priti has.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    If I were Sonia Gandhi, I would have said, “this James fellow is proving that I am failing in the job for which the Vatican has placed me here, at the top of all these (bloody) Indian heathens and pagans! Bloody fool, he is resorting to reverse-conversion!! What bloody cheek, joining the bloody ‘maut ka saudagars’!!!”

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    If I were Sonia Gandhi, I would also have said, “Even my Amul cry baby is better than this bloody fool, James. My Amul cry baby is not marrying any of these bloody pagan Hindu girls. (Even otherwise they are all gauche, fat cows)”.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    In your eagerness to match my post, you forgot to pick up Sonia Gandhi’s speech pattern.

    But any kid will tell you, L K Advani’s speech pattern – “In whole life, I have never……”

    Actually, Advani almost said :

    “In my whole life, I have never seen any terrorist dare attacking Indian parliament in broad day light !”

    But he had a sudden cut while having his 5th shave of the day and he bit his tongue.

    tajender Reply:

    he is not christian he is rss man sitting in examination hall for storey competition.

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  • shalu

    james thanks…good post to shenoy…

    i know many of my friends who think like ur wife…

    u r one of the fair minorities who definitely r better
    than shameless hindus like shenoy….

    see how he contradicts himself…he feels angry enough to react to shyam even if
    shyam did not mention him….

    and yet he tries to make a distinction between his choice of words expressed
    thru a rhyme and shyam’s

    in fact shyam had facts and reason in his posts just like the others he names…

    but he was angry enough to respond with a rhyme…

    so this shenoy guy can express his anger thru poetry but if others like shyam do it in his own free
    style….shenoy will swoop down on him showing his poetic anger…

    this guy is the pits….with that usual hypocrisy characteristic of cowardly hindu males ..

    he enacts a law against expression of anger without authority and then arrogantly shows his own anger albeit in his own style..

    something that he does not allow shyam etc to do…

    god save inddia from such hindus…no wonder only in india
    many women marry minorities…atleast they have character and passion
    to respect their own..

    and this guy mocks hindus and their temple practice…

    the british and misionaries and islam has enslaved them for 1000 years
    and shenoy has just inherited that collective inferiority complex..

    my friends do not want their children to inherit such inferior qualities…

    therefore the prefernce for minorities like parsis and christians…those who have married
    muslims also cite the same reassons..

    i have not yet made up my mind…but posts like urs make me think…
    only hindus can create such cowards and traitors…who mock temples
    and their visitors…

    macaulay really brainwashed these english literate guys into beliving that
    english makes them superior…which shows their deep inferior complex

    when iq tests r language neutral and their evasion of a logical response
    shows this iq deficiency…

    what a

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    You could take help from this site when you run out of aliases -

    http://www.babynamegenie.com/

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    1) Shalu talking to Shalu aka James. Strange are the ways of Dimple aka Maya aka … I have lost count. I hope in the bargain Shyam aka Priti aka …. has not forgotten his/her real name, otherwise he/she may have to croon “main kaun hoon, main kahaa.n hoon ….” a la Sunil Dutt in Main Chup Rahungi (1962). .

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    shalu Reply:

    so why dont u reply to that response about future prediction capability….
    that u shuld have been richest if u had that majic..

    idiot identities are not the topic..respond to the points..even a school kid knows this

    so why dont u figure out our identities…with ur magic

    proves u r confirmd braindead creature and worse u r a shamelss traitor

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shalu
    Can I try? You are shalu from Dev Anand’s Jewel Thief. I love the song hoton pay aise baath main chupakey chaley aayee……shaluuuu….

  • Atul

    The question today is why was OBL found in Pak ?…residing there for almost 5 years. Musharraf in his book had given ample evidence of ” a high value target ” in that safe house meeting Libi, yet no action was taken by CIA puzzles me.

    Pak people need to explore the role of Army, and retired ISI Generals, one of them an Idiot hamid gul with his Haqqani network wanted to capture Afghanistan without letting his army chief know) .

    People gotta to rise against the establishment that is Army , not Zardaris and Gillanis, With 80% of pak youth studying in Madraasas, a very very bleak future lies ahead for Pak.

    Without firing a single bullet, India has won !!!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy

    Youth Congress workers in the Seva dal have been given strict instructions for marriage.

    ” In case there is failure to perform marital duties on suhaag raat… shout out Modi MOdi… BJP BJP !! ”

    HSA HA AHA !! :D :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    haa, haa, haa!!!!!!

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  • Ats

    In this saga …what was our RAW doing ? the agency must be having operatives in PAK. Why RAW could not track OBL living so close to our borders for five years.

    More than ISI, CIA I think we ought to focus on the role of our lethargic, corrupt – not accountbale to anyone, agency reporting to Mr. Don’ t know MMS.

    It was an Indian Intelligence Failure too .

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    I do not think so. There are news reports in today’s papers and on the websites, where India had alerted the Americans in 2007 and 2008 about Osama’s presence/hideout – not exact location, but in and around Islamabad/Rawalpindi.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Ats

    I believe Pakistan has one of the largest ground level spy network.

    Guys work for peanuts in Pakistan.

    Imagine they could really find a Kasab like a guy who would be ready to come to india on a suicide mission just for 1.5 lakhs.

    If you ever met RAW guys, you would mistake them for any IT professional.

    They are too few. And too desk type of guys.

    What we need a large sleeper cells in Pakistan like ISI has in India.

    American manage to buy out spies with hard currencies. I guess we need to open our purse a little more and develop a network inside pakistan.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Every intelligence agency has people who are office types who do academic research and analysis and other support work , and then there are those who do field work. snooping etc and who come from a different background

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    ISI has a sleeper cell, in fact a very big cell in the congress head quarters, going by the name of Digvinash Singh, but the cell has not yet been exposed.

    Prabhat Reply:

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    @Praveen

    I understand your point of view. What I meant that we needed a lot more spies on the ground could really mingle with the local populace. We should not just depend on the technical surveillance. Even CIA increased the level of human intelligence to a great deal in recent times.

    RAW did a brilliant job of technical surveillance during Kargil days and got to know the direct involvement of Pakistan army.

    [ Though it was a myopic and stupid decision on the part of our politicians to let Pakistani know about our source ...Could not have expected anything better from the immature politicians of the day!]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Digvijay Singh is the 1st line of defence for Congress. Need say more ?

  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D :D ~~ DIGVIJAY TYRING A KASAB AND AFZAL GURU WITH OSAMA ~~ :D :D :D ~~

    The big disaster of India — Digvijay or Digvinash– is now propelling Congress along the path of further creating a wedge between HIndus and Muslims.

    Is he seriously an ISI agent? Maybe a member of the LeT?

    At Batla house they created doubts and scoffed at the sacrifice of MC Sharma; For Afzal Guru their reason is simple– Guru is a Muslim and if a COngress government hangs a Kashmiri, Kashmiri sepratism will get a boost; for Kasab and 26/11, Antulay and Burney were used so as to project it as a HIndu conspiracy.

    AND NOW DIGVINASH SINGH HAS TRIED TO PLAY for MUSLIM VOTES by putting up an idea THAT ISLAM HAS BEEN INSULTED by the burial of killer Osama in the sea !! :D

    Wah Digvinash wah !! kya chaloo aadmi hai tu !! :D :D

    The Muslims of India are truely insulted by this communal COngress approach. I think we should request the Muslims to file a complaint against Digvijay for insulting Islam by invoking it whenever terrorism comes in.

    I can ask my Muslim friends to file a complaint against Digvijay in the National Minorities commission.

    Vinod Sharmaji, can you guide us how such a complaint can be registered?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Atul

    Pakistan’s double faced role immediately comes into play. It will first try to take credit for Osama’s death as it is trying to do by saying that it shared intelligence and helped the US forces.

    Even Vinodji’s blog tries to get in that point.

    Simple question: If they knew Osama was there, why did they not just send a police force to capture him?

    So Pakistan’s role is just duubious as it is a country founded on lies and financed by crumbs thrown by the Arabs and US. Yes they will manouvere themselves to a position for getting more dollars by claiming that they have lost lives and finances in this war against terror. etc etc.

    Only IK Gujaral, Khuswant SIngh ad Kuldip Nayar will believe them.

    And Vinod Sharmaji too ?? Not sure.

    But this time the world will not play ball. RAW should work with CIA to dismember Pakistan into Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab and Pakhtoonistan.

    They will achieve a balance of terror by fighting anmongst themselves !!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    “Only IK Gujaral, Khuswant SIngh ad Kuldip Nayar will believe them.

    And Vinod Sharmaji too ?? Not sure.”

    He will perhaps sit on the (Wagah border) wall, with an unlighted candle in his hand.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma and Shenoy,

    Is that true Vinodji? Can I join you?

    I want to present our brother Pakistanis some google maps. If Osama can hide near a military academy, Maybe masood Azhar lives in the basement of Rehman Malik’s house and Dawood Ibrahim is in Gilani’s bedroom ! :D :D

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay

    So the first political “Matami’ has come from the Congress Party.
    Dekhte jaiye abhi aur kaun kaun Osama Bin Laden ke Matam ke juloos mein shamil hota hai.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    The invitation cards for this jaloos are being printed by Mulayam Singh Yadav and will be distributed by Digvinash Singh. Amar SIngh Da-lla will weep out a bucketful of tears but as he bends down, fake CD’s and kickback money will fall out !

    Auntie Arundhati will write 39 page tearful article for OUTLOOK which will make anyone cry with the very thought of being asked to read it ! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Meanwhile, a bad news has come from Chandigarh has come saying that the Amar the bhramar-congress-HT fake CD is really a fake, cut and paste job.

    It was a wise decision by our friend, Vinodji not to “reveal” the name of the lab which did his due diligence.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Till yesterday you were abusing CFSL. Now you are believing it. Both reports are from CFSL— Delhi (which you didn’t like) and Chandigarh (which you have liked based on
    and Indian Express report). Make u your mind Mr Sherlock Holmes.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Is Shanti Bhushan’s voice in CD original ?

    Whatever Bhushan said in CD is real or fake as per the lab report?

    nirav Reply:

    @Vinod,

    Time for you to give some company to kalmadi,raja and others in tihar.,…
    Chori pakdi gayi………all can now see your true colours and the HAND behind you(Pun intended)
    You too should now take sanyas like VIr sanghvi:)

    While in jail try to read some good books like The Red Saree…..Lol

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    shalu Reply:

    two contradictory reports show complete lack of credibility..

    this is a well established juriprudence….

    but sharma being sharma is all fraud and ego..but no brains

    as sonmeone siad these r the qualifications for corrupt media

    deepak Reply:

    i just read a news that the second chandigarh report contradicting sharma’s claim has been done with sophisticated technology…and have found doctoring word after word

    so it was spliced to gether…sharma and his motive was identical to his congress motive
    to derail lok pal…

    even a dog knows how congressi sharma frauds his redaers for congress which owns HT thru shobana bhartiya a congress rajya sabha mp that sharma hides
    in his cloak and dagger manner…

    and he earns his livelihood by frauding his viewers who gave him ajob..

    this is the level to which these congress media mafia have sunk….also the PAC report
    has joshi’s version reported by anoter media….and he asners all questions factually
    and constitutionally…contardict the congress cooks on that body..including
    sold out bsp and sp…

    i’ll believ the chandigarh reprt anyday…

    let us see how sharma wriggles out with his not the topic ridiculous excuse..when the source is related to the topic..

    and yes that otehr absurd “when i deem fit” excuse…

    sharma will be sharma .after all what can he do for alivelihood..

    no ability except fraud and sycopancy which r the qualifications required by congress dynasty.. and traitrs like satish,prabhat and manohar will defdn thesecongressi traitors
    for looting apoor country for 60 years as long as they get their bones from the people’s loot

    and sharma also claimed professional integrity and there r naive fools who respect him
    and take his words at face value…

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    Will you bring lunch for me in jail? :}}

    nirav Reply:

    @Vinod sharma.

    With pleasure sir.would you prefer indian or italian:) hahahaha
    BTW i was surprised the other day to see you so angry at Arnob goswami on the osama debate.
    I normally(actually always disgree) with your views but appreciate your poise,calm and sense of humor on these shows.
    Did he touch a raw nerve:)

    And how the hell two CFSL labs are having opposite views??
    Looks like someone has milk on his whiskers:)

  • shyam

    shenoy calls james bloody fool..and this guy was talking against abuse…wow….he is so senseless he does not even follow his own arrogant rules….ha ha ..this is hilarious…

    this is helpless rage because the man is incapable of logic to rebutt..as i also show below…

    as usual ur irrelevant…no logic..posting twice is done by many people ..it makes sure the post is read..and registered.. like james i also post twice..because it is easier to locate at the very end for people who cannot follow the cumbersome thread here..

    shows u cannot even think about possible raesons…dont know about james….but i target my posts so taht tehy can be read by as many raeders…not only u..

    u again show ur lack of logic by this lack of imagination

    the fact is u take liberties with hindu feelings..as ur mandir line shows..

    yes i read about the suicide… how is that relevant for our feelings for the
    people who died protecting us..

    what does it have to do with people like u who r more exercized with
    ur duplicity regarding free expression of peole like me
    calling it abuse and anger but when peole like u react to express ur anger
    using childish rhymes it becomes acceptable

    that u appreciate art is not the point…in fact there is correlation between fashionable artists
    and their soft nature….as also their deliberate mincing of words to appear
    fashionable…

    u cannot select the points made by james…or give a diversionary irrelevant answer just to feed ur ego with ur response…

    u confirm u r a hypocrite…and ur position on abuse and anger has been
    well exposed by james…

    when u express it it is fine…when someone else does..it is gussa to
    be sung in mandirs ..

    just remeber ur art and poetry interest doesnt make up for
    ur lack of logic or analyis..

    ur last egotistic defence shows how deficent u r tehre…

    and at leat folow ur own rules about expressing anger and reacting to my post when i did not mention u…

    just get lost and impress some poetry or music club with ur art inetrest..

    the blogs r on current news here..

    by definition news is fact and their intelligent analysis without holes…

    it is another matter that u have reduced it to juvenile limericks to impress
    other frivolous peole like pankaj..

    even unnis double tragedy was used by u to to knock his uncle…
    and defend ur self..

    u r no different from those who find irrelevant faults with hazare just because it suits them…

    to u abuse and anger r the biggest issue…but like the frivolous pankaj..u violate
    taht same self enacted law..urself..

    look in the mirror and sing..and may be u will make a good impression to compensate for ur inferiority complex…art is talent..

    logic and analysis is what makes an iq..needed for the more competititive high marks majors..

    unlike the 50 % cutoff for the arts…and journos having no real talent in the arts
    have no choice but to make a living from that and get rewarded by congress masters
    for their propaganda…

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    @ shalu

    I think ur a victim of love jihad, contact VHP immediatley

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I am also reminded of Don Quixote.

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    deepak Reply:

    can u explain what u mean…

    do not if u r sancho panza frend of the congress..

    cpm cm recently said kerala will become islamic and there is evidence for this jihad..

    …it is another matter that media mafia hides it and u have not realized that yet…

    god save india from the gullible hindu fools..

    yaeh bogey about saffron terror and rss doing 26-11 is fine but love jihad is a windmill

    if kasab had not been on camera…congress and their media wuld have
    blamed rrss and used nonsense evidence of stoooge karkare whose phone record shows he was talking to digvijay…admitted by diggy ..before 26-11

    congress-diggy wanted to get voebank after muslims were angry about batla house where martyr policeman sharma was killed ….

    god save india from people who do not know facts or forget them or belive the mafiamedia..even after so much evidence of a nexus…

    they prefer to sleep instead..disgusting

    yeah pandist have not been cleansed from kashmir..that is a windmill too..

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Ram

    Love Jihad?

    Please elaborate for regular guys like us.

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    ram Reply:

    Jihadi Romeos promise to marry unsuspecting young girls within 6 months if they convert to Islam and take and dump these girls in the conversion centers. These Romeos then go for their next prey. These girls are subject to various tortures for weeks in these conversion centers.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Ram

    I have heard some stories like that happening in Kerala…is it true?

    ram Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Its not a fiction, its a fact, our secular media with the help of prabhat’s and sharma’s will never report these things. They have no time other than shouting Modi Modi, Now Obama is the fall guy

    shalu Reply:

    love jihad is done by one religion as the word suggests..

    there are three other religons mentioned and there are the brave sikhs also..

    be logical and i said i am undecided..

    if I am lucky I may meet someone like narendra modi or arun jaitley

    but i have given u facts and data from history..

    when haneef a terrorist friend was suspected…media made him ahero
    indians r dieing regularly in australia…their fault is they happen to be hindus…

    no coverage like haneef…and rember graham staines a illegal foreigner…

    hindus have been punished in orissa..and the swami and his 4 disciples were killed..

    and people like shenoy are busy with embarrassing juvenile frivolity…

    how many have shown anger against injustice..

    same thing was done with hiding kashmiri pandits,godhra train victims and only muslims
    were tomtommed…as if that is not enough the hindus r being defamed as terrorists..

    teesta has been contradicted that she made a witness testify against 17 hindus for rape
    and now that witness has written to the court that
    did not happen..the media as usual hid the other side and those peole r in jail
    even if the chief witness lied for teesta..

    and the court is taking its sweet time over it..the 17 peole r in jail..i dont want that to
    happen to my children just because they r hindus..

    aslo i do not want my children to be shamelss cowards with out self respect..
    like shenoy

    who delights in mocking hindus ..only shameless idiotic hindus r capable
    of doing this…and see how he blamed unni’s uncle for suicide..

    9-11 also led to grief and suicide…but americans remeber and the govt
    delivered justice…

    and the usa citizens were celebrating …that is the difference between the
    usa,etc and hindu country india…..and ofcourse the muslims r well known for
    their teaching of ummah or islamic brotherhood…a leader said during freedom movement..

    even a muslim criminal is better than gandhi…worse hindus produce brazen traitors
    like satish haldankar and in media

    i ahve started praying that my children should not be like shenoy etc

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    james Reply:

    well said shalu…

    instead the media treats dawood gang meber sorabuddin as angel despite his criminality
    and Let Ishrat too… and the recent fake affidavit by sanjiv bhatt against modi
    after 9 years evn if he has criminal record that they hide just like contradictory affidavits
    by many police officers present in 2002… which r shamelessly hidden

    and then they tell us about relevant to the topic like this sharma..

    and the deem fit excuse trotted out by shrama to hide the cd source…

    and peole like shenoy come out to defend this cheat…and his opposing comments to sharama r like domestic spat between 2 lovers..

    by the way artists are also known to be gay loverboys..

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    deepak Reply:

    to add shalu…

    hindus also create the most hindu bashing communists..

    communism has been rejected for its failure all over the world…

    man all enemies within, of different types with hindu names, like vinod,barkha
    satish rajddep ettc

    and then we have the well emaning naive fools who do not even a sk congress for proof

    and do illegal repeated narco testing on sadhvi that she passes thrice…

    and yet we dont know the proof after 2 yaers and the same mafia was hiding radia tapes and 2g etc scam till SC intevened and the peole who belive them

    are doing agreat disservice by not checking internet by googling for
    other perspectives and facts…

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vijay Kumar,

    you said, “Surprisingly all the Pak-shit-stanis out here like Sal and Azhar have suddenly disappeared. Even the Pak-shit-stanis on TV look very brutalised”

    Even our favourite whipping boy/punching bag, Ram Fake Auter is gaaaaayab.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Maybe Sal and Azhar were actually ham eating CIA agents pretending to be Pak-shit-stanis, while leaking all details to Panetta. :D

    Ram fake Autar has probably has been given a new assignment by ISI head Shuja Pasha. To wear a goatskin, and pretend he is a goat and hang around and spy on Gilani. He made a mistake that he chose a time near Eid to do so. Or probably when Gilani was in heat and making all those groping attacks on women….

    Wonder what he did to “fake”.. :D :D

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    AN ELEGY ON THE DEATH OF A MAD DOG( with apologies to Oliver Goldsmith)

    Osama was once a friend (of US), gora gora
    and as enemy, he hid in Tora Bora
    inside his cave he often saw “Tora, Tora, Tora’
    with, in hand, a bottle of choice Pakistani sura.

    America asked the Afghan ’shura,
    find him or else ‘hogaa, bahut bura’
    Osama, though, remained hidden, shura or no shura
    Finally the Americans found their kabootra,
    And, shooting him in the eye, they shouted, Hurrah, hurrah

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    Prabhat Reply:

    -

    very nice.

    [Reply]

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    As usual too good Shenoy Saab

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  • Vijay Kumar

    :) @ Shenoy

    In Kasab and Afzal
    Antulay and Digvinash

    Osama leaves behind
    a joda and joda !

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    @Vinod Sharma ji

    Sir
    While watching Times Now news hour programme last night (May3), I was wondering why you were not able to make your point. Though you showed lot of restrain when Arnab Goswami went very aggressive with you. But I believe your failure in successive attempts to say that Muslims like Madani or Bukharis are not the only muslim leaders which Muslims will listen would not have carried much weight. You also know that they are after all part of muslim leaders who address thousands of their followers on every Friday payers in mosques. Whatever they utter, carries weight with the Muslim masses at those congregations.. So if they give sermons at such gatherings the message of jihad and condemn the killing of Al-Qaeda supremo , as according to Maulana Bukhari, he was never convicted for any terrorist act, would surely incite the gathering and create more hatred among the society.
    Also, why Digvijay singh has become the only voice of Muslims in congress party? What is your opinion: will it not harm the interest of GOP as is evident from the reaction of majority community in the country? Has the Congress party deputed him to be the project manager to garner Muslim vote bank? If that is so, he is surely doing his job well, though at time making ridiculous observations, as per the order of his bosses.
    Regards
    BNA

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    tajender Reply:

    ossama was not named in 26/11.sept 11 was zoinist plot .he was chased only because of pressure of saudi goverment.no arms or ammunition was found from his house.in his will also he instructed his sons,not to join or help alqaida.he fought in afghanistan and bosnia with americans that donot make him terrorist.

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    ram Reply:

    @ tajender

    U vist faithfreedom.org to learn more about islam and OSAMA, bytheway why r u ashamed of ur religious name, don’t worry drones will not come through net

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Looks like this guy tajender is from Pakistan.

    How about letting Dimple/Maya/Priti have a cup of coffee with Tajender. They can exchange some notes on creating aliases.

    tajender Reply:

    u people have nothing except this.better give give awnser than abuse.thsi shows ur khokhlapan and cheapness.

    tajender Reply:

    any body who dont sing ur song is pakistani.u issue the passport and nationality of the person.my muslim name is mutandan hussain tarad difficult to write in english or hindi or urdu hence i use my friend name.discuss the content not name or religion.but u all are bunch of stupids.only know to abuse or change nationality,if language is not same.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @tejinder

    Simply write your name “hussain” and everybody will take you seriously. It’s not difficult to write in English

  • rajiv

    If by changing name to ‘tejinder ‘ a bigoted Pakistani and a supporter of jihadi groups could become Indian then Pakistan would have become haven by just changing its name .

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    tajender Reply:

    healthy discussion is not possible with u people as hate is ur duty.

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    james Reply:

    tajender

    like shenoy u contradict urself……

    it is u jihadis who have to hate others..by the book ..and that is how islam spread
    because the book says all land has to be dar ul islam

    and india has alredy conceded 40 % land and just 20 years ago kashmir fell to
    islam..and shenoy types r busy writing limericks and mocking hindus

    the book teaches u the us vs them nonbelivers

    see how anti christain violence started in egypt after hosni was ousted

    and as usual it is now becoming islamic country
    this is the most likely evolution of a majority islamic country…

    a friend of mine siad that only strict dictators can manage muslims..

    otherwise the alternative is islamic..

    the media repored tahir square but as usual it is being dishonest

    by hding the anti christain riots and the influence of muslim brotherhood
    in the new egypt…

    and tahir sqaure was touted as democratic and progressive…

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    tajender Reply:

    90%of muslim do not read holy quran.hence ur argument is bullshit.

    tajender Reply:

    and india has alredy conceded 40 % land and just 20 years ago kashmir fell to
    islam

    ill informed like u should not have any place in this blog.ur both the claims are wrong first go and study.then i will discuss with u. such serious matters.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    ~~ :D :D ~~ PAKISTAN HAS BEEN RENAMED AS PAK-SHIT-STAN ~~~ :D :D ~~

    Rajiv you had put up the idea that Pakistan could change its name. Why don’t we all move the UN to rename it as PAK-SHIT-STAN, a name which vividly conjures up the reality of that land? :D :D

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    rajiv Reply:

    I like the name Paap-is-tan too. Its a nation born out of criminality and bigotry of Jinnah and devoted to venality of the ideology he spawned. A total sinful, dirty entity and a disgrace on humanity.

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  • james

    shenoy

    shyam has rebutted u …so to save time ..which u have in plenty unlike me..

    i reiterate the asinine contradiction on the anger abuse issue

    u make anti-anger anti expression laws without authority for others and u violate them yourself

    u have called me bloody fool repeatedly in hopless and helpless rage…

    u r something else…u did the same with shyam but used some poetic form..

    and u mocked hindus with that mandir punchline…

    your bhajan singing interest is irrelevant

    malika sarabhai is a bharat natyam dancer and may be u r too

    but we know her positions on various public issues ..

    so u would do well to join some logicc class and while u r about it

    let satish join u…assuming u and satish r not the same person…

    to me aliases r irrelevt escape routes showing an utter inability
    to respond with facts logic and analysis..

    my posts and shyams have argued with logic and facst..

    we know artists like u have big egos and take fashionable positions
    to curry favor with other similar artists and the media who let them preen
    on tv… on various public issues with their anti-hindu,anti bjp agenda

    eg shobha de,rahul bose,malika,nandita das…etc etc…

    these guys wuld fail on logic and IQ…

    thse people think they r fashioninable by supporting mfhusain’s freedom to abuse
    hindu gods…and these same guys pontificate on abuse
    when it suits them…just like u….

    shenoy u r truly something else…keep making me laugh by some more abuses
    like bloody fool..spoken like a true macaulayite…influenced by the bloody english..

    u probably even share their accent like the media mafia do…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    James, I am sure this will go way above your stupid brain, still let me try.

    You have noted that I called you a bloody fool, but your silly pea sized brain didn’t see that it was not I but Sonia Gandhi speaking out of shock that a fellow Christian, instead of converting Hindus to Christianity, has become a Hindu himself. You also didn’t note what she says about the Vatican and her being at the top of Hindu pagans.

    And all this was in reply to Prabhat’s take on L.K.Advani.

    James, there is a saying: young men think that old men are fools, but the old men know that young men are fools.

    Your outpourings against me are a proof that you indeed are a fool.

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    deepak Reply:

    shenoy u r an idiot…as if ur repeate dbause against ur own no abuse rule

    there r christians who belive converions are not fair t..how does that make a christian a hindu….and how can u generalize about christians to exceptions like james…

    u rdevoid of all logic….despite repeated tutoring…

    so now u rshowing ur real uncouth self quaking with anger and ego..

    idot these retors just expose ur asinine inability for logic and minimal iq..

    havent u heard about all muslims r not terrorists..so howcan all christains be coversionists..

    u belive crores of peole r the same.

    u do not even need to take a statistics class..even kids know even a small sample of 100 have exceptions..idiot my 5 yr old niece knows that all apples r not sweet..

    keep making an *** of ur self regaling me…

    stick to ur art and poetry..at least some apreciate that…but IQ skilss like
    rasoning and analysis based on facts r just not ur thing…

    coo kisses to sharma instead and disagee in ur mild pansy manner ..

    u have taken leave of ur limiet senses…

    frivolity about sonia as a way to evade facts and logic…just shows how
    helpless ur ….

    an since when has the italian sonia started using british expressions like bloody that u slavish maculayites use..

    u break ur own no abuse-no anger rules and come across as a hopless dimwit..

    now atleat take my advice…

    it is better keeping ur mouth shut and thought afool than opening it and removing all doubt…

    stick to ur limericks instead…at least u r appreciated…

    though i would not mind a video of u doing bharat natyam too as someone siad..

    ur partner sharama will publish it i am sure owr u can send us a youtube link…

    and may be that will be appreciate d too…dont even try the brain-necesssary stufff

    u r hopelessly at SEA..sonia will be proud of ur derision and mockery of hindus
    in temples…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    You took panga with wrong guy/gal !!!

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Shenoy, James, Deepak and Prabhat

    Gentlemen, stop this acrimonious debate and let us be back on track to the subject of blog. It serves on one’s purpose . Yes, Mr. Vinod Sharma may be smiling thinking that at last the monkey is off his back and that the focus has shifted somewhere else.
    BNA

    tajender Reply:

    deepak i accept we are different .we should not follow u.we should maintain our personility.but i will not allow u to eat my share in national wealth.u are 13-15%.remaining 85%should go remaining.
    last week baba ramdev was in dubai stayed in the hotel ,his manager told me that he puchased items worth 30 lac indian ruppees in one day.this ugly baba is leading now leading anti-coruption compaign.
    why u people dont understand that yoga is fraud and he has looted indian through that humbug.
    morning brisk walking is far better than this.

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  • james

    well said shalu…

    the media treats dawood gang meber sorabuddin as angel despite his criminality
    and Let Ishrat too… and the recent fake affidavit by sanjiv bhatt against modi
    after 9 years evn if he has criminal record that they hide just like contradictory affidavits
    by many police officers present in 2002… which r shamelessly hidden

    and then they tell us about relevant to the topic like this sharma..

    and the deem fit excuse trotted out by shrama to hide the cd source…

    and peole like shenoy come out to defend this cheat…and his opposing comments to sharama r like domestic spat between 2 lovers..

    by the way artists are also known to be gay loverboys..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @james
    Liked your james bond narrative to your blonde.

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    deepak Reply:

    sharma this is sexist comment..as usual u expose ur hypocrisy and fraud…

    and u claim to be progressive and what not like neutral and against corruption and about ur inetgrity..

    yeah the chandigarh cd exposes u

    and even kids have better retorts unlike ur one liners james bond,part pooper,deem fit,
    etc etc… go and dance with shenoy/satish who love u as someone said

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    ram Reply:

    He is a known BJP biter we know that, but he will respond thats gr8, appreciate that

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Deepak
    Aap kaun hain ji. Get a certificate of gud conduct first from your wife or girlfriend.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ram
    Ramu bhaiya, I am not BJP biter. I am BJP baiter. Angreji nahin aati kya?

    ram Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    Sharmu Uncle ur very gud @ proofing, keep it up, it will be very useful after ur retirement !

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    bonded to the blonde.

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    deepak Reply:

    ha ha shenoy takes up for his partner…like a doting partner

    it is a gay bond ofcourse ..

    someone has given proof of this before citing shenoys loverboy sof tone when he opposes sharma…

    shenoy must be thanking god homosexuality is legal now…

    these artists have a lot of them…and i do not grudge u that shenoy..

    to each his own…

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    No point in wasting time with these dumb name changers… let us have a new poem from U ! :D

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shenoy
    Yeh deepu diwana bahut hasta hai. Isko liquid oxygen mein dubo dein kya?

    maya Reply:

    vijay

    i am visiting this blog after days….and u idiots r calling me an alias..

    genius…first anwer the points of facts and logic as shyam and james and deepak have siad…

    aliases or not is irrelavant..

    it is obvious u brainless guys do not have logical abilities..

    no wonder u resort to poetry and comedy…on a news blog..

    looks like u r suffering from attention deprivation..like shenoy…
    if u want us to clap fine…

    but common sense dictates that if we wanted poetry or comedy

    we would hear the professionals on the internet..

    not 2 pathetic clowns like u and shenoy..

    shenoy has the hots for sharama as said by deepak
    so u have no chance with shenoy..

    so stick to flattering him for his poetry…

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma ji

    Sir, it seems you are in a jovial mood to-day. But I am still waiting your response to my post. Hope you have something to say on the issues I raised.
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BN Anand
    You are right about certain muslim leaders seeking to incite passions. But should TV channels also join in the retrograde campaign at the expense of communal harmony and national security?
    As for Digvijay, I diagree with his statements that are not only ill-timed but badly worded. About time that he is reined in by his party.At the same time nothing in my view should be done to make Muslims prove their patriotism each time India plays Pakistan in cricket or an Osama is killed.

    maya Reply:

    maya Reply:sharma anand asked u where most muslims form their beliefs and ur evading an answer as usual…

    paswan had an osama look alike in his meetings ..he knows the muslim strret much better
    that people like u..who use fake cds to fraud peole to earn congress crumbs

    and when u and tv channels scream about post godhra muslims only…that is fine..

    for 9 years now u r keeeping the wounds alive..and the communal cauldron burning
    for vote bank..

    and now to favor the muslims u r talking the opposite…

    most of the muslims dont watch tv but hear their leaders and mosque preachers as a duty..

    sharma u r something else..u contradict ur own words by actions..

    and it is actions that speak not lies

    and dont try that nonense of good cop and bad cop..

    diggy wuld not defy sonia ..he has her blessings for all the statements..

    look at u r own fraud for congress rewards…diggy ,u and congress r all masters of double speak..diggy is wooing votebank

    and sonia approves….just like their good cop bad cop tactics on corruption

    tajender Reply:

    nobody can kill a criminal except court.he was killed for money,not for deshbhakti, otherwise same people were using him to extract money from poors.

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    maya Reply:

    and when u and tv channels scream about post godhra muslims only…that is fine..

    for 9 years now u r keeeping the wounds alive..and the communal cauldron burning
    for vote bank..

    and now to favor the muslims u r talking the opposite…

    most of the muslims dont watch tv but hear their leaders and mosque preachers as a duty..

    sharma u r something else..u contradict ur own words by actions..

    and it is actions that speak not lies

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Prabhat,

    you said, “@Shenoy

    Digvijay Singh is the 1st line of defence for Congress. Need say more ?”

    “vinash kaale vipareeta buddhi”. I am glad that God has blessed Sonia Gandhi with a very limited intelligence and zero ability to use that small intelligence for her party’s good, if not for the country’s good and this Digvinash Singh is spelling her party’s doom.

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  • Prabhat

    @Shenoy

    Even as a reluctant leader, Sonia Gandhi did a remarkable job trying to revive Congress. She did it single handedly what our so called natural,son-of-the-soil, macho leaders could not do collectively.

    She did not resort to rhetorics. She did not fooled the whole country with wrong promises. She did not spoil lives of thousands of people. She did not destroy the very social fabric of this country. She did not lead mob to destroy any temple/musjid/church.

    Yet she emerged as a leader to reckon with.

    Albeit late, but even Sushma and Advani have developed respect for Sonia as a leader.

    Her intelligence is limited, yet appropriate. She has managed to achieve what no other political leader has managed in recent times.

    You can go on and on like a Long Playing record about Sonia. I am sure even your own words would start sounding hollow to your own ears after sometime.

    Ask Advani & Co to defeat her politically.

    Or, ask Advani & Co to take “political sanyaas” to Varanasi.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    with this post you have shown that you are indeed Vinodji’s proxy, if not Vinodji himself.

    “She did not resort to rhetorics.”
    I have said it before, but let me repeat: the only times she opened her mouth was to badmouth Vajapayee and Narendra Modi with “dimagi halat theek nahin hai” and “maut ka saudagar”-highly condemnable and cheap comments. The only other time she opened her mouth was to make rthe worst political statement of her life”We have 272″. Therefore my reposte to your claim is that she is incapable of rhetoric. This last remark puts paid to your claim on her behalf that she is a “reluctant leader”. She became an Indian citizen most reluctantly and very late. She is plainly a plain Jane incapable of becoming the PM.

    “She did not fool the whole country with wrong promises”. She has fooled enough with her NAREGA and Free Food schemes.

    “She did not spoil lives of thousands of people. She did not destroy the very social fabric of this country. She did not lead mob to destroy any temple/musjid/church.”

    Her party has done immense harm to the lives of Indians by waging unsuccessful wars in 1947, , 62, 65, and 71, bartering big chunks of our land. Their economic policies ruined the lives of millions for four decades by imposing socialism on a poor, highly populated country.

    Indira Gandhi destroyed the Golden Temple, the most sacred place of worship for the Sikhs. By training and financing LTTE, millions of Srilankans of Indians lost everything they had in the war.

    My point was that she is only presiding over the liquidation of the party which has caused all the above.

    “Her intelligence is limited, yet appropriate”.
    It is appropriate only to operate the Swiss Bank accounts, not for running the country.

    Your long playing record of “Sonia Gungaan” has cracked. Only, you do not see it.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Your post : “….with this post you have shown that you are indeed Vinodji’s proxy, if not Vinodji himself. …”

    Shenoy! This line of your thought is already jaded and out-dated. You can go on stretching this for self-gratification.

    Your Post : “…….her mouth was to badmouth Vajapayee and Narendra Modi with “dimagi halat theek nahin hai” and “maut ka saudagar”…..”

    Let me refresh your memory, when your so called macho leaders were going all over the town calling her names and kept persisting for weeks, she just gave left hook. She called Vajpayee a “liar”. Vajpayee started sulking. And the whole gang of your macho leaders fell silent. That’s what just a single left hook does to BJP. Why did she call Vajpayee a liar ? Pull out nespapers, check the context. Vajpayee can never out-grow that lie in his own lifetime.

    Your Post : “…has fooled enough with her NAREGA and Free Food schemes…”

    Check out with BJP ruled states, how they are trying to grab the credit for NAREGA… and one of your favourite CM has been circulating school bags claiming credit foe central schemes.

    Your post : “…harm to the lives of Indians by waging unsuccessful wars in 1947, , 62, 65, and 71…”

    People including leaders in BJP still hail 1971 war. That’s not like NDA mobilising the whole army to the border at the cost of more than 15000 crores after the attack on the Parliament and then returning to barrack without firing a single bullet !

    Your Post : “…only to operate the Swiss Bank accounts,…”

    Shri Shri Rathyatri Advani just said sorry to Sonia openly. May be you should be asking Advani why did he do that !

    Well Shenoy ! You started the debate on Sonia on this unrelated blog. I did not.

    But we can have a long and detailed debate anytime.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Some facts about this lady are revealed by Subrahmanyam Swami on his web-site. Some more in the book “The Red Saree”. Some more in the various scandals which have come out from time to time.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Praveen

    You know something great about Swamy !

    He discovered a new silver bullet to hit people.

    He believes he can throw any dirt at anybody and the onus lies on the other person to prove charges untrue. He does not have to prove.

    But he is just a fringe politician, though not in the same league as Amar Singh.

    His flip-flops are well documented.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Pelting stones on political rivals, treating the country as its family jagir , repeating lies a thousand times hoping that some would linger on , looting of public money, destroying public institutions have been the history of the Congress and the family which runs it .

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Praveen

    Great Freudian slip !!!

    You just described BJP’s DNA !!!

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The same Vajapayee also saved the Amul cry baby when he was arrested by New York airport police with $2million cash whose source the Amul baby was not able to explain. I am sure HT or any other newspaper never described fully, Sonia Gandhi’s own “dimaagi halat” when she begged the same Vajapayee to save her darling Amul Cry baby, as she must have herslf cried, “Vajapayeeji, he is a bachchcha, a cry baby, he is also innocent. Please, Please, please save him”.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    “Great Freudian slip !!!”

    Is this is really Dr.Jekyll speaking?

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji, you said,

    “Your Post : “…only to operate the Swiss Bank accounts,…”

    Shri Shri Rathyatri Advani just said sorry to Sonia openly. May be you should be asking Advani why did he do that !”

    You wrote a whole blog on a non-happening “apology” by Advani to Sonia Gandhi (Feb21) and your readers have already nailed the blatant lie and have abundantly made clear the difference between an apology and a regret. Advani had merely said that if what the party has said has pained her he is sorry. He never said that the party was wrong in its research and its findings that she had in fact Swiss Bank account(s) were wrong. Therefore, Vinodji, it would be wise on your part not to give a different “rang” to the regret.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    I am glad you decided to close the discussion on leadership ability of Sonia.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    Is Prabhat ki abhi subah nahi hui.

    ram Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    So ur holding brief to GANGOTHRI of corruption, excellent, but ppl i mean am admi will forget “SACRIFICE” very soon don’t worry

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @ram

    Ask Advani to do sacrifice the chance of becoming the PM of this country and work for the betterment of BJP.

    Just tell Advaniji- “Sir ! Please do not try to become the Prime Minister of India.We want you to only work for the party and the cause of hindu. “.

    Let’s see what kind of political service he will be ready to provide after that.

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    ram Reply:

    @Prabhat

    Bishma Pitamaha was a g8 worrier ever born. SHIKANDI defeted him, will that make SHIKANDI the greatest warior than Bishma ?

    Can u just show me one corruption charge against Advaniji. He made it very clear he is no more interested in becoming PM.

    Ask your masters not to blcok Author Javier Moro’s novel EL Saro Rojo (The Red Saree)

    and you wanted to know more about love jihad, here is the menu card
    http://greathindu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/lovejehadmenu.jpg

    Prabhat Reply:

    -

    I was asking you to request Ahri Shri Advaniji to give up the ambition for Prime Ministership and work for the cause of Hindus to check his sense of sacrifice and drama.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Ram

    Hindu boys too should go after muslim girls if they find them attractive.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Ram

    But converting non-hindus to Hindu is a real difficult process. I mean the conversion rituals in hinduism is a real difficult one. After that also the society does not accept the converted ones as real hindus. I guess that’s the reason people are not converting to hindu.

  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~ :D :D ~~ PAKISTAN KO DIYA BAMBOO — PAKISTAN NE UGLA LAMBOO ~~ :D :D ~~~

    This is a lesson for all our Indian public, our foreign policy experts as well as the idiotic candle holders. Pakistan can NEVER NEVER NEVER be trusted.+

    Only when the Americans shoved in the bamboo (rod) in the last few months and relentlessly pounded it with drone attacks, did the LAMBOO ( tall man called Osama ) come out of Pakistan’s womb. :D :D :D

    Ha ha ha ah !! :D :D :D

    But India does not use the bamboo ! Instead some softheads rush with candles to Wagah with tears that “brother Pakistanis are also victims of terror.” And what does Pakistan do then ??

    It insults India. And yestersay its foreign secretary rubbed salt by saying that Indian demands for victims of 26/11 are out dated… :( :(

    What a _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you said, “All American assests — direct and surrogate— are in grave danger across the world, notably in Pakistan, Afghanistan. Iraq and elsewhere. India too might be on this list.”

    The only American “asset” in India is Manmohan Singh and the funny thing is that if he is kidnapped by the Al Qaeda, neither the congress party, nor the opposition nor the Americans will be unduly worried. It would only lead to a comic situation.

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    tajender Reply:

    because he looks more like a x-ray report.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Don’t be naive. It is no joking matter. In Indian there is a serious possibility of US missions coming under attack. And let us not wish anything untoward for the PM even jocularly despite differences on his policies.

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    ram Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    Sharma Uncle Angreji nahin aati kya? In Indian there is…….

    In India there is

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ram
    Oh pappu pass ho gaya, pappu pass ho gaya. Arrey koyi ramu bhaiya on lolly pop dena. Chusenge tou chup rahenge. :)

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ram
    Aaj mein bahut khush hun koyonki mein ban gaya ramu ka mamu :) jeetey raho bachche.

    ram Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Lekin Mamu to pir fail ho gaya, bhaiya on lolly………

    Babiji ko mera pranam, So tomorrow is Akshytritya and gift her dimond necklace like Amitab

    nirav Reply:

    @Shenoy/vinod sharma

    MMS is not American asset.I agree with Vinod sharma.
    He is gillanis asset.(property of pakistan aka terroristan).
    If he was in movie Gadar instead of sunny he would fit the role perfectly except,
    1)he would say pak zindabad and hindustan murdabad(oh yes and baluchistan sory sory)
    2)he would then leave sakina and even his son there as a gift and then …continue composite dialogues till amrishpuri dies of boredom:)

    I still remeber his 2 famous quotes
    1)India and pakistan share a common destny and are both victims of terror:) with osama in the bathroom…hahahah
    2)the first right on countries resources belong to the muslims…(as if he owns the resources.and hindus dont pay taxes….isnt he a public servant?)

    MMS has been a disaster in foreign and national policy…no doubt.(he has been bad even on domestic policies at 10 janpath of late;)
    But some people have still to smell the cofee…

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji, if you look at it dispassionately, you will agree with me that those American ‘missions’ you are talking about are not assets, but liablities. I reiterate that MMS is their only asset, besides, of course, Amul Baby, whom they are very, very eager to cultivate (remember Wikileaks?).

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    At times we must get over our prejudices for a serious discussion. Just a thought. Take it or leave it.

    nirav Reply:

    nirav Reply:

    May 6th, 2011 at 1:52 am

    @Shenoy/vinod sharma

    MMS is not American asset.I agree with Vinod sharma.
    He is gillanis asset.(property of pakistan aka terroristan).
    If he was in movie Gadar instead of sunny he would fit the role perfectly except,
    1)he would say pak zindabad and hindustan murdabad(oh yes and baluchistan sory sory)
    2)he would then leave sakina and even his son there as a gift and then …continue composite dialogues till amrishpuri dies of boredom:)

    I still remeber his 2 famous quotes
    1)India and pakistan share a common destny and are both victims of terror:) with osama in the bathroom…hahahah
    2)the first right on countries resources belong to the muslims…(as if he owns the resources.and hindus dont pay taxes….isnt he a public servant?)

    MMS has been a disaster in foreign and national policy…no doubt.(he has been bad even on domestic policies at 10 janpath of late;)
    But some people have still to smell the cofee…

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you said, “@Shenoy

    I am glad you decided to close the discussion on leadership ability of Sonia.”

    Who am I to ‘close’ the discussion on Sonia Gandhi’s non-existent leadership ability? You are the blog master and the censor. Just as my ‘beautiful poem’ on Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde was made to suffer the censor’s scissor-cut, any unpalatable items can always be made to undergo moderation.

    But, you have, despite all your non-stop Sonia-guna-gaan, accepted that “Her intelligence is limited”.

    May be, you can say, ‘check mate’.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Looking London, talking Tokyo !!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    And you are looking Pakistan, talking Kabrastan.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    :) @ Shenoy

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Where did I make this remark?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    You didn’t. I did.

    Shenoy is just working hard to prove that Prabhat is Vinod Sharma.

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    ram Reply:

    how does it matter, both r “BEWARE OF” behind 10 janpath gate

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    A case of left hand not knowing what the right hand has written.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Don’t be paranoid. I don’t resort to such gimmicks. I have no clones or sock puppets on this blog.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Very entertaining discussion on Operation Osama on Pak TV. Zaid Hamid is as usual at his best but just look at the body language of anchor and the lady. They truly represent shameless pakistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I0f1tG0Qa0&feature=player_embedded#at=823

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  • vijay kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ OYE BALLE BALLE… VINODJI HAS AT LEAST SEEN DIGVIJAY’S GAME !! :D :D ~~

    Well in one posting above, Vinod Sharmaji has exposed Digvinash’s game of communal disharmony. Let’s all raise our glass to that !!! :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    we have been saying that this Digvinash Singh spells disaster for the congress party in the short term and sarvanash in the long term and finally Vinodji himself admitted that he is a danger to the party (and its supporters in the media).

    On a different plane, we have heard Pakistanis sing this couplet often:

    Ladke liya Pakistan
    Hans ke lenge Hindustan

    Now, I have a reply:

    Ladke alag kiya East Pakistan ko
    Hans ke alag karenge Baluchistan ko
    sothe sothe khatam karenge Pakistan ko

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    :) @ Shenoy

    Hmmm… Diggy Raja is Digvinash for me now. Sarvanash can be an interesting name. For whom? — Mani? Manish ? Kapil ?? The stern lady who belches out Modi modi…?

    OR

    The one and only Yuvraj… :D

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Mr. Shenoy
    @ Mr. Vijay Kumar

    Gentlemen, I had insisted on Mr. Vinod Sharma’s response to one of my posts(above). Mr. Sharma was candid enough this time to accept that it is time for the congress party to rein in Mr. Digvijay Singh. I am glad he listened to his conscious at last.

    BNA

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Dr Anand,

    You are right. Vinodji finally did agree to what was so obvious to all of us.

    But I hope that the empire does not strike back at him…

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BN Anand
    You must always pass value judgement. No? That is not good talking manners. You insist and I reply.And then you start patting yourself on the back.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma ji

    No sir, it is the other way round. I immediately acknowledged your candidness and was indeed appreciating your being very pragmatic. May I assure you there was no attempt on my part to take credit for your very honest comments. It was indeed very nice of you to have responded when I insisted. That does not take any credit from you for your honest comments.
    I am writing this to simply put the record straight and once again I compliment you for your being very practical in your approach.
    After all, you are a seasoned and a very senior journalist and it does not behoove of you to be complaining like this.
    BNA

  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D :D ~~~ JOKER PM GILANI, FRANCE SE DUM DABA KAR BHAAGA ~~~ :D :D :D ~~~

    The Pakistani PM, Gilani, has been forced to cut short his visit to France. And that too after a lot of hoopla in the Pakistani press about protocols and agreements France was going to sign with the emerging military and economic power called Pakistan.

    Now they can be two reasons

    1) Gilani went too close to Carla Bruni and lost control ! :D

    2) Or he is being pilloried by the International media for Pakistan’s hospitality to Osama Bin .

    NDTV claims it is the second. I think it could be the first! :D

    Since the ISI could not locate Osama next to its own office, it should take up easier projects like the one above and put tis sleuths on the job and find the right answer . !! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    May be Geelani thought if he changes the tactics and gropes the botom instead of the top(s), he may cheat youtube this time.

    Poor fellow, this Geelani, he is getting all the flak for Kayani’s terror tactics.

    As for the ISI, it can now train its “operatives” in the LeT to work on their greatest sympathisers in the whole world, our own (and I am ashamed to call them our own) Digvinash Singh and Amul Baby Yuvaraj.

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    ram Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Latest 10 wickets down in North Waziristan, courtesty US drones

    Yesterday Kayani warned US against violating Terroristan airspace

    Kayani has the balls to attack Amrica ?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ ram,

    Kayani has no balls… but has growls ~~ :D ~~

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    you just said, “@BV Shenoy
    Don’t be paranoid. I don’t resort to such gimmicks. I have no clones or sock puppets on this blog.”

    Why, then, are you censoring my comments since yesterday?

    Several of my posts have been deleted. Do you think it can be explained away?

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    “@BV Shenoy
    At times we must get over our prejudices for a serious discussion. Just a thought. Take it or leave it.”

    I admit we have serious difference of opinion on almost every subject you write on.
    Most of the bloggers here say Sonia Gandhi has severe handicaps in the areas of leadership, speech, self esteem and understanding India. You bracket all these opinions into one folder called “prejudice”.

    She has never given a speech of her own, never given a press conference, never opened her mouth in the parliament. She took Indian citizenship, almost as if under severe duress, extremely belatedly, but still you say she loves India, she sits behind locked doors when Kashmir is burning. Has never considered it necessary to visit the state to apply the famous balm the Kashmiri stone throwers were dying for (literally).

    Still, you extoll her virtues. She virtually overthrew Sitaram Kesari to occupy his chair as congress chief, but you term it as leadership.

    These and many other issues are getting discussed, which cannot by any stretch of imagination, called “prejudiced views.

    The whole country is wringing its hands at the stony silence being maintained by the Soia-MMS team on the Osama episode, but you are kosher with it, because you believe silence is golden under these “trying times”.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    This blog is about Osama, Obama, Pakistan, US and Al Qaeda. Not about Sonia Gandhi. We can discuss her when I write anything related to her.Quite obviously you have an agenda. A one point agenda. Now that is a very very frustating.
    If you wan to keep it that way, I’d have no option except to keep quiet.

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    badal Reply:

    very clever just like ur iuml secularism evasion…u never write such topics

    also like ur fake cd evasion..u actually said source is not the topic
    when even a dumbo will know sourse is part of the same bhushan cd topic

    same for godhra train hidden under u rpost godhra screams

    idiot u know that u deliberately keep quiet about sonia just like other mafia sold out to congress who pays u from loot of people …. because she will have ur balls for breakfast and some other bulldog will get a promotion to nmc
    or a reward..

    u think ur smarter than us who have decent jobs…not a congress shit licking job like u because u can do nothing else..u cant even rebut like school debaters do..

    ur rebuttals r party pooper,poetry,james bond and blond, etc..and only in india
    mafia like u r journos because ur media is sold out..

    fraud u guys hid radia tapes..

    i wont call u an ashole..it will give aholes a bad name..they r much better ..not traitors and frauds

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Having been given a bloody nose by the yanks, the Pakistanis may want to foment more terror in India just to satisfy their domestic constituency of Talibanites, Laskhkarites and Queeda-iets. They would be quite sure that India wont retaliate like the Americans…

    What’s your take on this?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Why wouldn’t India retaliate? Ever heard of covert action?

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  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    Vijay Kumar

    Is it possible that the Pakistani society, particularly the facebook generation, takes the view that post Osama Pakistan should enjoy some peace dividend. After all, they are quite used to taking inspiration from Arab nations for Jihad, will they now be equally inspired by the Arab Spring and forge them selves into a Post Osama, Post Jihad society.

    What is your take on this?

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    tajender Reply:

    dawood smuggled explosives because of communal riots perputuated hindu fascists after demolition of babri mosque.
    why u are not asking for leaders of that rowdy brigade to be punished as well and arrested.
    i am not supporting dawood ,i want him arrested.but root in problem is rss who initiated ram movement for vote politics.
    after demolition of mosue muslims were taunted and insulted in trains and buses.all types of lies against them were propagated in media.

    by excessive buying on arms PAKISTAN HAS MADE HIMSELF a junooni state.america ne usko uski auqat dikha dee.ossama was there with knowledge of **** generals.

    sometime IF RAT WALKS WITH ELEPHANTS HE THINKS HIMSELF ALSO AN ELEPHANT.
    our pawan helicopters are falling everyday.we are spending most of our budget on arms starving indians to death.49%of our women are enemic.poverty in india is more than poverty
    in sub sahara region.our gdp is still less than gdp of indonesia.
    think some time for india and indian as well.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ ISI agent and Shan’s Kuttar

    Frankly Pakistan has made a mess of these opportunities before. It just does not show a resolve to exterminate the jehadis inside thinking that they are children of God.

    Such a chance came when the evil cobra called Gen Zia was hijacked by God. It came when India extended the hand of friendship curtesy Vajpayee or for that matter when Indira Gandhi gave back the conquered areas in ‘72.

    But… Pakistanis always persued a hidden agenda of trying to survive by demolishing India.

    Now hoepfully they will learn secularism and democracy from India, rather than try to demolish it ! :)

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    DID NO ONE IN Pakistan know about this operation ??

    Of course Kayani and Pasha knew that the yanks were flying in to take out Osama. No way would Obama have risked 4 helicopter loads of elite commandoes being fried by F-16s on their way out.
    Cant have hollywood making another sequel called- FOUR BLACK HAWKS DOWN

    Or maybe they were told just to make sure that no one shoots down 4 helicopters who are on a secret mission to Abotabad. Why they are there, maybe that bit was kept secret.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    WHAT SHOULD INDIA’S STANCE BE ??

    Do not make repeated demands- give us Dawood, or Hafiz Sayeed etc. ASK ONCE ONLY.
    If you have the power like USA, then you can make these demands. Otherwise keep quiet, it makes us look weak.
    Instead go after these terrorist masterminds. Pay crores to hit sqads or rival talebani ppl to go after Dawood etc. Reactivate RAW in Pakistan- Gujral idiot had withdrawn it from Pakistan.
    Never forget your naval strength and Pakistan’s weakness- Nawaz Sharif had openly said that the Indian naval blockade had almost brought Pak to its knees on account of oil.

    And next time there is a Kasab, show some muscle rather than verbal diarrrhoea- we will bomb camps, salami land grabs etc. BULL SH..

    Like the iconic scene in ‘The good, the bad and the ugly’ where the man in his bathroom shoots first at his gloating would be assasin- ‘If you have to shoot, then shoot. Dont talk’

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  • tajender

    digvijay is tight.ossama was waging a holy on americans and isreali because of palestine and their plan to destroy 3rd holy mosque of muslims in jerusalam.he was not against india or indians.
    why so much hatred against somebody who dont hate u.his name did not appear in 26/11 ,sept 11 was perpetuated by zoinists,to open war muslims,iraq and afghanistan.
    ossama did good for americans by giving him proper burial.otherwise attack on american soldiers
    and their supply lines passing through pakistan would have increased.
    ossama has support of 90%of muslims of world.alqaeda is the nato of muslims made to protect them after balkan war.hindu brhmnst/zoinists are abusing islam and muslims by abusing ossama.
    there are 3-4million hindus working in arabic countries non of them was ever attacked because of their faith.
    zoinists are secret insigators of all the mascares in the world.they have same plan in india.by chance purohit and gang caught.hate is their duty.through war and voilence THEY MAKE MONEY.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Digvijay, presently known to Indians as Digvinash, is always tight.

    Even when he is sober, which is rare, he talks like a man heading the LeT.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    While we aam aadmi’s on this blog are generally in agreement that you have shown remarkable equanimity with all kinds of praise and criticism, Dr. Anand has analysed your behaviour and diagnosed you as showing symptoms of the following “ailments”

    1your candidness and pragmatism.

    2.your honesty in your comments.

    3. A weakness to accept challenges thrown at you by even readers like Shaalu/ Deepu/ Shyam etc.

    4. very practical in your approach.

    I hope you will submit yourself for further examination and obtain suitable remedies. Besides, Dr. Anand has observed that of late you are showing moods of joviality and even fun, even while at other times you show emergency-type of paranoia and resort to censoring even innaucuous comments from Shenoy. Which, you will agree, are a danger if displayed in excess and frequently.

    I do not have Dr. Anand’s cell number nor his e-mail ID. However, My advice to is to get in touch with him immediately, leaving all your blog duties to Prabhat.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    You have always sought to take me on with a clutch of supporters. what about a dialogue without third party intervention? We may diagree but we aren’t India and Pakistan that we need some Uncle Sam or Mr America to talk. As for my medical bulletin, it reads like an ISI location report on Osama. Which side are you dear?

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  • Praveen Saxena

    “This blog is about Osama, Obama, Pakistan, US and Al Qaeda”

    But cannot the readers express their curiosity whether the person who appoints the PM of India, and her son , from who the PM feels so pleased to take “Orders” (” Adesh” to release the financial package for Bundelkhand), have any views on the developments in Pakistan which the whole world is discussing and analysing.
    Even some monosyllabic quotes or some rambling would be welcome . Or has the field been left for their Sr. Genl Secy ,who our friends here like to call Digvinash Singh..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxenaji
    I don’t think Mr Shenoy and I require third party intervention to resolve our differences.Thank you for the effort Mr America :) )

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Quite true Sirjee, no role for a third party when India and Pakistan are talking . But what can Uncle Sam do if both keep coming , quietly , for a favourable nod and maybe a smile… …

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    Quite true. I don’t think I have any major difference with you which needs third party intervention. Whenever I have something to say- which is quite often by the way- I have spoken directly to you.

    However, please be kind enough to explain to an elder brother why his posts are censored/deleted.
    If the idea is to stop getting posts which you regard as obnoxious, I will only be too glad to take “sanyas” from your blog.

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    oho, Mishraji, brave words- “”"Do not make repeated demands- give us Dawood, or Hafiz Sayeed etc. ASK ONCE ONLY.
    If you have the power like USA, then you can make these demands. Otherwise keep quiet, it makes us look weak.
    Instead go after these terrorist masterminds. Pay crores to hit sqads or rival talebani ppl to go after Dawood etc. Reactivate RAW in Pakistan- Gujral idiot had withdrawn it from Pakistan.
    Never forget your naval strength and Pakistan’s weakness- Nawaz Sharif had openly said that the Indian naval blockade had almost brought Pak to its knees on account of oil.

    And next time there is a Kasab, show some muscle rather than verbal diarrrhoea- we will bomb camps, salami land grabs etc. BULL SH..

    Like the iconic scene in ‘The good, the bad and the ugly’ where the man in his bathroom shoots first at his gloating would be assasin- ‘If you have to shoot, then shoot. Dont talk’
    UNQUOTE
    Mishraji- wishful thinking??? India doing all this- if only pigs could fly

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  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    Vijay ji

    Some of the points you make are very valid, so here is my response, not entirely contradicting yours but more an attempt to look considering them from a different angle.

    It is very true that Pakistan Army is using the Jihadi fervour as a deniable tool against India. No one is happier than I am, to see this very tool turning against its master. In my view the more Pakistan’s energies are devoted their internal defence, the better it is for India.

    I am of the opinion that the hard line social and military experiment with Islamism is entering its terminal phase and one would soon see Salafi Mullahs still shouting their Jihadi nonsense and fewer and fewer people listening to them.

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    rajiv Reply:

    Pakisan state sponsored criminal activities and terrorism, is an irritant for India, but will surely destroy the vile entity born out of Jinnah’s despicable politics based on religious identity. Thats good in a way.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ ISI agent

    Rather strange name yaar !! I think u should revert to ur original name as ISI has lost its sheen after this bungle!

    Anyway I dont see things improving in Pakistan as the culture out there is so far deep into the world of jehad that it cannot reverse without changing the constitution of Pakistan into a secular state which believes in gender equality. Why?

    Because if Pakistan still talks about being an Islamic state, it will keep fighting against Shias and Qadianis, proclaining that they are lesser Muslims. And will still keep killing HIndus, SIkhs, Christians and Buddhists.

    And unless Pakistan proclaims gender parity, it will still keep producing Osamas who keep five wives, making four men go wifeless. One of these four will become a homosexual; two will try to convert women from other religions. And at least one will go along the path of jehad because of sexual frustration… :D

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Vijay ji.

    You are right about the current Pakistan culture being closer to Wahabism than it used to be even short 15 or so years ago..

    However, there are girl’s schools in Pakistan, despite the bombing of Sufi Shrines, Sufism is still evident as the largest religious practice.

    My personal view is that the silent majority in Pakistan will one day re-assert itself, once their Army stops patronising the Salafi elements of their society. The reason why I believe this is because I do not believe that Salafism is a sustainable practice.

    I will grant you that reversal of recent hardening of Pakistan’s religious make-up will not be easy, or painless or quick, but it will and has to happen. Pakistan will not any time soon become a secular democratic country, such as India is. However, the trend will reverse itself and it will become like Morocco, Egypt, Dubai, etc. Where gender parity, whilst not perfect, does exist.

    As to my name, in another blog, I found, due to the opinions I expressed, I was labelled as a Pakistni/Jihadi/ISI agent and at least one Bengali took to regularly labelling me as a KUTTAR (Kutta to you and I). In the vain hope to focus discussions on the topic, rather than personalities, I adopted some of the abusive terms used as my name.

    Nothing changed I still get regularly abused.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ ISI agent,

    C’mon whatever your reason for this name, I think it is time you should change it. Or do u want ur life to be dictated by Shan? :)

    I know there are still girl’s schools in Pakistan. But the fact is all Taliban, Qaedaeites and Lashkars target them first. They would rather have women as fourth and fifth goats rather than one to one, equals. Surprisingly nobody ever thought about the men who remain wife-less just becasue the rich and violent manage to keep more wives ! :D

    is it not the reason many men are forcibly then coerced into Jehad? Time and again told that your duty is to kill kafirs and not ask for freedom or question society.

    Pakistan would surely need a Faiz Ahmed Faiz and not a Gilani or kiayani to revive it …

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Vijay

    I think you accurately describe the tacticts adopted by Islamists, it saddens me to observe what they do.

    The hope I am expressing is based on the fact that at first the Pakistan Army will realise that Islamism is no longer a cheap and effective force, which it can use against India. India has wisened up to this tactic.

    Once the support of the Army goes, and we already know that fundraising in Arab countries is not as easy as it used to be, then the power balance would change. With it will change the social dynamics and gender equation. Let us not forget that Madame Benazir Bhutto was the President of Pakistan and even the most secular and equal nation in the world, USA, is yet to have a woman President.

    As far as Faiz is concerned, nothing would give me gretaer pleasure to see him, Habib Jalib, Ibne Insha, etc to be the heros insted of OBL.

    My message to these great poets is.

    Chale bhi Aao kay gulshan ka karobar chale.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    ISI AGENT is a most obnoxious name, at least in India, though in Pakistan it may be a kind of title like the Britishers used to give the Indian browns, like Sir, Rai Bahadur etc.

    I think this agent needs to leave his agency and his title.

    The main reason why Pakistan is sliding into anarchy and will never stop the slide is that they have turned their backs on India and their Indian roots, which are five thousand years old. They have from the day, “Ladke liya Pakistan”, they have consciously tried, with disastrous results, to superimpose an alien culture of the middle east, in language, poshak, way of life, thought processes….. In fact, the whole nine yards.

    Now there is no use crying over spilt milk. They will self-destroy and may be in the next five decades the poison of the middle east Wahabi super-imposition will wash away in the Arabian sea and a few new nations will sprout, acknowledging their Indianness.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ ISI agent and Shenoy

    Agent… c’mon, you just read what SHenoy sahab has to say. Now being assosciated with the ISI is not something which any Indian would take as a respectable thing !

    Even for Pakistan, ISI is a agency which was nuirtured by Gen Yahoo (?) Khan, Gen Zia, Gen Musharraf etc etc and not really something which contributed to the democratic growth of Pakistan.

    Really it is something of a mindset thing. I for once Pakistnis start thinking that we don’t need the ISi… let us dissolve it. We don’t need the Army to interfere in civilian matters and it is NOT a protector, let us give more authority to the elected govt. Then maybe things can improve.

    If however the mindset is let us strenghten the ISI too protect us and maybe wish a better general takes over… well the slide will continue.

    The view in India is that ultimately Pakistan will become four nations with its current approach of dreaming that they are children of Arabs…

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    The ISI Ravi has guts..

    He is all praise for Madam Bhutto.. It was Madam Bhutto who connected ISI to terrorism, asking them to train the returning jehadis to infiltrate Kashmir and create mayhem. Overnite, what was a ragtag stick and stone movement was transformed into deadly weapons assault in Kashmir. What killed her was what she saw.

    There is nothing good about Pakistan. A majority theer believes that Osama was not in that complex and not killed. A majority still believes 9/11 was an american inside job. A majority believes India is there to annexe them. A majority believbes they are descendents of Arabds and do not have any genetric commonality with indians.

    Saarthak Reply:

    ROFL. Hillarious man Vijay!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    You suggested covert action.

    But …

    Then don’t you realise that India just does not have the balls for covert action. All our peaceniks take over whenever there is a possibilty of covert action taking place — they would rather have a kabab platter with the Pakistan HIgh commissioner. :D .

    Morarji Desai, fooled by evil cobra Zia’s smile, surrendered our assets in Pakistan in 1978 and won the Nisha-e-Pakistan.

    Mani Sankat as Counsel general in Islamabad was too weak a guy and spent his times cracking Gen Zia jokes; Ik Gujral surrenderd our RAW operatives just for his wishy washy Jhelum diplomacy…

    And today MMS dreams of befreinding Pakistan as a crowing achievement, without bothereing about India’s most wanted…

    Where is the possibilty of covert action ?????????

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    Saarthak Reply:

    Absolutely valid and critical points made with humour. But points to ponder nonetheless. Manmohan Singh seems to be carrying forward IK Gujral’s self-destructive legacy. The lameducks has made us sitting ducks for Pakistani terrorists

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  • Raju Kurien

    Vinod Sharma, an apologist for Pakistan, along with people like MAni Sankar iyer, DigVijay Singh, is at it again..

    He makes it (wishful thinking!) look like it was a joint operation between US and Pakistan, but Pakistan , because of domestic issues, stayed out of lime light..

    In reality, as the news is coming out, it was a solo US operation; they did not communicate to Pak because of Pak double dealings, and they have already started asking for the ehads of certain army and ISI senior officers. The US congress wants to cut off aid, hearings have already started. US will extract its flesh out of Pak from this situation; iwe all will be better off if they do it right this time.

    People like Vinod are more dangerous than Pakistani double dealers.

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  • jai vaidya

    Why would the Pakistanis hide Osama from the Americans? The main problem with the Pakistanis comes down to identity. These Punjabi Hindu converts to Islam did not want to give up Osama because they are second class Muslims in the Arab hierarchy. They have lost face in the Arab street by the American raid. There is an organic link between the Arab’s religion and their culture.For Pakistanis, there is a huge disconnect between their religion and culture, as can be seen through their marriage ceremonies and sangeet ceremonies . They are Hindu culturally but are Arab in their religion.

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  • jai vaidya

    I think it’s time our Mandarins start rallying behhind Amirullah Saleh and Abdullah Abdullah in Afghanistan and give sanctuary to the Marri leadership in Baluchistan.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everyone;
    There is not even an iota of doubt that OBL was in the protection of Pakistani Army/ ISI. The reason to house him in Abbotabad was that Pakistani Army thought it to be safest place and Americans will never dare to hit a garrison town, so deep inside the boundry.Ofcourse, they, as ever, were, Over confident and ate dust.
    So many times, every Politician and Army person, proclaiming from house top that Osama is not in Pakistan. Musharraf claimed that he has died. I think, rumor of him,as a kidney patient were also deliberate, so as to distract, attention of his pursuers. For them, as long as OBL was alive, their importance, in the eyes of Americans will continue and they will continue to milk Americans for cash and Arms.
    A virtual studio at this house along with broadcasting instruments, clearly indicate the facilities provided by Establishment. All IT work and videography appear professional and this support can not go unnoticed by agencies in a garrison town.
    Now, Pakistan is trying to enter great game, acting as Chinese proxy. They have clear agenda of controling Afghanistan in cooperation with China, to gain depth and mineral riches. That is why China is coddling it all along as this lackey serves its purpose. Pakistanis have no attachment to soil, as they consider it as a land acquired by force in battle. They have had surrendered kashmir land to chinese and will not hesitate to barter more land for pecunary gains. This all appear very serious.
    America appears to be aware of this design, alas, Indians either do not know or have no plan to counteract, out of sheer cowardice. Americans have unequivocally recognized, LOC as International border, but that is not enough, Indians should assure them all help and make them agree to include all J& K in India. A begining has been made, UAE is giving stapled visa to Pakistani administered Kashmir residents and that land is being considered disputed, vis a vis Chinese perfidy.
    Indian public/ politicians should become prepared for the final show and hit the Pakistan very hard this time. Baluchistan, should be liberated, Pakhtunkhwa should be given to Afghanistan and Sindh should have borderless existence with India. Punjabi Pakistan will behave immensely well after this and will cease to be migrain of world.

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    shan Reply:

    @Panakaj#1, Totally agree , Infact you dont need the input of RAW or anybody on this matter. CHINESE HAVE RECENTLY OPENLY SAID THAT PAKISTAN IS DOING A GREAT JOB IN COUNTERING TERRORISM. Dismemberment of Pakistan , WILLSEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO CHINA, and to be frank will be good for world peace,good for india and very good for the poor masses of the COLONIES
    OF PUNJAB(PAKISTANI)

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  • rajiv

    If Pakistan has to correct itself, it should first dig Jinnah from his grave and hang him as many times as the number of humans ( Hindu, Muslim, Sikh ) killed in the 1947 partition, spawned by Jinnah’s religious bigotry. Its that politics of religious identity that has reduced Pakistan to a total dirty, criminal entity. The country has no goals, no lofty ideals, except to provide for feudal lords and terrorist gangs. India should publicly recognize that. Regarding Baluchistan , India should change its policy and offer every help to oppressd Baluchis to free themselvs of the criminal Pak Punjabi army.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    It is pertinent to remember that Khan of Kalat, baluchistan, had to sign papers with gun to his head, by Pakistani Army. kashmir Maharaja, took his own time and signed the document voluntarily.
    Pankaj

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @vijay, shenoy, pankaj, shri vaidya, shan, raju kurian, rakjiv- enjoyed your posts. Today Radio Sunrise in UK hosted a live debate on Osama. Most muslims gave this theory- mulims are an ummah and there are a lot of atrocities against them. That explains the rise of Osama.

    This is what I mentioned in response-
    1. In his will, Osama forbade his sons from joining al-queada or to fight on the frontline. But when it came to miserable Mohd Atta and his pals, and to thousands indoctrinated to be suicide bombers the world over- ON OSAMA’S EXHORTATIONS- sure, that was all right.

    2. I am fed upto the gills of a 40 mile ? stretch of land called Palestine holding the world hostage. Ummah, my foot. There are worse injustices in the world from Rwanda to Tibet, Palestine does not justify bloodcurdling murder elsewhere.

    In one of my heated discussions with a hothead muslim family friend here in Yorkshire- who was moaning about the whole world out to get ‘us muslims’ and about atrocities in Palestine- I remarked – to tere pita shri ka kya jaata hai. Tune thekha ley rakha hai poorey ummeh ka ?

    His parents loved the seekh I imparted. Unfortrunately, the hothead was too radicalised. goes around with a long furry beard and no moustache and then wonders why his career has stalled as compared to his moderate cousins.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dr. Mishra;
    Your observation is very correct. My fellow Pakistani physicians, otherwise not bad people, will surprise me with their bigoted views on religion and subcontinental history. It is no joke, that son of a fellow doctor, a bright , shy young person, had this to say about Subcontinental history, that civilization came to this part of world with Mohammad bin Kasim. This was some 20 years back. I was taken aback. So, that is the level of indoctrination and bigotry. I am sure, this has increased many times today. Pakistan is hurtling downwards relentlessly and my worry is that, it may not take India, along with itself. India and Indians should be very cautious with Pakistani dealings. They have developed this system of deception to a great extent. Blame the civil Government and Army can do any thing. power without responsibility for Army and responsibility without Power for Civilians.
    One of the strangest country on the face of this planet.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    At fellow pakistani readers.
    Can we have some discussions on atrocities being commited against Muslims, world over? I would like to listen to them as I am not aware of any atrocities against them.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra & Pankaj
    :) . Its funny to hear such stories from your side. Not sure if the people you are engaged with are intellectually capable of discussion or not.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Usman;
    Try me please.Assure you, no rhetorics or filthy language. A neat discussion in all seriousness.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Mr Pankaj,

    I can understand your position but what about those who day in and day out are out here to denounce someone’s identity (either religious or national). I would love to have a healthy discussion on any topic with anyone but somewhat personal commitments and sanity of voice would hamper my engagement.

    This one time i’ll point out one incident in time and that too not from distant past but two decades back when Serbs mericelessly butchered bosnian muslims. Shame that no muslim country came to help the albanians and bosnians but then NATO was quick to be reactive against Slobodan Milosovich and co.

    I’m not biased that muslims never commited any attrocities (i can go on to add up in the list) but then few like Salauddin Ayubi and Tariq bin Zayad were out there to help most against cruelties of that time.
    Please add further.

    Usman

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Usman

    I think it is important to remember that the whole world reacted against Slobdan and ultimately punished him and at that point countries with majority population of CHristans came out against him.

    Nobody said that Slobdan is Christian so we must support him, unlike what happens when Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed murder innocents and clerics incite Pakistanis to come out in their support as Masood Azhar and Hafez Saeed are “good’ Muslims.

    SO it is important to remember not to convert a narcotic smuggler like Dawood Ibrahim into an Islamic cause which all Pakistanis must support…

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    @Vijay,

    Hafiz Sayeed and Azhar Masood are not national heroes and neither are worshiped except for a few that doesn’t even make 1%. But yes the majority is silent. Sayeed is still in custody who despite previously been spared for lack of evidence in master minding 26/11 is holding trial (along with seven others) in court over here. Yet what lies pending is the trust deficiency between the two countries for fair exchange of delegation to question those who interrogated Kasab and also those to arrive here in Pakistan to question Hafiz Sayeed.

    Dawood is not our asset although he sought asylum in Karachi and had relations with Javed Miandad (the memons), his hideouts are largely unknown who by far as i come to know reside in Dubai/middle east. Indian authorities should trace him over there.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Thank you Usman for the reply.

    My problems with this is what most Indians think

    1) For Pakistanis, a smuggler, a narcotics manufacturere with a 20 billion US dollars remains a non consequential guy. He can attend the wedding of his daughter, Why can’t the Pakistani police interrogate Javed MIandad and find out where he is?

    NO sir, they will never do this. After all Dawood is a state asset. And for India and the world, the biggest villian.

    So is the case for Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed.

    THe trouble is Usman, till Pakistan realises how it is percieved worldwide, it will never change.

    For every possible criminal being sheltered there is an excuse. SOmetimes it is the non state actor thing. Other wise it is lack of proof.

    If 99% of Pakistan is good– as you tell us– then why can’t they exterminate these cancerous turds who form the 1% ?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Usman,
    today is very busy day for me, I will try to reach you on this blog some time later and preferably in the latest blog which I have not seen and we may be irrelevant, nevertheless, we will have our discussion. I have lived amongst muslims and do not carry hatred for, hatred itself, for them. what I hate is the bigotry and things which go with it. An open minded discussion is very welcome. I would like to start from very begining, even before salahuddin Ayubi etc.
    Regards

  • vijay kumar

    @ Dr Mishra

    Frankly the problem lies in the personal law which subjugates women to third class status.

    As long as the rich and pwerful will keep two or three wives, the poor will be asked to take up jehad so as not to question the rich.

    Similarly, Saudi Arabia, with a retrograde fuedal system wants to make sure that Democracy never takes root in Muslim majority countries so that the the Sheikh’s rule is never questioned.

    Given this scenario I don’t see things improving too fast.

    Ultimately the world has to ensure that this artifical confrontation created by religious men, ends. Maybe the dismemberment of Pakistan will at least ensure that the nuclear power does not end up having Hafeez Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim do not end up having the nuke button in hand…

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Vijay, I just noticed that you, in common with shan, pankaj and JAI VAIDYA, are aching for a Pak dismemberment into 4 little parts. While it would solve a lot of our problems, realistically I do not see that happening. Pak society is not that neatly packaged into 4 different geographical entities, there is a lot of intermixing.
    For example, although the army is punjab dominated, there are pakhtuns in top posts as well. Karachi is very mixed similarly, with sindhis, mohajirs and even bangladeshis in significant numbers.
    Impressed as I am with the evidence of CIA presence on the ground in significant numbers, I fervvently hope USA has a long term plan of neutralising Pak nukes in mind. Once that is done, maybe dismemberment will not be necessary.

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  • jai vaidya

    Doc Mishra, I am not saying Pakistan has to be carved into four different states. But, Balochistan stands completely alienated. It has history and legalese on it’s side. The Balochistan resistance headed by Brahmdaag Bugti have been given asylum in London. PLease go visit them when you have a chance.The problem with India right now is that they have no strong political leader.Even Indira Gandhi got negative feedback when she was on the way to dismember Pakistan.Indira Gandhi did not flinch even when NIxon ordered the Seventh Fleet to the Bay of Bengal.
    Here is part of the leaked Nixon tapes that clearly show even the president of the United States was in awe of Indira Gandhi’s will power. http://youtu.be/s1UBQgDDuWc

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ WHY PAKISTAN NEEDS TO BE DISMEMBERED ~~ :D :D

    Beyond reasonable talk with Pakistanis at this site and while travelling abroad, one is always surprised by the extent of brainswashing, duplicity and extremism Pakistan suffers from. There is denial of all this and there is double talk to protect its jehadi assets like Bin Laden, Hafeez Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Masood Azhar and a million others who are being produced in its jehadi factories.

    This problem can never be solved by talk and reason. The Pakistanis will just say that these guys don’t exist; a good Pakistani will not harm the world etc etc.

    The huge issue is that A COUNTRY WHICH WANTS TO DESTROY INDIA AND MAYBE MOST OF THE WORLD in its search for good Islamic rule is a MENACE to human civilization.

    It is much worse than Nazi Germany since it is Nuclear equipped; It is worse that the MOhammad Ghazini army since its population is two hundred times larger.

    The solution to Pakistan only lies in having an Indiependent Sindh and Baluchistan!!

    Comrade Bugti Zidabad…. Jiv Jive Sindh !! :D :D :D

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Dr Mishra, Pankaj and jai Vaidya

    Let me add a personal footnote. Being a grandson of a family of “refugees’ from Pakistani Punjab, I would often hear the elders of my family be dismayed at the terms of engagment some Indians choose when the interact with the Pakistani state.

    I K Gujral, Khushwant Singh and Kuldip Singh talked about Punjabiyat even when Punjabiyat had no relevance for Pakistanis who chose Islamiat over their Punjabi roots; Another section always conceded that Pakistanis were always “macho and aggressive,” so should be allowed a bit of extra leverage. Again a retrograde concept which only trivialised the unending murder of Hindus, Sikhs and Christains in Jinnah’s nightmare land.

    The fact is, in case the world is blunt, hard and truthful to Pakistanis then only is there possibilty of change. And that is doubtful…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I wholeheartedly agree with both your posts above.

    Pakistan has gone too far down the road to self destruction. There is no turning back for them.

    We, Indians, in fact would be doing a great service to some moderate Pakistanis if we render moral and material support to the movements in Sindh and Balochistan.

    Finish this ****** Terroristan.

    JAI HIND

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    Rajeev Reply:

    After the OSAMA raid, I thanked Jinnah because if he had not asked for pakistan, we would have faced the same shame that pakistan is facing today.

    I thank Jinnah million times for saving India from such disgrace.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Jinah,
    The saviour of India. He extracted the bigotry of statehood mixed with religion and enshrined it into a religious state, called Pakistan.
    That state , first kiiled/expelled all its minorities ( Hindu/Sikh population of West Pakistan was about 25% of W Pakistan population. Today it stands at 1% ). A complete and most abominable genocide in any part of the World . and then turned on itself to sink in the ideology of hate and deceit that Jinnah had spun.

    sanjiv Reply:

    and what is the idealogy spun by the book???

    how did islam spread across he world

    why was pakistan supprted by 95 % muslims

    and 97 % in pakistan today believe taht osama was not aterrorists

    why shuld indian muslims b e different

    they r from the same cradle.. a 1947 border does nt change that..

    have u heard of the koran u politically correct fool

    u need to get a real brain that can conclude based on facts

    like a court of law..without ur other motives and emotions

    most of the regular hindu posters r like u..

    take logic classes guys..and be factually correct
    not politically correct as bottom ranked arts majors r prone to do..

    lok at ur school marks before posting with bombastic opinions

    dare u to rebut point by point logically
    or find something else to do for timepass

    if after 100o yrs u rignorant of the book verses…

    u do not deserve to come here and make an *** of urself…
    at least have ssome shame rajiv etc

    and diversify to other comments on the internet..not visited
    by il endowed hindus as is the case hre..

  • Rajiv

    ———————————————————————————-
    Wikileaks : ISI/Pakistan and terrorism into India..
    ———————————————————————————-

    http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?721267

    The ISI facilitated militants to cross the border to carry out strikes on Indian targets chosen by the Pakistan Army, several detainees at the Guantanamo Bay facility told US interrogators, according to a fresh set of American diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks.

    The interrogation reports quoted a detainee as saying that ISI “allowed” militants to travel to India where they conducted bombings, kidnappings and killing of Kashmiri people and the targets were picked up by the Pakistani Army.

    The revelations add to Pakistan’s embarrassment after Osama bin Laden was found living at a million-dollar mansion in the garrison city of Abbottabad.

    The US was long aware of the presence of anti-India terror training camps in Pakistan with several inmates telling investigators how ISI allowed militants to carry attacks in India.

    The disclosures are part of 779 interrogation reports from the facility of detainees from all over the world and show how a number of detainees were linked to anti-India Lashkar-e-Taiba and had received terror training in Pakistan.

    The reports quote detainees from countries like Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Pakistan as telling interrogators about their recruitment and subsequent travelling to Pakistan for terror training before their actual deployment to launch attacks against India and also Afghanistan.

    An Algerian detainee Abdul Azia admitted he was a member of LeT for which he noted that “their mission (was) to kill Indians in India”, says a detailed report of his interrogation, released by the whistleblower website.

    “Detainee is assessed to have recruited in Saudi Arabia and received training from the LT in Pakistan. The detainees is further assessed to have participated in combat in Kashmir, and then travelled to Afghanistan where he was injured,” says a note about Azia.

    Records of a Pakistani prisoner named Mohammad Anwer showed that he travelled to Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir where he attended an LeT training camp for 21 days in 1998 and later served in Afghanistan.

    “Detainee has been identified through sensitive reporting as a Pakistani Inter Service Intelligence Directorate agent,” the document says.

    One of the reports quotes Chaman Gul, an Afghan militant as telling investigators about Mast Gul, a former Major of the Pakistani Army, who was “a notorious terrorist who fought in Kashmir and planned terror attacks against a number of targets in Kabul.

    Gul is closely aligned to Hizb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG), an al Qaeda linked group and ISI Directorate.

    The detainee claimed that Mast Gul controlled all guerrilla activity in Kashmir from his home base in Muzaffarabad.

    Chaman also said that militants were deployed for three to four months and then asked to return.

    He also said as member of Hizb-e-Islami Gulbuddin, he was part of a plan to assassinate Karzai and the US ambassador.

    While one detainee Yacoub claimed that he had got a security job with the Hamid Karzai government, another said he was an informant of British intelligence service.

    In another such assessment report, a senior al Qaeda operative was said to be planning to use Indians for terror attacks because of the low-level of scrutiny Indians are subjected to in the western nations.

    “Detainee admitted that he had considered using India as a platform to send operatives to the US or UK because of the large Muslim population there and the low level of scrutiny given to travellers of Indian nationality,” the document on Abu al-Libi says.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Vijay, nice lines- ….I K Gujral, Khushwant Singh and Kuldip Singh talked about Punjabiyat even when Punjabiyat had no relevance for Pakistanis who chose Islamiat over their Punjabi roots…..

    very well put. But this is an Indian habit- oversentimentalisation. When Shekhar Gupta interviews Zakir Naik, he obsequieously labels him ‘the rock star of Islam’.
    Completely forgotten are Naik’s support of death sentence for apostacy (chek youtube). And this is Shekher Gupta, the editor of a premier news magazine. Whither journalistic research?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,

    being away from India, you may not be aware of the nuances that have changed Indian journalists over the years. Ramanath Goenka or Girilal Jain or even Frank Moraes would have gone on hunger strike unto death if they were alive today. The kind of secularism editors like Shekhar Gupta, Vinod Sharma, Vinod Mehta etc are practising today is actually minority appeasement of the basest kind. They have joined hands with the kind of politicians we have now, like MMS, Digvinash Singh-Rahul Gandhi, Antulay, Sharad Pawar etc. I have deliberately omitted to mention the name of Sonia Gandhi, because she is not one amongst us, she has no mind of her own and she reads whatever is handed to her by her “advisors”. It is a wonder how India has not yet become the B team of Pakistan!

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Dr Mishra and Shenoy

    The press and media of India is now loaded with jaded old gas bombs who have taken politcial sides for personal gain :D

    They trivilaise the threat to the world which Pakistan poses, just because they want to be in the news. OF course these guys will never criticize terroristsw as they are scared of coming in a hit list !! :D :D

    When Shekhar Gupta calls Zakir Naik a rockstar of Islam, he is definatley insulting Islam. For Zakir Naik is a obnoxious soul who supports a double burqa for women, a triple talaq for men and the has no problems if “good” Muslim men keep four or five wives as household goats. Naik has no problems in converting people of other religions, but if a Muslim were to leave Islam the punishment in Naiks view should be death!

    Wah Wah Shekhar Wah wah !! :D

    Similarly Khushwant Singh, just three weeks before 26/11 wrote a tearful article on the tenth death
    anniversary of evil Cobra Gen Zia. Why? Because the evil general had bribed Khuswant Singh with six bottles of scotch in “prohibitioned’ Pakistan in 1982, when Singh had gone on a pesonal visit.

    You can type out Khushwant Singh, Gen Zia, Tribune to get this link.

    So all the vile acts of the evil Field Marshal ZIa– the entire terror camps, the Pakistan sposored terror in Punjab, the murder of democracy in Pakistan, everything– had been forgotton by this former editor of HT, just because he had got those six scotch bottles !! :D :D

    Wah !! WAH !! WAH !! :D :D

    This is the level of the so called Pakistni loving pressmen of India !!

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Pankaj/Dr. Mishra,

    you said, “My fellow Pakistani physicians, otherwise not bad people, will surprise me with their bigoted views on religion and subcontinental history. It is no joke, that son of a fellow doctor, a bright , shy young person, had this to say about Subcontinental history, that civilization came to this part of world with Mohammad bin Kasim.”

    I too have read somewhere that before Islam came to this world, all human beings were walking on four legs. Somewhere in the secons century of the advent of Islam, men began to stand erect on their two hind legs. (Women in most Islamic societies even today walk on four legs).

    I also have read that in the third century after Mohammed, men began to lose their tail, to balance which they are asked to grow their beards. Further, in this “history”, among all human souls, only Muslims can go to heaven. For the rest of mankind, there is the unkind kind of hell.

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    rajiv Reply:

    Well, Pakistan should correct its history because the way Pakistanis behave it certainly arguable that barbarism and every vile came to Pkaistan with Islam.

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Since Baba Ramdev is sitting on darna frm 4th june. So mamu is very busy digging out details and his pedigree Prabhat is helping him out,. That may be the reason both r missing !

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  • Khalil Sawant

    Anna or no Anna, Bandra-East Cabbies do not ply anyone short-distance.
    Nirmala SeethRaman does a better job than Manish Tiwari

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  • http://twitter.com/am_i_akshay Akshay Shetty

    a very well written piece. i am amazed at ur bravery to pen such contentious articles. but i along with many other readers have placed my trust on u. please don’t disappoint us

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Anna did a great job – that of crystallizing public anger into a movement against corruption. The later political part played by Team Anna is of course unacceptable in a democratic and parliamentary set-up. Therefore, he was defeated politically and should now retire to his village – however, Indians do owe a great thanx to Anna.

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  • Anonymous

    ” VERY WELL RESEARCHED & DARING PIECE, I SALUTE YOUR VALOR & INTELLIGENCE IN BRINGING OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT ANNA !”

    Now you may not mind sharing the booty you earned for writing this piece.

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  • ashok

    To use a phrase much favoured by food writers, Sujatji’s sources are to die for.

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  • abhiji

    “From what I understood, the RSS and the BJP were the ones who had decided to put Anna in his place:”
    Great job. Shooting two birds with one stone.
    I am surprised why the congress is so pleased that the movement against corruption seems to be fading, and the lokpal bill is stalled again! In my mind;

    This government cannot, simply cannot, pass a strong lokpal bill and lose control of CBI. If that happens, all the skeletons will fall out of the closet. Starting with the Great Bhopal Gas Tragedy, where 30000(?) Indian lives were traded for a few pennies in Swiss and other foreign banks, to Bofors and Quattrochi, to a scam a day today, when Billions of Dollars of Indian Tax Payer’s money is being deposited in Swiss and other foreign banks by sick(?) worthies going on foreign travel tours covered by official secrets act and coming back healthy when their job is done, all these skeletons will fall out of the closet. Where will the Queen hide then? It is the duty of all her minions to protect the Queen. No, this government cannot, simply cannot, pass a strong lokpal bill and lose complete control of CBI in the process.

    Long live Anna!

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  • Anonymous

    We heard similar analysis from HT journos during Bihar elections. Let the people decide.
    I am getting doubly convinced that HT is Congress mouthpiece.

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  • Anonymous

    I think we should pitch Rober-t Vadra for CM thru the HT.

    At least the HT staffers luv for the dynasty would be satisfied.

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  • Anonymous

    Why were surveys so wrong in Bihar?

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  • Anonymous

    Sunita,
    The thing is Rahul has never proved himself. Working hard in campaigning is no substitution for real work. What has been his contribution as MP? ZERO…
    I find Sachin Pilot much better but why HT doesn’t project him as potential PM.
    Unfortunately educated journos are becoming mouthpieces of dynasties (Nehru-Gandhi, Pawars, Thackreys included). Let there be fair level playing field rather than allowing parachute entry.

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  • Anonymous

    Biju,
    You may be favoring Rahul for communal reasons..I have never met a christian opposed to Sonia-Rahul.

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  • Kumars1

    All kinds of forecasts are being made. In 2007 Mayawati had been written off but did very well. The NDA was supposed to win in 2004. One fact doesn’t change however. HT and its columnists always pitch for the ‘baba’ and his family. This family has been in power for decades and decades, the country is still dirt poor.

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  • Anonymous

    What work are you talking about? Campaigning and nautanki is not work.

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  • Moro

    I hope there is a Plague in that city of amethi for supporting Mrs Maino and Mrs Roberts.

    Let them burn in helI

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  • Nair

    Ehat isn that they have done to Amethi and Rae bareily?. Don’t just priase then you immoral christain women

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  • Kushal

    Exactly, Krushna! Somehow, that makes me feel happier.

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  • Tanu Mittal

    Truly said!! Hats off to Dara Singh.He symbolised the epitome of bravery as well as a good human being.An interview given by Dara Singh to Hindustan Times way back in 2009 capture the beautiful memories of this legend.It was written about him that ”if a person coming to Mumbai does not have any place to live and food to eat ” he could definitely hope for Dara Singh’s house.Not only was he famous for his bravery but a true gentleman as well.He truly said that sports person are not given the much needed attention in terms of Money as well as facilities here in India when asked about his transition from being a sports person to entering the Filmi World!! People like him would always be remembered in the history of India.Apart from this think of the person’s who are not lucky as Dara Singh to be recognised at that level.Sports person should be given the required encouragement in every way as possible which is lacking here in India after all they are representing our country given their so much of hard work.
    Government should definitely considerate the conditions of sports person so that our coming generations could see many more Dara Singh’s.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Boom in Bombay journalism was also helped by a boom in the journalism of other cities too. Sunday of calcutta editied by MJ Akbar brought a big change in investigative journalism by his incisive reporting on the Bhagalpur riots and other stories. The boom in magazines on a national scale also helped vernalucar dailies who cashed in on it by sprucing up their Sunday editions. Siasat Urdu daily of Hyderabad introduced its Sunday magazine section in the 70s and then coloured it fully later on, which helped it become the largest selling Urdu newspaper in the country. N Ram of the Hindu presented readership in chennai and to India an international scene through Frontline. And then Sportsworld edited by MAK Pataudi and later on Sportstar gave sports (read cricket) enthusiasts that much more Masala on Cricket as well as other sports. Then who can forget Jug Suraya, Bachi Karkaria, Vinod Sharma, Khalid Mohammed, Saeed Naqvi, Swapan Dasgupta, Mujtaba Husain and many more star writers who have contributed greatly in popularising their magazines / newspapers? All of them have done their bit to boost the sales of their publications.

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  • Guest

    Is the market for expensive magazines large enough for them to make serious money ?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kanikadhupar Kanika Dhupar

    Yes, I have these conversations too. Though I feel miserable when I come up with a wisecrack, which refuses to occur to me at the right time.

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    Kushal Reply:

    I KNOW Kanika. So frustrating.

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  • Kushal

    S’okay Abhiroop, I never remember what I wear anywhere either.

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  • venkatraman ganapathi

    Its time we accepted that Babri was just a building and not a Mosque as these ****** Muslims claim. As a matter of fact it was a a Ram Mandir. I am not a Hinduvta advocate but we must stop appeasing this territorial religion. The Congress Party has done well so far-by keeping the Muslims in India and illiterate and used their beliefs to secure votes. This has stopped working. Like Pakisthan which has defranchised Hindu votes we must also defranchise the Muslims and give them reservation of 25 seats.This is the only solution for rabbits

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    indian Reply:

    Babri masjid was mosque destructed by hindu terrorists get that staraight,even after exavation its proved..this is old used technique keep idol or stone wherever u want to build temple..automatically people will put some orange powder some cloths and u have the illegal temple ready..BJP targets the majority votebank yet they are not able to win elections ..this shows the incompetency of BJP and hindu terrorists supporting and vot ing it..india is a secular and will be secular

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    swami Reply:

    The old technique is to bury a dead body in a Hindu temple and slaughter cows in the place so the Hindus give up the place as having become impure.
    Also according to the court records it is babri building and not babri masjid.

    Hindus are not secular. They were always deeply spiritual and will always remain so because as swami vivekananda said religion is the business of Hindus.
    Hindus are not tolerant. They believe all religions are true and a person has the freedom to practice the religion he has been put into by God. It is the muslim and christian who are tolerant. They believe only their religion is true and all other religions are satanic and should be destroyed. They behave in a tolerant manner when they do not have the strength to impose their beliefs on you and wait for the time when they would become stronger than you and then impose their religion mercilessly on you.

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  • aman

    Why can t we have an agreement that Hindus offer their pooja on mon/tues and muslims on friday/other day. If we people can co-exist, I am sure god can as well and as some say, GOD is one so let them both be at ONE place.

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    BABAR WAS A INVADER ON INDIAN SOIL.THE MOSQUE WAS BUILT BY DEMOLISHING PART OF THE TEMPLE.
    I APPRECIATE HINDUSTAN TIMES BY CONTINUOUSLY REVIVING THESE TOPICS TO SUIT THEIR POLITICAL MASTERS -CONGRESS.
    BUT TO EXPEXT A WAYOUT ON THESE ISSUES UNDER CONGRESS LED GOVT IS IMPOSSIBLE.THEY ARE THE PEOPLE USED TO GET EDUCATION MONEY AS ENRON CHIEF USED TO SAY OR OIL MONEY WHICH LED TO OUSTER OF FOREIGN MINISTER OF CONGRESS MR.SINGH ETC.
    ONLY A STATEMAN WHO CAN THINK BEYOND THIS BLOG WRITER WILL HELP.HINDUSTAN TIMES SHOULD COME WITH SPECIAL ISSUES ON TEMPLES DESTROYED BY MUSLIMS INVADERS AND MOSQUE DESTROYED BY HINDUS AS A SPECIAL ISSUE WITH PERMISSION FROM THEIR MASTERS.

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    rao Reply:

    BABAR WAS A INVADER ON INDIAN SOIL.THE MOSQUE WAS BUILT BY DEMOLISHING PART OF THE TEMPLE

    bullshit and wrong.brhmns too were invaders.there is proof that any temple was demolished.

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  • Pradhyumna Yadav

    There is no doubt that Congress governments in many states collude with the RSS. Case in point, Andhra Pradesh, where Chief Minister and some of his cabinet colleagues are RSS followers. They have expanded the bhagmati temple at Charminar the temple never existed at the site before 1974. Muslims should create their own parties without relying on the Congress.

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  • Hindustani

    Muslims are curse to Humanity. No religion in the world behaves the way Muslims behave. They are fanatics.

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    sai Reply:

    give some example.

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    momn doter Reply:

    example huh! – Islam came to India. Forced Indians to take Islam. Instead of living peacefully like other religions, asked Islam followers to fight for new states – result – Pakistan and Bangladesh cut off. Our own people under influence of a fanatic religion are in much worse state then they were here.
    Today India is reduced to 3/4 of its original, and Islam is now fighting for Kashmir independence and curses hinduism for plight of minorities, when only Islam has problem with acceptance, while other religions living peacefully with us and us with them.

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  • kumar

    Dhaka | Dec 9 2012 | HE BD Bureau :: A Hindu young man was beaten to death by a Islamic mob near the district courts in the Old Dhaka amid nationwide Bandh (blockade) today clashes that halted the Dhaka-Aricha Highway. The Bandh was called by the opposition group of Bangladesh, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (Nationality means here the Islamic Nationality of BD) and the Jammat-e-Islami Party of Bangladesh. It has been alleged that members of the students union of both parties ‘Jatiyatabadi Chatra (Students) League’ and ‘Islami Chhatra Shibir’ were behind the brutal killing of this Hindu Youth named Biswajit Kumar Das (24 yrs) with lethal weapons like Iron rods and sharpened chopper.

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    Truhseeker Reply:

    ঢাকার লক্ষ্মীবাজারে ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডারদের ছুরিকাঘাতে বিশ্বজিৎ দাস নিহত হয়েছেন।

    ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা ধাওয়া করলে বিশ্বজিৎ স্থানীয় একটি কিনিকে
    গিয়ে আশ্রয় নেন। সেখানে ঢুকে
    ছাত্রলীগ ক্যাডাররা তাকে কুপিয়ে টেনেহিঁচড়ে দোতলা থেকে রাস্তায় নামিয়ে আনে।

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  • kumar

    No Muslim was killed during destruction of mosque but Indian Muslims have engaged in numerous terror attacks and killed many civilians in revenge. Contrast that with reports coming out of Muslim world where Hindu temples, Buddhist statutues, Christians praying inside churches are destroyed and killed but still no Hindu or Christian terrorists in Pakistan who massacre civilians in bomb blasts in buses or markets- only Muslim terrorists in Pakistan. How do you explain that?

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    indian Reply:

    kumar goons of rss and vhp burnt alive 16 poor innocent muslims on 6th december.ayodhya is not hindu place.historically it was budhhdist place later occupied by shaivites after budhdhist were annihilated and chased out of plane areas.their temples were converted into hindu temples.for short period place was occupied by jainese.its life is 2200 years.while rama was born in treta yug 4000 years ago.so it wrong bullshit and diabolic to say that rama was born here.rama cult was introduced in 16th century by ramanand misra and later by tulsidaas.
    rss vhp used rama to divide backwards of hindi speaking belt.zoinist has future plan to ignite war between shaivaites and vaishnavites(rama was made 8th avtar of vishnu.)
    the whole gme was based on fraud and lies.took india 10 years back.brhmnst and zoinists use their idol to make money and bully others.
    ram lila was started bynawab wajid ali shah of lucknow.
    it is during muslim period that ayodhya became vibrant municipality from sleeping village.

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    momn doter Reply:

    I don’t know who tells you these things – ram lila started by nawab wajid ali shah and all. Let me put this delicately – Ayodhya, gokul, mathura, katra, chaar dhaam, hrisikesh aur haridwar hamara hai.

    Now talking some sense – These places are of faith importance to us hindus but we couldn’t do anything when under islamic rule. Babri was made after demolishing Indian temple.
    Islam ruled entire country. Couldn’t they find other place to build mosques.

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    engrich Reply:

    hindu places of worship flourished under muslim rule.ayodya is not mentioned anywhere in hindu scripture.it was budhhdist place captured by brhmns,buhdhdist temples were forcibly converted into hindu temples.

    ram lila was started by nawab wajid ali shah.under muslim rule ayodhya became vibrant city from sleeping village.

    hindu built nothing.they captured budhdist holy places.now they are fabricating the bullshit to capture muslim holy places.

  • balaji

    previously…. with the help of wapons muslims who were less than 1 percent in population converted all temples into mosques and so babri was one of it…..

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  • Raghavendra

    Mr Zia haq show me one election when MUSLIMS have voted with out keeping BJP in mind? people of your community have become pawns in the game played by parties like CONGRESS, LEFT, SP .

    you feel MUSLIMS really vote for issues as development and education i feel all they care about is keeping COMMUNAL BJP out at all cost.

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  • Faulitics

    “According to Zoya Hasan of Delhi’s Jawaharlal Nehru University, when Muslims see an emerging threat from Hindu nationalists threatening their identity,”

    Why would indian Muslims of Indian ethnic stock tie their identity to a dilapidated building built by a self confessed genocidal fanatic like Babur who came from Uzbekistan and occupied the land of their Indian ancestors ? If this is true, what sort of idiotic ideology promotes this kind of cult like mindset?

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  • momn doter

    Let me tell you why I hate Islam. Fact – “Muslim majority countries
    don’t develop (unless there is oil) and don’t respect minorities”. So
    I am in favor of Islam free India – A country where every religion but
    Islam is welcome. I’m not against holy Qur’an or current Muslims. I
    would like new borns to be converted to any other religion, in case you
    are not a fan of Hinduism.

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  • ENGRICH

    Two
    decades is almost a third of the journey that independent India has
    covered since 1947. It’s been a long journey, chequered with events that
    challenged, threatened and sometimes even sustained – in their own
    convoluted way – the idea of the Indian state. The epoch begins with
    what happened in small-town Ayodhya on Dec 6, 1992 when a medieval
    mosque, labelled as a monument of Mughal pride and persecution, was
    pulled down by a frenzied mob of right-wing Hindu ‘activists’. One need
    not go into the well-documented details of what happened that day.

    The
    only aspect I want you to consider here for the sake of the argument I
    will be making later is that the demolition of Babri Masjid, organised
    by the BJP government in UP and tacitly supported by the Congress
    government at the Centre, was still considered an assault on the Indian
    state. It was constitutionally a ‘crime’ and therefore liable to
    prosecution, which of course did happen. That nobody has been punished
    yet for the demolition and its protagonists today grace the Parliament
    and dream of
    becoming the Prime Minister of the country is a different story.

    Two
    decades later, there is a lot of talk about the nation moving on.
    Presumably towards less hatred and more ‘development’, thanks to another
    epochal event that happened a year before Ayodhya 1992 – the opening of
    the Indian market. But has the state really moved on? If so, then has
    the state moved forward on a trajectory of democracy, justice and
    equality, or has it actually regressed into a delusional and scarier
    behemoth? Let’s consider another example on the ‘decadent’ (couldn’t
    resist the pun)
    timeline as the title of this piece suggests.

    Let’s
    move a decade forward to an event that is again simply called Gujarat
    2002, undeniably the most unfortunate event since Ayodhya 1992. How do
    we look at Gujarat 2002 vis-a-vis the Indian state? Well, we can’t,
    because Gujarat 2002 was all about the state. It was a state-sponsored
    and organised pogrom against its minorities, the main protagonist of
    which has grown more powerful since the violence and represents the
    collective dream of Hindu middle-class as well as its corporates of
    becoming India’s next Prime
    Minister.

    So
    what changed? For the sake of argument, we can say with some comfort
    that the Babri protagonists were largely punished by India’s syncretism.
    Of course, the BJP gained from Ayodhya 1992, forming a short-lived
    government in 1996 and then coming back to power in 1998. Yet, the
    protagonists of the demolition – Kalyan Singh, Vinay Katiyar, Uma
    Bharti, Murli Manohar Joshi and even L K Advani – could never come out
    of its shadow. In contast, Narendra Modi’s only claim to fame, if you
    will, is Gujarat 2002. Modi without the pogrom has no resume to flaunt
    or
    claim his legitimacy as the tallest leader in the same BJP.

    Allow
    me to elaborate. What changed in a decade since 1992 – in the same BJP -
    was that while Advani, the supreme architect of Hindutva in India,
    could not become an accepted prime ministerial candidate because of
    Ayodhya 1992 and the violence that followed, Modi, on the other hand,
    has not only been largely excused from any serious prosecution by the
    law of the land for his role in Gujarat 2002, he is even the BJP’s only
    consensus candidate for the prime minister’s post.

    In
    other words, while we may bask in the growing secularisation of the
    state – marked by a larger rule of law as well as open-market capitalism
    – the fact remains that the Indian state continues to be schizophrenic
    about its self-image. If Ayodhya 1992 was about a bunch of non-state
    loonies pulling down a mosque, Gujarat 2002 was marked by the same state
    being an active participant in a pogrom against its largest minority.
    While Ayodhya 1992 sought to correct a perceived historical wrong by
    erasing its material testimony, Gujarat 2002 did not even care to show
    any pretension other than a crude and
    violent majoritarianism.

    Mumbai
    2012, to move on and conclude, further complicates the pattern of the
    Indian state’s failure to define itself in a more rational, democratic
    and more importantly, secular manner. By choosing to honour a rabid
    hate-monger who mocked at all the ideals a liberal nation is supposed to
    stand for, the state displayed its pathological schizophrenia like
    never before. The state funeral of Bal Thackeray, in other words,
    expunged him of his role in the killing of hundreds of Muslims in Mumbai
    post-Ayodhya 1992, which is just one among his and his
    party’s many assaults on the state. Moreover, as the year 2012 closes,
    the killer of Gujarat 2002 is set to return as the Chief Minister of the
    state for a record fourth term.

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  • x

    well said islam is religion of hate and violence look what they are doing across the world they are not the victim but the hunters killers etc..no where in koran is the word love mentioned !

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    rao Reply:

    well said islam is religion of hate and violence look what they are doing across the world

    BULLSHIT MUSLIMS ARE VICTIM OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM AND BRHMNST OF INDIA.

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  • Indian

    Also my advice to author also meet people whose relatives(even woman) got killed in Train Burning Incident this one sided reporting suggest that you writer are also of same kind who thinks only Muslim suffering is suffering Other religion suffering is irrelevant.

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    agnivesh Reply:

    compartment was burnt by goons of rss and vhp to provide reason for ahmedabad riot.brhmns and banias hate lower caste hindus more than muslims.they killed shoodra hindus to give reason.killing muslims was yearly affair.hindus of surat paid cash to hinu gundaas

    to keep surat calm.

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    momn doter Reply:

    why the **** do you want to use a hindu name motherfucker, atleast have the courtesy of writing a muslim name.

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  • Anonymous

    The greatness of muslims can be found in the ruins of temples all over North India and the intolerance in every country where they are in a majority.No one cares about your lies.Muslims shd not have burnt the train if they did not want the backlash.

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    engrich Reply:

    bullshit most of big temples were built during moghul period.ashoka built 60000 temples in orrisa later demolished by his great grand son on the advise of his brhmn pm.in hinduism temple is bussines.it is they who capture occupy and demolish others places of worship.

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    Azad Murtad Reply:

    This comments from the followers of a religion who worship the pagan god in Mecca – - the black stone

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    Dr.raj Reply:

    yeah this statement from a supporter of a religion whose main place of worship is one which is built by breaking another religions place of worship And so shameless is the prophet who boasts the same on the book that you think is an answer for all questions.

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  • Someone

    You read that line “Modi koo jaana hoga” in article they have not forgotten what happened though HIndus whose relatives got killed in Train Burning have forgiven and started their life but this people(Muslims) dont forgive and dont have any tolerance they will live in past and thats why Most of Muslim Country are backward only ones somewhat rich are the ones who has lots of oil otherwise they are stone age people.

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  • yuceem

    Death is always a traggic matter, no matter who the person is and the mode of death, riots, accidents, natural disasters or plain criminal acts. The author and the likes of him want to highlight as if the riots were one sided and unprovoked . An incident like train burning in any other country would have resulted in wars- what was the reaction of USA, after the 9/11 incident, it went to war and castigated practically an entire religion all over the world as terrorist suspects. Why does not the author and his fellow secularists write about common people in Afghanistan , Iraq etc too? Why donot they write about Assam ? There have been riots in other places at different times,(all are a blot on humanity) why this special focus on Gujrat ? Because in most other riots, the scores were more or less even or the ’secularists’ had upper hand, but in Gujrat the ’secularists’ were outdone. Hence their grouse .

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    When you live in a civilized world you leave retribution to the State. When you take matters into your own hand and hunt for revenge your actions do not deserve commendation.

    In the case of most post Godhra rioters at an individual level, their violence was indeed unprovoked because neither they themselves, nor their families were the victims of violence.

    Further, if you compare the Gujarat rioting to the post 9/11 Afghanistan war then you imply that the events in Gujarat were a civil war.

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    sheo Reply:

    When Muslims suffer they talk of civilized world. But what they do now and have been doing since ages is forgotten. Wait till the entire world will throw your kind of guys out from their countries. Behind every terrorism there is a muslim hand. You have provoked the entire religions. The Hindu families who suffered in Gujrat were not the direct enemies of the muslim goondas but suffered just because they were Hindu Pilgrims. So they provoked the Hindus Community itself and so the defensive retribution and message. Civilized countries regret having let you in. They simply don’t like you at all.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Your kind of guys? What kind of guys are these?

    You must live in world of very small ideas if you instantly presume that anyone opposed to your views fits into a convenient stereotype that you can knock down with a strawman argument.

    By the way, you think like a tribalist. Very similar to the muslim ideology you oppose.

    Faulitics Reply:

    I agree with your well made and articulate point. Collective punishment is a terrible crime and that’s what happened in gujrat but its not the first time this has happened and its victims have not always been Muslims. By the way, comparison with a concentration camp shows that Zia is all about propaganda and I have never ever seen a single article from him about Hindus being targeted in various places and specifically Kashmir by Islamic fanatics and are little more than traitors to this country.

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  • Debasish

    What happened in Gujarat in 2002 post Godhra is deplorable and every right thinking Indian would condemn it. But what is also deplorable and condemnable is what happened in GODHRA as well as in Delhi/UP and other places in 1984 and numerous other riots in different parts of India under different regime.

    Has the writer ever bother to find out about the ghosts roaming in Godhra or in Delhi where he lives. His only focus seems to be Gujarat and Gujarat alone and that too only post Godhra and that too only muslims. (Some Hindus were also killed post Godhra though a smaller number).
    That decisively proves that you are a Musilm first and an Indian later (despite all your claims to the contrary). And hence, you have zero credibility for educated nationalist Indians who want all communities to prosper and empathize with all communities.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kashi2222 Kashi Kashi

    absurd article, Muslim mind set never changes, they think they can get away by doing anything under the guise of minority victim hood, every riot should be ascertained by thorough inquiry the initiators should be punished more stringently, this fellow should have done same with respect to kashmiri pandits, and fellow who think that modi has been cause of Hindu Muslim riots should explain what was the cause when hundreds of riots happened without modi, these fellows never learn lessons from history, ambedkar opined that Islamic brother hood is not universal brother hood it confines to Islam only,

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  • http://www.facebook.com/balkrishna.panday.33 Balkrishna Panday

    I was a 15 year old when we had to leave a well settled life in Lahore. The author must know what happened to Hindus in the Muslim dominated towns of Rawalpindi and Peshawar. Today one should keep aside the riots and appreciate that Rehman Malik prayed at the Dargah of Nizamuddin for Peace between India and Pakistan. All should follow that Sai Baba of Shirdi said SAB KA MAALIK EK. Visit www. esainoida.org and see how a Sai Baba Temple serves the humanity at large. Khuda Hafiz and Jai Sai Ram.

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  • devil_wheels

    Then it is remarkably easy for other people to lead you around by the nose.

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  • Nitin

    This dude always cries in his articles about Muslims being raped in this country, and talks shit about non-Muslims. I wish he could be charged for spreading communal hatred, but with the blessings of his masters (Sonia, Mulayam, Lalu..) it will never happen.
    @Zia: You seem to be an educated moron, so I also can not expect you to preach your community to stop doing the wrong. All the best with your writings.

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  • Vipul

    I can tell hundreds of disgusting inhuman stories from Mopala’s in 1920s to partition riots..Razakar’s barbarik act in Hyderabad in 1948 to till today in UP and several other parts..where thousands of Hindus are butchered.

    Forget about Muslim killing Hindus…450000 women were raped in Bangladesh in an official estimate by fellow religion soldiers..which is still continue as shia genocide in Pakistan and several other countries..

    But my dear friend Rioter has no religion what ever he claims he is. But there is no point of scratching the same wound even after 11 years in the name of journalism. Move forward. there is whole tons of issue in front of Muslims in this country. Dont vote for BJP but at least get a good bargain from your secular parties beyond just vote bank and protection from BJP.

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  • CalifGuy20

    If Modi is opium for Gujarat’s masses — then we need such opium for all of India’s masses. That will shut up authors like this forever. They should be put on the next flight to Pakistan.

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  • CalifGuy20

    Another typical “communal” muslim writer — perfect “secular” man for Congress.

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  • Saukat ali

    We all believe that bunch of people like you are opium of sick-ular! As you people came of with your definition of secularism than We all know congress and their slaves are best communal force in India to ruin our unity and since 65 years they are being anti-national, We are sick off tired of such people. God please act fast…..we all curse you for being fake and biased.

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  • Saukat ali

    Why writer like this never came up to condemn terrorism done by muslims? why such people keep mum when kashmiri pandits being forced to move? why they keep quiet when mumbia attack happen? Such a hypocrite!!!!!! Look arround you moron…see what religion of peace is doing….the name has no meaning to it!

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    There are plenty of writers who do condemn terror done by muslims too. Islam may not be the religion of peace it claims to be but that does not make every individual muslim guilty of terrorism. Nor does every non Muslim gain the right to seek vengeance.

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Agree that all Muslims are not terrorist but definitely almost all terrorist are Muslims….Open your eyes and see the beautiful world of Muslims. A religion founded by a pedophile, mass murderer and rapist can only perpetuate on these foundations.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Open your eyes and try to actually read and understand my post before you fire off a reply.

    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    That wasn’t personal at you. I was talking about the people Who always say Muslims are not terrorist. Apologies if I sounded otherwise.

    devil_wheels Reply:

    I apologize for misunderstanding.

  • Saukat ali

    I left Islam long ago because of its not religion of peace…Very intolerant, violent and force on us by invaders. I feel now I am close to the god since i left islam.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Try leaving all religion behind. It is empowering when you learn to rely only on your own mind.

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  • sam

    Man this article writer some sort of a MANIAC it seems, may you die in hell, shameless creature, if you are so concerned, please leave HINDUSTAN and go to PAKISTAN and make a living. Senseless article.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Senseless post.

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  • LATEEF

    GOING BY THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD IT BECOMES CLEAR AS DAY THAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE PUNISHMENT COMMENSURATE WITH THE SINS (ATROCITIES ) THEY COMMITTED ALL OVER THE GLOBE. AS PER THE LAWS OF NATURE THEY WILL SURELY BE CALLED UPON TO ACCOUNT FOR THEIR DOINGS, ONE DAY.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohammad: The opium for muslim masses

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    TAJENDER Reply:

    bullshit

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  • THIRD EYE

    A FOO# IS A FOO# FOR EVER, NO AMOUNT OF SYMPATHY FROM ANY QUARTER CAN HELP HIM TIDE OVER HIS PLIGHT .INDOOS HAVE A SPECIAL APTITUDE FOR THAT. NO END WILL EVER COME TO THEIR SUFFERING.

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  • Anil Kumar

    Godhra, India’s Auschwitz ?? Seriously ?? I thought 1984 riots could be compared with it in wildest of imaginations for its targeted killings. This only shows the extent of the hatred towards a person. The article and the writer can never be unbiased after tht. This is my 1000th or more article on Gujarat and Modi. Generally, the articles spew venom on Modi, and the comments(90% of them) curse the writer. There is something inherently wrong then. The more Media targets him, the more followers he gains. Mayb its time for media to learn from Congress in Gujarat and the policy they followed in 2012 election. Targeted maligning of one person is not correct. There are crooks and rogues going scott free in India. Mayb its time for the media to distribute their energies. And this victimhood of mulims is not helping the national integration cause either.

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  • Someone

    Tytler is in CWC till I heard and also was recently involved in Orrisa police harassment case.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    CWC is not as important as an elected CM but you’re right. Political parties have to learn to keep these people away.

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  • Chetan

    Its only Muslims, who are poor, ignored and had in-justice, Hindus, Parsis and other religion are very rich and dont have any problem at all in India, Have you ever went to the homes who are burnt alive in the train?

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  • Sheo

    When India was divided in two countries Pakistan was made a Muslim Homeland.

    Why didn’t all muslims go there ? Their share wad given. Such a big event happened. The nation was divided into two and they still decided to remain in Hindu Land. It is wrong by all means.

    My question is when Muslim got their land and made it an Islamic Nation then where should the Hindus go and say Hindu Homeland. In our own land our pilgrims were burnt and roasted alive and muslims laughed. They did not even sympathize with the aggrieved families instead they burned crackers to mock the Hindus, What should they expect then ? Are Hindus cowards that every one ridicules us. The Hindu Tolerance is taken as being meek. The Muslim refugees who stayed back and didn’t go to Pakistan and now ridicule us. What What What is expected of the Hindu then ? Why do they have separate laws for them ? Why they didn’t integrate with the nation. They always support Pakistan and Islam. The nation should come before religion.

    This congress is run by a Muslim ( Pseudo Gandhi) who shall only loot the nation and favor Muslims openly not to sympathize with them but only to get votes.

    Throw out the congress and all will be well.

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    RAMAVTAR Reply:

    POPULATION TRANSFER WAS NOT PART OF DIVISION.

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  • Sheo

    It was a Hindu Army which saved the Muslims Benaglis in Bangaldesh where more than 3,00,000 girls were merciless raped and butchered by MUSLIM PAKIS. Intelligentsia was skinned alive and butchered.
    This is what is taught in Islam ? and these Bangladeshis muslims forgot this.
    The very reason why people love Modi and made him a hero is becuae you guys hate him

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    rao Reply:

    than 3,00,000 girls were merciless raped
    figure is hyped by 1000 times.delhi is rape capital ofworld.

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  • engrich

    godhra train burning was carried out by goons of rss and vhp,to provide reason for ahmedabad riot.which was preplanned.

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  • engrich

    Godhra has a history of violence by Muslims which is known to Gujarat as such so dont just keep train burning as someone else

    GODHRA HAS NO HISTORY OF MUSLIM VOILENECE .FIRE WAS STARTED BY MODI AGENTS.NO ONE ELSE.

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    Indian Reply:

    In 1980, five members of a Sindhi family, which had migrated from Pakistan during the partition, were burnt alive at Muslim-dominated Signalfalia in Godhra.

    Their’s was the lone Hindu family in the area and oldtimers say muslims wanted them to vacate their house and leave.

    In 1990, four Hindu teachers of Saifia Madarsa in Vorwad area of Godhra town were killed by Muslims,

    These are few incidents which HT only published recently in article so dont lie and spread false info on Internet

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    skb Reply:

    for all above there is law.culprit should be punished.incidence are few.happens in every municiality.AS PER FIR PUMPS TO EXTINGUISH FIRE WAS BROUGHT BY MUSLIMS.there is no proof that muslims ignited the bogey.

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    Someone Reply:

    Convict have been given punishment in the train bogey case which consisted names of Muslims for your info so there is no question or argument on that.

  • TAJENDER

    BRHMNSTS WERE KILLING AND MURDERING MUSLIMS AND OTHER SINCE 1969.GODHRA WAS PERPETUATED BY AGENTS OF KILLER MODI.

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  • Anonymous

    Indias Auschwitz is not Gujarat..but Kashmir valley where lakhs of Hindus were driven out of their houses at gun point or were killed… Their houses were occupied by their own neighbours .. They are still living in refugee camps in Delhi.. Ask any Kashmiri Pandit and he would tell you the story how they all escaped taking whatever they could pack and leaving everything behind… but these writers would never talk about their Plight…
    I think being a hindu victim doesnt attract the sympathies of English speaking leftist products of JNU…
    What about those 270 Hindus who died in the Gujarat riots? Yes they were riots where both parties killed each other..
    Auszwitch was Kashmir or even 1984 Sikh killings where the Kangress workers openly massacred thousands of Sikhs all over India….these JNU products very casually forget that it was the RSS and the BJP workers who
    patrolled the Delhi streets to protect the Sikhs(as remarked by Khushwant singh)

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    THE BLOG IS AS EXPECTED FROM A CONGRESS MAN.THESE THINGS ARE NOTHING NEW.CONGRESS HAS A HABIT OF IGNORING NON MUSLIM KILLINGS.THAT WAS THE REASON MOHAN DAS JI AND NEHRU ALONG WITH INDIRA WENT TO BENGAL RATHER THAN PUNJAB.

    THROWING OUT OF HINDUS OUT OF KASHMIR IS OK WITH CONGRESS.I AM HAPPY AUTHOR CALLS GUJRAT A AUSHWIZ ,THE MOST NOTORIOUS CONCENTRATION CAMP OF2ND WORLD WAR.RECENTLY A MUSLIM ILY GIRLS WERE ARRESTED IN MUMBAI FOR A TWEET IN CONGRESS RUN STATE.HER UNCLES CLINIC WAS RANSACKED.OUT OF FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE ,THEY FLED TO GUJRAT

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    The essence of this blog is – **** in **** out. On the same note you have justified every paisa of congress showered on you till date by writing this. Intellectuals like you in Muslim community are more responsible for its downfall than any other factor. Queen Maino is definitely proud of slaves like you.

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  • Gujarati

    Although I am hindu, am not a fan of Mr. Modi’s politics. I have seen muslim brutality in Ahmedabad during 1992 riots. I was working in Muslim area of Mirzapur, fresh from university. 6th December 1992, I was stuck up in Mirzapur chowk and so does thousands of hindus working in that area. Then suddenly firing started from nearby mosque and person on bike beside me got blood in his hand and even before he realize, he fainted. On that day rushing to get out of Mirzapur, I and my fellow coworker, saw few more burning bodies of Hindus. In the evening in Maninagar area, we saw Muslims firing on the people living in Uganda Park. Police officers there on duty were bagging for unregistered firearms because JD+Congress government did not provide order to fire at Muslim mobs attacking this hindu areas because they could loose muslim votes. They didn’t get one because there were none. I saw 6 young hindus killed just in Uganda Park/Lalita Society area, one of which was elder brother of my former class mate, with last name Verma. You can still see his memorial at Lalita society, Isanpur.

    I have grown up with lots of muslim friends in Shah-e-Alam area and nothing personal against Muslims. Sh*t happens because of these politicians but people like this author are creating more bad blood between Hindus and Muslims.

    Past is past. I have forgotten and so does my fellow Hindu and Muslim gujaratis. We are hardworking community and reaping fruits of it.

    But people like this author and news papers, all of them, not only HT, remind us of our wounds. My humble request is to stop reminding us these bad times.
    If you are true Indian, start working towards connecting Hindus and Muslims instead of pulling them apart.

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Kudos for coming with ground realities of Gujarat. As to the author, writing against Modi and indirectly against the Hindus is his bread and butter, he’s paid to do it, he has no choice. These people don’t want Muslims to prosper and assimilate in the society. If this happens, their paymasters the CONgress will lose their votebank. It’s all about votebank politics – nothing more and self-styled journalist like this one abound and prosper in today’s media as CONgress has got enough coins to throw at them. Sh@me on today’s media.

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    Parashuram Yadav Reply:

    Man.. why are you lying? shame on your RSS khaki chaddi. There were 3000 Muslims who died and you are blaming them?

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    Indian Reply:

    where do you get these figures some say 7000 muslims some say 3000 muslims while Government of India says 1200 something that to not only muslims but 1200 consisted of 25% Hindus.

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    Indian Reply:

    Also he is talking about 1992 not 2002 !diot

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    Faulitics Reply:

    Excellent post. But gutter rats survive on the filth in the gutter. Zia needs these propaganda articles to survive.

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  • naresh

    Reading Zia’s article one feels that partition in1947 was not complete

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  • speakloud

    Hindustan Times , MOUTHPIECE of Congress ,what one can expect ? As said in Marathi Language.. MAKAD MAHNTO MAZI LAL.

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  • vijay

    The writer is biased and prejudicial to Modi and the Hindus he only mentions the train incident once which was the source of the carnage. He mentions words like demagogue, opium, Aushwitz, in reference to Modi. The more you vilify Modi more readership you get in the secular media, but while writing this he has forgotten and fallen short of glorifying Idi Amin, Omar Al Bashir, Osama bin Laden. This is not the Hindustan Times i knew it should be renamed The Congress Times.

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  • anangsen

    Yes, this is a fact. Like Azamgarh, Aligarh area of UP where muslims are organised into gangs which can be mobilised to create riots, loot, arson, rape within a matter of minutes. It is muslim gangland.

    The author paints a picture of carnage against the muslims, writing about their plight in graphic detail…..but why is he TOTALLY SILENT on even WORSE done to Hindus by his beloved muslims in places like Kashmir and Mumbai? At least the riots in Guj were in RETALIATION to the train incident…..against what were the muslim gundas retaliating to in Kashmir and Mumbai????

    The writer thinks that he can create mass hysteria by penning such trash, but he is forgetting that this is the internet age where people will not merely meekly accept this drivel but write AGAINST it!

    Sorry Mr. Zia Haq, but times have changed, and you shall see the new dawn on the 20th.

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  • AM

    love the introduction where the writer states Modi is supported by filmstars and Business and when madani arrives in Gujarat he is received by mahesh bhatt (another bollywood representative) who the writer feels is the beacon of hope for the muslims. Come on Zia ji , you cpuld have done better

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  • Sandy burger

    This journalist didn’t bother to visit Godhara and see burned trains. Or to meet dead Hindus. one sided idiots.

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  • winston churchil

    This author has the audacity to call Gujrat, the Auschwitz, forgetting how the muslim rulers treated Hindus, destroyed their Temples, desecrate the deities,
    imposed Razia, and forced rulers to marry their daughters and wives and looted the nation. Muslims, who are intolerant to any other religion, killing Shias and Ahmadia’s, while they are praying, and trying to convert the whole world to Islam. This author, who proclaim to be the Muslim face, show read the history, and be grateful that he can write such stupid articles and get is published, walk over to Muslim Pakistan and he will get a lesson of his life. The muslims, are
    the nucleus of terrorism in India, these home grown, traitors are behind every
    act of terrorism in India. Gujrat riots would not have happened, if his Muslim
    brother would have not torched the train carrying Kar-Sevaks. This author must be thinking that it is a birth right for every Muslim to kill Hindu, be a terrorist and
    a traitor- because muslims are chosen people. Those days are gone, when
    Muslims can kill majority with impunity. Muslims listen to only one language, that is called FORCE, one can not reason with them, every body is Kafir, and
    they are the only chosen son of GOD. So please stop this nonsense of
    Auschwitz and get a life or migrate to Pakistan and be happy their. That counry was created for people like you.

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  • http://twitter.com/VandeMaBharati VandeMaBharati

    As usual rant of Hindustan trolls in favour of Khangress and Millais

    Wasted my 10 mins reading this bs.

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    vin0059 Reply:

    VandeMaBharati u are are an absolute and real nonsense.800 years of muslim
    rule was golden period of indian history.roads building cities were
    built by muslim rulers.india had gdp 25%of world gdp and literacy was
    93%.there was complete communal harmony.shudras were given good posts in
    armed forces.everybody was equal before law.education was free and
    state was obliged to pay even for books and copies.

    britishers called muslim india as sone kee chidia.

    in 65 years u destroyed indianness of indian.

    in vedic period doors of education were closed to nonbrhmns for 3000
    years .justice was according to caste not crime.even swarsati is
    jahil.it is because of muslim rule india was better than its
    neighbour.see nepal,lone hindu kingom of world.

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  • Parashuram Yadav

    This is a blot on India. It is a shame that the main perpetrator get’s elected by the Gujaratis. We have lost of shame, lost of sympathy and empathy. Hindus have become devils, who think that they worship Ram, but in reality they started worshiping Raavan. Shame.

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    Faulitics Reply:

    Both ram and raavan are mythical. Does it matter if you worship either Donald Duck or snoopy? By the way, is your sympathy for a person depend on what religion he is or is it based on truth and fairness?

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    Mehul Reply:

    Write with your original name @sshole

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  • Faulitics

    Karl Marx said that religion is the opium of the masses. That’s generally true of most religion and especially true of Islam. Zia has consumed that opium so only the suffering of people belonging to Islam will be visible to this opium addict. A sign of a fanatic is when you see a person looking at everything through his religious prism and when he looks at people, he sees greens and saffrons. Since green is his favorite color, his focus is on green and doesn’t care a damn about saffron. Arabization is to blame for this kind of attitude.

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  • Jogi

    The author sounds like a Fanatic and seems blinded by hatred for Gujarat and Gujarati’s. Please make a visit to Gujarat and see the progress of Minorities. Please compare it with the condition of Minorities in states like UP, Bihar, AP and Delhi which are ruled by so called “Secular” governments. Think beyond Minority appeasement and be impartial in your thoughts and do not spread hatred with such graphic details of isolated cases. Smell a rat, when such writings are published on the eve of voting in Gujarat. Need some sensible journalism.

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    munde Reply:

    The author sounds like a Fanatic and seems blinded by hatred for Gujarat and Gujarati’s

    GUJRATIS ARE MOST HARAMI PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MAHARASHTRIANS IN MUMBAI.SHIVSENA SAVED US.THEY ARE FARTY THIEVES.EVERYONE WANT TO BECOME harshad mehta.

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  • dronacharya

    Milestogo : I cannot afford… and will not forego my claim on “Earth”.

    Historybuff : Hindus are a very evolved race. They know how to survive.

    Kaalchakra : Its not as easy as you think. One man leading – and Aal Izz Well.

    India has 200 MM(20 crore) Muslims. Out of which 97.5% are poor.
    There is no power on earth that can give each one of them a bottle of
    water (600 ML). They are passing thru the “Hudaybiyya” Stage of
    evolution. A compromise is necessary. My culture is completely Hindu.
    Language. Food. Dress. I enjoy Dhrupad Music (Temple singing). And i
    have the Islamic Faith (Advaita/One God.. Eko Jagadeeshwar – Eko
    Jagatguru). The two are complementary. There is NO contradiction.

    Hindus are not willing to give the job of a PEON to a Muslim. That
    would be “appeasement”. So what do they offer ? Migration or Death.
    One muslim dead is one muslim less ! (They will steal his kidney first –
    before killing him.. even dead-bodies can fetch money, you know…
    Skeletons sell well). Muslims in India will have to (and luckily are)
    adjust to changing times.

    First : We have to (and we have) give up urdu/arabic/persian
    completely for the next 300 years. THat has to be replaced by
    english/french/chinese mandarin..

    Second : Shaayri (urdu/arabic/persian) must be suspended for the next
    300 years. That has to be replaced by Physics/Math/Sciences.

    Third : Music and Dance must be accepted as + points. The taboo from
    liberal arts must be removed. Man needs aesthetics too. So we delve
    deep into the ocean and dance… flowers… rivers… rain… nature worship ?
    No. In nature we see Allah.. and remember him. We dont worship the
    rain. We see it as His manifestation of Grace !

    Fourth : Education. GOI has no money (and no will) to spend one
    single rupee on muslim welfare. Then what ? Solution is : Home
    Schools. A network is needed… wherein we DUB the whole KG-XIIth CBSE
    Sylabbus in Urdu.. and that resource material (it would take atleast Rs.
    200 crores to do this project) should be available for free.

    Muslims do not have money to feed themselves.. who will pay for the
    internet connectivity.. who will buy them the Tablet ? There is no free
    lunch in this world. I think some creative Financial Solutions are
    needed in this regard.

    Muslims need not burden themselves with a single rupee. They need
    not give a single rupee out of their wallet. A change of mind is
    needed. THey need to improve their AQLAAQ. Respect people. Speak
    mildly. Fight arrogance and pride. And there must be MUTUAL SYNERGY
    amongst muslims.

    If you have lots of clothes and want to get rid., wash your clothes,
    iron them., put them in a plastic bag., and give it to the needy
    muslims. Same for books. Shoes. Bags. Linen. Bedspreads. even
    Furniture and appliances. Speak gently.. LOVE EACH OTHER.

    IF INDIAN MUSLIMS LOVE EACH OTHER – EVEN WITHOUT GOVT. SUPPORT – THEY CAN SURVIVE., AND EVEN THRIVE.

    INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE 20% OF POPULATION. IF they achieve synergy..
    they can survive. We need 100,000 Muslim C.A.s. We need Muslim
    Startups. Musilm start-ups must employ poor muslims. Those poor muslims
    (labour) must work sincerely and not stab their Master.
    Pyaar-Mohobbat-Khuloos- Mutual dukh sukh.. a certain BOND.. needs to be
    strengthened.

    MUSLIMS MUST DO ON A WAR FOOTING : C.A., MBA., START UPS., SCIENCE AND MATH.

    This is the agenda for the next 300 yrs. Any other issue(s) may be
    discussed after such time. Whats the hurry. Lets try this for the
    first 300 yrs… and see the outcome.
    Au revoir

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  • satyender

    1000 plus communal riots and demolition of babri mosque is enough to show the real face of high caste hindus in india.

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  • satyender

    Jinnah believed in the equality of man regardless of religion or race etc.

    Mahatma Gandhi it must be remembered said that he was a Hindu first and
    therefore a true Indian and also that Black people were lesser human beings than
    other people.
    that is why commun politics never succeeded in pakistan.

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  • rao

    This is absurd when Muslims do something(train burning) it is by unidentified

    any proof .fire started from inside.there was no muslim inside.who loked the door and why.

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    bharat shah Reply:

    though more to Muslims because it started by them burning people.Hindus
    accept they did mistake but no Muslim regrets Train Burning which shows
    how much tolerance guys have towards people of other Religion.

    bullshit.bogey was put on fire by gundaas o rss and vhp to provide reaso for riot which was preplanned.these antinational gundaas were perpetuating riots since 1969.every riot was dividing society and strenghting bjp/rss vote bank.

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    Someone Reply:

    If you have proof go to court and prove it there that it was done by RSS. Shouting here with no proof wont help.

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  • Debasish

    I am not talking about the space in this article. Look at all his blogs and tell me did he ever bother to think about “other” Indians?

    You are trying to equate Narendra Modi with Jagdish Tytler etc. Equivalent of Modi in 1984 riots were Rajiv Gandhi (Delhi was not a state then and came under central governance) and Narayan Dutt Tiwary, the chief minister of UP. Rajiv Gandhi became the PM of the country AFTER the riots – nobody made any noise then like they are making now.
    Equivalent of Jagdish Tytler, Azad Kardam etc. in 2002 was Maya Kodnani. While Kodnani has been convicted, people like Tytler, Kardam etc, who were known to be close to Gandhi family BEFORE the riots, have been scot-free.

    Though twice as many people were killed in 1984 riots, there have been very very few convictions in 1984 riots. While I am happy that many people have been convicted for 2002 riots, we, as a nation, have failed the victims of 1984 riots. And there is nobody to shed tears for them.

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Actually, I’m not equating Tytler to Modi. I’m saying Tytler is a relatively minor figure compared to Modi.

    It is sad that many who have been involved in rioting (_all_ rioting) have got away from justice but that does not mean that people should continue to get away.

    “nobody made any noise then like they are making now.”

    Well, maybe Indians have grown up over the past three decades and are making a noise now. Wouldn’t you agree that that is a good thing?

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    THE AUTHOR REMINDED ME OF AUSCHWITZ,THE MOST NOTORIOUS CONCENTRATION CAMP DURING 2ND WOLD WAR.HE TALKS OF GULBARGA SOCIETY ASET OF FEW APARTMENTS AS SYMBOL COMPAREABLE WITH AUSCH WITZ.
    IF WE CAN COMPARE ATROCITIES COMMITTED ON THREE DAYS ,CONTINUOUSLY ,WITH WORST KIND OF LYNCHING WITNESSED AFTER 2ND WORLD WAR AT THE INSTIGATION OF RULERS ,IT WAS IN DELHI DURING 1984.THE NOOF PERSONS SLAUGHTERED WERE 5000.THE BURNING TYRES AROUND NECK WAS COMMON SIGHT.THE BEAUTY OF GREAT CONGRESS PARTY IS IT DIDNOT ALLOW ANYONE TO BE PUNISHED.
    THE ARMY HIGH COMMAND WAS AT A SHOUTING DISTANCE BUT,’JAB BARA PED HILTA HAI TO DHARTI KANPTI HAI…’THE EARTH SHOOK AND TOOK UNLIMITED CORPSES WITHIT.THE PEOPLE WERE NOT MEEK BUT OUR MARTIAL RACE MR HAQ.WE ARE PROUD OF THEM .
    CAN WE CALL DELHI A BIG AUSCHWITZ DEAR JIA HAQ.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kashi2222 Kashi Kashi

    you have got infantile immaturity, what i have stated that no single person can instigate entire community against another community, both Muslims and Hindus should sit together and try to understand what are the causes of riots between them, Muslims in particular better discuss with Hindus than depending on opinion of person like you who think modi is root cause of all the riots in our country

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    devil_wheels Reply:

    Maybe that’s what you _meant_ to say but not what you did manage to say.

    How did you manage to conclude that I’m holding Modi responsible for all riots in India?

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    Kashi Kashi Reply:

    small kid can do that

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    Guest Reply:

    And that’s the only level on which you operate.

    devil_wheels Reply:

    The question is not about who but about how.

  • Abhi

    Zia thinks that by telling lies again and again, they take a semblance of truth. Auschwitz
    wqs what happened to Hindus in Pakistan in 1947. If Zia wants conciliation, let him write about HIndus in Kashmir, who are living in refugee camps after 23 years in their own country. Or, is that also a “Muslim land”, MR. Zia?

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  • dinesh sharma

    Whether Mr. Modi is the opium for Gujarat’s masses or not, however, I am quite sure, after going through the length and breadth of the history and in the present day context, all the Dharmas prevailing in this world are like nasha of Opium. Amongst all of them, Muslims have always been ahead and in forefront in taking that Opium deeply and in greatest quantity.
    Suffice it to say that the atrocities whether they were committed on others by them in the name of Islam or by the followers of other faiths on Muslims, the root-cause behind all the bloodshed, in all cases and in any view of the matter, is only and only the Muslims, who are solely responsible for their ill-fate. They do not believe in co-existence and their demands are endless, which can never be met and fulfilled.
    It is because of their adamant and aggressive attitude towards other faiths, everywhere in the world, as we saw in Kashmir, Pakistan, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and so on, they are indulged in raising high the flag of Islam, without going into the fact at what cost and by what means, they are doing so, to achieve their goal. Their ideas and dreams cannot be met and fulfilled because this world is a place where peace cannot be prevailed for ever, even on their demand, the whole world is converted into an Islamic state and all human race become the follower and adopt Islamic faith, for which they are striving against for centuries.
    As far as Hindus are concerned, by nature and by heart, they are peaceful at heart and have always embraced the others with open heart and mind.
    Muslims should give a serious thought and ponder over the causes that why they have become a non-acceptable entity, having all the attributes which are found in other sects and what distinct and separate them from others.

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  • lk

    quran forbids cysnicism is classical statement of taqqiya strategy used in quran to invite victimization status. the author must remember india-hidustan from indus rive to indonesia was and is part of vedic civilisation – a new civilisation from arabic desert imposed to natives by force and claiming victim status wont work in the age of modernity, feminism and nationalism. The faithful of muslims can live in peace in darul islam of saudiarabia if they think grandiose that they arent part of vedic civilisation and they are sent by god and non muslims are not.

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  • lk

    “Quran forbids cynicism” is classical statement of taqqiya strategy used
    in Quran to invite victimization status. the author must remember India-Hindustan from Indus river to Indonesia was and/ is / and going to be part of Vedic Civilisation – a new Civilisation from Arabic desert imposed to natives
    by force and claiming victim status wont work in the age of modernity,
    feminism and nationalism. The fundamentals of islam are on shaky grounds. The faithful of muslims can live in peace in
    darul islam of saudiarabia if they think grandiose that they arent part
    of vedic civilisation and they are sent by god and non muslims are not.

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  • lk

    everyone reading this article – should also read this and take decision unbiased
    http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/MeherApostacy.htm

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  • dronacharya

    Gandhi remained the same. From South Africa to Delhi 1948. But he became
    sophisticated. “One great use of words is to hide one’s thoughts” said Voltaire.
    So, Gandhi said something and DID exactly the opposite.

    Vijaye Raje Scindia (Financier of RSS for decades) rightly said : “He was an
    old hypocrite”. An honest confession is : Gandhi was NOT a honest person. He was
    dis-honest to the core ! He said, “India would be partitioned over my
    dead-body”…. and then took a 180 degree turn !

    True leaders do not change their hats, that easily ! India is (was) a land of
    fools, as Jus. Markandey Katju rightly said… and Indians are fooled easily.. As
    late as 1992.. Advani was successful in fooling the HIndus over Ram Temple.. and
    “hatred for the other”. And if Muslims express anger : they are dubbed
    terrorists… Provoke and Attack…. THAT is the RSS strategy.. until they are so
    subdued., that if killed., they dont cry. If raped, they dont complaint. They
    accept it as their FATE.. KARMA.

    RSS wishes to break the WILL of Muslim psyche, thru-out India. They have
    succeeded in that endeavor in Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh. The cowards do not go
    on world-conquests. Like a wife-beater, they want to crush Indian Muslims within
    Indian borders..

    Sadism in the name of symbolism/religion : That is RSS

    By the by, Gandhi loved RSS. Keshav Baliram Hegdewar (Daktar Saheb) was a
    member of the Congress ! So was Madan Mohan Malaviya ! Later on., Hegdewar estd.
    RSS. Malviya’s parent organisation was HMS., but he was ALSO the President of
    the Congress ! (A woman has 2 husbands at any given time, waali baat hai.. This
    is surpassing the Pure Devadasi Tradition where a Devadasi has only ONE patron
    at a time !).

    Hegdewar got out of hand. RSS was Gandhi’s Pvt. Army. to be used inisde
    India., just in case of …………………….

    RSS was given the job of Policing Indian streets, during the 1965 war
    w/Pakishtan, in India

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  • momn doter

    Interesting choice of words. We enslaved, and victims then converted to Islam.

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  • momn doter

    All politicians are in favor of other religions. Fact still stands.

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  • Abhi

    “Muslims see an emerging threat from Hindu nationalists”
    When will Zia talk about Hindus seeing an emerging threat from Muslim nationalists, of whom there is no dearth in India?

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  • Abhi

    “What the Babri incident did to us”.
    It is dismaying that “us” for Zia means “us muslims”. One would hope that for a ’secular” blogger, “us” would mean, “us Indians”. If indeed, Zia “belongs” more to muslims than to India, he should perhaps seek for an asylum in Pakistan where he would feel more “at home” with all the “us muslims”.

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  • Sam

    “The king (Sudhanva) commanded his servants “kill all Buddhists from Himalaya to Rameshvaram, even children and elderly. Whosoever will not kill them, will be killed at my hands.” [93]

    At the instigation of Kumarila Bhatta, the king killed the Buddhists, the opponents (of the Hindu religion) just like a Yogi destroys the disturbances. [95]

    [Madhava-Vidyaranya, Sankara Digvijaya Sarg 1; shlokas 93-95] “

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  • Indian

    A Killer will remain a Killer. No matter what happens. The gujrat Riots starting from the burning of train in Godhra are a Planned n Well Executed Events, n of course Modi has Played a vitol role in it. as far as modi is concerned da whole world will see how painfully he is going to Die.

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