Kayani ki kahani



I aren’t the least surprised that the Prime Minister’s Office has contradicted reports of there being any contact with Pakistan Army Chief Ashfaq Pervez Kayani in the run-up to Manmohan Singh’s Mohali meeting with Pakistani counterpart Yousaf Raza Gilani. One has to take the PMO’s version on its face value even though the alleged back channel with Rawalpindi makes sense, given the Pak Army’s decisive role in Pak-India, Af-Pak and Pak-US affairs.

It’s an open secret that the civilian regime in Islamabad has virtually outsourced these key foreign policy portfolios to the men in khakis. The arrangement makes sense from the way power is exercised by the establishment’s civil, military and political arms. The Pak Foreign Office is a veritable adjunct of the GHQ whose word is final on issues with security implications, be it Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek, bilateral trade with India or action against anti-India terrorist groups. It is the fauj that backs the LeT whose complicity in the Mumbai attacks is beyond doubt.

Pragmatism therefore dictates engagement with the real rulers of Pakistan. And in order not to show the elected regime there in poor light, it’s better done on the quiet, without any show or fanfare to keep domestic backlash at the minimal in either country. It’s a somewhat reliable modus vivendi to keep the pretence of talking to a democratically elected regime without the fear – and one hopes this bit the Pak generals will ensure — of having the dialogue scuttled through adventurism of the kind seen in Kargil after A B Vajpayee took a bus ride to meet Nawaz Sharif in Lahore.

But Pervez Musharraf who masterminded Kargil did come around later to sign a MoU with Vajpayee and initiate a back channel that made progress on vexed bilateral issues— that remain resolved because India didn’t initially trust Musharraf who later quit in the face of mass protests over his face-off with the judiciary.

I aren’t sure whether Kayani understands that making peace with India is the only recipe to ensure a better future for his countrymen reeling under mal-administration, corruption, sectarian violence, economic hardship and poverty. The army he presides over is brought up on the doctrine of hating India and with the objective of crushing it in war or in peace.

It’s this hostility that’s at the root of all distrust. Peaceniks cannot succeed till there is a paradigm shift in the thinking of hardliners and maximalists in the Pak establishment who live only for the present with no vision of the future. Talks with them have their serious downside. But there’s no harm making an effort to probe their mind. That wouldn’t weaken India as a nation State. It’ll only show how strong, self-confident and durable it is.

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  • shan

    @Vinod Sharma , all that you have written is true as well as an OPEN SECRET. But IT DOES MAKE INDIA LOOK WEAK.It is like trying to invite the thugs who raped your daughter to resolve the differences.
    you memory seems to be quite short 26/11 isn’t that distant past.SAFEEZ SAYEED IS A REGULAR IN THE ARMY CELEBRATION PARTIES.(Source patrick french India , a biography of 1.2 billion people)
    Just ask yourself WOULD INDIRA GANDHI KOW TOW TO THESE THUGS. What is the point of being THE LARGEST IMPORTER OF ARMS IN THE WORLD , IS IT JUST A PLOY TO GET BACKHANDERS TO FILL THE COFFERS OF CONGRESS PARTY.

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    Prasoon Reply:

    I agree with Shan that talking to Pakistan is a useless waste of time. How many times has Indian PM started talks after cold relationship for some time. But all these talk have not gone any where and then there will be another attack in India which will move the clock back to 3 years. So net in net there is no progress. I don’t understand why all the PMs in India seems so eager to start the talk again and again after getting slapped again and again. I think we should wait till they are ready like Pakistan Cricket team is ready to play with India and in IPL.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shan
    My blog is not definitive. It is tentative in its tone without rejecting outright the idea of talking to the Pak Army.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    As you said rightly, it is not only pakistani fauz but a large section of public of that unfortunate land, who are anti India. reasons being many . Size of India, inspires fear. Successful pluralism, generate feeling of inadequacy, Ascent of India in economy and world affairs generate jealousy, inability to annex J&K, generates dispair and 10 time weaker hindu, who does not eat beef, is beating muslim(?) pakistan out and out, is generating hatred. Supreme hatred is reserved for defeats in all the wars.
    We all know this. We can change fortune of indians but we can not change our geography. We have to continue to live with this oddity, which goes by name of Pakistan. One should realize that in present day world, use of naked force is not possible, particularly between two nuclear powers. I will suggest keep on talking, even if it is inane, this gives an opening at least. We know the intentions of them,hence keep on talking soft, carry a big stick and keep your powder dry. Terror attacks should be reciprocated with terror attacks, launched silently and without leaving evidence. I believe, an opening has been made in this connection in Nepal, with good results.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinodji;
    This is the first time in many months, when I agree with you in totality. Even at the risk of annoying Prabhat, I agree with your this piece. Only thing I noticed here, with which I may disagree is that Civilian government has not out sourced Foreign affairs and Defence to Fauz- which has a connotation of it being voluntary, but these departments have been forcefully taken away from civilian government.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    Point taken.

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  • bala srinivasan

    talking to the military of pakistan may not be productive when history tells the story of pakistani double speak&Failure to follow up what they have promised.INDIA rightfully aware of various instruments of any govt anywhere are as good as they are used for&by the govt of that country at particular times.But Pakistan is in a strange situation where the instruments of its govt dictating to the govt itself&so INDIA dealing with both **** govt&its various instruments including the military in my opinion is total waste of time.EVEN the AMERICANS with all their resources&the NECESSITY are unable to get anywhere with pakis.BENIGN NEGLECT is the only option left for INDIA.

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  • Rajiv

    Well I agree with Mr Vinod Sharma on this. He has not minced words or indulged in misleading and false rhetoric that piecenics often indulge in by equating India and Pakistan by making such banal and propogandist statements like ‘there are extrimists on both sides’. It should never be forgoitten that Pakistan is the recalcitrant and the wrongful entity in matters relating to India-Pak relations.

    However, I would love to have a blog on Suresh Kalmadi and the charges against him.
    Here is an opportunity to do real justice and give a minimal 20 year sentence to him and all those who have illegally profited from CWG. Opposition should demand that a fast track court be set up to handle CWG related cases.

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  • indpen

    Vinodji,

    History tells us that Pakistan will learn from any event whether from 71 or Kargil. Pakistani army’s only objective is destruction of India. No matter how may of back channel talks we have with Kayani, the ground reality will not change. Kayani is writing his own kahani about India which is betray India and stab every chance he gets like Musharaf.

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  • prashant saxena

    Vinodji,
    Vir sanghvi had written an incisive piece about Pakistan’s policy of creating multiple facades, each of which agrees in principle but pleads inability to actually do anything about terrorism, anti India activities etc.

    Opening several lines of communication only serves to perpetuate this misapprehension, there is really no divide, only a single minded commitment to undermine India. The civilian govt blames the army, the army blames the ISI and the ISI is above everyone. Actually they are all government servants who go to work everyday with a tiffin box, and get a salary for following a clearly laid down policy of enmity with India.

    The sooner we see this, the sooner we stop negotiating with the killers of our soldiers and civilians and convince them that talks are over, and now like will be reciprocated with like, the less blood we will lose.

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  • Babu Gupta

    One youth was killed by some ’so far’ unknown assailant. There were demonstrations – I do not understand against whom. But the “we want freedom” , “Islam Zindabad” was heard loudly. What was the connection. I fail to understand the connection in two incidences, except, it is a habit no matter what happens or does not happen. The police was welcomed by stone peletrs. Forget about Pakistanis! Can you change the mindset of these separatists, Islamists, etc no matter how much love, trust, care you offer to them.

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  • manikshah

    Pakistan will never change, India is wasting their time, talking to Pak Govt. or Kayani, they all are the same,
    they have one mouth 2 Tounges inside, one head 2 faces, they speak everybody’s language, overheated and shameless society. If India go to war with pak’s, India will be the looser, it will chase all the investor from India, this is what pak’s want, their nuclear weapons become black mail, that is why they keep attacking India, pakistan been client state since it’s creation, first they work for england, to please them because england hated India, then U.S.A, now china, they getting free stuff from them, and doing all the dirty work to keep them happy. After Mumbai attack, FBI AND CIA travel to India so many times and nothing came out of it. India should not depend on any country for help, pakistan will sink one day, they killed so many innocent peoples in kashmir, punjab and other states of India, they are blood sucker. “What goes around, it comes around”.

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  • nirav

    Mr Vinod,

    Pot calling the kettle black???
    What policy does UPA and your beloved sweet heart congress have??
    Havent they outsourced the policy and country’s interest at the feet of US???
    Pakistan is no democracy and may soon be blurred as an entity like afghanistan but what about 1billion+ Indian nation?Why is our country spineless..because our foreign policy is born out of cowards like nehru and manmohan…Not only cowards but selfish just to get nobel peace prize they will make indian bodies as offerings to the murders across the border and inside the ten janpath..
    Journalist like you keep covering up their misdeeds and barking at anybody who dares to stand up.
    After watching guys like Vinod sharma and vir,barkha and rajdeep….I can only say

    “If you are in journalism kill yourself now,that is the only way to save your soul”

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    Anil Nayar Reply:

    the country, nor its image, nor its policies are spineless. Nor are we cowards. perhaps you need to get yourself examined if you are suffering from low self esteem. The country is certainly not.
    stop cribbing about congress and sonia. Foreign policy is universal to all political parties.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Anil Nayar

    you are just another Congress boot licker and a typically deluded Indian

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Anil Saheb

    Nirav’s rant is not on account of low self esteem, but due to anger and despair that his beloved side and hero is not at the helm of affairs of the country. He needed a trigger to indulge in hate mongering and wishing death to people he intensely dislikes. Telling him that by and large foreign policy has been above party politics does not concern him at all, it is the actors his sole concern.

    By your well-meaning advice to him, you have already been targeted by Paritosh. There probably will be more such responses to your comment and mine too. Just wait and watch.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    Chodo yaar tumse kya baat karnei. You are so uni-dimensional. There is no variety in your comments.

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    nirav Reply:

    Vinod and mini vinods,

    There is no answer to any of the questions i raised..
    that is answer enough.
    Tell me one front that UPA foreign policy has succeeded…
    So stop talking about self esteem and other nonsense.
    We always question the party in power as they are responsible especially for more than 50 years of rule.
    As far as variety of comments are concerned…
    you too have uni-dimensional ideas…
    Its time you guys pull up some facts to counter your beloved UPA misrule allegations.
    Show me if corruption,poverty,black money,foreign policy ….any of these have even remotely improved in last 50yrs of rule…
    The corruption we have seen in last 5 years is beyond comparison across world forget across parties…(ofcourse you can chant yeddy yeddy but looks at the number of rotten apples in UPA and you know)
    I atleast call a spade a spade… for you guys i can say
    “Na mardangi to khuda ne di hai apko kumse kum magar maro maro to bolo”

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    itna lamba post aur itney repetition. Tota pari pekar likhtey ho kya.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    your silly comments have convinced me that you belong to some kitty party led by a rich woman whose husband is bored with her. Jo kehna hai usi ko sunao hamen bore math karo yaar…..hum boredom se marna nahin cahatey. Pleeeeease

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    nirav Reply:

    @vinod,

    Again no logic or substance in your answer.
    I guess you can easily walk into the kitty parties..with your gossips..
    (provided sonia madam permits you)…

    I wonder are you are journalist by profession/talent or economic compulsion…
    May thats why you took up part time work with NMC….apart from full time household job at 10 janpath…

    Let see if your ever finish your studies and can have a factual argument or discussion…
    till then enjoy the summer in your pink shades:)

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  • Prabhat

    It surely feels odd on the face of it that the PM of one of the largest democracy would open a back channel diplomacy with the military chief of Pakistan. It would appear as if we were not contributing to the cause of democracy in Pakistan.

    But unfortunately, the elected Govt. on Pakistan is more of ceremonial in nature. The civilian Pak Govt. has not able to assert itself. It is in constant flux and never in control.

    On the other hand, Kayani is coming out of Musharraf’s shadow slowly but surely. It’s quite remarkable to note that Kayani would refuse extra protection to Musharraf during his planned political campaign. That shows the kind of grip Kayani is getting on the military and the confidence he has gained in a short duration.

    It’s also to be noted that Kayani dared to take American head on by cutting off the Pak-Af supply line for Americans. This forced even Clinton to negotiate with Pak Military .

    Kayani may not be as flamboyant as Musharraf. But he is a professional soldier in classical mould.

    Kayani is a hawk and a known India baiter.

    While India is on a momentum for a near 9% growth, it’s imperative that we have rather a peaceful neighbourhood which would contribute to relative stability in the border states. We need to catch this growth curve early and use this growth opportunity for the overall development of the country.

    So I am not surprised if there has been a back channel effort to bring Kayani on board while working on the normalisation of relationship.

    But it has its political pitfalls.

    MMS would soon be called names for bending backward to accomodate Pakistan after Mumbai carnage. I believe the first salvo has already been shot by the opposition party. The chorus will only grow louder in days to come.

    It must have been one of the hardest decision for the PM. But I guess engaging Kayani while putting an effort to normalise the relationship with Pakistan is a right decision though a difficult one.

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  • Satish Haldankar

    I am not sure whether opening of back channels (since denied by the PMO and I would take that face value) with Gen. Kayani is appropriate and advisable. Perhaps, when all else fails and which has, why not try this too, though I have my doubts if the Pakistan army will ever change its approach towards India, given the fact that its 1971 surrender to the Indian armed forces still rankles. Friendly and peaceful relations are still a distant dream

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    Prabhat Reply:

    I agree it is tough. The Pakistan army thrives on India phobia.

    Honestly it’s not about Pakistan. It’s about us.

    We need to look at the gain if we have a relatively cool western border.

    Our resources could be deployed elsewhere. It’s a huge drain on our resources to stay engaged with Pakistan. For every single bullet fire from across the border we spend crores to stay alert. For every intruder across the border, we spend again crores to heighten the security. Infact Pakistan loves to play that game with us. Trying drain us with low-key military engagements.

    Remember we had to move the forces to the western border just after the attack on the Parliament ! We had spent more than 15000 crores on that mobilisation. Imagine what we could do with all that money !

    After Kargil, India has become the largest importer of arms in the World. Well, western world would love to sell us their security equipments and arms and feed their own arm industry. But all are gains through economic prosperity is being negated by the resource leak on the western frontier and other unrests in the country. Many of these unrests are also being fuelled by ISI, Pakistan Army Unit.

    I think if the Pakistan Army is engaged, the situation in J&K will also improve. The recent election turnout in J & K is quite heartening.

    So we need to deal with lots of grey area while engaging Pakistan Army in peace talk . It’s almost like walking in a blind alley. Anything can happen. But it’s brave-hearts who tread that fear in blind alley hoping for the light at the other end !

    Moreover, we know very little about Kayani and his thought process. Unlike Musharraf, Kayani works in the background. Unless we engage him and pull out for interaction, we will not get to know his response system. We will not get an opportunity to decode his thought process. And we will not be able to predict his next step. So it’s imperative that we pull him out and engage him in the discussion. After all, the Pak military chief is almost the supreme in Pakistan !

    I guess to dream about a complete and peaceful relation with Pakistan is a very very distant.

    But there is a lot of ground in between where we are today and the ideal situation we would like to be in.

    We can cover some ground – for our own strategic gain.

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    IMO, as I have stated above,. it is the 1971 surrender that is the core driving force for its anti-India stance. The other issues are secondary as far as the army is concerned, though they help. I see no way by which the army can forget and forgive the humiliation, the fact they brought it upon themselves is not important. Perhaps after a few generations more or after something very drastic events take place in Pakistan, there may be a course correction.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    I agree.

    Even after 60 years, people have not forgotten the impact of partition. Many of their actions are still being guided by that trauma.

    And for Pak Army, the 1971 surrender surely is the core driving force behind its anti-India stance.

    prashant saxena Reply:

    Prabhat,
    very well written and some evry good arguments, but if Pakistan is hell bent on hurting us, and no amount of mollification is enough, and they have China’s material and moral support and everything to gain and nothing to lose by continuing to hurt us, where will this policy of negotiation lead?
    Pakistan is at a point of no return with regard to its anti India, anti Israel and anti America policies and rhetoric. No new regime can afford to cede any ground on these issues or the hardliners (read common man in Pakistan) will swallow it up.
    In fact for the past 2 decades it has become essential for any new government taking over in Pakisatn to try to outdo the previous one with an even grander attack on India. Remember the desecration of the flag on Red fort, the attack on Parliament, Kargil and now Mumbai?
    Inaction and negotiation cannot protect a 9% growth rate from an aggressive neighbour. Nor can a 9% growth rate be an argument for inaction.
    India will ahve to seriously weigh its options of limited military strikes in Pakistan to discourage attacks of this anture. How China will choose to weigh in on a conflict of that nature is the elephant in the room.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Prashant

    After many decades, India’s time has come.

    We are destined to play much bigger role on the World geo-political stage.

    We have to grab that opportunity.

    And to do that , we have to think beyond Pakistan.

    People say, never argue with a fool. because a fool will bring you down to his level and then beat you with his experience.

    Same way, Pakistan wants to bring India down to its level. Engage, drain India’s resource and not let India grow.

    China would support Pakistan in its endeavour for obvious reason. Infact, even USA becomes a party to it because, it’s a good news for American Arm industry if India and Pakistan are at constant loggerhead.

    But should be obsessed with Pakistan and stay at Pakistan’s level?

    As per Dhirubhai Ambani’s famous “next orbit” theory, we should keep moving to the next orbit leaving our competitors gasping for breath. Before our competitor consolidates to fight us, we should have moved to the next orbit.

    That’s exactly we need to do.

    Stop being obsessed with Pakistan.

    Pakistan is like a little nugget that refused to get flushed down even after repeated flushing.

    We can not pause / stop our growing clout for Pakistan.

    We need to grow big INSPITE of Pakistan.

    Pakistan should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

    But let’s not stay obsessed with Pakistan.

    A professional boxer never fights with a regular street fighter even after much provocations. That does not make the Professional boxer is weak. The professional boxer is destined for bigger things in life. He conserves his energy for that bigger glory.

    Similarly, India is destined for bigger glory. We will achieve that INSPITE of Pakistan.

    Let’s move on.

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Kayani ki jhuti kahani pe roye
    badi chot khai phir bhi samaz me na aayi
    Kayani ki jhuthi kahani pe roye …

    na socha na samajha, na dekha na bhala
    teri arazu ne, hamen mar dala
    tere pyar ki meharabani pe roye, roye
    Kayani ki jhuthi …

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Nice.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Sir I wish I could officially appoint you the ‘Shakespeare and bard of the net”

    I have recently concluded that terror and killer funding Pakistan should be renamed “PAK-SHIT-STHAN ” :D

    I hope one day you will compose an anthem parallel to

    “Pak-shit-sthan ka matlab kya…. ” :D

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    A better one would be

    Mere dushman tu meri dosti ko tarsey
    mujhe gam deney wale tu khushi to tarsey
    Tou phool baney patjhad ka
    tujhpe bahar na aaye kabi
    tujhpe bahar na aaye kabhi
    jiye tu iss tarah ke jindagi ko tarsey
    merey dushman….

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Separated at birth we may be
    But that is God’s will…
    So let it be !

    One brother talks of love, peace and prosperity,
    The other of murder, death and Jehad,
    A meeting ground, there never can never be !! :D

    So, in the interest of both,
    Let us kill the Jaish, dissolve the ISI
    Dismember the killers of humanity,
    Then only can Peace ever be ….

    :) :)

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    ram Reply:

    @ vijay

    wht ever happend, Happend fr gud, abdul kalams lines

    other wise it was sharia by this time, no blogging and all those stuff

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ram

    That is why I say

    Seperated at birth we may be
    But that is God’s will…
    So let it be !

  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :D :D ~~ WE SHOULD MAKE THE MOST OF THE ALLAH GIVEN OPPORTUNITY ~~ :D :D ~~

    I agree mostly with Vinodji’s blog. There is no harm in talking to the real ruler of Pakistan, that is the army.

    However we all know that there can be no peace unless Pakistan hands over Hafeez Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Lakhvi and also closes its terror camps.

    So nothing is really going to come out of talk talk and talk. At best we can throw them some crumbs like aid and money to buy peace for short term. For example just before CWG we gave them 50 million US $ as flood aid to ensure they dont launch terror attacks during the CWG. And during the World cup we had to call in the “Sherry Rehman breast molester’, * Gilani ( :D ), for faricical talks to ensure they would not launch a terror attack duing the WC final. :D

    ( * Please see the You tube video to see how Gilani was breast fondling Sherry while pretending to shout Jive Jive Pakistan :D )

    Since the ISI is now globally recognised as a terror outfit like the Lashkar, we should now ram home the advantage. We should spruce up RAW and support the poor innocent Baluchis; meanwhile the US can be instigated to bomb the LeT and ISI headquarters thru drones.

    As such the Americans are dumb. A Chankyan niti to instigate them to ‘kick ***’ these bloody
    ****-s can really do wonders !! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    “Please see the You tube video to see how Gilani was breast fondling Sherry while pretending to shout Jive Jive Pakistan”

    Gilani Saab was actually confirming it is still there.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV shenoy
    It took you a long while to get hold of the You Tube clip Mr Glad Eye. It has been around for several years. But I wonder really as to why you are propagating it? Shows you in poor light.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    I am not guilty of the erotica you have accused me of.

    I am not even intersted in knowing what Sherry Rehman thought of the public groping Gilani put on display. These are side shows.

    We would do well to get on with the modalities of conducting Indo-Pak relations in a manner which will enhance our sense of honour and security and at the same time checkmate the brinkmanship of the ISI.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Gilani Saab can claim hoarse that it was not intentional. But his body language gives it away. There is hardly any change his body language “before the contact” and “after the contact ” unlike Sherry’s reaction. That is the give away ! It was intentional and not a matter of chance contact.

    dimple Reply:

    yeah shrma we know u hide news according to ur perverse def of integrity..

    yeah so we didnt know the truth about ur pakistani masters for years..

    u shuld be ashamed callling urself media…

    and u lie 24-7 about bjp and modi

    and u r such an idiot that u say the video was around
    just to put down shenoy…

    do u expect indians to spend their time digging up the truth u pimps have hidden..

    yeah u hid godhra train kashmir,and the source of the cd..

    u deem fit not to reveal the truth about the cd source and that it is doctored but u deem fit
    to report the fake cd to fraud indians who read u and give u alivelihood..

    u deem fit to hide the criminal nmc meber who works for congress and sajjan kumar,who gets paid by us…but u deem fit to jump on ankit about who is nmc chair…

    if vermin can be removed by pest control why not traitors and frauds like u…

    yeah u deem fit to call modi mass murderer and hide godhra train victims
    in the same breath…

    u r not ahuman being or and indian…

    just get out of this country while u still have time or patriots will prosecute u one day when ur congress is in italy like hosni was banished…

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Usman.,

    Sorry buddy!

    As much as I know that there are many a decent Pakistani who is caught in this jam because of their rulers, I see now way that a genuine Indo-Pak raproachment can occur till

    –> Pakistan takes some effective action against India centric terrorists and actually hands over some killers like Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, Dawood Ibrahim

    –> Pakistan morphs into a somehwat secular state which respects Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Qadinis etc.

    Till then we are destined to meet on the net. And on Indian sites you can only expect an exasperated genuine anger that our PM is talking about friendship while killers of innocents are made heroes by the Pakistani state.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    clarifications:

    Kick **** = Kick as-s

    bloody ****-s = bloody Pakistanis :D

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  • shan

    @Prabhat, could you please explain in plain english what this back channel effort that india undertakes will win the mind and heart of pak army. Will sending laddoo to kayani do, in fact other than handing overj&k and Punjab, and Junagadh and Old hyderabad of Nizam and parts of WB , can’t see any other way, STILL WILL NOT SATIATE THEIR LUST.Much better option is dimemberment of pakiistan. Indira gandhi came close , but chose not to do it. Will need a joint effort y USA, ISRAEL and INDIA, IT WILL BE GOOD FOR INDIA GOOD FOR WORLD PEACE AND GOOD FOR POOR PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @shan

    Any organisation, no matter how big or small, is as strong or weak as the person it is headed by. Be it a private firm, large PSU, political party or even he army. More so if it is Pakistan army where everything is top-down and quite autocratic.

    This means we can actually bypass all decision making process in Pak army, if Kayani goes little soft while longing for another Musharraf kind of lime light hugging Agra antics. I would not even be surprised if Kayani had been nursing such realty show on Indian television !

    You have no idea what television adulation can do to people ! How people can loose their objectivity before camera. You might have seen quite a few examples in recent weeks.

    There are many instances of soft touch martial artist beating many hard core, body contact type fighters. Because many a time, people get fooled by simple looking martial artists, underestimate the hidden power behind those soft and fluid movements. And before they even realise how badly they have been out-flanked , they get hit right on the nerve and fall flat .

    In simpler term, if Kayani shifts his stance slightly, there will be a cascading effect at the ground level. After all, Pak Army is the epicenter of all rumbling we hear miles away in Kashmir or even in hyderabad !

    So it’s better to take the bull by horn and set the ground rules of normalisation with Kayani himself !

    Imagine MMS being the soft-touch martial artist and Kayani, the hard hitting, bone crushing rogue fighter ready for a show down !

    Let the best man win !

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    On does not need television or media adulation for to loose one’s objectivity.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Satish

    That’s true.

    But very few people can handle TV adulation objectively.

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    “Will need a joint effort y USA, ISRAEL and INDIA, IT WILL BE GOOD FOR INDIA GOOD FOR WORLD PEACE AND GOOD FOR POOR PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN”

    @shan
    - Could you briefly explain the role of Israel in this?

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    shan Reply:

    @usman chowdhury, Israel has massive interest and israel is CLINICAL unlike bumbling yanks , REMEMBER MANGO PLOT AND ZIA , also israel has every interest to see those nukes neutralised for it lands with hamas , israel will not exist.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    i thought you were really an expert and would throw out an expert opinion. Quite frankly, may be just a fluke your words are very true and real. Whole of 90s is filled with stories and how much close both Israel and India were in bombing the nuclear facilities of Pakistan im fully aware of it.

    So what you just said above was what i witnessed in previous decade. A joint collaborative effort by trio.

    shan Reply:

    Usman chaudhury , INDIA WILL NEVER UNDERTAKE JOINT OPERATION AGAINST PAKISTAN , IT WILL IF USA IS IN THE GROUP.India has more muslims than pakistan , also india has good relation with all muslim nations bar pakistan and somewhat malaysia. INDIANS ARE RATIONAL NOT WEAK .
    Indians DONT HAVE THE BACKING LIKE ISRAEL AND PERHAPS MILITARY PRECISION TO BOMB PAKISTANI NUCLEAR SITES, YOU ARE OVERESTIMATING INDIAN POWER.
    But the bottom line is somehow pakistan needs to implode for in its current state there is no hope for the poor. India’s poor will advance albeit SNAIL’S PACE but advance , and in 60yrs there will no acute poverty.If it continues like this pakistan will be in deep trouble after thirty yrs.

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    @shan

    ” INDIA WILL NEVER UNDERTAKE JOINT OPERATION AGAINST PAKISTAN , IT WILL IF USA IS IN THE GROUP ”

    What makes you so pious in your claim keeping in view presence of both inside Afghanistan?
    Also, in connection to various trips to Washington and Cameron’s visit to India?

    ” India has more muslims than pakistan , also india has good relation with all muslim nations bar pakistan and somewhat malaysia ”

    whats that suppose to mean? That we at large are against India for its non-muslim majority? Please clarify…

    ” But the bottom line is somehow pakistan needs to implode for in its current state there is no hope for the poor ”

    We are discussing the politics and international affairs to engage not the demography.

  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    nobdy can stop this PAPISTAN getting vanished frm world map 10yrs down the line

    why u ppl waste ur time discussing on PAPI’s. Vinnu is obsessed with papistan becz he still thinks that nation is the only heven earth

    since 15 days no news of dewali (crackers not frm shivakashi) in papistan

    inbetween Kalamadi is in, and smebdy else is singing seila ka jawani

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  • V.K.CHAWLA

    मुंबई।। महाराष्ट्र के कोल्हापुर पुलिस ट्रेनिंग स्कूल में सेक्स स्कैंडल का मामला सामने आया है। महिला ट्रेनी कॉन्स्टेबलों ने आरोप लगाया है कि ट्रेनिंग के दौरान उनका यौन शोषण हुआ है। 11 कॉन्स्टेबल गर्भवती बताई जा रही हैं। इस मामले में मुख्य आरोपी ट्रेनिंग इंस्ट्रक्टर इंस्पेक्टर युवराज कांबले को गिरफ्तार कर लिया गया है। गृह मंत्रालय ने पूरे मामले की जांच के आदेश दिए हैं।

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  • usman chaudhry

    Interesting to find so many unidirectional opinions on Pakistan and quite surprisingly all appear to fail in drawing the connection to the situation prevailing in Afghanistan. I believe what’s at stake is Indian investments in Afghanistan. Its not a win for Pakistan either but a complete loss for someone who had ambitious aims.

    So what was unreliable face some time back is now the reliable face to approach to. Pity!

    Usman
    Pakistan

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Usman,
    Pakistanis invent phantoms then spend years fighting those. Indian relations with Afganistan is one such phantom that Pak ISI/Army has invented. The other phantom is India s7ucking away the waters of rivers flowing into Pakistan.

    In Afganistan, India’s only aim is to have a non-criminal government . India does not want a government that co-operates and sheilds hijackers like ISI-Taleban did to Indian airlines flight hijacked to Kabul. India has no desire for any military base or anything like that in Afaganistan, just it has none so in Bangladfesh or Nepal or SL.

    What Pakistan wants is a pro-Pakistan taleban regime. A regime which will co-operate with Pakistan in sheilding and training criminals and terrorists which are deemed to be in supreme national interest of the Islamic republic of Pakistan, as defined by its ISI/Army.

    However, given from your comments , Pak army/isi propogandist machinery has done a good job in inventing the jinh’s and phantoms that help them stay in power in Pakistan.

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    shan Reply:

    I fully agree and I think what Rajeev has written is plain and simple truth. Though for afghanistan , it may be just slightly more than seeing no terrorist haven springs up. Gandhari from gandhara, also average afghans muqsad in his life has been to go to India. It is true the central asian oil has small role to play , then India has a small military base in Turkmenistan.
    Then again islam is all about EMOTION , and rational judgement plays no role thus SUBMISSION.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I just stumbled on Vinod Sharma’s interview in Pakistani media. I have never seen him so honest.
    Pl. do watch this one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVCYFsD2J3I&feature=related

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Am not able to see it. Pl tell what is it about?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    This link is working. It’s your view on internal politics of India.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    The first comment in this blog by Shan is spot on, emotionally. ‘…But IT DOES MAKE INDIA LOOK WEAK.It is like trying to invite the thugs who raped your daughter to resolve the differences…’.

    But diplomacy does not run on emotions. We have one of the world’s most unstable country on our borders, it is also nuclear. So talk to them, but like Bruce Lee bowing before an opponent, never take your eyes off the opponent. Imagine how Chanakya or Shivaji would have dealt with a difficult enemy- steely fist in a velvet glove.
    So talk if you must.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Also do not make repeated demands- give us Dawood, or Hafiz Sayeed etc. ASK ONCE ONLY.
    If you have the power like USA, then you can make these demands. Otherwise keep quiet, it makes us look weak.
    Instead go after these terrorist masterminds. Pay crores to hit sqads or rival talebani ppl to go after Dawood etc. Reactivate RAW in Pakistan- Gujral idiot had withdrawn it from Pakistan.
    Never forget your naval strength and Pakistan’s weakness- Nawaz Sharif had openly said that the Indian naval blockade had almost brought Pak to its knees on account of oil.

    So next time there is a Kasab, show some muscle rather than verbal diarrrhoea- we will bomb camps, salami land grabs etc. BULL SH.. Like the iconic scene in ‘The good, the bad and the ugly’ where the man in his bathroom shoots first at his gloating would be assasin- ‘If you have to shoot, then shoot. Dont talk’

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    At the end of the day, the story of Pak is the story of Dara Shikoh always vanquished by the fundamentalist Aurangzeb. For Aurangzeb, read Kayani, Mushy, Zia ul Haq- strong men all.

    The modern equiv of the Upanishad loving liberal Dara would be Pervez Hoodbhoy. Lovely man, but out of place in the Islamic testosterone world of Pakistan.
    Thats all, feedback from all and from USMAN CHOWDHURY welcome

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    You have hit the nail on head. Are you an orthopedic surgeon? Kidding.

  • dimple

    these hindu softies should first comment on the news that US is acting acainst 26-11 terrorists not the indian govt…….

    what about justice t o 26-11 victims…

    instead they r doing fancy analysis about aurangzeb aand dara and this guy sends flying kisses sarhad par after 26-11….and now finds time for academic analysis…

    no shame that indian govt is not doing duty and USA is

    it is these idiots who clap when mms sings yeh dosti at mohali..

    and now just see the anger/abuse in pankaj who still reads chacha nehru fairy tales when millions of children have to work 15 hours…

    this idiot will lecture about abuse but will call women chauvanni chap when such traitors r created by what level….the guy is 60 plus and he is cracking jokes diverting attention from 26 -11

    he will get riled up when his ego is hurt but will lecture others about abuse and himself cal women chavani chap….first practice what u preach idiot…

    what feelings gets mad at shalu but doesnt feel for chacha’s child labor after 60 yrs…and the feelings of 26-11 victims..

    god save india from such idiots….no wonedr USA is acting against 26-11 while chahcha’s party
    is not learning from history for votebank and trying to hang incorruptible patriot modi whom
    the ignorant doctor has already produced guilty…without proof and fantasizes about flying kisses with an enemy nation that kills…as long as it is not his family…

    god save india from such people…only hindus can produce such traitors…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    To do things and getting away like USA does, one has to achieve the stature and influence of USA in the world stage.

    If not USA, then try be as good as China.

    Why suddenly China looks so powerful that it is getting away with lots whimsical acts?

    It’s sheer economic power.

    Everybody knows that economic power can get you that enviable power on the World stage. The geo-political power will come naturally alongwith the economic power.

    Few years back, the PM of the day had to carry the Gold and sell abroad to raise money for the Country.

    Today, in few years down the line, all nations are queuing up to business with us !

    Few years back, our army/forces did not have money to upgrade their vintage equipments.

    Today, we have become the largest arm importers in the World !

    Today, we could even think of waiving large 60000 crore loans to the farmers.

    Even guarantee 30days of work to people under NREGA.

    Earlier, luxury hotels looked down Indian tourists. Today, they vie for Indian tourists budget!

    Mittals, Tata, Ambanis, Murthys are ruling the World business scape.

    And you have likes of Nooyi, Vikram Pandits and Jains turning large corporations around.

    Obama says when Indian PM Man Mohan Singh speaks all World leaders listen with rapt attention.

    You can see we have changed. Our World profile have changed.

    But we have not reached that cusp yet, where we can lots of Unilateral decisions like USA or China do.

    They say never fight unless you are ready to fight.

    We have helped Pakistan emerge as a nuclear power openly. By doing this, we have lost our supremacy / advantage of traditional warfare over Pakistan. Now, at the slightest provocation, Pakistan starts mobilising nuclear arsenals to the front. The Western countries observe these movements through satellite images, panic and rush to India and Pakistan to help cool down the temper. So for Pakistan, simple mobilisation of nuclear arsenals ( and allowing the World to notice) has become a successful tactic. And Pakistan uses this to its adavantage!

    Does this mean, we do nothing about it?

    No.

    We need to grow at a fast rate. Strengthen our economy. Integrate well with the World economy. Make our presence felt in the World stage. We need to be reckoned with in world geo-political scene. from Asia to Africa and Europe to USA.

    We need to shed our image of snake charmer.

    And we need to do all these INSPITE of Pakistan and its antics.

    So keep Pakistan engaged, help western border stay cool, bring in economic prosperity in border states like Kashmir and help Kashmiris overwhelmingly feel proud being Indian.

    Looks tough. But doable.

    We are on the right track. The World is recognising our power. Soon, we will be one of them. At that point, we can think of taking unilateral decisions and not be afraid of the World isolating us.

    At this moment, we are little young and emerging power. So we can not take many unilateral decisions like USA or China does.

    But our time will come. We are not far from that point, when we too can take many unilateral decisions and people would be uncomfortable in raising their finger at us.

    The need of the hour is unity and our singular aim to make the nation strong and powerful.

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    dimple Reply:

    prabhat..i dont want to waste time on embarrassing gone cases like u…

    first ask ur congress traitors to hang afzal and also all those indians who r calling it rss saazish as shown in my link above…

    i cannot communicate with a combination of gross stupidity and antinationalism that both congress and u and mafia media like sharma stand for…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    How many people were hanged during 6 years of NDA tenure?

    Had Advani fast tracked the hanging process in those six years, hanging atleast 2 guys every week , may be Afzal Guru’s time would have come much sooner. He would not have been No 27 waiting on the list.

    [ I am sorry for sounding crude]

    Prabhat Reply:

    @dimple

    By the way there is shortage of hang man to execute. [ Factually correct ]

    You know somebody who would take up this job ?

    Or, may be you can apply for this job !

    dimple Reply:

    prabhat..u take pleasure in being apathetic stupid clown like sharma…

    idiot u r admiting that congress is wrong by pointing fingers at bjp for the same…

    ur rahul did the same at a 2009 pre election press conference wher he gaffed about allies
    and said all govts use cbi…when his party has ruled for 90 % time
    and has made cbi abuse ajoke…

    bjp has not admitted anything..and it can dfend it self..but u and rahul have..

    on corruption all u have is yeddy evn if he returned land while ur congress looted thousnads of crores and made swiss bank # 1 in indian assets despite being poorest country..

    and only evil turds like u will defend this after admitting it..by yelling bjp..

    idiot bjp appointed kalam ..congress appointed kitchen maid with cases against her and family…

    tomorrow if sachin’s enemy gives u a chauvani..

    u will say sachin’s batting is as bad as nehra’s because both make 0s…

    even a 3 yr old has more brains…

    yeah to u a poor hungry thief is the same as the hasan ali congress…with crores of loot in swiss banks ..only difrence congress will arrest him and let swissbank loters like them go free…

    atleast get a brain transplant joker….

    ur from the smae gene as shrama….no brains no scruples and congress bribed sycophancy and treason against india…

    just check ur paternal lineage…may be it is conceived by a muslim…

    how secular..now go and dance that u were compared with rahul and u have islamic genes even if adulterous

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dimple

    I am having trouble understanding your posting.

    You are making fetish out of your love for PDA ( Public Display of Abuses ).

    Looking at your active participation on the forum, I guess you have a lot to say and you want to be heard.

    If you have a lot to say, why degrade the quality of your arguments with abuses!

    I am sure your arguments have enough potency to stand on their own without needing a crutch of abuses.

    Try same arguments again without resorting to abuses. I am sure you will be the most sought after participant on the forum.

    The beginning would be tentative – like a tom boy trying to act coy on her wedding.

    But the effort nevertheless would be rewarding.

    Just give a try.

    dimple Reply:

    prabhat..of course u will have trouble understanding…i cannot reply to u again and again…i have given u logic and analysis..

    but i am not a surgeon who can do a brain transplant in u..

    and yes since u r congressi traitor…u lso need a conscience transplant…

    failing which u wuld need to be transplanted in pakistan…

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Dimple

    A good beginning.

    I see some moderation in your posting. The abuse-pollution has certainly fallen !

    Who says we can not change ?

    If you keep making effort, even the residuals too would go away.

    I am looking forward to very hard-hitting but clean postings from you.

    So long.

    maya Reply:

    parliament attack happened around 2001…

    SC decided years later

    nda left office in first part of 2004…

    congress is ruling for 7 years and has not hanged afzal yet..

    no wonder someone called u not only an idiot but a traitor..

    now go and join digvijay in hanging innocent hindus to get votes of the votebank that loves to see innocent hindus targeted like rss for 26-11

    as long as brother muslim kasab is not hanged by kafirs..or else he will not go to heaven
    and enjoy according their beliefs

    Prabhat Reply:

    @maya/dimple

    I asked you a very simple question before – “how many convicts were hung during NDA’a 6 years tenure ?”

    Had Advanji recommended/executed one hanging every Friday, Afzal Guru’s time would have come long before. Just after 26 weeks !!!

    If I were Advani, I would have said ” In my whole life time as a Minister, I have never pushed/executed an hanging !”

    Since he did not rush and let the law take its course, even after he left office, the law is taking its own course.

    One does not do encounter-shooting of people who are declared “to be hung till till death” by court.

    A small and simple advice –

    Please take a “professional advice” on this issue from Arun Jaitley. Please give him 25 lakhs as his his “professional fee” and seek his “real legal opinion” on the matter. If you don’t pay his legal fee, he would give rhetorical statement, not real professional legal opinion. Trust his legal brain. Pay his fee and ask for his legal opinion on this case.

    After that, you can come back here and submit your opinion ( as advised by Mr Jaitley ) on Afzal Guru’s case.

    jimmy Reply:

    prabhat u r truly deserving of a specila medal totribute ur very special attribute..

    law will take its own course logic is used to never hang or punish people …

    no country waits for 7 years to hang a convict of terror after going thru all courts…

    u r truly worthy of aguiness mention for being one of the most stupid creatures ever produced…

    conratulations..even animals have more brains…

    and the topic was about afzal ….which is congress votebank motive…

    compare with indira gandhis killer and gandhi’s killer..

    Prabhat Reply:

    @jjimmy

    When you are introduced as a person from one of the largest democracy, I am sure your chest swells with pride.

    And you have every reason to feel that way.

    Governments have come and gone. The most powerful political personalities have been made to lick the dust though constitutionally empowered elections in this country.

    The Power has been transferred from one hand to another with amazingly smoothness.

    Nether you nor I have lost faith in the great democratic power of this country.

    USA could not have “rushed” hanging of Saddam in USA like it did in Iraq.

    26/9 accused is still waiting. Though convicted, still he has to go through the whole process as per the USA law.

    Here in India too, all convicts waiting for hanging would have to go through a process as defined by the constitution of India.

    There are 26 persons waiting before Afzal Guru. He is the 27th.

    Infact, you can file an PIL on this through Supreme Court and direct the Government to bypass all constitutional norms and hang Guru next Friday. I am sure there are enough patriotic lawyers out there who will help you without charging fee for this.

    Dial : Jaitley.

    Prabhat Reply:

    correction -

    11/9 accused is still waiting. Though convicted, still he has to go through the whole process as per the USA law.

    deepak Reply:

    no prabhat…i am not an idiot like u to swell with pride…

    idiot largest is because of population…and population is the cause of all problems

    even roaches breed in millions..

    it is the quality not quantity..

    we dont win olympic medals as samller countries do

    the west has much lesser population but it is we who line up for their visas..

    and this is no democracy idiot,,,congress had a monopoly for 60 yrs and has a
    captive religion based votebank of 20 %
    who know a theocratic religion not democracy as shown by the countries that belive in it

    i hope u r an old person…better for india

  • dimple

    see mishra’s ,pankajs and chacha’s pauta’s and chamcha’s friends dancing together…
    with shrama and media mafia secretly applauding…..but hiding the news

    http://deshgujarat.com/2011/04/22/too-junior-ips-sanjeev-bhatt-was-not-present-at-all-in-that-meeting/

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  • dimple

    so now u know who did 26-11 as above…

    cmon doctor pronounce rss guilty like u did modi

    usa is mad for charging pakistanis

    pankaj will crack another joke doctor
    and play waht’s the good word with his fellow abuse cop shenoy..

    it is u abuse lecturing guys who disgustingly abuse the feelings of 26-11victim’s families..

    shame on u…u r not even ek paise chap..u dont even practice what u preach

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dimple;
    You are quite age and gender sensitive. I have a soft corner for females with name dimple as she is a family friend and we like her a lot.
    If use of words like ars.. is Ok for you in a public/ private forum, let me assure you that I have a much richer repertoire of abuses than your moffusil town champion.
    It looks that you have not ventured out of your mohalla, town or province. world is much bigger and powerful than what you think. For me, every body killed in Gujrat was indian/ human being and it is unfortunate that ISI plan succeeded. In the words of musharraf, they were colaterals, for me they were human beings. Just put your self in that situation. We are, with fellow bloggers, are not against Modi, in fact we like him, viv a vis, present congress sham leadership, but that does not mean that we start using four letter words in a public/ private forum.

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  • dimple

    ha ha pankaj now showing his real idiotic hypocritical self…

    first he loses sleep about abuse as defined by him but has no problem
    with children working 15 hours in his fairy tale chahcha’s india..which he belived for
    for 60 years because of congress fooling dimwits like him….

    he doesnt mind abusing children and 26-11 victims…by his posts…

    he does not follow his own rules that he makes for others..

    he shows his duplicity by not following his own rules and getting angry and abusing others when he gets touchy at shalu’s post…

    these 60 yr nitwits have left us a bad india ..they did not have the sense
    to fight the congres and allowed india to become poorest with most poor and # 1 in swissbank loot..

    these 60 yr olds did not fight for an equal partition..and created a votebank for congress
    which votes on religion…and congress wins again and again…

    we young generation spit on elderly hypocrtical gullible nitwits like u…

    u r responsible for the state of india today….# 1 in corruption loot in swissbanks, despite being poorest country with half population under poverty line….and # 1 in terro victims with no justice..

    while u crack jokes here…

    60 yr olds are either like media mafia who hide and lie posing as journos…or gullible nitwits
    like u whose biggest issue is abuse which u violate calling women chavani chap…when u were born from less than 1 paise chap –and when a 60 YR OLD modi is working hard to feed peole and check loot like modi ,..u allow this blogger to get away ..and ur frend mishra has convicted him
    without proof and sends his kisses sarhad par to our enemy nation…which kills our people…

    to u calling a patriot a mass murderrer is okay…this is ur no abuse rule

    ur frend
    ewho lie about modi

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  • dimple

    yeah u think everyone is indian…..but muslims think
    u reither amuslim or kafir thanks to their brainwashing from birth

    that is why godhra train was burnt and it is these so called indians who started the riots…

    and ur doctor friend will convict modi while this blogger frend
    will hide the cause because he does not deem it fit to report the cause because he wants to hide
    truth and screams 24-7 against the effect…of riots as if they never happened before thanks to
    gandhi nehru’s 1947 incomplete partition

    he will call chacha great for all those bhatijas killed in riots from 1947 in india..

    see how they r producing fake affidavits to convict modi just like the fake bhushan tape..

    blogger thought it was deem fit to produce tape but not deem fit to give source

    deem fit to scream post godra but not train cause…

    deem fit to convict modi but not deem fit to report teesta’s perjury..

    deem fit to be nmc meber but not deem fit to report the gross abuse of duty and criminal
    fixing to favor sajjan kumar…

    but criminally abuse duties of taking action as nmc chair or reporting it as a self
    claimed professional integrity journo…

    only congress ruled india can get this ridiculous and criminal and fraudulent
    wher journos r not watchdogs of govt in power but shameless lapdogs
    deem fit to jump on ankit about who is chair

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  • dimple

    u dont get it…pankaj…all i am saying is u r not following ur own rule..hypocrite..

    chavanii chap is abuse and that too for someone whose post riled u personally..

    i am not gender sensitive….

    go ahead abuse teesta and sonia for what they have and r doing to this country…

    i want indians to express anger at the right people…i will clap..

    today someone threw a slipper at kalmadi..like they did at chidu for sikh riots…

    all sensible peole and many applauded this action and called him a hero…

    but nitwits like u will call expression of helpless frustration and desire for justice as abuse..

    take some analysis and logic classes instead of playing what’s the good wor here..
    and cracking jokes…and making light of major issues

    which r criminal against this country…

    yeah ars is a a bad word to lose sleep over but chavanni chap is not…

    abusing and hurting feelings of poor children by calling nehru chahcha is not abuse
    forgetting 26-11 victims
    is the worst form of abuse against them…

    and i am not the one who is an abuse cop
    u r..except ur level is personall and petty…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Dimple;
    Thanks for devoting 3 or 4 quick posts on me. It shows that I am not being ignored. Believe me, being ignored is the worst punishment one civil person can give to another. Other insults, I am leaving for hot heads like you.
    First of all, do not lie. If you care to go back to few previous blogs and read my posts, you will realise, what I post and where I stand on the dividing line of opinion. I never called Shalu chavanni Chhap, I only called her language Chavanni Chhap. There is a big difference between two. You say, I am responsible for multitude of child labors, India has. How come? My only request for keeping this blog clean of dirty language is what has offended you most, if that is my guilt, pronounce me guilty. I realize your anger, but to lose temper is easy and to hold on to temper is real difficult. I hope you will not go for easy job. Your actions should speak, not words. Words come cheap, Walk the Talk. Dereliction of duty by GOI has brought civil society and judiciary in the space, where they, themselves could not dream of, few decades back. That is the punishment, this government is having for all the follies, it has done. You do not want to start a civil war, or you do? This is my last reply to you, henceforth, I will ignore you.

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    Manohar Reply:

    @Pankaj#1

    You concluded – This is my last reply to you, henceforth, I will ignore you.

    That is the only way to deal with Dimple (or whoever is behind that name) and her types.

    One does not have to be a rocket scientist to know the reason for her fury and the resultant tirade. It is all there in incoherent sentences.

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    maya Reply:

    manohar are u not the same guy
    who was taken apart for saying modi praises himself when it was anna who praised him

    i remember someone pointed out that rahul had praised himself about fighting corruption…

    and u had no answer….dimwit that u r u did not realize the falsehood also in rahul’s claims
    with swisssbnak loot of india being # 1 despite being poorest country due to congress shit lickers like u..

    idiot modi is honest and incorruptible and working tirelessly…unlike congress 60 yr loot which traitors like u share..

    even if modi praises himself it would be true..u nitwit…

    and dont call this abusive..every word accurately desribes u and is based on facts and logic..something u have no clue about…

    u cant even understand anna praised modi..not modi himself….

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy , Rajeev, Rajiv

    Please help me decode if MAYA and DIMPLE are same person on this forum !

    Manohar Reply:

    Maya or Dimple or whatever

    This is only to tell you that I do not respond to comments that lack etiquette and civilised discourse.

    You may carry on with your tirade till the cows come home.

  • dimple

    sharma speaks of unidimesnionaliy..

    joke of millenium….

    this is they guy who knwos only one equation

    hindus bad muslims good including secular traitor hindus like him

    bjp very very bad congress very very good

    and congress bribes very very very good..

    this evil idiot shuld look at his marks in school…

    the guy could not even become a below average journo with his 50 % cut off marks..

    instead the guy survived off congress patronage like a durbari snake

    the evil scum uses word like deem fit to hide tape source but deems it fit report the fake cd for congress propagnada…

    even though both r logically related..
    even a 5 yr old will be more honest and professional journo than this
    scumbag traitor posing as a jorno..

    the brainless traitor cannot even see the analysis and logic in nirav’s post

    because he has no brains to even know what that is…

    this scumbag has made a living by saving the dynasty tolet paper using that bull dog tongue

    he shows on tv in his expressions against bjp..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @dimple
    Too incoherent. Well meaning advice: join rapidex english speaking (writing) course. :) )

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    nirav Reply:

    Dimple,

    Leopard will not change its spots nor will Vinod or mini Vinods like prabhat,satish.
    I can only quote mohandas Gandhi
    “First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they fight you and
    then you win”

    As fas as Vinod’s rapidex english advice goes,His sentence,
    “Too incoherent. Well meaning advice: join rapidex english speaking (writing) course. )”
    has atleast 6 grammatical mistakes:)

    Thats why i had suggested Chate classes for him few blogs ago.
    Reason? Simple, because he is a licker by profession and conduct:)

    He only acts as promoting discussion but he never has any logical answer to a question.
    People like these dont have a head to think logical let alone patriotic rather they have a tail to wag to italian tunes…

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    Ohh hoooo…..here comes Mr Webster. There are many other ways of being chivalarous silly. You don’t have to deride others to shine in contrast.

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    nirav Reply:

    @Vinod,

    As usual you continue to be devoid of logic or substance.
    The only quality you possess is blind loyalty towards congress and UPA.
    A mans own folly brings him down faster than anybody else.
    You started it by suggesting english expertise so now be a sport and take it.Dont cry.

    I wish you could have had some hard facts to support you UPA then mere love and affection.
    You were shouting on top of your throat for PAC and MM joshi now i wonder what you would say:) with his findings.
    You were also part of the coterie which silently ridiculed annas movement and ran eurekaeureka (Pun intended) with bhushan cds….
    You also called Mr Teflon for MMS..A man who at best can be described as dhitrashta with 2G,CWG,CVC,Adarsh,Black money….along with the bribed,selfish and malicious foreign policy.

    I have one suggestion for Jairam ramesh
    “forget the tiger save people like vinod sharma.
    As they are soon going to be extinct and abolished by an awakened class of citizens”

    Na samjhoge to mitt jaoge Vinod, Tumhari daastan tak na hogi daastanon mein..

    get well soon..

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @nirav
    What is the logic behind you posting such comments on a blog on Kayani? If you don’t know the subject then lay off. In my view, you are a frog in the well of your narrow thinking.
    Take a walk —- a long one so that you take time returning.

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    nirav Reply:

    @vinod,

    I wonder what your comments on English speaking courses and Kitty parties or youtube videos have to do with the subject or the article either..Look inwards for a change.
    If i am a frog your are an ostrich.
    ““As the ostrich when pursued hideth his head, but forgetteth his body; so the fears of a coward expose him to danger.””
    Hence you are scared to discuss anything:)
    I can see your desperation because you lack knowledge,wisdom and any accountability as a journalist to have a logical and fact driven discussion.
    Its your prejudiced and partisan behavior which makes people drag you out and expose you.
    The day you become a neutral and honest journalist from an yellow journalist that you are, you will see the difference.
    Else,
    Its time to hang up your boots(Pun again intended)
    Mr Vinod before you have a slipper thrown at you in your beloved congress press tamashas.

    I heard Sonia just announced a job posting at ten janpath…Its for the dishwashing activities,now that pratibha patil has moved to a new address.
    You are well qualified as you already keep cleaning their dirty linen:)

    That is the only way we can call you Mr clean….LOL

    nirav Reply:

    @Vinod,

    BTW 80% of the blog replies are are sherry rehman,CIA, and other side shows…
    The reason your blog is turning into a circus is because you are scared to talk man to man on facts.
    Even a very skilled debater and articulate person like BV shenoy is forced to do peotry and sidetalks.

    Wise men look at the clouds and predict the storm…

    BTW did you check your glasses of late:)

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Nirav,

    If you want to debate an issue, you must have strong conviction about the same.

    The issue in this blog is renewing contacts with the Pakistani army to improve bilateral relations.

    Why I have not expressed an opinion eiher way is because like crores of Indians, I too don’t want our nation ridiculed, insulted and psychologically damaged once again by the ISI dominated Pak army. Therefore, I try to make interesting, if not witty comments, both inprose and poetry. Nobody has forced me to write poetically, when even without anybody asking for it, people like Dimple, Shyam and a couple of others use vile language to statetheir case. But, the main show and the side shows together make this blog interesting and worth revisiting.

    shyam Reply:

    have noticed this because I am preparing for exams to be a lawyer or MBA
    am an engineer…. and all 3 fields r based on logical analysis of facts…

    guys who cant answer or rebut with logic and facts…

    resort to diversion such as

    identity..not the contents or merits of the argument based on facts and logic…eg prabhat as if identity matters…tomorrow he will ask for a photo…

    subjectively judging abuse like manohar, prabhat ,pankaj as if abuse or not is relevant when the post also has facts and logic and abuse if any is only an expression of anger at injustice eg the guy who threw a slipper at kalmadi and chidu…

    english language because they cannot comprehend a post which most peole can by easily
    using the context and typos….but not that person..

    these guys have unjustified big egos..if they r not good at logic…then they shuld improve or keep quiet…but their egos r so big like typical hindus whose world centers on themselves unlike minorities who have a communal passion for their religion as can be seen for their hatred for bjp and even patriot modi who is a miracle undeserving of hindia and its majority community…

    take pankaj….he lectures about civil war so ignorantly…

    after 60 years partition and history of islamic conquests around the world…

    he lectures a hindu messenger posting here about civil war..ofcourse the guy will never lecture the violent community that bunt train or kicked pandits out…

    to him hindu victims r not indians …at the end of the day pankaj types r traitors and an aset to jihadis..these r the same peole who will lecture peace to ajawan who is defending indians like him and himself using the onesided abuse principle….like the peacniks
    who lecture only hindus and wake up in kargil only after india defendsafter the pakistanis attacked

    and started it…..

    i have never seen thse traitors ever say anything about godhra train or kashmir…

    they will never care to know about religous beliefs that require belivers to conquer and rule kafir land…taught from birth since 7th century and have to belived period to go to heaven…

    and then they lecture piously to victims of the holy war if they defend themselves about civil war which invariably begins from the mosques like communal riots in india since 1947 thus helping the other side…

    these guys are skilled at blindfolding and handtieing only one community….truly an asset to the jihadis…

    osama and hafuz syed will be proud of such peaceful warriors for jihad against hindus…

    ladke liya pakistan haske lenge hindustan…this is what was said in 1947…when these civil wars began because of the holy warriors with hindu traitors contributing to only islamic conquest of land in the 20th century…40 % of undivided india with the warriors left behind to finsih the task ..kashmir done..ne bengal assam r next

    aided by traitors like pankagj and the congress mafia …votebank votes play their part..

    3 cheers to the peaceful mujahadeen pankaj who does not even care to raed about the religous beliefs set in stone…

    instead he will go and silenec the guy who threw slipper at kalmadi using his no abuse principle..only angry patriotic indians applauded the guy

    because they know loot of the poor thru corruption is the biggest crime…but traitors will not find that abuse ….let alone a crime…only hindus can create such peole…

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Usman

    Sorry buddy ! Having so many times acknowledged that they would be many a decent Pakistanis like you who suffer because of the trajectory Pakistan is on, I still don’t see any solution to the India- Pakistan equation till

    a) Pakistan hands over some terrorists like Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, Dawood Ibrahim and gives proof of punishment meted out to killers of innocents in India.

    b) Changes its basic ideology from an Islamic state to that of a secular state which respects the rights of HIndus, Sikhs, Shias, Qadianis, CHristians etc.

    Till then we are destined to meet on the net. And at times Indians will adopt maximilist position as nobody out here is willing to forgive the perpetuators of 26/11 and so many other terror attacks…

    Sad but true

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    @Vijay

    How true would the claim be after Aseemanand’s confession of involvement in terror activities inside India? Won’t Abhinav Bharat suffice the claim?

    I understand the angst and animosity between us but lets gauge things on merit.

    Temporary dis-engagement might be a possibility till the time we are on some grounds to engage further. This im sure the high offices are aware of or else they are hiding something in general from the people of both sides.

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    shan Reply:

    @Usman chaudhury , this aseemanand business and how pakistanis perceive the whole matter EXPOSES THE PAKISTANI MINDSET , THAT THEY ARE IRRATIONAL PEOPLE.
    One would have thought this purohit et al, and their capture WOULD BE IRREVOCABLE PROOF THAT INDIA IS NOT ANTI ISLAM AND BY EXTENSION ANTI PAKISTAN.Let Pakistan do a similar act , but then again pakistan needs to protect christians from blasphemy laws , protect ahmediyas ,protect quadinis,and there is not much to be done to protect hindus FOR THERE AREN’T ANY LEFT.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy and Vinod Sharma,

    SUB: Gilani breast fondling video as per You Tube.
    ————————————————————

    Sir,

    You said that Gilani was actually confirming that “it was there”

    I laughed my way and fell on the floor. :D :D

    What did the poor guy expect to find… fake Indian currency??? Ya moti choor ke laddoo ?? :D

    I propose that this subject should be taken up as a Phd thesis in JNU and Harvard on he socio-economic signals sent by Gilani who was singing Jive Jive Pakistan yet his hand was roving into Sherry Rehman!

    Maybe Govind Nihalini can make an art film on the political message in this.

    Anyway I propose that from now on all females should be seated at least at two hands distance from Gilani in any international conference or whenver he is at the UN. Never know if the poor guy loses control while meeting Hillary and then suddenly drone attacks start happening all over Pakistan!!

    Then even in a country of conspiracy theories, few would ever dream of a better one ! :D :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    yeh baat sabse pehle aapne chhedee, aur Vinodji hum par naraaz huye.

    I feel like singing “Muft huye badnaam”

    But, if Gilani sees the youtube video, he may very well be singing daily,

    muft hue badanaam, kisii pe haay haat ko lagaa ke
    jiinaa huaa iljaam
    kisii pe haay haat ko lagaa ke
    muft hue badanaam

    gaye aramaan leke, luuTe luuTe aate hain
    log jahaa.N men kaise dil ko lagaate hai.n2
    dil ko lagaate hain, apanaa banaate hai.n
    ham to phire naadaan 2
    kisii pe haay haat ko lagaa ke
    muft hue badanaam

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Aaapke tukbandi on padkar mein aapko aaj sey Shenoy Qawwal ki upadhi deta hun. :) )

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Shenoy sahab ki tukbandi nahin
    Dil ki awaaz hai

    Gilani sahab ko expose karna
    waqt ka taqrar hai

    Kyonki kal Gilani Sahab, Hillary ke saath kuch undekha kar dein
    Aur phir America Pakistan par Drone tan de…

    Toh shair or qawaal
    kyon
    Qyammat ko ghar bulayain :D

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    I will humbly accept whatever ‘upaadhi’ you deem fit to bestow on me. But, honestly, did you see the aptness of the Mukesh song, ‘muft huye badnaam’ to Gilani’s badnaami?

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    There is a lot of difference between what is apt and what is appropriate. I think it wasn’t appropriate on your part to have flagged the clip on this forum. More so because Sherry
    is a very brave and bold person who needs to be regarded— not ridiculed. She writes beautiful english and was a very good journalist till she joined politics.
    As for Gilani’s badnaami, I have nothing to say. Most men like this kind of infamy. The two of us included ))

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma.

    I agree that Sherry Rehman is a bold and talented person and has stood up to take on the Taliban and blasphemy law imposers. Is’nt it so much more necessary then to expose the molesting Gilani??

    We should not allow powerful people to get away with economic and moral corruption just because they are powerful. If we go by your logic we should forgive all molesters and even Vikas Yadav, Manu Sharma and Santosh Singh, just because they are sons of powerful people and in case. When we take Santosh Singh’s name it does not mean we are insulting Priyadarshini Mattoo. We are rather exposing a person who uses socio economic power to subjugate women.

    You say “Most men like this kind of infamy. The two of us included ))” . I think you have made a typing mistake somewhere. Most men do want to be manly… but definately not molesters !

    By the way in case Renuka Choudhary or the National COuncil of Women reads this statement they would definately breathe out fire and lightening !! :D

    Last thing this government can afford is a fight between the NCM and the NCW !

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    It was not me that had the ‘clip flagged down’, but Vijay Kumar. I only ‘commented’ on Gilani’s lecherous groping in public.

    As for Sherry Rehman and her modesty, I am as sensitive to it as anybody else and you may see that I have only used a poem which has already been written and also beautifully and with feeling, sung by Mukesh.

    And Geelani deserves the strongest condemnation.

    Rajeev Reply:

    What is this obsession with Gilani groping Sherry? Have you not read how junior lady cops in maharashtra have been molested by their bosses.
    Pl. drop this hypocrisy. When it comes to groping women in public, Indians are no better than pakistanis.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shenoy Shab is right !!

    I had flagged the clip because I feel sorry for women who get tortured and molested by the powerful. We have seen in Italy, the PM Berlosconi has used his money power and political position to do the unthinkable “very very bad things to young women.”

    This has resulted in a lowering the esteem of Italy in my eyes as well as that of the world.

    Similarly I see somewhere that some of our political commentators are very deferential to Pakistanis just because of a personal equation and a fantasy for improving Indo-Pak relations. Exampli gratia : Mani Aiyar while commenting on Shah Qureshi’s insults to SM Krishana kept repeating that Shah Mehmood is a great friend of mine a very great friend and should not do this. Why the scare? :D

    But I think the truth should always be on the table.

    Gilani ke peeche kya hai
    O Gilani ke peeche kya hai

    Gilani ke peeche toh hai…
    YOU TUBE ka videoooooooooo :D

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev,

    Cmon let us have some fun yaar! This is a good way to expose the Pakistanis who keep talking morality and keep doing a Gilani ! :)

    Of course Indians may be bad. But I have yet to hear of an incident where a PM did this sort of thing in public….

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajiv,

    According to sharia, a man who thieves will have his hand cut.

    Please find out from Usman Choudhary what is the punishment for the hand that gropes a lady in public, even if the hand is that of the prime minister of Pakistan.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    :) MASTERSTOKE ! :) 6 sixes in one over ! :)

  • usman chaudhry

    Greetings Dr Mishra,

    Thank You for seeking my opinion once again.

    Unfortunately, the military establishment and political rule has been largely at bay internally on issues with India. There was change in mood by Gen Musharaf (notorious for Kargil incident and ousting Sharif from power) when himself was engaged with AB Vajpayeee and then onwards with M Singh on Kashmir issue. Till that time the Indian government too had acknowledged the reduction of infiltration on Indian Kashmir from Pakistani side. Contrary to Indian claim of series of bombings and terror activities in other parts of the country all were directly linked with Pakistan/ISI and LeT.

    Whats the element of caution and suspicion for people on this side of the fence was Swami Assemanand’s confession to owing Samjhota incident, Mecca Masjid blasts and few more even the ruling Congress confessed this. With some settlement of dust it is becoming apparent that it was an inside hand who targeted innocent civilians and nothing more but caused defame to Pakistan. Despite all the dossiers sent earlier it leaves us with the impression that 26/11 incident too might have been an inside job.

    Besides, the U turn in PM Singh’s behavior adds more twist and turns in the story nothing but grows strength in belief that may be all previous acquisitions were false. So what the talks mean — its just playing cards nothing more and increase the anger in populous at large until another such incident would happen paving way for legitimate military action in alliance against Pakistan.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    As per CIA, Samjhauta was done by LeT. The current Indian govt. is just giving pakistan an equal footing on terror issues by dragging hindus in blasts so that people like you unaware of any facts can bash India with equal vigour.
    FYI Aseemanand has already retracted his so-called confession (which was similar to Safdar Nagori’s). You should know that Malegaon and Hydrerabad (Mecca Masjid blast fame) are in India and have nothing to do with your PAKASTAN. You should come back when you have proof of Hindu outfits carrying out blasts in pakistan.
    Indian muslims are Indians not pakistanis so stop poking your nose in our internal affair.
    You are yet to apologize for killing 3 million bengalis (60% of them hindus).

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Don’t over exaggerate the substance matter too much so as it looses its value… Its not about internal matters of yours but rather false accusation attributed towards Pakistan.

    Where did you find me advocate on Indian Muslims in any of my response??

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Who are you to talk about Malegaon and Hyderabad? You are ready to believe Indian investigative agencies when they hold Aseemanand responsible for Samjhauta but reject the finding of same agencies when they point fingers towards ISI-LeT on 26/11.

    You can not selectively believe or disbelieve Indian agencies. You should not forget that Indian agencies got congession from Nagori on Samjhauta blasts as well.

    Also point out what is the exaggeration??? You want to hear what you think but world doesn’t work that way.

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Please have some comprehension lessons first..

    Exaggeration is:
    Holding me accountable for unnecessary floating ‘bombing incidents’ …. & i being an advocate of muslim community of india

    this is what in a nut shell is im saying:

    “Its not about internal matters of yours but rather false accusation attributed towards Pakistan.”

    Rajeev Reply:

    I am not personally holding you responsible for pakistani terror. I am holding you responsible for your wild imagination. There is no terror from Indian side aimed at pakistanis.

    Rajeev Reply:

    What has Maleagaon and Mecca Masjid blast have to do with Pakistan?

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Jamat ud Dawa Pakistan intend to destroy Christians & all non-Muslim States

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGNOo1vwHto

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    I’ll make sure JuD will end up in hell before doing this.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Prabhat,

    you said, @dimple

    “By the way there is shortage of hang man to execute. [ Factually correct ]

    You know somebody who would take up this job ?

    Or, may be you can apply for this job !”

    I know only one person in India, who can -give a dog a bad name and hang it kind- hang anybody without a death sentence and even without a rope and a noose. I am referring to Mani Sankat Aiyyar.
    His only condition is the person should be a Hindu, preferably a Brahmin.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    -
    @Shenoy

    I would love to know your opinion on Mani in details.

    But let’s keep that for some other time. Else we would start another side show and distract the participants from the main topic.

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    ram Reply:

    go to Mayiladuthurai in Tamil Nadu to get full details.

    ofcouse he himself not visited since 3yrs

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    whatever the SANKAT, Mani doesn’t like side shows. You can, therefore include this item in the main show itself. And believe me, once he hangs a person, the person remains hanged, not like our computers.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    -
    You mean only remedy is hard – booting ?

  • Rajiv

    You can measure the level of depraved propoganda that fills the minds of even so claiming educated Pakistanis , when people like Usman, start equating activities of extrimist groups inside India with activities of terrorist organizations like LeT , who are protected by the state , in their terrorist activities not only inside Pakistan but encouraged in terrorist activitries in other countries, particularly India. How many so called abhinav bharat terrorists have been traind by Indian government and send to Pakistan for terrorist acts ?

    Its a measure of depravity in Pakistani minds that they think Mumbai attacks on India were done by India and 9/11 attack on USA done by USA.

    Pakistan is a criminal state not because 90% of worlds accross the border terrorists come from Pakistan, its a terrorist state because its government ( civilian, army and ISI ) protects the terrorist groups like LeT, JuM and it has vicious, criminal laws like anti-blasphemy laws as part of its constitution.

    Pakistan is a criminal depraved state because at partition while 10-15% of Muslims living in India were forced to migrate or killed in riots , in Pakistan 95% of Hindus and sikhs have been expelled, killed or forced to convert with anti-human laws against minorities now part of constitution.

    Recent documents released show
    USA considers ISI a terrorist support group and its government deceitful.
    IMF cosniders ( read tribune ) Pak economic managers deceitful

    Without being rude , India and Indians should be honest when talking ( its better to avaoid any contact with such a criminally deceitful entity ) to Pakistan.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    When Pakistanis talk of Malegaon, Hyderabad etc. blast, they speak as if all that happened in pakistan.
    I have heard pakistanis saying that they need to look after Indian muslims. What kind of mindset is this? Have you ever heard an Indian saying that Indians should be looking after pakistani hindus.
    The pakistanis have a very warped world view and somehow find themselves at the center of universe.
    As far as Aseemanand’s confession is concerned, it has already been reatracted by him and in the books of US agencies, Samjhauta was done by LeT.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Well , Indian authorities arrested and are prosecuting Aseemanand and others , just as it would prosecute anyone found involved in violent activities, Hindu or Muslim. No one had to tell India to do that. Thats the strength of India not its weakness.
    In Pakistan, its the state thats protecting terrorist leaders like Hafeez of LeT, who are on government/ISI payroll and is now conducting farcical trials against the people who trained and send Kasav and 9 others to India. There is an entire terrorist industry , stretching from Talerban Haqini brothers to LeT, thats works directly under Pak government tutelage.

    Its that reason why USA refers to ISI ( under whose instructions Pak civilian govt works ) as a ‘terrorist support entity’.

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  • usman chaudhry

    ” … when people like Usman, start equating activities of extrimist groups inside India with activities of terrorist organizations like LeT …”

    I’m not absolving LeT for its anti-India mindset and neither I’m equating the activities of extremist elements with LeT; it was because of authorities on your side who made that surface until swami’s confession came along.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Indian a uthorities arrested and are prosecuting Aseemanand and others , just as it would prosecute anyone found involved in violent activities, Hindu or Muslim. No one had to tell India to do that. Thats the strength of India not its weakness.

    In Pakistan, its the state thats protecting terrorist leaders like Hafeez of LeT, who are on government/ISI payroll and is now conducting farcical trials against the people who trained and send Kasav and 9 others to India. There is a mountain of evidense tieing David Headley to Major Iqbal of ISI/Aermy and LeT terrorist Hafeez. Just yesterday, in US courts 4 more Pakistanis were charged for the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. There is an entire terrorist industry , stretching from Talerban Haqini brothers to LeT, thats works directly under Pak government/ISI tutelage.

    Its that reason why USA refers to ISI ( under whose instructions Pak civilian govt works ) as a ‘terrorist support group’.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    I appreciate every effort being made in this direction. Equally, if cooperation is being displayed in inviting Indian team in Pakistan for interrogating Hafiz Saeed and likewise a team from our side to India. Still its a big claim from me but “No leniency should be displayed by Pakistan” and full cooperation should be provided at any length.

    As for USA labeling there are hundreds of cases that have surfaced one such case that caught global attention was Raymond Davis. The CIA operative disguised as diplomat was known to be tainted spy who had satellite gadgetry to communicate with miscreants in tribal areas and across Atlantic. So underlying is the duplicity of all intelligence agencies. Very surprising is your inclination and advocacy to USA who believed that invasion in Iraq was intelligence failure.

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    shyam Reply:

    dont be proud of indian authorities prosecuting aseemananda…

    they also r going after modi and amit shah and sadhvi…

    unless u give me proof…i will belive that congress agencies r doing this for vote ban

    the govt changed an affidavit to favor ishrat whom let called their meber…

    aseemanda siad his confession was under pressure..media mafia hid it

    but they were lieing he confessed and made saffron terror a universal fact..

    hindus try to be too moral even if falsely when this country is beiing looted and ruled
    for centuries and 40 % land given to islam..

    cowardice under pressure fear is understnadable..

    but self sponsored ignorance and lack of memory for facts is inexcusable..

    and these r the so called educated hindus….

    only hindus go for this morality hypocricy…
    and that too without proof..

    soem idiots keep moralizing about modi because of media stories

    idiots because of u the whole community and country suffers…

    hindus r being asked whther they rterrorists at airports thanks to media mafia…

    karkare was exchanging calls with digvijay without any relationship

    just before 26-11 to charge hindus like sadhvi as elections were nearing

    and dimple has shown that rss was responible for 26-11 according to congress and mafia

    do hindus have to be lazy thinkers and fools too..

    god save india from this species hindus…

    no wonder a miracle called modi is having such a hard time in this country
    filled with cowards and traitors and confused hypocrites…

    and even the insightful rajeev writes about cd as if that is the only plot in last few weeks

    history has been around for 60 yrs of congress games with its media

    and even rajeev is just waking up aand discovering the sun

    wow what a majority community…

    if my name was haneef i would become ahreo despite terrorist frends…

    but hindus dieing in australia are no graham staines for media mafia..

    because hindus deserve that only…

    i recommend change ur religion if u want ur life to be valued in congress india and media mafia

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Usman

    The whole world was excited about the confessions of Swami Assemanand. But look, he has now retracted from his confession and says that was done under duress.These judicial processes are very long and complicated. When Swami has turned hostile, it becomes a difficult situation for the prosecuting authorities and the media who went euphoric with his confessions. May I say, the prosecuting people were too eager to leak his confessions to the media.
    Good day
    BNA

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Dr Anand,

    Glad that you stepped in. I understand the complications and legal process that take its own course and due time for final verdict to appear. Nevertheless, it has its own complexity and the response within this side had us raised our eye brows.

    p.s: Waited long for your response on Hinglaj Temple celebrations but you never showed up. Somewhere im unable to locate the link now. Hope you might have read my reply to your comment.

    Cheers,
    Usman

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Usman Saheb

    Yes, I had commented very briefly about the photo coverage of Hinglaj Hindu Temple in Media Gallery of the Dawn newspaper. It was quite an impressive coverage and the photographs were breathtakingly beautiful. I had mentioned that wish it could be true indication of some secular nature of coverage in Dawn. In any case, that newspaper appears to be quite liberal and hopefully represents a section of population in your country.
    I shall try to look for your comments if I can find the linkage. In any case, thanks for responding.
    BNA

  • http://- Rajeev

    This blog by Vinod is just a diversionary tactics so that we forget Vinod’s hand in Amar Singh’s CD episode. After TWO raps from Sonia, I was expecting congressman Digvijay Singh to shut up but after seeing both Amar Singh and Vinod Sharma shut up, I am 100% certain that Amar and Vinod did the CD drama on behalf of Congress. Both are going to be rewarded by Congress high command in due course of time.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    I am where I stood on the 16th of April— the day HT ran the story. Other stuff in your comments is dismissed with ridicule.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    So why did you not follow up your CD kahani in this blog?
    Where is the name of the lab you have been clinging on?

    You have become part of congress dirty tricks department. This is the shame that you are bound to carry in your blot-ridden journalistic career.

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  • Saarthak

    Dear Mr Sharma, Vijay Kumar, BV Shenoy, Rajiv, Rajeev and others on this blog…please watch this talk by Parnab Mukherjee (not the politician) ..one of India’s most famous college quiz-masters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLJVoIVohVU

    Also, don’t miss the expression on Mani Shankar Aiyar’s face in the audience. I have a feeling the cameraman was deliberately panning to him :p

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  • Rajiv

    ————————————————————————————————–
    ABCD of Pak terrorists of 26/11 and Pak’s farcical trials
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    Reproduced from Outlook India based on court documents filed by US investigating agencies.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?271566

    In an indictment filed before a Chicago court on April 25, 2011, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has for the first time revealed the identities of four of the ringleaders of the Pakistan-based conspiracy for the planning and execution of the 26/11 terrorist strikes of 2008 in Mumbai. In previous court documents including the indictments against David Coleman Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana of the Chicago cell of the LET and the plea bargain statement of Headley, these four individuals had throughout been described as follows:

    “Lashkar Member A” was a resident of Pakistan “associated with the LET who supervised others associated with the LET and served as a “handler” for Headley and others.”
    “Lashkar Member B” was a resident of Pakistan “associated with the LET who trained others in combat techniques for use in terrorist attacks.”
    “Lashkar Member C” was a resident of Pakistan and “one of the LET commanders.”
    “Lashkar Member D” was a resident of Pakistan and “one of Lashkar’s commanders.”
    “During the course of the attacks in Mumbai, the attackers were in telephonic contact with Lashkar Members A, B and C, all of whom were then located in Pakistan. More specifically, during the course of the attacks, the attackers were advised to, among other actions, kill hostages and throw grenades. Lashkar Member A also sought to arrange the release of a hostage in exchange for the release of a captured attacker.” ( My comments: Kasab)
    The previous court documents did not give their identifying particulars. The latest indictment of April 25, 2011, enables one to identify them as follows:

    Lashkar Member A: Sajjid Mir also known as ‘Wasi,’ ‘Ibrahim,’ and ‘Sajid Majeed’ .
    Lashkar Member B: Abu Qahafa.
    Lashkar Member C : Mazhar Iqbal.
    Lashkar Member D :Major Iqbal

    Connecting these names with the earlier narrative in the court documents, the following reconstruction is possible:

    Between late 2005, and till his arrest on October 3, 2009, Headley conspired with Sajjid Mir, Abu Qahafa, Mazhar Iqbal and Major Iqbal and “others known and unknown to the grand jury, to deliver, place, discharge and detonate explosives and other lethal devices in, into and against places of public use, state and government facilities, public transportation systems, and infrastructure facilities in India, with the intent to cause death and serious bodily injury, and with the intent to cause extensive destruction of such places and facilities and where such destruction would likely result in major economic loss.”

    Around late 2005, Sajjid Mir, Abu Qahafa and Major Iqbal told Headley that he should travel to India to carry out surveillance of potential targets for attack by the LET, and that he should take steps to conceal his association with Pakistan and his Muslim religion during his travels in India.

    In February 2006, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Headley changed his original name of “Daood Gilani” to “David Coleman Headley” in order to facilitate his activities on behalf of the LET by enabling him to present himself in India as an American who was neither Muslim nor Pakistani.

    In the spring of 2006, Sajjid Mir and Major Iqbal discussed with Headley the idea that he could open an immigration office in Mumbai, as a cover for his surveillance activities in India.

    In June 2006, Headley travelled to Chicago, advised Tahawwur Hussain Rana of his assignment to perform surveillance for potential targets in India, and obtained Rana’s approval for opening a First World office in Mumbai, as cover for these activities. Rana directed an individual associated with First World to prepare documents to support Headley’s cover story. Rana also advised Headley on how to obtain a visa for travel to India. In applying for his visa for travel to India, Headley misrepresented his birth name, father’s true name, and the purpose for his travel.

    In July 2006, Person A provided to Headley approximately $25,000 to, among other purposes, establish and operate the Mumbai office of First World and pay for living expenses while he carried out his assignments for the LET in India.

    In September 2006, February 2007, September 2007, April 2008, and July 2008, Headley travelled to Mumbai for extended periods for conducting surveillance of possible targets of attacks by the LET, using his association with First World as cover for his travels. Prior to Headley’s departure for each of these trips, Sajjid Mir, Person A and others, instructed Headley regarding locations where he was to conduct video surveillance in and around Mumbai, as well as other locations in India. After each trip, Headley travelled to Pakistan, where he met with Sajjid Mir, Person A and persons associated with the LET to report on the results of his surveillance, and provided Sajjid Mir and Person A with photographs and videos from the surveillance.

    Prior to Headley’s surveillance activities in India starting in September 2006, Sajjid Mir and Person A instructed him to get settled in India, including by opening the business and obtaining an apartment, and to take photographs and make videos of various locations of public significance in India, including but not limited to, the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai.

    In November 2006, Headley opened the Mumbai office of First World for the purpose of providing cover for his travel and activities in India on behalf of the LET.

    In September 2006, Headley conducted surveillance on behalf of the LET, including taking pictures and making videotapes, of various targets in India, including but not limited to, the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai

    Following these initial surveillance activities, Headley travelled to Pakistan, where he met with Sajjid Mir and Abu Qahafa and Person A and provided them with accounts of his surveillance. Headley provided photographs and videos taken during the surveillance to Sajjid Mir and Person A.

    Prior to Headley’s surveillance activities in India starting in February 2007, Sajjid Mir and Person A separately instructed him to conduct surveillance of the second floor of the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai, specifically including the conference rooms and ballrooms.

    In February 2007, Headley conducted surveillance on behalf of the LET, including taking pictures and making videotapes, of various targets in India, including but not limited to the Taj Mahal hotel (where he made detailed videos of the second floor conference rooms and ballrooms), and the Oberoi hotel, both in Mumbai.

    Following these surveillance activities, Headley travelled to Pakistan, where he met with Sajjid Mir, Abu Qahafa, Major Iqbal and Person A, and provided them with accounts of his surveillance. Headley provided photographs and videos taken during the surveillance to Sajjid Mir and Person A.

    Prior to Headley’s surveillance activities in India starting in September 2007, Sajjid Mir and Person A separately instructed him to conduct further surveillance of the second floor of the Taj Mahal hotel, specifically including the conference rooms, and to obtain schedules of future conferences at the hotel.

    In September 2007, Headley conducted surveillance, including taking pictures and making videotapes, of various targets in India, including but not limited to the Taj Mahal hotel. In addition, Headley attempted to obtain a schedule of conferences to be held at the Taj Mahal hotel.

    Following these surveillance activities, Headley travelled to Pakistan, where he met with Sajjid Mir and Person A, and provided them with accounts of his surveillance. Headley provided photographs and videos taken during the surveillance to Sajjid Mir and Person A. During one of Headley’s meetings with persons associated with Lashkar, Sajjid Mir displayed to Headley a styrofoam mockup of the Taj Mahal hotel. During a meeting with Person A, Headley was provided with approximately $2,000 worth of Indian currency for expenses in connection with Headley’s activities in India.

    In March 2008, Headley met with Sajjid Mir and Abu Qahafa and other persons associated with Lashkar, and discussed potential landing sites for a team of attackers who would arrive in Mumbai by sea. In March 2008, Sajjid Mir and other persons associated with the LET instructed Headley to take boat trips in and around the Mumbai harbour and to take surveillance video of various locations. Sajjid Mir also provided Headley with approximately $1000 worth of Indian currency to use for his expenses in Mumbai.

    In March or April 2008, Sajjid Mir and Abu Qahafa provided Headley with a global positioning system (GPS) device. They showed Headley how to enter locations into the GPS device and instructed him to use it to record the locations of possible landing sites.

    In April 2008, Headley conducted surveillance of the Mumbai harbour and surrounding areas, using the GPS device and making videotapes. Headley also conducted surveillance of, among other locations, the Chhatarapati Shivaji Terminus train station, using the GPS device and making videotapes.

    Following these surveillance activities, Headley travelled to Pakistan, where he met separately with Sajjid Mir and Person A, and provided them with accounts of his surveillance, as well as with his recommendations as to which landing sites the attackers should use. Headley provided photographs and videos taken during the surveillance to these same persons, and the GPS device to Sajjid Mir.

    Prior to Headley’s surveillance activities in India starting in or about July 2008, Sajjid Mir instructed Headley to conduct further surveillance of various locations in Mumbai using the GPS device, which was returned to Headley. Sajjid Mir and Abu Qahafa discussed with Headley the need to do further surveillance of the Taj Mahal hotel and landing points for the attackers, including videotaping the route from a police station to the Taj Mahal hotel. Both Sajjid Mir and Person A separately instructed Headley to conduct videotape surveillance of the Chabad House, a Jewish community center located in Mumbai.

    In June 2008, Person A provided to Headley additional funds of approximately $1,500 worth of Indian currency to keep open the First World office in Mumbai, but approved closing that office in the future and opening a new business in Delhi, to be used as cover for future activities by Headley.

    In July 2008, Headley conducted surveillance, including taking pictures and making videotapes, of various targets, including but not limited to, the Taj Mahal hotel, the Chabad House, the Chhatarapati Shivaji Terminus train station, the Leopold Café and various landing sites, and entered various locations into the GPS device.

    While Headley was in India for conducting surveillance starting in July 2008, Person A communicated with Headley by passing messages to Headley through Tahawwur Hussain Rana.

    Following his July 2008 surveillance activities in India, Headley traveled to Pakistan, met at times with Sajjid Mir, Abu Qahafa and Person A, and provided them with accounts of his surveillance. Headley provided photographs and videos taken during the surveillance to Sajjid Mir and Person A, and the GPS device to Sajjid Mir.

    In July and August 2008, Abu Qahafa and others were training a number of young men in Pakistan in various skills and tactics to be used in carrying out terrorist attacks in Mumbai, including combat tactics, room entry, hostage rescue, nautical training and swimming.

    During the course of the attacks in Mumbai, the attackers were in telephonic contact with Sajjid Mir, Abu Qahafa and Mazhar Iqbal , all of whom were then located in Pakistan. More specifically, during the course of the attacks, the attackers were advised to, among other actions, kill hostages and throw grenades. Sajjid Mir also sought to arrange the release of a hostage in exchange for the release of a captured attacker.

    Following the November 2008 attacks, Person A advised Headley to avoid contact with him until further notice and to remove any incriminating materials from his home in Pakistan.

    In June 2008, Al Qaeda, through As Sahab Media, took credit for an attack on the Danish Embassy in Islamabad and called for further attacks against Danish interests to avenge the publication (and re-publication) of the cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed.

    In August 2008, Al Qaeda released a video (“the al Qaeda video”) through As Sahab Media calling for further attacks in retaliation for the publication of the cartoons. Mustafa Abu al Yazid of Al Qaeda, among others, appeared on the video.

    Ilyas Kashmiri was an influential leader of HUJI. Beginning in 2007, Kashmiri based his operations in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan. Kashmiri was in regular contact with Al Qaeda and in particular with Mustafa Abu al Yazid, a/k/a “Sheik Said al Masri.”

    Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed was a resident of Pakistan and former member of the Pakistani military who was associated with Ilyas Kashmiri and Sajjid Mir.

    Between October 2008, and October 3, 2009, Ilyas Kashmiri, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, and David Coleman Headley, conspired with each other, and others known and unknown to the grand jury, to commit acts outside the United States that would constitute the offenses of murder and maiming if committed in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, namely, murder and maiming in connection with an attack to be carried out against the facilities of Jyllands-Posten, located in Denmark, and at least two of its employees.

    In October 2008, Sajjid Mir and Headley met in Pakistan and discussed the prospect of an attack on the Jyllands-Posten newspaper, which would be preceded by extensive surveillance work to be performed by Headley. Headley recorded and saved notes reflecting the attack plan he discussed with Sajjid Mir.

    In October 2008, Sajjid Mir provided defendant Headley with a thumb drive containing information about Denmark, the city of Copenhagen and the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

    In late December 2008 and early January 2009, after reviewing with Tahawwur Hussain Rana how Headley had performed the surveillance of the targets attacked in Mumbai in November 2008, Headley advised Rana of the planned attack on the Jyllands-Posten and his intended travel to Denmark for the purpose of performing surveillance of the Jyllands-Posten facilities. Headley obtained Rana’s approval and assistance to identify Headley as a representative of First World, to falsely represent that First World was planning to open an office in Copenhagen, and to gain entry to the Jyllands-Posten’s offices by falsely expressing interest in placing an advertisement for First World in the newspaper. Before leaving Chicago, Headley and Rana caused to be made business cards that identified Headley as a representative of the Immigrant Law Center.

    In late December 2008 and early January 2009, Headley, while in Chicago, sent emails to, and received emails from Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed in order to continue planning for the attack and coordinate Headley’s travel to Denmark to conduct surveillance.

    In January 2009, Headley traveled from Chicago to Copenhagen to conduct surveillance of the Jyllands Posten newspaper offices in the cities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark.

    On January 20, 2009, Headley obtained entry to the Jyllands Posten newspaper office in Copenhagen on the pretext that he was seeking to place an ad on behalf of First World in the newspaper. Headley also scouted and videotaped the surrounding areas.

    On January 23, 2009, Headley obtained entry to the Jyllands Posten newspaper office in Aarhus, on the pretext that he was seeking to place an ad on behalf of First World in the newspaper. Headley also scouted the surrounding areas.

    On January 29, 2009, Tahawwur Hussain Rana, posing as Headley, sent an email to the Jyllands Posten newspaper pretending to be interested in placing an advertisement in the newspaper on behalf of First World.

    In late January 2009, Headley travelled to Pakistan and met separately with Sajjid Mir and defendant Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed concerning the planned attack on the newspaper and provided each with videotapes of his Copenhagen surveillances. Subsequently, in March 2009, Sajjid Mir advised Headley that Lashkar put the attack on the newspaper on hold due to pressure on Lashkar resulting from the November 2008 Mumbai attacks.

    In January 2009, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed provided the Al Qaeda video to Headley in Pakistan.

    In February 2009, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed took Headley to meet Ilyas Kashmiri in the Waziristan region of Pakistan. During the meeting, Kashmiri indicated that he had already reviewed the Copenhagen videotapes made by Headley and suggested that they consider using a truck bomb in the operation. Kashmiri also indicated that he could provide manpower for the operation and that the participation of LET was not necessary.

    In or about May 2009, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed and Headley went again to meet Kashmiri in Waziristan. During this meeting, Kashmiri advised that he had met with a European contact who could provide Headley with money, weapons and manpower for the attack on the newspaper. Kashmiri directed Headley to meet with Kashmiri’s European contacts.

    In July 2009, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed was arrested by Pakistani authorities. Headley contacted associates in Pakistan in an effort to learn whether he would be able to continue working with Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed.

    In July 2009, Headley, from Chicago, sent a messenger to meet with Kashmiri in Waziristan to advise Kashmiri of the arrest of bdur Rehman Hashim Syed and his unsuccessful efforts to contact Kashmiri’s European contacts. Kashmiri sent back word that the planned operation in Denmark should continue and that Headley should continue to attempt to contact Kashmiri’s European contacts at the telephone numbers already provided.

    In late July and early August 2009, Headley travelled from Chicago to various places in Europe, including Copenhagen to conduct additional surveillance of the Jyllands-Posten newspaper office and the surrounding area. Headley made approximately 13 additional surveillance videos. During the trip, Headley also attempted to obtain assistance from Kashmiri’s European contacts.

    In July 2009, Headley provided the al Qaeda video to Rana in Chicago.

    On August 5, 2009, Headley returned to the United States, falsely advising a Customs and Border Patrol inspector at the airport in Atlanta that he had visited Europe for business reasons related to First World.

    On August 22, 2009, Headley, from Chicago spoke with Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed (who had been released from custody) in Pakistan concerning, among other things, the efforts by Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed to contact Kashmiri, and the plans for the operation in Denmark.

    In September 2009, Headley sought to pass a message through Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed to Kashmiri concerning suggestions from Headley about changes to the plan for the attack on the Jyllands-Posten in Copenhagen.

    In September 2009, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, from Pakistan, communicated with Headley, in Chicago by telephone and email concerning reports that Kashmiri had been killed in a drone attack and the implications of Kashmiri’s possible death for the plan for the attack on the Jyllands-Posten in Copenhagen.

    In September 2009, Headley and Rana spoke concerning reports that Kashmiri had been killed in a drone attack and the implications of Kashmiri’s possible death for the plan for the attack on the Jyllands-Posten in Copenhagen.

    In late September 2009, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, from Pakistan, communicated with Headley in Chicago by telephone and email to report that Kashmiri had not been killed and that Kashmiri was anxious to move forward with the plan for the attack on the Jyllands-Posten in Copenhagen.

    In the late summer of 2009, Rana and Headley agreed that funds that had been provided to Rana could be used to fund the plot to attack the Jyllands-Posten newspaper in Copenhagen.

    On October 3, 2009, Headley travelled to O’Hare Airport in Chicago, Illinois, intending to ultimately travel to Pakistan in order to meet with Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed and Kashmiri, and to deliver to them approximately 13 surveillance videos. He was arrested before he could leave.

    From the above reconstruction, it is apparent that the real masterminds of the 26/11 terrorist strikes were Sajjid Mir, an individual identified in the FBI documents merely as Person A, whose real identity is not yet clear and one Major (retd) Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed alias Pasha. According to the second report against Rana filed by the FBI in the court last year, he was in India in the third week of November, 2008. He flew from Mumbai to Dubai on a flight of the Emirates Airlines on November 21, 2008. He flew from Dubai to China by the same Airlines on November, 24, 2008, and from there returned to Chicago via Seoul on November 26, 2008, by the Asiana Airlines.

    There is no reason to believe that Headley was in India during this period. The last of his five pre-26/11 visits to India was in July, 2008. It is not clear when did Rana arrive in India in November, 2008, which places he visited and whom he met. It is also not clear which city he visited in China, what was the purpose of his visit to China and why his visit to China was so short.

    Rana admitted to the FBI that during his visit to Dubai from November 21 to 24, 2008, he met Maj. (retd) Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed alias Pasha who was in touch with Ilyas Kashmiri on behalf of Headley and that he came to know from Pasha about the impending terrorist attacks by the LET in Mumbai. Rana sought to convey an impression that his visit (or visits?) to India had nothing to do with the 26/11 attacks and that he came to know of the planned attacks only from Pasha in Dubai a few days before the attacks.

    At the same time, it is clear from the papers filed by the FBI in the court that Rana personally knew both the handling officers of Headley in Pakistan— Maj (retd) Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed alias Pasha of the 313 Brigade and an unidentified office-bearer of the LET (now identified as Sajjid Mir).The Pakistani media had reported in 2009 that Sajjid Mir was briefly detained in connection with the investigation of the 26/11 terrorist strikes and that he was released due to lack of evidence. The FBI documents filed in a Chicago court last year spoke of the arrest of Pasha for a brief while. Are Sajjid Mir and Major Pasha one and the same person? But Rana speaks of them as different persons.

    Who is Person A not identified by the FBI documents so far? Was it Pasha?

    The details of the reconstruction available so far would indicate that the Pakistani authorities have not made efforts to identify and arrest the real masterminds and that there has been no pressure on them from the US to do so. The four persons indicted on April 25 have not been arrested in Pakistan so far and would most probably be tried in absentia along with Rana. Their names figure in a supplementary charge sheet to the main charge sheet against Rana. Neither Rana nor any of these four persons, absconding in Pakistan, have been given the benefit of a plea bargain by the FBI, whereas Headley has received the benefit. Why so?

    Rana has been cited as a co-accused in respect of two charges “Conspiracy to Provide Material Support to Terrorism in India” and the planned attack in Denmark. In respect of the planned Denmark attack, Ilyas Kashmiri and Major Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed alias Pasha are also co-accused (in absentia). The four indicted on April 25 will be co-accused along with Rana in respect of the 26/11 strikes.

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    B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai, and Associate of the Chennai Centre For China Studies

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  • tajender

    rajiv all above u mentioned were primarily working for cia and mi16.through they were also working for isi.raw agents are working in pakistan in same manner.
    isreal based col.purohit was doing havoc of bomb planting in india likw raymond davis in pakistan.

    jahan howe santan ka waar
    hua wahan ka bhantadhar.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Fake Pakistani with fake name Tajendar.

    Why are you ashamed of disclosing your real name and Pakistani identity?

    Go blow yourself as a suicide bomber at the ISI headquarters and do something good. Then you will achive jannat. :D :D

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  • tajender

    rajiv al qaeda assasin and guantamo prisoner is leading war against qaddafin iin libya..

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @tajender
    assuming Indian name doesn’t make you Indian. We need good Pakistanis on this forum and not propogandist, isi-sympathizers.

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  • shan
  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    congress is going on shopping spree to unseat Murali Manohar Joshi frm PAC

    anybody has the rate of horses

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Usman

    WHat is heartbreaking to most Indians is the fact that most Pakistanis are not willing to acknowledge that Pakistan is behind most terror attacks like 26/11 in India.

    I am sure your own terrorist looks like a guard dog to most Pakistanis. TIll that mindset changes, I don’t see anyway India and Pakistan can be friends.

    Remember times have changed. Today US needs India more than it needs Pakistan. So the Gen Zia policy of covering up terror with a cobra smile will not work.

    Pakistan really has to change internally. I hope you become a vehicle of the change, rather than fall to ghissi-pitti conspiracy theories.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~ :D :D ~~ BLOGGERS OF INDIA… BE READY FOR WAR !!! ~~ :D :D ~~~

    After being badly wounded by adopting Amar Dalal as its mukhota, the COngress led by Digvinash is probably up to some other tricks.

    My gut feeling is that it is coming out with some dirt to try to sully the name of Kejriwal and Anna Hazare. Especially because the PAC report has slammed it badly.

    Brother bloggers be ready for the next war unleashed by the corrupt ! :D

    And dear Vinodji. I humbly request that you should not allow yourself to be used by the COngress as it goes ahead in trying to promote dynastic succesion and protect the Corrupt and the kickbacker takers…. :D

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    ram Reply:

    vijay vinod is always faith full to the ruling party,

    NDA comes back to power u will see him performing Suryanamaskar in front of BJP headquarters and Padmasan near 7 Race course Road.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ram
    Dekho auo diwane tum ye kaam no karo, ram ka naam badnaam no karo, badnaam na karo.

    PS: Go ask the NDA leaders whether I ever bowed before them in the six years that they were in power?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Do you mean to say that you only bow before Congress and Sonia?

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Kabhi Kabhi mere dil mein
    yeh khyal kyuun aata hai
    agar HT group mein rahna hai
    aur taraqqi ko anjaam dena hai
    to congress party ko hi dil se lagana hai
    aur ab jo mohabbat kar hi li
    to zamane ko beech main aane na doonga
    yeh duniya agar lut bhi jaye to kya hai
    is mohabbat ko badnaam hone na doonga
    yeh duniya agar lut bhi jaaye to kya hai
    zamane ko khaak mein mil jaane doonga
    yeh duniya….

    Mr Shenoy, Mr Vinod , Vijay … shayari ko yuun badnaam karne ke liye aap sabhi se maafi chahoonga)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Carry on PRaveen. More power to your pen ! :)

    Do you also sense that Congress will now come in with a truck load of muck to try to sully the name of corruption fighters?????

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    In this fight against false wafadaari, hell-for-leather kind of corruption, pseudo secularism and vote bank politics, language is our only weapon and we are licensed to use it to its maximum effect.

    Therefore, Lage raho, Saxenaji.

    By the way, the shayari was of no mean standard and the punches are quite effective.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Vinod Sharma has not officially become a lackey of Diggi and Amar…You may see him soon touching feet of these two dalals.

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    @ Vinod

    U can make fun of me but not Lord Rama

    Rember Ambika soni affidavit questioning the existence of Lord Rama

    There bad time started then, and there only job till today is submitting affidavits (Adarsh, CWG, 2G, S-band, National Highways)

    And one more blind fool frm tamilnadu asked
    Who is this Rama? From which engineering college did he graduate? Is there any proof for this?

    See now the amount of proof he is getting

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ram,

    you are absolutely right.

    This is cause and effect theory in full flow.

    Karunanidhi will soon see all his wives, daughter, sons and other close persons in jail. By the way this non-believer, atheist, Ram-hater had to sit monkey-faced when his wife and other family members went round all the temples in Madras and put large sums of money in the Hundis praying the same hated Gods for success in the elections.

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    @Vinod Sharma ji

    Sir
    I know I am quite late in making entry this time on the discussion about this blog.

    But I do appreciate your conceding in the end that peaceniks can not succeed till——-,. That is a clear your confession of the futility of these efforts. I am glad that you could agree with most of us in the end.
    What I and rather most of the fellow bloggers, have been trying to point out that it was a useless exercise and simply wastage of time. Rather such activity deflects the attention of the masses from the main complicated issues between the two countries and creates a sort of mirage of hope in the minds of a common men. The peaceniks have been lighting the candles for the last fifty years, the cricket was being played as much of the time also, but in the end , we are all back to zero ground.
    Let us be all patient and take a principled stand. In the meantime let’s all mind our business without creating any hype of cricket diplomacy. As all such efforts are doomed to failure without any solid and honest understanding between the ruling classes in the two countries.
    BNA

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @B.N.Anand
    You are right. We need brutal honesty in dealing with Pakistan, both publicly and privately. In our effort to be polite , the politicians and peacenicks have actually blurred the line between truth and falsehood.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BN Anand
    What irritates me Dear Doctor is your proclivity to declare victory, claim credit for slightest suggestion of introspection by me. My views on issues aren’t cast in stone. I keep re-assessing my position to meet the demands of the time on key national questions. I am I must admit quite disappointed by the zero sum game that are Indo-Pak relations. But I haven’t lost hope in the validity of dialogue with that country. It was in that context that I put on record my assessment of Kayani.
    So, please don’t jump to conclusions.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma ji
    Sir
    I share your disappointment. I was glad that we are now on the same page. Of course, I am not against the dialogue–the door to communication should not be closed. But the dialogue must be used to assert our point and not to be cowed down.
    However, I do appreciate your being flexible with regard to introspecting your opinion with changing ground realities. That is why I respect you despite differing with you most of the times.
    BNA

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    maya Reply:

    anand can u show me one instance when this sharma has shown flexibilty based on facts
    in his pro congress and anti bjp positions…

    this foreign policy regarding only pakistan nonsense is blogged
    to attract pakistani viewers and distract us from the actions of congress creeps
    whom he serves..

    and since when have words counted for anything with congressis and their media
    members

    even after 60 yrs u r so naive….

    god save india from the naive..

    so u believe vinod will disclose the CD source when he deems fit…

    since u r so charitable to him….please ask when will he deem it fit…
    how about 2099…

    and ask him how is he fighting corruption by supporting the recent PAC
    congress drama..

    just days ago he was saying he will fight corruption…

    he also hid his nmc mate actions who committed a criminal act of fixing the sikh riots in sajjan singh’s favor

    yeah please take his word for it…

    bolne me kya jata hai…yehi to congress ka record hai…

    after all india has many simpletons like u…

    and let alone take his word..u actually respect him for lieing to u with hollow words…

    lage raho congress aur sharma…only in india full of simpletons who refuse to learn

    no wonder we r the most looted,most enslaved and most poor nation in the world

    i am sure this exhange will happen again…he will claim that he is flexible and u will belive him but also respect him….

    it is so easy to fool peole in india….swissbnaks have the most money from india…

    all sonia has to do is release a statement thru HT that she will fight corruption and lo an behold many will rise out of respect for her…after having forgotten the argentina cbi bharad waj drama..

    even God cannot save india from its own naive peole

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Ram

    Appropriate examples !

    Karuna surely deserved it. He has literally made the state his own kingdom by placing his children, wives, grandchildren cousins as the custodians of the state wealth and estate. Wearing his dark glasses he surely is Dhritrashtra…

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Latest blog from Nadeem Paracha..absolutely hilarious. A must read for Mo-Autar and his lackey Ravi..

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/28/drone-attacks-the-truth-is-out.html
    Drone attacks: The truth is out
    BY NADEEM F. PARACHA ON APRIL 28TH, 2011 (5 HOURS AGO) | COMMENTS (30)

    Illustration by Eefa Khalid/Dawn.com
    Some facts and suggestions about the drone attacks in Pakistan…

    - Drones are unmanned aircrafts. They are called unmanned because they are actually manned by women. So one can say drones are women-manned aircrafts. This is done to insult the conservative sensibilities of our brothers in the tribal areas of the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province where there are no women – only men and goats.

    - The first drone attack to take place in Pakistan was in 1024 AD. It was fired by a Rajput stooge of the Jesus-hating Jews on the army of Mahmud Ghaznavi that was liberating the Somnath temple from idols … and taking some gold.

    - The first Pakistani to be hit by a drone was actually an innocent old camel in North Waziristan. This made all the other camels of that area very angry and militant and as a result, they began to behave like carnivorous sheep. They then all joined Jimran Khan’s Pakistan Threek-e-Miswak – all two trillion of them (humps included).

    - Drones were invented by the famous Jewish scientist, Albert Einstein when his equation, E = mc2, was successfully challenged and debunked by the famous Muslim physicist, Ali Azmat in his equally famous book, ‘War and Peace’ co-written with nuclear scientist, alchemist and judo expert, Zaid Hamid in 1941. When asked how that was possible when the first drone was used in 1024 AD, Hamid said it was a case of time travel. This, he said, was achieved when the reptilian Elders of Zion discovered a wormhole near Jerusalem which distorted the space-time continuum in the area and made the camels of that area very angry and militant. Thus, the invention of drones, dig?

    - Ever since 1024 AD, drones have killed over three billion Pakistani Muslims. It is strange how not a single non-Muslim Pakistani has ever been killed by a drone. So, to balance things out, the angry camels began to kill Christians, Hindus and Ahmadis. It was only fair.

    - Compared to the three billion Pakistani Muslims killed by the drones, only fourteen Pakistanis have been killed in suicide attacks by the angry camels. Such attacks are not common in Pakistan. In fact, the first ever suicide attack in the country took place only last Monday and that too in Karachi which is a city full of sinners and bad Muslims anyway.

    - It is wrong to say that the Pakistan military is allowing the Americans to use drones in the country. The truth is that it is actually against the drones that the army is fighting and not the so-called militants, who are simply innocent herdsmen and shoe-salesmen. The truth is that it is the civilian government which is allowing the Americans to use drones – especially President Zardari who is believed to own a number of drone factories in Switzerland.

    - President Zardari is also planning to setup a drone factory on the moon on a large area that he illegally occupied by evicting poverty-stricken Uzbek and Chechnyan Muslim liberation fighters who wanted to liberate the moon from the tyranny of the descendants of Jewish astronaut, Neil Armstrong, who by the way, had converted to Islam after he had heard the azaan on the moon. But he turned out to be a bad Muslim, unlike Michael Jackson who turned out to be a good one, before he died in a drone attack.

    - The Government of Pakistan is not allowing its greatest scientist – in fact, the world’s greatest scientist – Dr. A Q. Skywalker, to develop the drone technology so Pakistan can make its own drones and kill innocent shepherds and shoe-salesmen itself. In fact, the so-called militants are on record saying that they would rather die from a Pakistani drone than an American one.

    - This way they will stop blowing up mosques, shrines and markets out of revenge (and basically, just for the heck of it). The Pakistani drones will also make sure that no innocent Pakistani (i.e. Muslim, of course) is killed. This would drastically bring down the number of drone casualties because only one out of a million people living in Waziristan is a militant. That is a fact. And that explosion you just heard was actually a gas cylinder exploding.

    - It is not true that Americans use drones to attack those militants that the Pakistani military is protecting. This is an American lie. And that gas cylinder explosion you just heard is actually innocent civilians being attacked by a drone.

    - It is a sad fact that some Pakistanis use more time protesting about trivial issues such as blasphemy, gang-rape cases and the fourteen people who were killed in the only suicide attack that has ever taken place in this country, instead of protesting against the drones that have killed billions of Pakistanis. But then, such misguided people are all alcoholics, drug addicts and believers of free sex, so one cannot expect them to speak out against the drones. They will all burn in hell. Inshahallah.

    - The Americans are bribing the Chinese to make toy drones so they can be exported to Pakistan and given to Muslim children to play with. We should retaliate by asking the Chinese to make toy models of Imran Khan, Altaf Hussain and Shahbaz Sharif – the sort who’d say, ‘stop drones, stop drones, stop drones …’ each time their strings are pulled by children. These children can be dressed in cute little military uniforms.

    - Orders should also be placed for the making of revolutionary dolls (male, of course) whose features are a cross between Che Guevara, Osama Bin Laden and Lady Gaga. Tariq Ali can be used to market these dolls.

    - Pakistan should make manned drones i.e., un-women-manned drones manned by hunks, called hunk-manned drones. Trained pilots should not be necessary for such drones. One’s ghairat, patriotism and control over his daily flatulence cycle should be enough. We suggest handsome, ingenious and muscular hunks like Hamid Pir, and Shaljam Lucman and patriotic hunk-man-women sirens like Meher Bukhar and Hajjan Mulazma Shirazi be given the honour of using these hunk-manned drones against the sissy women-manned American drones.

    - Last but not the least, the drones are also said to be the main cause of last year’s devastating floods in Pakistan and this year’s horrifying earthquakes in the Islamic Emirates of Japan. There is ample evidence to prove this, and that is why the government is trying to devolve the Higher Education Commission (HEC) because HEC’s brilliant scholars are close to proving the long-term effects of drone attacks. Apart from floods and earthquakes (in Muslim countries), the effects also include the spread of AIDs, homosexuality (and thus, AIDs), energy shortage, corruption, dengue fever, hair-loss and worst of all, the banning of the most famous, brilliant and vital sports channel in the whole Milky Way Galaxy, ‘Peo Stopper!’

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    Prabhat Reply:

    -
    Absolutely brilliant satire !

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    Saarthak Reply:

    Nadeem got born in the wrong country

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  • Dr Mishra

    One of my Pakistani junior doctors read this statement by me above (we were chatting politics in my office after a long hard day )- ‘……………….At the end of the day, the story of Pak is the story of Dara Shikoh always vanquished by the fundamentalist Aurangzeb. For Aurangzeb, read Kayani, Mushy, Zia ul Haq- strong men all…………..
    He is a nice doctor. He made 3 statements-
    1. Aurangzeb was a pious holy man.
    2. Islam did not spread by bullet or sword
    3 The moment Americans and the 1 million Afghan refugees leave Pakistan, everything in his beloved country will be back to normal.
    He was quite emotional about it all and harked back to the ”golden age of Islam in Spain”. For once, I did not challenge his mindset.
    Clearly, Pakistanis are very hurt by the downward spiral of their land and seek refuge in denial and nostalgia.
    Feedback from others, particularly Usman welcome

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Well obviously there is no treatment that can cure this doctor and other Pakistanis who think like him. Pakistan is congenitally crippled by that I mean that the state is founded on Jinnah’s deceitful use of religion for political power. It was such a terrible sin , leading to death of millions that even if Jinnah was hanged for every Hindu and Muslim killed in 1947 riots, it would not be enough. Pakistan has to disown Jinnah’s politics and start from scratch or else Jinnah’s political heirs will only bring more ruin, death and destruction.

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    deepak Reply:

    there u go again rajiv

    i cant understand how *** indians r so ignorant about the religous beliefs preached
    in the mosques…these r literal…

    jinnah was only asking the muslims that we will not be ruled by kafirs..

    and we will conquer 40 % land for islam…

    these beliefs r in the book…

    and even westerners know this becauese they r written…indians have been
    conquered by ghori etc bsed on these beliefs

    remeber babbri masjid constructed over ram temple ….r u going to blame that on jinnah too..
    its the beliefs man….

    god save india from such politically correct liers who have been ********
    india by their confused hypocrisy…

    jinnah cannot do anything that is not belived by the belivers as the word of God

    95% voted for paksitan as the land of the pure…

    this same guy was talking of prosecuting aseemannda without proof…

    if kasab had not been on camera..congress wuld have arrested rss for 26-11
    and peole like rajiv would have boasted to pakistanis look we
    arrested rss guys…when muslims could careless of being fair and moral…

    the muslim always is right against a kafir….so they belive that rss did 26-11
    as dimple’s link has shown ..digvijay and muslims together blaming rss

    he is totally ignorant of congress media conspiracy for decades…

    a few more comments like this by naive hindus and i will change my
    religion..

    i am fed up of hindus being slaves cowards and pretending to be moral and fair
    by being politically correct but factually wrong..like this jinnah argument..

    if these guys cannot even use their brains for accurate knowledge…..to compensate for their
    historic slavish mindset…then i cannot share my community with them..

    especially after the hindus hav elost their ancestors land to islam once again just
    20 yrs ago…were these guys sleeping…can they evr learn ??

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Dr Mishra,

    Nothing but one significant fact is ” looking ahead is always better then looking back” for me past is to rectify and learn. I admit Pakistan is by large suffering for its own mistakes its time to learn and future belong to those who believe in the purity of their dreams rather than building castles in air.

    Usman
    Pakistan

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am currently watching Times now expose on Purulia Arms Drop. It is absolutely shocking and it to an extent proves that Congress can stoop to any level to gain political mileage. Now I absolutely believe this recent RSS-Terror link is product of Congress politics which is aimed at destablizing opposition parties…Please do watch this on Times Now. I am ashamed that we live in such a country where Congress govt with the help of a foreign govt. does to arms drop in west bengal so that there can be an armed rebellion against democratically elected govt. What right does Congress have to sponsor terrorism against Indian people?
    Now I also feel that congress is not telling the whole truth on 26/11.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajeev,
    Post the link .
    - Mahesh.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mahesh,
    Here is the link..Part 2-5 are also on the same page.
    http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-The-truth-about-Purulia-1/videoshow/4371743.cms

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Who allowed the Purulia Arm drop accused leave this country?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Obviously BJP..Do you think I will mince words on such a issue? Congress did this Purulia arms drop and BJP covered it up for congress. It is becoming increasingly clear that Congress and BJP have worked behind the scene on many issue. This is one such issue and the other will be against Jan lok pal bill.

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    deepak Reply:

    rajeev please dont hurt the only viable party that can replace congress…

    while congie supporters by hook or crook defend congress because of their hatred for bjp

    people like u jump on allegations to make bjp lose votes..

    do u want congress to win and rule for ever..

    as it is congress has a head start advantage with 20 % minority vote…

    dont u even know all choices r relative…

    someone has to rule and congress was a monopolyy ..some democracy

    only hindus r capable of being ruled for centuries and looted

    and try to be moral and fair about everything…

    if u want to be moral first help to defeat congress..

    instead u r using the same tactic that congie media uses
    to equalize bjp and congress..

    bjp has produced much better cms…

    only hindus can produce peole like u…

    with half knowldge but ready to jump to conclusions at the drop of a hat…

    bjp has produced modi and sushil modi in bihar

    sushil is responsible for all the roads there which media gives credit to nitish
    who is also compatible with bjp but not congress…

    god save india from people like u who refuse to learn..

    minorties could care less about hindus in kashmir or gujarat..

    but haneef is a hero and 2 indians died in last few days in australia

    see how perabhat lies for congress..and u so naively answer him
    without mincing words….u could have atleast said congress i far worse which is fact

    so u r mincing words in favor of congress

    u remind me of prithviraj chauhan who for gave his enemies…

    god save india from peole like u…

    only speaking in the same language can fight evil like sledging
    or self defence by our movie heroes where people like u will clap

    i plan to change my religion due to hindus like u..

    now go an d lecture morality to the 50 % poor which is 600 million

    u do not even appreciate that bjp produced modi…

    shame on u…hindus r a pathetic race loted and ruled …

    no one takes them seriously if they die…eg kashmir
    austarlia

    if my name was graham staines or haneef people like u wuld show their morality to
    weep for me…
    but not the hindus in kashmir or godhra train

    ofcourse even the hindu media mafia will hide it…

    what a hopeless community..have been screwed for centuries
    but yet talk of morality without even reducing povert or child labor…

    worse make it easier for islamic -congress rule to continue…by dragging in bjp
    unfairly based on allegations….congress guys make excuses by pointing at bjp even if allegations r false or in a different league…

    man what is wrong with my pathetic community weak in every way and as if that is not enough bloody moral hypocrites…

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    P V Narashima Rao was a great scholar.

    But there was dissonance in his personality, because he too was a shrewd politician.

    A typical politician.

    So while, he gave full freedom to Man Mohan Singh to help turn the economy around, he indulged in few things that could best be avoided. Otherwise, he could have left a legacy, very difficult to emulate.

    But like Bill Clinton, who marred his great presidential term with some silly side-acts, Rao too did the same.

    Somehow, the great personalities have this tendencies of making some silly mistakes that are unbecoming of their intellect !

    Sad, but true.

    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Deepak saheb

    a) rajeev please dont hurt the only viable party that can replace congress…

    Yes, he should not hurt the BJP as it has been battered so badly in the last 9 years or so that it is unable to take any more blows. Truth be damned.

    b) bjp has produced much better cms…

    What about much better PMs or rather PMs-in-waiting?

    c) man what is wrong with my pathetic community …

    As soon as someone finds out, you will be duly informed.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    Your tone and tenor is amazingly similar to Sharma. It is really a surprise that you have suddenly appeared overnight with lot of info. on other posters especially Shenoy the team leader.

    You congressmen are born liars & you are perfect example for everyone to see.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    I like your sense of humour.

    And I somehow like Shenoy too.

    It’s just that, unlike many others, I have actually dealt with the mob in real life. In college days and during execution of some professional projects. And these mobs were real, very life threatening.

    I understand how people feel all powerful when they are part of a mob. The collective mob psych is so different from from their individual minds ! So one needs to see through the dust, recognise the face in that mob who you think plays he pivotal role. He may be behind the crowd, mingled and almost hidden.

    But if it’s a life threatening situation, you need to recognise those pair of eyes in a blink that are different from the rest of the mob. Then work with a singular objective to reach out to that person.

    You have to construct the profile of the mob and the leader in a blink, if you want to survive. Then act.

    And it’s no different here.

    [ Remember me if you ever find yourself in this type of situation in real life. ]

    Going against the gravity is my passion.

    Besides that I have a sense of history. I always try to remember the chronology of events. The event that leads to other events. Whenever I read a news, I recall the cause that might have lead to that particular event , join that with the current event and keep the whole scenario as a visual package in my mind. So very rarely, I get overwhelmed by the current event in any given situation. While others get overawed by the rumbling of a quake and falling rocks all around them , my mind constantly looks for the epicenter of that quake.

    You find some similarity in me and Vinodji just because we have different view-points from that of yours.

    I know the internet space is dominated by the BJP supporters. So it gives them a false sense of feeling that “we are the World”. They refused to see beyond that smoke screen.

    Shenoy says “language is the weapon” BJP supporters have. They use “abuses” as ammunition. Which is true.

    People think “short-circuiting” any discussion with abuses is a very smart thing to do. It does not allow others any space or time to think.

    [ Anyway "short-circuiting" is the order of the day. A Rakhi Sawant or a Dolly Bindra or a Poonam Pandey has caught the fancy of our collective psych. ]

    Till we meet the stone pelters in Kashmir. Or, some fire breathing maulanas in Pakistan.

    We do not think us to be same as them. We think they are irrational and are indulging in mindless actions ! But actually, we are no different.

    Varun Gandhi embarasses many senior leaders with his utterances. But we are forgettiing that it’s the senior leaders in BJP who cast the “template for visibility”. They tought how to use “language embellished with abuses” effectively to get the prominence and reckoned as an effective leader.

    It’s just that sometimes, the mentoree tries to outdo the mentor and embarasses the mentor with his utterances. Varun Gandhi is a classic example.

    Here in the forum too, Shenoy urges his team members to use “language as a weapon”. That’s interesting way of urging the mob. The mob goes berserk. Then we have a Dimple or a Maya trying to prove she is no less. She can match anybody when it comes to throwing abuses.

    I know Shenoy would hate this, but he is no different from that maulana urging children to fight kafirs or from that leader in Kashmir who urges children indulge in stone pelting.

    Like that maulana, Shenoy too here uses his intelligence, wisdom and power to numb the senses of the crowd who looks upto him.

    I am not urging Shenoy to change or something. I am not even saying why Shenoy is not like me !

    I know even in a family, the members are very different. Spouses have different ideas. So do siblings. So it’s natural to have difference of opinion outside since we come from different background.

    Only thing I am urging that the leaders are rare. They have a rare gift of talent. They must use that God given power judiciously.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Are you serious? Grow up buddy…Seriously.

    Prabhat Reply:

    While Rakhi Sawant or Poonam Pandey use “short-cuts” to their advantage, Dolly Bindra uses “short-circuiting” to her advantage.

    [ Just elaborate the difference.]

    Rajeev Reply:

    Prabhat,
    You sound all preachy and hollow. I have no problem if you defend Vinod or his buddy Amar Singh. Unlike Vinod, you are openly supporting Congress which is a welcome change.

    However there was no need for long explanation. I am not your father to listen to 10 pages excuse. Whether you are Vinod or his staffer or someone who is corrupt congressmen, it doesn’t matter to me.

    I am not going to question your identity from now on keeping into consideration your long explanation.

    Manohar Reply:

    @Prabhat

    This is in with reference to your post and immediate response it elicited. Am i seeing a pattern?

    If one uses civilised language and not indulge in abuse, i.e. not use language as a weapon, one is deemed to be anti-Sangh Parivar (and add anti-national and unpatriotic) – read pro-congress.

    On the other hand if one use language as a weapon and attempts to browbeat the opponents with abuses and vitriolic comments, then one is supposed to be pro-Sangh Parivar and on the “right” side.

    Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but going by the history – they are in very tiny minority.

    With the apparent majority in the cyberspace, the latter seem to think (as you said) “we are the world”.

    It is apt to reproduce concluding remarks by Ashok Mailk, the political commentator, in a column he wrote in HT in March 2010. Of course, most of you must be aware of this column in question. This may raise the hackles of many here, who seem to be in a majority.

    Quote

    Why are these Internet Hindus worthy of notice at all? There are three reasons. First, a collective of the intellectually inadequate, the professionally frustrated and the plain bigoted, they represent the collapse of Hindu politico-intellectual space into a caricature of the very Talibanism it opposes.

    Second, as Hindutva as an idea has contracted in real-world politics, it has become shrill and over-the-top in cyberspace. The Left has its universities, journals and institutional support system. It is a commentary on Internet Hindus that they only have multiple email accounts.

    Third, there is a hard question for the BJP. How quickly can it delink itself from Internet Hindus and their offline equivalents? A party that seeks to build broad-spectrum opposition unity in Parliament on governance issues can do without such viral downloads.

    Unquote.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    1) Your Post : “Are you serious? Grow up buddy…Seriously.”

    I have no issue with your reply to my post. You did not use any abusive words to deride my posting. Instead you used “sarcasm” to embellish your point. This is absolutely OK. People fail to distinguish between the application of “sarcasm” and “abuses”. I truely appreciate your remark even though you are not in agreement with me.

    2) Your Post : ” Prabhat, You sound all preachy and hollow. ”

    I am sorry if I sounded all preachy. I surely did not want to sound like that. I wanted it to be a conversation between adults.

    3) Your Post : “I am not your father to listen to 10 pages excuse. ..”

    I will not this as abuse. But this not civil. You could avoid that.

    4) Your Post : “Whether you are Vinod or his staffer or someone who is corrupt congressmen, it doesn’t matter to me.”

    I have explained many times that I am NOT Vinod Sharma. But you keep pushing that idea time and again.

    5) Your Post : “I am not going to question your identity from now on keeping into consideration your long explanation.”

    Thanks buddy. We can discuss everything else. Why waste time on silly things !

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat,

    you have said, quoting me, “Language is our weapon”.

    You are being too clever by half by quoting only half of my observation. Since you have repeated it, let me give you the full quote: “In this fight against false wafadaari, hell-for-leather kind of corruption, pseudo secularism and vote bank politics, language is our only weapon and we are licensed to use it to its maximum effect.”

    While preaching to the trolls and internet Hindus, you should yourself maintain at least some semblence of ethicality.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    While you quoted your full observation here, you missed to mention the context it was used.

    While you quoted this giving a nice intellectual embellishment, it actually urged, in a way, people to keep using their aggressive ( am I being too polite ?) language while raising their points.

    In army, when any order is passed, there are competent officers to break the order into actionable programme and explain it to the junior officers in the language they understand. And it goes on till it reaches the lowest level, the foot soldiers.

    The definite chain of command and rule book help maintain the fidelity of the original order.

    But in political scenario, followers tend to interprete the leader’s urging/utterances in their own way. And there are many exogenous factors that impact the communication between the leader and the followers.

    So the distortion happens.

    Since this distortions are inevitable, the leaders must be careful what they say and how much distortion of their original urging to followers can happen as it reaches down the common followers.

    Since you are a kind of thought leader here on this forum for some people, I took you as a template to explain my point of view.

    [ Nothing personal. ]

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Prabhat(?),

    your above post is a good example of the false wafaadari I had spoken about. It also reflects the false modesty of your tone. My comment was in response to Praveen Saxena’s self-deprecating remark, “Mr Shenoy, Mr Vinod , Vijay … shayari ko yuun badnaam karne ke liye aap sabhi se maafi chahoonga)”.

    I regret to say you are completely off the mark with your army chain of command, leader-followers remark here, because Praveen Saxena is an elderly gentleman who has never, ever crossed the line of decency and politeness in his comments on Vinodji’s blogs. I believe that the distortion you are talking about is all in your imagination.

    ANYWAY, YOU HAVE DEFINITELY EARNED BONUS POINTS FROM MOGAMBO, WHOM YOU HAVE PLEASED IMMENSELY.

    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Who is this new mysterious MOGAMBO here?

  • Mahesh

    Sharmaji,
    This comment is *not * (I repeat with double emphasis) – *not* – about how India should be dealing with Pakistan and vice-versa.
    I am trying to fathom the reasons behind change in tone and tenor from Pakistani side vis-a-vis India. Here is what I see as change in tone. Past month or so the official statements from Pakistani Establishment about 26/11 (Please note – I am saying Pakistani Establishment and not Pakistan itself. For the record , if you wish….) have been alluding to prosecution of “hand behind” the perpetrators. And now the “Getting Kayani On-board” leak.

    Inquiring minds do ponder about the shift . What could it be ?

    American Pressure ? Well, it has been there all along and yet it hasn’t achieved enough results.

    Afghanistan ? Nah , even more unlikely. We are actually adversaries in Afghan. Much to the delight of chinese who have very smoothely skimmed off Infrastructure Developmental work in Afghanistan.

    Worried about mutually destructive warfare ? Well, post Brasstacks (for those un-initiated in recent history, Brasstacks was military exercise conducted under the leadership of K. Sundarji during Rajiv Gandhi’s Prime-Ministership) no military maneuvre witnessed massive moblisation of Armed forces on both sides of Border. Kargil was another one, but againt it was probably dwarfed by Brasstacks (Military experts reading this comment might want to respond). I doubt if establishments on either side of border ever had a stomach for full blown conflict. And this despite both the sides *purportedly* and covertly – but not so subtly – advertising their nuclear weapons capabilities.

    So what is it ? Why are the establishments on both sides trying co-operate ? (If I read the signals correctly). On what agenda ? Would love to have a genuine debate on this with perspectives from both sides of border.

    Finally, a word for respondents – this is *not* (I repeat – NOT) a discussion on how India and Pakistan should be dealing with each other. This discussion is about what could be the reasons behind change in stance or posturing . I am OK about arguments that negate the assumption about change in tone and tenor that are well reasoned, but please stick to the core topic.

    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Having followed Pak establsihment utterence for last 20 years I have seen tone and tenor change with months and seasons but always quickly returning to the old , strident, anti-India ( thats the only time Pak feels equal to India ) rhetoric. So while there may be a brief ( last few days to a few weeks ) perceptible change in rhetoric the underlying philosophy and rational of Pakistan army/isi remains as cussed as ever.

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    Everybody wants economic prosperity. People see how mindless conflicts have pushed them to almost bankruptcy. After sometime in a sustained negative situation, people start doubting the wisdom of their leader who they have been following blindly.

    We think all Pakistanis are devils. And Pakistanis think we are always ready to launch nuclear missile from the Golden Dragon restaurant in Connaught Place, Delhi.

    People get carried away by the rhetorics in short term, but long for the “natural state of being” in the long term.

    The adrenaline flows strongly when the Religion and Nationhood are falsely interpreted with heitherto unknown and mystic reasoning. But the fatigue sets in after sometime, once the rhetoric dies down.

    India and Pakistan are in that situation.

    Both sides are longing for a little normal state of being and enjoy good things in life.

    Besides that, India wants to play a bigger role in the World stage and move beyond Pakistan. And Pakistan wonders how can it be as good as India !

    Hence, the shift.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    A lot of hot air without any sense of ground realities.

    With the kind of leaders we have, India can never ever play any kind of role on the world stage.

    “move beyond Pakistan”- This is a cruel joke. Manmohan Singh has made settling “issues” with Pakistan his life’s sole mission, forgetting that he is there not to take care of Pakistan’s anxieties, but to take care of 1.2 billion Indians.

    “And Pakistan wonders how can it be as good as India !” This is another joke reflecting the romantic ideas of most congressies. Pakistan actually is obsessed with the sole yearning of destroying India someday soon, Inshah Allah!

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    Mahesh Reply:

    @Rajiv,
    We have had mixed signals emanating from Pakistani establishment without participation from topmost Military levels. When that happened it worked genuinely (remember the wonderful chemistry Mr. Vajpayee and Mr. Musharraf shared ?) . Possibly – same is his happening this time around vis-a-vis Mr. Kayani. So, the question remains – what explains the change ?
    @Prabhat,
    I have to be bit harsh on your response. While I agree with framework of your thinking – IMHO it is yet too generic to be qualified as a specific answer. Economic prosperity – well every politician and bureaucrat including the most corrupt ones would dream of bringing it to their own land. So, no surprises here.
    Not alll Pakistanis being devil – well, same can be said about Indians, Americans, Palestinians, Russians, Israelis…. so on so forth.
    Adrenalin of Nationalism and Religion – I don’t think India and Pakistan are in the same situation. If anything, India – IMHO – is witnessing a sweeping domination of public discourse by consumerist culture. For Pakistan, perhaps – a dis-engagement from “International (American) war on terror” might be a good starting point for simplification.
    That said, the question of renewed warming up in relationships still remains un-answered.
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.
    p,s, for Shenoy : A little curious about your response – how does it contribute to the thread of discussion ? Care to elaborate – Please ?

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Mahesh

    As far I can think of , at macro level, “economic prosperity” the differentiating and deciding factor.

    Pakistan knows it could be a mini India, if it could re-jig few things.

    And India knows it could inch towards the level of China.

    May be the politicians could never figure out how unrests, conflicts, religious rhetorics could have direct bearing on the economic prosperity of the country.

    Once caught in the cesspool of these conflicts for a while, we realise what have we really missed out in the process !

    When we go back to the drawing board to redraw our priorities, we discover these conflicts and unrests are the real stumbling blocks in our progress and prosperity.

    Hence, the shift.

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  • Rajiv

    Most Pakistan watchers fail to appreciate the logic that inspires Pakistan. Pakistan is crippled by Jinnah’s venomous use of religion for political power. Todays Taleban and extrimist ISI-Army are political heirs of the religion inspired politics. Even if Jinnah was hanged as many times as every innocent Hindu, Muslim or Sikh killed in 1947 riots , it would not be enough. Pakistan , if it wants to survive and progress has to 1st disown Jinnah’s use of religion for state power and re-invent itself on more lofty goals and not on a negative anti-Hindu, anti-India pernicious logic.
    If Aurangzeb is there hero then they deserve the most pernicious Taleban rule.
    Pak establsihment is wedded to that logic, controls all aspects of Pak state power, is corroupt to the core. It may change its shade for short term conveniance but only a fool would expect a change of character unless that is matched by actions.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Prabhat,
    I’d like to know your views on what happened during PAC meeting and how report was junked. Do you agree with the way pro-congress PAC members rejected PAC report without even reading it?
    Can you also tell us why two sworn enemies SP and BSP sided with Congress? Pl. do explain us what make these two parties come together in support of congress.

    For God sake, don’t be a Rakhi Sawant like Vinod Sharma or your Adarniya Rahul Gandhi.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    PREAMBLE –

    I believe Sh M M Joshi had such a huge potential as a leader, but his leadership qualities could never be actualised. I know people, happened to be his students, who would talk in glowing terms about Sh Joshi.

    But for some reason, Sh Joshi could not really demonstrate his full potential in BJP.

    SCENE 1 -

    Sh Joshi started PAC audit of CAG report in the right earnest. Even to the discomfiture of his own party men. In the beginning, he urged PAC members not to act like Congress or any political party members, but as independent PAC members.

    This was great. PAC was trying to discharge its constitutional role in the right spirit.

    SCENE 2 -

    Over to A Raja,the ex-telecom minister.

    He was given a very important portfolio. He brought in competition, broke the cartel of GSM group and helped drop the tariff thereby benefitting the end customers.

    But while everything was honky-dory, Raja wanted to have a side-show. May be he could actually have got away with it but for his “crudeness”.

    Raja informed his friends in industry to be ready with drafts, pre-poned the cut-off date and i believe, just allowed few hours-window to submit the tenders.

    This very act was the height of crudeness and reflected his desperation.

    He thought nobody will notice. But everybody did.

    SCENE 3 -

    1) Sh Joshi lead the PAC meeting from the front. He questioned witnesses directly. Sometimes even pushed them in a particular direction by asking loaded questions and expecting the witnesses to agree with him. He even threatened witness that they were talking to the Chairman of PAC.

    2) Sh Joshi even could not resist making public statements before television camera and giving out happenings in PAC meeting while the prime role of PAC was to vet CAG report.

    3) Sh Joshi decided to have witness from all over the world.

    Except for the minister, A Raja himself, who is accused !

    Or, Mr Shourie not yet accused but was a Telecom Minister during NDA regime.

    ( He could not have deposition of Mahajan for the obvious reason )

    4) Sh Joshi prepared a quick draft report based on his (his party’s ) opinion with subtle brand placement ( like they show a famous brand of beer in a movie scene) in the main scene.

    PAC – Public Account Committee., went beyond the mandate of auditing the accounting malpractices and raised points regarding the Governance ( JPC is empowered to do that )

    5) Sh Joshi decided to put his “opinions” in the draft report, instead the “views” of the committee.

    6) In eagerness to rush the draft report, he made few cardinal mistakes like Raja pre-dated the tender date all of a sudden allowing just few hours for companies to submit the tender fee.

    Sh Joshi gave references to the deposition by Cabinet Secretary to the PM, Attorney General and CBI chief which were supposed to have happened on 15th April.

    Actually these depositions were never made !

    So like A Raja got caught for his stupid and crude act, Sh Joshi also got into a corner because this crude act, inspite of his facade of impartiality.

    The draft report was pre-dated and pre-determined.

    [ This is only the first act. The play is not over yet . ]

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Thanks for presenting congress views on whole issue. This was a very forceful argument from you just like ‘Cash for vote’ scam.
    Thanks once again…May you loot this country for generations to come.

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  • deepak

    manohar u need to get urself checked…

    what about the preachings in the mosques against kafirs and the bjp only because it talks of equality for all and appeasement for none….

    and that is 13 centuries old…

    the educated internet indians r seeing thru the double standars of islmaic rule
    against kafirs..and peole like u and congress r agents of that for decades…

    if u had some shame u wuld try to find ur real father name from ur mother
    and make ur name suitably islamic..

    u have no brains or logic..just like 7th century beliefs of ur real father

    and u share the hatred for bjp and modi with them..

    idiot u were blaming modi because anna praised him…

    that is what the mullah blood has done to u by giving u a 7th century brain..

    my muslim frends would like u to show ur secularism by giving them
    a tryst with your sister and wife ..just like ur motherdid to conceive u…

    and this is not abuse…this is an award for ur secularism

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    Dimple >> Maya >> Deepak !!!

    Great !

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    Manohar Reply:

    @Prabhat

    How about dimple >> maya >> deepak >> shyam >> jimmy (order not important)?

    We, mere mortals, are probably witnessing the “grand spectacle” Mr./Ms. Whatever appearing in various “avatars” – sex change and religion no bar. One wonders how many more to go by the time William and Kate return from their honeymoon? Apparently there is a safety in numbers, never mind even if they are concocted, otherwise .how else “we are the world”!!!

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  • yash

    Dear Vinod,

    USA with all its money, power and inlfuence has been unable to convince Pak to give up supporting the good Taliban. Give that background what chance do we have ?

    Also the UPA 2 has zero credibility. Its headed by a person who was the last guy to be aware of all the so called scams that have surfaced so far ? Dont you think he already has enough things to rectify in India rather than embarking on a Peace Journey with that intelluctually retarded Pak.

    Thanks,
    Yash.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    The Congress party and its formal and informal spokespersons were too happy when M M Joshi started taking interst in the 2G paras in the CAG report. At that time they thought ( and the intelligence agencies may also have fooled them) that MMJ was unhappy with the BJP leadership , may turn out to be a dissident and spoil the BJP plans to agitate on the issue.The PM got so excited that he suo- moto offered to appear before it and repeat his earlier performance before the TV Editors that “he is not that big a culprit as he is made out to be “.
    But unfortunately they miscalculated. MMJ took up his job in real earnest and started working on the CAG Findings. They got really worried when the decision to summon the Cab Sec , AG and Pr. Secy. to PM was taken And then the politics took over and the true motives of the Congress were exposed that all this while all the good words and their messages to the country , of the Doormat PM and his Appointing Authority were hollow and intended only to fool.
    After all the PAC is only empowered to investigate and inquire. It cannot impose punishment. It can only place its Report before the Parliament. Why the objection to inquire from those officials?
    But probably they have to too much to fear and hide ……. Kyuon Sirjee

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    the manner in which this episode has been acted out, is a clear indication of the determination of the corrupt to stop the long arm of inquiry and investigation from catching up with their loot.

    The manner in which Saifuddin Soz was ‘made’ Chairman as soon as MMJ vacated his chair was reminiscent of Sonia Gandhi’s “election” as the congress presidente, when Sitaram Kesari, the de-jure president had gone to the toilet to satisfy nature’s call. In that short duration he was overthrown and the palace coup was enacted

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Shenoy

    Making Saifuddin Soz chairman of PAC was a foolish idea.

    But Sh Joshi fell short of the expectation.

    PAC was to vet and validate if there was truly a “Loss of 1,70,000 crores to the Government as alleged by CAG.”

    End of the day, did we hear about that?

    Sh Joshi played a little politics. And other politicians played stupid politics.

    Eventually, it became a dirty and monkey business.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I believe Sitaram Kesari’s last dialogue before demise was “Mujhe potty nahi aati toh main Prashan Mantri hota ” :D

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Praveen

    1)
    “…when M M Joshi started taking interst in the 2G paras in the CAG report….”

    - I think we are mistaken about the role of the PAC. It’s not a choice. The CAG report is needed to be vetted by PAC, as a part of the process.

    Since it was a standard process, everybody said Let’s wait and see what opinion PAC has about “Loss of 1,70,000 crores to the Government” as suggested by CAG.

    2) Since it was headed by MMJ, a senior politician from BJP, there was no question about things being swept under the carpet.

    3) I believe PAC had no power to call the politicians. The PM offered himself to be questioned, if needed. he set the right tone for fair investigation.

    4) If anybody thinks that Sh Joshi would spoil BJP’s chance just because there was internal conflict in BJP, then that person is a fool and surely has no idea about Sh Joshi.

    Sh Joshi is no Amar Singh.

    Sh Joshi may keep himself away from the active politics, go back to teaching or immerse himself in the library…but he will never create trouble for BJP. He is too much a party man.

    5) In the constitution, there is a definite role for PAC and JPC. If there was no JPC, PAC could be empowered by the Parliament to go beyond its mandated role.

    Experience politicians knew that there would be conflict of authority if both PAC and JPC looked into the same case simultaneously.

    While JPC was not there, Sh Joshi could go beyond his mandated role after getting the nod from the Parliament. But once JPC was formed, then Sh Joshi should have vacated those areas on his own that JPC was to probe and discuss.

    But he did not. This created a mini crisis.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Mr Prabhat

    Pl allow me to quote certains extracts from the Rules which govern the Public Accouts Committee
    ” Functions of the Committee
    The Examination of the Appropriation Accounts relating to the
    Railways, Defence Services, P&T Department and other Civil
    Ministries of the Government of India and Reports of the
    Comptroller and Auditor-General of India thereon as also the
    Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor-General on Revenue
    Receipts mainly form the basis of the deliberation of the
    Committee

    The functions of the Committee extend however, “beyond, the
    formality of expenditure to its wisdom, faithfulness and
    economy”. The Committee thus examines cases involving
    losses, nugatory expenditure and financial irregularities.

    Working of the Committee
    The representatives of the Ministries appear before the
    Committee when examining the Accounts and Audit Reports
    relating to their Ministries. The Committee proceeds by way of
    interrogation of witnesses. The Comptroller and Auditor General
    is the “friend, philosopher and guide” of the Committee. He
    attends the sittings of the Committee and assists it in its
    deliberations

    There was nothing which MMJ was doing which was in excess of his jurisdiction. In fact it is his duty to do conduct a full Inquiry .The other issue is the motive of the Congress Party why should it object to an Inquiry? Why should it go such lengths to enact such drama of electing a Chairman which is patently illegal and liable to invite punitive action.

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    this prabhat is planted by congis to defend their loot and, faithfully he is doing that

    Gud show prabhat, congis must be singing “poora paisa vasool”

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Looking at the explanations provided by congressmen on PAC meeting yesterday, I can now safely say that JPC which has pro-congress majority will let UPA govt, go scotfree on 2G loot. This JPC will end up like like JPC that whitewashed bofors scam.
    We have no neutral mechanism to investigate or order investigation. Let us just look at the neutrality of some consitutional bodies-
    1. President – Elected by majority i.e. MPs and MLAs in support of govt. So this post can actually never override the present govt. plus current president seems to be a Nehru-Gandhi loyalist.
    2. Vice-President – Same as president.
    3. PM – He too has been handpicked by Sonia so we can’t expect anything from him.
    4. Speaker of Lok Sabha: Meira Kumar is indebted to Sonia for getting rehabilitated in Indian politics so she can pretend to be neutral but in reality she is just a pawn in Sonia’s hand.
    5. Parliamentary committees like PAC, JPC etc. are dominated by members from majority or blackmailed members of both houses.

    On top of that CBI, IB etc. work for govt and on its orders so there is only one body left that is partially free from govt.’s influence i.e Supreme Court. It is time SC constitute as SIT on 2G and investigate this matter on its own. This country has no faith in govt. and contitutional offices that have been usurped by Congress party led by mafia leader sonia.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Now SC will go a little slow on judicial activism.

    The SC realises because of the judicial activism, people have taken cue and have started disregarding the basic tenent of the constitution. In the long run, there could be dis-regard for general law too.

    In any case, 2G scam is being investigated under the direct supervision of the SC.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    When Congress has destroyed every constitutional institution in this country with the help of people like you, SC is the only hope for now.

    There has been a polarization going on in India right now. Most of the corrupt people are suddenly gathering under Congress and like minded parties umbrella.

    There are only three ways left-
    1. Fight the corrupt element legally but it is unlikely to yield 100% result.
    2. Non-violent massive protest running into years.
    3. Thru the barrel of the gun.

    I prefer the first two because I still have some faith left.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    Please don’t put me on such a high high pedestal that Congress can do things with my help.

    I told you I am just a simple political bystander.

    I get into a discussion if I have something to say. Else, I prefer the idle screen.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I said “people like you”….

    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Rajeev

    Do not blame the constitution and the system of governance. The governance deficit is due to the people manning it and in the end we have to blame ourselves to certain extent for from perfect governance as we elect people from within our society. Blaming this party or that is neither here nor there. Our system is only 60 years old – perhaps too short a time for to get it working perfectly.

    To reduce this deficit, a beginning has to be made by the political parties. No more candidates with suspect or undesirable credentials. Today, we are left with Hobson’s choice of one candidate worse than the other in many constituencies. People then go on to choose lesser of the multiple evils, even it has been the Congress party for about 50 out of 60 years. That has been the will of the people.

    Next, there should be state funding of the electoral expenses. Thirdly, administrative reforms to break the politician-bureaucracy-polic nexus. Finally, to revamp the justice system that has almost collapsed. Any form of Lok Pal bill is not going to help in reducing corruption, wrong-doings or misdeeds. Given the present scenario, these may sound like Utopian measures.

    Do you have a better governance model? If so, I would like to hear from you.

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    shan Reply:

    @satish, you have scored your own goal. on one hand you are asking the citizens to act a filter so that no lumpen gets elected , on the other hand you are asking political parties to fiels “clean” candidate.
    The problem is INDIA IS ESSENTIALLY A COUNTRY OF ILLITERATES. There is no debate , infact people are so weighed down by the grind of daily life , they hardly have any time to think over things.
    Also americans are no wiser , if they can elect dumbos like reagan and bush , and english are no clearheaded , electing thatcher year after year , when the upper half of the country is going down the pan. But despite all this GOVERNANCE IN G7 is a totally separate matter ,it goes on with its business .
    In India a class 12 pass airline pilot gets 3lakh per month , how much does an engineer or doctor get in a govt hospital. INDIA LACKS INTELLECTUALS , LACKS COMMONSENSE , AND AS THEY SAY COMMONSENSE IS THE GREATEST SENSE.

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    You have completely missed what I am saying and I am not surprised. There is no question of self goal. For example, in a constituency the Congress and the BJP put up candidates with questionable attributes, what choice do the people have. Our system does not provide for an option – none of the above as yet. Even if there was, how many would select that option? There cannot be a vacuum, we need to elect people to represent us.

    Your assertion that the India is essentially a country of illiterates (there was no need to shout by typing in caps) is insulting. BTW, today the literacy rate is nearly 74%, as per 2011 census. Do not ever make a mistake of equating literacy with wisdom. People of this country have been wise enough to decide who they want to be governed by and have also shown the door when the need arose. These very people, who it seems you despise and hold in contempt, in their collective wisdom, gave marching orders to Indira Gandhi in1977, the Janata Party in 1980, Rajiv Gandhi in 1989 and A B Vajapyee in 2004 to cite 4 examples. We will have to wait and see which way the nation votes in 2014. As I said, people choose the lesser of the multiple evils. Do not insult the choices made by the people whether it s the Congress, Reagan, Bush or Thatcher. Whether these people deserved to be elected or not is besides the point. By your logic, one can question as to why Modi has been elected twice, again.whether he deserved to be elected or not is besides the point.

    Do you have a better alternative than present system?

    Regarding your comment about pilots, doctors, engineers is untenable. No one is forced to work in Government organisations. If Pilots are paid Rs 3 lacs per month, who says doctors and engineers do not earn the same or much more in the private sector or in other countries. There are doctors who charge you Rs 5 to10 lacs for an operation. What about Sachin Tendulkar, who is also 12th or 10th pass. Isn’t he one of the richest Indians. Equating education and earnings is just on. Do you know that senior engine drivers, who pilot the Rajdhanis and the Shatabdis, earn much more than their bosses, who are more educated or more literate. To each his own.

    Your last sentence (again there was no need to shout) is laughable to say the least. If what you say is true, so be it, what can you or me do anything about it? Perhaps you can migrate (I wont) to a country where the country has intellectuals and has commonsense so that you can live happily ever after.

    shan Reply:

    @Satish, Just explain to me how criminals like raju bhaiya or sahabuddin gets elected. This means the elected representitives are as good as the electors. 71% is the figure which says the number who can read alphabets , but what is there to read , all of it is in English.
    Regarding the wage structure , this where Japan and germany differs from anglosaxon model ,market need not dictate all , for a society to be at ease with itself , the fundamental thing is Wage Parity .Tendulkar is a superstar , like film stars , he is one off , bring him to support your argument is facile. No wonder we are seeing so many Fake Licence Pilots , if that is the wage with so little to do (most of it is auto pilot).
    Also doctors in mumbai or delhi in pvt sector may be raking in , but this is not the case for someone posted in Jhumritillaiya.
    Also as much you are never shy of voicing your opinion about modi , how about placing the pilot’s wage in context with the child labourer beaten to death in delhi bindi factory.
    The point is pilot’s getting 3lakh is vulgar , just like bankers getting million pound bonus in west is vulgar when govt is bailing them ut. In AI case govt pours in billions to cover the losses , they might well as let AI fold , and save all those losses to pay for social sectors like child education and nutrition.

    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Shan

    Our system of justice has slowed down to almost grinding halt and person is presumed innocent unless pronounced otherwise by a court of law. It takes decades to conclude cases. The classic cases is 1984 Delhi riots and the recent P J Thomas’ case pending since 1995 or thereabouts. Unless the system is put in top speed and other measures taken, you will continue to have alleged wrongdoers getting elected. The sad fact is that no urgency has been shown by any party in power or collectively to speed up the system, by having more courts and judges. It suits them, as no party is clean as regards putting up candidates with questionable backgrounds.

    India has adopted the system of free economy. What person earns or what his value is depends upon his education, experience, talent, skills and most important being in the right place at the right time (this may be by choice or circumstances). It may also depends on what a person’s expectations are. If someone is happy earning Rs 15000 a month in a small town and is not interested in going to a metropolis where he may get Rs 100000 per month, it is choice.

    For example, there was a law whereby the Company directors’ remuneration was subject to approval of the Government of India and was pretty low, which resulted in corruption and the Companies cleverly hiding more payments in their books to pay more to the Directors in order to retain them and alsoless tax to the government. The system was discontinued. However, during NDA’s regime, the Company Affairs Minister (belonging to the AIDMK) reintroduced the system and made a pile to grant sanctions/approvals The then Prime Minister or the Cabinet did not or could not do anything about it. If you put limits on anything, then there is bound to be corruption and the people will find ways to get around it. A person gets what the Company can afford to pay him/her or what others are willing to pay for the services rendered. If Kinfisher or Jet are ready to pay Rs 3 lacs to a pilot, then AI has no choice to pay the same in order to retain their pilots. Of course, IMO, the Government should get out of all businesses. All the public sector undertakings must be sold off. The process is under though slower than required.

    You may consider it vulgar if a person(s) is/are getting X or more amount of money , then it is your problem. The tolerance level of vulgarity (whatever it is) varies from person to person. As they say, a thing that is vulgar to one may be thing of beauty to another.

    We have one too many problems and child labour is one of them because of poverty. Poverty cannot be eradicated overnight. The slogan by Indira Gandhi in the early 70s – Garibi Hatao to win support and elections – was just a slogan to fool the people. Perhaps in the next 20 to30 years, there will no instances of child labour.

    shan Reply:

    @Satish, your response reeks of undying faith in the MARKET. I do not deny the importance of the market , but as any textbook of economics will tell you there is a thing called MARKET FAILURE.
    As to pilot’s wages , this is classic demand and supply gap.The govt opened up the domestic sector ,flooding the sky with cheap travel , without preparing the infrastructure , ie, opening pilot training school here and there. In UK I know personally two doctors who have license to fly boeing 747. One does it as hobby , other actually flies on short routes ,and when off duty , does hospital short stint work. Same with director’s remuneration , it is bad morale for the workers on the shop floor. That is why japanese and germans , yes germans dont pay astronomical salary like the anglosaxons. Now anglosaxons dont have to think about shop floor ,because there is nomanufacturing , it is all done in CHINA with slave wages. The same problem sweden has also faced ,the gap between the managing director class and the average wage earner has increased considerably in recent times in sweden,the reflection seen in novels by stig larrsson,very left wing anti capitalist.

    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    If I have undying faith in something (not true), so what?

    No system is perfect. Which economy system is better and which is not, is too vast a topic to discuss here.

    Every system has good and bad attributes. One has to choose which has more positives than negatives. We tried the state-controlled economy until 1991/92 and it was not delivering. We have been experimenting the free economy since then, thanks to Narisimha Rao and Dr. Manmohan SIngh to usher in the reforms. IMO, it has been working and delivering much better. Moreover, having too many controls over people’s lives and democracy is an oxymoron. The Marxist system of economy concentrates power in fewer hands and gives rise to lot of corruption and inefficiencies. Look at the general state of public sector undertakings – they only bleed and use lot of tax payers money. The ones which are doing well have been given lot of autonomy (thank the politicians cutting across party lines). Do you konw, the Directors of IIMS, IITs and other institutions have to take permission of some nondescript joint secretary in Delhi, if they wish to travel abroad. These institutions produce the best trained personnel and its faculty (which can teach that joint-secretary a thing or two) is subjected to such humiliation. However, I am not sure whether such a rule is still in existence (it was at one time for years). This matter is best left to the Governing bodies of the institutions.

    If there are negatives or undesirable results or market failures in a system they need to be rectified.

    I do not know how old are you, in the olden days, one had to wait for years say to get gas cylinders, telephones and a whole range of essential items or you had to pay bribes or be well connected or be powerful to jump the queue.

    Regarding your repeated (I wonder why) references to high wages being paid to pilots, it depends how you look at it – as a negative or as a positive. In today’s globalised environment – the pilots and top flight company directors and managers and others too have the option of working in other countries at multiple times the wages they earn here in India. If some Indian company wishes to employ Indira Nooyi – the Pepsico CEO – they better be prepared to offer astronomical (vulgar in your lexicon) amounts of money. Be prepared to pay higher (vulgar) wages to retain the best.

    If you expect all the pilots and others to be “patriotic” and/or “nationalistic”, and should be prepared to work for lower wages in the interest of the nation, you surely are in living in a fool’s paradise. The two noble doctor friends, who command 747s as a hobby or on part time basis are in minority. The Hindi proverb – paancho ungliyaan baraabar nahin hoti is very apt. The world is a cruel place and human greed as old as human race and it has nothing with any type of economy and government system.

    As far as I am concerned, this diversionary discussion is closed.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Satish,
    The problem with Indian constitution is that there is no clear separation of power & there is no concept of conflict of interest. We can discuss each constitutional position with respect to separation of powers right from President. At the same time if we keep conflict of interest in mind, the JPC and PAC would have a very different structure which will not be based solely on majority.

    Currently it is Indian govt. who plays role in appointment of president, vice president, speaker, CEC and even SC judges. When there is any scam, the panels such as JPC and PAC have members from the party against whom the investigation is to be carried out.

    So my solution is two pronged-
    1. Separation of powers – This can be achieved by making election of president etc. independent of govt. i.e ruling alliance parties. There has be some methodology by which we should get independent constitutional authorities. The way congress imposed emergency fame Navin Chawla as CEC speaks volumes about this weakness in the system.

    2. Conflict of interest – The parliamentary panel to investigate scams such as 2G should comprise of members who have remotely no connection with the scam. The political parties who are under the radar for scams should never be part of such panel. These panels should be constituted as and when investigation is required and should be dissolved after the investigation. The non-parliamentary experts should be allowed to dissect the investigative report so that they can educate common Indians before govt. or opposition connive and junk or accept any report.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Rajeev,
    A quick question to you on #1 (“This can be achieved by making election of president etc. independent of govt. i.e ruling alliance parties. …”). Are you , by any chance , referring or alluding or aligning with a system similar to U.S. presidential elections ? If so, how do you explain grass-root Deomocrat frustration with Obama’s policies ? Specifically, its siding with big Banks. What checks and balances is the American President subjected to ? And what checks and balances are you proposing here ?
    On #2 : IMHO, determining Conflict of Interest may not be as easy as it may sound. And – more importantly – who decides that there is no conflict of interest ?
    That said , our only recourse at this point appears to being sensitive and raising hell on Conflict of Interest.
    Incidentally – those depraved classes for whom the state is supposed to work – are missing in this whole discussion . Somehow, as and when the corruption eats into state’s revenues and deficit gets questioned , the “safety net” schemes for depraved classes will the first ones to be axed.
    - Mahesh.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Correction :
    ” If so, how do you explain grass-root Deomocrat frustration with Obama’s policies ? Specifically, its siding with big Banks. ”
    Is supposed to be -
    “If so, how do you explain grass-root Democrat frustration with Obama’s policies ? Specifically, *his* siding with big Banks.

    Manohar Reply:

    There is clear separation of powers between the Legislature, the Executive and the Judiciary. In all the three, the concept of majority prevails is fundamental and there are enough built-in provisions in the Constitution that a brute majority cannot get away with laws that may be discriminatory or illegal. The Supreme Court is there to see that the Executive and the Legislature do not go haywire and abuse the provisions of the Constitution.

    Take for example, Gujarat government and the assembly has passed a bill making voting compulsory in local elections, which is unconstitutional, hence the Governor has refused to sign that bill into law. Even if he/she does and the President gives assent , the Supreme Court will surely strike it down. Whether compulsory voting is good and desirable can be discussed by us till the cows come home. It cannot be made into a law as of now. Imagine if there is a law for compulsory voting for Lok Sabha elections and say out 600 to 700 million registered voters, about 100 million do not vote. Where is the infrastructure and the manpower to prosecute and punish such a large number of people?

    In spite of the shortcomings and governance deficit, our parliament and the state assemblies in theor wisdom have passed very far reaching and excellent laws. The problem is in their implementation and enforcement. We can blame the politicians for it. However, who elects these politicians? Hence, one of my suggestions, the cleaning up has to start with the political parties. Will they, is a billion dollar question.

    I do not think there is any alternative to rule by majority If parliament or its panels by majority chooses to turn a blind eye to misdeeds of the Executive, there is nothing one can do about it, except protest (disruption of the parliament is not the way) and the people in the next election can show them the door and if they do not show them the door, thats it. As they say, we get a government we deserve. Please do not get the impression that I am condoning any misdeeds by any party in power, I am as appalled as you are of the scams and other wrong doings for decades. Improvement and higher standards of conduct have to come from within. The Supreme Court cannot impinge upon the independence of the legislature and the executive. It can only sit in judgments as to the laws passed or to certain extent of judicial activism, no more. It may be Catch 22 situation. However, there cannot be an authority (for example Lok Pal as proposed by Bhushan & Co.) above these three wings of the government – they are supreme.

    You mentioned non-parliamentary experts. The question is who selects them, on what basis and what powers they have to discharge their duties. Only a law passed by the the Parliament can do that.

    Over a period of time, many constitutional authorities have become independent. For example, the CAG since inception. Before the advent of T N Seshan, the Election Commission was a toothless body that use to conduct elections regularly in rather unsatisfactory manner (so many lives were lost, booth capturing, etc). He changed all that under the same laws. As Atal Behari Vajpayee had stated then that TN Seshan has put the fear of God in the politicians. Now our Election Commission is the envy of the world. I wish the same independence is available or asserted by the CVC, the CBI and others. Let us hope it happens sooner than later. One of the clauses that need to be removed in the prosecution of the elected representatives, the officers and others is the prior sanction by the Government/Governor.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Prabhat,
    You failed to answer me on sudden SP and BSP bonhomie to wriggle out congress out of this mess. Why do you think sworn enemies SP and BSP side with congress every time when congress is leaving no stone unturned to destroy these two parties in UP?

    I am pretty sure you will come up with some valid reason.

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  • Prabhat

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    A political action invites political reactions.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I’d prefer an answer on what makes SP and BSP side with congress… If you call this as political reaction, do you concede that SP and BSP are being blackmailed by congress… You being an honest congressmen should be as honest as Digvijay SIngh at least.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Some other time.

    Let’s keep the discussion around Pakistan and Kayani at this moment on this blog post.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Then you congressmen should stop yelling ‘MODI MODI’, ‘BANGARU BANGARU’ or ‘YEDDY YEDDY’ when we discuss misdeeds of this anti-national UPA govt.

  • shan

    @Rajeev , your exasperation at the collusion of BJP and Congress regarding PURULIA arms drop case has a simple answer.INDIA IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WHICH IMPORTS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ARMS , IT IS TECHNOLOGICALLY LAGGARD AND THUS CANNOT FLOOD THE WORLD WITH ITS JET FIGHTERS AND WHAT NOT.
    Thus India realises that if it cannot take on pakistan , what chance has it got against nuclear security council permanent members. These permanent members are aware they can sell arms to pakistan and cause massive pain to india’s goolies.

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  • maya

    by the way genius manohar and prabhat..

    why dont u reply and rebutt to the facts and logic…as shyam above siad…

    if u dont have brains i will ask my dog to be ur consultant for a few bones…

    like u brainless guys r for congress thives…

    atleast the bones will not come from congress loot of the public
    that evil creatures like u share…

    idiots parading their empty irrelvant posts

    about identity instead of taking on the contents with logic and facts…

    typical shameless congress species…oppose patriot modi who is feeding people
    and incorruptible that thse brainless goons dont want..even thives r not shameless like u

    they don not justify robbery by pointing to other thieves like prabhat does..

    and they risk being causght unlike congressis who cover up for each other
    to loot poorest country..

    and these dimwits dont know congress has a duty to enforce law and protect india’s money..

    instead they make switzerland rich…and arrrest poor peole who r forced to
    pickpocket to feed themselves…

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    Prabhat Reply:

    @Maya

    These blogs are on the public domain.

    Internet and blogs are going to be part of our daily life. All these postings would be there for a long long time and people will stumble across these blogs while searching the internet.

    Even the school children will be using these blogs to enhance their knowledge.

    I am not sure about your age…but I guess you are not in school.

    Think for a moment.

    How would a school student, who is trying to understand Indo-Pak relationship, would feel while searching content on for his class project and stumbles across the filthy and abusive contents posted by people.

    The student could be your younger brother / sister or even your own child !

    I believe we all have some responsibilities towards the young generation of the country.

    With prices of storage space falling, I believe HT is not going to delete these blogs for many many years to come. Or, rather never.

    So even people searching some relevant content are going to stumble across these filthy and abusive content !

    I am sure, you don’t want Indians to be abusive personified !

    You are a Patriot and Nationalist ! Ain’t you?

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    deepak Reply:

    good post maya..ur a real patriot ..and this evil creature talks about
    patriotism when u have shown he and his congress is worse than thives and traitors..

    tehy arrest poor hungry theievse whom they force into crime by looting their money and putting in swiss bank

    prabhat idiot u r a traitor..

    these posts expose u

    see how ur congress does its best to hide truth by buying pac mebers from bsp and sp..
    and see how sc slams it again and again…evil **** first ask ur congress to reveal swiss bank names…they tried to cover up hasan ali..

    just like it feeds u…

    forget abuse…in a sane law abiding country traitors like u and ur congress
    wuld be hanged…

    yeah now go and cheer digvijay for blaming rss for 26-11
    and rub woundsof martyrs unni and the constable who gave his life to arrest jkasab

    to thin they died to protect traitors like u…

    patriots shoul punish u and ur family to make them understand
    what the feelings of 26-11 r like

    and u talk of abuse on a board…

    so how much did hasan ali pay and digvijay from his jihadi loot
    used to fund terror as SC has said..

    and did u find out who ur rea lfather was from ur secular mother

    was his name also ali??/ u r worse than kasab u idiot..
    atleast kasab was a pakistani

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    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Reading more than dozen of your posts under various aliases, I am only wondering as to when are you going to smash your PC in anger (in full display here in 70mm) and put an end to your misery of having to abuse anyone who does not share your world-view?

    deepak Reply:

    satish u r a legend on the internet…just see how many agree with u on toi

    all disagree except the 7th century brainwashed wallas

    u r in great company…

    in fact this theory of secular hindu wives conceiving secular children
    outside wedlock ….was initiated by commenters commenting on u…

    and this is a valid theory
    hindu named peole like u who hate bjp hindus and modi without any raeson can only be explained by adulterous sperm migration

    and the muslims beleive in this method with kafir women…

    no wonder to u poverty of india is not important…only islamic hatred against bjp is
    reflecting ur 7th century communal mindset against kafirs… its in ur blood man

    it is u who r miserable…ur mother named u satish to hide ur conception
    from ur real hindu father…

    i pity u for being a laughing stock on the internet before millions except ur 7th century freinds..

    what u call my anger is just serving u just desserts for being a traitor..all because of
    ur mother who found ur secular father to be a eunuch without balls..

    i feel great that u disagree with me…i would like to be in the company of millions of
    educated hindus rather than 7th century holy warriors…

    and u call us internet trolls….what a joke…

    Satish Haldankar Reply:

    Deepak tale andheraa.

    shalu Reply:

    satish is that the best u can do against deepak…

    if u knewwhere he lived….u and ur 7th century brainwashed real dad….

    would go and kill him with ur sword right…

    yeah only ur mfhusain ahs aright to free dom to paing hindu goddesses nude..

  • Prabhat

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    Dimple>>Maya>>Deepak>>Maya

    Good swinging.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~ :D :D :D ~~ :D ~~~ CHOR CHOR !! MAUSERE BHAI ~~~ :D :D :D ~~ :D

    INTERNET MUSHAIRA, ALL INVITED TO CONTRIBUTE !!

    @ Shenoy (our royal poet), Praveen ( new lyric writer), Vinodji (real poetic talent being wasted in COngressi praise) , Pankaj, Dr Anand, Rajiv, Rajeev and others

    I am announcing an internet mushiara on this site on two of our pet topics– Corruption and our corrupt neighbour. I am giving the first two paras. Please enjoy and contribute !! :) :)

    ~~ PAC ne jab Congress ki vaat lagayi
    BSP, SP rescue par aayi
    Chor Chor mausere bhai
    Bhaiya, CHor chor Mausere bhai !! :D :D

    ~~ LeT jab Mumbai aayi
    NSG ne uski Vaat lagayi
    Tab Digvinash, Antulay, Burney uski rescue par aayi
    Chor Chor mausere bhai
    Bhaiya, Chor chor mausere bhai !! :D :D

    Cmon guys let us expose all these chors and thier brothers !!

    :D :D :D

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay

    ~~ PAC ne jab Congress ki vaat lagayi
    BSP, SP rescue par aayi
    Chor Chor mausere bhai
    Bhaiya, CHor chor Mausere bhai !!
    Par Congress ki anokhee dhidhayee
    afzal ajmal unke bhai

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    :) @ Praveen

    Afzal Ajmal unke bhai
    ISI, Pa-ki Govt. ki shaamat aayi
    Jab Osama ko Allah ne awaaz lagaayi
    Chor Chor Mausere bhai !! :) :)

    :D :D :D :D

    Shame on Pakistanis and thier lovers ! :D

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  • deepak

    hi maya this is deepak

    good post maya..ur a real patriot ..and this evil creature talks about
    patriotism when u have shown he and his congress is worse than thives and traitors..

    tehy arrest poor hungry theievse whom they force into crime by looting their money and putting in swiss bank

    prabhat idiot u r a traitor..

    these posts expose u

    see how ur congress does its best to hide truth by buying pac mebers from bsp and sp..
    and see how sc slams it again and again…evil **** first ask ur congress to reveal swiss bank names…they tried to cover up hasan ali..

    just like it feeds u…

    forget abuse…in a sane law abiding country traitors like u and ur congress
    wuld be hanged…

    yeah now go and cheer digvijay for blaming rss for 26-11
    and rub woundsof martyrs unni and the constable who gave his life to arrest jkasab

    to thin they died to protect traitors like u…

    patriots shoul punish u and ur family to make them understand
    what the feelings of 26-11 r like

    and u talk of abuse on a board…

    so how much did hasan ali pay and digvijay from his jihadi loot
    used to fund terror as SC has said..

    and did u find out who ur rea lfather was from ur secular mother

    was his name also ali??/ u r worse than kasab u idiot..
    atleast kasab was a pakistani

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    Prabhat Reply:

    I like the name Dimple.Maya a little.

    But surely not Deepak.

    Why don’t you keep posting under the alias Dimple?

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    deepak Reply:

    prabhat…

    u are concerned about kids reading this??/

    wow what concern

    raeding ur post on congress corruption kids will learn how to steal
    and justify it

    for someone who teaches his kids to steal
    and then justify it by making allegations at others, ur concern is touching

    even thieves dont stoop so low but that is how u admit and justify
    congress loot of poorest country
    u sure r agreat secular father with very secular women whom my muslim
    friends r waiting for.. to conceieve more seculars like u..

    graet concern about abuse too now go and give a bharat ratna to mfhusain for painting hindu
    goddesses nude..congress laraedy gave him a secular padmasree like they did
    barkha and teesta…very secular women just like those in ur family..

    ur kids will be qualified to be in congress like ur family women..

    may be MFHusain can paint them too..

    u deserve the secularist of the century award..

    congrats…

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    Dinesh 2 hours ago
    DON’T BLAME CONGRESS. Congress is as innocent as SNAKES, because they don’t feel pain of Snake bite to Victims. We Indians are addicted to SNAKE BITES.
    6 people liked this.

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  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    Action Reaction

    May be not as precise as they are in Physics but International Relations do have laws of Action and Reaction. We will do well to keep that in mind when discussing Kayani Ki Kahani.

    Our own patriotic fervour, both at individual level as well as at media level, stops us from closely scrutinising Actions of our own country and we are very eager to micro analyse the deeds of our arch enemy. In this context, Action can be considered as India’s desire to establish a regional hegemony and India’s Afghan policy is one element of that. Pakistan Reacts to this by trying to stop or reduce India’s Afghan policy from working. It has its own hegemonic ambitions or it acts as an agent for China’s regional ambitions.

    Kayani is pursuing Pakistan’s Afghan policy whilst at the same time damaging India’s Afghan policy. Any body in Kayani’s position would have followed same or similar actions.

    Afghan Taliban are mere tools created to enact and deliver dividends of that policy.

    To expect anything different from him would be naive.

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    shan Reply:

    To expect ISIAgent and Shan Kuttar to say anything detrimental about Pakistan is naive.

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    Prabhat Reply:

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    I do not think we really expect anything different from Kayani.

    For India, Pakistan and Kayani should be just incidentals. As I said before, India must move on beyond and inspite of Pakistan.

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Prabhat

    I absolutely agree with you.

    However, it is not easy for India to progress inspite of Pakistan, considering it is a beligerant neighbour.

    But what is possible, is to devote a very limited amount of resources to Pakistan and the rest to economic growth.

    In my opinion that is exactly what India has been doing for the past few years.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    India recognises Pakistan being a small irritant and impediment in her growth story.

    That’s the reason most of PM’s, cutting across the party lines, have engaged Pakistan in peace talks.

  • V.K.CHAWLA

    Murli Manohar Joshi reappointed PAC chairperson

    Dinesh 2 hours ago
    DON’T BLAME CONGRESS. Congress is as innocent as SNAKES, because they don’t feel pain of Snake bite to Victims. We Indians are addicted to SNAKE BITES.
    6 people liked this.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Obama says Justice has been done . We have killed Osama Bin Laden
    Govt of India says Justice is being done. We will not allow any harm to Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Praveen Saxena

    We must locate Osama’s grave. I want to send my doing there for susu and potty !! :D :D

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    We must locate Osama’s grave. I want to send my dog there for susu and potty !!

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    Prabhat Reply:

    It’s in sea.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Prabhat

    Sagar kinare
    mera doggie dhaar maare :)

    Osama ke yaad mein
    ISI seena phaade… :)

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay

    Why send him so far. He can have the same joy closeby.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Jis sagar mein
    Osama waqt guzare

    wahi hamara doggie
    Dhaar maare :)

  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Atleast we shud outsource sending Afzal to jannath
    becz Our NAPUMSAK leaders will never hang him

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~ :) :) ~~ ONE EVIL JEHADI PIG GONE ~~~ BUT 10,000 MORE SURVIVE IN PAK-SHIT-STAN ~~:) :) ~

    All apologists of Pakistan inlcuding Manmohan Singh who talked of engaging this Mafia country, please hang down thier head in shame. Osama bin Laden, the world’s no 10 terrorist ( the first ten being Dawood Ibrahim, Riaz Kashmiri, Hafeez Saeed etc etc) has been killed. Let us celeberate and dance on his death since this “shit of a pig” also targeted India and Indians.

    CONGRATULATIONS brothers !! :D :D :D

    But even as we sing and dance, our task remains incomplete. We should immediately

    a) Plan and induce the Americans to dismantle this evil enterprise called Pak-shit-stan.

    Since we live right next door to this mad rabid dog of a country and also suffer from a weak willed leadership, we need to adopt a Chanakay niti of getting the US to do our work.

    RAW can be used with intelligence.

    It is possible that some idiots like Khushwant Singh and Mani Aiyar may say that Osama was a third world guy fighting imperialism. For a change let us throttle these intellectual constipates !! :D :D

    AAO JHUME GAYEN…
    Osama ki maut kas jashn manaye !! :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    it is learnt that Ram Vilas Paswan, the fake secu, has shut himself inside a room and is refusing to talk to anybody, as he is said to be devastated by the news of his friend, Osama’s death. Unconfirmed reports say that he has vowed to wage war against the imperialist Satan with the help of Maoist army, Arundhati Roy and other human rightists. SMS’s are said to be pouring in in the inbox of Ram Vilas’s mobile, saying, “Netaji (?), aap sangharsh jyari Rakho, upvaas math thodo, hum aap ke saath hain”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    :) You are right on spot..what about Justice Kachchar?

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy

    I am also told that Arundhati Roy is now quickly penning an unreadable 56 page essay for OUTLOOK which pitches Osama as a social reformer ! :)

    As for Ram Vilas, doctors say that he has gone into deep state of constipation which will probably open up in case he hears some other devastating news– maybe when friend Dawood Ibrahim is
    given a jhatka ! :)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Inshah Allah! Subah Nallah!!

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    ram Reply:

    shenoy, vijay

    Diggy was saying its RSS with the help of Mosad killed OSAMA, and he is asking for full CBI inquiry on that (Since pak army is full of Peace luving ppl, defenitely they may not have supported OBAMA to eliminate OSAMA)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Ram,

    Digvinash has just phoned up Antulay and Burney to create a new story that it was not Osama who was killed, but an innocent labourer whose only crime was that he looke d similar. That is why the body has been disposed so fast !! :D

    Just watch out for relase of GOlmaal 4 starring Digvinash and his crooks ! :D

  • B.V.SHENOY

    I have been able to look inside the minds of various VIPs and all of them are coining appropiriate comments, some samples of which are as follows:

    Gen.Kayani: humein tumse pyaar kitna, yeh hum nahin jaante
    magar ji nahin sakte tumhare bina (phir bhi, kisi tarah ji lenge hum).

    MMS: Osama had many admirers in India and I send my sincere condolences to all of them.

    Obama: Now onwards, there will be no confusion in the minds of friends or foes. There will be only one: O-B-A-M-A.

    Bejaan Daruwala: I had predicted in 2002 itself that Osama’s death may come anyday.

    Geelani, the Pak PM: Now that the bone of contention has been removed, there will be only ‘maas’, which I love.

    George Bush: In the next elections, we will remove OBAMA too.

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    Prabhat Reply:

    -
    Terrific !!!

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy :)

    and the big question… how will Vinod Sharma react? Would he choose to downplay the news since it implicates Pakistan?

    Or will he say .. one Terrorist gone… but 9999 more to go !

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    A message from Vinod Sharma from his summer resort in Kulu valley, which has been intercepted by the Al Jazeera TV:

    “aisi sankat ki ghadi mein hamein yeh sochna hai ki kya yeh ek match fixing ki namoona hai? Kya, jaise hi maine “Kayani Ki Kahani” likhi, Kayani ne ek aur hi kahani likh daali? Ab America duniya ko kya jawab dega?”

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Kayani ki kahani toh purani ho gayi ….

    Change the blog !!

    World’s no 10 terroist is killed. The first nine– Dawood, Riaz bhatkal, Hafeez saeed, Musharraf… etc still alive. Let’s go for them !!

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    ram Reply:

    no vijay now vinod will write an article in support of OSAMA (for which he will produce VCD authenticated by some lab) for that he will get left right centre frm bloggers, then he will write one more article “SLAMMED FOR DILLIGENT”

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Pak PM Gilani , ” The death of Osama is big setback to global terror”
    Manmohan Singh ” Act without fear or favour and book even the high and mighty ” to CBI officers
    Sonia Gandhi ” We will not tolerate corruption”
    Abhishake Singhvi- “Congress has never broken the traditions of Parliamentary democracy”

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Syed Ahmed Bukhari, Imam of Jama Masjid said: “When did any court of law in the world convict Laden of terrorist activities.

    wht an applause this cartoon deserves

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    ~~~ :D :D ~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! BREAKING NEWS !! BREAKING NEWS !! ~~~ :D :D ~~~

    Al Jazzera reprts that Pakistani PM Gilani has been observed doing bhangra after Osama’s death !!

    WHY ?? WHY ?? WHY???

    Is he happy that Osama has said ALvida???

    No good God no !!

    Gilani’s exact words : ” ha ha ha (giggles) By the grace of the almighty… Osama’s death has taken the focus on my molesting Sherry Rehman… ha aha hee… the bloggers of Seperated at Birth will not focus on my “inappropriate’ behaviour…. ha ha ha”

    So Shenoy Sahab, today u will see a smiling Gilani !! :) :)

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  • Ajit Vadakayil

    Hi,

    Punch into gooogle search ANNA HAZARE’S JAIL BHARO ANDOLAN UNJUSTIFIED- VADAKAYIL
    Show some balls PM Manmohan Singh.
    Prove Advani wrong!

    Capt Ajit Vadakayil
    ..

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  • anil

    Non violence can be a greatest asset or greatest curse (without glorifying violence) at the same time.

    Greatest force for obvious reason and understandable.

    Greatest curse (if non-violence coupled with no law and order, no responsibility, no accountability etc.) because people are expected to be quiet sitting duct thus there are other forces who just like that to advance their agenda. Indian crook political class is one of such forces. I am sure you can name few more.

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  • anil

    [Why suddenly people in Gandhi’s India, known world over for their tolerance, are venting their anger, their views by throwing shoes, slapping people, or even throwing black ink on someone? Have we lost all non-violent arms of protest, demonstration that we have to come down to this low?]

    You are wrong. People world over now know them mostly because they prefer mafia to democracy, crooks to honest responsible citizens and are charlatans. Not everybody going to believe it because you just happen to believe it. Just look at your media how they play second fiddle to the crooks and are not ashamed of running paid news service for survival.

    Gandhi is a misplaced personality in history – Indian politicians are just proving that day in day out.

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  • Gyan

    non violence was never a greatest force in India. It sounds so sweet, but there has always been corruptions and violence deep undercover. Gandhi never led India, gandhi led only the Congress party.Not even the party: a few followers in the party, becos most leaders in the concgress party were opportunists.

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  • bose dk

    For how long would you keep repeating the lie that Indian society is a tolerant society? For thousands of years, low castes have suffered under the oppression of upper castes, mental harassment, physical torture, economic deprivation, hunger and sickness. You may say that Indian society tolerates huge amount of violence – so in that sense, it is tolerant, if you can watch people dying in the neighbourhood of hunger and famine and yet walk away nonchalantly.

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  • Kushal

    Looks like we’re back at stage 4, Kanika. Sad face.

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  • hyde

    I am smiling, not because of the monsoon’s whims, but at the way you wrote it. :-)

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  • masha

    First time in Mumbai during the monsoons and my husband has decided I’ve finally completely lost it.. I spend my time poking my head out of the window and whining “Why is not here yet? When will it rain like they show in the movies?” and my poor dear husband says “Wait, it is only June. By the time September comes by you’ll be driving me up the wall asking why isn’t the monsoon over yet.”
    Alas, the first proper day of monsoon, as in the first day it rained so heavily on a weekday is the one day I’m in Calcutta. :( It’s hot and so humid here that a mere 5 min trip outside the airconditioned environs of my hotel has me running to drink water and take baths (2 down, 2 to go). But on the plus side, I get to have rolls, phuchka, churmur and aloor dom so it isn’t that bad really..
    P.S. When will it rain like they show in the movies?

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