Cause Celebre — a replay of 1983



This blog may kindly be read as a letter to M S Dhoni’s boys. They’ve done us proud. Never before in recent memory did India rise as one, barring of course our maiden world cup victory in 1983 in England and Sunny Gavaskar equaling Sir Don Bradman’s record of 29 centuries in Delhi the same year and overhauling it shortly thereafter against the West Indies in Chennai.

It is strange that when we recall 1983, we often forget to mention Gavaskar, of whom noted commentator Harsha Bhogle once said: “His numbers were stellar, but more important, to a country starved of self-respect, he was a godsend….”

I couldn’t agree more. Gavaskar’s sporting glories were a matter of national pride. He was the hero of we hadn’t had for a long, long time. I’d often compare him those days with Nehru as cricket’s Jawahar. He was overwhelmed when I told him that at a recent meeting.

I was in the stands at Delhi’s Ferozeshah Kotla when Gavaskar joined the pantheon of all time greats. Cricket aficionados rate that hundred of his among the very best, if not the best ever by any batsman. His footwork was picture perfect. Singularly Gavaskarisque was the flair with which he hooked the short balls of that ferocious duo— Malcolm Marshall and Michael Holding. The century was memorable also because a Marshall bouncer had had Sunny’s bat flying in the previous Test at Kanpur, the city where his in-laws lived.

Once in the dressing room after the memorable innings, Sunny was gracious enough to grant to yours truly the first interview upon equaling Bradman’s record. I was then with the Malayala Manorama’s The Week magazine that destroyed over 50,000 printed copies to stop press and put Gavaskar on the cover.

So much so that the legendary cricketer also helped me speak to his wife Marshneil, who named Madan Lal as her favourite cricketer for being the fighter that he was on the field.

Cut to circa 2011. We had Sachin in place of Sunny (though both didn’t do well in the finals) on the verge of his 100 th Test-ODI ton and Yuvraj matching Kapil Dev’s all-rounder profile. There were others whom one could compare with Krish Srikant, Mohinder Amarnath, Sandeep Patil, Roger Binny, Syed Kirmani and Madan Lal; the difference being that the 1983 win was the bowlers’ achievement in a low-scoring match.

But the big picture was no different. India’s proud and on an unprecedented high after wresting the Cup again! The victory came when the national mood was low amid a welter of superlative scams. We needed a cause celebre. And Dhoni’s team gave us one.

But should Gautam Gambhir not have been named Man of the Match for his gritty 97 that encouraged Dhoni to promote himself in the batting order for a scintillating knock?

On an afterthought, it doesn’t really matter. The Cup is for the whole of India. Dhoni’s boys won it. We have it.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This blog is perfect example why political journalists should not comment on sports.

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Everyone,

    Congratulations! on winning the world cup and many thanks for inviting few of us over the semi final match.

    Warm Regards,
    Usman
    Pakistan

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    Rajeev Reply:

    What do you think about Afridi’s rant?

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    A bit negative on Shahid’s part by using terms as “not large hearted” or “no long term relations” with India. I dont have firm grip as he claims his quotes were taken out of context.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/cricket/world-cup-2011/I-have-been-quoted-out-of-context-Afridi/iccworldcup2011-dontmiss/SP-Article10-681421.aspx

    Rajeev Reply:

    Usman,
    I think it is more to do with Afridi’s education. It looks like pakistani team is always eager to show how muslim it is.
    I don’t know how non-muslims survive in pakistani team.
    The good thing is that Afridi’s statement was condemned in pakistan as well.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Usman

    First thanks for your greetings for our world cup final victory. I live in Mohali and I had watched the semi-final.
    Well , in a lighter tone, while taking a dig at Pakistan players in a more matured way,I think Yuvraj Singh has very properly conceded that , yes, Pakistani players do have a big heart. It was for this quality, they could drop so many catches in the semi-final for our benefit. It is only a large hearted person can do this act , as for not having shown such big heart, India may not have reached the finals. In the same context, yes, we were not large hearted enough to have gifted the match to Pakistan on a platter.
    But all said, it is an unforgettable image to see Mr. Afridi chewing the cricket ball in full view of cameras in Australia(or somewhere else). How such a person can command respect from the people from this and the other side of the border?
    Regards
    BNA

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Dr Anand,

    Your light tone satirical response is a message between the lines. I wish such display of large heartedness is not to be repeated next time the two sides meet. :)

    Yes, as a sportsman and (especially) as a captain, Shahid has to over come his image of chewing the ball or spoiling the pitch with a strong discipline. Whenever under media coverage such queries of response and welcome have to be dealt in a positive manner. I too take serious note over such remarks where no room should be given for mis-interpretation causing misunderstanding especially where slight tilt is percieved as wayward. But what I too believe and witnessed was the volley of speculations from Indian media; painting him an immediate culprit thus making mountain out of molehill. Despite his clarification to indian tv channel NDTV he couldn’t reclaim his earlier image where he asked his fellow countrymen to introspect their views about India. Hope he won’t live upto his myopic remarks of “large heartedness”; that all i can wish.

    Usman

    Gaurav Reply:

    Well… Gavaskar may be Nehru… but Tendulkar is certainly Advani… he transformed an average team to a team which could challenge the might of any team in the world. Just like Advani transformed BJP from a party of 2 seats to a party which challenges Congress on a daily basis… Something which people like Vinod Sharma don’t like :D :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Gaurav,

    without meaning to, you might have committed secular sacrilege by comparing Tendulkar with Advani, who is the bug bear of all secular journalists and politicians. Can you make suitable amends?

    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Usman,

    Thanks! But why did’nt you come????

    The Indo Pak encounter was cricket at its best.

    Anyway most Indians are saddened by Afridi’s volte face. He had won so many fans by his earlier comments on India… but he just tarnished his own image.

    Hope Pakistan uses sports to overcome its Talibani challenge, as hardliners always find sports, especially women in sports, a challenge to their power…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    It is actually Afridi’s double volte face.

    He is now blaming everybody else, except LeT, JUD, Kayani and ISI.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    After so many volte faces, we may as well call him Shaaaayad Aaaafridi.

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Vijay,

    Find you remarks welcoming. Couldn’t be there at the occasion because of some domestic concerns.

    Afridi’s comments are looked down upon even though he claims his words were taken out of context criticizing more on the media part then the people and politics. I wish he wouldn’t have actually meant it in a harsh manner. I claim no grip over the matter. To me sportsmen and showbiz personalities are respective ambassador’s of their countries; who should play positive role in bringing down tensions by bridging differences.

    Usman

  • http://- Rajeev

    I am pretty sure Vinod Sharma and other congressi journalist will use this WC win to deflect people’s attention from Congress’s scam. Beware India..The paid political journos are there to co you once again.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Please watch Afridi’s rant and also notice claps on his comment. This is perfect slap on the face of opportunist paid brahmin journalists like Sharma. I thank Afridi for this tight slap.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KCnOue3Mxg
    Just for information, it was rumored that Afridi’s cousin was a terrorist who was killed in Kashmir.

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    Shailesh Reply:

    Who cares for these loosers ? More ever, Pakistanis are unique characters and suffer from an over active imagination as reality of today’s pakistan is too shameful and embarassing for them to accept. This joker suffers from ‘attention deficit’ syndrome thats why sometimes he start eating ball and sometimes declares retirement and than reverses next day and than again declares retirement in the middle of a test match. He would do anything to get attention. He might have a frustrated afgan saying this so he said about India.There is more to come. HAhahahh. They are smouldering from inside.

    Yes I have read the reprt about his cousin being killed in an encounter in Kashmir.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Shailesh,

    A very good psycho-analysis of the Pakistani nation and also the person of Afridi. What you have said is 100% true.

    Afridi, to my mind, is a boor, a charlatan, an unpolished, uncultured crudity. He might have ensnared batsmen from other countries like Canada, Kenya and Holland, but his charm has never worked on India whether in bowling or batting. In the semi-final, even his much vounted captaincy failed him and the Pakistani people, who were banking on him to “finish off” India at least on the cricket maidan.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Very bad. Very bad. You need three takes to abuse one man. I really, really feel sooo sad for you ji. Don’t try again, you are only embarrassing yourself Mr confused mass of protoplasm.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    What the hell you are talking? I did not abuse anyone.
    You are being a joker.

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    Daisy Boy Reply:

    Afridi, it seems, was on an exploration trip, looking for possibilities of merging Pakistan with India. All that he could gather was support for friendship, not merger, so out of frustration, poor chap, had to come out with those remarks. To embarass the Zardari govt, the **** Opposition might have paid him more than what N Modi promised his half citizens (M Patel & Y Pathan – 50 lakhs each whereas all Congress-ruled states have promised a crore each to their champs).
    ‘83 Champs are the children of the Permit Raj era – whereas the ‘11 Champs are products of a Reformed Market age – look at their earnings and lifestyles – it is a socio-economic comment on the 80s and this century.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    this is a known fact that Pakistanis are class losers and cry babies , so they wont actually accept their mistakes when you talk of losing the match , but would blame several unrelated factors for their loss.

    Afridi’s comments = height of jealousy

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    “i would often compare him those days with Nehru as Jawahar of cricket”

    Vinod , need not prove again and again that you are a congressi journo

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @paritosh
    pl stick to the subject Mr Partisan-Oaf.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharma,
    Why don’t you stick to politics? Sports is not your domain. Don’t pollute this domain with your filthy political mind.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Can I call you Rajee Y rpt Rajee Y as you don’t like to give your full name? Hope that will be okay with you.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sure. Why not, you can call me Rajeev Hussain or Rajeev Singh or Rajeev Omega or Rajeev Y? It doesn’t matter because caste means nothing to me.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    Then what about Rajeev Gandhi :) ), Rajeev Ram (like Jagjivan Ram), Rajeev Togadia (like Praveen Togadia), Rajeev Modi (like Narendra Modi), and Rajeev Godse (like you know whom)? I think even Rajeev Yadav will do ….no? Pl give me your choice. After all its about your name —- though it may not matter to you :) ) :) )

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    You can call me any name. I am not hung on name. How about you call me Rajeev Sharma?

  • Rajiv

    Mahendra Singh Dhoni.

    Thats it, if I have to pick one individual, who has shaped Indian cricket in last 4 years.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Afridi’s cousin was a terrorist who was killed by BSF…May be terrorist in Afridi is speaking these venomous words.
    http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=24618

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    To all others
    Will somebody put a cellophane tape on this foul-mouth.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Are you embarrassed that Afridi’s cousin was a terrorist?
    Why don’t somebody put ‘Superglue’ in this senile man’s mouth and shut all his holes?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Do you smoke a pot Mr Rajeev Y? Pl tell me the secret of your hyper ways Rajeev Y.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharma,
    I don’t smoke anything but to me it looks like you are always drunk and high on congressi drugs.
    You are lazy and lethargic unlike me. I don’t believe in status quo and won’t sell my soul whereas you being aged are ready to sell yourself for some post in useless commission.
    How can we expect you to write anything against congress, who has given you job in minority commission?

  • Saarthak

    Now that Anna Hazare is going on a fast unto death unless the Congress passes the Jan Lokbal bill with tougher amendments, I’m sure the Congress sock puppets will find reason enough to call him a “troll” and “khakhi knickerwallah”. Anyways, these people will soon pee in their pants (pardon the language) when Hazare’s fast becomes a mass movement. The CONgress was hoping to bask in the reflected glory of our cricketers accomplishment but that will certainly not be the case now.

    All those who’re against corruption in India can follow @janlokpal on twitter and the join Facebook page titled “India against Corruption”

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    Rajeev Reply:

    We may see NIA charging Anna Hazare in Mecca masjid blast case.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Anna Hazare must now be ‘protected’ by volunteers who are fully fed 24/7. The CBI/NIA are not unknown for kidnapping and encounter-killings.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Shenoy Saheb
    A big tide (or tsunami) is brewing .The movement is originating from the grass root level.May be the people wanted some apolitical person to take charge and who can be better than Mr. Anna Hazare. This movement surely gives an outlet to the frustrating feelings of people against the numerous scams which have overtaken the country.I only wish and pray that he is not branded as another “knickerwallah” and the media, especially the Tehelka do not come out with some sort of sting to prove this.

    BNA

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod Sharma will now call Anna Hazare Sanghi. I am waiting for this senile congress journos to shoot his mouth.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    Bhaiya ji hamen bhi kuch gaaliyan sikhado taa key hum apka sahi sey mukabala kar saken :) ) Lagta hai aapke parivaar mein gaali dene ki parampara kafi strong hai :) )

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    No I will never call him a sanghi. If I have to abuse him, I will call him Rajeev Y. Ha ha haa haaa. :) )

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Good. If you call him Rajeev Y, I’ll be honored. BUT I will always call you paid journo.
    - Rajeev Sharma (your son-in-law)

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  • Adhiraj Khan

    I agree with the author that Gambhir deserved the man of the match. If he hadn’t steadied the innings, subsequent batsmen would be under immense pressure. Virat didn’t look very comfortable throughout the innings. But all said and done, the team has done what they set out to do. India has finally won the World Cup after 28 years, and in what convincing fashion! Hats off!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Without trying to belittle Gambhir’s superlative performance, Dhoni, in my opinion, was the right choice, baby. He not only gave confidence to Gambhir and encouraged him to go beyond the call of duty, himself performed par-excellently, and moved the Indian innings with the required speed and direction to clinch the much deserved victory well ahead of the close.

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  • guest

    It was interesting reading and useful for cricket lovers to know some aspects of the path that led to this second victory in the WC and by no means the last.There will be new heroes surfacing with the passage of time,facing new challenges and challengers and be acclaimed as the greatest. Cricket is now reaching more countries and more people.and there will be surprises. Comparisons will then be made.and debated.. Notwithstanding, for me Kapil Dev leading his country to one of the great victories in world cricket on foreign ground can never be erased. His name is permanently etched in the minds of every cricketing fan in the world. That ’s also when india became a cricketing power and a threat to the established powers. The next is the rise of Sachin Tendulkar and the smashing century at the Sydney gorund and becoming the youngest to score a century on that ground. Then comes another heroic feat by a stoic gentleman cricketer and which many may have forgotten but almost all aussies remember-Rahul Dravid captain leading his team single-handedly to a test victory over the aussies for the first time on their favourite ground in Adelaide.Rahul scored a double century and the aussies a great sporting group of people celebrated Rahul and his classic feat.. Finally I do agree that GG richly deserved to be man of the match. GG is turnjng out to be a player for all seasons and a batsman equal to the best.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    I found the comparison of Gavaskar with Nehru somewhat interesting so I thought to add some more details although on a slightly different note.
    Gavaskar used his clout to promote his son although less than deserving. So did Nehru to promote his own family.
    Gavaskar had foreign currency tumbling out of his locker at the Bombay Gymkhana and the case was hushed up. Nehru used his clout to hush up the scams of his government .( Krishna Menon”’s Jeep Scandal)

    Of course we all respect S Gavaskar for being one of the finest cricketers of the country . About Nehru ….well can’t say…..

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Nice blog…

    Though I wondered if it was necessary to get Chacha Nehru into the picture… But maybe you did so because you are his fan !

    But then how would you feel if I were to call MS DHoni, the Atal Bihari Vajpayee of Indian cricket! :D

    I think for a change we should keep this non political. Of course all politicians have a right to bask in the reflected glory of our champs as much as you and me. :)

    Our bowling does look a bit weak. WOnder why our coaches do not realise that bowling requires a bit of trickery and jugglery. In today’s game, bowlers with smooth actions are easily deciphered.
    WHile acrobats and strange actions like Malinga, Murli, Mendis, Kumble are hard to read. Unless you have the pace of Steyn….

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxena, Vijay Kumar,

    Please do not fault Vinod Sharma about his adulation for Nehru.
    Try to visualise the India of the seventies and eighties.
    Congressmen had only Nehru as a hero and an idol who could be worshipped. Indira Gandhi was still a work-in-process.
    He had charm, good looks, ‘leadership’ and more important, pedigree. No wonder congressmen made their children sing, “chacha Nehru zindabad” at any and every opportunity.

    Then in the late eighties and nineties, they had more from the Nehru stable, calling themselves Gandhis. The ‘zindabad’s are now reserved only for the mother-son duo.

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    nehru Dynasty television has given sixteen pictures of the clown prince in the “aam aadmi’ stall”

    When the top slot of the country is fixed for this “Aam aadmi” I think we are headed for Gadaffi and Hosni MUbarak styled democracy.

    “WE ARE A DEMOCRACY AS LONG AS U VOTE FOR ME ! ” :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    When I saw that picture on NDTV, I just smiled and moved on.
    These congressi journos think all Indians have low IQ like Rahul.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    I have a request to make to you. Pl don’t be derisive towards anybody and everybody that I praise. Now you have problems with Sunny but you conveniently forget the customs duty controversy over an expensive car Sachin brought home.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vinod Sharma Saab

    Tell me something honestly . Did u not bring in the comparison with Nehru only to needle some of us. So I thought let me play the same game.
    But did I say anything factually untrue? You know something Sharma Saab , we do not believe in elevating any living mortal so high on a pedestal that it looks like blind worship which is in the true style of the Congress , your favourite party. And did I not say in the end that notwitstanding those episodes , we all respect Gavaskar for the great cricketer that he was.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    I am quite amazed by your logic. What is wrong with Nehru? You can debate his contributions and his role. But you cannot treat him as unmentionable. Isn’t it sad that you are willing to support Arun Nehru but not Pandit Nehru.
    And believe me, I didn’t mention Nehru to finger anybody. I only reproduced what I actually told Sunny. It is also beyond my imagination that mentioning Nehru could amout to fingering some people. If that is so, than so be it. I couldn’t have called Sunny Nathu Ram who was cricket’s God (se).

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Mr Vinod Sharma
    I support Arun Nehru ! Is there even a whiff of that name in my post . This or any.The short point I am trying to make is that I look at public personalities simply as normal people who can make mistakes or may have some failings but those should not be brushed under the carpet only because they are celebrities. Flashing of beacons on cars , Security tam-jham, wanting to be treated as special VIPseverywhere is a gift of the Congress party to this country , which others are also aping. What we also noticed in your post was your fixation with the Nehru Dynasty whther relevant to the context or not ,and we commented on that.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @praveen saxena
    Even if I accept your baseless insinuations of being a Gandhi-Nehru family acolyte, does it make me a lesser citizen of this country. Is being derisive of the family a pre-condition for being a good Indian? Is that’s your case, than we’ll have to agree to disagree. You keep ur position and I’ll keep mine.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Never made any such insinuation nor any indication of yr being a lesser citizen Sir. Not even remotely. We have the highest respect for you .

    But Mr Vinod as I read yr foregoing comment and yr reference to Jawahar Lal Nehru as “Pandit Nehru” , I am tempted to raise a question which has always foxed me. J L Nehru and his apologists too ,took pride in presenting him as a modernist, a secularist , a progressive, a Fabian Socilaist is what commentators have called him. But why did he not ever object to being addressed as “Panditji” or “Pandit Nehru.” It always gave an impression that he wanted to wear his Brahmanical origin on his sleave.” Pandit ” was never part of his name.

  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    Daer Vinod ji,

    “But should Gautam Gambhir not have been named Man of the Match for his gritty 97″

    Just one interview of Gambhir to HT and look at the furore it has created. Had he been named Man of the Match too, the secularists by now would have been comitting suicide !!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Akhilesh
    Do you expect me to respond to this mumbo-jumbo?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You must only listen to mumbo-jumbo of Sonia and Rahul. A paid slave…

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    Are you a sockpuppet of Akhilesh? Let him respond. He’s more competent and better behaved than you.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharma,
    Are you sockpuppet of Sonia/Rahul? If yes, then I am too of Akhilesh.

    He thinks you are a world class fool thus never engages with you which you consider as competent.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @praveen saxena
    I take your point. I used the term Pandit in a manner of speaking and not for its caste or religious connotation. Nehru in fact would always introduce himself as Jawarharlal on the phone. The late P N Haksar told me this.
    I never personally met Nehru but I consider him to be a tall and loveable figure of history like Patel, Azad, Bacha Khan, JP, Bose, Rajgopalachari, Bhagat Singh, Kriplani…. We can quarrel over who was relatively better but we cannot wish them away.Hope you’d agree. I haven’t deliberately named Gandhi here because he was a cut above the rest.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Would you add Shyama Prasad Mukherjea in this list? :)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Are you mad or what?

    There are three layers of “leaders”.

    As Vinodji has said, Gandhiji is at the top of the pyramid. “He was a cut above the rest.

    Of the ‘rest’, Nehru was a cut above the rest.

    The rest are all bundled together in the collective noun of ‘rest’.

    By the way, by asking about Shyama Prasad Mukherji, you are showing the red rag to Vinodji. While he may not ask, ‘Shyama Prasad who……?”, it is an inconvenient question.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay and Shenoy
    Add Mukherjee. I have no problems. But not Guru Golwarkar or Savarkar.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Addressing Jawahar Lal Nehru as Panditji has been a popular practice and I was not referring just to u.. Even many Govt advts. released thru DAVP address him that way. So far I have never come across anywhere that Nehru objected to or discouraged this practice. And this looks quite intriguing to me because Nehru was very concerned with symbolism and public posturing. Remember he discouraged Babu Rajendra Prasad from going to Somnath Temple when it was recconstructed. Even those who claim succession to him and his ideological legacy follow this practice. And this appears quite a self contradiction.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    The term pandit is a honorific title that’s more about learning than caste identity. Any learned man can call himself Pandit but an illeterate Brahmin cannot.
    So you may well be Pandit Praveenji Saxenaji. :) )

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Pandit Praveen Saxenaji,

    Nehru did all those things because he was half of everything he was. Consider this:

    Though he was born a Hindu, he was only half so, never fully a Hindu.
    By education, life style, upbringing etc he was a half Englishman.
    By conviction, he was a half communist.
    His muddled socialist economics resulted in half of this and half of that.
    Even the wars he faught, they were only half wars; in the Kashmir war, he stopped it half way though. In the war with China, they stopped it half way through.
    Though he liked the world, particularly the white world to recognise him as an agnostic, as someone who rejected his high caste Hindu roots, he wrote in his now famous will how his last rights should be performed with full traditional Hindu rituals, even immersing his “asthi” into Ganga.
    And in the end, after 17 long years of uninterrupted rule, he left India half -way to the graveyard with a begging bowl in hand.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    You put it most succintly. All his policies have been now reversed by those who swear by his name. regards

  • http://- Rajeev

    @Shenoy,
    I have a feeling that HT paid journos like Sharma may declare Anna Hazare Sanghi to discredit him. May be Tehelka is working on a story to implicate Hazare in some bomb blasts.
    This media who has shameless characters as senile Sharma will stoop to any level to protect their masters i.e. Congress.
    Mr.Sharma was planning to use WC win to deflect people’s attention from Congress loot but Anna Hazare has foiled these plans.
    I hope to see this senile man hopping mad soon.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Here goes Rajeev Y (Rajeev Y) once again. I luv the way this makhan choor reacts.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “makhan choor”…. :) Are you calling me Krishna? I am honoured but I will still call you senile old man who has lost his marbles.
    Are you not ashamed that at this age you are devoid of any values?
    When are you going to trash Hazare?

    By the way, have you forgotten about my challenge? Post one blog slamming Sonia and Rahul for tolerating and promoting corruption and I’ll be your fan for life. Shut me up with your integrity if you have one.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    I don’t need fans like you. I don’t lack supporters for my views dear RY.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I have never seen a single supporter. You are a discredited journalist. Everyone calls you paid journos.

    Don’t worry about me becoming your fan, at least accept this challenge for the sake of your parent’s honour. Am I asking too much from you? Are you willing to embarrass your parents for few handouts from congress?

    Prove yourself as neutral journo…It’s a challenge.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Sharmaji,
    I love when Arnab Goswami pulls your pants down on Timesnow. You are reduced to a smiling clown every time you appear on Timesnow or any channel. When are you getting your a$$ whipped on timesnow?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    I have noted that you are not objecting to being called Rajeev Y. Good beginning. Keep it up. As for your comments on my appearances on Times Now, i go there to mock at jockers like you. And your comments only prove that my objective is wholly met.
    Keep watching the show regularly murli manohar but better watch out that nobody steals your cows while you are glued to tv :) ) By the way, out of where do you run your milk shop ….err dairy?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @/Rajeev Y
    I cannot discuss journalism with a half-wit like you. But I can discuss dairy products if you like. For example: makhan, ghee, lassi, dahi, dudh, gaai, bhains aur chara (for your thought).

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Again a casteist jibe…Now you are showing your colors.

    Take my challenge and I’ll fill all your holes with Makhan.

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  • Rajiv

    I fail to understand why Afridi or any one should take any exception to Gambhir’s dedication of the cup to Mumbai victims of the gruesome 26/11 attack that among its victims wiped out the family, including 2 children, of the Taj hotel manager. The Indian team was staying in Taj , the match was being played in Mumbai and Gambhir is absolutely within his rights to dedicate it. Not only that, neither is his dedication out of context.
    Now as far as I know
    1. Afridi is not involved in Mumbai attack.
    2. 99% of Pakistanis are not involved in the attack
    3. All Pakistanis claim that they are against terrorist attacks, irrespective of country of origin
    4. The civilian government condemns it and
    5. Pak army and ISI ( severel of whose officers who have been implicated in the planning of the attack ) also claim they are not involved and some ‘non official stars and actors’ , who did it.
    6. Pak government itself claims that it has 7 Pakistanis in its custody , including LeT commander Zarar shah, whom its allegedly prosecuting for the attack.

    So why un necessarily make an issue of Gambhirs dedication and embaress yourself and other Pakistanis ? Its just inexplicable idiocy.

    Will Afridi also take exception when some one dedicates something to 9/11 attack victims in New York, just because the 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad is of Pakistani origin ? Will Afridi take exception if someone dedicates something to victims of numerous shrine attacks in Pakistan ?

    The denial and defense offered by Afridi is equally if not more disturbing than his original statements.

    Let me just remind Afridi and his fellow Pakistanis. If the Indian captain had made a similar statement, substituting the word Muslim with Hindu and Pakistan with India, the Indian captain would have been sacked or forced to issue an unconditional apology.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pakistani team represents the worst in pakistan. This team was corrupt, fundamentalist representing ISI-Taliban not the people of pakistan.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    the ordinary people of Pakistan are anyways no different than ISI-Taliban

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    Relax everybody. Take a break for some time and read/watch this.

    http://web.orange.co.uk/article/quirkies/Software_firm_wants_naked_web_coders

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    Rajeev Reply:

    :)

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    Paritosh Reply:

    WTF !!! those Brits are some special kind of retards. damn pommies

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Anna Hazare ne shuroo kiya anashan

    Aur kar diya sarkar ko pareshan

    PM ko banaya nishan

    Aur kaha: ‘kuch karo, jisme ho shan

    ya fir hum chale smashan.

    Sarkar ne socha, Anna ko denge lolly,

    Aur Anna ko kaha:hum ne banayi hai kamiti, quickly,

    Anna ne kaha, jinka reputation hai maily,

    jinke saath jude hain scandals smelly

    Aur jisme hai Veerappa Moily,

    jo jaana jaata hai Oily Moily

    Aur Pawar, jinka reputation hai soily soily

    Kya hum issey maanege, willy, nilly?

    The government is busy planning to break Anna Hazare’s resolve and his fast.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    We haven’t heard a word about Anna Hazare from paid journalist Sharma. He is always quick to react. What happened this time? Is he waiting for instruction from Manish Tiwari?
    - Rajeev Sharma (son-in-law Vinod Sharma)

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    Pl post your birth certificate on this blog to prove that you are not an impersonator. Give up the quota you availed to land up a job with a fat salary (by your own admission). Do it fast. Then I will recommend you to a good teacher to improve your manners and your language.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Now this casteist wants my birth certificate. I am not in govt. job so there is no question of Quota.
    Are you still stuck in 1960s?

    I am very well mannered with people who deserve it but for people like you I use danda.

    By the way, I loved your timid performance on timesnow yesterday. It looks like my well oiled danda is working.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Anybody who asks you to have manners and be civil is stuck in the 1960s. I, Vijay and Mr Sandhu. You are a loser you pitiable creature. I think you belong to the lowest species of vertebrates. If if don’t know who it is, then let me educate you– its a caterpillar :) )

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    “I am very well mannered….” Look who’s speaking. Ha ha ha….you and well mannered. It is like a snake saying it doesn’t bite.
    Will write no more as I’m just reminded of Mr Mishra’s well intentioned advice to avoid plagues. :) )

    Rajeev Reply:

    “Will write no more as I’m just reminded of Mr Mishra’s well intentioned advice to avoid plagues.”

    Hiding behind Mr.Mishra (brahmin bhai) but he is not like you. Even he will call you paid journo,

  • http://- Rajeev

    Let me make my last name public today because it has been giving gas problem to paid journalist Vinod Sharma.

    My last name is SHARMA and I am actually son-in-law of Vinod Sharma. :)
    Sharmaji, Ab khush :) You wanted our dispute in public..good..I will never compromise with your paid journalism.
    :) :)

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma and Rajeev,

    C’mon guys… just cool it ! :D

    Fighting on the internet… arre shobha nahi daeta !~

    I am sure both of you have a reason to find each other’s stancee funny! But…

    The right to disagree and abuse is the fundmantel premise of our constitiution. And maybe you guys can warm up with a party together (unless it boils down to fisticuffs :D )

    Maybe Shenoy should host this party and we should all come there ??? Or I am willing to do this in Delhi…..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    I have no intention of fighting with Sharma but he has become obsessive with my personal details such as my caste, my profession etc. I too am Sharma like him, make a honest living unlike him, earn atleast 10 times more than him. What more personal info. does he want?

    He is simply missing the point. I am against his mindset. I hold the view that he is biased and prejudiced and not a neutral journalist. I threw a challenge that he posts one blog critical of Sonia/Rahul tolerance and encouragement of corruption, he started using casteist abuses as most brahmins end up doing. How can you expect me to keep quiet if such a dishonest man makes character judgement. I have always tried my best to be respectful but he messes it up every time with his juvenile remarks.

    My beef is “He is not a neutral journalist and he should be brave enough to accept it”. I have never used harsh words on his approach to pakistan because I know where he stands on this issue but over corruption he played yeddy yeddy game and totally ignore Congress loot. This has distressed me. I have always held the view that journalist are eyes and ears of common people and when I see these people cheating, it makes me angry.

    Please control this biased man first.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    Why should anybody be interested about “personal details” (whatever it means) of an uncouth, unhygenic man ? Why should I count the teeth of somebody who froths at his mouth or be keen to know when you last wore a washed underwear?
    There is bound to be strong, offensive odour about your details….err personal details. Nirma is kapdey dhona shuru karo RYjee.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    I have seen you on TV. It looks like you never had a bath in your life. Paid journalist.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajiv,

    It is definitely the right time to heed Vijay Kumar’s advice/suggestion.

    Momentous things are happening in our country, starting with the world cup victory. Anna Hazare is the toast of the nation. More things of great import are on the horizon.

    Therefore, it is time to cool down, smoke the peace pipe.

    Moderate our language and expressions towards one another.

    I welcome all of you to Bangalore for a cool stay and for cooling down tempers.

    Or be a part of the “Samjautha Express” in Delhi. I will send my cheque the moment I see the green flag flying alongside the white one.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I agree but did you see timid Mr.Sharma on Timesnow yesterday. He was speaking like a lamb because of hammering he got on this blog. Kutte ki poonch seedhi ho rahi hai…

    On serious note, I take your and Vijay’s advice seriously and will try not to indulge in tu-tu-main-main with this narrow minded, casteist and paid journalist.

    Enjoy your debates. :)

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    You are clearly siding with a rich man —- who by his own admission earns ten times more than I do. He’s also the person who talks disrespectfully of other people’s daugthers.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ VInod Sharma,

    Am not siding up with anybody but just tyring to cool things as well as calm passions!

    But anyway, what is your take on Hazare?

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    chaandi ki deewar na thoda
    pyaar bharaa dil thod diya

    Ik dhanwaan ke bete ne
    Nirdhan ka daaman thod diya

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Why don’t you give your shoulder to sharma to cry on?

    I expect such old man to have some manners. Being a wily brahmin, he could not hide his real casteist nature.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    You have revealed your real caste by draging in my daughter. It shows how much you respect women.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    So you won’t accept a low caste like me as your son-in-law. You call yourself liberal..what happened now. Why can’t I be your son-in-law?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Hey Rajeev,

    Whatever your disagreements with Vinod Sharma, I think you should keep his duaghter out of it. Otherwise this will deteriorate in a blog of personal abuse….

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    You must know that Vinod sharma brought in parents first..then casteist remark. Why don’t you ask this paid journalist to behave. Now that I mentioned his daughter, he is hopping mad. You should try to see whole picture.

  • Vijay Kumar

    ~:) :) ~~ LET US CELEBERATE THIS MOMENT OF GLORY ~~ :) :) ~

    The best rebuff to Afridi’s communal comments is the fact that it was a Mulsim from India– Zaheer khan– who was amongst our premier attackers.

    Let us celeberate this monet of glory :D :D :D

    Give the cricketers a months holiday…

    And not let the BCCI milk them more for cash… at least give them this break of a month or two and let them enjoy with thier families….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    This WC tamasha is over and it’s time we move on to more serious subject.
    What are your views on Sharma’s silence on Anna Hazare fast? As you have made great predictions before, please tell us which side Thali ka Baigan Sharma will roll?
    -Rajeev Sharma

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  • Ryan Paul

    Jis ka dar tha, wahi ho gaya – Congress is calling Anna , a RSS agent. Read here http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/134443/top-stories/congress-claims-anna-hazare-acting-like-agent-of-rss.html

    Can’t believe this.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I predicted it yesterday. I am well aware of congress’s fascist ways.

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    Saarthak Reply:

    Going according to the script as most of us here predicted

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Rajeev and Saarthik
    That was bound to happen. Now, we all will not be surprised if Tehelka comes out with some sort of sting operation to confirm what these pseudo secular people are spreading.
    BNA

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Rajeev,

    Vinod Sharma may be having reasons as a Congress sympathiser. And as for me…. I am the greatest fan of anyone who tries to end this endemic corruption…

    But the fact is one has to be very careful as far as endorsing anyone who goes on a fast as this can open a Pandora’s box. Some years back Medha Patkar went on a fast opposing Narmada.

    As far as I am concerned, hydel power is he cleanest poser after solar. And the prosperity and hope which has come to parched Gujarat after the implementation of the Narmada project only proves that her fast as well as Arundhati Roy’s drama was wrong.

    Similarly I would have been happier in case Hazare would have first created a mass movement against corruption and then gone on a fast. What happens, for example, in case Pappu Yadav and Chautala both merrily drunk scams join him?

    However I still wish Hazare well. Something will surely happen as a result. The Congress however would not like him to get the credit….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    I seriously don’t want to waste my time discussing minions like Sharma.

    I think Anna Hazare has started this anti-corruption campaign for greater good of the society. As usual politicians from opposition especially BJP will try to hijack the issue. They should be kept at bay. If BJP is so worried about corruption, what has it done in Karnataka?

    Hazare has been patient for too long and this fast is actually meant for creating mass movement. You can see congress talking non-sense due to panic. They have already labelled Hazare as RSS agent and I am sure some HT journos like Sharma will pick up congress lead and malign Hazare.

    The corrupt fascist congress is ruling this country using Corporate-Media-Unprincipled regional parties nexus. It keeps all three in check either by providing with goodies (2G for corporates, cash for journos) or fear of investigating agencies (BSP and SP both supporting congress due to CBI danda).

    The congress under sonia has shed all the pretense of democractic party and is now using oppressive fascist tactics to tackle any opposition. It looks like India is again under British Raj.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar,
    I am curious if you ever bothered to read and understand about why Ms. Patkar and Ms. Roy were opposed to Narmada Project ?
    No, Seriously. Trying to understand your own reasoning.
    - Mahesh.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    Eithr we Indians should not have procreated so much and remained about a 100 million to have the population density of US or Russia. Now that we have, we need energy and power. Only an idiot will say nuclear power is the way out — think of Japan, or thermal is our way– global warming, high cost coming as byproducts.

    The only way out is hydel and solarwhich the Narmada agitators could not see ,

    Arundhati and Patkar needed publicity and did not give a damn about drinking water problems in Gujarat. For them te media created a Frankestien called Modi and Gujaratis and pitted against hem were two frail women.

    The people of India were never told that both were publicity hungry. One even tried to demolish Shekhar Kapoor using all her feminist guiles and even calling him an exploiter of women, just because her script had been rejected by channel 4 :D

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,
    My basic question still remains un-answered. Have you bothered at all to read their positions on their being opposed to dam ? Your response doesn’t indicate so.
    - Mahesh.

    Vinay Reply:

    I agree with Medha Patkar’s agitation for rehabilitation of the community before further dam construction. But environmental concerns, I take the ethically guilty stand. Just want to bring out a clash between development and environmentalists at a much smaller scale. A city like Bangalore was more of a village hundred years ago, roads were not wide. Trees were planted on both sides of the road, which were giving shelter. But those roads cannot withstand today’s population or road traffic. Blaming the earlier town planners will yield no solution. Any attempt to widen road or build a flyover involves cutting of trees which are existing for hundreds of years, for which environmentalists are against. Whatever we say (call it selfish), humans cannot live with the standard of living which existed hundreds of years ago, which includes environmentalists as well. We may have to compromise with less nature, till we reduce our population. Agree with Vijay on population. India has not given enough attention to bringing population growth rate to less than 1%. If it doesn’t, not just infrastructure or electricity, we will even have shortage of food and water.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Mahesh… Mahesh…

    We all know rehabilatation is the most important facet of develepment. No debate on that.

    But the fact is we are a sadly overpopulated country. ALL CITIES– Delhi, Mumbai, Lucknow, Kolakatta, Begalaru etc etc have only expanded by acquiring farmland. SHould we now demolish at least 1000 cities and give the land back??

    It is a cruel process. A Roy would b staying in a house in Delhi which belonged to a farmer once. So was her house next to a river in MP. You can;t say that it is okay to acquire land for my house, but not for yours.

    We need balanced policies. Not publicty seekrs like ROy and Patkar.

  • http://- Rajeev

    Mr.Shenoy and Vijay,
    Here is another example of how narrow minded, cunning and casteist Mr.Sharma is-

    “vinod sharma Reply:
    April 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    @Rajeev Y
    Then what about Rajeev Gandhi ), Rajeev Ram (like Jagjivan Ram), Rajeev Togadia (like Praveen Togadia), Rajeev Modi (like Narendra Modi), and Rajeev Godse (like you know whom)? I think even Rajeev Yadav will do ….no? Pl give me your choice. After all its about your name —- though it may not matter to you ) )”

    - Rajeev Ram – Points that all Rams are SC.
    - Rajeev Togadia – Points that all Togadias have to be communal
    - Rajeev Modi – All modis are communal
    - Rajeev Godse – Points that all Godse are responsible for Gandhi’s murder. I didn’t know Mugdha Godse is a criminal in the eyes of Sharma.
    - Rajeev Yadav – All yadav have to be doodhwallah by profession as per Mr.Sharma
    - Rajeev Gandhi – Pointing that all Gandhis are genocidal like Rajeev Gandhi.

    Stretching the same SHARMA logic, can I say that I hold all SHARMA responsible for FULL TOSS ball by Chetan Sharma which was hit for six by Miandad?
    By same logic we can say as Osama being a muslim bombed US, all muslims are terrorists.

    This is the true mindset of this fake journalist. He is a hate monger, a casteist and a liar.
    Shame on him.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev Y
    U got is because you asked for it. By the way, why are you passing the hat around for vote and support. Respect cannot be demanded. It has to be commanded. And if you want to be respected, then learn to respect others even in cases of disagreement.
    This is my last conversation with you because I don’t think you are prone to understanding reason. I take Mr Mishra’s advice against meaningless slugfests on the margins of a serious discussion.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    So you mean casteist insults are extreme insults. Now that you are caught, you are trying to flee.
    This is for you-
    Respect cannot be demanded. It has to be commanded.

    Behave like a mature man before you sermon others.

    Take my challenge and post a blog critical to Sonia else accept your defeat.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dear Vinod
    Liked your article, but not sure whether a senior journalist should get down to the level of any person who is heckling him. A dignified political debate, yes, meaningless one to ones- no.

    Anyways moving on-
    1. Spot on about Gambhir. I was very disappointed when he did not get man of match. Dhoni stood on the shoulders of Gambhir’s 97 and delivered, but it was Gauti who came and played under extreme pressure.
    2. Spot on about Nehru. It has become fashionable to belittle our giants, that man kept our country going in the best way possible in the 1950s. Now with the benefit of hindsight, sure everyone is a whiz kid running down Nehru for now having the economic foresight of Manmohan !!

    3. Anna Hazare- we need to support him. India does not need a Tunisia style revolution, but could do with a deep cleanse of civic society.

    4. Afridi- someone should have told him not to prsactise extreme yoga- very difficult to disengage one’s foot from the mouth.

    On that note, first time on your blog. Enjoying it
    Dr Mishra, INDIA and Yorkshire

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    I would agree with most of what you have said here with just one discordent note.

    When you dish out advise against “meaningless one to ones” should that have not been addressed to both parties?

    Ravi – The Pakistani you may remember from other blogs.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Dr. Mishra,

    It would be great pleasure for all of us to exchange ideas and views with you on htis blog.

    Shri Vinod Sharma has a good number of Pakistani friends inside and outside ISI and he would surely pass on your advice to Afridi. If Afridi learns that what he is doing with his foot-in-the-mouth posture is yoga, a Hindu system of mental and physical exercise, he would disengage his foot with lightening speed.

    About Nehru, I respect your sentiment. But, consider this:

    Why would we belittle Nehru alone from a whole pack of great leaders, if there weren’t any valid grounds? And how did he ‘keep our country going’? By constantly running to US with the begging bowl? By building a worthless gang of beggar nations collectively called NAM? By making India a great socialist country living off alms from a great capitalist country?

    He ruled India unchallenged for seventeen long years during which, India faught two wars and lost both, besides getting burdened with Unsolveable real estate problems with neighbours on all sides. The list is incomplete, but enough for a first time.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    You are wrong. All my Pakistani friends are ISI like indian friends of my Pakistani friends are all RAW. :) )

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~ :) :) ~~~ CONGRESS eating its own words — formula DIVERSION fails !! ~~~ :) :) ~~~

    Last night on Headlines Today Manu Singhvi had to eat his words — CHomp Chomp CHOMP !!

    And run away. !!

    Why? In a teleconference with Rahul Kanwal, who was at jantar Mantar, Singhvi tried the same old trick of Goebbels… of getting NDA into the picture as soon as the mention of the LOk Pal Bill was made. Why did the NDA do nothing about it? Singhvi thundered at the crowd.

    Now the truth was obvious to all. The NDA was in power ONLY for five (5) of the forty two (42) years the Lok Pal bill had been pending. So this clearly was a case of diversion. And the crowd could see thorugh the deceit !! They roared in disapproval…

    And Manu Singhvi left the panel… :D

    So clearly the Congressi strategy of obscufactaion and diversion has failed !! :D :D :D

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay this eveing we are going to paste a hand made poster on the pool car we commute to office
    ” We support Anna Hazare ”
    I think all friends could do small and simple things to show our solidarity.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Praveen,

    That’s the way! Hope such movement happens in all the states, especially haryana and UP where top level corruption is ignored and caste and religious alliances are used as an excuse NOT to take action against kickback seekers…

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  • Vijay Kumar

    After the diversionary formula fails here are two more formulae the Congress can try for smearing the anti- graft campaigners.

    a) THis is a RSS-CIA- Mossad- rightwing ploy to discredit India

    b) Anna Hazare and the anti graft campaigners are protecting Yedurappa !

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  • http://rediffmail.com ram

    Even hard core congis r embarrassed the way this vinod sharma defends congis corruption.

    Good show Mr. Shrama, keep going. But remember one thing congis corruption is more dangerous than cancer and aids put together.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ram
    Where are you coming from? Where have I defended corruption? I am all for civil society activism in combatting graft. Without that we will only create institutions without actually striking the meance at its roots.
    Pl don’t level wild allegations without reading the original post if you expect a response next time. .

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    ram Reply:

    oh SIR ji iam on cloud 9 becz u have responded me !

    anyhow i come frm bangalore and iam not separted by birth like u (indian by birth **** by actions)

    wht am i seeing on news debates everyday Mr. Sharma, be it 2g, cwg, adarsh

    just google vinod sharma on corruption u will get it

    thanks, have a wonderful weekend

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    ram Reply:

    i wrote Pakistan and its showing *****

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ram
    Jai Ram jee ki. Thank you for watching me with such interest :) ) Aap jaise priyajanon sey mujhe kaafi attention milta hai. Lagey raho lagey raho

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    @praveen saxena- brilliant Sir, we need to support Anna Hazare. There was a time when we looked down on Pakistanis here in UK regarding corruption, now we hide our faces hehe.

    @mishraji- love reading your posts.- Afridi- foot in mouth- yoga. You will notice a lot of congress bashers here, but why bash Nehru- is it because he tried to implement a mixed economy- easy to criticise him here but HE DID NOT KNOW THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW.
    Everyone becomes a pandit in hindsight. Panditji spent 9-10 years in jail, he inherited a country which had seen a famine in 1942, millions dead- this episode air brushed from history. From a ragtag country he stabilised it, consolidated it, kept it together with a venal Pakistan breathing down on its east AND west borders, and China up north.
    @ BV Shenoy- – you are wrong- under Nehru we faught 2 wars and lost only to China- no shame in that, they were too big for us then. we survived all that, and won the CUP hehe

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I appreciate your sentiments about Jawaharlal Nehru, but your apologies are rather weak.

    1.Do you honestly believe that we won the first Kashmir war? More than a third of the Indian state of J&K is retained by Pakisatan, thanks to Nehru’s large heartedness and folly of listening to unnecessarily solicited-and rtendered with characteristic alacrity -advice of Mrs and Mr. Mountbatten, more particularly Edwina Muntbatten.

    2. In the “war” against Pakistan, Nehru called a halt to the war against sane advice by Sardar Patel and the army generals. In the “war” against China he went into it against saner advice not to take on China in the winter months with a rag tag army without even proper shoes.

    History has showed that he acted on his own, or on the advice of foreigners inimical to India’s self interest.

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    @shenoy- dont know much about the Chinese war, I thought onxce we were invaded we had to defend. you raise interesting stuff about the winter- problem any link, any analysis?

    btw my name is Balwinder Sandhu also known as paaji, not paji hehe. I used to head a gang on Zia’s blog and when it died, I commanded my flock to migrate here. Mishraji, Gopi Thomas, Syed, L Mirza, Riswan, Vinay, Benoy Hegde, Raju Kurien, Mohan- these are my navratan, hehe. Rajeev also, but he is a bit excitable
    I was hoping SHAN would stay back, but he is like an illegal immigrant – he stowed aboard our boat and got here. Get used to him, he is stupid but a great entertainer. Makes terrible statements and then the lot of us disrobe him intellectually. Let me tell you something that will shock you- HE IS A DOCTOR, or so he claims !!!!!!!
    SHAN puttar, where r u, missing you

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “I commanded my flock to migrate here. Mishraji, Gopi Thomas, Syed, L Mirza, Riswan, Vinay, Benoy Hegde, Raju Kurien, Mohan- these are my navratan, hehe. Rajeev also, but he is a bit excitable”

    Are you suffering from illusion of grandeur? You are pygmy to command anybody in this flock so please just remain a member not a commander.

    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Rajeev, is duniya mein sabhi self styled commander hain. Look at Rahul gandhi. Besides, I am the oldest, and I have also got the biggest belly hehe
    And now this commander will give you an English lesson- it is delusion of grandeur, not illusion

    Rajeev Reply:

    I stand corrected. I forgot you live in Britain.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Balwinderji,

    Zia’s blog seems to have died an unhonoured, unsung death.

    about the war against China, let me tell you that India went into the war under the most adverse conditions. The Indian army was nowhere near the preparedness needed to fight any war, least of all one with the Red Army, at such Himalayan heights, literally. Our soldiers had hardly had any ammunition for their ancient .303 rifles. They had no warm clothes. Even food was in short supply in the last days of the war, if you can call it that. Most observers then thought that it was a suicide attack. Many generals and brigadiers ran away from the battlefields, many didn’t report for duty on emergency postings. Hundreds of soldiers had to suffer amputation of their toes and even full feet due to frost bite.

    The general, who executed the war, Lt.Gen.B.M.Kaul wrote his version of the debacle in a book called “The Untold Story”. You may also read in Wikipedia on “Himalayan Blunder” by Brig.J.P.Dalvi and “Between The Lines” by Kuldip Nayar.

  • Balwinder Sandhu

    see how well I trained doc mishra- even Vinod Sharma appreciates it ( and kind of depreciates u- hope that is correct English)- see above
    “”"This is my last conversation with Rajeev because I don’t think you are prone to understanding reason. I take Mr Mishra’s advice against meaningless slugfests on the margins of a serious discussion”"”
    Rajeev puttar, u missing SHAN ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You are free to support this paid journo.
    As far as Shan is concerned, he has guts to speak truth. You guys are still stuck in 1960s.

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    tajender Reply:

    shabash rajeev aaj se too mera puttar.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Aur mein tera baap.

    tajender Reply:

    tu mera put put puttar.

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    @Shenoy, India was in every way a minnow then, when China atatcked us. Why us, even the big Russian bear was very wary of China. I do not think losing the war belittles Nehru, although I do think cleaving Bangladesh away was one of the most brilliant things Indira did, with some great military minds like Maneckshaw and Gen Arora.

    India then had a secessionist Tamil Nadu (almost), it had to wage a war against NSCN in Nagaland, PREPAK in Manipur and MNF in Mizoram. India had some very ambitious 5 year plans and a food revolution to think off. As doctors in the seventies, we were going to villages to vaccinate- in some villages this was a first off.
    Not many remember a very ambitious National Malaria Eradication programme with countrywide DDT spraying. It failed partially, because of resistant strains. Nehru presided over all this. India was doing then which the west had done hundreds of years ago. Not very glamorous, all this.

    But Narasimha Rao, Rajeev Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Chiadmbaram came in when most of this was underway- when there was greater confidence in India, a greater understanding of how economy works. They took some decisions which catapulted us onto the world stage.
    So, now we forget Nehru, maybe even criticise him- but please remeber- we walk first, before we learn how to run. Today with Anna Hazare the toast of the nation, I remember Nehru, an honest man. A sincere man, a patriot. A giant who took us through the independence struggle, with Gandhi, Sardar Patel, Ambedkar, Bose, Azad.
    They are all forgotten now, as India hurtles towards mega riches and mega corruption and has the fabric of family life eaten away by aping the west blindly, and by not adopting their best.
    Dr D Mishra, Yorkshire, but spirit in Jantar Mantar, admiring the great Gandhian Anna Hazare from afar

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Let us not forget that India and China were at same level in 1949. Infact during 1962, India had air superiority over China but Nehru was too afraid to use air power.
    Nehru before 1962 war believed that India did not require Armed Forces.

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    tajender Reply:

    mentally & physically handicapped India can never overtake China.bloody grass eaters can never defeat beef eaters of the world.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Mr.Sharma behaved liked a scared lamb on Timesnow..Had he uttered his pro-congress BS, young guys would have pummeled him real hard. Almost everyone termed Sharma’s arguements against Jan Lok Pal bill, stalling tactics.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    I always thought you were dumb. I know now that you are also deaf. Falsehood is your preferred talking strategy. You will be found out soon by many more.

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Vinod

    We already know

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    Rajeev Reply:

    ‘We’ = Terrorists…I know.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Anyone can watch that Video and make a judgement…You were so nervous.

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  • tajender

    singh jee as per hindu religion, Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening: Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only. Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour. Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.

    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).

    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).

    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:

    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).

    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).

    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month (Chap.3.S.250).

    There are seven varieties of sudras:

    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional worker. (Chap.8.S.415).

    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).

    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras (Chap.10.S.43).

    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these. (Chap.8.S.125)

    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced. (Chap.10.S.235).

    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins. (Chap.8.S.413).

    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).

    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).

    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).

    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so, he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).

    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).

    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).

    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.272).

    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).

    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281). (

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    balwinder sandhu Reply:

    no one is india reads this shit. unlike your quran, which actually says kill kafirs- so mughals killed 3 of our Gurus

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    tajender Reply:

    no one is india reads this shit. unlike your quran

    THIS IS NOT FROM QURAN.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    but you are an off-shoot of the quran.

    balwinder sandhu Reply:

    vonod ji, see what i mean. pl chek zia’s blogs- this guy tajender is actually ramavtar- actually closed down zia’s blogs with insane anti brahmin-hindu MILES long cut and pastes. PL PL PLEASE BAN HIM, ban the IP address

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    tajender Reply:

    but u did not awnser my question,why ranjit singh did not had any sikh in his cabinet.

  • tajender

    RAJEEV,mentally & physically handicapped India can never overtake China.bloody grass eaters can never defeat beef eaters of the world.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    These Chinese are actually cannibals.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I am still with my Indian brothers. Don’t divide us because you can not.

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  • tajender

    BALWINDER,The world-famous Economist is a great supporter of the Jews, anti-Muslim, anti-communist and always supports the rich. But when it comes to China it is forced to speak the truth because as an economic journal it cannot say 2 plus 2 does not become 4.

    In its latest issue ), it says the annual GDP growth of China in the next decade will be 7.75% but only 2.5% for USA. At this rate China will overtake US in 2019 — in eight years, it says

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    Saarthak Reply:

    STFU **** noob

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  • balwinder sandhu

    @saarthak, vijay kumar, bn anand- thank you for raising our concious level towards ANNA HAZARE. This Sunday, at our local gurudwara there will be prayers for him. We NRIs came late on this!!

    @Vonod Sharma, this guy tejender is from the last blog- he also goes by the name of ramavtar. Many a times he has confessed to being a muslim from Lucknow. Always pastes buulshxt- miles long- against brahmins and ‘hindu zionists’. Gets very irritating, dont believe me, chek Zia’s blogs. Some think he is Zaid Hamid in disguise

    @shenoy- who won the 1947 war, dont know. If Hari Singh was a muslim then Kashmir was never ours

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  • balwinder sandhu

    mishraji, liked your lines- “”"Today with Anna Hazare the toast of the nation, I remember Nehru, an honest man. A sincere man, a patriot. A giant who took us through the independence struggle, with Gandhi, Sardar Patel, Ambedkar, Bose, Azad.”"”
    Anna turned away the opportunists Uma Bharati and Chautala when they tried to gatecrash Janta ka mantra

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  • tajender

    BALWINDER JEE I AM SIKH FROM LUDHIANA,RAMAVTAR DIED IN ACCIDENT LAST WEEK,MAIN UNKE CHELA HOON. Recent sensational disclosures in their own Hindu media about Hindu India’s top upper caste (Hindus) corruption have revealed the pernicious hand of many Hindu godmen.

    Mrs. Niira Radia, India’s topmost fixer and the king (or queen) pin behind the spectrum scam, the mother of all scams, has disclosed that she had the full blessings of the notorious Pejawara Swami of Udupi in coastal Karnataka heading a Madhwa Brahmin cult.

    SAI BABA’S ROLE
    This swami is also the driving force behind Karnataka’s most corrupt Chief Minister Yeddyurappa.

    When Yeddyurappa and the “Khatri Sick” PM were exposed for their role in scams both rushed to Puttapurthi to seek the blessings of the notorious Satya Sai Baba who keeps the stolen money of all the biggest thieves of the country.

    If the “Khatri Sick” PM is so pure why he is avoiding the JPC?

    HOT FAVOURITE OF RASCALS
    The Ambanis regularly visit Tirupati, the country’s richest temple, and pour billions of their tainted money.

    The god on receiving the money from these thieves converts them into angels. Does it not mean Hinduism stands for corruption and through corruption Hinduism is being strengthened ?

    Another notorious “Sri Sri” Ravi Shankar, who is operating an international racket from Bangalore, is the hot favourite of all the corrupt rascals.

    Yet another postman-turned holy man at Mysore, Ganapati Sachidananda Swamy, had all the money of the Chanakya, P.V. Narasimha Rao, who slept while the Babri Masjid was demolished by the Brahmin terrorist party. The Chanakya died before taking the money back.

    SHANKARACHARI AS MURDERER
    Chandraswami of Delhi was the hot favourite of PM Indira Gandhi.

    The Shankarachari of Kanchi is the principal adviser to the Hindu terrorist party itself. Nothing happened to him despite all the proven charges of murder etc.

    Abhinav Bharat, the super Hindu terrorist party, comprising mainly the Chitpavan Brahmins who murdered hundreds of Muslims, is fully protected by all the Swamis, saints.

    There are hundreds of such fraudmen parading as godmen but all of them are going strong despite keeping all the money stolen from the treasury of this poor country.

    When the govt. is ordering raid on the houses of top crooks like Radia, Kalmadi, etc., etc., why it is not handling these godmen-turned fraudmen?

    Temples and Ashrams in India are like the Swiss banks, safe and secure. Since political leaders have close connections with these godmen, they are well-sheltered and well protected.

    STOLEN MONEY
    The nexus between Hindu godmen protecting the stolen money and the thieves can be broken if the judiciary orders the CBI and the police to raid such centres.

    One thing has became clear: Brahminism parading as Hinduism and its myriad godmen are promoting their Hinduism by promoting corruption, enslaving the Bahujans and thereby destroying this country.

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  • tajender

    RAJEEV DO U AGREE,

    The nexus between Hindu godmen protecting the stolen money and the thieves can be broken if the judiciary orders the CBI and the police to raid such centres.

    One thing has became clear: Brahminism parading as Hinduism and its myriad godmen are promoting their Hinduism by promoting corruption, enslaving the Bahujans and thereby destroying this country.

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    Vinay Reply:

    @Tajender,
    I fully agree with you when you say, The nexus between Hindu godmen protecting the stolen money and the thieves can be broken if the judiciary orders the CBI and the police to raid such centres. I do agree some Brahmins (at the top level) are involved in this. But if you limit this issue (corruption) to Brahmins alone, then one cannot dig out what other castes (Mutts), which are running educational institutions, hospitals have stored (in terms of black money). Revenue of Wakf board is still not under the control of government. The demand should be to bring all the public money under the government. Not just one community’s.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shut up. It is our matter and we will deal with it.

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    Vinay Reply:

    I did not intend to intervene between you and Tajender. According to me, I just agreed with a comment by someone in blogs. (I generalised Tajender’s comments on Brahmin Swamis and brought Muslim Wakf board also in it). If a post has merit, I will agree whether it is written by Ram Autar or Tajender. If I am not satisfied with a comment, I would disagree irrespective of who wrote it. What matters to me is the individual post, not the individual (whose identity is so easily changeable). If my intervention disturbed you two, then will apologise. Please carry on.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~ :) :) ~~~ JOKE OF THE YEAR– AFRIDI WANTS OUR MONEY, AFTER ABUSING US ~~~ :) :) ~~~

    After abusing Indians of haviing a small heart as compared to Pakistanis and Muslims, and then admonishing Gautam Ghambir for dedicating his win to the martyrs of 26/11, Shahid Afridi is being driven to India by the smell of money… :D

    To quote OUTLOOK

    “Shahid Afridi feels deeply hurt and has appealed to the Indian Cricket Board that Pakistan players shouldn’t be treated as “untouchables” when it comes to including them in the cash-rich Indian Premier League.

    “It is high time that Pakistani cricketers should also get a place in IPL. For three seasons including the current one, we haven’t been a part of the IPL. We have no problems playing in India as we have just played a World Cup semi-final there. We are deeply hurt that they are treating us like ‘untouchables’,” Afridi told PTI Bhasha from Karachi.

    He further added that Pakistani public feel hurt that their players are not playing in IPL.

    _____________________________________________________

    HURT my foot !! :D :D

    Jaise America ko milk kiya hai… now Afridi wants to milk us!!

    “Na boop bada na bhaiya…
    The whole thing is that…

    Ki sabse bada rupaiya !! :D :D :D :D

    What frauds these Pakistanis are !! Ha ha HAHA HAA !! :D :D

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  • Balwinder Sandhu

    vijay kumar, I am actually VERY KEEN that pakistanis players play in IPL. I think we Indians have been VERY HARSH on them. All I ask for in return-

    1. Pl hand over Dawood and prosecute Hafeez Sayeed in Pak
    2. Please do shut down terror camps in Pak and do not allow Kashmiri terror fund raising
    3. MOST IMP – please remove the ‘Pakistan studies’ curriculum as well as ‘Islamiyat’ classes that have brainwashed 2 generations of Pakistani kids by now- they make communist brainwashing look benign
    hehe-
    Do that and this sardar will personally fly down to the Wagah border and welcome Afridi and gang.
    B SANDHU, HAYES, UK

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    Rajeev Reply:

    1. Not possible till pakistan is ruled by punjabis.
    2. Not possible till India reciprocates in similar way. Balochistan is the key to peace.
    3. No possible till muslims dominate the pakistani political scene.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Balwindar Sandhu

    For Pakistan the three items you have mentioned are like the three lions on INdia’s coins.

    Very little chance of that happening…

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    Balwinder Sandhu Reply:

    Vijay, is there another article, i cud only find this – http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?271223
    as doc mishra said above- Afridi shud not do advanced yoga- for the foot then goes deep into the mouth hehe

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @Balwinder;
    Thanks Balwinder;
    Currently I am in North America, working on development of New pharma drugs, hence immensely busy. But, Indian in me, brings back me to this blog times and again. I do not find enough time or atmosphere to put my thoughts coherently, hence my absence. It was refreshing to have you here, which brings a different flavor to this blog. I have visited few other blogs also,particularly, Zia’s, but that was so toxic, that I did not stay there for anytime. This blog has been blessed by intellectuals like Shenoy, youthful exhuberence of Vijay and sharpness of Kushagra and many more people. I sincerely enjoy this blog and had written the voltaire’s immortal words that I will not agree with your ideas but defend your right to speak till my bitter end or to something to this effect. Some points raised by Rajeev are right but his anger has made him use the type of language, which is self hurting. I may disagree with Vinod but will not dream of shutting him up, otherwise, what is the difference between a civil person and a goon. Shenoy, Vijay and some others have also asked Rajeev to make his tone milder, if not for Vinod’s sake, for us atleast. It is his prerogative to use any kind of language, we can just implore him.
    @ Vinod;
    Sir;
    Please desist from this altercation. Rajeev has privilage as an anonymous blogger which, unfortunately, you do not have. You are meant to do much higher things in the domain of journalism and public service.
    Regards

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    You are being judgemental without reading the whole conversation. Vinod used casteist remarks which were rebutted in Kind.
    Vinod Sharma is a journalist goon who keeps forcing his views on other. There is big difference between me and him. You may be sympathetic to him because I brought word ‘BRAHMIN’ in my discussion. I apologize for hurting your caste feelings.

    But let me say one thing very clearly that it is because of people like Sharma, India will remain india for centuries to come.

    anonymous blogger – Even you are anonymous..Everyone except sharma is anonymous. Should I post my resume on this blog.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Rajeev

    However, you your self are judgemental.

    For instance, you have judged me to be anti Hindu and therefore deduced that not only I am a Pakistani but that I am a “terrorist material”.

    The fact is clear for all to see, that you have a cantankerous personality, whilst you are capable of dishing abuse out, but you are poor at receiving it.

    Now heed the good advice that is being offered. Attack the arguments and not the person. Play the ball and not the player.

    That would make for a good debate.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    I proved that you were imposter. I have no problem with your anti-India or anti-hindu views. Even I have anti-hindu views on my issues.
    My problem with you was your fake identity. There is nothing wrong in being muslim or pakistani and be anti-hindu but don’t pretend to be hindu or sikh because you are not.

    I am just replying to Sharma’s immaturity with immaturity. I challenged with to post a blog remotely critical to Sonia/Rahul’s silence on corruption but he resorted to abuses (casteist) to deflect attention.

    I am against his paid journalism..I am not against the person SHARMA but his mindset.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Rajeev

    That was my last try.

    No deal. Next time I hear any form of abuse including name calling and/or assertions about my religion/nationality/sexuality.

    I WILL ABUSE YOU WITH THE FOULEST LANGUAGE POSSIBLE

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shut up. First he honest about your identity.

    Behati ganga mein haath mat dho..Everyone calls you a jehadi now.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Jehadi,
    I am shaking in my boots…you are so scary.. :)

    Why can’t you be honest for your allah’s sake? Nobody will kill you if you reveal that you are a fundamentalist muslim. You have right to be so. All I want from you is honesty.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    You incest progeny, you would not know what honesty is if your jamadarni gave it to you in a commode.

    I did warn you.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    I proved that you were an imposter. End of the matter. Almost 90% of the bloggers agree that you are closet Jehadi. My work is done..You can keep barking as much as you want because your are already defeated…. Was that Jamdarni your mother? just curious.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Rajeev

    The only person – who seems convinced by your way of thinking that any one who is anti Hindu must be under an assumed identity – is YOU.

    The Jamadarni was your little sister, you moron.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    I couldn’t have agreed with you more. Shall try to keep my cool as the site has my imprint.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ravi,
    Is your mother my sister?

  • Vinay

    @Shenoy,
    Agree with your criticism of Nehru regarding defending territories. Kashmir is a mess because of his confusion to understand his own land. If he had felt, accession should be decided according to people’s wish, then he should not have signed agreement with Hari Singh. (We would have accepted and lived with the fact that Kashmir is part of Pakistan, just like Lahore). Once India signed the agreement, he should have shown commitment to keep the state with India just like rest of the states which joined. He should not have gone and promised to hold plebiscite again. It is his ambiguity, which has put India in a fix.

    But I don’t want to say same thing about NAM. I feel, that was the best policy even though most member countries were poor. We were trading with both Iran and US both. We can negotiate between US and Russia for better arm deals. I feel we can get better deals in the world, if we don’t become puppet to any master. Pakistan did not achieve any great deal during Bangladesh partition, for being close to US. US has always closed their eyes, whenever Pakistanis had a dictator.

    Socialism was fine in earlier days, when the society was still feudal. Numerous land reforms changed the social structure (which never happened in Pak). But post 70s, the policy should have changed. But Indira continued with popular socialistic programmes like Garibi Hatao, which slowed India’s growth. Interestingly MMS was the person who was policy adviser of Indira in early 70’s. Today, when he takes the credit for liberal Indian policies, he forgets to explain why he did not advise the same in 70s.

    Anna Hazare is today’s JP. Hope he will be the topic of Vinod Sharma’s next blog.

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Vinay

    In the main, I agree with you.

    However, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    When critically evaluating Nehru, Indira, or for that matter any one else, it is wise to not use contemporary criteria to evaluate historical decisions and policies.

    We forget that when Nehru and Indira were pursuing hard socialist policies, such ideology was in vogue and a very significant area of the world was under leftist rule.

    Today more centrist policies are the fashion and both hard left and right stand discredited.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinay,

    about NAM. If a hundred beggars join together and form a club, they are still called beggars. When China attacked India in 1962, not a single NAM member, including Nasser and Tito, took India’s side. All were silent and looking the other way. Nehru had to approach US, then the world’s worst capitalist bully, and beg for arms and ammunition to be rushed, which the US did promptly, the supply planes landing round the clock.

    In the world arms bazaar, the one who pays the piper calls the tune and we didn’t have the necessary “dumdies” in our pocket and hence had to beg or play USSR against US and collect the crumbs from the table after the party.

    Our dear FM of those days, Krishna Menon, spoke for nine hours non-stop on Kashmir in the security council debate, but it didn’t change the ground realities even an inch in our favour. It took a broken and paralytsed Nehru long to realise the harsh realities of power play, but by then it was too late.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    Read this mature man’s reply and make your own judgement. This is coming from a person who looks like a frog with no neck..ugly with slave mind. This post show his real level..Sadakchaap journalist.
    Is bande ko Sirf aur Tide mein dhokar bhi saaf nahi kar saktey…Looks like this guy still uses Nirma to wash his panties.

    “vinod sharma Reply:
    April 8th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    @Rajeev Y
    Why should anybody be interested about “personal details” (whatever it means) of an uncouth, unhygenic man ? Why should I count the teeth of somebody who froths at his mouth or be keen to know when you last wore a washed underwear?
    There is bound to be strong, offensive odour about your details….err personal details. Nirma is kapdey dhona shuru karo RYjee.”

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Please watch Timenow debate on Anna Hazare whenever you get time. You will see a nervous Sharma nodding all the time scared youth on the show will shove unshaved bamboo up his arse.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    For all who think I am being harsh on Sharma, let me be very respectful towards SHarma and request him to post a blog critical to Sonia/Rahul on their silence on corruption (without balancing it with Yeddy and BJP bashing).

    This is what I have to say..Now you guys are free to preach Sharma.

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    tajender Reply:

    puttar is it right,

    rss shakha mein electronic identity se nahin balki ek doosrey kee *** smell karke identity establish karte hain.

    ramavtar jee kaha karte they.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Vinay, thank you for supporting me on Nehru, otherwise sometimes one feels one ploughs a lonely furrow. Your nice detailed analysis of NAM, its relevance then, and the trial with with socialism subequently, which NOBODY in the third world discredited then- makes for very good reading.

    Regarding Kashmir, your comments are good, but is it ALL Nehru’s fault? No one else? When Sheikh Abdullah signed an accord with Indira Gandhi in 1975, did we all not think it was the beginning of a new dawn? Remember that Kashmir, for all its alienation, never rose against India in any of the Indo-Pak wars.

    Why did it then explode in 1988? My firm belief is that the Khalistani movement in India had brought it to its knees, and with the diversion of the dreaded Mujaheddin and Taleban towards India backed by the now fearsome ISI, we were caught napping.
    Many a times I have felt in the past that it would be better to let Kashmir go. Only 2 things held me back- 1) The fear that radical Islam or Taleban or whatever, would then be that much closer to Delhi 2) Kargil. Now, the lives of Saurabh Kalia and ‘yeh dil maange more Batra’ could not be sold so cheaply.

    Thats all for now, thanks all, for setting this blog alight

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Pankaj, welcome, I have enjoyed reading you before. You were right about Zia’s blog becoming ‘toxic’, when abuse starts flying around, the more dignified people leave.

    @Vinod ji, you had stated above- ‘ I take Mr Mishra’s advice against meaningless slugfests on the margins of a serious discussion’. Sir, you did not take my advice for long. MY MUM USED TO SAY- EK CHUP SAU KO HARATA HAI

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,
    Why are you so sympathetic to Casteist Sharma? Is it because he too is brahmin?

    Most of the bloggers are punjabi, brahmin, bengali, muslim, malyalee etc. but hardly anyone is Indian.

    Please rise above your narrow identities. You should not be sympathetic to fellow brahmin. It’s shameful.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Rajeev, when you are not worked up, I enjoy your input. But I just hate bad language and name calling. We are Indians, we were perhaps the first in the world to debate, did you know that the first experiments in small republics took place thousand of years ago, in Bihar.
    There is a lovely term for debate which goes back a long way- it is called SHASTRARTHA.
    You are a proud descendent of that noble tradition, follow it

    Rajeev Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,
    I agree with your words but does so-called debates that you indulge in, produce any kind of result. With your kind of debate, people like Ravi become bolder about their fake identities and keep fooling you with dishonest arguements. Your debate should be potent enough to expose lies of others. Thats what I did. I am sorry, I had to stoop to their level to expose them but I got results.
    Same with Sharma, I have exposed that he is a biased journalist and that too a casteist to the core. Got results.
    I respect your views but you should try to see bigger picture. Every time I was abused first and then I retaliated.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Warning Warning Warning

    Somebody just appropriated the patent to Indianness. What a joke. And what a jocker this guy is. Ask him to go consult a shrink. He thinks he is Anna. But he comes across as a khota aanaa :) )

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Sharma,
    I am not weak hearted like you who will post his personal stories to gain sympathy.
    I basically dismiss anything coming from you because you have proved time and again that you are paid journalist. Anybody who has seen you on TV has made similar conclusion.

    I am more Indian than you because I have never indulged in any kind of corruption till date.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Dr Mishra
    I recognize the power of silence. But I am also sometimes inspired by the following lines.

    Sometimes with secret pride I sigh
    That how patient am I
    Then wonder what is really mine
    Patience or rubber spine

    I retaliate only when pushed to the corner and abused needlessly. The “despicable object” in question raised fingers at my honesty, professional integrity and intellect before descending to drag in my daughter — the only child I am left with after my son’s death some six years ago in a road accident. I would never have disclosed this very personal loss. I am doing so only to share with you the deep pain inflicted on me by the boorish man who provoked me.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    My sympathies for you, Mr.Sharma.

    You provoked me to retaliate but if I have caused you any personal pain, my apologies.

    I don’t expect apology from a brainwashed person like you. This is difference between me and you. I have heart unlike you.

    But the fact remains that you are a biased journalist.
    With all respect to your age, I request you to post a blog critical to Sonia/Rahul for their silence on this massive loot with balancing it with BJP/RSS/Yeddy bashing. Please prove everyone that I am wrong.

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Mr Vinod Sharma

    Well said.

    The said “despicable object” lacks both strength of character and an ability to argue dispassionately.

    If it is any consolation, he is abusive, provocative and extremely shallow elsewhere as well.

    You are polite with him I am not.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shut up..you jehadi.

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    ha ha- a bit of light relief – http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/134671/sports/dont-treat-us-as-untouchables-afridi-appeals-to-bcci.html
    translation- guys, I forgot about the IPL millions when I opened my mouth

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Afridi has proved that he is true pakistani. Whenever they open mouth, they speak lies.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    translation- guys, I forgot about the IPL millions when I opened my mouth
    but, honestly, not for a second, did I forget that India is full of bleeding heart Pakistan lovers with aman-ki-asha flags in hand, who themselves are asking, 26/11, what is that?

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    Vinay Reply:

    @Mishra,
    If Sheik Abdullah’s pact with Indira was the new beginning, if everything was fine till 1988 why did we (and still) have article 370 for Jammu and Kashmir? The article was not introduced because of Taliban/Mujaheddin/ISI.

    @Shenoy,
    Regarding Indo-China war. True, other countries have remained spectators. But this world always reacts the same way towards a weaker country. Be it Lebanon-Israel, Russia-Chechnya. What matters is whether we are strong, not how close we are to a strong nation. As for Nehru begging US for arms and ammunition, US never does anything for charity. It charged Kuwait heavily after winning Saddam in Kuwait war. UK finished its II world war loan just few years ago. We were no different.

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  • tajender

    rajeev i hope u will agree,

    What a pity our idli-sambar, micro-minority, grass-eating papans have killed the world’s most popular game — football.

    Their heart is in the stupid cricket, a game which is neither man nor woman. IPL frauds. Olympics has ranked India at 133, below some unknown islands. What a shame that the Brahminical India is at the bottom in everything — though it is the world’s No.2 in population. But No.1 in bragging, boasting, cheating, manipulating. Shameless fellows.

    The hate-mongering Brahminists starved our robust Muslims and SC/ST/BCs, banned cow slaughter which made them weak and killed their stamina, affecting our sports. Vegetarianism killed our sports which will be proved in the coming Delhi Commonwealth Games in which India will eat the dust.

    Brahminists are killing India itself. We have said it repeatedly. A land where milk and honey were once flowing is today blighted beyond recognition.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Tajender;(?)
    Are you, on , some real hard stuff? On 9 April 2011, you are writng, coming Delhi CWG? My dear, that is over with a stunning performance from Indians. Beef eating Pakistanis, were at the bottom of the rung. Beef eating Pakistanis have been humiliated in every encounter with India, or your Madarsa has no curriculum of subcontinental history, only Islamiat and Pakistaniyat. You will continue to wear your green goggle, even in the present darkness, surrounding Pakistan.

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    tajender Reply:

    sorry i mean to say asian games.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Just few days back, beef eating pakistani team was beaten by Idli sambhar eating Indians. Now beef eating pakistanis are begging Indians for IPL berth.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Rajeev
    Now Afridi begs that Pakistani players should not be treated as ‘untouchables’ for playing in IPL. He seems to be having some psychic disorder. He is not cohesive and rather forgets that what he uttered and what is saying now are quite diametrically opposite to each other. That is the mental health of beef eating people. There is so much toxicity intorduced in the system that it makes one a sort of toxic jelly, where one neither collapses and nor is stable.
    BNA

  • http://- Rajeev

    Dr.Mishra,
    On a serious note, I think Anna Hazare is recommending wrong people to the joint commission. Both father and son Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhusan are known maoist sympathisers and have been very vocal about rights of terrorists. There was a debate on NDTV where Prashant Bhushan made very offending statements against India supporting maoists and kashmiri terrorists. He was about to be bashed by Bitta.
    Then there is another colorful character called Swami Agnivesh who too is maoist sympathiser.
    I may sound bit pro-congress but these characters are not good for Jan Lok pal Bill because their sole aim is to target our armed forces.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    Anna Hazare must be under some sort of pressure tactics played by the Congress to introduce people in the joint commission who are favorable to the party

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Paritosh and Rajeev

    Well, to some extent I agree with you. But is’nt it was Prashant Bhushan who argued in the 2G scam cases in supreme court and won the case against the govt. for the masses.?Yes, both Prashant and Shanti Bhushans are inclined to wards Maoism. But I feel their influence on Maoists can be used more productively to merge these outfits with the mainstream.
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BN Anand
    The presence of the Bhushan father son duo on the same panel might seem odd. But Hazare was keen to match in the civil society team the legal acumen injected by the govt in its team —- kapil, moily, salmaan and chidambaram are all lawyers and Pranab is heading them. To call the Bhushans Maoist sympathizers is ridiculous. They aren’t liked by sections of the right wing for their opposition to POTA. But their fight against corruption in judiciary and elsewhere is unmatched.
    It will be pertinent to note in this context as to which lawyer is defending Anil Ambani in the 2G scam. Pl ask those differing with you this question. And when they tell you the names of the lawyers, ask them whose surrogates these laweyrs are?

    Rajeev Reply:

    The team constituted by Anna Hazare is not balance. Both Bhushans have sympathy for Maoists. They may be in this for totally different reason. Both father and son want Army and Para-military forces to be punished for so called excesses. He should have kept just one Bhusan and should have requested a person like Soli Soarbjee to join panel.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji

    In the first instance, I share your grief for having lost a young son. One is always helpless and one has to bow to Almighty’s will. But I must compliment you for your courage in bearing with such a tragedy.

    Yes, to me too,it looks odd for a father and son to be on the same panel to present Indian public. But then they have a record for their being fearless activists. After all they are not going to get red beacon cars and are doing a service as as thankless job. They are most likely to face brickbats rather than bouquets for any slip. Even at stake is Anne Hazare’s credibility. But I am sure they will do full justice to the public faith.

    Even if they are Maoists sympathisers, it hardly matters as long as they can keep a balance between their aspirations and public interests.

    Let us not mix profession with politics. It is indeed versatility of the lawyer to keep the interest of his client and public interest independent of each other. Well, up to now no lawyer, especially the one you hinted, has compromised his position. Surely, the public , especially, the media is not going to spare if any such mixing of profession with politics happens.
    Regards
    BNA

  • ISI Agent & SHAN’s KUTTAR

    What is in a name?

    Whenever any one talks about P. G. Woodhouse, eventually one will come across some one who would accuse him of being a Nazi sympathiser. This accusation has cast a long shadow over this great writer. Although he was exonerated of all wrong doings, such allegations have become unbreakably linked to his name.

    “I explain this to Jeeves and he said the same thing had bothered Hamlet”

    Marian Evans the writer of many Victorian psychological novels said that she changed her name to George Eliot to ensure her works were taken seriously.

    George Alan O’Dowd a leading light of the English New Romantic pop music movement, dressed in such a Karma Chameleon androgynous manner that he felt the need to add BOY in front of GEORGE, to advertise his real sex having sartorially obliterated its obvious signs.

    Over the last few days, in this blog, a spat has been progressing between Vinod Sharma and Rajeev, on the subject of name. As another wise blogger pointed out here that Vinod Sharma’s name is well known, whilst Rajeev – despite being common – remains anonymous. Vinod tries to complete Rajeev’s name by trying to fit a second part to it. Unfortunately that in Indian context not only completes a name it also gives it a putative position in social hierarchy. The one he finally settled on befits Rajeev’s character and probably belittles him deservedly.

    Four or so centuries ago in the plains of Punjab, Baba Nanak, was preaching a new philosophy. Sceptics and critics alike, repeatedly asked him what is the name of your god. The very essence of this question was so antithetical to Baba Ji’s preaching that an appropriate answer became necessary.

    NAM.

    Baba Nanak said, the name of his god is NAM.

    Baba Nanak’s devotees – of which I am one – felt the need to add the word Sat in front to distinguish their god from a myriad of other gods. Therefore, our god became Sat Nam.

    Ravi – aka ISI Agent/Kuttar/Jihadi/Pakistani/terrorist material/etc.

    Rajeev – isn’t google a wonderful tool

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Jehadi talking about Nanak to prove he is sikh. Too late Jehadi boy…

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    It is never too late to marvel at your mindless mischief

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    Rajeev Reply:

    When has taliban started loving Nanak?

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    :) , :)

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Lottery lwyuers and defenders of two sides of the Ambanis are also as guilty. However it worries me in case this platform against graft is hijacked by closed economy leftists.

    We need transparency and policies in which development happens without creating wealth monoplies through crony capitalism. We need honesty but not opposers of development.

    Unfortunately the Congress was turning a blind eye to corruption as in 2G.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Dr Anand

    Pakistan is bit of a dark comedy!!

    They think that the world has not seem through their game. Well, most of the world has, except the most innocent or dumbos like Mani Aiyar.. :)

    They think they can keep milking the world for money in the name of fighting terror, while maintaining a secret agenda of jehad, conversion and murder. But then from New Delhi to New york, the world now sees them as liers, murderers and terrorists… :D

    So, while the world knows who they are, they still feel it is more important to shelter Hafeez Saeed, Dawood and breed heroin smuglers because in thier minds, they can fool all !! :) :) :)

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Vijay

    There is no doubt that Pakistan knows what it is doing.

    The world knows what Pakistan is doing.

    The issue is not lack of knowledge, but is that of understanding why it does, what it does, and how to dissuade it from doing it.

    USA has been using the carrot and stick strategy with Pakistan, with only marginal success.

    Each has a strategy and an arsenal of tactics and is locked in a game of chess. Their fortunes ebb and flow on an incident-by-incident basis.

    For Pakistan army Jihad is not a strategy, it is a tool. Much in the same way Indira Gandhi promoted Bhindranwalle as a tool against Akali Dal. Bhindranwalle then developed his independent agenda as have Al Qaida and Pakistan Taliban.

    As far as Hafeez Saeed and Dawood are concerned, they are the creation of Pakistan Army so it is only natural that it shelters them.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ shan

    I think there is only one solution to Pakistan at this point. Just dismantle it. The US has started bombing Libya at the slightest pretext. Now it may be a good idea to to start with the Pakistani army first…

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Vijay Kumar

    Sir, the way the Pakistan govt. maneuvered to release Davis and allowed him to leave the country by transporting him from the court to the airport is a clear example of all their pretensions and hypocrisy. That an American who can shoot two Pakistanis in daylight in an open street of Pakistan
    and then to kill another in a road accident exposes the hollow bravado of Pakistan people. We can not hope at any time that they will do the same by deporting Dawood and Hafiz Saeed at any time. It is a worthless expectation and it is better if we write off. It is indeed pity that we have a jelly like neighbour which would neither collapse nor be stable at any time.
    Regards
    BNA

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Dr Anand,

    Money and blood money makes the Pakistani state work ! :)

    In case we were to route say USD 100 million thru the US to the PM and opposition parties of Pakistan, I can bet my bottom tax paid rupee that Dawood will be deported to Mumbai and Hafeez Saeed sent on a donkey to Wagah !! :D :D :D

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  • usman chaudhry

    @Mr V. Sharma
    Grieved to hear loss of your child sir. Accept my condolences.

    Usman
    Pakistan

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  • http://- Rajeev

    My sympathies for you, Mr.Sharma.

    You provoked me to retaliate but if I have caused you any personal pain, my apologies.

    I don’t expect apology from a brainwashed person like you. This is difference between me and you. I have heart unlike you.

    But the fact remains that you are a biased journalist.
    With all respect to your age, I request you to post a blog critical to Sonia/Rahul for their silence on this massive loot with balancing it with BJP/RSS/Yeddy bashing. Please prove everyone that I am wrong.

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    This contrived contrition is coming from a castrated cat on its way to Haj after devouring 100 innocent mice.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Terrorist rat speaking…

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    :)

    Rajeev Reply:

    Terrorist rat can smile too…

  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dear Vinod

    Sorry to hear about your pain. Rajeev, please lay off Vinod.

    @shenoy, Vijay Kumar and DR Anand – please do not belitle Aman ki asha. It has its place. You can still deal with Pak firmly when you want to, ie, by excluding them from IPL after Kasab.
    Aman … is imp because to defeat Pakistan, you have to defeat an idea, that has been slowly implanted in the minds of most- that they are different form us, that Islam is everything- a very backward and hate filled form of Islam- which dictates everything from the length of the beard to the fact that the shalwar of men should finish above the ankle- to the more dangerous notion that even to discuss the blasphemy law is to invite death- Taseer and Bhatti.

    America does it its own way with attaching conditions in the Kerry Lugar bill, quite ham fisted approach. We Indians do it our own way- soft power- shared cuture and music, ppl to ppl contacts, letting them see the grandeur of the CWG, the world cup, the IPL. In short, by killing an idea, the very idea their present foundations are based on. And that is where Aman ki asha is imp – keep hacking away at a coal face. Someone somewhere has listened , someone somewhere did not strap a lethal belt on.
    rest later- Dr Mishra, Yorkshire

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Dera Usman Chowdhury from Pakistan,
    Welcome to this blog. Always keen to hear comments from sarhad paar

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Usman

    Just in case you are not aware.

    Dr Mishra and his cronies denounce any Indian whose views they do not like, by calling them as Pakistani’s. It is meant as an insult.

    Yet here they are welcoming you. Hypocrites the lot of them.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Osama-lover Ravi,
    You should know that Usman has been on this blog for a long time.

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Mr “ISI Agent & Shan’s Kuttar”

    Dear, what in God’s name is this nic? You represent mulitple personalities would advice to come with true identity.

    Five fingers of the hand are not equal. I have good experiences of interaction with some of them; and because of few names i’m still attached to this blog. Else, I would have left it long time back. And yes!, I’m aware of what you said.

    Usman

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Usman

    I used to use my real name. But no one believed it to be true, so I adopted what they mostly call me. A Pkistani, a Jihadi, an ISI agent, and on several occassions, Shan has called me a Kuttar (which aparently is the same as Kutta).

    They have all asked me to go away from time to time. Are you doing the same.

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    @ISI Agent & Shan’s
    Nope. I’m no one to say someone to go away. I’m not entitled to such ownership. Even if im i would never practice it.
    Was just querious about your strange nic. Post anything with your real name. Often at times i have also come under such statements where i’ve been tagged as “convert” which is far from reality and hardly makes a difference. Only truth and reality matters.
    Hope it enlightens your thoughts.

    Usman

    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Dr Mishra,

    Thanks for the welcome even though i’ve been a frequent visitor for the past (almost) two years now. Would love to share views on politics, sports and lots more.

    Usman

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    a detailed question for you below, pl scroll down

    Rajeev Reply:

    Dr.Sharma,
    Sure…I’ll pardon Mr.Sharma this time.

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    Vinay Reply:

    That is funny Rajeev, you dragged his daughter unnecessarily. Now offering to pardon Sharma. Of course, I didn’t enjoy Sharma’s digs towards Rajeev Y. But I feel, personalised attacks weaken the argument. I back your request(/demand) to Vinod Sharma to post a blog critical of Sonia/Rahul.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinay,
    I never meant to cause any personal pain. If you look at earlier blogs, he was first to bring in parents then caste. He has used every possible abuse. I only responded in kind.
    I again go back to my old demand from him-
    Prove me wrong that you are not a biased journalist..Shame me with your honesty.

  • shan

    Well Well Well , what are we discussing , Cricket or Corruption . Corruption is universal , In India we talk a lot about corruption but are happy to be part of it when it suits us , or put it other way without corruption the system simply comes to a halt. gunnar myrdal has discussed this at length in his seminalbook Asian Drama. Not everybody in india is corrupt , not every organisation in India is corrupt. Corruption has a cultural basis , PUNJABIS are the most corrupt , and BIMARU plus MAHARASHTRA is most corrupt.
    In India corruption is mainly monetary inducements, in WEST it is sexual favour. but petty corruption does not exist in UK , though we are seeing more cases due to arrival of south asians(sorry this is a fact)
    In India’s case , this is father of nation Circa 1932 calcutta, occasion All India Congress Meeting, the venue , house of sarat Bose (brother of Netaji)
    Women folks from Birla household came to see Gandhi , they prostrated in front of him .
    Gandhi said “BETI LOG HUMARE LIYE KUCH NEHI LAYI HO”
    The womenfolks immediately produced a wad of notes and placed in front of the feet of Gandhi .
    The rise of Birlas with Permit Raj post independence would not have been difficult to foresee.
    Sorry vinod Ji , I understand any bad words about Congress sends you in a state of mental despair
    The slugfest at the periphery of discussion is a healthy sign of our androgen level , and we do not need to use Flomax.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Pandit Sharmaji,
    With all respect to your age, I request you to post a blog critical to Sonia/Rahul for their silence on this massive loot with balancing it with BJP/RSS/Yeddy bashing. Please prove everyone that I am wrong.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Why didn’t we see YOUTH ICON Rahul Gandhi supporting Anna? Any idea.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    good point Rajeev. Rahul did not support Anna but Sonia did, in fact, the strongest statement from a congressi came from her on Thurs.
    I was a bit perturbed to see some denigrate Anna. In fact, Mayank Shekhar’s blog in HT, although well written, was a hatchet job on Anna’s motives. I had written there and I reproduce it here-
    Dr Mishra, UK says:
    April 8, 2011 at 2:13 am
    At least he is doing something mister author, while you and I, with expensive educations and fat salaries behind us, just punch keys on a computer and hope mera bharat mahaan ho jayega, ek world cup jeet kar.

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Bharat ek world cup jeet kar mahan nahin ho sakta.

    Lekin aap ko is baat ka yakin kyon hai, ki ek bhook hartal se shayad woh mahan ho jaye.

    The Pariament street in New Delhi is full of people protesting about some thing or another, and not very much changes as a result of these protests.

    For real change to take place the political structures have to change. India needs an effective opposition and not a communal party with narrowly defined agenda in opposition.

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Ravi/ Isi- it would be sad if the momentum of this agitation peters out. There are big legal brains behind this including the respected Justice Hegde.
    I dont think corruption will be abolished at a stroke, but it should be lessened drastically. There is a precedent- the Lokayukta in Karnatak, well established has a fairly formidable reputation.
    I am just hoping for some juicy kills on CWG and 2G, and then the Pawars and Rajas of tomorrow will think twice before looting.
    Or the nice Gen Kapur ( a family friend, I regret to say) who took a free luxury apartment in Adarsh because it seemed ???? kosher

    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra.

    You post has made me pause, the beautiful song “Mohabat aise dhardkan hai jo samjhai nahin jati” sung by C Ramchandra himslef when he came to the BBC studios in Birmingham. I will resume my nostalgic trip after this reply.

    Like you I too hope that such a protest does herald some change, the difference between us I guess is the level of optimism each of us is prepared to attach to this.

    Bhook Hartal was a favourite weapon of Mahatma Gandhi (Yes I still regard him as a Mahatma), but its success was largely due to its novelty as well as the fact British did not know how to handle it.

    However, since then most senior managers and government ministers have been on Assertiveness Training and can recognise Passive Aggression when they see it. The antidotes to this form of agitation is now more potent than it used to be.

    In saying above I do not wish for his efforts to fail, merely moderating my expectations.

    An India without corruption will truly be mahan.

    Mere dil ne sajay hain, yeh sajde aaj rahon mein.
    Jo halat ashki ki hai, wo batalai nahin jaati.

    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    and I think the Bhushans have spine- father son duo stand firm that there is corruption in the judiciary and can submit a list of corrupt judges and ex judges – http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?700681

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,
    No doubt Bhushans have spine but their stand on Maoist terrorism is not acceptable. You should read and watch more about them. Infact Prashant Bhushan has publicly advocated for rights of terrorists and brushed aside victims.

    I admit they have impeccable integrity but are far too liberal. Not good for national security.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    if I am not wrong, Shanti Bhushan was the lawyer for Raj Narain in the case against Indira Gandhi in the Allahabad High Court, where she lost the case and her election to the Lokasabha was declared void. She was also barred from contesting any election for six years.

    He was also the Law minister in the Janata government headed by Morarji Desai.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,
    Sonia Gandhi released a very diplomatic statement which by any stretch of imagination can not be called support forget strong support.

    It is under her watch India is witnessing massive loot running in lakhs of crores. These kind of amount in corruption is unheard of. The PM is just a puppet with no real power so it is Sonia Gandhi who should answer people. She can not longer insulate herself from burning issue. The firewall of Chamchas both in politics and media is starting to crumble.

    On a separate note, I find arrogant reply of Amitabh Bachchan to one of blogger amusing. He says he doesn’t have to broadcast his opposition to corruption but for common people, it is required because people have seen him hobnobbing with political broker Amar Singh for more than a decade.

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    shan Reply:

    Bacchan speaking about corruption , ha ha ha .His good for nothing brother made millions courtsey of the family’s link with the gandhis(Dalali , which made possible their LAVISH lifesyle in UK and the equally vulgar and ostentatious parties thrown by his ex wife Ramola bacchan.
    His father a second rate poet gets all the padma awards and gyanpith and what not all courtsey of his Sardarni mother’s sucking up to Indira gandhi

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I suppose he has not yet been so advised by his mentor, Digvinash Singh, who specialises in giving only wrong advice to the clown prince.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I guess Digvijay Singh has become leader of LeT. Pro-Digvijay LeT is asking paid scribes to put blame of Maulana killing on hindu right wingers.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Blame-radical-Hindu-outfits-for-Srinagar-clerics-killing-Lashkar-told-scribe/articleshow/7929970.cms
    SRINAGAR: The army on Saturday said it has intercepted a PoK-based Lashkar-e-Taiba spokesman’s conversation with a Kashmiri journalist, asking him to plant a story about the hand of radical Hindu outfits in the killing of a moderate cleric in Srinagar on Friday.

    A defence spokesman said Abdullah Gaznavi had asked the journalist to mislead people into believing that the Shiv Sena and the Bajrang Dal had triggered the blast that killed Maulana Showkat Ahmad Shah. But LeT condemned Shah’s killing. “It is the handiwork of the activists of right-wing parties, including the Bajrang Dal and Abhinav Bharat. Indian forces and their agencies have perpetrated these acts,” a local news agency quoted Gaznavi as saying.

    LeT chief Wahid Kashmiri too condemned the killing, saying it was an attempt to divide Kashmiris. “The separatist leaders should remain united in this hour of grief and isolate the elements that are hell bent on creating a wedge among the people,” the news agency quoted him as saying. “It is the responsibility of both factions of the Hurriyat to remove the black sheep. Those who claim to be champions of truth should come forward and identify the killers.”

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  • shalu

    to the hindu idiots on this board…

    aseemanand withdreww his confession alleging pressure…not a word from elmedia….which was proppagateing lies against saffron just like they did against modi…

    where are the paankajes and shenoys……who get sleepless nights if some calls a spade a spade

    and uses apt free speech to describe this blogger…

    they have no problem with children dieing of hunger and poverty..as long as it doesnt affect their family..

    their backside erupts like avolcano if someone is not polite to a fault or calls a congress spade a spade because he comes into our homes to mislead and fraud us

    screaming saffron terror and modi is *** murdererr.

    to these hindu softies with promiscuous emotional pulp for their subjugated cowardly but highly egotistic brains hindu brains, these r not the issues….

    see how thse idiots r not commenting about aseemanda suppresion by the affable english media frauds..

    instead pankaj’s raer end will explode at this message because someone is describing media frauds aptly using free speech..

    as long as india produces soft wimpish ,clowns like pankaj who are part of the reason india has always been subjugated and looted….

    these guys r into the arts just like media,only to compensate their big unjustified egos, who have bottomranked marks in school and cant do anything except arts with 50 % cutoff marks.

    they r elitist idiots who confuse english literacyand shayari with brains

    only in india can such a subjugated hindu tribe with a deep inferiority complex and big egos
    actually think that a colonial language and some pretence of being a shayar or a poet can
    make up for analytical brains ..they shuld look at their school marks and the mirror to remind their
    egos what they r….

    shenoy actually finds this aseemannada fraud affable..

    what else can u expect from hindus…not only r they emotionally enslaved cowards and love to be slaves……but unforgivably they r emotionally devalued and allow idiotic sentimentality to affect all their thinking..

    now we r being told by media that those who vote aginst modi and bjp and pro congress r actually against corruption….

    examples medha patkar,swami agniwesh,rahul bose etc who r part of the media mafia…

    modi is the touchstone..u cannot be against corruption and against modi period..

    and the pankajes and shenoys re pulpy weathercocks who are most concerend about taking fashionable postions against the only viable opposition that can replace corruption olympic medalist congress…

    pankaj is sleeping peacefully even if 35 % live in abject povert while their money has made switzerland rich…

    god save india from this pathetic species called hindus who produce jaichands in media who love pakistani killers more than 26-11 victims ….and lose sleep if someone describes a jaichand as a deplorable traitor…no to shenoy jaichand was affable…an dpankaj has no problem with media hiding aseemanda latest news

    people like shenoy and pankaj explain the subjugation and disrespect for india all over the world and history…poor rajeev also showed his hindu weakness by not realizing his right to free speech…

    no wonder anyone can walk into this country and intimidate like the foreign activists who descended on the court in the binayak case…

    but expecting shenoy and pankaj to think analytically is to much..they think shayaris,songs
    and poetry make up for facts,logic and analysis ..what hopeless morons

    all the words here r merely descriptive of facts….lest idiots decribe them as abuse..these guys do not even know they r not judges by authority nor ability…just because their egoes make them appoint themselves…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    OK Shalu;
    Much against my better judgement, I will take your bait. I am really flattered that,me, who, seldom comes to write, has some body reading me. Thanks.
    Shalu, your name suggest, you are a female, but your language is like chavanni Chhap. So, in your half wisdom, you are trying to portray your self and revealng your self as Chalu and not Shalu.
    I read your post many times and could not figure out, what you are trying to say.
    To you, Internet warriors, I just want to convey, to look down into your heart and feel, what you have done for this nation, before asking others. You have no idea, of what I have done for India,but I can safely say, that by your language, what you have done for India.
    Your’s is a typical case of having freedome to write,and express yourself, that too in a prestigious paper like HT with no responsibility. Same thing, what is happening with most of our fellow nationals.
    Would not like to speak to you any further.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Shri Pankaj,

    Be happy that you have Shenoy for company.

    This Chalu Shalu comes in different forms, three-in-one. kabhie Shalu, kabhie Eena, kabhie Meena (Das). On each blog, she comes with a new, fancy name.

    I feel she is a Hindu Ram Autar.

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  • shalu

    to the hindu emotional slaves and cowards on this board…

    aseemanand withdreww his confession alleging pressure…not a word from elmedia….which was proppagateing lies against saffron just like they did against modi…

    where are the paankajes and shenoys……who get sleepless nights if some calls a spade a spade

    and uses apt free speech to describe this blogger…

    they have no problem with children dieing of hunger and poverty..as long as it doesnt affect their family..

    their backside erupts like avolcano if someone is not polite to a fault or calls a congress spade a spade because he comes into our homes to mislead and fraud us

    screaming saffron terror and modi is *** murdererr.

    to these hindu softies with promiscuous emotional pulp for their subjugated cowardly but highly egotistic brains hindu brains, these r not the issues….

    see how thse idiots r not commenting about aseemanda suppresion by the affable english media frauds..

    instead pankaj’s raer end will explode at this message because someone is describing media frauds aptly using free speech..

    as long as india produces soft wimpish ,clowns like pankaj who are part of the reason india has always been subjugated and looted….

    these guys r into the arts just like media,only to compensate their big unjustified egos, who have bottomranked marks in school and cant do anything except arts with 50 % cutoff marks.

    they r elitist idiots who confuse english literacyand shayari with brains

    only in india can such a subjugated hindu tribe with a deep inferiority complex and big egos
    actually think that a colonial language and some pretence of being a shayar or a poet can
    make up for analytical brains ..they shuld look at their school marks and the mirror to remind their
    egos what they r….

    shenoy actually finds this aseemannada fraud affable..

    what else can u expect from hindus…not only r they emotionally enslaved cowards and love to be slaves……but unforgivably they r emotionally devalued and allow idiotic sentimentality to affect all their thinking..

    now we r being told by media that those who vote aginst modi and bjp and pro congress r actually against corruption….

    examples medha patkar,swami agniwesh,rahul bose etc who r part of the media mafia…

    modi is the touchstone..u cannot be against corruption and against modi period..

    and the pankajes and shenoys re pulpy weathercocks who are most concerend about taking fashionable postions against the only viable opposition that can replace corruption olympic medalist congress…

    pankaj is sleeping peacefully even if 35 % live in abject povert while their money has made switzerland rich…

    god save india from this pathetic species called hindus who produce jaichands in media who love pakistani killers more than 26-11 victims ….and lose sleep if someone describes a jaichand as a deplorable traitor…no to shenoy jaichand was affable…an dpankaj has no problem with media hiding aseemanda latest news

    people like shenoy and pankaj explain the subjugation and disrespect for india all over the world and history…poor rajeev also showed his hindu weakness by not realizing his right to free speech…

    no wonder anyone can walk into this country and intimidate like the foreign activists who descended on the court in the binayak case…

    but expecting shenoy and pankaj to think analytically is to much..they think shayaris,songs
    and poetry make up for facts,logic and analysis ..what hopeless morons

    all the words here r merely descriptive of facts….lest idiots decribe them as abuse..these guys do not even know they r not judges by authority nor ability…just because their egoes make them appoint themselves…

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    about Anna Hazare, I am reminded of two lines of a song:

    Jantar mantar antar se maidaan liyaa hai maar
    haath men hai taqadiir kaa nakshaa ho gayaa beDaa paar

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dear USMAN CHOWDHURY
    I blog a lot on Pakistani newspapers and I am dismayed by the direction Pak society has taken particularly in last 5-10 years. Even the English speaking urbannites have been subsumed by this desire to radically Islamise EVERY aspect of their lives.
    Witness Meher Bokhari (affluent, articulate) viciously shredding Salman Taseer on his defence of poor Asia Bibi- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwccoYD4sUE – are we surprised thet Qadri then does his job and then sings naat to his captors !!
    Then there are these ridiculous SMSs which circulate even here in UK- who is munafiq, what is shirk etc. My muslim secy actually showed me a glossy pamphlet which advises muslims not to celebrate birthdays of their children or to let their kids go to other’s b’day parties because it is NON ISLAMIC !!

    It is what I refd to in my detailed post above as ‘the idea’, and that is what ppl to ppl contact across the border will break down, what the well meaning but ham fisted conditions of the Kerry Lugar bill will not.
    Your opinion pl, USAMAN

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Meher also praises Salman’s father that he had borne the coffin of Ghazi Ilm Din. Talk of living in the past !! Taught a very distorted history from childhood, are we surprised that Hoodbhoy is a traitor and this Ghazi a hero

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    tajender Reply:

    salman taseer was killed by punjabis as being governor he almost paralyzed sherief goverment.they had no other option.asia bibi was a drama.

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    shan Reply:

    No salman tasser was killed BECAUSE PAKISTAN HAS BECOME A BANANA REPUBLIC, FULL STOP NO IFS AND BUTS .

    shan Reply:

    Panditji is back to what he is best at , demonising islam. His caste brethren at one time after babri demolition asked Varnashram (caste) system to brought back. His ilk at point were supporting sati(Roop Kanwar).His soul mates are leading a crusade against cow slaughter thus depriving Hindus like me of my favourite kebabs.It is also known as one for the goose another for the gander.

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    tajender Reply:

    Varnashram (caste) system to brought back

    it is already there,why kalmadi is not arrested so far.6000 crores theft would have killed 100 times more persons than in 26/11.
    there cannot be any bigger fraud than cow slaughter.i am planning to file pil on this in supreme court on this issue.NOBODY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KICK COW OUT OF HOSUE WHEN HER MILK DRIES.SHOULD HAVE STATUS LIKE WIFE.TO EXTRACT MILK
    SHE SHOILD NOT BE INJECTED WITH POISOUS INJECTIONS.this is cruelity.their condition
    on indian streets is really pathetic.worst than beggers.

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    tajender Reply:

    regarding women i wrote u earlier as well.as per geeta woman is out of 4 castes.henece have no soul.her murder carry no punishment.in case roop kanwar shankaracharya supported her murder.

    i never heard supreme court giving maximum punishment toanybody killing woman.our courts runs on manu laws.ayodhya verdict exposed the truth.

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    ISI Agent & SHAN's KUTTAR Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    You may well be right in your observations that celeberations of birthdays and other such occasions is being forbidden by some austere forms of Islam. However, mere observation is not going to get us far. We need to understand the underlying thinking.

    In my mind what is happening here is, some sections of Muslim society are trying to define an ALTERNATIVE culture which is centred around EASTERN (Islamic) values. In order to define what that means they are distinguishing it from WESTERN values. Birthdays, Valentines days etc are seen as a part of WESTERN capitalist decadent society and therefore have no room in this revival of Islamic society.

    This opposition to western values is not some casual reaction; it has some serious thought behind it. The fact that you and I may not like or accept this rejectionist philosophy is unimportant to them.

    Lets not forget that some fringe elements of Indian society are also discouraging Indians from adopting unquestioningly and wholesale some western customs. St Valentines day has been chosen for specific opposition.

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    shan Reply:

    @Simply KUTTAR, by the same logic , LETS HAVE AN EASTERN SCIENCE , ISLAMIC LAWS OF MOTION, ISLAMIC ANTIBIOTICS , utter bollocks and balderdash.
    Why in UK , THEY ARE MAD ABOUT CURRIES, why in school WHITE children in mixed ethnicity schools celebrate DIWALI.BECAUSE THEY ARE CONFIDENT , UNLIKE ISLAM , KNOWING THE STATE IT HAS BEEN DRAGGED INTO , it suffers from massive INFERIORITY COMPLEX, thus tries to overcome this with STUPID ACTS OF DEFIANCE AND OBSCURANTISM

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    tajender Reply:

    shan i ask u give name of one scientist in india.evryday there is report on cheating by indians.muslim act of defiance is very right.when india was occupied indians had same feeling.
    these europeans are robbers.yesterday sarkozy was fighting with french jounralist for calling his wife *****.we donot want to be part of that bloody culture nor want to assimilate
    with them.

  • B.V.SHENOY

    Rajiv, in partnership with Vinod Sharma has scored 110 posts here on this blog.

    Of these 110, Rajiv’s own posts number about 85.

    Let us all celebrate this partnership. Three cheers to Rajiv and Vinodji

    Hip, Hip, Hip Hurray.

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    Vinay Reply:

    Shenoyji,
    If my understanding is correct, Rajiv and Rajeev are two different contributors to the blog. I suppose, you are mentioning about Rajeev.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    With due apologies to Rajiv, I stand corrected.

    It indeed is RAJEEV.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma

    In principal dynastic succesion is wrong. If the father and son duo assume charge, I think it is wrong as all the public’s effort can get distorted.

    Thye may be the best father and son. But they are other good lawyers also in this country who can catch the thieves in the government.

    Hopefully the Lok Pal will have greater powers in the Chief Ministers also, who seem to be looting with impunity

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    there has been news of some problem between Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev , regarding the later’s remark on the Bhushans. even i am unable to comprehend Anna’s judgement regarding the members of the joint committee.

    Anna has also “advised” Ramdev to give up “narrow minded approach” , over his remarks

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    tajender Reply:

    anna hazare and ramdev are both brhmncl stooges and fraud,those who have stolen money wealth of nation should be publicily hanged like in china.but this will never happen,as country is run on manu laws which allows theft of the raj to be taken by high caste.raja being dalit gone to jail kalmadi,being pundit ,is not not even questioned properly.

    THUS SPAKE PERIYAR

    Constitution based on Manu’s law

    Rishis – Born to

    8. Vashistar – Urvasi

    9. Naradar – Washer woman

    10. Kadanasalliyar – Widow

    11. Madankar – Cobbler woman

    12. Mandaviyar – Frog

    13. Kangaeyar – ***

    15. Sounagar – Dog

    16. Ganathar – Owl

    17. Sugar – Paroot

    18. Jambuvantar – Bear

    19. Aswathaman – Horse

    This is the greatness of the Hindu rishis and their births. I think the people of the Barbarian era would at least be more intelligent than our Dravidian people. The history of our forefathers and rishis is disgusting and demeaning. They are responsible for our Dravidian degradation and disgrace. Now let us pass on to other gods.

    As per one Hindu mythology Mahavishnu and Parameswaran both males, fall in love with each other, cohabit and produce a male child which is being worshipped by the Hindu orthodox people even now, as Sastha or Iyappan, or Harihara Puthran.

    Iyappa: Again it is stated clearly that Mahavishnu fell in love with another Brahma rishi called Naradar and produced not one child but 60 babies. 60 years of the Hindus from Prabava are named after the 60 children of Brahma.

    These episodes do not stop with Mahavishnu. We are told of interesting vulgarities about Mahavishnu’s wife called Mahalakshmi. It seems Lakshmi saw a beautiful horse and instantly fell in love with the horse. Vishnu, the knower of all things, came to know about this matter. He immediately changed his wife Lakshmi, into a mare and he himself became a horse. The Vishnu and Lakshmi enjoyed. They did not give birth to a foal, but a human being was born to them. He was named Eka Veeran.

    Now let us take into consideration the truths said about the greatness of Devendiran, the king of the devas. Once the king Devendiran happened to see a lady named Parisadam, she was the dutiful wife of a rishi. He wanted to have intercourse with her. He said that he had a great love for her. She replied that she has neither love for Indiran nor could she betray her husband. Indiran was frustrated. He was determined to achieve his object. Some time later the rishi performed Aswamedha yaga wherein his wife Parisadam had to insert the penis of the horse into her womb, as a ritual. Indiran seized this as the best opportunity. He somehow entered inside the male organ of the horse and accomplished his long felt desire. Indiran spoilt Parisadam forcibly against her wishes.

    I have enlightened you with great restraint, the details regarding Brahma, Rishis, Devas and their king to enable you to learn something about them as is authoritatively stated in the Manu’s code.

    Courts warned: Today our high courts are giving judgments based on the Hindu law. As the justice is given to all taking into consideration mainly what the Manu law, rishis and devas have said sometime long ago, I am telling you all these things for deep consideration.

    So far as the Hindus are concerned, where there is a problem to be decided, the dharma sastras are seemed to be the main basic rock of determination. Of all, the Manu code is the most important one.

    The Privy Council has categorically stated about the Manu code thus: “However obsolete and out of date it might be judgment based on it are final”. Not only this, the Constitution of India is also laid down according to the Manu law.

    The very fact that the measures taken by the government of Tamil Nadu to enable all communities to do the job as priests in temples were nullified by the Supreme Court of India clearly demonstrated that the Manu’s law is still under the full sway. The Act passed by the elected representatives of the people in Tamil Nadu assembly has been set aside as derogatory and against Manu law

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Tajendar under a cover name,

    Go back to ur hell hole called Pakistan instead of wasting your time here, as nobody listens to u here. :D :D

    Even if u kill one jehadi a day … maybe Pakistan will improve a bit. GO … kill a jehadi skunk and u will be serving Allah ! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Inshah Allah!

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    :)

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Would like to share your grief on the loss of your son. I am sure it requires courage to carry on after such a tragedy happens.

    So whatever our political differences, I would admire you for this.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~~~~ :D :D :D ~~~ THE FUNNY PART OF LOK PAL ~~~~ :D :D :D

    Now that Anna Hazare and the people of India made the government bend, a lot of people are riding on the victory chariot !!

    Even Tehelka, which opposed everything said against the government and Congress. And note that all the news channels are claining that they played a part !!

    Of course the leftists are trying to find fault against Ramdev who was the guy who raised the battle guns first.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Vijay Kumar

    if possible for you , can you please make some highlights about why Anna spoke against Ramdev who happens to be another anti corruption crusader

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  • shan

    guys I can’t understand why there is so much hoo ha about this lokpal bill. In india there is no shortage of regulations , infact india is over regulated. HAVING LAWS IS ONE THING IMPLENTING THEM IS ANOTHER. When did you last hear CBI send anybody to jail , from quotrrocchi to win chaddha to hindujas to nanda(grandson of vice admiral) and Ambani and Lalu and mulayam , the geonkas the list goes on. They all have or will die a natural death in their bed at home.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    you spoke my mind. India has a complicated net of laws and regulations ( some of them insignificant and useless ) , but they are not implemented is another problem.

    Lokpal Bill can definitely be a useful one if the public representatives in the committee are not under Congressi influence

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  • syed

    The salient point of difference the Jan Lokpal bill proposes to do is to make the institution of the Lokpal independent of the govt.
    Thus is unlike the police/CBI etc. which are directly under govt influence.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Mr Vinod Sharma
    It is sad to know that you lost your son some time ago. We can understand the trauma you have gone thru. God shall give you and your family the courage to bear with this sorrow.
    Coming to Mr Shanti Bhushan and his son Prashant ( incidentally Prashant and I were together during graduation , in the Allahabad Univ.) , I think it was quite needless to have both. One could have given his contribution to the other to have the benefit of both. The vacancy could have gone to Kiran Bedi who also could have contributed considerably being a former police officer.
    As for the controversy regarding Baba Ramdev , I think sections of the political class and the media opposed to this development shall spare no effort to stir up such controversies in times to come. The vested interests in corruption are too deep rooted and too powerful and will do their best to derail the process ..

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Paritosh and others

    Nobody, not even Anna Hazare, probably expected the issue of Lokpal to become an avalanche so quickly !!

    It really was a movement against corruption startd by Ramdev two years back which suddenly took on momentum after the 2G scam when even “respected’ journalists were caught with their bum exposed. Whom do we trust then, was the issue which was eating into the minds of the public.

    SO the day Anna Hazare– who really was no at the forefront initially– went on a hunger strike, it struck a chord with 1.2 billion Indians minus the politicians who take the kickbacks. Egged on by TV channels and a media playing both ways the pebble had become an avalanche and the result happened because the government was scared of a Tahrir square happening in India… :)

    But…

    In the end everyone is a bit bewildered!! Including Anna Hazare. Ramdev probably feels let down that the plank has been appropriated by Shanti and Prashant Bhushan, who were minor players and held no public rallies against corruption. He is right that it was really him who was the major fighter against corruption for two years.

    A scared Congress wants to take the credti also but is also scared that a powerful Lokpal may want to check the fingerprints on the currency notes of Satish Sharma and Uncle Q !!! :D :D :D
    It is scared that Hazare may use the goodwill of the Lokpal to back Modi, Nitish Kumar or even Ramdev…

    Lalu, Amar Singh, Mulayam, Mayawati and Gowda etc are scared that they will not be able to use their fake ” secular’ credentials to hide their corruption. Will not be able to take hundreds of crores from land deals by saying “we are secular and for the weaker sections so we should be allowed to take kickbacks’ … :D :D

    But it is rally us the public whihc should get the credit !! let us be vigilant thru whatever forum we have– to ensure that a good set of people sit on the high chair.

    And this appointee should not be like a CBI director who helps culprits like Uncle Q escape… :D

    That is the next big fight…

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Praveen Saxena, Paritosh, Saarthak, Rajeev,

    do not become despondant, do not lose heart. Anna Hazare and co will only take care of the Lok Pal bill-its drafting, its passing through various stages till it culminates into a law.

    It doesn’t, however, mean that the BJP and the rest of India will hold its breath and wait. No. We will continue our fight against all the scams that have come out and the others that haven’t seen the light of the day yet. The Rajas, Kalmadis, Radia-friends, all will get their due deserts, Inshah Allah!

    Let us, therefore, not lose our sleep over whether there is nepotism, whether Ramdev will sabotage Anna or vice versa.

    In my opinion, there is no harm in both the Bhushans working in tandem on the committee, because their mandate is limited, whereas Ramdev and other social reformers and crusaders will, in any case, not rest till scamsters, including their advocates like Kapil Sibal, are firmly lodged in the Tihar karaghar. We will also prod these leaders to go after the foreign money hoarders like Sonia Gandhi, Hasan Ali etc.

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  • Dr Mishra, UK

    Dear Usman
    Dont know if you saw a question, I had posed to you earlier- pl scroll above. Would be nice to know your own thoughts on this subject.
    Also keen to know if Anna Hazare has featured in Pakistani minds and media.

    @others, does anyone know if Lokpal bill has any special means to catch corrupt army officers ie, prevent them from undergoing a court martial which may be a brushing ubder the carpet exercise, or whether the army personnel can be dragged to the lokpal’s court. I ask because over the next 10 years India will be the world’s biggest importer of arms !!

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    Dear Vinod, Is it not in your power to block certain people from your article, ie by their email address or their IP number ?

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    usman chaudhry Reply:

    Dearest Dr Mishra,

    Please accept my apology for not showing up early because of some personal commitments and had very little time to get back to you.

    Sir it’s a mixture of so many elements. Even though Islam was a subject matter right at inception but what makes it surface (more) within last 5-10 yrs is due to geo-political situation surrounding Pakistan and it is in this chaotic situation a belief is made that religion is the only tool to defend oneself. For instance one section of society believes that “US led war against terrorism” is “US led war against Islam”. This has given rise to increase in jihadi element and inspired anti-American sentiments in society. Even internal incidents such as that of Aasia bibi case, sections of society perceive it as foreign pressure to eradicate blasphemy law from constitution. So it’s a mixture of lack of exposure and knowledge about social and international affairs that has taken shape. So oppose everything which is non-Islamic.

    Like Mr Agent has given explanation about perceived cultural values of east and west I asked my father once about the same birthday issue. Why is it looked down upon? In his reply he explained to me; with every passing day we approach more nearer to death so if every passing day one leaf of the tree falls down is it wise to make marry about it? I replied no but it’s just the matter of how you look at things differently. To me it is full of opportunities making sure by next birthday we have achieved something in life. To which he replied what is the guarantee! you will live another day or more? I answered “hope”.
    To me it has nothing to do with Islamic cultural values and shouldn’t be all about Islamic and non-Islamic celebrations.

    As for Meher she has a peculiar style of bashing things let it be any issue/debate. Even in her interview with secretary Hillary Clinton she along with others were questioning KBL assistance in comparison to what US spends in a week inside Afghanistan. Drawing comparison to help Pakistan in investments rather than such pennies. So, it’s just her way of asking questions in a bossy way. If it is all about being Islamic then perhaps she should first mold herself to Islamic way of living rather than defending blasphemy law.

    Not much about Anna Hazare, the gandhian follower didn’t make much news in Pakistani news channel in his fight against corruption. Rather a source of inspiration for us to have one of a kind to oppose corruption charges against politicians.

    It gives me immense pleasure that you sought my opinion I do wish we’ll compare and share notes likewise in future.

    Thanks,
    Usman

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    Dr Mishra, UK Reply:

    thank u Uaman, just read it because Vinay on the latest blog alerted me to it. In future pl post your reply at the bottom of the blog, or in the new one.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Kapil Sibal has started his work in real earnest. He has started sabotaging the Committee even before it has started functioning. He had earlier given a clean chit to the the culprits of 2G scam , that there was no financial loss to the country. Now he has done it again.

    The PM of India had earlier lamented and cried before the country on TV that he was unable to do anything about the scams and loot of public money under his nose due to ” complulsions of coalition politics”.
    But what are his compulsions now that he chose to partner and ally with the same people again. He had no hesitation in sharing the platform and asking for votes along with the same people.
    When will the Congress party end its prevarications.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Praveen

    ~~~~ :D :D :D ~~ WHAT IS KAPIL SIBAL DOING ???????????? ~~~~ :D :D :D ~~~~~

    Basically Kapil is trying to re-assure Congressis and other corrupt politicians that they will try to get a Buta Singh or a H R Bhardawaj sort of guy as the Lol Pal so that no harm will come to the Congress interests as well as Mr Q and MR S. S ( Satish Sharma’s) :D :D

    Lage raho Kapil Bhai….

    Jab Tak Congress ka game rahega…

    Chor, Kaatil, Goonda bach kar rahega ! :D

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  • Vijay Kumar

    ~ ~~ :D :D :D ~~~ JOKE OF THE DAY ~~~~ :D :D :D ~~~

    IF we make a bollywood film on the scams… who would have been the best actor to play Mr Q ???

    Would it be Shakti Kapoor wearing a blonde wig OR veteran actor Ajit (now dead) wearing a blonde wig??

    The right answer will get you 15% of the Bofors kickbacks !! :D

    Let us all vote ///// !

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    My vote will go to Amrish Puri, who with a blond wig, will say to another blond wigged lady-”Quottrombo khush hua!”

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy

    :) aapko jawaab sun kar Vijay khush hua ! :)

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  • Kushal

    Oh I agree, Parvana. Our cities don’t let them live. The friend who posted the pictures of the birds also photographs birds from his balcony in Calcutta. But he lives in a quieter part of town and sees birds I have never seen in central Cal where I lived.

    There are fruit bats in the trees on Mahim Causeway, they’re like eagles! I’d like to see my grouchy coconut tree kite try to tick THEM off!

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  • Kushal

    Pigeons SUCK, Masha. Disgusting critters.

    Do you ever cross the creek into Bombay?

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  • Kushal

    Well, if you ever feel the need to discuss birds and bats, you could mail me at kushalgulab@hindustantimes.com, Masha.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Those who can afford cars and bikes can afford to shell out some more dough for the gas – and they do not protest much. Petrol prices or the rate of rupee do not directly affect the lower middle classes and the poor – so they don’t care. Mostly they get more dumb-founded than anything else to react at another petrol price hike – may be if the price of onions rise up, then the people would react.

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  • singhisking

    True…because both r useless!!

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  • vijay kumar

    I wish Zia had written an article on how ALL minorities ranked the two Presidential candidates.

    To talk about only Muslims would be to promote a mindset which has kept them behind in India. The next logical step in this sort of argument wold be to talk about which candidate would support a separate personal law.

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  • engrich